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Monday, October 9th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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ciphernemo:

sorry about that

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ciphernemo:

defi__3x: what does a #cat for ati show of your xorg.conf file?

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defi__3x:

ciphernemo, hold on

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Paladine:

ok here is an interesting question

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Paladine:

do I need a sound card to rip dvds or is a sound card only needed for playback?

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Paladine:

I am trying to figure out the most important stuff for my new system

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Paladine:

which will be used primarily for ripping our dvdcollection to mpeg4 for mythvideo

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defi__3x:

ciphernemo, man that took forever to post heres the output: http://pastebin.com/802917

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defi__3x:

Paladine, only needed for playback

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defi__3x:

You doing exactly what I did

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ciphernemo:

pastebin has been hosed for a while on performance... might want to use an alternative like http://rafb.net/paste/

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defi__3x:

Paladine, I installedfrontends on all my pcs just so I could rip 2–3 at a time

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Paladine:

my serverboard doesn't have onboard sound you see, so I was thinking soundcard or ram

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Paladine:

if I don't need a sound card for transcoding from dvd to mpeg4 then I will get more RAM

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defi__3x:

Paladine, is this for your backend

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Paladine:

no

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Paladine:

just for my workhorse

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Paladine:

my backend is on my main machine

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ciphernemo:

I assume I need to have ivtv installed for Hauppage cards with MythTV 0.20?

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Kelerion:

ciphernemo, yes

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ciphernemo:

Kelerion: thx!

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defi__3x:

ok heres the exact error i get: Xlib: unexpected async reply

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defi__3x:

It seems it was a problem back in .18 but I'm running .20 and still getting it

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defi__3x:

thing is that in .19 I didn't get it

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jblack:

Hmmm. The wii is going to have 802.11 and will have some way to plop a linux kernel on the machine.

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jblack:

Mythtv on every tv for $250 a tv. :)

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GreyFoxx:

I do it for less than $20 a tv now :)

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Honk^away:

that's cheap

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jblack:

How's that?

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jblack:

That's less than the price of 150' of coax cable.

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GreyFoxx:

jblack: MSNTV2 stb boxes hacked to run linux, netbooting and running X/mythtv

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GreyFoxx:

get then on ebay for $20

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GreyFoxx:

I got 3 for $29US there

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jblack:

How are they reaching the backend boxes?

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GreyFoxx:

10/100meg ethernet

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GreyFoxx:

2 usb2 ports, svideo, composite,etc

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jblack:

hmmm.

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GreyFoxx:

733mhz celeron processor with 128 meg of ram, basically the same guts as an xbox but withtwice the ram

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jblack:

Not really practical in this house, but practical for a lot of them.

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Honk^away:

with passive cooling?

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GreyFoxx:

and as of a week ago a simple hack to put a vga connector on and install a full bios so you can boot anything

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GreyFoxx:

Honk^away: Yup, no moving parts

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Honk^away:

that's neat

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Honk^away:

send one or two to me =)

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GreyFoxx:

http://pics.phaze.org/?album=albums/2006/03-05-MSNTV-MythTV&

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jblack:

I'd buy two off of you for $100 a piece if you can get them working over 802.11 and they come with remotes.

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oogle:

pretttttttttty nice.

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oogle:

lol

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jblack:

Hmmm. I see a cf card in there.

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GreyFoxx:

jblack: It's got usb2, use a usb wireless

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jblack:

That there you keeping the filesystem?

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GreyFoxx:

jblack, nope I keep a kernel on there and it nfs mounts the file system

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GreyFoxx:

those particular cards are 64meg, but you can put in larger

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GreyFoxx:

There is a working IDE set too,m but you have to solder on a header if you want that

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GreyFoxx:

jblack: But some use a minimal FS on the Cf card. I prefer nfsrooting it

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jblack:

The attractive part of the wii thing is that its potentially possible to just throw a livecd in, hook it up to the tv, and it all works automatically. No soldering, no netbooting, no cabling. Get a backend machine running and just go.

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Honk^away:

who'd want a hd in a frontend? =)

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defi__3x:

If I auto start x using GDM my fonts are a readable size, but if I just use 'startx' they are tiny; any ideas?

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oogle:

People who want it to be a standalone

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GreyFoxx:

hoonk: *shrug* some do

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oogle:

like meeeeeee

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GreyFoxx:

jblack: If you use the new hack using afull bios you don't need to physically modify it, and you can cd/dvd boot off ausb drive

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GreyFoxx:

and seriously, for the difference in price it's hardly an inconvienience

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jblack:

That's getting closer to just popping in a cd and going.

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GreyFoxx:

I've got 4 of these live around the house.

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GreyFoxx:

Another option is a S100, but they are easier to get if you are in Europe...and I think they have Wifi built in

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Honk^away:

s100?

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jblack:

I wonder if we could convince the dhcp guys to take hacks to broadcast mythtv vitals.

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GreyFoxx:

http://cgi.ebay.de/T-Online-S100-Streaming-Bo . . . cmdZViewItem

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GreyFoxx:

jblack: You can do it yourself

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jblack:

Such as where the backend lives, what to mount from the nfs server...

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GreyFoxx:

jblack: Honestly that's simple to do

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Honk^away:

do those thingies run linux too?

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GreyFoxx:

Honk^away: Yup

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Honk^away:

omg

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Honk^away:

that sounds like fun

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GreyFoxx:

similar guts to the msntv2

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GreyFoxx:

jblack: You can easily add that to your dhcp stuff

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GreyFoxx:

You can define your own dhcp options/types in the config file

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jblack:

I didn't know that. That's nice to know

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GreyFoxx:

yup,pretty simple

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GreyFoxx:

then you just gotta udpate the dhcp client to act on those parameters

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GreyFoxx:

depending on what you use you can just use a script for that

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jblack:

yeah. I see there's a dhclient-enter-hooks.d

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GreyFoxx:

I Imagine eventually the frontends with have their own way to do that

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GreyFoxx:

maybe over upnp or something else

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defi__3x:

these fonts are killing me

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defi__3x:

the OSD are tiny, the main menus are a good size, the browsing mode window is ok, and anything beyond that is tiny; this dosen't make sense

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jonK:

hi

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jonK:

anyone know of a legend for colors used in a terminal window?

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jonK:

e.g., blue for directories, green for executables ...

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jblack:

jonk: traditionally /etc/DIRCOLORS

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jblack:

jonk: There's no fast rule for that though. ls gets its colors from the environment (there's more on the man page)

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gnychis:

i am trying to watch livetv, but keep getting "the server uses network protocol version 26, but this client only understands version 31..." any ideas?

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jonK:

sadly, no such file

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gnychis:

i use gentoo, and emerge mythtv

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jonK:

gnychis yes, upgrade the version of mythtv used by your server

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jonK:

jblack: man page for?

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GreyFoxx:

gnychis: You can't intermix versions. Your frontend is running the latest 0.20-fixes and your backend is likely running 0.19

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gnychis:

jonK: they're both on the same machine, so i don't understand how updating one could not update the other when its all contained in one gentoo package

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jonK:

dircolors — found it

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GreyFoxx:

gnychis: did you restart both processes after installing the new one ?

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GreyFoxx:

And it's easy to install them in two different locations and end up with different versions running

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jonK:

still, i'd just like to find an image of color, attribute pairs

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SkaFreak:

Hey everyone, I seem to be having some database issues. When I try to run "mythtv-setup" I get a stream of errors related to not being able to connect to the database, but running " mysql mythconverg -h Deep-Thought -u mythtv -p<password>" connects just fine

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SkaFreak:

and once in with that "show databases;" shows mythconverg

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gnychis:

GreyFoxx: ahhh, thats probably it

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GreyFoxx:

SkaFreak: Your mysql.txt likely has the wrong info

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SkaFreak:

the one in my home directory or the one in /etc/mythtv?

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GreyFoxx:

the one in your home directory overrides the one anywhere else

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SkaFreak:

ok

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gnychis:

GreyFoxx: awesome, i just needed to restart the backup after an update... thank you!

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jonK:

gnychis: nice!

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SkaFreak:

hmm...everything there looks right except possibly DBType, and that's only because I don't know anything about it

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GreyFoxx:

put it's contents into pastebin.ca

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jonK:

greyfoxx, do you have a momemt to help me with a couple patches?

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GreyFoxx:

define "

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GreyFoxx:

define "help me"

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SkaFreak:

were you talking to me about the pastebin.ca

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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jonK:

the readme for ivtv 0.8.0 indicates that a patch should be applied when building on amd64

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GreyFoxx:

I don't use amd64 nor ivtv 0.8 :)

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jonK:

the patch itself is in the misc directory of the ivtv files, called myth20.diff

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SkaFreak:

no clue what pastebin.ca is, nor do I have it on my system

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jonK:

but i haven't used a diff file in years

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GreyFoxx:

SkaFreak: It's a website where users wanting to show us more than 1 or 2 lines of info paste stuff and then give us the generated url so we can see it without flooding the channel

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SkaFreak:

ah, ok

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SkaFreak:

google time

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jonK:

same thing with lirc — wont compile on 2.6.18 witout a patch

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GreyFoxx:

jonK: generally patch -p0 < /path/2/patch from the root of the source

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GreyFoxx:

but the -pX varies based on the patch

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SkaFreak:

wow, connection is really slow tonight

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jonK:

two questions: how to decide the patch level to use, and from what directory should i be in

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jonK:

to issue the patch command

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GreyFoxx:

jonK: Look at the first line of the patch and place yourself in whatever directory has that path below it

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jonK:

kind of what I figured --

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jonK:

I'm sad, I had a system with everything finally working just right — screwed it up adding drives.

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SkaFreak:

hmm...I hate the schools network. I can't get to pastebin.ca, it's been trying to load for about 2 minutes now

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GreyFoxx:

try pastebin.com

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GreyFoxx:

we usually use .ca as it tends to be much faster

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SkaFreak:

ah yes, there we go

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SkaFreak:

you want everything from the .txt, or just what's not commented out?

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GreyFoxx:

everything is fine

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defi__3x:

Im running myth on a RPTV and when I switch my inputs from HDMI(myth) to my antenna and then back, the HDMI(myth) input is black, I guess its losing video sync but how do I force it to sync

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fryfrog:

I have a scheduling question: Is there a way to do something like "Record any showing of <show> in HD"?

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fryfrog:

ie, i have HD from firewire cable box *and* HD from air2pc

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fryfrog:

I'd like to record L&O on like nbc, but it *also* plays on TNT

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fryfrog:

hd

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GreyFoxx:

A a "record this show at anytime on this channel" rule

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SkaFreak:

http://pastebin.com/802953

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fryfrog:

right, but I also have "TNT" (not in HD) and NBC (again, not in HD)

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fryfrog:

or... when you select an "HD" show, it is different from non-hd shows?

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fryfrog:

guess i can find out :)

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GreyFoxx:

the channel names are normally different

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GreyFoxx:

at least in my area they are

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fryfrog:

right, but you pick "any channel

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fryfrog:

GreyFoxx: here is the problem

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GreyFoxx:

NBC is one channel, and NBCHD is another

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fryfrog:

My cable box sends me NBCHD as channel 813. My airpc card sends me NBC HD via say, 11_1

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fryfrog:

two different inputs, 2 different channel line ups via data direct

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fryfrog:

make sens?

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fryfrog:

sense?

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GreyFoxx:

They would be seen as the same channel If the callsign is the same

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fryfrog:

ohhhhh

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fryfrog:

okay, i can make the callsign match!

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jonK:

hmmm.... patch runs, but fails for 1 of 1 chunk

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fryfrog:

what does it say?

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fryfrog:

unable to find file to patch or?

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jonK:

finds the file, but "saving rejects to file" ... message

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fryfrog:

open that file

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fryfrog:

see why it failed

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fryfrog:

could be the patch is already applied

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jonK:

i was just trying to datestamp the patch to see if that might be it

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fryfrog:

any idea where schedules are stored in the db?

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fryfrog:

i want to re-do them all, but nuking them one at a time is lame :p

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GreyFoxx:

fryfrog: "record" table

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

is it safe to just remove rows?

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GreyFoxx:

then you might wanna restart the backend

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fryfrog:

ie, there isn't any place else tied to it?

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fryfrog:

i see

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fryfrog:

but if i do it via mytweb, no restart required?

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GreyFoxx:

no

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GreyFoxx:

well,the restart is to force a reschedule

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fryfrog:

oh well, i'm almost done via mythweb anyway

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GreyFoxx:

but mythweb does that via the mythprotocol

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SkaFreak:

GreyFoxx, you got my link to the pastebin up there right?

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fryfrog:

ah, i see

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fryfrog:

so i *could* probably delete all but one

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fryfrog:

then delete the last via mythweb

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fryfrog:

bang, forced reschedule

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jonK:

GreyFoxx: are you sure, whats in the "program" table then?

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GreyFoxx:

jonK: programlistings

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GreyFoxx:

And yes, I'm sure :)

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GreyFoxx:

SkaFreak: IT'sloading slowly. Still waiting heh

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SkaFreak:

alright, just making sure, heh

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jonK:

ah – we're ascribing different meanings for "schedules"

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jonK:

I'm thinking "scheuldes" as tv listings

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fryfrog:

GreyFoxx: that didn't work :(

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fryfrog:

GreyFoxx: well, it did

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fryfrog:

but it didn't :(

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fryfrog:

I guess i'll just setup 2 schedulings for law&o

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fryfrog:

I wish there was a "record any showing on any channel *in hd*"

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GreyFoxx:

what exactly didn't work

[02:15:29]

fryfrog:

Well, I get TNT, TNTHD, NBC, NBCHD

[02:15:42]

fryfrog:

so it wanted to record L&O from TNT (low def)

[02:15:51]

fryfrog:

guess i could just *remove* TNT non-had

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GreyFoxx:

what was the exact rule you added

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fryfrog:

okay, i'm going to mythweb

[02:16:26]

fryfrog:

searching for "HD shows"

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fryfrog:

click on "L&O" (the first showing it find(

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fryfrog:

Record at any time on any channel.

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GreyFoxx:

That's not what I suggested you do

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fryfrog:

Since L&O plays on TNTHD *and* NBCHD

[02:17:08]

fryfrog:

okay, so how would you catch L&O showing on 2 channels?

[02:17:13]

fryfrog:

different channels

[02:17:21]

fryfrog:

setup *two* schedules, each for the specific chan?

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GreyFoxx:

make two rules.

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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fryfrog:

k

[02:17:28]

fryfrog:

that'll do

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GreyFoxx:

myth will only record one of them

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fryfrog:

k

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fryfrog:

I wonder what will happen if I setup 2 rules for 2 channels for "Heroes" :/

[02:21:15]

seth|laptop:

anyone here using a myth slave backend?

[02:21:32]

fryfrog:

Oh sweet, the thing cought it

[02:21:34]

fryfrog:

though...

[02:21:39]

GreyFoxx:

fryfrog: Whatis there to wonder? It will record one of them

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GreyFoxx:

seth|laptop: Yup

[02:22:03]

fryfrog:

humm, it seems to have set the channels to the same value

[02:22:12]

fryfrog:

this is going to be wierd :/

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seth|laptop:

GreyFoxx, is there a way to have the slave record tv and store it locally?

[02:22:43]

ShockValue:

anyone have expperience with i810 and overscan?

[02:23:04]

ShockValue:

im trying to use the nvtv software right now, but it seems like no matter what commands i give it, it just makes my TV go out of sync

[02:23:06]

GreyFoxx:

seth|laptop:That's what it does

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ShockValue:

can i just use a modeline or something to get overscan?

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seth|laptop:

so i created a link on the slave, master:/myth/tv /mnt/tv, and if i change the slave to record to /mnt/tv, will it store on the master instead?

[02:25:13]

GreyFoxx:

seth|laptop: well .. yeah

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fryfrog:

a link or an nfs mount?

[02:25:51]

fryfrog:

instead of changing where it points...

[02:26:04]

fryfrog:

just copy the files to your nfs share and mount it right where you told myth to look

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seth|laptop:

that is what I thought. What I have is a front/master back dual HD in the family room, and a front/slave backend that does my SD (dish network) in the office. so I have a choice, I can either store the SD content on the slave, or the master – correct?

[02:27:02]

seth|laptop:

a link to an nfs mount

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fryfrog:

yeah, and either way it doesn't matter from a functional view

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fryfrog:

ie, the fe will stream it from the right place

[02:27:19]

fryfrog:

but if one BE has a ton of space and the other doesn't...

[02:27:32]

fryfrog:

you want to record to the one with lots of space

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seth|laptop:

right the database just knows where to pull the recording from, be it master or slave – correct?

[02:27:39]

fryfrog:

ie, my system is setup as...

[02:27:43]

fryfrog:

right

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fryfrog:

well, in both cases the "slave" still sees it as local anyway

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seth|laptop:

right

[02:28:03]

fryfrog:

on my master BE, i have /mnt/raid5/mythtv/recordings

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GreyFoxx:

AND if the frontend can reach the file directly from the FS it wont mater as it will read it from there

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fryfrog:

on my slave BE *that* dir is mounted in /mythtv/recordings

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fryfrog:

so my slave BE's recordings dir is "/mythtv/recordings"

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fryfrog:

you don't need any links

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fryfrog:

just *mount* your nfs share right where you want

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fryfrog:

the /mnt/ dir isn't a forced thing :)

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GreyFoxx:

/data/mythtv on all my machines :)

[02:30:06]

fryfrog:

ah

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seth|laptop:

ok so this brings up another question. the MBE has the most storage, so I have my dvd backups there, the SBE has my tunes on it. I can create a link to the video folder on the SBE, and create another for the audio to the SBE, or will the DB just know where the appropriate files are?

[02:30:27]

GreyFoxx:

/data/pics /data/mp3 /data/mythtv /data/emu etc etc

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fryfrog:

that does pose some problems

[02:30:48]

fryfrog:

afaik, the "video" module is on a site wide basis

[02:30:53]

fryfrog:

not a per front end setting

[02:31:16]

fryfrog:

my master be path to videos is different from slave, when i fire up mythvideo on the slave it says "zomg, that isn't right" and re-scans :(

[02:31:26]

fryfrog:

so your *best* bet is to have the same FS layout on all servers

[02:31:31]

fryfrog:

ie, /mythtv/recordings

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fryfrog:

on everything

[02:31:40]

fryfrog:

and /mythtv/video

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fryfrog:

it can be a symlink *or* a mount, which ever you like

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seth|laptop:

ok

[02:32:01]

fryfrog:

ie, on my master it is a symlink because that is convenient

[02:32:10]

fryfrog:

on my slave be, it is simply mounted there via nfs

[02:32:23]

fryfrog:

does your slave have a significant amount of space?

[02:32:28]

fryfrog:

any reason not to consolidate it all?

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seth|laptop:

well right now the slave is recording, and putting the file on the master. So after it is finished, I can just change it back to store tv on the slave, by changing /mnt/tv to /myth/tv

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fryfrog:

why would you want to swap around?

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seth|laptop:

well the master has 350GB and it is the dual tuner HD and the videos the slave only has 43GB and contaiins the SD(Dish network) and my tunes.

[02:34:22]

seth|laptop:

I suppose i could put it all on the master, but then I have 43gb of wasted space on the slave :-)

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fryfrog:

ahhhh, i see

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fryfrog:

so it is a space issue

[02:35:36]

fryfrog:

the if i were you, i'd just store the SD on the slave and the HD on the master

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metalac:

hey anyone knows why i would get freezes on PVR150 every hour and half hour?

[02:35:41]

fryfrog:

don't fuck with nfs mounts

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fryfrog:

let the slave be stream to the fe, etc

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fryfrog:

metalac: from recorded shows or livetv?

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metalac:

fryfrog: livetv

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metalac:

it's really strange, i timed it it's on the money :)

[02:36:18]

fryfrog:

do you have a channel line up / data listing working?

[02:36:22]

fryfrog:

i bet you don't

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seth|laptop:

thanks for the input, I appreciate it, tis IRC rocks, helped me out with 40% of my current layout. You guys are the best, heh

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metalac:

yeah everything is working fine

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fryfrog:

so you *do* have program data in your listing?

[02:36:40]

metalac:

yep

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fryfrog:

humm

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fryfrog:

afaik, livetv now stores recordings

[02:36:55]

fryfrog:

are the shows you are watching 30min long?

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fryfrog:

i *think* while you watch live tv, it splits them apart

[02:37:16]

fryfrog:

so if at the half hour mark, it'll swtich to a new recording

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metalac:

well it happens in both 30min long ones and hour long ones

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fryfrog:

is it on the hour and half hour?

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metalac:

yeah it's on half hour and hour

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fryfrog:

or is it just after you watch for 30min ?

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fryfrog:

i see

[02:37:47]

fryfrog:

how long is the pause?

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fryfrog:

also, did you *just* setup your mythbox?

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SkaFreak:

GreyFoxx, if you're still there I don't think you'll need that pastebin, I think I got closer to the root of the problem

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SkaFreak:

I think it is sql issues

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fryfrog:

also, aparantly Comcast recently added "MTVHD"

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SkaFreak:

QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded

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word:

google it then go to #mysql

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SkaFreak:

word, I was just letting others who were helping me know that I had traced it down closer

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SkaFreak:

was about to do that, just saving others effort

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word:

traced 'it' ? the price i pay for coming in in the middle of a convo :P

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SkaFreak:

the issue that I was having when trying to start mythtv-setup

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SkaFreak:

with tons of error messags about issues connecting to mysql

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SkaFreak:

but I was able to login manually using the same info

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word:

did you check your mysql.txt (s)

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GreyFoxx:

SkaFreak: Did you updateyour version of mysql by chance ?

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word:

there are several

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GreyFoxx:

And FYI that mysql.txt is looking to localhost, but your pasted mysql line was using a hostname of "Deep-Thought"

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Gumby:

SkaFreak: do you have your distros qt-mysql package installed?

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metalac:

fryfrog: my pause is permament

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metalac:

it's a total freeze

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metalac:

i mean not of the system but of LiveTV, i have to go back to the menu and restart it again

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SkaFreak:

GreyFoxx, I was having issues with my first attempt at mythtv (it would work for a bit and then end up dieing) so I uninstalled mythtv, qt-3.3.6-r1, and mysql and started from scratch reinstalling them

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SkaFreak:

they all should have mysql support

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SkaFreak:

I will double check though

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GreyFoxx:

look for libqsqlmysql.so under whereever you have QT installed

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GreyFoxx:

Plus make sure that whatever mysql version you are running is the same versions that the QT was compiled against

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GreyFoxx:

cause if it was compiled against mysql 4.1.xand then you update mysql to 5.x then Qt would require to be recompiledagainst the new mysqlk

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SkaFreak:

ok, it is in my /lib64 dir

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SkaFreak:

but the latter might be my issue

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SkaFreak:

I don't know much about inner workings, I do know I have qt-3.3.6-r1 compiled as a result of following the gentoo mythtv howto and I have qt-4.1.4 from other packages

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SkaFreak:

and I'm not sure if there's something I need to do to tell mysql to use the qt-3.3*

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ciphernemo:

Any reason why my livetv shows a channel and sporadically flashes an image of that channel superimposed and offset from the original picture? I'm using 0.20 with ivtv 0.4.7 on a PVR-500. ivtv captures fine and mplayer plays it back without problems.

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SkaFreak:

but both the 3.3.6-r1 and the 4.1.4 are complied with mysql support

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SkaFreak:

and then I have mysql-5.0.24-r1

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GreyFoxx:

I assume you didn't update mysql after compiling whichever QT version is being loaded ?

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fryfrog:

damnit, mythbusters isn't on discovery hd

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SkaFreak:

I have updated qt-3.3.6-r1 since I have updated mysql

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SkaFreak:

or rather, recompiled

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ciphernemo:

Any reason why my livetv shows a channel and sporadically flashes an image of that channel superimposed and offset from the original picture? (as if the v-zync on a tv set was a bit off) I'm using 0.20 with ivtv 0.4.7 on a PVR-500. ivtv captures fine and mplayer plays it back without problems.

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ShockValue:

is 3306 the only port that needs to be open for mysql communication?

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defi__3x:

ok heres what I've found out tonight.

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defi__3x:

When using the ATI drivers and loading GLX i have problems showing the OSD, it will display 2 times and on the third time it fails to load and and wont stop playing livetv

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defi__3x:

restarting X without the GLX module alleviates the problem but you lose 3D acceleration

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defi__3x:

Thats it

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Cr0t:

I have a question... I have never used mythtv before, but I decided to give it a try, however I have to be able to ssh into that box and use mplayer to play a remote video (mpeg, xvid, svcd, ...) is that possible?

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mchou:

Cr0t: anything is possible. why not just put the videos on nfs or samba share?

[03:54:04]

mchou:

I mean why bother using ssh at all?

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Cr0t:

because i don't wana get up and walk over to that machine

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Cr0t:

all the movies are mounted via nfs

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mchou:

walk over??

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Cr0t:

but i wana control that box from my laptop

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mchou:

fo what?

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Cr0t:

to change the movie

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Kelerion:

thats why got invented remotes and lirc :)

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mchou:

huh??

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Kelerion:

god invented...even

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Cr0t:

i don't want a remote

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Cr0t:

well.. i do

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Cr0t:

that's my laptop

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mchou:

Cr0t: I think you're confused.

[03:55:18]

Cr0t:

no i am not

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Cr0t:

i am doing it right now

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GreyFoxx:

Cr0t: Use a remote, a wireless keyboard, vnc, or whatever

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mchou:

why would you need to change the movie?

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Cr0t:

GreyFoxx, nope

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Cr0t:

not a solution

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mchou:

I mean all they are are "files"

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mchou:

what's there to change?

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GreyFoxx:

Cr0t: You ARE talking about controlling myth right ?

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fryfrog:

RARZOR!

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Cr0t:

yes

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GreyFoxx:

Then how are they not solutions ?

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fryfrog:

firewire 0, fryfrog 1!

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Cr0t:

because right now i am using ssh

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mchou:

lol

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Cr0t:

i ssh into my moviemachine and start mplayer

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GreyFoxx:

You CAN also use the telnet interface but it's kinda cumbersome for for general navigation

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mchou:

there is no need to use ssh is the whole point

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GreyFoxx:

Cr0t: So this is about controlling mplayer and not mythtv ?

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fryfrog:

Cr0t: "export DISPLAY=localhost:0.0"

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fryfrog:

then "mplayer <blah blah>

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Cr0t:

i also have cabletv at my house, but i never botherd to plug it in, but i rebuilt my entire house and i decided to plug it in

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Cr0t:

fryfrog, that is what i am doing right now

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fryfrog:

you'll need to be logged into X and ssh as the same user

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mchou:

Cr0t: which part about runny mplayer locally on a remote file that's so foreign?

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Cr0t:

so I can ssh into myth and start mplayer

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mchou:

running*

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Cr0t:

nothing

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mchou:

huh??

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fryfrog:

what?

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Cr0t:

i just wanted to know if it is possible with myth

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fryfrog:

I'm totally confused

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mchou:

why ssh over myth at all?

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fryfrog:

Would you mind describing exactly what you want to accomplish?

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Cr0t:

because i don't want to get up and walk over to that machine

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fryfrog:

not *how*, but simply *what*

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mchou:

my uses the LOCAL copy of mplayer to play remote files

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Cr0t:

i want to control my movie machine over my laptop

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mchou:

huh??

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fryfrog:

doesn't mythtv accept a telnet connection and let you do stuff?

[03:58:53]

mchou:

who said you had to walk at all?

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GreyFoxx:

Cr0t: Then using vnc would do that which is what most use. Otherwise you can use the telnet interface

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fryfrog:

Cr0t: but the smartest method is to purchase a $10 remote and use it

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Cr0t:

i don't wana use vnc

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fryfrog:

Cr0t: my PVR250 came with a remote for free :)

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fryfrog:

Cr0t: then the telnet interface it is!

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GreyFoxx:

Cr0t: There were 2 sentences in my response

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Cr0t:

not intrested in a remote

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mchou:

there is no need for telnet or ssh in the case of myth

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Cr0t:

mchou, no need for you, but I need it

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fryfrog:

Cr0t: myth is meant to be hooked to a tv and used with a remote (or a pc and keyboard)

[04:00:12]

Kelerion:

Cr0t, myth can play your movies... you don't need mplayer

[04:00:16]

GreyFoxx:

Cr0t: Then you the telnet interface to the frontend to control it

[04:00:22]

mchou:

Cr0t: you havent explained why

[04:00:36]

Cr0t:

i know that myth can play my movies

[04:00:43]

Cr0t:

why? because I don't want to get up and walk over to my tv

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fryfrog:

Cr0t: so there isn't really much design thought given to people who want to control their box via edge cases

[04:00:48]

mchou:

you keep on saying walking over but there is no walking over neccessary

[04:00:50]

fryfrog:

TELNET

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Cr0t:

no ssh?

[04:01:03]

fryfrog:

mchou: he doesn't have or *want* a remote

[04:01:07]

GreyFoxx:

Jese christ

[04:01:12]

GreyFoxx:

Jesus even

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fryfrog:

no, its just a stupid little port listener waiting for commands, right?

[04:01:22]

fryfrog:

i've never used it, just heard and read about it

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mchou:

fryfrog: so fucking what?? he can control using laptop

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GreyFoxx:

Cr0t: You can telnet to the mythfrontend control port OVER SSH in you must

[04:01:35]

fryfrog:

who the fuck keeps their *laptop* handy and would rather use it instead of a remote?

[04:01:40]

GreyFoxx:

telnet localhost 6546

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Cr0t:

good – that is all i wanted to know

[04:01:43]

GreyFoxx:

then control it

[04:01:56]

Cr0t:

fryfrog, u should see my desk

[04:02:02]

Cr0t:

a wall of monitors

[04:02:03]

GreyFoxx:

but it's cumbersome to navigate that way imho

[04:02:07]

Cr0t:

and the TV all the way in the corner

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fryfrog:

why not turn your laptop *into* a myth fe?

[04:02:36]

LabMonkey:

ok now I'm really pissed off

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fryfrog:

you don't *have* to hook myth to a tv :)

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Cr0t:

because the laptop controls the entire multimedia stuff at home

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Cr0t:

music, movies, ...

[04:03:12]

Cr0t:

it is my remote controller for everything

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Cr0t:

including outside cameras and stuff

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fryfrog:

ah

[04:03:23]

fryfrog:

well, you got your fix

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fryfrog:

ssh into your myth box, telnet localhost

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fryfrog:

enjoy the... navigation :)

[04:03:35]

Cr0t:

good

[04:03:38]

Cr0t:

that is all i wanted to know

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Cr0t:

*BG*]

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GreyFoxx:

vnc is the simplest remote option

[04:03:43]

fryfrog:

maybe you *could* write a simple IR sender proggy

[04:03:49]

fryfrog:

oh, yeah or vnc :)

[04:03:51]

GreyFoxx:

otherwise the telnet interface

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Cr0t:

vnc is not a solution

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LabMonkey:

seriously I can't be the only goddamned person on Earth whose backend crashes randomly when backing out of watching a recording

[04:04:03]

Cr0t:

because it is soooooo big on your desk

[04:04:07]

Cr0t:

i just want a terminal running

[04:04:07]

GreyFoxx:

Cr0t: Why not? What's wrong it it?

[04:04:08]

Cr0t:

that's it

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GreyFoxx:

Cr0t: Uhhhh you can minimize it you know ?

[04:04:17]

fryfrog:

run your tv at 800x600?

[04:04:28]

fryfrog:

plus, with vnc you'd be sending video too

[04:04:30]

fryfrog:

well, perhaps

[04:04:31]

Cr0t:

fryfrog, why should i compromise?

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fryfrog:

it'd be slow

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Cr0t:

fryfrog, no need for it

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Cr0t:

ssh always works

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fryfrog:

okay, we can stop talking about it :)

[04:05:02]

GreyFoxx:

fryfrog: Uhhh, Accelerated video will NOT be sent over vnc

[04:05:09]

GreyFoxx:

just X11 drawn stuff

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Cr0t:

fryfrog, we should stopd

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fryfrog:

GreyFoxx: ah, that was the "well, perhaps" part :)

[04:05:22]

Cr0t:

GreyFoxx, but i don't want to see it on my laptop

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fryfrog:

anyway, i stopped caring :)

[04:05:31]

Cr0t:

i just want to kick out the start command

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Cr0t:

mplayer file.avi

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Cr0t:

that's it

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fryfrog:

oh, so what does that have to do with myth?

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GreyFoxx:

Cr0t: Why do you keep mentioning mplayer? Mplayer is not myth

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fryfrog:

just "DISPLAY=localhost:0.0 mplayer file.avi"

[04:05:55]

GreyFoxx:

If you are controlling mplayer then sure,ssh in

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Cr0t:

does myth use xine?

[04:06:07]

GreyFoxx:

No, myht uses myth

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fryfrog:

xine, mplayer or built in

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fryfrog:

which ever

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fryfrog:

depends on what you are talking about. dvds, videos, television

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GreyFoxx:

for non recorded content myth can use it's internal player OR call any external player

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Cr0t:

my external player will be any mounted nfs source over the network

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fryfrog:

what???

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fryfrog:

by "external player" he means "different program"

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Cr0t:

different source

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Cr0t:

let's say i share /movies on one machine

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Cr0t:

then i will mount it at the myth box

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Cr0t:

ssh into that box

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Cr0t:

and start mplayer video.avi

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fryfrog:

and run your mplayer command

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fryfrog:

great

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fryfrog:

i honestly don't wanna hear about it anymore :p

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GreyFoxx:

So whatdoes this have to do with myth if you are manually running mplayer ?

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Cr0t:

i don't want to talk about it anymore

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fryfrog:

shutup GreyFoxx :)

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GreyFoxx:

fryfrog: No, I'll shutup when I feel like it :)

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Cr0t:

jesus i had no idea that this would break out in such a big conversation

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fryfrog:

recording over firewire is going pretty well. i get some occasional artifacts though

[04:09:49]

fryfrog:

i wonder if increasing the "speed" from 100mbit -> 200mbit or 400mbit might help that?

[04:09:58]

GreyFoxx:

Cr0t: Welcome to the Internet :)

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fryfrog:

or perhaps no one awake now has done firewire :(

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Cr0t:

GreyFoxx, u should have said welcome to IRC

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fryfrog:

nah, the whole internet is like that :p

[04:10:35]

GreyFoxx:

Happens on webforumns and mailing lists too

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GreyFoxx:

IRC is just faster turn around :)

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fryfrog:

ahha

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Cr0t:

GreyFoxx, but also comes with a lot of BS

[04:11:15]

Cr0t:

everybody has an opion "why don't u do ... balbalbal'

[04:11:20]

Cr0t:

blablabla

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fryfrog:

blah blah blah!

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fryfrog:

The problem with opinions is that they are just like assholes, everyone has one :p

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GreyFoxx:

Cr0t: Well, like it or not, if you come into a "support" channel people often try and SAVE you from problems, which often means asking why you are imposing restrictions (like ssh only)

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GreyFoxx:

so Easier alternatives get offered

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fryfrog:

yeah, thats true

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fryfrog:

lots of people come in to support channels thinking they should do something one way

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GreyFoxx:

and since you are really talking about manually calling mplayer then it really has little to do with myth

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fryfrog:

*most* of the time, there is a better or easier way

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Cr0t:

perhaps, but I am having an idea and then suddenly i hear 'get a remote'

[04:12:50]

Cr0t:

why the fuck would i get a remote limited

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Cr0t:

with a keyboard u have so many more features

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fryfrog:

yeah, like a laptop sitting in your lap in front of the tv

[04:13:14]

GreyFoxx:

Cr0t: Cause most people doesn't realize they CAN use a remote and it fits exactly what they wanted

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fryfrog:

and a wife or girlfriend who can't use the damn entertainment system :)

[04:13:23]

Cr0t:

not on my laptop it is standing on the right

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Paladine:

man I better hope the missus doesn't pay too much attention to the next credit card bill

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fryfrog:

ahah

[04:13:43]

** Kelerion still has *no* idea how ssh and mplayer has *anything* to do with myth in this issue **

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Cr0t:

besides then i can control that box from anywhere

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Paladine:

cos I just bought myself 2GB ECC Registered RAM for my server box on it :)

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fryfrog:

wtf?

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fryfrog:

why?

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fryfrog:

for *mythtv*? or for a real server?

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Paladine:

for my server

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fryfrog:

You must have Opteron's or Xeons or something

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Paladine:

myth is on my desktop

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fryfrog:

ah

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Paladine:

dual athlon MPs in the server

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fryfrog:

registered ram isn't cheap, ecc just makes it worse :p

[04:15:07]

fryfrog:

how much is 2G of that stuff?

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Paladine:

got an amazing deal

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fryfrog:

2x 1G sticks?

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Paladine:

173 bucks for 2x1GB

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fryfrog:

wow, thats less than i thought

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LabMonkey:

heh

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fryfrog:

I would have guess ~$150–200 / stick

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Paladine:

would have cost me close to 10x that from a UK seller

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fryfrog:

ah

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LabMonkey:

4GB ECC registered in my server

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Paladine:

I figured for the 16 bucks shipping it was worth it

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LabMonkey:

and dual 2.8Ghz HT Xeons

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fryfrog:

i make sure to buy boards that don't use registered or ecc :p

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LabMonkey:

four threads, four gigs

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fryfrog:

course, i'm not actually serving anything *important* :)

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Paladine:

this was an emergency replacement board

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Paladine:

the server was stolen and when we recovered it the main board and cpu's had been blown

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Paladine:

and a bunch of kit had been taken out of the box

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LabMonkey:

stolen?

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fryfrog:

LabMonkey: my FE/slave BE next to the TV is a dual xeon 2.4 (w/ HT)

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fryfrog:

how the heck?

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Paladine:

so I had to get a replacement board and cpus

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fryfrog:

how do you steal a server?

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Paladine:

so gone down from dual 2800 Barton cores to dual 2200's

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fryfrog:

well, besides the obvious :p

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fryfrog:

damnit, time for bed

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fryfrog:

night

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LabMonkey:

later frog

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Paladine:

well its a long story, but I used to rent an office and to cut a long story short our business landlord was into some illegal shit and we cancelled out lease because ofit, so he stole out entire office

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Paladine:

all our stock and equipment

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Paladine:

about $250 000 USD worth of assets and stock

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fryfrog:

oh

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fryfrog:

shit

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fryfrog:

that sucks, did you report him to the police and all?

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fryfrog:

i'm irc'ing from bed... yeah :p

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Paladine:

yeah but it is a long process

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fryfrog:

ah

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Paladine:

taken 2 years so far and all we have back at the moment is that one server

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Paladine:

theproblem is he destroyed all our paperwork as well, including all our accounts and receipts/invoices etc

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LabMonkey:

[mpeg2video @ 0x2ba81b77fbd0]ac-tex damaged at 24 5

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LabMonkey:

[mpeg2video @ 0x2ba81b77fbd0]Warning MVs not available

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Paladine:

so it hasbeen very difficult to prove what he stole

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LabMonkey:

hmm

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LabMonkey:

could that be related to my backend crashing?

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GreyFoxx:

not likely

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Paladine:

Lab, I get that all the time, I have no idea what it is but it doesn't seem to effect anything

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Paladine:

that RAM was a good investment though, cos even if I sell the box 12 months down the road, I will still get at least 4x what I paid for that ram

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ShockValue:

well thats frickin neat.. change channel to 62, and it confuses the system so bad i have to power everything down including the cable boxes, backend, and frontends

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ShockValue:

and upon powering up the backend, the firewire cable boxes have changed nodes <sigh>

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regicide666:

I can not get firewire to work

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regicide666:

I have been able to capture some video but not with mythtv

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regicide666:

but myth will change the channel on the box no problem

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regicide666:

I don't get it

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ShockValue:

i can get it to work sometimes... i have to "watch livetv" like 4 times in a row sometimes for it to work though

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Ediehow:

i have mythtv on second monitor

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Ediehow:

and as soon as i move mouse over there, it goes black

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syn4pse:

I'm getting the fabulous 'can't load firmware v4l-cx2341x-init.mpg' error in /var/log/messages

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tjcarter:

syn4pse: turn up your log level and figure out where it's loading from

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ShockValue:

well, im shotgunning 2 nics together on a gigabit switch.. that should prove that bandwidth isnt an issue :)

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kraut:

that won't work

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Dagmar:

I only like rice crispies

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ShockValue:

what wont work?

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slide:

Is there anyway to set mythtv to only record new episodes and not reruns?

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slide:

oh wait hrm

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slide:

I set it to find and record 1 episode a week, and set it to only record new episodes, but it was showing every single aired episode in the Upcoming Recordings list so i thought it was gonna, turns out though it wont because they are reruns

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Dagmar:

slide: That will become important later when you delete stuff and it gives you the curious option "Yes, and allow re-record"

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Dagmar:

It'll always show potential recordings, even though it might not always make them

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slide:

Ok so I have 2 shows that come no at the same time, one of them however comes on 2 hours later as well, but id like to set it up to record both at the same time but since it cant just go ahead and get the second showing, this would be good incase the other show doesnt air so it would get the second show asap

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slide:

ah ok

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Dagmar:

It *should* be able to figure out it can record the second program later, but you can manually bump the priority of a recording up

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slide:

k lemmy see

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Dagmar:

When you're selecting programs in teh guide it'll usually say whether or not it is currently planning to record, and why

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slide:

hrm, i wonder why south park is not showing up as a new episode, it just has a generic title for this week

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Dagmar:

Because they love to leave out descriptions just whne it would be most annoying

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Dagmar:

it's for those times that you have the option to force it to record

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slide:

heh

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slide:

hrm, ok seems it cant figure out to record a later showing, at least for a forced showing

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slide:

Dagmar, do you have xvid encoding working?

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Dagmar:

What do you mean?

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Dagmar:

I have a PVR card

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Dagmar:

It records in mpeg, period.

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Dagmar:

I can *transcode* to xvid after the fact, but you can't record in xvid with the PVR-xxx cards

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Dagmar:

As to the recording, if you've scheduled it to consider recording the same show at different times, if it knows they're the same program, it might have the first one overridden by something else, but whne it hits the second one if there's no conflict, it will know there's no previous recording of it so it will get it the second time

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Dagmar:

It looked to me like it automatically priority -1's items that are of the "record this name at any old time" type

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slide:

hrm

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slide:

dagmar, yes i mean transcode it afterward to xvid so that it takes up less space

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slide:

I followed a tutorial that basically used a modified script that was supposed to transcode to ipod but it doesnt work

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slide:

ok ill try more options tomorrow, gotta sleep :)

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fish_:

re

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Juski:

morning

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Dibblah:

Yes, it is.

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Juski:

glad that's been cleared up....

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siXy:

is there any difference from a mythtv perspective between the gf 6xxx cards and the gf 7xxx series?

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siXy:

ie any video accelleration improvements/methods taht are present in one but not the other?

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Juski:

I only know that some newer cards don't have overlay support in current drivers whereas older ones do

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Juski:

and your mileage with XvMC may vary

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siXy:

ok. need a new gfx car (unless i can fix this one..) and debating between a 6300 and a 7300 g – both fanless ofc

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siXy:

yeah XvMC isnt worth in imo unless you have a low-end cpu

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Juski:

try searching the -users mailing list.. that might shed some light on the subject

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siXy:

too many tradeoffs unless you really need the speed

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siXy:

yeah good point i will do that

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Juski:

oh I dunno.. I managed to get the colour OSD working on my 800mhz box

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siXy:

i have a fairly quick cpu however, so im not convinced i will need it as hdtv is not yet availiable in my area

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Juski:

aye well when I get HD, not even XvMC can help (it's gonna be h.264 here by the look of it)

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siXy:

yeah... im wondering if better render acceleration could be implemented in the tv part...

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siXy:

mplayer with the right options uses a lot less cpu than the tv frontend

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Freman:

oh GOD does my dinner smell good

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Juski:

I dunno.. does it?

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Zider:

dinner always smells good :P

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Zider:

unless you burnt it

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Skaface:

mmm gnocci with burnt butter

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BULLE:

burnt butter, doesnt sound that great

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Skaface:

its actually pretty good

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BULLE:

wee, DHL just delivered my dvb-c card o/

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ivor:

hmm. I've updated apache and now mythweb is giving me:

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ivor:

[crit] (70023)This function has not been implemented on this platform: DBD: driver for not available

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ivor:

what am I missing.....

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Zider:

when do you get that?

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ivor:

when I try and use mythweb.

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Zider:

hm

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Juski:

ivor: mysql for php ?

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ivor:

Juski: should be fine.. I'm just checking.

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Hoxzer:

°_°

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ivor:

Juski: yup php has mysql. just rebuilt and checked. hmmm.

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** xq got his mythbox working this weekend.. picture and sound at least **

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xq:

Do one need to have anything more installed to compile mythplugins than for mythtv ? I get errors like "mythdbcon.h: No such file or directory" and "'MSqlBindings' has not been declared" when building mythplugins..

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Dagmar:

You need MySQL installed, of course.

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Dagmar:

I doubt you'll have much luck compiling MythTV without QT and MySQL installed in the first place.

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xq:

Dagmar: But I compiled mythtv-0.20 and it's running ok.. now I'm trying to install mythplugins and I get those error messages when running make

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xq:

so I have MySQL installed and think QT as well.

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Juski:

ah but do you have the qt mysql stuff ?

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xq:

juski: hmm.. if you don't need it to compile mythtv then I propably don't have it ..

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ivor:

aha!

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ivor:

hmmm. now what the feck is causing that.

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ivor:

the env vars aren't being passed from .htaccess to the php.... even though everything looks right.

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** Juski saw HD properly on friday. not impressed by the mpeggyness of $ky HD. not impressed at all **

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xq:

How do I know what version of qt I have installed ?

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Juski:

xq: myth won't work with Qt4.

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Juski:

so if it works at all, you've not got qt4 :)

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xq:

juski: ok .. then I propably have qt3 :)

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xq:

It seems like I have libqt3-mt-mysql installed..

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xq:

Another thing, when I run mythfilldatabase --manual it says in the XMLTV output that "config file /home/mythtv/.mythtv/VSRC1.xmltv does not exist, run me with --configure"

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xq:

What should I run with the configure option?

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srm:

hi there, i finally made the complete build of mythtv front- and backend on OS X ... now i'm stuck with choosing the correct hardware. for this i wanted to ask to get a genreal understanding of how mythtv(setup) chooses the available hardware and how to add a new (my) card (usb) to the list....

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srm:

s/genreal/general

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kslater:

everyone sleep in today?

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Paladine:

I wonder how long I can keep my purchase quiet from the missus

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kslater:

until the bill comes due?

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Paladine:

well am planning to hide the credit card bill ;)

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kslater:

ok. does the purchase involve things that are interacted with on a daily basis?

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kslater:

that's usually a give away too

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Paladine:

no it is 2x1GB of ECC Registered RAM

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kslater:

that kind of stuff can remain hidden indefinitely

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Paladine:

yeah but it is also rather expensive hehe

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Zider:

DDR 1or 2?

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Paladine:

ddr1 pc2100

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Zider:

2100? aren't they like 333MHz or something?

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Zider:

266MHz even

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Paladine:

266

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Paladine:

I haven't seen any server boards that take ddr2 yet

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Paladine:

of coursethat doesn't mean they don't exist

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Paladine:

but my dual athlon board takes pc2100

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Paladine:

and pc2100 ecc registered is about 5x more expensive than regular RAM

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Paladine:

cot me almost 200 bucks for 2x1GB sticks and that was from the US which is about 8x cheaper than it would have cost me to buy them in the UK

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Kabutor:

are there any new effects for the opengl renderer?

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Kabutor:

Im using QT one, and setup the Tvout + DRI is a PIA so I dont know if its worthy

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jduggan:

hi all, im having troubles with the sound, i've followed the docs on the mythtv site, i've a line out of my analogue hauppauge wintv to the line in of my sbaudigy card, i've muted the playback of the line in and set it as the capture device but i still have no sound when viewing the TV.. mythfrontend still manages to play divx audio and also mp3's fine.. anyone know where im going wrong?

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Zider:

Paladine: dual athlon only uses 266MHz? damn.. I thought that was only for really old processors..

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Paladine:

Zider, its a Tyan Thunder K7

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Paladine:

the first ever dual athlon board

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Zider:

oh, a dual socket.. I thought you meant a dual core..

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Zider:

dual core with 266MHz sounded a bit daft ;)

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Paladine:

no dual socket

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fryfrog:

jduggan: when you say you muted the line in, did you turn the volume down? Or did you turn the volume *up* most of the way and hit "M" for mute (or some check box or something) and also set it to the "Rec" or "Captur" device?

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fryfrog:

is there any place to read about setting up some transcoding type jobs?

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fryfrog:

I'd like to read about it, with the thought of *maybe* being able to archive some shows or make them into ds / psp / ipod small format

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Juski:

in the wikiwikiwah maybe?

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fryfrog:

i'm looking there, but not having much luck

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fryfrog:

the entries for transcoding are *very* short and the "daily usage" thing is written for 0.18 it would seem

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fraux:

Hi I've a PINNACLE PCTV USB PRO STICK and I installed the mercurial driver but get nothing why ?

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fryfrog:

but it is possible i'm not searching for the right word

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Juski:

yeah it sucks that nobody can be bothered to update the wiki

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Juski:

fraux: this is #mythtv-users, not #linuxtv

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fryfrog:

nobody in open source likes documenting :)

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Juski:

.. or users for that matter (I totally get that though)

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gandalfcome:

I have installed a terratec cinergy 1400 in my server running the mythbackend, how can I check if the card is properly installed?

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fryfrog:

ahha

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fryfrog:

gandalfcome: check dmesg and lspci

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fryfrog:

you'll need drivers for it, and i have never heard of that card so i don't have a clue *which* drivers it uses

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gandalfcome:

for what?

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gandalfcome:

and how do I install drivers?

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gandalfcome:

fryfrog, do you by any chance frequent the gallery2 irc?

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gandalfcome:

Linux video capture interface: v1.00 [42949386.670000] cx2388x v4l2 driver version 0.0.5 loaded

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fryfrog:

gandalfcome: yes sir :)

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fryfrog:

gandalfcome: do you have a /dev/videoX device?

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gandalfcome:

gandalfcome, yes sir

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gandalfcome:

fryfrog, yes sir

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fryfrog:

do you know if your card is hardware mpeg2 or not?

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fryfrog:

i guess, did you pay ~$20 for it or like $100?

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gandalfcome:

$60

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gandalfcome:

fryfrog, its a dvb-t card

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gandalfcome:

so i shouldnt need to configure it

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jduggan:

fryfrog: i hit 'M' in playback of line in alsamixer then hit space to make it a captur device.. i've also tried the way it says in the sound howto with the amixer cmd, you got any ideas what it could be?

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fryfrog:

jduggan: and the volume on that device *is* actually turned up quite high, right?

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jduggan:

fryfrog: in playback or captur?

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jduggan:

in alsamixer

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fryfrog:

gandalfcome: sounds like it was detected, but i don't know anytjnhing about dvb-t

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fryfrog:

in alsamixer, the line in device

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fryfrog:

it needs to be muted *but also* turned up (i do like 80–90%

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fryfrog:

but you probably did that :/

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gandalfcome:

the thing is I have no alsamixer, my server is running without X, I forwarded it to my laptop

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fryfrog:

alsamixer is ncurses, but i was talking to jduggan :)

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gandalfcome:

sorry

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fryfrog:

gandalfcome: it sounds like you have a working card, showing /dev/video0 probably. Sounds like it is time for testing

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fryfrog:

you might try tvtime if it isn't outputting mpeg2

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fryfrog:

if it *does* output mpeg2, you should be able to "cat /dev/video0 > file.mpg"

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gandalfcome:

fryfrog, if I do that which channel is selected ?

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gandalfcome:

fryfrog, don't I have to get the dvbt channels first

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Juski:

gandalfcome: see the mythtv wiki about testing a dvb-t tuner

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gandalfcome:

okay

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Juski:

ALWAYS verify your hardware works in linux outside of mythtv FIRST

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fryfrog:

gandalfcome: sorry, i dunno anything about dvbt

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gandalfcome:

fryfrog, thanks anyway

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gandalfcome:

Juski, under howto's?

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Juski:

gandalfcome: you'll need to get a package called dvb-apps or similar – for a program called 'scan' and one called 'tzap'

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Juski:

afternoon stuarta :)

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stuarta:

afternoon

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gandalfcome:

Juski, okay got it

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gandalfcome:

Juski, perhaps that helps: DVB: registering new adapter (cx88[0]).

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fryfrog:

Does anyone in here use the "User Jobs" to create ipod, psp or ds videos?

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fryfrog:

gandalfcome: you need to get the dvb apps like he said and use azap or what ever to set the channel

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jduggan:

hmm, when hitting tv to watch live tv, i get an error 'Mythtv is already using all available inputs for the channel you selected. If you want to watch an in-progress recording, select one from the playback menu. If you want to watch live TV, cancel one of the in-process recordings from the delete menu.. thing is ive deleted them from the delete recordings menu and it's still giving me this error, even after a reboot.. how do i sort this?

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fryfrog:

have you scheduled some shows to be recorded?

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gandalfcome:

Juski, instead of putting /dev/video0 in my cards section in mythtv setup should I use /dev/dvb/adaptor0?

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fryfrog:

oh, yeah sorry

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fryfrog:

Does anyone know the type/brand of remote that is with the air2pc card?

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kslater:

* doesn't know which remote, but is remotely interesting anyway

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jduggan:

fryfrog: any idea with my error message above?

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Juski:

gandalfcome: you should select the 'dvb' tuner card type in mythtv-setup or you'll find it won't work

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gandalfcome:

Juski, so /dev/dvb/adaptor0/dvr0 or net0 ...?

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fryfrog:

jduggan: Do you have any shows being recorded?

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Juski:

gandalfcome: the default should show /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 – and that's the one you should use

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fryfrog:

gandalfcome: when i pick my air2pc card, it asks me "adapter 0" or "adapter 1"

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Paladine:

I need a new missus

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fryfrog:

ah, nm

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Paladine:

the one I have now is too devious

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Paladine:

she has some 6th sense about when I have spent money

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Juski:

Paladine: lol. like another would be less devious

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jduggan:

fryfrog: nothing

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jduggan:

'watch recordings' shows 'Sorry, No Recordings Available'

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gandalfcome:

Juski, what are the others for then: demux0 dvr0 frontend0 net0

[14:14:16]

** Juski considers himself lucky with his mrs :) **

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Juski:

gandalfcome: what about them? you don't need to know about them

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Paladine:

oh I am very lucky with my missus too

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Paladine:

it just confuses me how she knows I have spent money every time

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gandalfcome:

Juski, okay

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Juski:

Paladine: that guilty look you don't realise you have

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Paladine:

must be

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Paladine:

I should stop making her cups of tea everytime I am trying to hide a purchase from her

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Paladine:

maybe that gives it away

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jduggan:

Paladine: that sparkly new 24" LCD sitting on your desk usually gives it away

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Paladine:

jduggan, nah this was RAM

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Paladine:

I got the 2x 19" LCDs last week hehe

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jduggan:

hehe

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jduggan:

i bought a 19" widescreen recently

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jduggan:

very nice

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jduggan:

looks odd against my 17" though, so might have to upgrade that ;]

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Paladine:

I just replaced my dual 21" CRTs with 2x 19" LCDs on Thursday last week

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Paladine:

my desk withdrew it's abuse lawsuit against me as a result

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Paladine:

so all is good :)

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Paladine:

but I sold my laptop to buy the monitors so she didn't mind that particular purchase

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Paladine:

she was less happy about the 2GB of ECC ram I just bought last night though

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ikke_:

17:12 < tt__> ja taas saa jenkit sotateollisuudelle tehtävää

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Paladine:

she doesn't understand how resource intensive transcoding dvds to mpeg4 is

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antiProzac:

when in "edit mode" I can press X to see all my commercials. How do I permanantly delete them from the file?

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gandalfcome:

Juski, thanks for the moment I'm trying to forward X to my machine, so it will take a bit longer :)

[14:20:13]

jduggan:

anyway, mythtv tells me that its recording, but 'watch' recordings' or 'delete recordings' shows nothing, anyone had this problem before?

[14:20:22]

Paladine:

oh well time to play some need for speed most wanted in DISPLAY=:1.0

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antiProzac:

jduggan: I have when screwing up an upgrade. I just wiped out the database and rebuilt it with the mc.sql file and running mythtv-setup

[14:23:48]

antiProzac:

how do you cut a cut segment

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antiProzac:

I can delete a cut point, and I can set a cut point(it turns red). Now how do I get rid of it

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quicksilver:

the cut segment is automatically not played, when you watch the file

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quicksilver:

it doesn't generally 'actually delete it' since that would in fact involve re-encoding because of the way mpeg frames depend on each other

[14:29:50]

quicksilver:

however if you transcode (e.g. export to DVD) then it gets actually deleted at that time, I believe

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antiProzac:

i was mucking with a file and actually deleted the segments

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antiProzac:

it was in a transcoding

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fryfrog:

Is there a "favorite" remote for MythTV?

[14:34:40]

fryfrog:

I'm thinking the Logitech Harmony one looks pretty good

[14:37:56]

fryfrog:

blech, none of those look very useful :/

[14:42:10]

AndyCap:

the ATI rf one?

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fryfrog:

I just found that one on newegg

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AndyCap:

remote wonder II or something

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jduggan:

fryfrog: in mythfrontend, the setup for audio, can you walk me through what settings i need to use, im using a creative soundblaster 5.1 card line out from the tv card to line-in of the sb card.. im using alsa with oss emulation->would like to confirm the 'Audio Output Device' the 'Passthrough Output Device' and the 'Mixer Device'

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fryfrog:

but that is an RF remote, so i coudln't use it on the tv or anything

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AndyCap:

fryfrog: why would you?

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fryfrog:

turn the tv on

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fryfrog:

swith inputs so i can play xbox

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AndyCap:

fryfrog: that's what's irblaster.info is for

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AndyCap:

;)

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fryfrog:

maybe even program it to take the place of my xbox remote and cable box remote

[14:43:59]

AndyCap:

you want myth to control the cablebox anyway

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fryfrog:

its gotta be good for the wife, so if the myth box is off that'd suck :)

[14:44:16]

fryfrog:

AndyCap: in an *emergency* I still need to be able to watch BSG!

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AndyCap:

myth box off? that's crazy talk

[14:44:24]

fryfrog:

I AGREE!

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fryfrog:

but... sometimes drives fail or what ever

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AndyCap:

fryfrog: so? you're not going to toss the old remotes

[14:44:39]

fryfrog:

I need to RAID 1 it :)

[14:44:58]

fryfrog:

no, but if i'm going to *buy* a remote for $50, it better take their places!

[14:45:47]

fryfrog:

I guess with a serial IR input, you can use *any* remote

[14:45:54]

fryfrog:

you just gonna have to take the time to program the buttons

[14:46:52]

jduggan:

fryfrog: can u read my msg and tell me what audio output im supposed to use with alsa/oss emulation pls :(

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AndyCap:

65$ for for serial IR outputs. 50$ remote and you have total rf control.

[14:47:08]

AndyCap:

for four..

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Fnc-1:

bah get a pronto

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Fnc-1:

jduggan: ALSA:digital or i use ALSA:spdif

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fryfrog:

jduggan: I don't use OSS emulation, but in the myth setup it should be "ALSA:default" for the device and "default" for the mixer

[14:48:28]

fryfrog:

assuming you don't use digital output

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jduggan:

oh, somebody last night was telling me that you need to use oss emulation

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teapot:

hi everyone

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Fnc-1:

i dont

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fryfrog:

jduggan: nah, oss emulation is for bitches :)

[14:50:19]

fryfrog:

jduggan: i think the problem is that most people want to set the mixer to "/dev/dsp" which is an OSS thing

[14:50:22]

Fnc-1:

fryfrog: i think myth setup depends on how your .asoundrc is setup

[14:50:34]

fryfrog:

jduggan: it is hard to find the "alsa" way of doing it, which is just "default" for the mixer

[14:50:44]

teapot:

does anyone here know about lirc drivers?

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fryfrog:

Fnc-1: yeah, but i think most alsa ends up with a "default" so you are safe :)

[14:51:15]

Fnc-1:

ill have to check mine tonight

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jduggan:

fryfrog: ok, well it plays audio fine with mp3's/divx/dvd but it still wont play tv audio :(

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Fnc-1:

but your saying if like for me.. mine is set on ALSA:spdif? what should my mixer be set on?

[14:52:03]

fryfrog:

Fnc-1: my *guess* (totally out of the blue) would be "spidf" or "default"

[14:52:06]

fryfrog:

what do you have it set to now?

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fryfrog:

er, spdif i mean

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Fnc-1:

like i said ill have to check when i get home.... wasnt sure

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fryfrog:

i honestly don't *understand* alsa, i just know what works for me :)

[14:52:45]

Fnc-1:

all i know is when i kick it hidef, my optical out gets to the receiver

[14:52:58]

fryfrog:

if it works, it works :)

[14:53:11]

Fnc-1:

i was just wondering if i had the mixer set up right

[14:53:17]

fryfrog:

i finally have a mythtv box with spdif optical/coax out, but no reciver *or* speakers :)

[14:53:24]

fryfrog:

Fnc-1: can you change the volume?

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fryfrog:

Fnc-1: chances are, you have OSS emulation on so if its set to /dev/dsp its using alsa anyway

[14:53:52]

jduggan:

fryfrog: where in mythtv am i supposed to set what device to take audio input from (ie, Line-In device) and what device am i supposed to set that to?

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fryfrog:

Fnc-1: I just don't have any OSS emulation crap turned on, so I use the "alsa" way

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fryfrog:

jduggan: okay, for *input* you'll need to stop the backend and run mythtv-setup

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nasa:

hey, I have my optical out *working* — but I get static/squeaking from my right speaker and good sound from the left...

[14:54:23]

fryfrog:

jduggan: when you are configuring the tv card, it should have a device to get audio from

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fryfrog:

nasa: unplug the right one!

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Fnc-1:

ill have to double check

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nasa:

lol

[14:54:50]

fryfrog:

jduggan: for *output* you'll need to start the backend, then start the frontend and goto...

[14:55:09]

fryfrog:

jduggan: settings/setup, tv settings, playback (maybe?)

[14:55:26]

fryfrog:

the mythfrontend has so fucking many places for settings to be, it takes me 15min to find one option :/

[14:55:43]

fryfrog:

and usually i have to go through each item 2 or 3 times before i "find" what i'm looking for :p

[14:56:18]

jduggan:

fryfrog: in 'capture card' in mythtv-setup i set audio device to 'ALSA:default'?

[14:57:04]

fryfrog:

jduggan: I have *never* used a line-in tv card, so i'm not sure of that part

[14:57:15]

fryfrog:

before we go much farther, what kind of card is it?

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jduggan:

hauppauge wintv pci

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jduggan:

its an analogue card

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GreyFoxx:

all settings relating directly to the capture hardware are inh mythtv-setup

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fryfrog:

check if it outputs audio on another dev device

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fryfrog:

it might *not* require dsp

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Fnc-1:

jduggan: what you got feeding into the card?

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fryfrog:

anway, meting now sorry

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jduggan:

Fnc-1: rf at the moment

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jduggan:

RF cable

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Fnc-1:

that the same as coax?

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jduggan:

yea

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Fnc-1:

then i dont think you need to mess with the settings for capture

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Fnc-1:

just the output in the frontend

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Fnc-1:

how ya doing GreyFoxx

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jduggan:

once it's configured its going to have composite video feed then audio out from the satelite decoder to input of the sound card

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jduggan:

erm, input of the video card

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metalac:

any benefit of going amd64? i mean i know there is benefit, but anything particular for mythtv?

[15:00:39]

GreyFoxx:

Good, messing around with hashed names in mythgame rightnow and thinking I should strip it down all over again and redo it heh

[15:00:56]

afrosheen:

metalac, quietness, power savings, extra speed, etc.

[15:01:04]

metalac:

right now i'm running 32-bit, but not sure if 64-bit will do anything

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Fnc-1:

hashed names? what for?

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Fnc-1:

metalac: i have a amd64... but run 32bit

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metalac:

afrosheen: sorry my question wasn't worded right i have a64 now just wanted to see if 32-bit vs 64-bit made any difference

[15:01:33]

GreyFoxx:

Fnc: If you have a LOT of names having all ofthem in a single list is a major pain to scroll through

[15:01:44]

Fnc-1:

cuz with .19 anyway... libs all fuked up

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Fnc-1:

haha afrosheen

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Fnc-1:

go to bed

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afrosheen:

metalac, stay away from 64bit if you can, alot of libs aren't mature enough yet

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Fnc-1:

shakes ever give you that 10 bux?

[15:01:59]

GreyFoxx:

but if you can move from the A's to the B's to the C's and then scroll through just the C's it's much faster

[15:02:03]

metalac:

afrosheen: i figured

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jduggan:

GreyFoxx: how do i specify the line in of the snd card to use as teh audio capture?

[15:02:05]

afrosheen:

Fnc-1, of course he did

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jduggan:

GreyFoxx: just use alsa:default?

[15:02:24]

afrosheen:

Fnc-1, hey tell nickserv to kill your ghost

[15:02:28]

Fnc-1:

on irc... dont have enough to do today

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GreyFoxx:

jduggan: Myth doesn't use alsa for capture, oss only

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Fnc-1:

not a ghost

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jduggan:

GreyFoxx: ok, OSS which device?

[15:02:50]

jduggan:

just dsp?

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GreyFoxx:

I believe so

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GreyFoxx:

but it'

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afrosheen:

Fnc-1, oh you just want me to type a dash every single time I mention you :)

[15:03:12]

GreyFoxx:

s been along time since I saw those menus

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Fnc-1:

check your msg

[15:03:39]

afrosheen:

Fnc-1, don't have any

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jduggan:

GreyFoxx: so you're saying i need oss emulation to capture audio from the line in?

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Fnc-1:

just be glad its not ~`}-1

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GreyFoxx:

jduggan: That's what I'm saying , yes

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jduggan:

ok, so it's best use /dev/dsp for everything then i guess

[15:04:13]

metalac:

omg again a freeze

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metalac:

anybody knows why LiveTV would freeze exactly on hour and half hour

[15:04:44]

Fnc-1:

afrosheen: wondering if anyones done 64bit with .20?

[15:04:56]

afrosheen:

Fnc-1, probably so

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Fnc-1:

.19.. reallt was all goobered up

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stuarta:

lots of the devs run 64bit machines

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Dagmar:

metalac: Your setup can't handle large files (over 2Gb)

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** GreyFoxx tries to remember his wiki login **

[15:06:27]

Dagmar:

...or you've just broken the heck out of your machine.

[15:06:45]

metalac:

Dagmar: i doubt that. it's a 2ghz cpu with a fairly fast sata disk

[15:06:51]

Fnc-1:

stuarta: id rather run something stable... and well.. trying to fix all the broken links for 64 in .19 suked

[15:06:54]

metalac:

1gb of ram

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afrosheen:

metalac, maybe it's your power supply ;)

[15:07:23]

stuarta:

Fnc-1: sounds like an odd distro

[15:07:38]

Fnc-1:

well when i did it i think it was suse 10

[15:07:40]

metalac:

afrosheen: it's not a system freeze, just livetv freeze

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Fnc-1:

now im running fc5.. w/ .20 and things work well

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stuarta:

metalac: check the file size...

[15:08:07]

Dagmar:

metalac: Well, you're the one with the screwed up configuration

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Fnc-1:

got a new hd card the other day... got it set up.. all nice and pretty

[15:08:17]

Fnc-1:

df

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Fnc-1:

metalac: df

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metalac:

stuarta: what do you mean to check the filesize?

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metalac:

Fnc-1: there is plenty of free space

[15:08:43]

stuarta:

the size of the livetv recording on disk

[15:08:44]

Fnc-1:

du

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Dagmar:

metalac: if it's crashing on the hour and half hour exactly, it's not myth, but I seriously doubt it's crashing like that

[15:09:11]

Fnc-1:

oh and Dagmar is a Dr... hence the bedside manner ;)

[15:09:23]

metalac:

Dagmar: it's crashing just like that I timed it too

[15:09:41]

Dagmar:

You bothered to time something that happens at the top of the hour and thirty minutes past?

[15:09:49]

metalac:

now it's not 100% consistent sometimes i get an hour were it doesn't do anything, but most of the time it will crash

[15:10:09]

metalac:

Dagmar: why not? it happens all the time so i wanted to see what's up

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afrosheen:

Dagmar, that's called 'dedication'

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Fnc-1:

Dagmar: not that hard if you watch tv at 9, then at 10 things fuxup

[15:10:34]

metalac:

i didn't time it with a stop watch, rather with a clock, it's kind of easy to look at the clock :)

[15:10:48]

Dagmar:

Fnc: Why would you _time_ such a thing

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Dagmar:

Look, it's very simple

[15:11:06]

Fnc-1:

Dagmar: nothing else to do?

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Dagmar:

If the thing is crashing after a certain amount of recording time, it's rather likely that that coincides with *disk usage* and the *size of the file*

[15:11:22]

Dagmar:

PVR cards run about 2.2Gb per hour

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metalac:

i have 200gb free

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Fnc-1:

Dagmar: perhaps its his filesystem

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metalac:

and it happens on half hour too

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Dagmar:

If your stuff is screwed up and can't handle "large files" (over 2Gb) when it hits 2Gb, pow

[15:11:44]

metalac:

so it's 1.1gb

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afrosheen:

metalac, what filesystem are you running for the recordings and ringbuffer

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Dagmar:

ON the half hour, or AFTER a half hour

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metalac:

afrosheen: jfs

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Dagmar:

It would freaking help a LOT if you could actually be specific about this.

[15:12:14]

Dagmar:

There is no more ringbuffer.

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Fnc-1:

metalac: i think hes saying your fs cant handle the larger files... file limitation

[15:12:25]

Fnc-1:

nm hes not saying that

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metalac:

Dagmar: ON the half hour, but i don't mean half hour after watching, but at 1:30, 2:00, 2:30, etc

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Dagmar:

metalac: Okay, so you've either got a very dumb cron job or you have something very nasty stuck in your database.

[15:12:58]

metalac:

so if i start watching at 1:20 it will freeze on 1:30

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Fnc-1:

your saying at 10:30 your comptuers going to fuk up

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Fnc-1:

then again at 11:00

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metalac:

Fnc-1: exactly

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Dagmar:

You can try dumping the database and setting it up again, or you can kill off crond

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metalac:

i have no crons that run hourly or half hourly, a few that run daily and half-daily, but that's it

[15:14:04]

Dagmar:

That leaves you with one posited cause then.

[15:14:19]

afrosheen:

it's probably trying to record something that doesn't exist/can't be tuned/whatever

[15:14:28]

afrosheen:

I'm leaning towards bad database entry

[15:14:48]

metalac:

hmmm

[15:15:00]

metalac:

it started happening after 0.20 update

[15:15:07]

Dagmar:

Or you could, you know,, watch the log output from the backend

[15:15:36]

GreyFoxx:

Man, I need to get a wireless gamepad

[15:15:43]

Fnc-1:

metalac: start the backend manually, and the frontend... then use alttab, to see whats going on

[15:15:46]

afrosheen:

GreyFoxx, for what

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Fnc-1:

playing games silly

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Dagmar:

Since you theoretically know when it's going to crash, it's not like you have to spend a lot of time watching the logs tail on another machine

[15:16:13]

metalac:

Fnc-1: i was gona do that later and see wha'ts going on

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GreyFoxx:

afrosheen: Mythgame. It's annoying having a long cable between me and the mythbox :)

[15:16:45]

GreyFoxx:

plus I would configure it to use for navigating myth's menus and such

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afrosheen:

GreyFoxx, a daunting task...I salute you

[15:17:41]

GreyFoxx:

Nah, simple really. I just need to remember to buy one next chance I get :)

[15:17:44]

metalac:

GreyFoxx: they have some pretty cheap ones out there, I was thinking about it

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GreyFoxx:

Myth supports joystick menu control soit's just a matter of a little config file

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Fnc-1:

afrosheen: your wifes restraunt open today

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afrosheen:

Fnc-1, always open

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Fnc-1:

afrosheen: i asked about her rest. not her ;)

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afrosheen:

GreyFoxx, I mean good luck with joysticks and all the emulators, I wish someone would fix the way myth acts out of the box with that

[15:19:33]

afrosheen:

Fnc-1, sixth grade called, they need that joke back

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GreyFoxx:

afrosheen: How do you mean? myth has nothing to do with the emulators handling the joystick

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Fnc-1:

afrosheen: cant remember where i went to 6th grade

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Fnc-1:

were there upgrades in .20 with the music stuffs?

[15:20:46]

metalac:

Fnc-1: has it been that long ;)

[15:20:47]

GreyFoxx:

afrosheen: Pre 0.19 using a joystick for menucontrol and with mythgame wouldbe a pain as it would queue up movements, but that was changed a long time ago

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Fnc-1:

...ie... like the use of a database? so larger collections work mo butter

[15:21:27]

afrosheen:

GreyFoxx, I'm just talking about using the emulators then getting back into myth, all the irexec hacks you have to add etc.

[15:21:39]

Fnc-1:

metalac: just moved so much, and didnt feel like working backwords to figure out where and when that was

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metalac:

Fnc-1: ahhhh

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GreyFoxx:

Why would you need to use irexec for that ?

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GreyFoxx:

Just configure a button combination to exit the emulator

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GreyFoxx:

the fact that it's an IR joystock should be invisible to the pc

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GreyFoxx:

ok, I'm seeing what you mean if you are using a remote to exit a game

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gandalfcome:

fryfrog, okay the DVB-T card is set up correctly and can recieve channels with the scan program but the Mythtv channel scanner doesnt find anything

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afrosheen:

GreyFoxx, umm...yeahhh. :)

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** stuarta listens intently **

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GreyFoxx:

I configured most of the ones I use to exit with a button combo on my gamepade

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GreyFoxx:

That or I use the keyboard nearby. Ive never considered using the remote to do it :)

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afrosheen:

GreyFoxx, what I'm saying is, this stuff should be included

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GreyFoxx:

afrosheen: I had to configure the button combo into each emulator. myth doesn't see any of that

[15:27:20]

afrosheen:

GreyFoxx, I saw an irexec script somewhere that did a killall to each emulator on a remote keypress

[15:27:33]

GreyFoxx:

yeah I'm looking at that on the wiki right now

[15:27:44]

afrosheen:

it was like using a sledgehammer to open a walnut but it works

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gandalfcome:

I have set up my DVB-T card in linux correctly with the scan tool I find channels. Mythtv also recognizes the card but doesn't find any channels

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gandalfcome:

help appreciated

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stuarta:

gandalfcome: does it give any error messages?

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gandalfcome:

stuarta, it gives me this 2006-10–09 17:32:15.957 DVB#0 DVB signal 24 | snr 8000 | ber 3fff | unc 0

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stuarta:

what about in the UI?

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gandalfcome:

stuarta, I gave it a transport, now I can't get rid of it

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stuarta:

have you tried full scan?

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gandalfcome:

yes

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stuarta:

finds no transports?

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gandalfcome:

I used the scan tool to dump into channels.conf that worked

[15:33:26]

gandalfcome:

error tuning to transport

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gandalfcome:

I gave a transport of 7000000 hz but thats wrong, I played around a bit thought that I can fix it

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stuarta:

when you started with an empty database it didn't add any channels or transports?

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gandalfcome:

no

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stuarta:

hrm, odd

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stuarta:

0.20?

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gandalfcome:

in the channels config menu I pressed advanced and added a new transport, that was not good, perhaps if I get rid of that it might work

[15:37:13]

gandalfcome:

how do i see the version number?

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stuarta:

just go to transport editor and hit 'd'

[15:37:23]

gandalfcome:

I tried that doesnt work

[15:37:51]

stuarta:

if you installed a package it have a version number

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gandalfcome:

I installed yesterday from the ubuntu repo

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stuarta:

dpkg -l mythtv

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gandalfcome:

0.18.1–5ubuntu3

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stuarta:

ugg. 0.20 is current

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Merlin83b:

0.18?!? Ouch.

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gandalfcome:

is there a mythtv repo

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gandalfcome:

how old is 0.18

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stuarta:

1.5yrs +

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stuarta:

give or take a few months.

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afrosheen:

hahaha .18

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afrosheen:

ubuntu is turning into debian

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gandalfcome:

so whats the fastest way to upgrade, is there a repo or a deb package?

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Fnc-1:

gandalfcome: you got it yet? i can help you with it

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stuarta:

afrosheen: ubunto = debian + bling

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afrosheen:

stuarta, I know, I was making a smartass comment

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stuarta:

:)

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gandalfcome:

Fnc-1, not yet but im getting there, a few others are helping me

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Fnc-1:

you in the us?

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gandalfcome:

okay guys enough of making fun about ubuntu:) how do I install the newest version

[15:42:25]

gandalfcome:

no in germany

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fryfrog:

Are there mythtv 0.20 packages for ubuntu?

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fryfrog:

And if there are, is it based on 0.20 release or fixes?

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fryfrog:

I'm thinking of building my parents a mythbox, but i'm torn between gentoo and ubuntu

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stuarta:

last I heard the umbongo maintainer was MIA

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fryfrog:

i *know* I can easily get latest from gentoo, but ubuntu?

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gandalfcome:

I'm building a mythbox for my parents on ubuntu server

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Fnc-1:

gandalfcome: the way i get dvb-t to work is simple... remove all capture cards... start mythtvsetup, then add card, then add data source (here its datadirect) then link card, to source, exit mythetup, then run mythfilldatabase, restart mythtvsetup, then go back in, and scan... shoudl work from there

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afrosheen:

build it from source if you can't find updated packages

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stuarta:

Fnc-1: first he needs ubunut 0.20

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gandalfcome:

Fnc-1, cool, but I need to get the newest mythtv version first

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afrosheen:

I could have sworn I read some ubuntu maintainer released it..

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gandalfcome:

ill google it

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stuarta:

actually, don't the marillat debs work on ubuntu?

[15:45:41]

fryfrog:

Damn, does anyone use a *nice* remote with myth? Something that isn't included with their tv card for free?

[15:46:00]

fryfrog:

The logitech harmony remotes look decent, but there are like 8 versions from $50-$500 :p

[15:46:17]

fryfrog:

the ATI would be okay for just myth, but i'd like one that can do tv, xbox, cable box, dvd, etc

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kraut:

hi, i have problems to save any tv-channels. i defined in mythtv-setup tvtoday as my channel source, after i took that, i should do 'mythtvfilldatabase --manual' and then i'll get this error: http://phpfi.com/161875

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Fnc-1:

gandalfcome: sorry i dont know about ubunto... let me know if the brocess works for you though, id be interested in knowing

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kraut:

could anybody please help me? :(

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gandalfcome:

sure

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Fnc-1:

gandalfcome: i use yum with prebuilt stuffs... so im not sure

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Fnc-1:

kraut:

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Fnc-1:

vi /usr/bin/tv_grab_de_tvtoday

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Fnc-1:

:473

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Fnc-1:

whats that line?

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kraut:

=head1 NAME

[15:48:41]

kraut:

tv_grab_de_tvtoday – Grab TV listings for Germany (from www.tvtoday.de webpage).

[15:48:46]

kraut:

ah, sorry

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kraut:

wait please

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kraut:

die("cannot find date on requested page")

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gandalfcome:

kraut does the grab tv_today fail on you as well?

[15:49:19]

kraut:

is that what you wanted to know?

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gandalfcome:

okay guys I resort to violence: will compile from source now :)

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Fnc-1:

kraut: maybe gandalfcome can help you out, im not familiar with how that works.. im in the us.. but it looks like that script...

[15:50:04]

Fnc-1:

obviously

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kraut:

http://phpfi.com/161881

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kraut:

that happens

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gandalfcome:

do I have to uninstall the packages first?

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stuarta:

gandalfcome: yes

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gandalfcome:

kraut, what version of mythtv do you have?

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fryfrog:

Does anyone know if the PVR500 has an IR input like the 250's?

[15:52:19]

jduggan:

fryfrog: i have a case now where i have two lots of sound.. realtime and one in sync with the video.. im using oss mixer program in gnome

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kraut:

ii mythtv-backend 0.18.1–5ubuntu3 A personal video recorder application (serve

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kraut:

ii mythtv-common 0.18.1–5ubuntu3 A personal video recorder application (commo

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jduggan:

i tried muting all of them one by one but none of them mute only the realtime :(

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kraut:

gandalfcome: tv_grab* was an extra package!

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Fnc-1:

i say you guys try updating

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gandalfcome:

kraut, I have the same they are 1.5+ years old ( so I was told), at the moment I'm compiling from source the 0.2 version

[15:53:52]

kraut:

oh no :(

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kraut:

you mean xmltv is to old?

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Fnc-1:

http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1/dists/da . . . binary-i386/

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gandalfcome:

I have no clue about the xmltv thingie

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Fnc-1:

german guys..

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stuarta:

gandalfcome: also have a lok in the wiki there are several ubmuntu guides.

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fryfrog:

jduggan: mute the line in

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gandalfcome:

stuarta, will do thanks again

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Fnc-1:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Installi . . . buntu_Breezy

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kraut:

Fnc: thanks!

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gandalfcome:

kraut, I think you want that one http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation

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jduggan:

fryfrog: do you have gnome default mixer?

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gandalfcome:

kraut, I assume you run dapper

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kraut:

ACK

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jduggan:

mixer controller i mean

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fryfrog:

jduggan: no, sorry i use alsamixergui

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fryfrog:

the ncurses based one

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jduggan:

GreyFoxx: are you here?

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antiProzac:

anyone know how to do a "Direct Stream Copy (video and audio)" of a transcoded recording with the cutlist segments removed? Would this have to be done manually with mencoder or nandub?

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stuarta:

antiProzac: lossless mpeg2 -> mpeg2 transcode

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Juski:

lossless transcode, you mean?

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antiProzac:

mpeg4 to mpeg4

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stuarta:

no support

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antiProzac:

divx to divx

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Juski:

wouldn't be frame accurate anyway

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Juski:

.. which is why you should always cut before transcoding if you can

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antiProzac:

you can take an mpeg4 and remove frames without reencoding

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Juski:

can you? learn something new every day

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antiProzac:

its how I trim alot of my divx to fit on 700MB CDs

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Juski:

let the player deal with the messed up stream, in other words

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antiProzac:

using Direct Video Stream copy. takes about 3 minutes compared to the 3 hours a decent encoding takes :)

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antiProzac:

I've only ever finagled video streams with VirtualDubMod and Nandub though

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Juski:

course you could always just copy the bits of the video close to cutpoints, then only re-encode the parts up to keyframes like the mpeg2>mpeg2 transcoder does

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Juski:

nuvexport might do what you want

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antiProzac:

I assume those apps must use the preceding frames to make a new start frame as mpeg4s depend on other frames being present

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Juski:

yeah otherwise you'd have to tolerate real messed up video until the next keyframe

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antiProzac:

correct

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Juski:

as I said.. nuvexport might be your friend in this instance ;-)

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antiProzac:

since I usually lob off credits and introduction scenes it never is an issue

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coffee88:

hi all. I'm confusing myself with mythweb access issues...

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coffee88:

I want to be able to connect with no password from the internal network, and password from outside....

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Juski:

coffee88: man .htaccess

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coffee88:

and i'm getting a password box from inside too...

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fryfrog:

coffee88: I don't think that is possible with .htaccess

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fryfrog:

coffee88: though, if you can it'd invove comparing the source ip with your ip

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fryfrog:

why not just tick the "remember my password" box and forget about it?

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Juski:

coffee88: I think it might be possible since you can specify access methods by IP range

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coffee88:

no maunal entry for htaccess...

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Juski:

coffee88: google it...

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coffee88:

Juski: tried that, but no obvious success.. I'll keep trying...

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fryfrog:

Man, why are all the universal remotes so *ugly*?

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fryfrog:

well, besides the expensive logitech ones :/

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Juski:

fryfrog: so stop looking at Logitech ones

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fryfrog:

I'm looking at radio shack ones now :/

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gandalfcome:

kraut, in the guide that I sent to you you need to use the second set of repos

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Juski:

http://www.discoworld.dk/shop/images/188-567.jpg

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kraut:

gandalfcome: i am just trying the repositority of the guy how was here short time ago

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Juski:

^^ my remote. we like

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coffee88:

got it. needed "satisfy any". duh.

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gandalfcome:

Fnc-1, I used the following guide for ubuntu http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation

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fryfrog:

haha, thats kinda cool looking

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gandalfcome:

kraut, can you post it to me

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Juski:

fryfrog: not available in the US... lol

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fryfrog:

but that isn't a universal rmeote, is it?

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Juski:

fryfrog: yeah it is... does 6 devices

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kraut:

gandalfcome: deb http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1 dapper main

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Juski:

not that I need to control 6 devices anymore... for the last 2 years infact

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fryfrog:

oh, wow

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fryfrog:

the arrow key portion is a bit odd looking to me

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fryfrog:

with the volume/channel inside, arrows... a bit past it?

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Juski:

the OFA-6 is one of them ones you can program with new codes by playing a wav file next to (or from down a telephone) :)

[16:23:34]

fryfrog:

really

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fryfrog:

?

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fryfrog:

thats crazy :p

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Juski:

yeah, like I make stuff up here all the time

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Juski:

:-|

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fryfrog:

I think if I knew someone with that remote, i'd make a ring tone for my phone :)

[16:24:06]

Juski:

need a new code for something not in the book? ring up their tech support ;-)

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fryfrog:

neat

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fryfrog:

can you tl the wav/mp3's somewhere?

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fryfrog:

or just via their tech support?

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Juski:

I read it in their FM but I'd never believed it til I tried it

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Juski:

you can get codes from their website

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Juski:

and you can even reprogram it with JP1 software.. which is how I made my own mythtv remote protocol

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Juski:

easily one of the nerdiest things I've ever done with a remote I have to say

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kraut:

gandalfcome: sehr wichtig! http://de.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3849#3849

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gandalfcome:

kraut, danke

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Juski:

btw while you're still here stuarta.. you ever heard/been to a cool bar in town that's in a converted underground car park? I was there on Friday night.. has a bowling alley & karaoke booths (!).. oh and they sell minging beer

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gandalfcome:

kraut, hab die gleiche repo

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kraut:

ELANG ;)

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Blammo:

Is there a page/thread somewhere on getting the internal player to play divx/xvid/wmv?

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Juski:

Blammo: just put Internal as the video player command

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Blammo:

Juski: it won't handle those filetypes

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Juski:

for wmv you'd need to install the evil codecs

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Blammo:

Juski: upgrade from 0.19 to 0.20 and internal becomes default for all video, which is NICE (like the player features) except it coughs on anything except vob / mpeg / avi.

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antiProzac:

I seemed to have misplaced nuvexport. Anyone know where I can find htis?

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Juski:

mine plays back xvid just fine.. must be something your system isn't compiled with

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Blammo:

Juski: wmv?

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Juski:

Blammo: I wouldn't touch wmv with yours!

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antiProzac:

does nuvexport come with mythtv?

[16:33:18]

antiProzac:

or nupplevideo

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antiProzac:

or both

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Juski:

antiProzac: nuppelvideo is just a container format

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PeterC:

After a power-cut last evening I get the following error message: "Table './mythconverg/recorded' is marked as crashed and should be repaired". Could someone please tell me how to fix this.

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antiProzac:

isnt nuvexport a script

[16:34:01]

Juski:

antiProzac: http://www.google.co.uk/search?client=firefox . . . oogle+Search

[16:34:12]

antiProzac:

I do not have a nuvexport, do I need a pluggin to get it?

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Blammo:

Juski: problem is, trailers off the net, for example, are wmv. Video (family) archived from camera is wmv. I could go through and change the player setup manually, per file, but I was hoping to allow the internal player to play it all. (since that seems to be the 0.20 intent)

[16:34:35]

Juski:

PeterC: stop the frontends & mythbackend, then run mysqlcheck, as described in the wiki

[16:35:00]

gandalfcome:

I have a problem, I installed the newest version of mythtv but i get that when running filldatabase: Protocol version mismatch (frontend=31,backend=15)

[16:35:03]

Juski:

Blammo: I think you can assign different players to different filetypes in 0.20

[16:35:23]

Juski:

gandalfcome: so it's not all the same version, then is it?

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fryfrog:

gandalfcome: your backend eitehr needs to be restarted or it is *way* out of sync

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Blammo:

Juski: yeah, you could do that in 0.19 as well. I've done that as a temp fix. Was just hoping to have the internal player handle it all.

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gandalfcome:

okay ill restart

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Juski:

Blammo: well, it'll teach you to stop loving wmv

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gandalfcome:

fryfrog, I assume its in etc/init.de...

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fryfrog:

prolly

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gandalfcome:

Juski, my all are 0.2 now

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gandalfcome:

Juski, I upgraded them with another repo

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gandalfcome:

fryfrog, restart didnt help

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Juski:

0.2? god man that was in 1997 or something

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Juski:

the most recent is 0.20

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Juski:

0.20 != 0.2

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gandalfcome:

no i mean 0,20

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fryfrog:

if the backend says its protocol is 15, you haven't updated the backend

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gandalfcome:

aptitude tells me they are both 0.2

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gandalfcome:

aptitude tells me they are both 0.20

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gandalfcome:

so ill stop the mythtv backend, and reinstall it?

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fryfrog:

try "mythbackend -version" or something

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fryfrog:

maybe "--version"

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fryfrog:

its --version

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gandalfcome:

root@server:/home/wkerzend# mythbackend --version

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gandalfcome:

Library API version: 0.20.20060828–3

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Juski:

-v or --version IIRC

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gandalfcome:

I didnt even have the frontend installed because its a server machine but let me check

[16:41:46]

gandalfcome:

the same

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gandalfcome:

I get the protocol missmatch on filldatabse

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gandalfcome:

I get the protocol missmatch on filldatabase

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fryfrog:

sounds like you haven't really restarted myth then

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fryfrog:

stop myth, then do "ps aux | grep myth" and see if its gone

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gandalfcome:

fryfrog, restarting myth: /etc/init.d/mythbackend restart?

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fryfrog:

try "stop" first

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Juski:

depends. some packagers call it /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend :-|

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gandalfcome:

interesting: Stopping MythTV server: mythbackend No /usr/bin/mythbackend found running; none killed.

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gandalfcome:

but I started it

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PeterC:

Juski: Thanks!

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qu0zl:

is it /usr/local/bin/mythbackend gandalfcome?

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qu0zl:

did you compile it yourself?

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gandalfcome:

no repo

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gandalfcome:

deb http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1 dapper main

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gandalfcome:

deb-src http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1 dapper main

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Juski:

some repos have the prefix as /usr/local too

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Ediehow:

hi friends

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Ediehow:

i can only get one button working on my blaster

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Ediehow:

every other button generates "remote not supported" error

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gandalfcome:

no the init.d script points to /usr/bin

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fryfrog:

doesn't mean that it is starting the right thing

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fryfrog:

"slocate -u & slocate mythbackend"

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gandalfcome:

just installed slocate

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gandalfcome:

[1] 11437

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gandalfcome:

/var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

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gandalfcome:

/usr/bin/mythbackend

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ciphernemo:

I just changed the root password for MySQL and changed it in MythTV, but now MythTV is croaking. What does this error message mean?: http://rafb.net/paste/results/3IIxe886.html

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xq:

Hey guys. My Mythbox saves everything in mpeg .. what I've been reading on the net they should be .nuv files? The reason I'm wondering is that there is disturbing artifacts in large, evenly colored, areas for me.. wondering if there's something wrong with my settings.

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Juski:

xq: myth used to save mpeg2 files as .nuv filenames

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Juski:

xq: and mpeg doesn't do large evenly coloured areas very well

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Juski:

now mythtv saves mpeg2 files as .mpg

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Juski:

you might want to increase the bitrates of your recording profiles to reduce the level of artifacts. only issue is it'll cause disk space to get eaten up more.

[16:51:37]

Juski:

mpeg2 sucks don'tcha know

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Juski:

anyway.. hometime for me

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gandalfcome:

Juski, thanks again :)

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xq:

juski: ok.. that explains it. tnx.

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Pryon:

xq: Just a data point : If I care about saving something, I record it at 720x480 at 8Mbps. It still shows artifacts on large areas of one color.

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fryfrog:

Is there a USB IR reciever?

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fryfrog:

i assume they are usb -> serial -> ir?

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fryfrog:

humm, actually

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fryfrog:

i guess i'm not using my serial ports anymore :)

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ciphernemo:

I just changed the root password for MySQL and changed it in MythTV, but now MythTV is croaking. What does this error message mean?: http://rafb.net/paste/results/3IIxe886.html (MythTV was working fine prior to this change, so I don't understand why a password change affects this if MythTV and MySQL are set with the same password for root?)

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fryfrog:

did you update the mysql.txt ?

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fryfrog:

and using *root* for your myth isn't a hot idea

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fryfrog:

you might consider making a user *for* myth, with access only to myth

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ciphernemo:

fryfrog: root in mysql, not in linux

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jd86:

is datadirect (zap2it) not working any more?

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Merlin83b:

"Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)"

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Merlin83b:

You're not using root for your mysql access, ciphernemo.

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ciphernemo:

Merlin83b: which MySQL user account does MythTV use and expect?

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xq:

pryon: ok. But is there any way to turn off recording (now myth-tv records all the time so i can "rewind" live tv)? So that when watching live-tv the quality would be better?

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Merlin83b:

Read the error message. THe user is "mythtv"

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gandalfcome:

fryfrog, could an old libmyth be the problem?

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gandalfcome:

fryfrog, no thats upgraded as well

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ciphernemo:

Merlin83b: ahhh, confusing, lol, since mythtv and root are both accounts for linux and mysql :) So you're saying it's using the mysql mythtv user account?

[16:59:38]

Merlin83b:

Correct – it's using the username mythtv to access mysql

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ciphernemo:

Merlin83b: k, thx, I'll putter around with that :)

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Merlin83b:

On that note, I'm going home. Good luck :)

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ciphernemo:

ty

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Pryon:

xq: If you're watching TV, you're recording. I don't think there's any way around that.

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xq:

pryon: That's what I suspected. Now when I finaly got picture and sound somehow working on my mythbox and changed from my ordinary DVB-C settop-box I notice the artifacts everywhere.. but I guess I will have to get used to it then..

[17:05:57]

xq:

.. the biggest problem for me now is to get the EPG working.

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Pryon:

xq: What bitrate are you using for your "Live TV" recording profile?

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fryfrog:

Does anyone make extensive use of the different profiles?

[17:06:50]

fryfrog:

I was kind of thinking of lumping cartoons into one, maybe

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fryfrog:

but i dunno if i care enough to bother :)

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Pryon:

I tend to have 2 categories: (1) Stuff I want to save ("High Quality") and (2) Everything else ("Live TV")

[17:10:38]

Pryon:

note to self: never allow apt to upgrade mysql while a recording is in progress.

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xq:

pryon: i'm not on my mythbox now, but on this computer I have file I recorded earlier and VLC shows the bitrate changeing between 3100–3800..

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Pryon:

xq: Ah. You're gonna see lots of crud at that bitrate.

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xq:

Pryon: kb/s that is.. yeah, I see it :)

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gandalfcome:

fryfrog, when i try myth-backend start it says already started and when I say stop it says no process to kill. I did ps -A |grep myth but it didnt get anything

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fryfrog:

run it manually, see why it does

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gandalfcome:

kraut, any luck yet?

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fryfrog:

or just check the log file

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fryfrog:

this is standard linux stuff

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kraut:

gandalfcome: a bit more, i think i got the channel list configured

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Pryon:

gandalfcome: It's possible there's a stale PID file in /var/run that makes myth-backend think it's still running. Delete that before attempting to restart.

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gandalfcome:

I use windows a lot, so I did what every windows use does I restarted the linux server :D

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Led-Hed:

lol

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gandalfcome:

okay same problem as before wont start I deleted the pid file. I will check the log next

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A-d:

and the log says what?

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gandalfcome:

me stupid, me write protect mythtv's storage area ;)

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gandalfcome:

fryfrog, it works

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kraut:

to wich user should /var/lib/mythtv/ belong?

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kraut:

i'll get a message of myththv-setup, that it could not write a file in .test/

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Zoohouse:

hello everyone

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kraut:

ah, found my failure

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kraut:

strange, when i connect with a client, i'll get only a dark picture

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Zoohouse:

Is there a site with plans of a tested pre-built system?

[17:30:33]

kraut:

but i am able to switch a sender

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kraut:

really strange

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ciphernemo:

Are there any other TV scheduling and playback software guis out there that are easier to install and config compared to MythTV?

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ciphernemo:

ie: interfaces for ivtv that connect with snap2it for scheduling?

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Led-Hed:

is there a way so change the default recording settings? I want the default to store 5 episodes and delete oldest episode

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kraut:

hey dudes, i think i got my channel list configured, but when i connect from a client to the backend, the screen is black :(

[17:37:13]

kraut:

any idea?

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kraut:

i am able to switch a sender

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GreyFoxx:

Led-Hed: Nope

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Led-Hed:

kraut: This is a common problem. Check the ML Archives at Gossamer

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Led-Hed:

GreyFoxx: =(

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kraut:

Led-Hed: thanks, do you have an url?

[17:38:56]

kraut:

or what is Gossamer?

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Led-Hed:

hold on

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Led-Hed:

MythTV Mail List Archive... http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/

[17:39:44]

kraut:

thanks!

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Led-Hed:

NP

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Led-Hed:

GreyFoxx: any progress with the MythGame Title Hashing?

[17:40:40]

GreyFoxx:

Led-Hed: Yup, all done

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gandalfcome:

Thanks to all of you I got to go now, see you soon

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GreyFoxx:

Just not commited yet

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Led-Hed:

GreyFoxx: you da man

[17:41:09]

Led-Hed:

any idea when it'll get into SVN?

[17:41:22]

GreyFoxx:

not specifically :)

[17:41:36]

GreyFoxx:

I just need to test it one more time really

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Led-Hed:

No rush, I guess I can wait a bit longer

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GreyFoxx:

Only 1 left of hashing, first letter

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Juski:

re

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GreyFoxx:

s/left/level

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** Led-Hed has only been wanting this feature for 3 years **

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Led-Hed:

;)

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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Juski:

speaking of artifacts, I saw a demo of a premium HD service on Friday... sheesh! National Geographic HD.. big macroblocks all over the place.. nasty

[17:43:28]

Juski:

Led-Hed: some would argue that you could've learnt how to code it yourself in 3 years, but I'm not one to stir up stuff like that ;-)

[17:43:45]

Led-Hed:

Juski: very good point.

[17:44:25]

Juski:

that said it took me about 40 hours to write a function that a) compiled and b) worked

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Led-Hed:

Juski: I'm not much of a programer

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Juski:

neither am I

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Led-Hed:

its taken me 6 months to limp along in VB

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Juski:

oops that reminds me about a couple of projects I've got on a back-burner somewhere

[17:46:02]

** Led-Hed is lucky if he can write a 2 line bash script **

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kraut:

Led-Hed: you meant concerning to the PVR-350 tuner?

[17:46:26]

Led-Hed:

kraut: concerning the Black screen

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kraut:

Led-Hed: i found only to check out the usage of PVR-350

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Led-Hed:

kraut: I have had the same problem. Though it was almost 2 years ago so I cant remember what I did to fix it. All I can remember is that it was posted in the ML Archive

[17:47:51]

Led-Hed:

Oh, wait

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Led-Hed:

I think it has something to do with the order in which the backend was started.

[17:48:24]

Led-Hed:

I think the backend has to be started after the IVTV drivers are loaded....

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Juski:

that'd make sense

[17:49:13]

Juski:

and start mythfrontend after X has started ;-)

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Led-Hed:

lol

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Led-Hed:

like I said it was 2 years ago

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kraut:

Led-Hed: i have a bt787!

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kraut:

errrr

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kraut:

bt878

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Led-Hed:

kraut: same principle.

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Led-Hed:

make sure the bt787 drivers are loading before the backend

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kraut:

i did

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Led-Hed:

its possible that the blank screen is un-related. Thats just what I did to resolve my blank screen problem.

[17:51:23]

kraut:

it is not completly black

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kraut:

black with a little bit blue

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kraut:

really darkblack

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Juski:

sounds like the wrong input is selected

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kraut:

Juski: television

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Juski:

kraut: TV out? on which kind of VGA card? or a pvr350 card?

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kraut:

2006-10–09 19:51:04.554 Unknown video codec

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kraut:

2006-10–09 19:51:04.555 Please go into the TV Settings, Recording Profiles and

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kraut:

2006-10–09 19:51:04.556 setup the four 'Software Encoders' profiles.

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kraut:

0000:02:08.1 Multimedia controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Audio Capture (rev 11)

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Juski:

kraut: sounds like you've not set up mythtv-setup right

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Juski:

does the tv tuner card work in tvtime?

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kraut:

yep

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kormoc:

I love asking this question, kraut, did you do what it said for you to do?

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** Juski reiterates the point about making sure your hardware works in linux before going anywhere near mythtv **

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kraut:

kormoc: what did you said?

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fryfrog:

well, i ordered the $75 harmony remote :)

[17:54:24]

kormoc:

kraut, what the output you just pasted in here said to do, did you do that?

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kraut:

i am just looking

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kraut:

i am not that fast ;)

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kraut:

don't know if i really understood the failure, i switched on the frontend to software encoder (v4l), the picture is still darkblue :/

[18:01:15]

Zoohouse:

Anyone can point me to a site where hardware plans are posted up? I would like to see different examples of mythtv setups. Thanks

[18:02:00]

kormoc:

Zoohouse, generic computer + tv card == mythbox... really, what specifics do you want?

[18:02:14]

kraut:

Zoohouse: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Hardware

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Fnc-1:

fryfrog should have gotten a prnonto

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Fnc-1:

er pronto

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fryfrog:

Pronto?

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fryfrog:

Zoohouse: Why don't you describe what you hope to accomplish?

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Zoohouse:

kormoc: yea i know, but I want to see how people have solved the, "ugly tower by my system" problem. The types of cases and motherboards used.

[18:04:04]

fryfrog:

Zoohouse: the "hardware plan" is pretty much infinite and depends on what you want to do

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fryfrog:

Zoohouse: oh, just look for HTPC cases

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fryfrog:

newegg is a good place

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fryfrog:

or SFF systems

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Zoohouse:

ah got it

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fryfrog:

get what ever you like, its whats inside that counts

[18:04:42]

Zoohouse:

ok HTPC and SFF, thanks. :)

[18:04:55]

fryfrog:

though, the HTPC cases tend to be pricy

[18:05:01]

Zoohouse:

What type of motherboards fit in small cases?

[18:05:09]

fryfrog:

I think I'll end up with a SFF when i do a real FE

[18:05:14]

fryfrog:

depends on the size of the case

[18:05:17]

kormoc:

Zoohouse, usually when you buy a special case it will eather come with a mobo or will tell you

[18:05:26]

kormoc:

Zoohouse, they're all different, and thus there's no hard and fast rule

[18:05:27]

Zoohouse:

got it

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fryfrog:

there is micro atx and mini atx for cases, the sff cases usually have mb in em

[18:05:37]

fryfrog:

and some of the htpc too

[18:05:38]

Zoohouse:

cool thanks

[18:05:49]

fryfrog:

really, all myth cares about is *how* you capture

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Zoohouse:

i think thats enough info for a good google search. Thanks

[18:06:01]

fryfrog:

hdtv ota, sd via mpeg2 card, firewire from cable box

[18:06:11]

fryfrog:

hey, speaking of firewire... cable is required to have firewire,,, but is satalite?

[18:06:19]

xq:

I have problems geting the EPG to work, how can I debug what's wrong? Trying to get it of the air from the DVB-stream, but nothing shows up..

[18:06:47]

fryfrog:

xq: check out the output of "mythfrontend -v help" and "mythbackend -v help"

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fryfrog:

pick some of the options that sound like they will display useful information

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fryfrog:

start your front and back end with those options, check log file

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xq:

fryfrog: thanks.. i'll try that

[18:07:47]

metalac:

anyone knows if commercial removal works for LiveTV?

[18:07:52]

metalac:

like when i paus livetv

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fryfrog:

i think you can tell it to start com flagging immedialy upon record start

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fryfrog:

but obviusly you'll need to give it a 5–10min headstart

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fryfrog:

metalac: but don't worry, you won't use livetv except for debugging

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metalac:

????

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metalac:

i use livetv all the time

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fryfrog:

livetv is lame

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fryfrog:

why?

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metalac:

what's the point of recording and NOT watching if i'm there :)

[18:09:32]

fryfrog:

not much room to store recordings?

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kormoc:

it's not commflagged? :P

[18:09:47]

metalac:

no i got plenty of room

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fryfrog:

don't have any saved recordings?

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fryfrog:

:)

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metalac:

i do but what if i want to watch news, right this moment?

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fryfrog:

OHHHH

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fryfrog:

okay, news i can see watching live

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fryfrog:

but no, i suspect commercial flagging won't work on livetv

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kormoc:

meh, I watch my news time shifted, no reason to watch commercials! ;)

[18:10:52]

fryfrog:

i mean, first of all it'd have to have a big enough buffer to have seen the start *and* end of a commercial

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metalac:

yeah i tried it and it doesn't, so i wasn't sure if i didn't set it up right or not

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Zoohouse:

fryfrog, kormoc: So in this example: http://www.directron.com/mce303s.html I would used a Micro ATX motherboard such as: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813136146

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Zoohouse:

?

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fryfrog:

Motherboards: Micro ATX

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Zoohouse:

great

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fryfrog:

so as long as it is micro atx like it says, you are a-okay :)

[18:12:23]

Zoohouse:

nicee

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fryfrog:

160 bucks is a LOT

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fryfrog:

dear god, don't spend $200 on the case and then go with an old ass socket 370 ;p

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Zoohouse:

yea, ill keep looking for better priced cases

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Zoohouse:

:)

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Zoohouse:

just an example, just an example.

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fryfrog:

Do you plan on doing SD or HD?

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fryfrog:

ah

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Zoohouse:

HD

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metalac:

Zoohouse: what cpu?

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Zoohouse:

not sure yet.. somewhere down the lines of 1 gig? Im planning on using a hardware based encoder ( hauppauge)

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Zoohouse:

1 gig or less

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Zider:

"1 gig" says absolutely nothing about the performance

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Zider:

and it should be 1GHz ;P

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metalac:

i doubt you'll be able to do HD on that, SD no problem, but HD good luck

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fryfrog:

Zoohouse: "hardware based encoder" doesn't apply to HD, it is already *in* mpeg format

[18:18:11]

Zoohouse:

metalac: why?

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fryfrog:

Zoohouse: for HD, you need a *lot* of cpu to playback, very little to recrod

[18:18:30]

fryfrog:

Zoohouse: I would say something in the "3000" type range

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metalac:

Zoohouse: just like fryfrog said

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fryfrog:

ie, AMD64 3000+ or an Intel of similar speed

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fryfrog:

I *know* an Athlon XP 1400+ cannot do HD from personal experience

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fryfrog:

my AMD64 3000+ and also my dual Xeon 2.4ghz w/ HT does HD fine

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metalac:

and my 2800+ is no go too

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metalac:

need xvmc to run

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fryfrog:

Athlon XP though?

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Zoohouse:

HD = Hard decode?

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Zider:

I wonder if they're planning on using a more modern socket for the later C7 cpus

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fryfrog:

HD = High Definition :)

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fryfrog:

SD = Standard Definition

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Zoohouse:

i think im confusing the acronyms here

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fryfrog:

sorry, should have mentioned that

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Zoohouse:

hahaha

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opello:

don't forget ED

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fryfrog:

I can see H and S meaning "hardware" and "software" :)

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Zoohouse:

no no im doing SD

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fryfrog:

Enhanced? I don't think there are any cards that do it?

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fryfrog:

you either get SD or HD tv cards, afaik

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opello:

i'm not sure, but i think it's part of the standard

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fryfrog:

ED is a way for TVs to be sucky but not asstastic

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fryfrog:

right, ED is like 480p

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Zider:

sounds like SD

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fryfrog:

HD is 720p, 1080i, 1080p

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fryfrog:

SD is 480i

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opello:

320i is SD?

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Zoohouse:

fryfrog: Nice case for 50 bucks. Good price? http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.asp?I . . . 049%2D11%2Ej

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Zoohouse:

pg&Description=Athenatech+A202BB%2EL220+Black+Steel+MicroATX+Desktop+Compute r+Case+220W+Power+Supply+%2D+Retail

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Zoohouse:

eekk

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stuarta:

ouch !!!

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fryfrog:

I am not sure if 540p is SD, HD or ED :)

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fryfrog:

haha

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Zoohouse:

http://tinyurl.com/pe9nq

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opello:

http://tinyurl.com/pe9nq

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opello:

heh

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Zider:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hdtv

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fryfrog:

cases are a very asthetic choice

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fryfrog:

as long as you have *room* for the devices inside, you should be fine

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fryfrog:

keep in mind what you want to stuff in it and what you want to record, etc

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fryfrog:

IE, in my case I have two backends. One is a hoss server with a pair of air2pc HDTV cards (only get 6 QAM HD channels)

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fryfrog:

my slave backend is hooked to a pair of HD STBs by the TV

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fryfrog:

so, I could go TINY with the FE, but the BE has to be huge cause it has 5x 320G drives in it :)

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Zoohouse:

I just want to rec a couple of shows here and there. not much, maybe have a movie or 2.

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fryfrog:

So you are probably talking 1x ~320G drive

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fryfrog:

I'd suggest a pair of tuners, or a single PVR500 (if you are going SD)

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Zider:

"480p60 is considered enhanced-definition television (EDTV)."

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Juski:

go for something cool in the HDD bay – i.e. don't buy a Maxtor

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fryfrog:

Seagate, really its the only way to fly

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fryfrog:

5 year warrenty, reliable...

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Zider:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/480p

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fryfrog:

wish i hadn't gotten WD

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Zider:

seagate ftw

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fryfrog:

did it say anything about 540p?

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Juski:

seagate or samsung might be good choices

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fryfrog:

I think that must be HD, since 1080i is basically 540p

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Juski:

I use WD & Maxtor, but only because that's what I had lying around

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brotherJohn1234:

Hi. just a quick question, before i go to read all the docu: does mythtv work without a tv-card, only streaming media-files ( avi/mp3/mp4/jpg ) for the network ? is fast-forward for videos/mp3's on the remote client available ?

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fryfrog:

brotherJohn1234: mythtv would be a little over kill for that

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Zider:

fryfrog: don't you mena 576p?

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Juski:

brotherJohn1234: if all you want is media playback over a network there's no point using mythtv

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fryfrog:

Zider: no, 1080 / 2 = 540

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fryfrog:

Zider: 576p, maybe that is some not-ntsc/atsc resolution?

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Zider:

fryfrog: 540 isn't listed anywhere that I can see

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Juski:

brotherJohn1234: see Geexbox, freevo & suchlike

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Zider:

576 is EDTV too

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fryfrog:

Zider: afaik, only computers will do 540p :)

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Juski:

or hell even Elisa

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fryfrog:

ah, then 540p must count as EDTV

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fryfrog:

though it isn't used afaik

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fryfrog:

but for instance

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fryfrog:

if for *some* reason you want can't use 720p, only 1080i...

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brotherJohn1234:

but it works? (i'm liddle kind of geeky. )

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fryfrog:

the output from a computer doing 540p looks nicer

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Zoohouse:

fryfrog: the PVR500 is supported in Linux? I ask because I am reading an article that says that the MCE version of the Hauppauge 150 isn't too friendly.

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fryfrog:

Zoohouse: afaik, almost *any* PVR150, 250, 350 or 500 will work

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kormoc:

Zoohouse, the 150 and 500 both work under linux rather well

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fryfrog:

Zoohouse: its *possible* that if you get a *brand new* right off the latest redesign it might not work cause the tuner type changed

[18:28:24]

Juski:

brotherJohn1234: yeah but, you still need to use mysql for the system, which for simple video playback is way overkill

[18:28:34]

fryfrog:

but w/in a few weeks or so it'll be supported

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Juski:

samsung tuner issues are fixed, but you might have to do some patching & manual compiling

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kormoc:

fryfrog, I thought they fixed that already?

[18:29:54]

** Juski got a booklet though his door today announcing analogue TV will be switched off in 2009 **

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Zoohouse:

To rec one channel and watch another channel, I would need 2 sat boxes right?

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fryfrog:

kormoc: i'm sure they did

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fryfrog:

kormoc: but if he gets *unlucky* and they happen to do a slightly newer tuner and he gets one

[18:30:22]

Juski:

Zoohouse: yes, unless you just want to limit yourself to recording one & watching something you recorded earlier

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fryfrog:

kormoc: i'm saying that even if you have a *brand new* tuner that has only been seen in the wild rarely, it gets added quickly :)

[18:30:49]

kormoc:

fair nuff

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Juski:

if you could watch one thing & record another from the _same_ set top box that'd be more than just fucking amazing :)

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fryfrog:

Juski: In theory, you can from the DCT6412 series

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fryfrog:

Juski: they have two tuners *and* they have 2 firewire ports

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Juski:

yeah but that's about the only case where you can

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fryfrog:

but i just used it to daisly chain :/

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fryfrog:

i don't know if anyone has ever used both ports, any idea?

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Juski:

and in Europe it doesn't count since we don't have boxen with enabled firewire outputs

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brotherJohn1234:

Juski, thx for the answer. I already use mysql on my server. ** begins to read docu **

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fryfrog:

GF 6150 series from nvidia are decent, ya?

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fryfrog:

suckers :)

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Zider:

all nvidia cards are great ;)

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Zider:

I use a GF2MX

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fryfrog:

Ti 4200 here

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fryfrog:

in fact

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fryfrog:

it was running w/o the fan hooked up for like a week

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Zider:

fan? what's that? ;)

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fryfrog:

i took the thing apart to rmeove a firewire card and was like... oh shit, what is this fan wire hanging out :p

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Zoohouse:

Juski: I have 3 boxes but they are located in different rooms thorough out the house. how do I take care of that?

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Juski:

I ran my GF2 Ti without a fan for about 12 months.. then it just stopped working

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fryfrog:

Zoohouse: what do you mean?

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fryfrog:

I usually have 2 of everything

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fryfrog:

the GF4 Ti4200 that ran w/ a stuck fan for a year or so... it was fucked

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Juski:

Zoohouse: either put backends next to the boxen or get some kind of video & remote distribution set up

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fryfrog:

display was crazytarded :)

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fryfrog:

Zoohouse: can you explain what you mean?

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Zoohouse:

fryfrog: I have 3 sat receivers in my home, one in each room. Now I would like to stick mytv in one room but be able to rec a show while i watch another channel.

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fryfrog:

Zoohouse: ah

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fryfrog:

Zoohouse: here is what I would do, but its crazy

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Zoohouse:

heh

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fryfrog:

Zoohouse: Build one master BE/FE, probably in your least used room

[18:35:12]

fryfrog:

Zoohouse: put 3x pvr150s in it

[18:35:30]

fryfrog:

Zoohouse: bring *all* your sat boxes in there, hook them up via svideo to a pvr150 and use serial to change chanenls

[18:35:45]

fryfrog:

now, build anotehr 2 low-end ish frontends for the other rooms

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Juski:

fryfrog: bingo :) I'd do that aswell

[18:36:03]

fryfrog:

but that means you can *only* watch tv via myth

[18:36:10]

Zoohouse:

right

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fryfrog:

which might be a problem for some, maybe not

[18:36:17]

Juski:

no bad thing. bye bye livetv :-P

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Zoohouse:

my parents would freek... :)

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Juski:

Zoohouse: so get another sat box

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fryfrog:

the other option is 3 fe/be, 1 in each room

[18:36:47]

fryfrog:

put 1 of the pvr150s in each

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Zoohouse:

fryfrog: yea Juski made mention of that

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fryfrog:

they'll still all inter-communicate

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Juski:

but getting another satellite box might complicate your dish/LNB setup

[18:37:26]

fryfrog:

you coudl also just put 2 sat on a master, then use the 3rd sat for your parents

[18:37:26]

Zoohouse:

ahh... I guess ill settle for one be/fe and tell my mom not to tocuch the tv

[18:37:27]

Juski:

since you can't just use a splitter :-P

[18:37:46]

fryfrog:

make it WAF

[18:37:51]

fryfrog:

well, MAF

[18:37:59]

Zoohouse:

MAF?

[18:38:05]

fryfrog:

Once you have myth up and working, it is *very* user friendly

[18:38:10]

fryfrog:

WAF = Wife Acceptance Factor

[18:38:16]

fryfrog:

but you would be "Mom :)

[18:38:35]

Zoohouse:

how does it work?

[18:38:40]

fryfrog:

Looks like Tivo

[18:38:49]

Zoohouse:

never had tivo

[18:38:52]

Zoohouse:

:)

[18:38:54]

fryfrog:

get yourself a good universal remote and they won't know the difference

[18:38:58]

fryfrog:

ummm

[18:39:03]

Zoohouse:

hahaha

[18:39:05]

fryfrog:

Myth is meant to be controlled by remote

[18:39:08]

fryfrog:

there is no mouse

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Juski:

comparing mythtv to Tivo (tm, or we'll sue yo ass) isn't quite fair

[18:39:22]

Juski:

not fair on mythtv I mean ;)

[18:39:27]

fryfrog:

what i mean is that the UI is made to be used on a tv

[18:39:34]

fryfrog:

it is kind of not fair on both :)

[18:39:40]

fryfrog:

mythtv does way more than tivo

[18:39:44]

fryfrog:

but tivo is zomg easier to setup

[18:40:06]

fryfrog:

another thing to keep in mind is that your Myth system will *probably* end up costing more than a tivo/dvr from your sat co

[18:40:08]

** Juski played with $ky Plu$ at the weekend. really didn't like it. Bring up the TV guide... oops where's the TV audio gone? Slow UI too **

[18:40:16]

fryfrog:

unless its one of those DTV HD MPEG4 ones :p

[18:40:23]

Zoohouse:

the 3ed sat box isn't used much... I guess I can leave it rec. Ill just tell everyone to leave it alone.

[18:40:32]

fryfrog:

yeah, those PVRs have wimply cpus so the UI is slow

[18:40:50]

Juski:

UI looks like shit on a lot of standalone PVRs too

[18:40:59]

fryfrog:

Only Tivo has a decent uI

[18:41:07]

Juski:

tivo also has annoying beeps

[18:41:12]

fryfrog:

beeps?

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Juski:

what I heard.. 'audio feedback' when you press buttons

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afrosheen:

fryfrog, unless you buy a crazy expensive HD PVR for satellite :)

[18:41:31]

fryfrog:

ah

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Juski:

beep boop boop beep boop

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fryfrog:

i've never had a tivo :)

[18:41:39]

Juski:

(plop!)

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fryfrog:

afrosheen: 14:40 < fryfrog> unless its one of those DTV HD MPEG4 ones :p

[18:41:51]

fryfrog:

yeah, no kidding. $1k for it!

[18:42:10]

afrosheen:

1k for a machine that could be obsoleted soon is a ripoff

[18:42:13]

Juski:

that's nothing compared to what some eejuts pay for switching & distribution gear

[18:42:38]

fryfrog:

Juski: you mean a multiplexer?

[18:42:40]

Juski:

whole house audio.. oo I know I'll cable the whole house out with speaker cable

[18:42:58]

fryfrog:

what would be wrong with that?

[18:43:01]

afrosheen:

lol

[18:43:01]

fryfrog:

to small/thin?

[18:43:14]

Juski:

fryfrog: you mean, apart from having to dig holes in walls & floors ?

[18:43:15]

afrosheen:

unshielded..every speaker will turn into an AM radio

[18:43:21]

fryfrog:

ah

[18:43:25]

fryfrog:

ahah

[18:43:32]

fryfrog:

One day, I hope to build my own house

[18:43:36]

fryfrog:

that'd rule

[18:43:37]

Juski:

me too

[18:43:48]

fryfrog:

I'd do so many things differently :/

[18:43:49]

Juski:

cat6 cabling & a big fat node zero

[18:43:55]

fryfrog:

node zero?

[18:44:05]

Juski:

think _structured_ cabling

[18:44:10]

fryfrog:

ah

[18:44:13]

fryfrog:

like a patch rack

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Juski:

local amps & displays in every room

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fryfrog:

oh

[18:44:27]

fryfrog:

not what i was thinking :)

[18:44:28]

Juski:

and myth FE of course ;-)

[18:44:43]

fryfrog:

I'd have phone/cable/lan going from each room to a patch panel

[18:44:43]

afrosheen:

yeah cat6 stp/plenum is the way to go

[18:44:49]

Zoohouse:

fryfrog: I don't need any special vid card right?

[18:44:53]

fryfrog:

so it can be easily hooked up and swapped around

[18:45:00]

fryfrog:

Zoohouse: nah, anything GF4 or better is fine

[18:45:05]

fryfrog:

i'd strongly suggest nvidia though

[18:45:07]

Juski:

Zoohouse: for standard def. TV you'll get by with an FX5200

[18:45:08]

fryfrog:

for easyness

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fryfrog:

ZOMG!

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Juski:

actually no – scratch that – you'd do very well with FX5200

[18:45:40]

fryfrog:

Speaking of 5200, I can use that dual vga w/ svideo out for my parents!

[18:45:43]

Zoohouse:

Good. the vid card needs tv out right?

[18:45:53]

fryfrog:

Zoohouse: it needs what ever your tv has

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Juski:

my wife actually wants whole house audio at some point :-D

[18:45:59]

fryfrog:

svideo, rca, dvi

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fryfrog:

Juski: I think I'd rather have one of those mp3 thigns in important rooms

[18:46:24]

fryfrog:

let it read from a huge colelction

[18:46:29]

fryfrog:

so each room could listen to different shit

[18:46:35]

fryfrog:

well, some rooms :)

[18:46:43]

fryfrog:

i'd *future* proof my home :)

[18:46:51]

fryfrog:

use conduit instead of just running cables

[18:46:56]

fryfrog:

that way, if i need cat10e :p

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Juski:

fryfrog: that's what I mean...

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fryfrog:

a

[18:49:04]

fryfrog:

ah i mean

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fryfrog:

anyone on have a PVR500?

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fryfrog:

know if it has the same tiny IR input port as the 250?

[18:49:24]

Zoohouse:

Well, I need a vid card with tv out because the Hauppauge WINTV-PVR-150 PCI Interface Tuner Card has no tv out

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** Juski really fancies a couple of squeezeboxes... they're got da bling :) **

[18:50:04]

afrosheen:

Zoohouse, get a cheap nvidia 7300 card or whatever

[18:50:21]

afrosheen:

I think mine was ~$65 and has a composite breakout box for hd

[18:51:22]

fryfrog:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16856170001

[18:51:24]

fryfrog:

holey cow!

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fryfrog:

afrosheen: oh, hey nice!

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afrosheen:

fryfrog, not only that but nearly all DVI cards will take a dvi-hdmi connector, that's how my box is connected to my aquos

[18:53:19]

fryfrog:

afrosheen: same here :)

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fryfrog:

looks nice too :)

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afrosheen:

yeah if I didn't have overscan it'd be alot nicer but it's good enough

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Zoohouse:

S-Video is poor quality right?

[18:55:40]

afrosheen:

it's good quality for regular tv sets

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fryfrog:

Zoohouse: rca (composite), svideo, component, dvi/hdmi

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fryfrog:

thats the order of good-ness

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Juski:

one day I'll take a look at hacking the tvout registers on nvidia cards

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Juski:

saying that I can't remember if they allow you to centre the screen with their windows drivers either

[18:57:24]

Zoohouse:

let me go check to make sure my tv accepts s-video in :)

[18:57:51]

jaymode:

my edit option no longer works on my recordings and I have tried rerunning mythcommflag and mythcommflag --rebuild but neither has worked. Any other way to be able to edit recordings again?

[18:57:52]

Juski:

Zoohouse: svideo can be converted to composite with a simple $5 adapter... infact you normally get the adapter in the box

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fryfrog:

yeah, but rca is ugly :p

[18:58:49]

Juski:

depends on your TV

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Zoohouse:

Only has for coax and the vcr has rca

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Juski:

good excuse to upgrade the TV ;-)

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Juski:

hmmm.. does that soundbridge thing work with linux servers? don't wanna have to leave a winblows box switched on

[19:01:04]

Juski:

yay it does. I know where my xmas bonus is going!

[19:01:05]

Zoohouse:

What do you guys think about this vid card: http://tinyurl.com/h74nc

[19:01:36]

Juski:

Zoohouse: avoid cards with fan cooling if you want a quiet machine

[19:01:56]

Juski:

and you might want AGP instead ;-)

[19:01:58]

Zoohouse:

Juski: Cant you rip them off? j/k :)

[19:02:20]

Juski:

Zoohouse: sure, but not if you want the card to have a long lifetime

[19:02:25]

Zoohouse:

I don't know much about vid cards, why APG?

[19:02:40]

Juski:

Zoohouse: if your motherboard has an AGP slot, get an AGP card

[19:03:09]

Zoohouse:

Whats AGP?

[19:03:10]

Juski:

because if you get a PCI video card when you have an AGP slot, that's one PCI slot you've wasted – when you could one day fit another tuner card ;)

[19:03:43]

Juski:

what's AGP? Oh hell... AGP is a faster bus especially for VGA cards

[19:04:16]

Juski:

oldest machine I own has AGP, and that's getting on for 10 years old now I think

[19:04:27]

Zoohouse:

Here is anotherone: http://tinyurl.com/kn44u

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Zoohouse:

Juski: ah, I know what you are talking about now

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Juski:

Zoohouse: if your machine has AGP, it'd be a better choice than the last one but you prolly won't need 256MB RAM on it if you're not gonna be playing games

[19:05:47]

Juski:

64MB would be fine IMHO

[19:06:06]

afrosheen:

Zoohouse, hell no, not that card, the smaller the fan the louder the whine

[19:06:28]

afrosheen:

get a fanless card if you can

[19:06:32]

Zoohouse:

afrosheen: The last card I sent here has no fan

[19:06:48]

Zoohouse:

http://tinyurl.com/kn44u is fanless

[19:07:32]

Juski:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814125191

[19:07:42]

afrosheen:

if you're not gonna do HD, go for it

[19:07:53]

afrosheen:

ouch and it's PCI also

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Juski:

or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130210

[19:09:27]

afrosheen:

no hd there either

[19:09:42]

Zoohouse:

yea, im not doing HD for sure

[19:09:43]

Juski:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814145095 is the cheapest, and that'd do the job but may not have twinview (which you'd want if you wanna do dual-desktop stuff)

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metalac:

afrosheen: what do you mean no HD?

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metalac:

most people use 5200s for HD

[19:10:10]

afrosheen:

metalac, only a vga port, most hdtv's only have hdmi or component, not vga ports

[19:10:21]

metalac:

afrosheen: there is vga/dmi converters

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Juski:

metalac: depends if you want help decoding HD or not... 5200's ain't too hot for that apparently

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metalac:

my tv haas vga dvi and hdmi all doing hd

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afrosheen:

metalac, how old is it

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metalac:

bought it this summer before world cup started

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tam:

i know this is the wrong channel and all. i just can't for the life of me get mythtv working as it should and each time i reinstall i get different errors or problems. so what other alternatives are there to mythtv?

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afrosheen:

what brand/model

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Juski:

oo that Soundbridge thing is a rebadged Roku device.. nifty

[19:11:22]

metalac:

westinghouse's 42" 1080p tv

[19:11:25]

** Juski wonders if the Roku Pictbridge is available in the UK yet **

[19:11:26]

afrosheen:

tam: windows media center etc

[19:11:34]

tam:

afrosheen: non windows ;)

[19:11:51]

Juski:

tam: freevo, VDR. Maybe Elisa (very very alpha)

[19:12:03]

tam:

Juski: thanks for the suggestions

[19:12:12]

Juski:

I find mythtv easy BUT never got VDR or freevo to work

[19:12:22]

Juski:

bear that in mind ;-)

[19:12:27]

afrosheen:

yeah I use knoppmyth, it's brainlessly easy to get working

[19:12:39]

tam:

kaffeine works no probs, just don't see why mythtv always produces some problem or other

[19:12:53]

Juski:

of Freevo they say 'installs in 10 minutes'... they're not lying but it's the _configuring_ that takes the time

[19:12:55]

Zoohouse:

Juski: Any ideas of a mother board?

[19:12:56]

tam:

afrosheen: my usb dvb-t pen drive isn't supported under knoppmyth

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Juski:

Zoohouse: go for something that supports a CPU you can afford (not athlon XP) and has as many PCI slots as you think you'd need (minimum of 3 would be sensible)

[19:13:55]

afrosheen:

tam: are you sure

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Zoohouse:

Juski: should I go with intell or AMD? I would think Intell since they are cooler (heat wise) then AMD...

[19:14:06]

Juski:

tam: so try the hd drivers from linuxtv.org

[19:14:12]

afrosheen:

Zoohouse, actually they run hotter, even the core duos

[19:14:20]

Zoohouse:

yea?

[19:14:30]

Juski:

ANYTHING is cooler than Athlon XP

[19:14:37]

Zoohouse:

damn, all this time I thought AMD ran hotter

[19:14:39]

** tam goes to check out the drivers **

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ivor:

Zoohouse: it goes up and down. I think amd are cooler at the moment.

[19:14:51]

Zoohouse:

ah

[19:14:54]

afrosheen:

nope, amd64 won the crown and still holds it

[19:14:55]

Juski:

think, the hotter it gets, the more cooling it needs. more cooling == more noise

[19:15:02]

tam:

v4l-dvb is already installed

[19:15:11]

Juski:

tam: yeah but is it new enough?

[19:15:16]

Zoohouse:

ill go with AMDs since I tend to use them for all my home PCs

[19:15:22]

Juski:

tam: some of them USB TV sticks are nothing but a PoS

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** afrosheen agrees with Juski **

[19:15:36]

ivor:

whar

[19:15:40]

ivor:

oops

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ivor:

(typing one handed feeding baby!)

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tam:

Juski: it has worked under mythtv before

[19:16:18]

Juski:

note I said _some_ are... best to look at www.linuxtv.org's USB DVB tuner section of the wiki _before_ you buy

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Juski:

tam: maybe a newer kernel is all you need. knoppmyth don't use the latest, or even the last to latest...

[19:16:49]

afrosheen:

Juski, that's changing

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ivor:

i was going to say.. what are the hauppage mvps like as frontends... and wonder if/when they'll produce an hdtv one.

[19:16:54]

tam:

Juski: everything works with everything else...except (sometimes depending on method of install) mythtv

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tam:

Juski: i am using ubuntu

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tam:

dapper

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tam:

later kernel etc

[19:17:16]

Juski:

either a newer kernel, or the Hg modules from linuxtv.org

[19:17:37]

Juski:

tam: mythtv is easy on ubuntu if you stay away from 0.19 & 0.19-fixes

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tam:

Juski: both uptodate

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tam:

Juski: using 0.20 compiled from source

[19:18:16]

Juski:

tam: so what didn't work? did you test the tuner hardware with tzap etc ?

[19:18:36]

Juski:

no point giving up with mythtv if you don't know _why_ it didn't work ;)

[19:18:43]

tam:

Juski: yup, all the hardware works. well, when trying to setup a video source, it doesn't pick up the card..

[19:18:55]

tam:

it says device not found and doesn't even list it in the options anymore.

[19:19:07]

Juski:

tam: sounds more like a driver problem

[19:19:13]

tam:

Juski: the thing is...i've been trying for weeks

[19:19:20]

ivor:

tam: "all the hardware works" in what way? i.e what works.

[19:19:33]

tam:

Juski: but the drivers (firmware) works with mplayer + kaffeine

[19:19:42]

Juski:

don't even go near mythtv-setup until you've seen a picture in linux ;)

[19:19:47]

Juski:

right okay then

[19:19:57]

tam:

Juski: yup, it all works..

[19:20:04]

Juski:

it might even be a bug in mythtv, but if you don't report it nobody can fix it

[19:20:08]

tam:

i always do a kaffeine..

[19:20:30]

Juski:

so when you select the DVB tuner option in mythtv-setup it says it can't find it ?

[19:20:56]

Juski:

that isn't likely to happen, unless something else is using it

[19:20:59]

tam:

Juski: yeah

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tam:

Juski: that is a fair point

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** tam turns off eastenders :p **

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tam:

via kaffeine

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ivor:

all the dvb devices exist in /dev and are readable by the user you're running mythtv under?

[19:21:59]

ivor:

run with verbose logging and see if any errors appear

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** Juski should be doing something right now but can't remember what.... **

[19:23:17]

ivor:

ooh cup of tea materialises...

[19:23:25]

ivor:

grand

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** stuarta has cup of tea & chicken in yellow bean sauce... **

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ivor:

sweet and sour pork here.

[19:24:36]

tam:

still the same

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** Juski had chicken thai curry with noodles earlier **

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** stuarta cooked it himself **

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** ivor didn't **

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** tam tries with binaries **

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** Juski 's wife had cooked it :) **

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Juski:

wagamama cookbook <8

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tam:

thats the way it should be :)

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zoibee:

hi, i`m trying to upgrade from 0.19 to 0.20, but mythtv-database failed to install because it cant get access to the database

[19:26:37]

ivor:

tam: were the permissions ok? did anything get logged?

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tam:

ivor: perms OK but didnt do logging. it just doesnt see the usb card for some weird reason

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Juski:

had an amazing thai meal on Friday night at the place the wagamama founder started up after selling wagamama.. tasty didn't get a look in!

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zoibee:

i have tried to install the package with dpkg-reconfigure --force and setting the password, but it still complains...

[19:27:34]

ivor:

tam: what device does it show up as in /dev ?

[19:27:44]

Zoohouse:

Juski: What do you think about http://tinyurl.com/z4x54

[19:27:47]

tam:

adapter0 and adapter1

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tam:

ivor: ^

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Zoohouse:

it only has 2 PCI slots though...

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ivor:

tam: /dev/dvb/ etc

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Juski:

Zoohouse: avoid toy motherboard with only 2 PCI slots.. you never know when you'll want more than 2 tuners

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tam:

ivor: yeah,s orry, they reside in there

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Zoohouse:

Juski: So whats a good buy? What are you using?

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** tam is make uninstalling **

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antiProzac:

what is the differenace between mceusb and mceusb2 ?

[19:29:48]

Juski:

Zoohouse: erm... Gigabyte Ga7VX I think

[19:30:12]

Juski:

but it only accepts up to Athlon XP/Sempron.. sucky sucky

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tam:

does anyone know of a reliable place with myth 0.20 ubuntu binaries?

[19:30:27]

afrosheen:

anything full size ATX from Gigabyte, Tyan...

[19:30:28]

tam:

or even a repo

[19:30:29]

Anduin:

antiProzac: They support different devices.

[19:31:09]

roe_:

when running mythflix.pl script does anyone else get or have gotten a "status 501" error?

[19:31:13]

Juski:

tam did you do --enable-dvb when you ran ./configure ?

[19:31:15]

antiProzac:

ok, I bought a Hauppauge PVR x50. It came with a USB IR transeceiver and a blaster that plugs into that. Anyone know how I should compile lirc?

[19:31:29]

ivor:

tam: I'd stick to the source.

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** Juski agrees with ivor **

[19:31:54]

tam:

Juski: i didn't..thanks for poitning that out..

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tam:

ivor: will do for the moment

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tam:

last time to do it as i am heading for nightshift shortly

[19:32:16]

ivor:

tam: and check that configure says its enabled dvb

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Juski:

tam: not sure if dvb is enabled by default or not.. I just do that out of habit anyway

[19:32:24]

Zoohouse:

How is this one, Juski? http://tinyurl.com/lyww9

[19:32:41]

afrosheen:

antiProzac, huh..they're coming with usb receivers now?

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tam:

ivor: it is

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tam:

Juski: good tip hehe

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tam:

brb

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Juski:

Zoohouse: hrm... don't rate SiS chipsets too highly. plus it has sucky onboard video you don't need or want

[19:33:30]

tam:

oh one more question. would it be possible to do most of the configuring via terminal?

[19:33:39]

Juski:

tam: not really

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** Juski uses VNC for that **

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Anduin:

afrosheen: the MCE + remote one does

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tam:

Juski: i work on solaris boxes all day/night..vnc is a bitch

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tam:

but i might just do it tongiht

[19:35:55]

Juski:

tam: vnc == better than nothing

[19:36:06]

Juski:

and cheaper (for me) than a KVM switch

[19:36:08]

tam:

Juski: your making a lot of good points :p

[19:36:29]

ivor:

he always does.

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ivor:

he's a smartarse.

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Juski:

not always...

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tam:

ivor: lol

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tam:

Juski: just try #:p

[19:36:53]

Juski:

I have my moments

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tam:

bagpuss_thecat is a smartarse :)

[19:37:34]

roe_:

anyone use the mythflix plug-in?

[19:37:41]

Juski:

I tried to be 'catbert' last Friday but the server wouldn't let me!

[19:37:51]

Zoohouse:

Juski: Here is one with no vid and no SIS: http://tinyurl.com/gpmxw What do you think?

[19:39:32]

Juski:

good chipset... never had any experience with intel... and I'm not a motherboard expert. infact I find the whole motherboard/CPU choice thing completely confusing

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Zoohouse:

:(

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Juski:

I was looking for something to replace in my backend the other week & got really frustrated very quickly

[19:41:07]

stuarta:

foxconn boards are okay. basic, nothing special

[19:41:30]

ivor:

Juski: I just move upgrade my main desktop and use the old one as the backend each time.

[19:41:40]

stuarta:

i've a 2yr old one. only issue I have really is it insists on sharing interrupts I don't want shared

[19:41:47]

Juski:

ivor: too expensive for me. and still fucking confusing

[19:41:51]

antiProzac:

whats the magic command to find out what your kernel is compiled with? ldd?

[19:41:59]

antiProzac:

ldd /boot/vmlinuz ?

[19:41:59]

stuarta:

uname

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stuarta:

uname -a

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antiProzac:

I want to know what compiler version

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antiProzac:

gcc 2.96a, 3.4 or 4.0

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kraut:

does anybody know, what causes this error?

[19:42:40]

kraut:

X Error: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation) 11

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kraut:

Major opcode: 140

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kraut:

Minor opcode: 19

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kraut:

Resource id: 0x0

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stuarta:

try dmesg or /var/log/dmesg

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Juski:

ooo yeah I should be working on the banners & stand artwork

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stuarta:

ooo, how's all that going?

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Juski:

pretty good

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Juski:

got all the names down apart from Kelerion's... so his badge might have his IRC nick as his surname unless he gets in touch before the badges get printed

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ivor:

antiProzac: cat /proc/version

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antiProzac:

thanks

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Juski:

stuarta: and cesman is coming to help out too :)

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stuarta:

cool

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antiProzac:

ok I have lirc_mceusb2 working perfectly with the Phillips SWK remote that came with it. Anyone know where I should look in setting up the blaster that came with it?

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** stuarta starts his paperwork... **

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Juski:

stuarta: reckon this will be good enough to print, nice & big? http://www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/images/newlogo.png

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stuarta:

oooo, swanky

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Juski:

case badge too... http://www.juski.co.uk/casebadge1.png

[19:51:11]

Juski:

404.. oops

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stuarta:

:)

[19:51:29]

Juski:

http://www.juski.co.uk/newcasebadge1.png

[19:51:48]

stuarta:

nice

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antiProzac:

oh crap. I just read the mceusb2 blaster is not supported by lirc(at least not as of 0.8)

[19:52:19]

Juski:

just have the artwork to supply for the posters now, and the stand-up cards describing the stand hardware

[19:52:45]

Juski:

the promo vid might need a tweak or 2 aswell but hey...

[19:52:59]

ivor:

damn, you're organised.

[19:53:23]

Juski:

ivor: that's the general idea :)

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fryfrog:

antiProzac: for kernel version compiled with, try "modinfo" on a module built around the same time

[19:53:45]

fryfrog:

antiProzac: or did you already figure it out?

[19:53:56]

antiProzac:

still soaking it in

[19:54:10]

antiProzac:

oh fryfrog, I got past that hurdle, thanks

[19:54:37]

antiProzac:

I'm on to trying to get this cursed MCE blaster to work, I think it is a lost cause though

[19:55:19]

Juski:

actually if UK peeps wanna cast their critical (easy on the critical) eye over this I'd appreciate it... http://www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/videos/LWmythpromo.mpg

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** Juski realises he shoulda done a smaller version :-P **

[19:56:45]

stuarta:

crap. or done a bt :)

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ivor:

200mb! feck.

[19:57:14]

Juski:

took less time to upload than it would take to re-encode it in mpeg4

[19:57:24]

Juski:

on this box anyway

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** scopeuk will let you know in an hour **

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ivor:

Juski: nice, thats very sexy.

[19:57:52]

scopeuk:

bloody bandwidth caps

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** Juski chuckles **

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scopeuk:

they have access to 4 gig/s internet connection why the hell am i limited to 512k

[19:58:34]

** stuarta hits 340k/s **

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fryfrog:

hey, nice badge

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ivor:

scopeuk: they hate you.

[19:58:50]

scopeuk:

ivor i know that

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scopeuk:

havent even had chance to give me reason to yet

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stuarta:

ivor: who you with?

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Juski:

I know mythtv is 'only' an OSS project but I reckon it deserves a 'professional' approach to promoting it

[19:59:06]

opello:

Juski: any idea when you'll get some badges?

[19:59:11]

ivor:

stuarta: nildram.

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Juski:

opello: about a week after I order em

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opello:

heh

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fryfrog:

what is it?

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stuarta:

never heard of em. wonder who they wholesale from

[19:59:30]

fryfrog:

a commercial?

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Juski:

reckon they'll be about 1 GBP plus P&P

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Juski:

fryfrog: promo video (ish)

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

500k/sec to home at least :)

[20:00:11]

Juski:

something to play on a loop at shows & crap

[20:00:18]

fryfrog:

ahhh, cool!

[20:00:19]

ivor:

Juski: theres no cute chicks in the promo.

[20:00:31]

fryfrog:

I might show my parents, before I give them their mythbox

[20:00:36]

ivor:

are you going to have booth-babes instead?

[20:00:36]

Juski:

ivor: not owning a camcorder & a consenting wife.. erm...

[20:00:37]

opello:

what?! *cancels download*

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fryfrog:

wait wait, the naked chicks in it aren't cute???

[20:01:09]

Juski:

I could only afford chromakeyed fat chicks

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stuarta:

hehehe

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fryfrog:

life sucks, then you die :(

[20:01:20]

ivor:

fryfrog: wrong download.

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fryfrog:

man, fucking firewire is going so awsome!

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fryfrog:

it looks so much better than the cable box did over RCA

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fryfrog:

prolly looks nicer than via svideo too

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Juski:

oh yeah I was working on making a 3d animated mythtv logo last week before I lost killed so many braincells at Bloomsbury Bowling on Friday night

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Zoohouse:

fryfrog: What type of hard drive would you use?

[20:03:03]

fryfrog:

what'd you do, hit yourself with a bowling ball?

[20:03:06]

ivor:

Juski: what software do you use?

[20:03:21]

Juski:

at this point ivor, I keep quiet

[20:03:26]

fryfrog:

Zoohouse: I would purchase the best GB/$$ Seagate you can find. Last I looked, it was 320G for about $100

[20:03:32]

ivor:

ah. like that. :D

[20:03:35]

Juski:

Hony Hegas

[20:03:41]

stuarta:

what's that broadband test site?

[20:03:42]

Juski:

<cough>

[20:03:43]

ivor:

say no mare.

[20:03:48]

Zoohouse:

fryfrog: 7200 is ok?

[20:03:49]

fryfrog:

dslreports.com?

[20:03:57]

fryfrog:

7200 is probably the only thing you'll find

[20:04:07]

Juski:

ivor: show me an OSS app that'll let me do that vid & I'll use it

[20:04:07]

fryfrog:

maybe pick one of the new "perpindicular recording" seagates

[20:04:26]

** Juski counts down the days til he gets hold of the new Hitachi 1TB model for testing **

[20:04:31]

fryfrog:

i think they are quieter and cooler (due to having fewer or smaller heads)

[20:04:35]

** scopeuk loks on in envy **

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fryfrog:

bastard

[20:04:41]

opello:

Juski: oh? how's that?

[20:04:41]

fryfrog:

do they really have 1TB drives?

[20:04:47]

scopeuk:

there not far off

[20:04:49]

Juski:

Q4, 2006

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fryfrog:

he's probably sleeping with a hitachi ceo :p

[20:05:01]

ivor:

Juski: I've been meaning to try a few out. theres supposed to be some quite good oss vide apps.

[20:05:05]

Juski:

I get 4 in the next 14 days or so

[20:05:10]

fryfrog:

i just hope for his sake that he isn't too ugly :p

[20:05:14]

fryfrog:

WHAT??

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fryfrog:

4x 1TB drives????

[20:05:20]

ivor:

just need a project to motivate me though.

[20:05:21]

opello:

Juski: why's that?

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scopeuk:

what are you meant to do with them

[20:05:24]

Juski:

fryfrog: not _I_.. work

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fryfrog:

ah

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opello:

still

[20:05:44]

Juski:

I have to qualify em for use in our products

[20:05:45]

Zoohouse:

whats Perpendicular Recording?

[20:05:52]

fryfrog:

my 5x 320G raid5 penis just wilted :(

[20:05:54]

Juski:

Zoohouse: google

[20:05:58]

ivor:

Juski: anyway.. I was curious what 3d app you meant actually.

[20:06:00]

fryfrog:

Zoohouse: a new technology :)

[20:06:14]

Juski:

ivor: I tried Blender last week... couldn't fathom it for love nor money

[20:06:25]

scopeuk:

Juski you and everyoneelse

[20:06:32]

fryfrog:

Anyone watching any good shows?

[20:06:32]

scopeuk:

blender is an art form in its own right

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Juski:

so I'm back to my demo version of Cinema 4D

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scopeuk:

god knows how they do some of the stuff they do on burp with it

[20:06:42]

fryfrog:

Heroes and Jerico are pretty sweet so far

[20:06:52]

ivor:

heh I hated cimema4d when I tried.

[20:06:58]

Juski:

got the logo made.. just need to light, texture & animate it ;)

[20:07:08]

ivor:

got the hand of max quite quickly.

[20:07:26]

Juski:

and figure out how to get the cloud video loop into the background so the text can be all shiny & reflect it ;-)

[20:07:52]

Juski:

all this for a 2 second DVD intro.. pfft

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Juski:

anyway.. time for a bit of RnR.. back in a bit

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ivor:

I thought this was RnR....

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scopeuk:

Juski some how done with blender http://burp.boinc.dk/session.php?id=121

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ivor:

Juski: hmmm wonder if it's possible to convert the promo to a more web-friendly format.

[20:12:01]

ivor:

would be excellent have some of those tutorials on the myth site.

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srm:

hi, finished building release-20 frontend and backend on OS X 10.4.8 now, where to start to tell mythtv to use _my_ hardware, for the normal setup just presents the 3 tuners (dbox, net-device, ...) i know that backend is not for os x, but now, that i made this step, i'm looking for information how to manage the next steps to success ;)

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antiProzac:

anyone in here happen to get the MCE USB Blaster to work?

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srm:

mm..nothing, no hint ... :/

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srm:

have to go posting to the list/forum i guess, hum? baba

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jduggan:

what's the best card to use for tv-out?

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jduggan:

all the nvidia range use the same tv-out?

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Zider:

tv-out chip you mean?

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jduggan:

yea

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kormoc:

with-in the same generation, aye

[20:42:36]

kormoc:

well, usually

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jduggan:

well im having issues with my tv-out which worked fine in windows

[20:43:03]

kormoc:

I like a 5200+

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jduggan:

there's a blue line up the right hand side right on the edge

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jduggan:

and also across the top of the tv

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Zider:

I can't get the same perfectly matching overscan size with the gf2mx that I get with the gf6600gt.. pity.. :/

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Zider:

jduggan: I get that too, but only when playing movies

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SharksRule:

anyone have problems transfering recorded programs from mythweb to their computer?

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SharksRule:

i can transfer a 1.1gb show, but when i try to transfer an 8+gb hockey game

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SharksRule:

it will only send like 500mb

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jduggan:

Zider: indeed, and when making TV fullscreen

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jduggan:

this happen with you?

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Zider:

jduggan: I don't have a working tuner card so I dunno :P

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jduggan:

ok

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jduggan:

i wonder what causes it?

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jduggan:

have you looked into it?

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Zider:

no, I haven't

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Zider:

I don't get the effect on my other system using the same movie player

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Zider:

loads better card tho

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jduggan:

so you think it could be the card?

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jaymode:

anyone ever need to rebuild their database completely because you can't seek or edit?

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Zider:

looks that way.. or just something with the driver/player that doesn't like the card..

[20:49:32]

SharksRule:

my first install of mythtv i couldnt rewind/fast forward correctly

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Anduin:

jaymode: The most you should need it a table repair + mythcommflag --rebuild

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SharksRule:

whats commercial flagging do?

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Anduin:

It flags commercials.

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jaymode:

Anduin: i have done that, restarted everything and I can still not edit or fast forward without getting errors

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SharksRule:

does it mess up the rewind/fastforward commands?

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jaymode:

i have done mysqlcheck and everything comes out as OK

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Anduin:

jaymode: and your table check shows nothing? drive isn't full (the one with the DB)?

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jaymode:

nope

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SharksRule:

how come under job queue it will say like "Mon 10/9 8:30 AM – The Colbert Report – Flag Commercials" when i have flagging commercials off

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jaymode:

i have over 200gigs free

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Anduin:

jaymode: and you did the --rebuild?

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hatredx:

Anyone know of any bugs that prevent a negitive number for priority?

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slide:

Has anyone tried getting transcoding to xvid working using this tutorial, http://www.knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=XviDEncoding ;? It doesnt work for me

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hatredx:

anything below -1 = 0 on apply

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jaymode:

i did both the --rebuild and regular mythcommflag

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SharksRule:

if i hit auto-transcode, what will it transcode the program to?

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antiProzac:

depends, rtjpeg or mpeg4

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antiProzac:

mpeg4 is decoded by the same algorythm as xvid/divx

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slide:

can it not auto do xvid? only mpeg4?

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SharksRule:

does the mythtv already include xvid?

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antiProzac:

I beleive the default is mplayerhq's mpeg4 encoder, not xvid

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slide:

any way to change that? this script im using is giving me tons of errors i have no idea how to fix heh

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antiProzac:

mpeg4 is extremely similiar to xvid. same endevours

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SharksRule:

ugh... i'd do it on my main computer

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slide:

yea but xvid has smaller files, right?

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antiProzac:

xvid, weapons of mass video(WMV) and DIVX are all mpeg4

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SharksRule:

but mythtv wont give me the whole program!!!

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SharksRule:

anyone know how to fix it?

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slide:

right, but some are better than others hehe

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antiProzac:

xvid has a serparete encoding procedure than all the rest(each has their own) xvids are extremely sharp(so you can encode with a lower bitrate(smaller file) and get great results

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antiProzac:

oops... forgot the closing )

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antiProzac:

xvid is ass slow

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jduggan:

Hauppauge Wintv Pvr 150 Mce Mediacenter/tv And Fm Tuner With Hardware Mpeg2 Encoder Composite S-video Capture <--that card well supported in linux?

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antiProzac:

the card is yes,

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SharksRule:

no one has an answer for my "8 gig show" only transfering 500mb?

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nordle:

hello, whats the lines paste limit in here? I ask because I was hoping someone using xine as their myth player might run this on their database: select value, data from settings where value in ('GalleryMoviePlayerCmd', 'mythdvd.DVDPlayerCommand', 'TitlePlayCommand', 'SubTitleCommand', 'VideoDefaultPlayer') order by value;

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nordle:

I have put my entries in, just curious as to what others use.

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Juski:

nordle: use a pastebin.. you know, like it says in the welcome message...

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scopeuk:

Juski the promo is great

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Juski:

SharksRule: maybe it's a limitation of the network share or whatever.. dunno – didn't scroll back

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scopeuk:

makes me wanna rush out and upgrade my myth box to a useable point

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Juski:

cheers scopeuk :)

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slide:

yay i think i got transcoding to xvid working :)

[21:08:00]

scopeuk:

gonan ahve to purchase myself a dvb card soon

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nordle:

Juski: I dont want to paste my lines :) Although I will if someone wants to see them, k

[21:08:13]

scopeuk:

gonan lvie in my pc at uni till christmass then is will go into the myth box

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nordle:

doh didnt finish typing ignore the "k"

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** Juski laughs. that DVD my tivo-owning workmate made isn't a 'proper' DVD **

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slide:

transcode to xvid going at 16fps hehe

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SharksRule:

juski

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nasa:

Howdy, when I try and play audio out of mythtv (music/recorded video) I am getting a lot of buzz (or some other white noise) from my right speaker and good sound from my right. When I play audio via mplayer (as the user that's running mythtv) everything sounds fine. What gives?

[21:08:59]

nordle:

Juski: this keyboard is sooo small, i keep hitting the wrong keys :)

[21:08:59]

SharksRule:

i can get like 1.1gb shows

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SharksRule:

and such

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Juski:

you can degrade video real-time if you watch it through thick glass, so why bother with xvid? ;-)

[21:09:11]

SharksRule:

but when i try to get an 8 gig show, it only sends like 600mb

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slide:

degrade? lol not

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Juski:

SharksRule: sounds like a filesystem limitation.. you using NFS or samba?

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nordle:

I used to like xvid, but straight mpeg4 gets around 90fps which is much better! :)

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slide:

plus, 600mb is a lot better then a couple of gigs

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slide:

xvid is smaller

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Juski:

slide: xvid sucks if you don't do it multipass though

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SharksRule:

idunno what NFS or samba are...

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Juski:

as does mpeg4

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SharksRule:

im using mythweb to try to grab the file from my mthbox onto my windows computer

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Juski:

SharksRule: what are you trying to xfer the files from and to ?

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slide:

well, ill probably use multipass

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nordle:

not by much, not to justify taking 3–4times longer

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Juski:

SharksRule: that'd be a limitation of apache then

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stuarta:

Juski: sure you aren't in marketing???

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Juski:

stuarta: fairly positive :)

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nasa:

btw: I am using optical spdif on a nforce4 mb — and yes I have been looking here:

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nasa:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Enabling . . . SPDIF_output

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SharksRule:

apache limits the size?

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stuarta:

you make video's worthy of a marketing department...

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Juski:

stuarta: I almost got the job of making the company's corporate video (so I was told by a manager)

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Juski:

stuarta: cheers. felt like I've been in the wrong job a while now

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SharksRule:

why can i get like a 1–2 gig show, but the 8 comes out being 500–600mb? wouldnt it still be 1–2 gig's (or whatever the max is)

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Juski:

SharksRule: apache, less than a certain version has a limit of 2GB

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Imaginativeone:

I've been in the wrong job for 13 years

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Juski:

stuarta: tbh I've looked at getting into video editing etc professionally but if I believe what I've seen, I'm too old to start as a teaboy & work my way up

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nordle:

Fine quality for lowdef TV around 75–90fps, single pass..... time mencoder dvd://1 -dvd-device /dev/hdc -ffourcc DX50 -forceidx -fps 25 -oac mp3lame -lameopts abr:br=160:aq=2 -ovc lavc -lavcopts threads=2:vcodec=mpeg4:vbitrate=1600:keyint=100:mbd=0:v4mv=1:trell=1:aspect=16/9 -vf scale=480:384 -o out.avi

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scopeuk:

Juski start part time doing weding videos

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Juski:

course I could always get myself some bulletproof bullshit deflectors & try weedling my way into the company's dept...

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stuarta:

snazzy video that's for sure....

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Juski:

I just looked at the old one & thought it blew

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Juski:

I'm the sad bastard who takes DVD menus to bits to find out how they did stuff

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Juski:

SharksRule: google for this.. apache 2GB limit

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stuarta:

why not. somebody has too...

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stuarta:

damn i'm sick of this paperwork....

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Juski:

bugger. this tivo sourced DVD works fine but not in xine

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Juski:

never known xine not play a dvd

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zoibee:

does anyone here know how i can get mythstream to work in 0.20?

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kormoc:

zoibee, you can edit the code to get it to work

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Juski:

zoibee: that's the $64,000 question. the answer is.. speak to the author I expect

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Zider:

zoibee: I've struggled with that too.. either I'm incredibly stupid or the code has changed somewhere ;)

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Juski:

first place I'd look (if I cared) would be the original installer to see how it patches the mythweb code

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SharksRule:

so mythtv has an older version of apache?

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kormoc:

SharksRule, mythtv doesn't have apache at all

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Juski:

then look at how the mythweb code has changed, zoibee

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kormoc:

SharksRule, it all depends on your distro

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SharksRule:

i have the newest one

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SharksRule:

newest myth

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scopeuk:

yes but distro

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kormoc:

SharksRule, that's not your distro

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scopeuk:

what linux distro are you running

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Juski:

SharksRule: sounds like you need to look into Tapeworm. best thing for mythtv on windows since erm... since winmyth

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** Juski suspects knoppmyth **

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scopeuk:

juski lol

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kormoc:

SharksRule, myth is just a program that runs on a distro

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SharksRule:

hmmm

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scopeuk:

and hters nothing wrogn with knoppmyth

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SharksRule:

i have whatever distro comes on the newest knoppmyth then ;)

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scopeuk:

in which case your distro is knoppmyth

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kormoc:

SharksRule, your distro is knoppmyth

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Juski:

so you have whichever version of apache that ships with knoppmyth

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SharksRule:

lol

[21:20:02]

SharksRule:

in unison!

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Juski:

not mythtv's fault, nor knoppmyth's

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Juski:

hmmm if mrs juski is gonna want to watch this Richard Hamster programme I'm gonna have to rip it

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** scopeuk regreats taking nano to his apatche log file **

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SharksRule:

so is there an easy way to upgrade apache or mythweb?

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nordle:

lirc and xine, I read that I should change the keymappings of xine. But do I still not have to create a load of xine settings in lircrc aswell anyway? Why bother changing the mappings first, why not just edit lircrc?

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SharksRule:

or a way to break down programs in less than 2 gig files

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Juski:

SharksRule: get Tapeworm man

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scopeuk:

im on an older version of knopp but its runnign 1.3.33

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Juski:

Tapeworm != windows mythtv frontend, but lets you watch recordings on a windows box without any problems :)

[21:24:08]

SharksRule:

will it transfer it tho?

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scopeuk:

if you jsut wanan transfer over a network look up udpcast

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kormoc:

you could just use myth-rename.pl and samba...

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Juski:

with Tapeworm you don't even _need_ mythweb

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SharksRule:

i dont care about watching

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SharksRule:

just want the file transfered

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Juski:

so set up samba & use mythrename.pl

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Juski:

like this ... mythrename.pl --link /destination/directory

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Juski:

and it'll make some symbolic links with pretty, readable names

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SharksRule:

ugh :O

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SharksRule:

u know of a place explaining how to set up samba

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Juski:

google

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scopeuk:

on knopp its very easy and on the wiki

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Juski:

or the knoppmyth wiki

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sphery:

SharksRule: or something like http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/mythlink.sh

[21:35:14]

SharksRule:

iunno what that is or how i'd get to it from the linux box

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scopeuk:

sharks ruls

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scopeuk:

su

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sphery:

It's just a script that calls mythrename.pl to make several different "views" of recordings sorted by different criteria

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SharksRule:

its so hard to see the desktop on the linux box

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scopeuk:

SharksRule run /etc/init.d/samba start as root

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scopeuk:

easiest from cli

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Juski:

ssh into the box :-)

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SharksRule:

i have to do that everytime my box restards too?

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scopeuk:

ctl+alt+F1

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scopeuk:

SharksRule there is a more perminent fix

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Juski:

SharksRule: no you can add it as a default service

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scopeuk:

update-rc.d samba defaults

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scopeuk:

and you only haveto do it once

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SharksRule:

lol

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scopeuk:

http://knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=UsingSambaHowTo

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SharksRule:

thx for helping me guys

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SharksRule:

i appreciate it

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scopeuk:

np

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SharksRule:

wait

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SharksRule:

so i can access my mythtv

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SharksRule:

and do all this stuff

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SharksRule:

from my windows machine?

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Juski:

yeah the only problem is.. appreciation != beer

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scopeuk:

Juski think i still ow you if i ever get roudn to going to lug we'll remedy it

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scopeuk:

SharksRule you'll be able to access the fiels from your windows box

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scopeuk:

files*

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Juski:

scopeuk: well well well... I've been thinking about the possibility of going on a tour

[21:37:59]

scopeuk:

let me know if your going through sheffield

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Juski:

thing is, after the LW expo I'm gonna be super, majorly skintos

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scopeuk:

lol

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** Juski remembers a famous quote from Sir Bob Geldof ;-) **

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scopeuk:

does it involve the words it and fuck in no particular order

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SharksRule:

so if i type this as su "update-rc.d samba defaults"

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SharksRule:

samba will start

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SharksRule:

every time

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scopeuk:

yes

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SharksRule:

and i will have no more problems?

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SharksRule:

the world will be saved?

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scopeuk:

shouldetn have any major issues

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Juski:

scopeuk: nah.. it's the "send us all your fucking money NOW!"

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scopeuk:

lol ok

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SharksRule:

then after samba is up... i just use my network places on windows

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SharksRule:

to grab the files?

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scopeuk:

yeh

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Juski:

pretty much

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SharksRule:

sweet

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scopeuk:

it might ask you for a user and pass first tiem you try and access mythtv

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Juski:

though windows is pretty retarded about that sometimes

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SharksRule:

which would be SharksRule / poopdeck32

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scopeuk:

mythtv being whatever you called your box

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SharksRule:

the same as my email sharksrule@gmail.com

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SharksRule:

?

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scopeuk:

id go for mythtv/mythtv

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Juski:

I always find a \ip.add.re.sssharename works better than trying to browse it

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scopeuk:

always a good option with knoppmyth

[21:41:03]

scopeuk:

Juski i jsut set it to be in my workgroup

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SharksRule:

;) im kidding, those arent my acct names or passwords. was expecting u guys to go insane for giving out my pw

[21:41:11]

scopeuk:

hell i can brows the samaba share from uni

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scopeuk:

SharksRule how many prats you think we see each day ;-)

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scopeuk:

Juski before you pass comment its via a vpn solution

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SharksRule:

k brb, gotta go grab a keyboard and run to my living room

[21:41:59]

scopeuk:

do it over ssh

[21:42:12]

SharksRule:

?

[21:42:15]

SharksRule:

whats that mean

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Juski:

scopeuk: it's in my network thingy too but sometimes it doesn't work. nm though.. in 3 or 4 years time Linux desktop apps might be nice enough for me to ditch the win

[21:42:36]

scopeuk:

http://the.earth.li/~sgtatham/putty/latest/x86/putty.exe

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scopeuk:

thats putty a windows ssh client

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scopeuk:

you open that then put in your myth boxes ipaddress

[21:42:52]

Juski:

SharksRule: means log into the machine over a secure shell connection (i.e. a command line interface)

[21:42:56]

SharksRule:

so i can do it right now?

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scopeuk:

you can then get a console over the network

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kormoc:

SharksRule, ssh allows you to remotely get a shell on a remote computer

[21:42:59]

SharksRule:

from my windows?

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scopeuk:

SharksRule yes

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SharksRule:

sweet

[21:43:15]

SharksRule:

i hate typing into my tv

[21:43:18]

SharksRule:

cant read anything im typing

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scopeuk:

im controllingmy mythbox from about 50 milles away right now

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SharksRule:

hmmm

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SharksRule:

wut do i do besides putting in the ip address

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scopeuk:

then click conenct

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Juski:

I had to download putty yesterday to enable me to log into my box & allow my mate's IP address into mythweb... I really wish someone had cleared their search history first

[21:44:06]

scopeuk:

it wil lcome up and ask you for a user name and password

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scopeuk:

Juski eew?

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SharksRule:

and login as:

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scopeuk:

well your user name

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SharksRule:

whats the default name? mythtv?

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scopeuk:

mythtv

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scopeuk:

mythtv

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scopeuk:

user and pass

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SharksRule:

sweet

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SharksRule:

im in

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scopeuk:

or ifyour feelign naughty you can log in as root

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Juski:

scopeuk: not quite eew but it was an eye-opener

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SharksRule:

muuuuuuuch love man

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SharksRule:

ive been dragging a keyboard in and out

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SharksRule:

of the living room

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SharksRule:

sometimes a 21" CRC monitor

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scopeuk:

ssh is the gift of the gods in this situation

[21:45:30]

SharksRule:

u just saved me from frustration

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Primer:

I'm trying to get mythtv working with lirc. My lirc worked fine under freevo, and I can see all events in irw...perhaps the ~/.lircrc is not correct? In the examples, I see prog = irxevent, as well as prog = mythtv...which is it

[21:45:36]

kormoc:

correction: ssh is the gift of the gods

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Primer:

neither seem to work

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Primer:

?

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SharksRule:

crap

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alieas:

SSH and MythTV are a match made in heaven :)

[21:45:48]

SharksRule:

i dont know my su password

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scopeuk:

its your password

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scopeuk:

try mythtv

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scopeuk:

or is that sudo

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SharksRule:

got it

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kormoc:

Primer, lircrc for mythtv isn't ~/.lircrc, it's ~/mythtv/lircrc

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SharksRule:

root@mythtv:/home/mythtv#

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scopeuk:

nice

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SharksRule:

is that what its supposed to look like

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kormoc:

Primer, erm, make that ~/.mythtv/lircrc

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SharksRule:

in su mode

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scopeuk:

yup

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SharksRule:

ok cool

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scopeuk:

you are tempererliy root

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SharksRule:

do i need to do this first: /etc/init.d/samba start or just update-rc.d samba defaults

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Juski:

nobody make jokes about rm -rf /

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Primer:

kormoc: ahhh excellent, thanks

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scopeuk:

SharksRule jsut teh second one

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scopeuk:

update-rc.d samba defaults

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SharksRule:

and im done?

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** kormoc recommends everyone types nohup rm -rf / RIGHT NOW! *don't actually do it* **

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SharksRule:

close this?

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scopeuk:

open my computer

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scopeuk:

before you close it

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scopeuk:

we might have to start samab now and it will do it auto after restart

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SharksRule:

not found

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Ediehow:

hi, can anyone help me with an ir blaster?

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SharksRule:

do the first command?

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scopeuk:

right now runthe first one

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scopeuk:

yup

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Ediehow:

all that works is the "info" command

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SharksRule:

alrighty

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SharksRule:

im in

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Magec:

Hi, im having problems with mythfilldatabase, seems to ignore my timezone. I guess the problem is with the xml format, cause mythfilldatabase keeps saying Ignoring empty timestamp... any idea?

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SharksRule:

thanks a BUNCH

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scopeuk:

SharksRule have fun

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SharksRule:

do i just hit the x on putty?

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SharksRule:

or do i need to type some commands

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scopeuk:

exit

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scopeuk:

techinically

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scopeuk:

thogu hthe xwill work fine

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scopeuk:

its better to terminate the sesion good habits and all

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scopeuk:

exit twice becosue your in su

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SharksRule:

ty :)

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Magec:

CTRL-D

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SharksRule:

there needs to be a putty thing in the beginning of all the wikis

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SharksRule:

that would have saved my neck a few pains

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SharksRule:

laying on the floor

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scopeuk:

Magec same deal

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SharksRule:

where are the recordings usually found?

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kormoc:

SharksRule, it's considered one of the basics of linux administration, and thus assumed covered

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alieas:

yeah, SSH is real common

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coshx:

in case i mess up setting up lvm, is there a way to just specify multiple locations to keep the files?

[21:51:58]

scopeuk:

SharksRule myth

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SharksRule:

knoppmyth + putty = heaven. the first time i used that wilson (?) guide for fedora core. i did everything like it said and nothing worked

[21:52:43]

Magec:

Does mythfilldatabase actually uses the value of TimeOffset?

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alieas:

I'm getting some horizontal tearing about 10% down from the top of my screen ever since I re-compiled my kernel with SMP support...

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scopeuk:

SharksRule jsut brows around then myth folder youl find em or there is anotehr command (on knoppmyth wiki somewhere) to make it put them into pretty with descriptive names

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kormoc:

alieas, you can try disabling acpi and/or apic/lapic and see if that helps at all

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SharksRule:

cannot copy the file, not enough disk size. hahha ... at least its trying to send the whole 8 gigs now

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** scopeuk remebers samab doesent liek ebign piped thoruhg a 100k conenction when there are alot of files **

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** robbins876 remembers samba doesn't like scopeuk **

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Primer:

Is there a list of all possible lirc configurable keybinds/events? Looked at the lirc wiki page, and couldn't find anything

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zoibee:

wii, mythstream is working :P

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Primer:

the mythtv lirc wiki page, that is

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scopeuk:

robbins876 its runnign through vpn tunnel off an under powered system on an internet connectio nwit hcrpa upload

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scopeuk:

ok im tired my typos are getting worse

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scopeuk:

im going to bed

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scopeuk:

night all

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kormoc:

Primer, the binds you can use would be in your lirc.conf

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alieas:

kormoc: will try that tonight thanks!

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kormoc:

you're welcome

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Primer:

kormoc: I'm looking for the keybinds and what they do

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Primer:

so I can associate IR events to them

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kormoc:

Primer, there's a keys.txt file with myth that lists all the keys myth uses

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Primer:

kormoc: ok, I'll look for that, thanks again

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kormoc:

you're welcome

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** tam is back...went to the gym and now in work for nightshift **

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kormoc:

tam, thanks for the update, we were all on the edge of our seats wondering what you were up to.

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tam:

kormoc: surely not... :p

[22:12:15]

tam:

right, back to trying to fix this mythtv debarcble

[22:12:17]

slide:

If i tell myth to transcode a show to mpeg4, does it remove the old file and replace it with the new one?

[22:14:15]

kormoc:

slide, it can, if you tell it to

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slide:

k

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slide:

How do I run a queued item? The script it was trying to run wasnt working but ive fixed it now

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Juski:

shit. wayyy past my bedtime. g'night all

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stuarta:

night

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slide:

or how do i clear the queue?

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bagpuss_thecat:

tam is a coq

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Primer:

checking the keys.txt, it recommends that I "add an explicit keybinding for 'Play' through the MythWeb keybindings page, returning you to normal speed if you are in slow-motion, rewind, fast forward or pause mode". Is there no key that already does this?

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Primer:

I didn't plan on setting up any web frontends

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kormoc:

Primer, you can tweak the DB by hand if you want

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Primer:

kormoc: well, I'm comfortable with that, but I wouldn't know where to look

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Primer:

I'm only using myth for playback, btw

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Primer:

I just want more than what freevo had to offer

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Primer:

oh, and to play with the SIP client

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Primer:

seems there's a key editor I never say in setup...

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fryfrog:

is there a lirc channel? #lirc isn't it

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fryfrog:

or does anyone know about lirc and serial port dongle things?

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kormoc:

you could join it and see if it's a good channel or not

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fryfrog:

i've modprobe lirc_serial and it "autodetects" a reciver even if it isn't attached

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fryfrog:

kormoc: right, that is what i did

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slide:

Is myth-frontend the only way to edit everything? Is there no console app?

[22:41:03]

fryfrog:

i used my digital camera to see if the remote was sending ir

[22:41:04]

fryfrog:

it is

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fryfrog:

but the sensor doesn't seem to pick anything up

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Primer:

lirc is a bitch some times

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fryfrog:

if i just load normal serial drivers and plug the dongle in

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fryfrog:

then cat /dev/ttyS0 while pressing some keys

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fryfrog:

would that ... do anything?

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kormoc:

slide, you can telnet to the frontend and run commands that way

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Primer:

fryfrog: you need to ensure the serial port is in the proper mode

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slide:

kormoc, yea i am ssh'd in, but well, is there a list somewhere of commands to do certain things?

[22:43:52]

fryfrog:

the "set serial" thing?

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Primer:

fryfrog: pre-install lirc_serial /bin/setserial /dev/ttyS1 uart none

[22:43:55]

Primer:

options lirc_serial io=0x2f8 irq=3 sense=1

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Primer:

is what I have

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kormoc:

slide, not ssh to the machine, telnet to the frontend, see http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-11.html#ss11.6

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slide:

k

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nordle:

Is anyone using gxine? and lirc with it?

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fryfrog:

Primer: i'm not even loading the serial port modules, should I?

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kormoc:

fryfrog, to access serial ports, you sorta need the serial port drivers...

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Primer:

fryfrog: lirc_serial should dep on serial support

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Primer:

fryfrog: dmesg | grep -i tty

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Primer:

if you have it in the kernel

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fryfrog:

i was rmmoding them

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Primer:

otherwise you need to load 8250

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fryfrog:

cause the lirc_serial didn't like it :)

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Primer:

heh

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fryfrog:

lemme redo

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slide:

kormoc, hrm, i can't get connected. I don't have a monitor even connected to the machine so maybe mythfrontend isnt runnning

[22:49:11]

nordle:

its ok, I've found the example file now, it did not get installed but its part of source archive.

[22:49:15]

Basstard`:

argh, i dont like deciding what dist.. ubuntu or fedora? ..with K8NGM2-FID

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kormoc:

Basstard`, 6 of one, half a dozen of the other

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nordle:

Basstard`: wow, you not decided yet! flip a coin :)

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kormoc:

and what in gods name is a K8NGM2-FID ?

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nordle:

MSI board

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Basstard`:

aye

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nordle:

nforce 430

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kormoc:

well, why bother saying that then?

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kormoc:

it's not like it's gonna work in one and not the other

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Basstard`:

well i dunno.. many ppl say it works fine in fedora.. which brings me to suspect it doesnt work in another dist.. for some reason

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kormoc:

they all use the same kernel, which means the same drivers...

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nordle:

kormoc: not strictly true, they have different audio and nic onboard, thats why I went with gigabytes i965 not asus, because if different on board nics, one worked with linux the other (at the time) did not.

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kormoc:

nordle, that's not saying that they'll work in ubuntu and not in fedora or the other way around

[22:52:25]

kormoc:

nordle, I'm saying that if it works in one, it'll work in the other one, might require a little tweaking, but it's not like they'll support different hardware...

[22:53:13]

nordle:

kormoc: oh no, exactly, its more a case of it will either work with any distro of last 6mths or it wont work with any at all.........man im slow typer, iwas half way though this when your reply came up, I agree totally what your saying.

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fryfrog:

FUCK YEAH~

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fryfrog:

thanks Primer

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nordle:

there was a stick, and I had a firm grasp of the wrong end as usual :)

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kormoc:

heh, no worrys

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nordle:

PS. I vote Slackware but with 2.6.18.

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kormoc:

I'm a gentoo guy personally

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nordle:

kormoc: gentoo does pop up quite a lot when googling for mythtv stuff ive noticed, WAY more than anything else.....actually the only other I've seen is knopmyth and fedora....not that it means much.

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Primer:

fryfrog: np

[23:02:50]

Primer:

can't get MythPhone to register with my asterisk

[23:02:55]

Primer:

it never even tries

[23:03:21]

Primer:

tcpdump shows no packets coming to my asterisk box, yet siplog.txt shows it trying to register

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Primer:

hrmm, I see packets leaving my box though

[23:06:36]

Basstard`:

so uhm, what's the smallest dist to use to get mythtv running?

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kormoc:

Basstard`, smallest? DSL might be up there, tho you'd need to do a ton of work to get it running

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Basstard`:

meh

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kormoc:

http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/

[23:08:36]

kormoc:

tho, really, you could go with floppix and then do a ungodly ton of work to get myth working, but that's rather small

[23:08:40]

Primer:

ahhh there we go

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Basstard`:

ok, easy too..

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kormoc:

Basstard`, knopmyth is rather commonly used as easy/small

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Basstard`:

and it's well updated?

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nordle:

Basstard`: ubuntu is only 1 CD, and I've seen several installs of it (contrary to what I said earlier) eg .http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=579

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Primer:

speaking of gentoo, I wonder if gentoo added the runmythfe script

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Primer:

because that script sucks in the way it has "DISPLAY=:0.0" hard coded in it

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kormoc:

Primer, you mean the single line bash script that runs the FE forever?

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Basstard`:

yeah ive tried ubuntu, just would like to see if there are better ones for this purpose

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Primer:

and doesn't check if DISPLAY is already set

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Primer:

kormoc:

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Primer:

if ! pgrep mythfrontend >& /dev/null ; then

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Primer:

DISPLAY=":0.1" mythfrontend 2&> /dev/null &

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Primer:

fi

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Primer:

err

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Primer:

I changed mine

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kormoc:

Primer, the one that went out with 0.19 didn't have DISPLAY hard set, but in anycase, I just wrote my own

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** kormoc shrugs **

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Primer:

kormoc: I'm just annoyed that it took me a while to figure it out

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kormoc:

I have it checking for X as well as the frontend

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Primer:

that it was a script

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Primer:

heh, I plan to start myth from startx

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Primer:

I only wish I could have myth do ONE last thing: NOT have P be play/pause, but only play

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Primer:

when I'm watching a video, and I fast forward, hitting play again pauses it

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Primer:

then I have to hit it again to play

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fryfrog:

Is there a list of all the mythtv "config" options for lirc?

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fryfrog:

ie "config = N"

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fryfrog:

or, is that basically just all the keyboard shortcuts?

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fryfrog:

and if so... there has to be a list of those!

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tam:

darn, i knew i should have enabled ssh :(

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Primer:

fryfrog: keys.txt

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fryfrog:

thanks

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Primer:

fryfrog: I'm woking on this too

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kormoc:

Primer, I think mine is done that way to be honest...

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Basstard`:

ok, another easy question: os hd with win/linux.. to share music/movies/games on another hd.. i have to use what filesystem?

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Primer:

kormoc: I'm still having problems with lirc

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Primer:

can't make it do exactly what I want

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fryfrog:

I wonder why this TechniSat remote maps the vol/prog up/down keys to the same ones as the menu

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kormoc:

Basstard`, you don't. you use something like raid or lvm/evms

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kormoc:

Basstard`, and then you put a filesystem ontop of the virtual device

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Basstard`:

well i want to keep them seperate

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kormoc:

then why ask what you asked?

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Primer:

this is strange...trying to play a video through myth which presumably spawns mplayer, and it fails. Playing the same video in mplayer works fine

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Primer:

does myth embed mplayer somehow?

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kormoc:

Primer, no, it doesn't

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kormoc:

myth has it's own video player

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Primer:

then perhaps its own video player isn't working, plus its output is the same as mplayer's?

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Primer:

I'm running mythfrontend directly, and I see mplayer-like output

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Primer:

and the video doesn't play

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Primer:

but the same video run from the command line works fine

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kormoc:

mplayer and myth both use libavcodec

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Basstard`:

kormoc: what filesystem should the media hd be so windows, and linux, can read it?

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kormoc:

Basstard`, ooh, fat32 is the best choice

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kormoc:

Primer, you can set mythvideo to use mplayer as the video player if you choose, or xine, or any other player you want

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Basstard`:

yeah, as i suspected.. eww

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kormoc:

Basstard`, blame MS on that one

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Basstard`:

i blame you, you gave me the answer!

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Primer:

kormoc: I noticed that avi was set to "default player", whereas mpg was not

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Primer:

this file that's not working is .avi

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Ediehow:

hi

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Ediehow:

can someone help me with ir blaster setup?

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Ediehow:

only the info command does anything

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gandalfcome:

I run mythfilldatabase --manual and besides other output I got these things: config file /root/.mythtv/.xmltv does not exist, run me with --configure

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gandalfcome:

I ran ...

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fryfrog:

man, this technistat remote is useless :p

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Aid`:

omg

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Aid`:

i have .18 of mythtv

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Aid`:

i installed mytharchive

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fryfrog:

you old school!

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Aid`:

and now my mythtv system doesn't work

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Aid`:

and now i can't tune into anything

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fryfrog:

i think mytharchive is for 0.20, no?

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gandalfcome:

do you have by any chance ubuntu Aid` ?

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Aid`:

gandalfcome: debian

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Aid`:

but still i need this to work

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Aid`:

and i can't figure out whats wrong

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gandalfcome:

you used a repo? you can use that one deb http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1 dapper main

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gandalfcome:

deb-src http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1 dapper main

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gandalfcome:

perhaps it works with debian

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Aid`:

brb

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gandalfcome:

fryfrog, do you have any clue with this: config file /root/.mythtv/.xmltv does not exist, run me with --configure

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gandalfcome:

it shows up when I run mythfilldb --manual

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fryfrog:

Man, I have Hilfe, TXT, STOP, EXT, A/B, -/-- buttons with no idea what to assign them :/

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fryfrog:

gandalfcome: sorry, i use data direct

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Aid`:

the

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fryfrog:

did you try creating it? or doing the --configure like it says?

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Aid`:

The server uses network protocol version 31, but this client only understands version 26. make sure you are running compatible versions of the backend and frontend

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Aid`:

i didn't upgrade any backend

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Aid`:

all i did was install mytharchive

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gandalfcome:

running configure on what. mythfilldb doesnt have an option like this

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Aid`:

so am i just screwed? should i just reinstall debian from scratch?

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Anduin:

gandalfcome: It is complaining about xmltv related things

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hot_wheelz:

Hi does anyone here have have a mythtv using Ubuntu 6.06.1 a Asus P5B,

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hot_wheelz:

Asus 7300GT, Hauppauge Nova – T 500 Dual Digital PCI housed in a silverstone lc16m by any chance?

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gandalfcome:

Anduin, I installed xmltv but it doesnt work, i cant run it

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fryfrog:

Aid`: update everything to 0.20

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fryfrog:

or revert to a backup

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fryfrog:

mytharchive is i'm 98% sure a 0.20 module thing

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Aid`:

backup?

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Aid`:

lol

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Primer:

ok, how does one make myth always use mplayer for video? it seems its internal player can't handle certain media

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kormoc:

Primer, assuming you mean mythvideo, you set it as the default player in the frontend mythvideo setup

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Anduin:

gandalfcome: Yeah, it has been a few years since I ran it so I can't really help much.

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gandalfcome:

thanks I think it something to do with tv_grab, thanks anyway

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Primer:

kormoc: I've been all over the frontend config...it's not quite obvious what one should do...but I'll keep at it

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Anduin:

Primer: You can set the player where you set the file types

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Anduin:

Primer: Setup -> Media Settings -> Video Settings -> Player Settings (and File Types)

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Primer:

yeah, I've checked all to be "default player", which seems to be mplayer

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