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Thursday, October 5th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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CCFL_Man_:

woo

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CCFL_Man_:

you have a copy of it you can give to me?

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CCFL_Man_:

the bios

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GreyFoxx:

nope

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CCFL_Man_:

i'll look on the net

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CCFL_Man_:

i bet it's copyrighted, bla, etc

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CCFL_Man_:

http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df-ex . . . mp;prdmap=44 <---this the driver?

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GreyFoxx:

yes and no. So far I've had no luck using 5.1. I think everyone is using 5.0 for now

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GreyFoxx:

http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/msntv/

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GreyFoxx:

I haveit there

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Fnc:

my myth box just died

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Fnc:

it was working powered off

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CCFL_Man_:

ahh

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Fnc:

then when i go to boot it up, i get crazy hdd activity, but no disk spin

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Honk^gone:

buy a new hd =)

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Fnc:

anyone ever seen anything like that?

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Fnc:

no hdd attached

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Fnc:

im wonderin if the ps +5 or whatever may have died

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CCFL_Man_:

GreyFoxx: i'm gonna get my hands on a mythtv now

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CCFL_Man_:

err

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CCFL_Man_:

msntv2

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Fnc:

grey needs to quit telling people.. hes driving the prices up up up

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GreyFoxx:

I don't care,I have mine :)

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Fnc:

heh

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Anduin:

They are the most exciting when you don't have one anyway.

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** sphery just crashed mythbackend during recording when he was in the wrong directory trying to install mythplugins to test a change... **

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** Anduin only copies the plugin.so to prevent that **

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antiProzac:

lirc has a lircd.conf file for the remote that came with my PVR150. Is there a mythtv lircrc file anywhere for this? or do I need to generate one from scratch

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nordle:

I put a cd in, it sais do you want to play music, yes, it shows no playlist, so click 3 to make one, hover over cd and nothing happens. No cddb/freedb lookup occurs, meaning I can choose tracks and play cd. So click back, but having no playlist causes the play screen to freeze, then its game over.

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kormoc:

need to generate one if it's not on the wiki on in xvn

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Anduin:

antiProzac: mythtv/configfiles has a natvie example

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nordle:

** sorry "meaning I can chose tracks == meaning I cant choose tracks"

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sphery:

Should have just copied the .so. Running make install from the mythtv directory while mythbackend is running is Not Good.

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CCFL_Man_:

should i nfsroot on the msntv2?

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kormoc:

sphery, why?

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sphery:

kormoc: because it crashed mbe while I was recording two shows--so I miss part of those shows... :(

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kormoc:

sphery, heh, I ment more why did it crash it :P

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sphery:

replaced the libs while it was running?

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sphery:

I'm guessing.

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kormoc:

well, that's the thing, it shouldn't have mattered

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kormoc:

the standard unix way is when a lib is loaded, it loads it up into memory and the running process references the memory, not the one on the disk

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kormoc:

hence why I'd be curious to know why replacing them would matter.

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sphery:

but the ldconfig in the make install doesn't mess that up?

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kormoc:

not at all

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kormoc:

that doesn't touch the copy in memory

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antiProzac:

im using 320x240 for giggles with hardware encoding for video and audio. I'm getting near 1GB per half hour. why the heck is it so large

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kormoc:

antiPosix, change the bitrate

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GreyFoxx:

antiProzac: IT's the bitrate, not the resolution that defines size

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antiProzac:

ah

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GreyFoxx:

and 2G per hour is pretty standard

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antiProzac:

its an extremly low end myth box on an extremly crappy TV, with a halfway decent signal

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sphery:

So, kormoc, have you ever tried a make install with a backend running?

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antiProzac:

I would be happy with 1GB per hour

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kormoc:

sphery, aye, I do it all the time

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Aid`:

how can i specify bitrate on a DVB-S?

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kormoc:

sphery, currently my mythbox is running 0.20 in memory, and on disk is a svn checkout of a few days ago, I just haven't restarted the backend or frontend to use the newer code

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GreyFoxx:

Aid`: You don't

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GreyFoxx:

You aren't encoding anything withg dvb. You are just capturing it

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GreyFoxx:

It's already encoded when transmitted

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sphery:

So, what if some of the libs hadn't been loaded into memory, yet?

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sphery:

Is that possible?

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Aid`:

GreyFoxx: so i dont really need to transcode, besides the commercials?

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GreyFoxx:

Aid`: Well, that depends on your purpose of transcoding

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GreyFoxx:

transcoding will usually result in a smaller file than the original

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Aid`:

to reduce size and get rid of commercials

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Aid`:

but the quality still good

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kormoc:

sphery, not really, unless some strange hacks to make it happen

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sphery:

Hmmm.

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sphery:

Don't know why it does it, but it always has since I first started playing with Myth.

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kormoc:

huh

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sphery:

I did have some changes in the version I installed...

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sphery:

No messages in the logs.

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sphery:

Just up and dies.

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** sphery has an interesting new puzzle to put together... **

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sphery:

Thanks for the challenge, kormoc. Something new to figure out/learn.

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kormoc:

heh, you're welcome

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Aid`:

Avada Kedavra!

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kormoc:

I'd love to hear what you come up with

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kormoc:

as if my understanding is wrong, I'd love to know :P

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Aid`:

kormoc: probably not

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Fnc:

dammit

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Fnc:

looks like my cpu

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scott_:

hello fox news channel

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feld:

http://techreport.com/reviews/2006q4/albatron . . . index.x?pg=1

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feld:

MiniITX Amd64!

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feld:

eat that VIA

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GreyFoxx:

Nice

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Honk^gone:

kinda expensive for a mobo

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CCFL_Man_:

yeah

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siXy:

pity it doesn thave a hmi port, really

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siXy:

*hdmi

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GreyFoxx:

do any board have that ?

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GreyFoxx:

I've only seen dvi->hdmi cables, butnever a hdmi port on a motherboard

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siXy:

yeah theres a really nice abit one that does

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fryfrog:

really?

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fryfrog:

does it output audio over it like hdmi supports?

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siXy:

the only abit motherboard that ive liked for years :)

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fryfrog:

know the name?

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fryfrog:

what cpu is it for?

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siXy:

http://www.abit.com.tw/page/uk/motherboard/mo . . . obile+Socket

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Fnc:

only hdmi cards ive seen

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siXy:

its for mobile yonah chips

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Fnc:

are video

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Fnc:

thats cool

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Fnc:

how much those run?

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fryfrog:

wow, and lame at the same time :p

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siXy:

probably the best htpc motherboard availiable at the moment, imo

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fryfrog:

intel integrated graphics??

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kormoc:

woah, that mini-itx has dual nics

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Fnc:

heh

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siXy:

kormoc – yeah but the hard ware accle one it 100mbit and the cheap marvel one is 1gbit – whats with that??

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Juski:

re. OMG is that the time? eek!

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kormoc:

that's strange

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siXy:

also no azalia audio. via do an epia borad that you can plug s479 cpus into, which is probably better unless you really want a monster cpu

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Fnc:

hurry juski your missing lost

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** Juski goes more slowly in that case **

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siXy:

heh

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Juski:

I dunno if it's just me or not, but I watched 20 mins of one episode & felt like putting my foot through the TV

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Fnc:

anyone ever seen an error code, where the hdd led just blinks, with no post?

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Juski:

Fnc: time to dig out old sensei BIOS HDD LED flash key guide

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djc:

Alo. was wondering if anyone knew why if I run mythfrontend on the master backend machine, the program ('video source') data shows just fine in the program guide, but if I run it on a non-master, all I get is 'unknown's

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Juski:

though if the HDD is broken, maybe it's holding the motherboard in reset... seen that before

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siXy:

yeah i have a seagate that does that

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kormoc:

or it could be a bad power supply that can't give enough juice to spin up the drive

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Fnc:

cant find... code for this mb

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djc:

what mb?

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Fnc:

its just rapid flash

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Fnc:

msi neo 4 platinum

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kormoc:

what is?

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djc:

never heard of a mb using the hdd led for errora

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djc:

try unplugging the hd?

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kormoc:

yeah, it wouldn't

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Fnc:

all devices unplugged

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Juski:

actually the MB can't... that signal is driven by the HDD

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** kormoc nods **

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Fnc:

tried different harddrives, i have a ton...

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siXy:

tho a fried voltage reg on the mb might make that happen

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djc:

well, it could if it was driven by an oboard ide chip

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Juski:

maybe the PSU is goosed

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Fnc:

hmmm theres an idea

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djc:

try *no* harddrive?

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Fnc:

i pulled out the volt meter, get 5 and 12 volt ok

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djc:

in fact unplug everything except the power, powerswitch, and speaker

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Fnc:

pulled the fan on the cpu... its cold

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djc:

pull all the cards out

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Fnc:

no speaker...

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djc:

disconnect all the drives

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Fnc:

did that...

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djc:

mb's use speaker beeps for errors

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djc:

hook speaker

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Fnc:

my guess is cpu, ps, or mb

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siXy:

check the 4-ping 12 plug, also check 3v voltage

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Fnc:

not sure if i have one anywhere... case doesnt have one... its a silverstone...

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djc:

the internal speaker, i mean. not soundcard speakers

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kormoc:

too bad the amd msi mobos don't have port 80's

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djc:

Alo. was wondering if anyone knew why if I run mythfrontend on the master backend machine, the program ('video source') data shows just fine in the program guide, but if I run it on a non-master, all I get is 'unknown's

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Fnc:

how do you check 3volt?

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Fnc:

sitxy: not sure what the 4-ping 12 plug is?

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siXy:

fnc – what cpu are you using?

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Fnc:

its a 939 amd

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Fnc:

athlon 64 x2 3800 939... fairly certian thats what it was

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siXy:

ok. near the cpu itself there should be a 4ping square connector similar to the large atx power connector

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Fnc:

tried that... it moved the meter...

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siXy:

and thats plugged in?

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kormoc:

moved it to what?

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Fnc:

the big atx or what ever... its called now adays... had far to many wires for me to be tring to figure out what to plug the volt meter into

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kormoc:

and did you ever try booting with 0 drives?

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Fnc:

yeah

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djc:

by 4 ping you mean 4 pin?

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Fnc:

no post

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djc:

i was assuming that was a typo but it kept repearing

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kormoc:

Fnc, that's why you look it up

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Fnc:

with 0 drives hooked up, no cd/dvd nothing

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kormoc:

http://xtronics.com/reference/atx_pinout.htm

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djc:

do you have an internal speaker connected, did it give any beeps?

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kormoc:

Fnc, you can turn on the PS without it hooked up by shorting pins 14 with a ground (like 13)

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Fnc:

nope.. no speaker.. case doesnt have one

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kormoc:

and then take voltages off of it at your leasure

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djc:

if not, hook it up, if you dont have one get one, every mb ive ever worked with uses speaker beeps to report errors

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Fnc:

yeah... its a fancy silverstone... didnt figure id ever need one

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kormoc:

Fnc, touch your tounge to where the speaker should plug in, and count the number of shocks you get!

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Fnc:

i missed the days when i worked on stuff, and had a work bench and boxes of stuff.. so easy to figure out what was broke

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Fnc:

my head wont fit in the case

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djc:

take it out of that case.. heck id try that anyway, might be a mounting post is shorting something

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Fnc:

ill pull a speaker from an old lab pc at work tmo i suppose...

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djc:

was it working previously and it just stopped working?

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Fnc:

its been running for like 4 months... would doubt its just short out

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djc:

shrug

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Fnc:

yeah last night... it powered down, for no reason... then today... did it once before then nothing

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djc:

Anyone know why if I run mythfrontend on the master backend machine, the program ('video source') data shows just fine in the program guide, but if I run it on a non-master, all I get is 'unknown's

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Fnc:

but the fans that are plugged into the mb, and that hdd led

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kormoc:

to me that points to the power supply's 5v rail dieing

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kormoc:

you should jump the PS like I said and test all the rails off of the AXT connector

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Fnc:

i mean the fans and the led are the only activity that i see

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kormoc:

Yeah, they all run off of the 12v rail

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siXy:

djc – yeah i meant 4 pin :) i have dyslexic fingers

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kormoc:

hence why I think the 5v rail might be dead

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Fnc:

if i use the volt meter on the red and black i get 5v... wouldnt that indicate its working?

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Fnc:

im not much on the volt meter...

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djc:

there are multiple sources for each volt level

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siXy:

Fnc: not nececarily.

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kormoc:

Yeah, if they share the same rail in the PS itself

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djc:

so some might be working, others not

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Fnc:

is that what gets to the cpu the 5v

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Fnc:

?

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kormoc:

that's what mostly powers the motherboard, yes

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Fnc:

ok

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kormoc:

the 3.3 is also used a lot on the motherboard

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siXy:

yeah 3.3 powers a lot of stuff

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Fnc:

the 4 pin... gets juice it seems

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siXy:

fnc – check 3.3 and 5v

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Fnc:

on the 4 pin? they both seem to be alright

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siXy:

all the wires in the atx plug tbh

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siXy:

nah the big one

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Fnc:

ah ok

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djc:

no one has any ideas on my program guide problem?

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siXy:

what problem?

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siXy:

ah ok

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** siXy scrolls up **

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djc:

ive been going over the setup howto, trying to find if I goofed a step or something somwehere

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djc:

also perusing the sqldb to see if something seems out of place there

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djc:

so far nada.. the non-master machine frontend just seems to completely ignore the info, or not even try to look for it

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siXy:

djc – have youtryed running fill database on the remote fronend?

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regicide666:

is the date correct

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djc:

well, yes, *but* the docs say specifically NOT to do that

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djc:

and, let me check the date

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djc:

DOH

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djc:

2001

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regicide666:

if the date is looking to far in the future or past you will have no data

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regicide666:

lol

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siXy:

ahhhh;)

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djc:

ok lemme fix that and see if that helps

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regicide666:

always start with the simple solution problems

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kormoc:

ntp for the win!

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djc:

grr

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regicide666:

yea I have my hole network sync clocks with my file server with ntp

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djc:

i start ntp, the servers are defined, and its not changing the date

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kormoc:

ntp takes awhile to sync and all that jazz

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kormoc:

leave it go for awhile

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djc:

ok, got it now

[01:44:24]

djc:

there we go.. just a little bit better

[01:44:26]

djc:

sheesh

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djc:

ok.. now I just gotta hook up the tvcard -> soundcard cable

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djc:

then run 100foot of cat5

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djc:

so I can put this upstairs..

[01:45:41]

djc:

and then sort out some sort of remote.. im thinking a cheap wireless kb might be to my liking

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siXy:

yeah i cant imagine myth works well over wireless

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kormoc:

djc, I'm a huge fan of the mceusb2 remote

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siXy:

djc – logitech harmony remotes re nice

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djc:

well, im on a budge of 0

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djc:

so even a wireless kb may be beyond

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djc:

I wonder how far you can extend the ps/2 kb signal

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siXy:

a long way. you can run ps2 over cat5.

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kormoc:

djc, the remote I love is only $35 or so http://www.pcalchemy.com/product_info.php/products_id/130

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djc:

does that include the ir pickup at the pc end?

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kormoc:

aye

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kormoc:

usb

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kormoc:

and ungodly long ranged

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djc:

see to be honest, I dont need a remote, they are a dime a dozen (well almost).. Id like to find *just* the ir pickup that will connect to the ir connector on mobo

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kormoc:

ahh, irda receiver

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djc:

and not a big plastic box thing and cables and connectors. just something with two pins, maybe a little epoxy module with some electronics, and the ir plug at the other end, that I can drill a hole in an empty drive slot cover and epoxy it in

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djc:

something that would cost about $5 tops

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djc:

or less

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djc:

this: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.11

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djc:

is wrong

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djc:

that will only start the frontend after somene logs in

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djc:

im going to find the 'proper' way to actually have it boot right up to the frontend

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siXy:

yeah i think they expect you to auto-login

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siXy:

if you auto-login that works.

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djc:

wtf is autologin

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siXy:

automatically login on boot?

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djc:

ive never heard of that concept except in windows

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siXy:

fairly common ithe windows world. kinda frowned on nix, but for htpc its ok

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siXy:

djc – its very easy – just gdm/xdm/kdm.conf depending on setup

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djc:

but for a dedicated box, there really doesnt need to be any concept of 'logging in'

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djc:

yeah well I dont even want to run *gm

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siXy:

exactly

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djc:

er *dm

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djc:

just directly to X and mythfrontend

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djc:

probably just edit /etc/X11/xinitrc and then put a startx in /etc/rc.d/rc.loca

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siXy:

pretty sure you need to run one of those, but that doesnt mean you need to load gmone or kde or blah

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djc:

no, you dont

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djc:

you can startx directly

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djc:

im doing it now, by hand

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siXy:

dont you have to boot in runelvel 3 to do that tho?

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djc:

from console

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djc:

yeah

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ShockValue:

J-e-f-f-A: got the server on the network. took out the old nic, put in a new one. voilla.

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ShockValue:

then proceded to stomp on the otherone and throw it in the garbage

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siXy:

yeah i found it easier to boot in runlevel 5, start kdm but not kde and let kdm handle the autologin and running of mythtv

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djc:

bah too much time loading *dm

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siXy:

are you running a p75?

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djc:

lol

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djc:

I was about to mention that I had a 733 P3 overclocked to 825

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djc:

or something like that

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siXy:

loading kdm takes virtually no time. dont confuse kdm with kde

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djc:

feh.. i still dont want to load anything I dont need to

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siXy:

how are you going to login in to console tho?

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djc:

<ctrl>-<alt>-F1?

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djc:

or ssh remote

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siXy:

well i guess... but my way takes away the need for a keyboard to even exist

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djc:

er, how do you log in to the console without a kb?

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djc:

and what would you do once you were, anyway?

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siXy:

you dont. you log in in runlevel 5, which is automatic as kdm handles that then where the command to start kde goes, just replace that with a command to strt an x session containing only myth

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djc:

my starting x manually at rl 3 was temporary

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djc:

while I got it working

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djc:

i just put mythfrontend in /etc/X11/xinitrc, and a call to /usr/bin/startx in rc.local

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kormoc:

men

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djc:

turn it on, and it goes right up to myth

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kormoc:

I just added in @reboot startx in my crontab

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siXy:

djc – surely you still need a keyboard to initally log in, however?

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djc:

log into what?

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kormoc:

siXy, why?

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siXy:

oh hang on

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siXy:

i see what you mean

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djc:

rc.local runs at boot time

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djc:

it runs startx.

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djc:

startx looks at /etc/X11/xinitrc

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djc:

and for some reason, now my tuner is only getting junk

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djc:

hrm

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siXy:

yeah ok – thats probably a better solution... tho you cant get root privs that way iirc

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findme:

where can I get avisynth.dll?

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kormoc:

findme, google

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findme:

tried that

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djc:

well, technically myth is runing as root anyway, but who cars

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kormoc:

well, given we're a linux channel, you're not gonna get it here

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siXy:

if it exisits google can find it tbh...

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findme:

hmm, but guys mplayer needs it to play tv

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siXy:

mplayer doesnt use a whole lot of dlls as a rule xD

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djc:

not on my box it doesnt

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kormoc:

siXy, I have in user mythtv's crontab @reboot startx and @minutely check_frontend.sh, so on reboot, X starts up as user mythtv, and the frontend runs as user mythtv, and gets checked if it's running minutely

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kormoc:

findme, mine doesn't need that to play my tv eather

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djc:

of course I dont normally much use mplayer to watch tv

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djc:

given the channel, i hope to be using mythtv once I get it all set the way I want

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siXy:

kormoc – i like that cron idea – might steal it :P

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djc:

but previously, ive used xanim and now something called tvtime

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kormoc:

siXy, hehe, feel free, and if you want my scripts, feel free to ask :)

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siXy:

if you dont mind giving them to me, yes please :)

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kormoc:

siXy, http://pastebin.ca/191530

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djc:

ok, all I did was plug in the audio cable, and now im just getting garbage for video

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djc:

hrm

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kormoc:

siXy, there's the script I use to keep my frontend running automatically, I run it minutely via cron, and it's rather nice

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siXy:

yeah that will greatly cut down on the use of the reset button – thanks :)

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kormoc:

you're welcome :)

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quink:

evening.

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ShockValue:

think HD is possible on a mx4000 w/ a 2.6Ghz machine + 1G of ram?

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ShockValue:

i have a 5200, but it wont fit in my new box, it requires low profile cards :/

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siXy:

ShockValue: the prob with the mx4000 is that xvmc doesnt work properly.

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ShockValue:

really? hrm, thats news

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siXy:

well, at least i couldnt get it to work when i tried

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ShockValue:

well, ive heard conflicting reports.. guess I'll just have to give it a try

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siXy:

ShockValue: are you using the composite output?

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ShockValue:

well, if this mx4k had dvi, i would use that.. currently using dsub

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findme:

do you guys have the command for mplayer to play the tv?

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siXy:

ShockValue: in that case ymmv i only tried with composite/svideo outputs

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djc:

heh.. I guess if the backend was running it would help

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siXy:

nah who needs a backend

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disant:

? mplayer -zoom -fs /dir/file

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djc:

mplayer by itself is a rather horrid way to watch tv

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siXy:

;)

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djc:

http://tvtime.sourceforge.net

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djc:

or find it in your distro's package management system

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djc:

for fedora, yum install tvtime

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siXy:

for slackware, cry.

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siXy:

think mandriva and suse install it bby defualt tho

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djc:

somehow i doubt e's running slack

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findme:

djc, thanks. debian?

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findme:

disant, thanks

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siXy:

findme: apt-get tv-time

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siXy:

you may need to enable some repos tho i cant remember

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Netslayer:

is there an easy way to clear the guide info?

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pigeon:

apt-get install tvtime

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findme:

siXy, thanks tvtime :-)

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siXy:

ah yeah no hyphen :D

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siXy:

Netslayer: its all stored in a mysql table

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disant:

why would some channel fit 1hr in 1.1GB file, another 1hr in 6.7GB?

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disant:

s/channel/recordings

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J-e-f-f-A:

disant: hd?

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fryfrog:

disant: you using an HD card?

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disant:

firewire

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

there ya go

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siXy:

disant: one sounds like hd res

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fryfrog:

the firewire is sending you SD and HD signals

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fryfrog:

i very much suspect

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fryfrog:

my HD shows are ~6G per hour, SD is about 2G / hr (using a pvr250 mpeg2 card)

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disant:

well.. I actually recorded one HD and one SD... both about 6.7GB for 1hr

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siXy:

HDTV eats hard drives for breakfast

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Netslayer:

siXy, yes i know but myth has no referencial integrity so I'd hate to remove something that's required

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fryfrog:

perhaps the SD show was *inside* an HD stream :(

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Netslayer:

isn't there a --clear-guide-data flag or something?

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J-e-f-f-A:

disant: The different resolutions — 480p is probabaly 1.1GB/hr 1080i or P is probably 6.7gb

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disant:

i c

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siXy:

Netslayer: myth actually calls a separeate program to update the guide. the frontend just reads the info out of the database

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scott_:

i'm sort of addicted to tv, should i settle for HD OTA and basic cable or should I add a 3rd capture card with a cable STB for digital cable + highdef channels?

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kormoc:

scott_, get a cable box with firewire out :P

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siXy:

scott: get 12 hd tuners and a large raid array with 20 750gig drives.

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siXy:

then you will never miss a show

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disant:

why would playback fail to skip commercials? I checked "Automatically Skip" off in the playback settings... and I know that it detected 9 breaks... it does skip when I hit 'z' key...

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Netslayer:

siXy, you'd think mythfilldatabase would have a flag to clear all the data or at least to populate overtop of old data (can't see any directly)

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kormoc:

disant, I have the same issue, never figured out why

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Netslayer:

my guide data has some channels that are 2 hours off so i need to clear it out and re download it

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siXy:

i dont know of one. its a failry basic proggy

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scott_:

kormoc: oh i plan on getting the sa3250hd box like I had a few months back, I just need some other fellow addicts to tell me to do it

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kormoc:

Netslayer, it does, it's in the help for it, and it's something akin to --refresh-a;;

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kormoc:

Netslayer, erm --refresh-all

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kormoc:

heh

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disant:

scott_, i'm on SA4200HD

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siXy:

meh i hardly watch tv. i just use it for dvds and music. its the wife that uses all the tv stuff

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Netslayer:

kormoc, auh yes cool i'll try that

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Netslayer:

any ideas as to how to fix it if one channel is 2 hours early and the rest are fine?

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kormoc:

well, it's likely the place where you got the info giving bad info, to be honest

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scott_:

so much good tv programming tho

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disant:

scott_, the only problem I have w/it is dont have a channel switching part figured out

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scott_:

I'm jealous of anyone who gets showtime and hbo and discovery HD over firewire from their cable companies

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siXy:

thats what she says.

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scott_:

timewarner is a b-i-t-c-h and gives me like 5 channels HD over firewire

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achew22:

is there an ebuild for myth .20?

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kormoc:

achew22, yes...

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achew22:

what should I unmask?

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disant:

kormoc, bless u

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kormoc:

achew22, and you could have checked via gentoo's website, or via your own tree...

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achew22:

disant, I love it when people say that — rock on

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kormoc:

disant, heh, thanks

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achew22:

kormoc, I don't see it in my tree

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scott_:

disant: what's special about the sa4200?

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kormoc:

achew22, sync up then.

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achew22:

I did an emerge --sync

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disant:

scott_, dunno.. got it from my cable company :)

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achew22:

kormoc, is it hidden/masked/anything weird?

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kormoc:

achew22, /usr/portage/media-tv/mythtv/mythtv-0.20_p11244.ebuild

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kormoc:

achew22, it's ~x86, like normal

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disant:

kormoc, bless u again

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disant:

3 times and you can go home

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achew22:

kormoc, as always thankyou

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kormoc:

heh, sadly, I'm still at work

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achew22:

your here to make me feel stupid which is a good thing

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scott_:

timewarner dishes those PVR systems out like candy 5$/month, it'd be really cool if mythtv could tap into their recording schedules and everything via firewire and playback their recordings, etc.

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Netslayer:

"program" is the guide data table correct?

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kormoc:

scott_, patches would be welcomed! :P

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kormoc:

I think so, aye

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scott_:

well I won't even bother with it, i'm sure it's nothing but a headache and all locked up and i'm no hacins

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rufnut:

anyone running mythtv on unichrome ?

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siXy:

not right atm, but i have done

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siXy:

theres a very good howto on google

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rufnut:

oh really , cool

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rufnut:

you would nt have the link by any chance ?

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rufnut:

think i found it/some

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rufnut:

i have most of it running but get a black screen with xvmc

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siXy:

hhmmm i cant remeber the name, but i found this one: http://groundstate.ca/c3mythtv

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rufnut:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Unichrome_How-To <<< thanks anyway bit this one seems pretty good

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rufnut:

i will have alook at both

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siXy:

ahhh here it is: http://www.cnpbagwell.com/MythTV/HomePage

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rufnut:

great thanks

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siXy:

its a tiny bit out of date, and if you are going for fedora, wait 10 days and get fedora 6

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rufnut:

now some reading

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Pryon:

Hmmmm. I seem to tickle some kind of memory bug with 0.20 on debian sid when trying to look at the program guide

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rufnut:

i am on gentoo so hope i can sort it

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Pryon:

http://pastebin.ca/191560

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Pryon:

Ahhhh. Seems that mythtv-themes is not in sync with the other mythtv packages in sid. That's probably it.

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Pryon:

That's what I get for running sid, I suppose.

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tjcarter:

Pryon: You should probably use Hamsta's packages.

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tjcarter:

Pryon: they're generally much better all around

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tjcarter:

AFAIK there are Debian packages along with the Ubuntu ones

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** Pryon will look into it **

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tjcarter:

although, his mythweb has a broken postinst.

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tjcarter:

bashism with #! /bin/sh, change it to /bin/bash and it works fine.

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disant:

anyone has mythweb setup to stream via flash?

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J-e-f-f-A:

disant: Not with flash... but with VLC via mythstreamtv on .19

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siXy:

flash is anaethma to lots of nix hackers

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J-e-f-f-A:

disant: er- that is, I haven't done it with flash myself... (maybe somebody else has...)

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disant:

k

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Netslayer:

this is messed up!, when i run mythfilldatabase for today my FOX channel correctly shows 10 oclock news at 10. When I restart mythbackend it changes to 8pm (2hrs early)..ideas?

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Netslayer:

all the other channels are fine

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EunuchOne:

i got a dumb quick question, if anyonbe know the answer, can a plextor convertx record direct to divx/mpeg4 in mythtv since it supports it in hardware or does it just do it in mpeg2?

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disant:

Netslayer, clock? timezone?

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GreyFoxx:

I seem to remember users mentioning that myth only uses the mpeg2 option with that, but that could have changed since I saw it mentioned

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EunuchOne:

ok

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EunuchOne:

ty

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EunuchOne:

be nice if that got added sometime :)

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Netslayer:

disant, clock is showing correct time, this is ubuntu fresh install of dapper

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disant:

and timezone is not off either?

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Netslayer:

disant, correct timezone

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disant:

weird

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Netslayer:

the db is showing it now at 8pm..

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disant:

ubuntu here as well.. and no skewing of any kind

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Netslayer:

going to rerun filldb

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Netslayer:

k now after fresh refresh "1111 2006-10–04 22:00:00 2006-10–04 23:00:00 Fox 11 Ten O'Clock News"

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disant:

now restart the backend

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Netslayer:

1111 2006-10–04 22:00:00 2006-10–04 22:30:00 Married ... With Children Al overreacts to news of his boss's death.

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Netslayer:

wtf

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Netslayer:

when i restart the backend i do see this 2006-10–04 20:42:10.972 EITHelper: localtime offset -7:00:00

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Netslayer:

hrm 2006-10–04 20:42:17.577 match[0]: -1800 'Fox 11 Ten O'Clock News' vs. 'Geraldo a t Large'

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tjcarter:

Netslayer: "Al reacts to news of his wife's death." would make for a better episode =)

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tjcarter:

that show was so warped =D

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robbins87:

what an easy way to edit ID3 tags

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robbins87:

?

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kavorka^:

i have a mpg file which i transcoded to a nuv file, however i am not happy with the result...how do i go back to my mpg.backup file?

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kavorka^:

ie i made a backup of the original mpg file before i transcoded...

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Netslayer:

kavorka^, you could do a mv

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kavorka^:

yeah but will myth be smart enough to see the new .mpg extension, or will it look for the nuv file?

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kavorka^:

ie if i delete the nuv file and restore the original mpg wont that confuse the database?

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Captain_Murdoch:

kavorka^: you need to fix the 'basename' field in the recorded table to reflect the new name and you need to rebuild the seektable using the --rebuild option to mythcommflag.

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kavorka^:

Captain_Murdoch, how is that done?

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Captain_Murdoch:

which part?

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kavorka^:

the whole lot lol

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Captain_Murdoch:

SQL: update recorded set basename = "myoriginalfilename.mpg" where basename = "thenewfilename.nuv";

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Captain_Murdoch:

mythcommflag: "mythcommflag --rebuild --chanid 1010 --starttime 20061004120000"

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kavorka^:

Captain_Murdoch, thanks :)

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Anduin:

sphery: That is just to trim in the case where you may have a trailing , right?

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Captain_Murdoch:

make sure you don't forget the WHERE on that SQL otherwise you're screwed. :)

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mcrift:

I have an avermedia 180 card capable of ATSC (SAA7134), but when I go to the mythsetup and i select /dev/video, only composite and svideo are available as input devices. How come I can't see coax or antenna or something so I can scan OTA?

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kavorka^:

hehe ok

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mcrift:

anyone?

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siXy:

mcrift: you probably need dvb:0

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sphery:

Anduin: you mean the "categoryIDs = categoryIDs.left(categoryIDs.length() – 1);"?

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sphery:

It will always have a trailing comma

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sphery:

So, yeah.

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Anduin:

sphery: Yeah, no reason for it to always have one is all

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sphery:

Guess not...

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sphery:

Since we always have one value, just put the comma on the front...

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sphery:

Want me to update it?

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Anduin:

sphery: No need, almost committed

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sphery:

Sorry. Didn't think about that (added the 0 in there after I wrote it initially)

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sphery:

Wow. That's quick.

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sphery:

Much prettier that way... Thanks for catching it.

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DIrEctQL:

hi, is anyone running mythtv with cable box?

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siXy:

not any more

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DIrEctQL:

i'm having some trouble setting it up

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DIrEctQL:

it doesn't want to record

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DIrEctQL:

err

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DIrEctQL:

output any video

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DIrEctQL:

but channgel changing works

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siXy:

how is it connected?

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DIrEctQL:

single firewire cable from the cable box to the computer

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siXy:

ah ive never done firewire – maybe someone else can help :)

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DIrEctQL:

how is your connected?

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siXy:

it was connected via svideo – but i have no need for it now

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DIrEctQL:

how did you switch channels?

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siXy:

well we only had the free channels, which are now availiable over the air on dvb-t. so no need for the clunky old cable box anymore.

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DIrEctQL:

i see

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DIrEctQL:

hmm, i wonder, if i connect the cable box to an ATSC tuner

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DIrEctQL:

if that's going to work

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sphery:

Anduin: You're too kind with your commit message. Shouldn't it have been "MySQL 3.x compatibility fix. It and the initial non-compatibility thanks to..." :)

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Anduin:

sphery: Yeah, I didn't attack myself for not noticing either

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siXy:

firewire should work tbh

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sphery:

DIrEctQL: You mean connect the cable cable to an ATSC tuner...

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DIrEctQL:

no

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sphery:

The cable box won't output a signal that could go to an ATSC tuner

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DIrEctQL:

cable box to atsc tuner

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siXy:

DIrEctQL: you will not be able to recieve any qam encryted channels that way

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DIrEctQL:

well i am looking at my tv

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sphery:

The cable box probably outputs component and/or HDMI, right?

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DIrEctQL:

i have an hd tuner from comcast

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siXy:

and most if not all cable channels are enctryted, so even dvb-c cards wont get you anywhere

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MindHack:

Im working on a standalone mythtv "player" based on mplayer and a gtk frontend. I need a way to access the mysql database to get the commflags. What do you think would be the best way to hack this together? Any reason doing it over http would be better than direct mysql connections?

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DIrEctQL:

and somehow the TV (atsc tuner builtin) does display HDTV signals

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DIrEctQL:

siXy: I know, that is why I am trying to include the cable box that does the decryption

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sphery:

MindHack: You'll pretty much have to use direct MySQL to get LiveTV (because of the tvchain).

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siXy:

MindHack: i did some work on this a bit ago. normal mysql queries work. the hard part is not the mysql integration

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sphery:

You might want to look into xris's Perl bindings, though. Don't know how far he's gotten with them, but they might be useful (but then again, might not be--I haven't used them).

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Anduin:

They are not ready yet

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MindHack:

hadn't planned on supporting livetv at all, since Im in no way qualified, only a recording player.I could just play back recordings in gmplayer, like I do now, but I miss the commercial skip :-P

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sphery:

Oh.

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siXy:

MindHack: the part i found hard was getting a stable and useable frontend

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MindHack:

siXy: you were making the whole frontend?

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MindHack:

Im being really cheap, Im even going to have the recordings loaded off of nfs and samba

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MindHack:

that'll make it windows compatible for anyone to port

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MindHack:

better would be to somehow incorporate the commflag data into the .nuv file, anyone know if that is possible in the header? That will make "portable" mythtv files

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siXy:

MindHack: yeah i was trying to integrate with myth to replace mythmusic with something actually worthwhile

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Netslayer:

whatever happend to the summer of code stuff for mythmusic? didn't taht get worked on

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siXy:

MindHack: if you just want a web-based frontned to be called from the network, that should take about 2 hours in php to write

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siXy:

Netslayer: not seen any results for SoC stuff so far

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MindHack:

even comskip?

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Netslayer:

i would love a mythweb music plugin that can stream music over regular http, and a better ui interface in myth

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Netslayer:

if i had more free time i would write it

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siXy:

not sure about that as the tv part of things isnt really my area of expertise. i dont actually know exactly how the tv skip works in all honesty

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MindHack:

all mine is going to do is download the cutpoints into an array, keep track of gmplayer, and tell it to seek when neccessary

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siXy:

are the cutpoints already stored in the database?

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MindHack:

Im assuming so

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MindHack:

if the commflag daemon runs

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MindHack:

so its just a matter of somehow fetching them off the main server

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Netslayer:

there's already a myth stream thing

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siXy:

if they are in the database then it shoud be easy... but im not sure it even works like that

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MindHack:

but then you dont get portability. It would be neat to download the shows, unplug your laptop, and then play them (with comflags) without the master

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siXy:

that might be easier to do with a simple file sync program. transcode the shows and auto-chop commercials from the recordings, then sync to lappy

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MindHack:

I dont want to autochop because, for some files, I might miss sections of the file if the comflagging fails

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MindHack:

hence, I sacrifice diskspace, since I only chop the commercials for a small percentage of files

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siXy:

well im not convinced that commercial skipping is handled like that

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MindHack:

whaddya mean?

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siXy:

it might well require more than passive assistance from the frontend

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kavorka^:

hey guys, is dvd resolution fixed at 720x576 ?

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siXy:

720x576 is pal resoultion. up/downscaling is very possible

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kavorka^:

yes im in pal

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kavorka^:

the reason i ask is that i have a 4hr HD recording that is 23GB (mpgeg2)...now i want to transcode this, but just enough so that it fits on a dvd

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siXy:

so short of re-burning the dvd the resolution is unlikely to change. however, like i said you can up/downscale it

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RyeBrye:

Is there a way to use the FM Tuner of the Hauppauge PVR-500 in Linux?

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kavorka^:

would resizing it to 720x576 be the best path to take?

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siXy:

xvid is the way to go to shrink the size of it

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kavorka^:

xvid?

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siXy:

RyeBrye: does the pvr5000 defiantely have fm radio – i thoguht that was just the 350

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kavorka^:

but is that in dvd format?

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siXy:

yeah google xvid

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siXy:

no

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kavorka^:

ie i need to burn to dvd for a friend.

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kavorka^:

hmm ok

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siXy:

you want to play it on a commercial dvd player?

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RyeBrye:

siXy – yeah, the PVR-500 definitely has an FM tuner. It has two coax jacks on the back. One of them is for the FM tuner (it comes with an FM antenna also)

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kavorka^:

siXy, yes

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siXy:

then downscale it and hope for the best.

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RyeBrye:

siXy: it splits the video input internally from the coax jack

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RyeBrye:

Is there a way to get the FM signal from the 350 even?

[05:05:11]

RyeBrye:

Ideally, I would like to be able to watch something on the video and have the audio come from the FM signal... with the ability to timeshift the audio to line up – for this one scenario:

[05:05:22]

RyeBrye:

The FM commentators for my favorite college football team are great... The TV ones suck

[05:05:38]

RyeBrye:

Of course, I know that is just a dream unless I want to write a lot of code myself :)

[05:05:47]

siXy:

RyeBrye: is there anything in /dev/radio

[05:05:57]

** RyeBrye goes to check... **

[05:06:07]

RyeBrye:

Should I just cat /dev/radio to see if it spits anything out?

[05:07:11]

RyeBrye:

I have a /dev/radio and a /dev/radio0 but I can't cat them

[05:07:25]

siXy:

http://mythextra.napsi.net/mythFM.html

[05:07:30]

RyeBrye:

Beautiful

[05:09:29]

RyeBrye:

Hmm... looks like it's not being actively developed. I'll see if I'll get lucky and the 2005 version will work for me

[05:10:29]

siXy:

i dont know tbh.. fm radio is a failry unusual feature in pvrs

[05:11:42]

RyeBrye:

Yeah, I didn't exactly get the PVR-500 because I thought "OOOH, SWEET... FM IN"

[05:11:57]

RyeBrye:

It was kind of a side thing that now that I have it I'm wondering "is there really anything I can do with that?"

[05:12:41]

siXy:

av recievers by definition have fm radio built in... so for lots of people dont really need this feature

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RyeBrye:

You mean the receivers that people plug the TV into for sound?

[05:13:28]

RyeBrye:

err... the mythbox

[05:13:40]

siXy:

nono surround sound av recivers

[05:13:48]

RyeBrye:

Yeah, I gotcha...

[05:13:53]

RyeBrye:

Makes sense

[05:14:10]

** RyeBrye is poor/cheap and getting by with TV'sbuilt in stereo for now **

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RyeBrye:

does ivtv 0.80 cause problems for anyone? I was thinking of upgrading my version from 0.7.2

[05:25:36]

mcrift:

should I see stuff scrolling by when I do a qam256 scan in the mythtv setup?

[05:26:06]

mcrift:

i selected my dvb tuner and it is hooked up to the cable outlet and I chose to do the full scan but i don't see anything happening on the scan screen

[05:27:40]

Dagmar:

RyeBrye: Have you read the notes on the new driver?

[05:28:47]

RyeBrye:

Dagmar: I scanned over them on the page... looked like it added a few tweaks and some bug fixes.

[05:28:57]

Dagmar:

There's another upgrade that has to happen with it.

[05:29:17]

RyeBrye:

I saw it needs a kernel update

[05:29:26]

mcrift:

anyone?

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RyeBrye:

Dagmar: if I installed from the atrpms ivtv source, could I just run a yum update ivtv and have it handle it, or is that asking for trouble?

[05:32:38]

Dagmar:

RyeBrye: Don't ask me what people's crazy package managers are doing

[05:32:46]

RyeBrye:

ok :)

[05:32:53]

Dagmar:

I stay away from that for a reason.

[05:33:02]

Dagmar:

WAY too often all that's doing is importing someone elses broken crap.

[05:33:37]

RyeBrye:

Yeah. But I installed Fedora so I could rely soley on importing other people's broken crap through yum ;)

[05:34:01]

Dagmar:

Then you should be complaining to the packager when it breaks.

[05:34:44]

RyeBrye:

gotcha :)

[05:35:10]

Dagmar:

Damnit

[05:35:36]

Dagmar:

I would have thought that commercial flagging would result in something appearing on the editor about the sections that were supposed to be cut, but I guess not.

[05:38:03]

mcrift:

When I go to input sources and try to do a full scan on broadcast with qam256 I don't get any progress bar or anything happening in the scan screen

[05:38:34]

mcrift:

if I select cable or anything else it goes through and I see it scanning and telling me no signal since this is an atsc tuner, but why can't I get anything with broadcast and qam?

[05:39:02]

mcrift:

anyone have any ideas? it is an avermedia a180

[05:42:57]

Dagmar:

RyeBrye: I'm not setting out to be a bastard about the reading. We've just got a serious problem with people never bothering to look at release notes, making a huge mess of their systems, and then expecting people to magically know what they did wrong. It's not fun.

[05:43:24]

Dagmar:

RyeBrye: The upgrade to 0.8.0 probably *shouldn't* be a problem, and frankly I'd worry more about 2.6.18 than the ivtv driver

[05:44:21]

RyeBrye:

yeah... I'm running 2.6.18 now – I had to in order to get my nvidia drivers to work

[05:44:36]

Dagmar:

okay, that's weird. Which nVidia driver are you using?

[05:44:50]

RyeBrye:

Let me look at the package...

[05:44:55]

Dagmar:

I've been flirting with the idea of using the 9xxx beta, but only on my desktop machine

[05:45:05]

Dagmar:

There's nothing to gain from using the beta driver on a Myth box

[05:45:30]

RyeBrye:

The reason I had to upgrade my kernel was because when I ran the installer it couldn't find any binary versions for my old kernel and couldn't find my kernel source

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RyeBrye:

(Fedora keeps it in a strange place...)

[05:45:55]

Dagmar:

You just stick your kernel source in the canonical place (/usr/src/linux) and build it

[05:45:59]

sidny4:

if I use MythTV in ubuntu, will I be able to use the S-Video in on my tv tuner card?

[05:46:03]

Dagmar:

Or make a symlink so that /usr/src/linux points to it

[05:46:09]

RyeBrye:

Yeah, I should... but I'm a noob :)

[05:46:20]

RyeBrye:

If I ever find the kernel source, I'll be sure to put the symlink in

[05:46:35]

Dagmar:

sidny4: Only if Ubuntu hasn't decided to do something insane at the last minute. Why would you think it wouldn't work?

[05:46:44]

RyeBrye:

It was easier for my n00bish self to just update my kernel and then let it have its way with it

[05:46:44]

Dagmar:

RyeBrye: ftp.kernel.org

[05:46:48]

Dagmar:

er www.kernel.org actually

[05:47:07]

Dagmar:

Oh there's probably a kernel-source RPM to go with that version of ht ekernel

[05:47:24]

sidny4:

I wasn't sure if it would or not, I asked a friend of mine and he said only the tuner part would work, not the s-video in

[05:47:40]

sidny4:

well, that he thought it wouldn't work

[05:47:40]

RyeBrye:

yeah. I think there was.

[05:47:57]

RyeBrye:

sidny4 – what card?

[05:48:15]

sidny4:

it's an AVerMedia PCI 500

[05:48:30]

Dagmar:

Yuck

[05:48:35]

RyeBrye:

What do you need SVideo in for?

[05:48:49]

Dagmar:

Framegrabbing sucks

[05:48:57]

RyeBrye:

Are you planning to get signal from a box and run an irblaster to have it change the channels?

[05:49:28]

sidny4:

no, I have my gamecube and xbox hooked up to it

[05:49:34]

Dagmar:

sidny4: You maybe might wanna think about listening less to this friend of yours unless he can come up with a good reason for saying it wouldt' work

[05:50:01]

RyeBrye:

Yeah. I don't understand why it wouldn't work...

[05:50:05]

Dagmar:

sidny4: Something along the lines of "the release notes for the avermedia pci 500 driver say it can't select s-video input" would be just cause

[05:50:20]

Dagmar:

That he couldn't figure it out would *not* be a good reason for saying that

[05:50:42]

sidny4:

yeah, that's true

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Dagmar:

Most of this stuff is actually *not* very hard, provided you're careful to read and follow directions

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sidny4:

yeah, RTFM

[05:58:57]

Dagmar:

Hmm... That should fix the cut points

[05:59:24]

Dagmar:

Anyone else been seeing the editing bar not align with the cute little white brackets the built in cutter uses?

[06:01:07]

RyeBrye:

Does mythweather pick days out of a hat?

[06:01:28]

Dagmar:

nah

[06:01:41]

Dagmar:

It's just the site it's pulling from I suspect

[06:01:51]

Dagmar:

They're not super-reliable over there

[06:02:01]

RyeBrye:

Oh. Gotcha... I'll put that on my list of things to work on when I get time

[06:03:15]

Dagmar:

I can't think of anything i'd like to do to it that wouldn't involve in some way being slightly hostile to weather sites

[06:03:27]

RyeBrye:

True

[06:03:35]

RyeBrye:

You could just parse a google weather query

[06:03:46]

RyeBrye:

Google wouldn't really notice...

[06:03:51]

RyeBrye:

or just get a google api

[06:03:59]

RyeBrye:

(key that is)

[06:04:30]

RyeBrye:

eather for Spanish Fork, UT63°F

[06:04:31]

RyeBrye:

Clear

[06:04:31]

RyeBrye:

Wind: SE at 18

[06:04:36]

Dagmar:

Google would probably be cool with it actually

[06:04:36]

RyeBrye:

woops, wrong thing to paste

[06:05:04]

RyeBrye:

it's just as simple as: "google weather xxxxx" where xxxxx is the zip code

[06:05:06]

Dagmar:

The only problem being that Google doesn't have a weather service

[06:05:23]

RyeBrye:

Yeah, they pull the data from someone – but they present it all nice and pretty

[06:05:33]

RyeBrye:

The problem would be when Google changes their presentaiton format and breaks the parser

[06:05:56]

RyeBrye:

oh – don't put the "google" in the seach string I mentioned above

[06:06:07]

Dagmar:

Actually, if someone could do without a radar map, getting Google to add some tags in there so that machines could easily parse it wouldn't be too hard

[06:06:17]

disant:

anyone on Explorer 4200HD?

[06:06:24]

Dagmar:

Yeah, I figured out what you were talking about after I took the "google" part fof

[06:06:29]

RyeBrye:

yeah :)

[06:06:35]

** RyeBrye is getting kind of tired **

[06:06:40]

Dagmar:

We could definitely scrape Google for that

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Dagmar:

I think the author is basically trying to replicate The Weather Channel's local forecast overlay

[06:07:19]

Dagmar:

Getting METAR information is practically trivial, but it's not very pretty

[06:07:19]

RyeBrye:

Yeah, that makes sense – it looks really similar

[06:07:45]

RyeBrye:

What is it pulling from now, do you know? I haven't looked at the guts of it at all

[06:08:00]

Dagmar:

The Weather Channel's website IIRC.

[06:08:12]

Dagmar:

...and it's always been a bit dodgy

[06:08:37]

RyeBrye:

http://www.weather.gov/xml/

[06:08:52]

RyeBrye:

The NOAA has a SOAP service – but they only update it every hour 45 minutes past the hour

[06:09:05]

RyeBrye:

(and ask devs not to query it more than once in an hour...)

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Dagmar:

I've actually got something *I* wrote polling from NOAA and getting their METAR info

[06:10:26]

Dagmar:

It's not useful to myth tho

[06:10:49]

RyeBrye:

yeah...

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** RyeBrye remembers the early early days of the internet, when he was a wee lad in high school and he showed his mom that you don't have to wait for the 12:00 news to get weather reports **

[06:11:34]

claybo:

Hey everyone. In 0.20, I get less CPU usage with libmpeg2 as my video decoder than with XvMC, and I can't quite get HD to play back perfectly with either. XvMC was flawless in 0.19, though. Does anyone have any idea why this may be?

[06:11:41]

Dagmar:

I remember the days when there was the joy of bangpath mail.

[06:12:12]

Dagmar:

claybo: You managed to not link the 0.20 binary to xvmc properly, or you have changed video cards

[06:12:59]

claybo:

Dagmar, still the same video card. I'm using the ATRPMS Myth binary, but also tried compiling Myth myself with no extra luck.

[06:13:12]

claybo:

When XvMC is set, it has the grey OSD, so it's working.

[06:13:16]

claybo:

Just not as well as 0.19.

[06:13:17]

Dagmar:

claybo: So try to find whoever made those RPMs

[06:14:28]

Dagmar:

RyeBrye: Lame as this might be, it's _very_ handy. When you're trawling for weather data, look for pages that are meant specifically for mobile devices.

[06:14:50]

Dagmar:

RyeBrye: Yeah, MythTV ain't exactly "mobile", but there's usually a lot less crap to parse i the output

[06:15:06]

claybo:

Dagmar, but I also compiled Myth from source myself with no noticeable boost in speed, which would lead me to believe it's not the fault of the RPMs. Am I drawing the wrong conclusion?

[06:15:22]

Dagmar:

I've no idea. I'm not using your system.

[06:15:54]

Dagmar:

RyeBrye: Example, http://www.srh.noaa.gov/port/port_mp_ns.php?C . . . nzone=TNZ027

[06:16:53]

RyeBrye:

Dagmar: Good point

[06:17:04]

RyeBrye:

That would be a lot easier to parse

[06:17:50]

** RyeBrye wonders what the sysadmin of a mobile weather service would think when looking at the logs if all of a sudden all of the MythTV users were hitting his server for weather data in a future update **

[06:18:09]

RyeBrye:

The guy would probably be like "Hot Damn! I knew these cell phones would catch on some day!"

[06:18:14]

Dagmar:

"All of the MythTV users" probably woulnd't increase utilization by even 5%

[06:18:22]

RyeBrye:

You don't htink so?

[06:18:49]

RyeBrye:

Maybe so... but I think that mobile phone pages are not heavily used

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Dagmar:

Yeah, but mobile phone users kind of dwarf Linux users.

[06:19:16]

RyeBrye:

at least not at this point... because the people who currently are gadget freaks have full HTML browsers on their phones, and those who don't care don't want to pay for data plans

[06:19:53]

RyeBrye:

i might be wrong

[06:20:08]

RyeBrye:

in any case the bandwidth is so negligible I doubt they would care

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Dagmar:

What someone should probably do is just write a spec that allows for a small ad for branding (not to sell ad space) and how to publish weather info that's easy for embedded/appliance devices to parse

[06:21:22]

Dagmar:

...and then just toss it out there and whatever weather services want to support it can do so

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RyeBrye:

That makes sense

[06:22:13]

RyeBrye:

... The NOAA's weather SOAP service has some cool little things it can do

[06:22:24]

RyeBrye:

Check out this example graph of a 3-hour temperature chart for a location:

[06:22:28]

Dagmar:

Yeah, but SOAP is a little overkill

[06:22:29]

RyeBrye:

http://www.weather.gov/forecasts/xml/sample_p . . . ubmit=Submit

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RyeBrye:

(I suppose it's sampling every 3 hours and plotting over a weeks time)

[06:23:12]

RyeBrye:

That would be a really cool graph in MythWeather :)

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Dagmar:

I don't really need trend graphs on my TV

[06:24:04]

** RyeBrye does **

[06:24:06]

RyeBrye:

:)

[06:24:13]

Dagmar:

I just want to know what the temps are going to be and whether or not I'll need water-repellent clothing

[06:24:30]

RyeBrye:

Well... I don't really NEED them – but I like to leave MythWeather as a screensaver

[06:26:09]

RyeBrye:

anyway... I'm off to bed now.

[06:26:21]

RyeBrye:

I've got to go to work in seven hours

[06:27:05]

Dagmar:

I think at some point the whole screensaver issue needs to be visited

[06:27:48]

RyeBrye:

oh, for Myth?

[06:27:52]

Dagmar:

Yep

[06:27:55]

RyeBrye:

yeah...

[06:28:10]

Dagmar:

If that could just be tied to an external program the way XScreenSaver does it's hacks, that's all that would need to be done in the core

[06:28:25]

RyeBrye:

True.

[06:28:41]

Dagmar:

It would let people do the weather thing, or the image gallery thing at will

[06:28:56]

RyeBrye:

If someone wanted to go crazy, they could do some funky OpenGL transitions between images... etc.

[06:29:12]

Dagmar:

The image browser can already do that

[06:29:23]

RyeBrye:

oh, yeah, I forgot

[06:29:31]

RyeBrye:

I have only used the image browser once

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Dagmar:

Plus i've already got some stuff I did for a ReplayTV unit a while back.

[06:29:42]

Dagmar:

http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/8659796/

[06:29:48]

Dagmar:

Eight little disinspirationals

[06:30:27]

Dagmar:

Which, amusingly, are currently plaguing the third owner of the ReplayTV box, who didn't know how to disable that, so he'd wake up in the middle of the night to that if he fell asleep in front of the TV

[06:32:10]

RyeBrye:

Maybe the reminder for him to reproduce is more effective then

[06:32:48]

RyeBrye:

oh well.. I really do need to get to bed

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** RyeBrye is away: sleeping **

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Dagmar:

Well, he's got a little girl now, and I think I'm going to need to make another set to counteract what those might be doing to the toddler's brain

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RyeBrye:

lol...

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Juski:

morning folks

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Juski:

apparently MHEG isn't working in the distro I use for my frontend (minimyth).. what dependencies does it involve? does anyone here know? Is there a configure time option to enable it? I've built myth with MHEG support enabled before but can't remember the circumstances....

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Dagmar:

WTH is MHEG?

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Juski:

MHEG is erm... a multimedia markup language

[07:03:14]

Juski:

it's used in the UK to provide fancy graphics & webpage-like UIs on TV channels

[07:03:27]

Juski:

broadcast alongside DVB-T

[07:03:52]

Dagmar:

Hmm...

[07:04:39]

Juski:

can also incorporate java allowing simple games to be programmed.. Tetris & stuff like that :)

[07:06:31]

Juski:

I've got some screenshots somewhere

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mcrift:

for some reason I can use mythtv and watch live tv and all of a sudden ill get an error about failed to open dvb device

[07:10:01]

mcrift:

seems to happen if I try to switch chans really quick

[07:10:13]

mcrift:

and then it is like the device is locked or something and I can't watch anything

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nuonguy:

any magic needed to build mytharchive?

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nuonguy:

I get a complaint about needing libmythavutil by libmythtv, but libmythavutil is in the path specified by -L

[07:13:40]

Juski:

nuonguy: yes. imagemagick is a dependency IIRC

[07:14:29]

nuonguy:

I've put the shortest possible thing at http://rafb.net/paste/results/dZt1NA42.html

[07:14:42]

nuonguy:

Juski: it doesn't complain about imagemagick

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Juski:

hmm... not had any problems building mytharchive myself.. it just built

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mcrift:

anyone know what i periodically get an error about failing to open /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0

[07:15:55]

mcrift:

some sort of memory/resource alloc issue?

[07:16:00]

Juski:

mcrift: other apps using the device?

[07:16:04]

mcrift:

nope

[07:16:20]

mcrift:

mythtv will start and I can use it and then ill change the chan and it says error and exits myth

[07:16:21]

Juski:

possibly a driver problem. it's not a USB thing is it?

[07:16:25]

nuonguy:

Jusi: what distro did you build it on?

[07:16:31]

Juski:

nuonguy: ubuntu

[07:16:34]

mcrift:

nope, avermedia a180 using sa7134-dvb

[07:16:48]

mcrift:

pci card

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Juski:

mcrift: best thing I can suggest is to try the linuxtv hg branch

[07:17:27]

mcrift:

what is that

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mcrift:

just a diff driver set?

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Juski:

yup.. newer

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nuonguy:

Juski: does the order matter?

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Juski:

nuonguy: what do you mean.. the order?

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halex-ab:

Anybody been getting issues with MythTV and Edgy with DVB devices..?

[07:23:19]

nuonguy:

the order of the -l or -L items on the command line to g++

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nuonguy:

is there something wrong with the .configure script because if I add the -lmythavcodec entries by hand, it builds fine

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Juski:

nuonguy: you've lost me....

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Juski:

nuonguy: guy might have to edit the config.mak file yourself...

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Juski:

s/guy/you (wtf did I type?)

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halex-ab:

heh

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nuonguy:

Juski: can you paste your ../mytharchive/mytharchivehelper/mytharchivehelper.pro ?

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nuonguy:

Juski: Mine is at http://rafb.net/paste/results/z3saJ518.html

[07:28:04]

Juski:

nuonguy: I can't.. the HDD that build is on isn't in my machine right now. I keep putting off upgrading to 0.20

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nuonguy:

it's the three libraries in the section that starts macx { that are not args to g++, but should be

[07:28:19]

nuonguy:

ah

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nuonguy:

no wonder

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nuonguy:

not at 0.20

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Juski:

nuonguy: that'd do it.

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Juski:

I don't know how you managed to miss that mytharchive is only for 0.20 though.. but anyway...

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nuonguy:

Dude, I'm at 0.20 – I'm using trunk of last night

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nuonguy:

I want to build exactly that

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Juski:

ah sorry.. too early in the A.M. for be to be completely with it

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halex-ab:

Yeh, trunk doesn't build, does it..?

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nuonguy:

sure it does

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nuonguy:

no worries, Juski: you're a good guy

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halex-ab:

hmm, alright then.. lol

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nuonguy:

check out: http://doc.trolltech.com/3.0/qmake-manual-7.html

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nuonguy:

What does this mean?

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nuonguy:

-macx

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nuonguy:

qmake will run in Mac OS X mode. In this mode, Unix file naming and path conventions will be used, additionally testing for macx (as a scope) will succeed. This is the default mode on Mac OS X.

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Juski:

cesman: any luck with the train booking then?

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Juski:

!seen kelerion

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MythLogBot:

kelerion was last seen 1 day 6 hours 9 minutes 20 seconds ago

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Juski:

hmm.. time to send a text message I think

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halex-ab:

lol

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hot_wheelz:

Hi guys how are we?

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Hoxzer:

Hmmm

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Hoxzer:

Imho, I'm good, just did last test in this period

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hot_wheelz:

can anyone tell me the Hauppauge Nova-T 500 MCE Dual Digital PCI card supported standard ubuntu 6.06.1 kernel hence picked up by default in Myth?

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Dagmar:

What driver does that one use?

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Dagmar:

...because basically that's what it boils down to.

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ivor:

wow they've managed to perfect a "hack-proof" "technology" for the x-box.

[10:13:01]

ivor:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v209/foaley . . . 2redmark.jpg

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ivor:

:) just wrap all the components in resin....

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Dagmar:

ivor: This is what solvents are good for

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Dagmar:

...but you have to admit it's going to put a kaibosh on casual modding

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ivor:

does smack somewhat of desperation. :D

[10:18:11]

Dagmar:

If they were smart they'd fill bunches of it with something meltable, and then rig it so that some of their circuits go through it. Melt it, and lose the circuits

[10:18:14]

Dibblah:

Solvents are unlikely. That looks like epoxy potting compoint.

[10:18:21]

Dibblah:

compound, even.

[10:18:49]

Dibblah:

However, a xacto is now going to be a DMCA circumvention device. Yay.

[10:18:57]

Dagmar:

So does that mean they're planning on growing little epoxy trees?

[10:18:58]

Dagmar:

;)

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halex-ab:

Haven't they already..?

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Dibblah:

Gotta love them making it 1/2 has hard, though, by allowing themselves to upgrade the flash chip.

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Dibblah:

That's the 360.

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Dibblah:

Specifically, the DVD drive.

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Dagmar:

So I'm guessing htat commflagging and the cut points made with the built-in editor are supposed to be separate things?

[10:33:51]

Dagmar:

If someone can confirm or deny that it would be helpful for me knowing whether or not I need to look into a db reset

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yiyus:

is there any mythtv similar program to be used just as a local media player? (no pvr)

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Dagmar:

Mplayer, VLC, Totem, Xine.

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yiyus:

i want to play music and videos, view images and launch mame games

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yiyus:

with nice menus and all, but i dont have a tv card

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Dagmar:

No such program, then

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yiyus:

similar to elisa or rasterman's rage, but stable

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yiyus:

thanks anyway, just asking :)

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caitlin:

mythtranscode -v all doesn't half scroll alot!

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Dagmar:

I don't think you're supposed to invoke that one directly

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caitlin:

yeh, but it's failing when run from mythtv, and not spewing any dbug

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caitlin:

it's proving to be a pain in the ass to track down

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Paladine:

anyone know if you need to specify the frequency for LCD monitors in xorg.conf device section?

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GreyFoxx:

yiyus: Then just don't configure a tuner

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Dagmar:

caitlin: Ah... that's because it doesn't setup quite like that. Search for mythtranscode and gentoo and you'll probably find the docs one of their users set up on how to do that

[11:04:57]

Dagmar:

Paladine: You need to specify stuff only if you have a cheap Bolivian-made monitor that doesn't respond to EDID queries

[11:05:44]

Paladine:

well they are cheap, cheapest 19" LCDs I have ever seen, but I don't know whether they respond to EDID or not

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Paladine:

I will just set it to 60Hz to be safe :)

[11:07:34]

Paladine:

my 2 new monitors just arrived so I can finally get rid of my hugeass 21" crts :)

[11:09:53]

caitlin:

ahh, gentoo, you angel of operating systems

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caitlin:

hmm... looks like stuffed transcoding perameters

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caitlin:

are they hidden in the database?

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Hoxzer:

aargh I'm boored

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caitlin:

there's a lot of "null" in these tables :p

[11:13:42]

Dagmar:

I think the Gentoo solution was to make an external shell script

[11:13:53]

caitlin:

does anyone happen to have a table dump of "recording profiles" that works?

[11:14:00]

caitlin:

i'd be curious to see what's in there

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Dibblah:

caitlin: No, you wouldn't ;)

[11:15:29]

Dibblah:

You probably want profilegroups

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caitlin:

really? why? that looks more like recording stuff

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Dibblah:

/ codecparams...

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Dibblah:

All of them link together.

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** caitlin prods normal transcode to see how that works **

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Dagmar:

Kinda like a bunch of monkeys sprayed with a mixture of LSD and epoxy

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Hoxzer:

LSD ...is baad m'kay

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ecksii:

Good morning.

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liran_:

back...

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liran_:

I don't know if the message got through before I disconnected but I was asking if anyone heard of Mvix (mvixusa.com)?

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caitlin:

so is this sticking, because it's trying to treat mp3 audio as mp2?

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ecksii:

Anyone familiar with setting up audio on bt878 cards

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Mattwj2005:

good morning everyone :)

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kavorka^:

coming to grips with removing commercials...i have flagged a recording for commercials breaks, now i want to remove them...

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kavorka^:

do i need to run this: mythcommflag --gencutlist -f /store/recordings/1521_20060930140000.mpg

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kavorka^:

then run transcode?

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Mattwj2005:

I am not sure

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Mattwj2005:

anyone else know?

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kavorka^:

doesnt look like anybody is active

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Mattwj2005:

a lot of people in the room are sleeping or something

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Mattwj2005:

181 people in the room right now

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kavorka^:

looks like it

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Mattwj2005:

I am just playing around with my new TV. It has an HDTV tuner built in :)

[11:44:57]

Mattwj2005:

I am trying to figure out if it is better to go with the cable or rabbit ears

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Mattwj2005:

kavorka do you live in the US?

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xzcvczx:

is there a way to fine tune the tv while your watching the tv?

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Mattwj2005:

what do you mean fine tune?

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xzcvczx:

well just to see whether you can get better reception

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xzcvczx:

like there is a fine tune function in the mythtv-setup but bit hard to use it if yoo cant watch tv at the same time

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Mattwj2005:

well with my TV you can move the rabbit ears around and see if the garbage stops

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xzcvczx:

well no bunny ears here

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Mattwj2005:

cable or satellite?

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xzcvczx:

no vhf/uhf but ariel is on roof

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Paladine:

hmmm I upgraded my kernel, means I have to rejig ivtv right?

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Mattwj2005:

hmmm

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xzcvczx:

Paladine: yup

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Paladine:

damnit :/

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xzcvczx:

you have to for all modules

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caitlin:

erm, tragic newb question, but can i compile mythtranscode in from svn without messing with the rest of my setup?

[11:52:04]

Paladine:

man it is gonna take some getting used to having 2560x1024 as opposed to 3200x1200 display

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xzcvczx:

and if you have upgraded 2.6.x to 2.6.x+1 or higher you will probably need new version

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Mattwj2005:

I just saw something interesting...

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** xzcvczx throws a rock at Paladine's nice display...... muhahaha go back to a 15" 102x768 lcd like me **

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Paladine:

nah I just went from 2.6.15–26 to 2.6.15–27

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Mattwj2005:

the cable company is displaying a sorry we are having problems on this channel message

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xzcvczx:

15? what distro you on?

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Paladine:

can I just put the firmware files into the new kernel directory?

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xzcvczx:

Mattwj2005: gotta love that eh

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Paladine:

ubuntu

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Mattwj2005:

yeah it is pretty fun :P

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Paladine:

hmm I forgot how to check my dots per inch as well

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Paladine:

anyone remember the command to check dpi

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Paladine:

oh damnit I still forgot to add my serial port as well lol

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Mattwj2005:

one thing that I hate about QAM HDTV is that my cable company screws up the channel numbers and removes the information my tv can display about the stream

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Paladine:

k brb gonna see if I can fix this dpi

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caitlin:

oops, my box seems to have gone tits up :(

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Mattwj2005:

well I figured out what I am going to do

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Mattwj2005:

use my rabbit ears for HDTV over the air waves and switch to analog cable if the signal starts to suck

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paladine:

anyone remember how to check dpi?

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Mattwj2005:

what happened to your box caitlin?

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Paladine:

cos fonts at the moment are sucking majorly

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caitlin:

dunno, it's just vanished. my adsl is still up though

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caitlin:

it'll probably come back :P

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Mattwj2005:

I hate when that happens :)

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kslater:

looking for opinions on the cheapest way to test the HDTV OTA waters. I'm in an area where I don't get the SD broadcast signal very well for my locals. (Hillside in the way)

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Paladine:

k dpi is 100x100 so why do my fonts look so damn aweful :/

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Mattwj2005:

hmm

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Paladine:

its just in xchat

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Paladine:

they look finein gnome terminal and firefox

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Mattwj2005:

I bought a new SDTV (which can pick up HDTV) for $220

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Mattwj2005:

it is a nice RCA 27 inch

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kslater:

have enough tv's – unfortunately, my HD capable set doesn't have an ATSC tuner

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Mattwj2005:

you can buy tuners for about $200 I think

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kslater:

yeah, I've been looking at that route. seems a lot for stinking tuner

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Mattwj2005:

if you have a really fast spare pc you could get a pcHDTV-5500

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Mattwj2005:

what is even worse is HD radio

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kslater:

At this point I'm just curious if I could even pick anything up

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Mattwj2005:

$200 to $300 for a stupid radio

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Mattwj2005:

what can you get for analog channels?

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kslater:

yeah, I've looked at those prices too

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Mattwj2005:

how clear do they come in?

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kslater:

Not bad, but I don't have a very good antenna either

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kslater:

I get a few that I would consider trying to record. (I use directv for my myth feed)

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Mattwj2005:

I compared OTA analog versus OTA HDTV and I am very surprised how well it does on a bad signal on my tv

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Mattwj2005:

oh okay :)

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kslater:

that's what I've heard from various sources. Signal for HD might actually be better than the analog signal

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kslater:

and that's why I'm looking for a cheap way to verify

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Mattwj2005:

and when it does work well....it is better than analog cable :)

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kslater:

how much grunt does an Air2PC card require to just record?

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Mattwj2005:

I am not sure

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Mattwj2005:

but recording isn't the problem....

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Mattwj2005:

playback is :)

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kslater:

right. Does air2pc lay it down unencoded?

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Mattwj2005:

I have never used it so I am not sure

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Mattwj2005:

I have used pcHDTV-5500 though

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kslater:

what does that card do?

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kslater:

w.r.t. encoded or unencoded

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Mattwj2005:

it more or less just dumps it to the hard drive

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Mattwj2005:

somewhere between 5 to 10 GB/ hr

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kslater:

whoa

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Mattwj2005:

you have to understand though....

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kslater:

what format is the file in?

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Mattwj2005:

a HDTV signal can be almost 1080i

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Mattwj2005:

that is similar to Blue Ray or HD DVD

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kslater:

right – so more info than a high quality dvd stream

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Mattwj2005:

exactly

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kslater:

format is mpeg4? mpeg2? or soemthing else?

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Mattwj2005:

I believe MPEG2

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Mattwj2005:

you might have to ask another guy to verify that....I hate to give people wrong information :)

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kslater:

if that's the case then no problem on playback – I have hardware accelerated mpeg2 decoding

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Mattwj2005:

kslater....

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Mattwj2005:

you might want to look at this too

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Mattwj2005:

http://www.silicondust.com/main/index.php?act . . . ;productId=5

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Mattwj2005:

oh okay....how many Ghz?

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kslater:

only 1.3

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antiProzac:

I just replaced a bttv card with a PVR150 and re-went through mythtv-setup. Everything went without a hitch accept all my channels are off by 1. Anyone know whats going on with that?

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Mattwj2005:

well that might be hard to do playback (if not impossible)

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kslater:

probably not enough grunt to decode

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Mattwj2005:

I have a 1.2 Ghz Celeron

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kslater:

that's ok, I could always test playback on my work laptop

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xzcvczx:

is there a way with mythtv to change the function of up & down on the remote to be change channel up or down while it is in watchtv mode?

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Mattwj2005:

it should be able to record with a pcHDTV-5500 anyways

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kslater:

HDHomeRun – that looks pretty interesting

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Mattwj2005:

yeah definitely....I haven't used it....but I know the newest version of Myth has support for it

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ikke_:

antiProzac: how do you set up sound with bttv? i have pinnacle card with sound going to sound card via cable. how do you tell mythtv to use aux for sound input?

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antiProzac:

i had a passthrough from bttv's out to my audiocards inout

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antiProzac:

used alsamixer and set my line-in as the capture device, not the default(mic)

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ikke_:

same here, but how do you tell mythtv to use that for sound input

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ikke_:

ok

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Dagmar:

Just like it says in the docs *hinthint*

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ikke_:

well, tvtime has sound ok, where as mythtv doesn't. i dunno why

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ikke_:

for some reason i can't select any capture device in alsamixer. the normal space bar does nothing there. no 'C' mark anywhere

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Paladine:

man I need to find the ivtv howto I had before

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mcD_ho:

ikke: Everything is _almost_ ok...

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ikke_:

mcD_ho: ...?

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mcD_ho:

ikke: niinkuin aiemmin ihmettelin tv_grab_fi:n toimintaa

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ikke_:

mcD_ho: i guess no orcish today... what about tv_grab

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mcD_ho:

ikke: once I got work it nice .. after that .. no program info ...

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ikke_:

mcD_ho: so what did you do differently? which tv_grab_fi?

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Dagmar:

You have an orcish locale?

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Dagmar:

I'm still waiting for the Middle English locale to work

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ikke_:

me?

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Ruleke:

hehe

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mcD_ho:

ikke: RU here later..

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ikke_:

mcD_ho: hardly ever, this is my probably first time ever

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ikke_:

sorry third

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ikke_:

new to irc anyway.

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Dagmar:

zborgerd_: *psst* I uploaded dbs-publish.sh into my scripts/ directory

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Dagmar:

wrong channel

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kslater:

Dagmar – still sounds interesting. What's dbs-publish?

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Dagmar:

Ah, just something I hacked up to facilitate easier scp'ing of built packages to our work server

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kslater:

doh

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kslater:

still looking for the solution to no PPV listing on DirecTV for Myth

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Dagmar:

We're having problems with people bein' lazy about gpg signing, so the script also (as an added inducement) tells you to piss off if one of the files to upload isn't a signature. :)

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nero:

kslater, I've been looking for that solution for 3 years.. ;)

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Beirdo:

Dagmar, nice work

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Beirdo:

I love scripts with attitudes

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kslater:

nero: I was about to cobble something up and DTV changed the way their listings work

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Dagmar:

Beirdo: We're trying to get things moved over to using gpg signatures for Slack 11.1 when it comes out

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kslater:

made scraping them much more difficult

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nero:

kslater, I think thats part of the problem, direcTV keeps changing things..

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Beirdo:

good good

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Beirdo:

gotta cut the f'ing grass this morning ;(

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kslater:

Beirdo: a fellow canadian asked me if your citizenship status changed after marrying?

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nero:

way back before zap2it, I was able to get the PPV listings through the old way things were grabbed.. a month later, it changed, and no more PPV..

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Beirdo:

no, no change at all

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Beirdo:

nothing short of renouncing your Canadian citizenship will ever remove your citizenship

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Beirdo:

as is the case with American

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Beirdo:

however, I am applying for permanent resident

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Dagmar:

Of course, that doesn't stop them from trying to get 18-year olds to renounce

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kslater:

Beirdo: wife is PR native I presume?

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Beirdo:

then MAYBE in 5 years or so... I might go for US citizenship

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

born and raised in PR

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kslater:

and that's a US territory or something like that?

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Beirdo:

Dagmar, so true.

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Beirdo:

yup.

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Beirdo:

dunno what they officially call it, but it's basically a colonial territory

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Dagmar:

Yeah a friend of mine in HS with dual British/American citizenship actually had someone come to the school to try to get him to renounce

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Beirdo:

not a state, but people here are citizens

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Dagmar:

We thought that was a bit tasteless

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Beirdo:

Dagmar, which country was pressuring him?

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Dagmar:

The US, oddly

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Beirdo:

to dump US or to dump the UK?

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Beirdo:

either way, that's tacky

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Dagmar:

To renounce his UK citizenship

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Beirdo:

figures

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Beirdo:

I'd tell them to shove it very gently up their arse

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Dagmar:

He was like "I don't take either one of them very seriously, so why are you bothering me with this?"

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Beirdo:

"you have to decide"

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Beirdo:

no you don't, yer born with both, you can keep both

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Dagmar:

Yep

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Beirdo:

at least with countries that recognize dual citizenship

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Beirdo:

which includes the US, Canada and UK

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caitlin:

wouldn't do him much good, even *with* uk citizenship he could still wind up in guantanemo

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Beirdo:

some countries don't recognize it, and will force you to renounce your previous citizenship to be naturalized

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Beirdo:

but NOT the US or UK or Canada

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Beirdo:

wouldn't mind getting British citizenship... if I were born 100 years earlier, I'd have it :)

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Beirdo:

and I'd be dead now too, but that's beside the point

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Dagmar:

...and probably Alzhiemers

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Beirdo:

likely

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Beirdo:

but it makes it easier to go to Europe to have a EU passport

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Beirdo:

and only so many English speaking countries out there :)

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caitlin:

fftp, does it fuck

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caitlin:

with all this terror stuff, the *queue* for the "EU PASSPORTS" at border control is about 14 miles long

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Beirdo:

I know that Austria won't give you citizenship unless you are fluent in German, and I bet many other countries have similar restrictions

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caitlin:

if you're foreign you just walk up to another desk!

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Dagmar:

I wish the US did

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

dream on

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Dagmar:

Our local *state* gov't just pansied-out on declaring English the offical language

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caitlin:

german, or austrian? :P

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Beirdo:

the language spoken in Austria is German

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Beirdo:

just like English is spoken in the US

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Dagmar:

I started to float a whispering campaign that it might be because the public schools aren't teaching it

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Beirdo:

even though it's a dialect, not the "real thing"

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fryfrog:

i thought the official language of the US was spanish :p

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Juski:

some people would argue about the US speaking English, btw ;)

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caitlin:

hmm, when i went to austria they sure as hell wern't speaking german.....

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Dagmar:

fryfrog: Only in the blue states. ;)

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caitlin:

it's kind of *like* german, but with a welsh accent

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fryfrog:

caitlin: are you thinking "Australia"?

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fryfrog:

ah

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Juski:

where did #mythtv-users go?

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Dagmar:

...and more vowels I hope.

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fryfrog:

you mean, a dialect :p

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Beirdo:

nah

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Dagmar:

Welsh scares me.

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Ruleke:

hehe

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fryfrog:

In switzerland, they speak swiss-german :)

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Beirdo:

it's German... just a dialect :)

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** stuarta thinks it went south **

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caitlin:

Juski, you wern't here to keep it OT

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Ruleke:

I'm happy speaking Dutch :)

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fryfrog:

well, and 3 other languages

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Juski:

caitlin: TSWGAF

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Ruleke:

yeah same here... 4 languages, 3 official ones

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Dagmar:

You see these signs on buildings and stuff, and it *looks* like you should be able to read it, but someone has cunningly stolen all the vowels and switched the letters around like in a bad dream.

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Beirdo:

and I understand Austrian German just fine

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Ruleke:

Dagmar: It's a transposition cypher ;)

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Beirdo:

written, of course... at least well enough to get around in Vienna and make myself understood

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caitlin:

juski, i dont care either, my tellybox has stopped responding :P

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Dagmar:

Ruleke: I swear it looks like it

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Dagmar:

The recent Dr. Who episode that showed a city scene there had me wondering for a moment if they'd gotten a set mixed up

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caitlin:

i went skiing, everyone there was speaking "drunk"

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Juski:

anyway the argument that people coming to the UK should all be able to speak English is a nonsense. A lot of kidz today cnt evn wrt it innit

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caitlin:

it's an easy language

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Dagmar:

caitlin: Plenty of vowels there

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kslater:

enough fun and games, "time to make the donuts"

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Juski:

make the donuts? what kind of euphemism is that?

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Dagmar:

Juski: It's from an old Dunkin' Donuts commercial.

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Ruleke:

his job is fabricating the holes

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kslater:

from an old Dunkin' Donuts commercial

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caitlin:

he's a donut puncher?

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Ruleke:

nono, they are put in by someone else, he makes the holes themselves

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kslater:

it's the mannerism of the donut make that's the key

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Ruleke:

:-)

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kslater:

s/make/maker

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Dagmar:

No, the guy in it ran the donut shop. They show him getting up in the middle of the night and somnambulistically wandering around muttering "Time to make the donuts"

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Dagmar:

...which is a much more fun phrase if you say it angrily in German.

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kslater:

xactly

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Ruleke:

yeah we ahve that with a brand of chocolate here

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Juski:

that has to be the biggest syllable count I've ever seen in here

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Dagmar:

Darn me and my eddicashuns.

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

reminds me of in university...

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Beirdo:

there was a tray of donuts going to the coffee & donut shop in the engineering buildings..

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Beirdo:

the retards put "Enjuneering C&D" on the side of it

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** Juski thinks "mmm donuts" very loudly **

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Beirdo:

of course, us enjuneers made fun of their crappy speeling

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Juski:

we had a graduate start where I work last Monday. She can't spell or punctuate

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Dagmar:

I'm guessing the next batch they made had a different hole puncher used

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caitlin:

women must be forgiven

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Juski:

why?

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caitlin:

we're cute :D

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Ruleke:

only if they ARE cute :P

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Dagmar:

Yeah whatever

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Beirdo:

women are supposed to be SMARTER than men, no?

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Juski:

there's never an excuse, cute or not

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Dagmar:

I get bitched at when I try to get women special treatment

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Ruleke:

only smarter in theory ;)

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Beirdo:

after all, we have all this testosterone to keep us cavemen-like

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Juski:

it's all those rogue apostrophe's (sic) that get to me the most

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caitlin:

heh, i was reading about roid heads

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Dagmar:

Somehow, it's apparently a chauvanist thing to say "PLEASE fill out an application. It's a bloody sausage-fest in our office."

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caitlin:

if you take too many roids it hits the auto death sequence in your neurones

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Ruleke:

hehe the bloody part is a bit worrying indeed ;)

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caitlin:

extra testosterone actually literally kills your brain

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Dagmar:

Juski: At least they're no rouge apostrophes.

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Beirdo:

roids != testosterone though.

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Juski:

Dagmar: I've seen company emails which look like they've been written in crayons by a 3 year old

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** caitlin waves most of her internal documents from her company **

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Dagmar:

lol I've send off faxes written in crayon before so I guess I shouldn't be suprised at that

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Beirdo:

Juski: me too, usually from the president

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Juski:

someone who works in the stores dept. even has a 1337 signature

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caitlin:

we've discussed starting a secret society to correct them and return to sender on the sly

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Beirdo:

nice :)

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Beirdo:

anyways, it's 9am, I'd better go start cutting the frigging lawn

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Beirdo:

before it gets too hot

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Juski:

chance'd be a fine thing here.. been raining for weeks already

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Beirdo:

I'll be back in a while, I'm sure

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Beirdo:

it rained all yesterday afternoon when I was gonna do it

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Beirdo:

have fun, people :)

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Juski:

heh. I will, after I've eaten something. I should never stay up til after 3am during the week

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Merlin83b:

Blimey, not given the time you start in the morning!

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stuarta:

i went to bed at a sensible 1am :)

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Paladine:

brb

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Paladine:

k fixed it

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Paladine:

I had to reboot for it to work

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Paladine:

the picture seemed better on my old crt monitors

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BULLE:

Paladine: your crt monitors might very well be better at displaying

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stuarta:

just about time to head out for the weekend

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Paladine:

BULLE, I just have to get used to the brightness on the LCDs

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Merlin83b:

Not in tomorrow, stuarta?

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Paladine:

they are a LOT brighter than my old trashed out crt's were

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stuarta:

nope. in france all weekend

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Ruleke:

celebrating something, stuarta ?

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Paladine:

in france?

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Paladine:

who celebrates in france :p

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stuarta:

just a weekend away with a few mates, chill out, wine, cheese etc...

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BULLE:

Paladine: or just reduce th brighness ? =)

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Ruleke:

ah ok, didn't think my bday was a holiday ;)

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Paladine:

BULLE, I changed from 50% to 40% and it still seems as bright hehehe

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Paladine:

I will have to figure out how to use the DVI cables next

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Paladine:

I tried them earlier and xorg didn't seem to like them

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Paladine:

but I had a few other problems in xorg I needed to tweak so that was probably why

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Paladine:

I will switch it back to dvi tomorrow

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Erroneous:

I'm having a problem with tinny sound when I watch TV. I know it isn't my tuner because it sounds great (though live) when I unmute line in. Any suggestions?

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DigeratiW:

do most of you have the sound from the sound card comming out of the speakers in the tv?

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DigeratiW:

I was messing with mce before i hose it and coming through the tv speakers its WEAK

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DigeratiW:

low vol

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Erroneous:

I'm using /dev/dsp for audio output, /dev/dsp for audio input @ 48kH, using analog audio

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Erroneous_:

I can't seem to figure out this tinny sound

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Erroneous_:

I'm not using s/pidf, not using /dev/adsp for output, the sound is great when you unmute line in, line is set to capture, capture volume is at 100%...

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antiProzac:

I have a PVR150 that came with this white IR receiver(with two blaster inputs as well). Is this the mceusb or mceusb2 lirc device?

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Erroneous_:

I am running a 64-bit build of arch and ATI TV Wonder Pro

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antiProzac:

I have an ATI Wonder VE

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antiProzac:

I love it

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antiProzac:

of course my res is very low(VE)

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Erroneous_:

I had one. It had an annoying buzz I couldn't stand

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antiProzac:

Erroneous_: must have been defective

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Erroneous_:

antiProzac: it was like 10 years old, so probably

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Erroneous_:

but my TV Wonder Pro I got worked great on knoppmyth. Now I'm running Archlinux x86_64 and it sounds very bad

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antiProzac:

anyone know what USB IR reciever comes with the PVR150 MCE?

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xris:

antiProzac: that's easy: none

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antiProzac:

I'm confused

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xris:

why?

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antiProzac:

its a USB IR receiver that was packaged with my PVR150 MCE

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xris:

that's odd

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Laney:

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xris:

Laney: you use DVB?

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Laney:

We were using the EIT data, but I just switched it over to xmltv if that's what you're asking

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Laney:

This problem was there before I switched though

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xris:

yeah, there's apparently some problem with wrong or incorrectly parsed EIT data.

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xris:

would be easier to just run: DELETE FROM program WHERE starttime > '2006-10–12 00:00:00'

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Laney:

ok

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** Laney takes a backup **

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xris:

that'll wipe out everything more than a week or so in the future, and it should repop tonight

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Laney:

"There's guide data until 2006-10–12 11:00 (7 days)." Much better. Thanks, xris!

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xris:

np

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xris:

I have a pretty good idea how mythweb gets that date. :)

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Juski:

cp /media/pr-selectbar.png .

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Juski:

oops!

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Zider:

pwn3d!

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Juski:

just given the "no I won't be working on my themes any more" ruse the heave-ho haven't I ?

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Merlin83b:

Heh.

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Juski:

playing with some new glassy select bars

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Juski:

haven't the foggiest idea about how to solve the 'memory hogging' problem my theme has

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Juski:

I suspect it's not the theme's fault, per se

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Juski:

a memory leak, in a theme? pfft ;-)

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Juski:

here ya go... http://www.juski.co.uk/frontend.png

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Juski:

http://www.juski.co.uk/mythfrontend.png, even

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Merlin83b:

404

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Juski:

the colour has made all the difference I think

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Juski:

actually.. whoever found that my theme was using twice the memory it 'should' could you please try it again using the Qt painter? I'm hoping it's just missing base.xml

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ecksii:

Howdy

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janneg:

Juski: will try

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Juski:

thanks janneg, though I've just found out the 4:3 theme actually has a base.xml here

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ecksii:

Can anyone give a hand with an audio problem?

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Juski:

I need subversion or something here so I can keep track properly

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ecksii:

I guess the answer to that is no.

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janneg:

Juski: ok, I'm trying it right now. there must be something strange

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Dagmar:

Juski: How'd you get a rounded bar??

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janneg:

ecksii: ask your question. asking if anyone can help without specifying the problem is just a waste of time

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Dagmar:

I was under the impression we were stuck with 'tard-o-matic Qt widgets

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Juski:

Dagmar: oh hell no :)

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Juski:

most themes' select bars are just plain filled boxes in the .png files

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Dagmar:

Ooooo

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Juski:

and that, for the want of a better word, lacks finesse IMHO

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Dagmar:

Yes, it does

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ecksii:

I have myth 0.20 on ubuntu dapper. My capture card is a bttv which works perfectly in tvtime (I know.....) I get no sound in my recordings or when I watch live tv.

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Dagmar:

This means I can definitely use that blood smear graphic I have

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Juski:

Dagmar: I think some themes have been edited with the GIMP – but even with that you can have fancy rounded bars, even Mac OS style icons

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ecksii:

I've looked at about 10 how-to on the web and I cannot seem to find one that corresponds to my setup (they all mention setup options that I don't have etc.)

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Dagmar:

Juski: I build both Gimp and Inkscape for DLG so I'm pretty much not worrying about what I can edit with. Heh

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Juski:

ecksii: is your line input selected to be recorded in your linux mixer? Or.. whatever input on the soundcard the tuner is plugged into

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ecksii:

Yes

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Juski:

Dagmar: I played with Inkscape for a good few hours & was left with nothing but admiration for people who manage to produce decent graphics with it

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Dagmar:

ecksii: You have something against the documentation? http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-7.html#ss7.1

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Dagmar:

Juski: yeah, it's a bitch to use stuff like, but you better be glad you didn't see what it was forked from

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Dagmar:

It would be easier to get interesting graphics out of old versions of Visio

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Dagmar:

...or Dia

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ecksii:

Not when it applies. I'd love to set my sound device to ALSA: Default as it says to do in that document but that's not an option in my mythsetup.

[16:49:17]

Dagmar:

Mainly I find it only a little harder to work with than Illustrator

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Dagmar:

ecksii: You know, astonishingly, I see nothing about that on the URL I referenced

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ecksii:

change the output sound device in mythfrontend->setup->Audio from /dev/dsp to ALSA:default. This field may be edited to suit your ALSA requirements. 7.2

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Dagmar:

All that matters is setting line-in as the recording device, and making sure you have the ALSA drivers for the mixer on your bttv card working right

[16:50:36]

Dagmar:

ecksii: read the paragraph above that

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Dagmar:

If you're just looking for something to copy and paste in without knowing what it is you're doing, you might want to consider Windows.

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ecksii:

I'll try it again. That's the document that I was following last night.

[16:51:46]

Dagmar:

...or shelling out a few bucks for a PVR card which does not have such unamusing issuese.

[16:52:06]

Dagmar:

I keep telling people that a framegrabber card is just not worth the trouble.

[16:52:32]

Juski:

rofl... just got off the phone with somebody I know.. getting a PC going for some relatives.. the modem wasn't working. imagine my surprise when I discovered the modem cord wasn't plugged into the modem but some other socket, just hanging loosely..

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Dagmar:

Juski: They better be glad the phone didn't ring. Ethernet ports don't much care for ring voltage.

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Juski:

I'm gonna live to regret building my inlaws a PC

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Dagmar:

The magic smoke tends to leak out.

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Juski:

lol

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ecksii:

I agree completely there. This is really just a proof of concept. Next week I'm going to San Francisco tommorow and I want to backup my Tivo's recording of BSG.

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Juski:

I dunno if an RJ11 plug would even fit in an rj45 socket

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Dagmar:

Juski: Hell, I told my parents I wouldn't build a PC for them

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ecksii:

Yes it will.

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Dagmar:

Oh a phone cord will plug right into an ethernet port

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Juski:

yikes

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Dagmar:

It's the other way around that requires the users to come up with creative ways to make it fit.

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ecksii:

Rj-11 -> Rj45 yes. RJ-45 into RJ-11 no.

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Dagmar:

...and they WILL come up with ways

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Juski:

sp that machine might need a new motherboard then

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Juski:

s/sp/so

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Juski:

or a new ethernet transformer

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Dagmar:

I've seen people go to Radio Shack and actually buy an adapter

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Dagmar:

Why the hell Radio Shack sells those things, I have no idea.

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Juski:

Dagmar: because in some buildings, installers use CAT5 & RJ45 sockets throughout. the adapter gives you a phone socket from RJ45 ;)

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Dagmar:

If the answer is "RJ45->RJ11 adapter" the question was a sstupid one.

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Dagmar:

Juski only in places where they've been hiring "special dispensation workers" from the "assisted living facility"

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Dagmar:

Moral: Don't let retards snake your cable infrastructure.

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jams:

alot of the more advanced office phone systems use rj-45

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Dagmar:

Yeah, but they're not simple phone systems

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jams:

it's very common

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Dagmar:

Those are almost invariably multi-line PBX networks.

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ecksii:

As does my house

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Dagmar:

They ain't "household" ringer-tip pairs

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Dagmar:

ecksii: So find the guys who did that and beat the crap out of them.

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Juski:

I'd hope a network port would survive 50VAC up its ass anyway

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Dagmar:

"Normal" phones should never be run using RJ45

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Dagmar:

Juski: I've seen it going as high as 90V tho

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Dagmar:

I no longer strip phone cables with my teeth because of that

[16:58:47]

Dagmar:

It takes a while for the feeling to come back to your lips and tongue.

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Dagmar:

ecksii: Seriously, in the US, no qualified contractor is going to run phone jacks with RJ45. They *will* use the correct sockets for it.

[17:00:28]

Dagmar:

I'm trying to think of how someone could follow that up, and I'm thinking maybe running 220V three-phase right to the usual 110V sockets would probably be it.

[17:00:47]

kslater:

how much heritage does mytharchive inherit from mythtvburn?

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ecksii:

The Jacks upstairs are RJ-11 The ones in the basement are RJ-45 so you can cross connect to the PBX. Depends on your contractor.

[17:01:29]

Juski:

kslater: AFAIK it's just mythburn with a UI, more or less

[17:01:55]

ecksii:

Okay. I'm curious: can I assume that the mixer is setup right if sound recorder records tv?

[17:03:05]

kslater:

Juski: mythtvburn used some java code to do some of the re-encoding, is there still that dependency in mytharchive?

[17:03:36]

Dagmar:

ecksii: You can also cross your fingers and look into btaudio http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#btaudio

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fryfrog:

ahhaha

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fryfrog:

yeah, cross em good too

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ecksii:

modprobe btaudio failed.

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fryfrog:

i had two "bttv" cards and neither had working audio with btaudio :(

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kslater:

I was just upgrading the jvm on one of the mythboxen and hope I didn't tample on mytharchive

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fryfrog:

"failed"?

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fryfrog:

like "module not found"?

[17:04:18]

janneg:

Juski: it is overall a little bit better with qt painter, ca. 20M less for ProjektGrayhem

[17:04:24]

Juski:

kslater: don't think it depends on projectX anymore

[17:04:35]

kslater:

cool. thanks.

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ecksii:

yeah

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Juski:

janneg: someone with some real good know-how is gonna have to look at it. AFAIK my theme doesn't do anything screwy

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janneg:

but ProjectGrayhem uses still more than 50% more memory

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ecksii:

I have to build a new kernel to get that module eh?

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ecksii:

Joy

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kslater:

anyone here grok air2pc?

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fryfrog:

grok?

[17:05:38]

kslater:

understand on a deep level

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Beirdo:

Finally... 4h later... lawn is done

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fryfrog:

I have a pair of the air2pc cards doing QAM, if that is what "grok" means?

[17:05:51]

kslater:

that's some lawn

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fryfrog:

Beirdo: get some bigger sissors :)

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Dagmar:

Beirdo: How many acres is your yard?

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fryfrog:

or a goat!

[17:06:10]

Beirdo:

well, it's a large yard... and some grass was 1ft high

[17:06:17]

kslater:

what format do those cards lay down recordings in?

[17:06:23]

fryfrog:

mpeg2 sir

[17:06:31]

fryfrog:

~5–6G / hr

[17:06:36]

kslater:

ok

[17:06:58]

kslater:

they also do the atsc signal, yes?

[17:07:09]

kslater:

8VSB or whatever?

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fryfrog:

i think their primary goal is ATSC

[17:07:20]

fryfrog:

they just also do QAM in the later gen cards

[17:07:25]

kslater:

k

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Juski:

janneg – what confuses me is that the -wide version is okay

[17:07:36]

kslater:

looking for a cheap way to test the OTA HD waters

[17:07:37]

fryfrog:

ie, ebay $40 is OTA ATSC only, $120 card is 5th gen QAM & ATSC

[17:07:51]

fryfrog:

kslater: search ebay for air2pc, pick up one of the $40 cards :)

[17:08:07]

kslater:

yeah, I think that's the ticket

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fryfrog:

they are gen1 or gen2, so no QAM... but that sounds like a non-issue for you

[17:08:13]

fryfrog:

*OR*

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kslater:

need to sell a few things first

[17:08:15]

fryfrog:

if you have cable already?

[17:08:22]

fryfrog:

you could try firewire output from the HD box

[17:08:28]

kslater:

I don't have cable

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janneg:

ivor: is your memory annotation tool usable by anyone else?

[17:08:30]

fryfrog:

ah

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janneg:

Juski: yes, me too

[17:08:38]

kslater:

and I'm resisting

[17:09:31]

fryfrog:

I'm torn between dropping down to lowest subscription

[17:09:44]

fryfrog:

I ordered them to come out and swap my DVR for 2x HD STBs

[17:09:46]

seth|laptop:

I use one of the $40 cards from e-bay, it works so good, I bought another one. Nothing like free HDTV

[17:09:49]

ivor:

janneg: pong

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fryfrog:

*Hoping* for HD/SD over firewire

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janneg:

ivor: yes

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fryfrog:

would be satisfied with HD/SD over svideo -> PVR500

[17:10:21]

Dagmar:

Weird. Another page claiming 80-pin IDE cables are pinned for cable-select operation

[17:10:28]

fryfrog:

they are

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** seth|laptop wants a pvr500 **

[17:10:30]

ivor:

janneg: yes no reason why not. it's not really a friendly, fluffy end user tool. but its not bad.

[17:10:34]

fryfrog:

the end is master, middle is slave

[17:10:52]

fryfrog:

if you look closely at an 80pin cable, you *should* see a notch taken out

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Dagmar:

fryfrog: No, there's no difference in which pins connect to where on any of the ones I've ever gotten

[17:10:59]

fryfrog:

maybe a mm long

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Dagmar:

fryfrog: There's no notches on any of mine

[17:11:15]

kslater:

hd -> svideo -> pvr500, I'd think you'd be giving up quite a lot

[17:11:16]

fryfrog:

Dagmar: well, are you setting the drive to CS or Master / Slave specifically?

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Dagmar:

In any case, it's definitely overrideable with master/slave settings

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fryfrog:

yeah, sure of course if you set master/slave, it doesn't matter

[17:11:49]

fryfrog:

but if you do cs with 80wire cable, the "middle" slot should be slave, end master

[17:11:51]

Juski:

one thing has puzzled me for a while... in the programme guide I always have this really annoying jittery background behind the grid, but I can't find where it comes from. any ideas?

[17:11:52]

janneg:

ivor: ok, better than massif or redoing something similar myself

[17:12:03]

fryfrog:

though i honestly am not sure what happens if you have *one* drive and it is hooked to the middle / slave plug

[17:12:14]

Beirdo:

it should be slave

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Beirdo:

unless you jumper override

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ivor:

janneg: yeah because it's designed specifically to run in real time on a video app like mythtv.

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Beirdo:

of course, I only ever put ONE IDE drive on a cable these days :)

[17:12:50]

ecksii:

So am I correct in assuming that if sound recorder can record the TV then I've got something plumbed wrong in Myth?

[17:12:55]

ivor:

I used it on my epia for example.

[17:12:55]

Juski:

ahh there it is.. took a screenshot & zoomed in.. damn checkerboard pattern. I wonder where that's kept

[17:12:58]

Beirdo:

ivor, you have a URL I could look at?

[17:13:31]

ivor:

can everyone keep pestering me and make sure I spend tonight putting it online?

[17:13:35]

fryfrog:

Beirdo: who even uses IDE? SATA FTW :)

[17:13:57]

janneg:

ivor: we'll try

[17:13:58]

Beirdo:

ivor, OK. :) hehe. Sorry, didn't realize it wasn't up yet :)

[17:14:20]

ivor:

Beirdo: I keep promising to give it to people. but I just get snowed under.

[17:14:20]

Beirdo:

fryfrog, I still have IDE in many machines as I have the drives and don't want to toss them

[17:14:23]

** Juski uses IDE til he dies **

[17:14:24]

Beirdo:

I hear ya

[17:14:35]

ivor:

so if evernone peseters me.. I might get fed up enough to do it. :D

[17:14:49]

Beirdo:

I have too many projects on the go, prioritizing can be such a pain :)

[17:15:23]

kslater:

ivor: if it's something to do with myth and useful on an epia, I'm interested

[17:15:48]

Beirdo:

well, I think I should go make me some lunch.

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Beirdo:

then maybe I'll look at one of the projects for a bit :)

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janneg:

kslater: it's a development tool to check memory usage

[17:16:53]

janneg:

so nothing mythtv specific

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fryfrog:

I really hope these HD tuners do firewire well, I would love to build my parents a mythbox to play with :)

[17:18:18]

seth|laptop:

http://www.9thtee.com/hdhomerun.htm this looks really tempting, there is even a forum on how to set it up in myth, and 2 tuners for $170 US, very tempting....

[17:18:20]

ivor:

http://myth.ivor.org/live1.png

[17:18:36]

ivor:

you get funky charts showing allocations over time

[17:20:43]

ivor:

http://myth.ivor.org/2lives.png

[17:21:49]

Juski:

damn.. wonder if this chequered pattern has anything to do with the filling method

[17:21:59]

PsychoI3oy:

I'm having what I believe to be a common problem, but I can't find a solution that works

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ivor:

Juski: magic 8 ball says probably

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fryfrog:

seth|laptop: why not get 2x air2pc for $80?

[17:22:29]

fryfrog:

or 4x for $160?

[17:23:01]

Juski:

ivor: nope

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seth|laptop:

$40 air2pc doesn't do QAM. If I switch to cable (ack) they have unencrypted HD over thier feed. More channels

[17:23:13]

PsychoI3oy:

an old sblive (no +, mp3, 24bit, 5.1 or nothing, just live) and a bttv based card, with the audio going to the internal 4 pin 'aux' connector (same as internal cd audio) and no sound in mythtv

[17:23:21]

Juski:

the category colours are dithered, that's what it looks like

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seth|laptop:

but I have 2 of the air2pc cards now, and I will probably just keep them, heh, its just an interesting concept (one I will most likely not be able to float by the wife [whip cracking sound])

[17:25:25]

mchou:

hehe

[17:26:06]

mchou:

seth|laptop: is she a dominamatrix? :)

[17:26:14]

seth|laptop:

I wish, heh

[17:26:22]

Juski:

just ask :-P

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seth|laptop:

actually she has taken quite well to the mythcenter project. I should be greatful ;-)

[17:26:41]

Juski:

can only say 'no' and you may even get to regret asking

[17:26:44]

mchou:

seth|laptop: I see more air2pc's in your future :)

[17:27:15]

PsychoI3oy:

anyone got any suggestions?

[17:27:35]

PsychoI3oy:

i'll happily RTFM if someone can point me at a reliable FM to R

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seth|laptop:

Psychol3oy, have you checked your alsamixer settings to make sure that the "line" input is not muted?

[17:28:16]

Beirdo:

umm, not muted?

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PsychoI3oy:

aux is unmuted

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Juski:

line input should be muted at all times

[17:28:37]

Beirdo:

it should normally BE muted from the output, and set as a capture source

[17:28:39]

PsychoI3oy:

audio is fine in tvtime

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ecksii:

Another audio problem?

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Juski:

if you don't hear audio in mythtv but you do in tvtime, as above, try unmuting the tuner audio with v4lctl

[17:29:01]

PsychoI3oy:

ecksii, but of course

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PsychoI3oy:

<--- mythn00b

[17:29:25]

** Juski has no audio problems.. pvr150 & DVB-T tuners <8 **

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PsychoI3oy:

i don't appear to have v4lctl installed (i just read that somewhere)

[17:29:45]

Juski:

PsychoI3oy: so get it.. usually comes with xawtv

[17:29:58]

** PsychoI3oy goes to emerge -s **

[17:30:13]

** ecksii firs up synaptic. **

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Juski:

if you had the audio input umuted (which you don't do for mythtv) and you suddenly hear audio if you open tvtime, that's the problem

[17:30:26]

** PsychoI3oy emerges **

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fryfrog:

PsychoI3oy: "emerge esearch && eupdatedb -v" :)

[17:30:37]

seth|laptop:

http://knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=BTTV+BTAudio this might be of some help

[17:30:39]

fryfrog:

esearch, ftw

[17:30:50]

Beirdo:

emerge ubuntu :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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fryfrog:

ahah

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Beirdo:

gentoo's cool and all, but damn, I got tired of compiling all the time

[17:31:19]

Juski:

seth|laptop: no frickin good, that.. you need to join up.. I'll have a word with someone about that sometime

[17:31:21]

PsychoI3oy:

Beirdo, i would, if the ubuntu CD had the custom hpt366 driver my SATA card needs

[17:31:37]

Beirdo:

heh, it doesn't?

[17:31:40]

Beirdo:

wow

[17:31:44]

PsychoI3oy:

the stock driver broke in 2.6.8

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seth|laptop:

I thought anyone could get to the wiki, just not the forums

[17:31:54]

Zider:

I thought hpt366 was for pata chip

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PsychoI3oy:

so I was on 2.6.7 till I found someone's driver

[17:32:14]

PsychoI3oy:

Zider, this is an old highpoint rocketraid 1520

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fryfrog:

I have been *really* strongly considering moving to Ubuntu, for server and desktop

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Zider:

k

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PsychoI3oy:

PATA raid card with SATA passthrough

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Zider:

weird :D

[17:32:29]

caitlin:

ubuntu is love

[17:32:33]

fryfrog:

but every time i get close i remember how much work it'll be and how much down time i'll need :(

[17:32:34]

Beirdo:

I dunno, I don't think I'd trust HPT much further than I could throw it. too many issues over the years

[17:32:40]

Beirdo:

but you got it :)

[17:32:40]

fryfrog:

wtf is sata passthrough?

[17:32:53]

** seth|laptop just installed xubuntu on the laptop, for portabl;e mythfrontend. Very nice OS **

[17:33:01]

PsychoI3oy:

a friend runs his hosting company on highpoint cards and swears by them

[17:33:03]

Beirdo:

fryfrog, it's worth a try sometime if you have a spare machine

[17:33:14]

PsychoI3oy:

he hosts a little webcomic called 'userfriendly'

[17:33:18]

fryfrog:

Ubuntu? Oh, I have it on both my laptops to dual boot

[17:33:19]

fryfrog:

duel

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fryfrog:

dual?

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Beirdo:

dual

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PsychoI3oy:

so i kinda trust his opinion

[17:33:37]

Beirdo:

duel is when you shoot each other at 20 paces

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fryfrog:

I <3 Ubuntu, just a pain to switch my server to it

[17:33:39]

Zider:

I have a hpt360 (or something) until I've gotten some pata2sata-adapters..

[17:33:43]

fryfrog:

ah, yes duel :)

[17:33:47]

PsychoI3oy:

fryfrog, depends if windows is the other OS, then it can be a duel between OSes

[17:33:48]

fryfrog:

blam!

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fryfrog:

ahha

[17:34:06]

fryfrog:

i just found the best xls file in the world

[17:34:11]

Beirdo:

yeah, moving a server to a new distro is ALWAYS a pain

[17:34:13]

** PsychoI3oy scrolls up for that unmute thingy **

[17:34:15]

fryfrog:

http://www.omninerd.com/2006/07/03/articles/56

[17:34:16]

seth|laptop:

i have vista rc1 and xubuntu on here now

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fryfrog:

plus, as much as gentoo can be a pain in the ass

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fryfrog:

it is *really* nice to have almost everything i have ever wanted *in* portage

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Beirdo:

I did the FC1, RH7.3, RH8, RH9 -> ubuntu like a year back... it was a PAIN

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fryfrog:

and if it wasn't, someone had an ebuild at bugs.gentoo.org

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PsychoI3oy:

um

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fryfrog:

and if that didn't exist, it is actually pretty easy to *make* an ebuild and get it into gentoo relativly quickly

[17:35:07]

PsychoI3oy:

i unmuted with v4lctl

[17:35:10]

PsychoI3oy:

i'm not playing tv

[17:35:15]

PsychoI3oy:

I hear TLC in the background now

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Juski:

PsychoI3oy: mute the audio channel in the mixer again

[17:35:41]

fryfrog:

hehe

[17:35:49]

Beirdo:

damned neighbor's dog is over here again

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PsychoI3oy:

ah

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Beirdo:

stupid little chihuahua-like mutt

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PsychoI3oy:

now no audio in mythtv

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Juski:

PsychoI3oy: again make sure that audio input is selected to be recorded

[17:36:33]

PsychoI3oy:

but this is getting me somewhere, which is good

[17:36:43]

PsychoI3oy:

in alsamixer?

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Juski:

you can test it with a sound recorder app also

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Juski:

yeah in alsamixer or whatever

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PsychoI3oy:

IT'S REALLY LOUD BUT IT WORKS NOW

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PsychoI3oy:

ow

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ecksii:

Thanks. The v4lctl was my audio problem

[17:38:09]

Beirdo:

hehe

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Juski:

this'll be fixed in 0.21 – I hope it the fix gets brought into 0.20 aswell. seen a lot of that

[17:38:16]

Beirdo:

loud is also fixable

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Beirdo:

mixers are a good thing ;)

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Juski:

though it stands to reason not to bother even trying to use software encoders.. they're a royal PITA

[17:39:11]

Beirdo:

meh, they are fine mostly :)

[17:39:16]

Beirdo:

just require too much CPU

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Beirdo:

and too much fiddling

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Beirdo:

and... yeah, screw frame grabbers... unless you are stuck with em

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Juski:

too much fiddling == PITA

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Beirdo:

yup

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ecksii:

brb

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Beirdo:

oooh, Goon Show to be recorded in 2h

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Beirdo:

muhahah

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PsychoI3oy:

thanks a ton guys (and girls?)

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Juski:

all in a days' work ;)

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superm1:

Hey guys, i was wondering when mythtv is compiled with --compile-type=debug – is the only real change that the CFLAGS have -g added? Or are there other things affected as well

[17:41:48]

Beirdo:

hmmm.

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Beirdo:

less Makefile?

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Beirdo:

dunno, off hand

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PsychoI3oy:

RingTFM is good and all, but sometimes you need real people to talk to, heh

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superm1:

hehe i was hoping for a quick answer, not having to dig thru the makefile and see what else happens :)

[17:42:36]

superm1:

thanks anyhow though

[17:42:56]

Beirdo:

been a while since I bothered to look, superm1. ;(

[17:43:31]

Juski:

does the shading method for qt get changed without having to restart mythfrontend?

[17:43:32]

** seth|laptop needs the packages required to build mythtv in xubuntu, not installed? **

[17:43:33]

superm1:

well i'm just looking to build the package to adhere to a new ubuntu spec, and wanted to make sure there were no other large repercussions

[17:43:40]

ecksii:

Perfect

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PsychoI3oy:

now I get to learn how to record n stuff

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PsychoI3oy:

which shouldn't be a problem

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Juski:

dammit I still can't find where this damn dithered pattern is coming from

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jams:

Juski- yes the chading method changes without restarting

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jams:

shading

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Beirdo:

Juski, number of colors in the graphics different from the bit depth in X?

[17:45:05]

Beirdo:

like 24bit graphics, 16bit X

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ecksii:

Thanks much guys as a result of your help I'll be able to see BSG tommorow after I land in San Francisco

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seth|laptop:

mmm BSG, new season, can't wait

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Juski:

Beirdo: nope

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Beirdo:

K. Worth checking, I've forgotten silly things like that before ;)

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Juski:

all my .pngs are 24-bit colour

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Beirdo:

well, as long as X is running in 24-bit mode, that should be splendid ;)

[17:48:25]

Beirdo:

pity the fool who tries to watch TV in 8-bit color

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caitlin:

urm... so if i wanted to compile mythtranscode.. where would i find the sources?

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simcop2387:

Beirdo: do any cards support XV in 8bit?

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Beirdo:

I doubt it, actually :)

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simcop2387:

Beirdo: ooo! TV in 1bit!

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Beirdo:

heh

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Juski:

actually.. both the programme guides look dithered all over, not just the grid area

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Juski:

other screens don't

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Beirdo:

true black and white

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seth|laptop:

I think mythtranscode is part of the mythplugins package, and if you riun ./configure --prefix=/usr --enable-all it should work

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caitlin:

hrm, i'm going to have to compile everything i think, i've got everything from binaries

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superm1:

mythtranscode should have came in the mythtv package not mythplugins

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caitlin:

i cant find any trace of it in my system aside from the binary /usr/bin/mythtranscode

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ecksii:

Gotta bounce brb

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superm1:

caitlin, mythtranscode is built when you build the mythtv source package. Are you looking to just patch it?

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caitlin:

i'm not 100% sure what i want to do at all... i was hoping i could just rebuild IT... it's just not working at all

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caitlin:

i thought i'd try recompiling it to see if it worked better

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caitlin:

i'm using some hacked up .deb install for 0.20 on ubuntu

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caitlin:

not compiled from scratch

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superm1:

caitlin, are you on edgy or dapper?

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caitlin:

dapper

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superm1:

i have a repo put together if your amd64 or i386

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seth|laptop:

sweet

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superm1:

that you've probably come across

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seth|laptop:

dapper -xubuntu – amd64

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superm1:

yea you should be able to use it too then

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superm1:

add this to /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1 dapper main

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** seth|laptop is a first time ubuntu user, is it normal not to have the tools to compile items on a new install? **

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superm1:

that is normal

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superm1:

usually you wont need to hunt too much for packages though

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caitlin:

it is indeed your package

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superm1:

and minimal compiling

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caitlin:

so what did you do wrong then? :P

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superm1:

hehe

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superm1:

whats happening for you?

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caitlin:

mythtrancode just bombs out

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caitlin:

can i pm you?

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superm1:

sure

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superm1:

you have to be registered on freenode to do so though i think

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superm1:

(not sure if you are)

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caitlin:

oh

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caitlin:

sod that then, i just wanted to avoid the extra channel noise

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superm1:

if you msg nickserv, you can register and such

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superm1:

and then you'll be able to pm me

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superm1:

i think its /msg nickserv register YOURPASSWORD

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superm1:

and you register your nick to that password

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caitlin:

i'm just rooting in logfiles

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superm1:

seth|laptop, once you add that to your /etc/apt/sources.list, run sudo apt-get update, and then the misc myth binaries will be available to you in synaptic

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superm1:

caitlin, are you using firewire recording by chance?

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caitlin:

nope

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caitlin:

dvb-t card

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caitlin:

2006-10–05 19:04:03.939 Unknown video codec:

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superm1:

could be the same scenario then. i've noticed some oddly crafted mpeg2 files will kill mythtranscode

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superm1:

i run into the same thing

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pben:

hi

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** seth|laptop updates sources.list **

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superm1:

if i record HD via firewire it kills it, if I get HD from my Air2PC its fine, and if i get anything from my PVR500 its fine

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superm1:

but i've had this going on since .19 (and unfortunately have some stuff i've wanted to archive for ages but cant still)

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janneg:

Juski: the images uses with the wide theme remarkable less memory. and it is probably correct, since they are greater in the non-wide theme

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caitlin:

is it just luck then, if it works?

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superm1:

well i haven't identified what it is about these files that kills it.

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benp:

i have just purchased an xbox dvd remote especially so that i could use mythtv, i don't think it's an original one, says it's a speed link, will it work or should i not bother trying?

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superm1:

but it shouldnt be anything specific to ubuntu or debian packaging, especially since its been this way since .19 when i used to just do checkinstall's

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caitlin:

hmm

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superm1:

do you have other content that you can try on it?

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superm1:

or just the dvb-t card

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caitlin:

just the dvb

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seth|laptop:

are the packages required to build things in ubuntu on the cd, or wil that need to be fetched from the internet?

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superm1:

i'm not sure if they actually come on the CD

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superm1:

the packages your looking for are build-essential

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superm1:

you tried other channels? (posibly different mpeg2 transport used)

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caitlin:

i'll chuck a bunch of files at it in a min... just cramming pizza in my mouth

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superm1:

hehe

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caitlin:

this rather seems to be failing on all files

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caitlin:

also, i burned the top of my mouth on the cheese :(

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fryfrog:

OZ NOZ!

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superm1:

haha. by chance could you get me a sample of one of your files? I'll run it through mythtranscode later on tonite when i get home

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superm1:

and see if i end up the same

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caitlin:

how big is big?

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superm1:

well if you email it to me, my email limit is 10 megs, if you have webspace somewhere, that'd be ideal

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superm1:

maybe a 20–40 meg file would do

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caitlin:

68 mb is on it's way to my webspace

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superm1:

okay great.

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DoofsMcDiddles:

hi, i am using satellite with myth, and i am using the 3 rca jacks, but what is the audio input?

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DoofsMcDiddles:

tad?

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DoofsMcDiddles:

pvr-150mce

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superm1:

DoofsMcDiddles, red and white are usually the audio

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DoofsMcDiddles:

superm1, i mean, what device do i tell the computer the audio is

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fryfrog:

huh?

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caitlin:

...at 30kps :(

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xris:

DoofsMcDiddles: you don't. the tuner card does that for you

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fryfrog:

DoofsMcDiddles: pick the "MPEG2" thing and you won't deal with that stuff

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caitlin:

it'll download much faster when you get it :/ it's a fast server

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DoofsMcDiddles:

basically, i'm getting video but no audio

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fryfrog:

you point it at /dev/video0 and that is it

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xris:

DoofsMcDiddles: so you get other audio with your machine? try mp3, etc?

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superm1:

well wouldn't matter too much one way or the other. i won't be home from work for another 6 hours or so

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DoofsMcDiddles:

yes, all that works

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fryfrog:

you could look at dmesg around the time you load your ivtv modules and see if anything went badly

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xris:

DoofsMcDiddles: did you install the audio firmware file properly?

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DoofsMcDiddles:

i had been using it with cable just fine

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fryfrog:

ah

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xris:

odd. I had no trouble using svideo with my card. It just pulled the audio from the right plugs. Have you verified that there is any audio signal coming from the sat box?

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Honk^away:

how do you properly connect 2 pcs (svideo to svideo (a normal svideo to svido cable i'd assume)) and tell mythtv to display that connection? =)

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** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

video card svideo out to tv capture card svideo in?

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Honk^away:

yeah

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Honk^away:

that's the idea =)

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kormoc:

so why ask if you know?

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caitlin:

it's a joke, innit?

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caitlin:

"to get to the other computer"

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DoofsMC:

hi xris

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DoofsMC:

ok, i got sound working and everythign in windows

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DoofsMC:

but in linux i am having problems

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DoofsMC:

i HAD been using cable fine w/mythtv

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DoofsMC:

it seems to only let me choose my webcam as video source, or chooses it automatically

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DoofsMC:

is it still "tuner 1?"

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fryfrog:

no, you'd pick svideo 1,2 or 3

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fryfrog:

er, composite i mean, right?

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DoofsMC:

all i see is tuner 1 and spca(webcam)

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DoofsMC:

i have pvr-150mce

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DoofsMC:

ivtv module

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fryfrog:

what do you mean?

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DoofsMC:

that's the tv card i have

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DoofsMC:

yeah, hardware should be OK, cuz i am using it in xp fine now

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fryfrog:

Right, in myth when you run "mythtv-setup"

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fryfrog:

you add a card of type "mpeg2" and point it to somethin glike /dev/video0

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fryfrog:

then, you bind your channel line up to the "composite 1" or "composite 2" or something

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superm1:

caitlin, if I'm not around IRC when you finish your upload, send me an email to superm1@gmail.com with a link to take a look at your file. I should be able to look at it later tonite after work.

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DoofsMC:

fryfrog, hold one second

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DoofsMC:

rebooting to linux

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caitlin:

superm1_away, you should have mail

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caitlin:

and it should be ready to grab by the time you get home

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caitlin:

72% atm

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DoofsMC:

fry you there?

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fryfrog:

yes, i am

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DoofsMC:

ok, under general

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DoofsMC:

tv format ntfs

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DoofsMC:

what for chjannel frequency table?

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DoofsMC:

ntsc, sorry

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defi___:

Hi all

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fryfrog:

default is fine, you won't be using the tuner

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fryfrog:

so it doesn't matter

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fryfrog:

the important spot is the cards one, which you probably did?

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defi___:

My backend keeps locking up my ivtv devices, any bugs about this?

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fryfrog:

and then the "input configuration" or what ever its called

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DoofsMC:

oh apparently my tv card is back at /dev/video1

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DoofsMC:

i wish i could stop it from changing

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fryfrog:

what is it jockying with?

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DoofsMC:

under input connections

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DoofsMC:

fryfrog, webcam

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DoofsMC:

under input cnnections, i do mpeg /dev/video1 composite 1?

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fryfrog:

yeah, that might be it

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fryfrog:

mine was composite 3 on a pvr250 for some reason

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fryfrog:

you may need to experiment

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DoofsMC:

only compositive listed is 1

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DoofsMC:

ok, it scnaned for channels

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DoofsMC:

and it stopped at 83

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DoofsMC:

oh wait, there is a comp 2

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fryfrog:

wtf?

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fryfrog:

you don't scan for channels with composite

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DoofsMC:

oh ok

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fryfrog:

you'll have to bind it to a channel line up

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DoofsMC:

so what do i do under channel editor?

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fryfrog:

ie, from datadirect

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fryfrog:

nothing, unless you are going to manually configure all your channels?

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DoofsMC:

no, so how do i bind?

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DoofsMC:

i have zap2it thing under video source

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DoofsMC:

and data direct lineup listed

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fryfrog:

goto the binding spot

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fryfrog:

i forget what options it is

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fryfrog:

prolly 2nd to last?

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fryfrog:

and then choose the composite 1 (or 2) and select the lineup you picked

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DoofsMC:

should i have perform eit scan selected?

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fryfrog:

probably not

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DoofsMC:

so under input

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DoofsMC:

i select video source as the one i just created

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DoofsMC:

do i do scan for channels?

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antiProzac:

I dont, I fetch them

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fryfrog:

no, no scan

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fryfrog:

how would you scan with rca?

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antiProzac:

you cant

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antiProzac:

unless you have channel.pl set up

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fryfrog:

the poor little guy woudln't even know if a channel was comign in or not

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fryfrog:

how are you planning to *change* channels btw?

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DoofsMC:

man, i am having to do this on dialup

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DoofsMC:

fryfrog, who, me?

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benp:

does anyone know if you need to get an official xbox remote in order to use with mythtv on the xbox?

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seth|laptop:

i wouldn't think so, lirc shouldn't care

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benp:

:/

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fryfrog:

DoofsMC: yeah, you

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DoofsMC:

usb-uirt

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benp:

well i have followed the instructions ste by step on this page: http://www.mythtv-xbox.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=36 but it seems really flaky

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fryfrog:

ah

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seth|laptop:

are you using the xbox remote on an xbox, or on a pc

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antiProzac:

my delema. lirc installed fine. mode2 was extremely accurate. Never missed a button press. I used irrecord to make a conf file(twice now). lirc only catches about 50% of my remote presses. Anyone know why?

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benp:

on an xbox

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seth|laptop:

then it should just work for you. strange

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benp:

dammit :)

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seth|laptop:

there is a box somewhere in the settings, to "enable xbox hardware" not sure where I saw it, but that should probably be checked

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benp:

ah okies

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benp:

will try

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antiProzac:

anyone have a remote that came with a hauppauge PVR. The one with the flywing windows logo in the center?

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seth|laptop:

I have the MCE remote, came with a 150MCE card

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antiProzac:

thats what I have... I think

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antiProzac:

was there a supported lircd.conf file for it on the lirc site?

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seth|laptop:

silver, MCE windows button in the middle?

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antiProzac:

thats the one

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seth|laptop:

mceusb2

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antiProzac:

I'm not using that reciever, I have a homebrew serial

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seth|laptop:

if it is a phillips, mceusb if it is something else

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antiProzac:

but I am using that silver remote

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seth|laptop:

ah

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antiProzac:

I dont know who makes this remote

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seth|laptop:

I used the usb piece that came with it

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antiProzac:

there is no vendor info, it says RC6 on the back

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seth|laptop:

that is a phillips

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sos:

'lo, quick question in relation to mythtv 'Internal' player, I see a lot of howtos/information (and the default setting) of playing video files (via the mythvideo plugin) of using mplaye/xine — what is wrong, or what are dowsides of using Internal player as opposed to xine/mplayer (although I am aware Internal seems to have issues with mkv files — on 0.20 at least)

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antiProzac:

I gave up on the USB receiver(and the blaster for that matter)

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seth|laptop:

everrything rc3 and higher was the phillips

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Ediehow:

antiProzac, usb-uirt

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antiProzac:

seth|laptop: did you create your own lircd.conf file using irrecord? or did you find one listed

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seth|laptop:

i found one listed, you could use the mceusb2 conf file, and then just change hardware.conf to tty1 insteab of USB?

[19:14:42]

Ediehow:

holy cow mythfilldatabase takes awhile on dialup

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seth|laptop:

but I would only be guessing, i used the usb one that came with it

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antiProzac:

seth|laptop: in this directory http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/hauppauge/ ?

[19:17:51]

seth|laptop:

i don't think the hauppauge ones will work

[19:17:56]

seth|laptop:

lemme check something

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antiProzac:

they dont, I tried

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kormoc:

antiProzac, I have the same remote as you, works fine

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antiProzac:

kormoc: can I borrow your lircd.conf then

[19:18:32]

kormoc:

sure

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kormoc:

http://kormoc.homelinux.org/lircd.conf

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kormoc:

http://kormoc.homelinux.org/lircrc <-- my myth lircrc

[19:19:38]

antiProzac:

thanks!

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kormoc:

uses the lirc_mceusb2 driver

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slide:

yay i finally have my mythbox fully operational

[19:20:13]

slide:

just gotta get my xbox hooked up to the network and then xbmc can connect to it :)

[19:20:46]

aevil:

is the xbmcmythtv script updated to use the newest protocol?

[19:21:14]

benp:

seth|laptop: i found the option that you tick, i checked it and re-started mythfrontend but it still behaved in a similar manner

[19:21:38]

seth|laptop:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remo . . . ation_guides antiProzac,have you checked here

[19:21:57]

slide:

aevil, i dunno

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seth|laptop:

benp when you type irw and push buttons on the remote, do you get anything?

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slide:

ill see when i try it hehe

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antiProzac:

kormoc: wow! that works great! thank you very much

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kormoc:

you're welcome, glad to help

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seth|laptop:

that link shows you how to have it automatically load thatdriver

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benp:

when i press up it seems to be mapped to enter and right makes it go skitz (selects multiple options) not only that, but when i exit back to X i can't move right and left with the controller until i unplug the IR reciever

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seth|laptop:

what version of linux you running on that xbox

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benp:

xebian 1.1.4

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benp:

brb

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seth|laptop:

go to this site, and follow the directions on "Setup the Remote" section. I had this issue as well, and it resolved it for me http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/MythTV_on_Xebian_HOWTO

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DoofsMC:

ok fryfrog

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DoofsMC:

it looks like it works

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DoofsMC:

hopefully it won't be hard getting usb-uirt working

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clars:

[total newbie is here] Inside "Capture Card Setup" I Got 8 option for Card Type – But how do find out what option I can use?

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caitlin:

what sort of card do you have?

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Juski:

clars: what kind of card do you have?

[19:59:39]

armand:

what kind of card?

[19:59:45]

caitlin:

JINX

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Juski:

anyone else wanna ask what kind of card?

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Juski:

;-)

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caitlin:

my timestamps say i won

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Juski:

my timestamps say my question is rhetorical

[20:00:32]

armand:

i dont have timestamps!

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caitlin:

gutted

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Juski:

jees I wish people would fight over helping me out when I need it :-P

[20:01:08]

** caitlin does the lspci dance **

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caitlin:

you're too clever to help

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** Juski laughs **

[20:01:26]

caitlin:

i could probably hold your screwdrivers for you

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armand:

i think thats a compliment

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armand:

not sure tho :)

[20:01:36]

caitlin:

or something that sounds less devient

[20:01:43]

Juski:

I think what you meant, caitlin was.. "you're beyond help"

[20:01:46]

caitlin:

oi! i are always polite

[20:01:51]

caitlin:

did not

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caitlin:

i was brown nosing furiously

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Juski:

just kidding. I don't have all the answers. If I did I wouldn't hang around here

[20:02:29]

armand:

my mythtv setup has been working flawlessly for weeks now

[20:02:38]

armand:

KNCOKS ON A GIANT DESKOFWOOD!@!%^@&!!!!!111oneone

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Juski:

my 2 year mythtv anniversary next month :)

[20:02:47]

caitlin:

anyone got enough ops to kick him?

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clars:

My card is some type of Pinnacle

[20:03:16]

armand:

i'll be 2 years in march

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caitlin:

does lspci say anything about it?

[20:03:18]

Juski:

clars – that'd make it a v4l capture card then

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armand:

started with 0.16 heh

[20:03:31]

Juski:

that's the default type in mythtv-setup IIRC

[20:03:36]

caitlin:

i started with 0.18

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clars:

oki Thanks

[20:03:47]

Juski:

oh no hang on.. pinnacle also make DVB tuners

[20:03:54]

Juski:

clars.. what model is it?

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caitlin:

have any of you lot ever worked tech support?

[20:04:25]

janneg:

Juski: Did you see my comment about the image sizes?

[20:04:26]

Juski:

caitlin: seen as I've never committed a murder, no

[20:04:30]

clars:

Just now I dont know what model it is

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Juski:

janneg: nope

[20:04:48]

Juski:

clars: how do you not know what model your card is...

[20:04:51]

armand:

caitlin: i worked dialup tech support for my first job

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** Juski scrolls up **

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armand:

worst job ever

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janneg:

Juski: several images in the no wide theme are larger than in wide theme

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armand:

(before cable modems/dsl obviously) hehe

[20:05:24]

clars:

Can I make an /sbin/lspci to find out?

[20:05:33]

Juski:

janneg: so it's just the image sizes ? no idea how that happenned

[20:05:45]

Juski:

clars: lspci sometimes lies, but it's a good place to start

[20:06:25]

Juski:

janneg: but I thought the scaling would've taken care of that anyway.. never mind I'm going to check the sizes

[20:06:26]

janneg:

yes, the menu icons|images are larger

[20:07:10]

janneg:

Juski: not the theme images, but the images in memory after loading mythfrontend

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Juski:

janneg: the local copy I have here, which I think is where the tarballs come from has jpg files in the watermark dir

[20:08:22]

DoofsMC:

fryfrog, you there?

[20:08:23]

Juski:

they shouldn't be there

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DoofsMC:

i have dishnetwork working in myth

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DoofsMC:

but i am getting audio pops now and then

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Juski:

DoofsMC: sounds a bit naughty, that

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DoofsMC:

i think it does it in windows too

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Juski:

dishnetwork, via a pvr tuner card?

[20:09:49]

Juski:

i.e. from a satellite receiver?

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Juski:

because if you're using a DVB-S tuner, I don't think you're supposed to be doing that, and you won't get help for it here

[20:11:03]

Juski:

could be wrong of course.. often am

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janneg:

Juski: it's nothing in the theme, except that the nifty menu images in the none-wide are larger on the screen

[20:11:40]

Juski:

janneg: define nifty menu images.. the ones on the right hand side?

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Juski:

they're the same size as the wide theme if I remember right.. 350x350 pixels

[20:13:10]

Juski:

so they'll _look_ bigger because 800/350 is greater than 1280/350 :)

[20:13:41]

janneg:

Juski: yes, and they are definitive larger

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Juski:

that shouldn't be why they're hogging memory though.. the bitmaps are the same damn size as in the wide theme

[20:14:26]

Juski:

infact they're the same files

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janneg:

yes, of course. and if you both scale to 1600 the none wide are larger

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janneg:

Juski: they differ in memory after scaling and decoding to raw images

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Juski:

right – so in that case it's nothing to worry about

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janneg:

yes

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Juski:

phew

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Juski:

I'm going to do a cleanup operation on both themes & leave them as they are when I put 2.0 out

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Juski:

then the next ones I do, if I ever go there, I'll use subversion or something to help keep track of changes

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Juski:

janneg: have you tried the beta of the 2.0 themes yet? they're at http://www.juski.co.uk/pg/tarballs

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hwt:

hi

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hwt:

is it possible to use the MS media center remote and/or keyboard with myth now?

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Juski:

hwt: if they're supported by LIRC and linux, yes. If not, no

[20:20:04]

janneg:

I have the 2.0 betas from ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/

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Juski:

janneg: same thing. cool

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hwt:

Juski: it appears as if the remote is, but i can't find any details on the keyb.

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Juski:

hwt: so the answer to your question might be 'no' then

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Juski:

I've seen people here say some of the MS MCE keyboard stuff works but not enough to make it useful

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Juski:

IIRC

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hwt:

Juski: k, thanks.

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Juski:

janneg: at least with the rogue files deleted the tarballs will be a bit smaller:)

[20:24:43]

janneg:

Juski: yeah, but nothing more. as far as I can tell, the jpegs aren't loaded

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Juski:

they were a test to see how much I could get the filesize down

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Juski:

oo I might even give the xml files a tweak so users can change font sizes from the UI

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** caitlin cant find wher eyou set the bloody osd skin **

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caitlin:

i can change it in the database :P

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seth|laptop:

osd skin is in settings, tv, tv playback

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** seth|laptop recommends retro **

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Juski:

caitlin: blasphemer! they're themes, not skins

[20:30:54]

Juski:

skins are what spotty 14 year old kids make for winamp ;-)

[20:30:57]

McDoof:

Juski, do you have any ideas

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McDoof:

?

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caitlin:

heh, well i just managed to break one of yours

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caitlin:

whatever it's called

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Juski:

McDoof: any ideas about what? you didn't ask anything

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McDoof:

i have dishnetwork working in myth

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McDoof:

but i am getting audio pops now and then

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McDoof:

i think it does it in windows too

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Juski:

McDoof: AFAIK you can't (or shouldn't) be able to use dishnetwork without using a pvr card plugged into a satellite receiver

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seth|laptop:

try to decrease the volume for the device in recording profiles

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Juski:

yeah digital audio distortion sounds like popping

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Juski:

caitlin: break my theme? how?

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caitlin:

when i say "break" i mean "get lost in"

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caitlin:

i call it the "caitlin > world" interface being broken

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Juski:

ah

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caitlin:

for a while i thought it was just the caitlin – debian interface that was poorly written

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caitlin:

but nope... it's the world interface

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Juski:

hrm.. I'm starting to think that only the programme guide can have user-defined font sizes = apart from the OSD I mean

[20:35:20]

Juski:

program guide & recording scheduling stuff, everything in ui.xml anyway

[20:35:30]

McDoof:

Juski, my pvr card is plugged through rca jacks into satellite

[20:35:54]

Juski:

McDoof: ahh okay. as seth|laptop said try cranking the volume down a bit in the recording profiles then

[20:36:34]

hwt:

i'm looking forward to when mythtv can leverage eyecandy from xgl/aiglx. :D

[20:36:37]

Juski:

it's probably distorting a little.. which sounds like a popping noise

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Juski:

hwt: when that day comes I'll care as much about XGL as I do now

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Juski:

if I want wobbly windows I'll replace the double-glazing myself

[20:37:46]

Juski:

desktops on a cube... perlease!

[20:38:07]

Juski:

have to admit it does look pretty. can't think of a good use for it though...

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orogor:

hi here

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orogor:

any french person ?

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Juski:

and when all is said & done – fair play to anyone who tried to make linux look nicer :)

[20:38:57]

orogor:

somone with a freebox preferably

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seth|laptop:

it already does http://www.get-e.org

[20:39:09]

seth|laptop:

gotta have my e17

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Juski:

looks terrible..

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caitlin:

hablo espanol, pero no puedo halbar fancais :(

[20:41:01]

Juski:

seth|laptop: seen the infamous 'rage2.avi' video yet? media player frontend thing based on that, and other stuff. looks very spiffy and usable unlike Elisa

[20:41:18]

seth|laptop:

no I haven't

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Juski:

seth|laptop: google fer it... it's nice

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McDoof:

anyone using usb-uirt?

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** seth|laptop googles **

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orogor:

looks liek it s on raster server and it s having issues atm

[20:46:09]

caitlin:

um, oddly i seem to have a transcode running

[20:47:26]

clars:

Is there another way to find out the card model than /sbin/lspci – I dont get anything on that command

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seth|laptop:

you could run #ivtv-detect

[20:47:51]

Juski:

clars: what does dmesg say about it?

[20:48:10]

Juski:

maybe dmesg |grep v4l

[20:49:09]

orogor:

hoo anyone has a recommendation for tuner card ?

[20:49:22]

seth|laptop:

sd or hd

[20:49:42]

orogor:

..... one with lotta inpits

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orogor:

inputs

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Juski:

pvr500

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Juski:

that's about the most inputs you're gonna get in a tv tuner card

[20:50:29]

seth|laptop:

well the pvr500 form hauppauge has 2 tuners and or 2 a/v inputs with svidieo/composite, and red/white audio

[20:50:32]

clars:

dmesg |grep v4l outputs: saa7130/34: v412 driver version 0.2.14 loaded

[20:50:43]

benp:

seth|laptop: thanks, that link you pointed to helped! remote is working now

[20:50:44]

benp:

thanks

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seth|laptop:

np

[20:50:52]

orogor:

like if there s one with support for hertziantv +terrestrial+satelite

[20:50:55]

Juski:

there are cctv capture card with 4 or more inputs but you can't record all inputs at full frame-size/rate

[20:50:58]

benp:

...gotta fix all the other problems now :)

[20:50:59]

seth|laptop:

been down that road before, nice to have the internet

[20:51:06]

benp:

yeah

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Juski:

clars: it's a standard v4l tuner card I think

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Honk^away:

<kormoc> so why ask if you know? <-- errh.. cuz i've got no clue how to tell mythtv to show svideo in ;)

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orogor:

right now i have a bttv based one taht i dont want to dich cause i can decode one pay channel with it

[20:51:52]

Juski:

it's a pretty basic thing to know a tuner's make & model number though. nobody in their right mind should ever buy A tuner card without knowing what they're getting

[20:52:00]

clars:

Okay so I stik to the v4l option

[20:52:06]

orogor:

and i d like to get tnt, satelite and other stuff too

[20:52:21]

Juski:

clars: forget about mythtv for now. test the tuner card works in linux first with tvtime

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orogor:

tvtime is gooooodd

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benp:

are there any known issues with the video plugin ? it seems to be chewing up 100mb of virtual memory and doing nothing

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Juski:

benp: it caches some stuff

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Juski:

posters & db data I think

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benp:

ah

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Juski:

stop being such a memory miser :)

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clars:

Juski, Yes I been using TvTime ith that card for a long time on FC5

[20:53:39]

benp:

so i should just let it run for as long as it needs ?

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Juski:

clars: so in that case you can carry on with mythtv

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benp:

has been sitting there for about 5 mins :/

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Juski:

benp: so you're saying it's hung? never seen that problem

[20:54:20]

benp:

yeah, seems to have

[20:54:33]

Juski:

5 mins is too long. stop it & try again

[20:55:26]

Juski:

where did it stop?

[20:55:44]

benp:

when i went into the video playing section

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caitlin:

so it was just my recording profiles table :/

[20:56:11]

Juski:

benp: run mythfrontend in a terminal & watch for errors

[20:56:11]

benp:

just waiting for it to load up again (had to kill the process) then i will tell you the steps i took

[20:57:03]

** seth|laptop hopes his new mobo and chip are waiting for him at home. **

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Juski:

benp: btw which version? 0.20? 0.20-fixes or SVN ?

[20:57:29]

caitlin:

takes sodding hours dunnit

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clars:

Inside "input connections" I get: [V4L: /dev/video0](Could not open `/dev/vidio0` to probe its output.)

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benp:

tbh i am not sure, just installed it with apt-get install mythfrontend (xebian)

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seth|laptop:

that would be .19zixes

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seth|laptop:

er fixes

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seth|laptop:

if you have not changed your sources.list

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Juski:

might not be

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Juski:

well that's my cctv fixed again.. I need to box up my little cat5 video senders to stop them getting broken when I stand on em

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xris:

anyone here familiar with mediawiki and the gallery tag? I uploaded some mythtv screenshots last night but am not getting thumbnails

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Juski:

xris: I've edited the themes section a couple of times – closest I've been to it

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Juski:

thumbs came up those times if I remember right

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xris:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Screenshots

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xris:

it's just weird

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Juski:

xris: first thing I noticed – your shots are pngs, others are jpg

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xris:

Juski: not all of the others

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xris:

and I tried jpg, too

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Juski:

image sizing, maybe?

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Juski:

nah not that

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Juski:

you're right.. it's weird!

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xris:

yup

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xris:

I'll but Snow-Man to see if he missed permissions on a temp dir or something

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benp:

yeah. it just seems to hang and slowly guzzle up more and more virt. memory

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benp:

http://rdy.homelinux.net/index.php?m=4&s= . . . e=1160082467

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benp:

that is the output from the console

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Juski:

benp: Error in open(/dev/i2c/0): Permission denied ... xbox LED flasher's not working for one thing

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Juski:

protocol version 31 == 0.20-fixes btw

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kormoc:

benp, and pmap -d pid of process says it's mapping what to where?

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benp:

i will check

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armand:

top

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armand:

oops heh

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** Juski has just realised, after looking at livetv screenshots with the OSD.. nobody has planned for fitting UK channel names in there.. lol **

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timeless_:

i want to burn recordings to dvd, do i have to use mytharchive? or is there another way?

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kormoc:

timeless_, there's infinite ways.

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Juski:

timeless_: basically yes, or you can do it the old command-line way (eew)

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caitlin:

or just burn the filess

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caitlin:

playbaack could be a bugger

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caitlin:

my keyboard is drunk

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Juski:

dvdauthor -option1 -option2 -option3 ... -option65536

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timeless_:

my issue is i havn't updated mythtv or fedora in months, so i don't think my setup would support mytharchive and i am afaid to break it :)

[21:12:53]

caitlin:

get a new os disk

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Juski:

only 0.20 and > supports mytharchive

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orogor:

Any one has oen of theses cards to recommend ? http://www.ldlc.com/navigation/cat.html?sscat . . . +-+Numerique

[21:13:11]

caitlin:

upgrading is slinky... just back everything up

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caitlin:

i backed out a few times with no problems

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Tronic_:

Juski: The font size can be customized.

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benp:

kormoc: http://rdy.homelinux.net/index.php?m=4&s= . . . e=1160082774

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Juski:

do what I'm doing.. I don't wanna break my setup either.. get a new HDD & install freshly, then bring stuff over from the other disk when it works

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orogor:

also i need differnt tuners for dvb-T and dvb-S , no card will do both ?

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timeless_:

ok, thanks for the tip

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Juski:

Tronic_: can it? bah. more work for me

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timeless_:

what is the best guide to follow for updating myth in fedora? jarrod's still around?

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kormoc:

benp, here's the deal, you need to grab that data a few times while memory is leaking out, and then compare them and see where it's going before it gets killed

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Juski:

orogor: I think I saw one that does it – no idea what it was called or who makes it, but I'm sure there's one. don't hold your breath for linux support on it though

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benp:

ok

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xris:

timeless_: generally, yes

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Juski:

I've seen mythfrontend segfault when theme elements are missing.. maybe that's it

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orogor:

:S

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orogor:

haa i see one

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Juski:

orogor: made by terratec?

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orogor:

Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-3000

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immolo:

heya, is there anyway to make video from live TV send smaller to frontends as mine is on a 100mb network and the video is really lagged

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Juski:

orogor: you know that's just a hybrid card – which means you can only use one tuner at once don't you?

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orogor:

analog+dvbs +dvbt

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orogor:

NOoooooooooooo

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orogor:

else it s only mulltiple card ?

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Juski:

orogor: and AFAIK there's no linux driver support for that yet, but it'd pay you to check the linuxtv & v4l mailing lists

[21:20:34]

Juski:

no it's a HYBRID card..

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Juski:

it's a dvb-t, or dvb-s or analogue tuner at one time, not all three

[21:22:53]

Juski:

but linuxtv have drivers in Hg for it.. then maybe only the digital parts

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Juski:

be easier to get one tuner of each type to be honest

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timeless_:

i am going to try to upgrade mythtv, i have backed up the db, is there anything else i should back up first?

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Juski:

timeless_: db should be enough to back up

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Juski:

nothing _should_ happen to your recordings

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timeless_:

sweet

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benp:

kormoc: ran through them, but there appears to be no difference

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orogor:

Juski, then i need as much slots in my putter

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orogor:

which i dotn have

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Juski:

there are always USB tuners.. but I don't trust anything fast over USB

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orogor:

i saw there were pci bus extentions but htey cost an arm and a leg

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orogor:

yup

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Juski:

so ditch the SLI motherboard & get a proper one :)

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orogor:

not even a sli one

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orogor:

it s a k8n neo 4 delux

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Juski:

no? I think it's disgusting how few pci slots most boards have these days

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orogor:

yesm plus they give u 1x pcix but there s no pcix card

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Juski:

the other week I bought one for my in-laws' PC that I was building.. cheapest in the shop & it has 5 PCI slots!

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orogor:

more than me

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Juski:

I hope pci-e dies off tbh

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orogor:

nono

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Juski:

look at it this way – too many card manufacturers (liek tuners) haven't been made available for pci-e yet

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orogor:

just they need to release mob with 5 16x pci express slotrs

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Juski:

and pci-e isn't that new anymore

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orogor:

like they should have ditched com port lonnng ago

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Juski:

and floppy!

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orogor:

yes

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Juski:

be really good to see a board with built-in tv tuners

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Juski:

that'd be sweet. something small-ish

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orogor:

somone gave me a last generation dvd player.... i just didnt plugged it , too much hassle with the ata cables

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Juski:

bolted on mpeg2 & h.264 decoder...

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orogor:

and i just removed the last ata hd from my putter

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orogor:

:)

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caitlin:

i guess it'll come... media is moving more and more toward the peecee

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Juski:

I'm still on PATA myself. don't trust sata much having never used it

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orogor:

works very welll

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orogor:

no issie so far with it

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Anduin:

Juski: Good call, no way better data can get through those tiny cables

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orogor:

only little issue is drives numbering

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Juski:

caitlin: did you see the news that tessa jowell's lot are thinking about ditching the TV licence in favour of a PC licence?!

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caitlin:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA

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orogor:

i think i ll have to specify uuid insie my fstab to avoid mount issues in case drives get renumbered

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caitlin:

no really?1

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caitlin:

based on WTF?

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Juski:

caitlin: I laughed too, til I saw the article

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Juski:

based on people downloading TV shows & having media centre PCs

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caitlin:

they wanna charge your car insurance by the MILE too

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Juski:

we need to move to NZ

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caitlin:

yuo're inviting me to live with you?

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Juski:

lol

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caitlin:

:P

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Juski:

not sure what my wife would say about that

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caitlin:

she's probably bisexual... most women are

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Juski:

no – infact I'm pretty sure what she'd say about that

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caitlin:

ask her, it'd be funny

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** Juski is scared now.. mrs Juski is visiting female friends this weekend! **

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caitlin:

"i met this woman on the net...... "

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caitlin:

most women arn't *that* bisexual

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timeless_:

i can't seem to get yum to install the upgrade, i get this error: http://pastebin.ca/192362

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caitlin:

i wish they were though... sigh

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Juski:

heh. I know which side my bread is butterred on, and I like it that way :)

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caitlin:

it's different for women i think... less anal

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caitlin:

heh

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Juski:

eew

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orogor:

haa also anyone knows if there are wireless stuff that can go up to 500 meters ?

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Juski:

even my own maxim of 'don't knock it til you've tried it' wouldn't apply to that

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orogor:

somethign in the 200€ range ?

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caitlin:

timeless_, your repo isn't there

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caitlin:

it's 404d

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Paladine:

note to self: mythtv and cedega don't mix amicably

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caitlin:

either way, i'm probably moving to mexico, so i can't come to nz with you anyway, but thank you to you *and* your wife for your lovely offer :P

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** Juski laughs **

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timeless_:

how can i fix that?

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Paladine:

orogor, 802.11b can go upto 2km

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caitlin:

timeless... i dunno fedora :/

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caitlin:

google for the repo?

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Juski:

orogor: I wouldn't trust any wireless up to 50 metres, let alone 500

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Juski:

but I've heard those Pringles tins can come in handy for tricks like that

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Paladine:

Juski, it is not the protocol it is your equipment

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Paladine:

I have an antenna and can pick up my wireless network from my college

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Juski:

I don't have any wireless kit. God I'm such a luddite :-P

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caitlin:

i've got wireless shit, but it's *off*

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caitlin:

MY internets... back off

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timeless_:

is this the repo? http://atrpms.net/dist/fc4/

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Juski:

oh wait yes I _do_ have wireless stuff.. on my s100 boxen.. just never bothered to play with it

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Paladine:

and yes you can make a high gain antenna out of a pringles tin

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Paladine:

costs about 5 bucks for all the parts

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Paladine:

and has a range over 1000 meters

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Paladine:

so long as you have line of site

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Juski:

bad for you though, all that salt & fat

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caitlin:

and the monosodium glutamate too!

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orogor:

ok

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Juski:

hmm I need to do some ironing or I'll look like a tramp when I set off for London tomorrow

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orogor:

thanks for all infos

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Paladine:

London?

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orogor:

i have to see if i can cook somethign based on theses

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timeless_:

i think i might have to upgrade to fedora 5 for mytharchive :(

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Paladine:

wtf would you want to go to London?

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pben:

is it possible that other plugins might be conflicting with the video plugin?

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Paladine:

it is a shite hole

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Juski:

Paladine: the whole UK is

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Paladine:

well that too

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Juski:

visiting a friend I've not seen for a long time

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Paladine:

but London is a really deep pile

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Juski:

hey maybe I like seeing tramps pee in doorways during daylight hours

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Paladine:

you remortgaged ready for the trip?

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Juski:

and laugh at people who refuse to look at other people on public transport

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Paladine:

cos it will cost you your house for a coffee and scone

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Juski:

drinking in London is actually a cheaper night out than in Manchester, I found

[21:41:20]

Juski:

and Manchester is cheaper to drink at than my native Newcastle

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Paladine:

well yeah, you go out in Manchester and it costs you your wallet, your cell phone, your trainers and your car

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Paladine:

and newcastle, well then we are getting into verified war zones

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Juski:

and maybe your life if you don't just give in when somebody pushes infront of you in the taxi queue

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Juski:

that's so true it's just not funny though

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Paladine:

everything about the UK is funny

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caitlin:

ahh manchester

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Paladine:

if you don't laigh about it, you would just end up slicing your wrists

[21:43:11]

caitlin:

the reason i run to my car in the morning

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Paladine:

s/laigh/laugh

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Juski:

at least we only have a carbon copy of G.W. Bush...

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Honk^away:

okaaay.. how do i make mythtv play the stream from my svideo in? =)

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** Juski chucks the FM Honk^away's way **

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Anduin:

pben: You will need to be more specific

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Honk^away:

it's actually described in there?

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Honk^away:

mhh =)

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pben:

well, anything to do with the video plugin seems to make mythtv 'hang'

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Honk^away:

Juski: can you be a bit more specific? =)

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Anduin:

pben: version? hang as in no CPU use or high CPU use or hang as in crash?

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Juski:

Honk^away: bind a video source to the svideo input in mythtv-setup, restart mythbackend and then in mythfrontend's livetv bit press C

[21:46:54]

Honk^away:

well.. what kind of video source am i supposed to bind?

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pben:

high CPU usage, 40mb of virtual memory being used

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Juski:

Honk^away: like you did for the tuner input

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Honk^away:

there's none that can tell what my other pc plays :P

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pben:

am going to give it a few minutes, have lots of other stuff running on my xbox, might just be slow

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Anduin:

pben: 40 is well withing normal, unless it keeps growing

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FunkyELF:

hey guys, my /var partition is full and it is 10gig...this is because of MySQL mainly (8 gig)....does the database ever clean itself or delete anything?

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Juski:

Honk^away: so forget it then

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Juski:

or make a dummy video source with its own programme listing

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Anduin:

FunkyELF: You probably have logging or something, the stuff that remains in the DB is somewhat small over time

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Juski:

mythtv == PVR for TV, not a VCR

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FunkyELF:

Anduin, I didn't turn anything on explicitly...just followed some Gentoo MythTV wiki....how can I check?

[21:50:03]

Anduin:

FunkyELF: find which file(s) are taking the most space, see if they correspond to actual DB files

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Honk^away:

what's C supposed to do? =)

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Anduin:

switch inputs

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FunkyELF:

-rw-rw---- 1 mysql mysql 1072681670 Oct 5 17:36 myth-bin.000070

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Honk^away:

doesnt even switch between my 2 pvrs though

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FunkyELF:

Anduin I have a bunch all the way from 000001 to 000071

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Anduin:

FunkyELF: MySQL binary logging

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Honk^away:

arrh.. it actually works =)

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Juski:

Y switches between tuners, C switches between tuner inputs.. like it says in the FM

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Honk^away:

yeah, i just found that out ;)

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Juski:

Honk^away: next thing will be you get pissed cos it'll only record for limited amounts of time

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Juski:

then you'll get around that by manually scheduling a recording, once you'd made a new 'channel' for that card input

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Honk^away:

i dont really want to record what's on there =)

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Juski:

you can edit the recording later to trim the gaps

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Honk^away:

i'm fine with livetv :p

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Juski:

not fine with reading the manual though.. :-|

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Honk^away:

where does the manual say you have to add a video source for svideo in? :P

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Paladine:

in the part under the heading "Common Sense"

[21:55:36]

Honk^away:

i sjipped that :/

[21:55:43]

Paladine:

;)

[21:56:28]

Paladine:

playing need for speed most wanted in linux is kind of a buzz

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feld:

there's no common sense section in my manual

[21:56:37]

feld:

can i borrow yours?

[21:56:53]

Paladine:

you can buy common sense at woolworths for a buck and a half

[21:57:09]

** feld runs out the door to wolworth's **

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feld:

*woolworth's

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Paladine:

and you can buy plain simple "common" at walmart for 99c

[21:57:56]

degreseven:

i just installed a new pvr150 i got, and it works with 'mplayer /dev/video0', but when i try to watch tv in myth, i just get a black screen, no sound or anything

[21:58:32]

Paladine:

have you run mythtv-setup and added the capture card and video source?

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degreseven:

yep

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degreseven:

i even deleted all cards & remade it

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Paladine:

did you scan?

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Paladine:

and did you run mythfilldatabase

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degreseven:

i didn't scan- last time i did that things broke

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degreseven:

do i need to?

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Paladine:

how is it going to find the channels if it has no channel data?

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degreseven:

good point =)

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Paladine:

is it supposed to guess what frequencies the streams are on?

[22:00:28]

Paladine:

:p

[22:00:52]

pben:

Anduin: you said 40mb virtual memory was about normal, should i be worrying that it's now at 84mb ? :)

[22:01:27]

Paladine:

I need coffee and more pizza

[22:01:39]

pben:

...i should hasten to add that it is on 99% of updating the video database and seems to have stopped (done nothing for about 2 mins)

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Anduin:

pben: You have many videos? You sure your path is identical?

[22:07:04]

pben:

a fair few video's (about 90 eps and 10 movies)

[22:07:10]

pben:

and the path is spot on

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Anduin:

pben: Yeah, that chunk is just checking that it finds all the videos in the DB on the disk, should be somewhat fast assuming access to the videos is working.

[22:08:37]

pben:

...it's using 106mb virtual memory now

[22:09:15]

Anduin:

pben: If you enable file browsing for your default view, and disable metadata, then the default view should load almost as fast as you can ls -R in your video directory.

[22:09:19]

brian423:

Hey Anduin did you discover anything about the MythVideo and ATI problems?

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pben:

access to the video's is ok, can stream them on the xbox using xine

[22:09:45]

pben:

okie

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Anduin:

pben: Try the browse with no DB test.

[22:09:56]

Anduin:

brian423: Yes

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pben:

k, will give it a go

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Anduin:

brian423: People using gcc 4 and SVN head may have an out after this weekend.

[22:12:16]

brian423:

and will there possible be an updated release? (I'm running suse binaries on the effected machine, if need-be I'll just put gentoo on there :P)

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pben:

Anduin: no such luck, still seemed to hang :/

[22:15:11]

Anduin:

brian423: I'm almost tempted to make a more general workaround, it should be possible, just not as pretty.

[22:15:30]

brian423:

is it ATI causing the issue?

[22:15:34]

Anduin:

pben: and if you cd to the video dir on that machine and ls -R it works great?

[22:15:39]

brian423:

or something in the mythvideo plugin?

[22:16:02]

pben:

yeah, no problems there

[22:16:38]

gr8nash:

anyone had good luck with mytharchive.. knoppmyth and ubuntu both just bomb when trying TV or avi's

[22:16:40]

Anduin:

brian423: a combo, caused by gcc, fglrx_dri.so and libmythvideo.so both use std::vector<int>, unversioned symbols for some vector functions are being resolved by the wrong binary.

[22:16:50]

gr8nash:

it would help to know that it works for somebody

[22:17:07]

gr8nash:

mythreplex seems to be the weak link

[22:17:08]

pben:

...does take a while though

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aboutblank:

hello

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Anduin:

pben: this is 0.20?

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pben:

nyeah

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pben:

i don't need to ensure there's a / on the end of the dir i have set or anything silly like that ?

[22:18:36]

Anduin:

pben: well it is going to take at least as long as the ls -R, I cannot explain it and there probably isn't enough logging in that area to make a -v all useful.

[22:18:48]

Anduin:

pben: No, nothing silly like that

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aboutblank:

i really really hate to ask this question, but I'm afraid to spend the money for a box w/o answers. Can I specify which capture card to use for a particular recording in a dual encoder setup (i want to do PVR-150 and an HD card)

[22:19:48]

gr8nash:

aboutblank, you can specify encoder priority

[22:20:12]

aboutblank:

not priority. like i'd want to do HD for only a few shows

[22:20:31]

gr8nash:

ohh.. hmm not that i know of..

[22:20:41]

nordle:

hi, 0.20, pressed FastForward during DVD, it went at 20x, then myth crashed. Do I need to increase some sort of buffer setting, could it be a bug or..?

[22:20:41]

gr8nash:

but there might be a way..

[22:20:57]

nordle:

sorry, not crashed, froze

[22:21:07]

gr8nash:

nordle, .20 interneal should be treated with care.. its young and fragile

[22:21:27]

gr8nash:

like a harley.. it will run if you love on it..

[22:21:36]

brian423:

......on it lol

[22:22:03]

aboutblank:

gr8nash is full of interesting "nuggets" that don't actually help.. lol :P

[22:22:03]

Paladine:

loving your harley is illegal in 43 states

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fryfrog:

aboutblank: i think, sort of :/

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nordle:

gr8nash: its all looking really nice, just a teeny bit rough around the edges :) ok its new, should I use xine then or.. I mean, if people dont use the internal one will it improve without them, or does it help having someone coming in here moaning everday :)

[22:22:44]

fryfrog:

aboutblank: The way I do it is I have a different line up bound to the HD card, and the channels for HD are like 36_1

[22:22:54]

gr8nash:

well if you can help them improve it the by all means use it.

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fryfrog:

so, when I want to record Lost, I tell it to only record on 36_1

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fryfrog:

which is my HD channels

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fryfrog:

er, well that one is an hd channel

[22:23:07]

gr8nash:

but from the sound of the question.. i doubt your a programmer

[22:23:31]

nordle:

gr8nash: Im not a coder, the only thing I can do is moan... politely hopefully.

[22:23:35]

gr8nash:

fryfrog, there you goo.. good thinking

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aboutblank:

fryfrog: Oh nice! that's a solution then!

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gr8nash:

nordle, couldnt you use jump instead of fast fwd

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fryfrog:

I'd still suggest setting up a cheap test box first

[22:24:03]

aboutblank:

fryfrog: So then could i set the priorty so that the HD could also capture regular TV?

[22:24:07]

gr8nash:

i always use jump

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fryfrog:

aboutblank: perhaps buy an HD and pvr150 card, but put it in a temp machine

[22:24:31]

fryfrog:

aboutblank: depends on the card, i don't think my HD card can even tune SD channels

[22:24:47]

nordle:

gr8nash: sometimes I just want to re-wind 20 seconds to zoom in. You know in a film where they show a very important doc or letter, I've got a small TV, so have to zoom those parts.

[22:24:52]

aboutblank:

fryfrog: Yeah, that's what I'm thinking of doing. Not sure what HD capture card to get though. We talked a while ago about my problem with receiving HD on comcast... encryption :(

[22:24:55]

fryfrog:

aboutblank: if it can tune both, you should be able to give one recording shecule higher priority

[22:25:17]

fryfrog:

ie, if you record Lost in HD and Simpsons in SD, just give simpsons a lower priority

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pben:

Anduin: i have just thought, i have some bad clusters on my hdd, ran msdos.fsck on the disk and it changed the bad clusters to folders (i.e. fsck.00000), the location i have set to hold my media is in the root folder of that disk, so perhaps it's falling over when it finds those folders ?

[22:25:24]

fryfrog:

that way, Lost in HD will trump it

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Paladine:

nordle means when he is looking for nipple shots

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fryfrog:

aboutblank: I'm a few days away from trying HD STBs from comcast :)

[22:25:54]

aboutblank:

whoa.. nice... let me know how it goes!

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feld:

aboutblank: you can pm me all night long

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feld:

whooooooo!

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fryfrog:

sure

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feld:

:P

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nordle:

Paladine: dont think ive done that since i was 12 and Basic Instinct was out......honest ;)

[22:26:30]

aboutblank:

i love PMing all night long

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Anduin:

pben: It should fail faster, if you change the video path, use the browse files without metadata, and _do not run the video manager_ it should be fast, if not, something else is going on.

[22:26:45]

Paladine:

you lying bastid :p

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feld:

hey pben you're seriously using FAT?

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Paladine:

pben fat or fat32?

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pben:

fat32

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Paladine:

you know it has a maximum file size of 4GB right?

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pben:

i have no files larger than 4gb.. :)

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feld:

why FAT though

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Paladine:

you will do when you are recording a show from myth

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Paladine:

if you have any sort of quality from your capture card

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pben:

i don't have a capture card

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Paladine:

what you using for myth then?

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pben:

merely using myth to view video's and a couple of the other plugins

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Paladine:

ahhh

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pben:

but it seemed pretty nice, so thought i would give it a whirl

[22:29:03]

nordle:

does mythfrontend write out a pid anywhere? I would like to be able to control the loading and unloading of mythfrontend from one button, and the easiest way is to test for pid file.

[22:29:05]

pben:

...just can't get it working :o

[22:29:47]

pben:

i have a fat formatted filesystem because originally that's all my NAS device would support

[22:30:38]

pben:

it's also shared with a windows box but i am not yet confident about the NTFS write support in current kernels

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brian423:

you know there are stable drivers for windows to read/write ext3

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pben:

really?

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fryfrog:

zounds!

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brian423:

yup

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nordle:

pben: no idea if it helps, but there is a very good ext2/ext3 reader/writer driver for windows. My win and lin boxen access the same drives, remote drives via smb.

[22:31:50]

pben:

oo, wasn't aware of that, might look into it

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nordle:

man im slow typer

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pben:

lol

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brian423:

yeah, but I'm talking an actual windows driver, not through smb

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frank_:

nordle: there is but I never used it. from memory its "fsdriver"

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frank_:

nordle: http://fs-driver.org/

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brian423:

http://fs-driver.org/

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brian423:

lol

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frank_:

hehe

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brian423:

I woulda had that link sooner but my internet isn't working well :P

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nordle:

brian423: I know, i said "win and lin boxes access the same drives (ie via ext3 driver) and remote via smb ie seperate machines" sorry, my bad explanation, I run both.

[22:33:55]

brian423:

;) me too

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brian423:

except right now windows on my main box hasn't worked....since.....june and I just haven't fixed it :p

[22:34:29]

brian423:

because I don't care

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frank_:

I FINALLY got my PVR-150 and MSI TV@nywhere Master cards working at the same time.

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frank_:

I had a problem where the ivtv and cx8800 modules were not happy with each others expected tveeprom module

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jmodi:

frank_: does the MSI card have hardware encoding?

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frank_:

jmodi: nope

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jmodi:

thanks just wondering...had never heard of it before

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frank_:

jmodi: and on top of that, it depends on the sound card to capture sound. It outputs sound to my sound card's input

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jmodi:

frank_: that is an interesting card

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frank_:

jmodi: "interesting"... more like "crappy" but I bought it used and got it cheap

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frank_:

Is there any way to get modules to load in the right order so that /dev/video0 gets assigned to the PVR-150?

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jmodi:

frank_: yea I am looking for another card that is cheap

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fryfrog:

frank_: yeah, depending on distro?

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fryfrog:

frank_: most have a "modules.conf" or "modules.audoload" or something

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fryfrog:

course, if the kernel is set to "autoload" then your screwed :)

[22:43:25]

frank_:

fryfrog: ubuntu. I'll look

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jmodi:

frank_: i believe the file you would be looking for is /etc/modules.conf

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jmodi:

frank_: i just checked it is /etc/modules

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frank_:

there is a list of modules in /etc/modules but does it respect the order they're in?

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fryfrog:

maybe, maybe not :(

[22:46:09]

fryfrog:

you have to reboot to find out

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jmodi:

i do not know anything about that...however...you could just reboot and check

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frank_:

yeah, I'll try later

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FunkyELF:

i can't update my lists...isn't there a gentoo myth channel?

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aboutblank:

so is anyone actually running firewire to STB

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aboutblank:

for hi def?

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FunkyELF:

anyone here run gentoo?

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frank_:

aboutblank: is that possible? capturing HD digitally?

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FunkyELF:

aboutblank, I have tried...no luck

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fryfrog:

I think I heard someone talking about it actually, they were getting 6G recordings

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fryfrog:

FunkyELF: i'm a gentoo bitch

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aboutblank:

then let me pose a better question: ANYONE able to get non-local HD channels? if so, how?

[22:50:02]

FunkyELF:

fryfrog, did you update to .20 ?

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fryfrog:

aboutblank: asside from via STB, you won't get them

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aboutblank:

didn't think so :(

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fryfrog:

FunkyELF: i started with a from scratch 0.20

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aboutblank:

kk a PVR-150 and HD5500 it is!

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FunkyELF:

darn, I wanna know how the upgrade works

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FunkyELF:

I upgraded from .18 to .19

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frank_:

Do HDMI to DVI adapters exist which decrypt the signal which could then be captured and reencoded?

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fryfrog:

it *should* go pretty well, mythtv-setup hasn't changed

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fryfrog:

frank_: no

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fryfrog:

but most "hdmi" isn't encrypted now, afaik

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frank_:

fryfrog: I worked tech support for Videotron and the HD recievers output only encrypted HDMI

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fryfrog:

oh?

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fryfrog:

i did not know that

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fryfrog:

but it isn't HDCP, right?

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fryfrog:

that is new?

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frank_:

fryfrog: yeah it is HDCP

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fryfrog:

humm, i thought HDCP wasn't even supported by most televisions yet?

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frank_:

fryfrog: that<s what I meant by "encrypted" I forgot about the accronym

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fryfrog:

ah

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frank_:

fryfrog: new televisions support it but there are compatibility problems between TVs and STB that are supposed to be compatible

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

my cable box currently has a DVI output on it

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fryfrog:

that *isn't* encrypted i'm sure

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frank_:

some clients' TVs would no longer be able to receive HDMI signal because of a firmware update that changed HDCP from 1.2 to 1.3. talk about pissed. Their working setup suddenly stopped working

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FunkyELF:

anyone else here run Gentoo?

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frank_:

fryfrog: Some DVI boxes output HDCP 1.2 encrypted signal. Ours did I think

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BULLE:

FunkyELF: now and then

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FunkyELF:

I'm wondering how the upgrade process is from .19 to .20

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FunkyELF:

...and what I should do besides a database backup

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BULLE:

FunkyELF: havent tried that, so i cant help you with that

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brian423:

FunkyELF: I recently upgraded from 0.19 to 0.20 on gentoo and had no issues, except that mythweb became broken and I had to wait for the package to be upgraded, and that was about my only problem, I'm having issues w/ my frontend (which isn't gentoo)

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McDoof:

anyone using usb-uirt?

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antiProzac:

how do I bump contrast and brightness up a notch

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antiProzac:

I saw the seetings in the database somewhere, I figure there is a way to modify them

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nordle:

I've assigned a mythfrontend start command to a remote button, and edited lircc and restarted irexec -d. But it wont fire up mythfrontend, nothing happens. The script works fine if run from a terminal. So do I need to assign some sort of xterm command to the front of /usr/local/bin/mythfrontend command, or is there another reason this wont work. Im using fluxbox wm.

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nordle:

antiProzac: I saw those settings in the menu while playing dvd.

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degreseven:

antiProzac, G, i think

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pben:

argh, this is really starting to get to me

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mezoko:

Hi

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pben:

managed to get controller working earlier by adding a couple of modules (xir.o and xpad.o) into /lib/modules/2.4.31-xbox/kernel/drivers/usb/ and after that the remote worked fine

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pben:

a re-boot and it still worked fine

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pben:

then another re-boot and it's gone back to how it was

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pben:

all screwed up

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mezoko:

How much would recording one tv take from my processer, intel celeron D 2.53 ghz w/ 512MB ram?

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DrMitch:

what's this talk about mouse gestures in .20? how do i activate it/find out what they are?

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DrMitch:

mezoko – enough. 30% maybe

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halex-ab:

mezoko, recording takes little cpu usage, it's the post-processing and viewing that takes a decent amount of cpu..

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mezoko:

halex-ab: how much would you sayt eh post-processing and viewing would take?

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halex-ab:

if you have xvmc going, about 60–70% for a SD stream – well, in my case anyway (i have similar specs)

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DrMitch:

mezoko, i can run firefox, and watch a divx movie while postprocing a tv show on my amd-2.0ghz

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DrMitch:

with 1 gig ram

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DrMitch:

depends on the quality and settings i'm sure though

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mezoko:

well I'm thinking about buying that cpu, and then using it as my server (http, ssh, etc...) and a mythtv box

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halex-ab:

daemons take little cpu unless their getting hammered, so you should be fine..

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mezoko:

halex-ab: yeah , it just a server I run mainly for my personal usage, and a few friends

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mezoko:

unless if I get slashdot affect which I doubt will ever happen

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halex-ab:

yeh, your machine should be able to handle it fine..

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mezoko:

plus probably my ISP would be up in flames before my server dies :P

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DrMitch:

hi

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halex-ab:

'ello..!

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nadia007:

wondering if someone could give me a hand with my myth... I have the software installed, I have a composite cable going from my pvr150 to my tv... but when I run mythfrontend, I see nothing on tv

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nadia007:

but it does display on the pc monitor!

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mezoko:

now I just got to figure out if this onbaord graphics card works in linux

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halex-ab:

sounds like it's still putting the video out onto the X output for your display, rather than your tv..

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halex-ab:

you using TV-out..?

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nadia007:

halex-ab, where do I configure that?

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mezoko:

oh shit it doesnt :P

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mezoko:

what type of nvidia card would i need anything all that heavy?

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halex-ab:

mezoko, I have a 6600GT, works perfectly fine for me, plus I can do some gaming when I'm bored.. it'll set you back about $130?

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mezoko:

halex-ab: I might have to reconsider the case

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mezoko:

halex-ab: I was going for a small form factor, found something nice from MSI, but it won't work well for a myth box

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mezoko:

I gotta talk to my dad and see what he wants to do

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