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[00:27:16] scottder: I am using ATRPM repos getting errors like this MythWeb:
[00:27:18] scottder: Error at /var/www/html/mythweb/includes/mythbackend.php, line 167:
[00:27:19] scottder: Incompatible protocol version (mythweb=31, backend=30)
[00:30:51] antiProzac: does the hauppauge IR-blaster work with lirc. Its some USB reciever, and a blaster plugs into that.
[00:31:31] scottder: I use it
[00:31:39] scottder: came with my PVR150
[00:31:50] antiProzac: yes, thats what I bought this evening
[00:32:04] antiProzac: what lirc module is it called
[00:32:11] antiProzac: lirc_mce something
[00:33:01] BULLE: scottder: using 0.20 ?
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[00:50:20] Fnc: evening all... i know there out there somewhere, but i have a dvico card, and udev stuff i think looks alright, but i have no /dev/dvb0 and what not.... and i know there are some instructions on how to set that up, but i cant seem to find them... could anyone help me out
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[01:08:32] disant: maybe a dumb question but once I flagged the comercials,... how do I skip'em durign the playback?
[01:10:13] disant: nm.. actually found a log from this channels from 4 years ago that tell where to set it :)
[01:10:14] disant: http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1/2005-04-07
[01:11:02] Beirdo: umm, that's last year :)
[01:11:09] Beirdo: on this planet at least
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[01:11:32] disant: oh yeah you're right
[01:11:42] cipher_nemo: When I did #mplayer -vo xv /tmp/test.mpg ... where test.mpg is a valid mpeg video I recorded, I got this message:
[01:11:42] cipher_nemo: vo: couldn't open the X11 display ()! Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device.
[01:11:42] cipher_nemo: Is it normal to not be able to open the x11 display in ubuntu via a root terminal?
[01:11:53] Anduin: cipher_nemo: DISPLAY needs to be set
[01:11:53] Beirdo: anyways, if you have em marked, you can just hit z to skip over
[01:11:57] cipher_nemo: I am following install steps from the web
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[01:12:06] disant: Beirdo, how bout automatically?
[01:12:12] cipher_nemo: Anduin: how do I do that? sorry, I'm noobish
[01:12:17] Beirdo: there's a setting for that
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[01:12:28] disant: cipher_nemo, type 'echo $DISPLAY' tell us what you got?
[01:12:37] Anduin: cipher_nemo: If you are actually launching a terminal from withing X it should be set.
[01:12:58] cipher_nemo: disant: absolutely nothing, lol
[01:13:19] GreyFoxx: Lemme guess, you launched and xterm and then su'd to sudo'd to root ?
[01:13:33] cipher_nemo: Anduin: I'm using a terminal window and did sudo -i in ubuntu to get root for that terminal
[01:13:40] disant: sudo -m root
[01:13:40] cipher_nemo: yup Grey :)
[01:13:46] disant: that will preserve your env
[01:13:57] GreyFoxx: try running mplayer without the sudo to root,
[01:13:59] cipher_nemo: disant: thx! I'll try that right now!
[01:14:30] Anduin: There is no good reason to be running mplayer as root in general
[01:15:24] disant: *nods* yep.. it'll create all kind of temp files, log files that would be inaccessible when running as a regular user lately and you'll be wondering wtf
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[01:16:30] cipher_nemo: Anduin: I'm using root to simplify the install of MythTV, ivtv, kernel source making, etc.
[01:16:39] cipher_nemo: that worked! thanks everyone for the help :)
[01:17:59] disant: you should be doing 'sudo make install'
[01:20:23] regicide666: when I capture over firewire with test-mpeg2 the file does not play in mplayer. It says "No stream found". Any idea why?
[01:20:35] cipher_nemo: the author of one of the several guided installs mentioned I could do sudo -i to make that session only root... is there a difference other than log files and such?
[01:21:32] regicide666: I can get some files to play but only from the information channel 1 from timewarner
[01:22:10] regicide666: could time warner be encrypting everything?
[01:22:32] oblib: can anyone tell me or point me to somewhere that explains what the housekeeping thread does, and why or why not I would want to enable it?
[01:23:26] xris: oblib: it keeps things neat and tidy
[01:23:29] GreyFoxx: oblib: The source code like does :)
[01:24:19] oblib: If I disable it, will it allow my main drive to go to sleep? Right now, if I tell the drive to sleep, it wakes up right away, and I kind of suspect the housekeeper for that
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[01:25:04] GreyFoxx: Are you suspending the PC or something?
[01:25:30] oblib: no, just for powersaving. Suspend works fine
[01:25:49] oblib: Ideally the drive would go to sleep if it hasn't been used in the last xx minutes
[01:25:55] GreyFoxx: I disagree
[01:26:00] oblib: my media drive does just fine, but not the main
[01:26:14] GreyFoxx: it's extra wear and tear on the drive
[01:26:40] ** GreyFoxx disables all of that on all drives he gets his hands on :) **
[01:27:11] oblib: true, but is it really that significant? It is speeding up and slowing down all the time anyway
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[01:27:42] GreyFoxx: It's like turning on and off your TV 100 times a day versus leaving it on
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[01:27:56] GreyFoxx: Obvious less of a problem that it use to be though
[01:28:23] oblib: I would think it would only turn on and off once, maybe twice a day with my usage, unless something was periodically waking it up besides me.
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[01:28:56] GreyFoxx: to each there own :)
[01:29:05] oblib: In any case, what would I be missing without the housekeeper? Or at least where should I look in the code?
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[01:29:54] GreyFoxx: housekeeper handles auto expiring , other than that I'd have to go look at the code myself
[01:30:58] oblib: thanks. I'm just about to upgrade to .20 — looks like some good features were added
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[01:32:07] D-side: I am a very lazy individual.
[01:33:15] D-side: and apparently so is everyone else here. :D
[01:35:30] Fnc: could someone help me figure out how to get my card setup right
[01:35:38] Fnc: i dont seem to have a /dev/dvb0
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[01:40:17] D-side: meh. when did the protocol change from 30 to 31 take place?
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[01:44:30] coolego1: has anyone been able to get nuvexport to use the MythTV cutlist and actually work? I imported the commflag into the cutlist and nuvexport doesn't seem to have gotten the picture as it still says it is encoding the full number of frames (not a reduced number)
[01:44:31] frank_: ok. I'm adding a MSI TV@nywhere Master card to my mythtv box which already had a PVR-150. I got almost everything. My PVR-150 is working again. the MSI card works in tvtime (with sound) but in mythtv, the picture is only red and green with sound working. Does the red and green problem ring a bell?
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[01:45:36] Fnc: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . dvb0;#132027
[01:45:46] oblib: Fnc: if it's not showing up there, it's probably more of a #linuxtv question
[01:45:50] Fnc: im kind of having this problem.. but i need to do it fo fc5
[01:46:07] Fnc: ahh.. theres a #linuxtv... thats good to know
[01:46:13] Fnc: off to there.
[01:47:38] D-side: Cardoe: i wish i understood this. :)
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[01:48:17] JohnQ: myth websites still down?? whats going on with it?
[01:48:28] D-side: uh
[01:48:32] Fnc: shh... i think there sleeping over there
[01:48:34] D-side: what myth website are you talking about?
[01:48:52] JohnQ: www.mythtv.org
[01:48:59] D-side: i'm at it right now
[01:49:00] oblib: JohnQ: works for me...
[01:49:09] GreyFoxx: Aparrently apache on that vserver has been freaking out :)
[01:49:13] D-side: maybe your isp's dns is crap.
[01:49:22] D-side: i think they just switched hosting providers
[01:49:22] oblib: it's probably a conspiracy
[01:49:28] GreyFoxx: Though it is working for me right now
[01:49:30] JohnQ: Every page I visit there is blank white.
[01:49:39] D-side: how bout that.
[01:49:42] Fnc: yeah we just rerouted his traffic
[01:49:43] oblib: JohnQ: oh, I have seen that too
[01:49:43] GreyFoxx: The wiki isn't working though
[01:49:48] D-side: GreyFoxx: you can help me. you probably don't want to help me, but you can I bet.
[01:50:08] JohnQ: hmm... odd
[01:50:09] Cardoe: D-side: what's up?
[01:50:36] D-side: Cardoe: mind a msg?
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[01:53:29] Cardoe: D-side: sure
[01:53:35] D-side: already done. :)
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[01:57:41] frank_: ok. I'm adding a MSI TV@nywhere Master card to my mythtv box which already had a PVR-150. I got almost everything. My PVR-150 is working again. the MSI card works in tvtime (with sound) but in mythtv, the picture is only red and green with sound working. Does the red and green problem ring a bell?
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[01:58:26] tank-man: frank_, can you do cat /dev/video > test.mpg and play that?
[01:59:38] simcop2387: if the card works in tvtime its not a hardware encoder card
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[02:00:00] simcop2387: at least last i looked tvtime didn't do anything fancy that would let them work
[02:00:26] kormoc: that is true, tv time only supports bttv cards, same with xawtv and kdetv iirc
[02:01:57] frank_: tank-man: no, the msi doesn't encode to mpeg
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[02:02:31] frank_: I just changed the /dev/vbi device for that card. gonna try again
[02:02:32] tank-man: i didnt know it wasnt a hardware encoder card
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[02:05:11] frank_: I'm not exactly sure what /dev/vbi is but setting /dev/video1 and /dev/vbi1 didn't change anything
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[02:06:09] kormoc: vbi is the extra info in the stream, like closed captioning and similar
[02:06:33] kormoc: you might have the cable freq table wrong?
[02:07:34] frank_: kormoc: The PVR-150 card works fine. woulnd't they be using the same one?
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[02:08:01] kormoc: frank_, they are set per card in mythtv-setup
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[02:08:11] kormoc: frank_, and yeah, they should be, but they might not
[02:08:16] kormoc: worth checking
[02:08:18] ** kormoc shrugs **
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[02:09:32] frank_: kormoc: ok. I get the same result if I set the MSI card as V4L analog type input or a MJPEG Capture card. does that make sense?
[02:10:02] kormoc: not really
[02:10:08] kormoc: one of them shouldn't work
[02:10:29] kormoc: but in anycase, I'm out
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[02:20:03] Fnc: heh
[02:20:10] Fnc: modprobe dvb-bt8xx
[02:20:23] Fnc: created the dang /dev/dvb/adapter0 and all
[02:21:29] Honk^away: is there any way to switch off that blue overlay showing the song title etc. in myth music after switching the screen to black? =)
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[02:22:33] ** J-e-f-f-A -- must have taken a net hit... Oh well, I'm back now! **
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[02:27:23] dem: what's up with the wiki
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[02:29:52] CyberKnet: J-e-f-f-A: I find it quite amazing that xbox memory cards are so ... unreliable.
[02:30:43] J-e-f-f-A: CyberKnet: Yeah? I've only used mine for 10 minutes to transfer the game save... ;-)
[02:31:09] J-e-f-f-A: dem: Apparently apache's been having a tough time on the server lately...
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[02:33:04] J-e-f-f-A: dem: Actually that's probablay wrong (sorry) the web site is up, so apache is ok. I did hear about an issue w/it the other night though... Look like it's still down.
[02:33:13] CyberKnet: J-e-f-f-A: A 6 Mb file copied onto it (8Mb card) and off of it will have corruption. amazing.
[02:34:05] CyberKnet: J-e-f-f-A: I had to buy a USB memory stick because the xbox cart would not copy the file without it getting corrupted.
[02:34:25] J-e-f-f-A: CyberKnet: Really? I didn't have any issues with my card at all... I read & wrote it with an adapter cable I made to use the x-box controller on my pc. I used '
[02:34:35] J-e-f-f-A: Action reply" to read & write the memory card.
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[02:34:52] J-e-f-f-A: ouch
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[02:35:13] disant: weird... detected 9 commercials... set it to skip automatically... didnt skip one
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[02:35:25] disant: works if i skip manually with 'z'
[02:35:33] J-e-f-f-A: "And now back to our normally scheduled program..."
[02:35:41] CyberKnet: J-e-f-f-A: Only $15 ... no big hit ... but definitely made me re-think the reliability of putting saves on xbox cards ;)
[02:36:06] J-e-f-f-A: CyberKnet: Yeah, no kidding, eh? Maybe it was the driver though?
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[02:36:46] CyberKnet: J-e-f-f-A: USBIO driver provided with action replay
[02:36:56] CyberKnet: software
[02:37:21] J-e-f-f-A: CyberKnet: That's what I used, on my xp machine...
[02:37:38] CyberKnet: J-e-f-f-A: could be the manufacture. Mine wasn't a microsoft card.
[02:37:58] J-e-f-f-A: CyberKnet: Yeah, that might be. I think mine is.
[02:38:24] CyberKnet: considering gentoox here
[02:38:33] J-e-f-f-A: CyberKnet: Also, flash memory wears out ... approx 10,000 write cycles... Did you use the card alot in the past?
[02:38:50] CyberKnet: J-e-f-f-A: Nope. Barely used at all.
[02:39:05] J-e-f-f-A: CyberKnet: Did you buy it new?
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[02:40:47] CyberKnet: J-e-f-f-A: Yep.
[02:41:02] CyberKnet: I suppose I could have damaged it desoldering the PCB from the connector, or when I soldered on the USB male
[02:41:41] J-e-f-f-A: CyberKnet: Strange... yeah, that's possible too... I just hacked up a 'breakaway' cable, like I already told ya the other day...
[02:42:34] J-e-f-f-A: CyberKnet: So anyways, did you get Linux to install yet?
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[02:43:43] CyberKnet: Not yet. It's got Evo-X on it right now until GentooX downloads.
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[02:44:21] J-e-f-f-A: CyberKnet: I had to burn my cd at 4x to get the X-Box to read it btw...
[02:44:58] CyberKnet: oooh. great piece of advice thanks.
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[02:50:16] outpour: whenever i try to play Live TV, i get a black screen for a bit till it times out. in the mythbackend.log file there is the line "VIDIOCGMBUF"
[02:50:36] outpour: i've found users with the same problem on google, but no solutions were posted
[02:51:18] J-e-f-f-A: CyberKnet: Acutally – I just found the disc. It was a DVD+R burned at 2.4x
[02:51:28] outpour: oh it's a hauppauge pvr-150 card with the ivtv 0.7.0
[02:51:44] J-e-f-f-A: CyberKnet: s/Acutally/Actually/  ;-)
[02:52:09] ShockValue: for the life of me i cant figure out why my new gentoo box cant get to the network. it loads up net.eth0 just fine (ifconfig shows the correct IP), but anything i try (ssh, ping, etc) all i can get is "no route to host"
[02:52:24] ShockValue: can someone take a look at my config and make sure im not missing something? : http://pastebin.ca/190549
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[02:52:38] ShockValue: oops, wrong chan
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[03:07:35] john: i am getting some incorrect listings from mythfilldatabase
[03:08:19] john: here is an example, for the next 4 or 5 days the disney channel has correct data, but after that south park will be playing on the disney channel
[03:08:53] john: which is wrong, and because south park is auto recorded I will end up with tv labeled as south park but acutally being disney shows
[03:09:24] john: any idea how i can fix this? the majority of the data in the guide is correct, i think that i just need to clear the program guide data and recapture it
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[03:11:12] burner: i`m having trouble with disk noice during live tv... is it possible to turn of "cache" ?
[03:11:33] xris: burner: "disk noise"?
[03:11:41] burner: yeeh :P
[03:11:50] xris: sounds like you need a new hard drive if it's that loud
[03:12:25] burner: it`s not that old...
[03:12:31] J-e-f-f-A: burner, xris: Or mount it in a more sound-proof way...
[03:12:48] J-e-f-f-A: burner: IE: with rubber grommets or something...
[03:12:58] burner: hm, ok
[03:14:07] xris: burner: any drive made within the last say 5 years should be more than quiet enough.
[03:14:10] burner: my trouble is that the disk is writing every 2 sec. And sounds like a clock..
[03:14:17] xris: assuming nothing is wrong with it.
[03:14:40] burner: i have 2 samsung 120gb s-ata disks
[03:14:40] xris: anyway, no way to turn off the writing-to-disk part. that's just how myth works.
[03:15:07] burner:
[03:15:10] xris: sounds like your enclosure isn't sound shielded very well. cpu fan is usually the loudest thing in the box.
[03:15:34] siXy: samsung drives often need acoustic management turned on to soften the seek noise
[03:15:47] J-e-f-f-A: xris: Q- what directory does Myth use for the buffer, /temp or someting? Would a diskless frontend need a ramdisk to handle the buffering efficiently?
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[03:16:11] xris: J-e-f-f-A: it uses whatever you configured it to use.
[03:16:35] burner: xris: that could be true. I`m using fancontrol, so the cpu fan is not running very often
[03:17:03] xris: burner: "not often"? that sounds dangerous unless you have a huge heatsink or a slow cpu
[03:17:25] burner: lm-sensors give out 37–38 C
[03:17:54] burner: live-tv uses 10% cpu
[03:18:19] xris: burner: not bad
[03:18:24] J-e-f-f-A: burner: It probably runs a a very low rpm, so it's quiet.
[03:18:25] xris: so you're using a hardware encoder, then?
[03:18:38] burner: but the fan starts when cpu temp is 40
[03:18:51] burner: i was until i could get the overscan to work
[03:19:08] burner: so now I`m using a nvidia card
[03:19:35] xris: burner: and livetv still only uses 10%? or are you talking only the frontend?
[03:19:36] john: does anyone know how to flush all tv listings from the database and repopulate them
[03:19:43] burner: (have tried with pvr-350 for some weeks now)
[03:19:54] J-e-f-f-A: xris: I don't follow — is there a seperate directory in the frontend config for the buffer? The only one I was aware of was for the backend recordings.
[03:20:00] GreyFoxx: jeff: No
[03:20:03] burner: xris: both frontend and backend
[03:20:09] GreyFoxx: The frontend doesn't buffer anything
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[03:20:57] J-e-f-f-A: GreyFoxx: Ok, I was confused then. I'm trying to get my diskless frontend to netboot, and was wondering if I needed to setup a ramdisk for myth to use for buffering.
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[03:21:09] metalac: hey guys
[03:21:17] GreyFoxx: J-e-f-f-A: No you don't have too
[03:21:33] J-e-f-f-A: GreyFoxx: Any PXE experience?
[03:21:51] GreyFoxx: All of my frontends have always been diskless,but I've never used PXE to do it
[03:22:13] J-e-f-f-A: GreyFoxx: How do you do it?
[03:22:16] metalac: so i setup myth to record john stewart every day, but since the show airs at 11pm, 1am, 8am, 10am, 8pm myth records it at random times it sees fit, but i want to watch it at 5am, how can i set it so that it only records it at either 11pm or 1am?
[03:22:45] metalac: J-e-f-f-A: http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Diskless_Frontend
[03:22:56] GreyFoxx: J-e-f-f-A: I've used etherboot, plain old cat';d the kernel to a floppy and configured with rdev, and now they all have a CF card with akernel that is told to mount the root fs over nfs
[03:23:07] burner: xris: im running top now, and the backend is`nt using more than 1–2%... so maybe it`s using the hardware encoder in the pvr-350 even though i`m not usings its build-in tv-out?
[03:23:23] J-e-f-f-A: metalac: Been there, tried that. It gets the IP, downloads the kernel, downloads the initrd, then hangs at "Ready."...
[03:23:37] metalac: J-e-f-f-A: oh sorry got in late ;)
[03:24:21] J-e-f-f-A: GreyFoxx: Ok, well I've got a CF card & CF->IDE adapter. I know 1GB is a bit much (ya think!), but I could do the same...
[03:24:52] GreyFoxx: J-e-f-f-A: my frontends right now are all msntv2's that have acf card in them where I placethe kernel
[03:25:04] GreyFoxx: before I used pc machines with a floppy holding the kernel
[03:25:29] xris: burner: of course it is.
[03:25:39] J-e-f-f-A: GreyFoxx: Did you have to compile your kernel yourself? I think I'm using the 'default' MythDora kernel. Perhaps it isn't compiled for an NFS root, and that may be my whole issue...
[03:25:42] xris: "tuner" and "video card" are not the same thing
[03:26:03] xris: anyway, with a hardware encoder, there's not really anything you can do to avoid it touching the disk
[03:26:04] GreyFoxx: J-e-f-f-A: I always compile my own kernel. I haven't used a stock kernel in like 10+ years :)
[03:26:43] burner: xris: i dont know how that encoder works... :P So i`m asking :)
[03:26:48] J-e-f-f-A: GreyFoxx: I'm a newbie! I'm still using RPM's... ;-) Only been playing with Linux since I stumbled upon MythTV about 1–1/2 years ago...  ;-)
[03:26:49] GreyFoxx: but yes, I specifically compiled nfsroot support into the kernel I'm using right now
[03:27:03] xris: ah, yeah, it's a hardware encoder. pretty sure it's the same one as the pvr-250
[03:27:27] GreyFoxx: It is
[03:27:36] metalac: GreyFoxx: you said you're running HD ok on your machine, can i see your xorg.conf?
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[03:27:48] J-e-f-f-A: xris, burner: Yep, xris is right. The 250 is a 350 without the hardware decoder and it's output...
[03:27:49] GreyFoxx: metalac: It's already online
[03:27:53] GreyFoxx: www.phaze.org/mythtv/
[03:28:00] metalac: GreyFoxx: thnx
[03:28:16] GreyFoxx: xorg.conf at the bottom, and before the XF86Config at the top
[03:28:34] J-e-f-f-A: metalac: What's your cpu/video? I run HD on a 1GHz PIII w/nvida XVMC on one frontend...
[03:28:58] J-e-f-f-A: metalac: It's choppy when the OSD displays, but good about 99% of the time otherwise (even up to 1080i)
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[03:29:35] metalac: J-e-f-f-A: well i was trying to do it without XvMC on semprong 2800+, but it's choppy, and i'm having issues with xvmc so it looks worse when xvmc is on
[03:29:49] robbins876: I want to build a frontend for my living room... if i don't have a TV card in it can i watch live TV via the backend's card?
[03:29:56] burner: does anyone of you know if the pvr-350 tv-out is going to get a proper driver anytime soon?
[03:30:04] GreyFoxx: robbins876: That's normally howit works :)
[03:30:12] burner: or if the overscan problem is solved in ivtv 0.7 ?
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[03:30:14] robbins876: greyFoxx>> really? even live tv?
[03:30:20] GreyFoxx: robbins876: Yup
[03:30:24] robbins876: sweet
[03:30:38] robbins876: how easy is it to get more than one tv card setup in a backend?
[03:30:38] J-e-f-f-A: metalac: Ouch. Yeah, something is setup wrong somewhere... One thing I found is that it got LESS choppy when I put the resolution HIGHER.
[03:30:48] GreyFoxx: robbins876: trivial
[03:30:57] siXy: burner: the 350s hardware accel is not needed on most systems... why not just ouse your gfx card?
[03:30:58] J-e-f-f-A: metalac: Me thinks that's because it didn't have to scale the HDTV signal down as much.
[03:31:08] GreyFoxx: robbins876: But do yourself a favour, avoid cheap bttv tuners
[03:31:10] robbins876: good deal! so i could put like 3 in the backend with no problems?
[03:31:13] metalac: J-e-f-f-A: i used to have scaling, but now i turned it off
[03:31:16] GreyFoxx: robbins876: up
[03:31:20] robbins876: i was planning on picking up a couple pvr-150's
[03:31:22] GreyFoxx: My master backend has 3 pvr250's in it
[03:31:25] robbins876: i've already got one
[03:31:31] robbins876: fucking sweet
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[03:31:47] J-e-f-f-A: robbins876: My backend's got a PVR-500, PVR-250 and a HD3000... ;-)
[03:31:54] robbins876: nice
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[03:32:20] robbins876: so the HDD in the frontend doesn't necessarily need to be large because it will all be stored on the backend anyway, right
[03:32:20] robbins876: ?
[03:32:26] GreyFoxx: right
[03:32:27] TTT_Travis: someone tell me if this will work – I use mythtv only for watching my videos because it's got a nice interface for accessing my videos and I can't think of anything for windows that does what I want. I have a Athlon 64 3200+ system running windows, I use it for windows most of the time, if I were to install VMware and install linux and run mythtv inside it and when I try to play a video make it send a command to my windo
[03:32:28] TTT_Travis: ws computer to play the video, my only concern is the menu structure might be slow since it;s emulated
[03:32:33] GreyFoxx: non of my hd's have drives at all
[03:32:50] GreyFoxx: but most people just use small hd's in their frontends and save the big drives for the backends
[03:33:15] robbins876: i built an NES PC and it's only got a 40gb, i was concerend because i don't think even a low profile card would fit in it, but since it works the way you say, i shouldn't need a tvcard for it at all
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[03:33:23] siXy: TTT_Travis – if i were you i would investigate mce or sagetv
[03:34:13] robbins876: thanks guys
[03:34:13] disant: any idea why would this happen... detected 9 commercials... set it to skip automatically... didnt skip one
[03:34:15] J-e-f-f-A: robbins876: What video card does that have?
[03:34:15] disant: works if i skip manually with 'z'
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[03:34:21] robbins876: which? the nes PC?
[03:34:24] robbins876: onboard video
[03:34:56] robbins876: i'm using the VIA M1000 mini-itx motherboard and it's got onboard video
[03:35:09] TTT_Travis: siXy here the thing, I just want something to watch my videos, I don't really need the live tv stuff, Front Row for mac does what I want but I can't find any alternative for windows
[03:35:19] J-e-f-f-A: robbins876: Then you probably want to look at minimyth — it's built for that board.
[03:35:21] TTT_Travis: I am sure there is something though
[03:35:36] robbins876: really? awesome
[03:35:48] robbins876: is it any more difficult to install than regular myth?
[03:36:26] J-e-f-f-A: robbins876: I think it's easier, as it's tailored for that board. But keep in mind -that's just for the frontend.
[03:36:37] siXy: TTT_Travis – either of the two i mentioned will do fine. if you dont have a tv card, mce automagically removes the tv stuff from its interface, and sage's menus are xml based so you may be able to do something there too
[03:36:43] J-e-f-f-A: robbins876: You'd be installing the backend on a different machine, with the disk drives & tuner card...
[03:36:48] J-e-f-f-A: (s)
[03:37:35] robbins876: correct
[03:37:42] robbins876: it will just be a frontend computer
[03:37:42] TTT_Travis: siXy oh, I will look into that
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[03:37:43] ** J-e-f-f-A I dunno... all this talk about MCE and SageTV... Yuck!  ;-) **
[03:37:44] TTT_Travis: thanks
[03:37:51] J-e-f-f-A: robbins876: It should work great then.
[03:38:06] siXy: the vista rc1 has a _very_ pretty MCE
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[03:38:52] robbins876: jeff> can you find me a link to minimyth?
[03:39:07] J-e-f-f-A: siXy: Yeah, but why pay for something that you can't modify, or tailor to your wants/needs/desires?!?  ;-)
[03:39:13] J-e-f-f-A: siXy: MythTV! MythTV!  ;-)
[03:39:40] siXy: jeffa – i agree, but not if that means trying to run myth in vmware....
[03:40:58] TTT_Travis: yeah
[03:41:07] TTT_Travis: I guess that was a bad idea anyway
[03:41:10] robbins876: link, jeff? I can't find it
[03:41:13] TTT_Travis: need a windows mythtv port
[03:41:14] J-e-f-f-A: robbins876: Sure... looking...
[03:41:17] TTT_Travis: and better themes
[03:41:23] TTT_Travis: MythCenter is pretty good
[03:41:30] TTT_Travis: with a few modifications it's really good
[03:41:36] dem: retro has an awesome OSD
[03:41:41] J-e-f-f-A: robbins: http://linpvr.org/
[03:41:46] TTT_Travis: but I still like MCE's design depsite it being designed by microsoft
[03:41:48] siXy: yeah retros what i use
[03:41:56] metalac: man xvmc stutters soooo bad
[03:42:10] metalac: waaaayyyy worse than without it, without xvmc it's ALMOST watchable
[03:42:18] TTT_Travis: a version of mythtv without all of the tv stuff would be cool, as an alternative to frontrow
[03:42:24] J-e-f-f-A: metalac: Strange...
[03:42:35] metalac: and i tried everything from the howto
[03:42:51] J-e-f-f-A: metalac: Is it something 'silly', like not assigning your video card an irq in your bios perhaps?
[03:43:11] robbins876: have you ever installed mini myth, Jeff?
[03:43:33] siXy: TTT_Travis: i did investigate that, but unfortunately compiling myth without the tv stuff is very non-trivial
[03:43:49] metalac: J-e-f-f-A: wouldn't then card not work at all?
[03:43:53] J-e-f-f-A: robbins876: No, sorry. I haven't forked out the cash for one of the via boards yet. I've got too many 'spare' free 'puters to use first...
[03:44:02] siXy: TTT_Travis: its failry easy to reconfig the menus to make it _appear_ that the tv isnt there, however :)
[03:44:11] robbins876: i see
[03:44:14] J-e-f-f-A: metalac: No, it would work, but wouldn't be able to generate interrupts to the cpu.
[03:44:20] robbins876: this site is pretty comprehensive, i don't think i should have too much trouble
[03:44:50] metalac: J-e-f-f-A: how can i find that out?
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[03:45:07] TTT_Travis: siXy yeah that is what I do now
[03:45:15] TTT_Travis: but I just want it on my windows box ;)
[03:45:15] J-e-f-f-A: robbins876: I've installed a few different 'flavors' or OS's and MythTv though... it's pretty easy, especially if you're linux-savvy. (I wasn't when I started...)
[03:45:21] TTT_Travis: my linux box is too noisy
[03:45:45] TTT_Travis: since it's a server I'd like to keep it on 24/7 but it's too loud when I sleep
[03:46:01] J-e-f-f-A: metalac: When you boot your pc, go into the bios, and somewhere in the advanced settings there should be an entry for "Assign an IRQ to VGA adapter" or similar.
[03:46:19] metalac: J-e-f-f-A: will try and look for it
[03:46:27] TTT_Travis: bbl
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[03:46:32] J-e-f-f-A: metalac: It's a little bit of a stretch, but wouldn't hurt to check. Ya never know... ;-)
[03:46:39] robbins876: Jeff, would i install fedora before installing minimyth?
[03:47:00] J-e-f-f-A: robbins876: Humm... I think it's all-inclusive...
[03:47:12] robbins876: really? that's even cooler, but i'm incredibly lost now
[03:47:16] robbins876: how do you install it?
[03:47:18] metalac: J-e-f-f-A: it was already checked to yes :)
[03:47:22] robbins876: is a cd you boot and install?
[03:47:45] J-e-f-f-A: metalac: Bummer, I was hoping it was something simple like that.
[03:47:58] metalac: J-e-f-f-A: me too :), it's been such a pain
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[03:49:03] J-e-f-f-A: robbins876: I'm not 100% sure — there's a link on the linpvr.org site for more detail — check that out — it has much more info.
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[03:50:22] J-e-f-f-A: metalac: Does mplayer play fine, and SD in myth? Is it just HD that's the issue?
[03:50:44] metalac: J-e-f-f-A: didn't try mplayer, but it's only HD that's an issue
[03:51:20] J-e-f-f-A: metalac: And you've got the nvidia drivers installed (downloaded from nvidia,not the built-in nvidia drivers)
[03:51:29] metalac: J-e-f-f-A: correct
[03:52:15] J-e-f-f-A: metalac: If you run mythfrontend from a shell with "-v all", does it give you any clews as to what's happening?
[03:52:53] metalac: J-e-f-f-A: let me try
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[03:53:05] gr8nash-home: hey
[03:53:37] J-e-f-f-A: metalac: What's your network connectivity? It's not wireless, is it?
[03:53:42] gr8nash-home: anyone seen this error on compiling SVN?
[03:53:42] gr8nash-home: http://de.pastebin.ca/186766
[03:54:03] metalac: J-e-f-f-A: it is wireless, but it's being watched on a backend
[03:54:04] J-e-f-f-A: No, but I have now!  ;-)
[03:54:09] gr8nash-home: i did a google search and only found this pastebin.. which isnt even mine but is the exact error
[03:54:38] xris: gr8nash-home: looks like you missed a large chunk of the error itself... but from what I see there, looks like you're missing the xvmc libs
[03:54:54] gr8nash-home: im not even compiling with XVMC enabled..
[03:55:09] gr8nash-home: xris, its knoppmyth fyi
[03:55:19] xris: no clue
[03:55:24] xris: sure looks like it got enabled somehow
[03:55:41] gr8nash-home: yeah..
[03:55:41] gr8nash-home: i agree
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[03:58:18] DigeratiH: I have a HP and it has 512 megs ram of ddr2 and its installed as 2x256, I wanted to add another 512 so can I buy one stick or must I buy 2x256 to put in the remainding slots?
[03:58:20] J-e-f-f-A: metalac: So this is a combined fe/be that's only connected to the web wirelessly, or do you have wireless frontends too?
[03:58:35] metalac: J-e-f-f-A: this is the only myth box in here
[03:58:59] gr8nash-home: well maybe ill ignore the fact that xvmc isnt enabled and try to find xvmc devel stuff
[03:59:07] opello: DigeratiH: ddr2 doesn't need to be in parity ala rdram
[03:59:19] opello: (unless of course you demand dual channelness)
[03:59:29] J-e-f-f-A: metalac: Ok. In mythtv-setup, what do you have your IP set to, your wireless IP, or 127.0.0.1 — if you've got it set to your wireless IP, change it back to 127.0.0.1
[03:59:54] DigeratiH: so its ok if there is two sticks in there and I add a single stick?
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[04:00:21] opello: DigeratiH: as long as you have the slots for it, yup
[04:00:36] achew22: is there a way to set the qt dir when doing configure in .20?
[04:00:42] metalac: J-e-f-f-A: it's at 127.0.0.1
[04:00:53] DigeratiH: kool
[04:01:45] J-e-f-f-A: metalac: Humm.... Any luck with "mythfrontend -v all" output? Any clues?
[04:02:17] metalac: J-e-f-f-A: nope nothing really there, it records the dropped frames, but it doesn't tell me why they're droped
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[04:03:25] ZGamer: when choosing a tuner card what's a decent one which can do analog/digital/hd...possibly dual-tuner but somewhat on a budget
[04:03:32] J-e-f-f-A: metalac: So it says something about dropped frames, not "prebuffering pause" then...
[04:03:43] metalac: J-e-f-f-A: yeah no prebuffering pause
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[04:03:58] J-e-f-f-A: metalac: When you boot up, do you get the 'Nvidia" splash screen?
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[04:04:22] metalac: J-e-f-f-A: yep
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[04:05:04] J-e-f-f-A: metalac: Then it's using the right driver... Humm... I'm running out of things to check!!!!
[04:06:28] ZGamer: when choosing a tuner card what's a decent one which can do analog/digital/hd...possibly dual-tuner but somewhat on a budget?
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[04:07:49] Fnc: dont get a dvico
[04:07:59] Fnc: mine worked for a bit then nothing but problems
[04:08:36] metalac: J-e-f-f-A: hmmm i just tried restarting X few times and i don't get a logo anymore, weird
[04:08:57] Fnc: have a AirStar-HD5000AV-PCI showing up tmo
[04:09:17] Fnc: if your on a budget id get a hdhomerun
[04:09:19] Tronic_: I'm having trouble with MythTV menus (main menu, top levels of setting/scheduling menues, etc). Problem #1: fonts are too large (where can I adjust these?). Problem #2: screen drawing is way too slow (about 0.7 second latency when moving inside a menu, not even selecting anything).
[04:09:32] Fnc: then a pvr150
[04:09:36] J-e-f-f-A: metalac: check your /etc/X11/xorg.conf to see if it's still set to "nv" for the driver...
[04:09:49] Tronic_: The slowness is strange as I have proper OpenGL acceleration (that is used for the menus, right?).
[04:10:00] Tronic_: (Nvidia + binary drivers)
[04:10:08] J-e-f-f-A: Tronic_: 2) How much memory and what speed cpu?
[04:10:53] metalac: J-e-f-f-A: no it's nvidia, it's been nvidia always it's weird, cuz the logs show that the right driver loads
[04:10:53] Tronic_: 512 megs RAM, P-M 0.8–1.8 GHz.
[04:11:36] Tronic_: Maybe if I disable the CPU frequency scaling...
[04:12:11] J-e-f-f-A: metalac: I'm pretty sure the nvidia binary driver is 'nv' and the
[04:12:13] J-e-f-f-A: 'stock' one is 'nvidia' ---
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[04:13:07] metalac: J-e-f-f-A: no it's the other way around xorg driver is called nv and Nvidia's is nvidia
[04:13:09] Tronic_: Nope, still slow, running at full 1.8 GHz.
[04:13:51] Tronic_: The menu font size seems to depend on X DPI values, as I am getting vastly differing font sizes on different machines.
[04:14:43] J-e-f-f-A: metalac: oops... sorry... Then I guess I'm running the 'stock' nvidia driver on my backend, and the binary nvidia driver on my frontend that can playback HD with XVMC with just a 1Ghz PIII
[04:15:19] J-e-f-f-A: Tronic_: Yes, I think that's correct. IIRC, I read somewhere that it should be set to 100x100dpi...
[04:15:30] metalac: J-e-f-f-A: maybe i should try that
[04:16:03] Tronic_: Isn't there any way to adjust the font size instead?
[04:16:14] J-e-f-f-A: metalac: It can only get worse...
[04:16:16] Tronic_: Changing desktop DPI has funny effect on other things :/
[04:17:05] J-e-f-f-A: Tronic_: Yes, in the frontend go to settings – OTTOMH I think it's in the "General" section.
[04:17:31] Tronic_: There are tree font size settings there, yet none of them seem to affect the menu font.
[04:17:36] Tronic_: *three
[04:17:44] J-e-f-f-A: metalac: I mean, it can only get worse if you are in fact using the binary nvidia drivers now.
[04:18:01] J-e-f-f-A: Tronic_: I think you need to restart the frontend to see the effect.
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[04:19:16] metalac: J-e-f-f-A: yeah, but i found an error regarding BOB let me see if i can fix it
[04:20:35] J-e-f-f-A: metalac: That's one thing I noticed — bob looks great for HD, but not that great for SD... Maybe I need to submit a 'wishlist' item for different deinterlace modes for each video mode. (Unless it's already in .20 — haven't checked yet.)
[04:20:55] Tronic_: The menu slowness seems to be due to the large resolution (1680x1050).
[04:21:21] Tronic_: However, it is not very nice having to change resolutions for the menus to work :/
[04:21:42] J-e-f-f-A: Tronic_: Ouch. What are you running at that resolution? What's your gfx card again?
[04:22:29] J-e-f-f-A: Tronic_: I think you can set different resolutions for the GUI (menus), and playback... Should be in the same area in the settings — perhaps the "TV" section...
[04:22:34] Tronic_: GeForce Go 6600.
[04:22:48] Tronic_: I want to avoid mode switches altogether.
[04:23:08] Tronic_: (it makes task switching more difficult, etc)
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[04:23:30] Tronic_: 128 megs of video RAM.
[04:23:43] J-e-f-f-A: Tronic_: If you're using .20, I think you can turn off the fancy new GL stuff... That might be the root of your problem at that high of a resolution with a relatively slow cpu. (For such a large resolution)
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[04:24:28] Tronic_: Hmm.. No wonder it is slow.
[04:24:47] Tronic_: If the menu uses a full screen image for everything, rather than composing of smaller images.
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[04:25:16] Tronic_: ... the graphics RAM can only hold about a dozen of these huge images.
[04:25:29] Netslayer: why would mythfrontend say " Joystick disabled." .. i want my joystick to work
[04:25:31] J-e-f-f-A: Tronic_: Hey, if you know how to code, then fix it! ;-) It's open source after all! ;-)
[04:25:51] Tronic_: Which would mean that they need to be offloaded to system RAM, which means slow loading to gfx card.
[04:26:36] Tronic_: J-e-f-f-A: This seems to fall pretty much under the category of "won't fix". Maybe writing a new frontend from scratch?
[04:27:27] Tronic_: I'd really prefer for it to use regular GTK2 or Qt widgets, so if I am coding anything, it will be so.
[04:27:46] J-e-f-f-A: Tronic_: So far my highest resolution frontend is 1152x864 (iirc) — that's the highest resolution my 21" Panasonic monitor will go in my bedroom...
[04:27:59] Tronic_: Even the backend uses Qt, so it would be a license violation to use GTK2, though :/
[04:28:01] Netslayer: nm i'm a moron
[04:28:36] J-e-f-f-A: Tronic_: Maybe turning off the .20 GL stuff will help? It's my understanding it's used to fade the menus or something... To make it prettier... But perhaps it's got a huge performance hit at your resolution...
[04:29:02] Tronic_: Unless merely communicating with it (not linking to it) is not considered to require adhering to the license.
[04:29:05] Netslayer: is it possible to launch a program/run batch script from a jostickmenurc ?
[04:29:23] Tronic_: J-e-f-f-A: The fading is done in hardware, which has plenty of power.
[04:29:48] Tronic_: Simply browsing the menus (which have no fade effects) is the slow thing.
[04:30:07] Tronic_: I suppose I should have a gfx card with 256 or 512 megs RAM at these resolutions.
[04:30:21] J-e-f-f-A: Tronic_: Ok, so it's the 'painting' of the menu then, right? Is there an option to have a solid background color instead of an image? (can't remember ottomh)
[04:31:10] metalac: how do i find out what refresh rate i'm currently running?
[04:31:15] J-e-f-f-A: Tronic_: Looks like you're going to need that PCI-X dual-SLI system after all! ;-)
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[04:32:08] slide: I am having trouble recognizing my channels, I should get up to channel 73, but myth is only recognizing up to channel 13. It was working before and all of a sudden stopped
[04:32:39] Tronic_: J-e-f-f-A: PCI-E. SLI is not available for PCI-X.
[04:32:41] J-e-f-f-A: metalac: One way is to start 'xvidtune' — just don't change anything... then exit it.
[04:33:22] J-e-f-f-A: Tronic_: Yeah, your'e right... typo. I remember when it was first available on Vodoo cards in PCI slots years ago...  ;-)
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[04:33:51] metalac: J-e-f-f-A: so it keeps telling me that my refresh rate won't work with Bob deinterlace, but minimum for bob is 50hz and mine is at 75
[04:33:57] Tronic_: What's the effect of the "Menu theme" option?
[04:34:08] Tronic_: Versus "Theme", that is.
[04:34:21] J-e-f-f-A: metalac: You in the US, or uk? What's your video standard?
[04:34:23] Tronic_: Because the latter seems to be choosing my menus already.
[04:34:48] Tronic_: Or maybe not.. /me goes testing more
[04:34:50] metalac: J-e-f-f-A: NTSC
[04:35:17] J-e-f-f-A: metalac: Then set it to 60hz and see what happens.
[04:37:04] metalac: J-e-f-f-A: I just did same thing
[04:37:10] metalac: this is driving me nuts i'm gona go sleep
[04:37:48] J-e-f-f-A: metalac: Yeah me too... it's past midnight and I've gotta be up for work at 7:00... yuck.
[04:38:08] metalac: J-e-f-f-A: thanks for all the help and have a good night
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[04:38:09] J-e-f-f-A: metalac: ttyl...
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[04:42:42] Tronic_: Is there a button to bring up hotkey help?
[04:42:52] Tronic_: There are way too many to remember :/
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[04:48:41] Netslayer: how do i restore the default key configs.. i don't like the customized them
[04:48:48] Netslayer: "how i"
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[04:49:04] Tronic_: Btw, choosing the MythCenter theme pretty much solved the menu lag problem.
[04:49:51] Tronic_: It seems to work around the font size problem too, as the labels fit in their places now.
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[05:01:03] quink: hey.
[05:01:07] quink: anyone run gentoo + ivtv?
[05:03:09] achew22: quink, I'm know about both, can I try to help?
[05:03:39] disant: anyone got a channelswitcher that would controll Explorer 4200HD via firewire?
[05:03:47] quink: Well things have been running fine. Then someone decided to reboot the computer. Ever since then I can't get IVTV to load properly
[05:03:55] quink: complains about the firmware being unable to load.
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[05:04:11] quink: ivtv0: unable to open firmware v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw
[05:04:12] burner: Tronic_: maybe a fontsize problem could be fixed with displaysize 400 225 in X config or something?
[05:04:36] quink: what version of ivtv are you using, and kernel, and where do you keep the firmware and what permissions are on it?
[05:04:54] achew22: quink, will you please locate v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw
[05:05:24] quink: /lib/firmware/v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw
[05:05:28] quink: /lib/modules/v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw
[05:05:53] achew22: where does your firmware program want to look?
[05:06:01] quink: i am not entirely sure.
[05:06:18] quink: hotplug, as far as i can gather by reading docs, should look in /lib/firmware
[05:06:25] quink: and if that fails it should look in /lib/modules.
[05:06:58] achew22: yes but it has a config file
[05:07:42] quink: really?
[05:07:45] quink: ivtv or hotplug/
[05:07:55] achew22: my hotplug had a config file
[05:08:02] achew22: did you emerge ivtv? or did you do it from source?
[05:08:13] quink: hm.
[05:08:16] quink: nope. from source
[05:08:25] achew22: try to emerge it
[05:08:28] quink: i'm running a slightly older kernel and last i recall the stuff in portage didn't suport me
[05:08:40] achew22: look what you have
[05:09:08] achew22: uname -r
[05:09:27] quink: well there we go. they have a 4.5 ivtv. that'll work
[05:09:29] quink: let me try that.
[05:09:44] quink: i still have yet to upgrade to modular X too.
[05:10:02] quink: are you using modular X?
[05:10:44] achew22: when did you do install gentoo?
[05:10:47] achew22: yes i'm using modular X
[05:10:53] quink: achew22: years and years ago
[05:11:06] quink: did you upgrade from 6.x.xx?
[05:11:10] achew22: yeah
[05:11:36] quink: anything worth noting ?
[05:11:41] quink: i mean for me to avoid so i don't screw things up.
[05:11:42] achew22: not really
[05:11:44] achew22: its just a little faster
[05:11:50] quink: ah
[05:11:53] achew22: I had some issues and had to redo my xorg.conf file
[05:12:00] quink: fun
[05:12:16] quink: nope. the ivtv 4.5 i emerged is screwy too. not loading the firmware. but i have a few ideas.
[05:13:00] achew22: I got IVTV up to 0.6.3
[05:13:21] quink: yeah i'd need a new kernel for that and the changes between the kernel i'm using and the new one are mor ehten i care to bother with right now.
[05:14:24] achew22: I liked 4.X
[05:14:55] quink: big differences?
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[05:15:29] achew22: um....
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[05:31:09] adante: hi, is there a way i can find out which svn revision of myth i am running?
[05:32:21] adante: got it sorry to bother
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[05:59:33] quink: nope no luck
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[06:11:00] kraut: moin
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[06:34:52] ** simcop2387 wants to beat the FOX executives **
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[06:45:47] xris: simcop2387: what for this time?
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[06:46:25] simcop2387: xris: the baseball stuff tonight instead of the shows i wanted :)
[06:46:47] simcop2387: i hate missing shows :)
[06:51:57] Juski: arghhH! I fscking hate this place (where work is located). Back of beyond, nothing here.. no shops, no cash machine for miles (suppose that's ok cos there's no shops...)... it's a fscking DUMP
[06:55:41] siXy: are there mountains there?
[06:56:13] siXy: if so that would be my ideal place to live :)
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[06:57:01] kambei: I'm having an issue with Myth/Transcode for DVD extraction.
[06:57:27] kambei: As soon as the image is done transferring to the disc, mtd stops completely.
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[06:58:19] Anduin: kambei: Look at the mtd.log, run the transcode command mtd is using manually, see if it works.
[06:58:36] kambei: The mtd.log indicates that the "job finished successfully", but when it does this, the "progress indicator" is only half-full.
[06:59:18] Anduin: kambei: and how long did the transcode supposedly take?
[06:59:19] kambei: It also gives the path to the final destination of the transcoded file, but of course, nothing is actually put there.
[06:59:40] kambei: The rip took 10 minutes, and the transcode decided it was done at that time.
[06:59:51] kambei: Obviously, that is not enough time to actually process the video.
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[07:01:23] Anduin: So run the transcode command that is in the log and see what is happening
[07:01:30] Juski: siXy: no, no mountains here. Just roads & fields. Like I said it's a DUMP
[07:01:39] kambei: Anduin: I'm on it.
[07:03:44] kambei: Anduin: And thanks for the help so far.
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[07:16:25] kambei: Anduin: Looks like the source video is disappearing.
[07:18:22] Anduin: kambei: That is transcode failing and mtd thinking it is done (and so cleaning up after itself)
[07:19:59] kambei: Anduin: Okay.
[07:20:27] kambei: Anduin: Should the destination AVI appear right away?
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[07:22:11] Anduin: kambei: That start of one, unless two passes (so probably noe)
[07:22:12] Anduin: t
[07:23:22] Anduin: kambei: Basically I'd recommend that you do a perfect rip, run the transcode command that mtd tried to run on the result (so the source doesn't get deleted), and see that transcode is failing some way
[07:23:49] kambei: Anduin: I'm on it.
[07:25:02] Anduin: kambei: Someone on the mail list was seeing transcode segfault when using the 32-bit version (on the 64), it shouldn't actually be the problem, just throwing it out there to gum up the works.
[07:25:25] kambei: Anduin: It looks to me like I do not have the xvid libraries.
[07:27:16] kambei: I would imagine that such a thing could seriously impede my ability to transcode.
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[07:37:35] kambei: Anduin: Looks like that was the problem. And you, sir, rock.
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[07:49:56] xris: wtf, anyone know why mythfilldb wouldn't be re-adding any of my channels?
[07:51:02] Anduin: xris: It shouldn't, you mean at zap2it?
[07:51:09] xris: y
[07:51:18] xris: just tells me that it's not adding
[07:52:11] xris: does a select, then says "not adding channel ...."
[07:52:16] Anduin: xris: Just routine running or in the channel editor?
[07:52:29] xris: me running it
[07:52:41] xris: it wasn't downloading a new channel I activated, so I wiped channel/program tables to start over.
[07:52:45] xris: now it's not grabbing anything.
[07:53:39] Anduin: Yeah, that safe channel stuff won't actually add a channel without the --update-channels params
[07:53:54] xris: but doesn't that send data back to zap2it?
[07:54:47] Anduin: xris: Isaac fixed the bad "now subscribed to everything" part of that.
[07:54:52] xris: ahh
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[07:55:09] xris: apparently he didn't
[07:55:25] xris: --only-update-channels still enables everything. crap
[07:58:18] ivor: aaarrrgggg. for fucks sake.
[07:58:24] ivor: http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/09/25/1831241
[07:58:45] ivor: "I haven't yet installed a MythTV system, but from what I have seen, SageTV is more straightforward to install and configure."
[07:59:05] xris: blech
[07:59:12] ivor: "SageTV for Linux also benefits greatly from the maturity of the Windows version's code"
[08:00:01] Anduin: xris: Yeah, I see it, it sucks that a function called GrabFullLineup would ever change the list.
[08:00:48] xris: that's annoying
[08:01:10] xris: esp. since it takes a LONG time for me to rebuild my channel list (thankfully I had a copy of it sitting in a web window)
[08:01:48] Anduin: I've just come to not trust it and do it by hand.
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[08:02:11] Anduin: I can live with the shame that statement reveals.
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[08:04:16] xris: just odd that with a blank channel table, it won't pull in anything new.
[08:05:35] Anduin: Yeah it doesn't try to guess as to if it is intentionally deleted by you or not.
[08:06:51] sphery: Anduin: Is there some reason "121756000 – (j ? 100000 : 0)" would be better than "121756000 – (j * 100000)" in a loop where j is either 0 or 1
[08:06:58] Anduin: It actually looks like the root cause is that we can't get all the channels without that.
[08:07:20] sphery: Trying to figure out why Daniel did it the first way
[08:07:41] xris: looks like --do-channel-updates works
[08:08:25] Anduin: sphery: if j truely is so limited, no
[08:08:30] kambei: Anduin: So, the transcode is working, but it doesn't seem to be preserving the aspect ratio of the source.
[08:08:38] kambei: It is slightly distorted.
[08:10:08] sphery: xris: The reason that channels aren't added by default is because users were getting new channels, but could not tune them until a scan, so when Myth went to record from them, it made a mess (and missed recordings).
[08:10:19] sphery: Only that way for digital channels, BTW.
[08:10:34] xris: sphery: I understand. special case should be made for "no channels exist" though
[08:10:38] sphery: For analog, it automatically adds them unless you specify --remove-new-channels
[08:10:48] sphery: Yeah. That makes sense...
[08:10:56] sphery: Wouldn't be a difficult change...
[08:10:59] xris: things are going again, though
[08:11:12] xris: once I used --do and not that other one that turns on every channel in the zap2it lineup
[08:11:29] sphery: I might add that to my list of patches to make (which has recently started growing much larger)
[08:11:32] Anduin: kambei: Which profile?
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[08:14:21] kambei: Anduin: I don't know.
[08:15:20] Anduin: kambei: Just looking for "Good" "Excellent", etc
[08:15:27] kambei: Good
[08:16:48] kambei: Anduin: The profile is "Good"
[08:16:49] sphery: BTW, Anduin, thanks for the info. Didn't know if it was my lack of sleep saying the ternary just looks like more typing and if there was actually a reason it was better.
[08:18:26] Anduin: sphery: Yeah, the only reason I could justify it would be to prevent an overflow in the case of a large j
[08:19:10] sphery: would you in a for loop with j < 2 for a test?
[08:19:15] Anduin: kambei: Yeah, I'm looking to see if mtd outputs the profile id actually being used anywhere, instead, any way you could pastebin that transcode command.
[08:19:30] sphery: Guess I could just do it Daniel's way.
[08:19:37] sphery: It shouldn't matter.
[08:19:58] Anduin: Yeah, one way isn't wrong, just ugly
[08:20:10] sphery: which way is that?
[08:20:23] Anduin: ?:
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[08:20:28] sphery: OK. Just making sure.
[08:21:27] sphery: I'll be putting 20 of these in and I thought ?: was ugly, so I wanted to use multiplication
[08:21:47] sphery: But, maybe it's better to use Daniel's approach, anyway, since he'll be committing the patch.  :)
[08:21:50] Anduin: j is unsigned? (that could be another reason)
[08:22:16] sphery: for (uint j = 0; j < 2; j++)
[08:22:33] Anduin: Yeah, pointless
[08:22:37] sphery: Hmmm.
[08:22:49] Anduin: I mean, future-proofing
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[08:24:40] kambei: Anduin: There is a -g 720x480 switch, which I assume is the problem.
[08:25:55] sphery: I'm really thinking about splitting the loop into two separate blocks of code.
[08:26:39] Anduin: kambei: That isn't unusual
[08:26:46] sphery: It's the code in libs/libmythtv/frequencytables.cpp creating the HRC and IRC digital freq tables.
[08:27:43] sphery: When HRC and IRC were using approximate frequencies, they were pretty close to the same, with some relatively minor offsets that could be calculated.
[08:28:06] sphery: Now that Daniel wants to make them exact, the math is getting much more complex (and much uglier).
[08:28:32] sphery: I think I'll do it both ways (in a loop and as two blocks of code) and let Daniel pick a patch.
[08:29:06] kambei: Anduin: http://pastebin.ca/190738
[08:31:31] Anduin: kambei: so normal 4:3
[08:31:50] kambei: Anduin: But the video is some widescreen aspect ratio.
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[08:35:44] Anduin: kambei: Yeah, 4:3 letter box
[08:36:15] kambei: Anduin: So, what should I do?
[08:37:19] kambei: The video it *slightly* distorted. It still has the "letterbox" when played back, but the video is horizontally squished.
[08:38:38] Anduin: Yeah, that -j 0,8,0,8 should be removing just a tiny bit on each side, if you do it manually without that does it look normal?
[08:39:05] kambei: Anduin: Let me check.
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[08:45:48] kambei: Anduin: The letterboxing still isn't big enough.
[08:50:40] Anduin: kambei: I'll add it to my list of things to look in to (I don't actually transcode anything, just use it when people report problems)
[08:51:47] kambei: Anduin: I'm going to try a different video player and see if it renders the same results, just to make sure.
[08:52:39] Anduin: kambei: Yeah, that would save me digging around to find a non-16:9 one
[08:55:02] kambei: Anduin: It's the same with other players. Also, I played the original source video, and it plays properly.
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[08:58:07] kambei: brb
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[09:06:22] LLcoolM: hm, mythtv works now but the cpu usage is very high, even when i just watch tv
[09:07:09] LLcoolM: and this is an athlon 800MHz (clocked down athlon xp)
[09:07:21] LLcoolM: it should at least be able to watch tv properly
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[09:12:18] Anduin: LLcoolM: Other players are fine
[09:12:19] Anduin: ?
[09:13:01] ikke_: Anyone know why build fails with gcc 4.1 on ubuntu 6.10 beta?
[09:13:09] ikke_: errors on : videoout_directfb.cpp:205: error: extra qualification ‘DirectfbData::’ on member ‘DirectfbData’
[09:13:47] LLcoolM: Anduin: well not fine, but tvtime is using 60% cpu (i am not lucky with that either)
[09:13:54] Anduin: ikke_: Which version of myth?
[09:13:56] ikke_: I don't speak c++...
[09:13:59] ikke_: trunk
[09:14:09] LLcoolM: dvd is as usual
[09:14:14] ikke_: from today. same problem for a week at least
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[09:14:36] ivor: ikke_: just remove the DirectfbData:: start from line 205.
[09:15:22] ikke_: -> llot
[09:15:30] ikke_: lots of errors now
[09:17:37] ikke_: it's a function declaration, can't just remove one line, i wonder if it works without the member
[09:17:46] ikke_: if i remove it all
[09:18:00] ivor: ? I didn't say remove one line.
[09:18:10] ikke_: sorry...
[09:18:32] Anduin: ikke_: does it compile if you do it right?
[09:19:42] ikke_: it compiles now, if did #if 0 -out the whole function. don't know yet wether it works...
[09:19:58] ikke_: i'll compile and install, let's see.
[09:20:04] ivor: you don't want to remove the whole constructor!
[09:20:28] ikke_: ... that's what i thought... but what then?
[09:20:30] Anduin: ikke_: Just remove the DirectfbData:: part (resulting in just DirectfbData)
[09:20:41] ivor: just remove the DirectfbData:: part
[09:21:46] LLcoolM: Anduin: it seems to me as if it would try to capture a video (didnt tell it to do that)
[09:21:54] ikke_: ok, now compiling again, it does compile
[09:22:46] ikke_: any experience on bttv analog cards anyone?
[09:23:07] Anduin: LLcoolM: huh?
[09:23:12] ikke_: i have always used dvb. now with analog there is no enough CPU
[09:23:37] LLcoolM: Anduin: because i see those mpeg typical artefacts on analog television
[09:23:48] ikke_: the picture studders all the time. i did not have directfb on.
[09:24:08] ikke_: it plays for 2 secs, then stops for 2 secs, and this goes on.
[09:24:30] ikke_: not talking about no sound with the picture...
[09:24:41] ikke_: CPU is 1 Ghz
[09:24:52] Anduin: LLcoolM: I'm not yet on the same page.
[09:25:09] LLcoolM: Anduin: i just want it to let me watch tv
[09:27:08] LLcoolM: so how can i disable capturing? (there are no files anyway atm)
[09:27:54] LLcoolM: what is also weired is that some severe color failures occur (like blue skin)
[09:30:20] Anduin: LLcoolM: You cannot (disable capturing)
[09:30:55] Anduin: There are a few threads on the mail list about color issues as well
[09:32:52] LabMonkey: ok I have something of a problem
[09:34:08] LLcoolM: Anduin: i cant`
[09:34:14] LabMonkey: I'm trying to figure out the artist and title of a song in the Drawn Together season 2 finale
[09:34:15] LLcoolM: but how am i supposed to use mythtv then?
[09:34:26] LabMonkey: but nobody has any info worth a damn
[09:34:29] LLcoolM: i mean mythv is said to work with slower machines
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[09:38:25] kambei: Anduin: I am going to try another disc to see if it renders the same result.
[09:39:06] Anduin: LLcoolM: hardware encodings and slow machines are good friends, or try rtjpeg
[09:39:53] LLcoolM: Anduin: rtjpeg is already the default
[09:39:55] Anduin: kambei: Ok, if you still have trouble, create a ticket
[09:40:19] kambei: Anduin: Are you a Myth dev?
[09:40:21] Anduin: LLcoolM: tried reducing the quality/bitrate?
[09:41:21] Anduin: kambei: You making a list?
[09:41:40] kambei: Anduin: Of?
[09:41:41] LLcoolM: well it still seems to be too much
[09:42:35] DGnome: Hi! Any ideas on why the Internal video player can't play back audio tracks in windows media hd showcase clips?
[09:43:10] Anduin: kambei: myth devs
[09:43:24] kambei: Anduin: No sir. Just wondering.
[09:43:53] Anduin: kambei: I currently maintain the chunk you are having a problem with, yes.
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[09:54:14] kambei: Anduin: It is doing the same thing with other discs. Does it not crop the letterboxed video? It only creates a 4:3 video?
[09:57:16] Anduin: kambei: The basic disc info is used to find the profile in dvdinput, then the params are extracted from dvdtranscode for that id. 4:3/16:9 normal/letterbox should all be supported.
[09:57:45] PaulWay: Anyone had a problem with the front end where the first recording plays fine, but after you finish watching the second show it goes back to playing the first?
[09:58:01] kambei: Anduin: It seems to only be encoding the video to some sort of 4:3 aspect ratio. The black bands still exist in the transcoded video.
[09:58:03] PaulWay: And then it gets stuck looping between those two, and you have to kill the front end to get out?
[09:59:04] Anduin: kambei: Yeah, it doesn't remove them
[10:03:13] kambei: Anduin: Okay, I see the original DVD video has those bands as well, but the transcode is simply squishing the video horizontally.
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[10:03:43] kambei: Anduin: Is there a setting I'm missing somewhere?
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[10:04:43] LabMonkey: so uhh
[10:04:58] LabMonkey: any of you guys watch Drawn Together and know much of ska bands?
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[10:07:05] Anduin: kambei: If you do it manually but pass --import_asr=2 does it look ok?
[10:07:21] kambei: Anduin: Trying now.
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[10:09:28] kambei: Anduin: No, still squished.
[10:10:20] Anduin: kambei: try --export_asr=2 as well
[10:10:34] kambei: Anduin: Okay. In the transcode command, right?
[10:10:40] Anduin: kambei: Yeah
[10:11:18] Anduin: kambei: It that doesn't work, open a ticket, I'll try to reproduce it (probably tomorrow, may have to wait for the weekend)
[10:13:01] kambei: Anduin: Same result.
[10:17:43] Anduin: You don't see anything like "couldn't get aspect ratio for a title" in the mtd log?
[10:18:11] kambei: Anduin: No sir.
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[10:21:22] Anduin: kambei: Sure it isn't 16:9? (Your transcode params sure indicate 4:3, the title info should have to be wrong for it to get it wrong).
[10:22:16] kambei: Anduin: Am I sure what isn't 16:9? The source video is certainly 16:9
[10:25:51] kambei: Anduin: I suspect something else is wrong, because I am using a mencoder command and it is doing exactly the same thing.
[10:26:09] Anduin: kambei: --import_asr=3
[10:27:13] Anduin: (normally it would just autodetect, that should just force it)
[10:27:34] kambei: Okay, I'm going to try it.
[10:30:21] kambei: Anduin: It's playing back exactly the same no matter what settings I use.
[10:31:37] Anduin: kambei: I'll have to try reproducing it, feel free to open a ticket (it may act as a good reminder when tomorrow I remember nothing of this)
[10:33:28] kambei: Anduin: Okay, I will do so.
[10:33:40] kambei: Anduin: Thanks again for the help.
[10:33:43] Anduin: kambei: Thank you
[10:34:11] Anduin: If you find a solution don't hesitate to include that in the ticket as well
[10:34:44] kambei: I'm all over this.
[10:34:49] Anduin: I did a few transcode passes before 0.20 release and they worked so, well I'll look at it later.
[10:35:22] Dibblah: This is frustrating. Does anyone else see instability only when using Nvidia XVMC?
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[10:36:02] Dibblah: Works fine using the 'native' decoder. Rewind / ffwd / play cycles tend to lock the frontend.
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[11:23:17] xzcvczx: does anyone know of a plugin or seomthing which just allows you to use another computer as a remote effectively for mythfrontend?
[11:24:51] GreyFoxx: The telnet interface allows you to control a frontend, I haven't seen any gui for it those so it's a manualthing :)
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[11:27:38] xzcvczx: GreyFoxx: cheers what port is the telnet interface on again?
[11:27:54] GreyFoxx: 6546
[11:28:04] GreyFoxx: You might have to go into the frontend settings and enable it
[11:28:10] GreyFoxx: I'm not sureifit's on by default
[11:28:25] xzcvczx: awww that means getting up
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[11:29:28] GreyFoxx: heh
[11:30:30] xzcvczx: and is there any reason why when i try backing up a dvd into divx it rips the image fine but then jsut removes it and doesnt encode it or anything?
[11:31:06] GreyFoxx: I really can't say. I don't really use that stuff
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[11:31:20] robbie: hey all
[11:31:32] robbie: i have a nova-t-500 dual tuner card
[11:31:57] robbie: myth gets a bit funny sometimes when i try to schedule on multiple channels
[11:32:16] robbie: other times its ok
[11:32:40] robbie: it doesnt seem to handle multiple shows in a row on one channel and one more show on another channel
[11:32:48] robbie: even though there are 2 tuners
[11:32:55] robbie: 2 shows on 2 different channels are ok though
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[11:41:22] Juski: nova-t 500 cards work in linux now? marvellous
[11:42:30] Juski: robbie: you probably have the recordings set to end late in the scheduler. to get around that you'd need to use the 'post-roll' global recording setting – but that only allows up to 60 seconds over-recording
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[11:46:43] janneg: Juski: yes, two weeks now with the v4l-dvb development tree. drivers will be 2.6.19
[11:47:52] janneg: and I'm pretty sure you can overrecord more than 60sec with the global pre/post roll
[11:47:56] Juski: good to know :)
[11:48:25] robbie: Juski: hmm
[11:48:32] Juski: I think the post-roll used to be limited to 60 secs at one time or other, which'd be where I got that from
[11:48:48] robbie: i like to allow 10 mins as aussie tv shations dont know about clocks
[11:49:09] robbie: Juski: yeah, nova-t 500 working real nice
[11:49:21] Zider: dammit, now I really wanna know how to code.. the sensor-chip on my mobo is "almost" supported; it's basically the same as another chip that IS supported, and the datasheet is available.. all that needs doing is adapt yhe driver.. :(
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[11:51:01] Juski: 10 minutes? I heard things were laid back in Australia but that takes the biscuit
[11:51:05] robbie: Juski: so where do i find this pos-roll
[11:51:18] robbie: Juski: we have one channel that is abysmal at timing
[11:51:32] Juski: give em all dope tests ;-)
[11:51:36] robbie: heh
[11:51:38] janneg: Juski, robbie: from the source endoffset (post roll) is bounded to [-480,480]
[11:51:56] Juski: 8 minutes?
[11:52:04] janneg: yes
[11:52:07] robbie: janneg: from the source? is it hard coded ?
[11:52:27] Juski: the limits are hard-coded
[11:54:11] robbie: the silly thing is i can be recording 2 episodes of the simpsons on channel 10 that are back to back
[11:54:31] robbie: and if i try record something on channel 9, the seconds simpsons wont record
[11:54:32] Juski: hmmm.. where do the settings live again? I can never remember if they're in mythtv-setup or general tv recording settings
[11:54:35] robbie: at the same time
[11:54:48] robbie: in the frontend
[11:55:13] Juski: a useful place for them to be :)
[11:55:24] robbie: very
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[11:55:49] srm: hi there
[11:56:58] Juski: I'll start using post-roll in future then, since it gives me +/- 8 minutes. fewer conflicts :)
[11:57:08] robbie: i cant find it
[11:57:23] srm: i successfully build the mythtv-frontend on Mac OS X 10.4...using the MySQL Client-only setup....i really dont get this, it seems that i now need this backend thing...why do i need this, what is it, how do i get this? :)
[11:57:47] Juski: srm: the backend does all the recording & scheduling, transcoding...
[11:58:07] Juski: mythtv == mythfrontend & mythbackend
[11:58:08] janneg: robbie: tv settings -> general -> 4th page
[11:58:29] srm: well, i dont see why i need this to just watch...so the backend is also the part that access my tv-hardware and streams the data to the frontend?
[11:58:32] robbie: janneg: forst 2 boxes ?
[11:58:44] robbie: time to record before and past in seconds ?
[11:58:49] janneg: yes
[11:58:49] robbie: first even
[11:58:55] robbie: i already had 600 in them
[12:00:06] srm: so please, can someone give me a bit of direction what to do now? :)
[12:02:15] janneg: robbie: start/end offset is ignored for back to back recordings
[12:03:24] Juski: srm: get a backend & put your tuner hardware in it. I have no idea if you can run mythbackend on OSX or not
[12:03:39] robbie: janneg: well im not having much luck
[12:03:45] robbie: back to back recordings
[12:03:47] robbie: dual tuner
[12:04:08] robbie: schedule another recording at same time as one of the others and it drops one of the original 2
[12:06:23] Juski: robbie – how did you manage to get 600 into the post-roll – janneg just said it's limited to 480
[12:06:35] robbie: its always been able to do 600
[12:06:42] robbie: for atleast 2 years
[12:06:56] srm: Juski: ok...so i'll try to build mythtv now without --disable-backend ... this was set by default for, as it says, porting-issues
[12:07:12] robbie: srm: i doubt it will build then
[12:07:28] srm: hmm...i'll give it a try
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[12:18:07] KaZeR: how can i tell mythtv to do the transcode jobs on a slave backend instead of the master?
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[12:34:17] janneg: Juski, robbie: I mixed the individual "end late" and and global post roll up while greping in the source
[12:35:36] janneg: the global pre roll is bounded to [0,600] and the post roll to [0,1800]. up to ten minutes early and 30 minutes late
[12:36:57] janneg: the per recording start/end late is in minutes so you have [-8, 8] hours
[12:39:30] Beirdo: muhahahah
[12:39:43] Beirdo: free wireless at the Toyota dealership
[12:39:44] Beirdo: :)
[12:39:44] mcD_ho: any finnish online
[12:40:00] mcD_ho: ong yhta suamalais
[12:40:24] ikke_: mcD_ho: one here!
[12:41:38] janneg: KaZeR: transcoding is running on the host where it was recorded. if the slave backend use the same recording dir, you can change the hostname of the recording in hte DB
[12:41:51] mcD_ho: ikke: ok .. helppia
[12:41:58] ikke_: no?
[12:42:14] mcD_ho: ongelma on tuo tv_grab_..
[12:42:26] ikke_: ja mikä ongelma
[12:42:35] mcD_ho: ikke: fedoralla toimii tuo telkku.com .. muta ubuntun jaossa on viela katso.fi
[12:42:39] Beirdo: ack!
[12:42:57] Beirdo: your accents are messin up my client :)
[12:43:02] mcD_ho: ikke: katso.fi ei enaan toimi samalla tavalla..
[12:43:23] ikke_: xmltv on ubuntussa vanha, pitaa olla 44 tai 0.45
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[12:43:45] mcD_ho: ikke: hmm ... mista sorsat
[12:43:47] ikke_: mene ja lataa xmltv sorsat ja kaanna nykyiakainen.
[12:44:07] ikke_: xmltv.org
[12:44:26] Ruleke: omg I wandered into a parallel universe where mythtv-users is an orc speaking channel
[12:44:27] mcD_ho: ikke: stupid .. am I
[12:44:37] Ruleke: oh wait
[12:44:44] Beirdo: hehehe
[12:44:45] Ruleke: :)
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[12:44:52] Beirdo: finnish is orcish? :)
[12:45:02] Beirdo: kinda seems that way, doesn't it?
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[12:45:23] ikke_: orcish?
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[12:45:49] Beirdo: yeah, the language spoken by orcs :)
[12:46:10] Ruleke: I know it's finnish, just like to vary the comments to something else than "english please"
[12:46:20] Ruleke: :)
[12:46:23] Beirdo: finnish and hungarian both are like alien languages to me
[12:46:36] ikke_: mcD_ho: there are two tv_grab_fi implementations around, the official one and the one using nyt.hs.fi
[12:46:49] Ruleke: It's not one of the languages I learned :)
[12:47:17] ikke_: mcD_ho: the difference is the nyt one gets way more channels, but only for 6 days
[12:47:29] Beirdo: oh great.. they are playing a movie dubbed to Spanish. yay.
[12:47:39] robbie: maybe linus can hack up a tv_grab_fi from a terminal emulator
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[12:48:00] Beirdo: heh
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[12:49:26] ikke_: mcD_ho: nyt.fi version: http://www.matelijat.net/xmltv/tv_grab_fi
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[12:54:22] Ruleke: I used to dabble a bit with the tv_grab_be_tvb one
[12:54:46] Ruleke: now it seems there is a tv_grab_be perl one in xmltv, maybe I should submit a myth patch to convert to it
[12:55:01] Ruleke: as soon as I verify it has the same functionality ;)
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[12:56:42] KaZeR: janneg, ok thanks, nice tip :)
[12:57:01] KaZeR: ok, since it was easy, here's another question (easy too, i think ;)
[12:57:43] KaZeR: i'm trying to setup a transcode profile (by modifying the medium quality encoder) so that it crops the broadcast overscan.
[12:57:56] KaZeR: i added crop=1:1:1:1, it did nothing.
[12:58:27] KaZeR: i tried crop=640:480:16:32, didn't work better.
[12:58:58] KaZeR: am i using a wrong syntax? i got it there : http://www.a1ontheweb.co.uk:8080/mythtv-doc/mythtv-HOWTO-10.html
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[13:09:17] PaulWay: Anyone had a problem with the front end where the first recording plays fine, but after you finish watching the second show it goes back to playing the first?
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[13:10:21] kaiforce: say again? you watch two separate recordings, and after you watch the second recording, the first one starts playing?
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[13:11:55] PaulWay: Yep.
[13:12:28] PaulWay: In the verbose logs, it goes from watching prerecorded to none, and then back to watching prerecorded, in the space of about half a second.
[13:12:37] PaulWay: And I swear we're not touching a key on the keyboard.
[13:13:00] PaulWay: What's weirder is that if you exit that (second) show, it goes back to playing the first.
[13:13:12] PaulWay: And just loops until you remotely kill the front end.
[13:14:04] PaulWay: I've got an excerpt of the full debug logs at http://tangram.dnsalias.net/~paulway/mythfe_debug_full_ex.log
[13:15:22] PaulWay: I'd really appreciate any ideas about how to debug the problem further.
[13:15:33] PaulWay: I'm not expecting this is a common problem... :-/
[13:16:03] PaulWay: And it's almost certain that it's the config that's screwed up rather than the program.
[13:16:09] PaulWay: But I can't work out what config that would be.
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[13:17:43] jeffmeden: where does the mythweb system page get the disk usage info?
[13:19:05] jeffmeden: its about 10GB off on my system
[13:19:13] PaulWay: How big are your disks?
[13:19:17] jeffmeden: and i only have one disk
[13:19:21] DigerLAP: hrmm I have not used it yet but maybe from somewhere in /proc or df -h
[13:19:33] PaulWay: It may be simply the old 2^10 vs 10^3 problem.
[13:19:47] jeffmeden: no, it shows 33540MB or 34344960KB used
[13:19:59] jeffmeden: whereas df shows 24444604KB used
[13:20:16] jeffmeden: theres only two ext3 partitions, / and boot
[13:21:29] PaulWay: Hmmmm.
[13:21:42] PaulWay: Any NFS mounts?
[13:21:42] jeffmeden: im not sure if it will cause problems when the disk nears full
[13:21:44] jeffmeden: no
[13:21:59] jeffmeden: its plain simple FC4
[13:22:17] PaulWay: kaiforce: If you're looking at the log, look for the words 'watching prerecorded' and 'none'.
[13:22:29] jeffmeden: nothing fancy just enough to record/watch on one box
[13:23:30] jeffmeden: what the heck do the columns in /proc/diskstats mean
[13:23:37] PaulWay: Hmmmm. And it wouldn't be counting disk space free twice, for some reason...
[13:23:39] jeffmeden: theres like 8 of them per partition
[13:24:05] jeffmeden: this is what it shows for my main part 8 3 sda3 1387976 29763786 5934861 47478888
[13:24:11] PaulWay: Oh, probably just total IO block reads and so forth.
[13:24:15] jeffmeden: ah
[13:24:17] jeffmeden: not space
[13:24:23] PaulWay: Nah.
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[13:26:00] jeffmeden: on the subject of resource exhaustion, are there any consequences of running really close to 100% ram on a front/back system
[13:26:14] jeffmeden: it only dabbles a few MB into swap
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[13:26:45] stuarta: afternoon all
[13:26:50] Beirdo: good morning
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[13:27:01] stuarta: :)
[13:27:23] ** Beirdo sits and waits for the car to finish getting fixed **
[13:27:25] Beirdo: :)
[13:27:39] Beirdo: the dealership has better internet than we have at home, this is sad
[13:27:51] ** stuarta sits and stares at the screen. dreams of more beer. **
[13:28:12] Beirdo: mmmm, beer
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[13:28:24] Beirdo: not beer o'clock here though
[13:28:26] PaulWay: mmmm, getting my mythtv problem solved... :-/
[13:28:47] stuarta: only late lunch here.
[13:29:24] opello: not beer o'clock, but beer:30 in mere moments :)
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[13:29:56] stuarta: PaulWay: did beer help?
[13:29:59] Beirdo: beer:30 here if I were a college student
[13:30:18] stuarta: Beirdo: you allowed to get a real job yet?
[13:30:24] Beirdo: no
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[13:30:41] ** Beirdo doesn't mind TOO much yet **
[13:30:56] stuarta: oh well, there's always the housework.... (and the fireants)
[13:31:09] Beirdo: yup
[13:31:15] Beirdo: and my many coding projects :)
[13:31:33] stuarta: nice to have time to work on them.
[13:31:33] Beirdo: speaking of which... I need to find me some sort of test suite generator for C code
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[13:31:43] jeffmeden: yeah i think the freespace is pretty wrong too
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[13:32:03] Beirdo: thinking of setting up buildbot for test compiles of the bot, etc on every checkin
[13:32:52] stuarta: cruisecontrol is designed to do that (albeit for java stuff)
[13:32:56] Beirdo: be nice to have a test suite to run it through too
[13:33:05] Beirdo: no java here :)
[13:33:06] Beirdo: heh
[13:33:19] Beirdo: thinking of using buildbot.sf.net
[13:33:30] Beirdo: python-based, but I'll live
[13:33:42] stuarta: not a big fan of python myself
[13:33:45] jeffmeden: does ext3 hold off freespace by a certain percentage?
[13:33:58] Beirdo: neither am I, but trac already requires it
[13:34:05] stuarta: jeffmeden: 5% is allocated for root by default
[13:34:19] jeffmeden: oh
[13:34:21] jeffmeden: thats my problem
[13:34:31] jeffmeden: is there a way to adjust that?
[13:34:39] Beirdo: tune2fs -m 1 (I think) will set it to 1%
[13:34:41] stuarta: so a 100G drive has only 95G available
[13:34:43] Beirdo: man tune2fs
[13:34:48] jeffmeden: gotcha
[13:34:58] jeffmeden: yeah i dont think root needs 10GB all to himself
[13:35:07] Beirdo: as ext3 is just ext2 + journalling :)
[13:35:12] GreyFoxx: Beirdo: Yeah, I always do that when I format the drive
[13:35:19] Beirdo: so do I :)
[13:35:24] Beirdo: 0 or 1% max
[13:35:39] Beirdo: 5–10% is ridiculous on 100G partitions. on a 1G, sure
[13:35:51] opello: jeffmeden: df -m and mythweb (on 0.18.1) are 1mb different for me :/
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[13:36:36] jeffmeden: much better, thanks guys
[13:36:54] Beirdo: no problemo
[13:37:37] Beirdo: it's useful to have that buffer on /var/log and the mysql db dir
[13:37:52] Beirdo: but for most things, it just eats WAY too much space anymore
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[13:39:11] jeffmeden: only supporting an integer is kind of annoying
[13:39:16] Beirdo: yup
[13:39:28] jeffmeden: 1% is still 1.9GB on my partition
[13:39:51] Beirdo: you can use -m 0, but then there's no reserved space at all
[13:39:59] jeffmeden: yeah
[13:40:03] Beirdo: be nice to have -m 0.6 or something, wouldn't it?
[13:40:11] jeffmeden: sure wuold
[13:40:16] Beirdo: or be able to say reserve 500MB
[13:41:59] jeffmeden: speaking again of resources, anyone know if the 'kernel' and 'system' times reported by the system are the same set
[13:42:22] Beirdo: ooooh
[13:42:30] Beirdo: I think you can set the reserved with -r in blocks
[13:43:26] Beirdo: that should let you set it to anything you want, in filesystem block chunks (1k, I think)
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[13:49:16] Ruleke: Beirdo: correct
[13:49:27] Ruleke: been using it for ages since the disks became big :)
[13:49:42] Beirdo: I'd never looked for it in block granularity
[13:49:49] Beirdo: that solves the problem well
[13:50:17] kaiforce: Does anyone have a script to optimize the mythtv db? I had one, but lost it due to a HD crash. I think it might have come from Beirdo IIRR.
[13:50:59] Beirdo: I think it might have been from xris actually
[13:51:07] stuarta: it's in contrib
[13:51:16] kaiforce: ok thanks
[13:51:27] Beirdo: oh perfect
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[13:57:49] jeffmeden: -r huh
[13:57:56] Ruleke: hmm r300 dri seems to work..
[13:58:01] Beirdo: man tune2fs :)
[13:58:42] jeffmeden: yeah i was reading through it
[13:58:46] jeffmeden: its a long one tho
[13:58:48] stuarta: Ruleke: really? ATI proprietry or stock kernel/xorg...?
[13:58:50] Beirdo: many are :)
[13:58:52] jeffmeden: and r is at the bottom
[13:58:59] Beirdo: yup.
[13:59:12] Beirdo: f'argh
[13:59:16] Ruleke: stuarta: kernel/xorg
[13:59:18] jeffmeden: damn alphebetization
[13:59:23] Ruleke: standard debian too, pretty cool
[13:59:29] Beirdo: buildbot only has ubuntu packages for dapper and newer
[13:59:35] stuarta: Ruleke: which kernel/xork. mine still ooop's
[13:59:49] Ruleke: 2.6.17.something/7.1
[14:00:01] Ruleke: 2.6.17-rc4 even
[14:00:06] Ruleke: need to upgrade :)
[14:00:14] stuarta: I can't get >2.6.15.6 & 6.8.2 to work together.
[14:00:24] Ruleke: r300 lib is in a diff package on debian though
[14:00:28] Ruleke: so might be a mesa snap
[14:00:31] Ruleke: 1sec
[14:00:35] jeffmeden: so anyway back to memory, is there any advantage to having plentiful ram?
[14:00:38] stuarta: 2.6.18 plus 6.8.2 still oops
[14:00:40] jeffmeden: > 512MB
[14:00:43] Beirdo: I should setup Sol10 on a PC
[14:00:43] jeffmeden: for mythtv?
[14:01:31] Ruleke: libgl1-mesa-dri 6.5.1–0.1
[14:02:04] Ruleke: xserver-xorg 7.1.0–1
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[14:04:36] stuarta: hrm. have the earlier version...
[14:05:51] janneg: stuarta: I think radeon had many updates in x.org 7.0 and 7.1 especially for r300
[14:06:29] xzcvczx: sweet now have a remote on my windows box to control mythtv by hitting keys instead of typing in key enter or anything
[14:09:01] Beirdo: jeez
[14:09:08] fryfrog: jeffmeden: 512mb-1g is plenty
[14:09:15] fryfrog: jeffmeden: you could prolly get away with less
[14:09:19] Beirdo: how f'ing long does it take to replace a steering column (Prius recall)?
[14:09:30] janneg: stuarta: http://megahurts.dk/rune/r300_status.html reports problems with 9800 cards
[14:09:31] fryfrog: 128m – 256m for backend only perhaps?
[14:09:32] Ruleke: very long
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[14:09:44] Ruleke: it took days to replace the front axel in my audi
[14:10:00] Beirdo: that's different though :0
[14:10:01] Ruleke: they ordered the wrong one, it was an aluminium one and they got sent a steel one
[14:10:05] Beirdo: oh jeez
[14:10:16] Beirdo: steel would be stronger though
[14:10:20] Ruleke: meh
[14:10:32] Beirdo: a LOT stronger
[14:10:37] Beirdo: and a lot heavier too
[14:10:47] jeffmeden: is there a tool in mythtv that predicts when the system will run out of space?
[14:10:59] jeffmeden: by looking at the recording schedule
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[14:12:03] Beirdo: never heard of one
[14:12:21] jeffmeden: its one of the only admirable things my cable-co pvr does
[14:13:06] Hoxzer: is there anyway to turn off the timer in irrecord?
[14:13:07] Ruleke: just set a reasonable threshold for autoexpire
[14:13:26] Beirdo: OK, upgrading my trac vserver to dapper
[14:13:28] Beirdo: sigh
[14:14:02] Beirdo: anyone here ever seen the movie "The Babe"?
[14:14:12] Beirdo: about Babe Ruth...
[14:14:30] Beirdo: that's what's playing (in Spanish) right now
[14:14:33] fryfrog: jeffmeden: it doesn't really *need* to
[14:14:43] fryfrog: jeffmeden: when space runs low, it just deletes what ever it is allowed
[14:14:44] jeffmeden: but it would be nice to know when things will autoexpire, in advance
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[14:15:38] fryfrog: ah
[14:15:42] jeffmeden: i don't really *need* any of this stuff, i could be amish
[14:15:43] jeffmeden: :-p
[14:16:04] fryfrog: i think that the status screen gives an estimate on the time remaining at "avg" and "max" bitrate
[14:16:13] jeffmeden: right
[14:16:42] jeffmeden: it goes that far, it just needs to look at the recording schedule and say in 8 days it will have consumed the free space and expire the oldest programs
[14:16:47] jeffmeden: for example
[14:17:01] jeffmeden: i guess its only useful when you have free space
[14:17:07] Dibblah: Doesn't work for DVB.
[14:17:21] Dibblah: There's no good way to know the filesize.
[14:17:24] jeffmeden: since once it runs closed loop you know the oldest expires the next time somthing starts
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[14:18:02] fryfrog: Dibblah: it has the avg and max bit rates of *existing* shows, it can guess
[14:18:14] fryfrog: but instead of saying "in 8 days, i will delete XXX"
[14:18:34] fryfrog: maybe the better listing would be "when I *need* space, I will delete XXX then YYY then ZZZ then QQQQ
[14:19:01] Beirdo: why not make it order you more drives from newegg instead?
[14:19:02] Beirdo: :)
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[14:19:11] jeffmeden: my shows have very very predictable bitrates
[14:19:49] Ruleke: I was under the impression that there was something like an "expire when treshold reached"
[14:19:53] Ruleke: I might ahve dreamt it
[14:19:58] jeffmeden: its 1780MB/hr with only a few MB either way
[14:20:04] fryfrog: there is a lot of ways of expiring
[14:20:24] fryfrog: I have mine set to expire shows when I have only 100G of freespace left
[14:20:33] Ruleke: ah there you go
[14:20:37] Ruleke: that's what I meant
[14:20:41] jeffmeden: why 100G
[14:20:46] fryfrog: and I tell it to expire by lowest priority
[14:21:00] fryfrog: jeffmeden: cause my 1.2T array is used for things besides myth
[14:21:05] jeffmeden: oh
[14:21:06] jeffmeden: naturally
[14:21:07] jeffmeden: mine too
[14:21:10] jeffmeden: i was just asking
[14:21:12] jeffmeden: lol
[14:21:15] fryfrog: ah :)
[14:21:22] Beirdo: which is what LVM is useful for :)
[14:21:28] jeffmeden: yeah
[14:21:33] fryfrog: I want to add another 320G drive to my array :)
[14:21:35] Beirdo: carve off a pile for myth, expire at like 5G free
[14:21:41] fryfrog: i don't really *see* the point for myth :/
[14:21:41] jeffmeden: i think im not quite that dedicated to tv watching yet
[14:21:44] fryfrog: i mean lvm
[14:21:49] srm: ok, building backend on OSX exited with /usr/bin/libtool: internal link edit command failed ... anyone?
[14:21:51] jeffmeden: *yet*
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[14:22:28] Beirdo: LVM is good to let you "partition" that array in various ways that can change whenever you want
[14:22:47] Ruleke: would be nice to do it online tho :)
[14:22:55] Beirdo: and if you get really stuck, you can put in a scratch drive, transfer stuff off the raid, then enlarge
[14:23:00] fryfrog: I just let it be one big partition with different directories for various stuff
[14:23:08] Beirdo: you can resize filesystems online
[14:23:13] Ruleke: not shrink
[14:23:20] fryfrog: The kernel supports adding drives to raid5, and xfs has xfs_grow
[14:23:26] Beirdo: heh, most filesystems you can't shrink at all
[14:23:41] Ruleke: I do it at my job though ;)
[14:23:45] Ruleke: not often but still
[14:23:55] Ruleke: onlineJFS rocks :)
[14:24:33] Beirdo: heh
[14:24:49] Beirdo: anyways, I like the idea of LVM, your mileage may vary
[14:24:57] Beirdo: over RAID of course ;)
[14:25:01] Beirdo: preferrably
[14:25:09] Ruleke: yeah I like lvm too
[14:25:21] Ruleke: so much that I don't want to use vxvm on the hpux boxes :)
[14:25:37] Beirdo: my fileserver's got 4 * 300G SATA drives in HW RAID 5 with LVM on top
[14:25:42] Beirdo: veritas?
[14:25:48] Ruleke: yer
[14:25:48] Beirdo: yum, what fun
[14:26:16] fryfrog: I guess if I ever thought I'd stick *another* array in to migrate on/off of, I'd use lvm
[14:26:32] Ruleke: lvm is the defacto standard on hpux, so is vxfs
[14:26:35] fryfrog: but I've only *got* 8 sata ports and a few IDE ports and the case only has 8 HD slots
[14:28:04] stuarta: janneg: my problem is the kernel bug. guess i'll have to test with my 64bit installation and see how it goes.
[14:28:41] jeffmeden: is it strange that i set up mythtv and now spend more time watching the cacti graphs of the server than actually watching tv
[14:28:45] Beirdo: car's done, goin home
[14:29:17] srm: will try using gnu-libtool
[14:30:14] srm: haha
[14:30:52] srm: muuh...confclean and clean *wait*
[14:35:18] Ibeam: i know this isn't lirc help, but someone may have experienced the same behaviour, my Compro DVB-T300 remote control displays some odd behaviour, it always registers the button pressed previous to the current one, ie. if i press left then right, right, up – it registers left, left, right, right
[14:37:21] Ibeam: again, sorry for asking non-mythTV specific question
[14:41:15] Ruleke: I recall something like it, changing repeat delay or some sensitivity thing fixed it
[14:41:20] Ruleke: bah I forgot
[14:41:47] DigerLAP: http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_pvr150mce.html
[14:41:50] DigerLAP: are those
[14:41:53] DigerLAP: audio OUTS?
[14:43:13] Ruleke: no
[14:43:39] DigerLAP: it said "dbx-TV stereo decoder, for great TV sound."
[14:43:43] DigerLAP: so I was wondering
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[14:46:06] srm: no, wont work
[14:46:11] fryfrog: decoder, as in, input
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[14:47:31] Ibeam: Ruleke: i doubt the repeat option will work in my case since it doesn't matter how long the time between pressing the buttons (1s -1hr it still remembers the last button press)
[14:47:50] Ibeam: Ruleke: not sure how to change sensitivity
[14:48:17] fryfrog: Anyone have any suggestions on really good remotes?
[14:48:30] fryfrog: Something better than the relativly crappy ones that come with tv cards?
[14:48:49] fryfrog: Maybe something that has full control of tvs, dvd players, etc as well?
[14:48:58] Ruleke: Ibeam: not sure what it was... something in the .conf iirc
[14:49:07] fryfrog: http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_pvr150mcelp.html
[14:49:13] fryfrog: holey cow, a half height pvr150!
[14:49:18] Ibeam: Ruleke: well thanks anyway
[14:49:31] Ruleke: fryfrog: I like that universal thingy... errr damn ... logitech I think ?
[14:49:52] fryfrog: Logitech, i'll search google :)
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[14:51:03] Ruleke: fryfrog: harmony something
[14:51:24] Ruleke: I like how you can program it to do "watch dvd" with one button, and it turns on the dvd, tv and surround amp
[14:51:34] Ruleke: and/or myth stuff ;à
[14:52:10] fryfrog: Harmony?
[14:52:11] fryfrog: ah
[14:52:25] fryfrog: how do you hook the Harmony to a PC?
[14:52:30] fryfrog: just an ir reciever of any sort?
[14:52:38] Ruleke: usb
[14:52:53] Ruleke: or you just program it like a normal 'learn' remote
[14:52:57] Ruleke: mate of mine has one
[14:53:02] Ruleke: needs windows maybe, I dunno
[14:53:14] Ruleke: to program the advanced stuff you need the pc part
[14:53:23] fryfrog: ah
[14:53:30] fryfrog: http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/de . . . TENTID=11700
[14:53:40] fryfrog: pretty expensive, even the lowest end one :(
[14:53:59] Ruleke: yes that is the downside :)
[14:54:09] Ruleke: then again it was worth its money to impress me
[14:54:11] Ruleke: and my gf
[14:54:12] Ruleke: :P
[14:54:19] fryfrog: hehe
[14:54:33] Ruleke: his wife is never looking for all the remotes and buttons to press to select correct amp input etc etc
[14:54:38] fryfrog: guess i'll get the remote that came with my air2pc card working
[14:54:57] fryfrog: at least
[14:55:02] Ruleke: the media center setup scares most women and small children
[14:55:04] Ruleke: :P
[14:55:06] fryfrog: its got a few more buttons than the MCE remote :)
[14:55:08] fryfrog: ahah
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[14:55:49] Ruleke: yeah I use the hauppauge one myself
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[15:03:54] Beirdo: OK, back
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[15:07:28] Ruleke: wb Beirdo
[15:07:36] Ruleke: car fixed ? :)
[15:07:48] Beirdo: yup
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[15:08:11] Beirdo: one intermediate steering shaft replaced... recalls are wonderful as far as cost goes ;)
[15:08:16] metalac: so i think I know what the problem with my XvMC stuttering is
[15:08:41] metalac: when i run frontend I get an error saying that refresh rate is not sufficient for BOB deint to work
[15:08:44] Ruleke: Beirdo: I don't get why anyone would buy a prius though
[15:08:52] metalac: but my rate is 60hz, while minimum for bob is 50hz
[15:08:55] Beirdo: it's a nice car
[15:08:58] metalac: anyone have an idea what might be it?
[15:09:03] Beirdo: have you SEEN the gas prices lately?
[15:09:07] Ruleke: yes
[15:09:12] Beirdo: right
[15:09:15] Beirdo: that's why
[15:09:26] Beirdo: and it's actually fun to drive, and frigging quiet too
[15:09:28] Ruleke: I'd get one that has better mileage :P
[15:09:34] Beirdo: good luck
[15:09:38] fryfrog: It is a shame the Prius is not so nice lookin!
[15:09:46] Beirdo: the Prius averages 50+ MPG in city traffic
[15:09:49] metalac: fryfrog damn shame
[15:09:52] Ruleke: you in the US or something ?
[15:09:53] fryfrog: and the stupid honda civic is technically inferrior but what, like 10k cheaper?
[15:09:57] Beirdo: yeah, it's a bit ugly, that is for sure
[15:10:17] metalac: prius is definitely too expensive for what you get
[15:10:19] fryfrog: Prius tech, rule! Prius looks... wtf? :p
[15:10:25] metalac: and not very versitale
[15:10:30] Beirdo: aye, I agree with fryfrog
[15:10:31] metalac: it's for people with multiple cars
[15:10:34] Beirdo: huh?
[15:10:38] Ruleke: everyone here drives diesel tbh
[15:10:39] Beirdo: why not versatile?
[15:10:50] metalac: Beirdo: try it in snow ;)
[15:10:56] Beirdo: hah
[15:10:58] Ruleke: I think diesel cars are about 60 percent of all cars here
[15:11:05] Ruleke: read some report recently
[15:11:06] Beirdo: if it snows here in Puerto Rico, I will
[15:11:07] fryfrog: course, the $5–10k more you pay would have covered the cost of gas in a small, but non-hybrid :/
[15:11:14] tank-man: i see a lot of prius taxis here in vancouver
[15:11:33] Beirdo: and it's heavy enough I'd expect no problems in snow
[15:11:33] Ruleke: small diesel gets much better mileage
[15:11:38] fryfrog: I think I read about a Prius taxi with 200k miles on it
[15:11:45] fryfrog: battaries still doing fine!
[15:11:51] Beirdo: nice
[15:12:03] Beirdo: diesel is pollution++
[15:12:05] fryfrog: They should make a diesel hybrid prius then!
[15:12:11] metalac: wait for hydrogen car and screw this hybrid crap
[15:12:15] fryfrog: actually diesel is less poluting than gas
[15:12:17] Ruleke: nah that's not true
[15:12:20] Ruleke: indeed
[15:12:21] Beirdo: keep waiting forever then, metalac
[15:12:42] metalac: Beirdo: there are concept cars out there, and honda has a few of them in cali, include 2–3 gas stations
[15:13:12] Beirdo: yeah, but they won't ever take off until the oil company cartel runs out of lobbying power
[15:13:23] Beirdo: and that's not likely to be any time soon
[15:13:35] fryfrog: at least the hydrogen *infrastructure* is already in place :)
[15:13:39] fryfrog: well, NG that is
[15:14:20] metalac: Beirdo: military is getting screwed at the pump, I work for Boeing and they're already looking into bio fuels and what not
[15:14:24] Beirdo: anyways, until hydrogen cars are readily available, hybrid's about as good as you'll get
[15:14:38] Ruleke: but not the prius
[15:14:41] Beirdo: bio fuels shoulda been done years ago, the technology is there
[15:14:52] Beirdo: heh, whatever, Ruleke
[15:15:02] Ruleke: whatever indeed
[15:15:03] metalac: i mean couldn't they make a 4 wheel drive sedan
[15:15:14] stuarta: they run Alcool in Brazil & that's made from sugar cane
[15:15:34] tank-man: us has tarrifs on sugar cane i think
[15:15:50] metalac: tank-man: no, us makes TONS of sugar cane
[15:16:03] Beirdo: I like Honda's hybrid better, but hey... my sister-in-law works for Toyota... can't beat the price
[15:16:29] Beirdo: and still, 55–60MPG in city traffic
[15:16:43] Beirdo: as measured by the car
[15:16:56] tank-man: how much is that in L/100km ? :)
[15:17:09] Ruleke: 60 is 4.3
[15:17:10] Ruleke: iirc
[15:17:12] Beirdo: I ain't gonna calculate it right now :)
[15:17:15] Beirdo: heh
[15:17:18] tank-man: omg, wow
[15:17:32] Ruleke: any small diesel will be around 5 for city
[15:17:37] Ruleke: but whatever
[15:17:38] Beirdo: and $25US to fill the tank
[15:18:06] Beirdo: which we need to do like once every 10–12 days, and my wife drives it to work every day (except today)
[15:18:33] Beirdo: the quietness is SO nice though, that's what really gets me ;)
[15:19:16] Ruleke: There's been a lot of critisism about the prius being exempt from the london congestion tax as it uses more gas than a diesel car of the same size
[15:19:47] Beirdo: I'm hoping that once I can get a job (stupid immigration!), I might buy my brother-in-law's Accord V6, but it does like 30MPG highway, 20MPG city (if I recall from my old one correctly)
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[15:20:47] Ruleke: anyway I don't care that much, going to drive my company car home now :)
[15:20:54] Beirdo: heh :)
[15:21:02] Beirdo: that's the spirit
[15:21:05] Ruleke: yeah
[15:21:09] Ruleke: as long as gas is free
[15:21:18] Ruleke: well part of the wage anyway
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[15:22:16] gr8nash2: anyone know how to recover a nick that is "in use" .. i have it registered..but no idea what command to force it to come home
[15:22:32] Beirdo: use /msg nickserv recover nick password
[15:22:51] Beirdo: and they get rudely dumped :)
[15:23:40] Ruleke: hehe same problem here with the added problem of havign forgot the passwd :)
[15:23:46] Beirdo: eeek
[15:23:51] Beirdo: that will make it tougher :)
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[15:24:19] metalac: so anyone knows what my xvmc problem might be?
[15:24:22] gr8nash: Beirdo, sweet thanks!
[15:24:26] gr8nash: good to see you again btw
[15:24:27] Beirdo: no prob
[15:24:48] Beirdo: :)
[15:25:05] Beirdo: I wanna kill this computer
[15:25:07] gr8nash: Beirdo, where are you currently hanging your hat now adays?
[15:25:14] Beirdo: Dorado, PR
[15:25:28] gr8nash: Beirdo, highspeed internet?
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[15:25:48] Beirdo: heh, whenever it's working right, yes
[15:25:57] Beirdo: the cable provider here sucks large
[15:26:54] gr8nash: sounds like in america
[15:27:10] Beirdo: worse
[15:27:11] gr8nash: my cable provider went down every hour yesterday
[15:27:16] Beirdo: OMG
[15:27:19] Beirdo: OK, not worse
[15:27:19] Beirdo: :)
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[15:27:41] Beirdo: and PRTC told us it will be a year before there's DSL in this neighborhood
[15:27:55] Beirdo: so I'm stuck with Liberty Cablevision, and I hate em
[15:28:12] gr8nash: well the new house i buildt cant get cable.. or dsl.. or T1 .. or ISDN
[15:28:19] gr8nash: Dialup or satalite =(
[15:28:26] gr8nash: are my only to choices
[15:28:26] Beirdo: heh
[15:28:38] Beirdo: Sprint mobile...
[15:28:41] gr8nash: s/to/two/ even
[15:28:59] gr8nash: ohh yeah and verison EVDO or fiber
[15:29:07] gr8nash: i mean NO evdo or fiber
[15:29:20] Beirdo: it's about $80/month for sprint unlimited EVDO, I thikn
[15:29:30] Beirdo: you don't have coverage?
[15:29:32] Beirdo: hehe
[15:29:41] metalac: anyone knows why bob deint. would complain about to low of a refresh rate? i tried it on both 60hz and 75hz
[15:29:46] Beirdo: we suck, should check stuff like that before moving
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[15:34:04] Ediehow: sabrent tv tuner work with linux?
[15:34:06] Ediehow: and myth?
[15:34:12] Ediehow: and does it have encoding and decoding through hardware?
[15:34:39] Ediehow: wondering if worth getting over pvr 150mce
[15:34:55] gr8nash: Beirdo, yeah i agree. but i love living on land.. and owning a house again.. so i probley still would have moved
[15:35:14] ** gr8nash will just surf porn at work instead.. **
[15:35:17] gr8nash: j/k
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[15:38:09] Beirdo: heh
[15:38:18] Beirdo: well, I need internet at home to keep my sanity
[15:38:47] Beirdo: what little of it I have
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[15:39:27] Beirdo: subversion-tools: As of Debian subversion 1.2.3dfsg1–1, /usr/lib/subversion
[15:39:29] Beirdo: subversion-tools: will be a link to /usr/share/subversion.
[15:39:29] Beirdo: eek
[15:39:31] Beirdo: dammit!
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[15:44:19] metalac: so what causes prebuffering paus?
[15:44:20] metalac: pause
[15:45:21] fryfrog: my guesses would be cpu speed, video card speed and miss-configuration?
[15:45:23] fryfrog: perhaps?
[15:46:44] KaZeR: anyone can help with a crop filter on transcode profiles that doesn't crop?
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[15:47:05] metalac: fryfrog: ahahaha well that described just about EVERYTHING :)
[15:52:41] fryfrog: yeah, useful huh?
[15:54:18] KaZeR: fryfrog, i think you forgot the speed and direction of wind. VERY important here in france :)
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[15:55:38] stuarta: and the quality of tea used to make the cuppa here in UK
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[15:57:36] Beirdo: and how many Goon Shows you've listened to recently
[15:59:36] Beirdo: speaking of which...
[15:59:51] ** Beirdo processes the capture from BBC7 **
[16:01:00] mishehu: bah.
[16:01:17] ** stuarta wonders if a chicken would help **
[16:01:35] mishehu: one of these days I need to get that firewire working again so I can record off of the motorola's firewire port
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[16:01:40] mishehu: stuarta: boc boc boc?
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[16:02:28] stuarta: with the prebuffering pauses, but if saying "boc boc boc" helps, then feel free...
[16:02:48] Merlin83b: So, erm, if I transcode a recording it ends up as a nuv with a DivX inside it, how might I turn that into a plain DivX that various media players would find friendlier?
[16:02:56] mishehu: stuarta: well you suggested a chicken, so I was only helping
[16:03:23] Beirdo: maybe sacrifice a shaved goat?
[16:03:37] stuarta: Merlin83b: does renaming it help?
[16:03:41] DigerLAP: why shaved
[16:03:41] DigerLAP: :P
[16:03:44] Beirdo: why not?
[16:03:48] Merlin83b: stuarta: Nope, this is after renaming to .mpg
[16:03:56] mishehu: Beirdo: that usually works better, indeed.
[16:04:07] Merlin83b: nuv containing DivX is my guess at the problem...
[16:04:09] stuarta: isn't divx's standard extension .dvi or similar?
[16:04:15] mishehu: especially if you're a part of PAGAN... People Against Niceness And Normalcy
[16:04:28] Beirdo: Merlin83b, you can TRY using nuv2avi to pull it out of the nuv container
[16:04:34] stuarta: that's PANAN!
[16:04:37] Merlin83b: That's a mighty fine point, stuarta. I'd expect media players to cope but will try.
[16:04:40] Beirdo: won't guarantee it will work
[16:04:45] Merlin83b: Beirdo: Why TRY, is...
[16:04:45] mishehu: err
[16:04:46] Merlin83b: Oh.
[16:04:48] mishehu: what was PAGAN
[16:04:50] mishehu: oh
[16:04:59] Merlin83b: I tried nuvexport but I don't want to do any transcoding, that's already taken care of.
[16:05:00] Beirdo: I seriously need to fix that puppy again
[16:05:02] mishehu: People Against Goodness And Normalcy
[16:05:14] Beirdo: too many things to do, never enough time
[16:05:14] ** mishehu needs to wake up still **
[16:05:29] mishehu: Beirdo: if only there were 100 hours in a day...
[16:05:34] stuarta: Merlin83b: i'm workingon the theory that windoze software is dumb until proven otherwise.
[16:05:36] mishehu: we could be on metric time...
[16:05:49] Beirdo: heh, then my wife would use 80 of em for household chores
[16:05:51] Merlin83b: stuarta: Yep, getting user to try it now.
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[16:07:37] metalac: well i just bought a 3400+ Amd64
[16:07:43] metalac: hopefully that will fix my HD issues
[16:07:53] mishehu: Beirdo: you mean 80 of them trying to get you to do the chores
[16:07:56] mishehu: I know how that is.
[16:08:26] Beirdo: yeah, that's what I meant :)
[16:08:48] Beirdo: OK, there's another Goon Show archived
[16:09:06] Merlin83b: Failed with the file extension change.
[16:09:14] Beirdo: just had to trim the pre- and post-roll, make mono, recode MP3
[16:09:14] Beirdo: heh
[16:09:59] Merlin83b: Where would I get this nuv2avi from, Beirdo?
[16:10:32] Merlin83b: I transcoded it, it ended up about the right size but I do think it gained something as normal stuff won't play it :(
[16:10:40] Merlin83b: nuvexport knows it's already a DivX.
[16:11:18] DigerLAP: gr8nash check this : http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t= . . . d61c69e38dcd
[16:11:23] DigerLAP: whatcha think
[16:11:28] DigerLAP: should I do that
[16:11:31] Beirdo: http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/nuvtools/
[16:11:46] Beirdo: I believe is the correct URL, let me know if it doesn't work
[16:12:02] stuarta: Merlin83b: alternatively run it through ffmpeg.
[16:12:19] Merlin83b: stuarta: nuv2avi looks easier to use :)
[16:12:29] Beirdo: if it works, it should work well
[16:12:33] Beirdo: in theory :)
[16:13:08] Beirdo: as long as you have x86 (not 64-bit), you can just grab the older version which actually works better functionally, and compile
[16:13:28] Merlin83b: Heh, yeah on x86
[16:13:33] Beirdo: the newer version (and SVN version) are currently a bit screwy
[16:13:57] Merlin83b: I'll stick to 0.0.2 then :)
[16:14:10] Beirdo: give it a shot, see if the output is usable :)
[16:14:20] Merlin83b: Will let you know either way :)
[16:15:21] Beirdo: OK :)
[16:15:47] Beirdo: I hate my cordless phone today, keeps losing the base (which is like 3m away)
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[16:16:18] ** Merlin83b waits for it to build **
[16:16:49] Beirdo: there's one compile error some people were getting with one header file, easy to fix, but I don't recall the details at the moment
[16:16:58] stuarta: i'm a bit slow. Latest top500 supercomputer list has been out since June!
[16:18:05] Merlin83b: Lots of warnings and no errors so far.
[16:18:48] Beirdo: goood.
[16:18:59] Beirdo: the ffmpeg part throws plenty of stupid warnings
[16:19:15] Merlin83b: motion_est chucking a lot at the moment.
[16:19:29] Beirdo: it uses the libavformat and libavcodec to make the AVI file, although no reencoding of the video is done
[16:19:42] Merlin83b: That's fine, I don't want it to reencode :)
[16:19:46] Beirdo: :)
[16:20:02] Merlin83b: If it all works dreamily I'll probably set it up as a user job that I can run from the interface.
[16:20:11] Beirdo: cool
[16:20:25] Beirdo: the biggest potential issues are output sync
[16:20:34] Merlin83b: That old chestnut.
[16:20:42] Beirdo: oh, and don't try feeding it rtjpeg, it will explode nicely :)
[16:20:46] Merlin83b: Watching nonsync videos is a pain.
[16:20:54] Merlin83b: rtjpeg? What's that?  ;)
[16:21:11] Merlin83b: At least it'll explode nicely, better than some stuff!
[16:21:12] Pryon: If I cut commercials using the mythtv editing interface, I often find that audio sync issues are correctable only using ProjectX, and then only most of the time. Is this to be expected or am I doing something wrong or have something misconfigured?
[16:21:31] Beirdo: OMG am I ever starving
[16:21:59] Beirdo: nice, 41 Goon Shows and counting :)
[16:22:00] Beirdo: heh
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[16:27:24] Merlin83b: Beirdo: Complains about no lame.h – do I need lame installed?
[16:29:13] Ibeam: is there any documentation about controlling an external satellite box using RS-232?
[16:29:23] Ibeam: is that even possible?
[16:29:49] Ibeam: I'm failing to find anything directly relevant at lirc.org
[16:30:38] Juski: Ibeam: if you use RS232, then it's RS232 control, not lirc
[16:31:12] Juski: search the mythtv wikiwikiwahwah
[16:31:25] ** Ibeam nods, thankies **
[16:31:56] ** scopeuk consideres hes jsut been brain washed by a sun corperate evangalist **
[16:31:59] Beirdo: yeah, sorry, you need lame-dev or equivalent)
[16:32:07] Juski: stuarta: I got the badge ordering thingythang
[16:32:18] Juski: (expo badgen)
[16:33:19] GreyFoxx: Well, got my hands on a M1000 to play with, I'm interested in seeing the Video out quality
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[16:34:13] Juski: video out quality passes my wife's standards and is better than a lot of cheap DVD players' RGB outputs, but then I'm picky picky picky ;-)
[16:34:31] GreyFoxx: Juski: Does VIA put out the accelerated drivers or should I be looking for something else ?
[16:34:38] GreyFoxx: I'm just installing an OS on it now
[16:34:49] Beirdo: oooh, game one... Ottawa Senators vs Toronto Maple Leafs... :)
[16:35:49] Juski: GreyFoxx: openchrome
[16:36:01] GreyFoxx: k
[16:36:33] Juski: for NTSC you wanna be using 720x480NoScale or 720x480Over IIRC
[16:36:47] GreyFoxx: thx
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[16:41:06] GreyFoxx: Hrm, guess I gotta grab the xorg source to compile this as well? Or will just having the includes and libs suffice ?
[16:41:59] GreyFoxx: I suppose I'll find out when the distro is done installing :)
[16:43:18] GreyFoxx: Juski: You use xvmc with it for regular playback ?
[16:44:00] Juski: GreyFoxx: yeah.. works really well with about 15% CPU usage playing back 720x576 mpeg2 :)
[16:44:09] GreyFoxx: okie
[16:44:20] Juski: proper xvmc.. none of that nvidia half-baked rubbish
[16:44:25] ivor: lol
[16:44:27] GreyFoxx: heh
[16:44:47] Juski: pity about the opengl though
[16:45:00] ivor: just need someone to spend time on it.
[16:45:30] GreyFoxx: What kernel version are you using with it ?
[16:45:41] Juski: I'd love to be able to do that ivor, but if I was the kind of guy who could I wouldn't be moaning about how shitty my dayjob is ;)
[16:46:03] ivor: GreyFoxx: 2.6.16.19 here. :)
[16:46:10] Juski: GreyFoxx: erm.. 2.6.15 I think. I'm SO spoon-fed with minimyth it's incredible
[16:46:24] GreyFoxx: k
[16:46:26] GreyFoxx: hehe
[16:46:49] Juski: installing it goes like this... download, untar, copy a few files.. done
[16:47:06] GreyFoxx: Juski: Nice, precompile myth on there I assume?
[16:47:22] Juski: yeah.. and mythstream works, which baffles me
[16:47:47] Juski: Pablo could make a lot of friends telling people how he manages that
[16:47:50] GreyFoxx: Yeah? Might be worth seeing what patches they are applying :)
[16:48:06] GreyFoxx: Do they release the build/source stuff? OR just the binary ?
[16:48:19] Juski: you can download all the source for everything.. that'd be GAR-minimyth (uses the GAR build system)
[16:49:19] Juski: if you ever get it to build on anything other than FC let me know how you hacked it
[16:49:25] GreyFoxx: hrm, maybe I'll scrap this since it hasn't even finished installing yet and pop on the latest minimyth
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[16:49:56] Juski: when I first got it, I'd just finished installing a stage3 gentoo when I gave up & tried minimyth
[16:51:01] Juski: the point of giving up was patching X to work with unichrome (as it was then)
[16:51:27] Juski: I know when I'm in over my head :-P
[16:51:47] GreyFoxx: heh
[16:52:10] Juski: right.. g2g.. bbl
[16:52:22] GreyFoxx: hrm, I was gonna install to the local drive but I think for the moment I'm gonna nfs boot it
[16:52:28] GreyFoxx: later
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[16:53:19] cipher_nemo: I'm having problems launching the backedn --> http://rafb.net/paste/results/t2sQiV26.html
[16:53:26] cipher_nemo: backend*
[16:55:36] cipher_nemo: but these commands record channel 4 on my PVR-500 just fine:
[16:55:36] cipher_nemo: #sudo cat /dev/video0 > /tmp/test.mpg
[16:55:36] cipher_nemo: #mplayer -vo xv /tmp/test.mpg
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[17:00:57] RaYmAn-Bx: cipher_nemo: definitely more than one problem...sure it's not already running or that your box has something else running on port 6543? The other problem might well be a setup issue
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[17:01:42] cipher_nemo: RaYmAn-Bx: it might already be running since it's supposed to run on launch, but MythTV is acting strangely
[17:01:54] cipher_nemo: RaYmAn-Bx: lemme check
[17:02:08] Henkie: hi, i am seeing a lot of "prebuffer pause" when playing on a non-local frontend, but the network traffic doesnt seem to max-out (iptraf)
[17:02:20] RaYmAn-Bx: cipher_nemo: the log output might be completely wrong if it's already running
[17:02:35] cipher_nemo: RaYmAn-Bx: what's a good command to tell when a process first executed?
[17:02:57] Beirdo: ah, HELL. I have to cut the grass today?!
[17:03:23] Beirdo: sometimes having a big yard is a royal PITA
[17:03:27] RaYmAn-Bx: cipher_nemo: just killall mythbackend and try starting it again manually:)
[17:03:35] cipher_nemo: RaYmAn-Bx: sounds good...
[17:03:35] RaYmAn-Bx: preferably with all frontends killed as well
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[17:07:12] cipher_nemo: RaYmAn-Bx: I pkilled mythbackend and relaunched it... I now get these messages: http://rafb.net/paste/results/zrf5lP73.htmlht . . . rf5lP73.html ...is that normal?
[17:07:38] seth|laptop: Juski, I love this "mythtv intro" .mpg What would that be considered as a HD recording or an SD recording?
[17:07:42] cipher_nemo: Zap2It defined, but not attached?
[17:08:02] cipher_nemo: inputs for capture card too
[17:08:06] cipher_nemo: are hosed
[17:08:07] scopeuk: Beirdo big lawn mower
[17:08:13] scopeuk: we got onewit han 18 inch blade
[17:08:30] Beirdo: borrowing the inlaws'
[17:08:49] Beirdo: it's a 20" or 22" blade push mower
[17:08:50] seth|laptop: Bierdo, you need a robomower
[17:09:00] Beirdo: but I have to weed-whack the place first
[17:09:10] Beirdo: grass grows FAR too fast in the Caribbean
[17:09:11] RaYmAn-Bx: cipher_nemo: as you say yourself, it's not normal..you need to run mythtv-setup again and check that everything is correct
[17:09:19] Beirdo: and the stuff grows all year too
[17:09:44] Beirdo: but I guess I'd better move my arse, go get the machines
[17:09:59] cipher_nemo: RaYmAn-Bx: ok, I'll try that... on this note, I have a PVR-500 which is essentially two PVR-150s in one card, correct? I set up tuner0 and tuner1 in my setup... anything else I need to do with it?
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[17:10:57] RaYmAn-Bx: cipher_nemo: shouldn't be. At least, I can't remember having to setup anything special when I got mine..make sure it uses the correct tunernames (names change a bit between ivtv versions)
[17:11:02] ** cipher_nemo wonders is copying over user home directories from my user to mythv doesn't copy mythtv settings **
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[17:11:24] fryfrog: maybe cause of the name of mythtv folder being ".mythtgv" and hidden
[17:11:32] cipher_nemo: RaYmAn-Bx: running ivtv 0.4.7 if I remember correctly
[17:11:37] cipher_nemo: RaYmAn-Bx:
[17:11:39] cipher_nemo: oops
[17:11:43] cipher_nemo: RaYmAn-Bx: I'll run the setpu now
[17:12:44] Juski: seth|laptop: which mythtv intro? it'd prolly only be PAL or NTSC depending on which file you're talking about
[17:13:00] GreyFoxx: Juski: Do you netboot your M10000 ?
[17:13:11] Juski: there are DVD intro videos and 'an introduction to mythtv' video
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[17:13:15] Juski: GreyFoxx: yeh
[17:13:19] seth|laptop: LWmythpromo Juski
[17:13:30] Juski: seth|laptop: 720x576i, PAL
[17:13:38] cipher_nemo: RaYmAn-Bx: if I run the backend and frontend on the same PC, I can use localhost for host name instead of my internal IP, correct?
[17:13:49] seth|laptop: what was the link again?
[17:13:59] Juski: captured on my leadtek pvr2000.. a bit fuzzy
[17:14:07] GreyFoxx: Juski: I wonder if I'm being blind. I turned on boot from LAN in the bios, but I don't see any bootp/dhcp requests from the machine
[17:14:16] Juski: seth|laptop: www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/videos/
[17:14:31] RaYmAn-Bx: cipher_nemo: I'd imagine so..you'd get a different error if that was the issue anyways..just keep in mind that if you run any other frontends or mythweb on a different machine, it'll need to know to contact the right ip
[17:14:36] seth|laptop: thanks
[17:14:54] Juski: GreyFoxx: oops. I think it might be worth downloading a M10k manual from the Via site
[17:15:09] Juski: I think you have to enable the PXE boot ROM too
[17:15:16] cipher_nemo: RaYmAn-Bx: I'd never do that... but I assume by that logic, I could put in my IP for the backend setup and localhost for my frontend
[17:15:24] GreyFoxx: hmmm, ok
[17:15:29] RaYmAn-Bx: cipher_nemo: er..that also seems to be a horrificly old version of mythtv btw
[17:17:07] cipher_nemo: RaYmAn-Bx: running 0.18, not 0.19
[17:17:20] RaYmAn-Bx: cipher_nemo: exactly..0.20 is the current version.
[17:17:27] cipher_nemo: RaYmAn-Bx: so I wouldn't have to build the 0.19 or 0.20
[17:17:44] GreyFoxx: Weird. It worked this time.
[17:17:50] cipher_nemo: RaYmAn-Bx: nothing wrong with it... stable, correct? just not as many tweaks or features?
[17:18:02] cipher_nemo: relatively stable that is?
[17:18:15] RaYmAn-Bx: cipher_nemo: in any case, the device/tuner/default channel is probably wrong in mythtv-setup
[17:18:20] RaYmAn-Bx: or channel setup
[17:19:18] cipher_nemo: I'm getting there... I have to relaunch the front end to change to full screen... am in windowed mode with 1280x1024, but some buttons off screen due to gnome's task bar, etc.
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[17:42:06] Juski: GreyFoxx: yeah there's the boot option (i.e. boot device) & also an option to enabled the boot rom.. see page 47 of the manual :)
[17:42:34] GreyFoxx: yeah, just setting up the minimyth nfs image now
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[17:48:45] Juski: hmmm I keep reading different opinions on whether or not 0.20 is 'ready' yet. think I might have a look at the current tickets to see how lucky I might be
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[17:50:18] GreyFoxx: Most complainers are upset because the protcol version changed in -fixes and they are running difference versions of 0.20-fixes
[17:50:32] GreyFoxx: run the same version everywhere and everything is happy
[17:51:42] Juski: yeah from what I've seen of open tickets so far I doubt I'd have any grievances
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[17:53:37] Juski: oops my dvb radio export ticket still needs my attention. I might do that tonight/tomorrow instead of upgrading. I've waited this long & another week or 2 will make little difference
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[17:54:23] mwtb: The problem I'm having is working out which revision the ATrpms packages was built from so I can duplicate it on my Ubuntu frontend.
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[17:55:04] Juski: mwtb: mythfrontend --version
[17:55:21] mwtb: Source code version: Unknown
[17:55:41] cipher_nemo: Problems launching MythTV after configuring it for my PVR-500: http://rafb.net/paste/results/BlXJ8H64.html
[17:55:57] Juski: mwtb: ouch!
[17:56:30] thespore: Anyone know if there's a irc channel somewhere for mvpmc support?
[17:56:47] mwtb: Juski: Useful, isn't it?
[17:56:57] Juski: cipher_nemo: you'll see more relevant info in the mythbackend output tbh
[17:57:28] cipher_nemo: Juski: will do
[17:58:32] mwtb: I suppose I may as well just grab the latest from the fixes branch and try it.
[17:59:13] Juski: mwtb: the main things to watch out for aren't necessarily version numbers but protocol version & db schema version. I've managed to get away with mixing 0.19-fixes versions in the past, and it's likely 'ok' (ish) to do that if the protocol versions are the same (and db schema versions)
[17:59:19] Juski: but I never said that ^^^^
[17:59:40] Juski: in other words.. you _can_ but it's not advised
[17:59:50] Juski: and not officially supported
[18:00:30] mwtb: Juski: I already have a build of 0.20 from the release source packages. They don't don't match the protocol in the ATrpms packages. It looks like Axel built from the fixes branch,
[18:00:52] Juski: -fixes would be better to go with anyway, in all probability
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[18:01:31] Juski: from now on I'll be building from source.. I can't abide what some packagers do with their install scripts
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[18:04:04] Honk^gone: that's why gentoo is so great ;)
[18:04:07] ** Honk^gone hides **
[18:04:38] Juski: whatever..
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[18:06:16] cipher_nemo: MythTV is locking-up my system completely (with a blank screen) when attempting to view LiveTV. I've just installed and configured it... can anyone help?
[18:06:26] GreyFoxx: cool, looks like I just need to make a minimyth config file now
[18:06:54] Juski: cipher_nemo: you're not one of them XGL-loving kids are ya? cos mythtv doesn't like XGL
[18:07:37] cipher_nemo: Juski: I have no idea what that means... using ubuntu dapper, MythTV 0.18 and trying to configure it with Snap2It
[18:07:45] cipher_nemo: using a PVR-500
[18:07:54] fryfrog: krikey, .18???
[18:08:06] cipher_nemo: that captures video from default channel 4 np, and plays it back in mplayer np
[18:08:12] fryfrog: I might consider 0.19 or 0.20
[18:08:31] fryfrog: are your ivtv drivers decent?
[18:08:39] cipher_nemo: fryfrog: yes, 0.18... until someone in this community decides to make binaries for 0.19, 0.20, I'm using 0.18
[18:08:40] Juski: cipher_nemo: are your VGA card drivers decent?
[18:08:45] cipher_nemo: ivti 0.4.7
[18:08:59] fryfrog: I've seen binarys for 0.19 and 0.20?
[18:09:09] fryfrog: you maybe are using some weird distro?
[18:09:16] cipher_nemo: ubuntu
[18:09:21] Juski: cipher_nemo: dapper had 0.19 packages for ages... and now it has 0.20 packages too... google is your friend
[18:09:27] cipher_nemo: not really weird, but not rpm
[18:09:41] fryfrog: deb > rpm anyway :)
[18:09:48] Juski: not 'official', for sure (though edgy has 0.20 debs)
[18:09:55] cipher_nemo: Juski: this is besides the point anyways, I'm just trying to get it to work first
[18:10:10] fryfrog: could *very well* be a problem in that version
[18:10:19] fryfrog: i mean, the pvr500 was brand new then, no?
[18:10:42] cipher_nemo: not really... plenty of guides out there for running 0.18 in ubuntu with PVR150–500
[18:10:49] fryfrog: ah
[18:10:55] cipher_nemo: PVR500 is really just two PVR150s put together on the same card
[18:11:24] cipher_nemo: my backend and frontend run without any errors
[18:11:29] fryfrog: good luck finding someone who is still running 0.18 and can help yoU :)
[18:11:39] cipher_nemo: my setup looks good so far... but LiveTV crashes
[18:11:40] opello: i'm running 0.18.1 :p
[18:11:49] fryfrog: CRAZY BASTARDS!
[18:11:50] fryfrog: ;0
[18:11:52] kormoc: cipher_nemo, snap2it? it's it zap2it?
[18:11:55] opello: if it ain't broke ...
[18:12:08] kormoc: upgrade it so it breaks!
[18:12:12] opello: yes :)
[18:12:17] cipher_nemo: no major troubleshooting difference between 0.18 and 0.20
[18:13:43] cipher_nemo: anyone want to help me with it? or do you just want to berate me for specifics?
[18:13:58] mwtb: cipher_nemo: I also get "hangs" (actually, it is normally escape-able) when trying to watch live TV on my Ubuntu frontend. I had assumed it was because it is trying to do it over the network, but perhaps it is a general problem.
[18:14:59] cipher_nemo: mwtb: I can't break the hang with ESC or anything... I evne tried window mode and I can't even get back to my O/S... it literally freezes the system
[18:15:06] Juski: cipher_nemo: well, if the card passes the mplayer test on both halves you can rule that out
[18:15:07] fryfrog: if i get a blank black screen, i can usually alt-tab to the console and ctrl-c
[18:15:31] fryfrog: does ctrl-alt-f1 get you to a real console?
[18:15:49] Juski: cipher_nemo: something for you to try... schedule a recording on one of the tuners.. if that works & you can play it back, it'll be a code problem
[18:15:59] cipher_nemo: Juski: I did #sudo cat /dev/video0 > /tmp/test.mpg with np
[18:16:20] cipher_nemo: Juski: played back with #mplayer -vo xv /tmp/test.mpg np on my local channel 4
[18:16:34] cipher_nemo: from* rather, recording of channel 4
[18:16:44] Juski: cipher_nemo: no, schedule a recording in mythtv & try to play it back
[18:16:49] cipher_nemo: so I know the hardware works
[18:16:58] cipher_nemo: Juski: ok
[18:17:18] Juski: and check mythbackend's logs – or better still run mythbackend in a terminal as opposed to as a daemon, then open mythfrontend & try it that way
[18:17:49] Juski: I always run mythbackend in a terminal on a new install just to be sure
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[18:20:37] cipher_nemo: Juski: when I go to program guide: I have a blank guide... who do I let it know where to get sanp2it from? I didn't see this at all in mythtv-setup.
[18:21:03] cipher_nemo: Juski: also, should I let mythtv handle mythfilldatabase automatically?
[18:21:35] Juski: so it's pretty obvious so far you've not set up mythtv properly, for one thing
[18:21:43] cipher_nemo: Juski: I am running mythfrontend in a terminal window to test
[18:22:39] cipher_nemo: apparently... no guide so far, no snap2it... there's a place for adding something like that in mythtv-setup, where I add a username and password, but it never really says "snap2it" or anything like that, and no http address or anything
[18:22:40] Juski: go to www.zap2it.com and get yourself an account & do the stuff the documentation says to do.. you put your account details for zap2it into mythtv-setup after you've got a (free) account at zap2it
[18:22:49] cipher_nemo: I already have an account
[18:23:02] cipher_nemo: did that in the guide that walked me through the setup
[18:23:04] Juski: so stop mythbackend
[18:23:10] cipher_nemo: ok
[18:23:18] Juski: run mythtv-setup and go to the 'video sources' page
[18:23:34] Juski: select 'zap2it' as the data provider and put your login details in there
[18:24:10] Juski: I don't know what to do after that cos I'm not a zap2it user, but a lot of howto guides I've seen have it pretty much covered
[18:26:09] ** Juski gathers the guy who suggested porting mythtv's ui stuff to qt4 to get svg support has never tried making svg graphics himself **
[18:27:09] GreyFoxx: Juski: Any chance I can see your minimyth.conf ?
[18:27:27] Juski: GreyFoxx: for a 0.19 or for a 0.20 ?
[18:27:32] mwtb: I thought a bunch of apps could do SVG output. Illustrator for one.
[18:27:40] GreyFoxx: Juski: 0.20 actually
[18:28:01] Juski: mwtb: svg icons blow chunks IMHO.. getting em photo-real is real, hard
[18:28:03] GreyFoxx: Right now it's dying on my lack of a MM_THEME_URL value :)
[18:28:37] mwtb: Juski: True enough, but there are large advantages for scaling and layout purposes.
[18:28:45] Juski: GreyFoxx: put a 'theme' dir in the place where you've put the rootfs file, and copy the contents of the theme dir from the tarball into that
[18:29:03] Juski: mwtb: just use bigger bitmaps ;)
[18:29:13] Juski: memory is cheap
[18:29:35] Juski: and not everybody has 50 million texels/sec graphics hardware
[18:29:46] mwtb: Juski: It's not the memory, it's the number of variations. Rescaled bitmaps often look awful.
[18:30:06] Juski: myth doesn't do a bad job of rescaling theme graphics
[18:30:25] mwtb: Juski: They mostly look awful to begin with. :)
[18:30:38] Juski: and there ain't many mythtv users running at more than 1280x720 anyway
[18:30:59] Beirdo: hmmm, I think mwtb is volunteering to make a new theme
[18:31:39] Juski: reading the ticket notes for mythui, looks like theme designers' work will be a nightmare at first but much easier in the long-run
[18:32:00] Juski: I'm all for the latter ;)
[18:32:09] mwtb: Just kidding. I looked at using svg at work mostly to allow the designers to create layouts without having to be beaten over the head with a UI stick. It never really took off as anidea.
[18:32:33] Juski: a GUI-based theme editor would be nicer than nice
[18:33:09] metalac: theme designers need to start using SVG graphics
[18:33:37] Juski: metalac: my source files are megapixel-kinda huge
[18:33:50] cipher_nemo: It looks like my snap2it is working now (very confusing setup in mythtv 0.18 for it), but my frontend crashes when I select program guide: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Ks1eIo49.html
[18:33:55] Juski: I scale em down to fit the theme constraints
[18:34:08] metalac: well either that or provide, small, medium and big icons and some way to choose between the 3
[18:34:32] metalac: so that people on 1080 resolutions don't have to live with jagged edges :)
[18:34:57] Juski: cipher_nemo: looks like your VGA driver needs some love, to my untrained eyes
[18:35:13] Juski: metalac: remove the 1280x720 constraint then
[18:35:16] cipher_nemo: Juski: ok, I'll toy with that... thx
[18:35:41] metalac: Juski: what do you mean by 1280x720 constraint?
[18:35:55] Juski: mythtv was designed with SDTV in mind, don't forget
[18:36:20] Juski: metalac: -wide themes are all based on 1280x720 res. if you run X at a higher res the theme elements get scaled up
[18:36:34] Juski: 4:3 themes are based on 800x600, likewise
[18:36:42] metalac: Juski: ohhh
[18:37:04] Juski: so if you want super-duper definition themes, sort that out
[18:37:17] metalac: well it will change soon enough with the amount of people getting hdtvs
[18:37:26] Juski: no need to assume that
[18:37:32] Juski: it won't change til someone changes it
[18:38:25] Juski: though I've never tried making a theme background bigger than 800x600 or 1280x720 just to see what happens...
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[18:38:49] metalac: Juski: well i was playing around and i'm using a 1920x1080 background
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[18:39:09] Juski: metalac: maybe the theme elements could be similarly resized then
[18:39:25] metalac: it uses only a small chunk of it when that "loading icons" screen shows up, but when the GUI shows up the whole background
[18:39:34] Juski: heh
[18:39:35] metalac: i was going to do some changes to elements too later on
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[18:39:57] Juski: nothing to stop people experimenting.. if it all works properly I could be persuaded to do a hi-def version of my theme
[18:40:08] metalac: what is your theme?
[18:40:08] Juski: I still have all my source files
[18:40:20] ** Juski is amazed people missed that **
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[18:40:31] Juski: projectgrayhem & projectgrayhem-wide
[18:41:00] metalac: i'm still trying to figure why the "official" themes of myth don't do anything when you change font size. for instance the font of program guide is waay to tiny
[18:41:04] Juski: currently non-worky with 0.20 & I've toyed with the idea of dropping the 4:3 theme on account of not using it
[18:41:38] Juski: metalac: theme designer's fault, through & through... for font sizing to work you need to put <big> <medium> and <small> font elements in the xml
[18:41:43] GreyFoxx: Juski: Ahhh turns out it's a bug in the latest version up for download
[18:41:51] GreyFoxx: but can be gotten around with a config setting
[18:42:25] metalac: Juski: yeah i figured that out and I was going to add it in, but these are official themes we're talking about
[18:43:00] metalac: by that I mean mythcenter-wide and mythcenter
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[18:43:05] Juski: que sera, etc...
[18:43:29] fryfrog: anyone know a good resource on creating a RAID1 from a disk that exists?
[18:43:45] otwin: Juski: your is theme is not working with 0.20? seems to work fine here.
[18:44:00] Juski: otwin: apparently not, with gl painter
[18:44:29] otwin: aah – haven't tested that with minimyth.
[18:47:10] mwtb: Cool,0.20 seems to pick up my DVB schedule data. Perhaps I can record radio now.
[18:48:06] janneg: fryfrog: create a degraded raid1 with just one disk, copy the contents, add the second disc to the raid and sync. if you're not familar with mdadm you should try it first with to small partition/lv
[18:48:20] tank-man: fryfrog, backup and restore
[18:49:58] fryfrog: damn, that kind of sucks
[18:50:11] fryfrog: thanks for the info though
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[18:51:41] thespore: I have 3306 forwarded in both my router and open in my firewall, however I cannot connect to it from my mvpmc frontend.
[18:51:58] thespore: when I check the port 3306, I'm getting "connection refused"
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[18:54:42] stuarta: Juski: i'm back...
[18:55:47] Juski: stuarta: wb :)
[18:55:51] stuarta: what info do you need?
[18:56:21] Juski: I don't, yet.. but I'll need an address to post the tag to since they'll all be coming to me
[18:56:36] stuarta: i'll email it to you....
[18:56:40] Juski: coolios
[18:57:16] Juski: otwin: were you once playing with building minimyth yourself?
[18:57:41] Juski: I tried building minimyth on gentoo & ubuntu – failed on both because of env variable stuff
[18:58:27] Juski: apparently it 'just works' (tm) on FC
[18:58:30] otwin: Juski: had success on fc3 but never on ubuntu
[18:58:58] Juski: right. bears out what I've heard from other people too
[18:59:12] stuarta: Juski: email sent
[18:59:36] Juski: stuarta: email received, cheers
[19:01:21] Juski: stuarta: we're likely going to be joined by another mythtv-er of note ;)
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[19:01:41] Angryelf: does mythWeb have problems with php5?
[19:01:47] Juski: Angryelf: nope
[19:02:04] Angryelf: it has probs with msql 5?
[19:02:12] Angryelf: it has probs with something v5...i know it does
[19:02:18] Juski: nope
[19:02:21] Angryelf: *mysql ^^
[19:02:29] Juski: 0.19 did, before the -fixes branch
[19:02:35] Juski: and <0.19
[19:02:37] Angryelf: ahh, i'm still on .19
[19:02:44] Angryelf: .19 has mysql v5 probs then?
[19:02:55] Juski: yup
[19:03:10] Angryelf: k — i can upgrade php then :)
[19:03:11] Angryelf: thanx
[19:03:14] Juski: mysql server 'goes to sleep' on inactive connections
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[19:06:12] Angryelf: ls /www/bin
[19:06:25] Angryelf: i suppose that doesn't work here
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[19:06:46] Juski: not unless somebody's been seriously 'pwn3d', no
[19:06:48] Juski: ;)
[19:07:05] opello: pwn3d, is that a chess game?! :p
[19:07:38] Juski: less 'check mate' more 'check for open ports'
[19:11:51] DigerLAP: at labs.zap2it.com it asks for a certificate code
[19:11:52] DigerLAP: where is this
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[19:17:24] opello: DigerLAP: it's in the instructions
[19:17:31] DigerLAP: yesah
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[19:17:37] DigerLAP: I just found it
[19:17:49] DigerLAP: amazing what a little reading can do for a person
[19:17:59] opello: heh
[19:19:07] DigerLAP: says
[19:19:07] DigerLAP: Subscription Expires: 2007/01/04
[19:19:17] DigerLAP: do you have to update it often
[19:19:21] DigerLAP: reup
[19:20:16] slide: Does anyone in here have myth2ipod/xvid working? When it runs it gives me a divide by zero error
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[19:21:05] opello: DigerLAP: every 3 months
[19:21:17] opello: DigerLAP: small price for free guide data ;)
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[19:21:23] DigerLAP: im guessing I will get an email reminder
[19:22:03] DigerLAP: they must have a auto delete of accounts that do not check in with email notify or something
[19:22:25] opello: no tsure
[19:22:27] opello: not sure*
[19:22:35] opello: but yeah, you get an email reminder a week or so before it's up
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[19:52:33] jonK_: hi, I need help with an LVM problem. What do you do when the system can't find the lvm partition that includes the / directory?
[19:52:36] jonK_: system will not boot. This makes me sad.
[19:52:54] hans0lo: got a pvr-150 set up and can view one channel. I cannot change channels tho. Any suggestions?
[19:53:07] slide: Does anyone in here have myth2ipod/xvid working? When it runs it gives me a divide by zero error
[19:53:07] jonK_: is it the spice channel?
[19:53:41] jonK_: becuase if so, the answer is obvious...
[19:54:57] opello: the spice channel, direct to you from arrakis
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[19:56:51] jonK_: seriously, anyone able to help me with an lvm f--- up
[19:57:39] jonK_: and I'm concerned that it could be a drive failure
[19:57:58] fryfrog: lvm on top of raid?
[19:58:00] fryfrog: or just lvm?
[19:58:02] jonK_: I put three HD's on top of one another in the drive cage
[19:58:04] jonK_: just lvm
[19:58:11] fryfrog: if it is a drive failure, use smartmon
[19:58:23] fryfrog: like "smartmon -d ata /dev/hda" or what ever
[19:58:39] jonK_: how to tell though, system decompresses the kernel, tries to start loading modules, cand find the modules and dies
[19:58:43] fryfrog: sorry, smartctl
[19:58:48] fryfrog: oh
[19:58:53] fryfrog: your box won't even boot?
[19:59:00] jonK_: the /boot on plain partition
[19:59:04] jonK_: on lvm
[19:59:08] jonK_: the / on lvm
[19:59:13] fryfrog: sorry, i don't use lvm :/
[19:59:22] fryfrog: why would you use lvm w/o raid underneath?
[19:59:39] jonK_: becuase losing all the mythrecordings is not critical
[19:59:53] fryfrog: ah
[19:59:55] jonK_: I can just reformat restart
[20:00:04] jonK_: but would prefer not to
[20:00:11] fryfrog: i would boot from a rescue disk and see if the drives are failed
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[20:00:24] fryfrog: smartmontools has a program called "smartctl" you can use to view SMART status
[20:00:25] jonK_: well, I was just thinking since it see's the boot partition
[20:00:36] jonK_: the drive should be ok
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[20:01:30] jonK_: so with the / directory on an lvm partition that the system cant find at startup, it just hangs
[20:01:31] fryfrog: or maybe not, depends a lot on the problem it could be having :(
[20:02:52] jonK_: i think i'll go download flash linux and see what I can figure out
[20:02:59] jonK_: try to boot system from a usb token
[20:07:01] fryfrog: sounds like a good idea :)
[20:08:06] jonK_: I'm not sure what else to try — I could also just reinstall ubuntu without reformatting the partitions, depending on whether the installer can see and activate existing lvm groups
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[20:27:36] Tuju: can I compile without lame?
[20:27:47] Tuju: there doesn't seem to be --disable-lame in --help
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[20:31:27] kormoc: Tuju, in short, no, you can't
[20:31:57] Tuju: yep, got that feeling too.
[20:32:20] Tuju: it's sad since commercial distros don't ship it and I don't need it either.
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[20:47:24] caitlin: save me from my mythtv hell!!
[20:47:38] ** caitlin still can't transcode... (but her remote *does* work) **
[20:51:22] stuarta: caitlin: can't transcode in general, or certain show break.
[20:51:28] caitlin: at all
[20:51:35] stuarta: never starts?
[20:51:40] caitlin: i'm trying to upload my log to pastebin, but it's being crappy
[20:52:37] stuarta: use pastebin.ca Generally works better.
[20:52:54] Beirdo: and it's less american too :)
[20:53:58] caitlin: http://pastebin.ca/191294
[20:54:37] caitlin: i',m hoping i'm just missing some vital software, but i can't work out what
[20:54:47] caitlin: the wiki suggests transcode should just *work*
[20:55:02] caitlin: i have extra //'s in my paths but i don't think they should be causing too much hassle
[20:55:37] stuarta: go look in ${mytharchive_workdir}
[20:55:56] stuarta: erm... scratch that...
[20:56:46] caitlin: it's using the normal tv space to work in
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[20:57:12] caitlin: and isn't mytharchive the dvd doohicky? i've got that installed, but as yet, no dvd rw :P
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[20:58:25] caitlin: how much space should it need to *work* in, there's almost 8G free in there
[20:59:10] stuarta: about the same size as the recording less a bit (generally)
[20:59:25] caitlin: loads of space then
[20:59:46] kormoc: caitlin, line 29 in your pastebin is the one that matters
[20:59:48] stuarta: the unusual bit about it is that it say "unknown video codec"
[20:59:58] kormoc: caitlin, you sure it's a good recording?
[21:00:03] caitlin: it plays fine
[21:00:50] stuarta: can you pastebin the output of ffmpeg -i <file>
[21:01:15] stuarta: kormoc: it's got 7 streams and it barfs after 4.
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[21:01:56] stuarta: caitlin: how recent is your build?
[21:02:30] caitlin: http://pastebin.ca/191308
[21:02:35] caitlin: pretty
[21:02:41] caitlin: it's ubuntu dapper
[21:02:48] kormoc: So Mr. Beirdo, what do you think about the new ubuntu init replacement?
[21:03:04] Beirdo: huh?
[21:03:05] stuarta: myth build :)
[21:03:18] caitlin: urm, dunno. it's from binaries
[21:03:27] stuarta: ahh...
[21:03:30] kormoc: Beirdo, ubunut is moving away from init and rolling their own, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReplacementInitDiscussion
[21:03:31] Beirdo: I haven't heard anything about a replacement for init...
[21:03:36] Beirdo: oh JEEZ
[21:03:39] Beirdo: what retards
[21:04:02] Beirdo: let's get rid of the well-known and go to something custom...
[21:04:33] kormoc: Aye, you should read the case studys...
[21:04:41] caitlin: Library API version: 0.20.20060828–3  ?
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[21:05:57] stuarta: caitlin: the code i'm thinking about was only submitted yesterday :-/
[21:06:35] caitlin: oh
[21:06:52] caitlin: so we dont know what my mythtranscode is sticking on then?
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[21:08:26] stuarta: not specifically no.
[21:09:22] stuarta: but there was some code to make mythtranscode use the first video stream.
[21:09:54] caitlin: hmm
[21:10:12] stuarta: and not die rude deaths
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[21:14:03] Ad_: why is mythtv creating a /.mythtv/mysql.txt at startup and not the one in /root/.mythtv or /home/mythtv/.mythtv
[21:15:48] Ad_: it as if the home dir gets set to / during boot since it is possible to start it manually later on
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[21:18:32] DrMitch: this is very strange. i have tvtime installed, and i can watch TV just fine in it. but when i switch to myth, i only get channels 4–13 ... the rest are blue. anyone know why this would be?
[21:19:20] DrMitch: nm, i found out
[21:19:26] DrMitch: i had it set to B-cast
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[21:39:49] Ad_: Am I the only one having a problem with the initscript not getting the correct HOME variable during boot
[21:41:15] kormoc: Ad_, yes
[21:41:40] Ad_: ok :-(
[21:42:45] ** stuarta packs the bag to go to France tomorrow **
[21:42:59] kormoc: Ad_, you could try asking your distro directly about it, assuming it's their own custom one?
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[21:43:14] Ad_: I just cant understand why it is not set. when mythbackend is started during boot cannot find the home for the mythtv user and because of that it creates a dummy mysql.txt with a incorrect password in the / rootpartition
[21:43:37] kormoc: Ad_, did you try setting up the mysql.txt in /etc/mythtv?
[21:44:18] Ad_: yes but this is a problem with mythbackend only, i have no problem with any other program or script. also it started to happen from mythtv 0.19 and onwards
[21:44:39] kormoc: well, maybe you can talk with whomever wrote the init.d script you are using
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[21:45:13] Ad_: does not matter if i put anything in /etc it just looks for the mysql.txt in the home directory which is not set
[21:45:33] Ad_: I'm using the atrpm distro of myth for fc5
[21:45:34] kormoc: it should check $HOME, and then /etc/mythtv in that order
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[22:03:03] Ad_: The strange thing is that HOME is never referenced in the initscript, this means that mythbackend by it self is looking for that env even if it is not available during boot
[22:03:40] Ad_: why cant mythbackend use getent istead of relying on some nonexisting env variable
[22:04:15] GreyFoxx: why can't you just set the HOME variable ?
[22:06:10] Ad_: because it will be overwritten on every update of the rpm.
[22:06:51] Ad_: what I would like to now is what was changed fromt 0.18 to 0.19 regarding this functionality since the initscript has not changed
[22:07:41] GreyFoxx: Ad_: You can check SVN and see what changes wentinto libs/libmyth/mythcontext.cpp
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[22:11:34] thespore: Hey, I'm trying to allow access to the mysql db to a winmyth frontend, how do i grant privelages to the database (the examples shlow like mythtv@"192.168.1.%" identified by "mythtv") but, that won't work since the user is not mythtv.. i want to allow access to ANYBODY on 192.168.1.%
[22:12:19] GreyFoxx: I suppose you could try "%"@"192.168.1.%"
[22:12:28] GreyFoxx: Why not just use the mythtv name in winmyth
[22:12:38] GreyFoxx: Or jsut add a grant for whatever name you plan to use ?
[22:13:02] thespore: well there's going to be multiple front-ends, and it's just easier to allow broad access to my local network
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[22:13:33] GreyFoxx: you don't need different usernamesfor each machine
[22:13:40] GreyFoxx: thereis no reason they can't all have the same username :)
[22:13:51] GreyFoxx: All of my frontends/backends use the same username :)
[22:14:48] thespore: where do i setup the username, I'm just trying to setup the mythtv ds filter, and can't get a connection the db
[22:15:23] GreyFoxx: I don't remember where off hand,but theone time I used winmyth I had to set the db info
[22:15:38] GreyFoxx: otherwise it wouldn't have known where my database was, let alone my username
[22:16:12] thespore: well y eah, i put in the mysql database info, username/pass/db/host
[22:17:16] thespore: but, i don't think the privelages are the problem. i have port 3306 forwarded to my backend pc, and firewall rule to allow port 3306 incoming... but if i try and hit port 3306 it gives me connection refused
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[22:17:35] GreyFoxx: That would mean your forward is messed up
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[22:17:51] GreyFoxx: connection refused means it can't reach the open port, nothing to do with mysql authentication
[22:18:13] Ad_: has the ds filter package been updated to support 0.20
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[22:18:48] thespore: how? it's setup the exact same as mythtv ports 6543/6544 both in the router and in the firewall, and those ports come through fine.
[22:19:07] GreyFoxx: thespore: From the windows machine, drop to a command prompt
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[22:19:15] GreyFoxx: and type telnet mysqlIP 3306
[22:19:23] GreyFoxx: see if it connections or gives you a refused :)
[22:19:45] GreyFoxx: If it's refused then you are not reach the mysql machine OR mysql isn't listening on 3306 on the external IP of the box
[22:19:46] scottder: anyone else running FC4 (yes I know it's legacy) and the atroms repo, seems like Mythweb is out of sync with the rest of the myth suite
[22:20:09] thespore: it's refused, how do I check if mysql is listening on the external ip?
[22:20:23] ecksii: Howdy
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[22:20:44] thespore: is that in my.cnf?
[22:20:54] GreyFoxx: thespore: from the mysql machine netstat -antu | grep ":3306"
[22:21:08] scottder: lsof -i -n | grep mysql
[22:21:22] scottder: one of those will work
[22:21:22] scottder: :)
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[22:21:33] thespore: tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN
[22:21:35] ecksii: Anyone know how to get audio going on myth (ubuntu/dapper — bttv card)
[22:21:38] GreyFoxx: Localhost only
[22:21:43] GreyFoxx: check my.cnf
[22:22:16] thespore: yup see it, lets see if it works now
[22:22:17] AngryElf: at some point did a change get made that keeps yesterdays listings in the database? (or at least shown in mythweb->listings) ?
[22:22:26] AngryElf: because i dont remember it always being like that
[22:22:40] GreyFoxx: Those are cleared by mythfilldatabase
[22:22:59] GreyFoxx: I think it does keep 24 hours in the past and removes before that
[22:23:08] thespore: how do i restart mysqld?
[22:24:16] thespore: nevermind
[22:25:36] thespore: got it!
[22:25:38] thespore: thanks
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[22:50:04] stuarta: EFAULT.NOJACKDANIELS
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[22:52:42] Beirdo: -ENORUM
[22:52:59] stuarta: :(
[22:53:10] antiProzac: I just brought home a new pvr150. I am running Ubuntu 6.06 with a 2.6.15 kernel. I havent put it in my mythtv box yet, what do I need to do first? Download the ivtv driver and build it?
[22:53:20] stuarta: drink beer
[22:53:27] kormoc: and then drink vodka
[22:53:30] antiProzac: done, whats next
[22:53:40] kormoc: drive a lot more vodka
[22:53:42] kormoc: *drink
[22:54:44] Beirdo: other than getting right sloshed, you'll need the ivtv driver, the firmware, and kernel source to build the driver against
[22:55:36] scopeuk: i dont knwo building a driver whilst sloshed coudl be quite entertaining
[22:55:39] scottder: or install FC and just load up the RPMs :)
[22:55:47] ** scottder is lazy **
[22:56:04] Beirdo: I don't recall having troubles with breezy
[22:56:04] scopeuk: so oued destroy a full myth install voer a cupple of drivers?
[22:56:08] scopeuk: well a driver
[22:56:15] scopeuk: sounds liek a lot of effort
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[22:59:10] ** stuarta suspects scopeuk's spelling is afflicted by alcohol :) **
[22:59:40] antiProzac: scottder: what FC would you suggest?
[22:59:48] antiProzac: 3,4 or 5
[22:59:55] antiProzac: err, 2,4 or 5
[23:00:02] Beirdo: heh
[23:00:26] Beirdo: I'd suggest sticking with what you have and just compiling the lousy drivers
[23:00:42] antiProzac: I'm afraid of the firmware step, is that important?
[23:00:48] Beirdo: yes
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[23:00:53] antiProzac: or is the default fw ok
[23:00:54] orogor: hi here
[23:01:01] orogor: any french person ?
[23:01:07] Beirdo: default should be OK, but you need to extract it
[23:01:19] stuarta: -ENOTIMETOWATCHRECORDINGS
[23:01:21] Beirdo: there are good instructions on ivtv site last I heard
[23:01:45] scottder: 5 is current
[23:01:54] scottder: 4 has been dropped to legacy support
[23:02:05] ** Beirdo gives KaZeR the evil eye **
[23:02:29] scopeuk: stuarta i hope not if it is im mroe of a light weight than ithought
[23:02:31] scottder: I didn't want to compile because, well I am lazy and the machine I am running myth on is 1ghz
[23:02:45] Beirdo: heh, ivtv is an easy compile
[23:03:06] stuarta: scopeuk: :)
[23:03:18] Beirdo: scopeuk, how many pints?
[23:03:32] scottder: then I stick with my lazy and it works excuse then :)
[23:03:39] Beirdo: heh
[23:03:56] Beirdo: I used FC1 for a LONG time before upgrading to ubuntu, I understand
[23:04:01] ** stuarta counts 3 pints for lunch, 2 neat whiskeys, 2 double JD's.... **
[23:04:08] scopeuk: beirdo one measly bottle
[23:04:13] Beirdo: eek
[23:04:18] Beirdo: that all?
[23:04:22] scottder: that and I admined Red hat stuff at my last job....so i know it's issues well enough :)
[23:04:27] Beirdo: must be some other explanation then
[23:04:32] scopeuk: yeh im pretty sure its jsut general scope crappy typing ness
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[23:04:52] stuarta: i know, you've one finger that's faster than the others!
[23:04:54] scopeuk: ive managed to code a program in java scince i drank it with onyl a cupple of compile errors
[23:05:01] scopeuk: stuarta me too
[23:05:22] Beirdo: I often have hand inversion issues
[23:05:39] Beirdo: with my right hand typing just moments before the left... wrong order.
[23:05:40] stuarta: hanging upside down?
[23:05:51] scopeuk: Beirdo i do that one
[23:06:09] Beirdo: easy enough to fix, just gotta slow down a touch
[23:06:15] Beirdo: wife's home, dinner time
[23:06:28] Leebier: so, as best as i can tell, version .20 no longer has a 'dont record if less than ____ disk space" option, is there any way to replicate this behavior?
[23:07:04] stuarta: short answer. no.
[23:07:10] Leebier: well,crap
[23:07:27] Leebier: i take it the removal of this feature was intentional and not a bug?
[23:07:30] stuarta: cause livetv would cease to work
[23:08:14] Leebier: oh
[23:08:18] Honk^gone: are there any known bugs that'd cause myth music to segfault?
[23:08:21] Leebier: because recordings and live are no longer seperated, eh?
[23:08:29] GreyFoxx: yeah
[23:09:02] Leebier: that still sucks though, because the "leave X amount of free space" option doesn't seem to behave well enough to obtain similar results either
[23:09:09] kormoc: ooh?
[23:09:15] kormoc: mine seems to be good within say, 1 gb or so
[23:09:29] GreyFoxx: That should work fine as long as there are recordings available for it to expire
[23:09:47] Leebier: hrmm, it will only use that option to expire recordings, not to prevent new ones?
[23:10:23] GreyFoxx: yes. It ensures that a certain amountof space is available, and if recording it will expire so thatit can do the recording
[23:10:27] GreyFoxx: it will not just stop recording
[23:11:05] Leebier: that kinda sucks though. my drive tends to fill up, and it seems senseless to expire one unwatched repeat episode of (say) south park to record another one
[23:12:09] GreyFoxx: shrug
[23:12:34] GreyFoxx: personally I would MUCHrather it drop old recordings I haven't seen than not record something new
[23:12:35] Leebier: and maybe i'm being dense, but why would the "don't record if less than X MB free" kill live tv? it would only be a problem once the amount of free space got under that threshold
[23:12:44] kormoc: that's the problem, aye
[23:12:47] GreyFoxx: Exactly
[23:13:03] Leebier: but doesn't it become an even BIGGER issue once the drive fills?
[23:13:11] Leebier: which, presumably happens near that threshold
[23:13:37] Leebier: except the 'new' recordings are rarely something truly 'new', just yet another episode of a show in syndication or repeats
[23:13:54] Leebier: that' a lot of extra hard drive thrashing to dump one 4 year old episode for a 5 year old one
[23:15:13] Leebier: or am i missing some key concept about watching using myth or about tv in general?
[23:15:29] GreyFoxx: Leebier: That would depend on your setup, my box doesn't record repeats of something Ihave previously recorded
[23:15:57] Aid`: aye
[23:16:15] kormoc: GreyFoxx, nah, he's right in, a 4 year old show that you haven't watched can get dumped for a 5 year old show you haven't watched
[23:16:17] GreyFoxx: and Seriously, if My driveis full of many months old crap I would MUCH rather it delete something I recorded 2 months ago than miss a new episode of a show
[23:16:36] kormoc: then again, my drive only holds a few days worth of recordings
[23:16:47] GreyFoxx: I'm recording to the age of the recording, not to the originally air'd date :)
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[23:17:34] GreyFoxx: Leebier: But If you are a LiveTV watcher those ALWAYSexpire before any recording
[23:17:45] Leebier: the not recording previously watched episodes thing does solve the issue, except my DB is virtually empty at hte moment
[23:17:57] Leebier: and i virtually NEVER liveTV, so this represents a regresssion for me
[23:18:32] GreyFoxx: I never use LiveTV either but I'm happy with the way it works now over the old behaviour
[23:18:32] Leebier: i only watch sporting events live, and usually run a direct feed to the tv rather than via the mythbox, so it can record something on another channel while i watch the game
[23:18:43] GreyFoxx: makes sense :)
[23:18:55] Leebier: except the old behavior didn't crash my mythbackend 4 or 5 times a day
[23:19:03] GreyFoxx: uhhh crash ?
[23:19:08] Leebier: when the hard drive fills
[23:19:11] GreyFoxx: If it's crashing then you have some other problem
[23:19:14] Leebier: as, at the moment, i have nothing expiring
[23:19:20] GreyFoxx: are you disabling the housekeeper/jobequeue or something ?
[23:19:54] Leebier: well, i don't know if it technically "crashes", but i have to restart the service to get the frontend to connect to it
[23:20:03] Leebier: and this only happens when /video is full
[23:20:08] Fnc: anyone know anything about the AirStar-HD5000AV-PCI card?
[23:20:11] Fnc: and setting it up?
[23:20:18] kormoc: GreyFoxx, it's true in that currently it requires the ability to autoexpire, without that, if you can't expire anything and the drive is full, it just freezes up.
[23:20:20] Leebier: and again, i currently ahve nothing set to autoexpire, as i didn't need to on the old system
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[23:20:44] Leebier: since it just stopped recording new shows once it hit the threshold
[23:20:53] GreyFoxx: kormoc: In that case I would expect it to just stop recording, but I've never been that full
[23:21:28] Leebier: and i refuse to buy more HD for the box, 20+ hours of unwatched TV is all my life needs :)
[23:21:53] kormoc: GreyFoxx, it seemed to just stop doing anything, it responded to sigkill, but it took forever.
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[23:22:02] GreyFoxx: Either way,I personally prefer the current behaviour of deleting old stuff to make way for new,but to each their own
[23:22:31] nordle: hi, do people use mythdvd or xine or... I ask because I was setting keyboard lircrc mappings for mythtv when I read a post that xine was the considered the player of choice. Im using imon pad remote, what would you recommend? (using xine cvs@7days ago and myth 0.20)
[23:22:32] GreyFoxx: And with the new Watched flag stuff coming in and it expiring watched shows first that makes it even better imho
[23:22:34] Leebier: well, not that i have to convince you to agree with me, but i guess i'm just frustrated because earlier versions allowed you to choose either mode of thinking
[23:23:03] kormoc: nordle, xine supports dvd menus, nothing else currently does, that's why it's recommended a lot
[23:23:04] Leebier: and you're right that the 'watched' stuff solves many of the issues, but only after you've watched LOTS of stuff
[23:23:11] kormoc: nordle, I just don't use any of them
[23:23:36] kormoc: GreyFoxx, is that gonna be optional by chance?
[23:23:57] nordle: kormoc: Im sure I put a test dvd into myth and the menus came up..... you dont use dvd, you prefer standalone or not at all or?
[23:23:57] GreyFoxx: kormoc: Not sure really
[23:24:21] GreyFoxx: The Internal player supports menus too
[23:24:26] kormoc: ooh! nice
[23:24:37] GreyFoxx: I've been using it for a while now for all playback :)
[23:25:01] kormoc: nordle, I just rip videos I want to watch and use the internal player, and I'll likely stick to it once I get a dvd drive for the box
[23:25:05] kormoc: nifty neato
[23:26:27] nordle: GreyFoxx: So theres little reason to switch to external player then.... mapping wise, for example, DVD rewind is down under mythweb as ,,< so do I just use exactly that for lircrc under rewind?
[23:27:31] GreyFoxx: nordle: I don't actually use lirc, soI really can't comment on it's configuration
[23:28:43] test2: GreyFoxx: you use the msntv remote?
[23:28:47] nordle: GreyFoxx: ok, thanks, its a little tricky trying to get all the keys to opperate for music, dvd, gallery etc without causing conflict.
[23:29:28] GreyFoxx: test2: Nope, 1 frontend uses a Universal IR+RF remote, the others use Universal learning IR remotes which I trained to the keyboard IR signals
[23:30:00] GreyFoxx: 1 of the remotes has dead batteries so technically right now that one is using the real keybaord hehe
[23:30:48] test2: GreyFoxx: ahh, how many msntv2 frontends do you have?
[23:31:38] GreyFoxx: 4 in use,1 on my work bench and afrontend running on my master backend for one room
[23:32:08] kormoc: nordle, I just use the same key as playback rewind
[23:32:18] kormoc: and set my rewind key in lircrc to that as well
[23:32:32] test2: GreyFoxx: bet the fact that they are fanless and diskless is a big plus
[23:33:07] GreyFoxx: yeah. I use to use diskless pcbased machines which were fine, but having a silent frontend in the bedroom made my wife happy :)
[23:33:50] test2: GreyFoxx: all that counts, lol
[23:33:56] nordle: kormoc: I think thats ,,< and >,. for rewind and fast forward (using sticky keys or frame at a time). But what is dvd next chapter, as its not listed as that on mythweb... but you dont use dvd.
[23:34:48] kormoc: ahh, donno bout that
[23:36:05] test2: GreyFoxx: do you have the cf image for msntv2 with the video bios you wrote?
[23:36:44] jblack: I have videos with multiple audio tracks.
[23:36:50] jblack: Is there a way for me to change the audio track?
[23:36:57] Anduin: jblack: Yes
[23:37:02] GreyFoxx: test2: I wrote an app to enable the TVout with the accelerated driver, but I didn't write the video bios itself :)
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[23:37:33] GreyFoxx: I've got anewer version on the go which does a lot more but it's still not ready to go out yet
[23:37:48] test2: GreyFoxx: how did you get a working accelerated driver?
[23:38:02] jblack: That's great. How do I set the audio track with the internal player?
[23:38:17] Anduin: jblack: Pick it from the menu
[23:38:43] jblack: Ahh, there it is. awesome. :)
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[23:39:09] GreyFoxx: test2: Intel puts out one called IEGD (Intel Embedded Graphics Driver). Butit disables the TV on these boxes
[23:39:17] GreyFoxx: so I wrote something for reenabling it
[23:39:42] test2: GreyFoxx: the one that came with the linux bsp, right?
[23:39:50] jblack: Great great. Is there a way for me to set the default? I don't see anything in Edit Video Information for this
[23:40:03] GreyFoxx: test2: What bsp are you referring to ?
[23:40:05] jblack: Pardon, allow me to rephrase. What is the way to set the default track?
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[23:40:40] test2: GreyFoxx: the intel bsp for the intel stb reference design
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[23:41:03] GreyFoxx: *Shrug*. I just download the IEGD driver from the intel website :)
[23:41:09] GreyFoxx: OhI know what you are referring to
[23:41:12] GreyFoxx: no, that didn't work
[23:41:31] CCFL_Man_: there was a linux version then?
[23:41:32] GreyFoxx: the IEGD driver includes/loads a video bios if one is required. The bsp doesn't
[23:41:39] CCFL_Man_: ahh, i see
[23:41:53] GreyFoxx: since the msntv doesn't have a full bios it madethebsp useless
[23:42:13] CCFL_Man_: the IEGD came with a bios then?
[23:42:13] GreyFoxx: but now codeman has a full bios running on his msntv
[23:42:17] GreyFoxx: it does
[23:42:35] GreyFoxx: the S100 is almost physically identical buthad afull PC bios on it
[23:42:39] CCFL_Man_: oh, there is a full bios?
[23:42:40] GreyFoxx: and it works on the msntv
[23:42:49] CCFL_Man_: farkin sweet
[23:42:54] GreyFoxx: So we can flash the msntv with it and boot anything
[23:42:59] GreyFoxx: a usb drive,windows,whatever
[23:43:07] ** CCFL_Man_ gets a hardon **
[23:43:08] GreyFoxx: and of course no cf card limits/crap
[23:43:12] Honk^gone: is there a portable version of mythtv?
[23:43:34] jblack: Sure. Put mythtv on a laptop. :)
[23:43:46] GreyFoxx: CCFL_Man_: I've never used it myself, Might get around to putting it on a box for testing
[23:43:52] GreyFoxx: CCFL_Man_: VGA works too
[23:43:52] CCFL_Man_: GreyFoxx: there an updated website for this stuff?
[23:43:56] CCFL_Man_: sweet
[23:44:10] GreyFoxx: CCFL_Man_: No, but he has posted some stuff on the forums
[23:44:20] nordle: How can I alter the jump ahead amount via mythweb, cant? I can change table, if someone can tell me where.
[23:44:40] GreyFoxx: nordle: You can configure that in the frontend setup menus
[23:44:40] CCFL_Man_: GreyFoxx: forums are up?
[23:44:48] GreyFoxx: CCFL_Man_: Have been for a long time :)
[23:44:58] CCFL_Man_: GreyFoxx: irc up?
[23:45:02] GreyFoxx: yup
[23:45:08] GreyFoxx: It never left
[23:45:22] CCFL_Man_: oh, sweet
[23:45:49] GreyFoxx: It's dead quiet there mostofthe time though heh
[23:46:02] kormoc: nordle, it's likely in the settings table
[23:46:28] Honk^gone: jblack: portable as in startable from a cd
[23:46:35] Anduin: nordle: It is in the playback profile
[23:46:38] Honk^gone: without having to install anything _and_ without using a bootcd ;)
[23:46:54] nordle: kormoc: cant see it, did a search for jump, only came back with EPGEnableJumpToChannel
[23:46:57] GreyFoxx: Honk^gone: Only thing I know of is knopmyth
[23:47:01] jblack: Honk: Yeah, you could do that if the backend were another machine.
[23:47:10] GreyFoxx: Which supposedly can run it from the CD, but I've never triedit :)
[23:47:21] jblack: You'd probably want to customize an image to specify where the backend is.
[23:47:37] kormoc: nordle, you could query and see what's currently set to the current jumpahead
[23:47:44] kormoc: say, 3o is the default?
[23:48:53] CCFL_Man_: GreyFoxx: so with the S100 bios the msntv2 is finally free?
[23:49:09] CCFL_Man_: it's not the S100 laptio buis, is it?
[23:49:20] GreyFoxx: Depends on how you define free. I've been happily using mine as frontends for months
[23:49:36] GreyFoxx: CCFL_Man_: The S100 is stb
[23:49:40] GreyFoxx: a tb
[23:49:44] GreyFoxx: err a stb
[23:50:02] GreyFoxx: At least the one I'm referring to is :)
[23:50:17] GreyFoxx: And I only knowof one person using it on their msntv so far
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[23:50:51] CCFL_Man_: who makes it?
[23:50:56] CCFL_Man_: this STB?
[23:51:16] GreyFoxx: It's being distributed by a provider in Germany
[23:51:22] Anduin: tonline
[23:52:26] CCFL_Man_: oh
[23:52:28] CCFL_Man_: sweet
[23:52:41] CCFL_Man_: it's an iptv stb i presume?
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[23:52:57] GreyFoxx: yup
[23:53:09] GreyFoxx: I think it has wireless built in,but I couldbe wrong
[23:53:14] Honk^gone: i said without using a bootcd ;)
[23:53:21] Honk^gone: just say "no" ;)
[23:53:37] stuarta (stuarta!n=stuarta@unaffiliated/stuarta) has quit ("pumpkin time")
[23:53:40] GreyFoxx: http://cgi.ebay.de/T-Online-S100-Streaming-Bo . . . cmdZViewItem
[23:54:01] CCFL_Man_: oh yes
[23:54:21] CCFL_Man_: and it's bios is pretty much a pc bios?
[23:54:29] GreyFoxx: It is
[23:54:38] GreyFoxx: several people in here use them
[23:54:44] sphery: Anduin: I like your performActualUpdate() taking QStringList.  :)
[23:54:48] CCFL_Man_: sweet
[23:54:57] CCFL_Man_: i'm super excited
[23:55:05] GreyFoxx: and the nice thing is that the TV encoder it uses is directly supported with the IEGD driver, so they don't gonna do anything to enable TV out with it
[23:55:12] CCFL_Man_: i guess i could ask codeman for a copy
[23:55:16] sphery: Anduin: Do you want single quotes around the intid's like Daniel did in http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/11415 ?
[23:55:44] CCFL_Man_: GreyFoxx: it keeps getting better and better
[23:56:21] GreyFoxx: I wouldn't mind getting my hands on an S100 to play with
[23:56:34] GreyFoxx: And the LCD is nice heh
[23:57:05] Anduin: sphery: I have no preference
[23:57:08] sphery: OK.
[23:57:41] sphery: Will have a patch for you soon to clean up the mess I made.
[23:57:54] sphery: thx
[23:58:32] CCFL_Man_: GreyFoxx: the IEGD from intel will direrctly work with the bios then?
[23:58:49] GreyFoxx: yes
[23:58:56] GreyFoxx: the s100 people use it

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