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Wednesday, September 27th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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needcoffee:

livetv works as well along with changing channels (using ir blaster and dish 301 receiver)

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needcoffee:

any have any suggestions?

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coldsteal:

i just put together some parts for my myth bo is it a good config http://i-trash.org/projects/mythtv.php ?

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needcoffee:

not a whole lot of good reviews on that board, coldsteal.

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coldsteal:

ill check

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needcoffee:

take a look at http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813136158 as well

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needcoffee:

a little more expensive however.

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fryfrog:

Has anyone seen this error "NVP::AddAudioData():p1: Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost!"

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fryfrog:

Cardoe: np :)

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coldsteal:

everyone told me that not to do sli

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needcoffee:

what's the reason?

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fryfrog:

coldsteal: cause its a huge waste for myth

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needcoffee:

has anyone used ivtv 0.8.0 with myth 0.19?

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needcoffee:

well, yes, from a price point of view.

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coldsteal:

fryfrog: look at my config i just did

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fryfrog:

from a *price* point of view?

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fryfrog:

does SLI even work in linux?

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coldsteal:

http://i-trash.org/projects/mythtv.php

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fryfrog:

you'd likely only gain an advantage of being able to have 4 monitors with 2 cards :p

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needcoffee:

i thought it did.

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fryfrog:

Sound card is a waste of $75

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fryfrog:

avoid Hitachi (old IBM), go with seagate instead

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fryfrog:

buy 2x 320G drives instead of one 500G drive

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fryfrog:

you have to PSUs on the list?

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needcoffee:

coldsteal, are you planning on using RAID?

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coldsteal:

just raid0

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fryfrog:

get 2 PVR 150's since they are ~$50 each (500 is $30 more than 2x pvr 150)

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hjohnson:

i'm really happy with my new machine

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coldsteal:

for 1tb

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fryfrog:

don't use raid0

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needcoffee:

backend i just build i have RAID 1on ... works great.

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fryfrog:

either use the two drives as raid1 or as two drives individually

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hjohnson:

coldsteal: my backend machine is as follows:

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fryfrog:

coldsteal: I'll be dead honest. What you have put together is a *big* waste on a standard definition MythTV machine

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hjohnson:

Asus A8N-E, w/ 1GB DDR400, Athlon64 X2 3800+, 5 seagate 320GB HDs, 1 Seagate 300GB PATA drive, 1MB S3 Trio, and PVR-500

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coldsteal:

fryfrog: well what do u sugest

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coldsteal:

y should i get 2 320s?

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fryfrog:

640G > 500G, no?

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fryfrog:

for the same price?

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coldsteal:

but i want 1tb

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coldsteal:

o okay i get it

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fryfrog:

ah, sorry

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fryfrog:

I didn't see the 2x 500G

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fryfrog:

thats $400, so you can buy 4x 320G drives for the same price

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fryfrog:

that means raid5, (redundancy) and ~960G of space

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fryfrog:

with 2x 500G drives RAID0, when *one* of your drives dies you lose *EVERYTHING*

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hjohnson:

yep

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xris:

yeah. raid0 is bad unless you absolutely need the speed

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fryfrog:

Here is what I would do.

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coldsteal:

but raid5 wasts space and is slo

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fryfrog:

Look through the scraps you have at your house. For SD playback and recording, you can use something in the 1–2ghz range. 512mb ram is fine.

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fryfrog:

test myth out, see if you like it

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fryfrog:

coldsteal: I have 5x WD drives, 2 of them have failed in a 1 year period

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xris:

coldsteal: yes, slower than not, but if all you're using it for is mythtv, then it screams compared to the minimum requirements.

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fryfrog:

coldsteal: when one of your 500G drives dies an you lose 1TB of data, you will hate yourself :)

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AngryElf:

guys, mplayer/gnome play sound out of my audigy just fine — myth does not — I'm pretty sure it's sending sound out my onboard sound.....how can i change it to the audigy?

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hjohnson:

coldsteal: it doesn't waste much space, it's not that slow on reads, and is still faster than a singl edrive.

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xris:

AngryElf: fix it in the settings and/or disable the onboard in the bios

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hjohnson:

coldsteal: for myth you only need to be able to stream a few dozen megabits per second anyhow, tops.

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xris:

hjohnson: actually, raid5 is often slower than a single drive.

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coldsteal:

its 3 gb/s :)

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hjohnson:

xris: not on my system, and i'm doing raid 5 in software.

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hjohnson:

coldsteal: what are you streamin gat 3gb/s?

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xris:

hjohnson: depends on what you're doing, cpu, etc.

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xris:

often, not always

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hjohnson:

xris: I can sustain reads at 140MB/s

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hjohnson:

writes are much slower, of course.

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xris:

hjohnson: not talking about reads

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xris:

reads *are* faster

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coldsteal:

okay so i can go socketa

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xris:

anyway, coldsteal, you're doing all of that for basic analog cable?

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coldsteal:

satalite

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coldsteal:

and i want it to last me a while

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xris:

ahh. and just the backend, not the frontend?

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fryfrog:

coldsteal: have you tested myth at all?

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fryfrog:

my *main* backend used to be an athlon xp 1600+ w/ 512mb of ram

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fryfrog:

it had *FOUR* PVR250s in it (like 2x pvr500s) and it could *still* record 4 streams *and* do playback locally as well as to remote front end

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flyback:

ya know

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fryfrog:

standard def is *easy* for myth :)

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flyback:

even if polyetheylene isn't good enough for long range space travel

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flyback:

it might turn out to be damn cheap way to shield satalites etc

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fryfrog:

buy yourself a PVR150, put together your first myth box from spare parts

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flyback:

I have 1 pvr250

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fryfrog:

and ifyou like it a lot, get a modest cpu, modest video card and *TONS* of the best priced hard drives :)

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flyback:

only been in a windows box

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flyback:

even as buggy as the wuindows sw is

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fryfrog:

oops :/

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coldstea1:

okay

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flyback:

I am so glad when my svhs vcr broke under wwarrenty

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fryfrog:

coldsteal: have you tested myth at all?

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flyback:

I took the cash option

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flyback:

and used it to buy a pvr250 and dvd

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flyback:

omg it's so much better

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fryfrog:

my *main* backend used to be an athlon xp 1600+ w/ 512mb of ram

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fryfrog:

it had *FOUR* PVR250s in it (like 2x pvr500s) and it could *still* record 4 streams *and* do playback locally as well as to remote front end

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fryfrog:

standard def is *easy* for myth :)

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xris:

coldstea1: is that box just for the backend, or also frontend?

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hjohnson:

fryfrog: but try and transcode the video on that machine. :)

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fryfrog:

standard def is *easy* for myth :)

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fryfrog:

hjohnson: i never bothered with transcoding :)

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coldstea1:

fryfrog: i dont have saported hardware

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fryfrog:

though, i probably should now that i record hd :(

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xris:

hjohnson: why bother transcoding?

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fryfrog:

coldstea1: what do you mean?

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coldstea1:

xris: its an all in one

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hjohnson:

for a front end, I'm thinking something baesd on an EPIA

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hjohnson:

xris: archival?

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fryfrog:

coldstea1: what do you mean, an "all in one"?

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fryfrog:

you know you have to run *linux* right?

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coldstea1:

i rune slackare

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xris:

hjohnson: good enough. but you can be patient for that.

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coldstea1:

slackware

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fryfrog:

and that linux doesn't *exactly* have a lot of games?

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fryfrog:

well, it is your money so in the end you should do what you like :)

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coldstea1:

and all in one meaning it will be a backend and a frontend

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coldstea1:

its the only myth box ill be making

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coldstea1:

does that make senss?

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catisonh:

anyone here use Jarod's guide and upgraded to 0.20?

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

so all in one means it is "all myth"

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fryfrog:

not like it will be your mythtv box, web surfing box, windows gaming box, etc?

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fryfrog:

"I had to change the sample rate for sound to 480000"

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fryfrog:

anyone know what that means?

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fryfrog:

i mean, besides the obvious

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xris:

fryfrog: meaning it's not *just* for a backend

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flyback:

dude

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flyback:

even low qualitty setting

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flyback:

OWNS YOUR CANUCK vs VHS

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flyback:

plus with myth or freevo

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flyback:

you can script it

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flyback:

that when the machien isn't doing anything

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fryfrog:

xris: right, but usually "all in one" box to me means you use it for *everything* :)

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flyback:

go back and with sw convert the mpeg-2 to divx to save space

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xris:

fryfrog: except when answering a specific question (which I asked)

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needcoffee:

anyone have any suggestions regarding my issue?

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needcoffee:

second is scheduled recordings... manual recordings work, but i get a select timeout – ivtv driver has stopped responding error from scheduled recordings, with a 0 byte file.

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needcoffee:

livetv works fine for me.

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Anduin:

needcoffee: all paths merge in terms of code for those use cases

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fryfrog:

Does anyone know how to force myth *or* alsa to use 48khz sound?

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needcoffee:

Anduin... not sure what you mean.

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needcoffee:

if all paths merge, i'm not sure why live tv would work and manual recordings would work but not scheduled recordings.

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Anduin:

needcoffee: meaning how you start the recording should make a difference

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Anduin:

n't

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needcoffee:

that's what is confusing for me as well.

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sunnyhours4130:

I'm doing some searching but can't find any definitive answers... is the tv tuner quality better on the hauppauge pvr 150 or 250?

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Dagmar:

The same

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sunnyhours4130:

hm, cool. what makes the 150 cheaper?

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Anduin:

needcoffee: dmesg shows nothing interesting? maybe pastebin a chunk of the backend log

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Dagmar:

Considering that Hauppauge makes no promises about not changing the electrical design of each model, even if there *were* an accurate answer to that, it could easily change at random.

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sunnyhours4130:

heh

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sunnyhours4130:

and i see a picture on newegg for the pvr 150 1024. it has two coax ports. it's not a dual tuner is it? one in, one out?

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hjohnson:

one for FM radio one for TV

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Anduin:

One for radio

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needcoffee:

Anduin, no dmesg shows nothing interesting. Here are a few lines from the log at the time of the scheduled recording: 2006-09–26 19:00:03.857 ret_pid(0) child(1127) status(0x0)

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needcoffee:

2006-09–26 19:00:05.022 ret_pid(0) child(1127) status(0x0)

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needcoffee:

2006-09–26 19:00:05.226 ret_pid(-1) child(1127) status(0x0)

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needcoffee:

2006-09–26 19:00:05.227 External Tuning program exited with no error

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needcoffee:

2006-09–26 19:00:05.254 Started recording: News: channel 110 on cardid 1, sourceid 1

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sunnyhours4130:

oh sick

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needcoffee:

select timeout – ivtv driver has stopped responding

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needcoffee:

2006-09–26 19:30:00.014 TVRec(1): Changing from RecordingOnly to None

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needcoffee:

2006-09–26 19:30:00.018 Finished recording News: channel 1611

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hjohnson:

(I still don't know why the hell they make a separate jack for FM radio.. it's annoying

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needcoffee:

2006-09–26 19:30:00.041 Reschedule requested for id 0.

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needcoffee:

2006-09–26 19:30:00.802 Scheduled 83 items in 0.8 = 0.01 match + 0.75 place

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Dagmar:

fucktards

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sunnyhours4130:

lol

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Dagmar:

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Dagmar:

hjohnson: BEcause if they didn't, you'd have to reach around and disconnect the cable to get any radio

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Anduin:

needcoffee: pastebin.ca stuff like that

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needcoffee:

Anduin, the finished recording log line should be: 2006-09–26 19:30:00.018 Finished recording News: channel 110

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needcoffee:

i cut and paste two sections of the log accidentally.

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fryfrog:

xvmc, not a good thing to use for HD playback?

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hjohnson:

Dagmar: huh?

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Anduin:

needcoffee: dmesg for around that time (and pastebin.ca it)

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hjohnson:

Dagmar: I've got tons of FM radio stations avaialble over my Cable, far more than are available over the air.

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hjohnson:

Dagmar: or is Cable FM a rare thing in the US?

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Dagmar:

hjohnson: Then buy a splitter and stop complaining. Not everyone's cable company rebroadcasts FM radio over their lines.

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flyback:

no we have it we have had it for ages

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Dagmar:

Not everywhere has it

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flyback:

you know

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Dagmar:

Some places that used to have it, no longer do.

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flyback:

tv tuner cards are nice fm receivers

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flyback:

you can do some neat hacks too

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Dagmar:

*sigh* they *have* to be FM recievers if they're listening to analog tv

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flyback:

oh you are talking about tv

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flyback:

I mean radio freq you smart ass

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flyback:

:p

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flyback:

actually isn't tv vhf and uhf

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hjohnson:

flyback: well, radio frequencies occupy channel 1, as I recall..

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hjohnson:

flyback: yes, and it goes around the FM radi oband..

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Dagmar:

Jesus

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hjohnson:

they did it to screw up RCA victor

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flyback:

?

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Dagmar:

flyback: Dude, TV audio is broadcast in exactly the same way radio audio is

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flyback:

dagmar I know technically you dipshit

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flyback:

I am talking about range

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flyback:

jesus

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Dagmar:

If you had a TV with an analog fine tuning selector on it around, you could listen to the radio somewhere betweeen channel 6 and 7

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Dagmar:

flyback: If all your'e going to do is swear, then shut your fucking face

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flyback:

hey you were the one that got all pissed

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Dagmar:

flyback: I'm not calling you names, yet

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flyback:

well you know what

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flyback:

YOU SMELL

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flyback:

:P

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needcoffee:

Anduin... looking at dmesg.

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Dagmar:

Comcast here used to rebroadcast radio over the cable lines. No loner.

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Dagmar:

s/loner/longer/;

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flyback:

well they do over digital cable channels still

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Dagmar:

If ya ask em about it they go into some kind of delusional fugue and start talking about the music on digital radio, which is not local radio stations

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Dagmar:

I see they've gotten to you

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flyback:

uh huh

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BULLE:

we dont have digital radio at all here =)

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Dagmar:

"well they do over digital cable channels still". No. Many cable companies carry special stations for digital audio. These stations are not the same stations as are being broadcast locally

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flyback:

well true

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BULLE:

Dagmar: yeah, as we dont ahve any digital radio broadcasts other then via cable providers

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Dagmar:

...which means if you call them up and ask them about rebroadcasted FM radio over the cable, and they start talking about digital cable, they might as well be telling you about the sewing channel because it's got squat to do with what you were asking them about

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Dagmar:

BULLE: You don't get it either

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nadia007:

quick question... do you have to have digital programming on your cable in order to get the channel info to display on myth?

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Dagmar:

nadia007: no, you just have to do the usual stuff with mythfilldatabase and zap2it

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nadia007:

Dagmar, way cool... thx!

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Dagmar:

I'm not trying to be a jerk about this, but the service in question is one many cable companies used to provide so that if you wanted to listen to a local radio station at home, and you were on a hill or something and got bad reception you could do it by plugging the cable into the back of your stereo

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Dagmar:

It wasn't just so that people could "get music".

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coldsteal:

okay im back

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coldsteal:

fryfrog: u there?

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needcoffee:

sorry about pasting all log earlier folks. brain seems to have stopped working. need more coffee :)

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needcoffee:

Anduin... dmesg doesn't show anything interesting. i just restarted the backend because livetv had stopped working as well after that error.

[01:08:58]

coldsteal:

okay so what should i do?

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coldsteal:

as fo my config?

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needcoffee:

just scheduled a manual recording on channel 4 and watching channel 10 right now. want to make sure the manual still works...

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needcoffee:

should start in a minute or so.

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coldsteal:

im getting an amd 64 3500 for $75 USD

[01:10:44]

needcoffee:

ok, manual recording works... it changed to channel 4 just fine.

[01:10:56]

needcoffee:

i'll try a scheduled recording next.

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Anduin:

needcoffee: There shouldn't be a difference, I suspect that it is only a matter of time before manual recordings will seem to suddenly fail.

[01:14:15]

needcoffee:

hmmm...

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needcoffee:

Anduin... so have you seen this before?

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Anduin:

needcoffee: Sure, in cases like where the kernel disables the ivtv irq, or some other ivtv problem.

[01:15:56]

needcoffee:

anduin: i'm wondering if i should try upgrading to 0.8.0

[01:16:07]

needcoffee:

running 0.7.0 with R5D1

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Anduin:

needcoffee: 0.8.0 is for 2.6.18 only

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needcoffee:

oops

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needcoffee:

anduin... i've seen posts about peepz downgrading to 0.4.x to fix this issue.

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needcoffee:

anduin... that's downgrading quite a bit!

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Paladine:

Iknow this is not myth related, but I don't suppose anyone in here is a dovecot guru are they?

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defaultro:

evening guys

[01:17:40]

defaultro:

i have question regarding 2200 ohm. Can anyone help please?

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Dagmar:

How can that even be a question

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Anduin:

needcoffee: I went to 0.7.1 yesterday, no major problems yet, of course 0.7 worked fine as well.

[01:18:17]

BULLE:

defaultro: ehm, what about 2200 ohm ?

[01:18:29]

defaultro:

Is there any difference between a 1/4 watt and a 1/2 watt, both are 5% tolerance

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BULLE:

uhm ?

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Dagmar:

defaultro: Not for what you're doing

[01:18:59]

defaultro:

i bought it today at radio shack

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defaultro:

Dagmar, what?

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Paladine:

you are making a serial blaster right?

[01:19:27]

defaultro:

actually, nope

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Dagmar:

defaultro: I'm not explaining it. Take classes if you want to know circuit design.

[01:19:31]

defaultro:

totally unrelated

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defaultro:

Dagmar, ok

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Dagmar:

There is a difference between 1/4 watt and 1/2 watt, OBVIOUSLY

[01:19:57]

defaultro:

Dagmar, I can't just choose then

[01:20:00]

Dagmar:

...but it doesn't matter for what you're doing.

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defaultro:

it's for a motion sensor

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defaultro:

when i bought the device, it came with 2200 ohm resistors but didn't say what the watt was

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defaultro:

i should have studied electronics :(

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defaultro:

I hate myself, i couldn't understand diagrams easily

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needcoffee:

Anduin: what's your setup?

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defaultro:

guys, there is a new series in NBC and it's in HD. It's Heroes. My friend told it to me this morning

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needcoffee:

defaultro, there is definitely a difference between the two.

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needcoffee:

not in resistance, but how much max current you can pass through each.

[01:29:19]

needcoffee:

it may or may not matter for what you're doing though.

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Dagmar:

Damnit I forgot to set the recorder for it

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needcoffee:

Anduin: scheduled recording now worked fine. strange problem.

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needcoffee:

Anduin: maybe i should just put a cron job in to reboot nightly... but then it would be like windows :)

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needcoffee:

Anduin... acutally, just restart mythbackend not reboot :)

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Anduin:

needcoffee: There is really nothing off in dmesg?

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needcoffee:

Anduin... take a look at pastebin. i do see this from dmesg but not at the time of scheduled recordings (i think)

[01:36:16]

jemarcks_:

xris, im having trouble setting up .htaccess for mythweb.

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xris:

jemarcks_: ?

[01:36:43]

jemarcks_:

[Tue Sep 26 20:33:18 2006] [crit] [client 127.0.0.1] configuration error: couldn't check user. No user file?: /mythweb/

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jemarcks_:

[Tue Sep 26 20:33:18 2006] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] File does not exist: /var/www/html/favicon.ico

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jemarcks_:

thats from httpd/error_log

[01:37:27]

jemarcks_:

when i access mythweb i get 500 internal server error

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needcoffee:

Anduin... i might be wrong. I think that message appeared when I tried to change channels (before restarting backend)

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RyeBrye3:

My dell box had sound in Fedora when I installed it – but now it seems to not work... any tips on where I should go to try to get my mobo sound out to work?

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jemarcks_:

xris, i used htpasswd to create /var/www/.htpasswd... then edited /var/www/html/mythweb/.htaccess and uncommented the follwoing...

[01:38:50]

jemarcks_:

AuthType Digest

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jemarcks_:

AuthName "MythTV"

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jemarcks_:

AuthUserFile /var/www/.htpasswd

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jemarcks_:

Require valid-user

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jemarcks_:

BrowserMatch "MSIE" AuthDigestEnableQueryStringHack=On

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jemarcks_:

does thta look ok?

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xris:

jemarcks_: you can't use digest mode with htpasswd

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xris:

you need to use htdigest

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fryfrog:

is there anything I can use to scan an HD mpeg file?

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fryfrog:

myth is seeing this one file as 26min long in the time indicator, but the mythweb shows it 1hr

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jemarcks_:

xris, so AuthType needs to be htdigest?

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fryfrog:

and you can *watch* the full hour

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fryfrog:

jemarcks_: no, just use "htdigest" to re-create your users

[01:41:02]

fryfrog:

or switch to "basic" auth

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jemarcks_:

ohh ok

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fryfrog:

i had that problem like 12 hours ago :)

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fryfrog:

i switcthed to htdigest, it is much stronger encryption

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jemarcks_:

what do i use for realm?

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RyeBrye3:

nm. I fixed my sound

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fryfrog:

of passwords

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fryfrog:

realm doesn't matter, leave it as is

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fryfrog:

oh

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fryfrog:

sorry, i used "mythtv"

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fryfrog:

htdigest seems to store the realm as well as user/pass

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jemarcks_:

fryfrog, so i should use mtdigest -c .htaccess mythtv someusername?

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xris:

jemarcks_: and you need to use htdigest to make the password file

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xris:

what fryfrog said. heh

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jemarcks_:

ok.. leme try that

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fryfrog:

i don't think you need -c

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fryfrog:

I just did like "htdigest /path/to/file user"

[01:43:07]

fryfrog:

i re-used my ".htpasswd" file, but it added 2 new entries for my 2 users

[01:43:13]

fryfrog:

so i went and nuked the old 2 entries in there

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xris:

I think you need -c when you create a new file

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jemarcks_:

do i need to restart httpd?

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jemarcks_:

yes... -c overwrites the pw file

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fryfrog:

no

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fryfrog:

it is in .htaccess, so its "instant" :)

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jemarcks_:

The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.

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jemarcks_:

crap

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fryfrog:

make sure the .htaccess if formatted right

[01:45:26]

fryfrog:

usually that means an unsuported option *or* a mistake

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jemarcks_:

AuthUserFile /var/www/.htpasswd is what i have in .htaccess

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fryfrog:

check your error_log to find out

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jemarcks_:

Tue Sep 26 20:44:51 2006] [crit] [client 127.0.0.1] configuration error: couldn't check user. No user file?: /mythweb/

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jemarcks_:

[Tue Sep 26 20:44:51 2006] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] File does not exist: /var/www/html/favicon.ico

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fryfrog:

AuthDigestFile /var/www/mythtv

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jemarcks_:

should .htpasswd in in /var/www/html/mythweb?

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fryfrog:

"User" to "Digest" :)

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fryfrog:

and make sure its pointing to the right file of course

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fryfrog:

where ever it exists

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jemarcks_:

"user"? where?

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fryfrog:

AuthUserFile

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fryfrog:

AuthDigestFile

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fryfrog:

^ see?

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Dagmar:

I tell people it helps if you actually know what you're doing with Apache, but they never listen

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jemarcks_:

AuthUserFile /var/www/.htpasswd?

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fryfrog:

blah, lemme paste bin you *mine* and you can see it ;p

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jemarcks_:

ok... i think i see. i should ....

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jemarcks_:

substutite AuthUserFile for AuthDigestFile in AuthUserFile /var/www/.htpasswd

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jemarcks_:

???

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fryfrog:

http://pastebin.ca/183626

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Dagmar:

Reminder: AuthDigestFile doesn't work with IE. (LIke anyone is using IE)

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fryfrog:

oh?

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fryfrog:

so that is what...

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fryfrog:

BrowserMatch "MSIE" AuthDigestEnableQueryStringHack=On

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fryfrog:

is for?

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Dagmar:

Prolly so

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kormoc:

it turns on the auth digest enable query string hack

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fryfrog:

bah, ie is for bitches anyway :)

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Dagmar:

I use that to punt MSIE people at a "Your browser is too lame to access this webpage" spoof

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fryfrog:

hehe

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fryfrog:

i wonder if it works in ie7

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Dagmar:

I get lots of reports from otehrwise responsible people that my website is down because they can't read

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fryfrog:

and damnit, is there any way i can do an integrity check on .mpg files?

[01:50:30]

Dagmar:

fryfrog; not really. All you can do is decode them to another file and see if the decoder chokes at some point

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fryfrog:

ah

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jemarcks_:

fryfrog, ok. i updated mine and now it keeps asking me for the password... i just set it

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jemarcks_:

hmmm

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Tronic:

fryfrog: There's a program called mpeg2repair or something like that.

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Tronic:

It should not be used for "repairing", but it can check the MPEG files just fine.

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fryfrog:

why shouldn't it be used for repair?

[01:51:37]

Tronic:

Because it cannot fix the errors.

[01:51:45]

Tronic:

It simply makes the stream look as if it was OK.

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Dagmar:

Probably because lost information is lost information

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fryfrog:

oh :)

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Tronic:

Which means that after that the checking will tell others that the file is OK, which of course isn't the case.

[01:52:17]

fryfrog:

ahhhhhhh

[01:52:22]

Dagmar:

Most of the people who use it are pulling porn down from flaky news servers.

[01:52:24]

Dagmar:

Sad, but true.

[01:52:36]

Dagmar:

They don't mind if a stroke or two goes missing.

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jemarcks_:

fryfrog, ok... so now it wont take my password i just setup. :/

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fryfrog:

try again

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fryfrog:

mine seemed to not work the first time i tried

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fryfrog:

ahahha

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fryfrog:

that is what par is for ;p

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Dagmar:

That and wasting bandwidth

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jemarcks_:

fryfrog, no dice... i did htdigest -c .htpasswd myrealm username

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fryfrog:

what is in that file now?

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jemarcks_:

mythtv:mythtv:a3d12df230d3eb3549a987bc458318a5

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fryfrog:

Maybe the realm needs to match what is in your .htaccess file

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fryfrog:

oh :/

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Dagmar:

heh

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jemarcks_:

looking...

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fryfrog:

make the caps the same

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fryfrog:

"MythTV"

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fryfrog:

that is what mine is

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fryfrog:

you can prolly just change it in your .htpasswd file

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jemarcks_:

AuthName "MythTV" is the realm?

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fryfrog:

yes

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jemarcks_:

TaDaaaaaaaaaaaaaa it worked

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jemarcks_:

realm is case sensitive and must match whats in .htaccess

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jemarcks_:

THANKS

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Dagmar:

More secure or not, this is part of the reason I just use userfile

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jemarcks_:

this should cut down on goggle_bot log entries lol

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fryfrog:

hey, at least no one popped in and nuked your recordings :)

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jemarcks_:

fryfrog, that has happened last spring... sombody would delete recordiings and record cartoons. omg

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fryfrog:

ahahah

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J-e-f-f-A:

Dagmar: Hey, I got my netboot to work *mostly*... It gets the IP and transfers the kernel, but root isn't getting set right as it just sits at "Ready"...

[02:05:44]

Dagmar:

I dont' get what you mean by "Ready"

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J-e-f-f-A:

It just says on the screen, after loading the kernel via vftp, "Ready" that's it...

[02:06:26]

Dagmar:

Hm... no idea where that's coming from

[02:06:36]

J-e-f-f-A:

er.. make that 'tftp'...

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jemarcks_:

now i need to debug a tuner issue.. i cant tune to channels above 12 or else i get noise. for the channels i do get, the picture is crappy.

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jemarcks_:

I have a pvr150 using tuner1 hooked to digital cable straight from the wall.

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J-e-f-f-A:

ie "Loading linuz....." then "Loading itrd.img......" then "Ready." and a blinking cursor on the next line. I think that the NFS root isn't getting passed/set properly... No ideas, eh?

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fryfrog:

what should the *mixer* be set to if you are using "ALSA:default"?

[02:08:46]

Dagmar:

Probably something got left out that tells it to actually mount the filesystem

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J-e-f-f-A:

jemarcks_: You've probably got your frequency table set to the wrong setting. ie – if you're using cable, you've probably got it set to 'broadcast' — Broadcast channels are the same for 1–12, but differ from 13 up...

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Dagmar:

From 14 up they jump to UHF

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J-e-f-f-A:

Dagmar: Yeah, I'm trying to figure it out... I'm pretty close...

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J-e-f-f-A:

jemarcks_: Yea – Dagmar's right... it's 1–13 that are in common — 14 and up are different frequencies for Broadcast vs cable... some are close, but they're not the same.

[02:12:04]

Dagmar:

If we did people would complain that Dropline sucks because they should be allowed to use the password "mysecret" and Slackware always let them before

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Dagmar:

wrong channel

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jemarcks_:

ohhh.. i need to set it to cable ... not broadcast

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jemarcks_:

duh!

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gentoo-user7184:

hey everyone.. I have having a problem with my mythbackend running at 100

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jemarcks_:

mythsetup, here i come.

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gentoo-user7184:

%cpu all the time

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jemarcks_:

get a dual core cpu! ;)

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J-e-f-f-A:

gentoo-user7184: What's your tuner card, and cpu/memory?

[02:13:57]

gentoo-user7184:

hey everyone.. I have having a problem with my mythbackend running at 100% cpu all the time. It starts happening after a period of time i have a pvr 150 and the frontend is closed and there are no job in queue

[02:14:12]

gentoo-user7184:

cpu is an amd 64 3200+ with a gig of ram

[02:14:25]

gentoo-user7184:

mythbackend -v all give me this http://rafb.net/paste/results/SDCPsC91.html

[02:14:30]

J-e-f-f-A:

gentoo-user7184: Well, it's certainly not under-powered... ;-)

[02:15:01]

gentoo-user7184:

from what i can tell the backend is just checking for jobs to be completed

[02:15:30]

gentoo-user7184:

now if i restart the backend it fine again using 0.2% when it completes these checks

[02:15:46]

gentoo-user7184:

but this is only good for awhile until it happens again

[02:16:25]

gentoo-user7184:

i am running kernel 2.6.16 with ivtv .6 and mythtv .20

[02:17:31]

gentoo-user7184:

both the backend and frontend run on the same computer and it is not shared over a network

[02:18:34]

gentoo-user7184:

anyone have any ideas as to the problem behind this?

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gentoo-user7184:

i have gone through my mythtv-setup several times looking for a possible misconfiguration

[02:20:04]

gentoo-user7184:

and have yet to come up with anything

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kormoc:

in top, the cpu percentages at the top, it's not all in the IO one, is it?

[02:21:06]

fryfrog:

anyone know how to set mixer if you are using ALSA:default?

[02:21:17]

kormoc:

the wiki likely knows

[02:21:56]

fryfrog:

it is responding oddly for me :(

[02:22:16]

fryfrog:

the wiki i mean

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nandy__:

are there default scripts for changing channels with irblaster + sa3250?

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jemarcks_:

j-e-f-f-a, i changed the freq to us-cable and now i can get all 120 channels :D

[02:32:58]

jemarcks_:

the picture quality still sucks

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J-e-f-f-A:

jemarcks_: kewl... ;-) Try raising the resolution (unless it's snowy, not 'grainy')

[02:33:47]

jemarcks_:

its 'grainy'

[02:34:05]

jemarcks_:

damn.. all my channel names in the guide say 'Adding Channel xx'

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J-e-f-f-A:

jemarcks_: So raise the resoution. I think it's 480x480 by default. What's your monitor?

[02:34:23]

jemarcks_:

im driving my 32" tv with svideo

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J-e-f-f-A:

jemarcks_: (and video card?)

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jemarcks_:

nnvidia fx5200

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J-e-f-f-A:

jemarcks_: Should be good — try raising the resoution a bit.

[02:35:21]

jemarcks_:

ok.. the resolution setting is where?

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J-e-f-f-A:

jemarcks_: Note – the resoution of the capture card, not of the display.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Settings – tv – recording profiles (iirc)

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jemarcks_:

umm... what file?

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gentoo-user7184:

anyone had this problem before or heard of it happening?

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J-e-f-f-A:

jemarcks_: In the mythtv frontend.

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jemarcks_:

ohhh.. duh... ok

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jemarcks_:

under setup?

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J-e-f-f-A:

gentoo-user7184: Not me... But I'm still running .19 — maybe it's a bug — try the dev group at #mythtv perhaps?

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J-e-f-f-A:

jemarcks_: Yeah — the TV setup – then "Recoring Profiles".

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jemarcks_:

when i setup my capture card, was i susposed to let it scan for channels and listing info?

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J-e-f-f-A:

jemarcks_: Did you setup your zap2it account?

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jemarcks_:

ok.. ill check when wife finishes her show.. .nip/tuck

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jemarcks_:

yes

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J-e-f-f-A:

jemarcks_: Did you run 'mythfilldatabase'?

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jemarcks_:

yes

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J-e-f-f-A:

Well, it should display your channels properly in the guide then... Does it not ?

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jemarcks_:

no, the guide shows 'Adding Channell xx' for each channel (in mythweb)

[02:39:35]

jemarcks_:

maybe i should remove and add the tuner card again and this time do NOT scan for channels and add listing info

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J-e-f-f-A:

jemarcks_: Humm... I'm not sure. >>Maybe<< you need to clear your channels, then re-run mythfilldatabase to clear that up. (((Anyone else please chime in if I'm wrong...)))

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jemarcks_:

how would i 'clear' my channels?

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jemarcks_:

by removing the tuner card?

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jemarcks_:

duno

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J-e-f-f-A:

jemarcks_: by shutting down the backend, then going into mythtv-setup and selecting the opton to clear/erase/delete them (I forget which one it is named), then getting out and running 'mythfilldatabase'. Then the channel listings are taken from zap2it instead of your scan.

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J-e-f-f-A:

jemarcks_: But if you're recording something now, don't do it! ;-) Wait until it's idle...

[02:42:31]

jemarcks_:

its not recording

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jemarcks_:

so, you can clear your channels from setup? hmm

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jemarcks_:

ok.. ill try that. sounds reasonable to me

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J-e-f-f-A:

jemarcks_: I'm pretty sure you can... You can clear the video cards and such, but you don't need to do that, just the channels.

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Dagmar:

Cool. CNN's covering the recent sales on babies in .ro

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Dagmar:

It's good that they're trying to get an economy going

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J-e-f-f-A:

Dagmar: Are you making a purchase? ;-)

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jemarcks_:

ok, ill look and let you know in about 15 min

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Dagmar:

J-e-f-f-A: Nope. I don't even have a cat. Too busy to feed 'em

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J-e-f-f-A:

He he! ;-)

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jemarcks_:

cats can catch their own damn food lol

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Dagmar:

Hmm... prices have gone up since last year. No wonder they're having sales

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gentoo-user7184:

I am just wondering how to apply a patch to an ebuild?

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Dagmar:

$10K for a baby this time. About this time last year, someone from 60 Minutes was buying teenage girls for only a couple K

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J-e-f-f-A:

Dagmar: Do you know the PXE/tftp net boot process well enough to help me figure out what I've got goofed up? in /var/log/messages the last line says "Sep 27 02:31:35 localhost in.tftpd[6890]: tftp: client does not accept options" – any ideas?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Hi xris — how ya doin' tonight?

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xris:

just got home from work. need food. :)

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Dagmar:

J-e-f-f-A: *sounds* like it's saying it tried to pass options down to the booting client and had them ignored

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jemarcks_:

xris, howdy. i got htaccess functional. sweet.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Dagmar: yeah, now to figure out who/what/when... yuck. I guess I'll have to comment out one option at a time to see which one it is...

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jemarcks_:

xris, I am seeing an error from httpd error_log : [client 127.0.0.1] PHP Notice: Undefined index: error_email in /var/www/html/mythweb/includes/init.php on line 45, referer: http://localhost/mythweb/

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xris:

jemarcks_: notice != error

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gentoo-user7184:

i found a patch but i don't know how to add it.. anyone can help me in the right direction on this?

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jemarcks_:

xris, ??

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xris:

jemarcks_: a notice is not an error

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xris:

it's just a notice

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xris:

(not even a warning)

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jemarcks_:

oohhh.. error_email.. nevermind

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jemarcks_:

its getting late.. i need to stop reading log files lol

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xris:

jemarcks_: it's looking for $_SERVER['error_email'] or something like that, and notifying you that the idex doesn't exist in the array.

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jemarcks_:

ah.. gotcha

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xris:

kimo_sabe: that's also a "topic non grata" around here

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kimo_sabe:

xris: oh really? hmm, got a rough date range to check the lists for why?

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xris:

it's too close to breaking the law

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kimo_sabe:

xris: fair enough.

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kimo_sabe:

how about MythPhone not behaving with Asterisk with 0.20? Maybe a Debian/amd64/debian-multimedia.org build error?

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nandy__:

what would cause my channel change script to not be run?

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nandy__:

what would cause the channel changer to send channel numbers like 22200 ?

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nandy__:

channel 2 sends 54000 3 sends 60000

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nandy__:

any ideas?

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nandy__:

hmmm

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** RyeBrye3 just bought a cabled IR receiver from irblaster.info for $19... **

[04:02:57]

** RyeBrye3 also just bought a 128 meg GeForce 6200 video card for $30 **

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** RyeBrye3 thinks that's funny **

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** nandy__ sighs **

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nandy__:

anyone around? :P

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Anduin:

nandy__: look at your channel table

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nandy__:

in mythtv setup?

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Weezey:

RyeBrye3: supply and demand.

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RyeBrye3:

Yeah, I know... It is just funny to me :)

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Anduin:

nandy__: I was thinking DB table, but sure

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nandy__:

what db table is it?

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Anduin:

nandy__: oddly 'channek'

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Anduin:

er l

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digi_:

is mythtv just really buggy where some stuff just doesn't work, because i'm having serious issues with it

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rever:

Can somone pls help me I am trying to cut out the commercials. I have flagged them and loaded the cut list to make sure they are correct. However they will not transcode. When I go to info center and queu it is always red and failed.

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kimo_sabe:

digi_: what sort of issues?

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digi_:

whenever i record something it never transcodes, so the files stay huge, on top of that the commercials are still there...theonly way for me to get rid of them is by doing it manually (e z e)

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rever:

digi_, I am not able to transcode either. I can load a cutlist like you but after that it will not transcode to shrink the file.

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kimo_sabe:

digi_: hmm, no idea. I'm leaving things as the MPEG2 from the PVR cards and not cutting comercials

[04:24:42]

digi_:

yeah, well i've set it to "auto transcode" but it never does...

[04:24:49]

digi_:

it flags the commercials

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digi_:

but then i have to load something called a cutlist each time i watch it so it skips the commercials

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rever:

What version are you using and what distro?

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digi_:

gentoo 0.20

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rever:

I am using .19 and Ubuntu Dapper. Same issue as you.

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digi_:

k so it's not just me...

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Captain_Murdoch:

digi_: you have to enable auto transcode on the scheduled recording and on the recording profile

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digi_:

Captain_Murdoch: i did

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rever:

Same here

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ServerSage:

So I'm still having a problem in .20 where if I am watching something that is currently being recorded, and I fast forward to the point of watching it [almost] live, it jumps back to the menu. Does anybody have a clue?

[04:26:23]

digi_:

and for the commercial thing, i even added flags to mythcommflag and mythtranscode

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digi_:

such as mythcommflag --gencutlist

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digi_:

and mythtranscode --honorcutlist

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digi_:

but it records, keeps the original mpg, and that's it

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Captain_Murdoch:

you added flags where?

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Captain_Murdoch:

or you ran it manually?

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digi_:

i added flags in the setup

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digi_:

to mythcommflag and mythtranscode

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nandy__:

ok all my feqids are fubared

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digi_:

Captain_Murdoch: ok in my encode mpeg2 profile i have it set to auto-transcode after recording, and in the transcode high quality profile i have it set to mpeg-4 and all that....so when i record and choose both those profiles when prompted, nothing ever happens

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Captain_Murdoch:

you can't just put "mythtranscode --honorcutlist" in that field, it won't work.

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digi_:

well mythtranscode was already there

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Captain_Murdoch:

I know. I wrote that code. :)

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digi_:

oh...ok

[04:30:22]

Captain_Murdoch:

the help text says that "mythtranscode" has special meaning.

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digi_:

well i guess i'm glad i'm talking to you

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digi_:

oh ok i will remove

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digi_:

i was playing around

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digi_:

cuz nothing else works :(

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Captain_Murdoch:

you can't auto-transcode and cut commercials. if your only goal is to skip commercials automatically just turn on auto-skip. if you're transcoding to save space, you need to copy the skip list to the cutlist first then transcode manually. there is no built-in way to auto-transcode and cut the commercials out at the same time.

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digi_:

oh

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Captain_Murdoch:

some people have written wrapper scripts that can be used to auto-transcode and cut the commercials out. that's part of the reason I added the ability in 0.20 to specify your own command for auto-flagging and auto-transcoding.

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digi_:

ok well let's back up then

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Dagmar:

...cuz that makes the lawyerfish all frothy.

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digi_:

ok say my only goal is to skip commercials automatically

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Captain_Murdoch:

no, cause the flagger isn't 100% accurate, so we make people go out of their way to cut automatically. :)

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digi_:

i need to turn on auto skip?

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Dagmar:

"OMG THEY R IGNORING OUR COMMERSHUL MESSGES!"

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Captain_Murdoch:

digi_: yes, just turn on auto-skip.

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digi_:

where is that setting

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Captain_Murdoch:

in the playback settings in mythfrontend

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Dagmar:

Auto skip can make you feel a bit stony-wony sometimes

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Dagmar:

The screen will blip and you're "whoa... when did she have a kid?"

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Captain_Murdoch:

there's 3 values, auto-skip off, auto-skip on, and 'notify' (where it just notifies you how long the commercial is so you can skip manually)

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digi_:

blank frame detection right?

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Dagmar:

I l0vx0r notify

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Captain_Murdoch:

use 'ALL' unless you have problems with it. it is the best flagger I think.

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Dagmar:

It never misses commercials that I've seen

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Captain_Murdoch:

I don't trust the flagger enough to use auto-skip though, and I wrote the code. it's not that much trouble to hit 'Z' and 'Q' if it goes too far.

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Dagmar:

False positives are another matter.

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digi_:

hrmmm i already have it set to automatically skip

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Captain_Murdoch:

it works for most shows I watch, been doing better lately now that I record more stuff off of HD.

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Captain_Murdoch:

digi_: well, if you replaced the mythcommflag command with "mythcommflag --gencutlist" in mythtv-setup, then you weren't flagging at all.

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digi_:

no no even before that

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digi_:

it was set to auto

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Captain_Murdoch:

so maybe it doesn't detect well enough with what you record. where are you at?

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digi_:

washington state

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digi_:

jsut east of seattle

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digi_:

using comcast cable

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Captain_Murdoch:

ok, so it should be working ok for you.

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Captain_Murdoch:

doesn't work so well in some countries. that's why I ask.

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digi_:

i just set it to all available methods

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ShockValue:

man, i already have a bad taste for comcast in my mouth after just day 1 of "the worlds most complicated installation"

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ShockValue:

you know.. two HD boxes and a cable modem... real tough, so it seems

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digi_:

Captain_Murdoch: so in my recording profiles

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digi_:

anything in particular i should ensure is set?

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Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, that's better. blank-frame doesn't do as well as ALL in my opinion. blank-frame was the orignal method that I wrote about 4 years ago and I've enhanced it a little, but most effort goes into the ALL method. there is also a new flagger in 0.20 I think that you can test if you want.

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Captain_Murdoch:

'allow auto-transcode' is the setting I think.

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Captain_Murdoch:

or something like that. it's on the first page or two from what I recall.

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digi_:

so when i record to i select auto transcode

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digi_:

or leave that blank?

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Captain_Murdoch:

set to auto-transcode.

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digi_:

so set it once in the recording profile and then another time when scheduling the recording?

[04:39:57]

Captain_Murdoch:

the recording profile says allow things that are recorded with this profile to auto-transcode. the scheduled recording says allow this program to auto-transcode. so if I have The A-Team setup to auto-transcode, and I have auto-transcode on on my HD card but off on my ivtv card, if the A-Team recordings on HD it will auto-transcode, but it won't auto-transcode if it records on the low-def ivtv card.

[04:40:15]

Captain_Murdoch:

both have to be on for auto-transcode to occur.

[04:41:24]

sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: Do you have a couple of minutes to suggest your preferred approach for fixing an issue (that occurs before the part we've already discussed) in the truncate and delete code? (Will probably involve looking at current code.)

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Anduin:

nandy__: analog channel scan?

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digi_:

Captain_Murdoch: k im testing out the commercial flagging, but how do i manually transcode afterwards seen as u said earlier it doesn't do it automatically

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Captain_Murdoch:

after you copy the skip list to the cutlist, you can manually transcode via the INFO popup menu on the Watch Recordings screen. if you're just trying to skip commercials you don't need to do that though, only reason to transcode and cut is if you want to save space.

[04:45:59]

Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, sure. I saw the messages earlier about the cifs mount and st_size = 0 or whatever...

[04:46:07]

sphery:

yeah.

[04:46:19]

sphery:

Basically, jwestfall, janneg, and Chutt helped me to figure out that for some filesystems (CIFS) the fstat call fails immediately after a file is unlinked--even when the file is still open.

[04:46:36]

Captain_Murdoch:

makes sense

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sphery:

so we get an invalid stat structure (with 0 for st_size)

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sphery:

We're currently relying on that st_size to determine the filesize for truncating

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sphery:

after the file is unlinked--when it's no longer valid.

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digi_:

Captain_Murdoch: ok but to skip commercials automatically i should just have to do nothing if the settings are correct right, i shouldn't have to do e z e manually?

[04:47:40]

Captain_Murdoch:

digi_: yes, if you have auto-skip on, they should skip if they were detected.

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digi_:

k well i did...never worked, hope it works this time

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Captain_Murdoch:

sphery: so you going to just pass the size in to TruncateAndClose()?

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sphery:

You're waaaayyy to fast...

[04:49:49]

sphery:

(Or I'm too slow)

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Captain_Murdoch:

digi_: you can verify the skip list is good by going into the editor or by using "mythcommflag --getskiplist"

[04:50:18]

sphery:

Chutt recommended (without looking at the code) doing the unlink after the fstat

[04:50:52]

sphery:

But after looking at the code, that seemed a bad apporach because it requires a pretty major reordering of code due to the locks.

[04:51:06]

Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, I'm not sure if he's look at that code in a while to know how it's been broken apart. we used to not even do deletes in a separate thread when I first started working on Myth.

[04:51:06]

sphery:

So, I was thinking about passing the size to TruncateAndDelete

[04:51:27]

sphery:

Right...

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Captain_Murdoch:

and you're going to get rid of those extra increment and fsize calculations in the process?

[04:53:05]

sphery:

But, to pass the size, I'd either have to open it in MainServer::DoDeleteThread() just before fd = DeleteFile(ds->filename, followLinks); or pass the size (and fd) back from MainServer::DeleteFile()

[04:53:22]

sphery:

Which would have to get it from OpenAndUnlink

[04:53:35]

sphery:

Neither looks good to me, so I was hoping for your preferred approach.

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sphery:

Yes. I'll gut the block size section of the code.

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Captain_Murdoch:

seems OK to just fstat right before the file is opened inside MainServer::DoDeleteThread

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Captain_Murdoch:

nevermind, missspoke

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sphery:

Yeah, that gets ugly because of the whole symlink issue and stuff...

[04:55:01]

sphery:

(that DeleteFile takes care of)

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nandy__:

how do i tell mythtv to send the chan number and not the frequence

[04:55:28]

nandy__:

frequency even

[04:55:42]

sphery:

nandy__: put a channel number in the freqid field

[04:55:51]

Captain_Murdoch:

you could just use a QFileInfo::size() inside DoDeleteThread.

[04:55:55]

nandy__:

nothing does that automagically

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sphery:

And the Offset works for large files?

[04:56:47]

** sphery hopes **

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sphery:

nandy__: Depending on how you create your channels, the freqid is either populated with frequency in kHz or channel number based on some standard frequency table

[04:57:23]

Captain_Murdoch:

actually. you have a QFile checkFile it uses an off_t for the size, you could store that and pass it in.

[04:58:09]

sphery:

If yours currently are set to frequencies, you'll need to change them to channel numbers if that's what you want. Do so in the channel editor in mythtv-setup or in MythWeb.

[04:58:48]

sphery:

So, QT's Offset is off_t (at least with how we compile)?

[04:59:06]

Captain_Murdoch:

not sure actually. thought I read off_t, but see it is Offset now.

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nandy__:

Spida: where in -setup can i tell it to populate the table with channums?

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sphery:

I couldn't figure out how to figure out what Offset is defined as... Maybe have to dig through QT headers...

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Captain_Murdoch:

#if defined(QT_ABI_QT4)

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Captain_Murdoch:

typedef Q_LLONG Offset;

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Captain_Murdoch:

#else

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Captain_Murdoch:

typedef Q_ULONG Offset;

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Captain_Murdoch:

#endif

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sphery:

Just about to type that in

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Captain_Murdoch:

qiodevice.h

[05:01:08]

Captain_Murdoch:

:)

[05:01:11]

sphery:

(didn't want to flood ;)

[05:01:38]

Captain_Murdoch:

figured 5 lines was only minor street flooding.

[05:01:51]

Captain_Murdoch:

so that's no good.

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sphery:

Yeah. Spilled over the curbs, no probs.

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nandy__:

Spida: i have like channel 0 – 1000 that should all have frequencies 0–1000 can mythtv set that up or do i ahve to write a script to populate the db?

[05:03:05]

sphery:

nandy__: how did you get your channels into Myth's database? DataDirect? Channel scan?

[05:03:33]

nandy__:

sphery: dont remmeber but i just deleted them all

[05:03:50]

nandy__:

whats the right way for my situation?

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sphery:

nandy__: where in the world are you? US?

[05:04:02]

nandy__:

aye

[05:04:13]

nandy__:

Channel Freq Table: Default

[05:04:23]

nandy__:

Data Direct Lineup: Time Warner Cable + 92126

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sphery:

DataDirect. somethng about Fetch channel listings from data provider in mythtv-setup

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nandy__:

retrieve lineups?

[05:04:44]

sphery:

Should put in channel numbers automatically instead of frequencies

[05:04:53]

sphery:

You'll have to retrieve first

[05:05:02]

sphery:

Then choose a lineup, then fetch channels.

[05:05:27]

nandy__:

EIT Scan?

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sphery:

I highly recommend deleting all your video sources first (with the Delete All button in mythtv-setup) or you're likely to leave cruft behind that will mess things up

[05:05:34]

sphery:

No scans.

[05:05:41]

sphery:

If it says scan, don't touch it. :)

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nandy__:

ok

[05:05:50]

nandy__:

i selected my lineup

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nandy__:

now i just hit next?

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nandy__:

oh Channel Freq Table: Default

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sphery:

First do a Delete All on the video sources to start clean

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nandy__:

is that correct?

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sphery:

Otherwise, it's not a good test.

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nandy__:

ok deleted

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sphery:

Ok, now create one, then type user/password

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nandy__:

done

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sphery:

then retrieve lineups

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nandy__:

done

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sphery:

Select the appropriate one.

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nandy__:

done

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Captain_Murdoch:

sphery: I almost wonder if just doing a open(), fstat(), close() right before we call DeleteFile() would be cleaner than having to return the size from OpenAndUnlink and from DeleteFile().

[05:08:37]

sphery:

Is there a button labeled "Fetch channels from listings source"

[05:09:12]

nandy__:

Perform EIT Scan?

[05:09:19]

sphery:

nandy__: nope

[05:09:46]

nandy__:

is it under a different menu?

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sphery:

one sec nandy__

[05:10:10]

nandy__:

found it

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nandy__:

sweet!

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nandy__:

was under the input editor

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Captain_Murdoch:

sphery: scratch that. just do it how I did it in MainServer::HandleQueryRecordings() around line 1238 in svn head.

[05:12:25]

Captain_Murdoch:

just do that stat(filename, &st) call before DeleteFile and store the result of st.st_size.

[05:12:29]

Captain_Murdoch:

no need to open the file

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sphery:

will that work for a symlink?

[05:12:44]

Captain_Murdoch:

should, we're using it now.

[05:12:46]

sphery:

Won't stat give the length of the path in the symlink?

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nandy__:

sphery: sweet now one more thing if i may — right now the image is in 4:3 how can i strech it to fit into my hd tv?

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Captain_Murdoch:

lstat is identical to stat, except in the case of a symbolic link,

[05:13:16]

Captain_Murdoch:

where the link itself is stat-ed, not the file that it refers to.

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sphery:

nandy__: w, I think

[05:13:29]

Captain_Murdoch:

from "man 2c stat"

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nandy__:

sphery: perfect can i default to that?

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sphery:

aspect ratio override

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nandy__:

there is a 1inch black gap on the left can i setup an offset?

[05:15:28]

sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: The value st_size gives the size of the file (if it is a regular file or a symlink) in bytes. The size of a symlink is the length of the pathname it contains, without trailing NUL.

[05:15:33]

sphery:

same page

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sphery:

I'll do a test...

[05:16:04]

sphery:

With yours, it may mean it works.

[05:16:14]

Captain_Murdoch:

right, but if you use stat(), it gives you the info about the file, if you use lstat(), it gives you info about the link.

[05:16:41]

sphery:

Wasn't sure which way to read it.

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Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, stat() gives the file size

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Captain_Murdoch:

confirmed with a test program.

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nandy__:

sphery: seperate videomodes for playback, gui 1280x720, tv 1280x720 aspect 16:9

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sphery:

Was just running mine.

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nandy__:

i have that set but notning

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch types too fast...

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Captain_Murdoch:

already have the shell of one in my home dir for testing other things, just needed to edit a few lines, compile and run. :)

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sphery:

I deleted a good shell after I finished the last truncate patch.

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sphery:

I'll code that up and submit the patch.

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sphery:

Thanks for the suggestions. I like that approach, too.

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sphery:

Not too bad and much less intrusive than the other options I saw.

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Captain_Murdoch:

I forgot that's how I did it in MainServer::HandleQueryRecordings() when we started storing the filesize in the DB.

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Captain_Murdoch:

gotta run, assign it to me if you want and I'll get it in tomorrow.

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sphery:

thx

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nandy__:

sphery: nvm found it i keep going to the wrong menus

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sphery:

nandy__: Glad you got it. Sorry I've been distracted. Didn't want to take too much of Chris's time (since he's one of the main devs).

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nandy__:

no worries

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nandy__:

i got the 16:9 trying to get the offset now

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sphery:

nandy__: ofset?

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nandy__:

the tv image

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nandy__:

is too far to the right

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sphery:

too far left or right or something?

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nandy__:

aye

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fuffal0:

is it a good idea to use mirrored drives for a mythtv setup

[05:29:57]

sphery:

so you have a black bar on the left?

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fuffal0:

or will that slow down performance

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nandy__:

i set Scan Displacement to -50 but that did nothing

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nandy__:

sphery: correct

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sphery:

fuffal0: lot of threads about it on the list (and I know nothing about RAID)

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sphery:

nandy__: what if you specify a crop filter ( http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-10.html#ss10.4 ) of 0:1:0;0

[05:34:00]

nandy__:

sphery: isnt this what scan displacement should fix?

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sphery:

fuffal0: check out http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/226215#226215 and http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/223174#223174

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sphery:

nandy__: yes and no. Scan displacement moves the image, but it's possible that your image contains a black bar.

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sphery:

Is it digital TV or analog?

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fuffal0:

thanks, one more quick question, i'm reading the walkthrough on abarbaccia, and it mentions getting an irblaster. Do i need to do this if i purchase a pvr-250 (with remote)?

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nandy__:

sphery: dig

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sphery:

You only need an IR blaster if you want to transmit signals--i.e. to change the channel on a STB like a satellite or cable receiver.

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nandy__:

sphery: the imagine is obviously shifted off the screen because the channel logo is off and the black bar is the same on all chans

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nandy__:

and an offset of -50 had no effect

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sphery:

nandy__: OK, then scan displacement is probably more correct.

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fuffal0:

sphery, i have "digital cable" so it's like...a receiver...for cable... ;p

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nandy__:

or displacement of -50 i should say

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sphery:

fuffal0: you'll need to either user an IR transmitter (either a blaster or a transmitter) or serial control or firewire control.

[05:38:24]

sphery:

For digital cable, firewire control is the most-likely-to-exist option other than IR control.

[05:38:33]

sphery:

But, only some cable boxes support that.

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nandy__:

yah the scan displacement isnt moving up or dow

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sphery:

nandy__: I've never used that before.

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nandy__:

:(

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sphery:

Do you have overscan set for your video drivers?

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nandy__:

where do i check

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sphery:

If so, it's possible there's interference between the two settings.

[05:39:43]

sphery:

In your modeline or with nvsettings or something.

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sphery:

If you don't know, though, you probably don't.

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nandy__:

sphery: im using hdmi output into the tv

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nandy__:

not sure if that matters

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sphery:

Hmmmm. I don't know why it would be offset.

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sphery:

Is the TV doing scaling?

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sphery:

My TV (67" 1080p Samsung) takes any PC input and scales it to take up only 90% of the viewable area so the Windows users can see their start bar.

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sphery:

I had to scale that so that the image was unscaled to get the right size.

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nandy__:

not using the pc input

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nandy__:

using hdmi

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sphery:

But PC input is just one example.

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sphery:

Every TV is different.

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sphery:

Is your menu showing up from edge to edge?

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nandy__:

yes

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nandy__:

but i set up offsets for that

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sphery:

negative offsets?

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nandy__:

for the menu?

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sphery:

yeah

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nandy__:

1204x674 off x: 36 off y: 14

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sphery:

OK, so positive offset to compensate for overscanning by the TV.

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sphery:

That's good.

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sphery:

Did you enable Use GUI size for TV playback

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sphery:

If so, disable it.

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nandy__:

i just turned it on

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nandy__:

let me turn it off (it had no effect)

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nandy__:

no change

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sphery:

Hmmm.

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Rince:

Morning

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sphery:

Did you set Separate video modes for GUI and TV playback?

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sphery:

Again, probably don't want it.

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nandy__:

no

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sphery:

Hmmm.

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sphery:

I don't know what would cause it.

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sphery:

I guess you're probably just as well off doing the trial and error thing on your own. Sorry I wasn't any help.

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nandy__:

hmm

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nandy__:

np

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nandy__:

thanks for the other help though :)

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nandy__:

thats interesting

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sphery:

find it?

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nandy__:

chaning the gui offsets fix the tv

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nandy__:

wonder why

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sphery:

changing them to 0?

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nandy__:

well i went to 25

[05:49:45]

nandy__:

going to 20 now

[05:50:01]

nandy__:

yup

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nandy__:

its shifting the image

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sphery:

And you're not using GUI Size for TV Playback...

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nandy__:

right

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sphery:

What happens when you restart Myth with the GUI size for TV off and the GUI offsets where you want them?

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nandy__:

menu is wonky and off screen

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sphery:

But it was good before with those offsets?

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nandy__:

it was better

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nandy__:

still had some of the info offf screen

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nandy__:

set it to 1280x720 with 0 offsets

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nandy__:

lets see how the tv looks now

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nandy__:

now the image is a bit large but fills up the screen

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nandy__:

looks like its using gui for tv info

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sphery:

Hmmm.

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sphery:

May want to leaev it like than and adjust the video card's overscan.

[05:55:28]

sphery:

NVIDIA card?

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nandy__:

yes

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sphery:

If so, try nvidia-settings

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nandy__:

6200

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sphery:

If you use that, you'll need to put a call in your X start script that runs it everytime X starts and says to restore settings only.

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sphery:

nvidia-settings --load-config-only

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nandy__:

i have that

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nandy__:

where do i change overscan in here

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sphery:

Don't know. I've never used it.

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nandy__:

k

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nandy__:

when i used svideo instead of hdmi my X desktop also wasnt larger than the screen (it is in hdmi) maybe i should switch back to svid

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sphery:

S-Video uses NTSC. It would be awful resolution.

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sphery:

Stay with HDMI.

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nandy__:

:( i know

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nandy__:

okay

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nandy__:

here is more info

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sphery:

It's worth it once you get it working.

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nandy__:

when i have the mythtv overlays on

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nandy__:

like 10:50 PM

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nandy__:

the PM is off screen

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sphery:

OK, OSD's

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nandy__:

my osd locks up mythtv atm :)

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nandy__:

but the overlays work

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sphery:

Yeah. I've heard there are issues with scaling OSD's for aspect ratio overrides...

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sphery:

Don't know what you mean by overlays, then...

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nandy__:

uhm

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nandy__:

i hit 2

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nandy__:

it goes to channel 2

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nandy__:

top left overlay is "2"

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Dagmar:

underlay, underlay!

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Dagmar:

Arriba!

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nandy__:

top right overlay is "Time"

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nandy__:

where Time is 11:02 PM

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nandy__:

i see 11:02 <Half a P>

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sphery:

That's an On-Screen Display (OSD). You probably mean your Electronic Program Guide (EPG) locks up Myth?

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nandy__:

sphery: yes

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sphery:

OK.

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nandy__:

so okay OSD

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nandy__:

in anycase behaves as i described

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sphery:

Yeah. OSD's are working for you.

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sphery:

The scaling, though is causing problems because of the overscan.

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sphery:

right?

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nandy__:

i need to seperate out tv scaling from menu scaling

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nandy__:

yes

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sphery:

cut off by the edge of the TV, not cut off for lack of room?

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sphery:

Once you compensate, you should be able to see everything pretty well.

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sphery:

Hard part is finding the right combination of settings to compensate for overscan

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nandy__:

well

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nandy__:

i already did that

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nandy__:

for the menu

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nandy__:

the menu used to look stupid

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sphery:

because you have to use settings on the TV, the video drivers, /and/ Myth.

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nandy__:

half the text / buttons were chooped off

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nandy__:

now i need seperate settings for tv mode

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sphery:

On the bright side, there's only like a million permutations to try...

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nandy__:

setting my GuiOffsetX to -50 brought the right hand side of the TV image into view

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nandy__:

okay

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nandy__:

i kinda see whats up

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sphery:

You have scan displacement back at 0, right?

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nandy__:

GuiWidth and GuiHeight do not effect TV imagine, GuiOffsetX/Y do

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nandy__:

imagine = image

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nandy__:

wow im tired

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sphery:

That could be. I don't know if it's by design--I have all of mine set to 0. :)

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nandy__:

:(

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nandy__:

okay

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nandy__:

cool

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nandy__:

overscane % changes stuff

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ShockValue:

hehe, cool.. thought i would set up my mythweb in style, so i reg'd a domain name and will put it up :)

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ShockValue:

http://DeadPla.net

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[mbm]:

is qam support usually buggy?

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Dagmar:

Oh sweet. SciFi is showing Heroes on Fridays

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radi0head:

Can anybody help me with my new PVR-150 ? I am running the latest 2.6.18 kernel release with a custom .config and ivtv-0.8.0 and when I try to load the ivtv module, I get this: http://pastebin.ca/183764

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radi0head:

BTW, I have: Automatic kernel module loading (CONFIG_KMOD) / Video For Linux (CONFIG_VIDEO_DEV) / I2C support (CONFIG_I2C) / Enable Video For Linux API 1 compatible Layer (CONFIG_VIDEO_V4L1_COMPAT) / cx25840 and wm8775 in my kernel. Some as modules, some as built in.

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sphery:

radi0head: Your module is compiled for the wrong kernel version.

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radi0head:

/usr/include/linux must be a symlink to the current kernel's include/linux directory. <- I read that on http://ivtvdriver.org's HOWTO, Does it really matters? because It's not a symlink here.

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sphery:

Can't really help more than that.

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radi0head:

sphery; I just compiled it, for 2.6.18, hmm. I don't have any other kernel versions.

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radi0head:

Let me try to uninstall it and recompile it, brb.

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radi0head:

sphery; I have more clues now. SOme weird stuff while doing make, and for some reason, it lists the same stuff as in my dmesg. http://pastebin.ca/183766

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radi0head:

The WARNING part that is.

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radi0head:

Maybe I should try the svn.

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radi0head:

Yes! svn doesn't even build. hehe.

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radi0head:

/home/freakshow/ivtv/driver/ivtv-ioctl.c:977: error: structure has no member named `type'

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radi0head:

and c:981

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radi0head:

I guess it's broken today.

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radi0head:

Any clues about those warnings? They seem to be related to my problem.

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radi0head:

I'll try to use: [*] Enable Video For Linux API 1 (DEPRECATED) instead of the compatible layer.

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radi0head:

Brb rebooting.

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radi0head:

Same thing using the deprecated API.

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radi0head:

Is there anyone here who succesfully compiled ivtc-0.8.0 (kernel-2.6.18) without WARNINGS ?

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[mbm]:

...

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radi0head:

[mbm]; I have a problem inserting the ivtv module on 2.6.18.

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[mbm]:

radi0head: I don't think you'l get any answers here

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radi0head:

[mbm]; Are you using kernel-2.6.18 with ivtv?

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radi0head:

[mbm]; How come?

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[mbm]:

nope

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[mbm]:

why am I not using that software combination or why don't I think you'll get answers?

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radi0head:

The latter.

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[mbm]:

nobody around here seems willing or capable of answering questions

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Agrajag-:

maybe the problem is the questions

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[mbm]:

perhaps

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[mbm]:

there is a relative obscurity to all of this

[07:02:49]

radi0head:

Agrajag-; Yeah, I can't find my pastebin.ca post I did earlier. Can you scroll up and tell me please?

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[mbm]:

but even the devel channel seems to suffer from the same

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radi0head:

Nevermind, I'll do make again.

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[mbm]:

radi0head: wish I could help but I came here with problems of my own to solve

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[mbm]:

and I'm getting the distinct feeling that nobody here has ever dealt with digital cable

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radi0head:

Agrajag-; http://pastebin.ca/183774 This is while doing make, I get those same errors while doing "make install" and this is when I try to insert the ivtv module + dmesg: http://pastebin.ca/183777

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radi0head:

s/errors/warnings

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[mbm]:

radi0head: go figure out where those unknown symbols are supposed to be comming from

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[mbm]:

should be exported by another module or the kernel, if it was from another module then depmod/modprobe should load the modules in the correct order to avoid that

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Dagmar:

radi0head: Build *all* the v4l2 stuff as modules. Don't make any of it a part of the onolithic kernel.

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Dagmar:

er monolithic

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radi0head:

Define "all"

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radi0head:

I'll tell you what I have.

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Dagmar:

...and that better be ivtv 0.8.0 if you're trying it with 2.6.18

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radi0head:

INdeed.

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radi0head:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ivtv/users/32144

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radi0head:

I think that's the solution to my problem.

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Dagmar:

All as in particularly I think you left out the stuff under encoders and decoders

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[mbm]:

if the kernel is exporting symbols correctly it shouldn't matter if it's in the kernel or not

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radi0head:

Dagmar; I have videodev, wm8775 and cx25840 as modules.

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Dagmar:

Yeah well if you build something directly into the kernel, it's symbols do not get exported

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[mbm]:

Dagmar: um, that's sort of what the EXPORT_SYMBOL() macro is for ;)

[07:31:30]

radi0head:

Dagmar; Check the link I pasted, that guy got the same errors as me.

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Dagmar:

Well, I'd say use 0.7.1 and the last 2.6.17.x kernel for now then unless you have something that you MUST have in 2.6.18

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Dagmar:

[mbm]: yeah whatever. Tell it to the entire USB subsystem

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Dagmar:

There's TONS of stuff that screws up like that if you build half of it in and half of it out of the kernel.

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[mbm]:

sure, the trick is knowing how to fix it without resorting to kludges ;)

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radi0head:

I usually go with modules when I can.

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Dagmar:

I need food. I'll take a crack at sorting it later, but you don't need to make a symlink to get those kernel include files

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radi0head:

Dagmar; K, i'll keep on reading.

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Dagmar:

You can just dork with the Makefiles for ivtv a bit and make it look in /usr/src/linux/include/linux

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radi0head:

Dagmar; Talk to ya later on.

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[mbm]:

radi0head: poke around (or grep) an see if you can figure out where those cx2341x functions are supposed to be

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radi0head:

I think I got it! Time to test now.

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radi0head:

Basically (and I'll update the README as well) you must turn on all

[07:37:53]

radi0head:

modules in Device Drivers, Multimedia devices, Video Capture Adapters,

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radi0head:

Encoders and Decoders. Most distros probably don't turn them all on by

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radi0head:

default. In this case all missing symbols are from the 'Conexant

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radi0head:

CX2341x MPEG encoders' module.

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[mbm]:

:)

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jblack:

Morning guys.

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jblack:

I have some stuff that's transcoded and some that's not. How can I tell which is which?

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jblack:

Is there some way that's more authoritive than ballparking the filesize?

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xris:

w00t. high res h.264 ipod export from nuvexport. :)

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xris:

jblack: depends on your transcode settings, but if you just use the lossless stuff, not really any way to tell

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jblack:

I'm using lossy transcoding.

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jblack:

I'm changing resolution and quality levels.

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jblack:

I'm doing it for some programs so that long term storage won't be too painful, and for others so that my daughter's ailing laptop with old hardware can render.

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xris:

jblack: then they're proabaly .nuv files instead of .mpg

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jblack:

Hmm.I would think that if the filesystem size changed, that it wasn't a lossless operation.

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Dagmar:

jblack: ACtually, `file filname` should tell you

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Dagmar:

*usually* it reports the codec

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Dagmar:

Sometimes anyway

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jblack:

trying

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jblack:

Not this file. Its possibly too old.

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Dagmar:

Well, that or it's a type that doesn't have magic bytes that file can fondle

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DGnome:

heyho! Was there an internal movieplayer in svn?

[08:02:25]

sphery:

DGnome: and in 0.20 and all previous versions...

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sphery:

Are you talking about MythVideo playback, specifically?

[08:02:54]

jblack:

I'm using two here. "LiveTV" is using RTjpeg at 480x368 with a quality of 96. And I'm transcoding some things (like documentaries and cartoons) to low quality, which is RJjpeg 160x160 , quality 10. (can that be right?!?, I'll check)

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sphery:

The MythVideo Internal player (case sensitive) works much better in 0.20 than in previous versions.

[08:03:44]

jblack:

So far, the only way I can tell them apart is to look at the play lengh in select a recording to watch, then looking at recording details to get filesize, and doing some adhoc math.

[08:04:21]

jblack:

I'm talking about the live recording stuff. I don't have working mythvideo stuff, as ubuntu has a myth0.20 core and mythvideo 0.18.

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DGnome:

sphery: how do I enable it? right now it's using mplayer...

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Juski:

160x160? what's that for, a mobile phone?

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jblack:

For laptops. I have two use cases. Documentaries for me that I'd like to keep around forever for reference, and for non-valuable stuff like cartoons for the kid. Her laptop has overheating problems and a crappy orinoco 802.11b.

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radi0head:

[mbm]; Dagmar; I got most of my problem fixed refering to this thread: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ivtv/users/32144 by enabling the module cx2341x in the kernel. All the warnings about cx2341x are gone, the only ones left are tveeprom_hauppauge_analog and tveeprom_read.

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[mbm]:

now you just need to figure out where the tveeprom functions are

[08:17:16]

radi0head:

[mbm]; I grepped the entire ivtv-0.8.0 dir recursively for tveeprom and found this: http://pastebin.ca/183805

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radi0head:

It seems to be in the kernel's I2C support.

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radi0head:

Take a look at: driver/ivtv-driver.c

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radi0head:

tveeprom_read(&itv->i2c_client, eedata, sizeof(eedata));

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radi0head:

tveeprom_hauppauge_analog(&itv->i2c_client, tv, eedata);

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[mbm]:

that's the function call

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radi0head:

yep

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[mbm]:

the actual function is somewhere else

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radi0head:

k

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radi0head:

let me browse the file.

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[mbm]:

and the modprobe is complaining because it doesn't know where that function is — module can't use it

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Dagmar:

[mbm]: I wouldn't bad-mouth the orinoco_cs until you've actually seen what a pain in the ass OTHER chipsets are

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[mbm]:

Dagmar: huh?

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radi0head:

Atheros !

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Dagmar:

nevermind that was directed at jblack

[08:20:04]

** radi0head loves atheros chips **

[08:20:25]

** [mbm] has seen atheros code .. painful, but less painful than some others **

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jblack:

dagmar: Its not orinoco_cs, but the third party implementation.

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radi0head:

At least madwifi-ng can sniff packets while reinjecting to crack encryptions so you don't need 2 card, running the aircrack suite :D

[08:22:23]

jblack:

Addtron Technology (long since out of business I think) had a habit of poorly designing the layout. The card has a habit of self-resets when under heavy load.

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[mbm]:

radi0head: right, ebcause there are so many legitimate uses for that ;)

[08:22:52]

radi0head:

[mbm]; Sure, pentesting

[08:23:11]

radi0head:

[mbm]; Securing your own networks etc..

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** [mbm] deals with tons of script kiddies on a daily basis who think that pentesting is any attack, even without permission **

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radi0head:

Man I can't find which modules are needed for tveeprom_hauppauge_analog and tveeprom_read. Argh!

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[mbm]:

radi0head: you're on ubuntu?

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radi0head:

[mbm]; No.

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[mbm]:

radi0head: debian?

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radi0head:

nope

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[mbm]:

oh.. well then find the id-utils package for your distro, cd into the kernel sources and type "mkid" to generate an ID file and then "eid tveeprom_hauppauge_analog"

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[mbm]:

it should take you directly to any occurance of that

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jblack:

speaking of which, imbrandon is going to finish getting the rest of the current ubuntu mythtv packages up to 0.20 over the next few days.

[08:27:15]

** [mbm] is having all sorts of fun tracking down bugs in mythtv's siparse :/ **

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Dagmar:

radi0head: Did you find the tveeprom module yet?

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Dagmar:

That's where what you're looking for comes from, btw

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radi0head:

Dagmar; I think I know which modules I need to load for ivtv to not complain about tveeprom_read and tveeprom_hauppauge_analog

[08:28:38]

** [mbm] guesses a module called "tveeprom" **

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radi0head:

Not sure yet, let me read a bit more.

[08:28:52]

radi0head:

[mbm]; That's what comes with ivtv.

[08:28:58]

radi0head:

lol

[08:29:21]

radi0head:

Got it!

[08:29:26]

radi0head:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ivtv/us . . . _read;#30764

[08:29:44]

Dagmar:

Dude, two people are telling you in a not-so-subtle way

[08:29:59]

radi0head:

?

[08:31:09]

radi0head:

I need to enable CONFIG_VIDEO_BT848 as module!

[08:31:27]

Dibblah:

[mbm]: Unfortunately, that's mostly danielk's code. And he's firstly on holiday and secondly doesn't do IRC :(

[08:31:40]

radi0head:

They should update the wiki HOWTO on www.ivtvdriver.org

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Dibblah:

stuarta and janneg have knowledge in that area, though.

[08:31:55]

radi0head:

I'll check if I can do it.

[08:31:59]

[mbm]:

Dibblah: hmm

[08:32:21]

Dagmar:

radi0head: no. You need to enable the bit that builds the tveeprom.ko modeul

[08:32:31]

[mbm]:

Dibblah: I'm seeing bugs with the AddFlags stuff where flags just get dropped for no reason

[08:32:38]

radi0head:

Dagmar; Define "bit"

[08:33:01]

Dagmar:

Bit as in piece.

[08:33:16]

radi0head:

Dagmar; Duh, I'm talking about what you mean by bit.

[08:33:18]

Dagmar:

LIke, the piece named "Video4LInux" and "Video4linux2" suport

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[mbm]:

annoys me when most of my channels show up as UNKNOWN## and crash mythtv

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Dibblah:

Which flags and when?

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Dibblah:

I really do get the feeling this is a problem in the scanner inserting the channels.

[08:34:33]

radi0head:

Dagmar; In the HOWTO from www.ivtvdriver.org, they don't mention that you need cx2341x or else ivtv will compile/install, but won't load.

[08:34:39]

[mbm]:

Dibblah: it is

[08:34:50]

radi0head:

Dagmar; Same goes for bt848 (not sure yet i'll have to recompile the kernel.

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[mbm]:

it's telling me there's a VCT but then it's not waiting on the channel long enough to find it

[08:35:20]

Dibblah:

What do you have for your channel / signal timeouts?

[08:35:31]

radi0head:

Dagmar; http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto#Ker . . . on_specifics

[08:35:33]

Dibblah:

I've seen this before in dvb land.

[08:36:03]

radi0head:

Dagmar; I'm talking about the PVR-150, not the AOpen VA2000

[08:36:09]

Dagmar:

radi0head: You know what? I don't really give a damn what the wiki says, dude. It's not the wiki's job to teach people how to build kernels correctly.

[08:36:25]

Dagmar:

radi0head: I probably wasn't clear enough earlier... Lemme be very explicit now

[08:36:28]

radi0head:

Dagmar; You don't seem to get it.

[08:37:29]

Dagmar:

radi0head: Go into your kernel configuration... Under Device Drivers->Multimedia Devices and enable Video4Linux as a module, as well as practically everything else you're 100% certain that you don't need.

[08:37:50]

Dagmar:

No, I don't need to "get it". I managed to build 0.8.0 and 2.6.18 while I ate my sandwich

[08:37:58]

radi0head:

Dagmar; They tell you the prerequisite to have in your kernel so that the ivtcdriver will work correctly. Yes, I have the scrict minimum in my kernel, always have, so I need to know what to add so I can make it work.

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radi0head:

Dagmar; video4linux as bee as module for a while, still I couldn't load ivtv.

[08:38:53]

Dagmar:

You don't want the deprecated version of v4l2, you probably don't need DABUSB, but under Video Capture Adapters, enable everything as modules

[08:39:09]

Dagmar:

I definitely said earlier to make everything under there modules

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radi0head:

Dagmar; You don't seem to understand, It wouldn't work without cx2341x

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Dagmar:

I DO UNDERSTAND

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Dagmar:

That's one of the @#$@# modules in that subsection

[08:39:39]

radi0head:

Dagmar; Unfortunetly, you don't.

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Dagmar:

If you turn it ALL on the only thing you lose is a few moments of your time while you built

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jblack:

I see what I've been doing wrong.

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radi0head:

You just told me to enable ONLY video4linux wtf dude?

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Dagmar:

NOT hours while you struggle to tell someone who DOES have it working how it's not supposed to work

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Dagmar:

I said no "only"

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Dagmar:

Paint "with a broad brush" in that whole section

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jblack:

I'm trying to automaticly record in rtjpeg and then transcode to mpeg. Instead I should just record in a lower rtjpeg

[08:40:46]

radi0head:

Dagmar; The thing is, I won'

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Dagmar:

If you don't know 100% that you don't need it (like, it's clearly for DVB-t or something) go ahead and flip it all on as modules

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Dagmar:

Do you want it to work or don't you?

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radi0head:

Dagmar; The thing is, I won't enable all the modules just to make it work, I'll only enable the modules which will make the ivtv module load correctly, which is what i'm going to do right now, brb.

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[mbm]:

Dibblah: http://pastebin.ca/183816 .. line 6 it's waiting for a VCT like I told it to, line 16 it's magically zapped all flags

[08:43:19]

Dagmar:

Then you have a whole lot of fun figuring out which freaking module makes the one you want happen

[08:43:27]

Dagmar:

Here's a hint... It's *not* mentioned in the help docs

[08:43:41]

Dagmar:

JEsus

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Dagmar:

Why do people have to be so damn thick-skulled. 15K worth of extra modules and 15 seconds of time is not worth wasting an hour troubleshooting over

[08:47:02]

Dagmar:

I'm half thinking I should report it as a bug at this point... I can't see which one of them is actually enabling CONFIG_VIDEO_TVEEPROM

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Dagmar:

It's something under the same menu as where video4linux is enabled, judging by where in .config it shows up

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Dagmar:

Bleh. I find it in drivers/media/Kconfig with zero explanation as to what turns it on

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radi0head:

[mbm]; Dagmar; http://pastebin.ca/183823 Finally got it working, the bttv module was needed for tveeprom_hauppauge_analog and tveeprom_read and finally being able to load the ivtv module! hehe.

[08:57:58]

radi0head:

If I can, I'll update the www.ivtvdriver.org HOWTO.

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stuarta:

morning all

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radi0head:

[mbm]; Dagmar; Thanks for your help.

[09:00:12]

radi0head:

Dagmar; Sorry if i've been a bit rude with you.

[09:02:02]

Dagmar:

You're going to have to learn to be more broad-handed with what modules you flip on or kernel builds are going to keep killing you

[09:02:12]

Dagmar:

Extra modules harm _nothing_

[09:02:24]

Dagmar:

...and they save you *huge* pains if you ever change/add hardware

[09:02:26]

radi0head:

Dagmar; I've been building kernel configs since 2.2

[09:02:32]

radi0head:

I know how it works.

[09:02:40]

Dibblah:

[mbm]: Is GetDevice meant to return -1?

[09:02:48]

Dibblah:

For the HDHR...?

[09:03:07]

[mbm]:

radi0head: all you really need to know is how to track down unresolved symbols

[09:03:18]

Dibblah:

stuarta: Morning.

[09:03:27]

radi0head:

Dagmar; I like to know (when I buy new hardware) what I need to add etc.. that's why I do it.

[09:03:40]

radi0head:

[mbm]; Yeah I agree.

[09:03:58]

Dagmar:

Good thing the _all start with the name of the module they come from_

[09:04:03]

Dagmar:

s/the/they/;

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[mbm]:

Dibblah: where do you see that?

[09:04:19]

Dibblah:

It's the FFFFF in your log.

[09:04:26]

radi0head:

If the HOWTO on www.ivtvdriver.org had been uptodate, I wouldn't have gotten all those unresolved symbols.

[09:04:44]

Dibblah:

I think.

[09:04:49]

radi0head:

But unfortunetly, it wasn't.

[09:04:49]

Dagmar:

...or if you'd been listening to the people telling you to enable the stuff as modules.

[09:05:22]

[mbm]:

Dibblah: oh, that .. the hdhr is a networked device with two tuners, so you address them either according to their serial number or ffffffff for broadcast, so "ffffffff/1" means any hdhr, second tuner

[09:05:33]

radi0head:

Dagmar; Oh, when you told me to enable all as module instead of trying to find exactly which ones I would need? no thanks.

[09:05:35]

Dibblah:

Bugger.

[09:05:59]

[mbm]:

Dibblah: yeah, really screws up the menu formatting in some themes

[09:06:01]

radi0head:

Dagmar; And who are you calling "the people" ?

[09:06:10]

radi0head:

Dagmar; IIRC, you were the only one telling that.

[09:06:42]

[mbm]:

I'd love to know what this 'unknown table 0xc0' is that I keep getting in my logs

[09:06:45]

Dagmar:

I r teh world. I r the ppl.

[09:06:50]

radi0head:

hehe

[09:07:18]

Dagmar:

Still, man, the "I just got it to build over here" should have been a good clue. ;)

[09:07:27]

Dibblah:

I would ask what dvbsnoop says about it, but don't even know if that's appropriate.

[09:07:37]

Dagmar:

I basically just threw my old config at the new source and built them and rebooted

[09:07:51]

[mbm]:

dvbsnoop is for dvb cards, which this isn't

[09:07:57]

Dagmar:

Now, it's possible that when I get home everything my myth box might have recorded might involve green and purple humans, but I'll find that out when I get home

[09:08:04]

radi0head:

Dagmar; Yeah but you didn't even know which ones you "only" needed, I don't want to hear "enable them all! it will work" kind of thing

[09:08:42]

Dagmar:

radi0head: I use the scattergun approach on modules because I haven't had to actually *tell* Linux to load a module in about, oh, six years now

[09:08:46]

[mbm]:

Dibblah: do you know if atsc_major_chan/atsc_minor_chan is actually used for anything other than the channel number displayed in the ui?

[09:08:53]

radi0head:

I like my kernel being less than 1.5mb

[09:08:55]

Dagmar:

If you build them, they will load.

[09:09:06]

Dagmar:

Dude, extra modules do not bloat the kernel.

[09:09:09]

radi0head:

I know

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Dagmar:

That's why they're modules

[09:09:22]

radi0head:

I'm talking aobut enabling things static

[09:09:38]

Dagmar:

If you're enabling device drivers not needed for booting as static you are asking for pain

[09:09:59]

Dagmar:

That's one we have to beat out of people about twice a week at least.

[09:10:08]

radi0head:

Yeah agreed, everything I can put as module is, except for my filesystem and other things.

[09:10:15]

** [mbm] points out the minor flaw in Dagmar's argument .. actually enabling some modules enables hooks in the kernel which allow the modules to load — very slight kernel bloating **

[09:10:23]

Dagmar:

If you run into a problem with something that's built directly into the kernel, you can't unload it and try different options. You just have to reboot.

[09:10:29]

radi0head:

[mbm]; haah nice

[09:10:33]

Dagmar:

[mbm]: Nope. external table

[09:11:06]

radi0head:

Dagmar; Anyways, you know the point I was trying to make, I only enable what I need, be it as module or built in.

[09:11:12]

Dagmar:

This is why you don't have to rebuild the kernel or re-run lilo (or whatever) when you add/remove modules.

[09:11:34]

[mbm]:

Dagmar: the module itself is external code, but it may have to enable exports and additional apis so that the module can talk to the kernel

[09:11:35]

Dagmar:

radi0head: There's a point beyond which it fails to by useful to do that tho

[09:11:40]

Dagmar:

[mbm]: nope.

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radi0head:

I'll end this discussion right here, It's 5:10am here, and I finally got ivtv to load correctly hehe. I guess it's bed time!

[09:11:52]

radi0head:

Dagmar; That's your own opinion.

[09:11:54]

Dagmar:

[mbm]: Turning off and on modules does not require or make changes in the monolithic kernel.

[09:11:57]

[mbm]:

Dagmar: I'm a kernel devel

[09:12:13]

Dagmar:

radi0head: Unfortunately for you guys it's backed up by evidence and fact.

[09:12:50]

Dagmar:

I could claim to be a kernel dev, but I don't think modules that explode really count

[09:12:59]

radi0head:

Dagmar; Not really, I learned something and made a howto for people like me which enables only what they need, I didn't waste my time.

[09:13:13]

Dagmar:

I suck at C, but I'm definitely sure that adding modules doesn't change the vmlinux part

[09:13:28]

[mbm]:

if you compile a kernel without scsi support and later try to load the scsi module you'll get unresolved symbol errors

[09:13:30]

radi0head:

I don't think it changes it, I think you're right.

[09:13:34]

Dagmar:

radi0head: You're aware that which things you turn on has changed about five times since 2.6.7, right?

[09:13:51]

Dagmar:

That's why me (and some others) are all about the scattergun approach in there

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[mbm]:

admittedly it isn't true for most modules

[09:14:04]

Dagmar:

We don't have to worry about which kernel the user has. If they're all on it'll get the bits they need

[09:14:24]

[mbm]:

but as I said, there are modules which require modifications to the kernel, all done silently when the module is selected

[09:14:46]

Dagmar:

[mbm]: I think that might be one someone needs to be giveen a stabbing over

[09:15:32]

Dagmar:

All the docs swear up and down you don't need to rebuild the core if you're just adding/removing modules.

[09:15:38]

radi0head:

Dagmar; Well I won't change my taste, I've been doing this for a long time, I like it that way, it's always a learning experience, and it usually isn't that complicated, ie, new network card, enable the module in the kernel etc... that's very easy, but if only ivtvdriver.org's HOWTO was up-to-date, I wouldn't have passed all that time trying to figure those unresolved symbols.

[09:16:17]

[mbm]:

Dagmar: that's the ideal way things are supposed to work, not how they actually do

[09:16:45]

Dagmar:

Oh CRAP

[09:16:52]

Dagmar:

Welll..

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[mbm]:

there's some really nasty code if you go poking around the kernel sources

[09:17:24]

Dagmar:

I guess I'll know in a few minutes if the stuff I wrote to make the machine rebuild certain modules on a reboot actually, um, works or at least exits cleanly

[09:17:48]

Dagmar:

I just rebooted the wrong damn box, and it was the one I was working on code to make nvidia and ivtv rebuilds semi-automatic on

[09:18:42]

Dagmar:

I'm gonna have to color code my bash prompts or something

[09:20:11]

Dagmar:

Well, it at least exits gracefully *whew*

[09:20:33]

[mbm]:

bash prompts are ususually 'u@h:w$', aka "user@host:/some/directory$" .. just pay attention to the host part :)

[09:20:40]

Dagmar:

The idea behind it being that for Slackware users, if they just install the initial package, on each reboot it will take care of the details of whether or not that was built to the kernel

[09:21:04]

Dagmar:

[mbm]: Yeah, they all say the hostname, but apparently that's not getting my attention enough when I'm working with six different boxes at once

[09:22:28]

[mbm]:

only time you ever need to reboot a box is when you change the kernel

[09:22:41]

Dagmar:

Yep.

[09:22:59]

Dagmar:

...which is why it's a good time to check to see if the nvidia and ivtv modules have been built against the one you're just booting

[09:23:22]

Dagmar:

I still have no way to make this work for grub users, but they made that choice so they should ahve to live with it

[09:23:23]

[mbm]:

well, if not it just drops you to a console

[09:23:35]

Dibblah:

[mbm]: I'm suspicious of SetOption("videodevice", QString::number(tvrec->GetCaptureCardNum()));

[09:23:44]

Dagmar:

[mbm]: That really shouldn't be necessary, and it's definitely not desireable on an appliance box

[09:24:06]

Dibblah:

I can't see how it's hurting things, but it's not the right thing to do.

[09:24:35]

[mbm]:

Dagmar: umm, what do you expect it to do when the video driver fails? console login and you can at least fix it

[09:24:48]

Dagmar:

[mbm]: 'specially considering I have boxes polling a central machine to _get_ their updates

[09:25:19]

Dagmar:

[mbm]: "can" and "have the time to" aren't equal for me most of the time

[09:25:38]

Dagmar:

There's not much I can't sort out, but there's quite a bit I'd rather never have to deal with again.

[09:25:43]

Dagmar:

This is one of those types of issues

[09:26:10]

Dibblah:

stuarta: How much have you fiddled in the signal monitor?

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[mbm]:

Dibblah: hrm, well, I've gotten quite proficient at manually initializing the hdhr and running vlc as a frontend ..

[09:27:25]

stuarta:

a bit. what you trying to work out...

[09:27:46]

Dibblah:

http://pastebin.ca/183816

[09:27:58]

Dibblah:

(That's [mbm]'s)

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[mbm]:

Dibblah: problem isn't the signal, its the table monitoring

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stuarta:

what's with the FFFF's?

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Dibblah:

Only on some channels. specifically for AddFlags: Seen() Match() Wait(PAT,VCT,)

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[mbm]:

hdhomerun card; explained it a few pages above

[09:29:06]

Dibblah:

transitioning to AddFlags: Seen(PAT,) Match() Wait()

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Dagmar:

That's tuner static rendered through libvoxrec

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[mbm]:

you can basically ign're the "ffffffff/1", it's just the card name

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stuarta:

ah, okay. 2nd hdhr device...

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[mbm]:

right

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stuarta:

what's it broadcasting on table 0xc0 ???

[09:30:35]

Dibblah:

Heh. :)

[09:30:37]

[mbm]:

stuarta: comcast cable apparently

[09:30:48]

[mbm]:

literally floods the logs with that

[09:31:03]

stuarta:

it's non standard, so it need identifying and handling

[09:31:39]

[mbm]:

some channels work, other channels like that paste have issues .. finds the pmt,pat but fails to find the vct and so mythtv doesn't handle the channel properly

[09:32:06]

stuarta:

do some dvbsnoops on table 0xc0, see what it comes up with....

[09:32:13]

[mbm]:

vlc makes the same complaints about 0xc0 but is able to parse the transport correctly anyways

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[mbm]:

stuarta: don't think I can run dvbsnoop on a hdhomerun

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stuarta:

hmmm...

[09:33:34]

Dibblah:

Can you dump the entire TS?

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[mbm]:

what annoys me is that it finds the programs and adds them as UNKNOWN (I really don't care if it gets the correct name or not) but then it doesn't actually work when I tune those in mythtv

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[mbm]:

Dibblah: easily

[09:34:01]

[mbm]:

there's some fun in having a networked tuner, all I need is netcat ;)

[09:34:25]

stuarta:

are they unknown cuase it doesn't find the VCT?

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Dibblah:

dvbsnoop -if <file>

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[mbm]:

Dibblah: ah! didn't know that

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[mbm]:

stuarta: right, the vct sets up the channel name and number

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[mbm]:

which then populates the channel db

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[mbm]:

without the channel numbers, it leaves atsc_major_chan and atsc_minor_chan as 0

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stuarta:

and iirc that's what it needs to tune....

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[mbm]:

which mythtv then thinks means it's not an atsc

[09:36:15]

[mbm]:

right

[09:36:32]

[mbm]:

if I set them in the db, I get further

[09:36:46]

[mbm]:

but then what I've noticed is that the filterig is wrong

[09:36:57]

[mbm]:

it's only looking at 0x0000 0x1ffb

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stuarta:

interesting.

[09:37:53]

[mbm]:

I haven't figured out exactly what builds the filters

[09:38:25]

stuarta:

streamdata iirc.

[09:38:37]

stuarta:

libs/libmythtv/mpeg

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[mbm]:

right, I know the functions involved but not how it's all supposed to work

[09:39:19]

[mbm]:

It's the ListeningPIDs functions

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stuarta:

it adds the filters for the pids where it expects to find the relevant tables

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[mbm]:

right, and that's what I haven't figured out .. how to override that in the db or in the code so it doesn't filter out the actual streams

[09:40:19]

[mbm]:

I can change it on the hardware level easily enough, but mythtv has it's own internal filtering

[09:40:30]

stuarta:

so either it's 1) mis-indentifying the type of stream it expects

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stuarta:

2) the pid filter is missing some pids

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stuarta:

3) the tables used are non standard.

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[mbm]:

1 causes 2, perhaps because of 3

[09:42:00]

stuarta:

1 can cause 2 and 3, 2 and 3 can also occur individually (mainly due to non standard broadcasts)

[09:42:25]

stuarta:

yes 3, can cause 1 & 2 :)

[09:42:40]

stuarta:

fun isn't it :)

[09:42:55]

[mbm]:

I've seen it identify the pids correctly and build the proper filters

[09:43:08]

stuarta:

but only for some channels?

[09:43:52]

[mbm]:

does it correctly in mythtv-setup but then fails to set the chanel number

[09:44:02]

[mbm]:

I then edit the database and put in some channel numbers

[09:44:11]

[mbm]:

but then in mythtv the filters are wrong

[09:44:25]

stuarta:

i'd be interested in seeing mythtv-setup --verbose siparser,channel,record output.

[09:44:29]

[mbm]:

is there some part of the db that's used to identify the expected pids?

[09:45:03]

[mbm]:

http://mbm.openwrt.org/tv/mythtv-setup.log

[09:47:08]

** [mbm] goes to install dvbsnoop **

[09:49:01]

[mbm]:

hmm cute tool

[09:49:21]

stuarta:

s/cute/most extremely useful/

[09:49:38]

[mbm]:

yep.. I can upload some ts data if you want to look at it

[09:50:16]

[mbm]:

MPEG-DescriptorTag: 153 (0x99) [= Forbidden descriptor in MPEG context]

[09:50:19]

[mbm]:

hmm...

[09:50:32]

stuarta:

yeah, but you are in atsc land....

[09:50:40]

[mbm]:

yep

[09:50:46]

[mbm]:

well, qam256

[09:50:54]

stuarta:

erm, which also uses mpeg... :(

[09:51:06]

[mbm]:

atsc fta works fine

[09:51:22]

stuarta:

ahh, so these are crypted atsc?

[09:51:41]

[mbm]:

some of the program streams on that channel probably are crypted

[09:51:59]

[mbm]:

there's about 20 pids on that

[09:52:24]

[mbm]:

and there's at least 5 which aren't scrambled in any way

[09:53:34]

[mbm]:

hmm .. what's "SOP: SERVICE 156" ?

[09:53:45]

[mbm]:

noticing that in some of the hexdumps

[09:53:46]

stuarta:

not seen that one before

[09:54:08]

stuarta:

start with dvbsnoop -n1 -nph 0x0

[09:54:20]

stuarta:

then change the 0x0 to the various other tableid's

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stuarta:

0x1ffb, 0xc0 etc etc.

[09:55:13]

Hoxzer:

gnnn

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[mbm]:

stuarta: well, I really don't have much clue what I'm looking at/for

[09:57:39]

[mbm]:

but I'll give a ts dump to anyone who does

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stuarta:

pastebin dvbsnoop -n1 -nph 0xc0

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[mbm]:

stuarta: http://pastebin.ca/183860

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stuarta:

interesting -> http://www.interactivetvweb.org/tutorial/dtv- . . . si/vct.shtml

[10:02:14]

[mbm]:

yeah, I learned what VCT/CVCT meant

[10:03:00]

[mbm]:

I don't think this is a vct

[10:03:19]

Hoxzer:

ok

[10:03:22]

stuarta:

mpeg packet i think.

[10:03:41]

Hoxzer:

http://www.vct.org/ <-- more info about vct

[10:03:45]

stuarta:

actually that command i suggest is rubbish

[10:04:03]

stuarta:

that grabbed pid 0xc0, not table 0xc0

[10:05:23]

stuarta:

try dvbsnoop -n1 -nph -m 0xff -f 0xc0

[10:05:44]

stuarta:

one sec...

[10:06:24]

stuarta:

try dvbsnoop -n1 -nph -f 0xc0

[10:08:23]

stuarta:

!trout hoxzer wrong vct

[10:08:23]

** MythLogBot slaps hoxzer with a wrong vct trout on behalf of stuarta... **

[10:09:44]

[mbm]:

hmm that's not getting the right tableid either

[10:09:50]

Juski:

fascinating...

[10:10:00]

stuarta:

damn mask values....

[10:10:35]

stuarta:

Juski: hello, what's fascinating today....

[10:10:49]

Juski:

arggh stupid fscking java shite fouling up my machine again

[10:11:02]

Juski:

stuarta: new company stuff I'm looking at :)

[10:12:26]

Juski:

and I'm ordering retractable keyfob thingies so I don't have to get my whole keyring out every time I need to go into the lab :)

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[10:12:44]

Juski:

how's life in developer-land?

[10:13:17]

stuarta:

haven't even had a chance to develop of late.

[10:13:34]

stuarta:

far too busy with birthdays, parties & weddings...

[10:13:42]

Juski:

sounds like real fun :)

[10:14:16]

stuarta:

indeed :)

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stuarta:

at this rate all my recordings will expire before I get a chance to watch em...

[10:15:50]

stuarta:

and that's a 2 month delay...

[10:16:17]

Juski:

looked in my logs this morning.. all is well, still since yesterday when I realised I'd restored the db from when a file existed & mythbackend was trying to expire a file that'd already been deleted

[10:17:26]

** stuarta really should do some real work. **

[10:23:34]

stuarta:

[mbm]: am wondering if it just takes ages for your VCT & MGT tables to turn up

[10:28:17]

[mbm]:

I gave it 30 sec per channel :/

[10:28:33]

[mbm]:

signal timeout 1s, channel timeout 30s

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stuarta:

perhaps doing the snoop just on pid 0x1ffb

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Ruleke:

g'day

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[mbm]:

hmm now that is interesting .. there's nothing on 0x1ffb

[10:32:22]

stuarta:

is your captured stream at least 30s long?

[10:32:54]

[mbm]:

yep

[10:33:12]

[mbm]:

and right now I'm running dvb against a live feed and still nothing

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stuarta:

that'll explain the lack of VCT then

[10:33:33]

stuarta:

and MGT

[10:34:22]

Ruleke:

wooo dvb playstuff :)

[10:34:27]

[mbm]:

seems I forgot -s ts the initial round

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[mbm]:

stuarta: yep .. which annoyingly means there's no way mythtv is going to tune them

[10:35:15]

stuarta:

not without some hacking...

[10:35:39]

stuarta:

humour me. find where it does the AddPid for 0x1ffb

[10:35:46]

stuarta:

and add one for 0xc0

[10:35:54]

stuarta:

see what happens...

[10:36:06]

[mbm]:

just a sec, tuning another channel

[10:36:37]

[mbm]:

I hate the way this thing takes a raw frequency

[10:36:51]

[mbm]:

means I have to look up the channel I want on a frequency chart to manually tune it

[10:37:21]

Merlin83b:

Oh, good news stuarta! LiveTV is now usable for me. I haven't even tried it for months, thought I'd try last night and tuning is nice and quick, just 3–4 seconds :)

[10:37:25]

Merlin83b:

Juski, too.

[10:37:38]

** stuarta does a little dance **

[10:38:14]

Merlin83b:

I was happy. I can now possibly dump the old digibox and VCR (only being used as a thing that'll take multiple inputs :)

[10:40:23]

[mbm]:

grr .. -s ts filters 1ffb .. -s pes .. instead

[10:41:02]

[mbm]:

much better.

[10:44:26]

Hoxzer:

rekastan

[10:44:34]

Hoxzer:

do you guys remember duck hunt

[10:44:39]

Hoxzer:

daaamn ... it was good

[10:46:31]

** [mbm] wishes they'd let you shoot that damned dog **

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[10:48:08]

Zider:

:D

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[10:58:11]

Dagmar:

It would be a good candidate for "things to pass through the Myth box to drive drunk people crazy"

[10:58:31]

Dagmar:

...although I think DDR is also an excellent choise for that

[10:59:12]

** [mbm] ran out of inputs and hooked an snes through a tivo .. the 2 second delay was subtle but annoying **

[10:59:44]

[mbm]:

bit of practice and you can play mario that way .. annoy the crap out of anyone else who tries ;)

[11:00:18]

Juski:

Merlin83b: since when was livetv being usable an excuse for using it? ;-)

[11:00:47]

stuarta:

what's live tv... 8-)

[11:01:10]

Dagmar:

That's what you see on the tele down at the pub

[11:01:21]

stuarta:

no that's blurry tv.

[11:01:32]

Dagmar:

yeah, the picture quality sucks

[11:01:43]

Dagmar:

This is why we don't watch it much

[11:01:53]

stuarta:

nah, more talking about the pre game beers....

[11:02:24]

[mbm]:

livetv is always playing this crap called "advertising" .. there's even whole 1–2 hour segments devoted to it

[11:02:45]

stuarta:

whole channels too..

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Juski:

there are even whole _channels_ devoted to stuff they call 'infomercials'...

[11:03:19]

jamesp:

at least I'm not in the US – I hear you get ads *during* shows

[11:03:32]

Dagmar:

Yep

[11:03:35]

stuarta:

seen the free sat channel lineup lately? it's about 70% shopping channels.

[11:03:36]

Dagmar:

...and they're LOUD, too

[11:03:51]

Dagmar:

I'd like to see a limiter/compressor

[11:04:00]

jamesp:

not just product placement, that I can deal with as long as it's not taking the mickey

[11:04:09]

[mbm]:

I'm in the US.. it's terrible .. <commercial> " .. the .. " <back to commercial> ...

[11:04:25]

Dagmar:

It's bad enough I have to tolerate both tampon and "Mr. Floppy" ads on the TV. It's worse that by neighbors get to hear them.

[11:04:32]

[mbm]:

if you're lucky the actor gets in two words between commercial breaks

[11:04:34]

nomego_:

anyone have an idea for this: http://pastebin.com/795323 when trying to play a DVD in 0.20?

[11:06:04]

nomego_:

the libdvdread errors occur with mplayer as well, but at least the movie plays in mplayer

[11:06:33]

[mbm]:

nomego_: didn't look at the error message but did you remember to install css?

[11:06:43]

Juski:

wth is "mr floppy" ?

[11:06:46]

Merlin83b:

Juski: Heh, useful for some stuff :)

[11:07:10]

Juski:

is "mr floppy" a 12-pack of 1L beer cans?

[11:07:20]

[mbm]:

Juski: I have a feeling it involved viagra

[11:07:25]

nomego_:

[mbm]: in addition to libdvdread?

[11:07:26]

Dagmar:

Juski: Huh? I thought that was a british slang for it. It's also called...

[11:07:31]

Dagmar:

ERECTILE DYSFUNCTION

[11:07:40]

Dagmar:

...which is about the way the commercials say it.

[11:07:51]

nomego_:

[mbm]: just to clarify.. it works in mplayer

[11:08:31]

Dagmar:

I used to complain that there should be a commercial as irritating to women as the tampon commercials are to men.

[11:08:48]

Dagmar:

Now I truly see that they were irritating as hell to both men and women all along.

[11:08:48]

nomego_:

[mbm]: also, I do have libdvdcss-1.2.9

[11:09:00]

[mbm]:

Dagmar: over here we get those commercials with some guy who is way too happy and has a huge grin

[11:09:16]

Dagmar:

[mbm]: And his wife, who judging by the look on her face when he arrives home, is a real slut.

[11:09:21]

Dagmar:

The shiny man.

[11:09:26]

Dagmar:

They show those here, too.

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[mbm]:

Dagmar: I'm pretty sure that guy wasn't wearing pants when they filmed that

[11:10:25]

Dagmar:

...and yes, at the last minute I changed what I was typing to "slut".

[11:10:55]

Dagmar:

She is WAY too happy about her hubby with the pharmacologically-enhanced "toolkit" coming home.

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[mbm]:

whenever I see any medial advertising I always like the way they hide the side effects

[11:12:14]

Dagmar:

I like the way they _promise_ the side effects.

[11:12:20]

Dagmar:

That's kind of slick.

[11:12:38]

Dagmar:

"We can't actually promise your erection will last for more than four hours, but we can warn you that it might happen."

[11:12:57]

[mbm]:

ah, they can't get away with that shit here

[11:13:03]

Dagmar:

...and they can warn people even though in clinical testing no such event occurred.

[11:13:26]

[mbm]:

they always use terms like "only your doctor can decide if __ is right for you"

[11:14:15]

Dagmar:

"...which is why we're advertising on television in case you failed to notice all those emails we've been hiring people to send you from Russia."

[11:14:18]

[mbm]:

and "___ is not habbit forming"

[11:15:14]

Juski:

I realise now why commercial skipping is such a big deal for you guys :)

[11:15:37]

Dagmar:

Yep

[11:15:51]

Dagmar:

My life became a lot less obsessed with buying crap when I stopped paying attention to commercials.

[11:15:56]

[mbm]:

I'm one of those people that can recite entire commercials verbatim

[11:16:41]

[mbm]:

ever fall asleep infront of the tv and have a dream that includes commercial taglines and matches the plot of some lame sitcom that was on tv? man that sucks

[11:17:19]

[mbm]:

you wake up, look at the tv .. "wait a minute! F*!"

[11:17:41]

[mbm]:

as you realize how the tv has subliminally controlled you

[11:18:02]

Juski:

there are only 2 ads I hate now... CILLIT BANG and 'sheila's wheels'..

[11:18:30]

** [mbm] now sets the tv to nova or some resonably educational program .. if I'm going to memorize something in my sleep it might as well be something educational **

[11:19:07]

Merlin83b:

I now hate you Juski, you've put that bloody jingle in my head.

[11:19:58]

ivor:

anyone use the internal player for DVD playback much?

[11:20:15]

Ruleke:

I plan to

[11:22:04]

GreyFoxx:

ivor: I do

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[mbm]:

side effects may include headaches, dizzyness, diarrhea, and abdominal pain. If you experience one or more symptoms, discontinue use immediately and consult your physician. ___ is not for everyone and may be habbit forming.

[11:23:06]

ivor:

if I play a DVD copy with the internal player it just plays the DVD intro/copyright warning and exits. If I play with "mplayer dvd:// -dvd-device=." then it plays the whole movie.

[11:23:08]

Dagmar:

[mbm]: Hey, be glad you missed "Head On"

[11:23:41]

Dagmar:

"Apply directly to the ________"

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ivor:

GreyFoxx: do you play dvd copies or iso images?

[11:23:54]

Dagmar:

Probably most of the US people are grinding their teeth already.

[11:24:13]

[mbm]:

Dagmar: hah

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GreyFoxx:

ivor: submit a ticket to track listing as much detail as you can. Including the dvd in question and any output from mythfrontend

[11:25:24]

GreyFoxx:

ivor: I've only played real disks

[11:25:43]

** LLyric struggles to find why his crappy onboard ATI has such trouble with mythtv. **

[11:26:12]

Juski:

the answer is in the word 'crappy'

[11:26:17]

Ruleke:

isn't that trouble with Xorg, not mythtv ? :)

[11:26:20]

ivor:

GreyFoxx: sure, just canvassing for opinion first. :)

[11:26:30]

LLyric:

Ruleke: yeah, I know :)

[11:26:52]

Ruleke:

I got my laptop to work with Xorg now, no more binary driver cruft

[11:26:58]

Dagmar:

I'd say it was just two words away from 'crappy'

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LLyric:

It's not *terribly* crappy, can do 20+ fps with the couple of games I play with

[11:27:02]

Ruleke:

with a firegl v5000 :)

[11:27:11]

Dagmar:

...or that 'crappy', in this case, was redundant.

[11:27:24]

LLyric:

I *wish* my card worked properly with free drivers. Or it was nvidia.

[11:27:27]

LLyric:

Laptop, you see.

[11:27:55]

Dagmar:

LLyric: I *still* don't know why the driver works with the Radeon Mobility/P in my notebook

[11:27:59]

Ruleke:

well mine is an X700-type one, and that works

[11:28:06]

Dagmar:

It literally just started working all on it's own for no reason.

[11:28:51]

Juski:

wooooo.. spooky

[11:28:59]

LLyric:

Dagmar: I have a Radeon Mobility M300

[11:29:10]

** [mbm] uses the nvidia binaries .. gotta have xvmc :/ **

[11:29:19]

Ruleke:

Radeon Mobility X700 here

[11:29:54]

Ruleke:

officially FireGL V5000

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[mbm]:

last ati card I had gave me issues with xvideo at 1920x1080

[11:30:10]

** LLyric 's front+backend has decent nvidia card, I just can't get the component HD working with my TV :( :( **

[11:30:30]

[mbm]:

LLyric: been there, done that .. trouble with modelines?

[11:30:39]

LLyric:

I'm sure this *used* to work fine, but now I can't even play properly in an 800x600 window

[11:31:08]

[mbm]:

LLyric: does it work fine until you try to play video, and then locks up the x server?

[11:31:20]

LLyric:

Not that problem. [mbm]: probably. when I select "HD1080i" in the config, I can see the picture, there's just two images, offset a bit.

[11:31:45]

[mbm]:

two images? sounds like your tv doesn't like interlace

[11:32:10]

[mbm]:

try progressive

[11:37:00]

Dagmar:

They can save you money.

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caitlin:

yo

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caitlin:

anyone got a uk_rt.xmlt file lying around with the entries for dvb-t radio stations? i'm struggling getting listings for them

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Ruleke:

caitlin: can't you scan for them ?

[12:04:30]

caitlin:

i'm a bit confused, i *have* scanned for them

[12:04:36]

caitlin:

and they're in the listings and i can tune to them

[12:04:52]

caitlin:

but i dont have xml guide data for them

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caitlin:

i *think* i need to add them to ~/.mythtv/uk_rt.xmltv

[12:05:27]

caitlin:

but i might be being batty

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Juski:

caitlin: there's no xmltv data for radio stations

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Juski:

you need to use EIT for them

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gardengnome:

heya.

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gardengnome:

Juski: is 1.8 the latest version of your theme? i think i'm gonna try to turn it into a .deb :)

[12:12:04]

Ruleke:

caitlin: what juski said... I'm using the EIT data for dvb-c radio here

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Juski:

gardengnome: 2.0 is the latest version for both of them.. I _think_ they're good to go but I dunno if I'll ever be happy with them

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gardengnome:

Juski: just wondering because it still says 1.8 on mythtvtalk.com

[12:13:41]

Juski:

haven't made 2.0 official yet

[12:13:54]

Juski:

editing those pages is a pain

[12:13:55]

gardengnome:

ah, ok.

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gardengnome:

heh

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Juski:

note: 2.0 is only really for mythtv 0.20. if used with 0.19, extra icons will appear for HD & CC in 'watch recorded shows' when they shouldn't

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** Juski remembers the 'watched' flag & cringes **

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Ruleke:

hehe

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antiPo5ix:

does it matter what version of mysql you use with mythtv

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Ruleke:

not really I think

[12:26:01]

Dagmar:

Yes.

[12:26:03]

Dagmar:

Yes, it does.

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antiPo5ix:

so which is it

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Dagmar:

4.1.x if you're using <=0.19

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Dagmar:

4.1.x or 5.x if you're using 0.20

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antiPo5ix:

I am using .19 with 5

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drdaz:

anybody here finding that mythweb is messed up using 0.20-fixes?

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antiPo5ix:

could that be the source of my segmentation faults

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Dagmar:

...and you're having the thing disconnect from the database frequently.

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stuarta:

antiPo5ix: 0.19 or 0.19-fixes?

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Dagmar:

It won't cause segfaults but it will cause the occasional hiccough and weird messages about the disconnections in the logs

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antiPo5ix:

stuarta: I downloaded it yesterday from Older Archives off the main download page

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stuarta:

why not 0.20?

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antiPo5ix:

becuase its too slow

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Dagmar:

lol

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antiPo5ix:

I'm going back to .19

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Dagmar:

Who's making your binaries?

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** stuarta gives up **

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antiPo5ix:

I am

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** gardengnome pats stuarta on the back **

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Dagmar:

How are you managing to make it slower?

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stuarta:

ever thought of trying to find out the cause???

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jemarcks_:

I find .20 rocks on my platform

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Dagmar:

Do you not have OpenGL and you have the paint engine enabled or something?

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antiPo5ix:

has to do with the painting of the screen

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stuarta:

turn off the openGL painter.

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antiPo5ix:

althoug native qt and opengl are both behaving similiar

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antiPo5ix:

only opengl gives a snazzy fade efffect

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antiPo5ix:

I'd rather have the snappy feeling of .19

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stuarta:

yeah, but requires good hardware and good drivers.

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antiPo5ix:

in fact I had no reason for upgrading to .20

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Dagmar:

More like a "spazzy" fade effect for me, but that's only with GANT

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jemarcks_:

I need to add a firewire pci card so i can hook up my cable box

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stuarta:

0.20 with openGL off is the same as 0.19

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jemarcks_:

my MB doesnt have firewire on board.

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antiPo5ix:

not according to my slow 700Mhz box

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Dagmar:

I'm feeling kinda stupid that it didn't occur to me until yesterday to simply connect the s-video out to the s-video INPUT and schedule a recording to snap what's going on with the menus painting wrong

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** stuarta gives up again **

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jemarcks_:

good idea

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Dagmar:

There's definitely something "not right" happening with which layer is painted on

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drdaz:

helps if u update the plugins as well as the main mythtv repo

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drdaz:

d'oh!

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stuarta:

!trout drdaz

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** MythLogBot slaps drdaz with a trout on behalf of stuarta... **

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drdaz:

ta

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drdaz:

needed that

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drdaz:

!trout his left buttock

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** MythLogBot slaps his with a left buttock trout on behalf of drdaz... **

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drdaz:

i see

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antiPo5ix:

I did a simple qmake mythtv,pro && ./configure && make make install..

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antiPo5ix:

everything worked fine. after about 4 hours my transcoder and commflag apps started segfaulting

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antiPo5ix:

so I stopped mythbackend and it wouldnt start backup

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antiPo5ix:

anyone experience that?

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jemarcks_:

nope.. i dont compile it

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antiPo5ix:

I rebooted the box, and it said I need to fix page one in General

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Torg:

no, not unless I use the binaires for my amd backend on the intel frontend

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antiPo5ix:

I did that and then it says not that tuner 1 is recording, and it is not

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antiPo5ix:

and my upcoming schedule is empty

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Torg:

did you check the database?

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stuarta:

gotta go. Off to see a man about a dog.

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antiPo5ix:

the db was running. the record table still had 27 items in it

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antiPo5ix:

logging was off however

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antiPo5ix:

what distro offers a good precompiled .20 binary?

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antiPo5ix:

I have an AMD cpu

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Torg:

none

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antiPo5ix:

I didnt think so

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Torg:

the bianiry repoitiors are not official

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Torg:

why do you want .20 over .19?

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antiPo5ix:

I want something that will not segmentation fault on me

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antiPo5ix:

and preferably something fast

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antiPo5ix:

.19 in the past has been very good for me

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Torg:

install debian and use .19

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antiPo5ix:

I am using ubuntu at the moment

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nomego_:

anyone want to take a look at my problem?

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jemarcks_:

i use fc4 and .20

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antiPo5ix:

jemarcks_: how long have you been running .20

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antiPo5ix:

jemarcks_: did you compile it yourself?

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Torg:

ubuntu ~= debian light

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jemarcks_:

antipo5ix, about 3 weeks now

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jemarcks_:

no, i used yum to get all the binaries

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Torg:

and what is the problem?

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fryfrog:

any opinion on how a dual cpu 2.4ghz zeon might do for HD decoding? it is kind of an old xeon, one of the slower fsb ones

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Torg:

what kind of HD stream?

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fryfrog:

what do you mean?

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Juski:

mpeg2/h.264 ...

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fryfrog:

straight off of qam cable, so mpeg2

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fryfrog:

i assume

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fryfrog:

what generates an h.264 hd stream?

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Torg:

1080I with AC3? 720P with AC3? SD encapulated in one of those?

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Juski:

European HD, mostly

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Torg:

Juski is bieng a....wel juski :P

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fryfrog:

Torg: I'm honestly not sure, its US HD for NBC, ABC, CBS, etc

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Torg:

and BTW Juski h.264 is mpeg4 :P

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fryfrog:

i'm not sure what they send in their stream

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fryfrog:

i do have a few recordings, if you know how i can peak at them to see

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Juski:

I know h.264 is mpeg4. sheesh

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Torg:

your ability to watch that will depend on two things. 1) If it has to record to, and 2) what kind of video card you use

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fryfrog:

It'd be an nvidia card, prolly a GF4

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Torg:

<Juski> mpeg2/h.264 ... :P

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Ruleke:

Juski: it is ? I thought h.264 was mpeg-4 part 10 :)

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Juski:

meaning mpeg2 or h.264

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fryfrog:

isn't recording a stream from an HD card pretty cpu lax, since its already mpeg2?

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Torg:

yes and no

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Torg:

recording is cpu intensive becas you are writing so much to the disk

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fryfrog:

i'll have to watch cpu usage on my current backend

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Torg:

it not nearly as bad as encoding however

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fryfrog:

the disk will be NFS mounted

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Juski:

Torg: since when was disk utilisation a CPU hog?

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Ruleke:

I'm doing fine with my dvb P2–300 backend ... ymmv :)

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fryfrog:

so the cpu util will be on the server :)

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Torg:

my backend runs off a single AMD K7 1.3 with dual ATSC (they do much worse shit with HD then cable)

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fryfrog:

Ruleke: HD?

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Ruleke:

nah... I don't have the CAM for it :'(

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fryfrog:

ah

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Torg:

the FE runs on a p4 3.0 and does maybe 50–70% thats with a NV6600

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Ruleke:

though I don't see any cpu load tbh

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Torg:

the BE runs 20–50 unless its comflagging

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fryfrog:

My FE/BE does about 80% load on an amd64

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Torg:

the FE runs 50–70 unless its comflagging

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fryfrog:

but that box is also a samba server, web server, mysql server, etc

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Torg:

comflaggin on either will make video stutter if I want to watch at the same time

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Ruleke:

:)

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fryfrog:

Torg: do you have comm flagging at low priority?

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Torg:

Ruleke do you have a way to put a CAM in a DVB-S card?

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Juski:

I can record 3 SD shows simultaneously with less than 10% CPU usage on a 2000XP

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fryfrog:

or +s on the mythfrontend binary?

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fryfrog:

I did 4x SD streams on an athlon xp 1600 :)

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Ruleke:

Torg: yes of course, why ?

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Ruleke:

Torg: CI interface

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Torg:

no I set it to go as fast as it can, its sometnig I just know to live with. I understand what I give up to do it

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fryfrog:

CI interface?

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Juski:

common interface interface?

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Ruleke:

err well you know ;)

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fryfrog:

hehe

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jemarcks_:

anybody use a sa3250 cable box with firewire?

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Torg:

Ruleke becase I want to trash my dishnet recovers and irblaster for a DVB-S card and CAM interface but dont know the hardware or hwo to do it

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Ruleke:

actually it _is_ a CI interface as it is made to connect the CI to the dvb card ;)

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Torg:

im also not 100% sure that is legal, but since I pay for a sub I cant see how its not

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Ruleke:

I don't see why either

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Ruleke:

I paid for the smartcard

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fryfrog:

i don't guess you can do the same for directv?

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Torg:

yes same, here I just want to know what hardware I would need

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Torg:

in theory fryfrog why not

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fryfrog:

i'd be happy to pay for a sub, if i could feed dtv or dish right into a pci card

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Ruleke:

well just a dvb-s card with Ci is the easy part...

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Ruleke:

the CAM is something else

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fryfrog:

what is CAM?

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Torg:

Conditional Access Module

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Torg:

you know it as your sub card

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Ruleke:

the part between the CI and the smartcard ;)

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fryfrog:

ah, so like cable's "smartcard"

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fryfrog:

oh

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Torg:

it *IS* the smartcard

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Ruleke:

no it isn't

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fryfrog:

do they even make those kind of cards for the pc?

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Ruleke:

the smartcard is the chipcard you insert into the CAM

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Ruleke:

sure

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Torg:

we can argue about that some other time, what hardware do you use?

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Torg:

and for dishnet and directtv that programs runs on the card, and it is the CAM

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Torg:

you probably have a slightly differnt infrstructure thats all

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Juski:

CI == common interface, so to say 'CI Interface' is just silly

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Ruleke:

yeah I know

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Ruleke:

:)

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Torg:

so what hardware do you use?

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Juski:

evil, AND pedantic today

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Ruleke:

:p

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nomego_:

Juski: as in "Windows 2000 – based on NT-technology" ? ;)

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Ruleke:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/PCI_devices_DVB-S

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Torg:

Ruleke I have the technisat, i cant see any card slot

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Torg:

or is there some piece of harware that goes on, like a daughter card?

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Ruleke:

it's usually an add-on card

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Juski:

wasn't DishNetwork what Murdoch called turd-sat or something the other week?

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Ruleke:

yer

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Ruleke:

well not a card as such, it doesn't have a pci connector :)

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Ruleke:

but yeah a daughterboard

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Torg:

ok so where do I get one of those?

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Torg:

specifcly if I can do it with a TT2 it would be nice

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fryfrog:

so w/o a smartcard, what can a dvb-s card do?

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fryfrog:

get some free to air stuff?

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Ruleke:

get fta channels

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Torg:

tune satalite transmittions that are not encrypted

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fryfrog:

i see

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Torg:

you need a dish, posibly a diseq and card

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fryfrog:

i guess there are no HD channels

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Ruleke:

I got my stuff from www.dvbshop.net

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Torg:

not unless you pay, usually

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Ruleke:

yeah there are

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fryfrog:

do they have the qam thingies?

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Ruleke:

I think euro1080 is fta.. no ?

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Ruleke:

qam thingies ?

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Torg:

maybe Ruleke, but I cant see it :P

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Ruleke:

you mean CAM ?

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Torg:

no he means QPSK

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Ruleke:

:P

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fryfrog:

soory, cam

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Ruleke:

yes they have a few

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fryfrog:

stupid cable :)

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Ruleke:

you need the right one though

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fryfrog:

ah

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Torg:

hes asking if he has to screw with three differnt formats of QAM shit like you do on US cable

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Ruleke:

I do dvb-c with CAM too

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Torg:

were talking dvb-S not dvb-c

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fryfrog:

-c?

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seth|laptop:

question, last night while watching HDTV OTA, I noticed the program (Law and Order SVU) was a beautiful 16:9 image, however, when the commercials came on in between, they were little boxes in the middle of my screen. Is there a way, (other than using the "Fill" option for ZTV playback) to make this image stay consistent?

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fryfrog:

cable?

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Ruleke:

yes

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Torg:

yes seth, run commglagg :)

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fryfrog:

seth|laptop: i see the same thing, and in fact it *behaves* the same way on my real cable box

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Ruleke:

seth|laptop: ffwd throguh the commercial ;)

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fryfrog:

Torg: *sometimes* they don't switch back to full screen until a few seconds *into* the show

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Torg:

fryfrog Ruleke lives in the UK, their cable is differnt then ours

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fryfrog:

it sucks

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seth|laptop:

hehe commflag, I normally do that, but last night I was watching "LiveTV"

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fryfrog:

suker :)

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Torg:

fryfrog rember that wonderfull QAM you had, guess what else they do to the stream

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Ruleke:

Torg: no I don't live in the UK

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seth|laptop:

so that is a normal thing, and its not going to blow something up?

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Torg:

oh I thought you did, sorry

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Juski:

our cable (UK) is shit

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Ruleke:

but it's still different I bet :)

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fryfrog:

seth|laptop: no, its normal and sukes :)

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seth|laptop:

thanks

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** seth|laptop whew, thought his tv was gonna get hosed **

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fryfrog:

anyone catch heroes or jerico btw?

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fryfrog:

heroes looked super

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Juski:

NT-Hell and Testewaste

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seth|laptop:

Heroes was awesome

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Ruleke:

no idea what you guys are on about :)

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Torg:

I prefer the colors of CSI, but yes it was

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fryfrog:

anyway, time to goto work :(

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Torg:

there talking about US brodcasters TV shows

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Ruleke:

brrr

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Torg:

Heros is a new series

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** Ruleke remembers some US tv **

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Torg:

CSI is rather old, and you should at least see the reruns

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Torg:

alto I can distly rember seeing first run CSI while I was in the UK

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Ruleke:

well somewhere inbetween those commercials there was a program iirc

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seth|laptop:

I didnt cathc the first night, but I cought it last night,(watched it commflagged, only saw a 16:9 picture) it skipped the commercials perfectly, BTW my wife thinks commercial skip is the greatest thing since indoor plumbing

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seth|laptop:

hehe

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Ruleke:

yeah I don't like CSI

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Ruleke:

the computer always magically solves stuff

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Torg:

my wife thinks she is missing someting when I skip them and makes me go back and show here

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Torg:

I think shes fiannly relaised its just commericals

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Torg:

what I was thinking of doing would be a ratehr easy commflag if vid=1080&&AC3 keep, if not dump

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seth|laptop:

well before myth, we had dish network dvr, and she had to hit the skip button, now it just happens automagically, and yesterday she figured out how to make a playlist. She is definitely 85% myth-ready ;-)

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Torg:

mine loves it but wouldnt go near it if I wernt sitting next to her

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mikearthur:

is it possible to have the TV go fullscreen and not use a window but the gui use a window, on mythfrontend

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Torg:

you mean flip resolutins from watching tv, to myth? yes

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mikearthur:

I mean make it fullscreen and stop being a window (making it on top of others) ONLY for TV

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Torg:

sounds like you have run in a window cheked, it shouldnt do that

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Torg:

that or your using something external to watch tv, like mplayer

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mikearthur:

I don't, but I want it to behave like mplayer

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mikearthur:

can you use dvbstream AND mythtvbackend at the same time?

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Torg:

no

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mikearthur:

ok

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mikearthur:

will there be quality differences between mpeg2 decoders?

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Juski:

mikearthur: you can if you set mythbackend to use cards on-demand

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Torg:

Juski have you gotten that to actually work :P

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Juski:

yup

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Torg:

must be my cards then, it fails as if I never even set it for me

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mikearthur:

so Juski, does that mean mythtv will just steal the card if it starts to record

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Juski:

mikearthur: yes it does

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Torg:

oh fryfrog, what I told you about QPSK is wrong

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mikearthur:

so dvbstream will just stop working?

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Torg:

Ruleke I just found out I cant use a DVB-S card int the US

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Ruleke:

too bad

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Ruleke:

why not ?

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Torg:

QPSK vs 8PSK

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Ruleke:

what do they use on the US sat ?

[13:17:27]

Ruleke:

ah

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Torg:

Ill need a DVB-S2 card

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Torg:

and even then it may stil not work

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Torg:

whats really screwey is I thought the 8,16 and 32 belongs to ISDB not DVB

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Torg:

so it seems dishnet in particular used 8PSK on DVB

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Torg:

so even then the S2 cards may not work

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Ruleke:

erm

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Juski:

mikearthur: it's be more like dvbstream would continue & you'd end up with 0 length mythtv recordings

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mikearthur:

hmm, ok, I'll keep using myth then

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mikearthur:

I don't want someone to be using dvbstream which breaks recordings

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Ruleke:

I didn't think any orders higher than 8PSK were used because the error rates are terrible compared to QAM

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Torg:

im not sure but qam is for cable, not sat

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Ruleke:

it doesn't matter, I am talking about the modulation itself

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Torg:

your probabbly correct then

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Ruleke:

8PSK compares a bit with 16-QAM in error-rate performance

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** Juski throws the stupid Cisco IP phone out the window **

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Torg:

hey all I know is what I was reading about the dishnet signals, Im not an expert on HD :P

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Ruleke:

no matter

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seth|laptop:

so, if a recording is 3.5GB for a half hour, is that a 1080i broadcast?

[13:25:06]

Torg:

seth its mostly tue

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Torg:

my hour long ones come in about 6.5–8G

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Torg:

depdns on how many commericals how much non HD

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seth|laptop:

last nights law and order svu was 7.1GB

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Torg:

and the sound in AC3 jacks up the size considerably

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Juski:

audio is harder to compress lossily than video

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Torg:

-rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 7788686216 Sep 26 22:00 2111_20060926210000.mpg

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seth|laptop:

now I just need to figure out how to make it smaller, and remove the commercials, I need a doc

[13:26:28]

Torg:

thats last nights SVU

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seth|laptop:

so you are on the east coast/us

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Torg:

well transcoding at the very least will strip out commercials, that should drop about 2G off it

[13:27:15]

Torg:

I live in Texas, its central time

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Juski:

wouldn't rely on auto-transcoding to trim the ads out if I were you though

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seth|laptop:

-rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 7005536256 Sep 24 23:00 1139_20060924200001.mpg

[13:28:18]

seth|laptop:

OTA or Cable QAM

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Torg:

OTA, ATSC

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seth|laptop:

I am OTA, ATSC as well

[13:28:46]

seth|laptop:

Pennsylvania

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Torg:

the differnce is the commercails

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seth|laptop:

ah

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Torg:

that and your start may be slightly differnt then mine, since I use NTP I sorta doubt that tho

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seth|laptop:

yeah, knoppmyth enables ntp by default

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Torg:

Torg enables ntp by default :P

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seth|laptop:

so does mythburn, compress the shows, to fit more on a dvd, or will I have to use an external app?

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Torg:

I dont burn mine, so I dont know

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seth|laptop:

well I have 30GB of boohbah, that i would like to put on a dvd for my daughter, so I guess I'll just have to try it and see :-)

[13:31:22]

Torg:

I am wondering why the show that came on a 9:00PM shows up with a 10:00PM timestamp tho

[13:31:40]

seth|laptop:

mine came on at 10PM, and it shows 11PM

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Juski:

seth|laptop: it _can_ compress them. you'd need to transcode to SD anyway

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Torg:

oh yea like Juski said I forgot, DVD cant do 1080I

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Juski:

Torg: cos that's when the file was last modified?

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Torg:

youll need to transcode it

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seth|laptop:

ok

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seth|laptop:

this is something I have to do before using myth to put it on a dvd?

[13:33:21]

Torg:

Juski im an idiot, thanks :)

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Torg:

I need more coffee, of course its dowing me mtime :P

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** Torg wonders if trading recording is legal **

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Beirdo:

ssh: flagon: Temporary failure in name resolution

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Beirdo:

WTF?

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Juski:

Torg: no it's not

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Beirdo:

not in USA/Canada for sure

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Torg:

not legal or not illegal?

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Juski:

not legal

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Beirdo:

other countries may vary, but I doubt it

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Beirdo:

not legal

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seth|laptop:

it should be legal, as long as no money changes hands

[13:36:15]

Beirdo:

heh, should has nothing to do with the law :)

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Torg:

gese seems stupid I wonder why it was free, I recorderd it free, didnt decode anything I just wat to share it to those who forgot to record it and vice versa

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seth|laptop:

true

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Juski:

oh ffs not this again

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Juski:

it's illegal, end of story

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kslater:

what about lending it out to someone? like a book?

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Juski:

NO

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Torg:

like I would call setha dn say dude I forgot to record SVU ship me yours

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Beirdo:

we have no rights to distribute in any way

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Torg:

I know replayTV does it

[13:37:02]

Juski:

it's classed as 'fair use' which means you watch it at home

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Dibblah:

If only we could fast forward IRC :(

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Beirdo:

hehe

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paranoid_:

just like giving a friend a copy of a cassette was illegal in the 80s :)

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Torg:

thats probably true about what I want to do with a DVB card and CAM too

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kslater:

A copy I can understand. the original I can't

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Beirdo:

what we are recording is a copy

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psofa:

anyone got ivtv-0.8 to compile with 2.6.18?

[13:38:24]

kslater:

true

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Beirdo:

if you have the original recordings, you must work at the studio :)

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Juski:

kslater: can't understand? You own a film but your friend wants to watch it, so rather than allow you to lend him it, make him buy his own

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Juski:

I'd rather sell 2 than one if it was my gig

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Torg:

in fact im rather suprised no major brodcaster has attacked mythtv yet

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paranoid_:

hehe

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kslater:

Juski: ok I just finished reading a book. I don't own the content or the original work, but I can certainly lend it to a friend

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Torg:

im pretty sure they dotn like us comflagging

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seth|laptop:

wow, if thats true, I'm in big trouble, my family is always borrowing dvd's from me (looks out window to see if men in dark sunglasses are waiting at his car) heh

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Torg:

seth my famility borrows them then forgets to give them back

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jamesp:

I thought timeshifting was legit anyhow

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Juski:

they're already looking at ways of locking software to playback hardware

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paranoid_:

I think perhaps lending a cd/dvd to a friend is illegal but not prosecutable :)

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Juski:

jamesp: it is, but only by the skin of its teeth

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Beirdo:

lending a copy certainly is illegal though

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Torg:

jamesp timeshifting impliciutly is legal becase the EFF (in the US at least) won that, they lost the commercail editng one tho

[13:40:48]

Torg:

commflagging killed the replaytvs

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Torg:

so that why I wonder why they allow it in myth

[13:41:06]

jamesp:

Torg, really. wow. I don't commflag anyway as it never seems to work for me

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seth|laptop:

well you don't pay for it, so they can't track it.

[13:41:23]

Torg:

hey im an engineer not a laywer, so I cant say for sure

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jamesp:

but setting fast forward to jump 30s increments works well :)

[13:41:37]

Torg:

about 99% of the DCMA seems stupid to me anyway

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seth|laptop:

commflag is the greatest thing

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Torg:

commflag rocks

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Juski:

commflag sucks

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Juski:

(in the UK)

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Ruleke:

same here

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seth|laptop:

mine works about 96% of the time, occasionally a "sponsored by" trips it up,but otherwise its pretty flawless

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** Torg points at Juski, he cant get it to work, he cant get it to work, ha ha ha ha, he cant get it to work :P **

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Ruleke:

never had a successful commflag run

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Beirdo:

I guess the UK broadcasters play other tricks

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Torg:

some of the ads here are deceptive too

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Beirdo:

need some UK coders to help out with making that better :)

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Torg:

they put fake logos in, letterbox the commercails, all kinds of things

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Ruleke:

I'm not in the UK... seems the current commflag si just US centric :p

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Torg:

every once in a while myth dosnt flag someting

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Beirdo:

Ruleke, you are NOT in the UK? /whois says otherwise :)

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Torg:

75% of the time it works fine tho

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Ruleke:

whois is your friend eh ? :)

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Ruleke:

My server is in the UK

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seth|laptop:

tricky

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Beirdo:

commflag isn't US centric. it's just been developed with shows that happen to be in the US.

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jamesp:

Juski, yeah, i'm in the UK too and it's never really worked

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Ruleke:

I don't know any shows with commercials... you mean networks

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Beirdo:

if someone wants to make it even more robust, I'm sure patches would be gratefully accepted

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Ruleke:

yeah I have been meaning to

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Beirdo:

no, I mean shows

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Ruleke:

for instance, here the blank frame thing is blue

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Torg:

I was seriousl;y considering the drop all by HDTV filter

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Beirdo:

we watch shows, not networks (well, most of us)

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Ruleke:

Beirdo: same shows here :p

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Torg:

for most of my recording that would work fine, until they start makign HD commericals

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Beirdo:

different commercials, though.

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Ruleke:

aha

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Ruleke:

but that shouldn't matter as much...

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** seth|laptop saw an hd commercial last night. Sprint PCS has one with a footbal start **

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Beirdo:

the broadcasters do things differently, I guess

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Torg:

commercials differ even in the US

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Ruleke:

yes

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Torg:

the same show recorded by me and seth differ in size implicitly because we hae a differnt set of commericals

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Ruleke:

I'll check it out later

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jamesp:

Juski, what's your setup? DVB-T? Do you have Sky at all?

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Torg:

about 50% of the commerical seth sees I see, the other parts are local ones

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seth|laptop:

right

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Torg:

or something like that :)

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seth|laptop:

local news, stuff like that, car dealer commercials, pap johns commercials, probably all different

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Torg:

papa johns are nations ones, I think

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Torg:

there should be national ones, local ones, and local station ones

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seth|laptop:

i didn't know that

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seth|laptop:

so pap johns is nation wide, very cool

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Torg:

sometimes you see later on... fromt the netowrk and the int eh lcoal news... from the brodacsters

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seth|laptop:

papa johns

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seth|laptop:

appologies

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Ruleke:

sounds scary

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Torg:

I dunno if its nationwide but I get the same ones

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Torg:

what sounds scarry papa johns pizza?

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seth|laptop:

papa johns pizza = very good

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Torg:

papa johns pizza = acceptable

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Beirdo:

Pizza Slut is good too

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seth|laptop:

every friday night

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Torg:

its at least better thent eh otehr cardboard with tomatoe sauce fare

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seth|laptop:

wife can't handle pizza huts sauce. gives her heartburn

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Beirdo:

I've heard others with that problem too :(

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Torg:

I want Giordano's to fedex me some :)

[13:50:23]

Juski:

jamesp: I get $ky One, two etc through my ntl cable box & pvr150. everything else is 2x dvb-t

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seth|laptop:

fortunately, I have never experienced heart burn, but I know, when she eats that , she suffers greatly

[13:51:20]

Torg:

Juski whats the differnce betweek sky1 and sky2 etc, I used to see commericals but never know what that was (other then just tv shows)

[13:51:22]

Juski:

"i'll have the ___ sauce with a side order of Gaviscon, please"

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Torg:

I know some is encrytped, as I see "buy our pirate whatevers" but what is it?

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Juski:

Torg: $ky one is an 'entertainment' channel, where they show 1st showings of 'top shows'. $ky 2 repeats older shows already shown on $ky One

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Torg:

pay tv?

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paranoid_:

$ky 2 is $ky 1 – 6 months

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Juski:

yeah both are

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Torg:

I sorta gatherd that by the way you type there name :) but I wasnt sure

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Juski:

naw it's $ky cos it costs so much

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Torg:

hey dishnet and driecttv aint cheap here either

[13:54:36]

Torg:

I used to have dishnet, with 3 recivers, all dvrs

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Juski:

I call $ky's own pvr $ky plu$

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Torg:

did sdtv I lovd it, cost me about $150/moth

[13:54:55]

Torg:

then I wanted to upgrade to HDTV

[13:55:02]

Torg:

nice lady said $500 please

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Juski:

wha?!

[13:55:12]

Torg:

I said take this and shove it up your.... you get the idea

[13:55:25]

Torg:

built an ATSC tuner, got an older the the hills antinet antenna

[13:55:46]

Torg:

the neighbors actualy wonders why I put it a plain ol antenna im probbly the only one for miles with one

[13:55:54]

Torg:

and now I record 80% of what I did for free

[13:56:12]

Torg:

im half serois of making my own "atsc is better then cable" commercail

[13:56:31]

Torg:

we get bombarded with get dignal this, get dignatl cable, get free sat, get free blah

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : -v jams

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Torg:

I want to have one that says "here is really free, tel the rest to go screw themselves)

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Juski:

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Torg:

oh and did I meantion my nighboars stil disablilive that I get free OTA via ATSC at at least 2x the quality they pay >$50 on digital cable?

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seth|laptop:

My neighbors asked me, why I wwas putting an antenna up. He saw the dish network dish, and said, "You know you can get local channels now" I said yeah, I have them , this is for HDTV, and he couldn't figure out how I was getting that from the air. So I showed him, now he wants a myth box. heh

[13:58:06]

Juski:

google for "the words 'digital' and 'quality' are not synonmymous" ;-)

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Juski:

s/synonmymous/sysnonymous

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Juski:

pfft.. can't speeel

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Juski:

synsydfydbvf

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Dravik:

does anyone here use LVM at all on their setup at home?

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Torg:

yes Dravik, but what your asking is more like does anyone here use AN LVM

[14:05:52]

Juski:

heh. why lose one disk when you can lose a whole array an once?

[14:06:10]

Torg:

Logical Volume Management could mean anything form BIOS mirroring two drives, to Veritas Foundation Suite

[14:06:20]

Dravik:

sorry let me clarifly

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Dravik:

i'm looking to build a system but i don't know if i should just use raid5 or raid5+lvm over it for growing disks

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Torg:

Juski havnt you head of raid5 :P

[14:06:57]

Dravik:

my main concern is expanding pretty much. i wanted to build something scalable.

[14:07:10]

Dravik:

i don't have a lot of experience in raid5 or using LVM in linux.

[14:07:16]

Torg:

Dravik if you can tell me mare epcifcly what you are looking at I can help you

[14:07:31]

Ruleke:

I'm running raid5 lvm

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Torg:

I am a strorage atchitect, its what I do for a living :)

[14:07:32]

Juski:

Torg: it's have to be RAID5 for me to trust LVM

[14:07:53]

Torg:

you want to simply expand the system thats all?

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Dravik:

yeah

[14:08:12]

Torg:

best way to do that is to 2x your storage every time, if you do less you will impact performance

[14:08:19]

Dravik:

like i don't know how well OTA HD will work in my area

[14:08:27]

Torg:

but that has nothing to do with what riad volume you set

[14:08:29]

Dravik:

so i just wanted to build a mythtv test bed really and see how much it works out

[14:08:51]

Torg:

hell you could record HD on a floppy if it wernt so small :)

[14:08:55]

Dravik:

hehe

[14:09:07]

Dravik:

yeah but i wanted to keep my HD stuff if it works well or even my SD stuff that i record

[14:09:13]

Torg:

its not realy speed you want, altho its not neglegable

[14:09:37]

Dravik:

i wnated to keep up an archive of sorts and scaling up disk space is what i don't want to get stuck at

[14:09:52]

Dravik:

i'm also looking to buy my hardware soon and i don't want to buy some disks i can't use anymore due to expanding issues.

[14:10:05]

Torg:

personally I saimply stripe the whole thing, if it dies ill rebuild it. I dont care enough if I loose my recodings to justify the costs of making it redundant

[14:10:27]

Torg:

you can get external SATA arrays fairly cheap

[14:10:34]

jamesp:

Personally I don't archive stuff – mythtv for me is just timeshifting

[14:10:40]

Torg:

nice tolerant SCSI drives are still expensiv

[14:10:46]

Torg:

FC drives are exobitant

[14:11:07]

Dravik:

like i don't know if it's best to have 1 like 30–80g drive for the os and say mp3's etc. then buy another 300g drive. but when i want to add to that.. can i do that without losing what's on my 300g drive already or do i just need to have a striped disk, then when i buy another .. just rebuild the array

[14:11:16]

Torg:

but if you do raid5 without a hardware raid controler your system will wiffer, greatly

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Torg:

err suffer

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Dravik:

i don't know how much i'll be saving either tbh.

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Dravik:

yeah. i just wanted to build the system so i can scale up with it is all. didn't know if i would need to use raid 1 or 5 and lvm or just raid alone

[14:12:08]

Torg:

well youll need ~10G for the OS, whatever for mp3's and games

[14:12:18]

Torg:

and a 300G for recoding is fine

[14:12:19]

Dravik:

no games. just for tv / music

[14:12:40]

Dravik:

so use at least 2 drives then

[14:12:44]

Torg:

allot would depoend on how many mp3's you have and how much TV you want to keep

[14:13:02]

Torg:

I have a 100G primary and a 200G recording

[14:13:05]

Dravik:

well i've read that HD is roughly 9gigs per hour before any transcoding and commerical edit

[14:13:18]

Torg:

more like 7

[14:13:25]

Dravik:

even better

[14:13:32]

dverzolla:

Hi, I has applied the fix-mythweb-in-0.20.diff on my mythweb... but I tried to schedule a video and get the error: error string: SQL Error: Column 'seriesid' cannot be null [#1048]

[14:13:47]

Torg:

so seth and I just had this conversation nto 30 mins ago

[14:13:47]

Torg:

-rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 7788686216 Sep 26 22:00 2111_20060926210000.mpg

[14:13:52]

Torg:

that is last nights SVU

[14:14:04]

Torg:

one hour long with commericals, not transocded nothing, its raw

[14:14:08]

Dravik:

depending on how well OTA works, i could end up saving a lot of HD stuff.

[14:14:15]

Torg:

its very typical of my recordings

[14:14:29]

Torg:

how strong is your OTA signal?

[14:14:48]

Dravik:

according to antennaweb.org i'm 4–7 miles from every station but ABC

[14:14:52]

Dravik:

ABC is like 16

[14:14:59]

Torg:

hell use a coat hanger then :P

[14:15:13]

Dravik:

don't think i'll need an outdoor antenna?

[14:15:14]

dverzolla:

Torg, You are encoding your videos directly to mpg?

[14:15:22]

Torg:

I dont even think youll need an antenna period :P

[14:15:32]

jamesp:

just hold your hard drive up in the air

[14:15:34]

Torg:

yes an internal one, givn there is nothing interfearing will be more then fine

[14:15:49]

Dravik:

so just for testing purposes buy a small radio shack antenna just to hook up to the tuner card?

[14:16:17]

Torg:

dversolla they are OTA, ATSC broadcasts. They are mpeg2 with AC3 from the bcast, I simply dump it (well the card does) to disk

[14:16:18]

dverzolla:

Help Please!!! I has applied the fix-mythweb-in-0.20.diff on my mythweb... but I tried to schedule a video and get the error: error string: SQL Error: Column 'seriesid' cannot be null [#1048]

[14:16:37]

Torg:

yes Dravik, hell if you want I can proobly give you one in my garage :)

[14:16:41]

Dravik:

what kind of hardware do you run for your system if i might ask? i'm still trying to figure out a few things.

[14:16:46]

Dravik:

Torg lol

[14:16:49]

Torg:

what you need is a deceint UHF/VHF antenna

[14:17:11]

Dravik:

i just wanted to get something setup to test it out with and then if things work great, invest in some better hardware and setup s oi can start streaming to parts of the house.

[14:17:30]

Torg:

I run two boxes one is the BE running an AMD 1.3 ghz, ati video card (that isnt used) and the two drives

[14:17:45]

Torg:

the FE is an intel P4 3.0 hg, with nvidia 6600

[14:17:58]

Dravik:

do you just go dvi to hdmi or something?

[14:17:59]

Torg:

both run about 50% utlizaion at "normal" operation

[14:18:08]

Dravik:

how much ram?

[14:18:16]

Torg:

yes I do DVI to HDMI to a JVC 61" HDTV

[14:18:29]

jamesp:

61 inch? Holy crap

[14:18:32]

Torg:

the BE has 1G the FE 2G, I hardly use it

[14:18:36]

Dravik:

i have an old p4 3.0ghz board with an ati pro 9800 and an asus motherboard

[14:18:42]

Dravik:

so i mean that stuff is collecting dust

[14:18:48]

Dravik:

i just need to get a psu and a cheap case and some ram

[14:19:03]

Dravik:

i didn't know if i should get a 512 of a gig of dual channel

[14:19:07]

Dravik:

and i need to buy some disks.

[14:19:17]

Dravik:

er 512 or a gig

[14:19:18]

Torg:

the FE *could* run diskless too

[14:19:24]

Dravik:

plus the tuner card.

[14:19:34]

Torg:

but yes thorw in an old 10–50G disk for your os

[14:19:40]

Torg:

tuner card goes in the BE

[14:19:41]

Dravik:

i've been reading about that. it's what got me interested in MythTV and building my own stuff to begin with.

[14:19:58]

Dravik:

right now i'll just do one box until i get everything working properly.

[14:20:11]

Dravik:

plus sinec i just moved into this house i have to wire it.

[14:20:12]

Torg:

teh only real way I can stress my systems (well other then to compile myth itself) is to hve the BE record two channsl at once

[14:20:18]

Torg:

it then runs about 75%

[14:20:22]

dverzolla:

Torg, But you use the mythtv in this process?

[14:20:26]

Torg:

we wont talk about comflagging tho :P

[14:20:42]

Dravik:

i plan on doing up to 3–4 recordings at once if possible

[14:20:44]

Torg:

yes I run mythbackend on the BE and mythfrontend on the FE

[14:20:49]

Dravik:

do you do any SD recordings?

[14:20:50]

Torg:

(I would think that was implied)

[14:20:56]

Torg:

not if I can help it :)

[14:21:01]

Torg:

yes sometimes I record SD

[14:21:03]

Dravik:

hehe

[14:21:09]

Torg:

its really HDTV with SD inside tho

[14:21:16]

Dravik:

well stuff like BSG and FX shows aren't HD where i'm at

[14:21:22]

Torg:

I dont know if that me, or just how they brodcast here

[14:21:24]

Dravik:

unless there is premium content i don't know about.

[14:21:25]

dverzolla:

Torg, And after you get your videos you do a post job?

[14:21:37]

Torg:

other then comflagging, no

[14:21:47]

Dravik:

what is comflagging?

[14:21:52]

Torg:

commerical flagging

[14:21:54]

Dravik:

excuse my ignorance, i haven't seen that term.

[14:21:55]

Dravik:

oh i see

[14:21:59]

Torg:

most of the time I forget there are commericals :)

[14:22:10]

Torg:

I say most, it dosnt work 100%

[14:22:18]

Dravik:

do you do that on the fly or does myth go back and flag out commericals?

[14:22:31]

mikearthur:

does anyone else have the problem with mythfilldatabase giving them two copies of every channel, and one has the channel name in the channel number field?

[14:22:34]

Torg:

yes and well sorta

[14:22:44]

Torg:

it takes much longer to flagg them then it took to record them

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Torg:

so while it starts while its recoding it dosnt usually finish untill much later (about an hour)

[14:23:12]

Dravik:

is there a queue process to do one then say another show instead of doing them .. all at once?

[14:23:19]

Dravik:

oh ok

[14:23:29]

Torg:

yes in fact that is the jobqueues intended purpose

[14:23:34]

Torg:

I can, and do run remote jobs

[14:23:41]

Dravik:

ah ok

[14:23:42]

Magec:

Hi, I have installed mythtv with success, almost everything is working right. Now im trying to make it more usable and I the main problem I have is the latency when zapping. I have an Avermedia DVB-T card, any idea on how to improve performance when zappings channels?

[14:23:48]

Torg:

that just makes 2 jobs run in paralel and its not multithreaded

[14:23:54]

mikearthur:

Magec: you can't

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fryfrog:

"zapping"?

[14:24:04]

Magec:

Concise answer

[14:24:21]

Torg:

ok concise quesiton: what the hell is zapping

[14:24:32]

Magec:

swapping between channels

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jamesp:

Magec, don't bother. Try and wean off LiveTV

[14:24:45]

jamesp:

It's every newbies first question :)

[14:24:46]

Torg:

that is the factor of your card, no you cant mke it go faster

[14:24:50]

Magec:

the latency is 10 or even 20 secs... quite a lot

[14:24:54]

fryfrog:

yeah, don't use live tv :)

[14:24:59]

jamesp:

Torg, it's not the card – it's myth

[14:25:02]

Magec:

hehehe

[14:25:10]

Dravik:

so you can't change channels quickly?

[14:25:12]

Torg:

relly mine does it with azap, with mplayer, and with myth

[14:25:27]

Torg:

takes 10–15 seconds to tune and up to 30 secods to lock

[14:25:30]

Magec:

thats the point... is it mythtv or my card?

[14:25:40]

jamesp:

Torg most of the explanations I've seen involve setting up the ringbuffer and all that crap.

[14:25:41]

fryfrog:

I think it is both, in most situations

[14:25:42]

Torg:

then wherever the stream was about 10 seocns more to find a P frams and start

[14:25:55]

fryfrog:

the cards are not fast, but myth adds to it due to the design

[14:26:00]

Torg:

so jack up the ring buffer?

[14:26:07]

jamesp:

All I know is using Windows with my DVB-T stick gives me 1–2 secons for a channel change, myth 10–20x

[14:26:08]

Magec:

If I set the audio sync off and livetv should improve?

[14:26:12]

Torg:

I just live with it :)

[14:26:18]

fryfrog:

doubtful

[14:26:32]

jamesp:

jack up the ringbuffer? down more like :)

[14:26:41]

Torg:

less buffer?

[14:26:51]

mikearthur:

does anyone else have the problem with mythfilldatabase giving them two copies of every channel, and one has the channel name in the channel number field?

[14:26:56]

jamesp:

yeah, less to fill when stream changes.

[14:26:56]

Dravik:

so getting a mythtv livetv stream to another frontend in the house isn't doable right now?

[14:27:04]

Magec:

cant you tune more than one channel with one of those cards?

[14:27:08]

fryfrog:

Dravik: huh?

[14:27:11]

Dravik:

or it still works just changing the channel takes a bit of time.

[14:27:18]

** jamesp doesn't care anyway – no need for livetv if everything you want to watch is already recorded :) **

[14:27:20]

Torg:

Drakick yes its doable its the actual function of the FE

[14:27:24]

fryfrog:

its prolly the same speed

[14:27:47]

Dravik:

well one of the main things i wnated to do was just watch tv can i flip channels and watch whatever is on?

[14:27:49]

** Torg feals the same way as jamesp **

[14:27:54]

jamesp:

Dravik, it works – just slow.

[14:27:59]

fryfrog:

Dravik: sure, its just a bit slow

[14:28:00]

Dravik:

i don't care about the time it takes to load up. it's just for background noise

[14:28:04]

Dravik:

ah ok

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fryfrog:

once you pick a ton of shows to record, you'll stop using livetv

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fryfrog:

i promise

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Dravik:

i don't care about that as long as it displays it once it's locked.

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jamesp:

you'll get used to not channel changing – just leave it be

[14:28:28]

Dravik:

hehe i have a dual tuner DVR from dish. it's full and i d/l what it misses.

[14:28:32]

Dravik:

that's why i'm wanting to do this.

[14:28:50]

Dravik:

i need to record 3–4 shows at once since they all come on at the same damn time. plus the FE concept in all our rooms

[14:28:51]

Torg:

Dravik downloading showes is illegal

[14:29:05]

Dravik:

it is?

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jamesp:

Dravik, 3 or 4 tuners for you then

[14:29:09]

Torg:

a huh

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Dravik:

why?

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Torg:

and like james said put in more then 1 tuner

[14:29:27]

mikearthur:

Dravik: it just is

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mikearthur:

because you don't own the rights to distribute it

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Dravik:

i wasn't aware of that.

[14:29:53]

jamesp:

Since when is *downloading* the same as distributing?

[14:29:57]

Torg:

im not telling you what to do, just dont talk about it here

[14:29:58]

drdaz:

does the law not vary between countries?

[14:30:11]

Dravik:

my bad.

[14:30:29]

** Torg points at MythLogBot **

[14:30:32]

Dravik:

yeah i just need to settle on a hd card and a SD card.

[14:30:40]

jamesp:

the law does vary, Torg is just making a very general statement

[14:30:50]

** drdaz nods **

[14:31:00]

Torg:

your right jamesp, im just teling him to be carefull thats all

[14:31:11]

jamesp:

Americans don't seem to mind the lack of fair use these days :P

[14:31:14]

Torg:

and im not a cop and I dont enforece anything

[14:31:34]

Torg:

we wont talk abotu what I do vs that I talk about, now will we :P

[14:31:44]

drdaz:

and in fairness.. it's more for the sake of mythtv than keeping your a$$ out of trouble :)

[14:31:51]

fryfrog:

I like the PVR series, 150,250,500

[14:32:01]

Dravik:

what i was curious about was would i need to rent a STB from my cable company if i had like say .. 2–3 tuners i could just put a splitter in front of and come in off the cable source?

[14:32:02]

fryfrog:

and my air2pc hd5000 (i think?) has been great

[14:32:16]

fryfrog:

Dravik: you won't get the "digital" channels

[14:32:18]

Dravik:

air2pc – that implies no antenna needed?

[14:32:27]

Dravik:

so i still need the STB period

[14:32:32]

fryfrog:

I think what I am going to do is rent 2 cable boxes and use svideo

[14:32:38]

fryfrog:

so i can get the non-analog channels

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Torg:

air2pc menas you need an antenna

[14:32:46]

fryfrog:

Dravik: no, "Air2PC" is the brand

[14:32:46]

jamesp:

fryfrog, sounds expensive

[14:32:54]

Dravik:

can i split off the STB for digital channels? like BSG or FX channels

[14:32:58]

fryfrog:

it can also read QAM

[14:33:08]

GreyFoxx:

Dravik: No The STB outputs 1 channel at a time

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Dravik:

oh i thought maybe it was a card that a antenna on it.

[14:33:11]

Torg:

0000:00:0d.0 Network controller: Techsan Electronics Co Ltd B2C2 FlexCopII DVB chip / Technisat SkyStar2 DVB card (rev 02)

[14:33:14]

** seth|laptop has 2 air2pc cards, $40 bucks each on ebay, they work very well **

[14:33:17]

Torg:

hes talking about one of those

[14:33:20]

Torg:

or like those

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GreyFoxx:

So you can split it, but it will only be one channel :)_

[14:33:32]

fryfrog:

christ, $40 each? Why was mine like $200?

[14:33:39]

Dravik:

so i won't be able to record 2 shows at once =(

[14:33:52]

fryfrog:

Dravik: you need 1 *tuner* per simult recording

[14:33:54]

Torg:

*if* they were on the same mux, yes

[14:33:56]

** jamesp is still waiting for myth to support recording two programs from one tuner (certainly doable if they are on the same DVB MUX) **

[14:34:01]

fryfrog:

so if you have 4x pvr 150 cards, you get 4 recordings at once

[14:34:13]

Dravik:

no what i'm saying if i buy a pvr 500 with dual tuners

[14:34:23]

Dravik:

and split that off the STB for just normal SD digital channels

[14:34:23]

fryfrog:

you'll record 2 at once

[14:34:26]

Torg:

unlike jamesp tho, my muxes alternate streama are just things like weather and sd versions of the HD

[14:34:27]

Dravik:

i can record 2 at once?

[14:34:30]

fryfrog:

yes

[14:34:37]

Dravik:

oh i thought grey said i'd get only 1 channel outputted

[14:34:39]

fryfrog:

the pvr500 is really 2 cards on one slot

[14:34:43]

GreyFoxx:

Jesus christ

[14:34:44]

Torg:

pvr500 is SD tho

[14:34:48]

Dravik:

yeah it's like two pve 150s

[14:34:52]

Dravik:

er pvr

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fryfrog:

right, yeah sd

[14:34:53]

drdaz:

GreyFoxx: he's back?

[14:34:53]

GreyFoxx:

THE STB OUTPUTS ! CHANNEL

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GreyFoxx:

1

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drdaz:

oh

[14:35:07]

fryfrog:

STB = cable box, right?

[14:35:10]

GreyFoxx:

yes

[14:35:11]

Dravik:

yeah

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seth|laptop:

$40, all the time – http://tinyurl.com/j4wz6

[14:35:15]

Torg:

Set Top Box

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fryfrog:

so you hook the cable box to one svideo input

[14:35:30]

fryfrog:

and "cable" to the rf input

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psofa:

anyone got ivtv-0.8 to compile with 2.6.18?

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fryfrog:

so you can recoord high chans on one, low chans on the otehr

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GreyFoxx:

IF you are recording from BEHIND the STB then there is only 1 item to record

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fryfrog:

or get two stbs

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fryfrog:

ah, right

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Dravik:

ok so i can't split off from behind it

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Dravik:

that's what i was asking

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Dravik:

ok

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fryfrog:

obviously 1 stb can only send 1 signal

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Torg:

Dravik did you see that long strig off stuff I psted, thats an Air2PC card

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Torg:

I hve two of those

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Dravik:

Torg: yeah i did.

[14:36:38]

Torg:

most of the time I record one and the other is idle, sometimes I run both at the same time (well myth does)

[14:36:44]

GreyFoxx:

Dravik: If you are lucky, and your cable company broadcasts those channels in the clear (don't count on it) you could use a QAM capable dvb tuner to record directly off the wire without a stb at all

[14:36:48]

Dravik:

what's the difference with that card opposed to the pchdtv hd-5500

[14:36:59]

Torg:

hardwre

[14:37:09]

Dravik:

Grey: i would have comcast in my area

[14:37:17]

Dravik:

anyway to know other than to test it?

[14:37:17]

fryfrog:

btw, with my air2pc card i only get 5 HD channels

[14:37:27]

Torg:

hell I get 20

[14:37:40]

Torg:

of couse most of its in spanish or is a telvagelist

[14:37:42]

seth|laptop:

I get 10

[14:37:46]

Torg:

but hey there ARE 20 channels :)

[14:37:56]

Dravik:

debating which card to buy for HD still. since i know some stuff is SD stil lthat i can't record yet.

[14:37:56]

GreyFoxx:

Dravik: a lot of areas have a couple clear unencrypted digital(and hdtv) channels which you could record

[14:37:59]

Torg:

go to antennaweb and plug in your zip code

[14:38:14]

GreyFoxx:

but most channels are encrypted and require the stb to view

[14:38:15]

Dravik:

Grey: is that like using the firewire port off the back of it as well?

[14:38:20]

Torg:

Dravik Ill assume you live in the US, correct?

[14:38:21]

** seth|laptop love's The Tube Network, reminds me of MTV before they sold out, hehe **

[14:38:26]

Dravik:

Yeah, I live in CT

[14:38:29]

fryfrog:

i think cable companys are legally required to send fta ota hd channels along cable

[14:38:37]

Torg:

go to http://www.antennaweb.com

[14:38:39]

GreyFoxx:

Dravik: well recording directly off the wire bypasses the need for you to use the stb to reecord at all

[14:38:44]

Torg:

(i think thats the site)

[14:38:45]

Dravik:

according to antennaweb.org i get cbs/nbc/abc/fox/cw/and i i think

[14:38:49]

dverzolla:

Hey All, stop to see the solution of torg and Help-me please ;)

[14:38:51]

Ruleke:

we used to have a great music channel here, then MTV bought it and made it crap

[14:38:53]

dverzolla:

---> http://pastebin.ca/184057

[14:39:01]

Torg:

in it plug in your zip code and select dignal stations, it will show you what you shoudl (in theory) be able to get)

[14:39:03]

Dravik:

Grey: That's what I'm trying to accomplish. i don't feel like renting a STB for $11 a month

[14:39:14]

paranoid_:

does anyone know of a good channel for general itx support?

[14:39:30]

Ruleke:

general itx ? :) itx is a form factor...

[14:39:48]

paranoid_:

specifically mini-itx form factor ;)

[14:39:55]

Dravik:

like nano / mini-itx cases?

[14:39:55]

Ruleke:

well yes

[14:39:59]

Ruleke:

you mean EPIA ?

[14:40:00]

GreyFoxx:

Dravik: If you want to record digital channels off the cable wire then A: You need a QAM capable dvb tuner, and B: The channels must be unecrypted or you wont be able to watch them.

[14:40:14]

paranoid_:

less the case, more the fact that my dvd drive doesn't like my hard drive and vice versa

[14:40:18]

Torg:

dverzolla if I knew how to fix it I would tell you, I have never seen it nor heard of anyone with the same problem

[14:40:19]

GreyFoxx:

If you can satisify both of those you good to go

[14:40:22]

Ruleke:

or you live in a free country and do DVB-C + CAM :)

[14:40:23]

paranoid_:

Ruleke: indeed i do, sorry, i should have been more specific :)

[14:40:37]

Ruleke:

paranoid_: what do you want to know ?

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dverzolla:

Torg, Ok man

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Dravik:

the QAM cabaple cards are different from the pvr 150 or pvr 500 correct? i need to go look to see if they support that.

[14:41:00]

GreyFoxx:

Dravik: Correct

[14:41:11]

GreyFoxx:

the PVR cards are not capable of that

[14:41:29]

Torg:

dverzolla: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/commits/223066

[14:41:31]

Dravik:

so getting pvr cards is kinda pointless unless i use the STB and then output to them

[14:41:37]

GreyFoxx:

Some versions of the Air2pc will, and the DVICO Fusion HDTV cards will do it

[14:41:53]

paranoid_:

Ruleke: I require help in diagnoising why my hard drive won't work as a master with my slimline dvd drive as a slave (or in any other configuration for that matter) but both work independently of each other, further to that, using a regular optical drive, my setup works

[14:41:56]

GreyFoxx:

the PVR cards record analog cable only, whether it's standard cable or outputted from a stb

[14:42:21]

Dravik:

so they don't even do digtal cable that i watch right now off my DVR from dish?

[14:42:22]

Ruleke:

paranoid_: sound strange indeed... I use a full size dvd m

[14:42:25]

Dravik:

or that's consider analog still

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furfurfur:

paranoid_, you running a frontent only on that machine?

[14:42:42]

GreyFoxx:

Dravik: Correct, they do NOT do digital.]

[14:42:43]

paranoid_:

Ruleke: alas a full size one wont fit in my case :)

[14:42:52]

fryfrog:

01:07.0 Network controller: Techsan Electronics Co Ltd B2C2 FlexCopII DVB chip / Technisat SkyStar2 DVB card (rev 02)

[14:42:55]

Ruleke:

paranoid_: so you set the drives with the jumpers ?

[14:42:56]

paranoid_:

furfurfur: without getting this problem diagnosed, it's a little tricky to run anything on it ;)

[14:43:00]

fryfrog:

Is that the same as the ones on ebay?

[14:43:03]

fryfrog:

rev02?

[14:43:03]

GreyFoxx:

Dravik: What your dish box outputs to the TV is analog which they can record

[14:43:11]

GreyFoxx:

but they can't record the actual digital signal

[14:43:15]

Dravik:

so i need HD cards period for all my tuners wether it's QAM or not just to record digital SD cable or HD

[14:43:15]

seth|laptop:

air2pc generation 5 will do QAM – http://mythic.tv/product_info.php?cPath=21_25 . . . fedf637e73cd

[14:43:19]

Torg:

yes fryfrog its what I have

[14:43:24]

Dravik:

oh ok

[14:43:36]

furfurfur:

paranoid_, in that case, in true geek fashion of answering your question by suggesting to do something in a different way... ditch the hard drive, and go over to www.linpvr.org and try minimyth

[14:43:47]

Dravik:

so if i went from the STB to the card in the pc i could still use the pvr card for recording something like say BSG on scifi (which i have no HD for)

[14:43:54]

paranoid_:

Ruleke: yep, then reset them, then set them in every possible configuration i could think of (Cable too) I'm going to test the drives tonight in a known working machine just incase any have died – also going to memtest the ram just to be sure that's not causing problems

[14:44:04]

Torg:

QAM = cable, 8vsb = atsck, qksp/8psk = sat

[14:44:04]

GreyFoxx:

Dravik: yes

[14:44:16]

Torg:

depdns on where you live but that is generally true

[14:44:19]

Ruleke:

paranoid_: so what does the BIOS say ?

[14:44:21]

paranoid_:

furfurfur: alas, I don't really have anything suitable to work as a backend

[14:44:39]

dverzolla:

Torg, I has applied all the paths :|

[14:44:46]

seth|laptop:

would minimyth run on an xbox?

[14:44:55]

furfurfur:

paranoid_, ah ok. Don't mine me then – I just sit here recommending minimyth all day.

[14:44:58]

Ruleke:

no there's a different one for the xbox :)

[14:45:00]

paranoid_:

Ruleke: it detects the hard drive as a master but not the dvd drive, if i unplug the hard drive it then detects the dvd drive as a master (Regardless of jumper settings)

[14:45:02]

furfurfur:

seth|laptop, nope

[14:45:09]

furfurfur:

Ruleke, is it still around?

[14:45:13]

paranoid_:

furfurfur: hehe, I looked at it, but the way my flat is configured, it just wouldn't work :(

[14:45:20]

Ruleke:

furfurfur: not updated in a while :/

[14:45:32]

furfurfur:

paranoid_, shame – it's quite a nice setup.

[14:45:37]

paranoid_:

furfurfur: it looks it :)

[14:45:38]

Ruleke:

furfurfur: though I saw some stuff on forums iirc

[14:45:56]

Ruleke:

paranoid_: so even dvd master and harddisk slave doesn't work ?

[14:46:00]

furfurfur:

Ruleke, fair enough. I got good(ish) results with Myth plugin for XBMC

[14:46:07]

Dravik:

Greyfox: but i still need 1 STB per channel to record at the same time correct?

[14:46:09]

paranoid_:

furfurfur: alas my only other pc runs windows (stumbling block number 1) and I can't realistically run cable from the living room to my room

[14:46:15]

GreyFoxx:

Dravik: Yes

[14:46:15]

paranoid_:

Ruleke: not as far as i can tell

[14:46:33]

** Juski has a DVD-R drive & HDD on the same interface on his backend.. no problems to speak of **

[14:46:38]

Ruleke:

paranoid_: does it need one of them convertors for the slimline ?

[14:46:46]

Dravik:

Greyfoxx: alright. so i'm still screwed having to rent a STB for some stuff.

[14:46:47]

furfurfur:

paranoid_, so you're building a combined backend/frontend ITX machine yeah?

[14:46:57]

paranoid_:

Ruleke: yep I've got two – one doesn't seem to work at all, the other is giving me these problems

[14:47:11]

paranoid_:

furfurfur: yip, also praying to god it's going to be meaty enough to run everything :)

[14:47:12]

** furfurfur has a VIA EPIA M10000 with HDD and slimline optical drive, works fine **

[14:47:17]

Dravik:

dishnet work doesn't charge for STB or DVR per month. maybe i should jsut stick with them and buy a HD DVR and take output off that.

[14:47:21]

paranoid_:

I'm doing this on the cheap which also doesn't help

[14:47:32]

furfurfur:

paranoid_, you should be OK if you're doing DVB with no transcoding

[14:47:36]

paranoid_:

it's an EPIA V series 800mhz

[14:47:37]

seth|laptop:

Dravik, in my area, comcast does not require a STB for digital cable, unless you wnat HBO and the like, or HDTV.

[14:47:55]

Torg:

dishnet (unless you have their hd recieve) outputs in sg

[14:47:58]

Torg:

err sd

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GreyFoxx:

Dravik: If you want to record the output of your stb then you would require more than 1

[14:48:06]

paranoid_:

the tv card should be supported under linux and for analouge stuff it does have a hardware decoder, so I'm hoping that'll do the trick should I wish to watch analouge

[14:48:16]

** paranoid_ can't spell **

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furfurfur:

paranoid_, oooh right. Hmmm. kinda even less powerful than mine then. I can't say whether that will work or not

[14:48:40]

Ruleke:

paranoid_: the connector board has master/slave setting ?

[14:48:52]

furfurfur:

If I was building a combined box I'd go for something based around an A8N-VM CSM mobo and a nice big quiet case

[14:48:55]

paranoid_:

furfurfur: it _should_ work, but im a bit concerned it wont... I just might have to get creative with a kernel compile :)

[14:49:09]

paranoid_:

Ruleke: yep, tried every possible configuration on it

[14:49:18]

Ruleke:

sounds like it's broken

[14:49:19]

Dravik:

Greyfoxx: well i was hoping to just order the basic digital cable package and record up to 2–3 at once on my myth backend using the PVR cards and just using a splitter to drop into those cards from the cable source without renting a STB

[14:49:19]

Ruleke:

:)

[14:49:34]

furfurfur:

paranoid_, I'm just worried about performance – the EPIAs aren't exactly known for performace, playback with the CLE266 will be fine it's just the encoding from analog that worries me

[14:49:37]

Dravik:

Greyfox: but as you said depending on your area you would need a STB for the digital calbe to come over.

[14:49:38]

Ruleke:

I've seen some of those boards that don't have a setting and ended up doing cable select

[14:49:43]

Dravik:

seth: what area do you live in?

[14:49:48]

paranoid_:

Ruleke: well, I'm going to double check it by running it in my main rig when i get home tonight – although it does work fine (and will boot a live cd) when it's plugged in on it's own

[14:50:03]

paranoid_:

furfurfur: hence why I bought a tv card with a hardware encoder ;)

[14:50:05]

seth|laptop:

I am in Pennsylvania, and I get my comcast from Hershey, PA

[14:50:15]

Ruleke:

I suppose using the 2 different channels isn't possible ? :)

[14:50:16]

furfurfur:

paranoid_, ooh, cool :)

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** Krazylegz high-fives seth|laptop **

[14:50:51]

Juski:

furfurfur: you should be fine with a pvr card .. but I'd not even attempt software encoding on Epia

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paranoid_:

it was only £10 more thn one without, and the one without didnt do analog at all or have an fm tuner in it... I figured investing the extra tenner in it was probably going to be worth my while in the long rung

[14:50:59]

paranoid_:

Ruleke: nope, only got one ide chan on my board :(

[14:51:01]

Dravik:

seth: i live in new britain, CT

[14:51:17]

fryfrog:

I just ordered another one of those air2pc cards, wish i hadn't paid like 150 for my first one

[14:51:18]

furfurfur:

Juski, indeed. Though I'd just shy away from analogue, period

[14:51:25]

Dravik:

seth: debating switch from dishnetwork to cable since i have this stupid dishnetwork / sbc dsl bundle. and my dsl sucks

[14:51:26]

Ruleke:

paranoid_: ah yes the epia V :)

[14:51:34]

seth|laptop:

I specifically asked them If I needed a box, and they said only for PAY per View, and the HBO/SHOWTIME lot, and HDTV, but I get the HD over the air, so I don't need their extra expense

[14:51:35]

Juski:

my EPIA-m10k uses only 15% CPU playing back mpeg2 with xvmc :-P

[14:51:36]

paranoid_:

furfurfur: that's my general plan... but I bought it 'just in case'

[14:51:38]

dverzolla:

Have some GUI to mythfrontend run in a Windows box ?

[14:51:45]

paranoid_:

also I wanted the fm reciver... I don't own a radio :)

[14:51:53]

furfurfur:

Juski, saying that – I'm moving house in two weeks and I'm apparently not in a freeview area so I'm shitting myself. Well, sort of.

[14:52:01]

fryfrog:

I guess there is not a "MythFM"?

[14:52:08]

fryfrog:

for radio in myth?

[14:52:17]

Ruleke:

there was one

[14:52:23]

GreyFoxx:

dverzolla: there are a couple different projects out there that have players for windows, but nothing official

[14:52:23]

Juski:

fryfrog: not the best maintained (or written) plugin ever made

[14:52:28]

Ruleke:

out of tree

[14:52:28]

paranoid_:

Ruleke: indeed, again purchased because it was going cheap on ebay :P

[14:52:38]

seth|laptop:

I too had the dreaded dish network/sprint(embarq), home phone combo. By switching to comcast, and a better internet through comcast, I save like $70 a month, very wise move on my part

[14:53:03]

dverzolla:

GreyFoxx, you have some names?

[14:53:09]

Dravik:

seth: yeah i pay like $120 a month for phone / dish / dsl

[14:53:10]

paranoid_:

I'm not so bothered about the FM radio, it's just a nice extra... if it works it works, if it doesn't... well, most the major radio stations here also broadcast digitally anyway afair

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Ruleke:

paranoid_: should be ok, though does it have the cle266 ? If not, playback could be a problem ?

[14:53:22]

Dravik:

seth: so you have no STB box and you record digital channels?

[14:53:28]

paranoid_:

Ruleke: what's 'the cle266' ?

[14:53:34]

seth|laptop:

however I do not get HBO and the like, but I can watch scifi, and the wifes channels on all my tuners, without the need for a STB

[14:53:38]

paranoid_:

Ruleke: again it should be ok... if I can get it up and running ;)

[14:53:44]

seth|laptop:

Dravik, yes

[14:53:48]

GreyFoxx:

dverzolla: tapeworm, winmyth and another I have no idea the name of. I also don't know if they work with the lastest release of myth or if they are stable

[14:53:52]

Ruleke:

the northbridge that does xvmc

[14:53:58]

paranoid_:

Ruleke: no idea

[14:54:03]

Dravik:

seth: yeah the only non local channels i watch on tv are scifi / hgtv / fx

[14:54:03]

Ruleke:

it doesn't afaik

[14:54:07]

Ruleke:

so cpu has to do all the work

[14:54:08]

Juski:

winmyth is a PoS

[14:54:17]

furfurfur:

paranoid_, it's an EPIA 8000 so it does have the cle266, surely

[14:54:20]

seth|laptop:

same here, and occasionally discovery

[14:54:28]

Dravik:

seth: those are the only channels i'd be recording in SD or care about. i don't watch anything else but cbs / abc / nbc / fox

[14:54:30]

dverzolla:

GreyFoxx, Thanls

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paranoid_:

Ruleke: for dvb that shouldn't be much of an issue though right?

[14:54:39]

Ruleke:

furfurfur: it's an epia V I thought

[14:54:47]

Dravik:

seth: how many tuners do you have?

[14:54:53]

Ruleke:

paranoid_: recording no... playback ? hmm...

[14:54:54]

furfurfur:

Ruleke, eep – do they not have the decoder?

[14:54:56]

Dravik:

seth: for SD that is

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seth|laptop:

but my cable comes to a 4way powered splitter, one goes to the modem, and the other 3 go to pvr 150cards, and I have 2 air2pc cards for HD

[14:55:01]

paranoid_:

Ruleke furfurfur: it's a epia V

[14:55:15]

paranoid_:

Ruleke: well, if it doesn't work, I'll just have to buy a meatier board ;)

[14:55:22]

Ruleke:

it's the PL133 iirc

[14:55:28]

Ruleke:

not CLE266

[14:55:38]

Dravik:

seth: i see al ot of people using air2pc cards over the pchdtv hd-5500 cards i've read a lot about. are they cheaper?

[14:55:45]

Dravik:

seth: ok that's what i want to do.

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seth|laptop:

my air2pc cards are generation 2, so no QAM, just OTA

[14:56:15]

seth|laptop:

I get the air2pc cards for $40 on ebay, free shipping

[14:56:16]

Ruleke:

paranoid_: well it all depends how much cpu it uses :)

[14:56:16]

Dravik:

i'm only concerned with OTA for HD anyway

[14:56:26]

seth|laptop:

$40 each

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fryfrog:

seth|laptop: are the ones on eay gen5?

[14:56:44]

fryfrog:

or gen 2?

[14:56:48]

seth|laptop:

gen 2

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Dravik:

gen 2 i think

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fryfrog:

fuck

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Dravik:

what distro of linux do you run for your myth setup?

[14:57:13]

Dravik:

for seth

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seth|laptop:

knoppmyth r5c7

[14:57:23]

fryfrog:

where do you get gen 5?

[14:57:26]

** Juski realises it's hometime **

[14:57:33]

Ruleke:

Juski: almost :)

[14:57:44]

seth|laptop:

fryfrog, http://www.mythic.tv

[14:57:47]

Dravik:

cool so maybe comcast will work for me like that.

[14:57:53]

Dravik:

and i can save a lot of money

[14:57:55]

paranoid_:

Ruleke: well, I'm planning on taking an ubuntu server install, rolling my own kernel and disabling everything mythtv doesn't need :)

[14:58:01]

seth|laptop:

http://mythic.tv/product_info.php?cPath=21_25 . . . 6ac03ff7bdaf

[14:58:04]

Dravik:

seth: the 4way splitter you did yourself right?

[14:58:07]

seth|laptop:

$120 each

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seth|laptop:

they do OTA and QAM

[14:59:00]

Ruleke:

paranoid_: debian here

[14:59:01]

seth|laptop:

Dravik, yes the digital cable amp I got at the local Radio Shack, I don't remember how much, but you have to get the ones that say "digital cable"

[14:59:18]

Dravik:

alright

[14:59:24]

Dravik:

i think i'm gonna try this route.

[14:59:33]

paranoid_:

Ruleke: debian is also a good choice... but I happen to have lots of ubuntu cds kicking about ;)

[14:59:35]

Dravik:

pvr 150s?

[15:00:08]

seth|laptop:

check antennaweb.org to see which HD channels you'll get, that is important, the cable stuff will just work :-)

[15:00:19]

Dravik:

yeah i did that

[15:00:23]

Dravik:

i get the locals

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Dravik:

i'm about 3–7 miles from everything but abc. abc is like 16 miles out

[15:00:43]

seth|laptop:

wow, you're set

[15:00:48]

Dravik:

even though my next door neighbor has these huge freakin trees

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fryfrog:

well, if this guy doesn't have gen5 cards or it turns out they aren't gen5 or he won't let me cancel... anyone need a air2pc gen2 card?

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Dravik:

alright cool.

[15:01:23]

Dravik:

torg said that was good too.

[15:01:31]

paranoid_:

time for a mid afternoon snack

[15:01:52]

seth|laptop:

my closest is NBC (8_1, and 8_2) 6 miles, my FOX and Tube network are like 13 miles, and my whtm (cbs?) is like 20 miles, but I get them all, PBS (33_1,33_2,33_3) are like 9 miles away

[15:01:53]

Dravik:

seth: yeah i found those cards for $40 on ebay

[15:02:14]

seth|laptop:

free shippoing, and the antenna they sell is great

[15:02:22]

Dravik:

it comes with an antenna?

[15:02:31]

Dravik:

or the same company you mean

[15:02:36]

seth|laptop:

no its extra, like 14 bucks, but very good

[15:02:39]

seth|laptop:

yes

[15:03:27]

Dravik:

where do you set your antenna at?

[15:03:30]

Dravik:

behind your tv?

[15:03:54]

Dravik:

was debating putting it in the attic mabye and making a run down to the pc

[15:05:01]

seth|laptop:

but if you want a good outdoor, I recommend this one, its what I have, and it has dual outputs. My dad uses the indoor one on his hdtv the one with the air2pc cards, I use this one, excellent. – http://tinyurl.com/k83sk

[15:05:27]

seth|laptop:

self powered rotating, by ir remote, and dual ooutputs

[15:05:39]

seth|laptop:

it is on my com2 irblaster

[15:06:13]

Dravik:

how would that exactly work for say .. you have hd stuff you wanna record but don't check up on it for a few days

[15:06:20]

Dravik:

like wed night alone i record 6 shows

[15:06:29]

Dravik:

does the rotor have to be turned manually?

[15:06:46]

seth|laptop:

you just schedule them, as long as they have a tuner set up, it records

[15:07:07]

Dravik:

schedule the shows in mythtv you mean right?

[15:07:14]

Dravik:

or is this pertaining to the antenna rotor

[15:07:38]

seth|laptop:

yes, you see, the only channel I don't get on HD without turning the antenna, is 21 (abc) but all of the others comes in between 85% to 100% without having to move it, thanks to antenna web

[15:08:06]

Dravik:

so i could try first with that first antenna and if i get everything

[15:08:07]

seth|laptop:

yes, I use mythweb to shcedule

[15:08:10]

Dravik:

i'm gtg

[15:08:31]

seth|laptop:

exactly, and if you are that close to the stations you record, you should have no problem getting them all

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** seth|laptop wishes he lived where you do, ;-) **

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Dravik:

do you split off on your hd antenna to your air2pc cards?

[15:08:58]

Dravik:

so i can have 1 antenna and 3–4 air2pc cards and record 3–4 shows at once right?

[15:09:19]

Dravik:

hehe we'll see how it works out. i just wanna get my facts straight before i go spend some money on this.

[15:09:33]

Dravik:

i've had my plasma for 3 months but never bought dish's HD package cause .. like 2 shows on there i would watch.

[15:09:41]

seth|laptop:

well, the one I use, has 2 outputs, I just run a short cable from the controller box right to the cards, but I wouldn't see an issue splitting the cable, provided it doesn't cut too much off your signal stength

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Dravik:

then i heard about OTA HD and read about myth so i figured i'd give it a shot.

[15:10:11]

Dravik:

can i get an amp on the splitter to keep up signal strength?

[15:10:18]

** seth|laptop built his mythbox just for HD OTA **

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Dravik:

i think i said that right. a lot of this stuff is new to me.

[15:10:28]

** Dravik plans on doing just the same thing. **

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seth|laptop:

yes, as long as the amp supports the frequency range. Radio shack could tell you.

[15:10:57]

Dravik:

actually i wanna use it to record the few SD shows i watch. sci fi's eureka and BSG and FX's stuff. shield / nip tuck / rescue me

[15:11:25]

seth|laptop:

but HGTV and scifi don't broadcast, hence the need for the cable

[15:12:16]

seth|laptop:

the wife has to have her hgtv and lifetime, all I need is scifi, everything else, I can grab from the air for free. Life is good

[15:12:27]

Dravik:

yeah

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Dravik:

so basic digital cable and broadbrand from comcast is what i want.

[15:12:50]

Dravik:

forgot about hgtv. ><

[15:13:38]

rothga1:

my wife won't let me have myth if I don't get her HGTV :(

[15:13:59]

Dravik:

did you go with the comcast voice package for your phone?

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seth|laptop:

no we use verizon wireless, both of our families are "In"

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fryfrog:

blah, comcast is to lame for me to even *consider* them for phone in our area ;P

[15:14:43]

Dravik:

hehe

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fryfrog:

seth|laptop: that is what we did too, just cell phones

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Dravik:

yeah we have sprint right now, but we like having a home phone. actually my wife does

[15:15:10]

Dravik:

i prefer just a cell

[15:15:31]

fryfrog:

we just got one extra cell phone

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fryfrog:

it was only $10 / month

[15:15:43]

fryfrog:

so we have 3 phones for 2 people :)

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Dravik:

hehe

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Dravik:

one stays at home?

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fryfrog:

exactly

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fryfrog:

in case someone is house sitting or taking care of pets, etc

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seth|laptop:

my verizon has 5 phones, me, wife, wife's mom, wife's dad, wifes sister. = $175 a month, but they pay us cash every month

[15:16:22]

Dravik:

hmm can you port your landline # to a cell phone yet?

[15:16:27]

Torg:

Dravik what you want is a STB, irblaster and PVR card

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seth|laptop:

yes

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Torg:

you wil not get anything come Comcast without a STB

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fryfrog:

Dravik: in most cases, yes

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Torg:

or at the least get there low end analog which may be, but usually isnt, on the same cabel

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BULLE:

Torg: and Comcast doesnt use dvb ? or something so you can get hold of a tv card isntead of the setb ?

[15:17:18]

seth|laptop:

well I get comcast w/out the STB, but that may be specific to my are/service

[15:17:18]

Torg:

sure you can, its all encrypted tho

[15:17:29]

Torg:

at least, comcast here is

[15:17:30]

fryfrog:

you get comcast w/o stb

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seth|laptop:

yes

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Dravik:

torg: i'm only interested in 3 channels that i can't get in HD anyway.

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fryfrog:

but you only get chans 1–6? ish

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fryfrog:

1–60ish

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seth|laptop:

everything but the HBO lot, and pay per view

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fryfrog:

its the *digital* channels you can't get

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Torg:

yes Dravik I understnad its the same as I want too

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fryfrog:

70+ usually?

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Dravik:

torg: and i can try it out without the STB and if i need it i can order it later.

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Dravik:

siec i'd need a pvr card anyway

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Torg:

yes fryfrog, thats what I was getting at

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Dravik:

and the air2pc cards would be for hd

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fryfrog:

ah

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Dravik:

i wish scifi was hd =(

[15:18:34]

BULLE:

is there any place you can order irblasters ? or is the solution to solder one yourself ?

[15:18:40]

Dravik:

bsg is the coolest show evar! =p

[15:18:43]

Torg:

the non digital on the high end digital lines can be anything from very good, to damn near imposible to watch

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fryfrog:

yeah :(

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Merlin83b:

BULLE: Google will tell you.

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Torg:

the analog potion of the digital cable is mostly ingored by the damn cable company

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Torg:

there is more noise on the line then there is signal

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seth|laptop:

My channels go up to 282

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BULLE:

Merlin83b: well, google wont tell me if there is reputable dealers, or fraudlent dealers etc, i was hoping someone here had some experience

[15:19:35]

seth|laptop:

but again, I dont see the on demand stuff, or the movie channels (hbo, showtime, etc)

[15:19:44]

Torg:

with a digital (hence STB) reciver you can get relaly nice, even HDTV. Without it you can use a dvb-c card and get shit

[15:19:44]

Dravik:

eyah but i'm not interested in that

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Torg:

but that is my cable, where I live

[15:19:54]

Dravik:

i mean watching deadwood would be nice, but i can wait for dvd i guess.

[15:20:19]

Torg:

Dravik you could in theory go look up bitorrent

[15:20:23]

Dravik:

torg: you never mentioned how much ram you were running.

[15:20:28]

Torg:

but that is not somethign we talk about here

[15:20:44]

Dravik:

indeed. it's the first rule of #mtyhtv-users.

[15:20:44]

Torg:

the BE has 1G the FE has 2G

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Dravik:

ok so i'll get a gig

[15:21:05]

Dravik:

damn that will be the most spendy part of the rig.

[15:21:15]

Torg:

well I used spare sticks I had

[15:21:29]

Torg:

then of course you can build at least 3 pretty deceint computers form the junk parts I have :)

[15:21:35]

Dravik:

is it true that dual channel ram helps preventing stutter in hd playback?

[15:21:39]

Dravik:

hehe

[15:21:47]

Dravik:

i got a few junk parts. need to buy the rest

[15:22:03]

Dravik:

i read some little thing on it how dual channel ram is preferred for HD playback.

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Torg:

I dont know if the ram has anything to do with it, I just know what I run

[15:22:17]

Torg:

mostly its the video card, not the ram

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Dravik:

do you use dual channel?

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BULLE:

Dravik: if your box is limited by ram bandwith, using dual channel will of course help

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** seth|laptop just won an AMD64 3200+ w/ mobo on ebay, time to replace his current sempron frontend, and make it a slave **

[15:22:24]

Torg:

at least that has been my expericance

[15:22:47]

Torg:

and yes what seth is doing is what I do/did

[15:22:55]

BULLE:

Dravik: i have no problem playing HD content on my single channel frontend box, but ii have ddr400mhz ram there, of good quality

[15:22:59]

Dravik:

well i was debating buying a nvidia 6200 with a dvi output on it. but i have this ati 9800 pro lying around.

[15:23:18]

Dravik:

yeah, my mobo is a 800 fsb

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** seth|laptop never had any luck getting ATI to work with his rig **

[15:23:27]

Dravik:

so i was gonna get pc3200 ram.

[15:23:32]

Torg:

FE beceoms BE, BE becomes kids computer, kids computer becomes print server or someting/ print server or someting else or goes in garage

[15:23:37]

BULLE:

Dravik: the ati drivers can be a bit fidly to get working

[15:23:40]

Dravik:

didn't know if i should get dual channel or single channel.

[15:23:47]

Dravik:

so just pay $40 and get the 6200?

[15:23:47]

seth|laptop:

nvidia all the way for me

[15:23:49]

Torg:

I prefer nvidia as it works, always has

[15:23:53]

seth|laptop:

exactly

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BULLE:

Dravik: but i have used a 9700pro in the past, and it had good video quality etc, so give it a try

[15:23:55]

Torg:

the ATI has been like trowing darts

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Dravik:

alright.

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seth|laptop:

thats what I have the $40 6200

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** BULLE has a 5200 **

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Dravik:

the fanless one with just a heatsink from evga?

[15:24:21]

Torg:

but there is no reason to get the top of the line card, the $50 ones work great

[15:24:24]

Dravik:

it's like $35-$40 on newegg

[15:24:32]

Torg:

fanless = hardware stress

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Torg:

if you dont want noise look at fanless

[15:24:42]

BULLE:

Dravik: i think most manufacturers that make navidia based graphics cards have fnaless 6200TC cards

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seth|laptop:

5200 cards are all the knoppmyth guys use, they are apparently perfect for just about anything

[15:24:53]

BULLE:

around here its asus and bfg that are the most common

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Torg:

then again my plain ol nothing special with 4 fans I added is about 1/10 the noice as that DLP bulb fan on teh TV stself

[15:25:17]

Torg:

and you would hav to turn off the surround sound to even know it was there :)

[15:25:28]

Dravik:

not too concerned about it right now. (fan noise i mean)

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Torg:

then of couse I dotn exacly have the tv turned to mute al the time to hear it :)

[15:25:41]

Torg:

best thing to do is ass fans

[15:25:44]

Torg:

err add

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Dravik:

i plan on getting a single box up and running and once i'm good and happy with it. investing into some major deployment and FE / BE setups

[15:25:48]

Torg:

if you can add more

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Torg:

keep addming more untill they ether dont fit, or you cant get power to them

[15:26:32]

Dravik:

i saw a niec case that had 2 120mm fans

[15:26:39]

Torg:

other then the ehternet+power cable+video cable mess (mostly becasue the wife complains about it) I hve no problems with my AV setup

[15:26:40]

Dravik:

it was like $40

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Dravik:

my wife is gonna bitch aobu the mess.

[15:27:01]

Dravik:

that's why i need to wire the house so i can at least have her off my back for htat

[15:27:09]

BULLE:

Dravik: coolermaster has nicecases that only have 120mm fan slots, should be geat for a pretty silent but still fan cooled box

[15:27:23]

Torg:

of course the are two dvd players, a umpnp media plaer, two replay TVs, two dishnet boxes, a directtv box, an xbox, ps2, and xbox2 plus surround sound docer there BESIDEs my two myth systems :)

[15:28:07]

Torg:

she asks me to "clean it up" I told her to look at the TV not the wires :)

[15:28:14]

Dravik:

lol

[15:28:30]

Torg:

the kids think its the best thing since sliced bread :)

[15:28:39]

Dravik:

my wife's agreement to this project revolved around the fact she can watch tv on her other monitor in her office while she plays WoW

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Torg:

ive come home to find the kids with 5 of their frinds watching tv in my living room (neither I nor my wife was at home)

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Torg:

I have what I belive is the teen ager playgorund

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Dravik:

lol

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Torg:

hell if I were a teen id hang out there

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Dravik:

i don't have kids yet.

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Torg:

leather sofa and recline,r souuring sound, every damn game you can think of to play with

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Torg:

even if I cant type :)

[15:30:46]

Torg:

and like BULLE said there are some reall pretty cased, neat mini boards, etc

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Torg:

I just prefer funtion over esthetics

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Torg:

oh and Dravik I play WoW on my 61" TV too :)

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Dravik:

Torg: yeah

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Dravik:

lol

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Torg:

thats what the kids think is really cool

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Dravik:

I actually quit plaing recently. i got tired of leading raids and people whining a lot.

[15:31:44]

Dravik:

been beta testing VG

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Dravik:

do you use cedega in linux then for WoW?

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Dravik:

heard about it, but i haven't tested it yet.

[15:32:12]

Torg:

we peooably shouldnt talk about our WoW addtion in here :)

[15:32:17]

Dravik:

lol

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Torg:

no I use my media PC, running windows XP

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** seth|laptop plays WOW on his mythcenter as well, god old cedega **

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Dravik:

3 60 warriors. experience up to naxx

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Torg:

jsut one of the many many boxes I have in my house

[15:32:58]

Dravik:

did you use powerstrip to get your display settings setup?

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Dravik:

what kind of res do you get on your 61"?

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Torg:

ive gotten the "if you put one more computer in this house" speach many, many times

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Dravik:

my plasma only starts with 1024 x 768 but i know using powerstrip yo ucan tweak up the res

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Dravik:

seth: you like cedega?

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Torg:

the tv does 1080i, 720p, 480i/p, and 1600x1200 and lowr pc res

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Dravik:

hmm my plasma does those settings but only goes up to 1024x768

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Torg:

mines a DLP

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Dravik:

oh that explains it.

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Dravik:

been wanting a plasma for years and years. finally bought one about 3 months ago

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Torg:

I looked at plasma vs DLP and as far as I can tell the differnce in price does not justify the differnce in function

[15:35:16]

ivor_:

heh trying to decide whether to replace my current plasma with a new one or switch to LCD when I upgrade to HDTV.

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seth|laptop:

I have been using cedega for at least 2 years, I hate using a windows box if I can help it

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Torg:

and there are about 15 people in her ethat woudl ague that pont with me :)

[15:35:44]

BULLE:

Torg: i would love to have one of the mCubed cases, but i think they are just WAY to expensive

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** Torg uses windows for what it was intended, games **

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BULLE:

wintendo

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Torg:

BULLE I want one of those mediapc cases with the monitor built in

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Dravik:

i'm going to install cedgea soon on my linux box and try it out

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BULLE:

Torg: you can get that for the mcubed cases if you want

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seth|laptop:

i use cedega for call of duty:uo, and WOW, but those are really the only non-linux games I play.

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Torg:

yes but what I think looks cool, vs what I will actually pay money for is genrally widly differnt :)

[15:37:40]

Dravik:

Torg: lol indeed

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Torg:

when I buy a new meida case, I think I paid $35 for it, with power supply

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seth|laptop:

mine was $100 but it looks like my A/V reciever, so most people don't even know there is a computer there

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BULLE:

Torg: http://www.mcubed-tech.com/english/index.htm

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BULLE:

Torg: they also supply completely fanless cooling for the case, but the price is pretty steep

[15:38:58]

Torg:

http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/product/Chassis . . . MozartTX.htm

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Torg:

try that one out :)

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Torg:

the popup screen is cool

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seth|laptop:

http://nmediapc.com/htpc200.htm

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Dravik:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Searc . . . amp;NoMapp=0

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Dravik:

gonna get that case i think

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seth|laptop:

not so fancy, but sufficient

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Dravik:

so i can put a decent amount of drives in it

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Dravik:

hence my first question here about raid and what not.

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BULLE:

i just use a normal miditower case, and hite id behind the tv

[15:40:28]

Dravik:

since i want to be able to expand my disk space

[15:40:30]

BULLE:

havent found a mediapc case that can hold enough disks

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BULLE:

Dravik: raid and lvm in combination

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seth|laptop:

mine has 2 300GB, and a 40GB for my tunes

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BULLE:

Dravik: will allow you to easily expand

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seth|laptop:

the 300's are LVM'd together

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Torg:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811129150

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Torg:

thats what I use

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Dravik:

bulle: which raid are you using though? just raid 1?

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BULLE:

Dravik: 5

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Dravik:

seth: i thought about doing that too.

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Torg:

see how fancy it is, even comes in black :P

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Dravik:

bulle: no performance hit?

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BULLE:

Dravik: but that isnt realy the important, raid5 or 1/0 is both ok, as linux can reshape both types

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seth|laptop:

BULLE, that case is killer

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BULLE:

Dravik: in comparison to what ?

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BULLE:

seth|laptop: price aswell =(

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Dravik:

bulle: just straight striping

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seth|laptop:

look it

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seth|laptop:

er rather looks like it

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BULLE:

Dravik: of course i get less performance then pure striping

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BULLE:

Dravik: i get fault tolerance instead

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BULLE:

Dravik: and fast enough perfromance for my needs

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Dravik:

bulle: no i mean noticeable in your playback is all

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BULLE:

the array can feed roughly 100 megabytes /sec

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Dravik:

bulle: kk. i don't think i can afford 3 300 drives to startup for raid5.

[15:43:16]

BULLE:

so its fast enough, to completely fill a gigabith ethernet connection

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Torg:

raid5 suffers from write performance, read is no better then 1x a drive

[15:43:51]

BULLE:

Torg: decently new disks, and read/write performance is not an issue, for mythtv use

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BULLE:

Dravik: i use 8 disks

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Torg:

raid0 offers drive x number speed for rad adn write, but suffers from loss of one drive kills all the rest

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Torg:

raid1 can be 2x drive but usually is not, doe snto suffer from writes as does raid5

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Dravik:

bulle: damn that's a lot of disk space =p

[15:44:38]

seth|laptop:

yeah if I lose 1 drive, I'm toast

[15:44:41]

BULLE:

Dravik: yeah, 8x320gb

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Torg:

but yes BULLE I am taking riad use in general, noit how will myth see them

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BULLE:

Dravik: roughly 2tb space

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Dravik:

hehe nice

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Torg:

like I said befoer a floopy is fine where it not so small

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Torg:

but think about what it is your protecting

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Torg:

if I went to your tv recordings right now and erased it how much would you loose?

[15:45:45]

Torg:

how about if I killed your databse, can you fill it again?

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** seth|laptop doesn't even want to think about that **

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Torg:

how about if your whole box craters, can you rebuild myth?

[15:46:06]

Tall-guy:

torg: if you erased my videos, you'd have to pay for my divorce lawyer :)

[15:46:14]

** seth|laptop needs to start making myth dvd's **

[15:46:15]

Torg:

treat your data in accordance of what you can loose, backup whats important, and screw the rest

[15:47:06]

Torg:

I dont have any proteciton on my recordings, other then journaling. I back up my config files, and I dump the db to the FE (well replicate it) and then copy the DB flatfile to antoher system

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Torg:

if I lost the games I would restore them frm system backup

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BULLE:

Torg: i stripe a part of two older disks, for use for the myth recordings

[15:47:58]

Torg:

the rest I will reinstall debian, reinstall myth, relad the db, put back the myth backup fo the games, and let it go record some new stuff

[15:47:58]

Dravik:

i just wanted to have a nice archive of stuff!

[15:48:04]

BULLE:

Torg: stuff i save, i move over to the raid5 array

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Torg:

I *MAY* even go seach bittorrnt for the showes I missed, thats about it

[15:48:15]

BULLE:

the os is mirrored

[15:48:49]

BULLE:

now time to go to the gym

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Dravik:

later bulle

[15:48:58]

Torg:

my os runs on my oldest, could die at any time, disk

[15:49:04]

seth|laptop:

thats why I like knoppmyth, you just go to the knoppmyth menu, selsct backup, and it moves all of your important files, and the databse to a partition of choice, however, it does not back up my tv recordings.

[15:49:05]

Torg:

take care BULLE

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seth|laptop:

then if the os gets hosed, you just boot the live cd, and select restoe

[15:50:26]

seth|laptop:

er resotre even

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seth|laptop:

ack

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seth|laptop:

r e s t o r e

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Torg:

seth is picking up my bad typing habbits :P

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Dravik:

hehe

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fryfrog:

RAID1, RAID5 FTW :p

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** seth|laptop could never type that well, probably shouldn't have become a unix sysadmin, hehe **

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Torg:

seth wait untill you try to put solaris commands on your linux boxes and vice versa :)

[15:52:12]

Torg:

I can count the number of times ive screwed ip ifconfig or something becae I did it the wrong way

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seth|laptop:

LOL, I already do that, just last night I was ssh'd into mythcenter, and typed "format" scary

[15:53:07]

Torg:

I type iostat on my FE and cant figure out hwy its not working

[15:53:08]

seth|laptop:

I catch myself trying to "plumb" interfaces, its just sad, hehe

[15:53:23]

Torg:

ls /proc/cpuinfo on my sumbale and it fails

[15:53:26]

Torg:

I can go on and on

[15:53:27]

caitlin:

hmm

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caitlin:

i can't get this thing to pull the EPG data

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Torg:

and now when I type halt, I type uname -a first :)

[15:53:58]

caitlin:

what i dont get is that there *Are* radio times listings for the radio content, are they just not released on xml?

[15:54:07]

Tall-guy:

torg: just don't poke and peek looking for your SID chip. :)

[15:55:11]

Torg:

yea well find me a RSC board for my intel myth boxes :)

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** seth|laptop didn't even know DVB cards received radio stations **

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seth|laptop:

I would love an RSC or ALOM card for my x86 boxes

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furfurfur:

seth|laptop one of my machines has an eRIC card – works bloody lovely but they aint cheap

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furfurfur:

remote video and cdrom emulation from a samba share, stuff like that

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Merlin83b:

seth|laptop: They just look like extra channels :)

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ivor_:

ok off-topic.... does anyone know where to buy these things:- http://www.securityseal.com/imagessigilli/rattenstaarten.jpg

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Torg:

furfurfur how much are one of those?

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hjohnson:

hmm.. I wonder how much these VGA->UTP baluns work..

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Tall-guy:

ivor: don't those come with Glad garbage bags?

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Merlin83b:

hjohnson: Cheaply ;)

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Merlin83b:

Juski made one and if he's not currently grumpy might be able to say something about them.

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mikearthur:

do I change the name or the callsign to change the name displayed for a channel, without breaking it?

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Torg:

Tall-Guy no those are yellow :)

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hjohnson:

they claim being able to push 1280x1024 over 200 feet..

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ivor_:

Tall-guy: don't know, but everything you buy has them wrapping the wires.

[15:59:39]

ivor_:

so you must be able to get them from somewhere.

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Tall-guy:

ivor: i'm a big velcro fan myself.

[15:59:47]

Torg:

I use velcro strips

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hjohnson:

velcro is the ultimate way to tie up cables

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Tall-guy:

:)

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Merlin83b:

ivor_: I'd guess Viking or somewhere. Velcro is nicer.

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Torg:

that or I shove them behind the TV :)

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Merlin83b:

I was thinking datacentre wise, but I guess they could be used for home!

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Torg:

http://www.provantage.com/apc-cables-7092bk-25pk~7ABLE093.htm

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Torg:

hjohnson are the dvi/hdmi utip ones?

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Juski:

hjohnson: mine aren't baluns... baluns are only passive & the cheap ones aren't properly differential – so they suck

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Torg:

http://www.cyberselect.co.uk/product/850 <--- they have got to be joking

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Juski:

I made a bunch of active circuits with op-amps

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hjohnson:

hmm.

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hjohnson:

dvi ones would be even better.

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hjohnson:

this way we can just avoid the whole thing aobu tmaking silent ocmputers for the living room, and leave the big-ass machine in the basement.

[16:03:55]

Juski:

I tested composite – bandwidth was good for 8Mhz up to over 300 metres

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hjohnson:

(yes, we have a full structured cabling system in the house)

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Torg:

Juski I dont supose you have a schmatic of one, preferably DVI or HDMI?

[16:04:31]

Juski:

I don't know about hdmi or dvi... you're talking major bandwidth there, and needing equalisation too

[16:04:44]

Juski:

i.e. to compensate for high frequency losses

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Juski:

so there's a damn good reason why dvi/hdmi->cat6 isn't cheap

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Torg:

is that why that damn thing is 400GBP?

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Torg:

I dont think I paid that much for my whole FE

[16:05:56]

Juski:

thing is you can get long DVI/HDMI cables... certified HDMI is only good to 10 metres without active circuits though

[16:06:14]

Juski:

25m is about as good as you can get without bufferring anyway

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Torg:

well 25m is fine, hell that damn near the width of my house

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Torg:

its not like im goign to pump it to the neighbor :)

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Juski:

you can buy 25m HDMI cables off the shelf but they won't be hdmi certified

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jblack:

Ok. I don't know a whole lot about hooking a directv box up to my tv card. I'd like to know more about it.

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Torg:

im using a 1M HDMI/DVI cable now

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Torg:

afaik its perfectly fine

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Juski:

jblack: svideo & stereo audio output from the directv box into your pvr card.. job done apart from being able to change channels

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Torg:

jbkack connect the video out of the dtvbox to the video in of a SD dvr card (eg pvr150), connect an irblaster to your serial port (maybe usb) and controll it from myth

[16:10:12]

jblack:

Yeah. Its the changing channels part that mystifies me.

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Torg:

what you want is called an ir blaster

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Juski:

jblack: IR blaster or rs232 cable, or with some cable boxen, firewire

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jblack:

Ok. Ir blaster.

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Torg:

you can make one, or buy one there relativly cheap

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Torg:

its some wires with an ir led at the end, you tape that end in front of the ir window of the DTV box

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jblack:

The box I have in mind has what looks like a headphone jack that says "RF remote" and a phone jack looking hole labeled "Data port"

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Torg:

what model is the ird?

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jblack:

ird being the box?

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Torg:

integraded reciver devicer

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jblack:

Oh. a Sat T-60

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Torg:

decoder the thing you call the STV STB

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Torg:

yes there is a rs232 to that rf remote port

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Torg:

the rf remote port is a 2 wire seial

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Torg:

non bufferd 2400 baud

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Torg:

there is one somewhere in my gharrage along with one of those boxes (the sd version)

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jblack:

Ok. So I need to get a serial adaptor from somewhere or build one.

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Torg:

you do know you are not going to be able to record in HD, right?

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jblack:

What's the software side of it look like?

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jblack:

I don't have hd.

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Torg:

a T-60 isnt HD?

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jblack:

Not this one.

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Torg:

this inst one of the DTivo's is it?

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jblack:

Its about 5 years old and hooks up to the TV via either svideo or cable connection

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jblack:

Nope.

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Torg:

what video out does it do?

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jblack:

Maybe I'm confusing it with my old tivo

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Torg:

aparently :)

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jblack:

I did. SAT-A65A

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Torg:

yes you will need to make a serial to ir blaster

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jblack:

Ok. So presumably I'll wire PIN1 and PIN5 of a db9 to a mono jack.

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seth|laptop:

pin 4 and 5

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Torg:

that wouild be to bast FROM The ird not to it

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seth|laptop:

pin 4 send pin 5 ground, I beleive

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jblack:

http://www.aggsoft.com/rs232-pinout-cable/serial-port-db9.htm

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jblack:

I'm looking at this. It looks like 5 is ground and 3 is send.

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jblack:

I don't why I said 1.

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seth|laptop:

pin 4 DTR pin 5 GND

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jblack:

Ok. Then 4 and 5.

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seth|laptop:

and a diode, and a resistor

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Torg:

jblack are you taking about the rf remote?

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furfurfur:

Hrmm, myth not picking up EIT data since upgrade to 0.20

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jblack:

torg: the headphone jack looking rf remote plug on back of the TA65A? Yes.

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Torg:

thats an antenna jack for the RF remote

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jblack:

Oh, damn. Ok. How about the data port?

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Torg:

thats for fild testing of the unit (or how you could hack the box)

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jblack:

sigh. Ok. ir blaster it is.

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Torg:

no you cant use one of those either

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** hjohnson wonders if this is worth exploring (pushing video signals over the structured wiring) **

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hjohnson:

or if it will cost more than just putting a silent computer

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Torg:

or just accepting the noise :)

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seth|laptop:

my rig is quiet, my A/V reciever makes more noise than the HTPC

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Torg:

my tv makes more then both the myth boxes and the av reciver put together

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seth|laptop:

hehe

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Torg:

just turn up the volume, it will be fine :)

[16:23:37]

Torg:

then of couse I work in data centers, so I sorta ignore white noice

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seth|laptop:

yeah, both our datacenters are noisy

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Torg:

jblack do you understnad why I said you cant use an ir blaster?

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seth|laptop:

that is another reason I switched to cable, my dish network dvr had 2 tuners, one was IR, and the other was RF, so I had to use 2 remotes, never could figure out how to get RF to work with the mythbox

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jblack:

tog: Oh, you were telling me that?

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Torg:

yes you cant use an ir blaster because there is nothing to blast it to

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jblack:

So, I can't use the rf port, the data port or an IR blaster...

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Torg:

the balster works by emulating an ir remote, its connected to a serial port and that port sends puleses tot he led which emulate a remote

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Dravik:

Torg: do you use a harmony remote at all for a all in one function?

[16:27:10]

furfurfur:

righto, EIT got disabled during the update, ho-hum

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Torg:

it would require you had ir remote capabilites and your ird does not

[16:27:16]

Torg:

its strictly RF remote

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mikearthur:

do I change the name or the callsign to change the name displayed for a channel, without breaking it?

[16:27:27]

jblack:

Um, the remote is a IR one.

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Torg:

like seth said, you would need something to transmit rf

[16:27:35]

jblack:

The remote that come swith the box.

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Torg:

you SURE you have a A-65-A?

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jblack:

positive. I"m holding it in my hand

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jblack:

There is an IR port on the front next to the select button.

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Torg:

and that thing has a dark red black window on the remote?

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jblack:

That it does.

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Torg:

and on the reciver?

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jblack:

Yes.

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jblack:

I'll get yo ua link for the model

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Torg:

then either DTVs technical manuals are wrong or you really dont have a a65a but some earlier version of it

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jblack:

http://directv.com/learn/pdf/System_Manuals/S . . . -A65-B65.pdf

[16:29:48]

jblack:

This one was manufacturered in 05/2002

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jblack:

On the back it has sat in, RF remote, data port, digital audio out, vhf/uhf in, vhf out, audio outs, vcr control and svideo.. oh, and telephone.

[16:30:50]

Torg:

you sure its not a sat-B65?

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Torg:

well acording to the diagrams it dosnt have an ir remote, just rf

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jblack:

I'm sure.

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jblack:

I'll take a picture of it though to show you. :)

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Torg:

if you see one I belive you, its just not on the manual

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Torg:

what you want to do is connect an ir blaster to the front of that ir pannel

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seth|laptop:

then irblasterd is your answer, and a serial to IR cable ,- here is a schematic http://www.lirc.org/transmitters.html and here are the part numbers I used from Radio Shack – http://losdos.dyndns.org:8080/public/mythtv-i . . . ed_LIRC.html

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Torg:

seth how relaiable is that?

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hjohnson:

damnit, I'm locked out of our PBX again

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hjohnson:

stupid piece of crap

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seth|laptop:

it worked very well, its what I used to control my dish network, the only issue I had was figuring out the timing for a cron job, to send "select" to get rid of the screen saver, so that I wouldn't get a recording of an hours worth of "Press Select to Continue" hehe

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Torg:

no I was just wondering because when I used one I could never get it to accuratly light the led every time

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Torg:

its a sial port does not put out enough amps vs what led I used I thin

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Torg:

I eventually jsut scrapped the whole project, but I thought there were max232 circuits that fixed taht

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seth|laptop:

well I needed a resistor on mine, to prevent the LED overpowering, My wife would take pictures of the baby, and the digital camera would capture the output, it was freaky, but the resistor solved my issue

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Torg:

the camera picked up the ir led?

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seth|laptop:

yes

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Torg:

COOL, now I want one :)

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seth|laptop:

like an evil red hue

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Immolo:

heya, is anyone running mythtv on a box using PaX?

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Torg:

my kids are already acustomed to me being able to see what they are watching on tv and change channels on them, so if I could hook up an ir led with ir camera that would rock!

[16:43:00]

jblack:

ok. http://jblack.linuxguru.net/~jblack

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jblack:

I think the RF remote was an optional accessory

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Torg:

hmm maybe it is an ir in next to the select button

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seth|laptop:

thats ir

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seth|laptop:

and you would use the Dish_Network_301 codeset

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jblack:

It is ir. I swear. :)

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jblack:

The book itself says that the rf remote is an option. ;D

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sven-tek:

hi all, i guess its the most common question – can you suggest a pci-card for dvb-s that simply works?

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furfurfur:

my skystar 2 works really well

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seth|laptop:

dvb-s, dvb-t, what is the difference, I just don't know, and I guess here is a good place to ask

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jblack:

Do you guys have any suggestions on which irblasters work well?

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Torg:

dvb-s is a sat card wome with positioners and can tune in qpsk

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Torg:

dvb-t is a terestril bcast that works in europe (I dont know the speficifcation)

[16:49:36]

Torg:

atsc is us bcast HDTV using 8vsb

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seth|laptop:

Ijblack, I made mine, but if you want to buy one – http://www.irblaster.info/

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Torg:

good enough seth?

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seth|laptop:

so is atsc, 8vsb dvb-t?

[16:50:21]

Immolo:

Anyone know the cause of this problem "mythtv-setup: stack smashing attack in function virtual void QWidget::create(WId, bool, bool)()"

[16:50:35]

Torg:

not exactly seth but you can think of it like that

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Torg:

dvb-t is for european (maybe asian) tv bcast, its in OFDM format and PAL

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Torg:

ATSC is US, its in 8VSB format and is NTSC

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seth|laptop:

I guess by the definition, its just dvb, no sattelite, no europe

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Torg:

but they are all dvb cards

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sven-tek:

there are skystar card including a remote. Does the remote work under linux? Is it usefull for MythTV?

[16:51:42]

Torg:

ive never heard them called dvb-a but that would be aproximatly correct

[16:51:53]

furfurfur:

sven-tek, yeah – I have one, works great

[16:52:05]

Torg:

yes svsn its called a technisat and I belive requries extra software

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seth|laptop:

interesting

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Torg:

other then that I see people talk about them alot

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furfurfur:

Torg, extra software? Ie Lirc?

[16:52:40]

Torg:

I thoguth it needed extra drivers, no?

[16:52:51]

furfurfur:

Torg, no – it's just a serial dongle

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Torg:

I know my card required me to download firmware that didnt come with it

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Torg:

and my remote I had to set up by hand as lirc didnt have a template for it

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Torg:

other then that, yes it works

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Torg:

is that waht you meant furfurfur?

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sven-tek:

ok, anything to attend buying a skystar? different versions/chipsets/firmware?

[16:54:22]

furfurfur:

Torg, odd. Although maybe you are talking about the firware required for use with DVB on linux, yeah you grab the firware image from the linux-dvb site and plop it on your fs somewhere

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Torg:

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Technisat-Skystar-2-T . . . cmdZViewItem

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furfurfur:

All I can say is that it's been working with myth for me for two years with no problems :D

[16:55:19]

Torg:

furfurfur im talking about dvb-fe-bcm3510–01.fw, I had to contact techniucal support to get the thing it wasnt with teh dvb drivers

[16:55:40]

seth|laptop:

so this card requires a dish?

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Torg:

which the one I use or the skystar

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Torg:

I use an air2pc, the same card, differnt tuner

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seth|laptop:

skystar

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Torg:

yes skytar requires a dish

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seth|laptop:

and what does it receive? do you opay for it?

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Torg:

me I use a air2pc no its free atsc brodcast

[16:57:06]

Torg:

there is no dvb-s card, skystar included that will work in the US (NAFAIK)

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furfurfur:

Torg, odd. mine seems to be using dvb-ttpci-01.fw which came with my install

[16:58:24]

Torg:

what probably confuses you is that I (and a few others) have ATSC version of the techisat b2c2 cards. They act and work just like the dvb-s and dvb-t cards, but use a differnt tuner

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Torg:

so like furfurfur and I are talking about, dvb drivers for the techisat works out of the box, EXCEPT for what I suspect is the Air2PC card

[16:59:13]

Torg:

since he and I use differnt frimware, understanable since we have differnt tuners on ours

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GreyFoxx:

Torg: dvb-s cards work fine in NA. The problem is that 95%+ of the stuff is encrypted and the big NS providers wont authorize the use of CAMS

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seth|laptop:

well I am happy with my 2 air2pc cards anyways, don't think i need a new type

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seth|laptop:

:-)

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GreyFoxx:

But there are some FTA channels if you point at the right dish

[17:00:15]

GreyFoxx:

Or you can just watch the useless encrypted other stuff go by :)

[17:00:20]

Torg:

I just thoguht that since both use B2C2 chisp the firmware shoudl be the same, apparently they are not

[17:01:00]

Torg:

so GreyFoxx my idea of using a CI with a CAM and DVB-S card wont work in the US?

[17:01:21]

GreyFoxx:

Torg: I've never heard of anyone doing it

[17:01:47]

GreyFoxx:

But if you have the right hardware it might be doable

[17:02:18]

GreyFoxx:

providers like dishnet or bev certainly wont sell you anything for it or support it's use unless you were a cable company and paid big $$$ :)

[17:02:23]

Torg:

after reaseaching it I belive it my be doable but also illegal

[17:02:26]

GreyFoxx:

But there are FTA channels up there

[17:03:05]

Torg:

besides the two things I want that I dont get now HBO and SciFi I sorta doubt are free anywhere :)

[17:03:20]

GreyFoxx:

hehe yeah you can bet on that.

[17:03:43]

Torg:

I do wonder what is up there free and if its worth the hassle

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GreyFoxx:

There is a HDTV movie channel on one KUBand sat, and several of the other sats have a few channels

[17:07:52]

GreyFoxx:

you can usually find info on lyngsat about what is fta

[17:08:01]

Torg:

yea im running though lyngsat right now

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Torg:

it looks to be quite alot but I know for a fact some of these bords have no fta on them even tho lyngsat list them as fta

[17:08:44]

GreyFoxx:

Would be interesting to setup a rotor, and all that and have it shift from dish to dish

[17:08:55]

Torg:

yes thats a diseq is it not

[17:09:13]

Torg:

and rotor ala BUD?

[17:09:17]

GreyFoxx:

nah, I'm refering to a rotor to realign the dish

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Torg:

yes isnt that what diseq does or does that just power then lnb?

[17:10:11]

GreyFoxx:

the diseq just allows you to connect multiple lnb's over the same wire

[17:10:21]

GreyFoxx:

and I'm sure more if you get deep into it

[17:10:28]

GreyFoxx:

It physically looks like a splitter

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Torg:

ahh, ok

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Torg:

im gusisng ill need a dish ala BUD and a lna, not a lnb, with rotor

[17:11:02]

GreyFoxx:

It's rare to see moving dishes nowadays

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Torg:

I havnt seen one sice I was a kid

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xris:

GreyFoxx: I think I've seen some rotors that are diseqc aware, which I figured meant they would rotate and pretend you had an extra set of lnb's for each direction

[17:11:31]

GreyFoxx:

My wifes uncle has offered me his one since he doesn't use it any more. a Big mofo

[17:11:51]

GreyFoxx:

The size of my car

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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Torg:

well whats scarry is the other thing I could do is take the 10 or so ku bad dishes in my garag and set up and array and diseq ala Arecebo

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GreyFoxx:

xris: Could be. It's not something I've had the oppurtunity to play directly with much

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Torg:

I think the neighbors would start asking a bucnh more quesitosn then and maybe even get a vist my men in black suits

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xris:

I'm still trying to figure out which dish/lnb set to buy

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GreyFoxx:

My next house will have a section of the lawn set asign for a couple dishes/rotors heh

[17:13:28]

xris:

no one will tell me if the 75cm dishes require anything different from the 18" stuff if I want to receive both dishnet/bell fta and some of the other stuff (ku band?)

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Torg:

you know what BUD means right? BIg Ugly Dish, there atout 3m across

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Torg:

xris the bigger dishes just give stronger signal

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GreyFoxx:

Torg: That's what my Wife's uncle is offering me. He uses a little dish now and has a huge one with motor and all just sitting there doing nothing

[17:14:32]

Torg:

its the LNB you have mounted, and the angle it is to the dish that counts

[17:14:38]

xris:

Torg: then it's a matter of which inb's I need to get

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GreyFoxx:

he's got something that will also scan the sky looking for signals as well which is nifty

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xris:

lnb

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Torg:

if you want to aim more then on you need a dish(usualy oblong) that can do it

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xris:

Torg: yeah, I got that. or an lnb bracket at the proper spacing, or a rotor

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Torg:

actly you dont really need to scan, if you ever have tried to aim a ku dish in the US you would understnad

[17:15:41]

Torg:

in about 2" differnce I can pick up about 5 differnt sets of birds easy :)

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xris:

that's nice

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Torg:

its why the provirs like DN give you a LNB with an extra arm for antoerh l=nb set

[17:16:07]

Torg:

people think its one sat, its not

[17:16:13]

Torg:

there are 3–5 in each orbital slot

[17:16:30]

Torg:

most are in groups and DN and DTV are the major consumers of them

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xris:

Torg: any chance you could recommend which type of lnb to get if I wanted to get fta from dishnet and ku band stuff?

[17:16:52]

Torg:

Ive been doing sat in the us before there were digicypers and EVERYTHING was free :)

[17:17:05]

Torg:

sure xris, check out wineguard

[17:17:13]

Torg:

that or ppl sell them on ebay

[17:18:04]

Torg:

im a big fan of wineguard myslef, thats personal opionion tho

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xris:

wineguard what?

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Torg:

well how many services do you want to tune?

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Torg:

just one, with dishnet?

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Torg:

http://www.winegard.com/home/index.htm

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Torg:

like that? you do know DN and DTV will put in a dish for free, right?

[17:20:55]

xris:

dishnet doesn't really have that many fta stuff, so I was thinking I should get a larger dish and look at the other spectrums, too

[17:21:07]

Torg:

hahah well bigger wont help

[17:21:22]

jblack:

Is HDTV cable standardized?

[17:21:23]

brad_mssw:

pretty sure you can get non-fta dishnet stations in the US with a CI/CAM and a real smartcard (paid for, etc) ... not sure on the legalities though

[17:21:26]

Torg:

if you wanted the WHOLE think you would need extra dishes, or a really oblong one

[17:21:31]

xris:

I have a dish left over from when I subscribed, but the arm doesn't look compatible with the bracket sold by cyberestore, etc

[17:21:33]

brad_mssw:

i'm sure the 'softcam' solutions are not legal though

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xris:

jblack: in the US, poretty much

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xris:

brad_mssw: yeah, softcam isn't legal, that's why we try to limit conversation here to FTA stuff only.

[17:22:19]

Torg:

do brad_mssw do you have any info on what dvb card with what CI?

[17:22:35]

jblack:

Ok. So If I get an HD5500 from pchdtv and digital cable from my local provider, it should work fine.

[17:22:40]

Torg:

what I saw was that DN did 8PSK and all the non s2 cards do qpsk

[17:22:48]

xris:

Torg: ahh, winegard, not wineguard.. hence why google didn't turn up results. :)

[17:23:01]

Torg:

sorry xris I dont type too damn well :P

[17:23:10]

xris:

Torg: also, doesn't answer which kind of lnb I'd need for more.. circular, etc.

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brad_mssw:

xris: is using a real CI/CAM not legal though ?

[17:23:33]

xris:

brad_mssw: I honestly don't know. haven't heard info about it.

[17:23:41]

Torg:

well I can think of a few ways it woudlnt be legal

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brad_mssw:

Torg: well, that's the thing, I'm not sure if _any_ CI/CAM will work or not, or if you have to have a specific one

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xris:

brad_mssw: I think the issue with this channel anyway is that if it's something that sounds illegal, we don't want people talking about it.

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Torg:

do you understnad how a DN or DTV CAM works?

[17:24:21]

Torg:

and yes you would need a specic CI

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Torg:

in DVB-S with CI the CI hardware is the cam, the smartcard is the crypto key

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twitchnln:

i was wondering how a dual-p2 400 with a gb of mem and 2 pvr-350s would work as a backend, any ideas?

[17:25:16]

Torg:

in DN DTV that cam is the card itself, its a program running on the card, and it provides securoty

[17:25:33]

Torg:

that system required you to kow the ird key along with the cam key its how the operate

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fryfrog:

twitchnln: it'd be fine

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fryfrog:

twitchnln: you could probably do 4x pvr150 instead

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Torg:

and to connect a dvb to a CI with US sat woudl require you know those keys

[17:25:56]

fryfrog:

unless you already *own* the 350, they are a waste in a BE

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Torg:

im 99.9999% sure there is no way in hell DTV or DN will tell you those keys

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Torg:

so im pretty sure DVB+CI in the US is not legal

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twitchnln:

i already have the tuners, and a seperate frontend, was just gonna expand it

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Torg:

but like I said before im an engineer not a lawyer

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brad_mssw:

Torg: well, if it's handled all in hardware, like the TwinhanDTV Ter-CI which advertises you can legally get pay TV ...

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Torg:

nput terminal: F-type 75 Ohm

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Torg:

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Torg:

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Torg:

it dosnt do 8PSK

[17:30:01]

Torg:

its posible, but unlikly someone like Sony would make a DVB card for Directv

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Torg:

Directvs own history with security and their irds sorta makes me dount this will ever happen

[17:30:36]

Torg:

on the other hand you have dishnet

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Torg:

a BIG chucnk of subscrition money from dishnet comes from the fact they control the manufature and distribution of irds

[17:31:15]

Torg:

its an integral part of thier business plan and a major chunk of there sucurity

[17:31:36]

Torg:

I would belive dishnet woruld simply stop encrypting their bcasts before they supposted a dvb card

[17:31:46]

Torg:

so the liklyhood of either is slim to none

[17:32:23]

Torg:

and and is also at the root of why I told dishnet to shove it after being a subsciber for over 5 years

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brad_mssw:

hmm, I take it 8PSK and QPSK are not compatible

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Torg:

I get ATSC for free, at better band rates, higher quailti, without some netowrk tech fucking with teh signal and its free

[17:33:37]

Torg:

no think of 8PSK being 2x the rate of QPSK

[17:33:52]

Torg:

its what those netowrk enginer do to "rob" bits from teh signal

[17:34:09]

Torg:

Ill assume you have seen the marketing hype of "digital tv"

[17:34:28]

Torg:

you have seen or head DN/DTV/TW Cable/Comcast argue over who is better or not

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Torg:

if you use any of these you have seen them limit bandwidth to support on demand and pay per view over your subscirtion

[17:35:12]

Torg:

and if you encode shit to digtal you still get digital shit?

[17:35:16]

Torg:

GIGO?

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fryfrog:

ahha

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Torg:

THAT is what the sat comapnies do

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Torg:

but rember becase its digital its better :)

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brad_mssw:

heh

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brad_mssw:

yeah, I've got digital cable at home, personally, no satellite

[17:36:26]

Torg:

ever be watching say CSI and see artifact in the tv? big blocks in the mpegs?

[17:36:44]

Torg:

ever wonder where they come from, you thinnk gee my cable must be bad or its the reciver?

[17:36:53]

brad_mssw:

actually, CBS's HD is one of the worst I've seen ... any high-motion content becomes distorted

[17:37:06]

Torg:

maybe thats true but I would suspect them robbing bits for on demand over your bad cable

[17:37:07]

brad_mssw:

(e.g. football games)

[17:37:18]

brad_mssw:

but ESPN is fine

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Torg:

yes they do that here with ABC

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Torg:

football on cable HDTV sucks

[17:37:48]

Torg:

you can see can lines, tearing, pxilation, etc

[17:38:03]

Torg:

take a wild guess what I get on ATSC that I dont pay a penny for?

[17:38:40]

Torg:

go subscrine to DN and after 5 years they tell you to get HDTV will cost you $500 and you hve to pay extra to record it

[17:39:32]

Torg:

If I had the moneyt to do so Id make my own tv commericals saying how the media companies lie to you, and what you pay extra for they get for free and so can you

[17:40:24]

Torg:

if you dont belive me go look at teh HDTV only package of the provider, pick one, any will do

[17:40:34]

Torg:

then go to lyngsat and chcek off all the FTA HD channels

[17:40:50]

Torg:

then to to antennaweb and check off all the digial channels

[17:41:18]

Torg:

when you are done if you have more then just the subsctions servics (HBO, Cinemax, etc) id be surpised

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hjohnson:

skinemax?

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hjohnson:

damnit, I locked myself out of the PBX, AGAIN

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Torg:

am I reading this correctly, HBO HD is bcast FTA???? http://www.lyngsat.com/freetv/United-States.html

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fryfrog:

green seems to mean "HD/encrypted"

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fryfrog:

so no, it isn't free

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Torg:

yea I found the color code chart, I guess its a mistake on the FTA list

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antiProzac:

how does mythtv feel about getting compiled with gcc-4

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fryfrog:

it makes myth feel a little warm and fuzzy inside, kind of like the first time a girl takes a shower with one of those water sprayers that comes off and accidentally runs it by her naughty bits

[18:06:38]

antiProzac:

i thought so

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fryfrog:

my whole system is compiled with gcc 4.1.1 on gentoo and i've not seen any issues

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fryfrog:

the myth ebuild does nuke all the ricer --gcc options though

[18:07:55]

antiProzac:

what happens if configure detect pentiumpro even though i have a duron and I see -march=pentiumpro when it compiles

[18:08:03]

antiProzac:

could that be the source of my segfaults

[18:08:26]

antiProzac:

I manually overrode that for this current compile I am doing using -march=athlon

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fryfrog:

prolly not, ppro is almost lower than pentium

[18:08:40]

fryfrog:

ppro is anything p2 and up

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fryfrog:

what distro you using?

[18:09:03]

antiProzac:

there is no intel instruction in there that AMD's dont have?

[18:09:09]

fryfrog:

afaik

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fryfrog:

what distro?

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Torg:

use -march=x86 I have yet to see how architecture spcifc code helped myth any

[18:09:20]

antiProzac:

a bastardized ubuntu

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fryfrog:

let me look at my logs

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antiProzac:

I'm not looking to help mythtv, I'm looking for stopping all my seg faults

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antiProzac:

segfault city over here

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fryfrog:

-march=athlon64

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Torg:

like I said use -march=x86

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fryfrog:

my gentoo ebuild kept my "athlon64" setting, so that *could* be it

[18:10:49]

fryfrog:

why not use the packaged myth fils?

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fryfrog:

instead of compiling?

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antiProzac:

x86 sound slike the safest bet

[18:11:14]

antiProzac:

becuase I can only find 0.18 prebuilt for ubuntu

[18:11:30]

fryfrog:

poke around, i swear i saw a repo with 0.20

[18:11:33]

Torg:

i use march=x86 and distcc to compile it once for both my front and backends

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** hjohnson ponders if there are any reasonable DVI->Cat-5 adapters.. **

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Torg:

if I do each sperately I can genrerate byte specifc dode

[18:12:00]

Torg:

but as far as I can see that code has no better perforance then the x86 did

[18:12:25]

Torg:

im not entirely certain there really is any differnce other then 64 bit addressing which is about 60 bits more then what you need

[18:12:47]

Torg:

debian is .19

[18:12:57]

Torg:

FC4 has .20

[18:13:09]

Torg:

ive seen ALOT of prople come complaining about FC$

[18:13:12]

Torg:

err FC4

[18:13:22]

Torg:

I dont know if its the people or there platform

[18:13:36]

antiProzac:

i here the packagers of mythtv on FC4 need to be stabbed in the face

[18:13:43]

Torg:

I do know debian is the easiest, cleanest, and most sane of all the choices

[18:14:07]

Anduin:

antiProzac: Axel does about as good a job as one could hope for.

[18:14:08]

Torg:

if you want to be REALLY lazy go get knoppmyth

[18:14:19]

Torg:

I belvei knoppmyth is based on debian (or something like debian at least)

[18:14:42]

Torg:

I dont think its Axel's fault as much as I think its FC4 in general

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Anduin:

I'm more willing to blame users.

[18:15:25]

Torg:

well there is that too....

[18:15:51]

Torg:

RH and its ilk have left a bad taste in my mouth one too many times

[18:16:01]

Torg:

so I tend to be prejudiced against it

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Anduin:

fedora once released a kernel where you couldn't debug programs, after it sat in testing

[18:19:04]

Torg:

RH once releeased a compiler (well glib) that couldnt compile its own kernel

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Torg:

there are alot of reasons I dislike it

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fryfrog:

i just noticed in my messages file, I have 116,035 attempts to log into my box via ssh!

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kormoc:

a little low... haven't had it on the net too long have you? :P

[18:26:40]

Torg:

either you need a firewall rule or your entirly too persistant

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kormoc:

Torg, I have a question for ya, how do you set a firewall rule to only allow you from anywhere but not allow people who shouldn't be there?

[18:27:59]

scopeuk:

port knocking

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Torg:

you would have to know the ip address and add it before hand

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Torg:

firewall rules are based on ip address

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kormoc:

that doesn't work when you have say, 15 users from random places in the world using a server

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scopeuk:

you dont say

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scopeuk:

and they all move

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kormoc:

scopeuk, heh, yeah, that would work, and be painful to explain too :P

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Torg:

what I would suggest is put a vpn device on the outside, relaly in your DNZ and only trust autneticated users

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scopeuk:

port knocking/gateway authentication whould work though

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kormoc:

talk about complicated

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kormoc:

yet alone how do you say, when on vacation at a random hotel using their guest comptuer get access?

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Torg:

like I said VPN device

[18:30:17]

kormoc:

that hardly works when you can't hook up your own equipment to their connection

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** kormoc shrugs **

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Torg:

wait these are your boxes?

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kormoc:

sure, but say I'm at a random hotel in the middle of idaho and I need to admin them for some reason, how do I get access when I can't use my own equipment to connect in, nor install software?

[18:31:29]

Torg:

like I said VPN

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kormoc:

how?

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Torg:

how would you like to?

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Torg:

VPN device, VPN software on a semi trusted host?

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kormoc:

you're at a computer with a web browser, do you know of a web browser based VPN client?

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Torg:

by defenition there is none

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kormoc:

right, so how would a VPN help out then?

[18:32:29]

Torg:

why are you using a web browser?

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kormoc:

like I said, the sernerio is I'm in a hotel in the middle of idaho, and I'm using their free guest comptuer and I need to admin something

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kormoc:

how do I get in?

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Torg:

dont use a free computer to do anything you dont want to be repeated, captured, or lost

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kormoc:

that's what ssh is for, a *secure* shell

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scopeuk:

putty on a stick

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scopeuk:

and then tunnel otehr "portable apps" hrough your tunnel

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scopeuk:

well ssh sesion

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Torg:

ok add a rule that says if you fail ssh x times you add you to the drop chain

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kormoc:

yeah, that works mostly

[18:34:37]

Torg:

tell ssh not to log failed atempted (thats the ostrich aproach)?

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siXy:

thats not a bad rule to have anyway actually

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kormoc:

I just have a tarpit, the first time you fail 3 times, you get banned 15 minutes, the second time, banned for 45 minutes, 3ed time, 2 hours 15 minutes, 4th, 6 hours 30 minutes, and so on

[18:35:16]

Torg:

add tripwire to the system to see if there scanning

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kormoc:

tripwire is only for after they get in

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siXy:

ideally you dont want them to get in :)

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kormoc:

tripwire is a data integrity tool

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kormoc:

so you can know what files they've modified and what not

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kormoc:

it doesn't help before they get in

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Torg:

do you controll the routers connecting you, the border router for example?

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siXy:

kormoc – how did you set up your tarpit? i looked at doing that and couldnt find an efficent way of implementing it

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kormoc:

siXy, I use sec.pl + a bunch of custom scripts

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Torg:

have you tried snort?

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siXy:

ok cheers i will have a look at that

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kormoc:

nah, I haven't yet

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Torg:

the real way I would do it is by implimenting a DMZ tho

[18:40:34]

Torg:

what you are decribing however is a use case for VPN

[18:40:48]

Torg:

freeswan?

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Torg:

altho I wouldnt put freeswan on anything else, it would be a host in and of itself and the only thing allowed though the firewall to ssh

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otwin:

anybody know why mythweb uses the default theme when accessing with my nokia?

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otwin:

here is the apache log: http://pastebin.ca/184267

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otwin:

shouldn't mobile.php give me the wap or wml skin?

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stuarta:

evening all

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Torg:

good afternoon :)

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stuarta:

hah! that means it's beer o'clock here but not there !!!

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Torg:

why can't I have beer now?

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** stuarta beers Torg **

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Torg:

beer = water+grain+yeast ....not only nutritious but refreshing as well!!!

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Torg:

you shuld drink beer at every meal

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opello:

yay 16th century

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stuarta:

why do you think people stopped going to church?

[19:15:32]

stuarta:

they stopped brewing beer!!!!

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opello:

but now we have fancy things like refridgeration, so we don't need to store water and carbohydrates in a slurry of pasteurized goo

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Torg:

umm beer is why we are civilized

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stuarta:

Juski is sick

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** Juski is only messing about though **

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opello:

lol

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opello:

civility has nothing to do with beer

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opello:

not that it's on topic for #mythtv-users ...

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Torg:

well then explain why the first crops grown were of hops.

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Juski:

since when is this channel ever on topic for long?

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Torg:

and you started it :P

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opello:

heh, no you did

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opello:

with flagrantly unfounded statements :p

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Torg:

they arnt unfounded, I belive them

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Torg:

therefore they do have foundation

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opello:

your foundation doesn't give them creedence for everyone

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kormoc:

Torg, with having say a freeswan host out that you can connect to and then vpn into the network still has a external ssh host that is world aware, that's my main point. it's not really that bad to have people hammering away when it's setup happy like.

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** kormoc shrugs **

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Torg:

no put a freeswan host out there, and only allow connections to ssh from it

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Torg:

or more precise the pool of ip addresses it gives you

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** stuarta started it! **

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kormoc:

aye, and how do you connect to the freeswan host?

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Torg:

ipsec and client

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kormoc:

again, that hardly works in my, I'm at a random hotel and can't install software and need acess issue :P

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Torg:

I already told you to quit using public terminals

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** kormoc laughs **

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kormoc:

at times, you just can't

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Torg:

hell get a nokia, balckberry, palm whatever with client on it

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opello:

lol

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kormoc:

there's lots of places where you just don't get cell service

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kormoc:

but there's land line inet at

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Torg:

lets see now, I travel sometimes to foreign lands, and to date have never used a public terminal

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opello:

obviously then you need a satellite phone

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Torg:

I carry an extra laptop with me, one for work one for play

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Torg:

on it is a vpn client I connect to at home

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kormoc:

again, that's assuming that you can connect your hardware to the inet line, that's not always an option

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Torg:

with it I can do whatever I like and can at home (with a few excpetions basd on bandwidth)

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Torg:

Im still not understanding why you have this requirement

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kormoc:

cause it's happened before?

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Torg:

well first off what is it that is so important you can not be out of touch with it?

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kormoc:

company servers?

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Torg:

is this your company?

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kormoc:

Aye

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Torg:

does anyone else work at your company?

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kormoc:

Sure

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kormoc:

a lot of people do

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Torg:

and I take it they are all idots too, right? nobody else can do whatever it is that is so important?

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kormoc:

not at all, I'm the system admin, it's my job to do this

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Torg:

but besides this why does your company not provide access to you remotly?

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Torg:

*THE* sysadmin or *A* sysadmin?

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kormoc:

*THE*

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Torg:

well there is your first issue

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Torg:

you have to weigh accessability with security

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Torg:

right now your accessability requrements make the security difficult, damn near imposible

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kormoc:

not at all

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fryfrog:

rectum, damn near KILLED em!

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Torg:

well then quite complaining about ssh in your logs

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kormoc:

erm, I never complained about that

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fryfrog:

that was me that mentioned 110,000 login requests

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Torg:

ok then why did you start this discussion?

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fryfrog:

i just turned off port 22 :)

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kormoc:

cause you seemed to say you had a solution and thus I wanted to know what yours was

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fryfrog:

i mean 110,000 login *attempts*

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Torg:

mine is a vpn and dmz, but you dont like it

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kormoc:

right, thus I was asking about what you might do with my restrictions in place

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Torg:

I presumed this was a real world need, not something that was simply the point of discussion

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kormoc:

we just use a dmz that is ssh keys only

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fryfrog:

shut up and talk about myth :p

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Torg:

ok fryfrog tell me how to get xrandr to quit freezing my frontend :P

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fryfrog:

much, much, much more *porn*

[19:30:16]

fryfrog:

sir

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Torg:

ahh but my pron is all on DVD its not a live stream

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fryfrog:

lame

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Torg:

well I cant exatly get the networks to brodcast porn so its not in my control

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Torg:

ok how about this I want a dvb-s card that can do 8PSK with a CI plugin available? And not a dvb-s2 that dosnt have linux drivers.

[19:33:11]

Torg:

ok how about an easy one, make the FE change video resolution based upon what the video stream is I fead it, 1080i vs 720p for example?

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pyrodex:

Is there a way from the commandline interface or some other method to populate the mythmusic database without being in front of the gui?

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GreyFoxx:

pyrodex: I don't believe there is

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pyrodex:

dang ok

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pyrodex:

has the long pause when starting the frontend to display a menu (opengl issue?) been resolved in CVS?

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GreyFoxx:

I imagine a "simple" perl script could do it, but I've never really looked at what gets put in the database

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GreyFoxx:

I don't see any long pause

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pyrodex:

Hmm

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GreyFoxx:

Only people with drawing issues I've heard of have actually had drive/opengl issues

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pyrodex:

I have xvmc and opengl painter enabled and its slow as poo starting up

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pyrodex:

I have a fresh install from this weekend

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kslater:

what hardware?

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pyrodex:

I wonder if its a problem with latest nvidia drivers

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pyrodex:

ummm

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kslater:

I have a lowly epia system and it pants the screen in a few seconds

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pyrodex:

P2.2G 1G ram 250GB with Raid5 /video drive

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GreyFoxx:

I'm still using year+old nvidia drivers :)

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kslater:

s/pants/paints

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Torg:

I belive it to be the opengl in myth itself

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stuarta:

gunna say didn't know epia's panted...

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Torg:

th nvidia drivers work fine

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GreyFoxx:

Torg: Several users of VIA /EPIA boxes have had driver issues with opengl drawing, can't say for sure if any of the nvidia users have

[19:41:23]

Torg:

I can tell you I can recreate that issue most of the time

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Torg:

if I enable opengl instead of qt

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Torg:

and the nice thing is netiehr X nor myth will show any errors

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ivor:

Torg: have you got recent video drivers?

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Torg:

myth acts as if the menu is actually painted, when in fact it is not

[19:42:13]

Torg:

of course, it was the first thing I checked

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GreyFoxx:

If you have any specific info on reproducing it, (other than just changing painters) you should submit a ticket with all the details and versions you have

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Torg:

that, DRI, and the kernel driver

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** ivor shrugs and wanders off. **

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Torg:

like I said if it showed me any errors I would

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GreyFoxx:

Torg: Just a background image but no menu ?

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Torg:

backgound image, icons no pointer no menu

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Torg:

I first thogut it was a driver issue as I know there is a problem with updaing X and not rerunning the nvida driver

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SENARE:

hello all ... i could really use som help with getting my install up and running, havent had any luck searching the net so i come here looking for some help ..

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GreyFoxx:

Just for sh*ts and giggles, edit your xorg.conf and add the following 2 lines to the video card section

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GreyFoxx:

Option "RenderAccel" "Off"

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GreyFoxx:

Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" "Off"

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Torg:

its in one of the bug reports, you can determine if they have that issue my running nvidia-setup and checking to see if it can enumerate the opengl settings, it will show up as non direct acces and X does not recongise

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Torg:

I use XFree but ok

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SENARE:

i keep getting access denied for user mythtv@my.ip .. any advice ?

[19:45:34]

GreyFoxx:

SENARE: I assume you mean it's failing to connect to MySQL ?

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SENARE:

greyfoxx .. yes ..

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Torg:

yes he has a myslq setup issue, wrong password not listing to network, wrong mysql.txt etc

[19:46:08]

SENARE:

and i really cant, figure out why ?

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Torg:

ill go check to see if I can recreate the drawing issue

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GreyFoxx:

SENARE: So your mysql server is on another machine ?

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SENARE:

yes i am actullay trying to use a linux backend with the win myth frontend .. so yes

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GreyFoxx:

Then you need to configure mysql to allow the windows machine to connect

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SENARE:

well i tried to do that but somehow its not working :)

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GreyFoxx:

grant all on mythconverg.* to 'mythtv'@'othermachinehere' identified by 'passwordhere';

[19:48:02]

GreyFoxx:

obviously fill in the othermachines ip and the proper password

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GreyFoxx:

then

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GreyFoxx:

flush privileges;

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SENARE:

yes i done that .. as whell as checked for skip-.network .. and commented out bind and have it set to my ip ...

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Torg:

did you do a netstat and check to see if it is listning?

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SENARE:

well actyllay i did .. mythv@"%" ...

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GreyFoxx:

what is the exact grant line you used ?

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SENARE:

netstat ?

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SENARE:

oki check for what with netstat ?

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Torg:

go onto your backend and type "netstat -a | grep LISTEN"

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GreyFoxx:

netstat -antu | grep LISTEN | grep :3306

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SENARE:

oki

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Torg:

look for a line with 3306

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Torg:

or do what GreyFoxx said :)

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SENARE:

i got a line thats says "tcp 0 0 192.168.0.115:mysql *:* LISTEN " ...

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SENARE:

and thats ip of my server ..

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GreyFoxx:

that should be fine then

[19:51:17]

SENARE:

so i guess thatsa good thing ?

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GreyFoxx:

SENARE: look in your mysql history for the exact grant line you used

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SENARE:

okej

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GreyFoxx:

then show it to me :)

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SENARE:

grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"%" identified by "xxxxxxx";

[19:53:13]

GreyFoxx:

and I assume you used the proper password when you entered it into your windows app ?

[19:53:16]

SENARE:

not safe but should work right ?

[19:53:24]

SENARE:

well yes

[19:53:35]

GreyFoxx:

SENARE: Actually I can't say I've ever seen a global "%" wildcard work reliably

[19:53:56]

Weezey:

GreyFoxx: agreed

[19:53:58]

SENARE:

so i should replace it with excat ip ?

[19:54:09]

GreyFoxx:

SENARE: I would yeah

[19:54:47]

SENARE:

lol seams to work now :)

[19:54:59]

SENARE:

nope ...

[19:55:21]

SENARE:

but mysql connection seams to work now so ..

[19:55:24]

SENARE:

thanx !

[19:55:28]

GreyFoxx:

heh np

[19:56:33]

pyrodex:

Torg that gl issue fix with those xorg lines? I am having the same problem myself

[19:57:02]

Torg:

dunno im booting my tv right now

[19:57:10]

Torg:

and yes its my tv, not my server

[19:57:21]

pyrodex:

I know I am having the same problem with .20

[19:57:40]

pyrodex:

And another minor issue but this was a big one

[19:59:35]

Torg:

so far it seems to work.im going to test some more

[20:00:14]

GreyFoxx:

Torg: If that works it's a workaround for driver issues that I had though nvidia had fixed. They started back in the 81xx driver days

[20:00:16]

Weezey:

anyone upgraded to .20 unable to play .19 recordings?

[20:01:05]

jammyd:

Weezey: A friend of mine has that problem, yeah

[20:01:15]

jammyd:

He started a thread on the mailing list

[20:01:16]

mishehu:

no problem here

[20:01:21]

jammyd:

chip in and people might start to take notice

[20:01:21]

mishehu:

my recordings are from a pvr250

[20:01:29]

Weezey:

jammyd: where's the list?

[20:01:38]

GreyFoxx:

Weezy: What error do you get ?

[20:01:41]

jammyd:

err, check the website, cant remember off hand

[20:01:56]

pyrodex:

torg so you have opengl painter and opengl vsync on with no problems after those xorg changes?

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Weezey:

I updated to latest .20 and moved the recordings to the same path, and they show up in the preview, but when you try to play it just bumps you back to the menu.

[20:02:52]

GreyFoxx:

Why did you have to move the files? Did you also move the recording location ?

[20:03:10]

Torg:

ok I got it to recreate with the settings

[20:03:13]

GreyFoxx:

Run mythfrontend from an xterm and see what if any error you see, do the same with mythbackend

[20:03:25]

Weezey:

I moved to a bigger box. Path is the same.

[20:03:31]

GreyFoxx:

Ahhh ok

[20:03:51]

GreyFoxx:

From both apps from an xterm and you should see any errors about failing to read/open and such

[20:04:06]

Torg:

of course I am and with X verbose 5 to a log

[20:04:12]

Torg:

there isnt anything in the FE log

[20:04:22]

Weezey:

my recorded programs screen in mythweb haven't worked since .20 even before I moved them.

[20:04:26]

GreyFoxx:

Torg: Actually I was referring to Weezy with that hehe

[20:04:45]

Torg:

oh sorry

[20:05:18]

GreyFoxx:

Torg: So every single time to start mythfrontend you get background, icons but no text menu items ?

[20:05:22]

Weezey:

GreyFoxx: Apparently my backend's not logging.

[20:05:34]

GreyFoxx:

Weezy: Just from it manually from a xterm and watch

[20:05:40]

GreyFoxx:

or tell it to log to a file

[20:05:54]

GreyFoxx:

if it's failing to find a file it will be obvious in the output

[20:05:59]

Weezey:

k, hopefully that's all there is to it.

[20:06:40]

Torg:

ok this is what I did, I watch live TV (its set to go to listing on start) it takes 60–120 seconds to start rendring video int eh small window. I swtich to live (hit escape) and it again takes 60 or so second to render tv 9with some stuttering at first)

[20:06:52]

Torg:

on exit it goes to the menu with backgound no menu items no icon

[20:07:06]

Torg:

when I hit and arror it reapints everything and come back

[20:07:24]

GreyFoxx:

Wow that's really messed up

[20:07:28]

Torg:

logs from the BE show me watching a channel and nothing more

[20:07:34]

GreyFoxx:

Especially the 60 seconds

[20:07:41]

Torg:

X shows me loading modules and setting rolution nothing more

[20:07:56]

Torg:

and FE is sho8ng it cled a socts and ened live tv to none, like normal

[20:08:12]

Torg:

in other words there is nothing in the logs out of the ordianry

[20:08:27]

Torg:

I recreated that same scienero twice

[20:08:31]

GreyFoxx:

the GL Painter isn't even involved in any of that (playback stuff)

[20:08:46]

Torg:

I think thats just my card, its slow to tune

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Torg:

its slow to azap, slow to mplayer, slow to xine, and slow to myth

[20:09:13]

Torg:

its just something I learn to live with

[20:09:15]

GreyFoxx:

yeah but 60 seconds is huge, I would have expected myth to puke and die at that length heh

[20:09:18]

GreyFoxx:

ok

[20:09:29]

Torg:

no its displaying vido just with stuttering adn freezing

[20:10:03]

Torg:

it donst crash and eventually resolves itslef I dont count it as an error, not yet

[20:10:04]

GreyFoxx:

So the menu is there until after you exit livetv/playback? Can't say I've heard that one described. I'm not 100% sure what that would be

[20:10:22]

Weezey:

GreyFoxx: there's a lot of "Couldn't find backend for: " but those could be the files that haven't been copied over yet. I selected one and it looked like was going to work, but nothing showed, no errors on the backend.

[20:10:29]

Torg:

the menu is there, its just not drawn, not untill I hit anther key (in this case the down arrow)

[20:11:23]

Torg:

like I said tho I can elimite this by using Qt instead of opengl

[20:11:27]

GreyFoxx:

Weezey: Does the new box have a different name than the original?

[20:11:39]

fryfrog:

Pick: ATI Radeon 9600 vs. Nvidia GF4?

[20:11:48]

GreyFoxx:

fryfrog: nvidia everytime under linux

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Torg:

nvidia

[20:11:50]

fryfrog:

for myth

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fryfrog:

k

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Torg:

im opnionated tho, if you havnt already seen :)

[20:12:46]

fryfrog:

opinions are like assholes, everyone has one :)

[20:12:47]

stuarta:

sadly i'm ATI....

[20:12:55]

Torg:

ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 5940

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GreyFoxx:

Weezey: If the hostname changed then you can likely fix it with a single sql statement

[20:13:15]

Torg:

thats in the BE (cause it has to have a video card to boot) to date I can not ge teh fglrc driver to work

[20:13:17]

fryfrog:

I have about 4–6 nvidia cards, one ati

[20:13:27]

fryfrog:

my *best* nvidia card has 2x VGA so it is useless :(

[20:13:42]

fryfrog:

anyone wanna trade a FX5200 w/ 2x VGA for a 5200 w/ a DVI port?

[20:13:42]

stuarta:

what 2 outputs?

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Torg:

my opinion is based upon difficulty getting it to work with X11 nothing more

[20:14:05]

stuarta:

fryfrog: those things are great for a dev system.

[20:14:09]

fryfrog:

stuarta: two standard VGA outputs

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stuarta:

one head for the frontend, one head for coding/irc :)

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fryfrog:

as in, *not* DVI (which i need for my tv w/ hdmi in)

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Torg:

--) PCI:*(0:9:0) ATI Technologies Inc unknown chipset (0x5960) rev 1, Mem @ 0xc

[20:14:31]

Torg:

0000000/27, 0xcfff0000/16, I/O @ 0xd800/8, BIOS @ 0xcffc0000/17

[20:14:32]

Torg:

(--) PCI: (0:9:1) ATI Technologies Inc unknown chipset (0x5940) rev 1, Mem @ 0xb

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Torg:

8000000/27, 0xcff90000/16

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Torg:

same trash

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Dravik:

Torg: will a p3 768 w/ 768mb of Ram do HD playback?

[20:14:59]

fryfrog:

no

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GreyFoxx:

Dravik: No

[20:15:07]

Torg:

no

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fryfrog:

an athlon xp 1400 won't do HD playback either

[20:15:14]

Dravik:

dang.

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fryfrog:

i'd say 2–2.5ghz is min for HD

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GreyFoxx:

look for something closer to 2GHZ and up

[20:15:25]

Dravik:

i just had a computer from work i could take home

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Dravik:

hehe

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fryfrog:

I'm *hoping* that my old dual xeon 2.4ghz will do it, i'll find out

[20:15:31]

Torg:

umm fryfrog I got my athalon 1500 to do it, just barly

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GreyFoxx:

Dravik: It would be fine for SDTV playback though :)

[20:15:42]

fryfrog:

really?

[20:15:45]

fryfrog:

my 1400 wouldn't

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fryfrog:

er, 1600, it was stuttery

[20:15:51]

fryfrog:

what'd you do?

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Torg:

yes with the nvida card

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fryfrog:

yeah, it'd work find with SD

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Torg:

waht did I do what?

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Dravik:

maybe i could just setup mythtv my first time and get something work with SD

[20:16:08]

fryfrog:

did you use xvmc or ?

[20:16:12]

Torg:

yes

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GreyFoxx:

Dravik: Sounds like a good idea

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defi:

hi all

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fryfrog:

xvmc on my nvidia cards just resulted in a greyscale OSD :/

[20:16:42]

Dravik:

Greyfox: same concept with the Dish DVR, i can take the output and record just one channel from it?

[20:16:49]

Torg:

I used xvmc, no deinterlace, nvida 5900 card and dumped ac3 raw

[20:16:52]

GreyFoxx:

Dravik: yes

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Torg:

it would play with slight stuttering

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fryfrog:

ah

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Dravik:

ok i'll give that a shot.

[20:17:12]

defi:

I have a simple question, where are the picture controls(color,contrast,etc...) when using the internal dvd player

[20:17:13]

fryfrog:

but it still wasn't a great HD fe :[

[20:17:21]

GreyFoxx:

defi: press F

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Torg:

that slight stuttering is what made my migrate it to my backend

[20:17:33]

defi:

has to be capitol hugh?

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GreyFoxx:

defi: I doubt it

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defi:

GreyFoxx: dosent work

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metalac:

hey anyone knows why my HDTV would be soooo choppy

[20:19:49]

GreyFoxx:

defi: Make sure you have XV Picture controls enabled in the myth frontend setup menus

[20:19:59]

metalac:

it's using about 55–65% of CPU with no XVMC

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defi:

ok ill check that

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metalac:

i'm using linear blend deinterlacing

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** GreyFoxx heads home **

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metalac:

the sound is almost perfect, but the video stutters

[20:20:50]

Dravik:

pvr 150 for $53 is decent right?

[20:21:41]

metalac:

Dravik: yeah that's as cheap as you'd get

[20:21:57]

Dravik:

cool

[20:22:35]

defi:

thanks GreyFoxx even though youre not here to accept it

[20:23:41]

defi:

One more guys, occasionally when I put up the program guide it causes the screen to go blank, I think its a sync problem. In my logs I get an xlib async error; any ideas?

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xris:

http://www.siliconmechanics.com/i7819/september-27-2006.php

[20:29:34]

metalac:

xris: nice, and they are like 5 miles away from me ;)

[20:29:51]

xris:

"they"?

[20:30:05]

metalac:

siliconmechanics :)

[20:30:20]

xris:

oh.

[20:30:29]

xris:

you're not looking for a job, are you?

[20:30:38]

metalac:

no

[20:30:41]

metalac:

why?

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xris:

I'm hiring another coder.

[20:30:59]

metalac:

oh this is your company?

[20:31:02]

xris:

kormoc got "promoted" sideways to sysadmin

[20:31:27]

xris:

yeah, I'm the Chris in that press release

[20:31:27]

kormoc:

Aye, it is

[20:31:39]

kormoc:

and I'm the Rob

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metalac:

so all you guys in seattle area?

[20:32:01]

BULLE:

no

[20:32:13]

BULLE:

other side of the ball, kind of

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xris:

metalac: bothell. north of seattle (unfortunately)

[20:32:21]

BULLE:

and more north

[20:32:27]

metalac:

xris: i'm at northgate

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BULLE:

xris: nothing wrong with living north!

[20:32:46]

metalac:

as long as it's not bellingham ;)

[20:32:56]

xris:

BULLE: living is fine. it's the working north and living south that's the problem

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BULLE:

xris: ah, yes commuting is always a pain

[20:33:21]

metalac:

yeah i work in issaquah

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metalac:

luckly i work 2 times from home, so it's not bad

[20:33:29]

** BULLE lives in uppsala **

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xris:

BULLE: nice area. would love to live in scandinavia, though it would be weird with so many people looking like me. heh

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BULLE:

xris: hehe, you look scandinavian ? =)

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xris:

BULLE: 4th generation danish

[20:37:01]

BULLE:

xris: oh

[20:37:29]

xris:

http://forevermore.net/misc/headshot.jpg

[20:38:52]

BULLE:

xris: yes, you would blend in very well here, no one would think you werent swedish, until you opened your mouth =

[20:39:11]

BULLE:

)

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BULLE:

unless you happen to speak swedish and or danish aswell ?

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xris:

nope

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BULLE:

oh well, you can learn

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xris:

and I know. had an overnight layover in denmark one time.. was coming from israel and only had shorts and a tshirt on and it was COLD, totally looked like a tourist, but people still kept speaking to me in danish.

[20:42:07]

BULLE:

hehe, ye

[20:42:14]

xris:

learning wouldn't be hard. I already speak/read a fair amount of german

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BULLE:

they would have classified you as danish, swedish or norwegian, even if you looked like a tourist

[20:42:33]

BULLE:

and then they would have spoken danish

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xris:

heh

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xris:

yeah, thankfully most people spoke english, too. or menus were printed and I can understand enough of written stuff since danish is relatively close to german.

[20:43:19]

BULLE:

its jsut the same language, with a bit of different pronounciation ( swedish, danish, norwegian )

[20:43:33]

BULLE:

we tend to understand each other, decently

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fuffalo:

i want to have a mythtv box, but i don't want to store the computer near my tv. Is there someway I could do this with some type of hardware (like a mini terminal or something) or is running a big piece of svideo/coax my best option

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BULLE:

fuffalo: what is the reason you dont want the mythbox close to the tv ?

[20:46:43]

Torg:

seperate the FE from the BE, run long vid and aud cables?

[20:47:05]

BULLE:

fuffalo: anyway, you can always use a frontend that is very small, and lightweight, eg a mini-itx machine

[20:47:29]

BULLE:

fuffalo: if the pu speed is enough for you rneeds, eg watch stuff you have recorded, but perhaps not "public domain" stuff you have downloaded in high resolution divx etc

[20:47:37]

fuffalo:

bulle, because i want to run it off of a fairly beefy server

[20:47:51]

BULLE:

fuffalo: sure, as long as both frontend and backend are networked, you can separate it

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fuffalo:

so i can run mythtv off networked drives?

[20:48:13]

fuffalo:

wouldn't that make it fairly slow?

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Torg:

yes but that has nothing to do with sperating he FE and BE

[20:48:32]

Torg:

and no it dosnt need drive access that demanding

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fuffalo:

i need to read up on seperating the fe and be then

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BULLE:

fuffalo: your beefy server is the backend, it has the tv cards and stuff, and does the recording etc, and the frontend runs ona mini itx box, that sits close to your tv, and it gets the media, via network

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Torg:

and the protocal mythtv uses

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** Torg thinks BULLE is confused **

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BULLE:

fuffalo: normal 10mbit ethernet network is enough for average quality mpeg2 recordings

[20:49:46]

BULLE:

Torg: most likely yes

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BULLE:

who cares, im from sweden, that explains it all

[20:50:30]

Torg:

I run a AMB 1.3 mhz with dial dvb cards recording HDTV, the FE is a dual core 3.0 ghz with nvidia card and hardware AC3 to render HDTV

[20:50:43]

Torg:

on the order of things my FE is about 5x "beefier" then the BE

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Zider:

AMB? :)

[20:50:52]

Torg:

AMD sorry

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BULLE:

Torg: yes, but this chap said he wanted to have a BEEFY server

[20:51:02]

Torg:

the FE is a dual core p4

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Torg:

yes but you said to use it as the BE, why the BE it dosnt relly need allot, the FE rendring mpeg does

[20:52:01]

BULLE:

Torg: yes i know, but for some reason, he wants to use a big server, to run the backend on, and dont want it close to his tv

[20:52:13]

Torg:

god only knows why :)

[20:52:27]

BULLE:

i guess it is because he already have a big server, and just wants to add a few tv cards and use it as a myth backend aswell

[20:52:35]

fuffalo:

i wanted a "beefy" server (by that i meant loud, lots of big hard drives, good processing etc)

[20:52:39]

Torg:

fuffalo how far apart is the computer from the TV?

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BULLE:

and want to add some shiny tiny little box, close to the tv

[20:52:55]

fuffalo:

torg, well i want to shove it in a closet or something

[20:53:05]

Torg:

hmm good airflow :)

[20:53:10]

fuffalo:

preferably give it power and a wireless connection and shove it somewhere

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fuffalo:

;p

[20:53:15]

BULLE:

fuffalo: big and beefy server, doesnt like to sit in the closet, it will overheat

[20:53:28]

fuffalo:

i'm speaking somewhat metaphorically when i say shove it in a closet

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Torg:

I have two PCs in my licing room (well two for myth that is) both boxes have extra fans, and non special haddrives

[20:54:11]

Torg:

each make a faily large ammount of noise eith each case having at least 3 fans not including the power supply

[20:54:16]

BULLE:

fuffalo: wireless connections, might be ok for SD tv, but not HD, and it all depends onthe link quality you get, and that in turn will depend on hardware, and neighbours, and walls etc

[20:54:22]

Torg:

the damn video card makes jsut about as much noise as teh CPU too

[20:54:35]

fuffalo:

torg, isn't that annoying when you're watching a movie?

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Torg:

it works fine, I never even notice the noice, not that I would becae I jack up teh sorround sound anyway

[20:54:46]

Torg:

not even close

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BULLE:

i have one box for both frontend and backend, i have it behind the tv, its a normal miditower case, with 8 disks in

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BULLE:

and its pretty darn silent

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Torg:

the TV tislef, its a DLP, makes more noise then the suround sound reciver and both PCs put together

[20:55:29]

Torg:

hel the sorround soun makes more noise then the PCs anyway

[20:55:35]

BULLE:

i have 3 120mm fans in teh case, and thats it

[20:55:54]

fuffalo:

maybe i'll just do that then

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Torg:

like BULLE but with less drives

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BULLE:

they cool everything, very well, and as they are 120mm, the rotation speed can be kept pretty low so you get little noise

[20:56:09]

Torg:

oh and I run my fans on high, perminatly :)

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BULLE:

fuffalo: just get a good case, that allows you to use 120mm fans

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BULLE:

fuffalo: and pick cpu cooler, graphics card etc carefully, i have a nvidia fx5200 graphics card, with only passive cooling

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Torg:

Temp.= 37.0, 46.0, 22.0; Rot.= 1506, 953, 0

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Torg:

thats my frontend

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BULLE:

fuffalo: and a big zahlman cpu cooler, that uses a 120mm low speed fan

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Torg:

Temp.= 37.0, 40.0, 33.0; Rot.= 1110, 1140, 0

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Torg:

soorry thats the FE the other is the BE

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Torg:

and I use the fan that came in the CPU box, with some thermal greese added

[20:58:07]

Torg:

I put in two fans each extra to the cases

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BULLE:

Torg: i found that one to be way to noisy

[20:58:16]

Torg:

other then that its plain ol stright out of the box

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Torg:

which one?

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BULLE:

the fan that acme in teh CPU box

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BULLE:

replaced that stuff with the zahlman cooler

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Torg:

ahh I would have if it wasnt for the fact the one that came with the CPU works just fine

[21:01:00]

BULLE:

mine worked just fine, but was noisy!

[21:01:10]

Torg:

what I find funny is my dual core p4 runs cooler then my AMD

[21:01:35]

Torg:

but that has to do with the fact its got its own collent path (a cone thing on the side of the case)

[21:01:49]

Torg:

the case gets hoter because of the nvidia card

[21:02:06]

Torg:

and im not saying its silent, just that it isnt as loud as you would think

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[mbm]:

the new box I built is entirely silent

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[mbm]:

and that without even trying

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BULLE:

no fans att al in it ?

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[mbm]:

amd64x2 in an am2 socket with stock fan, the fan control is enabled in bios so the cpu fan is pretty low rpm most of the time .. aside from that there's just a case fan

[21:07:26]

Torg:

how hot is it getting?

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[mbm]:

40c

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Torg:

the only thing that really concerns me is the amd getting to 46

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Torg:

it runs like that if its under load or nor

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BULLE:

Torg: meassured with what type of temp sensor ?

[21:09:11]

Torg:

it aways has tho and never fails

[21:09:23]

Torg:

whatever mbmon say, ill assime its i2c or isa bus

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[mbm]:

my drives are getting a bit toasty but still within spec

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BULLE:

Torg: if it is the internal temp sensor, you are WAY below max temp

[21:09:44]

Torg:

max is like 65 I know

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BULLE:

Torg: question is, is the reading from the socket, or from the diode inside the die

[21:09:52]

Torg:

but it should be closer to 42 not 46

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[mbm]:

drives are reporting ~47c

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Torg:

dunno how to tell BULLE

[21:10:13]

BULLE:

Torg: no, it depends a bit on the process, but die max temp on amd is never below 80C

[21:11:01]

BULLE:

Torg: best bet is to check motherboard manual i guess

[21:11:07]

Torg:

its a sis950 accodgint to lspci and a scan of teh bus

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Torg:

I dont worry unless it gets over 50, so 46 is fin

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** [mbm] just uses /proc/acpi/thermal_zone to check temps **

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Torg:

teh CPU is about 2 years old now, its my old PC

[21:11:49]

BULLE:

if it is the internal snesor, and i think it is, then 50C is perfectly fine, 60 aswell, 70 aswell

[21:11:58]

BULLE:

over 70, i would be a bit alarmed

[21:12:02]

Torg:

well my kids old PC, no my wifeles old pc then my kids, well you get he idea its made its rounds

[21:12:29]

[mbm]:

BULLE: you'd probably get automatic shutdown or throttling before that happened

[21:12:33]

Torg:

ive always just considered the cpu to be "a bit hot"

[21:12:52]

Torg:

and my pcs are set to shutdown at 65

[21:13:14]

Zider:

I was surprised to get cool breezes from my pc after I switched from prescott to core2duo.. :D

[21:13:27]

Torg:

prescott = king of heat

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BULLE:

[mbm]: 10C under maxtemp seems to be default shutdown temp in most bioses

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Zider:

no shit

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Torg:

I had a prescott reshink platic wrap, no joke

[21:14:16]

Zider:

:D

[21:14:54]

** BULLE has a prescott inhis laptop **

[21:14:55]

Torg:

but like I said it runs like that under load or not, so its sorta puzzling

[21:14:59]

Zider:

I had the 3GHz.. with a bigass Zalman cooler.. still got twice as hot as the core2duo with stock cooler at silent mode

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Zider:

lowest I got the c2d was 28c with stock cooler..

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Torg:

prety much I think the high end coolers are just for people who want to overclock

[21:16:45]

Torg:

I cant see how it really changes much

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Zider:

not on a prescott

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Zider:

it's bloody required

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Torg:

that I would agree with, everything else Ive had is fine with stock cooling

[21:17:21]

jblack:

I have a pretty consistant problem on both of my frontends. If I don't hit a key for about 10–15 minutes, then I can no longer hit any keys.

[21:17:23]

Zider:

zalman cooler on a prescott prevents it from going supernova ;)

[21:17:29]

[mbm]:

Torg: they're for ricers

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Torg:

yes that and the fans with leds, and neon in the case

[21:17:53]

Zider:

Torg: well, low cpu temp is always nice.. and a passive cooler is always preferred (imo) over a fan :P

[21:17:54]

BULLE:

Torg: a huge heatsink means you can use a very lowspeed fan, or not a fan at all, if you put a big fan in teh case

[21:18:01]

BULLE:

Zider: agreed

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[mbm]:

same people that buy that neon crap and cut windows in the sides of their cases and install the tackiest of items

[21:18:26]

Torg:

well I just think that a computer is suposd to make noise, live with it

[21:18:35]

Zider:

neon belongs in "paygirl houses", not pc cases

[21:18:40]

BULLE:

they are not, its an old missconception

[21:18:41]

Zider:

or at rave parties

[21:18:45]

** [mbm] hates how you can't buy normal cases anymore **

[21:18:53]

BULLE:

computers are supposed to be silent, and NOT have neon lights

[21:19:01]

BULLE:

[mbm]: yeah, its annoying

[21:19:13]

Torg:

I agree mdm, I got to frys; and they have about 50 cases, the ones without leds and neon? 4

[21:19:21]

Zider:

Torg: harddrives may make noise, or case fans since they are big enough to be silent at low speeds.. but a small cpu fan just makes it whine

[21:19:35]

[mbm]:

Torg: yeah, it's like that at frys, compusa and microcenter

[21:19:44]

BULLE:

Zider: indeed, so better get LARGE 120mm fan to cool cpu

[21:19:47]

Torg:

hell my AC makes more noise then the cpu

[21:19:59]

Zider:

I paid $80 for my case, just to get a clean, neonfree windowfree silent one :P

[21:20:13]

Zider:

BULLE: or passive cooling

[21:20:27]

[mbm]:

eventnually they dug a decent antec case out of the back .. mostly normal but has two huge blue leds either side of the front usb connector

[21:21:06]

Zider:

lights can usually be disconnected tho.. crappy design or windows are worse ;)

[21:21:09]

[mbm]:

plugged them in once and went "DAMN!" since they were putting out more light than a 60W bulb

[21:21:20]

Torg:

I had them go thgh the whole speach on the "cool" cases and said, hmm I want one that is black, no led, no window, with power supply

[21:21:26]

Torg:

total cost = $45

[21:21:27]

Zider:

has anyone seen ASUS' case that looks like a bloody jet air intake? :P

[21:22:09]

Zider:

http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/xoxide_1917_93364720 – horrible

[21:22:32]

Torg:

they had a red one that looked like it was about 90% palstic molding and belonged as a fin on the back of a 1950's cadilac

[21:22:48]

Torg:

yup thats close

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Torg:

what the hell is it for anyway?

[21:23:21]

Zider:

what it's for?

[21:23:30]

Zider:

it's a pc case

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Torg:

yes that palsic case

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Torg:

why?

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[mbm]:

lmao .. Zider .. case looks like something from ARIKA

[21:24:04]

Zider:

12yr old wannabes buys them because they think it makes their cpu go faster

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Zider:

cpu/cpu even

[21:24:26]

Zider:

gah

[21:24:29]

Zider:

cpu/gpu

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Zider:

and of course, having that case might attract GIRLS

[21:24:52]

Zider:

..or not..

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Torg:

the only high end case I ever got was a P180

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Torg:

I liek it, its siver with nothing else

[21:25:04]

stuarta:

mwuhahahaha

[21:25:24]

Beirdo:

I like the Antec Sonata cases. Nice black box, real quiet

[21:25:34]

[mbm]:

anyone I know runs without the case most of the time .. which actually increases the temperature

[21:25:36]

stuarta:

eek, that is an ugly case....

[21:26:09]

stuarta:

they model that on the ships from BSG???

[21:26:14]

Beirdo:

hehe

[21:26:34]

** [mbm] has long since tossed out the screws to hold the case down **

[21:26:52]

Beirdo:

hmmm, seeing [mbm] reminds me I should put my WRT54g fleet back into service :)

[21:26:53]

stuarta:

tho, stick a dodgy head with ears on it, and you have K-9 :)

[21:26:56]

jblack:

Gahhh! My keyboard is dead again.

[21:27:07]

Zider:

I'll see if I can find my case.. forgot the name..

[21:27:07]

jblack:

Oh, it's back

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Torg:

I slide the sides on and then slide ont eh top, I havnt put the thumbscrews in yet

[21:27:13]

Beirdo:

funny, jblack... you could type that

[21:28:19]

Zider:

http://www.hardware.no/tester/kabinett/compuc . . . ttlarge2.jpg

[21:28:21]

jblack:

Its just in the mythtv window.

[21:28:26]

Torg:

my BE is an antec atlas

[21:28:32]

[mbm]:

http://img.clubic.com/photo/00034755.jpg .. there's the case I'm using

[21:28:46]

[mbm]:

the blue leds don't really show up in that picture

[21:30:00]

Beirdo:

oh my brain hurts so bad

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Dibblah:

Heh. I'm gonna just bring out my dirty laundry. http://www.s2r.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/madcase.jpg

[21:30:09]

Beirdo:

redoing mysql API code. blech

[21:30:10]

Dibblah:

Again.

[21:30:13]

Zider:

the compucase I have is made for silence.. rubber suspension for harddrives, no screws for the fans.. and dustfilter in the front..

[21:30:36]

[mbm]:

Dibblah: love the drive mounting

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Zider:

Dibblah: nice :P

[21:31:01]

Dibblah:

Thanks. They're actually rails. You can see the release mechanism at the top just.

[21:31:04]

[mbm]:

Zider: yeah, the antec case I have is sold as silent case

[21:31:34]

Dibblah:

For mounting, it's actually using just normal drive screws, running in slots.

[21:31:51]

Zider:

http://zider.is-a-geek.net/?page=gall&show=1883 &nda sh; a case I started on once :P

[21:32:06]

[mbm]:

Dibblah: isn't the drive spacing a bit close? what's the temp on those drives

[21:32:25]

Zider:

http://zider.is-a-geek.net/?page=gall&show=1879 &nda sh; inside the case

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Dibblah:

You don't see the 3 120mm fans at the front of those drives.

[21:32:47]

Dibblah:

They've hit 31degC before.

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[mbm]:

reminds me, I still need to figure out what I'm going to do with all the drives I bought.. got them lvm'd right now

[21:33:47]

Zider:

[mbm]: give to me ;)

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Dibblah:

It's definitely the oddest Proliant ML310 out there.

[21:34:03]

[mbm]:

but zero protectoin from drive crashes or fs failure

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[mbm]:

so basically if anything sneezes on them I'm down a terabyte

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Dibblah:

Just RAID5 them. It's badly maligned, but it works well enough for a PVR.

[21:34:42]

antiProzac:

I have a recording with 2 post-recording-proccessing options(commflag and transcode). It just finished being recorded about 5 min ago and immediately it started to commflag. But the transcode never entered the job queue under Information. Is this something that a worker thread will deal with eventually?

[21:35:30]

[mbm]:

Dibblah: thought about that 1/3 of the drive for parity sucks

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Zider:

1/3?

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Dibblah:

1/3? You need more spindles. Oh. And a few shares in a power company.

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[mbm]:

I don't mind loosing data due to a drive failure, I'm just trying to figure out a way to minimize the loss so it doesn't take out the filestsystem on the other drives

[21:36:28]

CCFL_Man_:

whats everyone's opinion on hp/ux?

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Dibblah:

CCFL_Man_: Well, apparently HP doesn't really like it any more ;)

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BULLE:

CCFL_Man_: yet another unix, pretty obscure today

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Zider:

CCFL_Man_: they are abbrevations

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Zider:

;)

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[mbm]:

Dibblah: well, put 3 drives in a raid5 configuration and one of them will be parity

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Beirdo:

HP/UX?

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** Beirdo shudders and runs away **

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Dibblah:

I could pick holes here, but I won't ;)

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Beirdo:

still wish it was Packard-Hewlett

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Beirdo:

then it would be PH/UX

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Zider:

[mbm]: put any number of drives in a raid5 and the capacity of one of them will be parity ;)

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Dibblah:

Ahh... The good old Alpha days.

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[mbm]:

Zider: yep, and honeslty the number of catastrophic drive failures I've suffered in the last few years has been zero .. I have crashed lvm and crashed the fs on more than one occasion

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[mbm]:

which makes me think I should skip raid and just find a way to make lvm more robust

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Zider:

for me, there's no real advantage of any kind of raid

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Zider:

or lvm

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[mbm]:

lvm is fun just because you can stripe all the data and have it appear as one large volume

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kormoc:

(raid-0)

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[mbm]:

kormoc: rihgt, but lvm provides the ability to expand the system and migrate drives

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** Dibblah just wants a fully transactioned FS (not just metadata) and a nicely populated i-RAM :) **

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kormoc:

heh, indeed

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[mbm]:

was thinking that with dm-snapshot you could actually do a transaction layer ontop of any filesystem

[21:42:32]

[mbm]:

the snapshots are writable, you'd just need to create a snapshot volume large enough to hold a few transactions

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[mbm]:

setup a cron job or something to actually commit them back to the actual filesystem

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** Dibblah also wants an i-RAM that isn't a hack. RAM -> FPGA -> IDE -> SATA is just not nice. **

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[mbm]:

just max out the ram on your motherboard and use system ram for your ramdisk :)

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Dibblah:

Uhuh. I'd love to. Ain't much good for a transaction log, though.

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[mbm]:

? i-ram is somehow better?

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Dibblah:

It's battery backed.

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Dibblah:

And backed by the +5vSB on the motherboard.

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Beirdo:

so is system RAM if you have a decent UPS

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Beirdo:

heh

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Dibblah:

No, it's not.

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Dibblah:

Doesn't survive a reboot.

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Beirdo:

ahh.

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Dibblah:

Trust me – I've tried :(

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SirPageno:

Hi all, I'm looking for suggestions for a better closed caption font

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nordle:

hello again, been build myth box for 2 days now :) Im configuring the imon remote, its all sorted, except app mappings. Does anyone know where there is a definitive mythtv command list? So I can properly map the lircrc file eg all the keyboard shortcuts Enter, up, down, Esc, Alt+Home etc Many thanks!

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GreyFoxx:

nordle: keys.txt in the source

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GreyFoxx:

thatshould cover most

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SirPageno:

nordle, If you have mythweb running, you could try the key bindings page

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GreyFoxx:

though I'm sure not everything

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GreyFoxx:

yeah good idea

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nordle:

Guys, many thanks! I'd googled for 30mins finding lots of other peoples files, but no list, checked docs etc, missed keys.txt doh! Haven't seen if mythweb is working yet... cheers!

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SirPageno:

anyone have a favorite CC font they like? I'm looking to find one that has the proper symbols like music note, etc.

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[mbm]:

o/~

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nordle:

Does myth have to start recording as soon as you start watching TV?

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SirPageno:

nordle, uh, yes

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stuarta:

it's a PVR not a TV

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nordle:

SirPageno: Why? you say "uh" like I asked a stupid question, thats truck loads of i/o for no reason.

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[mbm]:

that's how the pause/rewind features work

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SirPageno:

nordle, no sarcasm intended at all, just thinking out loud

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stuarta:

TV's display, PVR's record and provide.

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[mbm]:

livetv isn't anything more than another recording, allowing all the seek features available on a recording

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antiProzac:

I have "commflag and transcode" set in post recording. But the only thing that ever happens is commflagging. This has been an issue for several days now. There are no errors, it simply ignores my request yto transcode. I can do it manually, any idea why its not automatic?

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stuarta:

antiProzac: you haven't allowed it in the recording profile

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nordle:

But it's pointless, it creates wear on the hardware, noise, space considerations etc etc All that had to be done was create a 5min buffer file in RAM, then when you want to pause the TV you hit pause and it diverts to disk, like kaffeine.

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stuarta:

nordle: then go use kaffeine...

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nordle:

stuarta: Thats like saying use a mondeo over a ferrari because the mondeo has cup holders :)

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antiProzac:

stuarta: the default recording profile I assume. I just checked the auto transcode after recording. You think it will work now?

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[mbm]:

nordle: we're just telling you how it works, not making any claims about it

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stuarta:

nordle: look at it another way. after you've used myth for a few months you don't watch live tv, so the point is moot

[22:13:21]

nordle:

dont get me wrong, Im REALLY liking mythtv, its really well polished, loads of features, luv the web integration. It just seems a strange method considering there are no benefits to doing it that way.

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stuarta:

antiProzac: if it wasn't checked before and it is now. yup!

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[mbm]:

if you use mythtv for a month you'll find more important features which are in dire need of a rewrite ;)

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GreyFoxx:

nordle: That's how allpvr's work

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GreyFoxx:

LiveTV is not "live"

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stuarta:

[mbm]: we aren't even up to v1.0 yet. so, if you find something that needs fixing, start coding!!!

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GreyFoxx:

And it's not just aboutpausing livetv

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GreyFoxx:

It's about rewinding it too

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[mbm]:

stuarta: been trying, remember all those damned questions about atsc and qam earlier? :)

[22:14:58]

GreyFoxx:

plus you could decide 20 minutes in that you want to save it as a recording and watch it later. Myth will save the entire show, not just where you hit record

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stuarta:

yup

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[mbm]:

nordle: well, recording to disk means that you can rewind further than 5 minutes

[22:15:45]

stuarta:

[mbm]: i'm intruiged by it, so we'll have to keep working through it.

[22:16:10]

stuarta:

[mbm]: i work on the scanner (& eit) so i'd like it to work...

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[mbm]:

now that you mention it, the eit hasn't been workign either :/

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nordle:

GreyFoxx: True, very good examples, I must just be the 1% of people who want to turn it off. Maybe I can get a quieter hard disk so it doesnt sound like a willy wonka squirrel factory in there :)

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[mbm]:

but that's the least of my worries

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[mbm]:

nordle: check if your drive supports hdparm -M

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GreyFoxx:

nordle: honestly, after having a mythbox for a short time very few people still use livetv

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nordle:

mbm: acoustic = 0 (128=quiet ... 254=fast) so its set to quietest possible?

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GreyFoxx:

one you realize that you control what you want and when you are no longer slaved to when the broadcasters air a show :)

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BULLE:

nordle: thats a good start

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[mbm]:

nordle: check the man page but I think it means 128 for quiet

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BULLE:

nordle: also, perhaps buy a hd cradle, that has rubber to insulate from vibrations etc

[22:19:38]

BULLE:

nordle: and, if its an old disk, perhaps replace it with something that is silent, perhaps a new seagate or wdc disk

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[mbm]:

400G drives are down to ~$100

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nordle:

GreyFoxx: ok, I probably "dont get it" once if used it how its designed to be used it will click :)

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nero:

[mbm], link??? I've been seeing 320gb drives at just under $100, but the 400s were a bit more expensive..

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[mbm]:

nordle: "128 is the most quiet (and therefore slowest) setting and 254 the fastest (and loudest)"

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nero:

(and I am in the market for a new HD :) )

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[mbm]:

nero: I just boight 3 seagate 400G sata drives at frys for $120 each .. seems to me the pide drives were even cheaper

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claybo:

Hey everyone. I'm running 0.20 and am having XvMC troubles. Not only do DVDs not play back properly with the internal player, but CPU use has spiked big time from 0.19 — I can't even play back HD without it skipping and hitting 100% CPU, whereas in 0.19, I could have it play back flawlessly with deinterlacing and have plenty of CPU left over. I'm trying to recompile MythTV but don't know if maybe there's a confi

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[mbm]:

nero: ST3400633AS

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nero:

[mbm], ahhh.. I misread- I thought you were saying less than $100.. :)

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[mbm]:

~ means roughly

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nero:

[mbm], yup.. this I know.. I just misread.. (read what I wanted to read)

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BULLE:

i paid roughly 100usd a piece for my 320gb western digital drives here

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BULLE:

was a good price imho

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nero:

BULLE, yup- that was what I was seeing (about $95 shipped)

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hjohnson:

BULLE: yep, same..

[22:24:12]

hjohnson:

BULLE: so I bought 5 of 'em.

[22:24:20]

BULLE:

hjohnson: i bought 6 =)

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aboutblank:

does anyone have HDTV over comcast?

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BULLE:

hjohnson: i got the raid edition ones, for enterprise use, so they should last

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nordle:

mbm: 128 is quiet, but its currently set to 0, which is off, so I'll try it......mmm it sais "setting acoustic management to 128" but when I read it back, it still sais 0.....I'll google and see, although I think it is quieter :)

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hjohnson:

BULLE: what's the difference between the raid edition ones and the regulars?

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hjohnson:

all I've got is the regular SATA drives.. pu t'em in a raid 5..

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BULLE:

hjohnson: longer warranty basicly, and certified for 24/7 use

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hjohnson:

my drives are too quiet.. I can't hear that wonderful whirring and such sound when I do mass writes to the array

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hjohnson:

BULLE: oh.

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BULLE:

hjohnson: not even when you shut down the computer ?

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hjohnson:

meh.. I just keep my drives cool..

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hjohnson:

BULLE: I never shut down the computer

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BULLE:

hjohnson: when you do, you will have a nice sound when 5 disks parks their heads at the same time

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BULLE:

its the only time i hear anything

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hjohnson:

yeah, I've heard that..

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BULLE:

and then it goes CLICK

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BULLE:

scarily loud

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hjohnson:

but I have fon dmemories of 6 18GB half-height 10krpm SCSI drives in a raid.

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hjohnson:

you do a major database operation on that, and it was loud.

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aboutblank:

does anyone have HDTV over comcast?

[22:27:46]

hjohnson:

so yeah..

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nordle:

I just put my old Athlon64 rig into a silverstone LC03, its got a WDC-200GB, Im going to leave it because it was so much grief cramming everything into this box. Using Asus K8VSE, which is ATX, but its nearly 2 inches wider than my new gigabyte atx board, it was a proper squeeze.

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hjohnson:

hottest thing in my computer now is the CPU, at 49C

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hjohnson:

i'm pretty proud of that.

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hjohnson:

and I have the CPU heavily loaded.

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hjohnson:

15:28:47 up 6 days, 17:08, 5 users, load average: 2.00, 2.00, 2.00

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Torg:

what are you doing to load it that much?

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hjohnson:

folding@home.

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BULLE:

00:28:57 up 7 days, 9:47, 1 user, load average: 1.04, 0.75, 0.55

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hjohnson:

just to abuse the hell out of the system, make sure it's stable.

[22:29:08]

flyback:

also hjohnson

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flyback:

the raid editions

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flyback:

handle errors differentely

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hjohnson:

ahh.

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BULLE:

flyback: ah yes

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flyback:

to prevent the controller from panicing

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Torg:

is it real, are you really running a dual proc or dual core 100%

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BULLE:

they dont retry to read broken sectors more then a few times

[22:29:45]

BULLE:

so in case of a disk failure, the controller wont lockup

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nordle:

/dev/hda: WDC WD2000JB-00EVA0: 31°C CPU=34.0°C GPU=58c (no fan nvidia 6200).

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hjohnson:

Torg: dual core

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hjohnson:

dual core athlon 64

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Torg:

ahh

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Torg:

how do you tell your harddrive temps?

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BULLE:

Torg: s.m.a.r.t

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nordle:

Torg: Im using hddtemp

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Torg:

ok I get that, how do I tell the temp of it?

[22:31:03]

Torg:

COOL! : /dev/hda: ST3100011A: 35 C or F

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Torg:

thanks I leanred a new linux trick today. I never knew it did that

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Aid`:

i hope C

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Aid`:

or your harddrive is about to freeze

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Torg:

haha

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Torg:

its just wnat it said, yes its C

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Torg:

it does giv me warning about how my drive is not in a common database, etc

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Torg:

oh well : /dev/hda: QUANTUM FIREBALLlct20 20: no sensor

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aboutblank:

i'm ready to tear my hair out over this. been planning on a mythtv box for quite a while now, but I want HDTV (which apparently is a lot to ask) with my Comcast service. where can i find out what channels (all, local, none?) i could get with a pchd5500? if i upgrade my service to hdtv, can my regular old analog tvs still get tv?

[22:33:49]

Torg:

comcast should offer analog on the same line as HD digital

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Torg:

to get anaolog plug in a tv

[22:34:01]

Torg:

to get digital plug in a STB

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Aid`:

=]

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Torg:

you can get a dvb-c card with QAM to use instead of the STB *IF* it is not ecrambled

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aboutblank:

how do i know if it's scrambled? (pchd5500 won't pick up scrambled channels?)

[22:34:46]

BULLE:

Torg: cant you get a dbc-card with CI interface, and buy the correct CAM ?

[22:34:51]

Torg:

if you do get a stb to record say HD thats is scrambled you cant record it to a HD card in a box (at least I know of no HD capture cards)

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Aid`:

i can record HD on DVB-S

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Torg:

yes BULLE if he lives in europe

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aboutblank:

i live in America.

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BULLE:

Torg: oh, you cant buy a CAM in the states ?

[22:35:24]

Torg:

hes asking about comcast

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BULLE:

sorry

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stuarta:

Aid`: DVB-S != ATSC HD

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Torg:

oh I can buy them all day long :)

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Aid`:

stuarta: what is so good about ATSC

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Torg:

in fact I have 4 and a desk full of them

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aboutblank:

so many acronyms being thrown around

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Torg:

ATSC is bcast HD digital

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Torg:

what is so good you ask?

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stuarta:

nothing

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** Torg wonders if he really wants Torgs soapbox speach **

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Aid`:

why can't i get it?

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stuarta:

it's just the american#s need to be different

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aboutblank:

sorry.

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stuarta:

Aid`: ATSC = the american way of doing DVB

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Aid`:

stuarta: i use DVB-S in america

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Torg:

stuarta if they would bcast me QPSK I sure as hell would put a CAM im it and be happy

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Torg:

ATSC = american DVB-T

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stuarta:

Aid`: yeah, but dvb-s is satellite. the rest is ATSC

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Aid`:

is that like OTA?

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Torg:

ATSC is a bcast protocal like QAM for cable, QPSK for sat etc

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Torg:

yes that is OTA

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aboutblank:

does anyone have mythtv from a STB over firewire/1394?

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Torg:

ala 1970's plain ol antenna

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stuarta:

Torg: no QAM & QPSK are modulations.

[22:38:10]

Torg:

000:00:0d.0 Network controller: Techsan Electronics Co Ltd B2C2 FlexCopII DVB chip / Technisat SkyStar2 DVB card (rev 02)

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BULLE:

aboutblank: only STBs i have seen, that have firewire, hasve been teh FireDTV thingies, and they lack linux support

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Torg:

they look like that

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Aid`:

Torg: is that yuors?

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Torg:

ys Aid'

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aboutblank:

oh dear god.

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** aboutblank shoots himself **

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Aid`:

Torg: thats exactly what i have

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BULLE:

aboutblank: w00t ?

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Torg:

and yes sturata I knwo there modulations I use protocol becase its easier to understand

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aboutblank:

-_-

[22:38:53]

BULLE:

aboutblank: you bought a fireDTV thingy ?

[22:38:53]

stuarta:

ATSC & DVB & MPEG are encodings that are transported in various ways

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aboutblank:

BULLE: No.

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Aid`:

Torg: can you send any tones from your Technisat card?

[22:39:15]

Torg:

send tones?

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stuarta:

diseq

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Aid`:

like DiSEqC switch

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aboutblank:

this whole thing is just SO complicated. who here uses mythtv + HDTV and HOW DO YOU DO IT?

[22:39:31]

Torg:

ahh not its not a sat card

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Torg:

its ATSC

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BULLE:

aboutblank: start of by telling us ifyou live in europe or teh states, and what type of HDTV you want to watch

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Aid`:

Torg: i have Technisat SkyStar2 DVB card and i get DVB-s

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Torg:

same as a TT DVB-S card with a differnt tuner chip

[22:40:23]

Torg:

ues Aid what I have is called a AIR2PC card, nearly identical differnt chip

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aboutblank:

BULLE: I'm in the states. I don't have an HDTV. I want to be able to watch recorded HDTV shows on my computer.

[22:40:40]

BULLE:

ok, i dont live in teh states

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Torg:

aboutblank where do you live?

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aboutblank:

... the states.

[22:41:05]

Torg:

yes where?

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aboutblank:

doesn't really matter wherein does it?

[22:41:20]

Torg:

oh yes it does, greatly

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hjohnson:

given that I'm doing software RAID, I don't think I should have a problem with the thing panicing. :P

[22:41:36]

aboutblank:

Torg: East coast.

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Torg:

oh where on the east coast? im asking this to show you how to get free ota HDTV that you dont think you can get

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Aid`:

Torg: i bet you i can't get free OTA hdtv

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Torg:

where do you live Aid?

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Aid`:

midwest

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Torg:

as do I, I live about 50 miles south of Dallas, TX

[22:43:11]

Igg-man:

Is it normal for DVD recordables to not support TAO?

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Torg:

guess what, I get free ATSC HD

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Aid`:

i only get 1–2 channels on analog ota

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Torg:

if you can get a tv signal, with or without an antenna you can most likly get ATSC

[22:44:02]

Torg:

here go to http://www.antennaweb.com

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Torg:

in it put your zip code, on the selection screen select digital only

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Aid`:

thats not working

[22:45:12]

Torg:

whats not working?

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** [mbm] gets more digital channels over the air than unscrambled on the cable system **

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Aid`:

Torg: that site

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Torg:

same here mbm :)

[22:45:44]

Torg:

oops .org not .com sorry

[22:45:51]

Torg:

http://www.antennaweb.org/aw/welcome.aspx

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Aid`:

well there's this huge hill to the south of us

[22:46:41]

Aid`:

so we can't get anything through that

[22:46:52]

Torg:

ever hear of a tower?

[22:47:13]

Aid`:

Torg: we have a 100ft tower

[22:47:20]

Torg:

I live in a low area, my neighbors all told me I was crazy for putting up an antenna

[22:47:28]

Torg:

they all said, go get dishnet

[22:47:49]

Torg:

take a guess what happend when I put it a 5' pole on my roof

[22:48:10]

Torg:

so Aid where do you live that its so far away?

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Aid`:

michigan/wisconsin border

[22:48:52]

Aid`:

is UHF = HD?

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Torg:

most of it, yes

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Aid`:

There are no digital stations predicted to serve this location.

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Torg:

there are some VHF cahnnels

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Torg:

sorry Aid I did say probbly ther are still places in the US that are very remote

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[mbm]:

aboutblank: you don't need to actually subscribe to comcast's hd .. doing that would just get you a cable box or a cablecard, neither of which are useful in a mythtv box

[22:49:52]

aboutblank:

[mbm] : I don't need a decoder?

[22:50:12]

Torg:

it depends on if they encrypt the chanels or not

[22:50:15]

aboutblank:

I meant to say, i thought the channels were encrypted

[22:50:16]

Aid`:

Torg: this is sort of why i went to FTA DVB-s

[22:50:17]

Torg:

if its not encrypted, then no

[22:50:40]

[mbm]:

aboutblank: well, a cablecard is the decoder for scambled channels, and most of the digital channels will be scrambled, but nobody wants to put a cablecard in anything but a tv set

[22:51:02]

aboutblank:

[mbm]: so how do i get my HDTV?

[22:51:36]

[mbm]:

aboutblank: without the cablecard I'm still able to get nbc, cbs, pbs and a handful of other stations unscrambled via cable

[22:51:57]

[mbm]:

and that's on comcast

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aboutblank:

yeah, that's what i keep hearing. so basically there's no chance to get other than local channels?

[22:52:25]

aboutblank:

and [mbm], what tuner are you using for the local HD?

[22:52:49]

Aid`:

Torg: do we have to get a diff antenna to get UHF?

[22:53:14]

Torg:

well aboutbalnk yu could use a SD captur card, like a pvr150 and connect its inputs to the output of the STB and use and irblaster

[22:53:21]

[mbm]:

aboutblank: using an hdhomerun card .. just released this week

[22:53:55]

Torg:

Aid: it depends on what you have now for an antenna, VHF and UHV antennas are diticly differnt but often combined into one set

[22:53:56]

aboutblank:

Torg if it's an SD capture card it's coming in as SD... completely defeating the point of HD

[22:54:12]

Torg:

yes you are right

[22:54:23]

Torg:

but it would be relly pretty SD :)

[22:54:29]

[mbm]:

aboutblank: and yeah, comcast normally has a hundred or so digital channels which you can get with their set top boxes, but you really don't want to feed one of those to a tv capture card

[22:54:41]

Torg:

why not mdm?

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[mbm]:

Torg: much better when you can just dump the stream than having to resample and reencode it

[22:55:29]

aboutblank:

yeah i mean my basic "want" here is to get non-local HD channels on mythtv.

[22:55:33]

[mbm]:

much better picture

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Torg:

ahh I never tried it tho

[22:55:54]

Torg:

hows teh hdhomerun working for you?

[22:56:27]

** [mbm] has owned a tivo for a number of years .. setop -> tivo = crappy picture and several missed channels due to the inability to control the cable box **

[22:57:09]

[mbm]:

the hdhomerun box is awsome, I've actually had mine for over a month now (it's nice to be one of the early testers)

[22:57:24]

fryfrog:

wtf is hdhomerun?

[22:57:39]

Torg:

so you connect its two tuners to whatever (cable antenna) how do you controll it and make it work in myth?

[22:57:42]

[mbm]:

fryfrog: two coax connectors and an ethernet jack ;)

[22:57:47]

aboutblank:

apparently a VERY computer generated looking box. <_<

[22:57:47]

Torg:

http://www.silicondust.com/main/index.php?act . . . ;productId=5

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fryfrog:

i see

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Torg:

so I get how it connets, but how do you make it input to myth and how do you change channels?

[22:58:25]

[mbm]:

Torg: you control it via tcp packets and it gives you the stream over udp

[22:58:37]

fryfrog:

neat

[22:58:39]

Torg:

Upnp AV?

[22:58:40]

fryfrog:

anyone have one?

[22:58:46]

fryfrog:

oh, nm you say you do

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[mbm]:

there's a mythtv capture source that handles all of it so it just shows up like any other card

[22:58:49]

aboutblank:

so my final question is to clarify: there's no viable way for me to get non-local HD channels over comcast to my mythtv?

[22:58:54]

Torg:

mdmd does, he got it a month ago

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Torg:

no aboutbalnk, not without doing something illegal

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fryfrog:

aboutblank: non local meaning TNT HD, Discovery HD, HBO, etc?

[22:59:25]

aboutblank:

yeah.

[22:59:37]

fryfrog:

not that i've ever found. not even sure you could do it the "illegal" way

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fryfrog:

man, why is this dual xeon box taking so long to boot up? :/

[23:00:04]

aboutblank:

fryfrog, pm?

[23:00:04]

fryfrog:

you *could* output from one of comcasts hd boxes -> svideo

[23:00:09]

fryfrog:

it'd look *nice* but not be HD

[23:00:12]

fryfrog:

sure, help yourself

[23:00:26]

aboutblank:

i also thought the comcast HD boxes support 1394 output

[23:00:31]

fryfrog:

oh

[23:00:32]

fryfrog:

good point

[23:00:35]

nordle:

My imon remote is slow to react, can I lower the gap setting in lircd.cof? I tried but it didn't seem to do much (I restarted lircd and myth after). Im reading http://winlirc.sourceforge.net/technicaldetails.html for details on the makeup of lircd.conf, but Im not understanding most of it.

[23:00:41]

fryfrog:

i tried that with my HD DVR, but it didn't work so well

[23:00:49]

fryfrog:

i'd like to try again with their non-DVR HD thing

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Igg-man:

Does anyone know if this card is any good? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815100140

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aboutblank:

fryfrog: check PM?

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Torg:

I like the reviewer "Cons: You get what you pay for. No hardware decoder so it slows down your PC. The software is OK if you can actually get it to work properly."

[23:04:25]

Torg:

its a damn HD card what would you like to decode it to?

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fryfrog:

mpeg2 -> .... mpeg1!~

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fryfrog:

just someone who doesn't know what they are alking about :p

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Torg:

mdm can the hdhomerun do 8PSK or QPSK?

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fryfrog:

8-VSB (ATSC over-the-air digital TV)

[23:09:14]

fryfrog:

QAM64/256 (unencrypted digital cable TV)

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fryfrog:

that is what it says

[23:09:45]

Torg:

I also noted that it didnt say it did QAM but someone noted later it did

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Torg:

so I can hope cant I :P

[23:10:01]

fryfrog:

ah, i spose!

[23:10:08]

fryfrog:

what are those two, sat hd i assume?

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Torg:

I want a DVB-S card not S2 that has CI can can do 8PSK!

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claybo:

Hey, is anyone here successfully using 0.20 with XvMC — able to use the internal DVD player and play back HD content without problems?

[23:16:27]

fryfrog:

Anyone want to trade an FX5200 w/ 2x VGA for a FX5200 w/ 1x VGA and 1x DVI?

[23:16:41]

Torg:

yes i use xmcv all the time

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fryfrog:

claybo: i tried it the other night, but it was "worse" than mpeg2lib :/

[23:16:58]

fryfrog:

but i don't know anything about xvmc, so maybe i did it wrong

[23:16:58]

claybo:

Torg, how'd you install 0.20?

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Torg:

I use mplayer to play dvds

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Torg:

claybo: make install

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fryfrog:

it *also* resulted in my OSD being grayscale

[23:17:21]

claybo:

Torg, what did you run for configure?

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claybo:

fryfrog, yeah, xvmc is running for me, but in 0.20 it seems to be slower than non-nvidia accelerated graphics.

[23:18:03]

Torg:

Options: --compile-type=debug --enable-opengl-vsync --enable-xvmc --enable-xvmc-pro --enable-dvb --enable-proc-opt --cpu=x86

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fryfrog:

it is of course entirely possible i am doing it wrong

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fryfrog:

all i did was "echo libXvMCnvidia.so.something" > /etc/X11/XvMCConfig

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fryfrog:

and then switched to xvmc in myth settings

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fryfrog:

sound right or wrong?

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Torg:

wrong

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rothga1:

what is xvmc-pro?

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rothga1:

and proc-opt?

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Torg:

echo "/usr/X11R6/lib/libXvMCNVIDIA_dynamic.so.1" > /etc/X11/XvMCConfig

[23:19:50]

Torg:

assuming your lib is there

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Torg:

there for HDTV

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claybo:

Torg, have you tried using Myth's internal player for DVDs in 0.20?

[23:20:38]

Torg:

yes

[23:20:44]

Torg:

its WHY I use mplayer

[23:21:04]

claybo:

Is it just that you don't like the interface, or it just doesn't work for you with XvMC enabled?

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rothga1:

yes I know they are for HDTV and I know xvmc is to use the nvidia cards for displaying video (instead of all on the proc) but I am not sure what the xvmc pro is for

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fryfrog:

Torg: what is the proper way to enable xvmc?

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fryfrog:

oh, sorry

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Torg:

for openchrome chipsets

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fryfrog:

Torg: that is what i did

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rothga1:

the enable-proc-opt is for optical sound?

[23:21:48]

fryfrog:

just didn't have the actual name of the file right

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Torg:

how do you enabel it? run mythtv cmpoled with the entensions and select it under the interlacing optons

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kormoc:

rothga1, no, processor optimizations

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Torg:

its in the apearance menu

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Torg:

I use proc-opt becase I compile it on an AMD and run it on it and an Intel

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rothga1:

kormoc, thanks. is that supposed to be specific for each proc? or is that just done in general?

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Torg:

without those I would get segfaults

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rothga1:

Torg, ok

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kormoc:

rothga1, it auto-detects and figures it out

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rothga1:

of course it does, cause you guys are freaking awesome! :)

[23:23:35]

aboutblank:

could someone do me a HUGE favor and send me a sample 10 sec clip of NTSC SD video captured from their mythtv encoded in hardware mpeg2?

[23:23:52]

kormoc:

aboutblank, why?

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aboutblank:

wow that's a lot to ask of

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aboutblank:

kormoc: i just want to see the quality

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aboutblank:

or even a screen cap

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kormoc:

that's not going to tell you anything really

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Torg:

it would be quite large

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Torg:

and a screen cap is about useless

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kormoc:

as it all depends on the input quality, and the quality that the person is recording at

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aboutblank:

do hardware encoders accept different bitrates?

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Torg:

some do, I dont have a hardware encoder so I cant tell you which do or not

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kormoc:

Yes

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kormoc:

and different resolutions

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kormoc:

and it also depends on what other pci cards are near it and all that jazz

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rothga1:

is anyone in socal and willing to help me set up mythtv on a g5? (just the backend)

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kormoc:

rothga1, if you can even get it running, what capture card are you going to use?

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rothga1:

divico fusion HDTV gold plus

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|Torg|:

btw if anyone knows any other options for me to compile with I would aprecateit it, opengl just plain ol sucks on my box

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kormoc:

and there's osx drivers that give it a video 4 linux interface?

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rothga1:

the card sorta works on a HP desktop I have with a nvidia 6200 but I don't think the processor is strong enough to do the backend and frontend together

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rothga1:

so I was thinking of setting up the backend on the mac and using the HP for just the frontend

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kormoc:

sure, but do you have drivers for the mac?

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rothga1:

I couldn't even get myth to install properly because there are no PPC nvidia drivers (it was just using the open source drivers)

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kormoc:

okay, so then how would you capture the video even if myth did install?

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rothga1:

do I need nvidia drivers just to capture the video?

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aboutblank:

fryfrog: was it you that said you got local HD channels on comcast with that new card?

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fryfrog:

rothga1: I have an amd64 3000+ w/ nvidia 6200 that does be/fe just fine

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fryfrog:

aboutblank: not a new card, but i get them on my air2pc card

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fryfrog:

about 5 of them

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fryfrog:

not a lot of channels for $100 :p

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aboutblank:

oh that's on an antenna?

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[mbm]:

regarding something torg said earlier – I actually find that using the nvidia xvmc driver breaks things .. works with the version from xorg though

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rothga1:

fryfrog, are you running backond and frontend?

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kormoc:

rothga1, no, but you need capture card drivers, do you have some ppc specific drivers for your card?

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rothga1:

I have a p4 1.8 and I think that is where my problem is

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|Torg|:

so mdm you think I should dump Xfree and go to xorg?

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fryfrog:

rothga1: ah, yeah that sounds a bit slow for it

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[mbm]:

aboutblank: a uhf antenna and you'll probably pick up at least a handful of atsc channels

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rothga1:

the 3000+ is a bit better than my proc

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fryfrog:

rothga1: yeah, both on same box

[23:31:09]

fryfrog:

maybe you could just throw in a faster proc

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rothga1:

I am looking into it

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fryfrog:

aboutblank: no, QAM cable

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rothga1:

but I thought it might be nice to put it in the g5 because it has SATA drives and 4 pci slots

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|Torg|:

and AFAIK the only thing thats broken with my nvidia is opengl

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|Torg|:

but then I consider opengl support in Myth to be very imature at the moment

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kormoc:

rothga1, really, myth isn't very ppc happy, and so far very very very few tv cards are ppc happy.

[23:32:52]

rothga1:

ya, that is what I am finding :(

[23:33:06]

rothga1:

which is ok with me but when you get a free g5 it would be nice to put it to good use :)

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fryfrog:

zounds, yeah!

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[mbm]:

rothga1: you're trying to get atsc/qam?

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fryfrog:

maybe use it as FE?

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rothga1:

[mbm] I am mainly looking into qam

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[mbm]:

rothga1: well, the hdhomerun boards work and won't even take up a pci slot .. it'll just take up some lan bandwidth

[23:34:14]

rothga1:

fryfrog it looks like your 3000+ is 2 ghz so a 1.8 shouldn't be that big of a difference

[23:34:18]

rothga1:

maybe I am doing something wrong

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rothga1:

hdhomerun? I am not familiar with those

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|Torg|:

its when you hit the ball and it goes out of the partk

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[mbm]:

rothga1: silicondust.com .. ignore the fact it's a crappy rendering

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rothga1:

are you using one of those?

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[mbm]:

yeah .. (new plastic cases came in earlier this week and nobody has taken a picture for the website)

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fryfrog:

rothga1: it is worth a try at least, you can always get a faster cpu

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rothga1:

ya, especially with the p4s

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fryfrog:

an amd64 3000+ is probably not really *that* close to an old 1.8 P4. It is more than the 200mhz implied by the speed

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fryfrog:

I'm about to try it on a dual xeon 2.4ghz, which *should* be closer to what you are doing though :)

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kormoc:

yeah

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kormoc:

if it was just speed, the new conroe 1.86 ghz wouldn't be the speed demon it is

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[mbm]:

rothga1: I've streamed qam256 over wifi to a laptop with that board

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rothga1:

802.11b or g?

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rothga1:

cause it has a g card right now but I was worried about bandwidth from a backend going to the frontend on wireless

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rothga1:

[mbm] do you set this up as an actual capture card in myth or is it more just to use cause you can?

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hjohnson:

[mbm]: qam256 is fine, but what was the symbol rate. :)

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xrothgarx:

rothga1 was just bugging me and rothgar is taken :-/

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[mbm]:

rothga1: the box can be controlled via a tcp commandline utility and instructed to send a stream to a udp address:port, but in mythtv it just shows up as a capture card

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[mbm]:

actually two capture cards – one for each tuner

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xrothgarx:

that is really cool what do you use to set it up though? cause the options in myth that I know of don't include "network attached video card" hehe

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[mbm]:

and the trick to getting it working over wifi is that the hdhomerun lets you do pid filtering

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[mbm]:

xrothgarx: if you're running the 0.2.0 release it should be in myth-setup as 'hdhomerun'

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xrothgarx:

I will have to look for that again. I may look into that. does 0.2.0 have all the info to change the channel and stuff too?

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[mbm]:

yes, except that support for qam was added just after the mythtv release so you'll need a minor patch to enable that

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[mbm]:

there is an ir reciever on the front of the homerun box, but feel free to completely ignore it

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[mbm]:

(if enabled it streams the ir signal over udp to lirc)

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xrothgarx:

[mbm] thanks for the info, and fryfrog thanks for letting me know about your box, I will try a different proc

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xrothgarx:

I gtg

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