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Tuesday, September 26th, 2006, 00:01 UTC

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jemarcks:

xris, hey. i reinstalled myth.2 on fc4 after my hard disk died last week. now my dvd burner isnt working. /dev/dvd -> /dev/cdrom and cdrom -> hdc. is that correct?

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jemarcks:

xris, growisofs gives me an error when i try to create a dvd of a recorded show. /dev/dvd: "Current Write Speed" is 1.0x1385KBps.

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jemarcks:

:-[ WRITE@LBA=0h failed with SK=5h/ASC=30h/ACQ=05h]: Wrong medium type

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jemarcks:

:-( media is not formatted or unsupported.

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jemarcks:

:-( write failed: Wrong medium type

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jemarcks:

xris, i dont know what broken here or where to look. the guys on #fedora are not helping either.

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xris:

jemarcks: I hope you mean .20

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xris:

but I don't know anything about dvd burning.

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GreyFoxx:

which compiling mythplugins should find.

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GreyFoxx:

oops

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jemarcks:

xris, yeah .20. i picked up the latest

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jemarcks:

greyfoxx, do you know anything about dvd burners on FC4? mine wont write anymore.

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GreyFoxx:

jemarcks: I don't use FC, sorry

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jemarcks:

I was following jarods guide for FC and my dvd drive wont write... hmmmm

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jemarcks:

ok.. the /dev links look the same as the backup from before shows.

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FarrisG:

Where do I find plugctl?

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jemarcks:

Im trying to use the new 'create dvd' feature to make a dvd

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JohnQ:

Is there a way to set up two seperate recoding schedules for the same show? IE: record show X on channel Y at time Z with priority 10 ... and record any other showings of show X that occur at other times with priority -5

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kormoc:

sure

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kormoc:

do exactly what you said

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JohnQ:

When I set up the second one, it seems to replace the 1st one.. not in addition to.

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kormoc:

hrm, my understanding was they just got added together... anyone else know differently?

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FarrisG:

plugreport? Where do I get that? I'm on Ubuntu. All the docs/wikis seem to take for granted that plugreport is available, but I do not see it anywhere

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kormoc:

JohnQ, well

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kormoc:

you could setup the -5 one first, and then setup the +10 one

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JohnQ:

then the +10 one replaces the -5 one.. whichever one is second replaces the 1st.

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kormoc:

aye, which is what you want

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kormoc:

you want them to default to the -5 one

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kormoc:

and then if it's on at the right time, be the +10

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JohnQ:

no I mean.. only one entry shows up in the recording schedule

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JohnQ:

it deletes the other schedule all together

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** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

I have duplicates on my list for sure...

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JohnQ:

How did you do it? From the UI or from mythweb or poking the DB directly?

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kormoc:

mythweb

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JohnQ:

hmm.. thats what I am trying now.. getting the same behavior.

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kormoc:

what about a manual schedule?

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JohnQ:

I suppose I could do that..

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JohnQ:

Got it... once I deleted all recording schedules regarding that show.. it worked as you said it should. Wonder hat was wrong before... oh well

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kormoc:

yeah, strange

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jemarcks:

anybody using the new 'create dvd' feature of myth 0.20? Any problems?

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Dagmar:

Worked fine for me

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jemarcks:

hmmm

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jemarcks:

I am seeing /dev/dvd: "Current Write Speed" is 1.0x1385KBps.

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jemarcks:

:-[ WRITE@LBA=0h failed with SK=5h/ASC=30h/ACQ=05h]: Wrong medium type

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Dagmar:

How sad.

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jemarcks:

it used to work ... on this computer and this dvd burner. hmmm

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kormoc:

could be a bad disk?

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jemarcks:

hope not... i can read cd's just fine with it

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kormoc:

disk, not drive

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jemarcks:

ohhhh... duhy

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Dagmar:

Yeah, well, good luck burning a DVD image on a CD then

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jemarcks:

leme go try another disc

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jemarcks:

its a dvd-r silly

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jemarcks:

dagmar, still doesnt work

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Fnc:

anyone know on fc4 with .19 how to get to .20a the easiest way.. yum doesnt seem to find anything

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kormoc:

.20a?

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Fnc:

thats what it was called on mythtv.org

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kormoc:

meh, just plugins

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Fnc:

ok well then .20

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jemarcks:

Try yum -y install mythtv-suite

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Fnc:

thought thats what i did.. one sex

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Fnc:

er sec

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bmk789:

i recently build 0.20a from source on kubuntu 6.06 and when i try to run mythfrontend i get a segmentation error, what would cause this?

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Fnc:

i get no match from arudmetn mythtv-suite

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kormoc:

bmk789, donno, but if you follow the debug section of the documentation, you could find out...

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Paladine:

is there a command similar to TVEXEC for tvmenu.xml which will allow access to OSS/ALSA with mythfrontend running?

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Paladine:

I just had to close frontend to install cedega

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Paladine:

or am I gonna be forced to install mythgame plugin?

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** kormoc raises an eyebrow **

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kormoc:

if you setup your alsa devices up correctly (install dmix and friends), you wouldn't need to close anything

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kormoc:

and second, cedega doesn't require alsa to install...

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Fnc:

think my issue might be my repos are all not being read.... how do i get it find them

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JohnQ:

Is there a button to simply wake up the mythtv from the dpms mode screensaver thing without doing anything that I can bind to my remote with lirc?

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kormoc:

JohnQ, sure, check the keys.txt file and find a unused key and bind lirc to use that

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JohnQ:

hehe duh. thanks :-)~

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Anduin:

Someone was going to make a patch to ignore any key for the wake, never actually applied though

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kormoc:

that would have been nice

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Anduin:

I think Stanley K has a ticket that does part of it

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Paladine:

kormoc, I never said it requires alsa to install, but it does check alsa and not configure correctly if there isan error

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kormoc:

Paladine, actually it won't matter, that's just a test, and has no affect what-so-ever on the configuration

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Fnc:

anyone know why yum wouldnt read the .repo files?

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kormoc:

nope, but you might have better help in #fedora or similar

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Fnc:

in there now.. i think there all sleepin

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antiProzac:

anyone fine .20 much slower than .19? or do I having something flubbed up?

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Fnc:

got it... they were named .1 cuz i had them already

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antiProzac:

s/fine/find

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kormoc:

antiPosix, try disableing the opengl painter if you enabled it

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antiProzac:

kormoc: where would that be? Setings->Appearance?

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kormoc:

somewhere around there, aye

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D-side:

jeez.

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tgnb_:

hey there

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Fnc:

when upgrading what do you have to do to the db?

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tgnb_:

i'm confused about mythtv a little bit

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antiProzac:

Fnc: I dont know about you, but I dropped mythconverg, and reran mysql < mc.sql

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kormoc:

Fnc, you don't do anything, it will update itself

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antiProzac:

Fnc: didnt want to run into any issues down the road

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tgnb_:

in particular i'm wondering.. should the mythtv backend run as my user account "tgnb" or as the "mythtv" user account..

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kinch:

tgnb_, then you're way ahead of most. Most can't make heads or tail of it

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antiProzac:

I changed my QT Painter from QT to OpenGL and I think I am seeing a performance gain

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kormoc:

tgnb_, backend usually runs as root and/or a specific mythtv user

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Fnc:

once i have everything installed.. i should rerun setup?

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Fnc:

anything i should know?

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tgnb_:

when you say a specific mythtv user you mean the user account of the user mythfrontend will also run in my case "tgnb"?

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kormoc:

Fnc, yeah, you can re-run setup and make sure things are good

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antiProzac:

Fnc: its actually very easy

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kormoc:

Fnc, and it would be a good idea to backup your db before upgrading (look up mysqldump)

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Fnc:

yeah.. i did!

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Fnc:

i got use to backing it up..

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tgnb_:

im having trouble figuring out how to specify in gentoo under what user mythbackend should run

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kormoc:

tgnb_, nah, as a different user

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antiProzac:

watchout for the default channel frequency setting(that bit me). I had to choose us-cable(default was us-bcast)

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kormoc:

tgnb_, ahh, you should just leave it alone then, it's covered in the init.d script

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kormoc:

tgnb_, and it should run as user mythtv automatically

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tgnb_:

yeah i think it tries to do that i probably messed it up thinking that wasnt right

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kormoc:

tgnb_, worst comes to worse, just re-emerge it and in etc-update, just overwrite the files

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Fnc:

antiProzac: how do you drop the database again?

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kormoc:

Fnc, really, I wouldn't bother

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Fnc:

ok

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kormoc:

Fnc, it will eather update cleanly or error out right away

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Fnc:

reason im updating, is i cant get my hd ota to lock on anyhthing anymore

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Fnc:

keeps saying something about no tables...

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Fnc:

i read they did some stuff with the scanning on that stuff.. so though id give it a try

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digi:

hey i've got a wierd problem...when i'm inside my own network (ie behind my router) everything with mythweb works...but when i'm outside if i go to recorded programs, and try to download a program it shows the URL as being 127.0.0.1 instead of the proper domain

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digi:

any ideas?

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tgnb_:

kormoc, i just undid what i think i messed up.. and although it seems the backend starts it really doesnt using the init script

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tgnb_:

the init script shows no errors, and the log also shows no errors

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Honk^gone:

i was watching tv recently and a recording started. it asked me to quit live tv in order to start the recording. is there any way to make mythtv use the unused pvr instead of having it force me to quit live tv and start it again?

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tgnb_:

but no mythbackend process is running

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kormoc:

digi, setup the proper base url i nthe .htaccess file

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kormoc:

tgnb_, run mythbackend by hand in a terminal as root and see what it spits out

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kormoc:

Honk^gone, it defaults to doing that, you sure it wasn't just a overlap?

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Honk^gone:

kormoc: it did record only 1 show

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Honk^gone:

and i was watching only 1 too ;)

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kormoc:

Honk^gone, well, did it record a show right before this other show?

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digi:

kormoc: i've been through that file over and over...maybe the parameter isn't there, what field am i looking for?

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Honk^gone:

no

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Honk^gone:

1 show the entire day :P

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kormoc:

Honk^gone, then it shouldn't have done that

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Honk^gone:

guess i'll ignore it until it happens again :)

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kormoc:

digi, hrm, maybe it's not there anymore, what about the machine's own hostname?

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digi:

i set that already

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digi:

setenv hostname "pvrbox"

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kormoc:

digi, that's just strange then

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digi:

that's what i have set...but everytime i go to recorded programs it shows 127.0.0.1 as the url

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digi:

even through i'm using www.domain.com/mythweb as the original url

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kormoc:

it works fine on mine, it's strange that it's not on yours

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kormoc:

you can wait till xris is back on and ask him

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digi:

can u paste me your .htaccess file in a priv window

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digi:

just omit any sensitive info if there's any

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kormoc:

it's all defaults other then RewriteBase is set to /mythweb and the db stuff

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digi:

well maybe my defaults are missing something...

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kormoc:

you can always view it via svn.mythtv.org

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digi:

also is it just me or does the commercial flagging not work

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digi:

anything i record pretty much still has commercials in it

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kormoc:

it all depends on your source

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digi:

cable...

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digi:

comcast

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kormoc:

are you importing the comerical flags into a cutlist?

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kormoc:

when viewing a show, press e z e

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kormoc:

see if they start skipping then

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digi:

hrmmm i thought it was automatic

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kormoc:

it's suposto be, but that's never worked for me

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kormoc:

I always need to import a cutlist

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digi:

ok so when i view a show i press e z e

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digi:

in that order, and that does what exactly?

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digi:

or do i actually have to sit there and tell it when the commercial starts and stops...

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kormoc:

goes into edit mode, imports the commerical flags into a cutlist and exits edit mode

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kormoc:

if the commericals got flagged and it's just not auto skipping, that should work

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digi:

ok so where does it get the commercial flags?

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digi:

that's built into myth?

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nordle:

Is anyone using the imon lirc driver? I ask because I was in the middle of setting it up under lirc, but Im not sure how to test it, I did modprove lirc-imon and triedlircd --driver=default --device=/dev/lirc1 --output=/dev/lircd1 --pidfile=/var/run/lircd1.pid --listen and then irw /dev/lircd1 But then what? I pressed the volume up/down in case there was going to be something , but nada. When I run dmesg, it sais infrared port open, infrared port c

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Honk^gone:

dont use irw to test if lircd works :P

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Fnc:

anyone know what this is about?

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Fnc:

"could not open card #0 subtype: permission denied"

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kormoc:

digi, aye, detection is built into myth, if you enabled it in mythtv-setup

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digi:

kormoc: yeah i did...but it doesn't work...so i guess ill try what u suggested

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Cyberai:

im running myth on ubuntu dapper and my transcoding doesn't work. transcode is installed, but I'm not finding anything via synpatic/apt for the transcode daemon. Can anyonehelp me out here?

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digi:

im not sure it transcodes either...cuz its all gig sized mpgs

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kormoc:

Cyberai, mtd is part of mythtv

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Honk^gone:

nordle: does cat /dev/lirc0 (or whatever your device is named) give any output

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kormoc:

digi, that all depends on what you told it to transcode into

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Honk^gone:

(while lircd is not running ofc)

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digi:

kormoc: can it do xvid/divx?

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Cyberai:

kormoc, so, in my dvd rip setup, what should I have set as my base transcode command?

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kormoc:

that's a different transcode, that's just transcode, not myth transcode daemon, sorry

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Cyberai:

kormoc, so I need to install seomthing?

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nordle:

Honk^gone: thanks for replies :) It said in the help docs to use irw... so I should cat the dev b4 and after running lircd right? Ive shut the machine down now, its 3am :)

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Cyberai:

darn it

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Honk^gone:

nordle: before

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Honk^gone:

irw will only work when lircd is configured already

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Honk^gone:

you must set up your remote before using irw

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nordle:

Honk^gone: By setup, I've used the standard imon lircd.conf file, should be ok?

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Honk^gone:

if that's the one for your remote..

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Honk^gone:

you really should check if you get any output from your ir at all though =)

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Honk^gone:

before trying to use lircd

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nordle:

Honk^gone: Yeah, bought it last week, didn't realise its been around since 2004, looks good and I bought it knowing it was compatible......... how can I check if I get any output? Is that the cat /dev/lirc0 should I press random buttons while its doing it or...... I have read the docs honest, either Im a bit thick or they are not great ;)

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Honk^gone:

Is that the cat /dev/lirc0 should I press random buttons while its doing it <-- yupp

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Fnc:

does someone here have hdota stuff working?

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Fnc:

could they check some stuff for me?

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gentoo-user7184:

I am currently having a problem with my mythbackend.. It using all of my cpu all the time. If i restart the backend it goes back to normal but give it a few minutes and its back to using all of my resources.

[02:20:44]

gentoo-user7184:

Have no idea how to fix this.

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nordle:

Honk^gone: much appreciated! Im setting up a htpc using myth on slackware, but running the 2.6.18 kernel with lirc has been tricky, but I really wanted to run 2.6.18 because of the intel hi-def audio support....could have installed alsa I guess, saved a lot of cvs / subversion grief :) Thanks, got a feeling I'll be back tomorrow after several more hours trying to beet the machine with a stick.

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nandy_:

howdy

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nandy_:

so i give up on firewire

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Honk^gone:

at least you can run 2.6.18 ;)

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Honk^gone:

i'm stuck with .17 cuz of teh ivtv stuff =)

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gentoo-user7184:

the only real time that it doesn't use 100% of the cpu is if there are jobs in queue if there is not jobs the cpu usage goes to 100%

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Cyberai:

OK, I have mtd running now, but now it just sits at "No jobs, checking and/or waiting for DVD" when I try to RIP a DVD

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nordle:

mmm is 3:20am too late or too early for a beer :) .....no damnit, must resist, must get up in a few hours....sleeep....

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gentoo-user7184:

anyone got any ideas as to what could be the problem?

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Cyberai:

does anyone know what's wrong here?

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jemarcks:

Why do some of my lower 12 channels say 'Adding Channel x' ??

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tgnb_:

ok i got the backend finally working

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tgnb_:

i have a folder on a network share, with subfolders containing rips of my dvds in .iso format

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tgnb_:

can i play those in mythtv?

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gentoo-user7184:

if u mount that iso

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nandy_:

is it possible to view HD channels in 16:9 through the composite input? or will it always be 4:3

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Honk^gone:

what do i need in order to have mythtv transcode stuff to mpeg4?

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GreyFoxx:

tgnb_: The Video manager is for importing stuff into the database and editing it's info and such,not for playback

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GreyFoxx:

use the videolist/gallery/etc to for playback

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gentoo-user7184:

anybody have any ideas why mythbackend is using 100% of my cpu resources???

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Honk^gone:

gentoo-user7184: start it with -verbose all or sth and check what it does =)

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jemarcks:

greyfoxx, does the create dvd feature clean up its work area after its done or before it starts processing?

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tgnb_:

gentoo-user7184, after viewing them in the video manager they showed up also in the library :) and can play the files

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tgnb_:

GreyFoxx, yep i figured it out thanks

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|daver|:

how can i make my system use XvMC ?

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GreyFoxx:

jemarcks: I've never used it

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Honk^gone:

|daver|: set it as mpeg decoder in your tv playback settings

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jemarcks:

i tried it for the first time tonite, pretty slick!

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|daver|:

yea i did

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|daver|:

but i dont see fi its using it or not

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GreyFoxx:

jemarcks: Yeah,Ilooked at the menus, but never actually told itto make a dvd

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|daver|:

i just got a new video card, and i am trying to watch HD

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|daver|:

and it studders really bad audio and video

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Honk^gone:

xvmc doesnt work well with hdtv, does it?

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Honk^gone:

at least that's what the description says

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GreyFoxx:

Is your OSD black and white ?

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GreyFoxx:

Honk^gone: It's mainly used by people playing HDTV on PC's that can't decodeit in software

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gentoo-user7184:

start the mythbackend with --verbose?'

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Honk^gone:

maybe someone should update those message then ;)

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|daver|:

yeah the osd looks black and white

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Honk^gone:

gentoo-user7184: yeh

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GreyFoxx:

|daver|: Then yeah, it's using it

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|daver|:

ah so i shoudl start it with verbose?

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|daver|:

to check

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Weezey:

is it possible to get the new PVR-150 IR transmitter working with lirc?

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gentoo-user7184:

nothing special just the normal mythbackend start [ok]

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gentoo-user7184:

it is really weird i i have some stuff commflag right now.. but when i restart the backend cpu drops to 10% and the commflag is running

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gentoo-user7184:

which is correct i dunno why mythbackend after a while starts up with 100%

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gentoo-user7184:

and remains at 100% at a constant rate

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|daver|:

ok while watching this stream, i get prebuffering pause

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|daver|:

all the time in mythbackend

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|daver|:

logs

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GreyFoxx:

What kind of cpu?

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Honk^gone:

gentoo-user7184: i told ya to start mythbackend.. not the init script ;)

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Honk^gone:

anyway.. nn :p

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hjohnson:

heh, I salvaged $1000 of copper sheeting from my old workplace.

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gentoo-user7184:

amd 64 3200

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gentoo-user7184:

oo alright

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Pryon:

gentoo-user7184: When the load goes to 100, are you doing anything else but watch? mythcommflag runs niced, so it will back off if there's any other activity on the system.

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Pryon:

doh. I should read more.

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gentoo-user7184:

no wathcing

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gentoo-user7184:

frontend is closed

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gentoo-user7184:

no job queues and frontend is closed

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FarrisG:

Trying to build 0.20 on ubuntu. I'm getting this error "/usr/include/qt3/qgl.h:79:20: error: GL/gl.h: No such file or directory" before a bunch of other errors in glu.h. Any ideas?

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Honk^gone:

install the opengl headers? =)

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Cardoe:

gentoo-user7184: which version?

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gentoo-user7184:

mythtv .20

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digi:

hey does anyone have mythweb running and pretty familiar with it?

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MindHack:

mythbackend is running, however I do not see its port appear in 'netstat -na'. I have the ip set to 192.168.0.1, which is my lan eth1. Would this be troublesome?

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FarrisG:

Honk^gone: Um. I'm pretty sure I have them. How do I install them if I don't have them?

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Dagmar:

MindHack: Try replacing your eyes, or using `netstat -tunap| grep myth`

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Fnc:

grey you around?

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MindHack:

Dagmar: already grepped for the port number

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MindHack:

Dagmar: ah-ha, forgot to load videodev :) Thank god for full debug logging

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jsteinhart:

ok, this is driving me nuts: why did lirc_i2c stop recognizing my pvr-250's ir thingy when i upgraded my lirc source (debian unstable)?

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jsteinhart:

saw many lirc problems on the forums and in here tonight, but none match my condition

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** hjohnson waits for the tuner drivers for the PVR-500 to stabilize.. **

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Anduin:

the kernel is judging your personal virtue

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jsteinhart:

heh

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Anduin:

jsteinhart: kernel version, ivtv version, lirc version

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hjohnson:

ooh, Corner Gas.

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jsteinhart:

kernel 2.6.17, ivtv 0.7.0, lirc 0.8.0

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Anduin:

jsteinhart: and where were you before?

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jsteinhart:

everything worked

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jsteinhart:

using lirc_i2c

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jsteinhart:

now when i load that, all i get is "lirc_dev: IR Remote Control driver registered, at major 61"

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Cardoe:

grrr

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Anduin:

jsteinhart: No, so the only thing that changed is the lirc version?

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FarrisG:

Can anyone on Ubuntu tell me what package has the opengl headers that will let me build 0.20?

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FarrisG:

The install guide says Ubuntu 6.06 is the ref, but doesn't say what package(s) needed to satisfy the opengl deps

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Cardoe:

anyone on Gentoo?

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jsteinhart:

Anduin, actually no – switched from kernel 2.6.16 to 17

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Anduin:

jsteinhart: Try newi2c=0 as a module param for ivtv, reload ivtv and lirc stuff

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|daver|:

so what do you do when you get a ton of prebuffering pauses ?

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MindHack:

Cardoe: I. Amd64. You stll the packager?

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** jsteinhart bows before Anduin **

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Cardoe:

MindHack: yes

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jsteinhart:

Anduin, so what is "new i2c" and why doesn't it like me?

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|daver|:

anyone know why when i try and watch HD i get a ton of prebuffering pause? and the audi and video studders really badly?

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MindHack:

HD is pretty system intensive isn't it? Your cpu getting hammered?

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|daver|:

yeah it is

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|daver|:

its a celeron 2.2 ghz

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|daver|:

i got a nvidia 6200

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|daver|:

to try and help it out

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MindHack:

check out top, look at cpu and memory, might be disk related, I dont know. Others are likely able to find the specific cause

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Cardoe:

MindHack: yep

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Anduin:

jsteinhart: It is fixed in newer lirc, just a smallish ivtv driver change.

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MindHack:

fresh myth install here. Whenever I attempt to watch tv, it says "all avaiable inputs in use, to watch live tv, delete the in-progress recording"... Anyone have any ideas?

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Cardoe:

how many inputs do you have?

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MindHack:

one tuner

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Cardoe:

is it setup?

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MindHack:

in mythtv-setup, yeah. double checking now

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|daver|:

great now my box locks up going into X

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|daver|:

hwo great

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timmy334:

ok, I've installed 0.20 on Gentoo and Fedora Core 5 and still have the same problem: starting livetv goes to black screen and then back to main menu. It is starting livetv and creating a .nuv, but it dies. I am at a loss. please help!

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** Anduin remembers trying to help, giving up this time **

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timmy334:

the pvr-150 and pvr-250 work because they worked with MPlayer

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MindHack:

Cardoe: do you know if anyone is working on a minimalist frontend? Perhaps a wrapper for mplayer or something?

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timmy334:

Anduin, the logs don't say anything meaningful except livetv doesn't start

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MindHack:

ah, theres a channel scanner in here, never saw that before. New feature?

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Anduin:

timmy334: lies

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timmy334:

:-P

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Dagmar:

Since when do the PVR-xxx cards result in nupplevideo being recorded?

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MindHack:

timmy334: you on gentoo now?

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Cardoe:

MindHack: I wish

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Anduin:

Dagmar: When you select the wrong card type

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Anduin:

(or run an old version)

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Dagmar:

Anduin: Probably so

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Dagmar:

*Perhaps* he should look into correctly configuring the system

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timmy334:

no, I thought that I might've foobard something so I went to fedora since it worked flawlessly before... but that was on 0.18

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MindHack:

Cardoe: guess I'll get back to work on mine then :) If only my profs would stop giving me homework :P

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Anduin:

timmy334: run the backend with -v all,nodatabase pastebin the log while it fails

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Anduin:

timmy334: Or do as Dagmar said and make sure you have the right card type selected

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timmy334:

what is the correct type for a pvr-150/250?

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Anduin:

timmy334: What do you have it set to?

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timmy334:

i've tried it on mjpeg, but that kept giving me an error saying card0 was starting on channel 2 which doesn't exist, and I tried the analog v4l, but still black screen problem

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timmy334:

i can't remember what I set it to last time when I had it working

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Anduin:

timmy334: Yeah, so far both are wrong.

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MindHack:

isn't there a pvr x50 option in there?

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timmy334:

not anymore

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Cardoe:

analog v4l is wrong afaik

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timmy334:

ok, so what is correct?

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Cardoe:

there's a pvr x50 option..

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MindHack:

man, the crap we'll go through to sit in front of the tube

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Anduin:

But that is in parens, doesn't that mean you are not supposed to read it?

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MindHack:

wahoo, I have tv again.

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MindHack:

thanks all

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RyeBrye3:

do you think that Zap2it will eventually charge for their data direct service?

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MindHack:

RyeBrye3: shhhh...... :)

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RyeBrye3:

I was just wondering because of how it continually reminds me when my "subscription" expires...

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RyeBrye3:

and a feature like that seems to only be necessary if they are planning to eventually make those subscription periods... well... actually mean something

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Captain_Murdoch:

RyeBrye3: maybe they do it so you'll give them valuable market data by way of their surveys every 3 months. :)

[04:39:32]

RyeBrye3:

Oh, true

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RyeBrye3:

I forgot about that survey

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MindHack:

RyeBrye3: I fear it may be developing sentience

[04:40:03]

RyeBrye3:

I guess that might make sense... They can sell that market data to people...

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** RyeBrye3 hopes Google buys them out if they ever plan on doing that... **

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Anduin:

I'd much rather pay them.

[04:41:44]

RyeBrye3:

Maybe that rich guy who is pouring money into Ubuntu could buy them out or something... but it seems that one day some prick MBA graduate will ride in on a high horse and say "My economics professor taught me we must charge the optimal price.. which in this case is not free..."

[04:41:45]

Beirdo:

heh

[04:41:57]

Beirdo:

this last "survey" was easy

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Beirdo:

"Just click submit"

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Beirdo:

OK...

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MindHack:

Im wondering if such a project could be done in opensource fashion

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Captain_Murdoch:

wonder how many support emails they got over it though... :)

[04:42:22]

MindHack:

where does this data come from really?

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Beirdo:

they get the data from the networks

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RyeBrye3:

That's true – and who owns the data in its original format?

[04:42:48]

MindHack:

do the networks sell it to them

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Beirdo:

they being Tribune Media Services, who do also the TV Guide and many other things with the data IIRC

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RyeBrye3:

It would SEEM to me that it is in the best interest of the networks to pump out their guide data to people – its free advertising for their programs

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MindHack:

exactly what I was thinking

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Beirdo:

well, have fun talking with them to get the data for use with software that they don't like :)

[04:44:26]

RyeBrye3:

Except – when they are advertising to people who have an "Automatic Commercial Flagging" built into their DVR's... they might not enjoy it...

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MindHack:

Beirdo: who, the networks?

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RyeBrye3:

I dont' think networks like Myth

[04:44:48]

Beirdo:

yeah, the networks

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MindHack:

shame

[04:45:05]

MindHack:

they'll defeat us eventually

[04:45:10]

Beirdo:

my subscription is extended to Christmas Day

[04:45:11]

Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

nice

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RyeBrye3:

Mine goes until the 31st I think

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RyeBrye3:

(of dec)

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MindHack:

if you have torrent access, look for a lecture called "piracy is good?", its a good discussion on these kinds of matters

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Beirdo:

anyways, I think I'll go to bed. I just finished setting up 4 different versions of mysql on 4 separate vservers to test the bot against

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MindHack:

I got an xmas extension too, how convenient

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Beirdo:

that's 3 months from now

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Beirdo:

that's why

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MindHack:

yeah yeah, I know

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RyeBrye3:

Oh wait – I'm done on the 21st not the 25th

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

anyways, bed.

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MindHack:

have a good one Beirdo

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RyeBrye3:

cya

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RyeBrye3:

Where does windows media center pull their guide data from?

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MindHack:

another good question

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MindHack:

hmm, maybe the networks have a deal directly with microsoft?

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RyeBrye3:

... anyone know who http://docs.tms.tribune.com/tech/tmsdatadirec . . . _letter.html is talking about using their data commercially?

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MindHack:

should it happen. Id give it 6 months before there is some open database, somehow

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RyeBrye3:

True

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MindHack:

if people have to collaborate and manually type in listings each week from their newspaper, it would happen I would think

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MindHack:

or, what I think is better

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Ediehow:

HELP

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Ediehow:

for like 8 hours now

[04:52:46]

Ediehow:

"mythtv is already using all available inputs for the channel you selected."

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Ediehow:

what is it talking about? i'm not recording anything!

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MindHack:

someone pulls data from datadirect, donates a server to the "cause", and hosts that data for everyone else, so zap2it thinks nothing of it

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MindHack:

Ediehow: I just fixed that an hour ago

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RyeBrye3:

I'm sure that would violate something from their license though

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Ediehow:

what do i do?

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MindHack:

go into mythtv-setup, go into the video sources menu, click on the tuner, scan

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MindHack:

before, stop backend, after, restart it

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MindHack:

RyeBrye3: we dont need no stinking license! :)

[04:54:29]

RyeBrye3:

Pirating TV guide data :)

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MindHack:

who would know its there data anyways :P

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MindHack:

their*

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RyeBrye3:

True

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Ediehow:

you mean

[04:54:40]

Ediehow:

'"retrieve lineups?"

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MindHack:

nah, that fetches data from the web

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Ediehow:

so you mean input connections

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MindHack:

on the main menu, I think its "video sources"

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Ediehow:

errr

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MindHack:

yeah

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MindHack:

might be that

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Ediehow:

it says scanning

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Ediehow:

but i see nothing

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MindHack:

got the video modules loaded?

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RyeBrye3:

Well... I highly doubt they will ever charge $17 a month for it... which is what TiVo charges for their guide data and rights-of-useage...

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MindHack:

man, 17 is sick

[04:56:11]

Ediehow:

i dont think anything is different than before

[04:56:13]

Ediehow:

this started earlier today

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MindHack:

my dad got a lifetime subscription, good deal I suppose

[04:56:23]

Ediehow:

ivtv 181392 0

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Ediehow:

i2c_algo_bit 12873 1 ivtv

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Ediehow:

v4l1_compat 16453 1 ivtv

[04:56:23]

Ediehow:

tveeprom 18641 1 ivtv

[04:56:23]

Ediehow:

videodev 13633 2 spca5xx,ivtv

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Ediehow:

i2c_core 26305 8 wm8775,cx25840,tda9887,tuner,ivtv,i2c_algo_bit,tveeprom,i2c_i801

[04:56:43]

MindHack:

Ediehow: oh, this isn't a new setup? I dont know what could be it then.

[04:56:54]

Ediehow:

what in the WORLD Is going on

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MindHack:

Ediehow: do any recent upgrades?

[04:57:02]

Ediehow:

ohhh

[04:57:05]

Ediehow:

it's back to /dev/video0

[04:57:17]

Ediehow:

i wonder why

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Ediehow:

this stinks

[04:58:02]

Ediehow:

i can't simply change the capture card /dev/video1 to /dev/video0

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MindHack:

what kind of hardware is it?

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Ediehow:

nm, i got it

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Ediehow:

pvr 150

[05:00:15]

Ediehow:

hey anyone have a usb blaster?

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FarrisG:

Any help at all finding this gl.h header? Surely someone here has compiled on an Ubuntu system?

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RyeBrye3:

http://www.irblaster.info/receiver.html this guy's stuff any good?

[05:03:00]

RyeBrye3:

I'm thinking I want one with a cable, but I'm not sure

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Ediehow:

mind, help me

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MindHack:

Ediehow: just ask

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Ediehow:

i did full scan

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Ediehow:

and it seems to add a bunch of channels

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MindHack:

sure

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Ediehow:

then it doens't seem to complete

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MindHack:

maybe it did. Try tabbing down to the finish button

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Ediehow:

dude, i do not GET this

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Ediehow:

ever since a few weeks ago

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Ediehow:

(i have myth on 2nd display)

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Ediehow:

the mouse stops once it hits the display if using mythfrontend or mythtv

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MindHack:

it doesn't stop, it dissapears, yes?

[05:08:39]

MindHack:

you can disable that in the setup menu I think

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Ediehow:

no, it; sticks

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MindHack:

so the cursor stays visble

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MindHack:

you sure?

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RyeBrye3:

Whoa – anyone know if this works with LIRC? http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info. . . . _code=336436

[05:08:54]

Ediehow:

ok, so it added those chnanels

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Ediehow:

err let's see

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mishehu:

oh thank gawd 0.20 fixed the lose of upcoming recordings bug.

[05:10:16]

Ediehow:

i really need a usb blaster that works in linux

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Ediehow:

i can't find out an answer anywhere about it

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MindHack:

anyone know why the channel names would all be "Adding Channel n" where n is some integer?

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MindHack:

from scanning perhaps? How do I get mythfilldatabase to populate the lineup info correctly?

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MindHack:

callsigns too

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Ediehow:

er mindhack

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Ediehow:

all the things are screwed up

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Ediehow:

the show it says is on is not on

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MindHack:

run mythfilldatabase recently?

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Ediehow:

i just ran it

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MindHack:

hmm

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Ediehow:

it says stuff like

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Ediehow:

"adding ludacris live!" when i put it on the news

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MindHack:

looks like you and I may be having similar problems

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Ediehow:

it says "adding such and such"

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gentoo-user7184:

I have been having problems withmy mythbackend running at 100% cpu all the time.

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Ediehow:

shoot, all my recordings are going to go bogus

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gentoo-user7184:

http://rafb.net/paste/results/6Iu26C28.html shows mythbackend -v all

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gentoo-user7184:

frontend is close and there are now jobs waiting to be completed in job queue

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MindHack:

Ediehow: mine too :) Ah well, I'll pester people about that issue tomorrow. Could be a new bug or a common mistake

[05:14:26]

Ediehow:

that blows, i missed the a-team today

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gentoo-user7184:

have been trying to solve problem for 3 days now

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Ediehow:

MindHack: i see part of the problem

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achew22:

is there a way to tell make to use a specific QT folder? or do I have to unemerge QT4 to compile mythtv?

[05:15:21]

gentoo-user7184:

Honk^Gone you still around in there?

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Ediehow:

when i tell it to scan for channels

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Ediehow:

all it finds is

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Ediehow:

"adding channel cox 11"

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Ediehow:

"adding channel cox 12"

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MindHack:

achew22: I think it requires qt-3

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MindHack:

achew22: Im no authority though

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Ediehow:

MindHack:

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Ediehow:

when i turn the channel, every channel is called "adding"

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achew22:

MindHack, I'm aware — I emerged qt3 and its installed, I just need to tell it to use those headers

[05:16:17]

MindHack:

Ediehow: I know. I had noticed that its the same message that the scanner gives

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MindHack:

achew22: you on gentoo?

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achew22:

MindHack, yes

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MindHack:

achew22: try echo $QMAKESPEC

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gentoo-user7184:

I have been having problems withmy mythbackend running at 100% cpu all the time.

[05:17:39]

gentoo-user7184:

http://rafb.net/paste/results/6Iu26C28.html shows mythbackend -v all

[05:17:45]

gentoo-user7184:

frontend is close and there are now jobs waiting to be completed in job queue

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achew22:

MindHack, it says "linux-g++"

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MindHack:

gentoo-user7184: don't repost the same question. If we had an answer for you, we would have given it

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MindHack:

achew22: hmm,I think that is correct. So is the ebuild failing on you?

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MindHack:

achew22: for me, I had to change that variable to make it work

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achew22:

MindHack, the ebuild is .19 and i'm doing a SVN build

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Ediehow:

MindHack: it's like this started yesterday

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Ediehow:

or something

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** RyeBrye3 thinks it is funny that UPS ground from CA -> UT would take two days... but UPS "3-day select" takes 3 **

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achew22:

MindHack, I synced yesterday so I don't think its a lag in my portage tree thats preventing me from seeing .20

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MindHack:

achew22: unmask it?

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achew22:

its masked?

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achew22:

.20 is masked?

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MindHack:

it was for me, Im on amd64 though

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achew22:

ahh

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achew22:

that could do it, i'm going to sync again and see what happens

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MindHack:

the release wasn't too long ago though

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MindHack:

Ediehow: my lineups are all crap it seems

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achew22:

is it based off of the svn base cause thats what I compiled on my ubuntu box without problem

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gentoo-user7184:

sorry long couple of days trying to solve the problem

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MindHack:

gentoo-user7184: its all good

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MindHack:

weird problem indeed

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achew22:

sorry — release-0-20-fixes

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gentoo-user7184:

may have to do with me running .20

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achew22:

gentoo-user7184, have you read all threads in the newsletter on 100% cpu usage?

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gentoo-user7184:

the newsletter??

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gentoo-user7184:

what is that?

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achew22:

one sec.

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MindHack:

100 cpu for me is only when frontend is running....not that that is good either :P

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achew22:

gentoo-user7184, http://www.mythtv.org/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users/

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achew22:

that list

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MindHack:

hang in there dudes, night all

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achew22:

night MindHack

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gentoo-user7184:

Yea i get 100 all the time now

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achew22:

gentoo-user7184, http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/

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achew22:

there you go

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gentoo-user7184:

i can restart the backend and it fine for about 15 minutes

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achew22:

there is a vast ammount of info in there

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achew22:

it may take you a little while to sift through but i'm fairly sure your answer will be in there

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gentoo-user7184:

ya

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gentoo-user7184:

It will only in september so

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gentoo-user7184:

i think it has to be in my configuration somewhere

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gentoo-user7184:

what does it mean when i go to emerge mythtv -ivtv%* is yellow?

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jblack:

I'm sure I'm going insane here, but are the sliders for recording quality backwards?

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Anduin:

jblack: No

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jblack:

Ok. Can you help me grok this then?

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jblack:

If I set minimum and maximum quality very high, I get a very blocky picture, but very low bandwidth.

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claybo:

Hey everyone. I'm having speed issues with 0.20. 0.19 was able to play back HDTV signals just fine with plenty of CPU to spare, but now, with the exact same machine, 0.20 skips and uses 100% CPU. I saw someone with the same complaint on the mailing list, and some said this problem was fixed by compiling from source, but this didn't fix anything for me. Any suggestions?

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jblack:

If I set them both very low, I get the converse.

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Anduin:

jblack: real numbers, then your card type

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jblack:

ok. I have a bt848. A wintv from years ago.

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gentoo-user7184:

my backend runs at 100 percent all the time

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Anduin:

jblack: What is your CPU utilization at very high bitrates?

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gentoo-user7184:

and i am trying to remember is -ivtv%* is yellow in gentoo what it means

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jblack:

With a width+height of 320x320, a maximum of 21 and minimum of 31, I see about 54KB/sec and blocky pictures

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jblack:

With the same width+height, with a maximum of 0 and minimum of 1, I get a flawless picture, but a rate of about 1.4 megabytes/sec.

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jblack:

The bandwidth measurements are with xnetload, btw.

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Anduin:

jblack: and inbetween? and CPU use?

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jblack:

On the server, or the client?

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jblack:

With the latter numbers the client shows a cpu usage of 49% and on the server of 99%.

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Anduin:

jblack: That backend of course

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Anduin:

Yeah, 99% would be it trying way too hard

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jblack:

Yeah.

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Anduin:

jblack: is it a quality slider or a bitrate one?

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jblack:

I have both a bitrate slider and a quality slider. The bitrate slider seems backwards to me too.

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Paladine:

1400Kb/s for a bt848 sounds like a miracle to me lol

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jblack:

Flawless wasn't quite the right word. There's plenty of blocking.

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Anduin:

jblack: Yeah some of the quality sliders are "backwards" I believe, the bit rate, well if you go above reason you won't be able to encode fast enough.

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jblack:

Whether its' the bt848, the 802.11g or the cpu... they're probably all maxed.

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jblack:

I noticed that when I set up a wider spread, the bitrate over the network goes down as I pick a higher number, and the converse as well.

[05:58:47]

jblack:

I just get the feeling that left is right, and right is left.

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jblack:

I'll set min and max to 14 and try bitrate at 100 and 8000, on a 320x320 with scale bitrate on

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gentoo-user7184:

I get my mythbackend running at 99% cpu usage all the time

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gentoo-user7184:

whether its doing something or not

[06:00:06]

Anduin:

jblack: It will start throwing data to keep up if it is taking too long to encode

[06:00:27]

Anduin:

gentoo-user7184: Yeah, not normal.

[06:00:48]

Anduin:

jblack: The hardware encoder cards are nice.

[06:00:56]

gentoo-user7184:

yea i know

[06:01:11]

gentoo-user7184:

http://rafb.net/paste/results/6Iu26C28.html shows mythbackend -v all

[06:01:15]

jblack:

Ok, with a bitrate of 8000, I'm using about 60–100KB/sec. its fluctuating a bit.

[06:01:47]

gentoo-user7184:

the job queue is empty and the frontend is close.. server and client run on same machine

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jblack:

with a bitrate of 100, its bouncing around 55kB a sec.

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gentoo-user7184:

i ahve a pvr 150 hardware encode

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jblack:

Ok. So maybe that slider is right.

[06:02:48]

jblack:

The cpu on the backend can barely keep up with that though

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gentoo-user7184:

i am running an AMD 64 3200

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gentoo-user7184:

Auduin any suggestions?

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jblack:

Ok. Now, if I set maximum quality from 14 to 31, I should use more bandwidth, right?

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Anduin:

gentoo-user7184: Not a lot of useful info there, better to gdb and thread apply all bt so you can see what is running

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Anduin:

jblack: I believe quality it reversed

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jblack:

In the ui, or in my understanding?

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gentoo-user7184:

gdb? thread?

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Anduin:

jblack: In the ui, though it has been years since I've used one of those cards.

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jblack:

Ok. That matches my experience.

[06:06:37]

Paladine:

be nice if there was a shoutcast/icecast addon for mythmusic

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Anduin:

jblack: I think the help text gives and indication

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Paladine:

www.mythtv.org down?

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Anduin:

Paladine: moving servers

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Paladine:

ah right

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Paladine:

where they relocating to?

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Paladine:

anduin, you know if there is a brushed metal theme for mythfrontend?

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Anduin:

Paladine: osu

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Paladine:

ooo me tries it

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Anduin:

Paladine: I do not, I don't use themes that aren't in svn

[06:19:15]

Paladine:

oh I only have 2 themes

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Paladine:

blue and G.A.N.T

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quicksilver:

There isn't a brushed metal theme in myth-themes

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quicksilver:

unless my memory fails me totally

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Anduin:

Paladine: There are more in there, those are the very base ones.

[06:20:40]

Hoxzer:

hmm... maybe I should buy second dvb-c card with card reader

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Anduin:

Paladine: Juski has a theme that is either gray or a Project Gotham rip-off (or both), yeah, not metal. Complex pictures don't come out well on many old TVs.

[06:22:49]

Paladine:

I just added the svn themes

[06:22:53]

Paladine:

I hadn't built them

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Anduin:

I like MythCenter, it is blue like blue but without the roundness

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hads:

I think that's what I'm using too.

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Paladine:

whats QT Style do?

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Hoxzer:

:D guess was my mother angry when she was on teli and I had set box clock wrong

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Hoxzer:

it just and just skipped her

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Hoxzer:

well luckily I found repetion

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Paladine:

wish I could change the font size in the plugins

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Anduin:

Paladine: It controls the Qt widget style (which does less and less over the years)

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Paladine:

the font in mythmusic is huge

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Anduin:

Paladine: You can change them in the theme files (annoying to maintain though)

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Paladine:

you wouldn't happen to know which files and where they are located would you?

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Paladine:

cos the font size is making text overlap other text and it is annoying

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WAR_CH|LD:

can anyone thing of a reason why, when my computer now boots up and xwindows is starting at a point the screen just goes blank/black for no reason. as if powersavig is on or something and then when I hit a key/move the mouse it's fine.... hwo cna I stop it going blank in the first place?

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Anduin:

Paladine: depends, music-ui.xml is probably a good place to start (though a particular theme can do anything)

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Paladine:

thanksI will check it out

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Juski:

Paladine: maybe you should email the theme's creator when you find a font size that works better

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Dagmar:

WAR_CH|LD: I can think of a reason. Something, probably your ntpd setup, is jumping your clock forward by a few minutes.

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Paladine:

thats so much better

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Paladine:

I set them all to 10

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Paladine:

and now nothing overlaps :)

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Juski:

Paladine: was that in /usr/share/mythtv/themes or in the theme dir itself? (e.g. retro) ?

[06:44:13]

Juski:

though 10pt text is terribly small... you sure X is running at 100DPI ?

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Paladine:

it was in /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes/default/music-ui.xml

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Paladine:

where do I check DPI?

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Juski:

xdpyinfo |grep dots

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Paladine:

75x75

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simcop2387:

Dagmar: i had a similar problem once with a game that used the clock to do physics between frames, and ntpd threw my clock ahead 30 min, it sat there for 10 doing all the logic and physics for 30min worth of gaming and i won, somehow

[06:45:54]

Juski:

how come some PC clocks run so out of kilter?

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Paladine:

Juski, how do I change that? and will it be safe on my crt monitors?

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simcop2387:

Juski: i dunno, i never figured that out

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simcop2387:

i say shoddy manufacturing

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Juski:

Paladine: DISPLAYSIZE in your xorg.conf

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Paladine:

which section does that go in, I don't have displaysize anywhere in my xorg.conf

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Juski:

simcop2387: maybe using too cheap a xtal for the RTC oscillator, I figured... even cheap digital watches don't lose as much time as some motherboards do though

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Juski:

Paladine: google is your friend ;)

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Juski:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Display_Size

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Juski:

ooh look.. 1st hit :)

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Anduin:

Yeah, if your DPI is off that would explain it, 10 is way too small for actually seeing on a TV

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simcop2387:

Juski: yea thats pretty much what i suspect, could also be architechtural, i think the system clock is supposed to be updated via hardware interrupts generated by the hardware clock, and when an interrupt or two gets missed or unnoticed due to other issues it gets off kilter

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Paladine:

I dont use a tv

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Juski:

so don't use mythmusic then.. use amarok ;-)

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Paladine:

no I like mythmusic

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Juski:

hold the front page!

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Juski:

;-)

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simcop2387:

"Xft.dpi:96

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simcop2387:

" in .Xdefaults is what i use to force the dpi to a specific spi

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simcop2387:

dpi*

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simcop2387:

probably not the best way though

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** Juski notices the topic & chuckles **

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Juski:

damn you people who round off significant zeroes!

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Paladine:

DisplaySize 100x100 <- in the monitor section?

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Juski:

Paladine: did you read that wiki entry or not?

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Anduin:

Juski: It is only significant to crazy software people

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Paladine:

mythtv.org is down

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Anduin:

100mmx100mm

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Juski:

Paladine: no it aint

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Paladine:

it is for me

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Anduin:

It just returned

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Paladine:

dns is not refreshed yet

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Juski:

Anduin: that must make me a crazy software person then...

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Paladine:

DISPLAYSIZE or DisplaySize cos from what I can see DisplaySize is supposed to be set to the physical size of your screen

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Juski:

hell even the release numbering scheme confuses users, what hope do they have? ;-)

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Juski:

Paladine: that's how X knows how big your screen is, so judging by the resolution you have it can work out the DPI

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Dagmar:

Paladine: It's in the Wiki

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Paladine:

I can't access the wiki for the 3rd time :p

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Dagmar:

Paladine: We can't help your shortcomings. The thing is up

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Dagmar:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Display_Size

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Juski:

http://pastebin.ca/182641

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Juski:

^^ for you Paladine :)

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Paladine:

thanks juski

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Paladine:

Dagmar, I can't connect to anything on mythtv.org atm

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Paladine:

my dns hasn't updated

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Juski:

now I'm a proxy... pfft

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Dagmar:

Juski: Could be worse. You could be a tool.

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Juski:

lol

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** simcop2387 writes a small shell script to replace Juski **

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Juski:

I'm deprecated.. news of that reached me yesterday

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Paladine:

Juski, can you pastebin the relevant FAQ section for Nvidia drivers as well please?

[07:01:49]

Juski:

spose so

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Paladine:

See also the FAQ for more details and for information about setting DPI when using NVIDIA drivers.

[07:04:17]

Juski:

http://pastebin.ca/182642

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Paladine:

thanks

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Paladine:

I guess things will look different when I get round to restarting Xorg hehe

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Paladine:

haven't restarted X in 10 days

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Paladine:

I should reboot soon so i can connect my ir blaster too

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Paladine:

time for coffee

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Dagmar:

Paladine: The short form is that there are other options that can be used that don't require the ability to do simple math. The DisplaySize argument still works regardless what version of the nVidia drivers are installed

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Qwell:

I need a logic check.

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Qwell:

If I connect a cable box to myth, and I have like video on demand (or some other interactive menu on one channel), would myth not be able to handle that properly?

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xris:

Qwell: won't work, no

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Qwell:

okay, I wasn't thinking so

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xris:

unless you were just using svideo or composite, and controlling the cable box with its own remote.

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Qwell:

That'd probably end up meaning two remotes, which...meh

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rage-:

how do I specify the qt include dir to myth when I'm trying to compile?

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xris:

but you can't do interactive stuff over firewire or anything like that.

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xris:

rage-: generally, it detects it

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Qwell:

xris: over firewire?

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xris:

but I think it still honors QTDIR

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xris:

Qwell: are you in the US?

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rage-:

well its erroring out on me

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Paladine:

Dagmar, I have gone the recommended method for NVidia, but I already figured out the other method (406x305)

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Qwell:

I am

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rage-:

and it's looking at qt4 stuff

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xris:

Qwell: high def digital cable/

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xris:

?

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Paladine:

bbiab I am making breakfast for the missus

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Qwell:

no

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xris:

Qwell: ah. well, if you rent a high def box ($5/month extra for me), you can just plug a firewire cable straight into the box and get the pure digital stream

[07:29:13]

Qwell:

neat, and myth can decode that, or?

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xris:

nothing to decode.

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xris:

well, if you have a good cable company, it's not encrypted.

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Qwell:

oh

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xris:

if it's encrypted, you're SOL, but they're at least supposed to provide the OTA stuff in the clear (by law)

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dorel__:

im currently running version 0.19.20060121–2, which is the old one, pre-fixed right?

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Qwell:

pre-fixed?

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Qwell:

nm, bed

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Qwell:

xris: thanks again

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dorel__:

err, i meant its the pre-fixes version. cause i remember there's an 0.19 and 0.19-fixes version

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dorel__:

nm, im gonna get the newest svn

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xris:

dorel__: depends on what you're talking about.

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xris:

if you installed a package, it might have some of the fixes, but that date looks prety old

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dorel__:

ok thanks

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dorel__:

im on debian unstable so i figured i'd just upgrade all mythtv with the packages on debian-multimedia, those would be the latest i believe

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jblack:

Is there any companies out there that are providing service to mythtv boxes yet?

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Dagmar:

huh?

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jblack:

I was just wondering if there's any services out there that one can use for streaming.

[08:03:19]

jblack:

Apparently there's a french isp that does it. I was wondering if there's something american.

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Dagmar:

What service is there to give tho

[08:04:29]

jblack:

TV shows.

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Dagmar:

Cable TV doesn't exactly need to be specific to a PVR

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jblack:

My cable company is bad. Really bad. Directv is awkward to hook up. I was just kinda hoping that there were some sort of internet based cable-company like thing.

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rage-:

I'm trying to compile myth-0.20 but it's using qmake from m qt4 install

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rage-:

I have qmake from qt3 in /usr/qt/3/bin/

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rage-:

how do I make it compile with that copy of qmake?

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rage-:

er, I got that part

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rage-:

but its still including the qt4 libraries when its compiling

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rage-:

-I/usr/include/qt4 that's getting displayed as it compiles

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Juski:

whoops.

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rage-:

noone? :o

[09:12:53]

rp201:

good morning (here)

[09:13:17]

rp201:

anyone got a minute to answer some noobie questions

[09:14:37]

quicksilver:

the traditional IRC maxim is: don't ask to ask, just ask.

[09:15:00]

Dagmar:

If we're too busy or the question is too dumb, don't worry... we'll ignore you just fine.

[09:15:01]

Dagmar:

;)

[09:15:22]

Dibblah:

Now, now. There are no stupid questions.

[09:15:25]

jblack:

I seem to have screwed up. I changed the recording group of a show from "Default" to "LiveTV". Its disapeared. I think that means that Media library has filtering of some sort.

[09:15:38]

jblack:

How do I change the filter?

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Dagmar:

Dibblah: Yes... yes there are, but usually stupid people get all the blame for them

[09:15:56]

Dibblah:

Setup / TV settings.

[09:16:09]

Dibblah:

"Show live TV recordings in all programs", I think.

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jblack:

THanks

[09:16:39]

Dibblah:

Or change the group filter to "Live TV"

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Dibblah:

(Menu button)

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** Paladine waits and waits and waits for the datacenter to replace his failed hard drive **

[09:17:17]

Paladine:

"It will take about an hour"

[09:17:24]

Paladine:

that was almost 7 hours ago

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rp201:

does one have to go through a specific linux install or is there a bootable cd with a kernel and drivers already to go. (user only has to build sql db)

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Paladine:

knoppmyth

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Paladine:

I think

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Juski:

blech. was there an autoexpire bug in 0.19-fixes? I have errors in my backend log about a failure to autoexpire a recording that's already been deleted

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Juski:

ahh maybe it was restoring my db the other day that did it... :)

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caitlin:

yo

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caitlin:

i've done some google wading, but before beating my face into the ground on a silly issue. is it NOT possible to listen to dvb-t radio through mythtv using a nova-t card?

[10:41:00]

caitlin:

oh, version 0.2 of myth

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quicksilver:

I'd be surprised if that was not possible

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Merlin83b:

Erm, 0.20 caitlin.

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Merlin83b:

Big difference :)

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quicksilver:

AFAIUI DVB radio is just a TV channel with no picture, as it were

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quicksilver:

I can certainly listen to them on my ComproMATE

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caitlin:

Merlin83b, only in error margin

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quicksilver:

nope

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quicksilver:

that's not how version numbers work, caitlin

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Merlin83b:

No, this is a version number not just a number. 0.2 and 0.20 are vastly different.

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quicksilver:

0.20 is nought point twenty

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caitlin:

i'm not infront of my box atm, just researching

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quicksilver:

which is on version after nought point nineteen

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caitlin:

oh, i didn't know that </thick>

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quicksilver:

and 18 versions after nought point two

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Merlin83b:

So as you see, big difference :)

[10:43:23]

caitlin:

yup

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caitlin:

damn engineers doing it different

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quicksilver:

:)

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quicksilver:

the reason is, there is no particular reason why 1.0 should follow 0.9

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Dagmar:

Yes. We know that version identifiers are concatenated into a string.

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quicksilver:

if the app still isn't finished, you want another 0.x

[10:43:54]

Dagmar:

They are not a number.

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quicksilver:

so you go from 0.9 to 0.10

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jblack:

There's a very good reason.

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quicksilver:

and you get to 1.0 when you're ready, damn it

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quicksilver:

:)

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Merlin83b:

quicksilver: Or never ;)

[10:44:12]

jblack:

A very practical, pragmatic one.

[10:44:17]

caitlin:

i have a feeling myth will never be "ready" :P

[10:44:38]

jblack:

dunno.. dosemu hit 1.0. Wine is close. :)

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caitlin:

windows is like v 0.00000007653654 then

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** Merlin83b points at ethereal. 0.99.0 now. **

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Spida:

is anybody here using mythtv on 2.6.18 with ivtv?

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Juski:

caitlin: dvb radio work-eth in 0.20, fer shire ;-)

[11:03:32]

caitlin:

awesome

[11:03:41]

caitlin:

verily, it shall be prodded till it works for me

[11:03:47]

caitlin:

my gf has been nagging about it :P

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Juski:

when you use it (or watch a recording of it) you get the nice mheg screen stuff too, station logo & gear

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caitlin:

cool

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kavorka^:

hi can someone tell me if 0.20 fixes the the issue with osd being greyscale when xvmc is enabled?

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Dagmar:

Nope

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kavorka^:

bugger

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kavorka^:

are there any workarounds? still using 0.19 here

[11:12:02]

Juski:

no colorkey OSD in 0.20?

[11:12:30]

Juski:

I find that hard to believe

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Juski:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC#Gre . . . a_4_.26_5.29

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Merlin83b:

colorkey works fine under 0.20 for me.

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Juski:

like I said.. ;-)

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kavorka^:

what do u mean by 'colorkey'?

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Juski:

kavorka^: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC#Gre . . . a_4_.26_5.29

[11:15:08]

Juski:

one more time for luck

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Juski:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC#Gre . . . a_4_.26_5.29

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kavorka^:

cheers

[11:15:43]

Dagmar:

Ah... I was about to link Kristansson's page

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Juski:

time for a schmerk before I take someone's head off

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kavorka^:

unfortunately i have a 6xxx series card so that hack wont help me

[11:18:08]

Dagmar:

Well, looks like you might want to look into buying a 5200 then

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kavorka^:

nah thats cool....i just got xvmc working after a long struggle...greyscale is a small price to pay for having HD

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kavorka^:

im curious does 0.20 have the stuttering effect too when the osd appears?

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Dagmar:

Not on mine

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kavorka^:

thats good....looks ill be going to 0.20 this weekend then

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dorel__:

this is going to sound silly but... i think a good feature request is to make sound when entering/existing menus... it gives alot

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roam:

Is it possible to use a different engine to actually play the media with mythtv? I would like to use mplayer to decode TV and recordings. Mythtv is very slow and mplayer works well over nfs.

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GreyFoxx:

roam: Nope,

[11:27:52]

GreyFoxx:

You can use alternate play for mythvideo and mythdvd but not for livetv or recordings

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Dagmar:

Buy faster hardware

[11:28:17]

GreyFoxx:

Though technically you could makeit so mythvideo can reach the recordingfs and play them there with an alternate player :)

[11:29:25]

roam:

GreyFoxx: would mythvideo have information from the recordings data base?

[11:29:32]

GreyFoxx:

roam: Nope

[11:29:47]

roam:

Well, then my nfs setup is just as handy

[11:30:32]

roam:

Would it be hard to include it into a future next release?

[11:30:45]

roam:

(Or will mythtv get faster?)

[11:31:09]

GreyFoxx:

You will likely never see a "built in" method for playing livetv or recordings with another player

[11:31:40]

GreyFoxx:

As for faster,everything improves over time

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roam:

Why is that?

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GreyFoxx:

A: It's not needed, and B: at this point no alternateplayers understand how Myth does LiveTV or use the mythprotocol to talk to the backend

[11:32:35]

roam:

GreyFoxx: mythtv has become slower. It used to work for me but often doesn't since last mayor release.

[11:33:33]

GreyFoxx:

roam: If you are using a package you might be suffering from the sam problem as many. Lots of the packagers somehow disabled mmx when compiling their versions

[11:33:44]

roam:

But mythtv records live tv anyway and mplayer can play that. That's how I use it atm.

[11:34:08]

roam:

GreyFoxx: maybe. how can I figure it out?

[11:34:09]

GreyFoxx:

roam: Yeah, but it wouldn't be able to pass the program boundary. So when the "show"is over mplayer willstop

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GreyFoxx:

It's been mentioned a lot on the -users mailing list

[11:35:50]

GreyFoxx:

I think they were checking to see if someone was affected by using strings and grep on the libmythtv library and seeing if it referenced the mmx routines or not

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roam:

GreyFoxx: thanks, will check.

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pyrodex:

Ok I have a perfectly working mythtv install except for one problem, I can not see the menus in anything graphics related. I am able to record/play everything but I see no menus. I have a atrpms .20 install. any ideas?

[11:46:53]

Dagmar:

Update your _themes_

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pyrodex:

Is there a bug with the themes?

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pyrodex:

this was a fresh install with a fresh build

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Dagmar:

No, the 0.19 themes will not work with 0.20

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pyrodex:

mythtv-themes-0.20–138.fc5.at

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pyrodex:

thats what I got

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Dagmar:

So find who made that RPM and beat them until they tell you how to fix it

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pyrodex:

i could install the themes from CVS

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Dagmar:

The other thing that's "unbroken" menus so they'll appear again is disabling the OpenGL paint engine

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Dagmar:

I don't think that's the default, so it's not likely useful

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pyrodex:

hmm opengl paint is that one of the general or apperance options?

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Tommck_:

Can anyone in here help me figure out why my Zap2it TV listing downloads always timeout? mythfilldatabase just ran for 8 hours overnight and still didn't complete a single download...

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Dibblah:

Everyone.... Shhhh!

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Tommck:

haha

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tap:

drip

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tap:

drip

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tap:

drip

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Tommck:

gonorrhea?

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caitlin:

i'm disturbed by the ease with which you spelled that

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caitlin:

had it?

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Tommck:

haha.. no

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Tommck:

just a good speller I guess

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Dibblah:

Not something that comes up too often in spelling bees.

[12:21:26]

Tommck:

hehe.. true

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Dibblah:

Bless you!

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Tommck:

so... anyone having problems with Zap2it downloads?

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Dibblah:

I would love to be.

[12:22:37]

Dibblah:

But I have to use uk_rt :(

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Tommck:

:)

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Tommck:

well... I don't even have listings right now, so I don't think you'd like it

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Tommck:

mythfilldatabase ran for 8 hours and didn't get listings... nice huh?

[12:23:12]

Dibblah:

What's the error?

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Tommck:

timeouts

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janneg:

is the website available?

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Tommck:

yep

[12:24:05]

janneg:

can you login?

[12:24:09]

Tommck:

yep

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Tommck:

it starts the downloads...

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Tommck:

I'll get 3K or 15K or 21K or something... then it goes to 0K/second for a long time... then times out

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Tommck:

this is a new installation of my backend..

[12:25:00]

Tommck:

I had it running for 2 years before

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Tommck:

I am on a crappy Direcway satellite internet connection

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dorel__:

i've upgraded to 20 from debian packages but im still experiencing a whole lot of crashes... nothing in the log file, how can i track the crash?

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Krazylegz:

Tommck: Are you from MD?

[12:25:42]

Tommck:

Krazylegz – yeah

[12:25:58]

Tommck:

Krazylegz – how have you been? we haven't chatted in a long time

[12:26:07]

Krazylegz:

Yeah, I was wondering if that was you. I'll PM.

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Devn:

my livetv is in windowed mode, anyone remember where to set it fullscreen?

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ivor_:

Devn: under setup/appearance somewhere.

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Dagmar:

It's kinda sad that we could probably do these settings faster with a CLI...

[12:29:14]

Dagmar:

...from memory.

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** Tommck assumes the role of the Open Source Software Weenie... **

[12:29:47]

Tommck:

Dagmar – feel free to write a CLI :)

[12:29:54]

Dagmar:

mysql

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Dibblah:

I got depressed when I tried to get my GF to record a program. I need to look at adding a few defaults, I think :)

[12:31:01]

Dibblah:

Specifically, record before, record after, recgroup, keep at most, etc...

[12:31:27]

Dibblah:

Oh. And dup matching to description, since subtitle is rather unlikely with the RT grabber.

[12:31:50]

Devn:

yeah- I tried the setting use same size as gui/fullscreen button, but it has no effect. I still have a border when watching video. Can it be due to my WM? The rest of myth is fine fullscreen.

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Dibblah:

However, that'll be after the DIY is done :(

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Dibblah:

Who on earth got the idea that spamming trac servers makes for sales?

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ivor:

fucking annoying.

[12:38:59]

ivor:

going to have to finally implement countermeasures on my trac I guess.

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Dibblah:

What? Bigger version of http://www.iwantoneofthose.com/price-search/p . . . r/index.html

[12:43:20]

Dibblah:

Or the rocket launcher if it's longer range...

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** Tommck wishes Zap2it would allow resuming downloads **

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Beirdo:

muhahah.

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** Tommck looks at Beirdo funny **

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Beirdo:

So now I have a test instance of beirdobot running against each of MySQL 3.23, 4.0, 4.1, 5.0

[12:51:34]

Beirdo:

vservers are a great thing

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MindHack:

havent been around much lately, what are you writing?

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** Beirdo points at MythLogBot **

[12:52:35]

MindHack:

ah, gotcha

[12:53:01]

Beirdo:

got a report of a bug with MySQL 5.0, but as I don't use it yet, couldn't test my fixes

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Beirdo:

which worked, but in the future, would be good to test locally

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D-side:

i wonder wtf is wrong with me. :)

[12:53:59]

D-side:

i'm putting together this new server box and i'm just insane.

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Beirdo:

so I have a vserver running debian woody with 3.23, one running ubuntu breezy for 4.0, and two running ubuntu dapper for 4.1 and 5.0

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Beirdo:

and another with an IRC server, and another where I do development

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Beirdo:

all one one nice AMD64 box :)

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D-side:

heh. i've got dapper running on this server box.

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D-side:

with 0.20 on it, among many other things.

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Beirdo:

oh, my asterisk is in another vserver on that box too

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Beirdo:

heh

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D-side:

do you actually use it?

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Beirdo:

and a gallery2 instance, and trac...

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Beirdo:

yeah, I haven't for a wee bit, but it's there to use

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MindHack:

all of my channels look like "adding channel n" where n is the number. How do I get them to take on the names from zap2it?

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Beirdo:

once I finish building out the office, it will get used

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Beirdo:

and with all that crap running, only 504k into swap :)

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Beirdo:

27MB free RAM still (outta a gig)

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** Juski spends more company money **

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Merlin83b:

Always fun.

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MindHack:

hmm, educational access, 95–96 are named, weird

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Beirdo:

muhahahahahahah

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Beirdo:

I just considered what would happen if I enable the fart plugin on the test bots

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Tommck:

fart?

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D-side:

i'm sure it would be a gas.

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Beirdo:

if I type in fart, it does /me farts back at %s

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Beirdo:

where %s is the person who typed it

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Tommck:

ha

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Beirdo:

BUT, if all of them are doing it.... they will all start farting at each other uncontrollably

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Beirdo:

I put that plugin in as a way of testing the regular expression hooking

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Tommck:

ahh

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Beirdo:

thankfully, it's off on MythLogBot

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Beirdo:

and off on all but one of the test bots on my test server

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Beirdo:

it woulda been like a frat house after burrito night

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Dibblah:

Heh. Next thing ticket / changelog lookups? ;)

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MindHack:

put a few chatterbots in there, then you will have fun

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Beirdo:

yeah, that was next on the list, trac stuff

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Dibblah:

!ticket #1

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Beirdo:

at first, it should be able to give a URL to the ticket or changeset

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Beirdo:

I don't know how much trouble it would be to actually give a summary

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Dibblah:

!ticket search Tramidol

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Dibblah:

Etc...

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Dibblah:

;)

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Beirdo:

dunno, does trac give a hook for searching?

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** Dibblah doesn't run Trac. **

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Dibblah:

That's an implementation detail.

[13:05:04]

Beirdo:

hey look, it does

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Paladine:

hehe check what a friend just said in another channel

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Paladine:

<TeckTygr> note to self: www.manpages.com is NOT an online resource to get *nix man pages

[13:05:37]

Paladine:

thats a bashable quote if I ever saw one lol

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Beirdo:

hehehe

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D-side:

i'm not trying.

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Paladine:

mrz80 makes a note to firewall manpages.com on general princicples

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Paladine:

hehe

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Paladine:

it must be bad is techtygr was complaining he has one of the most disgusting minds on the internet lol

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Dibblah:

Just like 'boyzone.com' or something is not about the band.

[13:07:49]

Beirdo:

and, as I found out once at work... blacks.com is NOT Blacks Photography.

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Beirdo:

hit enter on the url, then alt-F4 repeatedly muttering "fuck, fuck, FUCK"

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Beirdo:

so I told my manager (who sat near me) about my amusing experience, and he promptly tried it too.

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Beirdo:

heh

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Esotericisms:

wow, what a great location to come into the channel's conversation (lol)

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Esotericisms:

morning everyone

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Beirdo:

aye, that it is

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Esotericisms:

its been a long time since I have hung around in here, how are you?

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Beirdo:

tired :) And married

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Esotericisms:

recently?

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Beirdo:

not that the two are directly connected

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Beirdo:

in May

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Esotericisms:

congrats! been married myself for 2.5 years now

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Esotericisms:

and they are directly connected :P

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Esotericisms:

in a good way I hope :P

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

yeah, something like that

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Beirdo:

that and a severe lack of caffeine

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Beirdo:

gotta go make me a pot

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pyrodex:

Anyone know how to enable XVMC Nvidia when using the .sh from nvidia?

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Ediehow:

help, myth channels are SCREWED

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Esotericisms:

?

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Esotericisms:

more specific?

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Puh:

after upgrading to 0.20? :)

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Ediehow:

ever since yesterday

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Ediehow:

no channel names, all called "adding"

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Ediehow:

and the lineups are screwed too

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Esotericisms:

Puh, known problem?

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Puh:

0.20 channel scanner is somehow hosed

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Paladine:

rescan required isn't it?

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Esotericisms:

guess I won't be upgrading then

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Puh:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/224531

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Puh:

Paladine, i tried upgrading and rescanning, neither worked properly

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Paladine:

I think if you go into myth-setup and select your card and ask it to rescan it fixes it iirc

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Esotericisms:

no need to screw up a working system just for mytharchive

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Puh:

i had to do some updates by hand and run dvbsnoop to figure out some parameters

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Ediehow:

what do i do?

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Ediehow:

it must be some myth update i just did

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Ediehow:

there have been several .20 updates

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Ediehow:

it started yesterday, i think

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Puh:

i don't have an exact recipe of how to fix things

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Puh:

i just know that there are issues with 0.20 and with dvb-c one must be prepared to do some heavy tuning

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Puh:

by hand i mean

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Ediehow:

not just .20

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Ediehow:

it HAD worked fine for a while

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Ediehow:

of course, this is the first time i scanned

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Ediehow:

but i had to because it had some error when trying to watch livetv

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Puh:

0.19 worked fine and 0.20 worked fine after upgrade other than it didn't receive any eit data -> after a week i ran out of eit data

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Puh:

which resulted major hassle trying to figure out what's wrong

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Puh:

some entries in the dtv_multiplex table were NULL or incorrect

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Ediehow:

ok, let me look in that table

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Puh:

after fixing them by hand to sane values and some shuffling with mythtv-setup channel scanner etc i got all working again

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Puh:

but it certainly didn't work out of the box

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Ediehow:

Table dtv_multiplex in database mythconverg

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Ediehow:

This table contains no data.

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Puh:

are you using digital or analog receiver?

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Ediehow:

pvr-150mce

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Puh:

an analog tuner card that spits out mpeg2 stream?

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Ediehow:

i guess so?

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Puh:

ok the problems i'm seeing are probably different from yours

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D-side:

thats analog.

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Ediehow:

my channels are ALL screwed up

[13:26:54]

Ediehow:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3755

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pyrodex:

Whats the benefits of xvmc?

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Ediehow:

any ideas?

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Esotericisms:

make

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Merlin83b:

pyrodex: If your hardware supports it, it takes load off the main processor.

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Ediehow:

does anyone have any ideas? what's the problem?

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Ediehow:

i can't get channels anymore

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Ediehow:

channel scan returns that all the channel names are "adding"

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pyrodex:

Merlin83b thanks

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pyrodex:

I think opengl vsync is my problem or maybe the painter thing

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kslater:

does the telnet interface for myth allow connections from other machines? (other than localhost)

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Ediehow:

in channel editor, there are no channel names

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Ediehow:

HELP!

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Merlin83b:

Yes, kslater.

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Ediehow:

oh COME ON

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Ediehow:

why is channel editor still listing bogus channel names!

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kslater:

my Palm TX has wifi and I think it would be cool to have a remote interface to Myth to allow changes without resorting to mythweb

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** Merlin83b summons Juski **

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kslater:

for times when the combo fe / be is in use

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Merlin83b:

Oh, perhaps Juski summoning isn't worth it...

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Ediehow:

what in the world happened to myth .20?

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Ediehow:

and why isn't there anything in the forums about a fix?

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Merlin83b:

To do what, kslater?

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Merlin83b:

Ediehow: 0.20 works for me.

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Ediehow:

Merlin83b: have you tried rescanning your channels?

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Merlin83b:

Ediehow: Not recently, no.

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Ediehow:

try it:)

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kslater:

look at the schedule, change a recodring, look at what's coming up, etc.

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Merlin83b:

Heh, not by your recommendation!

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Merlin83b:

Hang around for stuarta, Ediehow. He does a lot of the channel scanning stuff.

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Merlin83b:

kslater: Why wouldn't you want mythweb for that?

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kslater:

Merlin83b: I could use that, but the form factor of the Palm TX screen isn't conducive to displaying mythweb

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Merlin83b:

kslater: Use a different skin on mythweb :)

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kslater:

Yea, I suppose I should have a look at what's there first

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Merlin83b:

I have a very similar device (orange spv m600) and the other skin makes it great to use.

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Merlin83b:

It's pretty much exactly what you're talking about :)

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kslater:

does your orange do full web + javascript or does it use something less for browsing?

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kslater:

and what resolution does it have?

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kslater:

I only have either 320 x 480 or 480 x 320 to work with

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antiPosix:

when I press escape too many times and get the "Exit: Yes or no" screen. When I choose No there is a good 20–30 second delay before I'm back to the mythtv menu. I didnt have this delay with .19. Anyone else experiencing this?

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kslater:

I see that same delay regardless of how many times I've pressed escape. I think it's just startup time for the OpenGL menu transition stuff

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kslater:

just my guess though.

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pyrodex:

antiPosix I am too I just changed the paint back to QT and see if that helps myself

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pyrodex:

seems QT painter didn't help either

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GreyFoxx:

I pay $45CDN for 10Mbits/1.5Mbits

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GreyFoxx:

hehe wrong window ;)

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** Krazylegz stabs the Canuck **

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Ruleke:

hehe

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pyrodex:

Ok I just recompiled myth from scratch. Deleted all the themes and reinstalled and still get no menus with .20 I also have MS corefonts installed. Any ideas?

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pyrodex:

Painter is also set to QT

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Ruleke:

I pay 60 euros for 20mbit/512Kbit :(

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Beirdo:

blame Canada...

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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Krazylegz:

Yarr, they're both there.

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Beirdo:

so, GreyFoxx... my wife wanted to know why hockey players had so much padding...

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Beirdo:

hehe, just watch the game, honey, you'll see

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Beirdo:

it was fun watching hockey around a bunch of people who'd barely seen hockey before

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GreyFoxx:

heh "You play on a hard surface, and smash people into the ground and into the wall while hit around a hard frozen rubber object at high speed"

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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Beirdo:

after the first few body-checks, it became abundantly obvious

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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Beirdo:

then I told her "don't you want to play hockey against your boss?"

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** Beirdo waits for apt-get to finish upgrading his build vserver to breezy **

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Beirdo:

download faster, dammit!

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pyrodex:

Ok the menu finally comes up after a LONG pause...

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scopeuk:

Beirdo how longs it taking2 – 4 months?

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scopeuk:

slgihtly better than gento atleast you dont have to compile it after

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Beirdo:

nah, about 25min

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scopeuk:

then 6 hours debugging the errors it makes or is that jsut the a64 distro (/me hasent run apt-get update in a long time)

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antiPosix:

so no final solutions to the painting delay?

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D-side:

which one is breezy again?

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D-side:

5.10?

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D-side:

no that was hoary, no?

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pyrodex:

antiPosix i would like to know.

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Juski:

ppfft. hometime already :)

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scopeuk:

it came round htat quick your upset?

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scopeuk:

;-)

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Beirdo:

gah

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Beirdo:

and my fileserver ran out of PIDs due to my stream grabber not reaping properly

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Beirdo:

lovely

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scopeuk:

jesus how many did it use?

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dorel__:

this suck

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Beirdo:

well, with our shit connection dropping all the time, mplayer sometimes won't exit and sits there idle

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scopeuk:

?

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dorel__:

mythtv is crashing but no logs

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scopeuk:

you tried it with -v

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dorel__:

so i dont know where to look

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scopeuk:

or is it -V

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dorel__:

i'm running it with mythfrontend -l logfile

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Beirdo:

so I end up with like 40–50 of them in a week * 2–3 processes each + the perl scripts that drive it, etc

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dorel__:

i think the loglevel is set the highest

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Beirdo:

it's messy

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Beirdo:

so I'll be creating a nice reaper to kill them off

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FarrisG:

Are there any Windows frontends that work with 0.20 yet?

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GreyFoxx:

I saw someone post to the list who was working on aplayer for windows a few days ago. No idea how well it works though

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coldsteal:

mocker: u there?

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coldsteal:

i mean mchou u there?

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kinch:

screw this. I'll get an iTV when they com out and never look back

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Beirdo:

Hmmm, the Sens played in Truro or in Halifax?

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jamesp:

anyone using gentoo? I've just updated to mythtv 0.20_p11281 and mythweb 0.20_p11188, but it seems mythweb is using protocol 30 and the backend wants 31

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Beirdo:

yesterday that is

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fryfrog:

jamesp: sounds like mythtv was updated, mythweb wasn't

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jamesp:

fryfrog, yeah – good old gentoo :)

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Zider:

jamesp: I'm running gentoo.. but cvs of mythtv :P

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fryfrog:

:)

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jamesp:

protocol 31 pretty new then?

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Dibblah:

Were those Myth ebuilds masked?

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fryfrog:

I have mythweb 0.20_p11188 and mythtv 0.20_p11281 and it is working fine

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fryfrog:

yeah, i had to put em all in package.unmask

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fryfrog:

not sure if they are *still* masked though

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Beirdo:

it was Truro. cool

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jamesp:

same here, same versions and they are in package.keywords

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jamesp:

fryfrog, that's weird

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Dibblah:

Really thought there was an agreement not to do stupid things like package SVN...

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fryfrog:

what specifically isn't working?

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fryfrog:

i went to the recorded shows page

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fryfrog:

Dibblah: the "package" in gentoo is of the 0.20 fixes branch

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fryfrog:

so in this case, it is *better* thatn the offical release, at least imho

[15:11:30]

jamesp:

fryfrog, specifically – I go to mythtv page and get white php error style page saying

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jamesp:

"Error at /var/www/localhost/htdocs/mythweb/includes/mythbackend.php, line 167:

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fryfrog:

0.19 had a ton of fixes that never actually got a real release. lots of distros were using the -fixes svn branch

[15:11:37]

jamesp:

Incompatible protocol version (mythweb=30, backend=31)"

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fryfrog:

oh, suck :/

[15:11:46]

fryfrog:

wai twait

[15:11:51]

fryfrog:

i haven't restarted mythv

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fryfrog:

lemme do that

[15:12:05]

jamesp:

lol, it'll break for you too :)

[15:12:17]

coldsteal:

i have a question does the hupage 500 suck?

[15:12:29]

GreyFoxx:

coldsteal: Many people use and are happy with them

[15:12:44]

Dibblah:

Sure. Fixes is fine – If it's (contrary to The Gentoo Way) vanilla.

[15:12:47]

fryfrog:

coldsteal: actually, i suspect it is one of the better cards to get!

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GreyFoxx:

fryfrog: I believe one of the bug fixes required a protocol change which went into -fixes too. Or so I read on the lists

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fryfrog:

unless you get one of the new ones :(

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jamesp:

I wonder what made haupphage go with a name that no-one can spell?

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Ruleke:

fryfrog: ??

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fryfrog:

Ruleke: ??

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fryfrog:

well, asside from HDTV cards of course :)

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coldsteal:

well the reviews on newegg say it has bad reception

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Ruleke:

fryfrog: what's wrong with the new ones ?

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fryfrog:

er, i mean one with the new *tuner* on it, sorry. i thought i'd heard somethign about it in here?

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Ruleke:

ah

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GreyFoxx:

coldsteal: I've never seen anyone complain about that, but each users experience will be different

[15:13:59]

Ruleke:

yeah just upgrade the driver then ;)

[15:14:06]

coldsteal:

jamesp:or say

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fryfrog:

ah

[15:14:12]

jamesp:

indeed

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fryfrog:

jamesp: I think what I am going to do with my PVR 250s is to hook up a cable box with svideo

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fryfrog:

jamesp: because *some* of the 1–70 "analog" channels are actually digital on comcast

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fryfrog:

so reception with a cable box is crystal, but on a tv tuner it isn't :(

[15:15:07]

Ruleke:

makes no sense :)

[15:15:14]

coldsteal:

how does mythtv do with 64s?

[15:15:15]

jamesp:

fryfrog, you probably have more options than me, being in the states

[15:15:21]

Ruleke:

you wouldn't be able to receive them at all if they were digital :)

[15:15:21]

coldsteal:

amd 64s

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fryfrog:

jamesp: ah, true :)

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fryfrog:

Ruleke: no, they sneaky swap them

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jamesp:

fryfrog, did you bounce your backend already? (ok that sounds weird)

[15:15:44]

fryfrog:

my mythweb is broken now ;)

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Ruleke:

fryfrog: nightmare for normal tv users then too ?

[15:15:49]

coldsteal:

idk if i should get amd 64 3700+ $98.50 free shipping

[15:15:49]

coldsteal:

amd 64 3500+ $82.75 + $5.75 shipping or AMD Opteron 144 1.8GHz 1MB $80.99 +$3.79 shipping

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coldsteal:

okay brb

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jamesp:

fryfrog, d'oh

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GreyFoxx:

fryfrog: It's a oneline change in the mythweb source

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GreyFoxx:

unless it's also updated in the mythweb in -fixes

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jamesp:

Is the oneline fix changing the protocal number from 30 to 31? *grin*

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GreyFoxx:

jamesp: correct

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GreyFoxx:

It might already be done in the -fixes plugins

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fryfrog:

Ruleke: 1–70 *are* analog and exist as nomral. They *also* have the same channels in digital in another range and the cable box internally uses them

[15:17:30]

RyeBrye:

Anyone ever seen this MythBaynes stuff?

[15:17:31]

RyeBrye:

http://www.nexusuk.org/projects/mythtv/mythbayes/

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jamesp:

GreyFoxx, ok thanks

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RyeBrye:

Sounds like he's trying to build something similar to TiVo's "suggestions" for Myth

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jamesp:

fryfrog, mythbackend.php line 20

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fryfrog:

thanks

[15:18:54]

Merlin83b:

RyeBrye: Interesting.

[15:19:24]

** jamesp twiddles his thumbs while "recorded programs" screen loads. Is it redoing the thumbnails or something? **

[15:19:37]

RyeBrye:

Yeah. I'd never heard of it before... Sounds promising. I think he's on the right track – although I would weight the "program category" higher than the description... which is how TiVo does it I'm fairly sure

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Merlin83b:

I've often wondered about coding up something that looks at things that people watch and interfaces with an online thinger so if you watch something and lots of other people who watch that also watch something else, it will be recommended to you.

[15:19:53]

Merlin83b:

But I have nowhere near the time to do it.

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GreyFoxx:

jamesp: I believe it caches them, so it would repull in any that have changed. Or at least4 it use to cache them

[15:20:18]

Merlin83b:

Category is rubbish – the guide types don't use it accurately enough ime.

[15:20:43]

jamesp:

GreyFoxx, Yeah, I am getting some weird errors in my log, might have to look into this

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RyeBrye:

Oh. I haven't watched the guides here recently... I know TiVo's categories are usually pretty accurate – which may be why their suggestions works well

[15:21:00]

RyeBrye:

Categories – such as "Reality show" or "Game show" or "Drama".. etc.

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fryfrog:

jamesp: no one line fix for mythweb it looks like, mine didn't work either

[15:21:15]

pyrodex:

Anyone know if the startup lag for menu has been fixed in CVS?

[15:21:18]

Merlin83b:

RyeBrye: Yes, but you also pay for the guide data you get in tivo ;)

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GreyFoxx:

jamesp: For all I know whatever protocol change/fix was done might require more work than just updating the protocol number in mythweb. I don't use -fixes so I really can't say

[15:21:45]

RyeBrye:

Merlin83b: true. I'll take free :)

[15:21:55]

jamesp:

GreyFoxx, oh right. Thought you had inside info :)

[15:22:12]

GreyFoxx:

jamesp: It normally is all you need to do

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jamesp:

fryfrog, we might have spoken too soon – mythweb isn't happy

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fryfrog:

I'm sure Cardoe is working on an updated mythweb if it is in -fixes

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fryfrog:

lemme see if i can navigate teh svn on mythtv.org :)

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Anduin:

fryfrog: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset?new=trun . . . ythweb@11218

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jamesp:

cool, 3 line fix then :)

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fryfrog:

ah, just a few lines

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coldstea1:

okay

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coldstea1:

back

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coldstea1:

idk if i should get amd 64 3700+ $98.50 free shipping

[15:26:29]

coldstea1:

amd 64 3500+ $82.75 + $5.75 shipping or AMD Opteron 144 1.8GHz 1MB $80.99 +$3.79 shipping

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fryfrog:

all fixed up :)

[15:27:05]

coldstea1:

the system i want to make is going to be an all in one myth box

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coldstea1:

i wont have frontends or a backend

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Anduin:

fryfrog: It is in the -fixes mythweb as well so a packaging problem of some sort.

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jamesp:

ooh, status screen displays backend CPU temp now. I do hope it's wrong though – mine says 127 degrees C !

[15:28:55]

fryfrog:

Cardoe just needs to update mythweb :)

[15:29:34]

jamesp:

is he our friendly gentoo packager?

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antiProzac:

I upgraded to .20 and now my recordings are not being automatically transcoded. In the recording schedule->post recording processing is is set to transcode. Why do I have to manually do it?

[15:29:44]

fryfrog:

http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149145

[15:29:50]

fryfrog:

yup, and there is already a bug filed

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jamesp:

nice

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fryfrog:

I updated the bug with the "fix" for users who find the bug, and I suspect Cardoe already knows :)

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jamesp:

Well, can't test playback until I get a 0.20 minimyth

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Juski:

jamesp: there is one, but it won't work with 0.20-fixes

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Juski:

unless Pablo has made one in the last couple of days

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jamesp:

Juski, fair enough – it's low priority for me. My main backend is still on 0.19 anyhow

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antiProzac:

juski: take a look at my 11:29 post and let me know what you think

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fryfrog:

what is minimyth?

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antiProzac:

fryfrog: who are you asking?

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jamesp:

fryfrog, linpvr.org – it's a frontend distro for PXE booting diskless clients

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Juski:

antiProzac: where?

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antiProzac:

I upgraded to .20 and now my recordings are not being automatically transcoded. In the recording schedule->post recording processing is is set to transcode. Why do I have to manually do it?

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Juski:

antiProzac: the scheme for that changed. you can now choose which transcoder to use, so you'll need to set up the jobs again or tweak em

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otwin:

I'm running the latest minimyth with fixes rev 11274 for 1 hour or so :-)

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Juski:

otwin: but is that since the -fixes protocol bump?

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nadia007:

wondering if anyone knows if the matrox g450 card works with myth?

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Juski:

ahhh Pablo updated it since the weekend :)

[15:44:02]

otwin:

dont't when that happened

[15:44:06]

otwin:

know

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Juski:

24th sept..., and the protocol bump happened before that

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otwin:

yes – he's really fast :-)

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coldstea1:

whats the best vid card for a mythtv box?

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jamesp:

otwin, you build from source or are you using the 0.20–19b6 rel?

[15:45:23]

Juski:

I've tried to build minimyth on gentoo & ubuntu – no dice. apparently I'd be better on FC for that, and I'm almost tempted (just on a spare box of course)

[15:45:26]

otwin:

incredible what has changed in minimyth in the last few weeks – even the website is up to date ;-)

[15:45:42]

otwin:

jamesp: using 0.20–19b6

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Juski:

coldstea1: there's no 'best'.. it'd be 'best for you' – and that depends on what you need

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jamesp:

Juski, I tried to build it on RHEL (Centos) 4.4 but no luck. The build system can't find things like /bin/true, /bin/rm etc :)

[15:46:17]

Juski:

nadia007: for video output? if linux supports it, probably yes

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otwin:

same here – build minimyth on fc with no probs, but no luck since i moved to ubuntu

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coldstea1:

well i am doing an all in one box

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Juski:

coldstea1: standard or hi def? need tv-out or component/DVI/etc ?

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fryfrog:

nadia007: A g450 would probably work with a fast system, but an nvidia card would probably be a better choice

[15:47:05]

nadia007:

Juski, I've been using my g450 for vdr, but was thinking on changing to myth. Been using directfb, didn't know if anyone knew how to make it work?

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coldstea1:

well i would like it to last me when i move out

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nadia007:

fryfrog, any nvidia? or a particular one?

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fryfrog:

I used to use the G450 for dual head, back when that was "unique"

[15:47:43]

coldstea1:

so a really good onr

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Juski:

nadia007: oh. framebuffer support isn't too good in mythtv right now AFAIK. It was always a pain to get working anyway from what I heard

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fryfrog:

i'd say, NF4 or above

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coldstea1:

one

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fryfrog:

I have a 6200 in my box cause it was $50

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jamesp:

coldstea1, I don't think myth exactly stresses your video hardware

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fryfrog:

A GF4 or GF 5200 or what ever would be decent :)

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nadia007:

fryfrog, how about the OS? Ubuntu or Debian work?

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fryfrog:

nadia007: anything you are comfortable with should be fine :)

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coldstea1:

jamesp: http://i-trash.org/ and go to the project page

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nadia007:

fryfrog, It's always nice to hear that ;)

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coldstea1:

thats the hardware im thinking of sofar

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Juski:

nadia007: a nvidia fx5200 or something would prolly do the trick, but you'd need to run X. if you need PAL or NTSC RGB it's possible to make a lead to go from VGA->RGB & use a PAL or NTSC modeline

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fryfrog:

nadia007: I like gentoo, many people use fedora. I'd prolly use Ubuntu if i started over :)

[15:50:09]

fryfrog:

Did you say if you planned on doing HD playback or not?

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nadia007:

fryfrog, I have a collection of ISO's on my server. I just want to have something that I can play them back.

[15:50:37]

Juski:

I wouldn't personally recommend using ubuntu mythtv packages right now. I dont like the way they autoconfigure so much & second-guess the user

[15:50:46]

jamesp:

coldstea1, I am using a new Asus A8N-VM CSM mobo – integrated GFX with DVI-D out for a plasma telly

[15:50:46]

nadia007:

fryfrog, HD, no don't have anything like that...

[15:51:35]

coldstea1:

whats the price?

[15:51:53]

coldstea1:

is it a front end system?

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fryfrog:

coldstea1: actually, the HD question was for you

[15:52:05]

Juski:

I met someone at LRL last July who was wanting to use directfb with mythtv & a matrox card. wonder how they got on...

[15:52:17]

fryfrog:

nadia007: mythtv is probably over kill to play ISOs

[15:52:28]

fryfrog:

nadia007: you could get an XBOX and XBMC to play isos :)

[15:52:29]

coldstea1:

umm i would like it

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jamesp:

coldstea1, yes it's for a frontend, but it's certainly got enough beans for a backend (AMD 64 3200+)

[15:52:39]

jamesp:

it was about 50 quid

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Juski:

nadia007: if all you wanna do is play media, try geexbox.. that's amazing for what it is

[15:52:53]

coldstea1:

what is squid

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coldstea1:

quid

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Juski:

quid == 1 GBP

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fryfrog:

coldstea1: I use a AMD64 3000+ w/ 1G ram and an nvidia 6200 video card

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fryfrog:

coldstea1: SD recording on an mpeg2 card is very low cpu

[15:53:28]

fryfrog:

playback of SD is pretty easy too

[15:53:35]

jamesp:

coldstea1, my setup is almost identical to the one on the bottom of http://home.san.rr.com/benderfamily/network/mythtv/

[15:53:43]

nadia007:

fryfrog, Juski I have both of those things... my xbox is what I'm curretnly using. I do have geexbox, but I can only playback on my pc.

[15:53:53]

brad_mssw:

anyone have a pchdtv 5500 and a hauppauge pvr (ivtv) card peacefully co-existing ?

[15:53:59]

fryfrog:

I have a frontend Athlon XP 1600+ w/ 512MB ram and it would be *fine* with a pvr150/250/500 and an nvidia box

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coldstea1:

what is 50 quid im in the us

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fryfrog:

nadia007: you ever tried xbmc?

[15:54:19]

fryfrog:

50 quid is prolly ~$100

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Juski:

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nadia007:

fryfrog, xbox Media Center... yup.. that's what I use...

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jamesp:

fryfrog and Juski are both right

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fryfrog:

i thought GBP was 2x USD :/

[15:54:53]

jamesp:

fryfrog, it is – but we pay more for electronics

[15:54:57]

Juski:

fryfrog: it is, approx.. but it doesn't equate to computer gear

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nadia007:

fryfrog, modded my xbox... fried my lee press ons with soldering iron several times!! ;)

[15:55:14]

fryfrog:

heheh

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coldstea1:

2well simple ?

[15:55:32]

fryfrog:

coldstea1: I'd suggest a PVR 500 or PVR 150/250 instead of the 350

[15:55:35]

jamesp:

does mean we have l33t buying power from the states when we visit :)

[15:55:40]

fryfrog:

the only thing the 350 adds is TV out and it isn't worth it

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coldstea1:

ati of nvidia

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Juski:

nvidia

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fryfrog:

nvidia for sure :)

[15:56:10]

coldstea1:

the hauppauge 500

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Juski:

until hell freezes over & ATI make their drivers properly open source before nvidia :-P

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nadia007:

fryfrog, I have my vdr box still, but the dvdselect "feature" just became to quirky when I moved my ISO to the server. Just want something a little bit more stable that will play on my tv.

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** Juski has always wondered what vdr is like to use **

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coldstea1:

http://geek.pricegrabber.com/search_getprod.p . . . ch=hauppauge

[15:57:46]

coldstea1:

that one?

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pyrodex:

is there a way to drop the music data and have it refresh?

[15:58:36]

nadia007:

Juski, vdr was very slick, but no nice GUI

[15:59:05]

coldstea1:

Hauppauge WinTV-PVR-500MCE Kit with 2 Tuner with Mce Remote Control

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fryfrog:

Juski: i read that amd was considering releasing the ati drivers open source

[15:59:20]

fryfrog:

i'm sure nvidia has no plans to do that :/

[15:59:33]

fryfrog:

coldstea1: yeah, that'd be it

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coldstea1:

okay well does the remote work with myth?

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fryfrog:

it should, i know my pvr250's remots worked

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fryfrog:

actually, the question is "does the remote work with lirc"

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coldstea1:

what is lirc?

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fryfrog:

the ir program in linux

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fryfrog:

well, ir/rf

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fryfrog:

google for lirc, it'll explain better

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janneg:

Juski: ease to use, runs on very old or embedded hardware, very good DVB support

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coldstea1:

u xplained it 4 me

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coldstea1:

well i can get a pcie gpu

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coldstea1:

but idk what one

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nadia007:

fryfrog, so any fx5200 would do... even if it is distributed by gigabyte or something?

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fryfrog:

yeah, anyone who makes an nvidia card with the outputs you want is fine :)

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fryfrog:

I make sure mine has VGA, DVI and S-VIDEO :)

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nadia007:

fryfrog, I have an older tv so s-video would be nice...

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coldstea1:

so for soud

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coldstea1:

sound

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fryfrog:

i made sure my new tv had DVI or HDMI input :)

[16:06:20]

coldstea1:

should i get a soundblaster x fi

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fryfrog:

coldstea1: anything, built in is fine

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fryfrog:

coldstea1: if you have digital (optical or wire), be sure to get a mb that has the output

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fryfrog:

coldstea1: and if you do use digital, the sound card hardly matters

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coldstea1:

well i dont want to buy a reciever

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fryfrog:

sorry, will you be hooking this up to a TV or just using it as a pc?

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coldstea1:

i heard the soundblaster audigy zs2 is like a $500 recever

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coldstea1:

its for a tv

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fryfrog:

and the sound is going from PC -> TV, right?

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coldstea1:

no the tv wont have sound

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fryfrog:

as long as it *plays*, the sound card isn't gonna make a shit hill of beans

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fryfrog:

hooking speakers right up to pc?

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coldstea1:

im going to get 505 watt logitech

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coldstea1:

ya

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fryfrog:

I'd start with a decent mb with built in sound card, 7 or 5 channel

[16:09:35]

fryfrog:

if you *don't* like it, you can always buy an external card

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coldstea1:

hows this for a vid card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814150157

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Led-Hed:

any recomendations for a Light weight Distro that boots quickley and isnt Gentoo?

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fryfrog:

haha :)

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fryfrog:

LFS?

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Merlin83b:

DSL

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Merlin83b:

;)

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coldstea1:

lol

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JohnQ:

Damnit! My myth machine keeps lockingup uvernight.

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Merlin83b:

Doesn't get much lighter weight than that.

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coldstea1:

root linux

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fryfrog:

coldstea1: fucking retarded expensive for myth

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coldstea1:

thats nice

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fryfrog:

coldstea1: and it is agp

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coldstea1:

ya i just noticed

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coldstea1:

i liked how it looked and i clicked

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coldstea1:

dam colors

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coldstea1:

lol

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fryfrog:

that motherboard is also retarded overkill for myth

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Juski:

Led-Hed: slack

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fryfrog:

it is an SLI board with 2x pic-e x16 slots

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Led-Hed:

DLS is Deb based, can you install Myth from the Deb packages?

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coldstea1:

ik

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Juski:

whoops no PCI slots.. lol

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coldstea1:

its if i want that computer

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fryfrog:

Debian or Ubuntu might be good choices

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nadia007:

fryfrog, so what do you use for a capture card?

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fryfrog:

I have a single air2pc hd5000 hdtv card

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fryfrog:

and 3x pvr250's that are laying beside waiting for use :)

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fryfrog:

now, i'd go with a pvr500 for the two tuners

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Juski:

btw coldstea1 I didn't want to buy an IR receiver either, so I made one myself :-P

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fryfrog:

and *if* that new HDMI input card ever gets linux/myth support, i'll buy 2 of them (2 inputs each) and switch to satalite) :)

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nadia007:

fryfrog, wow... got any recommendations for a budget conscious student?

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fryfrog:

coldstea1: I think your goals are all wrong unless you have money to throw away

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coldstea1:

ya thts it

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hjohnson:

fryfrog: yeah, but will it really let you violate copy protection on the HDMI?

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fryfrog:

nadia007: PVR150 is cheap, PVR250 prolly cheap on ebay

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JohnQ:

Crap. What do I do about this: Table './mythconverg/program' is marked as crashed and should be repaired

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coldstea1:

i have $

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fryfrog:

hjohnson: I don't want to violate copy protection, if their devices use HDCP protection, i won't buy it

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Juski:

JohnQ: stop mythbackend & see the wiki about db maintenance

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coldstea1:

i will buy my parts every month

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hjohnson:

fryfrog: they have to, if they want to do HDMI.. which is the problem.

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hjohnson:

otherwise they won't get the crypto keys to decode it.

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Led-Hed:

any recomendations on making Linux boot faster. My frontends are using FC4, and take approx 90 sec to get booted and load MythFrontend. I would like it if I could cut it down to 30–45 sec.

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Juski:

coldstea1: any motherboard with SLI shite on it isn't gonna have enough real PCI slots for a backend. And unless you plan to do any major gaming on the machine it's total overkill

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coldstea1:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814150130

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jamesp:

Led-Hed, suspend-to-disk?

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fryfrog:

HDMI came way before HDCP, so older hardware won't support it

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coldstea1:

i like the overclocking

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Led-Hed:

jamesp: thats a good idea

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Juski:

Led-Hed: look into other init methods (like the non-init ones)

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jamesp:

http://www.suspend2.net/

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hjohnson:

Juski: it's a shame that hauppauge isn't making PCIe tuners, if only so they can go in the slots that are becoming more prevalent.

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fryfrog:

it'll be *years* before they *require* HDCP

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Juski:

coldstea1: OC'ing is for ricers ;)

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hjohnson:

fryfrog: right, but iirc, most satellites system require HDCP

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Led-Hed:

underclocking is the way to go!

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fryfrog:

ah

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hjohnson:

you can't plug 'em into a typical computer LCD, for example, because of their lame-ass copy protection.

[16:17:17]

ivor:

Led-Hed: or dont use a distro, just a minimal linux build.

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** Juski enjoys a silent livingroom. coldstea1 on the other hand, won't **

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nadia007:

fryfrog, hauppage win-pvr250 okay?

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** Led-Hed isnt that advanced yet **

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fryfrog:

coldstea1: Go for a newer socket AM2 board, a CPU in the range of 3000–3800, maybe dual core

[16:17:47]

fryfrog:

coldstea1: don't waste money on an SLI board or a video card that costs more than $50

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fryfrog:

nadia007: yeah, i have 3x of the PVR250s they are great

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hjohnson:

unless you're doing other stuff with it.

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coldstea1:

that seems like an idea

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coldstea1:

i want an am2

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fryfrog:

nadia007: the PVR150 is *newer* and *cheaper*

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hjohnson:

I'm just waiting for the samsung tuner drivers to stabilize..

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hjohnson:

I bought a PVR-500, and discovered that it had samsung tuners on it, and the current buggyness with those.

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Juski:

hjohnson: some of that comes out of people using too new a kernel. the samsung issues have been fixed but not all have made it out of ivtv into the kernel yet IIRC

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coldstea1:

awww there is only 62 mobos to choose from

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nadia007:

fryfrog, now these are tv tuners... I have dvb, these two things are different?

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hjohnson:

nadia007: yes.

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Led-Hed:

Juski: can you gove me some examples on these non-init methods?

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hjohnson:

dvb is a digital broadcast standard.

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Juski:

Led-Hed: initng is one I know of

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nadia007:

hjohnson, so one is for satellite and the other for cable tv?

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Led-Hed:

Juski: thanks

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hjohnson:

one is for analog cable, the other is for digital broadcast.. whether it be satellite, terrestrial, or cable.

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Juski:

dvb-t == terrestrial (i.e. through an aerial). dvb-c == cable and dvb-s == satellite

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** hjohnson works in the dvb-s biz. **

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coldstea1:

i want a really good am2 board

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** hjohnson is happy with his Asus A8N-E S939 board. **

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nadia007:

hjohnson, would I also be able to use my dvb with myth someday?

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hjohnson:

it's nice and stable..

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Juski:

coldstea1: pick one with more than 2 pci slots and none of that sli rubbish – you don't need sli crap for mythtv

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hjohnson:

nadia007: depends on whether specs are available for it..

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JohnQ:

frig. mysqldump wont even dump the friggin database.

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hjohnson:

nadia007: there are a few supported dvb cards out there.

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hjohnson:

Juski: unless you're also going to use it as a gaming rig.

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Juski:

nadia007: mythtv supports a lot of dvb stuff now

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Juski:

hjohnson: sure, but any sli rig is gonna be too noisy for most folks' livingrooms

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hjohnson:

right

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coldstea1:

i want to make a silent sstem

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coldstea1:

system

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hjohnson:

my noisy machine lives in the basement, though it's remarkably quiet, all tihngs considered.

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Juski:

so avoid sli like the plague

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hjohnson:

coldstea1: then don't go AM2

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nadia007:

nice... well... guess I got to go do some shopping then... vdr was fun, but myth looks pretty interesting... I'm up for a new challange!

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Juski:

nadia007: it certainly is _that_ ;)

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hjohnson:

i'm running an opteron cooler on my athlon64. :)

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hjohnson:

it keeps the CPU about 4C cooler than the stock athlon64 cooler

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JohnQ:

Any I dea how to deal whith this: mysqldump: Got error: 145: Table './mythconverg/program' is marked as crashed and should be repaired when using LOCK TABLES

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nadia007:

well gents... hope you're around when I try to piece all this stuff together then!! ;) I'll see you in a while gonna go do some reading!

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coldstea1:

u can do it silent

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coldstea1:

well i would really like socket A

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hjohnson:

coldstea1: if you're willing to pay stupid amounts of money.

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coldstea1:

cuz its cheep

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antiPosix:

any options I can put in xorg.conf to my my Television less flickery while displaying GUI

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hjohnson:

hmm.. raw video recorded off my PVR-500 is very interlaced looking.. probably need to run some filters on it.

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coldstea1:

do u guys think socket a is possible?

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Juski:

antiPosix: if it's nvidia try the flicker filter option (RTFM for that one or use nvidia-settings instead)

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hjohnson:

coldstea1: for what?

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Juski:

hjohnson: prolly need deinterlacing or see above about nvidia's flicker filter ;)

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coldstea1:

for a myth box

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hjohnson:

Juski: well, considering I don't have an nvidia card, nor am I displaying on a TV, clicker filter won't help me. :)

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hjohnson:

but yes, de-interlacing is probably what I need.

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flyback:

what's the min required ram

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flyback:

for a dedicated backend only

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Juski:

socket A? pfft.. you'll have problems buying a cpu for that

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Zider:

coldstea1: just a socket won't do much

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Juski:

flyback: wouldn't recommend any less than 256MB

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Zider:

:P

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flyback:

damn :/

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flyback:

just to record and stream or share out

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flyback:

not even looking for live rewind/ff for now

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coldstea1:

i already have a computer

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coldstea1:

i built for 300

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coldstea1:

its an 1800

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hjohnson:

my current computer cost me nigh $1800 or so.

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Zider:

same here

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Juski:

holy moly!

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coldstea1:

mine is socket 1

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hjohnson:

but that's for a decent server case, decent asus motherboard, AMD64 dual-core, 5 320GB HDs, a 300GB boot drive, 1 GB of ram.

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coldstea1:

A

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ServerSage:

So would anybody happen to know why in .20 if I am watching something that is currently being recorded, and I fast forward up to the point of live TV, it jumps back to the menu?

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nadia007:

fryfrog, pvr150 media center edition work??

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Juski:

ahhh.. 5 320GB HDDs'd do it :)

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Zider:

c2d <3

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flyback:

oh yeah btw pvr250

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hjohnson:

Juski: they were on sale... so I bought 5.

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hjohnson:

oh, and PVR-500 in that mix.

[16:29:45]

Juski:

nadia007: if it has 'hauppauge pvr' in the name, yes

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coldstea1:

i ave 1/2 tb in my desktop

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hjohnson:

I saved money on the video card.

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hjohnson:

I'm using a 1MB PCI S3 Trio in that computer. <G>

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flyback:

ewww

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flyback:

dude

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Zider:

hehe

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Zider:

ewww indeed

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flyback:

you stupid well you know

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antiPosix:

I remember that card!

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flyback:

that's bad

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flyback:

even for 2d

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** flyback smacks hjohnson **

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hjohnson:

flyback: seems to do text mode just fine.

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flyback:

oh just text only?

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Juski:

my ubuntu install that I'm swapping over to this weekend is resting on a 500GB disk, so that's gonna make 1.5TB of storage when it goes online

[16:30:45]

coldstea1:

what server case?

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hjohnson:

flyback: yes.l

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flyback:

that's fine then

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hjohnson:

coldstea1: Antec Titan 550 or something.

[16:31:05]

flyback:

but even for just full screen video playback it sux

[16:31:07]

hjohnson:

nice case, good stock PSU.

[16:31:13]

flyback:

hjohnson careful

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hjohnson:

flyback: it lives in a closet in my basement.

[16:31:18]

flyback:

antec had a bunch of models with bad caps

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antiPosix:

my load is between 5 and 6 when recording. any thing I can do to eliviate my load?

[16:31:26]

flyback:

I just hadm y 400 die in 3 months

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nadia007:

Juski, it does have hauppage in the name... just hate to get it and find out it noworkey!!

[16:31:32]

antiPosix:

and yes... software encoding...

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hjohnson:

flyback: these have been considered to be very good PSUs, so we'll see.

[16:31:59]

Juski:

nadia007: nah the different tags just imply they're bundled differently

[16:32:09]

hjohnson:

I'm just mildly concerned that the VIA PCI SATA controller I'm using for the 5th SATA drive is slowing down the RAID.

[16:32:13]

coldstea1:

im getting 2 of these http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822136014

[16:32:26]

coldstea1:

and raid 0

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ServerSage:

hjohnson: Then get a 3ware card.

[16:32:31]

flyback:

yeah I would be too :)

[16:32:48]

coldstea1:

3gb/s

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Juski:

there's the MCE OEM which is just a card on its own, then there's an MCE kit, which is the card & full-on MCE remote (& IR blaster) thing, then there's another which is Hauppauge's own bundle with their own remote...

[16:32:57]

Zider:

12-port 3ware card should do it :D

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hjohnson:

ServerSage: yeah, but the PCI-e 3ware cards with SATA are stupid expensive.

[16:33:28]

Havelock:

Hi, what means "Channel(/dev/video): SetInputAndFormat() failed"? In LiveTV i can change Channels with no problems...

[16:33:33]

ServerSage:

hjohnson: But so worth it. :)

[16:33:37]

coldstea1:

hjohnson: do u hvae that case by ur tv

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nadia007:

Juski, http://www.pcclub.com/product_details.cfm?itemno=A9601885

[16:33:43]

Zider:

I wonder.. does those 3ware card work at all in a 1x pci-express? or does it HAVE to be 4x?

[16:33:54]

hjohnson:

coldstea1: no.

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ServerSage:

Zider: I'm sure it'll work, just be slower.

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hjohnson:

Zider: it won't physically fit, but it would work if you could fit it.

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coldstea1:

its tucked away?

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hjohnson:

Zider: since most PCI1x slots won't allow you to put in 4x cards, even though the protocol technically allows for it.

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Zider:

hjohnson: ahh

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hjohnson:

my A8N has a 4x slot that can accomidate anything, and will just run the card at 4x

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ServerSage:

So nobody has the problem I described with .20?

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Zider:

would be nice to take one of them mobos with four pci-e slots and fill it with 3ware cards, and then fill them with drives

[16:36:20]

Ediehow:

HELP

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Ediehow:

what happened to channel scanning?

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Zider:

I wonder where the bottleneck would be then ;)

[16:36:42]

Ediehow:

it's broken for me in .20

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Ediehow:

and there are no answers on forums or anywhere

[16:36:53]

JohnQ:

Ok.. this blows bigtime. Im going to start making hourly backups of my friggin database.

[16:36:58]

hjohnson:

yeah, I'd have trouble justifying $500 for a storage card

[16:37:06]

Juski:

Ediehow: got fixed for me! :-P

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ServerSage:

Ediehow: Describe broken. I know mine changed all my channel names. :)

[16:37:17]

** hjohnson hands JohnQ LVM and snapshots **

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hjohnson:

:)

[16:37:19]

Ediehow:

all the channel names are adding"

[16:37:24]

Ediehow:

"adding"

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Zider:

hjohnson: well, for a humongous file server I bet it would be relally nice :D

[16:37:44]

ServerSage:

Ediehow: After you run it, use mythfilldatabase with --do-channel-updates

[16:37:47]

Juski:

nadia007: that'd work, but note there's no remote included with that

[16:37:52]

Ediehow:

i don't think that's the problem

[16:37:53]

fryfrog:

hjohnson: Hey, I have 5x 320Gdrives too!~

[16:38:03]

Ediehow:

if i go to channel editor after i run channel scan, they are all screwed up THERE

[16:38:04]

fryfrog:

hjohnson: did you say if you use hardware or software raid?

[16:38:09]

hjohnson:

software raid

[16:38:11]

nadia007:

juski... hmm.. that's not good.... didn't notice that!

[16:38:16]

hjohnson:

it works, it's reliable, just writes are painfully slow.

[16:38:22]

Ediehow:

this is still in myth-setup

[16:38:22]

nadia007:

hjohnson, why not just use lvm... it works great!

[16:38:35]

fryfrog:

hjohnson: lvm isn't for redundancy

[16:38:37]

hjohnson:

nadia007: because I don't want to divide my MTBF

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fryfrog:

oops

[16:38:38]

coldstea1:

1.CPU – AMD FX-62 $1,031.00

[16:38:38]

coldstea1:

2.CPU FAN – Zalman CNPS5900$65.00

[16:38:38]

coldstea1:

3.MOBO – Foxcon C51XEM2AA$210.00

[16:38:39]

coldstea1:

4.RAM – Corsair TWIN2X20048–6400C3 (2GB)$453.00

[16:38:39]

coldstea1:

5.HDD – WD Raptor X WD1500 (RAID 0)$289.00 x2 6.GPU – Nvidia GeForce 7900 GTX $499.00 X2 7.PSU – OCZ GamerXStream 700W $160.00

[16:38:39]

ServerSage:

Ediehow: After you run it, use mythfilldatabase with --do-channel-updates <<<--- ARE YOU LISTENING?

[16:38:47]

Ediehow:

ServerSage, are YOU listening?

[16:38:48]

fryfrog:

nadia007: i mean :)

[16:38:57]

nadia007:

lol

[16:38:57]

hjohnson:

I run lvm2 on top of software RAID

[16:38:59]

Ediehow:

you should still be able to see the channels in channel editor

[16:39:01]

JohnQ:

Just going to dump the database every hour

[16:39:04]

Ediehow:

before doing that, at least you could in the past

[16:39:12]

ServerSage:

Ediehow: Yes, but the names are just wonky, correct?

[16:39:16]

fryfrog:

hjohnson: i didn't even bother with LVM, just one big ass partition on it :)

[16:39:23]

fryfrog:

hjohnson: what kind of 320G drives did you get?

[16:39:26]

hjohnson:

mainly so I can re-balance my partitions on the RAID.

[16:39:30]

fryfrog:

i made the mistake of WD :(

[16:39:35]

hjohnson:

Seagate Baracuda 7200.9s?

[16:39:43]

hjohnson:

16MB cache, NCQ

[16:39:44]

Zider:

seagate <3

[16:39:48]

fryfrog:

i've had 2 failures in 1 year, wish i'd gone seagate :)

[16:39:53]

Ediehow:

man, i missed the A team already today:(

[16:39:55]

ServerSage:

Ediehow: They end up being "Adding channel X" and such. Finish your mythtv-setup (including channel scan), exit mythtv-setup, and then run mythfilldatabase --do-channel-updates

[16:40:03]

Ediehow:

ok ServerSage doing it now

[16:40:04]

Ediehow:

thanks

[16:40:14]

Ediehow:

do i have to do it everytime i run mythfilldatabase now?

[16:40:32]

ServerSage:

Ediehow: No, the channel scan only needs to be done once, so it only fubars the names once.

[16:40:42]

Ediehow:

k

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Ediehow:

the other thing is

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ServerSage:

Ediehow: If you like, A-Team isn't on until 2pm here (in and hour and a half). I can give you the mpg. :)

[16:41:08]

antiPosix:

pirate!

[16:41:10]

Ediehow:

i cannot seem to find any answer on any forum or anything about a usb ir blaster

[16:41:12]

antiPosix:

I spotted a pirate!

[16:41:12]

** hjohnson is enjoying "Studio 60" **

[16:41:19]

Beirdo:

no you can't that's illegal :)

[16:41:35]

Pryon:

avast, ye swabs

[16:41:38]

** antiPosix hides behind a trash can before the S.W.A.T. team arrives **

[16:41:38]

Ediehow:

my compie has no serial ports. i am switching to dishnetwork so i need a usb blaster

[16:41:46]

Ediehow:

are there any that FOR SURE work with lirc/myth?

[16:42:11]

hjohnson:

motherboards without RS232 annoy me.. ditch the parallel port before you ditch RS232

[16:42:14]

Beirdo:

nothing works for sure

[16:42:14]

nadia007:

so... with the pvr150, will I also do live tv and be able to record? Or do I need a diff card?

[16:42:25]

ServerSage:

It's so much fun to say things like that in a forum. Hehe.

[16:42:26]

Ediehow:

Beirdo, i can't find documentation of which ones DO work

[16:42:32]

Pryon:

nadia007: 150 has only one tuner, so no.

[16:42:32]

Juski:

how are peeps sposed to configure all those fancy cisco products?

[16:42:33]

fryfrog:

nadia007: what do you mean?

[16:42:37]

Beirdo:

www.lirc.org maybe?

[16:42:43]

opello:

nadia007: at least not simultaneously

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fryfrog:

nadia007: with 1 tuner, you can only get one live tv stream at a time

[16:42:47]

Honk^away:

nadia007: you need 2 cards if you want to do both at the same time =)

[16:42:48]

hjohnson:

you can do live tv and record the same show, sinc elive and recording are the same thing.

[16:42:48]

Ediehow:

nadia007, you can't watch livetv and record at same time with one card

[16:42:48]

Pryon:

nadia007: however, you can watch what you're recording while it's being recorded.

[16:42:52]

Ediehow:

Beirdo, i posted on the mailing list

[16:42:59]

fryfrog:

nadia007: so that means you can watch live tv, *OR* watch a recording *while* another show is recording

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Ediehow:

unless it's same show

[16:43:05]

opello:

Ediehow: s/card/tuner/

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hjohnson:

Ediehow: sure you can as long as you're watching and recording the same channel. :)

[16:43:13]

Ediehow:

:)

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** hjohnson pats his PVR-500 **

[16:43:27]

hjohnson:

if only the tuners worked properly! :)

[16:43:28]

opello:

yes...my prescious

[16:43:31]

fryfrog:

nadia007: that is why the PVR500 is awsome. Two tuners on one card. So you can watch a live tv, record a show *or* watch a recording and record 2 shows

[16:43:42]

** antiPosix gives evil glare at his ATI TV Wonder (Value Edition) **

[16:43:44]

opello:

less an s or something

[16:43:45]

** fryfrog pats his 3x pvr 250s :p **

[16:43:46]

hjohnson:

fryfrog: once they work out the kinks with the new tuners.

[16:43:54]

nadia007:

fryfrog, hmmm... the $200 card!!

[16:43:59]

fryfrog:

hjohnson: she could also get an older used PVR500 from ebay

[16:44:00]

Ediehow:

anyone use a usb blaster?

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fryfrog:

nadia007: i thought it was more like $150?

[16:44:13]

coldstea1:

its still possable to have a myth box with dish?

[16:44:14]

ServerSage:

Ediehow: I don't use a blaster at all. :)

[16:44:15]

hjohnson:

anyone know how well MythTV handles FM radio recording?

[16:44:21]

nadia007:

fryfrog, I looked at circuit city!

[16:44:23]

hjohnson:

I'd like to make a podcast of "Prarie Home Companion"

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antiPosix:

I use Silly Blasters on Lego Star Wars II, does that count?

[16:44:28]

fryfrog:

nadia007: I only paid ~$70 for each of my PVR250s, I thought the PVR150 was even cheaper

[16:44:34]

fryfrog:

brick and morter sucks

[16:44:34]

ServerSage:

Ediehow: Get a USB to serial converter and use serial to change your channels on your dish.

[16:44:36]

antiPosix:

hjohnson: isnt that a vermont thing?

[16:44:44]

hjohnson:

antiPosix: MN

[16:44:45]

Ediehow:

ServerSage, i have one, but i was told it does not work

[16:44:50]

Ediehow:

with ir blasters

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hjohnson:

but it's all over on NPR

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opello:

neat

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nadia007:

fryfrog, the pvr150 is about $80 with remote, the 250 is about 170 and the 500 is 200

[16:45:17]

hjohnson:

the diff being that the PVR150 is TV only, no?

[16:45:20]

ServerSage:

Ediehow: Yes, get rid of the ir blaster. Doesn't your dish have a serial connector on the back of it?

[16:45:30]

opello:

there are 150s with fm tuners

[16:45:31]

JohnQ:

Is there any way to see what *would* have been recorded if my myth box had not locked up unexplicably last night?

[16:45:41]

Ediehow:

ServerSage, i haven't gotten one yet, i was wanting to make sure before i bought

[16:45:44]

Ediehow:

ServerSage, do you use satellite?

[16:45:52]

Ediehow:

w/mythtv?

[16:45:53]

coldstea1:

okay is this a good mobo http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813135028

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ServerSage:

Ediehow: I did use it, but I went back to cable.

[16:46:09]

Ediehow:

ok, did your box have a serial thing?

[16:46:16]

ServerSage:

Ediehow; Yes.

[16:46:20]

Ediehow:

what network?

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hjohnson:

opello: what i'm curious about is why all TV tuners don't support FM, if you can tune them to arbitrary frequencies..

[16:46:25]

ServerSage:

Ediehow: Thats not to say they all do.

[16:46:32]

hjohnson:

given that the audio on cable TV is just FM radio..

[16:46:34]

opello:

hjohnson: *shrug* :)

[16:46:45]

fryfrog:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815116633 PVR 150 for $53

[16:46:46]

hjohnson:

(and why there's a separate RF connector)

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ServerSage:

Ediehow: I was using DirecTV. Though I don't remember which reciever I had, if I had to guess I'd say RCA.

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cocaxx:

Hi! Has anyone an idea, why it's not possible for me to schedule a tv show? If I select a show in the epg and press [rec] nothing happens, I don't get a rec symbol....but recording live tv works :/

[16:46:57]

nadia007:

hjohnson, hoping you were going to say xm radio or something!!

[16:47:04]

Ediehow:

well, i guess when i get dishnetwork i could request a box with a serial connection

[16:47:06]

coldstea1:

anyone/.?

[16:47:07]

opello:

hjohnson: neat, so it doesn't go on the wire? or what?

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antiPosix:

dear god, a PVR 150 for $53!!

[16:47:09]

Ediehow:

but how do i know it's compatible with linux/myth?

[16:47:13]

hjohnson:

nadia007: naw, XM is so DRM encumbered that I doubt it would ever owrk.

[16:47:22]

opello:

antiPosix: newegg is about that

[16:47:24]

coldstea1:

is this a good mobo http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813135028

[16:47:24]

fryfrog:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815116628 <- PVR 500 for $235

[16:47:34]

opello:

wow

[16:47:38]

ServerSage:

Ediehow: Google, the mythtv wiki probably has info. If you can find a channel changer app for it, it'll work.

[16:47:38]

antiPosix:

whats the catch with the PVR150 for $53

[16:47:40]

Ediehow:

ServerSage, i am currently using serial to usb adapter with my remote

[16:47:46]

nadia007:

fryfrog, hmm... http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/howToGetIt.do? . . . p;oid=152298

[16:47:46]

JohnQ:

Has anyone tried two pvr-500s in the same machine?

[16:47:49]

hjohnson:

opello: there's a separate FM radio connector on my PVR-500, even though FM radio is carried over the same wire as the Cable TV.. I have to put in another splitter

[16:47:52]

opello:

fryfrog: i got my 500 from blt, and last i saw they were still <$150

[16:48:01]

Ediehow:

"channel changer app"?

[16:48:29]

Ediehow:

if i remember right, the wiki has blaster stuff

[16:48:33]

fryfrog:

JohnQ: I"ve used 4x pvr 250s in one box, i doubt 2x 500 woudl be any diff

[16:48:41]

ServerSage:

Ediehow: Yeah, I had to use a little script that changed the channels over serial for my directv reciever. I have to do the same thing with my charter digital cable box.

[16:48:52]

JohnQ:

fryfrog: no unexpected problems?

[16:48:57]

fryfrog:

nope

[16:49:08]

fryfrog:

and almost every card had a different tuner too

[16:49:10]

JohnQ:

Im thinking of giveing it a try.

[16:49:11]

ServerSage:

Okay, this jumping back to menu when I fast forward up to the point of live recording is going to drive me nuts.

[16:49:15]

fryfrog:

its been 6mo or more since i had 4 in my box though

[16:49:19]

Ediehow:

holy cow

[16:49:26]

Ediehow:

you have to convert usb to serial for directv box in linux

[16:49:35]

antiPosix:

does ATX ground the motherboard through the powersupply connector?

[16:49:58]

antiPosix:

or is it normally through a screw fasteneing the mobo to the chasis

[16:50:01]

JohnQ:

I just wish I knew why my myth box keeps crashing.

[16:50:07]

coldstea1:

im making a costum case for my box

[16:50:12]

antiPosix:

JohnQ: is it hard freezing.

[16:50:19]

antiPosix:

JohnQ: like solid freeze?

[16:50:21]

nadia007:

JohnQ, dmesg?

[16:50:45]

Ediehow:

http://losdos.dyndns.org:8080/public/mythtv-i . . . ed_LIRC.html

[16:50:46]

Ediehow:

see

[16:50:48]

Ediehow:

IR blasters

[16:50:56]

JohnQ:

No... not solid... its strange... I can wake it up with the remote... but then it locks up..

[16:51:08]

JohnQ:

Or I can Ctrl-Alt-F1, but then I cant log in..

[16:51:09]

fryfrog:

Though, since an pvr 150 is $50 and a 500 is $140, i'd buy 3x PVR 150s

[16:51:11]

hjohnson:

i'm happy..

[16:51:30]

fryfrog:

antiPosix: poth

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fryfrog:

antiPosix: both i mean

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JohnQ:

already have a 500... and I heard 500s and 150s dont like each other.

[16:51:43]

fryfrog:

JohnQ: they should be fine

[16:51:52]

JohnQ:

and I cant log in to do a dmesg.

[16:51:57]

fryfrog:

they use the same ivtv driver, so in theory it shouldn't be a problem

[16:52:12]

JohnQ:

ya... but I heard somone say there was an issue with that.

[16:52:15]

Pryon:

Hmmmm. There's a review on newegg for the 500 that says "IVTV drivers and use in MythTV not so great yet with the new Samsung tuners on this card." Are there many different 500s out there? Should any recent one be okay?

[16:52:16]

fryfrog:

though, my current board doesn't have *room* for 3–4 pvr 150s

[16:52:32]

hjohnson:

my main machine, when heavily loaded, sits at a nice comfortable 48C

[16:52:41]

fryfrog:

Pryon: the "recent" ones are the ones with the new tuner. You could look for an ebay one or wait for support

[16:52:59]

hjohnson:

the support is coming together aparently.

[16:53:01]

Pryon:

Okay. I guess I could just get another 150.

[16:53:16]

hjohnson:

since Hans got the data sheet for the samsung tuners.

[16:53:26]

antiPosix:

are all PVR150's the same(I'm not talking about whether or not it comes with a remote/blaster)

[16:53:35]

hjohnson:

you know, it would be nice if I had something to stick in the PCI-e slots in my motherboard.

[16:53:41]

fryfrog:

Pryon: or just wait a bit :)

[16:53:42]

ServerSage:

Ediehow: If you use dishnetwork, this guy wrote a proggy to change channels without a blaster: http://www.cnpbagwell.com/MythTV/HomePage

[16:53:44]

Pryon:

But after having crap signal (I assume) ruining any recording for the last couple days, I'm afraid to split the cable yet again.

[16:53:48]

fryfrog:

hjohnson: yeah, no shit :p

[16:53:58]

hjohnson:

antiPosix: doubtful... Hauppauge seems to change tuner models as often as I change my underwear. :)

[16:53:59]

ServerSage:

Ediehow: See what 2 minutes with google search can teach you? :)

[16:54:02]

fryfrog:

Pryon: get an amp

[16:54:09]

Ediehow:

ServerSage, i am at that page

[16:54:10]

Ediehow:

did you notice

[16:54:14]

Ediehow:

Building Serial Port IRBlaster

[16:54:21]

Ediehow:

he is using an ir blaster

[16:54:23]

Pryon:

Hmmmm. I might have one lying about...

[16:54:26]

hjohnson:

I'd be tempted by digital cable, except that the local cable company has turned on the 5C flag for virtually everything.

[16:54:37]

JohnQ:

from the logs, it looks like my kernel oopsed last night around 11:30p.. and again around 3am.. and then didnt respond until the reboot half an hour ago.

[16:54:42]

hjohnson:

Pryon: are you on a 500 or 150?

[16:54:56]

hjohnson:

the 500 has an issue because the current driver isn't turning on the LNA in the tuner properly.

[16:55:15]

hjohnson:

i'm just lucky that the ivtv drivers are stable on an AMD-64 box

[16:55:33]

Ediehow:

ServerSage, basically this is where i am. i have a computer with no serial ports but i have a serial to usb adapter, and i am getting dishnetwork

[16:55:33]

nadia007:

so the 500 has issues?? that's not good... expensive card for it not to work?!

[16:55:42]

JohnQ:

works fine for me...

[16:55:56]

Honk^away:

what kind of issues? =)

[16:56:18]

hjohnson:

nadia007: the only issues are because Hauppauge changed the tuner module, so the driver has to be updated to support the new tuner.

[16:56:25]

hjohnson:

otherwise it's stable.

[16:56:46]

Honk^away:

and.. whats a lna? =)

[16:56:56]

hjohnson:

it's kind of cute how they built the PVR-500 though.. just integrate a cable splitter, and then two separate PVR-150s with a PCI bridge chip.

[16:56:58]

nadia007:

so as of now... it's quirky but you're waiting for the drivers?

[16:57:02]

hjohnson:

LNA — Low Noise Amplifier.

[16:57:18]

Honk^away:

thought so.. how can you tell that it's not working? =D

[16:57:29]

ServerSage:

Ediehow: Some dishnetwork receivers have a rj6 connector on them that you can make a cable for.

[16:57:29]

hjohnson:

nadia007: as of now it just looks like a really weak cable signal on tuner 0, tuner 1 is a little over-saturated.

[16:57:47]

Ediehow:

:O

[16:57:55]

JohnQ:

Honestly.. I have no problems with either of the signals on my 500...

[16:57:57]

ServerSage:

I just dug out my receiver. It was a Sony DirecTV receiver. It has a serial port on the back.

[16:58:15]

hjohnson:

JohnQ: it boils down to which revision you have, and what tuners it has on it.

[16:58:19]

Honk^away:

JohnQ: my signals on both tuners are a bit bad.. but i guess that's just cuz my signal is bad =)

[16:58:28]

hjohnson:

the problem is with the samsung tuners... the older PVR-500s are fine, since they have Phillips? tuners.

[16:58:29]

ServerSage:

Ediehow: Actually, here is a non-myth related page that gives some info about this: http://www.snapstream.com/Community/Articles/externaltuners/

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Ediehow:

i just wish i could get a simple answer about a usb blaster that would work

[16:59:35]

hjohnson:

ok, I should do something productive today.

[16:59:35]

Ediehow:

lirc mailing list won't tell me

[17:01:03]

Honk^away:

hjohnson: do you have any links for informations on that issue?

[17:01:26]

nadia007:

thx gents... see you in a bit.

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ivor:

is it possible/does anyone playback dvd images (i.e. dvd filesystem copies) through mythvideo?

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coldstea1:

hows this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16856101002

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Pryon:

hjohnson: it's a 150. Normally everything's fine. Now and again, though, I get lots of mpeg2video error messages. I'm assuming it's due to bad signal quality. I'm prepared to be educated otherwise! :-)

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Ediehow:

MyBlaster products interface with: SnapStream Media ShowShifter MythTV. [Linux/MythTV users should purchase the MyBlaster/Serial and add a USB converter, if desired. The native MyBlaster/USB does not have a Linux driver]

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Ediehow:

i don't get it

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nandy_:

is it normal that when viewing TV the image looks better (not as choppy? or maybe not as grainy?) when using Svideo instead of DVI->HDMI ?

[17:05:31]

Ediehow:

does this mean other serial IR blasters work with a serial to usb converter?

[17:06:33]

hjohnson:

Pryon: no, that wouldn't be a signal issue

[17:06:38]

Pryon:

Hmmmm.

[17:06:43]

hjohnson:

since the video encoder will hapilly enocde static if that's what its getting.

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coldstea1:

hjohnson: hows this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16856101002

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Ediehow:

hi Kobaz

[17:08:36]

Ediehow:

hi kormoc

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Ediehow:

do you use satellite?

[17:08:42]

kormoc:

mornin'

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kormoc:

nope

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nandy_:

kormoc: is it normal that when viewing TV the image looks better (not as choppy? or maybe not as grainy?) when using Svideo instead of DVI->HDMI ?

[17:10:58]

Ediehow:

anyone used an ir blaster with a serial to usb converter?

[17:11:03]

kormoc:

nandy_, not usually, no

[17:11:15]

nandy_:

hhmmmmm

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kormoc:

nandy_, but it would depend on the quality of the dvi->dhmi adapter

[17:11:32]

nandy_:

its a hdmi cable

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nandy_:

with a addapter at the end

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nandy_:

i wonder if thats creating loss

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kormoc:

all depends on the quality of that adapter

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nandy_:

its quality is "$30"

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nandy_:

:P

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coldstea1:

for a vid card do i get it for PCI Express x16 or PCI Express x1

[17:16:08]

nandy_:

16

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kormoc:

usually all video cards are 16x but will work in a 1x slot, just really slowly

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kormoc:

1/16th as fast surprisingly

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coldstea1:

thx

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Pryon:

ohhhh. ivtv upgrade. snarfing.

[17:25:22]

hjohnson:

hmm? all an HDMI->DVI adapter is a connector changer.. you can't "degrate" digital signals in the conventional sense.. this isn't analog..

[17:25:26]

hjohnson:

either it will work or it won't work.

[17:25:57]

kormoc:

hjohnson, it was saying it was 'skipping', which means the digital signal was going away

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kormoc:

hjohnson, which is exactly what a bad connector can cause

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Ediehow:

anyone used an ir blaster with serial converter?

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simcop2387:

how do i stop the gallery from coming up on media insertion?

[17:37:35]

coldstea1:

okay whats the most common video card for myth?

[17:38:46]

kormoc:

a nvidia card

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kormoc:

usually a 5200 or higher is recommended

[17:38:59]

kormoc:

I love my 6200

[17:39:14]

kormoc:

simcop2387, disable cd drive monitoring?

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antiPosix:

ok, this is weird. since upgrading to .20 I cant get anything to automatically transcode. I just created a new scheduling. and told it to transcode at high quality as a post-recording-processing option. All it did was commflag it.

[17:41:05]

simcop2387:

kormoc: yea i was hoping i could do it without that since i like it when dvd's go, but i just don't want the gallery to do it :)

[17:41:23]

antiPosix:

and my database is brand new

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simcop2387:

hmm

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kormoc:

antiPosix, enable logging to the db and see what happened

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antiPosix:

how do I enable logging to the db

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gardengnome:

how do i see what happened?

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gardengnome:

antiPosix: you could also look at the backend status page (in mythweb). some transcoding jobs error for me, but i haven't had time yet to investigate

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kormoc:

gardengnome, mythweb has a log viewer page for those logs

[17:43:27]

kormoc:

antiPosix, it's in mythtv-setup

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Ediehow:

hi kormoc

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hjohnson:

kormoc: I thought you had a PVR-150?

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Ediehow:

anyone know about ir blasters and serial to usb converters?

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kormoc:

hjohnson, I have a m179, which is a rebranded pvr 250

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Ediehow:

J-e-f-f-A, you there?

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hjohnson:

kormoc: ok.. I was under the impression that the PVR cards didn't actually care about the RF signal coming in and would hapilly encode whatever video signal is sent to them, even if its "ant farm"

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gardengnome:

kormoc: i know. i was just trollin' ;)

[17:45:29]

kormoc:

hjohnson, sure, that is correct

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simcop2387:

Ediehow: well i know the recievers don't work with those converters, but the transmitters are much simpler and could possibly work

[17:45:48]

kormoc:

fair nuff gardengnome

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Ediehow:

simcop2387, transmitter meaning blaster?

[17:46:16]

Ediehow:

or remote?

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kormoc:

transmitter == blaster

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Ediehow:

i'm lost

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Ediehow:

because i'm currently using a serial remote with a serial to usb connector and it works

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simcop2387:

Ediehow: blaster

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kormoc:

so if it works, why ask about it?

[17:47:38]

Ediehow:

kormoc, are you following the conversation?

[17:47:39]

simcop2387:

Ediehow: some recievers might work, but i know the homebrew ones won't because of interrupt problems

[17:47:52]

Ediehow:

simcop2387, well, i kept hearing that blasters do not work with the converters

[17:48:01]

Ediehow:

J-e-f-f-A, told me they did not as well

[17:48:21]

kormoc:

yeah, which makes sense, given how they work

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Ediehow:

but now simcop2387 is saying they do

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kormoc:

actually, he said it might

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kormoc:

which it might

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kormoc:

or might not

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kormoc:

depending on your hardware and drivers

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simcop2387:

Ediehow: only way to find out, is to try

[17:49:07]

Ediehow:

well, the reason i was thinking now that they do is

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Ediehow:

this

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Ediehow:

MyBlaster products interface with: SnapStream Media ShowShifter MythTV. [Linux/MythTV users should purchase the MyBlaster/Serial and add a USB converter, if desired. The native MyBlaster/USB does not have a Linux driver]

[17:49:51]

Ediehow:

that seems to say the myblaster serial works with the converter in linux

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simcop2387:

sounds good to me

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simcop2387:

i'd imagine the blasters would be more likely to work, since the circuit can be so very simple and doesn't require interrupt timing like the homebrew recievers do

[17:50:05]

Ediehow:

but does that mean the cheap ones from irblaster.info work as well?

[17:50:16]

Ediehow:

simcop2387, J-e-f-f-A explained just the opposite to me:O

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Ediehow:

something about turning on and off or something

[17:50:26]

RyeBrye:

I think that CompUSA has a pricing error on this item... plus they are listed as out-of-stock :( http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info. . . . mote_Control

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RyeBrye:

But that is a USB IR Receiver

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Ediehow:

RyeBrye, yes, but does it work w/mythtv?

[17:50:53]

RyeBrye:

(next best price I've seen is $60)

[17:51:02]

RyeBrye:

Yeah, it does, but nobody sells it that cheap

[17:51:16]

RyeBrye:

Or let me qualify that – it has LIRC support... I've not tested it or worked with it

[17:51:17]

Ediehow:

err

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simcop2387:

Ediehow: heh there is another issue with the usb converters possibly, power, they may not provide enough for a transmitter

[17:51:19]

Ediehow:

that's just a remote

[17:51:31]

Ediehow:

RyeBrye, i think that's just a remote

[17:51:40]

Ediehow:

i need something that interfaces with stallite box

[17:51:50]

RyeBrye:

No, it's a remote and an IR receiver that has a glowing blue base

[17:52:14]

simcop2387:

Ediehow: i'm looking for a similar thing for my parents

[17:52:14]

RyeBrye:

http://venky.ws/projects/imon/ is the drivers for it

[17:52:34]

Ediehow:

ok,kormoc just said the transmitter was the blaster portion

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RyeBrye:

Oh – you actually need a blaster...

[17:53:37]

RyeBrye:

What are you controlling?

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Ediehow:

yes:)

[17:53:43]

Ediehow:

i want to get a dishnetwork box

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RyeBrye:

... you know... you could just save yourself the hassle and go with DirecTV ;)

[17:54:01]

RyeBrye:

and user serial control

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Ediehow:

i hear dishnetwork is cheaper

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Ediehow:

and i don't have serial ports

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, but Serial -> USB would actually work for serial control

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simcop2387:

RyeBrye: not all recievers have the serial control :( my parents doesn't

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Ediehow:

dishnetwork doesn't have boxes with serial control?

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RyeBrye:

Nope

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Ediehow:

none of them?

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RyeBrye:

And Dishnetwork owns your box, not you

[17:54:47]

RyeBrye:

DirectTV – you own your box

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Ediehow:

i heard directv was not as good

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Ediehow:

isn't it more expensive, too?

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RyeBrye:

I think it might be. I'm not sure – I haven't compared pricing in a while

[17:55:50]

RyeBrye:

I think that DirecTV base package has more channels, which is part of why they are more expensive – but I'm not sure

[17:55:59]

RyeBrye:

I know you have to pay extra for local channels (why, I don't know)

[17:56:04]

RyeBrye:

I've used both

[17:56:22]

RyeBrye:

I prefered DirecTV -but that's also because I had a DirecTiVo and with DISH I had one of their Dish PVRs

[17:56:54]

RyeBrye:

Now my home-owners association is switching from a group DirecTV plan to a local cable provider – and when we switch I will use my MythBox that I recently built instead of my DirecTiVo

[17:57:23]

RyeBrye:

As far as signal quality goes – I haven't had problems with either

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Ediehow:

hi

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Ediehow:

<Ediehow> none of them?

[17:58:47]

Ediehow:

<RyeBrye> And Dishnetwork owns your box, not you

[17:58:47]

Ediehow:

<RyeBrye> DirectTV – you own your box

[17:58:47]

Ediehow:

<Ediehow> i heard directv was not as good

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Ediehow:

<Ediehow> isn't it more expensive, too?

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Ediehow:

what happened after that?

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RyeBrye:

RyeBrye I think it might be. I'm not sure – I haven't compared pricing in a while

[17:59:02]

RyeBrye:

RyeBrye I think that DirecTV base package has more channels, which is part of why they are more expensive – but I'm not sure

[17:59:02]

RyeBrye:

RyeBrye I know you have to pay extra for local channels (why, I don't know)

[17:59:02]

RyeBrye:

11:56 RyeBrye I've used both

[17:59:02]

RyeBrye:

RyeBrye I prefered DirecTV -but that's also because I had a DirecTiVo and with DISH I had one of their Dish PVRs

[17:59:05]

RyeBrye:

RyeBrye Now my home-owners association is switching from a group DirecTV plan to a local cable provider – and when we switch I will use my MythBox that I recently built instead of my DirecTiVo

[17:59:07]

** simcop2387 plans on never moving to a place with a home owners association thats run by some busy body that wants to decide how people live **

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RyeBrye:

simcop2387 – FORTUNATELY, I'm good friends with the HOA president... I actually nominated him...

[17:59:58]

RyeBrye:

I'm actually in favor of the switch for two reasons: 1 – it will be cheaper, and 2 – Our internet provider is tied to the DirecTV deal, and the service is horrible

[18:00:26]

** RyeBrye has no public IP at home, a 4 gig bandwidth cap per month, and service that seems to go out every weekend for no reason from his current ISP **

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simcop2387:

RyeBrye: thats always a good thing, yea things like that i don't mind too much, its the ones that try to tell people how many trees they can have in their front yard, and how they need to be trimmed...

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simcop2387:

oh and what color paint every house should be :)

[18:01:23]

RyeBrye:

simcop2387 – I hear you on that... Our HOA is pretty good about that kind of stuff... We're all pretty good friends so things run smoothly... and we don't have anyone trying to go crazy

[18:02:27]

RyeBrye:

Ediehow: The "Family Choice" plan seems to give you 40 channels + locals for only $29.99 a month

[18:02:49]

simcop2387:

yea my uncle lived in a place for a while that tried to require the entire neighborhood to hire the presidents son to mow everyones lawn for $30/hr

[18:02:57]

RyeBrye:

that's funny :)

[18:03:00]

simcop2387:

that didn't go over well

[18:03:09]

RyeBrye:

Yeah... I'd vote out that president pronto

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Ediehow:

sheesh

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Ediehow:

* simcop2387 plans on never moving to a place with a home owners association thats run by some busy body that wants to decide how people live

[18:03:50]

RyeBrye:

Ediehow: you get bumped a lot :)

[18:03:53]

Ediehow:

<Ediehow> RyeBrye, wow, that stinks

[18:03:55]

Ediehow:

<Ediehow> i don't need tons of channels

[18:03:57]

Ediehow:

<Ediehow> doesn't dishnetwork have local channels

[18:03:59]

Ediehow:

apparently so

[18:04:07]

Ediehow:

does dishnetwork get local channels?

[18:04:10]

antiPosix:

if I change a setting using mythweb(like the autotranscode option) do i need to cycle mythbackend?

[18:04:12]

RyeBrye:

Yeah, Dish does also

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RyeBrye:

Dish and DirecTV

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Ediehow:

man

[18:04:21]

Ediehow:

if it's cheaper

[18:04:24]

Ediehow:

i don't see why not to use dish

[18:04:35]

RyeBrye:

How much is a month?

[18:04:42]

RyeBrye:

DirecTV has a plan with 40 channels + locals for $29.99

[18:04:45]

Ediehow:

i don't know, i just keep hearing it's cheaper

[18:04:49]

Ediehow:

wow reallly?

[18:04:51]

Ediehow:

for how long?

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RyeBrye:

Yeah

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Ediehow:

6 months?

[18:05:01]

RyeBrye:

I'm not sure – it's on their main page... It's called the "family choice" plan

[18:05:08]

Ediehow:

do you know if you get cable news?

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RyeBrye:

It doesn't seem like a promotional "hook you and screw you" plan

[18:05:15]

fryfrog:

my only problem with satalite is HD :(

[18:05:32]

** RyeBrye should send you an affiliate link to a DirecTV provider he has... if you end up going with them ;) **

[18:06:01]

Ediehow:

RyeBrye, so what box do i need that i can use with my serial to usb converter?

[18:07:09]

fryfrog:

Ediehow: If you do IR, I think it can be trained to work with any of them

[18:07:19]

RyeBrye:

Let me find the page

[18:07:25]

fryfrog:

Ediehow: if you do serial to the box, i think yhou need a specific one

[18:07:43]

Ediehow:

looks like that 29.99 thing doesn't have cable news

[18:07:46]

Ediehow:

fox or cnn

[18:07:51]

Ediehow:

that stinks

[18:07:53]

Ediehow:

otherwise i'd get it

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RyeBrye:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Controll . . . D11_via_USB.

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RyeBrye:

Yeah...

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Ediehow:

so a serial TO usb converter is called usb->serial adapter?

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RyeBrye:

So back to the blaster problem :)

[18:09:34]

RyeBrye:

Yeah

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RyeBrye:

RS232 is another name for serial

[18:09:56]

RyeBrye:

RS-232 to USB would probably yield a lot of product searches

[18:10:18]

Ediehow:

i knew rs232 was same as serial, but for some reason the order it used made it sound like usb to serial

[18:10:22]

Ediehow:

but i guess that wouldnt make sense

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simcop2387:

yay! i got my xv controls back!

[18:12:19]

fryfrog:

serial is 2 way communication

[18:12:35]

fryfrog:

so calling it "usb -> serial" or "serial -> usb" is the same thing

[18:12:56]

Ediehow:

well i guess referring to that it always plugs into the usb port on computer

[18:13:17]

simcop2387:

hmm a serial port to usb converter.... :)

[18:13:21]

fryfrog:

true

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simcop2387:

use your serial ports for usb :)

[18:13:30]

fryfrog:

ahah

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Ediehow:

fryfrog, do you know anything about serial ir blaster to usb adapter?

[18:13:39]

fryfrog:

that'd be funy :)

[18:13:44]

sigger:

only read part of the above, but usb->serial doesn't work with lirc if that's what you're looking for

[18:13:59]

Ediehow:

sigger, i am already using it with lirc

[18:14:02]

Ediehow:

and it works

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sigger:

huh

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fryfrog:

Ediehow: no, sorry the only thing I ever did was serial -> serial on a box that had a script for it

[18:14:11]

Ediehow:

however, that's for a remote, i have not tried it with a blaster

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fryfrog:

sigger: to linux, the usb device appears as a serial port. why would it *not* work?

[18:14:54]

sigger:

hmm, not only have I tried (which I give no weight) but the lirc website and maillists go on and on how it doesn't work

[18:15:02]

Ediehow:

ok, this is dumb

[18:15:15]

RyeBrye:

For blasters, I believe the reason USB -> Serial doesn't work is because the USB adapter can't force the IR LED to oscillate at 40 kHZ or whatever freq is necessary

[18:15:20]

Ediehow:

dishnetwork's 19.99 package has cnbc, cnn, but not fox included

[18:15:48]

Ediehow:

well, so for $30 i can get the channels i want with dishnetwork

[18:15:51]

Ediehow:

but not with directv

[18:16:19]

Ediehow:

oh, it's $5 extra a month for local channels

[18:16:19]

sigger:

Ediehow: you use the lirc_serial driver with a /dev/usb/something device? I wanna try this

[18:16:27]

RyeBrye:

Yeah.

[18:17:10]

Ediehow:

sigger, i am using pl2303 driver

[18:17:12]

Ediehow:

module

[18:17:24]

Ediehow:

and i just tell lirc to use /dev/ttyUSB0 or whatever

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sigger:

cool – thanks. will play when I get home :)

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Ediehow:

so the question remains, can ir blaster work with usb->serial?

[18:19:03]

simcop2387:

try the lirc mailing lists

[18:19:05]

RyeBrye:

I remember hearing someone say for a while that IR blasters don't work with USB->serial for the reason that it can't drive the transmitter at a high enough frequency...

[18:19:14]

fryfrog:

ah, i see

[18:19:15]

simcop2387:

if we don't know they will

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Ediehow:

simcop2387, i did:( no answer

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fryfrog:

learn something new every day :)

[18:19:23]

simcop2387:

ah that was you?

[18:21:35]

Ediehow:

yeah, it looks like dishnetworkw ill be cheaper for me

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FarrisG:

HOw/where do you configure the audio codecs/settings used when recording? Everything seems to be recording one channel or 2-channel stereo, I'm not getting the full digital/5.1 stream

[18:22:13]

RyeBrye:

How many rooms are you putting it in?

[18:22:15]

RyeBrye:

Ediehow?

[18:22:30]

Ediehow:

1 or 2 at most

[18:22:34]

Ediehow:

but most likely 1

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kormoc:

FarrisG, in the card setup, that would be the only place

[18:23:13]

FarrisG:

kormoc: What do you mean card setup? I don't have a "card", I'm using firewire

[18:23:16]

RyeBrye:

These guys might give you a better deal that going straight to Dish: http://tinyurl.com/jf3nj

[18:24:01]

RyeBrye:

Sometimes resellers have better deals than the big boys

[18:24:01]

kormoc:

FarrisG, and how did you tell myth to use it?

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FarrisG:

kormoc: In the capture settings within mythtv-setup, but I don't see any audio options

[18:25:09]

kormoc:

FarrisG, well, that would indicate that there's just none to set then

[18:25:18]

Ediehow:

i just need a hardware solution

[18:25:30]

RyeBrye:

Ediehow? for what? the programming?

[18:25:34]

RyeBrye:

You already have dish?

[18:25:55]

Ediehow:

nomego_, i think i want dishnetwork

[18:26:01]

Ediehow:

but i don't have a hardware solution

[18:26:15]

Ediehow:

no serial ports, and i can't find out if usb to serial adapter works with blasters

[18:26:20]

kormoc:

Ediehow, get a serial port card

[18:26:27]

Ediehow:

no slots

[18:26:33]

Ediehow:

and that's kind of a waste of a slot anyway

[18:26:37]

FarrisG:

kormoc: Yeah, but there's no way my cable box is sending a 2-channel audio from a DD/DTS cable stream

[18:27:24]

RyeBrye:

Ediehow: either AllSat or DishPronto both have good deals for DishNetwork – http://tinyurl.com/rxvc9 or http://tinyurl.com/jf3nj

[18:27:31]

RyeBrye:

Ediehow: Have you looke dinto the USBUIRT? http://www.usbuirt.com/overview.htm

[18:27:36]

Ediehow:

RyeBrye, but that doesn't solve my hardware problem:O

[18:27:36]

fryfrog:

Ediehow: my *cable* box could actually change channels over firewire, did you look into that?

[18:27:38]

kormoc:

FarrisG, honestly, how do you know? and second, myth is capturing whatever the tuner is outputting, so perhaps your playback settings are wrong?

[18:28:07]

Ediehow:

yeah, i looked up the usbuirt, but i couldnt find out if it works with lirc

[18:28:11]

RyeBrye:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/USB-UIRT

[18:28:24]

RyeBrye:

That looks like it should work with those patches, shouldn't it?

[18:28:38]

Ediehow:

i just dont ant to buy something then it not work

[18:28:41]

Ediehow:

hmm, i see

[18:28:51]

Ediehow:

i wonder if lirc 8.0 works with it

[18:28:58]

RyeBrye:

Good question

[18:29:09]

Ediehow:

ok, so that means it works with linux

[18:29:15]

Ediehow:

so does that mean it would work with a dishnetwork box?

[18:29:38]

RyeBrye:

The IR part is the important part to get it to work with Dish

[18:29:38]

Ediehow:

i mean, i'd like to find out for sure before ordering and signing a contract

[18:29:44]

RyeBrye:

Right

[18:30:20]

Ediehow:

so i can use my existing remote and the dishnetwork box with this usb-uirt?

[18:33:47]

Ediehow:

RyeBrye, ?

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fryfrog:

Ediehow: buy a usb-serial device, try and use it contontrol you *cable* box or anything else with ir

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fryfrog:

the usb->serial is cheap :)

[18:35:00]

Ediehow:

fryfrog, i have a usb serial device now

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Ediehow:

i use it with my remote for mythtv

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FarrisG:

kormoc: I'm fairly certain the cable box itself is passing the full AC3 stream in and MythTV is somehow converting it

[18:35:27]

antiPosix:

I wrote a simple perl script for identifying whats what inside /mnt/store. http://sial.org/pbot/19984 so typing: vidis.pl 1102912.nuv would reveal the info about the file.

[18:35:40]

antiPosix:

I'm sure this can be done using some myth tool, but I didnt know how

[18:36:02]

Juski:

damn. ntl are renumbering my channels tomorrow :-|

[18:36:57]

Juski:

and the stb will be getting another 'upgrade'. so then mythtv will change channels doubly faster than the stb

[18:37:18]

drdaz:

anybody here using 0.20 with a Twinhan Cab-CI or similar? (DST-type card)

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gardengnome:

Juski: have fun!

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Ediehow:

RyeBrye, did you fall off the planet?

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RyeBrye:

Ediehow: sorry – I'm at work and had to actually do work for a second

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fryfrog:

damn work!

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RyeBrye:

Ediehow: Yes, if that USBUIRT worked with LIRC, it looks like you could configure it to use your same remote that controls MYTH to control the Dish box

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RyeBrye:

You would want to use either that – or if your dish box had more buttons, take that one

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RyeBrye:

and basically tape the USBUIRT to the front of the Dish box and cover any outside inputs from it so only the USBUIRT can send signal to it

[18:51:16]

RyeBrye:

(if you were using the Dish remote)

[18:51:37]

RyeBrye:

Ediehow: did those other dish network resellers have any better deals?

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lotia:

apologies if this is OT, but any recommendations on a replacement for a thermaltake big typhoon CPU cooler

[19:00:28]

hjohnson:

I'm just using an AMD opteron cooler on my Athlon 64. :p

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lotia:

unfortunately i'm a p4 guy. have a p4 3.0 in a silverstone lc-01 and it runs HOT

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gbee:

reason #43 to not use Intel :p

[19:05:35]

gardengnome:

get a core 2 duo. :)

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[19:06:03]

D-side:

if i were buying a new proc today it would without a doubt be a core 2 duo

[19:06:39]

drdaz:

... if I were buying *a whole new system* then maybe.. but all my other parts would have to go up in smoke first

[19:07:04]

gardengnome:

D-side: if there were any sensible motherboards, i'd have bought one already.

[19:07:18]

drdaz:

total build cost is higher.. and pretty much all the other hardware I have won't fit

[19:08:25]

gbee:

I've probably lost objectivity but unless AMD go bust I doubt I'll ever go back to Intel

[19:08:37]

drdaz:

that's the spirit!

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Juski:

gardengnome: fun? wassat? :-P

[19:08:46]

drdaz:

sadly I want a mac :-|

[19:08:57]

gardengnome:

gbee: you probably did :) the new intel cpus are good. amd is not bad either *sigh*

[19:09:25]

lotia:

considering replacing my case, cooler and PS, but can't find a good alternative to the Silverstone.

[19:09:39]

lotia:

i have an integrated frontend backend machine.

[19:09:42]

RyeBrye:

Here's an interesting question:

[19:09:54]

RyeBrye:

OH

[19:09:54]

RyeBrye:

NM

[19:09:57]

RyeBrye:

It's not interesting

[19:10:04]

** RyeBrye answered his own question before asking it **

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drdaz:

that happens alot

[19:10:17]

Juski:

arghhh I know I should never have let someone else use this machine

[19:10:39]

Juski:

anything now typed into firefox windows get scrambled up, anagram style

[19:10:48]

lotia:

in other news did the silicondust hdhomerun already get QAM functionality?

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Juski:

hmmm what kind of trojan/virus would turn "keyboard" into "keyoardb" in firefix input spaces? this is weird

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fryfrog:

could someone have changed your locale?

[19:18:05]

hjohnson:

Juski: don't think there's anything that would do that.

[19:18:53]

RyeBrye:

Juski: the fat fingers virus

[19:18:57]

RyeBrye:

I get it when I type too fast

[19:18:58]

RyeBrye:

;)

[19:19:03]

hjohnson:

lol

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gardengnome:

RyeBrye: yeah, if you get closer to the speed of light, the mass of your fingers increases

[19:19:33]

RyeBrye:

gardengnome: tyes OI thitnk tgs you ar are dtatl right

[19:19:48]

gardengnome:

true

[19:19:53]

RyeBrye:

= "yes I think you are exactly right" typed at a speed near the speed of light

[19:20:10]

Juski:

Ryebrye.. it's not typing too fast

[19:20:23]

gardengnome:

RyeBrye: but it's a great workout

[19:20:26]

Juski:

I can type it with one finger & see the letters re-arrange before my very own eyes

[19:20:47]

gbee:

heh, perhaps appropriately I've just typo'd modprobe as modprove for the 10th time tonight

[19:20:48]

RyeBrye:

Wow.

[19:21:12]

fryfrog:

Juski: wtfk :p

[19:21:16]

RyeBrye:

On old Mac OS classic there was a "no vowels" proggie that I accidently installed from some joke CD

[19:21:19]

fryfrog:

or should i say, ftw!

[19:21:28]

hjohnson:

RyeBrye: hehe

[19:21:48]

RyeBrye:

I always type "modprobe" to "modeprobe"

[19:22:10]

RyeBrye:

whenever I go to edit modprobe.conf I always wonder why the file is empty

[19:22:20]

RyeBrye:

until I realize it's "modeprobe.conf" that I'm editing...

[19:22:23]

Juski:

I'd suspect my keyboard but I can type at the full (correct) rate in this ssh without any issues

[19:22:30]

RyeBrye:

Yeah

[19:22:32]

fryfrog:

anyone ever "grown" a raid5 array adding another drive?

[19:22:37]

hjohnson:

fryfrog: not yet.

[19:22:38]

RyeBrye:

Juski: what OS?

[19:22:48]

Juski:

RyeBrye: windows xp (cough)

[19:23:03]

RyeBrye:

If it's only in FF, maybe it's an FF extension?

[19:23:18]

Juski:

maybe

[19:23:38]

gardengnome:

maybe it's FF being a POS again?

[19:23:57]

scopeuk:

ff onwindowsa isent that great atm

[19:23:59]

gbee:

RyeBrye: I remember quite a few similar shareware jokes that went around for MS-DOS and Windows 3.1 in the day

[19:24:05]

Juski:

erm... I'm getting beeps in my speakers now...

[19:24:13]

scopeuk:

that message brought to you by a loyal opera convert

[19:24:48]

Juski:

scopeuk: stuff I type into FF portals looks like you typed it

[19:24:48]

hjohnson:

RyeBrye: I remember one that you could use to make the energizer bunny go accross the bottom of screens.. and remote control it via the network.

[19:24:56]

hjohnson:

we had great fun with that in the computer labs at my school

[19:24:57]

gbee:

I used to be an opera fan, but have slowly slipped into using Firefox

[19:26:13]

Juski:

bleh. all we had was 'BBC model B' and 'BBC Masters'.. was fun reconfiguring a room full of them to start speaking "fuck off" at a predetermined time

[19:26:29]

gbee:

think it mostly had to do with the lack of a 64bit version of Opera ... not that there would be any difference between a 32bit and 64bit version :/

[19:27:13]

drdaz:

Juski: did u never get to toy with the Archimedes'?

[19:27:27]

Juski:

that PoS? for about 5 minutes

[19:27:32]

drdaz:

heh

[19:27:46]

Juski:

arrr-crummidies as we called it

[19:27:52]

** hjohnson once had a trash-80 **

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gbee:

Juski: heh, during the short period we had access to the BBCs at school all we ever did was to write programs for those damn turtles

[19:28:04]

Juski:

but then, that was back in the day when I used to say I'd be dead before I'd own a PC

[19:28:16]

Juski:

hjohnson: me too. cruel parents, eh?

[19:28:27]

hjohnson:

lol

[19:28:32]

hjohnson:

then it was replaced by an XT

[19:28:37]

Juski:

"you want games? you program them yourself!"

[19:28:40]

hjohnson:

then a PowerMac.

[19:28:58]

hjohnson:

I also had 286s and 386s that I built myself.

[19:29:20]

Juski:

boy could I program it though... made a sound sampler with it. only good for 1.5khz like but it worked until my amp went faulty & took out the PIA

[19:30:22]

gbee:

once wrote a game in basic from one of those books, never got it working properly – the hassle of finding the typos didn't seem worth it in the end

[19:31:29]

scopeuk:

Juski it must be seriously broken

[19:31:36]

Juski:

I spent about 2 weeks of a summer holiday coding a pacman game on a zx81... though I never cracked the issue of making the ghosts chase me round the screen

[19:31:50]

scopeuk:

Juski istater on ff and slipped into opera from the first tiem i tried it

[19:32:10]

gbee:

it was a RPG – whenever you went east at the wizard or something you always ended up back at the same place

[19:32:54]

gbee:

now I doubt I'd have any trouble fixing it – but I was only 8 at the time

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** RyeBrye is an opera fan **

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** RyeBrye loves mouse gestures **

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scopeuk:

i liek the scaling/zooming in opera

[19:36:29]

scopeuk:

ctrl+ scroll wheel resizes everything

[19:36:32]

scopeuk:

even flash and videos

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drdaz:

I just mash my face up against the screen

[19:37:02]

drdaz:

need to wipe it off now and again, but..

[19:37:03]

jason223:

is there a way to modify "nvidia-settings" From the command line? I'm SSHing into my mythbox and don't want to have to hook up a keyboard

[19:37:22]

scopeuk:

lol

[19:37:25]

gardengnome:

jason223: vim .nvidia-settings.rc or how ever it's called

[19:37:34]

scopeuk:

knwo the feelig ni ru na 17 inch monitor at 1600x1200

[19:37:54]

gardengnome:

scopeuk: SPELLING!!!!

[19:38:07]

D-side:

gardengnome: in his defense, its not entirely his fault

[19:38:10]

drdaz:

h33 si teh druNk?

[19:38:18]

jason223:

gardengnome: I typed that and it said "vim: command not found"

[19:38:25]

D-side:

he's a lazy bastard with dyslexia.

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drdaz:

:D

[19:38:32]

scopeuk:

not a good combination

[19:38:39]

scopeuk:

D-side lazy bastard whould have surficed

[19:38:43]

D-side:

half of that he can change, but choses not to.

[19:38:44]

gardengnome:

D-side: i know.

[19:38:46]

scopeuk:

i dont find dyslexia a valid excuse

[19:38:59]

gardengnome:

jason223: substitute vim with your favourite editor

[19:39:00]

D-side:

scopeuk: well i didnt mean to air any "dirty laundry".

[19:39:02]

scopeuk:

D-side i chose to then a iforget and drop back into old habits

[19:39:08]

scopeuk:

D-side np

[19:39:12]

D-side:

scopeuk: so my apologies if that was inappropriate

[19:39:17]

scopeuk:

no no its fine

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RyeBrye:

jason223: use vi instead of vim

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scopeuk:

i dont find it embaresign or anyhting

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scopeuk:

but its not a good enough excuse

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scopeuk:

and god i did it all again

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scopeuk:

i need to get a keyboard that schocks me when i mis-type something maby that way i'll learn

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jason223:

gardengnome: It doesn't seem to have a file there, I keep getting a blank text document. What is the name of the file I should be opening? The command to open the GUI is nvidia-settings

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RyeBrye:

just use tab to autocomplete

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RyeBrye:

or ls as an su and see the files

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stuarta:

evening all

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scopeuk:

hi

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jason223:

which folder would nvidia-settings be found under?

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Juski:

evening stuarta

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Juski:

jason223: you need to install it

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jason223:

Juski: It already is (I'm using knoppmyth)

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jason223:

Juski: I'm trying to modify it from the command line, as I can't use the GUI over SSH

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gardengnome:

jason223: type ls -al | grep nvidia

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jason223:

gardengnome: I did... nothing happened

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Juski:

jason223: modify it?

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Juski:

nvidia-settings --help

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jason223:

Juski: When I typed that it gives me the same error I get, which is a gtk error

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jason223:

I'd just like to go in and tweak the hue/saturation without needing to hook up a keyboard

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scopeuk:

can you do that from inside the myth gui (or does it need to be global on system)

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scopeuk:

and it is possible to forward x over ssh wit hknoppmyth (even to windows)

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D-side:

you still make my head hurt. afk.

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scopeuk:

sorry

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scopeuk:

careless flaming fingers

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darkskiez:

for the longest time ive had great problems with myth taking my keyboard presses twice

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gbee:

darkskiez: never had that particular problem myself, I want to stop myth buffering key presses though – it gets very annoying when steping through frame by frame for editing etc

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darkskiez:

it makes it totally impossible to use and i just dunno what to do about it

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nomego_:

I'm having a problem with 0.20... primarily, trying to access anything that has to do with mythmusic gives nothing

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nomego_:

apparently, it has something to do with not finding libdirectfb

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nomego_:

and I guess that has to do with libsdl not finding libdirectfb?

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nomego_:

hmm.. ;)

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nomego_:

I'll answer my own questions for now, but I'll be back!

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gbee:

darkskiez: it's probably due to the repeat rate of your keyboard, no idea where you can alter that though

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gbee:

it would be outside of mythtv

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drdaz:

... is there really anything 'outside of mythtv'?

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drdaz:

wow I need to get out more

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drdaz:

...

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darkskiez:

gbee: its not the repeat rate on my keyboard, it doesnt double keypresses outside of myth

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kormoc:

myth uses QT to read the keyboard and all that

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darkskiez:

kormoc: i changed my keyboard repeat rate right down, and its fixed the problem, but its not a problem in any other app, which leads me to believe that the way mythtv polls the keyboard via qt is incorrect.

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darkskiez:

the repeat rate applies, but the repeat delay does not.

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kormoc:

myth uses the standard qt calls... it would be strange to be myth specific

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darkskiez:

i've just set my qt settings back to normal, it seems to have stopped

[20:20:06]

roger55:

anyone have a script handy that takes old recordings looks it up in the old database and fills it in the new mythconverg that doesn't know about them?

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darkskiez:

dunno whats going on

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kal_:

hi

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kal_:

I got this error when trying to connect to mythweb : Error at /var/www/localhost/htdocs/mythweb/includes/mythbackend.php, line 167:

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kal_:

Incompatible protocol version (mythweb=30, backend=31)

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darkskiez:

update it! :)

[20:25:00]

kal_:

i've updated it : v0.20

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kal_:

maybe it's because i've just installed phpmyadmin

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kal_:

and it says : "If this is a new installation, create MySQL's grant tables and the pmadb

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kal_:

database. NOTE: this will change the existing pma password to a random

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kal_:

string!"

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kal_:

so maybe it's a password problem

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kormoc:

no, it's not

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kal_:

okay

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kormoc:

it's a case of mythweb is still version 30 and your backend is 31

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kal_:

versions are the same : [ebuild R ] www-apps/mythweb-0.20_p11188 USE="-vhosts" 0 kB

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kal_:

[ebuild R ] media-tv/mythtv-0.20_p11281 USE="alsa dts dvb dvd mmx opengl perl vorbis xvmc (-altivec) -backendonly -crciprec -dbox2 -debug -freebox -frontendonly -hdhomerun -ieee1394 -ivtv -jack -joystick -lcd -lirc" VIDEO_CARDS="nvidia -i810 -via" 0 kB

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kormoc:

this was a 0.20-fixes checkout, correct?

[20:26:44]

kormoc:

you do need a newer version of mythweb

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kal_:

but that was working 30 minutes ago

[20:27:27]

kormoc:

and you didn't do anything?

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kal_:

i've just deleted some tables content in mysql database

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kal_:

installed phpmyadmin

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kormoc:

shouldn't have caused that...

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kal_:

restarted mythbackend

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kormoc:

that error only shows up when the backend is out of sync with mythweb

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kal_:

and now it says that

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kormoc:

www-apps/mythweb-0.20_p11188

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kormoc:

media-tv/mythtv-0.20_p11281

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kormoc:

versions are slightly different...

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kal_:

indeed !

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kal_:

lemme check if i can find the two most up to date versions

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gbee:

why do packagers insist on releasing from the fixes branch – especially as 0.20 when it's not 0.20 at all

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kormoc:

gbee, well, it wasn't as 0.20

[20:35:03]

kormoc:

gbee, it is 0.20 revision 11281

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kormoc:

and the revision number is the svn checkout number

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gbee:

which it isn't – it's revision 11281 but it's not 0.20 :)

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kal_:

i've modified manually the file /var/www/localhost/htdocs/mythweb/includes/mythbackend.php

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kal_:

And now it's working

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kormoc:

gbee, same version that myth --version will spit out

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kal_:

it's not the best solution but i don't want to recompil both package now

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** simcop2387 hugs the xv color controls, don't ever leave me again **

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gbee:

no, it isn't

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kormoc:

gbee, and issac (the guy who codes mythtv) doesn't mind, he likes packagers to do that, as it means he doesn't need to release .x packages

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kormoc:

gbee, sure it is, when you report a bug, they want the revision number of the checkout. 0.20 is just a tag

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gardengnome:

kormoc: you sure he does like packagers to do that? ;)

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kormoc:

gardengnome, he's said before that it saves him hassles

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** kormoc shrugs **

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** gardengnome shrugs, too **

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** stuarta waves things around **

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Honk^away:

gah, is there a way to increase the auto auto commecrial skip time above 6 minutes?

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gardengnome:

that can cause confusion this time because the protocol version changed. *shrugs again*

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Honk^away:

-auto :p

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gbee:

stuarta: thinking of moving back to the radiotimes data – the lack of subtitles etc for a few shows is a pain with EIT :(

[20:39:47]

stuarta:

you mean the subtitle indicator?

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stuarta:

it gets ripped out...

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gbee:

no, episode names etc

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icanicant:

is there a way to wipe the recorded program data from the DB – had a hard disk crash but all the old programs are still in the DB

[20:40:33]

stuarta:

ah yeah, the epg monkeys aren't that great....

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gbee:

although the fact that both are called subtitles is a little confusing :)

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kormoc:

icanicant, sure, TRUNCATE recorded; should do it

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stuarta:

part of the planned work is to allow the RT sourced data to be adjusted (timing wise) without trashing the rest of the data

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icanicant:

thanks kormoc

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gbee:

aye, looking forward to that

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stuarta:

goto find time to actually work on it :(

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stuarta:

s/goto/got to/

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gbee:

heh, #2469 – the 'so why don't you add it' attitude will get him far ;)

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gbee:

stuarta: know what you mean, finding myself pretty busy atm

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stuarta:

i really need to find time to fix that scanning issue for those bastard echostar satellites..

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stuarta:

it's non trivial, needs to be done right, and push back to -fixes :(

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gbee:

:(

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D-side:

hrm. i wish i understood mythtv's firewire support better.

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stuarta:

need to combine a NIT + SDTo's. Effectively a combination effect, end up with 400 channels...

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stuarta:

ugly

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gbee:

is it a regression on 0.19?

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stuarta:

yup

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stuarta:

it took quite a bit of reading of siparser, combined with dtv_privatetypes, and dvbsnoop's

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gbee:

bugger, well I don't envy you the job of porting it back to -fixes – though little has so far changed so it's easier to do it sooner than later

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stuarta:

to work out what used to happen...

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stuarta:

yeah, i'm holding off on other changes in the area on purpose.

[20:50:30]

stuarta:

i suspect i'll put it out for review before backporting....

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gbee:

good idea – though I suspect you'll have to deal with the "please backport this to -fixes" whining during that period :)

[20:51:41]

stuarta:

bah. bite me.

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stuarta:

:)

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gbee:

:)

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stuarta:

i actually understand software development methology and release management !!!

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DigerLAP:

is this pc a good starting point? http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5027231 I plan on getting abetter video card of course and with 1 gig ram

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gbee:

there's no shortage of armchair experts out there on how we should handle releases ;)

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stuarta:

I happen to agree with the -rc idea...

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stuarta:

would have caught the last minute fuckup

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gbee:

they always seem to reference the one project that does it the way they want too – forget the thousands that work like myth, project X does it this way so you should too!

[20:55:40]

gbee:

stuarta: like the idea too

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stuarta:

they can't complain anyway < 0.5 = alpha :)

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janneg:

I would like to to make fixes branch later and hold the feature freeze even after the release

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** stuarta pokes gbee about that... **

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janneg:

90% of the commits to trunk were also commited to fixes

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stuarta:

which would be covered by a -rc phase.

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ServerSage:

Hey folks. Anybody happen to know why with .20 when I watch a show that is currently being recorded, and I fast forward up to the point of watching [almost] live it jumps out to the menu?

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gbee:

what the feature freeze after release? so I commited stuff just hours after 0.20 ... :p

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Captain_Murdoch:

janneg: we used to have that (unnoficial) policy about holding off on new features for at least a few days after a release.

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timmy334:

what is the recommended window manager/desktop environment for mythtv?

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stuarta:

!trout gbee hasty committing

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** MythLogBot slaps gbee with a hasty committing trout on behalf of stuarta... **

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kormoc:

timmy334, one that works?

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stuarta:

and has fluffy dice for the mirror...

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** gardengnome uses fluxbox **

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ServerSage:

I use fluxbox as well. Fast to load, stable, small.

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gbee:

if the first release were a RC it would be a lot clearer than simply continuing the feature freeze past the release tagging

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kormoc:

I use lwm, others use kde, gnome, blackbox, xfce, etc

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timmy334:

I just didn't know if one worked better with it than another

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stuarta:

yeah, requires the packagers to help out though

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timmy334:

gardengnome, does flux work well with myth?

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gardengnome:

timmy334: it does for me

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timmy334:

k, thx

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gbee:

I also think a shorter release cycle would help, less bugs can be introduced etc, but I doubt I'll sell that idea

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janneg:

Captain_Murdoch: it would be more official and clear if we branch only after 1–2 weeks after the release

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Captain_Murdoch:

if the release were off of the -fixes branch right after it was created then there wouldn't be a need for a freeze after. the freeze after was to make it easier for Isaac to rerelease if necessary like for the mythweb issues this time or the audio issues we had in a prior release.

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Captain_Murdoch:

gbee: that was the intention after 0.19, but with all the DVB changes that went in it wasn't posible to do a quicker release.

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janneg:

but 7 months is not that bad

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stuarta:

considering the huge amount of work that went in.

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gbee:

having everyone sitting on their hands for two weeks before and after a release isn't ideal though :/

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stuarta:

it's one of those things that has no 1 right way.

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jblack:

Does mythvideo go on the backend or the frontend?

[21:12:34]

scopeuk:

can put it where youlike as logn as it can talk to the databae iirc

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Juski:

no use on the backend though

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jblack:

I can already watch recorded shows and live tv.

[21:13:07]

Juski:

i.e. you need it on frontends to be able to use it

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Juski:

anyway.. g'night

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stuarta:

night

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jblack:

Ok. Thanks

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Magec:

Hi Im having problems setting up myt remote control (a usb one). When I do evtest /dev/input/event4 everything is allright. The information shjown is correct and stuff, but irxevent seems not to work and does not send any command to mythtv

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digi4:

hey i've got a wierd problem maybe someone can help me with

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digi4:

i'm running mythtv, and mythweb and i've opened up port 80 so that mythweb is accessible from the net...i can login and browse around mythweb but the recorded programs cannot be downloaded, every link starts with myth:// instead of the actualy URL...but if i'm at home on my network I see the real URL and not myth://

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digi4:

and from outside (at work) if i click on a recorded program it just says "myth is not a registered protocol"

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digi4:

how do i get it to write the proper URL for the recorded programs so I can download them from work or wherever

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Honk^away:

btw.. why does live tv on my tv look like it's only 15 fps?

[21:47:08]

Honk^away:

the system is at only 50% cpu

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Honk^away:

it looks pretty ok on my other frontend

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RyeBrye:

digi4 – what's the URL of your webserver? (I promise not to trash it)

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RyeBrye:

Are this guy's LIRC serial receivers any good: http://irblaster.info/receiver.html ?

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MindHack:

ringbuffer dumps everything to the recordings folder now?

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kal_:

i've reinstalled last version of mythtv and mythweb available in portage (gentoo), and i still have the same problem: Error at /var/www/localhost/htdocs/mythweb/includes/mythbackend.php, line 167:

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kal_:

Incompatible protocol version (mythweb=30, backend=31)

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kal_:

Fatal Error at /var/www/localhost/htdocs/mythweb/includes/mythbackend.php, line 37:

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kal_:

Unable to connect to mythbackend, is it running?

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stuarta:

kal_: I'm sure you asked, and the question was answered about 3 hrs ago.

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kal_:

i wasn't there 3 hours ago :/

[22:00:59]

kal_:

but i found this : http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149145

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stuarta:

s/3hrs/2hrs/

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kal_:

this is the same problem

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stuarta:

well gentoo need to fix their package.

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stuarta:

quick fix is edit the referenced file and change the mythweb protocol version

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kal_:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset?new=trun . . . ythweb@11218

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kal_:

yep

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stuarta:

only need the myth proto version change

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digi4:

RyeBrye: priv msg me

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digi4:

RyeBrye didn't notice you msged me, i'm back now...

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kal_:

stuarta: yep it's done :)

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gbee:

root partition was full, just deleted a 2Gb kernel log file :(

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stuarta:

bleh

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k-man:

gbee, i found it a good plan to make a special partition just for logs

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stuarta:

i've amused myself by writing a dshield log parser for my router firewall...

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k-man:

so if logs get full... at least your whole hdd doesn't fill up

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BULLE:

gbee: you should have logrotate or simmilar up and running, to take care of such things, so something is broken in your system

[22:24:00]

gbee:

gonna have to wait till Sunday to record the last two episodes of Lost .... :(

[22:24:20]

RyeBrye:

season 2 of lost?

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RyeBrye:

what channel is it airing on?

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stuarta:

e4

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BULLE:

RyeBrye: tv4 ?

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stuarta:

+1

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** stuarta doesn't watch it. **

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gbee:

Channel 4 tonight, not being shown first on E4

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stuarta:

ooo ratings...

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RyeBrye:

I don't think I get that channel... is that in the US?

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stuarta:

uk

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RyeBrye:

oic...

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** RyeBrye is renting them... **

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gbee:

if it were being shown on e4 I could just record the +1 repeats :(

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gbee:

RyeBrye: UK

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gbee:

crappy log rotation :(

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e4:

lol

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e4:

who summons me

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stuarta:

well you would have the same name as a tv channel..

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scopeuk:

e4 d5's older brother would lieka word wit hyou ;-)

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scopeuk:

god that was awfll

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gbee:

heh, seems it was iptables filling it with useless info messages – achieved 2Gb in 24 hours, so not the fault of the log rotation

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** scopeuk files request to have time rewoudn to before there **

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RyeBrye:

anyone here use torrentocracy? (to download legal torrents, of course)

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darkskiez:

what do i need to do to make mheg work in myth ?

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Zyxus:

The next 10 shows that are scheduled for recording:

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darkskiez:

for uk interactive gubbins

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stuarta:

darkskiez: enable it

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darkskiez:

stuarta: OOOh thanks.

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darkskiez:

what do I need to do to enable mheg in myth ?

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RyeBrye:

darkskiez: configure it ;)

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** RyeBrye has no clue **

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stuarta:

seriously, enable it...

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** stuarta tries to remember which keys go with which coloured button... **

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Cardoe:

fryfrog: thanks for the comment to everyone on the bug report.

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darkskiez:

$ ./configure --help|grep -i mheg

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darkskiez:

$

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stuarta:

nope. in the frontend settings.

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** darkskiez finds it in playback preferences **

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darkskiez:

that should be documented a bit better

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stuarta:

then play with the function keys. f2-f6 iirc...

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stuarta:

document an alpha feature :-P

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darkskiez:

OOoo

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** RyeBrye prints and binds his bash history in leatherbound notebooks to pass down to his children in lieu of a "Personal Journal" **

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stuarta:

later all

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scopeuk:

wget http://dirty.nasty.sl*&^*^.tw/vid.mpg

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gbee:

RyeBrye: lol

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gbee:

I've kept emails from 10 years ago, but I don't really need to know what was in a log from yesterday when the machine in question isn't likely to need a security audit any time soon

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RyeBrye:

Yeah

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RyeBrye:

makes sense

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RyeBrye:

log files can clog HD's

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fumasterdk:

dga: version 2.0

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fumasterdk:

X Error of failed request: XF86DGANoDirectVideoMode

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fumasterdk:

Major opcode of failed request: 137 (XFree86-DGA)

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fumasterdk:

Minor opcode of failed request: 1 (XF86DGAGetVideoLL)

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fumasterdk:

Serial number of failed request: 13

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fumasterdk:

Current serial number in output stream: 13

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gbee:

fumasterdk: latest nvidia drivers don't support DGA anymore

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fumasterdk:

damn

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fumasterdk:

So solution??

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gbee:

no idea what it's actually used for – in testing my webcam driver I just use the -nodga arg to xawtv – but that doesn't help here :)

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fumasterdk:

Hmm nope true that wont help me lol

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fumasterdk:

Hmm this sucks going back to old nvidia drivers will break my xorg 7.1

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fumasterdk:

Sup with nvidia dropping this breaking abi that ... grrrr

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gentoo-user7184:

I have been having a problem with my mythbackend for a few dyas now and i have tried everything that i can thing so to fix the problem. Currently the backend is using 100% fo my cpu resources. This does not happen until a period of time after starting the backend. AS far as i know there is no job queues and the frontend is closed. The server and client are both on the same machine. I am running an AMD 64 3200+ with 1gig of ram

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gentoo-user7184:

Does anyone have any ideas as to why?

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BULLE:

gentoo-user7184: does top list the backend process as the one using all the cpu ?

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BULLE:

gentoo-user7184: and, you have NO jobs in the jobque at all ?

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gentoo-user7184:

yea

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gentoo-user7184:

that is correct no jobs in queue

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gentoo-user7184:

as mythtransoce or commflag processes are not running

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BULLE:

dunno then

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kormoc:

fumasterdk, the DGA API is depreciated as of for a long time now

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RyeBrye:

Is there any use for the FM radio input of my PVR-500?

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Honk^away:

i told ya to see if verbose gives anything :P

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gentoo-user7184:

if i post the log do u think that may help?

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gentoo-user7184:

currently have it recording all log's

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gentoo-user7184:

yea i didn't see anything last night

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digi4:

RyeBrye still there?

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gentoo-user7184:

but im going to try again so i'll have to let it running for a fw minutes before the mythbackend starts running 99%

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RyeBrye:

digi4: yeah, but I'm heading out now... sorry

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Tall-guy:

quick n dirty question: can the pvr350 record on tuner input AND composite/vid input at same time?

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RyeBrye:

digi4: try copying the mythtv:// links and changing them to http:// links and seeing if that works...

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BULLE:

Tall-guy: no

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RyeBrye:

Tall-guy: no.

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simcop2387:

the pvr 500 can though

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simcop2387:

or does it have composite?

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RyeBrye:

It does have composite,yea

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RyeBrye:

on both tuners

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simcop2387:

i thought so :)

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Tall-guy:

thanx guys...saved me some pizzing around for nuttin

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RyeBrye:

The second one connects via a little cable... I have mine conveniently sitting in front of the slot on my Mobo for an ISA board rather than blocking a real PCI slot

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** kormoc laughs at the thought of ISA anymore **

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simcop2387:

ah nice, i'd consider connecting it to the front panel for something

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RyeBrye:

Hmm... not a bad idea simcop

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simcop2387:

don't know what it'd ever get used for but i don't know what i'd do with two composite inputs anyway

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RyeBrye:

maybe I'll dremel out some space for it... but I don't know if the wires are long enough, so I would have do splice in some longer wires for it

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RyeBrye:

yeah, I don't know what I'll do with them either

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RyeBrye:

I just had the extra space, and it makes it look cool

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simcop2387:

:)

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RyeBrye:

anyway... I'm out

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simcop2387:

i'd probably throw in something to split it and hook it to my bttv card that i use for games, and set it up so i can easily record gaming sessions (though i have no need to record them anyway :))

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Weezey:

I'm getting tinny audio on a PVR150 what should I adjust?

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[shodan]:

are there lirc remote for different receiver identities for BEV (echostar) sat receivers ?

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[shodan]:

ie if I have 3 receiver do I need 3 transmitters or can I send different IR codes to each like the real remotes can ?

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janneg:

[shodan]: depends on the receiver. with serial lirc modules it should work

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janneg:

ah, sorry that was about lirc receivers and not transmitters

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[shodan]:

problem is I have a transmitter but no receiver so I can make a ir remote defenition file

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[shodan]:

there seem to be only one compatible file in the lirc distro for my sat receiver , so only one identity is supported unless some mythtv user made his own files

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janneg:

the remote and sat receiver have some sort of setting which infrared code is used?

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zeroasterisk:

I was wondering if anyone might be able to shed some light on a [mythdvd] problem I'm trying to resolve...

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** kormoc raises an eyebrow **

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kormoc:

well, you could say, format the computer and reinstall... or you could say, tell us the problem

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zeroasterisk:

I can't find any matches for the following logged error message, beside the source code for that module....

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zeroasterisk:

Erro

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zeroasterisk:

[Error: DVDISOCopyThread dvd device read error]

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zeroasterisk:

(full log can be pasted in as needed)

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kormoc:

well, it's rather self evident. there was a read error reading the disk

[23:46:00]

zeroasterisk:

so I would think

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kormoc:

if you check your dmesg, you'd likely see read errors there as well

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zeroasterisk:

but it can pickup the TOC from the DVD

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zeroasterisk:

hmmm

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kormoc:

so?

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kormoc:

the TOC isn't the entire dvd

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zeroasterisk:

true enough

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zeroasterisk:

indeed you are right

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zeroasterisk:

many read errors in #dmseg

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zeroasterisk:

well, good enough I'll figure this out – sorry to bother

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kormoc:

no bother

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kormoc:

usually they're caused by a dirty/damaged disk

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zeroasterisk:

happened on 2 dvd's – one new

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zeroasterisk:

i'll try others

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zeroasterisk:

(new DVD drive

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zeroasterisk:

was wondering if i needed to do anything besides plug it in)

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kormoc:

usually not, but ya never know

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zeroasterisk:

true... thanks again...

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needcoffee:

hey all

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coldsteal:

hello

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needcoffee:

had a couple of questions related to mythtv 0.19 (knoppmyth R5D1).

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needcoffee:

having two main issues, everything else is sweet.

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coldsteal:

is this a good config http://i-trash.org/projects/mythtv.php ?

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needcoffee:

one is playback quality. have tried many different things. just can't get the output from mythtv to come close to raw output from a dish receiver.

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needcoffee:

second is scheduled recordings... manual recordings work, but i get a select timeout – ivtv driver has stopped responding error from scheduled recordings, with a 0 byte file.

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gentoo-user7184:

for some reason i ran mythbackend -v all and it has yet to have the same problem... never does it when i want ti to

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needcoffee:

using an asus k8v with nvidia 5200 video and hauppauge pvr 250

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