Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, September 24th, 2006, 00:01 UTC

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scopeuk:

off to the data sheet with us

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scopeuk:

USB audio device class specification v1.0 Compatible

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scopeuk:

straight from the datasheet

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scopeuk:

in theory it should work

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scopeuk:

acordign to those two documents

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scopeuk:

no promises though

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ShockValue:

good find

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scopeuk:

took a little digging

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scopeuk:

the linux-usb thing was first esult in gogle for linux usb audio

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ShockValue:

its only $20.. i think i'll take a chance

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scopeuk:

ok

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scopeuk:

let us know how it goes

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scopeuk:

and maby the ala peeps too

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ShockValue:

newegg is pretty good at refunds :)

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Zider:

they can fund me any day ;)

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scopeuk:

free funding count me in ;-)

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ShockValue:

dinner time.. cya all later

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scopeuk:

enjoy

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Honk^away:

mhh

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Honk^away:

why does the connection to my master server time out? i can connect to the it from localhost

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Honk^away:

and i can telnet to the given hostname and port and open a connection too

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krisp_:

anyone use a nvidia 7300le?

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krisp_:

or can recommend using a 6200le pci-e

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Honk^away:

doesnt really matter for 2d, does it? =)

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krisp_:

it does for xvmc support

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Honk^away:

isnt that gf4+? =)

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krisp_:

yes but if you took the time to search about the cards you would know that often times there are issues

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krisp_:

hence looking for a recommendation

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gordonjl_:

hi, all. This is somewhat off-topic, but I'm desperate :): does anyone have a PVR 350 running on FC5? I'm close to getting it working but I'm missing something

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gordonjl_:

I get a black screen (nothing!) when trying to view any channel

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gordonjl_:

but my tv out seems to be working because I was able to see the test screen

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gordonjl_:

so, the card is recognized and loaded

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Anduin:

The test screen doesn't actually use the mpeg decoder (If use the 350 out in myth that is what it is trying to use)

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gordonjl_:

Anduin: I haven't get gotten to running myth (hence this is not a very good topic for this group)

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Honk^away:

http://nopaste.php-q.net/241893 <-- why does the connection time out in 0 seconds? =)

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Anduin:

Honk^away: and you can mysql -h server mythconverg?

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Honk^away:

huh? the mysql connection doesnt fail

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Honk^away:

it finds the server and port for mythtv

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Honk^away:

connecting to the backend fails :)

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coolego1:

where does MythTV keep all its config/log files? I'm looking to possibly reinstall and I want to keep the current config files as a guideline

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Anduin:

Yeah yeah, so the check is different: telent server 6543

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Honk^away:

i get a connection

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Honk^away:

that was the first thing i checked =)

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Anduin:

coolego1: almost everything, except the how to find the DB, is in the DB

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Honk^away:

(no answer though.. i really dont know the protocol *g*)

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coolego1:

ok, so if I backup the DB, then can I use the DB on the new system to restore everything?

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Anduin:

coolego1: Yes

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coolego1:

even if it changes versions from .19 to .20

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Anduin:

coolego1: Less of a yes, easier to upgrade everything, then upgrade from .19 to 0.20

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Anduin:

coolego1: or at least restore the DB before installing 0.20

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Honk^away:

http://rafb.net/paste/results/omq7Rm72.html

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Anduin:

Honk^away: anything in the backend log when you did that?

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Honk^away:

nothing

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Honk^away:

the same server works from localhost btw

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coolego1:

Anduin: right now I'm running mythdora 2.32 which is mythtv 0.19 but I'm thinking that I want to do it myself because the transcoder doesn't work, but the flagger does

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ShockValue:

question: i have a promise IDE controller card. it has 2 drives connected to it. at boot, it detects the card, and the 2 drives connected to it. They dont show up in /dev/ or anywhere else.. what am i missing?

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Honk^away:

check your dmesg output

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Honk^away:

and.. maybe you're missing the driver for your controller? check your kernel config

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ShockValue:

oh do i need a special driver for an IDE addin?

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ShockValue:

lspci = Mass storage controller: Promise Technology, Inc. 20269 (rev 02)

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js0:

Honk^away, are you trying to connect from the same machine where backend is running?

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Honk^away:

js0: nope

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Honk^away:

<Honk^away> the same server works from localhost btw <-- that's working just fine

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ShockValue:

ah crap.. i thought i was in #gentoo, sorry for the OT :)

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Honk^away:

ShockValue: =)

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Honk^away:

the answers are the same though

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Honk^away:

check your kernel config

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js0:

Honk^away, did you give access to the machine you're trying to connect from?

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Honk^away:

i did what i found in several tutorials.. but i guess i didnt ;)

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Honk^away:

that's why i'm asking for directions :]

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RyeBrye3:

0.20 introduced the possibility of animated themes, didn't it?

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ShockValue:

yeah, opengl animation a bit, havent seen it firsthand tho

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Honk^away:

js0: what else is necessary apart from changing the access rights to the mysql db?

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RyeBrye3:

Are there any themes that are using it yet?

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js0:

Honk^away, that's all as far as I know

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Honk^away:

<Honk^away> huh? the mysql connection doesnt fail

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Honk^away:

<Honk^away> it finds the server and port for mythtv

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Honk^away:

it's the connection to the mythbackend server that fails

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** RyeBrye3 is blown away... he just turned "OpenGL" on instead of "Qt" and his frontend is MUCH faster... **

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** RyeBrye3 guesses that his video card has native gl support afterall **

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Honk^away:

RyeBrye: and it's got some effects when changing menus *lol*

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RyeBrye3:

Yeah :)

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coolego1:

is there a chance that I could set up a backend-frontend machine in 6 hours, or is that a superman task?

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RyeBrye3:

coolego – maybe

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RyeBrye3:

Does your life depend on it?

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Anduin:

coolego1: I'd guess few people manage that their first time.

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coolego1:

well, not relaly

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js0:

Honk^away, You can find instructions here http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html

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RyeBrye3:

Fedora Core + the Fedora Mythology doc helped me get it done in about that time

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Honk^away:

js0: you dont listen, do you?

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Honk^away:

mysql is working just fine

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RyeBrye3:

a big part of it would just be your net connection to download the updates... etc.

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coolego1:

well, if it gets to the point of set-it-and-forget-it that's fine

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js0:

Honk^away, apparently it's not because you get your connection closed

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Honk^away:

mhh..

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Honk^away:

i've got an idea =)

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Anduin:

Honk^away: Maybe -v network on the backen, you can also try MYTH_PROTO_VERSION as a command in that telnet try

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Honk^away:

maybe the connection from server to server's mysql db is fialing

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js0:

Honk^away, when i connect through telnet, my connection is not closed

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coolego1:

I have mythdora running right now, and that seems to be able to install in about 3 hours, but it's not configurable and doesn't work anywhere close to perfectly

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Honk^away:

js0: neither is mine ;)

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Honk^away:

it's closed when i write status though :]

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Anduin:

Honk^away: Yeah, just status should have caused a backend log message about Unknown command: status

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ChrisSmol:

how do i select HRC cable frequencies?

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Anduin:

ChrisSmol: mythtv-setup

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ChrisSmol:

doh, right.

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Honk^away:

Anduin: that's kinda odd :]

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Honk^away:

or maybe it's not

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coolego1:

does myth keep realtime logs? if so, where are they?

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Honk^away:

(the missing log message that is)

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Honk^away:

my start script was limiting the log level it seems

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coolego1:

nevermind, found the log I think

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Honk^away:

http://rafb.net/paste/results/bmFJ8432.html <-- telnet

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Honk^away:

mythfrontend does _not_ appear on the server log though :P

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Anduin:

Honk^away: You are doing the telnet from the same machine as the broken frontend (just checking)

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Honk^away:

yepp

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Honk^away:

of course

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Anduin:

Honk^away: and actually using the IP in the frontend?

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Honk^away:

even with "mythbackend -v all" there's not a single indication that mythfrontend even tries to connect to the server

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Honk^away:

Anduin: the setting is done in the backend, not the frontend =)

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Honk^away:

(and i tried that already *g*)

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degreseven:

i have lots of problems with mythweather. the current data is never correct, and it seems to randomly choose days 3 or 4 days in the future to display as "tomorrow's forcast" any ideas?

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Anduin:

Honk^away: the setting is set per frontend, BackendServerIP (part of why you must mythtv-setup on each frontend)

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coolego1:

in theory, with the correct codecs installed, you can transcode stuff into pretty much anything, right?

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ChrisSmol:

hmm... changed to HRC but it didn't seem to actually take effect

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Anduin:

ChrisSmol: backend restarted?

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ChrisSmol:

yes

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Honk^away:

andruk: are you really really sure about that? :P

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Honk^away:

i dont even have mythtv-setup on this machine =)

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ChrisSmol:

this is why i couldn't get it to work with my turbotv card. i was trying tvtime, and saw that fine tuning would bring in the channels, then i discovered the whole IRC/HRC thing, and changed tvtime to HRC, all the channels come in fine there now.

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Honk^away:

and.. the frontend does pretend to connecto to "server:6543"

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Honk^away:

so it did read the correct hostname, didnt it?

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ChrisSmol:

btw, when i quit mythtv-setup i get this warning "Card 0 (type ) is set to start on channel 2, which does not exist.

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ChrisSmol:

i'm not quite sure what it is telling me there

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Anduin:

ChrisSmol: Channels don't exist if they aren't in the channel table.

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Igg-man:

I burned a DVD using mytharchive. It seems that everything work, but the transcode didn't seem to take out the commercials from the cutlist. Any idea why?

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ChrisSmol:

i'm not sure why it is coming up, when i run mythtv it displays all the channels in the program schedule

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ChrisSmol:

they all show up in the mythtv-setup Channel Editor

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RyeBrye3:

degreseven: I have the same problem with mythweather

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krisp_:

well i figured out why crop gave me colors instead of black

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ChrisSmol:

aha, you need to set HRC in two places

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krisp_:

but it still doesn't fix the underlying problem, the picture doesn't fit on the entire screen

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ChrisSmol:

working! but now i am getting an echo in the audio

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degreseven:

RyeBrye3, we seem to be the only ones, i can't find any info on this problem

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Anduin:

Honk^away: try the frontend with -v socket

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J-e-f-f-A:

ChrisSmol: Mute your audio output that your tv sound is coming in to.

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Honk^away:

oh.. output :P

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Honk^away:

it's trying to connect to 0.0.0.0

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Anduin:

Honk^away: becase setAddress only takes IPs

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ChrisSmol:

where do i do that? (sorry, this is only day 2 of trying to use mythtv)

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Honk^away:

mhh..

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Honk^away:

lemme install mythtv again to get the setup thingy

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Anduin:

ChrisSmol: There is a section in the howto (from the Documentation link on mythtv.org)

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ChrisSmol:

ok, thanks

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Honk^away:

Anduin: the problem seems to be, that the default fallback is set to 0.0.0.0 (and i dont know how to set that :P)

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data242:

my X output through my pvr-350 was fine on a smaller tv, but now on a 32" it's off the top/bottom/edges, how can I shrink that down?

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Honk^away:

Anduin: didnt help at all :P

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Anduin:

Honk^away: I'm looking at the code, it takes MasterServerIP (I'll grant you that) and calls QHostAddress.setAddress() with it

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Honk^away:

i think i'll just mess with the db manually

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Honk^away:

if i can manage to log in :P

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Skaface:

hello

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Skaface:

has anyone here experienced any problems using mythmusic 0.19 with a s/pdif output?

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Honk^away:

errh :]

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Honk^away:

it doesnt actually read 0.0.0.0 from the db =)

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Anduin:

Of course not

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Anduin:

Honk^away: What is MasterServerIP set to?

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Honk^away:

server

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Anduin:

Honk^away: set it to the IP

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Skaface:

or alternatively, could someone please help me out with this compile error for mythtv 0.20?

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Skaface:

./../libs/libmythtv/libmythtv-0.20.so: undefined reference to `DiSEqCDevTree::Execute(DiSEqCDevSettings const&, DVBTuning const&)'

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ChrisSmol:

perfect, thanks!

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Honk^away:

*confused*

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Honk^away:

i was sure i tried that (using the gui) before

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Honk^away:

and why does it work on the server where the db runs? =)

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Honk^away:

oh.. cuz connecting to 0.0.0.0 works =)

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coolego1:

can mythtranscode transcode to stuff other than mpeg2 to mpeg2?

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Honk^away:

yay, tv =)

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fryfrog:

wow, HD is 6G for 1hr!

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fryfrog:

zounds!

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CyberKnet:

Any anecdotal stories about using an old xbox as a front end/

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Honk^away:

now i just gotta find a way to set up the programs properly

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J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: I use one. It works well.

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CyberKnet:

Jeff: You use mpeg2 as your video container?

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J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: Although it's a little slow booting (only 64mb ram), and doesn't play HD. yes – mpeg2.

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CyberKnet:

Any observations you care to share?

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J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: Well, it's a full-featured frontend, so that's a plus. It plays SD perfectly.

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J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: It's a bit slow navigating, since it's only 64mb ram, Celeron 733...

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CyberKnet:

Hmm... did disabling the video preview help that?

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fryfrog:

CyberKnet: as long as you don't do HD, i think its fine :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: I dunno, I haven't tried that. But I don't think it's the preview, it's the very low amount of physical memory. I've got another frontend I built on a Celeron 733, w/512 ram and it works much faster...

[02:51:09]

fryfrog:

CyberKnet: you might even be able to try the xbmc mythtv stuff

[02:51:56]

CyberKnet:

well, I'm just considering moving my combined front/back end into the back and using my old xbox as the front end... I only use it for TV and occasionally the weather.

[02:52:16]

CyberKnet:

J-e-f-f-A: do you play DVDs with it?

[02:52:31]

CyberKnet:

I'd imagine the ram would hurt it for that use too..

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fryfrog:

I use my xbox to play dvds with xbmc, it works fine

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J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: Yes, I have. You don't necessarily need myth to do that — you can use the built-in player.

[02:53:06]

fryfrog:

doing it in X might be a bit worse, but i'd imagine its okay

[02:53:39]

scottder:

Anyone else have inverted colors on the preview video under recordings

[02:53:46]

scottder:

not a biggie for me....just curious

[02:53:48]

J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: What version is your Xbox? If it's < 1.6, then it's relatively easy to install Linux with a 'software game save' trick. Otherwise you need a mod chip.

[02:54:07]

CyberKnet:

I have < 0.6, but I have extensively used XBL

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CyberKnet:

as in, xbox live

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J-e-f-f-A:

scottder: yeah, it's a bug — fixed in .20 "Chroma fix in video preview"

[02:54:55]

scottder:

Huh didn't have it until 0.20....I will check it out thanks

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J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: Well, that's another consideration — if you want to continue to use XBL, then you'll need a mod chip... Because the software 'hacks' replace XBL with Linux...

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scottder:

also load seems a lot higher for commflagging now too....but I did start fromc scratch

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J-e-f-f-A:

scottder: I believe .20 has a better commflag, so that's probably why the higher utilization.

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CyberKnet:

No, I don't want to use the xbox as an xbox any more

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CyberKnet:

I have a 360 for that

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CyberKnet:

I just meant that I had probably gotten dashboard updates from xbox live

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Skaface:

can anyone please help me out at all with my compile problem? ive been trying to resolve the problem for a week now :(

[02:58:17]

scottder:

J-e-f-f-A: thanks :)

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CyberKnet:

I'd like it to boot straight to linux actually... but if that requires a mod chip I'l probably pass.

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** RyeBrye3 talks about himself in the 3rd person **

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scottder:

not a biggie....may be getting a new MB/CPU/RAM soon for it....

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** scottder loves freee hardware from work :) **

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** RyeBrye3 wonders why his 3-month old son seems to love peeing in his bathwater every day **

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J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: The only caveout I have seen is that if the xbox is un-plugged long enough for it to lose it's real-time-clock setting, then the 'software hacked' xbox enters a clock loop, continually rebooting. The 'fix' is to put in a badly scratched audio CD, which gets the x-box to attempt to read the disc, then eventually go to the clock set screen.

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CyberKnet:

Jeff: I didn't realize they had a fix for that one.

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CyberKnet:

That's pretty ingenius. ;)

[03:00:23]

J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: I cheated and put in a DVD-R, which it doesn't read... It worked...

[03:00:43]

CyberKnet:

I actually originally bought the xbox for a front end, and became addicted to Halo2. heh

[03:01:05]

CyberKnet:

but with my 360 now, I hve the xbox free.

[03:01:23]

J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: I bought mine from a co-worker for $60 — he upgraded to a 360.

[03:01:34]

CyberKnet:

I had been holding onto it because of Burn Our Takedown... but that one is now on the backward compat list as of a few weeks ago.

[03:01:40]

CyberKnet:

$60 is a cheap front end

[03:02:09]

CyberKnet:

Too bad microsoft crippled the memory

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yep, that's why I did it... And that included 2 remotes and the DVD remote.

[03:03:38]

CyberKnet:

I have my niveus remote

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CyberKnet:

I love it ;)

[03:03:51]

CyberKnet:

It's RF

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J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: There's documentation somewhere on the web on how to upgrade it to 128mb, but it only works with Linux, and is tiny, tiny connections.

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CyberKnet:

yeah, surface mount stuff... and my non-surface mount soldering skills are pretty bad

[03:05:52]

CyberKnet:

which is why I'm thinking about the game save hack method

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CyberKnet:

;)

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CyberKnet:

no-solder mod chips are a little pricey.

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Skaface:

i have a problem compiling mythtv, and i get the following error

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Skaface:

../../libs/libmythtv/libmythtv-0.20.so: undefined reference to `DiSEqCDevTree::Execute(DiSEqCDevSettings const&, DVBTuning const&)'

[03:07:37]

Skaface:

../../libs/libmythtv/libmythtv-0.20.so: undefined reference to `DiSEqCDevLNB::GetIntermediateFrequency(DiSEqCDevSettings const&, DVBTuning const&) const'

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Skaface:

ive previously compiled version 0.19, and had no problems

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jlefler:

Skaface: sorry man..no clue. Sounds like the class DiSEqCDevLNB isn't getting compiled properly but its outside of my area of knowledge. Check that you have all the dependencies, maybe

[03:08:41]

J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: That's what I did. (Game save) It was easy once I got the game save on the xbox memory card. (created an xbox->usb adapter, and used 'action replay' to put it on the xbox memory card)

[03:09:27]

CyberKnet:

Well... I have a controller, and the USB adapter that ms created for phantasy star online

[03:09:30]

CyberKnet:

do you think that will work

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Skaface:

ok, well thanks anyway jlefler

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jlefler:

Sorry I couldn't be of more help

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J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: Is the adapter just a X-Box controller to PC-USB adapter?

[03:11:16]

CyberKnet:

no.

[03:11:35]

CyberKnet:

It plugs into the controller where the headset adapter would plug in

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CyberKnet:

i.e. above the memory unit

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Ediehow:

hi friends

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Ediehow:

anyone in here using satellite w/mythtv?

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Anduin:

Skaface: it sounds like it isn't the first error

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Skaface:

everything else compiled fine, up until that point

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Anduin:

Skaface: including diseqc.cpp

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Skaface:

ill check

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Skaface:

does the compiler leave a log file anywhere?

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Ediehow:

is it possible to use dishnetwork with myth and a pvr-150mce?

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J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: Ok, then that's not what you need. I just took the 'breakaway' cable (the part that's only about 6" long), and spliced in a 'normal' usb extention cable (the kind with a Male 'A' on one end, and a female "A" on the other end). That way I could connect the xbox controller to the PC to read/write the memory card, and when connected to the x-box, I un-plug the controller, and plug a USB keyboard/mouse into the us

[03:14:08]

J-e-f-f-A:

xbox.

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Anduin:

Skaface: It does not

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Skaface:

ill make clean, and then start the compile again then i guess

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Ediehow:

is there anywhere to get support for mythtv and dishnetwork?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ediehow: I'm using dish with Hauppauge cards – what do you need?

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Anduin:

Ediehow: you need an ir transmitter

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Ediehow:

J-e-f-f-A: so i should be able to do it with pvr-150mce?

[03:17:24]

Ediehow:

which i am currently doing w/cable?

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fryfrog:

how do you put your details for netflix in?

[03:17:59]

Ediehow:

i have no serial ports on my computer, only usb, but i am currently using a serial to usb adapter with a pinnacle pctv remote

[03:18:10]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ediehow: Yes, but you'd come out of the dish receiver with S-video & sterio audio into your PVR-150, then use an IR blaster with lirc.

[03:18:38]

Ediehow:

J-e-f-f-A: do i need to request a particular dish box?

[03:18:41]

Ediehow:

when i order the service?

[03:18:55]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ediehow: That complicates things a little, since I don't think the serial-usb adapter is able to be switched on&off at 40khz to create the ir carrier.

[03:19:00]

RyeBrye3:

You can probably just go pick up a crappy old box

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RyeBrye3:

Ediehow: you can also control it directly with a serial cable

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ediehow: Any old box will work fine — I'm using a 3800, 3900, and 7100 currently. (And the 7100 is the original DishPlayer PVR)

[03:19:45]

Ediehow:

are the new ones usb?

[03:19:52]

RyeBrye3:

http://www.dtvcontrol.com/page.aspx?content=compat

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J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye3: Dish receivers don't have serial control. (Ediehow too)

[03:19:58]

RyeBrye3:

OHHHH

[03:19:59]

RyeBrye3:

NM

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RyeBrye3:

I was thinking DirecTV

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Ediehow:

J-e-f-f-A: none of them do?

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** RyeBrye3 should have read the whole thread **

[03:20:26]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ediehow: Not that I know of.

[03:20:36]

Ediehow:

aren't ir blasters expensive?

[03:20:53]

RyeBrye3:

I think I saw one for $12 or $13 earlier when I was browsing around

[03:21:00]

Ediehow:

but they are only serial?

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fryfrog:

can anyone tell me how to give mythflix my netflix info?

[03:21:08]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ediehow: But what you could do, is buy or make an IR blaster that will work with your usb->serial adapter — basicaly it will do the 40khz modulation, and myth just hast to turn it on & off.

[03:21:10]

RyeBrye3:

http://www.lirc.org/

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Ediehow:

J-e-f-f-A: if it helps, i am currently using serial to usb adapter with pinnacle pctv remote

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fryfrog:

oh, seems to be technical :)

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Ediehow:

so it must work to some extent?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah, the $12/$13 ones will only work with a hardware serial port. The receiver is de-modulating the 40khz carrier for you, so it's just a stream of bits at that point.

[03:23:14]

RyeBrye3:

Anyone know of a cheap place in the states to buy a RS-232 LIRC receiver?

[03:23:23]

RyeBrye3:

I know of that place in Germany... but I was looking for some place more local

[03:24:20]

RyeBrye3:

(this is the place in Germany: https://ssl.webpack.de/zapway.de/e_order.htm)

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Ediehow:

J-e-f-f-A: why do they only work with serial?

[03:25:18]

Ediehow:

that seems outdated

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Ediehow:

pl2303

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Ediehow:

that's the module i am using for usb2serial

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ediehow: It's actually using the serial port as a high-speed single-bit output. It's turning it on & off at 40,000 times a second, and with gaps to make the signal.

[03:27:09]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ediehow: It's not using 'standard' 9600 baud, etc... it's doing it's own modulation via hardware 'hacks' at 40khz...

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ediehow: Does your pc have an IRDA port?

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Ediehow:

nopers

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Ediehow:

i don't think so

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Ediehow:

it's a dell desktop

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Ediehow:

dual core

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ediehow: Any serial ports on the MB that you're not aware of?

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Esotericisms:

anyone upgrade from 0.19 to 0.20 on a fedora core 3 system yet?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ediehow: (IE Headers, with nothing connected)

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Ediehow:

jeff, it's a dell dimension e510

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ediehow: I'll check it out in a few mins — just got a call from work and need to VPN in for a little while. (oncall — Joy... NOT!)

[03:29:09]

Ediehow:

k

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CyberKnet:

J-e-f-f-A: Yeah, I tried converting a break-away cable a long time ago. Never did manage to get one to work.

[03:30:37]

CyberKnet:

Wow. the solder pads for the hardware installation are TINY

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RyeBrye3:

Hmmm

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RyeBrye3:

I set up my mythbox using FC on a machine with a computer monitor from an ATI card that has both a monitor & svideo output

[03:34:44]

RyeBrye3:

now I brought it to my TV room and connected it to Svideo – and when it boots in to FC it freaks out

[03:34:57]

RyeBrye3:

I can control-alt-F2 and get a terminal and read text fine

[03:35:07]

RyeBrye3:

any idea how to fix it?

[03:35:20]

RyeBrye3:

Do I need to reconnect it to a monitor and change my default res to 640x480 or something?

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J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye3: You need to use a TV-friendly resolution and refresh rate. Try 800x600 @ 60hz

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fryfrog:

50–80% cpu usage on an amd64 3000+ playing back HD content normalish?

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RyeBrye3:

J-e-f-f-A: Can I edit a setting file from the terminal or do I need to bring it back up and connect it to my monitor and do it through the gui?

[03:36:50]

J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye3: IIRC, it's the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file.

[03:36:56]

RyeBrye3:

Beautiful

[03:37:02]

RyeBrye3:

I'll try toying with that :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye3: You'll have to restart X to get it to take the new resolution.

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D-side:

hello boys.

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gordonjl_:

hi all, I'm almost done setting up mythtv for the first time

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gordonjl_:

w00t

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gordonjl_:

however, I can't watch tv in mythtv

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gordonjl_:

this error is given:

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gordonjl_:

NVR: Error, unknown audio codec

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gordonjl_:

Assuming RTjpeg for now

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gordonjl_:

the mythtv gui allows me to set this up

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gordonjl_:

I have a choice of RTjpeg or mpeg4 in a dropdown

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gordonjl_:

which should I use? I'm using a PVR-350

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ediehow: Yeah, no serial at all on that pc. You'll have to get a USB blaster, or make an adapter that will work with your usb serial port adapter. (It's an oscilator) I think it will work with USB that way...

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Ediehow:

how do i avoid having to "make" anything?:)

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Honk^away:

i'm a bit confused now :9

[03:44:20]

Honk^away:

how does mythtv which channels should be visible?

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Honk^away:

i've got 2 nearly identical entries in the channel table but only 1 of 'em is selectable as channel

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Honk^away:

(both are visible = 1 ofc)

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Ediehow:

J-e-f-f-A: ?

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Ediehow:

what's the best thing to do?

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simcop2387:

is there any way i can tell the gallery not to come up when some random cd is inserted even if it does have pictures

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Honk^away:

<-- totally lost :]

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Ediehow:

J-e-f-f-A: ?

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Ediehow:

oh ok

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Ediehow:

k

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ediehow: I'd look at lirc.org and see if there's a USB blaster available... I dunno if there is one or not, but I suspect there is.

[03:58:34]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ediehow: Also, I read somwhere recently that somebody had gotten the MCE USB blasters at least partially working — That could be a good option too.

[03:59:10]

Ediehow:

J-e-f-f-A: so that's what i need? a usb blaster?

[03:59:18]

Ediehow:

i can't use my usb to serial thingie?

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Ediehow:

and my current remote control?

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Ediehow:

isn't a blaster just ar emote?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ediehow: You can continue to use that for the receiver, but it won't work for the blaster.

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Ediehow:

what's the point of the blaster?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ediehow: Actually, the easiest, and perhaps even the chapest, is to put a PCI serial card in there and get the $12 blaster.

[04:00:28]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ediehow: You need the 'blaster' to send IR signals to change the channel on the dish receiver.

[04:00:46]

Ediehow:

ok

[04:00:54]

Ediehow:

so i can't use the usb to serial with ir seral blaster?

[04:00:57]

Ediehow:

i was kinda confused about that

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Ediehow:

J-e-f-f-A: so the blaster interacts with the dishnetwork box?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ediehow: No, because the hardware trick used with a 'real' serial port won't work with a USB serial port. The hardware trick turns the port on and off 40,000 times a second to generate the IR carrier.

[04:01:49]

Skaface:

Anduin: youll never guess what happened

[04:01:58]

Skaface:

after the make clean, mythtv compiled properly

[04:02:19]

Ediehow:

http://www.pcalchemy.com/product_info.php/pNa . . . ote-controls

[04:02:20]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ediehow: The blaster 'emulates' the Infrared remote control by sending the same signals out.

[04:02:21]

Ediehow:

that's what i want?

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Anduin:

Skaface: that wasn't so bad then

[04:02:29]

Skaface:

:)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ediehow: Yeah, but it doesn't say it's Linux compatible... You'd have to inquire about that and/or check the lirc.org site to see if it's supported.

[04:04:15]

Ediehow:

Microsoft MCE Remote Receiver

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Ediehow:

Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005 Operating System MCE 2005 Microsoft Windows Remote Control IR Receiver Kit for MS Windows XP MCE OS multimedia operating system home media center

[04:04:18]

Ediehow:

?

[04:04:46]

Ediehow:

so J-e-f-f-A

[04:04:58]

Ediehow:

i just need to join lirc list and inquire about the cheapest usb ir blaster?

[04:05:01]

Ediehow:

that is compatible?

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Ediehow:

and as long as it works with lirc, i am ok to get dishnetwork and use mythtv?

[04:05:38]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ediehow: That would probably do the trick. I'm sure you're not the only one without a physical serial port that needs to use an IR blaster.

[04:05:47]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ediehow: Yes.

[04:05:57]

Ediehow:

i need to say IR BLASTER instead of mce remote receiver?

[04:06:39]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ediehow: Yes, you need a USB IR Blaster.

[04:06:54]

Ediehow:

i mean, is this an ir blaster, or just a receiver?

[04:07:01]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ediehow: (Blaster = Sender or Transmitter...)

[04:07:04]

Ediehow:

2nd air (depending states)$35.94

[04:07:05]

Ediehow:

Microsoft MCE Remote Receiver

[04:07:05]

Ediehow:

Microsoft Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005 Operating System MCE 2005 Remote Control IR Receiver Kit Microsoft certified remote control for MS Windows XP MCE OS multimedia operating system home media center

[04:07:07]

Ediehow:

oh i see

[04:07:38]

Ediehow:

so would i still use my remote with serial to usb adapter to control mythtv myself?

[04:07:50]

Ediehow:

and i'd need an ir blaster to have mythtv control the satellite box?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ediehow: Yes, unless the USB Blaster also has a receiver, at which point you could just use it for both functions, and eliminate your other receiver.

[04:08:41]

Ediehow:

so it's a simple binary thing

[04:08:43]

Ediehow:

blaster -> send

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Ediehow:

reciever ->receive

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Ediehow:

J-e-f-f-A: so if i get a blaster that works for lirc, it FOR SURE Will work for mythtv?

[04:10:41]

Ediehow:

http://www.pcalchemy.com/product_info.php/pNa . . . ote-controls

[04:10:44]

Ediehow:

oh, so this does both

[04:10:46]

Ediehow:

send and receive

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Ediehow:

should my existing remote work with it?

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gordonjl_:

all, okay live tv is working, but I don't have all my channels. In my testing I can get a channel, but browsing I can't

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gordonjl_:

ideas?

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gordonjl_:

and the quality's pretty bad, too

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ediehow: Yes, if it's supported by lirc, then it will work in Myth. Myth does not have IR built into it — it uses lirc...

[04:13:25]

Ediehow:

ok

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Ediehow:

J-e-f-f-A: ok, so if it does both, how do i know it will work with my remote that i have?

[04:13:51]

Ediehow:

cuz right now i am using serial port to usb for my remote

[04:13:59]

Ediehow:

doesn't the remote need a certain receiver, or does it matter?

[04:15:26]

ho_9:

Ediehow: most remotes operate in the same frequency range. you just need a config that recognized the correct series of pulses

[04:15:58]

Ediehow:

oh, so my config ia m currently using...

[04:16:04]

Ediehow:

is for my remote only, not the receiver?

[04:16:47]

Ediehow:

J-e-f-f-A: so does it matter what box dish-netowrk gives me?

[04:16:51]

ho_9:

Ediehow: you need to support the receiver and the remote

[04:17:39]

ho_9:

Ediehow: what do you mean serial port to usb? (I came into the conversation late)

[04:17:53]

Ediehow:

ho_9: i have a serial port to usb adapter

[04:18:00]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ediehow: The blaster should work with any box. If the codes aren't available on the lirc site, you can 'learn' the remote.

[04:18:20]

Ediehow:

J-e-f-f-A: so i don't need to tell dish network any special instructions when they hook me up?

[04:18:43]

Ediehow:

and it should be fine with win tv mce pvr150?

[04:18:47]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ediehow: It would be a waste to get the Dish PVR — as that's what you're going to do with Myth. Just get a 'generic', non-pvr receiver.

[04:19:32]

J-e-f-f-A:

ho_9: he doesn't have hardware serial ports on the box, only a usb -> serial adapter that he's using with an ir receiver now.

[04:20:35]

J-e-f-f-A:

ho_9: The usb adapter can't be switched at 40khz to generate a 'blaster' carrier like a hardware serial port can. That's the issue. (He wants to use a Dish receiver with Myth, which does not have a serial port like DirecTV)

[04:20:37]

ho_9:

J-e-f-f-A: doesn't blaster only work with serial config? as long as LIRC thinks he's on a serial port he should be able to build with input and output (not sure if there are RPMs with both preconfigured)

[04:21:39]

ho_9:

J-e-f-f-A: there is a usb circuit on the LIRC site, I believe. or one available prebuilt if you google for it

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JoeyJoeJo:

I've got an epia 10000 motherboard with the cle266 chipset.. do I remember correctly that I read somewhere that .20 supports this board better than previous versions?

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Ediehow:

J-e-f-f-A: what do i need to do once i have the adapter hooked up?

[04:28:17]

Ediehow:

the blaster

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Ediehow:

what diff in myth setup?

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Ediehow:

what's wrong with my myth? it's saying "unknown" for every channel

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ho_9:

Ediehow: did you run mythfilldatabase?

[04:33:49]

JoeyJoeJo:

damn, you beat me to to, ho_9

[04:34:19]

Ediehow:

it runs auto

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ho_9:

auto is not always so good. are you capturing any errors you are getting?

[04:35:09]

ho_9:

try it manually and see if you get errors (or data)

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ravalox:

Hey, tuning question. I just moved to an area with the same cable format (usa-cable) but a different provider, so I updated my video source but all my channels are coming in with a lot of static

[04:36:17]

ravalox:

and it doesn't detect the first five channels in a scan

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Ediehow:

hmm

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Ediehow:

what is the address to reknew zap2it?

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ho_9:

ravalox: did you delete your zap2it lineup and create a new one?

[04:37:30]

ravalox:

yes, I went to the website and did all that

[04:37:38]

ravalox:

it's got the right lineup for my area

[04:37:46]

ravalox:

it reports the right channel information

[04:37:53]

ravalox:

it just doesn't tune to the channel

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JoeyJoeJo:

ediehow: labs.zap2it.com

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ho_9:

ravalox: delete your capture card and recreate (run setup and say Y to the two questions)

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Ediehow:

err

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ho_9:

Ediehow: to renew you have to be within 1 week of your expiration and then login and answer the survey

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Ediehow:

oh ok

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ShockValue:

well, i ended up going with this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16829118107

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ShockValue:

ive read a few reviews with people saying they used the optical link to output DTS/5.1.. hopefully it works with linux/mythtv

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gordonjl_:

folks, does anyone know how I can use the external out on my pvr 350?

[04:46:33]

ravalox:

I did delete the cards before and reassigned everything

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ho_9:

ravalox: check the channel info in mythweb to see if it is correct

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gentoo-user7184:

Why it mythtv using 99% of my cpu usage?

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gentoo-user7184:

is**

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Skaface:

probably because you are using a sofware encoding capture card

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gentoo-user7184:

nope

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gentoo-user7184:

pvr 150

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Skaface:

hmm

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gentoo-user7184:

and i'm not even watching tv

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ho_9:

got mmx?

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Skaface:

noise reduction?

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gentoo-user7184:

the frontend is closed

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xris:

playback filters? opengl turned on but not enabled/supported in the video drivers?

[04:52:02]

xris:

gentoo-user7184: what's the backend doing?

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gentoo-user7184:

i dunno

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Skaface:

is the backend removing the advertisements from a recording?

[04:52:17]

gentoo-user7184:

there is nothing in the job queue

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gordonjl_:

all, how do I set up my box to use my capture card's video out?

[04:52:55]

gordonjl_:

everything woorks fine, except it only displays on my PC monitor

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gentoo-user7184:

all of my recordings have been flag and transcoded earlier today while i was out

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ravalox:

okay, I've deleted and rescanned

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ravalox:

and my channels are still static

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gentoo-user7184:

and if i restart the backend it goes back to normal

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ho_9:

ravalox: cable plugged in?

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gentoo-user7184:

its just after i use it to watch tv

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ho_9:

ravalox: what capture card?

[04:55:20]

ravalox:

On certain channels I can vaguely see and hear the content

[04:55:25]

ravalox:

PVR150

[04:55:37]

ravalox:

this worked fine and then I moved

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ho_9:

ravalox: try test capture using ivtv tools?

[04:55:53]

ravalox:

I did, same results

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ho_9:

ravalox: did you set a frequency before test capture?

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ravalox:

how would I do that?

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ho_9:

ravalox: easiest if ivtv-tune

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gentoo-user7184:

Anybody got an ideas as to why this may be happening?

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ravalox:

Oh sorry, I did use this

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ho_9:

ravalox: frequency or channel? if channel which freqtable?

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Neviii:

my program guide will not come up, S or using the OSD.. help

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ravalox:

us-cable

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gentoo-user7184:

is http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ the best place to report a bg

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xris:

gentoo-user7184: yes, but unless you have a backtrace or some sort of backend log, it'll probably get closed as a user config error

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ho_9:

ravalox: are you sure your system doesn't use us-cable-hrc? or irc?

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ravalox:

what is hrc?

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ho_9:

ravalox: another cable tv standard

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ho_9:

ravalox: try 'ivtv-tune -c 2 -t us-cable-hrc' and then try a capture

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ravalox:

I get a different kind of static there

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ho_9:

ravalox: this is us cable, right? not OTA?

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ravalox:

yeah, uscable

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ho_9:

ravalox: are you sure there is a signal on the cable? try plugging it into a tv and see what picture you get?

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gentoo-user7184:

yea thats what i figure

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gentoo-user7184:

it weird bc i can't make it do it again but i mean it has happened 7–8 times the last three days

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xris:

gentoo-user7184: bug won't help unless it's reproducable or comes with a backtrace

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RyeBrye3:

My Radeon RV200's TV out sucks... and doing some digging it sounds like it is bound to suck (It also identifies itself as a Radeon 7500)

[05:17:50]

RyeBrye3:

nVidia cards have good drivers, right?

[05:17:57]

RyeBrye3:

so this cheapy should work for TV out? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814127121R

[05:18:08]

RyeBrye3:

(SDTV of course)

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gentoo-user7184:

just happened again

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gentoo-user7184:

i dunno what could be causing it from my config

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gentoo-user7184:

is there anyway to find out what mythbackend is doing?

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simcop2387:

turn on logging to everything and check the logs

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regicide666:

what happened

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gentoo-user7184:

how do u turn on logging for everything?

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simcop2387:

edit the /etc/conf.d/mythbackend file IIRC

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simcop2387:

it tells you how in there

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simcop2387:

RyeBrye3: yea the drivers are decent for tv out, best quality is with a tv that has dvi/vga in

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RyeBrye3:

thanks

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JoeyJoeJo:

I've got an epia 10000 motherboard with the cle266 chipset.. do I remember correctly that I read somewhere that .20 supports this board better than previous versions?

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gentoo-user7184:

thanks simpcop i'll try that and see wht it tell me

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feld_:

any gentooers here getting "Failed to start recorder" and seg faults with the backend using the latest .20 ebuild?

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sam__:

where's the best place to start looking if i tell mythfrontend to 'watch tv' and it just comes up blank until it times out?

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sam__:

(xawtv seems to work just fine)

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Anduin:

sam__: backend log

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sam__:

thanks

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Anduin:

possibly with -v all,nodatabase

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feld_:

wtf argh

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feld_:

i see it now in the logs

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feld_:

compiled without mpeg support

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feld_:

there's a new use flag for mythtv i didnt see in the changelog; "ivtv"

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gordonjl_:

can anyone tell me why I get video & audio on my pc's monitor, but only audio for my pvr 350's tv-out?

[05:53:12]

feld_:

or wait, there was one when I compiled on thursday but it's been removed since? =S

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feld_:

yup.. DAMNIT

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RyeBrye3:

yum -install Microsoft_Windows_XP

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RyeBrye3:

error: segmentation fault

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RyeBrye3:

;)

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** RyeBrye3 is really tired now **

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feld_:

on the 17th I compiled I was fine; my update to .20 was smooth. on the 21st i compiled the updates but didn't restart mythtv processes until today

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** RyeBrye3 is going to bed **

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feld_:

so on the 21st i missed the new use flags, on the 22nd they removed them because it was pointless

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kormoc:

0.20_p11244 here, and it's working fine

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feld_:

kormoc: they added new use flags for the 11244 and I didnt notice

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feld_:

so I compiled it without ivtv support

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feld_:

the current 11244 doesnt have that use flag anymore haaha

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kormoc:

my 11244 doesn't have a ivtv use flag

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feld_:

http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/*checkou . . . tv/ChangeLog

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feld_:

i got caught in the middle LOL

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kormoc:

heh

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feld_:

thats what i get for not paying closer attention when dealing with unstable packages

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sam__:

ring buffer never fills up

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sam__:

then it aborts after a while

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feld_:

wow ccache rules though

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feld_:

only 7 minutes to compile mythtv

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john___:

is anyone in here

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john___:

im having some trouble compiling mythplugins

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feld_:

john___: not I

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john___:

main.cpp:19:32: error: mythtv/mythcontext.h: No such file or directory

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john___:

im getting a few errors like that when i run make

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john___:

i already did make and make install for mythtv

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feld_:

maybe you have to point where the mythtv sources are?

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feld_:

i'm not an expert on that, so that's my best guess

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john___:

yeah i think its a problem with mythlibs

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john___:

libmyth

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john___:

if i do locate mythcontext.h i can see the file

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Anduin:

john___: If you did a make && make install for the main part it wouldn't have that problem (unless it is a prefix issue)

[06:19:36]

john___:

i did a make --prefix=/usr

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john___:

then make install

[06:19:51]

john___:

then for mythplugins i did make --prefix=/usr

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john___:

and i get the file not found errors

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Anduin:

a configure?

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john___:

yeah

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john___:

sorry

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Anduin:

Looking at of of the compile lines should tell you if it is looking in the right directory

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john___:

I've been trying to get this to work for hours now, and im sure its somthing simple, i just dont know how to fix it

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john___:

cd mytharchive && make -f Makefile

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john___:

make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/src/mythplugins/mytharchive'

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john___:

cd mytharchive && make -f Makefile

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john___:

make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/src/mythplugins/mytharchive/mytharchive'

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john___:

g++ -c -pipe -Wall -W -fomit-frame-pointer -D_REENTRANT -DPIC -fPIC -D_GNU_SOURCE -DPREFIX=\"\" -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -DQT_NO_DEBUG -DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT -DQT_PLUGIN -DQT_SHARED -DQT_TABLET_SUPPORT -I/usr/share/qt3/mkspecs/default -I. -I/include -I/usr/kde/3.3/include -I/include -I/include/mythtv -I../../../../../include/qt3 -o main.o main.cpp

[06:21:56]

john___:

main.cpp:19:32: error: mythtv/mythcontext.h: No such file or directory

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ShockValue:

weee.. just bought a 5 port gigabit switch.. that should make the HD xfers faster :)

[06:22:42]

ShockValue:

john___ : check out pastebin.ca :)

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Anduin:

johnnyss: You can see that it doesn't have PREFIX and the include is wrong

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john___:

http://pastebin.ca/180751

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john___:

i just did a ./configure with the prefix and then make... and posted the first few lines of output of the make

[06:25:11]

kormoc:

you didn't give the right include path to the myth headers

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Anduin:

john___: make distclean, configure make and I'll believe

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john___:

thanks for the link ShockValue

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ShockValue:

handy tool to show people large amounts of data without getting the flood kick :)

[06:26:30]

john___:

did that heres the output http://pastebin.ca/180753

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john___:

kormoc what is the correct include path for the myth headers

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kormoc:

whever you have them installed to?

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kormoc:

they're in one of two things, the mythplugin sources or the mythtv sources

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john___:

i did a locate and got this/usr/local/src/mythtv/libs/libmyth/mythcontext.h

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kormoc:

so there's your include path

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kormoc:

tho it seems different then the plugin is looking for

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Anduin:

john___: Which jives not a bit with the prefix you claim to be using currently.

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kormoc:

root@mythbuntu:/usr/local/src/mythplugins# ./configure --prefix=/usr --enable-aac

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kormoc:

that --prefix needs to be the same one you installed myth with

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kormoc:

which seems to be /usr/local/

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kormoc:

?

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john___:

no, i downloaded the source to /usr/local

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john___:

then i ran the ./config with a --prefix=/usr

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john___:

ill try that now

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Anduin:

Unless you did an updatedb your locate probably isn't finding it.

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john___:

i did

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john___:

and i just did a ./config --prefix=/usr/local ... same error

[06:33:03]

john___:

i downloaded myth source from svn (.20.1-fixes branch)

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Anduin:

not surprising as it is wrong, did your initial make install even work?

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kormoc:

john___, just a fyi, it's just 0.20-fixes, .1 isn't out yet

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john___:

oh

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john___:

im using the fixes one

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john___:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Installing_M . . . buntu_Breezy

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john___:

i was following that guide for the most part

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john___:

i did a configure --prefix=/usr then make then make install

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john___:

from the mythtv dir

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john___:

and that worked... took about 15 minutes

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Anduin:

john___: Then you would have /usr/include/mythtv

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john___:

then (as per the readme) i waited until the end of the make install to start compiling mythplugins by using the same sequence

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Anduin:

Which is exactly what you would do to make it work

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john___:

but i get this error

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Anduin:

Do you, in fact, have a /usr/include/mythtv?

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john___:

no

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john___:

i just did ls /usr/include/mythtv

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john___:

nothing

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Anduin:

Then I suggest the initial make install failed

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Anduin:

You were root when you ran it?

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john___:

yes

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john___:

i have /usr/bin/mythtv

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Anduin:

john___: Go do a make install back in the main directory, log it this time, and pastebin it

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john___:

http://pastebin.ca/180756

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john___:

ok

[06:39:04]

john___:

thanks very much for your help, this has been driving me nuts

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john___:

heres the output http://pastebin.ca/180757

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Anduin:

john___: echo $QTDIR

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john___:

blank

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Anduin:

john___: locate libqt-mt.prl

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john___:

/usr/lib/libqt-mt.prl

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john___:

/usr/share/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.prl

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Esotericisms:

anyone upgrade from 0.19 to 0.20 on fedora core 3 yet?

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Anduin:

john___: Well that is the problem, I don't know why it is using that path... hmm... recalling something now, uh, try moving the source out of /usr

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Skaface:

gah, i cant get mythmusic to play music through my s/pdif output anymore

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Skaface:

it broke when i upgraded to 0.19, and still doesnt work with 0.20

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john___:

where should i move it to?

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Anduin:

john___: /tmp, ~/mythdev, wherever, just something to try

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john___:

ok moved to /tmp/mythtv

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john___:

im going to recompile from scratch, i have set QTDIR=/usr/share/qt3 and did make uninstall make clean make depclean

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john___:

./configure ... make ... make install will work i hope

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ShockValue:

seems like ubuntu has lots of trouble installing mythtv? ive never used it, but lots of questions the last few days it seems

[07:16:45]

nuonguy:

I haven't been able to get mythplugins to build

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nuonguy:

I get error messages like '/usr/lib/libmythavcodec-0.20.so.0: undefined reference to `XvMCLoadQMatrix''

[07:17:25]

nuonguy:

I've tried it with the default settings

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kormoc:

ubuntu always has issues with myth, given they don't like to suport it very much

[07:17:33]

nuonguy:

I've tried it with disabling xvmc

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nuonguy:

anyone here successfully building mythplugins?

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kormoc:

I have

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nuonguy:

do you know what the error message about XvMCLoadQMatrix means?

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kormoc:

nope, but google might

[07:27:24]

nuonguy:

working on it

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Paladine:

OS X is basically bsd for macs right?

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john___:

i still cant get mythplugins to build

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john___:

i get /usr/local/include/mythtv/mythdialogs.h:48:38: error: libmythui/mythmainwindow.h: No such file or directory

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kormoc:

Paladine, in a super vague sense, sure

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kormoc:

if you don't count everything else that is apple specific, it does run on a bsd kernel

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Paladine:

just curious how dificult it would be to port an OSX driver to linux

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JohnQ:

I seem to be getting a lot of segmentation faults with the debian 0.20 ... anyone else getting them? or just me?

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Paladine:

given that osx uses a bsd kernel

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kormoc:

well, no harder then porting any other bsd driver to linux, which tends to be rather hard

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Paladine:

I am frustrated cos I have 4 webcams (all usb) and none of them have linux drivers :/

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Anduin:

john___: It is passing the right -I now?

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Paladine:

but one of them has OSX drivers

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JohnQ:

me?

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JohnQ:

-I? what?

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kormoc:

JohnQ, no, there's a guy named john___ in here too

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JohnQ:

ya I know.. but a lot of time people's irc clients tab complete peoples names.. and a lot of times they get completed wrong.

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JohnQ:

How about VCDs .. anyone manage to get that to work in 0.20? Mine segfaults every time I try.

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Anduin:

JohnQ: VCDs are player with mplayer

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JohnQ:

yep.. for whatever reason, mplayer cant find the right codec and exists. then mythfrontend crashes.

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kormoc:

sounds like your install is just foobared

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** JohnQ rolls his eyes. **

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kormoc:

well, you could always use gdb and debug your crash...

[07:50:44]

JohnQ:

As far as I know the executable has no debugging symbols in it.

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kormoc:

you can always compile them in

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JohnQ:

Im using the debian package. I did not compile it myself.

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kormoc:

well, you could always submit a bug report to the debian maintainer then

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Anduin:

There is very little involved in launching mplayer code wise,

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JohnQ:

Ya. thats not the only place it crashes either.

[07:54:07]

JohnQ:

I guess I should have never upgraded to 0.20

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Anduin:

Yea, clearly 0.20 is the problem.

[07:55:23]

JohnQ:

well.. it all worked in 0.19 ... so... yeah. It is.

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kormoc:

actually, no, it's more the 0.20 debian package is the problem

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JohnQ:

which is what I upgraded to... so... as I said... I shouldnt have upgraded.

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kormoc:

that's hardly our fault that they're broken :P

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JohnQ:

I never said it was..

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kormoc:

you seem to be implying it is

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** kormoc shrugs **

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JohnQ:

Im not. You are completely absolved of any culpability.

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JohnQ:

ah crap. I think I am going to have to just wipe this machine and start over with a new distro and use the svn version.

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Adhfhdsfjshfkjds:

fedora and atrpms version of mythtv works perfectly

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** JohnQ cringes **

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JohnQ:

Fedora?

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kormoc:

it's better then ubuntu

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JohnQ:

I agree.

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john___:

ok heres a link to my command line log... im having a hard time compiling mythplugins .20-fixes branch from subversion

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john___:

http://pastebin.ca/180884

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kormoc:

ubuntu and myth is more broken officially then yours seems to be

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john___:

any advice would be much appreciated

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JohnQ:

I cant believe I am even considering fedora.

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JohnQ:

Adhfhdsfjshfkjds: do you use rpms? or build from svn?

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Anduin:

john___: Seeing the make install would be more useful

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john___:

ok

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john___:

i think the build is working now

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JohnQ:

about how much space does FC5 need for its root partition? 10G suitable?

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Anduin:

JohnQ: more than enough

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Narkov:

does anyone know what scale the SNR values are for DVB-T ?

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Narkov:

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Juski:

Narkov: looks like you've got a very very bad signal there

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Narkov:

i agree but i want to know HOW bad so I can fiddle with it

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Narkov:

whats the scale/ratio ?

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nuonguy:

JohnQ: What's wrong with fedora?

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nuonguy:

I use it almost everywhere I don't have to use Solaris

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nuonguy:

even on my laptop

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JohnQ:

Its just very much against my personal preferences.

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nuonguy:

why?

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kormoc:

Narkov, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal-to-noise_ratio

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JohnQ:

I prefer more hands-on distros.

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nuonguy:

"hands-on"?

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kormoc:

JohnQ, well, gentoo has really good myth support, as does slackware and of course linux from scratch....

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Narkov:

kormoc: i'm familiar with SNR ratios but those numbers aren't in decibels obviosly

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Juski:

Narkov: signal level is okay but BER (bit error rate) and unc (uncorrectable errors) should ideally be close to zero. UNC should certainly be zero if you don't like glitchy TV

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JohnQ:

I dont want my machine doing anything, or installing anything I didnt specifically request. And fedora is not designed for people like me.

[08:34:53]

JohnQ:

debian is... but apparently debian + mythtv is shaky

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nuonguy:

JohnQ: I don't see how that could possibly be true

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kormoc:

Narkov, actually, it could be decibels, it seems like a ungodly bad signal

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Juski:

JohnQ: I'm changing over to ubuntu today

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Narkov:

yeah it is bad...i'm getting lock but breakups

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DrSpin:

I'm trying to configure mythTV with my ATI card... the setup app won't let me scan for channles

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DrSpin:

any thoughts?

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JohnQ:

well... it crashes a lot.. and all of the settings are not compatible with debian's setup..

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nuonguy:

JohnQ: I think you've been the victim of some ms-style fud

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kormoc:

nuonguy, sure it is, how do you install say nmap without the gtk frontend in fedora? short answer, you can't.

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Narkov:

kormoc: do you know how to convert those values to dB ?

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Anduin:

DrSpin: ATI as in analog capture card?

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nuonguy:

well, nmap is a separate app from nmap-fe

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nuonguy:

I can install nmap with nmap-fe

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DrSpin:

Anduin: if by anaolog you mean plain old cable then yes

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kormoc:

Narkov, sadly, I don't know, no

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JohnQ:

I mean.. the debian automounder fights with mythtv... the udev setup for debian fights with lirc... etc etc.. Its just not well matched.

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kormoc:

nuonguy, okay... what about xchat support without the perl bindings but the python bindings?

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Anduin:

DrSpin: Yeah, don't channel scan

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nuonguy:

I haven't tried xchat

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kormoc:

nuonguy, in short, you're limited to what the package maintainers feel are the right compile flags and depends, if you don't want to compile it yourself

[08:38:09]

nuonguy:

kormoc: have you actually tried any of that?

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nuonguy:

as with any distro

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john___:

ive been hammering away at this for hours.... victory!!!!!!!!!!!

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kormoc:

nuonguy, yeah, currently my xchat here at home doesn't have the perl bindings but does have the python bindings, compiled via portage on gentoo

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john___:

now im going to bed, good luck to you all... and thanks for the help

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JohnQ:

I suppose I can just install the packages and compile from svn and keep using debian..

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nuonguy:

have you tried that with fedora?

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nuonguy:

how do you know these things?

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kormoc:

nuonguy, sure, I admin a bunch of fedora boxes and it's rather full of packages I don't need, but are depends because of how the maintainer built them.

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nuonguy:

oh, I see

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kormoc:

nuonguy, it's nothing really against fedora, it's just a limitation designed to make the more linux unsavy people feel more at home, tis all

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nuonguy:

you're beef is with packagers

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DrSpin:

ok — anduin: ok — so since the Ubuntu's installer doesn't create all the necessary tables to complete the install of mythtv (for zap2it) where can I find those schemas so I can add them manually?

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kormoc:

nuonguy, nah, fedora just doesn't have a good way to handle it. would you want say 300 xchat packages with each possible combination?

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nuonguy:

None of that has ever been a problem with anyone I've ever met

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nuonguy:

unles they're seriously constrained on disk space

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kormoc:

nuonguy, it's not a problem, it's just unneeded

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Anduin:

DrSpin: run mythtv-setup, input your info, exit, run mythfilldatabase

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DrSpin:

yeah... dies

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kormoc:

nuonguy, nah, it's not even that. I just don't like having things on my box that can screw up later

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Anduin:

DrSpin: Where?

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nuonguy:

I can live with people bundling everything into a package to save me the effort of building it myself

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kormoc:

I don't use dbus at all, no point in it on my workstation at work, so why should I have to handle it if it breaks and everything depends on it?

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DrSpin:

Anduin: hang on a sec... I'll let the whole thing run and I'll pastebin it for you

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nuonguy:

I just did 'yum deplist nmap' and there's no gtk or anything else needed for it

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kormoc:

nmap was a bad example then

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kormoc:

I'm recalling from memory

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mchou:

damn.....

[08:44:46]

mchou:

that show "Six Feet Under" is damn good

[08:45:01]

mchou:

just started season 1 on DVD today

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JohnQ:

strange.. mplayer cant play this vcd..

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nuonguy:

I'm looking at xchat and I don't see a requirement for either perl or python

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mchou:

almost good enough to make me wanna subscribe to HBO

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kormoc:

nuonguy, it's the difference between someone who says, 'I want the computer to do X and *only* X and nothing more' and someone who says,'I just want the comptuer to do X'

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kormoc:

nuonguy, they're optional compile time flags, it could be that fedora's xchat doesn't support either of them out of the box

[08:46:54]

nuonguy:

mchou: how far are you into the season?

[08:46:59]

nuonguy:

I've only watched the first season

[08:47:02]

JohnQ:

fedora just tries to do too many thing for me automatically.. and I *HATE* that.

[08:47:12]

nuonguy:

JohnQ: automatically?

[08:47:15]

mchou:

nuonguy: just starting on Season 2, dont give anything away pls

[08:47:18]

JohnQ:

yes

[08:47:20]

nuonguy:

k

[08:47:25]

nuonguy:

like what?

[08:47:27]

kormoc:

god, I hate it when fedora overwrites my config files on a package update

[08:47:39]

JohnQ:

Like installing X wether you want it or not. :-)

[08:47:48]

nuonguy:

JohnQ: When does it do that?

[08:47:52]

kormoc:

yeah, keeping X off of my servers is a pain...

[08:47:54]

nuonguy:

kormoc: example please?

[08:48:05]

kormoc:

a lot of the 'default' config tools 'require' X

[08:48:07]

mchou:

nuonguy: I think 6 ft. is better than sopranos

[08:48:09]

JohnQ:

like managing my config files.. like pressuring me into setting up a firewall the way IT wants to..

[08:48:18]

nuonguy:

never watched sopranos

[08:48:28]

mchou:

nuonguy: sopranos have been outta steam for a long time

[08:48:38]

kormoc:

nuonguy, okay, I installed a updated dhcpcd on a computer, and it overwrote my /etc/dhcpd.conf file with the default one from the package, thus wiping all of my changes

[08:48:57]

JohnQ:

Ya.. thats one reason I hate fedora too.. debian s nice about that.

[08:48:58]

nuonguy:

did you noticed that it created dhcpd.rpmsave?

[08:49:02]

mchou:

nuonguy: so you watched ALL of 6t.?

[08:49:08]

kormoc:

nuonguy, of course, it was a bug in the rpm, and they fixed it soon after I reported it, but I just feel that there should have been a way around that

[08:49:10]

nuonguy:

just the first season, almost

[08:49:12]

kormoc:

nuonguy, actually, it didn't

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JohnQ:

not the point.. it shouldnt touch my config files without permission

[08:49:24]

nuonguy:

that's a bug

[08:49:28]

mchou:

nuonguy: I borrowed DVDs from the library

[08:49:31]

JohnQ:

still not the point

[08:49:32]

nuonguy:

ah

[08:49:37]

kormoc:

yeah

[08:49:45]

kormoc:

my config files are mine and shouldn't change

[08:49:55]

mchou:

nuonguy: great library system in Santa Clara County :)

[08:49:59]

nuonguy:

also, that's never been a problem for me

[08:50:05]

kormoc:

toss that config file into /usr/share/dhcpd/dhcpd.conf like it should be

[08:50:05]

nuonguy:

I live 1/2 block from the library

[08:50:08]

JohnQ:

if it changes *ANYTING* I have customized.. first it should ask.. and if I say no.. it shouldnt even ask me if I am sure.

[08:50:11]

mchou:

nuonguy: almost as good as netflix

[08:50:12]

nuonguy:

my so borrows movies from there

[08:50:32]

DrSpin:

Anduin: driver error 2/1064 — couldn't execute query — syntax error

[08:50:39]

mchou:

nuonguy: which one? Mt. View?

[08:50:47]

nuonguy:

JohnQ: The only thing that does that to my is xorg with my xorg.conf file

[08:50:51]

nuonguy:

yeah

[08:51:00]

DrSpin:

while inserting into dd_schedule

[08:51:10]

DrSpin:

starting at repeat,

[08:51:14]

mchou:

nuonguy: Mt. View lib is not as good as Santa Clara County

[08:51:27]

DrSpin:

i'm using mysql5

[08:51:28]

mchou:

nuonguy: not as much selection.....

[08:51:31]

nuonguy:

but, it's closer :-)

[08:51:43]

Anduin:

DrSpin: MySQL 5 and myth .18?

[08:51:48]

JohnQ:

Good example.. my xorg conf file is very specialized.. the ati drivers are very different than standard ones. If something changed them, I would have to shut down.. attach a monitor.. and reboot in order to get it back to normal.

[08:51:49]

DrSpin:

Table 'mythconverg.dd_v_program' doesn't exist

[08:51:50]

kormoc:

nuonguy, that's another thing I dislike, I don't like it when they don't give out vanilla packages. sometimes fedora specific patches actually break packages (there was a named issue with fedora core 4 that a fedora specifc patch introduced a buffer overflow). it just bugs me

[08:51:57]

mchou:

nuonguy: but you can get all5 seasons of 6 ft at mt. view?

[08:52:01]

DrSpin:

not sure what version of myth — hang on

[08:52:14]

nuonguy:

mchou: haven't looked for them

[08:52:26]

mchou:

nuonguy: netflix then?

[08:52:28]

nuonguy:

I watched them when they first aired – I had hbo then

[08:52:29]

kormoc:

nuonguy, not saying it's not a good distro for a lot of people, it's just not right for everyone :)

[08:52:36]

nuonguy:

kormoc: sure

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mchou:

nuonguy: ahh.....

[08:52:41]

DrSpin:

yes 0.18

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nuonguy:

I agree that the overwriting xorg.conf is a pita

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Juski:

all distros are evil... it's just that different ones are evil in different ways

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mchou:

nuonguy: so did you find 6 ft. boring or what? I mean why did you stop HBO?

[08:53:17]

nuonguy:

but, I'm not that picky with hard drive space being $.33/GB

[08:53:21]

kormoc:

Juski, hey now! My gentoo is the most perfect thing in all the world, so soft and huggable and wonderful!!! ;)

[08:53:21]

nuonguy:

I loved it!

[08:53:22]

Anduin:

It saves your old xorg.conf and has for some time.

[08:53:23]

nuonguy:

I moved

[08:53:33]

nuonguy:

it always saved my xorg.conf file

[08:53:47]

kormoc:

nuonguy, heh, it's not harddrive space, it's more how much extra work it causes to get it how I'd like it to be, tis all

[08:53:49]

mchou:

nuonguy: they dont have hbo where you live now?

[08:53:49]

Juski:

kormoc: so was my gentoo, until it got into an un-updated state of disrepair

[08:53:53]

nuonguy:

the problem for me was that I'd reboot days (or weeks) after I'd forgotten that I'd installed a new X

[08:54:19]

kormoc:

yeah, that's a perfect example of why I think it should never touch config files

[08:54:30]

nuonguy:

mchou: They do, but it requires the digital service and I haven't been able to accept the challange of integrating a cable box into my current mythtv setup

[08:54:30]

Juski:

what's driven me to dislike gentoo so much is all the 'improvements' they keep making

[08:54:41]

kormoc:

ooh? such as?

[08:54:45]

mchou:

nuonguy: who is cable provider?

[08:54:51]

nuonguy:

comcast

[08:55:07]

mchou:

nuonguy: bah, then it's easy to get HBO then :)

[08:55:13]

Juski:

kormoc: all the portage upgrades, ebuilds that make you upgrade stuff that takes forever to compile....

[08:55:22]

mchou:

nuonguy: as long as you pay :)

[08:55:23]

nuonguy:

recently I have come to *HATE* comcast cuz they drop all redhat.com email silently

[08:55:29]

kormoc:

Ahh, all the x.x.x to x.x.x-r1 stuff?

[08:55:33]

mchou:

nuonguy: really??

[08:55:47]

nuonguy:

If I could go satellite I'd drop them in a heartbeat and go with DSL

[08:55:49]

Juski:

you _will_ upgrade to xorg 7.0, even if you don't really want to cos X works just fine

[08:55:57]

kormoc:

ooh, hrm

[08:56:03]

mchou:

nuonguy: never has been a problem for me (email)

[08:56:10]

nuonguy:

from redhat.com?

[08:56:16]

mchou:

nuonguy: yup

[08:56:23]

nuonguy:

dude, you're using comcast for IP?

[08:56:29]

mchou:

nuonguy: yup

[08:56:32]

kormoc:

yeah, that was actually a surprise to me too, given how large of a base xfree still had in gentoo, yet alone xorg 6.8

[08:56:38]

nuonguy:

then wtf do I no longer get anything from redhat.com????

[08:56:49]

mchou:

nuonguy: lol, dont ask me

[08:57:05]

mchou:

nuonguy: I get email from redhat all the time

[08:57:06]

Juski:

kormoc: I made the fatal mistake of only upgrading stuff when I needed to upgrade mythtv, then I miss all the important upgrade notes that scroll past as I leave stuff to emerge overnight

[08:57:41]

nuonguy:

you're aware of their email policy, right? It was in the news

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kormoc:

Juski, yeah, there's a /var/log/emerge.log that keeps all that stuff so you could look at it later, but alas, it seems like very few people know about it, and it is rather sucky to use

[08:57:54]

Juski:

then I'm left to think "ahhh, well pardon me for not reading every single fucking gentoo forum post"

[08:57:57]

nuonguy:

another domain they're dropping is alum.mit.edu

[08:57:58]

mchou:

nuonguy: I mean I almost hate to say this, but comcast knows their stuff here.....

[08:58:08]

mchou:

nuonguy: no frigging way

[08:58:14]

nuonguy:

yup

[08:58:18]

mchou:

nuonguy: I'm an alum and I get emails

[08:58:27]

nuonguy:

they claim they're protecting themselves from sources of spam

[08:58:36]

nuonguy:

this was in the news...

[08:58:37]

Juski:

kormoc: well I've made up my mind. I'm putting a new HDD in the box & going off

[08:58:42]

** nuonguy looks for a link **

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mchou:

nuonguy: I dunno what's going on on your end

[08:58:54]

kormoc:

Juski, yeah, understandable, g'luck and god speed!

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mchou:

nuonguy: yeah, would appreciate link

[08:59:20]

Juski:

I'm not gonna use the ubuntu packages for mythtv though. I don't want to be mollycoddled

[08:59:32]

mchou:

nuonguy: I'm even on mitcnc

[08:59:37]

nuonguy:

it was on /. so you know it's gotta be true: http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/ . . . amp;from=rss

[08:59:43]

Juski:

lol

[08:59:57]

mchou:

nuonguy: lol. /. aint a credible news souce

[09:00:18]

nuonguy:

http://life.firelace.com/2006/08/comcast_bloc . . . orts_of.html

[09:01:00]

mchou:

nuonguy: block on MIT was lifted :)

[09:01:01]

kormoc:

nuonguy, when backing up a slashdot story, you might want to use one that isn't getting their info from slashdot

[09:01:03]

nuonguy:

it's effing lame and hippocritical seeing as lots of spam originates from pwzerd windows boxes

[09:01:21]

nuonguy:

you question /.?!?!?!?

[09:01:27]

nuonguy:

Don't say that lest they hear you!

[09:01:35]

nuonguy:

They'll revoke your geek badge!

[09:01:38]

mchou:

nuonguy: I find comcast email to have the least effective mail filters

[09:01:39]

** kormoc emails taco **

[09:01:58]

mchou:

nuonguy: I wish I got less spam in my comcast box

[09:02:19]

Juski:

give /. their dues... the company that owns them pays for the hosting of open source projects

[09:02:20]

nuonguy:

http://www.gatago.com/ne/general/27916283.html

[09:02:49]

mchou:

nuonguy: which MIT class were you in?

[09:03:32]

nuonguy:

I didn't go to MIT

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mchou:

nuonguy: ok

[09:04:23]

mchou:

nuonguy: I thought you were orwarding your MIT emails :)

[09:04:27]

nuonguy:

nope

[09:04:30]

mchou:

forwarding*

[09:04:36]

nuonguy:

I was hearing coworkers gripe about it

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mchou:

lol

[09:04:54]

mchou:

nuonguy: stop believing hearsay

[09:05:18]

mchou:

I tell ya ttbmk I never lost mit email

[09:05:23]

Juski:

time to back up the db...

[09:05:26]

mchou:

nor redhat

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[09:05:53]

nuonguy:

it must be fedora's fault! ;)

[09:06:22]

mchou:

nuonguy: although it wouldnt surprise me that some overzealous admin blackeholed certain open relays

[09:06:33]

mchou:

over at comcast

[09:07:11]

mchou:

but comcast email sucks anyways

[09:07:13]

nuonguy:

which means I'd have to get on the phone with those bitches

[09:07:33]

mchou:

they have the least effect mail filters

[09:07:53]

mchou:

so far for email google has been most spam resilient for me.

[09:08:07]

nuonguy:

yahoo has been really, really good for me

[09:08:09]

mah_meh:

at least it took 30–40hrs for it to break, as opposed to a couple with the old driver

[09:08:14]

mchou:

or I should say gmail

[09:08:24]

nuonguy:

I went months without, and the recently I've been getting one or two spams a week

[09:08:48]

Juski:

custom channel change script, backed up...

[09:08:48]

mchou:

I dont understand why anyone would want to use yahoo

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mchou:

nuonguy: I dont even think yahoo offers POP or SMTP

[09:09:30]

nuonguy:

I used it years ago, then kept it, and then started paying for it

[09:09:36]

nuonguy:

they offer pop if you pay for it

[09:09:42]

mchou:

nuonguy: not unless you pay anyways

[09:10:20]

mchou:

if email doesnt offer POP or SMTP it's virtually useless. :)

[09:10:34]

mchou:

and yahoo has silently dropped my emails

[09:10:51]

mchou:

(emails coming to me, that is.)

[09:11:19]

mchou:

for a while I wondered how come I didnt get email from my gf......

[09:11:29]

mchou:

that's how I found out

[09:11:46]

mchou:

after that I said "screw yahoo"

[09:12:01]

nuonguy:

I haven't noticed any yet...

[09:12:19]

nuonguy:

dammit, these f***ers are going to make me host my own email server

[09:12:45]

JohnQ:

well.. if you get random emails from people you dont know that say things like "Get sex now!" .. you want it to drop it.... but if it comes from your gf... maybe not. Its a fine line.

[09:12:52]

mchou:

nuonguy: nah, just give gmail a try unless there is real sensitive stuff

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mchou:

JohnQ: lol. My gf wasnt that way.

[09:13:23]

mchou:

JohnQ: no steamy emails :)

[09:13:34]

JohnQ:

Sorry :-/

[09:13:50]

** nuonguy blushes **

[09:13:52]

mchou:

JohnQ: they just blackholed her email domain or such such shit

[09:14:06]

JohnQ:

ah how nice.. gotta love em.

[09:14:34]

nuonguy:

they?

[09:14:37]

JohnQ:

AHA! I was missing the winblows codecs for mplayer!

[09:14:40]

mchou:

JohnQ: I would had no problem w/ yahoo if they said beforehand which domains they blocked......

[09:14:56]

mchou:

nuonguy: they=yahoo

[09:15:19]

Paladine:

bwahahaha phear my uberness

[09:15:25]

Paladine:

I got my webcam working :)

[09:15:36]

Paladine:

now how the hell to change the zoom and enable its audio

[09:16:21]

nuonguy:

Paladine: what do you use to view?

[09:16:37]

Paladine:

I just used vlc initially

[09:16:47]

JohnQ:

whats wrong with this syntax: select from settings where data like "%mplayer%"; Im not as sql savy as I should be.

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mchou:

JohnQ: select *

[09:17:28]

jblack:

Hello. Does anyone know of a debian repo for myth tv?

[09:17:36]

JohnQ:

ah thanks

[09:18:26]

JohnQ:

delete from settings where data like "%mplayer%";

[09:18:32]

JohnQ:

whoops... wrong window.

[09:19:17]

nuonguy:

kormoc: you got me reading openbash.org

[09:20:01]

nuonguy:

openbash.org led my train of thoughts to the landover baptist church: http://www.landoverbaptist.org/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landover_Baptist_Church

[09:20:50]

mchou:

nuonguy: haha, that's incredibly funny

[09:20:59]

jblack:

The reason I ask is that while I'm able to find plenty of references to debian repos, they seem to point to places that don't exist yet.

[09:21:06]

jblack:

Pardon, don't exist any more.

[09:21:07]

mchou:

"Which founding fathers are burning in hell"

[09:21:34]

JohnQ:

I like the wwjd thong..

[09:21:54]

nuonguy:

then you'll also like betty bowers: http://www.bettybowers.com/

[09:22:00]

nuonguy:

cuz she's a better christian than you

[09:22:02]

nuonguy:

:-)

[09:22:40]

mchou:

nuonguy: nah, betty is nowhere near as funny

[09:23:28]

mah_meh:

jblack, theres some stuff for ubuntu

[09:23:38]

mah_meh:

edgy eft will install 0.20 by default from multiverse

[09:23:52]

JohnQ:

"Here's The Deal: you don't tell me about your personal savior, I don't tell you about my personal yeast infection" AHAHA!

[09:24:28]

mah_meh:

or for dapper you can use

[09:24:38]

mah_meh:

deb http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1 dapper main

[09:24:38]

mah_meh:

deb-src http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1 dapper main

[09:24:54]

mchou:

anybody here happen to use vonage?

[09:25:08]

mchou:

or voip?

[09:25:15]

nuonguy:

Intelligunt desine bwahhahaha

[09:25:22]

jblack:

mah_meh: Yeah. I see the ubuntu packages in the ubuntu repo. I'm hoping to do this for an already existing installaion that has debian on it

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nuonguy:

um, not yet

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jblack:

I suppose I could build the source packages..

[09:28:21]

JohnQ:

anyone able to explain this? http://pastebin.ca/180925 I have libavcodec installed.. its just trying to play a vcd

[09:29:25]

nuonguy:

JohnQ: Sorry don't understand it

[09:29:28]

nuonguy:

gotta go to bed

[09:29:42]

ShockValue:

what -ao are you giving mplayer?

[09:29:56]

JohnQ:

none..

[09:30:13]

Juski:

well, here goes nuffin...

[09:30:20]

JohnQ:

command line was: mplayer vcd:// -cdrom-device /dev/cdrom -zoom -vo xv

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ShockValue:

try giving it -ao alsa

[09:30:31]

ShockValue:

if you use alsa

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JohnQ:

I do.

[09:30:52]

Juski:

I have til 7pm (now 10.30am) to get this working....

[09:30:54]

JohnQ:

Same error.

[09:31:15]

JohnQ:

Juski: the next time the backend is set to record?

[09:31:34]

Juski:

JohnQ: next important recording, yes

[09:31:45]

Juski:

tick, tock, tick, tock....

[09:31:48]

JohnQ:

yep.. Im racing the clock too... I have 3.5 hours

[09:32:17]

Juski:

in that time I have to install ubuntu, get ivtv working, make sure my dvb tuners work, install build-deps, compile mythtv & plugins...

[09:32:54]

mchou:

damn nashbar

[09:34:36]

** DrSpin is updating to myth .2 — hoping for it to work :/ **

[09:35:06]

Juski:

first hurdle... ubuntu's installer has hung at the manual partitioning stage. marvelous

[09:36:30]

mchou:

haha

[09:36:39]

mchou:

are you sure it's hung?

[09:36:53]

mchou:

or just checking bad blocks?

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mchou:

Juski: Ctrl-F2 or F3 to check the console messages

[09:37:51]

mchou:

should tell ya what wnt on :)

[09:37:55]

mchou:

went*

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Puh:

i'm getting a lot of "2006-09–24 12:38:23.094 Program #2100 not found in PAT!

[09:39:03]

Puh:

"

[09:39:13]

Puh:

in the mythbackend log file and the eit data is still broken

[09:40:08]

JohnQ:

can 0.20 play a vcd internally? or just dvds?

[09:40:53]

Juski:

aaand it's hung again. fucking GREAT

[09:41:09]

** Juski suspects sata needs to be disabled **

[09:43:59]

Juski:

nope. already is disabled. stupidbongo

[09:44:58]

mchou:

Juski: just invoke fdisk at the cli

[09:45:05]

Juski:

mchou: what CLI?

[09:45:14]

Juski:

oh yeah.. duh!

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mchou:

ctrl-f3

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Juski:

aye since I know what I'm doing with partioning I'll do it myself

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mah_meh:

edgy eft has problems with the partitioning if there is an existing ntfs partitions on the disk

[09:48:48]

mah_meh:

i had that problem anyway

[09:49:28]

mah_meh:

i used a dos disk and wrote a new mbr and it was ok , for some reason i couldnt run fdisk from the live-cd

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mah_meh:

live-cd = installation cd

[09:51:03]

Juski:

yay! installing :) so much for umbongo being 'one size fits all'

[09:54:51]

degreseven:

anyone know how to change parental level in mythvideo?

[09:56:07]

Juski:

in the video manager perhaps?

[09:56:16]

JohnQ:

akayyyy Now it pays the vcd right... and segfaults *after*

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Juski:

good idea to put parental controls on all your porn.. stop your parents looking at it

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degreseven:

LOL

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DrSpin:

ahhhh ----- 0.2 rules :)

[09:57:04]

degreseven:

my gf's mom is coming up to visit tomorrow

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Juski:

it's 0.20, not 0.2

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Juski:

0.2 was wayyyy wayyyy back

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degreseven:

video manager lets you change the parental level on the files, but how do you switch between levels when you're browsing through them?

[09:58:06]

degreseven:

ie, "hide porn" and "show porn"

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jblack:

I have a hope that I can install mythtv on a server and use laptops over wireless to watch stuff recorded over the local network. Is this practical?

[09:59:19]

mah_meh:

for dvb jblack ?

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jblack:

I don't know.

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** jblack googles dvb **

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mah_meh:

well you might have bandwidth issues with say, HDTV

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jblack:

Yeah, for digital video broadcasting.

[10:00:13]

mah_meh:

but i run regular digital MPEG2 stuff over 802.11g okay

[10:00:23]

Agrajag-:

not for me

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mah_meh:

mythweb is your friend

[10:00:35]

jblack:

I'm happy with a sane resolution

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Agrajag-:

i've tried SD dvb (.au, i thikn around 12mbit) and it couldn't do it

[10:00:53]

mah_meh:

plus theres a streamtvplugin,

[10:01:01]

mah_meh:

which will transcode on the fly, although i havent had to use it

[10:01:10]

Juski:

degreseven: check the mythtv.org wiki

[10:01:18]

degreseven:

Juski, k

[10:01:48]

jblack:

I hope a 2 ghz machine is enough

[10:01:50]

mah_meh:

juski told me about some windows app i need to checkout

[10:02:04]

mah_meh:

tapeworm or some other nasty

[10:02:11]

Juski:

tapeworm

[10:02:30]

mah_meh:

juski == mythtv wiki ... j/k ")

[10:02:58]

mah_meh:

juski.. what dvb tuners are you using

[10:03:46]

Juski:

leadtek lr6650 – very similar to hauppauge nova-t based on conexant cx23880 & LG tuner

[10:03:52]

mah_meh:

first gen pci nova-t's are rubbish, and now i get usb disconnects, everythign works okay except for that, im thinking i should get a new nova-t pci, or maybe a cheap-ass freecom

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mah_meh:

yer, conexant cx.. thats what i was thinking, my pci nova-t is a phillips saa7146

[10:04:36]

Juski:

mah_meh: nothing wrong with the cards.. it's the drivers. they'll get fixed eventualy

[10:04:57]

Juski:

livetv sucks because mythtv takes the driver's word for it that there's no lock yet

[10:05:09]

mah_meh:

i just put another fan in my box incase its heat

[10:05:27]

mah_meh:

maybe we need a best UK hardware wiki page

[10:05:53]

BULLE:

jblack: i dont use mythfrontend over 802.11g, but i have exported the mythbackend recordings via samba, and watch with vl, and that works fine for me

[10:05:59]

BULLE:

vlc

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mah_meh:

thats what i do too bulle

[10:06:34]

mah_meh:

mythweb is my 'mythfrontend'

[10:06:48]

BULLE:

ye, same here

[10:07:01]

Juski:

mah_meh: tell you what we DO need. less fucking armchair experts' blog 'howto' pages

[10:07:25]

Juski:

if it's worth documenting, put it in the goddam wiki

[10:08:09]

mah_meh:

true

[10:08:29]

mah_meh:

are the wiki pages approved

[10:08:43]

Juski:

anyone can verify them & correct them, yes

[10:09:01]

mah_meh:

since im hungover on a regular basis maybe i should look into adding a few

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mah_meh:

mind you i got home 7–1/2 hrs ago, i think .. hehe

[10:11:01]

mah_meh:

soem of the content will no doubt wind up being duplicated

[10:11:04]

mah_meh:

say from linuxtv.org

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mah_meh:

sometimes i think its good to link to similiar content, then suddenly bam, that source, for whatever reason, is gone

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Juski:

you mean like people who link to the knoppmyth wiki without realising you need to be a member just to see it?

[10:17:40]

Paladine:

anyone know how I can use sound that is coming in on /dev/audio2

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mah_meh:

haha yup, dont u hate that

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Paladine:

I just did cat /dev/audio > /dev/dsp but it creates mad noise over the top of the mic

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Paladine:

I did cat /dev/audio2 > /dev/dsp actually but you know what I mean

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Paladine:

how doI set my mic up in alsa to use /dev/audio2 instead of /dev/audio

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Juski:

mic input? not for a tuner I hope...

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Juski:

hmmm

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Juski:

damn stupid partitioner/installer!!

[10:45:06]

Juski:

so it installed okay... no problems.. but it won't boot. nice one

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Juski:

tempted to just clone my old hdd & upgrade gentoo after all

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Juski:

E_fickle_user :)

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mah_meh:

grrr

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mah_meh:

USB disconnect errors

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mah_meh:

last one took 30hrs to appear

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mah_meh:

this one, 45mins

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Super_Cat_Frog:

Hi – im having problems with sound in mythtv – the sound is played back directly, not recorded

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Super_Cat_Frog:

the sound is going through the tv card into the soundcards line in

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Super_Cat_Frog:

and i dont know how to tell mythtv to use linein rather than mic

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mah_meh:

youd probably need to tell the audio driver, rather than myth

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mah_meh:

i use DVB, so i never even have to think about those issues ")

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Super_Cat_Frog:

mah_meh: ye, i have to use anaolgue so i can use cable

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mah_meh:

ahh ro'kay, im too cheap for cable ")

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Juski:

Super_Cat_Frog: use your favourite mixer app in linux to set the recording input channel to 'line in'

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Super_Cat_Frog:

Juski: ta

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mah_meh:

im pissed i might need to buy ANOTHER dvb card as it is due to the sterling driver support in linux

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Juski:

and mute the line input in the playback section

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Super_Cat_Frog:

ta

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** Juski is going out in a bit to buy bits for an in-laws pc :( **

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mah_meh:

hehe 'fix mine' 'fix mine'

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Juski:

great. that's all I need. more fucking tech-support

[11:00:45]

Juski:

er like HELLO! I'm sorting out my own computers today

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mah_meh:

:D

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Juski:

trying to get ubuntu to NOT use all of a 500GB disk

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mah_meh:

fairy enough

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hashbang:

someone mentioned fairy muffs?

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Juski:

loving the advanced partitioner documentation on the ubuntu website :-|

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mah_meh:

that being said i still like ubuntu

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Paladine:

anyone using mythphone?

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mah_meh:

boots quick, support seems pretty good

[11:01:56]

Juski:

I hate ubuntu, but hate it less than any other I've tried

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Juski:

not actually a huge linux lover actually

[11:02:23]

Juski:

or PCs in general, before anyone accuses me of liking MS

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** Paladine wants to test myth phone with someone :) **

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mah_meh:

if computers didnt suck so much id be out of a job

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Paladine:

surely someone is using mythphone?

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jblack:

Ok. So, I'm having trouble running mythtv-setup over the network.

[11:04:11]

jblack:

The mouse pointer isn't showing up

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Juski:

jblack: default behaviour, is that

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jblack:

How am I do checkboxes then?

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jblack:

I tried space and enter.

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Juski:

sometimes right arrow....

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mah_meh:

tab

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mah_meh:

oh duh, checkboxes :)

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mah_meh:

grr driver support is driving me nuts

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mah_meh:

to be point where maybe ill install m$

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mah_meh:

to the*, cant think properly

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mah_meh:

this kernel version breaks this version of that driver, bla bla

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hashbang:

mah_meh: what driver are you having problems with?

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mah_meh:

usb nova-t

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mah_meh:

i just think i foudn another firmware on linuxtv.org

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mah_meh:

i was using deb http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1 dapper main

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mah_meh:

deb-src http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1 dapper main

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mah_meh:

whoops

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mah_meh:

grr, my copy/paste broken

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mah_meh:

i was using dvb-usb-nova-t-usb2–01.fw

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mah_meh:

then i found a dvb-usb-nova-t-usb2–02.fw .. seems alot better

[11:17:10]

mah_meh:

but still get random 'usb disconnects' .. sometimes an hour, sometimes 24 hrs

[11:17:19]

mah_meh:

until that happens everything works fine and dandy

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mah_meh:

i just found a dvb-usb-dibusb-6.0.0.8.fw

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mah_meh:

and the nova-t usb2 uses that chipset

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Paladine:

Ribs you got mythphone installed?

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** Paladine adds "Someone to phone me on mythphone" to the wishliston the mythplugins page ;p **

[11:23:07]

Ribs:

no, I have a real phone

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Paladine:

I just need to check my mic is working

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Paladine:

in mythphone

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mah_meh:

a voip adaptor works alot better ")

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Paladine:

am using the mic in my webcam

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Paladine:

and my webcam :p

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Paladine:

am just chuffed I got my usb webcam working really and wanna show off :p

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mah_meh:

it wouldnt impress me ")

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** Sebulba02 prank calls Paladine from random phones. **

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DrSpin:

question --

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DrSpin:

I'm having horrible audio synch issues

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Paladine:

seb you got mythphone?

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DrSpin:

anyone for audio synch isues?

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Sebulba02:

Paladine: nah, just messing with you :)

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DrSpin:

or could somoene tell me why i'm not getting audio when I play back a show?

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Sebulba02:

Here's the obvious.... speakers plugged in? Audio turned up?

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Sebulba02:

Can you play music?

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Paladine:

am curious if mythphone will notify me of an incoming call if I am using mythtv or mythmusic

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Sebulba02:

Ah, one would hope..

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Paladine:

this is a class song

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Paladine:

Pearl Jam – Indifference

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DrSpin:

yes I'm using a TV Wonder VE (Not the best choice but I had it laying around)

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DrSpin:

if I unmute the Line channel I get sound through the TV

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DrSpin:

but it's not synched and it is always on

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DrSpin:

and realtime

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DrSpin:

I set the Line option to be a capture device...

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DrSpin:

still not behaving as expected

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DrSpin:

all capture chnnels are up and normal MP#/video/DVD works fine

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DrSpin:

*MP3

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Sebulba02:

DrSpin: I don't know anything about that card.. maybe someone else will.

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Honk^away:

how does mythtv which channels should be visible? i've got 2 nearly identical entries in the channel table but only 1 of 'em is selectable as channel

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Honk^away:

(both have visible set to true of course.. and both have the same data entered (just different name/frequencies of course))

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Paladine:

anyoneawake with mythphone installed yet?

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Weezey:

Does anyone else have skipping issues when playing DVDs in Myth? The picture is kinda jumpy. Hard to watch action flicks. Using PVR-350 as output.

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DrSpin:

Is there a place I can tell myth to pull audio from the sound card ?

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gardengnome:

re

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beetle11011:

what kind of disk IO requirements are needed for an HDTV Tuner?

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Paladine:

7zillion rpm

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Sebulba02:

heh

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RaYmAn-Bx:

it depends on what format the tuner card gives the data in =P

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beetle11011:

how about the pcHDTV 3000?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

again: it depends on what format the tuner card gives the data in =P

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beetle11011:

so they will cap in more than one format?

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beetle11011:

didn't know about that feature.

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RaYmAn-Bx:

seems to be mpeg2

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RaYmAn-Bx:

which makes sense since most digital tv is mpeg-2.

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beetle11011:

so that means it would be like dealing with my hauppauge then.

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RaYmAn-Bx:

probably..the resolution might be higher as well as the bitrate, so it depends on that

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Devn:

I set my tv standard to a wrong type (PAL-DK). Anyone remember where in myth-setup you change it, cus I can't find it?

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gardengnome:

in the first step.

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Devn:

ah yes. found it. thank you

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jblack:

Ok. So, How do I get program guide information?

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jblack:

never mind. I figured it out

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gardengnome:

that was quick. ;)

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frankrizzo:

hello

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robert83a1:

hello, I'm using latest mythtv , I've got it connected to widescreen tv via s-video, every game and the menus look fine, but one minor problem is present, when I start to watch a movie (currently one that I ripped from dvd), I got this blue line on top and on the left of the movie's view area , what could be causing this ? (this is not visible on a regular computer monitor)

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frankrizzo:

do dvds that you play do it?

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robert83a1:

to tell the truth I havent checked... I only wanted to watch this movie on my tv for testing.

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frankrizzo:

can you do that?

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robert83a1:

I will do it now, just a sec

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frankrizzo:

also, when your watching tv, how much of the screen is taken up, ie, does it span the whole widescreen, are there bars on the top and bottom?

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robert83a1:

there is the cinemascope present on top and bottom

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frankrizzo:

i think what you can do is use overscan, or adjust the x and y settings of the screen

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Honk^gone:

what's wrong if some of the channels i've got in the list dont show up when watching tv? =)

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frankrizzo:

that way you wont see the blue lines on the screen

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robert83a1:

frankrizzo : the same blue line on top and left is present in the dvd movie as well

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robert83a1:

frankrizzo : If I may how would I do that overscan ? or the adjust x and y settings of the screen (is that the size of screen I can define in xorg.conf)

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frankrizzo:

yeah, you should adjust those settings, right now I cant check mine for where the settings are

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frankrizzo:

well, I am not 100 percent sure, the x and y settings can be done through the myth front end

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frankrizzo:

on one of the appearance settings pages I think

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robert83a1:

ok, I will check

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frankrizzo:

so if you go through those pages, you can find where you change them, and just use trial and error

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frankrizzo:

Honk^gone, not really sure, im not all that great yet with myth tv

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robert83a1:

how can I check the x y size of my screen ? ( that is in cm , or inch or what?)

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frankrizzo:

in that menu you can only adjust it from 0

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frankrizzo:

its treating it as 0 , 0 right now

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robert83a1:

ok

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frankrizzo:

and you need to shift it up and to the left from what you described

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frankrizzo:

so try 1, 1

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frankrizzo:

10, 10

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frankrizzo:

or -10, -10

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frankrizzo:

not sure what will do the trick

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robert83a1:

okay thank you!

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frankrizzo:

no problem, hope it fixes your problem

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Paladine:

0000:00:0c.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant Winfast TV2000 XP <- anyone knowif that is linux compatable?

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D-side:

looks like a bttv card. shoudl work fine.

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D-side:

(should)

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Paladine:

yeah thats what I was thinking

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Paladine:

its an 88xx card

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ChrisSmol:

i'm trying to use a remote machine as a front end, but am getting errors that it can't connect. i did change the ip addresses on the backend machine from localhost to a fixed IP address, allowed access in mysql, and disabled the linux firewall

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ChrisSmol:

i'm trying to connect from a machine running mac osx, if that matters

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D-side:

ChrisSmol: ever connect from a remote frontend before?

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ChrisSmol:

nope

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D-side:

check your mysql perms.

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D-side:

or the daemon itself.

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ChrisSmol:

i can telnet into ports 3306, 6543 and 6544 on the remote machine

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D-side:

might be 1) only listening on localhost or 2) listening to all interfaces but you havent allowed access to your subnet

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D-side:

have a mysql client on that osx box?

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D-side:

try actually connecting via it. heres my concern, and its borne out of mysql ignorance, but anyway...

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D-side:

if mysql's listening on the interface you want it to, thats fine

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D-side:

but if you didnt set up the correct permissions for the user and/or subnet, it may still fail

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robert83a1:

frankrizzo, it's not the gui x offset or y offset for sure...

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ChrisSmol:

i followed the remote front end mysql instructions here: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/tips.php

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robert83a1:

the blue line on top and left, is not around the entire GUI, but only around mplayer movie viewing area...

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D-side:

ChrisSmol: well that should be just fine then.

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ChrisSmol:

well, actually not those, from another page, setting it to allow from any IP adress

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D-side:

i understand. they're the same idea.

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D-side:

well i'm out of ideas. :D

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ChrisSmol:

heh, me too

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ChrisSmol:

i'm sure it is something stupid i am missing

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ChrisSmol:

of course i am assuming the osx port of the front end actually works

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D-side:

where did you get that btw

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gardengnome:

robert83a1: use xvattr to set the xv overlay color to black.

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ChrisSmol:

http://collectivity.goof.com/articles/2006/09 . . . c-os-x-intel

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Juski:

hrm. I was following the ubuntu wiki on getting ivtv working, but I have 2 other tuners & the ivtv device (pvr150) is /dev/video2 but ivtvctl thinks it's dev/video0 ... how would I fix that?

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D-side:

gardengnome: hey.

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Juski:

!trout gardengnome welcomeback!

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** MythLogBot slaps gardengnome with a welcomeback! trout on behalf of Juski... **

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D-side:

Juski: oof.

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robert83a1:

gardengnome : thank you !!!

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D-side:

Juski: whats the url for that?

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Juski:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_D . . . ent_for_IVTV

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Juski:

when I cat /dev/video2 I see snow, but I wanna test the composite input

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D-side:

oh good lord, i thought you meant something not on the mythtv site, sorry

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Juski:

meaning?

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robert83a1:

gardengnome : this I set in xorg.conf?

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robert83a1:

oh...got it, need to download the package :)

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Juski:

is my problem related to modprobe.d/aliases ?

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jblack:

btw, edgy is 1/2 .18 and 1/2 .20

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D-side:

Juski: sorry, what i meant was "i should have found that url all by myself and not wasted your time.

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frankrizzo:

i actually have a problem where in KDE and the myth menus the picture goes off the screen by an inch or two, I am outputting to a hdtv via dvi/hdmi cable

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D-side:

it could well be the aliases.

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frankrizzo:

not quite the same as yours robert83a1, but quite annoying

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gardengnome:

heya Juski

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** Juski curses these instructions which always assume you only have one kind of tuner device **

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Juski:

how's it going, gardengnome?

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gardengnome:

Juski: if you need to test the composite input, you should use ivtvctl to set the input on the card.

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D-side:

i really wish i could give you a hand, since you just completely solved my ubuntu problem

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Juski:

gardengnome: yeah I know... to which ivtvctl replies with 'not an ivtv device'

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gardengnome:

Juski: fine. spent all weekend putting my mythtv boxen back together. 0.20 is looking good so far. the dbox is acting up, though :)

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gardengnome:

Juski: ouch

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Juski:

I know my pvr150 is /dev/video2

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D-side:

hrm. i wonder if i can just install to a usb drive...

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gardengnome:

Juski: /dev/video2, humm. do you actually have three cards in there?

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D-side:

and then not really worry at all...

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D-side:

oh yes. yes it shall be done.

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Juski:

and the modprobe alias stuff (I think) has it set to /dev/video0 by the line the wiki instructed me to edit

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Juski:

gardengnome: yeah.. 2 dvb-t tuners & one pvr150

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gardengnome:

Juski: "If you have a second PVR card or a PVR-500, then add "alias char-major-81–1 ivtv" to the list."

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gardengnome:

Juski: interesting. your dvb-t-tuners are /dev/video[0–1]?

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Juski:

it's not a 2nd pvr card though

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Devn:

When in the DVD rip menu, how do I actually start the job? If I press 0 it just clears the settings.

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Juski:

yes my dvb-t tuners are /dev/video0 and /dev/video1

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gardengnome:

Juski: you either have to make that char-major-81–0 or char-major-81–2 then

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Juski:

done!

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Juski:

rebooted & it worked. oh yay

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gardengnome:

:)

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Juski:

I must know more than I think ;)

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robert83a1:

gardengnome : would you mind helping a bit more, downloaded xvattr, did a xvattr > 1 , and searched the file for overlay, all I found is NV17 Video Overlay, what should I search for?

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Imaginativeone:

can I use my cable internet connection to receive tv?

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Juski:

gardengnome: this'll make you snigger... I allowed (by accident) / to fill up the other day. mythtv acted REALLY weird

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D-side:

i wonder if having three tuners would be just stupid.

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Juski:

D-side: you callin' me stupid?!

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robert83a1:

usr/local/bin/xvattr -a XV_COLORKEY -v 0 yep :)

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gardengnome:

Juski: guess what happened to me today. ;))

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Juski:

gardengnome: hdd crash?

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gardengnome:

Juski: mysql stopped working.

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gardengnome:

Juski: no, the same. ;)

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Juski:

whoops

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gardengnome:

heh

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Juski:

I almost panicked when I saw "sorry, no recordings available"

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D-side:

Juski: i meant for MY usage!

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D-side:

Juski: hahaha yeah i would too

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Juski:

the db was fucked though.. lucky I had a backup

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gardengnome:

Juski: i had to delete lots of empty recordings. leaving your mythtv box running for about a month without any tuners is not good...

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Juski:

oh dear

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robert83a1:

gardengnome : superb it fixed the blue thing.

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robert83a1:

once agian thank you

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Imaginativeone:

can I use my cable internet connection to receive tv?

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D-side:

okay thats it. i'm off to do something stupid.

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Juski:

Imaginativeone: depends on your internet provider. I suspect not

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Juski:

wooo my dvb tuners are worky too

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gardengnome:

maybe, if you get IPTV. or analog cable. ;)

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Juski:

guess I just have to install nvidia drivers, grab mythtv source & compile now

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Juski:

gardengnome: gentoo goes bye-byes today :)

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gardengnome:

:) cool

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gardengnome:

Juski: take care if you grab the fixes branch. the mythtv protocol version changed a few hours ago.

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gardengnome:

which annoys me. ;)

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Juski:

what?!

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Juski:

was tempted to use the packages suggested by the wiki.. I gave them a try on my spare box & they seemed fine

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gardengnome:

sure, but i don't think you can still mix 0.20 and 0.20-fixes.

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gardengnome:

http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/11281

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gardengnome:

*sigh* Juski: dbox2zap is still working fine. i just don't get a pciture. i suppose my cinnection connections are broken...

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gardengnome:

oh my god. that was horrible. ;) s/cinnection/input/

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Juski:

blech... ioctl VIDIOC_G_OUTPUT failed: Invalid argument (wtf?)

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Juski:

sudo apt-get install build-dep mythtv

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Juski:

damnit

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gardengnome:

s/install//

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Juski:

riiiight.

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Juski:

time for nvidia

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Juski:

good that I can do most of this from memory, since I just did it yesterday :)

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D-side:

okay then.

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D-side:

i'm going to try those debs listed in that wiki article.

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Juski:

ahh yes.. I need to mount my other disks.. took em off incase ubuntu's installer fucked with them

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D-side:

Juski: i just physically unplugged mine.

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D-side:

for that very same reason

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frankrizzo:

stupid lcd tvs and their lieing EDID settings

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frankrizzo:

the darn thing is there for a reason, to make you not have to configure stuff by hand

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gardengnome:

wow. i get sound from the s-video input. but no picture. *sigh*

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frankrizzo:

do I have to install divix drivers for mplayer / mythtv?

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D-side:

see..

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D-side:

getting sound from svideo == bad

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D-side:

:)

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gardengnome:

D-side: heh. smartass :)

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gardengnome:

frankrizzo: no

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frankrizzo:

cuz it doesnt want to play my videos that I brought from the outside

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frankrizzo:

oh, perhaps they a xvid, or whatever that other one is

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frankrizzo:

oh, they work now...

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frankrizzo:

nevermind!

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D-side:

gardengnome: do you ubuntu?

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frankrizzo:

i swear they didnt work for the longest time though, and I didnt actually make any changes to fix them

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D-side:

dont worry, i'm not going to ask any stupid questions. just wondering.

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gardengnome:

D-side: yep. on my desktop boxen.

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Juski:

oh noes! nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel.

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Juski:

rofl

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D-side:

i'm ditching gentoo on the server when i migrate to new hardware, and i'm thinking ubuntu is what i want.

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Juski:

it might 'taint' the kernel but it works

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gardengnome:

Juski: you better report that to the linux kernel ML

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D-side:

t'ain't a problem.

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Juski:

gardengnome: yeh I know... and post repeatedly til someone fixx0r5 it too

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Juski:

of course I'd have to explain "1 @m @ n00b"

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gardengnome:

D-side: i use sarge on my home server and ubuntu on my dedicated server. both are working well.

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D-side:

you dont have to tell me how much debian rules. :)

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D-side:

i'm just done with hoop-jumping. i want to be lazy now.

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gardengnome:

D-side: go for ubuntu then. ;)

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Juski:

I did

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gardengnome:

i like it on my server. and on my desktop. ;) as long as they don't fuck up X...

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Juski:

trying the 0.20-fixes packages that worked yesterday now

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Juski:

NOT got a mythtv user yet though

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gardengnome:

good boy.

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Juski:

fuck

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Juski:

mysql-server isn't a prerequisite. shoulda remembered that

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Juski:

so I've broken it before I've even started!

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gardengnome:

now i don't get sound anymore at all :/

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Honk^gone:

is there a way to use the mythtv option menus w/o mythtv having focus?

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Honk^gone:

the normal menus work just fine, but as soon as i enter any options, the gui stops responding

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gardengnome:

are you running a window manager?

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Honk^gone:

yepp

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Juski:

problem solved.. yay!

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Juski:

time for samba so I can restore the old db

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Paladine:

No XVIDEO port found which supports YUY2 images. <- thats a graphics card driver issue right?

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frankrizzo:

what do you guys use for resolution and bitrate for recording profiles?

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frankrizzo:

just trying to see what other people use, still fiddling with mine

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Juski:

I use 720x576 for full-res PAL recordings. bitrate is about 2GB/hour

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** gardengnome is confused **

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gardengnome:

i don't know to which card my remote and dbox is hooked up

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Juski:

now, ubuntu isn't just gonna extend its lvm crappyness onto the hdds I've just added now is it?

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silent_scream:

what exactly is mythtv in simple words

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D-side:

lvm != crap !

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D-side:

silent_scream: it make tv record on computer

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silent_scream:

aha

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D-side:

it very good

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Paladine:

gardengnome, if you are as lucky asme, gparted won't see the drives if they don't have a partition already present :)

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silent_scream:

i just installed in ubuntu installed

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silent_scream:

but how i use it?

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D-side:

thats a lot of installing going on there pal

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Paladine:

I am trying to setup a cx88xx card on a friends machine the otherside of the world via ssh

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Paladine:

and after I scanned like 5million channels with tvtime

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silent_scream:

no i just installed it in ubuntu! but i don't know how to use it

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Paladine:

he tells me it is a 500MHz cpu and he didn't have proprietry graphics drivers installed

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gardengnome:

silent_scream: read http://wiki.mythtv.org and the official documentation at http://www.mythtv.org

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silent_scream:

ok thnx

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Paladine:

so it crapped out after like half a second in tvtime cos his vesa drivers couldn't handle it

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gardengnome:

it bet he'll be back in 5 minutes.

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Paladine:

so I ammaking him install ubuntu on a real PC and put the cardin that so we can try again hehehe

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chairman:

is there anyway to just view files with cover art (using mythvideo) In the filter mode I can just select All and None

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Juski:

right.. all my HDDs mounted now

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Paladine:

still no-one awake using mythphone?

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jblack:

Wow. I'm close.

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kenzu:

hello..... Is it posible to run a mythbackend with 3–4 tuners and 192ram?

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scopeuk:

i supose so

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kenzu:

and to frontends

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scopeuk:

but you'll proably need to do alot of tweeking to the box

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Paladine:

192MB RAM?

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Paladine:

I wouldn't even run my laptop with less than 1GB :p

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kenzu:

scopeuk: in what way?

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scopeuk:

to reduce memory usage

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scopeuk:

disabling services that arnt used etc

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Zider:

a laptop and a mythbackend doesn't run the same things :P

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scopeuk:

you'ed probably haveto fogo mythweb too

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Paladine:

Zider, a laptop can run mythbackend :p

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jblack:

is there a backup plean for when zap2it starts getting annoying?

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Zider:

Paladine: so?

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Paladine:

so your comment was pointless

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Zider:

Paladine: not really

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kenzu:

but there is no ram minimum limit for the backend?

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Paladine:

a laptop can be a mythbackend ergo it can run the same things

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Paladine:

was a dumb comment

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Paladine:

and my point was I would not run any system with such low RAM

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scopeuk:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-3.html#ss3.1

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Zider:

a laptop is most likely not used as a backend at all, and definitely not with 3–4 tuners.

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Paladine:

my laptop has 4 USB ports so it could uite easily run 3–4 tuners

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scopeuk:

192 is probably a little too tight

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Paladine:

s/uite/quite

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D-side:

Paladine: thats an interesting way to look at it.

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D-side:

and by interesting i mean "wow. thats quite a theory you've got there."

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kenzu:

ok 256 for both frontend and backend and software encoder.... I will only run backend and 3–4 hardware encoders

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kenzu:

so It should be posible

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D-side:

howdy xris.

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Zider:

Paladine: a "tuner" for me is a PCI card, not an external adapter

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Paladine:

Zider, a tuner is a tuner, irrespective of interface

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scopeuk:

usb tuners have so many headaches though

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Zider:

a smartass is a smartass..

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Paladine:

and a dumbass is a dumbass :p

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Zider:

yes you are

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scopeuk:

and a flame war is a flame war

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scopeuk:

on a related note chese is also chese

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scopeuk:

can we move on?

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Zider:

and scopeuk will always be scopeuk ;)

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scopeuk:

oh god yeh

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jblack:

Isn't there an old saying about how winning a fight on irc is like winning the special olympics? Even if you win, you're still retarded?

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xris:

D-side: morning

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scopeuk:

jblack soudns right

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Zider:

jblack: something like that ;)

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Paladine:

xris you running mythphone?

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xris:

nope

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Paladine:

damnit, I can't find anyone who is running that plugin lol

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xris:

my cell is my only phone. heh

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Paladine:

I need to test mine

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D-side:

i wonder if mythphone has advanced sufficiently to make it actually usable

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D-side:

hrm. that was way more inflammatory than i meant it to be. heh

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xris:

I don't think anyone maintains it anymore

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D-side:

shame. it was a cute idea.

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** xris needs to get ready for mushroom hunting **

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D-side:

dare i ask?

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D-side:

theres a french term for that i think.

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D-side:

where we used to live, there were wild chanterelles that grew in the backyard. once we had them verified as edible, we had a great time with them.

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D-side:

fresh picked mushrooms for omelettes, etc

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Juski:

wow. this db import is taking a while

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xris:

D-side: it's mushroom season here. chantrelles (which I don't care for), lobster, matsutake, cauliflower. maybe maitake

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D-side:

where do they grow?

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xris:

there are more, but I can't identify any others as edible

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D-side:

heh

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xris:

in the forest

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D-side:

oh, oh i get it now.

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Zider:

you can identify more than me then ;)

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D-side:

that sounds surprisingly appealing.

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xris:

Zider: you'd be able to identify these if you had seen them — they're all pretty distinctive

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Zider:

chantrelles is the only ones I might recognize ;)

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chairman:

is there anyway to browse just files with cover file?

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gentoo-user7184:

My mythbackend is using 99% of my cpu and the frotnend is closed and there are no job queues

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gentoo-user7184:

xris you rememeber me from yesterday?

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gentoo-user7184:

I have been logging all activity pretty much it repeats the same commands http://rafb.net/paste/results/R0F7Ve99.html

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Paladine:

D-Side, well it installed on mine without a glitch and the video was working in it, just need to actually make or receive a call to see if it actually works

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gardengnome:

Juski: well. the dbox works better if it's plugged in.

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timmy334:

i just installed mythtv-0.20 on gentoo and it installed fine and setup fine and I can watch tv through digital cable or regular cable through mplayer, but when I try to watch livetv through mythtv, it will go black for a few seconds and then go back to the main menu in mythfrontend. Any help?

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gardengnome:

timmy334: look at the frontend and backend logs

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gentoo-user7184:

what does ur mythbackend of stay?

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gentoo-user7184:

mythbackend log**

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timmy334:

where are the logs kept in gentoo?

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timmy334:

I've never had a problem with myth so I've never had to look at them

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roger55:

timmy334, /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log iirc

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gentoo-user7184:

"/var/log/mythtv"

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D-side:

roger55: howdy.

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roger55:

timmy334, check the permissions of your /mnt/store directory or wherever you keep your recordings

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roger55:

hi D-side

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gentoo-user7184:

I am running mythtv and for some reason it is using 99% of my cpu

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gentoo-user7184:

There are no job queues and the frontend is close

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kenzu:

anyone with a Matrox marvel G450 eTV?

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gentoo-user7184:

I also have an PVR 150

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ShockValue:

anyone willing to trade/sell a 120GB drive? my spare just went bad in my raid, and im running in critical mode :(

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gentoo-user7184:

http://rafb.net/paste/results/R0F7Ve99.html is from mythbackend.log it repeats the same commands

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Juski:

oooo marvellous... mythfrontend & mythbackend are different versions & I installed both from the same package source. nice one mr packager!

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gardengnome:

Juski: you sure that there's no old stuff in /usr/local/bin?

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Juski:

gardengnome: pretty sure since the disk was empty this morning

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gardengnome:

Juski: fair enough

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D-side:

when i get to that portion of this guide, i'm definately adding the binary packages.

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D-side:

as some of you say, "I can't be arsed with that"

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jblack:

I can't get the sound to work

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jblack:

Hmmmm

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gentoo-user7184:

Anyone got any ideas as to why this is the case?

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gentoo-user7184:

http://rafb.net/paste/results/R0F7Ve99.html i that repeating over and over again

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Juski:

ah db_error performing schema upgrade... marvellous

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gardengnome:

Juski: recordedmarkup table?

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Juski:

nope

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Juski:

disecq_tree

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gardengnome:

oh.

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Juski:

these packages must be shite

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Juski:

removing em

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Juski:

time to UTSL

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Juski:

aww fuck I can't cos the protocol version prolly won't be compatible with my minimyth!

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jblack:

This is SO cool

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Juski:

this is SO _not_ cool

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Juski:

screw this. back to the old HDD I go

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Juski:

unless -fixes has been fixed not to upgrade the protocol version...

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jblack:

So, how do I make myth-tv into a window?

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Paladine:

jblack, you think the tv is cool wait til you play with the plugins :)

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Juski:

whoop-de-fucking-doo

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jblack:

No plugins for me yet.

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Paladine:

you canset thesize orset it as a window in the setup menu

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Paladine:

under appearance I think

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Paladine:

or general

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Juski:

appearance

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Juski:

so here I am.. I can install 0.20-fixes from svn & risk minimyth not working, or I can go back... hrm

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Juski:

nah. 0.20 isn't worth upgrading to for now. whatever the hell went wrong for the protocol ver. to change in -fixes needs to be sorted out

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JoeyJoeJo:

I've got an epia 10000 motherboard with the cle266 chipset.. do I remember correctly that I read somewhere that .20 supports this board better than previous versions?

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Juski:

JoeyJoeJo: nope

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Paladine:

I have only used .20 so i don't have anything to compare it to

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Paladine:

but I am loving it :)

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JoeyJoeJo:

juski: thanks

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Juski:

!trout package-makers get-a-fucking-clue

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** MythLogBot slaps package-makers with a get-a-fucking-clue trout on behalf of Juski... **

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Juski:

if they're not making up their own names for stuff.. it's other things

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gardengnome:

Juski: sucks if you can't upgrade minimyth yourself ;)

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Juski:

well, minimyth won't build on ubuntu

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gardengnome:

yep

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Juski:

I don't have time to fuck about with this anymore so I'm putting the old hdd back in

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Hoxzer:

:/ I cannot understand why my parents find it so hard to use mythtv

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gardengnome:

Hoxzer: my parents refuse to use mythtv.

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Hoxzer:

:P

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Hoxzer:

but anyway my dad just came into my room "plz turn on that channel"

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LLcoolM:

will i need a windowmanager for mythv or is xorg enough?

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Hoxzer:

and I was like "just select "watch tv""

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Hoxzer:

yeah but it says "do you want to stop mythtv" :E

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jblack:

Hmmm. Doesn't look like one can do a resizable window yet.

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Hoxzer:

like there are options "no and yes" ...

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Hoxzer:

I cannot undestand why it is so hard to select no

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jblack:

as in dragging the window size.

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Hoxzer:

and then select watch tv

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RaYmAn-Bx:

LLcoolM: it's better if you have a window manager. at least if you have myth run other apps..like xine or mplayer

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Hoxzer:

and select channel

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Juski:

well there it is in black & white... "yah boo sucks.. we had to upgrade the protocol version, so there!"

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gardengnome:

Juski: you could always use a version from before the protocol change.

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Juski:

I wouldn't care.. the -fixes don't even really apply to my stuff

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Juski:

back to 0.19.. it's not broke

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Juski:

never mind though.. I mean the protocol change only affects _users_ in the long run

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gardengnome:

will ti really break compatibility?

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jlefler:

LLcoolM: http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Window_Managers

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Juski:

gardengnome: considering the version of minimyth I've got is for a lesser -fixes revision, YES

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gardengnome:

hehe

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D-side:

Juski: hows it going?

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Juski:

not loving the open-source thing today

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D-side:

the ubutnu thing.

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D-side:

oh. well that question's answered

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Juski:

ubuntu went great apart from the packages being broken

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gardengnome:

build your own or use hamsta's ;)

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Juski:

back to 0.19 now

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D-side:

gardengnome: hamsta's got .20's?

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gardengnome:

D-side: yep

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gardengnome:

D-side: http://de.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=975 still a bit experimental, though

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D-side:

fantastic.

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Juski:

I've put the ubuntu hdd to one side.. this is gonna be more than just a few hours' work

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D-side:

i should probably stick with .19 anyway for now

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Juski:

I got pxebooting working in ubuntu yesterday so I actually _had_ minimyth working

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Juski:

but that was with the packages from deb http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1 dapper main, which didn't like my old database

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Zider:

hmm.. I can't add gameplayers in mythgame, I get the error can't open file: gameplayers.MYI (errno 145)

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gardengnome:

Zider: your database is probably broken

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Zider:

anything else seems to work, just not gameplayers

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Juski:

so just the gameplayers table is corrupt then

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jblack:

holy crap. xorg is up to 669 megs of memory.

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Zider:

I thought that was in mysql and not a file?

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Juski:

Zider: pfft. all the db tables are files

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Zider:

oh

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Juski:

that's how mysql works

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Zider:

didn't know that :P

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e4:

has anyone tried to run mythbackend on a clarkconnect box?

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D-side:

dear god. why?

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Juski:

hmmm lemme think.. mysql on a box which maybe has er... 32MB RAM? lol

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Juski:

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Juski:

:-P

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Paladine:

yeah cos it would work so much better as flat file ;p

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Juski:

gardengnome: hamsta doesn't change the names of his executable files does he? the debs I just used had mythtv-backend as the init script (wtf do they get that from?)

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gardengnome:

Juski: how's that a name change? the init script has been named that way since a long time ago

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Juski:

has it?

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Honk^gone:

why do i have white dots on top of my screen while watching tv? =)

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Juski:

wow, so I've been going apeshit for no good reason then. and nobody told me why

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Juski:

Honk^gone: you need overscan

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Honk^gone:

good idea =)

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Juski:

those white dots are prolly VBI data & aren't part of the active video signals you're supposed to see

[17:08:42]

Honk^gone:

i see

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Juski:

see the mythtv wiki entry about overscan

[17:09:46]

Juski:

bah I'm so not an opensource minded person anymore. fuck the advocacy lark, it's a lost cause

[17:10:24]

gardengnome:

Juski: the backend executable is called "mythbackend". the init script is called mythtv-backend. ever since mdz made these packages.

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Juski:

yeah but why all the different package makers see fit to call the init scripts different things I dunno...

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Honk^gone:

yay :)

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gardengnome:

Juski: *shrug*

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gardengnome:

Juski: marillat uses mdz's stuff, hamsta uses marillat's stuff :)

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Juski:

be nice to have some commonality, don't you think?

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Juski:

it's very much the least of my worries now anyway

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scsponger:

I can't seem to get my sound working, could someone help me?

[17:19:50]

medwards:

JUSKI

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medwards:

So Friday

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medwards:

I make this rookie move on my desktop

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medwards:

so some rookie hacker in Romania owns my ass... have to reinstall today :(

[17:21:42]

scsponger:

whats the command to reconfigure sound?

[17:22:10]

Weezey:

Does anyone else have skipping issues when playing DVDs in Myth? The picture is kinda jumpy. Hard to watch action flicks. Using PVR-350 as output.

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LLcoolM:

hm, mythtv doesnt start the backend and therefore i cannot configure the frontend

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LLcoolM:

what can i do?

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gardengnome:

LLcoolM: how does it not start the backend?

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D-side:

jeez.

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D-side:

this was damned easy.

[17:47:50]

opello:

what's that?

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D-side:

opello: i just put mythtv on dapper.

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D-side:

followed a guide that juski showed me, and it was just simple.

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opello:

ah fun

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opello:

apt-get install mythtv? heh

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D-side:

slightly more indepth.

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opello:

ah

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D-side:

thing is, i didnt once deviate from the directions, and it worked just fine. thats Good

[17:49:11]

opello:

definitely a plus when things go according to a plan

[17:49:30]

D-side:

now i think i'll totally push my luck and try installing to an nvraid raid1 array.

[17:49:36]

gardengnome:

mythweb on dapper was easy once i discovered a2ensite and a2enmod ;)

[17:49:50]

D-side:

gardengnome: what the hell are those?

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D-side:

oh, i see.

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gardengnome:

D-side: a2enmod enables apache modules. a2ensite enables.. sites you've put under /etc/apache*/foo/sites-available

[17:50:52]

gardengnome:

so it was most copy & paste

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D-side:

gardengnome: i just used packages tht were referenced in thta wiki guide.

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D-side:

no problem

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Zider:

woo, I fixed the database :D

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Zider:

Weezey: why not use the gfxcard as output?

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hatredx:

anyone know where I can find a good collection of modelines for hdtv's?

[17:54:59]

hatredx:

Samsung HL-S5687W

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hatredx:

thats what I am looking for =)

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LLcoolM:

gardengnome: it doesnt listen as configured

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LLcoolM:

i think it is because it fails to connect to mysql

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gardengnome:

then fix mysql

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LLcoolM:

mysql runs

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D-side:

mysql scores!

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D-side:

and the crowd goes wild

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LLcoolM:

hm, it seems it is not allowed to connect to the database

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kormoc:

welp, you should likely fix that

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RyeBrye3:

Has anyone ever had to tinker with atitvout to get an ATI card's svideo port to work?

[18:17:58]

RyeBrye3:

(anyone here that is)

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monkeypet:

Nope...

[18:18:55]

monkeypet:

I wanted to get a cheapo ati card with video out though, tell me if it works.

[18:19:01]

RyeBrye3:

I have a Radeon RV200 [that identifies itself in brackets at a Radeon 7500]... the Svideo output goes bonkers in Linux in graphics mode... but while booting it's just fine – i.e. the BIOS screen shows fine... and if I go to a straight Terminal it works

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Honk^gone:

monkeypet: you should go for nvidia instead :P

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monkeypet:

Honk^gone: More $$$

[18:19:24]

RyeBrye3:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814133177

[18:19:25]

Honk^gone:

monkeypet: huh?

[18:19:27]

RyeBrye3:

is the one I' thinking

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Honk^gone:

30$

[18:19:32]

RyeBrye3:

yeah

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Honk^gone:

that's just about as cheap as a cheap ati

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Honk^gone:

and it _works_

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monkeypet:

Honk^gone: Ati goes for $10 on ebay.

[18:19:52]

Honk^gone:

cuz they dont work?

[18:19:54]

RyeBrye3:

I'll sell you my ATI for $10 :)

[18:19:57]

kormoc:

monkeypet, so does nvidia cards, if you're gonna do ebay...

[18:20:05]

Honk^gone:

i can sell you mine too

[18:20:08]

Honk^gone:

it's pci!

[18:20:12]

Honk^gone:

and opensource drivers!

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monkeypet:

Honk^gone: Can you send me a link where I can get a nvidia for $30.

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kormoc:

http://cgi.ebay.com/NVIDIA-GEFORCE-2-MX-400-6 . . . cmdZViewItem

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Honk^gone:

(radeon 7000)

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kormoc:

there's one for $9

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RyeBrye3:

Monkeypet – that link I just sent you

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RyeBrye3:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814133177

[18:20:45]

RyeBrye3:

$33 new for a beast of a card – supports OpenGL 1.5 and 128 megs RAM – AGP 4x/8x

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kormoc:

so there, nvidia is a $1 cheaper then ati on ebay! booya!

[18:20:49]

RyeBrye3:

no fan – heatsink

[18:20:53]

Honk^gone:

yeah, that's what i was talking about

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monkeypet:

Man, how do I make gaim/gnome open up links in firefox...

[18:21:11]

kormoc:

set the gnome default browser to firefox?

[18:22:05]

RyeBrye3:

Oh, and that $33 card at the link I posted above will also spit out HDTV signals... which is why I'm seriously considering that one...

[18:22:13]

RyeBrye3:

(although I do not yet have an HDTV...)

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Honk^gone:

monkeypet: you can use ati cards for tv-out too, but you'd have to get one that's supported by their drivers ;)

[18:22:22]

monkeypet:

kormoc: It is set to firefox..

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kormoc:

then it should work

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monkeypet:

Honk^gone: does nvidia tvout work with the open source drivers?

[18:23:08]

kormoc:

you could always ask in say, #gnome or #gaim too

[18:23:37]

Honk^gone:

monkeypet: no clue

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kormoc:

monkeypet, sure can, but the nvidia driver is worth it

[18:23:43]

RyeBrye3:

When I installed Fedora – it identified the computer monitor I had attached to the video card and set up the xorg.conf for that monitor... is there a way to "re-recognize" hardware and have it try to recognize my TV connected to Svideo? Grub shows fine – but once it starts the graphical boot loader it goes to crap

[18:23:46]

Honk^gone:

but their closed source drivers are pretty good

[18:24:15]

RyeBrye3:

OH – and one thing

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RyeBrye3:

Nvidia Drivers are x86 only

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kormoc:

RyeBrye, hrm? what do you mean?

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monkeypet:

I wanted to muck with openGL anyways, so I'll get nvidia...

[18:24:49]

RyeBrye3:

Kormoc – about the x86 only or about the Video out problem?

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Honk^gone:

RyeBrye: not exactly true =)

[18:25:08]

Honk^gone:

i'm on x86_64 :P

[18:25:11]

kormoc:

RyeBrye, they have IA32, EMT64/AMD64, and IA64 support

[18:25:15]

ShockValue:

anyone got a 120GB disk for sale/trade? my tv storage raid is about to die :/

[18:25:19]

kormoc:

RyeBrye, bout the x86 only

[18:25:21]

RyeBrye3:

Okay, what I meant was – not PPC

[18:25:37]

RyeBrye3:

I overgenericized with the x86 comment

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kormoc:

well, there are some ppc nvidia cards, but they are rare

[18:26:07]

RyeBrye3:

Most Mac towers have Nvidia cards

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kormoc:

but the nv driver is ppc safe, Yellow Dog linux supports nvidias on ppc and has for awhile

[18:26:41]

RyeBrye3:

I have a GeForce4 Ti 4600 in my Dual G4 tower...

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monkeypet:

ShockValue: I got a drive that I yanked out of an xbox... quite small though... I forgot how big..

[18:26:44]

RyeBrye3:

Not natively

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RyeBrye3:

Open GL is slow as hell in linux – believe me – I loaded a handful of linux OSes on my dual G4 tower and it was only doing software emulation of OpenGL

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kormoc:

RyeBrye, http://ozlabs.org/pipermail/linuxppc-dev/2002 . . . /013366.html

[18:27:27]

RyeBrye3:

Sure – there was video on the screen... so technically it worked – but there was no hardware acceleration

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kormoc:

"What works:

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kormoc:

* Accelerated (driver "nv") and unaccelerated (driver "fbdev") X in all depths on CRT monitors and flat panel displays"

[18:28:07]

kormoc:

you sure you didn't set it up wrong?

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gardengnome:

kormoc: the nv driver doesn't do hardware 3d acceleration.

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ShockValue:

monkeypet: wont work unless its 120GB. i got 6 other drives running, but my parity drive died

[18:28:44]

RyeBrye3:

I may have...

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gardengnome:

RyeBrye3: opengl is not slow in linux if you've got the right driver.

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kormoc:

gardengnome, no, but it does do 2-d accel

[18:28:57]

gardengnome:

kormoc: yep.

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RyeBrye3:

gardengnome: I know it isn't – on my x86 box... but on my PPC box it was slow

[18:29:20]

RyeBrye3:

maybe I set it up wrong...

[18:29:39]

RyeBrye3:

http://www.petitiononline.com/nvppclin/petition.html seems to be a bunch of people complaining about the same thing

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** kormoc shrugs **

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kormoc:

when i played with it, it was more then passable, but maybe that's just me

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RyeBrye3:

Hmm.

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RyeBrye3:

I may have given up too early... after having problems finding many other things for PPC linux – like a flash player and a few other things...

[18:32:06]

RyeBrye3:

I'm keeping my PPC machine running OS X and leaving linux to my x86 machine

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monkeypet:

RyeBrye3: My minimac is sitting as a paperweight.... I don't care to use it.

[18:45:15]

Octane:

im still using fc3, can anyone here share with me their apt's sources.list?

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monkeypet:

Octane: oh, you don't use yum??

[18:50:37]

Octane:

monkeypet: nope :(

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Octane:

i really dont want to upgrade to fc3

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Octane:

err 4/5

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monkeypet:

Octane: I don't understand what you are trying to do, why do you need other people's sources.list?

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AndyCap:

even better since almost no-one runs apt on fc3 either. :)

[19:04:35]

Octane:

actually, many people did

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AndyCap:

Octane: obviously, based on the sheer amount of sources.lists you've received.

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Anduin:

using apt and sticking with FC3 I think someone likes to be in the minority

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Anduin:

atrpms has support for apt, yum, smart

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Octane:

back in the day atrpms didnt have yum support

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kormoc:

I thought aprpms added yum suport back in core 2

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Octane:

maybe youre right

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Octane:

but when i installed my myth and used fc3 most people still used apt

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Octane:

and thats what most guides used

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AndyCap:

Octane: back in the days was pre-fedora core.

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kormoc:

redhat 5.2, apollo!

[19:08:20]

kormoc:

slackware 0.92, you'll never get laid!

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monkeypet:

Anyone used smart before or have strong opinions about it?

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kormoc:

I use smart on all my computers

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Juski:

SMART == better than nothing

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kormoc:

exactly

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kormoc:

given you can use smart or nothing, it seems rather easy to pick :P

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Juski:

chances are it'll be too late when you find out, but you never know...

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Juski:

so.. put me out of my misery... different protocol versions of mythfrontend & mythbackend ARE incompatible, in a never-the-twain-shall-meet kinda way, yes?

[19:10:51]

kormoc:

aye

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Juski:

thought as much

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kormoc:

in theory, there are a few that you could shoe-horn into working, but it'd be a bad thing

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** Juski curses r11281 **

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monkeypet:

Juski: Yup, you know mythtv is still less than the 1.0 release...

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BULLE:

monkeypet: he, will take quite some time for a 1.0 release

[19:12:09]

Juski:

very much aware of that, and today even more so

[19:12:38]

ssjoe:

Hi Everyone. I'm looking into MythTv as an alternative to Tivo. I have one question. Will my frontend be able to pause-rewind live TV if my backend is the only machine with a pvr card?

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Anduin:

Juski: It used to just silently break, it is new an improved that it tells you so nicely.

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kormoc:

not if you use the ultra release naming scheme. instead of major.minor.revision, you use ultra.major.minor!

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kormoc:

ssjoe, sure can

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Juski:

gone from "oh yeah.. love mythtv, me" to "mythtv? I'll fucking give em mythtv..." today in a short while. serves me right for being complacent

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ssjoe:

excellent. thanks kormoc

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monkeypet:

For those smart users, how can lock my kernel so it doesn't upgrade it, is it 'smart flag --set lock kernel'

[19:16:02]

Juski:

oh _that_ smart, not S.M.A.R.T. ....

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Juski:

what would you expect to see in a programme description in your fave xmltv grabber? a short precee of what happens in the show? hell no... it's a critique of the main character's taste in decor :-|

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Loto:

anyone know where i can manually edit settings mythfilldatabase uses? specifically the connection to mysql

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Loto:

this box is only used as a backend and has no monitor, i need a file to edit through a console session

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kormoc:

check ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt or /etc/myth/mysql.txt or similar

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Loto:

thanks

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Loto:

is zap2it down for anyone else? (500 Internal Server Error)

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HeMan:

Hi! I have a Compro DVB-T300 card which floods my system with interrupts, somewhere around 12000 to 16000 interrupts a second

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HeMan:

The card works but i don't like the fact that it do that

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kormoc:

should likely talk to the driver authors

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Juski:

HeMan: I had that same problem with my system once when I'd forgotten to enable IDE DMA in my kernel

[20:05:24]

HeMan:

Umm, i have no problem with my IDE flooding with interrupts

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kormoc:

basically he's saying, are you sure those interrupts aren't caused by the lack of IDE DMA support?

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kormoc:

it's worth checking...

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Juski:

I thought it strange too, but fixing the kernel fixed the problem

[20:06:53]

Juski:

more than coincidence I reckon ;)

[20:07:15]

HeMan:

No DMA should result in a slow disk, or?

[20:07:24]

kormoc:

not always

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Juski:

indeed

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kormoc:

think about it this way, without DMA, to get data from the card to the disk, you need the card's driver to toss a interupt

[20:08:01]

Tronic:

HeMan: Mostly it results in a slow system.

[20:08:41]

Tronic:

But the disk still runs at 8 Mo/s, which is enough for storing several HDTV streams, for example.

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HeMan:

i have 40 Mb/s read performance

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Tronic:

Then you have DMA enabled.

[20:09:23]

Tronic:

(if you benchmark that right, anyway)

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Juski:

and you can discount that theory at least

[20:09:38]

Tronic:

(sometimes benchmarks will read from OS cache rather than the disk)

[20:09:59]

Tronic:

(and I assume that you mean 40 Mo/s, not 40 Mb/s)

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HeMan:

i did hdparm -tT /dev/sda for read performance

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Tronic:

(because 40 Mb/s is 5 Mo/s, which is what you might get without DMA)

[20:10:51]

Tronic:

hdparm -tT is a lousy benchmark.

[20:10:53]

HeMan:

no, it's 40 megabytes /s

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kormoc:

well, you could always just do hdparm -d /dev/device and see if dma is enabled or not...

[20:11:01]

Tronic:

It has tendancy to read from cache, even though it tries not to.

[20:11:25]

Tronic:

time dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/null bs=1000000 count=1000

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HeMan:

i have a sata drive so it won't tell

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Tronic:

Make that count bigger if you have over one gigabyte of RAM.

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kormoc:

Tronic, hrm? shouldn't... it's a direct from drive cache test and a direct from os cache test. if it was doing os cache for both, they'd both be the same number

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opello:

JJ

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Tronic:

Replace hda with sda or whatever then.

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kormoc:

HeMan, sata is always dma enabled

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opello:

sorry

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Tronic:

kormoc: The problem is that it partially reads from cache. Thus it does not give any sensible figures.

[20:13:05]

Tronic:

kormoc: At least on Linux...

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HeMan:

an 8 GByte dd to the drive gave 40 MBytes/s

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kormoc:

Tronic, so like, when my disk speed is said to be 62 megs a second but the cached read is 2145 megs per second, how is it going from os cache?

[20:13:25]

Tronic:

(SATA is always UDMA, that is, as libata does not (yet) support PIO)

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kormoc:

Tronic, well then a second run should run entirely out of cache then, no? as it's reading a second time, right?

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kormoc:

Tronic, what you're talking about isn't os cache/not os cache, you're talking filesystem overhead

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Tronic:

kormoc: I haven't checked the source of hdparm to find out exactly what it does, and can't remember otherwise, either.

[20:14:46]

kormoc:

that hd test is just raw drive speed, max it can go, the dd tests how fast it can write a file to the filesystem, there's a lot of extra overhead there

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Tronic:

kormoc: But it reads a fairly small amount of data, getting some of it from the 8 megabyte cache on the HDD, getting the rest from the platter.

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kormoc:

Tronic, drive cache != os cache

[20:15:17]

Tronic:

kormoc: No shit?

[20:15:38]

Tronic:

I suppose that the disk speed benchmark is OK for validating the HDD connector speed, yet.

[20:15:41]

Tronic:

*yes

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kormoc:

Tronic, and hdparm does claim it reads buffered disk reads, mine reads 188 megs of data, on it's 8 meg buffer, hence a good indication of typical max read speed

[20:16:12]

Tronic:

But the number itself is still meaningless, because it is partially from cache, partially not from it.

[20:16:16]

kormoc:

<Tronic> (sometimes benchmarks will read from OS cache rather than the disk)

[20:16:32]

kormoc:

but all reads involve cache

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Tronic:

kormoc: That is not about hdparm, but benchmarks in general.

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kormoc:

do you disable cache for normal read speeds?

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kormoc:

we were talking about a specific one, namely hdparm at the time

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Tronic:

I circumvent the problem by reading so much that the effect of reading from cache diminishes.

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kormoc:

not at all

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Tronic:

I.e. reading a gigabyte on a system with one gigabyte of RAM, doing it twice.

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kormoc:

disable on drive buffer cache and test your standard read speeds, you'll notice a nice drop in speed

[20:17:38]

kormoc:

ram doesn't enter into it at all

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Tronic:

The first run will flush any caches that there are, the second run will benchmark it correctly.

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kormoc:

that test is a direct from the drive and only deals with the on drive buffer...

[20:18:35]

Tronic:

(cache logic may preserve some small fragments, if it notices that I am doing streaming reads and stops trying to cache – these will have only small effect to the result, due to the large amount of data)

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kormoc:

here, why don't you try, disable read-ahead, multicount reads and buffered disk cache and test your speeds

[20:19:36]

kormoc:

you'll notice a nice drop

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Tronic:

The hdparm -t benchmark is useful if disk cache has been disabled.

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** kormoc laughs **

[20:19:57]

Tronic:

(or was it -T... I can't remember which is which)

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kormoc:

-T tests os cache speed

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kormoc:

-t tests drive buffered read speeds

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Tronic:

Then it actually gives an actual figure of read speed of the disk, with cache disabled.

[20:20:37]

Tronic:

Instead of some useless combination of cache and non-cache reads.

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** kormoc shakes his head sadly. **

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HeMan:

where can i find out who is maintaining the saa7134-dvb-module?

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Honk^gone:

is there any way to get preview images for the video browser?

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kormoc:

*all* the reads a disk does *involves* cached reads

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Juski:

HeMan: drop into #linuxtv

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opello:

kormoc: disk -> on drive cache -> system? or something more grandiose?

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Tronic:

kormoc: But when I run syntetic benchmarks, I want to know the cache read speed and the media read speeds SEPARATELY.

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Tronic:

(here the cache is disk cache)

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Tronic:

(not OS cache)

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kormoc:

opello, a typical read goes disk -> on drive cache -> controler cache -> os cache -> system

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kormoc:

Tronic, but that's way more meaningless then typical read speed of the media under standard usage conditions...

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HeMan:

is anyone else using a compro card?

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Tronic:

kormoc: That is all different. It is something that you should benchmark with Bonnie++ or whatever "real-world" benchmark that you prefer. It has nothing to do with syntetic benchmarks.

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kormoc:

opello, hdparm -t tests disk -> on drive cache, hdparm -T tests os cache -> system

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opello:

kormoc: ah neat

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Tronic:

... that try to measure hardware parameters.

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kormoc:

Tronic, you're the one arguing that hdparm is lousy to use because it uses standard real world conditions but your sythic benchmarks are better as they give numbers that you'll never use on your hardware...

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Tronic:

I personally want to know the raw media speeds (as a function of the position on drive, but I don't want to go there just yet), random access time (which is far more important than I/O speed, anyway), etc.

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Loto:

really depends on what your doing with the drive

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kormoc:

sure, but none of that matters when you just want the speed of the drive, which most people just want

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Tronic:

kormoc: hdparm uses real world conditions? What a joke :)

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kormoc:

hence why hdparm -t is a useful test

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Loto:

but for most uses access is far more important

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Tronic:

kormoc: All real world files must be exactly 50 megs, right?

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Tronic:

(or whatever the amount read by hdparm was)

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kormoc:

Tronic, actually, my hdparm reads random admounts, depending on system loads, as you should know

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Tronic:

On my root partition, the average file size is about three kilobytes.

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HeMan:

Tronic: hdparm reads for a defined time, for example 2 seconds

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kormoc:

Tronic, hdparm reads for 3 seconds and finishes the full transfer, which is why it gets around 3.02 seconds, due to a 0.02 second transaction overhead...

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Loto:

most manuafacterers cache transfer speeds are very comparable, its better to isolate and compare a variable that make a difference in read speed

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kormoc:

Tronic, on my disks, that can be anywhere from 8 megs to 200 megs

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Tronic:

Assuming that accessing one file takes two seeks on average, this means that the I/O speed of the disk is absolutely meaningless when estimating average performance. Only the access time matters.

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kormoc:

Tronic, when you bring files into it, you're bringing in tons of other factors that don't affect disk speed

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HeMan:

Juski: is #linuxtv active?

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Loto:

Tronic : unless all you do is massive file transfers

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kormoc:

Tronic, file system overhead, fragmentation of the file, etc

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Tronic:

kormoc: But if you care about real-world performance, you have to.

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Tronic:

kormoc: They are part of the process.

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kormoc:

Tronic, not when all you are after is how fast the drive currently is running, to test if dma is on or not

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liran_:

hey guys

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kormoc:

Tronic, which is why he used hdparm, and why you said hdparm is shit

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Tronic:

However, the disk parameters – random access speed, media I/O speed at different positions – are a basis that one can work the other parameters from.

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kormoc:

for the purpose hdparm was used, it was perfectly suited for the task

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Tronic:

Some mystic "buffered disk read" is completely useless in that sense.

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HeMan:

to just get an estimation you could use hdparm but it won't give you the truth about your particular load and data

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liran_:

any php/perl web designer?

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Tronic:

kormoc: Granted, hdparm -t is fine for testing the HDD cable speed.

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Tronic:

(assuming that the cable is slower than the media I/O speed)

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kormoc:

that's not hd cable speed, it's hd setup speed...

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Tronic:

Which was the case here, we wanted to know if UDMA was enabled.

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kormoc:

if I disable dma on my disk, hdparm gives me 8 megs a second, enable it, and that's back up to 35

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Tronic:

Exactly.

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kormoc:

that's not cable speed...

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Tronic:

23:29 < Tronic> (assuming that the cable is slower than the media I/O speed)

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kormoc:

<Tronic> Which was the case here, we wanted to know if UDMA was enabled.

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kormoc:

which was the case here, which implys that you feel it was testing cable speed

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Tronic:

kormoc: My mistake, bad wording.

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kormoc:

liran_, sure, there's php devs here

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Tronic:

What I meant was that instead of using the value as such, we only check whether it is greater than 8 or not and obtain a boolean value telling us if UDMA is on or not (with the assumption that the disk itself and all other parts in the system can do more than 8 megs per second).

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kaiforce:

new install on FC5. Both tuners (PVR-250) are showing only static. what to check?

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Juski:

they've got to be kidding, right... a _logo_ competition?

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Paladine:

anyone using mythphone?

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kormoc:

Tronic, it's also helpful when tuneing your read ahead values or multicount io values and similar, it's a rather handy benchmark for getting raw diskspeed up there, and then you need to tuen your filesystem to the drive

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Tronic:

kormoc: It can be in some circumstances, but one really should use better benchmarks for those.

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Tronic:

I.e. if optimizing the bus speed, one should benchmark reads from drive cache.

[20:35:05]

Tronic:

Not from the media, which is usually slower.

[20:35:15]

Tronic:

(than the part of the system being optimized)

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kormoc:

which is what hdparm -t tests, typical buffered disk reads...

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gordonjl:

I'm setting up a PVR 350. It works fine on my monitor, but TV out only plays audio, the video is just static. Any ideas?

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HeMan:

[somewhat OT]: anyone knows if you could get "regular" profiled PCI-angles (ie not low profile) for a PVR 150 L.P?

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Tronic:

kormoc: It gives me 62 MB/s, which is of no use if I want to optimize my bus speed.

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Tronic:

(because the bus speed is presumably about 300 MB/s)

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Tronic:

(on-chipset SATA2 controller)

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kormoc:

wait, okay, I misunderstood, but honestly, bus speed isn't something that needs optimized...

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kormoc:

actually, that's more like 3.0 gigs a second

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kormoc:

see http://www.sata-io.org/3g.asp

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Tronic:

3 Gbit/s, not 3 GB/s.

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kormoc:

hah

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kormoc:

it's not 3 gbit eather

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kormoc:

it's marketing

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D-side:

depends on your point of view.

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D-side:

the controller will push 3gbit.

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D-side:

you're not getting 3gbit out of those platters

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D-side:

ever.

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kormoc:

3 gbit/sec is 384 mbite, but from the site

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kormoc:

SATA 3Gb/s interface speed enables up to 300MB/s data transfer rates

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Juski:

I'd love to see a HDD give me 3Gb/sec

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kormoc:

it should be upto 384 MB

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HeMan:

with eSATA you could, kind of

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Juski:

maybe when I'm a grandad ;)

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kormoc:

sas is quite fast

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Tronic:

kormoc: The two other bits (out of ten) carry some other data (parity, whatever), IIRC. I only scanned thru the spec once.

[20:41:09]

D-side:

esata isn't sata 3.0

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Juski:

... if I ever get in a good enough mood to start a family...

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D-side:

its 1.5

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HeMan:

eSATA could add enough disks to fill 3 Gb/s

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D-side:

except for the fact that its 1.5, not3.0

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kormoc:

esata is still one disk per channel, no?

[20:41:47]

HeMan:

since you can have more than one disk per channel

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kaiforce:

new install on FC5. Both tuners (PVR-250) are showing only static. what to check?

[20:42:01]

Juski:

kaiforce: antenna connections

[20:42:06]

Juski:

:-P

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D-side:

kormoc: eh. you can have an external sata controller that has multiple disks on it

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kaiforce:

heh

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D-side:

just like scsi storage really.

[20:42:33]

Tronic:

Btw, has anyone else noticed how (el-cheapo) gigabit NICs can only do about 40 Mo/s?

[20:42:42]

kaiforce:

one of the receivers plugged directly to tv, working fine

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kormoc:

D-side, aye, but then it's only the interface rather then the bus keeping the speed down

[20:43:01]

Tronic:

The SKGE/SK98 chips, in particular.

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D-side:

kormoc: doesnt matter where the bottleneck is so long as the bottleneck exists. :)

[20:43:19]

kormoc:

heh, fair nuff

[20:43:29]

Tronic:

Which are used on nearly all gigabit NICs (on-board, D-Link, etc), anyway.

[20:43:42]

HeMan:

Tronic: 40? try 20...

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kaiforce:

is there a tuner setting on the PVR-250 cards?

[20:44:20]

Tronic:

I have a couple of SKY9 too, which is a chip that actually uses PCI-E rather than PCI. Haven't benchmarked transfer speeds between two of these, though.

[20:44:41]

D-side:

i was using a skge nic within windows

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Tronic:

HeMan: The thing is that I always get very close to 40 megs per second, no matter which computers or protocol I use.

[20:44:55]

D-side:

too many simultaneous bittorrent connections made it lose its mind

[20:44:58]

Juski:

external esata stuff just uses port multiplier chips anyway.. you can have 5 disks per port with them

[20:45:36]

HeMan:

Tronic: i benchmarked my wifes computer and couldn't get over 200 Mbit/s with that machine

[20:45:45]

kormoc:

Tronic, it could be the router/hub

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Tronic:

D-side: Windows 2000 (dunno about XP) reliably BSODs when there are too many TCP connections.

[20:46:09]

Tronic:

D-side: If I leave BT running here, at unlimited, the computer will have crashed within 5 minutes.

[20:46:16]

HeMan:

tried an 32 bit 3com gbit card and it performed much better, over 300 Mbit/s

[20:46:41]

HeMan:

with server motherboards there is no problem gettin up to 900 Mbit/s

[20:46:50]

Tronic:

D-side: Just needs a fast network for that... And I have seen on it various computers that don't have much in common.

[20:47:06]

D-side:

Tronic: its the nic driver.

[20:47:17]

D-side:

switching to the nvidia gbit nic stops that problem cold

[20:47:21]

Tronic:

HeMan: I have seen 3com-branded Marvell SK98 chips.

[20:47:27]

Tronic:

HeMan: Sure that you didn't have one of those?

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Honk^gone:

HeMan: 20mb/s is just as much as i get when copying stuff over gbit =)

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Tronic:

(mine even had a 3Com logo on top of the chip, instead of Marvell)

[20:47:57]

HeMan:

Tronic: no idea, it was some time ago

[20:48:24]

Tronic:

D-side: I've got those crashes with Fast Ethernet NICs too.

[20:48:43]

HeMan:

Honk^gone: could be disks that are the bottle neck there

[20:48:56]

Honk^gone:

or the windows pcs i have to transfer to :P

[20:48:56]

Tronic:

In fact, I am not sure if I ever tried it on gigabit.

[20:49:02]

HeMan:

I usually use netperf for network tests

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Tronic:

kormoc: I tried removing the switch, using direct crossover, no difference.

[20:50:12]

kaiforce:

should i check with ivtv channel?

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HeMan:

Tronic: what application did you use to test the performance?

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HeMan:

Honk^gone: you could find netperf for windows if you really like to try network performance

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Tronic:

HeMan: Various different things. tmpfs transfers using any protocol, probably netcatting /dev/zero, etc.

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Tronic:

It has been a while since I played with that, but the thing that I remember is that nearly all methods got me fairly exactly 40 Mo/s.

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HeMan:

Tronic: ok

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Honk^gone:

HeMan: i dont really want to =)

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HeMan:

Tronic: i have done some fairly serious testing of servers and could get up to 900 Mbit/s with no problems

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Honk^gone:

i was just offering some other test results for comparison =D

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HeMan:

Tronic: over 900 Mbit/s was harder to get

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Tronic:

HeMan: Using which NICs?

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HeMan:

Tronic: e1000's is a good candidate

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HeMan:

Tronic: but stay away from Red Hat! they have a bug in RHEL 4 up to (comming) U5

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Tronic:

Didn't touch RH since 6.2.

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Tronic:

Nor Fedora, for that matter.

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HeMan:

lucky you!

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kormoc:

you can always use the intel extra driver for RHEL/CENTOS

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Juski:

has anyone had any problems uprgading from 0.19-fixes to 0.20? I had mythtv-setup report a problem not being able to update diseqc_tree earlier...

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Tronic:

Fortunately Debian is the de-facto distro in Finland, instead of RHEL.

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kormoc:

Juski, I had no issue at all, and I forgot to back up the db, so I was quite happy

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Juski:

how I got that was... installed mythtv, restored my backup db, then ran mythtv-setup

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HeMan:

oh well, now it's time to benchmark how fast i can turn of my computer and go to bed!

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HeMan:

bye!

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kaiforce:

what broadcast table should i use with directv? i thought it was us-cable

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** Juski wonders if it's work trying that db on the mythtv I built from source the other day **

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Juski:

aye what the hell..

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faken:

hi folks

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faken:

i compiled the mythtv plugins package but there are no new menus or something else what do i have done wrong ?

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GreyFoxx:

faken:So you compiled and installed mythtv from source, then compiled and installed the plugins from source, and have you restarted the frontend since you installed the plugins ?

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Juski:

not restarted mythfrontend?

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Juski:

tempted to hack 0.20-fixes to report the old protocol version

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frankrizzo:

i have regular cable with an HD tv, I have my recording profiles set to record at 16:9 ratio, and it looks pretty good but there are extra large black bars above and below, is there any way to change that?

[21:03:05]

Juski:

it'd gimme time to wait for Pablo to release a newer 0.20 minimyth...

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faken:

GreyFoxx: i installed mythtv out of my arch package cache and the plugins from source

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faken:

and yes i have restarted the frontend

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Juski:

faken: maybe the plugins are newer than the core program

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Juski:

or else just a different version.. mythfrontend would report that

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faken:

mhh this is the only error i get mythtv: could not connect to socket

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faken:

mythtv: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden

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Paladine:

I will be damned if I can get this mythphone to work

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Paladine:

is anyone else using it so I can test?

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GreyFoxx:

faken: Odds are your plugins go insalled in a different location than your base mythtv install. It's really not a good idea to might them as packagers using place stuff in adifferent location that a source install

[21:06:48]

faken:

-user support channel. .:. http://mythtv.org

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faken:

profiles set to record at 16:9 ratio, and it looks pretty

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faken:

arr

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faken:

sry

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faken:

which mythtv says me that it is located in /usr/bin/mythtv

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Juski:

trying my db backup import on this spare box.. .see if the schema upgrade works

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faken:

can i recompile the plugins with the prefix /usr/bin/ ?

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kormoc:

erm, sure, but that'd be a bad idea

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GreyFoxx:

faken: You probably want a prefix of /usr , not /usr/bin

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Juski:

importing over 110MB of stuff sure takes a while

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GreyFoxx:

but I've never mixes source and package installs ofmyth, so you can be the experiment :)

[21:10:29]

** Juski slaps his head.. this isn't anything to do with backing up a mysql4 db & plopping it on a mysql5 server is it? **

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Juski:

yes/no? ach well

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kormoc:

it *could* be, but I don't know off hand why it might matter

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Juski:

clutching at straws, that's all

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jammyd:

My frontend has started hanging during "Pre-scaling theme images" – this also causes the xbox to lockup and my ssh connectionis drops

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jammyd:

It's been working fine until recently, so I've no idea what could be causing this

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jammyd:

What worries me most is that the machine locks – implying it's not entirely myth's fault — it shouldn't be able to bring the machien down, obviously

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Juski:

hrm.. scheme upgrade ok so far

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jammyd:

But it is fine until pre-scaling theme images. If i don't start myth, everything is fine

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kormoc:

jammyd, did you perhaps enable the opengl painter?

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jammyd:

kormc: I'm still at 0.19

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kormoc:

ahh, sorry

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jammyd:

np

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thebug:

if I had a rage128 (w/ composite + svideo out, and composite in), a radeon 9600 pro w/svideo out, and a geforce2mx w/ svideo out, which would be the least pain to get working as a video-out card

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kormoc:

the nvidia

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Juski:

hokay.. so it's upgrading to schema version 1153 & just sitting there. guessing it's not safe just to kill it

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thebug:

geforce2 gts, excuse me :P

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BULLE:

the gf2mx might have an old tvout chip though, that has problems giving you a good picture, eg you might be getting black borders and stuff

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Juski:

geforce2 cards sometimes have shitty tv-out encoders on em

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BULLE:

Juski: exactly

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kormoc:

Yeah, it might not look as good, but it would be easier to setup

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Juski:

okees... this is bad. v.v.v. bad

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thebug:

is it possible to use the radeon at all? I just realized that I don't have the breakout for the geforce2

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RyeBrye3:

I think the "Rage" monicker for the ATI cards is appropriate – after trying to deal with them for a little while, that's definitely what I was feeling

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Juski:

look at this guys... (please) :) http://pastebin.ca/181375

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kormoc:

sure, you can use the radeon, but it will be a bit more painful then a nvidia card

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BULLE:

thebug: sure

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hatredx:

hate to ask lame question; can I put two pci express video cards with out sli ... as in use two vga different vga adaptors

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kormoc:

Juski, well, you can restore from your backup, and drop volumn cmd_repeat

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hatredx:

err, sorry about the poor burb of english.

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kormoc:

hatredx, sure

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thebug:

BULLE: any hints / tips on forcing the radeon to do my bidding?

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D-side:

well. that worked. hooray.

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Juski:

kormoc: is that it?

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** RyeBrye3 want shints too **

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hatredx:

so kinda like having a pci-express and a pci video cards... right?

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kormoc:

Juski, well, it would get around that issue

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kormoc:

not saying that it won't have others tho

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BULLE:

thebug: use atis binary only driver

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BULLE:

thebug: i used it on a computer with a radeon 9700pro with good results, but it took some fidling

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Juski:

oh wait.. wait...

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Juski:

I think I'd have to drop the mythconverg db before restoring the backup

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Juski:

duh!

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kormoc:

yeah, you do

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thebug:

BULLE: I'll give that a shot then, thanks

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Juski:

I had the mysqldump include drop statements in it, but that's not enough, obviously

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BULLE:

anyone in here that uses a dvb-c card by any chance ?

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Juski:

since that'd only drop tables which existed in 0.19-fixes :)

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Juski:

god it's so bloody easy to not read your own error messages properly

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** Juski looks for another window of opportunity to try upgrading to 0.20 **

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Juski:

dammit.. I've also managed to upgrade my main database. arghhh.. stupid bloody idiot!

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Paladine:

"mythphone mythphone,no-one loves me on my mythphone :("

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Juski:

Paladine: just write a bot script to spam people, inviting them to join you in a video chat session :-P

[21:33:04]

RyeBrye3:

Paladine: Do you have video chat working in your mythphone now?

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Paladine:

no I am trying to test it but can't get anyone to test it with me

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Paladine:

I have video, but I haven't had a chance to test it yet

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monkeypet:

Paladine: I can test it with you.

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RyeBrye3:

I would test it, but my box isn't functional at the moment

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Paladine:

mokeypet 801141

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Hoxzer:

tell me some influential book

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Juski:

oh no... no I didn't break it.. schema ver. on my backend is still 1023 (PHEW!)

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Juski:

the perils of being too tired & having more than one system with different versions...

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Mersault:

Is it possible to use electricsheep as my mythmusic visualization?

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Juski:

nope

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Mersault:

okay. why?

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Juski:

if by 'possible' you mean 'not without modifying the source code'

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Mersault:

hmm... okay. they just have it them hardcoded in?

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Juski:

there was talk about adding support for libvisual a while back, but it was poo-pooed

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Mersault:

I just want it to run a command line program, as electric sheep doesn't sync to music anyway

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jammyd:

Would anyone be interested in a native, cocoa, mac MythTV player?

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kormoc:

currently, it doesn't offer that feature, but feel free to submit a patch

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Juski:

don't think you can do that, Mersault

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Mersault:

well, that's unfortunate.

[21:45:31]

Juski:

currently, plenty people think mythmusic isn't as good as it could (or should be) but nobody cares enough to make it better

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faken:

where do i have to playe my audio files that the mythmusic plugin find them ?

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Juski:

hear that? n o b o d y

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Mersault:

I'm certainly in that catagory. but it's not a matter of not caring, it's that I don't know enough code to make it better

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Paladine:

I think mythmusic rocks

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Juski:

faken: wherever you configured mythmusic to look for them, of course

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Juski:

Paladine: you don't have very much music do you?

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Paladine:

actually yes

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Paladine:

about 12GB in mythmusic at the moment

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faken:

mhh where do i find the config ?

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Mersault:

the best word to describe mythmusic is 'awkward'.

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Juski:

12GB isn't much

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Paladine:

depends on your perspective

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Mersault:

Paladine: talk to me when you have 120 gigs

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Paladine:

I would never have a need for 120GB of music

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Paladine:

wb monkey

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BULLE:

he, i wont tell you what my mythv has, in media storage

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Juski:

actually if I ever get round to paring my collection down to stuff I actually like it might be more like 2GB

[21:48:19]

Mersault:

Paladine: but that doesn't mean that lots of mythtv users don't have a need for 100+ gigs of music, and mythtv outta accomodate them.

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BULLE:

Mersault: i dont have any big problems using mythmusic with large collections of musix, as long as the files are tagged correctly

[21:49:10]

Juski:

there's a limit to how much you can achieve with just a remote control, and making a better UI will be difficult

[21:49:45]

Juski:

the '3 media bins' approach isn't one I like, either

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jammyd:

3 media bins?

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Mersault:

true. and mythmusic isn't full on broken. it just needs some serious tweaking.

[21:50:03]

BULLE:

Juski: yeah, a remote controll isnt the greatest

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Mersault:

3 bins = iTunes

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BULLE:

3 media bins ?

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BULLE:

i have never used itunes in my life, guess its becasue there is no linux version around

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kormoc:

crossover office runs itunes

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Paladine:

Mersault, when do you pay for mythtv to accomodate you for anything?

[21:51:15]

Mersault:

Paladine: buzz off. it's fair for a myth user to discuss the finer points of mythtv, both pro and con.

[21:51:30]

Juski:

no no no! the users don't matter

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Mersault:

Paladine: I'm not personally attacking an developers here.

[21:52:15]

Mersault:

anyway, I've got a life that needs some attention right now.

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Mersault:

ciao

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Juski:

what could be done, perhaps to attract a developer who might be interested in improving mythmusic ?

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Juski:

_not_ bounties, btw... not getting into that

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jammyd:

nothing.

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BULLE:

i think the main problem is not finding a developer

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BULLE:

but making a user interface that is easy to use and logical, for MOPST users

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Juski:

so what is it? finding a consensus on what it should do?

[21:54:09]

BULLE:

yes

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BULLE:

what and how

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Juski:

I'd be happy with a player that works in a similar way to XBMC

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BULLE:

i dont like the player in XBMC =)

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Juski:

starting to see why nobody has cared enough yet

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jammyd:

If there's nothing out that already that can satisfy everyone, why would myth expect that they can write something that would?

[21:56:16]

Juski:

true

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Juski:

maybe tv-style remotes are just no good for handling large volumes of meeja

[21:57:39]

Juski:

maybe you need some kind of mousey/trackball affair...

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Juski:

you can't click & drag with tv remote buttons ;)

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jammyd:

Indeed, perhaps the HID devices just arn't upto it. Maybe something akin to the Nintendo Wii controller might make input more straightforward for everyone.

[21:59:41]

Juski:

I mentioned the other day about how you could just about use mythvideo as a music player

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Juski:

.. if only mythvideo supported playlists

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Juski:

you could make playlist files & assign a custom player command to them

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Juski:

but not be able to make playlists on the fly...

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Juski:

might try that soon

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Juski:

that way you could mix music video files with audio tracks too

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BULLE:

i could agree that having a unified music and video player would be nice

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Juski:

and I think xine & mplayer both support playlists and visualisations

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kormoc:

they both support playlists at least

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BULLE:

the main problem for me is the fact that the resolution and searchability with a tv and a remote is limited

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BULLE:

and that, i dont see any simple solutionto

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jblack:

So, I'm only seeing on bad thing. xserver memory usage has gone through the roof

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BULLE:

Juski: seeing one bad thing, when doing what ?

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jblack:

root 4032 1.3 13.1 486648 66820 tty7 Ss+ Sep23 19:48 /usr/X11R6/bin/

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kormoc:

that's not real used memory

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BULLE:

indeed

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jblack:

The 486648 is virtual memory size.

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kormoc:

you would need to handle pmap to see the real memory usage

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jblack:

The system doesn't seem convinced. Its swapped out quite a bit: Swap: 979956 400576 579380

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jblack:

That's the swap line from free.

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Juski:

BULLE: well, the times I want to play music in mythtv, I tend to just use predefined lists... not altogether bothered about visuals, so I could just use mythvideo

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BULLE:

Juski: same here, visuals arent important

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BULLE:

to me

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kormoc:

jblack, pmap -x `pidof X`

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jammyd:

likewise, but they're not a hard thing to implement

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kormoc:

jblack, the total at the bottom is the real memory usage for X

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jblack:

total kB 683980 – – -

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kormoc:

jblack, erm, sorry, use -d not -x

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jblack:

mapped: 683980K writeable/private: 472712K shared: 203216K

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kormoc:

jblack, the writeable/private is the memory usage of X

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kormoc:

that's ungodly high indeed

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Juski:

hrm... lots to think about... and it's my bedtime.

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Juski:

g'night all

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jblack:

I'll see if the problem continues after I restart X

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KaiForce:

anyone been in here complaining about static with DirectTV receivers?

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Aid`:

you? :)

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KaiForce:

besides good ol' KF

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kormoc:

in short, no

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Aid`:

you mean static from the the receiver to the tv?

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Aid`:

or from antenna to receiver

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KaiForce:

no

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KaiForce:

from receiver to myth

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Aid`:

what do you use, rca cables?

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KaiForce:

or more precisely, receiver to ivtv

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Aid`:

what tuner card do you have??

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KaiForce:

i deleted my cards/sources etc. and re-added, and when i took out the channel change script, and set the tuner channel to 3, it worked, but after reboot it is static again. PVR-250

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KaiForce:

something changed Saturday night

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Aid`:

oh, i have no experience w/ pvr-250 sorry

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KaiForce:

its ok

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Aid`:

if you said DVB-S i couldpossibly help

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KaiForce:

I did a full reload today, FC5/Jarod's guide... something bizarre is going on

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Aid`:

:) i use to use directv but then i went to FTA satellite

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Paladine:

I wish the would start developing mythphone again

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Paladine:

cos it is good when it works

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Paladine:

just a bit buggy

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Aid`:

mythphone?? whats it do

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Paladine:

voice and video over IP

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Paladine:

SIPs

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Paladine:

embedded into mythfrontend

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Aid`:

webcams?

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Paladine:

so basically video conferencing

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Aid`:

why not finish

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Paladine:

a hang up key would be a nice start :)

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hads:

I've never actually used the phone side of it, it's fantastic for seeing who's calling via the on screen popup though.

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Paladine:

yeah but it is very buggy

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Paladine:

thereis no option to hang up

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Paladine:

so when the call drop it thinks it is still connected

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hads:

Bummer.

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GreyFoxx:

Paladine: Hit 'O' to hangup

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Paladine:

where you find that? I scoured the docs about 12 times lol

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GreyFoxx:

I read the source code

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Paladine:

hehehe

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Paladine:

yup O works hehe

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Paladine:

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Paladine:

Greyfoxx you got mythphone working?

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GreyFoxx:

I installed it once just to see if I could get it to connect to my asterisk box. NEver used it (or installed it) again

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hads:

I have it registered with my Asterisk box and it rings when the home phone rings just so I get the callerid popup.

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GreyFoxx:

hads: I just use mythtvosd for that

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GreyFoxx:

asterisk calls mythtvosd and that alerts me to the callerid info for incoming regular calls

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GreyFoxx:

http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/osd/ second icon is how it looks on my machine

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GreyFoxx:

err I suppsoe second screenshot,not icon heh

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hads:

Cool. I should look into mythtvosd. I'm a myth nub so I used mythphone as it was the first thing that came to mind.

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hads:

It does annoy me slightly that it appends the IP of my asterisk box to the callerid number on the popup.

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hads:

Ugh, I've drunk a litre of water in the last hour, I think I'm going to drown.

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GreyFoxx:

http://pastebin.ca/181460

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GreyFoxx:

That's what I have in my incoming context to trigger it

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KaiForce:

ok, a lot more info on my static problem.

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KaiForce:

if I remove my external channel change script, and preset channel 3, i get video. If I then change the channel (no chan change script) to something other than 3, it goes to static. Back to 3, it works. I think mythtv is using both the channel change script, and is changing the input channel for the tuner at the same time...

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KaiForce:

anyway in ivtvctl to see what channel it is tuned to?

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Anduin:

KaiForce: You can -R to get the frequency (well scaled)

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KaiForce:

is there a conversion chart? says 980

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hads:

GreyFoxx: Cool, that's nice and simple.

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KaiForce:

i'm not sure what channel I'm tuned to right now, myth is downstairs

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Anduin:

KaiForce: * 62.5 then look it up in frequencies.c (or some other frequency chart)

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KaiForce:

cool thank you. I guess it doesn't matter, if that changes, i have a problem.

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KaiForce:

if that changes when I change channels

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KaiForce:

i'll test it now

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