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Friday, September 22nd, 2006, 00:01 UTC
[00:01:02] xris: word: and the transcode puts it to whatever quality you choose. could very well be bigger than the original, or only remove the commercials, leaving the rest of the recording intact in its original format (lossless).
[00:01:05] word: depends on your transcode settings
[00:01:18] word: yah what xris said
[00:01:33] xris: gentoo_noob: "transcode" profiles work just like recording profiles. you choose resolution, bitrate, etc.
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[00:02:47] gentoo_noob: that is on low quality 480X480
[00:03:05] gentoo_noob: in rtjepg 170
[00:03:10] word: doesn't sound like it
[00:03:19] roger55: is it possible to drop audiochannels/reduce the bitrate when recording/watching mpeg2 so I need to transfer less data to a remote frontend?
[00:03:44] gentoo_noob: well that is what i selected
[00:04:10] gentoo_noob: unless my low and medium options don't work
[00:04:34] xris: gentoo_noob: you don't want rtjpeg
[00:04:48] frankrizzo: i think mine defaulted to rtjpeg
[00:04:56] frankrizzo: and 480x480 for all qualities
[00:05:13] xris: rtjpeg is low quality with low cpu usage, really only useful for software encoding on old machines.
[00:05:28] frankrizzo: that seem normal....?
[00:05:39] xris: frankrizzo: sounds decent. most people don't transcode.
[00:05:57] xris: personally, I'd just recommend recording at the quality you want and then use the lossless transcoder to remove commercials rather than reencode and introduce more artifacts.
[00:06:23] frankrizzo: if I am having quality problems on playback, should I up it from 480x480?
[00:07:35] gentoo_noob: i am looking to store the files meaning i need a low file size
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[00:10:01] gentoo_noob: well mpeg have smaller file sizes?
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[00:11:57] xris: gentoo_noob: file size depends solely on the bitrate you choose.
[00:12:04] xris: if you want to archive programs, take a look at nuvexport.
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[00:12:31] xris: it will export them from mythtv into a variety of formats, including xvid avi files, and you can play them back via mythvideo
[00:13:00] gentoo_noob: i would like to archive but it would be nice to also still be able to use watch recorded shows
[00:14:08] xris: you *can* shoehorn avi files back into that list with .20, but it requires some manual rebuilding of the seek tables, etc.
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[00:16:09] D-side: howdy boys and girls.
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[00:16:54] frankrizzo: xris, what would a valid width and height be for recording quality above 480x480?
[00:16:57] opello: D-side: heh
[00:17:01] D-side: opello: haha
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[00:17:07] D-side: thats funny.
[00:17:09] frankrizzo: hi D-side
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[00:17:25] D-side: hi there, jerky.
[00:17:27] D-side: orsomething.
[00:17:39] D-side: opello: so, what do you think the chances of today's woot working with linux are? :)
[00:17:59] D-side: i think my office might be responsible for them selling out.
[00:18:23] opello: D-side: dunno, usb tuners :/
[00:18:44] D-side: lets go with "eventually"
[00:18:52] D-side: hell, for the $25 i had to have it regardless.
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[00:20:32] scottder: Anyone else have issues with color on the preview part of the recording screen....seems like colors are inverted (Thomas the Tank Engine is yellow! :))
[00:21:42] opello: D-side: heh
[00:22:08] Fnc: what was todays woot?
[00:22:15] D-side: woot.com
[00:22:44] Fnc: im too lazy
[00:23:57] hjohnson: whee.. I've been locked out of my building
[00:23:58] kormoc: Lazyness is no excuse for being off topic
[00:24:11] opello: heh, Adaptec GameBridge TV USB2 Video Capture/TV Tuner
[00:24:19] opello: sorry for the ot, but he asked
[00:24:42] Fnc: seems sorta ontopic to me no?
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[00:25:21] kormoc: Fnc, but you didn't know that it was, so it still counts!
[00:26:36] Fnc: figured if they were talking about it earilier, and it eventually workin it was related
[00:26:40] oscarello: hi, does anybody knows how well does the s3 cards work on linux?
[00:26:55] oscarello: I just bought a motherboard with that graphic card
[00:27:54] Fnc: s3 styuff has worked on linux for eva
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[00:29:37] fiveiron: hmmm..I need something like "alsaequalizer" ... lol
[00:29:41] oscarello: Im making a home server mainly for file and network services , I want to share my movies and music with my family, and I want to use ssh tunnelling(my schools blocks irc)
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[00:30:18] oscarello: and I want to be able to connect my server to the tv so that Ican watch movies and do some stuff, using mythtv
[00:30:22] fiveiron: anyone using myth on ubuntu?
[00:30:28] krisp_: lots are
[00:30:37] krisp_: i run it on debian which is fundamentally the same thing
[00:30:44] fiveiron: how do you get the plugins once you've installed the .debs??
[00:30:44] krisp_: though it doesnt reallt work right yet
[00:30:51] krisp_: dunno i built from source
[00:30:55] kormoc: oscarello, given the questionalable legal status of shareing of files, and the off topic nature of it, we would perfer that you don't ask about that sort of thing
[00:31:03] fiveiron: i've installed the master plugin but none of them show up in my frontend
[00:31:09] opello: sharing files is legal
[00:31:22] opello: sharing copyrighted material that people charge for to make a living is not
[00:31:26] oscarello: kormoc, im not asking about it, i want to ask if someone has used thos vga-s-video connectors
[00:31:28] opello: :p
[00:31:46] ** opello puts 'a' in a file and dcc's it to D-side **
[00:31:47] kormoc: oscarello, so ask that then, and don't mention the other stuff
[00:31:54] kormoc: heh opello
[00:31:58] oscarello: :(
[00:32:04] oscarello: ok then
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[00:32:37] fiveiron: anybody?
[00:32:56] fiveiron: none of the plugins i've installed are available in my frontend... do i have to edit a config somewhere?
[00:33:43] antiProzac: how do I enable Xv..something-or-other in mythtv
[00:34:00] antiProzac: someone was asking to try it yesterday and I forgot how to navigate there
[00:34:08] fiveiron: antiProzac, go to Setup -> TV
[00:34:14] fiveiron: its an option in there
[00:34:21] fiveiron: like "Enable Xv picture controls"
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[00:35:18] oscarello: hi, has anybody tried this vga-s-video-rca connectors? do they work? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem . . . AIT&rd=1
[00:35:26] word: anyone know where a log for nfs would be?
[00:35:46] hjohnson: word: they call it the "nightmware file system" for a reason. ;)
[00:35:50] krisp_: /var/log/messages
[00:35:56] oscarello: I just bought one, but im not wure if it will work, it says: This adapter only work on the Display Card with TV-out function.
[00:35:57] hjohnson: (honestly I think it's under messages or syslog
[00:35:57] krisp_: or /var/log/syslog should contain nfs messages
[00:36:04] antiProzac: its not in Setup->TV->General
[00:36:12] antiProzac: thats transcoding defaults and stuff
[00:36:16] krisp_: its in Playback not General
[00:38:02] kormoc: oscarello, you could say... just try it and see
[00:39:49] oscarello: kormoc, I just bought the mobo and the adapter on the web, and they haven't arrived yet, Im very anxious
[00:40:15] kormoc: oscarello, in all honestly, it likely won't work
[00:40:23] oscarello: :(
[00:41:19] kormoc: you would need a video card that can output pal or ntsc over the vga port, and it's been a long long time sense they've been around
[00:42:53] oscarello: so I just bought crap
[00:43:04] kormoc: quite likely
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[00:50:10] fhuzy: anyone able to help with ati remote wonder on fc5?
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[00:55:30] kury]: what should my l/etc/conf.d/lircd file look like for a pinicle serial based IR reciever?? irw runs.. but it doesn't pick up any singlals..
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[00:56:58] drew_: hello
[00:57:06] drew_: can anyone here help me with my ivtv drivers?
[00:57:09] drew_: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?p=613572#post613572
[00:57:18] drew_: i just made a post i dont know why they will not work
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[01:09:08] coder: when i run mythfrontend, i get "failed to find network interface eth0"
[01:09:48] coder: my nic is eth1, my question is where would this be referenced?
[01:10:01] coder: i think its in one of the plugins, but dont know which one
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[01:16:16] Anduin: coder: MythPhone, you can actually go change it in the settings screen
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[01:19:02] coder: how do i get to it?
[01:19:58] Anduin: coder: I don't use it, the settings screen for it.
[01:20:06] coder: i just removed it
[01:20:13] J-e-f-f-A: oscarello: See if you can find an older Matrox card — they can do rgb @ 15khz output.
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[01:20:50] oscarello: J-e-f-f-A, ok, I ll check them on ebay
[01:21:12] oscarello: J-e-f-f-A, are they well supported on linux? do they have good acceleration or ehatever mythtv needs?
[01:21:54] sipher: Any devs get a hold of a beta Neuros OSD?
[01:21:57] J-e-f-f-A: oscarello: For Standard-definition stuff, right?
[01:22:03] oscarello: yes
[01:22:28] kury]: why doesn't irw say anythign when I press buttons on my remote??
[01:23:19] sipher: It should be possible to run MythTV on the OSD w/ an external HDD right? or.. am I missing the point of the device?
[01:23:34] J-e-f-f-A: oscarello: There are drivers in Linux, how optimized they are, I don't know. But I know in the 'arcade emulation' world they're one of the 'most flexible' cards when it comes to setting custom timings, all the way down to 15khz for most cards.
[01:23:38] Paladine: J-e-f-f-A, is it safe to plug this serial blaster in with the system powered up or do I need to shut down first?
[01:23:59] J-e-f-f-A: Paladine: As long as you didn't short it out, then it's safe to do either... ;-)
[01:24:03] sipher: because including the HDD it competes with off the shelf subscription PVR's
[01:24:16] sipher: price-wise*
[01:24:31] Paladine: I think I will wait til I power down
[01:24:48] Paladine: I will have to rebuild lirc anyway cos ubuntu has decided to have 2 kernel upgrades in the last week
[01:25:20] J-e-f-f-A: oscarello: Maybe look for a 'mame' channel and ask those guys what the best video card for Linux is that can be set to scan at 15kzh on the RGB port...
[01:26:27] Fnc: dvb#0 warning – symbol rate setting (0) is out of range (min/max: 5056941/10762000)
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[01:26:38] fhuzy: Anyone know how to correct ati_remote from sending multiple keys?
[01:26:42] Fnc: anyone know what that means.. or better yet, how to fix it
[01:26:46] J-e-f-f-A: Paladine: What are kernel upgrades?  ;-) I don't upgrade unless something is broken... ;-)
[01:27:17] Paladine: I upgrade to lose the annoying orange square in my systray :)
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[01:27:39] ** kormoc blinks **
[01:27:48] J-e-f-f-A: Paladine: I shut off the red hat flashing 'damn it' sign...
[01:27:58] kormoc: I have no idea why a kernel would cause something in your systray, and you know, I likely just don't wanna know
[01:28:07] Paladine: hehehehe
[01:28:31] coder: so close.. =(
[01:28:42] Paladine: kormoc, ubuntu has autoupdates and when there are new updates it puts an orange square in the systray to make sur eyou damn well know it ;)
[01:29:37] J-e-f-f-A: fhuzy: You'll probably have to make some minor adjustments to the lircd.conf file — I think you want to increase the 'min repeat' value to stop this. Check the lirc docs too...
[01:30:05] Fnc: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . t%3B;#216705
[01:30:06] kury]: why doesn't irw say anythign when I press buttons on my remote??
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[01:30:38] sigger_: kury]: a) try ##lirc, b) is lircd running?
[01:30:49] Paladine: fnc, you ever heard of tinyurl?
[01:31:00] fhuzy: this is ati_remote kernel module which seems to work great except for multiple keys. I've tried to get lircd to work, but can't get atiusb module to load
[01:31:18] J-e-f-f-A: Paladine: He pasted a url link to the archives, not to his own site... ;-)
[01:31:20] kury]: sigger, ya lircd is running..
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[01:31:43] Paladine: J-e-f-f-A, still an uglyass URL :)
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[01:32:00] fhuzy: tinyurl.com is your friend ;-)
[01:32:04] sigger_: kury]: do mode2 and irrecord get anything?
[01:32:19] J-e-f-f-A: kury]: Then you probably don't have the right remote codes in /etc/lircd.conf ...
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[01:32:30] coder: how do i tell a remote mythfrontend where to look for backend?
[01:32:41] kury]: sigger, mode2: error opening /dev/lirc/0
[01:32:42] coder: the setup appears to be just for the mysql db
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[01:32:55] coder: and it keeps trying to connect to 127.0.0.1 for backend
[01:33:08] J-e-f-f-A: coder: mythtv-setup?
[01:33:13] Fnc: nope... what tinyurl?
[01:33:25] coder: on remote frontend only box?
[01:33:42] J-e-f-f-A: Yep.
[01:33:52] fhuzy: Fnc: put the link in at tinyurl.com and you will get a much easier link
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[01:35:02] Fnc: are long urls frowned upon? seems much easier to cut and paste from original...
[01:35:16] D-side: sort of
[01:35:19] D-side: but let me say this
[01:35:22] Fnc: besides if no ones going to check out the link anyway.. whats it matter ;)
[01:35:29] D-side: i will not go to a tinyurl'ed link. ever.
[01:35:35] J-e-f-f-A: coder: Umm. that might not be right — I'm checking now — maybe it's in the mythfrontend setup menus... Actually, now that I think about it, yes it's in the mythfrontend setup.
[01:35:43] J-e-f-f-A: coder: (sorry!)
[01:36:00] Fnc: ppl would just rather bitch about use something else.. then dont look anyway
[01:36:47] coder: jeff: i only see one for mysql =(
[01:36:50] coder: in setup menu
[01:37:04] Fnc: all i want is my freakin HD OTA to work... and i cant figure out what dvb#0 warning – symbol rate setting (0) is out of range (min/max: 5056941/10762000) is all about
[01:37:05] J-e-f-f-A: coder: That's it — Why, do you have mysql on a seperate box?
[01:37:10] coder: no
[01:37:33] coder: but when i run mythfrontend and click "watch tv" i see errors in console "failed connecting to 127.0.0.1"
[01:37:43] J-e-f-f-A: coder: So that should be set to your backend's IP address.
[01:37:46] coder: and then it asks me if backend is running
[01:37:52] coder: right.. how?
[01:38:00] coder: backend and db on same box
[01:38:07] J-e-f-f-A: coder: Make sure if you change that, don't
[01:38:19] coder: ?
[01:38:27] J-e-f-f-A: coder ... 'esc' out of it... the 'ok' button is off the bottom of the screen...
[01:39:12] Fnc: how easy is it to upgrade to .20a? from .19?
[01:39:13] J-e-f-f-A: Select the last field on the screen, then press the down arrow and press enter, and go though all the screens until you're back to the menu again. Otherwise it won't get saved.
[01:39:50] ** J-e-f-f-A wonders if the setup screens in .20 have fixed the 'hidden' ok/back/cancel buttons! **
[01:40:23] coder: jeff: im running it in a window-mode and can see the buttons..
[01:40:34] coder: and it is being saved
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[01:40:47] Fnc: yeah those are a pain jeffa
[01:41:16] Fnc: how do you run in window mode?
[01:41:17] J-e-f-f-A: coder: Ok, then make sure you go through each of the screens until you get the 'finish' button. Then it should save your backend's IP.
[01:41:45] J-e-f-f-A: coder: I'm not sure if you need to re-start the frontend at that point, but it won't hurt anything.
[01:41:52] coder: the hostname is saved.. i can see it in ~/.mythtv
[01:42:19] J-e-f-f-A: coder: So are you all set now, or is it still saying 127.0.0.1 ???
[01:42:29] coder: it connects to db fine..
[01:42:40] coder: but looking for backend on 127.0.0.1
[01:42:52] J-e-f-f-A: coder: Humm...
[01:43:25] Fnc: isnt that in myth-setup
[01:43:30] Fnc: not frontend
[01:43:38] coder: frontend only
[01:43:49] coder: im running frontend only on one box
[01:43:55] Fnc: you set those setting in myth-setup
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[01:44:00] GreyFoxx: the location of the backend is configured in mythtv-setup
[01:44:04] Fnc: i hope you have a backend somewhere else
[01:44:15] GreyFoxx: But it only needs to be done once
[01:44:16] Fnc: thanx grey thats what i was sayin
[01:44:36] GreyFoxx: As long as it was done when he setup his backend and the frontend connects to the same database it should be fine
[01:44:57] J-e-f-f-A: coder: Fnc is right — and I was right the first time around — it's in mythtv-setup Sorry if I sent you on a 'wild goose chase'...
[01:44:58] Fnc: it does not need to be done on the frontend box???
[01:45:09] GreyFoxx: Fnc: No it doesn't
[01:45:41] GreyFoxx: It's a global setting. So regardless of what machine you run mythtv-setup on it will read from the same valuein the database
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[01:46:07] Fnc: hmm... id still check in there though.. he may have it set up as 127
[01:46:21] Fnc: if he hasnt had use for a sepeate fronend b4
[01:46:30] GreyFoxx: You are probably right
[01:46:34] J-e-f-f-A: GreyFoxx: Yeah, but when you run mythtv-setup, I think the 'general' tab is local — it's the IP address of the local box, and the backend...
[01:46:47] GreyFoxx: Jef: No
[01:47:03] GreyFoxx: The value for the master backend is not a local setting
[01:47:08] drew_: hello
[01:47:26] drew_: anyone here good with setting up ivtv drivers for haunnupeg devices
[01:47:32] J-e-f-f-A: GreyFoxx: Eh? Then what am I looking at now? "Master Server IP address"? How else would a remote frontend know to find the backend?
[01:47:34] Fnc: grey: what im saying is the default is 127.
[01:47:37] drew_: im having issues with mine, i made a post online
[01:47:44] drew_: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?p=613575#post613575
[01:48:03] Fnc: ivtv is cake... there is lots out there on it
[01:48:10] GreyFoxx: J: Because it reads that from the database
[01:48:15] GreyFoxx: It donly needs to be set once
[01:48:26] Fnc: grey: what im saying is he didnt set it once
[01:48:30] GreyFoxx: as long as the frontend can reach the database it can lookup the backend ip
[01:48:34] Fnc: just did the default localhost
[01:48:40] drew_: FNC would you mind reading my post and telling me what im doing wrong
[01:48:43] Fnc: oh i see that
[01:48:48] robbins876: drew_ what distro?
[01:48:51] Fnc: sure if you fix my problem
[01:48:53] drew_: fedora core 5
[01:49:02] robbins876: i got a guide for you
[01:49:03] J-e-f-f-A: coder: Ok, so then you need to run mythtv-setup on your backend, and change the 'ip address for xxx" to your 'real' ip, not 127.0.0.1, and again for the "master server ip address'...
[01:49:07] drew_: im only using it cause it has mythtv 0.20 packages
[01:49:27] drew_: robbins876, ive been readin the tutorials
[01:49:29] robbins876: i'm in fedora and love it
[01:49:35] drew_: yea its a nice distro
[01:49:40] robbins876: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php
[01:49:46] robbins876: you've looked at wilsons?
[01:49:51] J-e-f-f-A: GreyFoxx: Ok, so that's a little confusing. Humm... should probably be in a FAQ if it isn't already... ;-)
[01:49:53] robbins876: what problem are you running into?
[01:49:59] GreyFoxx: Jeff: a frontend only doesn't need to go in there at all
[01:50:24] GreyFoxx: Only thing you would need to set on a frontend only is the path to the recordings if you are nfs mounting it
[01:50:37] GreyFoxx: the backendip is only used if the "frontend" machine is also running a backend
[01:50:45] Anduin: kury]: good lircd.conf?
[01:50:45] Fnc: who was it that was having the frontend problem in the first place?
[01:50:47] GreyFoxx: and "master backend ip" is a global setting
[01:50:49] J-e-f-f-A: GreyFoxx: Yeah, I understand now. It connects to mysql remotely, and reads the parameters from there. So if it's getting 127.0.0.1, then it's what was set by mythtv-setup on the backend...
[01:50:58] drew_: robbins876, i have been followng that guide
[01:50:59] GreyFoxx: yup
[01:51:03] Fnc: but i bet its reading it as 127
[01:51:35] kury]: Anduin, I don't have a lircd.conf because I can't even communicate w/ the device yet..
[01:51:44] coder: can i use hostnames?
[01:51:56] GreyFoxx: coder: I don't think so
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[01:52:13] J-e-f-f-A: coder: Just set your myth boxes to static IP's outside of your router's DNS range.
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[01:52:15] drew_: robbins876, you still there?
[01:52:41] J-e-f-f-A: For example, my router assigns 100 thru 150. My myth boxes have IP's of .18, .19, .20, etc... ;-)
[01:53:00] sphing: hey GregFoxx...
[01:53:19] sphing: i cant for the live of me remember what the option to get the niveus module to work
[01:53:59] GreyFoxx: lolatype=1 ?
[01:54:04] J-e-f-f-A: kury]: In that case, maybe you want to try 'irrecord'... irw only acts on 'known' codes from the lircd.conf. irrecord will help you create the lircd.conf.
[01:54:52] drew_: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?p=613575#post613575  – Can anyone help me?
[01:56:03] kury]: J-e-f-f-A, irrecord: could not init hardware (lircd running ? --> close it, check permissions)
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[01:58:53] Fnc: when you do a scan for hd ota channels and get locked but end up with no tables... whats up with that???
[02:00:20] sphing: GreyFoxx: lolatype=1 doesn't seem to be working
[02:00:32] J-e-f-f-A: kury]: You probably need to ask at the lirc channel – ##lirc The only two reasons I can think of for that error, as mentioned in the error itself, is that a) lircd is not running, or b) permissions on /dev/lirc* are not correct...
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[02:03:39] J-e-f-f-A: drew_: Looks like you don't have the firmware files in place — "ivtv0: Error locating firmware." --
[02:03:59] drew_: J-e-f-f-A
[02:04:03] drew_: yea
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[02:04:15] drew_: i installed the firmware package through yum
[02:04:43] J-e-f-f-A: drew_: Check if they're in /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/v4l-cx2*
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[02:05:39] Daedalus_: Is there a mythtv frontend for MacOSX?
[02:05:49] monkeypet: yes
[02:05:51] J-e-f-f-A: Daedalus_: Yes.
[02:05:56] drew_: yea i have these files v4l-cx2341x-dec.fw v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw
[02:06:13] monkeypet: Daedalus_: works great!
[02:06:16] drew_: J-e-f-f-A, do i need anything else in that folder?
[02:06:29] J-e-f-f-A: drew_: You might need v4l-cx25840.fw too — I have that one in there too, although it might not be needed...
[02:06:37] Daedalus_: monkeypet: It didn't look obvious from mythtv.org. Is there a particular location I should look?
[02:06:38] Fnc: when you do a scan for hd ota channels and get locked but end up with no tables... whats up with that???
[02:06:57] drew_: J-e-f-f-A, is their anyreason i wouldnt have all the needed files after a fresh install
[02:07:03] J-e-f-f-A: Daedalus_: A quick google should find it-- just search for mythtv and macos
[02:07:16] monkeypet: Daedalus_: google for it, i forgot the name
[02:07:21] J-e-f-f-A: drew_: The firmware doesn't come with the OS...
[02:07:37] Daedalus_: monkeypet, jeffa: Will do. Thanks.
[02:07:40] drew_: yea i installed it from the atrpms repo fro fedora core 5
[02:07:44] coder: this is driving me absolutely insane heh
[02:07:52] J-e-f-f-A: Daedalus_: Yeah, it's some guys' personal page — It's pretty easy to find.
[02:08:29] J-e-f-f-A: coder: Why? It's pretty easy....
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[02:09:20] coder: "the server uses network protocol version 30, but this client only understands version 15... " is this progress?
[02:10:03] J-e-f-f-A: coder: yes — your backend is newer (.20?) and your frontend is old... (.18 or .19?) You need to be running the same version frontend as the backend.
[02:10:54] ** J-e-f-f-A personally thinks that message should be updated to something like "Your backend is running MythTV v0.20, and your frontend is running v0.18" ... ya know what I mean? **
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[02:12:02] ** J-e-f-f-A although it *would* be nice if there was some 'backward compatibility' mode — it would make it easier for those of us with multiple frontends! ;-) **
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[02:15:42] Anduin: The protocol revision is much more specific
[02:16:41] coder: so i have to build the entire mythtv package.. just for mythfrontend?
[02:17:29] J-e-f-f-A: coder: I dunno... I've only done it via rpm's to date...
[02:17:38] Anduin: coder: Yes
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[02:19:32] drew_: J-e-f-f-A, i installed another packae that included that firmware file you had that i didnt
[02:19:40] J-e-f-f-A: Anduin: Yeah, but perhaps it could say something like "Your backend is running MythTV 0.20 (protocol v30) and your frontend is running 0.18 (protocol v15)" That would be much less confusing imho...
[02:19:44] drew_: i still dont have any device on /dev/video1
[02:19:49] drew_: or /dev/video*
[02:20:39] J-e-f-f-A: drew_: yeah, I was comparing your dmemsg output to mine... it definetly is different, but then again, I've got a 250 and a 500. But the 500 is basically two 150's, so I was giving it a shot...
[02:20:54] drew_: yea
[02:20:57] drew_: i have a 150
[02:21:13] drew_: i dont understand what im doing wrong
[02:21:21] drew_: ive been following the tutorial perfectly
[02:21:25] Anduin: J-e-f-f-A: Sure, it could also spit out the SVN number (more useful than the version number), the meaning would still be the same.
[02:21:30] drew_: ive been workiing on this for the last 5 hours
[02:23:10] J-e-f-f-A: Anduin: I'm not trying to be a "Winer". I just think "more information is better" ;-)
[02:23:48] Anduin: J-e-f-f-A: Yup, I get it, hey it used to just break :)
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[02:24:40] Anduin: drew_: can you lspci as root? tried a different PCI slot? etc
[02:25:02] J-e-f-f-A: drew_: Looks like your 150's a different model than my 500 — yours is tuner "TCL MFNM05 -4" — mine is a Philips... Humph... Yeah, like Anduin I was just going to suggest trying a different slot...
[02:25:08] drew_: Anduin, yea i could try
[02:25:16] drew_: i am also using a weird pci thing
[02:25:23] drew_: i have a special HTPC case
[02:25:36] drew_: and it makes me use this device that extends from my pci slot
[02:25:47] Anduin: Yeah, a PCI riser
[02:25:48] Paladine: so anyway how many of you are planning to buy a PS3?
[02:25:50] drew_: and then it tilts the cards to the right
[02:25:53] J-e-f-f-A: drew_: So you're using a 'pci riser' so the card mounts 'horizonntal'.
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[02:25:58] drew_: yes
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[02:26:32] J-e-f-f-A: drew_: Humm... does that mean you don't have another slot to move it to?
[02:26:37] Paladine: cos I just read a really amusing article about gran turismo HD on the PS3 :)
[02:26:39] drew_: yes
[02:26:54] drew_: i think im going to try and see if i did the pci riser the wrong way
[02:26:59] drew_: i might be a hardware issues
[02:27:15] drew_: hey here is another question
[02:27:25] J-e-f-f-A: drew_: Ick... Well, if you did the riser the wrong way, it wouldn't get recognized at all, or worse, would have toasted the card or motherboard...
[02:27:34] drew_: ok
[02:27:43] drew_: well then i would assume its working the right way
[02:27:55] drew_: the computer is fine and im pretty sure the cards been somewhat reconized
[02:28:07] drew_: did you all view my post on fedora forums
[02:28:13] Anduin: Yes
[02:28:13] drew_: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?p=613575#post613575
[02:28:32] J-e-f-f-A: drew_: The only thing I might suggest is to try it just in the slot itself to see if it works ok. If it does, then for some reason it's the riser or the pci slot. If it works, then it's the riser...
[02:28:38] Anduin: drew_: assume you've loaded and reloaded ivtv countless times by now right?
[02:28:45] drew_: yes
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[02:28:50] Paladine: J-e-f-f-A, from your perspective, what would be the most important aspects of a car racing game like gran turismo?
[02:28:51] kury]: why doesn't irrecord or mode2 say anythign when I press buttons on my remote??
[02:29:20] J-e-f-f-A: Paladine: realistic graphics and physics, and damage too!
[02:29:28] fiveiron: anyone know how to get the plugins installed for mythtv in ubuntu?
[02:29:37] fiveiron: i've installed the packages, but they arent in my frontend
[02:29:40] Paladine: J-e-f-f-A, would you rank cars and tracks as being primary requisites?
[02:29:43] drew_: fiveiron, there is packages for it int he repos
[02:29:44] nandy__: anyone have expereince with firewire capture ? it seems test-mpeg2 sometimes works and sometimes doesnt
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[02:29:53] drew_: just browse in synaptic
[02:29:56] fiveiron: drew_, I've installed those
[02:30:05] fiveiron: they arent showing up in my frontend... like i said
[02:30:12] drew_: odd
[02:30:32] drew_: im still somewhat a newb, but i have gotten mythtv working on another computer
[02:30:42] drew_: just never with a hannapeg card
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[02:30:47] drew_: witch is what im trying to do now
[02:30:59] Anduin: kury]: dmesg shows that the hardware driver registered itself with lirc_dev?
[02:31:08] J-e-f-f-A: Paladine: I'd prefer realism over a large choice of cars... You can't take a 90-degree turn at 100 miles an hour like many games let you do...
[02:31:18] Paladine: J-e-f-f-A, because Gran Turismo: HD is shipping for the PS3 with zero cars and zero tracks
[02:31:26] Paladine: you have to purchase them seperately
[02:31:44] J-e-f-f-A: Paladine: Eh? That's stupid!!! It should at least come with one of each!!! Don't you think so?!?
[02:31:51] Paladine: Sony have obviously totally lost the plot
[02:32:08] Paladine: I hate sony with passion so I ind it highly amusing :)
[02:32:16] Paladine: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060921-7802.html
[02:32:31] Paladine: seriously, it is gonna ship with zero cars and zero tracks
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[02:32:42] Anduin: batteries not included
[02:33:12] Paladine: gotta love a game with literally no content lol
[02:33:32] kormoc: it'll be bundled with some credits in the online store likely
[02:33:41] J-e-f-f-A: Paladine: And you need to buy the $700 game machine to play the game with no cars included... dumb...
[02:33:50] kormoc: "GT:HD Premium will come with 30 cars and two courses built-in, with additional ones available for purchase online in the same fashion"
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[02:34:00] Paladine: kormoc, according to the game creators you have to purchase the carsand tracks, it says nothing about free credits
[02:34:13] Paladine: kormoc, that is the second release of the game
[02:34:27] Paladine: the first release of the game (the standard version) comes with zero cars and zero tracks
[02:34:38] kormoc: and at the time, World of Warcraft was said it was going to ship without a free month of gameplay, and they changed that before launch
[02:34:40] drew_: brb
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[02:34:45] J-e-f-f-A: Paladine: Maybe they have a recall on the 1st release already?  ;-)
[02:35:02] kormoc: Sony's not stupid, they'll watch the news like a hawk and they'll give something with the standard edition
[02:35:10] Paladine: J-e-f-f-A, pretty tight DRM eh? people cannot play pirate copies of our game because there is no game!
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[02:35:59] nandy_: got firewire working!
[02:36:00] nandy_: woot!
[02:36:03] J-e-f-f-A: Paladine: We don't need non stinkin' DRM! That's why we've all got Myth boxes instead of TiVOs!!!
[02:36:43] Paladine: hehehe
[02:37:46] J-e-f-f-A: Paladine: I got "MythStreamTV" setup again, and just setup "Myth Burn" for the first time a few days ago (still sticking with .19 for now) Both work pretty good!
[02:38:06] Paladine: whats MythStreamTV?
[02:38:12] Paladine: and MythBurn?
[02:38:20] Paladine: we need MythIRC
[02:38:40] Paladine: so we can replace our x widows with mythtv and do everything from it with a remote and wireless keyboard :)
[02:38:49] J-e-f-f-A: Paladine: It's an 'unofficial' plugin that was created around .18 that allows real-time transcoding to lower quality for streaming over the internet... ;-)
[02:39:36] Paladine: MythBurn I presume is for burning movies to disc?
[02:39:39] J-e-f-f-A: Paladine: It uses VLC to do the transcoding, and works pretty good.
[02:39:50] J-e-f-f-A: Paladine: Yes — replaced with "MythArchive" in .20
[02:39:54] kury]: Anduin, I still can't get lirc working..
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[02:40:10] Paladine: I setup vlc to use as a passthrough in Myth to remove the buffering/recording of LiveTV
[02:40:20] Anduin: kury]: What hardware?
[02:40:25] Paladine: kury], I have seen at least 2 people tell you to go to ##lirc
[02:40:46] kury]: Anduin, pinnacle systems serial IR reciever..
[02:40:46] J-e-f-f-A: Paladine: That's better than #sand ... ;-)
[02:40:56] kury]: Paladine, been there..
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[02:41:22] fiveiron: anyone else having probs compiling mythplugins from source?
[02:41:34] kury]: fiveiron, nope..
[02:41:44] Anduin: kury]: pastebin the dmesg output for where your are starting/loading it
[02:41:51] J-e-f-f-A: Paladine: On the Tandem mainframes I work on, the printer spooler locations start with a # sign... One of the printers locations used to be #SAND ... ;-)
[02:41:51] Paladine: one thing that gets me with mythtv is the logic behind not having an unbuffered/non recording LiveTV option
[02:41:52] fiveiron: i'm getting "main.cpp:82:70: error: macro "REG_MEDIA_HANDLER" passed 6 arguments, but takes just 5
[02:42:15] J-e-f-f-A: Paladine:
[02:42:18] J-e-f-f-A: (oops)
[02:42:19] WAR_CH|LD: i'm having lots of problems getting nvram_wakeup working thou. :)
[02:42:28] kury]: lirc_serial: auto-detected active high receiver
[02:42:28] kury]: lirc_dev: lirc_register_plugin: sample_rate: 0
[02:42:41] J-e-f-f-A: Paladine: yeah, but my old Dish PVR buffered everything too... It's the very nature of a PVR.
[02:42:43] Paladine: J-e-f-f-A, hehehe
[02:42:46] Fnc: when you do a scan for hd ota channels and get locked but end up with no tables... whats up with that???
[02:43:06] Paladine: J-e-f-f-A, yeah but it makes it pretty much impossible for me to browse the channels sensibly
[02:43:17] Paladine: because my stb OSD times out before I see it
[02:43:34] marmoset: does denoise not work with xvmc? when i switch the mpeg2 decoder to xvmc, the picture looks just like if I disable the denoise stuff. I can't find anything saying that they don't work together tho.
[02:43:38] Paladine: and it uses a lot of HD space
[02:43:48] J-e-f-f-A: Paladine: Then you need to get that blaster working, and use the guide in mythtv, da*n it!!!!
[02:43:52] Paladine: I watch LiveTV pretty much most of the time
[02:44:09] J-e-f-f-A: Paladine: Then why are you bothering with myth?!?  ;-)
[02:44:28] Paladine: cos I wanna be able to record and schedule stuff when I am not at my PC
[02:44:40] Anduin: kury]: and your serial params are reasonable?
[02:44:49] Paladine: and also if I am watching something interesting hit the R button and record it
[02:44:57] kury]: Anduin, reasonable how?
[02:45:04] Paladine: plus mythgallery and mythmusic rock
[02:45:17] J-e-f-f-A: Paladine: Yeah, but if you're not buffering it to disk, then the "R" trick doesn't work...
[02:45:40] Fnc: mythmusic does not rock
[02:45:42] Paladine: J-e-f-f-A, but it records literally everything, whetherI want it to or not
[02:45:47] fiveiron: where does mythgallery get installed?
[02:45:49] Anduin: kury]: as in setseial -a /dev/ttySx seems good?
[02:45:49] Paladine: R shoudl start recording
[02:45:58] GreyFoxx: Paladine: That's the purpost of a DVR
[02:46:13] GreyFoxx: To be able to pause and rewind livetv along with recordings and such
[02:46:14] Paladine: I am using about 40GB of HD on livetv stuff that I have no intention of keeping :p
[02:46:18] J-e-f-f-A: Paladine: So does my DishPlayer PVR ... It takes 5 secs to change a channel on my DP7200...
[02:46:41] GreyFoxx: Paladine: So? It will get auto expired anyway
[02:46:44] J-e-f-f-A: Paladine: But that's the first to be cleaned up if it needs space, and auto expires too...
[02:46:56] Paladine: I just think an option for real LiveTV (as in no buffering) would be a really useful option
[02:47:09] GreyFoxx: Paladine: You using a PVR card ?
[02:47:11] fiveiron: Paladine, there is an option for that
[02:47:22] kury]: Anduin yup.. all is good there..
[02:47:24] fiveiron: take the cable out of your DVR and put it in your TV.
[02:47:38] J-e-f-f-A: fiveiron: hehe — that was good!  ;-)
[02:48:00] Paladine: five, the reason I am using a cardin my PC is because I don't want a tv in my office taking up all that space when I have two huge honking 21" monitors
[02:48:20] GreyFoxx: Paladine: if you REALLY REALLY must have non buffered, non recorded livetv, then buy a cheap btxxx card, and add a menu item to call xawtv when you want to watch "livetv"
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[02:48:34] fiveiron: dangit
[02:48:41] Paladine: Grey, I already setup vlc for passthrough mode in myth
[02:48:43] fiveiron: all i frigging want to do is get mythgallery working
[02:48:50] fiveiron: and the repository file doesn't work
[02:48:54] J-e-f-f-A: Paladine: Seriously though — that's one of the things you have to live with with a pvr. Just like you can't change channels on a sattelite box in 1/10th of a second like you could on analog cable. It has to buffer the compressed signal a little before it can decode and display it...
[02:48:57] GreyFoxx: Paladine: So? That's irrelevant to what I said
[02:49:04] House: anyone know how i can convert .nuv files on a mac?
[02:49:08] Paladine: GreyFoxx, no it is exactly the same
[02:49:08] GreyFoxx: If you WANT non buffered livetv using a card and app designed to do that
[02:49:14] fiveiron: it says its installed, and there are files in /usr/share/mythtv/i18n, but i have no idea how to get it to work
[02:49:22] fiveiron: nothing shows up in my frontend
[02:49:28] Paladine: setting up xawtv in passthrough is no different to setting up vlc in passthrough
[02:49:32] GreyFoxx: Many people using acheap btxxx card for "livetv" when they play games through it
[02:49:34] Paladine: just a different app
[02:49:57] Paladine: but I like to have my tv embdded into mythfrontend, not running in a seperate window
[02:49:59] GreyFoxx: Your pvr card still has a buffer on it,not it's still delayed bya second
[02:50:37] Paladine: I don't have a buffer using svideo in
[02:50:38] GreyFoxx: Paladine: Just tell xawtv to run fullscreen (or over top) of the myth menu :)
[02:50:45] GreyFoxx: Paladine: The card has a buffer
[02:51:00] Paladine: I am telling you there is no delay when I view tv in vlc
[02:51:08] GreyFoxx: It's not nearly as long adelay as myth, but it is there
[02:51:19] Paladine: I press my remote and the OSD appears immediately
[02:51:21] GreyFoxx: The card couldn't function if it didn;t
[02:51:29] J-e-f-f-A: House: Try renaming it to .mpg and see if it works fine, especially if it was created in mpeg2 format.
[02:51:30] House: anyone know how i can convert .nuv files on a mac?
[02:51:40] House: whoops
[02:51:47] House: didnt mean to send that again
[02:51:54] GreyFoxx: House: hehe
[02:52:02] Paladine: I am not complaining I love myth, I just think it is short sited to not have the feature instead of forcing me to use yet another app just to watch LiveTV
[02:52:24] GreyFoxx: Paladine: You are certainly entitled to your opinion :)
[02:52:56] Paladine: and I don't run myth in full screen
[02:52:57] GreyFoxx: And I can pretty much guarantee thatyou will never seen a built in function to not have buffered livetv in myth so your best bet is to call external apps if you require it
[02:53:12] House: J-e-f-f-A: that doesnt seem to work... and it was created in mpeg2 format
[02:53:17] Paladine: myth uses 1/8th of my desktop space
[02:53:43] Paladine: actually less
[02:53:57] Paladine: I have myth running in 720x576 on a 3200x1200 display
[02:54:34] GreyFoxx: *shrug*
[02:54:45] Paladine: J-e-f-f-A, I will set the blaster up next time I reboot
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[02:55:01] Paladine: Ihave way too much stuff going on on my machine at the moment to reboot
[02:55:11] armand: myth runs like crap in vmware
[02:55:19] armand: on an amd 3200 xp with 1gig of ram anyways
[02:55:38] GreyFoxx: armand: I run it on my laptop with little problem
[02:55:48] GreyFoxx: P4 1.7Ghz machine with 1.5G of ram
[02:56:02] Paladine: I thought vmware didn't support video overlay?
[02:56:03] armand: you must be doing some extra special...
[02:56:10] armand: s/some/something
[02:56:14] GreyFoxx: armand: not that I'm aware of
[02:56:37] GreyFoxx: Paladine: Yeah, No XV
[02:56:37] armand: greyfoxx: which distro are you useing? what window manager? are you doing nptl?
[02:57:05] GreyFoxx: armand: Slackware, IceWM, and no clue :)
[02:57:16] GreyFoxx: Nothing I installed or did
[02:57:23] armand: hrrmmm
[02:57:24] J-e-f-f-A: House: Well, if written by a Hauppauge PVR card, the .nuv is really just a .mpg  — But I guess that's not always the case with other sources... Did you find anything googling?
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[02:57:31] armand: are you useing 0.20 or svn
[02:57:35] armand: or older
[02:57:49] GreyFoxx: armand: I've been using it since 0.17 up to now
[02:58:01] armand: greyfoxx: can i msg you
[02:58:01] GreyFoxx: I even do it with OpenBSD
[02:58:11] GreyFoxx: I prefer to keep everything in one screen :)
[02:58:27] armand: ok. this might sound weird, but would you be willing to rip out your password file and send me the dsk? lol
[02:58:28] GreyFoxx: http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/mythtv-openbsdvm-x11.jpg
[02:58:35] GreyFoxx: Myth running on OpenBSD in vmware
[02:58:42] J-e-f-f-A: House: Maybe you could just use vlc on the mac to play the .nuv file? (I think it plays .nuv files fine)
[02:58:56] GreyFoxx: armand: It's my dev vmware images,and they are not small :)
[02:59:03] GreyFoxx: I do half of my coding in them :)
[02:59:17] Krazylegz: GreyFoxx: You crazy.
[02:59:20] armand: well hrm. i will go back to asking questions to narrow down some stuff hehe
[02:59:23] Fnc: vmware huh
[02:59:29] GreyFoxx: vmware rocks
[02:59:38] Fnc: so whats 216.83.31.88
[02:59:40] armand: greyfoxx: what version of vmware do you use? how much ram do you allocate?
[02:59:45] House: J-e-f-f-A: well the problem is, i want to burn the file to a dvd, but the only burner is here in my mac
[02:59:51] GreyFoxx: Fnc: phaze.org whichI'm ircing from
[02:59:51] Paladine: yeah they made a great decision in making vmware server free
[03:00:14] GreyFoxx: armand: default ram(256), currently workstation 5.0
[03:00:24] Paladine: specially considering how much their commercial "versions" cost
[03:00:41] armand: well i wonder why myth runs so ungodly slow for me
[03:00:46] armand: fullscreen or windows
[03:00:49] Paladine: I have a lot of respect for vmware
[03:00:50] armand: er windowed
[03:00:53] Paladine: great app
[03:01:30] armand: im running 5.2, 256 as well, ubuntu, but gnome
[03:01:43] GreyFoxx: gnome is a pig
[03:01:43] armand: i will try stripping out all the bs and toss in fluxbox or something
[03:01:45] armand: yeah
[03:01:50] GreyFoxx: just like kde
[03:01:59] armand: yup. didnt think it would make that big a difference though
[03:01:59] Paladine: greyfox, you still running workstation? why no vmware server?
[03:02:16] GreyFoxx: Paladine: I don't believe in fscking with what works :)
[03:02:23] GreyFoxx: Next time I reinstall I'll install server :)
[03:02:46] GreyFoxx: I use vmware server on many machines at work
[03:02:54] J-e-f-f-A: House: Found this via google: http://davidandkiko.com/2005/07/31/mythtv-nuv-mpg-and-dvd/
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[03:04:15] J-e-f-f-A: House: So maybe the best bet is to master the DVD ISO on Myth (with MythBurn[.19] or MythArchive[.20]), then burn it from your mac...
[03:04:41] Paladine: J-e-f-f-A, how does mythburn work? does it just burn the mpegs straight to disc or does it author a dvd?
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[03:05:41] J-e-f-f-A: Paladine: It authors a DVD. On my backend (Dual PIII 866 w/512mb ram), it takes about 1/2 hour to master a dvd of 2 hrs of programming, and another 10 mins to burn...
[03:06:07] Paladine: an mytharchive does the same?
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[03:06:38] Paladine: I need to install that then
[03:06:51] fiveiron: any one know where to buy a good cheap IR receiver?
[03:06:52] J-e-f-f-A: Paladine: I believe so — although it's got alot more features from what I hear, and is available via the frontend too I think... (Mythburn is only via mythweb interface)
[03:06:57] Paladine: I need to find something for editing the mpegs first though
[03:07:20] Paladine: to trim off the beginning and end of the streams
[03:07:26] hjohnson: hey, anyone know how good Myth is with recording radio?
[03:07:37] Paladine: since i always set to record a few minutes early
[03:07:45] J-e-f-f-A: Paladine: If you've got a winblows box, TMPGEnc MPEG Editor is great... I don't know what's available for linux yet...
[03:08:10] Paladine: andinevitably the times on the t schedule are never exact so you get a lot of leading and trailing video that is not actually the program you want recorded
[03:08:13] GreyFoxx: Paladine: Myth will do that, MPEG2->MPEG2 lossless transcoding
[03:08:26] GreyFoxx: it will just cut out the cutlist
[03:08:39] Paladine: greyfoxx, with a GUI ?
[03:08:42] GreyFoxx: Yup
[03:08:49] GreyFoxx: Just set the cutlist in myth
[03:09:03] Paladine: in regular myth or mytharchive?
[03:09:04] GreyFoxx: then tell it to transcode using that transcoding profile
[03:09:31] GreyFoxx: normaly myth
[03:09:31] Paladine: I will have to look into that
[03:09:42] Paladine: where abouts are those features in mythfrontend? post recordingtools?
[03:10:22] GreyFoxx: hit E while in playbackand it brings up the cutlist editor
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[03:10:52] GreyFoxx: you can kick off the transcoding during playback or from the Watch recordings screen
[03:11:16] Paladine: k am in there now, how do Iset a cutpoint?
[03:11:27] GreyFoxx: By reading the Myth docs
[03:11:27] Paladine: Ihave the slider set to the beginning of the show
[03:11:31] Paladine: :p
[03:11:35] GreyFoxx: including keys.txt
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[03:12:10] Paladine: I guess I can cut out commercials with that too?
[03:12:50] Paladine: I still can't find this mysterious keys.txt
[03:12:54] ** J-e-f-f-A is taking notes too ;-) **
[03:13:07] fiveiron: grrr
[03:13:17] fiveiron: someone has to know how to get mythgallery working on ubuntu
[03:13:17] GreyFoxx: Paladine: It comes with the source. I have no idea if packages include it
[03:13:18] J-e-f-f-A: Paladine: On my system it's in: /usr/share/doc/mythtv-0.19/keys.txt
[03:13:26] GreyFoxx: and it's on the mythtv.org site
[03:13:30] GreyFoxx: or it's contents are
[03:13:30] Paladine: and there is no mention of E in http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-11.html#ss11.1 under "watching TV or a Recording"
[03:14:14] GreyFoxx: Paladine: Scroll down
[03:14:25] GreyFoxx: "Watching a Recording only" item 5
[03:15:01] fiveiron: i have mythgallery installed, but none of the menu settings are appearing... anyone know how to solve this?
[03:15:28] Paladine: ah right I have itnow thanks
[03:15:34] Paladine: learnsomething new everyday :)
[03:15:43] GreyFoxx: heh :)
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[03:18:25] fiveiron: *sigh*
[03:18:35] fiveiron: is there a forum somewhere that I can ask this question
[03:18:36] fiveiron: ?
[03:18:55] GreyFoxx: the mythtv-users mailling list
[03:19:09] Paladine: GreyFoxx, so once I set my cut points, I press X to queue it to transcode?
[03:19:28] GreyFoxx: Paladine: There is also a menu option to pick the transcoding profile from the Menu Ibelieve
[03:19:46] GreyFoxx: You have to have gone in and made sure you setup your transcoding profile and set it to lossless transcoding
[03:20:03] Paladine: so it will save these cut points if Ijust hit escape and go back into mythfrontend?
[03:20:10] GreyFoxx: yup
[03:20:32] fiveiron: is there a way to manual edit the frequency a certain channel is tuned in at?
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[03:20:58] GreyFoxx: fiveiron: Only way I can think of offhand is to edit the channel info from mythtv-setup
[03:21:15] fiveiron: are the freq's stored in the database tho?
[03:21:19] word: 2006-09–21 17:05:45.180 EntryToProgram(0@Wed Dec 31 17:00:00 1969) failed to get pginfo – get that error when switching to live tv :-/
[03:21:32] Paladine: where do I find the transcoding profile settings?
[03:21:35] GreyFoxx: fiveiron: If you put one in the editor it will be
[03:21:48] GreyFoxx: Paladine: Are you keyboard impaired?
[03:21:52] GreyFoxx: Go , explore, learn :)
[03:22:06] Paladine: no I just don't see the option :p
[03:22:21] GreyFoxx: It might be under Recording Profiles
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[03:24:36] Paladine: k I think I am doing it
[03:25:35] Paladine: Greyfox, isit possible to split a recording as well? cos I have a couple of recordings which are "double bills" that I just recorded as 1 file and would like to split it into the two seperate episodes
[03:26:01] GreyFoxx: nope, nothing in myth to do that that I'm aware of
[03:26:14] Paladine: damn thats a shame
[03:26:24] Paladine: maybe a worthwhile feature request :)
[03:26:34] Paladine: wow that transcode was fast
[03:26:57] GreyFoxx: it's not actually reencoding, just chopping and updating timestamps
[03:27:03] Paladine: yeah
[03:27:24] Paladine: took 17 seconds to trim the beginning and end :)
[03:29:28] ** J-e-f-f-A takes notes!  ;-) **
[03:29:56] Paladine: it is actually a damn nice feature those cut points for cleaning up recordings before using mytharchive
[03:30:31] J-e-f-f-A: GreyFoxx, Paladine: Does it take the commercial flag points as a default?
[03:30:44] GreyFoxx: yup
[03:30:48] Paladine: I saw an option for commercial flag points
[03:31:06] Paladine: but I don't have any commercials in these particular recordings
[03:31:07] GreyFoxx: Actually yeah, you go into edit mode, then press a key to "load" the commercial points
[03:31:21] J-e-f-f-A: GreyFoxx: Awesome. Now if the commercial flagging was just a tad bit more accurate... I'd set it up to automatically chop em...
[03:32:50] Paladine: no way to make it cut between two cut points?
[03:32:59] GreyFoxx: huh?
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[03:33:37] Paladine: sok got it
[03:33:54] Paladine: set it to delete after a cut point, then set new cut point and set it to delete before
[03:33:57] J-e-f-f-A: Actually, it's pretty accurate. The only thing it consistently goofs up on (and I can understand why) is the end of "Home Improvement" — they go to a commercial, then come back with a 1-minute clip to end the show, then 30 seconds of bloopers and credits. Myth always assumes that's part of the last commercial and ends playback at that point... :-(
[03:34:05] Paladine: and it will remove the stuff in between the two
[03:37:12] Paladine: this is a little worrying though
[03:37:17] Paladine: 2006-09–22 04:37:08.938 JobQueue: Transcode Errored: New Yankee Workshop (Manual Record) "Sat Sep 16 07:30:00 2006": (High Quality)
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[03:38:46] fiveiron: i LOVE the new yankee workshop
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[03:39:08] Paladine: one of my favourite shows
[03:39:26] Paladine: and pretty much my main reason for installing myth so I can archive the shows for future use
[03:40:19] J-e-f-f-A: Paladine: I prefer "New Red Socks Workshop"  ;-) Just kidding — I like New Yankee Workshop too, but being from the Boston area I couldn't resist! ;-)
[03:40:34] Paladine: hehehe
[03:40:38] fiveiron: ha
[03:40:39] Paladine: I will play with this more tomorrow
[03:40:46] Paladine: but for now I am installing mytharchive :)
[03:41:02] J-e-f-f-A: Paladine: And setup your blaster!!!
[03:41:13] Paladine: I don't see mytharchive in the documentation
[03:41:37] J-e-f-f-A: Paladine: Be sure to check the output with a camcorder or digital camera to be sure the ir led is transmitting — you can't see it with your human eyes... ;-)
[03:42:51] Paladine: are there any installation instructions for mytharchive?
[03:43:49] Paladine: so found them in the mytharchive directory in the plugins
[03:44:00] Paladine: just not in the wiki documentation
[03:44:43] WAR_CH|LD: can anyone else not go to http://cvs.sourceforge.net??
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[03:47:42] J-e-f-f-A: WAR_CH|LD: timeout.... so it appears to be down atm...
[03:48:41] ** J-e-f-f-A is going to bed... See ya guys later... **
[03:49:48] WAR_CH|LD: thanks
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[03:56:22] Paladine: is there a safe way to close mythbackend without just using kill PID
[03:57:15] GreyFoxx: That is the safe way
[03:57:56] GreyFoxx: assuming you aren't doing a kill -9
[03:58:04] Paladine: no just killing the pid
[03:58:27] GreyFoxx: that's fine
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[04:01:01] fiveiron: hmm... thats weird... guess I'll have to just manually edit some frequencies
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[04:05:23] Paladine: hmmm no ubuntu package for tcrequant
[04:05:43] monkeypet: I hate packages, they always seem to cause dependency hell!
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[04:06:40] Ediehow: anyone around using dishnetwork w/myth?
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[04:08:58] Paladine: ah found it, it is in a package called "transcode"
[04:09:17] Paladine: my mythfrontend menu grows more and more each days :)
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[04:10:46] Paladine: now running mythtv, mythgallery, mythmusic and mytharchive :)
[04:11:04] fiveiron: wish i could get those working
[04:11:06] fiveiron: :-(
[04:11:31] Paladine: what you having problems with?
[04:11:41] Paladine: the plugins I have found are incredibly easy to install
[04:12:21] fiveiron: well I've installed the plugins through ubuntu's repositories... but they arent in my menus
[04:12:34] Paladine: why you installed them from the repo?
[04:12:41] fiveiron: ?
[04:12:46] fiveiron: easy?
[04:12:52] Paladine: all the plugins are in ~/mythplugins
[04:12:58] Paladine: or they are on my build
[04:13:08] fiveiron: right, you installed from source
[04:13:21] Paladine: I didn't have to use repos for anything apart from dependencies
[04:13:30] Paladine: yeah I did an svn checkout
[04:13:39] fiveiron: maybe i'll just try that
[04:13:56] Paladine: its a piece of cake installing the plugins from the svn checkout
[04:14:47] Paladine: when you build mythtv from svn and do your make install it put all the plugins in ~/mythplugins
[04:15:13] Paladine: then just follow the docs on the mythtv website for installing the individual plugins
[04:15:17] Paladine: mythgallery rocks
[04:15:32] Paladine: mythmusic is damn fine too
[04:15:40] Paladine: and I am sure mytharchive is gonna rock
[04:15:56] Paladine: but I won't check it out til tomorrow
[04:16:03] sigger_: Paladine: you use mythmusic before .20?
[04:16:16] Paladine: no I never used myth before .20 hehe
[04:16:20] sigger_: ah
[04:17:17] Paladine: I just wish Ihad like 5k spare so i could hook the whole house up on a myth network
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[04:19:40] Paladine: we will be moving to a housein the country once I finish my postgrad studies
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[04:19:59] Paladine: at which point I will setup the new house on a full myth network
[04:20:05] Paladine: even the kitchen
[04:20:20] sigger_: heh, I've got two broken lappys as frontends, my low power EPIA as another and an old PC as fileserver/backend
[04:20:27] GreyFoxx: That's theone room I haven't put anything in. No TV in there heh
[04:20:45] Paladine: well I wanna set the whole house up with LCD screens and lose the crt tv's
[04:21:01] Paladine: thats where the cost comes in
[04:21:11] sigger_: new plasma to arrive in two weeks will be mounted on articulating arm so it can be seen easily from kitchen
[04:21:28] Paladine: would like a 40" LCD monitor in the lounge and a 32" LCD monitor in our bedroom
[04:21:47] sigger_: oh and GreyFoxx: trying to grab an msntv2 to add one of those to the mix
[04:21:48] Paladine: then a 20" LCD in our son's bedroom
[04:21:56] Paladine: and a laptop in the kitchen
[04:22:06] GreyFoxx: sigger_: Hehe
[04:22:34] sigger_: I may be asking for trouble by attempting the msntv2. plus they keep running away on me pricewise
[04:22:43] GreyFoxx: I just started messing with a new version of the Intel embedded driver thatsupposedly supports OpenGL. If it works we might be able to use the GL painter and glvsync too which will be a plus
[04:22:44] Paladine: and I want 4 20" LCDs in my office
[04:22:59] GreyFoxx: sigger_: I got a couple good auctions when I got mine
[04:23:01] sigger_: are there video issues with it now?
[04:23:07] GreyFoxx: 3 of them for $27USD
[04:23:09] sigger_: yeah I think peoplehave caught on
[04:23:19] sigger_: ooh, wanna sell one?
[04:23:21] GreyFoxx: sigger_: Nope, no issues,just better
[04:23:22] GreyFoxx: heh no
[04:23:25] GreyFoxx: all in use :)
[04:23:33] sigger_: ah well enjoy :D
[04:23:41] ** GreyFoxx has 4 of them on the go **
[04:24:28] sigger_: what players you use on those? use xine at all?
[04:24:40] Paladine: whats msntv2?
[04:24:42] GreyFoxx: just myth and the internal player on them all
[04:24:55] GreyFoxx: Paladine: a settop box that was hackedto run linux
[04:24:59] GreyFoxx: www.toc2rta.com
[04:25:08] sigger_: I have a bunch of .iso's of kid videos and haven't upgraded to .20 yet
[04:25:17] GreyFoxx: I wrote an APP to enable the video out when using the IEGD driver for it
[04:25:34] sigger_: you guys get the VGA out?
[04:25:43] GreyFoxx: I have no interest in that
[04:26:05] GreyFoxx: but overneith thinks he has it,just waiting for a couple parts in themail as of 2 days ago
[04:26:13] Paladine: greyfox, using them for mythfrontend boxes?
[04:26:18] GreyFoxx: Paladine: yup
[04:26:33] GreyFoxx: netbooting. Ihave a kernel on the internal cf card, and it nfs mounts the filesystem from my master backend
[04:26:53] sigger_: I'd like to try to replace one of my craptops with a msntv2
[04:27:14] GreyFoxx: Paladine: same processor as an xbox, and twice the ram
[04:27:19] monkeypet: sigger_: You run linux on the msntv2?
[04:27:35] GreyFoxx: 2usb2 ports, 100mbit ethernet, etc etc
[04:27:50] sigger_: no GreyFoxx does. I'm still trying to get my first one. I'm being a real tightass price-wise for some reason
[04:27:51] GreyFoxx: monkeypet: I do,I don;t think he has one yet
[04:28:43] GreyFoxx: Theyare dead silent too, no moving fans or anythingso they make nice quiet machines
[04:30:06] sigger_: oh that reminds me. noticed that one of my craptop frontends keeps accessign the HD maybe once every 5 seconds. it doesn't record anything. i don't even have a tuner card within the lan. anyone know why/
[04:30:28] sigger_: its annoying cause it happens even when there's no activity
[04:30:55] Paladine: GreyFoxx, how do you get everything on a 64MB cf card?
[04:31:04] Paladine: how much space does mythfrontend need?
[04:31:17] GreyFoxx: Paladine: I don't. Like I said I just have the kernel on it, it nfs mounts it's filesystem
[04:31:27] GreyFoxx: but many others have full installs on the cf card
[04:31:40] Paladine: ahh praise be to nfs :)
[04:32:02] GreyFoxx: At one time I booted my frontends off a usb stick whichtook up 156meg of space for everything
[04:32:06] Paladine: you have lirc working on them too?
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[04:32:29] GreyFoxx: I don't use lirc, not need for it
[04:32:51] sigger_: why no lirc?
[04:33:13] GreyFoxx: Cause I don't needit? I just trained some cheap learning IR remotesto match the IR keyboard codes
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[04:33:28] sigger_: that would do it'
[04:33:57] monkeypet: GreyFoxx: You can get a cheapo IR keyboard for like less than $20 now.
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[04:34:17] sigger_: IR keyboard => WAF--
[04:34:21] GreyFoxx: monkeypet: All ofthe msntv's come with an IR keyboard, so I didn't needto buy any :)
[04:36:36] GreyFoxx: for me though, the main benefit is the wife longer complains about the sound of a pc based frontend in the bedroom heh
[04:39:42] Anduin: I wish they would release a version that worked with recent xorg though (of IEGD)
[04:40:08] Paladine: iegd?
[04:40:14] GreyFoxx: Slackware 10.2 which is what I'm running still uses 6.8.2 so it works for me
[04:40:34] GreyFoxx: Paladine: the intel embedded driver used on the msntv2 s and s100's
[04:40:51] Paladine: ahh
[04:41:13] GreyFoxx: Anduin: I've started building a new image using IEGD 5.1 which they apparently put on atthe end of June. Still only up to xorg 6.8 though
[04:41:53] GreyFoxx: I fixed the kernel patch to run on 2.6.16.20 butnow I gotta update their drm driver too
[04:42:13] GreyFoxx: but I think what I really gotta do now is go to bed.
[04:42:15] GreyFoxx: Night :)
[04:42:31] Paladine: night
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[04:42:52] Paladine: I heard there was a mythplugin web browser too
[04:43:05] Paladine: that true?
[04:43:09] Anduin: GreyFoxx: Yeah by the time I was downloading it 5.1 was out so I started looking at that version first. Some day I'll actually get the fb working right and I'll care a little less (or go to a distro with an old enough X)
[04:43:12] sigger_: night GreyFoxx
[04:43:38] sigger_: Paladine: yes
[04:44:15] Paladine: is it feature rich? (javascript, activex etc)?
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[04:44:29] sigger_: dunno
[04:46:24] Paladine: give it another year or 2 and mythOS will be here hehehe
[04:47:11] Paladine: a linux distro entirely controlled by mythfrontend
[04:47:24] Paladine: would be pretty awesome
[04:48:02] Paladine: just add external programlaunch commands into tvmenu.xml
[04:48:48] degreseven: i just upgraded to .20 & now all the menus flicker really badly. how can i fix that?
[04:49:37] monkeypet: degreseven: Did you try to disable opengl?
[04:49:57] degreseven: monkeypet, no, should i?
[04:52:50] monkeypet: what does myth do with tk?
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[04:55:30] bsm117531: Can someone help me decode this:
[04:55:33] degreseven: hm, messing with opengl seemed to fix the flicker, thanks =)...now how do i increase the menu font size? the font settings don't change it...
[04:55:33] bsm117531: Duplicate entry '2022-2006-10–02 07:00:00–0' for key 1
[04:55:39] bsm117531: on upgrading to 0.20
[04:56:11] bsm117531: 2006-09–21 21:52:39.695 Upgrading to schema version 1136
[04:56:12] bsm117531: 2006-09–21 21:52:40.578 MSqlQuery: ALTER TABLE program ADD listingsource INT NOT NULL default '0';
[04:56:12] bsm117531: 2006-09–21 21:52:40.639 DB Error (Performing database upgrade):
[04:56:12] bsm117531: Query was: ALTER TABLE program ADD listingsource INT NOT NULL default '0';
[04:56:12] bsm117531: Error was: Driver error was [2/1062]:
[04:56:12] monkeypet: degreseven: which menu?
[04:56:12] bsm117531: QMYSQL3: Unable to execute query
[04:56:14] bsm117531: Database error was:
[04:56:16] bsm117531: Duplicate entry '2022-2006-10–02 07:00:00–0' for key 1
[04:56:33] monkeypet: bsm117531: did you backup your db?
[04:56:37] degreseven: monkeypet, just the main mythfrontend menu, the font got much smaller when i upgraded to .20
[04:56:40] bsm117531: monkeypet: no
[04:56:50] bsm117531: monkeypet: how does one do that?
[04:57:17] monkeypet: bsm117531: read the mythtv.org docs about it. basically mysqldump ....
[04:57:30] bsm117531: Joy
[04:57:30] degreseven: bsm117531, mysqldump -u mythtv -pmythtv mythconverg -c > mythtv_backup.sql
[04:57:38] bsm117531: Well doesn't help me now...
[04:57:43] bsm117531: How could I delete this duplicate entry?
[04:57:48] ShockValue: do i want DRI enabled when running mythtv, or does it matter?
[04:58:01] monkeypet: bsm117531: I suggest you back it up first before you start mucking...
[04:58:07] bsm117531: ok
[04:59:34] bsm117531: mysqldump: Error 1030: Got error 127 from table handler when dumping table `oldrecorded` at row: 3315
[05:03:06] bsm117531: Any suggestions there?
[05:04:11] Dagmar: Demons.
[05:04:16] bsm117531: heh
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[05:04:26] Dagmar: You'll need a priest, and a washbasin capable of holding at least 20 gallons of holy water.
[05:04:37] Dagmar: Dunk the machine in it, while it's running, and the problems will go away.
[05:04:40] bsm117531: How can I go about finding the: Duplicate entry '2022-2006-10–02 07:00:00–0' for key 1
[05:04:41] bsm117531: and removing it?
[05:04:53] ** bsm117531 is a priest. **
[05:04:56] word: Hmm when you add tuners on slave backends..should those tuners show up on the slaves tuner list? or are just the video sources 'global' ?
[05:05:09] bsm117531: doesn't help ;)
[05:05:20] Dagmar: Well, you could _try_ mysqldbdump, but that would be really slow to search through (this having been said, I've done it twice now. heh)
[05:05:46] bsm117531: There's nothing terribly important in this DB. I'm willing to nuke it.
[05:06:01] bsm117531: I'd lose about 3 days of the Simpsons. Big loss...
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[05:07:01] degreseven: Dagmar, could he not search the file made by mysqldbdump for the entry? i don't know anything about mysql =P
[05:07:10] Dagmar: Yes, he could.
[05:07:24] Dagmar: However, it could potentially mean searching a file _many_ megabytes in size.
[05:07:48] Dagmar: I haven't done that since I imported a buncha music that jacked my db up past the 75Mb point
[05:08:01] degreseven: ah
[05:08:15] degreseven: i have a relatively small db i guess
[05:08:40] RyeBrye2: Anyone know why QTParted would just refuse to ever apply any changes for me? I'm booting with a Knoppix 5.0 live CD to try to resize a windows partition and reformat another drive to get ready for a knoppmyth install... but I can't get the drives to play nice
[05:09:02] Dagmar: You can't let Knoppix mount any partitions or use the disk as swap
[05:09:29] RyeBrye2: I unmounted the drives, but I think it mounted them by default
[05:09:33] bsm117531: It doesn't appear to be in there.
[05:09:50] bsm117531: There are many entries for that date and time, but the "2022" that preceeds it doesn't appear with them.
[05:10:04] RyeBrye2: Dagmar: do I need to reboot and use a command line argument to prevent it from mounting the devices?
[05:10:15] Dagmar: Dunno. I don't use it anymore.
[05:10:29] Dagmar: I just use parted directly. Less trouble for me.
[05:11:01] RyeBrye2: would parted work if QTparted wont?
[05:12:45] Dagmar: Doubtful, but at least when I'm using GNU parted directly I don't have to worry about what things the shiny, candy-like interface might be hiding from me
[05:13:22] Dagmar: For all we know, you could be trying something that's impossible, and ignoring or missing a dialog box telling you so.
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[05:13:51] RyeBrye2: good point...
[05:14:16] bsm117531: Would mysqlcheck -r be a good idea here?
[05:14:33] Dagmar: I don't think it could hurt
[05:14:53] bsm117531: it sure found a lot of errors.
[05:15:36] Dagmar: YIKES
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[05:16:14] bsm117531: around 1000 duplicate records, and some other errors.
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[05:16:40] Dagmar: I actually got so paranoid about it as to mod my rc scripts to make a file called "DB_MOUNTED" which it will delete after it's successfully shut down the DB, so if it's there when I'm trying to start up, the first thing it does is run a repair and optimize on everything
[05:18:40] degreseven: this is probably a stupid question (again, i'm a newbie when it comes to mysql), but why is losing the database so terrible? if the media files are still there can you not rebuild it?
[05:19:28] monkeypet: degreseven: yeah, but that would be a pain!
[05:19:50] degreseven: monkeypet, how big a pain?
[05:21:36] sphing: are there plans to attemp to connect to the 360?
[05:23:10] monkeypet: degreseven: why do you ask??
[05:23:43] monkeypet: degreseven: if you don't care about your db, just delete it and save the files to play in mythvideo, so you don't need the program information.
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[05:24:20] Dagmar: Splitters!
[05:24:25] degreseven: lol
[05:25:37] degreseven: monkeypet, i was just wondering, from what i've read it just seems that a lot of people are very concerned about losing their dbs. i was just wondering if db losses were common, and if losing a db was a big deal.
[05:26:18] degreseven: monkeypet, some people seem to talk about it as if losing their db would hose their whole system & ruin their lives or something, lol
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[05:26:43] Dagmar: Some people have a lot of media cataloged
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[05:26:56] degreseven: maybe its just that i run gentoo & i'm used to breaking things & having to fix/rebuild them =P
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[05:27:06] Dagmar: I'd be losing a good four or five hours of work just re-shoehorning the CD's I've ripped into place
[05:27:10] RyeBrye2: Dagmar: Thanks a bunch for the tip on the unmounted partitions to get parted (or QTparted in my case) to work! – I booted my livecd with "knoppix nofstab noswap" and it just resized a partition for me... which is more than it would do before!
[05:27:23] Dagmar: Ding... Figured it was doing something like that
[05:27:28] degreseven: Dagmar, gotcha =)
[05:27:46] Dagmar: In every case except when you're going to screw around with partitions, mounting swap on the HD would be a good idea
[05:28:00] RyeBrye2: True
[05:28:08] monkeypet: degreseven: Well, my wife will KILL me if I lose the db....
[05:28:23] Dagmar: monkeypet: Got her soaps all filed and sorted?
[05:28:50] RyeBrye2: Does Knoppmyth's auto install partition a HD for you automatically, or do you have to do the manual install to tinker with that?
[05:28:54] degreseven: monkeypet, ah, 'nuff said =P
[05:29:14] Dagmar: My gf is cool with whatever I do, just as long as Family Guy gets recorded.
[05:29:19] Paladine: would I be correct in assuming you can use TVEXEC buttons in tvmenu.xml to launch any application?
[05:29:22] Dagmar: If I screw that up, it's a hanging offense.
[05:29:43] degreseven: lol, same here, but with The Office
[05:29:50] monkeypet: Dagmar: My wife has her craft shows. I was sleeping on the couch for 1 week when myth autoexpired her shows..
[05:29:59] Dagmar: Ohhh... Hahah!
[05:30:09] degreseven: lol
[05:30:41] degreseven: anyways back to begging for help because everythign went to hell when i upgraded =P
[05:30:58] Dagmar: Now that is weird.
[05:31:08] Dagmar: Upgrading usually doesn't mess anything up
[05:31:34] ShockValue: shoudl ripping a dvd to iso take 6 hours?
[05:32:03] ShockValue: ive never done it before, but that sure seems like an aweful long time
[05:32:33] RyeBrye2: rippign it to just an iso?
[05:32:36] degreseven: 1) picture quality from my tuner is now *terrible*, 2) mythweather seems to choose a random day to retrieve data for, it never matches current conditions, 3) mythweb won't let me record shows, 4) mythmusic sorts everything weird. songs have names like "0 – Killer Queen" instead of just "Killer Queen" under the "Queen" directory, 5) all the menus have very small font now
[05:32:39] ShockValue: yeah
[05:33:00] degreseven: lol, help with any of them would be appreciated =P
[05:33:12] RyeBrye2: degreseven – could be worse... you could have paid Microsoft money for that same feature set :P
[05:33:24] degreseven: RyeBrye, oh god, thats true....
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[05:33:56] degreseven: RyeBrye, and my list really would be the list of features, rather than list of bugs
[05:34:04] RyeBrye2: yeah, true
[05:34:10] RyeBrye2: "Where do you want weather from today?"
[05:34:14] robbins876: how in the hell do i disable my screensaver while myth is running?
[05:34:35] Captain_Murdoch: Paladine, use EXEC for that, instead of EXECTV
[05:34:41] Paladine: cheers man
[05:34:42] degreseven: robbins876, what wm are you using?
[05:34:47] robbins876: wm?
[05:34:51] RyeBrye2: window manager
[05:34:52] monkeypet: degreseven: did you try deleting your capture card and recreating it?
[05:34:54] robbins876: KDE
[05:34:58] degreseven: gnome, kde, fluxbox, etc....
[05:35:01] degreseven: oh
[05:35:05] degreseven: thats the one i dont know about lol
[05:35:10] degreseven: monkeypet, no, i'll do that
[05:35:14] Paladine: just thinking of how I could set it up in the kitchen for things like adding to our shopping list (we do our grocery shopping online) etc :)
[05:35:44] RyeBrye2: Paladine: You grocery shop online? where do you live?
[05:35:48] degreseven: monkeypet, i havent really tried anything at this point. this is the first major upgrade i've done since i set the box up. i just upgraded & went "wtf's going on everywhere?"
[05:35:53] Paladine: RyeBrye, UK
[05:36:04] RyeBrye2: oh... interesting
[05:36:05] robbins876: RyeBrye> Any ideas about that screensaver issue?
[05:36:11] ** RyeBrye2 is a n00b **
[05:36:28] RyeBrye2: Are you just looking to turn it off when you are in Myth?
[05:36:32] robbins876: yeah
[05:36:44] degreseven: robbins876, is it an actual screensaver, or is the screen just going blank? 'xset s off' works for me, but i dont have an actual screensaver program installed
[05:36:56] robbins876: it's an actual screensaver
[05:37:11] robbins876: and it didn't used to come on during myth, but it is tonight
[05:37:11] RyeBrye2: my GUESSSS which isn't really much of a guess – is to turn on some kind of "no sleep corner" in your screensaver program and put the mouse there before you launch myth... since myth doesn't use the mouse
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[05:37:13] robbins876: i don't know why
[05:37:15] RyeBrye2: but that's a half-assed guess
[05:37:19] RyeBrye2: based on no experience
[05:37:23] degreseven: robbins876, can't you just turn it off in the kde control panel?
[05:37:32] robbins876: i could, but that doesn't make much sense
[05:37:35] Dagmar: Ah... KDE is teh evil.
[05:37:43] robbins876: i would think that there is a way to disable the screensaver when myth launches
[05:37:44] robbins876: no?
[05:37:48] RyeBrye2: Hm
[05:37:51] RyeBrye2: maybe
[05:38:02] ** RyeBrye2 knows next to nothing **
[05:38:16] degreseven: ooh, i know
[05:38:33] bsm117531: thanks all
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[05:38:42] degreseven: make a cron job that runs every 5 mins & checks to see if myth is running. if it is disable the screensaver, otherwise make sure it's running
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[05:39:50] robbins876: wow... that sounds intense
[05:40:19] monkeypet: robbins876: I think my xbox mythfrontend does that. When I am not watching a show, the screen goes black.
[05:40:30] Paladine: Captain_Murdoch, thats pretty cool, meansI could setup a video intercom system too which the missus can access straight from myth if she needs to ask me something and I am in my office :)
[05:40:47] degreseven: is there a way to disable the arwork thing in mythvideo? i dont have any artwork....
[05:41:26] ShockValue: isnt there a mode that just shows a list with no art?
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[05:41:51] degreseven: i dont know, if there is I couldn't find it
[05:42:44] degreseven: plus, mythweb gives me a big error about not being able to find any artwork when i try to view a list of videos
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[05:43:34] monkeypet: degreseven: what is your distribution?
[05:43:44] Paladine: Captain_Murdoch, so in theory, I could setup a seperate menu for new features with a button to launch the external app and then another button to kill the process using EXEC?
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[05:47:55] RyeBrye3: wops
[05:47:58] RyeBrye3: how embarassing
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[06:06:01] RyeBrye3: is knoppmyth R5D1 runnign 0.19 or 0.20?
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[06:11:29] Paladine: which is the most relevant list to post feature requests to?
[06:12:52] ** RyeBrye3 has no clue... but didn't want to leave yo hanging **
[06:14:00] Paladine: I'd really like to see a plugin for myth which serves as a LAN based video intercom
[06:14:12] RyeBrye3: hmm
[06:14:17] RyeBrye3: two way video chat?
[06:14:20] monkeypet: Paladine: that is a cool idea.
[06:14:26] Paladine: you would choose which room (based on IP address) you want to call
[06:14:40] Paladine: and the video chat would be embedded into the myth frontend
[06:14:41] RyeBrye3: that's cool
[06:14:44] monkeypet: Paladine: I remember seeing a wishlist on the mythtv.org/twiki
[06:14:59] monkeypet: Paladine: add your idea to that.
[06:15:58] Paladine: that way if I am in the office, or bedroom or whereever, and the missus is somewhere else in the house but needs to ask me something, she could just select the room in mythfrontend "VideoCom" menu which would send a request to my pc in that room, I accept the call and baddabing
[06:21:21] Paladine: I just edit the wishlist?
[06:23:02] monkeypet: Paladine: I am so interested in this idea that I might start researching into it...
[06:23:13] Paladine: am adding it to the wiki now
[06:23:22] Paladine: I couldn't find any existing linux projects for anything similar
[06:24:22] monkeypet: Paladine: what about the video conferencing stuff?
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[06:24:54] Paladine: well I was looking specifically for LAN based video intercoms
[06:25:02] Paladine: I guess video conferencing would work fine
[06:25:12] Paladine: but it would be sweet to have something embedded straight into Mythfrontend
[06:25:18] monkeypet: Paladine: Ekiga is what is included with fc5, might be able to adapt it.
[06:26:27] monkeypet: Paladine: If it is H.323 compliant it can be used for a more general conferencing system.
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[06:29:05] Juski: add what you like to the wishlist. IMHO it just gets ignored anyway
[06:30:45] Paladine: well I added it to the top of the "Menu Mode" section on the wishlist
[06:31:09] Paladine: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Feature_ . . . 29#Menu_Mode
[06:34:01] Juski: a lot of the wishlist stuff is impractical, and folks don't follow the guidelines for the most successful way to get new features implemented. Just a "it would be cool if..." isn't enough
[06:34:55] Paladine: I dunno I think a video intercom is pretty practical
[06:35:06] Paladine: specially since more and more people are installing multiple mythfrontends
[06:35:39] Juski: comes down to 'just HOW big is your house?' again doesn't it? ;-)
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[06:36:01] Paladine: well we have 3 floors
[06:36:19] Paladine: and it is not unusual for me to be on bottom floor and the missus to be in the bedroom on the top floor
[06:36:53] quicksilver: video intercom would be quite widely used I would guess
[06:37:05] quicksilver: I'm quite sure people already video-iChat from one end of their house to the other
[06:37:13] quicksilver: specially those americans with their big houses! :P
[06:38:10] Paladine: yeah and how many people have workshops as outbuildings nowadays? 9even if it is just a garden shed)?
[06:38:26] Paladine: I now several people who have extended their network into outbuildings
[06:38:34] Paladine: video intercom would be incredibly useful there
[06:38:39] quicksilver: I nearly bought a house with an outbuilding actually
[06:38:40] Paladine: s/now/know
[06:38:47] quicksilver: in the end it wasn't practical
[06:38:51] quicksilver: but it would have been cool :)
[06:39:18] quicksilver: so, while it's not about voting, that gets my vote as a cool myth plugin!
[06:39:25] Paladine: I am archiving all the new yankee workshop shows for when I retire and setup my own carpenters workshop :)
[06:39:44] Paladine: I will be using mythfrontend to view them from the workshop :)
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[06:39:55] ** Juski couldn't care less either way about a LAN intercom thing, just for the record **
[06:40:14] RyeBrye3: How easy is it to load Myth from an RPM??? Knoppmyth is being a bitch right now not letting me install to my drive – (it can't partition it, and if I go in with it already partitioned it still wants to reformat it as ext3 – even though the partition I'm installing it on is already ext3)
[06:40:32] RyeBrye3: I'm thinking it would be easier to just load a different distro on, and install myth from rpm
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[06:42:49] alieas: can anyone tell me why thru component out w/ "HD1080i" my desktop will only fill to "verified" modes? I can't get 1080i to verify (have disable all EDID checks on this nVidia card) or I would be using a DVI->HDMI. So I end up with a TV in 1920x1080 and a desktop of 1280x720.  ?
[06:42:57] alieas: RyeBrye: Ubuntu worked good for me
[06:43:16] alieas: but I think compiling it from the SVN would be a better bet
[06:43:32] RyeBrye3: Was it pretty straightforward to load myth on? I'm giving it one more shot for knoppmyth until I kick it to the curb
[06:43:45] RyeBrye3: yeah, proably would be
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[06:44:18] alieas: pretty straight forward
[06:44:26] RyeBrye3: are you running 0.20
[06:44:35] alieas: been working on it for months now tho so I'm getting pretty fluid
[06:44:39] alieas: yes .20
[06:44:43] RyeBrye3: hmm
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[06:45:21] alieas: I got lirc working the other day... not much left for me to do
[06:45:41] alieas: I can't get 1080i from DVI->HDMI tho, I can get it in windows.
[06:45:55] alieas: Tried all the modeline calculators... no luck
[06:46:23] alieas: windows even displays a nice 1744 x 1000 res that has no overscan... heh wish I could re-create that in linux
[06:47:12] Juski: did you try using powerstrip?
[06:47:29] alieas: yeah, no luck
[06:47:33] alieas: did a direct port of the modeline
[06:48:02] alieas: The xorg log says its invalid
[06:48:18] sphing: alieas: what kind of tv?
[06:48:28] alieas: Toshiba CRT 30" 30HF84
[06:48:51] sphing: turn on verbosity in the log
[06:48:54] alieas: goes into 1080i with component out, but desktop will only go to 1280x720 is displayed in the center of the screen w/ black borders
[06:49:03] alieas: ok, I will do that right now
[06:49:06] sphing: and see if EDID is giving you wierd things
[06:49:40] alieas: wait. how do I start X with -v ?
[06:50:33] sphing: hmm I dont remember
[06:51:06] sphing: startx -v maybe?
[06:51:09] alieas: its just, the native command prompt resolution doesn't display so I can't really drop out of X while the box is hooked up to the TV
[06:51:38] alieas: I'm about to figure out a way tho right now because I want to see that log
[06:51:48] Juski: ssh?
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[06:51:55] Juski: vnc?
[06:52:00] alieas: I have ssh running
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[06:53:01] sphing: I'm going to bed...
[06:53:05] sphing: work tommorrow :(
[06:53:17] alieas: later thnx
[06:53:26] sphing: you can have X ignore EDID
[06:53:35] sphing: and it will display what you tell it to
[06:53:56] alieas: I've tried all the ignore switches in the xorg.conf
[06:54:09] sphing: what card?
[06:54:17] alieas: 6600GT
[06:54:25] sphing: nvidia I'm guessing?
[06:54:32] alieas: oh yeah
[06:54:41] alieas: hold on 1 quick sec before you leave
[06:54:58] sphing: Option "Ignore EDID" "1"
[06:55:03] sphing: in your Device section
[06:55:29] alieas: http://advancingnetworks.com/linux/xorg.conf
[06:56:15] sphing: let me check you mine...
[06:56:25] alieas: I just posted my xorg.conf, some of the switches may be under the wrong blocks but I've tried just about everything. "IgnoreEDID" "true" is the one I need to get 1280x720, but never can I get 1920x1080
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[06:57:18] alieas: ...so I figured I'd go to component since the TV is analog anyways, but X will only display the verified res.
[06:59:07] alieas: juski: does powerstip's modeline output usually have a high success rate?
[06:59:13] sphing: http://pastebin.ca/179452
[06:59:29] sphing: ignore the first couple of comments, I'm not really sure how they ended up there considering I run gentoo
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[06:59:46] sphing: alieas: if you do the ignoreedid
[07:00:00] sphing: X will do whatever the card can handle, not whatever the tv says
[07:01:00] alieas: doesn't seem to in my case. ignore edid did allow me to get 1280x720 which is acceptable. do you think 1080i would even be noticable on a 30" crt ?
[07:01:09] sphing: no
[07:01:12] alieas: ha
[07:01:15] sphing: but thats speculation
[07:01:22] sphing: i really have no idea
[07:01:29] sphing: i just had alot of problems with my philips
[07:01:33] alieas: well, I played back a jay leno 1080i .TS in windows in 1920x1080 just to compare it
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[07:01:45] alieas: and I couldn't tell the difference. so I guess I'm just retarted trying to get it to work anyways
[07:01:58] sphing: well i'm going to bed
[07:02:03] sphing: i'm by no means an expert..
[07:02:14] sphing: but the config just started working for me within the past 2 days
[07:02:30] sphing: ill be on tommorrow probably also...
[07:02:32] sphing: gnight
[07:02:36] alieas: night thanx again
[07:04:17] alieas: I have one more question maybe someone can pointout my bonehead error. mythtv .20 compiled fine the first time, but I try to compile it a 2nd time and it fails (will get error 1 sec)
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[07:06:29] d3ity: woot.
[07:06:47] alieas: http://advancingnetworks.com/linux/failed.txt
[07:07:04] Juski: anyway 1080i will prolly get deinterlaced by the TV
[07:07:11] alieas: compiled fine first go around. no errors
[07:08:36] alieas: juski: yeah thats why I was interested in it, no software decoding. even I believe the component out on the video card de-ints also. so you know – just trying to reach the best config and keep learning, but I'm cool with 720p & software de-int
[07:09:18] Juski: software de-int prolly looks better than what the TV does I bet
[07:09:37] alieas: I would like to find out why I can't compile myth anymore though, weird
[07:10:40] alieas: maybe if I just delete it and re download the source. I think they fixed something in myth-web since the night I got it anyways.
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[07:48:55] Rince: hiho
[07:49:11] Rince: is a question about the configure-process of mythtv considered development or user-based? ;)
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[07:50:11] Anduin: Rince: Everything is a user question unless you are asking about code
[07:50:55] Rince: ok
[07:51:06] Rince: I try to compile mythtv (SVN) under pure-amd64
[07:51:09] Dagmar: ...or WinMyth
[07:51:20] Dagmar: Rince: Don't _invite_ problems.
[07:51:20] Rince: the linker wants to have -fPIC as parameter for g++
[07:51:31] Dagmar: Use the tarball release of 0.20 first
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[07:51:43] Rince: I try to give it via configue with --extra-cxxflags but configure doesn't seem to give this further
[07:51:59] Dagmar: Like every other live source repository, there's no guarantee that what you pull from SVN will work or even compile.
[07:52:13] Rince: so even configure is about to change?
[07:52:52] Anduin: Rince: Can you pastebin it actually not passing -fPIC when it builds?
[07:52:57] Rince: sure
[07:53:19] Anduin: Rince: It is good general advice, never trust head
[07:53:25] Dagmar: I'm just wondering since when does someone have to manually specify -fPIC unless their toolchain is not sane.
[07:55:18] Anduin: exactly, it is explicitly in there already. It is probably the ld error that some people see in various places
[07:56:09] Rince: http://paste.debian.net/13456
[07:57:50] Anduin: Rince: There is another libtds that was compiled with -fPIC
[07:58:32] Rince: Hmm, so you mean it's not mythtv-specific, it's the other libtds?
[08:00:12] Rince: then I'll try to compile them with -fPIC ;)
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[08:01:12] Anduin: Rince: Are you actually doing to use DTS?
[08:01:57] Anduin: (if not you can just --disable-dts)
[08:02:37] alieas: I get the same error. Didn't get it the first time on this build, but tried to recompile a 2nd time and same error. with --disable-dts too
[08:02:54] Rince: maybe even better
[08:03:33] Rince: it works with disable-gts
[08:03:53] Anduin: There really is a pic version you can throw in there as well (I don't Debian but it is there, you just need to change a .pro file)
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[08:19:31] alieas: will xvmc mpeg-4 ever be possible in linux?
[08:19:48] Hoxzer: :)
[08:20:00] Hoxzer: I just basically love 0.20
[08:20:06] Hoxzer: like channel change is soo fast
[08:20:28] Hoxzer: I dont need to use analog tv anymore I can just use mythbox to watch tv digitally
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[08:24:24] alieas: .20 is nice
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[08:59:58] stuarta: morning all
[09:00:06] LoneShadow: does zap2it support more than 82 channels ?
[09:00:16] Merlin83b: Morning stuarta.
[09:00:33] Anduin: LoneShadow: of course
[09:01:19] LoneShadow: never mind
[09:01:26] LoneShadow: had the wrong settings =/
[09:01:29] ** stuarta is hungover **
[09:01:51] Merlin83b: Any particular reason or just a few bevvys?
[09:02:07] stuarta: trivia fundraising night
[09:02:25] stuarta: i was on a mission for some reason...
[09:02:29] ** Dibblah needs a low power motherboard that can take 8 disks, 6 PCI cards. Seems that for some reason noone makes them. **
[09:02:44] stuarta: how inconsiderate of them.
[09:03:04] stuarta: finding something that takes 6 pci cards is hard enough...
[09:03:52] Rince: why so much?
[09:04:15] Rince: I am thinking about a 4disk-SATA-NAS with raid so I can switch disks if they get bigger..
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[09:05:01] Dibblah: 4 DVB-s cards, 1 DVB-t card, gigabit card + SATA card.
[09:05:10] Dibblah: Bugger. That's 7.
[09:05:49] stuarta: just get 2 machines. it'll be easier...
[09:05:58] Dibblah: ... And more expensive.
[09:06:16] stuarta: well the slave machine could be a cheap arse slow thing...
[09:06:23] Dibblah: 1.1kW is _not_ a good starting point for average house power consumption.
[09:06:58] ** stuarta wonders how much juice his machine is taking **
[09:07:04] Dibblah: What is it?
[09:07:26] stuarta: amd64, 2x dvb-t 3x hdd
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[09:10:32] Dibblah: Early AMD64 would be about 100w, 12w for each of the drives, -t cards are only about 4w. So 140w or so, assuming no video card.
[09:11:09] Dibblah: Later AMD64s go down as low as 55w.
[09:11:17] stuarta: amd64 3200, ati 9550 graphics
[09:11:39] Dibblah: Early or late makes more difference than the speed rating.
[09:11:49] Dibblah: TDP goes down further into a production run.
[09:12:16] stuarta: it's about 21months old
[09:12:51] Dibblah: C'nQ enabled?
[09:12:57] Dagmar: Dibblah: You'd be operating squarely in rack-mounted server space with that many cards
[09:13:08] Dagmar: By the way, forget having six PCI cards operate sanely at the same time
[09:13:18] Dibblah: Dagmar: Uhuh. Sure :)
[09:13:18] Dagmar: You really only get four IRQs per bus.
[09:13:30] stuarta: erm, think so, but I can't run powernowd as the cpu hard locks when it downshifts
[09:13:35] Dagmar: You're *far* better off building two backends.
[09:13:43] Dibblah: Doesn't quite work that way with PCI bridges.
[09:14:02] Dagmar: I've not seen any boards that have six slots and two bridges.
[09:14:19] Dagmar: All the ones I've seen usually have slots 2/4 and 3/5 shared
[09:14:37] Dagmar: I've seen plenty of server boards with eight slots and two buses tho
[09:14:38] Dibblah: Only a problem if you're using "old tech" stuff. If you're talking mpeg2 streams, the IRQs aren't all that much of an issue.
[09:15:15] Dibblah: Well, at the moment, I'm using a server motherboard.
[09:15:24] Dagmar: The eight drives thing alone kinda means it would likely be easier for you to go SCSI. (ick)
[09:15:37] Dibblah: 3 physical PCI busses, 2 slots each.
[09:16:15] stuarta: why not pickup and old server class machine?
[09:16:18] Dagmar: Nifty
[09:16:29] Dibblah: 5 PCI bridges in total. One on a riser card.
[09:16:58] Dibblah: Because I'm already hitting performance issues with the scheduler :(
[09:17:07] Dagmar: Still, It's gotta be cheaper to go with two backends
[09:17:14] Dibblah: And older machine == power hungry.
[09:17:30] Dibblah: PSUs have actually improved a lot recently.
[09:17:39] Dagmar: iscsi should let you manage both sets of drives as one, although you prolly wanna go to using GigE for interconnect
[09:17:44] stuarta: cpu stepping 0, smells like an old one to me...
[09:18:08] Dagmar: stuarta: Yeah, that would be first run I'd say. Heh
[09:18:15] Dibblah: Probably. tcasemax'd be able to tell you.
[09:18:27] Dibblah: But that sorta requires winders.
[09:18:52] Dagmar: This is an AMD chip, right?
[09:19:01] Dagmar: There's _charts_ you can just look this stuff up on
[09:19:15] stuarta: yup, (playing with search engines now)
[09:21:59] Dibblah: The charts aren't real.
[09:22:25] Dagmar: http://wejp.k.vu/projects/howto_cnq_athlon_64_x2/
[09:22:56] Dibblah: The actual consumption of a single CPU is variable.
[09:23:31] Dagmar: Oh... he wants consumption at peak?
[09:23:38] Dibblah: http://www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=83
[09:23:43] Dibblah: Not just peak.
[09:23:48] Dagmar: Hell, I'd just keep looking until I found three reports and then pick the highest for safety's sake
[09:23:59] Dibblah: The variation here is in the leakage currents.
[09:24:05] stuarta: i'm only wondering about average...
[09:24:44] Dibblah: Easiest way to find out is to buy a power meter :)
[09:24:50] Dagmar: Pretty much
[09:25:03] Dagmar: Then you have to find a way to put an "average" load on the machine.
[09:25:17] stuarta: yeah, far more interesting toys to buy though :)
[09:25:35] Dagmar: I'd rather spend my money on strippers, actually.
[09:26:37] Dagmar: I don't much care for spending large $$$ on specialty tools unless I'm seriously developing a product
[09:27:21] ** Rince thinks about a small machine, 1 AGP/PCIX Slot, one PCI, Slot, AMD64, one or two hard drives, water cooling. Any suggestions? **
[09:27:35] Dagmar: Yeah, don't bother with water cooling.
[09:27:38] Rince: why?
[09:27:44] Dagmar: It's not quiet, and it's typically not needed.
[09:27:47] Rince: Hmm
[09:27:57] Rince: okay, what would you prefer in terms of "quiet"?
[09:28:15] Dagmar: Vantec makes stuff... Zalman makes stuff. There's lots of ways to get quiet
[09:28:15] Dibblah: You have to find a way to put an average load on the machine? Errr.. How on earth is that hard? ;)
[09:28:38] Dagmar: You don't even have to use Zalman heat pipes or anything all *that* special on the CPU to get <3db (gnat farting)
[09:29:08] Dagmar: Rubber grommets, and low-speed large-blade fans go a long way
[09:29:46] Dagmar: A case without bits that rattle goes even farther. Antec makes some specialty cases for those who want quiet that incorporate quite a bit
[09:30:02] Dagmar: BQE "Black Quiet Edition"
[09:30:49] Rince: Dagmar: ok ;)
[09:31:04] Dagmar: Dibblah: I suppose you could drive one core of the CPU at full tilt, but then, my "average" load is pretty much 100% CPU, 100% of the time.
[09:31:10] Rince: currenty I have a shuttle with ICE-Heat-Pipeline which is already quite okay ;)
[09:31:27] Dagmar: Rince: Ever had one of those little dorm fridges??
[09:31:30] Dibblah: Dagmar: You just put the power meter on the system for a week.
[09:31:38] Dibblah: Then you have average usage.
[09:32:01] Rince: Dagmar: nope, not yet ;)
[09:32:10] quicksilver: decent fans is often the key
[09:32:16] quicksilver: and a relatively quiet hard drive
[09:32:25] quicksilver: (although hard drives are not nearly as loud as fans, in most systems)
[09:32:30] Dibblah: And having access under the floor.
[09:32:30] Dagmar: Rince: Well, the thing they don't tell you about water cooling is that there's a compressor involved, and that compressor more than makes up for a lack of fans
[09:32:37] quicksilver: you may have to replace the fans your case comes with with quieter ones
[09:32:53] quicksilver: and a decent (e.g. Zalman Flower) cpu fan can be inaudible
[09:32:58] Dibblah: Compressor? Water cooling? Eh?
[09:33:06] quicksilver: I have an inaudible CPU fan, a very quiet power supply
[09:33:06] Dibblah: You're thinking phase change.
[09:33:13] quicksilver: and three fucking noisy case fans :(
[09:33:18] quicksilver: which I keep meaning to replace
[09:33:22] Dagmar: Compressor, pump, whatever you want to call it
[09:33:23] Dibblah: Or the word you're looking for is "pump".
[09:33:26] Rince: Dagmar: *nod* I heard that alradyy but no one was able to tell me about the nouse
[09:33:26] Dibblah: ;)
[09:33:38] Dagmar: Rince: They typically ain't quiet.  :)
[09:33:43] Dibblah: There is no noise from a proper water cooling system.
[09:34:00] Juski: awww shite not this again
[09:34:03] Dagmar: LIke there's no noise from an aquarium
[09:34:24] Dagmar: I can make a dead silent case without water cooling, but that represents an extreme.
[09:34:24] Dibblah: That's a diaphragm air pupm.
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[09:34:32] Dibblah: pump, even.
[09:34:41] Dibblah: Ooooh!
[09:34:41] Dagmar: Design considerations have to be sacrified in a sub-optimal fashion to get an extreme.
[09:34:51] quicksilver: apple have made dead silent computers
[09:35:00] quicksilver: using engineering to direct the convection currents
[09:35:15] quicksilver: the original G5s run 99% with their fans off
[09:35:17] Dibblah: Uhuh. And how well did that work out for them?
[09:35:18] quicksilver: so does this iBook
[09:35:20] Dagmar: Yep. Using smarts instead of squishing water everywhere
[09:35:37] quicksilver: it's expensive though (engineering air flow)
[09:35:44] quicksilver: buying quiet fans is easier and cheaper
[09:36:15] Dagmar: I agree.
[09:36:22] Dibblah: Sticking the noisy box under the floor is cheaper and cooler :)
[09:36:36] Dagmar: Maybe if you live in a maching room.
[09:36:41] Dagmar: s/maching/machine/;
[09:36:58] Dagmar: For some of us, putting it under the floor would mean digging in the basement and proofing it against bugs and damn.
[09:37:03] Dagmar: s/damn/damp/;
[09:37:20] Dibblah: The PC is hotter than it's surroundings. Damp isn't an issue.
[09:38:20] Dagmar: There's a difference between lab settings, and the underside of a house, dude.
[09:38:54] Dagmar: Even steam tunnels collect moss and "underground funk". Yech.
[09:39:12] Dagmar: It doesn't just _look_ filthy under there.
[09:39:14] Dibblah: Okay. Me and my server'll just agree to disagree with you :)
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[09:40:45] Rince: but antec looks really nice :-)
[09:40:52] Dagmar: Your server isn't sitting under a house with dirt and frogs.
[09:41:05] Dibblah: Nope. Don't get many frogs.
[09:41:10] Dibblah: Mice, yes.
[09:41:36] Dibblah: Not much dirt either – Concrete slab foundation.
[09:42:17] Dagmar: Rince: They are very nice cases, actually.
[09:42:38] Dagmar: They cost in the $85–150 range, but when you get your hands on them you quicky see why.
[09:43:00] Rince: *nod
[09:43:09] Dibblah: Yeah. For a start, your hands aren't generally cut to shreds within the first few minutes with them.
[09:43:18] Dagmar: Hallelujah
[09:43:28] Dagmar: My fingers don't tan anymore.
[09:43:32] Rince:
[09:43:35] Dibblah: Which can be a bad thing. Some machines *need* bloood.
[09:43:47] Dagmar: I can side with that
[09:44:02] Dagmar: I'm guessing no one ever opened some of the machines I built for the Hendersonville Police department.
[09:44:16] Dibblah: Anyway. Apologies. This is getting OT for OT.
[09:44:22] Dagmar: I was a little mad at my boss for kvetching about me taking time to go get a bandaid so I wouldn't bleed all over
[09:44:52] Dagmar: If they'd opened the next machine I built for him, like _ever_, there would have been a full fledged investigation and press involvemnet.
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[10:38:38] stuarta: pvr resistant advertising. bah! http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds37236.html
[10:42:45] Dagmar: stuarta: I heard about that. I think it's funny.
[10:43:15] Dagmar: They think people fast forward in a linear manner like a VCR tape, instead of just *blip* scooting forward 30 seconds at a time.
[10:43:51] stuarta: they have quite a bad delusion going on :)
[10:44:03] Dagmar: I'm definitely not going to tell them.
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[10:44:50] stuarta: maybe it'll help the commflagger :)
[10:47:20] Merlin83b: lol
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[12:28:17] Krazylegz: Any impressions yet of .20 on Gentoo?
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[13:10:03] Juski: I can do an impression of 0.20 on gentoo... see you in 48 hours when X has finished emerging
[13:10:24] seth|laptop: hehe
[13:10:43] Krazylegz: Juski: I already emerged .20, but I haven't been home to try it.
[13:10:50] Krazylegz: I need to do some other setup first too.
[13:11:03] seth|laptop: you think that is bad, I am building a gentoo sparc box on my Sun ultra 10, it has been compiling since tuesday, hehe
[13:12:27] Juski: gonna start preparing for the migration tonight
[13:12:42] antiPosix: how can I turn of the abilty to exit mythtv. I want to configure it so if the user presses esc it brings them to the main menu. and thats the final escapable place. can I do this?
[13:12:52] seth|laptop: I will be upgrading my knoppmyth box to .20 starting tonight as well
[13:13:00] antiPosix: my wife keeps pressing the escape (or the Tivo button on my remote) to much
[13:13:17] Juski: only hurdle for me is getting tftp working in ubuntu.. never tried it yet
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[13:29:11] Paladine: I never use ftpd on my boxes anymore
[13:29:16] Paladine: thats what wget is for
[13:29:33] Paladine: I just put whatever I need to move in the webtree on the box
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[13:29:57] quicksilver: no, that's what scp is for :)
[13:30:08] GreyFoxx: heh yeah
[13:30:11] quicksilver: but juski is talking about tftp
[13:30:15] quicksilver: that's rather different
[13:30:20] quicksilver: I imagine he's wanting to netboot something
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[13:31:40] esoteric|laptop: mythbackend is no longer logging (hasn't been writing to the log for almost a month) any ideas why? also none of my shows are being commercial flagged anymore
[13:31:52] esoteric|laptop: but mythcommflag is always running when I go to top
[13:31:57] stuarta: no diskspace??
[13:32:36] esoteric|laptop: nope diskspace is fine
[13:34:08] esoteric|laptop: oh and skipping more then 30 seconds (like the default 10min) freezes mythfrontend and also skipping foward or backward when paused freezes it too
[13:34:25] janneg: maybe mythcommflag is hanging on a paticular recording
[13:34:51] stuarta: when was the last time you ran mysqlcheck?
[13:34:58] janneg: the seeking problem sounds like a corrupted databse
[13:35:12] esoteric|laptop: ok let me check the db and mythcommflag for hang
[13:36:51] esoteric|laptop: do I need to kill mythbackend to run mysqlcheck properly?
[13:37:23] stuarta: not really, but if you are able to shut it down, it's recommended
[13:37:43] stuarta: ie. yes
[13:38:36] esoteric|laptop: ok checking db
[13:38:48] Juski: damn right I'm talking about netbooting :)
[13:38:51] esoteric|laptop: recordedmarkup is maked as crashed
[13:39:03] esoteric|laptop: marked* so I shall repair it
[13:39:56] stuarta: that'll be your problem then....
[13:39:57] janneg: yes, Do you still use 0.19?
[13:40:12] esoteric|laptop: yes I am still on 0.19, I plan to upgrade tonight when nothing is recording
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[13:40:42] Honk^away: what's wrong if i cant scan for channels in mythtv-setup? =)
[13:40:51] esoteric|laptop: I really hope the devs plan on doing on overhaul on the db structure for mythv cause it is pretty messed up
[13:41:16] janneg: Honk^away: what capture hardware do you use?
[13:41:48] Honk^away: a pvr 500
[13:41:55] esoteric|laptop: hrm my recordings go pixelated after skip still, not sure why though :/
[13:42:22] stuarta: esoteric|laptop: skipping to a non-keyframe,
[13:42:49] ** Paladine watches Norm **
[13:42:49] esoteric|laptop: can you elaborate, because until lately I have never had this problem before
[13:43:03] stuarta: 3 types of frames in mpeg
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[13:43:13] esoteric|laptop: well my 10 minute skip works again, it just takes like 10 seconds to actually do the skip
[13:43:29] janneg: Honk^away: I don't know much about the analog channel scan
[13:43:42] stuarta: 1 has a complete frame, the other 2 involve difference to the previous frame
[13:43:55] esoteric|laptop: why would it all of a sudden start skipping to non-keyframes when it has always been smooth skips in the past
[13:44:02] esoteric|laptop: ok
[13:44:07] esoteric|laptop: makes sense
[13:44:09] Paladine: how old is your hard drive?
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[13:44:11] stuarta: so if you start on a dif frame you get a partial image.
[13:44:33] esoteric|laptop: Paladine, not very, I have four actually using LVM to a total of 300 GB
[13:44:41] Paladine: could just be your drive is either on its way out
[13:44:48] stuarta: also, since your recordedmarkup was corrupt, you need to rebuild the seek tables on your recordings
[13:44:49] Paladine: increasing seek time
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[13:45:08] Honk^away: well.. the button is disaplyed
[13:45:08] Honk^away: *disabled
[13:45:08] Honk^away: kinda odd :]
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[13:45:11] janneg: esoteric|laptop: due to crash you miss probably the seektable of the recording
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[13:45:23] esoteric|laptop: is the rebuild process in the wiki ?
[13:45:27] esoteric|laptop: gotcha
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[13:45:42] Paladine: how big does the myth database get?
[13:45:50] Paladine: cos it holds a lot of data
[13:46:27] janneg: Paladine: depends on your setup (number of recordings, channels, days of epg data)
[13:46:42] esoteric|laptop: stuarta or janneg how can I rebuild the table?
[13:46:42] Honk^away: where does mythtv store the settings anyway? =)
[13:46:50] esoteric|laptop: settings table in the mythconverg db
[13:47:03] Honk^away: ah ok :)
[13:47:04] stuarta: esoteric|laptop: mythcommflag --rebuild
[13:47:10] esoteric|laptop: ok thanks
[13:47:42] stuarta: my DB dump's are about 70Mb in size...
[13:48:19] esoteric|laptop: my dumbs are about 120mb in size, but I also have 300GB of recordings and such
[13:49:04] esoteric|laptop: dumps*
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[13:50:29] esoteric|laptop: thanks guys for the help, now I just have to research on how to upgrade mythtv to 0.20 on fedora again
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[13:51:04] esoteric|laptop: hey stuarta, when I run mythcommflag --rebuild it does a single file and then stops
[13:51:38] Paladine: so with lvm, if one drive dies can you take it out add a new drive and it will be rebuilt from the other drives in the volume?
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[13:51:52] Honk^away: errh.. no :P
[13:51:53] esoteric|laptop: no
[13:52:01] Paladine: so you screwed if a drive dies then
[13:52:01] Honk^away: the entire lvm group will be lost
[13:52:16] Honk^away: you're talking about a real raid ;)
[13:52:25] Paladine: well thats why I asked
[13:52:27] esoteric|laptop: Paladine, LVM is like RAID 0, but you can use drives of different sizes
[13:53:25] Paladine: I am thinking of setting up raid0 on this box
[13:53:39] esoteric|laptop: if you do you need to have all drives of the same size
[13:53:47] Paladine: I have a dual hardware sata raid mobo
[13:54:02] Paladine: yeah thats not a problem
[13:54:14] Paladine: my second raid is sata2 as well
[13:54:29] Paladine: so thinking of buying a couple of TB of drives
[13:54:38] Paladine: and raid0 them
[13:54:53] Paladine: just wondered why so many people seem to use lvm
[13:55:08] Paladine: seems like a big risk just for being able to use dierent size drives
[13:55:13] Paladine: different
[13:56:06] Honk^away: same will happen with raid0
[13:56:15] Honk^away: that's why
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[13:56:44] Honk^away: lvm gives you more flexibility in resizing partitions.. thats about all you gain
[13:56:53] bjn: i'm using raid and lvm
[13:57:13] Honk^away: raid0 does not offer any restoration of data either
[13:57:19] Honk^away: you'll want to go for raid5 prolly
[13:57:22] bjn: raid5 + lvm
[13:57:27] Honk^away: nice :)
[13:57:54] Honk^away: anyway.. how do i get the frequency scan enabled? =)
[13:58:02] Paladine: my raid has raid10 too
[13:58:10] Paladine: which I have never even heard of before let alone used
[13:58:20] Honk^away: ask wiki ;)
[13:58:33] Honk^away: there's a pretty good description of all raid types
[13:58:37] Honk^away: you want raid5 anyway
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[14:01:10] stuarta: esoteric|laptop: you have to tell it which ones to do...
[14:01:30] Paladine: man I hate o imagine how long it would take to rebuild a raid5 setup with 4x 500GB drives when a drive fails
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[14:01:51] stuarta: quite a while i suspect
[14:04:07] Paladine: my mobo comes with a nice module for having the drives outside the main case as well
[14:04:30] stuarta: eSATA...
[14:04:32] Paladine: just extends the SATA leads to the back panel which then has a power connector socket and the 4 sata ports
[14:04:52] Paladine: means I can setup the array in a nice custom built cooled case of their own
[14:06:09] Honk^away: build one for me too =)
[14:06:14] Honk^away: with usb ports though :D
[14:06:16] Paladine: hehehe
[14:06:28] Paladine: why would you want usb ports in your array case?
[14:06:36] Paladine: there is nothing for them to plug into
[14:06:52] Honk^away: usb interface ;)
[14:06:56] Honk^away: for teh drives :]
[14:07:00] Honk^away: yaaay, i can scan =)
[14:07:09] Honk^away: stupid 0.18 mythtv ;)
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[14:09:46] Paladine: http://cgi.ebay.com/SATA-II-4-Bay-Hot-Swap-LC . . . cmdZViewItem <- something like that
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[14:10:19] Honk^away: a tiny bit too expensive for my taste
[14:10:39] Paladine: nice though
[14:11:06] Merlin83b: I should update mythweb
[14:11:15] Merlin83b: I'm on a particularly old version, but it works :)
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[14:13:38] stuarta: ugg, they need to get some black drive slides.
[14:21:00] Chicago: I'm on gentoo. The new ebuilds for v.20 have a ivtv USE flag.
[14:21:08] Chicago: I've already compiled in ivtv v.7 manually.
[14:21:34] Chicago: Gentoo wants to pull in ivtv v.6.3.... does anybody else use ivtv v.7 with the new gentoo myth ebuilds (v.2)?
[14:24:48] Honk^away: ..
[14:24:52] Honk^away: just unmask 0.7?
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[14:29:06] Juski: just build it yerself
[14:29:46] Paladine: 4 of these in RAID5 would be nice :)
[14:29:54] Paladine: http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index . . . t_uid=110736
[14:31:53] Honk^away: Juski: why?
[14:32:09] Honk^away: on gentoo you really dont need (or want) that
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[14:32:38] Juski: I did, cos you can't always rely on ebuilds being available or useful
[14:32:45] Honk^away: you can
[14:32:49] Honk^away: :P
[14:32:53] Juski: I can't
[14:33:12] Juski: not many more hours left & I'
[14:33:22] Juski: & I'll not be a gentoo hater any longer
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[14:34:21] Paladine: 3TB SATAII RAID5 array should be more than enough for our Myth fileserver :)
[14:34:48] Juski: oh noes.. even with that much you'll have to delete crud eventually
[14:34:58] Honk^away: Paladine: go for 250–300gb drives
[14:35:01] Honk^away: they're cheaper :P
[14:35:33] Paladine: those 750GB drives are not overly expensive
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[14:35:45] Honk^away: you can get 1tb or more for the same price though ;)
[14:35:52] Honk^away: just needs more space =)
[14:35:56] Paladine: and they will be significantly cheaper after the new year
[14:36:50] Juski: so before I finally make up my mind.. wtf would emerge -pv mythtv imply I need to upgrade my X? I don't want to upgrade X, I only want to upgrade mythtv
[14:38:10] Honk^away: mkaaay.. why do i have image distortions in mythtv? :P
[14:38:43] Honk^away: the screen is completely messed up :]
[14:42:45] Juski: ack well. time to go home & do the prep stuff.
[14:42:53] Juski: can't be arsed to fix gentoo
[14:44:06] Chicago: Juski: Gentoo is phasing out monolithic X... is it just trying to bring in modular X?
[14:44:40] Honk^away: they're trying to have less stuff they need to fix :P
[14:47:04] Honk^away: wth is this.. i can only watch tv once w/o restarting the backend
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[14:51:42] robert83a1: hi, anyone using MythTV on CentOS 4.0 ? Also if yes would you please tell which repo you are using ?
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[14:54:13] fred_basset: ahh friday...
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[15:14:49] antiPosix: my video out on my TV screen (for mythtv gui) is kind of...not right. I can see it almost flicker
[15:16:31] Paladine: ok, so lets say I want to impliment a myth server with 8 PVR150s in it all getting input from individual STB's via SVideo and RCA Audio. Is it possible?
[15:16:58] Paladine: and furthermore, would it also be possible to setup IRblasters for each individual STB?
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[15:17:16] quicksilver: cheaper to set up 2 or three separate boxes, almost certainly
[15:17:27] quicksilver: but I imagine if you go into the realms of specialised server hardware that might be possible
[15:17:36] quicksilver: you can probably get 4–8 serial ports on one card, for the blasters
[15:17:42] Paladine: well lets say I setup 8 boxes each with their own PVR150
[15:17:43] ** Honk^away cries.. i cant even make 1 pvr work properly **
[15:17:51] Paladine: how can I make them all use the same database?
[15:17:57] quicksilver: you can have slave-backends
[15:18:03] quicksilver: I'd think of 3, each with 3 tuners, probably
[15:18:08] Paladine: ah that sounds like a better solution
[15:18:35] quicksilver: standard MBs have enough PCI slots to handle 3 tuners and 3 IRblasters I would imagine
[15:18:42] Paladine: all the boxes would be using external tuners
[15:18:44] quicksilver: 8 and 8 is going to be special server stuff though
[15:18:55] quicksilver: well a PVR is still a kind of tuner, you know :)
[15:18:56] Paladine: fed via SVideo In
[15:19:13] quicksilver: well then you don't need PVRs? or you're using the PVR as a hardware encoder?
[15:19:22] quicksilver: you know you can get s-video in boards which aren't TV tuners...
[15:19:35] Paladine: yeah but I will be damned if I can find any
[15:19:52] Paladine: the only ones I have found so far are bt878
[15:20:08] Paladine: I can't find any with hardware mpeg2 encoding
[15:20:41] Paladine: am planning for our next house
[15:20:50] Paladine: I intend to have the entire house running a myth network
[15:21:19] Paladine: every bedroom, kitchen, bathroom and loung and dining room
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[15:22:16] Honk^away: sooo.. what's causing extreme image distortions on a pvr 500? just bad signal?
[15:22:41] Paladine: Iknowit seems strange to have mythtv in a bathroom, but you can get waterproof touchscreen LCDs nowadays and waterproof speakers
[15:23:09] Paladine: so it would be really nice to have mythtv and mythmusic when you are enjoying a nice long soak in the tub
[15:27:03] Honk^away: http://134.106.144.92/files/pvr.mpg
[15:27:06] quicksilver: Paladine: why would you need 8 STBS?
[15:27:12] Honk^away: what's causing distortions like that? =)
[15:27:16] quicksilver: do you really expect to be watching 8 different channels at the same time?
[15:27:17] robert83a1: if one would want to backup mythtv database would it be enough if I would simply copy everything from /var/lib/mysql/ ?
[15:27:21] Paladine: quicksilver, one for each room in the house
[15:27:21] quicksilver: how many people share your house with you?
[15:27:32] quicksilver: the whole point of myth is that you don't need 8 STBs...
[15:27:40] quicksilver: you just need as many as you plan to watch different channels at once
[15:27:50] quicksilver: which is normally (number of people in the house + 1) at most
[15:27:55] sigger: Paladine: you mean 8 frontend computers, right?
[15:27:56] Paladine: 3 bedrooms, office, lounge, dining room, kitchen and bathroom
[15:28:05] Paladine: yes exactly which is why I would want 8
[15:28:11] Honk^away: Paladine: you dont need 1 backend for each frontend though
[15:28:12] sigger: (as opposed to 8 tuner cards)
[15:28:13] Paladine: so each person can watch whatever channel they wish
[15:28:19] quicksilver: you have 8 people in your house?
[15:28:24] Honk^away: unless you plan to use every tv at once ;)
[15:28:32] quicksilver: all watching different stuff?
[15:28:41] quicksilver: you might as well just put a TV in each room and forget myth, then?
[15:28:43] ** quicksilver laughs **
[15:28:47] Paladine: well itis theoretically possible
[15:29:01] quicksilver: I would think 3–4 tuners is enough for most families
[15:29:03] Paladine: no because I don't just use myth for tv
[15:29:07] quicksilver: unless you have about 5 really contrary children
[15:29:17] quicksilver: watch 2 different stations at once and record 2 at once
[15:29:18] sigger: I think Paladine means one or a few tuners / slave backends, with a front end wherever theres a tv (i.e. 8 tvs in 8 rooms = 8 frontends)
[15:29:24] quicksilver: sigger: he doesn't
[15:29:27] quicksilver: sigger: he means 8 tuners
[15:29:30] Paladine: siggr yes
[15:29:34] quicksilver: sigger: I'm trying to convince him he doesn't need that :P
[15:29:51] sigger: quicksilver: I think he already agrees with you :-p
[15:30:00] Paladine: well one stb for each person in the house plus a spare one for guests :p
[15:30:15] quicksilver: Paladine: remember that lots of people are probably watching recordings, or listening to music
[15:30:20] sigger: Paladine: are you using the word STB to refer to a frontend?
[15:30:25] quicksilver: so the odds that they'll all be watching live tv, all different channels
[15:30:27] Paladine: no set top box
[15:30:30] Paladine: for skytv
[15:31:03] Paladine: quicksilver, it is highly possible that each person will be watching a diferent livetv channel
[15:31:15] Paladine: myself and my missus for example almost never watch the same channels
[15:31:15] quicksilver: ok
[15:31:15] ** sigger backs away very slowly, then runs real fast **
[15:31:21] quicksilver: in that case you do need 8 :)
[15:31:24] quicksilver: as long as you understand the facts
[15:31:33] quicksilver: but that is certainly a strange way to use myth :)
[15:31:37] Paladine: and we are planningon having 4 kids
[15:31:46] quicksilver: normally people see the advantage of myth is the ability to have fewer STBs than TVs
[15:31:53] quicksilver: (well one of the advantages)
[15:31:55] Paladine: and kids are about as individual as you can get when it comes to tv viewing habits
[15:33:12] Paladine: quicksilver, I see the advantage of myth as being a way to centralise the household a/v system
[15:33:23] Paladine: I don't really mind how many stb's that takes
[15:33:24] quicksilver: nod
[15:33:50] Paladine: having a central storage facility and database for music and video recordings is what I am interested in
[15:33:56] sigger: Paladine: trust me, if you have no kids yet, you're a min of 3–4 years away from your first unsupervised kiddie frontend
[15:34:05] Paladine: sigger we have 1 at the moment
[15:34:31] sigger: That's like 9 new CPU cores down the road
[15:34:54] Paladine: and I like to plan ahead, we won't be buying a new house for a couple of years yet, but if I start planing now, I can alter the plans as new technology comes along, rather than having to plan it all at once when we buy the house
[15:35:23] Paladine: there is enough to do when we buy the new house asit is without having to do a full AV plan as well
[15:35:46] Paladine: I want our next house to be a "Smart Home"
[15:35:51] sigger: holy cow! this is planning for a couple years down the road!?!? we'll all be watching holograms on our wristwatches by then! I'm out.
[15:36:22] Paladine: sigger, well I plan to do a smaller setup in our current house
[15:36:33] Paladine: we already have 3 STBs in this house
[15:37:46] sigger: bah, I have work to pretend to be doingg
[15:41:17] Honk^away: *sigh*
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[15:49:38] Honk^away: are there any programs to test a pvr 150 apart from mythtv?
[15:49:55] quicksilver: yup
[15:49:58] quicksilver: and that is what you should do
[15:50:04] quicksilver: get the tuners working without myth first :)
[15:50:22] quicksilver: try xawtv
[15:51:03] Honk^away: i tried tvtime.. doesnt work with ivtv it seems :/
[15:54:32] quicksilver: to be honest I don't know very much about it, but I certainly tested in xawtv before I tried myth
[15:54:44] quicksilver: there is loads of good help around on the 'net
[15:56:05] Honk^away: xawtv does not work with ivtv either
[15:56:09] Honk^away: heh :]
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[15:57:41] Honk^away: that's why i was asking in the first place =)
[15:58:06] Paladine: will mythDVD work with iso's or does ithaveto use an optical drive?
[15:58:57] GreyFoxx: mythdvd plays from the dvdrom, but you can play isos from mythdvd
[15:59:04] GreyFoxx: err from mythvideo I mean
[15:59:05] quicksilver: Honk^away: Ah, ivtv is outputting the compressed data
[15:59:23] quicksilver: Honk^away: have you tried xine?
[15:59:28] quicksilver: Honk^away: have you read the ivtv faq?
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[15:59:53] Paladine: GreyFoxx, I am thinking of transferring our dvd collection to the file server, but I would want to rip the dvds first to get rid of css
[16:00:06] quicksilver: hmm actually I think xawtv does support ivtv
[16:00:11] quicksilver: since quite a few versions now
[16:00:25] Honk^away: quicksilver: mhh.. the ivtv faq said it doesnt ;)
[16:00:55] Paladine: also whats the best way to rip individual episodes from TV show dvd boxettes? most of the dvds have 4 episodes each
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[16:01:18] Honk^away: use a dvd ripper? :P
[16:01:23] Paladine: Ideally I would like to rip and transcode individual episodes to mpeg4
[16:01:39] quicksilver: Honk^away: yeah, that's a faq from 2003 though
[16:01:48] quicksilver: Honk^away: I don't blame you for getting confused
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[16:02:07] Honk^away: quicksilver: d'oh =)
[16:02:09] sigger: GreyFoxx: hmm, mythvideo can use Internal and still do menus tho, right? (I plan on upgrading to 0.20 soon)
[16:02:23] sigger: on.iso's that is
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[16:02:39] Paladine: Honk^away, my only windows machine is my laptop, it would take a long time to rip our entire dvd collection on my laptop compared to my main desktop system
[16:02:52] Paladine: and I have yet to find a decent dvd ripper app for linux
[16:02:54] GreyFoxx: sigger: YUP
[16:02:56] opello: Paladine: i think the dvd::rip package lets you choose which titles to do, ideally each episode is its own title
[16:02:57] GreyFoxx: err yup
[16:03:00] sigger: (whew)
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[16:04:36] Honk^away: Paladine: i didnt even think about using windows
[16:04:46] quicksilver: Paladine: isn't myth's built-in ripper any good? I've never used it myself I must admit.
[16:04:53] ** quicksilver doesn't have enough disk space to rip dvds... **
[16:05:01] Paladine: I don't have mythdvd installed yet
[16:05:04] Honk^away: try dvd::rip
[16:05:15] Honk^away: a bit tricky to set up, but it's pretty good
[16:05:25] opello: and can do distributed encoding
[16:05:25] Honk^away: and if you want, you can use all of your systems to transcode, not just one :P
[16:05:32] opello: heh
[16:06:20] opello: someone demo'd that at our LUG meeting and we did the great standby, the matrix (first one) in about 25 minutes on 12 laptops to 700mb xvid
[16:07:54] Honk^away: looks like the xawtv version in ubuntu is too old to play mpeg2.. that's why :P
[16:08:48] ** Paladine installs dvd::rip **
[16:08:49] quicksilver: Honk^away: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-170884.html
[16:09:10] Paladine: I will test it on 24 S1 Boxette to see how well it rips individual episodes
[16:09:14] Honk^away: that's the thread i'm reading right now :P
[16:09:25] quicksilver: Honk^away: ah, good
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[16:10:08] Merlin83b: Boxette?
[16:10:09] Merlin83b: Hehe
[16:10:27] Honk^away: it's a new box though, so i need to get some prereqs installed first :)
[16:10:33] Paladine: we have a lot of tv show boxettes
[16:10:35] Honk^away: (geesh, i should've installed gentoo on it)
[16:10:46] Merlin83b: Paladine: Never seen it written as boxette before :-)
[16:11:50] quicksilver: boxette: n. small computer with long eyelashes
[16:11:53] Juski: OMG some forum user thinks it'd be a fantastic idea if he made a script to make symbolic links with human-readable names to MythTV recordings! gasp!
[16:12:11] opello: run away!
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[16:14:34] Juski: time to make my root mysql password match the one in the umbongo installer's idea of the best way to install mythtv thing
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[16:18:17] xris: Juski: lol
[16:18:28] xris: amazing how few people actually check the contrib directory
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[16:21:35] Isalyne: hi people // is there anyone here who uses mythtv with a freebox ?
[16:21:52] Juski: nooo! now ubuntu packages call the init script mythtv-backend !! WHY?!
[16:22:50] Chicago: Which one of the card types in mythtv-setup ( on the new version for gentoo v.2) should I be using for a Hauppauge 500MCE?
[16:22:55] Chicago: I'm having trouble seeing video.
[16:23:01] Juski: Chicago: mpeg2 encoder
[16:23:19] Juski: and you should set two cards up, one at a time
[16:24:07] Chicago: The only Card types on my list are: Analog V4L capture card, MJPEG capture card, DVB DTV capture card, pcHDTV DTV capture card, FireWire cable box & USB MPEG-4 encoder box
[16:24:39] Juski: you didn't have 'ivtv' in your USE flags
[16:25:00] Juski: nifty or what?
[16:25:01] Chicago: All of those cards types except DVB DTV and FireWire show "Probed info: WinTV PVR 500 (unit #1) [ivtv] or unit #2
[16:25:41] Chicago: RU serious? I need to have an ivtv use flag enabled?
[16:26:05] ** Paladine is liking dvdrip already **
[16:26:24] Juski: I could be wrong, but mpeg2 encoders are still called mpeg2 encoders in mythtv
[16:26:39] Chicago: Well... I'm not sure what todo.
[16:26:45] Chicago: MPEG2 didn't show up as a card type...
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[16:27:01] Juski: maybe cos myth was built without support for ivtv tuners
[16:27:08] Chicago: Did you have to enable ivtv in your make.conf?
[16:27:09] Juski: look in the ebuild like I did earlier
[16:27:45] Juski: Chicago: no, but I've not built 0.20 on gentoo. nor will I be
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[16:28:38] Juski: in 0.19-fixes I didn't need ivtv in my USE flags
[16:28:43] Isalyne: there's something strange when i try to record a program on a channel: programs i select to be recorded are not recorded because they are said to conflict with themselvs
[16:29:20] Chicago: Juski: Are you using SVN is that why you won't build v0.20 on Gentoo?
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[16:29:35] Juski: Chicago: no, I'm still on 0.19-fixes for the time being
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[16:29:45] Juski: no real reason to upgrade to be honest
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[16:29:56] |Torg|: if it aint broke...
[16:30:07] Juski: but I'm moving distro tomorrow.. or at least trying it
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[16:31:35] Chicago: I'll go ahead and try it with the use flags for ivtv... I'd like to see if my /lib/modules directory is gonna get screwed up because I already have .7 ivtv installed... I also wonder if myth will have a hard time finding the firmware for ivtv where I put it for v7 already.
[16:31:57] sigger: has the ui for mythmusic changed much in 0.20?
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[16:32:35] opello: ivtv doesn't seem to be in the IUSE? http://tinyurl.com/m8g8y (the ebuild)
[16:33:10] Chicago: hehe... silly me. If I ~x86 keyword ivtv for gentoo... it will use .7
[16:34:24] quicksilver: sigger: no
[16:34:32] robert83a1: hi, anyone using MythTV on CentOS 4.x ?
[16:34:33] quicksilver: sigger: not at all, I don't think
[16:34:33] sigger: :(
[16:34:52] xris: robert83a1: good luck finding packages for some of the requirements
[16:35:00] robert83a1: I'm only asking
[16:35:17] Chicago: robert83a1: Is CentOS 4.x on a 2.2 kernel?
[16:35:22] robert83a1: 2.6
[16:35:26] xris: robert83a1: other than that, there shouldn't be an issue
[16:35:53] robert83a1: ok, thank you
[16:36:06] godless: hi all, I've been unsuccessfully in getting mythtv to tune into channels which aren't in the 500hz range, my setup is a debian system with the ivtv drivers for a hauppage 350 card. I am having success in configuring channels that reside in the 500hz range, but others say in the 100hz etc range I can't tune to in the livetv mode, mythtv appears to switch but stays on the last working channel. Tnx for any insights
[16:36:35] xris: godless: what country?
[16:36:42] godless: xris, belgium
[16:36:58] xris: does xmltv pull in the correct freq table?
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[16:37:40] godless: xris, I manually configured the channels with the mythtv-setup program, I correlated them from the cable company's website and
[16:37:49] godless: xris, forget the and :)
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[16:38:46] godless: xris, I also made test channels with all the possible ways of writing down the frequency, ie the frequency itself, the nr, the letter+nr combination
[16:38:54] xris: godless: not sure what to say, then. in my experience, xmltv just worked, but I'm in the US, which doesn't help you much.
[16:39:05] xris: freq should be a number.
[16:40:47] godless: xris, true, US has it easy, in europe we tend to have the frequency's themselves listed but mythtv seems to use the US style internally, so after converting the channels from frequency to the channel nr type (europe-west) it still doesn't tune
[16:41:04] xris: godless: is there an xmltv for .be?
[16:41:11] godless: xris, channels in the 500hz rate tune with no problem
[16:41:34] xris: maybe your card is just bad?
[16:41:45] godless: xris, there is tv_grab_be ... but haven't got that working on amd64 yet
[16:42:18] godless: xris, I can manually tune with the ivtv utils provided, and I can tune in mythtv to 6 channels that are in the 500hz range
[16:42:57] xris: weird
[16:43:20] godless: xris, I haven't got a clue, if say it woudn't tune at all then I would understand, or if it would spit out errors or something then ... well I wouldn't be here :)
[16:44:03] godless: xris, google is also not helpfull
[16:45:03] xris: I'd say to try to get xmltv working
[16:45:45] godless: well ... xmltv is just to get the listings corresponding to the configured channels right ? well ... I first need to configure the channels
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[16:46:13] xris: it also gets the proper channel info
[16:46:40] promacuser: hmm, are people having difficulty with mythfilldatabase?
[16:46:42] godless: but I got the info from the cable comp ... and those work perfectly when tuning manually with the utils provided
[16:47:57] godless: xris, and I had it working once .... (tv_grab_be) ... and same result (was on an i386 system)
[16:48:10] godless: zx
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[16:48:15] godless: oops
[16:48:25] xris: godless: sounds like either a bug in mythtv or something really funky with your channel setup.
[16:49:10] godless: xris, then how to get this resolved ?
[16:49:55] promacuser: sorry, i'll just throw this out there: i'm getting this from mythfilldatabase
[16:49:56] promacuser: Resolving datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com... failed: Host not found.
[16:50:32] seth|laptop: looks like their server was down, I'd try again
[16:50:44] xris: godless: not sure. might help to see if other .be users haev the same trouble.
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[16:51:25] godless: xris, like I said, no help from google :( ie nothing found
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[16:52:56] xris: what distro?
[16:53:05] godless: xris, debian etch
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[16:57:02] xris: I'm tapped out. no clue.
[16:57:47] godless: xris, hmm, I found a strange line implying I have to multiply the nr by 16 ... but ... why do the other channels work then
[16:58:11] d3ity: mep
[16:58:15] d3ity: I'm so damn bored
[16:58:17] d3ity: class is beat
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[16:59:28] promacuser: any ideas on why i'm not filling my database?
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[17:01:07] promacuser: or what more info i can give you to help figure it out
[17:01:33] seth|laptop: promacuser, can you ping yahoo.com?
[17:01:42] Paladine: lets see how much I cock up my episode rip :)
[17:02:09] promacuser: seth|lapto: it shows up as unknown host
[17:03:04] Paladine: am gonna go cook dinner whilst dvd::rip does its magic bbiab
[17:03:30] seth|laptop: yahoo, or zap2it?
[17:03:34] seth|laptop: promacuser
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[17:05:08] promacuser: both
[17:05:17] promacuser: ping yahoo.com
[17:05:17] promacuser: ping: unknown host yahoo.com
[17:05:33] seth|laptop: check your interenet/network settings, doesn't look like your getting out to the net
[17:05:46] hobophobe: hey mplayer can't share the video overlay ability?
[17:05:48] seth|laptop: bash-3.00$ ping www.yahoo.com
[17:05:49] seth|laptop: www.yahoo.com is alive
[17:06:10] hobophobe: (ie, multiple instances, only the first will use the overlay/hardware, others will be forced to use software?)
[17:06:17] ShockValue: hi all, was wondering if someoen can help me get my soundcard working? When my computer boots it says ALSA: No soundcards found
[17:06:29] promacuser: seth: where do i look?
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[17:07:05] ShockValue: promacuser can you 'ping 209.131.36.158'  ?
[17:07:17] [BTF]Chm0d: anyone setup mythtv in ubuntu using wintv pvr 150?
[17:07:55] ShockValue: lspci gives me this: 00:1e.2 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01)
[17:08:13] promacuser: ping 209.131.36.158
[17:08:13] promacuser: connect: Network is unreachable
[17:08:36] ShockValue: ok, so its not just DNS, its your whole network setup thats not working :)
[17:09:32] promacuser: but that doesn't make sense because i'm SSHed into it from my laptop!
[17:09:40] promacuser: and i can ping local computers
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[17:10:16] ShockValue: when you do 'ifconfig' are the IP settings correct? how about the contents of /etc/resolv.conf
[17:10:17] seth|laptop: well the local network does not rely on /etc/resolv.conf. this file is needed for getting to the outside world
[17:10:21] godless: promacuser, hmm, it does, it just means it has no route to the net
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[17:12:55] promacuser: so, what should resolv.conf contain?
[17:13:08] ShockValue: nameserver <ip of your nameserver>
[17:13:14] ShockValue: at the very least
[17:13:15] seth|laptop: your internet service provider or your internal dns server ip's nameservers
[17:13:53] promacuser: search cable.rcn.com
[17:13:53] promacuser: nameserver 207.172.3.8
[17:13:53] promacuser: nameserver 207.172.3.9
[17:14:12] ShockValue: ping 207.172.3.8
[17:14:16] seth|laptop: then that should be in resolv.conf
[17:14:49] ShockValue: i sometimes have problems with DHCP putting that "search ....." line in resolve.conf. try taking that out
[17:14:57] seth|laptop: yes
[17:15:06] promacuser: can i comment that out?
[17:15:07] seth|laptop: or put it last
[17:15:23] promacuser: what's the comment character
[17:16:43] ShockValue: not sure what distro you're using, but I add these lines to my net config so it wont kill my resolve.conf each time i boot
[17:16:45] ShockValue: config_eth0=( "dhcp" )
[17:16:46] ShockValue: dhcp_eth0="nodns nontp nonis"
[17:17:14] Tronic_: ShockValue: The only function of that line is to save you some typing.
[17:17:58] Tronic_: ShockValue: I.e. instead of foobar.your.department.tld, you can use foobar if you have your.department.tld in search, or foobar.your, if you have department.tld in search.
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[17:18:15] Tronic_: Full domain names will work perfectly fine even if you remove the line.
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[17:18:27] promacuser: so what is the comment character?
[17:18:33] seth|laptop: I wouldn't comment it out, I would move it to the end of the statement, at the bottom of the file, although OI am not sure you really need it. The comment is done by using '#' without the single quotes
[17:18:45] Tronic_: # normally in UNIX config files.
[17:18:45] promacuser: ok
[17:19:01] promacuser: then the next question is how do i make the changes take effect?
[17:19:05] ShockValue: really? weird. the net effect of that line for me is that it doesnt touch my resolv.conf anymore.. at least, that what it seemed to do :)
[17:19:20] seth|laptop: just update resolv.conf, that should be automagic after this is done
[17:19:23] Tronic_: The world is full of b0rked DHCP clients.
[17:19:41] ShockValue: i think im using dhcpcd
[17:19:51] promacuser: still nothing
[17:20:09] seth|laptop: did you move it to the bottom, or comment it out?
[17:20:14] promacuser: both
[17:20:20] promacuser: i mean, each permutation of that
[17:20:31] seth|laptop: remove the comment, I have never seen a commented out line in a resolv.conf file
[17:20:33] promacuser: so, three thing
[17:20:36] promacuser: s
[17:20:41] promacuser: i tried it at the bottom
[17:20:46] promacuser: i even just removed it
[17:21:01] seth|laptop: which distro are you using?
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[17:21:07] promacuser: knoppmyth
[17:21:12] seth|laptop: dhclient eth0
[17:21:15] seth|laptop: run that
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[17:21:28] ShockValue: do the 2 IP addresses left in resolv.conf match to what you have on other machines on your network?
[17:21:29] promacuser: ok, what am i looking for?
[17:21:51] Darthy: i cant start minimyth 0.20. it tells me, that either it cannot mount the themes directory or it crashes after calculating the themecache. whats wrong?
[17:21:55] seth|laptop: just run this 'dhclient eth0'
[17:22:31] seth|laptop: you should see it throw some goodness up on the screen, and give you an ip address
[17:22:37] ShockValue: Darthy: are the mythtv themes installed?
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[17:23:09] promacuser: hmm, do you mind if i send the output here in one big chunk?
[17:23:32] seth|laptop: you could use pastebin.com
[17:23:38] seth|laptop: or maybe you cant
[17:24:02] seth|laptop: what kind of machine are you ssh'd in from, winders or linux, or mac
[17:24:23] promacuser: mac
[17:24:44] Darthy: these are my settings in the conf file: MM_THEME_NAME='G.A.N.T.', MM_THEMEOSD_NAME='blueosd', MM_THEME_URL='conf:themes/', MM_THEMEOSD_URL='conf:themes/', MM_THEMECACHE_URL='conf:themecaches/'
[17:24:47] seth|laptop: well I can't help you there, but it apparently has web access, so you can use pastebin.com
[17:24:58] promacuser: dhclient is still running, by the way
[17:25:02] Darthy: and i have the themecaches and themes dir in my conf directory
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[17:25:32] promacuser: oh and the DNS is the same in the files and on the mac
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[17:25:35] Juski: Darthy: like I said the other day I can't answer that til I try it myself
[17:25:46] promacuser: pastebin is taking forever
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[17:26:04] ShockValue: try pastebin.cc
[17:26:07] ShockValue: errr ca
[17:26:32] ShockValue: Darthy: weirdness :/
[17:26:46] promacuser: http://pastebin.ca/179905
[17:26:50] promacuser: that's as far as it has gotten
[17:27:06] Darthy: and i have another question. the new minimyth comes not with cramfs images anymore, but with ram images. how can i extract these ram images?
[17:27:13] Juski: fuck. can't install mythtv on ubuntu, can't uninstall it either
[17:27:32] Juski: Darthy: you've not read the changleog have you?
[17:27:41] Darthy: sure i have
[17:27:43] Juski: they use squashfs now not cramfs
[17:27:51] Darthy: ahh
[17:27:53] Juski: says so in the changelog.txt
[17:28:04] Darthy: ok.. i thought they used squashfs in older releases
[17:28:07] Darthy: thanx for info
[17:28:26] Juski: time to flatten ubuntu
[17:29:19] promacuser: actually, that appears to have locked it up
[17:30:44] BULLE: hi, im having problems getting any sound from mythv and my saa7134 based tv card
[17:31:26] BULLE: i can get sound, via mplayer
[17:31:30] Juski: BULLE: line input muted and the line input set to be recorded in alsamixer?
[17:31:38] BULLE: but when i try to configure mythbackend, all i get is static
[17:31:38] seth|laptop: well it will if you ran it from within an ssh session to that box, as it releases the current IP, and then gives it a new one, another reason why I don't like dhcp ;-)
[17:31:46] seth|laptop: you'll have to open a new ssh session
[17:32:16] BULLE: Juski: hmm, will have to check, but i woudl think that the mixer settings should be fine, asi can get sound via mplayer out of it ?
[17:32:33] Juski: BULLE: yet another case of not RTFM. never mind
[17:32:58] promacuser: seth: did you see what i posted on pastebin?
[17:33:02] BULLE: Juski: then please point me to the correct fine manual to read please, and i will happily do just that
[17:33:59] Juski: BULLE: mythtv records everything even in livetv, so if the line input isn't muted (the playback side of the mixer) you'll hear the 'live' input as well as what gets recorded. And you need to select the line input channel to be recorded so that mythtv records the audio through your soundcard
[17:35:03] BULLE: Juski: im using the saa7134 alsa module, from the docs about it, it shoudl give me, and gives me, a separate /dev/dsp ( via alsa oss emulation ) so i dont have to use the soundcards audio in and a loopback cable
[17:35:16] Juski: ahhh I see.
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[17:35:19] BULLE: Juski: or have i missunderstood that part, i do get sound this way, in mplayer, from /dev/dsp1
[17:35:33] BULLE: when setting sound device to /dev/dsp1 in mythbackend config, i dont get any sound
[17:35:52] Juski: it might be that the tuner isn't being un-muted by mythtv. seen a lot of this
[17:36:05] BULLE: yes, that was my guess aswell,
[17:36:20] Juski: you could need the v4lctl command, which generally comes with xawtv IIRC
[17:36:39] BULLE: Juski: i have that installed ( xawtv )
[17:36:57] BULLE: Juski: but how do i tell mythtv to issue the correct v4lctl command, when starting live tv or recording ?
[17:37:04] [BTF]Chm0d: > can anyone help with this error?
[17:37:08] [BTF]Chm0d: > make[1]: Entering directory `/home/rich/Desktop/ivtv-0.4.6/driver'
[17:37:12] [BTF]Chm0d: > make -C /lib/modules/2.6.15-26–386/build M=/home/rich/Desktop/ivtv-0.4.6/driver modules
[17:37:16] [BTF]Chm0d: > make: Entering an unknown directory
[17:37:20] [BTF]Chm0d: > make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.15-26–386/build: No such file or directory. Stop.
[17:37:20] [BTF]Chm0d: > make: Leaving an unknown directory
[17:37:21] [BTF]Chm0d: > make[1]: *** [all] Error 2
[17:37:21] [BTF]Chm0d: > make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/rich/Desktop/ivtv-0.4.6/driver'
[17:37:21] [BTF]Chm0d: > make: *** [all] Error 2
[17:37:37] Juski: BULLE: just to have it put in a bootup script would be enough
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[17:37:45] hobophobe: [BTF]Chm0d, you should use pastebin.ca or another paste site for pastes larger than a couple lines, it is rude to paste all that
[17:37:52] Juski: [BTF]Chm0d: www.pastebin.ca
[17:38:01] BULLE: Juski: nah, sadly it doesnt, i have tried that
[17:38:11] [BTF]Chm0d: sorry
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[17:38:41] Juski: BULLE: it should be enough to do that, unless you have other apps use the tuner
[17:39:14] hobophobe: [BTF]Chm0d, it looks like the module build environment hasn't been configured or such? Not sure.. what distro?
[17:39:17] BULLE: well, i have issued the v4ctl command, start mythbackend and frontend, try to get sound, dont get any sound, exit the frontend, start mplayer, i get sound
[17:39:24] Anduin: [BTF]Chm0d: You lack kernel-devel or whatever your distro calls it
[17:39:37] claybo: Hey everyone. I'm using 0.20 right now, and hadn't tried playing back HD until now... it's eating up basically 100% CPU on a Sempron 3200+ and XvMC (using a GeForce 6200). Video and audio is stuttering. It wasn't like this on 0.19 — is this something in my settings, or something I can fix?
[17:40:37] Juski: BULLE: try tunning mythbackend in a terminal & see if it reports any errors
[17:40:50] BULLE: it doesnt
[17:40:54] BULLE: i have tried that
[17:41:12] BULLE: as i was supecting there might be permission issues on the /dev entries
[17:41:22] hobophobe: claybo try changing the player settings? what does it have by -vo ?
[17:41:32] [BTF]Chm0d: hobophobe: this distro is ubunto 6.06 i think
[17:42:06] hobophobe: [BTF]Chm0d, how are you installing ivtv? from a package?
[17:42:06] Honk^away: heh.. i finally got xawtv working (kinda.. i dont have any sound) and the picture is ok in there :)
[17:42:07] [BTF]Chm0d: guess i can use synaptic to install the kernel devel
[17:42:22] [BTF]Chm0d: yea i downloaded it from their site
[17:42:32] Juski: well I g2g be a taxi for a while...
[17:42:48] seth|laptop: promacuser, is there more to the output, did it ever aquire an address?
[17:42:50] Honk^away: (my picture quality in mythtv is incredibly bad (http://134.106.144.92/files/pvr.mpg) on a pvr 500mce
[17:43:42] hobophobe: [BTF]Chm0d, to build the ivtv module you should probably use module-assistant, but you'll need kernel-devel too. module-assistant will let you first prepare the build environment and then build the module and then install it.
[17:44:29] [BTF]Chm0d: i get module-assistand from synaptic as well?
[17:45:11] ** Honk^away pokes quicksilver **
[17:45:12] Honk^away: :p
[17:45:29] claybo: hobophobe, it's the internal MythTV player that plays back HD poorly.
[17:47:12] [BTF]Chm0d: how do i use module-assistant once installed?
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[17:47:50] seth|laptop: promacuser look here: http://pastebin.ca/179938
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[17:48:50] Chicago: Hey... Myth v0.2000 on gentoo installed successfully here. :) with the ivtv use flag. ;)
[17:49:01] promacuser: seth: no, it never really finished
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[17:49:06] promacuser: it just hung there
[17:49:18] promacuser: i need to get going to class, but i'll be back here later tomorrow or something
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[17:49:38] galorin: got a question about reception.. only hapens on one channel. I get the (LMS) Lock pretty quickly, but then just a black screen and no audio. Should I pastebin the log?
[17:51:31] [BTF]Chm0d: how do i use module-assistant?
[17:56:23] hobophobe: simply type module-assistant
[17:56:57] hobophobe: It will bring up a text-based gui which will allow you to select prepare, and then go to the module list and move down to ivtv and select it, then it will let you build and install it
[17:58:49] [BTF]Chm0d: its not seeing ivtv
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[17:58:51] [BTF]Chm0d: for a module
[17:59:57] hobophobe: You should install the ivtv source package via apt or synaptic; it will put it in the proper location so that module-assistant will see it
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[18:00:10] [BTF]Chm0d: k ill give that a try
[18:00:11] [BTF]Chm0d: thx
[18:01:02] gentoo-user7184: I was wondering if any anyone could help. I am trying to a way to transcode a mythtv tv recording into a divx ai file. And along with that still be able to play the file from watch recordings menu
[18:01:12] gentoo-user7184: Is this possible?
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[18:01:42] hobophobe: 7184, that should be possible, but I've not tried it.
[18:02:12] [BTF]Chm0d: hmm still doesn't how up
[18:02:45] hobophobe: try the update and prepare options of module-assistant?
[18:02:52] [BTF]Chm0d: if i use apt what is the correct command to isntall it? apt-get install ivtv?
[18:03:29] Honk^away: what can i do to get a proper image in mythtv from my pvr-500? i get this rubbish: http://134.106.144.92/files/pvr.mpg – in xawtv the image is ok :]
[18:03:46] [BTF]Chm0d: yea i just tried updating and prepare
[18:03:48] [BTF]Chm0d: no go
[18:03:49] [BTF]Chm0d: hmm
[18:04:08] hobophobe: first do apt-get update to make sure your listing is up to date, then apt-cache search ivtv and it will list ivtv related packages. In debian the package is ivtv-source, while ivtv is the package for utilities to work with the module.
[18:04:41] [BTF]Chm0d: k
[18:06:08] [BTF]Chm0d: hobophobe: i get this after search libvideo-ivtv-perl – Perl extension for using V4l2 in the ivtv perl scripts
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[18:07:38] hobophobe: none others listed?
[18:07:54] [BTF]Chm0d: just that 1
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[18:14:01] ** simcop2387 cant wait until all things are done with mythui, once they are i'm going to write a new channel browser that works alot like the one on my parents old old old (like from 1995) direct tv reciever works, you browse the channels by their icons (or call letters if no icon) and it shows the show that is on there, great way to go to a specific channel without having to know the number of it **
[18:15:02] gentoo-user7184: I was wondering if any anyone could help. I am trying to a way to transcode a mythtv tv recording into a divx ai file. And along with that still be able to play the file from watch recordings menu
[18:15:43] gentoo-user7184: I know u can use nuvexport to convert.. butthe problem getting it to remain in watch recordings lisiting
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[18:16:10] BULLE: gentoo-user7184: nuvexport shouldnt remove it from teh watch recordings listing afaik, atleast doesnt for me
[18:16:26] BULLE: gentoo-user7184: you can just pickt he correct file and use mencoder or similar transcoder from the commandline
[18:16:38] hobophobe: [BTF]Chm0d, http://www.hellion.org.uk/debian/pool/i/ivtv0 . . . .0-1_all.deb < this should work, dpkg -i it after you download, then run module-assistant again
[18:16:51] gentoo-user7184: but mythtv will still use the original file
[18:17:05] gentoo-user7184: in the watch recordings correct?
[18:19:40] bagpuss_thecat: am I right in thinking that MythTV 0.20 has a new internal playback engine?
[18:19:43] [BTF]Chm0d: ty hobophobe
[18:19:51] hobophobe: no problem
[18:20:33] [BTF]Chm0d: hobophobe: when i click on your link its asking what i want to open it with
[18:20:52] hobophobe: just save it to disk?
[18:21:02] [BTF]Chm0d: doesn't give me3 that option
[18:21:15] hobophobe: okay, copy the link, open a term, and wget <paste link>
[18:21:24] [BTF]Chm0d: thx
[18:21:27] hobophobe: wget is great, will save any url to the file
[18:21:31] bagpuss_thecat: for some reason video playback on my ATI card is really choppy, with dropped frames and lag
[18:21:43] bagpuss_thecat: (video/tv playback in Myth)
[18:22:16] hobophobe: bagpuss_thecat, probably an overlay issue. Do you have 3d accel supported driver?
[18:22:40] gentoo-user7184: does anyone how how to change the file location of a recording in mythtv
[18:22:54] [BTF]Chm0d: when i use wget where does it save it too?
[18:22:59] seth|laptop: tv, video, or music
[18:23:04] bagpuss_thecat: hobophobe: not quite sure, it's the fugly fglrx driver. I'll run xvinfo once the machine has finished booting
[18:23:51] hobophobe: bagpuss_thecat, fglrx does if you've got the kernel module.
[18:24:11] bagpuss_thecat: that'll be a no then
[18:24:19] gentoo-user7184: tv recordings
[18:24:19] ** bagpuss_thecat thought he had the kernel module installed **
[18:24:26] ** bagpuss_thecat fires up module-assistant **
[18:24:44] gentoo-user7184: change the filename of tv recording
[18:25:15] bagpuss_thecat: oh hell, it's running in Vesa mode
[18:25:30] hobophobe: that should take care of it.. a thing I learned today is that with xv you can't generally have multiple pipes to the video card, but with opengl you can so I promptly changed my mythtv player's setting to -vo gl instead of -vo xv :o)
[18:25:32] ** bagpuss_thecat moved from Debian Unstable just to avoid this... **
[18:25:39] bagpuss_thecat: ahem
[18:25:44] hobophobe: vesa? hm
[18:25:46] ** bagpuss_thecat moved from Debian Unstable to Ubuntu just to avoid this... **
[18:26:10] hobophobe: I'm on unstable, on an ATI with fglrx, not sure what you are avoiding?
[18:26:10] bagpuss_thecat: hobophobe: yeah, the xorg.conf driver is set to vesa
[18:26:15] hobophobe: oh
[18:26:15] gentoo-user7184: i hav read about myth.rebuilddatabase.pl in .20
[18:26:20] [BTF]Chm0d: after i wget this url where does it save the download?
[18:26:35] hobophobe: [BTF]Chm0d, current directory, probably your user's home directory
[18:26:46] [BTF]Chm0d: hmm no i checked hehe
[18:26:56] bagpuss_thecat: hobophobe: ach, I dist-upgraded one day, and found that my nova-t and audio all failed to work after the reboo (kernel upgrade)
[18:26:57] sphery: gentoo-user7184: mythrename.pl changes filenames
[18:27:08] hobophobe: [BTF]Chm0d, what directory were you in when you issued wget?
[18:27:34] sphery: gentoo-user7184: However, if you're trying to get MythTV to use a different file for the named recording, you'll have to use myth.rebuilddatabase.pl to insert a new recording
[18:27:43] [BTF]Chm0d: my desktop
[18:27:44] hobophobe: bagpuss_thecat, ah yeah, well they don't call it unstable for nothing. Generally when stuff breaks I just downgrade it for a few days to a week until they've fixed it.
[18:27:46] [BTF]Chm0d: but its not there either
[18:27:51] gentoo-user7184: so if u were to use nuvexport and creat an .avi can u use mythrename.pl to change file names
[18:28:09] sphery: Paladine: Don't know if you got an answer, but EXECTV is only for executing an application that "steals" one of Myth's capture cards.
[18:28:12] hobophobe: [BTF]Chm0d, you left the term open while it downloaded right? it shouldn't have just disappeared..
[18:28:50] [BTF]Chm0d: i got it
[18:28:51] [BTF]Chm0d: sorry
[18:28:54] hobophobe: cool
[18:28:57] gentoo-user7184: can u use the data myth already has form the new file?
[18:28:58] [BTF]Chm0d: <-dumbass
[18:29:01] gentoo-user7184: for**
[18:29:16] Paladine: sphery yeah Captain_Murdoch explained to use EXEC for other apps
[18:29:31] sphery: Paladine: For other apps (like Firefox), use EXEC (which doesn't mark a capture card as unavailable). There's an example of it in the same file as the example of EXECTV
[18:29:34] sphery: OK.
[18:29:37] sphery: Too slow typing.
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[18:30:49] sphery: gentoo-user7184: While you could just copy an avi file on top of the file MythTV recorded (which would mean Myth would /try/ to use the new file, instead),
[18:31:18] sphery: gentoo-user7184: you don't want to because Myth sets up information about the recording (not just information about the program) when it records the file.
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[18:31:53] sphery: gentoo-user7184: So, if you want to put in a new recording, you need to use something like myth.rebuilddatabase.pl followed by mythcommflag --rebuild (to build the appropriate seek information)
[18:32:01] hobophobe: gentoo-user7184, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/224136#224136  ?
[18:32:22] sphery: gentoo-user7184: And, if the file you're inserting is /not/ a normal MythTV recording, you'd have to use mythcommflag's --video flag to say it's a non-Myth video file.
[18:32:48] sphery: But, the easiest thing is to just put non-Myth videos in the MythVideo directory and watch them from there...
[18:32:49] gentoo-user7184: alright
[18:32:59] [BTF]Chm0d: hey hobophobe
[18:33:08] hobophobe: What's up?
[18:33:23] [BTF]Chm0d: im at the point in module-ass its asking me to build or install i should build first correct?
[18:33:28] gentoo-user7184: yea true.. but i mean i alright have about 30 movies
[18:33:44] gentoo-user7184: i already have**
[18:34:00] sphery: gentoo-user7184: Yeah. That post is exactly right--use MythVideo, instead.  :)
[18:34:07] hobophobe: I think that install builds it and installs it, but yeah go ahead and build it to make sure there's no errors and then it'll probably ask (after it finishes building) if you want to go ahead and install
[18:34:21] [BTF]Chm0d: ty
[18:34:36] sphery: I like to keep my movies (that I might keep long term and watch over and over) in MythVideo (with a category that's set on my default filter for gallery view)
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[18:34:50] [BTF]Chm0d: installed failed
[18:34:54] sphery: But TV recordings--that I'll only watch once--go in MythTV
[18:35:05] [BTF]Chm0d: it says something to the affect i may need to add something to my source.list?
[18:35:09] sphery: keeps my archive of good shows clean
[18:35:41] hobophobe: ah okay, sounds like there's a dependency not met. Does it tell what to add?
[18:35:46] sphery: Paladine: Guess there's no example of EXEC--only EXECTV. But it works the same (just doesn't have any arguments for capture card, etc.)
[18:35:47] ChrisSmol: anyone here have any experience with ixmicro/turbotv 848 based cards?
[18:36:16] [BTF]Chm0d: i just went into synaptic and checked community and non free
[18:36:20] [BTF]Chm0d: see what happenes
[18:36:46] Paladine: sphery did you see the addition I made to the wishlist for menu mode?
[18:37:02] gentoo-user7184: In mythvideo can u make a directory? Like have TV show with them listed?
[18:37:04] Darthy: does someone know if theres a new minimyth.conf file in version 0.20 ? it seems to be missing on my installation and i have problems mounting the themes/themecaches dir using mm_mount or something like this
[18:37:30] gentoo-user7184: just a random question i thought i'd throw out there
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[18:38:10] [BTF]Chm0d: hmm binary package for my kernel could not be found?
[18:38:59] hobophobe: What said that, [BTF]Chm0d?
[18:39:08] [BTF]Chm0d: module-assistant
[18:39:29] hobophobe: when you tried to install?
[18:39:49] [BTF]Chm0d: yea
[18:39:55] hobophobe: try building it again?
[18:40:07] [BTF]Chm0d: yea
[18:40:10] [BTF]Chm0d: :)
[18:41:43] [BTF]Chm0d: when i try to prepare in module assistant i get an error that it couldn't find Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.15-26–386
[18:41:51] Paladine: wow 3 hours to transcode 1 episode of 24 from dvd
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[18:42:35] seth|laptop: thats a bit much Good transcode of Nanny McPhee 2.5hrs, with ac3 audio encoded
[18:42:51] seth|laptop: sorry that was 3.5hrs
[18:42:56] Paladine: I have this set to the highest settings
[18:42:58] hobophobe: [BTF]Chm0d, okay, you'll need to install the linux headers for your kernel, try update on mod assistant and if that doesn't do it you'll have to use synaptic or apt
[18:43:13] Paladine: and I have kept it at full size too
[18:43:19] Paladine: instead of shrinking the size
[18:43:21] [BTF]Chm0d: update didn't work im trying synaptic
[18:43:51] Paladine: transcoding to xvid4 1GB file size
[18:44:10] Paladine: probably not saving much from if I was to just transcode to regular mpeg2
[18:44:28] Paladine: I guess one episode in mpeg2 isprobably only 1.5GB tops
[18:45:01] Honk^away: what kind of episodes are that? :P
[18:45:20] Honk^away: 1gb mpeg4 is quite a bit for <1h
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[18:45:57] Paladine: I wantedgood quality
[18:47:19] Honk^away: you'll prolly have way more distortions from your tv-signal than from the encoding anyway :P
[18:47:46] Paladine: they are not recorded from tv
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[18:47:54] Paladine: they are original dvd's
[18:47:54] Honk^away: oh right
[18:47:55] Honk^away: dvd rip
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[18:48:20] Honk^away: 1gb is still a bit much if you ask me :P
[18:48:29] Paladine: well I am still experimenting
[18:48:37] Honk^away: you should try 500mb too
[18:48:44] Honk^away: and check if there's really much of a difference =)
[18:48:53] Paladine: thats exaqctly what I am gonna do :)
[18:49:00] Honk^away: (I'm talking about ~40 minute episodes btw)
[18:49:11] Paladine: 49 minute episode this
[18:49:21] Honk^away: close enough =)
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[18:49:36] marmoset: Is it possible to have custom filters only happen on specific resolutions or on recordings done on specific tuners? I don't have the CPU to do it on HDTV, but really want it on the SD recordings.
[18:49:39] Paladine: I was a bit woried putting it to as low as 500MB with me not resizing the stream
[18:50:04] Honk^away: aw well.. you can try ;)
[18:50:05] Paladine: if I had resized it to 50% then yeah I wouldn't be concerned
[18:50:28] Paladine: but I will run a couple of different tests on this episode and see how they work out
[18:50:45] Paladine: then choose the most economical that still has decent quality
[18:51:35] Honk^away: very good decision :)
[18:51:56] Honk^away: btw.. (i just gotta try this again :D): what can i do to get a proper image in mythtv from my pvr-500? i get this rubbish: http://134.106.144.92/files/pvr.mpg – in xawtv the image is ok :]
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[18:54:52] [BTF]Chm0d: oopsie daisy
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[18:55:31] spiderworm: hey all, i have a question about the PVR-500
[18:55:37] hobophobe: [BTF]Chm0d, ?
[18:55:42] hobophobe: oh, disconnect
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[18:55:56] spiderworm: ive had mine for awhile and i always thought that i had to have two coaxle cables plugged into the back of it
[18:55:57] ** xris has several answers about the pvr-500 **
[18:56:12] spiderworm: but i just unplugged one and both tuners still work
[18:56:16] xris: pretty sure one is input and the other is out
[18:56:26] spiderworm: that would explain it
[18:56:31] spiderworm: man i feel stupid :D
[18:56:39] xris: they're not labeled?
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[18:56:50] hobophobe: You should feel smart, just learned something :o)
[18:57:14] spiderworm: well the reason i was playing around with it... for some reason i'm getting some nasty artifacts with tuner 1 but not tuner 2
[18:57:27] spiderworm: do you know what could be causing that xris?
[18:57:39] Honk^away: does the 500 even have 2 coax in?
[18:57:43] Honk^away: mine has 1 ;)
[18:57:54] xris: spiderworm: recording profiles are the same?
[18:57:56] spiderworm: Honk^away: i guess i thought the coax out was a coax in
[18:58:12] Honk^away: the plug is different though
[18:58:28] bolty: one is for the fm radio i think
[18:59:38] Honk^away: that's a different plug too =)
[18:59:39] bolty: the top coax is for the radio tuner
[18:59:49] Honk^away: coax out, not in :P
[19:00:00] bolty: at least on mine it is
[19:00:21] spiderworm: xris: i cant find where to change the recording profile on a per-tuner basis
[19:00:23] spiderworm: where is that/
[19:00:50] [BTF]Chm0d: sorry hobophobe
[19:00:55] [BTF]Chm0d: tryin to figure it out :(
[19:01:00] xris: spiderworm: I don't think that should matter.
[19:01:21] spiderworm: in the recording profiles section in tv settings i only see MPEG-2 Encoders and Transcoders
[19:01:22] hobophobe: [BTF]Chm0d, what's the latest? You got the headers installed?
[19:01:27] xris: spiderworm: always the first tuner with problems?
[19:01:36] spiderworm: i think the MPEG-2 Encoders is for both tuners
[19:01:41] xris: maybe it's a driver bug?
[19:01:41] spiderworm: xris: yes, always the first
[19:01:48] ** xris is just grasping at straws now. **
[19:01:57] [BTF]Chm0d: yes ive installed the headers but still get the error that assistant cannot find them when i prepare
[19:03:16] krisp_: my mpeg2 tuner misses about 5 pixels worth of picture on the left edge
[19:03:30] krisp_: can see the vertical black line in the preview pane on recordings and when watching live tv
[19:03:50] krisp_: anyone know if the ivtv driver has some sort of x/y positioning options or anything like that
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[19:05:33] spiderworm: xris: do you think it could be something stupid like my card not being pushed all the way into the slot or something?
[19:05:48] hobophobe: [BTF]Chm0d, I think it is because it is looking for the package as named by debian instead of ubuntu, just a sec.
[19:06:00] [BTF]Chm0d: k
[19:06:01] ** bagpuss_thecat sighs **
[19:06:08] bagpuss_thecat: last time I ever buy an ATI
[19:06:12] [BTF]Chm0d: LOL
[19:06:24] bagpuss_thecat: at least nvidia stuff works most of the time
[19:06:27] hobophobe: bagpuss_thecat, my sentiments as well unless the ATI/AMD merger gets them to open source it
[19:06:32] [BTF]Chm0d: well not really funny but i was in same situation
[19:06:34] [BTF]Chm0d: i hate ati
[19:07:05] bagpuss_thecat: I really liked this Shuttle htpc, until I installed it...
[19:07:29] bagpuss_thecat: that's what I get for not doing my research
[19:08:01] xris: spiderworm: not likely
[19:08:18] bolty: bagpuss, shuttles arent always what they are cracked out to be. What probs you having?
[19:08:35] xris: sounds more likely that the driver or mythtv isn't properly setting the bitrate info
[19:08:54] bagpuss_thecat: bolty: well, the primary fan header packed in a couple of months ago
[19:09:12] bagpuss_thecat: and then ATI decided to upgrade their driver and break any versions of Xorg
[19:09:15] bolty: yhea.. wait till the power supply blows
[19:09:17] ChrisSmol: i have a quick (maybe) question: my video capture card is ntsc, but the tuner chip is a TDA5737, which seems to be used for PAL? what tuner type should i select.
[19:09:29] bagpuss_thecat: bolty: joy
[19:09:47] bolty: bagpuss, buy one now while your model is still fresh
[19:10:01] bagpuss_thecat: that bad then?
[19:10:06] bagpuss_thecat: the model is about a eyar old now
[19:10:10] bagpuss_thecat: ST62K
[19:10:16] bolty: they are hard to find, especially when they get older
[19:10:30] bolty: they are crap too. Small fans get clogged
[19:10:35] ** bagpuss_thecat considers drop kicking it out on to the main road, and calling the hosuehold insurance people... **
[19:10:40] spiderworm: xris: well actually i do get a lot of dmesg errors: ivtv0 warning: Bitrate too high, adjusted 15mbit, see mpeg specs
[19:10:44] hobophobe: [BTF]Chm0d, the package does exist, could be a problem with sources.list
[19:10:53] spiderworm: xris: i'll try fixing that and see if it improves things
[19:11:04] bagpuss_thecat: I've still not called them up with a suitable explanation for the nitromethane stains on the bath...
[19:11:08] [BTF]Chm0d: you know what i should add to it?
[19:12:14] xq: Hi. I'm a newbie to using Linux and MythTV, anybody who would like to help me? I think the database isn't set up and I think I need the mc.sql file but I can't find it?
[19:12:28] hobophobe: [BTF]Chm0d, that's what I don't understand. If apt or synaptic find the package there's no reason module-assistant shouldn't.
[19:12:33] spiderworm: hmmm what do i set the bitrate to? both bitrate and max bitrate are set to 1600
[19:12:44] [BTF]Chm0d: :(
[19:13:21] hobophobe: do you have security checked in synaptic?
[19:15:41] [BTF]Chm0d: yea i think so
[19:15:49] [BTF]Chm0d: here is what i get
[19:15:50] [BTF]Chm0d: http://pastebin.ca/180022
[19:17:10] hobophobe: [BTF]Chm0d, apt-cache search linux-headers-2.6.15-26–386 ?
[19:17:44] [BTF]Chm0d: i just checked a bunch of things in repositories
[19:18:54] [BTF]Chm0d: hmm doing apt-cache for that didn't do anything
[19:19:18] hobophobe: what about 'universe' is that checked in repositories?
[19:19:31] [BTF]Chm0d: yes
[19:19:57] hobophobe: alternatively you can just download the deb straight from the website and install manually (dpkg -i) though I'm not sure if assistant tries to download again anyway or not
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[19:20:48] [BTF]Chm0d: you install it manually using dpkg -i?
[19:20:49] hobophobe: http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l . . . .47_i386.deb
[19:22:00] [BTF]Chm0d: cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[19:22:33] hobophobe: what says that?
[19:22:47] [BTF]Chm0d: when i dgkp -i
[19:22:58] hobophobe: dpkg -i (file.deb) sorry
[19:23:06] hobophobe: you have to specify the file
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[19:23:32] [BTF]Chm0d: i also clicked on your url and i get an error saying this error dependicies are not satisfiable
[19:23:40] [BTF]Chm0d: hehe i did type the file ;P
[19:23:45] hobophobe: hmm
[19:23:48] [BTF]Chm0d: im not that retarded hehe
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[19:25:45] hobophobe: there's some sort of problem with your sources.list is my guess. try pasting it pastebin and ask in #ubuntu they should be able to clear that up and it should solve the whole issue
[19:25:58] [BTF]Chm0d: k
[19:26:01] [BTF]Chm0d: will do that
[19:26:02] [BTF]Chm0d: th
[19:26:03] [BTF]Chm0d: x
[19:26:28] [BTF]Chm0d: where is source.list located in the file structure?
[19:27:53] hobophobe: /etc/apt/sources.list I believe
[19:29:05] [BTF]Chm0d: yes i found it thx
[19:29:20] [BTF]Chm0d: here is the link to it if you want to check it out compared to yours or whatever http://pastebin.ca/180041
[19:29:51] ChrisSmol: should i be specifying the tuner type when i load the bttv module?
[19:31:10] BULLE: ChrisSmol: if it doesnt work if you dont
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[19:31:50] ChrisSmol: if i try to specify it when loading tuner using modprobe i get an error
[19:32:33] BULLE: does it all work, if you dont specify it ?
[19:32:42] ChrisSmol: once today it was kinda receiving a channel, looks like it was mistuned. that is the best i have done with iut
[19:33:40] ChrisSmol: if i just modprobe bttv card=9, then i get an error in dmesg that the PLL failed
[19:34:03] ChrisSmol: when i try to view tv, i get a mostly green screen with some lines of static at the top
[19:34:58] ChrisSmol: if i don't spec card=9 then i get bttv0: using tuner=-1 (which doesn't look too good)
[19:35:49] ChrisSmol: the docs seem to imply that i should be able to pass type=N to tuner, but that doesn't seem to work?
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[19:39:15] ChrisSmol: i can't even seem to re-create the combination that sorta displayed a picture
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[19:40:24] ChrisSmol: when i run lsmod, tuner isn't shown as being used, is that normal?
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[19:45:48] jason2343: I believe Mythtv is ignoring my finetune settings in mythtv-setup. I set a fine tune setting of +34 khz for channel 5 and +36 khz for channel 6. When I use these settings in tvtime the picture is fine however in mythtv the picture is black/white with staticky sound (only occurs on these two channels as they need to be manually tuned). I see the same picture in tvtime before using tuning the picture. I'm using mythtv .20
[19:46:26] jason2343: the problem isn't a weak signal as i'm using a motorola 15db amp and i'm not even using a splitter at the moment
[19:48:51] Honk^away: btw.. (i just gotta try this again :D): what can i do to get a proper image in mythtv from my pvr-500? i get this rubbish: http://134.106.144.92/files/pvr.mpg – in xawtv the image is ok :]
[19:50:18] hobophobe: [BTF]Chm0d, what do you get for uname -a ? In synaptic what is the linux-headers that's installed (version number) ?
[19:52:28] Anduin: jason2343: -v channel and you can see the base frequency that your finetune is added to
[19:53:18] ChrisSmol: any simple utility i can run to check out that bttv is working correctly, before messing with mythtv?
[19:53:41] Anduin: ChrisSmol: tvtime
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[19:56:17] hobophobe: Honk^away, it looks to me that it is _between_ two channels. You can see one content (tennis) and another (poker) at same time, correct? May need fine tuning similar to what it sounds like jasonwc is trying to do?
[19:56:38] kormoc: could be bad channel sets
[19:56:56] Anduin: exactly, check frequency tables first
[19:58:31] ChrisSmol: ok, thanks, trying it now
[19:59:00] [BTF]Chm0d: blah i give up
[19:59:06] [BTF]Chm0d: i can't find any info
[19:59:09] [BTF]Chm0d: about it
[19:59:53] [BTF]Chm0d: hobophobe: i get this using uname -a Linux Ubuntu 2.6.15-26–386 #1 PREEMPT Thu Aug 3 02:52:00 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[20:00:32] jasonwc: Anduin: where would i use that command?
[20:00:42] jasonwc: Anduin: i mean- for tvtime or mythtv?
[20:00:55] [BTF]Chm0d: and this in synaptic Linux kernel headers 2.6.15 on 386
[20:01:01] Anduin: jasonwc: when you start the backend, it will enable verbose channel logging
[20:01:11] jasonwc: oh, i see
[20:02:53] jasonwc: it just says channel 1005 and 1006
[20:03:04] jasonwc: like any other channel when i went to 4 it showed 1004
[20:05:27] Anduin: jasonwc: There will be a line in the log that will say: Channel(device)::TuneTo(channum): curList[i].freq(freq)
[20:05:55] ChrisSmol: weird. i selected tuner=33 which results in "tuner 3–0061: microtune unknown found, not (yet?) supported, sorry :-/" yet i am seeing video now, ch 17.
[20:06:15] ChrisSmol: must have accidently set the PLL to something close to a channel
[20:06:16] hobophobe: [BTF]Chm0d, remove the headers and try with apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.15-26–386?
[20:06:26] hobophobe: [BTF]Chm0d, it really _should_ work :o/
[20:06:43] [BTF]Chm0d: hehe ok will try that
[20:08:03] hobophobe: the only thing that seemed a possible problem with your sources.list was some entries are archive.ubuntu instead of us.archive.ubuntu.com but I don't think that should make a difference (unless the two are mirrors and out of sync)
[20:08:20] [BTF]Chm0d: hmm
[20:08:25] [BTF]Chm0d: ok lemme try apt-get
[20:08:44] jasonwc: Anduin: i ran the backend with the command "mythbackend -v 5" but it doesn't show any verbose information about tuning. it shows information about connecting to the mythconverg mysql database and about scheduling as well as the channels i've watched (shows 1004, 1005, and 1006) but that's it
[20:09:12] [BTF]Chm0d: hehe E: Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.15-26–386
[20:10:03] [BTF]Chm0d: just for shits and giggles how can i edit my sources.list?
[20:10:03] Anduin: jasonwc: -v channel
[20:10:27] jasonwc: Anduin: ah, sorry- i thought i had to use the channel #- my mistake
[20:11:44] hobophobe: [BTF]Chm0d, you should be able to through synaptic or alternatively use gksu gedit /etc/apt/sources.list (it'll prompt for your root password)
[20:12:16] [BTF]Chm0d: k
[20:12:34] bagpuss_thecat: hobophobe: does your ati setup have dri enabled?
[20:13:20] hobophobe: I believe so
[20:14:06] jasonwc: Anduin: the frequency is 77250
[20:14:28] jasonwc: on a line below that it says 77250000
[20:14:29] bagpuss_thecat: (WW) fglrx(0): DRI is not supported on Radeon 9000/9100 IGP (RS300/RS350) hardware.
[20:14:46] bagpuss_thecat: which is utter lies, cos I had XV working on that same machine earlier
[20:15:24] Anduin: jasonwc: Yeah, internal just as Hz
[20:15:41] jasonwc: Anduin: it looks like it's adding the finetune and then reverting back- it says 77250, after that 7728400, and finally 77250000
[20:16:34] hobophobe: bagpuss_thecat, "There is a tool called driconf that has an option to enable s3tc extensions." someone with the same error http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=477178
[20:16:34] jasonwc: and 77284–77250 is indeed 34
[20:16:41] [BTF]Chm0d: sigh
[20:16:56] jasonwc: Anduin: any idea what it's doing?
[20:17:30] hobophobe: [BTF]Chm0d, what does apt-cache search linux-headers reveal (use pastebin if necessary)?
[20:17:30] Anduin: jasonwc: It prints the unaltered one a few times, the final one is Channel(device)::Tune(freq, input, modulation)
[20:19:28] [BTF]Chm0d: http://pastebin.ca/180069
[20:20:01] hobophobe: linux-headers-2.6.15-26–386 this one
[20:20:21] bagpuss_thecat: hobophobe: cheers
[20:20:45] hobophobe: hmm...now I'm really confused
[20:20:49] jasonwc: Anduin: 2006-09–22 16:19:38.888 Channel(/dev/video0)::TuneTo(5): curList[3].freq(77250)
[20:21:11] hobophobe: <[BTF]Chm0d> hehe E: Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.15-26–386 yet it showed up in that apt-cache search?!
[20:21:21] jasonwc: under that line i see "
[20:21:21] jasonwc: 2006-09–22 16:19:38.888 Channel(/dev/video0)::Tune(77284000, , analog)" which is what i want. I used a fine tune of +34 khz
[20:21:24] [BTF]Chm0d: yes i know
[20:21:37] jasonwc: so, it seems to be using the 77250 rather than the 77284
[20:21:47] Anduin: jasonwc: Yeah it is that second one that is the real one
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[20:22:17] Anduin: jasonwc: No the first one contains the frequency as we find it in the table, the second line is after finetune adjustments
[20:23:00] jasonwc: Anduin: but when i use a finetune setting of +34 in tvtime the picture is fine
[20:23:03] jasonwc: i assume that is khz
[20:24:29] Anduin: jasonwc: I know very little about tvtime but I would assume so (as Hz shouldn't make a difference at that scale)
[20:24:31] jasonwc: Anduin: i used the same finetune settings in mythtv .18 and it worked ok
[20:25:14] [BTF]Chm0d: hey hobophobe
[20:25:18] hobophobe: yo
[20:25:20] [BTF]Chm0d: i have the headers installed
[20:25:25] [BTF]Chm0d: got passed that problem
[20:25:28] [BTF]Chm0d: dont ask how
[20:25:40] hobophobe: ok, cool
[20:25:44] [BTF]Chm0d: no i need to install ivtv again so that module ass can see it
[20:25:52] [BTF]Chm0d: hehe i said ass
[20:25:59] [BTF]Chm0d: without realizing
[20:26:05] hobophobe: Yeah, I kept writing it out not to :oP
[20:26:54] Anduin: jasonwc: with -v channel you should also get a Frequency is now message, that frequency is being queried directly from the v4l device
[20:28:35] jasonwc: Anduin: 2006-09–22 16:19:39.389 Channel(/dev/video0)::Tune(): Frequency is now 77250000
[20:28:48] jasonwc: Anduin: as i suspected, it's not applying the finetune setting
[20:29:14] jasonwc: but it does recognize it's there. if i use some absurd setting like -150 it won't tune to the channel at all. so it seems like it recognizes the setting but then tunes to the normal setting
[20:29:20] Anduin: jasonwc: pastebin that chunk of your log
[20:34:39] jasonwc: Anduin: http://pastebin.com/792262
[20:36:42] Honk^away: <Anduin> exactly, check frequency tables first <-- i'm using the europe-west table
[20:37:12] Honk^away: same as in xawtv (unless that one's using different frequencies which'd be kinda odd)
[20:38:48] jasonwc: Anduin: any idea what's going on?
[20:39:08] Anduin: jasonwc: was away, now waiting for pastebin to respond
[20:39:08] [BTF]Chm0d: can anyone tell me where i can get the source files for ivtv for ubuntu?
[20:39:16] [BTF]Chm0d: and install them?
[20:39:46] jasonwc: Anduin: yeah, it was being slow for me as well
[20:39:57] Honk^away: [BTF]Chm0d: just download 'em from the ivtv page :)
[20:40:21] [BTF]Chm0d: i have
[20:40:30] [BTF]Chm0d: :P
[20:41:12] Honk^away: well.. cheers
[20:41:25] Honk^away: why are you asking where to get the source files? =)
[20:42:09] Chicago: How do I enable captions??? when I press "t" during TV... it says "no captions"
[20:42:30] [BTF]Chm0d: just gettin errors when i make && make install
[20:42:49] [BTF]Chm0d: cannot create directory `/lib/modules/2.6.15-26–386/ivtv': Permission denied
[20:43:04] jasonwc: is it safe to go back to an earlier version of mythtv? I know that it worked in .18.
[20:43:08] [BTF]Chm0d: i run the cmd using sudo
[20:43:28] Paladine: the quality setting on that 24 dvd rip and recode are way overboard :)
[20:43:38] Anduin: jasonwc: Why is there no input name?
[20:43:55] Paladine: no artifacting not even during high motion scenes with the window maximised to 1600x1200
[20:44:06] jasonwc: Anduin: i thought there was- "Home"
[20:44:38] Paladine: so I think I can safely go for lower quality :)
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[20:45:09] Honk^away: Paladine: i told ya :P
[20:45:11] [BTF]Chm0d: hobophobe: you still around?
[20:45:55] Paladine: its only 2640kbps bitrate though
[20:46:03] Anduin: jasonwc: No it would be the second param in that Tune output (between the freqid and analog)
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[20:46:04] Paladine: I would have expected the quality to be lower
[20:46:20] Chicago: Does anybody here have closed captioning working?
[20:46:25] hobophobe: [BTF]Chm0d, yeah
[20:46:30] Anduin: jasonwc: Which capture card?
[20:46:43] [BTF]Chm0d: i have a new problem :)
[20:46:50] hobophobe: okay, shoot
[20:46:51] [BTF]Chm0d: i get this cannot create directory `/lib/modules/2.6.15-26–386/ivtv': Permission denied
[20:47:24] hobophobe: make it manually and chmod it to be writeable manually, then rerun the operation that's failing?
[20:48:20] [BTF]Chm0d: k
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[20:49:04] [BTF]Chm0d: sheez
[20:49:06] [BTF]Chm0d: finally
[20:49:07] [BTF]Chm0d: no errors
[20:49:14] [BTF]Chm0d: umm what now LOL
[20:49:18] jasonwc: Anduin: i was thinking of the video source name. In the input connections list i have /dev/video0 tuner0 connected to the Home video source and /dev/video1 television connected to home as well
[20:49:38] jasonwc: the /dev/video0 device is a pvr-250 while the /dev/video1 device is a bttv card
[20:49:53] Anduin: jasonwc: ivtv version?
[20:49:57] hobophobe: now you modprobe ivtv
[20:50:11] Anduin: jasonwc: (or kernel version)
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[20:51:24] [BTF]Chm0d: LOL it didn't do anything
[20:51:35] jasonwc: Anduin: where would i set an input name? i see now that it's blank. mythtv-setup shows video device mypeg2 : /dev/video0 input: tuner0
[20:51:41] hobophobe: type lsmod |grep ivtv
[20:51:48] jasonwc: Anduin: kernel is 2.6.11-1–386
[20:51:53] jasonwc: Anduin: on Debian Sarge 3.1
[20:52:03] hobophobe: does it show anything?
[20:52:21] jasonwc: Anduin: ivtv version is 0.2.0-rcj
[20:52:30] jasonwc: 0.2.0-rc3j
[20:52:32] [BTF]Chm0d: yes
[20:52:35] Anduin: jasonwc: In mythtv-setup you associate a lineup with a source, that would be the input
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[20:52:54] hobophobe: [BTF]Chm0d, then ivtv is loaded :o)
[20:53:11] jasonwc: Anduin: you mean an input with a source?
[20:53:18] [BTF]Chm0d: shouldn't i see anything LOL
[20:53:23] Honk^away: is there any way to tune the frequencies while actually seeing what you're doing? =)
[20:53:36] hobophobe: [BTF]Chm0d, ? where?
[20:53:57] jasonwc: Anduin: yeah- i did- my video source was called "Home". It connects to zap2it and gets the lineup for brandeis comcast cable
[20:54:10] [BTF]Chm0d: now i need to install mythtv
[20:54:14] sai2: I recently upgraded from myth 0.16 which was working perfectly for me, to 0.19 and now I'm having a little problem. Myth is not tracking the right positiom in the video, so skipping forward or backward ends up in the wrong place. I'm using a PVR350 and PVR250. Any ideas?
[20:54:22] Anduin: jasonwc: and Home is associated with Tuner 0 in mythtv-setup/
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[20:55:17] hobophobe: [BTF]Chm0d, try testing ivtv first, cat /dev/video0 (or whatever your card is) > test.mpg
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[20:55:44] hobophobe: you may need to set it to the right channel/etc.
[20:55:49] GreyFoxx: sai2: Try rebuilding your seektables
[20:56:04] sai2: greyfoxx: this affects new recordings too
[20:56:23] GreyFoxx: Then maybe your seektable is corrupted
[20:56:29] sai2: It's almost like it think it's the wrong framerate
[20:56:32] [BTF]Chm0d: i need a program to watch LOL
[20:56:34] [BTF]Chm0d: im stupid
[20:56:38] sai2: It's very consistently wrong
[20:56:54] sai2: I have done a table repair
[20:56:57] GreyFoxx: if the database table was corrupt it would be
[20:57:10] GreyFoxx: when did you do the table repair?
[20:57:14] jasonwc: Anduin: it's associated with both /dev/video0 (tuner0) and /dev/video1 (television)
[20:57:16] sai2: A few weeks back
[20:57:20] GreyFoxx: And have you attempted a seektable rebuild since?
[20:57:21] GreyFoxx: ok
[20:57:28] sai2: No, I haven't tried to rebuild it
[20:57:44] sai2: Is it possible that even after the mysql table check, there is something bogus in the table?
[20:57:56] GreyFoxx: More likely missing data
[20:58:15] sai2: is there a trick to fix up the seektable?
[20:58:31] GreyFoxx: use mythcommflag fromthe commadnline
[20:58:48] GreyFoxx: I think it's just -rebuild -all but you will want to check to be sure
[20:59:01] sai2: groovy... will try. Thanks muchly.
[20:59:24] k-man_: does mythtv work with mysql 5?
[20:59:34] sai2: oh, is that something to do with commercial flagging?
[20:59:54] GreyFoxx: sai2: nope, just mythcommflag does both
[21:00:01] sai2: ok, cool. Thanks.
[21:00:06] GreyFoxx: k-man_: 0.19-fixes and up do
[21:00:22] Anduin: jasonwc: Hmm, ok, checked my logs, seems normal for the same input, you run mythbackend as root?
[21:01:21] k-man_: GreyFoxx, i'm still on 4.0, with mythtv .19, im about to upgrade to .20 (all in debian)
[21:01:25] jasonwc: Anduin: yes
[21:01:29] k-man_: should i upgrade the database first?
[21:01:47] GreyFoxx: k-man_: Do you have a particular need to update mysql?
[21:01:52] jasonwc: Anduin: would it be safe to go back to .18. would it screw up my database?
[21:01:54] GreyFoxx: If not,then don't bother
[21:01:56] k-man_: GreyFoxx, no
[21:02:02] k-man_: hmm... good point
[21:02:08] k-man_: ok
[21:02:08] k-man_: thanks
[21:02:14] GreyFoxx: upgrading something that is working for no good reason is just asking for pain :)
[21:02:20] [BTF]Chm0d: hobophobe:
[21:02:27] Anduin: jasonwc: Your tables are now altered, you cannot go back easily unless you have a backup
[21:02:28] [BTF]Chm0d: a new one for you installing mythtv
[21:02:31] [BTF]Chm0d: http://pastebin.ca/180097
[21:02:41] k-man_: GreyFoxx, true... but then sometimes you can end up with a package thats really old and hard to upgrade because you didn't follow the upgrade path
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[21:03:22] hobophobe: [BTF]Chm0d, it didn't finish installing mythtv-database so it couldn't install mythtv
[21:03:35] freenu: how do i go about tell mysql.txt to use a different port?
[21:03:39] [BTF]Chm0d: what am i missing?
[21:04:03] freenu: i need to use a non-standard mysql port for connecting
[21:04:06] GreyFoxx: freenu: 0.20 and below wont use an alternate port
[21:04:17] freenu: wow
[21:04:23] GreyFoxx: however if you are running SVN you can do it as something wascommited like a week ago for it
[21:04:43] freenu: well that sucks
[21:04:44] freenu: heh
[21:04:56] hobophobe: [BTF]Chm0d, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-8387.html
[21:05:01] armand: tunnel it from localhost or something
[21:05:04] armand: or another box
[21:05:07] jasonwc: Anduin: i have daily backups going back a very long time and i just upgraded a week ago
[21:05:13] armand: but yeah, that sucks
[21:05:16] GreyFoxx: yeah, portforwarding orsomething
[21:05:18] hobophobe: [BTF]Chm0d, basically looks like you need to do some setup on the mysql side first from that thread
[21:05:40] [BTF]Chm0d: eeek
[21:05:40] jasonwc: Anduin: do you think i should go back to .18? is there anything i can try to get it working in .20?
[21:06:02] armand: jasonwc: you cant "go back" to 0.18 unless you have backups of your database from before the upgrade
[21:06:07] freenu: greyfoxx: that was the intention... =) apparently my isp firewalls 3306..
[21:06:18] freenu: and redirects all 3306 traffic to their mysql box
[21:06:24] Anduin: jasonwc: You could restore one, or debug the current problem more, that code is in channel.cpp in Channel::Tune
[21:06:29] GreyFoxx: so you are talking to a remote database then ? Something outsideof your network ?
[21:06:35] freenu: yes
[21:07:14] GreyFoxx: You can consider setting up avpn, or just an sshportforwward, or even just rinetd
[21:07:14] jasonwc: Anduin: if i go back, would i be able to add the new shows to the db?
[21:08:12] jams: what a long day, our hosting site lost power this morning
[21:08:13] Anduin: jasonwc: Sure, just a little work
[21:08:13] jams: 8 hours later are servers are finally back up
[21:08:21] jasonwc: ok, gtg
[21:08:26] jasonwc: thanks for the help Anduin
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[21:26:06] RyeBrye: Next to KnoppMyth (which isn't working for me at all to install) – what's the next easiest distro to load MythTV on?
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[21:27:05] hashbang: RyeBrye: FC4 + fedora mythology doc
[21:27:19] kormoc: the one you know the best
[21:27:37] hashbang: kormoc: aye, or that. :-)
[21:27:46] RyeBrye: Kormoc – that's probably true... but I've only never done any backend tinkering on any distros
[21:28:05] hashbang: RyeBrye: in that case, if they're all equal, what I said.
[21:28:10] RyeBrye: Okay
[21:28:26] freenu: damnit. trying to setup openvpn, and openssl crapping out when generating keys... hehe one thing after another
[21:28:27] RyeBrye: What's the Fedora Mythology doc? is it a website with an install instructions?
[21:28:35] hashbang: it's a good doc, so it'd be hard to get it wrong
[21:28:42] RyeBrye: k
[21:28:43] hashbang: RyeBrye: google for fedora mythology
[21:28:48] RyeBrye: Will do
[21:29:59] jasonwc: freenu: are you using the openvpn howto 2.0 from openvpn's site?
[21:30:16] jasonwc: freenu: it should make things pretty easy. also, do yourself a favor and install openvpn from source.
[21:30:52] jasonwc: freenu: if you install from source and follow the howto you'll have it setup quickly. openvpn has an excellent howto that tells you exactly how to setup your Certificate authority, create server certs, and client certs with the included scripts in the easy-rsa directory
[21:31:10] jasonwc: freenu: http://openvpn.net/howto.html
[21:31:53] freenu: thanks!
[21:31:58] jasonwc: Anduin: so, after restoring the old mysql db what would i need to do to bring back the new programs?
[21:32:15] jasonwc: freenu: np, if you need any further help feel free to pm me. I have setup openvpn on both Windows and Linux.
[21:32:31] freenu: i'll probably take you up on that
[21:33:11] RyeBrye: Hashbang – that FC doc looks pretty nice
[21:33:13] jasonwc: freenu: i can send you my config files if you want. i have one for a routed vpn server using ssl certs that routes all traffic through the vpn gateway, and another for a bridged vpn server that routes all traffic through the gateway- again with SSL certs
[21:33:15] RyeBrye: thanks for the tip
[21:33:49] Anduin: jasonwc: You need to manual insert the record in recorded then mythcommflag to get the seek table back (ignoring oldrecorded as that would be more work)
[21:34:11] jasonwc: freenu: usually, creating the certs is the hardest part. It certainly was for Freeradius, but openvpn has scripts that make it easy and great instructions.
[21:34:39] jasonwc: Anduin: for each show?
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[21:35:51] hashbang: RyeBrye: it's what I used
[21:35:52] Anduin: jasonwc: yes, then again you will probably need to rename some files so maybe rename then you may be able to use the contrib/myth.rebuilddb.pl script
[21:36:05] freenu: jasonwc, i was using ubuntu package from apt-get and the script wasn't exporting env variables properly
[21:36:07] hashbang: RyeBrye: admittedly, I have ~11 years working with RH-alikes. :-)
[21:36:24] jasonwc: freenu: yeah, i tried using the deb once. totally not worth it
[21:36:24] freenu: therefore, the rest of the scripts (openssl stuff) fails
[21:36:30] Anduin: jasonwc: going back is hard, I would have taken the debugging route personally
[21:36:47] jasonwc: freenu: a) the instructions are based on the source version and don't work well with rpm/deb versions
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[21:36:53] jasonwc: b) source version works better
[21:37:28] jasonwc: c) installing from source is a piece of cake. just install openssl, and lzo devel packages from apt-get
[21:37:48] jasonwc: the howto says all the packages that you need to build from source. i think there's only 2 or 3
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[21:38:29] jasonwc: Anduin: i'm not sure how to go about debugging. you said to look at the source, but i don't program and wouldn't know what to look for.
[21:38:53] jasonwc: i don't want to go back either. i really like the new mythweb.
[21:40:37] Anduin: jasonwc: There are really very few lines of source between where it sets the frequency and where it gets it. Basically you'd just be looking for why setting the frequency seemed to fail (it didn't fail in that ioctl returned an error (that would be in the log) so it seemed to work but not actually change anything)
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[21:40:58] Anduin: jasonwc: why didn't you jump to 0.20 if you were upgrading?
[21:41:08] jasonwc: Anduin: i am using .20
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[21:41:39] jasonwc: Anduin: i went from .18 to .20
[21:41:56] jasonwc: i never used .19 because i was away for 6 months and didn't use it over the summer
[21:42:24] jasonwc: this wouldn't bother me so much if 1/2 the shows i watched weren't only on channel 5
[21:42:33] Anduin: jasonwc: Yeah, sorry, crossed wire about which version you were using.
[21:42:59] jasonwc: what's the file again?
[21:43:09] jasonwc: nevermind
[21:43:51] sai2: well, while I'm here waiting for the seektable to rebuild, I might ask another couple of silly questions. 1. my mythmusic quality is pretty crappy. Is that normal? 2. How do I actually get files to show up in mythvideo?
[21:44:07] Anduin: jasonwc: now with tvtime your testing is with the bttv card though so...
[21:44:42] jasonwc: Anduin: yeah, but on mythtv- it acts the same on both cards
[21:45:09] Anduin: jasonwc: And it is just those two channels that are off?
[21:45:52] jasonwc: yeah
[21:46:03] jasonwc: Anduin: it's been screwed up since i got here 4 years ago. I think those channels are just off
[21:46:16] jasonwc: but with .18 i just set the same finetune settings i used in tvtime and it worked fine
[21:47:15] jasonwc: is anyone else using finetune settings in .20?
[21:47:38] Anduin: jasonwc: you can use ivtvctl and try setting the exact same frequency while doing a cat test to see if the result is the same
[21:48:11] jasonwc: ok
[21:48:13] jasonwc: sounds good
[21:48:46] jasonwc: would i give the frequency in hz or khz?
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[21:49:40] jasonwc: Anduin: is it possible i need a newer version of ivtv?
[21:49:44] Anduin: jasonwc: My guess would be khz, one won't work :)
[21:50:26] jasonwc: so ivtvctl -r 77284
[21:50:40] Anduin: jasonwc: At the base level everyone is setting the frequency on the card, I don't know if there are granularity check in the driver or tuner module that would stop it.
[21:51:18] Anduin: jasonwc: sure, the -R and see it it actually set it
[21:52:23] jasonwc: yeah, it says frequency set to 77284 ...
[21:52:26] jasonwc: but how do i test now, heh
[21:52:35] jasonwc: just cat?
[21:52:43] jasonwc: or is there a program like tvtime to view the output
[21:53:17] Anduin: jasonwc: What does a -R return?
[21:53:43] jasonwc: ioctl: VIDIOC_S_FREQUENCY
[21:53:43] jasonwc: Frequency set to 77284
[21:53:46] Anduin: jasonwc: Yeah just cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg wait a few seconds, ctrl-c
[21:54:04] Anduin: jasonwc: yeah now ivtvctl -R (to read it)
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[21:54:39] pyrodex: Anyone know why all of a sudden my menus are gone in my themes? I've reinstalled everything but no luck. I am also using CVS
[21:55:02] jasonwc: Anduin: -R shows 77284
[21:55:07] pyrodex: anyone able to suggest something to check
[21:55:14] jasonwc: Anduin: weird, and the test was screwed up in black/white
[21:55:16] jasonwc: like in myth
[21:55:21] jasonwc: but it's fine in tvtime
[21:56:45] Anduin: jasonwc: what about with -r 1236?
[21:57:07] jasonwc: same
[21:57:10] jasonwc: shows 1236
[21:57:14] jasonwc: when i use -R to read
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[21:57:20] hobophobe: One thing I have been wondering is why are the previews in 'watch recordings' blue?
[21:57:25] Anduin: jasonwc: and the picture?
[21:57:43] Anduin: hobophobe: there is a thread on -users about it
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[21:58:07] hobophobe: okay, thanks
[21:58:28] bagpuss_thecat: hobophobe: what version of the fglrx driver are you using?
[21:58:34] jasonwc: Anduin: um...1236 still shows channel 5
[21:58:45] Anduin: jasonwc: Yes, but good or bad?
[21:58:51] jasonwc: black/white
[21:59:22] hobophobe: bagpuss_thecat, 2.28.8
[21:59:40] hobophobe: err 8.28.8
[21:59:45] jasonwc: Anduin: i also set it to 77284000 and i'm still getting b/w
[21:59:58] bagpuss_thecat: hobophobe: :-) ta
[21:59:58] jasonwc: jasonwc: why would it shows channel 5 on 1236? is that even close to 77284?
[22:01:08] bagpuss_thecat: hobophobe: they've dropped support for the r200 devices (like my 9100 IGP) in 8.29.6
[22:01:42] hobophobe: erm, I was under the impression r200 had full feature support in the open drivers?
[22:02:06] jasonwc: Anduin: what exactly does ivtvctl -r do? i set it to 1 and it still shows channel 5
[22:02:07] Anduin: jasonwc: The units are actually in khz / 62.5
[22:02:26] jasonwc: it doesn't seem like the setting has any affect on the output
[22:02:42] Anduin: jasonwc: You are capturing from coax?
[22:02:50] jasonwc: yes
[22:02:52] bagpuss_thecat: hobophobe: I could be wrong, but I don't think 2d acceleration (ie, XV) worked on the s-video port in the OSS drivers
[22:03:28] hobophobe: ah
[22:04:09] Anduin: jasonwc: try -r 1332 (should be channel 6) does it change then?
[22:04:54] jasonwc: yeah, that shows channel 6
[22:05:30] jasonwc: Anduin: crap, that worked
[22:05:43] Anduin: yeah that is the normal channel 6 frequency
[22:05:46] jasonwc: Anduin: channel 6 is also messed up. i just added 36 to 1332= 1366 and set that
[22:05:51] jasonwc: and now channel 6 is perfect
[22:06:37] jasonwc: Anduin: setting it to 1270 gives me a very good picture on channel 5
[22:06:37] Paladine: how do you make coverart appear in mythvideo browser/gallery/listing
[22:06:51] Paladine: the cover art is there, but not appearing whenI browse videos
[22:07:08] Paladine: does it not add the image asa thumbnail for the file?
[22:07:25] Anduin: Paladine: It scales them down
[22:07:41] jasonwc: Anduin: so clearly, finetuning the picture can work. now, i just need to figure out how to get mythtv to do the same thing.
[22:07:55] Anduin: Paladine: If you have browse files and don't have "load metadata" that would explain it.
[22:08:08] jasonwc: i used the same settings that i set in mythtv- +34 on channel 5, and +36 on channel 6
[22:08:16] Paladine: yup just figured that out, thanks :)
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[22:08:32] Paladine: cool
[22:08:37] Paladine: mythvideo also rocks :)
[22:09:00] bagpuss_thecat: dammit, I just want a TV with a vga input
[22:09:05] Anduin: Paladine: Yeah the guy who maintains it now is awesome!
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[22:09:54] Paladine: I dunno whether to re-encode this or not now, the quality is awesome and I could get away with 50% lower quality, but I just put all the effort into the metadata
[22:09:59] jasonwc: Anduin: so, what does 1270 correspond to in khz? i thought it was just khz / 65 in which case it would be 82550 khz but that's nowhere near 72550.
[22:10:16] jasonwc: Anduin: can i go into the db and manually set the frequency of chan 5?
[22:10:41] Paladine: I suppose I should re-encode it
[22:10:52] Anduin: jasonwc: You can, if freqid looks it is in Hz it will be used directly
[22:11:01] fiveiron: *sigh*... i'm trying to get the svn of stable mythtv.... getting a "400 bad request" ... i'm copying the svn line straight from cvs.mythtv.org/trac
[22:11:11] Anduin: jasonwc: However that should so nothing for you
[22:11:13] Paladine: is it safe to overwrite the existing file or do I need to delete the video in MythFrontend then copy the new file over then redo all the metadata?
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[22:11:27] Anduin: jasonwc: You are certain the backend is running as root right?
[22:11:35] fiveiron: Paladine, are you the one that just got the svn of mythtv installed?
[22:11:53] jasonwc: Anduin: how would i check? i have it running as a service. i start it with /etc/init.d/mythbackend start
[22:11:59] Paladine: fiveiron, no I been running it for about a week now, but Idid build from svn
[22:12:16] jasonwc: Anduin: the init script says the user is ROOT
[22:12:19] jasonwc: *root
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[22:12:25] fiveiron: did you use the url at http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac to grab the svn?
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[22:12:56] Anduin: jasonwc: ps au | grep mythbackend
[22:12:58] Honk^away: <Anduin> exactly, check frequency tables first <-- i did.. the frequencies are the same as in xawtv
[22:12:59] Paladine: fiveiron, I used the docs, can't remember now exactly a lot has happened in the last week
[22:13:02] Honk^away: :]
[22:13:12] jasonwc: Anduin: root
[22:13:35] jasonwc: Anduin: so, what does 1270 refer to in frequency?
[22:13:40] jasonwc: khz i mean
[22:13:49] Anduin: jasonwc: Yeah, myth should be doing exactly what ivtvctl is (though it adds the finetune before the conversion)
[22:14:07] Anduin: jasonwc: 1270 * 62.5 = kHz
[22:14:20] jasonwc: Anduin: yeah, i set it to 1270, then started mythtv and checked with the -R option and of course, it's showing 1236 now
[22:14:24] jasonwc: which is 34 less
[22:14:54] jasonwc: that's 79375
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[22:15:33] jasonwc: 1236 is 77250 which is what it's using
[22:17:11] jasonwc: Anduin: awesome, it's working now!
[22:17:31] jasonwc: Anduin: instead of setting the channel to 5, i manually entered the frequency as 79375 in mythtv-setup for channel 5
[22:18:28] jasonwc: does that mean there's a bug in mythtv? if i can set it manually i should have been able to finetune it
[22:18:29] Paladine: lets see what the quality is like at 500MB as opposed to 1GB on this xvid4 recode :)
[22:19:14] Paladine: I so need to setup my dual athlon MP system again and install ubuntu on it for doing all my encoding :)
[22:19:20] Anduin: jasonwc: Your log shows that the finetune value it used and passed to the Tune function though.
[22:19:25] Paladine: dvd::rip is pretty damn awesome
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[22:20:28] jasonwc: Anduin: so what is screwing up?
[22:20:43] jasonwc: Anduin: so, both channel 5 and 6 now work when using manual frequency entries
[22:20:56] jasonwc: Anduin: do you think it's a problem with my old version of ivtv
[22:21:02] Anduin: jasonwc: can you pastebin the logs it is generating now?
[22:21:23] Paladine: its gonna take me weeks to rip our entire dvd library though
[22:21:26] Paladine: we have hundreds
[22:21:42] Anduin: jasonwc: The actual set follows the same path, manual with no finetune and auto with finetune all hit that same function resulting in the same ioclt
[22:22:09] KaZeR: hey people. is it possible to know with the logs why a show was deleted?
[22:22:15] jasonwc: Anduin: so why is the former working and the latter isn't?
[22:22:32] Anduin: jasonwc: Let me see the logs while it is working and I may be able to see
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[22:22:33] jasonwc: when i manually specify it works. when i rely on finetune, it doesn't
[22:22:43] jasonwc: Anduin: ok, i'll put it in pastebin
[22:23:01] Anduin: jasonwc: You can use pastebin.ca or rafb.net (faster)
[22:24:27] blk: it's cool having mouse gestures in 0.20, but where do i find documentation on what gestures trigger which actions?
[22:24:54] blk: i found nothing in the wiki nor by googling
[22:25:00] jasonwc: Anduin: http://pastebin.ca/180167
[22:26:33] Honk^away: what can i do to get a proper image in mythtv from my pvr-500? i get this rubbish: http://134.106.144.92/files/pvr.mpg – in xawtv the image is ok. the frequencies in xawtv and mythtv are the same as well :)
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[22:27:18] [BTF]Chm0d: how do i configure a capture card in the database on the setup of mythtv?
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[22:29:02] Anduin: [BTF]Chm0d: mythtv-setup
[22:29:02] Fnc: whoevers around... anyone heard anything positve or negative about the AirStar-HD5000AV-PCI cards?
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[22:32:18] xris: Fnc: they're decent cards. I had one for awhile (earlier model)
[22:32:58] Cardoe: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148528
[22:33:05] Cardoe: I have zero mood for users right now
[22:33:09] Fnc: xris: the dvico fusion5 lite i have sucks... works then doesnt... then something is all wacked and can get it working again...
[22:33:27] Fnc: so i need something new
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[22:33:56] jasonwc: Anduin: see anything interesting in the logs?
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[22:34:09] Anduin: jasonwc: Ah, the numbers you are using now are much higher, the previous +34 leads to a change that is truncated.
[22:34:44] jasonwc: so i'm using 34 * 62.5 = 2125?
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[22:35:27] jasonwc: Anduin: it used to work. maybe mythtv changes the way it uses the finetune setting
[22:35:34] Paladine: I really need to get some more compressed air
[22:35:40] Paladine: my pc is full of dust
[22:36:01] RyeBrye: Honk – how long have you had the PVR-500? I'm getting one of those soon to run my MythBox I'm building
[22:36:09] jasonwc: Anduin: but i couldn't set a finetune of 2125. it only goes up to 200 or so
[22:37:16] Anduin: jasonwc: No for finetune it would look like this 77250 (channel 5 frequency) + 34 / 62.5 = 1236.608 which will truncate to 1236, 77250 / 62.5 = 1236
[22:37:59] Honk^away: RyeBrye: about a week :P
[22:38:07] Honk^away: (nah.. a few days only)
[22:38:28] RyeBrye: Honk – Has it not been working right?
[22:38:57] jasonwc: Anduin: so, then it basically does nothing
[22:39:14] jasonwc: Anduin: since 1236 truncated to 1236 and 1236 are the same
[22:39:32] jasonwc: it must have done it differently in the past because i set it to 34 for channel 5 and it worked
[22:39:48] jasonwc: and it still works with 34 in tvtime and in mythtv if set manually
[22:40:27] Anduin: jasonwc: The actual manual frequency in your logs is much greater
[22:40:47] jasonwc: (77250 + 2125)/ 62.5 = 1270.16 and i'm using 1270
[22:40:55] jasonwc: so i'm basically using a finetune setting of 2125
[22:41:37] jasonwc: 79375/62.5 = 1270
[22:42:25] jasonwc: but apparently when tvtime uses the finetune setting it's also using 79375 khz. otherwise it would be b/w and crappy as well.
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[22:42:44] Paladine: wonder if you can setup dvd::rip to do batch encoding
[22:42:51] Honk^away: RyeBrye: the hardware is ok, it's a software problem
[22:43:00] Honk^away: otherwise it wouldnt work in xawtv, would it?
[22:43:47] RyeBrye: no, it probably wouldn't...
[22:43:56] RyeBrye: Are you using version 0.20?
[22:44:00] Anduin: jasonwc: Yeah, it just looks like the tvtime units are directly added to the number passed in the ioctl, whereas in myth they are added to the frequency then converted to a number the card expects.
[22:44:35] ** RyeBrye knows nothing abou MythTV – but hopes that by keeping this topic alive someone who does know something will chime in so he can make sure that he doesn't encounter the same problem when his PVR-500 shows up next week **
[22:45:44] Honk^away: i am using 0.20 =)
[22:46:10] Anduin: Honk^away: I had a card that went bad that looked like that
[22:46:52] Anduin: Honk^away: If you think it is a frequency problem you could be doing the same as jasonwc
[22:47:21] Honk^away: the frequency is ok
[22:47:27] Honk^away: it works fine in xawtv after all ;)
[22:47:37] Honk^away: and that's got the same frequency set as myth
[22:47:51] Anduin: xawtv works with that card?
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[22:50:32] Honk^away: i said that about a dozend times now :P
[22:50:34] Honk^away: yeah
[22:51:01] Honk^away: i dont have sound in xawtv, but i guess that's a configuration issue =)
[22:52:55] Anduin: Honk^away: Yeah, some places have simply dropped xawtv for tvtime (both of which didn't support ivtv, though it appears xawtv does so now)
[22:54:02] Honk^away: i just gotta find out why mythtv messes up everything ;)
[22:54:24] RyeBrye: Do most PVR-500's just "work"?
[22:54:43] Anduin: Honk^away: I'd try comparing an ivtvctrl -a between when xawtv is using it and when myth is
[22:54:53] Paladine: its cheaper to just buy 2x pvr150
[22:54:59] Anduin: RyeBrye: Yes, and yes.
[22:55:01] Paladine: which is all a pvr500 is
[22:55:02] Honk^away: Paladine: yeah.. like 5$ ;)
[22:55:12] Paladine: no it is a lot cheaper here in the UK
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[22:55:23] RyeBrye: Paladine – I got a PVR 500 for $135 total after shipping
[22:55:24] Honk^away: guess you're lucky ;)
[22:55:36] Honk^away: 500 for ~130, 150 for ~60
[22:55:37] Paladine: pvr150 £40 GP, PVR500 £150–190GBP
[22:55:49] Honk^away: 150 punds for a 500? woah
[22:55:49] Paladine: s/GP/GBP
[22:55:51] Honk^away: that's a lot
[22:55:57] Paladine: 150–190
[22:56:03] Honk^away: it sells for 130€
[22:56:24] Honk^away: anyway.. i feel like i want to install gentoo more and more =)
[22:56:37] RyeBrye: what distro are you running on now?
[22:56:39] Honk^away: i've spent the entire day compiling stuff on ubuntu :]
[22:56:53] Honk^away: that's so annoying
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[22:57:00] kormoc: not internationally, almost all computer eq is a bit more outside of the us
[22:57:22] Honk^away: kormoc: i'm from europe too ;)
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[22:57:57] Honk^away: i didnt have to compile more than a few packages in several years of gentoo usage so far.. 1 day of ubuntu is getting kinda close ;)
[22:58:36] kormoc: I've never compiled a package by hand for gentoo... rolled a few ebuilds, sure, but never outside of portage :P
[22:58:39] FatDave: hey all. I just updated mythtv on ubuntu via the package manager and everything worked. but now when i try to run mythfronted I get a segmentaion fault. has anyone seen this?
[22:58:55] Honk^away: kormoc: that's what i'm talking about
[22:59:09] Honk^away: i have to compile all this shit manually on ubuntu cuz they're not up to date
[22:59:14] Honk^away: soooo annoying
[22:59:41] kormoc: so switch, it sounds like you perfer gentoo, so use gentoo
[23:00:21] Honk^away: i thought using ubuntu would get me a running system faster
[23:00:50] ** kormoc laughs **
[23:01:38] armand: when i installed ubuntu i had a running myth box in less than an hour
[23:01:39] Honk^away: well.. installation was really fast =)
[23:01:43] Honk^away: took like 10 minutes :)
[23:01:46] armand: though, mythfrontend only
[23:01:54] Honk^away: and that's when the trouble started :]
[23:02:13] Anduin: Honk^away: Other than the fully prepacked Myth distros the one you know best is usually fastest.
[23:02:30] Honk^away: it's not about knowing it better :P
[23:02:37] Honk^away: i just cannot find any proper mythtv packages
[23:02:43] FatDave: do you think I should try and remove everything and reinstall the whole myth suite?
[23:02:43] Honk^away: anyway.. gentoo.. =)
[23:02:47] armand: i had no problem finding mythtv packages for ubuntu...
[23:03:01] Honk^away: and ivtv too ;)
[23:03:03] Anduin: Honk^away: edgy reportedly has 0.20 packages
[23:03:21] Honk^away: i'm not on edgy though ;)
[23:03:33] ** Honk^away boots the ubuntu install cd again **
[23:03:35] Paladine: I actually found building from svn checkout to be much easier than I expected
[23:03:38] Anduin: Honk^away: There are 0.19 as well (in the channel faq or maybe the wiki)
[23:03:50] Honk^away: yeah, i did find 0.19 ;)
[23:03:54] Honk^away: but wanted 0.20 :]
[23:04:01] Honk^away: so i started to compile it
[23:04:24] Honk^away: (it takes a lot of time getting all the dependencies sorted *sigh*)
[23:04:40] armand: install the 0.19 packages through apt-get, it will take care of your dependencies
[23:04:46] Paladine: make-dep is your friend
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[23:04:52] armand: then search for ubuntu mythtv packages and find the abbagacia.com (or something) site
[23:05:07] armand: it has a howto for install myth, simple, again, from popping the cd in to working myth box was an hour :P
[23:05:24] FatDave: how do I revert my update of mythtv? i just caught the tail end of something about forcing a version....
[23:05:43] armand: like from 0.20 to 0.19?
[23:05:44] GreyFoxx: what do you mean revert ? go back a version?
[23:05:46] FatDave: ya
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[23:05:53] GreyFoxx: You can't unl;ess you backed up your databae
[23:05:56] GreyFoxx: database
[23:05:57] armand: you can only go back if you backed up your database before upgrading
[23:06:01] Honk^away: armand: the page is down ;)
[23:06:04] Honk^away: and.. i was there :]
[23:06:09] RyeBrye: Ubuntu shits the bed on my Dell machine when I'm trying to boot from the Live CD... don't know why... knoppix 5 works great as a live cd
[23:06:23] moxjake: Has anybody got ivtv 0.7.0 to work on an FC5 2.6.17 kernel?
[23:06:27] FatDave: crap. well is there a way I can find out why everything works except for the frontend after the update?
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[23:06:36] Paladine: Rye, probably because of the stupid Dell secret partition
[23:06:38] moxjake: I've tried both the RPM provided by AT RPMS and building it by hand
[23:07:02] RyeBrye: Paladine – good point.
[23:07:23] Anduin: moxjake: Yes
[23:07:24] Paladine: you need to complete kill the Dell partition table and set the drive up from scratch
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[23:07:28] RyeBrye: If I completely recreate a partition table from scratch, and then reinstall stuff – that should remove any hidden dell crap, right?
[23:07:34] RyeBrye: yeah...
[23:07:45] moxjake: Anduin: Did you have to do anything special? Did you use the rpm, or did you build it?
[23:07:47] RyeBrye: But what if I was trying to install linux on a completely virgin second HD – and not even touch my windows drive?
[23:08:00] Anduin: moxjake: built it, but atrpms works as well
[23:08:03] RyeBrye: install to hdb instead of hda...
[23:08:07] Paladine: you can only install ubuntu on a primary disk
[23:08:17] Paladine: afaik
[23:08:19] FatDave: if my database was messed up then mythfrontend would give a seg fault right?
[23:08:22] RyeBrye: Oh, that makes sense
[23:08:26] moxjake: Anduin: Hmm, strange, if I install the RPM I get a kernel protection fault when I try to modprobe it
[23:08:36] GreyFoxx: FatDave: It's certainly possible
[23:08:46] RyeBrye: Can I just swap master and slave and have windows run off of the secondary drive?
[23:08:49] GreyFoxx: What error does the frontend spit out when it crashes ?
[23:09:00] Paladine: greyfoxx, dvd::rip pwns
[23:09:08] Anduin: moxjake: well you can build it (install kernel-devel) but it shouldn't make a difference
[23:09:20] FatDave: well, it says a lot of things. i'm not sure what the actual error is. what is that site that I can post output to again?
[23:09:30] Paladine: pastebin.ca
[23:09:49] moxjake: Anduin: building it results in a different error when I modprobe it, the modprobe just hangs indefinitely and it spits out a bunch of garbage to dmesg
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[23:10:13] Anduin: moxjake: pastebin that garbage
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[23:10:21] FatDave: http://pastebin.ca/180241
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[23:11:19] Paladine: rye, just be aware that if you kill the Dell partition table it is unlikely you will be able to reinstall your licensed version of windows
[23:11:28] Paladine: although why anyone would want to is beyond me
[23:11:29] Anduin: FatDave: try removing MythPhone
[23:11:35] RyeBrye: That's a good point
[23:11:38] RyeBrye: hmmm
[23:11:45] FatDave: on it...
[23:12:28] hobophobe: Do you always need to run the setup as user mythtv?
[23:12:41] Paladine: rye, one solution wouldbe to put in a new drive and set it as HDA
[23:12:50] Paladine: and move the dell drive to HDB
[23:12:54] GreyFoxx: hobophobe: nope
[23:12:58] RyeBrye: Ok, that's probably what I'll do
[23:13:09] Paladine: then you could install ubuntu without killing the dell partition table
[23:13:19] moxjake: Well, I tried rebuilding the ivtv driver again (I rebooted since last time) and now it just spits out the following
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[23:13:56] FatDave: Anduin, that worked! Thanks guys
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[23:14:46] moxjake: ...waiting for pastebin...
[23:14:51] Anduin: really with people would stick around long enough for me to get them to file a bug
[23:15:00] Paladine: hehehe
[23:15:02] Anduin: moxjake: rafb.net
[23:15:21] moxjake: pastebin.com/792347
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[23:16:44] Paladine: so who wants to buy me 4x 750GB SATAII Barracudas for my birthday?
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[23:16:47] Anduin: moxjake: depmod -a
[23:17:06] moxjake: Anduin: Did that
[23:17:10] moxjake: no go
[23:17:49] moxjake: relevant section of dmesg is "ivtv: disagrees about version of symbol video_unregister_device" "ivtv: Unknown symbol video_unregister_device"
[23:18:36] moxjake: and about 10 other "symbols"
[23:18:53] Anduin: moxjake: building your own kernels?
[23:19:26] moxjake: no, this is the stock FC5 2.6.17–1.2174_FC5 kernel
[23:19:44] moxjake: here is the full dmesg | grep ivtv out put http://rafb.net/paste/results/Qncspm98.html
[23:21:09] moxjake: I am also using a dvb card in this system, in case thats the problem
[23:21:26] Anduin: moxjake: Well that message means that the ivtv driver doesn't match the viedodev module
[23:21:36] Anduin: moxjake: That is almost certainly it
[23:21:46] moxjake: there has to be a way to make them play together
[23:22:03] Anduin: moxjake: How did you have to make the DVB card work?
[23:22:32] moxjake: I built its driver and installed it, although I dont think I even need its driver
[23:22:42] ** RyeBrye just finished downloading FC5 dvd iso at 500 KB/sec average speed... **
[23:22:49] moxjake: I found out the driver is only to use it under v4l
[23:22:55] ** RyeBrye likes his work internet connection much better than his home one :) **
[23:23:19] moxjake: Anduin: its a pchdtv 5500
[23:23:26] Paladine: I get 800KB/s on my home connection
[23:23:45] RyeBrye: Paladine: Don't you also do your grocery shopping online?
[23:23:50] Paladine: yes
[23:23:55] Paladine: I do all my shopping online
[23:24:00] RyeBrye: With that kind of bandwidth, you could just download all your damn groceries :P
[23:24:04] Paladine: I don't like going outside if it is avoidable
[23:24:17] Anduin: moxjake: Yeah, I know nothing specific about the hd/dvb cards.
[23:24:22] RyeBrye: I've heard internet is better outside the US
[23:24:25] armand: do you live in the basement with blacked out windows too paladine? heh
[23:24:27] Paladine: outside of full of those funky animals with 2 legs
[23:24:46] Paladine: armand, I pretty much live in my basement, but the window is not blacked out
[23:25:08] Paladine: I spend about 18 hours+ a day in my basement
[23:25:28] armand: damn, you're a hermit :)
[23:26:15] Paladine: yeah I am hapiest in a shell ;)
[23:26:35] armand: nothing wrong with that
[23:26:47] RyeBrye: If my tuner card hasn't come yet – I can still go ahead and get MythTV installed and running right – or should i wait for the tuner card?
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[23:27:35] Paladine: armand, you seen The Net with sandra bullock?
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[23:27:50] armand: yeah, but i dont remember it too well
[23:27:59] Paladine: right at the beginning when she is in her house
[23:28:03] Paladine: apart from her being a chick
[23:28:05] Paladine: thats me
[23:28:36] Paladine: except I don't eat fast food
[23:28:37] Paladine: I cook
[23:28:55] Paladine: but I literally spend 95% of my time in front of my tech
[23:29:07] Paladine: and I only sleep about 15 hours a week
[23:29:10] Paladine: so thats a lot of time
[23:29:12] Paladine: :)
[23:29:20] ** Dibblah **
[23:29:20] RyeBrye: I've been control clicking on every Pi icone ever since that movie came out
[23:29:47] ** RyeBrye is going to break into Dibblah's home later **
[23:29:53] RyeBrye: ;)
[23:30:03]
[23:30:06] Dibblah: You'd have to get past all of the computer junk :)
[23:30:34] RyeBrye:
[23:30:45] RyeBrye: so I'd also ahve to get past the atlantic ocean first too
[23:30:52] Dibblah: About $70...
[23:30:53] Paladine: it is getting to the point where my /29 subnet is not enough for me anymore Dibblah  :)
[23:31:34] RyeBrye: How much bandwidth would it require to remotely access a backend from an outside network and not notice a speed problem?
[23:31:37] Paladine: I need to get a second internet connection installed with another /29 and bridge the two networks
[23:31:47] ** Dibblah doesn't actually need a managed switch. But getting jumbo frames to play on cheap hardware is hard. **
[23:31:52] Paladine: so the rest of the family can have some inet
[23:31:58] Paladine: cos they not getting any of my inet
[23:32:01] Paladine: its all mine
[23:32:17] GreyFoxx: just rate limit them
[23:32:22] moxjake: Anduin: This is what I get if I try to modprobe the ivtv built from RPM http://rafb.net/paste/results/N1Kmo533.html
[23:32:24] Paladine: no they canhave their own inet
[23:32:34] Paladine: these aremy tubes
[23:32:41] Paladine: they can have their own tubes
[23:34:49] Anduin: moxjake: Yeah not sure what to tell you, you are crashing in a kernel call a basic udev one even
[23:34:58] moxjake: yep
[23:35:51] Paladine: so is a dual athlon mp 2800 (Barton Cores) system likely to transcode from mpeg2 to xvid faster than a single Athlon 64 3700+ (San Diego Core)?
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[23:37:25] Paladine: cos it is taking me 3 hours to transcode on my athlon64 at 1253kbps bitrate with 2 passes
[23:37:36] Paladine: which seems a bit long for a 49 minute movie
[23:37:56] Paladine: getting 20fps on the first pass
[23:38:01] Paladine: and 10fps on the second
[23:38:04] moxjake: its not likely the transcoder is smp-aware, so, no
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[23:38:22] Paladine: moxjake, actually this particular encoder allows clustering
[23:38:34] kormoc: the only thing you really can help out transcoding with is 64 bit
[23:38:42] GreyFoxx: Paladine: What little transcoding I've done from mpeg ot xvid I've done under windows. The tools are much faster
[23:38:58] Paladine: windowsis a dirty word though
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[23:39:08] GreyFoxx: Only to children :)
[23:39:08] armand: its great for games though
[23:39:12] Paladine: I can't use dirty words with a 9month old son
[23:39:19] moxjake: I would still guess, no, but its hard to say precisely
[23:39:41] GreyFoxx: You use what is the best tool for a job. You don't shoehorn a square peg into a round hole just cause you prefer square pegs :)
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[23:40:01] Paladine: greyfoxx, no I would buy square hols to fit the peg :p
[23:40:04] Paladine: holes
[23:40:17] GreyFoxx: In this case those particular ones don't exist :)
[23:40:30] Paladine: Iwould modify the round holes :)
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[23:41:00] GreyFoxx: Paladine: Then get coding son, cause at this point the linux based transcoding tools suck
[23:41:02] armand: i would fire you for going over budget and not meeting the deadline
[23:41:33] Paladine: armand, I don't get fired, I work for myself
[23:41:46] kormoc: ahh, that explains things
[23:42:19] GreyFoxx: I generally consider windows useless and not the right choice for my needs, BUT I'd be obtuse if I didn't admit thatat this point in time it is the better option for transcoding
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[23:42:51] Paladine: GreyFoxx, I am yet to find a decent windows app for ripping episodes from a tv show dvd
[23:42:53] armand: plus its also the better option for the majority of games out there
[23:42:54] GreyFoxx: Though I'd love to see the linux tools improved
[23:43:19] kormoc: when I ran windows, I was quite a fan of flaskmpeg
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[23:43:49] GreyFoxx: avisynth, some plugins and virtualdub were great for converting mpeg2's to xvid
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[23:44:00] Paladine: dvd:rip may be a bit slow, the the results are excellent
[23:44:00] GreyFoxx: I'd love to see linux toolsperform as well
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[23:44:08] Paladine: dvd::rip
[23:44:11] ack_f0o: ok — help???
[23:44:21] ack_f0o: i am frustrated...
[23:44:28] Paladine: find a brothel
[23:44:28] kormoc: Paladine, he's talking speed, not just something that works
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[23:44:38] GreyFoxx: Yeah, fps
[23:44:39] ack_f0o: nice paladine =]
[23:44:59] ack_f0o: but its mythtv that frussing me
[23:45:18] kormoc: you know, you could say, type the issue rather then just talking bout yourself
[23:45:28] ack_f0o: heh
[23:45:31] ack_f0o: 'ok
[23:45:47] armand: my issues are many, mostly mental
[23:45:48] armand: heh
[23:46:25] Paladine: well you are from the south, so of ourse they are
[23:46:25] ack_f0o: so — mythtv works grand, but now I have a settop box — blaster is working — but the input reads static.. do I have something st00pid I missed or what? looks like it is still trying to change the channel via the pvr tuner
[23:46:40] armand: i am not from the south :(
[23:46:47] ack_f0o: <--- from the south
[23:46:48] Paladine: you not in georgia?
[23:46:54] armand: me, no
[23:46:55] ack_f0o: <--- in GA
[23:46:55] Paladine: yeah I meant ack
[23:46:58] armand: oh
[23:46:58] armand: heh
[23:47:13] Paladine: I thought ack said he had mental issues
[23:47:14] ack_f0o: ok ^^^^^
[23:47:17] Paladine: so Igotconfused
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[23:47:22] ack_f0o: not ebough tabs =]
[23:47:34] Paladine: but then I have worked in GA so I have an excuse for getting confused for exactly the same reasons
[23:47:54] kormoc: ack_f0o, yeah, you need to setup myth to not tune from the channel, it's in mythtv setup under card setup
[23:47:57] ack_f0o: <--- sux0r n33ds help puhlease
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[23:48:07] ack_f0o: =]
[23:48:35] ack_f0o: kormoc: trying now to see under card setup where a tuning option lives...
[23:48:37] kormoc: ack_f0o, and btw, we're all mature, grown up people, and talking like a 10 year old kid doesn't really make us want to help too much :P
[23:48:37] krisp_: anyone ever have trouble with a recording not taking up the whole screen (in the actual recording)
[23:49:27] Paladine: krisp_, sounds like your recording profile isset to low quality or something other than high quality
[23:49:37] krisp_: in live tv its the same way
[23:49:43] kormoc: quality doesn't change the resolution of the picture
[23:49:50] Paladine: but I am a noob soI should shut up and let the ops answer in case I am wrong :)
[23:49:51] kormoc: and capture size wouldn't as well
[23:50:03] krisp_: its wierd
[23:50:06] kormoc: it could be just that your provider is just sending it that way
[23:50:11] krisp_: it's not
[23:50:12] kormoc: does it look that way on the normal tv?
[23:50:17] krisp_: it looks normal when i use it in windows
[23:50:23] krisp_: and looks normal in xawtv
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[23:50:27] ack_f0o: kormoc: Default Input is set to Tuner — but I need it to take a coax input *(PVR-150)
[23:50:56] ack_f0o: no disrepect meant — I am a mature computer user, and did not mean to offend anyone on the channel.
[23:51:01] Paladine: ack, you not got svideo out on your stb?
[23:51:03] krisp_: its like the picture is shifted slightly to the right
[23:51:21] ack_f0o: paladine: i am splitting my coax input from the box
[23:51:24] krisp_: and you can see the black stripe in the preview pane on recordings
[23:51:38] krisp_: it's very odd, and beyondtv doesn't do it
[23:51:51] krisp_: it's all that is keeping me from switching over full time
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[23:52:50] ack_f0o: paladine: it looks great when I llook at the coax to TV — and my LIRC conf shifts the channels as expected
[23:53:16] Paladine: ack_f0o, I love my svideo out on my stb
[23:53:24] Paladine: works great with pvr150
[23:53:36] kormoc: ack_f0o, it's not that we're offended, it's just more that the people who tend to do that just tend to be problems in the channel.
[23:54:08] kormoc: ack_f0o, as for how to set it up, I don't know, as I don't know how to do it, but I'm sure some people here do do it
[23:54:19] ack_f0o: paladine: my svideo goes out to my tv — no svideo in...? i have composite and coax in methinks
[23:54:35] Paladine: pvr150 has svideo in
[23:54:44] ack_f0o: kormoc: just wanted to be sure all knew I meant no dissing =]
[23:54:49] Paladine: I knowcos I am using it on mine :)
[23:54:56] ack_f0o: not mce version?
[23:55:19] ack_f0o: well and my DCT700 has coax and comp out..
[23:55:20] Paladine: afaik there is no difference between the actual cards apart from the mce version having fm tuner as well
[23:55:36] ack_f0o: do I need to swap to comp to keep it from trying to tune internally?
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[23:56:03] Paladine: I think you just need to set the capture setting to external tuner
[23:56:04] kormoc: composite would likely look better then coax anyway
[23:56:10] Paladine: I haven't rigged up my blaster yet
[23:56:36] Paladine: capture card even
[23:56:41] Paladine: in the channel setup screen iirc
[23:57:22] ack_f0o: brb
[23:59:32] Paladine: hey kormoc, if I setup the "unofficial" mythstreamer plugin, can I use it for mythvideo as well as mythtv? or just for mythtv?
[23:59:56] Paladine: cos it would be nice to have acces to my dvd archive when I am in a hotel away on business :)

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