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    datetime:  2010-12-02 08:31:08 (UTC)
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Wednesday, September 20th, 2006, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:16] Anduin: promacuser: Ok, just enough to reproduce it or your can try with "The Sentinel"
[00:00:51] Anduin: Flimzy: In mythtv-setup you would go to the channel editor, scroll down to the channel, hit select, there is a checkbox
[00:01:23] promacuser: ok, i will try
[00:02:45] promacuser: Anduin: i can't exactly copy it from the mythbox. do you want me to write everything that's there?
[00:03:46] Anduin: promacuser: just the errors, why can't you copy it from the myth machine?
[00:04:05] promacuser: Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/imdb.pl line 225. Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/imdb.pl at line 226
[00:04:18] promacuser: it comes up in the GUI
[00:04:20] promacuser: is there a way to copy that?
[00:05:04] Anduin: promacuser: You can just run imdb.pl from the command line: ./imdb.pl -M "The Sentinel" ./imdb.pl -D imdbnumber
[00:06:12] promacuser: um, ok, i think that worked
[00:06:18] promacuser: no errors on that
[00:06:45] Anduin: promacuser: And you replace /usr/blah/imdb.pl with the modified 0.20 one?
[00:06:49] Anduin: d
[00:07:56] promacuser: Anduin: yes
[00:08:45] Anduin: promacuser: There should be no difference, try with your failing title
[00:08:51] mishehu: where do I find the keys for mythdvd to navigate?
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[00:09:17] mishehu: though usually there was a config file somewhere in /usr/share/mythtv, but i'm not finding it.
[00:09:45] promacuser: same errors
[00:09:51] Anduin: mishehu: It depends on the player
[00:09:57] promacuser: brb
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[00:11:32] TheMafia: where do I put avi files to play through the gui?
[00:11:56] mishehu: Anduin: thought you guys remembered from a few lines ago that I was using the internal player ;-)
[00:12:44] Anduin: TheMafia: if you have MythVideo installed you put them where MythVideo looks for them.
[00:12:49] mishehu: the only buttons that I know how to work are the M key, enter, and the number keys
[00:13:04] Anduin: mishehu: I have a memory that lasts only a line or two :)
[00:13:14] TheMafia: Anduin, where does mythvideo look for them? I am using the knoppmythtv to play with it
[00:13:26] Anduin: mishehu: up down left right
[00:13:35] mishehu: Anduin: ok, so you're doing a little worse than me today... I can seem to handle 4 lines.
[00:13:37] promacuser: Anduin: it gives similar errors, but with different line numbers
[00:13:43] Anduin: TheMafia: It is in the MythVideo setup screen.
[00:13:56] mishehu: up down left right don't seem to do anything for me
[00:14:10] mishehu: at least nothing ends up on the screen, so it's hard to select items from a dvd menu.
[00:14:38] Anduin: promacuser: Yeah, the line numbers seem to correspond to a missing title, without a movie to reproduce it I'm going to have to depend on you to submit a patch.
[00:14:57] promacuser: i tried Amadeus
[00:16:25] Anduin: promacuser: 0229208 ok I'll look at it
[00:18:57] mishehu: Anduin: you know, it does work (the directionals), but it's damn hard to tell what's being selectedon the dvd menu because there's no cursor or anything to show what is currently being selected.
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[00:20:13] Anduin: mishehu: Ah, yeah but that is like a normal DVD player (the DVD menu determines how it looks)
[00:21:44] Anduin: promacuser: Yeah it doesn't like the ???? for a year
[00:22:38] Flimzy: Grr
[00:22:42] Flimzy: now none of the tuners are workingg
[00:22:42] Flimzy: WTF?
[00:27:44] promacuser: Anduin: is that what's going on?
[00:28:50] promacuser: Anduin: i'm sure it had a year before!
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[00:32:01] linagee: how much does an HD mythtv-compatible card cost? $800? lol
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[00:33:20] Anduin: promacuser: The movie entry does, the only way I can reproduce it is to include the TV entry
[00:34:54] Flimzy: I am still getting absolutely no sound from my PVR-500
[00:34:56] Flimzy: WTF?
[00:35:44] Flimzy: hmm... lsmod shows that wm8775 is being used by nothing
[00:36:04] promacuser: Anduin: so how do i fix this?
[00:36:20] linagee: does a pcHDTV HD-5500 support cox digital cable? hrm...
[00:36:49] ** linagee checks forums **
[00:36:57] Anduin: promacuser: For the right entry (movies) it shouldn't be broken, or are you seeing something different?
[00:38:32] promacuser: Anduin: it's for movies, and i'm still getting the error. in MythVideo, I'm searching the IMDB database and it's coming up with the error
[00:40:13] MikeG: Is there a guide somewhere describing a setup using an external tuner (dct-6200 for me) and a pcHDTV3000 card? All the guides that I've found assume that you will tune the channels via the tuner card. Instead, I just need to lock into whatever channel the 6200 sends it' s signal over.
[00:40:18] fryfrog: is there any way to scan the channels that are added via channel scan?
[00:40:27] fryfrog: I'd love to let it just cycle through until i see something :/
[00:41:42] Flimzy: ivtvctrl shows that video0 is muted... and I can't unmute it :(
[00:42:15] Anduin: promacuser: it should be returning two choices
[00:43:01] promacuser: Anduin: it doesn't return anything
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[00:48:25] Anduin: promacuser: Which should only happen when there is one entry
[00:48:46] promacuser: Anduin: more than one entry, you mean? or if it finds nothing.
[00:48:48] Anduin: promacuser: Does resetting the metadata and trying again change that?
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[00:49:05] promacuser: Anduin: nope, it doesn't work on movies that don't have any metadata
[00:49:12] Anduin: promacuser: When it finds nothing it gives you an empty selection, when it finds one entry it assumes that is it.
[00:49:22] promacuser: Anduin: right
[00:49:34] Paladine: mythgallery really does rock
[00:49:55] promacuser: Anduin: but i did reset a few movies that now don't have data and it can't be found
[00:51:38] Flimzy: Ha! Got it. Had to rename a firmware file.
[00:51:41] Flimzy: silly naming conventions
[00:55:07] Anduin: promacuser: try this one: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . l?format=raw still need to make the binmode changes
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[01:03:29] promacuser: Anduin: lots more errors, but different ones
[01:03:41] promacuser: "Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//)
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[01:04:06] promacuser: Anduin: but it found the movie this time
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[01:09:03] Anduin: promacuser: what was the line number on that error?
[01:09:30] promacuser: Anduin: 294, 309, 350
[01:09:34] promacuser: some more that don't show up
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[01:13:30] Anduin: promacuser: should only happen with invalid imdb numbers (that is during a poster fetch attempt)
[01:14:55] fryfrog: a while ago, someone mentioned using a script to weed out unviewable encrypted channels and pointed me to the wiki page for QAM... but i couldn't find any mention of something like that
[01:14:59] fryfrog: anyone heard of it?
[01:15:00] promacuser: so why's it happening here?
[01:16:26] godless: hi, I'm unable to tune into channels that are not in the range of around 495 till 567 mhz, using an ivtv card (pvr350)
[01:19:02] Anduin: promacuser: No idea, can you reproduce from the command line?
[01:19:04] godless: when I try to change to a channel in the 120mhz range for example, it seems to switch but then takes the last working channel, if I take a channel in the 500 range then it switches without a problem
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[01:23:14] promacuser: Anduin: not with the sentinel
[01:23:31] promacuser: Anduin: not with anything
[01:25:33] Anduin: promacuser: Yeah, the only way I can reproduce it is with an invalid id, the latest version up there won't give the error (but it won't get a poster either)
[01:26:52] Klink: fryfrog: You looking for this http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB_search
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[01:28:49] SirPageno: I've recently changed my myth box from a slackware distro to LFS/BLFS...And I have a few bugs I could use some help with
[01:29:17] SirPageno: 1) no sound from my ATI tv-wonder ve, i'm not sure which audio device in /dev/ to use
[01:29:48] SirPageno: I have the following in /dev/snd
[01:29:52] SirPageno: controlC0 pcmC0D0c pcmC0D0p pcmC0D1c timer
[01:30:08] SirPageno: any clues?
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[01:32:18] Fnc: evening all.. .
[01:32:24] promacuser: Anduin: so maybe i'm gonna have to do it manually?
[01:32:33] Fnc: does anyone have a divico fusion 5 card?
[01:33:19] Fnc: my hd ota seems to be intermittant... on my stand alone box.. all is well... stong signal and all.. but right now on my myth box.. i cant lock any of the hidef stuff
[01:33:36] Anduin: promacuser: This is with something other than Amadeus right? Basically if -M returns valid ids and there is a poster it shouldn't fail.
[01:35:42] promacuser: Anduin: it's everythign. Apollo 13, 2001: a space odyssey, etc
[01:36:46] Fnc: pro yougot them in anything like dvd profiler?
[01:37:06] Anduin: promacuser: So using -M and taking the id and feeding it to -P and you see the same?
[01:37:06] promacuser: Fnc: dvd profiler?
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[01:37:22] promacuser: Anduin: -M doesn't give out an id
[01:37:25] Fnc: google it... then check out this link.. but let me find it first
[01:37:28] promacuser: is it supposed to?
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[01:37:40] Anduin: promacuser: Yes id:title
[01:38:18] promacuser: Anduin: ok, it doesn't give me anything
[01:38:52] Anduin: promacuser: so ./imdb.pl -M "Apollo 13" get you nothing?
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[01:38:56] Anduin: s
[01:40:07] WAR_CH|LD: ok, I have hte lircd setup
[01:40:14] WAR_CH|LD: now I need to configure the native lircd myth support
[01:40:24] WAR_CH|LD: from other examples i'm trying to work out whats what
[01:40:43] WAR_CH|LD: in the config file for each button you have a stanza
[01:41:00] WAR_CH|LD: am I assuming correctly that "button" is the button name you defined in the lircd.conf
[01:41:11] WAR_CH|LD: and that "config" is the keyboard command within myth?
[01:41:22] WAR_CH|LD: and whats "repeat" for?
[01:41:32] promacuser: Anduin: yes
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[01:41:56] Anduin: promacuser: shouldn't happen, works fine here
[01:42:19] Anduin: WAR_CH|LD: Yes, and repeat is to let it ignore x resends
[01:42:53] WAR_CH|LD: ah, ok.
[01:42:55] WAR_CH|LD: nice, nice.. thanks.
[01:44:06] Fnc: does anyone have a divico fusion 5 card?
[01:44:06] Fnc: Fnc: my hd ota seems to be intermittant... on my stand alone box.. all is well... stong signal and all.. but right now on my myth box.. i cant lock any of the hidef stuff
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[01:44:30] WAR_CH|LD: so now to find a list of all the keyboard commands. :)
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[01:47:02] Fnc: http://japhule.collinsreport.com/DVDProfiler2XBMC/index.html
[01:47:24] WAR_CH|LD: Anduin: whats the default location for the mythtv lirc file......... 3 different bits of documentation I have here and 3 different locations
[01:47:33] WAR_CH|LD: ~/.mythtv/.lirc ?
[01:47:40] WAR_CH|LD: +rc
[01:48:11] WAR_CH|LD: or just
[01:48:16] WAR_CH|LD: ~/.mythtv/lircrc ?
[01:48:56] Anduin: WAR_CH|LD: the myth one is only ~/.mythtv/lircrc (unless you are running SVN and updated since last night)
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[01:49:22] WAR_CH|LD: ok, i'm running svn and have not updated since last night.. where they move it too?
[01:49:52] Anduin: WAR_CH|LD: Not moved, just allowed ~/.lircrc if ~/.mythtv/lircrc doesn't exist.
[01:50:03] WAR_CH|LD: ah, ok. nice
[01:51:02] WAR_CH|LD: cool, thanks.
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[01:54:04] promacuser: Anduin: maybe i'll just have to refresh the whole system. gotta wait until i have a free weekend, though
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[01:55:02] fiveiron: anyone using an ATI TV wonder?
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[01:58:56] Anduin: promacuser: Upgrading to 0.20 isn't the worst idea, though you are already using that imdb.pl (if you can't get it to work from the command line it just isn't going to). It was working a few minutes ago for you and the changed made shouldn't have stopped it. Anyway good luck.
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[02:03:01] promacuser: Anduin: thanks. i just knwo that it takes me more time than i think to make all the settings up to what i want
[02:03:10] promacuser: Anduin: does the netflix section work in .20?
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[02:09:38] Anduin: promacuser: I don't use it (last time I tried it wasn't that fun)
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[02:20:19] Fnc: anyone using one of these?
[02:20:21] Fnc: AirStar-HD5000AV-PCI
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[02:24:13] Fnc: or the hdhomerun?
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[02:28:24] CruzBullit: Has anyone used a HP Digital Entertainment Center Z555 with mythtv? How is the support? Do the tuners work?
[02:28:47] CruzBullit: this seems like a pretty hot deal http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=TS-55 . . . te=TS-555Z-R
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[02:41:16] Tall-guy: dudes, I upgraded to .20 last week, my frontend keeps hanging with a <defunct> status while watching recordings (usually while manually skipping a commercial), and I can't KILL anything! whatgives?
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[02:45:25] monkeypet: Tall-guy, after you upgraded did you rerun mythtvsetup?
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[02:45:42] Tall-guy: monkey: I did....but nothing seemed to need changing....
[02:46:04] Tall-guy: (and why can't I kill nuttin???)
[02:46:11] monkeypet: Tall-guy: on one setup, I had to delete my capture card info and recreate it. It started acting wierdo!
[02:46:38] Tall-guy: hmmmm.... maybe thats it (hauppage 350)
[02:46:53] monkeypet: Tall-guy: 150, but close enough.
[02:47:00] Tall-guy: I've got 2 frontends stuck in defunct right now, and the X server ....and all three are sucking the processor dry right now.
[02:47:11] monkeypet: Tall-guy: Did you see anything interesting in the logs?
[02:47:13] Tall-guy: (wife is sitting here rather pissed that CSI miami is stuck!)
[02:47:32] Tall-guy: where is the frontend log hiding?
[02:47:50] monkeypet: Tall-guy: You need to redirect it into a file, me thinks.
[02:48:01] monkeypet: Tall-guy: It is just the output of it.
[02:48:03] Tall-guy: ah, yes, so right now...no log then :)
[02:49:28] Tall-guy: ok, so you're suggesting....reboot the bugger, go into mythtvsetup, yank the card......and re-add it?
[02:50:31] Anduin: readding the card is to handle input renames, nothing more
[02:50:49] Tall-guy: anduin: any other suggestions????
[02:51:20] Tall-guy: (I "yummed" this thing to update )
[02:51:35] monkeypet: Tall-guy: No, stop the backend, run mythtvsetup, delete all capture card, readd them.
[02:52:24] Tall-guy: nuttin to lose by trying :)
[02:52:34] Anduin: He is watching recordings when it hangs, not a live-tv thing or a bad capture thing
[02:52:39] CruzBullit: Has anyone used a HP Digital Entertainment Center Z555 with mythtv? How is the support? Do the tuners work?
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[02:53:05] Anduin: CruzBullit: The mail list would have more eyes
[02:53:06] Tall-guy: anduin: however it WAS doing a record at the same time (if thats pertinent)
[02:53:36] CruzBullit: Thanks Anduin, I'll try that.
[02:53:37] Anduin: Tall-guy: Only to the 350 not doing so well many places when it is asked to do both.
[02:53:59] Tall-guy: anduin: could you say that again,....lost in translation I think.
[02:54:35] Anduin: Tall-guy: check dmesg
[02:55:53] Tall-guy: anduin: too late...rebooted
[02:56:45] monkeypet: Tall-guy: Why are you rebooting?
[02:57:34] Tall-guy: monkeypet: cause everything was HOOPED....capitally hooped...couldn't kill those processes, couldn't kill X, couldn't do squat
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[02:58:42] monkeypet: Tall-guy: That is a bad thing!
[02:58:59] Tall-guy: monkey: hence my visit to you lovely folks instead of watching "H" on csi :)
[02:59:44] monkeypet: Tall-guy: Did you install from atrpms?
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[03:01:06] Tall-guy: monkey: yeah, I think thats where yum grabbed it from...
[03:01:30] monkeypet: Tall-guy: Did you upgrade anything else or just mythtv?
[03:02:53] Tall-guy: monkey: well, I had a crapload of dependcie issues (big surprise).....
[03:02:59] Tall-guy: lotsa KDE issues.
[03:03:17] Tall-guy: (FC3)
[03:03:23] monkeypet: Tall-guy: Did you upgrade ivtv?
[03:04:00] Tall-guy: monkey: I didn't, but I'm at .4.6 which is the latest for my kernel 2.6.10
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[03:05:20] Paladine: man gallery2 so sucks
[03:05:21] nandy__: anyone particularily familiar with xorg modelines?
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[03:06:26] Tall-guy: monkey: or was that a false assumption?
[03:08:22] WAR_CH|LD: ok, i've setup LIRC and everything, but i'm in mythfrontend and when I hit the arrow keys it's skipping two options, not just going up and down one at a time
[03:08:24] WAR_CH|LD: wahts the go?
[03:08:34] monkeypet: Tall-guy: Hmm, let me check where I am at... 0.7.0 for the 2.6.17
[03:09:04] monkeypet: WAR_CH|LD: Did you configure the frontend to use lirc and also an external program?
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[03:09:48] WAR_CH|LD: afaik, just hte frontend
[03:10:03] WAR_CH|LD: would maybe xwindows have something without my knowledge?
[03:10:18] monkeypet: WAR_CH|LD: What does your .lircrc look like?
[03:10:42] hjohnson: ooh, I managed to free up the PCI slot covered by the serial port on my new machine.. turns out the wire reaches to other slots
[03:11:14] WAR_CH|LD: um, I just made one in ~/.mythtv/lircrc
[03:11:54] monkeypet: WAR_CH|LD: You aren't running irexec or irxevent?
[03:12:01] WAR_CH|LD: no
[03:12:06] WAR_CH|LD: I didn't start them anyway
[03:12:24] monkeypet: WAR_CH|LD: When you startup irw and press the button do you see one or two entries?
[03:12:38] WAR_CH|LD: good question
[03:12:55] WAR_CH|LD: two
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[03:13:07] monkeypet: WAR_CH|LD: Are all the buttons like that?
[03:13:30] WAR_CH|LD: looks like it
[03:13:45] WAR_CH|LD: this is obviously my problem. :)
[03:14:00] monkeypet: WAR_CH|LD: what remote?
[03:14:15] WAR_CH|LD: um, it's a remote that came with my fusionHD dual digital
[03:14:25] WAR_CH|LD: Dvico
[03:14:57] WAR_CH|LD: would it be a setting in the /etc/lircd.conf?
[03:15:08] Tall-guy: monkey: ok....when you do a "dmesg" what version does ivtv report??? (I think I found a smoking gun)
[03:15:39] monkeypet: WAR_CH|LD: I would guess that it is the lircd itself at fault not any application configuration (like frontend or xwindows).
[03:15:56] monkeypet: Tall-guy: Version that I gave you earlier.
[03:16:09] WAR_CH|LD: yeah, from this little testing we did I agree, but I would think that the lircd.conf was bad
[03:16:12] WAR_CH|LD: something wrong there
[03:16:28] monkeypet: WAR_CH|LD: Yes, something there...
[03:16:37] WAR_CH|LD: or you thinking a code problem?
[03:16:47] Tall-guy: monkey
[03:16:50] monkeypet: WAR_CH|LD: Probably a conf issue with lircd.
[03:16:54] Tall-guy: sheet, mine says 0.20!!!!
[03:16:56] WAR_CH|LD: nice, thanks. :) i'll play
[03:17:05] monkeypet: Tall-guy: Let me double check
[03:18:23] monkeypet: Tall-guy: 0.7
[03:18:44] monkeypet: Tall-guy: Why are you running such an old version of ivtv?
[03:18:50] Tall-guy: yeah, crap....apparently I saw the NEW version listed on yum, and thought I was checking my existing version (dumphuk).....
[03:19:01] Tall-guy: monkey: cause I'm lazy, and it's been working for SOOO long :)
[03:19:16] Tall-guy: ...off I go to update my ivtv (guarantee thats got sumthin 2 do with my troubles)
[03:19:17] monkeypet: Tall-guy: lol, you don't tinker.
[03:19:29] Tall-guy: monkey: I tinker tons...but not with my WIFES pvr!!!
[03:19:46] monkeypet: Tall-guy: You have to do it when she is sleeping. lol.
[03:20:01] Tall-guy: monkeypet: yeah, clever me updated to .20 when she was sleeping , look what that got me :)
[03:20:02] monkeypet: Tall-guy: Then you have the whole night to fix it before she wakes.
[03:21:02] monkeypet: Tall-guy: I remember upgrading was kinda tricky... good luck.. also check the ivtv wiki frontpage, I thought they had versions for specific version of the kernel.
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[03:21:39] Tall-guy: yeah, I had all sorts of issues in 2004 getting this working from the begginning...all the result of ivtv troubles....I'm a bit hesitant to just "yum" it.
[03:21:55] monkeypet: Tall-guy: IVTV got alot more stable...
[03:22:02] Tall-guy: apparently 4.6 is the latest version for kernels older than 2.15 (ie: mine)
[03:22:04] monkeypet: Tall-guy: I remember I had tons of issues with 0.2
[03:22:11] ho_9: xris: got your ears on?
[03:22:30] Tall-guy: (I just gotta say "rubber ducky"....sorry ho_0)
[03:22:53] ho_9: Tall-guy: is my age showing?
[03:23:03] Tall-guy: ho: apparently mine 2
[03:23:33] Tall-guy: lemme dust off my Tandy 14 channel walkie-talkies.....complete with morse-code legend on the front, and I'll get back to u.
[03:23:45] ho_9: Tall-guy: would you prefer if I pinged xris?  ;-)
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[03:24:32] Tall-guy: ho_9: One ping only , vasily.....
[03:24:50] sphing: SlicerDicer: you around?
[03:24:59] ho_9: Tall-guy: Crazy Ivan!!
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[03:25:53] Tall-guy: ho_9:  :)
[03:26:00] WAR_CH|LD: monkeypet, I sorted it... togglebit in the conf was 1, needed to be 0
[03:26:12] monkeypet: WAR_CH|LD: Good work!
[03:26:19] xris: ?
[03:26:23] Tall-guy: ..."shum thingzh in here don't react to well to bulletsh"
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[03:27:06] defaultro: good evening folks
[03:27:16] WAR_CH|LD: monkeypet, next question. do I have to setup another file for mplayer.. for when myth launches it
[03:27:19] ho_9: xris: I haven't seen this as a mythweb question for 0.20-fixes. hope you don't mind if I ask..
[03:27:23] WAR_CH|LD: when watching my divx'd dvd's, etc?
[03:27:41] ho_9: xris: all modules for mythweb are fine except the guide
[03:27:49] ho_9: xris: I get: Error at /var/www/html/mythweb/modules/tv/handler.php, line 54:
[03:27:50] ho_9: main(includes/recording_schedules.php): failed to open stream: No such file or directory
[03:28:12] defaultro: I'm thinking of buying a security camera for my porch. I spoke to the vendor and they told me that it can be connected to a television via RCA. I'm thinking that I can connect it to a PVR150 card. Am I correct that PVR150 can record via the RCA input port?
[03:28:13] ho_9: xris: I patched per mythtv homepage
[03:28:27] Tall-guy: defaultro: video is video :)
[03:28:44] defaultro: cool
[03:28:59] defaultro: however, how do I configure mythtv to record or watch it?
[03:29:21] monkeypet: WAR_CH|LD: I don't remember, but I think you can keep it one file, but need another entry for the button to point to mplayer.
[03:29:23] ho_9: defaultro: set up a channel mapped to the input
[03:29:30] defaultro: ah
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[03:29:56] defaultro: where do the mapping happen? mythtv-setup?
[03:30:04] defaultro: i mean, where is it configured?
[03:30:10] defaultro: do you have an instruction I can follow?
[03:30:25] hads: Yes, mythtv-setup
[03:30:46] ho_9: defaultro: need to set up the input in mythtv-setup and create a bogus channel for it
[03:30:46] xris: ho_9: huh?
[03:31:10] ho_9: xris: I installed mythweb 0.20 from tar and then patched per mythtv homepage
[03:31:39] monkeypet: WAR_CH|LD: Try adding an entry to .mythtv/lircrc, then symlinking to ~/.lircrc
[03:31:54] ho_9: xris: I can login to mythweb and get the initial menu (tv, music, video, weather, etc)
[03:31:54] xris: ho_9: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/newticket
[03:32:10] ho_9: xris: just wanted to make sure it merited it
[03:32:13] ** Tall-guy lets out a "heck poo" **
[03:32:26] xris: ho_9: still not sure what you mean. if you fixed a bug, please submit a ticket. if not, I'm still confused.
[03:32:56] ho_9: xris: never attribute to an error that which can be easily explained through user stupidity (to paraphrase) ;-)
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[03:33:31] ho_9: xris: it seems to be a bug, but I didn't want to assume it was and I couldn't find a similar issue in the lists archive (dev or user)
[03:33:32] xris: ho_9: I don't know what the error is that you say you patched, though
[03:33:38] Tall-guy: monkeypet: I think I'm hooped: missing dep: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12–2.3.legacy_FC3 for pkg ivtv-kmdl-2.6.12–2.3.legacy_FC3
[03:33:40] Paladine: am gonna throw all my toys out of the pram in a minute if gallery2 doesn't start behaving
[03:33:41] ho_9: xris: not patched. just error
[03:34:03] ho_9: error is: Error at /var/www/html/mythweb/modules/tv/handler.php, line 54:
[03:34:03] ho_9: main(includes/recording_schedules.php): failed to open stream: No such file or directory
[03:34:06] monkeypet: Tall-guy: Yeah, atrpm only keeps the last couple kmdl.
[03:34:18] Tall-guy: monkeypet: so I gotta kernel upgrade?
[03:34:25] xris: ho_9: does that file exist?
[03:34:27] monkeypet: Tall-guy: Yup.
[03:34:32] Tall-guy: sheet
[03:34:53] ho_9: xris: handler.php exists and recording_schedules.php exists
[03:35:26] xris: did you follow the instructions in the readme for how to configure apache, etc?
[03:35:36] xris: you shouldn't be getting that error.
[03:35:50] ho_9: xris: yes. had 0.19-fixes working ok and edited .htaccess with similar settings
[03:36:01] ho_9: xris: all other modules work except tv
[03:36:16] monkeypet: Tall-guy: Yup, when you upgrade your kernel you might need to upgrade the lircd kmdl also.
[03:36:37] ho_9: xris: totally deleted 0.19-fixes mythweb directory and recreated from tar image
[03:36:46] xris: ok
[03:36:50] defaultro: ho_9, I haven't played with other mythtv's feature. Am I correct that I can set it up to record video from security camera from 7pm to 6am daily, then after 5 recordings assuming I forgot to delete it manually, expire the first one?
[03:37:03] monkeypet: Tall-guy: I didn't know people still built packages for fc3... just upgrade to fc4 or 5.
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[03:37:14] xris: any chance you could pull .20-fixes and see how that works? There have been some fixes there since the tarball was made.
[03:37:24] Tall-guy: monkeypet: i'm not looking forward to this :)
[03:37:25] ho_9: defaultro: should be able to with a manual recording rule
[03:37:42] defaultro: gotcha
[03:37:51] defaultro: how much are pvr 150's nowadays?
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[03:38:06] ShockValue: anyone have experience getting ac3/passthrough with intel HD audio, (ich7 i think) ?
[03:38:23] ho_9: xris: noticed that. just pull the full plugins branch and just copy over mythweb?
[03:38:28] monkeypet: Tall-guy: Not that bad, suck it up now... you will need to do it eventually anyways.
[03:38:50] defaultro: ho_9, this is what I'm planning to put in my porch, http://www.vitekcctv.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductID=190
[03:38:54] Tall-guy: monkey: yeah, I can just see me breaking something tonite :)
[03:38:56] ho_9: defaultro: on sale for version w/o remote I've seen for $60 AR, IIRC
[03:38:57] xris: ho_9: you can check out just mythweb.
[03:39:08] xris: svn co http..../mythplugins/mythweb
[03:39:14] monkeypet: Tall-guy: You got the whole night to fix it! I'll hold your hand. lol.
[03:39:29] defaultro: hi xris, how's your mythweb?
[03:39:38] defaultro: any new features?
[03:39:51] Tall-guy: monkey: think I should yumm it?
[03:40:03] ho_9: xris: k. thx. I'll give it a try.
[03:40:23] xris: defaultro: not since .20 came out
[03:40:25] xris: just fixes
[03:40:28] monkeypet: Tall-guy: I never tried that way... afraid of it and heard it is unsupported...
[03:40:38] defaultro: yeah, i read there was a fix for .20a
[03:40:41] monkeypet: Tall-guy: Pop in a CD or DVD and just do it that way.
[03:40:42] defaultro: I haven't donwloaded it yet
[03:40:45] ho_9: defaultro: you might have to mute the audio input for that camera. not sure how it would handle no audio otherwise
[03:40:59] defaultro: oh, thanks for saying that
[03:41:31] defaultro: what drivers are needed for that hauppage? ivtv?
[03:41:46] defaultro: i heard horror stories about ivtv drivers
[03:41:56] Tall-guy: monkey: I have NEVER done an upgrade to the kernel that way...
[03:42:08] monkeypet: Tall-guy: Oh, you only doing the kernel?
[03:42:17] monkeypet: Tall-guy: Yeah, do it via yum!
[03:42:25] Tall-guy: monkey: no, not necessarily....I've just never upgraded from linux version "x" to version "x+1"
[03:42:36] defaultro: hey folks, do you have any recommendation on a rackmountable KVM switch?
[03:42:37] monkeypet: Tall-guy: I thought you meant upgrade fc3->fc4
[03:42:47] Tall-guy: monkey: (ideally, I mean fc3 to fc4)
[03:42:54] Anduin: defaultro: There are horror stories about everything, even pets.
[03:42:55] monkeypet: Tall-guy: My system has been upgraded since fc2->fc3->fc4.
[03:43:13] monkeypet: Tall-guy: Using the CD/DVD method...
[03:43:29] monkeypet: Tall-guy: I have yet to lose anything from the upgrade...
[03:44:14] ho_9: defaultro: never had problems w/ivtv. had some problems with video4linux and ivtv stepping on each other in RPMs though
[03:44:28] monkeypet: defaultro: ivtv is okay...
[03:44:49] Tall-guy: monkey: I'm just thinking of what I gotta hook up (my box is headless/keyboardless right now) :)
[03:45:03] ho_9: ls
[03:45:14] ho_9: sorry, wrong process  ;-)
[03:45:24] monkeypet: Tall-guy: Yeah, I always haul in a monitor/keyboard for upgrades, mine is headless also.
[03:46:14] Tall-guy: well, what the heck, no time like the present....
[03:46:47] monkeypet: Tall-guy: Yup, suck it up now... are you going to fc4 or fc5? I haven't tried fc5 yet, wanting to do so.
[03:47:30] Tall-guy: well, I spose I could do 5......do I need to step to 4 before 5 anyhoo? or can I go all the way? I've heard some people bitching about 5 being a resource hog...(not that I care really)
[03:49:02] ho_9: xris: it can walk! it can talk! it can even boogie! (thanks)
[03:50:28] xris: ho_9: weird that it wouldn't before. but glad it works.  :)
[03:50:31] monkeypet: Tall-guy: Yeah, but i don't know all the solutions to fc5 yet, I don't think you need to step.
[03:51:07] Klink: Hey SlicerDicer...you around?
[03:51:16] grndslm: anybody know how i can request a certain ip from my router?? i need it to be a static address?
[03:51:39] Tall-guy: monkey: solutions...ie: mythtv solutions?
[03:51:48] Tall-guy: grndslm: what router?
[03:52:08] monkeypet: Tall-guy: No, I just meant to say, I have no experience with fc5.
[03:52:29] Tall-guy: monkey: ah, so you're gonna hold my hand, and let go when I get to the edge....you bastard!!! :)
[03:52:31] ho_9: xris: hate to burst my own bubble but – recorded programs only seems to show new 0.20 recorded. older ones can be seen if I use the dropdown but not for All
[03:53:20] ho_9: grndslm: if the router doesn't support DDNS you need to set static on the server, not the router. make sure you choose an address outside the dhcp range
[03:53:43] xris: ho_9: that's weird. no clue how to fix it, though. "all" should so everything; it's the others that are restrictive.
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[03:54:06] metalac: hey guys
[03:54:09] ho_9: xris: is it a problem that old recordings are .nuv and new are .mpg?
[03:54:29] xris: shouldn't be
[03:54:35] xris: the recordings list comes straight from the backend
[03:54:54] metalac: I'm trying to watch HDTV and right now without XvMC it's using about 50–55% of CPU, which is fine with me I don't need to go lower, but the image is still jittery and sound gets choppy on occasion
[03:54:56] ho_9: xris: looks OK on the myth view
[03:55:00] metalac: any clue what might be causing it?
[03:55:17] metalac: i have 512mb of RAM and all of it's used up, any clue if I should maybe bump up the RAM?
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[03:55:58] ho_9: metalac: what processor and what type of HDTV (1080i, 720p, )?
[03:56:13] metalac: ho_9: it's 1080i and it's a sempron 2800+
[03:56:26] WAR_CH|LD: monkeypet: yeah, I think you are right.. and I grab someone else's from this wiki post but I think it's wrong for me...... I also completed that symlink earlier. :)
[03:56:40] WAR_CH|LD: right now I have some buttons working in just mplayer, if I play a video by it's self...
[03:56:43] ho_9: metalac: s/b enough. check list archives?
[03:56:50] WAR_CH|LD: but if I go into myth and play a video, it wont work at all
[03:57:09] metalac: ho_9: no i didn't check anything yet, i just got it going
[03:58:02] ho_9: metalac: I don't run HDTV, but there have been alot of jitter posts
[03:58:36] monkeypet: WAR_CH|LD: Basically use irw and make sure the buttons are labelled right.
[03:58:43] ho_9: xris: any clue that if I use the dropdown to select a prog w/ 5 eps it only shows 2 of them?
[03:58:55] WAR_CH|LD: yeah, I haev to check the mplayer manual I tihnk
[03:59:04] WAR_CH|LD: make sure the commands are right
[03:59:16] xris: ho_9: are the files all on the same machine?
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[03:59:27] monkeypet: WAR_CH|LD: I think there is a list of commands somewhere, but I forget...
[03:59:38] ho_9: xris: combined back/front-end
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[04:00:15] WAR_CH|LD: yeah, i've seen a list before.. i'll have to find it. :)
[04:00:39] monkeypet: WAR_CH|LD: I got one you can reference... You want?
[04:00:43] metalac: ho_9: well i think it might be ram for me, the usage goes up by 6% on frontend and 4% on backend, and since i'm tapped out it might be the problem
[04:00:47] xris: ho_9: skips things with no chanid, and livetv recordings when in the "all" group
[04:01:05] nandy__: anyone know why when i set the GUI X offset to >30 my menu draws and then disapears?
[04:01:08] WAR_CH|LD: that was hard
[04:01:08] WAR_CH|LD: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/man/en/mplayer.1.html
[04:01:23] WAR_CH|LD: yeah, sure.. thanks.
[04:01:42] WAR_CH|LD: um, dcc ing it to me more than liekly wont work thou
[04:02:27] ho_9: xris: would duplicates of the same prog/eps be a prob? I recorded multiple of the new Fantastic Four cartoon
[04:02:52] monkeypet: WAR_CH|LD: http://yoeu.net/~fa/lircrc-sample
[04:03:30] xris: ho_9: shoudn't be unless it's the same chanid/starttime
[04:03:42] ho_9: xris: OK, that's weird. just tried All again and now get all
[04:04:09] monkeypet: Tall-guy: Let me know if fc5 works for you, I have been planning it for months now :)
[04:04:16] ho_9: xris: tried going back and forth from other in dropdown to All and got the same 3 at least 3 tries before
[04:04:21] Zider: does most digital boxes have firewire?
[04:04:27] Tall-guy: monkey: I will dude....i'm grabbin the whole dvd via torrent...I'll keep u plastered
[04:04:41] xris: Zider: only the HD ones, and sometimes only if you request one.
[04:04:52] Zider: hm
[04:05:23] ho_9: Zider: and only if the tech you talk to knows anything at all about DMCA firewire provision  ;-)
[04:05:33] Zider: hehe
[04:05:51] ho_9: Zider: you may need to put a lawyer on retainer
[04:05:53] Zider: well, the cable company I'll get only have a short list of supported boxes
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[04:06:23] ho_9: Zider: they only provide 1 box usually. but it is required to have firewire if you ask (get the lawyer now)
[04:06:24] WAR_CH|LD: alright, thanks
[04:06:38] ** hd420 realises that he needn't get mythtv :) **
[04:06:39] xris: ho_9: has little to do with the dmca
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[04:06:59] ho_9: xris: what was the applicable law? I thought it was DMCA?
[04:07:07] xris: ho_9: no, it's an fcc mandate
[04:07:08] Zider: ho_9: these offer a selection of 3 different boxes, but can support 10–15 other boxes if you already have one
[04:07:20] ho_9: Zider: (see why you need a lawyer)  ;-)
[04:08:00] xris: Zider: only applies to customers who receive HD channels. only legally required to provide 480p (SD) of channels you could otherwise get in HD over the air. downsampling hardware is expensive, so you get the full res stuff, but sometimes only the OTA stuff.
[04:08:01] ho_9: Zider: I don't know about you, but I'm not plunking down $400+ for a digital cable box
[04:08:27] ho_9: xris: supposed to be whatever they send in the clear
[04:08:29] krisp_: is there a reason the transport editor doesnt work for me in 0.20
[04:08:43] krisp_: it adds frequencies to the database but they dont show up and i cant scan by existing transports
[04:08:59] Zider: ho_9: I prefer not to.. but there's nothing about firewire on these boxes..
[04:09:07] xris: ho_9: no, it's only for OTA HD channels
[04:09:17] xris: which I guess is "in the clear"
[04:09:23] Tall-guy: monkeypet: 5 hrs for torrent :(
[04:09:36] ho_9: xris: I squat corrected (not much space next to my PC)  ;-)
[04:10:37] ho_9: Zider: might be a daughter card. wouldn't be a bad idea to post the model #'s on the users list and see if anyone else is using w/ firewire
[04:11:29] Zider: hm, seems like one of the boxes has a TP port at least.. ;)
[04:11:44] Zider: what is opentv?
[04:11:57] monkeypet: Tall-guy: Are you sure it isn't faster to download it?
[04:12:58] Tall-guy: monkey: ya never know :)
[04:13:30] ho_9: Zider: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO . . . oogle+Search
[04:13:44] ho_9: google (and wikipedia) is your friend
[04:14:06] monkeypet: Tall-guy: Hmm, maybe I should download it also and see who finishes first.
[04:14:36] Tall-guy: monkey: i'm gonna find a local mirro, see the spped (I'm getting 155K right now)
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[04:16:39] WAR_CH|LD: monkeypet, it defiantly isn't working
[04:16:46] WAR_CH|LD: i'ev given up caring right now thou
[04:16:49] WAR_CH|LD: i'm ganna take a break
[04:16:49] WAR_CH|LD: bbl
[04:17:28] krisp_: pcHDTV:GetSignal_V4l1(fd 11, input 3, v4l2) error(Invalid argument)
[04:17:33] krisp_: anyone see that before
[04:17:35] WAR_CH|LD: tahnks for your help. :) realy appreciated
[04:19:04] ho_9: nite all
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[04:23:16] Klink: is it safe to assume that if I can record a hidef channel off of my dct6200 that I could also tune that channel with a dvb card?
[04:23:41] monkeypet: Tall-guy: I am getting 250KB/s
[04:24:03] krisp_: hmm
[04:25:55] Tall-guy: monkey: dload or torr?
[04:27:14] monkeypet: Tall-guy: torr.
[04:27:34] Tall-guy: monkey: dang....I JUST put azurerus on this box...haven't tuned it yet.
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[04:29:29] Zider: ah well, off to bed.. nitey
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[04:31:54] Tall-guy: monkey: you around tomorrow?
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[04:34:40] Narkov: anyone having problems scheduling recordings via mythweb in 0.20 even after the additional patch?
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[04:37:20] xris: Narkov: which "additional patch"? There have been several.
[04:37:32] Narkov: the 11113 one
[04:37:38] Narkov: on the front page of mythtv.org
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[04:38:26] Narkov: i can record fine from the frontend but cant from mythweb
[04:39:14] xris: like I said, there have been several.
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[04:39:31] Narkov: there have been several 11113 patches??!!
[04:39:53] xris: Narkov: no. there have been several commits to fix the bug that one also attempted to fix.
[04:39:59] xris: update to the .20-fixes branch in svn (just mythweb). If you still have trouble, submit a bug and I'll fix it asap.
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[04:40:09] xris: afk
[04:40:55] Narkov: xris: thanks mate...is there a guide anywhere to show me how to svn just mythweb?
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[04:59:40] defaultro: hey folks, what's the suid bit again for chmod? Is it 4755? or a+s would be enough?
[05:00:09] krisp_: 4755 should work
[05:00:37] defaultro: ok
[05:00:44] defaultro: that would be on the mythfrontend right
[05:01:29] krisp_: dont know i dont use suid bit on any myth stuff
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[05:08:17] krisp_: how do i get rid of the 8 or so pixels of crap at the top of SDTV broadcasts
[05:13:38] Agrajag-: overscan
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[05:24:57] CCFL_Man_: can syslogd create seperate logs for each remote client dumping to it?
[05:31:08] WAR_CH|LD: speaking off svn, hte current update has done something screwy with the make file.. it's symlinked on to it's self.
[05:31:32] WAR_CH|LD: eg. you can not make it. :(
[05:33:19] WAR_CH|LD: am I assuming correctly it's meant to be symlinked to config/Makefile ??
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[05:41:31] hd420: How would I use myth to get stuff off my directv R15 to my PC?
[05:41:40] hd420: or can i use something else?
[05:41:50] sphing: are there nfs settings that well for nfs
[05:42:03] hd420: this isn't the tivo branded directv pvr, btw
[05:42:53] hd420: (that's the R10)
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[05:49:27] ShockValue: can the internal player of mythtv play isz files? (compressed iso)
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[05:54:39] Narkov: xris: you still around?
[05:55:15] Narkov: xris: any ideas where i should look to remove the image border from around channel icons in mythweb ?
[05:55:57] sphing: is anyone writing to an nfs server?
[05:56:12] ShockValue: for tv
[05:56:13] ShockValue: ?
[05:56:23] sphing: in myth
[05:56:41] ShockValue: right.. i write videos and music there, but not tv
[05:57:22] sphing: hmm... I'm getting IOBOUND errors
[05:57:27] sphing: apparently its a common thing
[05:58:51] ShockValue: it seems to me that it would be to slow. network being 100 megabit, and a drive about 3000 megabit (way approx)
[05:59:01] ShockValue: but never actually tried it
[05:59:45] ShockValue: errr 300
[06:00:48] sphing: hmmm time to reevaluate my network setup
[06:01:53] CCFL_Man_: hd420: i've been trying to figure out a solution for directv
[06:01:56] ShockValue: anyway, this thread might help some: http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /103205.html
[06:02:15] CCFL_Man_: hd420: i'm not sure if the R10 runs linux or not
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[06:03:20] hd420: the r10 is tivo, the r15 is the one where murdoch is NTL
[06:03:35] hd420: sorry... r15 is ntl
[06:03:39] hd420: and r10 is tivo
[06:03:43] hd420: if that helps
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[06:04:06] CCFL_Man_: ntl?
[06:04:35] CCFL_Man_: see, directv can fuck themselves
[06:05:11] CCFL_Man_: why is it so fucking bad to give customers direct access to the transport stream for digital backup
[06:05:18] hd420: yea, unfortunately, I'm stuck with them. :(
[06:05:39] CCFL_Man_: cancel and don't pay
[06:05:41] hd420: ND even
[06:05:45] hd420: NDS
[06:05:49] hd420: not NTL, sorry
[06:05:50] CCFL_Man_: tell them to fuck themselves
[06:05:53] CCFL_Man_: oh
[06:05:54] WAR_CH|LD: sphing, you can adress the iobound errors with the following http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Optimizing_Performance
[06:06:11] WAR_CH|LD: worked very well for me. ;)
[06:06:14] hd420: CCFL: I LIKE the channels, etc. I get ,just not the PVR
[06:07:00] CCFL_Man_: i do too, but for someone who only watches the science channel it's not worth it for me to spend $45 a month
[06:07:43] Klink: anyone know what this error is --- kernel: NVRM: Xid (0001:00) : 16 ?
[06:07:49] CCFL_Man_: if the streams can be sent over a network it would be ideal
[06:08:17] hd420: I watch quite a few channels and some only available on directtv (setanta for instance)
[06:08:23] CCFL_Man_: the new pvrs like the R10 don't have any way to connect network cards to them
[06:08:41] CCFL_Man_: the spanish programming?
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[06:11:06] hd420: setanta is a european sports channel
[06:11:17] CCFL_Man_: thats right
[06:11:54] ShockValue: WAR_CH|LD: thanks, thats a good link
[06:12:13] ShockValue: i have a mini-frontend that im struggling with performance on, hopefully i can tweak it a bit
[06:12:32] ** hd420 misses sky sports though **
[06:13:31] CCFL_Man_: hd420: if one could run myth backend on a directivo or directv dvr then thats the solution
[06:15:51] CCFL_Man_: run it on an hd dvr and you are fucking set
[06:16:05] CCFL_Man_: problem is that it records in that tivo format
[06:16:32] hd420: i dun have hdtv
[06:16:45] hd420: CCFL: wtf are you on about?
[06:16:50] CCFL_Man_: neither do i, but i can watch hdtv on my computer
[06:17:11] CCFL_Man_: i'm on about running myth backend on a directivo
[06:17:29] hd420: I don't have a bloody direct-tivo
[06:17:53] CCFL_Man_: you have a directv dvr though
[06:17:53] hd420: I have an NDS unit
[06:18:01] hd420: yes, I do, but it's not a Tivo
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[06:18:20] hd420: if it were a Tivo, it owuld be a lot easier to muck with
[06:19:05] CCFL_Man_: i bet the directv dvrs have no way to connect a NIC
[06:19:21] ShockValue: ummm, why bother with the dvr? just go directv-> mythtv
[06:19:34] ShockValue: whats the point of puting the directvr in th emiddle?
[06:19:51] CCFL_Man_: ShockValue: because we don't want to do it analog
[06:20:04] hd420: ShockValue: decoding?
[06:20:14] ** hd420 doesn't know much about all this **
[06:20:35] ShockValue: yeah, well, have fun with that.. and then switch to comcast, get a motorola 6200 and do it via firewire )
[06:21:09] hd420: ShockValue: Comcast? sod that! I like my setanta
[06:21:40] CCFL_Man_: if a frontend can connect to multiple backends then it could connect to the backend with an hdtv card, dvb-s card, and an analog card for whatever, plus, if mythtv can run on a directivo, you'd use your frontend
[06:22:02] CCFL_Man_: there is only adelphia in my area, so i'm fuxed
[06:22:31] defaultro: hey folks, anyone care to help how I can auto login my mythtv
[06:22:38] hd420: I don't bloody have an hdtv, dvb, or analog, I only have a WinTV PVR 250
[06:22:44] ShockValue: defaultro: using kde?
[06:22:53] defaultro: nope
[06:23:10] defaultro: I followed this but didn't work. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frontend_Auto_Login
[06:23:15] CCFL_Man_: hd420: pvr250 is analog with an mpeg2 encoder
[06:23:38] ShockValue: defaultro: ive used that method in the past.. worked ok for me
[06:23:53] defaultro: ok
[06:24:16] ShockValue: what window environemnt?
[06:24:25] hd420: CCFL: see I didn't know that
[06:24:25] defaultro: fluxbox i guess
[06:24:50] defaultro: I'm currently using root. I don't want it anymore. It's a pain to always be prompted with keyboard
[06:24:59] defaultro: i have KDM prompt
[06:25:01] CCFL_Man_: hd420: you must learn, it'll make things easier
[06:25:05] defaultro: it's fedora core 3
[06:25:16] ShockValue: oh, is KDE installed then?
[06:25:32] ShockValue: not sure what is default in FD3
[06:25:35] hd420: CCFL: indeed, I'm learning from you lot
[06:25:50] defaultro: GDM
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[06:26:26] ShockValue: well if KDM comes up be default, i think youll have to turn that off to get the method on that website to work
[06:26:31] ShockValue: by
[06:26:41] hd420: CCFL: all I want to do is pull shows off the r15 and put them on my PC to edit out the commercials and stream it within my home network
[06:27:04] defaultro: oh
[06:27:09] defaultro: how do I turn of GDM then
[06:27:10] CCFL_Man_: hd420: only easy way is analog, i'm not sure how to do it digitally
[06:27:24] banyan: When I try and yum update to grab version 1.20–137 I have missing packages: PIL and a couple other libs.
[06:27:32] CCFL_Man_: hd420: open up the box and try to find a serial port?
[06:27:55] ShockValue: defaultro: not sure in fc3.. but you might check the file /etc/rc.local
[06:28:09] hd420: you mean the machine or the receiver?
[06:28:19] CCFL_Man_: this new wickerman is better than the old one
[06:28:20] ShockValue: defaultro: i would also read up on GDM, i think it migh thave an autologin feature
[06:28:26] hd420: there is a USB port
[06:28:27] CCFL_Man_: the receiver
[06:28:28] defaultro: yes, I've done it before
[06:28:31] defaultro: but root
[06:28:35] defaultro: however, root is now allowed :P
[06:28:42] defaultro: i'll just use that instead
[06:28:44] CCFL_Man_: then try hacking stuff and getting a usb nic working
[06:28:49] ShockValue: you dont really want to run everyhing as root, do you?
[06:29:37] defaultro: root is ok for me since it's not directly connected to the internet
[06:30:33] hd420: DirectTV swears it's not active though
[06:30:48] CCFL_Man_: thats why you need to hax it
[06:31:05] CCFL_Man_: i'm not sure how though
[06:32:15] Juski: never mind not sure... it's OT in here. read the FAQ
[06:32:52] defaultro: SHockValue, I'm trying GDM's autologin feature
[06:32:58] defaultro: Hopefully it works
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[06:34:44] Netslayer: anyone know how to fix the mythphone SIP crap that makes mythfrontend segfault in ubuntu dapper?
[06:35:09] ShockValue: cool
[06:35:09] Netslayer: i can't seem to uninstall mythphone now.. did make uninstall in plugins but frontend still shows SIP on run
[06:35:16] CCFL_Man_: i'd take it apart and see if you can get a serial prompt
[06:35:50] CCFL_Man_: Netslayer: what service you use for SIP?
[06:36:02] Netslayer: CCFL_Man_, i don't..
[06:36:13] Netslayer: i want it out, my myth won't even start
[06:36:32] Netslayer: just built a new ubuntu dapper box, and mythtv 0.20
[06:36:59] CCFL_Man_: ahh
[06:37:09] Netslayer: unless there's a simple fix to get around the SIP: Cannot register; proxy, username or password not set
[06:37:12] banyan: netslayer: you may need to uninstall mythtv-suite and then uninstall mythphone.
[06:37:30] Netslayer: mythtv-suite?
[06:37:33] banyan: but what do I know, I can't even get my latest yum update to work.
[06:37:50] banyan: It's the master package that has everything else listed as a dependency.
[06:37:54] CCFL_Man_: i use vonage directly with a cisco ip phone
[06:38:08] Netslayer: CCFL_Man_, i have vonage
[06:38:45] Netslayer: where would the libmythphone.so file be so i can delete it?
[06:39:13] ShockValue: im dumping vonage soon and going with asterisk+www.iax.cc
[06:40:03] banyan: On my system it's /usr/lib/mythtv/plugins
[06:40:15] banyan: but mine is fc5.
[06:40:23] ShockValue: id get about ~1000 minutes before i broke even with vonage, and i usually use about half that much per month
[06:41:06] Netslayer: i dont get it libmythphone.so is not even in /usr/local/share/ .. no phone dir and yet it's loading it when mythfrontend start :-/
[06:44:52] banyan: anyone know of an fc5 issue with the packages for mythtv at the moment?
[06:45:51] Gumby: defaultro: gdm autologin feature is in gdm's conf file /etc/gdm/gdm.conf "AutomaticLoginEnable" and "AutomaticLogin" are the areas you want to edit
[06:49:41] CCFL_Man_: Netslayer: their hardware sucks
[06:51:37] defaultro: Gumby, yes, I have modified that file but still isn't allowing mythtv to log in
[06:51:47] defaultro: I did it before but I don't know why it's not working right now
[06:52:12] CCFL_Man_: Netslayer: their pap2 or one of their silly routers, the fuckers overheat and crash
[06:52:16] defaultro: mine is located in /etc/X11/gdm
[06:53:31] Gumby: defaultro: check to make sure you dont have another.
[06:53:38] Gumby: defaultro: I also have that one but its not used
[06:53:51] defaultro: yep, it's only one
[06:53:57] defaultro: i did a locate gdm.conf
[06:55:15] Gumby: defaultro: is this ubuntu?
[06:55:27] defaultro: Sep 20 01:45:46 localhost gdm-autologin(pam_unix)[3897]: session opened for user mythtv by (uid=0)
[06:55:30] defaultro: hmmm
[06:55:36] defaultro: let me see my screen first
[06:55:52] defaultro: maybe, it's working, I wasn't looking though at my screen
[06:55:53] defaultro: brb
[06:56:49] Gumby: lol
[06:57:01] defaultro: it was working
[06:57:06] defaultro: LOL
[06:57:18] defaultro: i need to figure out fluxbox now
[06:57:37] ** Gumby tries to figure out why he is getting visual artifacts and then his livetv just stops like its frozen **
[06:58:08] Gumby: only on one one card, not the other.
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[07:03:17] ShockValue: its fun hearing a song that you used to love, but havent heard in a long time
[07:03:23] Netslayer: CCFL_Man_, trust me i know, we tried to use our directv receiver on it today and the phone wont work to order ppv
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[07:09:32] Netslayer: i don't get it, this one amd64 3200 box with a g4mx440 is using 50% on Xorg when playing back dvb content
[07:10:49] Netslayer: it has the nvidia drivers installed and working fine...ideas?
[07:12:15] banyan: Where can I get the packages to satisfy dependencies for libdfftw.so.2 and libdrfftw.so.2 and PIL, as required by the latest update of mythtv?
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[07:27:15] Anduin: banyan: atrpms?
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[07:38:53] robert83a1: hello,got here latest mythtv for FC 5 , and scanned for lotsa games, and the problem was the last time I scanned it also added the pictres as roms from /data/snes/pictures to the playlist thus making thing bad, I wonder if it is possible to delete the entries in the mythgame list one by one ?
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[08:22:54] robert83a1: hello, using zsnes, and mythtv game , I've noticed that when I select allow roms to span multiple files, and I select scan, it scans them, but the roms wont load, it seems from terminal that mythtv is not passing rom name after command, is this a known problem , or I have a problem?
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[08:34:04] banyan: Anduin: it's possible that my issues stem from a problem with atrpms yes.
[08:35:44] Anduin: banyan: He has fftw, if you are using atrpms it is there, moreover if you are using the current atrpms MythTV rpms they are known to work (at least for many).
[08:35:45] banyan: seeing as no other repo carries mythtv.
[08:38:03] banyan: I have excluded all packages from atrpms except for the mythtv packages, and their dependencies (if not otherwise available).
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[08:38:32] banyan: Maybe I just need to allow fftw.
[08:38:40] banyan: What about PIL? Is that part of fftw?
[08:39:53] Anduin: banyan: Don't know
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[08:56:26] banyan: Oh, that was the issue. Thanks! (Always with the new packages...)
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[09:16:32] defaultro: hey folks, which file is being used by mythfrontend to connect to the backend? Looks like i have a mysql issue
[09:17:06] defaultro: is there any file that we modify manually where we specify mythtv username/password?
[09:17:18] Anduin: defaultro: usually ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt
[09:17:37] defaultro: ah
[09:17:41] defaultro: i don't have that file then
[09:17:46] defaultro: can you please tell me the format
[09:18:18] defaultro: wait, i can copy from root
[09:18:22] Anduin: defaultro: it can be other places, and is created/updated by mythtv-setup
[09:18:52] defaultro: i got it
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[09:22:30] defaultro: anduin, what am i missing? I was recently using root and switch to mythtv. Now am not able to connect
[09:22:33] defaultro: to backend
[09:22:39] defaultro: what else do I have to modify
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[09:23:01] Anduin: defaultro: explicit errors exactly as you see them
[09:23:28] defaultro: it just says No recordings
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[09:23:36] defaultro: unable to connect to IP
[09:24:04] Anduin: defaultro: Ok, so you are past DB and on to possibly bad host name/never ran mythtv-setup issues
[09:24:49] defaultro: but was wondering since I've been using mythfrontend without any issue, however, using root
[09:25:12] defaultro: i'm switching as mythtv user, first time
[09:25:18] defaultro: do I need to run mythtv-setup?
[09:25:54] Anduin: defaultro: You shouldn't, not for just switching users. Check your frontend log and see
[09:26:00] defaultro: looking at the mysql db, user and db tables, mythtv user has enough permissions
[09:26:31] Anduin: defaultro: Yeah, look at the frontend log
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[09:29:55] defaultro: this is what it says, which is weird
[09:29:55] defaultro: You probably should modify the Master Server
[09:29:55] defaultro: settings in the setup program and set the
[09:29:55] defaultro: proper IP address.
[09:30:28] defaultro: but look at this, SIP listening on IP Address 192.168.1.50:5060 NAT address 192.168.1.50
[09:31:04] defaultro: mysql is running too
[09:31:18] defaultro: my ip is still the same
[09:31:45] Ruleke: hello folks
[09:32:02] defaultro: backend is running as well
[09:32:45] defaultro: any ideas?
[09:33:09] Anduin: defaultro: Yeah, that would be the setting in the settings table associated with your hostname, and setup by mythtv-setup, something must have changed.
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[09:33:41] defaultro: ah
[09:33:43] defaultro: checking now
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[09:34:28] defaultro: BackendServerIP 192.168.1.50
[09:36:17] Anduin: defaultro: and that setting is associated with which host? and your host ala hostname is?
[09:37:29] defaultro: yep, i modified it now
[09:37:32] defaultro: I will reboot it
[09:37:38] defaultro: but am so sleepy, it's 4:30am
[09:37:44] defaultro: fluxbox wasted my time
[09:37:48] defaultro: freak :(
[09:37:53] defaultro: i'm sleeping now
[09:37:58] Anduin: twm or bust
[09:38:01] defaultro: I'll catch you tomorrow
[09:38:24] Ruleke: twm ftw ;)
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[10:12:17] Juski: wtf ftw?
[10:12:31] Anduin: for the win
[10:12:37] Juski: meaning?
[10:13:23] Anduin: or maybe f-that window manager
[10:13:55] Anduin: Juski: It is game showy
[10:14:25] Ruleke: yer :)
[10:14:38] Juski: ahhhh. game show speak
[10:16:11] Anduin: Can I see paper clips for the win, etc, etc
[10:16:45] Juski: baffled
[10:17:50] ** Juski hasn't watched a tv gameshow for years **
[10:17:52] Anduin: Your grandparents did not make you watch game shows?
[10:18:24] Ruleke: me neither, it's just something I say semi-ironically
[10:18:49] Juski: "for the win" doesn't even sound like English
[10:19:15] Juski: reminds me of translated user manual speak ;)
[10:19:29] ** Anduin still bets Ruleke has secret posters of Bob Barker hidden somewhere **
[10:21:59] Juski: I don't watch gameshows. I have an IQ!
[10:22:28] Juski: actually no, I'm just a snob
[10:22:40] Anduin: Juski: Then Deal or no deal is just for you
[10:23:01] Juski: what or no what?
[10:23:15] Juski: ;-)
[10:24:25] Anduin: Keeps the aged off the streets
[10:25:32] Juski: I really do hope I die before I get old, or at least I get to keep my faculties
[10:27:03] Ruleke: Anduin: Bob Barker is unknown to me..
[10:28:07] Anduin: Ruleke: Of course, I'm up way too late for my timezone
[10:29:13] Ruleke: :)
[10:29:24] Juski: here in the UK we have 'quiz' channels
[10:29:38] Ruleke: yuck
[10:30:22] Juski: there are people who post on forums about what goes on in the 'shows'. IMHO they're either brain dead, unemployed or both
[10:51:45] Ruleke: hmm I'm getting confused with Xorg... what would cause it to note "hsync out of range" for a certain frequency
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[10:55:40] Anduin: Ruleke: You have explicit modelines?
[10:55:46] Ruleke: no :(
[10:56:11] Ruleke: I can see it probing the panel too
[10:56:28] Ruleke: h_active: 1920 h_sync: 2020 h_sync_end 2052 h_blank_end 2184 h_border: 0
[10:56:33] Ruleke: no idea how to read that
[10:57:31] Anduin: Ruleke: What monitor do you have in your xorg.conf?
[10:57:43] Ruleke: just Generic
[10:57:50] Ruleke: with option DPMS
[10:58:19] Ruleke: I have no idea what to set the HorizSync etc to
[10:58:36] Ruleke: so not set atm, which causes it to use a default iitc
[10:58:38] Ruleke: iirc*
[10:59:09] Ruleke: I thought DDC would pick up that stuff
[10:59:13] Anduin: Ruleke: easy enough to gather the info from a manual or Google
[10:59:52] Ruleke: would I need to ... DDC seems to work ok when reading the log
[10:59:53] Anduin: It can, your xorg log may contain more info
[11:00:14] Ruleke: it pulls in the EDID data and everything
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[11:01:40] Ruleke: hmm the lcd seems to be on 'port 2'...
[11:05:55] Ruleke: strange
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[12:20:01] sumahhhh: hey guys
[12:20:17] sumahhhh: can anyone tell me if my Nebula "DigiTV" usb tv card is supported?
[12:20:50] Ruleke: check the linuxtv.org wiki
[12:21:03] Ruleke: and if needed check the maillists of it too
[12:21:38] sumahhhh: hmmm ok do i want the DVB wiki, the VDR wiki or the V4L wiki?
[12:22:17] Ruleke: dvb I would think
[12:22:36] sumahhhh: ok cheers.. checking it out now
[12:24:08] Ruleke: depends a bit on the version as there are several with different demodulators
[12:24:23] Ruleke: but as you already have it, you can just try it out
[12:25:14] sumahhhh: hmm ok i managed to find a section for nebula (http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Nebula).... but it only lists a pci card... mine is an external usb card..... trying it out sounds like a good idea... but how will i know if it works or not?
[12:25:48] Ruleke: check the outptu it gives :)
[12:25:59] Ruleke: would help if you knew what chip is in there...
[12:26:03] Ruleke: mt352 or not...
[12:26:20] sumahhhh: i have no idea lol
[12:26:46] sumahhhh: and i'm guessing that when i plug it into my linux computer nothing will happen as i dont have any software installed to manage it
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[12:30:22] Ruleke: well that was encouraging
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[13:12:18] tam: Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() in /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/includes/init.php on line 54 <-- i have installed php5-mysql etc and this still appears, any ideas why this may be happening?
[13:14:28] Hoxzer: where does mythtv look for liblirc_client.so.0?
[13:15:28] Ruleke: tam : need php5-mysql package ?
[13:15:50] tam: php5-mysql is installed
[13:16:05] tam: /usr/lib/liblirc_client.so.0
[13:16:17] tam: Hoxzer: ^
[13:16:23] tam: Ruleke: ^^
[13:16:44] Hoxzer: :O oh, seems like I have on in /usr/local/lib
[13:17:42] Hoxzer: yeah, symlink seems to fix it ....
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[13:19:50] mah_meh: can anyone point to any tuning resources ? my mythbackend is using 12–14% while not recording. the only reason i can think of it doing this is because of continually scanning DVB for EIT information. Perhaps I could make it not do this constantly (if it is)
[13:20:57] Taskinen: I am having the same problem
[13:21:38] Ruleke: tam: meh I missed that in your initial question... damn linewraps ;)
[13:22:23] Taskinen: mah_meh: By looking at /var/log/mysql/mysql-bin* binary logs I noticed that mythbackend is constantly doing replaces and deletes to eit_cache table
[13:25:54] GreyFoxx: I believe the background eit scanning happens pretty much all the time, andI don't think it's optional other than to turn off eith for the datasource
[13:27:13] GreyFoxx: Taskinen:If it's doing updates then that means the data it's finding is different than what was already thereand you likely want to let it update it :)
[13:27:14] janneg: GreyFoxx: right
[13:28:18] Ruleke: you can increase the idle-timeout, not sure about the interval
[13:28:52] GreyFoxx: That timeout is when it will switch to another channel and watch for eit there.
[13:29:36] GreyFoxx: and seriously, unless you are absolutely HURTIN for cpu, why not let it run all the time?
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[13:34:57] mah_meh: i was thinking about running vmware server on the same box greyfoxx, so i thought the 14–15% would be better utilised
[13:35:07] mah_meh: the EIT is 7day, so its not like it needs to update continously
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[13:36:28] mah_meh: plus i think the firmware driver for my usb nova-t is a little suspect at times so less scanning == more reliability (hopefully)
[13:36:29] GreyFoxx: actually there is both, now/next and longterm, and the now/next can change at anytime as programming updates occur last minute :)
[13:36:35] GreyFoxx: but to each their own :)
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[13:37:13] mah_meh: it'd be cool if it would know when you're using the frontend and/or mythweb, so it could schedule an update
[13:37:25] mah_meh: otherwise id be okay with a 24hour update
[13:37:36] mah_meh: if only i could code ")
[13:38:29] |Torg|: in theory your EIT data should not change other then to add the next 24 hours. Its your broadcasters that are screwing up
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[13:39:48] mah_meh: in the UK the EIT is at least 7 days
[13:40:11] mah_meh: the problem isnt with the EIT in my opinion, or even how long its open
[13:40:12] |Torg|: yes and you should have 7 days now, tomorow they should add a day and so on
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[13:40:25] Taskinen: oddly the 0.19-fixes backend didn't produce so high loads
[13:40:28] mah_meh: its that it seems to scan 24/7, so its basically 'recording'
[13:40:35] |Torg|: the issue is your databse is being opend, the culpreset are the changes not myth
[13:40:45] mah_meh: the only difference is it isnt writing out the mpeg2, rather listening to the stream for guide updates
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[13:41:11] |Torg|: my backend runs about .3% of a 1.3ghz cpu on consistant EIT scanning, if it finds updates mysql will ramp up to about 12% (from the inserts)
[13:41:20] |Torg|: but its sitting there scanning , all the time, over and over
[13:41:28] mah_meh: what kind of dvb card do you have
[13:41:33] mah_meh: maybe its a 'feature' of the nova-t usb2 driver
[13:41:38] |Torg|: the only activigy its doing is filling up my logs, and allot of it, other then that it is barly noticable
[13:41:49] |Torg|: I have 2 Air2PC b2c2 cards
[13:42:21] mah_meh: can you think of a way i could isolate the cpu time of the driver ?
[13:42:42] |Torg|: sure, but why would you want to?
[13:42:53] Taskinen: I have 2 Terratec Cinergy DVB-C budget cards and the 0.20 backend causes 1.40 loads in my machine (dual-core P4 2.66GHz) whereas the 0.19-fixes produced practically zero
[13:42:55] |Torg|: if its using the CPU its doing work
[13:43:22] |Torg|: to limite the CPU would limit the work
[13:43:30] mah_meh: my box does nothing else right now
[13:43:34] mah_meh: my load average is 3.10 3.14
[13:43:36] |Torg|: if you limit the work your data is inacurate
[13:43:42] mah_meh: its a 2gig sempron
[13:44:07] |Torg|: where did you get the load averag? w, that is about as accorate is laying you hand on the box and saying the vibrations tell me its running at 3
[13:44:21] mah_meh: heheh, from top togr
[13:44:24] mah_meh: torg*
[13:44:45] |Torg|: the numbers on the top of top are the same, watch the cpu time of the actual processes
[13:44:47] mah_meh: ive had all sorts of random issues with nova-t's
[13:45:09] mah_meh: yes the cpu time for mythbackend fluctuates between 11 and 14%
[13:45:13] mah_meh: usually around 13
[13:45:41] Ruleke: ym dvb backend is a P2–300, it's doing fine
[13:45:51] Ruleke: s/ym/my
[13:46:04] mah_meh: the only reason i wanted to know about driver time is because it feels like its the nova-t firmware driver im using
[13:46:16] mah_meh: and considering i can get another brand usb dvb for cheap, maybe its worth looking into
[13:46:34] |Torg|: well what in top is taking so much time?
[13:46:37] mah_meh: like greyfoxx, suggested, its not killer, its just a nice to have
[13:46:44] mah_meh: mythbackend
[13:47:00] |Torg|: what does your log tell you its doing?
[13:47:29] mah_meh: mythbackend.log ?
[13:47:39] mah_meh: nothing really
[13:47:56] |Torg|: do you have mpstat?
[13:48:33] mah_meh: i dont think so, dont know/havent used that before
[13:48:47] |Torg|: that would give you a more accurate load of the CPU
[13:49:08] |Torg|: before you go ripping out DVB cards, I would at least measure the CPU correctly to see
[13:49:13] mah_meh: no package for it, ill check it out
[13:49:25] |Torg|: the package for debain at least is called sysstat
[13:49:35] |Torg|: its sar on a solaris box
[13:49:48] |Torg|: oh and running the perf tools in and of themsleves cause load
[13:49:51] mah_meh: okay cool
[13:49:57] mah_meh: mpstat -> 20.6% system
[13:49:59] |Torg|: hence where they got the name for top :)
[13:50:14] |Torg|: run mpstat 5 5
[13:50:17] |Torg|: ignore the first line
[13:50:49] mah_meh: ok
[13:51:04] mah_meh: 321 interrupts/sec .. 22–23% system, 8–9% soft
[13:51:23] |Torg|: how much iowait?
[13:51:28] mah_meh: 0
[13:51:30] Dibblah: You do realise that top gives you exactly the same info, right?
[13:51:49] mah_meh: im not arguing dibblah, he's helping me ")
[13:51:55] Dibblah: :)
[13:51:57] |Torg|: yes and I dont trust top as its results have been less accurate before
[13:52:06] |Torg|: what you have just proved is it is not your car
[13:52:09] |Torg|: err card
[13:52:25] |Torg|: otherwise iowait (the serviging of the iobuffer to the card) would have time
[13:52:28] mah_meh: i saw some guys using noapic as a kernel option
[13:52:34] |Torg|: what you have is system time
[13:52:39] mah_meh: ok
[13:52:51] |Torg|: jfs? ext3?
[13:52:52] Ruleke: erm the card could be generating load without io :P
[13:53:12] |Torg|: holdon Ruleke, your getting ahead of us (but your right)
[13:53:19] mah_meh: ext3
[13:53:27] Dibblah: iowait only applies to block devices.
[13:53:41] |Torg|: iowait should be any fbio
[13:53:52] Dibblah: Err... How?
[13:53:55] |Torg|: if not linux perf tools are screwed up
[13:54:24] mah_meh: so whats next ")
[13:54:34] mah_meh: how can you breakdown the system time
[13:54:37] |Torg|: tune your system, maybe your driver
[13:54:43] mah_meh: i think it is the driver
[13:54:55] |Torg|: its not user time, hence no myth nor sql
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[13:55:01] mah_meh: sounds crazy, but different tuner different driver
[13:55:07] mah_meh: im lazy ")
[13:55:22] |Torg|: and im going to go look up the differnces between linux and solaris perf tools :)
[13:55:23] Dibblah: ... Personally, I'd be looking into real tools like oprofile.
[13:55:37] |Torg|: yea I was trying to get easy, not complete
[13:56:18] |Torg|: and ive used sar and mpstat, iostat, and vmstat for so long I can simply look at the output and pretty much tell you waht its doing
[13:56:32] Dibblah: And sar is available on Linux.
[13:56:54] ** Ruleke uses glance :) **
[13:57:00] |Torg|: yes its part of the same set of tools as mpstat
[13:57:04] Ruleke: but that's occupational hazard ;)
[13:57:10] ** Dibblah uses oprofile. **
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[13:57:52] ** Dibblah also enjoys bashing his head with bricks. **
[13:58:16] Ruleke: :p
[13:58:19] mah_meh: doesnt feel like any other tools will tell me more than what seems obvious: the driver is eating cpu time
[13:58:42] |Torg|: your kernel is, not necessarily the driver
[13:59:05] mah_meh: i could stop the backend and redo the mpstat
[13:59:07] Dibblah: oprofile will.
[13:59:28] Dibblah: !trout Dibblah broken record
[13:59:28] ** MythLogBot slaps Dibblah with a broken record trout on behalf of Dibblah... **
[14:00:04] mah_meh: what about the noapic thing, you guys got any commentary on that ?
[14:00:16] mah_meh: %sys is 7% without mythbackend running,
[14:01:13] |Torg|: what is irq time?
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[14:01:41] mah_meh: 0%
[14:01:48] |Torg|: then its not apic
[14:02:37] mah_meh: perl and khub make up my 6% utilisation when myth isnt running
[14:02:51] |Torg|: yes perl is a hog
[14:03:10] Dibblah: Only if you're misusing it ;)
[14:03:12] mah_meh: systemtoolsbackends.pl
[14:03:15] |Torg|: but stiull your cpu isnt at 100% are you noticing any differnce in watching TV or recordings?
[14:03:17] mah_meh: wtf is that
[14:03:37] mah_meh: no torg, it isnt a killer, its just i was thinking about running a VM or two on this box
[14:03:43] Dibblah: It's my rootkit. In perl. Ignore it. ;)
[14:03:50] mah_meh: heh
[14:04:02] |Torg|: Dibblah sush, we dont want the secret to get out :P
[14:04:07] mah_meh: when im using 20% cpu when idle, just seemed excessive
[14:04:29] mah_meh: not starting X will be the next step i guess
[14:04:31] |Torg|: techincly its not idle, and its not excessive unless its impacting performance
[14:04:46] themdg: Anyone here using mythtv for xbox? I have it installed but am having a bit of an NSF problem. When I mount my backend drive, I get "RPC: Program not registered." Anyone been through this?
[14:04:47] |Torg|: or did you want your expensive hardware to act as a space heater instead?
[14:05:04] mah_meh: more about consoldiation torg
[14:05:35] |Torg|: thedmg that would tne NFS problem and it means whatever your exporting from dows not have the RPC (portmapper) running, go start the nfs server
[14:05:50] mah_meh: my gf's mum has no pc, so maybe i'll give it to her and justify buying a core2 based system
[14:06:01] ** Dibblah gives Torg a new keyboard token ;) **
[14:06:23] |Torg|: tahnk Dibblah, but its my fingers I need not a keyboard :)
[14:06:24] mah_meh: thanks guys
[14:06:28] themdg: |Torg|. I think I've got it running on both systems. Let me check again.
[14:07:00] Dibblah: themdg: You also need resolution available on _both_ systems hostnames, from both ends.
[14:07:16] Dibblah: Otherwise lockd gets confused.
[14:07:43] themdg: that could be my problem then. I need entries in /etc/hosts for that, right?
[14:07:55] |Torg|: that or fix your DNS
[14:08:32] themdg: Ok. Let me add the entries and try again.
[14:10:29] themdg: Maybe I also need something in hosts.allow
[14:10:52] mah_meh: [17179609.036000] BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000000
[14:11:11] mah_meh: process dumpkeycodes ..
[14:11:16] mah_meh: eek, not all is well
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[14:12:37] |Torg|: mah_meh where did you see that and what cuused it?
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[14:14:06] jason_: I have my remote power button set to make my computer screen(s) to standby
[14:14:20] jason_: at night i put mythtv to main menu
[14:14:31] jason_: all of a sudden the computer will come out of standby
[14:14:37] jason_: when a new recording happens i assume
[14:14:45] jason_: becuase i unplugged the mouse and ruled that out
[14:14:56] jason_: no other program is opened other than myth
[14:15:06] jason_: anyone have any idea what might fix this problem?
[14:16:01] jason_: When the computer comes out of standby, mythtv is still at the main menu, so i don't know what is causing it to "un-standby" itself
[14:16:12] jason_: just gets annoying when you're trying to sleep
[14:16:16] |Torg|: what state is yur box in when you tell it to standby (yes there are more then one)? do you ahve power mangment optiosn in your bios (specifly do you have RTC and WOL)?
[14:16:41] |Torg|: Dibblah: do you have those fingers yet?
[14:17:22] Dibblah: It's a keyboard token. You take it to your nearest participating retailer and they give you part of a keyboard.
[14:17:50] jason_: I am talking about monitor standby
[14:17:55] jason_: not standby in general
[14:18:01] jason_: monitor standby dpms
[14:18:05] |Torg|: Im thinking maybe I should jsut go get another cup of coffee and quit tying for the morning
[14:18:19] Dibblah: Yeah. Tying is tiring.
[14:19:55] themdg: Ok, thanks |Torg|. I got it going. nfs-kernel-server was not running on the backend.
[14:21:01] jason_: |Torg|, got any ideas?
[14:21:10] |Torg|: jason_: does your monitor wake up on its own at or about midnight?
[14:21:33] jason_: |Torg|, that could be! It's about that time
[14:21:41] jason_: I thought maybe it was conan recording that was causing it
[14:21:54] |Torg|: go check your power managment and see if you have it set for rtc alarm
[14:22:07] |Torg|: that or blame the cat :)
[14:22:57] Juski: almost beer o'clock
[14:23:10] Merlin83b: On a Wednesday, Juski?
[14:23:34] |Torg|: Juski isnt in the US
[14:23:47] Merlin83b: I know, he's about 15 miles from me...
[14:23:55] jason_: Torg, it is disabled
[14:23:59] jason_: not that :(
[14:24:01] mah_meh: mm beer
[14:24:10] |Torg|: so is the Sun up where you are?
[14:24:22] Merlin83b: Yes, it's the middle of the afternoon.
[14:24:32] Juski: Merlin83b: ok then quitting time :) I could get to like rolling in at 7am for the early dart :D
[14:24:33] |Torg|: so then why question his timing on beer :)
[14:24:43] mah_meh: i stopped mythbackend, restarted it, and now mythweb complains it isnt running
[14:24:49] Merlin83b: You've shifted your day to early since the move?
[14:25:01] |Torg|: beer has yeast, it has grain, see its like eatting a muffin
[14:25:08] |Torg|: you should have it for breakfast!
[14:25:22] slaine_: hmmm, beer
[14:25:29] mah_meh: i flew out to italy a few weeks back
[14:25:37] mah_meh: i must of seen about 25 people having pints at 5am
[14:25:40] jams: Juski- how much traffic did your website get after the post on digg?
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[14:39:05] seth|laptop: could commflag jobs be made to run only on a slave backend,or do they have to be run on the master backend?
[14:39:59] |Torg|: yes they can be run on any box that has the job scheduler running
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[14:42:27] seth|laptop: so, if I have my master backend, on a front/back combo box in the family room, and a slave backend in the study, the slave can do all the commflag jobs, and then leave the front/back combo, just for viewing, recording, and playback?
[14:42:50] |Torg|: yes
[14:42:50] seth|laptop: is this the setting in mythv-setup, on the transcode page?
[14:43:10] armand: good morning scrollies
[14:43:20] |Torg|: im not sure the page, but yes its the flag that says this box can do commerical flagging jobs
[14:43:43] seth|laptop: well that would be great. Went to play world of warcraft on the frontend last night, and commflag was running for the 9pm recordings, and the game locked, as commflag was chewing up 67% of the cpu
[14:43:46] |Torg|: you hve to run the job scheduler tho on any box that was not eh originator
[14:44:15] armand: seth|laptop: yeah Torg is correct, there's a setting "allow commercial flagging jobs to run on this host".. on the boxes you dont want it ran on, simple, uncheck it
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[14:44:19] seth|laptop: but the slave box was just sitting there recording sci fi
[14:44:31] armand: i do that so that my slave backends dont commflag, only the masterbackend (with storage attached locally)
[14:44:33] seth|laptop: that is wonderful news
[14:45:07] Klink: anyone out there have a 1080p display?
[14:45:21] seth|laptop: so the storage being on the front/back combo will still allow the slave to do the work?, or do I have to change my backends around
[14:45:43] armand: as long as they can see the storage they'll commflag, over the network, locally, whatever
[14:45:46] armand: i keep it local for speed
[14:45:51] |Torg|: nope there is a wiki entry on doing exatly what you are trying
[14:45:51] seth|laptop: yes it is nfs shared
[14:45:58] armand: and because my encoders are in he slavebackends so i want the network as free as possible
[14:46:21] seth|laptop: wiki entry, at mythtv?
[14:46:28] |Torg|: yes
[14:46:32] armand: mythtv wiki is great reading
[14:47:04] seth|laptop: I am a knoppmyth user, I ususally scan the settopbox.tv forums, I will chaek out the mythv wiki
[14:47:14] Juski: jams: no idea how much traffic it created. no big fan of digg either
[14:47:22] Juski: time to go home now.. back in a bit
[14:47:37] |Torg|: Juski go have a pint :)
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[14:55:02] armand: a pint sounds good
[14:55:10] armand: though its a bit early here for it haha <-- east coast
[14:55:23] |Torg|: its never too early, nor too late
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[14:56:05] armand: heheh
[14:56:17] armand: work would disagree with you! :)
[14:57:59] armand: ive got about 8hrs till i can enjoy a nice cold guiniess
[14:58:03] armand: guiness
[14:58:27] |Torg|: that would depnds greatly on whre you worked, and who you boss was. And guiniess shouldnt be cold
[14:58:52] armand: the bottles say to serve extra cold
[14:58:55] armand: it tastes good cold
[14:59:01] armand: you drink it warm?
[14:59:05] |Torg|: hey its your bear, you drink it how you want
[14:59:17] |Torg|: I dont drink guiniess
[14:59:27] armand: i drink it like the bottle says :( just following the instructions
[14:59:32] armand: oh
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[15:06:27] kieran491: hi
[15:07:07] kieran491: dose it matter if your only using the mythbackend on a computer what user you run mythtv-setup
[15:07:38] armand: no, you just need mysql.txt set correctly
[15:08:12] kieran491: ahh k
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[15:44:27] Juski: Merlin83b: early starts mean early darts, plus I miss the worst of the traffic. It actually takes me about the same amount of time to get to work as it used to before the move, which is nice
[15:45:23] Merlin83b: Excellent.
[15:45:31] Merlin83b: What qualifies as starting and darting time?
[15:46:11] Hoxzer: :/ hmm... I cannot get lirc to start on boot :(
[15:47:01] Juski: Merlin83b: 7am start, half hour lunch, 3.30pm finish
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[15:47:50] Merlin83b: 40 hour week? Fair enough. Leaves lots of time later in the day but I'm guessing that's brought bed time forward too?
[15:48:09] Juski: Merlin83b: that's building up half an hour's flexi a day too :)
[15:48:43] Merlin83b: Heh, cool. So knock off at lunchtime on Fridays?
[15:50:45] Juski: in theory
[15:51:34] Juski: rreeeeet. video is finished.. uploading it now so folks can take a peek. doesn't cover everything I'd like but time is tight & CPU power is low
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[15:53:27] antiPosix: ok my search for a TV-out adapter has come into a day two. I am riddled with these to lowend tv-out cards. both nvidia. The cheapest MX4000 and the little more(by about $5) FX5200. Some please tell me which of these two to buy
[15:54:49] mah_meh: depends on your budget
[15:55:05] mah_meh: newer cards real better with hdtv as far as i can tell
[15:55:11] mah_meh: deal*
[15:55:28] defaultro: anyone here uses fluxbox?
[15:55:56] themdg: I think fluxbox is on what xebian runs, on my xbox. I could be off though.
[15:56:22] antiPosix: I want someone to say "I have a MX4000 on my MythTV for video out and I think it works great!"
[15:56:45] Juski: I've got a few fx5200 cards & they all work great & look great
[15:56:58] |Torg|: I have a FX5900 and it works great!
[15:57:00] |Torg|: happy now?
[15:57:05] antiPosix: thank!
[15:57:17] Juski: the only criticism I have of my nvidia cards is the inability to absolutely centre the tv-out
[15:57:33] antiPosix: really...
[15:57:52] antiPosix: Juski: any chipset not have this problem?
[15:57:55] |Torg|: my major complaint is its overscan, but I think its more my TV then the card
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[15:58:21] Juski: antiPosix: it's not a big deal since you can adjust overscan to compensate & centre it in mythtv's appearance menu
[15:58:48] |Torg|: Juski tell me how to do that to the console driver :)
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[15:58:59] Juski: |Torg|: you can't
[15:59:05] |Torg|: I know you cant
[15:59:29] |Torg|: and THAT is my only complaint about it, makes reading console text a chore
[15:59:31] Juski: I know nvidia could easily make an app to let users tweak every single register of the tv encoder though
[16:00:03] Juski: like hello! TVs are designed for BIG text 24pt high, not web browsing :-P
[16:00:07] antiPosix: no one readily says "I know I was being facetious" on IRC. I think its because everyone doubts their ability to spell facetious
[16:00:29] antiPosix: I had to look it up :)
[16:00:40] Juski: faeces-ish?
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[16:00:46] |Torg|: but im not facetious, im sarcastic :P
[16:01:07] antiPosix: I'm fictitious
[16:01:43] antiPosix: now my boredom is just having me randomly type nonsensical things
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[16:03:27] Juski: grrr my upload pipe is too slow
[16:04:23] |Torg|: use papers and roll it instead of using a pipe :)
[16:04:31] antiPosix: I found a FX5200 that has DVI and Component out. What exactly is component.
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[16:04:48] Juski: component is like RGB on steroids
[16:04:49] antiPosix: is that the yellow cable that plugs into one of the Yellow/Red/White ports on my TV
[16:04:58] Juski: no that's _composite_
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[16:05:13] antiPosix: my TV has Blue/Red/Green ports as well
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[16:05:20] Juski: the bastards, eh.. making the 1st 4 letters the same...
[16:05:48] antiPosix: I was wrong... the FX5200 is composite
[16:05:51] |Torg|: compsite is 1 yell RCA, component breaks out the 3 video sets and is RGB
[16:06:06] Juski: antiPosix: component is similar to RGB but only in the sense that 3 signals carry video.
[16:06:47] |Torg|: basicly think of it as 3x bandwidth, hence allot of HDTV stuff uses it (like DVD players)
[16:06:48] Juski: instead of red green & blue, component sends Y (luminance) and colour difference signals
[16:07:32] antiPosix: thanks!
[16:07:44] antiPosix: and composite they all go through one wire?
[16:07:54] |Torg|: compnent ist exatly RGB but you can think of it like it is
[16:09:00] |Torg|: here, read this http://www.projectorcentral.com/component.htm
[16:09:11] antiPosix: My tivo has S-Video output and Composite output. I have tinkered with both in the past and can see no noticable difference. As my mythtv box is going to replace my old tivo, would using the inferior composite be ok?
[16:09:30] Juski: antiPosix: yes composite sends luminance & a the colour signals down one wire... they actually superimpose the colour signals on top on the brightness info, so TVs & whatever have to filter it out at the other end, which reduces the effective resolution of the signals
[16:09:52] Juski: antiPosix: if you can't tell the difference between svideo & composite it's time to buy a new TV ;)
[16:10:01] Juski: or get your eyes tested
[16:10:25] Merlin83b: Heh.
[16:10:29] antiPosix: really? there is that much of a difference?
[16:10:30] |Torg|: hey I cant tell the differnce between then, then of course I dont use them :P
[16:10:49] Juski: I can spot the difference.. but then you can with most PAL gear
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[16:11:44] Juski: apparently NTSC folks can't tell the difference between 480x480 & 720x480, whereas with UK TV, 480x480 looks more like VHS than 720x576, DVD resolution ;)
[16:12:21] |Torg|: thats becase PAL has higher resolutiuon then NTSC
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[16:12:41] |Torg|: put it on a 61" HDTV and you can tell the difference in about 1/2 a second
[16:12:46] Juski: also a contributory factor to me not buying into HD.. it's just not that much better looking than good PAL.. not enough to justify spending all that money anyway
[16:13:03] |Torg|: I jsut use HDMI to DVI and dont mess with SD tv, so I dotn do it often enough to really care
[16:13:27] Juski: 61" TV? jees how big is your livingroom?
[16:13:43] |Torg|: 20'x22'
[16:13:49] Juski: figures
[16:14:18] |Torg|: Im an American, dont yo know we all have houses big enough for 4 families to live in :P
[16:14:33] Juski: palatial size compared to average UK house sizes ;)
[16:14:53] Juski: folks come to my house & comment about how big it is... then I say "big? wtf are you talking about?"
[16:14:56] |Torg|: my whole flat in London was smaller then just my living room
[16:15:01] antiPosix: you could be cambodian or vietnamese and have a house big enough for one family and have 4 living there
[16:16:47] Juski: something that made me laugh a while ago... my cousin just bought a new house.. was very happy with it til she tried getting the new furniture in. Oh dear.. seems the show home has custom-made furniture to make it look big. Whoops
[16:17:26] |Torg|: hey I took out my balcony and replaced it with a window. and forgot that was how I got the bed in :)
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[16:19:58] Merlin83b: And how big is yours, Juski?
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[16:25:49] Juski: Merlin83b: 4metres by 10 metres
[16:26:24] Juski: carpets cost a bloody fortune!
[16:26:55] Merlin83b: lol, I meant the screen.
[16:27:42] bjn: i thought you meant something else :)
[16:28:24] Juski: oh 32 inch SDTV
[16:28:39] Merlin83b: Tut tut, bjn.
[16:28:56] Juski: but even on my ancient panasonic 20" I can tell svideo, RGB & composite apart
[16:30:25] Juski: oo 110MB of video uploaded now
[16:31:21] |Torg|: anyone ever install X and have it not create the shared object links?
[16:31:35] |Torg|: im thinking I ether skipped something or the stupid installer dint use ld
[16:31:43] Juski: nope, but sounds like a bit of a mare
[16:31:50] |Torg|: its a pain in the ass backtracking and linking the libs
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[16:37:14] kieran491: off the topic questiuon is there a program in linux to detect when another program is finished?
[16:40:30] |Torg|: ps?
[16:40:40] seth|laptop: I have a question. Transcoding, the actual act of making a file smaller, does that work on OTA HD broadcasts
[16:41:16] |Torg|: if you use a loss codec, make the signal with less info (like one audio instead of two), lose resolution, yes
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[16:42:39] |Torg|: well ok if you omit data, like those wonderfrull copmercails that make up to a third of the stream
[16:42:55] seth|laptop: well I have been recording "House" "Bones" and "Standoff" in fox HD, they weigh in at about 4GB per show. What I would like to do is export them to DVD, as many as possible, to catalogue the entire series, after de-commercializing them, is this possible
[16:43:54] |Torg|: posibly, some thigns like nero will automticly strip it to proper size
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[16:44:09] |Torg|: btw why are they only 4G, mine come out at 8–10
[16:44:22] Merlin83b: mythburndvd or whatever it's called. mythexport, perhaps.
[16:44:52] |Torg|: -rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 7496261616 Sep 19 22:00 2051_20060919210000.mpg
[16:45:01] Juski: mytharchive, innit? ;-)
[16:45:10] |Torg|: thats a typical recoded, non transoded ATSC bcast at 1080i
[16:45:13] Merlin83b: That's the fella
[16:47:10] seth|laptop: well last nights house was 3.9GB with commercial flagging, now I do have the "auto-transcode" flag set on the weekly recordings, is it possibly already compressing them. As I look back, my 11month old loves this PBS-HD show called boohbah, and they are 1/2hr long and take up 1.6 to 2GB, I beleive that 4GB an hour, may be how they are received
[16:47:38] Juski: oh no! not boohbah!
[16:47:52] seth|laptop: hey, she loves it
[16:48:09] seth|laptop: it kinda creeps me out, but as long as she is happy
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[16:48:12] seth|laptop: :-)
[16:48:28] Juski: our ITV channel has it on weekday afternoons here... for schoolkids I believe
[16:48:30] |Torg|: im still trying to get commflagging to work reliably
[16:49:30] seth|laptop: mine works well, except for the "sponsored by" leadouts, that confuses it, but otherwise it works quite well, I very seldom ever have to pick up my remote
[16:49:54] Juski: lol. what a chore, having to pick up the remote
[16:50:03] |Torg|: mine get confused not so much on what is a commercial but what isnt
[16:50:15] Juski: what little exercise some folks get is being taken away from them... ;-)
[16:50:39] seth|laptop: HD has boohbah at 6AM 630AM and 730AM on HD 33–1 and 33–3. I have a daily schedule set up for them. So she can see it 5 days a week, heh, glad I work all day, poor wifey
[16:50:43] |Torg|: I dont evn use a remote, I have a wireless keyboard :)
[16:51:27] seth|laptop: I ahve a logitech G15 keybard hooked up, on a usb extension, which I usually use, because it uses the LCD display on it. But my wife like the remote
[16:51:57] |Torg|: my wife likes the gyro mouse
[16:52:16] seth|laptop: I ahve an ATI remote wonder
[16:52:19] seth|laptop: have
[16:52:29] seth|laptop: finger working out of sync, sheesh, appologies
[16:52:31] Juski: speaking of kids' shows, I had to have a damn loud laugh at parents complaining how their lovely plasmas have been tainted by burnin from kids' channels. that'll teach em to leave their kids in the room with nothing but TV for a babysitter
[16:52:48] Merlin83b: Heh.
[16:53:12] Juski: ask me about it again when I have kids of my own though eh
[16:53:33] Juski: hang on did I just say WHEN? ohhhh shit
[16:55:15] seth|laptop: perhaps I was off a bit by the file size, here is standoff from last night, 1hr show – 4932774080 Sep 19 21:00 2431_20060919200000.mpg
[16:55:23] seth|laptop: just under 5GB
[16:56:22] Juski: some recordings of mine from BBC1 are 2GB an hour, and they're only 720x576
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[16:56:33] ru: hi guys
[16:56:38] seth|laptop: and here is cops 1/2 hour show – 3203391220 Sep 20 03:00 2431_20060920023000.mpg just over 3G, math doesn't work out so good
[16:56:39] ru: i just upgraded to mythtv v0.20
[16:56:50] Juski: heya Kelerion :)
[16:56:53] ru: when i try to run the frontend though i get a segmentation fault error though?
[16:56:54] Kelerion: hey hey :)
[16:57:01] ru: 2006-09–20 18:54:41.380 Upgrading to MythVideo schema version 1009
[16:57:11] ru: Segmentation fault
[16:57:13] ru: then its dead
[16:57:18] seth|laptop: yuk
[16:57:19] Juski: ru: whoops
[16:57:30] ru: Juski: lol ye
[16:57:43] Kelerion: installing a slave backend for my cctv.. now my main setup looks how I want it I want to get PIP working with the cctv cams :)
[16:57:46] ru: short of downgrading to 0.19 whats the plan of action here?
[16:57:55] ru: also when i run the backend it starts but gives odd errors:
[16:58:42] Juski: ru: if you didn't backup the db before upgrading you'd have to wipe it all out to downgrade anyway
[16:59:12] ru: hmm ok i lie the backend now works flawlessly by the looks of things
[16:59:22] ru: Juski: ok so i hope i dont have to downgrade then
[16:59:34] ru: Juski: does this mean though that i need to wipe my db clean for 0.2?
[16:59:53] Juski: ru: no, it just means you prolly can't downgrade without clearing out the database
[17:00:01] ru: Juski: kk
[17:00:09] ru: as for plan of action from here, any ideas?
[17:00:10] seth|laptop: teh upgrade note say you shouldn't have to, but I have not upgraded yet
[17:00:24] |Torg|: how about restoring that backup of the database you did before upgrading
[17:00:36] ru: sure, if i had a backup
[17:00:37] ru: lol
[17:00:41] seth|laptop: doh!
[17:00:51] Juski: !trout non-backedupusers backup_the_db
[17:00:51] ** MythLogBot slaps non-backedupusers with a backup_the_db trout on behalf of Juski... **
[17:02:16] ru: i think im gonna try remove each plugin
[17:02:30] |Torg|: Ill giv you a hint in DR, the time to test your DR is not when you have a disaster
[17:02:57] ru: ya cos my media box is super critical
[17:03:17] seth|laptop: man if I were to lose my wifes shows .............
[17:03:25] ru: lol
[17:03:54] ru: it seems to be the mythphone plugin
[17:04:00] ru: i removed it and i think its working now
[17:04:06] ** seth|laptop looks back to see where his a$$ used to be, heh **
[17:04:08] ru: obviously mythphone is unstable with 0.20
[17:04:17] |Torg|: no becase making a backup of mysql takes all of 5 mins (and thats compressing it too), and has files that are maybe 1.5M
[17:04:45] |Torg|: becase the backups can help you and there is no reason not to do so
[17:04:50] Kelerion: and you can automate it too
[17:04:53] |Torg|: because it simply makes sence
[17:04:54] ru: ya but theres added, unforseen overhead in that
[17:04:56] ru: who cares
[17:05:04] ru: when it comes to my media box im a frikkn cowboy
[17:05:07] ru: and proud of it
[17:05:13] Kelerion: mine does.. and emails me the backups every night
[17:05:14] |Torg|: the overhead in dumping the database ammounts to less then you changing the channel
[17:06:13] |Torg|: mine replicates to the frontend, dumps every hour, archves every hour for the last 24, every day fro the last 14, every week for the last 8 and every month for the last year
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[17:06:34] |Torg|: all that, by one little script that puts so much load on the box I sometimes if it ever runs
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[17:10:27] |Torg|: here http://pastebin.ca/177742
[17:11:08] |Torg|: put that in a directory, edit the durations, and crontab the thing to /dev/null
[17:11:21] SirPageno: Hi folks, I'm trying to use mytharchive, and I'm getting the following error msg
[17:11:23] SirPageno: *ERROR: [mplex] Can't find next AC3 frame: @ 721152 we have 7716 – broken bit-stream?
[17:11:28] |Torg|: or you can get real fancy and mail you the output, rdist the backups or whatever else you want
[17:11:52] SirPageno: gossamer has a thread that seems to match my problem exactly, but no resolution
[17:12:13] Juski: Kelerion: little video for you to download: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/videos/LWmythpromo.mpg .... in 60 seconds
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[17:13:53] Juski: time for eats :)
[17:13:55] SirPageno: curious if anyone here has seen this failure?
[17:13:57] Kelerion: kk :)
[17:14:08] seth|laptop: I have nto
[17:14:11] Kelerion: not me
[17:14:13] seth|laptop: er not
[17:14:21] |Torg|: nor I
[17:14:50] SirPageno: thanks
[17:14:54] seth|laptop: sorry
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[17:16:24] Kelerion: bloody hell a lot must have changed in the last two weeks.. svn upping my backend and the compile is taking ages! (and yes I know about .20..lol)
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[17:16:55] |Torg|: distcc it, I use two daul core x86 systems and it takes maybe 10 mins
[17:17:19] |Torg|: I want to get it to work on Forte but I read where Forte cant do c++
[17:17:27] |Torg|: still tho 10 mins isnt too bad
[17:17:45] Kelerion: I have enough pc's here to try distcc.. just never bothered before :)
[17:18:21] |Torg|: its fun, I want to get a cluster of about 50 just to play
[17:18:38] |Torg|: if I can get gcc installed on the lab boxes I can use sparcs to help
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[17:19:10] Kelerion: I have 25 old 1gb pc's I got from a company that was upgrading.. didn't cost me a penny.. they are all sitting in a spare room waiting for me to have time to play with clustering
[17:19:24] seth|laptop: I use sparcs @ home, ultra 2, ultra 10, and a sparcstation20
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[17:19:38] |Torg|: I usualy get rid of my older stuff, ac bill gets too high
[17:20:01] |Torg|: that and the white noise makes you damn near deaf, but thats a sun box for you
[17:20:06] Kelerion: I work from home so I can justify a lot of expenses like that :)
[17:20:27] |Torg|: its not the exepnce its the AC
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[17:20:42] seth|laptop: you should hear my sparcstorage array model 110, 30 scsi drives – 3 trays, gotta keep the door shut
[17:20:42] Kelerion: oh.. thought you were on about the power bill :)
[17:20:48] |Torg|: I can keep the house 74 and the comptuer room 84 or the house 62 and the comptuer room 74 :(
[17:21:11] |Torg|: in the winter I dont even use my heater
[17:21:23] Kelerion: I have a t2000 sitting in my loft.. I can't even have the ring running 24/7 because of the racket it makes.. lol
[17:21:30] Kelerion: thing
[17:21:40] kenzu: Hi... how big cpu for analog tv capture with out hardware encoder?
[17:21:42] |Torg|: beiides Ive already gotten that "if you put another comptuer in this house" speach at least 50 times
[17:21:50] ** Kelerion chuckles **
[17:22:01] seth|laptop: w/o decoder, 700MHz celeron
[17:22:06] |Torg|: computers in teh living room is "unsightly"
[17:22:20] |Torg|: the clothers, shoes, magzine, purse you left, shopping bags....these are ok
[17:22:32] |Torg|: small box with fan, thats unsightly
[17:23:55] seth|laptop: built my frontend in one of these, can't even notice it, matches my a/v receiver – http://nmediapc.com/htpc200.htm
[17:24:07] ** Kelerion thanks NTL yet again... Juski has a habit of saying "look at this video Kel!" and it's a 204mb download **
[17:24:22] kenzu: seth|laptop: hmm so my 600 celeron won't work with one bt848 and one pvr500
[17:24:30] seth|laptop: yeah, here at work, stinking winders can't even play it
[17:24:52] GreyFoxx: seth|laptop: That a programmable lcd so you can control what it displays ?
[17:24:56] |Torg|: how much did that case cost, I put mine in a $70 shuttle
[17:25:21] seth|laptop: kenzu, I am only saying that because its what I have my brooktree card on, a celeron 733, actually, and it works ok, I wouldn't see why you couldnt use a 600MHz piece
[17:25:49] GreyFoxx: a 600 will be fairly close to the wire
[17:25:56] kenzu: but what about the resolution?
[17:26:06] ** Kelerion hasn't use a celery chip for ages **
[17:26:16] seth|laptop: Grey, no, I had to buy one from crystalfonts, it comes with generic tempo sensor, Torg, it was $125 with a silent 350Watt PSU, at newegg.com
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[17:26:26] GreyFoxx: ahhh
[17:26:28] kenzu: it a matter off power usage
[17:27:11] kenzu: my 600 celeron 12,6 watt / 900 celeron 26,7 watt
[17:27:13] GreyFoxx: seth|laptop: Looks like. My biggest beef with htpc cases is the overall lack of volume knob/pause/play/nagivation buttons in the front
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[17:28:37] kenzu: ok... Ill try with the small one and then put a bigger one in if i lacks juice
[17:29:30] seth|laptop: well, I have mine in 5.1 DTS so I cannot control the volume with my myth remote, and the keyboard I use, Logitech G15, withits lcd display drivers, also enables the buttons around it, I have them remapped to do arrows, and space bar, works out ok. The chief Myth guy in my LUG, has one of those fancy 7" color LCD touch screen cases, but I couldnt see spending the $500 + for that beauty, but it is pretty sweet
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[17:31:00] kormoc: kenzu, your 600 won't work with the bt878 card at all imho
[17:31:11] |Torg|: yea I want one of those 7" screen to put on my backend, it has no video output but I want to make sure the thing is up and its status
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[17:31:37] |Torg|: that or see about a crystalfont led that can do the same, its part of my shortterm plan but I havnt decided what I really want
[17:31:40] kenzu: kormoc: have you tryed?
[17:31:56] kormoc: kenzu, my 2.4 ghz p4 was taking around 30% of the cpu to encode off of my bt878 in low quality
[17:32:31] GreyFoxx: seth|laptop: Right now I only output to my receiver and such but I would find it VERY handy to be able to just hit a button in the front to pause/play/navigate and such when I'm next to it.
[17:32:45] kormoc: and that's with the system doing only recording, playback took another 30%
[17:32:48] GreyFoxx: I'm suprised it's not more commonly installed on htpc's
[17:32:50] kenzu: kormoc: hmm ok... Ill give it a try... else my 900 celeron or 1G P3 will do
[17:33:07] kenzu: kormoc: I hope :-)
[17:33:15] seth|laptop: this thing is what he got, very sweet – b>http://tinyurl.com/r6toy
[17:33:28] kormoc: g'luck
[17:34:04] GreyFoxx: seth|laptop: That brings up blank page for me
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[17:34:43] seth|laptop: maybe this one – http://tinyurl.com/pnlsm
[17:35:20] |Torg|: you have one of those?
[17:35:30] seth|laptop: no, the head myth guy from my LUG
[17:35:49] |Torg|: I cant see paying $500 for a stupid case tho
[17:35:51] seth|laptop: I wish, 600 bucks, I would be watching it in the car, hehe, wife woiuld remove me from service :-)
[17:37:00] GreyFoxx: I've never been afan of those little screens on pc's
[17:37:16] seth|laptop: I'm happy with the one I have, it is the exact same size as my audio reciever, and it didn't cost a small fortune
[17:37:26] GreyFoxx: But I could see it being handy on a server which doesn't normally have a monitor
[17:37:42] seth|laptop: yeah, touch screen kvm
[17:37:47] seth|laptop: that would be nice
[17:37:54] |Torg|: im sure that would be cheap too
[17:37:56] seth|laptop: instead of pushing a crash cart around
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[17:38:30] |Torg|: crash cart? I have a dec vt101 connected to the serial port
[17:38:44] |Torg|: I wish theyd make a damn bios that dosnt need a damn video card
[17:38:56] GreyFoxx: We've got two crash carts, way too many machines, racks and rows for a single cart or set of kvms
[17:39:04] |Torg|: or is it PC Mb makers dont think there servers shoudl run without video outputs
[17:39:10] seth|laptop: they do its called RSC or ALOM, hehe, but that is for sun boxen only, LOL
[17:39:21] GreyFoxx: |Torg|: Actually there are cards you can get to do that
[17:39:22] seth|laptop: I dojnt think they could swing it with windows
[17:39:30] seth|laptop: really
[17:39:39] GreyFoxx: You can connect them to ethernet, phone or serial lines
[17:39:47] |Torg|: seth im fully aware of suns servers, its why I want my x86 to do the same
[17:39:47] GreyFoxx: and all text will go through it
[17:39:53] ** seth|laptop didn't know, been a unix sysadmion for a while, always hear the windows guys bitching about the crash cart **
[17:40:05] GreyFoxx: several of our colo customers use them
[17:40:13] |Torg|: what I want is a RSC card for linux
[17:40:20] seth|laptop: so its like rsc for x86, very cool
[17:40:55] |Torg|: GreyFoxx: do you have any links to the cards?
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[17:42:36] GreyFoxx: |Torg|: Nope not off hand, but I can ask a coworker in a few minutes
[17:42:49] |Torg|: thanks
[17:46:40] |Torg|: is there any way I can get the EIT scanner to shut the hell up, its filling my logs with a bunch of entries
[17:46:49] seth|laptop: in regards to the slave running commflag, can more than 1 slave do this at once, or is it for one host only?
[17:47:01] GreyFoxx: |Torg|: turn off the logs, or turn off the EIT scanner :)
[17:47:06] |Torg|: one slave at at time
[17:47:10] seth|laptop: ah ok
[17:47:16] |Torg|: thanks GreyFoxx ill do that real soon :P
[17:47:51] seth|laptop: every day I find out one more cool thing about mythtv
[17:47:54] seth|laptop: :-)
[17:47:59] |Torg|: Im thinking tho they data wont be any more reliable then datadirect, well see tho
[17:48:01] ** tam grins as he gets closer to a completely working setup :) **
[17:48:27] GreyFoxx: |Torg|: Actually it is usually much more reliable than zap2it for stuff
[17:48:33] tam: is it easy to change the directory to where mythtv records to?
[17:48:47] GreyFoxx: tam: IT's a single config item
[17:48:58] tam: ah, perfect
[17:49:06] |Torg|: all you do is tell mythtv-setup to change then start andn stop teh backend
[17:49:21] GreyFoxx: and of course move any existing recordings
[17:49:22] seth|laptop: so EIT is different from zap2it, I only see that option on my HD OTA card. I guess, I would still need to rely on zap2it for my dish network stuff
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[17:49:44] |Torg|: how do you record dish?
[17:50:02] GreyFoxx: seth|laptop: eit data is available right off the dish with a dvb card allowing you to get the same guide data as a dish receiver would get
[17:50:02] seth|laptop: ir blaster, pvr150, zap2itlabs account
[17:50:03] tam: |Torg|: GreyFoxx thanks again :)
[17:50:17] GreyFoxx: seth|laptop: EIT is not useful for you without a dvb card
[17:50:23] GreyFoxx: so zap2it is your best choice
[17:50:23] |Torg|: then no, you get EIT from a seperate PID in the stream
[17:50:40] |Torg|: you would hav to have a DVB card that multiplexes (I dont know if any dont)
[17:50:59] seth|laptop: I have a dvb card for HD air2pc, but you can plug the dish into that as well, I have 1 more that I am currently not using
[17:51:12] GreyFoxx: seth|laptop: Different standards
[17:51:15] seth|laptop: ah
[17:51:16] |Torg|: only EIT here is buggy as hell, some channels have it and some dont, and it complains over and over with VERY verbose logs
[17:51:31] GreyFoxx: your air2pc wont work connected to a dish, I do NOT recommend you try it :)
[17:51:44] ** seth|laptop scraps the idea **
[17:52:07] |Torg|: why not GreyFoxx it wont hurt it, wont work, but it wont hurt it
[17:52:43] seth|laptop: i was wanting to put it into the slave box anyways, I bought an excellent PAL antenna for HD, and it has dual outputs, so I will be able to record 2 different HD cahnnels at once
[17:52:47] GreyFoxx: |Torg|: the lnb's are powered off the dvbs card, and I personally wouldn't chance anything funky happenning
[17:53:01] |Torg|: ouch
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[17:55:00] GreyFoxx: I've been running the same image on my frontends for almost 3 years, time for a new install :)
[17:55:27] Weezey: I upgraded my FC4 0.19 installation to FC5 0.20 last night the only thing that's odd is that it seems to start two mythfrontends at boot, but the /home/mythtv/Autostart/myth-load.sh only has one mythfrontend & in it. Any clues?
[17:55:58] Kelerion: anyone remember, of the tops of their heads, the command to set gnome as the default WM?
[17:56:02] Weezey: also, there's no other autostart scripts in that folder.
[17:56:58] |Torg|: Kelerion how do you start it now? with xinit?
[17:57:08] Kelerion: yup
[17:57:22] |Torg|: there is an exec line in there that starts your WM, change it
[17:57:43] |Torg|: for that matter why do you want a window manger with myth?
[17:58:27] Kelerion: I don't.. and when I'm done it won't even be running X.. this is a slave backend
[17:58:40] GreyFoxx: Probably for handling focus issues if he's executing external apps from mythdvd or mythvideo
[17:59:21] |Torg|: GreyFoxx that makes sense, I dont use one as all I really do is watch and record TV
[18:00:08] Kelerion: dammit.. mythtv-setup is refusing to open.. lol
[18:00:14] GreyFoxx: I run IceWM on all of mine. I use the internal player for DVDs and mythvideo but spawn external stuff for mythgame and afew other things
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[18:00:18] |Torg|: what does it do?
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[18:00:26] GreyFoxx: and IceWM is nice n small so I'm not worried about it
[18:00:45] |Torg|: I prefer blackbox but Ill check it out
[18:00:51] nandy_: so i am having a problem with mythtv menu — basically due to overscan i have to use the offsets to move the image down and to the right slightly — when i do this i see the menu Draw and imediately disapear any ideas what would cause that? (i think X offset of 30 is the threshold where it starts to disapear)
[18:01:40] GreyFoxx: nandy_: When it "disappears" do you mean mythfrontend crashes ?
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[18:01:53] |Torg|: yes your screwing with the overscan. go into the apearance menu and set your offsets tehre
[18:02:10] nandy_: grey no sir
[18:02:38] nandy_: GreyFoxx: so basically i have this Menu background — on top of that is drawn the menu [Tv] [DVD] [Options] [Etc]
[18:02:50] nandy_: i see the "menu" part draw and then disapear
[18:02:51] Kelerion: freezing on: "QFont::setPointSize: Point size <= 0 (0)
[18:02:54] nandy_: i am left with just a background
[18:03:07] nandy_: no crash
[18:03:14] GreyFoxx: nandy_: can't say I've every heard anyone describe that problem before :)_
[18:03:16] Kelerion: I think the whole install is screwed... I did a server install instead of a normal...
[18:03:38] |Torg|: mine crashes on illegal instruction
[18:03:53] |Torg|: only thing I can think of is I compiled it on an itel and its an amd
[18:04:02] nandy_: GreyFoxx: it seemed to happen all the time with ProjectGreyhem (with no offsets) so i went to GANT and that worked until i started fiddling the offsets
[18:05:17] kormoc: |Torg|, and what flags did you use?
[18:05:33] GreyFoxx: nandy_: And now I assume you can't get inturn them off ?:)
[18:06:13] |Torg|: kormoc: I cant rember its why im goig to recompile it, I coudl have sworn I didnt tell it to use cpu specifc code
[18:06:29] nandy_: GreyFoxx: i memorized the location of setup
[18:06:33] nandy_: so i can change it
[18:06:37] GreyFoxx: mythfrontend -O GuiWidth=0,GuiHeight=0,GuiOffsetX=0,GuiOffsetY=0
[18:06:42] nandy_: the problem is that there is where the offset looks right
[18:06:47] GreyFoxx: That should also override them for that particular session
[18:07:03] nandy_: right but the offsets need to be at 35 for it to be not off the screen
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[18:07:24] nandy_: the menu drawing is useless if an inch of my picutre is off screen
[18:08:12] GreyFoxx: you can use that line I just posted to test the offsets and such as well to find what works for you without havccing to do it in the myth menus
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[18:09:04] GreyFoxx: I leave my overscan to 100% and don't worry about the menu that's off the screen. It never effects any of the visible buttons except for the "next/cancel" stuff which I don't need anyway :)
[18:09:12] nandy_: GreyFoxx: that will be helpful — what happens if when i find the right offsets the menu still doesnt draw?
[18:09:36] GreyFoxx: What happens is you submit a bug report :)
[18:09:59] GreyFoxx: honestly I've never heard of anyone reporting what you are describing before so I don't have a solution for it
[18:10:51] nandy_: seems almost like the math in the gl redraw stuff is wonky
[18:10:56] nandy_: probably drawing it off screen somewhere
[18:10:57] GreyFoxx: Could very well be
[18:11:26] GreyFoxx: when you submit a bug report make sure to include your X resolution and such as well as the values that cause the problem along with the X driver/version
[18:11:44] nandy_: 1280x720 whee
[18:11:58] GreyFoxx: HDTV ?
[18:12:01] nandy_: aye
[18:12:05] nandy_: samsung 46"
[18:12:07] GreyFoxx: k
[18:12:14] kormoc: have you attempted to switch the painter to/from opengl?
[18:12:18] nandy_: is it possible to turn the overscan off?
[18:12:49] nandy_: kormoc: i have it on open gl and i think i tested it on QT (though i cant say for certain i tried so many things)
[18:12:50] GreyFoxx: nandy_: you can get your video card to minmize it, but it's suppose to be there. It's part of the design of broadcast television :)
[18:13:24] kormoc: nandy_, well, try qt, if it's a opengl issue, it shouldn't show up in the qt painter
[18:13:38] GreyFoxx: nandy_: mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt
[18:15:07] nandy_: cool
[18:15:12] nandy_: i may run home at lunch and try that
[18:15:24] nandy_: is there a myth traffic module btw?
[18:15:32] GreyFoxx: traffic ?
[18:15:36] Juski: not yet
[18:15:38] nandy_: like weather
[18:15:39] GreyFoxx: as in gps maps and such ?
[18:15:51] GreyFoxx: ahhh, no
[18:15:54] nandy_: like the doppler maps except with traffic
[18:15:57] kormoc: GreyFoxx, some places (like Seattle) has a webpage that shows traffic
[18:16:03] GreyFoxx: kormoc: Cool
[18:16:04] kormoc: nandy_, how would you do that anyway?
[18:16:05] Juski: no chess module, no traffic module, wow mythtv sucks (narf!)
[18:16:09] GreyFoxx: That would be handy
[18:16:12] nandy_: kormoc: do what now?
[18:16:18] kormoc: nandy_, get the traffic data
[18:16:33] nandy_: there are a few sights that have imagines availble
[18:16:39] kormoc: the main issue I would say is every place does it very differently
[18:16:45] nandy_: im not sure how the myth plugin system works
[18:16:47] Juski: use mythbrowser for that
[18:16:54] nandy_: i dont know that there is a defined standard for traffic info
[18:17:15] kormoc: ooh? and that standard is?
[18:17:22] kormoc: and where does the feeds come from?
[18:17:28] nandy_: kormoc: re-read what i said
[18:17:37] nandy_: "i dont know that there is..."
[18:17:48] kormoc: that reads to me like to sentences together
[18:18:02] kormoc: *two
[18:18:07] ** kormoc shrugs **
[18:18:10] nandy_: heh
[18:18:19] nandy_: im saying i dont know that such a standard exists
[18:18:26] nandy_: but i bet my uncle, google, does
[18:18:31] Juski: there prolly isn't one
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[18:18:41] kormoc: I'd bet that google doesn't, given there isn't a standard :P
[18:18:43] Juski: it'd be down to page scraping
[18:18:44] kormoc: hence the issue :P
[18:19:12] nandy_: kormoc: i know satellite radio has a sandard for such a thing
[18:19:33] nandy_: some car gps modules tie into the XM/Sir feed and can reroute accornding to the data
[18:19:34] Juski: oo XM radio, everyone's favourite open standards user
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[18:20:12] kormoc: nandy_, sure, but not everyone feeds data to them (PA for example doesn't), and it's not like you can hook into it anyway
[18:20:15] |Torg|: http://maps.yahoo.com/traffic.rss?csz=76039&a . . . amp;minsev=2
[18:20:15] nandy_: Juski: the point is someone is doing such a thing — wont be long before others do as well
[18:20:19] Juski: if the data is available on webpages just use mythbrowser & set your bookmarks
[18:20:21] linagee: does mythtv's duplicate database last forever, or does it get trimmed?
[18:20:29] kormoc: linagee, forever
[18:20:35] Juski: linagee: lasts until you trim it
[18:20:39] nandy_: linagee: fancy meeting you here slaps
[18:20:53] linagee: kormoc: i'm seeing reruns. i think i might have reinstalled once or something
[18:21:09] linagee: not tons of reruns. just a few once in a while
[18:21:14] kormoc: nandy_, well, the point is, someone is paying lots of money to do the thing, so you can likely do it too if you want to pay lots of money :P
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[18:21:34] GreyFoxx: cool, that htpc200 case that seth posted is available here for $105 Canadian
[18:21:56] Juski: traffic info isn't much use to a lot of commuters anyway (like me), where there's basically only one route to where they want to go
[18:21:56] kormoc: linagee, that's typical, the program feeds are not perfect and sometimes changes, and thus, a different show
[18:22:02] linagee: :-/
[18:22:13] GreyFoxx: Might get one for my dads machine. My mom dislikes the current case heh
[18:22:15] Juski: linagee: blame the data input monkeys
[18:22:25] linagee: i guess i can just say never record to those shows i already have
[18:22:43] linagee: it might have been like two years ago it recorded it. heheh
[18:23:01] linagee: yey! no reruns! :-D
[18:23:42] nandy_: kormoc: you know the ironic thing?
[18:24:04] nandy_: kormoc: my commute is like 6 minutes :P
[18:24:35] Juski: that's annoying, not ironic
[18:24:42] nandy_: Juski: hah
[18:25:07] kormoc: takes me around 20 to 30 minutes to drive 8 miles
[18:25:18] nandy_: luckily i dont have to hit a freeway
[18:25:36] linagee: kormoc: where do you live?
[18:26:15] linagee: seatle?
[18:26:29] Hoxzer: Does somebody here use hibertion on their mythbox?
[18:26:33] nandy_: wow i totally lost track of what i was doing in this core file because i got distracted looking up traffic stuff
[18:26:34] Juski: df
[18:26:36] Juski: oops
[18:26:55] linagee: why would you hibernate a mythbox? :-/
[18:27:12] Hoxzer: linagee: baucause it is faster than reboot
[18:27:14] Juski: Hoxzer: no, I like my backend always-on so my frontend can boot.
[18:27:22] linagee: Hoxzer: why would you reboot
[18:27:32] Hoxzer: Juski: :) yeah, but mytfrontend only box
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[18:27:54] Juski: Hoxzer: play with getting rid of init instead. Boot time can be reduced a _lot_
[18:28:28] linagee: Hoxzer: even tivos take a long time to boot
[18:28:32] Juski: don't use KDE or Gnome... use a minimal wm instead
[18:29:03] Hoxzer: Juski: yeah, but dont you think that going from hiberate to normal state is still faster?
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[18:29:31] Juski: Hoxzer: hibernate is a BITCH to get working in Linux
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[18:30:00] Hoxzer: Juski: :P ok.... I was actually asking just to know how easy it is to get work
[18:30:06] Juski: and if I remember right, you had enough issues just getting myth working
[18:30:19] ** kormoc laughs **
[18:30:38] Juski: hibernate, suspend to ram etc are still very new to linux kernels
[18:30:47] Juski: give it a couple of years
[18:30:47] kormoc: suspend2 isn't *too* new
[18:30:52] kormoc: and works semi well
[18:31:36] Juski: I've met folks considerably more hardy than I in terms of Linux experience, and I figure if they say it's a bitch it must be
[18:31:50] linagee: Hoxzer: why do you have the frontend and backend in different boxes?
[18:32:02] |Torg|: its not that its new its that just about every mb maker has its own standard
[18:32:17] kormoc: it took me around, say, a hour to get suspend2 working under 2.6.6 or so
[18:32:23] |Torg|: we used to is APM, and when it was finaly stable M$ cam along and perverted it to ACPI
[18:32:24] GreyFoxx: linagee: Why not ?
[18:32:25] linagee: |Torg|: windows manages to do it. :)
[18:32:31] |Torg|: then ACPI is instable, depnds on whos chip you use
[18:32:32] linagee: GreyFoxx: why so
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[18:32:40] Hoxzer: linagee: atm I have them in the same box but If I buy a second box to my room I will make it frontend only
[18:32:43] |Torg|: and today you have a loose defniotn of S2, S3 and S4 states
[18:32:47] GreyFoxx: linagee: Some have 1 "big" box in the basement and frontends through out the house
[18:33:02] linagee: GreyFoxx: why not a big box next to the TV? :-D
[18:33:02] GreyFoxx: I have several small frontends at TV's all over my house, but my backends are in the basement
[18:33:08] |Torg|: suspend for linux has been arround since the 2.0 kernels tho
[18:33:11] Hoxzer: linagee: bacause then I can record 2 programs at the same time or watch 2 tv cahnnels at the same time if other box isn't used
[18:33:28] GreyFoxx: Not all of us only have a single tv :)
[18:33:58] kormoc: |Torg|, 2.2.11 implimented the first suspend software iirc... I don't recall it ever being backported to 2.0 due to the design layout of the cpu handlers
[18:34:06] Juski: big argument for having separate boxen: 1. Nice looking, small, quiet PCs full of tuner cards & HDDs are expensive to build
[18:34:33] GreyFoxx: Juski: See there is a new IEGD out? AND it has OpenGL support
[18:34:43] GreyFoxx: so it might mean using the GL painter and or gl vsync
[18:35:00] GreyFoxx: I'm just building a new image for my boxes and I'm gonna include it insteasd of 5.0
[18:35:05] linagee: Juski: so have your mythfrontend/backend in the living room talk to storage down in the basement
[18:35:06] Juski: GreyFoxx: not played with the IEGD stuff for a while now, though if opengl now works, that's another minus against my Epia box
[18:35:12] |Torg|: I rember doing it on my old fujitzu lifebooks, it may have been 2.,2 but I coulda sworn it was 2.0
[18:35:24] Juski: linagee: shut up & let people do what they want
[18:35:29] linagee: :p
[18:35:46] GreyFoxx: Juski: It coimes with a libGL and it's listed in the release notes. Crossing my fingers that it works without much hassle
[18:36:13] nandy_: kormoc: http://maps.yahoo.com/traffic.rss?csz=14607&a . . . amp;minsev=2
[18:36:59] Juski: some (mad, IMHO) people have big cabinets in their lounge, with ducted vents going to the outside of the house, and they put their behemothic all-in-one box PVR HTPC in that
[18:37:03] kormoc: nandy_, welp, go ahead and start coding
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[18:37:29] linagee: does anyone know why my pvr-250 has duplicate and skipped frames? is the card dying?
[18:37:32] nandy_: kormoc: once i get my box happily functioning i probbaly will unless this exapansion we are realeasing kills me
[18:37:54] Juski: GreyFoxx: intruiging. When I get un-bored I'll start playing with the s100 box again... after upgrading my production system to 0.20
[18:37:55] nandy_: wow my spelling sucks.
[18:37:55] mah_meh: is anyone running a nova-t via usb2
[18:38:11] mah_meh: i had a world of problems with a pci one, so now im running a usb2 sucker
[18:38:13] GreyFoxx: Juski: When you update you will likely see all your colours blue shifted
[18:38:16] mah_meh: but the driver or something appears to kill my box
[18:38:27] GreyFoxx: I have a miniscule patch on ticket 2421(I think) for it
[18:38:52] linagee: how well do usb tuners work? wouldn't the quality be horrible? :-/
[18:39:02] GreyFoxx: It's a trivial fix that will get rolled in at some point. I'm just waiting for danielk to do it as trhe code around it is his work
[18:39:07] kormoc: no worse then a lof of pci tuners
[18:39:07] Juski: GreyFoxx: the s100 can do what it likes for the time being. by the time I get round to it (prolly post Linuxworld expo) 0.20-fixes will prolly cover it
[18:39:25] kormoc: and can even be better, as it's not around such a big magnetic field
[18:39:38] Juski: dunno about the quality of USB tuners, but I'd have fears about their reliability
[18:39:39] linagee: kormoc: but the bandwidth of USB is so small
[18:39:40] GreyFoxx: cool
[18:39:53] GreyFoxx: linia: usb2 can easily handly it
[18:40:08] kormoc: linagee, so? the top HD feeds are less then 20 mbit and usb2 is much much higer then that
[18:40:26] kormoc: linagee, my analog feed is 2.2 mbit a sec, usb 1.1 supports upto 11 mbit/sec, way more then enough
[18:40:30] Juski: USB1 can easily handle 6mbits, but contention with other devices could be a problem
[18:40:36] linagee: Juski: USB tuner running side by side with your USB fishtank, USB dog feeder, and USB coffee warmer. LOL
[18:40:52] Juski: USB dick warmers.... ricer kit, all
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[18:41:52] |Torg|: kormoc: recompling didnt help it still exits with Illegal Instruction
[18:42:12] linagee: kormoc: have you tried a USB tuner with vmware?
[18:42:26] linagee: (as VMWare wouldn't work with a PCI tuner)
[18:42:26] seth|laptop: This device is intriguing – http://www.silicondust.com/main/index.php?act . . . ;productId=5
[18:42:38] mbw: hello
[18:42:42] kormoc: linagee, no I haven't, but it should work
[18:42:55] kormoc: |Torg|, you might want to break out gddb and see waht's up then
[18:42:58] linagee: that would be.. interesting
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[18:43:38] Juski: linagee: already is... see the 0.20 release notes
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[18:44:28] mbw: do i need lesser cpu-power to record dvb-s than to record analog tv
[18:44:32] |Torg|: kormioc: gddb? you meant gdb, right?
[18:44:38] GreyFoxx: mbw: Yes
[18:44:43] linagee: Juski: did USB tuners not work with older revs?
[18:44:51] Tommck_: |Torg| – remember our discussion about EDID and my HDTV?
[18:44:54] GreyFoxx: mbw: depends on the type of analog card you use
[18:44:58] kormoc: |Torg|, aye
[18:45:04] |Torg|: yes Tommck what did it do?
[18:45:15] Tommck_: |Torg| – no EDID response
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[18:45:33] Tommck_: "... none found" when it probed :)
[18:45:34] GreyFoxx: mbw: pvr xxx cards for analog do everything in hardware so no cpu required, and with dvb it's broadcast as a compressed file so you just read from the card and write to the drive. Almost no cpu
[18:45:49] |Torg|: then there is something wrong I havnt seen a HD compatable TV that does that
[18:45:55] GreyFoxx: but if you have a btxxx analog card then you will need cpu to compress it
[18:46:07] Tommck_: |Torg| – it's probably Mitubishi doing it :)
[18:46:19] Tommck_: I think that's why I had to do the PowerStrip stuff last time
[18:46:25] Juski: linagee: hdhomerun box support came along in 0.20. USB tuners have been supported as long as linux drivers have existed
[18:46:37] mbw: does this mean, that i could run a dvb-s card in a frontend easily?
[18:46:53] mbw: i mean backend and frontend combinded in one machine?
[18:46:53] Juski: putting tuners in a frontend is pretty nonsensical
[18:47:05] seth|laptop: I really like the idea of this hdhomerun box, 2 tuners, 1 box, 1 price, I wonder how it will preform over the network though, hmmm
[18:47:08] GreyFoxx: mbw: Sure
[18:47:09] Tommck_: Juski – even if there is tons of unused CPU there?
[18:47:20] GreyFoxx: mbw: Assuming your frontend card play the stream
[18:47:27] Juski: mbw: if the box is powerful enough to decode mpeg2 on the fly, yes
[18:47:32] mah_meh: re: usb tuners, my old pci nova-t uses noticably more system resources than my usb nova-t
[18:47:40] Tommck_: (and converting it to a combined front/back end)
[18:47:43] linagee: Juski: can you put an HDTV tuner in a myth box that gets the 900 channels?
[18:47:49] mah_meh: quality is irrelevant since its digital
[18:47:56] Juski: linagee: 900 channels? what?
[18:48:04] linagee: Juski: 900, 901, 902, etc
[18:48:12] linagee: Juski: the HDTV ones here. (cox)
[18:48:25] Juski: dunno, and furthermore.. don't care
[18:48:29] linagee: :(
[18:48:33] mbw: could i do this with an epia board? watching live tv and recording from one card?
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[18:48:45] Juski: mbw: yup.. in theory
[18:48:56] Juski: lots of people do, but YMMV
[18:49:31] seth|laptop: wow, my hdtv channels here stop at 452 (45_2)
[18:49:37] mbw: in theory doesnt sound practical *g*
[18:50:25] simcop2387: Juski: i've got tuners in frontends simply because they're also the backends :) though if i had a dedicated frontend i probably wouldn't to keep it small
[18:50:35] linagee: seth|laptop: i think it would be interesting to use a mythtv box to make all the numerous channels more easily viewed. :-D
[18:50:44] Juski: mbw: it's possible, but if you're not so experienced in linux you might have bother getting xvmc to work on Via Epia kit
[18:51:04] linagee: seth|laptop: like you could have mythtv search the channels for programs you like and have it cycles through those shows only on livetv...
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[18:51:54] seth|laptop: linagee, I kind of do that now, with "favorites" as far as a scan would be concerned, I guess it should be easy enough to script
[18:51:58] mbw: what isw xvmc? what cpu would you use for such a box?
[18:52:19] seth|laptop: i would say nothing less than the via 10000
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[18:52:32] linagee: seth|laptop: or maybe you could log onto the TV and it would show you only the channels you're interested in. :-D
[18:52:59] seth|laptop: xvmc uses via monochrome graphics to take playback away from the system cpu, and utilize the graphics (gpu) processor
[18:53:12] seth|laptop: or nvidia
[18:53:28] simcop2387: motion compensation not monochrome
[18:53:38] seth|laptop: ok openchrome
[18:53:39] linagee: seth|laptop: also you could have each tv user with their own pvr. nobody else can access shows unless you mark them public
[18:53:47] simcop2387: i don't know why its called motion compensation, but it is
[18:53:49] Juski: mbw: my 1ghz epia uses 15% cpu playing back 720x576 mpeg2 using xvmc
[18:53:52] seth|laptop: not a bad idea linagee
[18:54:17] Juski: mbw: without xvmc it's more like 50% cpu or more
[18:54:34] Zider: you mean unichrome?
[18:54:36] simcop2387: seth|laptop: i think its unichrome, not openchrome
[18:54:39] seth|laptop: thats it
[18:55:05] seth|laptop: heh, I am an nvidia user, but there is some mention in the knoppmyth forums on Unichrome, and Unichrome Pro
[18:55:07] seth|laptop: my bad
[18:55:15] mbw: as far as i know, fanless epias are awailible. so you could build a fanless or near fanless box..
[18:55:30] Juski: my epia m10k is fanless now
[18:55:41] linagee: mbw: why not just use the quietest fans available? that would be better IMHO
[18:55:48] Zider: mbw: most of them can be run fanless iirc
[18:55:55] simcop2387: seth|laptop: same here :)
[18:56:03] linagee: mbw: unless you're trying to starve components of cooling
[18:56:16] Juski: unichrome == via's video drivers for epia stuff etc. openchrome == open source version of unichrome and now the best to have if you want stuff to work
[18:56:33] simcop2387: linagee: i'd use water cooling and one larger fan rather than many
[18:56:43] |Torg|: kormoc: (gdb) bt
[18:56:44] |Torg|: #0 0xb720f1db in av_estimate_timings ()
[18:56:44] |Torg|: from /usr/local/lib/libmythavformat-0.20.so.0
[18:56:48] seth|laptop: openchrome developes the unichrome opensource driver, thats where that came from, heheh, http://www.openchrome.org
[18:56:50] |Torg|: thats what crashed it
[18:56:50] linagee: simcop2387: more points of failure?
[18:57:36] kormoc: |Torg|, you need to compile with debug flags set and then set a breakpoint in av_estimate_timings and step to the line that's giving the issue
[18:57:42] simcop2387: linagee: potentially quieter, and just as many as many fans :)
[18:57:43] mbw: that is something to consider...
[18:57:44] linagee: simcop2387: you can consolidate things like storage because we have raid. you can consolidate processors (vmware) because we have HA computers. (dual PSUs, RAID memory, etc). but what makes cooling consolidation better?
[18:58:08] |Torg|: kormoc: I just realised that but thamnks, I was wondering why everything was stripped :)
[18:58:37] seth|laptop: I wonder if they will ever get color OSD in xvmc for nvidia 6200 or higher users.....
[18:58:38] Juski: linagee: shift the most volume of air at once, at as slow a speed as possible to keep the noise down
[18:59:28] mbw: does anybody know what resolution i can get with dvb-s? can i use a computer monitor with mythtv?
[18:59:35] linagee: Juski: i dunno. i just don't like the idea of piping water around my system. especially when it's not electronically checked for leaks.
[18:59:53] Juski: with a zalman northbridge cooler on my epia board in place of the factory HSF, it's silent and the CPU temp stays lower than 55 degrees Celcius
[19:00:00] hjohnson: mbw: dvb-s is usually at NTSC resolutions, though it can be realistically at anything you can push over an mpeg2 stream
[19:00:04] linagee: Juski: they could put the water under pressure and use a pressure sensor to see if it leaks out
[19:00:11] antiPosix: I am worried my Chaintech GeForce MX4000 card I just purchased is not going to work with MythTV after reading some posts. Anyone in here use that card for TV-out?
[19:00:17] linagee: i've just not seen that
[19:00:26] kormoc: antiPosix, why wouldn't it?
[19:00:40] simcop2387: linagee: not too hard to do at all
[19:00:41] hjohnson: hehe..
[19:00:46] antiPosix: kormoc: I dont know why it wouldnt work.
[19:00:47] seth|laptop: antiposix, it should be fine, there is a guy in my LUG who uses them on 3 frontend boxes
[19:00:54] linagee: simcop2387: true, but does it exist in current water cooling kits?
[19:00:59] kormoc: antiPosix, so why are you concerned bout it?
[19:00:59] Juski: mbw: dvb-s would be at 720x480 res for NTSC (max, in the case of SDTV) or for PAL, 720x576, again talking about SDTV
[19:01:02] hjohnson: i still have to chuckle about my server box.... great, big, powerful CPu and huge drive array... itty bitty video card.
[19:01:09] seth|laptop: mx4000 = bargain priced tv-out
[19:01:14] simcop2387: linagee: not sure but its not too hard to DIY
[19:01:27] kormoc: hjohnson, real men don't have videocards in their servers :P
[19:01:27] antiPosix: and the nvidia drivers are fairly easy to install?
[19:01:33] seth|laptop: I was actually thinking of getting one for my bedroom frontend, they have them at the local pc shop for 29.99
[19:01:34] Juski: antiPosix: totally
[19:01:35] hjohnson: mbw: dvb-s2 can carry HDTV, but there's not much out there that isn't encrypted.
[19:01:40] kormoc: antiPosix, aye
[19:01:48] hjohnson: kormoc: eh, the bios doesn't want to boot without it.
[19:01:50] linagee: simcop2387: no thanks. you're talking about a lot of R+D for just one setup.
[19:01:52] antiPosix: nice! thanks for putting me at ease guys
[19:02:01] hjohnson: kormoc: it' snot a server board. :P
[19:02:18] kormoc: hjohnson, you can usually disable the halt on video error on consumer level bios as well
[19:02:21] |Torg|: hjohnson go look up usdtv
[19:02:22] aevil: seth|laptop, i think you could get a fx5200 for about 30
[19:02:28] mbw: 720x576: how does this look on 1280x1024?
[19:02:50] simcop2387: linagee: its not that much R&D at all, get a pressure sensor and monitor the sensor via some port (joystick or sound probably), not hard at all :)
[19:02:53] hjohnson: man, you know, it's mind blowing.. my first computer was a trash-80... now I have a computer with a pair of 2Ghz 64bit CPUs.
[19:03:06] seth|laptop: aevil, I have looked at those as well, the local shop has them for 34.99, but I'll bet the internet has them cheaper.
[19:03:22] simcop2387: linagee: its not like you have to spend $10,000 doing testing for a setup at home
[19:03:26] hjohnson: kormoc: yeah, but I do like having the monitor available "just in case" sometihng goes wrong.. that I have have a hope of seeing what the error is when the whole hting goes to pot.
[19:03:36] linagee: simcop2387: sound? wtf?
[19:03:46] hjohnson: |Torg|: which bird is usdtv?
[19:03:53] linagee: simcop2387: i'd say use an ezusb chip and have it hooked up using that
[19:04:03] ** hjohnson is in the satcoms biz.. I can slave over one of our dishes to pretty much any satellite visible from north america. :P **
[19:04:07] |Torg|: hjohnson: its atsc, encrypted
[19:04:19] hjohnson: oh
[19:04:21] hjohnson: meh.
[19:04:27] hjohnson: encrypted stuff doesn't really interest me.
[19:04:32] simcop2387: linagee: if you have one :)
[19:04:37] linagee: encrypt your TV shows? lol.
[19:04:52] mbw: what dvb-s card would you recommend, when being on a budget?
[19:05:08] hjohnson: mbw: dvb-s, or dvb-t?
[19:05:14] hjohnson: (ie do you have a dish?)
[19:05:16] simcop2387: linagee: sound card would cost less :) diode, resistor, and possible an NPN to step it up or down (depending on the sensor
[19:05:22] mbw: dvb-s
[19:05:28] linagee: simcop2387: wtf
[19:05:30] mbw: satellite...
[19:05:33] hjohnson: mbw: not sure, actually..
[19:05:37] antiPosix: I am using Ubuntu 5.x as my back/frontend. Everything is fine accept I have to log in as an unpriv user and start mythfrontend manually. and it uses a bloated gnome as a WM. any howto's on configuring mythfrontend to start at boot without requiring a user to log in?
[19:05:40] linagee: simcop2387: then you are limited to one source and have a tied up soundcard
[19:06:04] hjohnson: mbw: i've done a lot of work with dvb-s, I haven't seen anything transmitted in the clear that's worth viewing, except for NasaTV, if you have a C-band receiver.
[19:06:08] simcop2387: linagee: how is the sound card tied up (yea its limited to one source, but you only need one source to tell you if you're losing pressure)
[19:06:09] Juski: antiPosix: try the mythtv.org/wiki/ pages
[19:06:13] aevil: mbw, skystar2 works fine
[19:06:14] linagee: simcop2387: not to mention all the processing power you'd have to devote to decoding it
[19:06:23] GreyFoxx: pwd
[19:06:25] GreyFoxx: oops
[19:06:38] linagee: simcop2387: what if you wanted to do other things? monitor temp in/out, fan speed, etc?
[19:06:52] simcop2387: linagee: lm_sensors off the motherboard
[19:07:09] linagee: simcop2387: ??
[19:07:19] linagee: simcop2387: how does that help in monitoring your external cooler?
[19:07:27] ** seth|laptop uses mbmon **
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[19:07:52] Juski: just use lower power stuff that doesn't need so much cooling. sheesh
[19:07:52] simcop2387: linagee: it'll monitor all of the temperatures of the system and cpu, those are the ones that matter
[19:08:01] linagee: simcop2387: not really
[19:08:07] linagee: simcop2387: the temp of the cooler matters
[19:08:15] Juski: anyway when did this become #ricers?
[19:08:18] linagee: well, they all matter if you have such a system set up
[19:08:25] simcop2387: Juski: i dunno it balloon up
[19:08:35] linagee: mmm... rice
[19:08:46] hjohnson: d00d, cool it with LN2!
[19:08:46] mbw: skystar2: could work for me... mythtv really seems to be something for me..
[19:08:47] ** Juski douses the channel with a big dollop of R22 **
[19:08:50] simcop2387: hjohnson: too cold for some memory IIRC
[19:08:59] hjohnson: simcop2387: too cold for any transistor to switch
[19:08:59] antiPosix: I saw your ride on funroll-loops.org
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[19:09:24] linagee: hjohnson: i don't see why people cool things with liquids. do you think your fridge works like that? why not just strip the cooling system from an old fridge?
[19:09:26] simcop2387: hjohnson: really? i thought some of them worked still (might have been because it wasn't a very effecient setup that did it
[19:09:35] Juski: hjohnson: like you'd ever get the die that cold anyway
[19:09:55] simcop2387: linagee: actually your fridge does work like that, it cools the air using a liquid refridgerant
[19:10:10] simcop2387: linagee: it doesn't directly cool your food
[19:10:12] linagee: simcop2387: the liquid goes from liquid to gas at each cycle. :P
[19:10:28] linagee: simcop2387: you're not doing that with liquid cooling
[19:10:47] simcop2387: linagee: which is why i've always wanted to do that :) much more effective
[19:10:50] mbw: do you need much linux knowledge to set mythtv up? i just started with ubuntu...
[19:11:09] linagee: simcop2387: so who ever started this liquid cooling thing? some kid?
[19:11:13] simcop2387: mbw: not an incredible amount
[19:11:21] simcop2387: linagee: not sure, i think some company that hyped it up
[19:11:28] |Torg|: mbw go get knoppmyth and use the cd's
[19:11:30] seth|laptop: if you want a carefree install, and its even debian based, use knoppmyth. http://www.mysettopbox.tv
[19:11:34] seth|laptop: heh
[19:11:55] hjohnson: linagee: because liquids are a far more efficient way of moving heat than air is.
[19:12:05] Juski: linagee: who started liquid cooling? Oh I dunno.. maybe some mainframe manufacturer or other...
[19:12:09] simcop2387: linagee: i like it for the possiblity of using less fans and being able to actually make it quieter
[19:12:11] linagee: hjohnson: air? LOL. we're talking freon. not air
[19:12:11] hjohnson: Juski: well, if you let it cold soak before you applied the LN2.
[19:12:22] Juski: hjohnson: lol
[19:12:27] |Torg|: Juski IBM did it in the 60's with water
[19:12:28] simcop2387: linagee: well it started out as water :)
[19:12:30] linagee: Juski: not really
[19:12:35] hjohnson: er cold soak before you applied power. :)
[19:12:38] simcop2387: |Torg|: i thought it was mineral oil not water?
[19:12:39] ** Juski remembers '/ignore' (YAY!) **
[19:12:42] linagee: Juski: most mainframe manufacturers use freon these days.
[19:12:44] hjohnson: there's a Cray model with an integrated waterfall.
[19:12:47] hjohnson: it's pretty cool
[19:12:48] linagee: Juski: or other gas coolants
[19:13:02] hjohnson: simcop2387: no, computer cooling was done with what amounts to fluroinert..
[19:13:07] hjohnson: at $250 a gallon or something.
[19:13:12] linagee: Juski: even heat pipes in laptops use that. so why the liquid cooling?
[19:13:12] hjohnson: also useable as artificial blood.
[19:13:14] Juski: linagee: gases.. which are infact liquid at some point
[19:13:14] simcop2387: hjohnson: ah thats the stuff
[19:13:30] simcop2387: Juski: who'd you /ignore ?
[19:13:32] hjohnson: heatpipes tend to use alcohol.
[19:13:35] Juski: anyway I'm muting the ricer shit
[19:13:35] mbw: knoppmyth looks interesting, but could you also use ubuntu as basis. so that you could openoffice & co on the pc?
[19:13:39] hjohnson: in a vacuum.
[19:13:52] linagee: Juski: i'm not debating gas/liquid. i'm saying they should use the cycle used in a fridge and A/C, not pumping around water in tubes.
[19:13:53] simcop2387: i'm guessing me
[19:14:03] Juski: nope
[19:14:17] hjohnson: linagee: problem there is getting the evaporator design right...
[19:14:29] seth|laptop: sure, I imagine that the same repos knoppmyth uses for myth, should work with ubuntu, there have to be some repos out there for that, I see alot of ubuntu/myth users out there
[19:14:29] Juski: it's either block it out, or go postal in my trademark fashion
[19:14:39] linagee: hjohnson: that's why i said. a company puts in the R+D to do it. one DIYer doesn't do it.
[19:14:40] hjohnson: linagee: it's just easier to use a stock evaporator and move around water.. same principle as building-wide HVAC systems.. they move it all around using chilled/heated water.
[19:14:58] simcop2387: hjohnson: i'd just rip it out of an airconditioner/fridge/freezer
[19:15:04] linagee: hjohnson: chilled water? what ever happened to A/C ducts?
[19:15:25] hjohnson: linagee: it's still a toough problem to crack, if you're going to ahve multiple evaporators for say the bridges, cpu, etc.
[19:15:39] hjohnson: linagee: the air ducts are heated/cooled by airhandlers fed from a water circuit.
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[19:15:55] |Torg|: the AC and Refredgerator units work by forcing air (via a fan) over an evaperator coil. That transition looses about 1/5 the enery. It is much more efficeitnt to put the tubes directly on the chip
[19:16:37] linagee: |Torg|: true
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[19:16:55] hjohnson: |Torg|: in theory, but in practice, the water tubes would be more flexible, smaller, and more reliable than lots of small refrigerant tubes.
[19:17:05] linagee: OT-OVERLOAD. lol
[19:17:19] hjohnson: yep. :)
[19:17:45] simcop2387: heh
[19:17:46] linagee: hjohnson: water tubes more reliable? LOL
[19:17:55] simcop2387: i didn't mean to do that...
[19:18:04] hjohnson: linagee: sure.
[19:18:15] hjohnson: when was the last time a pipe leaked in your house?
[19:18:20] linagee: hjohnson: never?
[19:18:28] hjohnson: linagee: q.e.d.
[19:18:37] hjohnson: if you're careful, plumbing can be quite reliable.
[19:18:39] ** linagee lives in CA. we don't have "pipe leak" :P **
[19:18:52] Zider: nor pipes? ;)
[19:19:03] seth|laptop: mbw – here ya go – https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallMythOnUbuntu
[19:19:07] hjohnson: Zider: aparenly only the crack type.
[19:19:11] linagee: LOL
[19:19:19] Zider: ;)
[19:19:30] hjohnson: ok.. I was supposed to do something today..
[19:19:32] ** hjohnson grumbles **
[19:19:33] linagee: hjohnson: well actually.. in LA, yes!
[19:19:41] ** linagee does not live in LA thank god **
[19:20:05] Zider: me neither
[19:20:23] simcop2387: wonder when Juski will be back?
[19:20:36] mbw: seth: thank you: i hope you can start the normal ubuntu and not only the frontend..
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[19:21:14] linagee: simcop2387: i bet he's eating lunch
[19:21:17] seth|laptop: yeah, my guess is unless you modify the users .xinitrc, it will just go to the regular desktop, you'll have to launch the frontend manually
[19:22:52] simcop2387: linagee: ah so not entirely our ballooned up discussion about cooling :)
[19:23:15] mbw: but the backend will run, even if i am using the normal ubuntu desktop?
[19:23:24] simcop2387: mbw: it should
[19:23:50] simcop2387: mbw: it should run in the background on startup if you tell it to (i don't know how with ubuntu but it can be done)
[19:24:22] simcop2387: the guide probably says how
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[19:25:14] mbw: ok, this could work for me, having a computer running ubuntu and the backend, and starting the frontend whenever i want to watch tv...
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[19:25:39] simcop2387: mbw: thats how i do it, works very well
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[19:27:32] simcop2387: back when i first started with 0.16 (or something i forget now) it didn't work too well like that but its gotten MUCH MUCH better (0.18 was the killer release for that)
[19:27:56] mbw: well, i am going to college next month and i haven´t decided on a laptop yet, so i will need at last openoffice for the start
[19:28:53] simcop2387: yea
[19:34:01] Fatty123: Hi, after upgrading ivtv to 0.7 and mythtv to 0.20 I now get "Channel(/dev/video0): SetInputAndFormat() failed" when scheduling recordings, though livetv works fine... any ideas?
[19:35:35] simcop2387: sounds like the settings for the card need to be reset with mythtv-setup
[19:37:25] Fatty123: should I blow it all away and redo it then?
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[19:44:42] seth|laptop: reports from knoppmyth say that 0.7.0 uses a different naming schema for pvr150 and 250 cards, they reccomend blowing away all cards from mythtv setup, and then recreating them, if necessary pass (input) 'options ivtv tuner=50' /etc/modprobe.conf, may be somewhere to start looking fatty123
[19:47:29] Anduin: Fatty123: inputs were renamed, mythtv-setup, delete all cards, add them back (not related to the tuner module)
[19:47:43] seth|laptop: well there ya go
[19:47:46] seth|laptop: :-)
[19:49:06] linagee: simcop2387: ballooned?
[19:49:29] simcop2387: linagee: got out of hand :)
[19:50:11] Fatty123: thanks for the advice seth|laptop and Anduin, I'll give it a shot
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[20:02:58] RyeBrye: I'm working on getting parts together for my MythTV backend... I was wondering – how regularly do you find yourself burning content onto DVD?
[20:03:40] RyeBrye: I have 3 DVD burners now, of various speeds. My thought is to put the slowest one in the backend because I don't anticipate using it much...
[20:03:41] Zider: for me.. in mythtv, never.. on the ws, all the time :P
[20:04:32] seth|laptop: I have not tried it yet, but HDTV recordings take up alot of space. I have a few programs I will need to archive to dvd, very soon, and with dvd burners running about $42, I think its time to invest.
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[20:05:09] RyeBrye: If I go with a hardware encoder that records straight to MPEG-2, like the PVR-500... then it's trivial to put it on to straight Video DVDs, isn't it?
[20:05:25] seth|laptop: yes, and you can even do it from mythweb
[20:05:51] RyeBrye: Cool. Good to know.
[20:07:23] RyeBrye: I'm pumped to get this MythTV setup going... I've had a DirecTiVo for a while now (DirecTV is included in our HOA) but our HOA is switching to a local cable provider soon and I'm not about to pay $200+ a year just for TiVo...
[20:08:07] fryfrog: HOA?
[20:08:45] RyeBrye: Home owners association
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[20:09:25] fryfrog: seth|laptop: $42 for a dvd burner is a lot, $20–30 is more in line.
[20:09:32] fryfrog: or was that in fake dollars?
[20:09:53] fryfrog: RyeBrye: you *might* even be able to get HD from your cable or OTA too
[20:10:15] RyeBrye: Good point.
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[20:10:53] RyeBrye: I don't have an HDTV, but if my backend recorded HD, I could stream it to a frontend on my computer I suppose...
[20:11:23] fryfrog: how did dtv work in a home owners association? did everyione have a dish? Or did the neighbor hood have one dish and send output to houses or?
[20:11:44] RyeBrye: It's kind of strange
[20:11:49] RyeBrye: There is one big communal dish
[20:12:22] fryfrog: neat
[20:12:25] RyeBrye: and I'm guessing a whole heck of a lot of active switches (because DTV can't just be split in half based like RF...)
[20:12:42] fryfrog: yeah, you need multi-plexers
[20:12:51] fryfrog: but i dunno how a *huge* multi-house setup would work
[20:12:56] RyeBrye: It's kind of annyoing though, because we dont' have the luxury of having people that care at all about us as customers because we're in bulk...
[20:12:59] fryfrog: why are they switching from dtv -> cable?
[20:13:05] fryfrog: oh
[20:13:16] fryfrog: so support was not done via dtv? or?
[20:13:20] RyeBrye: The contract is up in November, and there is a new half that was built more recently that is on a different provider
[20:13:38] fryfrog: ah, so now everyone will be on the same provider?
[20:13:41] RyeBrye: Support was done for problems with the DTV service through DTV – but for installs and stuff it's through the local people...
[20:13:54] fryfrog: ah, i see
[20:13:58] RyeBrye: Yeah, which will save money for the HOA, plus have some side benefits
[20:14:26] RyeBrye: Our internet for my half is through the same provider – digis – who beams a wireless signal down to our hoa and NATs the crap out of it before it gets to our individual house
[20:14:33] fryfrog: with the big dish, did your neighborhood have any outages like during bad rain / storm?
[20:14:36] RyeBrye: when we switch, I'll actually have my own IP on a cable modem
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[20:14:47] RyeBrye: I haven't noticed any recently
[20:15:00] fryfrog: blah, i hate when your ISP pre-nats you :)
[20:15:03] RyeBrye: When I first moved in we would have problems I think due to the switches – because certain channels would go out
[20:15:12] fryfrog: ah
[20:15:32] fryfrog: I'm a closet weirdo, i wanna setup a "campus" for my family
[20:15:42] fryfrog: ie, 3 or 4 houses all in *relative* proximity
[20:16:03] fryfrog: but i'd probably setup some huge myth farm instead of cable/dtv
[20:16:11] fryfrog: just sucks that all the good HD content is encrypted
[20:16:16] RyeBrye: They also pimp-slapped me one month for high usage (they try to tell us we have 4 gigs of transfer a month) – and I was downloading a bunch of crap from torrents so they throttled me down to 15 kbps/sec max up/download speed which sucked
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[20:16:27] RyeBrye: Yeah, a big myth farm would seem to make more sense
[20:16:57] hjohnson: haha.. "well, I just got a call for support from this customer... " "so go ask John" "we laid him off" "oh... crap..."
[20:16:58] fryfrog: lame :/
[20:17:02] hjohnson: I just had that conversation. :P
[20:17:09] RyeBrye: It took me a few months before I could convince them to uncap me, and now I just avoid torrents... and wait for November to come when I will be free to download whatever I want (legally, of course...)
[20:17:18] robert83a1: hello people, I have installed 0.20 MythTV from rpm on FC5 , it works fine, I have one thing that I'm currently unable to resolve, when going to Rip/Transcode (DVD) I get a cannot connect to your Myth Transcoding Daemon, what is missing ?
[20:17:37] kormoc: robert83a1, mtd isn't running
[20:17:44] fryfrog: you probably need to start up mtd
[20:17:45] fryfrog: damnit :)
[20:17:47] fryfrog: to slow
[20:18:52] robert83a1: kormoc : so I just need to start it , it is installed with mythtv-suite via yum ,right?
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[20:19:19] Anduin: robert83a1: There is a message on the screen that tells you how to start it.
[20:19:37] robert83a1: yeah I press the buttons but nothing
[20:19:53] scopeuk: evening all
[20:19:55] robert83a1: then I get a error that /var/lib/mythdvd/temp is not writable, maybe it is as simple as to create this directory ?
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[20:20:21] Bransom: does mythweb support apache/httpd 2.2
[20:20:23] Bransom: ?
[20:20:36] kormoc: why wouldn't it?
[20:20:42] Anduin: robert83a1: Yes, or go to the setup and give it a real directory.
[20:21:04] robert83a1: Anduin : thank you seems that I somehow got over this without noticing :)
[20:21:06] Bransom: just wanted to know before I compiled saves time banging head against wall later
[20:21:11] Bransom: thanks
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[20:22:14] Zider: http://www.mythweb.com/ – speaking of mythweb ;D
[20:22:15] Fatty123: Hey folks, just a note, deleting the cards and channels and redoing it all fixed the missing recording problem, thanks
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[20:23:29] Bransom: call me zeus
[20:23:47] Zider: <<-- thor :P
[20:24:12] Bransom: nice
[20:26:27] robert83a1: Anduin : that did the trick, since I currently have no remote, I've selected everything I need, how do I start the rip ? which button?
[20:28:29] Anduin: robert83a1: 0 (at the bottom of the screen)
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[20:28:50] robert83a1: oh :)
[20:29:55] robert83a1: Anduin : now that I think about it, I actualy did that, I've selected the movie I want to rip , quality language etc...and now I don't know how to make it happen
[20:30:54] Anduin: robert83a1: If you hit 0 (and are not on an edit line) the job will start.
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[20:31:21] robert83a1: got it, it started
[20:31:31] robert83a1: that I did not know, thank you it started doing something
[20:32:19] robert83a1: I was just wondering, this might be a bad thing, but uhh, is it possible to have a menu music somehow in mythtv ?
[20:33:06] kormoc: currently, no, it's not
[20:33:20] Anduin: robert83a1: Not yet, with any luck never :)
[20:33:57] robert83a1: Anduin : yeah I probably think what your point is, cause the fc5 sound service caused some problems as well...
[20:34:18] robert83a1: Anduin : but oh well... seems it have to wait
[20:34:55] robert83a1: next question, is it possible to do the following, start a music in the music listener, and if you happen to go to webbrowser it would not stop ?
[20:36:42] sceo: Hi boys and girls; I've got a MythTV box up and running that's both a front-end and backend (self contained). I just got a laptop running Ubuntu that I want to use as a front-end only. I managed to install mythfrontend on Ubuntu and configure MySQL on the backend to allow connections from outside of localhost/127.0.0.1 and when i finally connected successfully, I got a warning that the client version is 15 and the server pro
[20:36:48] Anduin: robert83a1: No real background plugins yet
[20:37:13] sceo: along those lines, I THINK the Ubuntu package is ergo out of date, and I should rebuild mythfrontend from source. am I on the right track? how is this accomplished?
[20:37:38] robert83a1: Anduin : got it, thank you for your kind help
[20:37:45] Anduin: sceo: You need the same same version, yes. How did you install on the backend?
[20:38:13] sceo: backend I installed from KnoppMyth, frontend on Ubuntu I installed through Synaptic
[20:39:01] Anduin: sceo: Yeah, version mismatch, you need the same version as on KnoppMyth
[20:39:11] sceo: Anduin: myth 0.19, knoppmyth r5c7 i think
[20:39:36] sceo: anduin: which version is it referring to? the Myth version (i.e. 0.19 ?) — or of libmyth, or... ?
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[20:40:12] sceo: anduin: so I think that my plan would be to grab the 0.19 source from mythtv.org and build it, but is there a --front-end-only compile option or anything?
[20:40:44] Anduin: sceo: There is but it is only for porting
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[20:41:21] Anduin: sceo: It is likely that knoppmyth is using 0.19-fixes, may want to check.
[20:41:26] sceo: anduin: so in light of that, what's the best way to go about this... compile/install the whole thing and then just disable (uninstall?) the services I don't need?
[20:42:15] Anduin: sceo: Yeah, make install doesn't install init script or anything like that, you can delete the backend binary if it makes you happy, or just not run it.
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[20:43:52] sceo: anduin: thanks for your help, I'll give that a shot later this evening. wanted to make sure I was on the right track here.
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[20:54:34] Juski2: interesting problem. my recordings folder is chock full of files (fs is not full btw) and when I enter 'watch recordings' in mythfrontend I get to choose which group filter to use. Apparently there are 129 recordings under 'all programmes'. Yet when I select that group, I'm told "there are no recordings available"  !!!
[20:55:46] RyeBrye: maybe it's filtering them based on interest level-AI, and MythTV has concluded that all 129 of them suck and aren't worth watching
[20:56:01] Juski2: and they're all showing in mythweb
[20:56:12] ** RyeBrye knows nothing **
[20:56:54] Juski2: recorded table looks quite right too. hmmmm
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[20:58:04] Juski2: I'd just finished watching a recording, went back into the recorded programmes list and... nada
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[20:59:52] Juski2: running mysqlcheck....
[21:00:10] antiProzac: aaggh!! another Juski
[21:00:12] Juski2: no problems found there
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[21:00:25] antiProzac: crap and antiPosix and an antiProzac!
[21:00:57] Juski: and myth is still recording a show... hrm
[21:01:02] antiProzac: is there such thing as a USB IR-Blaster that works with linux/mythtv
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[21:03:24] Juski: eeeew shit. now mythweb has fallen over
[21:04:00] RyeBrye: Has anyone used both MythTV and TiVo extensively? I'm wondering how the two compare – interface wise
[21:04:21] antiProzac: I have
[21:04:29] antiProzac: I've used Tivo extensively
[21:04:44] antiProzac: And I have had a mythtv in the bedroom for the past month
[21:04:48] antiProzac: do i count?
[21:05:29] RyeBrye: yes
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[21:05:58] RyeBrye: What's your experience in switching? I'm going to be moving from TiVo to MythTV soon... is there any transition pain?
[21:06:25] antiProzac: mythtv has a more complex/more fine grain control way of dealing with schedule conflics
[21:06:54] antiProzac: I set up my mythtv touse my Tivo remote to help with withdrawals
[21:07:11] RyeBrye: Yeah, I'm planning to do the same. I love that peanut
[21:08:14] antiProzac: I have a tormenting image of the tivo logo raping me for more money, so a transition was easy for me
[21:08:22] RyeBrye: True
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[21:08:38] antiProzac: although I have lifetime on my series2
[21:08:47] antiProzac: I'm afraid my box will die
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[21:09:17] RyeBrye: are lifetimes transferrable if you sell the box?
[21:09:28] Juski: restoring database backup from 4am last night....
[21:09:39] antiProzac: I do not know
[21:09:43] antiProzac: I think they are bound to the box
[21:10:02] antiProzac: but wonderful tivo is making lifetime transferable to the new little Series3
[21:10:06] RyeBrye: There might be value in that because I think there was some deal for people crazy enough to buy the $800 HD TiVo's that they could upgrade their lifetime to work with the new HD TiVo for #$100 or something
[21:10:07] RyeBrye: yeah
[21:10:11] antiProzac: for $199
[21:10:16] RyeBrye: that's what it was
[21:10:18] antiProzac: plus the purchase of a serie3
[21:10:30] antiProzac: so a grand total of $800
[21:10:36] RyeBrye: Yeah. I'm going to build a Myth box for less than 1 year of TiVo fees
[21:10:38] antiProzac: um.... no thanks
[21:11:18] RyeBrye: If TiVo were cheaper, I wouldn't have even considered it... If it were – say – $5 a month or something
[21:11:32] antiProzac: I've never paid monthly
[21:11:33] Juski: so... nobody have an explanation for why upcoming recordings vanished, along with all my recordings, despite the tables being populated & the database not being corrupted?
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[21:11:45] antiProzac: I bought my series 2 about 2 years ago for $150 after rebate and lifetime for $300
[21:11:53] antiProzac: $450 wasnt bad for a lifetime of tivo
[21:11:58] antiProzac: but those days are gone
[21:12:00] RyeBrye: Juski: It seems all the technically minded people are asleep or away
[21:12:03] antiProzac: they no longer offer it
[21:12:10] RyeBrye: yep
[21:12:14] RyeBrye: That's 3 years of TiVo service
[21:12:29] Juski: RyeBrye: typical. first time I need real help & everybody's away
[21:13:05] RyeBrye: Did you try a ScanDisk and a Defrag? ;)
[21:13:06] cannonball: Hello all. We are seeing a very specific issue. The box (completely) locks up when playing live TV but is fine when playing pre-recorded video. This box is not running OpenGL. It's a Dell P4 2.4GHz workstation with 2 GB RAM, so it's not starved for power. Anybody ever seen anything like this?
[21:13:25] Juski: never mind! fucking good job I backup my database nightly!!!!!!!!
[21:13:56] Anduin: Juski: disk full?
[21:14:13] Juski: Anduin: far from it
[21:15:10] Juski: and to add insult to injury, I stopped verbose logging last week because the mysterious disappearing upcoming recordings list had seemingly been behaving itself
[21:15:40] Juski: the only thing of note I can think of that I did was delete a huge swathe of xfiles recordings
[21:15:58] Anduin: Juski: restarting the backend doesn't fix it?
[21:16:22] Juski: Anduin: no it didn't fix it
[21:16:35] Juski: I had to blast the db & restore a recent backup
[21:17:12] Juski: I need a drink now.. damn that was scary
[21:17:45] Juski: actually I wouldn't mind knowing a quick way to delete all those xfiles recordings since the metadata is still there
[21:17:51] Juski: ;)
[21:18:27] Juski: would you reckon I've been bit by using ext3 with 0.19 here ?
[21:20:17] krisp_: is there an ati proprietaty driver hack for 0.19
[21:20:19] Anduin: Only in that deletes will be slowe
[21:20:34] krisp_: i know its built into 0.20 but i reverted t 0.19 to see if i could get hdtv working properly
[21:20:46] Anduin: Juski: It would be nice to see the backend log for when it was failing
[21:20:46] Juski: I think I might have just found a problem. I went to the recording group, added it to a playlist (talking about the files I know are missing) and went to delete the whole lot... now getting a recurring message about the 1st of the files being missing
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[21:23:42] Juski: right... seemingly that's everything back to normal
[21:24:24] Juski: I took a dump of the db before I trashed it if anyone wants to take a look at it.. no idea if it'd be any use since I plan to upgrade to 0.20 this weekend anyway
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[21:26:45] Anduin: Not sure a DB dump would be that useful, seeing the scheduler run log messages and connection logging may.
[21:27:28] Juski: bugger all in the log
[21:27:37] hjohnson: hehe, I came up with a clever way of moving my databases from one machine to another.. I saved a copy of my / on my array "just in case" and turns out I needed it... chroot'd to the root of the old drive, then exported the database. :P
[21:27:55] Juski: there's the result of mythfilldatabase in the log at 4.20am today
[21:28:02] Juski: then the backend restart...
[21:28:11] Juski: then the other backend startup
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[21:30:18] Anduin: Juski: No "Scheduled blah items in blah" messages?
[21:30:46] Juski: Anduin: /etc/conf.d/mythbackend had verbose logging set to 'none'
[21:31:13] Juski: now set to MYTH_VERBOSE="file,schedule,record,playback"
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[21:32:07] Juski: see, kids... _always_ back up your database. I saved the WAF !!
[21:32:16] Anduin: I'm mostly sure that schedule message is at important (I only turn on record, channel and file)
[21:32:55] Juski: maybe not in this gentoo install
[21:33:17] Juski: I'll be fairly glad to see the back of it.. it's been troublesome recently anyway
[21:33:38] Anduin: Juski: ah, nevermind it is general
[21:34:03] radi0head: I came back from a small weekend trip Sunday and left mythtv opened all weekend but there was no room left on my hdd. When I checked my mythweb it was borked, ie: http://pastebin.ca/177974 . I made some room (about 2gb) and it still is borked. BTW mythtv works perfectly, only the mythweb database seems borked.
[21:34:24] Juski: wait a bloody minute...
[21:34:31] Juski: hda3 is full.. root is full!
[21:34:43] Juski: bingo
[21:35:19] Anduin: Juski: always full of doubt you are
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[21:36:10] Juski: Anduin: I only checked the partition where my recordings are
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[21:37:01] Anduin: radi0head: You need to repair your tables
[21:37:15] radi0head: Anduin; I'm a complete newb with mysql.
[21:37:27] ** Juski blushes profusely **
[21:37:45] Juski: radi0head: stop mythbackend and run mysqlcheck mythconverg
[21:37:54] Anduin: radi0head: in contrib there is an optimize_mythdb.pl that should do it
[21:38:18] Anduin: or just what Juski said
[21:38:36] ** Juski makes a note to never let / fill up again **
[21:39:30] Juski: right I need some JD
[21:40:07] radi0head: Juski; Hehe, yeah I got the same thing mate, everything was functioning so weird, konsole couldn't have history, aMSN crashing, mythweb, etc... :D
[21:40:17] radi0head: Juski; Anduin; Thanks.
[21:41:15] scopeuk: hi Juski
[21:42:07] Juski: hey scopeuk
[21:43:00] Juski: just dawned on me the significance of the prospect of losing my mythtv... it was horrifying. I need some counselling for the trauma
[21:43:36] GreyFoxx: hehe
[21:44:08] scopeuk: its nothing compared to the traumer of losign tv al togeather
[21:44:15] Juski: ahh no.. s'ok... Jack's doing his job :)
[21:44:17] scopeuk: some of us are on to tighter budget for a tv license to seam resonable
[21:44:54] Juski: awww.. it's hardly a drop in the ocean to us here at chez Juski ya know ;)
[21:45:17] scopeuk: im sure its not
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[21:45:37] scopeuk: a tv license is 2 weeks food money
[21:45:56] GreyFoxx: how much does that cost ?
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[21:46:05] GreyFoxx: I'vealways been curious about that
[21:46:11] Juski: yeah well, this trip to London is setting me back 2 weeks' food money
[21:46:23] Juski:
[21:46:35] GreyFoxx: for a year ?
[21:46:39] Juski: aye
[21:46:42] scopeuk: yeh
[21:46:43] Juski: tv tax
[21:46:49] scopeuk: sounds alright but thats two channel on analog
[21:47:21] Juski: and folks who subscribe to TV still need to buy a licence
[21:47:26] scopeuk: yep
[21:47:38] fer2: Juski: ; GreyFoxx: scopeuk: hello
[21:47:40] scopeuk: whichtakes the p
[21:47:41] Juski:
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[21:47:51] Juski: hey fer2
[21:48:00] fer2: Juski: did you manage to get that bios?
[21:48:27] scopeuk: fer2 hi
[21:48:50] fer2: scopeuk: so.. did you get a msntv afterall?
[21:49:03] Juski: fer2: no – been busy moving workplace & all kinds of stuff. too tired to do much & I just had a big scare due to my root partition being full
[21:49:16] fer2: GreyFoxx: what's up? you were working on pal output on the msntv, right? how did it come out?
[21:49:42] fer2: Juski: that's ok.. my s100 should arrive in a few days... fingers crossed...
[21:50:05] scopeuk: fer2 no
[21:50:11] scopeuk: gave up rearly though id save the pennies i had for uni
[21:50:17] Juski: fer2: I thought you ordered that ages ago!
[21:50:22] GreyFoxx: fer2: I haven't touched any of that all summer. I've been enjoying the good weather with my daughter rather than starting at a screen :)
[21:50:25] fer2: scopeuk: try the s100.. it's cheaper.. and seems better...
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[21:50:34] scopeuk: probably right
[21:50:37] fer2: GreyFoxx: good... :) me too...
[21:50:47] scopeuk: althoguh mroe than likely its a violation of my netowkr a=cces rights to use oen of the dman things
[21:50:59] scopeuk: god ive been here two days lost track of how many rrules ive broken oh well
[21:51:01] fer2: GreyFoxx: since I fried my msntv bios I haven't lost much time with it...
[21:51:01] GreyFoxx: I started rebuilding my image for my msntv's todaythough. And gonna try the new IEGD driver
[21:51:14] scopeuk: GL
[21:51:35] Juski: GreyFoxx: this new IEGD stuff.. is that good for xorg 6.9 + ?
[21:51:55] fer2: GreyFoxx: your implementation of PAL was with the Iegd driver right? (not with the bios?)
[21:52:01] GreyFoxx: Juski: I'll check
[21:52:24] Juski: cheers :)
[21:52:27] GreyFoxx: fer2: My stuff talks directly to the hardware
[21:52:50] Juski: yeh no need to beat around the bush.. squirt into the registers! ;-)
[21:53:00] GreyFoxx: yup
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[21:53:05] antiProzac: when I press pause there is about a 1 second delay before mythtv delays. What could speed this up?
[21:53:27] Juski: antiProzac: maybe tuning your remote config file
[21:53:32] antiProzac: my wife abd toddler end up pressing it 3 or 4 times
[21:54:37] Juski: oh noes! not the wife remote button jabbing technique.. guaranteed to cause any system grief
[21:54:40] GreyFoxx: Juski: 6.9 is not specifically in there
[21:55:30] Juski: GreyFoxx: not to worry. no plans to upgrade it anyway... was just curious. I think I'll dump zenslack & try rolling my own again, this time with fancy init replacements or summat
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[22:06:45] Juski: anyway g'night all
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[22:19:53] nero: Beirdo, you around man?
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[22:22:41] bRuZdEGO: hello and good morning
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[22:24:10] jams: hey nero
[22:24:11] bRuZdEGO: question, I owuld like to configure some of the jump points for my remote.
[22:24:21] nero: hia jams! :)
[22:24:33] ** nero just defended his PhD dissertation yesterday!! woohoo! :) **
[22:24:40] bRuZdEGO: the keybindings page s ays "You probably want to use function keys or keys combined with a modifier (alt, control) for JumpPoints, otherwise you may run into some problems."
[22:24:42] jams: sweet
[22:24:55] jams: thought that was a few months away still
[22:25:03] bRuZdEGO: I find this to be wise advice, but what I do not know how to implement is how do I format that? do I just put in ctrl+p for exmple
[22:25:05] bRuZdEGO: whats the syntax?
[22:25:33] nero: jams, nope.. :) all done now!
[22:25:52] jams: time to relax!
[22:26:11] nero: no kidding.. I am completely wiped out!
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[22:41:46] RyeBrye: How hard is it to set up a dual boot system with KnoopMyth and Wiindows XP?
[22:42:04] |Torg|: extremly easy
[22:43:14] RyeBrye: I wasn't planning on it – but having a Windows tower is good when I want to flash my dvd drives... etc and the box I'm going to use for my backend is the only tower I could probably use to do it in my house
[22:43:49] |Torg|: how many systems do you have?
[22:44:16] RyeBrye: I have two macs, 1 dell laptop, and 1 Dell tower recently acquired to become a myth backend
[22:44:25] RyeBrye: 1 mac is a laptop, 1 is a tower
[22:44:43] |Torg|: youll need a fairly large drive to hold the recodrings
[22:44:52] RyeBrye: the tower isn't an Intel one, and it's not possible for flash my Pioneer DVR-111D on it...
[22:45:06] |Torg|: othr then that you need about 5G for myth and the OS
[22:45:07] RyeBrye: How large is large? I'm planning on using 160gb for starters and encoding them MPEG-2
[22:45:15] |Torg|: other then that read up on installing dual boot
[22:45:22] RyeBrye: Yeah, I'll do that
[22:45:34] |Torg|: what will be your input source?
[22:45:53] RyeBrye: I'm planning to get a Hauppauge PVR-500 and using a cable signal
[22:46:05] kormoc: just a fyi
[22:46:07] kormoc: 138 programs, using 161 GB (4 days 9 hrs 22 mins) out of 164 GB (2.6 GB free).
[22:46:21] RyeBrye: MPEG-2 encoded?
[22:46:36] kormoc: aye, default mpeg-2 from a m179 (pvr 250)
[22:46:40] RyeBrye: Cool
[22:47:17] |Torg|: I have 7 programs, in 54,756 MB
[22:47:20] Taskinen: 103 programs, using 95 GB (2 days 13 hrs 15 mins) out of 114 GB (19 GB free).
[22:47:38] RyeBrye: The tower is a P4 2.4 GHz Dell Optiplex GX260
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[22:47:52] |Torg|: that is way overpowered for a backend
[22:48:01] RyeBrye: I got it for $150 surplus from my work
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[22:48:16] kormoc: just make sure it has a good bit of ram, and it'll be happy
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[22:48:41] kormoc: |Torg|, depends on what you do on the backend. For nuvexport/mythtranscoding, it's a tad slow
[22:49:10] |Torg|: I use mine to capture to air2pc cards, unless its commflagging that cpu hardly ever budges
[22:49:18] RyeBrye: Hmm
[22:49:25] |Torg|: other then that I dont transcode any so I havnt tryed
[22:49:36] kormoc: it takes around 4 hours to export a mpeg-2 to xvid on my 2.4 ghz p4
[22:49:42] kormoc: a 30 minute mpeg-2
[22:50:05] RyeBrye: wow
[22:50:13] Taskinen: is nuvexport still The tool for xvid exporting from mythtv?
[22:50:18] kormoc: aye
[22:50:18] RyeBrye: that's pegging the CPU near 100% ?
[22:50:22] |Torg|: oh and kormoc it was that I compiled it with p4 extensions, once I redid the compile and libs it ran fine
[22:50:27] kormoc: RyeBrye, aye
[22:50:41] RyeBrye: Hmm
[22:50:43] Kelerion: okies...do we have a known bug with mythtv-setup on current svn? brand new fresh install.. nothing at all done yet... and it's freezing (not crashing).. just stopping at: "QFont::setPointSize: Point size <= 0 (0)"
[22:51:19] |Torg|: no I just recompiled from current and its fine
[22:51:49] radi0head: Hmm... weird, I'm logged in as the mysql user and I can't run "mysqlcheck mythconverg" ie: mysqlcheck: Got error: 1044: Access denied for user ''@'localhost' to database 'mythconverg' when selecting the database
[22:52:13] kormoc: radi0head, log in as user root?
[22:52:18] RyeBrye: sudo
[22:52:34] RyeBrye: http://xkcd.com/c149.html
[22:52:46] kormoc: radi0head, log into mysql as user root
[22:52:54] radi0head: kormoc; I just did.
[22:52:54] kormoc: mysqlcheck -u root -p mythconverg
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[22:53:14] kormoc: radi0head, from the line you pasted, it uses user ''
[22:53:22] radi0head: mysqlcheck: Got error: 1045: Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES) when trying to connect
[22:53:36] kormoc: hrm
[22:53:43] kormoc: sure the password is correct?
[22:53:56] |Torg|: the password is wrong
[22:53:58] radi0head: kormoc; It doesn't say "wrong password" or something.
[22:54:05] radi0head: So I must assume that it is correct.
[22:54:10] |Torg|: no its wrong
[22:54:23] kormoc: potentially it's wrong
[22:54:33] |Torg|: that implictly means you tired to connect as a user "root" and supplied it with an incorrect password
[22:54:33] radi0head: GOT IT!
[22:54:40] radi0head: Thanks a lot guys!
[22:54:42] |Torg|: (using password: YES)
[22:55:03] kormoc: |Torg|, not always, it could be that user root doesn't have permissions to that database or to that host, but still valid password
[22:55:27] kormoc: using password: yes only means that a password was supplied, not that it was right or wrong.
[22:55:31] |Torg|: root should have admin rights to the whoel database anyway
[22:55:39] kormoc: depends on the distro
[22:55:50] RyeBrye: In looking over the dell tower that will become my backend, I noticed it has onboard S-Video out... If I decide to make it a backend/frontend would this video output work?
[22:55:54] kormoc: some don't even ship with root as a mysql user
[22:56:08] |Torg|: hmm I dont use a distro, so I guess they could screw it up some how
[22:56:23] kormoc: RyeBrye, how can we know until you know the chipset and all that?
[22:56:27] |Torg|: or more exaclty I configure the datbase by hand from debian
[22:56:28] radi0head: kormoc; You're using slackware right?
[22:56:38] kormoc: |Torg|, then you should know that by default, mysql doesn't ship with user root at all.
[22:56:46] RyeBrye: kormoc: Good point
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[22:56:55] kormoc: radi0head, nope, I use gentoo, but I've used slack before
[22:56:56] ** RyeBrye will go home and play with it... **
[22:56:59] radi0head: kormoc; Oh, I must've mistaken you for another guy.
[22:57:13] kormoc: GreyFoxx perhaps?
[22:57:19] radi0head: Not sure.
[22:57:25] GreyFoxx: I do use Slackware yes
[22:57:28] |Torg|: I know I set up up that way, its best practice. So I couldnt figure out why anyone would ship it any other way
[22:57:54] krisp_: greyfoxx is there a similar hack to the USE_ATI_PROPRITARY_DRIVER_HACK define in 0.19
[22:57:58] kormoc: |Torg|, actually, it's largely recommended to not do that way, as if someone is attempting to crack it, if they know the user name, it's a lot easier
[22:58:14] GreyFoxx: krisp_: Not that I'm aware of.
[22:58:30] GreyFoxx: All of the code changes that led to thatdefine came in in pre0.20 svn
[22:58:33] |Torg|: if they are in my firewall, past my dmz, and into my private lan I have other things to worry about then simply my tv listings, but ok :)
[22:58:46] krisp_: no matter, i cant get hdtv working in 0.19 either, but at least it gets signal on some stations in 0.19
[22:58:59] krisp_: in 0.20 i just get invalid argument errors from pcHDTV::GetSignal
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[22:59:28] GreyFoxx: That define would have nothing to do with that
[22:59:32] krisp_: i know
[22:59:34] GreyFoxx: that hack is for xvideo playback :)
[22:59:35] GreyFoxx: ok
[22:59:44] krisp_: but i had blue people in 0.19
[22:59:48] GreyFoxx: ahhh
[22:59:58] krisp_: and hue control in xv or myth wasnt cutting it
[23:00:03] RyeBrye: Are there any good controllers to use with the Myth mame emulator?
[23:00:16] radi0head: Anduin; After running "mysqlcheck -u root -p mythconverg" I am still getting the same error: http://pastebin.ca/177974
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[23:01:08] krisp_: looks like your table is marked as crashed and should be repaired
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[23:01:29] radi0head: krisp_; I just did: "mysqlcheck -u root -p mythconverg" which juski and Anduin told me that it would fix it.
[23:01:31] Anduin: radi0head: -r
[23:01:38] radi0head: Anduin; ahhhhh
[23:01:50] krisp_: ya dont forget the -r (for repair)
[23:01:51] ** hjohnson ponders what to use as an HTPC case for a mini-itx machine **
[23:01:59] ** radi0head is so stupid. **
[23:02:25] krisp_: hjohnson depends what you want to spend
[23:02:43] krisp_: can get a real nice silverstone mini-itx case but will run you like $150
[23:04:04] radi0head: krisp_; Anduin; kormoc; Thanks a lot for your help.
[23:04:12] ** RyeBrye is off to go install myth on his rear end...er... backend **
[23:04:19] ** radi0head can't live without his mythweb **
[23:04:37] kormoc: you're welcome
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[23:05:43] hjohnson: krisp_: heh
[23:05:55] hjohnson: I just spent $220 on my server case.. I'm not affraid of spending decent money for a good case
[23:06:15] radi0head: What kind of small horizontal case would you guys recommend me to build a nice slick mythbackend (and maybe frontend too)
[23:06:16] hjohnson: though I have a couple of mildly odd requirements perhaps..
[23:06:39] krisp_: can put it into a 5-pack of cdr's too
[23:06:50] radi0head: I was thinking of maybe buying a miniatx board.
[23:06:54] hjohnson: I'd rahter not just hack it.
[23:07:05] hjohnson: I'm an engineer, but don't feel like hacking hta tkind of stuff. :P
[23:07:12] hjohnson: oh crap, I need to tell amex that my address is changing.
[23:07:55] krisp_: protocase sells little mountable miniitx cases
[23:09:07] krisp_: http://www.mini-itx.com/store/?c=3
[23:09:12] krisp_: decent list of cases
[23:10:00] |Torg|: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . 0&Go.y=0
[23:10:28] krisp_: which mini-itx board do you have?
[23:10:34] radi0head: krisp_; |Torg|; Thanks!
[23:10:47] krisp_: mitx would make a pretty nice headless frontend
[23:10:57] krisp_: not headless, thin
[23:12:43] radi0head: What if my frontend is close to my TV, and my backend is in another room, and I want to use a IR remote, is it possible to plug it in my frontend instead of my backend ?
[23:12:57] krisp_: ya the remote is for the frontend not the backend
[23:13:30] krisp_: you just map buttons on the remote to keyboard keys which are in turn mapped to frontend functions like changing channels and such
[23:13:44] radi0head: argh, but, the IR output is located on my PVR-150 which is in my backend.
[23:14:00] krisp_: well, that's not going to do you much good
[23:14:03] radi0head: I'm a bit lost here
[23:14:04] krisp_: however!
[23:14:16] krisp_: for about 20 bucks you can get a serial ir receiver
[23:14:38] krisp_: i forget which on i have but i like it much
[23:14:44] radi0head: nice!
[23:14:46] krisp_: you can build one too
[23:14:53] radi0head: Yeah I heard.
[23:15:10] krisp_: letme go check which mine is
[23:15:18] radi0head: k
[23:15:48] krisp_: http://home-electro.com/ira3.php?osCsid=9706d . . . d76bf238f9d0
[23:15:50] krisp_: thats the one i have
[23:16:11] radi0head: What would you guys recommend for a frontend ? mini-itx or micro-atx?
[23:16:18] krisp_: its 21.52
[23:16:19] radi0head: I don't know much about mini-itx
[23:16:36] krisp_: which ever has all the features you need
[23:16:37] kormoc: I run mini-atx
[23:16:42] radi0head: kormoc; k
[23:16:43] kormoc: but really, they're all computers
[23:16:48] krisp_: which would be lan, really
[23:17:03] krisp_: but if you have a serial ir receiver you also need a serial port, obivously
[23:17:24] krisp_: if i was getting mini-itx i'd probably buy a pentium m board
[23:18:11] radi0head: So I could use my remote with my backend with the IR receiver which I got from the PVR-150, and also use the same remote with the serial ir receiver on my frontend right?
[23:18:33] krisp_: ya
[23:18:38] radi0head: w00t
[23:18:51] radi0head: I was thinking about getting a RF remote
[23:18:53] krisp_: probably have to program it twice on each
[23:18:57] krisp_: rather
[23:18:59] radi0head: ah no problem
[23:18:59] krisp_: once on eaach
[23:19:17] krisp_: i have an rf remote i dont like it much
[23:19:22] krisp_: got the firefly when i bought beyondtv
[23:19:45] krisp_: though i'd use it if i had a second frontend im sure
[23:20:09] krisp_: i still havnt switched over to myth from beyondtv because i havnt gotten qam hdtv working
[23:20:16] krisp_: funny thing is it works fine in mplayer
[23:20:19] radi0head: That's the one I was thinking about buying on ebay!
[23:20:56] krisp_: you can get micro atx vs mini-itx
[23:20:59] krisp_: and save like $100
[23:21:00] krisp_: heh
[23:21:08] krisp_: but you will need a bigger case
[23:21:16] radi0head: micro atx vs mini-itx ?
[23:21:25] krisp_: ya
[23:21:48] krisp_: microatx is just a smaller atx board, usually has 2 or 3 pci slots and an agp/pciex16 slot
[23:21:57] radi0head: Yeah, that I know
[23:22:06] krisp_: mini-itx will be tiny tho
[23:22:10] radi0head: hehe
[23:22:13] krisp_: and low power
[23:22:27] krisp_: depends how much cpu power you need i guess
[23:22:49] krisp_: best you can do in mini-itx is about 1.6ghz on a pentium m, or less on the other arch
[23:23:01] radi0head: I think i'll go wit ha mini-atx
[23:23:08] radi0head: I mean a micro-atx
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[23:23:34] krisp_: can do micro-btx
[23:23:38] word: i get that ^ when trying to run mythfrontend
[23:23:41] krisp_: which is small like mini-itx i guess
[23:23:49] word: what exactly does it mean for the user and pass? :-/
[23:23:51] radi0head: krisp_; Bah
[23:24:03] krisp_: micro btx can do core 2 duo
[23:24:04] krisp_: heh
[23:24:12] krisp_: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813121021
[23:24:20] radi0head: YESSSS
[23:24:25] radi0head: hehe let me check
[23:24:31] |Torg|: iword: it means you have setup myth to use a SIP phona account but failed to give it a username and password
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[23:24:45] krisp_: at least it should be able to do core 2 duo its 1066mhz fsb on that board and lga775
[23:24:54] krisp_: ya 945g chipset can do core2duo
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[23:24:59] radi0head: Bah intel chipset
[23:25:09] krisp_: ya its an intel board
[23:25:17] krisp_: pretty sure intel is the only one who adopted minibtx
[23:25:24] radi0head: Oh yeah?
[23:25:57] krisp_: looks like you can do socket 754 athlon xp's in mini-itx
[23:26:01] krisp_: but the board is $314
[23:26:08] krisp_: athlon 64s rather
[23:26:10] word: |Torg|: SIP? is that for channel listings?
[23:26:16] radi0head: Some LGA775 boards don't support core 2 duo though, are you sure this one supports it?
[23:26:21] |Torg|: no SIP is for voice over ip
[23:26:27] krisp_: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813170012
[23:26:35] krisp_: thats a sweet little board but way expensive
[23:27:13] krisp_: no spdif out either
[23:27:13] radi0head: krisp_; I don't really trust albatron, and DAMN! that's what I call costy!
[23:27:26] krisp_: i dont know if any mitx boards have spdif coaxial or optical
[23:27:28] |Torg|: word: you have a module for myth called mythphone, its in your settings. Go turn off the module
[23:27:33] krisp_: that'd be a show stopper for me
[23:27:37] krisp_: i know that microatx boards do
[23:27:38] radi0head: krisp_; mini-itx is sooooo small :D
[23:28:08] krisp_: that microbtx board has optical spdif
[23:28:12] krisp_: that'd be a winner in my book
[23:29:02] krisp_: i imagine the intel 950 video would be good enough
[23:29:22] radi0head: Hmm, that's what turning me off
[23:29:32] |Torg|: http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWeb/Products/Product . . . &LanID=9
[23:29:35] krisp_: all its doing is playing video
[23:29:36] radi0head: I can spell!
[23:29:47] krisp_: an old geforce3 is powerful enough to do that
[23:29:56] krisp_: im sure a new intel graphics accelerator is up to the task
[23:30:01] radi0head: |Torg|; ECS? are you kidding me?
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[23:30:04] word: |Torg|: how do i turn it off without being able to start mythfrontend? :-/
[23:30:36] |Torg|: well its not whats crashing your frontend, but you could go into the database and do it by ahnd
[23:31:06] krisp_: the microbtx cases on newegg are pretty crappy tho
[23:31:14] krisp_: ugly anyway
[23:31:17] radi0head: krisp_; I can't buy from newegg anyways.
[23:31:28] krisp_: oh you're missing out
[23:31:32] krisp_: they dont ship to canada?
[23:31:35] radi0head: nope
[23:31:41] radi0head: AFAIK
[23:31:59] krisp_: they use ups or fedex
[23:32:10] krisp_: seems like they would ship anywhere
[23:32:47] Paladine: hey there radi0head
[23:33:14] kormoc: why? international shipping takes a lot of man power to handle compared to non-international shipping
[23:33:27] krisp_: brown does that for you
[23:33:35] krisp_: what can brown do for you?
[23:33:38] krisp_: don't you watch tv
[23:33:42] radi0head: And it would not be duty free, unlike some items you get from let's say ebay where some nice guys drop the price and put it as a gift.
[23:33:44] |Torg|: sure it does, I just change the lable and had it to the FedEx guy
[23:33:53] kormoc: brown won't fill out custom's reports and all that jazz
[23:33:54] radi0head: Paladine; Hi!
[23:34:12] kormoc: and brown isn't responsible for things if they are filled out wrong
[23:34:13] Paladine: was just planning on installing tovid tonight when the missus goes to bed
[23:34:14] krisp_: ya you'd pay out the ass for customs cause they probably wont ship it all gift
[23:34:20] radi0head: Paladine; Nice!
[23:34:33] radi0head: Paladine; Ubuntu iirc right?
[23:34:43] Paladine: I even have the Ubuntu page open on the wiki ready for it
[23:34:57] radi0head: Paladine; http://tovid.wikia.com/wiki/Installing_tovid/Ubuntu
[23:34:59] radi0head: This one?
[23:35:08] Paladine: yup
[23:35:43] radi0head: Paladine; I made those instructions, slackbuilds, packages, etc..: http://tovid.wikia.com/wiki/Installing_tovid/Slackware
[23:36:02] Paladine: aye you said the other day
[23:36:06] radi0head: d'oh
[23:36:16] Paladine: I was busy playing with mythgallery and mythmusic yesterday
[23:36:32] Paladine: then rebuilding gallery2 for the 10 months worth of baby pics I had not uploaded lol
[23:36:42] radi0head: hehe
[23:36:57] radi0head: krisp_; I will need to talk with you when I'll buy some hardware.
[23:37:07] Paladine: reminded me why I declined to install freebsd at home
[23:37:10] krisp_: perhaps ill still be around
[23:37:24] radi0head: krisp_; Are you idling here often?
[23:37:31] krisp_: just last few days
[23:37:31] radi0head: Paladine; :)
[23:37:32] Paladine: installing imagemagick from ports last night was a monumental event
[23:37:33] |Torg|: ok I had to look ip up to be sure, but there is no duty on computer parts from the US to Canada
[23:37:39] Paladine: took nearly an hour
[23:37:40] krisp_: i hang out on efnet all the time tho as krisp
[23:37:48] radi0head: krisp_; Is there a way I can reach you?
[23:37:50] Paladine: and installed about 30% of the entire ports tree to do it lol
[23:37:52] |Torg|: for complete systems, there are. But not for parts
[23:37:58] krisp_: efnet
[23:38:13] radi0head: krisp_; I'm on efnet #ngc-iso
[23:38:22] radi0head: Same nick
[23:38:32] krisp_: i hang out in #nuke and #rit mostly
[23:38:36] radi0head: k
[23:38:48] radi0head: Same nick?
[23:38:53] krisp_: no underscore
[23:39:15] krisp_: but ill be here for a while probably
[23:39:22] krisp_: seeing as i cant get my qam hdtv working
[23:39:44] radi0head: heh
[23:39:57] radi0head: Paladine; That must've taken you a long time :D
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[23:40:05] Paladine: nightmare I tell you
[23:40:11] radi0head: hahahha
[23:40:21] Paladine: next time I decide to install imagemagick on fbsd I am building from freakin source
[23:41:03] Paladine: the dependencies setup for the ports build are just ridiculous
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[23:41:24] Paladine: 99.9% of them are completely unneeded
[23:43:06] hjohnson: yeah, debian has a fairly large set of depends too.
[23:43:18] hjohnson: hmm.. there's no myth .debs
[23:43:29] krisp_: there are
[23:43:29] Paladine: well bearin mind my fbsd box is headless
[23:43:32] radi0head: Paladine; Msg me if you have problems or need some advices about how to build/user tovid, I have play with some mythtv settings and upgrade to 0.20 too, take care. Thanks for your help krisp_, I'll talk to you later! buhbye
[23:43:42] krisp_: they arent on the normal sources list tho
[23:43:48] Paladine: k radi0head
[23:43:49] hjohnson: krisp_: at least not in the debian/amd64 port
[23:44:21] krisp_: check the wiki for the proper sources and then do a build-dep on mythtv
[23:44:24] krisp_: then build from source
[23:44:29] krisp_: the builddep will install everything you need
[23:44:42] hjohnson: krisp_: oh, I know.. I just need the tuner card first. :P
[23:44:50] radi0head: s/user/use s/I have play/I have to play (wow nice engrish :D)
[23:45:30] krisp_: so who here has gotten qam hdtv working
[23:45:32] Paladine: just installed all the deps for tovid about to grab the .deb
[23:45:42] Paladine: if sourceforge wakes up
[23:45:57] hjohnson: hmm.
[23:46:05] hjohnson: can winmyth work with vlc
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[23:48:43] krisp_: work with how?
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[23:50:54] Fnc: Anyone know anything about the HDHomeRun?
[23:51:05] radi0head: krisp_; Hmm, I'm starting to think about using the computer that i'm going to build as a backend/frontend, would that be a wise choice? all in one with a PVR-150, so I can bring this box anywhere where there is cable at my friend's house etc...
[23:51:30] krisp_: i use backend/frontend on same box
[23:51:50] krisp_: shouldnt make much difference
[23:51:57] radi0head: krisp_; Maybe a micro-btx/atx using a core 2 duo (E6600)
[23:52:10] krisp_: that'd be pretty good
[23:52:26] radi0head: krisp_; Over clocked to 3.4ghz hehe
[23:52:37] radi0head: overclocked*
[23:52:47] radi0head: That would destroy as a mythbox
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[23:55:04] Paladine: radi0head, whats the easiest way to split an mpeg in linux?
[23:55:10] Paladine: I have one mpeg with 2 episodes in it
[23:55:23] radi0head: Paladine; For avis I would use avisplit
[23:55:31] Paladine: mpeg2
[23:55:40] radi0head: Paladine; But for mpeg hmm, avidemux2 ? maybe
[23:55:49] radi0head: I can't really remember
[23:56:53] radi0head: http://mpgtx.sourceforge.net maybe?
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[23:57:21] krisp_: ya but you wouldnt be able to cool it in a microbtx case probably
[23:57:51] radi0head: krisp_; I agree, I might take a cheaper one with 2MB cache instead.
[23:58:00] radi0head: Maybe the E6300 or something
[23:58:02] krisp_: ya
[23:58:06] krisp_: would be plenty fast
[23:58:48] radi0head: The problem is just the video card.
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[23:59:15] radi0head: A geforce 2 mx would work perfectly, but a intel integrated? hmm
[23:59:33] Paladine: radi0head, is it safe to change the "filename" in the menu tree for videos or does it have to be the same as the input filename?
[23:59:44] robbins876: I just rebooted and now it looks like my soundcard isn't being detected. Also, it won't load ksirc.
[23:59:45] Paladine: cos mythtv names files with a timestamp
[23:59:47] robbins876: any ideas?
[23:59:50] radi0head: Paladine; Oh you're using the gui? use the CLI
[23:59:59] Paladine: am using the GUI

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