Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, September 10th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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Kelerion:

I bought a bluetooth adapter today for my mobile... I should be able to get it to work with linux, right? I want it to work with skype ultimately

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Aid1:

dev: it appears i dont have xvmc installed?

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coldstea1:

Kelerion: i have bluetooth working with slackware

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Aid1:

or atleast xine doesn't recognize it

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Kelerion:

I have it working for transfering files ok

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Kelerion:

just not sure how to use it as a mic/speaker... will have to look into it to see if it's even possible

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coldstea1:

its possable my friend does it

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niktaris_lap:

anybody knows why mythweather fails to retrieve data ?

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** Juski DOES remember Bagpuss.. helped by a VHS a sister bought a few Xmasses ago :) **

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Kelerion:

I also bought a new digital camera... plugged it into usb... switched on PTP mode.. ubuntu popped up and said it had found a camera.. "do you want to update the pictures" or something... was gobsmacked.... *really* impressive

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Juski:

yeh but try using ffmpeg to convert an mpeg to xvid out of the box

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Kelerion:

the camera does mpeg video by default

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Aid1:

do i have to recompile mythtv to be able to use xvmc support

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Juski:

Aid1: if you didn't compile it with xvmc support, yes

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Aid1:

okey dokey

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Kelerion:

ffmpeg doesn't do xvid by default does it? gotta add a switch to the ./configure or something?

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hjohnson:

hmm.. I wonder about using a core duo mac mini as a front-end... :)

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Aid1:

then if i rebuild it can i just do a make install and it'll replace the version that doesn't have xvmc support automatically?

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Kelerion:

Aid1, correct.. it's replace it

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Kelerion:

it'll

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Aid1:

okay... im still rather new to the linux scene

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Kelerion:

Aid1, I know nothing about xvmc either... do you have to do something with xorg.conf?

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Aid1:

good question

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Aid1:

when i compile mythtv, and then do a ./configure with diff optinos does it have to recompile EVERYTHING again, or does it just recompile the things it changes?

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Juski:

Kelerion: basically when ffmpeg comes out of ubuntu you need to compile it yourself to enable everything useful IIRC

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Kelerion:

ahh ok... not used it much since I was messing with the cctv stuff

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Kelerion:

B&B looks good btw... very cheap for london

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e4:

hm... rebooting on simply using watch tv?

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dev:

thats not right

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Kelerion:

nope... psu... cpu..or memory problem there it sounds like

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Juski:

Kelerion: I'll book it in the morrow when I'm a bit more withit

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Kelerion:

kk..need any cash now/tomrrow? or sort it out when I get down there?

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e4:

I've stress tested the memory hardcore, doubt it's the cpu either, heh

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e4:

I'm guessing that it's somewhere after the ivtv drivers as I think those are working correctly

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Kelerion:

e4, its not getting overheated is it?

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e4:

my video card or the tuner?

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Kelerion:

tuner

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Kelerion:

erm

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Kelerion:

cpu

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e4:

it's a Duron 750, heh

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Kelerion:

ah

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coldsteal:

mchou: u there

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Ryushin:

Okay, this is very odd. I added another IVTV tuner to my box, a PVR-150. I already had a PVR-350 and a HD-3000 card. It seems that about every 1 in five shows, on the IVTV card, they are recorded without any volume.

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Ryushin:

In fact, I have one happening right now. I have about 30 minutes to find the culprit.

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e4:

if I'm using the Livna drivers should my video driver be simply Nvidia-vendor supplied driver?

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Ryushin:

I've check the ivtvctrl program to make sure the ivtv card has volume.

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Ryushin:

Any ideas and what I might check to find the culprit?

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e4:

whoops, wrong channel :P

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coldsteal:

mchou: u there

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Kelerion:

kk guys,, heading to bed... got plasterers here 7:15am... cya'll later :)

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Ryushin:

I'm leaning towards it being a driver issue at this point.

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Anduin:

Ryushin: You are certain some recording on the 150 have sound?

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Anduin:

s

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hjohnson:

*sigh*

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Ryushin:

Anduin: yea, if I go to watch live TV, it's using the second tuner, the 150, and it has sound.

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Ryushin:

Right now, the 350 doesn't have any sound.

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Ryushin:

I only have 15 minutes left before this show finishes. I'm going through ivtv dev list right now to try and find out of anyone else is having this issue.

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Ryushin:

The IVTV card should be dumping audio to the recording regardless of my sound card settings.

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Ryushin:

So that is why I'm leading towards it being a ivtv issue.

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Ryushin:

And the weird thing is, that when this recording finishes. The next time the tuner is activiated, sound will most likely be there.

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degreseven:

i'm using alsa & not sure what to put under 'audio device' in capture card setup. can anyone help me?

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Ryushin:

It's probably /dev/adsp or ALSA:DEFAULT

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degreseven:

i dont have a /dev/adsp, and when i use ALSA:default, i get no sound when watching tv

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Ryushin:

Have you run alsaconf yet?

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degreseven:

no, i did everything manually

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degreseven:

sound works great with videos & music

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degreseven:

just doesnt work with tv

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Ryushin:

What does "ls /dev/*dsp*" show you?

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degreseven:

no such file or dir

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Ryushin:

Try load the alsa oss compatiblity modules. You should then get a entry for /dev/dsp.

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Ryushin:

Are you using static dev or udev?

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degreseven:

udev

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defaultro:

hey folks, heard from my friend that .20 will be out this weekend. Is it true?

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degreseven:

do i need to use oss emulation, or cant i just use alsa?

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Ryushin:

You should be able to use alsa. But we are going to get first things first.

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Ryushin:

But you should have a /dev/adsp though with alsa.

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Ryushin:

What does alsamixer show you?

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Ryushin:

degreseven: Oh wait, are you using KDE?

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degreseven:

no, fluxbox

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degreseven:

i just ran alsaconf, and now alsamixer wont start: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device

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Ryushin:

Drop out of X and try it again.

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Ryushin:

Which distro are you using?

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degreseven:

gentoo, and still doesnt work out of X

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Ryushin:

defaulro: That's what the dev list has been saying. Though I'm using SVN so I'm always current since the last svn update.

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defaultro:

oh ok

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degreseven:

lemme reboot it

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Ryushin:

Unload the modules and load them again.

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degreseven:

Ryushin, oh, after reboot alsamixer will work

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degreseven:

Ryushin, all channels are unmuted except for Line

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Ryushin:

Is there a /dev/adsp there?

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degreseven:

no

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Ryushin:

Do an lsmod, is this module loaded: snd_seq_device

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degreseven:

yes

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Ryushin:

This are my sound modules: snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_via82xx,snd_via82xx_modem,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd _mixer_oss,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_pcm,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device,snd_timer

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Ryushin:

Are you using udev or static dev?

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degreseven:

udev

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e4:

anyone using an hauppauge 500mce card?

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Ryushin:

e4: No, but I'm using two other ivtv cards. What is the problem?

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e4:

well, it might not be the same, but did you use the atrpms ivtv drivers?

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Ryushin:

I use the ivtv source.

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degreseven:

i have snd_seq, snd_seq_device, snd_bt87x, snd_intel8x0, snd_ac97_codec, snd_ac97_bus, snd_pcm, snd_timer, snd, soundcore, snd_page_alloc

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e4:

when I attempt to use my tuners my system hard reboots, and I think I've narrowed it down to Pre-emptive Multitasking Warning as the problem

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e4:

that's what I needed to know, thanks ryushin :)

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Ryushin:

np.

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degreseven:

Ryushin, i dont have any of the *oss modules that you have, could that be it?

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Ryushin:

What is in /dev/snd?

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Ryushin:

I would at least try loading the modules.

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degreseven:

controlC0 pcmC0D0c pcmC0D1c pcmC0D3c pcmC1D0c seq

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degreseven:

controlC1 pcmC0D0p pcmC0D2c pcmC0D4p pcmC1D1c timer

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degreseven:

says modules snd_seq_oss not found

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Ryushin:

Those look good.

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Ryushin:

Well, at this point, I would compile those modules, and good missing adsp a bit.

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Ryushin:

Actually, it does look like it's part of the alsa oss modules.

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defaultro:

ok folks, I'm reading the new features in .20. It's cool that there is H.264 support. However, what sources will it be?

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Dagmar:

e4: Yes, several versions of ivtv *will* spontaneously reboot the machine when they are pre-empted

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e4:

awesome :)

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degreseven:

why cant i just use alsa & skip all the oss stuff?

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e4:

dagmar, if I pull according to http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Firmware are those the correct ones?

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Ryushin:

e4: yes

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Ryushin:

degreseven: I assume you went through the mythtv sound howto?

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Ryushin:

Does myth play back videos or music?

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degreseven:

yes, everything except tv

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e4:

ryushin, okay, I've copied the firmware drivers to my /lib/firmware and my /usr/hotplug/firmware directories, (overwrote the old firmware files) how do I load them?

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degreseven:

and i didnt see anything about what to put in mythtv-setup, only in the frontend options

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Ryushin:

e4: You can unload and load your ivtv modules, or just reboot.

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Ryushin:

Yea, the frontend is the only place where you will set the sound settings.

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degreseven:

well there's the audio device field under capture cards in mythtv-setup

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degreseven:

where you set video device to /dev/v4l/video0, and VBI device to /dev/vbi0

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degreseven:

right under that is Audio device. mine is set to (None), and i dont know what to change it to. every time i try something it gets reset to (None)

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Ryushin:

What kind of encoding card are you using?

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degreseven:

its just a crappy hauppauge wintv-go

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degreseven:

no hw encoding

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Ryushin:

Oh, you probably have to plug a 1/8" phone plug from the line out on your card to the line in on your sound card.

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degreseven:

i did

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brtb:

this may be a very stupid question, but i've been staring at docs for the past hour... mythfrontend on a second box. you used to be able to set the remote database address in /usr/local/share/mythtv/mysql.txt... but that file no longer exists?

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e4:

heh it's still rebooting on me

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Ryushin:

degreseven: You told me that alsa mixer showed line in as muted.

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robbins876:

i wish i had alsa installed

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robbins876:

it looks too hard though

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robbins876:

i don't have the patience

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degreseven:

yeah, because it just plays the tv audio all the time when it is unmuted, even when mythtv is not running

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Ryushin:

It used to be a serious pain. But now with alsconf, it's cake.

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robbins876:

alsconf?

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robbins876:

got a guide link anywhere?

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Ryushin:

yea.

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robbins876:

sweet

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Ryushin:

Just run alsaconf.

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Anduin:

degreseven: look at the install howto

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Ryushin:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-7.html

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brtb:

aaand i just didn't let frontend run long enough to time out the local connection. nevermind.

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robbins876:

alsaconf can't be found

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Ryushin:

You need to install the alsa package.

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Ryushin:

What distro are you using?

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robbins876:

FC5

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robbins876:

only OSS works on my machien

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robbins876:

machine

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Ryushin:

Have you installed the alsa rpms?

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robbins876:

i believe so

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Ryushin:

rpm -qa | grep -i alsa

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degreseven:

Ryushin, i have done that already =/ still doesnt work

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robbins876:

yeah, i've got 4 alsa things intsalled... driver, kmdl, utils, and lib

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Ryushin:

Does FC have apt-file?

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robbins876:

i believe it uses yum

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Ryushin:

degreseven: Well, I'm out of ideas at this point. Does myth play music or videos?

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dansmith_:

is there a good source for seeing what actual shows are being broadcast in HD?

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Ryushin:

dansmith_: titantv

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degreseven:

Ryushin, yes, both

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** dansmith_ looks **

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Ryushin:

Oh, so myth sound is working fine then.

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Ryushin:

It's the tuner that is having issues.

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degreseven:

Ryushin, right, except for tv playback

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Ryushin:

And if you unmute line in, then sound plays right?

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degreseven:

right

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dansmith_:

Ryushin: hmm, that works great, but only shows me three channels.. perhaps only three have HD content in the next few hours

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dansmith_:

Ryushin: well, it's a start, thanks a lot

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Ryushin:

When myth records a show in the backgound, and you play it back later, does sound work?

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Ryushin:

dansmith_: Find PBS, and record HD from that.

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Ryushin:

HD is outstanding from PBS.

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degreseven:

Ryushin, i havent tried. want me to check?

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Ryushin:

Yea.

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dansmith_:

Ryushin: right, I've done that.. I want something interesting now ;P

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dansmith_:

Ryushin: yea, it looks great, indeed

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Ryushin:

They have some of the best HD shows, hands down.

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Ryushin:

Record Jeaq Cousteu's sons stuff. Blow your mind.

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Aid`:

Ryushin: pbs has movies./?

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Ryushin:

Gotta go.

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e4:

wow, has noone covered getting a pvr-500 actually working?

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GreyFoxx:

It shouldbe pretty much identical to setting up a 150

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e4:

I can't figure out how to get 'em working in Fedora, I keep getting hard crashes/reboots whenever I try to access the tuners

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GreyFoxx:

well,I can't comment on any FEdora specific stuff

[01:55:09]

Dagmar:

e4: We have. You're probably just ignoring what you're seeing on the Wiki

[01:55:19]

GreyFoxx:

You might try #ivtv-dev as well

[01:55:30]

e4:

http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php?

[01:55:42]

Dagmar:

Upgrade to the latest 2.6.x kernel and ivtv 0.7.0. Disable pre-emptive multitasking in your kernel. Use the firmware listed on the website.

[01:55:43]

opello:

i saw some talk the other day about prices on pvr-150s, anyone know where they got the best price?

[01:55:53]

Dagmar:

opello: www.pricewatch.com

[01:55:58]

opello:

heh :)

[01:56:12]

Dagmar:

...which is usually within a few bucks of NewEgg

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defaultro:

SlicerDicer, hey, you here? I need your firewire howto :D

[01:57:49]

e4:

yeah, managed to get that, the capture drivers is empty on the wiki site or else I would have used their instructions :)

[01:59:42]

Dagmar:

capture drivers?

[02:00:21]

e4:

yeah, the ivtv ones I think

[02:00:24]

e4:

hm..

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e4:

I've never messed around with kernel options before, is there a good guide that you know of upon how to do it safely?

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hjohnson:

hmm.. anyone know how stable ivtv is on AMD64?

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marc_:

I just installed mythfrontend on a PC with an intel i810 graphics.... everything works fine except for when I watch HD recordings... anyone have any ideas what would cause hd recording not to play and freeze?

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hjohnson:

marc_: stupid amounts of CPU power required to decode them?

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marc_:

its a 2.6ghz p4

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marc_:

I'm sure thats more then enough

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hjohnson:

actually it's barely enough

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hjohnson:

from what I understand at least

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marc_:

really? I'm thinking its something w/ the graphics configuration

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hjohnson:

could be that too

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hjohnson:

if it has to scale the image much or something like that

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e4:

where does myth place the log file?

[02:26:30]

Cromz:

hmm /var/log/mythtv I think

[02:26:50]

e4:

there is a mythtv, but it's empty

[02:29:26]

Cromz:

that dir writeable by the user of mythtv? I dont remember if I had to change the premissions on it or not :/ it's been awhile since I installed myth.

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Cromz:

mine has 3 files in /var/log/mythtv the mythbackend.log, a bz2 old copies and mythfilldatabase.log about 8 meg or so total.

[02:32:02]

e4:

yup, mine is empty

[02:32:14]

Cromz:

you might also have to enbale it in mythtv-setup for logging.

[02:32:15]

e4:

heh for a reason I think though

[02:32:42]

e4:

I'm getting about 5–10 seconds of video encoded and saved when I use my mythtv frontend, then my system reboots on me

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defaultro:

anyone here uses firewire to record?

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Cromz:

e4: your frontend on the same system as your backend?

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SlicerDicer-:

defaultro: you still here?

[02:39:11]

mchou:

defaultro: I think virtually everyone that subscribes to cable in the US uses firewire now

[02:39:13]

e4:

yeah, but I get the same result if I simply record the show without watching it at the same time

[02:40:10]

e4:

when I say crashes I mean the pc runs for about 5–10 seconds recording video and then the power is off, lol

[02:40:11]

defaultro:

mchou, I'm upset :(

[02:40:19]

defaultro:

mchou, I can only record local HD :(

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SlicerDicer-:

hello defaultro

[02:40:27]

defaultro:

hey

[02:40:28]

mchou:

defaultro: huh??

[02:40:30]

SlicerDicer-:

5C?

[02:40:35]

defaultro:

might be :(

[02:40:41]

mchou:

defaultro: that's the way it's supposed to work, lol

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SlicerDicer-:

defaultro: have you looked?

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defaultro:

I had an impression that i was doing the wrong thing. I changed to 187 which is a local HD. I was able to record it

[02:41:08]

defaultro:

have I look at what?

[02:41:18]

mchou:

defaultro: the service menu

[02:41:32]

defaultro:

doing it again

[02:41:35]

mchou:

tells you if 5C is active for that show

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defaultro:

i remember it was saying ENC on the channel

[02:41:47]

dansmith_:

what is 5C?

[02:41:53]

defaultro:

encryption scheme

[02:42:01]

mchou:

defaultro: well, that's too bad then

[02:42:04]

dansmith_:

ah, so that you can't get it over firewire?

[02:42:35]

SlicerDicer-:

defaultro: it would say 5C 0 or 1

[02:42:50]

SlicerDicer-:

defaultro: there is in one of those menus a thing that says 5C you will see it plain as day

[02:43:00]

defaultro:

FRICK, 5C implementation is 1

[02:43:14]

defaultro:

:( :( :(

[02:43:15]

SlicerDicer-:

:/

[02:43:16]

mchou:

defaultro: man, what are you whining about

[02:43:21]

defaultro:

lol

[02:43:37]

SlicerDicer-:

defaultro: in the words of ohh hell I dont know who it was "your fucked" :/

[02:43:39]

defaultro:

of course, I was hoping it was turned off similar to the seattle line

[02:43:39]

mchou:

you expect that shit to change just cause you MOVED??

[02:43:53]

mchou:

defaultro: ^^

[02:43:59]

defaultro:

nope

[02:44:05]

defaultro:

i exepected it;s the same

[02:44:16]

defaultro:

but i was really looking at the way I had the package

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mchou:

package?

[02:44:32]

defaultro:

i have a digital package now but before, I only had basic package

[02:44:40]

defaultro:

digital plus package/plan

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mchou:

defaultro: go back to basic. seriously

[02:45:17]

defaultro:

but i was wondering why my Fusion is not able to grab the local HD anymore

[02:45:24]

mchou:

as far as firewire is concerned if 5c is in your area then just get basic

[02:45:35]

defaultro:

then

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hjohnson:

defaultro: probably because your cable company is screwing you over.

[02:45:46]

hjohnson:

as per usual

[02:45:58]

mchou:

hjohnson: no, nobody is screwing anybody

[02:46:13]

defaultro:

it's a law john

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hjohnson:

mchou: they'r epreventing me from exercising my fair use rights.. they're screwing me.

[02:46:21]

defaultro:

nope

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hjohnson:

q.e.d.

[02:46:27]

dansmith_:

does the signal still go over firewire, but still encrypted? Could it be decoded on the linux side, if it were to be cracked?

[02:46:27]

mchou:

hjohnson: huh??

[02:46:27]

defaultro:

it's a law that it should be implemented

[02:46:35]

defaultro:

I was just hoping that it'd work

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SlicerDicer-:

interesting mchou

[02:46:43]

SlicerDicer-:

I just found something

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hjohnson:

mchou: by prohibiting me from recording stuff for my own personal use, they're in violation of fair use.

[02:46:54]

mchou:

hjohnson: fair use doesn't imply "digital" transfer

[02:47:05]

SlicerDicer-:

mchou: http://archive.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread . . . eadid=480772

[02:47:11]

mchou:

hjohnson: you can still use svideo

[02:47:19]

** SlicerDicer- notes 5C was on in 04 in seattle **

[02:47:21]

hjohnson:

mchou: it's arguable.

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SlicerDicer-:

mchou: I told you I thought it was

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SlicerDicer-:

now why is it not?

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hjohnson:

because you're losing information in the transform down to s-video

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mchou:

hjohnson: lol

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defaultro:

Slicer, yours still shows 0 in 5c?

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mchou:

like an analog film stock loses info when you go digital

[02:48:36]

mchou:

to dvd

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hjohnson:

mchou: not nessisarily, because often times the digital transfer is at a higher resolution then the effective film grain.

[02:49:06]

mchou:

hjohnson: lol

[02:49:13]

hjohnson:

(despite the fact that colour film doesn't technically have grain)

[02:49:38]

hjohnson:

mchou: either way, they're preventing me from doing what should be perfectly legal to do with the material involved.. they're messing with my rights.

[02:49:45]

hjohnson:

and that's what ticks me off.

[02:50:00]

mchou:

if you yousing digital to model analog, you're losing info. no if and or buts about it

[02:50:04]

hjohnson:

yes, it's absolutely in violation of copyright for me to share that with anyone else, but I can format shift and time shift to my hearts desire.

[02:50:06]

dansmith_:

hjohnson: weren't your rights officially revoked by the DMCA, when it comes to digital media? :)

[02:50:18]

hjohnson:

dansmith_: i'm not in America.

[02:50:19]

hjohnson:

:)

[02:50:24]

dansmith_:

hjohnson: damn you! :P

[02:50:45]

Zider:

more like "damn US" ;)

[02:50:51]

hjohnson:

though the canadian parliament and lord harper of wall street are enacting an even more draconian law.

[02:50:56]

dansmith_:

Zider: indeed

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SlicerDicer-:

defaultro: of course

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hjohnson:

alas

[02:52:35]

hjohnson:

I'm a full believe in good, strong copyright legislation, peopel deserve to make money on the intellectual property they produce, if they so wish. however, when I effectively have a license to use the material in question, I should be able to do whatever I wish to do with it.

[02:52:45]

e4:

heh these guys are gonna get their wish some day, people will just get fed up and start losing interest

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hjohnson:

i've been pondering something to snoop on HDCP DVI, though I can't remember if it's actually scrambled or encrypted on the DVI cable.

[02:53:58]

mchou:

SlicerDicer-: those dudes on that forum dont know what they are talking about.

[02:54:04]

SlicerDicer-:

mchou: indeed

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hjohnson:

dman encrypted.. never mind

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: especially the dude who posted info about 5C. How did he verify it? no freaking detail

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defaultro:

Slicer, you're in Seattle too right

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defaultro:

you are lucky

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SlicerDicer-:

mchou: but I would not say how I did it :)

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: back them he tried using his windows box when MSFT firewire stack was broken :)

[02:55:23]

SlicerDicer-:

defaultro: actually I am not in seattle or on the seattle headend

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SlicerDicer-:

I am on the renton headend

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mchou:

s/them/then

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defaultro:

oh

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defaultro:

frickin comcast, they prevent other companies here to provide cable

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** SlicerDicer- says EASTSIDE is the best to xris pffft! ;-) **

[02:56:02]

defaultro:

s/prevent/prevented/

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: lol

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SlicerDicer-:

mchou: I live east of Seattle about 31 miles so its eastside :)

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: so I figured out why skype was so crappy sometimes

[02:57:46]

SlicerDicer-:

why is that?

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: sometimes they choose a REALLY crappy codec

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SlicerDicer-:

lol

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: there is no rhyme or reason on how skype chooses codecs

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disasm:

hey all, setting up mythtv with a bttv card... I'm in US, using us-cable, tried us-cable-hrc as well, and I can't get the quality to look anywhere near tvtime, any suggestions?

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schlerf:

Did anything change in how lirc works in the new version? My remote broke when I upgraded, but irw still works fine...

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defaultro:

are you guys familiar with digital to analog for audio?

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como:

where can I find out what remote controls work with mythtv?

[03:51:49]

Anduin:

como: If it works with lirc it works with MythTV

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como:

Anduin, same with ir transmitters?

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jams:

yep

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Anduin:

como: To an extent, anything you can actually use in linux could be used in a change script (so all of lirc plus)

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LLyric:

Anyone able to help with a nvidia tv out issue?

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LLyric:

I've got a TV that can take 1080i input, works fine from my settop box, but when I tell my nvidia config HD1080i, every second line is... offset a bit.

[04:08:53]

LLyric:

So I get a "shadow" image maybe 50 pixels to the right.

[04:09:07]

LLyric:

The lower resolution I use, the smaller the offset, but it's still there...

[04:09:59]

ShockValue:

could it be an interlacing issue?

[04:10:36]

LLyric:

That was my first guess. How would I investigate?

[04:11:09]

LLyric:

The xorg log says "interlaced modes enabled" or something

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ShockValue:

can you do 720p ?

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LLyric:

Nope

[04:11:49]

LLyric:

The tv doesn't support it

[04:11:57]

LLyric:

It's only a rear-projection CRT.

[04:12:12]

LLyric:

But picture definately looks better with 1080i input that 520i or whatever it's doing now.

[04:12:22]

LLyric:

576i

[04:12:33]

LLyric:

My settop box looks great

[04:13:01]

ShockValue:

hrm, weird

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ShockValue:

im not that good with video mode stuff, i'd probably be here asking the same question

[04:14:20]

Fnc:

anyone know off hand whats up with this?

[04:14:21]

Fnc:

dvb#0 error opening dvb frontend device failed (13) Permission denied

[04:14:38]

ShockValue:

ugh, my network connection is cutting out.. brb

[04:14:42]

Fnc:

i had things working... but dumbass me... killed the powerstrip earilier... and well now things arent working...

[04:14:47]

Fnc:

Dont know what i did

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LLyric:

Fnc the access denied is about permissions to the /dev/dvb device

[04:15:16]

LLyric:

You might need some udev stuff

[04:15:19]

LLyric:

BUt

[04:15:29]

LLyric:

That should be accessed by backend

[04:15:31]

LLyric:

not frontend

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Fnc:

yeah its a backend error

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LLyric:

As a temporary fix, chmod -R 777 /dev/dvb*

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Fnc:

had it working fin, just not sure what it was that i did to fix it before

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LLyric:

see i that helps

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Fnc:

what about a more perm fix?

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LLyric:

udev config

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Fnc:

LLyric not familiar with udev

[04:21:16]

LLyric:

afaik (on my fc5 system) it's the thing that detects devices, make the device nodes, including permissions etc.

[04:21:35]

LLyric:

Did the temporary fix work?

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Fnc:

yup

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halcyon:

man udev

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Fnc:

halcyon: Ill take it, that means you have no clue... thanks i know what man is

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Fnc:

LLyric

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Fnc:

think you could help me out with this one?

[04:25:50]

halcyon:

have you looked at your udev rules? that determines the permissions on devices.

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halcyon:

yes, man udev

[04:25:59]

LLyric:

Look in your udev config, at the dvb* lines

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Chicago:

What card works with directTV?

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Fnc:

hmmm

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LLyric:

Other distros might not even use udev

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Fnc:

'/etc/udev/udev.conf has no dvb stuffs

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Fnc:

im fc4

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halcyon:

add it

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LLyric:

/etc/udev/rules.d/*

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LLyric:

50-udev.rules for mine

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Fnc:

again halcyon if you dont know shut it

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halcyon:

indeed

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Fnc:

LLyric: ok got that

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LLyric:

mine has : KERNEL=="dvb", MODE="0660"

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LLyric:

SUBSYSTEM=="dvb", PROGRAM="/bin/sh -c 'K=%k; K=$${K#dvb}; printf dvb/adapter%%i

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LLyric:

NAME="%c", MODE="0660"

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halcyon:

SUBSYSTEM=="dvb", GROUP="video", MODE="0666"

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halcyon:

olol I don't know what I'm saying

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LLyric:

bbl, playing wiht video modes again :(

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Fnc:

# DVB

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Fnc:

# DVB

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Fnc:

KERNEL=="dvb", MODE="0660"

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Fnc:

SUBSYSTEM=="dvb", PROGRAM="/bin/sh -c 'K=%k; K=$${K#dvb}; printf dvb/adapter%%i/%%s $${K%%%%.*} $${K#*.}'", NAME="%c", MODE="0660"

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mortal5:

hey guys, how do i run myth config as user mythtv on X?

[04:35:49]

mortal5:

mythtv@BadCyborg:/home/mortal$ mythtv-setup

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mortal5:

Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server

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mortal5:

Xlib: No protocol specified

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halcyon:

doesn't sound like you're in X

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mortal5:

halcyon, i am

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mortal5:

trust me

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halcyon:

it's not a myth issue...

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mortal5:

it's a myth install issue

[04:38:19]

halcyon:

that it can't connect to an X session? yeah that's a myth instal issue.

[04:39:50]

mortal5:

halcyon, given that i'm following the mythtv install doc to the letter, I'd say there's a problem with the install doc

[04:40:20]

halcyon:

are you in a regular user login, or root?

[04:41:42]

mortal5:

I'm logged in under a reg user acct, but i've su'd into mythtv and I'm trying to start it

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mortal5:

as the doc says

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mortal5:

actually, it says to use gnome's log in as diff user thing

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mortal5:

but i don't have that on this system

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halcyon:

try EXPORT DISPLAY=0:0

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halcyon:

err export in lowercase

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halcyon:

when you su to antoher user, it may not bring with it the X display var

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mortal5:

halcyon, um, can i just run this thing as normal user?

[04:44:26]

halcyon:

should be able to

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mortal5:

ok

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halcyon:

of course it depends on permissions on your particular dist., but I think you should be able to run as a reg. user

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halcyon:

Fnc, any luck?

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Fnc:

nope

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mortal5:

halcyon, well i'm getting furhter than i did yesterday

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halcyon:

Fnc: what does ls -al dvb* say?

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Fnc:

drwxrwxrwx 2 root root 120 Sep 9 19:49 adapter0

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Fnc:

thats after i did the chmod 777

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halcyon:

err.. that's not dvb*

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halcyon:

mortal5: are you able to run setup as normal user?

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Fnc:

rules.d]# ls -al dvb*

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Fnc:

ls: dvb*: No such file or directory

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halcyon:

note that I'm going at it from a udev/permissions point of view, I don't use DVB myself :D

[04:53:08]

hjohnson:

alas, most of the DVB stuff on the satellites that's FTA isn't worth watching

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Fnc:

my dvb is atsc ota hidef stuffs

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mortal5:

halcyon, yeah, the mythconfig is wierd

[04:54:02]

mortal5:

i hit finish and it takes me back to the start of the config

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mortal5:

have to hit esc

[04:54:20]

halcyon:

kinda cofused... you ran mythtv-setup?

[04:55:33]

mortal5:

halcyon, yeah

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mortal5:

i've configured down to the channels part

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mortal5:

but it doesn't have any channels

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halcyon:

I'm not sure what you mean by hitting "finish"... you kind of just configure and then exit out.

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halcyon:

oh

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mortal5:

oh wait i missed mythfilldb

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halcyon:

yeah you have to do that :D

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Fnc:

yup pretty important step

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mortal5:

..bleepity bleep bleep bleep!

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mortal5:

argh..

[04:58:45]

mortal5:

Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

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mortal5:

and i just got through adding perms for *everyone* on my 192.168 sub

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halcyon:

localhost isn't 192.168.x.x

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** mortal5 grouches and stomps off to add more perms **

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halcyon:

I usually do the grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"%" identified by "mythtv"; thing

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halcyon:

mortal5, is it working?

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mortal5:

halcyon, no

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mortal5:

and i've granted all perms to everything

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halcyon:

do you get any err message?

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mortal5:

yes

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rhuey:

Tvrec(1) Error: Problem finding starting channel, setting to default of '3'.

[05:12:00]

rhuey:

Can anyone point me in the right direction on that error?

[05:12:49]

mortal5:

http://pastebin.ca/165800

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halcyon:

did you set up db permissions per the documentation?

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mortal5:

yes i set up db perms for all

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mortal5:

the "no security" option

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halcyon:

not sure on the security part for your distribution.. I'm using Ubuntu

[05:15:21]

mortal5:

me 2

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halcyon:

but you set it up via http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2

[05:16:09]

mortal5:

yeah that's exactly the page i'm reading, and exactly what i've done

[05:16:32]

halcyon:

hmm, I've had no problems with it.. :/

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halcyon:

are you able to do mysql -u root -D mythconverg?

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mortal5:

what's -D?

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mortal5:

yes, now what?

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halcyon:

-D is the specify database part...

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mortal5:

halcyon, did you see my pastebin?

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mortal5:

http://pastebin.ca/165800

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halcyon:

yes, and this stuck out: mythtv'@'localhost

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mortal5:

halcyon, I've already granted all perms to everyone

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mortal5:

via the guide

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halcyon:

you get this error when trying mythtv-setup as a normal user?

[05:28:15]

mortal5:

no, i get this error trying mythfilldb as root

[05:28:41]

halcyon:

it shoud work, especially as root. Hm...

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halcyon:

so, you've run mysql> grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"%" identified by "mythtv";

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halcyon:

mysql> flush privileges;

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halcyon:

?

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mortal5:

yes

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mortal5:

lots of times

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halcyon:

stupid root... :D

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mortal5:

halcyon, msg me?

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halcyon:

not sure, but not showing current msgs..

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mortal5:

ok dun worry about it

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mortal5:

halcyon, have you used freevo?

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e4:

good evening :)

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mortal5:

e4, don't append good to this evening

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halcyon:

I haven't, mortal5

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e4:

technically I prefaced evening with good, so it's a modifier!

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mortal5:

halcyon, I was thinking about giving you ssh acess to my box

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mortal5:

but i dun wana do it over the chan

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halcyon:

that's ok :D

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e4:

Well, after a bit more reading I'm stumped again, does anyone have a PVR-500MCE that they use?

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asd26:

new mythtv is heavy on the processor

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Dagmar:

e4: Yes, I use one all the time, which is why I said what I said earlier

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e4:

sorry, heh, I'm on a laptop at a different location

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asd26:

just doing a refresh on mythweb on the interface tends to cause problems

[06:09:27]

Dagmar:

e4: It does work. I'm can't guess what you left out tho. The latest kernel (without preempt) and ivtv 0.7.0 should make it work

[06:09:46]

Dagmar:

e4: At least if it's not working, I should be able to help you figure out where it's breaking, but I need to know how it's breaking

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e4:

I tried tacking on apci=off to the kernel but I'm not sure if that shut off preempt off..

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Dagmar:

No, you have to rebuild the kernel

[06:10:28]

Dagmar:

Just go to that entry in menuconfig and turn it right off.

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e4:

I've never had to do that before

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Dagmar:

Otherwise, the first time ivtv gets it's actions preempted... *BANG*

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e4:

hm..

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e4:

as in about 2–10 seconds after recording?

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Dagmar:

I've had to do it since pretty much the first week I was using ivtv

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Dagmar:

If you're lucky you get that far

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Dagmar:

Heh

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e4:

kind of figured

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Dagmar:

For me it alternated between that and five minutes before the end of the show

[06:11:28]

e4:

haha

[06:11:58]

Dagmar:

Now it just gobbles up my 250Gb storage drive like it's candy

[06:12:00]

e4:

bah! One sec, have to call a roommate to power on the machine :P

[06:12:09]

Dagmar:

I really gotta get the transcoding stuff working

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e4:

yeah, I was looking into that too, heh. Are you trying to set it up to have a different server handle transcoding?

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Dagmar:

NOpe

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Dagmar:

It's got a 3200+ in it now. It damn well should be able to do it fine. heh

[06:13:19]

e4:

:P

[06:13:26]

Dagmar:

I'm just stuck on getting the capabilities stuff working correctly at the moment

[06:13:34]

e4:

capabilities?

[06:13:54]

Dagmar:

"linux capabilities" which is an irritatingly generic way of saying "special security hooks in the kernel"

[06:14:14]

Dagmar:

...for things like giving one gid privs to call realtime stuff so the frontend doesn't have to be root and so on

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Dagmar:

I've got Myth spawning as the whole enchilada in runlevel 5, so I'm bypassing PAM entirely and that's the only way I know of (right now) to hook that stuff

[06:15:20]

Dagmar:

So I'm still doing everything in there as root, which isn't that big of a deal for a kiosk box

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e4:

interesting

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e4:

I'm guessing this is why knoppmyth is so popular

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Dagmar:

Well, it's mainly because we don't have to worry about a subscription service and it's probably the most powerful "convergence" device of it's kind right now

[06:16:32]

Dagmar:

Very little with the exception of Windows Media Center comes close

[06:16:44]

Dagmar:

...and Tom's Hardware had MythTV mentioned way above MCE very recently

[06:16:58]

Dagmar:

Like, I gots a ton of music. Actual, legitimate music

[06:17:32]

Dagmar:

MUCH of which is on vinyl (i.e., insiduously offline) but still like 300+ actual owned CDs. I own all of three "questionable" mp3s

[06:17:51]

Dagmar:

The music player is rough, but nothing else out there lets me manage the music and the TV stuff easily

[06:17:59]

e4:

heh, I just got done digitizing all of my music and my shows too, I HATE having to keep track of stuff...

[06:18:10]

e4:

have you ever thought about using an xbox as a frontend?

[06:18:15]

Dagmar:

What I'd kinda like to see is musicbrainz hooks

[06:18:24]

Dagmar:

Occasionally I get that drunk

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Dagmar:

...not in awhile tho

[06:18:54]

Dagmar:

I just put an older desktop machine to use

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e4:

ah

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Dagmar:

I build a new desktop about every 18 months or so, Moore's Law being what it is

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Dagmar:

This last time around I built a 3200+ x86–64 box to replace my Athlon Pro1800+ box

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e4:

that's what I use :)

[06:19:46]

Dagmar:

...so I just used the Pro1800+ hardware to make the myth box

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e4:

x86 or 86–64?

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Dagmar:

I actually blew up the CPU (I guess it was just time for it to die, first fatality I've ever had like that)..

[06:20:18]

Dagmar:

...althouh I dont' blame Myth

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e4:

heh cpu sink fell off?

[06:20:51]

Dagmar:

So like last month when AMD and Intel had the massive price drops, I ordered another one of the motherboards I'm using in my desktop (since I tested most of this stuff on it first)...

[06:21:02]

Dagmar:

...and an X2 3800. :)

[06:21:18]

Dagmar:

Nah the CPU just plain cracked

[06:21:33]

Dagmar:

It drove me nuts in the process of troubleshooting it

[06:22:11]

Dagmar:

I thought at first it was Myth showing me another ugly thing, then I started on the hardware diagnostics and had it spontaneously reboot while I was doing a memtest, then while I was looking at the BIOS...

[06:22:59]

Dagmar:

...which since the box had literally nothing in it at the time meant only one thing. I took off the CPU cooler and apparently the thermal pad wasnt clean or something when I put it on, and part of it had roasted and slid away, so I wound up with two little holes in the core about teh size of grains of salt

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Dagmar:

It don't take much damage to ruin those exposed cores

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Dagmar:

I thought about sending it off to AMD for a replacement, but I figure it's outlived it's usefulness to me anyway

[06:24:38]

Dagmar:

You use their HSF that came with the CPU and if the CPU dies for any reason while it's warrantied, they don't ask you nothin'

[06:25:01]

Dagmar:

I suppose so long as you don't call them up going "Hey man this thing was only overclocked to 6Ghz and it blew"

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e4:

hm..

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e4:

Dagmar, was that the only major snag you hit with Fedora?

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Dagmar:

e4: HAH

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Dagmar:

I dont' use Fedora

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Dagmar:

I use Slackware

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Dagmar:

...which basically means I can work all distros, once I beat the screwy stuff out of the way

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e4:

hm... I was thinking you used FC5 for some reason.

[06:40:27]

e4:

ok

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Dagmar:

Oh no...

[06:42:59]

Dagmar:

Definitely not unless I'm being paid

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mk500:

hi all

[06:52:46]

mk500:

I'm having a little trouble formatting the partitions on my soon-to-be myth box

[06:53:03]

mk500:

when I do mke2fs -j /dev/hda4

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mk500:

I get "bash: /sbin/mke2fs: Input/output error

[06:53:41]

mk500:

any ideas?

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Dagmar:

/dev/hda4 must be an ext2/ext3 formatted partition

[06:55:03]

Dagmar:

...and it's tune2fs that you turn on the journal with

[06:55:30]

Dagmar:

...usually anyway.

[06:55:59]

Dagmar:

I tend to just leave the journal undone and hit it with `tune2fs -j -c 0 -i 0` since I'm gonna have to run tune2fs anyway

[06:56:07]

mk500:

isn't the mke2fs command what makes it an ext formatted partition?

[06:56:12]

Dagmar:

Yes

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mk500:

I've just completed partitioning....is there a step I'm missing?

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Dagmar:

...but you didn't tell it what type of filesystem you wanted there

[06:56:53]

Dagmar:

Leave off the -j and try -t ext3 or -t ext2 instead

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regicide666:

mke2fs -j /dev/hda4 should work fine for ext3

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Dagmar:

...IF hda4 was something else before you might need to reboot

[06:57:48]

Dagmar:

You also might want to make sure your partition table really is what you think it is

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regicide666:

You could have problems when changing the partitions on a disk you are using

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mk500:

so, possibly "mke2fs -t ext3 /dev/hda4" might be a good option?

[06:58:03]

mk500:

yeah, I checked my part table

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Dagmar:

`fdisk -l /dev/hda`

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Dagmar:

mk500: it can't hurt to try

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Dagmar:

...unless you're blindly cutting and pasting commands from IRC, which is not smart

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mk500:

no, I kind of know what I'm doing....:-)

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Dagmar:

Tehre's some conditions under which the kernel will and will not update it's copy of the partition table in memory, that I'm not 100% on

[06:59:22]

Dagmar:

If it still gets kvetchy about that, reboot and try again

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mk500:

have formatted quite a few partitions for linux before, never had this problem

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Dagmar:

yeah, I'd say it's indicative that the partition doesn't exist, or that the kernel refuses to believe in it

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mk500:

that's interesting about the kernel....I might try a reboot

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regicide666:

do you have any partitions from that disk mounted

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mk500:

it shows up when I do fdisk -l

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regicide666:

if so reboot

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mk500:

I don't have any mounted (am running off knoppix cd)

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mk500:

ok, I'll try that, I'll let you know how it goes....thanks

[07:00:29]

Dagmar:

That's rather bizarre then, but at least now we know it can't hurt toreboot

[07:00:44]

Dagmar:

Maybe knoppix got grabby about partitions

[07:01:06]

Dagmar:

mk500;

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Dagmar:

mk500: I hope you're not using ext3 as your main storage tho

[07:01:27]

e4:

I am!

[07:01:38]

Dagmar:

You won't be happy

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regicide666:

I am on sata drives

[07:01:47]

regicide666:

works fine with HD

[07:01:48]

mk500:

this machine will only be a frontend

[07:01:55]

mk500:

so all data stored elsewhere

[07:02:06]

lupin_sansei:

I'm just trying out transcoding for the first time, can I ask a couple of questions to check that I understand it? What does "Autodetect from MPEG2" mean? It will convert to mpeg2 with commericals cut out if they are flagged, and to mpeg4 otherwise?

[07:02:16]

e4:

what do you use?

[07:02:21]

Dagmar:

When you delete a file on an ext3 filesystem, it's going to take a WHILE to do so if it's large (like video recordings tend to be)

[07:02:32]

Dagmar:

I use jfs

[07:02:49]

Dagmar:

...although I'm using ext3 and ext2 on the rest of the filesystems, the main storage filesystem is jfs for that reason

[07:02:55]

Dagmar:

Fast file deletes

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e4:

hm.. I've never noticed that

[07:03:06]

regicide666:

I just switched to ext3 today because I was getting crashes when I was using xfs

[07:03:18]

Dagmar:

Otherwise, auto expiring recordings might make the box seem to hang every so often

[07:03:19]

regicide666:

but I am still getting the crashes

[07:03:28]

Dagmar:

regicide666: What kind of crashes

[07:03:35]

regicide666:

hard lockup

[07:03:43]

regicide666:

no errors in any logs

[07:03:46]

Dagmar:

What kernel, card, ivtv version?

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regicide666:

2.6.16 2 pvr150 and an ati hdtvwonder

[07:04:36]

Dagmar:

e4: Delete a 6gb file from the command line on an ext3 filesystem and you'll notice

[07:04:48]

Dagmar:

regicide666: Well, for one thing, update to 2.6.17.x

[07:05:02]

regicide666:

I had problems with ivtv in 2.6.17

[07:05:03]

Dagmar:

You should at least be able to rule out ivtv problems

[07:05:11]

Dagmar:

Gosh wonder why

[07:05:14]

regicide666:

its amd64

[07:05:18]

Dagmar:

</sarcasm>

[07:05:27]

Dagmar:

Was it compiled for lib64 or running 32-bit binaries?

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e4:

heh I actually cp'd and rm'd ~120Gb of stuff yesterday

[07:05:44]

regicide666:

I am running gentoo with only 64

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Dagmar:

I'm steppin' away from the keys on that one. I don't much care for Gentoo's build scripts

[07:06:24]

Dagmar:

I'm having zero problems with 2.6.17.11 and ivtv 0.7.0

[07:06:42]

regicide666:

it was a bit back when ivtv was still marked unstable but 2.6.17 was stable so I may go and try again

[07:06:44]

Dagmar:

If you were trying to use an older ivtv with 2.6.16.x, then that's probably the reason it was borking

[07:07:05]

regicide666:

no it is on playback of recorded shows and livetv that I get the crash

[07:07:08]

Dagmar:

er an older ivtv with 2.6.17.x I mean

[07:07:24]

Dagmar:

Playback of anything then, basically, since liveTV *is* doing a playback

[07:07:30]

regicide666:

yes

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Dagmar:

...which kind of rules out ivtv actually

[07:07:45]

Dagmar:

It's not used at all during playback of recorded shows... only when the box is recording

[07:07:56]

Dagmar:

I'd take a long hard look at the ATI driver maybe

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regicide666:

Yea I was thinking maybe my filesystem but I changed that today

[07:08:34]

regicide666:

I have nvidia video card but the hole motherboard is ATI stuff

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Dagmar:

Hard lockups like that tend to be driver related

[07:08:49]

Dagmar:

nVidia's latest 64-bit driver?

[07:09:11]

Dagmar:

5336 should work

[07:09:22]

Dagmar:

I WANT 9XXX NOW tho

[07:09:24]

regicide666:

let me check I need to ssh to that box

[07:09:43]

Dagmar:

Sorry, it bugs the @#$@ out of me that Metacity just got this indirect GLX stuff that I can't use yet

[07:10:01]

e4:

you could try doing a cat /dev/video(whatever) > /file

[07:10:19]

Dagmar:

e4: It realyl can't be ivtv tho if it crashes during playing back stuff while the tuner isn't running

[07:10:51]

regicide666:

NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64–1.0-8762-pkg2.run is the file I used

[07:10:57]

Dagmar:

Okay, that's a problem then

[07:11:09]

Dagmar:

Whoa wait where did that come from?

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regicide666:

nvidia

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Dagmar:

Ohj wait I was misreading something on their site anywya

[07:11:57]

Dagmar:

8774 is out

[07:11:57]

Dagmar:

http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_ . . . 774-pkg2.run

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e4:

regicide, do you get errors playing back anything else?

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lupin_sansei:

what is rtjpeg?

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regicide666:

no errors

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regicide666:

just lockup

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e4:

does it lock up when you're playing back any other kind of media?

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regicide666:

no

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Dagmar:

huh?

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regicide666:

just tv recordings

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Dagmar:

Didnt' you say it was crashing while playing back recordings/

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Dagmar:

Ah

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regicide666:

I am going to try that new driver

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davidsmind:

I just updated to newest IVTV 7.x and Mythtv and while IVTV is working just fine mythtv bails saying "StartRecorder() — timed out waiting for recorder to start"

[07:13:39]

davidsmind:

I can cat /dev/video0 into a mpg and watch that with mythtv

[07:13:41]

Dagmar:

davidsmind: Do you have DMA support in your kernel?

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davidsmind:

Dagmar: would that make a difference to mythtv but not to ivtv?

[07:14:02]

Dagmar:

...as in support for DMA to the hard drive

[07:14:06]

davidsmind:

I do

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davidsmind:

using_dma = 1 (on)

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Dagmar:

davidsmind: yeah, if UDMA isnt' working like it's supposed to, disk access will be hella slow, and that causes a race condition

[07:14:30]

davidsmind:

hrmm

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Dagmar:

Try a very simple test

[07:14:35]

davidsmind:

ok

[07:14:38]

Dagmar:

`hdparm -t /dev/hda`

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davidsmind:

like hdparm -Tt

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Dagmar:

Substituting /dev/hda for whatever drive that is

[07:15:00]

Dagmar:

Yeah, but it's the real speeds we wanna know about

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davidsmind:

47.39 MB/sec

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davidsmind:

not to fast

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Dagmar:

Crap. So much for that then

[07:15:25]

davidsmind:

but it's ide

[07:15:27]

Dagmar:

That's actually reasonable

[07:15:32]

Dagmar:

I'm getting 52.61 here

[07:15:44]

Dagmar:

If you get something in the single digits tho, you have a clear problem

[07:15:53]

davidsmind:

yeah, the Oddest thing is that I can get video out of video0

[07:15:56]

Dagmar:

You did build support for your specific IDE chipset directly into the kernel, right?

[07:15:57]

davidsmind:

but myth just cant

[07:16:03]

Dagmar:

Yeah, it's a disk race

[07:16:16]

davidsmind:

huh?

[07:16:23]

Dagmar:

Generic DMA support for PCI controllers works, but it's dodgy IMHO

[07:16:41]

davidsmind:

Well I'm pretty sure I have, let me double check

[07:16:46]

Dagmar:

It's a race condition on the disk. The liveTV recording has to be started and be on the disk before the player component can pick it up

[07:16:57]

davidsmind:

oooh

[07:16:59]

davidsmind:

I se

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Dagmar:

I had that very thing going on when I didn't have the ULi chipset support in my kernel

[07:17:26]

davidsmind:

yes using VIA82CXXX

[07:17:31]

Dagmar:

It made things just inefficient enough that I would lose the race repeatedly

[07:17:36]

davidsmind:

so what else could be doing this?

[07:17:46]

Dagmar:

Maybe reiser. :)

[07:18:02]

davidsmind:

do be honest the ivtv output from the cat had black for the first 15 or so seconds

[07:18:06]

davidsmind:

hrmm...

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Dagmar:

I'm out of ideas actually unless the directory for liveTV recordings is set to null or something

[07:18:15]

davidsmind:

maybe non optimal ivtv settings?

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Dagmar:

Well, there's not really anything to set with ivtv

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Dagmar:

It mainly either works or it doesn't

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|marvin|:

morning

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davidsmind:

sure there is ivtvctl is filled with many settings

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Dagmar:

None of which are necessary to make it work

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regicide666:

I don't think the settings are static in ivtvctl

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Dagmar:

Much like trying to use hdparm to "fix" disk issue is usually a step in the wrong direction

[07:20:03]

davidsmind:

I see

[07:20:14]

Dagmar:

Maybe make sure your PVR card isn't sharing an interrupt with anything

[07:20:34]

Dagmar:

PCI IRQ sharing seldom works like it's supposed to

[07:20:52]

Dagmar:

People on Win32 don't often notice because it's good at hiding things and they expect it to be randomly slow

[07:21:01]

regicide666:

Well I got the new nvidia drivers so I won't know if it helped for another 30 minutes or so

[07:21:08]

davidsmind:

Dagmar: hrmm but the thing is, this isn't a new install

[07:21:18]

davidsmind:

all I did was upgrade ivtv and mythtv

[07:21:32]

Dagmar:

Upgraded mythtv from what to what?

[07:21:32]

davidsmind:

I've recreated the tuner with mythtv-setup as well

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Dagmar:

regicide666: You should really have a faster CPU than that...

[07:22:01]

Dagmar:

It takes like <3 minutes to rebuild that driver

[07:22:05]

regicide666:

than what

[07:22:18]

Dagmar:

...at least for me it does, even on the UP hardware

[07:22:32]

davidsmind:

mythtv-0.19_p9163-r1 -> mythtv-0.19_p10505

[07:22:39]

regicide666:

it is an amd64 athlon x2

[07:22:52]

Dagmar:

regicide666: Then you should get out a gun and shoot it if it's taking that long to build

[07:23:00]

davidsmind:

this is a hauppage pvr-350

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e4:

lol simmer down dagmar

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Dagmar:

I just reinstalled it here. Took under two minutes iwth the X2 3800

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regicide666:

no not to build to watch a show till I get the lockup

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Dagmar:

Oh

[07:23:18]

Dagmar:

I see

[07:23:33]

Dagmar:

I was thinking "If he wants a sign that there's a hardware problem, does it really need neon?"

[07:23:33]

regicide666:

it is kinda random when it locks up

[07:24:06]

Dagmar:

davidsmind: Hmm... well, that's not the one I'm using. I just pulled new SVN a few days ago

[07:24:27]

Dagmar:

IU'm using 10855 here

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Dagmar:

regicide666: I feel your pain. I just had to select a bunch of stuff to record and destroy when I was debugging the preempt problem

[07:25:40]

regicide666:

how is .20

[07:25:45]

Dagmar:

Nonexistant?

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xris:

Dagmar: hopefully that will be false within 24 hours

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Dagmar:

xris: Oh yeah I just love building stuff 24/7

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Dagmar:

heh

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davidsmind:

Dagmar: it seems all live recording fails

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davidsmind:

not just watch live tv

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Dagmar:

Trying to keep Slackware up to date with current for the 11.0 release, Dropline stuff building to 2.16 now... I'm making this new CPU earn it's keep

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|marvin|:

may i have a short question

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Dagmar:

davidsmind: Well, you can pull the latest SVN, or drop back to a version you knew worked

[07:28:08]

|marvin|:

i would like to set a UserJob %TITEL% , how does this work

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Dagmar:

You changed two things at once. That makes troubleshooting a problem. You should revert one of those back to a "known, good" state so you can focus on what might be wrong with the other

[07:29:00]

regicide666:

I always do that

[07:29:10]

regicide666:

change more than one thing

[07:29:20]

regicide666:

then I hate myself for a bit

[07:29:21]

Dagmar:

Well, now it's decided your butt looks like a steak

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|marvin|:

Do i just have to set %TITEL% as Job and use that on, or has %TITEL% to follow up by anything ?

[07:30:35]

Dagmar:

ooo... microwave just dinged.

[07:33:51]

davidsmind:

Reverting

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lupin_sansei:

so what does rtjpeg mean? I have been looking on the net but I can't seem to find any description of it

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davidsmind:

lupin_sansei: http://www.linux.org/apps/AppId_6998.html

[07:37:50]

davidsmind:

It's a codec

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xris:

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/09/08/the_mythtv_convergence/

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lupin_sansei:

on my transcoding settings it has rtjpeg by default, but I have a DBV card, so I would be wanting to transcode to mpg4 rather than rtjpeg wouldn't i?

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xris:

hmm, I guess that was being talked about the other day

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lupin_sansei:

When I record a programme using my DVB card with myth it's normally 16:9 @720x576. Does that cause a problem if a burn a DVD?

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lupin_sansei:

hey emja are you in Perth?

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emja:

why?

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lupin_sansei:

Are you using the EPG with Myth?

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emja:

wtf is the epg?

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lupin_sansei:

electronic programme guide

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emja:

ahh. too obvious. no

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emja:

:-)

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emja:

actualy, I don't watch TV at all. I only use the MythTV for caching of DVDs and (hopefully) VHS tapes

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lupin_sansei:

I can't get channel 9 to show it's EPG with myth, I wondered if you had the same problem and whether it was a Perth thing

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lupin_sansei:

oh well

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emja:

anyone awake? i'm trying to record from vhs (analog input). I started a recording session (by pressing R while watching the tape through myth), but the recording stopping automatically after about 1.1Gb

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emja:

I guess the question is; how do I record a non-scheduled event from analog input?

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Anduin:

emja: For ivtv you are better off just doing cat /dev/video0 > myvhs.mpg

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emja:

ivtv?

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emja:

Anduin: what is ivtv?

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Anduin:

emja: The driver for the hauppauge cards

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emja:

ok. so I just cat the device to a mpg file, press CTRL-C when complete, and I'm done?

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Anduin:

emja: With the the hauppague hardware cards, yes.

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emja:

Anduin: probably a dumb question, but is the Bt878 chipset included?

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Anduin:

emja: Nope, not included

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Anduin:

emja: There is a manual schedule thing you can try.

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emja:

Anduin: ok, many thanks

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Juski:

morning.

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Ribs:

good moaning

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Juski:

busy searching for a nice (free) music bed for my new video

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Kelerion:

morning all

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e4:

*grumble grumble*

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Juski:

morning Kelerion

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Juski:

dusty?

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Kelerion:

hell yeah... lol

[10:12:06]

Juski:

aww man I need another gig of RAM

[10:12:08]

Kelerion:

just got my bluetooth headset working under linux and skype... am chuffed with myself at the minute.. lol

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Juski:

w00t

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Juski:

erm.. I mean great!

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Kelerion:

what ya up to today? the video stuff?

[10:14:35]

Juski:

yeah mostly

[10:14:47]

Juski:

be a waste of time to start burning CDs just yet

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Kelerion:

what cd's you doing? knoppmyth or minimyth?

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Juski:

if you thought the last video was snazzy... ;)

[10:15:24]

Juski:

probably the knopp

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** Kelerion chuckles **

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Juski:

I found a copyright-free video loop of clouds so I'm using that as the background this time

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Kelerion:

where do you get stuff like that from? was looking for some a while ago for a background of a dvd

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Juski:

can't remember now

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Kelerion:

didn't look to hard to be honest... got sidetracked.. lol

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Juski:

they're damn hard to find

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Kelerion:

are they real clouds or a terrain-generating-app type thing?

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Kelerion:

I know you can do stuff like that in vistapro

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Kelerion:

just typed "clouds" into google video and got one... don't think it's copyright free though

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Kelerion:

right... better shoot.. gotta run to B&Q and decide on colors.. lol

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Kelerion:

cya later :)

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Juski:

aye have fun

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Juski:

fucking windows tech support calls from family... "just changed the motherboard & CPU now windows won't boot". duh

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Juski:

anybody here happen to have a screenshot of mytharchive by any chance?

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Ribs:

Juski, you work for windows technical support?

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Hoxzer:

Hummm

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bagpuss_thecat:

Kelerion: bluetooth headset... difficult?

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** bagpuss_thecat has one sitting here that's never used **

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bagpuss_thecat:

actually, I could be wrong... look like the other half has taken it to work :-p

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Juski:

Ribs... lol

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Juski:

afternoon stuarta

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stuarta:

afternoon Juski

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stuarta:

ahh F1 GP time :)

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snecklifter:

bit tumbleweedy in here isnt it, i thought it would be rammed with people asking when 0.20 is out

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stuarta:

it's too early on a sunday :)

[11:57:23]

Juski:

all they'd have to do is look at the channel topic/ pfft

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snecklifter:

yeah, perhaps theres just some bots monitoring that for changes instead :)

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Juski:

when it's ready! sheesh take a pill. I'm not in any hurry – it'll be a while before there's a 0.20 minimyth anyway

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Kelerion:

lol

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snecklifter:

quite

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snecklifter:

ah, that was the distro you were running at LRL Juski ?

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Juski:

nope

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snecklifter:

minislack

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Juski:

zenslack

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snecklifter:

something slack

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snecklifter:

ah yes

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Juski:

I've gone off that. it contains some very dodgy stuff as it turns out

[12:00:57]

snecklifter:

really, like what?

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stuarta:

slack arse?

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Juski:

like SSHHHH

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snecklifter:

ssh, whats wrong with that? :)

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Juski:

like ummm.. things I can't talk about here. nuff said

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Ribs:

i don't get this

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Ribs:

my channels keep getting corrupted

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stuarta:

something has to be wrong with your database.

[12:20:30]

Ribs:

yeah, but I already fixed it

[12:20:34]

Ribs:

mythtv corrupted it again

[12:20:58]

Ribs:

for four of the channel, it's changed the channel number into the channel name

[12:21:02]

stuarta:

find that hard to believe, since only setup changes the channels.

[12:21:35]

Ribs:

so I'm lying?

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stuarta:

maybe it's something in you mythfilldatabase

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stuarta:

since that's the only other thing that can update channels

[12:22:08]

Ribs:

well, that would make sense

[12:22:11]

Ribs:

as it ran last night

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stuarta:

which implies there is some rubbish coming from your listing provider

[12:23:36]

Ribs:

but why would it change the channel number at all?

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Ribs:

why not just fill in guide data?

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stuarta:

in some areas it's the only way to get proper channel info

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Ribs:

hrm

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Ribs:

in fact, it seems it's corrupted these channels

[12:25:01]

Ribs:

I have two entries for one channel, one has null in the channel frequency

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stuarta:

do you have --do-channel-updates on your mfdb command line?

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niktaris_lap:

what is a IR blaster ?

[12:27:37]

Ribs:

stuarta, I think it's due to incorrect xmltv ids being present

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stuarta:

ahhh.

[12:28:06]

stuarta:

so the xmltv id you already have in the DB doesn't match the data from the provider

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Ribs:

aye

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Ribs:

so it's creating new channels

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stuarta:

yup

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stuarta:

since the xmltvid is the only way it can identify the channel

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Ribs:

well, I don't have any xmltv id for some channels

[12:29:54]

stuarta:

if those channels, even if they have the same callsign, are present in the xmltv data

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stuarta:

you'll end up with 2 of that channel if you don't setup xmltvid

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Ribs:

erm, no

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Ribs:

the channels without a xmltv id are just fine

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Ribs:

the few which it re-created, due to me putting in a incorrect xmltv id into mythtv are the problem channels

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stuarta:

at a guess the ones you don't have an xmltvid for aren't present in the xmltv data

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Ribs:

no, I just didn't enter those in

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Ribs:

xmltv will only look for the channels that I tell it to look for

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stuarta:

yup

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Ribs:

it was just typos in the mythtv configuration, nothing more

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k-man_:

so is 0.20 still on for this weekend?

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stuarta:

looks like it.

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k-man_:

cool

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stuarta:

plan is tonight eastern time...

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k-man_:

thats good

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k-man_:

how long does it usually take to filter down to marillat?

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stuarta:

pure guess, 3–7 days

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kenzu:

hallo..... I can see that there is no tickets for 0.20 release.... does that mean that it's going to be released soon?

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k-man_:

apparantly some time tonight

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k-man_:

if all goes well

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kenzu:

cool....can't wait.

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kenzu:

i'am going to myth everything... he he.... even my mom

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** stuarta gets slightly concerned **

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t00m:

hi

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t00m:

my mythfronend segfaults without a coredump. any ideas how to get it running?

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t00m:

recompile didn't help

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t00m:

got a core dump now

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madfactor:

ne1 avail to help?

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stuarta:

t00m: do a "thread apply all bt full" in gdb and put the result in a pastebin

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t00m:

just compiling gdb.. *sigh*

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t00m:

fortunately, the backend works

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t00m:

I think, it could be the nvidia driver's fault

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t00m:

it segfaults just after showing the gui

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stuarta:

are you running latest & greatest?

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stuarta:

7676 is known to be a happy version

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t00m:

nvidia? i'm up to 86somewhere.. hang on

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t00m:

1.0.8762-r1

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stuarta:

try downgrading

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t00m:

with xorg7.0

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darkdrgn2k:

any one know which kernel module im missing: DMESG says – ivtv0: Failed to load module tda9887

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aevil:

i guess its tda9887.o

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darkdrgn2k:

yes, but where is it in the kernels config :-S

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Juski:

v4l devices

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darkdrgn2k:

Juski: i cqant seem to find it :-S

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davidsmind:

darkdrgn2k: here's a tip. go into make menuconfig

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davidsmind:

type '/'

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davidsmind:

and type in the module name

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davidsmind:

it'll show you the path to glory

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darkdrgn2k:

wow! thats amazing

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darkdrgn2k:

unfortunatly is didnt find anything :-S

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davidsmind:

?

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davidsmind:

really

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t00m:

stuarta: i assume this doesn't help much: http://pastebin.ca/166043 does it?

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davidsmind:

which kernel version?

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darkdrgn2k:

yeh. whihc is wierd because its a pvr150

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darkdrgn2k:

Linux mythsettop 2.6.18-rc4-git1 #1 PREEMPT Thu Sep 7 12:06:20 EDT 2006 i686 AMD Duron(tm) AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux

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davidsmind:

you sure that's the source you are looking at?

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darkdrgn2k:

.. hmm i though i patched it with rc6-git2... well thast neither here nore there lol

[14:21:57]

madfactor:

Need help with quality issues and transcoding

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darkdrgn2k:

linux -> linux-2.6.18-rc4

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darkdrgn2k:

yep

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darkdrgn2k:

using ivtv 0.7.0

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Juski:

ivtv has used v4l kernel modules for a while now

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darkdrgn2k:

so i dont need ivtv?

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Juski:

no you still do

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darkdrgn2k:

ok.. thast what i though

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Juski:

but rather than use its own modules for common stuff like tuners, it uses v4l ones

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darkdrgn2k:

yeh, well i cant shake that one error..

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davidsmind:

you do, and it seems that tda9887 is actually still provided by ivtv and not in the kernel

[14:24:23]

darkdrgn2k:

well i just re-compiled ivtv and rebooting lets see what happens

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davidsmind:

hold on one sec

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Juski:

davidsmind: since a certain version of ivtv, you need to use v4l modules for everything but the ivtv module itself

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darkdrgn2k:

Juski: what is the latest ivtv release?

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Juski:

I dunno. check the ivtvdriver.org site

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davidsmind:

find /lib/modules |grep -i tda9887

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davidsmind:

Juski: this is not true

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darkdrgn2k:

/lib/modules/2.6.16-gentoo-r13/kernel/drivers/media/video/tda9887.ko

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darkdrgn2k:

see the original kernal had the drivers..

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davidsmind:

Juski: ivtv provides the tda9887 driver, it is simply not in the kernel

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darkdrgn2k:

but Linux mythsettop 2.6.18-rc4-git1 # does not

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davidsmind:

darkdrgn2k: what is the link at /usr/src/linux ?

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darkdrgn2k:

<darkdrgn2k> linux -> linux-2.6.18-rc4

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davidsmind:

hrmm

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davidsmind:

and that is the kernel you use?

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darkdrgn2k:

yeh. i cant find it in the kernel..

[14:27:02]

darkdrgn2k:

yep

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darkdrgn2k:

mythsettop 2.6.18-rc4-git1

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davidsmind:

hrmm...

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Juski:

you know for certain versions of kernel you need to have a certain version of ivtv...

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davidsmind:

it's true, you should not me using a 2.6.18, you should revert to 2.6.17

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davidsmind:

ivtv doesn't support 2.6.18 yet

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davidsmind:

officially

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darkdrgn2k:

davidsmind: but 2.6.18 is the only one that supports my DVB card :(

[14:28:46]

t00m:

stuarta: 7676 doesn't build

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darkdrgn2k:

here is a wierd part: i wentr inot the 2.6.13 and did a "/" search for tda and it didnt find it iethr

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darkdrgn2k:

uhh tda9887

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stuarta:

Juski: do you remember the good nvidia versions?

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stuarta:

after 7676

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Juski:

stuarta: no idea. I don't remember ever upgrading.. ever

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darkdrgn2k:

i THINKG tda9886 is a i2c moidule

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darkdrgn2k:

tuner 0–0061: chip found @ 0xc2 (ivtv i2c driver #0)

[14:35:51]

darkdrgn2k:

ivtv0: Failed to load module tda9887

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Juski:

it's a tuner module but won't appear til you have i2c enabled I think

[14:39:08]

darkdrgn2k:

i think i2c is enabled

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janneg:

stuarta: 8762 works here without opengl-vsync (you have to enable it in configure)

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darkdrgn2k:

i just checked the .config file of my kernel 2.6.16 (one that had the module) and tda is not listed ther

[14:41:13]

stuarta:

janneg: see t00m's pastebin above. Driver issue?

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darkdrgn2k:

i just checked the .config file of my kernel 2.6.16 (one that had the module) and tda is not listed ther

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t00m:

stuarta: i was just guessing that it's the driver

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t00m:

before I even had the bt

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stuarta:

t00m: it's quite likely. crashes as soon as it attempt to start the X stuff

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t00m:

the gui actually shows for a fraction of a sec

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darkdrgn2k:

any one havce any idea :-S

[14:45:58]

janneg:

t00m: I'm not sure, if it's an driver issue. what card do you use?

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t00m:

nvidia fx5200

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janneg:

I would first try to downgrade the driver, the newer versions have maybe a bug in handling older cards

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stuarta:

Tronic_: you need to use the scanner to populate the channel information

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t00m:

well, mplayer works on X

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stuarta:

otherwise eit scanning can't find the channels being referenced in the data

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janneg:

also with xvmc?

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Tronic_:

stuarta: Ok.. I'll try that.

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stuarta:

Tronic_: it's not a bug, there just isn't the required information in the channels.conf

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stuarta:

things like this should be discussed here, and if necessary the development discussion will be done in #mythtv

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lupin_sansei:

How do I deleted an unwanted Recording Profile I made from myth?

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madfactor:

Does anyone here, not use transcoding?

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jams:

lupin_sansei- pressing the m key should bring up a menu for you

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lupin_sansei:

jams: ah thanks

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madfactor:

anyone here offer help with transcoding?

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lupin_sansei:

So I am trying to set up an experimental schedule while records a show everyday, flags for commercials and then does a lossless transcoding to remove commericals. I changed my "high quality" recording profile to enable auto-transcode, and then set my "high quality" transcoder to lossless transcoding. Finally I set my schedule to use that recording profile, and transcoder, and enabled auto-flag for commercials and auto-transcod

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lupin_sansei:

madfactor: I have been fiddling with it today, ask away

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madfactor:

All of a sudden, my transcodes look blocky.

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madfactor:

And I have no idea why, I didn't change anything.

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lupin_sansei:

hmmm

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lupin_sansei:

what are you transcoding from and to?

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madfactor:

I am recording my MPEG2 stream in 640x480 with IVTV on PVR_150.

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madfactor:

I am transcoding to MPEG4 with motion comp flags, no res resizing.

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lupin_sansei:

does the 150 encode straight to mpeg2?

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madfactor:

Yes.

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lupin_sansei:

out of the card I mean?

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madfactor:

Yes... hardware mpeg2 encoder.

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lupin_sansei:

okay, same as me kind of except it's DVB and comes over the air as mpeg2, same difference though as I end up with an mpeg2 file automatically

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madfactor:

yes

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lupin_sansei:

what's the quality like from an analogue tuner?

[15:03:37]

madfactor:

It is average...

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lupin_sansei:

grainy?

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madfactor:

It looks good enough...

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madfactor:

Not really.

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lupin_sansei:

just to rub it in DVB looks amazing, like a DVD in standard def

[15:04:54]

madfactor:

Hmmmmm.

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lupin_sansei:

is it blocky as in lower-res, or is it like when you lose bandwith on a stream and random/unpredictable?

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regicide666:

I have 2 pvr150s and they are not blocky at all

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madfactor:

The recording isn't blocky.

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regicide666:

what do you use to get tv into the pvr150

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Juski:

I expect there'll just be rubbishy macroblock effects coming in as a result of the transcode

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pipedream:

any of you ever get a transcoding error? I can't seem to transcode

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madfactor:

The TRANSCODING makes it blocky.

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Juski:

pipedream: try setting up a transcoding profile

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pipedream:

Juski: Could you point me to a wiki that helps to explain how to do that?

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madfactor:

Was just wanting some pointers on the trancoding.

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regicide666:

oh sorry I do not do any transcoding

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lupin_sansei:

Anyone see my question? Can I get myth to auto flag commericals and transcode losslessly automatically for a particular schedule that way?

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Juski:

pipedream: it's easy. go into the recording profiles setting page & select 'transcoders'

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Juski:

lupin_sansei: you really don't want to do that. seriously

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pipedream:

Juski: Okay, I'll try it now. Thanks man.

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lupin_sansei:

Juski: Does it go badly?

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Juski:

lupin_sansei: commercial flagging sometimes gets it wrong

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lupin_sansei:

Juski: The reason I want to do it is that at the moment I am watching the mpeg2 files on a Windows (I know!) machine through media player classic

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Juski:

I wouldn't want half a show I've not seen yet to go missing automagically

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lupin_sansei:

Juski: So the commerical detection isn't that great is it?

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regicide666:

its pretty good but not perfect

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Juski:

it depends on the source material & the methods you choose to let myth use

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lupin_sansei:

I am using DVB so the source quality is very high

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Juski:

no it depends on how the tv channel goes to ad breaks

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regicide666:

I have still gotten screwed up comercial flaggs in dvb

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lupin_sansei:

it fades to black

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Juski:

channels with onscreen logos that disappear for the breaks work best IMHO

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Juski:

ahh well – in the UK there is hardly EVER a fade to black. there are hard cuts & crossfades into adbreaks

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Juski:

not forgetting some channels that leave their logo on thru the adverts

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lupin_sansei:

ok

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Juski:

all I'm saying is, it's not infallible. don't rely on it or you could end up disappointed

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lupin_sansei:

okay, this is just for a laugh in my daily Simpsons recording, so I'll give it a whirl

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Aid`:

man oh man

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lupin_sansei:

.. but technically if I just tick auto-flag and auto-transcode myth knows to do the commerical flagging before the transcoding doesn't it

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lupin_sansei:

Juski: have you managed to find a method to reliably flag your commericals?

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Juski:

nobody has

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Juski:

not 100% reliably anyway

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Juski:

I tend not to record much from commercial channels anyway :D

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Aid`:

what do you record then?

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lupin_sansei:

yeah me too, just a handful of shows

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Juski:

there's f*** all I want to watch on commercial channels

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lupin_sansei:

we have one channel in Australia that only has commericals between programmes not in them. I wish they all did that

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pipedream:

Juski: I selected set up a MPEG2 profile name, do I have to do anything else for it to transcode now?

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lupin_sansei:

I am addicted to the US Office and Curb Your Enthusiam

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Juski:

I missed out on 'Curb'. I think I'll really like it

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lupin_sansei:

if you liked Seinfeld you'll love it

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madfactor:

Juski, what settings to you recommend for transcoding?

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Juski:

as for The Orifice.. anything by Ricky Gervais is ermm... (shite)

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lupin_sansei:

I like Extras too

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Juski:

liked Seinfeld? Oh I won't bother then

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lupin_sansei:

Pheonix Nights

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Aid`:

im having trouble compiling mythtv with xvmc enabled, can some one help me?

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Juski:

madfactor: I don't recommend anything other than lossless transcoding. mpeg4 transcodes to good quality are timeconsuming

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lupin_sansei:

Juski: It's like Seinfeld but they have extracted the commerical/lightweightness of it. Curb = Sienfeld – Friends

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Juski:

ahhh

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madfactor:

I have a special backend that does my transcode processing.

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Juski:

started watching '4400' the other night. what a crock!

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lupin_sansei:

yeah

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Aid`:

don't like it?

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lupin_sansei:

stupid

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Juski:

BSG is gash too

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Aid`:

smallville is good

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lupin_sansei:

I have suprisingly got into Spooks

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Juski:

really liking 'respectable' though

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lupin_sansei:

I know it's corny but it's on at midnight on a Monday and I like to watch it in the dark, adds to the drama

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Juski:

(sitcom set in a brothel)

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Juski:

when does 24 start back up?

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Juski:

january or something, I last heard...

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Aid`:

no one watches smallville?

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lupin_sansei:

My wife does!

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Aid`:

goodshow huh?

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lupin_sansei:

chick crap

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lupin_sansei:

just kidding I never watched it

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Juski:

like the OC... lol

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Aid`:

smallville is CRAP? superman rules

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lupin_sansei:

too many relationship issues in both of them

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Juski:

yup

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lupin_sansei:

just give me those 3 evil people from Superman 2

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pipedream:

Anyone: where do the resulting transcoded files appear?

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lupin_sansei:

pipedream: same place as normal

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Juski:

pipedream: in place of the original recorded file usually

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pipedream:

what happens to the original file?

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lupin_sansei:

Speaking of relationship issues I watched the new Battlestar the other day. Give me a break

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lupin_sansei:

pipedream: gets deleted

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pipedream:

nice!

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pipedream:

Thanks!

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lupin_sansei:

no worries

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D-side:

"give me a break" ?

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Aid`:

yeah lupin_sanseiit would be nicer if they just had more action and less relationship things

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Juski:

it's a cylon soap opera

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D-side:

and i love it.

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lupin_sansei:

Anyone old enough to remember how cool the cylons in the 80s ones voices were?

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D-side:

i'm old enough to remember what utter crap the original one was. :)

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lupin_sansei:

yeah but the cheesiness of it

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lupin_sansei:

I was 10 when it first came out

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D-side:

made it utter crap.

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Aid`:

I can't install xvmc mpeg2 decoder

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Juski:

Bravo are showing Buck Rogers these days

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lupin_sansei:

cool

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D-side:

Juski: that was crap too, but erin gray was amazing. :)

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Juski:

Aid`: you need the xvmc-dev stuff

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lupin_sansei:

I got back into Blake's 7 recently

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lupin_sansei:

I forgot how annoying Twiki was

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lupin_sansei:

"blblblblblb Sure thing boss!"

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Juski:

Blake's 7 was okay but for that seriously annoying pompous twat Orac

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lupin_sansei:

don't forget Blake

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lupin_sansei:

Avon and Servalan made it worth watching

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Aid`:

who watches harry potter movies here?

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Juski:

anybody looking fwd to 'torchwood' ? I don't expect it to last long

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Aid`:

Juski: Your search – xvmc-dev – did not match any documents.

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lupin_sansei:

Torchwood, what is that? The name rings a bell

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Juski:

lupin_sansei: dr who spin-off

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lupin_sansei:

ok

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lupin_sansei:

We just started getting the latest series in Oz

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lupin_sansei:

the one with Casanova as the dr

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Juski:

Aid`: did not match any documents? erm... you need the package man

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lupin_sansei:

The Path to 9/11 is one here now. Interesting how Clinton didn't take the chances to take out Bin Laden he had

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Juski:

(allegedly)

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Aid`:

Juski: xlibs-static-dev – X Window System client library development files <-- is that sufficient

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lupin_sansei:

I haven't actually watched it yet as it's on now, we'll see

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Juski:

Aid`: no

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lupin_sansei:

Juski: what part of the UK are you from? I used to be a Brit up until the early 90s

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Juski:

as for all the 9/11 stuff.. there's too many versions of 'the truth' to fully know what's what

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Juski:

lupin_sansei: originally from near Newcastle upon Tyne, now living in the rainy city of Manchester

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D-side:

tomorrow CNN is going to be replaying the days events on pipeline

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lupin_sansei:

Juski: Cool. I lived in Swansea, Nottingham, Weston Super Mare and Morecambe

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lupin_sansei:

Juski: Was watching Shameless today. That's from your neck of the woods ;)

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Juski:

heh. I like Shameless. just glad I live far enough away from the estates where folk are actually like that for real though

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lupin_sansei:

Juski: I miss some of the things of Northern England, chip butties with gravy for one

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lupin_sansei:

My wife being an Aussie needs the subtitles on for Shameless and Rab C. Nesbitt

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Juski:

heh. well it's time to go watch some mythtv :)

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lupin_sansei:

later

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halcyon:

what's up #mythtv-users

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nordle:

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pikhq:

Hey. . . I'm getting a (somewhat minor) issue with MythTV's queries to MySQL. . .

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pikhq:

Let me just pastebin it.

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pikhq:

http://pastebin.ca/166122

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halcyon:

eat Aquagel at the wharf.

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halcyon:

Purgatory (75)

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halcyon:

wha? sorry, wrong paste

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pikhq:

Hmm?

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pikhq:

Well, if nobody's got any clue, at least it's a minor annoyance rather than a problem which permanently breaks my MythTV setup. . .

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snecklifter:

pikhq, thats a mysql driver problem so perhaps try there first?

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pikhq:

snecklifter: So. . . MySQL can't store that specific query, but can store any other? . . . Weird.

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jams:

pikhq- which version of mysql and mythtv?

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GreyFoxx:

You couldalways google for the error "Got error 124 from storage engine"

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pikhq:

mysql Ver 14.7 Distrib 4.1.21, for pc-linux-gnu (x86_64) using readline 5.1

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pikhq:

Library API version: 0.19.20060121–2

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Servo888:

Ok you guys – Good morning everybody :-)

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Servo888:

well no it's afternoon now...

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kleptophobiac2:

depending on time zone

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kleptophobiac2:

you must be EST

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t00m:

cya dudes

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Servo888:

Anyways I had a question! My tuner card has an fm tuner... I know there are no mythtv extensions (afaik). But I'm interested in finding a way to stream the fm stream (while not being used) over the web. I'm curious if mythtv will be smasrt enough to put the tuner back into tv mode... Basically I need fm during the day and tv mode during the night.

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Servo888:

It's a pv-150 low profile.

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Servo888:

pvr*

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ShockValue:

.20 .20?! :)

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halcyon:

not yet apparently?

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kleptophobiac2:

word is that it'll be later on tonight (EST)

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scopeuk:

thats what was said on the dev lsit yesterday

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Dagmar:

Yay

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frank_:

been using mythtv for over a week now. I like it very much.

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frank_:

The backend is automatically started when my computer boots right?

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GreyFoxx:

frank_: If you have an initscript running at boot it will

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ShockValue:

if you tell your OS to do so

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ShockValue:

like for gentoo, you have to do "rc-update add mythbackend default"

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frank_:

GreyFoxx: yeah I'm pretty sure the debian package installs a script

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Dagmar:

If the package is broken up into front and backend packages, it should be a reasonable assumption that if you installed the backend at all, that it should probably be started

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frank_:

I have an intergrated sound card which has a line out, speaker out and mic in. I'm pretty sure the mic jack can do output as well (in order to connect a 5.1 system) How would I send the mythtv sound to this output and keep all the other sounds going to the line out and speaker jacks. Where could I find info on this?

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Dagmar:

You poke at ALSA documentation and pray

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frank_:

Dagmar: ok ;)

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Dagmar:

You don't really get to send output to a specific port

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frank_:

Dagmar: hmm... http://www.alsa-project.org/ seems to be down

[16:52:23]

Dagmar:

What you *do* get is the ability to turn it on

[16:52:40]

Dagmar:

...and then from there you get to be an ALSA guru to get it to route audio to arbitrary outputs

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Dagmar:

Looks like you're boned for now then

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Zider:

frank_: it's STILL down? dammit..

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frank_:

Zider: has it been down for long?

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Dagmar:

Their docs are mirrored, um, all over the intarwebs

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Zider:

frank_: several days

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frank_:

ok

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scopeuk:

desent alsa-mixer (the gui app) have controls for actiating secondary and tertiary audio outputs

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scopeuk:

like is done on this system

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Dagmar:

The console mixer has the ability to do that

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Dagmar:

It's just very terse and non-obvious

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scopeuk:

yeh its tickboxesin preferences in gui iirc

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frank_:

Dagmar: alsamixer?

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nordle:

mmm, was thinking about nova-t 500, but I keep seeing people say it does not work well in poor reception areas. Can anyone recommend a card (dvb-t) which does work well in poor reception areas? Thanks.

[17:07:25]

Tronic_:

WinFast DTV Dongle is cheap and works well here.

[17:08:00]

Tronic_:

The support for that is not in the kernel yet, though. Have to use v4l-dvb development version.

[17:08:12]

Tronic_:

It will probably be in 2.6.19.

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jstew:

Hi.

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Tronic_:

Probably not in .18 yet.

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jstew:

what should I pass to ./configure if I want the best possible performance out of a celeron prescott core? I have --enable-proc-opt and --arch=prescott

[17:10:21]

jstew:

In my makefiles i have -Di386, which seems wrong...

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nordle:

Thanks Tronic_ will have a look, I was after dual dvb, but I think getting 2 devices is best, as dual cards seem to have problems.

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Dagmar:

ACK

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Tronic_:

nordle: These beasts are tiny and most machines have too many USB 2.0 ports anyway :)

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Tronic_:

Active hubs should work fine too, as a transport only takes about 20 Mbit/s.

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Zider:

Tronic_: I don't have enough.. only 10.. :(

[17:20:04]

Zider:

;)

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Tronic_:

The device uses quite a bit of power, so you don't want to use passive hubs.

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jstew:

Anyone know how to fix this?: I just upgraded my nvidia drivers and xorg from 6.8 to 7: xvmc_render.h:13:36: X11/extensions/XvMClib.h: No such file or directory

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Zider:

jstew: what nvidia version?

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jstew:

8762

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Zider:

jstew: 8774 supports xorg 7.1

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jstew:

Ah, ok

[17:26:46]

Zider:

if that's what you're using

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Zider:

7.0 should work with older tho

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jstew:

I'm using 7.0

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Zider:

mkay

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jstew:

Hmm i have an XvMC.h, no XvMClib.h

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Juski:

nordle: I'd imagine you've not seen the stuff about the nova-t 500 not working in linux then...

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** Juski throws his PoS windows machine outta the window **

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Juski:

"this program is not responding".. yeah, oh really? Fuck you Sony Vegas!

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** Juski regains his composure **

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Zider:

Fony Segas

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Juski:

give it its fair dues.. it crashes less than a demo of Adobe Premiere I tried

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Juski:

pardon me for trying to multitask though

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nordle:

Juski: I've read a lot of stuff saying it didn't work up until 1mth ago, but there are now drivers in v4l cvs snapshot, but I was put off by people saying their old nova gets 60 channels and the new one gets on 20!

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Juski:

nordle: a post on the v4l list from a few days ago or so said it needed to be cleaned up etc to be put into a snapshot

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Juski:

I dunno how useful those dual tuner cards are anyway.. since they're basically 2 USB tuners with a USB bridge chip on a PCI card

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nordle:

Juski: Its in the snapshot I downloaded today...... got to go for food :) compro t200 looks good, and cheap too :) or maybe winfast dtv1000.... brb.

[17:47:32]

Juski:

the dtv1000 – I have its predecessor & I have no complaints

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xris:

wow. mythtv actually competes really well with the tivo series 3 pricewise. $800, damn.

[17:52:17]

Juski:

lol

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jstew:

wow, that was gay. I had to pull down the XvMClib.h header file from the xorg cvs cause it was not included in xorg 7.0, a least in gentoo.

[17:52:48]

Juski:

how much do you charge yourself an hour (day, week, month) for labour though?

[17:53:27]

Zider:

jstew: did you install both xorg and nvidia-driver thru portage?

[17:53:34]

jstew:

yes I did zider

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Zider:

hmm.. me too..

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Zider:

didn't get that problem

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jstew:

But i did get it working. I'll probably emerge 7.1 just to see if it's there.

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Zider:

I'm running xorg 7.0 and latest nvidia-driver here

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jstew:

Well it's compiling at least...

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jstew:

If it's not included then it's xorg, not nvidia's fault.

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xris:

Juski: I don't count that. I don't want to deal with the depression it would cause.

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xris:

then again, my work on mythtv helps me keep my job.

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Zider:

jstew: well then your installation must've been faulty because I didn't get any complaints about it :)

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xris:

and it's found one minion, and possibly another (depending on the other applicants and how he interviews)

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janneg:

jstew: it's part of libXvMC

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jstew:

Hmm... xorg-x11 7.0-r1

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janneg:

jstew: xorg is splitted into many small packets

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jstew:

All the other XvMC headers are there, even XvMCpro, just not XvMClib.h

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janneg:

libXvMC is one of them and it's not installed by default

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jstew:

Really... I'll emrge that then

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janneg:

XvMCpro is a different packet

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Juski:

hrm. this machine really isn't very well. CPU feels really hot

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jstew:

I'm wondering why all the other xvmc stuff is there. The existence of all the other xvmc stuff played a head trick on me

[18:00:05]

jstew:

well janneg, youre correct. the library is not installed

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Dagmar:

Juski: Stop taking the heat sink off to touch it to see if it's hot then

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jstew:

will I have to reemerge the nvidia drivers after installing the xvmc libs?

[18:01:36]

janneg:

i don't think so

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jstew:

thanks for your help janneg

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e4:

I think I need to recompile my kernel to disable preemptive kernel locking, but I'm not sure where it is..

[18:09:37]

e4:

would it be under kernel hacking?

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jstew:

if you cant find it maybe you can edit the .config file directly and search for PREEMP

[18:12:56]

Juski:

wow. this 2800XP isn't doing anything at all yet it's 57'C

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jstew:

Hmm... so, LCD or plasma? I'm thinking LCD.

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Juski:

5v rail is dipping too low under load. aha! need a beefier PSU

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e4:

juski, the XP's run very very hot

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Juski:

e4: I know... my machine has been rebooting under heavy loads & I've just been investigating why

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Juski:

the CPU is hot but well within spec

[18:18:41]

e4:

well, 57c is pushing limits for sure

[18:19:00]

Juski:

I thought the limit for XPs was like 70'C

[18:19:40]

e4:

heh if you're basically idling and at 60C already :)

[18:20:03]

e4:

the hotter it gets the more power it'll take to run, too

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Juski:

ah it's 85c maximum

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Juski:

the 5V rail was dropping to below 4.75V under load

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Juski:

hence the reboots I reckon

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e4:

are you running a stock heatsink?

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Juski:

yup

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e4:

heh, that's most of your problem :)

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Juski:

I don't think heat's the issue, not if the 5V rail is dipping that much

[18:22:08]

e4:

like $20 at newegg will get you a zalman will get you the best pc upgrade ever, get a good zalman cooler and your pc will be almost silent

[18:22:17]

e4:

whoops, lol

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Juski:

hang on.. the Vcore doesn't come off the 5V rail does it?

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scopeuk:

derived from 5v rail

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Zider:

funny how everyone keeps bashing intel for making such hot cpu's.. then I hear about AMD's running much hotter.. :)

[18:24:25]

scopeuk:

a good mobo will be able to compensate to a large degre though

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scopeuk:

they do now

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keescook:

anyone know ways to speed up the guide? It takes like 10–15 seconds between page-downs. :( I've tried contrib/optimize_mythdb.pl, but it had to change.

[18:24:46]

keescook:

s/to/no

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e4:

zider that's because the last batch of Intel chips had something crazy like a 50+% core loss

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Zider:

e4: "core loss"?

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e4:

meh, can't find any articles on it now but they had over 50% of the power being fed the cpu going straight to heat

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e4:

it's called core leakage or something

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jstew:

interesting.

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Zider:

e4: ahh, you mean prescott & co? :)

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e4:

heh I never really cared for intel processors and it's been over a year since I read stuff about it but I think that was it

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Zider:

prescott was the last of the netburst cpus

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Zider:

and the cpu I had before this one ;)

[18:37:25]

Zider:

but it still wasn't as hot as many people says their amd's are running

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e4:

yeah, Intel didn't fix the problem just kept upping their power requirements

[18:38:17]

e4:

I don't know, with a cheap heatsink my 3200 runs at maybe 10F above ambiant

[18:38:31]

Zider:

I have no idea what F is in C

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e4:

it all depends upon what you've got cooling it :)

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e4:

F is 9/5ths of a C :)

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Zider:

uhh.. :P

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e4:

er backwards :)

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Zider:

why can't people get with the program and use celsius? :P

[18:39:47]

Zider:

and that is ambient in F?

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e4:

~37C

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Dagmar:

Because it makes the degrees all fat

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e4:

:P

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Zider:

e4: idle or under load?

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e4:

it goes up maybe 5 under full load

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Zider:

"cheap heatsink" being the one that comes with ehe cpu or..?

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Zider:

the

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e4:

hey Dagmar, I hate to bug you again, do you happen to remember where the preemptive kernel locking options were in your kernel?

[18:41:42]

e4:

zider, like a $20 Zalman

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Zider:

ah

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Zider:

I had a zalman too.. had about the same temp.. maybe 1–2 C above..

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Zider:

e4: Processor type and features

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e4:

ah, sweet :)

[18:42:52]

e4:

thanks!

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Zider:

np :)

[18:43:14]

e4:

yeah, that really makes a difference

[18:43:25]

e4:

the stock fans, especially on the amd's are pretty much total crap

[18:43:29]

Zider:

my current cpu is at 35c with stock cooler running "silent mode"

[18:43:46]

Zider:

yeah, same with intel.. exceptthis one is pretty OK

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e4:

lol what the crap

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e4:

my kernel is compiled with pentium pro for my processor... it's a duron!

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Zider:

it goes yup to 38c under full load :D

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Zider:

hehe

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Zider:

I love this cpu

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Zider:

gonna marry it

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Zider:

and have litte gpus with it

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e4:

mine's actually a bit hot because I don't use AC, and it's in a HTPC case with no fan's other than it

[18:45:35]

e4:

terrible airflow

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Zider:

hehe

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e4:

the XP's were the hottest processors of my time, I think

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Zider:

I've only had intels

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e4:

hm...

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e4:

grr, I hate doing this, I have to recompile the kernel now and put it in my /boot dir don't I?

[18:47:18]

Zider:

yes

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e4:

they need to fix this stuff or Mythtv will always be forced out by MS

[18:47:55]

Zider:

what stuff?

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Ribs:

e4, You having problems with your kernel is nothing to do with MythTV

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e4:

well, default kernel with ivtv drivers and an hauppauge tuner

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Zider:

default kernel </3

[18:49:47]

e4:

I mean it's not that terrible to figure out, but if someone new to linux approaches it, it's such a huge turnoff. Too bad because Mythtv is absolutely awesome

[18:50:41]

Zider:

then it's a linux problem, not a mythtv problem

[18:50:44]

Ribs:

hence we have things like knoppmyth

[18:50:55]

Ribs:

someone just needs to make a really good distro just for mythtv

[18:51:00]

Ribs:

well, I say "just"

[18:51:03]

Ribs:

it ain't that easy

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e4:

right, heh

[18:51:49]

Zider:

well, you can always make an install script for gentoo that installs whatever is needed..

[18:51:51]

e4:

well actually part of the problem is the huge number of distro's honestly

[18:52:01]

Ribs:

no, it's not

[18:52:13]

Ribs:

the problem is the huge amounts of hardware, and where people live

[18:52:26]

Ribs:

you make a distro which works with DVB-T cards in the UK... that won't work too well in the US...

[18:52:42]

Ribs:

even with the same hardware, the same box in another country may not work

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e4:

imagine that you're never used linux before and you're interested in starting, where do you start? The net is full of conflicting reports bad advice, snobbish linux users and a dizzying amount of arcane information

[18:53:55]

Ribs:

oh yes, this is true

[18:54:06]

Ribs:

but 'too many distros' isn't the issue

[18:54:24]

e4:

not to someone that knows, and this probably is not the goal

[18:55:35]

Ribs:

tbh, the majority of people who will use Windows MCE will just to into PCWorld or something and buy it

[18:55:37]

e4:

I dunno, I just think of people that buy brandname stuff for their whole lives and then does a total 180 when entering the open-source world

[18:55:44]

Ribs:

I can't anyone wanting to build their own Windows MCE box

[18:55:47]

Dagmar:

Oh but the newbies always complain LOUDLY when they find out that there's no way to determine what they'll want

[18:55:55]

Dagmar:

...not without them actually LEARNING a whole lot about Linux

[18:55:56]

Ribs:

actually, with all the hardware certification bullshit, it would be pretty difficult

[18:56:19]

Dagmar:

You would think they were being asked to produce samples of their own testicular tissues

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Ribs:

so the only people who would even attempt to build a mythtv box will be people that know better than to use MCE

[18:56:38]

Ribs:

ie. geeks

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e4:

Dunno Ribs :)

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Dagmar:

Ribs: There's also another group you're overlooking.

[18:57:00]

Dagmar:

"Cheap bastards".

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e4:

I tried to get my Hauppauge card going with knoppmyth about a year ago, it frusterated me enough that I gave up on linux totally, heh

[18:57:29]

Ribs:

but these cheap bastards would probably know their kernel from their glib to even know mythtv exists...

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Dagmar:

Nope

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Dagmar:

Stay in here a few weeks and you'll see that's not necessarily true

[18:57:53]

Ribs:

I get that some people will slip though, find out about mythtv

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Ribs:

but the majority will have at least some clue about *nix

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Dagmar:

You can spot them trying to get someone to help them modify lirc so they can use their coat hanger and spare camera flashbulb as a transciever

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Ribs:

lol

[18:58:37]

Ribs:

I had a really cool idea today for mythtv

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Dagmar:

...not having any idea how anything works, and not caring that what they're wanting makes zero sense when $20 would just solve the problem

[18:58:45]

Ribs:

well, as ideas for me go, it was a cool idea

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Ribs:

Internet radio, via my mythtv box

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e4:

it's not really about knowledge imo, it's the ability to comprehend what is needed and the ability to approach problems, but that takes trial and error and people that are coming from Windows don't have it

[18:59:16]

** Ribs is gonna cobble something together now **

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e4:

cobble me some pie!

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Ribs:

but I'm gonna cheat, and just use a webpage and view it through mythbrowser :)

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e4:

hm... will the process used for FC3 be the same as FC5 when compiling a kernel?

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Ribs:

I don't get why people use Fedora for mythtv

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Ribs:

or even Gentoo

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** Ribs just used a minimal Ubuntu install, was up and running (the second time around, thanks to a dodgey HD) in about an hour **

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e4:

I use Fedora because it's what I'm familiar with and I have no desire to get FCGI + Apache running upon a different distro :P

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Ribs:

:)

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Ribs:

yeah dude, go for it

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Ribs:

use what you know I guess

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e4:

fcgi is the ultimate test of patience, lol

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e4:

I thought about going to knoppmyth, but isin't it pretty much a minimal install?

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nordle:

I vaguely rememer people used to say "MS make crap software, but good hardware". I think this is vaguely true based on the few pieces I've owned. My question, would you recommend using the MS MCE 2005 remote with mythtv instead of whatever came as standard (if at all) with your card?

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Dagmar:

If they made Microsoft Penis, would you buy it?

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Dagmar:

The answers are probably the same.

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nordle:

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nordle:

Dagmar: Stop smoking whatever it is your smoking, you've had too much my friend ;)

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Dagmar:

nordle: Hey man, think about it

[19:18:29]

nordle:

Dagmar: I would not buy a penis from ANYWHERE

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Dagmar:

If people are going to go to that much trouble to build a non-MS media center, are they really going to want the microsoft logo on their Magic Control Wand

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e4:

I think the point of Mythtv for a lot of people is 1. cheap, 2. no DRM

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e4:

not as much a vendetta against MS :)

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jenn`:

I can't seem to get sound to work with mythtv. I've tried ALSA:default along with ALSA:hw:0,0 (and the other numbers listed in aplay -l) . would someone mind helping me out?

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e4:

and by a lot of people, I mean me.

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nordle:

I think it would be pretty ironic though, having a ms remote. Im not a zealot, I use linux platform because its sooooo good, not because its cheap. If MS make a damn good remote, which a lot of people are saying is true, then I've got no problem with buying that. I'd rather MS got good sales from good product, than continue to produce crap.

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regicide666:

The box I have mythtv on came with MCE and all I can say is MCE sucks

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regicide666:

I could not have differn't channels on my differn't cards

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nordle:

so is there a _quality_ remote that people like to use? or just stick with whatever came with hardware device (if any)?

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regicide666:

Like I have analog cable in one and digital in the other and that would not work

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Dagmar:

nordle: One4All makes a *lot* of remotes

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regicide666:

I use the hauppauge remote only because I have it and I could not get my ATI remote working in linux

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nordle:

Dagmar: ok, thanks, I'll look into them.

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nordle:

I have hauppage, but I think lirc needs devfs, which has been removed in 2.6.18

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Dagmar:

nordle: They even make one specifically for PVRs

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Dagmar:

lirc doesn't need devfs

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Dagmar:

yech

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regicide666:

why does the kernel keep changing so much

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Dagmar:

PROGRESS

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nordle:

oh, ok, thats weird as it wont compile on my box and sais "linux/devfs_fs_kernel.h: No such file or directory"

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Dagmar:

You told it something weird, like that you didnt' want it using udev or something

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regicide666:

but from 16 to 17 to 18 everything is breaking

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Dagmar:

No, software from slow developers is breaking because things are improving

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Dagmar:

...and you shouldn't use rc kernels and expect them to be totally sane

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nordle:

Dagmar: just a "./configure --prefix=/usr/local --with-driver=all && make && make install"

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Dagmar:

THAT's why you're getting breakage with 2.6.18, foo

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Dagmar:

Use 2.6.17.13 already

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regicide666:

I have not touched 18 but I had problems with 17

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regicide666:

so I will stick with 16

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Dagmar:

...and don't complain about changes that might have happened _yesterday_ causing breakage

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Dagmar:

Well, it compiles fine with 2.6.17.11 ad 2.6.17.9

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nordle:

Dagmar: Im using 2.6.18 because of alsa hda driver, didn't work in 17, does in 18.

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Dagmar:

The what what what driver?

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nordle:

Dagmar: Intel hda, hi-def sound

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Dagmar:

Oh

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Dagmar:

Another triumph of just buying a SBLive! card

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Dagmar:

It "just works"

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nordle:

:)

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aib:

will I need an hd-3000/5000 tuner card if I just want to record/watch non-hdtv comcast shows?

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nordle:

Dagmar: I was thinking about getting creative sound blaster xfi, oem price is not too bad now.

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Dagmar:

aib: Not if you can stuff the coax directly into the back of your TV

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Dagmar:

So long as they're sending a "normal" cable signal, like a "normal" non-HD TV takes, you don't need an HD tuner

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Dagmar:

I'm baffled why you think you'd need one

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aib:

because i don't know anything about this stuff, yet. i was reading the hardware faq

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aib:

tx!

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aib:

so in that case, something like the "ATI TV Wonder" should be sufficient?

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Dagmar:

If you can get Linux drivers for it

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Dagmar:

Personally, I say avoid framegrabber cards like the plague

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aib:

what would you recommend instead?

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Dagmar:

For regular broadcast TV and cable Hauppauge pretty much has the field locked

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Dagmar:

You want something with hardware accellerated encoding

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Dagmar:

mpeg video is cheap, mp4/divx a little less so

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Dagmar:

...just so long as the CPU isnt' having to do the encoding

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Dagmar:

The PVR-150's probably the ideal one for people who only want one tuner, the PVR-500 for two tuners

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Dagmar:

The PVR-350 if you're cramped for space and can't stick a video card in your machine

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Dagmar:

...since it has s-video out on it as well, the others don't

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aib:

awesome, thanks for the tips, Dagmar

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jenn`:

I can't seem to get sound to work with mythtv. using ALSA:default produces the error "WriteAudio: buffer underrun". anyone mind helping me with this?

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Kyler:

A few files in my /var/lib/mysql/mysql were corrupted but I have an old backup. Everything in mythconverg appears to be o.k. so can I just overwrite the mysql/ files and return to operation?

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Hoxzer:

http://koti.mbnet.fi/jukiz/cb/goodbadidea21tl.jpg <- is this baad?

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D-side:

anyone live in jersey? i've got a bttv card i don't want, and anyone can just take it

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naegling23:

question, F is supposed to change video quality, but it does nothing for me, was this changed?

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naegling23:

im just asking, cause I have tv set up and running, but there are some serious audio/visual quality issues that I cant seem to solve

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xris:

naegling23: fix it in the recording profile

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naegling23:

is that under mythtv-setup, or under the setup options under the main program?

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xris:

frontend

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naegling23:

ok, so I see the settings for recording profile, but how does this help my video settings? Im trying to adjust brightness/contrast

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xris:

you said "video quality", I assumed you meant, well, quality.

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xris:

brightness/etc is done via G, not F

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xris:

or M for the menu, then pick the settings you want (while watching the recording or live tv)

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Anduin:

naegling23: You need to enable xv picture controls for F to work

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naegling23:

its getting better now

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naegling23:

so when I changed the quality, I saw default high low and live settings, is there a way to flip between the 3?

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naegling23:

or 4 I mean

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xris:

naegling23: not for livetv, no.

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naegling23:

ok, thanks

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Juski:

Ribs: you must've missed Eskil's shoutcast patch for mythmusic then

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Juski:

can anyone see tenterhooks? :-P

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briand:

if they're palpable enough, I suppose.

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Juski:

I'm a little tired of the programme guide taking ages to load on my frontend box. anything I should be looking out for?

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briand:

define "ages"

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Juski:

>30 seconds

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briand:

hmm. that does seem a bit long...

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briand:

optimized your database lately?

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Juski:

actually no

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briand:

probably couldn't hurt.

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Juski:

here goes...

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Juski:

it's pretty much untrimmed in erm... almost 2 years to the very day

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briand:

well, the old listings are purged every day (or everytime you run mythfilldatabase, anyway), so there shouldn't be much 'deadwood' around...

[21:45:54]

briand:

but, it's possible there's a rogue index pointer hanging around that's slowing things down a bit

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Juski:

ahh but it loads up pretty damn fast when I run mythfrontend on the backend

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briand:

i'm seeing all sorts of nifty things I'm going to want to (eventually) put in my MythTV box (version II)

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briand:

hmm.

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briand:

how are the two systems communicating?

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Juski:

100base ethernet

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briand:

and, is there a difference between loading the guide and loading the OSD guide while video is running?

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Juski:

pretty much the same.. both interminable

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briand:

video would be the priority... and that might cause other traffic on the network to suffer a tad

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Juski:

just timed it.. 30 seconds

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briand:

100-base-T should be plenty fast enough for just listings data...

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Juski:

yup

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Juski:

my s100 frontend is super fast

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briand:

how is it on just plain file copies, etc?

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briand:

(the network)

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Juski:

cp -g reckons about 9MB/sec

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briand:

given rather negligible times for fetching/organizing the data... I should think 2 seconds for a rather hefty channel listings table, then

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briand:

umm... don't take this the wrong way, but... have you tried it with the default theme and seen the same delay?

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briand:

perhaps it's a rendering problem on that page...

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Juski:

I'll try a different theme

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briand:

incidentally, I meant to say that I like your (new, sorta) theme. I don't mind blue, myself, but it is refreshing to have a nice, sleek alternative to run... :)

[21:58:19]

briand:

when i grow tired of the one i've been hacking on (to keep it 'up to date' with reality, and adding in things that should've been there to begin with), I'll put grayhem on for a bit of a change.

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Juski:

can't see it being the theme though

[22:01:35]

briand:

nor I... but the db isn't slow, the transport isn't slow.. what's left? displaying the data

[22:02:06]

Juski:

it takes 35 secs to load, then just goes 'boom' & it's all there suddenly

[22:02:22]

Juski:

navigating around the guide is slow too though

[22:02:46]

briand:

is this with grayhem, or with another theme as well?

[22:02:57]

Juski:

same with mythcenter too

[22:03:05]

briand:

hmm. strange.

[22:03:09]

Juski:

indeed

[22:03:16]

briand:

exactly how many channels do you have, anyway?

[22:03:22]

Juski:

the icons never appear.. could that be an issue?

[22:03:28]

briand:

hmm.

[22:03:29]

briand:

yes

[22:03:38]

Juski:

I have > 100 channels

[22:03:45]

briand:

timeout waiting for data * number of icons failed to fetch

[22:04:09]

briand:

and continuing each time it tries to display new ones (as you scroll and other channels become visible)

[22:04:17]

Juski:

true

[22:04:45]

briand:

can your frontend grab an icon and view it (with firefox) ?

[22:04:54]

Juski:

doesn't have firefox

[22:05:00]

briand:

okay.

[22:05:07]

Juski:

it's minimyth

[22:05:07]

briand:

any other graphic file viewer. ;)

[22:05:14]

briand:

or, just copy the dang thing. ;)

[22:06:40]

Juski:

ahh!

[22:06:46]

briand:

...might just stuff a copy of those chanicons on the mini machine...

[22:06:49]

briand:

ah?

[22:06:51]

briand:

er, ahh?

[22:06:52]

Juski:

I'm running mythfrontend with --verbose all not

[22:06:57]

Juski:

s/not/now

[22:07:04]

Juski:

it's trying to get the icons

[22:07:06]

briand:

failing to fetch the icons

[22:07:11]

briand:

yep. makes sense

[22:07:34]

briand:

so, can the fe 'see' the directory on the be that contains the icons?

[22:07:59]

Juski:

don't think so... it's trying to get them over the myth protocol I think

[22:08:07]

briand:

if not, maybe add/edit/change the permissions... or, maybe put the *.png files local

[22:08:28]

briand:

i dunno if there's a 'search path' that myth uses to find those things...

[22:08:47]

briand:

perhaps just plop 'em somewhere in the fe's home directory

[22:08:58]

Juski:

yeh I suspected that'd be the way forward

[22:09:24]

briand:

at least you now know the problem, anyway... if not a quick & efficient solution (yet)

[22:09:34]

Juski:

transferring one icon & failing to get it takes <> 5 secs

[22:09:46]

Juski:

I could live without icons

[22:10:13]

Juski:

and I think newer incarnations of minimyth let you specify an icon location

[22:10:19]

briand:

true.. but it's still going to fetch them (or try) every time you open the guide

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Anduin:

Every time you paint the guide (just fewer to fetch).

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Juski:

as an experiment I've just shared the icons dir

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Juski:

ta-da!!!

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Anduin:

Juski: There was a thread in -users about this a while back (and a few times before)

[22:13:48]

Anduin:

Hasn't actually made anyone fix it though.

[22:14:39]

Juski:

why fix when you can workaround? ;-)

[22:14:48]

Anduin:

exactly

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briand:

:) glad you got it working, Juski.

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Juski:

you know how long I've suspected that was the problem & I'd never bothered to even try fixing it? more than a year...

[22:22:27]

briand:

heh

[22:22:33]

Juski:

now, I wonder if putting the recordings dir over nfs will make playback start faster

[22:23:00]

Juski:

never seen the icons thing as a big deal since we do 95% of our scheduling with mythweb

[22:23:50]

briand:

yep.

[22:24:08]

briand:

which brings up something i've been thinking about for over a year...

[22:24:31]

Juski:

take some parts of the protocol out?

[22:24:41]

Juski:

just get stuff over nfs anyway?

[22:25:03]

briand:

mythweb has a "recording rules" list.. showing all the currently defined rules... but there's no such screen (that i've found) in the mythfrontend themes...

[22:25:18]

Juski:

heh

[22:25:18]

briand:

am i simply missing a page? or is it truly not there?

[22:25:34]

Juski:

custom record rules?

[22:25:51]

briand:

allows me to create new ones. not list existing ones

[22:26:55]

Juski:

you have a point

[22:27:24]

Juski:

I need to edit my minimyth script to make the icons dir & mount it

[22:27:44]

briand:

in fact, there's no way to get an "overview" of your recording rules (that I've found) outside of using mythweb.

[22:27:45]

Krazylegz:

I really want a big television now.

[22:27:54]

** Krazylegz makes a wish list for Santa **

[22:28:44]

briand:

Santa does not honor requests for anything that will not fit down a standard chimney — new union rules, i should imagine. ask wife/husband/children/neighbors for such gifts, instead.

[22:29:02]

briand:

...and, good luck with that. ;)

[22:29:53]

Krazylegz:

Ugh. Girlfriend parents and roommate then. I'm screwed.

[22:30:59]

briand:

nah. save up, and then "buy yourself a present" :)

[22:31:59]

briand:

when newegg.com put the Viewsonic 19" 3ms LCD monitor on a 1-day sale on my birthday, I took that as a 'sign' that I was supposed to buy it for myself as a birthday present.

[22:32:34]

fysa:

The Sony 1080p LCOS front projector will fit down the chiminey, briand. Can you pass word along?

[22:33:20]

briand:

fysa: I am not an agent for Santa or the elf union (lodge #1) — you'll have to write your own letter, make your own case, and get in line with the millions of screaming kids... ;)

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Juski:

done, done aaand done.

[22:35:20]

Juski:

marvellous. I just get 0.19 programme guide working & 0.20 is about to come out.. lol

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briand:

heheh.

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D-side:

it is?

[22:35:39]

D-side:

thanks for the heads up. :)

[22:35:50]

briand:

hours, if not minutes, from now, D-side.

[22:35:57]

Juski:

well I say 'about'.. I mean maybe Santa will bring it

[22:36:11]

D-side:

Juski: indeed.

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D-side:

briand: you'll forgive me for not trusting you. :)

[22:36:50]

briand:

Juski: so, work on a 'recording rules' page for your theme(s), and then convince the powers-that-be that we need that integral part of the ui. ;)

[22:37:07]

Juski:

briand: why would I have to do the donkey work?

[22:37:13]

briand:

D-side: no problem. those are Isaac's written words, as of yesterday afternoon-ish.

[22:37:16]

Juski:

I don't even want it

[22:37:22]

D-side:

briand: ah well thats cool.

[22:37:36]

briand:

"tomorrow evening, Eastern time"

[22:37:44]

Juski:

maybe when (if?) I finish 2.0 projectgrayhem themes

[22:37:46]

briand:

Juski: but, think how much you'll use it! ;)

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D-side:

i've just been using this long enough to know that it doesn't always happen that way. to be fair though, the last time i remember it being late was because of a power issue at his place.

[22:38:06]

Juski:

and I have an exhibition stand to coordinate

[22:38:27]

briand:

indeed. read about that, Juski... are you the new MythTV PR guy? ;)

[22:38:28]

D-side:

Juski: something good going on?

[22:38:59]

briand:

when you start crossing the Atlantic, let me know.. I'll check out the dog 'n pony show

[22:39:03]

Juski:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/222657

[22:40:44]

Juski:

MythTV.. PR? lol. I guess I must be, in some weird, self-elected kinda way

[22:41:21]

Juski:

I really just stumbled into it though.. never set out to be 'the messenger'

[22:41:44]

Juski:

cos I know those dudes.. they take a lot of bullets

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briand:

heh

[22:43:06]

briand:

I've been slated to give a MythTV presentation at our local LUG, this November's meeting.

[22:43:13]

AngryElf:

how do i switch my recordings screen to see LiveTV that is in progress?

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Juski:

AngryElf: change group view by bringing up the menu in the watch recordings screen

[22:43:48]

briand:

...following October's "linux from 30,000 feet" presentation. I think I'll be doing a generalized overview of MythTV, rather than a techical presentation.

[22:43:49]

D-side:

Juski: oh, hey. great.

[22:43:52]

Juski:

briand: cool

[22:44:01]

D-side:

i didnt even know there WAS a LWE: London

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braniff:

will mplayer (or any other app) play avi videos on a 64 bit machine ???

[22:44:14]

AngryElf:

thanx :)

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Juski:

it was splatterred all over the tech press in the UK, D-side

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D-side:

is this the first time it's being held there, or am i just horribly informed?

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D-side:

good luck all the same.

[22:45:27]

Juski:

first time Via had mythtv there with their Epia boxen I believe

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Juski:

hasn't been back there since

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Juski:

and AFAIK Myth has only ever been shown at an event in the UK once before.. and I was doing it then too

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D-side:

i'll send some friends your way.

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Juski:

heh

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D-side:

i am doing a piss poor job of cleaning this place up. ugh.

[22:48:37]

Juski:

I'm not pretending to be the whole deal behind the show – it's not gonna be possible without Kelerion. It's too impractical (i.e. seriously expensive) to get my gear down there.. damn London parking fees

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D-side:

i would never accuse you of such a thing. :)

[22:50:47]

Juski:

just making stuff clear :)

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briand:

:)

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briand:

is Kelerion == Cuome, then? or, am I extrapolating too far?

[22:52:38]

Juski:

no he's not

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D-side:

what kind of equipment is he bringing?

[22:53:00]

Juski:

haven't seen Coume for a good while actually.. he's very busy

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briand:

oh, okay.. so you've adopted "other, previously unnamed" co-conspirators

[22:53:14]

briand:

;)

[22:53:15]

Juski:

big plasma, laptop, nice boxes..

[22:53:21]

D-side:

wow.

[22:53:26]

Juski:

hey I never refuse help

[22:53:27]

D-side:

God bless him for it.

[22:53:29]

briand:

cool. nice type of friends to have. :)

[22:53:52]

D-side:

remember to have people take pictures of the exhibit. we'll all be very interested to see them.

[22:53:59]

Juski:

yeh we'll owe him some beers I think

[22:54:10]

D-side:

it takes a certain kind of dedication to lug your own plasma tv to such an event.

[22:54:12]

briand:

Juski: I'd help you with an SD MythTV setup for the show, if you can wrangle airfare, local transportation and hotel. ;)

[22:54:18]

D-side:

i'm far to selfish to do such a thing.

[22:54:23]

D-side:

too even.

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AngryElf:

any way i can manually stop a liveTV recording — the frontend that had initiated it has stopped and since been rebooted (it froze)...yet the recording is still going in the backend, any ideas?

[22:55:54]

D-side:

delete it via mythweb perhaps?

[22:56:01]

briand:

AngryElf: watch LiveTV again and then quit out of it?

[22:56:21]

D-side:

oh, livetv. oops, i suck.

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AngryElf:

i've got a bunch of tuners....watching the same recording again will just initiate another liveTV sesison on a diff tuner

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briand:

watch LiveTV, switch tuners to the appropriate one, then exit LiveTV

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Juski:

jeees that stupid trainline.com site... how are you supposed to be able to work out the best times to travel... pfft

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Juski:

ahhh now I see how it works..

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guru18:

hi, I'm having trouble getting mythfrontend to connect to a backend on a different computer, is anyone here doing that?

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guru18:

i logged into mysql and set this (it's a reasonably secure network) grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"%" identified by "mythtv";

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guru18:

then on the frontend I set the host name to the proper IP, but it won't connect

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AngryElf:

guru18, connect to the database using mysql -h <host> -umythtv -p

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kleptophobiac2:

any word on the state of .20?

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AngryElf:

and see if you can connect that way

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Juski:

kleptophobiac2: nope. the topic will change when there's word

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guru18:

hmm I get to a password prompt, but it won't accept it

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AngryElf:

can you connect as -uroot?

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guru18:

hmm no

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AngryElf:

and you can connect to the databse locally on the backend?

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guru18:

yes

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kleptophobiac2:

mkay. thanks

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AngryElf:

you did flush privileges; after the grant command?

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guru18:

ok so my external ip is 128.194.18.49, so I run `mysql -h 128.194.18.49 -u root -p` and I can't access it

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guru18:

yes I did

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AngryElf:

no

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AngryElf:

use the internal ip of the backend

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guru18:

that is the ip assigned by dhcp from the router

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guru18:

not the internet ip

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guru18:

sorry I was unclear

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AngryElf:

local ip....ipconfig will tell you

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AngryElf:

probably better of setting it so it's staic

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AngryElf:

static

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Juski:

no probably about it

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guru18:

I don't have that option, I'm using a university's network

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kleptophobiac2:

router?

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kleptophobiac2:

always better to run your own

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AngryElf:

so you have two computers connected to the university network?

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guru18:

yes

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AngryElf:

buy a router

[23:30:34]

AngryElf:

if the ip of your backend changes you'll have to change the setting in your frontend every time

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guru18:

the problem is they check the MAC

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kleptophobiac2:

MACs are easy to clone

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guru18:

the ip is static

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Juski:

so.. you can spoof MACs in most routers

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guru18:

well, relatively

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guru18:

I know that it won't change, it's bound to my MAC

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AngryElf:

you're allowed to have two computers on the network and not one router? that's lame :(

[23:31:15]

Juski:

my BEFSR41 does that

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guru18:

no I'm not allowed t have 2 computers, I just do :-p

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Juski:

it'd be much more secure to use a router though

[23:31:56]

Juski:

even just one using NAT

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Juski:

I know what students are like ;-)

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Juski:

1337

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guru18:

i suppose I could use an ssh tunnel...

[23:32:25]

kleptophobiac2:

yeah, i have every intention of running a firewall at uni

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guru18:

well, I would but I don't have a router here atm

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Juski:

I dunno if anyone's ever tested mythtv's robustness in a hostile network...

[23:33:25]

guru18:

ok time to mess with ssh lol, setting mysql back to localhost

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AngryElf:

anyone have success with mythweb and php5?

[23:34:21]

AngryElf:

i think lsat time i tried things didn't go so smoothly

[23:34:26]

Juski:

mythbackend would be open to all & sundry.. and with the new autodiscovery stuff mooted...

[23:35:24]

Juski:

can't you set up a virtual router on the backend machine with its own IP address? can't remember what that's called now

[23:35:42]

guru18:

anyone know what port mysql uses?

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Juski:

3306?

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AngryElf:

check the database setup page

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guru18:

Juski: yes, google ftw!

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guru18:

sweet, I'll just use ssh in the future, I can connect

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pipedream:

can anyone provide me some guidance on "cut points" ?

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Juski:

pipedream: tried the wiki yet?

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pipedream:

yes

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Juski:

what do you want to know?

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pipedream:

what I am trying to do is create another cut point in a recording of like 10 seconds

[23:44:29]

pipedream:

I can create a cute point where it cuts everything to the right, however, when I get to the desired location 10 seconds after that and try to tell it to cut that snippet is where I have trouble.

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Juski:

pipedream: if the cutpoints are too close it won't let you have them

[23:45:03]

pipedream:

Oh!

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pipedream:

Do you know how far away the cutpoints must be?

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Juski:

> 30 secs I guess

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pipedream:

Probably no way of adjusting that is there?

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Juski:

not without changing the source no

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pipedream:

fair enough, : )

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Juski:

that limit was prolly decided a long time before lossless transcoding came about though

[23:46:59]

Juski:

maybe it'd be worth discussing changing it

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pipedream:

very true

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pipedream:

Thanks for your Help Juski!

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Anduin:

pipedream: You should be able to force an insert in the edit menu when you select too close

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hobophobe:

After an update I only get fuzz on my pvr. The update also caused me to have to re-chmod my serial port, is that an indication I may need to do some other step again to get video back?

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hobophobe:

(it will now change channels on the stb again, but I still get fuzz)

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