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| [00:00:55] | Zider: | jonK: mtd? |
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| [00:01:44] | hobophobe: | probably mythtv? |
| [00:03:13] | jonK: | yes, mtd |
| [00:03:26] | jonK: | the myth transcoding daemon |
| [00:03:29] | Zider: | oh |
| [00:03:47] | poonj: | hey guys |
| [00:03:49] | Zider: | dunno if it's threaded or not.. but if it is, it should use both cores |
| [00:03:51] | poonj: | do I want to set /boot as bootable? |
| [00:03:54] | poonj: | or / as bootable? |
| [00:04:07] | Zider: | poonj: don't think it matters.. |
| [00:04:35] | poonj: | okay |
| [00:05:04] | jonK: | even if boot is on a seperate partition? |
| [00:05:16] | jonK: | if so set boot to bootable |
| [00:05:27] | Zider: | I think I have /boot as bootable on my laptop, but / on the media center |
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| [00:12:43] | jonK: | swimming, definetly swimming |
| [00:13:57] | Zider: | huh? |
| [00:14:34] | jonK: | I said I was going to go home and either go swimming or futz with the hd3000 |
| [00:14:40] | jonK: | i think i'll go swimming |
| [00:15:26] | Zider: | ah |
| [00:15:35] | Zider: | I wanna take a bath.. |
| [00:15:53] | Zider: | a nice warm bath |
| [00:18:39] | jonK: | and then after the swimming, or perhaps during, the drinking will commence |
| [00:19:24] | jonK: | and then later, perhaps a little drunken call to the x girlfriend |
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| [00:31:33] | Zider: | unless you drowned ;) |
| [00:34:36] | jonK: | that's always a possibility |
| [00:34:46] | jonK: | not likely, but possible |
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| [00:35:05] | scopeuk: | so is being hit by a shark acidentaly launched by a capsizing waler that was hit by a jumbo jet but its not likely |
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| [00:51:20] | medwards: | radi0head: Thanks for the tip, reinstalling gnome-session works. |
| [00:56:19] | hobophobe: | Man I hope my cable provider has firewire boxes |
| [00:59:26] | scopeuk: | if your in the us isent there provision in law which says you want one they have to give it you? |
| [01:00:33] | hobophobe: | I'm not entirely clear. The law says they have to for HD boxes...but currently I have a SD box. My parents have HD so technically we subscribe to it, but I don't know if a HD box would do me good/cost more/etc. |
| [01:01:37] | hobophobe: | I mean, a HD box, I would still be able to view on my computer, and thus view on my SDTV, I guess? |
| [01:01:59] | scopeuk: | yes |
| [01:02:26] | scopeuk: | but obviously its not always an option |
| [01:02:44] | hobophobe: | If they don't have firewire enabled, you mean? |
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| [01:08:05] | magneticubuntu: | Hey guys: I'm trying to Remove IVTV from my Ubuntu install – how to remove it properly since its kernel modules? |
| [01:08:34] | magneticubuntu: | hobophobe: make sure that you ask them if the FW is Unlocked |
| [01:08:57] | Krazylegz: | magneticubuntu: You meant you want to delete it? |
| [01:09:20] | hobophobe: | Yeah. I sent an e-mail asking if they have 'firewire-enabled set top boxes' available. |
| [01:09:37] | magneticubuntu: | Krazylegz: I have to downgrade from 0.4.6 to 0.4.2 |
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| [01:09:58] | ** MythLogBot slaps kormoc with a happily trout on behalf of Krazylegz... ** | |
| [01:10:18] | Krazylegz: | Eh, not quite. |
| [01:10:31] | Krazylegz: | magneticubuntu: Why not just modprobe -r ivtv and then install the older version? |
| [01:10:32] | kormoc: | heh |
| [01:10:45] | magneticubuntu: | Krazylegz, what does that do? I'm no linux expert? |
| [01:11:01] | magneticubuntu: | i have to compile from source, i'm on ppc |
| [01:11:09] | ** MythLogBot slaps Krazylegz with a funny, funny man trout on behalf of kormoc... ** | |
| [01:11:19] | Krazylegz: | kormoc: I tried. Now go help magneticubuntu while I read, "Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom." |
| [01:11:38] | Krazylegz: | magneticubuntu: modprobe -r ivtv will unload the kernel module ivtv. |
| [01:11:53] | Krazylegz: | You may want to read more about lsmod, modprobe, and maybe even insmod and rmmod. |
| [01:12:08] | magneticubuntu: | ok |
| [01:12:23] | magneticubuntu: | so i can use modprobe – r ivtv and then compile older one and it will replace it? |
| [01:12:30] | Krazylegz: | Should work, yes. |
| [01:12:35] | magneticubuntu: | ok i'll try that |
| [01:14:04] | Krazylegz: | If you really want to delete, kernel modules are usually in /lib/modules/<kernel-version> and then some subdirectories. |
| [01:14:11] | evilDagmar: | ...provided he compiled his kernel with the ability to unload modules |
| [01:14:14] | magneticubuntu: | Krazylegz, root@magnetic-desktop:/lib/modules/2.6.15-23-powerpc/ivtv# modprobe -r ivtv |
| [01:14:14] | magneticubuntu: | FATAL: Module ivtv not found. |
| [01:14:26] | magneticubuntu: | Krazylegz, how can you delete a directory? |
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| [01:14:49] | evilDagmar: | magneticubuntu: http://www.google.com/search?q=basic+unix+primer READ |
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| [01:15:06] | evilDagmar: | You need very basic Unix knowledge |
| [01:15:08] | magneticubuntu: | ok |
| [01:15:22] | magneticubuntu: | i will but someone can still help |
| [01:15:45] | evilDagmar: | Well, I don't teach kindergarden. |
| [01:15:55] | magneticubuntu: | evilDagmar, nice attitude |
| [01:16:02] | evilDagmar: | Damn right it is |
| [01:16:08] | magneticubuntu: | anyone with evil* in their nick must be a loser |
| [01:16:20] | evilDagmar: | I know eight year olds who know more about unix than you |
| [01:16:26] | evilDagmar: | ...and they're not afraid of a little reading. |
| [01:16:35] | nero: | play nice guys.. |
| [01:16:44] | nero: | (oh, who am I kidding??) |
| [01:16:47] | evilDagmar: | Hey, he started it with the insults |
| [01:16:54] | hobophobe: | magneticubuntu, technically you'll be better served by learning, or at the least asking in your distro-specific channel than in here. |
| [01:17:13] | nero: | evil- dont make me stop this car!! ;) |
| [01:17:26] | evilDagmar: | Less than 30 minutes of reading, and unix gets tons easier to work with. |
| [01:18:00] | evilDagmar: | If you don't know something as simple as how to delete a directory, you're not asking for "help", you're asking for someone to do it all for you. |
| [01:18:06] | nero: | at the very least, give "man rm" a try.. |
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| [01:19:02] | magneticubuntu: | evil dont be an asshole |
| [01:19:12] | magneticubuntu: | i know more about many things than you do i assure you of that |
| [01:19:15] | evilDagmar: | I think it would probably take less time to read those primers than it would for a newbie to sort out the man page for rm |
| [01:19:19] | magneticubuntu: | irc channels are to HELP not hurt ppl |
| [01:19:22] | evilDagmar: | magneticubuntu: Really, really doubtful. |
| [01:19:27] | nero: | (or even google "linux delete directory" ) |
| [01:19:32] | magneticubuntu: | evilDagmar, i know your type get a life |
| [01:19:34] | hobophobe: | he's trying to help you |
| [01:19:39] | evilDagmar: | magneticubuntu: yeah, I'm helping you by making you face that fact that you're in WAY over your head |
| [01:19:41] | nero: | magneticubuntu, but this is a MythTV support channel.. not a basic linux support.. |
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| [01:20:16] | magneticubuntu: | evilDagmar, you are helping me realize you are a jerk and a loser thats about all |
| [01:20:27] | magneticubuntu: | many guys are helpful here and I help noobs on other channels |
| [01:20:31] | evilDagmar: | magneticubuntu: Then shut your lamer mouth and stop talking in the presence of your betters |
| [01:20:38] | nero: | btw: magneticubuntu if you google "linux delete directory" the 4th link is a good one for a lot of basic commands.. |
| [01:20:54] | evilDagmar: | I find it really hard to believe you can help anyone with anything more complex than tying their shoes or finding porn if you can't delete a directory. |
| [01:21:15] | magneticubuntu: | neroL: thx |
| [01:21:35] | magneticubuntu: | evilDagmar, well you need porn as i'm sure no REAL girl would talk to an ahole like you |
| [01:21:38] | magneticubuntu: | i know your type |
| [01:21:49] | magneticubuntu: | L_O_S_E_R |
| [01:21:50] | hobophobe: | well if you know his type why are you still insulting him? |
| [01:21:53] | evilDagmar: | magneticubuntu: Wnat? The educated, literate type? |
| [01:22:09] | evilDagmar: | Perhaps next time you're pumping my gas you can introduce yourself. |
| [01:22:29] | nero: | #mythtv-users sinks to a new low.. |
| [01:22:35] | magneticubuntu: | evilDagmar, lol as if |
| [01:22:36] | nero: | this is getting rediculous guys.. just drop it.. |
| [01:22:43] | magneticubuntu: | evilDagmar, i'm not going to name drop and go to yoru levl |
| [01:22:50] | magneticubuntu: | nero: that moron started it nero |
| [01:22:58] | evilDagmar: | magneticubuntu: That's only because you don't know anyone who rates. |
| [01:23:12] | evilDagmar: | Now shut the stupid insults up. I'm way better at it than you as well. |
| [01:23:15] | nero: | magneticubuntu, I personally dont give a lick "who started it".. this is just getting stupid.. |
| [01:23:40] | madfactor: | I thought help channels that help users support projects that use open source technologies also help users support the platforms they run on? |
| [01:23:46] | Zider: | magneticubuntu: if he started it, be more of a man and finish it by not replying anymore |
| [01:24:00] | hobophobe: | Okay, so how about if in the future all hardware driver projects could provide a dummy/pseudo device so that a project could implement interaction with the driver? |
| [01:24:02] | evilDagmar: | magneticubuntu: If you'd read the damn primers instead of trying to "prove" you know something you don't. You'd have already learned five new things |
| [01:24:23] | magneticubuntu: | evilDagmar, besides you being a moron you are finally right yes |
| [01:24:32] | nero: | madfactor, yes, to a point.. but when it turns into "how do I install a distro" or "how do I do (insert very simple thing in Linux)" at such a basic level, it becomes impossible to support the project.. |
| [01:24:40] | evilDagmar: | hobophobe: That *sounds* like a nice idea, but wouldn't making a faux device be slightly more complex than just getting the new driver working? |
| [01:24:51] | evilDagmar: | magneticubuntu: Then shut your lamer mouth and make with the reading |
| [01:25:14] | nero: | thus, people say "go look at #linux-help" or "RTFM"- (either in a nice way, or in a more crass way) to try to keep things on topic.. |
| [01:25:24] | madfactor: | nero: can't one refer the user to information without making an insult? |
| [01:25:26] | nero: | and invariably this happens, and it all goes to hell in a handbasket anyway.. |
| [01:25:42] | evilDagmar: | madfactor: As you can see, some people *always* get pissed off when you tell them to read a tutorial |
| [01:25:42] | hobophobe: | evilDagmar, well I'm thinking about cases like v4l2, where someone may have a project that wants to support it, but doesn't have access to a device that works with v4l2. If you had a pseudodevice that emulated io, it'd be a lot easier to implement? |
| [01:25:58] | nero: | madfactor, sure.. one can, and many do.. but some dont.. as I said- the insult throwing, IMHO is getting old and stupid.. |
| [01:26:06] | hobophobe: | evilDagmar, on windows I know there's a 'daemon tools' program that looks to the OS just like a DVD drive even though it's just a mounted .ISO |
| [01:26:12] | evilDagmar: | They feel that they're entitled to personal, customized, detailed help no matter what kind of questions they're asking |
| [01:26:21] | madfactor: | It was old in the BBS and fido days. |
| [01:26:28] | evilDagmar: | hobophobe: you don't need anything so fancy in Linux. It's dead easy. |
| [01:26:35] | hobophobe: | ah |
| [01:26:46] | Zider: | I miss the BBS days. |
| [01:26:47] | nero: | madfactor, I agree.. but, thats life on irc.. shrug.. |
| [01:26:51] | magneticubuntu: | evilDagmar, you just dont stop do you moron |
| [01:27:01] | evilDagmar: | mount -t iso9660 -o ro,loop /path/to/image.iso /mountpount |
| [01:27:10] | evilDagmar: | magneticubuntu: STFU N00B |
| [01:27:16] | hobophobe: | well I read the vlc dev list sometimes and they are working on implementing v4l2, but the guy working on it doesn't have a v4l2 device so he's mostly doing probing stuff that would theoretically work with devices, but can't test it to be sure. |
| [01:27:16] | nero: | magneticubuntu, neither do you.. evilDagmar is not going to give up.. so just let it go.. |
| [01:27:17] | magneticubuntu: | hahah you must be a kid |
| [01:27:36] | evilDagmar: | hobophobe: Maybe someone should send him a PVR-150 card or something |
| [01:27:59] | evilDagmar: | magneticubuntu: What's wrong with your brain that you think it's more productive to sit here and make an ass of yourself than it would be to READ AND LEARN SOMETHING |
| [01:28:17] | hobophobe: | yeah, but I was thinking of the broader problem, and came up with the broader idea to help preemptive support for new hardware, driver platforms/etc. |
| [01:28:49] | magneticubuntu: | evilDagmar, learn how to act in society |
| [01:29:03] | Zider: | this is not exactly society tho :P |
| [01:29:48] | hobophobe: | dude, okay, magneticubuntu you need to work on your help-channel manners. You asked about 20 times for help on the same problem. Now drop it. If you need continued support for your OS go to #ubuntu and ask them to help. If you've got mythtv issues this is the place and they are very helpful. |
| [01:29:50] | magneticubuntu: | ppl like him dont know how to talk in real life only on net |
| [01:30:06] | Zider: | amazing how upset some people can get over some text on a screen |
| [01:30:07] | magneticubuntu: | hobophobe, i asked for help with ivtv that is related |
| [01:30:13] | magneticubuntu: | Zider, quite yes |
| [01:30:18] | Zider: | relax guys, it's only IRC, not the End Of The World |
| [01:30:31] | hobophobe: | you didn't though. If you need help with the module itself, that is related. You asked about a general problem of removing and replacing kernel modules. |
| [01:31:09] | magneticubuntu: | whatever |
| [01:31:48] | Zider: | "whatever"? now who's the kid? |
| [01:31:54] | evilDagmar: | magneticubuntu: GO AWAY |
| [01:32:11] | nero: | Zider, let him have the last word.. I think thats the only way he'll shudap about it.. |
| [01:32:12] | magneticubuntu: | evilDagmar, get a life loser |
| [01:32:17] | hobophobe: | you aren't a bad person, but evil really is trying to help you with his advice to learn more about linux. it's the kind of OS where one wrong keystroke can wipe your filesystem, so in order to use such a powerful implementation you need to know what you are doing. |
| [01:32:25] | evilDagmar: | I'll put his happy ass on the ignore list, but I doubt it will work |
| [01:32:32] | Zider: | nero: but I want the last one *cries* ;) |
| [01:32:39] | magneticubuntu: | hobophobe, its the manner he is speaking |
| [01:32:45] | evilDagmar: | He's probably going to sit there and keep shooting off his mouth until someone says it's okay to ask kindergarden questions in any channel you want |
| [01:32:51] | magneticubuntu: | he insulted me for asking simple questions |
| [01:32:57] | kormoc: | magneticubuntu, honestly, it doesn't help that you belittle others for being childish and then call people losers... |
| [01:33:01] | nero: | hehe Zider .. and we both know that no matter what evilDagmar WILL get the last word.. ;) |
| [01:33:17] | evilDagmar: | No, you twit, I said you were asking questions too simple for this channel and than you needed to read a basic unix primer. |
| [01:33:29] | evilDagmar: | NOW I'm insulting you for being a jerk about it. |
| [01:33:31] | magneticubuntu: | ok read above moron |
| [01:33:33] | Zider: | nero: I wouldn't know, I haven't picked a poo-throwing fight with him yet ;) |
| [01:33:37] | hobophobe: | magneticubuntu, would you rather he insult you in passing, or have lied and told you how to erase all directories instead of just one? |
| [01:33:45] | evilDagmar: | rm -rf / works |
| [01:33:51] | magneticubuntu: | i know enough to not erase |
| [01:33:55] | nero: | Zider, nor have I.. but you have probably seen many.. ;) |
| [01:34:11] | magneticubuntu: | if i compiled ivtv, mythtv, and configured msyql and phpadmin i'm no noob |
| [01:34:17] | Zider: | nero: not really.. at least, not involving evilDagmar.. until now ;) |
| [01:34:20] | magneticubuntu: | i dont expect hostility like this no other channels have this |
| [01:34:27] | evilDagmar: | Dude I know at least a dozen obfuscated commands that would just trash your machine, and you've no idea how lucky you are that I didn't just privmsg you one to shut you up, now get over it. |
| [01:34:30] | nero: | hehe.. but the old Dagmar? ;) |
| [01:34:40] | evilDagmar: | Same Dagmar. |
| [01:34:48] | magneticubuntu: | evilDagmar, only an asshole would do that and that you are and you are probably a kid |
| [01:34:51] | Zider: | magneticubuntu: don't let him represent the general personality of the channel tho :) |
| [01:34:58] | nero: | I know.. its just the "evil" is now right up front.. ;) |
| [01:35:04] | kormoc: | magneticubuntu, honestly, you are still new at this. Kernel module management isn't something that is considered advanced. In anycase, if you're really having this many issues, you might do better in the ubuntu specific channel |
| [01:35:06] | evilDagmar: | magneticubuntu: ...and yet your behaviour is entirely unacceptable. |
| [01:35:32] | evilDagmar: | nero: Works for me. Generally it gets the point across so that no one's astonished when I actually get angry and do something nasty. |
| [01:35:48] | nero: | I'll agree with ya on that one evilDagmar. :) |
| [01:36:02] | nero: | (but would hate to know the consequence if I didnt ;) ) |
| [01:36:24] | evilDagmar: | Someone has to be going out of their way to be a twit to get me mad enough to do something nasty, so no worries there. |
| [01:36:30] | evilDagmar: | I'm only a threat to people who miss their meds. |
| [01:36:49] | nero: | I know.. we all love ya evil.. |
| [01:37:19] | Zider: | I don't ;) |
| [01:37:39] | evilDagmar: | kormoc: Kernel module management I actually would consider at least intermediate. Deleting files however, that's just basic, basic, basic. |
| [01:37:52] | nero: | well.. neither do I Zider.. but hey.. what the hell.. ;) |
| [01:38:11] | evilDagmar: | Anything covered in the first two days of a 100-level CSCI course (or a high school class if they taught useful things in public schools) doesn't need to be asked on IRC. |
| [01:38:37] | nero: | evilDagmar, well.. I disagree with you.. there ARE places on IRC to learn it though.. and here isnt one of them.. |
| [01:38:54] | evilDagmar: | Hey, if there's people who enjoy explaining rm all day, more power to 'em |
| [01:39:04] | Zider: | evilDagmar: I'll probably get my ass kicked now, but.. what is CSCI? :P |
| [01:39:15] | Krazylegz: | Heh, and I remember when I used to ask why this wasn't an about channel. |
| [01:39:18] | ** nero ducks ** | |
| [01:39:26] | nero: | duck and cover Zider!!!! |
| [01:39:29] | evilDagmar: | I just see it as slower to get that infomation over IRC, when you can scan one short web page and learn about 20 useful things in a matter of minutes |
| [01:39:31] | kormoc: | Zider, Commercial Satellite Communications Initiative! |
| [01:39:45] | evilDagmar: | Zider: Computer SCIence |
| [01:39:50] | Zider: | evilDagmar: ah |
| [01:39:58] | kormoc: | evilDagmar, to me, rm file, rmmod module, it's about the same level, but fair nuff |
| [01:40:26] | hobophobe: | I'm in CompSci and we've not learned anything with linux yet. Pisses me off how watered down my Uni's CS program is. |
| [01:40:55] | madfactor: | I got my transcode only slave-backend working... it ROCKs. |
| [01:40:57] | madfactor: | (hehe) |
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| [01:41:30] | madfactor: | And... three xboxes setup as frontends with xbox controllers. |
| [01:41:33] | nero: | hey madfactor! Thats on topic!! Not allowed!! |
| [01:41:39] | madfactor: | That is rockin'! |
| [01:42:37] | Captain_Murdoch: | madfactor, if you're only using it for mythtranscode jobs then just run mythjobqueue instead of mythbackend. |
| [01:42:59] | madfactor: | Ohhhh... |
| [01:43:09] | madfactor: | See... I am learning too! |
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| [01:43:10] | madfactor: | laugh |
| [01:43:25] | nero: | .. and his pride was crushed.. ;) |
| [01:44:03] | madfactor: | Naw. |
| [01:44:19] | madfactor: | I am advanced unix/linux... new to mythtv. :) |
| [01:44:23] | madfactor: | I like it tho. |
| [01:44:31] | Captain_Murdoch: | same config in mythtv-setup applies, it's just less overhead. |
| [01:44:38] | Zider: | I'm relatively advanced in linux, mostly self-taught.. |
| [01:44:40] | madfactor: | Its scalability is incredible. |
| [01:44:47] | nero: | just jokin with ya.. trying to "crack a smile" in #mythtv-users.. |
| [01:45:55] | evilDagmar: | kormoc: 'cept there's no option to nuke a module and all it's dependents (that I'm aware of) and not many newbie classes go into kernel management |
| [01:46:16] | kormoc: | true 'nuff and fair 'nuff |
| [01:47:37] | evilDagmar: | You really do have to define a lower-bounds below which people need to be referred elsewhere for knowledge. |
| [01:48:10] | evilDagmar: | I had to make an actual written-out list after having the third network security lecture degenerate into "what is a packet, exactly?" |
| [01:48:48] | kormoc: | well, that I can sorta of understand, if say, they know it but something sounds wrong so they want to make sure it's right before moving on |
| [01:49:07] | kormoc: | tho, if it was a blank look and a, 'what's a packet', that's a bit different |
| [01:50:52] | madfactor: | I have a mythtv quest! |
| [01:50:55] | evilDagmar: | Oh you can't define it that loosely, it's important to know what a "tuple" is, and if you have to explain that, then you too easily wind up explaining about checksums, and then TTLs, and then fragmentation reassembly, and then the difference between TCP and UDP, and it just all comes apart |
| [01:50:58] | madfactor: | question I mean! |
| [01:51:37] | kormoc: | evilDagmar, tuple? |
| [01:51:46] | evilDagmar: | 'cuz people will just lunge into advanced stuff thinking they can figure it out as they go along, which is not the sort of thing that one should do with pyrotechnics for instance |
| [01:52:00] | evilDagmar: | A tuple is the pair of numbers definining IP address and socket |
| [01:52:11] | kormoc: | interesting, never heard it called that before |
| [01:52:13] | evilDagmar: | s/socket/port/ |
| [01:52:40] | evilDagmar: | No one, well, not many people, would attempt to go to an advanced pyrotechnics class |
| [01:52:46] | evilDagmar: | ...and they certainly wouldn't do it twice. |
| [01:52:56] | evilDagmar: | ...not without the basics under their belt. |
| [01:53:02] | kormoc: | Well, this is why I sorta think it's okay. I understand all the other stuff, but tuple makes me wonder if there's something I missed, so I'd say something about it. |
| [01:53:04] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [01:53:28] | evilDagmar: | Yeah, but "how do I delete a directory" is so far below the waterline that it's definitely a "refer to reference materials on the web" thing |
| [01:53:36] | kormoc: | yeah, true nuff |
| [01:53:57] | kormoc: | fyi, I am self taught, so that's likely a little difference too |
| [01:54:14] | madfactor: | I really can't believe you guys are still talking about it. |
| [01:54:31] | evilDagmar: | Hey, I'll freely admit that my time in college was a complete waste, aside from the minor in skirt chasing |
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| [01:55:03] | evilDagmar: | THe school I went to was positively awful. The freshman classes for CompSci majors was Fortran-77 and PASCAL |
| [01:55:31] | evilDagmar: | ...and no this was not 20 years ago when those were actually still marginally useful languages |
| [01:56:13] | evilDagmar: | I probably spent more time learning about CICS, VAX, BSD, and networking protocols there on my own time |
| [01:56:25] | evilDagmar: | ...than possibly all of my other classes combined. |
| [01:56:35] | evilDagmar: | They still don't have a clue over there,, either |
| [01:56:55] | kormoc: | yeah, then again, I taught myself programming and all my sys admin stuff was just whatever I ran into to help my programming out, so I freely admit that there's holes in my knowledge. |
| [01:57:54] | evilDagmar: | Well, I started literally with the advent of the analog modem, and back then you just pulled up the online help on practically anything you connected to, and it would tell you all you needed to know to take it completely over. |
| [01:58:06] | evilDagmar: | ...so I suppose I had early positive reinforcement with documentation research. ;) |
| [01:59:10] | evilDagmar: | Being able to research answers is The #1 Most Useful Skill Period for technology |
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| [01:59:40] | kormoc: | ooh, I agree |
| [01:59:57] | kormoc: | but if I'm in a presentation, I can understand asking 'simple' questions here and there |
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| [02:02:17] | evilDagmar: | Try giving a lecture on packet-level securty to about 40 people, more than half of which don't know the difference between TCP and UDP and you'll have major fodder for deep reconsideration about just moving into a shack on the side of a mountain. |
| [02:02:37] | robbins876: | I just got a MCE remote, but when I try to compile lirc i get errors |
| [02:02:40] | robbins876: | anyone willing to help? |
| [02:02:53] | evilDagmar: | robbins876: Yep. PAstebin the errorstuff |
| [02:02:58] | robbins876: | k |
| [02:03:37] | robbins876: | http://pastebin.ca/158289 |
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| [02:08:02] | evilDagmar: | looking |
| [02:08:21] | robbins876: | alright |
| [02:10:19] | evilDagmar: | What distribution are you running? |
| [02:10:34] | evilDagmar: | Nevermind, I see that it's fc5 |
| [02:10:36] | robbins876: | FC4 |
| [02:10:37] | robbins876: | oops |
| [02:10:38] | robbins876: | 5 |
| [02:13:11] | evilDagmar: | I'm trying to figure out what they're doing in that routine at line 588 |
| [02:13:47] | robbins876: | hmm... |
| [02:14:15] | robbins876: | could it be because i originally set up LIRC for my hauppague remote? |
| [02:16:45] | evilDagmar: | Nope |
| [02:16:52] | evilDagmar: | It's some breakage in USB2 |
| [02:18:05] | robbins876: | oh |
| [02:20:29] | evilDagmar: | This is going to sound crazy, but... |
| [02:20:50] | evilDagmar: | Look at line 588 of lirc-0.8.0/drivers/lirc_mceusb2/lirc_mceusb2.c |
| [02:20:53] | evilDagmar: | Comment it out. |
| [02:21:09] | robbins876: | where is that? |
| [02:21:24] | evilDagmar: | huh? |
| [02:21:29] | robbins876: | where do i comment it out? |
| [02:21:34] | evilDagmar: | Edit that file |
| [02:21:46] | evilDagmar: | Change line 588 which is currently " .owner = THIS_MODULE," to "/* .owner = THIS_MODULE, */" |
| [02:22:01] | evilDagmar: | i.e., put /* at the start of the line and */ at the end of the line |
| [02:22:16] | evilDagmar: | then do a make clean and it should buidl |
| [02:22:43] | robbins876: | how do i oopen the editor in terminal? isn't it vi? |
| [02:23:07] | evilDagmar: | Yep |
| [02:23:20] | evilDagmar: | Do you know how to use vi? |
| [02:23:42] | robbins876: | not since computer science 100 like 2 years ago |
| [02:23:51] | robbins876: | my line 588 is different |
| [02:24:05] | evilDagmar: | Not possible |
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| [02:24:30] | robbins876: | oh, i see it |
| [02:25:47] | robbins876: | ok, then you said make clean? |
| [02:26:08] | evilDagmar: | Yes You will need to clear out any stale object files |
| [02:26:21] | Anduin: | robbins876: You can also most to the lirc in CVS (which has this fixed, some time ago) |
| [02:26:33] | Anduin: | most=move |
| [02:26:42] | robbins876: | oh, really? |
| [02:26:48] | robbins876: | i should just get the CVS one then |
| [02:26:56] | evilDagmar: | Not a bad idea |
| [02:27:39] | Anduin: | Yeah, in the CVS version owner is insize a LIRC_THIS_MODULE macro which removes the line for newer kernels. |
| [02:28:00] | robbins876: | i see |
| [02:28:16] | robbins876: | anduin, did you see that i got an MCE remote? it's from a buddies HP, think it will work? |
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| [02:33:30] | Anduin: | robbins876: probably, I never bothered getting my old MCE remote to work (though many others have). |
| [02:34:31] | evilDagmar: | I spent a whoppinf $12.74USD and bought a One4All PVR remote |
| [02:34:34] | robbins876: | yay! it's working in IRW, that's a good sigh, i hope |
| [02:34:40] | robbins876: | sign |
| [02:35:27] | robbins876: | right? |
| [02:35:40] | robbins876: | so does that mean it will work in myth now or is there something else i have to do to get it working? |
| [02:36:28] | Anduin: | robbins876: Yup, only key mapping at that point. |
| [02:37:25] | robbins876: | huh? what's the next step, i'm reading a guide right now, but i'm not seeing how to get mythTV to recognize this remote as the one i want to use |
| [02:39:41] | robbins876: | it says that i'm on my own to create a lircrc file for the remote |
| [02:39:43] | robbins876: | how do i do that? |
| [02:39:45] | Anduin: | robbins876: look at how the basic ~/.mythtv/lircrc to lircd.conf stuff works. |
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| [02:40:48] | robbins876: | there's nothing in those files |
| [02:40:49] | robbins876: | lame |
| [02:41:27] | Anduin: | robbins876: I mean look at the existing examples |
| [02:41:58] | robbins876: | where? |
| [02:42:08] | robbins876: | i pulled up both of those files and there's nothing in either |
| [02:43:56] | Anduin: | robbins876: Whatever guide you are using almost certainly has info on it. |
| [02:44:06] | robbins876: | wilson's |
| [02:45:27] | robbins876: | you should pastebin your lircrc |
| [02:45:30] | robbins876: | so i can see an example |
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| [02:47:55] | Anduin: | robbins876: myth has an mceusb2 native lircrc example in the configfiles directory |
| [02:48:09] | robbins876: | ok, so the output in IRW should be reflected verbatim in lircd.conf? |
| [02:48:20] | robbins876: | there's a configfiles directory? |
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| [02:50:22] | robbins876: | ok, so i copy the config file to lircrc right? |
| [02:50:55] | Anduin: | robbins876: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/mythtv/configfiles |
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| [02:53:42] | robbins876: | here's what i have setup for my lircrc |
| [02:53:44] | robbins876: | http://pastebin.ca/158368 |
| [02:54:53] | Anduin: | robbins876: that isn't an lircrc file |
| [02:56:19] | Anduin: | robbins876: your ~/.mythtv/lircrc file should look more like this: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . mple.mceusb2 |
| [02:56:22] | robbins876: | is that lircd.conf? |
| [02:56:26] | robbins876: | alright |
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| [02:56:28] | Anduin: | Yes it is |
| [02:56:32] | robbins876: | here's what i think is lircrc |
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| [02:57:26] | robbins876: | http://pastebin.ca/158369 |
| [02:58:38] | robbins876: | so i need to reboot, i imagine |
| [02:59:29] | robbins876: | no? |
| [02:59:50] | Anduin: | No |
| [03:00:15] | Anduin: | At most restart the frontend |
| [03:00:45] | robbins876: | alright |
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| [03:04:09] | robbins876: | sweet, it's working |
| [03:04:14] | robbins876: | but now it won't play my divx |
| [03:04:17] | robbins876: | any ideas there? |
| [03:05:26] | Anduin: | robbins876: What are you using to play it? |
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| [03:12:14] | robbins876: | mythTV |
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| [03:17:20] | robbins876: | when you click the video the screen says loading file then does nothing |
| [03:20:25] | Anduin: | robbins876: so... mplayer? |
| [03:25:44] | robbins876: | i guess so |
| [03:25:47] | robbins876: | i don't know if i have it installed |
| [03:25:54] | robbins876: | remember it was giving me problems before? |
| [03:26:53] | Anduin: | It not working would explain it |
| [03:27:54] | robbins876: | how can i install it without having to uninstall it and fuck everything up? |
| [03:28:22] | Anduin: | robbins876: You should be able to uninstall/reinstall mplayer without messing anything up. |
| [03:28:33] | Anduin: | robbins876: You could also install xine and try it. |
| [03:30:15] | robbins876: | i've got xine open |
| [03:30:20] | robbins876: | i mean, installed and it works fine |
| [03:30:27] | robbins876: | but how do i play the videos from inside myth? |
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| [03:34:19] | robbins876: | anyone? |
| [03:34:21] | Anduin: | robbins876: It is easy to change what MythVideo uses to play files. |
| [03:34:31] | robbins876: | mythsetup? |
| [03:35:13] | Anduin: | robbins876: No, right there in the frontend in Media Settings (the mythtv.org Documentation link has info) |
| [03:38:47] | robbins876: | hmm... it opens xine rather than playing it in myth |
| [03:39:03] | robbins876: | and when i try to remove mplayer to reinstall it it says it's going to delete all these myth dependencies |
| [03:39:07] | robbins876: | is that going to be ok? |
| [03:41:58] | Anduin: | robbins876: You are going to reinstall it, and if it is a real myth dependency it won't be letting you uninstall it. |
| [03:43:02] | Anduin: | robbins876: "playing it in myth" unless you've changed it to use the Internal player, it doesn't play videos in myth, it just calls mplayer, or xine if you reconfigure it. |
| [03:43:17] | robbins876: | there's an internal player? |
| [03:43:19] | robbins876: | i want to use it |
| [03:43:55] | poonj: | I just tried to install a debian etch system with software raid....it didn't boot after the installation... |
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| [03:43:59] | Anduin: | robbins876: You will likely not be happy with it. |
| [03:44:05] | robbins876: | alright |
| [03:44:07] | poonj: | is there something I need to do afterwards to get it to boot? |
| [03:44:44] | ** Anduin avoids pointing out the obvious "shake it" ** | |
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| [03:49:15] | robbins876: | can you paste your line from the video player settings box thing? |
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| [03:53:03] | Anduin: | robbins876: It will be no use to you (I call a script by default), there are many examples of mplayer and xine command lines in the myth archives though. |
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| [03:54:33] | Gumby: | does anyone here know if it is possible to run a transcode from a remote location |
| [04:03:30] | evilDagmar: | This is what ssh is good for |
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| [04:29:43] | flindet: | hi. Has anyone here used a pvr-350 and/or a pvr-250 with digital cable? |
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| [04:38:02] | robbins876: | alright, i'm in the tv guide thing, but when i hit ok, it doesn't change the channel to that channel, it brings up a recording menu thing |
| [04:38:17] | robbins876: | how do i use the guide to change channels or do i have to manually key in the channel number? |
| [04:39:12] | robbins876: | nevermind, i figured it out |
| [04:39:14] | robbins876: | how about mute? |
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| [04:40:13] | robbins876: | my mute button doesn't work |
| [04:40:15] | opello: | hm, how'd you jump from the guide to the channel? |
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| [04:42:33] | robbins876: | i hit the guide button rather than ok |
| [04:42:35] | robbins876: | and it worked |
| [04:42:43] | robbins876: | i just moved the reciever from one usb port to another |
| [04:42:48] | robbins876: | what do i have to restart to get it to work? |
| [04:44:33] | robbins876: | i'm trying to run IRW now and it says connection refused |
| [04:44:35] | robbins876: | what's up with that? |
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| [04:53:00] | robbins876: | Alright, I'll try again... I had my remote working, but then I decided to move it to a USB port on the back of my box for permenant placement and it's no longer working, what do i need to do to get it working again? |
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| [04:54:51] | Anduin: | robbins876: try restarting lircd & the frontend |
| [04:55:40] | robbins876: | works now |
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| [04:55:59] | robbins876: | is it possible to make a button on the remote launch mythbackend and frontend? |
| [04:56:07] | robbins876: | or make backend launch at startup? |
| [04:56:37] | Anduin: | robbins876: using irexec you could, and yes making the backend start on boot is common |
| [04:57:09] | robbins876: | do you have to have the terminal open for backend to be running? |
| [04:57:38] | Anduin: | robbins876: No, which packager are you using? |
| [04:57:56] | robbins876: | packager? yum i think |
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| [04:58:13] | Anduin: | It is probably atrpms, there is almost certainly a mythbacked init.d script you can activate |
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| [05:00:24] | robbins876: | hmmm... my buttons aren't working in myth |
| [05:00:34] | robbins876: | the directional pad is, but nothing else seems to be working |
| [05:03:23] | robbins876: | nevermind |
| [05:03:43] | robbins876: | i should probably start trying to figure some of this stuff out myself and quit flooding the channel with nonsense... i appologize |
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| [05:06:17] | Gumby: | does anyone here know if it is possible to run a transcode from a remote location. someone suggested ssh but I usually transcode via mythfrontend so I have no clue what the commands via command lines might be |
| [05:10:13] | d3ity: | hey all |
| [05:10:14] | d3ity: | I |
| [05:10:17] | d3ity: | 'm back with mythtv woes |
| [05:10:34] | robbins876: | is there anyway to run myth windowed? |
| [05:11:03] | Anduin: | robbins876: A checkbox in the frontend setup |
| [05:11:30] | Anduin: | Gumby: mythtranscode --help, requires some work though |
| [05:13:25] | Gumby: | Anduin: thanks. I will have a look |
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| [05:50:07] | word: | Anduin: hey remember those dma error problems i was having? |
| [05:50:34] | Anduin: | word: Yes |
| [05:51:14] | word: | Anduin: looks like a patch was just released by ivtv that may fix it...i'm testing it out now. it's not supposed to get rid of the errors..just the crashing part but i can deal with that heh. |
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| [05:51:59] | Anduin: | word: Yeah, I've been reading the list. |
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| [05:54:05] | word: | Anduin: stargate marathon around 4 hours of it left should give the fix a run for its money. ;) I'll let ya know how it goes. |
| [05:54:41] | Anduin: | What, they weren't all previously recorded? |
| [05:55:50] | sphery: | SG-1 is my favorite show, ever, and my Myth box has never recorded an episode... |
| [05:56:02] | sphery: | I wait for the DVD's... |
| [05:56:03] | sphery: | :) |
| [05:56:34] | Anduin: | Yes, but you are crazy :) |
| [05:56:34] | sphery: | Oh, and Oct 3 is coming quickly, too. I should get my preorder in. |
| [05:56:50] | sphery: | I can't argue with that one. :) |
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| [05:57:53] | word: | Anduin: nope i haven't had it on all that long ;p |
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| [05:58:25] | sphery: | Does Sci-Fi channel air SG-1 in HDTV? |
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| [05:59:07] | sphery: | The syndicated episodes (I only have local stations) are broadcast letterboxed in 4:3, so they get pillarboxed on my 16:9 TV. |
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| [06:01:04] | word: | sphery: they might..not sure |
| [06:01:42] | sphery: | Just curious. |
| [06:01:46] | Anduin: | I don't think so, but I don't HD. |
| [06:01:54] | sphery: | Oh. |
| [06:02:03] | sphery: | So, the DVD's turn out to be better quality, anyway. |
| [06:02:29] | word: | sattelite pretty much all of it's in hd...so i'd assume if you had sattelite it would be |
| [06:03:02] | sphery: | So, Anduin, you don't have an HDTV (or you're still watching SDTV on your HDTV)? |
| [06:03:29] | sphery: | I'm doing the latter--until I'm home long enough to set up my HDTV Myth system... |
| [06:03:58] | sphery: | Should have been 3 months from last October... I'm hoping to start on it in a week and a half. |
| [06:04:25] | Anduin: | sphery: Don't have one (yes I know I'm behind the times), someday soon, maybe. |
| [06:04:40] | word: | how hard would it be to set up an old dell 450 mhz around 378 ram and a 40gig hd to record shows and transfer to my hd nightly? |
| [06:05:41] | d3ity: | hey, can someone help me out with lirc? |
| [06:05:53] | Anduin: | word: Not extremely, if you didn't want to keep it in myth, in myth you need to play with the DB a tiny bit. |
| [06:06:35] | word: | yah that's the main part i was havin trouble conjering up on how to do it.. |
| [06:06:43] | word: | d3ity: what remote / tuner? |
| [06:07:14] | Anduin: | word: Move the file, update the host and path in the DB, that should be it. |
| [06:07:41] | word: | i could probably right the script myself o.O |
| [06:07:49] | word: | could the db still be on this pc? |
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| [06:09:11] | Anduin: | word: Yeah, those steps are for a shared DB, a lot more work without. |
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| [06:13:37] | word: | hmm..actually..i'd want to be able to leave the recording comp on all the time but mine on just during the day so transfers while i'm at school...so then the db would have to be on the recording one...hmm..still relatively easy that way? |
| [06:14:46] | d3ity: | word, homebrew, and I'm not sure yet |
| [06:14:50] | d3ity: | I hit a diffrent roadblock |
| [06:14:59] | d3ity: | I can't seem to get ivtv to talk properly to mythtv |
| [06:15:11] | word: | any errors? |
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| [06:16:40] | word: | eh o.O |
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| [06:19:30] | d3ity: | ah |
| [06:19:32] | d3ity: | now, back to ivtv hating myth |
| [06:19:56] | d3ity: | 2006-09–02 02:19:54.536 Channel(/dev/video)::SetColourAttribute(): failed to query controls, error: No such device |
| [06:20:24] | d3ity: | bash-3.1# cat /dev/video |
| [06:20:25] | d3ity: | cat: /dev/video: Device or resource busy |
| [06:21:14] | word: | do you have the latest version for your kernel? |
| [06:21:55] | d3ity: | word, yes |
| [06:22:03] | word: | what version of myth? |
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| [06:22:19] | d3ity: | latest, 0.19 |
| [06:22:24] | word: | ummmmm |
| [06:22:42] | word: | in your setup did you set up all the devices right? i.e. has it worked with this setup before? |
| [06:22:53] | d3ity: | yes. |
| [06:23:00] | d3ity: | the only new thing is the motherboard |
| [06:23:07] | word: | ah that changes things a bit |
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| [06:23:18] | d3ity: | but I've reinstalled everything |
| [06:23:23] | d3ity: | even the OS |
| [06:23:28] | d3ity: | i've done this several times before |
| [06:23:29] | word: | devices might get renamed to different things |
| [06:23:34] | d3ity: | I just can't get it to work |
| [06:23:49] | d3ity: | word, but my card should still be video0 |
| [06:24:12] | word: | it's looking at /dev/video not video0 ..they're kinda the same i guess but... |
| [06:24:21] | d3ity: | symlinked |
| [06:24:25] | d3ity: | video0 gives the same problems |
| [06:24:34] | d3ity: | bash-3.1# rmmod ivtv |
| [06:24:34] | d3ity: | ERROR: Module ivtv is in use |
| [06:25:26] | word: | ah |
| [06:25:30] | word: | tell it nooo i'm root rawr |
| [06:25:38] | d3ity: | ah, |
| [06:25:41] | d3ity: | chmod to the rescue |
| [06:25:43] | word: | i swear it worked once or twice |
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| [06:28:38] | simcop2387: | how does joystick support work in mythfrontend? |
| [06:29:07] | word: | if you have a joystick plugged in |
| [06:29:12] | word: | scary monsters show up in the middle of movies |
| [06:29:16] | simcop2387: | heh |
| [06:29:22] | word: | and you have to fight them off in your x wing |
| [06:29:27] | word: | with your friend spock |
| [06:29:33] | word: | and...some ewoks.. |
| [06:29:40] | simcop2387: | i've got one plugged in, doesn't seem to do anything, i'm guessing i need to fix some setting somewhere |
| [06:29:57] | word: | mythtv-setup i think i remember something about joystick setup being some setting in there |
| [06:30:04] | simcop2387: | ah cool |
| [06:30:31] | ** simcop2387 lost my lirc remote but i've got a joystick with a 30 foot cord ** | |
| [06:32:14] | word: | lol! |
| [06:32:38] | simcop2387: | its really a usb adapter for an n64 controller and i have a bunch of extensions :) |
| [06:32:49] | evilDagmar: | It's easier to get juice weasel support working |
| [06:33:04] | simcop2387: | spice weasels are better |
| [06:33:13] | simcop2387: | works great for xmame, and other emulators, MUCH MUCH better than a keyboard for that |
| [06:33:42] | evilDagmar: | Strangely, I find that just a plain old remote works better |
| [06:33:55] | simcop2387: | evilDagmar: same here but like i said i lost mine and don't have any money |
| [06:33:57] | word: | hmmm...with xorg.conf set up to have 2 screens...screen 0 and screen 1 for the tv......and running Xgl....how would you start up an x server on the tv..and only on the tv...to run mythfrontend on? |
| [06:34:01] | ** simcop2387 is a broke college student ** | |
| [06:34:09] | simcop2387: | what drivers? |
| [06:35:13] | evilDagmar: | simcop2387: Lay off the pizza and beer and go to WalMart |
| [06:36:06] | simcop2387: | i don't drink, and there's no way in hell i'm giving up pizza, also i need a new reciever too (couple of bucks at radio shack) |
| [06:36:32] | simcop2387: | though i might trade pizza for nachos |
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| [06:37:06] | evilDagmar: | Then do the other college student moneymaker... give plasma |
| [06:37:07] | d3ity: | damnit |
| [06:37:19] | d3ity: | still not working |
| [06:38:15] | word: | >< |
| [06:38:15] | simcop2387: | evilDagmar: where i'm at they think it steals your soul (don't even try to show them a camera) |
| [06:38:27] | d3ity: | damn |
| [06:38:43] | word: | where's that? |
| [06:38:50] | simcop2387: | er umm |
| [06:38:52] | d3ity: | what does that tell me |
| [06:38:56] | evilDagmar: | d3ity: I'm suprised it does anything at all |
| [06:38:59] | simcop2387: | d3ity: try cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg |
| [06:39:00] | d3ity: | evilDagmar, as am I |
| [06:39:16] | simcop2387: | word: North Carolina |
| [06:39:20] | d3ity: | simcop2387, same |
| [06:39:23] | simcop2387: | unless test.mpg is for the decoder |
| [06:39:33] | ** simcop2387 never messed with 350's if you have one ** | |
| [06:39:38] | d3ity: | test.mpg is for whatever makes the picture show up |
| [06:39:41] | d3ity: | i've got a 150 |
| [06:39:55] | simcop2387: | ah |
| [06:39:59] | evilDagmar: | d3ity: You *do* understand IO redirection, right? |
| [06:40:08] | d3ity: | evilDagmar, yeah |
| [06:40:11] | simcop2387: | ah i've got a 150 also |
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| [06:40:22] | evilDagmar: | d3ity : So was the < a typo? |
| [06:40:24] | d3ity: | stream extraction and insertion are two things I always got backwards |
| [06:40:38] | d3ity: | evilDagmar, yes. I've done it both ways anyway |
| [06:40:46] | simcop2387: | d3ity: think you could paste the relevant dmesg output to pastbin? |
| [06:41:11] | evilDagmar: | So, the question becomes, what does the kernel say when the ivtv modules are loaded? |
| [06:41:58] | d3ity: | http://rafb.net/paste/results/0elVMV82.html |
| [06:42:02] | d3ity: | evilDagmar, bad things |
| [06:42:22] | evilDagmar: | So which kernel and ivtv version are you using? |
| [06:42:34] | evilDagmar: | Seeing that, I wouldn't have even bothered trying to read /dev/video09 |
| [06:42:36] | word: | anyone know how to start up an xserver on a certain display / screen to run mythfrontend? |
| [06:42:42] | d3ity: | 2.6.17.11, ivtv-0.7.0 |
| [06:43:19] | evilDagmar: | d3ity: OKay, now let's have the output *without* you filtering all the stuff so that we don't see the error messages |
| [06:43:31] | evilDagmar: | ...you may need to unload and reload the module |
| [06:43:35] | simcop2387: | word: depends on the drivers, shouldn't be too hard, just play with the config |
| [06:43:35] | Anduin: | d3ity: Those module load failures are critical errors. |
| [06:44:31] | word: | simcop2387: i'm 'pretty sure' the config is all set up...got it running on screen 1... |
| [06:44:32] | simcop2387: | d3ity: do you have the other modules compiled it'll be in the Device Drivers->Multimedia->Video 4 Linux section, as Misc drivers two options at the bottom |
| [06:44:53] | word: | simcop2387: just need the command |
| [06:45:03] | simcop2387: | to use a different config file? |
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| [06:45:19] | word: | no to start the x server up on the other display / screen |
| [06:45:40] | simcop2387: | i usually use multiple configs, lets see... what was it... |
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| [06:45:56] | evilDagmar: | export DISPLAY="guess what goes here" |
| [06:46:04] | d3ity: | simcop2387, I'm checking now |
| [06:46:09] | d3ity: | simcop2387, names of modules? |
| [06:46:19] | d3ity: | nvm, I'll dig |
| [06:46:32] | word: | evilDagmar: i'm runnin Xgl so mythfrontend has to be on a seperate x server |
| [06:46:34] | simcop2387: | cx25840 wm8775, and one or two others i can't remember at the moment |
| [06:46:34] | evilDagmar: | d3ity: Don't grep out what the kernel is telling you about the modules you didn't build |
| [06:46:38] | word: | i believe the command is – sudo xinit mythfrontend -display :1 — /usr/bin/X :1 -ac |
| [06:46:52] | word: | but that doesn't work for me..it starts it up on top of my display and not the tv's |
| [06:46:54] | simcop2387: | oh thats what you're wanting! i thought you were doing something else |
| [06:46:56] | evilDagmar: | word: You should be asking yourself why you're even bothereing |
| [06:47:01] | simcop2387: | xinit mythfrontend -- :1 |
| [06:47:17] | simcop2387: | or startx mythfrontend -- :1 |
| [06:47:48] | evilDagmar: | d3ity: more than likely you need to go back into the v4l/v4l2 section of the kernel and throw all that stuff on as modules, particularly the Encoders and Decoders section, hint hint |
| [06:48:01] | d3ity: | yeah |
| [06:48:04] | simcop2387: | yea i'm looking up how to choose the serverlayout |
| [06:48:07] | d3ity: | thats what I missed, I see it now |
| [06:48:46] | word: | simcop2387: for some reason that's still using my screen as the output...hmm...can you take a look at my xorg.conf to make sure i have it right? |
| [06:49:31] | ** d3ity rebuilds kernel ** | |
| [06:49:32] | Matrix9: | Is there a way to have the mouse pointer functioning while i setup mythtv initially? hard to see where the focus is on my monitor |
| [06:49:43] | d3ity: | Matrix9, use the keyboard |
| [06:49:47] | d3ity: | its much easier |
| [06:50:19] | Matrix9: | How do you do a drop down on the combo boxes then? |
| [06:50:33] | word: | arrow buttons |
| [06:50:59] | simcop2387: | word: startx mythfrontend -- :1 -layout "secondlayout"; and create a second server layout that only has the stuff for the TV |
| [06:51:04] | simcop2387: | word: sure |
| [06:51:07] | evilDagmar: | d3ity: You don't have to rebuild the whole kernel. You just need to turn those parts on as modules and then run `make modules && make modules_install` and you're done |
| [06:51:39] | simcop2387: | word: just pastebin it and i'll have a looksee |
| [06:52:13] | word: | simcop2387: http://pastebin.ca/158774 i think i get what you mean with the secondlayout thing i'll give it a try if you still think the same after lookin at my xorg.conf |
| [06:52:35] | Matrix9: | I was able to do that, but I was in channel editor and wasn't sure if any data actually exited in capture card |
| [06:54:15] | simcop2387: | word: yea just use a second screen layout that has just screen 1 in there, and it should work, if its not exactly like what you want start creating variations and try to get what you want |
| [06:54:33] | Matrix9: | I keep getting "There are no channel sources defined" when i run Mythfilldatabase, was this a step i missed in mythtvsetup? |
| [06:54:53] | word: | should i include the mouse and keyboard too simcop2387? |
| [06:55:23] | simcop2387: | yea |
| [06:56:09] | simcop2387: | what i don't know is if it'll use both at the same time, if not then you'll want to play with your WM to get just one side as mythfrontend |
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| [06:58:06] | d3ity: | evilDagmar, yeah but I had to add some things static anyway, so I'm taking the long way |
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| [06:59:57] | word: | simcop2387: hmm.. will i have to restart x for that to effect the new x server? |
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| [07:02:51] | simcop2387: | the new one? no |
| [07:02:53] | simcop2387: | the old one yes |
| [07:03:26] | word: | simcop2387: it seems that it still wants to effect my current view...and it can't find any screens >< |
| [07:04:07] | simcop2387: | hmm |
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| [07:04:24] | simcop2387: | its been a long time since i messed with dual heads + dual xservers |
| [07:05:14] | word: | (EE) Screen 0 deleted because of no matching config section. :-/ it's not even supposed to be looking at screen0.. |
| [07:05:33] | simcop2387: | all i can say is google, and muck about with it till it works |
| [07:05:34] | simcop2387: | heh |
| [07:05:47] | simcop2387: | that part shouldn't matter AFAIK |
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| [07:06:31] | ShockValue: | anyone want to buy a HD card? ive tested it a few weeks with a huge antenna on my house, but i get crappy reception |
| [07:06:38] | Matrix9: | I keep getting "There are no channel sources defined" when i run Mythfilldatabase, was this a step i missed in mythtvsetup? only 8 hits when i query google – i feel unique. |
| [07:07:03] | simcop2387: | ShockValue: i'm waiting for ones that do Composite in |
| [07:07:11] | evilDagmar: | Matrix9: So run mythtv-setup and go through all the menu items, one at a time again |
| [07:07:17] | ShockValue: | Matrix9: sounds like you dont have the sources set up from myth-setup |
| [07:07:50] | ShockValue: | im just gonna break down and buy digital cable from comcast and try to dump it via firewire to my drive |
| [07:08:10] | simcop2387: | ShockValue: that's probably what i'll end up doing also |
| [07:08:43] | ShockValue: | its just painfull to watch standard def tv on a 50" hi-def plasma :) |
| [07:08:52] | Matrix9: | Would this be the channel editor? cause it says not detecting card, though on capture card my pvr-250 is detected |
| [07:09:48] | evilDagmar: | No, it would be you not assigning an source to your tuner inputs |
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| [07:16:26] | word: | Anduin: after 2 hours of recording while doing commercial flagging and some other work on the pc during recording..looks like i got the error from before...but i don't know if it 'crashes' it anymore.. |
| [07:16:52] | d3ity: | ok, got video working |
| [07:16:56] | d3ity: | audio still doesn't like me |
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| [07:17:37] | poonj: | fysa, you there? |
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| [07:22:58] | simcop2387: | d3ity: thats good! shut your computer off for 60 seconds so the firmware will flash again properly |
| [07:23:21] | simcop2387: | the 150's are tempermental, i had to do that 4 times in a row to get it to work properly once |
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| [07:29:38] | Matrix9: | passed that, run client and now mythbackend keeps saying column 'chanid' cannot be null |
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| [07:38:08] | d3ity: | simcop2387, I have to shut my computer off to get sound? |
| [07:38:30] | ** d3ity was hoping alsa would justwork(tm) ** | |
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| [07:44:49] | Matrix9: | ok, got the previous error resolved, by running channel scan — but i'm still not getting any tv when i run myth frontend, any recommendations? |
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| [09:29:09] | elfranger: | good morning |
| [09:30:11] | parjoha: | Good morning! |
| [09:30:13] | elfranger: | I seem to have a bright blue line on horizontal top and vertical left when I open a video file from mythtv. Any idea someone? |
| [09:31:10] | parjoha: | What resolution are you using? |
| [09:31:24] | elfranger: | 800x600 |
| [09:31:27] | evilDagmar: | elfranger: That's in the wiki |
| [09:31:32] | evilDagmar: | ...as well as the fix |
| [09:31:33] | elfranger: | it is? |
| [09:31:35] | evilDagmar: | Yes. |
| [09:31:40] | elfranger: | sorry |
| [09:32:02] | elfranger: | but, where's the wiki? |
| [09:32:13] | evilDagmar: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frequent . . . rid_of_it.3F |
| [09:32:34] | elfranger: | very grateful, thank you |
| [09:32:56] | evilDagmar: | The line is the result of an off-by-one error *somewhere* in the code, and that doesn't exactly fix it, but it does paint it black so you can't see it |
| [09:33:10] | elfranger: | xvattr: Couldn't open display |
| [09:33:22] | evilDagmar: | How about you read the entry |
| [09:33:34] | evilDagmar: | ...instead of just blindly cutting and pasting. |
| [09:34:39] | elfranger: | ok, I will do that. Please forget my insolence :-) |
| [09:36:48] | elfranger: | in danger of annoying you even more, I just need to ask a question. It is about font size. Wiki says to reconfigure X, but when I fire up MythTV it looks good on the menus, only when I enter the media library the fonts are so small I cannot see what it is... Is it the same setting? |
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| [09:39:41] | daurnimator: | any1 here? |
| [09:40:28] | evilDagmar: | elfranger: Astonishingly, the same answer I just gave you still applies. |
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| [09:40:48] | evilDagmar: | elfranger: I'm not joking, either. The bit on font sizes is exactly one FAQ entry below the one I just cited. |
| [09:41:05] | evilDagmar: | ...both of which I have personally added stuff to in the last two weeks. |
| [09:41:30] | daurnimator: | hi, i need some help with getting my dvb-t card going |
| [09:41:35] | evilDagmar: | There's a lot of stuff with fonts, but usually when one of them is utterly unreadable, it's because your DPI isn't actually 100 |
| [09:41:36] | daurnimator: | its an avermedia 761 |
| [09:42:15] | evilDagmar: | Myth (or more likely, the way it's using freetype) screws up badly when your display's DPI is not 100, in fact it winds up making fonts *much* too large or *much* too small |
| [09:46:26] | daurnimator: | can someone help me? |
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| [10:07:43] | spafbnerf: | allo, any1 had any success using device such as vcr or playstation w their tvcard on linux ? |
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| [10:30:40] | podzap: | hello, which part renders the audio, backend or frontend? |
| [10:32:55] | null: | Does anyone have an idea why I'm getting noise instead of audio on some chnanels, though the frequency is correct? |
| [10:34:11] | enyc: | podzap: what do you mean 'renders' |
| [10:34:36] | enyc: | podzap: the frontend is what sends the audio to the sound output device......... |
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| [11:03:49] | podzap: | enyc: i mean when a cable tv signal has 3 audio tracks, is it code in the backend or frontend which decides which track to send to audio device |
| [11:04:23] | podzap: | not which one sends it, but which one isolates which track to send |
| [11:06:25] | podzap: | i am basically trying to figure out whether to upgrade my front-end or back-end. the problem is simultaneous language tracks coming over my speakers. |
| [11:09:20] | enyc: | meep |
| [11:09:29] | enyc: | podzap: im not sure |
| [11:09:42] | enyc: | podzap: soz... not know that detail |
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| [11:12:05] | podzap: | well, i have used myth for a while as my network dvd-server, but I just got a tv card (dvb-c), and am troubleshooting it to proper operation now. |
| [11:12:21] | podzap: | so far, it _mostly_ works ok |
| [11:13:19] | podzap: | i use minimyth for the front-end, so it's not so easy to upgrade it as it's not easy to compile it with the gar build system |
| [11:13:49] | podzap: | and i don't want to upgrade back-end from rpms to svn unless i'm sure that it will fix the problem... |
| [11:15:04] | podzap: | on an unrelated note, is mythtv supposed to be able to present text tv? |
| [11:17:29] | evilDagmar: | do what? |
| [11:19:25] | podzap: | text tv |
| [11:20:15] | enyc: | teletext ? |
| [11:20:19] | podzap: | you know, get airport schedules, train schedules, local news, weather, etc |
| [11:20:21] | podzap: | yep |
| [11:20:39] | enyc: | not that I know of |
| [11:20:41] | podzap: | not subtitles, but text tv |
| [11:21:00] | podzap: | if you don't live in europe, you very likely don't know what text tv is |
| [11:21:35] | enyc: | text_tv == teletext ?? or something else?? |
| [11:22:17] | podzap: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teletext |
| [11:22:22] | podzap: | yes, that i mean |
| [11:22:27] | enyc: | 'ok |
| [11:22:37] | podzap: | in finland, it's called "Teksti TV", e.g. text tv |
| [11:22:49] | enyc: | kk |
| [11:22:56] | podzap: | should myth support it, with a dvb-c card which supports it? |
| [11:26:15] | enyc: | well |
| [11:26:28] | enyc: | dvb is totally different I think |
| [11:26:41] | enyc: | thats not teletext I think |
| [11:26:44] | enyc: | not sure ;-) |
| [11:27:07] | enyc: | I wasnt aware of any such support |
| [11:28:24] | evilDagmar: | Nor I |
| [11:28:25] | podzap: | i have this card |
| [11:28:28] | podzap: | http://72.14.221.104/search?q=cache:QIr3ARFQE . . . lnk&cd=1 |
| [11:28:45] | podzap: | it says "Highspeed-Teletext mit Such- und Druckfunktion" |
| [11:30:07] | podzap: | that is "high speed teletext with search and print function" |
| [11:31:35] | enyc: | well |
| [11:32:12] | enyc: | dvb cards usually just hand the DVB stream to the software...... |
| [11:32:23] | enyc: | and software reads what text or channels it wants |
| [11:32:46] | enyc: | this is not a hardware function as suct |
| [11:32:57] | podzap: | i want to be able to push "text" button on my remote control while watching live tv, and see teletext on my screen |
| [11:33:03] | podzap: | which can be navigated |
| [11:33:39] | podzap: | http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-dev/2005-March/033396.html |
| [11:34:08] | evilDagmar: | podzap: Your question is answered on that page. "It's far away from being perfect, but you're welcome to |
| [11:34:09] | evilDagmar: | contribute to improve the code or to find errors" |
| [11:34:46] | podzap: | that mail is a year and a half old |
| [11:35:10] | podzap: | which would justify the question as to whether this should be supported nowadays |
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| [11:47:32] | podzap: | if i see this in the backend, does it refer to subtitles, or text tv interactive information retrieval stream: |
| [11:47:35] | podzap: | 2006-09–02 14:45:56.244 DVB#0 CA: Adding elementary stream: Teletext, PID=304 |
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| [12:19:24] | Juski: | I think I have the solution to my theme maintenance problem. Just pull all the plugin screens out |
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| [12:41:37] | Juski: | anyone familiar with the shoutcast plugin for mythmusic? |
| [12:42:04] | Juski: | what I should be asking is... did it make it into the main code or will it remain just a patch? |
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| [12:42:26] | daurn|laptop: | any1 here? |
| [12:42:40] | Juski: | no, only me |
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| [12:43:12] | daurn|laptop: | i'm trying to set up mythtv for the first time |
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| [12:43:22] | daurn|laptop: | i'm hoping to follow http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Man . . . Installation |
| [12:43:34] | daurnimator: | but, i get: |
| [12:43:42] | daurnimator: | $ mysql -u root -p < /usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql |
| [12:43:42] | daurnimator: | bash: /usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql: No such file or directory |
| [12:44:04] | daurn|laptop: | - where was i supposed to get that file? |
| [12:44:09] | daurn|laptop: | - its the first step |
| [12:44:10] | daurn|laptop: | :S |
| [12:44:14] | Juski: | maybe the mc.sql file lives somewhere else |
| [12:44:46] | Juski: | some distros do that stage automagically, others put the file in different places |
| [12:44:55] | daurn|laptop: | like where? |
| [12:45:08] | Juski: | /usr/local/share/mythtv/database |
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| [12:45:25] | Juski: | or if you've built it from source it'll be in the contrib directory |
| [12:45:36] | daurnimator: | i haven't built anything... |
| [12:45:38] | gardengnome: | no, in the database/ dir |
| [12:45:45] | Juski: | ah well |
| [12:45:48] | Juski: | what do I know |
| [12:45:52] | daurnimator: | i haven't DONE anything yet |
| [12:45:53] | daurnimator: | :S |
| [12:45:59] | gardengnome: | Juski: ;) |
| [12:46:08] | hashbang: | daurnimator: updatedb ; locate mc.sql |
| [12:47:23] | daurnimator: | how long will that take? |
| [12:47:26] | Juski: | I finally have to admit I'm out of my depth with my themes now. Steve Adeff has been onto me with a patch to make my wide theme work with Eskil's Shoutcast patch but I haven't got a bloody CLUE what that's all about. bins.. etc.. Changes to the tree view... (wtf is the tree view anyway) |
| [12:47:35] | hashbang: | daurnimator: a while. depends on your system. |
| [12:48:03] | gardengnome: | Juski: i think the tree view makes it look like mythmusic |
| [12:48:26] | daurnimator: | btw, is there a mythtv (frontend at least) for windows? |
| [12:48:28] | Juski: | eh? |
| [12:48:36] | Juski: | no windows frontend |
| [12:48:36] | gardengnome: | Juski: mythvideo, i mean. |
| [12:48:43] | gardengnome: | daurnimator: winmyth, tapeworm. |
| [12:49:06] | Juski: | I'd not call either of them a 'frontend' btw |
| [12:49:07] | daurn|laptop: | is it good? |
| [12:49:25] | Juski: | tapeworm is a good way to watch recordings. looks like a VB app |
| [12:49:28] | gardengnome: | not sure. not the real thing anyways |
| [12:49:42] | Juski: | not a GUI if that's what you mean ;-) |
| [12:50:02] | Juski: | so people use the tree list views in the plugins? yeesh |
| [12:50:34] | daurnimator: | $ locate mc.sql |
| [12:50:34] | daurnimator: | /usr/share/mythtv/sql/mc.sql |
| [12:50:36] | daurnimator: | :D |
| [12:52:46] | Juski: | this is going to be a whole lot eaier if I just pretend that shoutcast stuff doesn't exist, if it's not been included into SVN |
| [12:57:50] | daurn|laptop: | hey |
| [12:57:56] | daurn|laptop: | i need some help with 4 |
| [12:58:04] | daurn|laptop: | (input connections) |
| [12:58:17] | daurn|laptop: | - i don't understand what to do |
| [12:58:33] | daurn|laptop: | my card has an svideo in & an RCA (composite) in |
| [12:58:42] | Juski: | that screen is where you link an input connection to a video source |
| [12:59:05] | daurn|laptop: | - i don;t get it |
| [12:59:20] | Juski: | you know.. in step3 where you set up a video source... where you get your EPG data from.... |
| [12:59:28] | Juski: | video source... BIG misnomer |
| [13:00:39] | daurn|laptop: | with channel editor |
| [13:00:43] | daurn|laptop: | why is scan greyed out? |
| [13:01:08] | Juski: | you didn't skip step 4 did you? |
| [13:01:13] | daurn|laptop: | i did |
| [13:01:17] | daurn|laptop: | i had no idea what to do |
| [13:01:17] | daurn|laptop: | :S |
| [13:01:30] | Juski: | so you just decided to skip the step. marvellous |
| [13:01:34] | Juski: | good luck# |
| [13:01:39] | daurn|laptop: | i thought it was optional..... |
| [13:01:48] | daurn|laptop: | - like if your card didn't have inputs... |
| [13:01:53] | Juski: | does it SAY 4. input connections (OPTIONAL) ? |
| [13:02:07] | daurn|laptop: | does it say 4. input connections (REQUIRED)? |
| [13:02:44] | Juski: | right. take a step back for a moment & thik about what you've done so far |
| [13:02:51] | Juski: | s/thik/think |
| [13:02:56] | daurn|laptop: | ok |
| [13:02:57] | Juski: | you set up your card |
| [13:02:57] | daurn|laptop: | i did it |
| [13:03:06] | daurn|laptop: | now... |
| [13:03:06] | Juski: | you set up an EPG source (called video source) right? |
| [13:03:13] | daurn|laptop: | why is it when i scan for channels |
| [13:03:19] | daurn|laptop: | it only finds one? |
| [13:03:36] | Juski: | what the fuck are you scanning for channels for when you've not done the preceding stage yet? |
| [13:03:44] | daurn|laptop: | [23:02:40] <daurn|laptop> i did it |
| [13:03:57] | Juski: | screw this |
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| [13:04:10] | daurn|laptop: | ... |
| [13:04:58] | hashbang: | -ENOTENOUGHCAFFEINE, obviously |
| [13:05:28] | hashbang: | we do get a lot of queries along these lines in this channel, though, and it does cause burn-out |
| [13:05:33] | daurn|laptop: | hashbang: care to tell me why when i scan, it only finds one channel? |
| [13:05:52] | daurn|laptop: | hashbang: i think all that was just because "video input" means different things to different people |
| [13:05:53] | hashbang: | daurn|laptop: what kind of capture card are you using? |
| [13:06:01] | daurn|laptop: | avermedia dvb-t 761 |
| [13:06:27] | hashbang: | right |
| [13:06:34] | hashbang: | I don't use the scanning stuff built into myth |
| [13:06:41] | daurn|laptop: | it seems to think that its found enough after its found the first frequency/that thing that holds all the values |
| [13:06:48] | daurn|laptop: | s/values/channels |
| [13:06:55] | hashbang: | I just use the dvbscan command line tool to generate a channels.conf, edit it manually, then import |
| [13:07:11] | daurn|laptop: | ah |
| [13:07:13] | daurn|laptop: | i did that too |
| [13:07:17] | daurn|laptop: | but i didn't know how to import |
| [13:07:18] | hashbang: | I had various problems setting up DVB using myth's scanner directly |
| [13:07:38] | hashbang: | daurn|laptop: it's there as an option alternative to scanning |
| [13:07:56] | hashbang: | also, check that your card is able to see all the multiplexes |
| [13:08:01] | daurn|laptop: | rephase please |
| [13:08:11] | daurn|laptop: | kaffeine detected them all |
| [13:08:21] | hashbang: | I find one or two tend to lose signal strength and one or both cards drops the multiplex as a result |
| [13:08:37] | hashbang: | annoying if that happens when you've set a recording to happen. :-( |
| [13:09:34] | daurn|laptop: | well |
| [13:09:39] | daurn|laptop: | how do i import? |
| [13:09:48] | daurn|laptop: | that would be perfect if i could |
| [13:09:55] | hashbang: | I can't remember exactly, but it's around the scan option |
| [13:10:07] | hashbang: | on a drop-down, maybe |
| [13:10:53] | daurn|laptop: | can;t find it |
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| [13:14:10] | daurn|laptop: | Juski: all solved – just need to know how to import a channels.conf file |
| [13:16:52] | daurn|laptop: | according to a random wiki on the net |
| [13:17:03] | daurn|laptop: | its under scan type drop-down |
| [13:17:08] | daurn|laptop: | but.... its not |
| [13:17:20] | Juski: | in 0.19 it is |
| [13:17:32] | daurn|laptop: | how do i check my mythtv version? |
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| [13:18:00] | Juski: | your package manager, etc etc etc |
| [13:18:20] | Juski: | mythtv-setup --version (I guess, I know it works with mythbackend and mythfrontend) |
| [13:18:56] | daurn|laptop: | nope |
| [13:19:08] | daurn|laptop: | INvalid argument |
| [13:19:14] | daurn|laptop: | ah |
| [13:19:17] | daurn|laptop: | i have 0.18 |
| [13:19:24] | daurn|laptop: | how do i upgrade? |
| [13:19:27] | Juski: | does anybody here actually USE the tree list views in the plugins? if so how do you put up with them? |
| [13:19:42] | Juski: | daurn|laptop: depends which distro you're using |
| [13:19:47] | daurn|laptop: | ubuntu |
| [13:19:53] | Juski: | see the channel faq |
| [13:20:01] | GreyFoxx: | Juski: I use the video list tree almost exclusively |
| [13:20:12] | Juski: | GreyFoxx: and you like it? |
| [13:20:19] | GreyFoxx: | Yep |
| [13:20:34] | Juski: | heh |
| [13:21:03] | GreyFoxx: | Only thing that would be nice wouldbe to be able to delete a file from it, an if it was a "live" view so you could see content added after you entered into the list view |
| [13:21:13] | GreyFoxx: | Now I have to exit out and go back in heh |
| [13:21:35] | Juski: | not being able to change between views within the plugin is kinda sucky IMHO |
| [13:21:41] | GreyFoxx: | I ONLY use gallery mode for showing off the movie posters and such to the parents |
| [13:22:00] | Juski: | I can't stand the tree lists cos they just look so bad |
| [13:22:25] | GreyFoxx: | Hrm, I thought you couldswitch views |
| [13:22:28] | Juski: | filenames are usually too big to fit & there's no scrolling to make them fit |
| [13:22:29] | daurn|laptop: | File #0 is the ISO, |
| [13:22:32] | Juski: | can you? |
| [13:22:48] | daurnimator: | ??? |
| [13:22:51] | daurnimator: | twf lol |
| [13:23:02] | daurnimator: | old script – like.... 3 years |
| [13:23:03] | daurnimator: | :P |
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| [13:23:42] | GreyFoxx: | Juski: Yup, just looked |
| [13:23:52] | GreyFoxx: | hit M and you get to switch to one of the other views |
| [13:24:12] | Juski: | not in 0.19 I can't |
| [13:24:32] | Juski: | ahh I'm talking about mythmusic & you're talking about mythvideo lol |
| [13:24:41] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [13:24:45] | GreyFoxx: | ahhh |
| [13:25:09] | GreyFoxx: | I don't use that. the wife does...but yeah she complains about the tree being too slow to navigate heh |
| [13:25:55] | Juski: | actually.. I've never looked at it this way before, but you could almost use mythvideo as a music player |
| [13:25:56] | daurnimator: | :( |
| [13:25:58] | daurnimator: | Get:8 ftp://ftp.nerim.net sid/main Packages |
| [13:25:59] | daurnimator: | Err ftp://ftp.nerim.net sid/main Packages |
| [13:25:59] | daurnimator: | Unable to fetch file, server said 'Can't open /debian-marillat/dists/sid/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz: No such file or directory ' [IP: 62.4.17.14 21] |
| [13:26:26] | GreyFoxx: | Juski: heh |
| [13:26:28] | Juski: | daurnimator: you need the Hamsta debs |
| [13:26:41] | Juski: | the only thing missing from mythvideo is playlisting |
| [13:26:46] | daurn|laptop: | the whats? |
| [13:27:15] | GreyFoxx: | Juski: PLaylists and the ability to add(or just play) randomly from a directory |
| [13:27:27] | Juski: | daurn|laptop: http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/wiki/index.php/FAQ#Ubuntu |
| [13:27:32] | GreyFoxx: | My wife has a bunch of MusicVideo videos and would love to just start them playing in a random shuffle |
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| [13:29:15] | Juski: | or just have 'music' files.. some mp3 based (or ogg or whatever) and some mpeg video based... then when there's no video track, put a spiffy visualisation on |
| [13:29:31] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [13:29:33] | daurn|laptop: | yay |
| [13:29:40] | daurn|laptop: | thx Juski |
| [13:29:41] | Juski: | this has been suggested in the wiki feature requests already |
| [13:30:07] | daurn|laptop: | btw, why is the mouse invisible for most of mythtv-setup? |
| [13:30:25] | Juski: | rofl |
| [13:30:42] | Juski: | you'll find the mouse is just about impotent in mythtv anyway |
| [13:30:44] | GreyFoxx: | duar: Myth disables the mouse by default. IT's not intended to be controlled by a mouse |
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| [13:31:04] | GreyFoxx: | You can configure it to not be invisible in the frontend |
| [13:31:13] | daurn|laptop: | i would like that |
| [13:31:14] | daurn|laptop: | ;) |
| [13:31:15] | Juski: | screw it. to hell with the tree view. I don't use it |
| [13:31:15] | GreyFoxx: | but don't expect everything to be clickable :) |
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| [13:31:33] | daurn|laptop: | hey lilo/somegeek |
| [13:32:28] | daurn|laptop: | btw, i think someone should update the ubuntu reps with mythtv 0.19 |
| [13:32:29] | daurn|laptop: | ;) |
| [13:32:37] | Juski: | all of this aggravation my themes have been giving me has been caused by other folks' expectations and my misguided idea that I should giveashit |
| [13:33:06] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [13:37:15] | jams: | heh |
| [13:37:31] | jams: | morning all |
| [13:37:37] | Juski: | morning jams |
| [13:37:43] | ** Juski feels way less crazy now ** | |
| [13:42:14] | daurn|laptop: | O.O |
| [13:42:19] | daurn|laptop: | according to the scanner |
| [13:42:28] | daurn|laptop: | i have 100% signal, 100% SNR |
| [13:44:04] | Juski: | but? |
| [13:44:42] | daurn|laptop: | ? |
| [13:46:45] | Juski: | you said you have 100% signal, 100% SNR like you think you should be suspicious |
| [13:46:54] | daurn|laptop: | yeah... |
| [13:47:14] | daurn|laptop: | all other programs report about 67% SNR |
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| [13:49:21] | Juski: | yeh well erm... ahem.. errr... |
| [13:49:39] | daurn|laptop: | ... |
| [13:49:52] | Juski: | sometimes the driver lies, and mythtv takes what the driver says at face value (or something like that) |
| [13:52:21] | ** jams installs mythdora ** | |
| [13:52:58] | daurn|laptop: | hmm |
| [13:53:03] | daurn|laptop: | tv-grab-au doesn't work |
| [13:53:40] | Juski: | heh. see the mythtv mailing lists about that ongoing debacle |
| [13:53:54] | daurn|laptop: | link? |
| [13:54:03] | daurn|laptop: | and... can i stop it from trying to run? |
| [13:54:23] | Juski: | what am I? your own google monkey? |
| [13:54:42] | daurn|laptop: | yes |
| [13:54:46] | daurn|laptop: | go monkey, GO |
| [13:54:47] | gardengnome: | 15:54 < Falballa> gardengnome: 'ml' could be http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ |
| [13:54:58] | gardengnome: | daurn|laptop: don't mess with the monkey, he'll get very angry. |
| [13:55:19] | Juski: | I'm over wanting to kill random people with shotguns now anyway |
| [13:55:39] | gardengnome: | sad. can't beat a good massacre. |
| [13:55:39] | ** daurn|laptop pets the monkey ** | |
| [13:57:26] | Juski: | right. gone is game-ui.xml from the theme |
| [13:57:26] | daurn|laptop: | so.... |
| [13:57:33] | Juski: | and news-ui.xml |
| [13:57:39] | daurn|laptop: | its there some way i can stop all this tv-grab stuff? |
| [13:57:49] | daurn|laptop: | i've never need an epg before, and i still don't |
| [13:57:58] | Juski: | you reckon? |
| [13:58:06] | jams: | Juski- not going to maintain those screens? |
| [13:58:17] | Juski: | jams- I don't use em |
| [13:58:24] | jams: | hehe |
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| [13:59:07] | Juski: | there is such a thing as making a rod for your own back, and maintaining two themes is pretty close |
| [13:59:52] | Juski: | dunno how you cope with your 4 |
| [14:02:03] | jams: | well I dropped the two midnight themes, cause I couldn't stand them |
| [14:02:12] | Juski: | heheh |
| [14:02:22] | jams: | the remaining 4 are color variations |
| [14:02:38] | Juski: | but.. but... people might have loved them... don't you feel... bad? ;-) |
| [14:02:50] | jams: | well 3 are color variations, the other one is different |
| [14:02:55] | jams: | nope |
| [14:03:16] | daurn|laptop: | ok |
| [14:03:20] | daurn|laptop: | finished with backend |
| [14:03:22] | daurn|laptop: | (i hope) |
| [14:03:26] | jams: | I *might* move midnight to be a vertical menu theme but that will be a ways off |
| [14:04:02] | jams: | I spent alot of time moving all the fonts into one file and making it so I could share xml files |
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| [14:04:28] | Juski: | I'm gonna start from scratch when the mythui stuff comes to fruition |
| [14:04:32] | Juski: | no messing about |
| [14:05:15] | jams: | first i'm going to finish my distro |
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| [14:05:36] | jams: | i'm pretty sure the number of people using my themes is very small |
| [14:05:45] | Juski: | me too |
| [14:06:04] | gardengnome: | gotta make them official :) |
| [14:06:15] | Juski: | I think the most popular would be mythcenter (sic) for some god damn unknown reason |
| [14:06:25] | gardengnome: | mythcenter is ugly, imho. |
| [14:06:29] | jams: | gardengnome- I asked about a year ago. Chutt said he would add them but never did. |
| [14:06:37] | jams: | at this point I could give a flying flip |
| [14:06:37] | gardengnome: | jams: make a ticket? |
| [14:06:50] | ** gardengnome wanders off to find some food, ttyl ** | |
| [14:06:54] | Juski: | I'm kinda going off the idea of making my themes official |
| [14:06:55] | jams: | gardengnome- dont care at all |
| [14:07:03] | Juski: | more work (yay!) |
| [14:08:59] | Juski: | on my frontend my livetv programme guide still has the overscan markers in it. Even I'm not using a released version of my own theme |
| [14:09:11] | jams: | hehehe |
| [14:09:18] | jams: | I kinda like the idea of overscan markers |
| [14:09:19] | psycodad: | does anybody if there is an explanation of the symbols/icons on the Main Screen-> Media Library-> Watch Recordings page in the details of the recording ? |
| [14:09:28] | Juski: | press 1 |
| [14:09:33] | jams: | psycodad- or f1 |
| [14:09:37] | Juski: | or RTFM.. take your pick |
| [14:09:57] | ** psycodad is astounished and ashame ;-) TY ** | |
| [14:10:37] | Juski: | ProjectGrayhem's new program icons are a big improvement on the old ones |
| [14:10:54] | Juski: | a * meaning 'bookmark'.. wtf is all that about? |
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| [14:11:18] | larzen: | has anyone gotten rivatv to compile? |
| [14:11:46] | Juski: | don't bother.. AFAIK it's not fully v4l compliant anyway |
| [14:12:01] | larzen: | yes I was reading that... |
| [14:12:03] | daurn|laptop: | yay |
| [14:12:06] | daurn|laptop: | i watched something! |
| [14:12:07] | daurn|laptop: | :P |
| [14:12:21] | larzen: | so there is essentially no support for nvtv cards today? |
| [14:12:30] | ** Juski realises he could be watching mythtv at his folks' place today ** | |
| [14:13:13] | Juski: | no larzen. your best bet is 1) hauppauge PVR or 2) DVB or 3) cable box with firewire or 4) IPTV STB.. (etc) |
| [14:13:33] | larzen: | cable box with firmware? |
| [14:13:52] | larzen: | im not following |
| [14:13:53] | Juski: | fire wire |
| [14:14:03] | Juski: | IEEE1394 |
| [14:14:11] | daurn|laptop: | how fast does your network connection have to be for realtime tv? |
| [14:14:19] | daurn|laptop: | (576i) |
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| [14:14:33] | |marvin|: | hello |
| [14:14:36] | larzen: | ok I see.. firewire.. .i read "firmware" |
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| [14:14:44] | larzen: | what is dvb? |
| [14:14:56] | GreyFoxx: | Digital Video Broadcast |
| [14:14:59] | daurn|laptop: | digital video broadcast(ing) |
| [14:15:04] | daurn|laptop: | damn your typing ;) |
| [14:15:05] | GreyFoxx: | digital sat, digital cable,etc etc |
| [14:15:26] | larzen: | right.. currently i have a motorola 2000x stb.. |
| [14:15:32] | Juski: | daurn|laptop: wireless prolly won't cut it & be reliable enough |
| [14:15:43] | elfranger: | how do I get larger font when I select Media Library? Been reading the FAQ but I don't get it... |
| [14:15:58] | daurn|laptop: | Juski: so HIGHER than 30mbps? |
| [14:16:03] | |marvin|: | may i have a quick beginners question ? I would like to know how to set myth to save my recordes by the name of the record, not by the number of it |
| [14:16:33] | larzen: | i guess I am stuck with Media Center until I get a 500-level Hauppage card |
| [14:16:43] | GreyFoxx: | |marvin|: Myth wont do that, you have to use an external script or something. There are some in the contrib directory ofthesource to do it |
| [14:17:01] | |marvin|: | Oh ... |
| [14:17:05] | Juski: | daurn|laptop: wired is still best. 10mbps may even be enough but how often does even 'G' wireless get you that reliably? |
| [14:17:21] | |marvin|: | maybe it wll do in futher |
| [14:17:33] | daurn|laptop: | what reliablity is likely to be lost? |
| [14:17:44] | Juski: | |marvin|: if you're looking to play recordings in windows (SPIT!) try Tapeworm |
| [14:17:49] | psycodad: | Juski: I can watch live TV over a DSL line, so I guess a good Wifi Link should work |
| [14:17:49] | jams: | wireless is not an good option unless your two feet away |
| [14:18:04] | jams: | way to much latency |
| [14:18:11] | psycodad: | im even running over ipsec, my max bw is about 700KB/s |
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| [14:18:27] | psycodad: | jams: right excellent coverage assumed |
| [14:18:41] | |marvin|: | Juski: no prob, i can play them with xine, i just have to find the in the record dir |
| [14:18:46] | Controller: | hey i have a stupid question... do you need digital cable to use myth tv? |
| [14:18:58] | jams: | psycodad- found it easier to run wires through the whole house then mess with wireless |
| [14:19:02] | psycodad: | and perhaps only lower quality, but im old – my eyes are weak, i see no difference between low and high ;-) |
| [14:19:05] | daurn|laptop: | jams: why does latency matter? – its tv |
| [14:19:05] | daurn|laptop: | :S |
| [14:19:35] | psycodad: | jams, i have 4 squeezeboxes spread already and a 802.11b and g in parallel on different channels.. |
| [14:19:50] | psycodad: | Controller: no |
| [14:20:05] | larzen: | so is Hauppauge the only one that works very well? do you recommend others? |
| [14:20:08] | jams: | let me know how video works for ya |
| [14:20:15] | daurn|laptop: | larzen: mine seems to work fine |
| [14:20:15] | daurn|laptop: | :P |
| [14:20:19] | Controller: | so where does the program guide come from if you are using standard tv? |
| [14:20:26] | larzen: | Avermedia perhaps? |
| [14:20:34] | |marvin|: | And there is even no way to save a record to a different place from inside the media center of myth ? |
| [14:20:35] | daurn|laptop: | i have aver |
| [14:20:40] | larzen: | I read the video4linux HCL . but.. you never know :) |
| [14:20:48] | larzen: | daurn – which one? |
| [14:20:53] | daurn|laptop: | 761 |
| [14:20:57] | daurn|laptop: | - OLD model |
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| [14:21:07] | elfranger: | how do I get larger font when I select Media Library? Been reading the FAQ but I don't get it... |
| [14:21:38] | psycodad: | Controller: depends on your country, here in switzerland i use xmltv to grab it from a website, however linking it to the right channels is time consuming (export channel table afterwards... ;-)) |
| [14:22:05] | Controller: | ahhh. ok |
| [14:22:10] | Controller: | thNK YOU SO MUCH |
| [14:22:16] | Controller: | oops caps :( |
| [14:23:09] | psycodad: | and while nobody asked: after some bad experiences, i can really recommend the hauppauge pvr150..its good thing for the price |
| [14:23:28] | larzen: | im looking at the Hauppauge products.. |
| [14:23:36] | larzen: | 150, 250, 350.. |
| [14:23:49] | larzen: | I know the 500 is a dual tuner... but what is 250 and 350? |
| [14:24:13] | psycodad: | 150 is cheapest with mpeg, the 250 has IIRC radio and the 500 has 2 independent tuners AFAIK like 2 150 |
| [14:24:19] | larzen: | 350 has a built in encoder / decoder ? |
| [14:24:38] | larzen: | yeah I dont care about the radio :) |
| [14:24:40] | psycodad: | all pvr x50 have builtin encoder |
| [14:25:10] | psycodad: | if the 500 is more than double the price of a 150, consider 2 150 |
| [14:25:40] | psycodad: | 350 has an output decoder to connect your tv or such...not sure though, i have backends and frontend completely separated.. |
| [14:25:53] | psycodad: | mpeg decoder to say.. |
| [14:26:38] | larzen: | I wodner if the 500 works with v4ln |
| [14:26:52] | ** psycodad writes a book about getting a mythtv expert and ruining your whole social life in only 5 days ... ** | |
| [14:27:06] | elfranger: | hehe |
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| [14:28:00] | larzen: | i got xbmc running.. with Myth.. very nice setup.. however, damn nvidia card is not supported |
| [14:28:04] | larzen: | they should open source their drivers |
| [14:29:08] | psycodad: | larzen: AFAIK yes, see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_PVR-500 |
| [14:29:33] | Juski: | they should stop making hardware they don't properly support, you mean ;-) |
| [14:30:14] | elfranger: | damn, I only get errors when I run xdpyinfo... anyone up for explaining why? |
| [14:30:14] | Juski: | larzen: pvr500 uses ivtv like all the pvr cards do |
| [14:33:27] | daurn|laptop: | ok |
| [14:33:29] | daurn|laptop: | new problem |
| [14:33:43] | daurn|laptop: | i can't get mythfrontend to output throuh the correct soundcard |
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| [14:34:22] | larzen: | Now I am forced to steal software |
| [14:34:24] | Juski: | I often had that problem in ubuntu |
| [14:34:32] | larzen: | software I dont even want! |
| [14:34:33] | Juski: | larzen: wtf? |
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| [14:34:38] | daurn|laptop: | ok, think i got it :D |
| [14:34:48] | daurn|laptop: | switched it to dsp1 instead of plain dsp |
| [14:34:50] | larzen: | Microsoft media center crap |
| [14:35:16] | Juski: | daurn|laptop: I found myself resetting mythtv's sound output dsp every other time I booted up... very sucky |
| [14:35:51] | daurn|laptop: | :( |
| [14:35:55] | Juski: | larzen: wtf does that have to do with mythtv? nothing, thats what. nobody is forcing you to use crap hardware, and don't go advertising the fact you steal software |
| [14:36:23] | Juski: | I fancy a new car but I don't want to buy one. I know I'll STEAL one ;-P |
| [14:38:06] | daurn|laptop: | is there instructions on howto setup music general settings? |
| [14:38:14] | daurn|laptop: | they *should* be here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Man . . . es_and_Setup |
| [14:38:19] | daurn|laptop: | but the section is empty |
| [14:38:20] | Juski: | daurn|laptop: only way I found to solve it was to disable the onboard audio in the BIOS.. it was either that or get nitty-gritty with alsa configs |
| [14:38:40] | Juski: | daurn|laptop: that's because nobody has filled it in yet |
| [14:38:51] | Juski: | it's up to users to contribute |
| [14:38:55] | daurn|laptop: | Juski: i WANT the onboard :P – its trying to use my old sound card that i use for the joystick port :S |
| [14:39:44] | daurn|laptop: | Juski: so... in Filename Format (Format used to grab information if no ID3 tags available), what are the values? |
| [14:39:52] | Juski: | daurn|laptop: so you'll have to do some black magic to make the sound devices always come up in the same order every time, so onboard is always DSP1 or whatever |
| [14:40:08] | daurn|laptop: | Juski: its seems to be fixed for now |
| [14:40:12] | Juski: | daurn|laptop: buggerred if I know/care |
| [14:41:08] | Juski: | let's have a look |
| [14:41:59] | Juski: | it's not immediately obvious is it? |
| [14:42:45] | Juski: | I think it assumes all your music is stored with the same filename annotation style |
| [14:43:22] | Juski: | and according to what you put in that line the info it displays is derived from the filename |
| [14:43:55] | Juski: | so if what is in that box is wrong (by the way you name your music files), the track info mythmusic displays will be wrong |
| [14:44:21] | daurn|laptop: | yeah |
| [14:44:33] | Juski: | not the end of the world |
| [14:44:34] | daurn|laptop: | but i would like to know what the variable values are |
| [14:44:40] | daurn|laptop: | eg, is it TRACK_NUMBER |
| [14:44:54] | Juski: | it's a case of UTSL I think |
| [14:44:58] | Juski: | oh yay for that |
| [14:45:02] | daurn|laptop: | , is it ALBUM_ARTIST etc |
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| [14:45:42] | Juski: | btw UTSL stands for 'use the source, Luke' |
| [14:46:21] | hatredx: | yea, another useless acro |
| [14:46:22] | Juski: | that'll teach you to have untagged music!!! |
| [14:47:04] | Juski: | I'm gonna start playing with XMMS when I get home |
| [14:54:01] | daurn|laptop: | i don't have untagged music |
| [14:54:01] | daurn|laptop: | :P |
| [14:54:10] | daurn|laptop: | just trying to fill in all options |
| [14:54:11] | daurn|laptop: | ;) |
| [15:02:29] | |marvin|: | cu, have a nice we |
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| [15:05:01] | gardengnome: | nee, sollte/wollte ich aber mal.. |
| [15:05:04] | gardengnome: | oops, sorry |
| [15:11:10] | daurn|laptop: | hey |
| [15:11:19] | daurn|laptop: | how do you customize what the buttons on your remote do? |
| [15:11:22] | null: | Anyone has an idea why I'm getting good sound on tuner0 but noise on tuner1? I'm using a PVR-500 MCE, the cable is ok... |
| [15:12:28] | Juski: | daurn|laptop: the lircrc file in ~/.mythtv |
| [15:13:21] | daurn|laptop: | btw, whats the best way to get mythbackend to start on startup? |
| [15:14:01] | Juski: | usually an init script |
| [15:14:12] | daurn|laptop: | how do/did you do it? |
| [15:14:33] | daurn|laptop: | o.o – i have no lircrc file |
| [15:14:36] | Juski: | see the ubuntu howto guide in the wiki |
| [15:15:01] | Juski: | you have no lircrc file – so then how does the remote even work at all?! |
| [15:15:10] | daurn|laptop: | the numbers on it work |
| [15:15:15] | Juski: | unless it's emulating a keyboard... |
| [15:15:18] | Juski: | ahhh |
| [15:15:39] | daurn|laptop: | - eg, in the music player, 1,2,3,4 etc do the prescribed functions |
| [15:15:43] | Juski: | there are howto guides for that. on the internet |
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| [15:16:25] | daurn|laptop: | what do i search for? |
| [15:17:09] | Juski: | name of your tuner card & lirc I guess |
| [15:17:23] | acm-: | whats the easier way to verify a capture card is outputting audio, if its not coming through the soundcard? |
| [15:17:33] | Juski: | maybe shove 'ubuntu' in the search string too |
| [15:18:13] | Juski: | acm-: plug some active speakers into the audio output of the tuner? (if it's one of them lame-ass software encoders) |
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| [15:20:55] | daurn|laptop: | BAHAHA |
| [15:21:07] | daurn|laptop: | i just figured out something thats been plagueing me for ages |
| [15:21:23] | Juski: | one of those brain worms, like I've got? |
| [15:21:40] | daurn|laptop: | my dmesg has been reporting strange key codes for the last 2 years |
| [15:21:44] | daurn|laptop: | - really pisses me off |
| [15:21:50] | daurn|laptop: | switched keyboards & everything |
| [15:22:05] | daurn|laptop: | - but its my stereo remote, interfering with the remote recievr on my tv card |
| [15:22:10] | Juski: | I never look in dmesg... too scared of seeing bad news |
| [15:22:54] | daurn|laptop: | well.... |
| [15:23:03] | daurn|laptop: | how can i stop it pretending the remote is a keyboard? |
| [15:23:30] | Juski: | noooo idea |
| [15:23:47] | Juski: | google for a lirc setup guide for that tuner card# |
| [15:24:10] | daurn|laptop: | i tried |
| [15:24:14] | daurn|laptop: | but nothing of inetrest |
| [15:24:56] | Juski: | what tuner? |
| [15:25:18] | enyc: | daurn|laptop: lol... how bizarre... strange keycodes — stereo! |
| [15:25:31] | daurn|laptop: | avermedia 761 |
| [15:25:53] | ** enyc wants to know howto find out where the mythtv-dvb mux support is being integrated // status of thes..... ** | |
| [15:26:05] | Juski: | enyc should look in trac then |
| [15:26:11] | enyc: | ?trac? |
| [15:26:13] | Juski: | and FYI it's not going well |
| [15:26:23] | Juski: | svn.mythtv.org/trac/ |
| [15:26:31] | ** enyc $ whatis trac -h Juski ** | |
| [15:26:43] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [15:26:57] | kormoc: | enyc, first page of the link says what trac is |
| [15:27:07] | enyc: | kk |
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| [15:28:55] | Juski: | ffs @ the knoppmyth wiki. it's indexed by google but you can't see it without joining up. lame!# |
| [15:29:08] | enyc: | Juski: right... im not sure howto lookup DVB infortion here... im not getting far |
| [15:29:41] | daurn|laptop: | Juski: the remote looks like this: http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/avermedia . . . 00041461.jpg |
| [15:30:05] | Juski: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1772 |
| [15:30:11] | daurn|laptop: | but a couple of buttons have different lables |
| [15:32:03] | enyc: | Juski: I see... I thougt the semantics would be a pain....... |
| [15:32:21] | enyc: | Juski: thatkyou for pointing out that ticket — im not sure how I could have found that myself yet |
| [15:32:32] | enyc: | Juski: that is useful in planning things etc. for me / others |
| [15:32:54] | Juski: | just buy more tuners |
| [15:33:00] | enyc: | Juski: indeed.... |
| [15:33:06] | Juski: | how much TV do you want to record at the same time anyway? |
| [15:33:34] | daurn|laptop: | why do you even want to record tv? |
| [15:33:34] | daurn|laptop: | :S |
| [15:33:40] | enyc: | Juski: I have machine with 5 pci slots and appropriate cards that work fine w/ loopthrough connectors... so... at least for _me_ its not a huge problem |
| [15:34:00] | enyc: | Juski: I can get wore cards as-needed |
| [15:34:20] | enyc: | Juski: ?do you happne to know about vstream/kworld remotes? |
| [15:34:25] | Juski: | no |
| [15:34:36] | Juski: | my backend doesn't have any remotes hanging off it |
| [15:34:45] | enyc: | Juski: nm, *thankyou focr pointing out that ticket* |
| [15:36:24] | Juski: | there should be courses folks can go on to learn how to search :-P |
| [15:37:11] | enyc: | Juski: the trouble is knowing what to search for exactly |
| [15:37:28] | Juski: | see my previous comment |
| [15:37:49] | sigger: | Juski: do you know if EPIA machines have CPU temparature sensors? |
| [15:38:01] | Juski: | yes and some versions of lmsensors LIE |
| [15:38:29] | sigger: | you know what program to run for them? |
| [15:38:44] | daurn|laptop: | how do i kill a process? |
| [15:38:50] | Juski: | the version I have right now says the cpu temp is 1000'C at idle or something equally ludicrous |
| [15:38:52] | daurn|laptop: | (i need to kill lircd) |
| [15:38:54] | gardengnome: | daurn|laptop: man kill, man killall |
| [15:39:08] | ** Juski pictures killing everything in sight ** | |
| [15:39:28] | Juski: | hmmmm massacre...# |
| [15:39:47] | daurn|laptop: | how do i get a list of pids? |
| [15:40:19] | Juski: | man ps |
| [15:40:20] | sigger: | daurn|laptop: ps ax | grep lirc |
| [15:40:32] | sigger: | that'll get you any lirc related process |
| [15:40:58] | daurnimator: | thanks |
| [15:41:15] | sigger: | (or even better read than man pages as they rightly suggested.) |
| [15:41:43] | daurn|laptop: | i didn't know it was ps |
| [15:41:48] | daurn|laptop: | i wouldn't know what to man |
| [15:41:49] | daurn|laptop: | ;) |
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| [15:42:30] | daurn|laptop: | how can i see what things are accessing/trying to access /dev/lirc? |
| [15:42:36] | ** Juski chucks a "linux for dummies" book at daurn|laptop with a huge amount of force ** | |
| [15:42:47] | kormoc: | lsof | grep '/dev/lirc' |
| [15:43:44] | daurn|laptop: | thanks |
| [15:43:49] | daurn|laptop: | and... damn |
| [15:43:55] | daurn|laptop: | theres nothing accesing it |
| [15:44:07] | daurn|laptop: | - but i have an error, another process has it open |
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| [15:47:04] | daurn|laptop: | :( |
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| [15:47:09] | daurn|laptop: | i just have no idea what to do |
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| [15:49:54] | Servo888: | No Mythtv updates in 3 months... What gives? |
| [15:50:29] | kormoc: | Servo888, no, there's been tons of updates in the past 3 months |
| [15:50:54] | Servo888: | kormoc, well in terms of releases. |
| [15:51:06] | kormoc: | 3 months is a short release cycle |
| [15:51:16] | kormoc: | myth has had a year or so between releases in the past |
| [15:51:20] | Servo888: | even small ones... like 19.2 |
| [15:51:29] | kormoc: | there is no 0.19.1 or 0.19.2 |
| [15:51:35] | kormoc: | if you want newer code |
| [15:51:37] | kormoc: | you can run svn |
| [15:52:31] | Servo888: | Nah I need stability mostly. |
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| [15:53:03] | kormoc: | then let them release the releases when they feel it's stable |
| [15:54:26] | Servo888: | Mostly – just news is what I'm after. Would be nice to hear updates and such |
| [15:54:47] | Juski: | so subscribe to the mailing list |
| [15:54:49] | Juski: | s |
| [15:55:11] | Juski: | sorry we forgot to tell you what'd changed |
| [15:56:58] | Servo888: | you guys wake up on the wrong side of the bed or something?... |
| [15:58:10] | Juski: | no I'm always this cranky |
| [16:00:15] | kormoc: | Servo888, there's specific ways to hear about info. Mailing lists, svn commit logs, etc. People always come into the channel and bitch about releases or the lack there of when it's not our fault they don't want to use the standard ways to hear about it... a single day doesn't go by without someone asking that same question... |
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| [16:06:31] | podzap: | people like to talk to people |
| [16:06:40] | Juski: | people are lazy bastards |
| [16:06:45] | podzap: | interactive, you know |
| [16:06:50] | sigger: | Servo888: scary part is you got the _nice_ guys |
| [16:07:11] | Juski: | think yourself lucky mcwho isnt here |
| [16:07:34] | sigger: | or evilDag |
| [16:07:42] | podzap: | hehe |
| [16:08:26] | podzap: | most of the people who are real egotistical assholes on irc are like 55kg and couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper sack in real life. |
| [16:08:30] | podzap: | just ignore them. |
| [16:08:47] | Juski: | there might be some mileage in making a random noob bot program just to annoy people |
| [16:09:42] | daurn|laptop: | any1 want to help me? |
| [16:09:46] | daurn|laptop: | i can't get irrecord to woek |
| [16:09:47] | daurn|laptop: | work |
| [16:09:58] | daurnimator: | $ irrecord test |
| [16:09:58] | daurnimator: | irrecord – application for recording IR-codes for usage with lirc |
| [16:09:58] | daurnimator: | Copyright (C) 1998,1999 Christoph Bartelmus(lirc@bartelmus.de ) |
| [16:09:58] | daurnimator: | irrecord: could not init hardware (lircd running ? --> close it, check permissions) |
| [16:10:41] | Juski: | are the lirc modules loaded hmm? |
| [16:10:50] | kormoc: | is lirc running? |
| [16:11:05] | kormoc: | did you close it and check permissions? |
| [16:11:11] | daurnimator: | i checked |
| [16:11:17] | daurnimator: | i'm pretty sure its not running |
| [16:11:23] | daurnimator: | but – i don't know how to check for sure |
| [16:11:31] | kormoc: | ps ax | grep lircd ? |
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| [16:12:01] | daurnimator: | ~$ ps ax | grep lirc |
| [16:12:01] | daurnimator: | 6037 pts/1 R+ 0:00 grep lirc |
| [16:12:23] | Juski: | is the lirc module loaded hmm? |
| [16:12:37] | daurnimator: | ? |
| [16:13:17] | Juski: | http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t= . . . f5c6b5acf9c6 |
| [16:13:21] | Juski: | join up to read it |
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| [16:15:17] | daurnimator: | me? |
| [16:18:09] | daurnimator: | yes |
| [16:18:10] | daurnimator: | :P |
| [16:21:52] | Juski: | !trout knoppmythuser not_putting_stuff_in_the_OFFICIAL_wiki |
| [16:21:52] | ** MythLogBot slaps knoppmythuser with a not_putting_stuff_in_the_OFFICIAL_wiki trout on behalf of Juski... ** | |
| [16:22:25] | daurnimator: | damn |
| [16:22:31] | daurnimator: | lirc fails compile |
| [16:22:38] | daurnimator: | following their exact instructions |
| [16:22:39] | daurnimator: | :S |
| [16:22:54] | Juski: | damn. you've prolly not got build-essential or the kernel headers man |
| [16:23:01] | daurnimator: | na |
| [16:23:06] | daurnimator: | something undefined |
| [16:23:11] | daurnimator: | - like – a code problem |
| [16:23:39] | daurnimator: | usr/src/lirc-0.7.2/drivers/lirc_gpio/lirc_gpio.c:71: error: ‘BTTV_UNKNOWN’ undeclared here (not in a function) |
| [16:24:33] | Juski: | what version of lirc is available for ubuntu anyway? |
| [16:24:42] | Juski: | it might even be newer than 0.7.2 |
| [16:26:04] | daurnimator: | 0.7.1 |
| [16:26:35] | Juski: | did you run ./configure btw ? |
| [16:26:54] | daurnimator: | ./setup.sh does it for you |
| [16:27:01] | daurnimator: | and... of course |
| [16:27:01] | Juski: | ah right |
| [16:27:07] | daurnimator: | otherwise i'd have no make files |
| [16:27:08] | daurnimator: | :P |
| [16:27:31] | gardengnome: | them kernel-headers... i think i've seen errors for a bttv-related lirc module when using them |
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| [16:27:38] | Juski: | steady. you're starting to sound like you don't need any help |
| [16:29:11] | daurnimator: | lol |
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| [16:35:59] | daurnimator: | so.... |
| [16:36:01] | daurnimator: | what do i do? |
| [16:36:05] | daurnimator: | gardengnome: ? |
| [16:36:24] | gardengnome: | dunno :) search the web? |
| [16:39:05] | kormoc: | BTTV_UNKNOWN is defined in 2.6.9 but not in 2.6.17 |
| [16:39:15] | kormoc: | so it's likely a kernel version/lirc version mismatch |
| [16:40:22] | kormoc: | as in 2.6.17, it's now BTTV_BOARD_UNKNOWN |
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| [16:41:23] | daurnimator: | so... |
| [16:41:28] | daurnimator: | i have to change lirc source? |
| [16:41:38] | kormoc: | or get newer source from lirc |
| [16:41:59] | kormoc: | but you'll have to change every BTTV_* to BTTV_BOARD_* and any other kernel version changes |
| [16:42:01] | daurnimator: | that is newest afaik |
| [16:42:04] | kormoc: | or you can just downgrade your kernel |
| [16:42:42] | kormoc: | here you go |
| [16:42:45] | kormoc: | 2.6.15 changed it |
| [16:42:49] | kormoc: | and there's lirc patches |
| [16:43:03] | kormoc: | http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php? . . . month=200512 |
| [16:43:35] | daurnimator: | yay! |
| [16:45:06] | daurnimator: | damn |
| [16:45:11] | daurnimator: | the patch was too long |
| [16:45:14] | daurnimator: | and got cut off |
| [16:46:28] | daurnimator: | ah |
| [16:46:31] | daurnimator: | found a zip of it |
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| [16:48:32] | daurnimator: | oh fsck |
| [16:48:35] | daurnimator: | it didn't wok |
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| [16:55:08] | daurnimator: | .. |
| [16:55:13] | daurnimator: | i don't get it: |
| [16:55:14] | daurnimator: | root@desktop:/usr/src/lirc# ls |
| [16:55:15] | daurnimator: | acconfig.h AUTHORS configure.in COPYING data2setup.sh INSTALL README setup-driver.sh tools |
| [16:55:15] | daurnimator: | acinclude.m4 autogen.sh configure.sh CVS doc Makefile.am remotes setup.sh |
| [16:55:15] | daurnimator: | ANNOUNCE ChangeLog contrib daemons drivers NEWS setup.data TODO |
| [16:55:15] | daurnimator: | root@desktop:/usr/src/lirc# ./configure.sh |
| [16:55:17] | daurnimator: | ./configure.sh: line 4: ./configure: No such file or directory |
| [16:56:54] | Zider: | configure.sh is trying to run "configure" which in turn doesn't exist for some reason |
| [16:57:21] | daurnimator: | oh.... |
| [16:57:24] | daurnimator: | wtf |
| [16:58:08] | RaYmAn-Bx: | does that come from a release tarball? |
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| [16:58:18] | daurnimator: | yes |
| [16:58:24] | daurnimator: | wait |
| [16:58:25] | daurnimator: | no |
| [16:58:32] | daurnimator: | this on is from their cvs |
| [16:58:32] | RaYmAn-Bx: | that explains it then. |
| [16:58:53] | RaYmAn-Bx: | people don't generally put autogenerated files on cvs/svn |
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| [16:59:08] | RaYmAn-Bx: | for obvious reasons |
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| [16:59:22] | RaYmAn-Bx: | it might work if you run ./autogen.sh first |
| [16:59:44] | daurnimator: | ok |
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| [17:03:33] | daurnimator: | ok... |
| [17:03:38] | daurnimator: | missing MakeFile.in |
| [17:03:42] | daurnimator: | whats wrong now? |
| [17:03:46] | kormoc: | run automake? |
| [17:04:02] | kormoc: | you know, this is why they do packaged releases :P |
| [17:04:13] | daurnimator: | packaged release is old – no patch |
| [17:04:20] | daurnimator: | cvs has patch |
| [17:04:24] | daurnimator: | - according to mailing list |
| [17:04:28] | kormoc: | distros tend to have patched versions |
| [17:04:58] | kormoc: | given the whole point of a distro is to do this for you |
| [17:05:32] | daurnimator: | hmmm |
| [17:05:46] | daurnimator: | error is i don't have automake 1.5 or above |
| [17:05:47] | daurnimator: | - but i do |
| [17:05:58] | kormoc: | it's likely not linked as automake |
| [17:06:02] | daurnimator: | its seems to be only detecting the lowest version of automake i have |
| [17:06:05] | kormoc: | try automake-version you have that is 1.5 or above |
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| [17:06:26] | daurnimator: | damn |
| [17:06:33] | daurnimator: | default one is 1.46 |
| [17:06:42] | kormoc: | that's standard |
| [17:06:43] | daurnimator: | - but i use up to 1.9 for things |
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| [17:07:13] | kormoc: | I have automake 1.4, 1.5, 1.6, 1.7, 1.8, and 1.9 installed, and the 'default' one is 1.4 |
| [17:08:21] | daurnimator: | how do i change the 'default' one? |
| [17:08:26] | kormoc: | you don't |
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| [17:08:31] | kormoc: | run the automake-1.9 |
| [17:08:41] | kormoc: | if you change the default one, things will break later |
| [17:09:31] | daurnimator: | o...k |
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| [17:16:40] | daurnimator: | damn |
| [17:16:43] | daurnimator: | didn't work |
| [17:16:57] | daurnimator: | doesn't agree with automake 1.7,1.8 or 1.9 |
| [17:18:05] | kormoc: | try 1.5 and 1.6? |
| [17:18:17] | daurnimator: | don't have them |
| [17:18:21] | daurnimator: | - and not in apt-get |
| [17:18:37] | kormoc: | welp, guess you're stuck |
| [17:20:44] | daurnimator: | wow |
| [17:20:45] | daurnimator: | wtf |
| [17:20:47] | daurnimator: | it just... |
| [17:20:49] | daurnimator: | worked |
| [17:20:59] | daurnimator: | i was mindlessly pressing enter while thinking |
| [17:21:03] | daurnimator: | NOTHING has changed |
| [17:21:21] | kormoc: | you're computer is possessed, hire a priest stat! |
| [17:21:43] | daurnimator: | damn |
| [17:21:48] | daurnimator: | new error |
| [17:21:50] | ** daurnimator cries ** | |
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| [17:24:16] | daurnimator: | make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev' |
| [17:24:17] | daurnimator: | Makefile:246: *** missing separator. Stop. |
| [17:24:17] | daurnimator: | make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/lirc/drivers/lirc_dev' |
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| [17:32:31] | Led-Hed: | Any recomendations for a Soundcard that does Optical/CoAx digital out? |
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| [17:37:59] | Krazylegz: | Anyone remember off the top of his/her head which network driver I need for a Pundit-R? |
| [17:38:10] | Krazylegz: | I thought it was Realtek 8139too. |
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| [17:43:11] | roger55: | Krazylegz, what does lspci | grep -i eth say? |
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| [17:46:07] | Krazylegz: | Eh, too late. I think it's a 3c95x. :-) |
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| [17:47:06] | Krazylegz: | Yep. Thanks for the help though. |
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| [17:51:04] | Krazylegz: | Hey xris. |
| [17:51:50] | xris: | mornign |
| [17:53:43] | roger55: | hmm what could make mythfrontend crash along with X last entry in frontendlog is: |
| [17:53:46] | roger55: | 2006-09–02 19:32:57.544 nVidiaVideoSync: Could not open device /dev/nvidia0, No such file or directory |
| [17:54:07] | roger55: | there's no nvidia card in that box |
| [17:54:31] | poonj: | hey guys...I have a question |
| [17:54:44] | poonj: | I bought a motherboard that has 4 SATA connectors on the motherboard |
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| [17:54:55] | podzap: | yes |
| [17:54:57] | poonj: | when I boot up, it uses a master/slave configuration |
| [17:55:13] | podzap: | sata doesn't have a concept of master/slave |
| [17:55:21] | poonj: | for one SATA channel it says it has a master/slave |
| [17:55:29] | poonj: | I don't know..thats why I'm asking |
| [17:55:34] | poonj: | becuase I thought there wasn't such thing |
| [17:55:45] | podzap: | it could be a "port replicator" sata channel |
| [17:55:53] | poonj: | port replicator? |
| [17:55:58] | podzap: | which can handle multiple ports from one connector |
| [17:56:43] | xris: | roger55: have you unintentionally enabled xvmc? |
| [17:57:07] | roger55: | xris, hmm I have recompiled mythtv without xvmc |
| [17:57:28] | roger55: | xris, afaik. where does it get that nvidia thing from? |
| [17:57:49] | roger55: | or how do I best check that this is the case? |
| [17:57:52] | xris: | no clue. You could try runing with `-v all` to get more errors, though |
| [17:58:55] | Anduin: | roger55: It is just probing for sync methods, you may safely ignore it. |
| [17:59:09] | roger55: | Anduin, it crashes frontend and X |
| [17:59:18] | roger55: | Anduin, so much for safely ignoring ;) |
| [17:59:58] | roger55: | well I'm not sure that this is the fault, it just is the last entry in the log before the crash |
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| [18:00:32] | ** roger55 pastebins some more -v all ** | |
| [18:00:50] | poonj: | podzap, so i can't really connect 4 individual devices? |
| [18:01:25] | podzap: | poonj: i have 6 sata connectors on my motherboard, and i have 6 hard drives connected. |
| [18:01:57] | Anduin: | roger55: It tried nVidia video sync, then DRM vsync, then (if enabled) OpenGL, then RTC (on linux), and finally usleep. |
| [18:02:02] | Anduin: | er tries |
| [18:02:34] | roger55: | so you think it might crash on something else? |
| [18:03:38] | Anduin: | roger55: It is extremely unlikely that it is the nVidia test as that fails and prints that (and the check is just a file check if it doesn't actually exist) |
| [18:03:53] | roger55: | http://rafb.net/paste/results/xdyq0n84.html |
| [18:04:10] | roger55: | here's a snippet before it crashes |
| [18:04:37] | xris: | !seen Beirdo |
| [18:04:37] | MythLogBot: | Beirdo was last seen 3 days 21 hours 40 minutes 8 seconds ago |
| [18:04:46] | xris: | heh |
| [18:04:51] | roger55: | do you think it is misconfigured or badly installed? |
| [18:04:58] | xris: | !trout MythLogBot clue |
| [18:04:58] | ** MythLogBot slaps MythLogBot with a clue trout on behalf of xris... ** | |
| [18:06:31] | Anduin: | roger55: You have a /dev/dri/card0? |
| [18:06:51] | roger55: | yes |
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| [18:07:11] | roger55: | 660 root:video |
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| [18:11:30] | Anduin: | roger55: I'd try disabling DRI in xorg.conf |
| [18:11:31] | Rule: | hmm occasionally NVP disables audio for recordings :/ |
| [18:11:44] | Rule: | "Parser not found for Codec Id: 94211 !" |
| [18:12:56] | podzap: | ah, nothing like a 4-pack of guiness |
| [18:14:14] | ** Rule already drank half his case of Westvleteren ** | |
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| [18:17:44] | roger55: | Anduin, ok thanks. |
| [18:20:13] | poonj: | its weird |
| [18:20:24] | word|sleep is now known as word | |
| [18:20:30] | poonj: | sometimes one of the SATA HDs is not detected |
| [18:20:39] | poonj: | but I realized there are two SATA controllers |
| [18:20:45] | poonj: | each one controlling two channels |
| [18:21:01] | poonj: | hopefully its the cable |
| [18:21:50] | podzap: | i have two sata controllers also, one controls 4 ports, and the other controls 2 ports. |
| [18:23:39] | poonj: | podzap, okay |
| [18:24:07] | poonj: | podzap, the drives are now detected after I changed how the cables were connected |
| [18:24:27] | poonj: | the case I have has a weird configuration on how it installs the HDs |
| [18:24:40] | poonj: | so I had to kind of really bend the cables to make it fit |
| [18:24:58] | poonj: | but I undid that, and now it seems the HDs are workig normally now |
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| [18:32:41] | s_g_robertson: | Hi folks, I wonder if anyone can help me with an intermittent problem with Mythbackend. Every few days or so something happens that means I can't access the backend from any frontend or mythweb. http://pastebin.ca/159128 has the (hopefullY) relevant parts from the logs |
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| [18:38:33] | Anduin: | s_g_robertson: Do you have a lot of things connecting to the backend? |
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| [18:41:25] | s_g_robertson: | anduin:No just the one frontend which isn't on all the time. And I very occasionaly connect from a laptop. Plus Mythweb |
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| [18:46:50] | Anduin: | s_g_robertson: The "Waiting for a process request thread" should only show up in rare conditions |
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| [18:51:24] | s_g_robertson: | anduin: lucky me!!! |
| [18:52:16] | Octane: | has anyone here gone from a regular tv to an hdtv w/ mythtv, how much of a pain was it? :) |
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| [19:13:52] | s_g_robertson: | anduin:I've had the same problem again today but there is no sign of "Waiting for a process request thread" in the logs. Could be that the verbosity level was different, but there are no errors in the backend log. It successfully commercial flagged a recording overnight. Now when I tried to go to the watch recordings screen from either of my frontends all I get is a readStringList: Error,... |
| [19:13:54] | s_g_robertson: | ...timeout |
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| [19:15:16] | Anduin: | s_g_robertson: That message is VB_IMPORTANT so it shouldn't be the level. |
| [19:17:30] | s_g_robertson: | anduin: OK at the very least it would have been the default which I beleive includes VB_IMPORTANT |
| [19:18:43] | Anduin: | Yes, important is the general default display level. So there is nothing useful in the new backend log? |
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| [19:23:12] | word: | Anduin: looks like the fix doesn't completely solve it..but it stood up to more than it would before. |
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| [19:24:44] | cornell: | Why can't I rip a dvd? I'm in the import dvd function, the title shows, I can pick the various functions... like quality, etc. I hit the 0 to process the selected title, and it responds with no jobs to do. I've gone so far as to reboot. BTW I was ripping this DVD before... it got interrupted by a power loss. Are there some kind of temp files left hanging that need to be cleaned up?... I was able to make an iso (unintentiona |
| [19:25:33] | cornell: | I've finally thought to change the of the title.... and now it's rippin' |
| [19:25:46] | s_g_robertson: | anduin:http://pastebin.ca/159162 is the end of the the latest mythbackend log |
| [19:26:32] | Anduin: | cornell: Yes it won't overwrite a file, in the mtd log there is a message, no good UI for it though. |
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| [19:34:23] | Anduin: | s_g_robertson: Yeah I don't see anything that seems overly bad there. |
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| [19:40:01] | s_g_robertson: | anduin: I'm now at a loss I don't really have any ideas on what to try. |
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| [19:48:28] | poonj: | hey fysa, are you there? |
| [19:50:58] | cornell: | Anduin: how can I get rid of the extraneous files? |
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| [19:52:20] | cornell: | (and where would I find the mtd log?) |
| [19:55:42] | Anduin: | cornell: You'd delete it, you could do it with mythvideo for example. The mtd log is in the temporary rip directory. |
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| [20:01:15] | cornell: | k, yhanks |
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| [20:10:26] | moto125: | can anyone help me? I get this error when viewing live tv: could not find suitable xvideo surface |
| [20:15:07] | Anduin: | moto125: try running mythfrontend with -v all (or at least add playback). |
| [20:15:26] | gardengnome: | -v all,nodatabase might be better – those mysql queries can be annoying :) |
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| [20:18:56] | moto125: | i get a bunch of audio waiting for available space, broadcasting available space |
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| [20:23:27] | poonj: | man, I don't know what to do |
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| [20:28:39] | moto125: | Anduin: xvinfo says no adapters present, how can i fix that? |
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| [20:30:45] | bocaJ: | I am currently setting up a mythTV box on FC5, does anyone know if I will have any problems following the FC4 guide at http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php? also, I have two 320gb harddrives, what will be the best way to configure these? |
| [20:30:53] | poonj: | for some reason, one of my SATA hds has problems being recognized. sometimes it fails to register when booting up |
| [20:31:03] | poonj: | other times it works after I power down the computer and reboot |
| [20:31:12] | poonj: | do you think that is a controller problem? |
| [20:31:27] | poonj: | a hard drive problem, or the connector/cable problem? |
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| [20:31:35] | poonj: | because when it does work, everything runs fine... |
| [20:32:34] | bocaJ: | poonj – does it ever stop working once the computer has been booted up? |
| [20:32:43] | poonj: | not that I have noticed so far |
| [20:32:49] | poonj: | it seems to be working just fine |
| [20:32:51] | poonj: | I have it booted up now |
| [20:33:16] | poonj: | I just changed the cable...so I'm going to see if its that |
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| [20:37:41] | moto125: | anyone know where to get drivers for a radeon 9550 for debian? |
| [20:39:41] | poonj: | ati.com? |
| [20:39:47] | poonj: | they have proprietary drivers.. |
| [20:39:56] | poonj: | never tried it myself though |
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| [20:44:51] | poddo24: | anyone know why all im getting is static? |
| [20:45:29] | poddo24: | i had myth working on this same computer but on fedora4, now i re-installed with knoppmyth and its not working |
| [20:45:54] | poddo24: | i tested the signal by plugging the cable into my tv, and it gets a signal |
| [20:46:02] | poddo24: | when i scan for channels, it finds nothing |
| [20:47:56] | bocaJ: | does anyone know how to configure a logical volume so my /video partition can be transparent over multiple drives? |
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| [20:49:01] | gonzzor: | bocaJ: Like LVM? |
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| [20:49:21] | bocaJ: | yeah, but I'm a newb, so I don't know how to use/set that up :) |
| [20:50:00] | gonzzor: | bocaJ: Here is some info from Gentoo http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/lvm2.xml |
| [20:50:10] | gonzzor: | There is a link to tldp.org |
| [20:51:27] | Dakirith: | anywhere that I can find a good list of suppported mpeg2 cards? |
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| [20:51:33] | bocaJ: | thanks! |
| [20:54:05] | nero: | Dakirith, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category . . . apture_cards |
| [20:54:17] | nero: | the hauppage PVR series are the most commonly used ones.. |
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| [20:55:39] | Dakirith: | thanks |
| [20:55:44] | nero: | np |
| [20:56:17] | nero: | not all the ones listed there are mpeg2.. a bunch are OTA HD cards, cards that require software encoding, etc.. |
| [20:57:35] | bocaJ: | Any thoughts on how big my swap space should be? |
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| [20:58:24] | nero: | bocaJ, if I am not mistaken, it is usually 2x the RAM you have? though on my box with 2 gigs of RAM I have 2 gigs of swap, and it hasn't been a problem. |
| [20:58:33] | Dakirith: | can I find a list of supported MPEG2 Encoder cards anywhere then? |
| [20:58:49] | bocaJ: | do I need to partition swap space on both physical drives? |
| [20:59:17] | nero: | Dakirith, Just click through the 15–20 cards listed there.. it tells you under each card what type of card it is.. |
| [20:59:39] | nero: | the PVR-x50 cards *may* be the only mpeg2 supported cards.. |
| [20:59:40] | Led-Hed: | Anyone here using SPDIF Out? I can get it to work for Xine and XMMS, but not for MythTV |
| [20:59:44] | nero: | but I am no tpositive. |
| [20:59:45] | poddo24: | can anyone help me figure out why im getting nothing but static? |
| [20:59:57] | nero: | Led-Hed, I use spdif out.. |
| [21:00:04] | nero: | what kind of soundcard do you have? |
| [21:00:14] | Led-Hed: | nero, nForce2 |
| [21:00:23] | podzap: | use dvb and you don't need mpeg encoders |
| [21:01:33] | nero: | Led-Hed, look around on the wiki- I am pretty sure there is a howto for doing spdif specifically for the nForce2 |
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| [21:02:12] | Led-Hed: | nero, thanks |
| [21:04:55] | nero: | Led-Hed, I think this is the article I was thinking of: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Configuring_Digital_Sound |
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| [21:08:10] | Led-Hed: | nero, thanks again |
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| [21:14:17] | Unrooting: | Does anyone how of an good tutorials that explains on how to adjust the cable picture in mythtv? |
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| [21:17:48] | Unrooting: | To obtain a better quality picture? |
| [21:21:00] | poddo24: | when i type dmesg, the only thing that prints is about 50 lines of "tuner type not set" |
| [21:21:07] | poddo24: | how do i set it? |
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| [21:24:06] | bocaJ: | Gonzzor, do you know what a good physical extent size is? |
| [21:24:37] | Adam: | hey all |
| [21:33:52] | gonzzor: | bocaJ: Sorry, have no idea.. |
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| [21:35:31] | LedHed: | still no Sound for Live TV or Recordings. :( |
| [21:38:25] | poddo24: | options ivtv tuner=50 should be in my modprobe.conf, if i have a pvr 150. if i have 2 pvr 150s, do i add a second entry of that? or change it to 50,-1? |
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| [21:56:36] | LedHed: | didnt there use to be a mythtv.info site that had lots of howto's on it? |
| [21:56:59] | jams: | it moved to mythtv.org |
| [21:57:07] | GreyFoxx: | www.mythtv.org/wiki/ |
| [21:57:17] | LedHed: | ahh. same info? |
| [21:57:30] | GreyFoxx: | I believe so |
| [21:57:52] | LedHed: | There use to be a nForce2 SPDIF howto on mythtv.info. but I cant find it on the wiki |
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| [22:08:48] | RaYmAn-Bx: | hmm, anyone happen to know if there are any scripts out there to get rid of database entries with no matching file? |
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| [22:19:08] | tanq: | what CPU fans do you recommend that work well, but are pretty silent? |
| [22:19:29] | tanq: | my box is a little loud for the living room. |
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| [22:35:47] | word: | simcop2387: hey |
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| [22:44:20] | Matrix9: | Why doesn't my channel scan option detect channel 3? yet detects all the other channels, i have it set to us-cable ? |
| [22:47:03] | GreyFoxx: | Well, I can't answer that, but if you are in the US with cable you shouldn't need to scan for channels as all of thatinfo is gotten when you download the program listings from zap2it |
| [22:47:47] | ** GreyFoxx heads out for supper ** | |
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| [22:47:51] | magneticubuntu: | re |
| [22:48:15] | magneticubuntu: | hi guys how can i tell if my pvr350 is mounted as /dev/video0 or /dev/video1 please? |
| [22:49:36] | GreyFoxx: | I'm pretty sure the output of the ivtv modules when loaded includes what it was mapped to |
| [22:49:49] | GreyFoxx: | you can try dmesg after running thme |
| [22:49:58] | GreyFoxx: | or check the ivtvctl command asit might give you some info |
| [22:50:04] | ** GreyFoxx heads out really this time ** | |
| [22:51:00] | magneticubuntu: | GreyFoxx, 57.414050] ivtv0: Initialized WinTV PVR 350, card #0 does that make it /dev/video0? |
| [22:53:07] | word: | magneticubuntu: that and the ivtv0 probably do |
| [22:53:30] | Matrix9: | GreyFoxx, I removed them and rescanned it, seems to work this time, I got finally got the main Mythtv module compiled and running, looks really cool, it's come along away – last time i tried getting some like .13 or something like that running and gave up. |
| [22:54:40] | word: | hmmm i've managed to make it so i can run mythfrontend on a sperate x server..on a seperate screen..one problem...it shuts off my 'main' screen while it's running. |
| [22:55:05] | Matrix9: | while watching tv, what do you press to get a full screen guide? |
| [22:55:46] | word: | er...some button that pops up a menu then you press enter..not sure what button though lol.. |
| [22:55:54] | magneticubuntu: | guys: when I run mythfrontend and select "watchtv" i get a black screen any ideas? |
| [22:56:11] | Matrix9: | magneticubuntu, do you have a pvr-250? |
| [22:56:13] | magneticubuntu: | this errror comes up in shell: X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168 |
| [22:56:26] | magneticubuntu: | Matrix9, pvr350 |
| [22:56:53] | Matrix9: | Check your video setup and make sure it doesn't say analog says pvr-x50 in top |
| [22:57:21] | magneticubuntu: | what do you mean "video setup" and thx for your help |
| [22:58:46] | Adam: | is there any general htpc irc channles? I need some advice with a shuttle box. I sorted my myth tv problem. |
| [22:59:31] | magneticubuntu: | Matrix9, what do you mean by video setup? |
| [22:59:34] | Matrix9: | magneticubuntu, in mythtv-setup – capture card, for card-type do you have pvr-x50 selected? |
| [23:01:11] | magneticubuntu: | yeah |
| [23:03:21] | magneticubuntu: | ? |
| [23:03:23] | magneticubuntu: | it is |
| [23:03:34] | magneticubuntu: | what is the x error? |
| [23:03:48] | Matrix9: | hmm then no idea, for me i had the wrong type by default selected so that fixed it |
| [23:05:05] | Anduin: | magneticubuntu: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=212025 for the X error, the blank screen can be caused by many things, are you trying to use the 350 out? |
| [23:05:20] | magneticubuntu: | Anduin, no i'm using my lcd monitor |
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| [23:06:05] | magneticubuntu: | Anduin, thx for the link i have those weird "wacom" drivers in my xconfig |
| [23:06:25] | cornell: | Can anyone give me a rundown on quality: good, medium, excellent and perfect? |
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| [23:08:10] | Anduin: | perfect is a direct VOBU packet copy from the DVD, the others, well the exact settings are in the dvdtranscode table, lower though. |
| [23:08:34] | cornell: | Is that the order of the quality, from good to perfect? |
| [23:08:50] | Anduin: | cornell: Yes. |
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| [23:09:21] | cornell: | So... perfect is a copy, and the rest are like... degrees of compression? |
| [23:10:05] | Anduin: | cornell: The rest are just calls to transcode the .vob into yes, lower quality and different codecs. |
| [23:10:15] | cornell: | k |
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| [23:10:35] | cornell: | When I import a DVD, is the .avi the only result? |
| [23:11:13] | cornell: | That is... can I move them to other places, such as genre specific subdirectories? |
| [23:12:38] | word: | Anduin: hmm what could be wrong if i've managed to start up a new x server with mythfrontend running...and it running on my tv...but when it runs my monitor stops getting signal...and then when i exit mythfrontend (therefore shutting down that x server) my monitor starts up again |
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| [23:16:06] | Anduin: | cornell: .avi for the transcoded version, .vob for perfect, and yes, you can move them wherever you like. |
| [23:16:43] | cornell: | Thanks Anduin. |
| [23:16:45] | cornell: | TTFN |
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| [23:17:26] | Matrix9: | I'm finding the live-tv image a bit dark, how do i brighten it up? |
| [23:18:02] | Anduin: | word: I'm entirely unfamiliar with that situation |
| [23:18:16] | Matrix9: | I went to recording profiles, live tv but didn't see anything that let me control brightness, i think i remember seeing something in channel editor on mythtv-setup but that seemed to be by channel |
| [23:18:18] | word: | ah..me too ;p |
| [23:19:27] | Anduin: | Matrix9: Hit f when watching |
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| [23:23:37] | Matrix9: | Anduin, I hit record on a show and now I can't watch live tv, is this normal? shouldn' tit just jump to the current live tv channel, regardless if its recording it? |
| [23:24:03] | Matrix9: | I had exited live tv to see if i can find where to brighten it up |
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| [23:26:44] | Anduin: | Matrix9: No (occasionally people ask for it to do that though). You can go watch it in Watch Recordings |
| [23:34:13] | Matrix9: | Anduin, I had recorded a show to test it, but its not appearing in my media library, i also went to 'manage recordings', previous recorded, hit the selected file but it just says OK but doesn't do anything when i hit enter on the file |
| [23:34:49] | Matrix9: | Is there supposed to be a menu item called "Watch records" on the front menu? |
| [23:34:56] | Matrix9: | records=recordings |
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| [23:35:41] | evil_andy: | YAY! finally got a PVR-150 |
| [23:35:48] | Anduin: | Matrix9: No, previous recorded just show everything you've recorded (you don't play from there), go to the Watch Recordings screen and hit 'm' and see if you aren't just filtering it out. |
| [23:36:08] | evil_andy: | managed to get one from Circuit City (the MCE edition w/ remote) for $79 out the door |
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| [23:36:36] | evil_andy: | (circuit city left up the old price ($99 w/ $20 MIR) on the shelf... for over a month, and when I took it up to the register it came up as $129. I told the guy what the shelf price said, he looked at it, said it was old, then gave me the POST MIR PRICE at the register!!! |
| [23:36:58] | evil_andy: | so now, after I finally fixed ALSA, I can build a proper mythtv box |
| [23:37:44] | Matrix9: | Anduin, yes I went there, Media Library – Watch Recording and all I see is 3 shows i had watched on live tv (didn't even hit record on them) and all recording option? you said it could be filtered? |
| [23:38:39] | Anduin: | Matrix9: Live tv is always recorded, just filtered out by default. If you set your filter to all it should be showing everything. |
| [23:39:14] | Matrix9: | Anduin, mine seems to be the opposite at the moment, where is this filter option? |
| [23:39:45] | Matrix9: | i see the live tv recordings but not my scheduled recording which one of them should of finished recording |
| [23:40:04] | evil_andy: | Anduin: thanks for all your help earlier getting my bttv card working under mythtv. now I get to play with the PVR-150 :P I'll bbl possibly with questions |
| [23:41:46] | Anduin: | Matrix9: hit 'm' in that screen |
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| [23:43:48] | Matrix9: | Anduin, thanks, that worked :) |
| [23:48:17] | Matrix9: | Anduin, I can't press that f for brightness at the moment since it's still recording a show, but the show i had already recorded, i assume there is no way of brightening that one up? |
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| [23:50:03] | Anduin: | Matrix9: Assuming you have the Use Xv picture controls setting on, it shouldn't make a difference if it is recording or not. |
| [23:50:25] | Matrix9: | Anduin, well i tried pressing the f key and nothing happened |
| [23:51:15] | Matrix9: | I assumed it was only for live-tv |
| [23:51:54] | Anduin: | Matrix9: Check Setup | TV Settings | Playback second screen |
| [23:54:53] | Matrix9: | Anduin, yum, Xv picture controls was not enabled, i enabled it and now I can press F and brightened it up, thanks again :) |
| [23:54:57] | Matrix9: | yum=yup |
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