| Thursday, August 31st, 2006, 00:01 UTC | ||
| [00:01:00] | mchou: | xris: really?? SoC was more a less abust for myth? |
| [00:01:09] | mchou: | a bust* |
| [00:03:29] | jams: | pretty much |
| [00:03:44] | jams: | some will stick around ot finish the job, but nobody completed |
| [00:04:39] | mchou: | jams: so what does that mean, they dont get paid? |
| [00:04:55] | jams: | so do, some dont |
| [00:05:10] | mchou: | jams: I mean the "incomplete" ones |
| [00:05:11] | roz: | thats sad :( |
| [00:05:13] | jams: | all depends on what their mentor decided |
| [00:05:31] | roz: | if i were still in school, i DEFINITELY would have done that |
| [00:05:44] | mchou: | roz: no way |
| [00:05:47] | jams: | xris knows more of the details on the payment |
| [00:05:58] | roz: | why not? |
| [00:06:16] | nero: | I think the problem is that it isn't enough to just earn that for the summer, so people do the SOC and get a job, and just dont have time for the SOC stuff.. |
| [00:06:17] | mchou: | roz: I dont think most undergrads have enough experience for meaning code for myth in 3 months |
| [00:06:32] | mchou: | meaningful* |
| [00:06:41] | roz: | was that the problem? |
| [00:07:07] | nero: | I was going to apply.. (Grad student) but this summer was my SOD (summer of dissertation).. and I DEFINITELY wouldn't have had enough time to do anything.. |
| [00:07:08] | mchou: | roz: that's my conjecture |
| [00:07:27] | roz: | i suppose its true |
| [00:07:37] | roz: | i doubt i could right now... |
| [00:07:58] | roz: | but I have no idea where to learn that high of level of C++ skill |
| [00:07:59] | mchou: | that's the problem with SoC in general |
| [00:08:03] | roz: | we sure don't teach it |
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| [00:08:33] | mchou: | the tasks are not realistically matched to the skills of candidates |
| [00:08:33] | nero: | Anyone know how well the mythweb stuff came through?? thats what I was looking foward to.. |
| [00:09:06] | nero: | mchou, I think the point is that it will force you to learn beyond your means.. if this actually happens doesnt look too good.. |
| [00:09:34] | mchou: | nero: sure, I agree. but not at such high rate of "incompleteness" |
| [00:10:00] | nero: | I dunno.. the way I look at it is this.. if you put enough time towards it, you could at least make a contribution.. |
| [00:10:10] | mchou: | nero: it has to be a stretch but not that BIG a stretch |
| [00:10:13] | nero: | it might not be actual code, but a layout, outline, directions it should go.. |
| [00:10:25] | mchou: | nero: lol |
| [00:10:30] | nero: | from the sound of things, a lot of these SOC students take it on, and just dont put the necessary time into it.. |
| [00:10:46] | roz: | what is the pay? |
| [00:10:46] | mchou: | nero: that's the last thing myth needs. more clueless cooks in the kitchen |
| [00:11:02] | nero: | mchou, shrug.. its not like it cost Myth anything.. |
| [00:11:26] | mchou: | I think it's $9k? Dont quote me |
| [00:11:37] | nero: | I thought it was like $3k.. |
| [00:11:40] | lu: | its $4500 |
| [00:11:40] | roz: | 9000 for a summer? per student? thats a lot |
| [00:11:45] | lu: | and the mentors get 500 |
| [00:12:00] | mchou: | roz: it was some multiple of 3 :) |
| [00:12:06] | roz: | lol |
| [00:13:20] | mchou: | nero: you a phd or ms candidate? |
| [00:13:36] | nero: | mchou, PhD.. soon to not be a candidate hopefuly! :D |
| [00:13:47] | nero: | turning in the dissertation on Friday.. |
| [00:13:47] | mchou: | nero: heh. what field? |
| [00:14:00] | nero: | Civil Engineering (risk assessment of large structures) |
| [00:14:12] | mchou: | nero: where? |
| [00:14:25] | nero: | Princeton Univ. |
| [00:14:33] | mchou: | nero: you don one on the WTC? :) |
| [00:14:40] | mchou: | s/don/do |
| [00:14:46] | nero: | mchou, nope.. seismic risk assement.. |
| [00:14:59] | nero: | though the project I was originally working on was related to WTC work.. |
| [00:15:02] | Juski: | ah something sensible then :) |
| [00:15:11] | nero: | Juski, yup.. ;) |
| [00:15:29] | mchou: | nero: you gonna work in CA after you get your PhD? : |
| [00:15:37] | nero: | mchou, hell no! |
| [00:15:51] | mchou: | nero: why not, seismic activity here |
| [00:16:00] | nero: | Too expensive.. |
| [00:16:15] | nero: | besides, I am getting pretty sick of seismic stuff.. |
| [00:16:16] | jams: | lu- you plan on sticking around? |
| [00:16:21] | Juski: | too expensive for someone with a phd?! |
| [00:16:23] | nero: | moving on to work with wind risk.. |
| [00:16:32] | mchou: | nero: ahh.... |
| [00:16:41] | nero: | Juski, contrary to popular belief PhD's != $$$.. |
| [00:16:48] | mchou: | nero: wind shear and turbulence |
| [00:16:50] | lu: | jams: as a dev? yea, though starting an internship, so I won't have as much time |
| [00:17:00] | Juski: | blim. I'll stay uneducated then :-P |
| [00:17:02] | nero: | no, more in terms of widescale risk from storms.. hurricanes, etc.. |
| [00:17:16] | mchou: | nero: lol |
| [00:17:23] | mchou: | nero: FL and LA |
| [00:17:25] | jams: | lu good to hear |
| [00:17:36] | nero: | mchou, just because it happens there, doesnt mean I need to live there.. ;) |
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| [00:17:50] | nero: | in fact, when looking at the risk, you find out it is probably better NOT to live there.. ;) |
| [00:17:53] | roz: | does anyone know if you can disable what myth does to DPMS? it turns it on and off as you watch videos |
| [00:18:07] | mchou: | nero: lol |
| [00:18:23] | Juski: | roz: why would you want DPMS to stay enabled when you're watching stuff? |
| [00:18:29] | mchou: | nero: I personally think they shouldnt bother rebuilding NOLA |
| [00:18:37] | nero: | mchou, I would agree with you. |
| [00:18:47] | roz: | because on my desktop... when myth crashes.... DPMS stays disabled |
| [00:18:54] | mchou: | nero: too bad it's a major port |
| [00:19:00] | Juski: | roz: sort out why myth is crashing then |
| [00:19:18] | nero: | It would be very easy to leave a port town (the old city) and implement a light rail system, and move the majority of the residential/at risk population inland say 15–20 miles. |
| [00:19:30] | nero: | but, that would be too easy, too cheap, and "giving in" to mother nature.. |
| [00:19:32] | roz: | Juski: its abnormalities that cause it to crash..... like my frontend is gone from the network, et..al... |
| [00:19:38] | roz: | then when i come home from work... my 22" CRT is on |
| [00:19:56] | Juski: | gone from the network? using wireless eh? |
| [00:20:25] | nero: | oh, and more importantly, would take "planning".. something it seems our fedral government, the gov't of LA or NOLA has any ability to do. |
| [00:20:27] | roz: | no |
| [00:20:43] | roz: | but ya know S**t happens lol |
| [00:20:43] | nero: | has any == has no |
| [00:20:51] | mchou: | nero: yep, agree with you there |
| [00:21:57] | Juski: | roz: my myth system stays up & up & up for ages at a time – you need to iron out those wrinkles |
| [00:21:59] | mchou: | nero: especially since Bush, Brown of FEMA, Corps of Army engineers screwed up so badly in response |
| [00:22:10] | Juski: | .. and switch the monitor off when you leave the room for any length of time |
| [00:22:32] | Juski: | oh btw USA guys – glad to be your new #1 threat! :-| |
| [00:22:40] | nero: | The problem with FEMA is Bush neutered it when he decided that disaster response should be part responsibility of FEMA, most responsiblity of DHS.. |
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| [00:23:09] | nero: | FEMA of pre 9/11 would have handled Katrina MUCH better. |
| [00:23:16] | mchou: | nero: yup, Bush screwed up big time there |
| [00:23:36] | roz: | Juski, mine does too. just every now any then stuff happens... |
| [00:23:41] | roz: | like the hard drive fills up |
| [00:23:49] | mchou: | FEMA was a cabinent level post under Clinton |
| [00:23:56] | roz: | or it gets disconnected from the network |
| [00:24:06] | roz: | or or or or.... occasionally stuff happens |
| [00:24:08] | nero: | The system is now so messed up, it'll keep guys like me with work for a looong long time.. |
| [00:24:25] | mchou: | nero: not some crony appointment, like under Bush |
| [00:24:30] | roz: | but even if i walk away from my desktop, i'd like my desktop monitor to go to sleep, even if it is watching tv |
| [00:24:55] | Juski: | roz: youd do the environment more good to switch the monitor off yourself ;) |
| [00:25:25] | mchou: | CRT monitors suck lots of power |
| [00:25:27] | roz: | it goes to sleep in like 5 minutes |
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| [00:26:04] | Juski: | maybe there's a DPMS setting in mythfrontend somewhere on one of the 160+ menu screens |
| [00:26:08] | roz: | my power bill in the summer for a 1 BR apt is a cool 150$ |
| [00:26:16] | nero: | ouch! |
| [00:26:33] | mchou: | $150 is hardly cheap |
| [00:26:39] | roz: | no its not |
| [00:26:44] | roz: | its 50$ in the winter |
| [00:26:44] | nero: | for a 1BR it is.. |
| [00:26:49] | roz: | i really dont have to heat the place |
| [00:26:54] | jenn`: | I'm having trouble getting mythtv to work with alsa. I tried setting audio to ALSA:default and the mixer to default. Also, tvtime works just fine. |
| [00:27:11] | nero: | I have a 2br, and my electricity bill in the summer, including A/C is about $90. |
| [00:27:17] | Juski: | jees you guys need to get some Uk perspective. I'm paying like 60 GBP a month. In summer. with no A/C |
| [00:27:42] | Juski: | expensive? you dont know expensive man |
| [00:27:49] | mchou: | Juski: screw UK perspective. Turn off more appliances |
| [00:28:02] | Juski: | mchou: am doing that already |
| [00:28:19] | Juski: | that fucking useless athlon schlong box has got to go |
| [00:28:20] | nero: | Juski, stop using electricity or shadup then! ;) |
| [00:28:55] | Juski: | using old hardware for mythboxen != good idea |
| [00:29:32] | mchou: | man, I ditched athonXP at the earliest opportunity |
| [00:29:54] | mchou: | athlon64 with coolnQuiet is MUCH better |
| [00:30:02] | Juski: | course it is |
| [00:30:17] | Juski: | problem is having spare cash to invest, to save money longer term |
| [00:30:23] | jams: | Juski- believe it or not, there is no dpms setting |
| [00:30:33] | jams: | in the myth menus |
| [00:30:37] | Juski: | jams: really? not even on screen 165 ? |
| [00:30:40] | Juski: | sheesh |
| [00:30:43] | jams: | nope nope nope |
| [00:30:51] | mchou: | Juski: huh?? You save long term by rducing your energy consumption |
| [00:30:56] | Juski: | I look fwd to my patch |
| [00:30:57] | mchou: | reducing* |
| [00:31:16] | Juski: | mchou: yeh but I need to BUY new gear to reduce energy consumption |
| [00:31:26] | mchou: | A64 probably pays for itself in a few months compared to AXP |
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| [00:31:55] | Juski: | new cpu, new board, new ram, new vga card... pfft |
| [00:32:06] | mchou: | Juski: what new vga card?? |
| [00:32:13] | Juski: | pci-e |
| [00:32:15] | Juski: | ugh |
| [00:32:18] | mchou: | you dont even really need new ram |
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| [00:32:24] | Juski: | no? cool |
| [00:32:35] | mchou: | Juski: plenty of A64 mobos with AGP |
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| [00:34:13] | mchou: | Juski: in fact I'm using one right now |
| [00:34:18] | Juski: | hrm |
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| [00:34:52] | Juski: | I'll see how much longer I can get by with this one.. |
| [00:35:09] | mchou: | I got CPU+Mobo+Mem for $120 quite some time ago. prices have since dropped even lower |
| [00:35:35] | SlicerDicer-: | hello mchou |
| [00:35:39] | Juski: | see – your $120 == my 120+ GBP |
| [00:35:55] | mchou: | Juski: I doubt it |
| [00:36:14] | mchou: | Juski: it's not a 2x mark up across the pond |
| [00:36:21] | Juski: | you wanna bet? ;-) UK vs USA PC components is pound for dollar, seriously |
| [00:36:42] | SlicerDicer-: | wat are you trying to get Juski? |
| [00:36:52] | Juski: | SlicerDicer-: nothing yet |
| [00:36:55] | mchou: | Juski: I'd believe euro for dollar, not pounds for dollar |
| [00:37:17] | Juski: | mchou: in all seriousness we're getting our wallets royally raped over here |
| [00:37:34] | SlicerDicer-: | Juski: cant you get a friend in the USA to buy it open it "apply dust" mark it used and send it to you duty free? ;-) |
| [00:37:46] | mchou: | hey SlicerDicer- |
| [00:37:55] | jams: | shipping will kill you on that one |
| [00:38:01] | mchou: | SlicerDicer-: you see my duct tape comment? |
| [00:38:05] | SlicerDicer-: | no heh |
| [00:38:39] | mchou: | SlicerDicer-: in response to your motorola boxen you put up last night |
| [00:38:46] | SlicerDicer-: | hehe |
| [00:38:49] | SlicerDicer-: | what did you say? |
| [00:39:12] | mchou: | SlicerDicer-: I just asked why you used duct tape |
| [00:39:19] | SlicerDicer-: | cover the IR sensors |
| [00:39:25] | mchou: | lol |
| [00:39:40] | SlicerDicer-: | if it gets sticky |
| [00:39:41] | SlicerDicer-: | fuckem |
| [00:39:46] | SlicerDicer-: | comcast needs sticky boxes |
| [00:40:07] | mchou: | SlicerDicer-: and why you have 2 wireless routers right on top of each other...... |
| [00:40:32] | mchou: | SlicerDicer-: it's from all the PPV Pr)n you're watching :) |
| [00:41:16] | SlicerDicer-: | mchou: they are not activated haha |
| [00:41:46] | SlicerDicer-: | I was flashing them with "Must DIE" so I could bump up the power |
| [00:41:52] | SlicerDicer-: | and they are not routers they are just access points |
| [00:42:10] | Juski: | bah to hell with changing the mythbackend for now. I can't wade through all the tech gobbledygook. |
| [00:42:51] | SlicerDicer-: | mchou: I can pump it from 22mw to 84mw with that mustdie hack :) |
| [00:43:26] | mchou: | SlicerDicer-: yeah, but have 2 on top of one another kinda pointless if you want increased range |
| [00:43:37] | SlicerDicer-: | one is going to go upstairs and be a relay :) |
| [00:43:47] | SlicerDicer-: | so I can have both floors spammed |
| [00:43:57] | SlicerDicer-: | I just was flashing them there for ease of use 1 plug 1 ethernet |
| [00:44:01] | SlicerDicer-: | I just havent moved them yet |
| [00:44:58] | SlicerDicer-: | they are not even plugged in though |
| [00:45:21] | SlicerDicer-: | also it looks uber with AP ears to visitors who dont know dick about computers :) |
| [00:46:51] | jams: | heh |
| [00:47:35] | Juski: | hmm 80GBP to change to A64 and Nforce3 motherboard |
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| [00:48:03] | mchou: | speaking of ppl who dont know jack about computers, I'd like to help a low income senior citizen advertise his business on the web.... |
| [00:49:18] | mchou: | what's the cost of entry these days for simple web hosting? |
| [00:49:44] | SlicerDicer-: | mchou: dunno |
| [00:49:48] | mchou: | the guy builds bike frames.... |
| [00:49:54] | SlicerDicer-: | xris: may know |
| [00:49:55] | SlicerDicer-: | I am not sure |
| [00:49:57] | Juski: | hell... not many cheaper board have the elusive cool & quiet.. beh |
| [00:50:07] | Juski: | s/board/boards |
| [00:50:08] | mchou: | Juski: huh?? |
| [00:50:43] | Juski: | the boards in my price range.. no mention of anything to do with power-saving features |
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| [00:51:02] | mchou: | Juski: look at the manuals for BIOS settings |
| [00:51:20] | mchou: | that's the only real way to tell |
| [00:51:24] | Juski: | ffs. can they not just say on their fucking websites? |
| [00:51:55] | mchou: | Juski: cause the mobo ppl in mktg are stupid? |
| [00:52:15] | Juski: | bingo! yay the cheapo one with 4 pci slots DOES do cool&quiet |
| [00:53:37] | Juski: | seems to me nforce3 is fairly linux friendly too. nifty |
| [00:53:46] | Juski: | </whine> |
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| [00:55:32] | Anduin: | mchou: cheap, Yahoo small business is $25 setup, 11.95/mo for basic (for example) |
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| [00:56:39] | mchou: | Anduin: dude, I dont think this guy can afford $12/mo for this luxury |
| [00:57:06] | mchou: | Anduin: this guy is a senior citizen w/ limited income |
| [00:57:08] | Juski: | I just got a freebie with a minor amount of google ads at the top for free at 501megs.com |
| [00:57:17] | Anduin: | mchou: Just an example, though they don't get a whole lot cheaper (that I've seen) |
| [00:57:35] | Juski: | no mysql or php though |
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| [00:58:12] | Aid`: | how fast of a computer do you need to play a HD recording? |
| [00:58:18] | mchou: | this guy doesnt need mysql or php |
| [00:58:33] | SlicerDicer-: | Aid`: where are you located on the global scale? |
| [00:58:38] | PuShPoP: | aid, nothing crazy just need a nvidia video card haha |
| [00:58:56] | Aid`: | hmm i probably shouldn't be using the nv driver if i have a nvidia card? |
| [00:59:00] | SlicerDicer-: | nope |
| [00:59:02] | Juski: | mchou: plenty of free hosts out there just doing html hosting :) |
| [00:59:03] | jenn`: | I'm having trouble getting mythtv to work with alsa. I tried setting audio to ALSA:default and the mixer to default. Also, tvtime works just fine. |
| [00:59:09] | SlicerDicer-: | use XVMC with nvidia card Aid` :) it rocks |
| [00:59:19] | mchou: | Juski: yeah, that what this guy needs |
| [00:59:26] | PuShPoP: | ATI = shit for HDTV =P |
| [00:59:39] | Aid`: | okay |
| [00:59:57] | Aid`: | because i've recorded some HD feeds and when i play them they just kill my cpu.. should that be happening? |
| [01:00:03] | PuShPoP: | Question, on your recordings do you guys have wierd line at the top of the screen? |
| [01:00:19] | mchou: | PuShPoP: RTFM |
| [01:00:21] | Aid`: | like fuzz? |
| [01:00:25] | Juski: | mchou: you normally have to make concessions to banner ads & whatnot – the intrusiveness varies from place to place so shop around. it's a bewildering choice though. I just clicked on a random link when I chose 501megs |
| [01:01:01] | PuShPoP: | mchow, sorry man geez |
| [01:01:05] | Juski: | I got ftp uploading though, which is pretty unusual for free hosts |
| [01:01:43] | Aid`: | RTFM??? |
| [01:01:56] | PuShPoP: | read the fucking manual |
| [01:01:57] | PuShPoP: | = / |
| [01:02:09] | Aid`: | oh :) |
| [01:02:17] | Juski: | or RTFW |
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| [01:02:40] | SlicerDicer-: | BOHICA is the best one |
| [01:02:52] | Aid`: | ? |
| [01:02:57] | SlicerDicer-: | usually happens when a harddrive dies |
| [01:03:12] | SlicerDicer-: | Bend Over Here It Comes Again = BOHICA |
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| [01:03:19] | ** SlicerDicer- laughs ** | |
| [01:03:24] | PuShPoP: | haha |
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| [01:03:41] | cooolie: | hey, I just got my cable box to work with myth over firewire but I had a few questions. First I just recorded a show and Its not showing up under the watch recordings menu in myth. Second, is it possible to watch what is currently being recorded in myth? |
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| [01:04:21] | Anduin: | cooolie: hit m in watch recordings |
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| [01:05:18] | SlicerDicer-: | cooolie: yep more than likely its not on the right setting so its not showing up :) |
| [01:05:55] | ** Juski looks forward to a patch to make the default group view 'all' ** | |
| [01:06:39] | cooolie: | well i just hit m and used the menu to change it to show titles categories and recording groups and its still not listing my recording |
| [01:07:48] | cooolie: | my guide shows that it recorded secssesfully but its not listed |
| [01:08:01] | Anduin: | cooolie: If playing with the filter doesn't show it then I'd suspect it isn't actually there. |
| [01:08:11] | SlicerDicer-: | indeed |
| [01:08:16] | SlicerDicer-: | cooolie: firewire can be a pain |
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| [01:08:35] | SlicerDicer-: | use test-mpeg2 to test your firewire |
| [01:08:35] | Anduin: | cooolie: And just change the filter to show you everything, so you can be sure it isn't there. |
| [01:08:51] | cooolie: | the firewire works well with test-mpeg2 |
| [01:09:02] | cooolie: | its been a little werid in myth though |
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| [01:09:40] | cooolie: | its it possible to watch what myth is currently recording or can you only watch recorded stuff while its recording? |
| [01:09:56] | Anduin: | cooolie: You can watch it as it records, yes. |
| [01:10:14] | cooolie: | how do you do that? |
| [01:11:11] | Anduin: | cooolie: When things work, you just click on it and watch. |
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| [01:11:36] | Anduin: | cooolie: I'd check your backend logs. |
| [01:11:51] | cooolie: | you can click on it under the watch recordings menu? |
| [01:12:00] | Anduin: | cooolie: Of course. |
| [01:12:12] | Juski: | dammit my domain redirect is down again |
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| [01:13:53] | cooolie: | its so weird. I just made a recording and it changed the channel on my cable box but i dont think its recording because its not under watch recordings |
| [01:15:55] | cooolie: | the mythbackend looks like its tring to record on channel 1162 |
| [01:16:12] | Juski: | cooolie: if you can see it in 'watch tv' in mythfrontend, then the permissions & everything else are ok, so there should be no reason not to be able to find your recordings |
| [01:16:16] | cooolie: | them it says warning established connection on channel 0 |
| [01:16:57] | cooolie: | well watch tv is the only thing that works |
| [01:17:02] | cooolie: | i cant record at all |
| [01:18:00] | Juski: | live tv IS recording |
| [01:19:09] | cooolie: | well right now my box says that its recording scrubs so it takes away my watch tv option and yet its not showing up under watch recordings so it wont let me watch anything |
| [01:19:23] | Anduin: | cooolie: Are you live-tving the same channel you are trying to record? |
| [01:19:41] | cooolie: | it wont let me |
| [01:19:51] | cooolie: | i cant only live tv when i cancel the recording |
| [01:20:03] | mchou: | sigh |
| [01:20:11] | mchou: | so many clueless idiots |
| [01:20:29] | Anduin: | cooolie: Travel back in time to when you were testing this |
| [01:20:30] | Aid`: | do USA DVB signals usually carry EIT signals? |
| [01:20:56] | mchou: | USA does not have DVB as such |
| [01:21:06] | Aid`: | dagnabit |
| [01:21:10] | mchou: | but it does have atsc |
| [01:21:29] | Aid`: | i am meaning DVB satellite.. EIT in those signals |
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| [01:27:23] | kambei: | Question. What is a good GUI and/or interface to use for a system set up with a TV-out? |
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| [01:28:49] | Juski: | kambei: mythtv |
| [01:30:10] | kambei: | Juski: For a normal system GUI? Something to perform normal day-to-day computer tasks? |
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| [01:30:49] | Juski: | kambei: ah. no. |
| [01:31:09] | Zider: | fluxbox.. :P |
| [01:31:09] | kambei: | Sorry, maybe I wasn't specific. |
| [01:31:11] | Juski: | I wouldn't recommend you use a TV for everyday computing. it sucks |
| [01:31:26] | kambei: | Yes, and I understand that. |
| [01:31:31] | Juski: | not unless it's a 1080 HD TV |
| [01:32:05] | kambei: | I'm justing wondering what a MythTV user might use for stuff OTHER than MythTV. Playing music and other such multimedia functions, perhaps. |
| [01:32:34] | Juski: | XMMS at a push |
| [01:32:57] | Juski: | mythmusic for music playback, despite how much it sucks IMHO |
| [01:33:20] | Juski: | there are others emerging now, like Elisa (google it) |
| [01:33:24] | jams: | i do use xmms for cd playback |
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| [01:34:00] | Juski: | Elisa looks like it could give mythtv a good run for its money in terms of its GUI |
| [01:34:25] | kambei: | What terms should I search for Elisa? |
| [01:34:44] | Juski: | but as I said at a recent linux show I took mythtv to, work is going on to improve mythtv a lot ;) |
| [01:34:48] | kambei: | I think I got it. |
| [01:35:04] | Juski: | http://www.fluendo.com/elisa/ |
| [01:35:10] | kambei: | Got it. :) Thanks. |
| [01:35:53] | jenn`: | I'm having trouble getting mythtv to work with alsa. I tried setting audio to ALSA:default and the mixer to default. Also, tvtime works just fine. |
| [01:36:08] | Juski: | time for bed! g'night |
| [01:36:37] | kambei: | Juski: Thanks for the help. |
| [01:36:41] | adante: | heh |
| [01:37:01] | adante: | about the only thing i want for my htpc at the moment is a way to sanely browse and organise my external video files |
| [01:37:20] | kambei: | adante: That was something I was looking to do, as well. |
| [01:38:25] | adante: | after 6 months of searching/waiting I still haven't found one, which I have to admit i find rather baffling |
| [01:42:18] | kambei: | What, if anything, would you use to play a DVD? |
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| [01:43:46] | adante: | i used mythdvd... last year or so |
| [01:44:04] | adante: | but tbh i own maybe 3 dvds in total so it's a nonissue for me |
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| [01:53:20] | sphery: | jenn`: What errors are you getting? |
| [01:53:55] | Zider: | I own maybe 300 dvds ;D |
| [01:54:24] | Zider: | kambei: I use xine for that |
| [01:54:42] | kambei: | Zider: So, how do you interface/load xine? |
| [01:54:57] | Zider: | kambei: you mean the commandline? |
| [01:55:21] | kambei: | Let's say you want to watch a DVD. What do you do? |
| [01:55:32] | kambei: | Do you run it from a terminal? |
| [01:55:33] | Zider: | I select "Play DVD" |
| [01:55:45] | Zider: | and it launches xine |
| [01:55:46] | kambei: | From MythTV? |
| [01:55:49] | Zider: | yes |
| [01:55:55] | kambei: | I guess I should preface by saying that I have not yet used MythTV. |
| [01:56:03] | Zider: | obviously ;) |
| [01:56:16] | kambei: | You'll have to look past my lack of knowledge. |
| [01:57:39] | adante: | in that case you should know that mythtv does have a file browser – it's just mildly retarded (imho) |
| [01:58:02] | Zider: | adante: you mean mythvideo..? |
| [01:58:25] | kambei: | What do you guys use for distributions? Do you use something specialized? |
| [01:58:27] | adante: | part of mythvideo, yes |
| [01:58:49] | adante: | i use gentoo, but the distro flavour appears to be quite varied |
| [01:58:52] | Zider: | kambei: I run gentoo |
| [01:59:01] | Zider: | mostly because I know my way around it |
| [01:59:04] | kambei: | I'm emerging mythtv as we speak. |
| [01:59:08] | ** jams doesn't use gentoo ** | |
| [01:59:29] | adante: | let us collectively point at and generally ridicule jams |
| [01:59:46] | ** kambei gives jams a wedgie. ** | |
| [01:59:53] | adante: | kambei: might have more luck playing with the svn builds |
| [02:00:06] | kambei: | You think so? |
| [02:00:33] | adante: | well, i havent used gentoo ebuilds for a while but last time i did (feb?) they were a bit of a mess |
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| [02:03:57] | jenn`: | sphery, only error-like msg i'm getting is buffer underrun |
| [02:04:03] | kambei: | Zider: Do the ebuilds include the plugins? I don't see any plugins ebuild. |
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| [02:05:48] | jenn`: | sphery, the video is choppy when I use ALSA:default, and I get that buffer underrun msg. if i dont use ALSA:default though, the video is fine and there's no errors. either way, no sound |
| [02:06:34] | adante: | kambei: should be mythvideo, mythdvd, mythwhatever.. |
| [02:06:48] | Zider: | kambei: they're separate |
| [02:06:50] | adante: | jenn`: tried aggressive audio buffering/use video as timebase option? |
| [02:06:59] | jenn`: | is that an option somewhere? |
| [02:07:07] | kambei: | Zider: Ah, masked |
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| [02:07:25] | adante: | jenn`: somewhere yeah.. cannot remember where exactly but most likelye somewhere in playback |
| [02:07:28] | Zider: | I use the cvs now tho |
| [02:07:46] | Zider: | svn even |
| [02:08:10] | jenn`: | adante, found it and am trying it...now vid is flipping out |
| [02:08:32] | kambei: | Zider: Do you do it through portage? |
| [02:08:39] | jenn`: | adante, nm that. my bad. |
| [02:09:02] | adante: | jenn`: if that doesn't help i'm out of ideas, sorry |
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| [02:09:21] | adante: | except perhaps to see if you can figure out why oss don't work and go with that |
| [02:09:47] | jenn`: | adante, ok tried that (correctly this time) and it made no diff |
| [02:10:03] | adante: | kambei: there are svn ebuilds floating around a while back, they were a little controversial and i'm not sure if they are to be trusted |
| [02:10:10] | Zider: | kambei: no separately |
| [02:10:32] | adante: | if you go svn your best bet is to check it out manually and build it |
| [02:10:42] | kambei: | Thanks for your help, guys. |
| [02:10:48] | kambei: | Very much appreciated. |
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| [02:12:15] | moto125: | Can anyone help me out? The main problem is all my video and audio is choppy Live TV, Recordings, and DVDs. I'm using the latest version of knoppmyth on a 2.93ghz celeron with a pvr250 and radeon 9550 |
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| [02:13:14] | moto125: | would that be a video card problem? |
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| [02:17:54] | adante: | moto125: any idea if you are using xv overlay? |
| [02:18:11] | moto125: | no idea, how can i see |
| [02:21:01] | adante: | moto125: i can't recall.. again, i think it's somewhere in playback settings |
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| [02:24:01] | magneticubuntu: | hello |
| [02:24:29] | magneticubuntu: | Can someone help me with IVTV please? |
| [02:24:35] | magneticubuntu: | i'm getting DMESG errors |
| [02:25:06] | moto125: | no i'm not using xv overlay, should i be? |
| [02:26:11] | magneticubuntu: | I get this error: |
| [02:26:15] | adante: | moto125: you should, yes |
| [02:26:17] | magneticubuntu: | 58.260355] ivtv0 warning: Encoder mailbox not found |
| [02:26:17] | magneticubuntu: | [ 58.291563] ivtv0 warning: Decoder mailbox not found |
| [02:26:17] | magneticubuntu: | [ 58.291570] ivtv0: Error locating firmware. |
| [02:26:17] | magneticubuntu: | [ 58.297116] ivtv0: Error -12 on initialization |
| [02:26:17] | magneticubuntu: | [ 58.297135] ivtv: probe of 0000:00:06.0 failed with error -12 |
| [02:26:17] | magneticubuntu: | [ 58.297172] ivtv: ==================== END INIT IVTV ==================== |
| [02:26:28] | adante: | moto125: enabling it should give you a speedup (if it works) |
| [02:26:30] | magneticubuntu: | anyone know what the problem is? |
| [02:27:14] | Anduin: | magneticubuntu: It is called a paste site |
| [02:27:34] | magneticubuntu: | sorry its only a few lines |
| [02:28:01] | Anduin: | magneticubuntu: fix the bit about the firmware, this is probably the most common ivtv problem, with help on ivtvdriver.org and all over google |
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| [02:28:22] | magneticubuntu: | Anduin: well using ubuntu its not as easy to solve – also i'm on PPC ... |
| [02:28:36] | moto125: | adante now i'm getting an invalid file error, i think it's unrelated to the xv overlay. it points to where the tv mpg should be and the consold says invalid file |
| [02:28:38] | magneticubuntu: | i reads the firware before it what is the mailbox part? |
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| [02:28:53] | moto125: | console* |
| [02:29:30] | Anduin: | magneticubuntu: mailbox is how you send commands to the driver, not something you need to worry about just using it. Not sure about PPC support and how good it is. |
| [02:29:33] | adante: | moto125: try livetv perhaps |
| [02:29:47] | moto125: | thats where the error is |
| [02:29:51] | magneticubuntu: | anduin: i know it works on ppc – so mailbox errors are ok then? |
| [02:29:58] | magneticubuntu: | Anduin, thanks for your help btw |
| [02:30:02] | adante: | i see, thats interesting |
| [02:30:12] | moto125: | but i tried a recording and it works |
| [02:30:14] | moto125: | thanks |
| [02:30:40] | adante: | so it's smooth? |
| [02:31:16] | moto125: | wait... not anymore... it's now smooth but looses the audio sync |
| [02:31:17] | Anduin: | magneticubuntu: I'd have to look at the ivtv code and the order, but yeah, without firmware nothing good |
| [02:31:38] | moto125: | loses* |
| [02:31:54] | adante: | moto125: try 'use video as timebase' – should be in playback settings |
| [02:32:41] | magneticubuntu: | Anduin: wel i get this right before that: |
| [02:32:43] | magneticubuntu: | 56.004485] ivtv0: loaded v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw firmware (262144 bytes) |
| [02:32:43] | magneticubuntu: | [ 58.033779] ivtv0: loaded v4l-cx2341x-dec.fw firmware (262144 bytes) |
| [02:33:47] | moto125: | adante: i think it's a problem with the original recording, because the video as timebase didn't work |
| [02:34:11] | moto125: | i need to get live tv working again to test |
| [02:34:27] | adante: | moto125: analog or digital recording? |
| [02:35:14] | moto125: | digital i think, directv svideo to svid on the hauppauge 250 |
| [02:35:39] | moto125: | i'll try a dvd |
| [02:36:01] | adante: | that'd be analog afaik (but i don't know much) |
| [02:36:09] | Anduin: | magneticubuntu: Ok, so it is just the "not a 350, you can ignore the decoder firmware error", failing to find the mailbox is bad though. |
| [02:36:43] | magneticubuntu: | anduin: its a PVR 350 |
| [02:36:49] | magneticubuntu: | what is the mailbox? |
| [02:37:15] | moto125: | the dvd is choppy video but good audio |
| [02:37:42] | moto125: | xine gave me a dropped frame error |
| [02:39:53] | Anduin: | magneticubuntu: It is just a chunk of memory the driver uses to talk to the firmware. |
| [02:40:02] | magneticubuntu: | ah i see |
| [02:40:09] | magneticubuntu: | i dont have a swap could that be it? |
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| [02:40:35] | Anduin: | magneticubuntu: The firmware load error is it failing to find the decoder firmware (if you downloaded the ivtvdriver.org file that are all in there) |
| [02:41:07] | adante: | moto125: seeing as it's xine, you might have to enable xv within xine |
| [02:41:27] | adante: | moto125: but it might be already enabled, who knows |
| [02:41:30] | magneticubuntu: | Anduin, i installed both firmware drivers |
| [02:41:32] | moto125: | yea, i was looking for a setting |
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| [02:42:13] | nomin: | The ongoing MythTV saga continues http://www.linuxjournal.com/node/1000084 |
| [02:42:28] | Anduin: | magneticubuntu: right you are, I kept reading locating as loading |
| [02:43:09] | adante: | moto125: check cpu utilisation as well while you're playing |
| [02:43:15] | magneticubuntu: | anduin: do i have to reboot to have firware take effect? |
| [02:43:31] | magneticubuntu: | Anduin, so what could be the prob you think? |
| [02:43:35] | adante: | moto125: a 3ghz celeron should be grunty enough to play video, provided you have xv and dma running |
| [02:43:38] | Anduin: | magneticubuntu: No, but you may want to unload/reload the ivtv driver |
| [02:43:53] | magneticubuntu: | how to plz? |
| [02:43:58] | magneticubuntu: | what shell commands? |
| [02:44:02] | moto125: | adante: how can I check? |
| [02:44:10] | Anduin: | magneticubuntu: rmmod ivtv; modprobe ivtv |
| [02:45:13] | adante: | moto125: google around for a program for hdparm, or 'enabling dma linux' or the like |
| [02:45:25] | adante: | moto125: i'm off to lunch now sorry |
| [02:45:34] | adante: | nomin: good article |
| [02:46:08] | adante: | not sure why he is so specific to myth though... his position statement could be applied to linux in general! :] |
| [02:46:15] | nomin: | maximum pc also did a review of mythtv in this month's issue |
| [02:46:23] | nomin: | they said it's for linux experts only |
| [02:46:36] | magneticubuntu: | how to tell if my pvr 350 is mounted as /dev/video0? |
| [02:46:46] | magneticubuntu: | nomin: for sure |
| [02:47:20] | Anduin: | magneticubuntu: Did everything load fine? |
| [02:47:28] | magneticubuntu: | no same error |
| [02:47:46] | nomin: | I don't have the sound configured yet on it in mandriva, but I was glad just to be able to watch tv with it. |
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| [02:50:26] | magneticubuntu: | Anduin, when I try to launch mythtv it says database not found, even though i have Mysql clearly working - |
| [02:50:34] | magneticubuntu: | i'm using my ip address of this box for the host field |
| [02:51:04] | moto125: | Since adante is leaving. Is there anyone else that can help me out? I'm getting a Invalid file error when trying to run Live TV. it gives me the file path of the live tv .mpg and says invalid file |
| [02:53:33] | Anduin: | magneticubuntu: don't suppose you'd want to put an lspci -v on a paste site would you? |
| [02:53:42] | magneticubuntu: | sure what paste site? |
| [02:53:59] | Anduin: | magneticubuntu: Your favorite (or lacking that, the one in the topic) |
| [02:54:05] | magneticubuntu: | what areyou looking for there? |
| [02:54:20] | Anduin: | moto125: Check you backend logs. |
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| [02:54:56] | Anduin: | magneticubuntu: secrets, mostly the flags and memory for the card |
| [02:55:25] | magneticubuntu: | Anduin, http://pastebin.ca/155499 |
| [02:55:27] | magneticubuntu: | thanks |
| [02:55:45] | moto125: | Anduin: how can i check them |
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| [02:57:06] | Anduin: | moto125: You can look at them, the part around where you try live tv, and see if there are errors. |
| [02:57:58] | moto125: | i know i can, but i don't know how to get to the logs |
| [02:58:18] | Anduin: | magneticubuntu: Hmm, I was hoping for something obvious. There an unresolved thread in ivtv-devel with the same issue (and another post that says changing the PCI slot fixed it for them) |
| [02:58:35] | magneticubuntu: | hmm i can try that |
| [02:58:38] | magneticubuntu: | changing slots |
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| [02:58:49] | Anduin: | moto125: Where they are depends one what you are running, /var/log/something usually |
| [02:58:55] | magneticubuntu: | Anduin, are you a dev for ivtv? |
| [02:59:05] | Anduin: | magneticubuntu: Nope. |
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| [02:59:43] | magneticubuntu: | Anduin, i'm running mythv for first time and it wont connect to the mysql server |
| [02:59:59] | Anduin: | magneticubuntu: mythtv-setup? |
| [03:00:01] | magneticubuntu: | i'm using this box as the mysql server and using its ip address and it doesnt find it.. |
| [03:00:02] | magneticubuntu: | yeah |
| [03:00:40] | Anduin: | magneticubuntu: I don't know if unbuntu does it, but debian likes to disable network connect by default |
| [03:01:00] | magneticubuntu: | Anduin: http://pastebin.ca/155503 |
| [03:01:01] | Anduin: | (meaning only the 127.0.0.1 address would work without you doing something) |
| [03:01:03] | magneticubuntu: | plz see |
| [03:01:10] | magneticubuntu: | ah i see |
| [03:03:00] | pushpop`: | Can someone link me to a good receiver/remote control setup... |
| [03:03:15] | magneticubuntu: | Anduin, ok great that worked |
| [03:03:25] | magneticubuntu: | but how do i know if my card shows up? |
| [03:03:45] | magneticubuntu: | what device is it? |
| [03:03:54] | Anduin: | magneticubuntu: Until that error -12 goes away, it isn't |
| [03:04:06] | magneticubuntu: | :((( |
| [03:04:14] | magneticubuntu: | its supposed to be /dev/video0 right |
| [03:04:22] | magneticubuntu: | what is the error -12? |
| [03:06:03] | Anduin: | magneticubuntu: It is -ENOMEM, it just means it tried to scan the card memory space for mailboxes and failed. |
| [03:06:22] | magneticubuntu: | Anduin, ah you mean the card itself is having problem? |
| [03:07:16] | Anduin: | magneticubuntu: Not necessarily the card, I'd try it in a known working scenario first. Like I said, you aren't the first to hit that error. |
| [03:07:36] | magneticubuntu: | hmm maybe i'll switch slots as you suggested |
| [03:07:47] | magneticubuntu: | do you have a forum url i can see to this error? |
| [03:08:28] | Anduin: | magneticubuntu: I closed it, it was one of the first hits on Google for the error |
| [03:08:38] | magneticubuntu: | error -12? |
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| [03:09:10] | sigger_2_: | PuShPoP what are you looking for? cheap? purty? buttons? |
| [03:10:04] | pushpop`: | purty |
| [03:10:06] | magneticubuntu: | hmm Its A DMA problem?? |
| [03:10:07] | pushpop`: | =) |
| [03:10:28] | sigger_2_: | I have a Harmony 680 remote that I like quite a bit. |
| [03:10:40] | pushpop`: | does it come with everything you need? |
| [03:10:49] | Loto: | installing mythtv onto debian 'etch' release. Packages installed correctly but apon trying to run mythtv-setup as the 'mythtv' user it says connect connect to X server.... BUT! im running it from a konsole in kde |
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| [03:11:01] | Loto: | why can mythtv not connect to my x.org server? |
| [03:11:14] | sigger_2_: | I went for it cause it has many buttons that are on my PVR remote and I use it to control myth/pvr/AVR/dvd |
| [03:11:22] | moto125: | ii looked in the mythbackend log, couldn't find an error, the only error is the ivalid file error on the frontend |
| [03:11:37] | pushpop`: | any remotes that are cheaper |
| [03:11:39] | Anduin: | magneticubuntu: Shouldn't be hitting DMA yet. |
| [03:11:40] | sigger_2_: | it does not have an IR recvr. I bought a Packard Bell receiver and remote package real cheap on the web |
| [03:11:42] | pushpop`: | aroudn 50 dollar range? |
| [03:12:03] | sigger_2_: | PB is not nearly as purty, but it is real cheap and works well with lirc |
| [03:12:12] | sigger_2_: | 680 was $100+ I'm sure |
| [03:12:14] | magneticubuntu: | hmm i see ppl have this mailbox encoder problem alot.. |
| [03:12:30] | sigger_2_: | PB remote and recvr was $15 TO $25 all in. |
| [03:12:49] | magneticubuntu: | Anduin: "and there are some indications that it may be a |
| [03:12:50] | magneticubuntu: | gcc-4.1 code generation issue |
| [03:13:07] | sigger_2_: | pushpop: you know much about CPUs? |
| [03:13:21] | pushpop`: | yea, I'm new to linux |
| [03:13:27] | pushpop`: | just dont know much about media center setups |
| [03:13:39] | pushpop`: | as far as remotes / recvr |
| [03:13:52] | sigger_2_: | I'm working on picking out a CPU right now and not sure how much firepower to buy |
| [03:14:09] | pushpop`: | well at work I have been really impressed with the p4 core duo's |
| [03:14:11] | Ribs: | Loto, Are you running mythtv as the same user of the your KDE session? |
| [03:14:20] | pushpop`: | blows away my amd x2 4800 |
| [03:14:23] | Anduin: | magneticubuntu: Yeah, I read the -devel list (here and there), but I don't believe it. Something to try I guess. |
| [03:14:44] | Loto: | Ribs : no |
| [03:14:45] | pushpop`: | so I recommend core duo's |
| [03:14:47] | sigger_2_: | for a new myth frontend that will prolly only ever use mythtvideo with mplayer or xine |
| [03:14:49] | Ribs: | Loto, That's why then |
| [03:14:53] | Loto: | thanks :) |
| [03:14:58] | Ribs: | no problem |
| [03:15:02] | pushpop`: | thats overkill |
| [03:15:12] | Loto: | is it actually a problem to run mythtv-setup as not 'mythtv' user? |
| [03:15:26] | pushpop`: | sigger_2_: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Searc . . . M-945GPM-840 |
| [03:15:28] | Anduin: | Loto: Only if you want things to work. |
| [03:15:29] | Loto: | (package installer mentioned it) |
| [03:15:29] | Ribs: | Loto, I wouldn't recommend it |
| [03:15:33] | Loto: | lol fair enough |
| [03:15:35] | Loto: | thanks again |
| [03:15:39] | sigger_2_: | eh, the intel mobos and cpu's are a good bit more $ and conroe is way too much power |
| [03:15:55] | Loto: | intel cpus are cheaper atm |
| [03:16:01] | Loto: | mobos not so much |
| [03:16:06] | pushpop`: | when you said the PB remote before |
| [03:16:09] | pushpop`: | what did you mean by that |
| [03:16:10] | pushpop`: | PB? |
| [03:16:18] | sigger_2_: | Packard Bell |
| [03:16:43] | pushpop`: | i'm placing an order with new egg |
| [03:16:46] | pushpop`: | they dont seem to carry that |
| [03:16:56] | pushpop`: | maybe a remote from a popular brand |
| [03:17:02] | pushpop`: | that is known to work well? |
| [03:17:25] | sigger_2_: | they don't carry what? PB? no, its discontinued. there's a co called tekgems that sells em |
| [03:17:36] | pushpop`: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16880100713 |
| [03:17:40] | pushpop`: | will that work? |
| [03:17:48] | moto125: | quick linux newbie question – how can i make a script to run "ifconfig eth0 up" and "export xsession" on startup |
| [03:18:15] | pushpop`: | get off aol and we will tell you |
| [03:18:18] | pushpop`: | jk |
| [03:18:21] | pushpop`: | im a newb too |
| [03:18:37] | sigger_2_: | PuShPoP: actually it really comes down to what buttons do you need/want |
| [03:19:08] | pushpop`: | well I want it to work all my componets |
| [03:19:19] | pushpop`: | I'd buy that logitech if I know it will work with mythtv |
| [03:19:27] | sigger_2_: | it takes more thought than ya might think |
| [03:19:50] | sigger_2_: | the logi will work with myth. I'm using mine right now. It's all about the buttons |
| [03:20:06] | pushpop`: | well, I like the setup of the one I posted. |
| [03:20:13] | pushpop`: | what should I get as far as a receiver for it |
| [03:20:13] | sigger_2_: | (and http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131570 is the mobo I'm staring at right now) |
| [03:20:26] | sigger_2_: | get a PB and chuck the remote. |
| [03:20:39] | pushpop`: | got a link |
| [03:20:39] | pushpop`: | ? |
| [03:20:41] | Loto: | Ribs : kdm wouldnt let me login as mythtv user so i changed its ID to the 1xxx range and it now allows me to attempt to login but fails (i assume because mythtv user has no password). How should I start a kde session as the mythtv user? |
| [03:20:55] | magneticubuntu: | Anduin: Thanks for Your help.. bbl |
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| [03:21:04] | sigger_2_: | would you pay $5 for the IR receiver? |
| [03:21:09] | pushpop`: | lol ya |
| [03:21:28] | sigger_2_: | well here's the IR and remote for $5 http://tekgems.com/Products/tg-pbr.htm |
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| [03:21:49] | pushpop`: | holy budet |
| [03:21:50] | pushpop`: | lol |
| [03:21:57] | pushpop`: | will that receiver work with the logitech? |
| [03:22:03] | ** Loto huggles jp1 remotes ** | |
| [03:22:26] | sigger_2_: | it works for me. notice its a db9 not a USB |
| [03:22:43] | pushpop`: | Ya I see that |
| [03:22:51] | pushpop`: | jp1 whats that loto |
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| [03:23:24] | Loto: | jp1 is a standard developed by UEI who make many many remotes. they are rebranded as many kinds |
| [03:23:40] | Loto: | they have a 6 pin connector that allows homebrewers to reprogram them |
| [03:23:43] | pushpop`: | can you link me to the remote/receiver you use |
| [03:23:55] | Loto: | even upload new programs to allow for long keypress, double press and many other neat functions |
| [03:24:08] | pushpop`: | I really would Like to use the logitech http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Ite . . . 880100713... just dont know what receiver to buy for it |
| [03:24:10] | Loto: | macros, volume/channel pushthrough features |
| [03:24:27] | pushpop`: | thats pretty cool |
| [03:24:33] | sigger_2_: | heh, $7.61 shipping on a $5 remote/receiver. |
| [03:24:35] | Loto: | and they are uber cheap |
| [03:24:41] | Loto: | as long as you can figure out the protocol supported by the reciever |
| [03:24:46] | Loto: | you can tell the logitech remote what to send |
| [03:24:51] | Loto: | thats what makes it universal :) |
| [03:25:21] | Loto: | no one knows how i can start a kde session as the mythtv user? |
| [03:25:22] | pushpop`: | I have to purchase the receiver seperate |
| [03:25:31] | pushpop`: | ? |
| [03:25:39] | Loto: | logitech is designed for home theature, not pc use |
| [03:25:45] | pushpop`: | ic |
| [03:25:51] | Loto: | it only uses pc to upload configuration |
| [03:25:57] | pushpop`: | your right |
| [03:26:15] | Loto: | now thats not saying it doesnt work with pcs, its just you need to get a reciever for the pc supported by the logitech remote |
| [03:26:18] | pushpop`: | do you have a link to the remote/recvr you recommend |
| [03:26:27] | Loto: | never used logitech, i have no idea |
| [03:26:35] | Loto: | google is probly your friend |
| [03:26:46] | pushpop`: | im asking about the 1 you use |
| [03:26:58] | Loto: | i use an xbox as my frontend |
| [03:27:04] | Loto: | i only use mythtvbackend |
| [03:27:14] | sigger_2_: | Loto: how's the xbox work for you |
| [03:27:35] | Loto: | i dont use mythtvfrontend on the xbox |
| [03:27:42] | Loto: | i use a python script for XBMC |
| [03:28:02] | sigger_2_: | oh. |
| [03:28:02] | Loto: | I fell behind on mythtv updates and the script broke so i havnt had it up and running |
| [03:28:11] | Loto: | it supports live tv and recorded programs... |
| [03:28:23] | Loto: | XBMC handles my movie and music collection more conviently imo |
| [03:28:34] | Loto: | oh and also the tv guide |
| [03:28:50] | Loto: | but right now im just trying to get a kde session running as the mythtv user |
| [03:28:55] | Loto: | so i can configure this SOB |
| [03:29:45] | sigger_2_: | sorry, I don't use kde |
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| [03:31:54] | sigger_2_: | hey, PuShPoP, you may be able to get a IR receiver for shipping only |
| [03:32:42] | sigger_2_: | I just realized that the mobo I've been staring at has no COM1. I prolly need to change to a USB IR receiver for that one. |
| [03:33:40] | pushpop`: | haha your gonna send me yours? |
| [03:34:06] | sphery: | jenn`: Sorry for taking so long to get back--stepped away. |
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| [03:34:17] | sphery: | Might want to take a look at http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/DigitalSound . . . .2C_Properly |
| [03:34:19] | sigger_2_: | dang. can anyone tell me if a rs-232 to USB converter gizmo will allow me to use an rs-232 IR receiver? |
| [03:34:19] | jenn`: | sphery, no problem |
| [03:34:26] | sphery: | Will work well for analog outputs. |
| [03:34:34] | sphery: | Breaks passthrough, though, on most systems. |
| [03:34:45] | jenn`: | sphery, alsa is setup properly though, if tvtime is working, right? |
| [03:34:46] | sphery: | I'm guessing you're using analog output (from the buffer underrun) |
| [03:35:06] | pushpop`: | i'm gonna look into ir more sigger i really dont know what I want |
| [03:35:08] | pushpop`: | and what will work |
| [03:35:09] | sphery: | well, it means that ALSA is set up properly for tvtime... |
| [03:35:11] | pushpop`: | but I need a remote soon |
| [03:35:12] | pushpop`: | haha |
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| [03:35:33] | sphery: | The wiki page will show you how to set up ALSA for Myth. |
| [03:36:09] | sphery: | There are a lot of variables that determine what configuration is necessary--some are in application software, some are in ALSA driver (versions), some are in hardware. |
| [03:36:18] | jenn`: | well I need to know enough about this to not screw up tvtime... |
| [03:36:30] | sphery: | The wiki page shows a good general-purpose way of configuring ALSA for use with MythTV. |
| [03:36:40] | sphery: | And shouldn't adversely affect other applications. |
| [03:36:41] | sphery: | :) |
| [03:36:43] | Netslayer: | i've loaded the default cx88_dvb etc modules for my pchdtv 3000 card and yet ./dtvsignal -d 0 2.1 gives 0 signal. i know there is signal (i have another atsc tuner)....what am i doign wrong? |
| [03:40:33] | jenn`: | sphery, I don't know anything about this stuff |
| [03:41:10] | sphery: | what sound card are you using? |
| [03:41:31] | jenn`: | sound blaster live 24bit |
| [03:41:56] | sphery: | Hmmmm. With that, you should be able to play back without anything fancy in the ALSA configuration. |
| [03:42:08] | sphery: | Oh, wait. That's not the emu10k1, is it? |
| [03:42:12] | jenn`: | ca0106 |
| [03:42:33] | sphery: | OK, then back to my suggestion... Try the ALSA config in the wiki. :) |
| [03:42:58] | jenn`: | copying exactly that config did not help anything |
| [03:43:08] | jenn`: | if i need to edit that config, i dont have the slightest clue what I need to edit |
| [03:43:10] | sphery: | It's the emu10k1x driver, right? |
| [03:43:13] | jenn`: | ca0106 |
| [03:44:11] | sigger_2_: | heh, sorry PuShPoP, looks like I'm just buying a cheapie serial port card for $10–15. I'll still be using my PB IR receiver |
| [03:44:26] | sphery: | like "/sbin/lsmod | grep snd" shows you snd-ca0106? |
| [03:44:38] | sphery: | (might have to sudo that) |
| [03:44:49] | jenn`: | I know it uses ca0106 |
| [03:45:18] | jenn`: | and yes that comes up |
| [03:45:54] | sphery: | OK. |
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| [03:51:34] | roz: | is there any way I can disable DPMS disabling in mythtv? |
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| [03:56:17] | sphery: | jenn`: I'm not finding much information about the card via my usual routes in the ALSA source/default config. It seems the driver for it is simpler than the drivers that were designed for multiple very different hardware versions. |
| [03:56:44] | sphery: | can you pastebin the output of "aplay -l" and "aplay -L", please |
| [03:58:08] | jenn`: | http://pastebin.ca/155538 |
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| [04:01:53] | sphery: | Can you rename the ~/.asoundrc (or /etc/asound.conf) and then re-run the aplay -L, please |
| [04:03:47] | jenn`: | http://pastebin.ca/155545 |
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| [04:06:41] | sphery: | And you got the same buffer underruns with the .asoundrc? |
| [04:07:13] | jenn`: | yes |
| [04:07:25] | sphery: | What ALSA version? |
| [04:07:30] | sphery: | cat /proc/asound/version |
| [04:07:39] | sphery: | will tell you |
| [04:07:42] | jenn`: | 1.0.11 |
| [04:08:02] | sphery: | OK. Your ALSA configuration is fine without the .asoundrc/asound.conf. |
| [04:08:09] | sphery: | Probably easier to do without it. |
| [04:08:14] | jenn`: | ok |
| [04:08:17] | sphery: | (Since otherwise you ' |
| [04:08:29] | sphery: | d need to figure out which device is which) |
| [04:08:46] | sphery: | So, it's probably a playback issue in Myth due to a misconfiguration. |
| [04:08:57] | sphery: | Are you using a remote filesystem for your video storage? |
| [04:09:30] | jenn`: | nope |
| [04:09:42] | sphery: | OK. |
| [04:10:26] | sphery: | OK, have you turned off the Aggressive AggressiveSoundcardBuffer"); gc->setLabel(QObject::tr("Aggressive Sound |
| [04:10:31] | jenn`: | yes |
| [04:10:39] | sphery: | That's supposed to be Aggressive Sound card Buffering |
| [04:10:48] | jenn`: | yeah i figured that |
| [04:11:07] | sphery: | And the Use video as timebase |
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| [04:11:23] | sphery: | (also off ?) |
| [04:11:29] | sphery: | should be. |
| [04:11:51] | jenn`: | where is that setting |
| [04:12:28] | sphery: | Playback settings, first page (General playback) |
| [04:12:41] | jenn`: | yes its off |
| [04:13:06] | sphery: | While in there, you can also verify that Extra audio buffering is on |
| [04:13:12] | sphery: | (same page) |
| [04:13:14] | jenn`: | it is |
| [04:13:22] | sphery: | OK. |
| [04:13:25] | sphery: | HDTV or SDTV? |
| [04:14:11] | jenn`: | sdtv i guess? |
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| [04:14:30] | sphery: | Hmmm. |
| [04:14:34] | sphery: | I'm out of ideas. |
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| [04:14:41] | sphery: | Probably doesn't help that it's after midnight here. |
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| [04:14:49] | jenn`: | oh well |
| [04:14:51] | jenn`: | thanks for trying |
| [04:16:50] | sphery: | Do you get these when playing back recordings or only in LiveTV? |
| [04:20:18] | sphery: | I'm guessing you get these also when recording. |
| [04:20:42] | sphery: | My current guess is that Myth is not getting any audio from the capture device. |
| [04:21:02] | jenn`: | never tried a recording |
| [04:21:26] | sphery: | This could happen with a frame grabber if you've selected the wrong capture channel |
| [04:21:48] | sphery: | or with a PVR-x50 due to msp3400 (or whatever the PVR-150/500 uses) module issues |
| [04:22:06] | jenn`: | dont know anything about that..but ok |
| [04:22:08] | sphery: | Or with a framegrabber because of cabling issues (using passthrough to the line in) |
| [04:22:14] | jenn`: | my main question is why does tvtime work and not mythtv |
| [04:22:23] | sphery: | Or, if you put ALSA:default for the capture device |
| [04:22:31] | jenn`: | i did put alsa:default for the capture device |
| [04:22:34] | sphery: | (ALSA:default can /only/ be used for playback device) |
| [04:22:38] | sphery: | Aha! |
| [04:22:40] | jenn`: | ok maybe i put it for the playback |
| [04:22:42] | jenn`: | let me check |
| [04:22:43] | sphery: | Took me long enough to get there. |
| [04:22:48] | sphery: | OK, check. |
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| [04:23:13] | jenn`: | audio output device is ALSA:default |
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| [04:23:17] | sphery: | Audio output device in mythfrontend settings is for playback |
| [04:23:43] | jenn`: | ok |
| [04:23:51] | jenn`: | thats the only place i put that in |
| [04:24:57] | sphery: | What capture card? |
| [04:25:08] | jenn`: | compro videomate gold plus |
| [04:26:13] | jenn`: | saa7134 driver |
| [04:26:25] | jenn`: | i need to go...if you have anymore ideas can you send me a message and i'll check later? |
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| [04:29:20] | sphery: | jenn`: Make sure Audio device in mythtv-setup is set correctly (that's the capture device) |
| [04:29:35] | sphery: | Then, check out http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2238 |
| [04:29:57] | sphery: | And, for a workaround, use v4lctrl to unmute your card in a channel-change script. |
| [04:30:20] | jenn`: | what device do i put in |
| [04:30:24] | jenn`: | and... |
| [04:30:29] | jenn`: | my card is unmuted, i know that much |
| [04:32:03] | jenn`: | and i have to go. please msg me with anyhting else. i'll check out that link. thank you |
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| [04:32:05] | sphery: | But, when MythTV starts recording (LiveTV or otherwise), it doesn't properly unmute your card. Your card /always/ starts out muted. |
| [04:32:28] | jenn`: | cant i unmute my card using alsamixer |
| [04:32:53] | sphery: | TTBOMK, no. |
| [04:33:02] | jenn`: | ok |
| [04:33:06] | jenn`: | i'll looki nto that then |
| [04:33:07] | jenn`: | thanks |
| [04:33:08] | sphery: | You need to unmute the V4L1 capture |
| [04:33:10] | sphery: | gl |
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| [04:54:16] | SlicerDicer-: | Cardoe_: you around? |
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| [05:04:11] | xris: | mm.. turkish coffee is good stuff. |
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| [05:22:08] | SlicerDicer-: | is there anyway to repair a mpg with texture damage? |
| [05:46:43] | linagee: | texture damage? lol |
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| [06:10:05] | Loto: | hrm |
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| [06:10:19] | Loto: | just upgrading mythtv 14 to 19 |
| [06:10:31] | Loto: | and i cant seem to find where to define the buffer location and size |
| [06:10:33] | Loto: | has it moved? |
| [06:10:53] | Anduin: | Loto: Yes, to gone. |
| [06:11:19] | Loto: | where does it cache livetv then? |
| [06:12:19] | Netslayer: | anyone have a hd3000 working and can lsmod | grep dvb me the output? |
| [06:12:57] | Netslayer: | is the cx88_blackbird module supposed to be loaded? I can't seem to get a signal out of this thing and i know i should have one (sep atsc tuner) |
| [06:13:00] | Anduin: | Loto: It doesn't, it records them, just like if you scheduled them, gives them a different category, expires them faster, etc. |
| [06:13:49] | Loto: | i see... hrm... guess the mythtvxbmc python script isnt going to be using livetv for a while :) |
| [06:13:53] | Loto: | thanks for the info Anduin |
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| [06:19:14] | Netslayer: | this is driving me nuts, i know i have signal but this dvb card just wont budge |
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| [06:48:14] | Netslayer: | :-/ 2.6.17 + gentoo + pchdtv hd3000 = no signal for me.. any ideas? |
| [06:48:53] | Netslayer: | cx88_dvb loaded, firmware loaded, ./dtvsignal -d 0 2.1 gives me 0.. and I've plugged in the antenna to a directv atsc tuner and it gets 90%!! |
| [06:49:25] | CCFL_Man: | Netslayer: how teh floop are you getting directv? |
| [06:49:31] | CCFL_Man: | on mythtv |
| [06:49:45] | Netslayer: | what? |
| [06:49:52] | Netslayer: | "directv atsc tuner" |
| [06:50:03] | Netslayer: | my box has it's own atsc tuner.. so what |
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| [06:53:57] | CCFL_Man: | you using a directv receiver? |
| [06:54:01] | Netslayer: | no |
| [06:54:06] | CCFL_Man: | oh, i see now |
| [06:54:10] | CCFL_Man: | n/m |
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| [07:16:46] | kambei: | Netslayer: You have some kind of DirecTV tuner card? |
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| [09:55:54] | Kelerion: | morning all |
| [09:56:53] | Merlin83b: | Morning Kelerion |
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| [10:06:53] | adante: | aussies ahoy |
| [10:07:12] | adante: | what are people doing nowadays for epg guide info? |
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| [11:22:49] | Juski: | adante: reading the TV mag? :-P |
| [11:23:00] | lupin_sansei: | on MythWeb what is the load average out of 1, or 100? |
| [11:23:35] | lupin_sansei: | I thought it was a fraction of 1, but my load average says 1.24 |
| [11:24:31] | lupin_sansei: | anyone know? |
| [11:25:11] | janneg: | lupin_sansei: load average is the average number of processes waiting in the kernel scheduler queue |
| [11:25:33] | lupin_sansei: | okay, so it's not percentage over CPU usage? |
| [11:26:21] | qu0zl: | it's the normal unix load average, google will give you long explanations of it |
| [11:26:40] | lupin_sansei: | okay, so is 1.24 meaning that the CPU is "maxed out"? |
| [11:26:40] | Juski: | lies, damn lies & statistics :) |
| [11:26:57] | qu0zl: | No, read the explanations, it's complicated :) |
| [11:27:05] | lupin_sansei: | ok |
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| [11:28:19] | lupin_sansei: | okay, so from my reading my single CPU machine was overloaded by 24% |
| [11:30:57] | Juski: | all of which means you need a supercomputing grid, or maybe you just need to wait a little longer for stuff to finish |
| [11:31:19] | qu0zl: | no lupin_sansei |
| [11:31:30] | qu0zl: | a process blocked waiting for disk i/o also adds to your load average |
| [11:31:45] | qu0zl: | so a load average of >1 does not necessarily mean that your cpu is overloaded |
| [11:31:49] | lupin_sansei: | really |
| [11:31:56] | ** maniacxs votes for high performance cluster ** | |
| [11:33:00] | qu0zl: | lupin_sansei, check out your cpu load on the box, ssh in and use top, you can monitor the cpu load in real-time if you so wish |
| [11:34:31] | lupin_sansei: | Okay thanks |
| [11:40:47] | Juski: | a little bit OT... is it possible/advisable to have HDDs spin down to save power in a linux box? |
| [11:42:13] | Kelerion: | yup.. it's doable |
| [11:42:26] | Juski: | workable too? |
| [11:42:40] | Kelerion: | never done it.. lots of people do though |
| [11:42:52] | Kelerion: | it;s in /etc/hdparm.conf |
| [11:42:57] | Kelerion: | http://www.ma.utexas.edu/users/stirling/compu . . . rsaving.html |
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| [11:44:00] | Kelerion: | it might be useful for a myth FE.. not sure about BE though |
| [11:44:57] | Juski: | yeah that's what I was thinking... if I need to wait til the HDDs spin up it'll screw up recordings |
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| [11:46:14] | Juski: | looks like I'll get the biggest power saving just by moving to a more efficient CPU |
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| [11:47:23] | Kelerion: | possibly... but I think the hdd thing could work too |
| [11:47:47] | Juski: | I might try enabling it on my test box & see what happens |
| [11:47:59] | Kelerion: | especially if you think about how many hours a day your FE isn't actually doing anything |
| [11:48:12] | Juski: | I don't leave my FE switched on anyway |
| [11:48:21] | Kelerion: | ahh ok |
| [11:48:22] | Juski: | and it doesn't have any HDDs |
| [11:48:24] | Kelerion: | mines on 24/7 |
| [11:48:31] | Kelerion: | oh.. lol |
| [11:48:54] | Juski: | wtf is this AM2 socket style?? bugger AMD keep still for a minute! |
| [11:49:13] | Kelerion: | am2 socket |
| [11:49:14] | Kelerion: | ? |
| [11:50:00] | Kelerion: | ahh amd's new m2.. released in may according to wikipedia :) |
| [11:51:04] | Kelerion: | for Orleans and Manila chips apparently... never heard of 'em! lol |
| [11:51:18] | Juski: | it's all fucking gobbledygook to me |
| [11:51:24] | Kelerion: | same here |
| [11:51:44] | Juski: | once upon a time you bought a CPU and a motherboard with apparently had erm.. chips & stuff on it |
| [11:51:57] | Kelerion: | bring back the good ol days of maths-challenged pentiums! |
| [11:52:12] | Juski: | are Asrock any good? Nforce3 good in Linux? |
| [11:52:29] | Juski: | never had an Asrock board before, but found a cheap un |
| [11:52:47] | Kelerion: | not used any asrock.. but nforce3 is supposed to have decent linux support I think |
| [11:52:59] | Juski: | coolios |
| [11:53:19] | Juski: | wow this board is not only £36.88.. it has 5 PCI slots |
| [11:53:36] | Juski: | and zero lanes of PCI-E :) |
| [11:53:49] | Kelerion: | which board is it? |
| [11:53:53] | Juski: | damn it's DDR2 only AFAICT |
| [11:54:43] | Juski: | AM2NF3-VSTA |
| [11:55:24] | Kelerion: | thats cheaper than CCL are doing AM2 boards |
| [11:56:14] | Kelerion: | 7.1 channel audio too.. neat deal |
| [11:56:36] | janneg: | Juski: am2 boards have all only DDR2 |
| [11:56:36] | Juski: | don't nee dhat though |
| [11:57:03] | Juski: | so I have to try find a S939 board with more than 2 PCI slots |
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| [11:57:31] | Kelerion: | 3 any use? |
| [11:57:35] | Juski: | nope |
| [11:58:00] | Juski: | 3 would be filled straight away – I always like to keep at least one free |
| [11:58:37] | Kelerion: | http://www.cclonline.com/product-info.asp?pro . . . acturer_id=0 |
| [11:59:17] | Juski: | I think I'm getting too damn old to be buying components |
| [12:01:36] | Kelerion: | it's a young mans game? well, damn.. lol |
| [12:02:15] | Juski: | "All I want is a new conscooter!" |
| [12:02:47] | Kelerion: | "all I want for christmas is my two front teeth" |
| [12:04:16] | Juski: | I think I'm looking at at least £120 to save a few pence per week, so screw it |
| [12:05:07] | Kelerion: | why? what kind of processor you looking at? |
| [12:05:23] | Juski: | A64 |
| [12:05:33] | Juski: | they've all got that stepping bollocks apparently |
| [12:05:48] | Kelerion: | so does my intel in my laptop |
| [12:05:55] | Kelerion: | works a treat under linux |
| [12:06:16] | Kelerion: | you mean the processor scaling thing? |
| [12:06:26] | Juski: | my argument for A64 being – I don't need dual core, and they're shedloads cheaper than intel still |
| [12:06:33] | Kelerion: | yup |
| [12:06:38] | Juski: | I also don't need it to be uber fast |
| [12:06:56] | Juski: | .. but I also don't need it pulling 120W from the mains all the bloody time |
| [12:07:09] | Kelerion: | 36 quid mobo.. A64 3400=42 quid |
| [12:07:16] | Kelerion: | +vat |
| [12:07:51] | Kelerion: | or 50 for the athlon instead of sempron |
| [12:08:23] | Juski: | prices I have here... A64 3000 939 Venice, 1.8ghz £48.15 inc vat |
| [12:08:43] | Juski: | I wish more places sold bundles |
| [12:08:57] | Kelerion: | maplins do |
| [12:09:33] | Juski: | rofl |
| [12:09:45] | Kelerion: | I know..they're crap bundles.. but they're bundles.. lol |
| [12:11:57] | Kelerion: | overclockers do nice bundles... but they aren't the cheapest |
| [12:12:12] | Kelerion: | http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Athlon_64X2_Bundles.html |
| [12:14:36] | Juski: | found a deal on Aria's site |
| [12:15:13] | Juski: | 2800 sempron64 s754 £34.37 plus Abit NF8 for £37.54 – less than £80 total inc vat |
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| [12:15:40] | Juski: | that'll be faster than the 2000XP I use now & run cooler etc |
| [12:16:01] | Kelerion: | yup.. pretty good deal |
| [12:16:30] | Kelerion: | never bought from them before |
| [12:17:19] | Juski: | I did once. I've gone off scam.co.uk and planetmicro never have anything in. Microdirect are the same.. never owt in |
| [12:18:05] | Kelerion: | that mobo has 5 pci slots |
| [12:19:38] | Kelerion: | the Asus K8V-X looks nice too |
| [12:19:49] | Kelerion: | I like asus boards |
| [12:21:28] | Kelerion: | the abit looks like a better board though actually.. 1600 bus |
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| [12:26:12] | Kelerion: | "JAWS 3.7 supports the brand new operating system from Microsoft called Windows Millennium! " |
| [12:26:18] | Kelerion: | oh dear... a bit out of date |
| [12:30:24] | Juski: | JAWS?! lol |
| [12:30:33] | Kelerion: | screen reader software |
| [12:35:52] | aevilsk: | Juski, i just build a pc with an 2800sempron s754 |
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| [12:36:02] | aevilsk: | too bad it does not support cool & quiet |
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| [12:36:44] | Juski: | what? the cpu doesn't, or the board doesn't ? |
| [12:37:16] | aevilsk: | the cpu |
| [12:37:22] | Juski: | bah |
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| [12:37:40] | Juski: | I was under the impression that all the A64 cpus supported it :-| |
| [12:37:54] | Ruleke: | they do afaik |
| [12:37:57] | aevilsk: | sempron does with rating > 3000, iirc |
| [12:38:30] | Ruleke: | Processors supporting Cool'n'Quiet Athlon 64 – all models Athlon 64 X2 – all models Athlon 64 FX – FX-53 (Socket 939 only) and higher Sempron – Socket AM2: 2800+ and higher; Socket 754: 3000+ and higher; Socket A: not supported |
| [12:38:45] | Ruleke: | there you go :) |
| [12:39:01] | Ruleke: | so 3000 too :) |
| [12:39:19] | Juski: | excellent |
| [12:39:44] | Ruleke: | as long as it's not socket A ;) |
| [12:39:47] | Ruleke: | if that exists |
| [12:40:33] | Juski: | heh if I can find a socket A version I don't need to buy a new board lol |
| [12:40:33] | aevilsk: | ah, bummer |
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| [12:41:03] | Ruleke: | heh why you need a new board anyway ? |
| [12:41:15] | Ruleke: | at home I buidl everythign from spare parts lyign about |
| [12:41:22] | Juski: | power saving |
| [12:41:23] | Ruleke: | old boxes being the backend |
| [12:41:25] | Ruleke: | ah yes |
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| [12:41:37] | Ruleke: | I do that for the frontends only |
| [12:41:44] | Ruleke: | epia works nicely |
| [12:42:12] | Juski: | true but epia boards don't come with more than one pci slot |
| [12:42:54] | Ruleke: | ah but they are frontends :) |
| [12:42:58] | Ruleke: | the rest is onboard |
| [12:43:13] | Ruleke: | you need lots of tuners ? :) |
| [12:43:29] | Juski: | 3 tuners minimum |
| [12:43:41] | Ruleke: | I have a few friends that run on epias with 2 pvr500 cards |
| [12:43:45] | Ruleke: | the bus is split-able |
| [12:43:50] | Juski: | and my frontend is already an epia. which'll be bugger all use for HDTV |
| [12:44:10] | Juski: | Ruleke: pvr500s will be useless once analogue gets switched off here in 2008 |
| [12:45:21] | Juski: | unless you buy a shedload of freeview/Sky/Freesat boxen :-P |
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| [12:45:53] | Juski: | anyway I have a meeting to go to |
| [12:46:34] | fish_: | re |
| [12:54:35] | Ruleke: | Juski: ah ok :) |
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| [12:55:52] | adante: | Juski: not funny :P |
| [12:57:05] | Ruleke: | hehe there is no good way to build a frontend for hdtv h264 anyway |
| [12:57:46] | GreyFoxx: | What do you mean by that ? |
| [12:58:56] | Ruleke: | that it takes too much cpu to decode |
| [12:59:22] | Ruleke: | meaning that I either have to spend too much money, or it becomes a box that is too loud, etc etc |
| [12:59:28] | Ruleke: | I'm not bothering for now :) |
| [13:00:16] | GreyFoxx: | ahhhh |
| [13:00:31] | lupin_sansei: | that's what's good about HD in Australia, it's just mpg2, so video cards can decode it for you |
| [13:00:38] | Ruleke: | same here |
| [13:00:41] | Ruleke: | but they are switching |
| [13:00:49] | GreyFoxx: | All of my HDTV samples are mpeg2, haven't tried any h264 yet |
| [13:00:56] | Ruleke: | now it's still "simulcast" :) |
| [13:01:02] | lupin_sansei: | ok |
| [13:01:31] | lupin_sansei: | one irksome thing is that our SD is broadcast in mpg2 16:9 so my DVD can't play it (well it squashes is to 4:3) |
| [13:01:47] | Ruleke: | hmm |
| [13:02:12] | lupin_sansei: | maybe better DVD players can? |
| [13:02:35] | GreyFoxx: | Your player should be able to handle 16:9 |
| [13:02:41] | lupin_sansei: | our SD is 7xx by 5xx (I forget the exact number) but at 16:9 |
| [13:02:49] | GreyFoxx: | Depending on the resolution of course |
| [13:02:51] | Ruleke: | 720*568 |
| [13:02:56] | lupin_sansei: | 704 I think |
| [13:02:57] | Ruleke: | is pal |
| [13:03:14] | GreyFoxx: | err 576 |
| [13:03:19] | Ruleke: | gah yes |
| [13:03:31] | GreyFoxx: | and the 704 is due to 8 pixels on each side of "black" |
| [13:03:42] | GreyFoxx: | so it's 720x with only 704 having picture |
| [13:04:22] | lupin_sansei: | sorry 720x576 |
| [13:04:33] | lupin_sansei: | Where did I get 704 from? |
| [13:04:58] | GreyFoxx: | 704 is what most people get when they chop the 2 black columns |
| [13:04:59] | Ruleke: | in palplus, only 432 have picture |
| [13:05:25] | lupin_sansei: | looks very nice though, so clear like a DVD, so much better than analogue |
| [13:05:34] | Ruleke: | 704*432 I guess in the end ? |
| [13:05:40] | Ruleke: | for palplus :/ |
| [13:06:40] | Ruleke: | anyhow, the topic was dvb |
| [13:06:46] | Ruleke: | down with palplus crap |
| [13:06:55] | lupin_sansei: | we have DVB in Australia I think |
| [13:07:15] | Ruleke: | I thought so |
| [13:07:27] | Ruleke: | no idea what all this atsc etc is all about :) |
| [13:07:34] | lupin_sansei: | where are you? |
| [13:07:42] | Ruleke: | .be |
| [13:07:46] | Ruleke: | belgium |
| [13:07:57] | Ruleke: | not to mentiont he strange dvb-c / opencable thing |
| [13:07:58] | lupin_sansei: | okay, I think the Aussie one is similar to the German DVB system |
| [13:08:33] | lupin_sansei: | It's nice that it transmits the EPG over the air, as it means you don't have to have your myth BE on the internet to get a programme guide |
| [13:08:56] | lupin_sansei: | What do they have in the UK? |
| [13:09:11] | Ruleke: | dvb |
| [13:09:23] | Ruleke: | and the whole sky thing in sattelite I guess |
| [13:10:06] | lupin_sansei: | ok |
| [13:10:19] | Ruleke: | in Belgium, cable is used everywhere, almost no terrestial stuff anymore |
| [13:10:21] | aevilsk: | epg data is only 2 days or so |
| [13:10:33] | Ruleke: | so the future will be dvb-c, not dvb-t |
| [13:10:43] | Ruleke: | which I think is nice :) |
| [13:10:51] | Ruleke: | epg data here is 4 days |
| [13:11:03] | Ruleke: | :/ |
| [13:11:07] | lupin_sansei: | it's only 3 hours ahead in Oz :( |
| [13:11:16] | Ruleke: | yikes |
| [13:11:18] | aevilsk: | heh, now that is bad |
| [13:11:20] | lupin_sansei: | annoying |
| [13:11:31] | Ruleke: | so almost only now/next data :) |
| [13:11:38] | lupin_sansei: | yes |
| [13:11:46] | lupin_sansei: | It's 2 or 3 Nexts |
| [13:11:58] | Ruleke: | crazy |
| [13:12:07] | lupin_sansei: | at least the "schedule by keyword" works as they broadcast the description |
| [13:12:18] | Ruleke: | I really like not having to run an xmltv scraper anymore |
| [13:12:24] | lupin_sansei: | yeah me too |
| [13:12:29] | lupin_sansei: | The Oz one is always up and down |
| [13:12:43] | Ruleke: | the one here is ok, but also only 5 days |
| [13:12:54] | aevilsk: | i just never bothered with it, using myth for 3 months or so |
| [13:13:04] | lupin_sansei: | We have a commerical one ($3 per month) that is 1 month ahead |
| [13:13:19] | Ruleke: | yeah I hear those exist for you guys |
| [13:13:27] | lupin_sansei: | but I just can't be bothered setting it up for my credit card, the EPG one is good enough for now |
| [13:13:29] | Ruleke: | no such things for us :P |
| [13:13:49] | Ruleke: | 4days eit is ok |
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| [13:13:54] | Ruleke: | epg that is |
| [13:13:58] | lupin_sansei: | I basically just want it to record all Simpsons, Futuramas, Curb Your Enthusiams and so on |
| [13:14:05] | lupin_sansei: | .. and it does that okay |
| [13:14:58] | lupin_sansei: | Question. How does the DVB EPG work in Myth, does Myth peridodically cycle through the Channels and collect the EPG from each channel, or does each channel broadcast the EPG for all the othe channels? |
| [13:15:20] | stuarta: | depends where you live as to what is broadcast |
| [13:15:25] | aevilsk: | lupin_sansei, 3h sucks if you want to start your backend only for recordings |
| [13:15:38] | stuarta: | but yes, myth walks through all the channels to get the EIT data |
| [13:15:47] | lupin_sansei: | really, how often does it do it? |
| [13:16:02] | stuarta: | default is to change channel every 5 mins |
| [13:16:10] | lupin_sansei: | aevilsk: yes it does. It kind of works for recodings, but I would like it to be a few days |
| [13:16:14] | stuarta: | if you have it configured and enabled |
| [13:16:38] | lupin_sansei: | Well it seems to work, so it must be doing it |
| [13:16:55] | Merlin83b: | stuarta: Running 11004 now. BE seems to be up and running, compiling plugins before starting FE |
| [13:16:58] | lupin_sansei: | I guess in a single tuner backend it can't do it when you are recording |
| [13:17:19] | stuarta: | lupin_sansei: it can, but it won't change channel |
| [13:17:36] | stuarta: | Merlin83b: I haven't even updated to that yet :) |
| [13:18:04] | Merlin83b: | Heh |
| [13:18:08] | lupin_sansei: | stuarta: so in that case it's only updating the EPG for the current channel you are recording from? |
| [13:18:24] | qu0zl: | Juski, i don't know if you got a reply about this already but you need to be very careful if you're spinning down 3 1/2 inch hdds. They're not specced for anything like as many up/down cycles as a laptop hdd, and when i was thinking about doing that i saw some advice against it |
| [13:19:06] | stuarta: | lupin_sansei: you are in aus I see, you will only get that channel and no long term data |
| [13:20:58] | lupin_sansei: | stuarta: ok |
| [13:21:18] | lupin_sansei: | Does the US use DVB? |
| [13:21:27] | stuarta: | ATSC |
| [13:21:41] | stuarta: | except on the odd satellite |
| [13:22:31] | lupin_sansei: | http://www.dvb.org/graphics/internal/Adoption-Map_DVB-T.jpg |
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| [13:23:02] | Ruleke: | they don't even use dvb-c... |
| [13:23:04] | Ruleke: | silyl |
| [13:23:13] | linagee: | qu0zl: any HD spun up/down tons of times will die |
| [13:23:26] | lupin_sansei: | Yet again the whole world uses the same standard except Japan and the US |
| [13:23:38] | lupin_sansei: | reminds me of GSM |
| [13:23:49] | qu0zl: | aye that's my point linagee :) but the laptop ones are specced for an order of magnitude more up/down cycles than 3 1/2 inch ones |
| [13:24:25] | qu0zl: | i tried to do some guesstimates and i came up with a 3 1/2hd being speced for a year of the up/down cycles i'd guess it'd have |
| [13:24:33] | linagee: | qu0zl: best to just keep the drives spun up in some sort of raid for data redundancy |
| [13:24:36] | qu0zl: | very guesstimaty :) |
| [13:24:51] | qu0zl: | the reason for spinning them down was sound |
| [13:24:57] | linagee: | er, some sort of raid > 0 |
| [13:25:21] | qu0zl: | raid doesn't help remove the sound of spinning platters :) you're solving a different problem than the one i had there ;) |
| [13:25:38] | linagee: | qu0zl: did you cut the manuf estimate of up/down in half? :-> |
| [13:25:42] | qu0zl: | i've come to terms with the sound of one fairly quiet hdd :) i just had some perfectionist ambitions that didnt work |
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| [13:26:14] | qu0zl: | nope, but it was so bad even at the stated value i didnt dare do it :) |
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| [13:26:24] | linagee: | qu0zl: i wouldn't know. i have 6 drives spinning each with their own fan. for sound, i just keep that monster in another room. :-> |
| [13:26:46] | qu0zl: | i've a completely solid state FE/BE except for the 1 hdd |
| [13:26:51] | qu0zl: | so it's the noisiest component |
| [13:27:01] | linagee: | qu0zl: FE/BE? |
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| [13:27:08] | qu0zl: | frontend & backend, mythtv |
| [13:27:13] | linagee: | ah |
| [13:27:32] | linagee: | qu0zl: what do you mean completely solid state? how much storage space? |
| [13:27:48] | linagee: | like 1GB? heh |
| [13:27:53] | qu0zl: | nah the 1hdd! |
| [13:28:04] | Ruleke: | netboot ? |
| [13:28:09] | qu0zl: | no other moving parts, passively cooled system |
| [13:28:29] | linagee: | qu0zl: PSU? |
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| [13:28:42] | qu0zl: | it's a mini-itx so solid state psu |
| [13:28:45] | qu0zl: | no fans |
| [13:28:54] | linagee: | mini itx. ew. |
| [13:28:57] | Ruleke: | I have a DC-DC board in one of my boxes |
| [13:29:04] | Ruleke: | I like mini itx |
| [13:29:19] | qu0zl: | mini-itx rocks. i don't have HD channels so it does everything i need |
| [13:29:35] | Ruleke: | I have 5 epias running :) |
| [13:29:36] | ** linagee does not like the small number of expansion slots. and do they even make a mini itx with pci express? ** | |
| [13:29:49] | qu0zl: | why do you need pci express for a mythtv box? |
| [13:29:49] | Ruleke: | nah frontends don't need pci |
| [13:29:53] | qu0zl: | this isn't my gaming machine :) |
| [13:30:01] | qu0zl: | it's got onboard mpeg2 decoding and tv-out |
| [13:30:03] | linagee: | qu0zl: hard drive controllers is one. :) |
| [13:30:16] | Ruleke: | ? |
| [13:30:19] | qu0zl: | i don't use my mythtv box as network storage |
| [13:30:25] | qu0zl: | it |
| [13:30:32] | Ruleke: | I could... put a sata card in there... |
| [13:30:32] | sigger: | love my epia too, but I'm getting a big new tv, so I feel compelled to get something with DVI output and a much bigger CPU for post-processing filters, etc |
| [13:30:33] | qu0zl: | it's on display so i want it small |
| [13:30:43] | linagee: | qu0zl: how big is your network storage then? |
| [13:30:45] | Ruleke: | sigger : epia EN12000 + dvi ? |
| [13:30:49] | Ruleke: | :) |
| [13:30:54] | qu0zl: | if i'd HDtv i'd get a non mini-itx |
| [13:30:58] | linagee: | Ruleke: a pci slow as heck sata card |
| [13:30:59] | Ruleke: | or 15000 with a fan ;) |
| [13:31:04] | Ruleke: | yer |
| [13:31:06] | sigger: | Ruleke: heh, try 600MHz |
| [13:31:14] | qu0zl: | i don't use one linagee, used to but i'm living on my own now and i don't use it enough to keep it powered up |
| [13:31:15] | sigger: | oh you mean for the new one. |
| [13:31:22] | Ruleke: | yer :) |
| [13:31:38] | Ruleke: | linagee: good enough for recordings :) |
| [13:31:41] | slaine_: | I'm planning on a core solo or something |
| [13:31:53] | slaine_: | hoping I can find passive cooling option |
| [13:31:59] | Ruleke: | I use an old P2 for fileserver now... also pci 2.1 |
| [13:32:00] | sigger: | Ruleke: worried it won't have enough CPU |
| [13:32:10] | linagee: | Ruleke: but not like 200 megabytes/sec or something. heh |
| [13:32:13] | Ruleke: | sigger : to do hdtv h264 ? |
| [13:32:25] | sigger: | whats h264? |
| [13:32:27] | Ruleke: | linagee: I use it as a network fileserver... |
| [13:32:37] | Ruleke: | mpeg4/AVC |
| [13:32:38] | sigger: | (seen it mentioned just haven't googled yet) |
| [13:32:55] | linagee: | qu0zl: so you have like one 750GB drive then or something? |
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| [13:33:12] | sigger: | ah. well, I wanna run mplayer with better deinterlacing, sharpening, etc. will it handle it? |
| [13:33:25] | Ruleke: | ah |
| [13:33:25] | qu0zl: | one 300gig hd in my mythtv box. i've got a decent raid array in my desktop but i barely use that anymore |
| [13:33:48] | Ruleke: | no idea, I run an m2–12000 now but use internal player... |
| [13:34:07] | qu0zl: | sigger, your mini-itx probably does bob deinterlace using xvmc if it's via? That seems to be the best deinterlace out there |
| [13:34:16] | linagee: | qu0zl: why do you barely use it now? |
| [13:34:27] | qu0zl: | chronic rsi, so i've given up gaming :) |
| [13:34:28] | sigger: | Ruleke: spending much $ on the tv. wanna be certain the computer has enough firepower. |
| [13:34:35] | Ruleke: | you are right |
| [13:34:36] | qu0zl: | too much world of bloody warcraft |
| [13:34:58] | linagee: | qu0zl: i think you mean world of warcrack. heh |
| [13:35:00] | Ruleke: | I'm not getting a new tv till they switch to H264 hdtv around here... |
| [13:35:09] | qu0zl: | :) |
| [13:35:17] | sigger: | qu0zl: not sure what mplayer uses. keep meanign to try Internal player. |
| [13:35:46] | sigger: | and it does use xv. |
| [13:35:50] | linagee: | Ruleke: get a TV with an ethernet jack and mpeg4 decoder built in? heh |
| [13:35:56] | Ruleke: | nah |
| [13:36:09] | Ruleke: | I mean that if I go hdtv, I'll have to build a new mythtv setup anyway |
| [13:36:52] | Ruleke: | so I might skip the mpeg2 phase because they are 1) very few cable channels and 2) they are switching already |
| [13:36:58] | linagee: | once hdtv becomes cheaper than a normal tv, i bet everyone will start buying them |
| [13:37:01] | qu0zl: | sigger xine supports xvmc which will let you use bob deinterlace on your via mini-itx. xv alone probably won't |
| [13:37:11] | qu0zl: | i dunno if mplayer supports it |
| [13:37:22] | Ruleke: | I used xine before with xvmc |
| [13:37:39] | sigger: | mplayer does xv. I was using xine, but I found that mplayer actually ran quite a bit faster on my pc than xine |
| [13:37:45] | linagee: | the only way i could see hdtv becoming cheaper is if they stop manufacturing regular tvs. |
| [13:37:51] | qu0zl: | sigger, i know mplayer does xv, but i don't know if it does xvmc |
| [13:38:03] | linagee: | qu0zl: xvmc? |
| [13:38:05] | qu0zl: | xv won't let you do bob deinterlace on a 600mhz via mini-itx, xvmc probably will |
| [13:38:17] | sigger: | e.g. I have avis that were unwatchable with xine that are A-OK with mplayer. |
| [13:38:22] | qu0zl: | mpeg decoding acceleration. the via's support it in hardware |
| [13:38:26] | sigger: | ooh. I thought xv and xvmc were the same |
| [13:38:55] | qu0zl: | might be the difference between using 60% cpu and 20% cpu, something along those lines |
| [13:38:59] | linagee: | qu0zl: "in hardware" = "in software" :-D |
| [13:39:09] | Ruleke: | all material I ever played on xine was xvid etc anyway... so not much use :) |
| [13:39:11] | linagee: | qu0zl: nothing is done "in hardware" :) |
| [13:39:23] | Ruleke: | adding :p |
| [13:39:42] | qu0zl: | linagee, there's dedicated silicon in the via openchrome cle266+ chips to do mpeg motion compensation |
| [13:39:46] | linagee: | qu0zl: maybe there is a chip dedicated to just taking care of mpeg decoding, but that implementation is still in software. :) |
| [13:39:46] | qu0zl: | that's in hardware tbh |
| [13:40:15] | qu0zl: | the grunt work is offloaded to the dedicated hardware. There may be a driver to control it, but that's hardware accelerated decoding |
| [13:40:22] | linagee: | qu0zl: so why not just have dual processors and then it can use the other processor for things besides mpeg decoding? :) |
| [13:40:33] | Ruleke: | heat ? power ? |
| [13:40:40] | Ruleke: | price ? |
| [13:40:44] | qu0zl: | because the mini-itx can run on <80ws? And is almost idle while decoding mpeg2 data, because of the dedicated hardware? |
| [13:40:49] | qu0zl: | also it's smaller |
| [13:40:52] | Ruleke: | much less than 80 |
| [13:40:53] | linagee: | qu0zl: dual pentium M. :) |
| [13:41:01] | linagee: | i have yet to see that |
| [13:41:04] | qu0zl: | they use more than twice the wattage per cpu |
| [13:41:12] | sigger: | well, all i know is that files that would not play under xine with -Vxxmc (i.e. xvmc as video out) play great with on mplayer with the xv option |
| [13:41:47] | qu0zl: | you may need a newer version of the openchrome driver sigger. it's in ubuntu dapper but not debian sarge for example |
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| [13:42:33] | slaine_: | There's also some fun with XvMC wrapper on Ubuntu |
| [13:42:38] | sigger: | qu0zl: ain't broke. ain't fixing it. :-d |
| [13:43:01] | qu0zl: | fair enough sigger :) just letting you know you can already get that fancy deinterlacing you want on your hardware ;) |
| [13:43:07] | qu0zl: | if you don't need it that's fair enough |
| [13:43:18] | slaine_: | I was having problems with my CLE266 based board using 50+% playing live tv. Fixed the software settings and now it uses 11% |
| [13:43:27] | slaine_: | and is smoother |
| [13:43:43] | sigger: | could be. I'm definitely not aware of what kind of deint it currently does. definitely appreciate the input :) |
| [13:44:46] | sigger: | and actually, I would really love to be able to just get another premade EPIA box rather than assembling a mobo/case/cpu/etc so I may just check it out. thanks |
| [13:45:07] | sigger: | wow slaine_, what speed CPU? |
| [13:45:47] | slaine_: | 1.2GHz |
| [13:46:10] | slaine_: | I'm on dapper |
| [13:46:46] | Ruleke: | yep, the openchrome driver ahs come a long way :) |
| [13:46:46] | slaine_: | Juski pointed me at this forum post about the wrapper issue on Dapper, http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3031 |
| [13:47:19] | slaine_: | And I recompiled mythtv after changing the settings mentioned in the file and made sure that --enable-xvmc was passed in |
| [13:47:57] | slaine_: | xine -V xxvmc was already showing me that my Xorg had got the correct XvMC installed |
| [13:48:12] | slaine_: | So I'm not sure if the wrapper thing was an issue or not |
| [13:48:19] | sigger: | I use knoppmyth. I can't imagine recompiling this on my 600Mhz. even worse, with my skill set I'd have to do it multiple times |
| [13:48:38] | slaine_: | I dumped knoppmyth as it's X was too old |
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| [13:49:03] | null: | Hello. Is there a way to use tv_grab_ch_bluewin together with mythfilldatabase? |
| [13:49:04] | sigger: | what did the old X prevent? |
| [13:49:17] | slaine_: | Though, xvmc did just work for me, it was an issue with serious underscan on my TV that made me switch to dapper and start again |
| [13:49:44] | slaine_: | I'd a huge black border around the image on the TV |
| [13:50:05] | sigger: | yeah I have black bars of about 4–5% screen size |
| [13:50:08] | slaine_: | Slightly overscanned at the moment with the new Dapper driver, but I can live with it for now. |
| [13:50:10] | slaine_: | nod |
| [13:50:25] | slaine_: | pissed me off to much after the novelty of it just working wore off |
| [13:50:37] | slaine_: | Compiling on a 600Mhz box won't be too bad |
| [13:51:03] | slaine_: | I just left mine doing it when I went to work and did a make install when I got home. |
| [13:51:47] | sigger: | I just don't think I have the know how to replace X, mess with openchrome, etc. and don't have the time to learn |
| [13:52:06] | sigger: | I would so pay to just have it be done. |
| [13:52:32] | slaine_: | Nod, I just installed Ubuntu, and followed several of the guides around. But yes, it does take time to just get it working |
| [13:53:04] | slaine_: | There are a couple of places that sell mythtv boxes prebuilt iirc. |
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| [13:53:50] | Ruleke: | null: sure |
| [13:53:51] | sigger: | ya, seen the knoppmyth box, but if it too is gonna have the underscan... also don't love its graphics/cpu/etc choices |
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| [13:54:43] | sigger: | page |
| [13:54:48] | qu0zl: | sigger, if you've a pal widescreen tv that underscan is fixed in the newer openchrome drivers too |
| [13:54:50] | slaine_: | lol, yeah, the knoppmyth gfx where the first thing I changed |
| [13:55:03] | sigger: | qu0zl: thanks but NTSC here |
| [13:55:18] | sigger: | gfx? |
| [13:55:19] | qu0zl: | hmm, what mode you using in your xorg config? that may be an easy fix so? |
| [13:55:25] | qu0zl: | 720x480NoScale? |
| [13:56:03] | qu0zl: | there's also 720x480Over which may overscan correctly for you. though it doesn't disable the onchip image processing that the noscale mode does so it may not look as nice to you |
| [13:56:04] | slaine_: | The driver was too old for those settings qu0zl |
| [13:56:08] | qu0zl: | ahh |
| [13:56:13] | slaine_: | That's why I dumped it |
| [13:56:42] | slaine_: | Didn't like a few things about it, so rather than get an updated driver, decided to go with a fresh install via dapper |
| [13:56:58] | null: | Ruleke: how? |
| [13:57:04] | sigger: | yeah I've been messing around with modelines, but it seems if I type the same data into different online calculators, I get different results! Tried a bunch and got nowhere. wanted 720x480 |
| [13:57:11] | null: | Ruleke: I don't see it in the list where I can select the xmltv source... |
| [13:57:19] | Ruleke: | null: easies is to put it in the place of an existing similar script |
| [13:57:27] | Ruleke: | it's a hack, but oh well :) |
| [13:57:29] | slaine_: | sigger, The driver ignores modelines |
| [13:57:32] | null: | I already thought of this, ok ;-) |
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| [13:57:43] | sigger: | slaine_: AAAAAUUUGHHH!!!! |
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| [13:57:47] | qu0zl: | heheh :) |
| [13:57:51] | Ruleke: | oopq |
| [13:57:54] | sigger: | m(_)m |
| [13:57:55] | Ruleke: | oops wrong button :) |
| [13:58:10] | Ruleke: | what happened ? :) |
| [13:58:15] | Ruleke: | did I just leave ? |
| [13:58:20] | sigger: | the fargin driver ignores it? |
| [13:58:26] | slaine_: | I can't remember why but the driver sets the modelines for you based on the resolution you choose |
| [13:58:27] | sigger: | Ruleke: no |
| [13:58:36] | Ruleke: | then what ? |
| [13:59:13] | Ruleke: | sigger: you were saying ? |
| [13:59:30] | sigger: | there were definitely some changes when i played with modelines. but it at 720x480 it always had a flashing nature to it |
| [13:59:42] | sigger: | Ruleke: you asked if you just left. I said no. |
| [14:00:55] | Ruleke: | then what happened ? |
| [14:01:21] | Ruleke: | I suppose I accidentally left the channel ? |
| [14:02:05] | gardengnome: | yeah you did |
| [14:02:23] | qu0zl: | sigger, there's a good openchrome mailing list. If you send the version string from your /var/log/xorg.log they may have an easy answer |
| [14:02:43] | qu0zl: | or not ;) |
| [14:04:43] | sigger: | k, thx. the big thing to me is for graphics card to do 1365x768 (tv's native res) and for DVI output. not finding an epia card with DVI out |
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| [14:05:44] | Ruleke: | null : there are some cotchas when just replacing the script btw :) |
| [14:06:23] | Ruleke: | sigger : there is a DVI daughterboard |
| [14:06:33] | Ruleke: | for boards with the right connector |
| [14:06:52] | sigger: | Ruleke: ah, cool. will check it out. thx |
| [14:07:00] | Ruleke: | ie almost all |
| [14:07:04] | Ruleke: | http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/mainboards/accessories.jsp |
| [14:07:11] | Ruleke: | they sell for 55 euros or so iirc |
| [14:07:23] | Ruleke: | there is a problem with the decoder though |
| [14:07:39] | Ruleke: | cle266 has a max size of 1024x1024 for HW decode iirc |
| [14:07:55] | Ruleke: | again, if I remember correctly... more info on openchrome maillist |
| [14:08:02] | Ruleke: | I think CN400 is better, not sure |
| [14:09:17] | sigger: | thanks Ruleke |
| [14:09:20] | Ruleke: | I'd like a native res for 1080i/1080p on a future tv btw |
| [14:09:46] | Ruleke: | all the HD channels on cable here are 1080i |
| [14:10:30] | sigger: | yeah. that's kinda been holding me up on the tv. I know that as soon as I get it, prices'll drop on the 1080p's and I'll have an expensive white elephant |
| [14:10:31] | Ruleke: | too bad the tv-out on the epia EN12000 doesn't work yet :( |
| [14:11:01] | sigger: | I'm bittersweetly comforted by the fact that my eyes just aren't that good |
| [14:11:08] | Ruleke: | true |
| [14:11:23] | Ruleke: | though I wouldn't like to scale it :/ |
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| [14:14:55] | gbee: | well who'd have thought? I complained to the Radiotimes about their dodgy data lately and I actually got a personal reply with an apology and explaination |
| [14:15:10] | stuarta: | wow |
| [14:15:35] | stuarta: | good excuse? |
| [14:16:30] | gbee: | database failing apparently |
| [14:17:18] | qu0zl: | that was nice of them, I'd have expected a brush off |
| [14:17:55] | gbee: | it was a pretty decent reply, even asked me to report the problem if I ever see it again |
| [14:18:43] | Kelerion: | it *is* a free services they give us |
| [14:19:07] | Kelerion: | so even more impressive they care enough to give personal replies |
| [14:19:13] | qu0zl: | yeah exactly |
| [14:19:37] | gbee: | considering the usual response, or lack of it that you usually get from any large company these days I was impressed |
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| [14:19:53] | gbee: | and as you say, even more so given that it's free |
| [14:19:58] | Ruleke: | hurray for politeness and taking pride in your work |
| [14:20:09] | Kelerion: | exactly.. too rare these days |
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| [14:28:52] | Juski: | ooo that was nice of them :) |
| [14:29:55] | ** Juski wonders how many UK users of xmltv there actually are... ** | |
| [14:30:16] | Kelerion: | yeah... would be interesting to find out |
| [14:31:09] | Juski: | maybe a mythtv census too :) |
| [14:31:37] | Kelerion: | it's called frappr :P |
| [14:31:53] | Juski: | oh so about 5 people then |
| [14:31:56] | gbee: | I'll have words with the Office of National Statistics about adding a mythtv question to the next national census ;) |
| [14:32:07] | Kelerion: | theres dozens on there in the UK.. lol |
| [14:32:19] | Juski: | dozens? literally? |
| [14:32:26] | Kelerion: | goes to check |
| [14:34:17] | gbee: | well literally – about 24 ;) |
| [14:34:32] | Kelerion: | see? 2 dozen = dozens.. lol |
| [14:34:52] | Kelerion: | I count 27 zoomed out |
| [14:34:52] | gbee: | :D |
| [14:35:42] | Juski: | knoppmyth has more |
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| [14:36:57] | gbee: | ok, that's my mythmusic bug fixed – can now use the search again :) |
| [14:37:24] | Juski: | eew god that CocaCola zero is minging |
| [14:38:03] | slaine_: | If I stick in a DVD with mpeg/avi files on it, how do I access it via the myth frontend ? |
| [14:38:14] | Juski: | you don't? |
| [14:38:24] | slaine_: | Media library points to the HDD for that and there doesn't.....ah |
| [14:38:31] | slaine_: | That's shite |
| [14:38:35] | Juski: | or you figure out automounting & make a symlink in your videos directory |
| [14:38:42] | Juski: | so fix it |
| [14:38:47] | slaine_: | That is something I'll have to remidy when I've time |
| [14:39:11] | Juski: | as I say to people at work.. mythtv doesn't cater for serial downloaders :-P |
| [14:39:13] | slaine_: | MythVideo being the correct module yes ? |
| [14:39:21] | slaine_: | hehe |
| [14:39:25] | Juski: | yes |
| [14:41:12] | null: | Anyone here using the tv_grab_ch_bluewin script? Is it normal that it takes an hour to fetch the data from one day? :p |
| [14:41:26] | gbee: | Juski: I don't use mythvideo, but are you sure about that? I thought all the hotplug/automount stuff was added for exactly that reason? |
| [14:41:37] | Juski: | gbee: maybe it is NOW |
| [14:41:42] | Juski: | not in 0.19 AFAIK |
| [14:42:02] | gbee: | ahh, yep .. I keep forgetting that everyone is running that old thing ;) |
| [14:44:04] | Juski: | so mythvideo will support removable media better in 0,20? great news for some then |
| [14:44:33] | Juski: | or is it more a case of 'import videos from DVD/CD' ? |
| [14:47:50] | slaine_: | Either would be fine |
| [14:50:13] | null: | Is there any status about the Summer Of Code features? |
| [14:50:31] | gbee: | Juski: better support for all removable media |
| [14:50:42] | GreyFoxx: | null: little of it will be in 0.20 if that's what you mean. |
| [14:50:55] | GreyFoxx: | Cept for some of the work done for mythweb |
| [14:51:35] | null: | GreyFoxx: no, I don't mean that.. But I would like to know which features have been finished... |
| [14:51:49] | GreyFoxx: | Honestly I don't think any of them were |
| [14:52:17] | GreyFoxx: | s/were/are |
| [14:52:50] | null: | hum :/ |
| [14:52:59] | GreyFoxx: | I agree |
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| [14:53:24] | null: | SoC finishs tomorrow, right? |
| [14:53:33] | gbee: | to the best of my knowledge nothing was finished, some didn't even get started whilst others will hang around to finish what they did manage |
| [14:53:35] | GreyFoxx: | I don't know for sure |
| [14:53:56] | Juski: | any work is usually better than none isn't it though? |
| [14:54:10] | gbee: | null: thought it was last week ... but maybe I'm getting confused |
| [14:54:32] | null: | gbee: I don't see anything on code.google.com/soc, so I don't know =) |
| [14:54:49] | gbee: | Juski: sure, it all benefits Myth – just not the whole concept of SoC which has fallen flat on it's face |
| [14:56:22] | gbee: | remembering that Isaac etc only selected ~10 applicants out of a hundred or more, and of those 10 only half even made an effort |
| [14:57:05] | gbee: | it means that the overall quality of applicants was poor :( |
| [14:57:16] | Juski: | the whole debate about why people contribute to a project (and which projects) is a contentious one anyway |
| [14:57:38] | GreyFoxx: | well in this case they chose to apply, AND were getting paid a salary for it |
| [14:57:56] | GreyFoxx: | so it's not just a free volunteer thing in that respect |
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| [15:02:32] | Juski: | very true. I think the whole SoC thing has come in for a lot of criticism, not just the Mythtv projects |
| [15:02:43] | GreyFoxx: | And it's too bad |
| [15:03:07] | GreyFoxx: | IT should have been open to anyone, not just students |
| [15:03:16] | GreyFoxx: | lots of hungry programmers out there :) |
| [15:04:23] | gbee: | aye, would have been better that way |
| [15:06:16] | GreyFoxx: | oh well, lessons learned |
| [15:06:23] | GreyFoxx: | I'm sure some of the work done will be useful |
| [15:07:16] | Juski: | I've heard there are sites where people put up bounties to have programming problems solved. maybe that's where some of the talent goes |
| [15:08:01] | GreyFoxx: | The new telnet interface was from abountie a company paid to have it added :) |
| [15:08:15] | Kelerion: | a company? |
| [15:08:18] | GreyFoxx: | Yup |
| [15:08:23] | Kelerion: | there many companies actually using myth? |
| [15:08:24] | Juski: | yeh the one good thing those spammers ever did |
| [15:08:25] | GreyFoxx: | They use myth in some home automation stuff |
| [15:08:30] | Juski: | plutohome |
| [15:08:34] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [15:08:35] | Kelerion: | oh. .those guys |
| [15:08:53] | Juski: | well they allegedly helped out with cx88-mpeg too |
| [15:09:04] | GreyFoxx: | Kelerion: I know lots of companies that use it, though they use it in internally, not for resale |
| [15:09:17] | Kelerion: | what do they use it for? |
| [15:09:41] | GreyFoxx: | Some recording all new channels allday long, and archive them |
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| [15:09:47] | GreyFoxx: | news channels I mean |
| [15:10:05] | GreyFoxx: | I know one using it as a cheap security cam system after I suggested it to him |
| [15:10:20] | Juski: | every now & again I see questions about folks wanting to use myth for hotels & corporate stuff |
| [15:10:22] | GreyFoxx: | and another that uses it in their gym to stream to several TV's reecorded stuff |
| [15:10:44] | Kelerion: | cool |
| [15:11:10] | GreyFoxx: | I've been asked to investigate using it in buildings with shared cable |
| [15:11:35] | Kelerion: | yeah.. have seen stuff on the mailing lists a while ago about stuff like that |
| [15:11:37] | Juski: | in the right conditions I'd say it's not far off being ready for Joe Bloggs |
| [15:11:41] | GreyFoxx: | Though there are a lot of gotchas hehe |
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| [15:12:26] | Aid`: | =] |
| [15:12:51] | Juski: | I still think folks would be taking too much on trying to sell Myth as a commercial product |
| [15:13:18] | Juski: | you'd have to cover all the bases w.r.t. system recovery & suchlike |
| [15:13:25] | Juski: | and upgrades |
| [15:14:02] | Kelerion: | in the uk people wouldn't pay for something like that.. they'd just go out and buy sky+ |
| [15:14:10] | GreyFoxx: | If I was gonna do that. It'd be running off a CF card, with a seperate partitions for the database, and so on, with the /usr and all readonly except for updates |
| [15:14:31] | GreyFoxx: | And regular sql backups to the drive with the content |
| [15:15:14] | Kelerion: | not to mention anyone you sold it to would also have to have a decent net connection.. not only for epg data but also for remote assistance |
| [15:15:49] | GreyFoxx: | The EPG stuff isn't that much data really, other than the very first download |
| [15:15:55] | Juski: | Kelerion: you have no idea how many people asked me where they could buy mythtv in the UK.. they baulk at the idea of $ky+ |
| [15:16:09] | Kelerion: | and if they used dvb for their data.. they'd still have to pay for a net connection whether they actually used it or not |
| [15:16:23] | GreyFoxx: | Why ? |
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| [15:16:35] | Kelerion: | so when they ring you up and say "this is broken" you can get in to fix it |
| [15:16:55] | GreyFoxx: | There is no requirement to provide online assistance |
| [15:17:10] | GreyFoxx: | and if you do offer it, then they need a net conenction |
| [15:17:17] | Juski: | there's a pc based graphics system called Kaleidovision I used to use in clubs... they just send out CDs to update their systems. boot up, cd autoboots.. does the upgrade/update... ding! |
| [15:17:46] | Juski: | once you reduce the number of unknowns it suddenly gets much easier |
| [15:18:03] | Kelerion: | yup.. like a fixed set of hardware |
| [15:18:14] | GreyFoxx: | If you sell myth thats the only way to do it |
| [15:18:17] | Juski: | exactly |
| [15:18:34] | GreyFoxx: | CF card for updates/storing the app, use the HD for data storage |
| [15:18:48] | GreyFoxx: | including a "reset to factory" script |
| [15:19:03] | GreyFoxx: | even take hourly settings snapshots so they can restore |
| [15:19:14] | Merlin83b: | I used to know a site for bidding on coding contracts but I've totally forgotten what it was called. |
| [15:19:18] | Merlin83b: | I think I'm registered on it. |
| [15:19:34] | Kelerion: | theres lots of freelancer related websites that do stuff like that |
| [15:19:36] | Juski: | arguably the most volatile thing about mythtv is the db |
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| [15:20:15] | GreyFoxx: | Juski: Yeah, and even then it's most due to Users setting up the base stuff on their own, and power outages corrupting tables (or impropper shutdowns) |
| [15:20:41] | Juski: | chances are you could quite easily come up with something that'd work better than even embedded products |
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| [15:20:44] | GreyFoxx: | Something like sqlite is ideal wofr that |
| [15:21:09] | Juski: | I saw my post-mortem of LRL started up a discussion about other DB methods the other day |
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| [15:24:31] | gbee: | Merlin83b: www.rentacoder.com was one I came across the other day |
| [15:25:16] | Merlin83b: | That's not it. It's entirely possible it's defunct now, this was many years ago. |
| [15:25:28] | GreyFoxx: | Juski: I started messing with sqllite the other day |
| [15:25:46] | GreyFoxx: | specifically I ported over all of the tables used in the scheduling query |
| [15:25:49] | Merlin83b: | Wasn't that the deemed to slow one? |
| [15:26:08] | GreyFoxx: | Yeah, but I was willing to see if I could figure out what was slow and work around it |
| [15:26:22] | GreyFoxx: | It failed on the big query with a "error near '.'" |
| [15:26:44] | Merlin83b: | Oh dear. |
| [15:26:45] | GreyFoxx: | hehe there are a TON of .'s in that query so I haven't taken the time to find out what it didn't like yet :) |
| [15:27:01] | Merlin83b: | I changed to Internal for mythvideo player last night. |
| [15:27:10] | GreyFoxx: | Cool |
| [15:27:12] | Merlin83b: | Yay for not having to start up mplayer and use MORE of the limited RAM :-) |
| [15:27:16] | Merlin83b: | Worked perfectly. |
| [15:27:36] | GreyFoxx: | I've been using internal almost exclusively since last summer |
| [15:27:49] | GreyFoxx: | except for a few occassions when it didn't support a codec |
| [15:27:50] | Ruleke: | almost ? |
| [15:27:53] | Ruleke: | ah |
| [15:28:02] | GreyFoxx: | I've had a couple of files that libavcodec didn't support |
| [15:28:33] | Merlin83b: | I didn't know it could be used until the topic came up here the other day |
| [15:28:39] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [15:28:55] | GreyFoxx: | I use it for DVD's now too. support is quite improved |
| [15:29:19] | Merlin83b: | My myth box doesn't have a DVD drive, or I'd try that out :-) |
| [15:29:22] | Kelerion: | same here.. I love being able to rip my dvd's to iso's and play them in the internal player |
| [15:29:33] | Kelerion: | there ya go.. don't need one :P |
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| [15:30:00] | GreyFoxx: | the internal player is now the default, at least in mythdvd |
| [15:30:23] | Kelerion: | seems sensible to me |
| [15:30:35] | GreyFoxx: | Only way to get bug reports is to get people to use it heh |
| [15:30:58] | Juski: | so anyway what's gonna be the big difference if myth moved over to sqlite? no nasty perms issues anymore? |
| [15:31:23] | stuarta: | Juski: the scheduler query kills performance |
| [15:31:23] | Juski: | GreyFoxx: so make internal the default ;-) |
| [15:31:28] | GreyFoxx: | no user permissions or setup at all |
| [15:31:38] | GreyFoxx: | Juski: it is now, so as of 0.20 it will be :) |
| [15:31:42] | Juski: | I can see the plus points of that ;) |
| [15:31:53] | Kelerion: | and the tables wouldn't be corrupted when a powerloss occurred? |
| [15:32:06] | GreyFoxx: | Juski: Plus it's a single file. Easy for backups and less chance of corruption as there is no inmemory cache |
| [15:32:08] | ** stuarta thinks up ways to test that ** | |
| [15:32:14] | Juski: | ahhh |
| [15:32:34] | GreyFoxx: | Well kill it midwrite it would still be bad, but it lessens the chance |
| [15:32:55] | stuarta: | until the BFSQ doesn't bring it to a crawl I can't see it happening.... |
| [15:33:09] | Juski: | the number of queries going on is quite startling actually. I'm not sayign it's a lot for what it does cos I'm not qualified.. but it's more than I might've expected |
| [15:33:34] | GreyFoxx: | stuarta: Yeah, thnat's why I started playing with it |
| [15:33:48] | GreyFoxx: | Wanted to see if I could do anything up speeding that up |
| [15:33:53] | stuarta: | GreyFoxx: how's it look? |
| [15:34:30] | GreyFoxx: | Well, after porting over the tables I got a syntax error about the query. And the error was so vague I'll have to go over the query to find out what it was. |
| [15:35:50] | GreyFoxx: | Someone suggested sending the query (once adjusted for sqlite) and an example db over to the main developer for it |
| [15:36:06] | GreyFoxx: | and he'd see if it could be improved or adjust sqlite to make that faster heh |
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| [15:36:30] | gbee: | I think he'd just cry |
| [15:36:35] | GreyFoxx: | hehe |
| [15:36:39] | GreyFoxx: | I've seen the query |
| [15:36:42] | GreyFoxx: | It makes me cry :) |
| [15:36:44] | gbee: | that query is a bitch |
| [15:36:47] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [15:37:03] | GreyFoxx: | and maybe refactoring that query might help |
| [15:37:33] | stuarta: | what's that mysql command to examine how long a query takes? |
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| [15:37:54] | GreyFoxx: | if you run it at the commandline it will tell you at the end of the output |
| [15:38:11] | GreyFoxx: | plus you can enable Slow-query logging to log anything greater than say 1 second to a file |
| [15:38:17] | stuarta: | there something you can prefix to the query and it disects if for you... |
| [15:38:22] | GreyFoxx: | explain |
| [15:38:27] | stuarta: | ah |
| [15:38:32] | GreyFoxx: | but that tells you what indexes and such |
| [15:38:44] | GreyFoxx: | so you can find where you can add indexing |
| [15:38:52] | GreyFoxx: | handy |
| [15:38:54] | gbee: | good for fine tuning |
| [15:39:20] | GreyFoxx: | the SQ takes 0.3 seconds on my machine, not nearly the problem some have complained about |
| [15:39:37] | GreyFoxx: | the mythweb query is the one that takes longest on my setup heh |
| [15:40:02] | Juski: | yeh but aren't the queries going to happen more on an 'on-demand' basis in future? |
| [15:40:40] | gbee: | in mythweb? that's what I understand |
| [15:41:30] | gbee: | the mythweb loading could be done faster if it didn't fetch all the info in one query |
| [15:41:44] | Juski: | my poor old backend gets some hammering when I load mythweb up |
| [15:42:06] | Juski: | 150+ channels |
| [15:42:13] | GreyFoxx: | one way to speed up the query is to empty your oldrecorded table heh. |
| [15:42:41] | Juski: | yeh well i could do with doing that. pity it's not done already. i think mine goes back to december last year |
| [15:42:44] | GreyFoxx: | xris made some changes a couple months ago that great speeded it up for me |
| [15:42:55] | GreyFoxx: | went from 29 seconds to 12 |
| [15:43:05] | GreyFoxx: | if I empty oldrecorded it's 2 or 3 |
| [15:43:13] | Juski: | kidding? wow |
| [15:43:32] | GreyFoxx: | yeah, it's the cross matching to show if you had already recorded a show that kills it in my tests |
| [15:43:36] | Juski: | so do you just truncate the table? |
| [15:43:49] | GreyFoxx: | The problem is that you loose your recording history |
| [15:44:00] | sphery: | Yeah, kills dupmatching |
| [15:44:00] | GreyFoxx: | so it might record stuff you had previously watched |
| [15:44:06] | gbee: | GreyFoxx: I had an idea about that, currently we markup previously recorded episodes at the point they are fetched for display – if we marked them up just once in the programs table we'd saved a lot of time and processing power |
| [15:44:06] | stuarta: | Juski: be warned, then nothing will know what you've recorded before.... |
| [15:44:20] | GreyFoxx: | gbee: Actually I have that 99% written |
| [15:44:20] | Juski: | arseburgers |
| [15:44:45] | stuarta: | not seen that show |
| [15:44:51] | gbee: | really? |
| [15:44:52] | GreyFoxx: | gbee: I added a -mark-recstatus to mythfilldatabase and it populates afield in the programs table |
| [15:45:08] | GreyFoxx: | plus updated the other code to update the field |
| [15:45:12] | Merlin83b: | GreyFoxx: Code up that last 1%! |
| [15:45:20] | stuarta: | now see we are putting more housekeeping into mythfilldatabase when the housekeeper should do it.... |
| [15:45:29] | sphery: | And xris is anxiously awaiting its inclusion into trunk to speed up MythWeb... |
| [15:45:37] | sphery: | He's mentioned it several times. :) |
| [15:45:41] | gbee: | heh, that's what I had in mind – would be an improvement and speed up day to day usage |
| [15:45:42] | GreyFoxx: | stuarta: That's why I didn't finish it |
| [15:45:49] | GreyFoxx: | I wanted to move it into the housekeeper |
| [15:46:03] | stuarta: | which is a whole project into itself.... |
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| [15:46:38] | gbee: | only thing about putting it into the housekeeper is the frequency at which it runs |
| [15:47:00] | sphery: | but could do it like the housekeeper does the running of mfdb... |
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| [15:47:15] | sphery: | perhaps even have the housekeeper do it only after running mfdb |
| [15:47:15] | gbee: | but otherwise that's something I'll actually look forward to in 0.21 |
| [15:47:21] | stuarta: | sphery: some of us don't run mfdb |
| [15:47:30] | GreyFoxx: | Just make it smart enough to run only after a mfdb OR 1 once per 24 hours |
| [15:47:33] | gbee: | we need to take EIT into account |
| [15:47:36] | stuarta: | there is no need (apart from it's cleanup housekeeping) |
| [15:47:37] | sphery: | Well, as of now, you should be (because of the cleanup it does) |
| [15:47:42] | sphery: | But in the future... |
| [15:47:51] | stuarta: | I get bored and do it once a week |
| [15:48:05] | sphery: | But, the same code that determines whether to run mfdb could be used to determine whether to run the match dups code. |
| [15:48:15] | GreyFoxx: | gbee: The update itself is pretty quick so it could be run once per hour and users would never know |
| [15:48:47] | sphery: | Guess that makes sense... It's currently being run before every display of MythWeb listings/search results/whatever (in another form) |
| [15:49:10] | gbee: | GreyFoxx: that's all I meant, that it would have to be run at that sort of frequency to keep up with changing program data |
| [15:50:16] | GreyFoxx: | Makes sense since it's a constant potential new stream of data |
| [15:50:27] | gbee: | last thing we want is the scheduler recording repeats because they were added to the db between runs :) – though I think the scheduler runs it's own duplicate checks |
| [15:50:48] | gbee: | unless you replaced those too |
| [15:51:07] | GreyFoxx: | Nope. I leave oldrecorded intact |
| [15:51:15] | GreyFoxx: | I just add an entry to the program table |
| [15:51:34] | GreyFoxx: | Could be used for the program guide display too |
| [15:51:40] | GreyFoxx: | show stuff you've already watched |
| [15:52:31] | sphery: | So, does it just bring the recstatus over to program, also? |
| [15:52:42] | GreyFoxx: | Honestly I just got distracted with other stuff, otherwise it would be done by down, wont take much to get it done after 0.20 is out |
| [15:52:43] | sphery: | Or is it only bringing over info about recstatus = -3 |
| [15:53:14] | GreyFoxx: | sphery: duplicates the recstatus field, even for non -3 |
| [15:53:18] | sphery: | cool |
| [15:53:20] | gbee: | yep, that's all we need for now at least, though if we re-run that new duplicate detection code after adding new EIT data and after mfilld then we could remove the part of the scheduler query which handles repeats |
| [15:53:29] | sphery: | More info (in an easy to manage approach) is good |
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| [15:53:53] | GreyFoxx: | Everywhere in the code that updates oldrecorded also updates the program.recstatus |
| [15:54:11] | GreyFoxx: | and the periodic check/run to fill in new data from a filldb or EIT update |
| [15:56:37] | GreyFoxx: | hrm, food time. My coworkers are hungry it seems |
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| [16:09:44] | ** gbee has sussed HPs cunning plan of providing the printer manual on CD so you'll use up the supplied toner cartridge printing it ** | |
| [16:10:04] | Merlin83b: | Heh |
| [16:11:11] | gbee: | not that I need to read the manual so badly that I will print all 100+ pages |
| [16:11:20] | stuarta: | you read manuals for hardware? |
| [16:11:38] | gbee: | like all good tech bods I didn't read the manual before getting it working ;) |
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| [16:12:49] | gbee: | but reading them afterwards is better than getting on with work :) |
| [16:14:23] | gbee: | they've an entire chapter on paper |
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| [16:18:59] | gbee: | ok, I've reached the "Optimizing print quality for media types" page and it's actually more boring than real work, so enough of that |
| [16:19:25] | Juski: | do they also have a section for what to do when linux prints stuff out in weird colours? |
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| [16:21:51] | gbee: | it's a b/w printer :) |
| [16:27:36] | SlicerDicer-: | anybody ever done mysql clustering with mythtv? |
| [16:27:44] | SlicerDicer-: | http://dev.mysql.com/tech-resources/articles/ . . . servers.html |
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| [16:56:47] | parjoha: | Evening |
| [16:57:00] | parjoha: | I'm having problems getting mythtv (0.19-fixes) to take input from my Hauppauge 150 remote control. I've compiled lirc from CVS, and irw is recognizing input without a problem, so I assume that I've set lirc up correctly. I've put lircrc in ~/.mythtv and compiled mythtv with lirc enabled. According to what I've read, with lirc enabled in myth I don't need to run irxevent, correct? Any input on this would be helpful. I've searched the forums/goo |
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| [17:11:39] | parjoha: | Does anyone have a working lircd.conf and lircrc for a Hauppauge 150 0.19-fixes that I could have a look at? |
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| [17:14:21] | parjoha: | I notice that when I run 'irw' or 'irexec' /var/log/syslog ouputs '[...] accepted new client on /dev/lircd' but when I start mythfrontend nothing is logged. Could that be a hint somehow? |
| [17:14:47] | c4t3l: | parjoha: I know this is a dumb question, but have you checked your perms on the lircrc file? |
| [17:16:16] | parjoha: | c4t3l: Not dumb at all! I'm happy just to get an answer :) |
| [17:16:37] | parjoha: | c4t3l: No, 'chmod 777 lircrc' did not help |
| [17:17:00] | parjoha: | At the moment I'm running everything as root, but just until I get everything running. |
| [17:18:22] | parjoha: | I'm wondering if this has anything to do with me running the latest 0.8.1-CVS version of lirc. I couldn't get 0.8.0 compiled, unfortunately |
| [17:18:36] | parjoha: | I might try getting it compiled.... |
| [17:23:32] | Kelerion: | if your getting input from irw.. your lirc is fine |
| [17:23:50] | Kelerion: | output from irw..even |
| [17:24:03] | Kelerion: | does the output match whats in your lircd.conf? |
| [17:24:14] | parjoha: | Kelerion: Yes, it matches |
| [17:24:24] | Kelerion: | so.. it must be a problem with lircrc |
| [17:24:29] | Kelerion: | post a copy of it to poastebin |
| [17:24:40] | parjoha: | Will do! |
| [17:25:35] | Kelerion: | and.. what *exactly* is the lircrc file called and where is it? |
| [17:26:24] | Kelerion: | because it *should* be ~/.lircrc |
| [17:26:25] | parjoha: | It's called ~/.mythtv/lircrc |
| [17:26:38] | parjoha: | oh, ~/.lircrc is a symlink to the above file |
| [17:26:38] | Kelerion: | oh.. one sec |
| [17:26:47] | Kelerion: | yup.. thats right |
| [17:27:12] | parjoha: | (now I've seem to have broken lirc, just a sec) |
| [17:27:19] | Kelerion: | kk |
| [17:29:34] | Kelerion: | just out of curiosity.. what dist is this? |
| [17:29:52] | parjoha: | Debian/testing |
| [17:29:58] | Kelerion: | kk |
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| [17:33:58] | parjoha: | http://pastebin.ca/156266 – my /etc/lirc/lircd.conf |
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| [17:37:52] | parjoha: | http://pastebin.ca/156274 – (part of) my lircrc |
| [17:37:58] | gbee: | parjoha: can you pastebin you lircrc file, just in case we can spot any obvious issues |
| [17:38:32] | gbee: | err, you just did ;) |
| [17:38:40] | parjoha: | gbee: :) |
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| [17:40:23] | gbee: | nothing wrong there that I can see – that's exhausted all my ideas |
| [17:40:30] | Kelerion: | yup..same here |
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| [17:40:36] | parjoha: | okay, thanks for trying! |
| [17:40:51] | parjoha: | I'll just hang back and try some more |
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| [17:41:30] | gbee: | lirc support is definately compiled in? i.e. configure shows "lirc support yes" |
| [17:42:02] | gardengnome: | mythfrontend --version should show using_lirc iirc |
| [17:42:15] | parjoha: | gbee: compiled in, yes |
| [17:42:47] | parjoha: | gardengnome: That shows, yes |
| [17:44:10] | parjoha: | Hm, when I 'irrecord' my power button shows as '0x17BD', not '0x00000000000017BD' as my lircd.conf says. Could this be the problem? |
| [17:45:38] | parjoha: | Same value, I guess, but a bunch of zeroes in between |
| [17:47:12] | gbee: | as you say it's exactly the same value |
| [17:47:21] | parjoha: | okay |
| [17:47:56] | parjoha: | Am I supposed to run 'irxevent' even though lirc support is compiled in? |
| [17:48:00] | xris: | !seen Beirdo |
| [17:48:00] | MythLogBot: | Beirdo was last seen 1 day 21 hours 23 minutes 31 seconds ago |
| [17:48:14] | xris: | hahaha... it doesn't see him in the channel |
| [17:48:57] | parjoha: | xris: The bot probably can't see him, try '!face Beirdo' :) |
| [17:49:25] | xris: | bot has a few bugs.. esp. if the db goes away, it stops logging |
| [17:49:31] | parjoha: | ouch |
| [17:50:26] | xris: | yeah. never got a response from him on that one |
| [17:51:32] | ** MythLogBot slaps Beirdo with a database trout on behalf of kormoc... ** | |
| [17:51:48] | ** MythLogBot slaps xris with a offical bug report trout on behalf of kormoc... ** | |
| [17:52:56] | gbee: | parjoha: no, no need for irxevent to be running, but lircd should be |
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| [17:54:15] | parjoha: | gbee: Okay, yes lircd is running |
| [17:55:39] | parjoha: | I'm having a bit of a lirc version chaos — the module lirc_i2c is 0.8.1-CVS but lircd is 0.8.0... |
| [17:55:53] | parjoha: | I don't know if this is causing problems, but 'irw' is working fine so |
| [17:58:23] | parjoha: | gbee: What remote and lirc version do you use, may I ask? |
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| [17:59:04] | gbee: | I use an old Xbox DVD remote and lircrcd 0.8.1-CVS |
| [17:59:16] | parjoha: | ok. |
| [17:59:49] | parjoha: | gbee: myth 0.19-fixes? |
| [17:59:57] | gbee: | SVN |
| [18:00:16] | parjoha: | ah |
| [18:00:41] | gbee: | my other box uses lircd 0.7.2 and an old Sky digital remote |
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| [18:01:00] | gbee: | both worked under 0.18, 0.19 and svn |
| [18:01:05] | parjoha: | cool |
| [18:01:31] | Rule: | hello all |
| [18:01:42] | parjoha: | I could try getting another remote, but it seems like the remote is working but the link between lirc and myth is not |
| [18:01:46] | parjoha: | Hello, Ryle |
| [18:01:50] | parjoha: | s/y/u/ |
| [18:02:02] | Rule: | tru ? |
| [18:02:19] | Rule: | ah |
| [18:02:19] | parjoha: | no, I meant to type 'Rule |
| [18:02:20] | parjoha: | ' |
| [18:02:28] | Rule: | hah even I read over that |
| [18:02:43] | Rule: | I got my CAM working again |
| [18:02:51] | Rule: | but I might be breaking it again now |
| [18:04:05] | gbee: | parjoha: I'd agree that the remote itself is fine, there might be some verbose arg you can pass to mfe which will give more information about the attempts to use lirc |
| [18:04:17] | gbee: | but if there are I don't know them off-hand |
| [18:04:48] | parjoha: | gbee: I'll try to find out. Can you compile myth with some extra debug flags, perhaps? |
| [18:05:32] | gbee: | you can, but they won't be relevant or helpful here – you could try running it with "-v all" though that will be very chatty |
| [18:06:33] | SlicerDicer-: | hey xris |
| [18:06:55] | SlicerDicer-: | I got bored and was thinking about the load times of mysql with the myth listings... so I am setting up a mysql cluster lol... |
| [18:07:41] | parjoha: | gbee: will try |
| [18:07:57] | xris: | SlicerDicer-: that won't help much |
| [18:08:05] | SlicerDicer-: | xris: ahh well its fun :) |
| [18:08:16] | sphery: | speaking of cleaning out old versions of libs... Did an old version of Myth install freemheg libs as libfreemheg instead of libmythfreemheg? |
| [18:08:49] | gbee: | sometime in 0.21 I'll add a lirc related message to startup so you can easily tell if it was able to connect to lircd |
| [18:09:34] | parjoha: | That would be cool and useful |
| [18:09:51] | sphery: | Yeah, the current (message only on success) is kind of backwards... lack of evidence and alll |
| [18:10:04] | sphery: | :) |
| [18:10:13] | parjoha: | I'm reluctant to put my box in the living room without the remote working :/ |
| [18:10:26] | parjoha: | very low WAF (?) |
| [18:11:40] | Rule: | hmm does mythtv add transports by itself ? I got a transport at 10758000 Hz (9999) (3104) |
| [18:12:08] | Rule: | I know I didn't add that one |
| [18:12:22] | SlicerDicer-: | xris: but it will offload the load of the mysql off my mythbackend and will create redundent ;-) |
| [18:12:31] | SlicerDicer-: | bit overkill but meh |
| [18:13:04] | gbee: | sphery: re the libs, yes it did |
| [18:13:19] | sphery: | thx |
| [18:13:26] | gardengnome: | sphery: umm, i think you already get a message if it can't connect to lircd |
| [18:13:52] | sphery: | I've been cleaning them out, but I missed that one (no "myth" in the name :) |
| [18:15:16] | gbee: | think there are a couple of others without myth, I was also clearing them out today |
| [18:15:36] | sphery: | gardengnome: Yeah, you're right. I guess it's no messages on success... |
| [18:15:43] | sphery: | Had that completely backwards. |
| [18:16:00] | sphery: | oh, no. Now I'm going to obsess about the old libs... |
| [18:16:17] | parjoha: | gardengnome: mfe procudes the error if it can't connect to lircd? |
| [18:16:26] | parjoha: | not the mbe, I mean |
| [18:16:37] | gardengnome: | yes. |
| [18:16:44] | parjoha: | ok. |
| [18:16:44] | sphery: | (Of course, I should be rebuilding from scratch my entire Myth system in 2 weeks...) |
| [18:17:20] | sphery: | Should see something about: lirc_init failed for ... |
| [18:17:34] | sphery: | Or Failed to read lirc config ... |
| [18:17:40] | Rule: | hmm, if I add this one transport, and then scan it with "scan existing transport", it changes it to a transport of different frequency etc |
| [18:17:45] | Rule: | anyone got an idea ? |
| [18:17:52] | parjoha: | sphery: gotcha |
| [18:17:56] | Rule: | running with -v siparser now... |
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| [18:19:28] | Rule: | it seems to get it from Transport descriptors |
| [18:19:37] | Rule: | but that is obviously bogus :-/ |
| [18:19:41] | sphery: | Hmmm. I must have cleaned out the other libs, already... All the ones I have left are libmyth* and ones I really do need... |
| [18:20:47] | Rule: | 2006-08–31 20:18:47.969 insert_dtv_multiplex(1, dvb, 10758000, qpsk...) |
| [18:20:47] | Rule: | 2006-08–31 20:18:47.988 insert_dtv_multiplex — update 11 |
| [18:20:47] | Rule: | 2006-08–31 20:18:47.998 Created 1 multiplexes from NIT |
| [18:20:49] | Rule: | gah |
| [18:21:02] | Rule: | It didn't do that in 0.19-fixes |
| [18:21:50] | Rule: | any siparser gurus about ? :) |
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| [18:22:03] | gbee: | Rule: DVB-T, S or C? |
| [18:22:08] | Rule: | dvb-c |
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| [18:22:41] | Rule: | It changes the transport on its own now |
| [18:23:09] | Rule: | correct values are 586000000/6875000/QAM256, but it changes to 10758000/22000000/QPSK |
| [18:23:33] | gbee: | ok, dvb-c isn't entirely working as intended yet, mostly because few of the devs have DVB-C |
| [18:23:45] | gbee: | open a ticket if there isn't one already |
| [18:24:01] | Rule: | oh |
| [18:24:13] | Rule: | could it be a problem in the actual NIT ? |
| [18:24:45] | bet123321: | my wintv died. I had to purchase a cheap noname card so I could continue to records my shows. It has a saa71340 chipset. I have the video working but I can not get audio. Can anyone help? |
| [18:24:48] | gbee: | possibly, and if that is the case then we'll need to put in network specific hacks |
| [18:24:51] | Rule: | nor sure if that is even possible in dvb-c land, to have invalid SDT.. |
| [18:25:19] | Rule: | isn't there a way to tell it to trust the frequencies the user puts in ? :) |
| [18:25:28] | bet123321: | Audio works in other tv programs |
| [18:25:28] | Rule: | is this meant to catch moved channels or ... ? |
| [18:26:44] | Ribs: | anyone here experienced with TV output on NVidia cards? |
| [18:26:57] | Rule: | gbee: I'll open a ticket I guess |
| [18:27:53] | gbee: | in working with DVB streams from around the world I know we've seen just about every possible DVB rule broken |
| [18:27:56] | Rule: | seems to be the only thing I can find buglet-wise :) |
| [18:28:04] | Rule: | gbee: ugh |
| [18:29:04] | gbee: | I'm not even sure, if it turns out the information in the NIT is incorrect, how cable boxes are supposed to work |
| [18:29:24] | Rule: | gbee: ticket #1866 has something similar... should I open a new one ? |
| [18:29:26] | gbee: | though it might be looking at a NITo instead of the NIT |
| [18:29:31] | Rule: | hmm |
| [18:29:39] | Rule: | does siparser output that ? 1 sec |
| [18:31:00] | Rule: | hmm the NIT contains 2 TSID's |
| [18:33:31] | gbee: | I'm not an expert on the current scanning code, stuarta and janneg have done all the work |
| [18:34:00] | Rule: | yes the one day I am on here and stuarta is quiet ;) |
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| [18:34:23] | gbee: | I was following things in the early days but I moved on to other things :) |
| [18:35:21] | bet123321: | Anyone know how to get audio in mythtv from a saa7134. It works with tvtime in fedora 5. |
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| [18:39:38] | gbee: | bet123321: v4lctl volume mute off |
| [18:40:06] | gbee: | bet123321: don't know if you've tried that, a quick google search threw up that as the solution |
| [18:41:13] | parjoha: | gbee: Can you try something for me? When you start 'mythfrontend', does /var/log/syslog say anything like 'accepted new client on /dev/lircd' ? |
| [18:41:30] | parjoha: | 'irw' and 'irxevent' produces that message, but not starting mythfrontend |
| [18:42:02] | gbee: | give me a min, have to ssh to the frontend |
| [18:42:06] | parjoha: | okay |
| [18:42:20] | bet123321: | I tried it but the audio stays on all of the time and it is not in sync with myth video. |
| [18:42:29] | gbee: | which is responding *very* slowly >:( |
| [18:43:22] | parjoha: | gbee: Recording Days of our lives takes a bit of computing, you know ^_^ |
| [18:43:37] | parjoha: | There must be thousands of episodes... |
| [18:43:39] | gbee: | I take it saa7134-alsa is loaded |
| [18:45:11] | bet123321: | I have tried it with and without. |
| [18:45:22] | bet123321: | Using the cable. |
| [18:45:42] | gbee: | parjoha: yes, it logs the connection from mythtv to lircd |
| [18:45:53] | Juski: | evening |
| [18:46:00] | parjoha: | gbee: ah. |
| [18:46:28] | parjoha: | gbee: Then my mfe does not connect with lirc, for some reason (I'm not getting any error message, though) |
| [18:46:43] | Juski: | I see on the -dev list someone has finally cottoned on to projectm. sheesh |
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| [18:47:45] | parjoha: | gbee: Is your /dev/lirc a device or a symlink to /dev/lirc0 ?= |
| [18:47:49] | parjoha: | s/=// |
| [18:48:07] | Juski: | parjoha: you can change the device lircd looks for you know |
| [18:48:37] | sphery: | xris: I love the new look for the never record/forget old on the details page. Much better than my hack. |
| [18:48:46] | sphery: | Oh, and the recstatus stuff works great, too. |
| [18:48:54] | sphery: | thx for getting them in. |
| [18:49:09] | gbee: | device on one machine, the other uses /dev/lirc0 without a symlink |
| [18:49:24] | parjoha: | Juski: /etc/lirc/hardware.conf, you mean? |
| [18:49:34] | Juski: | maybe |
| [18:49:36] | parjoha: | gbee: roger that |
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| [18:49:44] | Juski: | varies a lot between versions IIRC |
| [18:49:58] | parjoha: | Juski: I'll try fiddling with it some |
| [18:50:15] | Juski: | fgrep can be handy ;) |
| [18:50:43] | parjoha: | Juski: How? :) |
| [18:51:00] | Juski: | man fgrep |
| [18:53:45] | bet123321: | anyone else have any ideas? saa7134-alsa is loaded |
| [18:55:45] | Juski: | bet123321: it's obviously a config issue. if the card has onboard audio digitising, you'll have to configure myth to use that rather than the soundcard to record audio |
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| [18:56:26] | ** Juski is bored ** | |
| [18:56:49] | Rule: | aww |
| [18:56:56] | bet123321: | So I need to reconfigure myth with a asoundrc file to use alsa? |
| [18:58:44] | Juski: | bet123321: no. configure myth to use the tuner card's audio ADC |
| [18:59:24] | bet123321: | Using fedora would it be a /dev/dsp /dev/dsp1 or something else? How can I tell? |
| [18:59:35] | Juski: | I have no idea |
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| [18:59:59] | Rule: | aww |
| [19:00:04] | Juski: | why do you guys bother using software encoder cards anyway? just out of curiosity.... |
| [19:00:07] | Rule: | I was just going to type something |
| [19:00:16] | Rule: | I don't :) |
| [19:00:33] | Rule: | I'm not going back from DVB.. picture quality is ace |
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| [19:01:39] | Juski: | I'm just curious cos they're a PITA to set up & the picture quality sucks |
| [19:01:48] | blueonyx: | hi |
| [19:01:54] | Juski: | so what else is going for them other than they're cheap? |
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| [19:02:45] | null: | Does anyone have an idea why I just get noise on my screen? I used tv_grab_ch_bluewin for filling the EPG (which worked, except that there are no channel icons) but so far I have not seen any good frame... |
| [19:03:23] | Juski: | null – sounds like you've not set up the frequencies for your channels. boy do you have some fun ahead of you |
| [19:03:27] | Rule: | null: not much to do with xmltv :) |
| [19:03:36] | Rule: | yep |
| [19:03:44] | Rule: | you need to set the frequencies manually |
| [19:03:53] | Rule: | preferably with mythweb, bit easier |
| [19:04:04] | null: | hm frequencies in khz? |
| [19:04:14] | Juski: | nope |
| [19:04:19] | Rule: | I use symbolic myself |
| [19:04:22] | Juski: | channel numbers I think |
| [19:04:22] | null: | but? |
| [19:04:39] | Rule: | Juski: no, freq or symbolic number (SE19 etc) |
| [19:04:56] | Rule: | at least that's what I do |
| [19:05:01] | Rule: | or did before dvb :) |
| [19:05:03] | Juski: | oo didn't know you can put the frqs in too |
| [19:05:30] | Rule: | since some revision |
| [19:05:40] | Rule: | but I always forget if it's Hz or kHz or whatever |
| [19:05:51] | sphery: | Rule: you can you either channum or frequency in kHz |
| [19:06:01] | Rule: | so I use 'SE19', 'S7' and such fun |
| [19:06:13] | sphery: | If that's a valid channel number |
| [19:06:16] | sphery: | Don't use callsign |
| [19:06:17] | Rule: | yes |
| [19:06:26] | sphery: | where are you? |
| [19:06:32] | Rule: | it's in the europe-west map |
| [19:06:40] | Rule: | Belgium |
| [19:06:43] | null: | Do I need to re-run mythfilldatabase after this? |
| [19:06:52] | Rule: | normally not |
| [19:07:02] | Rule: | if the channels are already there |
| [19:07:03] | sphery: | Yep. That will work for you. |
| [19:07:11] | null: | Well, it doesn't work here... |
| [19:07:28] | null: | I entered the frequency in mythtv-setup, started mythfrontend and tried to watch that channel, but only noise... |
| [19:07:42] | Rule: | in kHz or ... ? |
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| [19:07:48] | null: | Rule: in kHz yes |
| [19:07:52] | Juski: | null – you might have to restart mythbackend or mythfrontend I dunno |
| [19:07:59] | null: | hmm I'll try |
| [19:08:04] | sphery: | When changing the frequencies, you have to restart mythbackend... |
| [19:08:20] | sphery: | Should change them when mbe is not running and change them through mythtv-setup's channel editor |
| [19:08:26] | null: | ok |
| [19:09:13] | null: | hmm, x11 forwarding over wlan sucks ;-) |
| [19:09:23] | Juski: | wlan sucks, end of... |
| [19:09:34] | Rule: | just change it in the DB or use mythweb |
| [19:09:38] | Rule: | much easier imho |
| [19:09:54] | Rule: | all this mandatory gui stuff is silly on headless :) |
| [19:09:58] | sphery: | MythWeb is definitely worthwhile |
| [19:10:19] | sphery: | But, the goal is to make it easy to configure while using a remote on a couch... |
| [19:10:28] | Rule: | yep that's good |
| [19:10:40] | Rule: | I don't mind running an ssh X forward |
| [19:10:48] | Juski: | yeh but doing your channel setup... the sort of thing you only need do _once_... pfft |
| [19:10:55] | Rule: | thank god |
| [19:11:07] | null: | well, it doesn't work... |
| [19:11:13] | null: | only noise |
| [19:11:20] | Rule: | because in the day you couldn't enter freauency iirc |
| [19:11:27] | null: | Tried with the Name "E05" and the frequency 175250 |
| [19:11:43] | Rule: | did you change to the channel ? |
| [19:11:43] | sphery: | E5 |
| [19:11:47] | sphery: | No zero |
| [19:11:58] | null: | Rule: well I think so. |
| [19:12:03] | null: | sphery: ok, *try |
| [19:12:17] | Rule: | hehe I used to have to look in the source to get the proper symbolic name... cable companies also mix the S.. and SE.. series |
| [19:12:35] | sphery: | Yeah, here in the US, we have numbers for channel numbers. :) |
| [19:12:44] | sphery: | Much easier. |
| [19:12:45] | null: | Rule: I have a list that should work, according to the mythwiki.de website |
| [19:12:48] | Rule: | channel numbers are sort of fixed where you are |
| [19:12:55] | Rule: | null: ok |
| [19:13:17] | Rule: | here there is no fixed convention for what goes on channel 1 etc... |
| [19:13:25] | Rule: | you just choose yourself |
| [19:13:39] | null: | still only noise :/ |
| [19:13:39] | Juski: | people in other parts of Europe need to start what I've been playing with |
| [19:13:51] | Rule: | which is ? |
| [19:14:05] | Rule: | null: what capture card is that ? |
| [19:14:09] | Juski: | put in your postcode, tv provider & package details... and voila! |
| [19:14:13] | Rule: | yeah |
| [19:14:14] | sphery: | That has benefits--over there, people actually understand the concept of remapping channel numbers, but here people think that if their cable company uses 8756 for channel 3, they have to leave it that way. |
| [19:14:21] | null: | Rule: WinTV PVR-500 MCE |
| [19:14:50] | Rule: | null: does the card work for sure ? if you just cat the device, do you get an mpeg out of it ? |
| [19:15:12] | Rule: | Juski: 100s of permutations in .be alone... |
| [19:15:27] | Rule: | Juski: not to mention people want their own private sequence of channels |
| [19:15:31] | Juski: | Rule: so? |
| [19:16:13] | Rule: | hell even on a tv, people don't "auto-scan' |
| [19:16:23] | Rule: | granny would never find her favourite channel |
| [19:16:27] | Juski: | how many providers are there? |
| [19:16:42] | Rule: | about 20 I think |
| [19:16:47] | Juski: | lordy |
| [19:16:57] | Rule: | but that's counting brussels |
| [19:17:12] | Rule: | about 5 big ones let's say |
| [19:17:19] | null: | hmm, well it seems like something's messed up... |
| [19:17:25] | Juski: | we only have about 5 in the UK |
| [19:17:29] | Rule: | problem is, per region the freqs and sequence changes |
| [19:17:42] | Juski: | how many regions though? |
| [19:17:47] | Rule: | hmm |
| [19:18:00] | Rule: | about 4 for my provider |
| [19:18:15] | Juski: | I'm on the tack that it'd just be really nice for users to say where they live & who they use & have it all done for them |
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| [19:18:22] | null: | the hell, the cable is unplugged :D |
| [19:18:39] | Juski: | !trout null coax |
| [19:18:39] | ** MythLogBot slaps null with a coax trout on behalf of Juski... ** | |
| [19:18:49] | null: | thank you |
| [19:19:02] | null: | I needed that ;-) |
| [19:19:20] | Rule: | Juski: agreed |
| [19:19:21] | Juski: | I had some recordings fail the other week... then I remembered I'd been routing around behind the machine.. whoops |
| [19:19:28] | Rule: | hehe |
| [19:20:12] | ** Rule has made a dvb initial-scan file for his region now ** | |
| [19:20:20] | Rule: | will submit to dvb-utils |
| [19:20:35] | Rule: | too bad you can't do a stepped search or so in myth |
| [19:20:35] | Juski: | actually – just thought of a nifty feature. the coax had only come out of one tuner, which happenned to be the one the shows were scheduled to record from... what if mythtv realised there was a tuner free & tried to use that when the other failed...? |
| [19:21:03] | Rule: | would it know it failed ? |
| [19:21:24] | Juski: | pretty easy to tell with DVB wouldn't you say? |
| [19:21:45] | Rule: | ah dvb |
| [19:21:57] | Rule: | yep |
| [19:22:08] | null: | hm, no sound... |
| [19:22:47] | Juski: | null: have you made sure the tuner card is in the right input and is selected to be recorded in alsamixer? |
| [19:23:01] | Juski: | and it's muted in the 'playback' section of the mixer? |
| [19:23:09] | null: | well, the cable was unplugged, someone seems to hate me here |
| [19:23:21] | Juski: | and that's it? |
| [19:23:34] | null: | jup |
| [19:23:35] | Rule: | haha second time ? |
| [19:23:49] | Rule: | sheesh, that trout wasn't big enough |
| [19:23:52] | Rule: | make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/mythtv-devel/mythplugins/mythbrowser/mythbrowser' |
| [19:23:53] | Rule: | make[2]: *** No rule to make target `../../../../local/include/mythtv/mythconfig.mak', needed by `Makefile'. Stop. |
| [19:23:56] | Rule: | hmmmm... |
| [19:24:20] | Rule: | "no rule"... noooo ;) |
| [19:24:34] | null: | Hm, can I improve the quality of the picture somehow? |
| [19:25:29] | Rule: | null: hehe |
| [19:25:37] | Juski: | fine tuning |
| [19:25:40] | Juski: | literally |
| [19:25:46] | Rule: | null: stop pulling out and bending the cable ? ;) |
| [19:26:01] | null: | lol ;-) |
| [19:26:20] | Rule: | I found that the routing of the cable is important... once it fell next to my PSU and pic quality was terrible :) |
| [19:26:26] | null: | Juski: if I remember correctly the pvr card has some features for the quality... ;-) |
| [19:26:29] | Juski: | if you're on too old a version of ivtv that might be the cause. the fix for samsung tuners is in the most recent ivtv |
| [19:26:34] | Rule: | also the cable itself was bad before that, replaced and it was perfect |
| [19:26:47] | Juski: | temporal DNR... ooo I just LOVE motion trails on my recordings |
| [19:27:10] | Rule: | even with the pvr cards I get a picture near that of dvb... just not quite if you watch it on an lcd |
| [19:27:46] | Juski: | lcd isn't ideal for TV anyway IMHO. looks really bad when it's not the native resolution of the content |
| [19:28:01] | Rule: | yep |
| [19:28:16] | Juski: | and the scalers they use in LCD TVs often leave a lot to be desired |
| [19:28:24] | Rule: | if it's a multiple it's fine too |
| [19:28:36] | Juski: | yeh well it would be wouldn't it? ;-) |
| [19:28:56] | Rule: | not entirely if the pixels get too big ;) |
| [19:29:23] | ** Juski looks forward to seeing 'death of a president' in October ** | |
| [19:29:43] | Rule: | you planning an assassination ? |
| [19:29:50] | Juski: | lol. |
| [19:30:02] | ** Juski waits for the black helicopters to swoop down ** | |
| [19:30:04] | Rule: | you realise the NSA is now logging mythtv-users, right ? |
| [19:30:25] | Rule: | lalala |
| [19:30:33] | Juski: | yeh well, since people who use Linux ARE hurting the US economy, after all... |
| [19:30:42] | Rule: | damn commies |
| [19:30:50] | Rule: | :-P |
| [19:31:13] | Rule: | I think I contribute hugely to the economy with linux tbh |
| [19:31:31] | Rule: | I get paid for it, and I spend that money... |
| [19:31:33] | Juski: | buying hardware & making boxen that actually do useful stuff you mean? |
| [19:31:55] | Rule: | that too |
| [19:32:37] | ** Rule can't wait to test mytharchive ** | |
| [19:32:51] | Rule: | I wonder how well it works as opposed to the old mythburn |
| [19:33:16] | Rule: | erm what is the 'mythcontrols' plugin ? |
| [19:33:21] | Juski: | keymap editor |
| [19:33:39] | Rule: | oh |
| [19:33:48] | Rule: | it doesn't compile either :-/ |
| [19:33:58] | Juski: | that's ok. just segfaults here |
| [19:34:10] | Juski: | never quite got the hang of using GDB |
| [19:35:03] | Juski: | jees. my wife recorded 'eastenders'.. 30 minute show... 1GB |
| [19:35:50] | Rule: | so ? that's peanuts |
| [19:36:00] | Rule: | that pron thing you recorded was 4 ;) |
| [19:36:25] | Juski: | pron? is that like a 'prom' ? ;-) |
| [19:38:00] | Rule: | it's filterevasion on a budget |
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| [19:40:13] | Rule: | hmm always the same error about that .mak file |
| [19:43:49] | Rule: | heh the Makefile does not get deleted on a make distclean... |
| [19:44:00] | Rule: | recreate the Makefile with qmake did the trick |
| [19:45:53] | Juski: | heh that'd do it |
| [19:46:03] | ** Juski cheers up a bit. Time Trumpet is on tonight ** | |
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| [19:48:00] | Rule: | oh yes |
| [19:48:03] | ** Rule shedules ** | |
| [19:48:13] | Rule: | I started from scratch.. all shedules gone too :) |
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| [19:52:20] | DanaG: | Any recommendations for USB2 tuners? |
| [19:52:37] | DanaG: | There's probably an FAQ about it... |
| [19:53:01] | jams: | the plextor convertX works |
| [19:53:09] | jams: | not for sure about the pvr2usb |
| [19:53:18] | Rule: | I think the hauppauge pvr2usb works too |
| [19:53:38] | Rule: | tho, the first question should be... dvb ? :) |
| [19:54:09] | DanaG: | Nope, I live in the USA. |
| [19:54:19] | DanaG: | Nowadays, I'm starting to believe that's not so great. |
| [19:54:32] | DanaG: | eeh, not just _starting_ |
| [19:54:57] | DanaG: | (stupid Cable Labs: no CableCard for youuuu!) |
| [19:56:05] | Juski: | so I can't shred files in linux if I use a journalled filesystem. thanks a bunch :-| |
| [19:56:30] | Juski: | well – I mean I could always wipe the whole partition, but that's not quite acceptable |
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| [20:00:20] | madfactor: | Hi. :) |
| [20:00:28] | Juski: | hey |
| [20:00:42] | madfactor: | ne1 here good with multiple backends? |
| [20:01:06] | Juski: | frontends yes, backends no |
| [20:01:17] | madfactor: | Hmmmm. |
| [20:01:29] | Juski: | what's the problem? |
| [20:01:32] | madfactor: | Can't configure one backend to capture, and another to transcode? |
| [20:01:47] | Juski: | no idea |
| [20:01:58] | madfactor: | Ahhh. OH K. :) |
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| [20:04:08] | Rule: | madfactor: yes |
| [20:06:48] | madfactor: | I figured as much... is there a good wiki to demonstrate this configuration? |
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| [20:09:52] | madfactor: | And load balancing too... lets say I have three linux servers, not including the mythtv masterbackend, which also captures... can I configure each server to take on comm and transcoding jobs? |
| [20:11:58] | SlicerDicer-: | xris: it helped alot |
| [20:12:09] | SlicerDicer-: | xris: 58 seconds vs 19 seconds :) |
| [20:12:10] | SlicerDicer-: | heh |
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| [20:13:50] | Rule: | madfactor: it's all set with the "allowed jobs" settings (in mythtv-setup iirc) |
| [20:13:52] | xris: | wow |
| [20:14:19] | Rule: | madfactor: also make sure you don't set the "run transcoding job on original backend" or something like that |
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| [20:14:25] | Rule: | sorry I don't remember it all exactly |
| [20:14:30] | Rule: | I must be getting old |
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| [20:15:42] | SlicerDicer-: | xris: yeah its pretty impressive I am going to try to speed it up further |
| [20:15:45] | Rule: | hmm all these options for recording and I need "record one showing of this title each day on this channel", which afaict does not exist :) |
| [20:15:48] | SlicerDicer-: | I have 3 computers running in a cluster haha |
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| [20:16:01] | madfactor: | Rule: But every backend much have a capture card? |
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| [20:16:06] | Rule: | madfactor: no |
| [20:16:09] | madfactor: | much=must |
| [20:16:11] | madfactor: | Hmmm. |
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| [20:16:15] | Rule: | does it ? |
| [20:16:20] | Rule: | have I missed something ? |
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| [20:17:01] | kormoc: | a backend doesn't require a catprue card, but it's rather useless without one |
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| [20:18:34] | Rule: | well it can do jobs |
| [20:18:41] | Rule: | liek transcode and commflag |
| [20:19:11] | madfactor: | Yeah... I only need the slave backends to process jobs, not capture. |
| [20:19:50] | madfactor: | To keep load down on the capture box, and help me more effectively get my transcoding jobs done. |
| [20:20:07] | madfactor: | I already have three linux servers running anyway. |
| [20:20:08] | Rule: | I disable the "allow jobs" thing for my capture box |
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| [20:21:33] | kormoc: | madfactor, doesn't jobs require the video to be local, so you'd need to unify their video data |
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| [20:23:05] | Rule: | nfs share |
| [20:23:34] | kormoc: | I wasn't saying that it's impossable, just something that would need to be done |
| [20:24:02] | madfactor: | Yes, would mounting /myth/tv path to a smb share back to the masterbackend /myth/tv be correct? |
| [20:24:10] | kormoc: | aye |
| [20:24:16] | Rule: | oh well you do that anyway with a multi-backend setup I think |
| [20:24:26] | Rule: | why smb though :) |
| [20:24:32] | kormoc: | Rule, most of the time, not |
| [20:24:42] | Rule: | really ? |
| [20:24:55] | kormoc: | Rule, if you don't, the master backend does know which backends have which shows and will set it up for the frontend to watch |
| [20:25:03] | madfactor: | smb shares used already, for xbox xbmc frontends and windoze media center playlists. |
| [20:25:11] | Rule: | ok, but not all have lots of disk space :) |
| [20:25:31] | kormoc: | heh, fair nuff :P |
| [20:25:37] | Rule: | good info though, but indeed breaks the jobs |
| [20:25:55] | madfactor: | Yeah... I think I am going to try it... |
| [20:26:16] | Rule: | in fact, most secondary backends here are just frontends that hold the old analog cards for conflict resolution if needed :) |
| [20:26:46] | Rule: | so that pci slot on the epia still comes in handy :) |
| [20:26:59] | madfactor: | So, if I have recording defaults automatically set to transcode, but have the master set not to do it, all I have to do is configure the slave, and launch it, the master will automatically push the job once the slave is connected? |
| [20:27:37] | Rule: | also you need to uncheck that jobs can only run on their original recording backend |
| [20:27:44] | Rule: | forget what the option is called :) |
| [20:28:05] | Rule: | I think it might be off by default anyway, can't remember |
| [20:28:19] | madfactor: | I think I already did that... but unchecking "allow transcoding jobs on this backend" in mythtv-setup, right? |
| [20:28:40] | Rule: | yeah |
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| [20:28:48] | Rule: | and commflag if you don't want that either |
| [20:29:00] | madfactor: | I am running commflag during record. |
| [20:29:07] | Rule: | ah ok |
| [20:29:18] | Rule: | I don't have cpu for that :) |
| [20:29:49] | madfactor: | my master-capture is only a Celeron 800, and it works fine for that. |
| [20:30:01] | Rule: | hmm if I upgrade to svn head... will it semove the old .so.0.19 files on install ? |
| [20:30:02] | madfactor: | But, I don't run a frontend on the same machine. |
| [20:30:20] | Rule: | heh backend here is actually 300Mhz :) |
| [20:30:38] | madfactor: | frontend uses alot of cpu when decoding mpg4. |
| [20:30:43] | Rule: | yep |
| [20:30:45] | madfactor: | So, my XBOXes do that. |
| [20:30:49] | Rule: | well not that much |
| [20:30:58] | madfactor: | On slow CPUs? |
| [20:31:00] | Rule: | does fine on 1Ghz Via |
| [20:31:12] | gardengnome: | Rule: no, i don't think so. |
| [20:31:19] | Rule: | oh yeah mean h264 ? |
| [20:32:05] | madfactor: | I never could get a ivtv capture card working on a via chipset anyway. |
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| [20:33:04] | Rule: | I thought you meant mpeg4 part 2 |
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| [20:33:24] | Rule: | madfactor: epias are different I guess.. always worked perfectly |
| [20:33:37] | Rule: | I heard about all the KT chipset stuff though |
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| [20:33:40] | Rule: | or what was it |
| [20:33:49] | madfactor: | thanks for your help guys! |
| [20:34:02] | Rule: | np |
| [20:34:42] | Rule: | actually I think he DID mean mpeg4 part 2 |
| [20:34:52] | Rule: | why would that take enormous amounts of cpu ? |
| [20:36:34] | Juski: | my pvr150 card along with 2 dvb tuners works just fine in my kt400 setup, so nnnyerrr |
| [20:36:44] | Rule: | ah |
| [20:36:49] | Rule: | kt133 or so was it ? |
| [20:36:52] | RaYmAn-Bx: | the whole via thing seems to be random at best |
| [20:36:57] | Juski: | worked fine in my kt133 too |
| [20:37:02] | Rule: | yes and slightly anecdotal |
| [20:37:12] | RaYmAn-Bx: | It seemed impossible to get my Hauppauge PVR-500 to work on an Epia Sp-13000.. |
| [20:37:14] | Rule: | hey that's good :) |
| [20:37:21] | Rule: | strange.. |
| [20:37:28] | Juski: | lol. no. "Via suxx0r", to hear the 31337-headz (sic) |
| [20:37:28] | RaYmAn-Bx: | worked perfectly on my Aopen board with intel chipset |
| [20:37:34] | Rule: | what is that ? cn400 ? |
| [20:37:41] | RaYmAn-Bx: | think so |
| [20:37:50] | RaYmAn-Bx: | sent it back and forgot about it =P |
| [20:37:54] | Rule: | hmm because of the bridge chip ? |
| [20:38:02] | RaYmAn-Bx: | might well be |
| [20:38:03] | Rule: | probably bios ? idunno |
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| [20:38:18] | RaYmAn-Bx: | pvr-500 is a tad more demanding than the other pvr cards |
| [20:38:18] | Rule: | nice thing about the epias is they are supported by linuxbios |
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| [20:38:33] | Rule: | I've run epias with 4 tuners... 2 pvr500s |
| [20:38:47] | Juski: | bad thing about linuxbios is... doesn't look like a great deal has been going on with it for years |
| [20:39:01] | Rule: | it's doing ok for things like that via stuff |
| [20:39:07] | Rule: | I agree the site is stale though |
| [20:39:25] | Juski: | what is it about sites like that? like the minimyth homepage |
| [20:39:35] | Juski: | you'd think they've stopped work or something |
| [20:40:03] | Rule: | maillist is pretty active :) |
| [20:40:05] | Juski: | when infact minimyth couldn't be very much more alive & well |
| [20:40:09] | Rule: | yep |
| [20:40:14] | Rule: | same with lots of projects |
| [20:41:17] | Juski: | fucking hell I feel so damn angry tonight & I dunno why. |
| [20:41:55] | Rule: | I've use the linuxbios flasher tool to write new bioses to my via boards |
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| [20:42:06] | Rule: | because via only provides windows/dos tools |
| [20:42:34] | Rule: | Juski: testosterone spike ? :) |
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| [20:42:45] | toma: | which key do i need to use to start the actual ripping? |
| [20:44:04] | Juski: | actual ripping of what? |
| [20:44:28] | Rule: | sounds dangerous ;) |
| [20:44:34] | toma: | ;-) |
| [20:44:35] | Juski: | or painful... |
| [20:44:38] | toma: | of a dvd |
| [20:44:54] | toma: | i've selected the track and want to start it now |
| [20:45:02] | Juski: | I always thought you did that just through the menus.. |
| [20:45:10] | toma: | but i can't find the right key '-) |
| [20:45:22] | jams: | 0 |
| [20:45:34] | madfactor: | rule: My load goes up 1.5 just by watching programs |
| [20:45:45] | Rule: | madfactor: mpeg4 part 2 ones ? |
| [20:45:50] | madfactor: | On the master. |
| [20:45:57] | Rule: | wow weird |
| [20:46:01] | madfactor: | Yeah. |
| [20:46:23] | madfactor: | mythtv works very great in a distributed environment. |
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| [20:46:27] | Rule: | though load is just the runqueue info :) |
| [20:46:36] | Rule: | does it use a lot of cpu ? |
| [20:47:05] | toma: | jams: allright, pressing 0 a couple of times starts it. I don't see the logic yes, but thanks. |
| [20:47:10] | Juski: | oh fuck. tonight is spam Juski night. I want an email client to delete all the mail from the server every thursday evening |
| [20:47:21] | toma: | yet* |
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| [20:49:47] | jams: | toma- did you notice the message at the bottome of the screen "0 to process current jobs" |
| [20:50:22] | Rule: | is the EIT scanner random in picking channels to scan for EIT data on ? or does it "know" which ones are still empty ? |
| [20:50:29] | ** Loto_ dances his crazy dance of retarded victory ** | |
| [20:50:36] | Rule: | (/me waiting for a newly added channel to have EPG data) |
| [20:50:44] | Rule: | Loto_: hurrah |
| [20:50:47] | Loto_: | lol |
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| [20:55:46] | Rule: | gnight all |
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| [20:56:31] | toma: | weeeeee, my first rip |
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| [21:01:35] | Juski: | sssshhh. the feds will hear |
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| [21:07:12] | SlicerDicer-: | xris: I got it nailed down to 10 seconds now :) |
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| [21:07:42] | SlicerDicer-: | works pretty nice I must say |
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| [21:17:29] | xris: | SlicerDicer-: query caching. :) |
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| [21:29:21] | papyromancer: | anyone know about video chat plugins for MythTV? |
| [21:29:44] | papyromancer: | dad's going deaf (for quite some time) but he can read lips |
| [21:30:05] | splAt1 is now known as splat1 | |
| [21:30:36] | papyromancer: | since he's not at all computer savvy, I was thinking a myth tv solution mght be the best course of action |
| [21:30:51] | papyromancer: | (he's very TV savvy |
| [21:30:54] | papyromancer: | ) |
| [21:31:49] | gardengnome: | you could try mythphone |
| [21:32:15] | gardengnome: | but i'm not sure if the picture will be large enough to allow for lip-reading |
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| [21:36:32] | madfactor: | it is normal for gspot not to be able to detect mythtv .nuv transcodes as nuppelvideo files? |
| [21:36:42] | madfactor: | Or do I have something set funky? |
| [21:37:39] | papyromancer: | gardengnome: that looks great! thanks |
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| [21:58:05] | cornel1: | Excuse me... new to mythTV. Knoppmyth, actually. I installed it in a machine with no capture card, and no tv hookup yet. I'd assumed that I could at least watch DVD's on the monitor. |
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| [21:58:27] | cornel1: | I seem to still be going through the install and setup. |
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| [21:59:18] | cornel1: | First question is, shall I just continue with this and re-accomplish it when I've got the equipment setup? |
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| [22:03:21] | sigger: | cornel1: should be able to watch dvds |
| [22:04:11] | cornel1: | So just continue, untill the setup is over, and then I'll be in a fairly normal environment for DVD watching. |
| [22:04:56] | cornel1: | sigger, I'd encountered a comment that it doesn't read encrypted DVD's, does that mean that some of my commercial DVD's won't be useble? |
| [22:05:34] | sigger: | dunno what "normal" is but myth will run and you should be able to watch dvds, etc |
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| [22:05:55] | sigger: | errr, search on knoppmyth |
| [22:06:23] | Loto_: | does the knoppmyth distro have better support for sata drives yet? |
| [22:06:25] | cornel1: | Well, like a kde or gnome type desktop |
| [22:07:12] | sigger: | then yes, myth running on some desktop. forget whcih |
| [22:07:31] | sigger: | dunno about sata issues. what was the prob? |
| [22:07:55] | Loto_: | last time i looked at knoppmyth it has no support for sata hdds |
| [22:08:42] | sigger: | hmm, i'd better check that out. putting together a KM system. planning on sata drives. |
| [22:08:57] | Loto_: | this was about a year or so ago |
| [22:09:06] | Loto_: | just curious if someone knew |
| [22:11:28] | jams: | yes it does |
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| [22:11:34] | jams: | it has sata support |
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| [22:23:11] | SlicerDicer-: | kormoc: you around? |
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| [22:53:52] | pushpop`: | http://www.killernic.com/KillerNic/KillerOverview.aspx |
| [22:53:58] | pushpop`: | 279 for a network card ha |
| [22:55:56] | scopeuk: | yeh its retarded |
| [22:56:07] | scopeuk: | it got slashdotted about a month ago and they tore it to shreads |
| [22:56:23] | scopeuk: | its has a usb prot ffs |
| [22:56:35] | pushpop`: | lol straight stupid |
| [22:56:45] | pushpop`: | Powered by Lag and Latency Reduction (LLR) Technology: |
| [22:56:47] | pushpop`: | ha |
| [22:57:05] | scopeuk: | yerh latency being due to the speed of light which afaik isent changed by a small piece of silicon |
| [22:57:22] | pushpop`: | agreed |
| [22:58:40] | scopeuk: | can lag beign a side effect of latency i cant see how it can help there eitehr |
| [22:59:11] | pushpop`: | latency is your route to the server |
| [22:59:26] | scopeuk: | spose it could reduce cpu load slightly depending on the implimentation but the same amount of cash blow on a gfx or gfx + sound card bundle whould do much more |
| [22:59:31] | pushpop`: | packet loss and latency is what causes lag |
| [22:59:40] | scopeuk: | yeh |
| [22:59:55] | scopeuk: | both goverened by factors over which that piece of silicone can do nothing about |
| [23:00:13] | pushpop`: | I guess they are targeting rich kids that game or something |
| [23:00:20] | pushpop`: | only ones who I could see buying that |
| [23:00:21] | scopeuk: | unless it uses a sub space link to get messages ftl to other systems ;-) |
| [23:01:03] | scopeuk: | aaparrently if you are pusshing a gig pipe hard (not gonan happen in domestic) eg high cap database servers etc havign a card that does encaptsulation etc can help alot on throughput |
| [23:01:12] | scopeuk: | but those cards are normally 1k plus |
| [23:01:36] | pushpop`: | Well I could see that |
| [23:01:50] | scopeuk: | but its not how there targeting it |
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| [23:02:19] | pushpop`: | "The Only network card for online gamers" |
| [23:02:35] | scopeuk: | * with too much money and not enoug hsense |
| [23:02:46] | pushpop`: | haha |
| [23:04:14] | scopeuk: | oh and it has trafic shapping |
| [23:05:40] | scopeuk: | ypou looked at the "science" bit |
| [23:05:51] | pushpop`: | ya I read it |
| [23:06:10] | pushpop`: | the card was advertised in the Magazine Maximum PC that I get monthly |
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| [23:06:15] | pushpop`: | I lauged when I saw the add |
| [23:07:12] | scopeuk: | who whouldent</sarcasm> |
| [23:07:21] | pushpop`: | well my local CompUSA has a nvidia PCI express card for 44.99 i'm gonna go pick it up now. So I can take this ATI card out =P |
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| [23:07:48] | pushpop`: | since HD lags like a bitch when I play it |
| [23:07:49] | pushpop`: | haha |
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| [23:19:22] | SlicerDicer-: | xris: I just had my little scripty run and it was beautiful on boot :) |
| [23:21:47] | SlicerDicer-: | I hope datadirect does not get mad at me today for running mythfilldatabase several times :/ |
| [23:24:21] | SlicerDicer-: | Cardoe: you here? |
| [23:24:53] | Cardoe: | yes |
| [23:25:05] | Cardoe: | what script> |
| [23:25:07] | SlicerDicer-: | what would be the chances of me being able to get your svn ebuild ;-) |
| [23:25:35] | SlicerDicer-: | or ebuilds :) |
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| [23:31:37] | Cardoe: | I have svn ebuilds? |
| [23:33:27] | SlicerDicer-: | Cardoe: I thought you had ebuilds for building SVN |
| [23:33:29] | SlicerDicer-: | maybe not |
| [23:33:35] | SlicerDicer-: | xris: said that you did :/ |
| [23:33:55] | Anduin: | SlicerDicer-: Unless you are changing your lineups, you can grab the listings once manually and just pass the right params to mfdb to have it read from a file. |
| [23:34:04] | madfactor: | ne1 here familiar with xebian frontend on xbox for mythtv? |
| [23:34:08] | SlicerDicer-: | Anduin: I was chaning lineups |
| [23:34:16] | Cardoe: | SlicerDicer: not I |
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| [23:34:22] | SlicerDicer-: | Cardoe: drat |
| [23:34:23] | Cardoe: | I make svn snapshots |
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| [23:34:29] | Cardoe: | gonna make some more soon |
| [23:34:32] | SlicerDicer-: | Cardoe: snapshots? |
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| [23:35:44] | Cardoe: | svn co && tar -cjf mythtv-SVN.tar.bz2 |
| [23:36:50] | SlicerDicer-: | ahh |
| [23:37:12] | SlicerDicer-: | then you use that with ebuilds? |
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| [23:40:49] | fer2: | hello |
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