Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, August 29th, 2006, 00:01 UTC

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: you here?

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xris:

yup

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SlicerDicer-:

I saw your firewire problem on the svn... that had to suck :/

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SlicerDicer-:

having tons of empty recordings heh

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xris:

yeah

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SlicerDicer-:

was your backend slugged to hell when you tried to remove them?

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xris:

no

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xris:

0 bytes

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SlicerDicer-:

when mine does that the backend has a heartattack

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SlicerDicer-:

hehe

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xris:

nope, no issues

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cesman:

anyone else having issue w/ lossless mpeg2 transcoding?

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cesman:

if I ./configure and compile, it works fine

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cesman:

if I ./configure --arch=i586, it doesn't

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cesman:

looking at the logs, it just errors

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cesman:

running mythtransxode segfaults

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cesman:

looking at the archives, trac, etc provides no real answers

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** cesman ponders what to do for dinner **

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Juski:

hope it holds :)

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** scopeuk hands Juski a stapler for reinforcement **

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Juski:

heheh

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Juski:

so much for the sleep plan. duh

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Juski:

looking for a freebie web host now

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scopeuk:

dont plan to sleap sleap to plan

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scopeuk:

good luck

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scopeuk:

there are loads but not many with ay of the features youed want

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scopeuk:

like say subtle advertising r php

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Juski:

not even after ftp really.. even 20MB would do fine

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fysa:

you have a domain?

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Juski:

odd banner doesn't hurt either

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Juski:

erm.. I have a domain but I want to keep this one seperate

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Juski:

it's not for me

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fysa:

would you mind juski.colonpee.com? :P

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Juski:

lol

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fysa:

":P"

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fysa:

juski.digitalsanity.com may work also. :P

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fysa:

even though www.colonpee.com is not bad. :P

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Juski:

like I said it's for somebody else so I don't need 'Juski' to be in the domain name

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fysa:

oh, then tell me what you want.. I'll throw one up really quick.

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fysa:

hurry though, I have to go eat dinner.

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Juski:

?

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scopeuk:

name for domain

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fysa:

I can add an account for you.. :P

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fysa:

on my server.. :P

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fysa:

whatever.digitalsanity.com, whatever.colonpee.com, or whatever.com

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Juski:

hmm how can I put this delicately....

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fysa:

if they have whatever.com. :P

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Juski:

it has to be a bit hush-hush...

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Juski:

can't be yahoo or whatever cos last time they had a website on their pages they got a whole lot of unwanted attention from idiots

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Juski:

tripod runs out of bandwidth too soon... god why do I get the crappy jobs?

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scopeuk:

Juski the joys of having more technicaly knolage than oe 6 pack

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Juski:

heh maybe

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scopeuk:

apparently it also grants you pshykick powers becouse every one that ever shouted up for help assumes i can see there screen fromwhereever i am standing be it inthe same room or mornormaly outside or 20 – 30 miles away on the phone

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Juski:

woo found one

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Juski:

ftp upload, 501megs.com

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Juski:

hrm like the "help mythtv broked"

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scopeuk:

thats the idea

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scopeuk:

except usually far less specific

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scopeuk:

"wahts wrong with this"

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scopeuk:

why is it doign that

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scopeuk:

exact workds not me playign here

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Zider:

"it broke, you suck"

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Zider:

;)

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wduembeg:

whooohooo, to who ever is doing HDTV, I have no fix most of my issues with 1080i content, it was the playback configuration, turn OFF OpenGL sync, and use video as time base. Now everything plays smoothly and AC3 pass trough works too, id didn't work before :O :) ;)

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wduembeg:

I have now fix... sorry for the typo

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wduembeg:

quit

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bocaJ:

does anyone have experience with USB TV capture devices?

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Agrajag-:

bocaJ: a little

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bocaJ:

agrajag – do you have any recomendation on which device I should get, I saw that the Plextor one is somewhat supported, but I also noticed the WinTV had some drivers, and was cheaper

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Agrajag-:

i only have experience with dvb usb devices, i dont know about analogue ones

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sigger_:

sorry one last thing, fysa: how long ago did you get it and have the issues you mentioned?

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sigger_:

oops sorry, meant to hit enter on this:

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sigger_:

anyone know if I change .lircrc while mythtv FE is running, do I have to "/etc/init.d/lircd restart" to have the changes take effect?

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evilDagmar:

Try it and find out

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sigger_:

I did take that first step and its not really working either way.

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sigger_:

trying to figure out if it should be working

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bocaJ:

another question – what graphics card would people recomend? I already have an Athlon64 3500+ and 1gig of DDR 400 memory. I am planning on buying a pcHDTV 5500 card, and I have heard that for encoding HDTV, I may need a graphics card with onboard encoding. Thoughts?

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cesman:

any based on the Geforce 5200 or above

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bocaJ:

why that card in particular?

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Zider:

don't you mean onboard DEcoding?

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cesman:

simply put getting an nvidia vased card is the easiest way to go....

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bakkkk:

hey, does anyone know of a ubuntu respitory that has mythtv .19 with firewire capture built on it?

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Steak:

http://nov.4chan.org/gif/src/1156742026709.gif

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evilDagmar:

ljacob: That's pretty irrelevant to the question.

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pushpop-:

I seem to be having a problem. When I got to record a specific channel... say channel "36" it will record a totally diffrent channel then I specified?

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pushpop-:

any Idea's?

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Anduin:

pushpop-: Check you channel table (channum and freqid)

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Tronic:

I am trying to move from all-on-one-machine setup to a system with separate backend server and frontend clients.

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Tronic:

Currently watching entries in media library work fine, but watching livetv does not.

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Tronic:

http://rafb.net/paste/results/B4VaDT34.html

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Tronic:

That is what it says on the client side.

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pushpop-:

Where would I find that Anduin?

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Anduin:

pushpop-: mysql

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Tronic:

I also cannot schedule recordings. It is complaining about incompatible charsets (Latin-1 and UTF-8). Is it possible to make it use UTF-8 all the way?

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pushpop-:

I really wouldnt even know how to do that, damn.

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Tronic:

(apparently the database is setup to use Latin-1)

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Anduin:

Tronic: Did you run mythtv-setup on the frontend?

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Anduin:

Tronic: It is, forced.

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Tronic:

Anduin: Yes.

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Anduin:

Tronic: So this is the same backend as before when it was all on one machine?

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Tronic:

I basically transferred the backend from the current client machine to the current backend machine by copying the database and the recordings.

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Tronic:

(changing hostname inside the db in the process)

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Tronic:

This is so, because the server is headless and it is difficult to configure things on it.

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Anduin:

Tronic: The hostname is in cardinput as well, did you change it there?

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Tronic:

I use sed on the SQL dump to change the hostname.

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Tronic:

There were a lot of instances of it.

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Ediehow:

anyone using fedora and ati?

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Ediehow:

some upgrade made it to where I can't watch video on my 2nd monitor anymore

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Ediehow:

mythtv, mplayer, totem

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Tronic:

On the client I ran mythtv-setup and changed the master backend IP, nothing else.

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Ediehow:

I get regular display fine

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gremgrem:

I just installed mythvideo on my gentoo linux box, but I don't know where to put the video files so they'll show up in the video library. Anyone know off the top of their head?

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Anduin:

Tronic: I'd still check the cardinput table and make sure it was associated with the backend box.

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Anduin:

gremgrem: You can change it in the setup (you can also see what it is set to)

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gremgrem:

Anduin, So i just kill my front end and run myth-setup again?

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GreyFoxx:

no, in the frontends settings menus

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gremgrem:

oh... ok

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gremgrem:

I guess I missed it the other day

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gremgrem:

*sigh*

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gremgrem:

I'll run downstairs and look ... thx :P

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GreyFoxx:

Though, if you haven't restarted the frontend app since you installed the plugins you might not see it

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gremgrem:

Ok... I'll try that

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Ediehow:

GreyFoxx: do you have any ideas for me?

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GreyFoxx:

Ediehow: I haven't even seen what you are asking about :)

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Ediehow:

GreyFoxx: i think it's tied to a recent yum upgrade on my fc5 machine

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GreyFoxx:

But no, I don't use ati, nor fedora

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Ediehow:

some upgrade made it to where I can't watch video on my 2nd monitor anymore

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Ediehow:

mythtv, mplayer, totem

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Ediehow:

if i try to play them on 2nd monitor, the display is black where the video should be

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GreyFoxx:

My only suggestion would be to check your Xconfig file, see if it'sbeen changed

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Ediehow:

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.6K Aug 12 15:12 xorg.conf

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Ediehow:

that means last modified, right?

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Anduin:

overlay problem?

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Ediehow:

Anduin: possibly, how do i check?

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Anduin:

Ediehow: No clue

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Anduin:

Ediehow: I'd check that your driver is the one you think it is.

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Ediehow:

Driver "fglrx"

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Ediehow:

drm works

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Ediehow:

from glxinfo

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Anduin:

Ediehow: Which version?

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Ediehow:

of what

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Ediehow:

xorg-x11-drv-fglrx-devel-8.28.8–1.lvn5

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Ediehow:

xorg-x11-drv-fglrx-8.28.8–1.lvn5

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Ediehow:

i wonder if that's the problem

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Ediehow:

i wonder if it upgraded that when i swtiched to livna

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Ediehow:

err added livna

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Tronic:

Anduin: Cardinput table where?

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Tronic:

On the server or on the client?

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Tronic:

(is the client SQL database even used, anyway?)

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Anduin:

Tronic: The server (though clients should share the same sql server as their server)

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Tronic:

(apparently yes – the frontend wouldn't start after I shut it down)

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Tronic:

Hmm.. That might be a problem.

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Tronic:

My client is using its local MySQL.

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Anduin:

Tronic: Yeah, that will probably break more things than I have fingers to count with.

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Beirdo:

ahhh... the joys of rdesktop... don't need to walk my sorry ass to the office to use the Winblows box

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Ediehow:

i sure wish i knew what happened

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Ediehow:

it's bizarre, if i watch video on screen one now, and move my mouse toward screen to, it moves the video off the screen of screen one

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Ediehow:

to=two

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Ediehow:

uhh

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Ediehow:

ok, it works in KDE, it's just gnome

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Ediehow:

ah

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Ediehow:

gnome-power-manager has to be running

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Ediehow:

that's bizarre

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scott_:

man, can't record prison break for some reason? using hd3000, I can record any other show in HD OTA... is it using some weird codec or something that the card/mythtv doesn't like with dvb or something?

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adante:

scott_: how does it not record?

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scott_:

0 bytes, just can't record... claims it starts to but isn't able to

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scott_:

I can easily change to CBS-HD and record and it's fine and every other channel

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adante:

hm, usually find that's a reception problem for me

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adante:

(not saying it is for you, and what you describe suggests it isn't)

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scott_:

i'm not positive on the quality, I just know fox does some weird things with HD like 720dpi not sure what else

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scott_:

the link quality that is, I'm almost certain it's above 80% always though between 80–88% last I checked

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WAR_CH|LD:

does anyone use mythdvd?

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Anduin:

WAR_CH|LD: maybe

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WAR_CH|LD:

i've ripped the same dvd, as perfect and iso

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WAR_CH|LD:

when I try to watch the rips, I get the following in the frontend log

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WAR_CH|LD:

FATAL: Could not initialize video filters (-vf) or video output (-vo).

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Anduin:

WAR_CH|LD: This is back with your home-built mplayer?

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WAR_CH|LD:

yeah

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WAR_CH|LD:

why, whats wrong wiht mplayer?

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WAR_CH|LD:

it plays the dvd's fine

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Anduin:

WAR_CH|LD: Also, how did you change the default play string?

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WAR_CH|LD:

I didn't

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Anduin:

WAR_CH|LD: What is your play command?

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Anduin:

WAR_CH|LD: can you mplayer -zoom -vo xv myfile.ext?

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WAR_CH|LD:

mplayer -fs -zoom -quiet -vo xc %s

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WAR_CH|LD:

is the default player settings

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Anduin:

-vo xv right?

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WAR_CH|LD:

sorry, yeah. -vo xv

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Anduin:

WAR_CH|LD: run it on a term with %s replaced with the .vob

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WAR_CH|LD:

http://pastebin.ca/152758

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WAR_CH|LD:

is the result

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WAR_CH|LD:

giving me an error about encrypted vob file

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Anduin:

WAR_CH|LD: I'd suggest doing what it says.

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WAR_CH|LD:

reading that doc?

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WAR_CH|LD:

yeah, it's a plan

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WAR_CH|LD:

:)

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WAR_CH|LD:

it's fnyn right, because I just put the dvd in there again

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WAR_CH|LD:

and now it wont even play

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WAR_CH|LD:

libdvdread: Invalid IFO for VMGM (VIDEO_TS.IFO).

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WAR_CH|LD:

Can't open VMG info!

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WAR_CH|LD:

is it's error

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WAR_CH|LD:

google says "set the regions" but I did that and that doesn't work

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WAR_CH|LD:

i'll have ot read that doc later, I dont ahe tiem now

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WAR_CH|LD:

thanks anyway

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PoeticIntensity:

Hi all.... Is anyone out there successfully using the PCHDTV 5500 card?

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PoeticIntensity:

I'm having difficulty deciphering whether I should be using the v4l drivers or the dvb drivers.

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PoeticIntensity:

I'm using gentoo w/ kernel 2.6.17-r4

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PoeticIntensity:

I've been using a PVR-250 now without trouble for over a year...

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PoeticIntensity:

I thought it was time to upgrade to HD, and am finding it a bit more troublesome.

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PoeticIntensity:

Basically, I'm a total n00b when it comes to HD.

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PoeticIntensity:

Any advice would be helpful.

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catisonh:

anyone know how to configure the length of the SKIP function?

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catisonh:

I think it used to be under SETTINGS > TV > PLAYBACK, but its not there anymore...

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Anduin:

catisonh: playback groups now

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simcop2387:

thats new, when using the internal player in mythfrontend to play an avi, i hit X i think and it told me to try again

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masterc:

Anyone tried compiling myththemes from SVN lately?

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masterc:

I downloaded (and redownloaded) from SVN the myththemes and when I run ./configure

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masterc:

I get:

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masterc:

Project ERROR: Please run ./configure

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masterc:

nm

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masterc:

I'm a moron

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masterc:

I have struggled with this for hours literally. Decided to hop on here, and after 5 seconds and typing my question I realize my mistake...

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masterc:

--prefix=/usr

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masterc:

Thanks for listening

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masterc:

Sleep tight

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Ruleke:

argh how nice

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Ruleke:

my defect has been flagged 0.21 by Daniel :(

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Ruleke:

no 0.20 for me then ?

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stuarta:

morning Juski

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Juski:

morning stuarta

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stuarta:

good long weekend?

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Juski:

ohhhh yes. and you?

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stuarta:

yep. very theraputic. lots of jumping around at a gig on Saturday, followed by 2 days of hiding from the world

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Hoxzer_jr:

Geez, I lose my mind with physical education

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Juski:

woke up at 6.30 on saturday morning, shopped, left the house at 6.30pm and didn't get home til 4am. I'm getting too old for that malarkey

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** Juski is taken aback.. hoxzer got laid? (hoxzer jr ?!?!?!?) **

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hoxzer:

Like I go to school, I wonder where they are ... guess do I find out it

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Merlin83b:

What gig, stuarta?

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stuarta:

nah, that's just a good night out.

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Merlin83b:

Heh, fair enough.

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stuarta:

Merlin83b: Metro Weekender in Clapham Common

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Merlin83b:

Oh

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Merlin83b:

:-)

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Merlin83b:

Reading Festival for me :-)

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stuarta:

Carl Cox, Pete Tong etc etc etc.

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Juski:

nifty. I was at Manchester Pride

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stuarta:

sounds like everyone needed the weekend off.

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evilDagmar:

Juski: You're right. Someone your age should be able to stay out much longer than that

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Merlin83b:

Juski: Heh, I have to go through that to get to my flat on Mondays. It means all my stuff from Reading is still in my camper :-)

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evilDagmar:

You should have stumbled home with dark glasses on a bit after noon or so, optionally with two pairs of womens undies in your pockets

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** stuarta ponders that option. **

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Juski:

yeh says you evilDagmar. I bet you're not married

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evilDagmar:

That's right.

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evilDagmar:

:)

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evilDagmar:

I keep trying to find a woman who's interested in sharing, but no luck so far.

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evilDagmar:

I need a woman who won't mind sharing he girlfriend with me. :)

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Juski:

lol. its not what it's cracked up to be IMHO

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evilDagmar:

s/he/her/;

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evilDagmar:

Look, I passed on an 8x festival of female nakedness at DragonCon some years back because I was on acid, I'm damn well going to get a threesome before I die

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Juski:

good way to go if you ask me

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evilDagmar:

I'm stilll thinking that maybe I shouldn't have passed on that.

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Juski:

bah. life's too short for regrets

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evilDagmar:

The therapy sessions resulting from passing will probably turn out to be less than the therapy sessions from doing that on LSD.

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evilDagmar:

...probably.

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evilDagmar:

Otherwise, I'm going to have to build a time machine just so I can wait outside that hotel room for myself and punch myself in the face

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Juski:

aaaaanyway.....

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Ruleke:

Gah I can't find a big difference in CA handling from 0.19 to svn :)

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Ruleke:

at least I know how the code works now :-P

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stuarta:

that's a good start

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Ruleke:

quite

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Ruleke:

I'll downgrade so I can watch tv again

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stuarta:

the main difference is siparser is dead.

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Ruleke:

yeah no impact on CAM stuff afaict

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hoxzer:

vat iv ai vuuld vrait inglish laik tis

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Ruleke:

hoxzer: it would make things easier on you and harder on us ? :)

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hoxzer:

Actually I find it hard to write like that

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Juski:

hey #mytthv-users wasn't very busy. I was the only one there

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Juski:

oops :)

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Ruleke:

:)

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hoxzer:

:/

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hoxzer:

I should go to school now

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hoxzer:

and I'll be back in 30min because I never find out where is pd lesson hold

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Juski:

hmm that was fun

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Juski:

majorly interesting subject on the dev list... UK Freeview 'Playback'... sounds nifty as F...!

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stuarta:

Juski: yeah, if they ever release the specs.

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stuarta:

we'll probably see it in the wild before we see the specs.

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scopeuk:

hell it iwllbe a lock down

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scopeuk:

it ill go live specs wil stay locked in a box

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stuarta:

yeah, but they have to broadcast the signal :)

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scopeuk:

oh yeh well reverse engineer it but its still an irritation

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Merlin83b:

Not quite sure what the Trailer link thing does from that description.

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Merlin83b:

Oh, now I get it. A "I want that" type button where you hit it to have that show recorded too.

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Merlin83b:

Quite nifty.

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Merlin83b:

Not that I ever watch trailers or ads but nifty nonetheless :-)

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scopeuk:

bit like what sky does with the green button during adds

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Merlin83b:

Never seen Sky+

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Merlin83b:

Or plain Sky (outside of sporting events in a pub) for ages

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scopeuk:

on normal sky it scheduals the series /show to be watched if you preess the green button during an advert for it

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Merlin83b:

That's quite cool.

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evilDagmar:

It's the magic "gimme" button

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hoxzer:

:O

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Juski:

not 'quite cool' at all... tis verily IMHO

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Juski:

makes you wonder why it wasn't in the spec in the 1st place

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Juski:

I wonder if they'll be following the 'tvanytime' guidelines.. I think they're part of the dvb standard now

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Juski:

no doubt they're only what the spec currently calls 'reserved' anyway

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evilDagmar:

You would think they'd be all for publicizing anything that facilitates automatic spending

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stuarta:

'cept ITV are pushing hard for making it difficult/impossible to skip ads on a PVR recording.

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Juski:

heh

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Juski:

I bet they are

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stuarta:

funnily enough BBC & $ky are in the other camp

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stuarta:

unusual for $ky

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jammyd:

why are sky in the other camp?

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Juski:

get those embedded Linux PVR boxen on the market chaps!

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evilDagmar:

WEll, the obvious portal for monetary transaction facilitation there is $ky, so it's kind of a no-brainer as to why they'd want it

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stuarta:

probably cause they already have $ky +

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gardengnome:

re

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Juski:

just reading a DTG report at the minute.. interesting.. and for now I'm glad that MythTV isn't on the map :-)

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stuarta:

is that the one where they point out which side of the fence each camp is on?

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Juski:

recorder_technology.pdf

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Juski:

if I've got the jist of this right, they've tested tvanytime extenions to the dvb standard which are published

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stuarta:

which if true, give us a starting point.

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Juski:

omg this doc is dated aug 2003

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Juski:

it's unlikely the DTG lot opted to make a new standard anyway

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stuarta:

nope.

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Juski:

I think having a good dig in the DVB specs would be well worth it

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Juski:

but like the schedule updates it's up to the broadcasters to use the data in the 1st place

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Juski:

ITV is gonna need more data input monkeys

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stuarta:

or 1 useful 1

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scopeuk:

yeh they oculd sackthe curent collection of20 – 30 monkeys and hire maby 10 higher mamles to do the job properly

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scopeuk:

surely thought its jsut a bridge of internal data to external output

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stuarta:

it's also about consistency of the data

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stuarta:

3 monkeys will type the same thing 3 times.

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stuarta:

sorry 3 different ways

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stuarta:

part of the problem is the EIT spec has no provision for subtitle information.

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stuarta:

so they massage it into the description (and sometimes the title)

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scopeuk:

in which case the regulatory body should get off there fat asses and resolve the bloody issue

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stuarta:

hopefully this "standard" will sort things out.

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stuarta:

since to accurately provision for series link and all the other goodness

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stuarta:

the EIT data has to be sufficiently consistent and detailed to allow any PVR to make a decision

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melunko:

Hello there

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melunko:

Does anybody know why my myth only record if I am watching ?

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melunko:

I schedule a program to certain date, but it only record if I start WatchTV in frontend :(

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stuarta:

what makes you think it only records if you watch tv in the frontend.

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Juski:

nifty.. screen works!

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stuarta:

screen is the ducks nuts

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melunko:

stuarta: I see that the .nuv files are not created

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stuarta:

have you looked in the backend log file for error messages?

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melunko:

Yes, but there are not any one

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melunko:

:(

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stuarta:

how do you start the backend then?

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melunko:

in same machine, "mythbackend" only

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stuarta:

hardly surprising then. run the backend with --logfile <logfilename>

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melunko:

OK

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melunko:

stuarta: I will try, thanks

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stuarta:

and check the permissions on your recording directory

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melunko:

stuarta: I believe permissions are ok, since it records when I run to WatchTV, actually permissions here are 777 :)

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Juski:

oh hell not the netsplit shennanigans again

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stuarta:

don't think so

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hoxzer:

:(

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hoxzer:

need to learn php

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stuarta:

could be worse. they might make you learn basic....

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hoxzer:

well they already made me learn java

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geemark:

what's the latest gossip on 0.20 ?? I see that the feature list is frozen – are there any screenshots?

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Zider:

it's gonna kick ass – naturally ;)

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stuarta:

no gossip. it's frozen

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geemark:

any dates set yet?

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stuarta:

and screen shots wouldn't tell you much. it's mainly internal changes.

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stuarta:

dates ~= freeze + 2 weeks testing.

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Zider:

screenshots of the source ;)

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geemark:

I read something about OpenGL rendering of interfaces – is that also just behind-the-scenes, or will it actually improve?

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stuarta:

of course nothing is definiter...

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stuarta:

OpenGL rendering, well it's partly implemented in certain areas of the frontend.

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stuarta:

*requires* good drivers & hardware supported GL

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qu0zl:

any reports of what it's like on via openchrome chips?

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geemark:

but the switch to opengl will not mean new eyecandy in the frontend? merely speed improvements?

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stuarta:

ha. it's eyecandy & eyecandy != speed improvements

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stuarta:

and it's not a switch. it's not fully implemented and thus is optional

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geemark:

one of the things I like in MCE and really need in MythTV is to be able to go to the main menu without stopping what you are doing (watching tv, listening to music etc) – is there any work done towards this, or would it require a lot of work to do?

[14:05:23]

stuarta:

probably require a lot of work. anyway the changelog is currently on the wiki for those who care.

[14:07:51]

geemark:

and yet another question... :) is there a "status page" for the SoC projects? I would like to see if they are making progress on the projects, when they might be done etc

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stuarta:

not seen one, but at least one of them has a sandbox on the wiki

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stuarta:

parts of those projects are likely to be merged into head after 0.20 is out...

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Juski:

qu0zl: opengl on openchrome is s l o w by all accounts I've seen

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qu0zl:

ahh well, cheers for the info Juski

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qu0zl:

thought it would be tbh

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Juski:

maybe only twice as fast as software rendering

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Juski:

even so I think it shoudl stand a chance ;-)

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Juski:

at the mythtv ui anyway

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stuarta:

software rendering sucks badly on my hw

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Juski:

not as though there are millions of polygons is it?

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stuarta:

dunno. not going there till I fix the kernel bugs on my hw

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Juski:

w.r.t to geemark's comment – I'd like to see just one media player in mythtv for everything, but it'd need a lot of rewriting. maybe even going as far as writing a whole new frontend

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Juski:

lots of buzz about gstreamer though.. maybe someone could (independently) look into that

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stuarta:

there is some work in that direction

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stuarta:

the internal player now handles most dvd's without problem.

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Juski:

yeah the mfd stuff too

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nf|aevil^afk:

you can play q3 engine games with low details on unichrome pro chips if your cpu is fast enough, so a mythui should be possible

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stuarta:

nothing todo with mfd...

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Juski:

oh righty

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Juski:

I tried 'mythtv foobar.mp3' on my spare box the other day. it spurted out loads of error messages then locked the machine hard

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Juski:

dunno if that was a bug or something I didn't compile mythtv with – don't even know what the crash was. But I _do_ know I won't be trying that again ;-)

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sigger:

was just browsing the mythmusic SoC branch. looks like last commit was 2 months ago. I guess I hope he's hoarding?

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Juski:

sigger: you know how students work... hoard, cram, last minute...

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sigger:

yeah, I guess that was me too to a degree

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Juski:

nf|aevil^afk: when you say 'if your cpu is fast enough' I guess that'd preclude 1Ghz C3 CPUs...

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Ruleke:

I don't run anything faster on all my myth boxes :)

[14:27:45]

nf|aevil^afk:

Juski, exactly. the unichrome pro is much slower than the usual low end external graphics like the gf5200

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gbee:

hmm, the radiotimes data is pretty bad at the moment – lacking descriptions/subtitles or both in some cases

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gbee:

just had to manually prevent a whole bunch of duplicate recordings

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stuarta:

gbee: difference being [S] in the description?

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gbee:

nope, just some showings lack a subtitle, others lack a description etc

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Juski:

radiotimes.. lacking? huh?

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stuarta:

!trout epg-monkeys useless

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gbee:

The Sopranos being the best example ... the start of the new series is being shown about 8 times this week

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Merlin83b:

Thanks for the reminder, gbee!

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gbee:

no subtitles for any of them, even though the next week has subtitles and the description varies from two sentances to nothing at all

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stuarta:

don't tell me the EIT data is more accurate than RT????

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Merlin83b:

I'll tell you in a minute :-)

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stuarta:

blimey! the only difference in EIT data, is some of them have [S] in the description

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Merlin83b:

Hehe

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** stuarta has already checked :) **

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gbee:

might just be at the moment!

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Merlin83b:

Yeah the [S] and the like are blooming annoying.

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** stuarta makes a note to fix that.... **

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Merlin83b:

Yay!

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gbee:

it gets better for the Sopranos episodes next week, but other stuff is messed up ... e.g. Lost

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** stuarta try's to decide if he can slip that one in during the freeze.... **

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Merlin83b:

I say yes :)

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gbee:

stuarta: sure ;)

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** stuarta goes to code it up... **

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Merlin83b:

To use another channelism, stuarta++

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gbee:

stuarta: are their subtitles provided for The Sopranos episodes with EIT? and are we correctly parsing them from the description?

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stuarta:

yup

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gbee:

wondering if I should switch to EIT for E4 etc

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gbee:

ok, that's settled then :)

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** stuarta *crosses his fingers* **

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Merlin83b:

For the [crap] patch working and being accepted?

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stuarta:

?!?!?

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Ruleke:

hmm why does the EIT scanner complain loadly if a channel is not in the PAT ?

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Merlin83b:

They do other stuff the just [S], stuarta.

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stuarta:

Merlin83b: [S,SL,AD]. I've got a ticket to address it properly for 0.21

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gbee:

Ruleke: because you need to re-scan your channels, it's usually due to a channel having been decommisioned etc

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Merlin83b:

Cool.

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stuarta:

basically I want prority modifiers for those flags. (there's basic subtitle support already)

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gbee:

e.g. in the uk there have been some recent (minor) changes to the lineup

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Ruleke:

It isn't

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Ruleke:

It's because of the provider :(

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Ruleke:

There are 2 HD channels operated by a different company and 2 test channels that are not in a PAT

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stuarta:

it's also because some of the drivers return data from the old mux after a return

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stuarta:

retune even.

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Ruleke:

It's always the same channels

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Ruleke:

and because they are called "test channel" I suspect it's that :)

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Ruleke:

it's cool to be able to tune to them with myth though

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Ruleke:

maybe disable only EIT for them ?

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Ruleke:

is that possible ?

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stuarta:

Ruleke: good idea.

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Ruleke:

the HD channels do have EIT data though

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stuarta:

well if they don't have info in the PAT, then officially they don't exist.

[14:46:25]

Ruleke:

doh :(

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Ruleke:

they definately exist, you can buy the smartcard for them

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stuarta:

intriguing....

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Ruleke:

daily they transmit sample in the clear though :-/

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Ruleke:

so I also would prefer not deleting them :)

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stuarta:

turn off epg then

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Ruleke:

can EIT work with them not being in PAT ?

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** stuarta gives up on [S] deletion.... **

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gbee:

:(

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stuarta:

for now

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gbee:

well I've switched to eit for all but the main five channels, film 4 and more 4

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gbee:

lets see what chaos that causes with my schedules

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stuarta:

actually this might not be too hard.... :-)

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Ruleke:

I would like to do that as some channels don't have any Epg data

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gbee:

heh ... it crashed my BE

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Ruleke:

one thing remaining for me, which is a bit fuzzy to me, is how to use the DVB and analog card for the same channels...

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Ruleke:

is it the channel name that identifies them or channel number, can I use 1 entry in the db or do I use 2 and match their name...

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stuarta:

patch coded. now I just need to wait for this recording to finish, so I can test it....

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Zider:

latest nvidia drivers supports xorg 7.1 now :D

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gbee:

callsign identifies channels ... if two channels have the sign callsign they are considered to be the same by the scheduler even if they have different numbers

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Ruleke:

hmm interesting, so I need 2 db entries ?

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Ruleke:

and hide some of them from browsing... or ?

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Ruleke:

and do I need guide data just for one of them ?

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gbee:

best answered by someone who has a multiple source setup .. :)

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Ruleke:

yeah :/

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Merlin83b:

Nice one, stuarta :-)

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Merlin83b:

Is it just a case of s/ *[S]$)// ?

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Juski:

I have 2 sources but doin't have dup channels

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Ruleke:

ah

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Ruleke:

dvb/analog ?

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Juski:

dvb/cable

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Ruleke:

I would think I can just use the same entries in the channel table

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gbee:

heh, just remembered the downside of EIT the 7 day limit

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Ruleke:

heh I only get 4

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Ruleke:

and 5 with the online scraper one

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gbee:

we really need to support mixing data from xmltv and eit :)

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stuarta:

http://pastebin.ca/153267

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stuarta:

gbee: that's on the agenda for post 0.20

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gbee:

get 14 days from xmltv here and when you get used to that 7 days is almost useless ;)

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gbee:

stuarta: aye I know, I was making sure it wasn't forgotten :p

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stuarta:

well you can help write it :-P

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gbee:

I can ;)

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stuarta:

once 0.20 is out, i'll merge head back to eit-branch and we can play.

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gbee:

hmm, unless EIT and RT are carrying the same descriptions it's already working to a degree

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gbee:

at least the description in the db from xmltv wasn't overwritten with that from EIT but the missing info, like the stereo flag was added :)

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stuarta:

yeah but things like T4: prefixes in RT data aren't handled

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gbee:

that will be simple enough if the eit fixups can be astracted into a more general guide fixup

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stuarta:

they are already separate, just only used internally

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Ruleke:

hmm does a ticket tagged 0.21 really mean it won't be fixed for 0.20 ?

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stuarta:

yep

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Ruleke:

omg

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Ruleke:

I won't be able to use 0.20 at all then

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stuarta:

that's what "frozen" means...

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Ruleke:

well it's a regression...

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stuarta:

unless it can be categorized as a bugfix

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stuarta:

which ticket is that....

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Ruleke:

2254

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Ruleke:

getting full logs this evening

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Ruleke:

could only copy-paste what's in there so far

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Ruleke:

damn network

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stuarta:

did you submit that one? I suspect there's a chances if you can get daniel all the logs he needs.

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Ruleke:

I did

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Ruleke:

problem is ... I already looked at the logs

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Ruleke:

even with -v all, the CA subsystem doesn't log anything more :)

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stuarta:

yeah, daniel wants to look at them too, that's why he asked for the full logs

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Ruleke:

yep

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Ruleke:

can't get them right now is the prob

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Ruleke:

in a few hours

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Ruleke:

I can do whatever debugging he likes

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stuarta:

he is on US time, so it's not too bad...

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stuarta:

Juski: tvanytime xml data spec looks interesting....

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Ruleke:

0.19 worked beautifully :)

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Ruleke:

just wanted to report possible 0.20 problems, turns out I got a big one

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Ruleke:

it's a longstanding issue in svn though, I had it since the EIT rewrite thing I think

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Ruleke:

just switched back to 0.19-fixes while the change storm was going on :)

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stuarta:

well if you didn't report it when those changes were going in, are you surprised?

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stuarta:

there was a time, just after siparser was killed that specific reqgression were being looked for and those that were found were fixed....

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stuarta:

not reported = not fixed *shrug*

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gbee:

still no eit data for Virgin Radio

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stuarta:

they don't seem to broadcast any...

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: Got that VCD player done yet ?:)

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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gbee:

;)

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stuarta:

there's some pate in my fridge?

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Ruleke:

stuarta: oh there were too many silmultaneous changes in the environment to make a decent report... didn't know if it was caused by them. regardless, I upgraded to svn because of the call for test

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gbee:

not a chance of me even starting that this side of September and probably not until near Christmas depending on how long my other myth plans take

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stuarta:

i've got to pick between eit & scanning now :-/

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gbee:

backend segfaulted _again_

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gbee:

wondering if it's a bad data problem, or if the eit crawler doesn't like the list of eit channels changing whilst it is active

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stuarta:

!trout backend segfault

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** MythLogBot slaps backend with a segfault trout on behalf of stuarta... **

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allan:

I am on a Mac — I see MythTV has an option to flag commercial. Would I be able to use MythTV to cleanse an already recorded show for commercials (on my mac)? or is this option only “during recording” (and done by the backend, which I do not think I can install on a Mac)?

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gbee:

allan: any file can be run through the commercial flagger at any time, but I don't know if the comm flagger would work on a Mac

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stuarta:

no reason it shouldn't

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allan:

okay, I will continue my efforts of getting it working then :) I assume I will need to fetch the backend to get to the commercial flagger (so far only got the frontend working on my mac)?

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gbee:

the commercial flagger can be used as a standalone application without the backend running IIRC

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allan:

cool! I am fetching the main mythtv package now

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allan:

qapplication.h — that’s from Qt, right?

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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** allan goes to fetch Qt for Mac :) **

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Juski:

I'll be turning the test system back on tonight.. let's see if that screws up the upcoming recording schedules on the main backend this time

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** stuarta pokes Juski's backup to see if it's alive **

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Juski:

oh the backup will be from 1am today

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** stuarta then notices he didn't do a backup before deleting the program data :-/ **

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Juski:

if I discover that switching on the ubuntu box containing SVN IS what's screwing the upcoming recordings on the main system what can I do?

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stuarta:

try an work out why?

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gbee:

stop switching it on ... silly

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Juski:

lol

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Juski:

yeh well verbose all logging is turned on. I wonder if the mysql servers are in contention.. hmm there's a thought

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stuarta:

funny ip address in one host file?

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Juski:

maybe misconfigured... I don't know that much about the inner workings of mysql

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Juski:

for all I know they could be having an argument about who the master mysql server is or something :-|

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stuarta:

anyone know how to do a sed in mysql?

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Juski:

no idea. sounds scary though

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gbee:

ordered a new printer, don't know why I'm excited about it but I am ...

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Juski:

becuase... it prints money?

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gbee:

stuarta: in what way?

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gbee:

an "if match A replace with B" type syntax?

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gbee:

or reg exp matching of values in the db?

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gbee:

the LIKE operator provides basic reg exp – where % is equiv to * and _ is ?

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gbee:

e.g. SELECT a FROM table WHERE field LIKE '%expr_';

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gbee:

there there is the more advanced REGEXP operator

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Juski:

damn so much for my idea. Now Maplin are selling it too.. http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo= . . . p;doy=search

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Merlin83b:

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grndslm:

Can anybody help me figure out why mysqld won't start??

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grndslm:

http://pastebin.ca/153384

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Merlin83b:

Permissions on your log directory at a guess, grndslm. That, or you put "log=" or something similar in your config file.

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grndslm:

umm....where's the log directory?

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stuarta:

gbee: description ~= s/[S]//

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gbee:

Juski: like I said, no idea – maybe just because it's new and I like new things ;) It's a lot smaller than my current printer, faster and cheaper to run but it's still just a printer

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Merlin83b:

grndslm: Probably /var/log/mysql or similar.

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grndslm:

umm....do i really need to log anything

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grndslm:

i've got my backend all by itself and i don't think i really need to log anything....it's restarted fine up until i had this lightning strike, when mysqld had trouble running

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Merlin83b:

You don't need to log, no.

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grndslm:

well, could i disable mysqld from starting the logging feature?? how would i do that? init scripts?

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gbee:

stuarta: can't be done within mysql

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stuarta:

i did it the hard way :)

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hoxzer:

Aargh, I hate mosquitos

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gbee:

what regexp stuff exists in mysql is only there for matching, can't do substitutions in that way – at least not that I've ever come across :(

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hoxzer:

Like they are not supose to live in the down town :D

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stuarta:

well that magic fix worked.

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stuarta:

if I really were bothered i'd write some perl to do the magic.

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** stuarta goes to do a sneaky commit. **

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grndslm:

Merlin83b, how could I disable mysqld's logging ability so that I can start mythbackend?

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Merlin83b:

grndslm: Look in your my.cnf

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Merlin83b:

stuarta: [S]?

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Merlin83b:

Excellent :-)

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stuarta:

yup

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stuarta:

shhh

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gbee:

stuarta: I'll create a distraction whilst you sneak it in

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grndslm:

Merlin83b, all the log lines are already commented out

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grndslm:

except for log-bin

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** stuarta expects to be told off for this... **

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grndslm:

disabled log-bin and it still won't connect...i get the following:

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grndslm:

060829 11:15:07 InnoDB: Started; log sequence number 0 43675

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grndslm:

060829 11:15:07 [Note] mysqld: ready for connections.

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grndslm:

Version: '5.0.22-Debian_0ubuntu6.06' socket: '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' port: 3306 Debian Etch distribution

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gbee:

stuarta: it was a bug! it wasn't supposed to leave the [s] characters at the end of the description!

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grndslm:

wait....that's a good thing, no?

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grndslm:

haha....thank you merlin

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stuarta:

gbee: have you ever noticed there are 2 fixups for that same thing?

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gbee:

heh no, never looked closely enough

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grndslm:

i'll be back if mythbackend doesn't automatically start on reboot, but thanks again merlin!

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stuarta:

the 2nd one attempts to remove it, but doesn't normally match :)

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stuarta:

well used to anyway...

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stuarta:

ahh eitfixup.cpp:348

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stuarta:

it's all getting redone soon anyway....

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stuarta:

back soon...

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Juski:

ttfn stuarta

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gbee:

stuarta: if 348 operated on the description instead of the subtitle it would work ...

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gbee:

unless that's before we moved the subtitle to the description field or vice-versa

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geemark:

any ideas what is wrong when "Play DVD" returns to the menu instantaneously no matter if there is a dvd in the drive or not

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Juski:

geemark: no idea. does dvd playback work from other apps, like xine for example?

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riddlebox:

hello

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riddlebox:

can anyone help me with lirc?

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geemark:

Juski: yes, and in 0.19 I could use "import dvd" too

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sigger:

riddlebox: a little. what's up?

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riddlebox:

sigger, well I purchased a irblaster which was advertised on the lirc.org site, I installed the lirc drivers and dont see any errors but when I run mode2 I get nothing on the screen?

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Juski:

ahh well. it's time to go home. back later

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sigger:

after you run irw is lircd still running?

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riddlebox:

when I try to run irw it says connection refused

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SlicerDicer-:

is anybody aware of a SVN ebuild for gentoo?

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SlicerDicer-:

that I can use for installing SVN?

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riddlebox:

sigger, nm when I type lircd, I can use irw, but still nothing on the screen

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sigger:

ok, when you exit irw check if lircd is still running

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riddlebox:

yes

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sigger:

wait, IR blaster? is that the name of a receiver?

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riddlebox:

yeah

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riddlebox:

sigger, http://www.irblaster.info/

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sigger:

maybe I'm missing it, but isn't that an emitter only and not a receiver?

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riddlebox:

it says IR Transparent your regular remote will still work

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sigger:

I think that means that becuase the emitter plastic is transparent the signal can still get from your remote to the PVR/DVD/whatever.

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riddlebox:

crap so I bought the wrong thins

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riddlebox:

thing

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sigger:

ya

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riddlebox:

this sucks, maybe I can take it apart and use it with a reciever

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sigger:

well you have the DB9 part

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riddlebox:

I cant believe I didnt look at it harder

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sigger:

hehe, sorry

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Zider:

you need a resistor, a transistor, a capacitor, a diode and an IR sensor to make the IR receiver

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sigger:

lirc.org has the schematic

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Zider:

yep

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Zider:

the components I got hold of had different pinouts than the ones in the schematics, and I think I must've put them togther wrong, because I can't getmine to work :(

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riddlebox:

yeah I tried building one, but I got the wrong 5v regulator, I got a 7805 and it calls for a 78l05

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sigger:

I just bought a cheapie Packard Bell receiver/remote. not much more than the parts IIRC

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Zider:

all the receivers I've seen in the stores seems to be USB..

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sigger:

the PB is db9 if you're lookin for that

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Zider:

SlicerDicer: why not just get the usual svn?

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riddlebox:

I wonder, what I can use this transmitter for now

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Zider:

riddlebox: make the mythbox control your tv/vcr/dvd/whatever

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Zider:

sigger: you mean for serial port?

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sigger:

ya

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Zider:

nice.. but I doubt any stores here has them..

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sigger:

nah, its ebay and other online store fodder

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Zider:

yeah, but are there any SWEDISH online stores? :P

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sigger:

doubt it but are there export restrictions on IR receivers?

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sigger:

nvm, shipping costs

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Zider:

mhm

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Zider:

quite a lot for such a small part

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kormoc:

I'm sure swedish fish are online at a store... :P

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Zider:

kormoc: que?

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kormoc:

Zider, http://www.oldtimecandy.com/swedish-fish.htm

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sigger:

salted licorice more likely

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Zider:

ummm

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Zider:

don't think I ever seen those

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sigger:

SF are damn good

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Aid`:

hi!

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Aid`:

can someone help me? I load my channels.conf for my DVB card into mythtv-setup and then goto mythtv and it says my freq is out of range... how can that be if thats is what dvbscan found and put into the channels.conf??

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magneticubuntu:

hello

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magneticubuntu:

Any IVTV experts here? (self compiling)

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opello:

so ivtv can bootstrap now? :) *runs*

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stuarta:

gbee: that whole area of the fixups needs looking at (it's on my TODO)

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stuarta:

Juski: "UIImageType::LoadImage() – Cannot find image: conflicts/trans-con-box.png"

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magneticubuntu:

guys please HELP:

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magneticubuntu:

magnetic@magnetic-desktop:~/Archives/ivtv-0.4.6$ sudo make

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magneticubuntu:

Password:

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magneticubuntu:

make -C driver all

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magneticubuntu:

make[1]: Entering directory `/home/magnetic/Archives/ivtv-0.4.6/driver'

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magneticubuntu:

created ivtv-svnversion.h

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magneticubuntu:

make -C /lib/modules/2.6.15-23-powerpc/build M=/home/magnetic/Archives/ivtv-0.4. 6/driver modules

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magneticubuntu:

make: Entering an unknown directory

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magneticubuntu:

make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.15-23-powerpc/build: No such file or directory. Stop .

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magneticubuntu:

make: Leaving an unknown directory

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magneticubuntu:

make[1]: *** [all] Error 2

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magneticubuntu:

make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/magnetic/Archives/ivtv-0.4.6/driver'

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magneticubuntu:

make: *** [all] Error 2

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kormoc:

magneticubuntu, christ, don't do that. Use a pastebin, like the on in the topic

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** stuarta puts his fingers in his ears **

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Rule:

abyway you are missing the link to the kernel headers

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magneticubuntu:

well i'm a noob lamer :)

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magneticubuntu:

rule: right how to do that?

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Rule:

s/abyway/anyway

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magneticubuntu:

huh?

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dverzolla:

anyone has installed MythTV from Ubuntu apt-get?

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dverzolla:

Rule, syntax error :D

[18:10:04]

Rule:

magneticubuntu: install your distro's kernel development package, or extract the kernel source and link the build dir to it

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Rule:

dverzolla: irc version

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magneticubuntu:

Rule, i'm not sure how to do that?

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Rule:

magneticubuntu: maybe you shouldn't be compiling it... what distribution ?

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magneticubuntu:

Ubuntu PPC

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Rule:

magneticubuntu: get the kernel-source package for your kernel version and install it... no idea if ubuntu makes the links itself like debian does :)

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dapper-daniel:

hi! I have some strange problems with my mythtv-frontend. Text in menus is not shown correctly or is completly unvisible

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dapper-daniel:

when i select a text in the menu it disapears and after deselecting is does not come back

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** Rule is committed to this mythtv CAM bug now... setting up test environment **

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SlicerDicer-:

Zider: I was hoping that there were ebuilds so I could use portage

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Zider:

SlicerDicer: not that I know.. but the svn is easily used tho..

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magneticubuntu:

Rule, thanks for your help i'm installing kernel headers ATM

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SlicerDicer-:

Zider: portage is gentoo's package manager

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Rule:

magneticubuntu: no worries

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Zider:

SlicerDicer: I know that

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Zider:

anyhoo.. off to tv..

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Rule:

magneticubuntu: http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto:Ubuntu I guess is what you want...

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magneticubuntu:

Rule, magnetic@magnetic-desktop:~/Archives/ivtv-0.4.6$ sudo make

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magneticubuntu:

make -C driver all

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magneticubuntu:

make[1]: Entering directory `/home/magnetic/Archives/ivtv-0.4.6/driver'

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magneticubuntu:

make -C /lib/modules/2.6.15-23-powerpc/build M=/home/magnetic/Archives/ivtv-0.4.6/driver modules

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magneticubuntu:

/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-23-powerpc/scripts/gcc-version.sh: line 11: gcc: command not found

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magneticubuntu:

/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-23-powerpc/scripts/gcc-version.sh: line 12: gcc: command not found

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magneticubuntu:

make[2]: gcc: Command not found

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magneticubuntu:

make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-23-powerpc'

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magneticubuntu:

CC [M] /home/magnetic/Archives/ivtv-0.4.6/driver/cx25840-core.o

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magneticubuntu:

/bin/sh: gcc: command not found

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magneticubuntu:

make[3]: *** [/home/magnetic/Archives/ivtv-0.4.6/driver/cx25840-core.o] Error 127

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magneticubuntu:

make[2]: *** [_module_/home/magnetic/Archives/ivtv-0.4.6/driver] Error 2

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magneticubuntu:

make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-23-powerpc'

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magneticubuntu:

make[1]: *** [all] Error 2

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magneticubuntu:

make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/magnetic/Archives/ivtv-0.4.6/driver'

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Rule:

don't do that

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magneticubuntu:

make: *** [all] Error 2

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Rule:

you've been told

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magneticubuntu:

after kernel headers installed

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magneticubuntu:

what flood? sorry

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Rule:

hah you don't even have a compiler installed (gcc)

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Rule:

stuarta: by god daniel will have his logs :P

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magneticubuntu:

it built i think

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Rule:

congrats

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geemark:

I got the mythtv frontend to work with the new internal dvd player, but the picture lags horribly – why is that so?

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magneticubuntu:

well DMESG shows IVTV loaded but the Firmware files are missing??

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magneticubuntu:

missing from hotplug dir?

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stuarta:

Rule: hehehe

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Rule:

magneticubuntu: I pasted the url... scroll up

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Rule:

before you pushed it off the screen with your pasteflood

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magneticubuntu:

ok relax on mne :(

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Rule:

stuarta: I will have my dvb in 0.20 ! :)

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Rule:

magneticubuntu: not intended harshly

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magneticubuntu:

i cant find the firmware file i need

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Rule:

magneticubuntu: erm... the url is in there ?

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Rule:

works for me

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magneticubuntu:

right i'm readint it atm t

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Rule:

oki

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Juski:

stuarta: cheers for that. I'll fix it right now.. which version? wide, 4:3 or both?

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stuarta:

normal...

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linagee:

what happens if my cable provider changes around channels on me, but my mythtv does not adjust?

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Juski:

linagee: what do you think?

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linagee:

?

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Juski:

the stuff will still work but the scheduling will be screwed up.. i.e. wrong programs get recorded & the guide will be wrong

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linagee:

Juski: re-run setup, tell it to forget guide info?

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dverzolla:

I'm getting this error in mythweb

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dverzolla:

Fatal Error at /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/includes/programs.php, line 107:

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dverzolla:

load_all_program_data() attempted with an empty $Channels array

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dverzolla:

The system administrator has been notified and the problem will be remedied shortly.

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Rule:

dverzolla: looks like an empty channels array ? :)

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linagee:

dverzolla: maybe you should wair for the system administrator to contact you back? LOL

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xris:

sounds like you have a setup problem in your db

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Juski:

if I were you I'd back up the database, then change your channel numbers & clean out the program table

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linagee:

dverzolla: er, wait

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Juski:

linagee: that wsa for you up there ^^^

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linagee:

ah

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linagee:

hrm... backup the database... that sounds like a good idea! :-D

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** linagee would scream if his mythtv forget what shows it has already recorded. (dup database) **

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dverzolla:

Rule, but, I'm using the cable directly in cable with no channels

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Rule:

aha ! :)

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Juski:

btw I think this undocumented way mythtv looks for trans- theme elements isn't nice. none of the theming docs mention it or explain what it's all about

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linagee:

Juski: but my mythtv is on a raid 1! no reasn to ever back up! :-D </sarcasm>

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dverzolla:

Rule, have a idea?

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Rule:

put in a dummy one ?

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Rule:

dunno if mythweb expects you to have channels

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Juski:

linagee: you need to back up the db since if you screw it, you'll have a perfectly mirrored but non-working mythtv box

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Rule:

I always define 1

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dverzolla:

Rule, configure with mythtv-setup?

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Rule:

if you like...

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Juski:

raid1 doesn't protect you from rm -rf /

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dverzolla:

Rule, have another option to configure any channel?

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Juski:

or noobness.. lol

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linagee:

Juski: hehehe

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Rule:

dverzolla: probably mythfilldatabase

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Rule:

but that's for my country :)

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linagee:

Juski: what do you mean my mythtv went braindead and now it records reruns of all the shows? :-/

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dverzolla:

Rule, excuse for my basic questions :)

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dverzolla:

Rule, is the firts time that I start mythtv

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Rule:

I had some FS corruption on my nice mirror before... that's why you also have backups :/

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dverzolla:

Rule, lol, now mythweb is working :D

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Rule:

there you go

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Juski:

linagee: what do I mean? (takes deep breaths).... it means that when it goes to record programme X on channel Y, channel Y will be something other than what mythtv thinks will be there, so it'll record the wrong show because it's the wrong channel

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Rule:

dverzolla: bit strange to not have channels... you always have channels, even with an external cable box... what do you use mythtv for ? :)

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dverzolla:

Rule, I work in a tv company

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dverzolla:

Rule, My cable is directly connected at my company channel

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Juski:

stuarta: uploading the 'fixed' themes now :)

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Rule:

dverzolla: ah so 1 channel then :)

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dverzolla:

Rule, I wan't use the schedule options of mythweb to record my video

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dverzolla:

Rule, Yes, 1 channel :D

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Rule:

you need a channel to do that afaik :)

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dverzolla:

Rule, I try to use ffmpeg with crontab... but I get very strange errors

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Rule:

hmm

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** Juski is curious. if you work for a tv company can't you just record the stuff there? :-P **

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Rule:

myth does seem a bit overkill to shedule 1 channel :)

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dverzolla:

Rule, :)

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Juski:

so... can anyone please explain this trans- theme elements business? I'll edit the wiki pages if only I knew how the heck the different theme elements came into play

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** Rule is clueless about how the theme thing works :-/ **

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Juski:

heh. there are a few parts of the themes which need to be present that aren't defined in the xml files

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Rule:

automagically ?

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Juski:

hard-coded

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Rule:

meh

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Rule:

so read the code :)

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Juski:

wouldn't be so bad if it was documented anywhere other than the bowels of the source

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Rule:

gah I get so bored during compiles on this slow box

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Juski:

oh ffs having asymmetrical broadband sucks

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Rule:

everyone here in .be has it

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Rule:

all cable and adsl

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linagee:

Rule: automagically.

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Rule:

512KB/s up is enough for me though

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Juski:

ahh well at least I'm off work tomorrow. I can test my themes some more then

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Juski:

I might even bother my arse to fix the mythgame & mythphone screens

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Rule:

hehe the two plugins I have never used

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xris:

totally OT, except that our code contributes to mythweb code: http://www.siliconmechanics.com/i3290/careers/php-developer.php

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Rule:

or in the case of mythgame never gotten to work

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Juski:

xris: since you're here.. if you get a chance (I realise you're mega busy) could you give my new themes a quick go to see if the work with the gl painter?

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Juski:

I tried em here but as you know I could never reproduce the problem you saw originally ;)

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Juski:

or anyone else.. more people who test the better.. http://www.juski.co.uk/pg/tarballs version 2.0a is the one you're looking for

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Juski:

time to boot umbongo....

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** Rule going to watch live tv (without frontend *shudder* ) while this thing compiles **

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gbee:

xris: long distance applications will be ignored? so I guess I needn't bother applying? :)

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bulio:

are there any guides for what is needed to build a cheap mythtv box?

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Juski:

bulio: nope

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xris:

Juski: can't from work

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xris:

can try tonight, though.

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GreyFoxx:

Likely a lot of them

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Juski:

heheh xris I wouldn't expect you to do it like right away ;-)

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bulio:

I wanna spend max $400 for a good box

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Juski:

lol

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Juski:

define 'good'

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bulio:

well, something that will record tv and lpay dvdas

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bulio:

heh, new keyboard

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bulio:

**DVDs

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Juski:

still too loose a definition

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Juski:

standard def. tv or HDTV?

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bulio:

standard def

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Juski:

1. buy a Hauppauge PVR card. 2. get a reasonable CPU like 2GHz, 512MB RAM, 200GB HDD or so... nvidia fx5200 card...

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Juski:

you realise that it won't be _quiet_ for that money

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tbonius:

Is anyone here using a Hauppauge WinTv model 401?

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Juski:

can we filter that 'win' word out in here? :-P

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bulio:

AMD Sempron 3000+ 1.60GHz / 256KB Cache / 800MHz FSB / Socket AM2 / 64-Bit (Manila) / Processor with Fan

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bulio:

how would that work?

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hoxzer:

huummm

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bulio:

thats 70$ cdn

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bulio:

for $140 cdn I could get:

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bulio:

AMD Sempron 3600+ 2.0GHz / 256KB Cache / 1600MHz FSB / Socket AM2 / 64-Bit (Manila) / Processor with Fan

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bulio:

much of a difference?

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gbee:

bulio: more than enough ... I'm using an old Athlon Thunderbird 1.4Ghz in one frontend

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magneticubuntu:

Can one of you guys provide me withe firmware files for PVR350 for IVTV? i'm on ppc and its too time consuming with work arounds

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gardengnome:

magneticubuntu: you can download them on www.ivtvdriver.org

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tbonius:

i just had questions about snd_bt87x and dsp devices

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bulio:

I'll get the 1.6 GHZ then

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magneticubuntu:

gardengnome, not the tarballs just the fw driver

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Juski:

magneticubuntu: just download the firmware files from the site

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magneticubuntu:

ok thx

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gardengnome:

magneticubuntu: http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Firmware# . . . the_Firmware

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magneticubuntu:

i'm on Ubuntu and it doesnt seem to use hotplug so where do they go?

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magneticubuntu:

reading that now :)

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gardengnome:

magneticubuntu: i put them under /lib/firmware IIRC... not sure at the moment

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Juski:

ubuntu not using hotplug? rofl

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Juski:

I think they do

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magneticubuntu:

well icant find it

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magneticubuntu:

its not in libs/modules/hotplug doesnt exsists

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Juski:

took me half an hour to get ivtv working on ubuntu... look in the channel logs around 20 dec last year to see that

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tbonius:

is anyone successfully using btaudio (snd_bt87x) ?

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gardengnome:

took me 5 minutes.. ;)

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Juski:

gardengnome: my CPU was only 800mhz and those compiles took a while

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Juski:

especially since I didn't have the kernel headers & shit

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Juski:

;)

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gardengnome:

heh :)

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tbonius:

so no one here uses the alsa snd-bt87x module?

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Juski:

try asking in #alsa

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tbonius:

i see

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tbonius:

i will take that as a no

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Juski:

I'd take not getting any affirmative replies as a no as well, but hey...

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tbonius:

i find it hard to believe that there are not very many people running into an issue with btaudio being deprecated and snd-bt87x replacing it without creating multiple dsp devices for the msp34xx analog and digital audio bridges

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Juski:

maybe so few people now use v4l framegrabbers round here.. jees don't take it so personally

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magneticubuntu:

gardengnome, thx

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magneticubuntu:

Juski, i compiled it all with a g4 1ghz in about 2mins

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tbonius:

im not taking it personally.. i just think there are many people using the older cards

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Juski:

tbonius: maybe there are. maybe they're just not here, or can't be assed to answer

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Juski:

if folks have answers round here they're normally pretty quick to pipe up

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tbonius:

so you use and audio patch cable for your capture card to your sound card?

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Juski:

nope. I don't use framegrabbers

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Juski:

they suck IMHO

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Juski:

tried one once.. it was like VHS

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Juski:

so a pvr150 costs like more than twice as much as a framegrabber.. it's more than twice as good :)

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andy753421:

Hey, i dont know much about MythTV or cable for that matter, We have a cable hook up in our room, that gets basic cable and local channels. We can also pay $15 a month to get normal cable (more channels). Are then normal channels something that can be set up with MythTV, or do we need to use their cable box for that?

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Juski:

I'm off to watch some MythTV.. laters all

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tbonius:

andy753421 : it depends on the cable service and the capture card

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tbonius:

but even with the PVR I assume you need an audio device

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dverzolla:

Why my mythweb don't get the 'Recording Profile' that I have writed in mythfrontend?

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andy753421:

ok, Is there anywhere I can look for more information on how to set it up? I dont have a capture card yet so that's why I was asking, I wanted to know what I would need before I buy anything.

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tbonius:

read the mythtv wiki

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andy753421:

alright

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tbonius:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

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tbonius:

theres lots of good info there

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tbonius:

just not what im looking for

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tbonius:

:(

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magneticubuntu:

I cannot for the life of me find the hotplug firware directory on Ubuntu :((

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Rule:

magneticubuntu: still no joy ? :)

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magneticubuntu:

Rule: well I just need to install the firmware but cant find hotplug dir on ubuntu.. :((

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magneticubuntu:

its not in etc

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Anduin:

magneticubuntu: If you are running a modern distro it is almost certainly /lib/firmware

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Rule:

hmm don't the scaled images for mythtv-setup get cached ?

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andy753421:

does anyone know of anywhere I can go to find out what type of signal my cable provider uses (Charter)?

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magneticubuntu:

Anduin, i put it there but dmesg asks for it in Hotplug firwmare directory

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Anduin:

magneticubuntu: google your ubuntu version, there are enough firmware loading troubles all around that finding steps for your exact version are not hard to find.

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bulio|:

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/Search . . . p;CatId=2361

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bulio|:

would that be a good start for building a myth tv box?

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bulio|:

I'm not planning on using HDTV

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SlicerDicer-:

hdtv really means dick on cpu power if you do it right :) I mean use a hardware card no cpu hardly used same with firewire

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SlicerDicer-:

I mean hell I run HDTV playback on a 1.4ghz Thunderbird Socket A :)

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bulio|:

is that a good package though?

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stuarta:

SlicerDicer-: obviously you are in an area that does HDTV in mpeg2 without any advanced codecs

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SlicerDicer-:

eh stuarta?

[20:14:49]

SlicerDicer-:

they do advanced codecs?

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stuarta:

uk hdtv is using h264 encoding, for which there is *zero* hardware support....

[20:15:14]

SlicerDicer-:

sucks to be in the UK

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stuarta:

so not even amd x2 will do it....

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stuarta:

don't worry, they'll roll it out elsewhere since it saves them about 30% bandwidth

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bulio|:

would that be good

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stuarta:

less b/w per channel = more channels = more money...

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bulio|:

or this:

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bulio|:

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/Search . . . &CatId=0

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SlicerDicer-:

stuarta: that blows chunks man

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bulio|:

anyone?

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stuarta:

i'm keeping my fingers crossed for better hardware support....

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SlicerDicer-:

ewww via chipset :/

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Rule:

hehe was going to say the same

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Rule:

then I realised all my frontends run on epia boards :P

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fer2:

hello

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fer2:

Anyone here uses a s100 as myth frontend ?

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SlicerDicer-:

stuarta: http://www.nvidia.com/page/purevideo_support.html ?

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Rule:

what's an s100 ?

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medwards:

hey guys does anyone know how/where MythWeather pulls its data?

[20:20:22]

medwards:

it really blows right now.. sometimes 2 days out of date or providing obviously incorrect current weather data.

[20:20:40]

Rule:

mythweather has never been very useful outside the US imho

[20:20:46]

Anduin:

medwards: Everyone is just waiting for the SoC stuff post 0.20

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stuarta:

SlicerDicer-: the bitch is getting driver support :)

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SlicerDicer-:

hehe

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bulio|:

what is a good tv tuner card?

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** stuarta pokes Beirdo **

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medwards:

SoC?

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SlicerDicer-:

stuarta: your right

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bulio|:

looking for a good brand, compatible with *nix

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SlicerDicer-:

stuarta: nvidia linux stuffs has pure video support but it lacks h264

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Beirdo:

hmmm?

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Anduin:

medwards: In other words, yes, MythWeather currently sucks, it will be fixed, but not in 0.20.

[20:23:03]

medwards:

OK

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medwards:

Still curious what SoC stands for

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Anduin:

medwards: Google's Summer of Code

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bulio|:

anybody =P

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medwards:

ohhh

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stuarta:

Beirdo: how's gputrans these days?

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bulio|:

ATI All-In-Wonder Radeon X800XT / 256MB GDDR3 / AGP 8x / TV-Tuner / Video Card?

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medwards:

How are those guys working out?

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stuarta:

bulio|: avoid ATI all in wonders like the plague...

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Anduin:

medwards: and the weather data is a mix of MSNBC and TWC I believe

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Beirdo:

trying to figure how to shove the denoise algorithm into the GPU

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SlicerDicer-:

stuarta: must be the way of protecting the HDTV streams is by making them unplayable

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SlicerDicer-:

lol

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Beirdo:

and then I got busy with stuff, you know how it goes

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stevenm:

Hello. What is the status of 0.20? Or, which branch/whatever has the new menu system?

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bulio|:

Do I need a graphics card, or just a tuner?

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** SlicerDicer- bows to the Beirdo **

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stuarta:

:)

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Anduin:

medwards: I don't know, didn't follow too closely.

[20:25:09]

stuarta:

stevenm: now() + 2 weeks.

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stuarta:

give or take 3 weeks

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stuarta:

bulio|: one of each

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Anduin:

Now, it is always in two weeks, keeps it simple.

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stuarta:

i like the formula :)

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bulio|:

Kworld TV-MCE 200 Deluxe TV Tuner with Remote

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bulio|:

that a decent one?

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Anduin:

steven: SVN head will eventually be 0.20

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stuarta:

bulio|: where are you and what have you got? cable, satellite etc etc...

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bulio|:

cable

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bulio|:

and a standard CRT TV, no HDTV

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stuarta:

analog or digital?

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geemark:

Anduin: I just updated from svn, and already it identifies itself as 0.20

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bulio|:

analog I believe

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bulio|:

not sure how to tell

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stuarta:

geemark: these things have to be done before the release :)

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stevenm:

aah cool, so if I grab SVN it should be already 0.20 ?

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Anduin:

geemark: Yes, Bruce Markey check that in yesterday, just prep work.

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stuarta:

stevenm: no, it's 0.20rc1

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bulio|:

ok, how about this

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stevenm:

stuarta, well yea, close enough

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bulio|:

are any of the barebones kits a good buy?

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beavis:

OT: what's a good RSS reader for gnome?

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stevenm:

for me, all but two themes render their recording lists PAINFULLY slowly

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bulio|:

I'm looking for as cheap as I can get

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bulio|:

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/catego . . . asp?CatId=31

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stevenm:

and they're all about equally graphically intense

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bulio|:

but with still some quality

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bulio|:

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/Search . . . mp;CatId=336

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bulio|:

that one looks promising

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Rule:

stuarta: getting logs finally :)

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Rule:

took me long enough :/

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jenn`:

is there a secret to getting mythtv working with alsa? I set audio to ALSA:default and the mixer to default in mythtv-setup. Still no sound. Tvtime gets sound just fine though.

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kormoc:

jenn`, mythfrontend supports alsa, mythbackend/mythtv-setup only supports oss

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jenn`:

ummm

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jenn`:

mythfrontend has to be used in conjunction with mythbackend I thought?

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jenn`:

I use mythtv-setup to put in setting slike what sound device to use, then I use mythfrontend to watch tv...

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magneticubuntu:

guys how can i manually remove a deb package?

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kormoc:

jenn`, mythfrontend also has a place to define the playback device

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kormoc:

jenn`, it defaults to /dev/dsp

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jenn`:

well wherever the settings are (i looked through both)

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jenn`:

i changed it to ALSA:default

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jenn`:

maybe i changed it in mythfrontend then, if it's not in mythtv-seutp

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stevenm:

Is SVN supposed to build with QT3 or 4?

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kormoc:

jenn`, yes, but the backend does *not* work with alsa, so if you set it in the backend, that would be why you get no sound

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kormoc:

stevenm, qt3 only

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stevenm:

kormoc, aah explains that.

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jenn`:

yes, your right...i did it in myhtfrontend. sorry

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kormoc:

jenn`, okay, now, your mixer could be muted or similar, did you check via alsamixer or similar?

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jenn`:

tvtime works, so alsa/mixer/drivers are fine

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kormoc:

not really, tv-time just passes the audio though the soundcard and right out

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jenn`:

what does mythtv do differently that I need to be looking for then?

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kormoc:

myth captures the sound from the soundcard, writes it to the drive and then plays it back like a sound file

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kormoc:

you need to check the capture settings, it's covered in the mythtv documentation

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jenn`:

i went through that...thats why i'm here now

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jenn`:

whatever I did as a result of that didn't work out

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jenn`:

and when I looked at the section (in gentoo-wiki) on there being no sound while using ALSA, it said to use the ALSA:default thing...and it still doesn't work

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stevenm:

How would I specify to Configure the QT path?

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JohnRobert:

my distro didn't include a lircrc.example in it's packages...does anyone know where I can get one from?

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JohnRobert:

I googled with no joy

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gardengnome:

JohnRobert: svn.mythtv.org -> "browse source"

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gardengnome:

JohnRobert: and file a bug about that package.

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JohnRobert:

cheers

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bulio|:

is this a nice case for a PVR?

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bulio|:

<bulio|> http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/Search . . . &CatId=0

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kormoc:

bulio|, no it's butt ugly and thus, no good for a PVR of any sort

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fysa:

depends on what power supplies are available/fit

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fysa:

haha

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fysa:

that too.

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bulio|:

ThermalTake / TR2 W0090 / 470-Watt / ATX 2.0 / 120mm Fan / 20/24-Pin / SATA-Ready Power Supply

[20:56:45]

bulio|:

I'm thinking of installing that one

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fysa:

is it silent/quiet?

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Rule:

470Watt wooo

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fysa:

http://www.pcalchemy.com/index.php/cName/htpc . . . 4673f93e4f6b

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Rule:

:-)

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fysa:

I hate to keep pushing the same site, but they have the best selection of HTPC cases I've seen still.

[20:57:41]

fysa:

(maybe I should see if they're hiring .. ;))

[20:57:58]

kormoc:

or at least get a referral bonus :P

[20:58:03]

fysa:

no kidding.

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bulio|:

Rule: good PSU?

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Rule:

I dunno... sounds powerful enough to power my fridge

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kormoc:

I run a 250 watt ps in my mythbox

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Rule:

same

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fysa:

350 watt here and I wouldn't want to go any higher really..

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fysa:

(AMD 64)

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Rule:

it's so quiet I thought it was broken until I saw that the fan was spinning

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Rule:

which is nice

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bulio|:

so PVRs dont need to high of a PSU

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bulio|:

Powmax 400-Watt PSU

[21:00:36]

bulio|:

Powmax / LP-6100D / 400-Watt / ATX / Dual 80mm Fa

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bulio|:

hows that?

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Juski:

400 Watts of made-up power.. heheh

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stuarta:

like stereo's rated in PMPO :)

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bulio|:

Juski: so its fine

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Juski:

or Dixons power as I call it

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fer2:

Juski: hello.

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fer2:

Juski: i'd like to speak with you about the s100

[21:02:18]

Juski:

help!

[21:02:27]

Juski:

naw.. what dya wanna know?

[21:02:27]

** stuarta lobs Juski a beer **

[21:02:37]

Juski:

cheers stuarta :)

[21:02:39]

fer2:

Juski: can you provide me a bios dump from the s100?

[21:02:53]

fer2:

I'd like to test that on a msntv2

[21:02:53]

Juski:

fer2: quick answer... no

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Juski:

why?

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fysa:

bulio: The power rating just doesn't really matter here. Do some research and read reviews about which PSUs are quiet/silent..

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bulio|:

is this a good tuner?

[21:04:05]

bulio|:

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/Search . . . mp;CatId=319

[21:04:20]

bulio|:

or is it just a graphics card with TV-out

[21:04:28]

Juski:

bulio: as I said earlier it's not easy to build a pc suitable for your livingroom for such little money

[21:04:50]

Rule:

what's the budget ?

[21:04:54]

fer2:

Juski: I need look at the s100 bios, in order to tweak the msntv2's very limited bios...

[21:04:56]

bulio|:

$600 max

[21:05:21]

Juski:

fer2: leave it with me & I'll see what I can do

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Anduin:

fer2: What are you planning?

[21:06:34]

fer2:

remove the cf partition limitation...

[21:07:08]

Juski:

fer2: the s100 BIOS is weird anyway.. if the IDE/USB disks change between powerups it can screw the boot order

[21:07:59]

fer2:

Juski: the msntv2 bios repartitions your hd if you change it..... how's that for a treat !

[21:08:11]

Juski:

ugh

[21:08:20]

Juski:

that sucks even more than the s100 BIOS.. lol

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fer2:

Juski: thisis one of the hidden "bonus" in that bios...

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Anduin:

It is entirely natural for it to do so.

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fer2:

Juski: send me a private chat. thanks.

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JohnRobert:

I'm having trouble getting mythtv to pay attention to my remote control...the remote is set up and working fine with irw...I've configured /home/mythtv/.lircrc , yet nothing is happening in mythtv. The logs aren't saying anything useful either...have I missed something?

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Anduin:

JohnRobert: it is ~/.mythtv/lircrc

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JohnRobert:

ah

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Anduin:

JohnRobert: Most people just symlink them

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JohnRobert:

this doc is incorrect:

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JohnRobert:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-8.html

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JohnRobert:

"rather than "ChannelUp" and "ChannelDown". I added the following to my /home/[yourusername]/.lircrc file:"

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Anduin:

JohnRobert: No, it is accurate for irxevent

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JohnRobert:

ah, ok :p

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Anduin:

JohnRobert: I just assume people want the native version.

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JohnRobert:

hmm

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JohnRobert:

so if lirc support is compiled in

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JohnRobert:

how can I map my remote keys to mythtv's buttons?

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Anduin:

JohnRobert: same steps

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JohnRobert:

what would prog = be?

[21:16:54]

JohnRobert:

mythtv?

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Anduin:

yup

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JohnRobert:

fab, cheers

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fer2:

Anyone here has a s100 ?!?

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Juski:

fer2: I told you wait until tomorrow I'll have the BIOS dump then. take it or leave it

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Juski:

there are 2 people who come in here who I know of, who have an s100.. and I'm one of them

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gardengnome:

don't give me that look

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Aid`:

i have SkyStar2, does that help?

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Aid`:

Juski: i am so close to figuring out how to get skystar2 dvb card to work on USA sats

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Juski:

anyway how do I get a BIOS dump out of a box? are there linux tools to do that?

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medwards:

JUSKI

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medwards:

heh

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Aid`:

I have a sort of offtopic question about Xine-- do i need any special plugins to run a DVB broadcast? or should xine jsut be fine?

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JohnRobert:

LircClient warning: attempt to convert 'Key W CurrentWindow' to a key sequence failed. Fix your key mappings. << can anyone elaborate on this message for me – how would I go about 'fixing my key mappings' ?

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Juski:

JohnRobert: that'd just be 'W'. see an example lircrc file for details

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Anduin:

JohnRobert: Sorry, the key syntax is myth specific

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gardengnome:

JohnRobert: look at a *nativelirc* file...

[21:27:03]

JohnRobert:

I got the lircrc.example from the svn repo

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gardengnome:

yeah, one for irxevent...

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Juski:

wow I can just dd /dev/mem to a file? nifty-o-so :)

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JohnRobert:

lircd.conf.example is that the one I want?

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JohnRobert:

:p

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JohnRobert:

no

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gardengnome:

no.

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Aid`:

Is mythtv DVB-s support specific to European and wont work on USA sats?

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GreyFoxx:

Aid`: Most US broadcasts areencrypted

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JohnRobert:

ah, I wanted one of these native ones

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GreyFoxx:

But , there are FTA channelsdepending on what you are pointing to

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Aid`:

GreyFoxx: i found ones i want

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Aid`:

but i can't seem to tune into any of them on linux

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GreyFoxx:

I use to record several FTA channels, but I haven't put the dish back of after redooing the roof

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Aid`:

are you USA?

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GreyFoxx:

Canada

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Aid`:

KU-BANd lnb?

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GreyFoxx:

nope, at least not that I'm aware of

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GreyFoxx:

same lnb as dishnet provides down there

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GreyFoxx:

As for the sat, I don't know which it was. The dish was there when I nbought the house

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GreyFoxx:

I just scanned it and used the FTA channels I found :)

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Aid`:

did you get WB channels, UPN, a fox, and some spanish channels?

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JohnRobert:

woot, we have remote access

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JohnRobert:

:)

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GreyFoxx:

nope, but I've seen some ku-band lists that list those as fta

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Aid`:

yeah i get those just fine on Windows with this DVB-S card but i can't seem to get anythin to work on linux :(

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Aid`:

I can get them all scanned in with dvbscan if i do the parameter -l with the option 10750 (ku band LOF). but none of the tuning programs let me specify the -l

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Juski:

so hey fer2 do you want this bios dump or not?

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GreyFoxx:

Aid`: You might wanna mail the lists, someone might know

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gr00ve:

can anyone point me toward the best( performance / driver support ) nvidia agp card for hdtv / mythtv? i'll be going rgb(vga15 pin) into lcd hdtv

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Aid`:

mail the lists?? what?

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fer2:

Juski: if you actually want to colaborate in the s100/msntv2 development, send me a private chat.

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GreyFoxx:

Aid`: The myth mailing lists

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GreyFoxx:

specifically mythtv-users

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Aid`:

oh okay

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Zider:

flac-ripping 50 cd's are bothersome :P

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Juski:

bah forget it then

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Aid`:

GreyFoxx: what kind of FTa channels could you get?

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Juski:

ah to hell with it. off to the cupboard to dig out my s100. tell me what to do

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stuarta:

given up on that already?

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sigger:

bulio: still around?

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Juski:

given up? finished with more like :)

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stuarta:

got bored with :)

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fer2:

Juski: were you talking to me?

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JohnRobert:

ok, I have a question... why is that when I start mythfrontend using xubuntu's auto start thing for xfce, the remote control doesn't work, but if I start it normally it does?

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gardengnome:

focus issues i'd say...

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JohnRobert:

yes

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JohnRobert:

you're probably right

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Juski:

heh. nothing doing with the s100 tonight at least.. can't find the USB stick for it

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Juski:

found it! in business

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Juski:

now fer2: tell me what to do & I'll get the BIOS out

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fer2:

boot into dos, and use uniflash...

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JohnRobert:

gardengnome, makes no difference

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JohnRobert:

:/

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JohnRobert:

I was doing mythfrontend &

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JohnRobert:

I got rid of the &, but it's the same

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JohnRobert:

:/

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Juski:

boot into dos? lol. no floppy drives in this house man

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fer2:

you can use a usb boot disk...

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Juski:

oh man that sounds like a lot of work for 11pm. can it not just be dd'd out?

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Juski:

I've seen pages on extracting a VGA bios with dd...

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fer2:

let me see.

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GreyFoxx:

yeah, dd if=/dev/mem offset=blahblah

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GreyFoxx:

I've extracted and put in place VGA bioses with that heh

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JohnRobert:

dd ftew

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JohnRobert:

fte

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JohnRobert:

soz

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JohnRobert:

ftw

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Juski:

ftw?

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fer2:

(the easyest way is to use a drdos iso from http://www.biosmods.com/download.php and dd that to a usb disk... then place uniflash inside, and reboot...)

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Anduin:

Juski: for the win (I just realized this the other day)

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Zider:

for teh win

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Zider:

;)

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gardengnome:

for teh world! too

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JohnRobert:

gah

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JohnRobert:

where abouts does mythfrontend tend to keep it's logs?

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fer2:

Juski: to use dd I need to know the address the bios is at .

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Anduin:

JohnRobert: stdout, your packager may put them elsewhere

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Juski:

fer2: surely it's just 0000 to whatever

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Anduin:

It isn't

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Juski:

well in that case we're out of luck. I've no spare usb sticks

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Juski:

oops. lying again... I do have one

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fer2:

Juski: try this first: dd bs=64k skip=15 count=1 if=/dev/mem of=bios.bin

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evilDagmar:

Uncompressed BIOS images are nearly useless

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jon_:

anyone around to field a mythweb question?

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bakkkk:

hey guys, I just installed mythtv by compiling it on ubuntu and now when i go to run mythtv-setup it says mythtv-setup: error while loading shared libraries: libmythtv-0.19.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. After looking for the file libmythtv-0.19.so.0 I found it in /usr/local/lib...so what do i have to do to get myth to find it

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jonK:

bakkkk: create a file titled /etc/ld.so.conf

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jonK:

the only line should be "/usr/local/lib"

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jonK:

after creating run "ldconfig"

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bakkkk:

jonK: thanks a lot!

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jonK:

anyone around to field a mythweb question?

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jonK:

meh....

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Juski:

jonK: just ask a question

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jonK:

when I first point a browser at mythweb, I get a blank screen and a "transfering data...." message

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jonK:

this goes on until i hit the reload button, at which time I get the mythweb front page

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jonK:

any thoughts?

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cooolie:

hey everyone, I just built mythtv and im getting an error saying unable to connect to database. I dont think ive created the mysql database its looking for but I'm not sure how to. Does anyone know where its explained how to setup the database for myth?

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jonK:

again... meh...

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jonK:

built from source coolie?

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cooolie:

yeah

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cooolie:

mysql was not built from source though

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jonK:

that part does not matter

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Juski:

cooolie: the official docs cover that

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jonK:

you need to cd to the mythtv source code directory

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jonK:

cd to the directory database

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jonK:

and do "mysql < mc.sql"

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jonK:

and do check the official docs about setting privileges to something reasonable

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Krazylegz:

Hola.

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PuShPoP:

Where would /mythweb/date/recordings be located?

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kormoc:

oh my gawd, the Krazylegz is back!

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Krazylegz:

On noes!!!

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Krazylegz:

I just came in here to whine and beg for help with my Mythbox.

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Krazylegz:

Oh, and one other reason...

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Krazylegz:

!trout kormoc

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** MythLogBot slaps kormoc with a trout on behalf of Krazylegz... **

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nero:

you gonna take that kormoc??

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PuShPoP:

I just got this months version of Maximum PC and they have a article about MythTV = )

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Zider:

cool

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** kormoc stabs Krazylegz **

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Krazylegz:

My eyes!

[23:47:14]

Krazylegz:

Hmm. So I want to grab the stuff off of my Mythbox and back it up before I move it all to Gentoo. This is not going to be fun, is it.

[23:47:23]

LabMonkey:

SaveStargateSG1.com

[23:47:25]

** MythLogBot slaps Krazylegz with a with a knife trout on behalf of kormoc... **

[23:47:26]

LabMonkey:

for those that don't know

[23:47:42]

** MythLogBot slaps Krazylegz with a knife trout on behalf of kormoc... **

[23:47:51]

Krazylegz:

Benglish.

[23:47:57]

Juski:

awww KillStargateSG1.com doesn't exist yet

[23:48:15]

Zider:

ofcourse not

[23:48:26]

Zider:

they're about to go into guiness

[23:48:33]

nero:

Gotta love those knife trouts..

[23:48:50]

Juski:

PuShPoP: which Maximum PC magazine?

[23:49:12]

Zider:

LabMonkey: you mean about scifi channel?

[23:49:42]

PuShPoP:

October 2006

[23:50:00]

** nero never understood magazine release dates.. **

[23:50:05]

PuShPoP:

it compares all the diffrent Media Center Software

[23:50:20]

Juski:

PuShPoP: eew. so mythtv came bottom?

[23:50:20]

LabMonkey:

Zider: yes

[23:50:34]

LabMonkey:

anyone know the status of the mythtv windows port?

[23:50:42]

LabMonkey:

from the SoC project that is

[23:50:49]

Juski:

lol

[23:50:51]

Zider:

LabMonkey: yeah that's a shame.. hope they found some other good chan for it..

[23:51:10]

kormoc:

LabMonkey, the best indicator is to look at the commit log for that branch

[23:51:13]

PuShPoP:

"Linux experts only! MythTV is powerful software, but it's extremely difficult to set up and configure especially if you're not versed in linux"

[23:51:17]

PuShPoP:

That was ther opinion on it

[23:51:26]

Juski:

lol

[23:51:39]

Juski:

I wasn't a linux expert when I got myth working – and I STILL ain't

[23:51:53]

Juski:

though compared to the average windows user maybe I am ;-)

[23:52:00]

PuShPoP:

I'm new to linux as well, thanks to the people here I got it working =P

[23:52:14]

PuShPoP:

http://www.ahanix.com/products/mce/mce_701.php

[23:52:16]

Zider:

I was a linux expert, now I'm not anymore due to wasted time with watching movies thru myth )

[23:52:17]

PuShPoP:

drools

[23:52:21]

Zider:

;)

[23:52:29]

PuShPoP:

lol

[23:52:51]

PuShPoP:

The evaluate the latest and greated Media center hardware too

[23:52:53]

LabMonkey:

Zider: Quoting Mr. Pryor from the SciFi channel, "Stargate SG-1 will not continue as a series on US television."

[23:52:54]

Juski:

ooo another fugly big case

[23:52:54]

PuShPoP:

some nice cases

[23:53:02]

PuShPoP:

Juski you seen better?

[23:53:06]

Anduin:

LabMonkey: Not well is a good summary.

[23:53:06]

Juski:

plenty

[23:53:18]

PuShPoP:

it has a 7" LCD Touchscreen all for 300$

[23:53:32]

Juski:

how much room do you guys have under your TV anyway? sheesh

[23:53:33]

Zider:

LabMonkey: screw US, just get it on any channel :D

[23:53:36]

kormoc:

PuShPoP, it's just big, tis all

[23:53:42]

nero:

whats the need for a touchscreen on a HTPC case?

[23:53:49]

nero:

I never understood that one..

[23:53:52]

kormoc:

nero, to throw things at!

[23:53:53]

PuShPoP:

Looks mostly I assume

[23:53:56]

LabMonkey:

kormoc: is there a cvs/svn viewer for mythtv somewhere online?

[23:53:58]

Juski:

no bloody good for mythtv, those touchscreens

[23:53:59]

nero:

something to entice me to get my butt off the sofa or something?

[23:54:00]

PuShPoP:

to make your friends jelous

[23:54:04]

kormoc:

don't like the channel, toss a can of beer

[23:54:06]

kormoc:

LabMonkey, yes

[23:54:23]

LabMonkey:

Zider: "screw US" = subconciously ignoring you now

[23:54:25]

kormoc:

LabMonkey, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/log/branches/windows-port

[23:54:29]

LabMonkey:

kormoc: thanks

[23:54:39]

PuShPoP:

Juski link me to a nice case..

[23:54:44]

nero:

"Hey guys.. look at this- I have all this technology, but still like to get up, walk across the room, and control my mythbox from the front of the box.. remotes were soooo 2005"

[23:54:45]

PuShPoP:

I am looking to pick 1 up

[23:54:58]

PuShPoP:

lol nero

[23:55:40]

PuShPoP:

Only thing I can get working on MythTV is the ability to stream my recorded programs via mythweb

[23:55:43]

PuShPoP:

cant*

[23:55:54]

Zider:

LabMonkey: ok, screw U.S. then, not screw us.. ;D

[23:56:01]

Juski:

PuShPoP: I don't go for all-in-one-box solutions and I'm STILL looking for a case which has an IR window on the _front_

[23:56:16]

PuShPoP:

i C

[23:56:39]

kormoc:

PuShPoP, that's cause mythweb doesn't stream (yet)

[23:56:57]

** nero prefers to just throw a hard drive, motherboard, etc, together and balance it on top of the TV.. **

[23:57:01]

PuShPoP:

O lol, I was going crazy trying to figure it out....

[23:57:01]

PuShPoP:

is that true

[23:57:04]

nero:

with a little bit of duct tape for security..

[23:57:34]

Juski:

noisy, cheap big box upstairs, wired 100mbit LAN, silent small footprint frontend in the livingroom

[23:57:46]

kormoc:

PuShPoP, yes, there's a good bit of code that needs to be written before it will stream. Currently, all it can offer is http downloads

[23:58:15]

Juski:

and wtf is it with all these 'htpc' cases with audio sockets at the FRONT? fucking useless

[23:58:20]

nero:

2 more minutes, and I have to go do laundry.. ugh..

[23:58:23]

PuShPoP:

kormoc: thanks for the info, regardless I cant even dl the file via mythweb..

[23:58:37]

nero:

Juski, thats for that "lots of wires" look everyone is going for.

[23:58:42]

Juski:

ahhh

[23:58:44]

Juski:

;-)

[23:58:54]

Juski:

well I'm going to bed

[23:58:58]

PuShPoP:

good night

[23:58:59]

nero:

g'night..

[23:59:04]

Juski:

g'night

[23:59:05]

nero:

one more minute..

[23:59:15]

nero:

please let a meteor hit the earth or something, to get me out of laundry..

[23:59:25]

PuShPoP:

wow that bad huh

[23:59:42]

LabMonkey:

nero: I've considered a touchscreen case before with the idea that I could use it for one or more backend boxes and have status info displayed interactively on the touchscreen

[23:59:44]

nero:

Yeah.. I HATE it..

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