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Current users (152):

adante, Agrajag-, Aid, akaias, alsoconfused, Anduin, AndyCap, AngryElf_, antiPosix, armand, arune, bagpuss_thecat, Beirdo, benc-, bjohnson_, briand, Captain_Murdoch, CCFL_Man, ChanServ, chicken|work, Cougar, cout_, crabstic, cronicus, Dagmar, dasOp, dev, Diabolic, Dibblah, dopez, epoch, evilDagmar, evil_andy, Faithful, fish__, flatronf701B, flindet_, Fnc, fogdog, fury_, fysa, GiantPickle, grantm, gregg_, greg_, GreyFoxx, groogs, hads_, hads|home, hatredx, Hoxzer, j-rod, j-rod_, Jambi, jammyd, jams, janneg, jasta, jcsmith, jk1joel, john1, JohnQ, joshno, k-man_, kavorka^, KaZeR, Kelerion, Kobaz, kormoc, kothog, KraMer, kurre2_, KyleAnderson, LabMonkey, ldam, Led-Hed, lilo, linagee, lnx^, lu, mace, Madkiss, malverian, medwards, Mellman, Merlin83b, mishehu, mk500, MooingLemur, mubix, MythLogBot, neddy, Nem^, nero, nero_office, NightMonkey, nomego, Notorious, nuonguy, opello, o_cee, pac1, phatmonkey, pigeon, pimpministerp, poonj, prg3, pridkett, psi_, psofa, Puh, pushpop-, qu0zl, radi0head, RaYmAn-Bx, remedy, rikstah, roger55, russellb, Ryushin, sc00p, schultmc, scott__, Scuzzle, Sedorox, sigger, sigger_, simcop2387, SlicerDicer, SlicerDicer-, somegeek, sphery, Spida, splAt1, sslashes, Steak, Terr1, test34, tfm, tkaine, tkooda, tomimo_, topping, trevor, Tronic, tstm, tyce, xris, yz, Zambezi, Zider, [PUPPETS]Gonzo
Friday, August 25th, 2006, 00:02 UTC
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[00:03:43] quink: evening
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[00:12:29] Juski: lol. mythweather thinks it's wednesday tomorrow again
[00:13:37] Sebulba02: Thu Aug 24 20:13:28 EDT 2006 , uhhh
[00:15:48] Juski: well I fixed weather-ui.xml at last. funny nobody complained it was broken
[00:16:00] Juski: goes to show how many people using pg-wide use mythweather
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[00:16:35] Sebulba02: I found mythweather almost impossible to use, the selector thing was impossible to see what was selected
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[00:16:44] Juski: eh?
[00:16:57] Sebulba02: could just be the theme I'm using too
[00:17:37] Juski: GreyFoxx: just so's you know. I'm almost done now I think :)
[00:18:26] jams: Juski- good call just grabbing the filter section from another theme
[00:18:35] Juski: barring any other changes to the ui of course
[00:19:10] Juski: jams: this 'animation' stuff which is possible in 0.20... whats the scope of it do you know? I mean are there examples I could play with?
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[00:19:37] Juski: like I don't have enough on my plate... but it's all good
[00:19:45] jams: only thing I know of is making things pulse
[00:19:51] jams: things=background
[00:19:58] jams: and thats in base.xml
[00:20:06] Juski: pulsing background? wha?
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[00:20:55] Juski: I had this idea for making looped videos to play in the back of menus
[00:21:35] Juski: apparently geexbox's menu background is a still AVI :-O
[00:21:54] Juski: so a workmate told me anyway
[00:22:03] jams: I see
[00:22:18] jams: I couldn't stand the pulsing stuff so I turned it off
[00:22:32] jams: or made it pulse from 1 to 1
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[00:22:55] Juski: and this base.xml is what my theme was missing I gather.. hence the vanishing theme elements in the GL gui
[00:23:27] Juski: I never followed that up with xris actually. this could now be a serious problem for me
[00:24:32] Juski: I got into a discussion earlier about 'developers' and 'obligation'. almost made an ass of myself there. But yeah I feel obliged to fix stuff
[00:24:57] jams: some stuff yes
[00:25:15] jams: others, send me the patch and I will apply it
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[00:27:33] Juski: hrm I can do the cleanup tomorrow. maybe fix mythphone's ui.xml too.. I might even have time to theme mytharchive
[00:28:32] Juski: I think I might've found a bug actually
[00:29:09] Juski: to test my --wide theme I had to scale the size of the UI.. when I did that, the bottom buttons in setup menus don't appear
[00:29:36] Sebulba02: I found shrinking my text size fixed that
[00:29:39] Juski: the size I used is 800x450
[00:29:58] Juski: thing is – everything else fits on screen
[00:30:12] Juski: there's a gap at the bottom where the buttons should be
[00:30:30] Sebulba02: oh
[00:30:41] ** jams will be impressed if you can finish mytharchive tomorrow **
[00:30:49] Sebulba02: maybe they aren't anchored to the right side?
[00:32:02] Sebulba02: whoa, major power strike
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[00:33:20] Juski: hmmm. I should fgrep recursively to find all the .png filenames, then delete the ones I don't find whose names don't begin with trans-
[00:34:24] ** Juski makes a tarball **
[00:35:08] ** Sebulba02 throws in some feathers. **
[00:35:28] evilDagmar: Or you could just use find
[00:36:44] Juski: ah to hell with it. it's too late in the day for this now
[00:37:15] Sebulba02: this can't be good
[00:37:41] Juski: evilDagmar: the point would be to delete only the files not referenced in the .xml files ;) (and those not beginning with trans-)
[00:37:46] Sebulba02: my cablebox keeps resetting itself..
[00:42:05] evilDagmar: Juski: Well, blowing away files that end in .png but don't start with trans- is pretty straightforward with find
[00:42:16] evilDagmar: Ooo Ubuntu actually broke their X? Cool...
[00:44:31] evilDagmar: By the way, who else thinks Feedback is undergoing some kind of psychotic break
[00:44:52] Juski: evilDagmar: yes but.. ahh nm
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[01:20:42] fogdog: hi
[01:22:06] quink: hi
[01:23:33] fogdog: i'm buying a video card..
[01:24:05] fogdog: how well do the new nVidia cards work under Linux/MythTV? Specifically the 7900 or 7950 model.
[01:24:14] fogdog: http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.j . . . tCode=326045
[01:24:24] fogdog: http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.j . . . tCode=321994
[01:24:54] fogdog: er, not 7950 sorry.
[01:25:19] fogdog: is there a suggested video card at this time?
[01:31:47] quink: not sure.
[01:31:53] quink: latest i have is a 5200
[01:32:32] evilDagmar: fogdog: The thing to look at is whether or not they support video overlay
[01:32:36] evilDagmar: Some of the new ones don't
[01:32:49] evilDagmar: ...but if you've got a reasonably fast machine that's not going to matter anyway
[01:33:09] fogdog: i was going to get that AMD 3800 X2
[01:33:15] evilDagmar: If you weren't playin' games on it I'd just say get a 5200
[01:33:30] fogdog: well can i play games on the 5200?
[01:33:39] evilDagmar: Hahah
[01:33:44] evilDagmar: Old ones
[01:33:58] fogdog: yea, i want to play games. i'm tired of the bullshit i have now.
[01:34:27] evilDagmar: With that CPU anything nVidia makes with a s-video output will be fine
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[01:45:40] thebishop: is anyone familiar with Xbox Media Center?
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[01:48:30] d3ity-turion64: thebishop, i've heard of it, and I know it runs MythTV
[01:50:11] quink: any of oyu have trouble with fonts on themes?
[01:50:26] evilDagmar: Your display's DPI *must* be set to 100
[01:50:34] evilDagmar: It screws up *badly* if it's something other than 100
[01:50:39] quink: it is.
[01:50:48] evilDagmar: THen you shoudln't have a font problem
[01:51:05] quink: they just seem too big
[01:51:11] quink: and get cut off
[01:51:20] thebishop: d3ity-turion64 it doesn't run MythTV, it runs Mplayer
[01:51:20] Anduin: Very bad font substitution can make it bad as well.
[01:51:46] evilDagmar: quikn
[01:51:57] evilDagmar: quink: Are you using the default font?
[01:52:18] quink: yep
[01:52:27] quink: well i think
[01:52:30] quink: how do i check that out?
[01:54:28] evilDagmar: If you didn't *change* it, then you're using the default font.
[01:54:42] evilDagmar: ...and I really think you need to double-check that X thinks your DPI is what you claim it is.
[02:00:08] d3ity-turion64: thebishop, no, it'll run mythtv
[02:00:12] d3ity-turion64: mythtv on xbox is the shit
[02:01:37] d3ity-turion64: its the perfect platform for it
[02:01:48] d3ity-turion64: you should really look into mythtv on xbox
[02:02:10] evilDagmar: Pfft. Only if you're not bothered by slow encoding
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[02:03:45] d3ity-turion64: evilDagmar, it doesn't do that bad
[02:10:47] fysa: quink: DisplaySize ResolutionWidth/3.93 ResolutionHeight/3.93
[02:10:50] fysa: to nearest integer
[02:12:49] quink: fysa: its displaying at 1280x720, at least thats the display size set in xorg.conf
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[02:17:18] fysa: under Section "Monitor"
[02:17:27] fysa: I manually set:
[02:17:29] fysa: DisplaySize 325 183
[02:17:33] fysa: on my 720p display
[02:17:59] fysa: that fixed my font issues.
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[02:31:36] evilDagmar: quink: In other words you just assumed you knew what I was talking about when I said DPI? Run `xdpyinfo` and look for where it says what the DPI is for the display
[02:33:53] evilDagmar: quink: See http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Display_Size
[02:34:50] evilDagmar: ..also http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frequent . . . rect_this.3F
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[02:46:14] sigger_: anyone have the vaguest notion how long mythmusic will take to do an initial read of about 12,000 mp3 files?
[02:48:19] evilDagmar: It depends on too many things.
[02:48:24] evilDagmar: Go out and have a drink.
[02:49:52] quink: DISPLAY=:0.0 xdpyinfo | grep dots resolution: 100x100 dots per inch
[02:49:54] sigger_: 1% done in nearly 1 min 45 seconds, suggests 3 hours. of course, the large mp3s that it hasn't hit yet will make it longer
[02:49:57] quink: though i think i figured it out.
[02:50:10] quink: my big screen is only outputting 640 x480 or osmething wierd like that
[02:50:15] quink: instead of widescreen
[02:50:23] quink: so these widescreen themes don't look right
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[03:04:51] sigger_: is there a way to run the updating of music from command line so it could be run as a cron job?
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[03:14:42] ender224455: is there a way to use organize videos using folders? Everything I put in nested folders in the Videos section is listed under the main screen
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[03:18:33] sigger_: there's an option I believe
[03:20:53] ender224455: I got it, thanks
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[03:26:19] fysa: Leadership Goal (1% of salary):
[03:26:19] fysa: $2,250.00
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[03:43:27] RandomDude15: hey guys I need to know a good cheap ir blaster
[03:43:28] RandomDude15: to buy
[03:43:34] RandomDude15: like 12 bucks at the most
[03:43:36] RandomDude15: for myth
[03:43:41] RandomDude15: to work with my tv card
[03:43:48] RandomDude15: since the one on the pvr 150 obvsiouly... wont work
[03:45:08] evilDagmar: I've yet to see one for under $30
[03:45:13] evilDagmar: Maybe if you troll eBay or something
[03:45:27] evilDagmar: The parts themselves cost more than $12 after shipping is involved
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[04:02:00] RandomDude15: i thought i saw some site
[04:02:03] RandomDude15: selling em for 12 bucks
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[04:04:17] ** Gumby wonders if he is going blind or insane. Is there not somewhere that I can set the fast forward/rewind settings for when watching recorded tv? **
[04:05:17] ** Anduin bets on blind **
[04:05:59] Anduin: Gumby: Which version?
[04:06:22] Gumby: 0.19–5
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[04:10:09] Anduin: Gumby: You just want to change the jump amounts? Or something more specific?
[04:10:16] Gumby: just jump amounts
[04:10:29] Gumby: ah, I see
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[04:10:41] Gumby: its in the playback groups setttins
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[04:11:49] Gumby: whew, now that thats done I can head out :)
[04:12:00] Gumby: thx for looking for me
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[09:05:11] braniff: can mythtv play streaming internet audio ??
[09:06:25] Zider: yes, with an unofficial plugin
[09:08:03] Hoxzer: :( unofficial
[09:08:15] Hoxzer: does it compile with mythplugins?
[09:08:16] braniff: mythstream?
[09:08:26] Zider: mythstream yes
[09:08:30] Hoxzer: :O
[09:08:43] Zider: it compiles with the cvs
[09:09:35] ** braniff yum installs mythstream... **
[09:10:34] Zider: there's a package for it?
[09:11:09] braniff: yes heh
[09:11:28] ** braniff is as surprised as Zider **
[09:11:33] Zider: :D
[09:12:07] braniff: it comes with "Belgium Easy listening" preconfigured
[09:12:44] Zider: :P
[09:12:56] Zider: it should come with slay radio ;)
[09:13:21] braniff: there's one i haven't heard of
[09:13:41] Zider: c64 remixes
[09:13:47] Zider: and live shows :D
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[09:45:12] Hoxzer: :/
[09:45:28] Hoxzer: I thougth like 8mins why t
[09:45:42] Hoxzer: nwm
[09:46:00] Zider: huh?
[09:48:57] Hoxzer: :9
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[11:18:29] LLLyric: How does mythtv recording expiry work? Does it always expire on a schedule, or only when disk-space is under pressure?
[11:20:55] qu0zl: only when it's running low on diskspace by default anyway. Maybe you can tell it to expire by age too, i've not tried
[11:21:27] qu0zl: though i think livetv recordings might be auto-expired after a day or so, though i dunno why i've got that idea
[11:25:00] GreyFoxx: LiveTV expire after 24 hours by default (unless the recording is under 2 minutes, then it expires immediately), Otherwise stuff is expired if disk space is required OR if your recording full tells it to only keep X number of episodes and to go ahead and recording new ones but to delete the oldest
[11:25:59] GreyFoxx: For example my machine is told to recording a show anytime it is on, but to only keep 5 of them at any one time. Anytime a new one comes on it will record it but delete the oldest ensuring I only have 5 of them
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[11:33:31] Juski: afternoon
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[11:53:16] Hoxzer: :(
[11:53:18] Hoxzer: afternoon
[11:54:28] Juski: Hoxzer: I think you should change your nick to Morrissey
[11:54:46] Juski: it's FRIDAY! be happy :)
[11:55:19] ** Juski is training www::mechanize to be his new bitch **
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[12:31:12] Juski: yes! resolving postcode to mastnames & channel freqs !!! woohoo!
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[12:34:48] Zider: cool
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[12:47:13] antiPosix: say I am watching a program and I am 15 minutes into it. And suddenly my wife walks in and wants me to start it over. Is there a quick way of getting to the beginning?
[12:49:46] qu0zl: press 15 then left
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[12:55:04] Dibblah: Hi, stuarta. The behavior of that guy's CAM looks odd.
[12:55:55] stuarta: hi Dibblah. it's a bit odd. Yours still working?
[12:56:07] Dibblah: As long as the PMT is included in the filter, there's basically not a lot for the Myth code to do.
[12:56:46] Dibblah: The datastream is fed directly through the CAM, which should (given a good card) decrypt any encrypted streams.
[12:57:15] Dibblah: Mine is "special", so I don't exactly use the same code yet.
[12:57:15] stuarta: before we record it?
[12:57:21] Dibblah: Yup.
[12:57:41] Dibblah: The CAM can take a couple of seconds to start decrypting occasionally.
[12:58:02] stuarta: sure, they aren't the fastest bits of hardware around
[12:58:30] Dibblah: This should really be in the signal monitor, but it's a little bit harder since it might change mid-stream.
[12:59:14] Dibblah: Actually, the CAM can be quite a fast dedicated processor. The smartcard is the slow bit.
[13:00:30] Dibblah: Hopefully, with the new loopback adapter, I should be able to get back to using Myth without patches.
[13:02:41] Juski: $stream->get_tag("td");
[13:02:41] Juski: $BBC1 = $stream->get_trimmed_text("/td");
[13:02:49] Juski: oops
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[13:07:49] Dibblah: Juski: Hmmm... That's not in the XMLTV dtd ;)
[13:08:05] Juski: so?
[13:08:16] Dibblah: Screenscraping?
[13:08:17] Juski: that's in my script
[13:08:37] Dibblah: Looks like fun, anyway.
[13:08:57] Juski: I can either leave as is, and just parse a site with a form entry from the postcode, or I can make a whole huge bunch of file with everything in it
[13:09:13] Dibblah: There was something CLI that, given an XML doc and the DTD, you could parse it simply. Can't remember what it was :)
[13:09:31] poonj: fysa, are you there?
[13:09:46] Dibblah: But since it's html, it's a little pointless, I'd guess.
[13:09:53] Juski: WWW::Mechanise is my friend today
[13:10:00] Juski: ise/ize
[13:11:01] Zider: hm, I'm sure this has been asked a lot, but.. what's stopping mythtv from working with qt4?
[13:11:10] Dibblah: You don't happen to have anything that maps channel numbers for uk_rt, do you? :(
[13:11:25] Juski: working on that too actually
[13:11:36] Dibblah: Zider: Lack of QT4 in major distributions.
[13:11:44] Dibblah: Well, ones that matter, anyway ;)
[13:11:58] Juski: provider -> package -> channel (number, name)
[13:12:11] Dibblah: Juski: I got part of the way there... But both RT and Lyngsat lie :(
[13:12:24] Juski: Dibblah: depends on your provider every time
[13:12:34] Dibblah: Sky, of course.
[13:12:40] Zider: Dibblah: really? hm.. qt4 is even "stable" for gentoo.. so I need to watch the system upgrades so it doesn't pull in qt4 every time :P
[13:12:58] Juski: Sky change their channums more often than anyone else – but still not very often.
[13:13:11] Dibblah: Zider: Sorry – I meant to say "major sensible distributions" ;)
[13:13:32] Zider: Dibblah: *repeats sentence again*
[13:13:35] Zider: :P
[13:14:14] Dibblah: You haven't really looked at the portage manpage, have you?
[13:14:33] Juski: so Dibblah watch this space...
[13:14:36] Dibblah: (package.mask)
[13:14:44] Juski: and all other UK users too :)
[13:14:53] Zider: Dibblah: yes I have, and package.mask refuses to use <= for packages
[13:14:56] Dibblah: Cool. What are you using for your source?
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[13:21:39] Juski: Dibblah: for my source? postcode to tv region data tables turned into quasi-xml, then similar for tvprovider&package/channum info
[13:21:58] Dibblah: Ah. So Sky support?
[13:22:04] Juski: everything support
[13:22:11] Dibblah: Ooooh.
[13:22:22] Juski: all a bit hairy right now but it's just proof of concept stuff
[13:22:39] stuarta: I reckon Juski's addicted to perl now.
[13:22:52] Juski: does the job :)
[13:23:01] Dibblah: I only got as far as scraping http://www.radiotimes.com/ListingsServlet?eve . . . _details.jsp
[13:23:10] Juski: more fun than theming that's for sure
[13:23:27] Dibblah: ... Which allegedly gives you channel name / xmltvid / number matching.
[13:23:35] Juski: load menu, check, quit put, edit xml, go back into menu,
[13:23:49] Dibblah: But of course the channel name is not actually the same as is being broadcast.
[13:23:58] Juski: Dibblah: pleh. this'll be the real deal I hope
[13:24:31] Dibblah: Would be nice. I currently have a known-broken channel table that I don't have time to fix :(
[13:26:48] Juski: ./scraper m27
[13:26:48] Juski: Mast: Winter Hill BBC1:55 BBC2:62 ITV:59 C4:65 Ch5:
[13:27:07] Juski: damn right click
[13:27:48] Juski: won't be right in every case of course
[13:28:03] Juski: tempted to sack the analogue part of it anyway
[13:28:37] Juski: and the biggest part of the job is entering the data in the 1st place :-|
[13:29:11] Juski: might be time to roll plan A into action.. ask the -users list
[13:32:15] Dibblah: First time through, I cheated and OCRed the SkyGuide from the STB.
[13:32:31] Dibblah: Surprisingly good recognition.
[13:33:34] antiPosix: when I press 'I' twice during playback, the program info at the bottom is badly cutoff. I tried changing the font to small, 6 pts but I dont think it had any effect(setting was in the OSD section)
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[13:43:06] Dibblah: Ugh. Sonix is _annoying_. Datasheet == "Hardware integration guide". We write the drivers so You Don't Have To!
[13:43:27] Dibblah: But they're for Windows. I want Linux.
[13:43:32] Dibblah: Lin... What?
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[14:03:06] gbee: Dibblah: have fun, started my own driver for my webcam
[14:03:27] gbee: started with good intentions of learning how, even read the USB spec
[14:04:14] gbee: but then a guy who knew what he was doing joined the project and things accelerated beyond my understanding
[14:04:45] gbee: so now I'm just a hanger-on in my own project ;)
[14:04:50] Zider: hehe
[14:05:14] Dibblah: It says it's a jpeg camera. That should be easy, right ;)
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[14:05:45] Dibblah: Still got to get round to it. Which is the problem with all of my good intentions.
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[14:41:44] hatredx: xfs or resierfs4?
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[14:47:13] Arathald: need help with an audio problem — I'm using a hauppage WinTV Go, and every time MythTV is in "Watch TV" mode (and only then), my sound card outputs a loud buzzing sound. When I hook the speakers directly to the tuner card, the sound works fine (out of sync, of course). I already looked at the info about ground loops, and most of it isn't applicable, and a 3-pring to 2-prong adapter on my computer didnt help at all
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[14:57:42] hatredx: anyone played with or know a good doc on inode settings for xfs or something of the sort
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[15:33:33] Juski: bloody hell. so my ink cartridge wasn't empty.. prints in ubuntu came out funny colours, but they're fine in windows.  :-|
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[15:43:53] Zider: funny as in ha-ha or funny as in wtf?
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[15:46:25] Juski: funny as in 'wtf'
[15:46:39] Zider: ah
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[15:52:04] Juski: tried all the different drivers (all 2 of them).. no joy. B&W prints worked fine though
[15:54:46] JohnQ: probably a CMYK vs RGB thing.
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[15:59:07] Juski: oo good point JohnQ.. but I've given up on having a linux desktop for now
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[15:59:42] Zider: Juski: quitter ;P
[15:59:54] groogs: can anyone recommend a decent (and not $300) sound card that has SPDIF output that'll work with alsa/mythtv?
[16:00:20] Zider: I believe audigy is pretty decent
[16:00:22] groogs: Juski: are you using CUPS?
[16:01:04] groogs: Zider: yeah, i was kind of annoyed that you have to buy some extra dongle to get the actual SPDIF connector though
[16:01:17] Zider: groogs: really?
[16:01:21] Zider: hm
[16:01:38] groogs: http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp? . . . roduct=14257
[16:01:48] groogs: see the "digital i/o module" at the bottom
[16:02:29] groogs: looks like it plugs into a 3.5mm jack.. on the plus side, it does provide both coax and optical inputs and outputs..
[16:02:52] Zider: maybe I was thinking about audigy 2 or 4
[16:03:15] Zider: hm, obviously not 2
[16:04:13] groogs: same thing with the 4
[16:04:29] Zider: yeah.. :/
[16:04:55] Juski: groogs: yeh I was using CUPS. I figured it needed some colour management stuff or something
[16:05:01] Zider: luckily I have onboard audio that does the job pretty good ;)
[16:07:42] groogs: well i'm using onboard now, but i'm thinking of buying a dts receiver
[16:07:49] Juski: wooyeah got my postcode checker finding channel 5 now too...
[16:07:50] Juski: ./scraper M40
[16:07:50] Juski: Mast:Winter Hill BBC1:55 BBC2:62 ITV:59 C4:65 Ch5:48
[16:08:22] groogs: i'm FAIRLY sure that my mobo doesn't have spdif output....
[16:08:38] Zider: groogs: old?
[16:08:59] Juski: my SBLive doesn't have SPDIF in or out.. or rather it _didn't_ ;-)
[16:11:00] groogs: no its not that old, but it wasnt very expensive either.
[16:11:05] stuarta: later all, time to go home
[16:11:20] Juski: laters stuarta
[16:11:26] groogs: i actually can't even remember what it is. not sure if its even intel or amd.. :p
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[16:11:48] Juski: groogs: it might have a header on the board – loads do these days. sad thing is they never seem to supply the bracketry
[16:13:50] Zider: groogs: haha
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[16:14:17] Juski: scopeuk: :)
[16:15:01] Juski: scopeuk: do you know your local tv channel info? gimme your postcode & I'll get it for ya.. I need to test my new script some more
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[16:16:23] Zider: only uk?
[16:17:15] Juski: only UK cos that's the only info I have to hand
[16:17:28] Juski: other country data will have to be done by other people I'm afraid
[16:18:00] groogs: hm, well according to /proc/cpuinfo it's a celeron, and according to the place i bought it, the only mobo they have for celeron with onboard video does have an spdif header. so assuming it's the same one... cool :p
[16:18:20] Juski: download the manual, groogs, find the header pinout and voila!
[16:18:50] Dibblah: Ware the magical resistors, however.
[16:18:56] Juski: I think there are only a few different pinout standards so if you buy a bracket from your board maker you should be ok
[16:19:25] Dibblah: Since consumer equipment can require true SPDIF and verily release the magic smoke when given TTL.
[16:19:51] Juski: I think most outputs will be consumer level
[16:20:23] jams: you know the audigy didn't output at consumer levels
[16:20:35] jams: at least the audigy 2 didn't
[16:20:47] Juski: didn't it? ouch. My modified live does ;)
[16:20:48] Dibblah: Was that painful to discover?
[16:21:01] jams: Dibblah- yes for some it was
[16:21:07] jams: it was all over the avs forums
[16:21:18] Juski: I can't see it breaking anything though.. unless the thing you connect it to is badly designed
[16:21:45] Dibblah: Well, since consumer is specced at 0.6v...
[16:21:48] jams: well according the the forums it took out some receivers
[16:22:15] Juski: actually thinking about it a lot of consumer devices don't have any kind of overvoltage protection on their inputs
[16:23:33] Juski: at work we put wopping great diodes on the kit's video inputs to protect it from when outdoor cameras get struck by lightning.. sometimes even works
[16:23:44] Juski: you're safest with optical then :)
[16:24:30] Juski: just don't buy the gold-plated optical cables. they exist. no, really they do – I've seen them
[16:25:20] jams: no joke?
[16:26:04] Juski: seriously
[16:26:27] Juski: like that $1,200 'screened' mains cable
[16:26:42] Dibblah: http://www.nexxia.co.uk/Hi-Fi&TVaccessori . . . l_cables.htm
[16:26:46] Tronic: Juski: Well, the gold-plating should do its job equally well there too, right?
[16:26:58] Tronic: I.e. protect the metal casing from corrosion.
[16:27:03] Juski: Tronic: are you kidding?
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[16:27:10] groogs: Juski: lol, yeah i've seen those too
[16:27:14] jams: heh did it say "monster cable" on the box?
[16:27:31] groogs: actually i was in futureshop or some place like that, and overheard the sales guy talking people into buying them
[16:27:32] Tronic: (even though I don't understand why one would use metal casing on an optical cable in the first place)
[16:27:43] groogs: jams: yeah i'm pretty sure it was monster .. who else? :)
[16:28:47] groogs: argh, it does look like this header requires their pci bracket
[16:28:58] groogs: +5v spdif_out and ground ..
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[16:31:27] groogs: great, someone else complaining about not being able to find the spdif bracket for it. thats always been my experience with these things, you can never find anyone that actually sells the components the headers plug into
[16:31:48] fysa: the user manual usually has the pinout
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[16:33:10] CCFL_Man: damn batards who had this ip address before me abused it and got klined from efnet
[16:33:13] fysa: I just cut open a composite cable and wired it up. ;)
[16:33:13] slaine: Juski, Thanks for that XvMC wrapper tip last yesterday
[16:33:26] slaine: Am sorted, live tv taking up about 12%
[16:33:34] fysa: oo, I want XvMC wrapper tips
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[16:34:42] slaine: Go here then :) http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3031
[16:35:24] groogs: fysa: well like Dibblah was pointing out above, its probably a different signal on the mobo (TTL) .. so it probably has a small circuit to convert it to whatever normal spdif is.. since the header has 3 pins (+5v, spdif, and ground) this is probably the case..
[16:35:45] CCFL_Man: the adsl tunnel went dead around 4 in the morning and the carrier went dead around 8 in the morning
[16:36:03] groogs: so while it might work, it might also blow up my mobo and/or receiver
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[16:36:40] fysa: slaine: aha! "libXVMCNVIDIA.so". I only had "libXVMCNVIDIA". :P
[16:37:21] fysa: wait.
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[16:38:22] fysa: libXvMCNVIDIA_dynamic.so.1
[16:38:45] fysa: or: libXvMCNVIDIA.so.1.0.8762
[16:40:29] syamajala: hi
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[16:45:41] scopeuk: juski hi
[16:45:44] scopeuk: sorry wasa little afk
[16:46:08] scopeuk: Juski pmed post code
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[16:51:22] slaine: fysa, the plain .so should be a sym-link to the correct file
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[17:02:07] poonj: fysa, are you there?
[17:02:59] poonj: you can have an odd number of drives for a RAID-0?
[17:03:13] jams: sure you can
[17:03:15] poonj: okay..
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[17:03:18] poonj: just to mirror one drive
[17:03:37] jams: raid 0 is stripe not mirror
[17:04:16] poonj: whoops
[17:04:18] poonj: RAID 1 right?
[17:04:28] jams: raid 1 is mirror
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[17:04:41] kormoc: poonj, you can have a odd number of drives for raid-1 too
[17:04:45] kormoc: Master + 2 mirrors
[17:04:49] poonj: okay
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[17:04:58] poonj: so you just set the master drive and the number of mirros you want
[17:05:03] jams: or hotspare
[17:05:05] Kelerion: evening all
[17:05:08] kormoc: aye
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[17:17:09] Juski: Kelerion: I've got postcode to tv mast scraping working :)
[17:18:06] jams: poonj- part of that also is decided by your raid card or software
[17:18:47] ** Juski is gonna be wrapping up ProjectGrayhem 2.0 tonight :) **
[17:19:07] poonj: I'm doing a software RAID
[17:19:57] Juski: out on the pop tomorrow night. spendy bonus (-:
[17:20:30] kormoc: poonj, tho, if you're gonna be dealing with mirroring with 3+ disks, you might want to ponder raid-5 as well
[17:20:48] Juski: is telly really that vital?
[17:21:15] kormoc: I mirror my webserver! :P
[17:21:57] Juski: nobody I know would've had 2 vcrs to record the same show at the same time ;)
[17:22:01] scopeuk: so ati are out ofthe blocks with hdcp
[17:22:25] Juski: but still not out of the blocks in terms of Linux drivers. Go ATI
[17:22:42] scopeuk: yeh
[17:22:52] scopeuk: step in the right direction for home media though
[17:23:03] Juski: there's a rumour AMD are gonna make em open source parts of their drivers though. I hope it's true
[17:23:06] scopeuk: if ati do it it alwayus helps to nudge nvidia any way
[17:23:12] scopeuk: Juski be nice
[17:23:25] Juski: HDCP is never gonna make it onto Linux
[17:23:35] scopeuk: drm
[17:24:02] poonj: Kormoc, can you boot off of a software RAID 5?
[17:24:04] scopeuk: imsure we (the community) willgerry rig something
[17:24:18] Juski: well it'll never be opensourced... ergo will never make it into Linux proper
[17:24:29] kormoc: poonj, with a custom initrd yes
[17:24:31] scopeuk: dont go purist on me
[17:24:41] kormoc: poonj, and I do believe that fedora sets that up for you automagically?
[17:24:46] Juski: I'm being realistic, scopeuk
[17:24:49] scopeuk: weed all take a working "dirty" system over a pure omg i cant usea monitor brick
[17:24:49] poonj: when you say custom initrd..
[17:24:57] poonj: meaning you need to load the md module at bootup right?
[17:25:03] Juski: scopeuk: there are plenty who wont
[17:25:09] scopeuk: then they are fools
[17:25:12] poonj: so if I rebuild a kernel, I just need to build an initrd file and have grub load it
[17:26:27] Juski: right now I only use Linux cos it makes mythtv work to be honest. the bonus of slapping Gates in the face is neither here nor there
[17:26:39] scopeuk: yeh
[17:26:43] scopeuk: linux is a tool as is windows
[17:26:54] scopeuk: havign been brought up on windows its easier for most tasks
[17:26:55] fysa: I don't think you can put /boot on RAID5.
[17:27:09] scopeuk: but linux has its placve myth and server duty mainly for me
[17:27:29] fysa: did you get that long message I sent you the other day, poonj?
[17:28:07] poonj: fysa, not sure...I got some of your messages
[17:28:16] poonj: I know how you configured it
[17:28:33] poonj: but I wanted to ask you, you set the /boot and / partitions under a Mirror
[17:28:48] poonj: was that because you could boot off of those partitions easier?
[17:29:01] Kelerion: hey Juski: excellent :) okies.. try my example again.. LS8 :)
[17:29:02] poonj: if they were under a RAID-1 mirror?
[17:29:11] fysa: no, it just makes sense that way
[17:29:12] ** Kelerion is reading his new lxf :) **
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[17:29:21] fysa: because now, if any drive dies, I still have /boot and /
[17:29:34] fysa: I do a mirror and the rest as hot spares for /boot (it's only 40mb or so)
[17:29:40] Kelerion: their on about Elephants Dream.. you guys watched it yet?
[17:29:46] fysa: you want /boot on every drive
[17:29:49] fysa: as a mirror..
[17:29:58] fysa: so if any drive dies — even the main 'boot'/first drive that the BIOS sees
[17:30:03] fysa: the next drive still works properly
[17:30:08] fysa: as it has its own /boot
[17:30:27] fysa: the BIOS can boot off of any of my drives and it will work the same..
[17:31:16] fysa: then I partition another 3 gigs off each drive and put half to / and half to /home or some such
[17:31:34] fysa: so in the event of catastrophic failure, there's still a very good chance that I will retain my system and can rebuild quickly
[17:31:45] fysa: 3 drive mirror for each
[17:32:01] fysa: but as it's only a few gigs, it's not really going to affect the ultimate size of the RAID-5 much.
[17:32:24] fysa: it will even boot without RAID enabled..
[17:33:03] fysa: if you read the swraid groups, there are always RAID-5 people that experience catastrophic (two drives lost) failure
[17:33:20] fysa: it's almost inevitable that one day it will happen (less chance with RAID-6)
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[17:33:37] fysa: so I just keep media/programs on RAID-5
[17:33:50] fysa: and partition off the RAID-1 for compressed backups and such
[17:34:10] fysa: for swap
[17:34:14] fysa: er, and for swap space
[17:36:59] poonj: fysa, it makes sense to me
[17:37:21] poonj: fysa, I actually agree with you...as long as the /boot and / partitions are able to boot if one drive dies
[17:37:27] poonj: that is my biggest concern
[17:37:45] fysa: yeah, there's a grub howto that shows you how to make it work for each drive
[17:38:55] fysa: http://www.linuxsa.org.au/mailing-list/2003-07/1270.html
[17:39:05] fysa: you do that with the /boot partition on each drive
[17:41:55] fysa: I also put my swap on RAID1 to keep the system from crashing in case of drive failure
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[17:44:07] poonj: so I need to configure grub on each drive?
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[17:45:03] poonj: gotcha
[17:48:02] poonj: fysa, I should be able to set this up during the Debian Installation right?
[17:49:14] fysa: Sure, I don't see why not.
[17:49:31] poonj: okay
[17:49:33] poonj: I'll give this a try
[17:49:34] poonj: heh
[17:49:41] poonj: why not, got nothing else to do
[17:49:56] fysa: I may have setup the raids with a utility CD first. (grml-small is nice for this)
[17:50:07] fysa: I can't remember..
[17:50:54] fysa: they recently added SMART support to libata, so if you're using SATA drives you may want to make sure you're using a distro with a newish kernel.
[17:51:41] Zider: how recently?
[17:51:59] kormoc: 2.6.15
[17:52:29] kormoc: http://linux-ata.org/software-status.html#smart
[17:52:32] Zider: ooh
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[17:53:07] fysa: and then you need a newer smartctl also I think.
[17:53:22] fysa: smartmontools
[17:53:49] fish__: damn
[17:54:26] fysa: and I believe 2.6.17 adds the extensions to grow an existing RAID-5 using mdadm
[17:54:28] fish__: mythtv runs perfectly but vlc, ffmpeg and mencoder can't read from my tv card fast enought for realtime encoding...
[17:55:06] fish__: is there maybe something (maybe v4l_2_ related) which works on mythtv but not that good on other video apps? ;)
[17:56:03] fysa: poonj: I'm not 100% on this, but I believe you can migrate a non-md /boot and / to RAID-1 after installing the OS
[17:56:49] kormoc: fish__, the reason myth works is likely cause the codecs you are picking for the others are too cpu hungry
[17:58:02] fysa: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/238
[17:58:48] fysa: this way you can worry about RAID setup after installation.
[17:58:59] poonj: nice
[17:59:01] kormoc: assuming you're gonna mirror
[17:59:05] poonj: yeah
[17:59:08] poonj: I'm going to mirror
[17:59:12] poonj: or do a similar setup to fysa
[17:59:17] poonj: thanks fysa
[17:59:27] poonj: but my question is too
[17:59:47] poonj: what about the partition for the RAID 5
[17:59:58] poonj: do I just create the partition, but don't format it and give it a FS?
[18:00:07] poonj: I do all of that after I install debian?
[18:01:13] fysa: just create the partitions during install
[18:01:20] fysa: and put filesystem on / and /boot and ignore the rest..
[18:01:41] poonj: so lets say I have 3 HDs
[18:01:49] poonj: I create / and /boot on all three
[18:01:57] poonj: and give enough space to install
[18:02:10] poonj: after I have the system, I create the RAID 5 on the remaining space?
[18:02:31] poonj: or should I create the partitions for the RAID 5 also when I'm installing debian?
[18:02:51] fysa: if you can do it all during install, go for it.
[18:03:29] fysa: but if debian gives you problems, just create that big RAID-5 partition and don't put a filesystem on it
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[18:04:34] fysa: and make sure you use a filesystem on the RAID-5 that can be extended later
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[18:04:54] fysa: in case you ever add extra drives..
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[18:07:50] poonj: what FS do you suggest?
[18:07:55] poonj: Reiser?
[18:07:57] poonj: XFS?
[18:08:17] fysa: I use ext2 for /boot, reiserfs for / and jfs-on-LVM for my RAID-5.
[18:08:34] Juski: Kelerion: ./mastfinder ls8 || Looking up postcode to find mast data..... Mast:Emley Moor BBC1:44 BBC2:51 ITV:47 C4:41 Ch5:37
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[18:09:11] fysa: switched from xfs to jfs, have had less problems with data loss/corruption (during power outage) since then. I haven't experience with using/growing reiserfs or ext3fs on a partition that large so I can't really say, other than what I've researched.
[18:09:23] antiPosix: how do I know if an encoding has been transcoded or not. Currently I have to do an ls -l in the /mnt/store dir and look at the size
[18:09:38] poonj: fysa, you can grow a ext3 FS right?
[18:09:52] antiPosix: the Job Queue sometimes tells me, but it seems to clear out frequently
[18:09:53] poonj: this RAID isn't necessarily going to be dedicated to storing large files...
[18:10:07] poonj: so I want to do everything to protect the data
[18:10:13] poonj: and sacrifice performance if I have to
[18:10:51] fysa: I believe ext3fs can be resized — it just has to be unmounted first.
[18:10:59] fysa: JFS and XFS resize while online
[18:10:59] poonj: okay
[18:11:12] poonj: when I used XFS
[18:11:18] poonj: it seemed slow..
[18:11:27] poonj: does JFS have journaling?
[18:11:39] Juski: JFS == journalled file system IIRC
[18:11:46] Juski: alled/ing
[18:12:10] kormoc: Aye, JFS is journaled
[18:12:14] fish__: kormoc: no, there not. ffmpeg or vlc only use ~10% of my cpu..
[18:13:13] ** kormoc shrugs **
[18:13:26] kormoc: could be IO locking issues
[18:13:34] ender224455: what exactly does the "pretty" folder in myth do? Does it save another copy of each program with a nicer file name?
[18:13:40] kormoc: check to see how much cpu is spent in wa
[18:13:49] poonj: Juski, thanks
[18:13:56] kormoc: ender224455, what pretty folder?
[18:14:07] fysa: http://lwn.net/2001/0830/a/jfs-comparison.php3
[18:14:34] ender224455: under MYTH (I'm browsing my mythbox through a samba share) there is a folder for "Pretty" that seems to have another copy of my programs, just with nicer file names
[18:14:41] fysa: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/388
[18:15:05] fysa: lots of comparison articles out there..
[18:15:28] jams: ender224455- the pretty folder contains links to the real files
[18:15:39] poonj: fysa, thanks!
[18:15:43] ender224455: jams: OK thanks, I just wanted to make sure it wasn't wasting space
[18:15:49] fysa: good luck :)
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[18:17:18] ** kormoc blinks **
[18:17:18] ender224455: also, is there a special way to add videos so that they get recognized? I always have to go to "Video Manager" before the videos I've placed in the folder are seen
[18:17:25] kormoc: I didn't know myth did that automatically now
[18:17:42] jams: kormoc- it doesnt
[18:17:48] jams: he is using knoppmyth
[18:17:51] kormoc: ahh
[18:18:36] ender224455: er.. another noob question. How do I go about seeing my CPU usage (and which processes are using it) ?
[18:19:06] kormoc: top
[18:21:38] fysa: I want a pretty folder.
[18:22:21] malverian: fysa, I want a pony ;)
[18:22:33] Anduin: fysa: mythrename.pl
[18:23:00] fysa: malverian: where's your pony.pl? ;)
[18:23:13] ** malverian smirks. **
[18:23:27] Zider: a puny pony
[18:23:35] Zider: costs a penny
[18:23:39] Anduin: ender224455: You can enable the "X view browses files" which would let you see the files in mythvideo
[18:24:22] ender224455: Anduin: thanks, I'll try it now
[18:28:29] kormoc: fysa, xris wrote the scrip that does that, it's in the contrib folder iirc
[18:28:40] ender224455: Anduin: that worked like a charm... but now a new thing has come up. I just put around 30 TV episodes in the "video" folder, and each time I go to browse my videos in MythTV, it takes at least 30 seconds for the list to appear (not just the first time I did it)
[18:29:04] fysa: nice. I forgot all about contrib ;)
[18:30:02] fish__: kormoc: nothing wasted (0%)
[18:30:16] kormoc: fish__, wa isn't wasted, it's waiting for IO
[18:30:32] fish__: whatever :D
[18:31:21] kormoc: well, I donno what could be causing it then
[18:31:22] fish__: its so depressing.. the last three or four days i'm trying to figure out what happens...
[18:31:49] fish__: when i try to just play it with vlc (vlc -vvv --color v4l:/dev/video0:adev=/dev/dsp:audio=0:norm=0:frequency=231250) i get warnings like that and choppy sound:
[18:31:53] fish__: audio drift is too big (-140977), clearing out, buffer is 69756 in advance, triggering downsampling, timing screwed, stopping resampling
[18:33:38] ** xris really needs to clean up some of his perl contrib scripts... and finish the mythtv bindings before .20 **
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[18:34:54] fish__: damnit and now i fucked up my mixer settings and i doesnt even have sound in mythtv
[18:35:58] Juski: like it's difficult to un-fuck mixer settings
[18:41:04] Juski: actually xris.. did you ever have any luck with my themes & opengl ?
[18:42:28] fish__: Juski: it seams so
[18:42:45] xris: Juski: yeah. that fix you gave me did the trick.
[18:43:17] ender224455: does it take a long time for your video list to load when you go to your Videos folder?
[18:43:34] Juski: xris: that's what I was hoping to hear. what was the fix again?
[18:43:43] xris: now there's just a little redraw-order flashing when you switch options, but I think that's likely present in all themes
[18:43:48] xris: lol, I have no idea.
[18:44:06] jams: base.xml
[18:44:08] xris: something about a background image
[18:44:09] xris: yeah
[18:44:17] jams: :)
[18:46:40] ender224455: anyone, is it typical for the "Watch Videos" option to take a long time to load the video list?
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[18:47:09] Juski: anyone, is it typical for people to answer questions right away? ;)
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[18:47:49] Juski: thanks xris... I need to remember the jist of what base.xml was all about. I'll have a dig & come back if I can't find it.
[18:48:02] xris: you want me to paste mine?
[18:48:52] xris: http://pastebin.ca/149356
[18:48:56] Juski: xris: I'd appreciate that... cheers! :)
[18:49:40] Scuzzle: Hi folks, does anyone here have any experience with myth-frontend on an XBox?
[18:50:18] Juski: Scuzzle: yes. it's craply slow
[18:50:23] Scuzzle: :)
[18:50:31] Scuzzle: No, that's not the problem.
[18:50:44] Juski: it might just be usable on a box modded to have twice the amount of RAM though
[18:51:06] Anduin: ender224455: Yeah, it does a full directory search, then matches to metadata, but doesn't add anything (meaning that it will be at least as slow as a ls -R + time to match existing metadata)
[18:51:11] Juski: if your q. is gonna be about the LED flashy thing – no idea cos I never got it working either
[18:51:26] Scuzzle: I've been getting random exits when playing back pre-recorded DVB-T (UK), so I went ahead and DID upgrade to 128Mb RAM. :o
[18:51:56] ender224455: Anduin: OK thanks. So there's no way to get it to save a list and just check when there are changes?
[18:51:57] Scuzzle: But... didn't make any difference. (Apart from the Menu's being really snappy now) :)
[18:52:08] Juski: Scuzzle: never had a problem here. could be old recordings in PS format from <0.19 of course
[18:52:39] Anduin: ender224455: Nope, though if file browse is too slow (and you don't have a huge number of files), things may be better if/when 0.20 ever comes out.
[18:52:45] Scuzzle: One, sec, I'm digging up the error I get. Did a search on the mailing lists buy it's not been mentioned for ages. And no obvious resolution.
[18:52:55] ender224455: heh, OK
[18:54:42] Scuzzle: I ran the frontend from the commands line and the output I get shows:
[18:54:43] Scuzzle: RingBuf(myth://192.168.42.3:6543/1098_20060814165900.mpg) Error: RingBuffer::safe_read(RemoteFile* ...): read failed
[18:54:45] Scuzzle: Then the stream breaks and dies.
[18:55:24] Juski: Scuzzle: see if the files play in anything else...
[18:55:35] Scuzzle: RingBuf I can find mentioned on the mailing list, but no obvious resolution (that I caould find), and noone seems to have asked about it for ages.
[18:56:00] Juski: Scuzzle: it's possible that running the files thru mpeg2-mpeg2 transcode (the 'lossless' one) might fix em
[18:56:12] Scuzzle: If I restart playing the same stream it will get past that point, it just randomly does that occasionally.
[18:56:47] Scuzzle: So it looks more like a transfer issue than a corrupt stream. (Although the network itself is showing no issues)
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[18:57:28] Scuzzle: Not something you've seen? :(
[18:58:18] Juski: Scuzzle: yeh and it was when I had PS recording enabled in 0.18. swapping to TS recording fixed it. if the recordings were made >=0.19 mythtv they'll be TS type anyway
[18:58:38] Scuzzle: Yup, it's all >=0.19 and TS recordings.
[18:58:45] Juski: ah
[18:58:55] Juski: not seen that problem then. try the files in mplayer
[18:59:09] Juski: also try running them thru lossless transcode
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[19:01:23] Scuzzle: I'll give mplayer on the XBox a go, running all recordings through a lossless transcode seems a little overkill, but I'll give it a couple of goes. Although since the files exit in different places whenever you play them (and sometimes play fine) I'm not expecting it to be a file problem.
[19:02:10] Juski: also try exporting the recordings directory to the xbox over nfs
[19:02:56] Scuzzle: Is there anyway of getting the Myth normal playback to use NFS instead of the streaming protocol?
[19:03:51] Juski: I just said how
[19:04:19] Juski: if the recordings are stored in /myth/tv on the backend export that dir then mount it to /myth/tv on the frontend
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[19:05:04] Juski: then myth will see the files 'locally' on the frontend ;)
[19:05:05] Scuzzle: Oh, it looks automatically for a local directory of that name, very sorry, I didn't know that. :( I thought you'd have to change a configuration setting somewhere.
[19:05:54] Scuzzle: Thank you for that tip, I'll head off and try it. :) Btw, if you do have an XBox the 128Mb upgrade works very well to speed up the UI menu anyway, I'd heartily recommend it.
[19:06:38] Juski: nah. I hate that noisy fugly box. it's good for gaming & not much else ;)
[19:07:09] Juski: if I manage to get some free sample memory chips I might have a go myself though
[19:07:23] Scuzzle: I'm currently hoping we'll be able to runt he frontend on a PS3 under Linux. :)
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[19:07:51] Scuzzle: Yup, I had to buy the chips from Germany, was about 30 GBP in the end.
[19:08:01] Juski: it won't fly on ps2 linux. why would the ps3 be any different? anyway....
[19:08:20] Zider: ps3 is "a bit" more powerful than ps2
[19:08:43] Scuzzle: It's more a matter of how they let us hit the hardware, Zider. But I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
[19:08:48] xris: and just a smidge more expensive...
[19:09:03] Zider: Scuzzle: mkay
[19:09:10] Scuzzle: But if we can use it properly, it'll definately allow for HD.
[19:09:17] Juski: I saw the 'cool' UI the PS3 has. They've not seen XBMC have they? :-P
[19:09:29] Scuzzle: :p
[19:09:40] Juski: Scuzzle: not h.264 HD prolly. and that's what we'll be getting here in the UK. or nowt
[19:10:20] Juski: oh wait. HD-8track is gonna be h.264 isn't it?
[19:10:36] Scuzzle: You think not Juski? I was looking at the specs. and figured the raw hardware is more than capable. *BUT* we may not get to access it fully.
[19:11:26] Scuzzle: Away for a bit, but I'll come back later and let you know what worked. :) Thanks for all the help.
[19:11:31] Juski: yeh well you'd think a 3Ghz CPU would be enough for h.264 HDTV but it ain't, according to folks on the forums at digitalspy
[19:11:45] Juski: np
[19:11:49] Juski: :)
[19:12:00] ** Juski goes back to snagging **
[19:12:07] RaYmAn-Bx: hmm, is it possible to get mythvideo to not try and cache names of all the files? (i.e. not recursively search through all the files everytime you enter the dir)? It gets rather annoying when the dirs is mounted over various shares and the contents change a fair bit
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[19:13:09] Anduin: RaYmAn-Bx: Only by not using file browsing mode.
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[19:14:50] Juski: I just thought of a way of working around the gallery's file browser limitation of not allowing filters
[19:15:02] Juski: categories! (duh)
[19:15:29] RaYmAn-Bx: Anduin: hmm, with listing mode it still seems to spend ages going through my files
[19:15:32] Juski: don't have directories – just categorise everything :)
[19:16:04] Anduin: RaYmAn-Bx: You've disabled the "X view browses files" settings for that view?
[19:16:48] RaYmAn-Bx: good point
[19:16:57] RaYmAn-Bx: but will the filelist still show everything then?
[19:17:33] Anduin: RaYmAn-Bx: In .19 yes, in .20 you can fake folders
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[19:18:18] Anduin: (and of course it requires running the video manager to update the list)
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[19:18:24] Churchiel: hi, Any ideas how to get this card working. http://www.mercury-pc.com/product-detail.php? . . . roductid=653
[19:18:56] RaYmAn-Bx: Anduin: so there's no way to just browse normally as if you were using, say, windows explorer?
[19:19:15] Churchiel: its Conexant CX 23881 chipset based
[19:19:21] RaYmAn-Bx: or was that what you meant with "fake folders"?
[19:19:25] Anduin: RaYmAn-Bx: Not currently
[19:19:30] RaYmAn-Bx: okay
[19:20:04] Anduin: RaYmAn-Bx: No fake folders just makes the view consistent between file browse and DB browse mode (so you don't end up with a giant flat list)
[19:20:18] RaYmAn-Bx: ah
[19:21:08] antiPosix: a mythfrontend has to decode correct?
[19:21:29] Anduin: antiPosix: Yes
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[19:22:04] antiPosix: I'm trying to get some noise reduction, I would like a fanless frontend.
[19:22:35] antiPosix: I'm sure I can find some CPU's around 1GHZ that dont require a CPU fan
[19:23:00] antiPosix: maybe thats pushing it
[19:23:15] Zider: C3
[19:23:20] Zider: and C7 too
[19:23:21] Anduin: exactly
[19:23:26] RaYmAn-Bx: I have a 1.73ghz and the cpu fan is mostly off (turns on or off based on cpu temperature)
[19:24:12] Anduin: Just make fan noise your life soundtrack, you'll only notice when it isn't there.
[19:24:24] kormoc: antiPosix, http://www.zalmanusa.com/
[19:24:35] kormoc: antiPosix, pick out one of their fanless coolers and build a system round it
[19:24:46] RaYmAn-Bx: yeah..I have my htpc as well as my server always on and I live in a 12m^2 room =P You get used to it
[19:25:03] Zider: or pick a fan-cooler and just don't connect the fan
[19:25:23] RaYmAn-Bx: you have to be pretty sure it can take it then =P
[19:25:39] Zider: you just watch the cpu temp and run cpuburn or something
[19:25:44] RaYmAn-Bx: yeah
[19:25:59] antiPosix: kormoc: thats pretty cool stuff, thanks for the idea
[19:26:13] RaYmAn-Bx: i've been wanting to get the cpu fan off my via board, but haven't quite gotten around to getting cpu temp monitoring working yet
[19:26:21] Zider: I have a zalman 7000-cu, and it cools a Celeron 2,6GHz without fan
[19:30:02] Tronic: How can I make MythTV use ALSA instead of OSS?
[19:30:26] Tronic: (besides running it thru aoss)
[19:31:48] Anduin: Tronic: set your audio output device to ALSA:something (ALSA:default is common for basic use)
[19:34:25] sigger: why can't I find the resolutions that the nvidia geforce6 (6150) is capable of? they mention a max resolution that's more than sufficient, but I'm trying to find out if the card does my tv's particular native resolution (WXGA), which is less than the max
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[19:39:05] Zider: sigger: which resolution is that?
[19:41:35] sigger: getting #
[19:41:49] Hoxzer: :(
[19:42:16] sigger: 1360x768, IIRC
[19:42:27] Zider: odd resolution :P
[19:42:29] Tronic: Anduin: Thanks, much better now :)
[19:43:00] Juski: sigger: your xorg log should shed some light on that
[19:43:01] Tronic: sigger: AFAIK all Nvidia chips support any MOD-8 resolutions.
[19:43:40] Tronic: (horizontal dimensions at least need to be divisible by 8, for vertical MOD2 is probably enough)
[19:43:41] Zider: I can't get any widescreen resolution to work tho
[19:43:51] Tronic: 1366 is not MOD8.
[19:43:57] Zider: not on video-out at least
[19:44:42] sigger: 1360 which is mod8. and yeah, its a widescreen
[19:44:59] Tronic: Zider: You need custom modelines. You can use http://amlc.berlios.de/
[19:45:02] sigger: Zider: you mean on S-video or HDMI
[19:45:21] Zider: sigger: s-video
[19:45:33] Tronic: It's probably not possible to get anything useful out via S-Video.
[19:45:47] Tronic: You should use VGA or DVI instead.
[19:45:54] sigger: I (who am not an expert) recalling seeing something about s-video conversion being somewhat limited
[19:46:10] Zider: VGA-to-svideo..?
[19:46:38] Juski: all my svideo setups have just been 720x576 wherever possible. just use displaysize of 400 220 or something in xorg.conf and a wide theme
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[19:48:53] sigger: thanks guys
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[19:51:44] ** jams uploads several theme packages **
[19:52:43] Juski: hrm. how come netflix doesn't seem to have a setup watermark attached to it?
[19:53:15] Juski: been playing with various things for it.. SETUP_NETFLIX, NETFLIX_SETUP but I can't get it to display
[20:02:27] Juski: jams: just for the record.. it's <buttondef name="SETTINGS_NETFLIX">
[20:07:17] Zider: damn this overscan crap
[20:07:50] Zider: I need to use nvtv to set overscan, but I have to use the GUI to move it sideways because there doesn't seem to be any commandline option for that
[20:08:26] fysa: You mean your display is offset?
[20:08:31] fysa: or you can't reach the overscan control?
[20:09:10] Zider: the display is offset, outside the picture
[20:09:27] Juski: all the more reason to get a GF4 card
[20:09:29] fysa: try a different modeline?
[20:09:55] fysa: the timings set will affect the osset.
[20:09:57] Zider: fysa: in xorg.conf you mean?
[20:09:59] fysa: offset..
[20:09:59] fysa: yes.
[20:10:01] fysa: ModeLine "720x480" 26.718 720 736 808 896 480 480 483 497 -Hsync +Vsync
[20:10:10] Zider: fysa: doesn't affect svideo
[20:10:20] fysa: on my 6150 it does..
[20:10:21] fysa: Modeline "800x600 at 60" 38.21 800 832 976 1008 600 612 618 631
[20:10:26] Zider: this is a gf2mx
[20:10:27] Zider: :P
[20:11:12] fysa: whoops
[20:13:07] Juski: if you have an RGB SCART input on your TV I recommend you try a VGA-SCART converter... or even if you don't.. VGA>SCART>svideo :-)
[20:13:21] Juski: then you can have a proper NTSC or PAL modeline
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[20:32:50] Rule: Hi all. I'm having trouble with sheduling recordings. For some reason the sheduler doesn't detect a conflict between 2 programs sheduled on the same time. I only have one DVB card, running .19-fixes
[20:35:05] kormoc: you sure they're not gonna record later/earlier?
[20:38:45] Rule: I'm looking at it with mythweb
[20:39:01] Rule: it's showing them both in the green border thing, mouseover says will record
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[20:42:35] Juski: that blessed bloody themecache, showing me old graphics for ui items. wish I'd realised sooner
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[20:44:13] Juski: and an abuser of mythtv wants help? what will they think of next? ;-)
[20:44:17] mythabuser: i need some help, mythtv has been fine for months, now the tv schule is blank, any ideas?
[20:44:31] mythabuser: schedule
[20:44:39] Juski: as in.. upcoming recordings?
[20:44:51] Juski: try running mythbackend --reschedule
[20:44:52] mythabuser: upcoming recordings as well as the guide
[20:45:03] mythabuser: no program info, just has the channel icons, that's it
[20:45:13] Juski: if the guide is empty thats why upcoming recordings is empty too
[20:45:25] mythabuser: mythtvfilldatabase seems to run fine
[20:45:39] Juski: it runs fine but doesnt insert any data... hmmm
[20:46:00] mythabuser: i can still see my old recordings
[20:46:10] GreyFoxx: Has anyone here used the new IPTV recording stuff yet ?
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[20:46:23] Juski: maybe your zap2it account ran out, mythabuser
[20:48:56] mythabuser: i just renewed it a couple weeks ago, it says expires 11/2006 when i run the fill command
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[20:49:31] Juski: I dunno how zap2it works. if you used xmltv I'd suggest you check all the xmltvids for your channels
[20:50:15] mythabuser: i see in the console something about "driver error was [2/1016]"
[20:51:08] mythabuser: i did, for the first time, figure out how to browse the mysql database to see what file was a certain show i was looking for, do you think i did something bad, like left it open or soemthign and now mythtv can't get it to it?
[20:52:19] Juski: not if you can see your recordings
[20:52:29] Juski: though you could run mysqlcheck
[20:53:55] Rule: I'm still not clear on how to best unify an analog and dvb tuner that see the same channels... can I do conflict resolution for the channels they have in common ?
[20:54:40] mythabuser: mysqlcheck just returned a prompt, that's a good thing, right?
[20:54:42] sigger: no benefit to be had from an X2 AMD chip for a frontend is there? looking at a mobo that takes 64FX/64.
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[21:00:47] Rule: AHA the time of the conflict has passed and one recording has gone away
[21:04:52] Juski: mythabuser: mysqlcheck mythconverg – preferably without the backend and connected frontends running
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[21:05:21] mythabuser: there were a couple warnings and errors
[21:05:22] mythabuser: http://pastebin.com/775972
[21:05:50] mythabuser: oldprogram and oldrecorded say corrupt
[21:06:07] mythabuser: "7 clients are using or haven't closed the table properly"
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[21:09:23] mythabuser: would --auto-repair do anything bad?
[21:09:40] Juski: mythabuser: maybe – but you have a backup of the database right?
[21:09:55] mythabuser: you'd think so
[21:10:02] mythabuser: how can i back it up?
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[21:11:45] mythabuser: i think i can figure it out
[21:11:47] mythabuser: thanks
[21:13:51] Scuzzle: Juski: I've tried mounting the backend over NFS and everything is working smoothly at the moment. Fingers crossed but that seems to have solved the problem.
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[21:14:22] evil_andy: ok, well I finally got things working by using btaudio (as /dev/dsp)
[21:14:33] evil_andy: but, the sound quality is crap
[21:14:38] evil_andy: craptastic in fact
[21:14:42] mythabuser: lol, can't backup with it broken :(
[21:15:04] mythabuser: reparing, crossing my fingers
[21:15:27] evil_andy: so my question now is, why can't mythtv pull any audio input from the sound card when I'm using the alsa oss emulation (on /dev/dsp)_
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[21:18:38] evil_andy: (that is, using a regular soundcard)
[21:18:48] Juski: Scuzzle: nice one :)
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[21:21:01] mythabuser: thanks, juski, that seemed to do the trick
[21:21:19] mythabuser: i'll add that to my linux cheat sheet
[21:23:14] Juski: mythabuser: now from here on in you're gonna schedule regular backups of your DB aren't you? see the wiki section about maintenance :)
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[21:23:44] jams: a job setup that backups right before mythfilldatabase works nicely
[21:24:24] mythabuser: yup, lesson learned. i think i did before i upgraded last time, but that has been months
[21:26:04] mythabuser: thanks again!
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[21:27:58] Rule: Hurrah I'm very happy now.. the CA is working fine too
[21:28:46] Juski: riiight I think I'm done theme editing now
[21:28:52] Juski: said that before too
[21:29:11] jams: thanks Juski forgot about the settings watermark
[21:29:23] Scuzzle: Juski: Are problems with the protcol Myth uses for streaming to the frontend quiet common? I didn't know about the NFS possibility and I notice the Wiki doesn't mention it. I'm wondering if it'd be worth me putting up a page about it.
[21:29:28] ** jams is done as well **
[21:30:12] Juski: Scuzzle: it's prolly more like the xbox network port is getting jammed up. it's not designed for lots of traffic
[21:30:14] jams: Scuzzle- I wouldn't call it common
[21:30:26] Juski: common on lower-end hardware maybe
[21:30:38] Juski: even that's stretching things a bit
[21:30:38] jams: in fact some people have trouble using nfs but the myth protocal works just fine
[21:30:43] Rule: is the myth protocol or NFS protocol supposed to be more efficient ?
[21:31:15] Rule: efficient being defined as overhead in traffic and processing
[21:31:15] jams: NFS should be more efficient
[21:31:22] Rule: I thought so too
[21:31:39] jams: the myth protocal is rather chatty
[21:31:43] Scuzzle: Fair enough, I'd have thought the Myth Protocol would be more efficent than using NFS... But, it may just be *different*.
[21:31:50] Rule: even mvpmc can use nfs iirc
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[21:31:52] Scuzzle: Really? I'd have though it just streamed the data.
[21:31:55] Juski: jams: where does that base.xml file go? in the root of my PG-wide theme dir?
[21:32:06] jams: Juski- yes
[21:32:14] jams: right along with the rest of your xml files
[21:32:28] Juski: it's a bugger having to do that when I can't even reproduce the fault
[21:32:39] jenn`: I'm trying to use mythtv for the first time, and I setup the mythconverg database like the docs said...but when I run mythtv, it can't connect to the db and is looking for mysqld.sock in the wrong place. anyone know hwo to fix this?
[21:33:09] jams: Juski- chutt commited a patch today "might fix missing menu fonts"
[21:34:01] Juski: heheh
[21:34:25] Juski: thanks Chutt!  :)
[21:35:04] jams: also found an interesting bug with base.xml today. for imagetypes in base.xml it will use the file in your home dir vs the one in your theme
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[21:35:31] Juski: eew
[21:35:32] jams: drove me nuts attempting to find out why the wrong image was coming up
[21:35:37] Scuzzle: Jenn: Can you connect to the database from the command line with the "mysql" command?
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[21:35:59] jenn`: yes
[21:36:36] jenn`: Scuzzle, isnt the fact that its looking for mysqld.sock in the wrong folder a problem?
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[21:38:16] Scuzzle: Jenn: On sec, just checking something...
[21:38:18] jenn`: k
[21:40:06] Juski: tarring
[21:40:08] Juski: ....
[21:40:24] Juski: I'd like some folks to test these when I'm done if poss.
[21:42:51] Juski: I now officially have theme-blindness :)
[21:42:59] Scuzzle: Jenn: I'm not sure how the mysql databse and mysql client can be using different settings for your socket... what does 'grep socket /etc/mysql/my.cnf' give?
[21:43:24] Juski: damn! forgot to do the previews
[21:43:31] Scuzzle: But, I'm not an expert on mysql... :o
[21:43:31] GreyFoxx: he probably has 2versions installed and the client is looking for the socket in a different location than the running server
[21:43:36] jenn`: /tmp/mysql.sock
[21:43:38] GreyFoxx: s/he/she
[21:43:44] jenn`: :)
[21:44:00] jenn`: how can I tel if I have 2 versions?
[21:44:02] Rule: you don't know ;)
[21:44:12] GreyFoxx: find /usr -name mysqld
[21:44:16] evil_andy: does mythtv work with alsa oss emulation (if I want to take audio input from the tuner card using a soundcard as a passthrough device?)
[21:44:17] GreyFoxx: see if it finds more than 1
[21:44:17] Scuzzle: And when you say "it's looking it the wrong place' where is it looking?
[21:44:24] jenn`: /var/run...something
[21:44:25] jenn`: hold on
[21:44:44] jenn`: /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock
[21:45:04] Scuzzle: Do a 'ps -ef | grep mysqld' any *odd* command line arguments?
[21:45:32] Anduin: evil_andy: Have you tried?
[21:45:48] jenn`: dunno whats considered odd...but it says /usr/sbin/mysqld --defaults-file=/etc/mysql/my.cnf --basedir=/usr --datadir=/var/lib/mysql --pid-file=var/run/mysqld/mysqld.pid --socket=/tmp/mysql.sock
[21:46:52] Scuzzle: That's it. The "--socket=/tmp/mysql.sock" is overriding the "--defaults-file=/etc/mysql/my.cnf "
[21:46:57] evil_andy: Anduin, ya, I can't get it to work
[21:47:04] jenn`: ok so...what do I do about it
[21:47:06] evil_andy: Anduin, so now I'm trying just plain old oss...
[21:47:09] Juski: what size are the previews sposed to be again?
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[21:48:06] Anduin: evil_andy: Did it work with other apps? (I never used it, used alsa oss out compatibility for a while)
[21:48:27] Scuzzle: Hold on misread what you said earlier... Since the setting in my.cnf is the same can't see qhy the client is looking the wrong place... Hmm, puzzling some more.
[21:48:31] evil_andy: alsa oss works great on my other desktop (same version of EVERYTHING (including cards)
[21:48:39] jenn`: lol, nice
[21:48:47] evil_andy: the backend is headless :-P
[21:48:52] jenn`: GreyFoxx, only 1 showed up
[21:49:02] evil_andy: but works FINE when I use (oss) btaudio
[21:49:13] evil_andy: just that... the sound quality is a but sucktastic
[21:49:26] jams: Juski- mine are 400x225
[21:50:21] jams: blue is 183x138
[21:51:07] Juski: ah okees
[21:51:20] ** Rule is tempted to upgrade to svn **
[21:51:34] jams: in other words smallish
[21:51:50] Anduin: Rule: be brave, they need testers for 0.20.
[21:51:58] jenn`: Scuzzle, if you come up with anymore ideas can you just send me a msg? I have to go, but i'll be back later
[21:52:05] Rule: oh no... try to talk me OUT of it ;)
[21:52:09] Scuzzle: Ok, will do.
[21:52:11] jenn`: ty
[21:52:31] Rule: I used to have big probs with DVB scanning and EIT in head...
[21:53:00] Anduin: Rule: You'll just have big problems with 0.20 unless you report any you'd find now.
[21:53:08] Rule: this is true
[21:53:24] Rule: though I gave away my test/acceptance box :)
[21:53:48] Juski: works like a trooper here. livetv is almost bearable on an 800mhz box with a 'broken driver' dvb card :)
[21:54:01] Rule: heh
[21:54:02] Anduin: Rule: The show isn't nearly as fun with nets.
[21:54:20] Rule: haha I should try that line at work sometime :)
[21:55:21] Rule: I regularly check out the svn tree, and the daily changes are a bit impressive too
[21:56:48] evil_andy: ok
[21:56:56] evil_andy: wtf?! I can't use soundcard passthrough at all?!
[21:57:15] evil_andy: grr... oh well
[21:57:44] evil_andy: looks like I'll have to add a keyboard and monitor to this thing...
[21:57:48] evil_andy: and speakers...
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[22:12:56] Demerzel: evening folks
[22:14:31] Demerzel: anyone here who can help me configure lirc to perform a safe reboot of my myth machine?
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[22:18:18] Juski: Demerzel: you need to investigate irxevent
[22:18:42] Juski: though exactly why you need to reboot should be examined in the first place
[22:18:55] Demerzel: Juski: i've looked into it briefly but it seems it needs X running
[22:19:58] Demerzel: Juski: basically my last myth box (which was an underpowered overheated poc) kept getting into weird situations where myth would hang but a ctrlaltdel would reboot the box
[22:20:24] Demerzel: Juski: just looking to see if there's a way i can completely remove my keyboard from the mix
[22:20:28] Juski: so you'd be working around the problem instead of solving it. not the best idea in the world IMHO
[22:20:45] Demerzel: juski: here's the real problem
[22:20:59] Demerzel: Juski: while i dont expect this box to hang, i _do_ expect my kids to poke at the power switch :)
[22:21:22] Demerzel: which has a similarly detrimental effect to the disks i.e. fsck's all around ... some of which fail etc
[22:21:43] Juski: hmm. that's the problem with having power switches left connected ;-)
[22:21:44] Demerzel: i'd prefer the power switch or the power button on the remote to allow me to do a clean shutdown or reboot for those situations
[22:22:00] Demerzel: heh i see :)
[22:22:02] Juski: I didn't think irxevent needed X to be running though
[22:22:17] Demerzel: well i ran irxevent w/o X and it complained of a missing DISPLA
[22:22:20] Demerzel: DISPLAY
[22:23:25] Demerzel: i guess one possibility would be to write code in C such that if i had a "prog = myshutdown" section in lircrc it would tell me program to do what it does ... which would be shutdown cleanly
[22:23:53] Juski: I've seen the question asked often enough on the users mailing list. have a looky there
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[22:24:16] Demerzel: danke man
[22:24:17] Juski: but if I were you I'd disable the power & reset buttons
[22:24:24] Juski: aswell
[22:24:29] Demerzel: yeah but then it's not truly an "appliance" is it?
[22:24:38] Demerzel: where i can just power it down like my dvd player
[22:25:01] Juski: I bet your dvd player comes up in less than 30 seconds though
[22:25:44] Juski: if it's just a frontend why not go diskless & never need to worry about fragging the disks again? ;-)
[22:26:25] Juski: believe it or not, diskless booting over a network is not noticably slower than with a HDD in the box
[22:26:42] Demerzel: back
[22:26:53] Demerzel: yeah the dvd does come up quick :)
[22:27:05] Demerzel: and i'm willing to wait a couple of extra seconds on this
[22:27:18] Demerzel: tiny budget and all that
[22:27:27] Demerzel: i'd love to go diskless as soon as i'm able
[22:27:34] Demerzel: until then i have to find a solution
[22:27:34] scopeuk: evnin all
[22:27:39] Demerzel: evening scope
[22:27:46] Juski: so it's all one box? why would you be shutting it down then?
[22:27:52] Juski: evenin scopeuk :)
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[22:29:05] Juski: cant wait til STR works properly without setup headaches in Linux.. man that'll solve some power consumption issues
[22:29:07] Demerzel: Juski: for a multitude of reasons including moving it around, adding new hardware, removing any motivation for the kids to play with it ... apparently if the power button doesnt _do_ anything they get bored pretty quick
[22:29:42] Demerzel: basically i want to have a system w/o keyboard or mouse next to the TV
[22:29:59] Juski: Demerzel: you could be really sneaky & put the power switch in series with a 'secret' button at the back or something
[22:30:10] Demerzel: yeah but i dont have the time to do that :)
[22:30:17] Juski: or just hit your kids with a 2x4 til they learn
[22:30:28] Juski: (kidding)
[22:30:28] Demerzel: my current project @work means i come home too late to mess around with it much
[22:30:32] Demerzel: heh
[22:30:46] Demerzel: if you had kids you'd know the 2x4 only works the first time
[22:30:51] Juski: lol
[22:31:03] Demerzel: ;)
[22:31:09] Juski: actually you've made me think about kids in this house... (shudder).. OMG the brokennes of everything!
[22:31:18] Demerzel: indeed
[22:31:42] Demerzel: on the plus side, however, i can talk to my oldest son about games .. even play some multiplayer games when time permits
[22:31:55] Demerzel: a few years of sheer walking on broken glass
[22:32:01] Demerzel: can yield a pretty good friend
[22:32:03] Juski: I'd disable the power switch on my backend machine & put it on a fused spur
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[22:32:39] Demerzel: aight :)
[22:32:43] Demerzel: i'm outta here
[22:32:48] Demerzel: gotta head out
[22:32:55] Juski: so anyway... the box is running X if you have mythtv on it... I reckon irxevent is your way fwd
[22:33:06] Demerzel: true true
[22:33:13] Juski: then tie it to sudo shutdown now or something
[22:33:15] Demerzel: i'll be trying that
[22:33:24] Demerzel: danke man
[22:33:33] Demerzel: i'll be back to tell the tales
[22:33:36] Demerzel: :)
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[22:40:16] AngryElf: guys, the past few days (no upgrades, nothin) i've been getting prebuffering errors that freeze playback on recordings and i have to kill mfe and restart
[22:40:18] AngryElf: any ideas?
[22:40:30] AngryElf: it's definitly mythtv cause mplayer plays back the file fine
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[22:45:35] AngryElf: okay...i lied, mplayer crashed too, still any ideas that might cause this? mplayer just locked up, no error that i can see
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[22:50:45] AngryElf_: bah — nevermind, stupid winblows machine on the network was stealing this machine's IP
[22:56:09] scopeuk: not you manually asigning them wrong then?
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[22:58:59] Aid: hi
[22:59:36] Juski: dum de dummmmm.. uploading the themeage :)
[22:59:41] Aid: i got my dvb-s card to owkr Juski
[22:59:44] Aid: work
[22:59:51] Juski: coolio
[22:59:59] Aid: cant figure out how to get szap to work though lol
[23:00:10] Juski: so how do you know it works then?
[23:00:21] Aid: i dont know
[23:01:18] Aid: i got it monday.. i just want to receive a picture already
[23:01:43] Juski: erm.. if you're in the US wtf did you buy a DVB-S card?
[23:02:03] Aid: why not
[23:02:34] Juski: because for one there are very few free to air satellite channels in the USA
[23:02:46] Aid: well there's one that i esp like
[23:02:56] Aid: and then for wildfeeds and some other uses
[23:03:52] Aid: its this or use an external box and an IR blaster
[23:04:26] Juski: don't wildfeeds move around a lot? you'd be rescanning constantly to find em
[23:04:42] Aid: not if you're in a community
[23:05:03] Juski: how do you mean?
[23:05:10] Aid: people usually find'em for me
[23:05:29] Juski: even so.. you can't just enter freqs etc in mythtv & go to a channel like that
[23:06:16] Aid: how come
[23:06:28] Juski: because you can't
[23:06:45] Juski: channels in mythtv are setup at setup time by scanning – for dvb anyway
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[23:07:07] Aid: yeah oh well
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[23:07:26] Juski: myth finds transponders with all the channels on, then it searches on the transponders for channels & stores em in the database
[23:07:57] Aid: they find the transponder?
[23:08:20] Juski: yes but only in mythtv-setup
[23:08:36] Juski: and you can't just go adding stuff ad-hoc like you would with a set top box
[23:08:56] Aid: i dont see how it finds the transponder
[23:09:11] Juski: by scanning for the transponders that's how
[23:09:22] Juski: though for satellite that might take a long time
[23:10:09] Aid: i dont see a place to scan for 'transponders'i see a place to scan transponders thugh
[23:10:58] Juski: which satellite are you planning to use?
[23:11:07] Aid: g10r
[23:12:43] Juski: I got some news for you. the tuning data for that isn't included with the dvb-utils
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[23:13:53] Aid: Juski: exactly why im trying to get it manually and am having probs
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[23:22:54] Juski: I've googled for like 8 minutes solid now.. not even a single semi-useful hit. you might be putting that dvb-s card on ebay soon
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[23:25:42] Aid: linux just stinks for this kind of stuff i suppose
[23:25:57] Aid: if i went to windows i would have been watching tv by monday night
[23:29:57] briand: yes, and rebooting before the end of prime time.
[23:30:28] briand: oh, and hi everyone
[23:30:29] briand: ;)
[23:30:47] kavorka^: so has anyone tried the latest 8774 nvidia drivers?
[23:31:09] Aid: well i've wait 2 weeks since i ordered this, then finally got it and then spend a week tryin to get it to work... nothing
[23:31:34] briand: yeah, that sure sounds like a failure in the programming of the application program you're ultimately trying to run.
[23:32:33] Aid: szap, and mythtv stink then
[23:32:36] Aid: XD
[23:33:24] Juski: from what I've just seen the only solution is to use windows & some rather hackish programs which will be a royal PITA to set up
[23:33:58] Juski: so take your pick
[23:35:16] Aid: so how come there's a szap if it doesn't even work?
[23:35:33] Juski: mostly european, like the whole of FTA DVB-S
[23:35:58] briand: Juski... I see from the scrollback that you've completed your new theme... congrats. I've been toying with the idea of going with SVN for the new stuff... but I might wait a day or two (no fonts in the menu!) before I think further on that... :)
[23:36:19] Juski: briand: I think that one's fixed
[23:36:25] briand: oh?
[23:36:35] Juski: and I only _think_ my themes are complete. they need testing
[23:36:46] briand: so, otherwise is it fairly stable for "routine" things, then?
[23:36:57] Juski: 95% sure the themes are finished though
[23:37:04] briand: i can wait on the new goodies and such.. but can it follow a sked and record/play?
[23:37:47] briand: the box is 95% idle now.. but in two weeks or so, the fall season will be starting, and my sked is going to load up all three tuners most nights
[23:38:08] Juski: Aid: here's the drill.. szap relies on you having an initial channels.conf file. you get a channels.conf file by scanning. you scan with scan, amazingly – and scan needs an initial tuning file which they don't have (even in CVS) so you'd have to make one yourself
[23:38:44] Juski: briand: seems to be ok so far, but I'm only running svn on a spare box right now
[23:38:53] Anduin: briand: svn will be 0.20 in two weeks if things go well
[23:39:08] briand: really? hmm...
[23:39:24] briand: so 0.20 is going to go before an 'official' 0.19.1 release, then?  ;)
[23:39:36] kormoc: yes, there isn't gonna be a 0.19.1
[23:39:51] Juski: boo hoo :)
[23:40:06] Juski: oh noes they skipped a point release! wahhhh!
[23:40:28] Anduin: briand: svn is currently frozen to major changes and testing is being encouraged, so yes, soon, really
[23:40:37] briand: okay, next question: that box is FC3 with ivtv 0.4.0 (2.6.15 kernel) ... do I *have* to upgrade the OS for Myth 0.20?
[23:40:47] Juski: briand: nah
[23:41:02] jenn`: mythtv says "Database error was: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)" ...and that's not even the correct path to the socket. any ideas how to resolve this?
[23:41:43] greg_ (greg_!n=greg@68-112-231-17.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) has joined #mythtv-users
[23:41:47] greg_: hi
[23:42:10] greg_: can someone help me install mythtv?
[23:42:16] Juski: anyway if anyone wants to test the new ProjectGrayhem themes they're at www.juski.co.uk/pg/tarballs/
[23:42:22] Aid: Juski: oh well its all fun trying to figure this out
[23:42:22] briand: Juski: cool. I wouldn't mind it so much (just upgraded this box to FC5)... but I don't feel like dealing with all the v4l->ivtv->kernel 2.6.x stuff right now...
[23:42:36] Anduin: greg_: The best help is to use a very good installation guide.
[23:42:51] greg_: i need help with 1 part of it
[23:42:56] briand: greg_: so the first step is: what OS are you installing on?
[23:43:08] greg_: ubuntu
[23:43:11] briand: specifically, what release of Linux (which I assume is the OS)
[23:43:25] greg_: ubuntu dapper
[23:43:35] briand: gotcha.
[23:43:51] greg_: k
[23:43:54] briand: it seems to me i've seen references to an ubuntu myth installation guide...
[23:44:03] briand: but i don't know the url off the top of my head
[23:44:07] greg_: http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php
[23:44:12] ** briand uses Fedora Core **
[23:44:14] greg_: im usin this guide
[23:44:27] briand: okay.. so what's the one part you need help with?
[23:44:40] greg_: sudo -s -H
[23:44:41] greg_: mkdir /root/.tzap
[23:44:41] greg_: scan /usr/share/doc/dvb-utils/examples/scan/dvb-t/uk-WinterHill > /root/.tzap/channels.conf
[23:44:50] ** briand can yum... he can apt-get... but portage? no ideer. **
[23:45:05] greg_: how do i change that for my area and tuner card?
[23:45:20] greg_: wintv-go-plus card
[23:45:36] greg_: us cable
[23:45:41] Juski: greg_: you can't scan for analogue channels sufficiently well in mythtv yet
[23:45:53] GreyFoxx: greg_: the tzap and dvb stuff doesn't apply to you :)
[23:45:53] Juski: that guide is for UK Freeview
[23:45:57] briand: greg_: if you're in US and on cable, why not use zap2it?
[23:46:13] greg_: cause ive nvr heard of it
[23:46:16] greg_: lol
[23:46:31] Juski: all these armchair experts' howto guides are all well & good... BUT....
[23:46:33] briand: oh. okay.. so you've skipped over reading the documentation, then...
[23:47:05] Juski: www.mythtv.org – look in the docs there. you got over installing mythtv.. now you just need to set it up
[23:47:10] briand: Juski: agreed
[23:47:53] greg_: can i have a link to another tutorial?
[23:48:08] briand: http://www.mythtv.org
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[23:49:03] Juski: right I'm going to bed. if anyone has issues with my themes just email me at the address in the README.txt file :) night
[23:49:11] Juski (Juski!n=Juski@spc2-salf1-0-0-cust442.bagu.broadband.ntl.com) has quit ("Leaving.")
[23:49:13] briand: g'nite, Juski
[23:49:28] greg_: i cant find a tut on their page
[23:49:35] briand: no?
[23:49:43] Anduin: greg_: Documentation
[23:49:44] briand: is there a link there called "Documentation" ??
[23:49:44] GreyFoxx: "Documentation"
[23:49:52] greg_: yes
[23:49:56] briand: click on that.
[23:49:59] briand: start reading.
[23:50:00] greg_: i did
[23:50:39] greg_: i read it 3 days ago
[23:50:51] briand: but had no idea what zap2it was?
[23:50:51] GreyFoxx: Then you would have at least heard of Zap2it :)
[23:50:51] greg_: no tutorial in their
[23:51:04] briand: greg_: let me give you a tip...
[23:51:18] briand: the guys here are very helpful, and would be happy to get you out of a jam...
[23:51:42] greg_: k
[23:51:46] briand: ...but they're not going to read the documentation for you and walk you through it step-by-step, just because you don't want to
[23:52:05] greg_: ive sucessfuly installed xawtv and tv time
[23:52:07] briand: it sounds like the ubuntu tutorial has got mythtv installed on your system..
[23:52:14] greg_: but i cant get a picture
[23:52:27] briand: so, just read thru the MythTV docs and you'll be fine
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[23:53:01] greg_: its not gonna work
[23:53:33] briand: okay, suit yourself.
[23:56:13] greg_: i ve read stuff in myth tv site
[23:56:26] greg_: but i cant find the thing i need
[23:57:50] greg_: ive skipped the code i showed u b4
[23:58:13] greg_: and i get myth tv configuring started and it crashes
[23:58:29] ** GreyFoxx taps his fingers waiting for his vm to update so that he can play around **
[23:59:39] greg_: it crashes at mysql part
[23:59:50] greg_: of configuring

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