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Thursday, August 24th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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Jusk1:

gah where have all the PCI slots gone?

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gardengnome:

Jusk1: young girls picked 'em...

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** gardengnome sings **

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gardengnome:

d0nk3y: http://www.abarbaccia.com/ – read that instead... the bloke's blog is just his, uh, playground – nothing you should try if you're not experienced, i'd say.

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Jusk1:

I need to read motherboard reviews too by the look of it

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d0nk3y:

great.

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Jusk1:

will this board work with mythtv? http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index . . . t_uid=114742

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Jusk1:

!trout Juski check_the_kernel_mailing_lists

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** MythLogBot slaps Juski with a check_the_kernel_mailing_lists trout on behalf of Jusk1... **

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gardengnome:

Jusk1: yep. annoying work. i hope there are good ones for the conroe/allendale. i wasn't really satisfied with the am2 stuff

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Jusk1:

linux support ain't a big factor for me yet, but will be at some point

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gardengnome:

good thinking...

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Jusk1:

found a via chipset board in my price range :-/ never had an issues with via sets before but I don't wanna my next board to be the 1st

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gardengnome:

dunno if recent via chipsets still suck that hard.

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Jusk1:

all the ones I've had were supposedly the gash troublesome ones

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Jusk1:

no issues to report

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Jusk1:

intel boards are like twice the price or half the number of pci slots or both

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gardengnome:

i had some trouble with my kt266a. it didn't happen all the time, though. might as well have been a dodgy driver. but hey, i'm never gonna buy that crap again :)

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gardengnome:

boards made by intel or boards with an intel chipset?

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Jusk1:

either

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Jusk1:

this looks like a good candidate http://www.aria.co.uk/productslist.asp?name=M . . . p%3Fid=23695

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Jusk1:

ah fuck. no core duo support. arse

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gardengnome:

i hear these E6300s don't mind some overclocking. though i really don't want to buy a CPU/board just for that

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Jusk1:

oh wait.. yes it does support core duo.. I think

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Jusk1:

it does! woohoo

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Jusk1:

less than £40 – I keep my AGP card & RAM too

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Jusk1:

four PCI slots > two PCI slots :)

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Zider:

hm, I wonder how many slots there are on the card I'm getting

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Jusk1:

aaand a local dealer has em in stock. for a change

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Jusk1:

cheaper than mail order, and without the delivery costs. winner!

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Sebulba02:

funny how that works, huh?

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Zider:

3 pci, 3 pci-e 1x and a pci-e 16x.. well enough..

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Jusk1:

gah ebuyer.com rip folks off for most stuff but have unbelievably cheap things sometimes

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gardengnome:

Jusk1: read some reviews so you don't make yourself unhappy :)

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Jusk1:

gardengnome: I have – also googled for the usual 'name of motherboard lockup/crash/foobar' too.. not much turned up

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Jusk1:

hot pluggable sata too.. that I like the sound of

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Zider:

http://www.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=3&l . . . ;modelmenu=1 – that's a nice card, altho it costs a small fortune ;)

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Zider:

Jusk1: I thought all sata were hot-plug?

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kormoc:

not true

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Sebulba02:

My server has a K8N-DL, that was a small fortune.

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kormoc:

all sata 2.0 is hot plugable

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kormoc:

not all sata 1 are

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Zider:

ah

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kormoc:

the specs called for it to be so, but a lot of people cut corners

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kormoc:

so perhaps some of the cheaper sata 2's also are not, but afaik, they all are

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Jusk1:

a lot of people rushed stuff out before the ink had even dried on the specs

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Zider:

I guess sata1 devices aren't hot-pluggable on sata2 controller?

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kormoc:

Yeah

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Zider:

yeah they are, or yeah you're right? ;)

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kormoc:

you're right in that they arn't :P

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kormoc:

well

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kormoc:

if they support the sata 1 hot plug, then they can on sata 2

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kormoc:

but otherwise, nope

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Zider:

ah

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Zider:

not that I need hotplug, but it'd be neat to have ;)

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Zider:

hm.. if there's a hotpluggable eSATA port, would the normal sata be hotplug as well?

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kormoc:

I would imagine so, but I donno for sure

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Jusk1:

ffs. found this memory test results page for that board. the fastest DDR2 is only 3 secs faster than 333Mhz RAM in a test that takes about 4 minutes. pfft.

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Zider:

asus only mentions hotplug on the esata.. :P

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Jusk1:

omg.. memory benchmarking between different RAM manufacturers.. there's like maybe 2% between any of them. like you'd notice that

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Jusk1:

stupid ricer kids

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Jusk1:

blimey... Asus say their 'crystal audio'... "This feature detects repetitive and stationary noises like computer fans, air conditioners, and other background noises then eliminates it in the incoming audio stream while recording."... rofl. just decouple the audio circuits better from the PSU rails you idiots

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Jusk1:

nice to see marketing BS is still alive & well

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Zider:

Jusk1: maybe they are filtering noises in the audio stream, things that aren't affected by circuitry in the pc..

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Agrajag-:

i wish they could get rid of the dvd spin up noise. when i insert a dvd, it spins up – and i actually hear the spinning up out of my speakers (both speakers from computer and tv speakers)

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Jusk1:

Zider: I don't want my audio messed with thanks. No DSP 'knows' what's noise & what's sound to a good enough extent

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Jusk1:

Agrajag-: I don't get that, but then I use SPDIF

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Zider:

Jusk1: well you can always disable it :D

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** Jusk1 wonders what clockspeed an XP2800 really runs at and how much one of them new conroe cpus would blow it away **

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gardengnome:

cat /proc/cpuinfo – if that's your cpu

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gardengnome:

i'd guesstimate something like 2ghz

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kormoc:

Jusk1, 2250 mhZ

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Zider:

not A64 2800?

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gardengnome:

hmm, not bad

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Jusk1:

not A64.. just A.. ;)

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Zider:

k.. I have a speed chart, but it seems to be only 64bit cpus

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Zider:

(and they all get whipped by core2duo) ;)

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kormoc:

Jusk1, http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html

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kormoc:

but again, as Zider said, 64 bit only, and whipped up by the core 2

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JohnQ:

If I have a simple serial port lirc reciever that some guy sent me from germany... which lirc driver do I need? "serial"? or "gpio"? etc.

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Zider:

the iTunes chart has some 32bit as well

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Jusk1:

JohnQ: lirc_serial

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Zider:

but divx (most interesting imo) is 64bit only

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Jusk1:

bah I need a true comparison to help me decide if it's worth it or not...

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kormoc:

Zider, which cpu's aren't 64 bit?

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hads:

I think the upgrade to a E6300 is going to be noticeable from my XP 1500 :)

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Zider:

kormoc: prescott

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Zider:

among others :P

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gardengnome:

hads: same for me, i'm using a xp 1800+. :)

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kormoc:

Zider, those are 64 bit prescotts

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gardengnome:

hads: pondering a raid-1 or raid-5 to get some additional i/o speed. i hate bottlenecks

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hads:

I'm upgrading in the next couple of week, can't wait.

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Zider:

kormoc: 64bit prescotts..? when did they come?

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kormoc:

Zider, around the same time as the Pentium-D's did

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kormoc:

but intel never really hyped them up

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Zider:

hm.. must've missed them then

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Jusk1:

I might go raid-1 for my video editing box – maybe a lot of the bottleneck isn't my cpu

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kormoc:

Zider, starting at the Pentium 4 506, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819116008

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Zider:

I see

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Zider:

my prescott was 32bit.. and I just got it sold o/

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kormoc:

Hehe

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Zider:

got new stuff ordered.. :D

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kormoc:

Yeah, any of the socket 478 is 32 bit, lga 775 is mostly 64 bit with a few 32 bit procs here and there

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Zider:

I found a problem with my mediacenter setup today.. it seems that one of the things (forgot the name) that holds up the motherboard were in the wrong place.. and has been pressing against the PCB all the time.. :P

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JohnQ:

I'm trying to install the lirc-source module and it isnt working nicely... I get to the part where I type "debian/rules binary-modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux" and I get a few warnings and an error: WARNING: Symbol version dump /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.16/Module.symvers is missing; modules will have no dependencies and modversions. And then /bin/sh: scripts/genksyms/genksyms: No such file or directory Any ideas or quick fixes?

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kormoc:

Zider, spacers? and ouch, that sucks :P

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Zider:

kormoc: spacers, yes.. and yes, it sucks, suddenly the ystem wouldn't start.. after being like that for a couple of months :P

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Zider:

anyways, I fixed it.. and now two other problems went away :D

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Dagmar:

Jesus

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Dagmar:

Turn in your screwdriver, dude

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Dagmar:

...or start double-checking. You got *very* lucky there

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Zider:

the cmos clock now actually goes forward, and grub counts down and boots.. ;D

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Zider:

Dagmar: I didn't put it together

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Jusk1:

Zider: what, you threw it together? :-P

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Dagmar:

Zider: Then you should probably take your screwdriver and go find the person who put it together like that and stab them in the kidney

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Zider:

my ex was more unlucky yesterday.. her computer made a bang, shot sparks and died.. :P

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Zider:

there are stains on the wall behind her PC now :P

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Jusk1:

good move :)

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Zider:

Dagmar: I will :P

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Dagmar:

You're using a union electrician aren't you

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Zider:

a what?

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Jusk1:

a charlatan

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Dagmar:

An electrician who is in the labor union.

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Zider:

wtf is a labor union?

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Dagmar:

Yeah, that's another word for it

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Dagmar:

Oh.... You're in Sweden

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Zider:

yes?

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kormoc:

Zider, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_union

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Dagmar:

Well, that's why you dont' know what a labor union is

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simon_c_home:

well, I semed to have impored the channels by creating a channels.conf, they're just all numered wrong now. :-(

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kormoc:

or even more exact

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kormoc:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_union#Labo . . . nited_States

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Dagmar:

Basically, around here there's two types of union workers.

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Dagmar:

Those who are new and have clue, and those who aren't and don't.

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Zider:

ahh, now I know what it is.. :D

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Dagmar:

Heh

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Zider:

the point missed me tho

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Zider:

or I missed it

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Zider:

;D

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simon_c_home:

well, it's late. I'll worry about that tomorrow.

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simon_c_home:

thanks for help earlier

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d0nk3y:

ugh, I am not having any luck

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Zider:

hm.. tomorrow I'm gonna see how much of her PC are ready for the scrap heap.. :P

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Zider:

my guess is one of the capacitors exploded

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Zider:

or several of them :P

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Dagmar:

I'm in the habit of making sure those little standoffs are in the right places on the motherboard from years of working with cases so flimsy that the motherboard itself accounts for a substantial part of it's structural integrity.

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hads:

Hah, those sound like some great quality cases ;)

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Dagmar:

hads: Yep. I still have all the scars to prove it

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Dagmar:

The finest die cut unvarnished metal you can get from red China

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Zider:

Dagmar: yeah, me too.. this case is very old, almost pre-atx but not quite.. ;)

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kormoc:

you know, before the AT case, there were all plastic, and non-dangerous

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Zider:

my A1200 tower case were all plastic.. and it sucked..

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Zider:

it was probably made before "structural integrity" was invented

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d0nk3y:

Anyone here been successfull with using firewire with mythtv?

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Jusk1:

bloody hell. I've seen everything now: http://freevohelp.com/mythtvdebunked/index.html

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Dagmar:

Why does Myth need debunking?

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Dagmar:

I didn't notice any bunk

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kormoc:

d0nk3y, talk with SlicerDicer-, he uses 3 firewire boxes with myth

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d0nk3y:

ok

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d0nk3y:

SlicerDiver: Are you around

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d0nk3y:

BY backend they are referring to the sql server correct?

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Zider:

diver? :D

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gardengnome:

d0nk3y: no.

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d0nk3y:

SlicerDicer: Are you around

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d0nk3y:

o

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kormoc:

d0nk3y, if you private message him once, he'll see it

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d0nk3y:

I think this is out of my leauge, the only thing I got working is mysql, because I am running it on my Windows 2k3 server.. so I pointed myth there

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kormoc:

Jusk1, and it's not even debunking, it's reverse engeneering

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Jusk1:

kormoc: that's all there is until the protocol is better documented..

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Jusk1:

anyway.. a freevo mythfrontend plugin – I mean.. that beats everything

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kormoc:

meh, it's all in the source code :P

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kormoc:

yeah... that's nuttyness

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TTT_Travis:

Hey guys, I have a semi-crazy idea but I don't know if it's possible. I want to use my current linux pc connect 2 monitors, on the second monitor I want to have mythtv running and on the first monitor I want to use it like a normal computer

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TTT_Travis:

eliminating the need to get another linux pc

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Jusk1:

might need another X server but hey..

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kormoc:

TTT_Travis, yes, you can

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TTT_Travis:

kormoc great!

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TTT_Travis:

do I need 2 Xsessions?

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kormoc:

depends on how you want to do it

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kormoc:

when I did it, monitor #3 was my dedicated myth screen

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kormoc:

so when I wanted to interact with myth, I would move focus over to it and use the same keyboard and mouse to control it

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kormoc:

that's the simpliest way

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TTT_Travis:

I will be using a remote

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TTT_Travis:

will I need to switch focus some how?

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TTT_Travis:

or will it just work

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kormoc:

shouldn't need to

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kormoc:

I haven't tried it myself tho

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TTT_Travis:

I want to be able to have someone be using the computer while someone is using mythtv

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TTT_Travis:

seems like it would be possible

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JohnQ:

have any of you installed lirc on a debian 2.6.16 kernel?

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Aid`:

2.6.8

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gardengnome:

same here.

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gardengnome:

using vanilla lirc...

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Agrajag-:

JohnQ: i've done it on 2.6.17

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Dagmar:

JohnQ: You might have more luck showing the people in #Debian that error

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Aid`:

JohnQ: i dl'ed 2.6.17

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Agrajag-:

JohnQ: well as far as i can remember doing it the debian way with m-a i got compile errors

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Agrajag-:

i seem to remember fixing it though

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kormoc:

TTT_Travis, aye, it can be done

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kormoc:

TTT_Travis, just might take awhile to get right :P

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JohnQ:

It tells me "scripts/genksyms/genksyms: No such file or directory" when I run the make-kpkg line

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TTT_Travis:

kormoc I am willing to try, when I get my LCD TV

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Agrajag-:

JohnQ: are you using m-a?

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TTT_Travis:

my setup will be so nice

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JohnQ:

m-a?

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Agrajag-:

JohnQ: how are you installing lirc? from lirc sources? or from debian lirc-source package?

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TTT_Travis:

bbl

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Agrajag-:

lirc-modules-source rather. you should do it the debian way..

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JohnQ:

apt-get install lirc-modules-source lirc lirc-x

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Agrajag-:

also make sure you have module-assistant installed, and use that to build/install the lirc modules

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Agrajag-:

read the debian docs

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JohnQ:

riiight...

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CCFL_Man:

so what do you guys suggest for a decent NAS with good performance other than one you build?

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CCFL_Man:

that nslu2 linksys usb drive NAS looks interesting that it runs linux, but i want to do atleast 1TB of storage

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CCFL_Man:

i kind of want to do a raid thing for 1 or 2TB

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CCFL_Man:

for storing my favorite episodes of shows, kind of like my own video on demand system

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GreyFoxx:

Why not just build one ?

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GreyFoxx:

With the size of drives these days reaching a TB is pretty easy

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adante:

and still kinda xpensive heh

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GreyFoxx:

Depends on how to define expensive I guess

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GreyFoxx:

I consider 320G sata drivesat $115 CDN cheap as heck :)

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Siege_Artist:

Kind of a strech but anyone know why I'm not getting any channels with the autoscan? Video works with `cat /dev/video0`

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Siege_Artist:

pvr-250 on debian amd64

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CCFL_Man:

Greyfoxx: well, i was interested in the NAS devices because they are fanless, but since most larger drives are sata and most perform better that wauy, maybe building one is the best way to do it

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adante:

GreyFoxx: hmm yeah i guess, i suppose the more irritating thing is the limited # of connectors (sata, ide) on my mobo :]

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adante:

that and i bought 2x200gb drives however long ago for the same price... depreciating value yadda yadda

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GreyFoxx:

adante: heh I've been using boards with 8 sata2 ports on them heh

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evilDagmar:

Daaamn

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evilDagmar:

That's a lot of onboard SATA

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adante:

GreyFoxx: hum, how much are they?

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GreyFoxx:

~$200 CDN

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adante:

i'm still using an outdated mobo without sata

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adante:

so.. 3 drives and cdrom :[ life is cramped

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GreyFoxx:

one ofmy coworkers orders the hardware

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GreyFoxx:

he always running to me with new prices hehe

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Mellman:

can anyone help me get past a problem using emerge, a file its trying to download is an old version, how do i skip that portion of the emerge?

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evilDagmar:

Try in #Gentoo

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evilDagmar:

Interesting.

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evilDagmar:

Apparently Zap2it is out of survey questions right now.

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evilDagmar:

Extending my sub amounted to clicking a button that says "Submit".

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evilDagmar:

lol

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evilDagmar:

That was quicker than I expected

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Aid`:

i keep getting the error when using linux 2.6.17 kernel saying it can't find /lib/modules/2.6.17/modules.dep

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Aid`:

then i do a full system scan and it can't even find a modules .dep

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evilDagmar:

Duh. run depmod

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evilDagmar:

ooor, how about you install the modules

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Aid`:

small problem.. .there isn't a lib/modules

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Aid`:

i can't seem to do anything right

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linagee:

does anyone in here have a cat?

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linagee:

meow. http://youtube.com/watch?v=f5Fg6KFcOsU

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linagee:

:-D

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xris:

wish I could get my wife's cats to exercise like that

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xris:

turn the wheel, charge my ipod....

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evilDagmar:

We could maybe use that to recharge iPods, yeah

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hrishi:

hi

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Achew22:

Does anyone know the lowest version that you need to run myth archive?

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xris:

sphery: you awake?

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xris:

Achew22: something from svn.

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xris:

and if you do that, you might as well just run the latest

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Achew22:

darn...

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Achew22:

will .20 have full support for mytharchive?

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Achew22:

guess not

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evilDagmar:

Will IBM's stock go up or down after the next quarterly statement:

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evilDagmar:

You're asking questions no one knows a sure answer to

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evilDagmar:

Find the dev who works mytharchive and ask them

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Achew22:

evilDagmar: xris is one of the admins/devs/whatever you want to call them

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Achew22:

he has a tendancy to know even the most obscure little details

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Achew22:

but thats what we love about xris

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evilDagmar:

He's not the one coding mytharchive

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xris:

Achew22: it should, yes

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evilDagmar:

This little statement "<Achew22> guess not" implicitly challenging someone to correct you, is something we don't like about newbs

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xris:

paulh is in charge of mytharchive. he doesn't hang out on irc, but is on the mailing list

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evilDagmar:

It's not cool to act like that when no one responds to your question

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evilDagmar:

...but if anyone knows, like xris sez, it's paulh

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Achew22:

evilDagmar: why are you flaming? who cares?

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evilDagmar:

Me, I think Vista is probably going to beat .20 to release

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xris:

evilDagmar: oh? we hit feature freeze for .20 today

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evilDagmar:

Achew22: I'm not flaming. If I were flaming, you'd be looking for a bucket of water to douse yourself in right now.

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evilDagmar:

xris: Hey that is good news then. I've just been watching it be in RSN mode for so long...

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** xris recommends using !trout by itself for that **

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evilDagmar:

I was figuring another month at least

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Achew22:

xris — you couldn't have better timing. Have a wonderfull night and thats great news about the .20 release

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xris:

it'll be a few weeks. a number of big bugs to track down

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evilDagmar:

Oh so I might be right after all then.

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evilDagmar:

Heh

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evilDagmar:

No biggie either way

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evilDagmar:

I think I'm about to be severely underwater with Gnome 2.16

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Achew22:

xris: you rock

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evilDagmar:

Yech. Just checked some stuff, I'll amend that. .20 would have to be _really_ delayed to not beat Vista. I thought they were still aiming for the end of September

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evilDagmar:

Looks like they'll be lucky to make it for Christmas

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evilDagmar:

November 15th is the earliest figure I'm seeing.

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xris:

man, I thought they'd pushed it off until next year.

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quink:

evening

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quink:

sometime computers suck.

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Agrajag-:

xris: yeah for the home editions they have, business ones are supposedly november

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xris:

ah

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quink:

ok anyone have any ideas to help me out? i've been trying to read up on this for a long time now without finding much info. if i cat /dev/video0 to a file i can play that back fine, audio and everything. if i try to watch live tv it fails and recordings fail. i can watch videos and recorded stuff from a while back without issues

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xris:

quink: what do the console logs say?

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gbee:

the US grabbers, datadirect etc do they use an xmltvid as the channel indentifier or something else?

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radi0head:

I just got mythweb working, but can anyone help me setup a htdigest password? What's a "realm" ?

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hads|home:

You'll be wanting to create an .htaccess file (heaps of examples on the net) and an htpasswd file (man htpasswd).

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radi0head:

hads; What's the "realm" ?

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radi0head:

hads; I can't seem to find any indication in the man page.

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hads|home:

It's just the name you want to give the password protected area. Most examples on the net should have that info :)

[08:12:41]

radi0head:

As in: AuthName "MythTV" in the .htaccess file in mythweb/ ?

[08:15:03]

radi0head:

I guess not.

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radi0head:

hads; Yeah, there's already a .htaccess file in the mthweb/ directory.

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Tokufan001:

question: is there a way i can prevent the left key / escape from exiting mythfrontend?

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Tokufan001:

question: is there a way i can prevent the left key / escape from exiting mythfrontend?

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radi0head:

hads; I got it! yessss finally, thanks for your help.

[08:46:18]

radi0head:

http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/howto/auth.html was the key.

[08:46:41]

Tokufan001:

radio, were you locking access to mythfrontend?

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radi0head:

Tokufan001; ?

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Tokufan001:

well, you're looking up authentication for apache, so you must have been looking for ways to password protect something.

[08:47:55]

radi0head:

Tokufan001; Yes, MythWeb that is.

[08:47:59]

Tokufan001:

neat

[08:48:04]

Tokufan001:

can you help me out?

[08:48:11]

radi0head:

I'll try.

[08:48:13]

Tokufan001:

i have a question related to key bindings

[08:48:14]

radi0head:

WHat's the problem?

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Tokufan001:

i want to have the ability to lock mythtv

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radi0head:

Ah man, sorry, can't help you with that. :(

[08:48:33]

Tokufan001:

so users of the remote can not quit out.

[08:48:40]

radi0head:

I never played with keybindings yet.

[08:48:43]

Tokufan001:

hmm

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Anduin:

Tokufan001: You can tell it not to show the exit menu when you hit esc from the main menu

[08:49:02]

Tokufan001:

Auduin: how do i do that?

[08:49:16]

Anduin:

Tokufan001: You search the settings page, twiddle the option, done.

[08:49:30]

Tokufan001:

gimme sec

[08:49:56]

Tokufan001:

im in the key settings from inside mythtv

[08:50:08]

Tokufan001:

or is there a mysql entry or flatfile i need to edit

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fish_:

re

[08:50:39]

Tokufan001:

found it

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Anduin:

Tokufan001: Settings | General several pages in, System Exit key

[08:50:43]

Tokufan001:

thanks

[08:53:09]

Tokufan001:

now the hard part

[08:53:19]

Tokufan001:

remote control binding

[08:53:32]

Tokufan001:

can anyone send me an example of their lircrc file?

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Kelerion:

morning all

[09:15:47]

Tokufan001:

morinin

[09:16:12]

Tokufan001:

Keleron, can i ask you a question?

[09:16:30]

Kelerion:

sure you can.. whether I can answer it or not is another matter

[09:16:47]

Tokufan001:

lol, ok here we go: key bindings regarding lircrc file.

[09:16:53]

Tokufan001:

what do you have for yours?

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Kelerion:

the whole file??

[09:17:25]

Tokufan001:

sure why not

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Tokufan001:

can u email it?

[09:17:35]

Tokufan001:

darryl@atws.ca

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Kelerion:

will pastebin it.. one sec

[09:17:42]

Tokufan001:

oh

[09:17:45]

Tokufan001:

thats works

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Tokufan001:

thx

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Kelerion:

http://pastebin.ca/147330

[09:20:19]

Tokufan001:

thank kelerion

[09:20:24]

Kelerion:

no problem

[09:20:35]

Tokufan001:

oh, 1 more thing

[09:20:42]

Tokufan001:

what resolution does mythtv refer.

[09:20:51]

Tokufan001:

or rather prefer

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Kelerion:

it doesn't "prefer" anything.. you run it at whatever you want

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Tokufan001:

it scales?

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Tokufan001:

ok cool

[09:21:27]

Tokufan001:

thank

[09:21:29]

Tokufan001:

s

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Kelerion:

most people run it at the resolution of they tv

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Kelerion:

they're

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Tokufan001:

ok

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Tokufan001:

so a 4:3 would prefer 640x480?

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Kelerion:

Id got with 800x600

[09:22:12]

Kelerion:

I'd go..even

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Tokufan001:

ok thanks

[09:23:52]

Kelerion:

read the wiki?

[09:24:08]

Kelerion:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

[09:26:29]

Kelerion:

the howto section has a ton of stuff that might come in handy for you

[09:26:38]

Tokufan001:

cool

[09:26:41]

Tokufan001:

i will read it

[09:26:43]

Tokufan001:

thanks

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stuarta:

Juski: what version of ffmpeg do you use?

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Kelerion:

bloody hell.. I'd forgotten to install that.. lol

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stuarta:

hi Juski_

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Juski_:

hiya stuarta

[09:41:28]

stuarta:

Juski_: what version of ffmpeg do you use?

[09:41:52]

Juski_:

erm... on ubuntu I had to make it from cvs

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Kelerion:

why?

[09:42:35]

Juski_:

cos by default it doesnt have support for anything useful

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stuarta:

http://pastebin.ca/147346 is mine.

[09:43:25]

Juski_:

I'll find out. gimme a tic

[09:44:04]

stuarta:

wonder if mine is older....

[09:44:30]

Juski_:

http://pastebin.ca/147348

[09:46:08]

stuarta:

hrm. I've got higher numbers for libavcodec and libavformat

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stuarta:

reason being, script fails due to differences in ffmpeg

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Juski_:

ouch

[09:46:44]

Juski_:

they changed the syntax?

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stuarta:

probably. i have to drop all the extra specification and let it work it out itself

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stuarta:

ie. ffmpeg -i /data/mythtv/1710_20060824095900.mpg /tmp/blah.mp3 works.

[09:48:14]

gbee:

http://pastebin.ca/147353

[09:48:32]

gbee:

I'll not be left out :p

[09:48:57]

Juski_:

damn. so how would a user specify the bitrate?

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stuarta:

gbee: you have the same one as me....

[09:49:18]

stuarta:

erm, i'll have to look into it some more...

[09:49:21]

gbee:

so it seems

[09:49:38]

Juski_:

I could add a bit to check the version of ffmpeg... messy though

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Juski:

damn ghosts

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stuarta:

nasty, cause they don't present a simple version string for comparison

[09:50:48]

gbee:

hmm mandriva version is compiled with a lot less options :/

[09:51:09]

stuarta:

I roll my own. mainly due to testing the HD test muxes

[09:52:13]

stuarta:

it's a bit pointless however to downmix a mono 64kb mp2 stream.

[09:52:26]

gbee:

almost never use ffmpeg so it's not a big issue

[09:53:46]

stuarta:

bbc world service. designed to be understandable at the end of wet string

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gbee:

heh

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Juski:

I'd not have used ffmpeg in the 1st place if whatever method I tried originally had worked. can't remember what that was now

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stuarta:

replex?

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Juski:

that was it

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Juski:

mythreplex

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** stuarta goes and plays with mythreplex **

[09:57:53]

Juski:

course I'd have to go back & put the temp dir stuff back in again

[09:57:59]

Juski:

no biggie

[09:58:25]

stuarta:

i'll have a hack over the next week or so...

[09:58:52]

Juski:

ooo ello. we have 'king kong' on one of the video feeds in the lab. wonder how that got there

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** Kelerion chuckles **

[09:59:28]

Juski:

rofl @ the blatant cut & paste live action on CGI

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Kelerion:

not seen it yet

[10:00:18]

Juski:

cgi stuff melds well with the scenery but stuff in front of the cgi looks 'wrong'

[10:00:20]

stuarta:

hmmm mythreplex worked...

[10:00:38]

stuarta:

now to see what it sounds like

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Kelerion:

whats mythreplex do?

[10:01:35]

Kelerion:

and don't say it replexes.. lol

[10:01:53]

Juski:

it demuxes & remuxes mpeg streams

[10:01:59]

Juski:

'fixes' em

[10:02:21]

Kelerion:

they're broken to start with?

[10:02:29]

Juski:

yup. dvb streams are

[10:02:40]

Juski:

I think pvr card recordings are to an extent too

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Kelerion:

so am guess then it makes like... dvd compliant?

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Juski:

they aint DVD compliant – DVB ones cos of loads of extra packets in there & usually an A/V offset

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Juski:

stuarta: I was trying to do mythreplex --demux – the resultant mp2 audio was just garbage

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** Kelerion just looks lost **

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Kelerion:

ok.. so whats the point of it?

[10:04:22]

Kelerion:

what would realworld application for it be?

[10:04:22]

Juski:

to make the streams more dvd friendly

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Kelerion:

oh, ok

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stuarta:

Kelerion: there is a slight difference between DVD mpeg and std mpeg

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stuarta:

mythreplex can be used to modify std mpeg -> dvd mpeg

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stuarta:

Juski: my test sample worked :-/

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Kelerion:

ok.. so then when you try to make a dvd.. the dvd app doesn't have to spend 6 hours redoing the mpeg?

[10:08:34]

stuarta:

the 6 hrs = the crap mythreplex does.

[10:08:48]

Kelerion:

is mythreplex quicker?

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stuarta:

depends

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Kelerion:

kk

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stuarta:

I record in dvb, so I only need to remux the stream to be dvd compliant

[10:09:39]

Kelerion:

I record from pvr250

[10:09:54]

stuarta:

however if your recordings aren't dvb (or mpeg) then extra effort is required.

[10:10:32]

stuarta:

if it takes 6hrs it sounds like it's requantizing the stream to modify the bitrate.

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stuarta:

requant = slow, no requant = fast

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Kelerion:

am guessing mythreplex is to be got from a different branch in svn?

[10:11:38]

Kelerion:

nope.. I have it

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stuarta:

it's used by mytharchive

[10:12:11]

Kelerion:

ahh ok

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Kelerion:

I'll have to have a play with this later then :)

[10:12:44]

stuarta:

have fun. it'll take a while to get the process working nicely.

[10:13:13]

stuarta:

Kelerion: you still on 0.19-fixes?

[10:13:19]

Kelerion:

svn

[10:13:23]

Kelerion:

from yesterday

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stuarta:

:)

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Kelerion:

I always run svn.. too nosey to run releases.. lol

[10:14:44]

** stuarta looks for another radio program... **

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Juski:

stuarta: it might well work now... I dunno

[10:15:25]

Juski:

I'll try it when I get home

[10:16:08]

Juski:

can you specify mythreplex use different audio codecs for output? the usage info is a bit scant in that area ;)

[10:16:52]

Kelerion:

who wrote mythreplex?

[10:17:06]

stuarta:

it's only good for demuxing the stream

[10:17:34]

stuarta:

Kelerion: mythreplex = replex which IIRC comes from linuxdvb.org = linuxtv.org

[10:17:43]

Kelerion:

ahh ok

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Kelerion:

I just had visions that Juski's wink there was aimed at you because you had written it. :)

[10:18:39]

stuarta:

hehe. no chance of that.

[10:20:43]

Juski:

unless it was just whatever I was playing my test streams with at fault.. never know with umbongo

[10:21:11]

stuarta:

!trout redhat making-things-more-windoze-like-by-aliasing-every-useful-command-to-piss-me-off

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** MythLogBot slaps redhat with a making-things-more-windoze-like-by-aliasing-every-useful-command-to-piss-me-off trout on behalf of stuarta... **

[10:21:47]

Juski:

their fedora tshirts suck too

[10:22:18]

stuarta:

rm log/* Do you want? Well I just f"$%£!% well told you too....

[10:22:32]

stuarta:

bastards.

[10:22:59]

stuarta:

</soapbox>

[10:23:19]

** Kelerion chuckles **

[10:24:15]

stuarta:

how else you supposed to learn that a missplaced '*' removes your entire home directory....

[10:24:25]

stuarta:

:)

[10:24:48]

Kelerion:

been there.. done that.. lol

[10:25:00]

stuarta:

see, you won't do it again :)

[10:25:07]

Kelerion:

twice

[10:25:09]

** Kelerion laugh **

[10:25:32]

Kelerion:

but never again.. no.. lol

[10:25:47]

stuarta:

hehehe

[10:26:05]

** stuarta contemplates setting up a mysql cluster under Xen on his desktop **

[10:26:13]

Kelerion:

I have a habit of doing "rm -R -f *" and thats a nasty command in the wrong place.. lol

[10:27:37]

** Sebulba02 rips the "F" key off of Kelerion's keyboard. **

[10:28:15]

Kelerion:

well.. at least it'd stop me from swearing too much :)

[10:28:35]

stuarta:

no f's in c@%!

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Kelerion:

true.. lol

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Kelerion:

brb

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slaine_:

Hey guys

[10:42:52]

slaine_:

I did a little investigation the other night about my CLE266 and CPU load.

[10:43:10]

slaine_:

XvMC in the driver is working as expected.

[10:43:40]

slaine_:

I ran xine -fpqh -V xxmc <mpeg_file> and it was only using about 11% CPU

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slaine_:

So, mythtv just isn't using the XvMC stuff properly.

[10:44:20]

slaine_:

I'm gonna have a look over my configure log file later and see why it didn't pick it up correctly.

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[10:48:25]

Juski:

slaine_: ubuntu? I've had a problem with that & their XvMC wrapper

[10:48:58]

slaine_:

Juski, Yup, Dapper Drake

[10:49:19]

slaine_:

Sounds like what I've just discovered

[10:49:39]

Juski:

I found the solution on someone's blog after I sorted it

[10:51:07]

Juski:

if youcan wait 10 mins I'll dig it out

[10:51:37]

slaine_:

Juski, that'd be great, thanks

[10:51:42]

slaine_:

I ain't going anywhere :)

[10:55:53]

Juski:

www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3031

[10:58:11]

stuarta:

!trout myth@aus-biz.com reopening-closed-tickets-without-fixing-the-issues

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** MythLogBot slaps myth@aus-biz.com with a reopening-closed-tickets-without-fixing-the-issues trout on behalf of stuarta... **

[10:58:46]

slaine_:

Juski, cheers, I'll have a read of that later

[11:00:28]

Juski:

time for chilli :)

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adante:

is nuvexport in svn?

[11:23:22]

adante:

and if so, where :]

[11:25:39]

gardengnome:

adante: www.forevermore.net

[11:26:21]

adante:

cheers mr gnome

[11:26:53]

gardengnome:

:)

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slaine_:

Juski, I had a read of that mythtvtalk url you pasted in earlier

[11:29:39]

slaine_:

Looks promising, thanks

[11:31:03]

Juski:

cool :)

[11:31:16]

** Juski thinks "mmmm chilli" **

[11:31:54]

slaine_:

That sounds like a plan Juski

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stuarta:

Dibblah: how's things!

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Dibblah:

Not too bad. In the middle of catching up on work :(

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Juski:

home-made chilli though.. made by me last night

[11:33:46]

Dibblah:

See there's lots of commits for DVB stuff :)

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stuarta:

Juski: read in todays paper that a bloke arrested for pr0n had a "super-computer". super = had 2 hard drives....

[11:34:37]

Juski:

rofl

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Zider:

I wonder what mine is.. 4 hdd's.. :PO

[11:35:13]

Zider:

:P

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Juski:

so good you can't buy it at PC world, super? that's what that sounds like

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Zider:

an array!

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Zider:

;D

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Zider:

or a cluster maybe

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Dibblah:

Wonder what they'd say to mine. 16 over 2 machines.

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stuarta:

Dibblah: lot's of dvb goodness :)

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Juski:

Zider: you're also a t'rist (pronounced like tourist) for using an open source operating system too

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stuarta:

Dibblah: that's a 2 node cluster :)

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Zider:

Juski: and a riser for using gentoo :P

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Zider:

ricer

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Juski:

if you decide to go with gentoo do you have to use ricerfs?

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Zider:

yes ;)

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Juski:

must be why my gentoo box is almost broked then.. ext3

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stuarta:

I have 3 in 1 machine + an external

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Zider:

;)

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adante:

wow nuvexport has become really... good since i last used it

[11:38:58]

Zider:

my ir-receiver still won't work.. *cries* :(

[11:39:07]

Zider:

can't someone build me one? :)

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stuarta:

adante: and somewhat superceded by mytharchive

[11:39:25]

adante:

stuarta: crap.

[11:39:55]

adante:

stuarta: oh heh, i want to make xvids for the net anyway

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Juski:

adante: you didn't just say that

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stuarta:

use ffmpeg then

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adante:

by net i mean.. the intranet, yes

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adante:

stuarta: well thats what nuvexport uses

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Juski:

good as nuvexport is, there's no nifty gui for it yet

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adante:

the console gui works enough for me :]

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adante:

saves me spending however long fiddling with ffmpeg options anyhoo

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Zider:

console gui? sounds contradicting..

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slaine_:

tui

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Zider:

cui :)

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stuarta:

kerflui?

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** stuarta hands out tissues **

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Juski:

hmmm.. bloody ffmpeg options

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adante:

rendering 4.4fps... u beaut

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Juski:

hahaha. news of my escapade on LRL&UL has reached one of my colleagues.

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coffee88:

why is picking (and sourcing) a new graphics card so hard! i'm sure they're just trying to confuse me...

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Zider:

they are :P

[12:31:46]

coffee88:

it's working!

[12:31:48]

Zider:

but picking nvidia is never wrong

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coffee88:

that's what I'm looking for, but even they're out to twist my mind.

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Zider:

oh?

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coffee88:

gt, le, gs, ultra....

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coffee88:

sigh

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Zider:

doesn't make much difference for a media center

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coffee88:

doesn't help that i'm looking agp still

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Zider:

ouch

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coffee88:

will be using it for window$ games still too...

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Zider:

I'm using agp, but I got hold of an old geforce2 from a friend

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Zider:

eww :P

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coffee88:

i know, but what can you do.

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Zider:

not play games that aren't ported to linux? :P

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coffee88:

that's one option. but what would keep the gf entertained then?

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Zider:

you? ;)

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Zider:

or I could "entertain" her for you ;D

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coffee88:

heh.

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Zider:

still, there's a bunch of games available for linux

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coffee88:

i'e been trying a few, but she likes the really pretty ones. sigh.

[12:36:07]

Zider:

q4? :P

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coffee88:

maybe not...

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Zider:

;)

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Zider:

transport tycoon is nice

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Zider:

that's about all I play

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Zider:

and q3 on the laptop

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coffee88:

freeciv is doing my head in at the moment. can't take it all in

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Zider:

heh

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Zider:

I don't really fancy turnbased games

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coffee88:

i got into them playing battleisle a long, long time ago...

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Zider:

I wish there could be a decent rts action tho

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Juski_:

mythtv 0.19-fixes, mysql FOUR, upcoming recordings list EMPTY. WTH?

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Juski_:

I know I can fix it with mythbackend --resched – but why is the list empty in the 1st place?

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coffee88:

because there is basically NOTHING on uk tv at the moment worth watching?!

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stuarta:

it's empty until a resched matches some recordings up and schedules them

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Juski_:

eh? it was fine yesterday

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stuarta:

what you done to it?

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Juski_:

nothing

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Juski_:

programme guide is chock full

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Juski_:

11171 scheduler 6 0 2006-08–24 04:53:00 mythback Scheduled items Scheduled 0 items in 0.1 = 0.00 match + 0.05 place

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stuarta:

recording schedules in place?

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Juski_:

and yesterday: 11168 scheduler 6 0 2006-08–23 19:31:03 mythback Scheduled items Scheduled 143 items in 2.1 = 0.00 match + 2.13 place

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Juski_:

yup.. very much in place

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Juski_:

I had this problem in 0.19 – upgrading to -fixes seemed to stop it

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Juski_:

I need to turn on verbose logging for a while I think

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Puh:

should the "record just once" -schedules disappear after the recording is finished?

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stuarta:

Puh: I thought so too, but mythfilldatabase does some housekeeping which clears that out..

[12:54:33]

stuarta:

Apparently rationalizing this is on the TODO post 0.20

[12:54:54]

Puh:

i'm not running mythfilldatabase at all — i only use the eit data :-/

[12:55:19]

Puh:

but no problem, now i know i haven't goofed anything myself :)

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slaine_:

Is there a schedule for 0.20 ?

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stuarta:

same. at the moment that's the only way to automatically do it.

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stuarta:

slaine_: soon

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slaine_:

eheh

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slaine_:

missing a h there me thinks

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Zider:

RSN

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Zider:

:D

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Puh:

ok, can the mythfilldatabase be run so that it actually doesn't fetch any data from the net? so that it would only do the housekeepings?

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Juski_:

so.. mysql4.. does that go away?

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slaine_:

0.20 will be just in time for the new season then :)

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stuarta:

Juski_: shouldn't

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Zider:

slaine_: depends which season ;)

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stuarta:

and the direction of the wind :)

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slaine_:

Sky One starts around october usually, I'm aiming for that one

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Juski_:

how does gentoo's mythtv init script get $MYTH_VERBOSE ?

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stuarta:

NFI, but maybe source /etc/default/mythtv?

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stuarta:

or equiv

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Juski_:

/etc/conf.d/mythbackend :)

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stuarta:

close enuf

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Juski_:

now.. what should I put in there... just schedule? or all?

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Juski_:

ahh all will do for now

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Juski_:

I need to catch this

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antiPosi1:

how difficult is it to make an xbox a myth frontend

[13:02:42]

antiPosi1:

does ti require modding?

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Juski_:

it's annoying. didn't start happenning until around LRL time.. I didn't change anything that I know of around that time

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Juski_:

antiPosi1: yes

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Juski_:

antiPosi1: having used an xbox as a frontend I wouldn't bother if I were you

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Juski_:

it's _slow_ as anything

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Juski_:

so looks like this issue will have to remain a mystery til it happens again – then I can look in the log

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antiPosi1:

I have about 10 out of 99 channels that look crappy. vertical lines, one channel has diagnal lines(more visable in dark areas). Any way I can correct the cable signal?

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Juski_:

any ideas what could be causing this issue anyway? someone told me it might be something screwed with my mythfilldb stuff and xmltv config but surely that'd fail every time..

[13:07:28]

Juski_:

antiPosi1: fine-tune each channel that looks crappy. either that or get a better tuner card or cable provider

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stuarta:

have you just resetup the box from LRL?

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Juski_:

stuarta: no this is my main backend I never did anything with

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Juski_:

the only thing might've been that there was another master backend on the same network subnet but that surely wouldn't have been an issue

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Juski_:

that and using other frontends with the main backend – but again they shouldn't have brought the failure about either

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stuarta:

ooo interesting. ffmpeg default to 64kb output stream

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Juski_:

if I've done something really dumb I'll say ok & put my hands up but there's nothing that springs to mind

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stuarta:

which, as expected is about 1/2 the size of the 128kb stream mythreplex demuxed

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Juski_:

checking my db

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Juski_:

nothing to do with the size of my previously recorded list is it I wonder?

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Juski_:

I almost never clean that out

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stuarta:

no reason for that to cause anything

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Juski_:

my db is rather big.. 197MB

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stuarta:

2005-3–31 is my olderest

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Zider:

Juski: where do you see that?

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Juski_:

Zider: /var/lib/mythconverg. did du on it

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Juski_:

oops.. /var/lib/mysql/mythconverg

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Zider:

ah

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Zider:

9,3MB ;)

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stuarta:

102Mb = ~60Mb when dumped.

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Juski_:

hrm. would it be safe just to clean out the previously recorded list?

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stuarta:

shouldn't need to.

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stuarta:

but backup if you do :)

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Juski_:

ah wait a sec.. the other week when I fiddled with the channels – renumbered em.. backend was still running. would that have been an issue?

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Zider:

oh yeah, maybe I should make a scheduled mysql-backup..

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stuarta:

hrm?!?!? maybe?

[13:20:47]

Zider:

yes?

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stuarta:

NFI

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Zider:

hm?

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Juski_:

heheh

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Juski_:

I'd not have expected that to introduce sporadic failures though

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Juski_:

anything's possible of course

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stuarta:

i'd doubt it since the scheduler users channel name (aka callsign) not number

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Zider:

anyways.. I don't have anything worth backing up in my database.. yet.. :P

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stuarta:

128kb audio downmixed to 64kb sounds shit.

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Juski_:

callsign? erm... I dunno if I even have that filled in

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Juski_:

I thought it used channum

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stuarta:

callsign = channel name

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stuarta:

so did we all. it doesn't. recent dev thread about it....

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Juski_:

weird

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Juski_:

if you had two channels with the same name would that throw it a curveball then?

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stuarta:

no, that allows it to reschedule on any source containing that channel

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Juski_:

ah

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Juski_:

I'm out of ideas then

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stuarta:

so when we get freesat, which has wacky channums it'll still work...

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Juski_:

see if the logs show owt. I've got it linked into a webserver dir now so I can look at it whenever/wherever

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coffee88:

can anyone point me at an understandable doc link for transcode?! looking to convert dvb mpg to divx on a far faster box than my mythbox...

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Juski_:

lol

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stuarta:

coffee88: not a lot in the way of docs. Try to find yourself an ffmpeg command line that works.

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coffee88:

i thought there would be a heap of google links. but noooooo.

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Juski_:

ffmpeg foobar.doodo -hgfdsagfjhgfdkasgjhtyweru457458 --opt435641364321457 --divx 43278462318746327816423781648237468327648

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coffee88:

heh

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** GreyFoxx notes that ffmpeg line for later use **

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Juski_:

muhahaha

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Juski_:

<- ffmpeg guru now :-P

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stuarta:

you forgot -debullshit

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Juski_:

oh and -re-enable-ubuntu-features-they-disabled-fornogoodreason

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coffee88:

"ffmpeg is a simple ands straighforward application".... sigh.

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stuarta:

mwuhahahaha!

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slaine_:

coffee88, I know this is no use to you, but I use ffmpegX on MacOSX as a frontend for ffmpeg for transcoding.

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slaine_:

It takes away most of the pain.

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slaine_:

I'm sure there's similar floating around. Would be a good project for a linux box.

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coffee88:

i think i'm slowly getting there... doesn't help that ffmpeg --help returns "missing arguement for option help"..

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slaine_:

coffee88, Actually, have you tried VLC ?

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adante:

hey guys if i use nuvexport on a recording

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adante:

which is .mpeg2

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stuarta:

it prefers -help

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coffee88:

stuarta: tried that too. same response....

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adante:

in the meantime mythbackend and transcode finishes transcoding the file and makes a .nuv (removing the .mpg) – will my nuvexport file be ok?

[13:47:31]

slaine_:

VLC has some transcoding stuff built in, check it out

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adante:

(it's a multipass encode)

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stuarta:

or is it -h

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coffee88:

well, got ffmpeg doing something... see what it ends up like soon, i guess!

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Juski_:

soon.. rofl

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coffee88:

time for a coffee, I think....

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stuarta:

coffee + coffee = espresso

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coffee88:

real men drink turkish. by the pint

[13:58:16]

stuarta:

the empire wasn't built on coffee. it was tea!

[13:58:17]

coffee88:

or is that chew?

[13:58:39]

coffee88:

that and erm slaves. cough.

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coffee88:

wahey!! 3 times taller than wide! methinks I got something wrong....

[14:02:46]

stuarta:

it's a start....

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coffee88:

true. as an accountant (sorry) i guess should learn not to transpose digits... 320x420?!

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coffee88:

but looked a lot taller than that. hmmmm

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stuarta:

non square pixels

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coffee88:

round one? ;-)

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stuarta:

coffee88 0 – ffmpeg 1

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stuarta:

*ding ding* round 2

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coffee88:

i'll beat it yet, you'll see....

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stuarta:

ooo pluto is no longer a planet :)

[14:08:48]

stuarta:

seriously...!!

[14:08:51]

GreyFoxx:

yeah, that's nuts

[14:09:04]

stuarta:

nah I reckon it's right.

[14:09:14]

Zider:

oh they finally decided

[14:09:28]

stuarta:

watched a program about it and a valid point came up.

[14:09:52]

stuarta:

if it came any closer to the sun the ice would melt, it would grow a tail, and be a comet!

[14:10:01]

Beirdo:

you can redefine "planet" all you want, but it's still a planet :)

[14:10:06]

Beirdo:

dwarf or otherwise

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Zider:

the tail of pluto

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Zider:

:D

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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coffee88:

makes the "mary visits every..." saying a lot better for us non US folk though...

[14:10:23]

qu0zl:

ahh but then Beirdo there's hundreds of planets in our solar system

[14:10:31]

Beirdo:

nah

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Zider:

coffee88: who?

[14:10:34]

qu0zl:

it's a tiny little rock, less than 1% the size of the earth

[14:10:56]

Beirdo:

the only reason it got "disqualified" was due to its orbit intersecting Neptune's by the sounds of it

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coffee88:

how to remembre the planets..." mary visits every sunday just stays until noon"

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Zider:

uh, ok

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Zider:

I don't even know all the planet names

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qu0zl:

that was the 3rd rider they put on it, but they came up with that specifically to stop us having lots of new planets

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Beirdo:

so why that doesn't disqualify Neptune as well, I dunno

[14:11:32]

qu0zl:

because neptune is the dominant one

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coffee88:

sigh ffmeg 2: me nil. with 16:9 input file, i should be using something other than 320x240.. any ideas?

[14:13:25]

stuarta:

720x576

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Zider:

disqualify tellus!

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coffee88:

stuarta: trying to reduse size as well... lets try 360x288.... round 3.

[14:15:23]

stuarta:

try reading how nuvexport does it. might help

[14:16:04]

coffee88:

where's the challenge in that!

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qu0zl:

or vlc uses ffmpeg for it's mpeg transcoding support, and it's got a handy wizard if i remember right (I always use the cmd line)

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coffee88:

i feel like i'm getting there... just exacty where "there" is is still a bit hazy though...

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slaine_:

qu0zl, I suggested that earlier, stop robbing my ideas and pretending they're yours

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slaine_:

:P

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qu0zl:

go do some work slacker

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slaine_:

yes boss

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coffee88:

got somthing working, except mplayer doesn't repect the aspect ratio. hmmm.

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stuarta:

Juski: -ab => audio bitrate.

[15:06:30]

Juski:

ahhh

[15:06:51]

Juski:

I'll frick a new script out then

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stuarta:

and there's another one for audio sample rate.

[15:07:43]

Juski:

nifty

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Juski:

how did I miss them then?

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stuarta:

it has about 20 pages of options as coffee88 has just found out :)

[15:08:33]

Juski:

heheh

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Juski:

so -ab for audio bitrate.. what's audio sample rate? -as ?

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stuarta:

-an I think...

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Juski:

btw I saw steve adeff's reply to the -commit post. does he reply to _every_ thread everywhere?

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stuarta:

nope -ar

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Juski:

arrrr

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stuarta:

plus -aq which you can tweak the codecs with

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Juski:

tweak the codecs?

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stuarta:

yeah, play with the obscure settings in the codecs...

[15:11:14]

Juski:

right.. one for me to leave well alone then

[15:11:44]

stuarta:

if you can work out how to use -aq then you deserve to use it...

[15:12:12]

Juski:

regarding other formats – I oculd make the script do ogg & flac, but I don't see the point in flac if the source is lossy anyway

[15:12:39]

stuarta:

with the video codecs you can tweak crap like the min & max quantization factors.

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stuarta:

who uses flac anyway?

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** stuarta puts on the asbestos suit... **

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Juski:

did someone same flame stuarta?

[15:13:59]

Juski:

s/same/say

[15:14:06]

Juski:

not so much a typo as a braindump

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stuarta:

nope, just a precaution... :)

[15:14:26]

** stuarta takes off the suit **

[15:14:53]

Juski:

first time I tried ogg I liked the sound (or rather lack of)... but it took too damn long to encode

[15:15:18]

stuarta:

anyway, if you are playing with the script, the you may want to make sure that desired bitrate ! > broadcast bitrate.

[15:15:22]

coffee88:

hmmm. using seek to try to chop off the crap at the start seems to throw the audio way out of sync. weird. and annoying....

[15:15:31]

Juski:

I spose some guy will argue how mp3 isn't really OSS so we shouldn't use it EVER

[15:16:04]

Juski:

if you said that about DVDs you'd never be able to play DVD in linux :-/

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** stuarta fails to give a shit **

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Juski:

me too. if it works, it stays

[15:17:53]

stuarta:

can I sleep under my desk?

[15:17:59]

GreyFoxx:

Yes

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GreyFoxx:

I use to do that all the time

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** stuarta falls asleep **

[15:18:16]

GreyFoxx:

afternoon naps were a regular occurance :)

[15:18:23]

GreyFoxx:

I'd close my door, laydown and nap heh

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Juski:

this esata whitepaper is interesting.. "One set-top box (STB) vendor, Scientific Atlanta, has already embraced this concept and is promoting a next-generation STB that will have an external Serial ATA connection."... fuddle a sata card to look like a HDD.. bingo

[15:19:08]

GreyFoxx:

Anyone awake here who has an IPTV settop box from their provider ?

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** gardengnome has one which is happily running myhfrontend :) **

[15:21:07]

GreyFoxx:

the S100 ?:)

[15:21:35]

Juski:

gardengnome: get my message?

[15:21:54]

gardengnome:

Juski: yeah, but i haven't looked at it yet. was busy :)

[15:22:12]

Juski:

it was on my machine at work of all places

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gardengnome:

heh

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Juski:

btw I think I might be going for the core 2 duo & that MB. OMG teh speediness ;)

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Zider:

Juski: which core2duo?

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mlehrer:

you mean x2 don't you

[15:26:29]

Zider:

core x2 duo?

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Zider:

;D

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Juski:

the cheap one. it's bound to blow my crappy 32-bit XP 2800+ away

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gardengnome:

mlehrer: no.

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gardengnome:

Juski: how many gigahurtz does that 2800+ have, btw?

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Zider:

Juski: ~ 1,8 ghz?

[15:27:07]

Juski:

erm.. how much housekeeping is mythbackend sposed to be doing?

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mlehrer:

intel is teh suck

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gardengnome:

mlehrer: huh?

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Juski:

keep your opinions to yerself mlehrer

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gardengnome:

mlehrer: go read some benchmarks

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** stuarta suspect the BE does sweet FA housekeeping **

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mlehrer:

i am just trying to help, i got burned pretty bad by "benchmarks" on the prescott chips

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Juski:

stuarta: so maybe you can explain this:

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jams:

Juski- it doesn't dust or do the dishes

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Zider:

prescott was shite yes, doesn

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Zider:

doesn't mean that all intel is bad

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stuarta:

does autoexpire crap

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mlehrer:

the x2 3800 is a great chip and super cheap

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Juski:

http://pastebin.ca/147673

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stuarta:

actually nobodys written the "crap" expirer yet...

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Juski:

ah.. might just be autoexpire

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Juski:

even so – seems to be running a lot

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Juski:

wonder if the sql server is getting logjammed

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gardengnome:

mlehrer: yeah, whatever. the E6300 is better.

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gardengnome:

mlehrer: i was gonna get an x2 3800+ myself till i saw those conroe/allendale chips

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stuarta:

Juski: the autoexpirer runs more often now due to livetv being a recorded....

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stuarta:

recording even

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mlehrer:

i still owe intel for sucking so bad, for so long

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Zider:

I never even considered amd, even when I had a prescott :D

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Juski:

stuarta: I don't even use live :-/

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stuarta:

yeah, but it still has to run to do the cleanup for it...

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mlehrer:

the last good cpu they had was the celeron 300a

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Zider:

P3 was a nice cpu

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stuarta:

8086 was a nice cpu

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Zider:

and core2duo is based on it :D

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Zider:

hehe

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Juski:

dammit where are the autoexpire settings?

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Juski:

eh? when did the autoexpire minimum disk size setting vanish?

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stuarta:

erm, thought that was still there, but you can't disable autoexpire

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Juski:

i don't want to. I want it to check less often

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Juski:

maybe commflagging being set to highest cpu usage was part of the problem

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poonj:

hey guys...are there any USB or PCMCIA video capture cards that work well under linux?

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Juski:

the settings for it were in mythfrontend I think.. but I can't find them in either mfe or mythtv-setup

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Juski:

poonj: see www.linuxtv.org and the wiki there

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poonj:

Juski, does the Hauppauge WinTV USB 2 work well with mythtv using the V4L driver?

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Juski:

poonj: see www.linuxtv.org and the wiki there

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poonj:

I'm reading the wiki..

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poonj:

I see the devices supported..

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jimg:

Hey all, still having no luck pull data from datadirect, as you can see from my posts, getting ready to run our of data in my listings, any suggestions?

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Juski:

poonj: no idea how well (or if) it works

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poonj:

umm okay

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Juski:

but hey dont take my word for it. do some research :)

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poonj:

yeah, thats what I'm tring to do...

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Juski:

I heard the DVB USB stuff works quite well but no idea about the analogue

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Kyler:

/msg NickServ IDENTIFY 80c6c4

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gardengnome:

thanks.

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Kyler:

crap...

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gardengnome:

heh

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stuarta:

time for a new password

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Kyler:

Where's that link for help when I need it?

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stuarta:

/msg nickserv help

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stuarta:

:)

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Juski:

is that hauppauge nova-t 500 the one using the USB bridge on the same card?

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Juski:

oops no. its 2 usb devices on one pci card. dodgy

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Kyler:

stuarta: Thanks for the help. It'd be fun to watch who tries to use discovered Freenode passwords on other boxes. When I have more time...

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Juski:

hrm. does mythbackend do reschedule after you delete recordings?

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GreyFoxx:

Some episodes might not be scheduled due to a recording limit on how many episodes you can have at one time

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GreyFoxx:

so by deleting 1 you open a "slot"

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Juski:

interesting

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Juski:

the other night mythweb was being a bit slow when I was deleting a couple of shows.. if I closed my browser would that mean the process didn't finish cleanly and thus stop the reschedule?

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poonj:

fysa, are you there?

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gardengnome:

http://projects.gatorlug.org/truthinesstv/wiki – wee, mythtv fork!

[16:48:46]

gardengnome:

oh, interesting. looks like Cardoe is involved.

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kormoc:

actually, it's not a fork

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Juski:

gardengnome: told you so :-)

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kormoc:

it's a re-implementation that speaks the myth protocol

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fysa:

yes, poonj

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kormoc:

it's not gonna be as feature rich, but smaller, and faster/easier to setup for say the pvr card users

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poonj:

hey fysa, I'm trying to setup a system that has an individual hard drive that is used to boot the system up and a separate software RAID 5 for storage. My question is, if the system HD crashes, maintaining the RAID 5 and its data after I reinstall the system would not be an issue am I correct?

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fysa:

Correct, it wouldn't be an issue. But if you're building a RAID anyway, I'd suggest that you do it a little differently and put the main system on the RAID also.

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gardengnome:

kormoc: yeah. but the've got 0.19-fixes in their svn repo :)

[16:53:14]

sigger:

kormoc, been playing with the "dream system" you outfitted yesterday.

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fysa:

It will give you another bay for a RAID drive.

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Juski:

this is the worst thing to happen to mythtv for a long time :-(

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poonj:

fysa, so just setup the RAID from the installation process?

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gardengnome:

kormoc: i don't see that there's a lot of work going on there..

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poonj:

fysa, that makes sense...

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fysa:

I partitioned away 5gb on each of my drives so I could make a couple RAID-0s off the same drives that are RAID-5'd.

[16:54:19]

poonj:

fysa, well, I would just make one RAID 5 system

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fysa:

you can't boot off RAID 5 though..

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poonj:

oh?

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Juski:

well it's not been dug yet anyway...

[16:55:15]

poonj:

ummm, the RAID 5 is used to data storage..

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gardengnome:

Juski: who cares about web 2.0 kiddies anyways :)

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poonj:

maybe I'd go with my initial setup then

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fysa:

one sec

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sigger:

since the video card's heatsink looks like it might not, found a somewhat less powerful fanless ASUS vidcard with a more friendly heatsink (EN7600GS). Also seems newegg deactivated the Shuttle/ASUS case/mobo within the last 24 hours.

[16:56:33]

fysa:

can you private /msg?

[16:56:43]

poonj:

yeah

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poonj:

I can

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Juski:

hey as long as the gentoo ebuilds stay maintained..

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gardengnome:

heh

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Juski:

had a good argument with a guy at work today – he was whining about mythtv & how much it sucks AGAIN

[17:01:18]

Juski:

"compared to XBMC...".. yeh well why don't the guys at XBMC write a proper XBMC with hooks into the mythtv protocol hmm? I thought so

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gardengnome:

just shoot him next time.

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Juski:

and the old "it can't even browse a dvd full of xvids" came up. SO? GTFOH man. I wished him luck building that linux kernel on his own though.. on mandriva

[17:03:31]

Juski:

mandriva.. on vmware... on windows xp.. sheesh

[17:04:22]

Juski:

I'm partially tempted to suggest we make mythtv even harder to install just to spite folks like that

[17:04:32]

Juski:

muhahahaha

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Juski:

</rant>

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gardengnome:

might be fun

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gardengnome:

./configure --enable-bitch

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fysa:

poonj: get my messages?

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Juski:

./configure --enable-type-every-compiler-option-by-hand

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fysa:

poonj: I'm not getting any from you, if you're sending ;)

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Juski:

hmm I think it's time I went home & forget all about this horrible place (work)

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Juski:

laters, all

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quink:

anyone around?

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** gardengnome hides behind a tree **

[17:41:01]

quink:

hah

[17:41:15]

quink:

well i'm still having troubles that i can't figure out what the cause is.

[17:41:30]

quink:

livetv does not work. ivtv works. watching videos work

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quink:

nice.

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xris:

quink: what errors do you see in the console logs?

[17:44:09]

quink:

let me grab em.

[17:45:02]

quink:

http://pastebin.com/775024

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xris:

quink: now from the backend

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quink:

oh right

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quink:

nothing in it really.

[17:54:45]

quink:

http://pastebin.com/775030

[17:54:46]

quink:

last few lines

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jimg:

Are there any alternative tv listing grabbers that don't use datadirect in the US?

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Anduin:

quink: If you are going to try to trim your logs when pasting, at a minimum do it around the same time. (You probably have a bad startchan)

[17:58:13]

quink:

Anduin: that isn't a trim

[17:58:23]

quink:

thats the last few lines. before that was a mythfilldatabase run

[17:58:59]

quink:

or maybe i'm misunderstanding you.

[17:59:05]

Anduin:

quink: So trying live tv, right now, produces 0 lines in your backend log?

[17:59:31]

quink:

yes.

[18:00:04]

quink:

just tried again to make sure.

[18:01:25]

Anduin:

quink: Then rerun the backend with -v record,channel

[18:01:33]

quink:

ok.

[18:03:11]

quink:

well thats weird. when i manually run mythbackend instead of /etc/init.d/mythbackend start, livetv works

[18:03:50]

Anduin:

quink: What user are you running the backend as?

[18:04:19]

jams:

oh Anduin is here

[18:04:36]

quink:

root

[18:04:46]

jams:

hi Anduin

[18:04:51]

Anduin:

quink: And how many cards do you have?

[18:04:56]

quink:

1

[18:04:59]

Anduin:

Jams: Hi

[18:05:43]

quink:

http://optimusprimal.com/~quink/out.log thats the log i just made

[18:05:45]

Anduin:

quink: and your script really runs the backend as root?

[18:06:08]

quink:

it should.

[18:06:10]

quink:

let me see though

[18:06:34]

quink:

ah no, it runs it as mythtv

[18:07:10]

Anduin:

quink: distro?

[18:07:22]

quink:

gentoo

[18:08:02]

quink:

things were working fine, i did something along the lines of updating a package or something and i broke it. i backtraced what i did with no luck though

[18:08:07]

Anduin:

quink: You probably have a perms issue on that video device.

[18:09:29]

quink:

lr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 10 Aug 24 10:28 /dev/video0 -> v4l/video0

[18:09:44]

quink:

crw-rw---- 1 root video 81, 0 Dec 31 1969 /dev/v4l/video0

[18:09:48]

quink:

and mythtv is in group video

[18:10:35]

Anduin:

quink: Then run the backend as mythtv with -v record,channel and see.

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jams:

Anduin recent attempts at compiling mythvideo has given me this error http://pastebin.ca/147835

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Anduin:

jams: You need to update your main svn trunk as well

[18:13:15]

jams:

ok

[18:13:18]

jams:

thanks

[18:13:59]

Anduin:

Yup, I changed MythUIImageType so GetSize actually returned, well, the size.

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jams:

and away we go

[18:15:14]

jams:

attempting to add those theme changes you made to my themes

[18:15:57]

jams:

*almost* done with mytharchive, and those mythvideo changes are next on the list

[18:16:37]

fysa:

mytharchive was locking up on me when I tried to 'Select Recordings' last night

[18:18:01]

Anduin:

I wonder how many themes there are out there, I get the sinking feeling I should have fixed the bug in the code as well.

[18:19:06]

jams:

heh your change looked trivial compared to others

[18:19:18]

jams:

I am dreading the mythweather revamp

[18:20:12]

Anduin:

jams: It is, just two new selectors. The bug is if you use a new theme and save it as the default, then switch to one that doesn't have them... well things you can't see or change will control your view. Not that I expect the two new selectors to be good defaults, but...

[18:20:41]

jams:

nice!

[18:22:21]

Anduin:

I take comfort in the fact that it isn't a new bug

[18:22:57]

jams:

We can add it to the list of theme strangeness. #1 being why cant I see the setup screens with minimalist-wide

[18:23:16]

Anduin:

feature

[18:23:32]

jams:

right "theme features"

[18:23:36]

Anduin:

Though I think you can now (you always could before, just nor easily)

[18:24:03]

jams:

yeah it was always there, you just had to press pgdown

[18:24:21]

quink:

ok. it sa premissions issue like you said, but where my recordings are being kept

[18:24:23]

jams:

I found it and reported it to gecko when he first introducted the theme

[18:24:52]

quink:

but i can't figure out why there is an issue.

[18:25:07]

Anduin:

jams: I always thought it was intentional

[18:25:11]

jams:

nope

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Anduin:

jams: I had no trouble with it the other day when I made the change in there and was forced to use it.

[18:26:03]

jams:

well intentional in the way the gecko implemented horizontal themes

[18:26:32]

quink:

TFW, Error: Opening file '/mnt/media/tv/recordings/1046_20060824112332.mpg'.

[18:26:35]

quink:

eno: Permission denied (13)

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Anduin:

quink: Check /mnt then /mnt/media then /mnt/media/tv

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jams:

hmm he really needs to return soon

[18:31:09]

Kelerion:

oh great.. yet another packaging system... anyone ever heard of 'scons'??

[18:31:58]

RaYmAn-Bx:

that's a makefile-like system, isn't it?

[18:32:04]

Anduin:

Kelerion: Yes, it is hyped in ##C++ often.

[18:32:40]

Kelerion:

RaYmAn-Bx, no idea yet.. just installing all it's deps.. like mono.. lol

[18:33:05]

Anduin:

If fulfills your wish to write chunks of your build process in python.

[18:33:21]

Kelerion:

ahh.. lol

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quink:

http://pastebin.com/775060

[18:34:55]

Anduin:

quink: and user mythtv is in media... if so yeah, I don't see a problem.

[18:35:31]

quink:

http://pastebin.com/775062 yep

[18:35:43]

quink:

and that folder is mounted RW

[18:36:56]

Anduin:

quink: and your uids match on the remote server?

[18:37:11]

quink:

how do i check that. that i'm not familiar with.

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Anduin:

quink: Just compare them, you can't 'touch /mnt/media/tv/test' as mythtv can you?

[18:39:04]

quink:

no.

[18:39:24]

quink:

or if i can i don't konw how.

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Anduin:

quink: Is this an NFS mount?

[18:40:10]

quink:

nope

[18:40:15]

quink:

just a second hard drive

[18:41:00]

quink:

the only thing that has happened that made it 'break' that i can reacall is either its been a while since i last had to reboot and there were some previous pending changes that i ocmpletely forgot about, or i installed/updated some packages recently and they borked it. but i reverted all recent updates just in case and rebuilt mythtv + various other packages

[18:41:01]

Anduin:

quink: Then ignore the uid stuff

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Juski:

pleh

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Juski:

evening all

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quink:

evening.

[18:41:41]

quink:

or morning, depending where you are at.

[18:42:43]

quink:

been working on this thing far too long that without tv i'm loosing my grasp of reality i think

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Juski:

heh

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Juski:

try working on mythtv itself, or the themes.. then you'll know what that means ;)

[18:44:02]

quink:

Juski: maybe one of these days

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Kelerion:

evening Juski :)

[18:44:17]

quink:

i don't mind coding. but then again i don't have any 'real' experience yet.

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Juski:

evening Kelerion. I got the bones of my postcode checker working last night. then I found a bug today & fixed it...

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jimg:

Is anyone else having problems getting listings from datadirect?

[18:45:55]

Kelerion:

excellent :) so whats it doing so far? you type in your postcode and it decides what mast your using?

[18:46:06]

Juski:

Kelerion: xmltvid & region so far

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Juski:

the other stuff will be easy to add

[18:46:19]

Kelerion:

good good :)

[18:46:34]

Juski:

the bug was something simple I'd overlooked

[18:46:51]

Kelerion:

if only all bugs were like that :)

[18:47:02]

Juski:

doing a regex search for L13, gave me BL13 too. oops

[18:47:22]

Kelerion:

ahh :)

[18:47:33]

opello:

jimg: yeah, only 12 days now it seems?

[18:47:44]

quink:

that how you name your variables?

[18:47:45]

jimg:

So I'm not the only one know

[18:48:05]

jimg:

I've posted to the lists for a couple of days now

[18:48:23]

opello:

jimg: yeah i asked in here before and someone else confirmed it for me ... so pretty odd

[18:48:39]

opello:

maybe they just changed the policy from 14 to 12 days :/

[18:49:00]

jimg:

Nope, even the client from their website doesn't work

[18:49:20]

jimg:

I tried the java client on my windows machine it couldn't pool the data

[18:49:47]

opello:

oh odd

[18:49:59]

opello:

i was still getting data yesterday, just 12 days of it

[18:50:00]

Anduin:

jimg: You are the one getting the read error?

[18:50:26]

jimg:

ya

[18:51:05]

Anduin:

jimg: I get real data, no read error

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jimg:

I'm not getting anything at all with any client at all now, just like opello

[18:51:57]

opello:

jimg: i'll have to check tonight, but as of yesterday i was still having valid data, just 12 days worth

[18:52:33]

quink:

damn it i hate computers

[18:53:23]

jimg:

Anduin, I just ran it right now – it stops after 4,626 bytes

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kormoc:

opello, I just have 10 days myself

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Anduin:

jimg: Have you tried from another location (I'd suspect some other, possibly local, network issue)

[18:56:13]

opello:

kormoc: i can't check now :/ but i'll be sure to in about 3 hours ... i might have been wrong

[18:56:41]

kormoc:

opello, zap2it's just been giving me errors the past few days rather then data

[18:57:06]

jimg:

I'm took the machine to my neighbors, I'm on Verizon DSL, they are on Adelphia cable, the same issue

[18:57:13]

opello:

i do remember seeing a 'failed' message on mythweb's status page, but then i ran it by hand and everything looked ok, just said 12 days of guide data

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jimg:

Anduin, just got new

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jimg:

error

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** Juski needs a data input monkey **

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stuarta:

the ones at itv are cheap

[18:58:31]

Aid`:

does anyone here have problems installing kernels from kernel.org for Debian Sarge?

[18:58:42]

jimg:

http://pastebin.ca/147898

[18:58:49]

jimg:

Notice the No Route to host

[18:58:53]

Juski:

stuarta: lol. I wouldn't rely on their data for configuring mythtv

[18:58:59]

stuarta:

Aid`: nope, I just make sure I use make-kpkg to build them

[18:59:08]

Aid`:

im getting strange errors

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kormoc:

jimg, I get the same thing

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opello:

unauthorized, try logging into the web interface?

[18:59:43]

Anduin:

jimg: The no route to host thing means they are probably moving things.

[18:59:53]

kormoc:

opello, that's normal

[18:59:56]

Aid`:

stuarta: i compiled the 2.6.17 kernel w/make-kpkg and installed it and then it didn't work, it had a weird PANIC...

[18:59:58]

jimg:

Anduin, that's what I was thinking

[19:00:02]

Aid`:

stuarta: what kernel do you have

[19:00:10]

kormoc:

opello, I can log into the web interface, but I still get name resolution failure right now

[19:00:18]

jimg:

But what surprised me from the mailing lists, is that I was the only one complaining about it

[19:00:30]

kormoc:

jimg, most people won't notice to be honest

[19:00:34]

kormoc:

till they're out of data

[19:00:36]

kormoc:

or just about out

[19:00:41]

stuarta:

Aid`: I run 2.6.15.6, mainly due to a kernel bug in later versions on my hardware...

[19:00:42]

quink:

hm. maybe it is a user issue. i'll just delete the mythtv user and recreate

[19:02:00]

kormoc:

opello, jimg, http://bb.labs.zap2it.com/viewtopic.php?t=791

[19:02:12]

kormoc:

opello, jimg, they know they're having issues and are working on a fix

[19:02:16]

Aid`:

stuarta: im having major problems i just don't know what is wrong either. I installed a 'backup' copy of the current version that i have. then i went to upgrade to 2.6.17 so i could use some DVB-S module stuff and then it gives me saying unable to mount orot fs on...

[19:02:17]

Anduin:

jimg: The few times I've run out of data I didn't notice until I missed a recording (trust myth too much)

[19:02:23]

xris:

I'm soliciting favorite adjectives to describe mythtv for a press release... any suggestions?

[19:02:24]

opello:

kormoc: aha, good to know

[19:02:29]

Ryushin:

Will mythtranscode make use of more than one cpu1 for a single job?

[19:02:44]

Ryushin:

It seems to sometimes, but not others.

[19:02:51]

Kelerion:

xris: "life-changing"

[19:02:59]

stuarta:

Aid`: initrd issues.

[19:03:16]

Aid`:

is it easy to fix?

[19:03:25]

Kelerion:

is that an adjective? I hated english at school.. lol

[19:03:29]

stuarta:

do you have an initrd for the new kernel?

[19:03:41]

kormoc:

Ryushin, it will just load balance like any normal pogram, in other words, it will use the least loaded cpu, but only a single cpu, not both at once

[19:03:46]

xris:

Ryushin: likely not.. but if you only have 2 cpu's, that's generally a good thing, since with threading, audio processing, etc often goes to the second.

[19:03:51]

Aid`:

stuarta: no sir, dont they come with the kernel package from kernel.org?

[19:04:26]

stuarta:

you are compiling it from source so part of that is to make the initrd.

[19:04:41]

stuarta:

I assume that you are currently running the working kernel?

[19:04:52]

Aid`:

course

[19:05:05]

Aid`:

i goto the directory of the linux source do a make-kpkg kernel-image

[19:05:25]

stuarta:

ah. trick make-kpkg kernel-image --initrd

[19:05:39]

stuarta:

tells it to make the initrd for you when you install it.

[19:06:14]

Aid`:

that might work

[19:06:17]

Aid`:

let me try it then?

[19:07:29]

Aid`:

stuarta: ok thanks..... ill give it a try. Hope that i dont have to go back and bug you soon :P

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** Beirdo is cooking some seafood paella **

[19:18:22]

Beirdo:

damn that stuff smells good

[19:18:35]

Juski:

is there any other kind of paella?

[19:18:36]

** stuarta cooks a mean paella **

[19:18:47]

stuarta:

chicken & chorizo

[19:18:53]

Beirdo:

there are other kinds, yes, but I like seafood

[19:18:56]

stuarta:

vege, mixed

[19:19:14]

Beirdo:

chorizo would be pretty good

[19:19:27]

stuarta:

mmmm

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Ryushin:

Hmmm... Okay. Maybe two jobs were transcoding when I only thought it was one.

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Aid:

stuarta: works :)

[19:22:29]

stuarta:

:)

[19:22:41]

Aid:

just gotta figure out how to get this bloody nvidia driver working w/this kernel again

[19:22:43]

Ryushin:

But yea, the 2nd cpu is a huge boon to the mythbox. I can playback 1080i in mpeg4. Very nice.

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Aid:

im probably going to have to go back to my other configuration because i dont like surfing the net in just TEXT

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[jasper]:

hello guys, I'm wondering when I try to rip dvd I get a message it can't be ripped because I don't have a transcoding program

[19:23:49]

Ryushin:

No more need to try and get XvMC working anymore.

[19:23:51]

[jasper]:

but when I type mtd in console it works..

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[jasper]:

anyone got a clue?

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Anduin:

[jasper]: mtd doesn't have to transcode, if you are trying something other than perfect or iso you need transcode

[19:25:08]

[jasper]:

I got transcode emerged Anduin

[19:25:16]

[jasper]:

so what do I need for the rip dvd stuff?

[19:25:23]

[jasper]:

perfect?

[19:25:38]

Anduin:

[jasper]: perfect is just vob ripping

[19:25:55]

Anduin:

[jasper]: and should work without transcode

[19:26:06]

Juski:

woo. now extracting ITV regions too. dunno why anyone would want those though

[19:27:09]

Juski:

Kelerion: gimme first part of yer postcode please.. for testing :)

[19:27:29]

[jasper]:

but anduin when I go to media – rip dvd

[19:27:31]

[jasper]:

I get that warning

[19:27:33]

Kelerion:

LS8

[19:27:39]

[jasper]:

so I can't rip anything atm

[19:27:48]

[jasper]:

do I need to have mtd running all the time?

[19:27:50]

[jasper]:

for that to work?

[19:28:04]

Juski:

north.bbc1.bbc.co.uk yorkshire.granadatv.co.uk correct?

[19:28:08]

Anduin:

[jasper]: or hit a number key when it isn't running and you see that screen

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Kelerion:

yup yup :)

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Juski:

only about 650 lines to work that out.. heh

[19:29:00]

** Kelerion chuckles **

[19:29:04]

Juski:

the code is like 10 lines though

[19:29:17]

Kelerion:

and 540 comments? lol

[19:29:21]

Kelerion:

640

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[jasper]:

hmm Anduin do you know where I can set where mtd stores its log file?

[19:29:33]

Juski:

640 lines of XML-ish ness

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** Kelerion laughs **

[19:29:52]

Juski:

hence the need for a data entry monkey

[19:29:58]

Anduin:

[jasper]: It stores it in the temp rip directory, so if you change that...

[19:30:05]

Juski:

all I did was format it though ;)

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[jasper]:

ah k Anduin

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Juski:

http://pastebin.ca/147928 – have a looky Kelerion :)

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** Kelerion checks it out **

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Juski:

it's ok I corrected the error just now

[19:32:36]

Kelerion:

ahh.. thats a funky way to do it.. then only the xml libs as deps which most ppl have

[19:32:43]

Juski:

yup

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Juski:

XML::Simple.. my new bitch

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** Kelerion laughs **

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Kelerion:

thats a requirement of imdb.pl too.. so any myth user will have it :)

[19:35:10]

Juski:

hmm I might need some scraper scripts to cross-ref postcodes to mast data

[19:35:35]

Juski:

into my xml-ish format I mean

[19:35:48]

Kelerion:

that'll be a challenge

[19:36:13]

[jasper]:

hmm anduin, I get this menu

[19:36:19]

[jasper]:

it says 0 Process selected title

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[jasper]:

and then it says no jobs and nothing else to do

[19:37:02]

Anduin:

[jasper]: It isn't very friendly when it fails, check the mtd.log

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Kelerion:

never done any xml'ish stuff

[19:38:13]

[jasper]:

bad destination directory in job request anduin

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Anduin:

[jasper]: fix that

[19:39:07]

Juski:

Kelerion: writing the file is easy

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[jasper]:

'hmm anduin how?

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[jasper]:

I jujst changed it to /home/rips

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[jasper]:

and rips has chmod 777

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Anduin:

[jasper]: Yeah, the temp directory is only used when transcoding, other wise MythDVD just rips to your MythVideo directory.

[19:42:03]

[jasper]:

oh k

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sigger:

anyone care to opine on this box as a mythfront end, particularly with on board graphics? My uneducated feeling is to be wary of those. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16856101486

[19:45:13]

Kelerion:

brb

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jams:

sigger- it would work, cept for the onboard graphics

[19:50:04]

sigger:

why not the onboard?

[19:51:40]

jams:

its an intgrated intel. Those often have trouble doing custom resolutions

[19:52:33]

jams:

it's also a 950, while it may be supported I don't know that for sure

[19:52:59]

fysa:

it's best to search as much about everything on that board and its usage with linux/mythtv before even thinking about getting started. :P

[19:53:20]

fysa:

you can save yourself hundreds of hours..

[19:53:50]

sigger:

I agree. this was my second stop. :) fysa what card do you use in your Silverstone (?) HTPC case?

[19:54:25]

fysa:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131570R

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Tronic:

Is there some key to lock the keyboard or something?

[19:54:56]

jams:

sigger also watch out for onboard sound issues

[19:54:57]

sigger:

ooh, onboard graphics for $55?

[19:55:01]

Tronic:

I'm watching live TV and none of the keys seem to have any effect.

[19:55:01]

fysa:

It wasn't supported by much when I got it and I spent dozens of hours compiling/tweaking/hacking around stuff.

[19:55:06]

fysa:

.. until I switched to SUSE 10.1.

[19:55:31]

fysa:

and most of my problems went away.

[19:55:32]

sigger:

ah, good point. I'm using knoppmyth (prolly no surprise)

[19:55:33]

jams:

Tronic- scroll lock?

[19:55:45]

fysa:

it needs a very new alsa

[19:55:46]

Tronic:

No effect.

[19:55:56]

fysa:

but I have AC3-passthrough working now

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Anduin:

Tronic: Are you running a window manager?

[19:56:08]

Tronic:

Anduin: Yes. xfwm4

[19:56:35]

Tronic:

It keeps saying this in the log:

[19:56:36]

Tronic:

2006-08–24 22:54:25.646 NVP: prebuffering pauseAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[19:56:38]

fysa:

and depending on which case you use, MSI's 6150 may be a better choice. it's a better board.

[19:56:46]

fysa:

but it doesn't quite fit right in this silverstone case.

[19:57:05]

fysa:

(the PCI slots don't align with the PCI L-adapter)

[19:57:10]

Tronic:

Every few minutes, possibly when I have hit enough keys.

[19:57:31]

Anduin:

Tronic: You are using the keyboard?

[19:57:32]

sigger:

hehe, yeah all I need is the right mobo (with no major alsa upgrade) in the right case with the right graphics card.

[19:57:37]

Tronic:

Anduin: Yes.

[19:57:48]

Anduin:

Tronic: Make sure it still has focus.

[19:58:06]

Tronic:

Done that.

[19:58:14]

fysa:

but SUSE 10.1 worked perfectly. I think you need 1.0.11-rc3 or newer.

[19:58:16]

Juski:

wow. we sure have a lot of tv masts in the UK

[19:58:26]

Tronic:

I am Alt+Tabbing between it and Irssi right now.

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Tronic:

Clicking "mythfrontend" on the taskbar makes no difference either.

[19:58:45]

sigger:

rc3 of alsa?

[19:58:55]

fysa:

yes, for support on this board.

[19:59:05]

Juski:

rofl... http://www.beebeesee.co.uk/

[19:59:06]

Anduin:

Tronic: Did you change the key bindings?

[19:59:09]

fysa:

if you have a more generic MicroATX case that doesn't need a 90-degree adapter..

[19:59:09]

Tronic:

No.

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fysa:

get the MSI 6150.

[19:59:31]

fysa:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813130053

[19:59:57]

fysa:

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.ph . . . &page=19

[20:00:00]

fysa:

and bookmark that thread ;)

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sigger:

mmmm, 33 page thread. my boss thanks you. ;)

[20:00:57]

Tronic:

Hmm.. Now it is doing something.

[20:01:20]

Tronic:

The TV froze and it is flooding the log with NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times.

[20:01:36]

fysa:

I liked the 6150 enough that I bought the 6150 for my wife's computer. Plays Sims 2 decently with settings turned down, and has a PCI-Express slot that lets you disable onboard completely if you ever upgrade.

[20:01:41]

fysa:

er, bought the MSI 6150

[20:02:16]

** fysa wonders when we'll see a 7150 board... **

[20:02:19]

Tronic:

http://rafb.net/paste/results/TQhAoy20.html

[20:02:42]

Juski:

oh fuck. I knew channel 5 would throw a spanner in the works

[20:02:47]

sigger:

fysa: while your at it any case you'd recommend for this? :)

[20:02:54]

Tronic:

It is becoming annoyingly clear that there are two kinds of programs.

[20:03:19]

fysa:

http://www.pcalchemy.com/product_info.php/pNa . . . e/htpc-cases

[20:03:22]

fysa:

this is the case I'm using..

[20:03:49]

fysa:

PVR-500, Fusion5HDTV, DVD-RW and a small HDD. Most everything else is stored on a file servef.

[20:03:51]

fysa:

server..

[20:03:55]

** stuarta wonders when this became the shopping channel... **

[20:04:07]

Tronic:

The first kind is rock-solid and fast, but doesn't do much of anything special. The second kind has a lot of neat features, but is bloated and crashes most of the time. My theory is that careful development leads to the first kind and fast to the second kind.

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fysa:

it's OK, but it only works with the ASUS and you need to make sure you get the new/upgraded power supply. When I first got it, I had to hang a full-size ATX PSU off the case because it didn't have enough amperage on the +12v to post. :P

[20:04:39]

Juski:

"/ignore pc bits talk"

[20:05:07]

Juski:

bastard channel five. they foiled my cunning plan

[20:05:09]

fysa:

it's quiet and looks pretty good, but as I keep it in my closet I probably would have gotten a bigger case instead.

[20:05:17]

fysa:

or just a Q-Pack or whatever.

[20:05:21]

Tronic:

mythfrontend is leaking a lot of memory, so I am killing it now.

[20:05:35]

Tronic:

(1.8 gigabytes of swap used already)

[20:05:40]

fysa:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . 0&Go.y=0

[20:05:46]

sigger:

so it would not work with the MSI then, right

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fysa:

yeah, with the MSI you basically won't get any usable PCI slots.. :P

[20:06:00]

Juski:

Tronic: thats not good. something is very very very wrong. my mythfrontend leaks no memory

[20:06:13]

Juski:

or so little I've never noticed

[20:06:17]

fysa:

I use a QPack with my wife's MSI 6150..

[20:06:31]

fysa:

it's pretty nice.

[20:06:36]

sigger:

don't need PC slots, with the possible exception of the PCIE if I go that route

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fysa:

I'd look at Silverstone's newer MicroATX cases too.. pcalchemy has a ton.

[20:07:59]

Juski:

stuarta: you don't happen to know of any websites that do a postcode to tv channel list do you?

[20:08:01]

** sigger fears putting this stuff together and believes that computers (like vicious animals) can smell fear. **

[20:08:19]

sigger:

ok, will look at pcalchemy as well. much thanks.

[20:08:37]

fysa:

http://www.pcalchemy.com/product_info.php/pNa . . . e/htpc-cases

[20:08:43]

fysa:

this is nice because it uses standard ATX PSUs..

[20:08:44]

stuarta:

not that I know of... never had need for such a thing....

[20:09:38]

Juski:

course we could just say sod the analogue users. be a lot of work for something that'll be a dinosoar in 6 years

[20:10:19]

stuarta:

how did ch5 bugger up the system

[20:10:49]

Juski:

they're on different masts

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Juski:

most of the time

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Juski:

and local relays often don't carry ch5

[20:12:09]

stuarta:

ah, lets look forward on this one....

[20:13:33]

Juski:

starting to think that way... I mean I could add another file section just for C5 but then the script would have to be clever enough to work out where the nearest c5 mast is & hook that in

[20:14:38]

Juski:

I now know why nobody has done this before :)

[20:14:42]

Kelerion:

dammit.. I can't stop the screen blanking on me in ubuntu.. have disabled dpms in xorg.conf .. have added all acpi=off and variants to bootup.. have set screensaver to not activate... but it's still blanking every 10 mins or so!! lol

[20:14:48]

Juski:

it's too much work!

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sigger:

fysa, looking at audio chipset: MSI's realtek is one of those widely supported ones, yes?

[20:16:33]

Juski:

and there are 'only' 1151 mast locations in the UK :-|

[20:16:42]

Juski:

not counting Ch5

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Anduin:

Kelerion: check xset

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Juski:

still, could make it spiffy for 4 channels

[20:17:48]

Juski:

better n' nowt :)

[20:18:09]

Kelerion:

ahh..good idea... forgot about that one.. lol

[20:18:20]

Juski:

easy to turn into xml too.. save this file in ere as .csv, then make a script

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Juski:

right. how do I turn a national grid ref. into a postcode?

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Kelerion:

oh oh oh.. I know that one Juski :P

[20:21:07]

Juski:

you do?

[20:21:09]

Juski:

nifty

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Kelerion:

yup.. check out the google maps docs.. they have a ton of info on it

[20:21:43]

Kelerion:

they use it for the pins they put on the maps

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Juski:

the API docs?

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Kelerion:

yup

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Juski:

ugh java

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Kelerion:

or.. you could screenscape multimap

[20:27:40]

Kelerion:

http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?GridConvert?name=414127

[20:27:58]

Kelerion:

type in a postcode.. select "post code" radio button.. and get the results :)

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Juski:

yup. my screenscraping is erm.. rusty

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lu:

Juski: if u can use perl, I'd check cpan, I'd bet theres a module to do it for u, if not, look at www::mechanize, it makes scraping pretty easy

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Juski:

yeh.. I have a slight aversion to learning new tricks sometimes ;)

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stuarta_:

frigging adsl link

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lu:

ha, understandable

[20:51:36]

lu:

but www::mechanize is pretty easy, I managed even with my pathetic perl abilities, though if the site uses javascript ur outta luck

[20:53:11]

Juski:

no I think it's just plain ole html that comes back

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quink:

yay got it working, finally.

[20:55:11]

quink:

but i'm getting lots of 'rebuffering' in the frontend log

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Juski:

lu: I think it's gonna have to be a job for www::mechanize. it'll keep me occupied tomorrow :)

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quink:

and channels are off by one. but those should be easy fixes.

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lu:

Juski: good luck then

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Juski:

cheers.

[20:58:56]

Juski:

I should get back on track with my theme work soon or I'll miss the unknown deadline

[20:59:16]

quink:

any of you guys use dvi out to a big screen?

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Anduin:

quink: What was it?

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quink:

Anduin: user problems

[21:03:34]

quink:

i deleted the user, recreated and it worked fine

[21:04:51]

quink:

now on to the next 4 problems. i see a lot of rebuffering in the log and need to see what that means, fix the OSD, channels are off by 1, and fix mythstreamtv

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Anduin:

quink: buffering issues are usually disk read or decoder speed related.

[21:05:12]

quink:

disks should be fine. never had that problem before.

[21:05:18]

Anduin:

quink: Unless your display is choppy ignore the buffering.

[21:05:29]

quink:

a little choppy.

[21:05:40]

quink:

on something cnn with the scroll bar you can notice it very slightly stutter

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malverian:

Is it possible to compile MythTV without the QT frontend and use MythWeb as the only user interface?

[21:14:34]

Anduin:

malverian: The backend uses Qt as well.

[21:15:04]

malverian:

Anduin, Oh.. that's right.. for the QT-Mysql stuff.

[21:15:15]

malverian:

Well.. that sucks :-P

[21:15:49]

Anduin:

Qt is a pretty basic requirement

[21:16:54]

malverian:

Sadly I don't have Qt installed (and prefer it that way), so installing MythTv will cause me to compile this massive library simply to use MythTv :'(

[21:17:02]

Tronic:

This time the backend crashed...

[21:17:03]

Tronic:

2006-08–25 00:15:47.341 AFD Error: Unknown decoding error

[21:17:03]

Tronic:

Segmentation fault (core dumped)

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stuarta_:

anyone played with those Hauppage Media MVP's ???

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Tronic:

Why is the DVB live video playback so jittery?

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Tronic:

The speed clearly varies.

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Tronic:

I think that syncing with video (instead of audio) fixes it, but then the sound will start skipping.

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fysa:

Tronic: is your recording folder on the same machine as the card? or on a network drive?

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damian666:

hi folks, is there a good how-to for converting recordings (in my case mpg (hauppauge pvr-500)) with 2-pass or does mythtv support that directly (and if which options should i use) ?

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Paladine:

hello

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** stuarta_ snores loudly **

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Paladine:

just wondering if there were any brits active

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Paladine:

looking for some advice on tv on my linux machine

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** Sebulba02 puts a 10' clothspin on stuarta's nose so he's silent. **

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Sebulba02:

Oof.

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** stuarta is still waiting for a question to be asked. **

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Paladine:

well it would need to be a brit probably

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Paladine:

hense why i asked if there are any brits active

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Sebulba02:

To be, or not to be?

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Anduin:

Paladine: There are several, ask and see

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Paladine:

I have sky TV in my office

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** stuarta knows where this is heading **

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Paladine:

I have been waiting for ages for rivatv to bring out their new version with vivo support on my graphics card, but it is not happening in a hurry so I am looking to get a tv card

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** briand knows, too... but he's not a brit, so he's not really listening. **

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** stuarta isn't a brit, he just lives there. **

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Paladine:

well there were two things I was wonder really

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** briand actively half-listens. **

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Paladine:

would I be ok getting a video capture card and running the sound through my soundcard instead of through the capture card (or would that put the audio out of synch with the video)

[22:30:21]

Paladine:

failing that what is the recommended tv card for linux?

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stuarta:

what are you trying to capture?

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Paladine:

RF signal (or svideo if the card has svideo in)

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Paladine:

from my decoder box

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stuarta:

one of the 150's would do the trick then...

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Paladine:

hauppauge?

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Paladine:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt . . . 320020537905 <- I was looking at that, but there is no audio input so Iwasn't sure if my audio would go out of sync

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damian666:

Paladine: its mpeg encoded already so sound and video are 100% synced by a mpeg-encoder chip.

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Paladine:

but I guess I could use the rf and do audio and video through that, I don't think it will have a huge effect on quality

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Paladine:

damian, so that capture card would do the trick?

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stuarta:

damian666: but from a $ky box you cannot get a digital feed, only the analog feed sent to the tv

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damian666:

yes

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Paladine:

stuarta, you can do svideo from my box too

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Paladine:

damian, sweet cos it is really cheap

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House:

hi

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stuarta:

Paladine: you'll need to search linuxtv to see if anyone's heard of that card.

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damian666:

stuarta: sure but for digital only a card with cam module would do it do better

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Paladine:

I think it is bt878 too

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damian666:

yes it is 878

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stuarta:

what we know is the 150 is well supported.

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damian666:

i have a pvr 500 running

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stuarta:

damian666: there are *no* legal cams for $ky

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Paladine:

well I read the 878 chipset was the best for linux

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damian666:

and it works fine as the other ones (tried also a pvr 350)

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damian666:

Paladine: you need use ivtv drivers for mythtv

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stuarta:

150 or 500 are the current favoured recommendations.

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Paladine:

seems a shame to have 2 vivo cards in my box that I can't use video in on

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damian666:

stuarta: then a hauppauge pvr is the best one

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Paladine:

stuart, yeah but if that capture card will do the trick thats fine

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stuarta:

yup

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Paladine:

I don't need a tuner

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Paladine:

the signal is decoded in the satelite box

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stuarta:

Paladine: if you already have cards with an input, it can't hurt to try it :)

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Paladine:

stuarta, no I can't use my cards, no driver support for the i2c bus yet, nvidia just opened it up recently

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Paladine:

thats why I am looking for the cheapest solution

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stuarta:

fair enuf

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damian666:

Paladine: ok but pvr has 100% sound sync

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Paladine:

that capture card is 7 GBP including shipping

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damian666:

Paladine: i don't know whats the difference from the cheapest card to a pvr, but i suggest if you want to have sync audio to invest the money before seeking and trying to get work something other

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Paladine:

been a while since I had a TV card but they used to just route the sound back through the sound card anyway

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Paladine:

is that still the case?

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damian666:

yes except one with mpeg encoder

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Sebulba02:

whoa, mythtv has almost all of these commercials down

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Paladine:

damian, yeah but if the svideo solution is out of sync I can just use the coax connection on the capture card

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Paladine:

which will solve audio synch issues

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damian666:

thats the idea yes

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Paladine:

am on a low budget, have an 8 month old son

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damian666:

what cpu do you have ? and what resolution do you want to record ?

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Paladine:

I will give the capture card a go

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Paladine:

I can always relist on ebay if it is not suitable

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Paladine:

I think it is gonna beok though

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damian666:

Paladine: coax connection instead of svideo solves the prob of sync audio only with a card having mpeg on it (like the pvr)

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Paladine:

damian, I'll see how it goes

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simon_c_home:

evening all.

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simon_c_home:

Still trying to get all my dvb-t channels sorted out. I've not used dvb-utils to create a channels.conf, and imported it, however the channels it has imported aren't picking up the programming info, even though they are working.

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simon_c_home:

I've used mythweb to set "useonairguide", but still no joy.

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simon_c_home:

interestingly, there's no freqid for these channels.

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ender224455:

quick question about partioning with fedora (I'm using the Howto): It says I should partition it with hda5 as video, but the system keeps setting video has hda2. Why is this?

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simon_c_home:

ender224455: partitioning layout will depend on your own hardware.

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ender224455:

simon_c_home: does it matter which hda# is assigned to each thing (swap, boot, etc..)

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simon_c_home:

ender224455: not in of it self. But the fact you're asking this question shows your knowledge levels aren't really up to the job. Get a good basic book on linux first, and get comfortable with it before trying myth again.

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simon_c_home:

ender224455: there again, you may get lucky and not have any major problems. ......

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ender224455:

simon_c_home: I figure I'll try my luck with the Howto

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simon_c_home:

ender224455: :-) good luck then.

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damian666:

ender224455: in your case i would either suggest knoppix as a distribution that works from cd and can be copied on your system, or take ubuntu as os and then install "mythtv by apt-get install mythtv"

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ender224455:

does that do it automatically?

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damian666:

if your tv-card has a well known chip then a knoppix with mythtv included or an installation of ubuntu with the apt-get thing should bring you quiet near to what you want :)

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ender224455:

so i just install ubuntu, and type in mythtv by apt-get install mytht?

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ender224455:

"mythtv by apt-get install mythtv" rather

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damian666:

ender224455: yes get ubuntu (just as info, you need a tv card to see tv :)

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Sebulba02:

^ a supported tv card

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damian666:

right :)

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ender224455:

I have a hauppage 150 that I know works

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ender224455:

I'm going to try my luck with the fedora guide seeing as its already installing

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ender224455:

is there a good guide for ubuntu?

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damian666:

yes use the ivtv drivers should be in on ubuntu too, most probably you have to compile them by yourself but there are good how-to's for that if needed

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damian666:

just download the image burn it on cd and reboot your system to a better os :)

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damian666:

installation is almost as simple as windoof

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Juski:

so we had a Qt whiner earlier. someone should know that a full mythtv install can fit into 128MB. bloated my eye

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damian666:

btw your windows installation will remain, so you can rund windwos and linux on the same machine, just not at the same time :)

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Juski:

that'd be kinda cool. silly but cool. I used to work for a co. who made systems where you could run multiple OS on different CPUs.. very nifty

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damian666:

Juski: hehe thats the only reason why it was watcheable

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Juski:

sometimes the 'stinker' search in mythweb is useful :)

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damian666:

harhar

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fysa:

has anyone made a gentoo-based distro for myth? that emerges bleeding-edge alsa/ivtv/dvb/v4l/lirc/mplayer/myth-svn?

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Zider:

no, but I'm thinking about putting together an install script for it

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fysa:

that would be nice.. with ratpoison ;)

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Zider:

huh?

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fysa:

ratpoison windowmanager

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Zider:

never heard of it.. I use fluxbox :P

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fysa:

keyboard-based

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Zider:

mkay

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fysa:

and very lightweight

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fysa:

I use CTRL-C+A + x to bring up an xterm and CTRL-C+A + f to restart the frontend.

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fysa:

http://www.nongnu.org/ratpoison/

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Juski:

whoah! I just clicked on a menu item with my mouse & it went in there

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damian666:

night

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briand:

hi all

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briand:

Juski: now i -know- you're running svn ;)

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ender224455:

is there a way to get knoppmyth to act more like windows (with file browsers)?

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pushpop:

Anyone know why when I run a mythfilldatabase

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pushpop:

I never fills the database, it appears to be dling.

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pushpop:

But I can get populate the channels in the setup

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pushpop:

http://pastebin.ca/index.php

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Juski:

hi briand.. yes I'm running svn here. not on my production boxen though

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briand:

Juski: i was reading thru the wiki... see lots of things (including bugs I've filed) that are fixed in 0.19.1 ... but even more exciting stuff on the way for 0.20

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Juski:

can you file bugs in the wiki?

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