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Tuesday, August 22nd, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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_nero_:

Juski- did you make that vid?

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_nero_:

had me dancin over here.. ;)

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Juski:

_nero_ oh yeah

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_nero_:

hehe

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Juski:

somebody had to :)

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_nero_:

its great.. makes showing what it can do easy..

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Juski:

I made it for playing at exhibitions

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_nero_:

nice..

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Juski:

it's been to linuxtag & lugradio live so far

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Juski:

a DVD quality version is available ;)

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Kelerion:

dammit.. i've done this dozens of times... mythweb is saying I haven't install php-mysql and I have.. lol

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_nero_:

thats cool!

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Kelerion:

and allowoverride is on.. and rewrite is loaded... hmph

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Juski:

Kelerion: been there, done that

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_nero_:

I wonder when that one guy is ever going to finish that OldFilm theme..

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Juski:

btw I have most of the xmltvids for the regions sorted now I think (if not all)

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Juski:

_nero_: pardon me, but that was the suckiest theme I ever saw IMHO

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Kelerion:

oh.. excellent :)

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_nero_:

It was was it??

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Juski:

_nero_ yellow? the foreground was way too bright

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Juski:

reverse video text doesn't work too well on TVs either

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_nero_:

OH.. he was doing a yellow, and a blue version..

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_nero_:

and by "he" I mean "me" ;)

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Juski:

hey at least you bothered :)

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Juski:

I've grown to dislike my own themes now – which is why I'm reworking them

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_nero_:

how so?? It really was more of an experiment.. trying to do something different..

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Juski:

and it's all about taste anyway.. I liked the concept.. just not the yellow

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_nero_:

yeah.. I think I'll pick it back up, and play with it a bit..

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Juski:

whichever way you pitch it, mythtv needs more themes.. wide ones especially

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_nero_:

gotta finish the dissertation first.. which should be done, ON WEDNESDAY!! WOOHOO!

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** _nero_ doesnt have a widescreen tv.. :( **

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jams:

bright yellow does not work well with low lighting in the room

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jams:

hi _nero_

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_nero_:

hia jams! :)

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Juski:

_nero_ I don't have a 4:3 TV either, but I still support the 4:3 grayhem :)

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_nero_:

hehe.. I see your point Juski.. ;)

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_nero_:

Tell ya what- I'll send you my 4:3 TV, and you send me your widescreen.. ;)

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Juski:

lol

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Kelerion:

just spent the last 2 hours writing hundreds of sql statements to update channel table with all the right channel numbers for a sky box with every channel thats in the channel_ids file.. .damn that was tiresome.. but tired of doing it manually (I've been doing it for over 3 uears now! lol)

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jams:

oh maybe _nero_ would like to make some icons for mytharchive....

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Juski:

I _think_ the 4:3 theme is ready now so I've been grafting brushed aly onto the -wide version

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Juski:

jams: I'd have no issues making some icons

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_nero_:

I'll make icons.. gotta give me a week though!

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Juski:

but let me get this 2.0 theme out

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jams:

heh

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Juski:

needs to be in the 0.20 theme package :)

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jams:

nice

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Juski:

Kelerion: I feel your pain. I made a channel renumbering script for my channels – it was easier for me cos I can work from a text file with all the numbers & names in though

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Juski:

only trouble is it didn't reset the starting channel.. so when I started livetv it just plopped back to the menu cos the old channel no longer existed (damn that needs a sanity check)

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jams:

_nero_- gave up on the mac, just wasnt' jams friendly

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Kelerion:

paging through sky's program guide page at a time is the only way I can do it.. lol

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Juski:

Kelerion: you're kidding?

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_nero_:

jams- thats cool! It definitely isnt for everyone.. At least ya gave it a try! :)

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Juski:

nobody makes a webshite with all the numbers? not even some nerd on digitalspy?

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jams:

i plan on making it dual boot

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Kelerion:

well yeah.. it's on wikipedia.. but not in a usuable format.. still gotta match every channel up to the xmltvid

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Juski:

I gave ubuntu a run for its money on my desktop the other week. it didn't stay, much as I wanted it to.

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Juski:

Kelerion: there must be a better way

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Juski:

there HAS to be – we need it ;)

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Kelerion:

there is.. now I've written the bloody sql statements.. lol

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Kelerion:

sky don't even publish a table on their site

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Juski:

no I mean a way to find out the numbers...

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Kelerion:

like I say.. theres a complete list on the wikipedia site

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Kelerion:

and I double-checked it and it's all right

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Juski:

okay.. so what's missing?

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Juski:

the xmltvids?

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Kelerion:

nope

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Kelerion:

channel numbers

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Kelerion:

oh.. yeah

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Kelerion:

xmltvids are missing

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Juski:

http://logofreetv.org/?mode=logofreetv_db& . . . e%20Channels

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Juski:

xmltv ids are missing but that's easy sorted

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Kelerion:

hows that easy sorted?

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Juski:

lookups to channel_ids of course

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Juski:

you know I was thinking about this whole thing today – there could be a web app instead

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Juski:

script on the server then scoots off & makes a script which the user downloads & runs.. badabing

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Kelerion:

I was thinking the same thing when you were talking about perl this morning

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Juski:

make stuff easier to maintain by far

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Kelerion:

I could do something like that

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Juski:

only snag is... folks boxen will need tinternet

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Juski:

that's the only minus point I can think of though

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Juski:

but then.. they need tinternet to use xmltv... hmmm

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Kelerion:

not really

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Kelerion:

you can run that from another machine and import it on a myth box

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Juski:

then I realised the other minus point...

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Kelerion:

just gotta do it one a week or so.. lol

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Juski:

this ultimately isn't just gonna be about xmltv & channel setups

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Kelerion:

it isn't?

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Juski:

not just them anyway

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Juski:

do you want mythvideo? (y/n).. where do (or will) the movies live? ... etc

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Juski:

get the user away from some of those 160+ setup screens

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Kelerion:

oh.. you had in a mind a *complete* wizard to set up a myth box?

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Juski:

eventually. the channel setup stuff is the first bit

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cesman:

howdy y'all

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Aid`:

my DVB-S card is not working

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Juski:

I saw today that tv_grab_uk_rt has a --gui option for passing stuff back to another app – could we get mythtv-setup to use it somehow?

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Kelerion:

well.. the major downside is that ideally this should all be done within mythtv.. nice windows and buttons and dropdowns etc then

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Kelerion:

not as a console script or a web app

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Juski:

Kelerion: get the back of it sorted out then maybe someone could be sweet-talked into putting it in.. or else someone else does it

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Kelerion:

yup.. makes sense

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Juski:

though putting the actual definitions online might be an idea

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Juski:

<goes online to check for a newer file....> dum de dummm

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Juski:

heya cesman

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jams:

oh crap I forgot lost my svn repo of the themes when I updated my linode

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Aid`:

i keep getting: 'FATAL: failed to open '/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0': 2 No such file or directory'

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Aid`:

I dont know how to fix it either

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Kelerion:

yanna.. a web app could be created that works very similar to the american type setup

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Juski:

Aid`: soundy likey driver problem

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jams:

oh well least I still have my local copy

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jams:

no history though :(

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Juski:

jams: ouchio

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Aid`:

Juski: im totally new in this sort of thing in linux and i've googled and not found anything sufficient, what do you suggest i do first

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Juski:

Kelerion: yeh but that'd still be for channels.. I'm thinking more about the big picture ;)

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Juski:

cesman: you could give some input on this...

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Kelerion:

my brain ain't working well enough to think of big pictures.. lol

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Juski:

cesman: discussing wizard-ising channel setup & stuff

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Aid`:

brb

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RandomDude15:

I have a problem.

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RandomDude15:

I'm unable to cap stuff off discovery kids...

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RandomDude15:

with myth

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Kelerion:

Juski.. yanno.. pretty much the whole of mythtv is controlled by a database.. and databases can be constructed online and then imported... don't know how "nice" that'd be

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Juski:

Kelerion: prolly have to md5 check it at the other end for safety

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Juski:

RandomDude15: not enough information....

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Kelerion:

well yeah.. but that could all be done with a script on the myth box.. contruct the whole db online.. then run a small perl/php app on the mythbox to go and get it and import it

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Juski:

Kelerion: bingo :)

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Juski:

then when new xmltv ids/channels/providers/whatever come along, one place gets updated

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Kelerion:

hell of a lot easier to write a UI in a webapp than in QT too :P

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Kelerion:

Juski: exactly

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Juski:

but the nice GUI app would still be able to use it

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Kelerion:

yup

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Juski:

anyway that's all miles off yet

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Kelerion:

yup

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** Kelerion chuckles **

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Kelerion:

the main downside is that when the devs update the db in myth.. mirroring changes would need to be done to the webapp

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RandomDude15:

also

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RandomDude15:

if myth isnt already on the channel its recording then the audio sounds so bad and is very cracky

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Juski:

and I can see by the talk on the mailing lists that some discussion of wizardising has gone on before but nothing ever came of it – lost momentum

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Kelerion:

yup.. it's a shame really

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Juski:

RandomDude15: still not enough info about the first part of the problem. if you want help you need to give more than that

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Juski:

<<< jack russell

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Kelerion:

gonna give this some thought :)

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RandomDude15:

and i cant record anything on discovery kids/channel 139 it just says its recorded then when i try to play it it it can't find the file

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Juski:

RandomDude15: warmer... more info

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Kelerion:

tried tuning to the channel manually in myth and seeing what happens?

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RandomDude15:

I can watch it

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RandomDude15:

just fine in myth

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RandomDude15:

on live tv

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Juski:

warmer still... you're getting it

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Juski:

what about other channels you record? do all the recordings work every time?

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RandomDude15:

yes

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RandomDude15:

it works fine on disney channel/channel 35

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RandomDude15:

never had a problem recording there expect

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RandomDude15:

when it isnt already on that channel

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RandomDude15:

the audio is so cracky

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RandomDude15:

sounds like its 32000.... when its 48000

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Juski:

livetv is still recording stuff, and it's the same as when a show is recorded from the schedule

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Juski:

if it works in livetv, there's no real good reason why it wouldn't work for scheduled recordings

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Kelerion:

I've had problems lately too with files not existing.. was hoping todays reinstall would fix it

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RandomDude15:

yes its pissing me off.

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evilDagmar:

RandomDude15: Framegrabber card?

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RandomDude15:

It only happens on this one channel

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RandomDude15:

PVR 150

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Juski:

RandomDude15: I suspect that the channel doesn't always work in livetv – you've just not seen it fail yet

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Kelerion:

I was guessing I was having channel problems.. thats why I've taken so much care on that part of it in this install

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Juski:

I had 6 missing recordings over the weekend. damn aerial connection had fallen out

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Juski:

no 'eee no lock so we don't record' ... db insertions but no files

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Juski:

user error :)

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RandomDude15:

hey juski could the channel be being blocked

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RandomDude15:

from being recored?

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RandomDude15:

*recoded

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Juski:

RandomDude15: it IS being recorded when you're in livetv

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RandomDude15:

yeah I know but when I do it from schedule

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Juski:

it's the _same_ _thing_

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RandomDude15:

the files are ALWAYS missing

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RandomDude15:

when I do it from schedule

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Juski:

same thing, different recording profile

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jams:

interesting mythvideo fails to compile

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evilDagmar:

jams: Pastebin the last part of the output, particularly the error

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Juski:

RandomDude15: has the failing channel worked before? not just in livetv I mean?

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evilDagmar:

RandomDude15: Getting any messages in the logfile for the backend?

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evilDagmar:

It's sounding to me like youv'e got a crappy DMA controller

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jams:

http://pastebin.ca/143357

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Juski:

pcchips .. mmmmm (puke)

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evilDagmar:

Oh fuckin' just take the board out back, hose it down in lighter fluid and burn it then

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Juski:

naw I was only pondering

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evilDagmar:

jams: SVN?

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jams:

yep

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RandomDude15:

oh yeah

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RandomDude15:

sometimes when I start up

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Juski:

RandomDude15: so have you any error messages in the log?

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RandomDude15:

livetv

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RandomDude15:

the audio sounds cracky

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RandomDude15:

then I close it and start it up again

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RandomDude15:

and its not

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RandomDude15:

checking

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Juski:

RandomDude15: that could just be an ivtv driver issue

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evilDagmar:

Crap DMA controller

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Juski:

or that ^^

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evilDagmar:

Audio transfers that go through DMA get bu'fu'd by flaky DMA controllers

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Juski:

would those kind of issues show in the kernel log too?

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RandomDude15:

Ok, I'm trying.

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RandomDude15:

it with livetv profile

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evilDagmar:

On the two boards I had with crap DMA controllers, I never got any messages in the kernel.

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RandomDude15:

brb

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evilDagmar:

I just got the most HIDEOUS noise out of my emu10k1 card when I would enable any EAX stuff because of the way it uses temp buffers

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evilDagmar:

...but I'd see fun things like _uneven_ throughput to disk and so forth

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evilDagmar:

I was asking about the log because it came to my attention the other day that if you leave out chipset support for your IDE controller, you get those cool "can't find the ringbuffer" error messages all over the log

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Juski:

well, as interesting as all this is (no offence folks) I have to sleep. before 2am is a victory these days

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Juski:

g'night all

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evilDagmar:

...and if DMA support on that board is malfunctioning enough to anger the controller drivers...

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evilDagmar:

Imma go keel me some kobolds

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RandomDude15:

UGH

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RandomDude15:

im back

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RandomDude15:

discovery kids wont record.....

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RandomDude15:

its pisisng me off.

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RandomDude15:

*pissing

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RandomDude15:

the file never shows up

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RandomDude15:

><

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antiPosix:

my mythtv stores all my recordings in /mnt/store. If I mount an external USB disk full of mpeg4 video files on /mnt/store/ext will I be able to play them back somehow?

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Aid`:

wow after 2–3 hours of messing trying to get my DVB-S card to work i am not anywhere closer

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antiPosix:

what is the average size of a Default 30 Min show for most of you?

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RandomDude15:

4GB

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Aid`:

can someone help me? I googled and tried thisx over and over and over and i still can't get it to work properly

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evilDagmar:

A bit over a gb

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Aid`:

antiPosix: 500mb

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Agrajag-:

antiPosix: usin mythvideo you'll be able to play those videos

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Agrajag-:

antiPosix: 1.5gig (ish)

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antiPosix:

Aid`: sounds like you are enocoding to mpeg4

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antiPosix:

how can I check to see if the audio stream in the nuv file is mp3

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antiPosix:

1.5 for 30min seems overwhelming

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antiPosix:

1.5GB for 30min that is

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xris:

depends on the bitrate. 1.5G for 30 mins is fine at super-high bitrate/quantisation

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Agrajag-:

antiPosix: this is dvb-t, so it's what i get broadcasted (mpeg2)

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Aid`:

xris: did you ever isntall your SkyStar2? I am in complete misery trying to install this.

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xris:

installed, but I don't have anything to plug it into

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xris:

it never worked properly with the dishnet lnb

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Aid`:

well i can't get it to work ;FATAL: failed to open '/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0': 2 No such file or directory;

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xris:

anyway, time for me to head home.

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enterusername:

hi all

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enterusername:

how do i set my pvr to read in from the line in

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enterusername:

with mythtv

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enterusername:

i cant find the menu option

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plb:

Is there a way (automated) to figure out which channels are which. I have time warner cable but my card is not hooked up to the cable box so I don't get the same channels

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antiPosix:

if the sound device is /dev/dsp then you are all set

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enterusername:

umm my sound debvice is alsa:Default

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enterusername:

it was working previously

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enterusername:

but its not workign

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enterusername:

and i think it may be due to a setting in mythtv

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enterusername:

i haev it set up to go to rca cables

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enterusername:

anyone?

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enterusername:

is there a special option for hooking it up with rca cables

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Kelerion:

anyone know of any current problems in svn where duplicate checking has stopped working?

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enterusername:

BHi

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enterusername:

can someone please help me

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enterusername:

im going crazy :(

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enterusername:

tee hee

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enterusername:

hello

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enterusername:

can someone tell mei f there is a specials etup for rca input cables?

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Aid`:

Composite?

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enterusername:

Aid; I'm using Svideo

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enterusername:

and i have RCA INPUt from my digital box

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enterusername:

goign into my pvr

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enterusername:

and i can not get sound out of my mythtv

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enterusername:

is there a special setting for that in mythtv?

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enterusername:

its for sound not for video

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enterusername:

video is svideo

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enterusername:

and i cant remember if there was an option. it was working previously

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enterusername:

damn damn damn :(

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enterusername:

man this really sucks

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enterusername:

its alsa:default

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enterusername:

right?

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enterusername:

damn ;(

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sigger_2_:

I think I get a little lag between video and audio with mplayer. anyone have same?

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antiPosix:

if I create a dir under /mnt/store (say. /mnt/store/mpeg4) will it be accessale from my Media Library

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plb:

gotta weird problem...if I goto a channel in mythtv say channel 61 I get nothing but if I tune into via ivtv-tune -c 61 it works

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plb:

some channels work some don't

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briand:

hi, all...

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sigger_2_:

antiPosix: if eg your videos are stored in /mnt/store, then yes

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plb:

anyone know what the cause of my problem could be?

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briand:

planetary misalignment.

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plb:

heh

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plb:

I don't get why some channels would work and some wouldn't yet the ones that won't work in myth will play fine if I use ivtv-tune

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plb:

nobody knows why?

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antiPosix:

sigger_2_: : what about if its in /mnt/store/mpeg4?

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sigger_2_:

eh, i don't get it. where's myth think your video files are?

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sigger_2_:

you are talking about for mythvideo, right?

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sigger_2_:

well, short version: mythvideo will descend into subdirs to find video files

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Anduin:

plb: Using DataDirect?

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Anduin:

plb: Do you get static? The wrong channel? Kicked back to the menu?

[03:09:02]

plb:

black static

[03:09:03]

plb:

ya

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plb:

datadirect

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Anduin:

black static?

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plb:

well static heh

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plb:

but the program is listed

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plb:

what is on the channel but no picture

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Anduin:

plb: Check your channel table, then frequency selection

[03:10:17]

Anduin:

plb: This is only on some channels? Are they mostly local?

[03:10:20]

plb:

ok lemme take a look

[03:10:24]

plb:

ya

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Anduin:

plb: Yeah, if they are local channels you should probably check you channel table.

[03:11:06]

plb:

where is this located

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Anduin:

plb: In the DB

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plb:

eh um I'm kinda a newb at this whole mythtv thing heh

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plb:

how do i look in the db

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Anduin:

plb: mysql -u mythtv -p -e "select channum, freqid from channel" mythconverg (put the results on a paste site)

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plb:

ok

[03:14:13]

plb:

http://pastebin.com/772968

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plb:

there ya go

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Anduin:

plb: That looks fine.

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plb:

hm weird

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Anduin:

plb: I'd check your frequency table.

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plb:

61 for instance does not work in myth yet if i go ivtv-tune -c 61 and play it in mplayer it works fine

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Anduin:

(mythtv-setup)

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plb:

ok lemme look

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plb:

where is this ?

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plb:

capture card, channel editor?

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plb:

I'm too tired to dig around lol

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plb:

nm

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plb:

i see it

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plb:

alright lemme see if this worked

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plb:

nope

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plb:

hrm

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plb:

got it

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plb:

thanks Anduin

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robbins876:

Alright, I've got good clean video on about 8 channels, then I have static for the rest, which is much more than I had earlier

[04:03:16]

robbins876:

what's the problem? Where are the other channels?

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robbins876:

Also, I have no sound... how do i go about fixing that?

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Anduin:

robbins876: What did you do to get where you are?

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robbins876:

i have no clue

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robbins876:

i got off work

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robbins876:

came home

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robbins876:

tried some command in terminal

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robbins876:

saw that it was working in mplayer

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robbins876:

so i tried myth and it works here too

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robbins876:

but i'm only getting like 13 channels, i think it's because i did that auto-scan thing before rather than just importing the channel listings

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robbins876:

so i just deleted that one and i'm trying a new one to see if i have any luck unlocking the other channels

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robbins876:

running mythfilldatabase right now

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robbins876:

hopefully it works when i get back in there

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robbins876:

also, the cable that plugged into the wall was a little loose so i jammed it on there... that may have had something to do with it

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Anduin:

robbins876: coax cable connectors that are jamable almost certainly suck

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robbins876:

yay! i've got all the channels now in good quality, but still no sound. where should i start on trying to fix this?

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robbins876:

yeah, it's definately a crappy cable, but i don't have any screw on ones

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Anduin:

robbins876: You should paste the ivtv section of your dmesg like people have been asking for (one common reason, now that you have a good signal, would be no audio firmware).

[04:12:40]

robbins876:

hmm...

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robbins876:

i'm just afraid to paste things in IRC because it usually leads to immediate flames

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robbins876:

but, how do i do it?

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Anduin:

robbins876: You would only paste the link here, you'd actually paste the content to some paste site (one in the topic)

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cesman:

http://pastebin.ca

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cesman:

then post the link...

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robbins876:

i've never even heard of that!

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cesman:

it is in the topic of the channel...

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robbins876:

i'm not a real good reader

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robbins876:

how do i get it to post the ivtv info?

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robbins876:

i don't remember the command

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Anduin:

robbins876: dmesg

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robbins876:

dmesg ivtv?

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antiPosix:

dmesg|grep ivtv perhaps

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robbins876:

http://pastebin.ca/143725

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poonj:

hey guys

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poonj:

i have a DVD Decoder card

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poonj:

is that sufficient for TV out for myth?

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poonj:

or do I need video out through an nvidia card to make things easiest?

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Anduin:

robbins876: Now with every line between the START INIT IVTV and END INIT IVTV

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robbins876:

...

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robbins876:

what?

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robbins876:

hello?

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Anduin:

robbins876: basically don't cheat and use grep

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robbins876:

i don't get it

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robbins876:

i just pasted from my terminal, is that not right?

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Anduin:

robbins876: you ran dmesg | grep ivtv though right?

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robbins876:

correct

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Anduin:

robbins876: just dun dmesg, then manually extract the bit between the IVTV delimiters

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robbins876:

so dmesg | ivtv

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robbins876:

?

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Anduin:

robbins876: No, just dmesg, then scroll to find the section, copy it

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robbins876:

oh, ok

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robbins876:

i appologize, this is all new to me

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robbins876:

http://pastebin.ca/143734

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Anduin:

robbins876: cx25840 2–0044: unable to open firmware v4l-cx25840.fw

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robbins876:

alright

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Anduin:

robbins876: fix that

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robbins876:

what does that mean?

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robbins876:

how?

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Anduin:

robbins876: By having the audio chip firmware in the right place

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robbins876:

so i need to copy some file to /lib/firmware ?

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Anduin:

robbins876: Yup, ivtvdriver.org or wherever you originally got the firmware should have it

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robbins876:

so it would be in the tar i downloaded?

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robbins876:

would it be named v4l-cx25840.fw

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robbins876:

?

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Anduin:

robbins876: Yeah, just like in the error message...

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robbins876:

alright, i'm not seeing it

[04:27:54]

robbins876:

should i re download the tar?

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Anduin:

robbins876: It wouldn't hurt.

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poonj:

hey guys, I've been out of the mythtv loop for about 9 months

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robbins876:

alright, after i find the file where should i put it?

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poonj:

the last version I used was 0.18

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Anduin:

robbins876: same place as the others

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poonj:

in 0.19, did they improve the DVD rip function?

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Anduin:

poonj: Not really.

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poonj:

so it still only rips invidivual chapters

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poonj:

rather than the whole dvd itself

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Anduin:

poonj: You can rip the entire .iso.

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poonj:

thats true

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poonj:

but its tough to compress

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** simcop2387 hugs mythtv **

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robbins876:

i'm seriously not finding this damn file

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poonj:

I think mythtv is awesome...just need to find a way to scrape some computer parts to make it happen

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robbins876:

any way i should be looking for it?

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Anduin:

robbins876: http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Firmware

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robbins876:

i'm there

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robbins876:

guess i need to manually extract theme

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robbins876:

them

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Anduin:

robbins876: Yup, like the page says, someone has a tar.gz file somewhere that has it but those steps should work.

[04:38:14]

robbins876:

i can't find a site that is up that has that file

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robbins876:

anyone here have amity24073.prerelease.zip?

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sigger_:

ok, bug in mythvideo, Video Manager, Edit Video Information...

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robbins876:

any other ideas on how to get the file, anduin?

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sigger_:

If you edit category by using left arrow, it doesn't save the change. if you edit cat by using right arrow it does

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Anduin:

sigger_: There are no bugs in MythVideo.

[04:39:52]

sigger_:

of course, not

[04:40:03]

sigger_:

er, of course not. tho funnier how I typed it

[04:40:34]

sigger_:

Anduin: is mythvideo your baby?

[04:40:51]

Anduin:

sigger_: I have no baby.

[04:41:04]

sigger_:

you sleep well then

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robbins876:

oh, do i need to do the make makefile thing in order to get the file out?

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sigger_:

any interest in attempting to confirm this "feature" (since it isn't a bug)

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Anduin:

sigger_: None whatsoever.

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kormoc:

sigger_, file a bug report?

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sigger_:

where do I do so?

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Anduin:

sigger_: I can't reproduce it in SVN

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kormoc:

sigger_, svn.mythtv.org

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Anduin:

sigger_: Don't file a bug, I'll just tag it "works for me"

[04:44:06]

sigger_:

Anduin: ok.

[04:44:58]

Anduin:

sigger_: Is there some step you are not sharing? (There are category bugs in 0.19)

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sigger_:

ah, well I'm using 0.19.

[04:45:35]

sigger_:

I'll just update sometime soon. thanks

[04:45:44]

robbins876:

anduin> this file should have a file in it named HcwMakoC.ROM, but i can't find it

[04:45:57]

robbins876:

i guess i'm supposed to rename that file to v4l-cx25840.fw

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Anduin:

robbins876: http://dl.ivtvdriver.org/ivtv/firmware/firmware.tar.gz (it was on the firmware page, just too obvious)

[04:47:11]

robbins876:

man, i have those files!

[04:47:28]

robbins876:

but i was looking for v4l-cx25840.fw

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Anduin:

robbins876: So you already have v4l-cx25840.fw, stop looking and start copying.

[04:47:44]

robbins876:

that has v4l-cx2341x

[04:47:56]

Anduin:

robbins876: It has both/all.

[04:47:59]

robbins876:

oh, damnit

[04:48:00]

robbins876:

i see it

[04:48:04]

robbins876:

i'm a retard

[04:48:12]

Anduin:

No argument here.

[04:48:12]

robbins876:

where do i copy it to? Just lib/modules ?

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Anduin:

robbins876: No, /lib/firmware probably (where you copied the others)

[04:48:58]

robbins876:

do you have pay pal? because you deserve payment

[04:49:21]

Anduin:

No.

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sigger_:

haha, I was joking to someone earlier today that there oughta be a channel called #RTFM that is an "unofficial linux support channel" and the answer to every question is RTFM.

[04:50:33]

sigger_:

I believe the chan actually sorta exists!

[04:51:00]

sigger_:

(not directed at you robbins876)

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robbins876:

from the terminal, how do i move the file from where i extracted it to /lib/firmware?

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robbins876:

is it cp or mv?

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Anduin:

robbins876: just cp it

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robbins876:

alright

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robbins876:

now i need to reload myth, right?

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Anduin:

robbins876: then reload the ivtv module

[04:52:14]

robbins876:

hmm... that's a tricky one

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Anduin:

robbins876: rmmod ivtv; modprobe ivtv

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robbins876:

no go

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robbins876:

oh wait

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robbins876:

su -

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robbins876:

k, done

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robbins876:

now load up myth?

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Anduin:

robbins876: Sure (there was really no reason to stop it, unless you were watching live TV or recording)

[04:54:12]

robbins876:

i was watching live tv

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Anduin:

robbins876: May as well dmesg and ensure the error is gone

[04:55:08]

robbins876:

still no sound in this mother bitch

[04:55:33]

Anduin:

robbins876: dmesg, make sure it is actually fixed.

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robbins876:

http://pastebin.ca/143773

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Anduin:

robbins876: It didn't find the file

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robbins876:

huh?!

[04:58:01]

robbins876:

what the hell did i do wrong?

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Anduin:

robbins876: check that /lib/firmware was right, that the file is there, etc.

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robbins876:

yeah, it's here

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robbins876:

i did cp v41-cx25840.fw /lib/firmware

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robbins876:

is that right?

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Anduin:

robbins876: yes, the other files are there as well?

[04:59:32]

robbins876:

yep

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robbins876:

i needed to copy all of the files over?

[04:59:51]

robbins876:

cause the other ones are already in there

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Anduin:

robbins876: If they are already there then things are fine, make sure what you put on the paste site was the actual latest load.

[05:01:49]

robbins876:

there was actually two things

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robbins876:

i'll post them both this time

[05:03:10]

robbins876:

http://pastebin.ca/143782

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Anduin:

robbins876: Yeah, the second one is it working.

[05:03:54]

robbins876:

huh?

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robbins876:

they both come up when i dmesg

[05:04:13]

robbins876:

there's the first one, then a bunch of stuff, then the other one is at the bottom

[05:05:17]

robbins876:

i don't get it, it looks like it's loaded properly

[05:05:23]

robbins876:

but i think my sound is messed up on my computer

[05:06:09]

robbins876:

any ideas?

[05:06:14]

robbins876:

i'm going to reboot and see what happens

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Anduin:

robbins876: cat test, play the file on another, known working, computer.

[05:06:33]

robbins876:

i made a .asound thing earlier because wilson's guide said to, but i don't think i completely understood it

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robbins876:

i just deleted it

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robbins876:

so i'm going to reboot and see if it fixes it

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robbins876:

brb

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robbins876:

well, i definately have sound, just not in myth

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Anduin:

robbins876: mplayer test it

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robbins876:

my mplayer is being a douche, it won't even open

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Anduin:

xine it

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Anduin:

or cat it and copy it over to you windows machine

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robbins876:

i have no windows machine

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Anduin:

or mac, whatever

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robbins876:

you mean cat /dev/video0 > /tmp/test_capture.mpg

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robbins876:

correct?

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robbins876:

then open it in xine?

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Anduin:

robbins876: Yes

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robbins876:

don't know if it's a good thing or not, but i've got sound

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robbins876:

in xine

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Anduin:

robbins876: That is a great thing, it just means you've misconfigured myth somehow.

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robbins876:

hmm...

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robbins876:

think i found the problem

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robbins876:

the KDE sound server

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robbins876:

i disabled it

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robbins876:

going to reboot again

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robbins876:

lets hope for goodness!

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robbins876:

working

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robbins876:

fully

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robbins876:

sound, video

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Anduin:

See, that wasn't so bad.

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robbins876:

there's just so much to look over to get things to work

[05:20:30]

robbins876:

so many little things... this was a great learning experience though

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Anduin:

Only took a day of your life that you'll never get back... unless you use timestretch.

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robbins876:

now just have to get my remote working

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robbins876:

shouldn't take longer than 6–8 weeks to figure that one out

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robbins876:

i'm going to run to wla-mart and buy madden 07, will you be here in about 30?

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Anduin:

Probably not reading the channel

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Anduin:

luckily there are 100+ others

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robbins876:

alright, well if not tonight tomorrow maybe

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robbins876:

thanks so much for the help man

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robbins876:

you're awesome

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b8:

Is it necessary to re-start the frontend every time you run `mythfilldatabse` ?

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b8:

seems like it is, becuase if I dont none of my shows will record, the scheduler will say they dont match the listings

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tank-man:

no

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JohnQ:

b8: the scheduler runs on thee backend. the frontend is completely independant.

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b8:

JohnQ: im totally at loss here, mythfilldatabase runs without error, and when I try to record a show via the program guide, the scheduler says something to the effect of "will not record, showing does not math the program listings"

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b8:

match*

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b8:

the exact mesage I am getting is:

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b8:

"This program will not be reccorded because it doesnt match the current program listings"

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b8:

which makes no sense, because I selected the program from the guide, which is getting its info from the datase

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b8:

arrrr

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jasperbg:

What would be causing v. high (~70%) Xorg CPU usage when watching Live TV?

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jasperbg:

I'm using a Plextor external MPEG4 encoder

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jasperbg:

I think this high CPU usage is causing occasional 'choppy' video

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feld:

hey guys would u happen to know what this means?

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feld:

ivtv0: i2c addr 0x21 not found for command 0xc0445624!

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feld:

wait i might need a cold boot

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feld:

uhm and also has anyone gotten lirc to work with 2.6.17?

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feld:

it's not creating any devices; i can't connect and test

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Anduin:

feld: the i2c address is googlable, you are missing some module, and lirc CVS works fine with 2.6.17

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feld:

Anduin: missing a module?

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feld:

my google told me that i needed a cold boot of the machine, which I havent really done since i started this upgrade process

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feld:

but i'll see what I can find out there too

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Anduin:

feld: saa7115 is 0x21

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jasperbg:

guys any ideas what would cause unusually high CPU usage in the Xorg process while watching live TV?

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jasperbg:

using go7007 (plextor) external MPEG4 encoder

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jasperbg:

on an Athlon64 3700+ w/ 768MB RAM, SATA-II HDD with XFS filesystem, mythTV compiled from source on Ubuntu Dapper Drake

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maniacxs:

jasperbg: do you have modelines in xorg.conf?

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jasperbg:

all i have is a line setting the res. to 1280x768

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jasperbg:

the native res. of my LCD TV

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jasperbg:

i have since found that changing from Bob to Kernel deinterlacing reduces X's CPU usage to 9%

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maniacxs:

jasperbg: i noticed once high cpu usage without modelines.

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jasperbg:

don't think it can be related since changing the deinterlace setting fixed it

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jasperbg:

still like to know what it is about "Bob" that uses so much CPU?

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Kelerion:

morning all

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Juski:

morning Kelerion

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Merlin83b:

Morning

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Kelerion:

popped into a Bang and Ollufson shop for a laugh this morning... told them I'd already setup my visual stuff.. but needed a distributed, zoned, sound system

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Juski:

morning Merlin83b

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Kelerion:

couldn't do it.. lol

[09:49:19]

Juski:

yeah it's all or nothing with B&O

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Kelerion:

yup

[09:50:25]

Kelerion:

best I could do with it would be to run something into an Aux port on their "link" box.. but then it'd be the same in every room

[09:50:43]

Kelerion:

they want me to use the sdcard in this box to store all my music on.. lol

[09:55:05]

Kelerion:

but I still want one of these zoned sound systems.. but not sure how to go about it

[09:55:06]

Juski:

how much use? and how much? :-P

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hashbang:

sounds like a job for, say, a bunch of Soekris USB-enabled boxes and some USB speaker kits

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hashbang:

mount the central music filestore, play files.

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Kelerion:

1500 per room.. and not much use unless I want to pick and choose from my mp3 collection to fit on a 1gb sd card

[09:56:05]

Kelerion:

but they look lovely.. lol

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hashbang:

I think Philips have some gadgets

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Kelerion:

I remember reading about these Soekris boards ages ago

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hashbang:

http://www.comet.co.uk/comet/html/cache/284_331813.html

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hashbang:

http://www.comet.co.uk/comet/html/cache/284_330965.html

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Kelerion:

oooh..that looks nice

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Merlin83b:

Squeezeboxes would do what you want, I guess.

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hashbang:

I think you need one of the 599.99 devices as a base, then lots of 199.99 boxes

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Kelerion:

but.. it can't get the music from a seperate server

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hashbang:

Kelerion: www.ethereal.com :-)

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hashbang:

I guess the base station is probably only doing CIFS or HTTP or something

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Merlin83b:

Squeezeboxes would do what you want, Kelerion.

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hashbang:

Philips Streamium Wireless PC Link

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hashbang:

needs a Windows PC, though

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fatmatt:

oooh, those streamboxes look nice.

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Juski:

just had another brainstorm. if we were to make a wizard to configure mythmusic there'd be a major snag.. the music locations can be local to each frontend rather than global like mythvideo. mythgallery might be too I've never checked. so... would anyone mind losing the ability to have local music collections on the frontend I wonder?

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fatmatt:

Juski: I'm still running 0.18 so shoot me if I've got this wrong but...

[10:19:12]

Juski:

they're not localised?

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Juski:

if not, great :)

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fatmatt:

they are, but weirdly,

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fatmatt:

there doesn't seem to be a database flag for which frontend each track belongs to. If I use mythmusic on a diferent frontend, it screws the datbase for everyone

[10:20:24]

Juski:

just I can't imagine many people would use local music on a frontend

[10:20:53]

Juski:

right so it's a 'bug' & the music location should be made global. sorted ;)

[10:21:08]

fatmatt:

and also mythmusic doesn't stream the music, it just gets it from where ever the files are mounted, you'd need to set up a shared music directory

[10:21:30]

Juski:

... which I think people already do for mythvideo, so why not for mythmusic?

[10:22:12]

Juski:

I know mythmusic doesn't stream anything btw ;)

[10:22:45]

Juski:

need to look at mythgallery & mythgame in more detail too

[10:26:26]

Juski:

but that's for sometime further down the road

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fatmatt:

yeah, think they are the same. It's easy enough to do I guess, but something automated that exported the directory locations, mind you then you're starting to involve other programs, dependencies that may or may not help

[10:27:47]

fatmatt:

should mythmusic rely on samba/nfs etc...?

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Juski:

I don't think it's too much to ask to rely on the user to share dirs themselves

[10:29:26]

Juski:

this isn't in the same league as sql mangling & trying to find one of the 160+ setup screens

[10:29:32]

fatmatt:

lol

[10:30:48]

Juski:

I kid you not btw.

[10:30:56]

fatmatt:

nahh, it's pretty simple, I only run those plugins on the one frontend, that may change...

[10:31:53]

fatmatt:

btw, is it just me, or is there extra lag when your using a remote frontend to scroll through recordings, etc..

[10:32:15]

Juski:

not really

[10:32:38]

fatmatt:

almos instantaneous on the frontend that runs on the same machine as my backend, but there's a noticeable annoying delay when I use the frontend on my laptop

[10:32:55]

fatmatt:

I'd guess maybe 0.5–1 sec

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Hoxzer:

I was at bar last evening and this guy came to me "Do you do something else in your life than play computer games and wank?" :D and I was like "I play sometimes with my linux system" and then he just left quickly

[10:33:29]

Juski:

fatmatt: ouch – maybe you need to share the recordings directory over nfs

[10:33:45]

Juski:

Hoxzer: you should put that on your myspace.com page man

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Hoxzer:

:D

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fatmatt:

Juski: how would that help? I thought the recordings were streamed?

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fatmatt:

I don't have the recordings directory mounted on the frontend, it "just works" though slowly as I said

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stuarta:

morning all

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Juski:

fatmatt: it's sometimes much better. try it

[10:36:08]

Juski:

morning stuarta

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Kelerion:

back.. fatmatt the delay is probably is loading the preview when you scroll.. so you need to speed that up.. and something nfs can help :)

[10:36:44]

Kelerion:

sometimes

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Juski:

I need to find out why the icons dont appear on my frontend. I thnk I might have to copy them over from the backend

[10:38:12]

fatmatt:

so I'd need to mount the recordings directory on the frontend?

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Kelerion:

thats what I do

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fatmatt:

there's a setting in the database somewhere for a recording directory for each frontend?

[10:39:11]

Juski:

no

[10:39:15]

Juski:

it's global

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Kelerion:

I've always found it to be quicker than when it streams.. just my opinion though

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fatmatt:

soo.... mount it to the same location?

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Kelerion:

yup

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Juski:

like you do with mythvideo

[10:39:57]

Kelerion:

if you back records to /mythtv/recordings/ mimic it on the frontend

[10:40:13]

Juski:

like you should be forced to with mythmusic too :)

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Kelerion:

your backend.. damn my typing is screwed lately.. lol

[10:40:35]

fatmatt:

so, let me get this straight, it looks for the recordings directory, if it can;t find the recordings in it that the database says are there, then it streams from the backend?

[10:40:45]

Juski:

aye

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Kelerion:

yup.. thats it

[10:40:56]

Juski:

fancy not knowing that eh. pffffft

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Juski:

;)

[10:41:02]

** Kelerion chuckles **

[10:41:09]

fatmatt:

righto, thats cool, if only I'd known!

[10:41:47]

fatmatt:

actually. friend of mine was complaining about the same thing with his epia frontend.

[10:42:07]

fatmatt:

didn't bother me as much though so I never bothered to hunt the issue down

[10:42:29]

Juski:

put it in the wiki.. said the wikiman

[10:43:15]

fatmatt:

go wiki, go wiki

[10:43:26]

fatmatt:

actually, I can't belive I just said that

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Juski:

lol

[10:44:01]

Juski:

rtfw

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stuarta:

we have a comedian :)

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** Kelerion laughs **

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Kelerion:

rtfw? I wonder if that'll become as popular as rtfm. .lol

[10:47:32]

Juski:

I hope so

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** stuarta sings Happy Birthday to me.... **

[10:50:39]

Juski:

happy birthday stuarta! what are you doing in here on your birthday?

[10:50:53]

stuarta:

ignoring work.

[10:51:20]

stuarta:

it's almost pub o'clock

[10:51:24]

Juski:

heheh

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[10:52:30]

Juski:

I'm going to a currybeer next friday. not drank since LRL

[10:53:18]

stuarta:

mmmmmm....

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stuarta:

out to dinner tonight. no idea where tho.

[10:56:45]

Juski:

time to chango-workstation

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Merlin83b:

Happy birthday stuarta!

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gbee:

Happy Birthday stuarta

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stuarta:

thanks :)

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gbee:

fatmatt: re the lag, that's been sorted in 0.20 (possibly even 0.19)

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gbee:

well assuming it's the same problem ... it's as fast on my remote frontends as it is on a combined fe/be

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Kelerion:

woohoo.. my new drives just arrived

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Kelerion:

320gb for 58 quid.. nice deal

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stuarta:

indeed.

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gbee:

very nice deal

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Kelerion:

and 20 quid for an enclosure to put it in as I've run outta interfaces.. lol

[11:41:20]

stuarta:

where from?

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Kelerion:

one sec..will get a link

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Kelerion:

http://www.cclonline.com/product-info.asp?pro . . . egory_id=112

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gbee:

hmm, haven't used ccl for a long time – had actually forgotten about them

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Kelerion:

I use them all the time.. their just down the road

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gbee:

heh, a good hours drive from here

[11:52:19]

gbee:

got a place closer but they aren't always the cheapest

[11:52:46]

gbee:

seems CCL is not the only ones doing a deal on that drive, Ebuyer are too

[11:53:08]

Kelerion:

a friend of mine lives about 2 mins from them and works near me.. so I usually just get him to pick something up and drop it of here for me

[11:54:42]

Kelerion:

yup.. exactly same amount on ebuyer as my invoice here

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** gbee shows restraint and doesn't order one **

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gbee:

a new laser printer is next on my list, maybe after that ...

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Kelerion:

*dammit*.. this isn't the same drive I got the other day... they give him a sata drive instead.. and it don't fit in the enclosure.. lol

[12:10:21]

adante:

whats the bootable mythtv called? knoppmyth?

[12:10:28]

adante:

& was there another one

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gbee:

iirc this is another one, but can't remember what it's called

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gbee:

would like to find out what small all-in-one distribs there are, looking for a smaller/better one than knoppmyth for a lightweight fe

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Esotericisms:

I have a general question, is mythweb really slow for everyone in general?

[12:53:32]

Kelerion:

nope.. not usually.. depends on how many recordings you have

[12:53:34]

dev:

not svn

[12:53:38]

Kelerion:

and how many channels

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dev:

0.19 was for me

[12:54:10]

Kelerion:

yeah.. they've done a lot of work on it lately

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dev:

yeah svn is 10x better

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dev:

if it stays up more than a week it will be 20x :D

[12:54:51]

Esotericisms:

well I was thinking of creating a new one, based on a php framework. cause I am really tired of the slowness

[12:55:02]

dev:

what version?

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Esotericisms:

latest release

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dev:

yeah thats the proble, when .20 comes out, upgrade

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dev:

or check it out from http://svn.mythtv.org/trac

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dev:

its *alot* better heh

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Esotericisms:

cause I already started on a new version of it and average load time for recorded programs less then a second and tv listings is under 5 seconds ... where as mythweb right now for me is around 30 for recorded and 30+ for listings

[12:56:49]

Esotericisms:

hrm I will have to checkit out and see if it is any better

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dev:

you dont really need to make a new version, the current svn version is excellent

[12:57:03]

dev:

its fast, advanced search is different and better

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dev:

searching is and displaying programs in it is completely different even

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opello:

looks like zap2it only gives 12 days of guide data instead of 14?

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Esotericisms:

hrm, I will have to take a look at it

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Esotericisms:

I still get 14

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dev:

opello: i noticed that too :(

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dev:

ive only been getting 12

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opello:

dev: yeah :/ i saw a failed yesterday ... dunno when it started

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Esotericisms:

hrm let me checked

[12:58:08]

opello:

'glad' it's not just me ... but 14 days was a nice 2 weeks

[12:58:44]

Esotericisms:

dev, are you a dev on mythweb?

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dev:

no

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Esotericisms:

ah ok

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dev:

but i use it alot heh

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Esotericisms:

yeah I hear you

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dev:

my masterbackend was crashing every 2–7days randomly

[12:59:42]

dev:

even if you have slavebackends, you lose the master and your shit goes titsup

[12:59:50]

dev:

so i had nothing to lose by going to svn

[12:59:51]

Esotericisms:

why?

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dev:

couldnt figure out why, id just get random crashes, or mythbackend would stop responding but still be running. someone i forget who said it might be this race condition thats in 0.19-fixes or something

[13:00:46]

dev:

and that 'it was fixed in svn'

[13:00:52]

dev:

we shall see! :D

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dev:

but its alot faster, im glad i upgraded

[13:01:09]

dev:

i have 1 master 2 slaves and 3 frontends

[13:01:25]

Esotericisms:

wish I had the money for all that

[13:01:55]

Kelerion:

it's amazing how a myth setup expands over time.. you just keep adding on when you can

[13:02:14]

dev:

ive been useing myth for 2 years now i think heh

[13:02:27]

dev:

started off with this little mini-itx 1 tuner thing hehe

[13:02:37]

dev:

now the whole house

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Kelerion:

about 3 here I think.. with a old framegrabber card I had laying around

[13:02:55]

dev:

i use 4 pvr250's

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dev:

2 in each slavebackend

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antiPosix:

I'm trying to get the MythVideo plugin to work. I have an avi(divx) file in /mnt/store/usb. "Watch Videos" says "No Files Found". How do I get myth to see my avi file?

[13:03:19]

Kelerion:

thats one of the beauties of myth though.. it *can* expand easily

[13:03:26]

dev:

yeah, its real easy

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dev:

basically plug and play

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Esotericisms:

well I am going to check out the svn version of mythweb and if it is still crappy (which I don't think it is very well written to begin with) I am just going to continue with my new version, because I have over 150 shows recorded and on the current version of mythweb it takes over 30 seconds to load the page and on my version less then 1 second

[13:04:00]

dev:

Esotericisms: the svn version is much better. it probably requires svn version of mythtv though..

[13:04:03]

Kelerion:

antiPosix: done a video reload?

[13:04:13]

antiPosix:

not sure how to do a video reload

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Esotericisms:

I will take a look

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dev:

id say the upgrade is worth it

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Kelerion:

setup/video manager

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dev:

right now svn is is almost 0.20-rc1 or something

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antiPosix:

"Video Manager" doesnt do anything

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dev:

video manager? whats that

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dev:

i just use it for tv hehe

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antiPosix:

I have the menu option now, but when I try to to into it it just stays on the initial screan

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Kelerion:

video manager rescans your videos

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antiPosix:

so its not supposed to go to another page?

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Kelerion:

yes it is

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antiPosix:

maybe I need to restart the backend

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Kelerion:

run myth from a console and try it.. it'll tell you what the problem is

[13:09:22]

antiPosix:

I am running it from the console

[13:09:22]

Kelerion:

mythvideo is a frontend app

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antiPosix:

and it didnt output anything unusual

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dev:

hrm, doesnt do anything on mine either

[13:09:56]

dev:

but i dont use mythvideo so i never noticed hehe

[13:10:11]

Kelerion:

well.. it's supposed to.. lol

[13:10:15]

antiPosix:

dev: it doesnt take you to a Video Manager page?

[13:10:15]

Kelerion:

it does on mine

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Kelerion:

it rescans your collection and shows you them all in a list

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dev:

no, it doesnt

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antiPosix:

at first I thought I was waiting for somethig to happen

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dev:

(take me to a video manager page that is)

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antiPosix:

then after 4 minutes I gave up

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Kelerion:

well.. it's supposed to.. lol

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dev:

you sat there for 4 minutes waiting?

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dev:

...damn...

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dev:

=P

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antiPosix:

well the menu option looks nice!

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Kelerion:

make sure you have the video dir set somewhere sensible

[13:11:37]

dev:

i probably dont even have mine set

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antiPosix:

I dont think mine is set either

[13:11:52]

Kelerion:

setup/setup/media/videos/general

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antiPosix:

which begs the question

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antiPosix:

oh, theres the answer

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dev:

i think i can tell the svn commflag code is better too

[13:13:06]

JohnQ:

I love mythtv.. but something needs to be done about hose endless preference pages.

[13:13:21]

Kelerion:

it is being done.. they're simplifying it

[13:13:27]

dev:

its one of the goals for google soc

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dev:

at least thats what i read hehe

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dev:

too bad there's no trace of progress in svn tho, same menus :D

[13:14:07]

JohnQ:

Good... I hope they dont remove any of the options... just make it manageable...

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Kelerion:

it wasn't scheduled for .20

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GreyFoxx:

dev: All of the SoC stuff have their own branches

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dev:

ahh cool

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flindet_:

GreyFoxx: Is there a 2.6.17 compatible version of your niveus pc remote driver?

[13:19:18]

GreyFoxx:

Nope

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flindet_:

Bummer.

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gbee:

dev: iirc commflagging hasn't actually changed, there is new code in their but it's not enabled yet

[13:19:30]

GreyFoxx:

Or I should say

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GreyFoxx:

I haven't tried the current code on 2.6.17 so I don't know if it barfs or not

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flindet_:

If later tonight I paste an error for you to look at, would you be interested? Or that'll just annoy you?

[13:20:10]

gbee:

but then again 0.20 has been a long time in development so I'm likely to forget most of the changes ;)

[13:20:45]

GreyFoxx:

flindet_: I'll look :)

[13:21:31]

flindet_:

GreyFoxx: Cool. Thanks. I'm about to leave for work here soon, but I'll try to catch you tonight.

[13:22:07]

alexotan:

GreyFoxx, Hi

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alexotan:

GreyFoxx, I'm trying to use a webcam with mythtv, but mythtv-setup complains (probed info: failed t open). Any idea?

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flindet_:

GreyFoxx: Can you give me the link to where you have ati_remote.c posted? I wanted to confirm I have the latest version of your code, but I'm having trouble finding it on google.

[13:24:12]

gbee:

looking at the changelist the changes to commflagging affect it's behaviour when used in realtime, but no changes to detection (which might be what you meant)

[13:25:31]

GreyFoxx:

alexotan: not particularly, I assume it's just a v4l device ?

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GreyFoxx:

flindet_: www.phaze.org/mythtv/ati_remote.c

[13:25:55]

flindet_:

GreyFoxx: Great! Thanks!

[13:26:39]

GreyFoxx:

I was planning a kernel update soon, so It'll likely be getting looked at as well :)

[13:26:50]

flindet_:

Oh, thank goodness! ;-)

[13:26:55]

flindet_:

It actually doesn't look too hard

[13:27:08]

flindet_:

there's some usb name parameter it doesn't like anymore. I stubbed that out and it got farther

[13:27:28]

flindet_:

but then it looks like it's using a deprecated method or soemthing because I get a message to use a different method

[13:27:40]

flindet_:

anyway, I'll give you some output tonight and see if it means something more to you

[13:27:45]

flindet_:

I haven't googled it much yet

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alexotan:

GreyFoxx, yes... I had tested with a v4l 2 device and it had worked fine... is it the problem?

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GreyFoxx:

alexotan: I don't know what the problem is. You will have to be a little more detail on what error you are getting

[13:30:11]

GreyFoxx:

Though honestly I don't know of anyone using a webcam as a reecording source

[13:30:17]

GreyFoxx:

or are you referring to mythphone ?

[13:31:42]

alexotan:

GreyFoxx, so... I've used a webcam to do some tests on mythtv because I still have some trouble with my tuner...

[13:31:59]

alexotan:

GreyFoxx, I recently changed my cam to a Quickcam model...

[13:32:15]

dev:

are you recording your own tv? heh

[13:32:32]

dev:

like literally hehe

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alexotan:

GreyFoxx, I compiled the driver and it works fine on xawtv or kdetv (v4linux),

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alexotan:

GreyFoxx, but I can't use the cam on mythtv :(

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alexotan:

GreyFoxx, It appears on "mythtv-setup" window:

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GreyFoxx:

What exactly happens when you try ?

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alexotan:

GreyFoxx, card type: Analog V4L capture card

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alexotan:

GreyFoxx, probed info: failed t open

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GreyFoxx:

And no other app has it open? (xawtv or kdetv are not running?)

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GreyFoxx:

AND the user running mythtv-setup has permissions to open the device ?

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alexotan:

GreyFoxx, Yes... and I tested with a Logitech webcam... it works fine...

[13:36:19]

alexotan:

But It doesn't work with a Quickcam model...

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alexotan:

Indeed, this model doesn't have kernel mod... I have to insert mod manually

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gbee:

not staggers?

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stuarta:

s/wanders/crawls/...????

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stuarta:

only 4 pints....

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fysa:

Is it possible to use DPMS (xset) to force off a display in a dual-head setup and NOT have that display awaken with a keypress on the other display?

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stuarta:

1 out of 2??? no

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fysa:

I can force off a single display easily enough. If I could disable any form of automated DPMS completely, I think that may work.

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GreyFoxx:

AND the user running mythtv-setup has permissions to open the device ?

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GreyFoxx:

oops

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stuarta:

if you can control a single display (thru 'xset') then you should be able to work something out

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stuarta:

!trout GreyFoxx wrong window

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** MythLogBot slaps GreyFoxx with a wrong window trout on behalf of stuarta... **

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GreyFoxx:

Actually no, right window, but it was something from my buffer from an hour ago heh

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GreyFoxx:

stupid up arrow :)

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fysa:

xset lets you -display :0.1, but when one display is sleeping and the other isn't, a keypress on either display wakes the sleeping display up.

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** stuarta missed the last 2hrs due to being in the pub for my birthday drinks **

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GreyFoxx:

happy bday!

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stuarta:

thanks :)

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fysa:

I'd rather have to manually force on a display, so I'm thinking I may have to hack something up.

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** stuarta suspect that won't be easy.... **

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fysa:

whatever is polling keyboard/mouse is calling xset or the like

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fysa:

I'm sure someone on google has had that problem accidentally. ;)

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antiPosix:

so once I load an external app to play a video is there anyway to still control it via a remote or gamepad

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antiPosix:

I wonder if mplayer has gamepad support

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qu0zl:

xine has lirc support

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qu0zl:

mplayer may too, i don't know

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GreyFoxx:

Apps like xine or mplayer can be compile/configured to use lirc for the remote

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GreyFoxx:

not idea about the gamepad support

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GreyFoxx:

You could just use the internal player ;)

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GreyFoxx:

same OSD, same controls, etc :)

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qu0zl:

thats only in svn though right?

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gbee:

no, it exists in 0.19 but it's improved in svn

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GreyFoxx:

quoz: nope.

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GreyFoxx:

Just set the player to "Internal"

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GreyFoxx:

I've been using it pretty much exclusivly since last summer

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GreyFoxx:

and like gbee mentions is much improved in svn with much better dvd support

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qu0zl:

cool thanks guys

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gbee:

in about two weeks 0.20 (current svn) will be released anyway

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qu0zl:

i still havent got round to setting up xine lirc bindings, due to how seldom i watch dvds

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qu0zl:

yeah, i think i'll wait for 0.20-fixes

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qu0zl:

the girlfriend was not impressed with my sudden change to .19 :)

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** GreyFoxx does his daily svn up **

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** GreyFoxx needs to retest that x-men2 dvd **

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stuarta:

wtf? the entire description for Austin Power, International Man of Mystery. is in the title!!!

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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gbee:

eit I'm guessing?

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stuarta:

yup

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gbee:

fine in xmltv ;)

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stuarta:

:-P

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gbee:

btw that's your big job for 0.21, allowing a mixture of xmltv and eit data on the same channel (e.g. updating starttimes without overwriting descriptions etc)

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gbee:

:p

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stuarta:

relating to eit, yes....

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stuarta:

i now seem to have another big one relating to scanning.

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gbee:

nah, scanning works for me .. that can wait ;)

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Juski_:

hrm. just thought of another snafu with this autoconfig stuff. external channel changing & number prefixes for STB channels. damn

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Juski_:

Kelerion: are there many $ky channels which don't have xmltv data?

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Juski_:

I imagine a few of the FTA channels are missing as well as some of the more, shall we say esoteric ones

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stuarta:

question should be, are there any $ky channels that are FTA that aren't shopping channels and are worth watching.

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Juski_:

I've seen one or two people complain the radio times grabber doesn't have the whole lineup. must be pretty damn near full I suppose, but I dunno for definite

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stuarta:

only extreme sports comes to mind

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Juski_:

I thought I'd seen an xmltvid for that

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stuarta:

there is AFAIK

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Juski_:

extreme.com:582:Extreme Sports

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Juski_:

maybe it's some of the adult ones that are missing then.. lol

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stuarta:

this doesn't look good -> http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/satellite/freesatepg/

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slaine_:

Hey Guys

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slaine_:

After my question about CPU performance on a CLE266 1.2GHz yesterday, I got some good suggestions

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slaine_:

After some testing, it looks to me like the Via XvMC stuff isn't working correctly

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slaine_:

The logs show that it's using the xvmc-vld stuff, but the performance isn't any better than standard xvmc

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slaine_:

Tonight I'll just compare against non-xvmc playback

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slaine_:

I'm guessing that either XvMC isn't working (guess I can compare by using mplayer) or MythTV isn't compiled up properly

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Juski_:

stuarta: heh

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stuarta:

slaine_: more likely via XvmMC & standard XvMC are similar in performance

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slaine_:

I can't imagine that 50% cpu usage is normal for playback

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slaine_:

on a CLE266

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ivor_:

stuarta: not even close actually.

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** stuarta stops guessing **

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ivor_:

:)

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stuarta:

one of these days I might even be able to use XvMC

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ivor_:

the via xvmc works at the slice level, so the cpu doesn't need to do much to the stream really apart from pass the slices to the decoder. with normal xvmc there's a fair amount of overhead chopping the stream up to pass the macroblocks to the decoder.

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gbee:

when the business of a colour osd is all sorted I'll probably use XvMC, there would be no reason not to

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stuarta:

don't have any hardware that currently has XvMC support :(

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gbee:

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stuarta:

one day i'll have a separate frontend....

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gbee:

hmm, just experimenting and XvMC is currently giving me 50% cpu versus ~15–20% without

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stuarta:

time to head out to meet the GF for dinner

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Aid`:

i got a quick question

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gbee:

must be a config issue somewhere

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Aid`:

If i were to do a cvs from an anonymous server what is the pw usually?

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ivor_:

enter

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GreyFoxx:

blank/enter

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stuarta:

not that we use cvs

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Aid`:

yeah, well i need some drivers

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hatredx:

aid you buy that wireless?

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Aid`:

hatredx: my dad and I are looking around for cheaper costing cable... we need about 300 feet of cat5

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Aid`:

but it appears we're on our way to be buying it:)...im so going to miss 3k/sec.

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hatredx:

lol

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hatredx:

doubt it

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antiPosix:

this may be a long shot, but my Tivo gives me the year a broadcast came out. For instance I like Stargate. When browsing my "Now PLaying List" I can choose to watch Stargates from 2006. And after they are gone, I watch the reruns from the late 90's. Can I set up mythtv to show my the year? Or does Zap2it not offer that info in the XML

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antiPosix:

Aid`: I saw 1000' spool of cat5 for $64 on froogle today

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gbee:

all off-cuts from a new installation, enough to wire the important rooms of two homes :)

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Toba:

if all I want to do is record shows, is mythtv overkill?

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GreyFoxx:

Toba: no

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hatredx:

yea, bestbuy has 50 foot rj54-cat5e for 50+ dollars

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hatredx:

how lame indeed

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Toba:

how does mythtv lay out the filenames of the recordings?

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GreyFoxx:

If you were just looking for a video player it might be, but if you want recording then that's what mythtv is really about

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gbee:

antiPosix: you can use that info in myth, but whether Zap2it carry it I cannot say

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Toba:

'cause I won't be watching through mythtv

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GreyFoxx:

Toba: named by channel, and the time

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Toba:

hm

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slaine_:

ivor_, any guesstimates on what kind of cpu usage I should be seeing for a CLE266 based unit for live tv ?

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hatredx:

spool + ends + crimpping tool = 120 tops

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slaine_:

I was expecting about 20% max

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Toba:

so it's just numbers

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Toba:

no show names etc

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GreyFoxx:

Toba: it is unless you run one of the various scripts to rename them (or symlink them) with show names

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GreyFoxx:

there are a couple of those

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Toba:

ah, cool

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GreyFoxx:

if you plan to play outside of myth you will want to go with a pvr card and not a cheap old tuner

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ivor_:

slaine_: I'm at about 30% on an 900Mhz EPIA

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Toba:

so is it a feasable plan to put mythv on my desktop machine and have it put the files on a network share?

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GreyFoxx:

the pvr cards output mpeg2

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ivor_:

slaine_: but that's a debug build too.

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gbee:

you'll need a frontend to schedule recordings, either mythfrontend or mythweb will do

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Toba:

hmm, I think I may have a PVR card somewhere

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** Toba goes to get his boxes of hardware **

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GreyFoxx:

Toba: As long as that share is mounted myth can write to it

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slaine_:

ivor_, Thanks for that, I'm definitely way off then

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Toba:

ok, cool.

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slaine_:

I guess I'll try out the latest openchrome driver on my Ubuntu install and see if that helps

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ivor_:

it all varies on your res, setup, cpu speed, bitrate of transmission and whether you are frontend only or combined front/back of course.

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slaine_:

true

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slaine_:

I've what I consider a pretty standard setup, EPIA MII 1.2GHz, 512MB RAM (64MB allocated to Video), 720x576 for X and all recordings done at that size too

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slaine_:

Hauppauge WinTV PVR-500 doing the encoding

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Toba:

GreyFoxx: any particular reason a normal tv card won't cut it?

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dev:

he just likes abnormal ones

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GreyFoxx:

Toba: It will work, but myth encodes those to mp4 or rtjpeg in a nuv container than most software can't read

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GreyFoxx:

PVR/dvb/ATSC cards are straight mpeg2 and written to .mpg files

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GreyFoxx:

Since you said it would be played outside of myth Iassumed you would want the more "other software friendly" option, hence the PVR card recommendation :)

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dev:

you and your abnormals ;)

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dev:

is it time to go home yet?!@!

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Toba:

so

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Toba:

what is wrong with mp4

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Toba:

most things can play that

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antiPosix:

who said anything was wrong with it

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antiPosix:

I have a great Philips DVP-640 MPEG4 player

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antiPosix:

I also have a Initial Portable DIVX player for that matter

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antiPosix:

come to think of it, I have a JSI MPEG4 player too.. wow, I'm really supporting those boys at DIVX.com

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Toba:

oh, in that case I'll just use the tuner

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Toba:

unless someone else has a pvr in this apartment

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Toba:

brb

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GreyFoxx:

Toba: The codec is fine, but most players don't understand the ./nuv container

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[Elvis|2]:

hej guys, I have a question..when you take a digital cable subscription you normally get a kinda smartcard in the digital box you get..

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[Elvis|2]:

when you use a digital pci card...what do you do with the smartcard? is it software base emulated or?

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Aid`:

xris, you there?

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robbins876:

in the portion of the remote thing where you run /usr/bin/irw to test the remote, i don't think mine is working

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kormoc:

Aid`, no, he's not

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robbins876:

when i type that command it just brings up a new command line

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kormoc:

Aid`, and you can just look at the channel user's list and see that

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robbins876:

and when i push buttons on the remote nothing happens

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Aid`:

i can't get this DVB-S card to work and he seems like the only one that has it

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Aid`:

If anyone has some extra time on their hands and can help me figure out whats wrong let me know

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robbins876:

anyone have any help?

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Aid`:

to me it doesn't appear to be working

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Aid`:

does it say Connection refused?

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[Elvis|2]:

hej guys, can anyone advice me on any good high definition capture devices

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[Elvis|2]:

?

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rever:

Hi is there a way to get my MCE Remote to start mythfrontend when I press the Green windows key?

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fysa:

anyone have mytharchive working?

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gbee:

rever: yes there is, sure someone else can talk you through it because I can't remember the specifics

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GreyFoxx:

I've got it installed and looked at the video choosing menu, but haven't actually used it to convert any video yet

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gbee:

didn't work for me when I tried it a week ago

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fysa:

GreyFoxx: Do you have a hardware-encoding capture card? I haven't messed with setting the recording stream type to anything other than MPEG2 PS on my PVR-500, but I did notice a "DVD" setting. Would this let me drag-and-drop without transcoding into a VIDEO_TS folder or some such?

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Aid`:

after you configure your kernel, should you compile it?

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gbee:

still doesn't work

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gbee:

gives me a theme error, no matter which theme I try

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fysa:

I'll give mytharchive a shot today.

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GreyFoxx:

fysa: Yes, 3 250's, and advb card in a slave backend that it's functional right now. Only old tuner I have is in a dev box and never gets used for anything but tests :)

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GreyFoxx:

fysa: I don't think the driver actually honours that flag so it likely makes no difference

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Toba|BSD:

I'm in the channels section in mythtv-setup

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Toba|BSD:

and it does NOT tab to 'scan for channels'

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Toba|BSD:

why not?

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[Elvis|2]:

greyfoxx do you know if there are any good HD pci cards?

[17:18:36]

[Elvis|2]:

or e-pci

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Toba|BSD:

also

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Toba|BSD:

No setting found for this machine's BackendServerIP.

[17:19:10]

Toba|BSD:

Please run setup on this machine and modify the first page

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Toba|BSD:

um...

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gbee:

have you gone through the general setup pages first?

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Toba|BSD:

yeah... but it gives me no info on what this 'host address backend setup' is actually connecting to

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Toba|BSD:

a backend server of some kind I assume, but it's filled out with the default settings

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Toba|BSD:

and I have no idea why that wouldn't work

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Ryushin:

I'm trying to figure out the best way to transcode HD. Is RT/JPEG or MPEG4 the best transcoder to use?

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fysa:

If you're slick, you could get into the database to add custom transcoding profiles for 1080i/720p sources.

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Toba|BSD:

argh

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Toba|BSD:

I went through the setup

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Toba|BSD:

and it still errors out on me

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Toba|BSD:

what config file is that actually editing?

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fysa:

Ryushin: http://www.myhdbox.com/mythtips/2006/05/tip-4 . . . for-hdtv.php

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fysa:

Toba: Make sure the IPs in ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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fysa:

and /usr/local/share/mythtv/mysql.txt are correct

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** Toba|BSD looks **

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fysa:

mythtv-setup works with the database mentioned in that file

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Toba|BSD:

No setting found for this machine's BackendServerIP.

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Toba|BSD:

Please run setup on this machine and modify the first page

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Toba|BSD:

shit, wrong button

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Toba|BSD:

~/.mythtv/mysql.txt is not there

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fysa:

then it will look for the second one

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Toba|BSD:

that isn't there either

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Toba|BSD:

what format does it need to be in

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fysa:

are you using the SVN?

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Toba|BSD:

no, ubuntu package

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Toba|BSD:

but I did find mysql.txt, in /etc/mythtv

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fysa:

ah

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Toba|BSD:

I'll copy that, in case it's not looking there

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fysa:

if it's the ubuntu package, it probably is.

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Ryushin:

fysa: Thanks for the link. I'll go through that.

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robbins876:

in the portion of the remote thing where you run /usr/bin/irw to test the remote, i don't think mine is working

[17:54:11]

robbins876:

when i type that command it just brings up a new command line

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robbins876:

and when i push buttons on the remote nothing happens

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robbins876:

and now it says connection refused

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robbins876:

anyone have any help?

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Toba|BSD:

arghhhhh

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Anduin:

robbins876: start lircd

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Toba|BSD:

lircd = what

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robbins876:

my savior has arrived

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robbins876:

but i'm still getting nothing as far as input goes from the remote

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Anduin:

robbins876: You have the 150 with the normal, plugs into the PVR card, isn't a transmitter version?

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robbins876:

correct

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Anduin:

robbins876: you loaded lirc_i2c?

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robbins876:

hmmm... not sure

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robbins876:

how do i find out?

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Anduin:

robbins876: lsmod

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robbins876:

as root?

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Anduin:

robbins876: yes

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robbins876:

lirc_i2c 8196 0

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robbins876:

it's on that list

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Toba|BSD:

anduin, do you know why the mythtv-setup program would not be writing the config file?

[18:00:14]

Toba|BSD:

I set the backend server options (ips, ports etc) in the general settings

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robbins876:

i had that problem yesterday

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Anduin:

robbins876: check dmesg, make sure when you loaded it that it found the chip

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Toba|BSD:

but when I try to run mythbackend --daemon it says I didn't do the settings

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Toba|BSD:

robbins, how'd you fix it?

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Anduin:

Toba|BSD: The mysql.txt config file?

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robbins876:

anduin had me delete it and re-do it

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robbins876:

then it worked fine

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Toba|BSD:

it says it established the mysql connection

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Toba|BSD:

hold on, switching users

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Toba|BSD:

k, trying to run it again

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robbins876:

in my dmesg i'm looking for lirc_i2c right?

[18:02:19]

robbins876:

because it's not in here

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Toba|BSD:

http://pastebin.com/773377

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Anduin:

robbins876: Yeah, it would look like this: lirc_i2c: chip found @ 0x18 (Hauppauge IR)

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Toba|BSD:

I think this means it's finding the mysql settings but not the settings for the ip that the backend is supposed to listen on

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Toba|BSD:

anyone know?

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Anduin:

Toba|BSD: I'd check your settings table, it the hostname didn't match that would explain it.

[18:04:32]

robbins876:

http://pastebin.ca/144804

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robbins876:

i don't think it's loaded, i don't see it anywhere there

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robbins876:

i'll post my modprobe.conf

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robbins876:

i think the problem might be there

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Anduin:

robbins876: which lirc?

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robbins876:

uhh...not sure, pulled it off of yum as directed by wilsons

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robbins876:

here's my modprobe.conf

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robbins876:

http://pastebin.ca/144811

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Anduin:

robbins876: Yeah, it isn't a modprove thing, the lirc_i2c module isn't finding your PVR card, this usually means that you have the weird 150 or that your lirc version isn't new enough, you can check it if is the lirc version by settings the newi2c param to 0 for the ivtv module.

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robbins876:

where do i do that?

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Anduin:

robbins876: modprobe.conf: options ivtv newi2c=0 then rmmod ivtv lirc_i2c; modprobe ivtv lirc_i2c

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robbins876:

ERROR: Module ivtv does not exist in /proc/modules

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Anduin:

robbins876: That was assuming ivtv was loaded, that error indicates it was not.

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Anduin:

(ivtv not actually being loaded would be another good reason lirc_i2c doesn't work)

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robbins876:

how do i ensure that IVTV is running? it appears like it is

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Anduin:

robbins876: lsmod | grep ivtv

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robbins876:

it's in this list

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Anduin:

robbins876: rmmod ivtv again

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robbins876:

that same command again? i ahve a couple times

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robbins876:

same problem, just tried again

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robbins876:

actually

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robbins876:

no it's not

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robbins876:

ERROR: Module lirc_i2c does not exist in /proc/modules

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Anduin:

robbins876: yeah that is fine

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Ryushin:

robbins876: I had to use the cvs version of lirc to get everything to work correctly.

[18:19:37]

robbins876:

i saw taht on some website, but i wasn't sure how to use cvs

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Anduin:

robbins876: the newi2c will work around it for now

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robbins876:

bash: cvs: command not found

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robbins876:

alright, so where do i get the newi2c?

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Anduin:

robbins876: No, it is what I had you add to morprobe.conf above...

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Anduin:

It is a module option to ivtv

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robbins876:

alright

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robbins876:

here's my modprobe.conf again

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robbins876:

not sure if i put everything in the right place

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robbins876:

http://pastebin.ca/144841

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Anduin:

robbins876: remove the .

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robbins876:

k

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robbins876:

anything else?

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Anduin:

robbins876: then lsmod and make sure ivtv and lirc_i2c are not loaded

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Anduin:

robbins876: then, given your modprobe.conf, you'll just need to modprobe lirc_i2c

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robbins876:

ivtv isn't running, lirc_dev is

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Anduin:

robbins876: lirc_i2c?

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robbins876:

nope

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robbins876:

i just modprobe lirc_i2c

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robbins876:

no errors

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Anduin:

robbins876: dmesg and paste site again

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robbins876:

entire thing or just ivtv?

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Anduin:

robbins876: last ivtv and down

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robbins876:

http://pastebin.ca/144852

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Anduin:

robbins876: now the real end (what I need will be below the ivtv section)

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robbins876:

there's 2 ivtv sections

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Anduin:

robbins876: Yes, we only care about the end of that display

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robbins876:

ivtv0: Removed Hauppauge WinTV PVR-150, card #0

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robbins876:

ivtv: Unknown parameter `lirc_i2c'

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Anduin:

robbins876: paste your modprobe.conf again...

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robbins876:

http://pastebin.ca/144858

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Anduin:

robbins876: ok, yeah, you were just going to modprobe lirc_i2c as it will automatically load ivtv.

[18:36:48]

robbins876:

so modprobe lirc_i2c again?

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robbins876:

done, no errors

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Anduin:

robbins876: dmesg and pastesite the last 50 lines or so

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mlehrer:

w00t!! i got s/pdif to finally work on my nforce4 board.

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mlehrer:

if anyone asks, the trick was to use the device ALSA:iec958

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robbins876:

http://pastebin.ca/144864

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Anduin:

robbins876: lsmod | grep lirc_i2c and lets take this to pm

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Ryushin:

Is there a way to specify which channels should use which mythtranscode setting?

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Juski:

Ryushin: no – and there won't be in 0.20 either. but you can choose which recordings use which transcoder settings ;)

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Ryushin:

Yea, I'll just have to memorize which is 1080i, and 720p.

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Juski:

(in 0.20 or svn head I mean)

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Ryushin:

Maybe I should rename them in the channel guide.

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Ryushin:

Add a 1080i/720p into the channel name.

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Juski:

wouldn't the transcoder automagically detect & just resize the video according to the settings you have anyway?

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Juski:

ah it's not just about the frame size I suppose

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scales:

hello gentlemen

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Juski:

hello scales. there may be ladies here too, remember

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scales:

question for any fedora users out there with myth, i was following a tutorial, and it said to change the rpms and when i did this, it screwed up all of my yum stuff

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scales:

perhaps juski

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scales:

there was one i remember

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scales:

so juski, help on this? i was following this tutorial http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Installi . . . _Fedora_Core

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scales:

down the page he says to configure package repos

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Juski:

no idea about FC sorry

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scales:

i tried it and now i cannot yum

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scales:

humm

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scales:

anyone else here?

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robbins87:

i'm here

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scales:

can you help?

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robbins87:

so you added all of those repos and now you can't yum?

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scales:

yeah

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scales:

i do like yum update

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scales:

and it gives me errors

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robbins87:

alrgiht

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scales:

he mentioned

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scales:

that the url might have changed

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robbins87:

go to /etc/yum.repos.d/ and remove the ones you just put there

[18:59:43]

scales:

i used what he said in place of $releaseserver

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robbins87:

then open your term and run yum clean all

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scales:

humm

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scales:

ok that seems to have worked at least some

[19:05:09]

scales:

i took out, fedora-updates-testing, freshrpms.repo.1, freshrpms.repo, atrpms.repo.1

[19:05:12]

scales:

too much?

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robbins87:

uhh... i wouldn't have removed the fedora-updates-testing

[19:05:56]

robbins87:

but the repo.1's for sure can goe

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robbins87:

go

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scales:

k

[19:06:05]

robbins87:

and freshrpms.repo

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scales:

k

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scales:

thank you

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robbins87:

no problem

[19:08:08]

scales:

should i try and get that fedora testing one ?

[19:08:24]

scales:

if i dont need it for myth than i wont bother

[19:08:29]

sigger:

Is it just me or is the Position in Stream indicator smack in the middle of the MPlayer screen annoying? Makes it difficult to see if your at the right spot.

[19:08:33]

scales:

all this machine is going to do is run myth

[19:08:38]

robbins87:

no, you won't need it for myth

[19:08:42]

scales:

k

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scales:

sigger: use xine

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sigger:

I have been. I was surprised to find that I get MUCH better performance with MPlayer

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scales:

really?

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scales:

that is interesting

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sigger:

so stuff that wasn't playing well on my 600MHz EPIA is great on MPlayer

[19:11:28]

scales:

mplayer initially screwed up the audio and video syncing with me

[19:11:35]

scales:

then i switched to xine

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scales:

worked great

[19:11:44]

scales:

then i think i did a re-install

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scales:

and xine would get off the audio on certain dvds

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scales:

i dunno how to quite fix that

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scales:

perhaps i will not have it this time around

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sigger:

I thought I saw a little sync issue with MPlayer, but then when I focused on it I didn't really see one.

[19:13:43]

sigger:

But I have seen settings in mplayer's (lengthy) man page regarding fixing sync

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Juski:

sigger: if you use via xvmc, you'd need xine --xxvmc IIRC (or was it --xvmc? bah I can never remember anymore. one or the other)

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gbee:

you both using 0.19?

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sigger:

yep, I've been using -Vxxmc (thanks to you Juski)

[19:14:57]

sigger:

and, yes, using 0.19

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gbee:

wondering how the internal player compared to xine/mplayer performance wise for you

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gbee:

aside from the obvious limitation that it lacks menus for 0.19

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sigger:

there might be a little sync issue, but mplayer is making files that were otherwise unwatchable as a practical matter watchable. hoping I can resolve any sync issue there might be

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gbee:

and has been improved performance and reliability wise for 0.20

[19:16:48]

sigger:

I recall trying Internal recently.... just don't recall why I changed from it.

[19:17:03]

Juski:

it's gonna be fantastic in oh twenty :)

[19:17:12]

sigger:

it = Internal?

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gbee:

0.20 is going to be very good for UK DVB users

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armand:

0.20 is good for anybody too! its so much faster than 0.19

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sigger:

and apparently has fixes relating to mythvideo categories

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gbee:

what with dvb radio, mheg, scanning, eit etc all having been sorted

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scales:

when does it come out

[19:19:08]

armand:

real soon i bet

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gbee:

about two weeks

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scales:

oh

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Juski:

oh crap. my themes might not make it then

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scales:

and easy update from previous versions?

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scales:

or no

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armand:

better hurry it up

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Juski:

scales: as always :)

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scales:

k

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armand:

when i upgraded from 0.19 to what will be 0.20 a few weeks ago, it was flawless

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gbee:

depending on no major problems being found and Isaac having the time to do the packing of the source etc

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armand:

to my surprise

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: laga had mentioned that you were working on an onscreen screensize configuration program or something ?

[19:38:04]

Juski:

GreyFoxx: working on? nah it's only an idea right now. I've got my hands full of themes at the mo'

[19:38:18]

GreyFoxx:

ahhh, ok. I've been thinking of something similar

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Juski:

did he mention how the plan would be to have movable icons you shove around like in XBMC?

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GreyFoxx:

perrsonally I'd love to have such a onscreen setup to auto configure the gui sizes, and something to onscreen configure the joypad controls as well

[19:39:18]

GreyFoxx:

he did, and that's exactly what was I thinking as well

[19:39:25]

GreyFoxx:

though I've never seen the xbmc ones

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ojg:

I'm wondering if anyone can help. I'm trying to compile mythtv from svn with dvb but I keep getting DiSEqCDev undefined reference errors. Does anybody have any idea where I'm going wrong?

[19:39:45]

GreyFoxx:

I figure 4 icons to move around to show where you want the edges to be

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Juski:

you just move triangles to the corners (topleft & bottomright)

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Juski:

you could do it with only two

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GreyFoxx:

yep, makes sense

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Juski:

being able to position the OSD would be good too

[19:40:42]

Juski:

and a nice message onscreen telling the user which buttons do what ;-)

[19:40:53]

GreyFoxx:

heh yeah,

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sigger:

anyone know if the Video Manager for mythvideo is smart enough to automatically grab cover art that has the same name as the video file? eg. when it finds myvideo.avi it would grab myvideo.jpg

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Juski:

sigger: I dunno. try it

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sigger:

will when I get home.

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Juski:

don't think it does that yet though

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GreyFoxx:

I was looking over past conversations in here and see a lot of time where we tell a user to lookup the value of a setting in mysql directly, maybe the frontend.backend should have a commandline -G --get-setting argument to read the setting from the table and spit to the console

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GreyFoxx:

We have -O to override one, so maybe w3e should have the ability to check the current value as well :)

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Juski:

GreyFoxx: why not – it'd not be too hard to implement I guess

[19:42:33]

GreyFoxx:

Everything to avoid the user having to go into mysql directly

[19:43:12]

Juski:

goodness – are we all getting together to make mythtv more noob friendly or what?

[19:43:38]

GreyFoxx:

Well, I've had the screen alignment thing in the back of my mind for a while. The current "set it and check it" way kinda sucks

[19:43:47]

Juski:

me & laga with our plans for world dominat.. I mean auto-confabulation, wizardry ^ stuff..

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GreyFoxx:

and I see no reason not to make things easier :)

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Juski:

GreyFoxx: it TOTALLY sucks, never mind kinda ;)

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Juski:

if you have more than 10% overscan god help you ;)

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GreyFoxx:

From a help the users perspective I'd add the following: Onscreen alignment, on screen joypad configuration, on screen remote configuration, and a -G commandline setting for simple access to the settings table

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GreyFoxx:

no reason we can't have something for generating the lirc config files for people

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gbee:

ojg: which version of gcc?

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GreyFoxx:

"Press your remote play button, or hit ENTER on your keyboard to skip this button", etc etc cycling through the most common buttons

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GreyFoxx:

I should look over mythcontrols which might be the place for that

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GreyFoxx:

but I see it as more of a mythtv-setup or regular frontend setup thing

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gbee:

GreyFoxx: I'm aiming to remove the need for a lirc config file in 0.21

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robbins87:

thank god

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GreyFoxx:

even better

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robbins87:

that's what's messing me up so badly now

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robbins87:

no remote support for my pvr-150 remote

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GreyFoxx:

So just a screeen to map the buttons to the appropriate function/key ?

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gbee:

the idea is that you'll be able to bind keys directly to actions through MythControls

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GreyFoxx:

That'd be nice

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grantm:

Any way to set up mythtv to do mpeg2 -> mpeg2 transcode. It apparently defaults to mpeg2 -> mpeg4. I just want to remove commercials and keep it in mpeg2 format because of my media mvp.

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gbee:

without having to translate them to keypresses in a lircrc file file

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GreyFoxx:

grantm: There is a mpeg2 lossless option on the first screen in the transcode profiles I think

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gbee:

there is already a patch to do this in trac, it just needs a little work before it can be committed

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Juski:

gbee: you is a developerer? nice :-)

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grantm:

GreyFoxx: I was just playing with that option. I'll give it a shot tonight. Thanks.

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GreyFoxx:

grant works fairly well.

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Juski:

sounds like changes are afoot to make the config experience much more pleasant – and aside from the stuff that already goes on that will be very very welcome (duh) :)

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gbee:

Juski: yep (only official for a few days now)

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Juski:

gbee: well – I'm kinda starting work on stuff which will hopefully eventually lead to a config system where a user enters their location & tv provider to get the channels into mythtv. xmltv is great if you have time/inclination to figure it out but I reckon it'd be fairly simple to solve it. no plans for gui'ing it yet (no c++ or qt skills) but ...

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Juski:

only doing that from a uk perspective for now, but once I had that nailed ;)

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gbee:

well it will be interesting to see

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Juski:

all easy enough in theory

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geemark:

mytharchive seems to be missing "png2yuv" – where do I get this? (Debian testing)

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Juski:

imagemagick I think

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gbee:

one of my aims for 0.21 is to vastly simply xmltv, including the setup (where possible on the myth side) – the latest xmltv added some new api stuff etc will makes this all possible

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Juski:

gbee: I saw that

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Juski:

(and finally, icon grabbing!)

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gbee:

yep .. saw that finally being added to the uk grabbber :)

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Juski:

so if you're planning to do that anyway... erm.... hmmm.. trying to figure out what that'd mean for my 'plan'

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Juski:

room in the source for a few lines of lookup table? ;)

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Juski:

course I'd still have to do some scripting as the proof of concept stuff

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gbee:

hard to say just yet, you'd probably best get some opinions on mythtv-dev than rely on my say-so :)

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Juski:

heheh okay

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Juski:

hell even a script would be better than nowt as a starting point

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gbee:

yep

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Juski:

which part of mythtv now has the hd icons again? is it the programme guide or 'watch recordings' screen?

[20:08:23]

gbee:

it's been a long time since I had to set up a myth installation from scratch – might be inspirational to do that, remind me of all the setup hassles

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gbee:

watch recording screen I would guess, not aware of any icons being added to the programme guide

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Juski:

I should UTSL

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Juski:

:)

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gbee:

but then I've no HD channels

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Juski:

nor have I.. I'll have to fudge the db to test it

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gbee:

pick a recording and set all the flags :)

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gbee:

or you could just bring up the help screen

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gbee:

if you want to see the current icons etc

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Juski:

won't help me position em though

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geemark:

Juski: installation of imagemagick did not provide the png2yuv :(

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Juski:

geemark: maybe it's gonna be mjpegtools then

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gbee:

Juski: true ;)

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geemark:

Juski: thanks

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Juski:

dum dum de dum dummmm... time to a-mangle the db

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Juski:

that was easy... if only everything else was

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gbee:

what's actually possible in theme design, can you radically change the layout of pages like the watch recording screen or are you limited to subtle changes?

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Juski:

you can mess it up pretty much yeah

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Juski:

within boundaries – like in the menus you can't yet have columns of buttons in one row & scroll left to right, right to left AFAICT

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gbee:

cool, seems like all the themes I've tried so far do little more than change a few colours and move the main menu text around

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Juski:

gbee: what do you think of my themes?

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Juski:

ProjectGrayhem, fyi ;)

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gbee:

hmm, let me refresh my memory

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Juski:

actually they're soon to be replaced with 2.0

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Juski:

www.juski.co.uk/previews/

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Juski:

you're allowed to say they suck btw... I don't care :-P

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gbee:

looks good, a little dark for my tastes but it goes further that many themes in redesigning the layout

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Juski:

I just got tired of seeing so much blue in themes & in TV UIs in general

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gbee:

I'd agree with you there

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Juski:

if retro had been around before I started messing with themes I doubt I'd have even started

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gbee:

I still like MythCenter but I've been thinking of looking for something else lately

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gbee:

retro's blue?

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Juski:

I adapted mythcenter to show at LRL

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Juski:

gbee: yeah but I really dig the icons & watermarks

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awilkins:

Is there a way to control which video/audio pid Myth tunes to?

[20:50:55]

Juski:

I made the buttons in mythcenter shiny & plastic-looking – a bit improvement imho

[20:51:16]

Juski:

awilkins: no it gets the vid & audio PID from the SIT

[20:51:26]

Juski:

awilkins: what's your angle?

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Juski:

SIT .. or somewhere in the stream anyhow

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awilkins:

There are apparently channels which use an obfuscated pid.

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Juski:

a a aaaaaaaa

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Juski:

naughty naughty

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gbee:

I quite like the Nuvola background but with something like the Myxer button style (i.e. the Myxer theme in this screenshot)

[20:53:26]

gbee:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Myxer.jpg

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** awilkins whistles nonchalently. **

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gbee:

SDT

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awilkins:

Pretty theme

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gbee:

awilkins: someone hacked it into the code in the past, but the DVB code has been rewritten since then making it harder to do

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gbee:

not that it was made intentionally hard, just that we grab the PIDs in a different way to before

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Juski:

right I need to crack on with this theme for another half an hour

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gbee:

a/v pids are in the PMT, not the NIT or SDT, or even the PAT ;)

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Juski:

gbee: I know it was one of them. hard to remember at the best of times nevermind when you're neck deep in xml

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gbee:

heh, even I had to think about it and I've spent plenty of time looking at/working on the DVB code

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Juski:

anyway, redhot isn't worth having.. I've seen the 10 minute preview (by accident)

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gbee:

television X is now protected in the same way

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gbee:

of should I say unprotected

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Juski:

not for me to say whether it's hacking if they give you the info you need to grab it off the air in the stream itself

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gbee:

s/of/or/

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gbee:

frankly they have to expect it in a % of cases

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gbee:

not that I'm condoning it ... after all people say the same thing about shop lifting

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gbee:

theoretically I wouldn't choose to pay for it, so they aren't losing money if I should happen to get it for free

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** gbee waits for the knock at the door **

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Z_Morek:

odd question: what exactly are the numbers in parenthases in manuals, eg: "make(1)"

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Juski:

oh man I'm getting tired of quitting out of mythtv & having to go back in

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gbee:

the other day I must have recompiled and installed myth about 20 times whilst debugging a problem

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** awilkins was a VB6 developer for a long time and finds C++ compile/recompile/arrgh vaguely primitive, even if it's far more powerful. **

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** Z_Morek is going into freshman year of college for a major in computer science **

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** Anduin uses :!make 2>&1 | tee build.log && ./testdeploy **

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awilkins:

I too, have no idea what the numbers on manpages are.

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gbee:

I could probably do with scripting it

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Juski:

uhhhh enough xml bashing for one night I think

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gbee:

the biggest pain is myth rescaling the theme after every reinstall, might see about changing that to use a checksum rather than the mod date

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Juski:

folks have a saying at work. vb developing isn't programming :-P

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Sebulba02:

it's not..

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** gbee was being diplomatic by not saying as much **

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gbee:

:p

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Juski:

gbee: multiple themecaches ;)

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** awilkins can write a VB app for most things before a C++ coder has dusted off his preprocessor macros so there. **

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Juski:

quicker != better ;)

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Juski:

anyway I'm only kidding

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awilkins:

Depends on your requirements (quick, cheap, good, pick two)

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awilkins:

:P

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gbee:

not saying VB doesn't have it's uses

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Juski:

I can't code in anything but PERL yet.. and then only just

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Juski:

I made a function using Qt in C++ once though

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Z_Morek:

apparently the number in a manpage is its pagenumber or section or something...

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kormoc:

section

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Z_Morek:

though that means nothing to me...

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Anduin:

Juski: You should learn C++ by making a good theme editor.

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Juski:

anywaz I'm going to bed. if the theme is late for 0.20 it's late

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Juski:

Anduin: rofl

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kormoc:

man 3 item will give the programmers man page, for exmaple man 3 printf

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Juski:

and what? start a cacophony of shite themes like winamp has skins? no thanks :)

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gbee:

Juski: You have a good point there

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Z_Morek:

kormoc: now it's making sense

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Z_Morek:

because the programmers manpage lists functions etc. when man 1 printf is aimed at users

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** kormoc nods **

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Anduin:

editing themes is currently insane, I haven't looked at the new theme stuff but I don't think it will be much better.

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Juski:

it'll be worse by my estimation

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Juski:

better in some ways like splitting ui.xml up

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Juski:

anyway I need bed

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gbee:

Anduin: I wouldn't even try creating a theme

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gbee:

and not just because I'm utterly talentless at artistic things

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Aid`:

yay im getting wireless internet... no more dialup! They're going to end up relaying it off of our 100 ft tower in our backyard. They're going to get the signal from using a satellite dish...so it'll be the best that we can get!

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Anduin:

gbee: I went to go add two new filter settings to MythVideo, I decided it had to wait to tonight, when I had enough time to move a few text boxes up a few pixels.

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gbee:

eugh ... the ui is what I'm dreading most for my bookmark stuff

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** Sebulba02 about died when he looked at ui.xml **

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fysa:

should just make it HTML/JavaScript based. ;)

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Z_Morek:

what time zone is juski in?

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Anduin:

Z_Morek: 0

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awilkins:

GMT+0100

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Z_Morek:

ahhh

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Z_Morek:

that would explain why he's going to bed and it's 5:30 EST

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gbee:

heh, I should go to bed

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gbee:

Juski has a little more sense than me

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antiPosix:

Can I watch say, half of a recording and then start watching something else. come back and have it remember where I was? I'm looking for a "Resume Playing" capability

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antiPosix:

instead I seem to be starting at the begininng and having to fast foward everytime I get interupted

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Z_Morek:

antiPosix: I'm pretty sure it bookmarks

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Z_Morek:

iirc there's a setting for that to autobookmark when you exit a playback or it just does it

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Anduin:

antiPosix: hit select, you'll see it save the position, there is also an option to just do it automatically on exit

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antiPosix:

Anduin: that worked, thanks. I'll look up how to do it automatically on exit

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gbee:

Setup > TV > Playback, second screen

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gbee:

dropdown at the top "Action on playback exit"

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Ryushin:

Is there a way to make myth set the volume of a individual pvr-150 card. I have a pvr-350 and 150. I set ivtvctl first before starting the mythtv-backend, but it seems the backend resets the volume. I suppose I could create a cron job to keep setting the volume on the card. Is there a better way?

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Ryushin:

Actually, it seems that whenever the pvr-150 tuner is access, the volume gets reset. Is there any way to have myth change the volume when activating the tuner.

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Ryushin:

I guess I could write a script to monitor the mythbackend log and whenever is sees the /dev/video2 show up in the log, that it increases the volume. I consider that a serious hack though.

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Anduin:

Ryushin: No there currently isn't a way.

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b8:

OK quick question: Im trying to record shows from my program guide, and after I change it to record only this showing, and go back to the guide, it doesnt mark is as about to be recorded, and when I go to preview schedual changes I get this error :

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b8:

"This program will not be reccorded because it doesnt match the

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b8:

> current program listings"

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awilkins:

I was getting that for a while

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b8:

How can I fix the "program listings" ? Im not even exactly sure why this is happening, sometimes it can record shows and sometimes it gives me this error

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awilkins:

I updated to HEAD of SVN and it fixed itself.

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slaine_:

guys, on Dapper drake, what do I need to have installed to get XVMC support listed with a "Yes" on a configure for mythtv (cvs 0.19fixes)

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gardengnome:

re

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Ryushin:

Anduin: So I guess it's ugly cludge time. :)

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Anduin:

Ryushin: Or a few minor changes to the code. I'm mostly certainly the only reason someone hasn't done it is the UI work.

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Anduin:

Ryushin: currently volume is a codec setting and that is a one to many relationship

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Ryushin:

Yea, I guess all they would have to add it a tuner section for something like "command to run after tuner is activated" and a delay to run the command.

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Ryushin:

Yea, I know. Hince, the ugly script at this time. Luckily, I already wrote a script for something like this for a company, so I just need to make a few minor changes, and voila.

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Ryushin:

The only issue is, I've never figured out a way to make a shell script export to a background process like a daemon. I've always had to nohup it.

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GreyFoxx:

Ryushin: Myth does reset the volume, every time it starts a recording

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GreyFoxx:

it reset it to whatever you have set as the recording volume in your recordingprofile

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simon_c_home:

Ahhh. Thta was one of my other questions. !

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simon_c_home:

my first one thought was about dvb-t tuning.

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simon_c_home:

for some reason I'm missing some channels from my dvb-t card. And I've no idea why.

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Anduin:

GreyFoxx: That is what he dislikes.

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GreyFoxx:

He could just change the recording profile to the volume he prefers ?

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Anduin:

Different levels from different cards, it is a somewhat common complaint that no one is willing to write code to fix.

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh

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Anduin:

I'd have done it, but there is the UI, and if you let them override one codec param, well... just more work.

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GreyFoxx:

Maybe the driver should compensate for the different tuners

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Aid`:

hey this is not really a mythtv question but if i recompile a new linux kernel source do i just do make install, and it will be setup to go?

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mdfedderly:

so I have mythtv working on my new videocard, with sound

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xris:

Aid`: kernel doesn't work that way

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mdfedderly:

now all I need to do is figure out why my wireless isn't working

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mdfedderly:

and I should be good to go

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Aid`:

xris: it isn't hard to set it up, is it?

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xris:

no, just a few steps... but I don't know any of them anymore.

[23:06:11]

Aid`:

ok ill look it up

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Aid`:

i think i may finally have my card working :)

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Anduin:

GreyFoxx: Hard to do it in the driver, or was, when it is in the kernel it should be easier (known versions for other modules)

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Aid`:

xris: on avg how long does it take to compile a kernel

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Aid`:

is it minutes, or hours?

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Anduin:

Aid`: 6

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simon_c_home:

Aid`: depends on your machine.

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Aid`:

1400mhz

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Aid`:

it isn't hours is it?

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simon_c_home:

Aid`: probably not with that machine.

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simon_c_home:

Aid`: guessing, at 10–20 mins.

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Aid`:

thanks simon

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Anduin:

Aid`: "build the kernel" is meaningless, how many modules you have will also change the time.

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Aid`:

i had to wait about 4 hours to download this on dialup

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Aid`:

it can't take that long..

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Anduin:

At least you are accustomed to waiting.

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simon_c_home:

lol

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Aid`:

Anduin: getting 4mbps soon

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Ryushin:

Hack works like a charm.

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fysa:

for HD transcoding?

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evil|sleep:

ok, sometime in the last 2 days someone said something to me...

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evil_andy:

oh well

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evil_andy:

everything works now! except sound... and switching channels in live tv with a remote frontend...

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mirak:

hem, how to run mythtv-setup as mythtv user ?

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evil_andy:

any ideas on that? I have tried running a cable from audio out on the tv tuner to line in on the sound card, but that doesn't work...

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xris:

Aid`: so you convinced your parents to upgrade?

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