Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, August 21st, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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Juski:

from my experience yesterday there are loads of pvr windows programs that DO NOT WORK (mediaportal for one)

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fcukthisgame:

If i configure my pc with the tuner, can I stream it to my xbox and store it on my xbox?

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Juski:

simple setup – too damn simple

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Juski:

fcukthisgame: no

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Juski:

you can stream it to the xbox though

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fcukthisgame:

no storage, just streaming?

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fcukthisgame:

cool enough...

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GreyFoxx:

storage of recordings is on the backend

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fcukthisgame:

(i'm running gentoox) would I just build mythtv for my xbox with the same packages as i would for my pc

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GreyFoxx:

the frontend is playback

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fcukthisgame:

ah

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GreyFoxx:

Now that being said, you COULDhave the backend store to a network share as well ehhe

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xrothgarx:

if you have a frontend that has a tuner also will it be able to leave its recordings on the front end or do those go to the backend?

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fcukthisgame:

ahh too many ends lol

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fcukthisgame:

anyways i'm compiling mythtv/xmltv now

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fcukthisgame:

thanks for the enlightenment :-)

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xrothgarx:

what distro?

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mark_:

how do i set the tv channel that MythTV chooses when i go into "Watch TV"?

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Anduin:

mark_: mythtv-setup, or the DB

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mark_:

i chose a bad channel, and it can't tune to it. but rather than letting me choose a different channel, it just goes back to the main menu

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mark_:

which table in the db?

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Anduin:

cardinput, or the other one

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mark_:

i tried poking around but didn't find anything obvious

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Anduin:

it is obvious

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Anduin:

mark_: cardinput starchan column

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mark_:

cardinput wasn't obvious, but startchan is. thanks!

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xrothgarx:

I am having a problem removing mythtv on ubuntu (so I can reinstall from a different repository) can someone maybe give me a hand? http://pastebin.us/3476

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xrothgarx:

I am trying to install myth .19 because I found out .18 does not work with mysql <5.0 and I have 5.0 installed

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laga:

yeah

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laga:

broken meta package, i suppose.

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xrothgarx:

do you know (or anyone) know of a repository that has myth .19 for ubuntu?

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laga:

if you look in the channel faq, you'll find an alternative repository. or just install the components manually

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laga:

by manually, i mean: apt-get install mythtv-backend mythtv-frontend mythtv-database.

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xrothgarx:

I tried that

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xrothgarx:

and still got errors :(

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laga:

weird. could i please see them?

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xrothgarx:

well I tried myth-common first and everything looked fine

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xrothgarx:

when I did myth-backend it just said that .19–5 was going to be installed

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xrothgarx:

I updated the errors here http://pastebin.us/3478

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jams:

woohoo settings screen is done

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jams:

now let's hope it runs :)

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laga:

jams: what are you doing?

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laga:

xrothgarx: that's weird. maybe you should run "sudo apt-get update" and try again. did you happen to experiment with different mythtv repositories?

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xrothgarx:

this is the second one I have tried

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xrothgarx:

the first didn't work for me (but I am not sure why)

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laga:

humm. did you remove the old one?

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jams:

laga let me get some screenshots for you

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laga:

jams: wee!

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jams:

laga http://jmeyer.us/screens/

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jams:

and yes it works, just need to test the network settings bit

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mathieu_:

Hi

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laga:

jams: oh. my. god. that's just awesome! is it gonna be gpl'ed?

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jams:

sure

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jams:

it's for my own distro that I maintain for myself

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jams:

got tired of the sdl interface and decided to give qt a shot

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NamShub:

just a simple question: are the .mpg files in my mythtv dir supposed to be able to play with mplayer? (0.19)

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laga:

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jams:

NamShub- they should

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cheatersrealm:

anyone know how I can get s-video to either antenna or coax (video card outs to tv ins)

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Juski:

jams: a 'shot' at qt? nice

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NamShub:

ok thanks, so something's wrong :P

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Juski:

cheatersrealm: what you need is an RF MODULATOR my friend

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cheatersrealm:

Juski: thanks

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NamShub:

any clue why my video would be all black?

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NamShub:

ivtv works when cat'ing /dev/video0

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jams:

Juski- it's not pretty at times but it's working

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cheatersrealm:

hrm, maybe I'll get s-video to the 3 plug (composite)

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cheatersrealm:

nice, they're cheap

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cheatersrealm:

anyone got an opinion on the easiest OS to install mythtv on?

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Juski:

rrrrr. if paintshite pro crashes one more time...

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xrothgarx:

cheatersrealm: knoppmyth?

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jams:

as of right now, there are no options to change the partition size. I think adding some size sliders should be simple enough.

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cheatersrealm:

xrothgarx: that seems sensible, thanks

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xrothgarx:

mysettopbox.tv ;)

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laga:

jams: i totally love it. looks like i really need it for my mythtv-ubuntu-project :)

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jams:

hehe

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jams:

didn't you and juski already do that for the s100?

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cheatersrealm:

xrothgarx: thanks for the link

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** cheatersrealm goes off to set up the new mythtv box **

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NamShub:

could it be that myth can not change channels? (the black screen...)

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laga:

nope. :( i'm using zenslack at the moment, with its mythtv plugin (just a tarball)

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NamShub:

or that its not using /dev/video0 ?

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MrChambers:

well the correct card is displayed when I type dmsg in xterm, so what do i check now? (all my channels when trying to watch live tv are complete static except for two which are both still bad quality)

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Juski:

MrChambers: if you have a pvr500 card try the newest version of ivtv you can get away with

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MrChambers:

i have a PVR-150

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Juski:

MrChambers: same applies

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Juski:

you could also have chosen the wrong frequency table...

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Juski:

hmm I think I just need to make some new buttons for mythmusak then I'm done.. apart from mytharchive (shudder)

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jams:

cant be any worse then mythphone....

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MrChambers:

where do i check the freq. tables? i don't remember seeing an option for that in setup...

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Juski:

ooo nice. telnet interface is great!

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jams:

Juski- I have always wanted to use it to create a script to traverse an entire theme

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jams:

would make for good screenshots and regression testing

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laga:

jams: like myxer?

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laga:

ah

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laga:

never mind ;))

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jams:

hehehe

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cheatersrealm:

anyone got a good way to change regular d-sub 15 pin connector to anything that a computer can use?

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** jams wonders how dave is doing **

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Juski:

it still needs bindings for lib-mindreader for truly easy setups

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jams:

have not seen him in a while

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: I use the telnet interface when I can't find a remote and don't want to grab thekeyboard heh

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Juski:

heh

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Juski:

I need to start writing lib-mindreader.. it's gonna be released on 01/04/2007

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cesman:

lib-mindreader! lol

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cesman:

Juski: some would think that is Jan 4th, not Apr 1st

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Juski:

only the ones who live in the wrong country though

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Sebulba02:

I was wondering what was so special about jan 1

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Sebulba02:

jan 4*

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laga:

heh

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** GreyFoxx ponders a mythcomics plugin for after 0.20 **

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laga:

GreyFoxx: after 0.20? sheesh, get coding! :)

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

not enough time ;)

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laga:

heh :)

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GreyFoxx:

though a basic framework wouldn't take long

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jams:

GreyFoxx- just as long as it uses the same theme layout as say mythnews or some other plugin

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laga:

heh. just modify mythweather. :)

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GreyFoxx:

jams: I'm never seen mythnews ;)

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jams:

cp news-ui.xml comic-ui.xml

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laga:

or don't modify it at all and just write a new grabber for, uh, userfriendly :)

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GreyFoxx:

though I'm picturing something like mythvideo tree, or mythgame

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GreyFoxx:

Probably something more mythgamne like with a screenshot

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jams:

cp game-ui.xml comic-ui.xml

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GreyFoxx:

laga: I'm referring to a comic book archive reader, not a webcomic reader :)

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laga:

GreyFoxx: humm. so, do you scan them yourselves? :)

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Juski:

damn diversions

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Juski:

I might try writing a webby remote for the telnetty thingy

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Juski:

oh wait.. themeing

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GreyFoxx:

laga: I've scanned a couple. Though considering my collection is around 4500+ books it's a slow process :)

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Sebulba02:

ouch

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Juski:

heh. like me archiving my vinyl to HDD

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Juski:

only more so

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laga:

;)

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** Sebulba02 guesses he's half the age of ya'll. **

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GreyFoxx:

Sebulba02: 32 here

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Sebulba02:

okay, maybe not

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jams:

hehe

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** GreyFoxx basically stopped collecting ~3–4 years ago **

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Juski:

ooyeah http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/previews/Image5.jpg

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GreyFoxx:

but I started when I was 3. I learned to read from comic books before I went to school :)

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GreyFoxx:

Adding some new screens?

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Juski:

erm.. have you need seen mytharchive yet?

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GreyFoxx:

I've poked around in it

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GreyFoxx:

haven't converted anything yet "_

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GreyFoxx:

:)

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** jams doesn't want to make the graphics for mytharchive **

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Juski:

neither do I

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Juski:

so I won't

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Juski:

I made some intro videos & I stopped there

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jams:

5 themes to add graphics for

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Juski:

5 ?

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GreyFoxx:

Man, 4500 books, is around 12 books a month since I was born heh

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Juski:

oh yeah

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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jams:

I have 4 Syth and Midnight-wide and midnight-square

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jams:

so I guess thats 6 :)

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** laga hopes you guys are gonna get your themes into myththemes soon :) **

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** cesman as added midnight-wide to KnoppMyth **

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jams:

eh if one of the devs wants to add them they can

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Juski:

there we go.. http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/previews/Image4.jpg

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GreyFoxx:

Jams are they current with SVN head ?

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jams:

GreyFoxx- the ones listed under "SVN" are

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jams:

Midnight is close just have not posted it

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Juski:

whoah I need yet another edit to ui.xml. bah

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GreyFoxx:

jams: What's the URL ?

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jams:

jmeyer.us

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jams:

click on downloads

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GreyFoxx:

cool

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jams:

GreyFoxx- the "image gallery" has screenshots

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jams:

please pardon the non-preview gallery

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GreyFoxx:

We need a gui theme editor, so you can drag and drop elements on the screens, and edit the elements in it

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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jams:

yep that would be nice

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laga:

use myxer :))

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Juski:

no we don't

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Juski:

we can do it the old way & take endless days & hours to make a simple change :-P

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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Sebulba02:

I think we need mythtv in ascii

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jams:

Sebulba02- I was going to make an all ascii myth theme

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Juski:

1337 !

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jams:

even started on it, till I noticed it was dreadful looking :)

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Sebulba02:

hah

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laga:

humm. that'd be nifty. especially if mythtv could do video output over aalib :)

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Sebulba02:

that would be something

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jams:

GreyFoxx- they are current cept mytharchive is not themed

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Juski:

god if some guys had their way we'd still be watching John Logie Baird TV ;) ascii telly. pah

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laga:

heh

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Sebulba02:

john logie baird?

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Juski:

hrm is 'previously' recorded from the 'conflicts' section of ui.xml ?

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laga:

i loved the ascii soccer world cup

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Juski:

Sebulba02: the insane Scottish dude who invented TV

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jontydog:

hi all how do I get a channel.conf file for hotbird 13E?

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laga:

jontydog: dvb-apps.

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jontydog:

thanks laga

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laga:

you can get 'em at www.linuxtv.org or from your distro

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jontydog:

just checking adept now

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laga:

are you on ubuntu?

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jontydog:

kubuntu yes

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laga:

wait a sec.

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laga:

dvb-utils

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laga:

^^ the name of the package

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jontydog:

is already installed

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xrothgarx:

I can't believe it!!! I was actually watching tv through mythtv, I have been trying to set this up for almost a year now with 2 different cards, 4 different distros and this is the first time I have ever been able to watch tv

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jontydog:

lol

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xrothgarx:

it looked like crap but I saw the raiders game

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jontydog:

can I just type something into konsole to scan hotbird and save as channels.conf?

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laga:

yeah. kinda.

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laga:

jontydog: 'scan' is your tool of choice. it'll need initial tuning data, which it gets from a file. as far as i can see, there's only one for asta. maybe it'll still work, though. these files are "/usr/share/doc/dvb-utils/examples/". you'll need to gunzip them first.

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jontydog:

ok thanks will give it a go

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laga:

heya xris :)

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jontydog:

hmm just tried that laga and konsole says the resource is busy

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laga:

jontydog: is mythbackend running?

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Juski:

one more thing worked out. jees I missed this

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laga:

heh :)

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Juski:

and now, the weather...

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laga:

my current plans are: new, more powerful computer + mythtv 0.20 + an ubuntu iso = niftiness.

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jontydog:

yes m8 mythbackend is running

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jontydog:

should I stop it?

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laga:

jontydog: well, disable it. it's blocking your dvb device.

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laga:

yes.

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jontydog:

k

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laga:

weird. we didn't have any trolls in here tonight, did we?

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cheatersrealm:

YAR WHO DARE DISTURB MY HOUSE UNDER THE BRIDGE!

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** cheatersrealm goes back to building his mythtv boxes (it started out as box, but now it's boxes) **

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** laga shoots cheatersrealm **

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cheatersrealm:

yar! /me falls back down into river

[01:48:35]

laga:

i repeat: we did NOT have any trolls in here.

[01:49:08]

laga:

cheatersrealm: yeah, i feel with ya. and soon, you'll find your desktop box is busy flagging commercials..

[01:49:30]

cheatersrealm:

nah

[01:49:45]

cheatersrealm:

desktop gets restarted too much ( day of defeat under windows)

[01:49:51]

cheatersrealm:

so I gotta build new systems

[01:50:03]

cheatersrealm:

unless I want to run mythtv under vmware somehow

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laga:

heh

[01:50:44]

cheatersrealm:

odds are that's impossible

[01:50:54]

cheatersrealm:

so I'm falling back to a 2.4ghz celeron running backend

[01:51:01]

cheatersrealm:

and a 1000mhz running the frontend

[01:51:09]

cheatersrealm:

unless you think 1000mhz is enough to steam live tv

[01:51:32]

laga:

no, it's not. :) at least mythfrontend, mythcommflag and mythtranscode should work fine. mythbackend won't be much fun because you can't really get any pci devices into vmware.. maybe it'd work with usb devices.

[01:51:39]

laga:

well, what capture card?

[01:51:48]

cheatersrealm:

ati tv wonder

[01:51:54]

cheatersrealm:

I'm assuming that has support

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laga:

go with the celeron...

[01:52:04]

Juski:

woo that's ready for a damn good test tomorrow

[01:52:05]

cheatersrealm:

yeah, but the celeron doesn't have tv out

[01:52:18]

cheatersrealm:

unless I buy a pci card

[01:52:23]

cheatersrealm:

maybe I'll just do that

[01:52:29]

cheatersrealm:

it's the easiest thing

[01:52:39]

laga:

cheatersrealm: no :) i meant, the celeron is OK as a backend.

[01:52:47]

cheatersrealm:

can that celeron run both?

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k8e_bug:

Hello all

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laga:

yep. but your card is a dumb framegrabber card, the host cpu has to do all processing.

[01:53:51]

laga:

hi k8e_bug. are you a troll?

[01:53:56]

cheatersrealm:

laga: but 2.4 ghz could be good enough, right?

[01:53:58]

k8e_bug:

Troll?

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cheatersrealm:

for streaming video

[01:54:06]

cheatersrealm:

even with a dumb card

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laga:

cheatersrealm: yes, i'd think so.

[01:54:12]

cheatersrealm:

well than that's the easiest

[01:54:14]

cheatersrealm:

I'll do that

[01:54:15]

laga:

cheatersrealm: yep. that'll be fine.

[01:54:24]

cheatersrealm:

easier is better

[01:54:36]

laga:

cheatersrealm: even if it's not, you could always fiddle with settings until it's ok. :)

[01:54:44]

k8e_bug:

I've just got questions about capture cards

[01:54:46]

laga:

but don't worry too much now.

[01:54:51]

laga:

k8e_bug: ah, that's fine. :)

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k8e_bug:

I'm moving, and I'm going to have digital cable where I'm moving to.

[01:55:33]

cheatersrealm:

mmmm

[01:55:35]

cheatersrealm:

digital cable

[01:55:38]

cheatersrealm:

I have limited basic

[01:55:39]

cheatersrealm:

:(

[01:55:53]

k8e_bug:

I read about set top boxes and changing the channels via ir remote

[01:56:01]

Juski:

ugh, digital cable (I'm in the UK)

[01:56:04]

** laga has encrypt-the-hell-out-of-everything-even-if-it-is-available-FTA-over-analog-cable . **

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k8e_bug:

I was wondering if there were options with a card that just captures digital cable

[01:56:55]

Juski:

holy hole in a ... it's almost 3am again. fuck

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k8e_bug:

There's a hauppauge digital-nexus-ca card that looks promising, but I'm not sure about linux drivers for those types.

[01:57:36]

laga:

Juski: you need to stop complaining to people who are one hour ahead :). i planned on going to bed 5 hours ago *sigh*

[01:58:18]

laga:

k8e_bug: check the dvb wiki at www.linuxtv.org – and also make sure that you can get a CAM that'll support your cable company's encryption model.

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cheatersrealm:

it's only 10pm here

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laga:

cheatersrealm: USA, i suppose.

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k8e_bug:

Alright, Thanks for the direction

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k8e_bug:

google wasn't helping much, lots of hits for the same question, no answers

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laga:

heh :)

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Juski:

laga: do you have work in the morning?

[02:01:09]

Juski:

I don't, if I don't get to bed soon :-P

[02:01:36]

laga:

Juski: no, i'll likely get up at 1pm again ;)

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** Juski does some sums.... **

[02:03:40]

Juski:

I've put in over 48 hours of work into mythtv-related stuff lately. eek

[02:04:25]

Juski:

I told my wife my themes might get pulled into the themes package.. she asked the usual question... "when do you get paid?"

[02:04:34]

Juski:

lol

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Juski:

so I said .. "you know how you like mythtv? well... loads of people work unpaid to develop it, and we get it for 'free' .. " (funny look from her)

[02:06:08]

cheatersrealm:

hah

[02:06:59]

Juski:

oh btw laga.. I talked to someone in another channel (cough) about how myth could do with a wizardy setup thing. like select your country, postcode & it does the lookups for your channels etc

[02:07:22]

Juski:

he just said it'd be a good idea, nothing about being willing to help (same old)

[02:07:26]

laga:

that'd be awesome.

[02:08:08]

laga:

i doesn't have to be that fancy. just some menu-driven shell script backed up by a simple flat-file database on a webserver somewhere.

[02:08:10]

Juski:

i.e. we don't all have zap2it ;)

[02:08:19]

laga:

maybe something involving dialog.

[02:08:48]

Juski:

I wonder how many european mythtv users there are...

[02:09:28]

laga:

along with some basic logic to allow for basic modifications of the channel lineup. eg assign different channnums and assign different xmltvids to channels. the latter could be automated, though.

[02:09:36]

laga:

there's me. and that's enough. :)

[02:10:34]

Juski:

ultimately you could just say who your tv provider is & what package you have

[02:11:10]

** Juski sniggers... snoop on an MCE box phoning home when you start to configure it :-P **

[02:11:28]

k8e_bug:

Laga, I like the KNC1 card, that looks compatible with alot of things

[02:12:26]

laga:

in germany, you'd need the zip code at least. frequencies can be different. kabel deutschland is currently shuffling their digital channel lineup around a bit – switching transponders to qam256 and/or to low frequencies which gives people all kind of funky problems... anyways ;)

[02:13:03]

laga:

k8e_bug: it's about the "conditional access module". which plugins into your DVB card. if you're located in the US, you're probably not gonna have much luck...

[02:13:07]

k8e_bug:

that's scary

[02:14:02]

k8e_bug:

I was reading up on that, it may be set to work with European cam's

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Juski:

laga: reckon a discussion with other peeps is in order or should we just _do_ it?

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** xris is unhappy to come back from vacation to discover that the cable box was turned off the day he left **

[02:14:37]

xris:

no recordings.. :(

[02:14:43]

Juski:

wah!

[02:14:52]

** Juski feels for xris **

[02:15:05]

laga:

Juski: it's not much of a problem to use the channel scanner to get your channels into the DB with mythtv. the xmltv id would give a trouble – lots of german stations don't give ya much over DVB-EIT.

[02:15:10]

xris:

I think my inlaws (watching our house) turned off the firewire box in their attempts to get the tv working.

[02:15:25]

laga:

Juski: let's just do it :) and keep $things simple & modular.

[02:15:26]

xris:

it's odd, though, since I could have sworn that we checked the recordings that were made and they existed

[02:15:28]

Juski:

laga: xmltv could be wizard-ised some

[02:16:10]

laga:

Juski: kinda. still a bitch when grabbers for the same country have differing xmltvids.

[02:16:13]

Juski:

laga: I could prolly do the Uk regions & a few providers

[02:16:32]

laga:

Juski: i was thinking that users should send in their channel config...

[02:16:46]

Juski:

yeah me too but I dunno how successful that would be

[02:17:36]

laga:

right. but what other ways are there for filling our database?

[02:17:49]

Juski:

laga: research

[02:18:06]

Juski:

I can do our 'freeview' regions and most cable/sat packages

[02:18:06]

cheatersrealm:

aight, burning knoppmyth now

[02:18:17]

Juski:

(uk ones)

[02:18:47]

Juski:

oh we can do the icons at the same time too!

[02:18:50]

laga:

Juski: well. i'm not sure how much the channel lineups differ here between different regions.

[02:19:18]

laga:

icons? don't worry, tv_grab_de_tvtoday takes care of that for me. hehe :) no, just kidding. we could run into copyright/trademark issues.

[02:19:29]

Juski:

the way I see it, it's got to be an improvement over 'every man for himself' like it is now

[02:19:37]

laga:

yep

[02:19:56]

Juski:

laga: the icons are all online.. lyngsat ;)

[02:20:03]

laga:

heh

[02:20:28]

Juski:

there might be issues with names of files changing from time to time but I'd not expect many

[02:20:42]

Kelerion:

I could help with the Sky stuff if it'd be any help

[02:20:52]

Juski:

hiya Kelerion :)

[02:20:56]

Kelerion:

hey there :)

[02:21:00]

Kelerion:

just catching up :)

[02:21:01]

laga:

hi ;)

[02:21:06]

Juski:

yeah that'd be a big help

[02:21:31]

Kelerion:

kk.. just let me know what you need

[02:21:44]

Juski:

right I think we have the makings of an action team :)

[02:21:55]

Kelerion:

copy of a fully setup of channel listing I'm guessing

[02:22:21]

Kelerion:

well.. a european action team.. lol

[02:22:40]

Kelerion:

I think the americans have it pretty easy though

[02:22:58]

Juski:

I think it'd definitely be an idea to at least have frequency info in there too, for terrestrial while it still exists

[02:23:11]

** laga is always up for some crude bash hacks :) **

[02:23:15]

Juski:

nobody in here ever seems to know how to scan UK analogue

[02:23:49]

Kelerion:

I tend to just grab 'em from xawtv.. or I used to

[02:23:49]

laga:

the analogue channel scanner in mythtv... i wouldn't recommend it, it just finds channels without telling ya their name.

[02:24:17]

Juski:

nah there are only 5 analogue channels in the UK – should be quite easy even with so many regions

[02:24:31]

laga:

heh

[02:24:52]

Kelerion:

might be worth checking google for a list of them

[02:25:09]

Juski:

I've tried several times.. nothing doing AFICT

[02:25:32]

Juski:

they have listings if you know what your neighbourhood mast is called though :-/

[02:25:35]

Juski:

oh wait...

[02:26:56]

Juski:

http://www.wolfbane.com/cgi-bin/tva.exe?

[02:27:04]

Juski:

and http://www.wolfbane.com/cgi-bin/tvd.exe?

[02:28:09]

Juski:

and with that, I think it's time I went to bedski

[02:28:41]

Kelerion:

okies.. g'night :)

[02:28:47]

laga:

night Juski

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Juski:

this is gonna be a nice project ;)

[02:29:04]

Juski:

night

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cheatersrealm:

wow knoppmyth has impressed me

[02:39:14]

laga:

cheatersrealm: tell that to cesman :)

[02:39:56]

cheatersrealm:

cesman: thanks for knoppmyth

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laga:

;)

[02:41:48]

cheatersrealm:

hrm

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cheatersrealm:

setting up tv tuner card is hard, iirc

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cheatersrealm:

ok, ati tv wonder pro (the one with remote)

[02:46:14]

cheatersrealm:

I assume it's an analog V4L capture card?

[02:46:51]

laga:

i think so

[02:47:01]

cheatersrealm:

hrm

[02:47:12]

cheatersrealm:

well I can't test this until I get a few more cables and a pci video carfd

[02:47:19]

cheatersrealm:

but it doesn't seem to be able to open the card

[02:50:14]

laga:

you should invoke google and http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Main_Page to make sure your card is support.

[02:50:17]

laga:

supported*

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cheatersrealm:

haha my computer is so ghetto

[02:53:01]

cheatersrealm:

it's a dell, that's been hacked into a very old case

[02:53:11]

cheatersrealm:

so it has like erector set and crap in it

[02:53:20]

evilDagmar:

I can commiserate

[02:53:26]

cheatersrealm:

the power switch wasn't wired to the external switch

[02:53:30]

evilDagmar:

The last time I had to change cases, I didn't have an ATX one around

[02:53:31]

cheatersrealm:

so I have to go inside of the case to get it

[02:53:34]

cheatersrealm:

haha ouch

[02:53:48]

evilDagmar:

...so my firewall's power button is actually a full-sized light switch mounted inside the AT case.

[02:53:55]

cheatersrealm:

LOL!

[02:54:01]

cheatersrealm:

that's excellt

[02:54:17]

cheatersrealm:

instead of figuring out how to attach the cpu's heatsink and fan thing to the case

[02:54:24]

cheatersrealm:

I just put some cardboard in the back of the mobo

[02:54:34]

cheatersrealm:

and then I erector setted it in

[02:54:49]

cheatersrealm:

then to get the fan (since it attaches to the heat shroud (broken)

[02:54:56]

cheatersrealm:

I used some really long erector set pieces

[02:55:03]

cheatersrealm:

and then I had to use a big bolt

[02:55:06]

cheatersrealm:

from the top

[02:55:08]

cheatersrealm:

and some zip ties

[02:55:16]

cheatersrealm:

it works fine and it's silent

[02:55:19]

cheatersrealm:

so other than the looks, it's ok

[02:55:33]

cheatersrealm:

I don't think my tv tuner card is seated properly

[02:58:39]

word:

...

[02:58:43]

laga:

that's what you get for doing it ghetto style :)

[03:01:08]

cheatersrealm:

haha

[03:01:09]

cheatersrealm:

probably

[03:01:59]

laga:

just hot-glue the bastard.. ;)

[03:02:02]

cheatersrealm:

haha

[03:02:04]

cheatersrealm:

maybe I will

[03:02:19]

cheatersrealm:

knoppmyth found no multimedia cards

[03:02:21]

cheatersrealm:

hrm

[03:02:59]

evilDagmar:

What card do you have?

[03:03:07]

cheatersrealm:

ati tv wonder pro

[03:03:15]

cheatersrealm:

tuner=44 from the linuxtv.org website

[03:03:25]

evilDagmar:

teh suck

[03:03:33]

cheatersrealm:

true

[03:03:38]

cheatersrealm:

but it means I don't have to buy much

[03:03:45]

cheatersrealm:

seeing as how all of these parts were lying around

[03:04:41]

cheatersrealm:

so we'll see

[03:05:11]

cheatersrealm:

I think my favorite part of this is the audio out

[03:05:24]

cheatersrealm:

it's on the card

[03:05:25]

cheatersrealm:

lol

[03:05:39]

cheatersrealm:

you have to put it into the line-in to pump it back out if you want it in another format

[03:07:20]

cheatersrealm:

still not finding the tv tuner card

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[03:09:03]

cheatersrealm:

it's still not working

[03:09:05]

cheatersrealm:

that's wierd

[03:12:28]

cheatersrealm:

ok, so if a tv tuner card doesn't show up

[03:12:31]

cheatersrealm:

could that possibly be drivers

[03:12:37]

cheatersrealm:

or does it have to be a physical problem?

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laga:

humm

[03:14:45]

laga:

try lspci.

[03:14:54]

cheatersrealm:

right

[03:14:57]

laga:

if it shows up there, then it should be properly seated.

[03:15:00]

cheatersrealm:

if it doesn't show up in lspci

[03:15:34]

laga:

then.. you should try to re-seat it, maybe use some canned air to clean out dust, or try a different pci slot

[03:15:50]

cheatersrealm:

already tried out 3 pci slots

[03:15:51]

cheatersrealm:

out of 3

[03:15:54]

cheatersrealm:

I'm gonna try another computer

[03:15:56]

cheatersrealm:

with windows

[03:15:59]

cheatersrealm:

see if the card is still alive

[03:16:01]

laga:

good luck

[03:16:07]

cheatersrealm:

or if it's little digital heart has stopped beating

[03:16:13]

cheatersrealm:

so I'll be back once I figure this out

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** GreyFoxx wonders how many complainers will show up on the lists with the mythdvd changes heh **

[03:20:36]

GreyFoxx:

Is it wrong that I get a kick out of that sort of thing ?

[03:20:44]

evilDagmar:

Hell no

[03:20:52]

evilDagmar:

It's your right as a superior users.

[03:20:55]

evilDagmar:

er user

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GreyFoxx:

hah

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laga:

GreyFoxx: a note in the release announcement would be a good idea, though.

[03:25:52]

GreyFoxx:

laga: for sure :)

[03:27:30]

laga:

heh :)

[03:28:03]

laga:

"0.20 will mess up your mythdvd settings. no way you could do something about that. we 0wn y00!" :)

[03:29:11]

GreyFoxx:

"0.20 moves to using the internal dvd player for all dvd playback. You can still configure myth to use an external play as before."

[03:29:14]

GreyFoxx:

heh

[03:30:19]

laga:

ok, then let's use mine for all bug reports about "you guys did something bad to mythdvd".

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cheatersrealm:

aha

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cheatersrealm:

pebcak

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cheatersrealm:

I had turned off pci a while ago

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cheatersrealm:

because this computer was in a cardboard box

[03:32:32]

laga:

you can turn off PCI?

[03:32:38]

cheatersrealm:

it was a dell

[03:32:42]

cheatersrealm:

now it's a piece

[03:32:46]

cheatersrealm:

but it runs mythtv

[03:32:50]

cheatersrealm:

and it's 2.6ghz celeron

[03:32:53]

cheatersrealm:

512mb ram

[03:32:57]

cheatersrealm:

until I find some more ram

[03:33:00]

cheatersrealm:

which I think I have

[03:33:09]

cheatersrealm:

this computer was found in the dumpster originally, btw

[03:33:45]

cheatersrealm:

ok, so now I've got mythtv

[03:33:50]

cheatersrealm:

but my remote doesn't work

[03:33:52]

cheatersrealm:

it's the ati remote

[03:34:00]

** laga has another sip of beer and nods in agreement **

[03:34:07]

cheatersrealm:

oh

[03:34:09]

cheatersrealm:

actually it does work

[03:34:12]

cheatersrealm:

funny

[03:34:16]

cheatersrealm:

stupid computer

[03:34:46]

laga:

s/computer/user/ ;)

[03:34:52]

cheatersrealm:

dag, you got me

[03:35:12]

briand:

laga: thanks, but I have that sed script as a plugin in xchat.

[03:35:25]

cheatersrealm:

heck yes

[03:35:28]

cheatersrealm:

tux racer with my remote

[03:35:48]

cheatersrealm:

ahh no remote

[03:35:52]

cheatersrealm:

but I'll have wireless keyboard

[03:37:12]

cheatersrealm:

hrm, I hope my new video card does better 3d accell

[03:37:20]

cheatersrealm:

this is like .5 fps

[03:37:59]

GreyFoxx:

laga: I was thinking maybe a mythcomics plugin wouldn't be usefull. It'd likelybe almost unreadable on standard def TV :)

[03:38:34]

laga:

GreyFoxx: well, mythbrowser and mythgallery do fancy zooming stuff.

[03:39:07]

GreyFoxx:

Next time I compile the plugins I'll enable mythbrowser and see how readable it is

[03:39:44]

laga:

GreyFoxx: you could help juski with his overscan setup tool. he's probably told you about it – 4 rectangles in every corner of the screen, adjustable by the user. some simple math later and you've got screen size & offsets all worked out...

[03:39:59]

laga:

just in case you have some spare dev time on your hands, i mean :)

[03:40:07]

GreyFoxx:

laga: Cool. I was thinking that something like thatshould be in there

[03:40:14]

cheatersrealm:

hrm

[03:40:23]

laga:

GreyFoxx: then you should talk to him :)

[03:40:24]

GreyFoxx:

You should beable to change that all live on screen with a remote

[03:40:26]

cheatersrealm:

ok, so for some reason mythbackend isn't working

[03:40:28]

laga:

yep.

[03:40:30]

cheatersrealm:

does it leave a log somewhere?

[03:40:43]

laga:

GreyFoxx: neutrino on the dbox2 works like that. really nifty & useful.

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laga:

cheatersrealm: try /var/log/mythtv/

[03:41:30]

cheatersrealm:

does this thing need to be plugged in for it to work?

[03:41:36]

cheatersrealm:

as in tv in

[03:41:40]

cheatersrealm:

for mythtv backend stuff

[03:41:43]

GreyFoxx:

no

[03:41:55]

cheatersrealm:

not recording, obviously, but listings lookups

[03:42:46]

GreyFoxx:

myth has no real idea if you have the tuner connectedto a video source or not

[03:42:55]

GreyFoxx:

even when recording

[03:43:05]

cheatersrealm:

ok

[03:43:39]

laga:

'video source'. bad term :/

[03:44:03]

GreyFoxx:

heh

[03:44:17]

GreyFoxx:

ok, any actual video signal

[03:44:19]

laga:

;)

[03:44:40]

laga:

well. isn't noise a video signal, too?

[03:45:06]

cheatersrealm:

hrm

[03:45:20]

cheatersrealm:

I can't setup video stuff from inside the mythtvfrontend, can I?

[03:45:23]

cheatersrealm:

stuff for the backend

[03:45:26]

cheatersrealm:

that makes a lot of sense

[03:45:33]

GreyFoxx:

It's the lack of a video signal, just the crap in the air :)

[03:45:57]

laga:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

cheatersrealm: most ofthe important stuff is in mythtv-setup

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cheatersrealm:

right

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cheatersrealm:

ok

[03:46:47]

GreyFoxx:

At least when it comes to setting up the capture hardware

[03:48:37]

cheatersrealm:

I probably should setup the xmltv listings grabber

[03:48:56]

GreyFoxx:

You are in north america right ?

[03:48:59]

cheatersrealm:

where do I get a username/password?

[03:49:00]

cheatersrealm:

yeah

[03:49:11]

evilDagmar:

You just register

[03:49:13]

GreyFoxx:

so you use datadirect from zap2it, not xmltv

[03:49:13]

evilDagmar:

It's free

[03:49:37]

evilDagmar:

Well, xmltv is what's used to get the listings from zap2it

[03:50:10]

GreyFoxx:

I know it use to be, but not anymore

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GreyFoxx:

myth calls wget , then reads and parsesthe xml itself

[03:50:32]

evilDagmar:

Really?

[03:50:40]

GreyFoxx:

I'm 99% sure

[03:50:43]

cheatersrealm:

so what do I do for the xmltv listings grabber?

[03:50:48]

GreyFoxx:

without looking at the code again

[03:50:51]

cheatersrealm:

'North America (datadirect)'

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cheatersrealm:

seems the most sane choice

[03:51:01]

cheatersrealm:

then in user/password I put zap2it info?

[03:51:04]

evilDagmar:

Yep

[03:51:13]

GreyFoxx:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.3

[03:51:15]

cheatersrealm:

is zap2it free forever?

[03:51:21]

GreyFoxx:

There is a code there and a link for you to sign up to zap2it

[03:51:30]

GreyFoxx:

is anything guaranteed forever ?:)

[03:51:38]

cheatersrealm:

well I mean it's not time-limited now

[03:51:50]

GreyFoxx:

you have to renew every 3 months, a simple survey of a couple questions

[03:53:17]

cheatersrealm:

right

[03:53:18]

cheatersrealm:

ok

[03:53:36]

GreyFoxx:

Personally,I'd pay a modest fee for the listings if it came down to it, but hopefully it wont. They have done it free for quite a while now

[03:53:47]

GreyFoxx:

better than the days we had to use xmltvto screenscrape their site :)

[03:54:41]

cheatersrealm:

yikes

[03:54:56]

laga:

yeh. trust me, it sucks. :)

[03:55:16]

evilDagmar:

Actually, I'd rather like to see a plugin for Myth that lets us fill out the survey from within the unit

[03:55:22]

evilDagmar:

Someone might want to broach that subject with them

[03:55:48]

cheatersrealm:

screen scraping is never fun

[03:55:57]

GreyFoxx:

evil|sleep: Yeah, that would be nice.... though it could be as simple as using mythbrowser

[03:56:03]

cheatersrealm:

I would do that like every month if it was a few questions, and it was inside the tv

[03:56:10]

evilDagmar:

Yep. Same here.

[03:56:42]

GreyFoxx:

A popup notification would be nice when listings updates fail. Sometimes I don't notice until I don't see any listings in the guide/mythweb :)

[03:57:46]

cheatersrealm:

yeah ok

[03:58:06]

cheatersrealm:

so I think my mythtv box is setup, less a pci video card with decent 3d accel and tv out

[03:58:31]

cheatersrealm:

why do the ambulances feel the need to play their sirens so loud, it's midnight

[03:58:39]

cheatersrealm:

how many people can possibly be driving on those roads

[03:59:22]

k8e_bug:

In europe the cable-TV connection is not threaded is it?

[03:59:31]

k8e_bug:

I'm looking at pictures of dvb cards and I don't see threads

[04:00:01]

laga:

threads?

[04:00:10]

evilDagmar:

cheatersrealm: Plenty of people, and since it's dark they'll need plenty of warning that a fast moving emergency vehicle is coming

[04:00:14]

k8e_bug:

does not screw on

[04:00:14]

GreyFoxx:

aren't all f-connectors threaded ?

[04:00:19]

evilDagmar:

If you don't like it, tell your neighbors to stop shooting each other

[04:00:32]

evilDagmar:

GreyFoxx: No, some are shitty push-on types

[04:00:33]

k8e_bug:

in the US the coaxial cables have threaded ends

[04:01:07]

laga:

most of our connectors here are just push-on thingies. dvb-s cards are usually f-connectors, though. iirc. :)

[04:01:07]

k8e_bug:

Laga, my head hurts from all this research

[04:01:09]

GreyFoxx:

yeah, the cheap push on cables, but the connector on the tuner would have to be threaded or the cable would fall off

[04:01:32]

k8e_bug:

I'm thinking that the govt is just not allowing the cards, because they know people will record pay-per-view movies

[04:01:34]

laga:

k8e_bug: heh :) don't worry too much about the card, worry about getting a CAM instead :)

[04:02:03]

laga:

k8e_bug: the government? *shrug* MPAA lobbyism & paranoid TV companies.

[04:02:19]

k8e_bug:

yes, MPAA

[04:02:32]

cheatersrealm:

hrm, perhaps it's the single pane windows here that make it seem so bad

[04:02:40]

k8e_bug:

I suppose they are the ones that don't want that technology

[04:02:53]

cheatersrealm:

can anyone suggest a good pci video card with tv out?

[04:03:09]

k8e_bug:

I've also read, that you can get MPEG streams from the set top boxes, but they will not stream anything designated as pay-per-view

[04:03:19]

pridkett:

soooo...umm...not sure if anyone else cares, but apparently comcast sends a whole lot of data in the clear they shouldn't. Like HDTV on-demand.

[04:03:21]

cheatersrealm:

yeah some do with firewire

[04:03:25]

fysa:

YMMV.

[04:03:38]

cheatersrealm:

pridkett: what if I'm signed up for limited basic cable

[04:03:40]

pridkett:

k8e_bug: funny you mention that, I just discovered comcast does spit out on-demand over QAM

[04:03:43]

k8e_bug:

I know they provide an access card

[04:03:59]

pridkett:

cheatersrealm: no idea. This was just with a pcHDTV HD-3000 card

[04:04:00]

k8e_bug:

I'm not sure if it's compatible with the card readers available with the products I've seen

[04:04:15]

cheatersrealm:

my limited basic cable bites

[04:04:19]

k8e_bug:

yeah the PCHDTV cards look great, just don't work with digital cable :(

[04:04:24]

pridkett:

in any case, in addition to being to see what I was watching, I could also see what my neighbors were up to

[04:04:31]

cheatersrealm:

hopefully a roomate of mine will upgrade it out of his own pocket in september

[04:04:39]

cheatersrealm:

heh

[04:04:41]

k8e_bug:

they have a 5500 card that is only 129 on the website

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pridkett:

k8e_bug: depends on your provider. Comcast in pittsburgh lets me get a fair amount of channels. All the broadcast, universal HD, discovery HD, and now PPV HD

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cheatersrealm:

hrm, it seems to segfault when I try and record something

[04:07:16]

k8e_bug:

I believe comcast and COX have the same parent company

[04:07:22]

k8e_bug:

that might be an option

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pridkett:

k8e_bug: umm, no they don't

[04:11:23]

pridkett:

comcast is comcast

[04:11:26]

pridkett:

they have no parent company

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pridkett:

afaik, they don't own cox

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k8e_bug:

makes sence because I don't know if that was a reliable source

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antiPosix:

I finally have a working mythtv, all except for audio

[04:16:47]

antiPosix:

mythtv is constantly recording...correct?

[04:17:13]

antiPosix:

mythtv never plays realtime broadcast audio, only what it captures and encodes, right?

[04:17:37]

GreyFoxx:

antiPosix: myth is recording during livetv, and of course during recordings

[04:17:55]

GreyFoxx:

but if it's not scheduled to record, and you don';t have livetv going, it's not recording anything

[04:18:01]

k8e_bug:

what about dvb-c and dvb-s dvb-s won't work with c?

[04:18:24]

GreyFoxx:

k8e_bug: correct

[04:18:45]

** laga pets his dvb-c card **

[04:18:45]

antiPosix:

because tvtime plays the tuners audio, because it unmute's the capture device

[04:19:01]

antiPosix:

so how to I troubleshoot why mythtv isnt recording my audio

[04:19:19]

laga:

antiPosix: the mythtv documentation has a whole chapter dedicated to troubleshooting audio.

[04:19:23]

GreyFoxx:

antiPosix: There is a section on thatsort of thing in the docs at mythtv.org

[04:19:36]

laga:

heh. yes. finally. beat ya to it. :)

[04:19:46]

GreyFoxx:

heh it had to happen sooneror later :)

[04:20:02]

laga:

;)

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k8e_bug:

I wonder if they crack down on that stuff in canada :)

[04:22:27]

GreyFoxx:

What stuff ?

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JoelMax:

hi

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k8e_bug:

the ability to capture digital TV

[04:23:25]

k8e_bug:

directly with the PC

[04:23:44]

k8e_bug:

just the thought of them cracking down makes me want to record every HBO movie I can

[04:23:55]

GreyFoxx:

If it's broadcast in the clear you are free to do what you like with it except for redistrbute it

[04:23:57]

k8e_bug:

I just want to be able to watch TV like I do now, but in my new house

[04:23:58]

JoelMax:

how i can fix the Noise in the video? PVR-500 ivtv 0.4.6

[04:24:16]

k8e_bug:

well digitally that is

[04:24:48]

GreyFoxx:

k8e_bug: As long as you aren't bypassing security measures to get at it noone cares

[04:25:10]

GreyFoxx:

and even if you do, then it's the company doing the broadcasting that has the problem with it, not the government

[04:25:26]

antiPosix:

holy crap! its working

[04:25:47]

antiPosix:

esd was hogging /dev/dsp(thank you mythtv FAQ)

[04:26:12]

laga:

heh :)

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k8e_bug:

I plan on playing fair

[04:27:06]

k8e_bug:

using the card, and so on

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k8e_bug:

I think I should just go and pay less for non digital TV and stay with my PVR 150

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GreyFoxx:

k8e_bug: Most digital cable is notin the clear so you wouldn't be able to record mostof it anyway :)

[04:27:42]

GreyFoxx:

where are you moving to ?

[04:28:24]

laga:

k8e_bug: wirte a letter to the TV company. every little bit helps :)

[04:28:43]

** GreyFoxx heads to bed **

[04:29:23]

antiPosix:

is it true a USB gamepad can control mythtv?

[04:29:25]

fysa:

Anyone using a DVB-S2 card with Myth/Dish Network?

[04:29:36]

cheatersrealm:

have a good night everyohe

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JoelMax:

fysa, what is dvb-s2?

[04:30:27]

fysa:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVB-S

[04:30:29]

laga:

i don't believe there's any driver support for DVB-S2 cards.

[04:31:04]

briand:

...and, if there were, I doubt DishNetwork would give you a cam for the card... they'd rather sell you their DVR.

[04:31:05]

JoelMax:

fysa, i used VDR is the best

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k8e_bug:

Laga, I think I undrestand

[04:31:31]

k8e_bug:

the card holds the encryption, but the CAM actually works with the card to enable something

[04:31:43]

k8e_bug:

I wonder if I could take a screwdriver to the set top box and remove the card reader

[04:31:57]

k8e_bug:

do you think it complies to something like USB or PCMCIA standard?

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fysa:

yes--there were access card interfaces for DVB-S PCI cards I believe.

[04:32:14]

fysa:

so you could use your subscribed access card to decrypt.

[04:32:19]

antiPosix:

where do I set my recording resolution once mythtv is running

[04:32:50]

briand:

antiPosix: recording profiles

[04:33:08]

laga:

k8e_bug: usually, no.

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fysa:

oh. it looks like there are firewire-enabled Dish receivers.

[04:36:41]

fysa:

maybe not quite enabled.

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jontydog:

laga: you still here?

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k8e_bug:

okay I give up on that

[05:05:52]

k8e_bug:

I don't think there is going to be any way to have an entertainment PC in the USA without a cable box

[05:06:12]

k8e_bug:

The second option is, ubuntu + firewire/USB2

[05:06:18]

k8e_bug:

Anybody have luck with that?

[05:07:23]

evilDagmar:

Maybe if you're using digital cable

[05:07:29]

evilDagmar:

I don't have a cable box.

[05:07:58]

evilDagmar:

Although if your normal inclination is to just complain and give up, it's going to really limit your options

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k8e_bug:

my head hurts though

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k8e_bug:

I'm in the lazy, wish somebody else who has done it could just tell me what to buy and what drivers I need

[05:08:51]

k8e_bug:

I've spent most of the evening looking it up and my wife is really pissed

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evilDagmar:

THen go make the wife happy and buy a TiVo in the morning

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k8e_bug:

LoL I already have a working mythtv box, why would I want to do that?

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evilDagmar:

You sound like you don't have a working myth box to me.

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k8e_bug:

There's several very good guides that I have found for the IR solution

[05:17:44]

k8e_bug:

Ahh, you came in after I started. I have it working with a a pvr 150

[05:18:36]

k8e_bug:

I'm moving and getting digital cable, I wanted to change capture cards, I can always just keep my setup and get the IR solution and have it change the channels on the set top box.

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k8e_bug:

Also, depending on the type of set top box I get, I may be able to use USB2 or firewire to access the content. Anyways, I was looking here for answers, and there are some if you live in Europe, but from the US I just get sarcasm. Have a good night.

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ikonia:

has anyone notived that the device files for dvb cars in FC5 has unusual udev rules

[08:29:27]

ikonia:

all ma to root:root

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ikonia:

and 700

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ikonia:

s/ma/map

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Hoxzer:

:( I dont like fedora

[08:32:43]

Hoxzer:

for some reason when I tried it I lost my mind

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Anduin:

ikonia: You have all the updates?

[08:33:26]

ikonia:

yeah

[08:33:32]

ikonia:

its no big deal to change the rules

[08:33:38]

ikonia:

I was just curious to if anyone had noticved

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ikonia:

Anduin you're not using FC5 are you ?

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Anduin:

ikonia: I do, not dvb though

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ikonia:

ah

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Hoxzer:

öö..

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Hoxzer:

Joku yrittää kai saada mua kiinni tai jotain :D

[08:39:08]

Hoxzer:

siottaa nätä salasana juttuja näitten näppäimistöjen alle

[08:39:17]

Hoxzer:

siis ekalle keralla löyty yksi

[08:39:22]

Hoxzer:

nyt löyty toinen

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Hoxzer:

li nyt tiedän himmu nimisen hepun salasanan/käyttäjänimen

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ikonia:

no idea what you're saying

[08:40:07]

Hoxzer:

et aika gl hf

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Hoxzer:

ikonia: näitä juttuja mitä jaetaan aina kun tuut kouluun ekaa kertaa

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Hoxzer:

ikonia: jossa koulus käyttäjänimi/salasana

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Hoxzer:

niin ikonia jo kaksi tälläistä löytynyt mun paikalta

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ikonia:

sorry – don't understand your language

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Hoxzer:

ikonia: :DD wrong channel

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ikonia:

hope you understand english

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Hoxzer:

ikonia: I thought I was anime.fi@qnet

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ikonia:

ah

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Hoxzer:

You see, I was talking about these papers that have username and pw on it

[08:41:33]

Hoxzer:

that is given to new students

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Hoxzer:

I have found now 2 of them

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Hoxzer:

for some reason somebody tries to give me them

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Hoxzer:

this is strange....

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ikonia:

I'm trying to build a dvb transmitter config file for "uk-Mendip" as its missing out of the dvb-tools default configuration files. I have some of the configuration information, but I'm unsure where to get/what is the missing parts. Does anyone have an ok understanding of these configuration files ?

[08:44:21]

ikonia:

ahh, I may have found on in the debian archive

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slaine_:

Hey Guys,

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slaine_:

I'm looking for someone with comparible hardware to let me know if my mythfrontend CPU usage is a little high or not

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slaine_:

while watching live TV

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slaine_:

I've a Via EPIA MII 1.2GHz with a Hauppauge PVR-500 doing all the heaving lifting

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evilDagmar:

Depends on what you're doing

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slaine_:

Ubuntu linux with all the currenty updates, Mythtv 19 (cvs fixes branch)

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evilDagmar:

Recording isn't going to use diddle

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slaine_:

And it doesn't

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slaine_:

I've got Via XvMC enabled and it seems to be working

[09:32:44]

slaine_:

But I was getting a fair bit of video and audio jitter

[09:33:04]

slaine_:

I passed in acpi=off which seems to have fixed most of the jitter issues

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evilDagmar:

Enable the aggressive audio buffering

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slaine_:

But just watching live tv seems to be using about 40–50 percent on the CPU

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evilDagmar:

Why would you think turning off ACPI would help?

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evilDagmar:

Yeah, displaying video is going to use some CPU

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evilDagmar:

Just like watching any movie file will.

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slaine_:

The CLE266 only has accelration for MPEG2, not full decoding, so that could be an acceptable level of usage

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slaine_:

Recordings are working fine

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slaine_:

I'll check the Audio buffering setting, I think I may have that enabled already, but I'll check.

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Juski:

slaine_: my m10k board uses only 15% cpu during playback of pvr150 recordings

[09:56:11]

Juski:

but then I'm running at 720x576 resolution on X

[09:57:03]

slaine_:

Juski, that's what I'm running too, hrrrm

[09:57:28]

slaine_:

Juski, Is that playback of pre-recorded content or playback of live tv ?

[09:57:43]

Juski:

doesn't matter – it's the same gravy baby

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slaine_:

It should be :)

[09:57:54]

slaine_:

for me it's not

[09:58:11]

slaine_:

I'm seeing about the same when I playback content that I've recorded, but not when doing live tv

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Juski:

slaine_: make the livetv profile the same params as the 'default' recording profile then

[09:59:04]

Juski:

just an option

[09:59:06]

slaine_:

The ivtv stuff is using a small amount of CPU and I/O but the mythfrontend process is using about 40–50%

[09:59:21]

slaine_:

Juski, I'm pretty sure I've them all the same, bar the low quality one

[10:00:15]

evilDagmar:

"pretty sure" meaning "guessing"

[10:01:46]

evilDagmar:

Break out mplayer and play one of those video files

[10:01:51]

slaine_:

pretty sure meaning, I did check all that stuff and I'm 99% sure that Default/LiveTV/High Quality are ALL set to 720x576 MPEG2 and 48000/320 audio

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slaine_:

I left Low Quality at the 480x480 setting

[10:02:16]

evilDagmar:

So play one of them with mplayer

[10:02:30]

slaine_:

As I said, they play fine

[10:02:36]

slaine_:

They record fine

[10:02:56]

slaine_:

it's just that mythfrontend goes a bit CPU heavy during playback

[10:03:00]

slaine_:

of live tv

[10:03:26]

slaine_:

Now, my understanding is that it should be effectively the same, i.e. Mythfrontend is reading a buffered mpeg file

[10:03:27]

evilDagmar:

It should be the same as when you're playing a recording.

[10:03:39]

evilDagmar:

If it's not, you shoudl hassle whoever compiled your binaries

[10:03:47]

slaine_:

That would be me then :)

[10:04:19]

slaine_:

Is there a way to log what Mythfront end is doing duing playback ?

[10:10:33]

Anduin:

slaine_: there is -v playback

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slaine_:

I should probably just go rtfm ont hat stuff

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slaine_:

Anduin, thanks

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Juski:

slaine_: are you playing back at the same resolution as X? scaling will probably impact cpu usage

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slaine_:

Well, X is set to 720x576NOSCALE, so I guess so.

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Juski:

no – are you set up to play back in mythtv without scaling? you can have different video modes for certain things and even scale video to match the gui size

[10:27:19]

slaine_:

Hmm, I've no idea

[10:27:33]

slaine_:

Any pointers on what menu I should be looking under ?

[10:28:53]

Juski:

appearance settings, tv playback settings

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slaine_:

Juski, any particular settings in there that I should be looking for. I can't recall anything relating to scaling.

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Juski:

slaine_: for one, make sure 'use gui size for playback' isn't checked

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slaine_:

Juski, Cheers, I'll keep an eye out for that

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Juski:

bloody hell!!!! tv_grab_uk_rt in cvs now has.. "Added channel icon URLs to tv_grab_uk_rt."

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Juski:

http://xmltv.cvs.sourceforge.net/xmltv/xmltv/ . . . ids?view=log

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Juski:

afternoon Kelerion

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Kelerion:

afternoon :)

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Kelerion:

huh? wha? icons?

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Juski:

icons!

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Juski:

http://xmltv.cvs.sourceforge.net/xmltv/xmltv/ . . . ;view=markup

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Kelerion:

am rebuilding my mythbox today... gonna have to get that :)

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Juski:

is that all that was needed before for mythfilldatabase --grab-icons ?

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Juski:

and nobody had done it before...?

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Kelerion:

nope.. I'd tried it.. *ages* ago.. but had tried it

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Kelerion:

if you look in the channels file.. those urls aren't there

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Juski:

what channels file?

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Juski:

channel_ids ?

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Juski:

no I know the icon URLs are new to the uk_rt file

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Kelerion:

the one that comes with xmltv

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Juski:

which'd be qhy grab-icons didn't work before

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Kelerion:

yup

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Juski:

but all it would have taken is for someone to add the URLs to that file and nobody had?!

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Kelerion:

well.. and add a new field to the grabber

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Juski:

if I'd known that's all it'd have taken I'd have done it

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Kelerion:

wouldn't have been a huge thing, no

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Kelerion:

they're grabbing them from the freeview website.. the images look ok too

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Juski:

I'm sitting down & thinking what kind of info we need to do this wizard type affair

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Kelerion:

you going for a world-wide thing?

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Juski:

a problem I've seen when I've talked to folks in here is that some people don't know what their TV region is :-|

[11:50:21]

Juski:

Kelerion: not worldwide yet

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Kelerion:

just european?

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Juski:

I'm thinking about what I know.. and I know the UK stuff right now

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Kelerion:

or just UK?

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Kelerion:

yup

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Juski:

proof of concept, start the ball rolling...

[11:51:53]

Juski:

are there many places in the UK where you can be within catchment of 2 itv/bbc regions?

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Kelerion:

yes.. I think so...

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Juski:

or is that just overcomplicating it for the sake of..?

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Kelerion:

overcomplicating...

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Kelerion:

in the uk you either are on analog (set of 5 channels for everyone).. dvb (set number of channels again).. cable (subset of all based on package selection) sky (same as cable)

[11:54:51]

Juski:

that still doesn't solve the issue for peeps with more than one ITV1

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Juski:

I duno if their numbers are weighty enough to even consider though

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Juski:

ok. I'll assume_not_

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Kelerion:

you thinking about analog?

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Juski:

yeah

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Kelerion:

people tend to just tune their tv's into one ITV1.. not setup channel 6 as a secondary ITV too

[11:56:35]

Juski:

yeah but which mast are they pointing at? do they know what it's called?

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Juski:

for my postcode there are 4 places I could point my aerial at

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Kelerion:

ok.. get what your getting at

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Juski:

and in 'fringes' of telly regions you could get Brum's ITV in one direction & granada in the other

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Juski:

ah sod it – it's not too much to ask of people to know the name of the mast

[11:58:42]

Juski:

we ain't going _that_ low level

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Kelerion:

nope.. and people who are even considering a myth box should know *something* about that kinda of stuff

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** Kelerion knows that ain't write as I wrote it.. lol **

[11:59:16]

Kelerion:

right

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Juski:

you'd think... Showshifter worked on that level

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Kelerion:

yup

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Kelerion:

I wouldn't worry about it

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Juski:

tv type (ana/digi) > country > region > mast > badabing

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Juski:

I need to smerk. brb

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Kelerion:

yup.. and if digi and not dvb: provider (sky/cable/that hull one) > package

[12:05:08]

Kelerion:

no.. just sky and cable.. thinking of something else

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Juski:

freesat ?

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Kelerion:

I don't think that many people use it in the UK.. might me something to add on later?

[12:08:10]

Juski:

maybe even 'using external STB' ?

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Kelerion:

yes

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Juski:

believe it or not I know of people using freeview boxen with analogue cap. cards

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Juski:

not with mythtv though

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Kelerion:

how do they change channel?

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Juski:

ir zapper

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Kelerion:

ahh ok

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Juski:

way too much hassle just for freeview, but the only solution for .. TUTV

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Kelerion:

don't see the point...dvb cards are cheap enough nowadays

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Juski:

oh hell. that's a problem

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RaYmAn-Bx:

Juski: why on earth would you want TUTV :S

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Juski:

the TUTV channels are only active part of the time

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Juski:

screw them then

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Juski:

actually that's the probelm with using xmltv on channels like ABC1

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Juski:

the guide data runs for longer than the channel is broadcast for on freeview

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Kelerion:

how come? it's on longer on sky and cable?

[12:11:28]

Juski:

yup

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Kelerion:

I don't see how you can get around that though.. you do need to use xmltv

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Juski:

so – no support for folks using external STBs for freeview

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Juski:

"spen15 quid & get a kworld card at aldi you muppet"

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Kelerion:

yup yup.. lol

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Juski:

starting to feel a -users list post coming on

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Kelerion:

asking for suggestions?

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Kelerion:

or situations

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Juski:

itv/bbc regions & names of their bbc1/2 itv1

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Juski:

or maybe I could find out myself

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Kelerion:

theres no way you'd get a complete list that way

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Juski:

right. there are 14 ITV regions

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Kelerion:

http://www.ukfree.tv/itvsky.php

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Kelerion:

might be handy

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Juski:

woo nifty!

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Kelerion:

in fact... if they don't know what mast.. point them at: http://www.ukfree.tv/transmitters.php#

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Juski:

bbc regions too: http://www.ukfree.tv/bbcsky.php

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Kelerion:

yup yup :)

[12:22:52]

Kelerion:

that looks like a very handy site

[12:23:51]

Juski:

actually we could do away with the need of the mast name input from the user

[12:24:05]

Juski:

or just give the most likely one

[12:24:05]

Kelerion:

and just use their postcode from that table

[12:26:31]

Juski:

a little perl could use that site actually

[12:26:50]

Juski:

enter stuff into the form, submit it, scrape data out of it

[12:27:31]

Kelerion:

how likely is that data to change though? not very I'd imagine

[12:27:46]

Juski:

true

[12:27:53]

Juski:

more something to worry about come switchoff time

[12:28:07]

Juski:

at least now the digital scanning is nothing to concern ourselves with :)

[12:28:08]

Kelerion:

yup

[12:30:44]

Juski:

oo yeah. this is gonna be niiiice

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Juski:

thinking about it... this could ultimately end up in tv_grab_uk_rt --configure in theory

[12:32:10]

Kelerion:

you doing this in perl?

[12:32:22]

Juski:

probably

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Juski:

won't depend on anything daft though – just stuff that's already gonna be ther

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Kelerion:

yup

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Juski:

ok so now I've got bbcregions.txt and itvregions.txt – all they need is the xmltvids slopped in there

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Kelerion:

sounds like a plan :)

[12:34:39]

Juski:

and ultimately too.. this needs to go into mythtv's gui

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Kelerion:

thats what I was thinking

[12:34:56]

Juski:

but hey let me walk before I try to run eh? ;)

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** Kelerion chuckles **

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Juski:

neeeed time off work to do this... want .. to ... finish....

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Juski:

I feel hyper hyper now

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Kelerion:

lmao

[12:36:42]

Juski:

oops – forgot all about updating the wide theme

[12:36:52]

Juski:

finish the themes first...

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Kelerion:

it need updating?

[12:37:01]

Juski:

www.juski.co.uk/previews/

[12:37:17]

Juski:

brighter, lighter ;)

[12:37:30]

Juski:

more spiff (IMHO)

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Kelerion:

nice :)

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Aid1:

Juski: guess who gets their DVB-S today? :)

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Juski:

you? heheh

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Juski:

Kelerion: cheers :)

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Aid1:

Juski: CORRECT!

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Juski:

right I need to get some work done

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Juski:

ta for that kelerion – mucho helpy :D

[12:43:13]

Aid1:

im going to need help with my messed up database, probably

[12:43:20]

Kelerion:

yup.. no worries :)

[12:47:46]

laga:

morning

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laga:

Juski: ah, already working on it? well done )

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laga:

:)

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Kelerion:

morning :)

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Kelerion:

he's chomping at the bit :)

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stuarta:

afternoon all

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Kelerion:

afternoon :)

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Kelerion:

oh.. great.. looks like I'm gonna be rewriting a new epos system.. lol

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stuarta:

could be worse.

[13:03:08]

Kelerion:

I've written them before.. they are boring as hell.. lol

[13:04:33]

Kelerion:

it's a *really* wierd situation.. a gay millionaire customer of mine that I'm developing a new site for.. his tech in the business is also his partner.. and they keep falling out.. and he's worried he'll lose all his data.. lol... so he keeps asking me if what the partner is doing is right.. it's wierd. .lol

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stuarta:

that's a rather large can of worms

[13:05:33]

Kelerion:

I *know* ..

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Kelerion:

this tech has rewritten their inhouse epos.. and the customer says it's overcomplicated and he can't find a bloody thing he's looking for.. so asked *me* if it was overcomplicated.. and I agreed... so now he's just called to ask me if I could write one that would be simpler..

[13:07:54]

maniacxs:

hi, i have problem with current svn it looks for me like a diseqc problem. when zapping channels on another transport i get signal of ~20% and no TV, but when zapping to a channel that does not need diseqc i am able to zap to any other channel. does somebody has this problem, too?

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maniacxs:

i was not able to find a ticket for this problem.

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stuarta:

maniacxs: no, but the diseq stuff has been completely redone since 0.19

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Kelerion:

I don't use dvb.. so not much use

[13:08:52]

stuarta:

so you may need to redo the setup.

[13:09:03]

maniacxs:

stuarta: already did it.

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stuarta:

I had to check :)

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cheatersrealm:

so mythtv supports auto-commercial-flagging?

[13:34:47]

antiPrizac:

apparently

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Kelerion:

does for a lot of people yes

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stuarta:

although YMMV

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cheatersrealm:

interesting

[13:35:39]

Kelerion:

juski.. those channel icons work a treat :)

[13:36:37]

Kelerion:

no where near complete yet.. but not bad :)

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antiPrizac:

I just got my MythTV box running late(very late) last night. Now I am curious...Is the only way to get a viewing schedule direcly from watching livetv

[13:37:07]

antiPrizac:

sorry, misworded

[13:37:16]

antiPrizac:

is there anyway I can get the schedule while I am watching livetv

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stuarta:

's'

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cheatersrealm:

hrm, ok, so it has commercial flagging

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cheatersrealm:

huzzah

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Kelerion:

you mean the program guide?

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antiPrizac:

yes, program guide,. thanks

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Kelerion:

press the M key

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Kelerion:

first option I believe

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Kelerion:

I think theres a shortcut too

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stuarta:

's'

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Kelerion:

ahh.. "s" then.. lol

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antiPrizac:

when I was compiling mythtv I noticed gamepad option. is there any way to get a gamepad to behave like a makeshift remote-control?

[13:38:50]

** Kelerion chuckles **

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Kelerion:

antiPrizac: it supports it yes.. but never used it

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antiPrizac:

I dont see it in the documentation

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Kelerion:

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV#Joystick_control gives a few ideas

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antiPrizac:

wow! nice. thanks Kelerion

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Kelerion:

but if your compiling it.. make sure it's enabled in ./configure

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antiPrizac:

it was by default in 0.19

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Kelerion:

kk

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antiPrizac:

maybe I had the correct libs that configure detected

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Kelerion:

it might be enabled by default.. I don't recall.. never used it

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flindet_:

My mythbox keeps locking up. Can anyone recommend some software to test/diagnose hardware? Something like a livecd would be nice.

[13:58:06]

qu0zl:

what hardware flindet_?

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flindet_:

x86 based. And amd 3200 xp

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flindet_:

I just want to run some diagnostics on the computer

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dev:

take its pulse and its bloodpressure?

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flindet_:

I think it may have overheated (got to zealous with the whole silentpc thing) and some hardware may be dodgy now

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Zider:

memtest86+ and cpuburn

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Zider:

:P

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flindet_:

what's weird is it was fine at command line

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slaine_:

lmsensors to get the thermal properties

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flindet_:

it's when I get into X that it starts locking up

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slaine_:

nVidia ?

[14:00:09]

flindet_:

yeah

[14:00:28]

slaine_:

Try using the free nv driver as opposed to the propietry nvidia driver

[14:00:34]

flindet_:

actually, I take that back

[14:00:38]

slaine_:

If it stops locking up, you could have an issue with the card

[14:00:39]

flindet_:

it did lock up during boot once

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slaine_:

I had that before with a loose capacitor

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flindet_:

bummer

[14:01:18]

flindet_:

well, the card is cheap, so I'd be happy if it was that

[14:01:22]

flindet_:

I'll look into it. Thanks

[14:01:22]

slaine_:

Ran fine in the free X driver, what ever the nVidia driver activated on the card, would cause it to lock up

[14:01:47]

slaine_:

Well, I ended up fixing it....with tape :)

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flindet_:

amazing! hahah

[14:02:26]

slaine_:

one leg on the capacitor was cracked, so I just used some tape to keep it in position

[14:02:35]

slaine_:

worked great for years

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slaine_:

Obviously, we don't know whats up with your system

[14:03:56]

slaine_:

The above comments of memtest86+ and cpuburn are very much on the money. If you've a heat problem due to reduced cooling for noise levels, then cpuburn will help spot that. Memtest86 will obviously help spot issues with ram

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slaine_:

lmsensors will be able to give to telemetry on your systems thermal properties at run time.

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v j-rod

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slaine_:

If you see your temp's climb before a lockup then you could have locked the problem.

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Zider:

too bad there's no 3dmark similar program for linux

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slaine_:

There's x11perf isn't there ?

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slaine_:

and glxgears :P

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Zider:

glxgears hardly tests current gpu's properly

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Zider:

and x11perf doesn't test 3D at all

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Zider:

and none of them tests cpu/ram :)

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slaine_:

hence the :P

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Zider:

:P

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Zider:

then there is no similar program

[14:08:18]

Kelerion:

Juski: remember where, off the top of your head, you can change the width of the Channel column in the program guide?

[14:08:22]

Kelerion:

can't find it

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slaine_:

I did think there was some cross platform benchmark that did 3d too.

[14:08:42]

Zider:

slaine_: if you find it, let me know :P

[14:09:18]

slaine_:

Zider, I could be thinking of cross platform in the Windows <-> MacOSX sense though

[14:10:23]

slaine_:

Off the top of my head, Quake 3 demo run or Doom3 demo run or something along those lines would suffice.

[14:11:23]

jontydog:

hi all if I paste something on pastebin can someone take a look and see what is wrong with my mythtv please? its driving me nuts :(

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stuarta:

we will try

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Kelerion:

jontydog: go for it..

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jontydog:

http://pastebin.ca/142497

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jontydog:

I am so nearly there after 4 days of trying to get it running

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Kelerion:

are the recordings actually *in*: var/lib/mythtv//?

[14:12:42]

stuarta:

you aren't trying to watch the BBC HD test mux are you?

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jontydog:

nope I am just trying to get a picture from hotbird

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jontydog:

I haven't recorded anything cos I can't get a picture

[14:13:50]

Kelerion:

you using dvb?

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jontydog:

yep I have a skystar 2

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janneg:

jontydog: mythbackend log from the same period is more informative

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janneg:

i.e. the frontend log has not enough information

[14:15:41]

janneg:

to see the problem

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Zider:

slaine_: quake/doom 3 engine would be nice yes, but I'd like it to automatically run software/hardware rendering with different quality on specific scenes..

[14:16:03]

jontydog:

k will have a look for it

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jontydog:

don't even know if I have logging enabled though

[14:18:01]

jontydog:

very much a n00b with linux

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jontydog:

could it be my nvidia drivers?

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nuonguy:

/nick nuonguy

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jontydog:

janneg: have posted the mythbackend part of konsole on pastebin

[14:31:57]

jontydog:

http://pastebin.ca/142519

[14:32:13]

maniacxs:

jontydog: are you able to create the backend logfile?

[14:32:54]

jontydog:

I can't find a log file so I don't think its set up to log

[14:33:22]

jontydog:

there are a few errors in the konsole part though

[14:34:54]

janneg:

jontydog: I suspect your chnnels aren't correctly set up.

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janneg:

please rerun mythbackend with following option: -v channel,record,siparser

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jontydog:

ok how do I stop it from running?

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maniacxs:

jontydog: <strg>+c

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Kelerion:

ctrl+c

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maniacxs:

ups ;)

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** Kelerion chuckles **

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jontydog:

cheers

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jontydog:

do I need to run it as root or doesn't it matter?

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maniacxs:

jontydog: it depends on the permissions in the tv record dir and the capture card

[14:39:15]

jontydog:

feel like giving up on it at the moment lol

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jontydog:

ok backend is running will try and watch something again

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jontydog:

do you want me to post the konsole output on pastebin?

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stuarta:

yup

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jontydog:

http://pastebin.ca/142537

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jontydog:

there you go

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Kelerion:

that all looks ok to me

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jontydog:

hmm

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jontydog:

could it be a drivers issue then do you think?

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stuarta:

it's not okay

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jontydog:

I have a pentium 4 pc with a geforce FX5200

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stuarta:

there's supposedly 10 opencable video streams present

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TinheadNed:

'lo

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stuarta:

and you are trying to watch Hotbird, which is a dvb-s feed

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jontydog:

hmm

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stuarta:

and thus should have 1 mpeg2 video stream and several audio streams

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stuarta:

try a different channel

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TinheadNed:

is there a short howto up somewhere on how to tune in the free Film4 in the UK that's started now?

[14:49:18]

TinheadNed:

or is it so obvious that I'm missing something/

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stuarta:

TinheadNed: scan 4 channels. watch channels

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jontydog:

stuarta: I don't get the option to try another channel

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TinheadNed:

stuarta: isn't that going to flood my list of channels with loads of others as well though?

[14:50:15]

jontydog:

I choose watch tv and then i get the error

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stuarta:

jontydog: set the starting channel to a valid channel

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stuarta:

TinheadNed: I'd expect you would have most of those already anyway.

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jontydog:

in mythtv-setup?

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TinheadNed:

stuarta: oh okay

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stuarta:

jontydog: yep

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dev:

is svn working today? hehe

[14:53:01]

** stuarta is running it **

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dev:

gonna jump into the pool and upgrade

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stuarta:

dev: good idea. it's effectively 0.20-rc1

[14:53:56]

dev:

i have an issue with mythbackend crashing on my masterbackend and im sick of it sooo figured now is as good a time as any

[14:54:09]

dev:

supposedly its a race condition thats fixed in svn

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dev:

sounds like a good excuse to me to upgrade hehe

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[jasper]:

hej guys, I finally got close to my problem...my pvr 500 driver (cx25840) is indicating 768*576 is not a valid size?

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[jasper]:

is this normal?

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stuarta:

definitely doesn't look like a standard resolution

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Kelerion:

720x576 sounds closer

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stuarta:

or 704x576

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[jasper]:

oh k...that might be the problem :P

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[jasper]:

I put them both on max

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Kelerion:

yup.. I've done that before

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[jasper]:

and that was 768*576 I guess :P

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stuarta:

that deserves a trout....

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stuarta:

!trout [jasper] biggest value I can find

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** MythLogBot slaps [jasper] with a biggest value I can find trout on behalf of stuarta... **

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** stuarta feels better **

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[jasper]:

:p

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[jasper]:

then why the hell is 768 in there stuarta :P

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** stuarta shrugs **

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jontydog:

WOOT WOOT WOOT WOOT

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jontydog:

working at last thanks alot guys

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jontydog:

I put the starting channel on a different number and bingo

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** stuarta cranks up the party music **

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** Kelerion chuckles **

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jontydog:

:) will be able to sleep now lol

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jams:

stuarta- turn the music down jontydog will not be able to sleep

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** stuarta turns the stereo up to 11 :) **

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jams:

haha

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jontydog:

:D

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Kelerion:

guys in the uk.. go to: www.icstis.org.uk

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Kelerion:

and do a number search for: 09066611911

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Kelerion:

I've just got an email about it

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[jasper]:

yes it woks :P

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[jasper]:

720*576 :P

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evilDagmar:

So why should anyone care about scams?

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[jasper]:

for the best quality I should use the standard mpeg2 decoder right?

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Kelerion:

because if you don't realise it's a premium rate number it could cost you a bomb

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[jasper]:

and if I have pal-g input should I have deinterlace playback on or off?

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jontydog:

hmm just hit another problem there is no sound :(

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evilDagmar:

[jasper]: Depends on if you have an nvidia card or not

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dev:

wonder what my chances are that everything will come back up and all will magically work after this upgrade

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dev:

haha

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dev:

id say.........50/50

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stuarta:

80/20

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dev:

yes or no, 1 or 0

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[jasper]:

yes evildagmar

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evilDagmar:

[jasper]: Most of the non-ancient ones that you can use the 8xxx series driver with will actuall deinterlace output to the s-video or composite ports *for* you

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evilDagmar:

It's a setting you can set with the nvidia settings utility called "flicker free" or somesuch

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evilDagmar:

It's very handy

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dev:

nice stuarta, is that a vote of confidense i see!

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[jasper]:

well it looks allright, bt the images are still not like 'normal' tv

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[jasper]:

is that normal?

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[jasper]:

maybe becaues it's digitalised?

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stuarta:

:)

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evilDagmar:

[jasper] Depends on a few things actually. You should probably be using 800x600 resolution *I think* if you're in a PAL region

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[jasper]:

you mean for X?

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[jasper]:

800*600 ?

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gardengnome:

evilDagmar: well, the s-video/composite output is always deinterlaced. unfortunately, the timing of the video frames does not match the timing of the tv encoder chipset, so you will still have interlacing artefacts. a proper modeline can help...

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evilDagmar:

For North America you might as well be using 640x480 output to a TV, although recording at 720x480 incurs a little bit of scaling, it's not a huge issue

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evilDagmar:

gardengnome: Actually with the flicker-free thing I've gotten zero of that. The card seems to do a really good job

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evilDagmar:

I know with the flicker free thing *off* the image does that weird eye-watering wobble up and down

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gardengnome:

evilDagmar: you'll picture sharpness, though.

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gardengnome:

anyways, i gotta go now. ttyl

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evilDagmar:

Well, yeah, the ff thing definitely makes the picture nice and crisp

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gardengnome:

i try to avoid it whenever possible. the bob deinterlacer does a great job for me, combined with xvmc... ok, i'm starying, later ;)

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[jasper]:

hmm I have tv flicker filter

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[jasper]:

is that what you mean?

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evilDagmar:

Yep.

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[jasper]:

that's on 127?

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[jasper]:

it's a slider

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[jasper]:

is that normal?

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evilDagmar:

Run the slider back and forht a bit. You should see a notable difference as you cross the 127/128 mark or thereabouts

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[jasper]:

should I actualy put it on 0 ?

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[jasper]:

or not?

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evilDagmar:

Just remember that youll have to invoke `nvidia-settings -l` before you start the frontend, or nothing you set there will stick beyond a restart of X

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[jasper]:

oh yes, I see he difference :P

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evilDagmar:

[jasper]: Waggle it back and forth until you find the lowest number thta gives a crisp image. (or at least that's what I do with it)

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evilDagmar:

Damn there's another item I should put in the Wiki, too

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[jasper]:

hmm

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[jasper]:

doesn't it safe the value automatically evilDagmar ?

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[jasper]:

because I have nvidia-settings in my .xinitrc

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[jasper]:

so I don't have no console :P

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mlehrer:

when I configure AC3 passthrough to S/PDIF, i get an error like this: WriteAudio: buffer underrun

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mlehrer:

however, mplayer can do it just fine

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mlehrer:

any idea what to try for that?

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lelo_1966:

Question? Doesn anyone how to move livetv recordings into a recorded status? I want to preserve a show I watched lastnight...

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mlehrer:

i've tried all sorts of asound.conf files, and alsa devices. i don't get any sound on the s/pdif at all

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[jasper]:

oh it loks good now evilDagmar :P

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[jasper]:

just 1 more question...every like 30 secs...I see some white (static) lines...(only like 1 ms)

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stuarta:

lelo_1966: think you just move it to a different recording group ?!?!

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lelo_1966:

stuarta: I will give it a shot, thanks!

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[jasper]:

oh btw..is it normal for mythtv to tune very slowly?>

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[jasper]:

when switching channels?

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evilDagmar:

[jasper]: That's two things. One is that the encoder buckets take a moment to fill to start spewing mpg data, and the other is the ringbuffer size.

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evilDagmar:

You can reduce the ringbuffer size a bit in the frontend's setup menus

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[jasper]:

is that wise to do?

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evilDagmar:

It doesnt' really hurt anything

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dev:

oh hrmph

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dev:

im going to need new mythweb for svn arent i

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evilDagmar:

I'm not entirely sure what good it does to have it large or small, but it affects the channel changing time a tiny bit

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evilDagmar:

dev: Now would be a good time to think about writing a script to build packages from the source code

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evilDagmar:

That way you can just eyeball the configure --help output a bit, and then kick your script if it looks sane, instead of having to manually build everything each time

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evilDagmar:

Whether or not you need to upgrade MythWeb is going to be entirely a matter of how complex the db changes might have been

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dev:

i upgraded from 0.19-fixes to it, so, quite a few schema changes

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dev:

there's an svn version of mythweb if i recall

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dev:

2006-08–21 11:38:58.739 MainServer::HandleVersion – Client speaks protocol version 26 but we speak 30!

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dev:

hah yup

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evilDagmar:

doh!

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dev:

oh, nice, its included in plugins

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dev:

sweet

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dev:

masterbackend up, 1 slavebackend up, and 1 frontend up

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dev:

now to see if the frontend works haha

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dev:

nice, livetv works, previous recordings work

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dev:

guess the other frontends and last slavebackend will work fine too

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dev:

yay

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stuarta:

dev: oh yeah of little faith...

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dev:

hope its stable

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dev:

hehee

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dev:

mythweb is noticeable faster

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dev:

noticeably

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dev:

the term 'substancially faster' comes to mind actually

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Merlin83b:

substantially, too ;-)

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stuarta:

Merlin83b: you up to date with svn?

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Merlin83b:

A couple of weeks behind, why?

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stuarta:

we're almost at 0.20-rc1

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Merlin83b:

Felt it coming close :-)

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dev:

there's opengl menus in this now right

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Merlin83b:

I need to rebuild my system to get newer stuff and more disk space. Silly busy at the moment, and out of town for the weekend. I'll probably up to SVN next week.

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jams:

for the main menus

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stuarta:

Merlin83b: no drama

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stevenm:

GreyFoxx, gonna take this off the dev channel now.. I have IVTV 0.7, which was quite recent... and I ahve a 150. Is there some other requirements?

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dev:

wow this thing is much faster

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dev:

long as it stays up for more than a few days at a time this is a must upgrade ;D

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stuarta:

things have been quite busy.... :)

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dev:

i liked how i didnt even have to do anything special

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dev:

it all just worked after the schema updates

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dev:

hopefully commercial flagging still happens automatically and all that

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dev:

but like, it didnt blow away the capture cards or anything which was nice

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Beirdo:

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Beirdo:

stupid-ass segfault

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DrNickRiviera:

am just trying to use the search imdb feature of mythvideo and am getting the error message that xml/simple.pm is missing

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DrNickRiviera:

i've downloaded the file now and am wondering whether i put it in one of the perl directories, or somewhere in myth

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DrNickRiviera:

am using a fairly current svn by the way

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stuarta:

it's a perl module, so you install the relevant package and it'll stick it in the perl paths

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Anduin:

DrNickRiviera: Just comment out the use in the file.

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Anduin:

DrNickRiviera: Latest SVN and that isn't required.

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DrNickRiviera:

ok, works fine now, thanks for the help

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DrNickRiviera:

why isn't the reference removed if it isn't needed then?

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Anduin:

DrNickRiviera: Uh, because whoever maintains that crap sucks.

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stuarta:

later all

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Juski_:

re

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Juski_:

any east yorkshire / Lincolnshire mythtv users here today? I'd like your xmltvids please :)

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antiPrizac:

say I'm in the EPG and I want to jump to a different channel and start watching that channel, can I do this?

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Juski_:

antiPrizac: course you can but by default the select button in the program guide takes you to recording options. the M key will change channels though IIRC

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antiPrizac:

thanks

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Juski_:

short but sweet

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Juski_:

ok then.. xmltvids for oxford or cambridge anybody?

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Juski_:

oh yeh everyone will be work.. like I am.. oops

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Juski_:

hrm I think I might have to find out myself by downloading data for the unknown regions & comparing 'known' programming for that region

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Juski_:

ach well

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Juski_:

exit

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Juski_:

duh

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Kazan:

does SAP work with myth?

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maniacxs:

SAP?

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Juski:

uh-oh

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Juski:

secondary audio channels you mean? or the other 'sap' ?

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Juski:

that'd very much depend on your tv tuner if you mean the former

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dev:

im a sap and it works with me

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Zider:

me too

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Kelerion:

omg.. please don't tell me SAP is getting it's tentacles into myth too!! aaargh! :P

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Zider:

why not?

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Kelerion:

not talking about the audio SAP :)

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Zider:

Session Announcement Protocol

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Kazan:

Juski: yes secondary audio program

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Kelerion:

am on about: http://www.sap.com/index.epx

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Kelerion:

bloody nightmare

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Kazan:

PVR500, and a slaved cable box on a BTTV card

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Kazan:

i'd have to teach the channel change script how to give the SAP swap instruction i guess for slaved

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dev:

i dunno if im into this slowly-delete-stuff-to-save-io thing

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Kazan:

doesn't really matter though.. as far as I can tell i don't get the channel anyway :(

[17:05:53]

Kazan:

(GolTV.. which IIRC is primary spanish, SAP english)

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Kazan:

FSC dropped their bundesliga coverage :( bastards

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Kazan:

dunno if I really give a rats arse about the premiership to watch it during the mls offseason

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Zider:

I didn't understand anything from the last two lines :P

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Kazan:

Fox Soccer Channel dropped their coverage of the Deutsches Bundesliga (German Federal League)

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Zider:

oh sport stuff

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Kazan:

I don't know if i really give a rats ass about the Barclay's English Premier League to watch it during the American Major League Soccer off-season

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Zider:

still don't understand it, but now I know why :D

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Kazan:

heh

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Kazan:

i could get even more esoteric and start bitching about no coverage of international martial arts competitions :D

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topher:

im setting up a mythtv-client on a different computer than the master-backend for the first time and im having some trouble. now, my firewall is open for the backend and i ran mythtv-setup on the frontend and told it the correct ip of the backend, but when i launch mythfrontend it says it cannot connect to backend and i get these messages: 2006-08–21 10:17:26.409 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: 192.168.1.99

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topher:

2006-08–21 10:17:26.672 Connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543 (try 1 of 5)

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topher:

the database mythconverg is the correct ip but why is it looking for the backend server at localhost? that's not where i told it the backend was ....

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topher:

this is mythtv-0.19

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Juski:

topher: myth-101 error ;) the master backend needs to have mythtv-setup run on it & have its setting for master server ip address changed (then restart mythbackend) – also check the backend server ip is set to the same ip – not 127.0.0.1

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topher:

Juski, so the master backend, running on 192.168.1.99, needs to be set to think the backend is at 192.168.1.99 and not use 127.0.0.1 because it shares that ip?

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Juski:

topher: basically yes

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topher:

Juski, oh bugger, that's different. okay, ill give that a try, thanks Juski

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borud:

any recommendations for an USB-based tuner that works well with Linux?

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Juski:

borud: search the v4l dvb wiki over at www.linuxtv.org

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Z_Morek:

I'm thinking of setting up a script to build the source from my mythtv source folder into a deb package, with absolutely no experience in scripting or debian packages, any suggestions?

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Juski:

I'd say get used to building packages by hand first

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Juski:

I'd also say it's time for me to go home. I'll be back to hassle you guys later

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Kelerion:

ok.. does the internal player for mythvideo have any options I can mess with? I can't find any reference

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Z_Morek:

kelerion: there's no readme?

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Kelerion:

doesn't mention it.. more about compiling

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Z_Morek:

kelerion: check out http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythVideo that might help a bit

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Kelerion:

yup.. nothing there either

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Kelerion:

to do with the internal players option

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Z_Morek:

well then I guess I'm no help :-P

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Z_Morek:

afaik the internal player is still developmental and not very mature

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Z_Morek:

but that was a while ago when I tried to use it

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RaYmAn-Bx:

it works pretty well though

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Kelerion:

yup.. works great

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Z_Morek:

yeah, it's been a long time since I tried it

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Kelerion:

am ripping dvd's to iso's.. because the internal player supports menus.. but have a few that are 4:3 so wanna run with the equivalent of mplayers "-zoom"

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RaYmAn-Bx:

I'm still running some fairly old 0.19-fixes version :S and it works fine in that as well..except a few files does make it crash entirely

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Darthy:

hi

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Kelerion:

and I *thought* that xine supported iso's but it just complains...plus I like the consistency of the remote when using the internal player

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Darthy:

is the minimyth 0.19–14 or -15b2 compatible with a svn10883 backend?

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Kelerion:

never tried minimyth so no idea

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Z_Morek:

that's something I'd expect to be somewhere in the mailing list if anywhere else

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Z_Morek:

but I never really figure out how to find stuff in the mailing list....

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Z_Morek:

aside from getting copious mail

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Darthy:

i got also a strange channel ordering problem. in epg i have a channel order like normal: 1..2..3....9..10..11 aso.. but on tv if i want to switch channels it gives me: 1..10..11..12....19..2..20..21..22.. aso.. any ideas whats wrong there? a db problem?

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maniacxs:

Darthy: looks like 'normal' sorting ;)

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Darthy:

numerical order i mean by normal

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poonj:

hey guys....I'm poor right now, and can't afford a big HD. Is it possible for me to install myth on a smaller HD and then use LVM or a form of software RAID to span a new HD with the old one?

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maniacxs:

to the dvb-s zapping problem i mentioned a few hours before now i produced a logfile http://pastebin.ca/142779 i tried to zap from channel 898 to 12003 and back to 898 zapping to 12003 does not work. when zapping to a channel that does not need diseqc zap to every channel works.

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maniacxs:

it was not complete this one is complete: http://pastebin.ca/142793

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sberlin:

hey everyone

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nero_office:

Howdy MBVette.. ;)

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MBVette:

hey hows it going

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MBVette:

ok so Im trying to figure out what I need to put this system together

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MBVette:

I am trying to figure out what barebones system to start with and what I would need from there

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alexotan:

Hi all,

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alexotan:

I've used a webcam to do some tests on mythtv, but I recently changed my cam to a Quickcam model...

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MBVette:

hey alex

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alexotan:

I compiled the driver and it works fine on xawtv (v4linux), but I can't use the cam on mythtv :(

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alexotan:

It appears on "mythtv-setup" window:

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alexotan:

card type: Analog V4L capture card

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alexotan:

probed info: failed t open

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alexotan:

Does anybody know what kind of trouble I have?

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_mac:

hi, how do I set the capture resolution in mythtv?

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GreyFoxx:

In your recording profiles

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_mac:

got it, thanks

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MBVette:

anyone here that can help me setup a new system?

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KyleAnderson:

MBVette: Possibly

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MBVette:

cool thanks man

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KyleAnderson:

Are you stuck at a certain spot?

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MBVette:

I am going to be building from scratch

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MBVette:

no right now Im trying to figure out what components to buy for the computer itself

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KyleAnderson:

Oh

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KyleAnderson:

Step 0

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MBVette:

yes wayyyy back there

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KyleAnderson:

I recommend the pvr250

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MBVette:

so you dont think I should start out with just a barebones computer?

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KyleAnderson:

Well yes, plus a pvr-250

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MBVette:

Im not really looking for a DVR so much as something for DVD playback recording and filtering

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GreyFoxx:

Well, you can get a PVR150 usually much cheaper and get the same abilities as a250

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KyleAnderson:

Then by all means, the 150. But can you install myth without a tv-card? I know at one point you couldn't

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GreyFoxx:

You can

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KyleAnderson:

Ok

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kormoc:

KyleAnderson, it just won't do much at all

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GreyFoxx:

It's just that a lot of it is unused without one :)

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KyleAnderson:

Of course

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MBVette:

so let me step back one more time. What motherboard/chipset/soundcard works best in a linux system

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KyleAnderson:

Actually they all work pretty well, almost any soundcard by analog devices (ad) works

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KyleAnderson:

I know some via chipsets aren't so great

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KyleAnderson:

MBVette, do you have much linux experience?

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Zider:

intel chipset works fine, except it's not hw mixing.. on a mediacenter it doesn't matter tho

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MBVette:

no this would be my 1st time jumping into linux

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KyleAnderson:

It will be fun!

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MBVette:

:)

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MBVette:

so most any barebones system to start off will will be fine?

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Kazan:

i. hate. my. job

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KyleAnderson:

Yea, should fine

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KyleAnderson:

Have you thought about a video card?

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KyleAnderson:

Kazan, what is your job?

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jams:

GreyFoxx- you around?

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Kazan:

i'm doing web software development right now

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KyleAnderson:

Not fun?

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Kazan:

it's something i'm proficient at... but don't enjoy doing

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KyleAnderson:

Ah

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Kazan:

i had writing user interface code... and what is 90% of web development

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Kazan:

s/had/hate

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Kazan:

soon now... soon

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Kazan:

about 4 months until i return to school

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Kazan:

and will be at most a low-workload contractor on this job

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Juski:

evening all

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MBVette:

sorry KyleAnderson I was thinking an Nvidia 6200?

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KyleAnderson:

That is what I have, works great

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MBVette:

my issue right now is that Im looking. My receiver is basically all compenent inputs and the video cards are DVI

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]Jasper[:

hej guys, I'm getting an error when trying mythweb

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]Jasper[:

The database environment variables are not correctly set in the included .htaccess file. Please read through the comments included in the file and set up the db_* environment variables correctly.

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Juski:

]Jasper[: so.. have you?

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]Jasper[:

well Juski

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]Jasper[:

I didn't change anything on the settings as far as I know

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]Jasper[:

with username/password for the db

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]Jasper[:

it's just mythtv/mythtv

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Juski:

you don't get it

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]Jasper[:

don't get what?

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]Jasper[:

Juski ?

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Juski:

the error message gave you a plain text description of what is wrong. I can't say more than that

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]Jasper[:

ok juski, I tried .htaccess...I looked if mod_env was there and changed the allowoverride

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]Jasper[:

gahhhh, I've been changing /etc/apache/httpd.conf instead of apache2

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]Jasper[:

getting another error now Juski :P it reports my backend aint working, but it is :P

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]Jasper[:

oh that's nice..I changed my hostname, and suddenly whole mythbackend forgot its settings

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Kazan:

ha

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Kazan:

i forgot how HARD it is to understand my grandmaster sometimes :(

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Kazan:

wasn't able to practice martial arts while i've been away from university, sent him an email today asking him if i could start coming back to his class, before I started ISU classes again

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Kazan:

and got an email from him that I could barely understand :D

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Juski:

]Jasper[: don't change your fricken hostname!

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Juski:

change it back

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]Jasper[:

why juski?

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Juski:

WHY?! you mean apart from the fact that all the settings, even the backend's – are stored , referenced to the machines HOSTNAME

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]Jasper[:

my hostname was stil on localhost, so I had to change it at some point

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]Jasper[:

:P

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]Jasper[:

but Juski why reference smething to a possible changing factor?

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Juski:

oh ffs Jasp. the hostname of a box shouldn't change in ideal conditions

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Juski:

it certainly shouldn't be changed on a whim

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robbins876:

Hello, i'm in the setup process where you do the video source thing

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robbins876:

and it says XMLTV listings grabber

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robbins876:

what is DataDirect? Where do I sign up for it? Can I just use my zap2it l/p? are they the same thing?

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Juski:

yes

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robbins876:

alright cool

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Juski:

it stopped saying datadirect a while ago I think.. which version are you running there?

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robbins876:

i have no clue

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robbins876:

i just used yum to grab the files and this is what it gave me

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Juski:

ah prolly 0.19 then – and I might well be mistaken

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Juski:

anyhow datadirect / zap2it – same thing AFAIK

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Anduin:

They are, and yeah atrpms has 0.19 (with -fixes)

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robbins876:

cool

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robbins876:

do i need to perform the EIT scan?

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Juski:

only for hdtv cards

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Juski:

and dvb.. but that's not your concern

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robbins876:

alright, well, i just imported my zap2it thing

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robbins876:

the guide i'm reading is kind of vague

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KyleAnderson:

http://labs.zap2it.com/ if you havn't registered

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robbins876:

should i go ahead and finish the setup here in myth before i do anything else?

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robbins876:

the last 2 steps, i mean

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robbins876:

uh oh, i've got a problem

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KyleAnderson:

I would make sure that you are recieving program info before continuing

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robbins876:

it says [V4L: /dev/video0] (Tuner 1)->(None)

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robbins876:

is my tv card not functioning?

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]Jasper[:

well juski, I didnt change it on a whim, you see, I wanted mythweb, which needed apache, apache and hostname localhost is no good combination

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]Jasper[:

that's why I changd it

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Anduin:

]Jasper[: It is rather easy to type in the SQL to update the settings table.

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robbins876:

how do i check to see if i'm recieving program info?

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]Jasper[:

Anduin I allready filled in all the stuff for the new hostname

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]Jasper[:

it was no problem, I just wondered why th backend stopped working :P

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robbins876:

i'm just getting black screen when i go to live tv

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robbins876:

any ideas why?

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robbins876:

anyone?

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Anduin:

robbins876: Could be several things, is it black but keeps playing or is it black then kicks you back to the menu?

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robbins876:

black and keeps playing

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Anduin:

robbins876: Which capture card?

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robbins876:

hauppauge pvr-150

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Anduin:

robbins876: You set the card type wrong in setup, you want the mpeg2 hardware (not the V4L), if that is right, then you probably configured the wrong input.

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robbins876:

ok, so in mythtv setup?

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robbins876:

or somewhere in the command line stuff that took hours to figure out? ;)

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Anduin:

robbins876: no, back in the setup

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robbins876:

alright

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robbins876:

it says that mythbackend is runing

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robbins876:

how do i shut it down?

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Juski:

depends on your install but usually something like /etc/init.d/mythbackend stop

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Kazan:

wtfh is going on with my mythbox :/

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robbins876:

says failed

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robbins876:

what the dick

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Anduin:

robbins876: just kill it

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robbins876:

oh, it was already stopped... duh

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Kazan:

wtfh.. shouldn't i be able to traceroute passed my cablemodem router

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Kazan:

i can connect in.. today it's very unstable for some reason

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Kazan:

cannot get a nice connection in yum to save my life to update yum

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Kazan:

just locks up

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robbins876:

it only finds channels 7–13... weird

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Anduin:

robbins876: Don't use the analog channel scan

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Anduin:

robbins876: As you've already done so, I'd clear the channel table and this time only download your listing data (no channel scan)

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robbins876:

so use the import from source or whatever?

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robbins876:

it's doing that now, but it looks frozen

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Juski:

import from source? what?

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Juski:

are you just like trying random stuff now?

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robbins876:

uhh... where it says scan for channels or import from source

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robbins876:

i assume that's from the zap2it thing

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robbins876:

no

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robbins876:

?

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Juski:

nope

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Juski:

you need to be following a howto guide man

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Anduin:

The new GUI stuff just makes things harder

[20:07:36]

robbins876:

oh, well then it's probably really frozen then

[20:07:46]

robbins876:

i did follow the how to

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Juski:

Anduin: for some people it does yes

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robbins876:

it's extrememly vague once the program is up and running

[20:08:08]

Juski:

Anduin: work is afoot to begin wizard-ising :)

[20:08:33]

Juski:

a small step, but a very necessary one

[20:08:43]

robbins876:

how do i kill myth from the terminal?

[20:09:26]

robbins876:

it mysteriously unfroze

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Juski:

robbins876: which howto are you following? jarod wilson's ?

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xris:

robbins876: man kill, man ps, man killall

[20:10:15]

Juski:

and which step tells you to scan for channels?

[20:10:38]

Juski:

scanning really only applies to digital TV cards (HDTV & DVB)

[20:10:42]

robbins876:

yeah, wilson's

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robbins876:

i got that part working i think, i'm trying to exit the setup but it tells me that the start channel is set to 10 and that channel doesn't exist

[20:11:12]

robbins876:

is that in input connections?

[20:11:18]

Juski:

yup

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robbins876:

alright

[20:12:28]

robbins876:

i changed it, but it still says is set to 10

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Juski:

you need to go all the way through to 'finish' on most setup menu screens

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robbins876:

alright

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robbins876:

i've got the live tv up

[20:14:58]

robbins876:

but it's only pulling in some channels and they are extremely staticy

[20:15:10]

robbins876:

i can tell this is QVC, so it's not broadcast

[20:16:15]

robbins876:

and the TV guide channel

[20:16:17]

robbins876:

hmm...

[20:16:22]

robbins876:

and i'm getting now sound

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robbins876:

no sound

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Juski:

hrm.. another candidate who jumped into myth without testing the hardware

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Kazan:

?

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psofa:

Juski, scanning also works in ivtv cards

[20:25:06]

Juski:

yeah but can't be relied upon – that's what I've heard

[20:25:29]

Juski:

anyway the drill is to test the hardware outside of mythtv first, so you know what's up when stuff is wrong

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robbins876:

what do you mean?

[20:25:59]

robbins876:

my card worked in windows

[20:26:02]

robbins876:

pvr-150

[20:26:05]

robbins876:

pretty popular card

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robbins876:

and i get sound outside of myth just fine

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kormoc:

robbins876, the card working in windows has no bearing here

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Juski:

make sure the linux driver works, with the right module options, blah blah...

[20:27:53]

kormoc:

robbins876, and newer 150's use a samsung tuner which isn't supported under linux, so saying it's a popular card doesn't mean too much :P

[20:28:03]

Juski:

anyway a big howto step has been skipped either way you look at it

[20:28:20]

Juski:

kormoc: the 'samsung tuner issue' has allegedly been fixed

[20:28:31]

kormoc:

Juski, ooh? that's great to hear

[20:28:41]

kormoc:

robbins876, and sound under linux is really ticky. if you don't have a very well supported sound card with a hardware mixer, you can fight for days to get it happy

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psofa:

kormoc, by isnt supported under linux you mean doesnt work at all?

[20:28:58]

psofa:

because my pvr 150 has huge reception issues

[20:29:05]

kormoc:

psofa, well, up until the fix, yeah

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robbins876:

psofa> you have no luck with pvr150 either?

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Kazan:

turtle beach sounds cards are pretty good

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Anduin:

robbins876: You can also try a different cable frequency table (assuming the tuner is working fine). No sound with a poor signal should be expected.

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antiPosix:

for some reason mythtv doesnt seem to be cleaning up /mnt/store....

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antiPosix:

hrmm.. I wonder if I have created the dir as root

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antiPosix:

what happens if I go in there by hand and remove the .nuv files

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Juski:

antiPosix: no!

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Juski:

antiPosix: livetv recordings will be automagically expired (deleted) after 24 hours by default or when space requirements dictate

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antiPosix:

nice

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antiPosix:

my mythtv box is currently not connected to a network, any way to determine when the program info will expire?

[20:47:19]

antiPosix:

well, not expire. but run out of info

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kormoc:

antiPosix, check the status page in mythfrotnend?

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Juski:

it'll tell you on the status page in 'information centre'

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kormoc:

it should be somewhere in there

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Juski:

yey.. projectgrayhem-2.0 is finished bar testing

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Kazan:

freaking mediacom POS internet service

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Kazan:

ooh great... i think i know what is going on... they have some sort of routing loop i think... oui .. mensch!!

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robbins876:

think i'd have better luck with my old ATI Tv-wonder than i would with this hauppauge pvr-150?

[20:54:48]

Kazan:

no

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Kazan:

PVR-150 = hardware mpeg2

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Kazan:

TV-wonder = bttv... if functional at all

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Kazan:

you shouldn't be having problems with a PVR-150

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Kazan:

are you using ivtv-latest

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Juski:

time to do.. something else instead

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kormoc:

robbins876, not with sound

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kormoc:

robbins876, sound on bttv cards like the tv wonder (if it works) is a much bigger pain then with a 150

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Juski:

not to mention the sheer crappyness.. but anyway I'm orf for a while

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** Kazan shoots bttv **

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robbins876:

i'm using ivtv's latest

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** Kazan nukes cablelabs **

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robbins876:

but i'm still getting really staticy video on liveTV and no sound

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Kazan:

ivtv .4.x, .6.x or .7.0?

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robbins876:

0.7.0

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Kazan:

try using a .16 kernel and .6.x

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robbins876:

i don't have a .16 kernel

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robbins876:

just 2.6.17–1.2174_FC5 i686 and 2.6.17–1.2157_FC5 i686

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Anduin:

robbins876: Make sure the ivtv tuner is right, and/or try other frequency tables.

[21:01:49]

robbins876:

how do i change the frequency tables, that's what it looks like is wrong

[21:02:06]

robbins876:

like when you tune to 93.1 instead of 93.3 on the radio, or something

[21:02:07]

kormoc:

mythtv-setup

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Anduin:

robbins876: Back in mythtv-setup

[21:02:18]

robbins876:

which part is it in?

[21:02:43]

Anduin:

robbins876: It isn't hard to find (I don't remember)

[21:02:52]

robbins876:

is it labled as frequency table?

[21:03:18]

Anduin:

robbins876: something like that, you probably have us-cable there now

[21:03:33]

robbins876:

i found it

[21:03:42]

robbins876:

no, it was on default before, should i try us-cable?

[21:04:44]

Anduin:

robbins876: I think default means use global, which should be us-cable, but sure, then try others.

[21:05:05]

robbins876:

what would be some others to try?

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Anduin:

robbins876: hrc, irc

[21:06:39]

robbins876:

alright

[21:06:46]

robbins876:

it's still telling me that it's set to start on channel 10

[21:06:52]

robbins876:

but i've changed it to 3 a thousand times now

[21:06:58]

robbins876:

and when i open the setup thing it's set to 3

[21:07:01]

robbins876:

what the hell?

[21:07:11]

Anduin:

robbins876: Sounds like you have multiple entries for the same card in the DB

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kormoc:

yeah...

[21:07:52]

robbins876:

how do i fix it?

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kormoc:

robbins876, easiest way would be to restart the database from scratch

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robbins876:

how do i do such a thing?

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Anduin:

robbins876: or delete your cards

[21:08:37]

robbins876:

alright, delete the card and start over

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exodist:

I network error that is now fixed resulted in me doing some bad diagnosing that culminated in mysql> drop table programs.

[21:08:59]

Anduin:

robbins876: I think there is a more global "delete my cards and channels" option, use that.

[21:09:06]

exodist:

now I need that table back, and I do not want to scratch the entire database

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kormoc:

exodist, this is why you *backup* the db before doing things like that

[21:09:38]

exodist:

if I only had the description of the programs table I could do it, but I cannot find it on google or the wiki.

[21:09:41]

Anduin:

exodist: restore the create table from your backup

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kormoc:

exodist, you need to fine someone with exactly the same version of mythbackend that you do

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kormoc:

*find

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exodist:

I have no backup because I only learned mysql last week, and never thought to backup my mythtv database

[21:11:04]

exodist:

I admit to the stupidity of what I did.

[21:12:15]

exodist:

my mythtv version is: 0.19 it is followed by _p9163 according to my gentoo emerge command. if anyone with this version would be wiklling to message me the description of the table I would be very thankful.

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Anduin:

exodist: You can run through the DB setup steps (mc.sql) but change the database name, then edit your mysql.txt file to point to the new DB, then start the backend, then hope you did everything just right, then change back, etc.

[21:13:31]

robbins876:

alright, now when i cleck live tv, the screen flashes a black screen then goes back to the menu

[21:13:33]

robbins876:

what the f

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Anduin:

robbins876: probably no program info, did you forget that this time?

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Kazan:

robbins876: as for not having a .16 kernel.... get one

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robbins876:

i think i did

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robbins876:

how do yo uget an old kernel?

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Anduin:

robbins876: A look at the backend log would confirm.

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Kazan:

robbins876: what distro

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Anduin:

Kazan: FC5

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robbins876:

correct

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Kazan:

................... you uninstalled your previous kernel when you upgraded

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Kazan:

i keep atleast the last four kernels

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robbins876:

Like i said, i just have 2.6.17–1.2174_FC5 i686 and 2.6.17–1.2157_FC5 i686

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robbins876:

i just started using linux about 6 weeks ago

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Kazan:

rpm -qa | grep kernel

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Anduin:

Kazan: Unless someone changes it FC keeps only the current and last kernel.

[21:18:44]

Kazan:

they must have changed that between FC4 and FC5

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Kazan:

because FC4 would keep an infinite number of old kernels

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Anduin:

They did.

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robbins876:

alright, i got video back, but it's still just static

[21:19:12]

Kazan:

and i haven't yum updated my myth box in a long time

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robbins876:

and some crap

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robbins876:

ellen and qvc are all i can pick out

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Kazan:

(and when I do i will yum update --exclude=kernel)

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Anduin:

robbins876: Which frequency table?

[21:19:46]

Kazan:

yum install kernek-2.6.16–1.2080_FC5

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robbins876:

all of them

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Kazan:

erg kernel...

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robbins876:

bcast, irc, hrc

[21:20:13]

Kazan:

yum install kernel-2.6.16–1.2080_FC5 and kernel-devel-2.6.16–1.2080_FC5

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Anduin:

robbins876: put the ivtv section of dmesg on a paste site

[21:20:30]

Kazan:

can you tune in tvtime/xine/mplayer/whatever

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Kazan:

and that's why newbs should never setup HTPCs :P

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robbins876:

oops

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Kazan:

heh

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robbins876:

you can tune in xine?

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Kazan:

i believe xine has tv input support

[21:21:55]

robbins876:

all i want to do is watch TV

[21:22:01]

robbins876:

is there an easier app to do that than myth?

[21:22:10]

robbins876:

i have a tivo in my living room, i just want to watch TV

[21:22:18]

robbins876:

i didn't know there were other options outside of myth

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Kazan:

if you _just_ want to watch TV you shouldn't be using myth

[21:22:46]

Kazan:

mythTV is the BMW of TV applications for linux

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robbins876:

what should i be using?

[21:22:56]

robbins876:

what's the toyota of tv apps?

[21:23:15]

Kazan:

to just watch TV without an interactive EPG, recording capability, pause-livetv, etc you should be using something like tvtime, mplayer, xine, etc

[21:24:05]

robbins876:

it probably will still give me the same problems as myth, i would imagine

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Anduin:

When did tvtime get mpeg support?

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Kazan:

it's much easier to setup

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robbins876:

so i should check out tvtime?

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Kazan:

infact tvtime/mplayer/xine are programs you should be using to debug your hardware before you attempt mythtv setup

[21:25:36]

robbins876:

and mplayer won't open

[21:25:39]

robbins876:

i can't figure it out

[21:25:47]

Kazan:

do you have it installed :P

[21:25:55]

Kazan:

Anduin: dunno if it even has it – i just listed it because it's a tvapp

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robbins876:

pretty sure i do

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Kazan:

rpm -qa | grep mplayer

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robbins876:

it found a bunch of stuff

[21:26:23]

robbins876:

so i think it's installed

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Kazan:

open a console and type mplayer

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Kazan:

see what it's output spew is

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robbins876:

usually i type gmplayer

[21:27:06]

robbins876:

and it loads it up

[21:27:08]

robbins876:

but it doesn't now

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Kazan:

ah

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Kazan:

gnome

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Kazan:

eww

[21:27:31]

Kazan:

gross

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Kazan:

then use gmplayer

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Kazan:

same program, different GUI

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robbins876:

it won't load it

[21:28:05]

robbins876:

i'm in KDE

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robbins876:

it won't load any mplayer apps

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Kazan:

got xine installed?

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robbins876:

yeah

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robbins876:

i do

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Kazan:

http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Troubleshooting

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Kazan:

Use "cat /dev/videoX > test.mpg" to test. Use ivtv-tune to change channels and ivtvctl to change input.

[21:30:05]

Kazan:

If you have a Via motherboard, particularly with the KT266–400 chipset, see Via motherboard problems

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Kazan:

and pastebin dmesg | grep ivtv

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robbins876:

where does it save that test.mpg to?

[21:33:06]

Kazan:

your current directory

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robbins876:

found it

[21:33:19]

robbins876:

it's got video in it

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Kazan:

clean video?

[21:33:31]

Kazan:

(ie it was tuned to a channel)

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robbins876:

it looks a bit cleaner than what was in myth, but still has static

[21:33:41]

exodist:

Anduin: I did a variation of your suggestion, I moved the mythconverg directroy from ym mysql directory (after shutting down mysql and mythtv of course) then re-built the database and ran mythtv-setup, then copied the program.* fils from the new one to the old one, turned off mysql again, moverd the odl data back with the program.* files, fixed permissions and now mythfilldatabase works again.

[21:33:47]

Kazan:

video static or audio?

[21:33:56]

robbins876:

no audio at all, just video static

[21:34:08]

Kazan:

A) are you sure the audio problem isn't your soundcard

[21:34:16]

Kazan:

B) are you sure your cable signal isn't weak

[21:34:19]

robbins876:

well, i get audio in linux

[21:34:27]

Anduin:

exodist: Hmm, I wouldn't have moved the files, mysqldump can dump the create table, but whatever works for you.

[21:34:31]

robbins876:

when i ran snapstream in windows my cable looked fine

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Kazan:

k

[21:34:53]

Kazan:

different ivtv drivers different tweeks

[21:35:13]

Kazan:

windows may have been doing a (cpu) expensive denoising

[21:35:30]

Kazan:

most of this stuff is stuff you need to be in the ivtv troubleshooting documentation about

[21:35:34]

exodist:

Anduin: unfortunately my mysql knowledge is limited, I read a book that gave me a lot of info, now I am working on experience cause books and classes only give you basic scenario's I am making a website to teach myself, but it is slow going.

[21:35:45]

Kazan:

and pastebin a dmesg | grep ivtv!

[21:36:02]

robbins876:

wow, my soundcard is fucked

[21:36:07]

Kazan:

?

[21:36:12]

robbins876:

it's not working at all now

[21:36:13]

Kazan:

sound not working at all now?

[21:36:21]

Kazan:

heh... *cough*check the mixer*cough*

[21:36:31]

robbins876:

yeah, the mixer is different than usual too

[21:36:37]

Kazan:

hrm

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Kazan:

wrong driver loaded?

[21:36:50]

fysa:

Can you tweak a PVR-500s capture/encoding with ivtv? Stuff like DNR?

[21:37:24]

robbins876:

yeah, it was... got it working ow

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kormoc:

fysa, check out ivtvctl

[21:37:35]

poonj:

hey guys

[21:37:41]

poonj:

do you all have LVM setup?

[21:37:46]

Kazan:

i do

[21:37:57]

kormoc:

poonj, I do

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poonj:

so when you need more space..

[21:38:06]

poonj:

you guys just add a new HD and expand the volume?

[21:38:10]

Kazan:

i just would create a new physical volume and add it

[21:38:11]

poonj:

does it work well?

[21:38:15]

kormoc:

yeah

[21:38:21]

Kazan:

never done it myself... yet

[21:38:22]

kormoc:

for the most part

[21:38:30]

Kazan:

infact i need to replace my first drive in my LVM

[21:38:32]

poonj:

okat..because I have 3 hard drives..

[21:38:33]

Kazan:

it's beginning to fail

[21:38:33]

fysa:

I've expanded from 3 to 7 drives in a RAID5 array.

[21:38:38]

poonj:

that I want to span together using LVN

[21:38:39]

fysa:

using mdadm

[21:38:45]

poonj:

And then possibly add more

[21:38:47]

kormoc:

fysa, that's not really LVM tho :P

[21:38:48]

poonj:

wait..

[21:38:54]

poonj:

you can setup a software RAID

[21:38:55]

fysa:

LVM-on-MD RAID5.

[21:39:00]

Kazan:

growing RAID5... youch

[21:39:02]

poonj:

and then add to the raid?

[21:39:09]

poonj:

I thought that wasn't possible

[21:39:12]

Sebulba02:

That's gotta be painful.

[21:39:16]

Kazan:

yeah

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fysa:

not anymore..

[21:39:25]

fysa:

recent updates to mdadm make it cake.

[21:39:29]

** Kazan has mord-sith flashbacks.... poor richard **

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kormoc:

poonj, software raid is getting much nicer lately

[21:39:48]

fysa:

one command line. it's crash-recoverable and the resize happens near instantly, online.

[21:39:51]

Kazan:

( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mord'Sith )

[21:40:05]

fysa:

and then 900 minutes to sync. :P

[21:40:15]

fysa:

keep in mind this was going from 640gb to 1.9tb.

[21:40:46]

Sebulba02:

you've got a 1.9tb raid5?

[21:41:17]

fysa:

yeah, in software and using two $20 4-port SATA cards.

[21:41:22]

poonj:

wait

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poonj:

so you can expand a RAID 5?

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fysa:

yes, you can expand a RAID-5 now using mdadm.

[21:41:48]

poonj:

wow..

[21:41:52]

fysa:

you can add a drive to it..

[21:41:54]

fysa:

and then you expand LVM

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poonj:

what about a stripe?

[21:42:04]

fysa:

and then remount your fs with the -grow option.

[21:42:04]

poonj:

RAID 1+0?

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fysa:

it restripes it.

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fysa:

with RAID5, you can always lose one drive. lose two and you will likely lose data.

[21:42:30]

fysa:

RAID6, you can lose two drives before losing data.

[21:42:38]

fysa:

hopefully we'll ahve a RAID5 -> RAID6 conversion soon.

[21:42:47]

poonj:

man...is there a howto on all of this stuff?

[21:42:53]

Kazan:

don't you have to have all drives the same size though?

[21:42:59]

fysa:

not necessarily.

[21:43:01]

fysa:

here's what I do --

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fysa:

I have 320GB drives

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fysa:

I create a 300GB partition and a 20GB partition on each

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Sebulba02:

just have to be the same partition size

[21:43:30]

Kazan:

oh right.. software raid

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exodist:

there is now a programming gap between now and 2 days from now, It is probably sue to my deleting and re-creating the program mysql table. any idea how I can fill in this gap?

[21:43:34]

fysa:

the 20GB partitions go into a second RAID.

[21:43:45]

fysa:

so if I ever add a 300GB drive, the 300GB-based RAID5 will grow but the 20GB-based won't.

[21:43:47]

kormoc:

exodist, see mythfilldatabase --help

[21:43:47]

Kazan:

exodist: run mythfilldb?

[21:43:56]

kormoc:

exodist, namely the refersh-all parm

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exodist:

I ram mythfilldatabase, I will check the help

[21:44:03]

exodist:

ok, thank you

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fysa:

then I take the 20GB partitions and RAID0/RAID1 them for the OS and such.

[21:44:16]

Kazan:

it's 4:44... and i'm bored

[21:44:21]

Kazan:

ah

[21:44:29]

Kazan:

i'll stick with LVMing storage volumes only

[21:44:31]

fysa:

for anything that I want super-redundency for.

[21:44:36]

fysa:

then I LVM on top of that..

[21:44:39]

fysa:

and jfs on top of the LVM.

[21:44:46]

Kazan:

my mythbox has 15GB system/DB, 80GBx2 video storage LVM

[21:44:50]

Kazan:

jfs... ew

[21:45:00]

fysa:

was using xfs but it crapped out on me a couple of times.

[21:45:06]

kormoc:

seems a bit over complicated, but fair nuff

[21:45:12]

Kazan:

doesn't jfs suffer from the same problem of reiserFS – lockups/crash from active corrupts the file table

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kormoc:

fysa, that's why I use ext3! :P

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Kazan:

ext3 ftw

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kormoc:

Kazan, yes, it does, but not nearly to the same extent and it actually has a few tools to help fix it

[21:45:41]

fysa:

ext3 is way too slow at fscking 1.9tb

[21:46:10]

fysa:

it's not really that complicated. mdadm, LVM, jfs — all are just single-line commands.

[21:46:12]

kormoc:

fysa, ooh? doesn't seem to be here, about 10 minutes for a 1tb fsck or so

[21:46:29]

kormoc:

fysa, just the 320 being split up like that

[21:46:33]

fysa:

kormoc: Sorry, that was just heresy.

[21:46:57]

fysa:

I researched and read as much about the different filesystems as I could and used xfs for a year before losing random data..

[21:47:01]

fysa:

so now I'm giving jfs a shot.

[21:47:03]

fysa:

http://www.void.gr/kargig/blog/2004/09/24/rai . . . esize-howto/

[21:47:05]

kormoc:

I'll grant you that ext3 sucks for delete times, but I'm happy to give it time to delete in exchange for greater stability :)

[21:47:18]

fysa:

wait. that's old.

[21:47:21]

fysa:

don't follow that.

[21:47:43]

fysa:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/LVM_on_RAID

[21:47:47]

poonj:

fysa, where can I get information on this stuff?

[21:47:51]

fysa:

that's a good starter.

[21:48:29]

fysa:

http://neil.brown.name/blog/mdadm

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kormoc:

poonj, imho, I would recommend against making multiple partitions on a single drive and raiding them, it makes it much harder to recover from in the event of a major issue, but again, the chances of that are slim.

[21:48:38]

fysa:

this is the current mdadm maintainer..

[21:48:53]

fysa:

yes, no reason to use RAID on a single drive.

[21:49:06]

fysa:

I don't know if I'd even bother with it on just two drives.

[21:49:19]

kormoc:

ooh, I do, mirroring for the win! :P

[21:49:20]

fysa:

you could probably still stick with just LVM for that.

[21:49:21]

poonj:

I just want to span

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kormoc:

but important data and such

[21:49:29]

poonj:

I hav 2 60GB and 1 80GB HD

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kormoc:

poonj, in that case, lvm would likey be enough for you

[21:49:38]

Sebulba02:

that's not even a RAID, it's not redundant, nor an array, it is inexpensive, and it is a drive

[21:49:38]

poonj:

I'll probably just use LVM

[21:49:39]

fysa:

if you just want to span for your myth recording data.

[21:49:44]

poonj:

yeah

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poonj:

this is for myth

[21:49:59]

poonj:

but I'll check out the RAID stuff

[21:50:09]

poonj:

how is the performance of your RAID 5 setup

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fysa:

once you get to 5–6+ drives in a single machine, you will begin to get to the point where one will die each year.

[21:50:29]

poonj:

is it comparable to a hardware raid setup?

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kormoc:

poonj, keep in mind, software raid 5 will use the cpu, and raid 5 is always slow for writing.

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fysa:

80–120 MB/sec reads and writes.

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poonj:

thats not TOO bad

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Sebulba02:

one year? that's rough

[21:50:54]

** kormoc blinks **

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Sebulba02:

one a year*

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kormoc:

fysa, read and write the same speed with a raid 5?

[21:51:11]

poonj:

fysa, thats pretty pessimiti

[21:51:41]

fysa:

kormoc: nearly, yes. The best thing you can do is either get PCI-Express SATA or a board (like the DFI Ultra) with many on-chipset SATA ports.

[21:51:52]

kormoc:

fysa, what drives?

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fysa:

WD3200JD

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fysa:

$99 320GB drives..

[21:52:13]

poonj:

fysa, thats not bad

[21:52:16]

fysa:

out of 7 or 8, I've had to RMA 2–3 — but the replacements have been solid

[21:52:27]

fysa:

if they fail, it's usually within a few months..

[21:52:36]

poonj:

what kind of PS do you have?

[21:52:39]

poonj:

600W?

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fysa:

I think it's heat related.

[21:52:46]

kormoc:

fysa, that's amazing, as we don't see anything near that with 3ware sata 2 cards and sata 2 drives

[21:52:47]

fysa:

550W

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Sebulba02:

more 120mm fans!

[21:52:53]

fysa:

kormoc: Are they PCI?

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poonj:

man

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kormoc:

fysa, pci-x

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poonj:

what kind of SATA cards do you use?

[21:53:23]

fysa:

kormoc: This was with the onboard NForce4 SATA-2 and xfs.

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fysa:

and time dd

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Sebulba02:

the nforce4 chipset works now?

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fysa:

I've since moved the array into an older machine and am currently using PCI SATA cards.

[21:54:10]

Sebulba02:

I tried it last year, to have to throw it out so I could use my server to it's fullest.

[21:54:11]

kormoc:

fysa, with a 3ware 9500s-8, we get about 37 MB/s read, 71 MB/s write

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fysa:

so performance has dropped

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fysa:

kormoc: how many drives?

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kormoc:

fysa, 5

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fysa:

that's pretty bad.

[21:55:12]

fysa:

my current file server is a Athlon 2100 underclocked to 1GHz permanently..

[21:55:18]

kormoc:

yeah, but even with software raid, we still didn't get better numbers

[21:55:20]

fysa:

and hdparm -Tt /dev/md0 gives me 48.75MB/sec reads

[21:55:40]

** Sebulba02 .oO( underclocked? ) **

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kormoc:

Sebulba02, my webserver is underclocked :P

[21:55:57]

fysa:

it's in a closet..

[21:55:58]

kormoc:

well, my at home one is :P

[21:56:03]

fysa:

trying to keep things cool. :P

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Sebulba02:

hah

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poonj:

man

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poonj:

that is insane

[21:56:20]

poonj:

how much video do you record?!

[21:56:40]

fysa:

lots of HD stuff

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Sebulba02:

I don't think my dual opterons get that hot, though I doubt there's much more I could do to keep them cool

[21:56:50]

kormoc:

fysa, you see, raid 5 is considered the slowest of the raids, and the only reason to use it is for purely data safty, hence my wondering at your speeds

[21:57:03]

poonj:

kormoc, stripe and span

[21:57:05]

poonj:

:)

[21:57:12]

poonj:

but you risk losing data

[21:57:30]

poonj:

but man, having that many HDs

[21:57:43]

poonj:

the case and power supply have to be top of the line

[21:57:49]

poonj:

need maximum airflow

[21:57:54]

poonj:

and power to not screw anything up

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kormoc:

poonj, pc power and cooling my friend

[21:58:29]

kormoc:

poonj, http://www.pcpowercooling.com/products/viewpr . . . show=TC1KW4E

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MBVette:

hey guys question about the video card I should get

[21:58:48]

MBVette:

the PVR-250 is nice but its only coaxial or s-video

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kormoc:

poonj, 1000 watt power supply, supports 15 drives

[21:59:01]

poonj:

thats pretty harsh on the power bill

[21:59:01]

poonj:

heh

[21:59:38]

Sebulba02:

yeah, that would be..

[21:59:53]

kormoc:

meh, not really any more then normal. it will only draw what it needs

[22:00:15]

Sebulba02:

That's close to $60/mo on my calculations based off a 500W

[22:00:57]

kormoc:

well, then there's the whole thing of, running a power supply at less then it's rated for tends to allow it to run more efficient.

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kormoc:

so running a 400 wat computer off of a 600 watt power supply is cheaper then off of a 400 watt power supply

[22:01:29]

kormoc:

tho, I doubt if the savings would be noticable

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fysa:

kormoc: The best thing you can do is a get a board with integrated

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fysa:

er

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fysa:

kormoc: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813136152

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kormoc:

fysa, I doubt that would really work for the larger raid sets :P

[22:03:05]

fysa:

This is the board that gave me 80MB/s writes and 100MB/s reads.

[22:03:14]

fysa:

Yeah, that was just four disks..

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kormoc:

esp when some of our servers ship with 24 disk raid arrays

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fysa:

After switching to the new setup, with two 4-port SATA PCI cards, I'm at about 45MB/sec each for reads and writes.

[22:04:35]

kormoc:

I'm still confused at the same speed for reads and writes. that's just really confusing

[22:04:57]

fysa:

well, not when you look at it as being bus limited.

[22:05:08]

fysa:

XOR doesn't take too much CPU.

[22:05:36]

fysa:

If you're doing XOR on a dedicated chip, you can never go faster than that chip can XOR.

[22:05:36]

kormoc:

parity calculation does take up quite a bit

[22:05:47]

kormoc:

which is why the conroe's suck with software raid 5

[22:05:48]

fysa:

I get a big speed hit when I have a drive out.

[22:06:28]

kormoc:

they only have a single bit shift per cycle, compared to amd's 2 and the previous intels, so it's a good 65% speed drop in a raid 5 config.

[22:06:29]

fysa:

But I doubt a dedicated chip can XOR faster than an Athlon 64 3200+.

[22:06:46]

kormoc:

actually, they can, that's the entire point.

[22:06:51]

kormoc:

(in theory)

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dasOp:

in practice, it doesnt happen

[22:07:29]

kormoc:

that's why you spend $1000 on a card :P

[22:07:40]

kormoc:

dasOp, a lot of people buy into it

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dasOp:

sure, I'd never run my servers at work on sw raid, other than os installations

[22:08:08]

kormoc:

the same thing can be said about video cards, how can a $50 video card calculate floating point numbers faster then a A64 3200+?

[22:08:14]

dasOp:

but mainly cause I like the write cache and the battery for it

[22:08:43]

dasOp:

usually though, other things than raw xor speed is the upper limit

[22:08:47]

fysa:

XOR is different.

[22:08:52]

kormoc:

a chip that is designed well for a specific task can outperform a much 'faster' chip in a general way

[22:09:57]

fysa:

But the XOR chip in your 3ata card was probably designed 5+ years ago.

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fysa:

Don't quote me on that or anything.

[22:10:29]

kormoc:

fysa, actually not

[22:11:18]

kormoc:

fysa, between the 8000 and the 9000 cards, they moved to a new xor chip, and it has a 2005 date stamped on it, the previous cards had a 2003 date stamped

[22:11:31]

MBVette:

What is the best way to get the video to my stereo receiver is all my receivers inputs are component?

[22:11:52]

dasOp:

yeah, 3ware did a hell of a comeback with the 9k series

[22:12:04]

kormoc:

MBVette, get a component out video card?

[22:12:12]

dasOp:

its a good card and a great way to offload

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MBVette:

do they have component out cards? I am really only seeing DVI or s-video out

[22:12:53]

kormoc:

MBVette, yes, some do. My MSI 6200 low profile card has component out

[22:13:04]

jams:

MBVette- the nvidia 6600 can do it, or just buy a transcoder

[22:13:19]

kormoc:

MBVette, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814127203

[22:13:56]

MBVette:

Kormoc thats not component out

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kormoc:

MBVette, check the 4th picture

[22:14:37]

kormoc:

MBVette, the cable with the blue, green, and red jacks are component

[22:14:37]

MBVette:

ahhh ok comes with the plugs :)

[22:14:49]

MBVette:

just looked at the card itself

[22:15:21]

MBVette:

Kormoc thanks :)

[22:15:28]

kormoc:

your welcome

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fysa:

I haven't seen any software/hardware performance comparison with the 9000. The last I read about was around the 5000 or 6000 time, at which point software SSE2-enhanced XOR RAID5 was faster. I'll keep an eye out for a newer article though.

[22:15:59]

dasOp:

fysa: 5000 or 6000? thats before we had dvr systems at all :)

[22:16:11]

MBVette:

can you guys just confirm what Im putting together will work.....

[22:16:38]

fysa:

I'm pretty sure that a newer CPU can push XOR fast enough to reach the limits of the PCI bus though.

[22:16:57]

dasOp:

no problem at all

[22:17:09]

MBVette:

Asus ATX AMD board, AMD 3700 64mb chip, 320gig HD, PVR 250, and above video card

[22:17:14]

fysa:

and that's probably why I'm now limited to about 40MB/sec with these two PCI cards.

[22:17:28]

fysa:

That's two separate cards that need to communicate back and forth.

[22:17:33]

dasOp:

I've had sw raid5's push around 100mb/sec write

[22:17:47]

fysa:

Yeah. That's what started this. :)

[22:18:17]

fysa:

The same SATA1 drives with NF4 on-board SATA2 (PCI-X bus? HyperTransport? whatever.. faster than PCI) were pushing 100MB/sec.

[22:18:25]

fysa:

But that was four drives, and only the single controller.

[22:18:37]

dasOp:

and when experimenting with adding and removing drives, I got pretty confident that xor rate was not the issue

[22:18:55]

dasOp:

considering cpu load never got very high at all

[22:18:59]

fysa:

You know.. I just realize that I may be able to nearly double my speed by putting all of my drives on the same SATA controller.

[22:19:18]

dasOp:

why is that?

[22:19:22]

** haj have a Athlon64 3200+ with 4 Raptor's in software RAID10, 120meg/sec.. **

[22:19:27]

haj:

works fine :)

[22:19:32]

dasOp:

no XOR there :)

[22:19:35]

fysa:

I've got two individual 4-port controllers and 7 drives.

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fysa:

Both are PCI, so both are going to be fighting for the bus simultaneously.

[22:20:17]

fysa:

wait. I thought standard PCI could do 133MB/sec.

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dasOp:

with dma, sending one packet to one card and one to the other isnt really slower than sending two packets to one card

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haj:

fysa: you will have overhead....

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dasOp:

it can

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dasOp:

but you have overhead and I had other stuff on said pci bus

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fysa:

yeah. it's not quite what I thought it would be.

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dasOp:

there are pci-e 4x cards out now though

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dasOp:

3ware has one series which is quite good

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dasOp:

I have 3 4port of those in use for smaller sites

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fysa:

I think my next setup is going to use eSATA.

[22:25:33]

fysa:

once cheapo 8-port PCI-Es are out.

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fysa:

er, 4-port

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dasOp:

and a decent contact

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dasOp:

sata trivia: the internal connector is designed to withstand fifty (50) insertions and removals

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dasOp:

not too hard to reach for the real geeks

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xris:

must be better than pata connectors

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xris:

I've broken far more of those

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Juski:

nah pata connectors are rated to thousands of insertion cycles

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Juski:

and FYI some sata connectors are rated to way more than 50 insertion/removal cycles. just not the el-cheapo ones ;)

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kormoc:

I think it boils down to how easy you go on them too

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jasta:

grrr

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jasta:

i cant figure out how to open the battery cover on my new phone

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jasta:

and the user's manual says absolutely nothing about it.

[22:33:14]

jasta:

it looks to have no lever mechanism of any kind, but it doesnt just slide off.

[22:33:16]

kormoc:

jasta, throw it at a wall a few times

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Aid`:

anyone here have wireless internet?

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hatredx:

aid i do

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hatredx:

as in use with mytv? yes

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MBVette:

does it matter what wireless card you hook up?

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Aid`:

like wireless internet where your internet come from a source that is 'wireless'

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hatredx:

well as long as it supported in linux in some fashion; no

[22:40:40]

hatredx:

but 54g+ is recommended imho

[22:41:07]

hatredx:

oh, no Aid; but from work experience it is shakey if you want a good constant latency

[22:41:36]

hatredx:

you can experience some short durations of outages too

[22:41:46]

hatredx:

short as in 15 secs or so

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Aid`:

hatredx: thats perfectly fine i dont play any games online or anything all i really need is faster than 3k/sec speeds that my dialup has

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MBVette:

any card yhou know of that works with linux?

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hatredx:

aid; then go for it

[22:42:09]

Aid`:

yeah but $40 a month is sorta pricy

[22:42:12]

Aid`:

and then $250 setup

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hatredx:

MBVette; not sure there are plenty of resources via google on supported linux wifi

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hatredx:

aid; what speeds they telling you?>

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MBVette:

am I better off getting the router down to where the TV is?

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Aid`:

well they just did a site survey and they had 2 bars. they said on 1 bar they can get 2mbps so 2 bars is prolly ~4mbps

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hatredx:

MBVette; two linksys ap's?

[22:43:35]

hatredx:

you can get a linksys wireless router /cable-dsl

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hatredx:

and an additional ap to bridge it

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hatredx:

single ap (access point) is cheap

[22:44:02]

MBVette:

I have the router already but its not anywhere near my entertainment center

[22:44:04]

hatredx:

and less hassle driver wise

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Aid`:

4mbps worth $40 a month?

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hatredx:

aid; i would say so

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hatredx:

i value my connection verymuch so

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hatredx:

MBVette, you got a wireless rtr now?

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MBVette:

yes

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Aid`:

yeah, i'd love to have high speed internet... this dialup is just insanely unreliable

[22:45:15]

xris:

Aid`: how much do you pay for dialup?

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Aid`:

$10 a month

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hatredx:

MBVette, yea you should look into another single access point to bridge to the entertainment area

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Aid`:

then about 20–25$ a month for an extra phone line

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hatredx:

then you have another ethernet point for networking on that side

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kormoc:

Aid`, look at it this way, you pay 30 to 35 a month for 56 k, or you can pay 40 a month for 4000 k

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MBVette:

well the desktop where the router was died. So it doesnt need to be where it currently is

[22:46:08]

MBVette:

should I just move it down to the entertainment center?

[22:46:08]

xris:

Aid`: so $40/month is actually only $5/month more than you pay now, for 500x the speed

[22:46:19]

hatredx:

MBVette, what value does that bring?

[22:46:33]

hatredx:

you still got to wire it or have the other pc's connect wireless

[22:46:34]

MBVette:

then I can hook up to the router via wire instead of wireless

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Aid`:

yes very true, but it also isn't my money. im stil living at home, im in highschool

[22:46:53]

hatredx:

Aid; i vote yes, but up to you and what you got going on

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MBVette:

I only have a laptop now currently. My destop died

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Hoxzer:

how many of you guys actually use linux as desktop?

[22:47:06]

Aid`:

me

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** hatredx raises his hand **

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hatredx:

7 years now

[22:47:18]

hatredx:

*except gaming hehe

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kormoc:

Hoxzer, I do, for many years as well

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kormoc:

I even game on linux

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aevil:

Hoxzer, i do

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Aid`:

kormoc: what kind of games?

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hatredx:

as do I but you got limits with linux games

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Hoxzer:

:O

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MBVette:

hatredx so the only thing I need hardwired is the HTPC Im building. Everything else is already wireless

[22:48:06]

hatredx:

MBVette, ya lost me, sorry.

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kormoc:

Aid`, lots, check out transgaming.com

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hatredx:

thats not gaming on linux

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hatredx:

thats cheating linux into running windows crap

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Aid`:

aye aye

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hatredx:

i want native!

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kormoc:

heh

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hatredx:

transgaming is nice though

[22:48:38]

kormoc:

I also game native, but there's less of them :P

[22:48:45]

hatredx:

just hate the "patch" fix feel of running game like that

[22:48:54]

MBVette:

I am using this system only for mythtv. and trying to figure out how to wire it to the net...

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MBVette:

I currently have nothing hardwired to the router

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hatredx:

MBVette, put the thing by the entertainment and be done

[22:49:29]

hatredx:

i got 12 machines; think different =p

[22:49:38]

MBVette:

yeah thats a bit different. lol

[22:49:51]

hatredx:

and I hate wireless =P

[22:49:52]

MBVette:

I have 3–4 others that are dead. do they count :)

[22:50:01]

hatredx:

well if we count deads ...

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hatredx:

lol jk

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MBVette:

:P

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MBVette:

what do you think of this system....

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MBVette:

Asus ATX AMD board, AMD 3700 64mb chip, 320gig HD, PVR 250, and above video card

[22:51:02]

MBVette:

video card is a geforce 6200

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hatredx:

not bad at all

[22:51:50]

hatredx:

get a dual core for the same price

[22:51:59]

hatredx:

147 for 3800+ dual core

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hatredx:

2.0 ghz and 64bit

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hatredx:

overclocks well

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Aid`:

kormoc: it isnt free:(

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MBVette:

oh yeah almost forgot memory. lol is 1 gig sufficient

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hatredx:

i find 1 gig sufficient, but I would personally like 2 =)

[22:54:26]

MBVette:

can I just put 1 1gig chip in to start and then upgrade to another chip if I want. Or do you need 2 chips?

[22:55:27]

hatredx:

2 chips will give you dual channel

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hatredx:

1 chip will give you one, until upgrade

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hatredx:

4 slots? 2x512 then 2x512 later

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MBVette:

yes 4 slots on that board

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MBVette:

ok that works

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hatredx:

and hell, you may do 2x512 and 2x1g later

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hatredx:

memory may drop

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MBVette:

could do that too. lol

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hatredx:

you getting a 939 socket?

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MBVette:

besides pins does anything else matter for memory

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MBVette:

yes 939

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hatredx:

yea, memory prices will fall now that DDR2 is on the new socket type from AMD

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hatredx:

i am happy with 939 and will enjoy the price cuts =)

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hatredx:

lol

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MBVette:

lol

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hatredx:

for real; pissed a bit as I bought a new rig around x-mas ... cpu (4400+ amd64 x2) was 500 then ... now like 230–240

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hatredx:

grrrr

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MBVette:

this system will wind up costing about 600

[23:00:28]

hatredx:

not bad

[23:00:37]

hatredx:

but do look into the 3800+ amd64 x2

[23:00:42]

hatredx:

good price and very good chip

[23:00:54]

hatredx:

good bang for buck; just bought two

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hatredx:

for myth usage =)

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MBVette:

its another $60...

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sPiN:

hey all... i am using mythtv .19 and i am wondering how i get it to say like CBS for the channel name instead of Channel 6 and such

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sPiN:

i see how i can set it manually in mythtv-setup but i dont see a way to get it to pull this info from the xml channel info service

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MBVette:

damn up to $700

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kormoc:

MBVette, could look into a intel pentium-d system. Cheaper then the x2 by far, and really good bang for the buck

[23:03:42]

Aid`:

gah — how late has anyone received a UPS package in the night?

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kormoc:

Aid`, no later then 5 pm

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sPiN:

you can get an x2 4200 dual core fore 180US

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sPiN:

Aid`, 6:45ish

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Aid`:

on ups tracking it went out at 5am OUT FOR DELIVERY, and it hasn't come yet...

[23:05:17]

Aid`:

if it wasn't going on two weeks this wednesday i'd be a bit more patient

[23:06:30]

Aid`:

everything I own is slow

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kormoc:

sPiN, for $180, you can get a 3.4 ghz dual core pentium-d 945, with 4 megs of l2 cache.

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** kormoc shrugs **

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kormoc:

Spida, for entry level stuff tho, the pentium-d 805 is a very very nice cheap proc

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sPiN:

the pentium D was half assed dual core.

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** kormoc rises an eyebrow **

[23:09:03]

kormoc:

well, if you have any hard technical data to back that up, it would be great to hear it

[23:11:22]

kormoc:

esp when a $97 intel pentium-d 805 can overclock to the point of just being slightly slower then a $700 4800+ x2, calling it half-assed seems a bit of a stretch

[23:11:38]

kormoc:

(see http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/05/10/dual_4 . . . ge29.html#3d )

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sPiN:

kormoc, the two cores share their connection to the memory control and have to go over the fsb to get there

[23:13:13]

sPiN:

whereas the x2 has dual channel access to its ON-DIE mc

[23:13:29]

sPiN:

thus the pentium D was half assed

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kormoc:

so I guess that means that all intels are half assed, given intel isn't going to a on die memory controler?

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** xris waits for the smack-down from kormoc **

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sPiN:

intel couldnt get hte core duo out in time to compete, so they slaped another core on the wafer sharing the same data channel

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sPiN:

no, it isnt as much about that as it is about the way the implemented dual cores on one die in the pentium D

[23:15:17]

sPiN:

they did it right with the core duo

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kormoc:

actually, the core 2 duo still shares the same memory system, no on die controler

[23:15:56]

kormoc:

as well as the same shared cache

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sPiN:

forget about the on die mem controller

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kormoc:

sPiN, that was your point on why the pentium-d was half-assed

[23:16:19]

sPiN:

no it wasnt

[23:16:22]

sPiN:

no, it isnt as much about that as it is about the way the implemented dual cores on one die in the pentium D

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kormoc:

<sPiN> kormoc, the two cores share their connection to the memory control and have to go over the fsb to get there

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kormoc:

it's still the same manor in the core duo and the core 2 duo

[23:17:03]

kormoc:

same single die, dual core design

[23:17:18]

kormoc:

hence why I asked for some more solid technical reasons

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kormoc:

infact the core 2 quads will be using the same single die, quad core design

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quink:

if i update any programs like ffmpeg do i need to recompile the associated mythtv modules that use it?

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kormoc:

qu0zl, mythtv uses it's own static ffmpeg, so your system ffmpeg won't affect it

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kormoc:

quink, but also, generally, no, as dynamic programs will just use the newer one, except when there is api changes

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MBVette:

question about the pvr-250

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MBVette:

is it for standard def only or for high def also?

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ttuttle:

Is there any way to run MythTV without the TV part, just as a media player/media center program?

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quink:

hm. well then i can't figure out what i did to break live tv and recordings.

[23:27:18]

quink:

i updated some packages a few days and its not recording now.

[23:27:44]

quink:

but i can play back videos and recordings but no live tv or new recordings.

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Juski:

you updated some stuff. bingo

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quink:

yeah i know.

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quink:

i mean i don't know what it was that i did to break it.

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ttuttle:

Alternatively, is there a program like MythTV that is more music/video player-like but still fullscreen and remote controllable?

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Aid1:

Juski: i have my DVB-S card :)

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Aid1:

Juski: now i gotta figure out how to install it properly

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Juski:

ttuttle: XMMS might be more your style

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ttuttle:

Juski: I'm looking for something that can be operated entirely using a remote with LIRC.

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Juski:

ttuttle: do I have to give you the URL for XMMS ?

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ttuttle:

Juski: I can find the URL.

[23:40:21]

Juski:

okay. XMMS can work with lirc :)

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xris:

MBVette: just SD

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Juski:

it's a more capable 'media player' than mythtv IMHO

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ttuttle:

Juski: Can I browse files with the remote?

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Juski:

ttuttle: go read about XMMS :)

[23:41:22]

ttuttle:

Juski: Ok.

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MBVette:

which linux system do you recomend for a lunix novice to start out on for mythtv?

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ttuttle:

Juski: The LIRC plugin doesn't have a good file browser.

[23:51:12]

Juski:

ttuttle: LIRC is just for remote control. XMMS has all the browsing/playing stuff

[23:51:34]

Juski:

if you really want the daddy of all the media players get xbox media centre

[23:51:44]

_nero_:

say- is knoppmyth a liveCD?

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Juski:

_nero_: for frontends yes

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Juski:

MBVette: knoppmyth

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MBVette:

thanks

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_nero_:

Juski, if MBVette wants to just take a look at what MythTV/linux looks like, can he just use the knoppmyth CD? Or would he need to have a backend running?

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Juski:

it needs a backend to work

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_nero_:

ahh. ok.

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Juski:

if you want to see how mythtv operates there's a promo video online :)

[23:53:37]

MBVette:

where is it?

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_nero_:

Juski, any suggestions for a liveCD distro to just play a bit with linux?

[23:54:36]

Juski:

video is here: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/videos/mythtv_web.avi

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fysa:

XMMS has full-screen media center-type skins?

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Juski:

_nero_: ubuntu or kubuntu. don't give mandrake the time of day

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fysa:

Xubuntu may even make a decent frontend.

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Juski:

fysa: yeah XMMS can be skinned

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Juski:

what's wrong with you guys? can you not look at the homepage of xmms & see the screenshots?

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Juski:

oops. what screenshots?

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Juski:

oh,,, you should really look at... damn he's gone

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Juski:

I was gonna say geexbox

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