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Sunday, August 20th, 2006, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:23] sphery: Aid1: Myth gets EPG from the internet.
[00:00:48] Aid1: yes from zap2it but you can only haave 1 location
[00:00:59] sphery: There's an option to use EIT data within digital broadcasts, too (but--at least in my area--broadcasters don't have good data in there).
[00:00:59] Aid1: for FTA satellite there are channels i get that are all over the US
[00:01:20] sphery: I don't know how that works.
[00:01:33] sphery: You'll have to talk to someone using FTA.
[00:01:46] sphery: I think xris (who's gone for a couple of days) is.
[00:02:07] sphery: tybb0: it sounds like an issue with the frequency ID's.
[00:02:28] Aid1: well, xris never worked with it... he has the stuff to do it but never got around to it
[00:02:33] Aid1: thanks anyways though sphery
[00:02:37] tybb0: wtf? :)
[00:02:52] GreyFoxx: Aid1: What exactly is your problem?
[00:03:17] Aid1: GreyFoxx: im trying to use 1 channel from 1 city then another channel from another city etc to fill out my program guide
[00:04:09] GreyFoxx: And you are using what? DVBs ?
[00:04:25] Aid1: DVB-S
[00:04:44] GreyFoxx: You can get EIT data, but depending on the provider it might only be now/next data
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[00:05:11] GreyFoxx: some provide several days in advance but usually only on certain transports
[00:05:20] Aid1: GreyFoxx: it is FTA satellite
[00:05:26] GreyFoxx: Which it's possible your few channels are not on
[00:06:05] Aid1: GreyFoxx: im just trying to get ready for when i get my DVB-S card on monday
[00:06:29] GreyFoxx: Guess you willfind out how much EIT data there is then :)
[00:06:42] sphery: GreyFoxx: Thanks for committing Retro/Retro OSD (and, of course, Gray OSD)!
[00:06:59] GreyFoxx: sphery: Heh yeah, I wanted to get them in before the freeze :)
[00:07:04] sphery: Yeah.
[00:07:04] Aid1: yeah GreyFoxx but if there isn't any then i have to figure out what else im gunna do
[00:07:14] GreyFoxx: Aid1: You can assume there will be some
[00:07:38] GreyFoxx: But as I said,it might only be a few hours worth ata time. IT's dependant on the broadcaster
[00:07:51] GreyFoxx: Otherwise It's gonna be ugly
[00:08:20] Aid1: but a few hours at a time that isn't bad as long as i tell it that iwant to record certain types of shows
[00:08:26] GreyFoxx: sphery: I'm gonna try and rebuild my OpenBSD machine tomorrow and get myth compiling on it again. I had started a month or 2 ago,but never finished
[00:08:44] GreyFoxx: Trying to think of all the little patches I've got laying around
[00:09:09] sphery: Now I just have to manually install Grayhem. Makes upgrades/installs easier.
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[00:09:29] sphery: Cool.
[00:09:29] Speedy2: Anyone happen to have an nVidia PCX 5300?
[00:09:44] GreyFoxx: I wondering if we should split the themes up into a wide/nonwide groups
[00:10:04] GreyFoxx: so people with wide screens can download those as a seperate package
[00:10:10] GreyFoxx: might not be worththe effort though
[00:10:32] sphery: Would be nice for saving Chutt some bandwidth, but might confuse people when they buy a new TV... :)
[00:10:41] GreyFoxx: yeah
[00:10:57] GreyFoxx: I think the confusion will cause some brains to overload and just generate complaints
[00:10:59] sphery: And, it's not worth the space savings on the Myth install.
[00:11:25] sphery: So, I vote you spend your Myth time doing other cool stuff, instead.  :)
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[00:12:22] riddlebox: hello, can someone help me with some lirc issues?
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[00:13:37] jepeltw: hello all, I have two frontends and have found that one only shows one show in the Media Library, despite there being several others which display fine on the other frontend (mythfrontend 0.19/MacPPC)
[00:13:39] Juski: GreyFoxx: for a while now I've thought about making a lot of my images common to both – big space saver ;) If I can manager to make a tarball with symlinks in it
[00:14:10] Juski: jepeltw: change your group filter
[00:14:51] Speedy2: riddlebox: What's going on with your lirc?
[00:15:18] jepeltw: thanks Juski
[00:15:35] riddlebox: Speedy2, well I loaded the lirc_serial module, and I see this: lirc_serial: auto-detected active high receiver
[00:15:35] riddlebox: [17180115.112000] lirc_dev: lirc_register_plugin: sample_rate: 0
[00:15:55] GreyFoxx: Juski: heh
[00:15:58] tybb0:
[00:16:09] Speedy2: riddlebox: Does 'irw' show anything useful ?
[00:16:27] riddlebox: Speedy2, nope, and neither does mode2
[00:16:45] GreyFoxx: spher: Well I'd like to try and get it going under OpenBSD again, and see if Anduin goes for my .ignore file stuff.
[00:17:02] GreyFoxx: though I'm gonna rebuild mythvideo cause my build from earlier is acting a little wacky
[00:17:18] Speedy2: riddlebox: lirc typically creates a file in /var/log (I think) named something like lircd, it shows debug info. Can you view that?
[00:18:29] riddlebox: I see alot of lircd(serial) ready, lircd: caught signal
[00:19:25] Speedy2: riddlebox: One thing, you need to make sure lircd is talking to the right device under /dev . Sometimes loading the module I'd get lirc0 and lirc1 under /dev
[00:19:56] riddlebox: this is the log: http://pastebin.ca/139488
[00:20:10] riddlebox: I took care of that already
[00:20:52] tybb0: AHAHAHAHA *hurl*
[00:21:01] riddlebox: I found an ubuntu howto that told me how to make it /dev/lirc instead of /dev/lirc0
[00:21:13] tybb0: sphery: Looks like you were right man
[00:21:24] Speedy2: riddlebox: When you run lircd do you tell it the right device?
[00:21:53] tybb0: sphery: I see now that the chanid is actually the same as frequency ID...
[00:22:06] tybb0: sphery: Now where to obtain a list of frequency ids :-S
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[00:23:14] Sebulba02: helllooo on the other side of I-4 fysa :)
[00:23:18] Speedy2: riddlebox: Did you compile lirc from source, or are you using a package?
[00:23:23] riddlebox: from source
[00:23:35] Speedy2: one sec, let me boot my PVR box
[00:23:51] riddlebox: see I am not sure if my reciever works at all it is the one that is on the howto on lirc.org
[00:24:01] fysa: seb: I-4?
[00:24:14] Speedy2: riddlebox: Well, lircd shouldn't be quitting, I had that issue too
[00:25:08] Sebulba02: fysa: guess that could be the wrong tampabay then
[00:25:24] fysa: St. Pete Beach :)
[00:25:45] Sebulba02: close enough, in that general area :p
[00:25:57] fysa: I'm kinda new to the area yet.. :P
[00:26:13] Sebulba02: I'm in daytona, hense the 'other side of I-4'
[00:26:32] Speedy2: riddlebox: /msg me
[00:26:33] Sebulba02: which, I guess you'll eventually have to find
[00:27:11] fysa: haha
[00:29:08] fysa: is mythvideo fixed again?
[00:30:02] fysa: GreyFoxx: Was your mythvideo passing the wrong movie via %s too?
[00:30:39] fysa: Sebulba02. Can you get Verizon FIOS yet?
[00:30:50] GreyFoxx: fysa: Not via %s (using the internal player). But yeah it was returning the wrong video. Itonly happened on videos not scanned into the database
[00:31:19] GreyFoxx: After this new compile is done I'll give it another shot
[00:31:27] fysa: yeah, compiling 10860(?) now here.
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[00:31:51] GreyFoxx: latest as of 5 or so minutes ago compiling here
[00:32:16] GreyFoxx: this time I wiped my existing pluginsm source so there is nochance of contamination from other patches :)
[00:32:59] fysa: are there any special mythvideo patches you were using before? (like the slow pre-cache issue?)
[00:33:03] Sebulba02: fysa: I haven't looked.
[00:33:26] GreyFoxx: fysa: I'm always messing around under the hood heh
[00:33:37] fysa: I've got 2500 videos or so in all of the child folders and it takes 15–30 seconds for mythvideo to come up.
[00:33:52] GreyFoxx: I had mod in there than I'm sure had nothing to do withit, but I'm doing it without it
[00:34:13] fysa: I wish they'd give me a mode that just does a straight real-time directory listing.
[00:34:37] fysa: 15–30 second load times and having to quit mythvideo/reload it to reindex when I add something new is a bit painful.
[00:34:42] GreyFoxx: fysa: Enable file browsing, and turn off the loading of metadata
[00:34:50] fysa: It is. :P
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[00:34:58] GreyFoxx: that should be quite fast
[00:35:15] Sebulba02: fysa: well, their webpage can't find my address, so I'd say no :)
[00:35:47] fysa: It's just the directory scanning that is killing it. 2 terabytes via cifs.
[00:36:01] fysa: Using file browsing/no metadata.
[00:36:19] ZMorek: anyone here familiar with xorg.conf and tv out that could give me some guidance, the xorg channel is pretty dead
[00:36:27] Speedy2: ZMorek: What video card?
[00:36:33] ZMorek: nvidia onboard
[00:36:34] GreyFoxx: fysa: time a "find . > file.txt" from the root of your video dir, how long does that take ?
[00:36:49] ZMorek: Speedy2: some sort of geforce
[00:37:01] Speedy2: ZMorek: If you install the nVidia binary drivers, when the installer is done you can use some nvidia utilities to configure it, or find the readme that basically says to set the TV_on option true
[00:37:02] GreyFoxx: I had some custom patches before to speed that up in minebut they wont fit with the rewrite
[00:37:09] fysa: 15–30 seconds. :P
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[00:37:15] fysa: still runnign.
[00:37:17] fysa: one sec.
[00:37:31] GreyFoxx: So a plain find is taking that long ?
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[00:37:44] fysa: yes. like I said, there's a *ton* of data there.
[00:37:53] ZMorek: Speedy2: here's the thing, I can startx on my TV, it just sets a virtual size and ends up running whatever resolutions I choose in the top left of the screen
[00:38:03] GreyFoxx: 2500 isn't that much :)
[00:38:15] Speedy2: ZMorek: Set your resolution to 800x600 and remove every single other resolution in the config file
[00:38:17] fysa: one sec.
[00:38:26] ZMorek: Speedy2: it runs in the top left
[00:38:34] fysa: 53471 lines in file.txt
[00:38:47] ZMorek: Speedy2: the xorg.0.log gives me a rundown of "bad" resolutions that don't match the TV hsync and vsync
[00:38:49] fysa: so I guess 2500 was just the metadata database that I no longer use.
[00:38:51] GreyFoxx: That would include any images, directory names and such
[00:39:00] Speedy2: ZMorek: Well, I suggest you remove everything except 800x600
[00:39:09] GreyFoxx: symlinksetc
[00:39:17] ZMorek: Speedy2: I've tried that
[00:39:23] Speedy2: PAL or NTSC?
[00:39:40] Speedy2: What version of Xorg? What nVidia binary driver?
[00:39:42] ZMorek: NTSC-M
[00:39:44] fysa: right. that's the same scan that mythvideo does though, you know? if file browser mode would just do a scan against a cwd it would be much quicker.
[00:39:51] fysa: and not preload everything..
[00:40:01] fysa: file.txt is 5mb.. :P
[00:40:13] GreyFoxx: fysa: Well the mythvideo scan does a lot of other stuff under the hood, even when not loading metadata so I was curious how long a "Raw" find would take
[00:40:52] ZMorek: Speedy2: nvidia 7182
[00:41:10] Speedy2: ZMorek: Get the latest driver, they've really fixed a lot of bugs
[00:41:25] ZMorek: Speedy2: I'm not sure it will run with my graphics card...
[00:41:43] Speedy2: ZMorek: As long as your video card is newer than TNT2 it should
[00:41:45] ZMorek: Speedy2: should I just give it the old college try and surpass legacy...
[00:41:49] ZMorek: ok
[00:42:03] Speedy2: They have silently stop supporting TNT/TNT2
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[00:43:43] Speedy2: Ok...anyone have a spare nVidia PCI video card?
[00:44:26] fysa: maybe I can get smbd to cache more intelligently.
[00:44:41] fysa: I'm using a 6150, speedy.
[00:45:15] fysa: want my xorg.conf?
[00:45:30] fysa: wait. ZMorek.
[00:46:13] ZMorek: fysa: I actually tried another person's config from the mythtv-users channel to no avail
[00:46:38] Speedy2: fysa: I'm trying to get a 5xxx series PCI or PCI-E nVidia card
[00:46:39] fysa: I've probably had more trouble with my setup than anyone.. :P
[00:46:58] evilDagmar: Ouch. 6150 is nv41
[00:47:27] fysa: using 6150 in multi-head with DVI and S-Video simultaneously
[00:47:45] evilDagmar: That's no big deal, but I think that's NV41, which means no xvmc video overlay goodness
[00:47:55] fysa: with xvmc working
[00:48:08] Speedy2: evilDagmar: They pulled video overlay > 6x00
[00:48:27] Speedy2: It does hardware xvideo but they use different ports
[00:48:35] fysa: mplayer -vo xvmc -vc ffmpeg12mc works beautifully
[00:48:51] evilDagmar: Scratch that, the 6100 doens't have it, but the 6150 does
[00:48:55] fysa: :)
[00:48:59] evilDagmar: It would still work without it, it would just be resource intensive
[00:49:02] fysa: not bad for a $50 board.
[00:49:25] evilDagmar: Speedy2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_6_Series
[00:50:00] evilDagmar: There's also http://www.nvidia.com/page/purevideo_support.html to look at
[00:50:19] ZMorek: Speedy2: I installed the newest driver... still not working
[00:50:48] ZMorek: Speedy2: newest x... from the debian repositories
[00:51:01] ZMorek: in etch
[00:51:14] Speedy2: evilDagmar: I've got a 6200 TC
[00:51:45] evilDagmar: That's a purchasing decision I wouldn't have made
[00:52:01] Speedy2: It does XvMC, passive, etc, etc.
[00:52:24] evilDagmar: ZMorek: The default behaviour for X there is to clone the displays
[00:52:40] evilDagmar: If you want the TV output to be independent, you have to define two monitors and two displays
[00:53:25] evilDagmar: ...and you'll almost certianly want to set DisplaySize in your Monitor definition for the TV. Check the Wiki, I just updated that page pretty heavily last night
[00:53:39] ZMorek: this'll be fun
[00:54:39] evilDagmar: It's not as hard as it sounds
[00:55:31] Speedy2: evilDagmar: The only issue I'm having with the 6200 is an overlay issue with VDR
[00:55:35] Speedy2: evilDagmar: Everything else works fine.
[00:56:00] ZMorek: evilDagmar, where in the wiki is this?
[00:57:35] evilDagmar: Speedy2: Is it NV41?
[00:57:47] evilDagmar: ...and what do you mean by "VDR"?
[00:58:40] Speedy2: evilDagmar: www.cadsoft.de/vdr
[00:59:19] Speedy2: evilDagmar: I guess from those wiki pages it's NV44
[00:59:22] evilDagmar: Speedy2: You're aware this is the MythTV-Users channel, right?
[01:00:04] evilDagmar: It may not support overlay then. If you've got the latest nvidia drivers, `xdpyinfo` should tell you everything that was enabled
[01:00:54] Speedy2: evilDagmar: Yeah, I know this is a myth channel.
[01:00:57] evilDagmar: Hmm... lemme find what I was looking for in the Wiki before I de-gentoo parts of it
[01:01:14] evilDagmar: ZMorek: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Display_Size
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[01:01:25] ** LLyric kicks his nvidia card in the nads **
[01:01:26] Speedy2: evilDagmar: It doesn't support overlay. But it supports XVideo, through the blitter and texture ports
[01:01:30] evilDagmar: You'll want to do that with your TV's Monitor definition to make sure X thinks it's DPI is 100x100
[01:01:51] evilDagmar: Speedy2: well, feel free to patch X then
[01:01:55] fysa: ZMorek. For the love of god, please accept my xorg.conf.
[01:02:07] Speedy2: evilDagmar: Patch X for what?
[01:02:23] evilDagmar: Speedy2: your apparent problem
[01:02:33] ZMorek: fysa: I'm not getting anything popping up to accept...
[01:02:34] Speedy2: evilDagmar: The problem isn't in X, it's in the program.
[01:02:37] fysa: :)
[01:02:43] ZMorek: fysa: I never registered for freenode
[01:02:44] fysa: email?
[01:02:44] Speedy2: evilDagmar: More correctly, a plug-in.
[01:02:51] fysa: msg it to me.
[01:02:54] fysa: so it doesn't get logged.
[01:03:03] evilDagmar: Wow there's some really stupid things in http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Optimizing_Performance
[01:03:11] ZMorek: I might also add I never registered on freenode
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[01:03:18] fysa: you can't msg?
[01:03:24] ZMorek: well techincally I did but that was ages ago and I lost the password
[01:03:26] ZMorek: yeah
[01:03:31] ZMorek: it won't let me unless I register and I'm lazy
[01:03:53] fysa: jason dot fisher at gmail (dot) (com) and I will reply.
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[01:04:22] scott__: gmail rocks
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[01:05:10] fysa: I'm using multiple outputs on my onboard NVidia, but just one instance of mythfrontend. I switch mythfrontend between :0.0 and :0.1 with a swapdisplay.sh script that calls my mythstart.sh script and switches everything over.
[01:05:16] LLyric: Question: my GeForce 6600 GT has a RGB component breakout cable, but when I try and send 576i or 1080i to TV (which supports those), there are two images (one a little offset to the right of the other)....
[01:05:25] fysa: no clone/no xinerama
[01:05:43] LLyric: Any ideas what I'm doing wrong? Relate to tv specs and horiz/vertical freqs?
[01:06:32] ZMorek: fysa: you've got mail
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[01:12:14] fysa: OK. I just sent you all of my config files.. :P
[01:12:42] fysa: dinner time.. let me know how it goes.
[01:15:00] ZMorek: fysa: this'll take some time... I need to figure this out
[01:22:55] fysa: GreyFoxx: Looks like it's still acting up.
[01:27:42] ZMorek: fysa: does it matter that I use my tv for my only display?
[01:27:53] ZMorek: IE: would I switch between my tv and my tv?
[01:29:13] fysa: nope.
[01:29:28] fysa: just remove one of the screen display settings from xorg.conf
[01:29:38] fysa: and ignore the other funky scripts I sent you.
[01:34:19] ZMorek: I'm beginning to dislike x
[01:34:48] ZMorek: and how I can't even run dpkg-reconfigure because I apparently customized x at some point
[01:36:36] evilDagmar: ZMorek: if you're only using the TV, then you only need to define the one display
[01:37:40] ZMorek: I've been told I need to define the tv twice
[01:37:44] ZMorek: and regardless nothing is working
[01:37:58] ZMorek: and I keep getting these incessant warnings that I'm missing font files
[01:38:17] ZMorek: and the security file or something
[01:38:43] ZMorek: and no matter what I do it keeps running a virtual display
[01:38:46] Anduin: GreyFoxx: .ignore (or something like it) is on my list, just didn't get to it this rev
[01:38:47] ZMorek: at like 1024x768
[01:38:57] ZMorek: I'm about ready to break something
[01:39:01] ZMorek: physically
[01:40:38] Zider: hm, this is strange.. instead of playing some of my film clips, I get one of the DVD isos instead..
[01:43:08] ZMorek: now x loads up without as many errors in what is supposed to be 800x600 but it still just takes the top left corner of my screen
[01:43:22] ZMorek: the log doesn't even list nearly as many errors
[01:43:28] ZMorek: but it keeps giving me crap about fonts
[01:45:01] ZMorek: why does x hate me?
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[01:45:40] evilDagmar: Because you're using some bullshit distribution, or you've broken a good one
[01:46:04] ZMorek: I didn't think it was possible to break debian etch like I have
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[01:46:22] Zider: anything is possible to break
[01:46:27] Zider: with a big enough hammer
[01:46:32] Zider: :P
[01:46:34] ZMorek: I'm about ready
[01:46:54] antiPosix: I am wiping out my failed attempt of building MythTV on Fedora Core 5. Anyone have suggestions on distros that are easiest to use from the base install. I tried Debian earlier today to find it lacks ALSA.
[01:47:04] ZMorek: I've been fiddling for like 2 weeks... it's really getting on my nerves now
[01:47:24] Zider: antiPosix: "lacks alsa"? umm, no?
[01:47:28] antiPosix: I dont feel like doing the leg work to compile ALSA into the Debian kernel. I'm looking for the easiest solution
[01:47:28] ficusplanet: antiPosix: MythDora has been really easy for me.
[01:47:44] Zider: I doubt there's any distro that doesn't have alsa available
[01:47:45] ZMorek: apt-get install alsa?
[01:47:47] antiPosix: lsmods | grep alsa, shows me nothing on my Debian Sarge
[01:48:15] ZMorek: try etch... well with my trouble... don't try etch
[01:48:24] Zider: you mean their kernel isn't compiled with alsa
[01:48:32] Zider: that's not the same thing as "lacking alsa"
[01:48:33] ZMorek: I'm about to enact my vengeance on an etch-a-sketch
[01:48:48] ficusplanet: lsmod wouldn't "alsa" but rather an alsa driver of one kind or another.
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[01:49:18] Zider: lsmod only shows kernel modules that are currently loaded
[01:49:40] Zider: modprobe -l shows all available modules
[01:49:45] antiPosix: ok, forget the Debian ALSA statement I made. What distro would people suggest with the least amount of work(time0
[01:50:04] ficusplanet: Zider: Right. And alsa isn't a kernel module. alsa drivers are.
[01:50:30] Zider: ficusplanet: well, alsa includes the drivers as well
[01:50:53] ficusplanet: Zider: True. However, you'd never see "alsa" in lsmod, as it isn't a kernel module.
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[01:52:11] Zider: ficusplanet: ah, no, there's no alsa.ko.. but snd_blah.ko :)
[01:52:29] ficusplanet: Zider: Exactly.
[01:53:04] jonK: evening
[01:53:26] evilDagmar: Damn. Anyone gotta sample of the error Myth emits when it can't get at the ringbuffer on the disk?
[01:53:29] Zider: hm.. I wonder why mythvideo suddenly won't play some of my videos :P
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[01:58:10] jonK: im struggling to get any videos to play at all...
[01:58:52] ZMorek: details?
[01:59:11] Anduin: Zider: Which version?
[02:00:06] Zider: Anduin: latest svn
[02:00:48] fysa: latest svn of mythvideo is only playing the first file in the list for me, no matter which I select.
[02:01:16] fysa: using mplayer %s
[02:01:16] Zider: fysa: it's something similar here, but some videos do play correctly..
[02:01:32] Zider: and it's not the first that plays, just one certain dvd iso
[02:01:39] Zider: even if I change the name :P
[02:01:43] fysa: haha
[02:02:08] Anduin: Zider: Which view?
[02:02:55] fysa: http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1569#comment:6
[02:02:58] Zider: list view
[02:03:28] Anduin: Zider: and the view shows the correct file/player?
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[02:04:30] fysa: zider. maybe the player you have set specifically for certain extensions is working?
[02:04:36] Zider: Anduin: yes
[02:04:38] fysa: but the default isn't?
[02:05:10] Zider: fysa: there's nothing using the default (which is the same for everything except isos basically)
[02:05:28] Zider: also, I haven't changed those settings in weeks
[02:05:28] Bachus9000: Has anyone here successfully compiled Mythfrontend in Cygwin? Would I be able to view recordings and edit cut points if I succeeded in getting it running?
[02:05:36] Zider: and the problem showed up today :P
[02:05:51] fysa: yeah, it's a new bug in relation to that big patch.
[02:05:54] LLyric: Bachus9000: if you got it working, you could do anything the normal frontend could do
[02:05:56] fysa: http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/10852
[02:06:03] Anduin: Zider: And the commit happened last night, easy to find where the break happened, I just need more information.
[02:06:26] fysa: can I test something for you, Anduin?
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[02:06:31] Bachus9000: LLyric: 'k. I only ask because you can't view recordings when running the frontend over ssh.
[02:06:43] Anduin: fysa: You seeing the same thing as Zider?
[02:07:01] fysa: Since 10855, yes.
[02:07:12] fysa: (or earlier — I was before 10852)
[02:07:23] Anduin: fysa: Ok, so you go to list view, pick a title to play, the player is?
[02:07:36] fysa: mplayer $MPLAYERCONFIG %s is the player.
[02:07:44] Zider: 10860 is what I'm running
[02:07:44] fysa: but watching the output, %s is wrong.
[02:07:47] Zider: just checked
[02:07:59] fysa: for me, %s is always the first file in the first folder of the list view.
[02:08:12] LLyric: Bachus9000: X over ssh?
[02:08:33] LLyric: It'll be slow, but should work, if you use the right mplayer -vo
[02:08:38] fysa: video root/_Now_Playing_/123 Stuff/111.avi will always play, even if I select: video root/Television/Seinfeld/Episodeblah.avi
[02:08:41] LLyric: but audio won't work
[02:09:16] Zider: fysa: either we don't have the same problem or the bug is more complicated than that..
[02:09:34] LLyric: It'd be very useful if you could get mythfrontend working under cygwin, but a very difficult challenge, I imagine
[02:09:37] fysa: mplayer $MPLAYERCONFIG %s is the default for me.
[02:09:50] fysa: I haven't tried the internal player yet.
[02:09:59] Zider: I use xine
[02:10:39] Anduin: fysa: The internal player and external player are called with the same info.
[02:10:50] Zider: it's not the first file that plays, and it's the same file no matter what I call it.. and it doesn't play with every file I select, only a lot of them :P
[02:11:38] fysa: zider. if you switch the file browse mode where it shows every media item in one single list, is the item that's playing at the top?
[02:11:42] Bachus9000: LLyric: All I really need out of the frontend from Windows is to edit cut points.
[02:11:55] fysa: I moved the file that always played into a different folder and it just played the next one down.
[02:12:16] Bachus9000: When I try to watch a recording over X+ssh gives me an error on the console: Xlib: extension "MIT-SHM" missing on display "localhost:11.0"
[02:12:22] LLyric: Bachus9000: won't remote X11 be good enough for that?
[02:12:52] Zider: fysa: you mean browse view?
[02:12:56] Bachus9000: If I didn't get that error, then yeah. :)
[02:13:00] LLyric: Bachus9000: that just means that you need to "dumb down" the display on the remote end, so it doesn't use shm etc
[02:13:59] Bachus9000: And I'd do that how? :)
[02:14:27] fysa: don't worry about it, I don't think it would help him anyway. ;)
[02:17:03] LLyric: Bachus9000: export NO_SHM=1; before running mythfrontend
[02:17:10] LLyric: Maybe :)
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[02:20:28] Bachus9000: Well, I get a different error this time. :)
[02:21:08] Anduin: fysa, Zider: I see it, will commit a fix soon.
[02:21:40] Zider: Anduin: oh? would be interesting to know what the problem was.. :)
[02:22:33] Anduin: Zider: You'll see my shame in the commit list.
[02:22:55] Zider: ;)
[02:22:56] fysa: thanks for the fix :)
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[02:24:55] laz0r: hey guys, do you know of any sound problems with the current mythtv debian packages from debian-multimedia.org? im just upgraded and when watching livetv i get very strange/crappy sound. its not a ivtv issue, cat /vol/video0 > foo.mpg works just fine
[02:24:59] fysa: also — if changeset 10852 is your doing, thank you for the much-needed attention to mythvideo.
[02:25:39] Anduin: fysa: Yup, always happy to break things for folk.
[02:27:39] fysa: I was explaining my issue with slow loading to GreyFoxx earlier — it's not a huge deal, but it takes about 30 seconds for mythvideo to load up for me with metadata disabled. That's just how long a "find ." takes from a shell in video_root. Are there any plans for a mode that doesn't preindex every file/subfolder but pulls a directory listing when needed instead?
[02:28:26] Anduin: fysa: Not for 0.20, but eventually I hope to add it.
[02:28:50] fysa: excellent. :)
[02:29:55] evilDagmar: Hmm...
[02:30:08] evilDagmar: every section of the wiki that I touch seems to bloom up to 2x the previous size
[02:30:22] evilDagmar: I begin to wonder if maybe that's not such a good thing. heh
[02:31:29] ZMorek: whenever typing in anythin gin the search bar of the wiki
[02:31:30] Anduin: fysa Zider: should be fixed in 10861
[02:31:33] ZMorek: it automatically searches
[02:31:39] ZMorek: without hitting enter EVER
[02:33:02] Zider: Anduin: great :)
[02:33:30] Zider: "dummy items"?
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[02:34:03] Anduin: Zider: default Metadata items to represent files that don't actually exist in the DB.
[02:34:19] Zider: aha
[02:34:50] Anduin: Part of why I'm so against the DB being auto-updated :)
[02:37:02] Zider: compiling it now
[02:37:51] Zider: I'm off to see latest stargate eps meanwhile..
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[02:44:51] sigger_: how do I get back to the backend config program?
[02:45:14] Anduin: sigger
[02:45:24] Anduin: mythtv-setup
[02:45:44] ** sigger_ hides his head in shame. duh **
[02:45:53] sigger_: and thank you
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[03:08:01] fury: what does an IVTV "Error -38 on initialization" mean?
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[03:14:22] Anduin: fury: No better errors before that?
[03:14:54] Z_Morek: fury: copy the whole ivtv initialization to pastebin if you can
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[03:15:10] Z_Morek: should be in dmesg if I'm not mistaken
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[03:20:06] fury: pastebin is slow :)
[03:20:31] Z_Morek: but flooding is wreckless
[03:20:42] fury: i'd never do that
[03:20:58] fury: i meant that pastbin is really really slow today
[03:21:20] Z_Morek: oh
[03:21:27] Z_Morek: lots of peple with errors I guess...
[03:21:37] fury: http://pastebin.ca/139754
[03:21:39] Z_Morek: o linux, and your imperfections
[03:21:41] fury: horray pastbin.ca
[03:22:34] fury: i had a working config before, my mobo broke, i replaced it with a similar one, spent some time getting my sound/video/network drivers working, and now i'm at this point
[03:23:16] fury: i haven't changed any v4l options in the kernerl or anything, just the video/sound/networking ones.
[03:23:28] Z_Morek: well
[03:23:34] Z_Morek: in my LIMITED wisdom
[03:23:35] fury: ooh, and i re-emerged ivtv after all that, of course
[03:23:36] fury: :)
[03:23:57] Z_Morek: the irq...
[03:24:07] Z_Morek: i have no idea
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[03:24:17] Z_Morek: I'm pretty clueless
[03:24:20] fury: :)
[03:24:33] fury: i messed around with some irq settings to try and fix that
[03:24:35] Z_Morek: I've been living in ssh for the past 2 weeks trying to get my debian rig working
[03:24:47] fury: but i don't know if that's actually it
[03:24:48] Z_Morek: but it's a clusterfuck
[03:27:57] fury: it's disturbing that ' ivtv "no ivtv device found" ' only has 2 hits on google
[03:28:01] fury: not a good sign
[03:28:50] Anduin: fury: request_irq failed, no clue why, I'd lspci -v and cat /proc/interrupt just to poke around
[03:30:48] fury: am i just looking for things with the same IRQ?
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[03:32:23] Anduin: fury: I'm mostly sure SA_SHIRQ is just ignored now but yeah, a place to start, the function is request_irq and it should be requesting the irq you see for the device in lspci -v
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[03:34:02] fury: well /proc/interrupts doesn't have anything about my card in there
[03:34:31] Anduin: fury: Yeah, it won't is has info about hooked interrupts
[03:36:31] UbAh: hey everyone. I am missing /dev/dtv* for my PCHD300 card. any ideas?
[03:36:40] fury: so wait, where am i looking for request_irq ?
[03:37:20] Anduin: fury: That is the function call that is failing in the driver, you start with lspci -v
[03:40:15] Z_Morek: ubAh: udev / modprobe?
[03:40:34] Z_Morek: ubAh: perhaps missing firmware or modules?
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[03:49:35] UbAh: I beleive to have all the modules loaded
[03:49:37] evil_andy: ok... I can watch live "snow (with a green screen) but if I try to change channels, I get the following: NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times. over and over
[03:49:41] evil_andy: any ideas?
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[03:51:24] UbAh: how do I check if I have the correct firmware loaded
[03:56:35] evil_andy: ok, now I actually have channels I can watch...
[03:56:45] evil_andy: but still, when I go to switch channels, it fails on me...
[03:58:10] Z_Morek: UbAh: the docs for whatever driver you have for capture
[04:02:06] UbAh: well it tells me where to put them " /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware"
[04:02:53] UbAh: the docs fail to mention how to tell if the firmware is actually loading correctly though
[04:04:50] laz0r: UbAh: dmesg tells me this -> ivtv1: loaded v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw firmware (262144 bytes), so i think thats where you check if your firmware was loaded correctly
[04:04:58] grevees: what distro UbAh?
[04:05:09] UbAh: mandriva 64
[04:05:13] laz0r: UbAh: just run dmesg and search for a line like that
[04:06:33] grevees: you DL'd the latest FW from PCHD web site?
[04:07:02] grevees: and i'd also check to make sure thats where your firmware actually goes
[04:07:22] UbAh: dmesg |grep firm* comes up with nothing so I guess it is not loading
[04:07:32] grevees: I've come to notice that in Suse, and FC5 thats not where it looks for it
[04:07:58] UbAh: got the latest as of a few weeks ago
[04:08:18] grevees: and are you sure thats where the firmware NEEDS to be according to your specific distro?
[04:08:32] UbAh: no let me look
[04:08:54] grevees: cause in FC5, it goes in /lib/firmware
[04:09:07] grevees: you put it anywhere else, it won't find the card correctly
[04:10:12] UbAh: I have been following the "download the firmware" section of http://www.penlug.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DigitalTelevisionDVB
[04:10:17] grevees: if all else fails, try a reboot.... worked for my ivtv driver problems
[04:10:57] UbAh: reboots arent gonna fix it... we have been working on this for months
[04:11:14] grevees: i placed them EVERYWHERE, and nothing... even tried loading them manually... still nothing... rebooted, and all of a sudden, my PVR500 showed up... go figure
[04:11:23] grevees: ohh, I see
[04:11:38] grevees: thought you were just setting it up
[04:11:43] grevees: sry
[04:11:43] UbAh: nope
[04:12:11] UbAh: been working on one issue or another with it for a while
[04:12:19] grevees: hehehehehehe, sounds like me  :)
[04:12:27] UbAh: still cant get transcode to work properly with my specific .nuv files
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[04:13:21] UbAh: ok any idea were to find out were the firmware should be put?
[04:14:20] grevees: me, no..... I'd just do a search for some common firmware files... had to do that on my Suse system.. after I found 'em, it made things a little easier
[04:14:38] Z_Morek: UbAh does your rig have udev?
[04:14:55] UbAh: yes
[04:15:19] UbAh: in both slackware and mandriva
[04:17:02] Z_Morek: I had an issue with figuring out where to put my ivtv firmware but I forgot how I solved it...
[04:21:35] GiantPickle: Anyone successfully install and use "Mythburn DVD" script on gentoo x86... I've followed what documentation I could find and got it installed, but it's crashing on me when I try to use it.
[04:21:38] UbAh: searching it on google is driving me crazy all kinds of good documentation out there, but not enough to know what it is i am doin gwrong
[04:21:46] Z_Morek: UbAh: i just searched for my firmware /lib/firmware
[04:21:50] Z_Morek: and udev does the rest I believe
[04:23:15] UbAh: I do not have a /lib/firmware dir, does it need to be created manually
[04:24:33] Z_Morek: in my limited experience if a directory is needed and doesn't exist something is very wrong
[04:25:00] Z_Morek: then again the only firmware in there is the stuff I put there
[04:25:05] Z_Morek: so I could have created the folder as well
[04:25:09] Z_Morek: couldn't hurt to make it
[04:25:49] evilDagmar: Just make the dir and stick the files in there
[04:25:59] UbAh: yea I am kinda with you on that /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware existed previosly, so it seemed like the above mentiond doc had it right
[04:26:00] Anduin: Z_Morek: look up your specific distro version on google, people always have trouble loading firmware, you should find no shortage of entries with exactly where.
[04:26:14] evilDagmar: Well, the location for firmware files changed.
[04:26:25] evilDagmar: The _more recent, actually sane_ location is /lib/firmware
[04:26:36] evilDagmar: Having it ever under /usr was kinda stupid
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[04:27:06] evilDagmar: That was from when hotplugging was young and stupid and didn't know any better.
[04:29:00] UbAh: ok I am going to give manually creating /lib/firmware and putting the files there a try
[04:29:52] Z_Morek: Anduin: I'm not having issues, I was trying to guide UbAh without continually using his nick
[04:31:32] evilDagmar: It should really just be /lib/firmware for anything that's not depressingly out of date
[04:32:12] UbAh: hmm you know what, /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware is soft linked to /lib/hotplug/firmware
[04:33:35] Z_Morek: from what I know udev replaces hotplug in terms of functionality
[04:33:59] UbAh: is there anyway to make hotplug verbose or does it log to a file anywhere
[04:34:41] Z_Morek: man hotplug?
[04:38:51] UbAh: no man page for hotplug but googling for it now
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[04:48:50] UbAh: ok
[04:48:59] UbAh: I think I made a silly mistake on this one
[04:49:23] UbAh: those fw files are not set as executable...
[04:49:30] UbAh: I am gonna restart and brb
[04:49:40] Z_Morek: heh
[04:49:46] Z_Morek: I don't think a restart is necc...
[04:49:54] Z_Morek: chmod and try again right?
[04:50:38] UbAh: sry I dont know if we said but this is actually two ppl you are talking to
[04:50:56] Z_Morek: ........
[04:51:01] Z_Morek: that's not confusing
[04:51:04] fysa: my SUSE 10.1 install uses /lib/firmware/
[04:51:05] UbAh: hehe
[04:52:06] UbAh: just remove modules and readd them?
[04:52:32] evil_andy: this is odd... I can't seem to remove recordings from the lists...
[04:52:45] evil_andy: I can delete them, but they go from one list to another, they never just... die
[04:54:24] Z_Morek: evil_andy: lists?
[04:54:37] Z_Morek: UbAh: depmod -a
[04:54:48] Z_Morek: UbAh: modprobe [your driver here]
[04:55:06] Z_Morek: I believe, I could be wrong
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[04:55:34] Z_Morek: that's after you chmod so they're executable
[04:55:59] Z_Morek: like chmod a+x [firmware]
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[04:56:14] Anduin: They don't need to be +x
[04:56:16] Z_Morek: take everything I say with a grain of salt
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[04:56:59] Z_Morek: UbAh: yeah, they don't need to be executable
[04:57:18] Z_Morek: UbAh: when you said you forgot to make them executable I assumed they needed to be
[04:57:37] evil_andy: Z_Morek, ummmm, in the manage recordings page
[04:57:53] evil_andy: I'm still figuring mythtv out :) figured out one of my problems though!
[04:57:57] evil_andy: I think...
[04:58:03] evil_andy: we'll see
[04:58:36] Anduin: evil_andy: Check the bakcend logs.
[04:58:50] evil_andy: will do
[04:59:09] sigger_: I can't get my new backend running. Seems to not be finding its own mysqld even tho its there
[04:59:38] Anduin: sigger_: backends should share
[05:00:02] sigger_: well, I agree Anduin
[05:00:08] Z_Morek: otherwise it'd be a mess...
[05:02:00] sigger_: port 3306 is normal for mysql, right?
[05:02:16] evil_andy: Ooo
[05:02:20] evil_andy: I think it's actually working!!
[05:02:44] evil_andy: how can I watch a program AS it's being recorded? or is that not possible with just 1 tuner 800Mhz p3 etc etc...
[05:03:13] Anduin: evil_andy: You click on it, if that is software encoding, you may be pushing it.
[05:03:44] evil_andy: oh it's software encoding all the way baby! :D (gonna upgrade the machine to a dual p3 I found lying around)
[05:03:54] sigger_: hmm, ok so is it bad if I can't connect to mysql via msql -h 127.0.0.1 ?
[05:03:58] evil_andy: I found it, everything's just under different sub menu's...
[05:04:01] sigger_: er, mysql
[05:04:12] evil_andy: Ugh!
[05:04:21] evil_andy: channels are all off by one...
[05:04:43] evil_andy: I'm recording Oh! the Oxygen network?! instead of Food network (feasting on asphalt is an awesome show)
[05:05:01] Z_Morek: evil_andy: have fun with that....
[05:05:13] Z_Morek: sounds like you're in control here
[05:05:56] Anduin: evil_andy: Is every channel off by one? Or just some?
[05:06:18] evil_andy: I think I may have chosen digital cable when I actually don't have it, but let me check
[05:06:19] UbAh: be back soon
[05:06:25] UbAh: leave
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[05:07:14] evil_andy: also... no sound :(
[05:09:07] Z_Morek: evil_andy: do you have alsa configured?
[05:09:09] sigger_: can anyone help me beat up on mysql/backend?
[05:09:20] Z_Morek: evil_andy: on default I think it mutes some channels
[05:09:23] evilDagmar: sigger: Read the documentation
[05:09:43] Z_Morek: sigger_: only if you help me mutilate x
[05:09:55] sigger_: my pleasure
[05:10:58] evil_andy: Z_Morek, I think I have alsa configured, /dev/dsp and things are there, alsamixer works, shows my card...
[05:11:28] Z_Morek: evil_andy have you tried playing a test mp3 or something?
[05:11:32] evil_andy: ummmm
[05:11:36] evil_andy: negatory...
[05:11:45] evil_andy: I think my cables might not go to the right places :P
[05:11:54] evil_andy: what input does mythtv pull off the soundcard?
[05:12:00] evil_andy: for software transcoding?
[05:12:13] evilDagmar: Line Input
[05:12:18] evil_andy: hmmm
[05:12:29] evil_andy: I don't think I have an internal connector for that...
[05:12:33] evilDagmar: Yet another reason why framegrabbers should be thrown away
[05:12:45] evil_andy: can I tell it to use a different input?
[05:13:07] grevees: mythtv dot org down?
[05:13:11] evil_andy: because I think I currently have line out from the tv tuner going to the internal CD in on the sound card...
[05:13:55] evilDagmar: grevees: Kinda lookin' like it. I was about to go back to editing the wiki, too
[05:14:19] grevees: damn
[05:14:29] grevees: oh well, theres always tomarrow i guess
[05:15:30] Z_Morek: today if you live EST
[05:15:38] ** Z_Morek is a douchebag **
[05:17:42] evil_andy: lol, Anduin, I had picked the wrong lineup for xmltv :P
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[05:20:47] corfe83: I want to build a mythtv box. I'm trying to figure out what tuner card will give the best (or tied for it) quality, and I'm having some trouble finding good reviews for this sort of thing.
[05:20:58] corfe83: Are enough people on to recommend a good card to get?
[05:21:54] corfe83: also, where is a good place to read up on all these terms for a TV/broadcasting newbie? Terms like "QAM", "VSB", etc.?
[05:23:56] Z_Morek: corfe83: you going for hd?
[05:26:26] corfe83: Z_Morek: thanks for the reply. Thinking of trying hd, but a lot of these cards don't seem to support hardware mpeg2.. thinking of getting one HD card and one hauppage PVR-350
[05:26:31] corfe83: is this foolish?
[05:26:46] corfe83: I'll probably have a good nvidia card in the box and use proprietary drivers, if that matters
[05:26:46] evilDagmar: Only if you don't have any source of HD
[05:26:51] fysa: probably not a good idea to mix the PVR-500 with an HD card.
[05:27:03] corfe83: alright
[05:27:07] fysa: er
[05:27:08] fysa: I'm sorry.
[05:27:12] fysa: don't mix the PVR-350 with the HD card.
[05:27:19] fysa: the video out of the PVR-350 will be useless with the HD input.
[05:27:26] corfe83: hmm
[05:27:47] Z_Morek: hence good video card
[05:27:50] corfe83: I figured if I get one HD card it can let me watch / record HD tv, and an extra non-HD card could aid with recording a regular show (possibly simultaneously)
[05:28:01] Z_Morek: I've never heard anything good about ati and linux
[05:28:04] Z_Morek: so stick with nvidia
[05:28:12] corfe83: Z_Morek: that's my experience too
[05:28:13] fysa: I'm currently using a PVR-500 with a Fusion 5 HDTV and onboard GeForce 6150. A 6600 or better would be preferred.
[05:28:29] Z_Morek: I have a 250
[05:28:30] evilDagmar: Jesus, what the hell for
[05:28:35] Z_Morek: when it works it does the job
[05:28:38] evilDagmar: A 6150 or a 5200 is more than fine
[05:28:44] corfe83: I really want a high quality picture – no graininess, whatever the best mythtv has to offer. Any recommendations?
[05:28:51] evilDagmar: Myth is just playing back videos.
[05:28:54] Z_Morek: well ivtv actually works 99% of the time so yeah it's good
[05:29:13] evilDagmar: It's not trying to render a 30,000 poly environment with bump mapping and gourand reflectivity shading in realtime
[05:29:18] corfe83: hehe
[05:29:24] Z_Morek: yeah graininess will depend on your card, your cables, and your tv
[05:29:32] sigger_: blasted skip-networking!
[05:29:33] evilDagmar: corfe83: Don't buy a card from some no-name manufacturer then
[05:29:37] Z_Morek: and make sure you invest in a good mobo
[05:29:41] Z_Morek: nothing via
[05:29:43] corfe83: alright
[05:29:51] Z_Morek: via is notorious for weak busses
[05:29:52] evil_andy: intel is pretty decent isn't it?
[05:30:05] corfe83: I'm leaning toward something like an asus, intel, msi, or abit board for intel core 2 duo
[05:30:11] ** evil_andy is going to use Tyan for his production system **
[05:30:13] evilDagmar: Better to go with AMD if you like your money
[05:30:20] Z_Morek: a mobo that can handle a LOT of traffic.. I haven't looked at hardware in years tho
[05:30:25] corfe83: I'm also thinking about AMD for the recent pricecuts
[05:30:32] Z_Morek: I went with an nforce board and a sempron procc
[05:30:32] corfe83: yeah, I'm a little behind, just reading up on it now :/
[05:30:39] Z_Morek: 2 years ago...
[05:30:40] evilDagmar: I god**** love my X2 3800+
[05:31:09] ** evil_andy has a tyan tiger MPX with dual 2600MPs **
[05:31:22] evil_andy: it does nicely
[05:31:28] corfe83: well back to the discussion, assuming my TV and cables are excellent, and I have a signal amp if needed, is the PVR- 350 the best way to go? And should I get a good HD card too if I want to work with HD?
[05:31:32] corfe83: is this the consensus?
[05:31:46] evilDagmar: corfe83: Is HD even *available* in your area?
[05:32:00] evilDagmar: You really only need the 350 if you're wanting to avoid using an actual video card for output
[05:32:08] Z_Morek: personally
[05:32:13] Z_Morek: I'd recommend a 250 or a 500
[05:32:25] Z_Morek: depending on how much simultaneous recording you plan to do
[05:32:29] evilDagmar: Ther'es nothing particularly magical or special about the video output on the 350, and in a lot of ways you'd be better off using an actual video card.
[05:32:32] fysa: GeForce 6600s are going for $40-$50 now. They're a huge step over even a 5600 at $15-$20 less.
[05:32:32] Z_Morek: and i think the 150 is well supported by now
[05:32:40] corfe83: I honestly just moved here, and haven't checked heh. I'm assuming it is.
[05:32:45] fysa: Plus, you can get the 6600 fanless.
[05:32:54] corfe83: is that to say that if I have a good Geforce, I should go for 250 or 500 over the 350?
[05:33:00] corfe83: because the encoding wouldn't be useful?
[05:33:13] corfe83: (assuming I get a geforce with s-video out?)
[05:33:21] fysa: 150/250/500 will work fine
[05:33:23] Z_Morek: the 350's advantage is video out
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[05:33:35] Z_Morek: which isnt much of an advantage
[05:33:38] fysa: stay away from the 350 if you're going to mess with HD.
[05:33:38] Z_Morek: esp if you want hd
[05:33:43] evilDagmar: fysa: Maybe used, noname ones. Or possibly you're talking about a non-US currency.
[05:33:52] ** evil_andy is stuck using an ATI-TV Wonder **
[05:33:53] corfe83: alright
[05:34:05] Z_Morek: corfe83: I must say though, if your primary rig is also going to be a frontend
[05:34:07] evilDagmar: 5200's are still a good 1/3 less than a 6600, and the extra graphics power is just going to be *wasted* anyway
[05:34:08] evil_andy: grainy as all hell, but it seems like it works...
[05:34:13] Z_Morek: get a nice quiet case
[05:34:19] Z_Morek: I have a backend/frontend in my bedroom
[05:34:27] Z_Morek: it's not loud, but it's certainly not quiet
[05:34:37] ** evil_andy is doing a split back/frontend **
[05:34:42] Z_Morek: and I'm not a fan of casefans while sleeping...
[05:34:59] evilDagmar: About the only reason to go for a 6600 over a 5200 is if you just absolutely positively had to have a fanless video card, in which case you wouldn't be buying the low-end "relatively cheap" 660's.
[05:35:02] Z_Morek: evil_andy, how's the ati card working?
[05:35:06] evilDagmar: s/660/6600/;
[05:35:08] fysa: ebay.
[05:35:20] corfe83: fair enough.
[05:35:25] evil_andy: Z_Morek, actually, it works, I'm just having issues with mythtv in general (this is only my 2nd day using it ever)
[05:35:34] evilDagmar: fysa: By that standard you can get 5200's for $15
[05:35:38] evil_andy: Z_Morek, also, it has some brightness issues...
[05:35:45] evilDagmar: No one in their right mind buys hardware off ebay for something important
[05:35:48] fysa: if we ever see hardware-assisted H264 decoding, it may help. but that's a long shot.
[05:36:01] evilDagmar: It would be cool if you *could* do so, but there's too many ways jerks can rip people off
[05:36:15] evilDagmar: Not to mention probably half the stuff is stolen
[05:36:23] fysa: anyway.
[05:36:25] corfe83: what if I just get HD cards, do any support mpeg2 encoding, and have quality equivalent to a nice hauppauge 250 or 500?
[05:36:34] Z_Morek: evil_andy: there's always going to be issues
[05:36:40] Z_Morek: evil_andy: it's a matter of minimizing them
[05:36:42] Z_Morek: :-P
[05:37:07] evilDagmar: corfe83: dude, you're overthinking this
[05:37:12] evil_andy: Z_Morek, yup, that's why I'm still USING the tv wonder, it works, it's tv, I'm not doing any archiving here, just watching my shows
[05:37:20] evilDagmar: ...and it doesn't even make sense to compare an HD card to a non-HD card.
[05:37:26] corfe83: evildagmar: perhaps
[05:37:29] Z_Morek: evil_andy: how big's your hd?
[05:37:34] Z_Morek: hdd*
[05:37:50] fysa: if you buy a used card from a decent manufacturer, it will have a lifetime warranty. don't listen to me and buy a card that's half-decent for $30 more, just go buy a 5200 that's slower than the onboard 6150 you can get included with a $50 motherboard.
[05:38:01] corfe83: ok let me put it like this: forget about cost, say you're buying 2 decoder cards for your mythtv box, you're trying to maximize quality and minimize CPU usage, you want HD capability, what would you get?
[05:38:30] evil_andy: Z_Morek, lol, at the moment? I have 5GB free, though soon I'll throw an 80GB in there and move the mount points around... like I said, I'm still in testing stages now...
[05:38:58] corfe83: I agree a supercharged geforce probably won't do much for watching tv
[05:38:59] Z_Morek: evil_andy: throw the biggest you can, I can say from personal experience, seinfeld's add up quick
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[05:40:06] evilDagmar: corfe83: I wouldn't even bother worrying about the HD card, but I *would* start with a PVR-500 and a nice 500Gb drive or two
[05:40:21] evilDagmar: There's almost no point in not buying the 500Gb WD, since it's going for $200
[05:40:37] evilDagmar: You can always add an HD card later, after you have a clue about what you're doing
[05:40:40] corfe83: evildagmar: thanks
[05:41:06] Z_Morek: corfe83: if you're new to linux at all, start reading up on docs NOW
[05:41:07] corfe83: evildagmar: ok, that sounds good. I just didn't want to buy the card and later realize I really wanted HD.. but if I can add it later, that makes me feel good
[05:41:15] corfe83: I'm old with linux
[05:41:23] corfe83: but very new to PVR stuff
[05:41:29] Z_Morek: I was new to both
[05:41:33] Z_Morek: boy was that fun
[05:41:36] corfe83: I'm an old debian user hehe
[05:41:43] corfe83: hehe
[05:41:43] Z_Morek: google became my best friend
[05:41:54] corfe83: z_morek: hehe, I bet
[05:41:57] fysa: mythtv.org is back up.
[05:42:05] Z_Morek: something I've gathered from attempting a debian install
[05:42:21] evil_andy: Z_Morek, heh this is true, I'm gonna be building a TB raid5 array here in the near future (sub $1k) so I'll take care of that quickly with gigE and NFS or something like that...
[05:42:22] Z_Morek: sarge maybe stable but it's a bit outdated when it comes to myth
[05:43:00] Z_Morek: I THINK
[05:43:02] Z_Morek: don't quote me on that
[05:43:09] evilDagmar: corfe83: Well, trust me when I say that until you get a machine up and working, no amount of asking for comparative information is going to do you any good.
[05:43:13] corfe83: z_morek: yeah – in Debian's language, "stable" means "ancient", "testing" means "old", "unstable" means "stable", and "experimental" means "unstable"
[05:43:46] corfe83: evildagmar: fair enough. I'm probably not actually building one until next month anyways, but I'm trying to do some research on it now.
[05:43:50] evilDagmar: ...cuz right now, you might as well be shopping for a sportscar by asking people how well the steering wheel tastes when it's dipped in milk, and getting picky about the difference between 2% and swwt acidophilus.
[05:44:03] corfe83: lol
[05:44:05] evilDagmar: Just grab the basics and a PVR-500.
[05:44:21] corfe83: alright – that's good to know. Thanks.
[05:44:29] Z_Morek: evilDagmar: you have a way with words
[05:44:36] evilDagmar: ...or a 150 if you don't think you are going to want to worry about watching something when something else comes up that needs recording
[05:44:46] fysa: and if you get a HTPC case, get one that lets you use a standard ATX PSU. :P
[05:44:48] corfe83: I think the 500 sounds good
[05:45:01] Z_Morek: better safe than sorry
[05:45:07] evilDagmar: I bought the 500 from the start because I figured I'd be adding a second tuner at some point anyway
[05:45:17] evilDagmar: ...now that I'm down to a board with only three PCI slots, this is a good thing
[05:46:41] evilDagmar: DON'T get an ASUS A8V board is about the only definite motherboard recommendation
[05:46:50] grevees: anyone able to tell em how to use the alsa sound utils instead of these default k utils for my sound card?
[05:46:54] grevees: *me
[05:46:56] evilDagmar: That model has a small flaw that only affects use of PCI cards with integrated PCI bridges
[05:47:03] evilDagmar: ...meaning the board will not work at all with the PVR-500
[05:47:10] grevees: can't seem to find them anywhere in the menus
[05:47:26] evilDagmar: grevees: That's because they're not graphical tools
[05:47:32] grevees: ahh, gotcha
[05:47:35] grevees: command line
[05:48:49] grevees: thx
[05:49:17] Z_Morek: sometimes I wonder if linux will ever truly get out there for desktops
[05:49:34] evilDagmar: Not until people start reading again
[05:49:48] Z_Morek: reading or not dude, it can be complicated
[05:49:53] Z_Morek: esp when the docs are shoddy
[05:50:12] evilDagmar: Doesn't matter how shoddy the docs are when no one reads them
[05:50:15] Z_Morek: READ: my experience installing ivtv from source
[05:50:34] Z_Morek: it's more than just reading them tho
[05:50:46] corfe83: well thanks a lot for you guys' help
[05:50:47] evilDagmar: knowing what you're doing helps, yes
[05:50:57] Z_Morek: the general learning curve and getting acclimated to the whole linux thing is tough
[05:51:01] corfe83: I might be back later when I have other questions, or when I actually start building the darn thing
[05:51:01] Z_Morek: I speak from experience
[05:51:12] Z_Morek: I couldn't find my way out of a bash shell a month ago
[05:51:22] evilDagmar: Truth.
[05:51:24] Z_Morek: I just followed howto's to install stuff from prebuilt packages
[05:51:46] evilDagmar: MythTV is not the sort of thing someone should mess with if they don't already know some Linux/Unix, because it's just going to be a lot of pain
[05:51:48] Z_Morek: and now I have a vague idea of what the hell is going on
[05:51:59] Z_Morek: oops
[05:52:08] Z_Morek: mythtv was my lead in to linux
[05:52:20] Z_Morek: without it I would have had no real REASON to get things working
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[05:52:57] Z_Morek: I would have just been like "okay I installed it... now what?"
[05:53:11] evilDagmar: Z_Morek: hey man, not everyone needs a 47" chainsaw either
[05:53:21] evilDagmar: I have no problem with a lack off mass-adoption of Linux on desktops
[05:53:26] evilDagmar: Most people don't need this kind of power.
[05:53:35] evilDagmar: They would be much better served buying Macs
[05:54:07] evilDagmar: It's the ones that decide they desperately need the kind of power Linux has, who have this massive sense of entitlement that makes them think everything should be really simple that piss me off
[05:54:17] evilDagmar: Cars aren't simple.
[05:54:24] Z_Morek: that's why they have mechanics
[05:54:27] evilDagmar: Jet planes aren't simple.
[05:54:31] Z_Morek: there's no real linux mechanics out there
[05:54:40] evilDagmar: No one in their right mind would attempt to remove their own appendix.
[05:54:40] Z_Morek: not mainstream at least
[05:54:44] evilDagmar: Oh yes there are.
[05:54:49] evilDagmar: No one ever pays us tho.
[05:54:57] evilDagmar: They always just whine in mailing lists and on forums.
[05:55:05] Z_Morek: or irc like me :-P
[05:55:09] evilDagmar: You're tolerable.
[05:55:18] evilDagmar: Don't let anyone tell you otherwise
[05:55:23] Z_Morek: I've learened how to go about irc
[05:55:33] Z_Morek: don't bitch, just ask and pray someone answers
[05:55:35] Z_Morek: be detailed
[05:55:37] Z_Morek: utfg
[05:55:38] evilDagmar: If *I'm* saying your tolerable, you're fully certifiable as a civilized human.
[05:55:39] Z_Morek: utfm
[05:55:48] Z_Morek: etc. ec.
[05:55:58] Z_Morek: do I get a certificate?
[05:56:02] Z_Morek: like those mail in colleges?
[05:56:44] evilDagmar: Folks gotta learn that if they want to be able to fly to work and back, there's going to be a requisite effort involved in getting the pilot's licence, learning how to fly, getting clearances, arranging a maintenance contract and fuel allotments, etc
[05:56:55] evilDagmar: You don't just shell out the money for a helicopter and just jump in it
[05:57:02] evilDagmar: That's the fast way out of the gene pool.
[05:57:11] evil_andy: grr
[05:57:37] evil_andy: Ooo
[05:57:41] evil_andy: nm, i think it may be working
[05:57:45] evilDagmar: If they dont' like all that darn reading, they can stick with taking public transportation.
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[05:57:50] evil_andy: (wasn't picking up a new program guide)
[05:58:04] Z_Morek: ala windows xp
[05:58:09] evilDagmar: Yep
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[05:58:14] Z_Morek: the os for the masses
[05:58:26] Z_Morek: see I thought I knew computers because I knew a few tricks on xp
[05:58:32] evilDagmar: Sometimes the entire bus line catches fire, or a plague breaks out but that's the risk you take.
[05:58:50] Z_Morek: like disabling shit on startup, maybe a few programs here and there that could overclock
[05:58:54] evil_andy: Z_Morek, I agree with you about asking on irc...
[05:59:00] Z_Morek: and then linux just punched me in the face
[05:59:07] Z_Morek: and laughed at me
[05:59:13] evilDagmar: evil_andy: About your drives, have you looked at the LVM documentation yet?
[05:59:24] evil_andy: evil_andy, yup, running that on the dual athlon
[06:00:12] evilDagmar: It's a substantial amount easier (although slightly increased risk of data loss if a drive crashes) to add more disk space if you're using logical volumes
[06:00:12] evil_andy: ok, mythfilldatabase on the backend server still didn't fix the program guide...
[06:00:16] Z_Morek: evil_andy: you just acknowledged yourself....
[06:00:27] evilDagmar: evil_andy: Is the time off on it or something?
[06:00:29] evil_andy: evil_andy, yes, it's more awesome that way
[06:00:30] grevees: ok guys, got a quick question for ya 'bout mythsetup
[06:00:47] Z_Morek: shoot
[06:00:57] grevees: I got a 500MCE, and have both tuners setup to take a signal off my dishnet reciever
[06:01:05] evil_andy: evil_andy, no, it's still using the old digital cable lineup, I need it to use the cable ready lineup, and I switched it with zap2it labs... so it SHOULD be downloading the new schedule...
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[06:01:26] evil_andy: it's even showing the correct schedule in the input source listing for mythtv-setup...
[06:01:35] grevees: when i go to exit setup, I gt an error that states they are both set to start on channel 3 which doesn't exist
[06:01:44] Z_Morek: evil_andy mythfilldatabase?
[06:01:50] evilDagmar: grevees: That's a message you can ignore actually. It's just a bug
[06:01:55] grevees: is that a problem?
[06:01:59] grevees: gotcha
[06:02:02] evil_andy: Z_Morek, just finished it, still didn't fix it...
[06:02:13] grevees: thought maybe I had the tuners improperly configed
[06:02:13] evil_andy: oh wait...
[06:02:15] evil_andy: hmmm
[06:02:17] evilDagmar: evil_andy: Did you blow out the old channel listings first? I'd try that
[06:02:25] grevees: thx evil
[06:02:36] evilDagmar: I'm not sure if it's bright enough to let you really just change the type
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[06:02:39] evil_andy: evilDagmar, yeah, but I recreated them using the same name :P
[06:02:50] evilDagmar: Name the input source something else this time
[06:03:02] Z_Morek: shit it's late
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[06:03:11] evil_andy: yeah, it is late
[06:03:21] Z_Morek: I'll be back tomorrow hopefully my xorg debauchle will be resolved
[06:03:30] evil_andy: btw, thanks all for the help! I'm at least getting somewhere!
[06:03:31] Z_Morek: adios
[06:03:54] Z_Morek: just remember, when you know more about myth, help others out
[06:04:00] evil_andy: yup yup
[06:04:06] evil_andy: I've got an entire LUG to help :)
[06:04:10] grevees: anyone here use a HDTV3000??
[06:04:12] evil_andy: I'm the guinea pig
[06:04:18] Z_Morek: it really sucks posting to irc and getting no response
[06:04:29] Z_Morek: I know from experience
[06:04:47] evil_andy: oh nice, I'm down to around 15 blockages for emerge world (down from around 100) since I updated xorg manually
[06:04:48] evilDagmar: Z_Morek: The key is patience, and maybe being in a channel with IdleRPG running
[06:05:15] evil_andy: and gentoo wants me to download a gig to update my sytem... HAHA
[06:05:17] Z_Morek: evilDagmar: if the channel is buzzing along, it's very easy to get overlooked
[06:05:17] grevees: or know anything about setting up a HDTV3000 in myth??
[06:05:42] evilDagmar: Z_Morek: gotta get into the habit of "shopping" for clues
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[06:05:44] grevees: cause I seem to have 2 options
[06:05:48] Z_Morek: greeves: there's nothin in the docs?
[06:06:03] grevees: not that I can find about the setup screen options
[06:06:07] evilDagmar: Like, chicks go to the mall to buy "stuff". They have no idea what they're going to buy, but they have one or two things they might actually look for specifically
[06:06:10] grevees: how to get it workings, yeah
[06:06:15] grevees: thats easy
[06:06:25] grevees: but the setup screen options give 2 options
[06:06:35] Z_Morek: evilDagmar: I'm learning... slowly but surely, betweent he manuals, google, and a handful of irc channels
[06:06:37] evilDagmar: When you're watching a support channel, if you don't immediately find the answer you want, you sit and watch and maybe see some other information come across that will be useful anyway
[06:07:05] grevees: 1.) setup as a DVB -with the correct tuner, and 2.) actually set it up with the option of pcHDTV2000/3000
[06:07:10] Z_Morek: yeah in other words, ask, leave irc up, go read war and peace, come back, look and see if anything good popped up
[06:07:27] evilDagmar: Nah, I'd say actually pay attention to the other problems that are being solved.
[06:07:28] Z_Morek: :-P
[06:07:51] grevees: have an opinion Z_Morek??
[06:07:56] evilDagmar: ...you never know if one of those might be *your* problem in a day or two after you've solved your current one.
[06:08:15] Z_Morek: grevees: I have no idea, I'm pretty ignorant to the whole HD thing, I have a pvr250.. that's it
[06:08:19] evilDagmar: Damn
[06:08:19] grevees: :)
[06:08:22] grevees: gotcha
[06:08:34] evilDagmar: Someone put a thing up on the wiki that made it look like 0.19.1 was just released and i got all excited
[06:08:39] grevees: hmm, maybe a little trial and error.... or if I'm lucky just trial
[06:09:09] grevees: ever see one of these cards?
[06:09:28] grevees: I think they screwed the coax input big time
[06:09:29] Z_Morek: evilDagmar: you really live on those wiki's dont you?
[06:09:49] Z_Morek: grevees: my coax input is obnoxious
[06:09:56] Z_Morek: so's my ir plug
[06:10:07] Z_Morek: that's probably the case though, the backpanel sticks out
[06:10:08] evil_andy: ok... this one I can't figure out...
[06:10:11] Z_Morek: so it's hard to plug stuff in
[06:10:16] evilDagmar: Z_Morek: Dude, they're incredibly handy for documenting stuff
[06:10:18] grevees: well, out of the back plate, they give you about 2 turns of the connecter before you're capped out
[06:10:28] evil_andy: when I go to change channels (after doing "watch tv") I get this in the log...
[06:10:30] evil_andy: NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times.
[06:10:35] evil_andy: and I have NO clue...
[06:10:35] grevees: its about 1/8 inch sticking out
[06:10:49] grevees: normal coax will not work
[06:10:59] Z_Morek: evil_andy you tried google / the docs ?
[06:11:04] grevees: custom cable with long center pin
[06:11:24] evil_andy: ya ya, I was just bitching and moaning :) I'm gonna do the rounds, just giving you all a chance to do some research too :D
[06:11:37] Z_Morek: evil_andy: I have enough of my own to do :-P
[06:12:09] Z_Morek: evil_andy: I might actually post to a bug tracker or something about it I'm getting so little in searching
[06:12:17] grevees: why is it you can't find a COMPLETE install doc on myth??
[06:12:29] Z_Morek: yeah they're patchy
[06:12:31] Z_Morek: what distro?
[06:12:34] evil_andy: because... noone has actually ever installed it fully...
[06:12:36] evilDagmar: greves: Becaus eyou're not looking
[06:12:39] evil_andy: it's a myth
[06:12:41] evil_andy: ;)
[06:12:44] Z_Morek: lame
[06:12:47] ** evil_andy is going to bed now **
[06:12:47] grevees: I'm ahving to use a hybrid of the original myth install doc, fedora core 4 doc, and fedora core 5 doc
[06:12:59] evil_andy: cya all later. btw, the best doc I've seen sofar, is the one for gentoo
[06:13:01] Z_Morek: so you're using the wilsonet.com guide?
[06:13:05] evilDagmar: grevees: http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInstall
[06:13:08] evil_andy: and it was the easiest setup (for me anyhow)
[06:13:32] evilDagmar: grevees: I had it all running from source in a few hours using that
[06:13:54] Z_Morek: grevees: I had a fc3 install, the wilsonet guide is absolutely EVERY step listed
[06:13:55] evilDagmar: grevees: the reason you dont' see it as "complete" is because you don't know how to do all the things you probably needed to know
[06:14:03] grevees: yeah, read it.... somethings that are fedora specific aren't in it... I'm not complaining, but just wondering
[06:14:15] evil_andy: ok, now I have the correct channels, (without info) let's see if mythfilldatabase screws it up!
[06:14:21] evilDagmar: That's because they're probably cockeyed fedora-isms
[06:14:22] Z_Morek: third time: www.wilsonet.com/fcmyth.php
[06:14:35] Z_Morek: or whatever his page is
[06:14:45] grevees: well, alot of these docs take you from the install disc all the way to watching tv... but sem to leave out little tid-bits of info along the way
[06:15:02] evilDagmar: grevees: MythTV is not for people who don't know any Linux/Unix.
[06:15:10] evil_andy: this is quite true...
[06:15:11] Z_Morek: I second that
[06:15:17] Z_Morek: I got my ass handed to me
[06:15:18] grevees: I'm beginning to see that
[06:15:21] evilDagmar: You're supposed to *know* most of those "little tid-bits".
[06:15:25] grevees: :)
[06:15:27] Z_Morek: it sucks
[06:15:29] Z_Morek: let me tell you
[06:15:33] grevees: if that ain't the truth
[06:15:38] evilDagmar: Like, by the third grade, you're expected to already know about wiping before leaving the bathroom
[06:15:46] Z_Morek: I came across a GREAT little thing tho
[06:15:52] Z_Morek: evilDagmar: again... a way with words
[06:16:05] Z_Morek: and using them to downtrod the noobs
[06:16:23] evilDagmar: Z_Morek: I don't see my being able to speak noobish as being a problem.
[06:16:37] evilDagmar: I'm not going to pat them on the head and say "Oh what a smart puppy you are"!
[06:16:52] Z_Morek: true
[06:16:59] evilDagmar: That would be both insulting and disingenuous, in addition to not doing them any actual good.
[06:16:59] Z_Morek: grevees: http://www.cs.kent.edu/~volkert/QuickRefCards . . . uxManual.pdf
[06:17:05] Z_Morek: that'll help you through some tough spots
[06:17:12] grevees: thx
[06:17:15] grevees: saving it now
[06:17:26] Z_Morek: it's just basic admin stuff
[06:17:28] Z_Morek: but it's useful
[06:17:33] grevees: see, thats what I need
[06:17:38] Z_Morek: I think their chmod is too number based
[06:17:40] evil_andy: no
[06:17:41] evil_andy: oops
[06:17:44] grevees: alot of peeps will say, well run a check for this
[06:17:53] evilDagmar: If folks are missing knowledge on absolute basic stuff, they need to know it and they need to keep hearing it until either they manage to learn it the hard way, or they get tired of hearing about it and track down a basic unix primer and spend (no joke) 30 minutes reading it.
[06:17:55] Z_Morek: google is God when it comes to linux
[06:18:06] grevees: and I'm like "I have no clue how to even check for this"  :)
[06:18:14] Z_Morek: welcome to linux
[06:18:16] Z_Morek: it's a bumpy ride
[06:18:20] evilDagmar: grevees: Oh you will eventually learn
[06:18:20] Z_Morek: but I'm told it pays off in the end
[06:18:29] evilDagmar: ...then you'll switch to another distro...
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[06:18:38] evilDagmar: ...and you'll have to learn how THEY set up their stuff...
[06:18:41] Z_Morek: out of curiositiy
[06:18:49] Z_Morek: evilDagmar: what distro do you use?
[06:18:58] grevees: see, I used Debian for a little over 6 months, but then with getting married, move, losing job, going back to school, it got put on the back burner
[06:18:59] Z_Morek: I'm guessing slack
[06:19:00] evilDagmar: ...and then you'll get pissed off about it, and figure out what it is their sappy little scripts are doing so you don't have to care what distro you're looking at anymore.
[06:19:14] evilDagmar: THEN, you will be a sensei
[06:19:33] Z_Morek: I rescind my guess
[06:19:34] evilDagmar: Z_Morek: I use "whatever's handy".
[06:19:40] ** evil_andy started with RH 4.2 **
[06:19:44] Z_Morek: and change my guess to self-assembled
[06:19:57] grevees: then when I came back and got into Myth, Debian didn't support my hardware, and still doens't... so it was time for a new distro
[06:19:57] Z_Morek: with bare hands
[06:19:58] evilDagmar: Z_Morek: One of my partitions sets is anyway
[06:20:00] Z_Morek: and hot code
[06:20:11] Z_Morek: from the fires of linus's mind
[06:20:18] evil_andy: went with RH all through FC1, then FC2 pissed me off, and I went to gentoo, since then I've been dabbling with debian for quick, stable systems (apt-proxy :))
[06:20:18] Z_Morek: and the temple of GNU
[06:20:52] Z_Morek: evilDagmar: am I right?
[06:20:58] evil_andy: HOT ****! thanks guys, program guide is now set up and correct
[06:21:16] evilDagmar: I don't know what goes on in Linus' head
[06:21:17] grevees: I still can't figure out why they (Debian, Ubuntu) don't support SATA DVD-ROM drives right out the box
[06:21:23] evilDagmar: I just make stuff that works
[06:21:27] Z_Morek: yet
[06:21:43] Z_Morek: you just don't have the right scripts
[06:21:47] grevees: me?
[06:21:51] Z_Morek: evilDagmar
[06:21:56] evilDagmar: grevees: Probably because stuff actually has to be on the market for a bit for it to get Linux support
[06:21:56] Z_Morek: to read linus's mind :-P
[06:22:08] evilDagmar: ...I didn't even know there WERE any SATA optical units
[06:22:10] grevees: SATA dvd rom have been out for over 1 1/2 years
[06:22:17] Z_Morek: reverse engineering is a bitch
[06:22:31] Z_Morek: and few make proprietary drivers for linux
[06:22:36] evilDagmar: That may be true, but Blue-ray has been around that long and you don't see it in anything much yet, now do you?
[06:22:41] Z_Morek: not that the hardcore linux users would use proprietary
[06:22:44] grevees: BEst buy has had em for about 1 year already, and they were on the net (New Egg, etc) for longer than that
[06:22:58] grevees: yeah, but blu ray is NEW tech
[06:23:05] grevees: totally new
[06:23:09] Z_Morek: brand spanking?
[06:23:10] evilDagmar: Not exactly
[06:23:14] grevees: SATA DVD is just really a cable change
[06:23:30] Z_Morek: for the longest time smartd didn't work with SATA
[06:23:44] Z_Morek: they got around to it not long ago
[06:23:49] Z_Morek: and SATA drives have been around a while
[06:24:02] evilDagmar: Her'es another big hint... NewEgg has 114 IDE optical drives, and a grand total of THREE SATA optical drives
[06:24:26] Z_Morek: if linux programmers don't have it, they don't need drivers for it
[06:24:27] evilDagmar: Hardly anyone is making them and even fewer are shipping them
[06:24:30] Z_Morek: and they won't make drivers for it
[06:24:31] grevees: yeah, cause there are only like what 2 makers??
[06:24:36] Z_Morek: which means there are no drivers for it
[06:24:42] grevees: Plextor, and I beleive LG
[06:24:52] Z_Morek: I thought LG just made phones
[06:24:53] evilDagmar: Buy one, and ship it to someone who has worked on similar drivers
[06:24:56] grevees: Samsung may be in the game too
[06:25:20] evilDagmar: NewEgg shows Lite-On and Plextor
[06:25:30] grevees: ok, Lite-On and not LG
[06:25:40] grevees: my bad
[06:25:48] Z_Morek: oh
[06:25:53] Z_Morek: okay
[06:25:56] Z_Morek: anyways
[06:25:58] Z_Morek: I'm crashin
[06:26:00] Z_Morek: peace
[06:26:03] grevees: but LG does make computer hardware
[06:26:16] evilDagmar: Besides which, motherboards are still *all* coming with at least one PATA port on them, and optical drives (not even blue-ray) simply do not need the bandwidth yet
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[06:26:26] grevees: have a sony dvd rom driv I flashed with a LG flash...
[06:26:50] grevees: yeah, but PATA has already one foot in the grave, soon to be two
[06:26:51] evilDagmar: Yeah LG makes nice drives that erase their firmware when you send them a reset signal
[06:27:24] grevees: MB makers will soon force us down a SATA path
[06:27:24] evilDagmar: grevees: Doubtful. Very doubtful. We'll have at least a year of manufacturers referring to the IDE PATA interface as the "optical drive connector"
[06:27:48] evilDagmar: Most of the motherboards out now have both SATA and PATA
[06:27:59] grevees: yeah, whn I said soon, i dind;t mean 3–4 months, I meant 1–1.5 years
[06:28:05] evilDagmar: Longer than that
[06:28:12] grevees: yeah, 8 SATA, 1 PATA
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[06:28:27] grevees: SATA just makes more sense
[06:28:32] evilDagmar: Optical drives just don't need the stuff SATA provides
[06:28:39] grevees: neither do HD
[06:28:47] grevees: HD's can't even reach the throughput
[06:28:49] evilDagmar: Yes they do
[06:29:04] evilDagmar: Latency is another matter entirely, and you're talking about sustained throughput
[06:29:09] grevees: yes
[06:29:19] evilDagmar: WIthin the bounds of the size of their cache buffers, they *do* reach those speeds they flaunt
[06:30:40] grevees: but see, I want to see sustained speeds, not just every blue moon, and even then for only a few secs
[06:30:56] grevees: same things with home amplifiers
[06:31:00] grevees: for home audio
[06:31:09] grevees: they CLAIM to push out 500 watts
[06:31:19] grevees: RMS is actually more like 200–250
[06:31:24] evilDagmar: "A few seconds"... How often do you need umm... 300–1Gb of data off the disk and into RAM at that rate?
[06:31:41] evilDagmar: Yeah, but they're not saying "RMS 500W"
[06:31:57] grevees: yes, but they market it as 500 WATTS power
[06:32:08] evilDagmar: Anyway, if you actually need to see that kind of throughput _sustained_ then you need to construct a RAID array
[06:32:34] grevees: yeah, agree
[06:32:42] evilDagmar: grevees: and they expect that if you are smart enough to do anything that matters with that information besides grunt and scratch yourself, then you'll know it's not RMS
[06:33:04] grevees: yeah, Been around that game for well over 15 years
[06:33:10] evilDagmar: These numbers are not just misinformation. They're there to give people some simply number to grunt and point at
[06:33:12] grevees: but many out there have NO clue
[06:33:20] grevees: and thats where the problem lies
[06:33:31] evilDagmar: Intel is basically fucking themselves I think with this new crazy-assed numbering scheme
[06:33:43] grevees: they have been for years
[06:33:56] evilDagmar: "We'll do away with the clockcycle obsession by making our system numbering scheme entirely random!"
[06:33:57] grevees: but their new processor kills AMD
[06:34:11] evilDagmar: I think that's a bit of an exaggeration, and AMD hasn't released yet
[06:34:22] grevees: well, not exactly random, but hell, even going on their site I still can't figure it out
[06:34:49] evilDagmar: This is the nature of competition. Intel releases something newer/faster/better, then AMD releases something newer/faster/better, then Intel releases something newer/faster/better
[06:34:56] grevees: according to maixum PC they killed AMD's best in every catagory
[06:34:59] evilDagmar: There's no need to get excited about one release
[06:35:07] grevees: yeah, I agree
[06:35:15] grevees: but no word yet form the AMD camp
[06:35:19] grevees: *from
[06:35:31] evilDagmar: Otherwise, where was all this bloodthirst for the last, oh, three to five years or so when AMD has been steadily ahead of Intel in just about everything
[06:35:32] grevees: I'm still waiting for their Intel killer
[06:35:50] grevees: there wasn't
[06:35:58] evilDagmar: I say it's about time Intel showed that they werne't just going to up and die
[06:36:07] grevees: for years AMD was beatin' to a pulp, then they almost rose form the ashes
[06:36:13] evilDagmar: Huh?
[06:36:14] evilDagmar: Hardly
[06:36:21] grevees: in the beginning
[06:36:32] evilDagmar: AMD has had intel beat for dollar per clockcycle for most of the last decade
[06:36:40] grevees: then they started coming out with bigger and better, doing more with less
[06:37:17] grevees: but it all goes back to what most people see/believe higher the number, it must be better
[06:37:22] evil_andy: haha I love gentoo's ebuild...
[06:37:23] evilDagmar: ...and *how* long exactly did it take Intel to finally start getting some 64-bit chips actually into people's hands?
[06:37:34] grevees: years
[06:37:44] evil_andy: gotta love this message (they stripped down the CFLAGS so that the build would happen properly)
[06:37:50] evil_andy: Don't complain because your -momfg-fast-speed CFLAG is being stripped
[06:37:54] evilDagmar: So don't get all excited because Intel has a release that's faster than AMD's
[06:38:06] evilDagmar: This is like the madness that ATI had going against nVidia
[06:38:10] grevees: I'm not, I'm just waiting for what AMD has up their sleeve
[06:38:23] evil_andy: I have the core duo on my macbook pro, I like it... but i would have prefered an AMD
[06:38:30] evilDagmar: THey'd release a card that was 40% faster than nVidia's fastest card, but unfortunately cost 40% more
[06:38:49] evilDagmar: ...conveniently ignoring the fact that it's kind of hard to mass-market vend a video card costing $600
[06:38:55] grevees: well, Nvidia is the graphics leader hands down as of now
[06:39:12] grevees: ATI has nothing going for it as of yet
[06:39:22] evilDagmar: Sure, you can pour money on a project like it's going out of style and make it faster/better, but it's _efficiency_ and _economy_ that matter
[06:40:00] grevees: evil, seen that new Physics card yet?
[06:40:04] evilDagmar: grevees: I think ATI screwed themselves trying to cater to that ubergamer market that unfortunately only includes people willing to shell out $600 every nine months to keep their video cards up to date
[06:40:24] evilDagmar: Oh I practically predicted when the physics cards would come out to within two months
[06:40:37] grevees: bad thing is, their cards cost 50% more than nvidia, and their benchmarks don't even come close to Nvidias
[06:40:38] evilDagmar: I just figured it would be nVidia coming out with them first
[06:41:01] grevees: yeah, waste of money
[06:41:19] grevees: but MS is shelling out big bucks to enter the market now....
[06:41:29] evilDagmar: Well, if you're going for super-detailed realism, a dedicated physics processor is a godsend
[06:41:52] evilDagmar: ...but frankly, I'm perfectly happy if my frags land in a pseudo-random pattern instead of a truly random one.
[06:41:55] grevees: yeah, but nothign is supporting it right now... and those games that do, don't even really support it
[06:42:47] grevees: saw a report on a few games that "support" it. and from what i read, there was truely no difference in appearence
[06:43:03] evilDagmar: Give it another two years (three release cycles) and we'll see some stuff happening with dedicated physics cards, or they'll be gone as a fad
[06:43:12] grevees: all OSO acted the same with or without the card
[06:43:19] evilDagmar: It's all a matter of what comes down the pipe on the PS3 and WII fronts
[06:43:26] grevees: yulp, agree.... thats why I'm waiting
[06:43:35] grevees: WII??
[06:43:51] evilDagmar: I kinda think Sony may be about to clean Microsoft's clock if they can just get the price down a bit
[06:43:56] evilDagmar: Nintendo's new console
[06:44:03] grevees: ohh, yeah, duh, sry
[06:44:14] grevees: yeah, 600 USD... tad bit steep
[06:44:33] evilDagmar: Game coders are coming away from Microsoft's 360 dev materials shaking their heads, and coming away from the PS3 dev docs looking thoughtful
[06:44:48] evilDagmar: I think that might make all the difference in the world
[06:45:18] evilDagmar: 'cuz like, the Nintendo DS is a great little unit, and should probably be cleaning the PSP's clock, but damn... half the titles for it are "Coming Fall 2006"
[06:45:30] grevees: but NEways, evil, i'm off to bed... 1:44 am here and I'm beat... been up since 5am
[06:45:37] evilDagmar: Doesn't matter how cool your hardware is if no one's putting out titles for it
[06:45:42] grevees: agree
[06:45:50] grevees: Neo-Geo??
[06:46:13] grevees: ever heard of it?
[06:46:23] evilDagmar: I don't think they count. They were split-market and that hurt them. They should have focused on home or arcade use, not both
[06:46:48] grevees: I beleive MSRP home unit was around 7–800USD
[06:46:55] evilDagmar: It made them too expensive for the home, and the arcade units seem hacked together
[06:47:05] grevees: and that was back in 1991–2???
[06:47:15] evilDagmar: Yep
[06:47:27] evilDagmar: That was _cheap_ if you were buying a stand-up console to put in an arcade
[06:47:36] grevees: I can still remember begging for one for Christmas... got a SNES instead
[06:47:49] grevees: glad I did
[06:48:30] grevees: and thats what they were banking on, a perosn that wanted a ARCADE console for their home
[06:48:43] grevees: ARCADE qualtiy
[06:49:05] grevees: but I'm off to bed
[06:49:15] grevees: nice chatting with ya
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[06:49:19] evilDagmar: pzpz
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[08:14:29] JoelMax: hi
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[08:46:53] Zambezi: Is this a nice guide to follow? http://hyams.webhop.net/mythtv/myth_ubuntu.html
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[09:06:33] siXy: does the myth interface use opengl?
[09:09:49] Anduin: siXy: Which version are you running?
[09:12:24] siXy: the most recent stable one
[09:12:40] Anduin: siXy: Then no, not really.
[09:12:41] siXy: 0.9 iirc
[09:12:48] siXy: *0.19
[09:13:14] siXy: what does it draw the interface with?
[09:13:32] Anduin: siXy: Qt
[09:14:07] siXy: thanks
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[09:45:52] evilDagmar: ...and crayons.
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[11:55:35] JoelMax: how i can take fix the noise and static with ivtv 0.4.6?
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[12:46:21] speedsix: hi all
[12:47:45] Hoxzer: hi you
[12:49:14] Hoxzer: :(
[12:49:36] speedsix: Can anyone think why mythfilldatabase doesn't fill channel data for a particular channel when running the grabber manually reveals it does actually download the data. xmltv_id field in the db is correct
[12:49:41] speedsix: Howdy!
[12:50:54] JohnQ: Is there any reasonable way to update the channels (the guys at zap2it changed my lineup FINALLY to be correct) without restarting the backend?
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[13:18:30] sunnyhours4130: Do most people find that the stock xbox hard drive is adaquate for mythtv xbox front end installations?
[13:23:21] JohnQ: Dangit.. Which of these 80,bajillion setup screens has the OST them,e
[13:23:56] Juski: OST theme?
[13:24:00] Juski: OSD theme?
[13:24:07] JohnQ: ya that :-)
[13:24:11] Juski: that'd be the settings > tv playback one... near the end
[13:24:17] JohnQ: sorry.. tired. Having trouble typing.
[13:24:24] Juski: the 476th press of the 'next' key
[13:24:54] fish_: re
[13:25:16] Juski: I hope the OSD stuff moves into the appearance menu soon
[13:26:25] JohnQ: Yaay!
[13:26:51] JohnQ: Now... is there a way to preview these suckers without having to go back and forth from this menu to atching tv and back?
[13:27:04] Juski: no not the OSD menu. good idea though
[13:27:15] Juski: although you could look in the wiki for screenshots
[13:28:03] Juski: setting up mythtv & getting it installed properly is one thing... tweaking the bugger is quite another ;)
[13:28:29] JohnQ: Heh indeed.
[13:28:53] JohnQ: Strangely.. the OSD themes I have installed.. do not match the ones with screenshots on the wiki :-)
[13:29:29] Juski: so post new screenshots. somebody has to do it
[13:29:48] Juski: too much SEP going on in the wiki
[13:30:28] Juski: hmmm I think a brushed aly effect for the 2.0 release of my mythtv themes, mmmyerrrrs
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[13:34:38] antiPosix: will mythtv work without ALSA?
[13:34:52] antiPosix: I have a semi-working mythtv box, but no audio
[13:35:17] Juski: mythtv will work with OSS... check the wiki to see if there's a howto or faq about it
[13:35:26] antiPosix: I have a cheapo ATI TV Wonder (VE) card. it has audio out plugged into the line-in on my sound card
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[13:37:32] JohnQ: Wow... the channel icons are MINISCULE!
[13:37:46] sunnyhours4130: antiposix does the audio work if you use your linux frontend
[13:38:18] sunnyhours4130: ?
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[13:43:55] JohnQ: Okay.. on the playback menu... there are a bunch of little icons associated with each show... the hour glass is expire... the broken yellow circle is the comertial flags.. and the heart is the saved position.. and the gear means its being edited.. but what does the dollar sign with a line through it?
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[13:46:50] Sebulba02: I don't see any icons.. but maybe that one means it'll make you pay to watch it :)
[13:47:27] Juski: JohnQ: commercial flag
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[13:48:00] Juski: I need to update my icons to meaningful ones. they're just not intuitive enough
[13:48:53] JohnQ: then whats the yellow circle?
[13:49:08] Juski: oh yeah while I remember too – a red 'C' in the program guide signifying a 'record on this channel'.. that has to change too I think. Have it green instead. Green == good. red == bad ;)
[13:49:27] Juski: JohnQ varies from theme to theme
[13:49:43] Juski: there's a key you can press to bring up a key for the symbols I think
[13:49:45] ** JohnQ varies from theme to theme? **
[13:50:12] Juski: yeah the theme designer makes the icons for ui.xml – i.e. all the icons you see in the program guide, recorded shows list etc
[13:51:03] JohnQ: No.. it was a joke. I thought you were saying that *I* vary from theme to theme :-)
[13:52:18] Juski: oh dear
[13:52:29] Juski: I've lost my sense of humour these last couple of weeks
[13:52:35] Juski: bear with me
[13:53:42] JohnQ: hmm when I press '/' .. it changes the show's text to yellow.. and moves to the next one... wth is that?
[13:54:29] Juski: rtfm :)
[13:54:58] Sebulba02: lol
[13:54:58] JohnQ: the manuals in my experience is way out of date... which one are you referring to?
[13:55:03] Juski: making a pdf of a quick reference sheet is somewhere on my todo list
[13:55:28] antiPosix: does mythtv work with Redhat 7.2?
[13:55:36] antiPosix: without much work
[13:57:21] Juski: aaaaaand.. like I've not moaned enough about stuff lately.. I reckon there should be a common style guide for the themes so that all pictographical icons immediately mean the same thing to everybody. some of them I've seen take a leap of imagination to see them for what they represent ;)
[13:58:15] Juski: of course it'd be a bitch to get folks to agree on what the 'standard' is – not everybody thinks the same way. The ISO graphics people have a hard time I expect
[13:58:56] Juski: antiPosix: no idea, but I've heard it can be a pig. How old is RH 7.2 anyway?
[13:59:08] Sebulba02: Or just make it easy to see what the icons mean or make them changeable and people will be able to learn.
[13:59:41] Juski: like I said there's a key you can bring up on screen. I've seen it
[13:59:51] JohnQ: ya.. it's '1'
[14:00:47] Juski: or F1
[14:00:59] Sebulba02: it's 1, I just tried it
[14:01:16] Juski: making a pictorial guide for people to print out & keep handy would be a waste of time ;)
[14:01:53] Sebulba02: what does a heart have to do with a bookmark?
[14:02:23] Juski: I remember someone on the users mailing list once suggested training kids & testing them at regular intervals. I hope he was joking about that. someone else commented "yeah, and if they get it wrong, cut off one of their limbs to make sure they remember next time"
[14:02:57] Juski: Sebulba02: see my earlier point ;)
[14:02:59] Sebulba02: testing them on... ?
[14:03:12] Juski: Sebulba02: how to work mythtv
[14:03:30] Sebulba02: for a kid, that shouldn't be a problem
[14:03:42] Sebulba02: a senior, maybe, that'd be difficult..
[14:03:44] Juski: sit them down, show them, teach them, and TEST them.. like wtf? nice regime for kids I'm sure. spot-tests in the home? get outta here
[14:04:52] Sebulba02: now if I just knew why mythmusic was crashing
[14:06:21] jams: heart = love = favorite spot = bookmark
[14:07:01] jams: thats how it was explained to me anyhow
[14:08:12] Sebulba02: riiiiiight
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[14:14:37] JohnQ: I'm getting occasional failed assertions. Report em here? or in #mythtv?
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[14:15:10] jono: hi all
[14:15:35] jono: my myth box is full and I want to put my recordings on a DVD
[14:15:51] jono: how do I convert nuv files to something I can put on a DVD?
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[14:16:59] GreyFoxx: jono: Running 0.19 or SVN? SVN has a new plugging called MythArchive for that sort of thing, with 0.19 I think the best option is nuvexport. Unforuntately I'm not very well versed in either as it's not something I do a lotof
[14:17:12] jono: I am on 0.19
[14:17:13] GreyFoxx: s/plugging/plugin
[14:17:52] JohnQ: you mean me? 0.19
[14:18:09] JohnQ: hah... oh.. nevermind
[14:18:38] GreyFoxx: :)
[14:19:58] jono: ok, seems nuvexport is the best way forward, where are the docs? has anyon here use it ?
[14:20:24] Juski: jono: I've used nuvexport – but never to export to dvd
[14:20:41] jono: hey Juski
[14:20:42] Juski: it's very easy to use though
[14:20:46] Juski: hey jono :)
[14:20:50] jono: what do you need to run it?
[14:20:52] GreyFoxx: jono: I'm not sure what sort of docs are on it's site, but the interface is pretty straight forward
[14:20:55] jono: it doesnt say its dependencies
[14:21:10] Juski: ffmpeg, with exporting compiled in
[14:21:11] jono: is it a command line thing or a mythtv module?
[14:21:33] GreyFoxx: hmmm ffmpeg, transcode (optional), other than that I'm not sure
[14:21:38] Juski: jono: it's a bunch of perl scripts tied quite nicely together. i was surprised how well easy it is
[14:21:38] GreyFoxx: commandline
[14:21:53] jono: ok, and do I run it onthe myth box, or do I feed it a nuv file?
[14:21:55] Juski: you run it from a commandline, then it goes to a menu
[14:22:07] Juski: jono: I have it installed here gimme a sec
[14:22:08] GreyFoxx: yeah, xris (mythweb developer) made it and it works will, will even use any myth cutlists you have
[14:22:26] jono: thanks Juski
[14:23:00] GreyFoxx: I've usedit to convert the odd recording here and there to an xvid avi, just never to make a dvd
[14:23:14] Juski: export to dvd is number 5 in the first menu...
[14:23:16] GreyFoxx: mytharchive looks very spiffy though
[14:24:01] jono: yeah, I will use mytharchive when I upgrade
[14:24:10] jono: Juski: so do I run it on the myth box?
[14:24:12] Juski: ah I think what nuvexport does is make dvd compliant mpeg files from your recordings
[14:24:16] Juski: jono: yup
[14:24:21] Juski: needs to run on the backend
[14:24:33] jono: Juski: ok, and uses a gui?
[14:24:39] Juski: not quite ;)
[14:24:45] jono: a command line menu ?
[14:24:56] GreyFoxx: Juski: Ahh,soit prepares the mpegs but you need to use something else to build the DVD vobs/directories ?
[14:25:13] jams: jono, yes its a command line menu
[14:25:15] Juski: yes. mythburn might be better for you right now but I warn you now it can be a BITCH to install
[14:25:36] Juski: GreyFoxx: AFAICT it just prepares the files
[14:25:41] GreyFoxx: okie
[14:25:57] Juski: oh sod that. ickle 800mhz athlete only does 2fps
[14:26:07] jams: correct it just prepares the files
[14:26:20] GreyFoxx: Maybe tonight I'll give mytharchive a shot
[14:26:42] Juski: jono: you're running dapper aren't you? I had a go setting mythburn up & never managed it
[14:26:55] jono: Juski: its running breezy
[14:27:14] jams: after working around the incomplete batch job interface, it worked rather well with nuv2disc
[14:27:34] GreyFoxx: Juski: 2fs? ewww
[14:28:16] jono: jams: nuv2disc?
[14:28:44] Juski: jono: nuvexport will do a nice job of exporting recordings & metadata though – you could always archive em to dvd in the file format they come out in
[14:28:58] jono: yeah
[14:29:14] jono: can I make them playable from DVD, so it plays in a normal DVD player?
[14:29:56] Juski: not easily
[14:30:00] jono: ahhh
[14:30:22] jono: so I really need to convert them to mpeg and then use something else to burn them to DVD
[14:30:45] jono: hmmm
[14:30:47] jono: Loading MythTV recording info.
[14:30:47] jono: DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Unknown column 'basename' in 'field list' at mythtv/recordings.pm line 67.
[14:30:48] jono: No valid recordings found!
[14:30:53] jono: thats when I run nuvexport
[14:30:56] GreyFoxx: yeah. Lots of players can handle xvid or windowsmeda formats these days, but I haven't seen any thatcould handle a .nuv container
[14:31:01] Juski: jono: you're still on 0.18 ?
[14:31:05] jono: maybe I need som emysql perl bindings
[14:31:09] jono: Juski: yep
[14:31:18] Juski: jono: you need an older version of nuvexport
[14:31:22] jono: ahhh shit
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[14:31:28] jono: any idea which version?
[14:31:43] Juski: hang on you might be able to change the query in the script.. I'll have a look
[14:32:13] jono: okcool
[14:32:15] GreyFoxx: http://forevermore.net/files/nuvexport/archive/
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[14:32:36] jono: GreyFoxx: yeah just not sure which one to use
[14:33:01] GreyFoxx: yeah, honestly I wouldgo with something dated the same time as 0.18 came out, but that's hardly scientific :)
[14:33:29] Juski: should be quite easy to do away with the 'basename' SQL queries
[14:33:40] jono: ok working with0.2
[14:34:52] GreyFoxx: Maybe wecan convince xris to use a new numbering scheme after 0.20 comes out
[14:35:00] jono: hmmm it says all the options are disabled
[14:35:16] Juski: jono: ubuntu ffmpeg is kinda crippled as standard
[14:36:10] jono: hmmm
[14:36:12] jono: so do I lose?
[14:36:15] jams: GreyFoxx- last time I asked the response was "i don't believe in release or revisions numbers"
[14:36:32] GreyFoxx: heh
[14:36:33] jono: Unrecognizeable yuvdenoise version string.
[14:36:36] jono: thats what I get
[14:36:49] jono: so maybe I need to compile ffmpeg
[14:37:03] GreyFoxx: jams: I'll ask anyway, worst I can be told is "no" :)
[14:37:25] Juski: jono: possibly. I know I had to to get most of the options to enable
[14:37:40] jams: true ture
[14:37:40] jono: fucks sake
[14:37:43] jono: they make you get svn
[14:37:48] jono: jees, some people need a slap
[14:38:04] Juski: ah you might need transcode, mjpegtools as well
[14:38:12] Juski: I think the script tells you what's missing
[14:38:36] jono: Juski: yeah
[14:38:40] jono: checking out now
[14:38:42] jams: jono what capture/tuner card are you using?
[14:38:57] Juski: pvr350 IIRC
[14:38:58] Juski: ;)
[14:39:10] jams: heh
[14:39:11] jono: yep
[14:39:17] GreyFoxx: What resolution are you capturing in ?
[14:39:34] jono: GreyFoxx: can't remember :P
[14:39:42] jono: I set this up ages ago
[14:39:44] GreyFoxx: hehe
[14:39:48] jono: I am planning an upgrade when 0.20 is out
[14:39:58] jono: apparently I can go from 0.18 to 0.20 fairly easily :)
[14:40:17] Juski: bugger. I had a failed recording this morning. that's gotta be a first for something that wasn't my fault
[14:40:42] GreyFoxx: If it's in full DVD res you might be able to use them without any reall conversion
[14:40:52] GreyFoxx: rename, import into DVD util and burn
[14:41:18] jono: can I just renamenuv files and they play?
[14:41:23] GreyFoxx: yup
[14:41:26] jono: are they just mpeg under the covers?
[14:41:32] jams: yep
[14:41:35] jono: ahhh
[14:41:36] GreyFoxx: mpeg recordings from dvd or pvr cards are just mpg files with a .nuv name
[14:41:38] jams: at least with your card
[14:41:45] jono: let me try
[14:41:52] GreyFoxx: pvr, dvb, and atsc hdtv are all mpeg2 with a .nuv filename
[14:42:19] GreyFoxx: but as of 0.19 they use the proper name. .mpg for mpegs and .nuv for real nuv files :)
[14:42:28] jono: right
[14:42:44] jono: was there any reason they were renamed to.nuv ?
[14:43:00] Juski: hmmm.. anyone likey lookey? http://www.juski.co.uk/screenshots/newthemeidea.png
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[14:43:20] GreyFoxx: All filenames use to be generated based on recording times and such, now there is afield in the database that specifies the name
[14:43:34] GreyFoxx: so you can also rename recordings and update the field in the DB for more humanly readable names if you want
[14:43:56] Juski: you still can't do that within mythtv though can you?
[14:44:18] GreyFoxx: nope, there are various scripts in contrib/ to do it
[14:44:34] jams: jono, now that we know you have mpeg files have a look at tovid
[14:44:43] jono: tovid?
[14:44:44] jams: it should do what you want
[14:45:12] jams: its a program that will take your files, convert them to the proper format and burn to dvd
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[14:45:49] jono: cool
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[14:46:23] jams: tovid doesn't know how to handle .nuv files but it will work with .mpeg
[14:47:13] ** Juski makes a note of tovid **
[14:52:34] jono: so I just rename .nuv to .mpeg?
[14:52:42] jono: tovid looks ace
[14:53:43] jams: jono yes
[14:53:46] Juski: jono: yep. for your pvr recordings anyway
[14:54:19] Juski: oh hell I'm gonna need to theme mytharchive
[14:54:23] Juski: arghhhhHH!
[14:54:28] jams: hehe
[14:54:30] Juski: or not..
[14:54:44] ** jams isn't, at least not for a while **
[14:55:05] Juski: has mytharchive been written using mythui ?
[14:55:15] jams: i don't think so
[14:55:35] Juski: was mythui not ready for plugins?
[14:56:07] jams: not for sure
[14:56:54] Juski: ah well. all in good time I expect :)
[14:57:22] jams: tovid almost became one of the engines behind nuv2disc. But then mytharchive came along and I stopped working on it.
[14:57:43] Juski: I dunno whether or not to wait for mythui to be completed before I start fiddling with the ui resizing gadget I have in mind
[14:59:06] Juski: actually by the time I have any code that complies cleanly I bet myth will be on 0.25
[14:59:47] jams: heh..Greyfoxx can walk you through it
[15:00:34] jams: found out last week there is a big difference between Qstring and QString
[15:00:39] Juski: Qt is really putting me off though
[15:00:57] Juski: heh. I used QString once. oh boy that was fun
[15:01:16] Juski: all I was doing was taking a db query & putting it in a variable
[15:02:19] jams: i'm writing a install/system setup app for my inhouse distro
[15:02:33] jams: its overkill but it looks nice
[15:03:48] jams: previously it was in SDL, but figured I would at least try to learn qt/c++
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[15:05:26] BMac2: I have installed and configured mythtv on Ubuntu, and when I run the cron.daily/mythtv-backend I get the following error
[15:05:42] BMac2: Table 'mythconverg.dd_v_program" doesn't exist
[15:05:53] BMac2: and I thought I followed the documentation
[15:05:58] BMac2: what did I miss?
[15:06:16] Juski: a cron script to run mythbackend daily? wth?
[15:06:34] Juski: or is that some maintenance thing?
[15:06:44] BMac2: during the install
[15:06:53] BMac2: after I run the mythtv-setup
[15:06:58] Juski: no idea what that is
[15:06:59] BMac2: the screen says to run that next
[15:07:02] BMac2: to populate
[15:07:06] BMac2: the database
[15:07:13] Juski: should be mythfilldatabase
[15:07:21] BMac2: ok
[15:07:25] BMac2: that is the problem then
[15:07:32] BMac2: I am following the on screen directions
[15:07:35] BMac2: lol silly me
[15:07:39] Juski: I've never seen mythtv-setup call it cron.daily/foo anything
[15:08:07] BMac2: same error
[15:08:12] BMac2: when I run mythfilldatabase
[15:08:17] BMac2: complaining about a missing table
[15:08:23] BMac2: and if I go into mysql
[15:08:28] BMac2: the database and tables are there
[15:08:36] BMac2: did I miss a permission somewhere maybe?
[15:10:34] Juski: sounds like a package error to me. maybe mixed versions of stuff installed. synaptic will let you do that
[15:11:09] Juski: if you're running on dapper you ideally should get the repo from hamsta.net (check the channel FAQ for that)
[15:11:32] BMac2: repo?
[15:11:39] BMac2: repository?
[15:12:04] Juski: repository yeh
[15:12:08] BMac2: k
[15:12:20] BMac2: let me see if I can figure this out
[15:12:29] BMac2: I have run freebsd and debian both for years
[15:12:34] BMac2: my first venture into ubuntu
[15:12:40] BMac2: thought I would give it a try
[15:12:53] BMac2: it is starting to annoy me with the strange permission setup
[15:13:15] BMac2: everything I go to do is a permission problem
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[15:16:55] BMac2: ok thanks for your advise
[15:17:01] BMac2: advice
[15:17:09] BMac2: I am going to go reinstall it
[15:17:10] BMac2: peace
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[15:26:22] jono: ok tovid complains that it doesnt know theformat of my audio in my myth recording
[15:26:42] Juski: bugger.
[15:27:12] Juski: you prolly have to demux & remux the recorded mpeg files then
[15:27:26] Juski: what a PITA
[15:27:55] jono: how do I do that?
[15:28:38] Juski: 0.19 does it with mythtrancode's mpeg-mpeg encder
[15:29:20] Juski: but that's no use to you... so erm... off the top of my head, projectx... nuvexport, nuv2disc..
[15:29:31] Juski: wait abloody minute
[15:30:02] Juski: wiki to the rescue! http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Archiving_Recordings_to_DVD
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[15:55:53] ed_: with mythtv is it possible to know if commercials are playing?
[15:56:32] ed_: there in the uk, ITV1 has a little logo that appears when commericals are playing, i just wondered if there is something similar with digital tv (freeview)
[15:58:11] Juski: sadly not
[15:58:25] Juski: if only there were ;)
[15:58:45] ed_: well, there might be. some stations have a logo that appears for a few seconds before and after the commercials
[15:58:57] Juski: commercial flagging on shows recorded from ITV1 seldom works – the rules currently available can't spot the breaks
[15:59:36] Juski: I find on channels that have an onscreen logo during the shows get commflagged very reliably (if the logo is taken off for the ads)
[15:59:38] ed_: what about full screen logos
[15:59:43] ed_: like ABC1's
[16:00:13] Juski: I don't know. the new commflagger stuff coming into 0.20 (maybe) could change a lot for us UK peeps
[16:00:52] ed_: i look forward to it
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[16:02:07] Juski: in the UK, our channels play ads in a different way to those in the USA – in the US there's usualyl a fade to black or blank frames inbetween the show & the breaks
[16:02:42] ed_: ive noticed that when they piece the shows together for uk playing
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[16:06:31] Juski: yeh and ITV & other channels usually now have hard cuts or even crossfades between parts of shows, promos & ad breaks
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[16:17:49] speedsix: hi all
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[16:32:59] ed_: speedsix, i thought you nick said somethign else for a moment
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[16:42:46] dmd: Hi!
[16:43:49] dmd: I want to capture some (lossless, or near as) analogue video under Linux which will later be encoded for DVD. Can anyone recommend the best program and codec?
[16:44:04] dmd: I'm running Debian BTW
[16:44:42] dmd: Is mythtv suitable for this?
[16:44:57] dmd: I'm also looking at mencoder and mp1e
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[17:10:40] Z_Morek: dmd: what capture card are you using?
[17:10:53] dmd: Hi Z!
[17:11:09] dmd: Its at bt878, yeah I know its not the greatest
[17:11:19] dmd: but it works under Linux :)
[17:11:51] dmd: Have you ever done any analogue capture under linux?
[17:12:20] Z_Morek: by analogue you mean like... regular cable thru a coax right?
[17:12:52] grumble: morning/afternoon/evening
[17:13:44] dmd: I'm transferring some VHS tapes (3hrs each!) onto my PC via a composite link
[17:13:53] Juski: dmd: eew
[17:13:56] Juski: hey grumble
[17:14:28] Z_Morek: dmd, if you were looking for lossless, look somewhere else man
[17:14:33] Juski: dmd: software encoding is gonna stink. lots
[17:14:36] Z_Morek: vhs tapes have limited quality
[17:14:46] Juski: 240 lines resolution at best
[17:14:51] dmd: yeah I know
[17:14:52] Z_Morek: and if youre transferring to dvd, you're limited to the vhs quality
[17:15:09] dmd: I'm going to capture at VCD res
[17:15:20] dmd: PAL VCD res, 25fps
[17:15:21] Juski: I thought you wanted lossless
[17:15:28] dmd: i do
[17:15:33] ** Z_Morek is profoundly confused **
[17:15:49] dmd: DVD has a VCD mode dunnit
[17:16:00] dmd: so I can fit 4hrs or so onto a DVD
[17:16:02] Juski: best you can do is capture at PAL resolution, but be aware that your system (even if very fast) might not cope with 720x576 uncompressed video going over the PCI bus
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[17:16:20] Juski: DVD has a kind of 'half' res mode I think
[17:16:46] Zider: dmd: that's not officially part of the standard iirc, altho some dvd players might be able to play it
[17:16:51] thread: will the pcHDTV HD-5500 be able to read comcast's digital channels?
[17:17:06] Juski: if all you want to do is grab vhs & turn it into DVD, mythtv is NOT for you
[17:17:24] Juski: thread: I dunno. I expect not though
[17:17:30] dmd: so, huffy codec do you think? What program should I use to capture? MythTV didn't work anyway
[17:17:37] thread: Juski: is there a card that would?
[17:17:53] thread: I've been using the PVR250, and loving it...
[17:17:58] dmd: mencoder, ffmpeg, mp1e?
[17:18:08] thread: but what if I want the digital channels?
[17:19:35] dmd: has anyone here done anything like this under linux?
[17:21:28] dmd: it seems to be an unanserable question this. so far I've stumped #cinelerra and #mplayer, now #mythtv too :)
[17:21:37] Juski: thread: they're likely to be encrypted on the cable so the only way would be to either go with firewire or settle for capturing SDTV
[17:22:04] thread: firewire?
[17:22:06] Juski: thread: anyway check the faqs & the wiki
[17:23:21] dmd: What is the resolution of 8 video?
[17:23:33] dmd: (Not Hi-8)
[17:23:51] dmd: PAL 8
[17:23:52] speedsix: Anyone got any ideas why running the uk_rt grabber manually retrieves filmfour guide data but mythfilldatabase doesn't see to add it to the db? xmltv_id is correct in the database. *confused*
[17:26:40] Juski: speedsix: you need to add it to the .xmltv file in ~/.mythtv/foo.xmltv in the form channel <xmltvid> or else re-run tv_grab_uk_rt --configure
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[17:27:40] rever: Hi I am trying to compile the latest mythtv plugins. I am getting this error during config...
[17:27:43] thread: Juski: is DVB what I want to receive? ... it's still a bit unclear what I need to read comcast's digital signal.
[17:27:55] rever: MythMusic requires libmad and libid3tag.
[17:28:07] rever: I have both libmad and libid3tag
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[17:28:19] rever: /usr/lib/libmad.so.0
[17:28:47] speedsix: Juski, it's in there, it's downloads fine if I run the grabber manually. Just doesn't put any data in the db if i run it with mythfilldb
[17:31:01] Juski: speedsix: so, you've not checked the right .xmltv file. It's possible that mythfilldatabase is running as a different user to the one you run it as manually
[17:31:02] Juski: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Uk_xmltv
[17:32:23] speedsix: I ran the grabber as root and the mythfilldatabase as root?
[17:33:18] Juski: mythfilldatabase (when run automatically by mythbackend) will probably run as the user mythbackend runs as – which in some cases is the mythtv user and sometimes the root user
[17:34:39] speedsix: Juski, even if I run mythfilldatabase manually, still no data
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[17:36:02] Juski: eh?
[17:36:11] Juski: sounds like something is still wrong
[17:36:23] speedsix: sudo mythfilldatabase = no filmfour data
[17:36:37] Juski: so you're running mythfilldatabase as root?
[17:36:46] speedsix: sudo uk_rt_grabber_thingy = filmfour data in the output xml file
[17:36:53] Juski: which user did you run mythtv-setup as?
[17:37:01] Juski: and do the initial config of xmltv ?
[17:37:09] speedsix: root, I don't have a mythtv user
[17:37:34] Juski: right. so look in /root/.mythtv there will be .xmltv file. look in there
[17:37:38] speedsix: uk_rt.xmltv is in /root/.mythtv/uk_rt.xmltv
[17:38:07] Juski: it should have an entry for channel filmfour.channel4.com or something like that (whichever is the right xmltv id for film4)
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[17:39:27] speedsix: yep channel filmfour.channel4.com
[17:40:01] speedsix: just running sudo mythfilldatabase again
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[17:41:39] Jasper: hej guys, I was wondering what player would you recommend for dvd playback?
[17:41:39] Juski: hang on
[17:41:44] Anduin: Jasper: xine is nice, it is up to you, try both
[17:42:03] Juski: speedsix: will sudo actually run mythfilldatabase as root? not just with root privileges?
[17:42:20] speedsix: good question
[17:43:29] speedsix: I have added it to the xmltv file in my regular user account, it might be reading that file
[17:44:08] Jasper: finally getting mythtv ready to run :P...except I still get regular backend crashes and stuff
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[17:53:30] Juski: oh fuck. I knew I should never have started this. first I updated the watermarks. now I'm redoing the whole damn lot! heheheheh
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[17:59:20] Zambezi: Anyone with MythTV installed with Eurosport?
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[18:08:56] speedsix: Juski, that worked, even though I was sudo'ing it, it was reading the file from my regular user dir
[18:09:48] Jasper: guys, the internal player isn't really a god option for dvd playback is it?
[18:10:05] Jasper: I have a 3,4 ghz which is not playing a dvd properly...it's lagging
[18:11:03] Anduin: Jasper: Sometimes it isn't bad.
[18:17:10] gbee: Jasper it works fine on my AMD64 2800 and my AMD Turion MT30
[18:17:51] gbee: it doesn't do so well on my Athlon 1.4 Ghz ... but that's probably got more to do with a bad DVD drive
[18:19:47] Juski: whew I need a break
[18:20:18] Juski: Jasper: sounds like DMA isn't enabled on your dvd drive. my 800mhz box can play dvd just fine
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[19:33:23] galorin: Ok, what the heck? My system was running a bit hotter today, so I evicted some dust bunnies. The PC then refused to come up again unless I either removed the TV card, or put it in a different PCI slot. LOL why? did the tv card like the bunnies? :S
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[19:46:06] Juski: galorin: what did you evict the dust bunnies with? a vacuum cleaner?
[19:46:48] galorin: nope, just compressed air.
[19:47:06] galorin: and by compressed, I mean compressed from my own lungs
[19:48:57] Zider: a blowjob then
[19:50:42] Z_Morek: !sex
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[19:51:51] medwards: afternoon folks..
[19:52:15] medwards: Anyone happen to know where I can get ROMDB type data and screenshots for SNES roms?
[19:52:17] jepeltw: hello all, is mytharchive available for mythtv 0.19 or is it compatible with 0.19? It specifies rev 9846 as a requirement, but I don't know what rev 0.19 corresponds to
[19:52:54] Juski: jepeltw: you need SVN or to wait for 0.20
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[19:53:51] jepeltw: Juski, what's the preferred current way to export to VCD?
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[19:54:52] Z_Morek: well x still runs in a corner, but things can run full screen like mplayer
[19:54:59] Juski: jepeltw: there isn't any way apart from with nuvexport
[19:55:05] Z_Morek: so is there a way to resize just the shell that runs in x
[19:55:14] Z_Morek: because I need said shell to run mythtv-setup and read the output
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[19:55:48] jepeltw: Juski, are nuvexport questions okay or OT here?
[19:56:25] Juski: they're ok but hardly anyone apart from its developer knows much about it
[19:56:34] Z_Morek: like most of linux
[19:56:44] Z_Morek: or so it seems to me
[19:56:55] Juski: Z_Morek: naw.. lol
[19:57:11] jepeltw: I tried to use it, but got the divide by zero error, which, according to the mailing list, is caused by a failure to auto-detect the aspect ratio, but the patch isn't on pipermail's archive
[19:58:10] Juski: hell fire. mythtv is failing to record from my dvb-t tuner.
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[19:58:49] Juski: because the coax had fell out of the socket
[19:58:56] Juski: haha. that was a quick debug
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[20:03:02] jepeltw: Juski, don't you love it when problems are resolved so easily?
[20:03:24] Juski: I love it when I'm quick off the mark like that
[20:04:42] jepeltw: Juski, as opposed to when you scratch your head for hours and recompile mythtv twice before seeing the loose wire?
[20:05:04] Z_Morek: is there a pastebin for pics?
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[20:05:17] Z_Morek: so I can show what my monitor looks like when I startx
[20:05:34] Juski: Z_Morek: what wm do you use?
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[20:05:47] word: I switched ivtv encoding to pio mode..and it still gives me dma errors and conks out..
[20:05:50] Z_Morek: juski: none....
[20:05:51] Z_Morek: yet
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[20:06:14] Z_Morek: I didn't feel like filling up 600 megs just for gnome
[20:06:26] Juski: Z_Morek: look in your .xinitrc file... there'll be something like exec xterm --geometry foo*bar
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[20:07:14] Zider: fluxbox is nice on a mythbox
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[20:07:47] Z_Morek: here we go, this is what my screen looks like when I startx
[20:07:48] Z_Morek: http://i8.tinypic.com/255qdsw.jpg
[20:08:12] Z_Morek: I believe that's when I had it set to 640x480
[20:08:34] Juski: Z_Morek: look in your .xinitrc file... there'll be something like exec xterm --geometry foo*bar
[20:09:28] Z_Morek: I can't seem to find my .xinitrc file....
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[20:12:04] Z_Morek: the only one I found was in /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc
[20:12:10] Z_Morek: and it didn't have an exec xterm
[20:13:36] Z_Morek: I assume I'm doing something wrong
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[20:15:03] jams: Anduin, for someone who reluctantly took over mythvideo, you sure are active about updating it.
[20:16:09] Anduin: jams: Bugs, I did too much, introduced too many. On the bright side it makes me feel better about neglecting MythDVD.
[20:16:33] Z_Morek: Juski: should the .xinitrc file be in my home directory?
[20:16:43] Z_Morek: because it doesn't exist...
[20:17:35] Juski: Z_Morek: ls -al would show you
[20:18:06] Z_Morek: not listed
[20:18:43] Juski: it's gonna be in the init for X somewhere somehow then
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[20:19:36] ** jams heads off to the hardware store **
[20:20:01] Z_Morek: Juski: this is the /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc
[20:20:02] Z_Morek: http://pastebin.ca/141063
[20:20:33] Juski: ahhh jams! nm
[20:20:52] Juski: Z_Morek: so look in /etc/X11/Xsession
[20:21:14] Z_Morek: there's no exec xterm
[20:21:26] Juski: Z_Morek: what is there?
[20:22:27] Z_Morek: juski: http://pastebin.ca/141065
[20:24:59] Juski: hrm I dunno then
[20:25:13] Juski: but if you've got one term open you should easily be alble to open another from that
[20:25:46] Juski: either that or get mythtv-setup to tee its output into a text file. man tee
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[20:26:16] ikonia_: evening all
[20:26:30] Juski: evening ikonia
[20:26:52] ikonia_: ooops, I've left my session logged in, in the office too
[20:26:54] ikonia_: apologies
[20:26:57] Z_Morek: juski: you lost me
[20:28:32] Juski: Z_Morek: man tee
[20:28:40] ikonia_: good old tee
[20:28:50] ikonia_: I assume you want logfile manipulation
[20:29:45] Z_Morek: that manual just confused me more :-(
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[20:30:04] laga: re
[20:30:47] ikonia_: chaps, I'm having a real pain setting up my 2 wintv ( Conexant CX23880 ) tv cars
[20:30:49] ikonia_: cards
[20:31:01] Juski: uhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Z_Morek I dunno what more i can suggest. I told you that you can easily start another xterm up from the one already launched
[20:31:03] ikonia_: could anyone spare 5 minutes with some experience
[20:31:03] Juski: evening laga
[20:31:28] Z_Morek: juski: it's just my noobishness, I'll run with what ya gave me and see where I end up
[20:31:59] laga: j-rod: http://serve.mythwiki.de/amazon-jarod_wilson- . . . entlemen.jpg – german amazon seems to like you :) (-> league of extraordinary gentlemen)
[20:32:30] Juski: ffs. noobishness. we were all noobs once upon a time. I still am with a lot of stuff.. but it's not something you go round wearing like a badge ya know ;)
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[20:33:04] Juski: laga: been busy again: before: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/pg/images/1.jpg ----- AFTER: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/ . . . eenshot1.png
[20:33:13] Z_Morek: juski: i use it more as a shield than a badge
[20:33:17] Juski: lol
[20:33:25] Z_Morek: juski: it protects me from getting yelled at
[20:33:29] Juski: rofl
[20:33:33] Juski: you reckon?
[20:33:36] Zider: no it doesn't ;)
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[20:33:49] laga: Juski: nice. looks a little bit brighter, which is good for my old tv :)
[20:33:50] ikonia_: Juski nice front end
[20:33:54] Z_Morek: most of all it explains why I have no fucking clue what I'm doing
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[20:34:17] Juski: laga: looks good for my new (ish) TV too :)
[20:34:29] Juski: once I do the -wide revamp (cry!)
[20:34:41] laga: :)
[20:35:05] Juski: laga: you should see the new watermarks & stuff though.. very spiffy I think
[20:35:25] Juski: I really need to make some UN-grey icons for the programme guide & stuff too
[20:35:55] Juski: ikonia_: ta. you're gonna have to post some information if you want help with that btw
[20:36:01] laga: Juski: un-grey is good. i'll try it as soon as i find some spare time (which has been quite rare lately)
[20:36:01] ikonia_: yeah, thats cool
[20:36:03] ikonia_: just gaining it
[20:36:10] ikonia_: its more along the lines of setup options for the cards
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[20:36:34] ikonia_: setting up myth on FC5 (probably not the best host)
[20:36:38] Juski: ikonia_: what do you mean? like in mythtv or the drivers? I ain't too hot with bttv v4l cards
[20:37:02] ikonia_: got to Wintv cards which are showing up as Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder [MPEG Port] (rev 05)
[20:37:21] Juski: ikonia_: what the heck are they though? really?
[20:37:34] ikonia_: Win Nova WinTV cards
[20:37:38] Juski: ahh
[20:37:47] ikonia_: they are marked as supported
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[20:38:10] Juski: thank god for that! I had a horrible feeling there you were gonna say just v4l cards – you'd need 2 souncards to be able to record audio from both!
[20:38:23] ikonia_: nah
[20:38:30] ikonia_: these seem good as gold for supportability
[20:38:45] Juski: ikonia_: first of all – get yerself across to www.linuxtv.org and look at the DVB wiki
[20:39:05] ikonia_: ok – thats not a bad first step
[20:39:06] Juski: ikonia_: then find a good dvb card setup guide.. there's one in the mythtv wiki
[20:40:11] Z_Morek: ok well I figured out tee
[20:40:19] ikonia_: thats what I'm looking for – with regard to my cards
[20:40:20] Z_Morek: but now myth is not accessing the database
[20:40:22] Z_Morek: wonderful
[20:40:24] ikonia_: a guide for the correct options
[20:40:54] Juski: ikonia_: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV_Nova-T_PCI
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[20:41:02] ikonia_: Juski hey, thanks
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[20:41:17] Juski: right.. all my free wiki search credits are used up :-P
[20:41:27] ikonia_: ha ha, I'll buy more
[20:41:45] ikonia_: out of interest, what was the search term
[20:41:54] ikonia_: winnova and wintv wasn't brining anything up
[20:42:15] Juski: dvb-t
[20:42:25] ikonia_: touche'
[20:42:31] Juski: the card is actually nova-t
[20:43:22] Z_Morek: so I might have skipped the step of "mysql < mc.sql"
[20:43:26] Z_Morek: where is my sql file then...
[20:44:00] ikonia_: only you know where your sql file is
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[20:44:19] Z_Morek: guess I'm screwed
[20:44:48] Juski: Z_Morek: good place to start is /usr/share/mythtv or /usr/local/share/mythtv
[20:45:04] laga: good place is "man updatedb" :)
[20:45:15] laga: s/is/to start &/
[20:45:15] Juski: then if that draws a blank, cd / then find -name "mc.sql"
[20:45:57] Juski: damn pesky trans- theme png files. why are they even needed?
[20:46:54] Z_Morek: mc.sql only shows up in my svn source directories....
[20:47:10] Juski: Z_Morek: it'll be in contrib then
[20:47:12] Juski: I guess
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[20:47:26] Z_Morek: I'm thinking I skipped a step
[20:47:52] Z_Morek: I could have sworn I tried to load up my old database from backup
[20:47:57] Z_Morek: hrmmm
[20:48:11] Juski: right I need a break. I'm getting .xml eyed
[20:49:29] Z_Morek: AGH!!!!!!!!!!1
[20:49:36] Z_Morek: 1one11!!!!!!!!!!eleven!!!!!!!!!1
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[20:52:31] Z_Morek: should my primary user be "mythtv" ?
[20:52:57] Z_Morek: I thought I read in some doc somewhere not to use it and reserve it or something because mythtv needed to use it on its own or something
[20:56:23] Anduin: Z_Morek: It should usually be some non-root user, mythtv is a common one.
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[20:58:00] phatmonkey: i swear i've done this before, but i just can't remember where the configuration is: i have changed the host of my mythtv server, now none of the frontends can connect to the backend server. where do i change it?
[20:58:11] phatmonkey: it starts up because i've edited mysql.txt
[20:58:57] Anduin: phatmonkey: The GUI way is to run mythtv-setup on each frontend
[20:59:41] phatmonkey: not installed here... is there a non-gui method?
[20:59:57] Anduin: phatmonkey: Yeah, edit the setting in the DB for that host.
[21:00:47] phatmonkey: ah of course
[21:01:01] phatmonkey: thanks!
[21:02:33] phatmonkey: hmm, i guess you can't use a hostname instead of an ip
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[21:21:25] Z_Morek: and now I take on learning to script and build packages
[21:21:39] Z_Morek: I'll be back in a few weeks...
[21:22:08] laga: heh
[21:23:37] Juski: does tar preserve symbolic links?
[21:25:17] Juski: hmm I think it does. nice. so I'll be able to combine a lot of projectgrayhem graphics .. woohoo
[21:25:34] Juski: which is good, cos I'm making even more
[21:26:23] laga: heh
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[21:28:55] Z_Morek: I used grayhem for a while
[21:29:34] Z_Morek: menacing though it looks, it's difficult on a 13 inch screen to see in the dark
[21:29:56] Z_Morek: from a distance
[21:30:02] Z_Morek: not that anything would be easy to read....
[21:31:43] Juski: well, it's gonna be brighter from 2.0
[21:32:15] laga: Juski: i don't see 0.20 on that webpage!
[21:33:53] Juski: har har
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[21:38:14] Z_Morek: first I need to tinker more and get things going before I can even think about themes
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[21:42:31] briand: hi, all.
[21:42:38] Z_Morek: hio
[21:42:38] Juski: some use that bloody smoke alarm of mine is. emptied the ashtray into the bin about 15 mins ago.. then I could smell burning.. fucking bin was on fire
[21:42:57] Z_Morek: tobacco is whacko
[21:43:04] Juski: you can set fire to paper underneath the smoke alarm & it doesn't go off. must only detect burning flash or something
[21:43:10] Juski: s/flash/flesh
[21:43:27] Z_Morek: did you try the test button to make sure the batteries are ok?
[21:43:30] briand: i would advise against experimentation in that regard, Juski
[21:43:34] Juski: yeah it's fine
[21:43:37] Z_Morek: they generally use the radiation from americium
[21:43:47] Z_Morek: and if there's enough particulate matter of smoke to block the radiaton
[21:43:51] Z_Morek: BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP
[21:44:06] Juski: so you're saying it's too radioactive?
[21:44:17] Z_Morek: dunno
[21:44:22] Z_Morek: maybe it's just old
[21:45:07] Juski: it's not – that's the point
[21:45:21] Z_Morek: maybe it was made by microsoft
[21:45:23] Z_Morek: try a reboot
[21:45:24] Juski: lol
[21:45:45] Juski: it goes off if I leave something under the grill for too long – hence the theory about the burning flesh
[21:46:12] Z_Morek: and not when there's a true fire
[21:46:43] Z_Morek: so it alerts false positives, doesn't alert true positives
[21:46:56] briand: well, it's a smoke alarm, not a fire alarm... how much smoke was generated by the test paper?
[21:46:56] Z_Morek: must be programmed by M$
[21:47:46] Juski: briand: a fair bit, but when the grill's on there's no discernable smoke
[21:47:52] Juski: I think I need a better one
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[21:48:05] Z_Morek: then don't go to walmart
[21:48:08] briand: based upon that, i would agree.
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[21:49:55] Z_Morek: could my missing mc.sql have to do with the fact that I installed myth into it's own directory and not /usr/lib ?
[21:50:12] laga: we once set off a smoke alarm using a *fog* generator thingy.
[21:50:26] briand: is it truly missing, or merely yet-to-be-discovered?
[21:50:40] briand: have you tried `find / -name mc.sql -print`  ?
[21:50:40] laga: Z_Morek: did you install mythtv from source? then it's in the database subdir of the mythtv tarball
[21:50:58] Z_Morek: do I just cp it?
[21:51:14] Z_Morek: I tried find, it showed in in my svn source folders and nowhere else
[21:53:54] briand: hmm.
[21:55:03] briand: well, my myth box was originally set up with the 0.18.1 distro... then i compiled 0.19 ... and find shows:
[21:55:06] briand: /usr/share/doc/mythtv-0.18.1/database/mc.sql
[21:55:06] briand: /home/mythtv/sources/mythtv-0.19/mythtv-0.19/database/mc.sql
[21:58:03] MrChambers: when I select "watch tv", nothing happens – I can't seem to nail down what exactly the problem might be on any faq's, anyone point me to a site or in the right direction?
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[22:00:44] briand: "nothing" happens, or "watch tv" doesn't happen?
[22:02:08] Juski: MrChambers: maybe the channel you have mythtv set to start on doesn't exist
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[22:02:44] gnuyen: Hi, I have mythweb installed w/ apache2 on ubuntu dapper
[22:03:09] laga: gnuyen: don't worry, happens to the best of us.
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[22:03:27] gnuyen: it works but when i click on certain files it gives me a "You don't have permission to access /mythweb/data/recordings/1066_20060817215900.mpg on this server"
[22:03:41] gnuyen: but the permissions seem to be exactly the same
[22:03:43] gnuyen: on those files
[22:05:45] gnuyen: since i want to be able to watch some of these files from windows machine
[22:06:07] gnuyen: any one know why it would give me that error on some files in that directory and not others?
[22:06:28] Z_Morek: ls -l ?
[22:06:38] Z_Morek: wait
[22:06:39] Z_Morek: I missed that
[22:06:47] briand: and, further, does it give you that message on *.mpg, but not on *.png ??
[22:06:49] Z_Morek: they seem to be the same.... then I have no idea
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[22:08:54] fysa: Anyone here using ratpoison and mplayer with MythVideo?
[22:09:56] fysa: I've got a problem where mplayer will leave a vertical line on the far-left or far-right of the display open, allowing a pixel-wide MythVideo to show through.
[22:10:22] gnuyen: the *.pngs work because they're cached or something
[22:10:37] gnuyen: oh
[22:10:40] gnuyen: and it does work on the .png
[22:10:44] gnuyen: if accessed directly
[22:11:18] GreyFoxx: fysa: Just a single blueline around the border ?
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[22:11:58] fysa: Yes. When I have it on my 4:3 CRT (:0.1), it's on the far left. When I switch to my 16:9 LCD (:0.0), it's on the far right.
[22:12:09] fysa: It's probably a ratpoisonrc thing.
[22:12:22] GreyFoxx: Yeah, that's abug when sending the video data. The chroma area is biggerthan the video
[22:12:30] fysa: but mplayer is running fs..
[22:12:38] GreyFoxx: you can use a tool to change the chroma colour to black
[22:12:47] GreyFoxx: You would think so, but it's what you are seeing
[22:12:50] GreyFoxx: It's fairly common
[22:13:08] gnuyen: yeah the pngs work from that directory
[22:13:11] GreyFoxx: With overscan you wouldn't normally see it
[22:13:23] fysa: xvattr -a XV_COLORKEY -v 66048
[22:13:31] fysa: I have this in my .xinitrc right now.
[22:14:00] fysa: ah
[22:14:02] GreyFoxx: Try running it manually after X has loaded
[22:14:16] gnuyen: same exact file permissions
[22:15:08] gnuyen: it can't be a file size problem
[22:15:15] fysa: found something on it. this guy is using -v 0 instead of 66048. I'll try that and moving xvattr to go after ratpoison.
[22:15:23] briand: gnuyen: so, then, all the mpg files do not work, then...
[22:15:26] gnuyen: because it works on some file sizes that are as big or as bigger
[22:15:40] gnuyen: all the mp3 files do not work, but some of the old .nuv files work
[22:15:44] gnuyen: most of the old .nuv files work
[22:15:55] briand: gnuyen: you might take a look at mythstreamtv
[22:15:55] gnuyen: but some of the newer .nuv files don't work
[22:16:10] gnuyen: however the mpg files work fine through samba
[22:16:16] gnuyen: and through the proper client
[22:16:39] gnuyen: mythstreamtv?
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[22:16:56] gnuyen: i think it might have to be an apache thing
[22:17:30] gnuyen: but i can't imagine what
[22:17:45] gnuyen: since the files look the same on the file system permission wise
[22:17:48] gnuyen: and are in the same directory
[22:17:50] fysa: .. it might help if I actually had xvattr. ;)
[22:18:08] fysa: doh
[22:19:24] fysa: GreyFoxx: Does this issue mean that mplayer's maximum width is actually only 1279 instead of 1280?
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[22:19:51] GreyFoxx: No, I think it's just a math error somewhere
[22:20:43] fysa: Oh, you know what. I think you're right. I believe it only appeared while watching content that didn't fit the full width of the display.
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[22:28:02] js0: Is it normal for mythfrontend to cause constant hard disk activity even when idle?
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[22:29:47] cesman: anyone having issue transcoding w/ latest -fixes?
[22:31:16] gnuyen: okay
[22:31:17] cesman: I was looking at my log and thinks seem to be going along ok
[22:31:30] gnuyen: apparently apache2 2.0.x can't serve files greater than 2gb
[22:31:32] briand: js0, are you in the "watch recordings" selection screen, with a preview on-screen, by chance?
[22:31:34] cesman: then I got an "unknown socker closing"
[22:31:45] cesman: then it recorded the transcoding failed
[22:32:05] briand: gnuyen: i think you'll find that samba wont copy a file bigger than that to your windows machine, either.
[22:32:12] laga: cesman: i think i've seen reports in trac...
[22:32:30] js0: briand, no, I leave it in the main screen
[22:32:47] cesman: laga: yeah... I've looked there...
[22:32:59] js0: as soon as I exit mythfrontend, the hard disk activity stops
[22:33:35] briand: js0, try a different theme, maybe? I dunno... mine will show disk activity if I accidentally leave it on the screen with the preview video
[22:33:48] gnuyen: briand: i can copy the files to linux machines
[22:33:54] gnuyen: via samba
[22:34:03] briand: otherwise, it's usually idle. (unless transcoding, commercial flagging, or downloading schedule updates)
[22:34:03] js0: briand, what theme do you use?
[22:34:06] gnuyen: i can't access the 2gb files through mythweb on linux either
[22:34:19] MrChambers: when i click on "watch tv" the screen goes blank for half a second, then i'm back at the menu. so nothing happens yeah... not sure how else to explain it
[22:34:22] gnuyen: i use xbmc-mythtv and it accesses the files through smb as well
[22:34:24] gnuyen: and that works
[22:34:31] MrChambers: how do i check if that channel exists? i think it's set at 2, which I believe I get?
[22:34:42] briand: MrChambers, probably don't have your tv tuner card configured/set-up correctly.
[22:34:48] gnuyen: does mythweb 0.19 require apache2?
[22:35:03] briand: MrChambers, have you looked at the ivtv messages in dmesg ?
[22:35:08] cesman: MrChambers: start the frontend from an xterm once you get an error, exit and read the output
[22:35:18] gnuyen: or can i just "downgrade" to apache 1.3
[22:35:22] cesman: MrChambers: also check you backend log
[22:35:41] MrChambers: ok i will look into those things thank you
[22:35:59] MrChambers: do i have to run the auto-install setup again or is there a way to change those settings once i'm already installed?
[22:36:11] js0: briand, I'm pretty sure it's idle, both mythbackend and mythfrontend run in the same system, and with only mythbackend running, there's no hard disk activity when idle
[22:36:51] briand: so, what theme are *you* running?
[22:37:08] briand: maybe there's something going on with it that's causing disk activity
[22:37:50] js0: blue theme
[22:38:17] Juski: anduin: you around?
[22:38:38] MrChambers: "getentryat(-2) failed. Entrytoprogram failed to get pginfo" is the error i get when running mythtv from xterm
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[22:42:57] Anduin: Juski: am now
[22:44:26] Juski: Anduin: cheers. I have a question about the background image in the mythvideo gallery view. where does it come from? I'm reworking my themes & I can't seem to make the gallery background change
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[22:46:44] Anduin: Juski: looking...
[22:46:55] Juski: thanks :)
[22:46:57] jams: Juski- do you mean the selection background?
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[22:47:16] Juski: the background the gallery view uses...
[22:47:48] jams: ok
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[22:49:02] jams: I wonder if it pulls it from base.xml?
[22:49:14] Anduin: I'm thinking the same
[22:49:23] Juski: I'm putting notes in as I go through the video-ui file about which is what
[22:49:29] jams: Chutt did say anything in there would be global
[22:49:56] jams: or at least will be global at some point
[22:51:07] Juski: at the minute it's the same background as theme.xml has
[22:51:18] Juski: in the gallery view of mythvideo
[22:51:25] Juski: which is a bit annoying
[22:53:26] Anduin: Juski: I know almost nothing of themeing but is that not consistent with other plugins?
[22:54:33] jams: pretty sure it is
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[22:55:22] jams: interesting video does seem to support it's own background
[22:55:41] Juski: I have a vague recollection of something needing to have a trans- named element
[22:55:52] jams: it will just be overlayed
[22:56:03] Juski: e.g. not just videogalleryback.png it'd need trans-videogalleryback.png too
[22:56:32] jams: yes thats needed to support the various ways of drawing the screen
[22:57:11] Juski: there's no 'background' container in any of the video-ui files I've looked at though – at least not in the 'gallery' bit
[22:57:20] jams: transparent vs solid and something else
[22:58:07] jams: http://pastebin.ca/141328
[22:58:25] jams: thats the top portion of my video-ui.xml file
[22:58:44] Anduin: Juski: Do you see the same in the list view?
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[22:59:06] Juski: Anduin: no in list view I see the background I want
[22:59:15] jams: browser also supports that
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[23:00:22] Anduin: Yeah, the other windows have background elements, I'll look into it.
[23:00:58] ** jams wonders if Juski's theme has the background listed for each window **
[23:01:23] Anduin: That seems like the only way it would work.
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[23:03:27] Juski: ahhh.. when I set up a new container for the background in the gallery window section, I see an error in the terminal that the background already exists
[23:03:45] Juski: jams: it's handy to have different backgrounds ;)
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[23:05:25] jams: sure is
[23:05:31] ** Juski wonders about qtlook.txt **
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[23:08:29] Anduin: Juski: So now you just put a full background for things like mv-background.png/
[23:10:23] Juski: Anduin: mostly yes
[23:10:44] Juski: for "filler"
[23:11:16] Anduin: Yeah, hmm... no other way I guess.
[23:11:59] Anduin: gallery view just doesn't have any background, all folder/video icons so no need
[23:12:51] Juski: damn
[23:13:11] Juski: I can live without one for now
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[23:17:10] Juski: see I've made these nifty looking (I think anyway) brushed-aluminium panel affairs which I'm doing this sort of thing with: www.juski.co.uk/previews/
[23:17:20] mirak: hi
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[23:17:41] mirak: I have a problem, mythfront end says that the tv input is busy
[23:17:47] cesman: howdy y'all
[23:18:02] mirak: it says that I should cancel a recording
[23:18:02] Juski: howdy cesman. are you mr knoppmyth?
[23:18:08] mirak: but nothing it recording
[23:18:16] Juski: mirak: yeah well that's usually cos there is a recording going on
[23:18:31] mirak: Juski: yes but there is none
[23:18:31] jams: hi cesman !
[23:18:41] cesman: no, I'm Mr. Watson
[23:18:43] cesman: ;)
[23:18:45] briand: Juski: nice.. very "clean" looking
[23:18:50] Juski: mirak: check in the watch recordings screen that you have the right group filter enabled
[23:19:00] Juski: mirak: in other words.. press M
[23:19:29] cesman: hey Jams
[23:19:37] jams: Mr Watson but not Mr wiki
[23:20:02] Juski: someone gave me the tag of mr wiki the other day.. grrr
[23:20:17] Juski: 'the documentor'.. as if..
[23:20:24] briand: and you liked it... okay.. we shall call you that, henceforth.
[23:20:25] briand: ;)
[23:20:28] mirak: Juski: it can't be recording I had this message two month ago and hadn't touched it since
[23:20:54] Juski: mirak: you left it like that for that long? it'll have healed over by now
[23:21:31] mirak: Juski: no the record should have expired lol
[23:21:52] mirak: it's just impossible anyway.
[23:21:55] mirak: that's just a bug
[23:22:05] mirak: I remember having changed my hostname
[23:22:11] Juski: here Anduin this is what's happenning: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/previews/Image4.jpg
[23:22:17] mirak: and needed to change things in the database to adapt it
[23:22:18] cesman: Juski: to answer your query, yes I an the fellow behind KnoppMyth.
[23:22:42] mirak: Juski: but now I have this stupid message
[23:22:58] Anduin: Juski: pretty
[23:23:08] mirak: nevermind I will record on windows
[23:23:27] Juski: cesman: there should be more ready-rolled mythtv distros imho :)
[23:23:51] jams: that is pretty
[23:23:53] Juski: you're doin' good stuff (not as if you dont know it) ;)
[23:24:16] briand: Juski: will you be 'releasing' your theme, once finished?
[23:24:18] jams: just shift everything down so it fits between the grey bars
[23:24:25] Juski: jams: it'd be prettier if the top bar wasn't visible
[23:24:33] laga: cesman: what about your plans for moving knoppmyth to ubuntu? sorry, i promised to give my experiencies with MeinMythTV back to the project – but in the end, everything was either already fixed in 0.19-fixes or just not worth the trouble :)
[23:24:49] cesman: Juski: Why? When KnoppMyth is the best! ;)
[23:25:22] cesman: laga: what about it?
[23:25:25] Juski: briand: of course I'll be unleashing it... and there's every chance it'll make it in the 0.20 myththemes packages (I hope)
[23:25:26] mirak: Juski: if I have some idea I take it
[23:25:33] Juski: cesman: heheh
[23:25:53] briand: cool. What I see of it so far, is nice.
[23:26:10] laga: cesman: i was just wondering if you're gonna do it or not. because i have the strong urge to build a mythtv distro based on ubuntu. can't... resist... ;)
[23:26:14] Juski: briand: it's 'just' a rework of my existing themes at www.juski.co.uk/pg/
[23:26:29] cesman: laga: then build it
[23:26:40] Juski: laga: based on ubuntu but hosted in russia.. lol
[23:26:50] cesman: laga: don't wait on me to start on R6....
[23:27:14] Juski: or will it come without mp3, ffmpeg export, libdvdfoobar.... ? ;)
[23:27:28] cesman: laga: if I'd have waited on someone to start "knoppix myth", I might not have started KnoppMyth
[23:27:41] laga: cesman: hey, no offense. i really like knoppmyth and i appreciate how much time you spent on it. i was just wondering about your plans.
[23:27:52] cesman: if you build it, they will come
[23:28:03] cesman: laga: non taken
[23:28:09] Juski: laga: who's doing tech support? ;)
[23:28:14] laga: Juski: you.
[23:28:19] briand: heh
[23:28:19] laga: Juski: thanks for the offer!
[23:28:28] Juski: FO
[23:28:30] Juski: ;)
[23:28:59] Juski: naw it'd be fun.. erm... ahhh.. well...
[23:29:06] laga: Juski: i kinda was thinking "just make it idiot-proof". but well, the world usually comes up with bigger idiots if you try to do that, but anyways, it'd be worth a try.
[23:29:12] laga: and someone else in here had similar plans.
[23:29:16] Juski: good thinking :)
[23:29:56] Juski: actually I'd like to help out if I can, re the ideas we've mulled over about wizardy stuff
[23:30:11] laga: cesman: did you upgrade the debian base of knoppmyth? with R5B7, stuff like X was quite dated. (again, no offense intended – it's got to bit a lot of work to do a proper upgrade)
[23:30:21] laga: Juski: humm. sounds like a plan.
[23:30:55] cesman: laga: no.
[23:31:23] cesman: laga: I don't _care_ about some items being date when they _work_
[23:31:35] laga: cesman: that's true, indeed.
[23:31:51] briand: agreed. "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"
[23:31:53] cesman: :)
[23:32:12] ** jams breaks things to fix them **
[23:32:34] cesman: trust me, updating certain items is _nothing but pain for me_
[23:32:42] laga: yep. like X. :)
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[23:34:05] laga: Juski: i was thinking about a installer that'd be fit both advanced people and, umm, newbies. like "do not change this unless you know what you're doing. click here for a looong explanation".
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[23:34:29] forg: I have a pvr-250 & a hppg go-tv: how do I find out which one is at /dev/video0 and where the other one is?
[23:34:55] cesman: dmesg
[23:34:59] laga: forg: hi. welcome to our friendly club!
[23:34:59] MrChambers: only 2 of my channels show up when watching "live" tv, and the rest are all static, and the ones that do show up are very poor in quality?
[23:35:11] forg: laga: thanks
[23:35:24] briand: MrChambers: probably the wrong tuner type is set
[23:35:41] MrChambers: where would i check that briand?
[23:35:46] briand: dmesg
[23:35:52] MrChambers: just type that at a xterm?
[23:36:01] briand: between the ====start ivtv==== and the ===end ivtv====
[23:36:35] MrChambers: hm..
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[23:53:22] jams: whats preferred when doing an install. Asking for network settings before the install or as a "firstboot" sort of thing?
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[23:54:26] ** fcukthisgame has a question **
[23:54:53] fcukthisgame: how can an xbox be used for mythtv without a tv tuner??
[23:54:59] laga: well. maybe you'd want to pull in fresh updates during install, so it might be good if there was a network link
[23:55:07] Juski: fcukthisgame: as a frontend only, that's how
[23:55:10] laga: fcukthisgame: the xbox is just a frontend....
[23:55:21] fcukthisgame: so your backend would come from...another pc somewhere else?
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[23:55:34] cesman: yes
[23:55:35] Juski: yup
[23:55:39] fcukthisgame: ok
[23:55:45] fcukthisgame: next question
[23:55:48] xrothgarx: fcukthisgame: yes, the xbox just streams the media over the network
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[23:55:57] fcukthisgame: ah
[23:56:28] fcukthisgame: mythtv works similarly to windows MCE, right? so there would be a benefit of having mythtv ...before i get a tuner card/
[23:56:51] xrothgarx: depends on what your needs are
[23:56:59] jams: thanks laga
[23:57:06] fcukthisgame: ?
[23:57:17] xrothgarx: the big draw to myth is the fact that it uses tuner cards and can also do music, dvd's etc
[23:57:33] fcukthisgame: I wouldn't mind having xmltv going to check my local channel listings
[23:57:38] fcukthisgame: yeah
[23:57:38] xrothgarx: there are a lot of free windows and linux software out there that dont work with tuners
[23:57:42] fcukthisgame: so it is kinda like MCE
[23:57:54] fcukthisgame: hell MCE doesnt work with AIW card tuners...
[23:58:08] GreyFoxx: And myth spports, pvr cards, dvb,old tuners, firewire, dreambox, and now iptv streams etc etc as recording sources
[23:58:18] fcukthisgame: dang
[23:58:20] fcukthisgame: yepp
[23:58:23] cesman: only certain tuner will work with MCE
[23:58:25] xrothgarx: yes it is similar to mce, like linux is similar to windows
[23:58:42] fcukthisgame: I'll be buying one of the hauppage pvr-500's soon.
[23:58:46] laga: mythtv won't support the AIW either :)
[23:58:47] cesman: MCE is Windows w/ PVR software
[23:58:48] fcukthisgame: when i get the money...*sigh*
[23:58:52] ** fcukthisgame is poor **
[23:58:55] cesman: MythTV is only PVE software
[23:59:04] GreyFoxx: E ?
[23:59:08] fcukthisgame: well at least media center
[23:59:09] fcukthisgame: my bad
[23:59:09] GreyFoxx: ahhh ok
[23:59:11] cesman: s/PVE/PVR
[23:59:17] GreyFoxx: yeah I see whatyou mean :)
[23:59:28] fcukthisgame: sounds good then
[23:59:35] fcukthisgame: I'd love to play with that, though.

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