Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, August 10th, 2006, 00:03 UTC

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wireddd:

which device should I use for my pvr150? video0 24 or 32?

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quinkin:

What about how the mpeg2 codec is selected? Not meaning the Setup options (Standard, libmpg2, etc) but instead if I have selected "Standard" does it use a builtin codec, or does it load a system codec?

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Beirdo:

it uses the ffmpeg libraries for playback in "standard" mode (last I looked)

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kormoc:

Aye, built-in statically linked ffmpeg libraries

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quinkin:

ah it is builtin – bollocks. thanks guys

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quinkin:

wireddd – if there are only two options you could just try them both....

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** J-e-f-f-A wakes up from hibernation... Yawn... **

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J-e-f-f-A:

Hi xris...

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** xris is not looking forward to the drive home **

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: How far is it?

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wireddd:

when I try to watch tv I get the following error... NVP: Couldn't find a matching decoder for: myth://192.168.1.10:6543/1002_20060809175318.mpg what is wrong?

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xris:

J-e-f-f-A: 28 miles. mainly it's the nasty traffic

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xris:

http://wsdot.wa.gov/traffic/seattle

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xris:

southbound I-5

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: Yeah, I can empathize (sp?) ... my commute is 26 miles, 1/2 of which is highway during rush-hour, and 1/2 of which is a 'route'... it takes me approx 1 hr.

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xris:

tonight seems to be particularly bad

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J-e-f-f-A:

Hey, I picked up a couple of books on Ajax... Nice stuff! ;-)

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wireddd:

anyone know what I am missing?

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J-e-f-f-A:

wireddd: What was your question?

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wireddd:

I get this error about nvp not being able to find a matching decoder

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wireddd:

when I try and watch tv from the computer which is the frontend

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wireddd:

I don't understand what it means

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J-e-f-f-A:

wireddd: Not sure off the top of my head... What's your tuner card? Did you get a successful capture test during setup?

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wireddd:

its a hauppage pvr 150, and I don't think I ever did a capture test

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J-e-f-f-A:

wireddd:

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J-e-f-f-A:

wireddd: (oops) — check that the video device is created... Should be something like /dev/video0 (or another # if you have more than one card)

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J-e-f-f-A:

wireddd: What os?

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wireddd:

its debian etch, I have /dev/video0 /dev/video24 and /dev/video32

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J-e-f-f-A:

wireddd: Ok, your pvr150 should be /dev/video0 — if the same command works in debian as FC4, you can check that it initialized by doing a "dmesg |grep ivtv"...

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J-e-f-f-A:

wireddd: Or: "dmesg |grep Initialized"

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wireddd:

ivtv0: Initialized Hauppauge WinTV PVR-150, card #0

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J-e-f-f-A:

good.

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wireddd:

so that should be video0?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Check out http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php#capture — I know it's for FC4, but the capture card test will work for you... Scroll down to "Now you need to set some aspects of the capture card for test capturing.", about 1/2 way down.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yes (video0)

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J-e-f-f-A:

To do a test capture, do the appropriate ivtvctrl commands as shown in his howto (to initialize the card), then follow the instructions to do the capture using 'cat', and playback test using 'mplayer'...

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jepeltw_:

hello all, if the IP address of my backend server changes, I have to edit: mythtv-setup(backend), mythfronted(backend), mythtv-setup(2nd machine) and mythfronted(2nd machine)?

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J-e-f-f-A:

jepeltw_: That sounds about right. Did you change it on purpose, or did you not give it a static IP in the first place?

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jepeltw_:

J-e-f-f-A, I installed a new NIC, and my router uses DHCP. It'll never change again; but the address is tied to the card

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** J-e-f-f-A gives all his myth boxes static ip's... **

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jepeltw_:

it's effectively static, unless my NIC changes, which it won't

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J-e-f-f-A:

jepeltw_: I'd give it a static IP outside the router's DHCP address, such as 192.168.1.99, then set your frontends to use it. Then no matter what changes (router, etc), you won't have to go through the hassle again.

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jepeltw_:

J-e-f-f-A, good idea; I could always turn off DHCP

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jepeltw_:

w00t, live TV works on the backend machine!

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J-e-f-f-A:

jepeltw_: I have DHCP on my router, so other machines can get a dynamic ip. But my myth boxes are all static, outside the dynamic range of the router.

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jepeltw_:

ah

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J-e-f-f-A:

wireddd: Did you see my note to try the 'capture test' section of Jarod's guide before your connection dropped?

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J-e-f-f-A:

jepeltw_: Your dynamic addresses are something like 192.168.1.100, 101, 102 (or 0.100, 0.101.. etc), right?

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Beirdo:

hmmm

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J-e-f-f-A:

Hey Beirdo... How ya doin'?

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Beirdo:

I wonder if I shouldn't forget about repacking the YUV420 and get the GPU to actually do that

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Beirdo:

not too bad

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Beirdo:

just trying to decide what should be my next step....

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Beirdo:

hmmm

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** gardengnome ponders going to bed **

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Beirdo:

I wish the GPUs had more than 4 textures to bind

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Humm... what are you working on? Still the H.264 stuff (or was that xris... I can't remember)

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Beirdo:

nah, working on denoising, etc in the GPU

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Beirdo:

I'm thinking rather than convert from YUV420P to YUV444P in the CPU, just hand off the three planes as three textures (for every frame) and combine and normalize in the GPU

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: I don't know enough about the hardware to give an educated answer... But if the GPU will do the work, then it sounds good to me!

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Beirdo:

yeah, it can

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Beirdo:

and more importantly...

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Beirdo:

less data transfer

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Beirdo:

although I'd have to rescale it back to YUV420 and export three different textures in the end...

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Beirdo:

hmmm

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Beirdo:

bah, just spit it out as YUV444

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Beirdo:

I'll worry about THAT part later ;)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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J-e-f-f-A:

;-)

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** jepeltw_ wonders if he'll fix mythtv in 20 minutes to watch Futurama **

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J-e-f-f-A:

jepeltw_: Did you give your backend a static ip?

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adante:

maybe futurama will fix it in 20 minutes to watch YOU

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adante:

eh eh

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gardengnome:

!trout adante hehe

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** MythLogBot slaps adante with a hehe trout on behalf of gardengnome... **

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jepeltw_:

J-e-f-f-A, it's as good as static

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J-e-f-f-A:

jepeltw_: So 20 mins (er, make that 18 now), should be pleanty to set your frontends to the right address...

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jepeltw:

J-e-f-f-A, hopefully, except that mysql hates me now

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J-e-f-f-A:

jepeltw: Ick... Well then... Change your router's DHCP range to exclude your old backend address, then set your backend to the old address via static...

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J-e-f-f-A:

jepeltw: And renew any machines to get new ip's...

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jepeltw_:

oh my God, it works

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xris:

J-e-f-f-A: I figured out the h.264 stuff awhile ago

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jhatch:

all, I needed to rebuild the seektables for all my recordings because my DB got messed up and I could no longer ff and rewind. Finally, now I can, but the length that myth shows the recording to be is now all screwed up (1 hr show displayed as 9 minutes). The entire recording is there, but it makes the 3x ff go super fast, as if it were seeking through a 9 minute video. Any way to reset the video lengths?

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: Kewl. Some day when I get an ipod video or PSP, I'll have to look into it... ;-)

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jepeltw_:

J-e-f-f-A, the frontend starts now on the guest machine, but Watch TV doesn't work

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wireddd:

ok I am getting a tuner type not set in dmesg

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J-e-f-f-A:

jepeltw_: You changed the IP for the backend, right... Does it connect ok, or tell you that the backend is gone?

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jepeltw_:

J-e-f-f-A, it connects

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jepeltw_:

J-e-f-f-A, system status doesn't scream the backend is gone

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J-e-f-f-A:

jepeltw_: Humm... Is it the same network as the old router? IE: Still 192.168.1.x ?

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jepeltw_:

aha, the backend is screaming because the store directory stopped working

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J-e-f-f-A:

wireddd: I'd search the lists for your specific card number to see what the tuner type should be set to...

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J-e-f-f-A:

wireddd: (I didn't need to set it on my PVR's)

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J-e-f-f-A:

jepeltw_: Any luck yet?

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jepeltw_:

J-e-f-f-A, NFS needs to die a horrible death

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jepeltw_:

backend's choking on the lock file

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jepeltw_:

J-e-f-f-A, I mv'd /mnt/store to store.old, made a new XFS 30GB partition, and mounted it to /mnt/store

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difeta:

how can I add more video encoders so that I can transcode to mpeg2?

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J-e-f-f-A:

jepeltw_: You've got 5.5 minutes left... ya back up yet?

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jepeltw_:

nope

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jepeltw_:

J-e-f-f-A, the one computer that works is too slow to decode MPEG live, so watching there is impossible

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gardengnome:

umm, just record it then?

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jepeltw_:

OMG

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jepeltw_:

there was an extra mythbackend

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jepeltw_:

I killed it

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jepeltw_:

and it works on the Mac

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jepeltw_:

I am watching live TV over the network!

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jepeltw_:

MythTV and #mythtv-users, I love you all!

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J-e-f-f-A:

jepeltw_: Yep. But it's much more fun to watch recorded programs that have been commercial-flagged... ;-)

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gardengnome:

heh

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jepeltw_:

J-e-f-f-A, someone here challenged me to figure out how to set up a backend on my (much faster) laptop to be a slave and comflag for the master

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gardengnome:

4am sounds like a good time to go to bed. g'night guys.

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jepeltw_:

night GG

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jepeltw_:

and it automagically changes the channel!

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jepeltw_:

praise!

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** jepeltw_ watches Mythbusters with MythTV **

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J-e-f-f-A:

jepeltw_: Well, my backend is just a dual PIII 866... Not fast by today's standards...

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jepeltw_:

J-e-f-f-A, mine is a K6–2 380 Mhz!

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jepeltw_:

pwnd!

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** difeta watces absolutley everything on mythtv.. presently.. Dog the Bounty Hunter **

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** jepeltw_ goes to find the Pause button **

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J-e-f-f-A:

jepeltw_: Yeah, I guess that's a little slow.

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jepeltw_:

J-e-f-f-A, someone warned me it might not work, but it does

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J-e-f-f-A:

jepeltw_: w

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J-e-f-f-A:

jepeltw_: Well, with a hardware tuner, it's probably using very little of the cpu anyways.

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jepeltw_:

J-e-f-f-A, CPU usage is almost zero

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J-e-f-f-A:

jepeltw_: It's using more CPU time to push it over the network than to record... ;-)

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jepeltw_:

J-e-f-f-A, the quality is perfect

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J-e-f-f-A:

jepeltw_: Yeah, the Hauppauge cards have a great mpeg encoder in them.

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jepeltw_:

what's the keyboard key to pause?

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J-e-f-f-A:

P

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jepeltw_:

sorry, the User manual only has the remote control key

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J-e-f-f-A:

that's ok... ;-)

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jepeltw_:

J-e-f-f-A, I have a PVR-150 and it has a remote control jack. Is there a way to control a different frontend with it over the network?

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J-e-f-f-A:

jepeltw_: Umm... I dunno. I know that theoretically it's possible, as the frontend can be controlled over the network now, but I don't know if anybody's done it that way (yet?).

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evilDagmar:

Telnet to it

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J-e-f-f-A:

jepeltw_: Probably an easier way is to build a serial ir receiver for your frontend.

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xrothgarx:

ok, I am determined to get mythtv working tonight :) Here is my setup (kubuntu 6.06, Fusion HDTV gold + capture card (using QAM), 512 ram, 1.8 p4, 80 gig hd) I have been working on this for at least a year and I still cannot watch live tv

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xrothgarx:

the backend is installed, the frontend is installed

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wireddd:

does ivtv have a support channel?

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xrothgarx:

when I go to watch tv the screen goes black and then just kicks back to the main menu

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xrothgarx:

when I go into mythtv-setup -> capture card I get the error "Could not open card #0" I tried other cards and they all do not exist

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J-e-f-f-A:

xrothgarx: Does the device show up in /dev/dvb/ ?

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xrothgarx:

I hate to be demanding (you guys have been so much help in the past) but I have some time to work on this and I would really like to see if I can get it to work (when I say "I" I mean you guys cause you all rock!!)

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xrothgarx:

ls only shows adapter0

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wireddd:

J-e-f-f-A, here is the ivtv stuff from dmesg, could you take a look at it and give me some advice? http://pastebin.ca/124459

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J-e-f-f-A:

xrothgarx: Ok, so it's loading the driver then, otherwise 'adapter0' wouldn't exist.

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J-e-f-f-A:

wireddd: I'll try... ;-)

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xrothgarx:

ya, and I was able to see the adapter in other programs but I have just never been able to watch anything with it under linux

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wireddd:

thanks I would appreciate it

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jepeltw_:

J-e-f-f-A, neither of my frontends have serial ports, so it'll have to be USB

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J-e-f-f-A:

jepeltw_: I can recommend the M$ MCE USB remote... It works well, even though it bears the M$ name...

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jams:

the streamzap is better

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jepeltw_:

J-e-f-f-A, that can be bought standalone, right?

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J-e-f-f-A:

jepeltw_: Not through retail, but through ebay or newegg or such...

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xrothgarx:

is there a way for me to test my card? just to make sure the signal is all working? I also heard there were special things you had to do if you wanted to use QAM and not OTA

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J-e-f-f-A:

wireddd: — It looks like you may need to install a firmware file — "cx25840 0–0044: unable to open firmware v4l-cx25840.fw" ...

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J-e-f-f-A:

wireddd: On my FC4 system it's located in 3 places for some reason ... /lib/modules , /lib/firmware , and /etc/firmware ...

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J-e-f-f-A:

xrothgarx: Humm... I'm sure there is, but I'm not familiar with that card. I'd suggest searching the gossamer Mythtv threads.

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xrothgarx:

gossamer?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yep – a searchable archive of the MythTV mailing lists: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv

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xrothgarx:

ok, I will give it a shot

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xrothgarx:

but not a lot of people have my card, and all the people that seem to have it have no problems whatsoever :(

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hads:

This last paragraph of this article is quite interesting; http://www.infoworld.com/article/06/08/02/32OPcurve_1.html

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difeta:

how can I get the network logos to appear in the program guide?

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xrothgarx:

ok, mythtv-setup detects the card now, and can open it!! :)

[02:54:26]

xrothgarx:

I am scanning for channels now but it doesnt look good

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xrothgarx:

I am not getting locks on anything

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J-e-f-f-A:

difeta: Check out http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/tips.php — the bottom "Channel Icons in EPG-"

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difeta:

thanks

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J-e-f-f-A:

difeta: (Although that may only apply to US folks... If you're outside the US, it may not apply...)

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Home already?

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difeta:

J-e-f-f-A, I'm in the US. But I don't have that script

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J-e-f-f-A:

difeta: Humm... did you try a find? Perhaps it's in a different directory... ie: find / -name mkiconmap.pl

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difeta:

i'm doing a updatedb right now. I'll attempt a locate when its done

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J-e-f-f-A:

I'm running .19 on FC4 — it's here on my system: /usr/share/doc/mythtv-0.19/contrib/mkiconmap.pl

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difeta:

J-e-f-f-A, nothing.

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J-e-f-f-A:

difeta: (But I may have downloaded the 'contrib' package seperately... I don't remember, it's been a while!)

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difeta:

I'm getting the source now. I'll try to get the script there

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xrothgarx:

ok, my card opens and is found in myth-setup. I can scan for channels and using OTA some channels are actually locked on

[03:06:50]

xrothgarx:

when I go to myth-frontend -> watch tv my screen still goes black and kicks me out to the menu

[03:07:15]

xrothgarx:

I have not been able to successfully run mythfilldatabase, could that cause that problem?

[03:07:28]

xrothgarx:

or is the DB just for the program guide?

[03:07:48]

Beirdo:

that would likely be a large part of the problem

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xrothgarx:

ok then maybe someone can help me get mythfilldatabase to run properly :)

[03:09:22]

xrothgarx:

when I do it I get this error

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** xrothgarx goes to pastebin.ca **

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xrothgarx:

www.pastebin.ca/124518

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xrothgarx:

I think someone had told me before that my MySQL database was the wrong version (too new) for mythtv

[03:12:52]

xrothgarx:

and I need to downgrade it (but the steps I took to downgrade it wern't working)

[03:13:19]

xrothgarx:

I endend the mythfilldb early because it was all just errors

[03:14:45]

xrothgarx:

any help would be appriciated, I think I may actually be able to get my card working tonight (then I just need my remote and sound card)

[03:15:28]

cmoates:

How can I prevent a certain channel from being used on a particular tuner?

[03:17:19]

kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, aye, I live closeish to work :P

[03:17:22]

J-e-f-f-A:

cmoates: You need to create seperate channel lineups for each tuner, and delete the channels you don't want.

[03:17:45]

cmoates:

And what if I can't make separate lineups? Zap2It won't allow it for the same provider

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J-e-f-f-A:

cmoates: Just use an adjacent town/city's zip code, with the same provider... That's what I do for HD OTA channels vs other channels.

[03:18:57]

cmoates:

Hm, I'll have to play aound with that more. I picked an adjacent zipcode but it said it was the same provider

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xrothgarx:

J-e-f-f-A what HD cadr do you use?

[03:19:25]

J-e-f-f-A:

xrothgarx: An HD3000 — I bought it during the 'Broadcast Flag" scare...

[03:20:01]

xrothgarx:

have you got to play around with any of the 5k series they are putting out?

[03:20:20]

cmoates:

I have the newest gen air2pc card

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J-e-f-f-A:

xrothgarx: Nope – ATM I don't have the cash to either... :-(

[03:22:18]

xrothgarx:

man the price has come down on hd cards, if I would have just waited I could have one working by now (maybe)

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xrothgarx:

is there a way to check if mysql is even running?

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cmoates:

ps aux | grep mysql

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cmoates:

?

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xrothgarx:

what is that supposed to return? hehe

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cmoates:

It returns a list of processes with mysql in the name

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cmoates:

if the only thing you get back is "grep mysql" then mysql isn't running

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xrothgarx:

ok, then that looks good

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Elmoe:

hey can mythgame load roms that are zipped up or do I need to unpack them?

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word_:

Err phpmyadmin is saying it can't load the mysql module..but i have php5-mysql installed..what could be the problem?

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word_:

(i'm asking here since it's a step in installing mythtv)

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kormoc:

why would phpmyadmin be a step in installing mythtv?

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xrothgarx:

it is in a lot of tutorials (for mythweb)

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kormoc:

that's really strange, mythweb installing doesn't require any database changes

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word_:

yah...uh..i dont make tuts i follow them lol...no idea

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kormoc:

honestly, you might want to switch over to the offical docs and follow them, as they don't need phpmyadmin

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word_:

it uses phpmyadmin to configure the mysql

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kormoc:

well, there's really no need to, as the sql file that the offical docs say to import setups the mysql user for myth

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kormoc:

and the database

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word_:

oh o.O

[03:32:33]

word_:

ok

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kormoc:

and requires the same admount of mysql setup as phpmyadmin requires, and less php configuration, as it doesn't require php at all

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sw_bluntman:

does anyone else get 404 not found errors updating the channel icons? or is it just me?

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kormoc:

word_, http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2

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kormoc:

if you don't have mc.sql, you can get it from...

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kormoc:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . l?format=raw

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xrothgarx:

is there a easy way to upgrade to myth .19? That is supposed to fix the mysql error I am having too

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kormoc:

the wiki has some pages on updating

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xrothgarx:

nice, thanks

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kormoc:

but usually, it's just, update myth, run it, and it updates the db automatically

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defaultro:

just curious folks, what video card are you using to connect to your standard tv(not hdtv) to watch recorded programs?

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gr00ve:

i have an nvidia mx440

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Aid`:

Geforce mx 440

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Aid`:

good video card :P

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gr00ve:

i've also used a pvr350's svid out and an ati 9600, i like the nvidia the best so far

[04:09:17]

gr00ve:

yeah seems to work well. fwiw i still have various config issues that i'm trying to tune up – ie the playback doesn't look as good as the original signal in color/detail, and the sound quality's not quite as good on playback. i'm not sure if that's to be expected and i'm being too picky or not

[04:09:36]

Aid`:

yeah i get that too

[04:09:46]

Aid`:

video on my screen is better than on my tv

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Daedalus_:

Are the modern (new) Via chipsets ok to use with the pvrXXX lines?

[04:10:32]

gr00ve:

oh – i'd expect that Aid`, just because most computer monitors are of a better clarity than any sdtv i've seen... i meant between the cable signal and the playback after i've recorded it...

[04:10:56]

gr00ve:

i've heard people mention to use the composite out on my cable box instead of the coax into the tuner card, but i haven't had the chance to switch it over and try

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xrothgarx:

ok, I just upgraded to .19 and I want to stop the backend so I can do mythtv-setup. but mythbackend stop didn't work (I know there was just something I was doing wrong)

[04:11:33]

medwards:

/etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop maybe?

[04:11:43]

gr00ve:

Daedalus_ – are you aware of issues with via chipsets and pvr's ? i've not seen via problems in a few years now that i'm aware of

[04:12:21]

gr00ve:

assuming you're on linux, if it's not recording or doing anything at the moment, you could probably do "killall mythbackend" and bring it down

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xrothgarx:

when I run which mythbackend it says it is in /usr/bin/

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xrothgarx:

and mythtv-backend didn't show up with anything

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gr00ve:

that's where the binary is

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gr00ve:

the startup script is usually used to launch and tear it down, however

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xrothgarx:

ahh, sudo worked

[04:13:22]

xrothgarx:

thanks

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gr00ve:

oh – yeah you need root to control the backend, sorry

[04:14:07]

gr00ve:

hope you backed up the mythconverg db prior to upgrading! i've had to roll back a few times

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Daedalus_:

groove: Yeah. I've just bounced between 2 different boxes with Via chipsets and had the classic "random reboot while recording" via symptom. Both boxes are a few years old however.

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gr00ve:

which via chipset?

[04:14:52]

gr00ve:

is that for an old athlon xp3200 type system?

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Daedalus_:

Erm... both boxes are down at the moment. One is an athlon, the other is a dual PIII.

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gr00ve:

ah yeah – that's back around when they were problematic designs

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xrothgarx:

I didn't back up anything because nothing was working in the first place (I had mysql5 installed which apparently doesnt work with myth 0.18)

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xrothgarx:

so I could either roll back to mysql4 or upgrade to .19

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xrothgarx:

I chose the the later

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gr00ve:

anything recent by them is okay, to my knowledge... however in windows they're still kludgy with those darn 4-in-1 drivers... yuck

[04:16:24]

gr00ve:

xrothgarx – that's convenient, in that case you won't have to worry about losing shows! ;)

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Daedalus_:

gr00ve: but you say they seem to be OK nowadays? (I am looking to pick up yearold hardware to make a cheap mythbox. eg Pentium D class...

[04:16:46]

gr00ve:

i've not heard of any problems with via since that old southbridge that had the issues

[04:17:01]

gr00ve:

you could go with an intel chipset and save yourself that worry, if you're nervous about it

[04:17:13]

gr00ve:

which pentium-d are you looking toward? 8xx, 9xx ?

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Daedalus_:

Gotcha. I'll probably aim for intel anyway, but just in case... Uh. It was a mid-class with a 800MHx fsb. I forget if that puts it in the uper 8xx or the lower 9xx. Probably 8xx. I haven't looked since last night.

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gr00ve:

yeah the 800s i think, then

[04:20:24]

gr00ve:

that's a nice chip. the 900's add a few nice but not necessary features

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Daedalus_:

*nods* I don't really care about speedstep. Did they add anything else of note?

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gr00ve:

that's where you get into the enhanced speedstep and ddr2 and pci-x capabilities. not too important for a myth box though.

[04:21:01]

Daedalus_:

Ah.

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gr00ve:

i have a 920 and it's mismatched with an intel 845 chipset( ie – doesn't have all the snazzy new features )

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Daedalus_:

ddr2? How do you improve on ddr?

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gr00ve:

it's the fastest box i've ever used linux with.. just amazing, and it's only a 2.8ghz

[04:21:32]

jhatch:

add a '2'...

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Daedalus_:

Wider data path?

[04:21:43]

Daedalus_:

jhatch: Ha. :-P

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gr00ve:

ddr2 – higher clock, lower end-result latency

[04:22:22]

gr00ve:

it's used in some vidcards already( actually they're onto ddr3 i think already)

[04:22:40]

jhatch:

someone at work explained the improvements to me once... don't ask me to repeat them...

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gr00ve:

i think it's a waste at the moment, personally... good ddr ram seems plenty fast for now

[04:23:00]

gr00ve:

the downside of ddr2 mobos is that none seem to have agp that i've seen

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Daedalus_:

Huh... so 266/333/400Mhz type gradations of ddr wasn't enough. Had to make their own new name...

[04:23:27]

gr00ve:

so then you're into pci-x and need a new videocard... that's just too much upgrade for no return in a myth machine

[04:23:28]

Daedalus_:

all pci-e x16?

[04:23:29]

jhatch:

My laptop has ddr2... I don't see any benefit other than I will have the ability to buy RAM for a little longer.

[04:23:42]

xrothgarx:

ok, so I have updated to .19, my card (fusionHDTV gold +) is finally detected and can open in mythtv-setup I can even scan for channels, but when I go to mythtvfrontend -> watch tv it just gives me a quick black screen then back to the menu

[04:23:48]

xrothgarx:

any suggestions?

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gr00ve:

Daedalus – i think so(pci-x16). and there's a little more to DDR2 than just a new nomenclature to reflect different speeds.. the architectures different

[04:24:32]

Daedalus_:

xrothgarx: check the syslog? See if the drivers are throwing an error?

[04:24:44]

gr00ve:

look in the backend and frontend logs

[04:25:07]

Daedalus_:

gr00ve: interesting. I should go look into it for giggles.

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rlbond:

hey, can anyone help me? i just set myth up, and it was working fine, and now it froze. i'm using knoppmyth

[04:25:57]

** gr00ve wishes he'd studied EE in college, that'd have been really useful **

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xrothgarx:

where are the logs located? (I am still a n00b obviously)

[04:26:20]

rlbond:

i'm assuming it's not normal to freeze

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gr00ve:

i have enough troubles just trying to troubleshoot a simple audio amp circuit like the one in my wurlitzer electric piano when it acts up

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gr00ve:

xrothgarx – backend log on my system drops into /var/log/myth/mythbackend.log

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gr00ve:

you might also look at the end of /var/log/messages just in case anything's there

[04:27:11]

gr00ve:

and the frontend – i think you tell it to log and where to via

[04:27:14]

jhatch:

xrothgarx, is it myth that's frozen or the whole system?

[04:27:22]

gr00ve:

the startup script – or command when you launch it

[04:27:37]

jhatch:

sorry, meant rlbond

[04:28:35]

jhatch:

rlbond, is it myth that's frozen or the whole system?

[04:28:35]

gr00ve:

mythfrontend --logfile /tmp/mythlog

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gr00ve:

for example

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rlbond:

how can i tell?

[04:29:14]

gr00ve:

rlbond – same thing for you – if the system's still running, you can check the frontend and backend logs for a clue...

[04:29:21]

gr00ve:

rlbond – try typing in a shell or logging into it

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jhatch:

CAn you do anything to the system? login remotely, ping, does the caps lock light work?

[04:29:49]

rlbond:

nope

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gr00ve:

if that works, you can try restarting mythfrontend ( for me that involves as root doing something like "/etc/init.d/xdm restart" – ymmv )

[04:30:04]

xrothgarx:

if there is nothing in the log is that a good thing?

[04:30:05]

jhatch:

reboot it and check logs...

[04:30:19]

rlbond:

how do u check logs

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jhatch:

wait, knoppmyth... likely no logs...

[04:30:43]

gr00ve:

is knoppmyth like a livecd type of system or something?

[04:30:48]

jhatch:

check your temperatures... if you can check them in the BIOS.

[04:31:03]

jhatch:

knoppmyth = knoppix + mythtv.

[04:31:06]

rlbond:

nah, it's pretty crummy bios

[04:31:16]

rlbond:

my harddrive feels kinda hot though

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gr00ve:

that's not unusual – depends on _how_ hot...

[04:31:43]

gr00ve:

they're usually uncomfortably hot to touch when they've been spinning for a while

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gr00ve:

rlbond – what cpu is in that system?

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rlbond:

hmm... the only thing is every once in a while i hear a loud sound, much like a capacitor in a flash camera. i think it might be the harddrive, but i haven't really had trouble with it

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gr00ve:

is it p4 of some sort?

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rlbond:

amd64 sempron

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gr00ve:

that's a hard drive kind of sound...

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gr00ve:

okay... not sure about amd64's – it may dump some lines into syslog( not sure if knoppix lacks syslog? ) if it's thermal throttling and the kernel's aware of it

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xrothgarx:

mine isn't knoppmyth, it is kubuntu

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rlbond:

yea it just did it again. i hope my hd isn't bad. it's always worked before

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rlbond:

and i don't know that much about linux

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gr00ve:

rlbond is it making a sound again?

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jhatch:

if you have another computer you could try redirecting the console of the mythtv to ttyS0, plug in a laptop or something to the mythtv using a null modem cable and then you would be able to monitor for things like kernel panics, etc.

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gr00ve:

rlbond – if i were you i'd test the heat theory – pop the lid and cool it down for a half our

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gr00ve:

then see if lasts longer

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rlbond:

ok

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rlbond:

the case is open right now. i just got the thing build and configured

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gr00ve:

xrothgarx – sorry lost your thread for a sec. nothing in the log means it didn't log anything useful, that's all. it's not necessarily good or bad

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gr00ve:

xrothgarx – what build are you running? is it an official release or svn or what?

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rlbond:

...and now the ide light won't go out

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rlbond:

but i hear no hd activity

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gr00ve:

rlbond your drive may be failing

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gr00ve:

i'd shut it down and let it cool

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jhatch:

rlbond, that's my thought as well.

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gr00ve:

if you have trouble starting it up in a half hour or whatever it takes to cool it to room temp, throw it in the freezer for an hour and try it again

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rlbond:

lol ok

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gr00ve:

and no i'm not kidding... when the drive fails the head's usually rubbing the platters

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rlbond:

i've heard the freezer thing before

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gr00ve:

you can sometimes get around that temporarily by causing the metals to shrink slightly and giving a little extra clearance

[04:37:07]

gr00ve:

you can also _lightly_ tap the drive with a screwdriver on it's narrow side if it doesn't seem to spin up

[04:37:25]

gr00ve:

and sometimes that'll coax the motor into action. if you find yourself in that boat – grab data off it asap and copy it elsewhere

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gr00ve:

you're in for a new drive

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jhatch:

The freezer method is sometimes a "one try" thing though.... and if you get condensation on the platters it isn't going to help matters.

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gr00ve:

jhatch – yeah that's a last resort if it won't start at all

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gr00ve:

although fwiw the platters _should_ be sealed – if there's air leakage into the drive – that may be why it's crashing!

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gr00ve:

eh come to think of it there'd be moisture inside the seal so condensation's a definitely risk

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jepeltw:

gr00ve, not disputing what you're saying, but if the platters are sealed, how does the drive adjust to different altitudes?

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jhatch:

I've gotten stuck spindles going again by holding the drive in my hand and rotating it quickly about 10 degrees counter-clockwise. However you need to try that in the first few seconds after turning it on.

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xrothgarx:

ok, now I rescaned for channels using my card and QAM and the screen just goes black and stays black when I go to watch tv

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xrothgarx:

it is not kicking me back out to the menu and the HD light is flashing every couple of seconds (like it is buffering)

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xrothgarx:

I tried pushing up and down to change channels but nothing is comming up

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jhatch:

xrothgarx, does it let you browse channels?

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xrothgarx:

up down would do that right?

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gr00ve:

jepeltw – not sure, really – why would that matter? i wouldn't expect the pressure inside the drive(assuming if it's not normal air pressure it'd be a slight vacuum) to affect it's functionality as long as all the moving parts are under the same pressure .

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jhatch:

answered the question...

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xrothgarx:

I have never made it this far

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xrothgarx:

:)

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jhatch:

Can you return to the main menu or is it stuck?

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gr00ve:

xrothgarx – what playback setting are you using? xvmc?

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xrothgarx:

esc won't go back to the menu :( gr00ve how would i see my playback settings? in mythtv-setup?

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jhatch:

It woud be interesting to see if it dumped an mpg file to the disk...

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medwards:

wow.. compiling myth was enough to crash metacity...

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gr00ve:

jepeltw – not sure about the pressurization inside the drive casing, i just know that they're sealed presumably to keep dust particles out as they'd easily wreck the drive's reliability

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gr00ve:

xrothgarx – no in the setup menu in mythfrontend

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gr00ve:

there are additional config options there beyond what's in mythtv-setup

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jhatch:

xrothgarx, it's in utilities/setup/setup/tv settings/playback

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xrothgarx:

ok, the box was definatly frozen so it is restarting now

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gr00ve:

mythtv-setup is really just to setup capture cards and some backend parameters

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gr00ve:

the frontend also has a setup menu with quite a lot in it. the tv settings and playback and record profiles are what would affect livetv viewing

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gr00ve:

that should read: playback and recording profiles within the tv settings are what you'd need to worry about

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xrothgarx:

I am in general playback settings right now

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jhatch:

Here's an interesting question that I asked before but didn't get a response... My database got screwed up a bit and it broke my seektables so I couldn't FF and REW in recorded programs. I used mythcommflag to rebuild the tables and I can again FF and REW, but the total length of the show is now reported wrong. Can that be reset?

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gr00ve:

xrothgarx – doublecheck from a shell:

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gr00ve:

cat /proc/interrupts

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gr00ve:

just for kicks – see if you're sharing a lot of irq's

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gr00ve:

jhatch – how'd it change? got longer?

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jhatch:

got MUCH shorter... 30 minutes = 9 minutes now.

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xrothgarx:

ok, I ran cat /proc/interrupts, what am I looking for?

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jhatch:

newly recorded shows report corrently... just the ones I rebuilt the seektables on are wrong.

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gr00ve:

do see lotsa stuff ganged up (in the righthand field) of any interrupt(the numbers on the left)

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gr00ve:

as in:

[04:50:20]

gr00ve:

16: 35895430 IO-APIC-level uhci_hcd, uhci_hcd, ivtv1, nvidia

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gr00ve:

that's showing 4 things shared on irq 16, in my case. not a problem for me, but some mobo's don't share irq's very well

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xrothgarx:

so it would all be separated by commas?

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xrothgarx:

nothing is shared

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gr00ve:

jhatch – clue me in -seektable is a cutlist or flagged commercials?

[04:51:13]

gr00ve:

xroth yes. okay – just something to check, carry on. :)

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xrothgarx:

so what should my settings be in playback settings?

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gr00ve:

jhatch did you clear the db table where seektable info is stored prior to reflagging?

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jhatch:

gr00ve, neither... myth needs it to be able to seek anywhere in the program.. That is how commflagging and FF / REW is done.

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gr00ve:

xrothgarx – not exactly sure for hdtv, but i think you'd want to use XvMC ...

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jhatch:

Nope, I repaired the corrupted table.

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gr00ve:

jhatch – okay... intuitively, i'd expect to have to clear that table for the "bad" programs before reflagging

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gr00ve:

if you have a gap in recordings somewhere in the future you could backup mysql, try it out, and revert if it makes anything worse or doesn't fix it

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jhatch:

I was told to run mythcommflag --rebuild -f <filename.mpg> and that would rebuild them from scratch.

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xrothgarx:

I didn't see XvMC as a option for playback

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gr00ve:

you may also look for duplicate rows for the older programs – that'd indicate that the rebuild didn't remove the old entries, first. not sure how it's supposed to work

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** jhatch is not a mysql expert in any way... **

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gr00ve:

xrothgarx – your build doesn't have XvMC support, it'd seem. i think that may be close to required for HDTV( you said you're HD, right? )

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xrothgarx:

ya

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gr00ve:

mysqldump -u root -p mythconverg > /backupfile.sql

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gr00ve:

shutdown the backend first so it's not trying to touch the tables... then do the backup

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jhatch:

Yes, I know how to dump it, I just need to figure out how to clear the table and what table it is.

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gr00ve:

oh my bad, sorry!

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jhatch:

:P

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gr00ve:

let's see... one sec

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gr00ve:

recordedseek i believe

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jhatch:

maybe, hold on...

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defaultro:

i just got back guys, so groove, you are using mx400. What interface are you using on your tv? RCA or svideo?

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xrothgarx:

premission denied.

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jhatch:

might be mythconverg.recordedmarkup, I think that was the one that got borked...

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gr00ve:

svideo

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word:

er how do you change the password to the mysql database if you forget it?

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defaultro:

btw, my friend gave me ATI Radeon 9100 AGP, is it good?

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xrothgarx:

defaltro – that card sucks, send it to me :)

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gr00ve:

yeah i see that one too... hmm, that'd be a PITA to edit, the way it's stored

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defaultro:

:D

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defaultro:

so it;s not good

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word:

not really

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word:

it probably won't play the most high-end games but it should 'get the job done'

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xrothgarx:

I don't actually think so, but it should be enough for a myth box

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gr00ve:

ati's aren't that great in linux, especially... it's kind of a bargain card, and a few years old

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defaultro:

ah, http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/TV-Out_and_O . . . 000/9100_IGP

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word:

how do you change the a mysql user's pass?

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gr00ve:

see the mysql manuals online for that

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defaultro:

update user set password=password('newpass') where user='somone'

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jhatch:

Is this channel logged somewhere?

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gr00ve:

i think he lost the mysql root passwd

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word:

no just to mythtv user

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defaultro:

for the root, there is a work around

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defaultro:

oh, use the statement i gave you and replace with proper

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xrothgarx:

gr00ve, do you know why I would be getting permission denyed for that backup I ran?

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gr00ve:

yep

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gr00ve:

can you write into the filesystem location you specified after the redirect?

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gr00ve:

if you're sitting in /usr or / as mythtv, it ain't gonna write... :)

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word:

defaultro where do i run that? mysql < statement?

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xrothgarx:

ahhh, good call so ~/?

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defaultro:

that will work too

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defaultro:

there are so many ways

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defaultro:

echo "update user set ........." | mysql -u root -p mysql

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gr00ve:

xrothgarx – that'll work – just make sure you have some room there... my db's around 70megs

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defaultro:

or simplest, just run mysql

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defaultro:

then execute on prompt

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defaultro:

actually, you have to go to manual because these are basics

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defaultro:

my fingers are tired due to playing of guitar

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xrothgarx:

ok, it finished the backup (I don't think there was anything there)

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gr00ve:

what's the size of the output file?

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Ediehow:

hi friends

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Ediehow:

2006-08–10 00:04:01.040 Switching to square mode (G.A.N.T.)

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Ediehow:

mythtv: could not connect to socket

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Ediehow:

mythtv: No such file or directory

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defaultro:

hey folks, what's the latest and coolest theme or skin?

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xrothgarx:

10276 mb (I think it is mb)

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gr00ve:

oh – xrothgarx – i should've mentioned, you should probably add "--add-drop-table" to mysqldump

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gr00ve:

that means if you restore, you don't have to manually drop the tables or drop mythconverg db and recreate it, you can just "cat backupfile.sql | mysql -uroot -p mythconverg" and it will take care of it for you.

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xrothgarx:

what would that do that the current backup doesnt?

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gr00ve:

again make certain the backend is not running when you're doing mysqldump or restore, to be safe...

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gr00ve:

okay let me doublecheck my backup script for exact mysqldump syntax for a hasslefree recovery

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xrothgarx:

ok, I think it finished

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gr00ve:

i don't want to lead you astray where your backup's missing something

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xrothgarx:

haha, don't worry i won't come looking for you

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xrothgarx:

you have been so much help already

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gr00ve:

i see i'm also using "-c" which is described as "use complete insert statements" – i'm not sure if i put that there to avoid some problem or not, however. i do know that i've restored from those dumps without ever having an issue, many times, so if you use -c and --add-drop-table you should be able to recover in one command easily

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rlbond:

hey it's bond again

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gr00ve:

when that's finished, doublecheck (just more or cat or whatever) the output file

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gr00ve:

it's plaintext. you should see "CREATE TABLE " blah blah and then INSERT INTO tablename for each table... if you're missing the CREATE TABLE or INSERTs your backup is not complete.

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gr00ve:

rlbond where'd you leave off?

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rlbond:

so i think my harddrive's working, but now since it froze none of the channel data is there anymore, and i just get static on all the channels. how do i get back to the setup where i configured everything?

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xrothgarx:

rlbond 'mythtv-setup' (make sure to stop the backend first)

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rlbond:

uh... how do i stop the backend

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xrothgarx:

sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop

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xrothgarx:

(I just learned most of this tonight) (or I guess relearned)

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gr00ve:

rlbond you definitely should get whatever you can copied off as a first priority

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rlbond:

eh... there's nothing there, lol

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gr00ve:

if that drive's going bad, you may lose it all if you copy stuff to another box or drive

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gr00ve:

ah okay...

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rlbond:

i seriously just installed myth

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rlbond:

ok so funny question, i hit ctrl-alt-f1 to get to the command prompt

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gr00ve:

i'm curious why you'd lose your card data, though...

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gr00ve:

nod

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rlbond:

how the hell do i log in?

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rlbond:

it keeps telling my my password is wrong

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gr00ve:

what username?

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gr00ve:

root, mythtv?

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xrothgarx:

gr00ve I think I lost what I was supposed to do you said add -c and --add-drop-table but I am not exacly sure how I am to do that

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gr00ve:

try this, xrothgarx:

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rlbond:

it says "mythtv login:"

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rlbond:

then it says "password:"

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gr00ve:

mysqldump -c --add-drop-table -uroot -p mythconverg > ~/mythconverg.sql

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rlbond:

i'm new to this whole linux thing

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gr00ve:

rlbond – when it says login, you'll need to type a username which exists on your machine

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gr00ve:

for a myth machine, that'd probably be either "mythtv" or "root" without the quotes

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xrothgarx:

rlbond, i am too don't worrie you will have a lot of searching to do but you will get it as it comes

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rlbond:

ooh

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rlbond:

root worked

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gr00ve:

k cool, i didn't want to keep typing all that

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rlbond:

ok so i stopped the backend...

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rlbond:

and i ran mythtv-setup, but it can't connect to my X server

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gr00ve:

you can rerun mythtv-setup

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gr00ve:

is X running?

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rlbond:

um...

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gr00ve:

oh

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gr00ve:

sorry -

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xrothgarx:

no, he hit ctr-alt-f1

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rlbond:

lol

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xrothgarx:

that stopped the x session

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gr00ve:

you don't have a display set

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word:

sorry defaultro internet weireded out..what should i do?

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gr00ve:

and your X11 session is running as mythtv, no doubt

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gr00ve:

rlbond, instead:

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gr00ve:

"su – mythtv"

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word:

defaultro: it's saying access denied for root@localhost

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xrothgarx:

rlbond you using knoppmyth? right

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gr00ve:

(strip the quotes)

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rlbond:

yea

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gr00ve:

"export DISPLAY=:0"

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gr00ve:

"mythv-setup"

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gr00ve:

alt-f6 or alt-f7 to switch back to x11, and you should see mythtv-setup running

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rlbond:

sweet, that worked. although i have no idea what just happened

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gr00ve:

lbond – if you care to understand it's easy enough to explain

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word:

er i guess defaultro left...

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xrothgarx:

my sql backup finished (I think we were trying to install XvMC for me)

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rlbond:

yea i'd love to know

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defaultro:

no, i mean here, I'm just browsing about building dedicated home theaters and CRT pj

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gr00ve:

xrothgarx – where'd you get mythtv from? svn?

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gr00ve:

or is it a binary package?

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defaultro:

what's it word?

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word:

I did that command with the statement customized right but it's saying access denied for root@localhost

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defaultro:

you need to provide the proper password for root

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defaultro:

what about just type in only mysql in console, what happens?

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gr00ve:

rlbond – when you logged in on a console as root, two things changed.. 1) your userid – X11 is running as "mythtv" and you effectively switched to root. X11 has a security mechanism that will not allow root to open a window in mythtv's session. there's a way around that, but it's a pain for this and unneeded

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jhatch:

gr00ve, I dumped my database, deleted the data from the recordedmarkup table, re-imported it and I'm running mythcommflag again... we'll see in that does anything cool...

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gr00ve:

rlbond – 2) you left X11 by going to the text console, so your login didn't have the $DISPLAY environment variable set. without that, mythtv-setup doesn't know where to find the X server

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rlbond:

ah

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word:

defaultro: access denied

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gr00ve:

so su – mythtv switched your userid to mythtv to match X11 so you'd be able to open a window, and "export DISPLAY=:0" sets the environment variable DISPLAY to screen 0 on the local host

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gr00ve:

after that you're all set to go....

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xrothgarx:

gr00ve I just updated tonight to .19 I did it by adding ## MythTV packages for 0.19

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xrothgarx:

deb http://knm.org/mythdebs/ binary/

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xrothgarx:

deb-src http://knm.org/mythdebs/ source/

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gr00ve:

jhatch – great, i hope it helps... :)

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xrothgarx:

to my sources.list and then just apt-get upgrade

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word:

defaultro: do you mean the correct mysql root password or just root?

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gr00ve:

jhatch – does that commflag rebuild automagically rebuild _everything_ for you, or do you have to run it on every program?

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gr00ve:

xrothgarx – ah – i shoulda asked you that, sorry... that's gonna mean a recompile for you, i think

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gr00ve:

xrothgarx – maybe you can verify that xvmc's not linked into the frontend, try:

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gr00ve:

"ldd `which mythfrontend`"

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jhatch:

gr00ve, I have to run it on every program. I just did a "for" loop so it'll go quick.

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gr00ve:

or ldd /path/to/mythfrontend

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gr00ve:

and look for any entry that has xvmc in it, like:

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gr00ve:

libXvMC.so.1 => /usr/lib/libXvMC.so.1 (0xb69b3000)

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gr00ve:

for example. if that's not there, xvmc's not linked in... libXv.so is NOT XVMC, by the way.

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xrothgarx:

is that mythfrontend in the usr folder?

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xrothgarx:

or is there a different one like mythtv-backend

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gr00ve:

jhatch – i see. how long does that take you in general? not sure how many programs you have, but how long does an hourlong show commflag take you?

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gr00ve:

mythfrontend's in /usr/bin possibly? not sure on that distribution

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gr00ve:

if you are mythtv user, you can usually just "which mythfrontend" to find the path to it

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rlbond:

ok so how do i start the backend back up?

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word:

defaultro yout here?

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gr00ve:

as root, or via sudo

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xrothgarx:

sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start

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gr00ve:

oh – sorry,

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jhatch:

gr00ve, depends... it does about 700–800fps on HD programming, 2000+fps on SD programming... An hour long show takes about 2 minutes. I have about 50 shows.

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gr00ve:

what he said

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rlbond:

should i ctrl-alt-f1?

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xrothgarx:

libXvMC has no entry for ldd mythfrontend

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gr00ve:

wow, what cpu did you say that is? that's quick relative to my system( i think – actually it flags during record for me, but i'm standard def )

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xrothgarx:

rlbond don't do ctrl-alt-f1

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gr00ve:

rlbond – yeah, sorry – gotta run that from a shell

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rlbond:

ok

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xrothgarx:

you should be able to open a terminal in knoppmyth by rightclicking on the desktop and opening a terminal

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jhatch:

gr00ve, I have a measly Sempron64 2800+... :)

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Kimo:

Hello folks

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gr00ve:

make sure you're root – so if you type "id" and it doesn't say root – make it so

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gr00ve:

jhatch – i gotta try a straight commflag now, i'm curious... i'm running currently on a celeron d 2.66, and it's my impression it's not as fast

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gr00ve:

i can't _wait_ to switch to this pentium d 920..

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word:

defaultro: nevermind i got it just need to get the sql syntax right now i think..]

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xrothgarx:

ok gr00ve, so I guess I should find somewhere on how to recompile myth? :(

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jhatch:

I wanna get an Athlon64 3500+ or better, but I don't have the cash right now... :)

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xrothgarx:

I was using the myth wiki to do what I did http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation

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jhatch:

The big killer for me is the 512 MB or RAM i have...

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gr00ve:

xrothgarx – so i guess the end result is – doublecheck and see if you can find another myth package that has xvmc support.. not sure if you'll find that though. what's your vidcard again?

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gr00ve:

jhatch i don't find myth using much ram, but fwiw i have a gig in that box

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xrothgarx:

nvid 6200

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gr00ve:

okay... that uses an nvidia lib

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gr00ve:

do you have the locate utility installed?

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jhatch:

gr00ve, I'm running the frontend and backend on the same machine....

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Kimo:

Is the Hauppage 250 worth the extra $75 over the 150?

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Kimo:

Sorry to interrupt

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gr00ve:

xrothgarx – which driver is it you installed? do you have a file like: /usr/lib/libXvMCNVIDIA.so.1.0.7676 on your system?

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rlbond:

ok it's still giving me static. when i started mythtv it gave me the error "tuner type not set"

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gr00ve:

jhatch same here – again i'm sdtv, so it's probably different, but mysql/mfe/mbe are all on the same box, and it never seems to use all that much ram

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linagee:

did you try setting the tuner type? heheh

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gr00ve:

rlbond – what's your tuner card?

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jhatch:

Kimo, I think the 250 has an MPEG decoder, the 150 doesn't.

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rlbond:

hauppage pvr-500

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jhatch:

sure helps with playing video.

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medwards:

250 has decoder, can't speak to 150

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gr00ve:

rlbond – is ivtv loaded?

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Kimo:

jhatch, is that worth the extra expense?

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gr00ve:

check /var/log/messages for the ivtv startup messages (or use "dmesg" )

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gr00ve:

it'll report problems if there were any

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xrothgarx:

gr00ve I don't have any folder with XvMCNVIDIA

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jhatch:

gr00ve, 1080i tends to start skipping when I start swapping... :)

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jhatch:

Kimo, IMO, yes.

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gr00ve:

ther other problem i can say for sure with ivtv drivers and hauppauge cards is that you always need to cold boot the box or the card sometimes doesn't work

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xrothgarx:

rlbond, ivtv loads by default with knoppmyth so that shouldn't be a problem, but the 500 card is a bit mor tricky than others

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gr00ve:

so if you'd rebooted, shut it down and fire it back up after leaving it off for 30 seconds

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gr00ve:

the tuner type is generally autodetected – dmesg will show this working or failing

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jhatch:

Kimo, remember, you get what you pay for... the 150's tuner isn't as good either. it'll be kinda fuzzy.

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Kimo:

jhatch, great thanks!

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gr00ve:

rlbond – i'm assuming you're using ivtv-0.4x or newer, btw

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rlbond:

so, uh, what do i do? lol i'm such a windows person

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rlbond:

whatever's in the iso

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gr00ve:

rlbond – type "dmesg" in your shell

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xrothgarx:

rlbond, restart ;) us windows users should be used to that

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gr00ve:

toward the end of the output you should see some lines that start with =========== START INIT IVTV ==========

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rlbond:

ok

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gr00ve:

but make sure you shut down – power off – for 10–30 seconds

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gr00ve:

half the time i reboot my hauppauge cards don't tune properly and i get static or black or nothing at all

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xrothgarx:

gr00ve do you have any suggestions for getting XvMC without re-building?

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gr00ve:

the ivtv driver author says that's because he hasn't figured out how to initialize the cards completely like the windows drivers do – he's trying to reverse engineer everything. it's really incredible they work as well as they do with that in mind!

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gr00ve:

xrothgarx – not sure if it's possible for you – what'd you say your distribution is again? knoppix or ubuntu or something?

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gr00ve:

(i'm getting cross-confused with a few different people by now)

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jepeltw:

jhatch, fuzzy? I have a 150 connected to analog cable and it's quite sharp on my LCD monitor. Defects aren't visible farther than about a foot on a 17" screen

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rlbond:

hmmm

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gr00ve:

xrothgarx – first thing to do is check around google etc for prebuilt packages for your distribution that mention support for xvmc. in all likelihood you'll need to compile though

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rlbond:

i didn't see any =========== START INIT IVTV ==========

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gr00ve:

and that's not _that_ hard, but also not trivial

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xrothgarx:

haha, you have been doing good so far – I am using kubuntu (kde ubuntu)

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rlbond:

is there a way to scroll up

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rlbond:

?

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gr00ve:

rlbond – okay, so as root, run "lsmod"

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gr00ve:

do you see ivtv in the list?

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rlbond:

also, i got like 10 tuner type not set messages

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gr00ve:

if not, it's not loaded, if so, "dmesg | less" and scroll up

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gr00ve:

rlbond – okay, you're using an earlier ivtv, and you have to find out your tuner type and set it...

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xrothgarx:

I have built it before (right when .18 came out) but I didn't have success getting it to work properly

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rlbond:

i dont see it

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xrothgarx:

so I will go back to the forums and check how to integrate XvMC

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gr00ve:

xrothgarx – the current version in svn is probably not the best bet, true.

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gr00ve:

check www.gossamerthreads.com/lists/mythtv/

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xrothgarx:

you know what I just realized, I never installed mplayer before myth, would that matter with XvMC?

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gr00ve:

if you weren't aware of that already

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jhatch:

jepeltw, I'm glad you're having success with your 150... I have seen a few 150's that just seemed to be a poor tuner.

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xrothgarx:

ya, I got that in here earlier tonight

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rlbond:

oh i see it

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rlbond:

version 0.4.4

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rlbond:

i had to open it in less

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jepeltw:

jhatch, I guess it's luck of the draw then. I'm already lucky in that my setup is working well with a seriously underpowerd backend (k6–2 380 mhz)

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gr00ve:

shouldn't matter much, no. mplayer w/o xvmc may not play hd movies well, but mythfrontend for tv and recordings uses it's own player, not mplayer, so it wouldn't affect it

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xrothgarx:

ok, well thanks again for your help

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xrothgarx:

maybe one day I will get myth and HD working

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gr00ve:

rlbond – can you use the pastebot to throw the ivtv dmesg's up for me to see?

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xrothgarx:

ttyl

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gr00ve:

xrothgarx – good luck – it's not that hard, i've had xvmc in there

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jhatch:

jepeltw, yeah, the frontend is where you need the power, and since your SD, you can get by with less power.

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rlbond:

i'm on a different pc here

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gr00ve:

it's just a few steps, good luck!

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rlbond:

running windows, haha

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gr00ve:

oh – can you cut-n-paste from the terminal window?

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gr00ve:

i use putty for a terminal program to ssh/telnet into the box, and i can paste back-n-forth with windows in that fasion

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gr00ve:

not sure how you're setup, though...

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rlbond:

not only do i not have putty, but i don't know how to telnet, unfortunately.

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opello:

cutting from a terminal might be kind of tough :p

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rlbond:

i have 2 pc's here right now

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rlbond:

one with myth

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rlbond:

one with winxp

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opello:

copying, easy :) but cutting ... a challenge :)

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gr00ve:

oh – you mean you're looking from one to the other, i get it. heh

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opello:

putty does telnet

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gr00ve:

ok

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rlbond:

yes

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gr00ve:

so it identifies your card correctly as a 500?

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rlbond:

where would it say

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rlbond:

i'm assuming no, since it says TUNER TYPE NOT SET like 500 times

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gr00ve:

in the ivtv messages between === START IVTV == and ===== END IVTV ====

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rlbond:

lemme look

[05:43:22]

gr00ve:

well – tuner and card are different things

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rlbond:

yea

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rlbond:

it detects it

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gr00ve:

ok

[05:44:34]

rlbond:

it has 2 entries for pvr-150, and says they are parts 1 and 2 of a 500

[05:44:42]

gr00ve:

did this ever work previously?

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rlbond:

yes

[05:44:58]

gr00ve:

and then after that crash it stopped?

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rlbond:

yup

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gr00ve:

hrmm... you certain you're booting the same kernel?

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gr00ve:

not sure if you recompiled or installed more than one

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gr00ve:

ah – forget it, let's try this instead

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rlbond:

lol

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rlbond:

same kernel

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gr00ve:

look at /var/log/messages – less it, i guess

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gr00ve:

if the start of the file is prior to your crash tonight, search for the prior boot's(before the crash when it was working) ivtv driver output

[05:46:36]

gr00ve:

you can see if it looks the same as before or not. you may have been getting those tuner type not set messages before and it could be okay with your card

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rlbond:

permission denied :(

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gr00ve:

that'll at least allow you to compare to your previous/known good driver messages to see if anyhting changed

[05:47:12]

rlbond:

i su'd to root

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gr00ve:

root user

[05:47:15]

rlbond:

it still was denied

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gr00ve:

ls -l /var/log/messages

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gr00ve:

what's the permission and owner set to?

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jhatch:

gr00ve, so it's still showing an incorrect time, but I noticed it's only on HD programming, SD shows the correct time... <shrug> I'll just live with it...

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rlbond:

owner is root

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gr00ve:

jhatch sorry that didn't work... damn

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gr00ve:

i wonder if that other table is involved (recordedseek) as well...

[05:48:20]

gr00ve:

maybe more trouble than it's worth to keep mucking with it

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jhatch:

Meh... Whadayado... file a bug report? :)

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gr00ve:

jhatch – eh – it's probably not really a "bug" per se – the table got corrupted you said, right?

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rlbond:

permissions are rw-r--r--

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jhatch:

gr00ve, I rebuilt the table from scratch... corruption is no longer an issue.

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jhatch:

though, it'd be nice to know how the table got corupted...

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gr00ve:

mythtv can't reasonably be expected to know what to do with the seektables in that situation, necessarily. although, if you can provide some logs and forensic type info – it won't hurt to try to open a ticket on it. the developers will sure close it for you if they feel it's not appropriate. snicker( they kill a lotta tickets that they don't consider bugs )

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jhatch:

which is why I'm gonna live with it. .:)

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gr00ve:

jhatch – yeah, i only mean that the loss of program lengths was caused by table corruption... you repaired the table so mysql's happy, but some info was probably lost. i don't expect mythtv to know how to recover that data by itself. truth be told i'm sure someone with a better clue than me could fix it for ya

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jhatch:

on the bright side, it does make my ff / rew go a lot faster... :)

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gr00ve:

i wish i could, but i don't know much about how that end of it works, sorry!

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gr00ve:

haha, great

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gr00ve:

rlbond – not sure why you can't read it, then

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gr00ve:

how are you trying to view it?

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sphing:

anyone know how to disable the mouse cursor in X?

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gr00ve:

"less /var/log/messages" – right?

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gr00ve:

sphing – when myth's running or in general?

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sphing:

in general

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gr00ve:

huh... that's a good one. never tried. you may have to comment out the mouse config section and restart, but i'd guess x11 won't start w/o a mouse config

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sphing:

hmm lets see

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sphing:

didnt think about that

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gr00ve:

hang on, think i found something

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rlbond:

ok idk what i did but it opened

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gr00ve:

nm – depends on some util called "unclutter" and looks like a kludge

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gr00ve:

okay, does it begin before the crash tonight or after?

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rlbond:

well, funny thing is, everything is dated december 5

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gr00ve:

oh

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rlbond:

i know i fixed the time

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rlbond:

how do i change the date

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gr00ve:

lotsa boxes need to run ntpdate at boot

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gr00ve:

not sure where you live, but this'll get it in the ballpark if you installed ntpdate

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gr00ve:

ntpdate navobs1.mit.edu

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rlbond:

is there some sorta autoexec.bat for linux?

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gr00ve:

(as root)

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gr00ve:

rlbond – yeah sure is, but it's not so consistent between distributions

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gr00ve:

rlbond – remind me one more time which distro yours was? i keep getting you, jhatch and xrothgarx mixed in my mind

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gr00ve:

or your hw/sw configs, anyway

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gr00ve:

rlbond – anyway, you can generally find startup scripts in most linuxes under a directory tree something like: /etc/rc3.d/ or sometimes /etc/runlevels/*

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rlbond:

knoppmyth

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rlbond:

ok so also, i think the frontend froze

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gr00ve:

rlbond – ntpdate'd be in there somewhere. on a redhat type system, you can use the "chkconfig" command to add/remove services from boot for you

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rlbond:

i tried sudo etc/init.d/mythtv-frontend stop

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gr00ve:

rlbond – are you logging the frontend to a file yet?

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rlbond:

but it asked for a password

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word:

err i'm getting all kinds of errors because the tables weren't created in the mythconverg db...did i miss a step?

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gr00ve:

when you launch you should use "mythfrontend --verbose --logfile /tmp/mythlog" or similar

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rlbond:

i have no idea how to log the frontend to a file

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rlbond:

it runs automatically at startup

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gr00ve:

rlbond – are you root?

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rlbond:

yea

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gr00ve:

you don't need "sudo"

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rlbond:

ok

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gr00ve:

sudo is to provide root capabilities to non-root users

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gr00ve:

if' you're root, you don't need it. fyi – it was expecting the password for the user that invoked it, so the root passwd in that case

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gr00ve:

word – no clue what you were doing – what were you in the middle of attempting?

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word:

mythfilldatabase i just got done doing mythtv-setup

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gr00ve:

oh

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gr00ve:

you've exited mythtv-setup already?

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word:

yes

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gr00ve:

huh

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sphing:

gr00ve: didnt work... im disabling mouse in the kerne

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gr00ve:

did mythtv-setup report any errors

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gr00ve:

sphing – what happened?

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word:

are the tables supposed to be auto created? because er..

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sphing:

still a cursor

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gr00ve:

still got mouse cursor or x11 didn't start

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gr00ve:

oh

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gr00ve:

man the xorg.conf or whatever is on your system

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gr00ve:

doublecheck – there may be a directive to hide the cursor

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sphing:

yea...

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gr00ve:

or xset may be able to do it – try man xset to see

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gr00ve:

word – in general, yeah, mythtv-setup i think usually does that

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gr00ve:

have you started the backend yet?

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gr00ve:

you need that running prior to mythfilldb anyway

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gr00ve:

that may do an initialization on first startup, not sure, it's been way too long since i did the initial install to remember

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gr00ve:

word – if you did start the backend and mythfilldb's still crabbing about missing tables... start the mysql commandline util "mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg" and when you're logged in, do a "show tables" – you should see in the rough neighborhood of 70 or so tables

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gr00ve:

if you have much less than that, something didn't work quite right

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word:

45 o.O

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gr00ve:

word – so did you start the backend?

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word:

er tried..hmm...

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gr00ve:

as root:

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gr00ve:

/etc/init.d/mythbackend start

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word:

brb gonna restart x i messed something up lol..

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gr00ve:

ok, but X11's unrelated to the backend

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gr00ve:

okay, nm...

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wireddd:

I keep getting this error "tuner 0–0061: tuner type not set" in my syslog, and I can't figure out how to set the type, I tried modprobe tuner type=2, but that just errors

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gr00ve:

sphing you still there?

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gr00ve:

[02:12] gr00ve: ok, but X11's unrelated to the backend

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word:

i'm getting command not found from that

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gr00ve:

word – from what, exactly?

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gr00ve:

wireddd – which version of ivtv is that, and what hauppauge card do you have?

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word:

this – /etc/init.d/mythbackend start

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word:

and uh mythtv-setup wasn't starting up anymore saying it couldn't connect to x server so i restarted x

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gr00ve:

ok

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gr00ve:

word – were you running that from an xterm within x11? (mythtv-setup)

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gr00ve:

word – or from a virtual console or telnet/ssh shell?

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word:

uh from konsole..i switched users and did some wierd stuff lol..konsole...umm.. /etc/cron.daily/mythtv-backend mythtv-setup told me to run that as root

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word:

but when i do i get the same errors as mythfilldatabase

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gr00ve:

word – i may see what happened: if you'd switched to root user to do /etc/init.d/mythbackend start, you wouldn't be able to launch mythtv-setup against the running X11, because root's env wouldn't have DISPLAY set, and root doesn't have permission by default to open windows in mythtv user's X11 session...

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gr00ve:

ok

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gr00ve:

starting the backend you do as root

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wireddd:

its a pvr-150 non-mce, ivty is version 0.6.3, here is what I get in the log when ivtv loads... http://pastebin.ca/124725

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word:

can i just do sudo mythbackend?

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gr00ve:

if X11's running already and you logged in as mythtv (not root), you should run mythtv-setup as mythtv and make sure you've "export DISPLAY=:0" if it's not already set

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gr00ve:

if you're logged into a shell as mythtv(not root, in other words), yes, you can sudo mythbackend if it's in your path

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gr00ve:

"which mythbackend" should return a path to a binary if it's in your path

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word:

i know it's there it's in /usr/bin

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gr00ve:

and then sudo should work. but if it's returning something like /usr/bin

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gr00ve:

yeah, okay

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word:

it seems to have started without errors

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gr00ve:

so that'll technically work, but you're not passing it any options, and that's probably not the best idea right now

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gr00ve:

you said you didn't have /etc/init.d/mythbackend present?

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word:

no

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gr00ve:

there should be a mythbackend startup script somewhere

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gr00ve:

it may be located elsewhere in your distribution/package/config

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gr00ve:

the easiest way to find it if you have it is to try running "locate mythbackend"

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gr00ve:

hopefully you have [s]locate installed and updatedb's running, if not you'll get an error of some sort

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gr00ve:

i can check mine and give you some options to pass to it that may help by enabling some logging

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word:

gr00ve: it's in there as mythtv-backend lol

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gr00ve:

haha, great. what package did you install myth with? was it all in one package with the mythplugins and themes or is it all broken up?

[06:24:06]

word:

all broken up

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wireddd:

this is driving me crazy

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gr00ve:

i'm running gentoo, which is a source based distro, but i don't use the gentoo maintained mythtv packages, because they're only for the official releases, and i tend to build it from svn...

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gr00ve:

wireddd sorry – i didn't mean to ignore you, just got distracted

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defaultro:

is there any feature in myth where in we can stream a recorded show to wherever we are like a slingbox?

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gr00ve:

wireddd – what does "uname -r" give you?

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gr00ve:

nm, i'm an idiot

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wireddd:

heh

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word:

even after starting the mythbackend i'm getting the mysql errors

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gr00ve:

hrm great

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wireddd:

wait am I loading the wrong firmware?

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gr00ve:

well i can see what i'm in store for when i switch to 2.6.16 and ivtv-0.6

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word:

mythtv: could not connect to socket mythtv: No such file or directory

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gr00ve:

ivtvdriver.org has a doc that should tell you for certain what the firmware revs are and what you should [re]name them so the ivtv-0.6 driver picks them up correctly

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gr00ve:

word – you're root, right?

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gr00ve:

word – or sudo'ing to root to run that

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word:

yup that's with runnin mythtv as root

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gr00ve:

huh

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word:

well as sudo ya

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word:

mythtv-setup didn't typ ei tall

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gr00ve:

wireddd – i'm not sure, but i have a similar card to yours and i think i'm using different filenames, BUT the ivtv driver seems to be finding that file and loading it

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gr00ve:

wireddd – what happens when you try to watch a channel?

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wireddd:

well thats another problem entirely

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wireddd:

when I goto live tv on this computer, it hard locks

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gr00ve:

word – what was that last line?

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gr00ve:

wireddd – okay, the ivtv driver's got a problem, i'd say

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gr00ve:

or _possibly_ mythfrontend

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gr00ve:

backend, i mean – that's the part that runs as root

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wireddd:

well there is not a monitor hooked up to the backend

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wireddd:

so I have to test it via the network

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word:

those errors came from running mythtv-setup with sudo

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gr00ve:

what do the mysql errors say?

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gr00ve:

are they all the same message with different particulars? or different errors ?

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word:

different particulars

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gr00ve:

the gist of it is -table does not exist? or permission denied?

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word:

they're being put into dd_schedule and when i did that showtables dd_schedule wasn't on the list

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gr00ve:

wireddd – you're viewing a card in a remote backend over ethernet to a frontend on another box?

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gr00ve:

word – ok. dd... datadirect, i guess... when you ran mythtv-setup the first time – did it spit any warnings or errors out to the console you launched from?

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word:

not sure :-/

[06:36:14]

word:

wait yah it had problems with the user mythtv because i didn't have the password right then i finally got it all right ( i think o.O ) because it stopped doing the error

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gr00ve:

word – if you don't have recorded programs and data already configured and this is a new mythconverg database/installation, you could just drop the db and create it again

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gr00ve:

and then try running mythtv-setup under sudo and watch the console for signs of trouble

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gr00ve:

okay...

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wireddd:

gr00ve, yes

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word:

what's the syntax for deleting a db/

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gr00ve:

word – like i say i don't _think_ mythtv-setup uses/needs root privs as i think it only accesses the db, and it uses mysql mythtv user for that, not root... but running it under sudo might be safer just in case

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gr00ve:

word – drop database mythconverg

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gr00ve:

word – create database mythconverg

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gr00ve:

eh – not sure if you'll need to create it – just drop it and then run

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gr00ve:

mythtv-setup, if that doesn't create it you'll know and you can do it

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gr00ve:

wireddd – that's cool, has this worked(over the net) for you before? haven't tried that yet

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gr00ve:

wireddd – so the backend's crashing? how new are 2.6.16 and ivtv-0.6.3 for you?

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wireddd:

no, I just got my card today

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gr00ve:

wireddd – i see... i haven't ventured into the newer kernels and ivtv driver tree yet

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wireddd:

hmm, maybe I should try knopmyth

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gr00ve:

wireddd – 2.6.16 changed a whole mess of things, and ivtv-0.6 forked to adjust to it.

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gr00ve:

wireddd – i wouldn't change distributions just yet... have you read up at ivtvdriver.org ?

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wireddd:

well the oldest kernel I can use is 2.6.15

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wireddd:

I have been

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gr00ve:

it's probably worth trying to get that one working... you can take a quick look at the newer 0.6 revs if there are any to see in the changelog if they're addressed anything that you think affects your card

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word:

gr00ve: http://pastebin.ca/124749

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gr00ve:

word – oh. what version of mysql are you using?

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wireddd:

maybe I should just build it from svn

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word:

5

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gr00ve:

ok

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word:

my distro has version .18 though so..dunno if that changes anything

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gr00ve:

i'm wondering if mysql5's changed anything that breaks for myth

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gr00ve:

you dropped mythconverg db and reran as root mythtv-setup ? and then as root started mythbackend ?

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gr00ve:

and then ran mythfilldb and it gave you that?

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word:

no that was just from running mythtv-setup as root

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word:

it temporarily uses the db to hold the channels it fetches

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gr00ve:

wireddd not sure – you may have to pass some option to the ivtv module to tell it what tuner type?

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word:

mythfilldatabase actually puts em there

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gr00ve:

wireddd – doublecheck at ivtvdriver.org for the firmware info for 0.6.x and your card

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gr00ve:

okay, yeah

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gr00ve:

sure looks like a syntax error

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word:

meh i dont see it

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gr00ve:

mythconverg?

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word:

no the syntax error :P

[06:51:02]

gr00ve:

oh -

[06:51:23]

gr00ve:

You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'repeat bool, stereo bool, subtitled bool, hdtv bool, closecaptioned bool, tvrati' at line 1

[06:51:47]

word:

yah i don't see anything wrong with that lol..

[06:52:04]

gr00ve:

then below that it's crabbing that it can't truncate the table that never got created due to a syntax error

[06:52:12]

wireddd:

ok when I use ivtv-tune and set it to a channel that should work (channel 2) and then do cat /dev/video0 > blah.mpg I get snow/static

[06:52:20]

word:

yah...

[06:52:38]

gr00ve:

yeah, looks like it's bothered by the bool type...

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wireddd:

so it has to be ivtv right?

[06:53:03]

word:

maybe i should compile the new mythtv from source...

[06:54:02]

gr00ve:

wireddd – maybe, if you can rule out the network and the frontend setup

[06:54:34]

gr00ve:

wireddd – i'd doublecheck the module options if there are some you need to set, and search on the mythtv-users list at http://www.gossamerthreads.com/lists/mythtv

[06:55:12]

gr00ve:

well... if you don't use mysql5 for anything else

[06:55:23]

gr00ve:

maybe uninstall that and install mysql4 and try it with that instead

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wireddd:

gr00ve, gossamerthreads doesn't work for me

[06:55:48]

gr00ve:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv

[06:55:57]

gr00ve:

i'm not sure if i typo'd that or not, sorry if i did

[06:57:01]

gr00ve:

sorry but i have to turn in – it's really late here!

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word:

:(

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wireddd:

i'm going to try it out with knopmyth and see how that goes

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Ediehow:

if i don't have acceleration, is it normal for mythtv to be horribly choppy?

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rlbond:

ok perhaps i'm being an idiot, but my tuner won't actually change channels

[07:13:53]

rlbond:

no matter which channel i select, it always stays on abc

[07:14:33]

word:

erm

[07:14:51]

word:

what are you doing to change it?

[07:15:18]

rlbond:

pushing up and then enter

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rlbond:

it is actually changing

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rlbond:

because it lists different programs under recording

[07:15:50]

rlbond:

or at least myth is changing channels

[07:15:57]

rlbond:

but it always stays on abc

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word:

in console

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word:

mplayer -vo xv /dev/video0 (or video1)

[07:17:25]

word:

then do ivtv-tune (channel#) /dev/video0 (or 1)

[07:17:29]

word:

and see if that changes the channel

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rlbond:

it says invalid channel for us-cable

[07:21:31]

word:

rlbond: so?

[07:21:47]

word:

what channel did you put in?

[07:21:50]

rlbond:

5

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word:

so you did ivtv0tune 5 ......

[07:22:07]

word:

ivtv-tune*

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rlbond:

ivtv-tune -channel:5

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word:

oh yah.. ivtv-tune -c 5 -d /dev/video0

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word:

try that

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rlbond:

it says tuner 1–0061 tuner type not set

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rlbond:

and it didn't change

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word:

oh yah.. ivtv-tune -c 5 -d /dev/video1 ?

[07:25:36]

word:

er i meant that without the oh yah.. part again lol

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word:

that tuner type not set part may mean you didn't finish / didn't properly setup ivtv

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rlbond:

same thing with video1

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rlbond:

hey how do i use a text editor in linux

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word:

what distro?

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rlbond:

knoppix

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word:

notepad = kate basically

[07:33:03]

word:

so in konsole type kate

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word:

i think knoppix comes with openoffice too..

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wireddd:

rlbond, I get that same message about the tuner type not being set, but I can't even get to channel 2

[07:33:53]

rlbond:

so if i wanted to open a file called textfile

[07:33:57]

rlbond:

kate textfile?

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word:

yup...or just click on the file

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word:

unless it's executable..then right click open with kate

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rlbond:

ok also, for the command ls

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rlbond:

how do you have it navigate subdirectories

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word:

-r i think

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word:

-R, --recursive list subdirectories recursively

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word:

so that would be ls -R

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Juski:

morning

[07:44:07]

word:

hey

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word:

er..do know much about mythtv Juski?

[07:44:45]

Juski:

I know... enough :-)

[07:44:59]

Juski:

no I don't./.... you never know enough

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word:

heh..

[07:45:05]

Juski:

enough to get me by is what I meant

[07:45:13]

Juski:

sup?

[07:45:21]

word:

ever have a problem with the database not getting setup right?

[07:45:43]

Juski:

yep. not any more though

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word:

eh? what kind of problems?

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Juski:

funny – I'm just looking for a solution to a mysql problem I have. I need to use UPDATE foo SET bar= – but I just want it to do a test initially to show me what'd change. damned if I can find it

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Juski:

word – put it this way – I had lots of weird database issues when i 1st set up mythtv cos I just didn't know what I was doing

[07:48:41]

Juski:

but I took a big pause, RTFM'd again & again & again.. then I got it :)

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word:

did you have a problem with dd_schedule not being created?

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Juski:

I didn't even know dd_schedule was a mythconverg table

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word:

><

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Juski:

it's not – not in 0.19-fixes anyway

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Juski:

or are you talking about a column? I think it's time to see some error messages

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word:

http://pastebin.ca/124835

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word:

that's from running mythfilldatabases and i'm using .18 that comes with my distro

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word:

well. is in the package manager of my distro

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Juski:

sounds like your db is screwed

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Juski:

oh hang on you're not using ubuntu are you?

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word:

kubuntu :-/

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Juski:

dapper?

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word:

yup

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Juski:

don't use the built in packages. they were screwed last time I tried them

[08:00:01]

word:

i tried compiling from source and got some shared libraries not found crap

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word:

after the install

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Juski:

http://nozell.dyndns.org/wiki/index.php/Ubunt . . . nfiguration#

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Juski:

without the # on the end ;)

[08:02:23]

Juski:

hamsta has 0.19 packages for dapper :-D

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word:

w00t..hopefully this'll fix the problem

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Juski:

I think whatever you did with the source altered the database

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Juski:

which'd be ok if you had a backup of it

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word:

Juski: no i did the source thing after...doesn't seem to be a db problem now.....except it's trying to get to datadirect without letting me put in my name and password...

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word:

oh so it does have my pass...neat

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Juski:

yay I now have a script to update my channel lists

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Juski:

handy :)

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word:

lol

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word:

Juski: hmm...sound? o.O

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ikke_:

vim käyttäjille ehdoton kapulakokoelma: http://www.rayninfo.co.uk/vimtips.html

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ikke_:

sorry, wrong chat

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tstm:

a/wi30

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tstm:

Sorry

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Juski:

quiet again. everyone's mythtv is working fine (yay!!)

[11:05:24]

Dagmar:

Damn Comcast

[11:05:46]

Dagmar:

I wish I had any idea what could possibly be going on that's rendering my home unreachable at this time of the morning, every morning

[11:06:46]

Dagmar:

I just finished reading through all the docs for Avahi and mDNS and now I can't make the dratted changes to the packages while the info is still fresh in my head

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sean33:

hi

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sean33:

can someone tell me how to remove a capture card from the list in setup with out delete the other cards ?

[11:09:36]

janneg:

sean33: press 'd' or 'm' while the card you want to remove is highlighted

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sean33:

thanks

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Juski:

eek! I just found out the news.. red alert!! red alert!!! we're at the top level of terror, erm.. threat level :-/ ffs

[11:17:32]

Merlin83b:

Pretty much.

[11:17:41]

Merlin83b:

Seen the stuff about no hand luggage?

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Juski:

yeah

[11:17:55]

Dagmar:

You're just finding out about that *now*?

[11:17:56]

Merlin83b:

Coworker is heading to the States on Saturday morning.

[11:18:00]

Merlin83b:

That'll be a fun flight.

[11:18:07]

Juski:

no magazines, no books?!

[11:18:10]

Merlin83b:

Nope.

[11:18:14]

Merlin83b:

Passport, wallet, tickets.

[11:18:16]

Merlin83b:

That's your lot.

[11:18:43]

Merlin83b:

I suppose in flight movies will be on, but last time I flew I elected not watch any of the four available as they were all horrendous chick flicks.

[11:18:44]

Dagmar:

Something had to be done

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Juski:

nothing electronic like 'zappers' for your car keys

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gardengnome:

heya Juski

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Dagmar:

They were starting to lose belief that there is a need to let the gov't do whatever it wants

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Juski:

hey gardengnome

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Dagmar:

Juski: Not even your car keys.

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Juski:

it's fucking crazy!

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gardengnome:

sound shorrible :/

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Merlin83b:

Just need to bump up the schedule for the corporate jet.

[11:20:05]

Merlin83b:

Or sign up to netjets.

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gardengnome:

humm, my dad's heading to majorca later today... wonder if he'll be affected by the terror (paranoia).

[11:20:25]

Merlin83b:

From the UK?

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imperfect-:

Does Myth have an internal video player?

[11:20:56]

GreyFoxx:

imperfect-: Yup

[11:20:56]

imperfect-:

or is spawnin xine/mplayer the only option?

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Juski:

imperfect-: yes. it's called Internal

[11:21:27]

imperfect-:

Are xine and mplayer better ways to go?

[11:21:38]

Juski:

depends what you want from your video player

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imperfect-:

Although I've noticed mplayer seems to lose audio sync a lot.

[11:21:52]

imperfect-:

Juski: i want a happy ending from my video player

[11:21:58]

Juski:

try different ones out _yourself_

[11:22:04]

imperfect-:

i _have_

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imperfect-:

I'm asking for opinions.

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GreyFoxx:

I use internal for everythiing

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GreyFoxx:

works well, the theme and controls are consistant

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Merlin83b:

See, I might have done some work on the codebase for DVB EIT stuff, but I had no idea you could get internal to play other stuff! Even in MythVideo?

[11:22:58]

Juski:

I'm tempted, after watching ScaryMovie the other day.. timecompress it so I lose less of my life to shite films

[11:23:02]

GreyFoxx:

and you back bookmark videos just in recordings

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GreyFoxx:

Merlin83b: Yup

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GreyFoxx:

I use it in mythvideo and mythdvd

[11:23:33]

** imperfect- ponders **

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Merlin83b:

Awesome. Next time I use it (couple of days I guess) I will make that change – from the setup stuff in FE?

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Juski:

bookmarks for videos were new to 0.19 weren't they?

[11:23:51]

Merlin83b:

I miss time compression and control consistency in MythVideo.

[11:23:51]

evilDagmar:

Perhaps it might be good to get MythDVD using the internal player then, if that's possible

[11:24:00]

GreyFoxx:

Juski: I seem to remember using them last summer

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evilDagmar:

As it stands now, MythDVD introduces *yet a third volume control*

[11:24:19]

GreyFoxx:

I've been using the internal player for DVD's for the last week or so

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Juski:

yeah GreyFoxx but were you running svn head then too?

[11:24:30]

GreyFoxx:

Juski : Always

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imperfect-:

Do a lot of you have issues with audio sync?

[11:24:57]

GreyFoxx:

imperfect-: Can't say I see it often

[11:25:01]

imperfect-:

Hrm.

[11:25:05]

Juski:

OMFG... just seen this: "Parents, apparently, must "verify" baby milk by tasting it in front of security staff." bunch of arse

[11:25:11]

imperfect-:

I wonder if there isn't something fundamnetally wrong with my box.

[11:25:15]

Merlin83b:

Yeah, that's great.

[11:25:31]

Merlin83b:

Most explosives aren't poisonous in tiny quantities anyway.

[11:25:52]

imperfect-:

I mean, w/ all the prebuffering pauses and jerky vids

[11:26:49]

imperfect-:

The issue for me however is that it isn't all the time... just enough for me to notice

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Juski:

are these _stupid_ restrictions just for as long as we're at 'red alert' ?

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imperfect-:

At times when I'm watching live tv coming straight off a PVR-150 in my frontend.... about every 30 seconds or so there's a slight pause in the audio

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Juski:

imperfect-: what CPU are you playing the video back with?

[11:28:31]

imperfect-:

P4 3.6ghz

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imperfect-:

2 gig of ram etc..

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imperfect-:

It's got a 10k rpm sata drive in it as well

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Juski:

wired connection to the backend?

[11:29:30]

Juski:

rofl. 10k rpm drive for a mythfrontend. jesus

[11:29:30]

imperfect-:

There's a backend on that box

[11:29:47]

imperfect-:

and a master one in the closet

[11:29:51]

Juski:

planning on running hundreds of streams at the same time or something?

[11:30:06]

imperfect-:

I'd be happy to have one!

[11:30:14]

imperfect-:

That was realiable ;)

[11:30:18]

imperfect-:

reliable etc..

[11:30:30]

imperfect-:

and no this is just extra stuff I had laying around

[11:30:39]

imperfect-:

this used to be my main desktop in like jan of 2005

[11:30:47]

imperfect-:

Now it's been moved into myth duty etc..

[11:31:00]

Juski:

well your system _should_ be more than capable of playing one mpeg2 stream of SDTV without hiccuping

[11:31:08]

imperfect-:

Yeah

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imperfect-:

you'd think

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evilDagmar:

No, we *know*

[11:31:16]

imperfect-:

which is why I'm wondering if there isnt something wrong..

[11:31:24]

evilDagmar:

Stop wondering. You're broken it.

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evilDagmar:

s/re/ve/;

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imperfect-:

eh

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imperfect-:

I dunno

[11:31:54]

imperfect-:

It never crashes

[11:32:00]

imperfect-:

so in every other sense it's stable

[11:32:26]

evilDagmar:

OKay, so now perhaps would be a good time to mention that string sheese is not typicallyt a very good network medium.

[11:32:30]

imperfect-:

Is there an lm-sensors mod for Myth?

[11:32:35]

evilDagmar:

s/sheese/cheese/

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imperfect-:

regex are your friend.

[11:32:52]

evilDagmar:

No, because it's not Myth's job to monitor your temperatures.

[11:33:02]

imperfect-:

But it's Myth's job to read my rss?

[11:33:04]

imperfect-:

or check the weather?

[11:33:06]

imperfect-:

I mean seriously.

[11:33:10]

evilDagmar:

Nope.

[11:33:12]

imperfect-:

That's an innane argument.

[11:33:14]

evilDagmar:

That's why people wrote plugins.

[11:33:20]

imperfect-:

Well that's what I meant.

[11:33:21]

Juski:

there's no lmsensors module cos nobody's written one yet

[11:33:22]

sean33:

I havent had my myth box on for a few months and just got some time to play with it again .. only im not getting guide data any longer im using tv_grab_au is the data feed there broken ?

[11:33:28]

sean33:

or is it me

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evilDagmar:

You want one that monitors lm_sensors, write it. ...and enjoy all the people who will come to you complaining their lm_sensors doesn't work or that things aren't labeled, or asking what sensor 3 does

[11:33:54]

Juski:

sean33: see one of the thousands of mailing list threads about the Aussie tv grabber situation

[11:34:16]

evilDagmar:

I would not touch support of that kind of module for anything less than five blowjobs a day from supermodels.

[11:34:40]

gardengnome:

i think mythweb can display lm_sensors stuff in svn trunk, but i'm not sure. might wanna bug xris about it :)

[11:35:12]

imperfect-:

Now, mythweb, is different than the php scripts right?

[11:35:48]

sean33:

so whats that mean there is some thing that has changed ?

[11:36:02]

janneg:

gardengnome: it's not mythweb, it is the backend status page and it displays only the cpu temperature

[11:36:07]

Dagmar:

No, it basically _is_ the php scripts

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imperfect-:

Gotcha

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gardengnome:

janneg: well, at least it does something. :)

[11:36:23]

imperfect-:

I didn't know if there was something new.

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tjcarter:

Dagmar: My evil plans continue... UbunTV! ;)

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Juski:

minimyth has lm_sensors built in, and a itty bitty webserver you can point at the frontend to see the voltages & temps – all lies & totally inaccurate of course – but hey that's lm_sensors for ya

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Dagmar:

hehe

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janneg:

tjcarter: is that UbunTU++?

[11:39:34]

Dagmar:

Ubuntutu. :)

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Dagmar:

"It works and you're not allowed to talk about the death squads."

[11:40:28]

tjcarter:

janneg: It's basically what happens when I want a KnoppMyth without extra pain when installing things like ... vim. And I want apt-get upgrade not to break Myth.

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Juski:

WWJD? http://www.whatwouldjesusdownload.com/christi . . . edition.html

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tjcarter:

apt-get upgrade on KnoppMyth pulls Debian unstable, which WILL break your MythTV setup pretty nicely.

[11:41:20]

tjcarter:

this oughtta be amusing.

[11:41:54]

janneg:

tjcarter: it was a joke 'U'++ is 'V'

[11:42:09]

tjcarter:

janneg: yeah I get it.

[11:42:44]

tjcarter:

"It's Ubuntu with a bible study program! Much better than the original!"

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tjcarter:

heh

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Dagmar:

Well.

[11:44:32]

Dagmar:

I suppose if I go on another hacking spree, I know exactly what I'm going to hit first.

[11:44:48]

Dagmar:

Their ISO is probably dangerously lacking in hardcore porn for the GDM splash screens.

[11:45:48]

ille:

Dagmar, the KnoppMyth Crew has been considering to start using ubuntu instead of debian.

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Dagmar:

ille: That's probably not such a great idea on their part, but it's their call to make

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ille:

oh it was tjcarter who was going to start UbunTV

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Juski:

blimey is that how the rumou mill in here goes?

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Juski:

s/rumou/rumour

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prologic:

Anyone here know of any ubuntu sources for dapper ?

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Juski:

prologic: so the hamsta debs have escaped your short span of attention then?

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prologic:

heh seems so :)

[12:09:25]

prologic:

I don't use these ditros myself

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prologic:

I maintain mythtv for crux :)

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Juski:

wtf is crux?

[12:10:23]

Juski:

ah

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gardengnome:

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gardengnome:

s/amstas/Hamsta's/

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prologic:

ahh nice

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prologic:

thanks

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Juski:

!trout prologic Read-The-FAQ

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** MythLogBot slaps prologic with a Read-The-FAQ trout on behalf of Juski... **

[12:11:21]

gardengnome:

wait, it's in the FAQ too

[12:11:34]

gardengnome:

heh

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prologic:

heh

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Juski:

so who's gonna want to use a package from someone who can't be bothered to look something like that up? :-/

[12:14:47]

prologic:

eh ?

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janneg:

yeah, the bogus EIT events with starttime in 2038 is finally fixed. #2147

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prologic:

k guys :) this doesn't appear to be on the FAQ :)

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prologic:

http://paste.lisp.org/display/23919

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Juski:

prologic: so you need to check the 'restricted packages' FAQ at ubuntu.org to tell you how to install mp3 support ;)

[12:38:02]

prologic:

haha

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prologic:

god damn ubuntu :/

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prologic:

no wonder I don't use it :)

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Juski:

why – cos they don't provide legally dubious libraries by default?

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prologic:

hehe

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prologic:

reminds me of Debian :)

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tjcarter:

another reason why I want UbunTV hosted outside the US

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imperfect-:

...cuz itis.

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Beirdo:

umm

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Juski:

so you've updated /etc/apt/sources.list with the hamsta deb location, done apt-get update... ?

[12:39:20]

Beirdo:

the legally dubious stuff is WORSE in Europe

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Beirdo:

but at least software patents, etc are being fought

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GreyFoxx:

Sealand!

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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tjcarter:

Was thinking .ru or some south-african country

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tjcarter:

okay, I'm gone.

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Juski:

just do away with the need for mp3 – it's crap anyway IMHO

[12:41:38]

Beirdo:

will never happen

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Juski:

ah. those bloody software encoders again

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prologic:

grrr ubuntu sucks :)

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prologic:

I can't find that doc yet

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Juski:

prologic: no – you just suck at ubuntu

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prologic:

prolly :)

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imperfect-:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats

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imperfect-:

sweet christ!

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Juski:

took me all of ten mins to install mythfrontend the other week

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imperfect-:

yeah

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Juski:

and I _don't_ know ubuntu inside out

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prologic:

bah

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prologic:

I dunno what I was typing in their search box :)

[12:43:37]

imperfect-:

I went from install to svn in under an hour

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prologic:

you will have to slightly excuse me though :)

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Juski:

this is the 'problem' with point & click installs these days. users expect the software to read their minds

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prologic:

I can only see 1/4 of any webpage at a time

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Beirdo:

fuck me, you stupid network

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Beirdo:

stop glitching out

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imperfect-:

Anyone else seeing like some anime of cat6 raping Beirdo?

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Beirdo:

it's wireless

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imperfect-:

Anyone think running a x86_64 release provides any speed benefit?

[12:50:26]

Beirdo:

depends on what you do

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Beirdo:

I'm sure there are some things that will be faster

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imperfect-:

well specifically w/ Myth

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Beirdo:

mmm, mofongo

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Juski:

btw gardengnome I've had to make a script to do channel number updates.. oops you prolly don't need that anymore

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Beirdo:

wow cool. this show is featuring a farm just outside town

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imperfect-:

Does udev create files in /dev everytime I boot?

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gardengnome:

Juski: huhu? for teh dbox?

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gardengnome:

s/huhu/huh/ stupid gnome.

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Beirdo:

oh look, it's butthead

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Beirdo:

huhuhuhu

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gardengnome:

Beirdo: grr. ;)

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imperfect-:

come to buthead.

[13:17:28]

imperfect-:

come a lil bit closer

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imperfect-:

let me touch.... so cool.

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Ryushin:

So now that Intel has open sourced their graphics drivers for the the new Intel i965 graphics chipset, does it happend to support XvMC?

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Beirdo:

a fine question for google

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imperfect-:

any nfs experts here?

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Beirdo:

what's the question, imperfect-?

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imperfect-:

trying to figure out how to deal with permission issues

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Beirdo:

the easiest way is to have UID and GID matching on all machines

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Beirdo:

failing that, there is a ugidd or somtehing that is supposed to map them for you]

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Beirdo:

I just stick with synchronized users

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imperfect-:

yeah

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imperfect-:

I was hoping for a clean solutiion

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imperfect-:

though sounds like mapping is hard to do maybe?

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Beirdo:

it's been years since I tried it, but yeah, I remember it being tricky

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Ryushin:

My exports looks like this from my mythbox: /mythtv 192.168.9.1(rw,sync,all_squash,anonuid=106,anongid=106) 192.168.9.9(rw,sync,all_squash,anonuid=106,anongid=106) 192.168.9.99(rw,sync,all_squash,anonuid=106,anongid=106)

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Ryushin:

User 106 is the mythtv user.

[13:49:25]

Ryushin:

And I guess the i965 does not support xvmc. Google doesn't have a single hit for it.

[13:49:31]

Ryushin:

Bummer.

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Beirdo:

give people time, it might later

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Beirdo:

code generally is not written overnight :)

[13:52:26]

Ryushin:

Well, I don't know if it even has mpeg2 decoding stuff built into the hardware.

[13:52:35]

Beirdo:

no clue either

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Ryushin:

I guess we'll wait and see. Intel doesn't make any graphics cards do they? This is just built into the motherboard right?

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Beirdo:

as far as I know, they are all on-board

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Ryushin:

Well, maybe with vista, all the outs will be dvi/hdmi. I'd still like to stay with AMD though, but that wouldn't happen. Man, it would be so nice if someone released a open source graphics card.

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Beirdo:

doubtful that will happen

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Ryushin:

pcHDTV has done so well with their card, I'd like to see them produce a graphics card. A graphics card though is probably two magnitudes more complex then a HDTV receiver.

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Beirdo:

at least

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Beirdo:

pcHDTV just packaged chips onto a card

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Beirdo:

graphics cards would require designing a GPU

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Ryushin:

Yea, that's very true.

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Beirdo:

otherwise the card's drivers would be under the same restrictions as current ones

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Ryushin:

Wasn't S3's new chips open source?

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Beirdo:

GPUs are hard enough to use :)

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Beirdo:

S3 has nothing to lose with their shit

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Beirdo:

it may have been

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Beirdo:

but the good GPUs are from nvidia and ATI

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Beirdo:

and neither want to show the other the guts of their GPUs

[14:00:09]

Ryushin:

Yea, and both nvidia and ati don't want to go near open source.

[14:00:20]

Beirdo:

sure, they'll go near it

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Ryushin:

Well, binary only.

[14:00:40]

Beirdo:

but they'll never show us everything because that means they are showing their competitors too

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Beirdo:

and any upstart that wants to reverse-engineer and create one

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Ryushin:

Like the open source community.

[14:01:09]

Beirdo:

you just can't make money by giving away trade secrets

[14:01:38]

Beirdo:

so instead of complaining, we should just buy their stock and ride the wave :)

[14:03:33]

Beirdo:

Hmmm.

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Beirdo:

I wonder.

[14:04:04]

Beirdo:

should I input the frames into the GPU in fixed, half, or float....

[14:04:05]

Beirdo:

hmmmm

[14:04:16]

Beirdo:

internally, gonna use float, but over the PCI bus...

[14:05:25]

Beirdo:

I think I'll do half

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Beirdo:

i.e. 16-bit almost IEEE floats

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Beirdo:

s10e5

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Beirdo:

should do, I'm feeding it with YUV values anyways (8-bit precision)

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SlicerDicer-:

anybody able to give me a hand with mythweb?

[14:30:16]

SlicerDicer-:

it just died and I cant figure out why :/

[14:31:12]

bmk789:

whats the errot?

[14:31:14]

Fnc-1:

what you need?

[14:31:16]

bmk789:

eroor*

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Fnc-1:

clap clap clap

[14:31:26]

bmk789:

ugh

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bmk789:

you know what i mean

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SlicerDicer-:

nvm I know what the problem is

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SlicerDicer-:

/dev/hda3 14625892 14625888 4 100% /

[14:32:00]

SlicerDicer-:

haha

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bmk789:

0_0

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SlicerDicer-:

my logs have gotten so huge haha

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imperfect-:

so..

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imperfect-:

I've got a G4–400mhz

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imperfect-:

PPC

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imperfect-:

think I can run a front end on it?

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bmk789:

ya

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imperfect-:

Cool

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imperfect-:

Is there anything I can do to optimize playback over a wireless network? like buffering?

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bmk789:

mac or linux?

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imperfect-:

Right now It's running Tiger

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imperfect-:

cuz I can't get linux to boot w/ a ADC connected adapter

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imperfect-:

video =ofonly moves everything mostly off the screen

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SlicerDicer-:

argh it seems mythweb is hosed

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gardengnome:

SlicerDicer-: you sure it's not the mysql db?

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SlicerDicer-:

I think it is

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SlicerDicer-:

I think I will find out soon enough

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gardengnome:

if it still starts, you can run optimize_db.pl – dunno if that's the right filename, just look in mythtv/contrib/

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SlicerDicer-:

yeah

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Saviq:

gardengnome: how's the mythvideo chars? works well?

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SlicerDicer-:

its still starting gardengnome

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Saviq:

Hi all btw

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SlicerDicer-:

gardengnome: it had been running fine for eons hehe

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SlicerDicer-:

thats why its kinda shocking

[14:49:03]

SlicerDicer-:

then it went bork bork bork :)

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gardengnome:

SlicerDicer-: haven't tested it yet, will try it later :)

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gardengnome:

SlicerDicer-: i had it happen to me often :/

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stuarta:

afternoon all

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Fnc-1:

mornin

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Merlin83b:

Welcome to the -users side, stuarta :-)

[15:05:33]

Saviq:

I have two suggestions about mythvideo

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stuarta:

:-P just because I've only been in #mythtv all day....

[15:06:08]

Saviq:

1. when a movie is a child of some other, there should be a possibility to display only "parents"

[15:06:43]

Saviq:

2. what about all my movies on cds – I can't get them stay in the library

[15:07:40]

gardengnome:

Saviq: 'when a movie is a child of some other" – what do you mean? movies spanning multiple files?

[15:10:54]

SlicerDicer-:

gardengnome: it seems mythweb_sessions is borked in my db

[15:12:47]

gardengnome:

SlicerDicer-: ouch. can you fix it?

[15:12:54]

SlicerDicer-:

I have no idea

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gardengnome:

i'd doubt there's something valuable in there

[15:13:09]

SlicerDicer-:

ohh there is obviously its hosed my mythweb

[15:13:23]

SlicerDicer-:

I will just have to wait for xris

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gardengnome:

k

[15:15:18]

ivor_:

Ryushin: since the i810 has xvmc then you'd expect the i965 to have something similar.

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imperfect-:

If I am running 2 backends

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imperfect-:

can I use the same myth directories between them?

[15:15:49]

imperfect-:

or should I split it up?

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SlicerDicer-:

nvm gardengnome I got it foxed

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Fnc-1:

3 people have tried to break into my myth box.... they tried some wierd usernames, but oddly, there file must not have been that large, cuz there wasnt all that many attempts

[15:19:54]

Beirdo:

oh dang, I missed half of "The Price is Wrong, Bitch!"

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Beirdo:

err something like that

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Beirdo:

I need to watch Happy Gilmore again

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** stuarta goes to a happy place **

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GreyFoxx:

imperfect-: You can certainly use the same shared space for both backend

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GreyFoxx:

s

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gardengnome:

yeah, and you can active "master backend override" then in mythtv-setup under "general" (first step)

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gardengnome:

activate* stupid gnomey fingers

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Juski:

omh teh borkedne55

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stuarta:

Juski: did you here the ITV boss has quit?

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Juski:

I heard he was gonna

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stuarta:

well he has.

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** stuarta celebrates **

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Juski:

no more celebrity poo factor get me outta here I'm And or Dec ?

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Merlin83b:

We wish.

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stuarta:

hopefully! plus ch4 are getting busted for charging people for BB

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Juski:

I read that mobile phones suers will soon be able to get ITV Play. F F S

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Merlin83b:

THey are? Hehe

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stuarta:

eediots

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Juski:

actually the story about BB was that the bosses were gonna be probed. I'd pay to see that

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Juski:

hem

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Juski:

as for the rest of today's news.. sheesh. I hope they're also gonna ban martial-arts experts from flying. I mean forget about books, magazines & mp3 players.. hands can be even dealier weapons

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Juski:

</grumpy old man mode>

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stuarta:

after this morning the only thing you can take on a plane is your wallet & passport

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Beirdo:

and they should ban eating beans before flying too

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stuarta:

they better sort this shit out before my 24hr flight to Aus at Christmas.

[15:38:12]

Beirdo:

big closed cabin to fragrance after all

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stuarta:

24hrs with no books, newspapers, mp3 players or bottles of water????

[15:38:30]

Beirdo:

WTF did they do that for?

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Juski:

oh you'll be able to buy bottles foa fiver each

[15:38:45]

Beirdo:

they'd better supply women

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stuarta:

major terriorist alert. visit bbc website for info

[15:39:16]

Beirdo:

oh, so more bullshit that won't turn into anything, and they'll say "see it worked"?

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Merlin83b:

Water's free on real airlines though.

[15:39:27]

Juski:

yeah some dudes were gonna like blow up 1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9/10 planes or something.. deadly serious & a big need to panic

[15:39:34]

Merlin83b:

It's only LoCos that charge for everything.

[15:39:57]

stuarta:

yeah, but there's never enough. you tried getting service 6hrs into a long haul flight?

[15:39:58]

Beirdo:

then check the damn luggage

[15:40:03]

Beirdo:

how hard is that to do?

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Merlin83b:

stuarta: Yep, arrived in seconds :-)

[15:40:11]

** Merlin83b <3 Continental **

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Juski:

heheh

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Juski:

not BA then

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Juski:

or AA

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Merlin83b:

Haven't flown BA since the mid eighties.

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stuarta:

there always seems to be a point where they are all a) asleep b) gossiping...

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Merlin83b:

I fly EasyJet to Europe (or whoever's cheapest at the time) and Continental to US. Haven't flown anywhere else commercially.

[15:41:26]

Merlin83b:

North Pole I go by light aircraft :-)

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Merlin83b:

(No, really)

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stuarta:

well aus is ~22hrs flying time. 13.5 to Asia, the rest to aus

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Merlin83b:

Going for the Ashes or just a holiday, stuarta?

[15:42:06]

stuarta:

all of the above

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Merlin83b:

Excellent.

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stuarta:

plus visiting the parents & introducing the GF to them....

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Merlin83b:

Who moved half way round the world; you or them?

[15:43:17]

stuarta:

me

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Beirdo:

yeah well, fly outta Frankfurt

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Beirdo:

those rules are only for leaving the UK

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Beirdo:

make Germany useful for something :)

[15:43:33]

** Beirdo ducks **

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Merlin83b:

How long ago? Guessing you don't see them often?

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stuarta:

2000... see em roughly every 2yrs

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Merlin83b:

Beirdo: Or fly by private aviation. You'll note the only panic is around major airports.

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Beirdo:

yeah, true

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Beirdo:

my f'in ISP just changed my IP

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Beirdo:

I hate em

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linagee:

weird... i got a show with nothing but static. but i just ran a basic test and there is video.

[15:44:59]

linagee:

maybe the cable went out. lol

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linagee:

Beirdo: dyndns.org

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Merlin83b:

I use changeip.com

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linagee:

Merlin83b: do they offer a dynamic ip service if you have your own .com too?

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Beirdo:

I have dynamic DNS already

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Beirdo:

that's not the problem

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Beirdo:

the problem is them flapping the fucking IP around

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stuarta:

i have a static ip *shrug*

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Merlin83b:

linagee: I believe so, but a CNAME covers that one :-)

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stuarta:

yeah, breaks all your long running tcp sessions

[15:46:29]

GreyFoxx:

Beirdo: Their leases are really low, being offline for an hour would almost certainly change your IP. Let alone if they move networks around

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linagee:

Merlin83b: hrm. but people could tell

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Beirdo:

it's SOOOO annoying

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Beirdo:

yeah, they have 2h leases

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Merlin83b:

linagee: They could, but it hardly matters :-)

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stuarta:

2hr?? damn that's small

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linagee:

Beirdo: i have like a 2 minute leave or something. ;)

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Beirdo:

I just got punted onto a different network

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linagee:

Beirdo: dyndns.org

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linagee:

free

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stuarta:

linagee: it won't help

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Beirdo:

and I haven't been offline at all

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Beirdo:

I ALREADY HAVE DYNAMIC DNS

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linagee:

stuarta: why not?

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Beirdo:

heh

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linagee:

Beirdo: if you have it, then why the grumpy face at the changed ip?

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stuarta:

it breaks all existing tcp connections if your ip changes

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Beirdo:

now if you can convince the fuckers to give me a static IP, THAT would help :)

[15:47:51]

Beirdo:

because all my connections drop, silly

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linagee:

Beirdo: what isp? cable modem?

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stuarta:

they won't even do it for money?

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Beirdo:

yeah, cable modem

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Beirdo:

I don't think they would at all

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linagee:

Beirdo: then get cox business services or whatever. :p

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linagee:

Beirdo: for $100/mo, cox business services will give you a static ip and not do port blocking. (afaik)

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Beirdo:

buncha useless fuckers

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Beirdo:

Liberty Cablevision, Puerto Rico

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Beirdo:

Cox ain't an option

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linagee:

ah

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linagee:

heh

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Beirdo:

nor is paying $100/month

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

wish PRTC would hurry up and offer DSL in this neighborhood though

[15:49:28]

** stuarta gets that for 11–22.5 quid per month **

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Juski:

hometime (yay!).. ttyl

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** linagee taps foot. waiting? **

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linagee:

:)

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Beirdo:

I have to flush the firewall states whenever the IP changes too

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Beirdo:

annnnoying

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Beirdo:

Oh good GOD, the shrubbery is gonna talk about his favorite topic... terrorism

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stuarta:

can't you tie that to the dhcp renewal?

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linagee:

stuarta: yes

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Beirdo:

not easily

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linagee:

Beirdo: "almost never changes" is better than "changes every time you connect to it"

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Beirdo:

I tried, but the hooks don't work quite right (in OpenBSD)

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linagee:

Beirdo: with DSL, my ip changes every time my modem syns

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linagee:

syncs

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Beirdo:

OMG, Bush is more moronic every speech

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Beirdo:

America is at war with Islamic Fascists?

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Beirdo:

oh that won't have any backlash, noooo

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Beirdo:

anyone want to teach him tact?

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qu0zl:

was that from a speech? if it was a team of scriptwriters went over that and they chose to say that

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qu0zl:

which is even lamer

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stuarta:

don't think you could get close enough with the 4x2 cluebat

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Beirdo:

well then his speech writers should be forced to do service in Iraq for a couple years

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scopeuk:

new gfx arrived so my main workstation is back online

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Beirdo:

smearing Islam like that is NOT the way to calm shit down

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stuarta:

tis a happy day for scopeuk

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qu0zl:

i guess they figure if you portray the opponent as fascist everybody will think you're the goodguy

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scopeuk:

most definately

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Beirdo:

yay, toy++

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Beirdo:

qu0zl, especially when you are being the fascist yourself, eh? :)

[15:59:03]

qu0zl:

hehe yep :)

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stuarta:

bugs--, cur_bug++

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gardengnome:

linagee: with DSL, my IP changes every 24h when i get forcefully disconnected.

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linagee:

sucks

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gardengnome:

yeah. at the moment, it happens around 3pm. gotta change that ;)

[16:00:23]

RaYmAn-Bx:

sounds like a horrible dsl provider

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** jepeltw searches fruitlessly among local stores for an IR receiver **

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gardengnome:

especially because my ssh session doesn't like it that much...

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Beirdo:

anyways... the people America's fighting aren't fascists... radicals, dingbats, crazies, sure... but not fascist

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gardengnome:

RaYmAn-Bx: kinda normal for T-Com. they do it so you don't use it as a business line, i think.

[16:01:39]

RaYmAn-Bx:

again, crappy provider =P

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GreyFoxx:

Beirdo: I think more people need to lookup fascists in the dictionary

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gardengnome:

*shrug* i'm not used to anything better so i can live with it :)

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Beirdo:

GreyFoxx, for sure :)

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RaYmAn-Bx:

most of the providers here let you keep your ip for weeks..even months or years..until you leave your conn down for too long or the dhcp server goes down or something

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Beirdo:

fuck terrorism, I got me coding to do

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stuarta:

hows gpu trans today?

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Beirdo:

wrote a small Cg fragment program to do the YUV420P -> YUV444 for me

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Beirdo:

now I just have to get it into the GPU

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Beirdo:

heh

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stuarta:

Cg is the GPU language?

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Beirdo:

and figure out what format I want to get it back out in

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Beirdo:

yeah, made by nvidia

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Beirdo:

it's very C-like

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Merlin83b:

YUV444, or you've written some useless code ;-)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

well, the GPU needs it internally in YUV444

[16:12:29]

Beirdo:

I might be able to get ffmpeg to deal with packed YUV444

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Beirdo:

rather than planar

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Beirdo:

if I need to do it planar, it will be a pain

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Beirdo:

grrr

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Beirdo:

no YUV444 packed

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Beirdo:

sigh

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Beirdo:

OK, time for more research

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Merlin83b:

Might it be easier to modify ffmpeg?

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Beirdo:

possibly

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Beirdo:

or I could just spit it out in RGB for testing

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Merlin83b:

Easy to get locked into the way you'd thought of doing things originally so thought I'd at least suggest investigation :-)

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Beirdo:

as for testing, I'm dumping to PPM files anyways

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Beirdo:

yeah, I hear ya

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Beirdo:

I wish you could easily bind more than one output to a fragment processor

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Fnc-1:

anyone happen to know the sql syntax to copy all tables from an existing db to a newly created one?

[16:18:23]

Anduin:

Fnc-1: dump and restore

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Juski:

wow. traffic was bad tonight on the way home

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gardengnome:

you need a tank.

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jepeltw:

nah, just a couple of missiles

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Juski:

hmmm not for the kind of thing I have in mind

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Juski:

yay just had a nice rant

[17:19:48]

GreyFoxx:

hehe about the new flight restrictions ?

[17:22:03]

Juski:

basically

[17:22:16]

Juski:

fucking knee-jerk reactionist authorities

[17:22:19]

GreyFoxx:

yeah

[17:22:49]

GreyFoxx:

Next they will be tying you up silence of the lambs style, otherwise you might scratch someone or jam your finger in their eyes.

[17:23:19]

Juski:

yeh.. please use this roll of duct tape to secure yourself to your seat

[17:23:21]

GreyFoxx:

Anything can be used to kill anyone if you are determined enough

[17:23:25]

GreyFoxx:

hehe

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Juski:

even airline food!

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GreyFoxx:

It's all silly

[17:24:19]

Juski:

apparently the plot was to use liquids carried on in drinks bottles... and that makes their banning of books and magazines sensible HOW?

[17:24:40]

Juski:

what next? strip off & check your clothes in as luggage.. naked flights?

[17:24:41]

Juski:

oops

[17:24:50]

Juski:

</rant>

[17:24:56]

GreyFoxx:

cause maybe it's merged in with the ink! and when you wet it and then filter it through the napkin you have a killer poison or gas!

[17:25:01]

Juski:

god I'm so pissed off I could VOTE

[17:25:14]

GreyFoxx:

I agree through it's ridiculous

[17:25:53]

GreyFoxx:

Hell, all you need is someone in the emergency exit row to grab on and open the door to cause all the havoc you need :)

[17:26:06]

Juski:

and all the passengers are just like "yeah whatever,,, thanks for saving us from being blowed up"... I'd have been arrested by now

[17:26:31]

imperfect-:

Anyone know if it's possible to have a LiveTV buffer be local, but recordings be NFS?

[17:26:37]

imperfect-:

i.e. two seperate paths?

[17:26:41]

Juski:

imperfect-: used to be, but not anymore

[17:26:53]

imperfect-:

I see.

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GreyFoxx:

imperfect-: livetv is just a recording now :)

[17:27:02]

imperfect-:

Ah

[17:27:03]

imperfect-:

I see.

[17:27:06]

Juski:

oh wait... maybe actually.. seen a bit of talk about multiple recording locations

[17:27:20]

GreyFoxx:

nothing you can specify to be livetv or not

[17:27:32]

imperfect-:

Yeah... ring buffers, right?

[17:27:44]

** Juski mutters something about patches & looking forward to seeing stuff etc **

[17:27:47]

imperfect-:

I'd like those to be local — and when I actually record, record to NFS

[17:28:00]

Juski:

imperfect-: use 0.18 then

[17:28:11]

imperfect-:

Not gonna happen, eh?

[17:28:17]

imperfect-:

How bout like

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GreyFoxx:

imperfect-: pre 0.19 there was a livetv ringbuffer which could be in a different location

[17:28:22]

imperfect-:

10 second buffer

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imperfect-:

;)

[17:28:36]

Juski:

I'm not the only one to think that there's already too much you can configure in mythtv

[17:28:44]

GreyFoxx:

I agree

[17:29:06]

imperfect-:

My component out has my tv running at 1024x768

[17:29:12]

imperfect-:

is that enough for HD content?

[17:29:30]

GreyFoxx:

What is the native res of your TV ?

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Juski:

it's enough for 'HD ready' TVs, so I imagine so

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imperfect-:

480i/1080i

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imperfect-:

It's CRT

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GreyFoxx:

imperfect-: If you can, always try to use th4e native res of the tv

[17:30:16]

GreyFoxx:

less scaling on it's part, less messing with the image

[17:30:28]

Juski:

TVs are notoriously bad at scaling

[17:30:34]

GreyFoxx:

very

[17:30:41]

Juski:

though on a CRT you might not notice as much

[17:30:45]

imperfect-:

so...

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imperfect-:

I want to drop it back to 640x480?

[17:30:55]

Juski:

depends how it processes the video :)

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GreyFoxx:

imperfect-: Well, if it has a 1080i res, you could use it :)

[17:31:11]

Juski:

output at 1080i if you can.. but we've been there

[17:31:13]

imperfect-:

the nvidia drivers overscan like a mofo at 1920x1080 and i'm missing 30%of the screen

[17:31:13]

imperfect-:

;)

[17:31:28]

GreyFoxx:

imperfect-: you are suppose to be missing that

[17:31:39]

imperfect-:

someone here suggested changing the UI tomatch what I could see

[17:31:42]

imperfect-:

I am?

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GreyFoxx:

IT's the reason CRT's have the plastic llip around the outside edge of the display

[17:31:51]

Juski:

I tried explaining it the other night

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imperfect-:

Juski: I was going to say... I guess I don't get it.

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GreyFoxx:

they are not like monitors that show you everything

[17:32:13]

Juski:

the wiki entry about overscan explains it a little better I think

[17:32:16]

GreyFoxx:

your TV is ALWAYS overscanning

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imperfect-:

Ah

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GreyFoxx:

or at least everything that outputs to the TV is

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Juski:

even sets with HDMI overscan

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imperfect-:

Is there data outside the view ican't see?

[17:32:32]

GreyFoxx:

yes

[17:32:49]

imperfect-:

so I guess my next question is:

[17:32:52]

GreyFoxx:

some of the image and small black bars on each side

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imperfect-:

if I'm watching content on my LCD coming in through the PVr

[17:33:02]

imperfect-:

why don't I see anything extra?

[17:33:02]

Juski:

and – TV producers & TV companies assume your set overscans.. which is why when you don't have overscan people complain about fuzzy edges & weird stuff

[17:33:44]

GreyFoxx:

It's not like you see movie trivia or anything. It's just the "junk"

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imperfect-:

So what's you're telling me is: I can't expect to run a desktop at 1080i ?

[17:34:02]

Juski:

not on a TV

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Juski:

even $2500 screens overscan

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imperfect-:

GreyFoxx : right I get it.. but I mean why isn't the "junk" viewable on the stream coming from the card?

[17:34:50]

GreyFoxx:

imperfect-: As we've stated it's usually just in the form of black bars and "fuzzy edges"

[17:35:02]

Juski:

but it might not be the case in every case

[17:35:17]

imperfect-:

right but i've never noticed black bars or fuzzy edges so to speak

[17:35:19]

imperfect-:

am I just not looking?

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GreyFoxx:

there is a percentage that will bve black lines, but it's like 8 pixels per side or some such

[17:35:41]

imperfect-:

See that's where you guys lose me

[17:35:47]

imperfect-:

I'm missing way more than 8pixelss all the way around

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Juski:

that's the TV to blame

[17:35:57]

GreyFoxx:

*sigh* you are so missing my point

[17:36:10]

imperfect-:

This medium, as well as me, is imperfect.

[17:36:13]

imperfect-:

So forgive me.

[17:36:18]

** GreyFoxx gets out a graphics program **

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Juski:

back in the 1950s when TV was young, TV sets couldn't keep accurate timing for the sweeps of the electron beams which make up the TV picture

[17:37:21]

Juski:

so they came up with overscan, to let set manufacturers have some leeway so that nobody complained about borders & crap missing off the screen

[17:37:45]

Juski:

and now in the digital age where timing is rock solid – we're still stuck with overscan :-/

[17:38:33]

Juski:

my TV overscans by exactly 5% horizontally & 5% vertically. I've measured it

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Juski:

imperfect-: if you got a monitor which could display 1920x1080, then yeah you'd be able to fill the screen right to the edges & still see the whole desktop

[17:39:51]

Juski:

that doesn't explain why when you run your PC under windows you CAN see the edges though (no idea wtf is going on there)

[17:40:24]

Juski:

but you've already said you don't wanna mess with modelines cos you're scared of breaking your TV, so you have to put up with it ;)

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rlbond1:

hey does anyone know where modprobe.conf is located?

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imperfect-:

What about HD content.. if I can't see the whole thign it'll be fine

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rlbond1:

i have knoppmyth...

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Juski:

rlbond1: usually /etc isn't it?

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rlbond1:

i couldn't find it there

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Juski:

imperfect-: broadcasters all work within the 'safe area' rules anyway, so you'd be unlikely to miss anything important off the screen

[17:43:38]

Juski:

imperfect-: a dvd called 'digital video essentials' will tell you how much your picture is overscanned

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Juski:

also good for helping you adjust the colour, brightness & contrast properly too (seriously)

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gardengnome:

rlbond1: on debian based system, you put your modules into /etc/modules if you just want them to load. for other stuff, like adding insmod options, you use the /etc/modules.d/ directory (and run update-modules or something like that) afterwards.

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rlbond1:

well the problem is that i am supposed to add "option ivtv tuner=50,-1" to my modprobe.conf file

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rlbond1:

apparently

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rlbond1:

my pvr-500 won't tune or change channel

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word:

does gstreamer do sound?

[18:02:03]

Juski:

yep

[18:02:29]

Juski:

interesting question.. what does gstreamer have to do with mythtv?

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word:

Juski: I did some wierd stuff with it and i don't get sound on mythtv so i thought the two could be related

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Juski:

all kinds of folks are doing stuff with gstreamer these days.

[18:12:37]

word:

all the tutorials i found pertaining to my distro had me making another user named mythtv...and now when im in my regular user i'm getting access denied to the database

[18:13:39]

word:

what should i do?

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Juski:

fixing that should be pretty easy

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Juski:

you can try mysql -u mythtv -p

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Juski:

then enter the mythtv mysql user's password (which you should by rights know)

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word:

yah that works but..when i start mythfrontend it freaks out

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Juski:

define... freaks out

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word:

http://pastebin.ca/125511 – thats all in about 4 seconds

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stuarta:

well at least somebody closed their own stupid ticket for a change...

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asfui:

heyla

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Juski:

word: you've not granted permissions for all identified by mythtv to be allowed into the db

[18:20:02]

Juski:

(just a rough guess)

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rlbond1:

does anyone know how to get a pvr-500 working in knoppmyth?

[18:20:31]

Juski:

I expect the knoppmyth forum guys know very well how to do that

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gardengnome:

or the knoppmyth wiki guys

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Juski:

you could try searching their forum

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word:

ok i'll do that when i get back from getting my new school id thanks Juski

[18:21:16]

Juski:

oh yeah knoppmyth have a wiki.. wonder if there's any chance there could be some sharing of information...

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jams:

come to think of it, I havent seen the knoppmyth wiki guy in a while

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Fnc-1:

wiki wiki wahhhh

[18:30:27]

jams:

problems?

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Fnc-1:

juski what you wanna share?

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gardengnome:

Fnc-1: warez?

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Fnc-1:

whoa.. havent done that stuff in ages

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Fnc-1:

what cha got though?

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Juski:

I was just thinking... look in the knoppmyth wiki, find stuff they have that we could use, exchange, co-operate etc :)

[18:33:31]

jams:

think he would be fine with that, just don't ask to merge. That didn't go over so well last time

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Fnc-1:

just go over there and cut and paste what ever you want

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Fnc-1:

i grant thee permission

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Juski:

ahem. ah well. it was a nice idea

[18:39:08]

Juski:

ooo plenty of stuff there after all. PEBCAK

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asfui:

gotta problem with sound when watching liveTV, when i change channel, the sound goes away, i have to go in alsamixer and unset and then set the video line of the card for capture

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asfui:

someone have already see that?

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gardengnome:

asfui: does your video happen to lag behind your sound?

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Fnc-1:

well then change it back to a channel that has sound... sheesh

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gardengnome:

!trout Fnc-1

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** MythLogBot slaps Fnc-1 with a trout on behalf of gardengnome... **

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jams:

gardengnome- just another one for the list

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Saviq:

gardengnome: sorry for the break, had to go out...

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asfui:

gardengnome: the video freeze for a second, then a sound for a faction of second , and when i'm on the new channel, no sound, but anyway the video freeze when i change channel few days ago when the audio wasn't set too

[18:55:25]

Saviq:

if U remember what I asked about – the "child" movies

[18:55:38]

Saviq:

and yes it was about 2 (or more) cd movies

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imperfect-:

Here's a overscanning qestion...

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imperfect-:

Juski: lets say I run in 1080i with 30% of my screen gone...

[18:57:27]

imperfect-:

Juski: When I spawn xine to play a movie won't it be cutting crap off?

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gardengnome:

jams: yeah.

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GreyFoxx:

imperfect-: The application wouldn't be no.

[18:58:25]

GreyFoxx:

but yes, the videcard+tv will be overscanning the video

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gardengnome:

Saviq: you can group those files together. set the second "cd" to hidden (unbrowseable, iirc – dunno off-head) and set the first CD to play the second cd afterwards.

[18:59:22]

imperfect-:

GreyFoxx : so i wont be losing part of the video off the screen?

[19:00:10]

GreyFoxx:

imperfect-: myth+xine+mplayer are displaying the full frame, the videocard/tv are what are actually overscanning/displaying the overscaned video

[19:00:40]

imperfect-:

okay

[19:00:48]

imperfect-:

Maybe I'm not explaining myself ;)

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GreyFoxx:

heh

[19:01:19]

imperfect-:

I display a desktop 1920x1080 on my tv... the menu bar across the top and the bar at the bottom and lots onboth sides

[19:01:20]

imperfect-:

gone

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imperfect-:

can't see em

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imperfect-:

I could run mythtv and just have the frontend geometry fit what I can see

[19:01:49]

imperfect-:

but when I spawn xine – it's gonna wanna go full screen

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gardengnome:

maybe you can set the geometry for xine, too.

[19:02:28]

GreyFoxx:

yeah

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imperfect-:

so my question is:will I be losing things.. or will the video be formatted in such a way asto magically fit the area I can see? ;)

[19:02:47]

imperfect-:

So send xine geomtery data?

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GreyFoxx:

imperfect-: You will have to specifically tell xine the geometry info

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imperfect-:

Okay

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imperfect-:

finally!~

[19:03:05]

imperfect-:

Sorry I wasn't explaining myself well.

[19:03:05]

GreyFoxx:

In myth you can tell it to use the geometry info for video playback as well

[19:03:17]

imperfect-:

Thats really what i've been wanting to know

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** GreyFoxx has his overscanned turned up to 100% so it looks exactly like it does in "normal" tv **

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GreyFoxx:

in fact, 720x480, 100% overscan and it looks better than ever before. as close to perfect as I can expect

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gardengnome:

same here. except with an 800x600 resolution. combined with XvMC and bob deinterlacing. looks very good, imho

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GreyFoxx:

laga: I was using 800x600, and before 640x480. But after switching to 720x480 a week ago, and pushing the overscan from 95% to 100% it's a very noticable improvement

[19:06:35]

imperfect-:

my TV doesn't do 720p

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gr00ve:

720x480 is ntsc, not 720p

[19:06:55]

imperfect-:

gotcha

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GreyFoxx:

I wasn't complaining before, but was messing around and decicded to give it a go, and am wowed by it. before I could see minor artifacts on some recordings which were very common on certain channels. Now those same recordings and I can't see any of the artifacts from the gpu scaling

[19:07:13]

imperfect-:

Well I've got a Air2PC

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GreyFoxx:

impr: 720x480 = 480i

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imperfect-:

and I'll have stuff that is crazy detailed

[19:07:36]

imperfect-:

Imean it seems like it has to be 1080i

[19:07:41]

imperfect-:

I can see the zits and makeup on people

[19:07:47]

imperfect-:

its creepy

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GreyFoxx:

imperfect-: It's likely is :)

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gr00ve:

GreyFox – are you doing overscan in myth or do you do it with the vidcard driver( nvidia? )

[19:08:13]

imperfect-:

that's what I don't get

[19:08:16]

imperfect-:

if I watch 1080i

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GreyFoxx:

gr00ve: nvidia driver.

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imperfect-:

and my tv is chopping it off... will it just have to reize itinto my geometry?

[19:09:03]

gr00ve:

GreyFox – so you're setting it to 100% overscan in nvidia-settings?!

[19:09:07]

GreyFoxx:

gr00ve: I call nvidia-settings in my window manager startup script poushing it to 100%

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asfui:

some suggestion for this strange problem with alsa?

[19:10:14]

GreyFoxx:

gr00ve: I also set it in my X config, but it seemed like the driver was ignoring the setting, so I started calling it from the IceWM startup script just before mythfrontend is launched

[19:10:48]

gardengnome:

GreyFoxx: i had to do that twice, e.g. forcing it to explicitly set it to 25. do you know if this is fixed in the newer drivers?

[19:11:06]

gr00ve:

GreyFox – yeah i think you'll need nvidia-settings to set it... I haven't gotten an xorg.conf working with my nvidia at 720x480 res yet

[19:11:33]

imperfect-:

Think I could watch HDTV over gigabit ethernet?

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GreyFoxx:

gardengnome: It might be, I'm still using a 7xxxx driver as I've not had any real reason to try a newer one

[19:12:18]

asfui:

there is no error in the output on the mythfrontend, and on mythbackend too

[19:12:30]

gr00ve:

imperfect – probably... gig-e can typically dish out 20MB/s or so...

[19:12:37]

asfui:

it'a really frustating problem :)

[19:12:46]

imperfect-:

That's really lame

[19:12:54]

gr00ve:

you can view locally and run iostat -xt 5 to see the disk throughput – if your network can dish that fast, you're all set

[19:12:56]

imperfect-:

100MBp can sustain 11mbs

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gardengnome:

GreyFoxx: ah, ok.

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GreyFoxx:

gr00ve: This is the modeline I use : ModeLine "720x480" 26.7 720 736 808 896 480 481 484 497

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gr00ve:

imperfect – sure... i'm just saying that in my experience few gig-e cards/drivers dish out faster than about 20MB/s

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GreyFoxx:

I get around 38MB here between the machines on the gige gear, and those limits are also due to how fast it can pull from the drives

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imperfect-:

I've got 7200RPM IDe on the one end

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imperfect-:

and 10kRPM on the front end

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imperfect-:

What is iostat telling me?

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imperfect-:

hehe

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imperfect-:

I'm assuming I'm supposed to be watching HD video ;)

[19:17:40]

imperfect-:

Here's a question:

[19:17:46]

imperfect-:

if I make my frontend a slave backend

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imperfect-:

when I watch live, will it use the card in the front end if it's got one or will it try to use the master cards in order?

[19:19:47]

gr00ve:

iostat will tell you the read k/sec

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Anduin:

imperfect-: It will prefer local.

[19:20:01]

gr00ve:

that will tell you how fast a network will need to be to support playback over tcp/ip

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imperfect-:

So i should record HD content

[19:20:25]

imperfect-:

see how it goes

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gr00ve:

yep. i'd guess gig-e's fast enough for HD, but i'm not positive

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imperfect-:

well

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imperfect-:

I'm only averaging 8.5 megabyte a second at the moment

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gr00ve:

disk throughput?

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imperfect-:

between machines 100mbp

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kormoc:

100 mbit *should* be fast enough for most HDTV

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GreyFoxx:

considering the max is 19mbit :)

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imperfect-:

Yeah watching TV over the network is a nogo

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GreyFoxx:

you can watch hdtv over a 100mbit network easily. now get 4 or 5 streams going and you might have problems

[19:24:57]

imperfect-:

Yeah

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imperfect-:

well

[19:25:00]

imperfect-:

I've never been ableto

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imperfect-:

I can't even watch SDTVover the network

[19:25:10]

imperfect-:

from a 3.0ghz backend

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GreyFoxx:

then you do have serious problems :)

[19:25:20]

kormoc:

yeah

[19:25:36]

kormoc:

I had for awhile SD over the network twice to watch

[19:25:49]

kormoc:

backend was recording to a remote NFS share, and watching tv on a remote frontend

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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gr00ve:

imperfect – what was happening when you tried to watch sdtv over the network? lagging/freezing?

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imperfect-:

Yeah

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imperfect-:

I get all sorts of prebuffer pauses and stuff when watching locally

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gr00ve:

huh... irq conflicts with network card maybe?

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imperfect-:

i dunno

[19:26:41]

imperfect-:

the only thing in the box

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gr00ve:

are you on a switched network or a hub?

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imperfect-:

is the video card

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imperfect-:

and the PVR card

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imperfect-:

switched.

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gr00ve:

that's wild

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imperfect-:

yeah

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imperfect-:

The front end is a single core 3.6ghz p4

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gr00ve:

i'd guess maybe a duplex mismatch

[19:27:17]

imperfect-:

and the backend is a 3.0ghz p4

[19:27:21]

imperfect-:

Nope

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imperfect-:

it's fine

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gr00ve:

well, something's pretty hosed, because sdtv shouldn't even break a sweat over 100meg

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imperfect-:

Im gonna upgrade to a 3.8ghz chip

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imperfect-:

w/ 2mb of cache

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gr00ve:

don't expect that to fix your network streaming issues

[19:28:00]

imperfect-:

start doing some testing

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opello:

you're sure it's not just buffering on the nfs?

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Goose-BA:

imperfect-: thats a waste of money cause its not your processor

[19:28:14]

opello:

not feeding the remote fast enough

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LoneShadow:

what kind of connection is required to have mythfrontend across isp providers ?

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GreyFoxx:

LoneShadow: What bitrate are you recording at ?

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LoneShadow:

what ever was set to default

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melunko:

GreyFoxx: hi

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GreyFoxx:

then you will need that +10–15% or so

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GreyFoxx:

unless you do some transcoding or something to lower it

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LoneShadow:

do you stream the same video using vlc ?

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melunko:

GreyFoxx: I'm trying to use analog TV, but the backend shows:

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melunko:

GetSignal_v4l1(fd 20, input 1, v4l2): error(Invalid argument)

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GreyFoxx:

LoneShadow: The rate times I do it, I use vlc yeah

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GreyFoxx:

and I lower the bitrate greatly

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GreyFoxx:

s/rate/rare/

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melunko:

Any idea?

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GreyFoxx:

melunko: I've never seen that before

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melunko:

:(

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gr00ve:

that sounds like a problem with the capture card driver

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gr00ve:

what card/driver do you use?

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melunko:

I use a Pinacle PCTV USB2

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melunko:

I can watch with kdetv

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melunko:

I set the frequency at mythtv-setup channels

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gr00ve:

the driver's working okay and you ran mythtv-setup and configured the card with no problems?

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melunko:

yeap

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gr00ve:

not familiar with that card – you're sure mythtv supports it?

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word:

gr00ve: if i have the db set up and working alright for a user named mythtv on my computer..how do i get it to allow my main user to access the db? it's giving me access denied.

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GreyFoxx:

LoneShadow: With vlc and lowering my bitrate, I'm happy using 256kbit for video (scaled down to 50% of the original) and 64kbit for audio

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Saviq:

word: try /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt for the password

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opello:

mysql -u mythtv -pmythtv mythconvert

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opello:

mythconverg*

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word:

it lets me get in that way

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word:

but when i run mythfrontend it says access denied..but when i'm logged in as mythtv it's fine.

[19:37:46]

melunko:

gr00ve: Does Mythtv uses V4L2?

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gr00ve:

word – what userid are you running the frontend as?

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gr00ve:

you'd issue a command in mysql client something like:

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gr00ve:

GRANT ALL ON mythconverg.* TO mythtv@localhost IDENTIFIED BY "mythtv";

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gr00ve:

FLUSH PRIVILEGES;

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word:

my main one

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word:

identified by 'word' then if i want this account to have rights?

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gr00ve:

word – what userid is your "main one"

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gr00ve:

word – say your main userid is "word"

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word:

my main userid is word

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gr00ve:

word – you'd do GRANT ALL ON mythconverg.* TO word@localhost IDENTIFIED by "password";

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gardengnome:

didn't know uids could be alpha-numeric...

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gr00ve:

and set password to that account's password

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gardengnome:

duh.

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gr00ve:

uids are numeric – usernames are alpha

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gr00ve:

word – yeah so run the GRANT and the FLUSH commands substituting word for mythtv and your word account's passwd

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gardengnome:

gr00ve: i don't think you understand the privilege system in mysql. the user names in mysql are independent from system users, eg the stuff in /etc/passwd.

[19:40:05]

gr00ve:

after that it should be able to access, and you can verify by just starting mysqlclient with mysql -uword -p mythconverg

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gr00ve:

uh – i was responding to you saing you didn't know uids could be alpha-numeric

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gr00ve:

thought you were talking unix userid's

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Saviq:

where "word" is the username, -p is "get password" and mythconverg is the db name

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gr00ve:

i was trying to find out what account he expects to login to mysql as if not mythtv user

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word:

yah so i have access but...mythfrontend still says access denied for mythtv@localhost even though when i'm in as the user mythtv it doesnt mind

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gardengnome:

gr00ve: i thought you were mixing up system users with mysql users.

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gardengnome:

word: edit /home/word/mythtv/mysql.txt

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gr00ve:

word – did you setup myth to use the database username/passwd combo: mythtv/mythtv ?

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gr00ve:

if so and that works from the mysql client spawned in a shell, it should work fine in myth

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word:

uh i used a different password..and there is no /home/word/mythtv.mysql.txt

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word:

mythtv/mysql.txt*

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melunko:

gr00ve: When I launch the backend, I get the error:

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melunko:

gr00v

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melunko:

Channel(/dev/video1) Error: InitPictureAttribute( hue): failed to query controls.

[19:43:39]

gr00ve:

gardengnome – yeah and i mistook word – thought word was trying to run mythtv as user "word" – that's not the case

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word:

i'm trying to run mythtv as the system user word

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gr00ve:

word – okay, and you're still using mythtv mysql user account... so it's probably just passwd mismatch

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word:

um..yah..

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gr00ve:

boy i sure wish i'd had some sleep last night, i'm not very with it today

[19:46:30]

gr00ve:

word – in your ~word/.mythtv dir

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gr00ve:

word – /home/word/.mythtv/mysql.txt – does that exist?

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word:

yup and changing the password to the right one did the trick :D

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gr00ve:

cool, sorry for the confusion i completely misunderstood you like 3 different ways

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word:

lol i completely missunderstood myself 10 different ways following this tutorial ;p

[19:48:10]

gr00ve:

hehe. let's hope i don't use root today, i'm probably dangerous

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word:

these tutorials* 3 different ones all done at different times with different steps with different versions of software lol..

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Saviq:

hey guys do "not browsable" files show up in gallery view all the time?

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gr00ve:

yeah i think most people using myth kind of learn it slowly through several disparate sources of info like you're doing

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gr00ve:

Saviq – not sure... i haven't used mythvideo much, but i remember being confused by that flag and it didn't seem to do what i expected

[19:50:53]

Saviq:

yep... doesn't do nothing here :|

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gr00ve:

they all show up no matter how you set them, right?

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Saviq:

yep

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gr00ve:

it could be a bug, actually, never thought to look in trac for it

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gr00ve:

as a matter of fact, now that i think of it, there's a prominent bug in trac for svn trunk that says "mythvideo doesn't respect access controls" or similar

[19:51:46]

gr00ve:

i bet that's related

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Saviq:

thought it was because I had enabled "show all files" that showed up even files that are not scanned (afaik it's the only way to watch divxs from cds)

[19:52:04]

GreyFoxx:

Saviq: It depends. If you set it to access the filesystem like a browser they will all show up I believe

[19:52:29]

gr00ve:

http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/404

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gr00ve:

looks to be the case...

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GreyFoxx:

I have the video list set to browse the filesystem, and gallery to only use the database

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Saviq:

damn 10 months?

[19:54:13]

gr00ve:

in the grander scheme of things, that's probably a fairly low priority

[19:54:21]

Saviq:

true...

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Fnc-1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTfvYZ1MV40&am . . . &search=

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gr00ve:

uh oh

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Saviq:

weird... just made a symlink from /cdrom to my videos folder... and it does not show up :|

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GreyFoxx:

Saviq: That ticket was really referring to mythweb in the video listing section

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Juski:

hey hey

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Juski:

re

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Saviq:

hellow

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Juski:

Fnc-1: is there supposed to be audio in that video?

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Fnc-1:

yup

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Anduin:

Saviq: In file view files are browseable unless you have it load metadata and the browse flag isn't set.

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Fnc-1:

thats the funniest part.. else you cant hear the job

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Juski:

oh crap

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Saviq:

well... for me it looks like the browse flag doesn't do nothing

[20:02:06]

Saviq:

and I checked "browser reflects filesystem" or something

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Saviq:

so it should show also files that weren't scanned for metadata

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Anduin:

Saviq: Do you also have the "load metadata from db" checkbox checked?

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Juski:

well the stupid youtube player is using the wrong audio device

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Juski:

bah

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scopeuk:

slap it

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scopeuk:

or use mplayer

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Saviq:

ok... forgot to filter by "browse=yes"...

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Saviq:

thought it should be the default...

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gr00ve:

youtube manages to unsync the audio from the video by about a quarter second

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gr00ve:

frustrating as heck when you're trying to watch a drummer or guitarist, etc

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Juski:

right clicking on the flash window gives me loads of missing widgets

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word:

gr00ve: one last thing it seems.. -

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word:

2006-08–10 13:04:31.486 Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION:

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word:

2006-08–10 13:04:31.486 ProgramList::FromScheduler(): Error querying master.

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word:

2006-08–10 13:04:52.252 Connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543 (try 1 of 5)

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Juski:

no great loss.. so I can't watch youtube...

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gr00ve:

word – 1) backend's running...

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word:

i'm getting that when ever i try to add something..do i need to restart the backend?

[20:06:24]

gr00ve:

word – you can try that as a first course of action

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Saviq:

ok the browse flag does work now...

[20:07:03]

word:

Session management error: Could not open network socket that's from restarting it

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gr00ve:

did it stop properly?

[20:07:32]

Saviq:

but can't get ahold of my cdrom unless there's anything in the db that's on the cdrom

[20:07:45]

Saviq:

I have 4 symlinks in my videos dir

[20:07:54]

Saviq:

all 3 show up in "folder" view

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Saviq:

except for the cdrom

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gr00ve:

word – also – you're starting backend as root, right?

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Anduin:

Saviq: frontend user has perms there?

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Juski:

fixed!

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Saviq:

yeah it shows up when there's a movie in the db that's on the cdrom

[20:09:54]

Saviq:

regardless of "Video list browses files" setting

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Saviq:

which in my understanding should show up all files

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GreyFoxx:

Saviq: And you exiting Video List and entered it again ?

[20:10:15]

Saviq:

not only the scanned ones

[20:10:16]

Saviq:

yep

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GreyFoxx:

hmmm that works fine for me

[20:10:30]

Saviq:

got into settings forth and back again

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asfui:

gotta problem with sound when watching liveTV, when i change channel, the sound goes away, i have to go in alsamixer and unset and then set the video line of the card for capture

[20:10:52]

asfui:

didn't found anthing similar in mailing list

[20:11:06]

Juski:

one mode in gallery mode in mythvideo does away with the capacity to filter browsable – it got to me when that changed but it's not the end of the world :)

[20:11:07]

asfui:

suggestion for what could be?

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GreyFoxx:

Saviq: So your symlink is pointing to a mounted CDROM that contains a video file and after you enter video list even with file system browsing enabled it doesn't show ? Weird cause I do something similar and it works fine

[20:12:09]

Saviq:

yep – does not show up here

[20:12:17]

Saviq:

unless there's a scanned movie that sits in the cdrom

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gr00ve:

saviq and you have read permission as mythtv user to see the video on the cdrom?

[20:12:56]

Saviq:

yes

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GreyFoxx:

Saviq: Can't say I've ever heard of that. I use symlinks and a symlink to a dvdrom all the time in mythvideo

[20:12:59]

asfui:

saviq:i do as greyfox, and it work for me too

[20:13:15]

Saviq:

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 2006-08–10 21:52 cdrom -> /cdrom

[20:13:19]

GreyFoxx:

symlinks, nfs mounts and sometimes samba mounts

[20:13:28]

Saviq:

yeah I know

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GreyFoxx:

Saviq: And what perms are on /cdrom ?

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Anduin:

Saviq: That means nothing.

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gr00ve:

saviq – that's not the permission you need to worry about

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gr00ve:

try looking in /cdrom/*

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gr00ve:

and ls -ld /cdrom and check that, too

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Saviq:

drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2006-07–06 14:04 cdrom0

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gr00ve:

okay, and then if you ls -l /cdrom/cdrom0/* what's in there?

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Saviq:

dr-xr-xr-x 3 root root 2048 2006-06–17 21:39 Film

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GreyFoxx:

keep going :)

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gr00ve:

right – keep going until you reach the actual video file

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Anduin:

Or go back to the top.

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GreyFoxx:

and what are on /cdrom

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gr00ve:

all the parent directories and the video file itself will have to have read access

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Saviq:

-r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 733073408 2006-06–13 10:10 Annapolis.avi

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gr00ve:

as mythtv user

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Saviq:

don't bother the x :]

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gr00ve:

k, that looks alright. what was ls -ld /cdrom ?

[20:16:35]

Saviq:

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 2006-08–10 21:52 cdrom -> /cdrom

[20:16:38]

Saviq:

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 2006-07–06 14:04 /cdrom -> media/cdrom

[20:16:38]

Saviq:

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 2006-07–06 14:04 cdrom -> cdrom0

[20:16:38]

Saviq:

dr-xr-xr-x 5 root root 2048 2006-06–17 21:39 cdrom0

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Saviq:

that's about it :]

[20:16:52]

Saviq:

can link it straight, but don't think it would change anything :]

[20:17:11]

gr00ve:

what a mess...

[20:17:13]

Anduin:

Saviq: You are link crazy.

[20:17:19]

Saviq:

not me...

[20:17:25]

Saviq:

ubuntu is :]

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gr00ve:

looks like it's ls -ld /dev/media/cdrom then that you'd want to see

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word:

gr00ve: i got it sorted the backend hadn't been started right..but when i got to watch live tv i get this – select timeout – ivtv driver has stopped responding

[20:18:07]

Saviq:

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2006-08–10 12:23 /dev/cdrom -> hdc

[20:18:09]

Saviq:

brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 22, 0 2006-08–10 12:23 /dev/hdc

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gr00ve:

word – did ivtv initialize okay (check dmesg)

[20:18:32]

gr00ve:

you may need a cold boot – powerdown for a few seconds then back up – hauppauge cards don't warm boot well, lots of times, in case that helps...

[20:18:35]

Anduin:

Saviq: There you go.

[20:18:36]

Saviq:

nevermind the cdrom group – frontend runs as me atm

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gr00ve:

savig – well – unless you're root or your mythtv userid is in group cdrom, that's a problem

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GreyFoxx:

Saviq: So, /cdrom symlinks to /media/cdrom ? And /media and /media/cdrom hjave one perms ?

[20:19:21]

Saviq:

yep I have full access

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gr00ve:

saviq – as what userid?

[20:19:40]

Saviq:

so frontend run by me should have full access too, shouldn't it

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word:

yup it initilialized fine

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Saviq:

not root

[20:19:53]

Saviq:

1001

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Anduin:

Saviq: There is no mystery here.

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GreyFoxx:

Saviq: Yes but lets backup. myth will not be accessing /dev/hdc directly

[20:20:09]

GreyFoxx:

not when scanning for videos

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GreyFoxx:

you said /cdrom is a symlink to /media/cdrom which is I assume where the cdrom is being mounted?

[20:20:36]

Saviq:

yep

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GreyFoxx:

well, then /media and /media/cdrom are something to look at

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Saviq:

actually cdrom linked to cdrom0 ;]

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Juski:

oh yes! it's time for another enthralling edition of... Time Trumpet :)

[20:21:37]

asfui:

any suggestion really welcome

[20:21:47]

gr00ve:

word – not sure... have you cold booted? can you run mplayer directly against /dev/video0 and see video?

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word:

gr00ve: it initialized fine it seems but :-/

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rlbond1:

hey guys, my sound isn't working. can anyone help? i'm trying to use the builtin sound on my motherboard

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Saviq:

ok I just su'd into mythtv user and yes it has access to the files

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word:

gr00ve: when i try to open mplayer like that no window comes up..i just did it last night and it was fine..

[20:23:45]

gr00ve:

ivtv's not working. cold boot it and try again

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word:

gr00ve: on mine it's video1 though..

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gr00ve:

did you change ivtv related config since last ngiht?

[20:24:09]

gr00ve:

kernels / ivtv rev / rebuilt the driver, etc...

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word:

nope

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gr00ve:

okay

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asfui:

rlbondl:what kind of card do you have?

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gr00ve:

so cold boot it... like i say the hauppauge drivers sometimes don't clear the registers on the tuner card and it winds up out to lunch

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Juski:

damn 'C' icons in the mythcenter programme guide. had me thinking there were conflicts

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rlbond1:

hauppage pvr-500, i changed the tuner to 50,50 in /etc/mythtv/modules/ivtv. i'm on knoppmyth BTW

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Juski:

rlbond1: have you tried searching the knoppmyth forums yet?

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Esotericisms:

I am getting the error "cannot open oldrecorded.MYD" from the mysql server

[20:26:43]

Esotericisms:

can anyone help?

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gr00ve:

rlbond is sound working otherwise ( ie mplayer has sound )

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Esotericisms:

it is causing none of my shows to record

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word:

i booted it up this morning 'cold' :-/ i guess i'll do it again in a bit

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rlbond1:

idk. i don't have any idea how to even make sounds with it

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rlbond1:

lol

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** rlbond1 is a linux noob **

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Juski:

Esotericisms: did you try running mysqlcheck on mythconverg?

[20:28:24]

Juski:

how about restoring a backup you made of the database?

[20:28:34]

Juski:

oh now don't tell me you forgot...

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gr00ve:

rlbond – okay, did you configure alsa drivers for your soundcard?

[20:28:41]

Zoom-Work:

anyone do any kind of automated rss torrent downloading for mythtv?

[20:28:48]

gr00ve:

backup!? what backup!?

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rlbond1:

uh... no

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Juski:

Zoom-Work: we don't do torrent downloading

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Juski:

legal or no, we don't

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gr00ve:

rlbond1 – good chance it's not configured properly, then

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Zoom-Work:

there was fairly high profile plugin for mythtv if I'm not mistaken

[20:29:17]

gr00ve:

you can _try_ doing "alsamixer"

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gr00ve:

and see if the soundcard shows up and is unmuted and turned up and all that

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asfui:

rlbond:the pvr-500 has a mpeg2 encoder, if i'm not wrong, have you tried to set ALSA:default as output and default as mixer?

[20:29:41]

Juski:

Zoom-Work: yeah – called torrentocracy or summink. Wasn't very popular though

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gr00ve:

if that doesn't fix it you probably have more work to do to get sound configured first

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asfui:

rlbond:lol, gr00ve has it right, configure alsa before try to configure mythtv sound

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rlbond1:

how do i set that

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gr00ve:

rlbond the mythtv settings for sound are in the frontend setup menu tree, but first check from a shell that alsamixer sees a card and it's configured as mentioned

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Saviq:

ok found it...

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Saviq:

damn it's stupid...

[20:31:12]

gr00ve:

what was it?

[20:31:24]

Saviq:

filtering by "browse" flag

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gr00ve:

heh

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Saviq:

there should be a filter Browse != No

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Juski:

Zoom-Work: that plugin was last seen working around 0.17 I think

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rlbond1:

it says no such device under alsamixer

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speedsix:

Hi all

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Zoom-Work:

heh

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gr00ve:

rlbond1 – there you go. sound's not configured yet...

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rlbond1:

so uh... how do i do that?

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gr00ve:

rlbond – someone else is gonna have to help you with that as i'm not knoppix familiar

[20:32:56]

gr00ve:

do you know what kind of soundcard it is? like what chipset?

[20:33:01]

speedsix:

Anyone get bad audio sync on mytharchive burnt dvds?

[20:33:03]

asfui:

if someone have some suggestion, when i change channel, the new channel have no sound, and i have to unset and re-set as capture the vidoe channel in alsamixer

[20:33:06]

gr00ve:

lspci will usually reveal the soundcard make/model

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Juski:

speedsix: I've not felt brave enough to actually BURN a disc with mytharchive yet

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gr00ve:

speedsix – nope, but so far i've managed to burn lotsa discs that cause cross-platform segfaults! weee

[20:33:46]

Juski:

speedsix: but unless you're trying it with svn of today....

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asfui:

and it seems to happen even if i didn't change channel, simple every 30minute +-

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speedsix:

svn of a few days ago, made the iso fine, audio is out though

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gr00ve:

the discs mytharchvie turns out seem fine until around the end of a program and then they crash just about any media player i've used in linux or windows. that's pretty magical...

[20:34:23]

speedsix:

atleast it works now, used to segfault with dvdauthor

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speedsix:

gr00ve, wow, odd!

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Saviq:

well... no, actually it wasn't that

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gr00ve:

asfui – i'm still not understanding this part of your problem: "i have to unset and re-set as capture the vidoe channel in alsamixer"

[20:35:20]

speedsix:

Any idea why the audio could be out of sink? DVB btw

[20:36:09]

gr00ve:

speedsix – not sure why that'd happen, sorry. is it consistently out of sync( half second behind on all shows ) or randomly off?

[20:36:23]

speedsix:

gr00ve, constantly

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Juski:

speedsix: only thing I can think of is that the replex operation or mpeg2 transcode (mpeg2 to mpeg2) is broken

[20:37:01]

speedsix:

I'll send a post to the mailing list..

[20:37:24]

Juski:

speedsix: are you running a very recent svn?

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asfui:

gr00ve: i have a loopback cable for my card, pinnacle pctv 40i, so i connected the card with the aux input on my motherboard, compiled saa7314-alsa in the kernel, so i have 2 card in my system

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speedsix:

Juski, yeah, few days, week maybe

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Juski:

speedsix: so it's since mytharchive was pulled in to mythplugins then...

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asfui:

gr00ve: the first is my sound card, the second is the audio chip of my card

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speedsix:

Juski, yeah

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Saviq:

hey what's the latest version?

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Juski:

speedsix: I'd advise you to look for tickets about it first

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rlbond1:

hmmm

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Juski:

Saviq: 0.19 is the latest STABLE version

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speedsix:

ok

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asfui:

gr00ve: doing alsamixer -c 1, i have the video input, that is the audio from TV

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gr00ve:

asfui – in mythtv frontend config – you're set to use alsa/mixer ?

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Juski:

Saviq: .. you know.. like the channel topic says....

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Saviq:

sure... sorry

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asfui:

gr00ve:ALSA:default

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Saviq:

ok let's compile something new... ubuntu comes with .18

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gr00ve:

asfui – sounds like maybe myth's resetting the main soundcard to wave or whatever maybe

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gr00ve:

what does alsamixer change to when you go in after the sound's dropped out?

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Juski:

Saviq: if you're on dapper just use the hamsta debs

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rlbond1:

the chipset is ADI AD1888

[20:40:22]

rlbond1:

err

[20:40:24]

rlbond1:

ADI AD1888

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Juski:

Saviq: get 0.19 from da hamsta ;)

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speedsix:

Also need to look into why playback is jerky over ubuntu NFS

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gr00ve:

rlbond1 – try lsmod and see if you see any modules loaded that look like they're related to sound or that chipset

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jepeltw:

speedsix, ubuntu nfs server or client?

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asfui:

gr00ve:don't know, i have a terminal opened with alsamixer running

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gr00ve:

root__ ... hehe

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asfui:

gr00ve:i'll try now, to see what's happening

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root__:

whoops.

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Juski:

Saviq: add the line "deb http://hamsta.net/mythtv/files/dapper ./" to /etc/apt/sources.list then do apt-get update, then apt-get install mythtv :)

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gr00ve:

lol!

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Ediehow:

hi anyone around?

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speedsix:

jepeltw, Both ubuntu machines. I have to force myth to use the myth protocol otherwise it stutters

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Ediehow:

i got gl working but now when i use mythtv, but not mplayer, i get screwed up display

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jepeltw:

speedsix, what kind of net connection?

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Ediehow:

but if i pause, it looks Ok

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Juski:

speedsix: tried making NFS use TCP?

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speedsix:

100mbit

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netrix:

better.

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speedsix:

Juski, how would I do that?

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JohnRobert:

what process name does the backend run under?

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gr00ve:

mythbackend

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Ediehow:

it's like flipping display between normal and vertically huge

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jepeltw:

speedsix, I've no problems with playback, but myth's interface is very slow. Note that I've got mySQL running on a 380 mhz k6–2

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netrix:

anyone using an ati card w/ tv out for mythfrontend.

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JohnRobert:

ta

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netrix:

having some odd xv issues when watching live tv.

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Juski:

speedsix: should be well documented I'd have thought

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gr00ve:

rlbond1 – try "alsaconf" as root

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speedsix:

jepeltw, this seems to be a recent thing. I can stream vids to xine over the NFS share but myth playback stutters ever second or so

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speedsix:

got rid of the share to force it to use the myth protocol and it works fine

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benklop:

hello

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imperfect-:

Howdy

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jepeltw:

hiy

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jepeltw:

a

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asfui:

gr00ve:yes, when i come back to alsamixer afetr changed to another channel, video isn't set with the capture flag

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benklop:

does anyone know how progress is going with the SoC projects? i'm really looking forward to a release with that stuff in it

[20:45:27]

Juski:

benklop: slow

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asfui:

gr00ve:at least now i know what's going on :)

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Juski:

not in time for 0.20 for sure I heard

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JohnRobert:

how can I set a password for mythtv backend to try and connect to the database with?

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asfui:

johnRobert:edit the file mysql.txt

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JohnRobert:

ta

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asfui:

johnRobert:it should be in /etc/mythtv/ if i'm right

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Ediehow:

why would mplayer's video be fine, but mythtv's playback looks funky?

[20:46:57]

Juski:

JohnRobert: mythbackend will always try to use a password.. you set the password it has to use with a mysql admin command like it says to in the docs IIRC

[20:46:58]

rlbond1:

hey after i change modprobe.d how do i "commit" the changes?

[20:46:59]

JohnRobert:

yer, I got it thanks

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Juski:

Ediehow: cos umm... you're trying to watch interlaced material (i.e. TV) on a progressive display (i.e. a monitor or vga card's TV out).. so enable deinterlacing

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kormoc:

rlbond1, depends on your distro

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benklop:

Juski: thats too bad.... sounds like some great stuff

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Ediehow:

i thought i had that enabled

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benklop:

so next spring maybe?

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Ediehow:

let me see

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rlbond1:

knoppix

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Juski:

rlbond1: did you even see my question about whether or not you'd tried searching the knoppmyth forums?

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rlbond1:

yea

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Juski:

and?

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rlbond1:

they're not that useful

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Ediehow:

deinterlace playback is set to yes

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rlbond1:

im looking in them right now, but no real results

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Juski:

Ediehow: try changing the method then.. there are a few to work with and some look better than others

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Ediehow:

Juski: it started after i got direct rendering working

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netrix:

quick xv question, is there a way to lock the overlay size? when i watch live tv with xvoverlay enabled the image is expanded to be twice the size of the screen (or so it looks)

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JohnRobert:

ERROR: No channel sources defined in the database << am I right in thinking ERROR: means that the backend has been killed?

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Saviq:

yep

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JohnRobert:

good stuff

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JohnRobert:

:)

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asfui:

i'm such a noob, when run alsamixer after changed a channel i didn't change to the capture tab

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asfui:

so back again at the original problem :(

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Juski:

JohnRobert: no, it means there are no channel sources defined in the database. what else would it mean?

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Saviq:

but the frontend gets killed then, doesn't it?

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JohnRobert:

well, I'm starting the backed

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JohnRobert:

backend

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Saviq:

or no... it was about the "live tv" menu

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JohnRobert:

but it's not starting properly...that's the last message in the log

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Juski:

the backend will just get killed again until you fix the problem

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JohnRobert:

then I do a ps aux | grep -i back and I get nothing

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JohnRobert:

so Saviq was right then?

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Juski:

hmmm... I get an error message about there being no channel sources defined in the database. I wonder what could _possibly_ be wrong :-/

[21:01:42]

JohnRobert:

well I wouldn't have expected it to be a fatal error myself

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Saviq:

mythtv-setup

[21:01:57]

JohnRobert:

I also would have expected the log to be a little less cryptic

[21:02:02]

JohnRobert:

:p

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Ediehow:

Juski: why would it get bad after getting drm working?

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Saviq:

Robert... If I'm correct there's nothing to do with the backend if there's no channel sources

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Juski:

course if it's not able to access the database in the first place, and the rest of the errors are about it not being able to find stuff it expects to see....

[21:02:35]

gr00ve:

Juski – verify db access first, then verify via mythtv-setup that you card's configured properly...

[21:02:50]

Juski:

gr00ve: you got it.

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Saviq:

hmm... just a thought... do I need backend at all if I do not use livetv? just videos and music and such?

[21:03:10]

Juski:

and verify the rest of the setup in mythtv-setup is correct too. no shortcuts. no half-measures

[21:03:15]

Juski:

Saviq: yes

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Saviq:

what for?

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Saviq:

ok I can see :]

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Juski:

Saviq: you need a backend to be able to run mythfrontend

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Saviq:

for frontend to run :]

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Juski:

anyway... http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t= . . . ght=modprobe ... for modprobe guy...

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Juski:

right I'm off to watch a recorded show or two now. have fun

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Saviq:

Please enter your username and password to log in.

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Saviq:

U have fun

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wireddd:

i'm still having serious problems with ivtv, all I get on my myth box is static

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wireddd:

I can't figure out how to set the tuner type

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gr00ve:

wireddd sounds like wrong tuner type or wrong/missing firmware

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gr00ve:

it's documented for your ivtv version at ivtvdriver.org

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stuarta:

later Juski

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wireddd:

yeah i read through all of that

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wireddd:

I have all of the firmware installed and it is getting loaded

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wireddd:

but I still get tuner type not set messages

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gr00ve:

did this card work with ivtv before?

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wireddd:

if I try and do modprobe tuner type=somenumber it just says that it is an invalid argument

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wireddd:

gr00ve, no I am trying to set it up for the first time

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gr00ve:

if not, you may try the latest ivtv driver in your branch. if your tuner card is newer, it may not yet be detected/supported by ivtv until a later driver rev

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gr00ve:

wireddd not sure – i think you said you had 0.6.3 right? i think the newer drivers all autodetect and you don't need to set the tuner= in mod initialization anymore

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Ediehow:

hey Juski i changed it from bob to kernel, and it works now

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Ediehow:

but isn't that more cpu?

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wireddd:

gr00ve, they are supposed to, but they don't seem to be working

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gr00ve:

wireddd – try a newer driver re

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gr00ve:

rev

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gr00ve:

wireddd – i assume you've cold booted each time after 30 seconds of power being off on the backend box?

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gr00ve:

wireddd – nm i see 0.6.3 is the latest rev

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gr00ve:

wireddd – fwiw i'm using:

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wireddd:

i'm going to cold boot one more time, and if that doesn't work, I am going to build it from subversion

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gr00ve:

options ivtv ivtv_std=0 ivtv_debug=1

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gr00ve:

that may help out, i can't recall where i arrived at those options, though...

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word:

gr00ve: hmm...now it works in mplayer..but mythbackend won't work right..

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word:

QServerSocket: failed to bind or listen to the socket

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word:

2006-08–10 14:12:01.544 Failed to bind port 6543. Exiting.

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gr00ve:

word – if you "netstat -an |grep LIST" do you see port 6543 already in there?

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gr00ve:

word – if so, that's indicating the port's already bound... maybe you're not starting as root user?

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asfui:

finaly i got it :)

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rlbond1:

ok i seriously need help with alsamixer. it says it can't find my soundcard. i know it worked once, but now alsamixer won't work

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asfui:

finally*

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gr00ve:

asfui – what was it?

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jepeltw:

if the port's already bound, use ps to ensure you don't have another instance running

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asfui:

i have to install xawtv

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gr00ve:

rlbond1 – ran alsaconf already?

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asfui:

than i use v4lctl to unmute the card

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word:

the ports there but its 0.0.0.0:6543 instead of 127.0.0.1:6543

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word:

gr00ve: ^

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gr00ve:

word – that means it's already been bound – mythbackend may have a prior instance already running, check the ps list

[21:17:29]

gr00ve:

word – 0.0.0.0 just means it's listening on any interface instead of loopback only. shouldn't be a cause for concern

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asfui:

i think, that wasn't mythtv to reset the audio on channel changing, but is the card mute for defautl, that's can explain why i have to re-set the video input as capture

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word:

ok..at start up it said starting mythbackend .. then something about can't write to ./qt

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wireddd:

gr00ve, it still says tuner not set

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gr00ve:

word – check perms in ~/.qt and make sure you have write access

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gr00ve:

wireddd – is that card brand new?

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wireddd:

yes

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gr00ve:

wireddd – maybe it's not correctly identified yet

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rlbond1:

yea, my card shows up, but then when it tries to do everything it says AC'97 not responding or something

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gr00ve:

rlbond1 – the soundcard modules are loaded, right?

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rlbond1:

how can i check?

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gr00ve:

as root: lsmod

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gr00ve:

you should see something like "snd_ac97_codec" in the list

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gr00ve:

among others that start with sound* or snd_*

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wireddd:

gr00ve, how would I go about getting it identified correctly

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gr00ve:

wireddd – with the 0.6.x series, i have no clue...

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rlbond1:

k lemme check

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Saviq:

seems like the new frontend does the cdrom check for itself :D

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rlbond1:

yea it's on the list

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word:

gr00ve: i think my /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend is broken..

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wireddd:

gr00ve, well what about for one of the older branches?

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gr00ve:

word – that could well be, it shouldn't be tough to start it, really

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gr00ve:

wireddd – well, if you go with the 3.x branch, for example( which requries 2.6.15 or lower) you can set the tuner type with a module option like "type=50"

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word:

i did sudo mythbackend and it seems to be fine

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gr00ve:

i don't know that you can still do that anymore, but you could try it

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word:

but i hadto kill the one started in /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend

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gr00ve:

word – you _always_ need to be root or sudo to run mythbackend...

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wireddd:

the syntax for that would be "modprobe tuner type=50" right?

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gr00ve:

word – okay, nevermind

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gr00ve:

wireddd – i think that was it, yeah.

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wireddd:

yeah I tried that, its just give me an error

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gr00ve:

wireddd – do you have multiple tuner.ko modules in you /lib/modules/`uname -r` directory?

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gr00ve:

wireddd – find /lib/modules/`uname -r` -name tuner.ko

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wireddd:

nope, just the one

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SlicerDicer-:

yay my mythbox is good to go for a long time now hehe

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SlicerDicer-:

just replaced the gpu fan on the 4800SE ;-_

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gr00ve:

wireddd you can look at the "lspci -v" output for your tuner card and send it off to the ivtv developers

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gr00ve:

you can also check the ivtv mailing lists...

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gr00ve:

wireddd – i can tell you that 0.4.x on 2.6.15 or less will probably be a little easier to get working...

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imperfect-:

man

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imperfect-:

this is crazy

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imperfect-:

I'm watching a move using realplayer and it's taking 80% of a 400mhz g4

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gr00ve:

realplayer – Buffering...

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imperfect-:

nah

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imperfect-:

it's local

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imperfect-:

rvmb file

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gr00ve:

i'm teasing... i loathe realaudio and realvideo

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gr00ve:

i'd _almost_ rather use quicktime except that apple in their infinite wisdom decided that itunes should be a part of a quicktime video player installation

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gr00ve:

i'm honestly getting pretty sick and tired of all these vendors trying to make their little app take up every friggin resource possible as they try to be everything to everyone... it's frankly a really rude attitude.

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gr00ve:

i've never understood why in the world winamp needs to implement their own webbrowser for example... honestly, that's just ridiculous. a 20meg mp3 player... sheesh.

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gr00ve:

realplayer falls into that category for me – it's not very lightweight, and their codecs are horrible. LOTS of people encode to real format, though, so it's a necessary evil i guess.

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Saviq:

yeah real is plain evil

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scopeuk:

i use the reaalternative codec pack

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Saviq:

quicktime isn't so much better

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scopeuk:

real alternative*

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scopeuk:

and qiucktime alternative

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rlbond1:

so gr00ve, if the sound modules are loading, why does it say ac97 not responding

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gr00ve:

real and quick alternative are the only way to go if you have to

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gr00ve:

rlbond1 i have no idea... something's not right. you said alsamixer's not working? are you sure you have the right card type and modules loaded ? are you running as root?

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rlbond1:

yes i'm root. the modules are loaded. it's onboard

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rlbond1:

it worked at one point

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gr00ve:

well then, i'm not sure, unless something's conflicting... have you googled for that error message?

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rlbond1:

yea... not much unfortunately

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gr00ve:

what's the exact error saying?

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asfui:

i go to sleep, see you tomorrow

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asfui:

and thx for the help

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rlbond1:

well now i get that snd_ctl_open failed message

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gr00ve:

eh

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gr00ve:

when you modprobed the soundcard driver, did you get syslog output in /var/adm/messages or "dmesg" output?

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rlbond1:

i don't know what a modprobe is, or where the drivers are located

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gr00ve:

doesn't matter

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gr00ve:

check /var/log/messages

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rlbond1:

ok

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gr00ve:

and check the output from the dmesg cmd for soundcard related log messages

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gr00ve:

oh – do you have a soundcard /dev entry?

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gr00ve:

you should probably see something like

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rlbond1:

a what?

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gr00ve:

/dev/dsp* /dev/audio* /dev/mixer

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gr00ve:

or /dev/snd/* or similar...

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rlbond1:

hmmm. well i looked in messagesd

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rlbond1:

i found an entry...

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rlbond1:

ac'97 0 analog subsections not ready

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gr00ve:

rlbond1 you'll have to google around a bit more, but i'd imagine you might be missing another module and something's not getting initialized because of it

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rlbond1:

i have dsp, audio, and mixer

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rlbond1:

actually i have several

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rlbond1:

ok well i gotta ask then, how would i copy a file off a flashdrive in linux

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rlbond1:

do i have to mount it or something?

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gr00ve:

hate to sound like a broken record, but it depends on your distro

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gr00ve:

some will automount

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rlbond1:

where would it mount?

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gr00ve:

l think it will probably show up under /mnt/card* or /mnt/cf* or /mnt/* anyway...

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Juski:

re

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gr00ve:

ack: re

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gr00ve:

;)

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stuarta:

foo

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Juski:

time to bork my channel table with my new channel number updater scripty

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word:

gr00ve: umm..i don't have to plug anything into my tv tuner for sound do i? because..i'm not gettin any sound with mythtv

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stuarta:

hehe, i'm breaking mine with the scanner :)

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Juski:

bloody cable box keeps changing numbers

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Juski:

done

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stuarta:

crap!

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stuarta:

deleted my multiplexes rather than reviewed what happened :(

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jepeltw:

word, you may need either a cable into your sound card or the btaudio driver

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gr00ve:

word – probably not... i assume that your sound's working otherwise( like in mplayer )

[21:52:43]

word:

btaudio driver?

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word:

in mplayer i'm not sure..

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Juski:

ooo shit. now livetv doesn't work

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jepeltw:

word, if you have a btXXXX card, it lets you grab the audio directly without a cable

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gr00ve:

word – make sure your regular sound works first...

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gr00ve:

word's got a pvr* so that should be the case

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Juski:

ah.. bet that's cos the last channel it was set to now doesn't exist...

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word:

yah

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jepeltw:

I've got a pvr-150 and it doesn't even need btaudio; sound just works

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word:

i have that but i guess i do need btaudio..

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Juski:

stuarta: quick q:... which table is the last watched channel kept in again?

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stuarta:

cardinput

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Juski:

fixed :-)

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Juski:

cheers!

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stuarta:

that's gotta be horseshit. BBC HD mux broadcasting in qpsk when the rest is QAM16/64????

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word:

so uh..is there a tut on how to install the btaudio driver?

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imperfect-:

If I compile myth on on a machine that im just running the backend on

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imperfect-:

can I forgo all the extra xvmc options and stuff?

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Juski:

stuarta: possible but unlikely I think.. not been watching discussion about it for a while

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gr00ve:

xvmc's used on the frontend only i believe

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imperfect-:

yeah that's what I thought

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stuarta:

Juski: sadly that's what the scanner or my hardware picks up...

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briand:

evenin' all...

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briand:

Mr. Juski ... when you've got a moment, i have a question for ya...

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Juski:

stuarta: nothing on digitalspy about it.. so erm.. something is up I tink :-/

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Juski:

briand: mmmyyyerrrs?

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stuarta:

Juski: yeah, been having trouble getting bbc hd for a while...

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briand:

I followed the link you posted to your mythstreamtv wiki page on the support board... and i'm starting to (try to) set up mythstreamtv here..

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Juski:

briand:.. and?

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Juski:

stuarta: maybe the driver is having issues with autodetection of the mux params

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stuarta:

Juski: pretty much.

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briand:

on that page, you give a link to download ffmpeg-0.4.9-pre1 ... and it links to a page that redirects elsewhere, and when you want to download, you're sent still somewhere else... and, well, there's nothing called 'ffmpeg-0.4.9-pre1' there... or any (easily discernable) way to download just ffmpeg-*

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Juski:

briand: didn't realise those were links

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Juski:

I'll edit it so they're not links

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briand:

yeah, okay.

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briand:

of course, that'll just take me one further step away from finding the file...

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briand:

as a hint, if you start something with "http://" it is probably a link.

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Juski:

briand: you should be able to get ffmpeg as a package from your friendly local repo

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briand:

yeah? hmm.

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Juski:

the version cited isn't exactly new

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briand:

yum install ffmpeg

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briand:

..should do it, then?

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briand:

i realize that.. and, same with vlc (the binaries for fedora were for core 3 — fine, since my myth box is running core 3!)

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Juski:

right .. edited now

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Juski:

FC3? erm.. dunno if you'll be able to get up to date enough packages without breaking other stuff mind

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briand:

yes, i see that. next, my question would be, why would you want to do that? (remove the links)

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wireddd:

so how well does knopmyth work?

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Juski:

because erm... I kind of assume that people know how to find stuff?

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briand:

heh.

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wireddd:

you shouldn't assume

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Juski:

ffmpeg & vlc are hardly the most elusive of software ;)

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Ediehow:

is there any way to get hardware compensation with ati ?

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Juski:

Ediehow: what, like your money back you mean?

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briand:

okay, but why not remove another layer of abstraction, then, and simply change the page to say "install mythstreamtv and all dependencies, and get it working" and leave it at that? ;-)

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Ediehow:

hardware decoding

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Juski:

Ediehow: no, thanks to ATI

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Ediehow:

Juski: remember my problems a while back?

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word:

if /dev/dsp was a mic on my webcam and /dev/dsp1 was my headset mic..could that have messed with the audio source coming from the tv tuner?

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Ediehow:

when all else fails, get a new computer

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Juski:

briand: don't be arsey about this. I can't put direct links to the 'latest' versions because links change from time to time and folks have better things to do than check for broken links every 5 minutes

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Juski:

Ediehow: haha. don't say we didn't tell you so

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briand:

Juski: not trying to be 'arsey' at all. ...just equally pragmatic. :)

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Ediehow:

Juski: but the old computer was NOT that bad

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Juski:

yeh well briand... fair enough.. but the big thing about mythtv right now is that a certain amount of knowledge is assumed. I plan to do my bit to change stuff to make it as easy as I can – hence the push for work in the wiki etc but one step at a time ;)

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Juski:

Ediehow: yeah but it did have pretty bad bus latency issues- or you wouldn't have had the problems you had

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Castr0:

hello I would like to know if it is possible to have mythtv on one of my linux servers and watch the video on another machine on the same lan

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Juski:

Castr0: yes, and it's much easier if the machine you want to watch the video on is running Linux

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briand:

Juski: fair enough. :) and, as always, I'm here to help (no, really!)

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Juski:

briand: there are enough broken links in the wiki already anyway

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Castr0:

it is Juski any documentation available that you know of on going about doing this?

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Juski:

wiki.mythtv.org for starters

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spishax:

If I have a gentoo frontend box, how can I get it to automatically load mythfrontend at boot?

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** spishax is new to linux init scripts **

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Juski:

stuarta: does dvbscan still pick up the right mux info?

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Juski:

spishax: if you're running gnome or kde add mythfrontend to your startup programs in the session manager. if not, add it to .xinitrc or similar... or consult the mythtv wiki for more detailed info

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stuarta:

Juski: dunno... haven't tried it for a while...

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Juski:

stuarta: be worth a go I bet. I never had much joy scanning with 'auto' anything

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Juski:

(FWIW)

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stuarta:

have worked out that the scanner is using the frequency it's tuned to for the mplex info...

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imperfect-:

if i am ust running the backend do i even need to build the plugins?

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Juski:

imperfect-: no.

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spishax:

Juski, im sort of confused, do I need to run a window manager on my fronted?

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kormoc:

spishax, in short, yes

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Juski:

spishax: read the wiki about that. it's in the faq

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spishax:

oh, my bad

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spishax:

cause for instance I can run mplayer without a wm

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spishax:

but ill check the wiki ;)

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Juski:

there's been spate of RTFM'ing lately

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Juski:

spishax: you can run myth without a wm but when myth calls external apps you WILL run into focus problems

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stuarta:

Juski: dvbscan finds it, but it doesn't know the service type so it doesn't print the specs

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Aid`:

anyone here have DVB-S?

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: Anyone take you up on your "offer" to to fly to SF ?:)

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Juski:

stuarta: oops. maybe a newer dvbscan is needed – they'd have updated it by now (one would assume)...

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Juski:

GreyFoxx: I dunno...

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Juski:

funnily enough, NO :-)

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GreyFoxx:

Cause, I offer to go with you if they pay ;)

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Juski:

lol

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GreyFoxx:

I'lleven suffer to ridiculous cavity searches at the airport ;)

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Juski:

always wanted to go back to SF.. might see the place a bit next time. damn work

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GreyFoxx:

I haven't been back in a couple years now,

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GreyFoxx:

I did a ton of travel at my last job

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Juski:

eep.. I need to go to bed. early start tomorrow again. I like leaving early

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GreyFoxx:

somewhere 1 or 2 times a week

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GreyFoxx:

later :)

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Juski:

nn all... good luck with the hd mux stuarta :-)

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stuarta:

later

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GreyFoxx:

Anyone offhand remember what table/value stores the last channel watched in livetv?

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jammyd:

it's stored along with the card

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh

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GreyFoxx:

ok

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GreyFoxx:

makes sense

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jammyd:

phpmyadmin is broken so can't check easily now

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jammyd:

but it's in whatever table specifies the cards

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stuarta:

cardinput

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word:

if /dev/dsp was a mic on my webcam and /dev/dsp1 was my headset mic..could that have messed with the audio source coming from the tv tuner?

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jk1joel:

So I'm reading about XvMC on the wiki, and it says that when using XvMC with nVidia 6xxx and 7xxxx cards, you can only get a greyscale OSD. Is that still true?

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jams:

jk1joel- yes

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GreyFoxx:

There is an experimental ChromaOSD but I think you have to enable it directly in the DB.

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GreyFoxx:

though it might be a regular config option now

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jk1joel:

GreyFoxx: is that the one that only works with the series 4 and 5 cards though? or is it different?

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jams:

GreyFoxx- didn't think its a regular option yet (which is why I didn't mention it)

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GreyFoxx:

I couldn't say as I've never used it

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GreyFoxx:

I don't use xvmc on anything so the OSD hasn't been an issue for me

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GreyFoxx:

plus I use Gray OSD anyway so lots ofcolours aren't really needed

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jams:

jk1joel- its called Chromakey might find more info on the mailing list

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spishax:

Is anyone elses program guide sluggish when you arrow down?

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jams:

not mine

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spishax:

hmm wierd, mine takes like 2 seconds to get to each next listing

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jams:

spishax- did you once have channel icons and now they are missing ?

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spishax:

I never had channel icons

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spishax:

i went from using the analog tuner

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spishax:

to running mythtv --fix_channels

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spishax:

so before it just said Channel0 and now it sais 27 FXP

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spishax:

sry i used mythfilldatabase --fix_chanel_listing

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jams:

check the log files, it might have some info that would help

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spishax:

or something close to that

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spishax:

cool, thanks for the help

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Anduin:

spishax: Is this new behavior?

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spishax:

No, always been slow :(

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spishax:

I think it might be related to this:

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Anduin:

spishax: If your video card is on the low end, you may want to change how that screen is drawn.

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spishax:

when I select record one showing, from the channel guide, it never records it, always saying "This showing will not be recorded because this show does not match the current program listing"

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spishax:

maby that is causing some lag in the guide itself?

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spishax:

hmm im not sure how to change how the screen is drawn

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spishax:

I do have the guide set to lowest CPU shading setting

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Anduin:

spishax: Yeah, that was the setting.

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spishax:

:(

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wireddd:

I get invalid module format when I try and modprobe ivtv ( I just compiled v0.4.6)

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wireddd:

any ideas why?

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spishax:

jams, when I exit mythfrontend I do see massive spam saying cannot find image ".../fx.jpg"

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spishax:

ill definitly look into that

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jams:

spishax those would be the channel icons

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jams:

if you uncheck "display the channel icon" in the program guide settings it might help

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jams:

or add the images, either would help

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spishax:

hmmm, well i did run mythfilldatabase --do_chanel_updates, and I saw it grabbing jpgs from zap2it, but /root/.mythtv/channels/ doesnt even exist, and thats where myth is looking

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spishax:

im scouring my system atm to see where it put the images

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spishax:

wireddd, can you paste your dmesg output and the error message to pastebin

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spishax:

i might be able to help, since i use ivtv as well

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word:

sound from a pvr-150 should go..where?

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kormoc:

word, into the file it spits out to the disk?

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word:

in a perfect world..

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word:

i'm not getting any sound

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kormoc:

you sure your computer is playing it?

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spishax:

what does alsamixer show?

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kormoc:

cause it's part of the mpeg stream

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wireddd:

I built it with the wrong version of gcc

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spishax:

wireddd, so your set?

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wireddd:

yeah with that problem l)

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wireddd:

heh ;)

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word:

alsamixer?

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word:

kormoc: yes spishax: what in alsamixer?

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spishax:

its what I use to controll my sound output levels

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spishax:

and all my channels were muted by default

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spishax:

channels like microphone, stero, etc.

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word:

hm..i'm not familliar with alsamixer..how would i find out which one is the sound from the tv tuner?

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spishax:

like kormoc said, its in the mpeg stream, aiui

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spishax:

can you hear any music from a multimedia app?

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word:

yes

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spishax:

hrmm

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spishax:

ya i didnt have to set anything up special to hear sound for livetv, it just worked :)

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word:

hrm

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word:

do you have a /dev/dsp that makes sound from tv?

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spishax:

sec

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kormoc:

word, not on a pvr 150/250/350/500/m179, no

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word:

oh so..

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word:

what does it mean if i have no sound then?

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imperfect-:

You've gone deaf.

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imperfect-:

Frequently happens to MythTV users.

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imperfect-:

It's the danger of svn.

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word:

i'm using .19 though

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wireddd:

how do I change DefaultTVChannel?

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word:

setup tv settings in mythfrontend

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word:

imperfect-: does it frequently happen to mythtv users using a regular version?

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jams:

word has it ever worked for you?

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jams:

might be using the wrong module for your card.

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word:

no jams i

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word:

just got it and haven't had sound yet

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word:

and if i'm using the wrong module..how do i find / change it to get the right one?

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word:

jams: ^

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prologic:

Q: "DVICO FUSION DUAL DIGITAL TV TUNER CARD" an okay tuner to use ? I remember the DIVICO being fairly okay (friend purchased one I believe)

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