Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, August 9th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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kormoc:

scopeuk, he wants to be able to say, HDTV gets tuner X and SDTV frontends get tunner Y

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kormoc:

scopeuk, but he can't do that

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Led-Hed:

The manufacture only charges $50 more for the Tunner equipped model

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scopeuk:

you could prioritise it so that the sd is used first which if you only have two front ends whould always leave the hd free (short of recordings)

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scopeuk:

Led-Hed so the tuner is $500 seperately then?

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Led-Hed:

I have 4 pvr250's and am thinking of getting a pcHDTV

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scopeuk:

how many front ends you got?

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Led-Hed:

Hope not. If the HDM (Monitor version) is $1949 and the HDTV(Tunner equipped model) is $1999

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Saviq:

then the tuner separately will be like $200

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scopeuk:

so its not jsut me that holds no good will on the manufacturers part

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Led-Hed:

if thats the case I'll return this one, and buy it online from Costco, and get the HDTV model

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Saviq:

;]

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Saviq:

right

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Led-Hed:

What if I put a pcHDTV in the Plasma Frontend. Will it take priority for that local tunner over a tunner in another frontend?

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kormoc:

doubtful

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Led-Hed:

;(

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kormoc:

and it's not gonna be 'in' a frontend

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Beirdo:

WTF is a tunner?

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kormoc:

it'll be in a remote backend

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scopeuk:

Led-Hed you can set tuner priority jsut set the pchdtv to the lowest priority and manualy select it on the plasma

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Led-Hed:

Oh God its Beirdo

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scopeuk:

hey Beirdo hwos it going

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Led-Hed:

scopeuk: thats not a bad idea

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Beirdo:

not too bad between the power failures, cable modem sync losses, etc :)

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scopeuk:

Beirdo welcome to my world

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scopeuk:

when it works it work when it breaks everythign goes

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neddy:

Beirdo: what part of the world do you live in?

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Beirdo:

Caribbean

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Led-Hed:

Canada

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Beirdo:

PR to be exact

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Beirdo:

ex-Canada

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Led-Hed:

you moved?

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

yup, and got married

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Led-Hed:

sweet

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neddy:

PR?

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neddy:

Puerto Rico?

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Beirdo:

Puerto Rico

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Beirdo:

aye

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Led-Hed:

forget the honeymoon, just move there

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neddy:

nice

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Beirdo:

we had the honeymoon here too

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Beirdo:

heh

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Led-Hed:

nice

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Beirdo:

screw paying for flights

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Beirdo:

we are already in paradise

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Led-Hed:

cool, and congrats

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neddy:

do you have a tech job there?

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Beirdo:

no job yet

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neddy:

working for the casinos, maybe?

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** Beirdo grumbles about immigration BS **

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Beirdo:

so gputrans is getting some work

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Beirdo:

heh

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neddy:

I dig

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Led-Hed:

they honey a native?

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Beirdo:

yup

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scopeuk:

Beirdo how is gputrans progressing?

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** Led-Hed has a taste for the latinas also **

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Beirdo:

well, I was trying to debug the code that will pass the raw frames to the processes that access the GPU, but it's misbehaving

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Beirdo:

then the wife came home with dinner, then the power failed :)

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Beirdo:

a wonderful evening

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scopeuk:

yeh sounds like perefect timing

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scopeuk:

evening with your wife with no distractions

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Beirdo:

nah

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Beirdo:

turned the computers back on ;)

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scopeuk:

lol

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Beirdo:

she wanted to play a game on the internet

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scopeuk:

thansk for the food now to desert you infavor of a keyboard adn debuger

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Beirdo:

we SOOOO need UPSes for the servers

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scopeuk:

fair enough

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scopeuk:

puzzle pirates?

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scopeuk:

i need a ups so i dont acientaly spike the rest of the house when i boot my room up

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

she plays it WAY too much, I wish I hadn't introduced her to it...

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Beirdo:

we've both been playing it since last May or so

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scopeuk:

i play a little

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scopeuk:

its jsut awkward with my main box being oflien atm this one is too slow

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Beirdo:

we are on viridian ocean

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scopeuk:

im on cobolt

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Beirdo:

ain't no way we both want to pay for monthly subscriptions

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scopeuk:

i dont subscribe

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Beirdo:

we both have two accounts

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Beirdo:

heh

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scopeuk:

im not hat addicted

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D-side:

what the hell game is this

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Beirdo:

so we each have paid $40US over the last year for dubloons, that's it

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Beirdo:

www.puzzlepirates.com

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scopeuk:

thats not bad

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D-side:

dear god

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Beirdo:

don't blame me if you get addicted

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scopeuk:

and yes D-side it does run on linux

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Beirdo:

it's Java

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scopeuk:

eg will run on a toaster given 1/2 a chance

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Beirdo:

I play on my Linux laptop, she plays on her Winblows laptop

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scopeuk:

i play on my windows desktop

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Beirdo:

I tried on my 400MHz G3, but it is just too damn slow and not enough memory

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scopeuk:

dont have any resonable performance hardware to test as linux desktop

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scopeuk:

might try on the otehr 1/2 of my dual boot once i gget my system backup

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D-side:

speaking of 400mhz g3s, i gave up on that asinine frontend idea. :)

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scopeuk:

nothign wrogn witha 400mhz front end

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scopeuk:

and a mac 400 should be faster than my 433 celeron

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scopeuk:

althoguh it may have less ram

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D-side:

probably not, but my usage would have been stupid

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Beirdo:

so I think I'll go back to debugging why the f#$@ it only will send one frame before sitting on a pole spinning

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D-side:

oh. then.

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D-side:

good luck with that.

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scopeuk:

you tried kicking it yet?

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Led-Hed:

is there a way to group games in MythGame alphabetically

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scopeuk:

i find it make me feal better if nothign else

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Beirdo:

might help if I restart X on the machine after the power failure

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Beirdo:

freeglut (client): failed to open display ':0.0'

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Beirdo:

freeglut (client): failed to open display ':0.1'

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Beirdo:

freeglut (client): failed to open display ':0.2'

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Beirdo:

freeglut (client): failed to open display ':0.3'

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Beirdo:

freeglut (client): failed to open display ':0.4'

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Beirdo:

heh

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gardengnome:

use pastebin.ca *runs*

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scopeuk:

dont oyu have some stupid number of gfx cards in there?

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Led-Hed:

or pastebin.ledhed.net ;)

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Beirdo:

I meant to only paste the first 2 lines

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GreyFoxx:

Led-Hed: They are already displayed in alphabetical order

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Beirdo:

yeah, 5 cards

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Led-Hed:

GreyFoxx: I mean group them that way

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GreyFoxx:

or did you want to hashthem in subdirectories. a/ b/ c/ a/a/ etc

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scopeuk:

mkdir a

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scopeuk:

mv a* a

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

That wouldn't work :)

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scopeuk:

fair enough

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GreyFoxx:

IT doesn't browsethe filesystem:)

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scopeuk:

fair enough

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scopeuk:

iv ecleaned up one of my storage folders today

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Led-Hed:

I have 7000 games. so it takes a long time to get to a game that starts with S

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scopeuk:

took alot of that

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GreyFoxx:

Led-Hed: I've thought about adding that, just never gotten around to it

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GreyFoxx:

Led-Hed: you can jump to characters I believe

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GreyFoxx:

gimme a sec

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Led-Hed:

k

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Led-Hed:

I dont have a keyboard

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D-side:

what the hell kind of games could you have 7k of?

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Led-Hed:

at least not on each frontend

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Led-Hed:

D-side: mame + NSES + NES + Atart

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GreyFoxx:

Led-Hed: If I remember later tonight or tomorrow I'll look at adding in the hashing of the names in the tree

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Led-Hed:

some coleco, Gensis too

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GreyFoxx:

I've had others ask about it too

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Led-Hed:

sweet, Thanks GreyFoxx

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D-side:

Led-Hed: jeez.

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D-side:

and i thought I was bad for ds games.

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Led-Hed:

Mame rox

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GreyFoxx:

Only 7k?

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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Led-Hed:

;)

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Led-Hed:

I've got a Mame Cabinet in the works

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Led-Hed:

GreyFoxx: are you the dev of MythGame?

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xris:

I don't think mythgame has "a dev"

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Led-Hed:

oh. ledhed doesnt know these things. ;)

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Led-Hed:

though I should, I've been around here long enough

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Led-Hed:

Now Costco tells me that they dont cary the Tunner Equiped model in stores. So now I have to pay for shipping.

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Led-Hed:

is ther a dual tunner pcHDTV card?

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Led-Hed:

that works with mythtv?

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GreyFoxx:

Led-Hed: Pretty much yes

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Led-Hed:

manufacture?

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GreyFoxx:

I'

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GreyFoxx:

m referring tothe mythgame stuff :)

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Led-Hed:

oh

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Led-Hed:

thats cool. I wish I could code.

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Led-Hed:

I've been trying to create an accounting app for work for months now and still dont have a clue. :)

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Aid`:

i can code but not in the correctlanguage

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Aid`:

Led-Hed: what do you need exactly?

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TrickFinlay2:

ill be taking Java next year,and it will be my 1st time coding

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Led-Hed:

Aid`: regarding what??

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Aid`:

accounting app

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Led-Hed:

I need money

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Led-Hed:

ohh

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Aid`:

TrickFinlay2: are you in HS?

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TrickFinlay2:

soon to be in college

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Aid`:

oh :)

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Led-Hed:

Aid`: I'm using VB.net and MySQL

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TrickFinlay2:

Aid` ow about yourself

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Aid`:

i took java my sophmore year

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Led-Hed:

though I may switch to C#

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TrickFinlay2:

of colleg?

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Aid`:

its a good language...

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Aid`:

im going to be a senior in highschool next year

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TrickFinlay2:

oh cool,what schools/major are you looking at

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Aid`:

Led-Hed: ah Visual Studio . net stinks, IMO

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tkooda:

C# is shit. learn python, C, and C++.

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TrickFinlay2:

assembly is where its at :p

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Led-Hed:

its the only thing I know. And very little of that anymore. I took a VB6 class in college

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Aid`:

hehe vb6 i programmed thatwhen i was 11–15

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Aid`:

i havent touched it for years

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Led-Hed:

vb.net makes it easy to build GUI's

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Aid`:

vb6 does too

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TrickFinlay2:

ill be majoring in comp networking,sec., and sys admin at RIT

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Led-Hed:

agreed. but the MySQL Connector/NET was for VB.NET so I decided to use it

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Led-Hed:

I hate MS SQL, So I'm using MySQL

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stack_:

My MythTV seems to be in 1:1 mode, not 4:3... I've changed the ratios all throughout the system and nothing seems to help... any ideas... it's a PVR-350

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Led-Hed:

isnt there an aspect ratio button? "W" maybe

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stack_:

Led-Hed: switching just blows the image around... off and 4:3 are the same though

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Led-Hed:

not sure what to tell you. Never seen TV in 1:1 though that isnt too far off of 4:3

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Led-Hed:

;)

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stack_:

Led-Hed: it just runs the TV with black bars on the side... if I go into the guide, it fills the screen

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stack_:

Led-Hed: just TV is messed up

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gardengnome:

maybe you need to set the proper aspect ratio in your recording profile

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Led-Hed:

did you mess with the settings? There is an option to overscan underscan, and X/Y position

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gardengnome:

just a wild guess...

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Led-Hed:

when you play the video outside of Myth is it the same Aspect?

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stack_:

Led-Hed: im about to try it

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a1fa|64:

wooohoo

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a1fa|64:

i was finally able to load dma

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a1fa|64:

Timing buffered disk reads: 170 MB in 3.03 seconds = 56.03 MB/sec

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a1fa|64:

4mb initrd image tho

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Beirdo:

f'argh

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Beirdo:

somehow my logging is messing up

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** Beirdo needs to slap his code silly **

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stack_:

my ivtv driver is stuck in 1:1 ratio... anyone else experience this. It's a PVR-350 with ivtv 0.7.0 and kernel 2.6.17

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a1fa|64:

bout to do a scp test

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medwards:

alrighty... figure out why mythweb died then time to contribute to the wiki.

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a1fa|64:

16.2MB/s

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a1fa|64:

gay

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a1fa|64:

still slow

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a1fa|64:

700mb in 15s

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Beirdo:

that's decent

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Beirdo:

you are encrypting and decrypting that

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Beirdo:

try telling scp to use blowfish

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Beirdo:

scp -c blowfish ...

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a1fa|64:

Beirdo: know anything about udev?

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Beirdo:

not much

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GreyFoxx:

OR just use ftp

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Beirdo:

yeah, or use ftp ;)

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GreyFoxx:

scp has a lot of overhead

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a1fa|64:

20.4MB/s

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Beirdo:

scp can be good depending on what you transfer

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Beirdo:

if it's compressible, do -C as well

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Beirdo:

but that will require more CPU

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Beirdo:

heh

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kormoc:

a1fa|64, google knows a lot about udev

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a1fa|64:

i am very happy with 20s

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jams:

heh scp and lots of small files do not mix

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a1fa|64:

kormoc: it wont load ivtv firmware

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a1fa|64:

and also my nvidia is not working now

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a1fa|64:

i can startx

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GreyFoxx:

jams: hehe same with ftp,but if you use ssh+tar it's not too bad

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Beirdo:

or tar then scp

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Beirdo:

:)

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radi0head:

I have a small problem, I've made this small script to start mythbackend as user at bootup: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/npOrkg49.html But When I use it, mythtv has no sound. When I start mythbackend _directly_ as user instead of using this script, I have sound and everything is perfect, any clues?

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jams:

yes I tar then scp

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radi0head:

hey Beirdo, How's it going?

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GreyFoxx:

ssh user@host "cd /dir ; tar -cvf – . " | tar -xvf -

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Beirdo:

fine fine fine

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kormoc:

I know, pipe the files into tar, then into bzip2 -9 and then into gzip -9 and then into ssh -c!

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Beirdo:

I'm getting pissed at my code though

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Beirdo:

the logging output somehow is getting messed up

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specialKevin:

hey all

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specialKevin:

I am unable to change channels inside mythfronted

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specialKevin:

s/mythfronted/mythfrontend

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radi0head:

specialKevin; Did you disable oss at compile time?

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radi0head:

specialKevin; You need to make sure oss is enabled at compile time.

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radi0head:

specialKevin; I had the same problem.

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specialKevin:

how do I do that

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radi0head:

I disabled oss at compile time, (btw I use alsa) and channels wouldn't change for some reason.

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radi0head:

specialKevin; How did you install it?

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specialKevin:

gentoo portage

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radi0head:

Ah, I don't use gentoo sorry.

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radi0head:

I wish I could help/.

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specialKevin:

b/c I didnt see an OSS use flag

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radi0head:

Check how to enabled/disable flags at compile time.

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a1fa|64:

hey guys.. i dont have a mouse attached to the screen, should i just disable core pointer?

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radi0head:

no, the ./configure flag.

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a1fa|64:

anyone?

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radi0head:

specialKevin; The weird thing is that it sould be enabled by default if you didn't use the --disable-audio-oss flag at ./configure time.

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** Beirdo bitch-slaps gcc for optimizing out his code incorrectly **

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a1fa|64:

Anybody know how to start xorg with psuedo mouse

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radi0head:

Beirdo; hehe, are you sure it's not a pebkac?

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radi0head:

Beirdo; :)

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Beirdo:

yes, I'm sure

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Beirdo:

I use a variable once (pass by value), then use it in a printf, and it changed between

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Beirdo:

and nothing else can access that variable between

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radi0head:

PROBLEM SOLVED!

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radi0head:

I didn't add my user to /etc/group's audio group

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radi0head:

w00t

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Beirdo:

haven't seen THAT shit behavior in a long time

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a1fa|64:

Beirdo: are you running a mouse with your xorg

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Beirdo:

uhhh, yeah

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radi0head:

rofl

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BlackBsd:

im having a small error with the backend, it wont connect to mysql,

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BlackBsd:

and everything is running on 127.0.0.1

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BlackBsd:

the mysql server is running.

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Anduin:

BlackBsd: use a paste site, paste exact error messages

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evilDagmar:

The mysql server doesn't need network sockets when the backend is on the same machine as the db

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evilDagmar:

*Are* both of those pieces on the same machine?

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radi0head:

evilDagmar; True, but if you remote to the backend using the frontend on the same network, you need it.,

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evilDagmar:

radi0head: Yadda yadda yadda

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radi0head:

evilDagmar; Oops, I thought you asked a question hehe.

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evilDagmar:

I just wanna know what BlackBsd's topology/configuration is

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evilDagmar:

I'm thinking it's going to be what's been the 35% case for this complaint so far

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evilDagmar:

QT without mysql support, but we'll see

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radi0head:

Yeah, the best thing would be for him to paste the exact error + the exact cmd he used to configure mysql.

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BlackBsd:

http://pastebin.ca/123006

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evilDagmar:

The runner up is "I got paranoid and put passwords on my sql accounts but didn't tell Myth about them"

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radi0head:

ASSERT: "i <= nodes" in /usr/qt/3/include/qvaluelist.h (373) looks weird

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BlackBsd:

mythfrontend will start up

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BlackBsd:

but i cant watch tv

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evilDagmar:

BlackBsd: Dude, that's from the frontend. Did you bother to *start* the backend?

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radi0head:

Never seen that.

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radi0head:

lol

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BlackBsd:

the backend is running

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radi0head:

BlackBsd; Paste the backend's log.

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BlackBsd:

wheres the log file?

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evilDagmar:

BlackBsd: Are you using fwbuilder or have possibly otherwise firewalled the lo interface?

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radi0head:

BlackBsd; Start by pasting the output of mythbackend.

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evilDagmar:

BlackBsd: unless you went out of your way to move the backend to some other port, there's very few ways this particular malfunction can happen

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evilDagmar:

...unless the backend just isn't running

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evilDagmar:

...and until you can `ps -ef | grep mythbackend` and see that it's running, I wouldn't assume that it's running just because you ran a script

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a1fa|64:

well.. all is handy dandy, except i dont have sound

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evilDagmar:

The next troubleshooting step is to run `netstat -tunap | grep myth`

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BlackBsd:

http://pastebin.ca/123011

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radi0head:

BlackBsd; The backend can be running properly, but your mysql configuration can be wrong thus your frontend not being able to connect to the backend.

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Anduin:

BlackBsd: Message seems pretty easy to interpret.

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BlackBsd:

yes, but i have ran myth-setup

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Anduin:

BlackBsd: On that machine?

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radi0head:

BlackBsd; It's mythtv-setup btw.

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BlackBsd:

i have left the values at 127.0.0.1

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BlackBsd:

sorry.

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Anduin:

BlackBsd: Give the topology Dagmar wanted.

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evilDagmar:

You definitely need to run mythtv-setup

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tate:

Hey, I am having a serious problem with Dapper Drake, I can't run any of the admin tools vcause it "can't copy my .Xauthority file"?

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BlackBsd:

ok its running now.

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tate:

I looked at it and it's got permissions to be read

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BlackBsd:

under general-> i will leave everything like it is...

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evilDagmar:

Anduin: At this point I'd say it's a safe bet they're all running on the same machine

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evilDagmar:

If that's not the case he's hopefully have mentioned it by now

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evilDagmar:

s/he's/he'd/

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medwards:

bah

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evilDagmar:

I don't know how many more hints I can drop about this

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BlackBsd:

do i have to give a startup command?

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evilDagmar:

BlackBsd: Is the backend, the frontend, and the database all running on the same machine?

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a1fa|64:

fucking udev

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BlackBsd:

evilDagmar, yes

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evilDagmar:

Okay.

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a1fa|64:

what is the soundcard binded in udev?

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evilDagmar:

It's bound in the pcimap, or should be anyway

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BlackBsd:

i am able to scan for chanells

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Aid`:

is it really worth getting a satellite HD tuner.. i mean the HD signal comes in the computer no matter what card you got

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medwards:

OK so mod_env is builtin to apache, is it automatically loaded theN?

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evilDagmar:

BlackBsd: If that last pastebin is coming out of mythbackend, then you need to run mythtv-setup as the userid that you're planning on running the backend as

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evilDagmar:

It's not going to start while it's giving that error

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evilDagmar:

medwards: not unless you mention it in the config (Apache 2.x)

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evilDagmar:

It should be mentioned "enough" in the default config template tho

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medwards:

what's the proper syntax, AddModule mod_env.c didn't work.

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a1fa|64:

i cant get audio to work :(

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a1fa|64:

well, the driver is loaded, but no /dev/dsp

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BlackBsd:

i tried to stop mythbackend and it claimed there was no such process..

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evilDagmar:

BlackBsd: That's because it's not running

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evilDagmar:

...and it will continue to not run.

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evilDagmar:

did you even read the pastebin you posted?

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BlackBsd:

yes

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evilDagmar:

BlackBsd: So did you do what it said?

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evilDagmar:

>..with the same userid as the backend is being started as?

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a1fa|64:

wtffffffffffff

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evilDagmar:

Actually, grepping some stuff...

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evilDagmar:

BlackBsd: Did http://pastebin.ca/123011 come from the frontend or the backend?

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BlackBsd:

the ip address is already set to 127.0.0.1

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evilDagmar:

Don't care.

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evilDagmar:

BlackBsd: Did http://pastebin.ca/123011 come from the frontend or the backend?

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BlackBsd:

fromt he backend

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evilDagmar:

Did you run mythtv-setup as the userid that you are trying to start the backend as?

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evilDagmar:

OKay, apparently I used some complex words there.

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BlackBsd:

the backend starts as root. and i ran the mythtv-setup as root

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jepeltw:

hello all, is it a known issue that mythmusic is slow and its interface tends to freeze?

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BlackBsd:

well the backend never seems to start.

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BlackBsd:

i guess

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evilDagmar:

It's never GOING to start while it's giving that fatal error

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mertfloof:

Has anyone run an upgrade to FC5?

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evilDagmar:

bleh. rebooting my devel box over to the myth filesystem

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BlackBsd:

what would i change in the first dialog page, if not the ip address.

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evilDagmar:

BlackBsd: mythtv-setup should have created a file in the root user's homedir, the purpose of which will be very obvious... IF you were actually, fully root when you did it

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evilDagmar:

You don't change *anything at all* in the first page if you're running all three parts on the same machine.

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medwards:

evilDagmar: For reference, I find leaving the loopback IP doesn't work.

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a1fa|64:

wow

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a1fa|64:

finally

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a1fa|64:

i was finally able to recover

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BlackBsd:

now im trying to run mythtv-setup from my user acount

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evilDagmar:

Bleh. This thing is still in null configuration

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evilDagmar:

Just a minute while I have my machine download and install my own bloody packages

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evilDagmar:

Hm... looks like the dependency resolution code is working still

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evilDagmar:

Considering I wrote it while I was little tipsy I had a brief moment of panic there

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medwards:

K I'ms till getting this error from MythWeb:

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medwards:

The database environment variables are not correctly set in the

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medwards:

included .htaccess file. Please read through the comments included

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medwards:

in the file and set up the db_* environment variables correctly.

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medwards:

I've editted the .htaccess file

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evilDagmar:

medwards: You just missed xris, too

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medwards:

oh for ...

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medwards:

I've been fighting this since Sunday.

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BlackBsd:

i have tried to run it as a normal user with no luck.

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BlackBsd:

the connection is timing out

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BlackBsd:

i have the proper ip addresses

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evilDagmar:

BlackBsd: Okay... Look in /root/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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BlackBsd:

ok.

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BlackBsd:

should i change if from mythtv to root.

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evilDagmar:

If you really and truly didn't set something wrong in mythtv-setup, you should have http://pastebin.ca/123033

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evilDagmar:

No.

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** a1fa|64 finally got all his shit back to normal **

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evilDagmar:

It makes this file in the home directory of the userid who ran mythtv-setup

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evilDagmar:

I have said this several times. If you're running the backend as root, then you need to run mythtv-setup as root

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evilDagmar:

You NEED this file where the frontend and the backend can see it, actually

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evilDagmar:

It tells them where the database server is

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BlackBsd:

i have thoes file in both my root dir and my user dir

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BlackBsd:

and they are teh same as yours

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evilDagmar:

Okay, did you bother to start the database server?

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BlackBsd:

yes mysqld is running

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evilDagmar:

Now that I'm looking at the thing myself I'm starting to see where this went awry

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evilDagmar:

Did you *import the mc.sql file* to create the basic tables for mythtv *first* like the documentation said to?

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BlackBsd:

yes i imported the mc.sql file

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BlackBsd:

i actually did it a few times

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evilDagmar:

Did you do this before or after you ran mythtv-setup?

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evilDagmar:

Which version of MySQL do you have installed?

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BlackBsd:

mysql Ver 14.7 Distrib 4.1.20, for pc-linux-gnu (i686) using readline 5.

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evilDagmar:

Hmm...

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BlackBsd:

do i not have permissions to access the database

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BlackBsd:

do i need to do this as the mythtv user

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evilDagmar:

No

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evilDagmar:

Something's bone

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evilDagmar:

d

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BlackBsd:

i dont know is mysql is setup to listen on the correct port..

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BlackBsd:

i just emerged it and started it.

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evilDagmar:

Did you get any errors at all when you ran `mysql < /usr/share/database/mc.sql`

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BlackBsd:

then set the root password and ran the mc.sql script

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evilDagmar:

Ot

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evilDagmar:

It shouldnt' even need a port

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BlackBsd:

i did not get any errors.

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evilDagmar:

It *should* be doing it's work over socket files

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evilDagmar:

You say "set the root password"... Are you talking about the root password for the system or for the mysql database?

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BlackBsd:

the mysql database

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evilDagmar:

RUn mythtv-setup again, and this time do it like this...

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BlackBsd:

i ran mysqladmin and set the password

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BlackBsd:

ok

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evilDagmar:

`mythtv-setup 2>&1 | tee logfile.txt`

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BlackBsd:

as my normal user?

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evilDagmar:

Pastebin logfile.txt and just *hope* it's saying something about why it can't write to the db

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evilDagmar:

I'm not even going to answer that a fourth time

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evilDagmar:

mythtv-setup *should* be putting the BackendServerIP setting into the database

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evilDagmar:

That it's apparently *not* doing that represents a problem.

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BlackBsd:

Ambiguous output redirect.

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evilDagmar:

All the interaction with the database is done with teh "myythtv" database user, using the password "mythtv". If you changed the password for the mythtv database user and didn't mention this to mythtv-setup, that's your problem.

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evilDagmar:

Dude, type it again without the backticks.

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evilDagmar:

I pasted that line from MY terminal where I just ran the command

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BlackBsd:

i did not use backticks

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pridkett:

is there an easy way to make mythtv run two transcode/commercial cutting jobs at the same time? I've got a dual core CPU, so running in parallel would be helpful.

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BlackBsd:

it works in bash..

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evilDagmar:

I don't want to know what shell you were using if it wasn't bash

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bmk789:

pridkett: i think i read something about that being done in SoC

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BlackBsd:

http://pastebin.ca/123059

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evilDagmar:

Line 6: ASSERT: "i <= nodes" in /usr/qt/3/include/qvaluelist.h (373)

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evilDagmar:

I blame Qt.

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pridkett:

bmk789: I saw that, having each core work on part of the file. I just want to run multiple instances of it. When I record lots of HDTV, my system get's backlogged in commercial flagging.

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BlackBsd:

is it because of my desktop size?

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evilDagmar:

Nope

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evilDagmar:

I'd say your Qt is broken

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BlackBsd:

it claimes it connected to localhost

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evilDagmar:

LIke it matters but this is me running those commands and what I get as output http://blairhouse.homeip.net/~dagmar/Screenshot.png

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evilDagmar:

Yeah, and Qt belched up a weird error which means it may or may not be writing the correct stuff to the database

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Beirdo:

bed

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BlackBsd:

but the error to the database is a connection timeout

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evilDagmar:

*Where* have you seen a connection timeout?

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BlackBsd:

also evilDagmar, i dont get the assert if i dont set the geomatry when i call mythtv-setup

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BlackBsd:

i did a mythtv-setup --geometry 800x600 2>&1 | tee logfile.txt

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BlackBsd:

the time out was im my first pastbin post.

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evilDagmar:

*Where* have you seen a connection timeout?

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BlackBsd:

when i try to run mythfrontend

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evilDagmar:

And since the backend isn't running why does this suprise you?

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evilDagmar:

The frontend will NOT work without the backend

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evilDagmar:

Until the backend AND the database server are running, there is no point in even trying to start the frontedn

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medwards:

is xris back yet? :(

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bmk789:

wow, 0.20 looks awesome

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BlackBsd:

i agree, do i have to manually start the backend?

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bmk789:

is there a date set for release?

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jams:

no

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medwards:

bmk789: Are you on Ubuntu?

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bmk789:

stable i mean

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bmk789:

ok

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BlackBsd:

because i have andded it to my startup scripts

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bmk789:

medwards: yes

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BlackBsd:

but nothings actually running

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medwards:

You can have ELITE FADING SCREENS TODAY. If you're willing to test my 0.20 packages.

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evilDagmar:

BlackBsd: Yes, but apparently you can't according to the pastebin output where it said it couldn't find teh BackendServerIP setting (http://pastebin.ca/123011)

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tate:

Hey, I am having a serious problem with Dapper Drake, I can't run any of the admin tools vcause it "can't copy my .Xauthority file"?

[03:03:23]

medwards:

I applied it to a box that already had 0.18 installed without too much trouble

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tate:

I looked at it and it's got permissions to be read

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medwards:

had to add romdb for MythGame+Mame, but otherwise no hitches.

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medwards:

oh, i386 only.

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evilDagmar:

BlackBsd: Go find the person who made you packages and beat them with a stick until they make them work properly.

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evilDagmar:

s/you/your/;

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BlackBsd:

now mythbackend.log has something else init.

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evilDagmar:

My slackware packages are downright half-assed by my usual standards, but at least they work on the first attempt

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tate:

mythtv problem? I've got a mythtv installation going

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medwards:

bmk789: lmk in a PM, gotta clean up my packaging process so I can script it.

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tate:

does anyone know anything about the .Xauthority file?

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evilDagmar:

tate: In general the .Xauthority file shouldn't need to be copied.

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evilDagmar:

It's exactly what it looks like. Authentication data for connecting to the X server

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tate:

I haven't touched the thing but Ubuntu tells me it can't copy it when I attempt to open an administrative tool

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evilDagmar:

tate: ...and this has what to do with MythTV?

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evilDagmar:

Ubuntu devs need more grief.

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tate:

sorry, it makes mythtv stop working properly it seems

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tate:

suddenly mythfilldatabase can only be run by root

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tate:

I can't see my recordings

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medwards:

:/

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tate:

in mythfrontend that is

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evilDagmar:

If they've coded something that actually copies the .Xauthority file, they need a good slapping around.

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medwards:

that doesn't sound promising

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medwards:

<-- is on Ubuntu

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BlackBsd:

evilDagmar, its working...

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medwards:

evilDagmar: it's probably gtkSudo, stop ragging on them.

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BlackBsd:

i have no idea what i did.

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evilDagmar:

medwards: Git 'im!

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BlackBsd:

well video is working...

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medwards:

dude, my install was a dream. Setting up MythTV was the bitch :P

[03:10:13]

evilDagmar:

medwards: Seriously. .Xauthority really should never need to be copied.

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medwards:

well blame GNOME not Ubuntu right?

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BlackBsd:

evilDagmar, anyways thanks for the assistance.

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evilDagmar:

Gnome didn't do it

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evilDagmar:

Of this I can be 100% certain.

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BlackBsd:

any pointers on how to get audio working correctly?

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medwards:

plus, no offence to the reporter, the actual nature of the error might not be what you gleaned from what he said.

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evilDagmar:

medwards: Hey man, if it's an ubuntu thing that's broken, it's ubuntu people/devs who should be looking into it

[03:11:43]

evilDagmar:

The more issues they have to look into, the more likely they are to have incentive to make things less easily breakable.

[03:12:01]

evilDagmar:

I can only break my own stuff so many ways.

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evilDagmar:

I look to the users to find new and interesting ways for me to put a stop to.

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evilDagmar:

;)

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medwards:

oh yeah, report it to Ubuntu, and they'll fix it in the distro or push it upstream right?

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medwards:

I need a graphical diff tool...

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evilDagmar:

medwards: That's the general idea, yeah.

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medwards:

I wish TortoiseSVN worked in Nautilus.

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evilDagmar:

BlackBsd: Nothing beyond the usual steps of getting ALSA correctly setup.

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radi0head:

Another slackware user ;)

[03:13:39]

evilDagmar:

The way MythTV uses audio is very very boring and normal.

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BlackBsd:

im getting alot of 2006-08–08 23:15:57.530 NVP::AddAudioData():p1: Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost!

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** radi0head highfives evilDagmar **

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BlackBsd:

im supposed to be using my audigy

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evilDagmar:

Maybe turn on aggressive audio buffering in the setup menus inside the frontend, but that's a guee

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evilDagmar:

s/guee/guess/

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BlackBsd:

i am able to listen to other media players.

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BlackBsd:

i am not getting sound..

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benlake:

I have one tuner that is currently recording, what do I do to watch what it? The currenly recording program and the programs I had scheduled to record earlier are not showing up in Watch Recordings

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Anduin:

benlake: Hit m

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benlake:

on what screen?

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Anduin:

benlake: The one where it should be listed...

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benlake:

Watch Recordings?

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Anduin:

benlake: Yes, that one.

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benlake:

uh, weird.. I just went there and all the recordings popped up

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benlake:

ie. the program I recored this morning just now showed up. hmm.

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benlake:

Anduin: was M to bring up the "Change Group Filter", etc. menu?

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Anduin:

benlake: Yes.

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BlackBsd:

im getting an error ALSA lib control.c:816:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL /dev/sound/mixer and no sound.

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BlackBsd:

i do have this file

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benlake:

Anduin: aw. I must have had it filtered

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Anduin:

benlake: It is a very common problem.

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benlake:

mistake :)

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benlake:

Anduin: thanks! g'day

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medwards:

Can someone take a look at http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Building_DEB . . . g_.deb_files and make sure I'm not doing something totally fucked up?

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BenB:

can anybdoy think of a reason why none of the recordings for my new card (with CI) in my new slave backend are bein scheduled?

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medwards:

svn up: holy internationalization batman.

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BlackBsd:

i have alsa set up to where i can play sounds and such with media players, but mythtv does not have sound.

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BlackBsd:

i have set the audio devices to "ALSA:default" and "default" for the mixer

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BlackBsd:

but nothing seems to help

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BlackBsd:

any ideas?

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BenB:

strange. my scheduling problem fixed itself. I restarted the backend before, but no change. I restarted it again with -v schedule and it works.

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a1fa|64:

/dev/hda9 70G 24G 43G 36% /home

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a1fa|64:

finally ;)

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a1fa|64:

34g free

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a1fa|64:

/dev/hdb1 40G 13G 25G 34% /mnt

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a1fa|64:

my next hard-drives (christmass time) will be 2x500GB

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jepeltw:

does mythtv refuse to create new recordings while mythfilldatabase is running?

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linagee:

a1fa|64: 2x500GB?

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tkooda:

a1fa|64, check this out: http://pastebin.ca/123333 (~2.5TB in this box. :) )

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secleinteer:

hey does any1 know if mythtv will work with the sony "giga pocket" tv tuners?

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xris:

secleinteer: if they work in linux, there's a good chance they'll work with mythtv

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secleinteer:

how do i know if it works in linux without something like mythtv to test it out?

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oomph:

anyone know of good mythtv media extender to use?

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oomph:

anyone awake?

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oomph:

sup gumby

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adante:

oomph: i'm not sure what you mean? as in, what sort of hardware?

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oomph:

yeah something similiar to what sagetv sells

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oomph:

http://store.sagetv.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv . . . Code=STVCMVP

[07:57:04]

oomph:

but for mythtv

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oomph:

also, do you know if myth tv supports this card? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815116618R

[07:58:45]

oomph:

supposed to work with digital cable and satelite tv

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oomph:

would that eliminate the need for an irblaster?

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tjcarter:

Attn makers of Eureka: YOU FAIL!

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mchou:

oomph: that's not made by sage

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tjcarter:

next week, stereotypical "use 100% of your brain" bullshit.

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mchou:

oomph: that's made by hauppauge. it's only netboot sage sw

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oomph:

ahh

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oomph:

the extenders are made by hauppage?

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mchou:

oomph: hauppaugeHW works with myth.

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mchou:

but not all functions

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tjcarter:

yeah, like channels 54, 55, 56.

[08:01:54]

tjcarter:

=p

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mchou:

tjcarter: Eureka as in the vacuum cleaners?

[08:02:13]

tjcarter:

mchou: as in SciFi channel series

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mchou:

tjcarter: ok, whatever

[08:02:30]

tjcarter:

about a town full of nerds who invent crazy shit

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tjcarter:

Up to this point it looked like it could be pretty cool, but no show survives a lame "he can use 100% of his brain now!" episode

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mchou:

oomph: an there is no way the hauppauge box is powerful enough to decode even 720p, never mind 1080i

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mchou:

oomph: s/^an/^and

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tjcarter:

what's the CPU on it?

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mchou:

tjcarter: I forget. I think it's IBM

[08:05:36]

tjcarter:

PowerPC thing? Heh, yeah, it's not gonna be enough for 720p

[08:05:57]

mchou:

tjcarter: no, not poerpc

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mchou:

powerpc

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mchou:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hauppauge_MediaMVP

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mchou:

ok, maybe it is a PowerPC :)

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tjcarter:

The MediaMVP uses the IBM STB02500, a PowerPC 405 CPU integrated with functionality especially suited for use in set-top boxes.

[08:07:41]

tjcarter:

yeah =)

[08:07:53]

oomph:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815116617

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oomph:

so mythtv supporst the mediamvp?

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mchou:

oomph: no, not officially

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mchou:

oomph: http://mvpmc.sourceforge.net/idx.php?pg=main

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oomph:

hrmm interesting

[08:12:09]

oomph:

so hack the thing to support myth tv

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Saviq:

hi there everyone

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tjcarter:

Ooh, the H1 and later use a MAX232A..

[08:16:03]

Saviq:

did any of You got hold of utf chars in movie metadata?

[08:16:06]

tjcarter:

Damn, I may HAVE a few of those laying around.

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oomph:

http://gagravarr.org/computing/hauppauge-media-mvp.shtml

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radi0head:

Hey guys. WHat would you consider the "best" hardware encoder with a remote to work with mythtv? I presently have a ati tv wonder borrowed from a friend, and it works good but it's not a hardware encoder plus it doesn't have a remote.

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radi0head:

I want to buy "the-best-of-the-best" :D

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mchou:

radi0head: then dont even bother w/ encoding at all

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Merlin83b:

A lot of people recommend Hauppauge PVR series cards

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mchou:

radi0head: just use DVB or ATSC or firewire

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mchou:

already npeg2

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radi0head:

Hey Juski. http://pastebin.ca/123439 Can I have your opinion on this?

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mchou:

mpeg2*

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Juski:

well software encoding _certainly_ sucks

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Juski:

morning btw

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radi0head:

Merlin83b; mchou; thanks for your answers.

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radi0head:

I'm stuck with this VT Wonder for now :(

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radi0head:

s/VT/TV

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Merlin83b:

Is ATSC DVB for America?

[08:43:04]

radi0head:

I have no knowledge of ATSC/DVB at all.

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mchou:

Merlin83b: yeah, more or less

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Juski:

radi0head: pvr150 or pvr500 – both available in a bunch of different packages – some with remotes & IR receivers (and some even blasters)

[08:44:05]

radi0head:

Juski; THanks.

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radi0head:

WHat about the PVR-250?

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Juski:

same story, but they're more rare these days

[08:45:02]

radi0head:

Ahh, k.

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Juski:

not made anymore ;)

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Juski:

right. I g2g try & find out why these cheap Taiwanese caddies are a PoS.. (duh.. kind of obvious, that one innit?)

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radi0head:

Wait!

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radi0head:

I was wondering, before you go, how are those hauppauge external (usb) ?

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radi0head:

It would be sweet to bring it with my lappy.

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Juski_:

heheh

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Juski:

re the USB2 thing, radi0head ... I think the PVR USB2 can work in linux

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radi0head:

Juski; k.

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radi0head:

I'

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Juski:

check the v4l wiki

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radi0head:

I've found different models of PVR-150: 1042, 1045, 1047, 1062, 232, 274.

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Juski:

no idea, before you ask

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Juski:

check www.ivtvdriver.org

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radi0head:

Yeah sure.

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gardengnome:

hey Juski

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radi0head:

I have to sleep it's 5:20AM here, take care man, and thanks again! :D

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Juski:

hey gardengnome :)

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Juski:

sleep is for humans!

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** radi0head is one. **

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radi0head:

lol

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radi0head:

Adios!

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Juski:

seeya

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tjcarter:

ahh, there

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gardengnome:

Juski: did you notice any problems while searching the forum, e.g. not getting the right matches?

[09:23:59]

tjcarter:

obviously I still DO remember how to abuse Debian source packages.

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Juski:

gardengnome: you can SEARCH the forums? :-O

[09:26:31]

Juski:

no i never noticed. maybe there are too many lame questions there now or something

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Saviq:

hi there all you people who know more than me ;)

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Juski:

I do know that sometimes when I view posts since my last visit it shows me stuff from the French & Spanish sections

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gardengnome:

ouch

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Saviq:

I have two questions... 1. how can i prevent mythfrontend from stealing my keboard focus?

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Juski:

what?

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Juski:

use a window manager

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Saviq:

I want to run it dual headed

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Saviq:

myth on :0.1 and normal gdm session on :0.0

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Saviq:

but when i start myth, it just grabs the keyboeard, never giving it back

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Saviq:

and it's not only me...

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Saviq:

though it may be xgl-related

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Juski:

myth won't work with xgl

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Saviq:

I don't want it to

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Juski:

you'd need 2 x servers really

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Saviq:

that's what I'm about to try

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Saviq:

but now I have two screens on xorg, and a xgl session nested inside :0.0

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Saviq:

so myth would run on :0.1

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Saviq:

and it steals my keyboard until killing gdm... or some weird hack with mwm

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Saviq:

ok about 2 Xs... is it possible to run two separate Xs on a dual-headed card?

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Saviq:

I have two devices in xorg, so theoretically it should work

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Saviq:

but the second question was... what encoding do I need to feed mythvideo with so the metadata would show utf chars?

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Saviq:

when I feed it with proper utf, it shows the two chars for special signs

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Saviq:

on the other hand, when writing something inside mythfrontend, it does well

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Saviq:

oh and about myth not running on xgl... works here... though I don't have no mythtv now

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Saviq:

when writing some special chars in mythvideo... it gets into the db as... utf encoded in utf... so actually every special char gets 4 bytes...

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Juski:

didn't work when I tried it – the menus do but video playback crashes X

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Saviq:

possible – I don't have nothing to use mythtv with yet

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Juski:

Saviq: about the metadata.. no idea. i can't stand utf-8

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Saviq:

and I can't stand mysql :[

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Saviq:

I'm sure it's the db's fault

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Juski:

so rewrite mythtv to not use mysql.. maybe sqlite instead :-P

[09:48:27]

Saviq:

yeah ;P

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Juski:

why would that be a problem anyway, so long as the chars are displayed properly?

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Saviq:

well it wouldn't :)

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Saviq:

but when I feed myth with metadata from a script...

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Saviq:

it get's like 8 bytes

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Saviq:

so it's encoded one time too much ;)

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Juski:

you can't feed utf-8 to a db which isn't set up to support it

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Saviq:

well it is, since when I write a title using all weird chars, it shows up proper

[09:53:46]

Saviq:

but when getting data from imdb

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Juski:

so what's the problem?

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Saviq:

like the director

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Saviq:

I can't edit it inside

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Juski:

I'd say the problem was with the script

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Saviq:

so I'm asking – what encoding do I need the script to spit out, so it would work properly :)

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Juski:

you can edit all the fields with phpmyadmin etc – and most fields with mythweb

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Juski:

ascii, AFAIK

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splattnik:

morrn

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splattnik:

ops, wrong channel

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Saviq:

in phpmyadmin I get the "good" chars – the ones that show up properly in myth – displayed as two chars

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Saviq:

so it's impossible to edit ;)

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Juski:

I dunno how myth handles utf-8 to be honest. this'd be more a question for the mailing lists I think

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Saviq:

and then I get them all question marks in myth

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Saviq:

... will try to feed it with latin or something

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Saviq:

ok damn it... my bad...

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Saviq:

I was so sure that the script was ok that I didn't even check the output

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gardengnome:

Saviq: please wait a sec, i've heard similar problems – i'm on the phone atm

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gardengnome:

i didn't solve them, though....

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gardengnome:

i'm on hold again. anyways.

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Saviq:

I've solved the utf probs...

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gardengnome:

Saviq: in my setup, the script (ofdb.pl) spits out latin characters i think – it doesn't care about my locale settings. umlauts show up as 'two boxes then.

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Saviq:

works now

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gardengnome:

Saviq: how?!

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Saviq:

just spit out utf

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gardengnome:

i can't make my script do that – because i don't know how :).

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gardengnome:

mythvideo gives me the output of the script where the umlauts already missing. i haven't filed a bug report yet, though.

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Saviq:

so do a script that feeds the output through iconv -f latin1 -t utf8

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Saviq:

and set it up in the mythtv setup

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gardengnome:

Saviq: i will try that. that sounds very good. :)

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Saviq:

two lines:

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Saviq:

#!/bin/sh

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Saviq:

/path/to/the/original/script $@ | iconv -f latin1 -t utf8

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Saviq:

should work

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Saviq:

I think

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gardengnome:

damn, i should have thought about doing that earlier. ;)

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Juski:

when everyone just uses English it'll all be much easier :-P

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Saviq:

yeah... been to UK?

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Merlin83b:

Heh.

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Saviq:

or even – Scotland?

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Juski:

yeh.. when the UK starts to use English again it'll be good

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qu0zl:

i've been to birmingham, it's easier to understand french

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Saviq:

that's about it :]

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Saviq:

I'm from poland, but when I went to Bradford, West Yorkshire...

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Saviq:

thank god most of the people there were pakistani...

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Saviq:

or poles ;]

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Merlin83b:

Knowing some Bradford residents I can assure you the feeling isn't universal.

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Saviq:

that's true

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Saviq:

we can be a pain in the arse...

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Juski:

human nature :)

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qu0zl:

that's for sure. the polish chicks in the cafeteria here have the "Dirty Dancing" cd on permenant loop :(

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Juski:

hey I know – I'll move to a new country but not even bother to try to learn the language & what passes for culture

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qu0zl:

tbf they were probably given it by some equally evil irish chick :(

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Saviq:

but damn You would run away too if You'd had a president's backup copy for prime minister...

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qu0zl:

heh they're twins right Saviq?

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Saviq:

yeah

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qu0zl:

that's pretty funny :)

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qu0zl:

sure it's not a clone?

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Saviq:

no

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Juski:

come the revolution, my friends.. come the revolution ;)

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qu0zl:

bah come the revolution i'm fecked. C Programmers won't be very useful post-apocalypse

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qu0zl:

knew i should have been a doctor

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Juski:

not that enough people even care of course. I mean on the front page of a 'news' paper yesterday there was a story about people being angry at the producers of 'Big Brother'. FFS

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Saviq:

there's this joke... that Poland is the only country in europe that has a president's backup copy and a radio-controlled government

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Saviq:

the latter is about a f***ng damn pseudo-catholic radio

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Saviq:

radio station, that is

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qu0zl:

i read about that Saviq. We've so many poles in ireland we get a smattering of polish news articles :)

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Saviq:

yeah

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Saviq:

I've heard recently that there's a polish news programme at some tv in dublin

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Saviq:

about Poland, of course

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qu0zl:

think i remember somethign about that. Haven't bothered to try and get it in mythtv yet ;)

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Saviq:

no, it's not a station.. just a short everyday news flash

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Saviq:

don't remember what station, though...

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qu0zl:

yeah it's on the community station which i havent bothered to setup

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qu0zl:

damn community ;)

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Juski:

so. day 3 of wiki week. what have you added to the wiki today? do you have anything to add to wiki.mythtv.org?

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gardengnome:

yeah. i should that it's impossible to get good dvb-c-hardware where i live. the best one so far was "what does the C stand for?"

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Juski:

it ryhmes with 'twunt'

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Juski:

damn spelling

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Juski:

wtf are people asking questions in the wiki for? arghhhh!

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Saviq:

is it possible to switch to upper-case in mythtv editors?

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Saviq:

using 1–9 of course

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Juski:

use the onscreen keyboard instead

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Saviq:

that'll be a lame question... how to enable it?

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gardengnome:

hit enter or space when you've selected a text input field

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gardengnome:

i think it's enabled by default

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Juski:

hahahaha. that unofficial plugin thingy rocks!

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gardengnome:

mythchess?

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Juski:

yeah mythchess. god I love it so much. dead easy to install too

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Juski:

and it supports LIRC even!

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Juski:

mythstreamtv is very good too btw

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gardengnome:

mythsreamtv? never got it working.

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gardengnome:

i thought there was something like mythstreamtv planned for 0.20?

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Juski:

I had to rebuild vlc twice to get it working though

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Juski:

yeah the flash video thingy some asshat mentioned in an interview he gave.. I was wondering about that

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Juski:

:-/

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gardengnome:

Juski: nobody wants to sell me a dvb-c card. time to call shop number 15 or so now...

[11:58:20]

Juski:

what?!

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Juski:

dvbshop.de ?

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gardengnome:

nobody's got them in stock. no, i want it today.

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Juski:

ah

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** Juski closes a port on his router **

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Juski:

job done. that was impressive

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gardengnome:

;)

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Juski:

better than VCD quality over my broadband connection. very nifty. can't see me using it much though

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gardengnome:

yeah, you're supposed to be working.

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gardengnome:

;)

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Juski:

lol

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Juski:

lunchy break

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gardengnome:

guten appetit!

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Juski:

burp

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imperfect-:

Morning.

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imperfect-:

IS there anywhere I can get a comprehensive list of mythtv dependencies?

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Juski:

simple answer is 'no'

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Juski:

Saviq: btw did you see this? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Displayi . . . in_MythVideo

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Saviq:

yeah

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Saviq:

and font was not the problem...

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Saviq:

the problem was me

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Juski:

PEBCAK?

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Saviq:

i was so sure that my script spitted utf that I didn't even check it ;)

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Saviq:

yep

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Saviq:

(had to check the acronym ;])

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gardengnome:

Juski: thanks a lot for that url.

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gardengnome:

imperfect-: depends.

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gardengnome:

imperfect-: (no pun intended). what distro?

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Juski:

gardengnome: great pun!

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gardengnome:

Juski: not intentionally. maybe you should have taken me with you on stage :)

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Juski:

mmmyers

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gardengnome:

that'd have been horrible. i'd either have yelled at someone or have a fit.

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Juski:

like I said.. next year I'm kidnapping a developer

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Juski:

just thinking actually.. maybe we could have mythtv conferences all over the place

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gardengnome:

Juski: video conferencing? ;)

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Beirdo:

I'll bring the webcam to the beach

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: Sounds like fun :)

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gardengnome:

hehe

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Juski:

I was thinking more real life, drinking beer & discussing stuff, doing installfests & gear like that

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gardengnome:

in that order, right. no way i'm gonna install mythtv on someone else's box when i'm not wasted :)

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Beirdo:

sure, just say yer Juski :)

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Beirdo:

muhahah

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Beirdo:

anyways... I think I need more coffee

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Beirdo:

hey gardengnome... is "spiel" something in German?

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Juski:

speaking of webcams.. that was a surprise – my usb webcam just works (tm) in umbongo. I was fairly disappointed

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Juski:

expected to at least have to yell & scream at the box for a while, searching for drivers & crap ;)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Merlin83b:

Heh.

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gardengnome:

Beirdo: spiel -> game

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Beirdo:

ahhh

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Beirdo:

I was wondering as I'm playing games on spielbyweb.com

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

makes perfect sense

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gardengnome:

hehe

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Juski:

yeh I've got a target I've set myself... dispel the rumour that myth is a bitch to install & get working

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Beirdo:

well, the rumour is correct if you refuse to RTFM, for sure

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Juski:

yup

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Juski:

it's not (yet) like other software where you can mess around with it after installing & achieve a degree of success. you actually have to know what you're doing (eep!)

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coffee88:

would have been a lot easier for me if Hauppague didn't have 30 remotes all subtly different...

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Beirdo:

yeah, it requires a modicum (sp?) of intelligence

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Juski:

coffee88: FA to do with mythtv that though

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coffee88:

true, but a big part of getting the mythbox to a working state...

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coffee88:

like getting the right X config for tv out. not a myth issue, per se, but important...

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Beirdo:

oh just wait until you have to setup gputrans :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Juski:

Beirdo: the term 'wizard based' shouldn't have to mean the user is a genius ;-)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

it should mean that they need to get zapped every time the fuck up

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coffee88:

gputrans? what calculations is it offloading?!

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Juski:

run setup.exe. click 'ok'.. done

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Beirdo:

none yet, but plan on having the denoising in there

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Beirdo:

and then hopefully more transcoding-like tasks

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coffee88:

ah. got it.

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Beirdo:

I'm just chugging along

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Beirdo:

hehe

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coffee88:

not a weekend's work, i suspect....

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Juski:

lol

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Beirdo:

heh, hardly

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Beirdo:

just the structure to be able to feed frames to the GPU, etc has taken me a while

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Juski:

coffee88: what patching did you have to do to get xmltv working and why, btw?

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Beirdo:

it's multiprocess with one process being multithreaded

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coffee88:

nothing like a challenge...

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Beirdo:

gotta love the un-thread-safeness of OpenGL

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coffee88:

Juski: xmltv patching? can't remember any.... but then it was a while ago...

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Beirdo:

buttheads store the glut context in a global, not pass you a pointer to one

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Juski:

Qt isn't thread-safe either, i learned recently

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Beirdo:

Qt can be, they at least have a multithread version, no?

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tjcarter:

It should be if you're using the multithreaded version

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** Juski is not qualified to answer that yet **

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Juski:

coffee88: I thought you said you had to patch tv_grab_uk_rt to make it work or summink

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** coffee88 scratches head and tries to remember............. **

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Beirdo:

so anyways, I put each "rendering" engine in a separately forked process so I don't have to worry about clobbering each other's OpenGL context

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Beirdo:

so using IPC message queues, IPC shared memory

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Beirdo:

what fun

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Juski:

oh wait sorry. might'ev bene pukeosc

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Beirdo:

makes process cleanup so much more messy

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coffee88:

Juski: can't remember anay. it Just Worked in gentoo for me, from memory...

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Juski:

rightyo. fair enough. must've been someone else

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coffee88:

was this recently?

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Juski:

fairly

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coffee88:

not me then. so long ago now i've forgotten how...

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Juski:

heh

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coffee88:

ot, but if i want a prog to run every 5 mins (logging temps), is it better to cron it or just have it wait...

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qu0zl:

i'd just cron it personally

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qu0zl:

as to whether it's better i dunno. but it shouldnt fall over that way. you dont need to worry about starting it

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coffee88:

could be easier too, I guess....

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coffee88:

qu0zl: you're not the outback Aus qu0zl are you?

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qu0zl:

damn him :P

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qu0zl:

i was quozl first

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qu0zl:

nope he's a different opensource nerd

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qu0zl:

how you could mix us up i dont know

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coffee88:

i've been looking at his PIC stuff.... just wondered.

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qu0zl:

:)

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qu0zl:

he has some interesting stuff alright

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coffee88:

varied intrests too

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qu0zl:

yeah

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imperfect-:

Anyone here ?

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coffee88:

he went to get a cup of tea.

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Juski:

and a Starbar

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Juski:

he'll be back tomorrow I should think

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Juski:

until then, here's some musak..........

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** coffee88 plugs his ears **

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** coffee88 unplugs them now insomnia is playing here... **

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Beirdo:

hmmm

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Beirdo:

got 621 beautiful green frames

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Beirdo:

wonder what I missed in the code? ;)

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Beirdo:

OK, the input frames are OK, that's good to know

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gardengnome:

Juski: found a dvb-c card. :)) yay.

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jams:

congrats

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jams:

wtf...some guy just drove up to our house, snapped a picture and drove off

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stuarta:

jams: hope your security system is up to date..

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tfm:

jams: a 'new' method of war driving maybe ;)

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jams:

stuarta- I have plans but nothing implemented

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jams:

tfm..my wifi IS open to the public, seperate segment but still open

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Fnc-1:

maybe it was for the county

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Fnc-1:

tax values.. although kinda late in the year for that

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netrix:

anyone know where i can get a libdvdread package for ubuntu that has encrypted dvd support?

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Beirdo:

YAY, I have non-green frames now

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GreyFoxx:

libdvdread doesn't have that, libdvdcss is what you need for that

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Beirdo:

netrix, yeah... google knows

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Fnc-1:

picture frames?

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Fnc-1:

windows frames?

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gardengnome:

/usr7shjare/doc/libdvdread/examples knows too, iirc.

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GreyFoxx:

Beirdo: Do you actually have it processing the frames on the card and returning them back to you ?

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Fnc-1:

glasses frames

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Beirdo:

GreyFoxx, for now, just memcpy into the appropriate spot as a feedback

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GreyFoxx:

cool

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Beirdo:

but the GPU will be involved VERY soon

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Beirdo:

feeding a 621 frame clip into it, saving the output frames as ppm on the drive

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

it's a start

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GreyFoxx:

how fast can you pull the frames back off the card ?

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** stuarta thinks Beirdo is creating havoc.... **

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Beirdo:

I'll have to see

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Beirdo:

right now it doesn't yet go into the card itself

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GreyFoxx:

I'm curious as I have another project that would find that most useful

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netrix:

cool found it. thanks.

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Beirdo:

it will soon though :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I'll let ya know

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh

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stuarta:

what's the new toy of the day?

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Beirdo:

still workin on gputrans

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Beirdo:

first thing the GPU will do will be to overwrite the frames with solid red

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Beirdo:

so I make sure that I have my YUV mapping correct

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netrix:

wow getting libdvdcss support working on ubuntu couldn't be easier.

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GreyFoxx:

Can you get the card to do yuv translations ?

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Beirdo:

as I'm stuffing YUV444P into an RGBA structure, just want to make sure it's happening in the right endian

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Beirdo:

yah, that should be easy

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stuarta:

sounds like a graphics coprocessor....

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GreyFoxx:

If I could feed it a frame, and have it scale it and return it in a YUV format I specify it would be extremely useful :)

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Beirdo:

but as I'm inputting video from libavformat/libavcodec, it's already YUV

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Beirdo:

that can be done

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Beirdo:

feeding it in RGB?

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GreyFoxx:

the question really is, how fast

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GreyFoxx:

I would expect it to be rgb source yeah

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Beirdo:

and it'd be easiest to feed back in TUV444

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Beirdo:

YUV444 rather

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Beirdo:

i.e. no subsampling

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Beirdo:

but we can see

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imperfect-:

I've got a P-4 3.6ghz machine w/ 1MB of cache

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DMJC-L:

anyone know howto get the frequency infor for a channel out?

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imperfect-:

will moving to 3.8Ghz with 2 MBof cache make things noticably better?

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DMJC-L:

where does mythtv store it?

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DMJC-L:

2HD:226500000:INVERSION_OFF:BANDWIDTH_7_MHZ:FEC_3_4:FEC_3_4:QAM_64:TRANSMISSION_ MODE_8K:GUARD_INTERVAL_1_16:HIERARCHY_NONE:2307:0:592

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DMJC-L:

trying to get one of these for a channel

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GreyFoxx:

imperfect-: Having performance problems ?

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Beirdo:

GreyFoxx, I assume this is for the use of the DVD decoder cards?

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GreyFoxx:

Beirdo: yeah

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Beirdo:

heh

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stuarta:

Beirdo: what hardware are you playing with?

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Beirdo:

wouldn't it be kinda silly to require an nvidia FX5200 card in there to use it?

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Beirdo:

nvidia >= FX5200

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DMJC-L:

n/m

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DMJC-L:

I haxxed it

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Beirdo:

right now, got a FX5500 and 6600 in there

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Beirdo:

and 2*MX440, 1*MX4000, which can't be used due to lack of programmable fragment processor

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GreyFoxx:

Beirdo: Really, what I'm thinking is that instead of me feeding it a frame it would be nifty if I could ask the GPU to return a copy of the currently displayed frame, scaled to a res I specify in the YUV format I request

[14:46:07]

Beirdo:

although, I might be able to do colorspace conversions in the vertex unit

[14:46:19]

Beirdo:

ahhh

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GreyFoxx:

That would allow me to grab the X output without having to modify X, and be able to dump it directly off to the decoders framebuffer without having to do incpu colversions

[14:47:21]

Beirdo:

scaling should be dead simple

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Beirdo:

the problem with YUV is that it's normally stored in a planar format

[14:47:35]

GreyFoxx:

Beirdo: In my case I want a yuv422 planar

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

[14:47:40]

Beirdo:

and the GPU likes packed formats better

[14:47:43]

GreyFoxx:

yeah

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Beirdo:

but with some appropriate tricks, you should be able to do it

[14:48:11]

Beirdo:

make two different viewports, one full frame size, one half

[14:48:18]

GreyFoxx:

though I imagine to avoid tearing I would need sommething to tell me when X is updating the screen

[14:48:22]

Beirdo:

then do the Y in full frame, the UV in the half-frame

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GreyFoxx:

ahh

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Beirdo:

be interesting to try for sure

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Beirdo:

for now, I get ffmpeg to convert the YUV420P from mpeg to YUV444P which I then repack into uint32 RGBA format to hand to the GPU

[14:49:22]

Beirdo:

a bit bitchy

[14:49:41]

Beirdo:

although I use the RGBA as YUV0

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Beirdo:

i.e. 0 out the alpha channel, and just pretend the other numbers are RGB

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GreyFoxx:

I remember spending days tweaking my yuv<->rgb stuff

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Beirdo:

of course, my development platform is my fastest machine

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

AMD64 3200+

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Beirdo:

so once this is done, I need to beg/borrow/steal a crap-ass computer with PCI slots

[14:51:07]

Beirdo:

and try running on it instead :)

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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Beirdo:

but I hope to have the GPU doing something very very soon

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Beirdo:

after I've satisfied myself that my mapping is all correct, I'll start looking at putting in some denoising algorithms

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Beirdo:

which will make my head explode

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Fnc-1:

berido: what you trying to accomplish

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Beirdo:

denoising video in the GPU for now

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Fnc-1:

yikes

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Beirdo:

which means fun stuff like motion estimation

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Fnc-1:

sounds crazy

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Beirdo:

wonder how easily the GPU could do audio rate interpolation/decimation?

[14:59:57]

Beirdo:

or MP3 encoding

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Beirdo:

heh

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stuarta:

or h264 processing

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

be really cool if I could just spit the entire MPEG frame into the GPU and have it decode too

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Beirdo:

but that hurts my brain too much to implement right now

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Juski:

woohoo I found out what's wrong with our caddies! nothing!

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Juski:

too much cumulative voltage drop across all the power control FETs in the way.. meaning the 5V rail was more like 4.72V. Ooops

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Beirdo:

woops

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jepeltw:

4.72v? luxury!

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Juski:

65mV average drop on the 5V rail in 10 caddy samples.. enough to take it over the edge

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jepeltw:

you know you need an external supply when your USB power is within spec for 3.3v

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Juski:

heh

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Juski:

that's bad. HDDs are generally only designed for 5V +/- 5%

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jepeltw:

has anyone found mythtv to misbehave if its /mnt/store is mounted over a slowish NFS connection?

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imperfect-:

GreyFoxx : Yeah..I'm always getting NVP Prebufffer pauses...

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imperfect-:

GreyFoxx: jerky video sometimes.. ec

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imperfect-:

etc

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skorpion:

Hi, I wonder if it's possible to add multiple image-paths in MythGallery? If not, does anyone know a solution for it? Aliases didnt work for me :/

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Juski:

skorpion: symbolic links?

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Fnc-1:

ln -s

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skorpion:

I meant Symbolic link, sorry, they dont show up for me in mythgallery at all.

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jepeltw:

does your mythtv user have permissions to access the targets of the symlink? the link might be 777 mythtv:users, but it's the target that matters

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datenmaulwurf:

hey

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datenmaulwurf:

i've problems compiling the latest stable source

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datenmaulwurf:

0.19

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datenmaulwurf:

../../libs/libmythtv/libmythtv-0.19.so: undefined reference to `vbi_bit_reverse'

[15:14:22]

datenmaulwurf:

../../libs/libmythtv/libmythtv-0.19.so: undefined reference to `formats'

[15:14:24]

datenmaulwurf:

../../libs/libmyth/libmyth-0.19.so: undefined reference to `ScreenSaverX11::ScreenSaverX11()'

[15:14:26]

jepeltw:

pastebin!

[15:14:27]

datenmaulwurf:

../../libs/libmythtv/libmythtv-0.19.so: undefined reference to `subtitles'

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Juski:

try 0.19-fixes for starters

[15:14:30]

datenmaulwurf:

collect2: ld returned 1 exit status

[15:14:51]

Juski:

looks like a missign dev lib

[15:14:59]

datenmaulwurf:

but which?

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Juski:

s/missign/missing

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Juski:

which distro? you know on Debian you can do apt-get build-dep mythtv I think

[15:16:51]

datenmaulwurf:

debian etch

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datenmaulwurf:

pastebin: http://pastebin.ca/123733 :)

[15:17:23]

medwards:

skorpion: best I can offer is symlinks...

[15:17:24]

datenmaulwurf:

but the mythtv in the deb-repository seems to be broken

[15:17:51]

Juski:

datenmaulwurf: but the build-deps should be about the same

[15:17:57]

datenmaulwurf:

ok

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skorpion:

jepeltw/medwards: dammit, it worked now, It didnt work before, And I thought i had tested everything

[15:18:06]

skorpion:

Thanks anyway

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skorpion:

:)

[15:18:11]

datenmaulwurf:

i'll try it

[15:18:16]

medwards:

lol symlinks?

[15:18:20]

datenmaulwurf:

E: Unable to find a source package for mythtv

[15:18:35]

medwards:

datenmaulwurf: are you trying to create new deb packages?

[15:18:46]

datenmaulwurf:

no, i just want to compile my mythtv

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skorpion:

symlinks was the shit

[15:19:07]

medwards:

well... this doesn't cover just straight up compiling but you'll be creating from source:

[15:19:28]

datenmaulwurf:

?

[15:19:29]

medwards:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Building . . . m_SubVersion

[15:19:40]

medwards:

sorry was finding and C&Ping link

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datenmaulwurf:

no, i DON'T want to build a deb :)

[15:19:47]

medwards:

why the heck not?

[15:19:48]

datenmaulwurf:

i've just a few problems compiling it

[15:19:50]

datenmaulwurf:

http://pastebin.ca/123733

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medwards:

Have you successfully compiled and installed libmyth?

[15:21:52]

medwards:

I think it's pretty much a prereq for the subsequent compiles.

[15:21:57]

datenmaulwurf:

aeh

[15:22:13]

datenmaulwurf:

i downloaded this package (http://www.mythtv.org/mc/mythtv-0.19.tar.bz2) configured it and started a make which failed

[15:22:28]

datenmaulwurf:

where can i get the libmyth-sources?

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Juski:

datenmaulwurf: you'd be much better grabbing 0.19-fixes, _really_

[15:22:41]

kormoc:

libmyth should be in there

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Juski:

svn.mythtv.org

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medwards:

it's cut into the mythtv directory somehow.

[15:22:53]

datenmaulwurf:

ok

[15:22:55]

medwards:

Concur with Juski, -fixes is better.

[15:23:06]

evilDagmar:

Something else there is fried, and I don't think it's going to get better by switching to 0.19-fixes

[15:23:07]

medwards:

(19.99 is better too, but *shrug*

[15:23:13]

Juski:

datenmaulwurf: did you do qmake mythtv.pro ?

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medwards:

Yeah, but when he gets it to work he should have 0.19-fixes not 0.19 straight

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datenmaulwurf:

no, id did a simple "make" but it calls qmake internally

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kormoc:

19.99?

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janneg:

datenmaulwurf: have you development packages for X?

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evilDagmar:

"../../libs/libmyth/libmyth-0.19.so: undefined reference to `ScreenSaverX11::ScreenSaverX11()'" probably the most telling error in there

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medwards:

kormoc: the current in development tree

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kormoc:

there is no 19.99

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kormoc:

that's called trunk, not 19.99

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medwards:

kormoc: I'll call it what I want :P

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Juski:

19.99 is how much your SO charges an hour

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evilDagmar:

heh!

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medwards:

kormoc: (yeah I know it's called trunk or head, but it's easier to use versioning for the layperson)

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kormoc:

you'll just confuse people, esp given at any time issac can just skip version numbers

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kormoc:

medwards, meh, usually it's just trunk-svn number, giving it a meaningful number

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Juski:

yeh but -fixes has the same number

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kormoc:

actually yes, but not

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kormoc:

that's the checkout number that the repo is on

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medwards:

Juski: no it has a revision number and then it's release number.

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kormoc:

but not the same source numbers

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datenmaulwurf:

he, it's all right :)

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Juski:

I pay no heed to revision numbers

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jams:

only when something breaks is that number important

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medwards:

for example I'll be making svn-10721 debs when I get home tonight.

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kormoc:

I use svn at work all the time, so it makes perfect sense :P

[15:27:02]

datenmaulwurf:

ok, thanks, i'll try it

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datenmaulwurf:

see you soon :)

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Juski:

the bastards! they've only gone & blocked .gz files now

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bmk789:

im trying to install 0.20, i got the SVN now im trying to ./configure but it says i need lame, i have lame installed but how do i tell it where to find lame?

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Juski:

bmk789: liblame-dev ot somthing – the source code for liblame

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bmk789:

thank you

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Juski:

and it's not 0.20 btw

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DMJC:

trying to tune an australian channel that's not listed

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Juski:

trying to ask a question that isn't structures properly

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Juski:

damn keyboard! arghhh

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bmk789:

not 0.20?

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bmk789:

Juski: its not 0.20?

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stuarta:

Juski: you have fascist sys admins?

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Juski:

bmk789: 0.20 will be the _released_ version, which it ain't.. yet

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Juski:

stuarta: oh yay.. are they ever

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DMJC:

w00t!

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Juski:

actually they're more BOFHs than sysadmins

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stuarta:

they are obviously bored...

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Juski:

but they can't block the port I ssh on :-)

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stuarta:

:)

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bmk789:

make[2]: *** [libmyth-0.19.so.0.19.0] Error 1

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bmk789:

do i need to have libmyth installed before i compile?

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Juski:

I think you might find that error means that libmyth failed to make

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** gardengnome does the dvb dance **

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Juski:

ooo – you have worky worky, gardengnome ?

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stuarta:

ooo

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Juski:

deeveebee-cee :-)

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medwards:

bmk789: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Building . . . m_SubVersion

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medwards:

It'll integrate more nicely with your Ubuntu install in the end

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bmk789:

ok thx

[15:59:04]

medwards:

(see Juski, Wiki Week did produce something good)

[15:59:34]

medwards:

If you browse through Tino Keitel's stuff you'll find debs from SVN from Aug 7 which is pretty damned recent.

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Juski:

still need more hands on deck with the wiki though

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medwards:

Yeah, and my article is pretty messy.

[16:00:40]

medwards:

But at least it's useful (unlike it's previous state)

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stuarta:

why does it talk about 0.20 when it isn't released?

[16:01:04]

medwards:

ack

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Juski:

stuarta: did you get a chance to see the video? god how I cringed!

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stuarta:

I understand you are packaging *pre* 0.20

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medwards:

I'll fixy

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stuarta:

Juski: it's downloaded, will have to watch it tonight

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Juski:

enjoy it.. well more than I enjoyed watching my bit

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stuarta:

you will be your own biggest critic....

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Juski:

not so much that – last time I saw myself on video was about 20 years ago

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bmk789:

crap im gettin the same error, anyone know why it would give me an error building libmyth?

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Juski:

bmk789: some crap or other will be missing, or you've missed out a preparation step

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bmk789:

what would be missing? is there a guide to installing pre-0.20?

[16:06:32]

Beirdo:

you know, if you pastebin ALL the errors, someone might be able to be more specific

[16:07:09]

Juski:

my new motto.. don't just post what YOU think will be useful (I mean wtf do you know anyway?) ;-)

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Fnc-1:

durka durka

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Juski:

jihad

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datenmaulwurf:

back again...

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datenmaulwurf:

hey :)

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gardengnome:

hi datenmaulwurf

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datenmaulwurf:

i checked out via svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-19-fixes/mythtv

[16:08:44]

datenmaulwurf:

but get the same error.messages

[16:08:45]

Juski:

and you still get the error... yeah

[16:08:59]

Juski:

nobody said 0.19-fixes would fix the compile error

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datenmaulwurf:

no

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datenmaulwurf:

:|

[16:09:33]

datenmaulwurf:

but i hoped so

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datenmaulwurf:

any ideas?

[16:10:45]

gardengnome:

what error?

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Juski:

not until you post all the error output into a pastebin..

[16:11:03]

Juski:

anyway what's with all the activity building svn head lately?

[16:11:24]

Juski:

(duh!) silly me

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stuarta:

Juski: the whiff of 0.20 in the breeze

[16:12:10]

datenmaulwurf:

http://pastebin.ca/123733

[16:12:29]

bmk789:

http://bmk789.dyndns.org/myth_error

[16:13:16]

stuarta:

bmk789: have you tried installing the relevant X dev libs?

[16:13:38]

bmk789:

doh!

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bmk789:

i should have known

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stuarta:

!trout bmk789 X dev lib

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** MythLogBot slaps bmk789 with a X dev lib trout on behalf of stuarta... **

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datenmaulwurf:

hmm – with the trunk source i "only" get the `ScreenSaverX11::ScreenSaverX11()'-error

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bmk789:

ok i g2g ill finish this later

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bmk789:

thanks for your help

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stuarta:

datenmaulwurf: have you disabled anything in particular?

[16:16:33]

datenmaulwurf:

yeah

[16:16:37]

datenmaulwurf:

i disabled nearly all

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datenmaulwurf:

http://pastebin.ca/123801 – my configure-string

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stuarta:

ah, okay. it'll be something that isn't quite right in the configure script. though I suspect it's been fixed in head already

[16:17:59]

datenmaulwurf:

where can i get "head"?

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Fnc-1:

i know a place in dallas

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** stuarta directs datenmaulwurf to the dodgy end of town **

[16:19:08]

datenmaulwurf:

aeh

[16:19:08]

datenmaulwurf:

sry

[16:19:28]

datenmaulwurf:

my English is guilty...

[16:19:31]

datenmaulwurf:

but

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Juski:

hmmm.. mythtv svn...

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datenmaulwurf:

but anyway – i don't know what you mean...

[16:19:58]

datenmaulwurf:

:|

[16:20:07]

datenmaulwurf:

yeah

[16:20:13]

datenmaulwurf:

trunk, branches, tag

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Juski:

svn.mythtv.org

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datenmaulwurf:

i checked out these two repositories

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Juski:

did you read the text on the page at all?

[16:21:32]

datenmaulwurf:

trunk and release-0.19-fixes

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stuarta:

back later....

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Juski:

trunk == head

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Juski:

cya laters stuarta

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stuarta:

i'll read up when I get home....

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evilDagmar:

How on earth is he getting audio support?

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datenmaulwurf:

but i used trunk

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evilDagmar:

"--disable-audio-alsa --disable-audio-oss --disable-audio-arts --disable-audio-jack"

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evilDagmar:

What's left?

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datenmaulwurf:

and get "only" the X11-screensaver-error-msg

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datenmaulwurf:

in trunk

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evilDagmar:

datenmaulwurf: What version of X you have installed would be what I'd question

[16:23:30]

datenmaulwurf:

debian-etch-X11

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datenmaulwurf:

that's so stupid – i want to use it as a backend and have to install X+QT :|

[16:24:34]

datenmaulwurf:

but that's another point

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Juski:

just rewrite it – it'll be ok

[16:25:33]

datenmaulwurf:

http://pastebin.ca/123810 – that's the error i get while compiling trunk/head

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datenmaulwurf:

i've no c programming-skills

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Juski:

lol

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datenmaulwurf:

Juski: ?

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Juski:

never mind

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Juski:

it's hometime

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gardengnome:

Juski: have fun...

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datenmaulwurf:

any ideas? :|

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** jepeltw tries to figure out why myth is so slow **

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jepeltw:

does anyone here have a Hauppauge PVR-150? (non-MCE)? I'm trying to figure out if it includes a remote control

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o_cee:

anyone know if sata drives are hot pluggable?

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jepeltw:

I don't think so

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o_cee:

pita to restart just to fix a drive :/

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jams:

o_cee the spec says yes, but very few drivers support it

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o_cee:

jams: hm, okay..

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evilDagmar:

jepeltw: There are models of the 150 both with and without the included IR hardware

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jepeltw:

evilDagmar, thanks. Does the receiver connect to the card or is it separate?

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jepeltw:

ah, nvm, it seems to be separate, if image search isn't leading me wrong

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Led-Hed:

When I boot up my frontend most of the boot process is not diaplayed because its at a resolution my Plasma TV doesnt support. Is there a way to change the resolution of the Console?

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gardengnome:

Led-Hed: you're probably looking for the framebuffer stuff.. but it might interfere with your graphic card drivers.

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** Led-Hed googles framebuffer **

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Led-Hed:

thanks

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gardengnome:

np

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jams:

gardengnome- still working with initng?

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gardengnome:

jams: nope, haven't used it in a long time. but i still think it's cool ;)

[17:23:25]

gardengnome:

any issues?

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jams:

nope, just curious thats all

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gardengnome:

heh

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Led-Hed:

initng looks very cool.

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gardengnome:

yep, it does.

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Led-Hed:

will have to try it out

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Led-Hed:

combine that with a Boot on CF and you have a speedy bootup

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Led-Hed:

would it be possible to use a CF card for /boot and the rest of the OS on a NFS share?

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GreyFoxx:

Led-Hed: certainly

[17:51:17]

GreyFoxx:

Led-Hed: That's pretty much how I do my msntv's

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GreyFoxx:

I have a CF card with a kernel on it and ti nfs mounts / and everything else

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GreyFoxx:

If you are using PC's you could just have a boot floppy and nfs mount everything

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Led-Hed:

thats cool. booting from CF should be faster, and running everything else off a NFS share would eliminate the need for a Hard Drive in the frontent

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GreyFoxx:

All of my frontends have been diskless. Previously regular pc's booting off a kernel on afloppy with etherboot, and not just msntv units with a kernel on a built incf card

[17:53:31]

jams:

booting from CF is faster then a floppy, but might not be faster then a hard drive.

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Led-Hed:

jams: why is that?

[17:54:10]

Led-Hed:

dont most CF's read faster than HD's

[17:54:20]

GreyFoxx:

heh no

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jams:

nope

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Led-Hed:

oh

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medwards:

SADNESS ENSUES

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GreyFoxx:

but it does eliminate the need for harddrives iunb the frontends

[17:54:58]

GreyFoxx:

less heat, less power

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medwards:

I hope you're happy GreyFoxx, crushing the desires of grown men.

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jams:

hehe

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GreyFoxx:

medwards: I do my part and I'm happy with it :)

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medwards:

lol

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medwards:

GAPE

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medwards:

xris is here.

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** medwards waves his hands to get his attention **

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Led-Hed:

so is there a boot media that is faster than a HD?

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medwards:

I need help with MythWeb!

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GreyFoxx:

Led-Hed: Nothing I'm aware of

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Led-Hed:

My firewall is on a CF card and it boots in like 25 sec

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jams:

Led-Hed- something like the rocket drive might work

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GreyFoxx:

That's because most distros these days are full of loads of crap and scripts at boot

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jams:

got that right

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GreyFoxx:

"auto detectings" crap

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Led-Hed:

I have a few Solid State 2.5" drives, maybe those will boot faster

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GreyFoxx:

Led-Hed: The real solution is to parre down the init process

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jams:

some distros make that next to impossible for the avg user.

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xris:

medwards: state the problem, I'll do my best (somewhat busy at the moment)

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GreyFoxx:

my desktop machine with no attempt at speeding in it up boots in about 20 seconds

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medwards:

I'm getting the following error:

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medwards:

The database environment variables are not correctly set in the

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medwards:

included .htaccess file. Please read through the comments included

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medwards:

in the file and set up the db_* environment variables correctly.

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Led-Hed:

GreyFoxx: my FC4 frontends take over a minute to boot

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GreyFoxx:

That would most likely be FC's fault

[17:58:53]

medwards:

I've editted the .htaccess, mod_env is compiled in, and AllowOverride has been set for both /var/www/mythweb and /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb

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xris:

restarted apache?>

[17:59:21]

jams:

my desktop starts in about 25 or so

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GreyFoxx:

Led-Hed: a lot fo distros nowadays do a lot of crap during bootup that just isn't needed

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medwards:

xris: repeatedly.

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xris:

medwards: apache error logs?

[17:59:47]

medwards:

nothing related to this, but I'll recheck.

[18:00:00]

Led-Hed:

GreyFoxx: I've been looking into DSL for my new frontends

[18:00:26]

medwards:

yup. Just a 404 regarding a stale link from the 0.18 mythweb

[18:00:32]

GreyFoxx:

man lots of traffic on the -commits/trac list today

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GreyFoxx:

Led-Hed: I've never used that particular one, but it's likely gonna be a lot faster than FC on the same hardware just due to the much less bloated(complicated) boot process

[18:02:03]

Led-Hed:

I'm looking into initng

[18:02:21]

jams:

DSL works, but a mild pain to install all the stuff for myth

[18:02:56]

Led-Hed:

oh, ya. that sucks. I like installing via yum. Very quick and easy

[18:03:06]

GreyFoxx:

A friend of mine did up his own init once for a custom distro. It was like 8 lines of code ? heh

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medwards:

xris: Are there any troubleshooting steps I should look into? the only thing that might not be standard is /var/www/mythweb is a symlink to /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb

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xris:

medwards: try copying the files instead of using the symlink. should at least help narrow down the problem

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medwards:

rgr

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medwards:

ooo

[18:15:08]

medwards:

internal server error.

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** medwards looks @ logs **

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medwards:

RewriteEngine.. I remember having trouble with that too...

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Aid`:

anyone here use a DVB-S?

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Led-Hed:

jams: DLS says it canuse Deb packages. Wouldnt that make it fairly easy to install mythtv?

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jams:

if you can find packages that are compiled against the same libs that DSL uses.

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Led-Hed:

ahh

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Led-Hed:

good point

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medwards:

YAY

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Hoxzer:

I have been thinkin abotu changing a lighhttpd to apache for a week now :D

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medwards:

data directory isn't writeable.. but thats easy to fix.

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medwards:

xris: It's working now Thanks a bundle. FYI, Ubuntu/Deb packages leave mythweb in /usr/share/mythtv and symlink it. I'll figure out whether additional configuration changes are required on apache before it'll work properly in that layout.

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asfui:

hello

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xris:

medwards: there's an apache option for allowing symlinked directories to parse.. but I think you'd have to have that enabled already if you're getting the env errors

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asfui:

everytime i try to change the audio device for my TV card, and save it, it turn back to /dev/dsp, how can it be?

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sigger:

I have an avi where the volume is "too low". With my mp3's I use mp3gain, but obviously that wouldn't help here. Is there a handy utility for altering the audio track without mucking with the vid?

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claybo:

Hey everyone. I apologize if this is not appropriate to ask for this channel, but I am using MythDora and am trying to figure out the best way to install an HDTV capture card along with an IVTV card capture card. I know MythDora had an initial text install that would set up the cards for me automatically, but I don't know how to access it. Thanks to anyone who can give me more info.

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Juski:

mythdora == fedora ready-rolled, so I imagine you'd just do whatever you'd do with fedora

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xris:

claybo: read jarod's mythtv guide for fedora — should have the step by step setup you need

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** stuarta is watching the lugradio video :) **

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claybo:

Oh yeah Jarod's guide! Almost forgot about that.

[19:07:28]

claybo:

Thanks for the tip!

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Juski:

almost forgot about Jarod's guide? blasphemer!

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gardengnome:

heya Juski

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Juski:

hey gardengnome

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gardengnome:

Juski: dvb-card all worky! :)

[19:08:09]

Juski:

wooooyeah you da man!

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stuarta:

gardengnome: woo hoo

[19:08:25]

Juski:

get all the channeys & stuff?

[19:08:33]

gardengnome:

it was completely painless. not sure if the channel scanner got all channels, though.

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gardengnome:

Juski: it tells me it's skipped some transports ("no signal"), but so far it looks good.

[19:09:09]

Juski:

umbongo just see everything alright?

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stuarta:

gardengnome: that 0.19?

[19:09:31]

gardengnome:

Juski: yep. plug & scan | tee channels.conf && play ;)

[19:09:35]

gardengnome:

stuarta: yep.

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stuarta:

it had that problem....

[19:09:55]

gardengnome:

stuarta: i'll give svn another spin soon, probably. at the moment, 0.19 has to suffice :)

[19:10:35]

Juski:

I need to set up CUPS shortly.. need to share my printer

[19:10:52]

gardengnome:

good luck

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gardengnome:

;))

[19:11:21]

Juski:

yeah when I ran winduz it always had problems re-establishing a connection to SMB

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neddy:

gardengnome: where did you get your dvb drivers?

[19:11:57]

neddy:

Which distro?

[19:12:07]

gardengnome:

neddy: ubuntu dapper drake.

[19:12:20]

gardengnome:

(to both)

[19:12:30]

neddy:

You're using the dvb drivers that came with your distro, then?

[19:12:34]

Juski:

stuff just works (tm) in ubuntu

[19:12:40]

Juski:

usually

[19:12:47]

Juski:

on a good day

[19:12:54]

Juski:

with a strong tailwind

[19:14:01]

gardengnome:

terratec couldn't get their CI to work, so they never sold it. they're now working on a more versatile solution that plugs into an USB port. but vdr-portal tells me that the CI for KNC1 cards works flawlessly... terratec rules.

[19:14:27]

gardengnome:

(the CI for KNC1 cards works with my terratec one, that is)

[19:14:29]

Juski:

ooo I'd not heard anything good about them til now

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gardengnome:

neddy: yep.

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gardengnome:

Juski: *shrug* got it for cheap :)

[19:15:29]

Juski:

how come you guys don't have the stupid rules over there preventing you connecting your own stuff to the cable anyway?

[19:16:44]

** gardengnome coughs **

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[19:17:25]

gardengnome:

for the encrypted stuff, you usually need a 'certified' receiver.

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janneg:

we have unecrypted channels, for the encrypted stuff you need certified stb

[19:17:33]

janneg:

argh

[19:17:39]

gardengnome:

heh. :)

[19:20:29]

stuarta:

Juski: interesting discussion at lugradio....

[19:20:49]

Juski:

stuarta: indeed. I wish I'd not missed the discussion at the end actually

[19:21:20]

stuarta:

haven't got that far in the video....

[19:21:48]

stuarta:

you didn't get slammed as badly as you think...

[19:22:45]

Juski:

I couldn't remember much about it afterwards, and I couldn't remember what I'd said.. then I saw someone's blog that said they felt uncomfortable watching it...

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: Was it at the end of the show? I listed to only the part about you

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gardengnome:

uncomfortable? "juski makes me twitch"?

[19:23:15]

GreyFoxx:

err with you I mean

[19:23:37]

Juski:

I wish I'd thought ahead & made a list of stuff that's definitely gonna be new features in the next release, but hey ho

[19:24:00]

stuarta:

the svn v release discussion was interesting.

[19:24:13]

Juski:

yeh they have a good discussion about the whole opensource thing – getting people involved & stuff

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GreyFoxx:

how big of an event is it ?

[19:27:23]

GreyFoxx:

hehe Maybe I'll suprise the wife with a trip and attend next year just for the heck of it :)

[19:27:35]

GreyFoxx:

She's been bugging me to head to the UK for a while :)

[19:28:19]

stuarta:

nice to have an excuse....

[19:28:24]

GreyFoxx:

hehe

[19:29:03]

GreyFoxx:

I've never been to England and have wanted for a while. I'll take her over for a late Anniversary present and just happen to go to the event :)

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TRiSS:

hi, is there anybody here that has a clue what causes "myth_system():Error, fork() failed because Cannot allocate memory"

[19:32:15]

stuarta:

lack of memory?

[19:32:30]

TRiSS:

well no, it's only recenttly started

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TRiSS:

same amount of memory as before

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TRiSS:

it's since i changed my pci vidcard into an agp one

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stuarta:

so how much memory is being stolen by agpgart for the video card?

[19:33:52]

TRiSS:

it's now on 16

[19:34:39]

TRiSS:

but there's plenty of free memory left in the system, and the player (xine) launches ok outside of myth

[19:34:45]

stuarta:

how much in total?

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TRiSS:

384 mb

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[19:37:09]

bmk789:

anyone know what "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXxf86vm" would mean?

[19:37:18]

bmk789:

im trying to build 0.20 from SVN

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stuarta:

0.20 doesn't exist. you are trying to build head or not at all.

[19:38:17]

bmk789:

it said 0.20 on the main page of the wiki and thats what i clicked and downloaded

[19:38:20]

bmk789:

waht do i really have then?

[19:39:42]

stuarta:

okay, it says svn for development of 0.20. that'll be head.

[19:39:50]

bmk789:

ok thats what ive got

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stuarta:

*anyway*.....

[19:40:24]

bmk789:

i installed all the xlib i think

[19:41:43]

bmk789:

hold on whats EViE?

[19:41:48]

bmk789:

i saw that somewhere

[19:44:04]

Beirdo:

muhahahahh

[19:44:07]

Beirdo:

OMG

[19:44:22]

Beirdo:

a 1080i frame takes 6.2MB in memory raw

[19:44:24]

Beirdo:

sheeeit

[19:44:40]

stuarta:

that's a lot of bit banging

[19:44:47]

Beirdo:

heh

[19:44:57]

Beirdo:

well, it overfilled the shm area

[19:45:13]

Beirdo:

I need at least 3 input and 3 output frames allocated

[19:45:13]

stuarta:

which is crap for performance...

[19:45:19]

Beirdo:

that's > 32MB

[19:45:40]

Beirdo:

shm is not crap for performance any more than writing to normal RAM is

[19:45:55]

Beirdo:

I'm not using semaphores.

[19:45:56]

Beirdo:

heh

[19:46:07]

stuarta:

i meant running out and having to use other methods is...

[19:46:12]

Beirdo:

ahhhh

[19:46:14]

Beirdo:

yeah

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[19:46:38]

Beirdo:

so I make it say "you need to increase /proc/sys/kernel/shmmax to at least %ld to work with this file"

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Beirdo:

hehe

[19:46:42]

scopeuk:

so i take it gpu trans is gettign alot of attention atm the Beirdo

[19:46:48]

Beirdo:

yup

[19:47:02]

Beirdo:

6MB per frame. ick

[19:47:16]

Beirdo:

and that's bytes, not bits, BTW

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scopeuk:

thats nasty

[19:47:29]

Beirdo:

6,220,817 is the size of the ppm files

[19:47:39]

Beirdo:

1920x1080x24bit

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Beirdo:

heh

[19:47:41]

scopeuk:

spose over pcix that whouldent be too muchof an issue

[19:47:41]

jams:

for one frame?

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jams:

wow

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

per frame

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stuarta:

yeah, but if you can convert that in the gpu and bang it out the display that's good...

[19:49:20]

Beirdo:

denoising that's gonna be painful :)

[19:49:30]

Beirdo:

resizing comes for free pretty much though

[19:49:55]

gardengnome:

that's awesome, i want that for mytharchive and my DVB recordings :)

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stuarta:

at least dvb doesn't need denoising....

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** Beirdo farts at HDTV video **

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Beirdo:

well, it does, just not as much as an analog capture

[19:50:29]

stuarta:

i suspected you might say that....

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Beirdo:

if you are recoding it, you're almost assured to benefit from some denoising

[19:51:14]

stuarta:

I'm more thinking in terms of decoding it from broadcast format, to display format...

[19:51:21]

Beirdo:

I guess I can remove the core dumps

[19:51:52]

Beirdo:

well, decoding likely won't get much better than XvMC can offer, but we'll see in the future

[19:52:20]

Beirdo:

I think I'll clean up these .ppm files too

[19:52:29]

stuarta:

is your stuff working a different area to XvMC?

[19:52:37]

Beirdo:

1000 frames at 6MB each... that's 6G!

[19:53:15]

Beirdo:

it will use framebuffers in the card that are attached to texture buffers on the fragment processor

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Beirdo:

not sure exactly how xvmc hooks in at this time

[19:53:33]

Beirdo:

I'll be coming in using OpenGL though

[19:53:45]

Juski:

GreyFoxx: how big is lrl? there were over 500 people there in the morning on the 1st day – I know that much

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Beirdo:

all off-screen processing

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stuarta:

wonder if that can be used internally for XvMC

[19:53:57]

GreyFoxx:

Juski: Nice

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gardengnome:

Beirdo: i wonder what danielk's now opengl xvmc code does.

[19:54:09]

Beirdo:

it might be, dunno, honestly

[19:54:17]

gardengnome:

now? new.

[19:54:21]

Beirdo:

gardengnome, I bet it crashes

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stuarta:

hehe

[19:54:30]

s_g_robertson:

hello folks, Anyone here maybe able to help me with a problem I'm having with stuttering playback

[19:54:30]

gardengnome:

Beirdo: yeah, me too ;)

[19:54:34]

Juski:

GreyFoxx: only the 2nd one ever too :-)

[19:54:45]

GreyFoxx:

Juski: I'm just looking for an excuse to plan a trip :) I've got tons of airmiles to use up :) and the wife really wants to go over there

[19:54:58]

GreyFoxx:

heck she'd move in a heartbeat if I got a job over there

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Juski:

funny... some of us are thinking of moving to your neck of the woods

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GreyFoxx:

Grass is always greener....

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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Beirdo:

the grass IS greener down here

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GreyFoxx:

Personally though I'd love to take a trip to the UK since I've never been

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Beirdo:

you should see the jungle of our back yard

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stuarta:

Beirdo: only cause it rains!!!

[19:56:13]

Beirdo:

gotta mow this shit every week or buy a scythe

[19:56:28]

Juski:

heh. for that cd I did the other week you coulda just shoved a mike outta the window :)

[19:56:30]

Beirdo:

yeah, rains nearly every day

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Beirdo:

great for growing

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Juski:

so.. it's like manchester only warmer

[19:56:53]

stuarta:

veges!

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Beirdo:

hehe, and less polluted, I'd bet

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Juski:

and you can prolly understand what they say

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Juski:

;)

[19:57:30]

Beirdo:

well, I'd do better in Manchester

[19:57:31]

Beirdo:

heh

[19:57:34]

Beirdo:

but I do OK

[19:57:42]

Juski:

actually I have more of a problem being understood here

[19:58:04]

Beirdo:

I was listening to a radio show I recorded earlier.... it was in Spanish, and I was shocked to notice that I understood way more of it than I expected

[19:58:07]

Beirdo:

like > 50%

[19:58:16]

Juski:

cool!

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stuarta:

has your brain started thinking in Spanish yet?

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Beirdo:

not yet

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Juski:

well I've gotta go back to trying to take all the stuff off a mobile phone

[19:58:48]

Beirdo:

I'm absorbing it fairly well though

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medwards:

yeah thats the key. I still translate to english in my head.

[19:58:57]

Beirdo:

Juski, use a hammer, it works pretty well

[19:59:20]

Beirdo:

at one point, I was thinking in French as much as English

[19:59:31]

Beirdo:

when I hit that in Spanish, I know there's no turning back

[19:59:59]

Beirdo:

as before, I was in an English area of Canada with nowhere to practise the frog-talk.... well, now... everyone speaks Spanish

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[20:05:18]

asfui:

someone have experiens with audio in mythtv when using a loopback cable for the audio(the one that connect the card with the aux ingress on the motherboard)?

[20:05:44]

gardengnome:

asfui: the official mythtv howto has some, yes.

[20:05:46]

asfui:

i've tried ALSA:default as output and /dev/dsp1 as input but nothing

[20:06:12]

asfui:

gardengnome:i've tried, no so much luck :)

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asfui:

maybe tomorrow mornign it will go better, my mind will be more reposed

[20:08:16]

asfui:

i guess reposed is a exsisting word :)

[20:08:30]

asfui:

my english goes wrong day after day

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asfui:

gardengnome:you intended the digital audio how-to?, i don't remember there is a guide for alsa on mythtv wiki

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asfui:

gardengnome:anyway i'll look for it again

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gardengnome:

the wiki is not the official documentation :)

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asfui:

gardengnome:lol, i found only http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Configuring_Digital_Sound, is that the one you refered?

[20:16:38]

gardengnome:

asfui: no. www.mythtv.org -> Documentation or whatever they call it.

[20:17:09]

asfui:

gardengnome:k, thx

[20:17:14]

asfui:

gardengnome:i'll look

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asfui:

i'll try momorrow, night

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Juski:

pfeh

[20:43:03]

Juski:

IrDA sucks

[20:43:15]

gardengnome:

heh

[20:43:20]

Juski:

I need a bluetooth thingy

[20:43:31]

scopeuk:

bluetooth isent much better

[20:43:36]

scopeuk:

jsut the los issue it fixes

[20:43:44]

Juski:

and one of them bluetooth hands-free things so I can look like a proper cock as I drive along

[20:43:46]

Beirdo:

technology sucks

[20:43:47]

scopeuk:

and adds a million and one bugs and issues with the whole pairing thing

[20:44:04]

scopeuk:

Juski trick is to get a tiny one

[20:44:25]

Juski:

I'm too young for a hearing-aid!

[20:44:37]

Beirdo:

heh

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gardengnome:

you used to be a DJ :)

[20:44:54]

Juski:

"what's that you say, sonny?"

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[20:45:21]

Juski:

actually you're never too young to patronise teenagers

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Beirdo:

Oh I'm sorry... what I said was "HOW'D YOU LIKE TO SUCK MY BALLS, MR. GARRISON?"

[20:45:28]

scopeuk:

think i am

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scopeuk:

at 18 patronising tenagers is takign the piss

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Juski:

nah scopeuk.. as long as you use the right size knife it's all fine

[20:46:23]

scopeuk:

with my uper body strength id break my wrists

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Juski:

yeah gardengnome I _used_ to be a DJ but I'm okay now ;)

[20:47:35]

Beirdo:

hehe

[20:47:42]

scopeuk:

im stil a tech

[20:47:51]

scopeuk:

its like djing minus the skill but much closer to the speakers

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stuarta:

hehe, ever watched "Grumpy Old Men"?

[20:48:27]

scopeuk:

no but i am one

[20:48:31]

Beirdo:

heh

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scopeuk:

god help me when i acctualyl get old

[20:48:38]

Beirdo:

that's a role model for us all

[20:48:52]

Juski:

I love that show!

[20:48:55]

stuarta:

bunch of old blokes bitching about what pisses them off.

[20:49:04]

Juski:

that's me, that is!

[20:49:09]

stuarta:

sadly i sit there and agree with them...

[20:49:21]

Beirdo:

fuckin fire ants

[20:49:34]

Beirdo:

they put a nest in the pot with the fishtail palm tree in it

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xris:

:(

[20:49:53]

xris:

can you buy Grant'

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Beirdo:

I mean, I hate the looks of that palm tree, but dammit, stupid ants

[20:49:59]

xris:

Grant's Ants stuff down there?

[20:50:09]

Beirdo:

haven't seen it

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xris:

that's good stuff

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Juski:

napalm?

[20:50:26]

xris:

heh

[20:50:27]

Beirdo:

I need to get some ant bait so it kills the friggin queen

[20:50:46]

xris:

yeah, that's what Grant's is.. supposed to be the most effective (and it certainly was for me)

[20:50:55]

Beirdo:

I don't mind normal ants, but those stupid fire ants. GRRRR

[20:50:59]

Juski:

dammit this umbongo is nice & all that but all my printouts are too bluey :-/

[20:51:03]

Beirdo:

better than army ants I guess

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Beirdo:

the African army ants that can strip a tethered cow to polished bone in less than a day or something like that

[20:51:43]

** Juski shudders **

[20:51:47]

Beirdo:

yeah

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xris:

so.. svn mythtv trunk checkout, 310M.. svk checkout is 96M with 435M in ~/.svk — but that includes the entire history of mythtv svn

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Beirdo:

I think I'd just napalm the nest if I found army ants

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scopeuk:

why stop there

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scopeuk:

i thinka fuel air ied should do the job nicely

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medwards:

whats the .svk folder?

[20:56:50]

Beirdo:

don't wanna blow the house to shit

[20:56:59]

scopeuk:

depends where the nest is

[20:57:16]

scopeuk:

think id take boom boom house over eaten alive though

[20:57:17]

stuarta:

just pour metho down there.

[20:57:22]

Beirdo:

should just eat beans and gas em out

[20:57:49]

scopeuk:

nice compo of vaporised nitroglisoreen and oxygen whould work

[20:57:54]

scopeuk:

jsut might be a little unstable

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Beirdo:

heh

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gardengnome:

you freaks. :)

[20:58:27]

Beirdo:

well, I've been asked to wash some dishes

[20:58:29]

Beirdo:

BOOOO

[20:58:36]

Beirdo:

so I'd better go do some dishes

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scopeuk:

gardengnome no im jsut a pyromaniac

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gardengnome:

:/

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LoneShadow:

hey scopeuk

[21:00:24]

scopeuk:

?

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stuarta:

scopeuk: you seen the video of the fastest bbq lighting?

[21:00:32]

scopeuk:

dont think so

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LoneShadow:

you the same one from #msntv ?

[21:00:35]

scopeuk:

yup

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scopeuk:

and im jsut as useless in here

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stuarta:

scopeuk: then google it up. bbq, hot coals, liquid oxygen :)

[21:01:10]

scopeuk:

ive seen the trick

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scopeuk:

take it youve all seen the clorine and alcohol vid?

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stuarta:

nope, but I can imagine...

[21:02:27]

scopeuk:

guy bottle clorine + alcohol + shake

[21:02:30]

scopeuk:

guy loses hand

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stuarta:

ouch.

[21:02:38]

LoneShadow:

ooo the site is back up

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scopeuk:

yup

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scopeuk:

not been back long

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LoneShadow:

so you got your box ?

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scopeuk:

no

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scopeuk:

held off till i got a job

[21:03:34]

scopeuk:

then er dident get one

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Juski:

and the fact it'll be your fastest box :-P

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scopeuk:

haha very funny

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scopeuk:

the workstations are resonably quick its jsut my servers/myth that are junk boxen

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Juski:

time to go crazy filling up the 32MB MMC.. woo

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scopeuk:

i acidentaly blew up two of them

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scopeuk:

not sure if i used all the read write cycles

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Juski:

... apart from the fact my 'million-in-one' reader won't actually take an mmc card. suck-kee

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scopeuk:

lol

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scopeuk:

it nto got an sd slot?

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Juski:

it's got all kinds of slots. just no mmc slot

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scopeuk:

mmc go in the sd slot

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scopeuk:

sd is an advancement on mmc its backwards compatable in theory

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Juski:

if I push it in there there'll be no getting it back out by the looks of it

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scopeuk:

try it it goes to far stop

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Juski:

sod it. USB stick, onto laptop, then irda

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scopeuk:

thats where they go on every card reader ive ever used

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scopeuk:

shuder

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scopeuk:

seriously if you can get an sd card back out the sd slto an mmc is recovered the same way

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scopeuk:

onyl difference is mmc is thinner

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Juski:

nah just confirmed it. the card reader was mis-sold to me

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Juski:

had it to bits. all bar 2 of the slots are fake

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Juski:

one is CF (why I bought it) and the other is some wafer thing about the same width as the CF slot

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stuarta:

that's crap.

[21:19:20]

scopeuk:

that whould be smartmedia

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scopeuk:

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scopeuk:

and mmc cards are quite cheap too

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Juski:

this one I got from scam.co.uk

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scopeuk:

ebuyer.com*

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scopeuk:

mean scan*

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Juski:

£5 off ebuyer.com, £15 postage & 2 week delivery. I think I'll pass

[21:20:11]

scopeuk:

bbiab

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scopeuk:

lol

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scopeuk:

its noth that bad

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scopeuk:

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Juski:

they wanted £7 to ship a pvr150 OEM card

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scopeuk:

or was that one free postage

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scopeuk:

wow

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scopeuk:

any way bbiab

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Juski:

kees

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Aid1:

hi

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Juski:

ugh. I am _so_ gonna be dual-booting from tomorrow night. I miss my sound & video editors

[22:17:34]

jhatch:

Anyone here experiencing problems with mythbackend mysteriously dying along with the inability to fast forward / rewind recorded shows? This is ever since I updated Myth from atrpms.

[22:18:20]

scopeuk:

Juski winblows making a comeback

[22:18:21]

scopeuk:

?

[22:18:45]

Anduin:

jhatch: Check your DB.

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stuarta:

jhatch: ff/rew problem means you recordedmarkup table is corrupt. run mysqlcheck

[22:19:18]

Juski:

scopeuk: just tried editing a few clips in audacity... and I miss the ££££ of Soundforge. I bought the damn thing so I may aswell get my money's worth

[22:19:37]

Juski:

jhatch: could also be a timezone/time problem

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scopeuk:

yeh

[22:19:44]

scopeuk:

hmm tried it in wine?

[22:19:56]

Juski:

scopeuk: relies on .net so won't bother

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scopeuk:

fair enough

[22:20:05]

Juski:

oops. it's vegas wot does that

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Juski:

all I wanted to do was add a bit of reverb to the end of a clip, too

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scopeuk:

yeh lifes tough like that

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Juski:

hmmm maybe a quick sudo apt-get install of ladspa will help

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Juski:

yup. horrible though. I'm definitely against going back just for that but it doesn't look like I have a choice

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Beirdo:

odd, I thought there was reverb in audacity

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bmk789:

ok im stumped, still trying to build head

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bmk789:

/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXxf86vm

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stuarta:

*sigh* apt-get install libxxf86vm-dev

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gardengnome:

running svn trunk when you can't even work your distro sounds like a very good idea :)

[22:28:24]

Juski:

Beirdo: with ladspa there is. no presets though, and it's kinda erm.. well...

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jepeltw:

hello everyone

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bmk789:

omg

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Beirdo:

fair enough, Juski

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bmk789:

stuarta: thank you!

[22:29:33]

stuarta:

i've given you 6hrs to work it out :-(

[22:29:34]

jhatch:

stuarta, I repaired the database, but I still cannot ff / rewind – it just jumps to a random point near the beginning of the recording and stays there.

[22:29:37]

Juski:

but hey I'll still be using Linux like 90% of the time at home.. and learning to code (eventually)

[22:30:01]

Beirdo:

I still have one Windows box, primarily for games

[22:30:03]

Juski:

jhatch: like I said.. either TZ issues or time offset between FE & BE

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stuarta:

jhatch: now you need to rebuild the seektables for those recordings. use mythcommflag

[22:30:28]

Juski:

and what stuarta says. he knows

[22:30:40]

Beirdo:

and hell, I paid for XP Pro, I'm gonna use the beotch

[22:30:55]

jhatch:

Juski, Yeah, sorry, I checked the TZ and time and they are corrent. Forgot to mention.

[22:31:10]

scopeuk:

Beirdo i use windows on my "work" station becouse i game alot

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stuarta:

Beirdo: I paid for the bastard so I could test my cards first....

[22:31:12]

Beirdo:

jhatch, you running ntpd on the machines?

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scopeuk:

its jsut too much hastle with linux

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jhatch:

stuarta, so on each recording I just need to run mythcommflag again?

[22:31:29]

jhatch:

Beirdo, yes.

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Beirdo:

gaming and winblows go well together

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stuarta:

jhatch: you need to run mythcommflag --rebuild on affected files

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Beirdo:

and they are well synced? A rebuild of the seek tables sounds right then

[22:32:00]

Juski:

I was trying ET the other night. it's quite crashy on this box

[22:32:19]

scopeuk:

Beirdo its mostly drivers and ofcourse directx

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Juski:

anyway.. time for bed-ish

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Juski:

night all

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Beirdo:

directX is a crock of $hit

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Beirdo:

heh

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jhatch:

stuarta, so assuming all files may be affected, should I just run it on all files in the recordings directory?

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stuarta:

later

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stuarta:

jhatch: test it on one first. if that's it, it won't hurt to do them all

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Beirdo:

all it would cost ya is plenty of CPU time

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stuarta:

mine runs at about 2000fps when rebuilding, so it's not too bad :)

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scopeuk:

gfx cards are highly optomised fordirect x if it had gone nvidias way a few years ago during the 5 series open gl whould take presidence and the markewt whould be VERY diferent

[22:34:46]

Beirdo:

that will do, yes

[22:35:13]

Beirdo:

heh, OpenGL and DirectX basically do the same thing

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jhatch:

Yeah, it's about 1960fps...

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scopeuk:

Beirdo they do but usign diferent calls etc

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kormoc:

scopeuk, ooh? I figured that given directx and opengl get down to the same machine code, it wouldn't matter too much to the gpu

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Beirdo:

yeah, and OpenGL is far more portable

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Beirdo:

the GPU don't care though

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Ediehow:

hi

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Ediehow:

http://www.buyextras.com/setousbco.html

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jhatch:

So, that problem aside, anyone know how to figure out why the backend may be silently dying?

[22:36:12]

Ediehow:

my new computer doesn't have serial ports

[22:36:20]

Ediehow:

should i be able to use that to keep using my serial IR remote?

[22:36:20]

Beirdo:

good for it

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scopeuk:

is it a serial to usb adaptor?

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stuarta:

my computer has no floppy drives *shrug*

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scopeuk:

stuarta i have 5 like that

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Ediehow:

scopeuk: look at that url, it appears so

[22:37:05]

Beirdo:

my computers have no 5.25" floppies. the horror

[22:37:10]

scopeuk:

lol

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Ediehow:

can i safely assume it works in linux

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Beirdo:

buy one and find out for sure, but quite likely will

[22:37:36]

Ediehow:

Beirdo: i am also switching to

[22:37:45]

jhatch:

stuarta, it didn't seem to work, though now it jumps to a different spot in the recording.....

[22:37:48]

Ediehow:

directv soon, and i have a 150 mce

[22:37:59]

Ediehow:

i hear i need some kind of serial thing to the computer for mythtv?

[22:38:18]

Beirdo:

I think it depends on your receiver, but yeah

[22:38:26]

Beirdo:

you can always use IR

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janneg:

jhatch: try mythtranscode --buildindex

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jhatch:

okay.

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Ediehow:

Beirdo: i hear i need to do something in order to get myth to be able to change channels with it?

[22:39:13]

Beirdo:

probably

[22:39:29]

Beirdo:

I'm sure google can help with specifics

[22:39:36]

Ediehow:

http://www.epinions.com/pr-Keyspan_USB_usa-19 . . . opinion_list

[22:39:40]

Ediehow:

that one doesn't work in linux, apparently

[22:39:40]

Beirdo:

I remember hearing something about direct serial control though

[22:40:27]

Ediehow:

i wonder if that means i need two of these adapters, then

[22:40:34]

** Beirdo shrugs **

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Beirdo:

probably wouldn't hurt if they work

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jhatch:

janneg, I get Unknown video codec:

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jhatch:

me.

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Ediehow:

man, i wish there was a way to find out if it works w/linux before ordering

[22:43:06]

bmk789:

it should

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bmk789:

you google it?

[22:44:02]

janneg:

jhatch: just as message or does mythtranscode fail?

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jhatch:

janneg, it fails.

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Ediehow:

of course bmk

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Ediehow:

i can't get any answer

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Ediehow:

this other usb/serial adapter, two people said for sure doesn't work in linux

[22:50:15]

Ediehow:

that's why i am curious

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Ediehow:

errr

[22:52:32]

Ediehow:

hmm

[22:52:36]

Ediehow:

a house brand for $5.99

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janneg:

jhatch: the recording seems to be broken. what type of capture card do you use?

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evilDagmar:

Jeez buy a serial card

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Ediehow:

nah, i just ordered one

[23:15:24]

evilDagmar:

Wastin' yer money

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bmk789:

ugh

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bmk789:

error while loading shared libraries: libmythtv-0.19.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

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bmk789:

anyone? please

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lircnoob:

is that library present on your box?

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bmk789:

i just build and installed

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lircnoob:

ok, what distro are you running?

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Ediehow:

evilDagmar: it's a waste of money to buy a 10 dollar usb to serial converter?

[23:27:03]

bmk789:

kubuntu

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lircnoob:

i think that library belongs in /usr/lib/

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lircnoob:

can you see if it exists?

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russellb:

it's probably in /usr/local/lib, instead

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russellb:

rebuild with ... ./configure --prefix=/usr && sudo make install

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Ediehow:

new comp has no serial ports, and i need one for my remote.

[23:28:34]

lircnoob:

Ediehow, the only usb => serial converter i know of the works well is a pl2032 chip

[23:28:39]

bmk789:

ok ill try that, thank you

[23:28:40]

lircnoob:

be careful which converter you buy

[23:28:53]

Ediehow:

i just read that this one works in linux

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Ediehow:

so i hope it does

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gardengnome:

bmk789: please RTFM!

[23:30:23]

lircnoob:

I have some basic questions about lirc. specifically, if i already have an install on my box that gentoo emerged for me, can i rebuild the kernel modules (for lirc_serial) off of a copy of the same version (0.8.0) of lirc and use them to transmit?

[23:30:32]

russellb:

gardengnome: that's so lame ...

[23:31:04]

Beirdo:

russellb, when people don't read the documentation, eventually it comes to that

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lircnoob:

bmk789, pay no attention to the rtfm question.... tfm varies by what document you read and who you've talked to. the instructions you followed *may* not have been complete

[23:31:36]

Ediehow:

lircnoob: SBT-USC1M is model i think

[23:31:38]

russellb:

the way i look at it, is if you aren't interested in helping someone for whatever reason, then don't

[23:31:44]

Ediehow:

http://sewelldirect.com/usb-to-serial-pl-2303H.asp

[23:31:47]

Ediehow:

it says it works w/linux there?

[23:31:58]

lircnoob:

btw, instead of rebuilding, you could try to copy over the library to /usr/lib/ and see what happens...

[23:31:58]

Ediehow:

"This adapter uses the older Prolific PL-2303H chipset,"

[23:31:59]

bmk789:

ya ive looked all over the wiki, couldnt find anything that really helped

[23:32:10]

Beirdo:

the wiki isn't the documentation

[23:32:20]

lircnoob:

yup

[23:32:39]

Led-Hed:

will a pcHDTV tuner Output to a HD Monitor without recording to disk?

[23:32:49]

Beirdo:

anyways, the most likely issue is that you need to add /usr/local/lib to /etc/ld.so.conf, then run ldconfig

[23:32:57]

lircnoob:

Led-Hed, no

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Led-Hed:

:(

[23:33:26]

lircnoob:

it's just a pci tuner... no outputs on it

[23:33:52]

Beirdo:

that was to you, bmk789 (BTW)

[23:33:54]

Agrajag-:

hey not long ago someone pasted a link to a place selling pci nvidia fx5?00 cards for $29.. anyone happen to konw where that was?

[23:33:57]

Led-Hed:

so it relies on your Video Card to send the signal to a Plasma TV

[23:33:58]

Ediehow:

lircnoob: did you mean pl2302?

[23:34:05]

lircnoob:

yeah, that's the one

[23:34:07]

Ediehow:

i mean

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Ediehow:

lircnoob: did you mean pl2303?

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lircnoob:

lysdexia strikes again

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bmk789:

Beirdo: im checkin it out

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Ediehow:

i am not sure there's a 2302

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Ediehow:

the driver i think is pl2303

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gardengnome:

umm. guys. if you're gonna run svn trunk, then you should have read the documentation – and then you'd seen the paragraph that tells you to add /usr/local/lib/ to /etc/ld.so.conf.

[23:34:46]

Beirdo:

I'm sure it's in the documentation, yes

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Ediehow:

http://koti.mbnet.fi/lonnberg/pl2303x.html

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Ediehow:

yeah, there we go

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Ediehow:

bbl

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Beirdo:

the FM which should be R'd

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Agrajag-:

Beirdo: i can't find a link to search the irc logs, is there one?

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Beirdo:

especially if you choose to run SVN trunk code

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Led-Hed:

are there PC HD tuners that will output directly to a Plasma TV via Component Video

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jams:

Led-Hed- using xine it will

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Beirdo:

Agrajag-, not yet...

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** Beirdo gives xris the evil eye **

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Beirdo:

BUT

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lircnoob:

Led-Hed, those type of tuners are "set top box" tuners

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Beirdo:

!help search

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Led-Hed:

lircnoob: thats what I'm looking for, only I want to conceal it within my Frontend

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Agrajag-:

search $29

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lircnoob:

but you have to be sure you get one that has a functional firewire out if you want to be able to capture it to your pc

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Beirdo:

so /msg MythLogBot search $29

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Beirdo:

worth a try

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xris:

Beirdo: ?

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Beirdo:

Agrajag- was asking about a web frontend to search the irc logs :)

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bmk789:

ok that fixed it, sorry for bein such a n00b

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Beirdo:

errr, make that /msg MythLogBot search #mythtv-users $29

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Led-Hed:

Basically I want to use my Frontend on one Input and OTA HDTV on another, but I want the OTA Tuner to be a PCI card in my Frontend

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Beirdo:

sorry

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lircnoob:

Led-Hed, you're not gonna get that out of a pci card

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lircnoob:

nobody makes a device (that i know of) that suits both purposes

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Led-Hed:

:<

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jhatch:

janneg, sorry it took so long to respond, I had to run out for a bit... My capture card is a pcHDTV 2000. I'm pulling only ATSC. The recording plays just fine, and I can seek using mplayer just fine too. What media player does Myth use while playing back recorded TV?

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kormoc:

Led-Hed, well, in any case, your frontend will also become a backend too

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lircnoob:

people make dedicated devices taht will output to an hdtv, and they make pci cards that output to a file on your pc.

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Beirdo:

holy crap that took a while

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Beirdo:

36s

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Agrajag-:

Beirdo: hmm it came up with results that don't have "$29" in them.. do i need to escape the $?

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jams:

Led-Hed- are you looking to use the hd3000 to record any programs?

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Led-Hed:

I dont need it to do both, just output to a TV but in a PCI card formfactor

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Led-Hed:

jams, no

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kormoc:

Led-Hed, so get a pci videocard

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Beirdo:

Hmmm, I think 3 characters may be too small for a fulltext search

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Beirdo:

and sure, try escaping

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jams:

Led-Hed- like I said before, use xine

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Led-Hed:

kormoc: What good will a PCI videocard do? It cant accept ATSC signal

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lircnoob:

just curious, Led-Hed, why do you not want to capture the data, then output it?

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xris:

Beirdo: it's there if you know the URL format. :)

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lircnoob:

(via pc, not via physical connection to the capture card)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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jams:

it's in the 3000 docs on how to use it

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xris:

I'll have to fix it when I get back from vacation

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Agrajag-:

xris: enlighten me :)

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Beirdo:

OK, sounds like a plan :)

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Beirdo:

we are all busy types, I realize :)

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kormoc:

Led-Hed, but it can output to the tv, and then you just get a card that can input to the pc

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Led-Hed:

lircnoob: too complicated to try and get the pcHDTV tunner so only work with the Plasma. Other non HDTV's in my house may occupy it

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kormoc:

<Led-Hed> I dont need it to do both, just output to a TV but in a PCI card formfactor

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kormoc:

I was saying in response to that,

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Led-Hed:

Basically I need a set top HDTV tuner in the form of a PCI card

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lircnoob:

Led-Hed, perhaps you're not fully getting the point of mythtv. it's a PVR type app... you capture, then replay whatever media stream you're interested in.

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kormoc:

Led-Hed, you're not gonna get a card that does that

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Led-Hed:

lircnoob: Oh I get it. 1tb of storage, 4x PVR250's 4 frontends.. I get it

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lircnoob:

the type of functionality you're asking for is not made in a pci card. what you're asking for is a dedicated hdtv reciever that has nothing to do with a computer, except that you want it installed in a computer for some reason.

[23:42:30]

xris:

Beirdo: you need to add a command to the bot so it can tell you the URL of the logs...

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kormoc:

Led-Hed, no-one makes tuner cards designed to go directly out of a computer

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Beirdo:

!notify

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kormoc:

it defeats the reason to put it in a computer

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Beirdo:

!notice

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MythLogBot:

This channel (#mythtv-users) is logged — http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1

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Beirdo:

there

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Beirdo:

like that?

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kormoc:

oh noes, the channel is on notice!

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Led-Hed:

kormoc: they make them in non HDTV flavors

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kormoc:

Led-Hed, ooh? for example?

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Led-Hed:

hold, I'll find onw

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Led-Hed:

one

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lircnoob:

so, what is the best way to use lirc for an IR remote as well as a serial IR blaster?

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Led-Hed:

homebrew

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xris:

Agrajag-: /search?chanid=1&startime=DATE&endtime=DATE&s=SEARCH

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lircnoob:

i've gotten either of them up in my house, but i want the second encoder card to work, so i need to get the frontend box working with both

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xris:

only "s" is required

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Agrajag-:

xris: cheers

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Agrajag-:

i'll try that

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bmk789:

its finally running, thanks for your help everyone

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lircnoob:

have fun bmk789

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Beirdo:

the searches may or may not be slow

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Led-Hed:

kormoc: maybe your right. I was thinking of tunners that dont have hardware mpeg2 encoders. Only they use soft encoders, so they still put it to disk before playback

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Agrajag-:

they seem a lot faster than the irc one.. but they dont return any results

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xris:

Agrajag-: then something's not right

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Beirdo:

which is odd as they use the same query

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Beirdo:

let me see if the database is corrupt, one sec

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** xris goes afk **

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Beirdo:

the linode DID reboot spontaneously overnight

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Beirdo:

and there are almost 1.2M records of IRC logs

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Agrajag-:

it returns stuff when i search for 'agrajag'.. but not $29, which the irc one does (although i couldn't find "$29" in the results the irc bot gave me)

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Beirdo:

the database is OK though

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Beirdo:

one sec

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jams:

lircnoob- http://iguanaworks.net/ir/ only requires one instance or lirc

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Beirdo:

Agrajag-, approximately how long ago was that, do you remember?

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Agrajag-:

how long ago was what?

[23:51:26]

Beirdo:

the URL you were looking for

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Agrajag-:

oh.. possibly around a month ago

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Beirdo:

K, one sec

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Agrajag-:

it was for an nvidia fx5700 (possible.. or 5200 or 5something00), i think $29

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Agrajag-:

PCI

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quinkin:

Has anyone else had any issues with a working MythTV frontend on Debian Testing degenerating into eternal prebuffering playing live tv or recordings? I used to run at around 50% cpu but now the cpu is completely consumed. Of course the exact same recordings work flawlessly using mplayer (with xv and alsa as per myth).

[23:54:07]

lircnoob:

jams: i like the transciever you linked to... i only see lirc config info for winlirc

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Beirdo:

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/NVIDIA-GeForce-FX5200- . . . cmdZViewItem

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Beirdo:

it may have been that

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jams:

it's configured just like any other serial lirc device

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Beirdo:

although that's $50

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Agrajag-:

Beirdo: it wasn't ebay, was an online store

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Beirdo:

ah

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Beirdo:

sorry, I don't see it in simple searches, Agrajag-

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Beirdo:

:(

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Agrajag-:

hmm ok. thanks anyway

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