Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, August 8th, 2006, 00:01 UTC

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Juski:

hokay. maybe someone can answer this for me before I explode... posting questions in the wiki... is that allowed?

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scott_:

ok guys youve helped me amazingly before and im back one more time :S LIRC this time.. im close already so i dont think it's hard to fix

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scott_:

i recorded my own lircd.conf with irrecord, and when i run irw every button comes up as i set it

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: Got an example of what you mean ?

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scott_:

i put lircd.conf in /etc/

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scott_:

and had to make my own hardware.conf (which doesnt seem right) and put it in /etc/lirc/

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scott_:

set it to listen to /dev/input/event3

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Juski:

GreyFoxx: sure: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Talk:Configuring_TV_output

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scott_:

and when i run mythtv i only get the number buttons and the OK button working.. it seems to be listening to basic linux IR support

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scott_:

because those buttons work even in a terminal window

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Juski:

the wiki wasn't supposed to be a support forum last time I checked ;)

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scott_:

or here 11111 see? lol

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Juski:

scott_: did you just ask about this on the mythtvtalk forum?

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scott_:

oh and my lircrc file is in /home/scott/.mythtv/ and the spelling is correct case for the Buttons

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scott_:

yes I did

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: 100% agree :)

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scott_:

but i stupidly forgot about this place

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Juski:

I wish I could forget about this stupid place :-P

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scott_:

Juski: haha nice wordplay

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Juski:

GreyFoxx: what's the official line?

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scott_:

Juski: this place saved my life when i was compiling 0.19

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Juski:

scott_: I'll get to your issue in a sec... I need to nail the idiot who posted a question in the wiki

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scott_:

Juski: DOH...

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: Well, imho that post should be to the lists, not the wiki. I'm pretty sure Isaac would agree

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GreyFoxx:

The wiki is not meant to be a web forumn

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Beirdo:

ewwww, forum?

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Juski:

right.

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Juski:

scott_: so, the output of irw is spot on and every button def. aligns with the lircrc file, right?

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scott_:

yes, though i should ask, can i omit buttons from lircrc or do they all have to be mapped

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Juski:

you can miss out as many as you like

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Juski:

obviously unmapped ones won't work :-P

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scott_:

so i could just even have one button mapped for test purposes

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Juski:

yeh in theory

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scott_:

say, the record button, because it's the main one whose unwillingness to work is really grinding my gears

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Juski:

before we go any further I need to ask whether or not you've messed with myth's keymappings at all

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scott_:

no i went in there and when i tried to change a key, i pressed the remote button and it said it wasnt recognised

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scott_:

i made sure not to change anything

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Juski:

I've heard that one before... so you reckon all the keys are defaults...

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scott_:

yes

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a1fa|64:

damn it

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Juski:

mkay

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a1fa|64:

i dont know where to put my gigabit switch

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a1fa|64:

:(

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Beirdo:

a1fa|64, how about in my office?

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Juski:

a1fa|64: I could tell you, but you don't wanna hear it

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a1fa|64:

Beirdo: whats the shipping addy

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a1fa|64:

i need it

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a1fa|64:

bad

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

what's wrong with it?

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a1fa|64:

but i dont want to fuck with the cables i got around the apartment

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Juski:

put it in your home's node zero if you have one :-P

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Juski:

anyway...

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a1fa|64:

i dont want to re-route my packets through the mythbox

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Beirdo:

heh

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a1fa|64:

cos my xbox is by the tv

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Beirdo:

now to add a BIT more code to gputrans while half-ass watching Law & Order

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a1fa|64:

is the cc working now?

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Juski:

scott_: if what irw prints out & what's in the lircrc file agree in terms of button defs, I dunno what the issue can be other than you've accidentally screwed mythfrontend's keymapping

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Beirdo:

cc?

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gambler:

any aussie mythtv users around?

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gambler:

question about tvguide.org.au data...

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scott_:

Juski: the keymappings are still there, for instance Record is still mapped to R in mythfrontends setup screens

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gambler:

have downloaded a tv.xml file from tvguide.org.au but it seems to have alot of errors. Is this typical with tvguide.org.au data?

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Juski:

gambler: if you ever look at the -users' mailing list, you'll see aussie tv grabbers are a contentious issue

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Juski:

scott_: fairy nuff

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scott_:

Juski: am i looking at a reinstall here

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gambler:

Juski: is accuracy one of the issues under contention?

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scott_:

Juski: is it enough just to do the configure, make , make install again?

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a1fa|64:

damn my gbe switch is nice

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Juski:

scott_: if some keys work, that won't be much help

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scott_:

Juksi: oh yes, if I press R it records just fine, it wont work from my remote however!

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Juski:

scott_: I'll have another look at your lircrc file on the forum & ask you to post your lircd.conf in a pastebin

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scott_:

ill do both for you just now

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scott_:

thank you

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Juski:

scott_: I don't know if the lircrc config definitions are case sensitive, but all of mine are lower case in my (working) lircrc file

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scott_:

Juski: I've seen far too many samples with capitals either at the start of each word or completely

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Juski:

scott_: I dunno if it matters yet but it's a possible avenue to explore

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scott_:

http://pastebin.ca/121437 this is my /etc/lircd.conf

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scott_:

http://pastebin.ca/121439 this is my /home/scott/.mythtv/lircrc

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Juski:

scott_: so the arrows, select & number buttons the only working ones?

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scott_:

that is correct

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Juski:

maybe try changing the 'non-name' definitions (e.g. 'M') to lower case.. just as an experiment

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scott_:

volume acts as a global volume control which means ubuntu is listening

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scott_:

im sorry i dont follow.. change the actual keyboard letters to lower case?

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Juski:

e.g.

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Juski:

change button = Pause config = P to button = Pause config = p

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scott_:

ok

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scott_:

do i have to restart lirc after changes

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Juski:

nope

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Juski:

restart mythfrontend though I think

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scott_:

ok two seconds

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Juski:

when you say the volume buttons work as a 'global' volume control.. do you mean on the ubuntu desktop without mythtv running?

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scott_:

yep that's correct. (that changing to lowercase didnt work)

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Juski:

sounds to me like the remote is less lirc and more of a HID

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scott_:

im pretty sure i had it working at one point in 0.18

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scott_:

but is there a reconfiguring i could do?

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Juski:

hmmm. if you stop lirc do you still get output from the remote as if it were a keyboard?

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scott_:

35555 yes :p

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Juski:

if so, that'd be the cause of the problem

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Juski:

there are 2 ways you can tackle this

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Juski:

1. stop the remote receiver acting like a keyboard (not sure how you'd do that, being a lifelong user of lirc_serial), or

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Juski:

2. remap the HID received keys to 'real' keypresses for the keys which don't work

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scott_:

so basically find out how ubuntu is mapping these keys and add more to them?

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Juski:

actually a 3rd way... you could use xev & findout what the keycodes are, then redefine myth's keymapping to include them

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medwards:

JUSKI!

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medwards:

I just watched Head of State

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Juski:

medwards!

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medwards:

You know why I'm able to watch terribly bad movies like that? CUZ OF MY MYTHTV 0.20 box.

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medwards:

I got FADING MENUS and shit man.

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medwards:

Can't beat it.

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medwards:

Fading Menus are elite.

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scott_:

Juski: xev only gives me responses for the keys that ubuntu knows about, ie. number keys, volume and power

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Juski:

ah

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JohnQ:

They lied! Circuit city does *not* have my covetted PVR-500. Looks like no instant gratification for me. I'll have to go with ordering online. Sigh.

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Juski:

medwards: you've not seen http://www.rasterman.com/files/rage2.avi have you? ;)

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Juski:

scott_: which remote & tuner card is this?

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scott_:

so im asuming you guys are american, i wasted hours today on youtube watching the daily show.. man i'd love to call that show my own

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medwards:

oh shit. OH SHIT WHAT IS THAT CRAZY STUFF AND WHEN DOES IT GO IN THE TREE

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scott_:

Juski: Hauppauge WinTV Nova-T PCI (new model)

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Juski:

scott_: we get the Daily Show on More4 ya know

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medwards:

scott_: Canadian, but we love the Daily Show too out of a nearly national disrespect for Bush.

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medwards:

The Daily Show makes it so we can laugh instead of cry. But we're all crying on the inside.

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Juski:

medwards: somebody somewhere is looking forward to some patches :-P

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JohnQ:

Where more americans get their news than probably should.

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** JohnQ is one of them **

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medwards:

dude I'm going to script this stuff up and I can have uber-uptodate packages on a command

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scott_:

well im just getting mythtv setup to start watching my freeview

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medwards:

Dude, just watch BBC World

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Juski:

scott_: it's at this point I have to bow out to google for tips on this

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medwards:

or even try to get our national channel

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D-side:

so. I'm considering using a G3 iMac for a mythtv frontend.

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D-side:

is that the dumbest idea ever or what?

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scott_:

ok i thank you for your time, i have tried googling too but it's just not working out for me

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medwards:

D-side: no man, it'd be elite. What would be dumb is expecting us to actually be useful when it breaks :P

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Juski:

scott_: http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu2.php

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Beirdo:

D-side, what CPU speed of G3?

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medwards:

Dude you could be the IRC guy who we're all like "That guy's running mythtv on an IMAC. Don't mess with him or he'll rmmod your ass.

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D-side:

Beirdo: oh god. 400 or 450

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Beirdo:

good luck :)

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D-side:

with what part?

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Beirdo:

I tried on my iBook 400MHz G3

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D-side:

mpeg2 decoding?

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Beirdo:

mind you, I was also trying over 802.11b

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scott_:

Juski: yes i've seen that and all the steps followed fine apart from evtest. I see he mentions breezy so i assume it's quite and old guide

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Beirdo:

so it may have been the network

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D-side:

oh hell.

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Beirdo:

yeah, the decoding was... chunky

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D-side:

i wouldnt do anything as silly as that. :)

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Beirdo:

but give it a shot, if wired :)

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D-side:

you never tried it over wired?

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Beirdo:

nah

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D-side:

not even out of curiosity?

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Juski:

scott_: don't assume that the ubuntu packagers keep stuff as up to date as that ;)

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Beirdo:

not yet, got too many other things to deal with

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D-side:

ugh, you could have done me a huge favor, whats wrong with you? :D

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Beirdo:

heh

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scott_:

Juski : haha well.. anyway i cant see where i've gone wrong at all... and i dont think i have even.. i assume if irw works then the remote and receiver are working fine, it's just mythtv that's being testy

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medwards:

scott_: I found a few decent Dapper HOWTOs and I ended up with a working box.

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D-side:

i should probably bump from 384 to 512.

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medwards:

I have Dapper 0.20 debs btw

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D-side:

Beirdo: oh, and also: considering using framebuffer instead of X playback. :)

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medwards:

You can't beat fading menus :P

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scott_:

medwards: 0.20??? what on earth?

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Beirdo:

might help, D-side

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scott_:

medwards: do the debs have dvb support enabled?

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Beirdo:

0.20 doesn't exist yet

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Beirdo:

last I heard

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medwards:

The SVN tree is called 0.20

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medwards:

according to the wiki

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Juski:

scott_: I doubt it... if lircd isn't running, does mythfrontend whine about it not running (can't connect to socket, see preceding messages crap) ?

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Beirdo:

the SVN will become 0.20 as soon as the release is created

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Beirdo:

it's kinda 0.20-pre now

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medwards:

Yeah they're 0.20 AFAIC

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Goose-BA:

Beirdo maybe you can be assistance

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Goose-BA:

whenever i schedule a show to record it stops recording after a while. DOesnt stop at any specific time it just stops the recording at random times

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Beirdo:

any specific filesize?

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scott_:

Juski: there's no mention of lirc or remotes of any kind in my mythfrontend output

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Goose-BA:

Beirdo: nope

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Beirdo:

hmm, dunno then

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Goose-BA:

:(

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scott_:

Juski: should mention that i made a custom script that just uses the full directory of my new mythfrontend after the upgrade

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jams:

scott_- is myth compiled with lirc support?

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Juski:

scott_: what jams said :-)

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jams:

ldd mythfronted |grep lirc

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scott_:

well i didnt specify because the option in configure is --disable-lirc

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scott_:

so i assume leaving it out means it's enabled by default

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Juski:

if mythfrontend doesn't complain about lirc not running when lircd isn't running, there's a problem

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scott_:

i had hair this morning.......................

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jepeltw:

hello all, I'm following the Ubuntu Dapper howto from the mythtv.org wiki, and am finding a few packages like mplayer-586 and mythtv to be missing

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medwards:

add multiverse and universe to your repos

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medwards:

Do you know how?

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scott_:

i'll get this one

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scott_:

i never get to help

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jepeltw:

I think I did, but I'll double check

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Juski:

look at the online ubuntu docs to find out

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jams:

scott_- that ldd command will tell you if it's compiled with lirc support

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scott_:

System – Administration – Synaptic Package Manager

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scott_:

type your root password

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scott_:

go to settings – repositories

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Juski:

(your OWN password, actually)

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scott_:

go to Edit and check community maintaind and non-free

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scott_:

then tick remaining boxes in the channels window

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scott_:

then reload packages

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scott_:

or do sudo apt-get update in terminal

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scott_:

jams: what ldd command??

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jams:

ldd /usr/local/bin/mythfrontend |grep lirc

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jams:

change the path to mythfrontend to fit your system

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scott_:

nothing...

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medwards:

Who knows anything about the current ROMDB for MythGame?

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scott_:

how do i go about enabling it?

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scott_:

if the only option in ./configure is for disabling it

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medwards:

I have questions and would like someone who has answers :P

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Juski:

scott_: do you have liblirc-dev installed? (IIRC)

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Juski:

duh...

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scott_:

Juski: no... how about liblircclient-dev

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Juski:

that'd be it

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scott_:

it wasnt installed

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scott_:

im confused

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scott_:

it works...

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scott_:

just not in mythtv

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Juski:

it works, because of the HID stuff.. it's acting like a keyboard

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scott_:

so you think i should recompile now?

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Juski:

I'm more surprised that ./configure didn't choke about the lirc source not being found though

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Juski:

yep

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scott_:

ok.. thanks for your help :)

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Juski:

damn those clever IR HID devices ;)

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jams:

I would run configure and look at the output to see if it's picked up lirc

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scott_:

ok ill let you know

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scott_:

yeah who would want THAT enabled by default in their os

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scott_:

man alive...

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scott_:

hey look at me , i can type numbers in the console without touching the keyboard! wooooooooo

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Juski:

I can do that just by _thinking_ (if I'm pissed enough)

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Juski:

:-P

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scott_:

haha

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scott_:

Juski: will you please take a look at my configure output and give me any extra recommendations

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Juski:

aye go on then

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scott_:

I'm using an Nvidia Geforce 6600GT so i was wondering what those xvmc things were

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scott_:

http://pastebin.ca/121460

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Juski:

scott_: if you have like > 1ghz cpu and you're running with sdtv you don't really need xvmc

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scott_:

ok that covers that

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Juski:

dvd playback could be handy to have

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scott_:

how do i get that

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scott_:

libdvdplay0-dev

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scott_:

?

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Juski:

probably

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scott_:

and libdvdread3-dev

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Juski:

I think that'd just be for the internal dvd player

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Juski:

(which is coming along lots btw)

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scott_:

so i can go ahead with the make now then

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scott_:

they didnt enable dvd playback..

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scott_:

not too worried

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Juski:

no ALSA?

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Juski:

sure?

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scott_:

i have an onboard nvidia sound chip and an audigy

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scott_:

should I?

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Juski:

umbongo makes alsa stuff very easy IME, so why not?

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scott_:

ok i got dvd playback and also enabled

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scott_:

make takes about 6/7 mins

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Juski:

wow. I need a faster cpu

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scott_:

lol dual core processors just bombed recently

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scott_:

im quite upset

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Juski:

on my athlon 800 it takes ummm... fucking AGES

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scott_:

yeah well my dad bought me a pc a couple of years ago when i was leaving for uni.. some get a car.. i get a pc

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Juski:

mythtv, plugins took hours & hours to compile last weekend. since I've gone to dapper on my desktop I think I'll run distcc on this baby

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scott_:

distcc sounds like such an amazing thing

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scott_:

im studying software engineering but i've still 2 years to go

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Juski:

used it before – it's dead easy (I mean I did it)

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scott_:

things like that boggle my brain

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EvilDonkey:

Could anyone tell me where the jitter reduction and experimental a/v sync options are supposed to be located?

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threat2:

hey

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EvilDonkey:

and if they wouldn't be there for any reason?

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Juski:

EvilDonkey: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/mythtv-vid ? ?

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JohnQ:

will anything bad happen if I change the password of the mythtv user?

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Juski:

JohnQ: yes if you don't tell the frontends & backend it's changed

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radi0head:

Anyone here start mythbackend as user, at bootup?

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scott_:

I do, and nice name too :P

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scott_:

I'm going to see radiohead in dublin on the 24th

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JohnQ:

hmm.. so if I wanted to make a user with no password which would just automagically start mythfrontend when you log in, I should do it with a differed user like "tv" or something

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radi0head:

scott_; fu! :(

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scott_:

:s im sorry...

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Juski:

oo I've uploaded half a gig of the LRL video torrent :)

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scott_:

i wasnt aware you could make a user with no password

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Juski:

you can, but it's not advised. there are ways & means to effect autologins

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Juski:

even then die-hards don't advise you do it ;)

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scott_:

if youre just a normal home user and want to use mythtv in your normal computing environment, you can set your username to autologin at bootup and have mythbackend and mythfrontend in your sessions startup

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Juski:

righty then. I'm back off to bed. nn all. good luck scott_

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scott_:

aww crap and just when i got a compile error toi

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scott_:

too

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radi0head:

scott_; Hey, I tried using su in my init scripts to start it as user, what did you do to start it as user?

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scott_:

well you have to set your mythtv-setup and mysql to use your normal login name

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scott_:

instead of root like most guides tell you

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radi0head:

It still will start it as root if I put it in my initscripts.

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WAR_CH|LD:

has anyone had any success in getting a DVICO HD Fusion Dual Digital working?

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WAR_CH|LD:

i'm using the latest mercuical and i'm having no luck. :(

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WAR_CH|LD:

ok, so I've tried using the 2.6.17.4 and the 2.6.17.7 kernel modules and I get a failed frontend initialization

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WAR_CH|LD:

if I try the Mercurial I get the following, http://pastebin.ca/121404. (put it in a pastebin, lots of unknown symbol errors) can anyone help me out here?

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scott_:

radi0head: i dont know if that works or not because i added myself as a user in mysql and gave myself admin rights to mythconverg

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radi0head:

scott_; I don't think you understand what I want. mythbackend starts fine as user, all I want it to start it at bootup, as "user".

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radi0head:

s/it/is

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scott_:

it works fine for me in my session startup programs

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radi0head:

something like su "username" and the on the next line: /usr/bin/mythbackend -d

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radi0head:

s/the/then

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scott_:

you could make a little script

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scott_:

and put that in your session startup

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scott_:

like

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jepeltw:

ah, the proper way would be su username -c command

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radi0head:

yeah I know, there's just one problem, after the su "username" it doesn't execute the next command except if I "exit' the user.

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radi0head:

jepeltw; ty, trying it now.

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radi0head:

jepeltw; I use su -c often, but always for root.

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scott_:

anyone know what this is all about?

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scott_:

"/libmythavcodec-0.19.so: undefined reference to `XvMCLoadQMatrix'

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jams:

might need a make clean or distclean

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scott_:

oooh yes

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scott_:

thank you

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a1fa|64:

this is gay

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a1fa|64:

1000 mbps full speed.. transfering at 300kb/s

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kormoc:

is't that a part of XvMCW?

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scott_:

yes but i have them all installed, im pretty sure the distclean will work, thanks

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scott_:

alfa|64: that's the same as me, im lucky to get over 200 on azureus even... newsgroups are your friend

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radi0head:

jepeltw; It works, but it gives me those errors: Channel(/dev/v4l/video0)::Open(): Can't open video device, error "Permission denied" BTW, it works fine if I start it from the said user, instead of using su.

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kormoc:

radi0head, so fix the permissions on the file?

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a1fa|64:

scott_: is your dma enabled?

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radi0head:

kormoc; No, it works fine as the said user. Only with su that I get those.

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medwards:

Full cable is going to rot my head... can't beleive I'm watching Enterprise

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kormoc:

radi0head, ls -l /dev/v4l/video0

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scott_:

alfa|64: it is indeed

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a1fa|64:

scott_: mine is not

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a1fa|64:

i should be able to get at least couple of mb/s

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BenB:

medwards: and the opposite of mindrot, but still on TV, would be?

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scott_:

alfa|64: I wouldnt think it would matter

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kormoc:

a1fa|64, from what source?

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jams:

radi0head- are you using "su -" or "su"

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a1fa|64:

1000mbps full ethernet

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radi0head:

kormoc; It's owned by root, but how come it works as user (when i'm logged in) and not from root using su to launch it as that same user?

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radi0head:

jams; I tried both.

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kormoc:

radi0head, donno... I would assume that something is screwy setup

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radi0head:

kormoc; I highly doubt it.

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radi0head:

Let me try something.

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jams:

hehe

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medwards:

West Wing likely

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medwards:

or BSG

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medwards:

Oh, docs on the History Channel + my daily show fix

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scott_:

possible stupid question : if you use transmitted EIT for your guide, do you ever have to mythfilldatabase

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a1fa|64:

fuckkkk

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BenB:

medwards: I like Galactica a lot, but it's not exactly brain food. ST: TNG was.

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a1fa|64:

its taking me two minutes to transfer a 600mb file on gigabit network :)

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medwards:

I think Galactica was better than all the Treks.

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BenB:

medwards: I don't know West Wing, need to check it out

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medwards:

inparticular this terrible Enterprise episode that reminds me of TOS

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BenB:

medwards: what was thoughtful about BSG?

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scott_:

I was watching daily show clips on youtube all day and stumbled on his 9/11 speech and really killed my mood haha.. was good though

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a1fa|64:

hehee

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a1fa|64:

not bad

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a1fa|64:

i transfered 700 mb in two minutes

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scott_:

that sounds like a long time actually

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a1fa|64:

yeah

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a1fa|64:

on a gbit network

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BenB:

a1fa|64: LAN or internet?

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scott_:

you sure it's not operating at a lower speed?

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a1fa|64:

LAN

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a1fa|64:

nope

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tjcarter:

hmm, this is a longshot, but does anyone know where I can find a cassette player that can play back at exactly twice the speed of a normal cassette player?

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scott_:

are both interfaces gigabit

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tjcarter:

3.75 in/sec

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a1fa|64:

speed: 1000

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a1fa|64:

yes

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BenB:

tjcarter: yes. use a normal one, connect to soundcard, play back the WAV at 2x speed.

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a1fa|64:

both interfaces are 1gbs full

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scott_:

interesting

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adante:

<3 the west wing

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scott_:

long shot.. is the cable old

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tjcarter:

BenB: actually, the goal is to connect to soundcard and half the speed.

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a1fa|64:

scott_: brand new cable

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a1fa|64:

are you fucking with me?

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tjcarter:

BenB: or in this case, actually, quarter it.

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scott_:

haha what?? im just covering the bases

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BenB:

tjcarter: heh

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scott_:

do they go via a router or direct

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tjcarter:

BenB: if it does auto-reverse-once, so much the better.

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jepeltw:

how does one add the mythtv user to mysql? the dapper howto seems to have missed that step

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tjcarter:

intended for fast import of 15/16 in/sec cassettes.

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BenB:

scott_: if switch and driver are OK, more likely it's something in the host, e.g. the software or disk.

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a1fa|64:

switch in between

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a1fa|64:

there is a switch in between them

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scott_:

jepeltw: in your browser type localhost, click phpmyadmin

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scott_:

if it's not there tell me

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a1fa|64:

netgear.. brand new switch

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BenB:

a1fa|64: gigabit switch, right? (they are expensive)

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scott_:

driver is possible yes

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regicide666:

Anyone know where if it is anywhere the joystickmenurc.example file is in gentoo?

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a1fa|64:

BenB: $44

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a1fa|64:

BenB: $44 for 8 port gbit

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defaultro:

mchou?

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BenB:

scott_, a1fa|64: normal disks can't even saturate gigabit.

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jepeltw:

scott_, phpmyadmin is in /var/www, but I'm getting the apache placeholder page. Should I be using apache 1 or 2?

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a1fa|64:

my dma is not enabled on the server

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defaultro:

has anyone here use firewire for recording?

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BenB:

a1fa|64: the GS608?

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a1fa|64:

BenB: yes sir

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tjcarter:

Basically, you suck them in at 2x normal at 44.1 kHz, force the sample rate down to 11.025 (fine for speech), split side A into tracks 1 and 4 (4 being backwards) and B into 2 and 3 (3 being backards) and prompt for another cassette to begin "track 5"

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scott_:

jepeltw: you should be using apache2 and phpmyadmin should be on the page when you go to localhost

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tjcarter:

This is part of my effort to make MythTV for blind people ;)

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BenB:

a1fa|64: hehe, I have the same, standing right in front of me :). very nice thing, visually.

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a1fa|64:

BenB: how much transfer do you get?

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a1fa|64:

700mb in 2min.. good/decent/bad?

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tjcarter:

US Government (and others) have these special proprietary format cassettes that could be imported, mp3d, and played back as audio books

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BenB:

a1fa|64: I paid 64 Eur (=$80), though :((( (and that was cheap, normal are 80 eur = $100)

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BenB:

a1fa|64: I get about 30MB via scp.

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a1fa|64:

heei know euro

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a1fa|64:

30mb/s?

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BenB:

30MByte/s, yes.

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defaultro:

wow, that's pretty fast

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BenB:

for scp, yes.

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defaultro:

how did you do it? what are your settings

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a1fa|64:

so it takes you 7s to send a 200mb file?

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defaultro:

tjat

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defaultro:

that's unbelievable

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BenB:

defaultro: uh, nothing. normal ssh2 via rsa (I think). scp. key auth

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a1fa|64:

or ~30s for 700mb file?

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defaultro:

hmmmm

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a1fa|64:

BenB: you shitting me? 30s for 700mb file?

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GreyFoxx:

a1fa|64: on a hundred meg network I move 700mb in 1minute 20 seconds

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jepeltw:

scott_, I couldn't find a link, but http://localhost/phpmyamin works

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a1fa|64:

GreyFoxx: i dont know what is wrong then

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BenB:

I haven't measures NFS, but I hope it's faster, given that SSH has to encyrpt all the stuff.

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a1fa|64:

why the fuck am I geting bad bandwidth

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defaultro:

a1fa, it's still fast

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scott_:

jepeltw: that's odd.. but if it works it works.. can you log in as root with no password?

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BenB:

a1fa|64: let me test.

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defaultro:

a1fa, it's not bad

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a1fa|64:

defaultro: not for gigabit

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defaultro:

oh

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kormoc:

a1fa|64, you're router could be flooded if you have any upnp stuff on it, or anything similar

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defaultro:

i missed that

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scott_:

jepeltw: you could try sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart

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defaultro:

you guys are lucky

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defaultro:

i'm only at 1mb/s

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defaultro:

frickin wan

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a1fa|64:

UPnP: Enable Disable

[01:55:56]

a1fa|64:

[01:56:03]

a1fa|64:

fuck.. upnp is disabled

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kormoc:

I get ~ 11 mb/s with my 100 mbit lan

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a1fa|64:

i am probably getting shit on my gigabit

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a1fa|64:

maybe my cable sucks

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jepeltw:

scott_, login without password fails, but with my mysql password it works

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defaultro:

a1fa, maybe CRC

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kormoc:

a1fa|64, that doesn't mean you don't have a upnp device on the network. We had a problem with a intel NAS box

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a1fa|64:

i dont see any crcs

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defaultro:

set everything as not auto

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kormoc:

a1fa|64, erm... if you're going out your cable connection, gigabit won't help at all

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a1fa|64:

everything is coded to 1000full

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defaultro:

set everything to full, no nego

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defaultro:

what about the switch?

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a1fa|64:

kormoc: i am talking about my lan :P

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defaultro:

is it also not auto?

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defaultro:

ports should not be auto

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a1fa|64:

no.. everything is set to 1000full

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a1fa|64:

i hate auto

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jepeltw:

hmm, there is a mythtv user, and it has privleges

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defaultro:

so auto off both in computers and 1000 switch right

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a1fa|64:

i need to do a loopback copy test using scp

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a1fa|64:

right

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defaultro:

ok

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scott_:

jepeltw: if you can get in, go to the Privileges link then check for the username you want to add to the database in case it's already there, if it is click the little icon on the far right

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a1fa|64:

let me do a loopback test

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a1fa|64:

my dma is not enabled

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a1fa|64:

on one drive

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a1fa|64:

that could be the problem

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defaultro:

and btw, scp is not the right tool for testing

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defaultro:

you should use ftp

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jepeltw:

scott_, when I run mythtv, it says it's using a password, but phpmyadmin says there's no password

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defaultro:

then prevent harddisk spins

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defaultro:

use /dev/null as target

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scott_:

jepeltw: mythtv expects a password, find the user in phpmyadmin and set up a password then put that in mythtv-setup

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a1fa|64:

4.9MB/s

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a1fa|64:

4.9MB/s using scp

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a1fa|64:

how gay

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defaultro:

what about sysctl -a |grep TCP

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defaultro:

or tcp

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jepeltw:

scott_, I don't seem to have the mythtv-setup binary

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a1fa|64:

2.5MB/s

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a1fa|64:

wow

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a1fa|64:

i know what the problem is

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a1fa|64:

its the DMA not running

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GreyFoxx:

scp isn';t a good test of network speed

[01:59:30]

defaultro:

there is a tool

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a1fa|64:

ethtool?

[01:59:37]

GreyFoxx:

scp/ssh encrypts and compresses the data

[01:59:38]

defaultro:

that's what i was telling him

[01:59:44]

GreyFoxx:

It's more CPU dependant than anything

[01:59:45]

defaultro:

i told him to use ftp

[01:59:47]

GreyFoxx:

just ftp

[01:59:52]

scott_:

jepeltw: try /usr/bin/mythtv-setup

[01:59:55]

GreyFoxx:

no encryption, just raw transfer

[01:59:56]

defaultro:

and that's why i told him to use /dev/null too

[02:00:02]

defaultro:

no usage of harddisk

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a1fa|64:

i dont have ftp running on the box

[02:00:28]

defaultro:

do hdparm please

[02:00:36]

defaultro:

i think it's hdparm -t

[02:00:50]

defaultro:

i haven't been doing unix admin for a long time now

[02:00:54]

jepeltw:

scott_, nope

[02:00:57]

defaultro:

does that work?

[02:01:00]

a1fa|64:

defaultro: yeah.. hold on

[02:01:06]

defaultro:

paste it to pastebin.com

[02:01:07]

a1fa|64:

Timing buffered disk reads: 20 MB in 3.27 seconds = 6.12 MB/sec

[02:01:15]

a1fa|64:

baaaaaaad

[02:01:24]

defaultro:

i think mine is in thousands

[02:01:26]

kormoc:

but better then your tx speed

[02:01:29]

defaultro:

it's off right now

[02:01:31]

kormoc:

thousands?

[02:01:37]

defaultro:

i couldn't remember

[02:01:38]

defaultro:

:D

[02:01:45]

defaultro:

or maybe in the 500s

[02:01:54]

defaultro:

ah, 54

[02:02:00]

defaultro:

between 54 yto 63

[02:02:00]

kormoc:

okay... I was gonna say

[02:02:04]

scott_:

jepeltw: how have you obtained mythtv and what distro are you using

[02:02:13]

defaultro:

so 20mb is bad

[02:02:18]

kormoc:

depends on the drive

[02:02:20]

scott_:

Juski and whoever else helped me, i got LIRC going on mythtv, i love you

[02:02:20]

defaultro:

ok

[02:02:25]

a1fa|64:

6mb/s is bad

[02:02:26]

kormoc:

older drives are just slower

[02:02:29]

defaultro:

it is

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a1fa|64:

i cant enable my dma

[02:02:38]

jepeltw:

scott_, ubuntu dapper, following the dapper howto on mythtv wiki, using packages from universe, multiverse, and the repo in the wiki article

[02:02:54]

BenB:

a1fa|64: I notice it depends a lot on the hosts involved. right now, if my suse is involved, I get only 10MB/s, scp and NFS. from gentoo->gentoo via scp, I get 20–35 MB/s. I thought I got 30MB/s with my susevia scp, too, though.

[02:03:03]

jepeltw:

scott_, I found the password in /etc/mythtv, so I'm setting mysql to that now

[02:03:14]

a1fa|64:

http://pastebin.ca/121517

[02:03:28]

defaultro:

BenB, you should tell him to shy away from using SCP for testing

[02:03:35]

scott_:

jepeltw: thats all pretty pointless if you cant run mythtv-setup.. have you EVER ran it?

[02:03:49]

jepeltw:

sc00p_, no; I just finished installing

[02:03:57]

a1fa|64:

HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted

[02:04:01]

a1fa|64:

damn itttttttt

[02:04:07]

defaultro:

a1fa, i had a formula before for calculating speed. I used netcat for transfering :)

[02:04:18]

BenB:

a1fa|64: 1.5GB via NFS, gentoo->gentoo: 2m07s.

[02:04:35]

a1fa|64:

no way

[02:04:51]

a1fa|64:

ok.. i want to figure out why i cant enable dma

[02:04:53]

BenB:

that's 11MB/s or so.

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BenB:

a1fa|64: that's *slow*

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defaultro:

maybe you're not root :D

[02:05:17]

defaultro:

maybe there is a security setting enabled

[02:05:18]

BenB:

a1fa|64: I *should* be getting 40+MB/s.

[02:05:23]

GreyFoxx:

BenB: YEah, I can move 400MB over a 100Mb network in 35 seconds

[02:05:29]

scott_:

jepeltw: Im sorry 3am's my limit! i hope you find the help you need here

[02:05:33]

scott_:

thanks guys

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a1fa|64:

yeah.. i am sucking bad

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BenB:

a1fa|64: no. your distro is. which one?

[02:06:07]

a1fa|64:

Debian :*

[02:06:10]

a1fa|64:

dont be bashing on debian

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a1fa|64:

its the kernel

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defaultro:

dude, this is very funny, wildest dating show moments LOL

[02:07:27]

BenB:

hui! Timing buffered disk reads: 222 MB in 3.00 seconds = 73.96 MB/sec

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a1fa|64:

yeah dude

[02:07:36]

a1fa|64:

i am getting shitfaced here

[02:07:38]

a1fa|64:

with that DMA

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defaultro:

maybe DMA in CMOS is disabled

[02:07:57]

BenB:

wow, that's far better than I expected. seems like disks are getting really fast.

[02:08:14]

a1fa|64:

defaultro: its enabled in bios

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defaultro:

what's the size of harddisk

[02:08:35]

a1fa|64:

80gb

[02:09:08]

a1fa|64:

it can be two things

[02:09:18]

defaultro:

hmmm, sounds like an old drive, slower drive

[02:09:26]

a1fa|64:

err.. 1 thing. i think its the harddrive

[02:09:29]

a1fa|64:

defaultro:7200rpm

[02:09:32]

a1fa|64:

usual crap

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BenB:

the 73MB/s that was a seagate 320GB sata. The samsing spinpoint 80GB SATA does about 55 MB/sec, both gentoo and suse

[02:09:34]

defaultro:

ok

[02:09:37]

defaultro:

that should be fine

[02:10:03]

defaultro:

well, try to figure out why you can't set hdparm settings

[02:10:10]

BenB:

how guess what 8 of these 320 GB things would give in a RAID or ZFS config :)

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a1fa|64:

i spent 3 days trying to figure it out

[02:10:23]

a1fa|64:

and i cant

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defaultro:

also what file system?

[02:10:29]

a1fa|64:

nothing much on google

[02:10:32]

a1fa|64:

i tried all solutions

[02:10:34]

a1fa|64:

ext3

[02:10:41]

JohnQ:

anyoe had any luck at getting XDM to auto login a particular user at boot time, but present the greeter after (if) they log out:?

[02:10:56]

BenB:

a1fa|64: yeah. hdparm is a beast.

[02:11:09]

BenB:

a1fa|64: look at the BIOS settings and your dmesg

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a1fa|64:

i whish it gave me more debug information

[02:11:18]

defaultro:

yeah, a good idea

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defaultro:

dmesg|grep DMA

[02:11:35]

a1fa|64:

ide1: BM-DMA at 0xf008–0xf00f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:DMA

[02:11:46]

a1fa|64:

NFORCE3–250: 0000:00:08.0 (rev a2) UDMA133 controller

[02:12:22]

defaultro:

im out of ideas

[02:12:36]

defaultro:

what cpu?

[02:12:41]

Beirdo:

AMD64

[02:12:49]

defaultro:

hey buddy

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defaultro:

what's up

[02:12:54]

Beirdo:

judging by chipset

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a1fa|64:

yup

[02:13:05]

Beirdo:

not much, just working on some code for gputrans :)

[02:13:28]

defaultro:

whoa, what is gputrans though? I've been out in the loop

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Beirdo:

it's a project I've put off for a while now... to do video transcoding, denoising, whatever in the GPU of nvidia cards (to start)

[02:14:06]

Beirdo:

maybe ATI cards later

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defaultro:

BAM!

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pab:

join #tovid

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a1fa|64:

lol

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GreyFoxx:

pab: go spam elsewhere

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Beirdo:

I will assume you missed the /

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pab:

sorry......didn't mean it. You guys know an easy gui my kid could use?

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GreyFoxx:

heh I suppose it might not have been spam but might have been a typo :)

[02:16:34]

pab:

yeah

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Beirdo:

ummm, Microsoft Bob?

[02:16:41]

pab:

ugh

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Beirdo:

hehehe

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defaultro:

do you guys know if there are new products for converting YPbPr component analog out to firewire in

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evilDagmar:

pab: There's kiosk-friendly stuff in GNOME now. You should be able to keep 'em from easily getting at anythiung that you didn't make a big candy-like desktop icon for them

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pab:

evilDgmar: First, thanks, second...can you lead me to site to research (not quite sure I understood your post). He uses kde but prefers gnome

[02:26:44]

evilDagmar:

I dont' really have any info on it. I just remember it being mentioned in the release notes for 2.12

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pab:

evilDagmar: thanks....I'll keep looking

[02:28:27]

evilDagmar:

It's not like you can't lock down their desktop with the usual Linux permissions model anywa

[02:29:00]

defaultro:

hey guys, do you know of an mpg link of Tito Ortiz vs Shamrock UFC 61?

[02:29:23]

evilDagmar:

That would be copyrighted.

[02:29:46]

Beirdo:

www.whocares.com ? :)

[02:30:33]

defaultro:

i know, I would just like to see the 30 secs parts

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defaultro:

but anyways, who won the fight?

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kormoc:

google knows

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Beirdo:

somebody did, I'm sure

[02:38:43]

Beirdo:

heya, kormoc...

[02:39:10]

Beirdo:

got most of the code in to do libavformat/libavcodec decoding of the files for gputrans :)

[02:39:30]

kormoc:

yay, nice

[02:39:40]

Beirdo:

just gotta figure out what order the GL_UNSIGNED_INT_8_8_8_8 is in :)

[02:39:51]

Beirdo:

i.e. how to pack that unsigned int

[02:40:19]

Beirdo:

I'm betting RGBA by R << 24 | G << 16 | B << 8 | A

[02:40:19]

Beirdo:

but I dunno

[02:40:46]

Beirdo:

I'm actually gonna send the GPU YUV444 in the RGBA byte format

[02:40:51]

Beirdo:

as YUV0

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Beirdo:

i.e. 0 out A

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** kormoc nods **

[02:41:11]

kormoc:

niftyness

[02:41:30]

Beirdo:

and make ffmpeg convert the YUV420P to YUV444P for me

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BenB:

Beirdo: you work on MythTV code to let libavcodec run in the GPU? cool :).

[02:42:00]

Beirdo:

not in mythtv

[02:42:04]

Beirdo:

separately

[02:42:37]

BenB:

but otherwise correct? great.

[02:42:42]

Beirdo:

it's too complex in its requirements from OpenGL to even dream of having it directly in myth, and many people are already using the GPU to to xvmc

[02:42:49]

Beirdo:

:)

[02:43:07]

Beirdo:

but basically, I'm trying to move denoising and some transcoding work into the GPU

[02:43:22]

BenB:

what about deinterlacing?

[02:43:43]

Beirdo:

oh, likely

[02:44:00]

evilDagmar:

XvMCNVIDIA does a pretty good job of deinterlacing actually.

[02:44:02]

BenB:

nice. HDTV, here we come :)

[02:44:03]

Beirdo:

the first goal is denoising, and that will likely require interlacing

[02:44:10]

Beirdo:

deinterlacing rather

[02:44:18]

Beirdo:

XvMC is for display only

[02:44:23]

Beirdo:

doesn't help you make divx

[02:44:24]

Beirdo:

:)

[02:44:33]

BenB:

ah, that's the goal.

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kormoc:

BenB, 720p isn't interlaced, and anyway, nvidia cards can autodetect that they're having a interlaced signal and output that directly

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BenB:

kormoc: you can'

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BenB:

kormoc: you can't output interlaced to a TFT via DVI :)

[02:45:29]

kormoc:

true nuff :P

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Beirdo:

I need to do the code that will actually put the decoded frames into a shared memory segment and reuse the frames after they are no longer needed

[02:46:21]

BenB:

Beirdo: anyways, cool stuff. was curious what cool things people would do with the GPUs. :)

[02:46:32]

Beirdo:

and feed the frames to the rendering parts...

[02:46:37]

braniff:

question: does the CVS/SVN version of mythtv enable user-based security ?

[02:46:52]

Beirdo:

then I need to write some GPU code :)

[02:47:23]

BenB:

braniff: question: what is "user-based security"?

[02:47:43]

evilDagmar:

I think he means "hide the porn from my gf"

[02:47:49]

BenB:

heh

[02:48:01]

braniff:

evilDagmar, you hit the nail on the head!

[02:48:21]

BenB:

braniff: I thought that's what the stupid PINs are for

[02:48:24]

Beirdo:

rename it to NFL games

[02:48:32]

BenB:

Beirdo: lol

[02:48:43]

evilDagmar:

Rename it Live TV and make sure to disable auto-expiry

[02:49:06]

BenB:

shit! 5am

[02:49:13]

evilDagmar:

...or not... Who really wants *used* porno anyway.

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BenB:

evilDagmar: who wants *porn* anyway?

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Beirdo:

use the GF and make yer own ;)

[02:50:56]

Beirdo:

err, did I say that out loud?

[02:51:14]

BenB:

Beirdo: you did. and your gf heard it.

[02:51:28]

Beirdo:

nah

[02:51:37]

Beirdo:

it's "wife" and she didn't :)

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braniff:

Beirdo, but she doesn't want to put alligators in rubber pants <-- did i say that out loud?

[02:52:16]

kormoc:

welp, I'm out

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Beirdo:

?!

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

freak :)

[02:52:41]

** braniff is joking of course... **

[02:53:42]

braniff:

anyways...are there any killer-apps in the cvs version that make it worth the trouble to install over the packaged version ?

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Beirdo:

dunno

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Beirdo:

hehe

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a1fa|64:

What is your top recorded show:

[02:54:23]

a1fa|64:

1 Family Guy 46 August 7 2006

[02:54:32]

Beirdo:

heh

[02:54:34]

a1fa|64:

2 Lost 17 May 24 2006

[02:54:35]

Beirdo:

dunno

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a1fa|64:

go looksor it upsor

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Beirdo:

my PVR is still in a box

[02:55:20]

Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I moved May 1, haven't set it up yet

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a1fa|64:

wow

[02:55:52]

a1fa|64:

how dare you

[02:55:53]

a1fa|64:

:)

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braniff:

my pvr is sitting around in pieces as well after my move

[02:56:00]

a1fa|64:

are you not getting whitdravals?

[02:56:00]

Beirdo:

got too many other things to do

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BenB:

a1fa|64: busy buying furniture?

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Beirdo:

a bit, but busy writing code, being with the wife, etc

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a1fa|64:

haha

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a1fa|64:

Beirdo: how old ru

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BenB:

I also recently moved, and mythtv was one of the first things I set up :/

[02:57:03]

Beirdo:

32

[02:57:06]

BenB:

(ehm, and still on it, 3 weeks later)

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a1fa|64:

wow

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a1fa|64:

you old man:)

[02:58:54]

a1fa|64:

i am only 12

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BenB:

a1fa|64: seriously?

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braniff:

you type pretty well for a 12 year old

[02:59:17]

a1fa|64:

no

[02:59:18]

a1fa|64:

i am 23

[02:59:29]

a1fa|64:

i type bad for 23year old.. hahaha

[02:59:35]

Beirdo:

heh.

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a1fa|64:

its all cool.. Beirdo: we thank you for working on mythtv !!!

[03:00:08]

BenB:

*applause*

[03:00:09]

Beirdo:

heh. No problemo

[03:00:31]

Beirdo:

most of my stuff is on the periphery, not in myth itself, but if it helps out, all the better

[03:01:01]

a1fa|64:

really?

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a1fa|64:

it helps tho

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Beirdo:

if I get the GPU being useful for speeding up transcodes, I'll be super-happy

[03:02:19]

BenB:

night, guys. have fun with yout wives, school, etc :)

[03:02:24]

a1fa|64:

night

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braniff:

aren't there OSS libs out there for GPU general usage ??

[03:03:18]

Beirdo:

yeah, they help

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braniff:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/gpumathlib

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Beirdo:

meh

[03:04:39]

Beirdo:

I think I'll be either using libsh or just Cg directly

[03:05:33]

Beirdo:

maybe use brook, but I think libsh

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braniff:

sweet

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braniff:

well, i reserved tonite for putting my myth box back together...

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GreyFoxx:

Yes!!! No more invalid characters in my DVD's cc info! Woop

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WAR_CH|LD:

GreyFoxx grats. :)

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GreyFoxx:

Now to clean this up and get rid of all my debugging crap :)

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radi0head:

I've made a nice little script to start mythbackend as user at bootup. If anyone is interested: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/npOrkg49.html

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WAR_CH|LD:

ah, the clean up

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WAR_CH|LD:

awesome radi0head

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radi0head:

WAR_CH|LD; :>

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** WAR_CH|LD saves radi0head link for future implementation. :) **

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WAR_CH|LD:

lol

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WAR_CH|LD:

thanks for saving 20mins of my time. :)

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radi0head:

My pleasure.

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GreyFoxx:

Hrm, Isuppose I should test this on a regular recording too to see if I broke something :)

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WAR_CH|LD:

yeah, breaking something is my special skills

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defaultro:

Hey GreyFoxx, do you do firewire recording?

[03:24:06]

GreyFoxx:

nope

[03:24:25]

defaultro:

ok

[03:24:57]

defaultro:

I don't know if I should go with comcast again with my next move next month

[03:25:01]

defaultro:

i

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Aid`:

defaultro: i use to use an external box with firewire

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defaultro:

im thinking of going with directv or dish

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defaultro:

Aid, yes, i did have 6200 but I returned it

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defaultro:

i did not have any luck :(

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Aid`:

hmm i use to use directv

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defaultro:

im with comcast

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SlicerDicer-:

comcast FTW!

[03:26:23]

defaultro:

FTW?

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Aid`:

all i had was a video and audio left/right convert to firewire

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SlicerDicer-:

defaultro: for the win ;-)

[03:26:49]

defaultro:

I hate my comcast in my area, I can't get to record anything :D

[03:26:58]

Aid`:

so what can't you do?

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SlicerDicer-:

defaultro: http://home.comcast.net/~slicerdicer/mythfront1.jpg

[03:27:00]

SlicerDicer-:

:)

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defaultro:

even the SD's

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defaultro:

yep, thats the box i had

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defaultro:

i returend it

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SlicerDicer-:

what was it doing?

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SlicerDicer-:

not sending a signal?

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defaultro:

Slicer, what channels are you recording?

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SlicerDicer-:

I can record anything

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SlicerDicer-:

all through firewire

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defaultro:

sweet, i envy you

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SlicerDicer-:

so can xris

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SlicerDicer-:

defaultro: ohh it was not easy

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defaultro:

i went inside debug mode on 6200 and i saw encrypted on the channel i want to record :(

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SlicerDicer-:

ohh

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SlicerDicer-:

thats lame

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defaultro:

i remember, i was able to record non encrypted

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GreyFoxx:

Sweet, no adverse effects on regular CC decoding. looks like this works . yay

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radi0head:

GreyFoxx; Congrats!

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defaultro:

Slicer, so yours aren't encrypted? like what channels?

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Aid`:

write a decoder :)

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SlicerDicer-:

defaultro: http://home.comcast.net/~slicerdicer/hdtvmax.png anything I want

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SlicerDicer-:

:)

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defaultro:

damn

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Aid`:

dam HD is magnificant

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medwards:

GreyFoxx: you still aboot? going to crash soon wanted to ask you something...

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JohnQ:

anyone know where I can get s aimple lirc compatible reciever with a reasonable length cable on it inside the US? the http://ir-ben.de guy's device looks perfect but his sight is in german and I have no idea what I am clicking, or wether or not he will even ship outside germany

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word:

send it through babel-fish.altavista or whatever that url is should help some

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JohnQ:

Ya... tried that. I still cant really follow the order page.. and I cant see any info about his shipping area

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word:

he probably speaks english if you can email him...most people from other countries have to take english and other languages to graduate

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JohnQ:

I'll try that.

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word:

:D

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JohnQ:

I feel very .. american doing that though. "I refuse to speak german... so you will speak english!" ... That's so... rude.

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Agrajag-:

haha.. nice to know there are americans who at least think it's rude

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JohnQ:

it is... totally rude... I think I'm going to compose an email.. and pass it through babelfish english -> german translator and include both.

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word:

rude reality

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word:

:P

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word:

force me to learn another language so i can function better in society will you?! that's unpatriotic why do you support communism?!?!

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carden:

anyone using a hauppauge 350 controller and noticing that it is 1) slow to respond, and 2) mappings are not intuative?

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carden:

remote control

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Anduin:

carden: The mappings are up to you, and yes, it is slower than the keyboard.

[06:03:10]

carden:

maybe I should enable the web interface ....

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carden:

if I close mythfrontend does it continue to record schedules and all?

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Anduin:

carden: What do you expect?

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carden:

I would have to expect no

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Anduin:

carden: The backend records, the frontend just plays.

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carden:

then I am happy to be dumb

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carden:

I expected the remote to not be working, turned out I was just hitting the wrong buttons ....

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word:

happens lol

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carden:

heh anduin, I thought I recognized the name :) see I ask stupid questions no matter what channel I am in

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Anduin:

I was confused about most things when I started using myth.

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carden:

I just recognized your name from ##C++

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Anduin:

Yeah, I figured, it has been a long time since I've been in any non-myth/C++ channel

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adante:

hey

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adante:

was wondering if someone could explain this: http://adante.11011.net/pics/sched.PNG

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adante:

i have 3 tuners, i'm not sure why The Bill isn't going to be recorded

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ServerSage:

Does anybody out there run a backend, and then a remote backend/frontend? If so, has anybody ever seen "Encoder 2 is remote on mythtv (currently not connected)."?

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Anduin:

adante: There is usually a reason in the flyover.

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ServerSage:

I have a PVR250 in the backend, and PVR350 in my frontend that I'd like to start using for recording.

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Anduin:

ServerSage: For slave backends that is normal.

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ServerSage:

Andiun: Can I watch live TV from both sources on 2 seperate frontends?

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Anduin:

ServerSage: Assuming they aren't otherwise busy yes, with a preference for local encoders.

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adante:

Anduin: well it says another program with a higher recording priority will be recorded

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Anduin:

adante: The upcoming recordings scree in mythweb is easier to look at (less scrolling)

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JohnQ:

anyone using a "ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R200 QL [Radeon 8500 LE]" successfully with the svideo out?

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carden:

hmmmm skip on the remote isnt skipping commercials

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word:

skip functions usually just go forward 30 seconds or so

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carden:

word: no the skip, when using the keyboard is successfully skipping all commercials

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word:

oh o.I

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carden:

anyone using mythweb?

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xris:

I do

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xris:

but that's a given, since I wrote it.

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carden:

indeed

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carden:

I am compiling it all in now (gentoo emerge) is can you play the videos from mythtv

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xris:

recordings or movies?

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xris:

you should be able to download both via mythweb... except for the 2G filesize limit in apache.

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carden:

can you initiate viewing of recordings from mythweb :) there that sounded beter

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xris:

and if you're recording nupplevideo files, mythtv's pretty much the only thing that can play them properly

[07:26:07]

xris:

download, not watch.

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carden:

ah, so mythweb is not a replacement for the mythfrontend?

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xris:

no

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xris:

it's a web interface to mythtv

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xris:

schedule recordings, browse tv listings, etc.

[07:27:19]

xris:

you can view/download recorded programs, but it's not a viewer.

[07:27:30]

xris:

I'll hopefully get a flashvideo player built into .21, but not sooner.

[07:29:04]

xris:

ok, time for me to sleep. the evening disappears so quickly when I get home from work after 8.

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galorin:

I've got a problem with the Hauppage remote that I'm not sure how to fix.

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JohnQ:

anyone know much about the fglx ati drivers?

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Anduin:

galorin: Ask about it, let people who glance in, see the actual question.

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timbo_:

hey guy's... almost had to blow off myth cause / ran out of space and corupted one of the msql tables, fix it now using mysqnavigator because optimize_mythdb.pl flaked out on line 14 complaining about use: command not found... why would this be?

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Anduin:

timbo_: command not found doesn't make sense (unless you changed the first line and it was reading it as a sh script)

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timbo_:

Anduin: is sh /usr/share/mythtv/contrib.optimize-mythdb.pl not the right command?

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Anduin:

timbo_: You should just run it

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timbo_:

Anduin: permission denied running as root over ssh

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Anduin:

timbo_: ls -l it

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Anduin:

timbo_: or just perl it

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timbo_:

Anduin: sorry watching a nit of TV too... ls -l shows root root and how do I perl it?

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Anduin:

timbo_: I was more interested in the mode (rwx stuff), perl filename

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timbo_:

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2237 Jul 29 20:47 optimize_mythdb.pl

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timbo_:

thought that just after i ht enter

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Anduin:

timbo_: Yeah, without +x you can't just run it.

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timbo_:

mmm none of the files in the directory are executable

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Anduin:

timbo_: Yeah, not the way it should be, from packages?

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Anduin:

timbo_: It is trivial to change, or like I said just perl filename and done.

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timbo_:

Anduin: ok I perl filename and that's done it no complaints so I must have fixed it when I went through mysqlnavigator...

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Anduin:

timbo_: Yeah, there is nothing optimize_mythdb.pl does that can't be done in any good MySQL manager.

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timbo_:

Anduin: ok thanks for your help, I was worried the boxn got nuked...

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Anduin:

timbo_: An automatic DB backup isn't the worst thing to look in to.

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timbo_:

Anduin: would that be easy to setup via a cron job, I've setup a couple to filldatabase and emerge --sync what's one more going to hert..

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hads|home:

Indeed, something as simple as: "mysqldump -u $DB_USER --password=$DB_PASS $DB | bzip2 > $DB-$DATE.sql.bz2" can save you nightmares.

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Anduin:

timbo_: Yup, though it has yet to really save me, I do something close to what hads|home does (and throw the resulting file into the rotating system backup)

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timbo_:

ok thaks guy's job for the weekend since disaster was averted...

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tonibottos:

HI to all...

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tonibottos:

..i need a deeper focus on the project i talk yesterday..

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JohnQ:

Anyone using an ati radeon with tvout, who has gotten tvout to work in text mode?

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tonibottos:

..about teh creation of a such system, 1 server with mysql, 1 pc (mythtv1) with a set of tv cards, 1 laptop(mythtv2) with a different set o fcards

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tonibottos:

..i have to install mysql on the server, launch the mythfilldatabse to populate the db and then what i need to do on the 2 pc?

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tonibottos:

launch the backend and then th frontend?

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JohnQ:

where does the backend store it's passwords?

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galorin:

sorry afk here's the problem I'm having: following instructions on http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu2.php to get the Hauppage remote working, when doing cat /proc/bus/input/devices sometimes the remote comes up as event1. On other boots, it comes up as event2. My lirc setup doesn't allow for this kind of change.

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Juski:

morning

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Juski:

hey it's the unsung hero of ubuntu mythtv users :-)

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Merlin83b:

Morning Juski

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Juski:

morning Merlin83b

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asfui:

hello

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Juski:

svn treating you right, Merlin83b ?

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Merlin83b:

Seems to be so far, touch wood.

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Merlin83b:

LiveTV still blows.

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Juski:

have you noticed a massive improvement to channel changing times?

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Merlin83b:

No – still 30 seconds for changes type stuff.

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Juski:

yikes. not even mine's that bad!

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Merlin83b:

I probably need to update lots more stuff than MythTV anyway. At some point I'll get round to it.

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Merlin83b:

Okay, I exaggerate. Last one I timed was 27 seconds and that was on Sunday.

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Juski:

I'm gonna try an experiment soon – maybe update my dvb card drivers to mercurial

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Merlin83b:

But you don't use Nova-T, do you?

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Juski:

very similar.. leadtek lr6650

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Juski:

same chipset IIRC

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asfui:

when i try to watch tv with mythtv i see only a black screen and after some second it turn back to the menu

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Juski:

cx88_dvb I think

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asfui:

someone can help me to figure out what's the problem?

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asfui:

i've posted the output of mythfrontend http://pastebin.ca/122015

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Juski:

asfui: check you've set the correct card type in mythtv-setup and that the correct permissions are set for the tuner card device and recordings directory

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asfui:

i'see the error, but not really understand it

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Juski:

the backend log would be useful, not the frontend output

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Merlin83b:

Juski: My plan is to whack the latest KnoppMyth on the other hard disk and then transfer SVN, database and recordings dir.

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asfui:

the backend log is 4 line, all regarding the DB

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asfui:

i can post it, if it can be helpful

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Juski:

stop the mythbackend daemon & run mythbackend in a terminal window

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Juski:

then you'll get useful messages

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asfui:

i'm already runnign it in a terminal

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Juski:

and it's only giving you 4 lines? that I do NOT believe

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Juski:

when I say run mythbackend in a terminal I don't mean do /etc/init.d/mythbackend start

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asfui:

the 4 line is in /var/log/mythtv/mythtvbackend

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asfui:

i know, you mean /usr/bin/mythbackend

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Juski:

Merlin83b: good plan :)

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asfui:

i'll try again

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Merlin83b:

Just need to find the time now!

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asfui:

i'm such a n00b, i runned mythbackend with &, and then in the same terminal i run mythfrontend, so the 2 log are mixed, anyway now i'll post only the log from mythbackend

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asfui:

only mythbackaned log

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asfui:

http://pastebin.ca/122018

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Juski:

asfui: don't run mythbackend with &

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Juski:

and don't pick the bit of info you think might be useful either. paste everything in there

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asfui:

ok

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asfui:

i've uptade my post with all the output form the terminal of mythbackend

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asfui:

http://pastebin.ca/122023

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Juski:

asfui: you using a v4l tuner card, not a pvr card?

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asfui:

Juski: v4l

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Juski:

does it wotk in tvtime?

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asfui:

yes

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asfui:

all the inpu, television, S-video too

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Juski:

right. let's see the frontend stuff now..

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asfui:

ok, http://pastebin.ca/122028

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asfui:

/mnt/store is the path for recording

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asfui:

owner mythtv, group video, permission 0777

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Juski:

right. livetv is failing because the backend isn't recording any video

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asfui:

so, it's some setting i've done wrong

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asfui:

am i right?

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Juski:

could be

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Juski:

I think it centres around here: VIDIOCGCAP:: Invalid argument

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Juski:

no idea why you're getting that. could be a config issue or something to do with the driver

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asfui:

yes, but trying to look for it in google, hasn't returned so much info

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asfui:

i'll try some more

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Juski:

now. you HAVE set up the card, video source & input connections up in mythtv-setup haven't you?

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asfui:

sure

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asfui:

set the profile too

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Juski:

set the profile? what to?

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asfui:

mpeg4, cause the card dosn't have e mpeg2 encoder

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asfui:

the 4 profile for recording, default, hi, low..

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Juski:

maybe you screwed something up there. testing the default settings would've been a better idea

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asfui:

yesterday i test with the default setting, but it give an error saying to set this 4 profile

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asfui:

but i gues it's better to try again

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asfui:

:)

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Juski:

damn stupid websites still using inches. idiots

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laga:

re

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Juski:

hey laga

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Juski:

I really hate our purchasing dept. here. they need a drawing of a HDD power 'Y' cable so they can order one. stupid assholes

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evilDagmar:

Be sure an include extra tentacles

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s_g_robertson:

afternoon, or whatever time it is where you are, folks

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s_g_robertson:

is there anyone here can help me out with nuvexport, after a lot of hunting around today i've made some progress but not quite there yet!

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Juski:

hrm this Autocad is doing my head in

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laga:

hey juski :) heh, that sucks. just take a picture?

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Juski:

nope. gotta be a drawing :-(

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Juski:

I could take a picture for them, but it wouldn't be of a cable ;)

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laga:

hehehe

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evilDagmar:

It's not the picture you should worry about

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evilDagmar:

You should worry about getting the background with it's demonic pentagram and scary looking glyphs just right

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evilDagmar:

Or perhaps draw it upright, human sized, atop a hill being worshipped by peasants

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evilDagmar:

Or jsut snatch someone's picture of one off eBay

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Juski:

maybe just a picture of a snatch off of ebay

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Juski:

reflected in a shiny object

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evilDagmar:

http://cgi.ebay.com/4-pin-molex-Computer-Powe . . . cmdZViewItem

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evilDagmar:

That one looks clear enough

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Juski:

seriously it has to be drawing. sucky

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Beirdo:

why can't autocad to the cad automatically like its name promises?

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Juski:

coming together nicely now anyway

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Beirdo:

s/to/do/

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Juski:

lol Beirdo

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Juski:

pick the mouse up and talk into it.. say "computer.. draw me a PSU Y cable"

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Beirdo:

good morning, BTW

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Juski:

morning!

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Beirdo:

shouldn't you be off having a pint at lunch right now?

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Beirdo:

late lunch, granted

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Beirdo:

why is my laptop swapping everything in when I click on it? Grr

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Beirdo:

damn you, firefox, stop eating memory

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s_g_robertson:

juski: don't know whether you got my message the other day but I meant to say thanks for your pointer in the direction of minimyth.

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Beirdo:

I guess I'll go back to the point in my code where I fell asleep last night :)

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galorin:

I've run into problems with LIRC.. well, I think it's before LIRC kicks in, but anyhow.. I did a cat /proc/bus/input/devices to see what input# to put in my /etc/lirc/hardware.conf file. Sometimes I get input2 for the Nova-T section, restart, and it can come back as input1, aparrently lirc doesn't like htis

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galorin:

http://pastebin.ca/122109 has my current /proc/bus/input/devices list.

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Juski:

s_g_robertson: yeah – no problem :)

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s_g_robertson:

juski: quite impressed how quickly it starts up

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Juski:

I was so impressed with it overall I donated :)

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otwin:

Juski: who actually got the money? pablo/paul bender or lmatter?

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Juski:

I dunno. guess it pays for hosting

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Juski:

the great dichotomy of open source ;)

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otwin:

If I understand right, pablo does the work, lmatter the hosting – he should at least update the frontpage of linpvr.org :-)

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Juski:

I'd offer to update it myself if I had time

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otwin:

I think a lot of people never find the right place to download minimyth

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Juski:

well it's linked to from the wiki in 2 places now

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Juski:

I've asked them to put stickies in the forum.. no dice :-/

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splattnik:

hello, anyone having an zalman hd 160 case and knows if the vfd and remote controll works with linux?

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otwin:

Juski: i added the link to pablo's site to the wiki. it's the real homepage of minimyth.

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Juski:

call that a homepage?

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Juski:

pfft ;)

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otwin:

lol

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Juski:

I'm a fine one to talk... www.juski.co.uk

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laga:

i'm better. http://laga.ath.cx

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otwin:

ubeatable: http://www.ifficek.org/

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Merlin83b:

Nice, otwin

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laga:

heh

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Merlin83b:

www.dan.34sp.com :-)

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Merlin83b:

It used to just be the first line then I *ahem* enhanced it.

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otwin:

is that the "web2.0" everybody talks about? ;-)

[13:47:48]

Merlin83b:

Hell yes.

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Beirdo:

I believe the words "OW, FUCK!" are appropriate right now

[13:47:55]

Beirdo:

damn that hurt

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Merlin83b:

I didn't think it was *that* bad, Beirdo!

[13:48:26]

Beirdo:

was putting together the bed for the guest room, and one of the bolts sheared as I tightened it

[13:48:32]

Juski:

Beirdo: what've you done? not a fireant killing spree gone wrong?

[13:48:45]

Juski:

ahhh

[13:48:47]

Beirdo:

skinning my knuckle nastily on the inside of the frame

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Beirdo:

cheap shitty bolts

[13:49:12]

galorin:

I didn't think a fireant killing spree could go right.. one of the little beggars always escapes.

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Merlin83b:

Ouch.

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Beirdo:

have to get the wifey to bitch the hardware store guy out in Spanish

[13:49:37]

Beirdo:

yeah, fireants are later today unless it rains again

[13:50:00]

galorin:

I moved to Scotland to escape fireants.

[13:50:03]

Beirdo:

along with like 2 or 3 more loads of laundry

[13:50:18]

Beirdo:

yeah, the scotch does a good job of killin em?

[13:50:35]

galorin:

Nah, the cold does that.

[13:50:39]

Beirdo:

hehe

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Juski:

galorin: fair nuff. did you also move to escape nice weather? :-P

[13:50:47]

Beirdo:

scotchy scotch scotch...

[13:51:10]

Beirdo:

he just likes wearin a kilt :)

[13:51:32]

galorin:

We get nice weather here. We just had our few days worth last week. This time next year, we'll have some more great weather.

[13:51:33]

Beirdo:

seriously, I wouldn't mind visiting Scotland, but I don't know if I'd want to live there

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Beirdo:

too cold and rainy

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Beirdo:

I like it here... hot and rainy

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Beirdo:

heh

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Juski:

the UK is cold & rainy all over. unless you go as far south as you can get.. but then there are other issues to deal with – like your house falling into the sea

[13:53:08]

Beirdo:

heh

[13:53:28]

Beirdo:

they having issues with the cliffs eroding?

[13:53:30]

galorin:

It's actually not that bad. It doesn't get too cold (I was born in Montana, so I have different ideas of cold) and doesn't get too hot (lived in the desert, so have different ideas of what's hot)

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Beirdo:

yeah, Scotland would be more temperate than either Montana or Arizona, etc.

[13:54:14]

Beirdo:

and so much more... scottish

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Juski:

plus – you guys will get no end of credit just for knowing where it is :)

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galorin:

Been here nearly 4 years, and I still have a hard time understanding the people.

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otwin:

time to go home – keep up the great work on your websites, guys

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Juski:

lol

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laga:

otwin: i work hard on it. thanks. :)

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Beirdo:

heh. I had a coworker fresh from Glasgow. It was fun for the first month or so

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Juski:

you should see my Autocad :)

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otwin:

lol. cy

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galorin:

Full-blown glaswegian?

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Beirdo:

yup

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galorin:

Ouch. And I thought regional accents were bad

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Beirdo:

and MAN was he hard to understand for a while

[13:56:21]

Beirdo:

but I grow used to accents quickly

[13:56:44]

Beirdo:

my Grade 2 teacher was an exchange teacher and had a thick cockney accent

[13:57:04]

Beirdo:

that's great fun as a kid, don't understand her for SO long, then have to catch up

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Beirdo:

heh

[13:57:23]

Beirdo:

but such is life

[13:57:40]

laga:

shoulda complained to the principal

[13:57:50]

** laga doesn't even undersand the lugradio guys, so what ;) **

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Beirdo:

and last year, I went to Tennessee for one week, and had a southern accent by half-way through it

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galorin:

My wife is Liverpuddlian, but people think she's American now from her accent. Suits her fine though, less animocity

[13:57:58]

laga:

stupid fingers.

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Juski:

no comment

[13:58:19]

laga:

Juski: i got the bastards part, though. ;)

[13:58:26]

Beirdo:

accents are cool

[13:58:30]

Juski:

you know they asked Coume to do it first you know

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galorin:

I spent 2 years in Texas, could speak Redneck, Hick, City Slicker, and Ebonics by the end of it.

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laga:

Juski: and he said 'no'?

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Beirdo:

I still like some nice Aussie accents

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Juski:

laga: aye he refused.. I think that's how it went but it's still hazy

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Beirdo:

but I married a latina, so I'm kinda partial to how Puerto Ricans sound too

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laga:

Juski: heh

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Beirdo:

that reminds me... time to check for upcoming hurricanes

[14:00:13]

Beirdo:

nothin

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asfui:

still blocket, a little step forward maybe :)

[14:00:36]

Beirdo:

seems it's Japan's turn this year

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galorin:

ok, late lunch is on.. been re-decorating. I'm finally going to have a place to put this Myth box. It's been hiding in the utility room, without an aerial

[14:01:16]

Beirdo:

but the Atlantic looks fairly clear right out to the Canary Islans

[14:01:20]

asfui:

i found on the mythtv mailing list that the error strign i recive is because i set th etype of the card to v4l instead of mpeg

[14:01:21]

Beirdo:

missed a d

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asfui:

when i change it, i see a blank screen again, but the error i a little different

[14:02:21]

Juski:

asfui: that's what I thought, which is why I asked if it was v4l or ivtv

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Juski:

Beirdo: PR is that way? shame on my poor geography

[14:03:10]

Beirdo:

heh

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Juski:

oh wait... that was a monday moment

[14:03:24]

Beirdo:

we are on the north-east part of the Caribbean

[14:03:50]

Beirdo:

next to the Virgin Islands to our east and the Dominican Republic/Haiti to our west

[14:04:02]

Juski:

that's where I originally thought they were

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asfui:

Juski,: i've done some search, no trace for the error i got now,the card use v4l , with the module saa7134

[14:04:24]

Beirdo:

yup. the storms track in from the Canaries usually or thereabouts

[14:04:49]

asfui:

i post the new error message,maybe it's something familiar to somone

[14:04:52]

Beirdo:

I guess the floridans are getting a break this year

[14:05:10]

Beirdo:

or is it floridites?

[14:05:18]

Beirdo:

whatever... the trailer parks are a bit safer this year

[14:05:37]

asfui:

http://pastebin.ca/122164

[14:07:07]

asfui:

maybe i have to upgrade v4l, now i have the 2.6.17 kernel

[14:07:44]

Juski:

Beirdo: yee haw to that ;)

[14:07:58]

Beirdo:

heh

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asfui:

anyway i'll try to look at the kernel again

[14:12:53]

asfui:

maybe last night i missed something, i almost fall asleep on the keyboard :)

[14:12:54]

BenB:

hey Beirdo. how's your GPU wrangling?

[14:13:18]

Beirdo:

it's on break for a bit while I do housework :)

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Fnc-1:

mornin all

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splattnik:

will mythtv work without having a tv-card, if id only would use the box for watching dvd/xvd/mp3?

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evilDagmar:

It's basically pointless overkill without a tuner card, dude

[14:29:08]

Juski:

xmms would suit you better

[14:30:25]

Fnc-1:

is there a howto, for setting up mythweb to run over https?

[14:30:53]

evilDagmar:

Nope

[14:31:05]

evilDagmar:

You either know how to set up Apache-SSL or you don't, basically.

[14:31:06]

Fnc-1:

whats going on dag

[14:31:22]

evilDagmar:

Nothing much. It's really ridiculously hot and humid outside

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splattnik:

Juski: i dont use xmms =)

[14:31:35]

evilDagmar:

I think I'm just going to not go out again until the sun goes down

[14:32:30]

Juski:

splattnik: xmms would suit you better for just playing back media. myth is way too overblown for media playing if you don't use it for tv recording

[14:33:53]

Juski:

hell maybe even freevo...

[14:34:33]

evilDagmar:

Naughty naughty

[14:35:19]

Juski:

hey if it's up tp the job

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Juski:

myth IS too overblown just for media playing when you think about mysql & mythbackend being needed JUST to play some mp3s & xvids :)

[14:36:16]

Juski:

myth != media player – it's primarily a PVR :-)

[14:36:30]

evilDagmar:

Well, some people's media collection practically requires an SQL database

[14:36:52]

evilDagmar:

If all my stuff were CD instead of vinyl I would sure as hell need to start ripping and encoding it

[14:37:11]

Juski:

yeh that's a nice winter time project for me

[14:37:25]

evilDagmar:

Juski: The themes control what items appear in each main menu in the frontend, right?

[14:37:35]

threat2:

evilDagmar, encode your vinyl :)

[14:37:36]

Juski:

yup

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evilDagmar:

threat2: That has to be done in _realtime_

[14:37:57]

threat2:

evilDagmar, and?

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evilDagmar:

I would not just be doing that in Winter. For me that would go through Spring and most of the way into Summer.

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threat2:

evilDagmar, do it in parallel :)

[14:38:31]

evilDagmar:

I have two tables so I could do it in parallel, but it's like the tapes of all my radio shows...

[14:38:38]

evilDagmar:

Too much media to realistically convert

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threat2:

evilDagmar, acquire 10 or so LP players, and a few boxes with a few inputs in them :)

[14:38:41]

Juski:

12" singles with what.. average of 30 mins of music per disc... say 2 hours to record & trim...

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Juski:

de-click...

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evilDagmar:

Yeah, multiply that by nearly 1000

[14:39:10]

Juski:

thre's not yet a plugin that can replace a waveform pencil tool ;)

[14:39:23]

Merlin83b:

http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/top/usb-turnta . . . s-141195.php

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Merlin83b:

:-)

[14:39:31]

Juski:

blech

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Juski:

plastic turntables suck :)

[14:39:57]

Merlin83b:

Hehe

[14:40:02]

Merlin83b:

"supports high-speed vinyl recording"

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Juski:

oh god no

[14:40:16]

Merlin83b:

I wasn't making a serious suggestion :-)

[14:40:24]

Juski:

I read about that

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evilDagmar:

It's direct drive.

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evilDagmar:

I woudln't have it in my house.

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Merlin83b:

lol

[14:40:49]

evilDagmar:

er sorry belt-driven

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Juski:

sample @ 44.12khz, played back too fast.. then they down-sample it, thereby lowering the effective sample rate

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evilDagmar:

Not to mention demolishing the acoustisc

[14:41:36]

evilDagmar:

There's a _reason_ it took Technics and Stanton awhile to come up with convincing scratch synthesizers

[14:41:39]

Juski:

vinyl >> CD >>> mp3

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Juski:

technics suck. i know. I have a pair of 1210s

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evilDagmar:

I'd rather just go Vinyl to Ogg Vorbis

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Juski:

good dj TTs but they suck in hifi terms

[14:42:15]

evilDagmar:

...but you can't backspin 'em without Final Scratch anyway, so there's no point

[14:42:35]

evilDagmar:

Juski: You probably need better needles

[14:42:50]

evilDagmar:

I lean towards groovemasters and ortofons

[14:43:14]

evilDagmar:

Kinda pricey, but they sound sooo much better than blah blah stantons with separate styli and headshells

[14:43:29]

threat2:

Oggs are great!

[14:43:41]

evilDagmar:

The first time I threw on a Photek album at low speed I could immediately tell the difference

[14:43:42]

Juski:

evilDagmar: I use ortofons. they sound great – pity about the rumble of the TT though

[14:43:55]

evilDagmar:

WEird. Mine don't rumble

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Juski:

even with the rubber mats on...

[14:44:14]

evilDagmar:

Might be that they're always sitting in the heavily padded coffin tho

[14:44:32]

Juski:

rumble isn't the right term..

[14:44:46]

evilDagmar:

I kinda cheaped out and got the Gemini PT-2000's when Technic's patent expired

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Merlin83b:

Oh dear, what have I started?

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Juski:

Gemini.. lol

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evilDagmar:

I can honestly say that about the only difference between them and 1200 MKII's is that the start-stop time is a little greater

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sapbeast:

technics ftw

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talent:

hi there

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Merlin83b:

Hi talent!

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Merlin83b:

Please get us back on topic :-)

[14:45:50]

Juski:

save us from the DJ bores :-P

[14:45:56]

evilDagmar:

I was working with both those Gemini and MK2's on a regular basis. definitely had time to give them both a heavy workout

[14:45:58]

talent:

i planing to build a digital vcr.

[14:46:05]

talent:

so i found mythtv

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Merlin83b:

Good work.

[14:46:13]

talent:

my questions anout it are

[14:46:16]

talent:

:

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Juski:

anyway.. if you want proper hifi don't expect Technics to cut it.. end of...

[14:46:37]

talent:

i see me more as an enduser. i am no dev/programmer etc. usw

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Juski:

talent: I can't code either

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talent:

is mythtv usable for endusers?

[14:46:53]

Merlin83b:

Very.

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evilDagmar:

Juski: Well, I'm not about to shell out $800 a table for Vestax. Not unless DJing is paying all my bills

[14:47:08]

evilDagmar:

talent: Yeah, it's just a bit of a bitch to setup if you don't know Linux for beans

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Juski:

yes, IF you are prepared to do a bit of reading, take it in, ask questions, do some research, RTFM etc

[14:47:18]

evilDagmar:

MythTV is *not* a good way to start learning Linux

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Merlin83b:

evilDagmar: Unless KnoppMyth or another similar thing works :-)

[14:47:29]

talent:

i can t spend years getting it up running. i just wana use it and have fun:)

[14:47:40]

evilDagmar:

talent: Well, you'll probably do fine with it then

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talent:

i don t wana leraning linux evilDagmar...

[14:48:04]

Juski:

you'll prolly have to learn a tidgy bit about linux as you go along

[14:48:04]

talent:

k, the it sounds not bad

[14:48:09]

evilDagmar:

You won't have any choice

[14:48:12]

asfui:

Juski: it was the kernel, yesterday night i missed to check enable v4l api compatible layer

[14:48:20]

Juski:

asfui: d'oh.

[14:48:34]

laga:

talent: if you dont wanna learn anything, then please just leave. we're not here to read the documentation to you or setup your box.

[14:48:44]

evilDagmar:

Weird. I didn't think the v4l1 stuff was necessary

[14:48:54]

talent:

laga: thats not the point

[14:49:15]

talent:

if you buy an dvd player you wana used it and not lerning how it works

[14:49:34]

talent:

i only want to have an easy to use digital vcr not more

[14:49:34]

Juski:

talent: if you say you don't want to learn anything, back away now. seriously. I'm not saying it's hard but you'll have to make SOME effort

[14:49:36]

evilDagmar:

talent: The problem is that most of the important parts of MythTV lie squarely in the realm of Advanced Linux Configuration.

[14:49:39]

asfui:

now mythtv work fine

[14:49:49]

Juski:

if you but a dvd player, smart people RTFM before unpacking it

[14:49:51]

evilDagmar:

You can't use MythTV unless you know a reasonable amount of Linux.

[14:49:55]

laga:

talent: this is the point. this is open source software, not something you pay for – and more complicated than a DVD player.

[14:49:57]

Juski:

s/but/buy

[14:50:03]

evilDagmar:

You can maybe *try* Knoppix, and if it works, you're basically done

[14:50:13]

talent:

Juski: thats no problem. if the effort isn t such big then i am behind it

[14:50:17]

evilDagmar:

If it doesn't work, you've got a lot of research ahead of you to get it working tho

[14:50:27]

asfui:

Juski:i've said, yesterday i almost fall asleep on the keyboard, gotta know that something could be missing in the kernel

[14:50:33]

Merlin83b:

But if you have the hardware lying around, you may as well give it a go :-)

[14:50:43]

talent:

but, i can t and want spent month of trying to getting it running

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Juski:

and if all else fails get MCE & fail with that too :-P

[14:50:51]

talent:

nothing against some work

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evilDagmar:

asfui: Get in the habit of enabling as modules anything in the kernel that even *looks* like it might be useful

[14:50:58]

talent:

so don t understund me wrong

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Merlin83b:

So try for a day or two talent, see where you get to. If you get stuck we'll try to help.

[14:51:18]

evilDagmar:

asfui: It'll save you a lot of pain. Modules don't make the kernel any bigger, and anything you need will pretty much be auto-loaded now

[14:51:24]

Merlin83b:

But do RTFM and follow tutorials first.

[14:51:26]

laga:

talent: it depends on your abiliy to learn, choice of distro, choice of hardware *and* luck.

[14:51:28]

asfui:

thx for all the help and suggestion

[14:51:37]

talent:

Merlin83b: thats i nice sugestions. thx

[14:51:39]

asfui:

evil Dagmar: yeah

[14:51:49]

evilDagmar:

talent: MythTV isn't a consumer DVD player, so don't get the idea that you're "entitled" to have Myth "just work"

[14:52:13]

evilDagmar:

Dmanit ZZF needs to get moving and process my order. I'm gonna go nuts without the Myth box working

[14:52:20]

talent:

its nothing to say against to have some configuring work etc. such things are normal

[14:52:21]

asfui:

now i've to go, see you later

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talent:

but if i have to spend month to get it running, then this is to much

[14:52:44]

evilDagmar:

talent: If Knoppix doesn't work out of the box (so to speak) you're looking at a lot more than just "some configuring work"

[14:52:51]

laga:

talent: do you have any experience with linux?

[14:52:51]

talent:

this is what i am trying to explain:()

[14:52:55]

talent:

no

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talent:

only a few from my xbox linux

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evilDagmar:

talent: Well, it took me four days to get it going from zero, and I'm what most people would consider a Linux guru

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laga:

talent: well, let's easy that it's usually not that hard to get mythtv up & running. tweaking it to give you the best experience & performance could take some more time, but i think it's the most interesting part of it.

[14:53:33]

evilDagmar:

Jesus do yourself a favor and don't try running it on your XBox

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talent:

evilDagmar: that means you habe advanced linux knowledge and you think thats important for running mythtv?

[14:54:00]

evilDagmar:

Maybe in another year or so things will have matured to the point where people can just drop it the packages and go, but not right now

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gardengnome:

talent: no, not really.

[14:54:22]

gardengnome:

talent: what hardware do you have got?

[14:54:40]

talent:

have an old p3/ 1ghz with 512mb ram

[14:54:47]

gardengnome:

talent: capture card?

[14:54:58]

evilDagmar:

talent: It is important. You'll likely need to know how to lay out filesystems intelligently, how to troubleshoot hardware conflicts, how to build packages from source (most of the binary packages are kinda lagged or substandard), and how to build a kernel from scratch in most cases

[14:55:11]

talent:

have no card yet. don t know wich model i should buy that works best with mythtv

[14:55:20]

talent:

sorry i am a total newbie:)

[14:55:23]

evilDagmar:

Any of the Hauppage PVR-xx0 series cards

[14:55:28]

galorin:

Myth isn't so bad. A lot of it depends on your starting point, the rest is reading, google, and this room.

[14:55:32]

gardengnome:

evilDagmar: well, not really my experience using ubuntu.., but agreed, i had lots of trouble in the past.

[14:55:38]

evilDagmar:

You do NOT want to get a card that doesn't have hardware accellerated encoding

[14:55:45]

gardengnome:

talent: are you gonna do analog tv or dvb?

[14:56:03]

talent:

i have a digital satelite tv

[14:56:12]

talent:

so i need a dvb-c card?

[14:56:15]

gardengnome:

talent: dvb-s.

[14:56:17]

talent:

not sure...

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talent:

dvd s...ok

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talent:

thx

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evilDagmar:

You might not be amused to find that there's what, two cards that can be used, and you won't be able to get much beyond the unencrypted channels.

[14:56:44]

gardengnome:

talent: i'd suggest that you start wit something ubuntu/kubuntu like and use hamstaman's packages.

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evilDagmar:

gardengnome++

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gardengnome:

evilDagmar: for DVB-S? that's no true, he's located in germany.

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Merlin83b:

talent: Do you already have a set top box to use with this?

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gardengnome:

not*

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talent:

i have some wishes and hopeing mythtv can hanbdle it. for example i wana record and watch tv on the same time

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talent:

maybe that means i need 2 cards...

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gardengnome:

kayelem: heya :)

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evilDagmar:

Well, you'll need two tuners for that

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talent:

jep, thought so

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talent:

and what is with an dual tuner card?

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evilDagmar:

...and I'm not sure that 1Ghz machine will cut it

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gardengnome:

evilDagmar: should be fine. we're talking standard definition Tv here.

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talent:

hm..

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evilDagmar:

There's a matter of the raw amounts of data coming out of the DVB cards

[14:58:20]

evilDagmar:

gardengnome: Oh, those are analog?

[14:58:23]

evilDagmar:

Nevermind me on that then

[14:58:31]

gardengnome:

evilDagmar: that'd depend mostly on the chipset of the mainboard.

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talent:

is an hardware mpg2 secoder necesary beocuse i have only this 1 ghz machine?

[14:58:37]

gardengnome:

evilDagmar: no. digital SDTV.

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evilDagmar:

talent: No it's mainly necessary because framegrabbers are a right *bitch*

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gardengnome:

talent: i'd doubt it.

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gardengnome:

uh

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evilDagmar:

Having the card just emit compressed MPEG makes everything a TON simpler

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gardengnome:

evilDagmar: he was likely asking about an encoder :) and with dvb-s, you don't need any hardware mpeg encoding %)

[14:59:37]

evilDagmar:

gardengnome: So he's at least good on that front then

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talent:

k, that means. the first step would be to get a card that makes what i need

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talent:

what is with hauppauge pvr 350?

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gardengnome:

evilDagmar: yeah. ok, one last time to get stuff straight: he's likely talking about using digital TV in PAL resolution.

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gardengnome:

talent: that's not gonna support dvb.

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talent:

this device has for example an hardware decoder

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talent:

hm

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talent:

right

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evilDagmar:

talent: The special thing about that card is that it has a TV output built into it

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talent:

need dvb

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gardengnome:

talent: why would you need an hardware decoder?

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talent:

becouse of my weak cpu

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talent:

p3/1ghz

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evilDagmar:

You'd only need one of those if you can't get a video card that has s-video out or if your display doesn't support VGA or DVI

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gardengnome:

talent: with 1ghz, you should be fine. if you're worried about cpu usage, read up on XvMc – nvidia vga cards support it.

[15:01:23]

talent:

and if i wana record and watch tv on the same time, i think the cpu isn t fast enough

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talent:

k

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evilDagmar:

Video playback's CPU load is very, very little. Somethign on the order of 500Mhz can do full-screen playback of regular broadcast resolution without a problem

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gardengnome:

recording Tv uses almost no cpu.

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talent:

sounds good

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evilDagmar:

Well, recording TV uses almost no CPU when you're using cards that feed you MPG data

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gardengnome:

evilDagmar: sure, but maybe he's gonna do deinterlacing. the lowest i could go as a p3 450 + xvmc.

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talent:

then i can save some money if i don t need such an decoder..

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gardengnome:

evilDagmar: like dvb-s cards do...

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evilDagmar:

If your'e one of those poor bastards who decided to stick with a Bt8x8 card, it uses a LOT of CPU

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evilDagmar:

talent: You can usually get by with something as simple as a decent brand-name nVidia 5200

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talent:

no, i look what my crad dealer has, and compare it with the compatibly list of mythtv

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evilDagmar:

nVidia's drivers will deal with deinterlacing when they're outputting s-viddeo

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talent:

think this is the best way to get a good card

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evilDagmar:

talent: For output, things are not nearly as strict

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talent:

output is also an important apsect

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talent:

what is with rgb ouput?

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evilDagmar:

It boils down to what hardware does what you want that Xorg supports, which is just about everything (although ATI cards are still a pain in the ass)

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talent:

is there an card who support this?

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evilDagmar:

talent: does your TV handle RGB input?

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talent:

jep

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talent:

have the best experineces with rgb

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evilDagmar:

Some of the nVidia 6xxx cards have a breakout box that has composite, s-video, and RGB output

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evilDagmar:

My 6600 does

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talent:

becouse my xbox and dbox also have rgb

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talent:

sounds interesting

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evilDagmar:

The 5200 I'm using in my myth box is just s-video

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talent:

so we talk about a support tv card and about a supportet videocard?

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evilDagmar:

BAsically, anything 5xxx and up made by nVidia you can just assume will work fine. Then you can just worry about getting whichever one your local store or whatever has that has the RGB output equipment with it

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talent:

if the ati support isn t that good, then i try to get an nvidia card with rgb ouptut...

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gardengnome:

evilDagmar: does the RGB output work?

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evilDagmar:

The videocard output hardware selection is *easy*

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gardengnome:

talent: BTW you *are* located in germany, right?

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evilDagmar:

gardengnome: I dont' have anything that does RGB in, but I have no reason to believe that it won't work

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talent:

gardengnome: yes

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gardengnome:

evilDagmar: ok. that's really nifty. RGB just rocks, maybe i'm gonna get myself one of those cards then.

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gardengnome:

talent: ok. here are some urls: http://www.mythwiki.de http://de.mythtvtalk.com/forum/

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talent:

thx gardengnome

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gardengnome:

talent: there's also a howto available that should make it really easy for ya to get mythtv running on ubuntu with dvb-s.

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evilDagmar:

gardengnome: Here's one model with it http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814125019

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evilDagmar:

The black box thingie you see in the pics is the breakout box I mentioned

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talent:

k, history. tried a friend to help me out with planing a digital vcr. he has advances linux knoweldge and i thought its important for it. yesterday we have installed ubuntu as basic system for it. he has an older analog tv card and i thought for testing it how itz works it would be finde

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talent:

as videocard we have an old voddoo3 3000

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talent:

the matter is

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talent:

we don t get an tv output

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talent:

so have i am now...

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evilDagmar:

talent: You need a video card with TV output, or a VGA->S-video/composite adapter

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gardengnome:

talent: i'd recommend to get mythtv working first on his box to see if you like it.

[15:13:22]

talent:

i thought, if it works by this guy, i make the same with an other tv card becouse i have satelite

[15:13:35]

talent:

the vodoo3 300 has tv output

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gardengnome:

talent: for analog cards, read the HOWTO_Mythfilldatabase at mythwiki.de, but warned mythfilldatabase --manual is currently broken. you'll need to run it twice.

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evilDagmar:

talent: *Most* of the nVidia cards have either s-video output, or composite output, or both. After digging some more it looks like only the 6600 and higher models seem to ever come with RGB output

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talent:

gardengnome: yes, that was also my way of thinking

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talent:

if it works by this dude and i like it. i wana use it...becouse he has linux knoweldge and i am not...

[15:14:51]

talent:

we are now such far that it runs but we haven t tv ouput

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evilDagmar:

talent: The s-video output on that may be in NTSC format

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gardengnome:

talent: do some reading. :) try mythtv on his box, and then get back to us. there's also a german channel available (#mythtv-de). i'll be glad to help ya, but please, read first.

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gardengnome:

talent: ah, ok you've already got it up & running.

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evilDagmar:

talent: Basically, if you have the output in less than 1024x768 on those the port is supposed ot "just work"

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evilDagmar:

talent: GOogle is your friend: http://www.linuxnetmag.com/en/issue7/m7tvout2.html

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gardengnome:

evilDagmar: for germany, you'll have to tell it that the tv standard is PAL, i think. :)

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gardengnome:

ah, you already mentioned it.

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evilDagmar:

yep

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evilDagmar:

There's very little I can't find in minutes with Google

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talent:

ok, a sugestions: the guy come over in 1 hour and brings the installed mythv computer with. we try to connect it on my tv and test if the output its working somehwo...

[15:16:40]

talent:

therefore i need your asistance

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evilDagmar:

Search engine skills are like skills in MMOGs. They only go up with use

[15:17:02]

talent:

thx 4 your help. i come back later if we are so far..

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evilDagmar:

talent: Read that URL I just cited. It tells you how to make the TV output work on that card

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talent:

k

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talent:

graet it depends on the voodoo3;)

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talent:

nicw work, thx

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scopeuk:

evilDagmar nice reference

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scopeuk:

congradulatiosn you reaced google level 255555

[15:18:04]

evilDagmar:

I was thinking more like...

[15:18:16]

evilDagmar:

Your skill in Googling has gone up! (255)

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scopeuk:

yeh

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talent:

k, then i have some important basic informations now. we start the running test, i will be back here.

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talent:

ah here is the dude i am talking of

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talent:

zubwolf

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evilDagmar:

scopeuk: I also tend to create despair at the local Linux installfests.

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zubwolf:

hi there

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talent:

hey zubwolf http://www.linuxnetmag.com/en/issue7/m7tvout2.html

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talent:

look at this

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evilDagmar:

It doesnt' really matter what hardware someone has. I can usually get it working properly in under 10 minutes if there's a network connection available

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talent:

maybe that fixes our problem

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talent:

thx to evilDagmar

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scopeuk:

evilDagmar yeh an internet conenction heps alot when tryign to get an install up and running

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evilDagmar:

I'm gonna go nuts waiting on this new 3800 x2

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zubwolf:

evilDagmar, sounds great, want root?:)

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evilDagmar:

zubwolf: not relaly

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talent:

:)

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scopeuk:

evilDagmar more power?

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evilDagmar:

scopeuk: LOTS more power.

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evilDagmar:

scopeuk: By adding $100 to the order for a new motherboard, CPU, and RAM for my MythTV box (the Pro1800+ blew out) I'm doubling the power of both it and my desktop.

[15:22:02]

scopeuk:

what you on atm?

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evilDagmar:

Athlon 64 3200+

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scopeuk:

same as i use when my desktop is acctually running

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scopeuk:

damn gfx return is takign ages

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evilDagmar:

I hate to admit it but my choice of motherboards for the MythTV box was definitely hampered by the requirement of a customizable BIOS splash screen

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evilDagmar:

I wasn't about to get stuck again.

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scopeuk:

yeh

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evilDagmar:

I started to just buy another ASRock 939dual-SATA2 board, but the BIOS on it is just too small to even shoehorn anything bigger than a tiny little graphic into it

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evilDagmar:

...and it took me 9 attempts to get that far with modifying it

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scopeuk:

ive decided im never hvign anothr aopen gfx

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scopeuk:

it died outright in 6 months

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evilDagmar:

At some point I'm going to have to go in and take the Happy mac icon back out ot my BIOS before someone sees it. Heh

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scopeuk:

lol

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evilDagmar:

One of the first things I did to the MSI-6712 when I got it was stick http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/8276301/ into the BIOS

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evilDagmar:

I like the way it looks on the TV too much to give it up

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gardengnome:

afk, gotta get my car from the repair shop...

[15:26:23]

scopeuk:

kk

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evilDagmar:

Ach that reminds me I need to call that local shop. They wanted me to show one of their techs how to use AMIBCP to brand motherboard

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evilDagmar:

s

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Aid`:

load average: 10.90

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scopeuk:

thats slightly owver loaded

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scopeuk:

load average: 0.01

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Aid`:

im recording high quality

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scopeuk:

isent the laodaverage a readign of how backed up the cpu is

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scopeuk:

1 is fuly loaded

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scopeuk:

anything above stuff is beign qued

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Aid`:

so i guess it wasn't recorded then

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scopeuk:

probably is but every other task that should be running is backed up

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scopeuk:

iirc how load average works

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Beirdo:

IIRC, it's the average number of tasks in the time period that are on the running queue

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GreyFoxx:

Bleee

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scopeuk:

yeh there fore 10 whould be a little high

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medwards:

yeah on average 4–5 is considered bordering on excessive.

[15:46:21]

medwards:

I have a power-house server that had spamassassin processes being created and never dying and using up 90–10% CPU

[15:46:36]

medwards:

Thing wasn't accessible after it pushed beyond the 5 loadaverage

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scopeuk:

i get paranoid if it gets above 1

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medwards:

naw, 2–4 I'm not worried.

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medwards:

for a desktop it's kind of weird, but for anything high traffic.

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** medwards shrugs. **

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scopeuk:

medwards im runnign on a low powered 433

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scopeuk:

so i get easily paranoid over cpu usage

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scopeuk:

lame eats 50% cpu doing real time

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Beirdo:

heh, we had a mailserver at work that ran at a loadavg of 200 for a day before we noticed

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Beirdo:

Solaris++

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scopeuk:

ouch

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medwards:

aahhaahaha that's pretty funny.

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medwards:

so whos knows about the new mythweb? (using mod_env instead of config files)

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splattnik:

Juski: The thing is that the only hardware that is good enough has no drivers, and my kiss-dvd isnt playing xvid/divx as it should. Id also like to have one machine for all the purposes.

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zubwolf:

evilDagmar, those packages which are needed to run the voodoo card doesnt compile cleanly and refuse to install

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zubwolf:

see for yourself

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zubwolf:

root@myth:/home/dgtl/voodoo/lm_sensors-2.10.0# make user_install

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zubwolf:

grep: /usr/src/linux/include/linux/autoconf.h: No such file or directory

[15:57:12]

zubwolf:

grep: /usr/src/linux/include/linux/autoconf.h: No such file or directory

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zubwolf:

etc/config.c:7:27: linux/version.h: No such file or directory

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** medwards blinks **

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medwards:

kiss DVD?

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zubwolf:

so this is what i thought it would be, a "pain in the arse" – neverending story

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splattnik:

KiSS DVD dp-1500, yes.

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medwards:

wasn't KiSS the company that 'appropriated' mplayer code?

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medwards:

wow, dirty, it never got resolved.. and you bought that? gross.

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scopeuk:

medwards some of us have given up on holdign the moral high ground on purchases

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Beirdo:

and besides that all...

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splattnik:

dunno.. i only heard that they where the first of with playning divx..

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Fnc-1:

does anyone know how to remove the "Visit MythTV.org" on mythweb? its text is over lappying with the other stuff

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Beirdo:

mplayer is ummm... kinda on the edge of breaking a lot of IP rules anyways

[16:01:28]

scopeuk:

kinda?

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medwards:

on w32codecs?

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scopeuk:

Fnc-1 look at the source code

[16:01:48]

Beirdo:

yeah, it doesn't have ALL the codecs built in

[16:01:49]

Beirdo:

heh

[16:01:57]

Fnc-1:

...any particular file?

[16:02:06]

Beirdo:

but the ones it comes with are nearly all... grey area at best

[16:02:19]

medwards:

:/

[16:02:21]

Beirdo:

ain't gonna stop me from using it

[16:02:32]

scopeuk:

i prefer vlc myself

[16:02:37]

medwards:

I think codec patenting and licensing is BS anyways.

[16:02:50]

Beirdo:

medwards, couldn't agree more...

[16:03:01]

Beirdo:

let them have 5 years instead of 15

[16:03:01]

Fnc-1:

scopeuk: you streaming stuff over the net>

[16:03:12]

medwards:

Anyways, I'm not going to defend those practices legally (maybe morally). But when purchasing I draw the line at GPL violations.

[16:03:14]

scopeuk:

no i jsut liek the clean simple interface and low power requirements

[16:03:29]

medwards:

Thats more than stealing from another company, that's like stealing from the public.

[16:04:26]

Beirdo:

heh

[16:04:34]

Beirdo:

mplayer has no right to be GPL in reality

[16:05:34]

Beirdo:

but anyways, I like mplayer

[16:06:20]

Beirdo:

and I use ffmplayer libs in my projects...

[16:06:22]

Beirdo:

so...

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medwards:

anyways. goddamnit, why aren't there ubuntu mod_env packages :(

[16:12:07]

zubwolf:

evilDagmar, some ressource-pathes in the makefile seem to be wrong

[16:12:10]

Beirdo:

dunno, I think it's part of the apache package itself

[16:12:30]

Beirdo:

I don't remember having to do anything special to get mod_env

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medwards:

huh.. really?

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** medwards ignores work to dig around at home. **

[16:13:38]

Beirdo:

you may need to activate it in the configs, but I think that was the case

[16:15:31]

Beirdo:

/usr/sbin/apache2 -l

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Beirdo:

it's builtin on my ubuntu box

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medwards:

crap my home IP changed again.

[16:17:34]

medwards:

freaking BS, it takes like half a year for my lease to expire...

[16:17:40]

medwards:

oh wait.

[16:17:45]

medwards:

I forgot to turn it on this morning

[16:17:46]

medwards:

DOH

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zubwolf:

talent, this sucks

[16:18:54]

gardengnome:

zubwolf, talent: how's stuff going? still stuck at the voodoo driver?

[16:20:02]

zubwolf:

gardengnome, yes, the voodoo driver needs two packages which doesnt compile cleanly and refuse to install

[16:20:37]

gardengnome:

zubwolf: please put the error on pastebin.ca so i can look at it.

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zubwolf:

gardengnome, okay, just a moment

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Fnc-1:

how do i do a recursive grep?

[16:22:12]

janneg:

grep -r

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gardengnome:

Fnc-1: grep -r

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Juski:

grep -r

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gardengnome:

dammit, janneg ;)

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Juski:

anyone else?

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Beirdo:

man grep

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zubwolf:

grep -r

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Merlin83b:

grep -r

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Juski:

kickban Fnc-1

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Fnc-1:

thats what i thought... but it doesnt seem to turn up what im lookin for

[16:23:51]

Juski:

maybe it's not the right command for the job then

[16:23:52]

gardengnome:

Fnc-1: maybe you want the -i option, too. makes grep not care about case sensitivity.

[16:24:44]

zubwolf:

gardengnome, seems like the first package is not realy needed for 2.6 kernels, see for yourself

[16:24:47]

zubwolf:

http://pastebin.ca/122317

[16:24:59]

zubwolf:

theres german shell output

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zubwolf:

standard ubuntu, srry

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gardengnome:

LC_ALL=C for english output, but ich krieg das schon hin ;)

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zubwolf:

gardengnome, ah, i see:)

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** Juski has just had an idea. new mythtv distro called noobmyth. all it is, is a viewer for the docs you can run from a livecd **

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gardengnome:

zubwolf: you need to install kernel headers. wait a sec.

[16:26:52]

zubwolf:

okay

[16:27:41]

gardengnome:

zubwolf: the package is called, in my case, linux-headers-k7. if you're running a -386 kernel, it has to be "linux-headers-386" iirc. use uname -r to find out more about your kernel.

[16:28:09]

gardengnome:

Juski: and ctrl+alt+del will just spawn more document viewers...

[16:28:33]

zubwolf:

my kernel is 2.6.15-23–386, i'll give dselect a try to find the right headers

[16:28:49]

gardengnome:

Juski: it should have a boot option "educateme" that'll overwrite all hdds with the offical FAQ.

[16:29:01]

gardengnome:

zubwolf: dslect? oh no. aptitude might be better.

[16:29:07]

gardengnome:

deselect is an artefact.. ;)

[16:29:51]

Juski:

lol

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zubwolf:

gardengnome, oh, its dselect that i know from the time using debian linux, years okay before i switched to bsd:)

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zubwolf:

well, lets try aptitude

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zubwolf:

s/okay/ago

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zubwolf:

there are no headers available for this kernel version it seems

[16:33:18]

zubwolf:

maybe i should edit the sources list...

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Fnc-1:

there are themes to mythweb?

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Beirdo:

!trout Fnc-1

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** MythLogBot slaps Fnc-1 with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

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Fnc-1:

ouch

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Fnc-1:

if so how do you change them?

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zubwolf:

gardengnome, i'll get the headers from kernel.org

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TrickFinlay2:

quick question from a soon to be college freshmen,would a dual P3 system(866mhz+) be able to handle mythtv and myth music ?

[16:38:49]

RaYmAn-Bx:

depends on what it's supposed to be doing

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TrickFinlay2:

ill be recording HD/cable

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gardengnome:

zubwolf: umm.

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gardengnome:

zubwolf: i didn't know that was possible. i believe you'll have to install your own kernel then. just do an sudo apt-get install linux-headers-<whatever>

[16:40:16]

TrickFinlay2:

or would something a pentium D 805 be better?

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zubwolf:

gardengnome, like i was saying, those headers are not available

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zubwolf:

root@myth:/home/dgtl/voodoo/lm_sensors-2.10.0# sudo apt-get install linux-headers-'uanme -r'

[16:41:21]

zubwolf:

Paketlisten werden gelesen... Fertig

[16:41:21]

zubwolf:

Abhängigkeitsbaum wird aufgebaut... Fertig

[16:41:21]

zubwolf:

E: Konnte Paket linux-headers-uanme -r nicht finden

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Juski:

TrickFinlay2: a single 500Mhz p3 would handle mythtv, using the right video card & tuner. as for mythmusic... pfft.. easy

[16:41:58]

TrickFinlay2:

what about HD though?

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zubwolf:

though if i right the command correctly

[16:42:03]

zubwolf:

:)

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gardengnome:

zubwolf: umm.

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zubwolf:

sudo apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.15-23–386

[16:42:15]

zubwolf:

Paketlisten werden gelesen... Fertig

[16:42:15]

zubwolf:

Abhängigkeitsbaum wird aufgebaut... Fertig

[16:42:15]

zubwolf:

E: Konnte Paket linux-headers-2.6.15-23–386 nicht finden

[16:42:19]

Juski:

TrickFinlay2: forget the p3 for HD. forget < 2.5Ghz for HD AFAIK

[16:42:43]

gardengnome:

zubwolf: that's weird. maybe you need to enable universe or multiverse.

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TrickFinlay2:

Juski: oh wow that high for HD,but the dual p3 would more than enough for cable/music

[16:44:17]

gardengnome:

zubwolf: fyi, it's smarter to just install the metapackage.

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gardengnome:

zubwolf: apt-get install linux-headers-386

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Juski:

TrickFinlay2: yeah I'd imagine so... unless you seriously screw up

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Juski:

anyway the FAQ covers that on mythtv.org about hardware expectations

[16:45:09]

TrickFinlay2:

screw up in what way?

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Juski:

I dunno – take your pick

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TrickFinlay2:

oh ok thanks ill check that out now

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zubwolf:

gardengnome, it was because the multiverse and universe were not enabled

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zubwolf:

now it works

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gardengnome:

zubwolf: that's weird, because linux-headers-2.6.15-23–386 seems to be in the main repository, actually. but that's good to know :)

[16:48:47]

zubwolf:

:)

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Beirdo:

big buck, big bucks.... no whammies!

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zubwolf:

gardengnome, please have a look at: http://pastebin.ca/122369

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gardengnome:

zubwolf: uh. why do you need lm_sensors, btw?

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zubwolf:

gardengnome, this site says they're needed: http://www.linuxnetmag.com/en/issue7/m7tvout2.html

[17:04:18]

gardengnome:

zubwolf: humm. sorry, can't help ya there, maybe you should read some lm_sensors documentation.

[17:05:02]

zubwolf:

gardengnome, i see, no problem.

[17:05:34]

zubwolf:

gardengnome, thank you for your help to this point!!!

[17:05:57]

gardengnome:

zubwolf: ;) i only use nvidia cards, they work well for me.

[17:06:44]

zubwolf:

gardengnome, yes, maybe is should get a cheap geforce card with tv out

[17:07:15]

zubwolf:

should they work much better?

[17:07:19]

Juski:

aye

[17:07:25]

gardengnome:

zubwolf: yeah.

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gardengnome:

schpiffy-niftily.

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Juski:

better than a crappy S3 virge thingy, fer sher

[17:07:52]

Darthy:

is anyone using minimyth with an svn-built backend ?

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Darthy:

i put in a more precise question: is anyone using minimyth with backend revision >= 103xx on a via epia m10k ?

[17:10:03]

gardengnome:

Darthy: that's still not a real question because nobody knows what your problem is.

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xris:

Darthy: did you update the mythtv version on your frontend, too?

[17:10:51]

Fnc-1:

xris: there are different themes with mythweb?

[17:11:08]

Juski:

Fnc-1: kind of

[17:11:25]

xris:

there are templates (called themes in .19 and earlier), and there are skins.

[17:11:52]

Fnc-1:

i noticed the directory.. i like the default one, but was wondering how to check out the differnt ones... guess skins is prolly what im asking about then

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Juski:

I remember saying I might have a go making a skin (cough) when I have time

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zubwolf:

gardengnome, which geforce should it be, are there any differences, or is just that they need to have an tv-out?

[17:12:51]

Fnc-1:

guess all i have is the default skin

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Fnc-1:

how do you get more?? and how does one change them?

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Juski:

you change them by becoming a whizz with css & stuff

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xris:

Fnc-1: only other one is a grey one.. it's configurable in the settings

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Juski:

zubwolf: GF4 +

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Fnc-1:

is the settings a cli thing?

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xris:

Fnc-1: you can change the templates the same way. only other one there is the compact one, though. in .20, it's the "javascript-free" flavor.

[17:14:24]

Juski:

yay I finished my drawings

[17:14:27]

xris:

Fnc-1: no.. mythweb settings. icon with a wrench

[17:14:28]

Hoxzer:

Does mythtv have an option to make all records from certain channel(s) to start 5mins later

[17:14:44]

xris:

Hoxzer: I don't think per-channel, no

[17:14:55]

Fnc-1:

ahh pretty

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zubwolf:

Juski, okay, and why the gf4?

[17:15:13]

zubwolf:

cause they're the most expensive?

[17:15:13]

zubwolf:

:)

[17:15:20]

Fnc-1:

guess i never looked in there since it was called session settings... figured it had to do with connections

[17:15:20]

Juski:

zubwolf: you can't buy anything less these days

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Hoxzer:

xris: aargh I can't have subtitles from 4 channels if I dont start it 5mins later

[17:15:31]

Juski:

think fx5200 or so (like $25 or something)

[17:15:32]

gardengnome:

zubwolf: GF4 ain't most expensive, they're quite old. get a gf4 mx, though, not a TI one.

[17:15:38]

zubwolf:

Juski, not new, but used

[17:16:00]

xris:

Hoxzer: then use the "start early / end late" option in the recording schedule.

[17:16:07]

xris:

start -5 minutes early, and end 5 minutes late

[17:16:11]

Juski:

zubwolf: tv out quality on GF2 cards varies a LOT – from ok to totally sucky

[17:16:30]

zubwolf:

Juski, okay, thats a good point!:)

[17:16:35]

Beirdo:

from sucky to suckier?

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Hoxzer:

xris: yep, ... but you see if I want to record something like series I have to configure it for every record

[17:16:52]

Juski:

tv encoder chips on gf4 cards are generally pretty nice. the ones I have with the nvidia encoder are very good

[17:17:09]

Hoxzer:

and if you forgot about it "oops .... "

[17:17:27]

xris:

Hoxzer: yes. but at least you CAN... I know the per-channel settings have been talked about, but not sure if it was ever implemented

[17:17:32]

Juski:

Hoxzer: so don't forget

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zubwolf:

Juski, gardengnome, thanks for the infos

[17:17:40]

zubwolf:

lets get such a card...:>

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Fnc-1:

If any of you are streaming accross the web, what are you using? i record my shows on highquality, but would rather not trascode to stream them to the office... any suggestiong on what i might try, i have mythstreamtv, via VLC set up now, but it has to buffer like every 10 seconds...

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Hoxzer:

Juski: forget about what?

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Hoxzer:

oh

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Juski:

Hoxzer> and if you forgot about it "oops .... "

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Hoxzer:

nvm

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Hoxzer:

Yep but I'm not only one using mythbox

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xris:

Fnc-1: buffering means your bitrate is too high

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Juski:

Hoxzer: you could try telling the tv companies not to suck

[17:19:24]

Hoxzer:

jup

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Juski:

Fnc-1: you got mythstreamtv to work? a few people would appreciate it lots of you document how you did it in the wiki-wiki-wah ;-)

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galorin:

With this tv-out thing, can 16:9 resolutions be sent, or do they have to be 4:3.. or would that be an individual card thing

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zubwolf:

Juski, gardengnome, http://www.mindfactory.de/cgi-bin/MindStore.s . . . View/0311742 this one should be okay then?

[17:22:36]

Juski:

galorin: I'm outputting 16:9 at 720x576 thru my tv-out

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galorin:

sweet, so I can get that cheap-ish widescreen :)

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Juski:

zubwolf: looks fine to me :)

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gardengnome:

zubwolf: looks good. you might wanna make sure that this card supports at least composite and s-video.

[17:24:11]

Juski:

mine only has svideo out but came with a little adapter plug thingy

[17:24:26]

gardengnome:

Juski: mine too.

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galorin:

Oh, have any of you heard of MediaPortal? My in-law decided to strip Myth off the PC that I worked hard to set up for him, put on winXP and is using MediaPortal. He's crowing about it not crashing, but I'll just wait.

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gardengnome:

galorin: i heard it's slow. but i'm not gonna comment on it any further because i've never tried it.

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zubwolf:

gardengnome, okay, i'll check it out

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gardengnome:

Juski: missed my query? ;)

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Juski:

galorin: there's a bunch of stuff myth can do that mediaportal doesn't do... and I've never seen linux crash. EVER.. unlike windows :-P

[17:26:07]

galorin:

I tried it for 5 minutes, got fed up with it and handed the remote back to him... so I didn't exactly explore it. but building ANYTHING off Windows is a recipe for disaster.

[17:26:30]

Juski:

winlirc is pretty stinky too, IME

[17:26:41]

Juski:

polling the serial port all the time? lol

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Juski:

last time I tried MP I thought it looked nice, but it was slow as fuck on a 2800 Athlon XP with a directx9 graphics card :-/

[17:27:55]

zubwolf:

galorin, minimum requirement is an 1400mhz cpu, that sukks, but it looks quite well to me, i didnt try'd it also

[17:28:14]

galorin:

The only thing that crashed on his box was mythmusic, but that's where he spent most of his time... after saying he wanted a PVR he rarely recorded stuff.

[17:29:02]

Juski:

oops I forgot I once made mythmusic crash.. back in 0.16/0.17 days

[17:29:42]

Juski:

tried playing an empty playlist & it segfaulted

[17:30:00]

Juski:

never did manage to reproduce it ;-)

[17:30:11]

galorin:

He could force it to crash on a whim, but he's that way with stuff. Heck, he's had to send a car in for repairs because the seat broke... and he's just a waif of a person.

[17:30:27]

Juski:

sounds like he deserves a good trouting

[17:31:11]

galorin:

I told him I wouldn't have anything more to do with it if he put Windows on it... and I daresay it's going to overheat and die on him one of these days.

[17:31:12]

Juski:

anyway.. time I went home. inheriting a 'new' mobile phone today :) It has like... a_screen_ & everything!

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Fnc-1:

juksi: sorry boss wanted to go to lunch... im not sure what all i did... i could probably help some people figure it out though... there is a new version for .19 not on souceforge or where ever it was

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Fnc-1:

juski: look here... http://jogibear9988.dyndns.org:2080/

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gardengnome:

juski ain't here :)

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Fnc-1:

xris: what bit rate you normally set things at?

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Fnc-1:

oh.. oops

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xris:

Fnc-1: I don't stream stuff

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Fnc-1:

oh... you were just sayin...

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Fnc-1:

got cha

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xris:

the other thing you could do is make your player's download buffer larger

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Fnc-1:

cool

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Fnc-1:

theres two codec's one looks like crap, one works pretty well

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c4t3l:

has anyone here ever used mythtv in conjunction with a home security system? I'm working on an integrated system using asterisk, mythtv and ehternet-based cameras

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Fnc-1:

c4t3l

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Fnc-1:

check out motion

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Fnc-1:

or, zone minder

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TRiSS:

has anybody ever seen this error message: myth_system():Error, fork() failed because Cannot allocate memory

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TRiSS:

I seem to get it after installing an agp graphics card, when myth tries to start an external player

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Fnc-1:

pull your memory and reseat it?

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c4t3l:

sweet!!, I think that zoneminder is close to what I'm looking for

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Fnc-1:

c4t3l: they make an iso, that boots up and installs everything

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TRiSS:

no, already checked the amount of system memory, which has stayed the same since

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Fnc-1:

i sure would like to know how you get things setup with myth

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Fnc-1:

TRiSS: id pull the memory and reseat it, then id run some memory tests

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TRiSS:

strange thing is the player (xine) works perfectly outside of myth

[18:27:41]

gardengnome:

anyone using mvpmc with 0.19? does it work well?

[18:27:54]

Fnc-1:

memory address is wacky... if one program tries to write to a specific place, and that spot is bad... you can ave issues

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Fnc-1:

gardengnome: whats that?

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gardengnome:

Fnc-1: mvpmc.sf.net

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Fnc-1:

that means, no, but im interested in what it is

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TRiSS:

i might offcourse run memtest, yust to be sure

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Fnc-1:

just one thing to test

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TRiSS:

mm, I'll give it a try, one never knows... though i don't think it's a physical problem.... thanks anyway!

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Fnc-1:

cannnot allocate.. maybe something else is using the memory space...

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Fnc-1:

gardengnome: pretty neat

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TRiSS:

my wild guess is it's got to do something zith agpgart

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TRiSS:

since my previous card was a pci one, and the problem started after replacing it with an agp one

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Fnc-1:

agp cards, can share system memory...

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Fnc-1:

not sure if that has anything to do with it or not

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Fnc-1:

might look in the bios and try disableing that... i really have no clue

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TRiSS:

i already fiddled around a bit zith the agp aperture size

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TRiSS:

but that didn't seem to help

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Fnc-1:

try disableing the shared system memory stuffs?

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Fnc-1:

Juski: http://jogibear9988.dyndns.org:2080/

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medwards:

Fnc-1: that link times out.

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Juski:

ahh good ole jogibear :)

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Fnc-1:

thats the stuff for .19

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gardengnome:

wb Juski

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Fnc-1:

it was pretty straightforward... took me a while to find his site.. whereever mythtstreamtv was pointing to originally had old stuffs

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Juski:

cheers gardengnome

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Juski:

I saw a headline on a newspaper today saying that the chiefs behind Big Brother were going to be probed. About fucking time :-D

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Juski:

Fnc-1: the mythtv.org wiki should be updated if it's not already up to speed

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Fnc-1:

it looks fixed to me

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Fnc-1:

now

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Juski:

ok so I installed it without any errors.. and no mythstream stuff in mythweb

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gardengnome:

that's because you're looking for mythstreamtv, silly.

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** gardengnome runs **

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Fnc-1:

did you edit the stuff it says

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Juski:

no need.. the install script made it happen already

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Fnc-1:

dit the include/init.php

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Fnc-1:

so you have this?

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Fnc-1:

'streamtv' => null,

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Fnc-1:

then you need to go into the language dir

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Fnc-1:

and run the update script thingy

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Juski:

oops I didn't RTFM

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Juski:

!trout Juski RTFM

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** MythLogBot slaps Juski with a RTFM trout on behalf of Juski... **

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Fnc-1:

build_translation.pl

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Fnc-1:

i didnt see that i dont think

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Juski:

ooo. now I think I just need to get the right vlc stuff & I'm sorted

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Fnc-1:

juski: what distro you usein?

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Juski:

gentoo

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kormoc:

for the win!

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Fnc-1:

ah, im fedora... just did yum, and vlc was good to go

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Juski:

yeh well. there are some USE flags to mess with here

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Juski:

bloody hell those configure lines are long enough!

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Fnc-1:

you talking about the ones in the streamtv doc?

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Juski:

yep

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Fnc-1:

dont know if there is a package for gentoo or not, i used the one for fedora, and didnt have to recompile from source – thinking maybe you could do the same

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Juski:

I can see why it's an unofficial plugin though – the README file doesn't wrap at 80 chars :-P

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Fnc-1:

xris: i gotta (i think) small request on mythweb, when your browseing through the listings, anyway you could put that arrow at the top, all the way down the side, so if im looking whats on channel 60, i dont have to scroll up to see whats on at a later time..?

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Juski:

hmmm. might help a tad if VLC had httpd, stream & maybe rtsd built in eh...

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splattnik:

rtsd?

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xris:

Fnc-1: "that arrow".. if it's what I'm thinking of, it repeats every N lines (configurable)

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Fnc-1:

cool

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Fnc-1:

where does one configure that?

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Juski:

oh yay. oh _yay_ !!

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Fnc-1:

you got it working juski?

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Juski:

aye

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Juski:

helps when vlc is built with httpd & crap

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Fnc-1:

heh

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Darthy:

what is this myth-artwork directory mythweb demands when clicking on the video button?

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Fnc-1:

xris: mythweb/themes/default/img/right.gif (images) address mythweb/tv/list?time=1155076200#anchor1

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Juski:

Darthy: probably a symlink to the directory where you store video posters

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Darthy:

Juski > how can mythtv get video covers+infos automatically?

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Juski:

it can't

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Juski:

you have to tell it to from the videomanager

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Darthy:

k

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Fnc-1:

Darthy

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Fnc-1:

happen to have your stuff in dvd profiler?

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Fnc-1:

oops hes gone

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Juski:

mythstreamtv now has a wiki entry

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Fnc-1:

yeah it does

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Fnc-1:

i just sawed it

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Juski:

amazing how articles just appear like that isn't it?

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Fnc-1:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Unofficial_Plugins

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Fnc-1:

under wetyweb addons

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Juski:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Mythstreamtv

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Juski:

try that one

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Fnc-1:

nice

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Fnc-1:

did you just add that?

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medwards:

Guys, this jogibear9988 link does *not* work for me. Is it working for you?

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Fnc-1:

yeah

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Fnc-1:

http://jogibear9988.dyndns.org:2080/

[20:25:41]

Fnc-1:

clikc lick

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medwards:

can you run host on it?

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jepeltw:

hello all, I'm trying to set up a remote frontend and can't make it connect to the backend. Mythtv can connect to the database, and the local frontend works

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Fnc-1:

huh?

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Fnc-1:

jepeltw

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Fnc-1:

go into mythtv-setup

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medwards:

I'm getting this as an IP for it.217.227.101.159

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jepeltw:

Fnc-1, on which machine, frontend or backend?

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Fnc-1:

and set it in there, instead of the 127.0.0.1

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Fnc-1:

backend

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Fnc-1:

med.. what are you trying to do?

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Juski:

Fnc-1: yes I just added it. and I just corrected it too

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Juski:

it's _wiki_ _week_ after all

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Fnc-1:

cool...

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Juski:

jepeltw: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php . . . p;highlight=

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medwards:

I'm trying to get a page to display on jogibear

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Juski:

don't be like that guy & totally miss the MASTER SERVER IP ADDRESS setting now will you?

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medwards:

I keep getting timeouts.

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Juski:

hrm. I'm gonna offer to host it for him

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scopeuk:

jevening all

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medwards:

times out on firefox and IE

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scopeuk:

any one else noticed firefox seams to be a bit clunky and slow atm

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jepeltw:

Juski, ah, I used the hostname instead of IP address

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Juski:

this fucking star trek noise GAIM keeps making is making me angry

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scopeuk:

change it?

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Juski:

disabled it

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Juski:

I hate audio feedback

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scopeuk:

i do for sending mesages andreciving them with the window up

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scopeuk:

but its handy when you have windows minimised and are otherwise distracted

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Aid`:

does anyone here use a SAT tuner card?

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scopeuk:

dvb-s?

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medwards:

couldn't you make mythbackend accept connections on all interfaces and then you could run everything over loopback.

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Aid`:

scopeuk: is that the 'proper' name for it? because i do not know

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scopeuk:

Aid` i belvie so

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scopeuk:

dvb being the digital standard and s indicating the satalite derivitive

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Aid`:

okay thanks that'll help my searches

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Aid`:

yeah it make sense

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Fnc-1:

you also got dvb-t

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Fnc-1:

and something else

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scopeuk:

dvb-c

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Fnc-1:

digital video broadcast

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scopeuk:

is it dvb c for cable

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scopeuk:

and dvb-t is terestrial

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Fnc-1:

yup yup

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neddy:

what does terrestrial mean?

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neddy:

isn't that just cable tv?

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scopeuk:

through an arial

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neddy:

ah

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Aid`:

because right now i have an external box with video/audio out and i change channel manually. Now we're deciding to buy another box so we can receive two sats at once. I figure it would just be best to get a dvb-s instead of another fta receiver and all the IR blaster and receiver stuff

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neddy:

arial is an antenna, right?

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scopeuk:

yup

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Juski:

so.. who's been participating in wiki week so far? Seen any gaps you'd like to fill? One criticism of mythtv is that its docs need some work – this is your chance to help :-) The more, the better. Give something back ;)

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medwards:

aerial

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Juski:

arial is a _font_

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medwards:

Juski: I'm going to upload how to make Dapper debs tonight.

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scopeuk:

Juski the other big one is that were all a bunch of nasty gits

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neddy:

Juski: wiki week?

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scopeuk:

well and the its a bastard to configure thing

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neddy:

Juski: link?

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medwards:

I think Juski is making it up, but I want to contribute anyhoo

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jepeltw:

is it possible to view the EPG without having a tuner? The S key doesn't work at the main menu and I (obviously) can't get into the Watch TV screen

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Juski:

yeah... action week in the wiki pages... wiki.mythtv.org

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Fnc-1:

the wiki confuses me...

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scopeuk:

which part of it confuses you?

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Juski:

it's not gonna be the last either... we need positive action in there. corrections, additions, the works...

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Fnc-1:

just that things seem in wierd places

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Fnc-1:

need to pop that search button, up in the top right hand corner

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medwards:

Fnc-1: well yeah, but the weirdly place stuff is actually useful and relevant.

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Juski:

so? you can put links in anywhere, to anything else in the wiki.. cross reference it all

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Fnc-1:

drop stuff in main page, under categories

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Juski:

so? get in there & categorise stuff with the [[Category:Name]] tag

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Juski:

so long as you're careful

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Fnc-1:

juski if its not in there, stuff on the imon_vfd and remote

[20:40:15]

Juski:

if you know how, put it in there.

[20:40:20]

Fnc-1:

imon revels not seaches...

[20:40:48]

Fnc-1:

basically just a link to venky.ws page, and saying that 5.0 doesnt work with .19, need to use .45

[20:41:01]

medwards:

so do it man!

[20:41:05]

Juski:

to make a new page...put something like http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Newpage in the address bar... if it doesn't exist already you'll get the chance to edit it

[20:41:09]

medwards:

Oh I better go resever medwards

[20:41:30]

Fnc-1:

im not registed, and i'd have to look things up at home.. to make it worth while to people

[20:41:44]

medwards:

me too

[20:41:49]

medwards:

going to register now though

[20:41:54]

Juski:

yeah well – it's not just about this week, but I'm personally rattling up a stink about it now

[20:42:08]

Juski:

it's open 24/7, 365 ;)

[20:42:14]

Fnc-1:

also what are people always asking about in the channel... remote stuff... dont know if that in there, but it could probably use some updating

[20:42:19]

Fnc-1:

understoof

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Fnc-1:

er understood

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Juski:

also if you find any broken links, please try to fix them ;)

[20:43:23]

medwards:

wheres teh sandbox.

[20:43:28]

Juski:

and above all remember that other people might be relying on the info you put in there, so be careful

[20:43:44]

Juski:

you don't need a sandbox – everything you edit can be previewed

[20:43:50]

medwards:

oh yeah

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medwards:

omg

[20:44:02]

medwards:

this is too much

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medwards:

I already gave you my email

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Juski:

diffs are saved too, so no changes are irreversable

[20:44:09]

medwards:

turn off email confirmation.

[20:45:07]

Fnc-1:

Juski, i dont know if its there, but i would recomend adding someting about where all lircrc needs to be... ive seen that be an issue in here on multiple occasions...

[20:45:33]

Fnc-1:

to find where they have it, might i sugest they run updatedb, follows by locate lircrc

[20:45:34]

Juski:

you have the power

[20:45:39]

Fnc-1:

...im scared

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Juski:

don't be :)

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Fnc-1:

i dont wanna mess something up

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scopeuk:

Juski one question does it havea spell check or am i gonan have to write them in *office first

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Juski:

no changes you make are final – previous versions can be brought back

[20:46:18]

scopeuk:

Fnc-1 thats what the diffs are for

[20:46:34]

** Fnc-1 has never posted anything to a wiki before **

[20:46:46]

Juski:

people can correct your work, add/amend/delete..

[20:46:54]

Juski:

so don't worry :)

[20:46:57]

scopeuk:

ive posted a few additions and repaired alot of vandalism atempts

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Juski:

vandalism?

[20:47:14]

scopeuk:

not on the myth tv one

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Juski:

ah (thank $deity!)

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scopeuk:

but thefree60 one gets attacked alot peopel chaning pages to viagra adverts etc

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Juski:

right I've got other stuff to do..

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Juski:

bbl

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scopeuk:

l8rs jsuk

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scopeuk:

Juski*

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medwards:

wth.. no lame ass confirmation code yet.

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Aid`:

http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_novas.html does that mean its PAL?

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xris:

Aid`: if it's dvb, it's likely pal

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Aid`:

xris: i have a DVB receiver and it works on my tv and im in america

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Aid`:

xris: can you recommend any satellite tuner cards?

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xris:

Aid`: for the US? I think mine's a twinhan one

[21:14:26]

Aid`:

yes for the usa

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Aid`:

mind getting the exact name?

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xris:

I'm wrong: http://www.cyberestore.com/skystar-dvbs-satel . . . ol-p-77.html

[21:15:26]

xris:

it's that one

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xris:

remote sucks

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xris:

I haven't actually used it, yet. I was hoping it would work with my dishnetwork LNB, but it doesn't... so I have to wait for time/money to get my own lnb's

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neddy:

xris: what's an lnb?

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neddy:

I'm kinda wondering if this is feasible for me

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jepeltw:

low noise block, the thingy on your dish where the cable connects

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xris:

neddy: it's basically the signal collector on the dish

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Aid`:

neddy: its the 'eye' on a satellite dish

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neddy:

k

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Aid`:

xris: does this work on 2.6 linux?

[21:17:19]

xris:

Aid`: yeah

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xris:

I could connect to the card and attempt channel scans, but they wouldn't work properly.. I've since been told that it's a problem with the lnb or diseqc switch used by dishnet

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Aid`:

great!

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Aid`:

can this card send out signals (for example change a DiSEqC switch?)

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Aid`:

nm

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Aid`:

does this need an external cable for sound? like going from audio out to the sound card?

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xris:

Aid`: no, that should be encoded in the signal

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Aid`:

xris: have you ever seen any primestar dishes in the neighborhood?

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xris:

I just need to decide between 75cm and 18" dishes... not really sure what I can get with 75cm to justify the cost difference. I know there isn't a lot of FTA stuff on 18"

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xris:

Aid`: nope

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xris:

dishnet, eliptical dishnet (asian channels), 75cm

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Aid`:

18'' ?

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Aid`:

i can get all KU satellites with my 1m dish

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xris:

yeah, dishnet, dtv are all 18"

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xris:

1m?

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Aid`:

100cm

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xris:

never seen a 1m dish for sale

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Aid`:

lol i found it on the side of the road

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Aid`:

for trash

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xris:

and it's not 75cm?

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Aid`:

no it says 1m dish on the back

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Aid`:

its wonderful it has tons of gain the signal dies well after directv does

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Aid`:

when it rains of course

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xris:

cool

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Daedalus_:

xris: what's so unusual about that? Older dishes were all sorts of sizes.

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xris:

Daedalus_: just haven't seen any that size for sale

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Aid`:

how come a F-Connection input, you can't jsut plug it into that and get the signal?

[21:29:49]

Aid`:

like connect the lnb directly to the tv tuner card

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xris:

no clue

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xris:

I don't really know anything about this satellite stuff

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Aid`:

alright thanks for pointing me in the right direction though

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Aid`:

if you need any help at all if you get a ku dish ask me anytime

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Aid`:

http://www.cyberestore.com/skystar-dvbs-satel . . . ol-p-77.html

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Aid`:

sorry

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xris:

Aid`: wife won't let me get anything big

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Aid`:

these aren't too big actually small enough to put on the roof if youy want

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xris:

Aid`: if you can see it from the front of the house, it's too big

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scopeuk:

xris on a post at the end of the garden?

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xris:

heh

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scopeuk:

you think im joking

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Aid`:

thats a good idea

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Aid`:

actually

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xris:

scopeuk: garden is definitely out of the question

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scopeuk:

side of house or chimney?

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xris:

I live on a hill. it'd be visible from one side or another

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scopeuk:

damn

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xris:

I move in 3–4 years.

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Aid`:

gah i can't ever find anything on google im looking for

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scopeuk:

what are you looking for?

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Saviq:

does anyone know how to start mythfrontend so it wouldn't grab keyboard focus?

[21:52:28]

Aid`:

for how to record stuff with mencoder and manually enter in freq, SR, VPID and APID.

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Saviq:

I try to run it on second screen – and getting the keyboard back requires me to kill the xserver :|

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Aid`:

i have an analog pci card. It has an F connector, my satellite dish also has an F connector. If i plug the satellite dish into the analog pci card will i be able to get any signal from it?

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GreyFoxx:

analog as in a regular tv tuner ?

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Aid`:

yes

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GreyFoxx:

No, you wont be able to use that :) You will require a DVB-S card :)

[22:08:31]

janneg:

or a satellite receiver

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Aid`:

dang

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GreyFoxx:

janneg: That too :)

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Aid`:

lol was hoping..

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Led-Hed:

I just got a 50" HD Plasma. Trying to figure out the best way to manage HDTV with Myth.

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Led-Hed:

Should I build a new Front/Back just for the Plasma, the new backend would be a Slave Backend.

[22:13:24]

Led-Hed:

Storage would be on the Primary Backend.

[22:15:15]

Led-Hed:

anyone know how much bandwidth HD takes up? I have GigE, but I'm wondering if thats enough. If the HD backend is storing the content over the network on the Primary Backend

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scopeuk:

led gigE should be beough

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Led-Hed:

for 1 HD stream and 4 SDTV streams?

[22:16:13]

scopeuk:

god could you imagine if didgital content providers needed over a gig per channel to suply content

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scopeuk:

im prerty sure its only a few hunred megabit

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scopeuk:

depends what your storing it in though of ocurse

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Led-Hed:

I wonder if my RAID is fast enough

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scopeuk:

if its in rtjpeg it will kill the ne4twork

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scopeuk:

mpeg 4 whould be fine

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scopeuk:

Led-Hed that i cant help with

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Led-Hed:

mpeg2

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Led-Hed:

isnt HDTV over the air, Mpeg2

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scopeuk:

yeh mpeg2 at hd is within gig e compatability

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scopeuk:

led yes

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Agrajag-:

Led-Hed: in .au the SD streams seem to be 10–12mbit/sec and hd streams are up to 20ish i think

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scopeuk:

but one could convert it on recpetion

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scopeuk:

so 20 + 4*12 gives us 68 Mb

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Agrajag-:

in fact some dvb sd streams here get up to 15mbit/sec as far as i can remember

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Led-Hed:

since Over the Air HDTV is already in Mpeg2 format, there is no encoding taking place right?

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laga:

scopeuk: you can't transcode incoming dvb streams on-the-fly with mythtv. if it comes as mpeg2, it'll stay mpeg2 – unless you transcode it after recording.

[22:18:42]

Aid`:

20mb a second.. how can a cpu keepup with it

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Agrajag-:

Led-Hed: if you're talking dvb, yes

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Agrajag-:

Aid`: the cpu doesn't do anything?

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scopeuk:

Aid` you jsut take the dbv data stream in mpeg 2 and pipe it to disk

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scopeuk:

the cpu doesnt touch the stream

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Aid`:

i see

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Led-Hed:

I have standard SDTV cable. But want to use a HDTV antenna to pickup the local HD channels

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scopeuk:

dvb*

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Led-Hed:

humm

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Agrajag-:

Led-Hed: if you're talking dvb, you dont need any special antenna for it.. those things are a scam

[22:20:40]

Agrajag-:

dvb-t thatis

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b8zs:

Is there anyway to speed-up the program guide?

[22:20:57]

b8zs:

When I scroll down it takes forever to load the next channel

[22:21:10]

b8zs:

I have it on the lowest cpu shading setting :[

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Led-Hed:

I'll have to do some more research on HD. I dont even know what dvb is. (Digital Video Broadcast?)

[22:21:56]

Agrajag-:

Led-Hed: what country are you in?

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Led-Hed:

US

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Agrajag-:

oh ok yeah you don't have dvb-t

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Aid`:

is there a place to see if a satellite tuner card is compatable with 2,6kernel? ican't find any decent sites with what i need

[22:23:16]

scopeuk:

there is a site with all of the cards suported

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scopeuk:

its linked off the wiki

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Led-Hed:

wait. Wikipedia says HD is 1920x1080. But my native res is 1366x768. does that mean I cant recieve 1080i HDTV?

[22:25:19]

Aid`:

category hardware?

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scopeuk:

Aid` belive so

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scopeuk:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Video_captur . . . ds_that_work

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scopeuk:

might be a start

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Saviq:

can anyone tell me how to switch keyboard focus from :0.1 to :1?

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Aid`:

ok great! thanks

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Saviq:

myth steals my keyboard and does not want to give it back...

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scopeuk:

its nice like that

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scopeuk:

belive i remember seeing someign on the wiki about configuring that Saviq

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Saviq:

maybe it's nice... but I have a two headed setup ;)

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Saviq:

for now

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Saviq:

and want to have myth on tv while working on crt

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scopeuk:

yeh i know

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scopeuk:

was meant to be sarcastic

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Saviq:

ah

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Saviq:

didn't notice that ;)

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nikozu:

i just upgraded to ivtv 0.7.0 and now livetv isn't working anymore... it just jumps back to the menu. trying the cat /dev/video0 test will capture sound, but the screen is black. any ideas? things were working fine before the upgrade

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GreyFoxx:

hrm, can anyone recommend and rss extension for firefox ?

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Saviq:

what do U need an extension for?

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Saviq:

it's built in

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GreyFoxx:

Ok, then I'm just blind

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Saviq:

"dynamic bookmark"

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scopeuk:

its called live bookmarks iirc

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scopeuk:

in which case idrc

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nikozu:

am i in the wrong channel with my question?

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Led-Hed:

is there a way to use a pcHDTV card and a PVR250 for the same tv? There are only going to be a handfull of channels in HD, how would I go about using setting up a frontend to use the pcHDTV for channels yxz, and a PVR205 for the other 96 channels?

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scopeuk:

nikozu have you added the firmware back

[22:41:05]

scopeuk:

and droping by ivtv.org might be a goog idea

[22:41:10]

nikozu:

yeah, and from looking at dmesg is initialized succsfully

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nikozu:

scopeuk: what revisions are you using?

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scopeuk:

nikozu im not

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scopeuk:

there are pleanty of ivtv users in here

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nikozu:

yeah, which is why i asked here first :P

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scopeuk:

the jumping back is a comon problem

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scopeuk:

have you tried our wiki?

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scopeuk:

or some of the user forums

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nikozu:

jumping back?

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scopeuk:

from live tv to the menu

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GreyFoxx:

Aha, I wasn't blind. This machine just has an ancient version of firefox on it

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scopeuk:

fair neough

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nikozu:

ok, i just double checked the checksums on the firmware and they match what's on the ivtvdriver.org site... and since there aren't any warnings/errors in the ivtv section of dmesg i'm not really sure why i'm getting a black screen.... any ivtv users out there that can help?

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scopeuk:

is it animcompatability with the current version of myth and ahve you checked the mailing lists?

[23:08:12]

Saviq:

ok I have another question... did any of You get special chars in mythvideo metadata?

[23:09:28]

nikozu:

scopeuk: it was working just fine with myth before i upgraded ivtv... i really don't think the reason it's not working has anything to do with mythtv because i'm getting a black screen when cat'ing the /dev/video0 device

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scopeuk:

hmm

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scopeuk:

has the video device moved?

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scopeuk:

eg is it now calling the svid in /dev/video0

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scopeuk:

and tuner has moved

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nikozu:

ivtv-detect says /dev/video0 is MPEG encoding

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Pio:

are there any specific gotchas to worry about when purchasing a hauppage pvr card for your myth box?

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Pio:

im looking at this guy http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815116633

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Led-Hed:

Pio: if you are wondering if it is reported to work with MythTV, then yes. As far as its performance and ease of install, You'll have to consult the Mailing List. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/

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Pio:

cool

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Pio:

i'm poking around the ivtv driver site now..

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scopeuk:

or for the easy option there is always knoppmyth

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Aid`:

xris you here?

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xris:

busy

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Saviq:

Led-Hed: about running pcHDTV and pvr for the same channels – there are two ways, I think (no experience, tho')

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Saviq:

setting up two channels – one with source HDTV, second with source PVR

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Saviq:

or setting the pvr just with the channels that can't be found on HD

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Saviq:

If I'm correct the way to do this is setting the source in channel editor

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Saviq:

but all that is just my idea of how it should work, no idea if it's true, tho...

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Aid`:

the only thing bad about this remote is because the serial port is onthe back of the computer? http://www.cyberestore.com/skystar-dvbs-satel . . . ol-p-77.html

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Aid`:

and because the cord, or the lack there of acord is the problem?

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Led-Hed:

Saviq: so if I have a PVR250 and omit (ABC, NCB,CBS, FOX) from its channel line up, and Only have (ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX) on the pcHDTV, will it still surf through the channels in order or would I need to change tunners

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Led-Hed:

oh, that doesnt do me any good. Then my other Frontends wont ba able to access ABC NBC CBS or FOX

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Saviq:

not quite sure...

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GreyFoxx:

Led-Hed: Why not just setup 2 lineups with zap2it. 1 for the pchdtv card, one for the pvrcard

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Saviq:

that's it

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GreyFoxx:

2 video sources, 1 per lineup

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Led-Hed:

GreyFoxx: ok, but how do I tell the Plasma Frontend to use them both

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GreyFoxx:

Led-Hed: How do you mean, "use them both". It's actually the backend that uses them

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Led-Hed:

yes, but I cant display HD on any other tv other than the Plasma, so do I have to tell the Plasma frontend to use a specific tunner?

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xris:

Led-Hed: no

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xris:

the other machines will just downsize

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Led-Hed:

oh

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kormoc:

for better or worse

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Led-Hed:

can I prevent another frontend from using the pcHDTV card?

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xris:

not really

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Led-Hed:

that way its always available to the Plasma

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xris:

esp. if you removed the non-hd channels from the lineup

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Aid`:

xris: whats so sucky about the New Skystar 2 DVB-S Satellite PCI card's remote control?

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xris:

Aid`: the one I have? it's just sucky, did you look at the pic?

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nikozu:

when i run mythtv-setup and go to Input Connections i'm not seeing Tuner 0... i see Tuner 1, S-Video 1,2 and Composite 1,2,3.... how do i get Tuner 0 to show up? Under Capture Cards I've got my PVR-350 setup and the default input is Tuner 0 (it is there in that drop-down)

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xris:

Aid`: I'm comparing it to my mce remote, which is really nice.

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GreyFoxx:

Led-Hed: I don't believe there is any mechanism in myth to prevent a frontend from accessing a card

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kormoc:

nikozu, try tuner-1? you only have one tuner

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Aid`:

what freq range does the IR Receiver that comes with it receive?

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scopeuk:

generaly ir

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xris:

Aid`: no clue. I didn't try it.

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Led-Hed:

I may just go old school. and not DVR the HDTV. just set 1 input for the HD Antenna, the other for the Myth.

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xris:

the big problem with the receiver is that it's a serial nub.. no cable. so it lives on the back of your computer, pointing away from the remote.

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SlicerDicer-:

Led-Hed: you can switch inputs rather simple with "y" or is that a big deal?

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GreyFoxx:

Led-Hed: You can certainly do that, but if you have the card, why not use it ?

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xris:

Led-Hed: why does it matter?

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nikozu:

kormoc: why is there Tuner 0 and Tuner 1 in the Capture Card setup drop-down?

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Aid`:

xris: if you have a serial cable so you can extend it, its fine :P

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kormoc:

nikozu, donno, could just be detecting them wrong

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xris:

Aid`: true

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xris:

mce remote is nicer, though

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kormoc:

much nicer :)

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Aid`:

let me look it up

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Led-Hed:

Well I dont want the HD card to be occupied by a SDTV frontend. I want it to be available to the Plasma when I want to watch TV.

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kormoc:

just don't watch live tv!

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kormoc:

problem solved! :P

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scopeuk:

or setup your sd card to also recive the same channels the hd ones

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Led-Hed:

SlicerDicer-: "y" would work assuminig the card isnt already in use my another frontend

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GreyFoxx:

Led-Hed: Why not use both? If you have an HDTV tuner in your set that you can attach to an antenna, why not use it for Live HDTV, and the pchdtv for recording

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Led-Hed:

I dont think I have a HD tunner built into the TV

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** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

that seems... limited.

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Led-Hed:

its a monitor

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GreyFoxx:

kormoc: Many are like that

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kormoc:

ooh

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Aid`:

tehre aren't any

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GreyFoxx:

"HDTV ready" = "no tuner"

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Aid`:

HD channels around here

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Led-Hed:

50" for $2000 at costco

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kormoc:

yeah

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kormoc:

can't get a LCD tv that cheap, sadly

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kormoc:

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Pro . . . &browse=

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kormoc:

that's the one I'll likely buy (if they don't change too much in the next few months

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Led-Hed:

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Pro . . . &browse=

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stack_:

I redid my Fedora MythTV box and now my TV output is square. The interface fills the screen. I have X, All Profiles and the device set to 720x480. It's a PVR-350 and ivtv 0.7.0... any ideas?

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Led-Hed:

says "ATSC/ NTSC Tuner"

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kormoc:

Led-Hed, welp, guess you have a tuner then

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Led-Hed:

yup

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kormoc:

Led-Hed, watch out with burn-in tho, plasma's get it really really fast and easy

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Led-Hed:

so I'll just plug that into the TV. Only it doesnt have a CoAx connector. So how do I plug the TV into the Antenna?

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kormoc:

1x RF(F Connector for internal ATSC/QAM/NTSC Tuner)

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Led-Hed:

humm. but the TV I have doesnt have one.

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Led-Hed:

Maybe I got a different TV

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Led-Hed:

;)

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Led-Hed:

lol

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kormoc:

heh, perhaps

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kormoc:

but luckly, you can return it and get the right one

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Led-Hed:

humm.

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Led-Hed:

Costco sells the P50HDTV online. But my box is P50HDM (M = Monitor) that sucks..

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kormoc:

so return it

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Led-Hed:

yup

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kormoc:

Gotta love that return policy

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D-side:

if it lets you do whtever you want and get away with it, yes, yes you do

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kormoc:

D-side, it's a life-time, if you don't love it, get a full refund

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gardengnome:

awesome!

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scopeuk:

wish i had that on my gfx

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Led-Hed:

damn it. Now I have to rebox it and unmount it from the wall!

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scopeuk:

return that now i could upgradeaout 50 modles

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** scopeuk waves good bye to Led-Hed's plans for the next week **

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Led-Hed:

yup

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Led-Hed:

maybe I can just buy the tunner from the manufacture that would be easier. assuming its not too expensive....

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Saviq:

and mount it into the monitor?

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Saviq:

don't think it's a good idea...

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Saviq:

warranty down the drain

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Led-Hed:

why not. Its just a card that slides in

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scopeuk:

your myth box whould act as a tuner

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kormoc:

scopeuk, amusingly enough, that's the issue

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scopeuk:

if it is stupid money that is

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