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Tuesday, July 25th, 2006, 00:01 UTC

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unrooting:

does anyone know whot to rip dvd to an avi with mythdvd?

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Fnc:

hey all.. when setting up multiple frontends.. i seem to be missing something with mysql... cant seem to connect to the backend sql server? looks like im talking to mythbackend though it says its adding <ip address> as a client

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unrooting:

check out the log

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Fnc:

think i just saw it

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Fnc:

er what the problem was rather

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unrooting:

/var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

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unrooting:

alright well post back if u didn't

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unrooting:

does anyone know whot to rip dvd to an avi with mythdvd?

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bluef0x:

anyone know how to change the looks of the channel info displayed (when you change channels that big ol' thing that pops down saying channel # and program)?

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sphery:

bluef0x: /topic

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sphery:

Ask about "OSD themes" on #mythtv-users to find out...

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sphery:

anyone around who can answer a quick question about the digital frequency tables?

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bluef0x:

...

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bluef0x:

I am in here

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sphery:

Oops..

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sphery:

I'm stupid.

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sphery:

wrong channel.

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tjcarter:

LOL!

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sphery:

OK, so bluef0x they're called OSD themes.

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** tjcarter falls over laughing **

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** sphery dies of embarrasment **

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bluef0x:

lol

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sphery:

new IRC client

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tjcarter:

sphery: it has to happen to everyone sooner or later

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sphery:

still getting used to it...

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sphery:

Here I was telling bluef0x he's on the wrong channel and really I am...

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sphery:

Anyway, bluef0x, there are a couple of OSD themes in the mythtv distribution, including defaultosd, Isthmus, Titivillus-OSD

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bluef0x:

where do u go to change it? i tried looking in appearance and i think program guide

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GreyFoxx:

That reminds me to see if Isaac wouldmind if I added Gray-OSD to the myththemes list

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sphery:

You can change the OSD theme in frontend settings under General settings on the page "On-screen display" (by my count, it /should/ be page 8).

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: I hope he doesn't mind.

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bluef0x:

thanks a lot :)

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sphery:

That would be a nice addition for 0.20. :)

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sphery:

bluef0x: I had to give a full answer after my stupid channel mistake... :)

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GreyFoxx:

sphery: Hehe

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bluef0x:

it confused me ;O

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bluef0x:

i thought you wanted to re-word my question to please you

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bluef0x:

or like some bot was going to answer it lol

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sphery:

Nope. I was just a bit lost.

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sphery:

And, unfortunately, lost in a channel that logs conversations...

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sphery:

So now the whole world can see.

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** sphery tip-toes away to the channel he thought he was in **

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** GreyFoxx adds a index page to the Gray-OSD screenshots and updates the version on the site **

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sphery:

bluef0x: For additional OSD themes, check out http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Themes

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bluef0x:

awesome

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bluef0x:

now i wish i knew how to make the whole picture fit on the TV, it's getting clipped by 10 pixels or so on each side. i tried messing with the stuff in settings and offsetting, etc... but can't get it to fit :(

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sphery:

sounds like overscan

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GreyFoxx:

http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/osd/ That's another OSD that you can install manually, and might eventually make it into the myththemes package

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sphery:

If you're outputting to a TV, that's probably it.

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GreyFoxx:

I was too lazy to make thumbnailshehe

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: definitely should go in for 0.20.

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sphery:

It's a nice clean theme.

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GreyFoxx:

I quite enjoyed making it

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GreyFoxx:

I've been using it since before last Xmas hehe

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: Did you also make Simple Gray (or was it a mod of yours)?

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GreyFoxx:

Two independant approaches with a same base idea

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GreyFoxx:

Another fella posted a mockup of whathe'd like to see in a theme

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sphery:

OK. Just wondered. The link on the wiki for Simple Grey is bad.

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GreyFoxx:

then I started making something similar but more to my tastes, and late he made his own

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GreyFoxx:

OOne of these days I need to take some time and really go through the wiki. I've seen maybe 3 pages of it :)

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sphery:

Hmmm. Just noticed that you're the "GreyFoxx", but your theme is "Gray OSD"...

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sphery:

Americanized the OSD theme name?

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GreyFoxx:

Yeah, I originally called it "Grey-OSD" but it seemed a little too odd having a portion of my nick in it, so I adjusted it

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sphery:

I see.

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GreyFoxx:

Plus "Gray" is how I spell the colour

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sphery:

You're from the Great White North, right?

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GreyFoxx:

Yup

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GreyFoxx:

note the "u" in colour and favourite ;)

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sphery:

true

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Beirdo:

and the "oot"

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Beirdo:

:)

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sphery:

So how did the nick get to be spelled differently from how you spell the colo[u]r?

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sphery:

Is it a reference to something?

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GreyFoxx:

Long story,but it's something from my BBSdays back around '87

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Beirdo:

kormoc, you in?

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sphery:

Cool.

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** GreyFoxx hasbeen GreyFoxx for almost 20 years :) **

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sphery:

Wow.

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** Beirdo has been Beirdo for... 14 years **

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GreyFoxx:

15 years on IRC come Sept,

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Beirdo:

we're geezers

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GreyFoxx:

yeah hehe old fogies :)

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sphery:

That makes me an old n00b to IRC--my nick is probably less than a year old

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GreyFoxx:

Well not that old. Just turned 32 a week ago :)

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sphery:

I remember (a year ago) when I was 32...

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Beirdo:

heh

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** Beirdo high-fives both GreyFoxx and sphery **

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** Beirdo is 32.5 **

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Beirdo:

heh

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sphery:

splitting the difference.

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Beirdo:

December birthday

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sphery:

Must be the Myth-life crisis causes us all to seek out good PVR's...

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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** sphery wishes danielk hung out on IRC **

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sphery:

I'm afraid to call what I think is a new bug a bug without confirmation...

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I'd be giving him a few choice words every time he breaks the SVN build

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Beirdo:

something like "did you even bother to try compiling this before checking it in?"

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sphery:

I think he broke the frequency tables for digital users in http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/10593

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sphery:

still compiles, but seems to have a logic issue...

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Beirdo:

thankfully, he's better with it than say a year ago

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sphery:

but, he's a prolific coder

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Beirdo:

but not a prolific tester

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Whyvas:

anyone ever install mythrecipe?

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sphery:

that's what SVN users are for.

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bluef0x:

so how do you correct "overscan"

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sphery:

Whyvas: nope.

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GreyFoxx:

xris: Likely has heh

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Whyvas:

bluef0x, nvidia card?

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** Beirdo pokes kormoc in the ribs **

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Beirdo:

wake up, dude ;)

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sphery:

bluef0x: Using your video driver or using MythTV's overscan setting...

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kormoc:

mornin' Beirdo

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Whyvas:

can anyone tell me why I can't see mythrecipe in the menus but it seems to compile and install fine?

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

wanted to ask you which GPU language set you were suggesting?

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kormoc:

http://libsh.org/

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sphery:

Whyvas: did you add a button to library.xml

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Beirdo:

why Sh over Brook for instance?

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kormoc:

Beirdo, http://libsh.org/wiki/index.php/Frequently_As . . . _to_Brook.3F

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Beirdo:

hehe.

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Whyvas:

sphery, no but the script says that it does that in the main menu

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Beirdo:

"they've done it similarly but differently"

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Beirdo:

effectively

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kormoc:

Beirdo, aye

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Beirdo:

K

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kormoc:

I guess the main reason was, I found sh before brook

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** kormoc shrugs **

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Beirdo:

I may still target Cg directly, not sure, but I'm open to the idea of Sh or Brook.

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Beirdo:

I don't really wanna do C++ though :)

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bluef0x:

yes nVidia, where's the overscan setting found?

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kormoc:

bluef0x, read the readme that comes with the driver

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Beirdo:

kinda thinking about gputrans stuff again

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Beirdo:

see if I can wrap my brain around some of the noise reduction stuff

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bluef0x:

nm, i put away my monitor and I can't read computer stuff on the TV

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bluef0x:

i'll live with it

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** Beirdo shoots fire ants. Bastards **

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kormoc:

samba is being a prick again

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Beirdo:

It often seems to do that

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kormoc:

host 1, won't allow access as anonymous, host 2, allows access as anonymous...

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netrix:

is it possible to run mythtv with mysql5?

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kormoc:

yes, with myth 0.19 or higher

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netrix:

no wonder mine is hosed then ... current version on ubuntu is 0.18 :(

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Whyvas:

yeah that sucks ass

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sphery:

netrix: you really need 0.19-fixes for MySQL 5

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Whyvas:

there are some ubuntu packages for 0.19 though

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Whyvas:

not in the standard repos

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netrix:

yeah just looking at those ... any recommendations?

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Whyvas:

yeah

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sphery:

Whyvas: when you say, "the script says that it does that in the main menu" are you saying the script is adding the button to library.xml?

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Whyvas:

use knoppmyth

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netrix:

lol

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netrix:

too much time invested in my diskless frontends.

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Whyvas:

sphery, i don't know, I assumed it added it in mainmenu.xml

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sphery:

AIUI, library.xml defines a button and mainmenu.xml (or any other menu) places the button

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sphery:

my library.xml (which is from a standard install) doesn't have a button for MythRecipe, so I'm assuming you need to add it.

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sphery:

Something like: http://pastebin.ca/99154

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sphery:

(that's a guess--I've never installed MythRecipe)

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sphery:

library.xml should be in /usr/local/share/mythtv/library.xml

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sphery:

(or without local depending on your install)

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tjcarter:

netrix: you got Ubuntu's 0.18 to work at all?

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tjcarter:

netrix: oh, and deb http://hamsta.net/mythtv/files/dapper ./

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netrix:

tjcarter: I had 0.18 working on ubuntu 5.10 just fine.

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netrix:

tjcarter: did a dist-upgrade and mythtv is completely broken, but i was expecting that.

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netrix:

ah better. upgraded the backend and mythfilldb works now.

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netrix:

just gotta get the frontends working

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Whyvas:

sphery, no go...

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sphery:

Yeah.

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sphery:

I just downloaded the source and it looks like there is a script that puts a button definition in the XML files.

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Whyvas:

did you get it to work?

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sphery:

Didn't install it...

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Whyvas:

im using knoppmyth

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sphery:

Just browsing the source.

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sphery:

have you tried doing an ldconfig since you installed it?

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Whyvas:

do i have to install that mythextras maybe?

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Whyvas:

nope

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sphery:

Might just be that the library can't be found

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Whyvas:

just ldconfig?

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sphery:

yep

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sphery:

Try that and then restart the frontend

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Whyvas:

nope

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Whyvas:

i'll try a reboot

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sphery:

Also, it looks like capitalization was wrong on my library.xml

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Whyvas:

?

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sphery:

Don't think that will help

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Whyvas:

ok

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Whyvas:

what was wrong in the library?

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sphery:

http://pastebin.ca/99161

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sphery:

capital R for action and depends

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Whyvas:

nada

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sphery:

Hmmm.

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Whyvas:

is there a way to check if the plugin installed?

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sphery:

Don't know what woul dcause it.

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Whyvas:

the install script seems to imply that it does everything

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Whyvas:

i can'

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Whyvas:

t find a readme or any docs on it at all

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sphery:

Should be in /usr/local/lib/mythtv/plugins

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sphery:

(with or without the local as appropriate)

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Whyvas:

hmm

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Whyvas:

it's not there

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sphery:

did you try the other (with/without local) to see if you're using one in /usr and it installed to /usr/local or something?

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Whyvas:

sphery, that's what the problem was...

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Whyvas:

trying again

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sphery:

installed to the wrong place?

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Whyvas:

yup

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Whyvas:

in local

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sphery:

cool

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sphery:

You undid the change to library.xml, right?

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sphery:

Since the scripts take care of it, you should let them do the changes.

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sphery:

(I think they put it in other XML files, though.)

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sphery:

Anyway, good luck with the install.

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Whyvas:

ugh

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Whyvas:

ok

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Whyvas:

i'll do that too

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Whyvas:

thanks...

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tjcarter:

Hey mythic peoples, if you were planning to put a bigass-by-desktop-standards LCD panel on a Myth box in the 22–26" range, what would be your preference, and why?

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** tjcarter is shopping for one **

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Zide:

hm, I wonder what will come of the ati+amd merger

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tjcarter:

ATI drivers that don't suck maybe?

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Zide:

one can always hope

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Zide:

and a cpu that works maybe ;)

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tjcarter:

binary only drivers needed to use AMD chips in Linux? ;)

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** tjcarter RUNS **

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Zide:

but I'll stick to intel+nvidia..

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tjcarter:

I'll stick with AMD/NV until the AMD/ATI thing makes it so I can't.

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sigger:

anyone know how to tell what resolution I'm currently running? trying to finally nail down modeline stuff

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Zide:

ati can't make drivers worth shit, and I simply don't trust amd cpu's anymore..

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Zide:

sigger: xvinfo I believe

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Zide:

sigger: xvidtune -show

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tjcarter:

Zide: what's the deal with AMD processors?

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sigger:

ah, xvidtune did the trick. thanks much

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Zide:

tjcarter: deal?

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llyric:

I know this is probably a FAQ, but what's a good (very well supported) *dual* DVB capture card? The shops in town don't seem to have the one I bought last time (DViCO dual DVB-T)

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tjcarter:

Zide: Most people who "don't trust" AMD are going back to Tom's Hardware articles which were VERY biased about ripping HSFs off the top of the chip to see if they run without them...

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Zide:

tjcarter: I go with my experience from pc repairing :P

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tjcarter:

well no, they don't, and doing so could cause the chip to let out magic smoke. What a surprise. And that little problem has been fixed.

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Zide:

that movie was pretty fun to watch btw ;)

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Zide:

loved the music

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tjcarter:

Now chipsets for AMD.. ugh

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tjcarter:

VIA should be shot

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Zide:

can't say I care much for nforce either

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tjcarter:

and then drawn, quartered, strangled, beaten, stuck in a large food processor, and then really hurt.

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sigger:

that's the second time today I've heard VIA majorly dissed

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sigger:

I'm not totally into the details of today's systems, but I have a little ME6000 that hasn't given me much trouble even as a myth frontend (really just for mythvideo)

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Zide:

via makes nice cpu's and chipsets, just not for AMD ;)

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Zide:

I'd love to have a C7 to play with

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sigger:

I'm specing out a replacement cuz its obviuously underpowered and I'm getting a little bugged out cuz I was thinking of going witha "top end" EPIA

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tjcarter:

VIA's AMD chipsets are basically the cream of the crap.

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tjcarter:

so, gimme LCD opinions, I'm getting one soon.

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sigger:

ah, as long as it only relates to AMD I don't have to be nervous (about that comment at least)

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Zide:

sigger: how fast is it?

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sigger:

60MHz

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sigger:

hehe 600MHz

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sigger:

looking at their 1.5G or 1.2G

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Zide:

thought you said "top end"?

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Zide:

ah

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sigger:

and that is their "top end"

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Zide:

well, check out C7, seems to be really nice

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sigger:

who makes C7?

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Zide:

via

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Zide:

it's the next cpu after C3

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sigger:

oh duh, actually knew that

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sigger:

I think these are C7. someone earlier today pointed me in the direction of the (now price reduced) AMD X2, but I'm not seeing it in the small form factor that I want in an easy to buy,preassembled package

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Zide:

I hope they'll release a via c7 nano-itx :D

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tjcarter:

Dagmar was talking about tetris hardware

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tjcarter:

I'm inclined to agree with his assessment

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sigger:

itx is already SO small. nano is like rediculous

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Zide:

tjcarter: tetris hardware?

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sigger:

its almost too small ;)

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tjcarter:

Zide: ASUS Terminators and the like

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** tjcarter has one so can understand **

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Zide:

tjcarter: ...huh? :P

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Zide:

wtf is an asus terminator?

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tjcarter:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16856110030 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16856110041

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tjcarter:

I have the latter

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tjcarter:

It makes a nice Myth frontend

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Zide:

do they sell the mobo separately?

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tjcarter:

but its currently also running a backend, which it was never designed for

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tjcarter:

no, it's not a standard layout board

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Zide:

damn

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tjcarter:

For $109 when I bought it, the thing was pretty nice

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Zide:

I just want the mobo :)

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tjcarter:

but it has onboard video of the VIA variety, one AGP, one PCI (I'd rather two PCI), and it has a fan that can move more air out than can flow in, causing a strain on the fan.

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tjcarter:

the Intel one I assume?

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Zide:

yeah

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tjcarter:

cause I might be willing to part with my AMD model ....

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Zide:

;)

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tjcarter:

not actually a bad setup, it just needs someone to take a holesaw to the bottom to create an extra air inlet

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Zide:

intel/c3/c7 on a tiny mb is what I want

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Zide:

without case

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tjcarter:

this board isn't 100% tiny

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tjcarter:

look at pics

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Zide:

only 80% tiny? ;)

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Zide:

what's the measurements?

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tjcarter:

it's about a foot tall

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Zide:

metric please :P

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tjcarter:

actually most of the ports on the top probably can be disconnected

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tjcarter:

I think the board is in two pieces

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tjcarter:

so anyway, LCD opinions? =)

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Zide:

none..

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tjcarter:

I'm about to replace a borrowed 17" analog CRT with a 22–26" LCD =)

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sigger:

I need something like that thats maybe 4–5" tall (cough, 10–12 cm)

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sigger:

"like that" = ASUS Terminator

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Zide:

why so huge?

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sigger:

it makes me feel better about mself ;)

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Zide:

I meant tjcarters TFT

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Zide:

to be

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Zide:

:P

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sigger:

heheh oh

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Zide:

12cm mb, that's nano-itx

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Zide:

smallest "normal" mb I've seen

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sigger:

nah my epia machine now is only like 10 cm (Morex 3788 case I believe)

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sigger:

its an itx

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Zide:

mini-itx is 18x18cm, nano-itx is 12x12cm

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Zide:

there are two itx sizes :P

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sigger:

er, mini-itx then

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Zide:

http://www.logicsupply.com/images/nano-itx/Nano01.jpg &n dash; there's a nano-itx :D

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sigger:

my issue is height not width or depth.

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sigger:

oops, crying baby

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Zide:

huh?

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Zide:

well, they're low as well

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Zide:

no more than a normal backside connector thingie sticking up

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Zide:

heh, the via C3 cpu is smaller than a SD flash card :D

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tjcarter:

Apparently I can't go wrong with a Dell 2047WFP based on this review

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Zide:

tjcarter: why do you need so big?

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tjcarter:

Zide: this is intended to be living room display for a couple of people who don't see so good ;)

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Zide:

ah

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tjcarter:

I can't afford one of the $1200 32" LCD TV sets

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Zide:

I have a 32" WS CRT-TV

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tjcarter:

But I can afford a 24" at almost half the price when Dell is feeling generous

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Zide:

I've been thinking about a projector, but they suck in daylight :P

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Zide:

besides, the lamp doesn't hold forever

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Zide:

and my TV is almost constantly on

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Zide:

think I'll go to bed for a while

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Zide:

nini

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AngryElf:

is mythshutdown primarily intended for the backend?

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PaulWay[w]:

Just out of curiosity, what's the earliest ATI card that has supported XvMC?

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ServerSage:

I have 2 amd64 systems, both running Gentoo. Mythfrontend crashes when mythmusic switches songs. Nothing in the logs, I have not done a backtrace yet because I was hoping for a quick, "You idiot, you didn't..." Any helpers?

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PaulWay[w]:

No idea, ServerSage.

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PaulWay[w]:

Any problems with sound otherwise?

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pyrotech:

is it possible to store recordings and live tv buffers in separate directories?

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PaulWay[w]:

Not AFAIK – MythTV doesn't differentiate between the two.

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PaulWay[w]:

So what analogue TV cards are people commonly using?

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pyrotech:

I guess I cant make it expire them quicker than 1 day then either

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PaulWay[w]:

I'm putting together a presentation for my LUG on MythTV and I want to know what work for people

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pyrotech:

I like the hauppauge 150 x2 and they work well

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PaulWay[w]:

pyrotech: It'll expire them automatically if it needs the space, AFAIK.

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PaulWay[w]:

They do hardware MPEG2 encoding, don't they?

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Anduin:

PaulWay[w]: They do.

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PaulWay[w]:

I use DVB here in .au, so I don't know what the analogue world uses.

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DrMitch:

i use msi tv@nywhere – conexant chipset

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DrMitch:

how's the weather on your pedestal??

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Anduin:

PaulWay[w]: The 150 is the 250 successor, the 500 is dual 150s.

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pyrotech:

the 500 has issues with via chipset so I had to get 2 150s

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DrMitch:

wait so it goes 250 then 150 then 500 ?

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Anduin:

DrMitch: The 250 is much older.

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pyrotech:

there was originally the 250 and 350, w/ 350 having added radio I believe

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DrMitch:

peculiar...nice bass ackwards naming scheme

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Anduin:

pyrotech: radio, and TV out.

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pyrotech:

then they came out w/ 150 and 500 (2 150 on 1 board)

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TummyAcid:

heya folks ive got mythtv built on debian with the apt source from debian.multimedia.org and the backend server appears to be running but i get a blank screen and my computer totally freezes when i press enter on watch tv

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DrMitch:

you sure your recording from the right input;?

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PaulWay[w]:

Yes, confusing numbering scheme...

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PaulWay[w]:

Anyone using anything else that they'd recommend?

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pyrotech:

TummyAcid, I had a similar issue where the backend claims it was running but it really wasnt, check if its listening on ports 65xx

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TummyAcid:

nmap localhost shows that it is

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PaulWay[w]:

Run the backend and frontend in consoles, tee'd to separate files. Then you can check the results later.

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PaulWay[w]:

Run the frontend with '-v all' too.

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TummyAcid:

also listed in ps -aux | grep mythtv

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** PaulWay[w] goes for coffee... **

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TummyAcid:

so do mythtv-frontend | tee logfile

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TummyAcid:

alright i logged it also i noticed an error on bootup "QError: error creating /.qt"

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TummyAcid:

and the log is empty

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TummyAcid:

something tells me that it freezes before it can write the info to disk

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TummyAcid:

the only thing that can bring it out is a hard reset

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sphery:

Hmmm. Looks like the list server died at about 2215EDT. (Either that or I got kicked from the list. :)

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TummyAcid:

too much time spent on mythtv... must sleep

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TummyAcid:

thanks anyway, night guys

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PaulWay[w]:

Anyone use the pcHD3000?

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PaulWay[w]:

No-one, eh? Just as I thought :-)

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mchou:

man, I still cant believe AMD is buying ATI

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mchou:

AMD better find a good SW dept REAL FAST

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mchou:

wonder if AMD is gonna build their own mobos now just like intel

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Juski:

morning all

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Speedy2:

Juski: Did you ever get the GMA driver to do interlaced modelines?

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Juski:

GMA?

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Speedy2:

Intel Integrated Graphics

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Juski:

I didn't try in all honesty

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Juski:

had too much going on up until last weekend ;-)

[09:45:38]

Speedy2:

Juski: Let me know if you plan on trying, I need that myself

[09:45:53]

Juski:

heh. xmame is my next tinkering project

[09:46:22]

Juski:

for some reason I'd always assumed you needed more than 1ghz for that (duh!)

[09:46:33]

Speedy2:

But that's not the case?

[09:46:38]

Speedy2:

I mean it runs on Xboxes right?

[09:48:12]

Juski:

saw an impressive home-brewed mame cabinet at the show last weekend, based on a 1ghz notebook with a broken display. guy explained that (this is the bit where I slapped my own head) because xmame is emulating like a 16MHz CPU, it's a trivial task

[09:48:38]

Speedy2:

Those "16 MHz" video cabinents sure did some impressive stuff

[09:48:56]

Speedy2:

I'm floored people have got it emulating so many games

[09:49:53]

Juski:

that's assembly language for ya ;-)

[09:55:45]

laga:

Juski: happy birthday :)

[09:57:55]

Juski:

thanks laga

[09:58:03]

Juski:

you know something.. it _is_ aswell

[09:58:07]

Juski:

:-)

[10:02:07]

laga:

that's good :)

[10:02:39]

laga:

Warning: mysql_connect(): User mythtv_phpbb has already more than 'max_user_connections' active connections in

[10:02:43]

laga:

the forum is exploding.

[10:02:53]

laga:

ah, now it works

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Juski:

wonder how much extra traffic is a result of the show (if any)

[10:13:52]

Juski:

my flamefroof clothing is still holding up btw ;-)

[10:14:00]

Juski:

*proof

[10:15:15]

laga:

heh

[10:15:16]

laga:

nice

[10:15:34]

laga:

yep, response to your postings looks good. only two or three responses show up on gossamer, though

[10:17:14]

Juski:

I've only seen the gossamer replies so far

[10:18:20]

laga:

darn, those tipcell guys won't talk to me

[10:19:24]

Juski:

maybe they need some pills to improve their manners ;-)

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laga:

heh

[10:20:05]

Juski:

I mean I care about stuff like that. maybe put them in touch with some folks who sell pills

[10:20:41]

laga:

liquid extasy, yep

[10:20:46]

Juski:

might even be that they're unhappy about their bodies. better add people who offer operations to the list too

[10:21:24]

Juski:

though I'm pretty sure that fighting spam with spam is not a good thing ;-)

[10:21:50]

laga:

yep, but it's fun

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laga:

Juski: http://www.google.de/search?hs=gcJ&hl=de& . . . p;meta=lr%3D

[10:23:18]

Juski:

holy carp. that guy (bot) gets around a bit

[10:24:01]

laga:

yep

[10:24:14]

Juski:

emerge -s roms

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Juski:

whoops

[10:24:23]

laga:

they're chinese, something tells me that this isn't a bot

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** Juski thinks 5 year olds locked up in a room full of PCs **

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laga:

hehehe

[10:28:15]

Juski:

no xmame-roms ebuild :-/

[10:29:00]

laga:

go figure .)

[10:29:07]

Juski:

think I'll go into town in a bit. after the housework (yeah I know)

[10:30:13]

laga:

heh, have fun

[10:31:27]

Juski:

yeh well I'll be drinking champagne tonight to make up for it

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Juski:

:-)

[10:32:19]

laga:

:) heh

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laga:

hmm, thanks. that's a very good idea...

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PaulWay:

Hi all!

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PaulWay:

Anyone got a good guide to understanding the way recording profiles and transcoding works?

[11:15:47]

PaulWay:

I'm trying to understand it but the MythTV howto is pretty slim on this topic.

[11:19:11]

rabbitear:

rabbitear colen cleaner

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Juski:

PaulWay: recording profiles allow you to specify different recording quality for different stuff you record. transcoding takes place when a show has finished recording (AFAIK) and basically just turns a recording into another format based on preferences you set in your transcoder profiles

[11:33:49]

PaulWay:

I understand that, but I'm looking for something that tells me more about exactly how to configure it.

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Juski:

what do you mean?

[11:34:10]

Juski:

something to help you understand what all the parameters do?

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PaulWay:

I've got two DVB cards recording into MPEG2 format. I've got various high-quality, low-quality and medium-quality parameters set up.

[11:34:42]

Juski:

you cannot change recording profiles for DVB cards. what goes onto disk is what you get over the air

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PaulWay:

What I don't understand is how to get it to automatically do the transcoding, and what profiles get used when.

[11:35:00]

PaulWay:

But you can have it transcoded afterward...

[11:35:00]

Juski:

but you _can_ transcode them ;-)

[11:36:03]

Juski:

when transcoding happens is controlled by myth's job control system. AFAIK the ability to choose which transcoder to use is not in 0.19 or 0.19-fixes, but is in svn and will be in 0.20

[11:36:21]

PaulWay:

So what I've got in the recording profiles section is "Hardware DVB encoders", "Small size transcode (media)" (media is the name of my mythtv machine) and "Transcoders".

[11:36:31]

PaulWay:

Aaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh.

[11:36:37]

PaulWay:

So what's used at the moment?

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Juski:

default, or default.. and as I say.. as far as I know :-)

[11:37:09]

PaulWay:

Right.

[11:37:19]

PaulWay:

Sorry, partner beckons, back in a while...

[11:37:21]

PaulWay:

Thanks for your help.

[11:37:22]

Juski:

my FE can't play back transcoded recordings, and hdd is dirt cheap so I don't bother with it

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Juski:

np

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mooey:

o/

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mooey:

i have video playback working at a decent rate now

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mooey:

xv was quite broken

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rambo3:

anyone with finished keycodemapings file for xmame with remote (mce_usb2)

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Puh:

hello

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Zide:

winnie the puh? ;)

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Puh:

i'm running 0.19-fixes and it seems that DVBSIParser gets stuck in a loop every now and then

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Puh:

it seems to busyloop in DVBSIParser::StartSectionReader()

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Puh:

i'll try to get a better trace in a couple of hours

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rambo3:

how do i chane front menu so that video and music is first

[13:19:16]

galorin:

I'd like to have mythtv displayed on a TV (run off s-video from my graphics card) and use my monitor for a normal desktop. Has this been done before, and if so, where can I find the documentation?

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galorin:

rambo3, you'll need to edit the themes. It's fairly straightforwward, after lunch, I'll see if I can find you more details if Google doesn't offer you any help.

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GreyFoxx:

galorin: Depending on the drivers for your card you might be able to run 2 X servers, 1 using the VGA output and 1 using the tvout. I've done it before on an Nvidia card, but I don't know of any particular site for docs on how to do it.

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rambo3:

ok i think itws mediacenter theme thats missing menus and swedish trnslation

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psofa:

galorin, the nvidia docs describe it fine

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appis:

how do i setup a dummy for a secondary static videosource? and will i be able to record that source?

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galorin:

ok, I think I found it.. but I'm still unclear as to how I'd go about seperating input methods.

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galorin:

My other option, which might be easier, is to go with LTSP...

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rambo3:

starting mplayer make myth lose lirc control . there is no exit stop button . any tips

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GreyFoxx:

Do you have mplayer configured for lirc as well ?

[14:26:39]

fiXXXerMet:

MythTV looks great – I'm going to start working on setting it up soon :)

[14:27:17]

tkaine:

rambo3: I use the Internal player instead of mplayer. Gives you a nice OSD and retains controls.

[14:27:18]

qfx:

fiXXXerMet: Caution, once you have it you'll never want to watch TV any other way

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GreyFoxx:

tkaine: Same here. I use the internal player for everything

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fiXXXerMet:

qfx: God forbid :-p

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GreyFoxx:

fiXXXerMet: IT becomes painful t o watch TV at another persons house or "live" on the TV

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

[14:28:27]

GreyFoxx:

You get use to being in control :)

[14:28:59]

tkaine:

GreyFoxx: Its just like going to a persons house that has Windows and using that. heh. Never miss options so much.

[14:29:53]

rambo3:

tkaine, i have to use mplayer couse its better for me

[14:30:19]

tkaine:

rambo3: Then as GreyFoxx said, you have to configure mplayer separately for lirc and copy the same key scheme

[14:30:53]

mooey:

tkaine, what should mplayer --foo -bar be replaced with in the settings to use the internal player?

[14:31:03]

mooey:

i have the same issue with lirc + mplayer

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rambo3:

GreyFoxx, no its not configured, i guess i was thinking that it would just work out of the box as in freevo

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tkaine:

mooey: "Internal" with no quotes. And note the capital I

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** mooey goes to try **

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rambo3:

how muc resouces does internal player consume . couse i have old hardware here , i start mplayer on xv with cache 8195 -framdrops -cache-min 80 to sync sound, can internal player cover that

[14:35:15]

rambo3:

and xine is crap

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Dagmar:

How slow are we talking?

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tkaine:

rambo3: Not sure. Havent had problems with it though. Using AMD Athlon XP 1800+, 512MB PC2100, Geforce4 MX440 64mb. I especially like that it remembers where I stopped the video last time I played it.

[14:36:02]

rambo3:

900 Mhz P3 512 MB ram 133 and USB 2 harddrive for media storage

[14:36:42]

Dagmar:

THe internal player should actually be able to run on that

[14:37:06]

fiXXXerMet:

"Other modules in MythTV include:" How do you add these modules to MythTV?

[14:37:20]

mooey:

tkaine, sweet – thanks

[14:37:24]

Dagmar:

You download (optionally compile) and install them.

[14:37:25]

tkaine:

mooey: np

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fiXXXerMet:

Easy enough.

[14:38:03]

rambo3:

DAgmar well its mostly becouse of bad ati driver, i bet if i had nvidia wouldent have problems. its are rage pro fury 128

[14:38:06]

Dagmar:

fiXXXerMet: Wherever you're reading about the plugins should tell you where to download them, and the plugins will tell you how to install them. Mainly it's just the mythPlugins package

[14:38:24]

tkaine:

Ive never been a big fan of Mplayer, and I am very pleased with the Internal player.

[14:39:07]

rambo3:

how does make sane statment

[14:39:20]

tkaine:

I drool when I hit the M key, too. lol

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fiXXXerMet:

I have a spare AMD 1800+ with 768 RAM, and a Dual PIII 850MHz with 1GB ECC RAM. What would work better for one capture card?

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Dagmar:

It's a single-thread operation, dude.

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rambo3:

well i tested and it works fine. weard to set mplayer as default when internal work better

[14:45:15]

Dagmar:

If you're trying to do software-based encoding, the dual won't work

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fiXXXerMet:

I see.

[14:45:36]

tkaine:

fiXXXerMet: Go with the AMD for pure power

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tkaine:

fiXXXerMet: Especially if its a software-encoder

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fiXXXerMet:

I'm yet to buy the card, so i'll see.

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Dagmar:

fiXXXerMet: I can at least say that what I'm using for the whole schlamiel is almost exactly what you've got on the AMD side. It works fine with my PVR-500

[14:47:34]

tkaine:

Dagmar: How do you like your PVR-500? Im trying to decide between a single hardware encoder (PVR-250) or dual software (PVR-500). I had a PVR-350 before and the hardware encoder gave much better quality video but it would be nice to watch one channel while I record another.

[14:48:04]

Dagmar:

Umm... PVR-500 is not dual software

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tkaine:

Dagmar: I read that it was a dual PVR-150 encoder.

[14:48:31]

Dagmar:

It's basically a pair of PVR-150's (which are hardware-accellerated) on one card.

[14:48:43]

tkaine:

Ah. I thought the PVR-150 was a software encoder.

[14:48:45]

Dagmar:

Nope

[14:48:52]

tkaine:

Then whats the diff between the 150 and the 250?

[14:49:05]

tkaine:

And the 150 is awfully inexpensive for being a hardware encoder.

[14:49:12]

tkaine:

The 250 costs twice as much

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GreyFoxx:

The 150 is the next generation of the 250 basically

[14:49:19]

Dagmar:

Revision, and I think at one point the 250's had an IR port and the 150's didn't, but it's all grey-area now

[14:49:26]

tkaine:

Hmm

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GreyFoxx:

Basically they learned enough from the 250s to make them cheaper and have less heat :)

[14:49:53]

Dagmar:

NewEgg has two versions of the 150 for sale, and as far as I know the one with the three-digit board number is the newer of the two

[14:50:40]

tkaine:

Well the PVR-250 is def off my shopping list. lol

[14:50:55]

tkaine:

I really liked my PVR-350 but I didnt have cable TV for a couple years so I got rid of it

[14:51:10]

Dagmar:

The 1042 version has an FM tuner on it for radio, but basically Myth doesn't play so well with that yet

[14:51:22]

Fnc-1:

dont get the MCE version

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Fnc-1:

of the 150

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Dagmar:

Why not?

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Fnc-1:

i think its the 1042

[14:51:35]

tkaine:

I dont need the FM radio. You can get any FM station with an online stream these days anyways.

[14:51:42]

Dagmar:

You do know what the "MCE" means, right?

[14:51:45]

Fnc-1:

seems i could never get it to sync up sound with video

[14:51:52]

Dagmar:

It means no fancy recording software for Windows comes with it.

[14:51:56]

Dagmar:

THat's ll.

[14:51:56]

Fnc-1:

yeah but you go look at supported, and bam its there in the list

[14:52:04]

tkaine:

and MCE kit just throws in the MCE remote. heh

[14:52:12]

Fnc-1:

it has a different tuner, than the 1045

[14:52:25]

Dagmar:

MCE is a bundling tag, man

[14:52:28]

Fnc-1:

went out a bought a 1045 CC had them on sale.. likeit much more

[14:52:37]

Fnc-1:

the tuner on the card is different!

[14:52:44]

haj:

The PVR-500MCE remote.. anyone using that for the frontend? it's easy configuring right?

[14:52:44]

Dagmar:

They sell all their cards as both MCE and non MCE

[14:52:57]

tkaine:

Well I think Ill pick up a PVR-500 then. Thanks Dagmar. Anything I should know about it ahead of time?

[14:52:57]

Dagmar:

Since we're talking about Myth in here, "MCE" means "slightly cheaper"

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Fnc-1:

all im saying is it has a differnt brand of tuner.. and i didnt like it...

[14:53:34]

haj:

tkaine: I'm very happy with my 500.. it's really nice to have two encoders

[14:53:34]

Dagmar:

tkaine: Not really, other than maybe have two holes free on the back of the case if you're going to try to use both composite inputs at once.

[14:53:50]

Dagmar:

tkaine: You only need one coax connection if you're using cable. It splits the signal internally.

[14:53:53]

tkaine:

Dagmar: Just gonna use the COAX

[14:54:04]

tkaine:

Dagmar: Yeah, I read that. Cool feature. Well shielded?

[14:54:05]

Dagmar:

That second coax connector visible on the thing is for the FM antenna

[14:54:37]

Dagmar:

I'm not having any signal problems

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tkaine:

Dagmar: Wanna do me a favor and just brag about some nice things about having twin encoders? :-)

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tkaine:

I didnt see it, but didnt look into it before, is there PIP functionality?

[14:55:38]

Dagmar:

Umm... I can easily choke my machine to death if I turn them both up to 720x480 at the same time and don't readjust the PCI latency?

[14:55:51]

Dagmar:

tkaine: More or less, yes, but I never use it

[14:56:04]

tkaine:

Dagmar: What do you mean by "more or less"?

[14:56:16]

tkaine:

I might wanna do it during hockey games. heh

[14:56:23]

Dagmar:

It's there, I've hit it accidentally. I didnt' pay much attention beyond cursing until I got it to go away

[14:56:39]

tkaine:

Dagmar: ah ok. so controlling it isnt too graceful. gotcha

[14:56:57]

tkaine:

Im sure a lil clever remote-control programming will take care of that

[14:56:58]

Dagmar:

No, I just had no idea what button on the keyboard I pressed that turned it on

[14:57:17]

tkaine:

Dagmar: thanks for the info.

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Dagmar:

That it's there and that I've seen it work is about all I know of it.

[14:57:51]

tkaine:

Well I can look into the rest

[14:58:06]

** tkaine pops over to the wiki and forums **

[14:58:28]

Dagmar:

Take note... you WILL need to adjust your PCI latency if you're using IDE drives

[14:59:03]

GreyFoxx:

Can't say I've every had to do that personally

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Dagmar:

It's not really specific to the 500. It's just that two tuners going at the same time can choke the PCI bus so that the drives basically starve, and then *pop* reboot

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tkaine:

Dagmar: I guess Ill have to do some reading for that, since I dont know the first thing about what that is or what to do. Are you referring only to when using the dual encoder?

[14:59:19]

** GreyFoxx has 3 250's in an IDE based system **

[14:59:20]

tkaine:

Gotcha

[14:59:45]

GreyFoxx:

Maybe I('m just below the magic threshold :)

[14:59:49]

tkaine:

Well Ill do some reading.

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rambo3:

is it posible to pass aruments to internal player

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Dagmar:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/PCI_Latency

[15:00:29]

GreyFoxx:

rambo3: I don't think it takes any arguments really.... What did you want to send to it ?

[15:00:59]

tkaine:

Dagmar: thanks, bookmarked

[15:01:06]

rambo3:

lower resolution or something to drop frames

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Dagmar:

I've not had a problem since I did like that page said and set the IDE controller driver's latency to 176

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haj:

Dagmar: the ivtv-driver adjusts the PCI Latency when loaded i believe ?

[15:01:50]

Dagmar:

haj: I've never seen it do or say anything about that.

[15:02:05]

Dagmar:

THe only thing I ever see it do is call 32 an "unreasonable" setting and bump it to 64

[15:02:17]

haj:

oh..

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tkaine:

Im using knoppmyth so that might have already been done, but Ill be sure to take a look and familiarize myself with it.

[15:02:39]

haj:

well, i have 8 drives in a Athlon 64 3200+ and a PVR-500.. don't have any problems :)

[15:03:22]

tkaine:

Itll be going into an Athlon XP 1800+, 512MB PC2100, w/ twin 80gb 7200rpm IDE ATA100 drives

[15:03:22]

GreyFoxx:

rambo3: Well I know that you can configure myth to change resolutions depending on the resolution of the video but I'm never used that

[15:03:34]

tkaine:

If I get a new PVR card Im gonna get a larger drive, though.

[15:03:36]

GreyFoxx:

Dagmar: What was your IDE latency prior to setting it to 176 ?

[15:03:39]

Dagmar:

You also have a slightly different internal toplogy than a 32-bit board is going to have

[15:03:52]

Dagmar:

GreyFoxx: My motherboard had them all set to 32.

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Dagmar:

I was getting spurious errors from the kernel about the filesystem, and the occastional spontaneous reboot. It wasn't happy

[15:04:14]

haj:

Dagmar: perhaps.. i only run 32bit Linux though..

[15:04:14]

Dagmar:

Heh

[15:04:15]

GreyFoxx:

Mine are all 0

[15:04:45]

Dagmar:

haj: There's a different topology for the hardware in a 64-bit motherboard. The software you're running won't change that. ;)

[15:05:18]

haj:

Dagmar: what do i know.. these new motherboards are all weird :)

[15:05:26]

Dagmar:

GreyFoxx: That's got to mean something like an undeclared default or somethin'. Your latency couldn't really be zero.

[15:05:50]

Dagmar:

haj: Yes but they're nice and fast and slightly cheaper than a high-end 32-bit still. :)

[15:06:03]

GreyFoxx:

Actuallyt I lied. my 250's aare all set to 64, my VGA card is 248, but everything else reports 0

[15:06:16]

Dagmar:

When I got this 3200 I was looking at actually having to pay $12 for a 32-bit athlon XP.

[15:06:25]

haj:

Dagmar: nothing really changed from my 486 DX2 to my Athlon 1200MHz.. then suddenly BOOM, everythings different :)

[15:06:32]

Dagmar:

I decided I would like to spend less money *and* use a dual-channel config on my RAM

[15:06:49]

Dagmar:

haj: What the hell were you running? OS/2?

[15:06:54]

haj:

Dagmar: yeb, the 3200+ is a great cheap CPU, don't get hot, and don't even use that much power...

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haj:

Dagmar: i don't have those machines anymore.. :) don't worry

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Dagmar:

I've still got a DX2–66 in working order around here somewhere.

[15:08:03]

Dagmar:

I figured I'd keep it as a museum piece since it was what my first internet-connected server box was run on

[15:08:08]

haj:

my DX2/66 was cool... i overclocked it to DX4/100MHz ;)

[15:08:17]

Dagmar:

Back in tha day when all we had was IPv3

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haj:

and used it like that for like, 2 years

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tkaine:

haj: lol thats hardcore

[15:08:50]

** GreyFoxx has his old 486sx25 sitting in a basement somewhere heh **

[15:09:08]

haj:

i had it running 120MHz also... but it crashed sometimes at that speed :)

[15:09:10]

GreyFoxx:

it had the "turbo" button to go from 8mhz to 25mhz heh

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Dagmar:

I never understood why they even made those that way

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haj:

tkaine: yeb, i was overclocking before i know what i did :)

[15:09:34]

Dagmar:

I'm guessing for people to be able to slow down some video games

[15:09:34]

GreyFoxx:

Supposedly for games that ran too fast

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haj:

GreyFoxx: games yes.

[15:10:47]

GreyFoxx:

I was too lazy to use the button. I wrote a little asm app to toggle the bit at boot so it was "always" in turbo mode

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GreyFoxx:

lol cool! I found a coopy of it on google

[15:12:17]

tkaine:

haha

[15:12:29]

GreyFoxx:

I always find old source I gave away on google :)

[15:12:43]

tkaine:

Youre making me nostalgic. I wanna fire up dosemu and find Jeopardy. lol

[15:13:49]

GreyFoxx:

half of the source I had writting in 92–94 ended up in the pascal and asm SWAG archives so I can usually find something I don't have anymore that way

[15:14:09]

GreyFoxx:

http://www.bsdg.org/SWAG/INTERRUP/0015.PAS.html

[15:14:15]

GreyFoxx:

I was a code commenting nut back then

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KranzFafka:

[15:19:02]

** haj remembers the original Prince of Persia.... that was pretty amazing at that time.. **

[15:19:12]

haj:

and running on a 286.

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fiXXXerMet:

Yikes. This looks a lot more complicated that I had anticipated. In for a fun time...

[15:25:29]

GreyFoxx:

fiXXXerMet: What part appears complicated (I'm seriously asking, not being sarcastic)

[15:26:30]

fiXXXerMet:

Just that I've never done something like this before and it seems a bit overwhelming.

[15:26:41]

fiXXXerMet:

I'm sure I can do it though

[15:26:47]

GreyFoxx:

good attitude :)

[15:26:56]

tkaine:

One step at a time, and youll be just fine. :-)

[15:27:00]

fiXXXerMet:

I bet my hardest part will be the remote control

[15:27:39]

tkaine:

No remote for me yet. Right now Im using a gamepad.

[15:28:12]

fiXXXerMet:

Lunch is here – afk

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Fnc-1:

GreyFoxx: when you were flashing the bios' on them boxen your using? did you happen to come accros any usb schematics for making the rs232 cable?

[15:38:20]

GreyFoxx:

nope. I just made the one using the specs on the site to connect to a regular serial port

[15:38:36]

GreyFoxx:

my USB-> serial adapter works perfectly find on it as well

[15:38:43]

GreyFoxx:

s/find/fine

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Fnc-1:

got cha! thx

[15:42:24]

Fnc-1:

hmm what about the max3232 chip.. im seeing all sorts of them like MAX3232IDWR and MAX3232CPWR ???

[15:42:53]

GreyFoxx:

I used exactly what the site listed

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GreyFoxx:

cpe I think it was, I'd have to look when I get home

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Fnc-1:

yeah thats what they say to use.. but i cant seem to find one...

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[Elvis]:

hello people

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[Elvis] is now known as Jasper

[16:01:05]

Jasper:

how are you all doing?

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Jasper:

what a overwelming reaction

[16:04:05]

Jasper:

:P

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Jasper:

anyways...I'm looking in to buying a new machine for mythtv

[16:04:33]

Jasper:

purely dedicated for mythtv that is.

[16:04:50]

Jasper:

I was looking pentium 4 3 ghz ...you guys have any further suggestions?

[16:06:00]

tkaine:

Jasper: Check this out, you might have to register to browse the forum, though. http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/index.php?c=5

[16:07:06]

tkaine:

Jasper: Hardware submitted by users sorted by "works out of the box", "works after setting up" and "doesnt work"

[16:07:34]

galorin:

Jasper, that's quite a powerful system for just myth, IMO...

[16:07:47]

tkaine:

Jasper: Thats for KnoppMyth, though. So some differences depending on what distro you use.

[16:08:58]

** tkaine agrees with galorin **

[16:09:10]

tkaine:

Maybe a bit overkill if its only for Myth. But if its gonna be a desktop too, then thats fine.

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Jasper:

tkaine

[16:09:38]

Jasper:

I had mythtv like 1 year ago

[16:09:42]

Jasper:

on my box 800 mhz

[16:09:45]

Jasper:

but that harddisk crashed

[16:09:54]

Jasper:

and I was looking into the costs of buying a new ide harddisk

[16:09:58]

Jasper:

vs a new system :P

[16:10:08]

tkaine:

Jasper: lol just buy a new hard drive then. :-P

[16:10:08]

Jasper:

since ide is outdated they are expensive and slow :P

[16:10:25]

Jasper:

well...the 800 mhz didn't show me the best performance

[16:10:29]

tkaine:

Jasper: Well Id just buy a new HD, but if youve got the money, everyone enjoys a new PC :-)

[16:10:38]

Jasper:

800 mhz is not enough

[16:10:41]

Jasper:

for mythtv..

[16:11:01]

Jasper:

I forgot all the damn names :P

[16:11:09]

tkaine:

Jasper: Somewhere inbetween is good. 1.5–2ghz

[16:11:14]

Jasper:

I used the hauppauge 500

[16:11:22]

Jasper:

so that wasn't much performance loss

[16:11:23]

tkaine:

Jasper: Depends a lot on your PVR card, of course

[16:11:34]

Jasper:

pvr-500

[16:11:34]

Jasper:

:P

[16:11:38]

Jasper:

so that's fine

[16:11:40]

tkaine:

Yeah thatll take the brunt of it

[16:11:55]

Jasper:

but for display I had to use..

[16:11:59]

Jasper:

what do you call it agfain

[16:12:01]

tkaine:

Save some money and pick up something a lil older, if its not gonna be a desktop too.

[16:12:12]

tkaine:

But if you wanna spend the money, go for it

[16:12:14]

Jasper:

that nvidia thingie (software helping stuff)

[16:12:16]

Jasper:

I forgot the name

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Jasper:

help me out here..

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Jasper:

:P

[16:12:32]

Jasper:

long time ago

[16:12:34]

tkaine:

Im not sure what youre referring to

[16:12:41]

tkaine:

I just install nvidia drivers and away it goes

[16:13:15]

Jasper:

it gets the load of the processor

[16:13:23]

Jasper:

I forgot the name..

[16:13:26]

tkaine:

But yeah, 1.5ghz+, Nvidia gfx card, fast HD (probably the most important), and a good chunk of ram, and off you go

[16:13:38]

tkaine:

Decoder

[16:14:23]

Jasper:

damnit, I'm browsing inet for the name

[16:15:00]

tkaine:

Around here you can buy an Athlon 1800+, 256mb DDR, 80gb hd, integrated video complete PC for $150

[16:15:04]

tkaine:

New

[16:15:18]

tkaine:

So Id just add ram, upgrade HD, and slap in a video card

[16:15:24]

tkaine:

Saves some money and has enough power

[16:15:38]

Jasper:

XvMC

[16:15:39]

Jasper:

that was it

[16:15:39]

Jasper:

!

[16:15:40]

Jasper:

:P

[16:15:48]

tkaine:

Ah. Never used that.

[16:15:52]

Jasper:

well it sux

[16:15:56]

tkaine:

heh

[16:15:56]

Jasper:

but it reduces load

[16:16:15]

Jasper:

I did recordings on 768*something

[16:16:16]

Jasper:

from tv

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sigger:

Jasper: why does xvmc suck?

[16:16:24]

Jasper:

quality sux

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galorin:

Here's something for yall.. when I did mythtv for my in-law, I used a nova-T card... Would I be better shelling out more for the PVR-500, instead of picking up 2 nova-t cards?

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Jasper:

nova-t = digital?

[16:16:49]

Jasper:

iirc

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tkaine:

Never heard of the Nova-T

[16:17:12]

galorin:

pvr-500 aint digital?

[16:17:17]

Jasper:

nope

[16:17:19]

Jasper:

it's analog

[16:17:20]

Jasper:

:P

[16:17:35]

galorin:

guess that answers that.. 2 Nova-T's it is then. and a few more fans

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Jasper:

:P

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galorin:

unless there are any digital tuner cards that do what the pvr-500 does for analog.

[16:18:22]

Jasper:

I was thinking 2 gigh

[16:18:23]

Jasper:

for cpu

[16:18:27]

Jasper:

but they don't sell that anymore

[16:18:31]

** j2^ is about to chuck his PVR-350 out da window. Why on [Insert deity of choise] green earth am i unable to compile the ivtv Xdriver? *aurgh* **

[16:18:32]

Jasper:

so I would have to go for a second hand

[16:18:40]

Jasper:

j2 ?

[16:18:44]

Jasper:

ivtv is easy to install

[16:18:50]

Jasper:

last time I did it (some time ago)

[16:18:51]

Jasper:

:P

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j2^:

Jasper: ivtv is easy to install yes. But compiling the X-driver from source to get xv is NOT easy ;)

[16:19:33]

Jasper:

I never used xv

[16:19:34]

Jasper:

:P

[16:19:37]

Jasper:

I use nvidia

[16:19:38]

Jasper:

:P

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kormoc:

j2^, what is so hard about ./configure --enable-strange-and-unknown-options && make && make install? :P

[16:20:48]

j2^:

kormoc: Have you looked at the source for the ivtv X-driver?

[16:20:52]

Jasper:

btw tkain I don't wanna go for athlon :P

[16:20:58]

Jasper:

I never bought amd, not gonna start it now :P

[16:21:11]

kormoc:

j2^, yeah, it's not /that/ bad

[16:21:33]

j2^:

kormoc: Then you should know it does not have ./configure ;)

[16:21:52]

kormoc:

j2^, isn't it now a part of ivtv?

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j2^:

kormoc: If it is, i havent found it.

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galorin:

crumbs, there's loads of those nova-t-usb2 thingies on ebay.. not many of the PCI cards though.

[16:22:42]

tkaine:

Jasper: Buy Intel then. I dont care. I have both. lol. Theyve each got their strong points.

[16:22:55]

tkaine:

Jasper: Just trying to suggest ways to save money.

[16:23:04]

tkaine:

Jasper: Because Im a cheap bastard.

[16:23:10]

Jasper:

me too

[16:23:10]

tkaine:

;-)

[16:23:11]

Jasper:

:P

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kormoc:

j2^, strange, they were talking bout adding it in for ivtv 4.2, so I just assumed they did, but sadly it looks like they didn't

[16:23:17]

Jasper:

but I look at it this way

[16:23:23]

Jasper:

I rather pay more now...so that in the future

[16:23:25]

Jasper:

I pay less

[16:23:25]

Jasper:

:P

[16:23:53]

tkaine:

I use AMD on my Myth box (for raw power) and Intel on my desktop (for SMP on the cheap).

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Jasper:

and I was thinking.......(hej jasper, you know 3ghz, that would make you able to run hdtv)

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kormoc:

tkaine, well, with the conroe procs, intel is back to being the cheap smp and raw power :)

[16:24:44]

Jasper:

kormoc I just read the review about the 820 d

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kormoc:

Jasper, that's not a conroe

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Jasper:

did I say that ? :P

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tkaine:

I havent bought a proc since the P4/AthlonXP generation, so yeah. You can see why I have what I have. :-)

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kormoc:

heh, fair nuff

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Jasper:

I was just wondering if anyone here has it in its box

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kormoc:

I have a 820-d in my box at home

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kormoc:

as does xris

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Jasper:

any good?

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Jasper:

heat problems?

[16:25:44]

kormoc:

I like it, and heat problems are not really there

[16:25:54]

Jasper:

and I heard it has some problems with 64 interface

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kormoc:

I have it with the intel BTX cooler, and the days have been hitting 100 to 102 out, and it's been maintaining around 92 or so

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tkaine:

My Intel is a P4 2.6ghz 800mhz-fsb 512kb-l2 HT proc

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kormoc:

nah, that's perfectly fine

[16:26:22]

tkaine:

Was new at the time

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tkaine:

Thats in my desktop, though

[16:26:38]

Jasper:

100 , 102 is ?

[16:26:39]

tkaine:

The MythTV box is an Athlon XP 1800+

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Jasper:

how much?

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Jasper:

what are the expected specs for running hdtv with myth?

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Jasper:

this channel has grown quite alot btw last year

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kormoc:

Jasper, 38 C or so

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kormoc:

Jasper, and 2 ghz is the recommended min, 3 ghz would be nice, but that's in p4 power

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Jasper:

kormoc for hdtv?

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kormoc:

aye

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Jasper:

what do you mean? that's in p4 power

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kormoc:

well, a amd 3500+ is only running at 2.3 ghz, but is equel to a p4 running at 3.5 ghz

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kormoc:

the conroes are also going to be slower but will perform like faster procs

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Jasper:

oh k

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Jasper:

but amd sux

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Jasper:

:P

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Jasper:

I remember the days of intel pentium 120 mhz...

[16:32:54]

Jasper:

and then amd, with their sucky sucky cpus :P

[16:32:59]

Jasper:

I never got over that thought :P

[16:33:06]

tkaine:

Times have changed since 200 years ago, Jasper ;-)

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opello:

back then they were just crappy intel procs though

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Jasper:

yeah

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Jasper:

amd really sucked in that era..

[16:34:12]

Jasper:

I got a trauma over it :P

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opello:

and intel botched dual core, no feeling jilted over that? :)

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Jasper:

oh

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Jasper:

I just found a good second hand pc

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Jasper:

on the internet

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Jasper:

3,4 ghz

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nomin:

does it matter what version of mysql is used with mythtv?

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Jasper:

hmm

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Jasper:

guys, help me out here, the 7300 video card any good?

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Jasper:

nvidia?

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GreyFoxx:

What version of myth ?

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nomin:

Version: 0.19.1–0.10553.0.1.20060plf

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GreyFoxx:

nomin: Any should be fine

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nomin:

ok, thanks.

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nomin:

I've wanted to insall mythtv for a while. I hope I can get it going.

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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** GreyFoxx has been happily using it for a long time. It's worth the effort imho :) But then I never was one for prebuilt solution like Tivo and such **

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kormoc:

Jasper, as long as it's not a turbo-cache card, yes, it's a nice card

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Jasper:

I heard something about the tv-out being shitty

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opello:

Jasper: it's a decent card, 3d acceleration is a bit lacking but a friend of mine plays bf2 on it

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opello:

not that you care about 3d for myth :)

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kormoc:

From the GeForce 4 cards and on, they re-did the tvout and it's been fine in my opinion

[16:56:55]

tkaine:

I just switched from Freevo to MythTV yesterday

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kormoc:

opello, the new libmythui uses open-gl as the painter, and that will be video card dependant

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opello:

aha, good point

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nomin:

does mysql-administrator make things easier?

[17:02:08]

nomin:

I'm probably only going to use mysql for mythtv

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GreyFoxx:

nomin: I've never used it

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GreyFoxx:

You have no choice really

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GreyFoxx:

oh, sorry I misread what you said

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GreyFoxx:

never used that admin tool

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GreyFoxx:

but many users use phpmyadmin

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GreyFoxx:

I just use the commandline

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Jasper:

damn

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Jasper:

tkaine

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Jasper:

I just called for that 2nd hand pc

[17:03:20]

nomin:

I might not need it if I'm just going to use it for mythtv

[17:03:21]

Jasper:

which is for sale

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Jasper:

it's only 399 euro :P

[17:03:38]

tkaine:

Jasper: Cool, if thats good. I dont know. lol

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Jasper:

Intel Pentium 4 – 3,4 gHz (650) – 64 Bit Processor Socket 775

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Jasper:

that's the cpu in it

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tkaine:

64 bit?

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** kormoc blinks **

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tkaine:

775?

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Jasper:

not good?

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kormoc:

that's not 64 bit...

[17:05:21]

tkaine:

That doesnt sound right

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Jasper:

yeah I know

[17:05:26]

tkaine:

Specs dont match

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kormoc:

nor lga-775

[17:05:46]

Jasper:

butttttt

[17:05:53]

Jasper:

the new price of that cpu = 319 euro

[17:06:07]

tkaine:

Better find out what CPU youre getting first, because that doesnt add up.

[17:06:17]

Jasper:

it's a 650

[17:06:37]

tkaine:

Well if he gets a major thing wrong, he may have something else wrong, too, like the 650.

[17:06:51]

tkaine:

Id make sure you can go see it first

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Jasper:

I can

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Jasper:

I go see it tomorrow

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tkaine:

Cool

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kormoc:

Jasper, but you can get a pentium d 940 for less then that, and that's a 3.0 ghz dual core 64 bit proc...

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kormoc:

Jasper, which will perform better

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tkaine:

I dunno what stuffs worth in Euros

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Jasper:

erm kormoc

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Jasper:

I can't get a complete system with d 940 for 399 euro

[17:07:42]

Jasper:

:P

[17:07:59]

Jasper:

this is including asus-p5ad2

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Jasper:

and a 250 gb harddisk

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Jasper:

hmm kormoc

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Jasper:

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Jasper:

supporting Hyper-Threading Technology 90 nm, LGA775

[17:12:13]

Jasper:

and kormoc it also says Intel EM64T

[17:12:20]

Jasper:

maybe that's what he meant with 64 bit ?

[17:12:49]

Jasper:

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Jasper:

64-bit computing on the server/workstation and desktop platforms when combined with supporting software

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kormoc:

huh

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kormoc:

I didn't think any of the 6xx procs had EM64T

[17:15:46]

Jasper:

http://www.intel.com/products/processor_number/body_view_p4.htm

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Jasper:

looks like it..

[17:16:16]

Jasper:

so that makes it a good deal right ? :P

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Jasper:

the motherboard has 8 sata connections :P

[17:21:03]

Jasper:

you can attach 14 storage devices :P

[17:21:19]

kormoc:

it's a okay deal then

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kormoc:

I still feel that building it yourself, if only just for the warantee is a good idea

[17:22:38]

Hoxzer:

does mythfrontend generate logfile automatically?

[17:22:42]

kormoc:

no

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dhr:

what do people use to burn DVDs from Myth recording? I don't need anything fancy because I'm only time shifting: commercials can stay, chapters don't matter.

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Jasper:

yes kormoc

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Jasper:

but I just calculated the costs of building that system

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Jasper:

with the components

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Jasper:

you would end up on 800 europ

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Jasper:

and now I can get it for 400 euro

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Jasper:

becuase that guy upgraded to dual core

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Hoxzer:

Can somebody write how to about getting a life?

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Jasper:

not me...am to busy getting a life..

[17:25:59]

Jasper:

maybe in a later stadium

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Hoxzer:

:/ me too actual.ly

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Hoxzer:

:D but I really how to do it

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Hoxzer:

Honestly always when I have to communicate irl I do something stupid

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Jasper:

sorry dude, can't help you with that

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Jasper:

I don't seem to have that problem very much :P

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dhr:

Jasper: random thoughts: CPU prices are crashing, Core 2 should be nice for HT (less power than P4). Does 64-bit matter? If so, I think P4's is poor (extra pass through ALU compared with 32-bit; unlike AMD64).

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Jasper:

ok dhr

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Jasper:

BUT on the other side

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Jasper:

it's gonna be purely used for mythtv

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Jasper:

and the specs should be able to handle hdtv with a p4 3,4

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Jasper:

so why go even higher..

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Jasper:

and I also have to watch the money :P

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Jasper:

I'm not gonna get a new system for 400 euro's

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Jasper:

I just want LOTS AND LOTS of disk space for the system

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Jasper:

and a cpu that can run hdtv for the future

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dhr:

Jasper: P4 is surely plenty powerful. But lots of heat. As far as system price, I have no idea. Here (Canada) we envy US prices. You probably envy ours. I'm a bargain hunter. My desktop is an HP Athlon 64 3800x2; with 17" LCD and printer, cost C$800 new (January). That would be under 400 euros, I think. (C$ is about US$0.90)

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Jasper:

that's nice

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Jasper:

but it's not that cheap over here I guess

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Jasper:

AMD ATHLON 64 3800+ 512KB SKT939

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Jasper:

you have that?

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kormoc:

Yeah, I can build you a box that would beat the pants off of that p4 box for 400 euros, but I'm just guessing parts are just most costly over there

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kormoc:

no, he has the x2 model of that

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Jasper:

AMD ATHLON 64 X2 3800+ SKT AM2

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Jasper:

ah

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Jasper:

that's 200 euro's over here

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Jasper:

that processor

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Jasper:

only the cpu that is

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dhr:

I said I was a bargain hunter. Came with DVD writer AND DVD reader, 1G of RAM.

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kormoc:

that's bout the same as over here, around $340 and so around 170 E

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Jasper:

and that pentium 4 cpu is 330 euro here

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dhr:

there are bargains right now in processors. This looks amazing; Canada-only, but there might be similar other places: http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/Search . . . p;CatId=1950

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Jasper:

hmm

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Jasper:

we definately don't have that over here

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Jasper:

that's like the cheap airliners :P

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dhr:

oops: I'm wrong about euro. C$38.97 is 27.17 euro

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dhr:

note also that the Tiger Direct price is misleading: shipping is extra, there is VAT-like tax on top, and the tax applies to the pre-rebate amount.

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Jasper:

well, I'm just gonna look at that box tomorrow

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Jasper:

and if it works I think I'll take it for 399..

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Jasper:

my only concern is the supplied video device

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dhr:

good luck

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Jasper:

since I heard bad storys about the 7000 series

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Jasper:

of nvidia

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nomin:

I'm in the 'connect source to input' section. I'm running 'mythtv-setup'. When I select 'scan for channels', I get a message saying, 'failed to open the card'.

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nomin:

does this mean I didn't tell it the right source for the video?

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dhr:

Jasper: 7000 cards are quite powerful (with proprietary drivers) I think. What are the problems

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nomin:

when mythtv is scanning for channels while running 'mythtv-setup', will I see and hear the channels as it is scanning them so that I will know for sure if it is working or not?

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GreyFoxx:

nomin: I don't believe you will :)

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GreyFoxx:

nomin: Are you using something other than north american analog cable ?

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Jasper:

dhr I heard something about tv-out

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Jasper:

that was like half a year ago

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Jasper:

don't recall it very well..

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PeterC:

I have just updated kernel 2.6.15 to 2.6.16 and because of that I have also updated ivtv from 0.4 to 0.6. I have also changed in mythtv-setup from 'Tuner' to 'Tuner 1' but it still doesn't work when I try to record a TV show. LiveTV works fine. The /var/log/mythbackend.log says 'ChannelBase: Could not find input: Tuner on card when setting channel 1'. Is there something more that needs to be adjusted?

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Jasper:

maybe it was that they have no xvmc

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Jasper:

but I won't need that

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Jasper:

with such processor speeds I guess..

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Jasper:

I used the xvmc with my 800 mhz though

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Pio:

can i get away with using a p3 750 for myth if i buy a pvr [12]50?

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kormoc:

Pio, likely, with a proper video card and just SDTV

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Pio:

yeah definitely SD

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Pio:

i was planning on using an old geforce ti 4200

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nomin:

GreyFoxx: I have north american analog cable.

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GreyFoxx:

nomin: Then you shouldn't need to scan channels

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GreyFoxx:

When you setup your zap2it program listings and such it will get the channel info from there

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nomin:

q

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psofa:

anyone here knows of a nice prog for my mythbox that can automatically rip (arccos etc..) a dvd extract the main movie split it to 2 dvds (if needed) and burn it?

[18:13:55]

Zide:

split to 2 dvds..?

[18:14:02]

Zide:

why on earth would you do that?

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opello:

and where does arc cosine come in

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opello:

psofa: iirc there's dvd::rip, which i've used with transcode in the past to parallelize a dvd rip -> xvid, which was pretty fun

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psofa:

opello, ive used it in the past also but i dont know if it can deal with arccos

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Zide:

wtf is arccos?

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opello:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARccOS

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opello:

i didn't know either, heh

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opello:

psofa: not a big list though, you could always try

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opello:

if it fails, try one of the programs they list on a windows box?

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psofa:

opello, the idea is to do all my dvd copying to my mythbox instead of my desktop with windows :)

[18:22:51]

opello:

well, i guess instead of spending time searching for the perfect solution i'd do what works now :) but that's your prerogative

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psofa:

you're right ill stay with my winbox

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funkmaster:

hey ppl :) i want to record several stations simultaneously, i think that is not possible with a analogue card, unless it's a twin tuner or i have more tv cards, the way i understand it, i can only record as many stations at the same time as i have tuners(tv cards) but what about the digital tv cards can i record stations at the same time? i heard something if they r on the same transponder it's possible? is that true some1 knows any

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opello:

sometimes it's just easier :/

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opello:

funkmaster: last i heard on that was it isn't supported yet, but will/could be someday

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funkmaster:

opello: hm this really sucks, there must be a way.. meah..

[18:29:55]

opello:

i'm sure someone else knows, maybe another piece of software can do it?

[18:30:01]

funkmaster:

but thx for the nfo, if some1 else knows s.th. please lemme know

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GreyFoxx:

funkmaster: Supposedly VDR will do it if both shows are on the same transport

[18:30:14]

funkmaster:

i don't think it's a software issue

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GreyFoxx:

and at some point will will likely support it

[18:30:28]

GreyFoxx:

Sure it is, the software must support it :)

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funkmaster:

yes yes of course, but 1st u need the hardware for it ;)

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j2^:

Hm, lets say i was stupied enough to delete /etc/init.d/lirc How do i get it back (on debian)? apt-get --reinstall install lirc did not do the trick :)

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funkmaster:

but VDR can do 2 chans or more on the same transpon?

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GreyFoxx:

funkmaster: So I've read

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funkmaster:

GreyFoxx: sorry didn't get it.. so more then 2, yes?

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janneg:

funkmaster: yes

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GreyFoxx:

I'm not saying yes or no cause that would imply I've done it. But I've read that it can

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js0:

Is there a way to program mythtv to shut down the computer from either the remote or the power button on the pc?

[18:32:48]

funkmaster:

yes ok with vdr u mean video disc recorder?

[18:33:08]

janneg:

funkmaster: as long you have enough pci and disk bandwidth

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GreyFoxx:

http://www.cadsoft.de/vdr/

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opello:

i do like the lcars look though

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funkmaster:

GreyFoxx: yep thx for the url

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funkmaster:

janneg&GreyFoxx: actually VDR uses max 4 dvb cards, so again 4 tuners, 4 stations at the same time...

[18:35:34]

GreyFoxx:

*sigh*

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funkmaster:

according to website

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GreyFoxx:

NO

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GreyFoxx:

then the website needs to be updated :)

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GreyFoxx:

You can tune to a single transport yes, but you can record more than one of the incoming streams in the same transport

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Super_Cat_Frog:

hi – im having problems with my dvb card: dvb-bt8xx: a frontend driver was not found for device 109e/0878 subsystem 1822/0003

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GreyFoxx:

So 4 transports at a time, who knows how many channels at once

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Super_Cat_Frog:

sometimes when i boot up, i get that error in dmesg | grep -i dvb, somtimes it just works

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Super_Cat_Frog:

any ideas?

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funkmaster:

GreyFoxx: hmpf ok then i need to read up on that first

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Super_Cat_Frog:

my problem sounds like it may be a race condition between 2 kernel modules getting loaded, but i dont know which, and im not 100% sure on that

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GreyFoxx:

a TS is basically a stream of several audio/video streams. You jsut pick which streams you wanna keep

[18:38:31]

GreyFoxx:

In fact I would not be suprised if there were newer versions of VDR out there than what is on that site. In fact I'm almost positive there are

[18:38:50]

GreyFoxx:

you might wanna google around

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funkmaster:

will check it out, thx :D very helpful

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Super_Cat_Frog:

here's the output of my /var/log/messages.0: http://rafb.net/paste/results/ySHeXJ32.html

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Jasper:

is juski here often?

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Dagmar:

Oh bloody wonderful

[18:40:02]

Dagmar:

Jasper: Mainly late at night

[18:40:03]

Jasper:

he helped me out like half a year ago with shit and stuff :P

[18:40:17]

Jasper:

I was wondering if he still had the url to cat5/video

[18:40:21]

Jasper:

the schematics

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Dagmar:

Both my 5V rails are close to 7–8% off the mark

[18:40:47]

Dagmar:

Time to replace that power supply

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Dagmar:

You need schematics to run video over cat5?

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LabMonkey:

anyone know the status of the SoC project for winmyth?

[18:49:00]

LabMonkey:

last time I looked at the SoC page on mythtv.org it just said it was assigned to someone

[18:49:10]

kormoc:

LabMonkey, and it says the same right now

[18:49:15]

LabMonkey:

right

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LabMonkey:

just wondering if there's been any talk on mailing lists or anything

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kormoc:

you could, I donno, say... try searching them?

[18:49:54]

kormoc:

or even look at the windows-port revision log

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kormoc:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/log/branches/windows-port

[18:50:07]

LabMonkey:

but your brain (specifically concious memory) is a much faster search engine :D

[18:50:17]

LabMonkey:

ooh

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GreyFoxx:

LabMonkey: They are not working on "winmyth"

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GreyFoxx:

they are working on a windows /cygwin port

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GreyFoxx:

there is a difference :)

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LabMonkey:

awe... not cygwin :(

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Dagmar:

I'm not sure I'd even call it that

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LabMonkey:

I just want a win32 frontend :(

[18:50:50]

GreyFoxx:

I haven't seen much code go by

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GreyFoxx:

but he could be hording ti

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Juski:

re

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Dagmar:

...or they could be just fumbling around in the dark trying to "reverse engineer" the protocol because they can't read C++

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Juski:

Dagmar: you need schematics to run video over cat5 when you're sending it _differentially_ :-P

[18:54:13]

Dagmar:

Is that something like sending the picture sideways?

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Dagmar:

...or do you roll it up first so it fits in the wire better?

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Juski:

no it's sending the signal as analogue, properly

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Juski:

because funnily enough if you don't do it differentially, it's very susceptible to interference

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Dagmar:

You can't just take advantage of the twisty pairs of wires that make it so expensive?

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Juski:

nope

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Dagmar:

Well. Learn somethin' new every day I guess

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Juski:

anyway – expensive, compared to what exactly? I don't see 300metres of video coax costing £20

[18:56:42]

Dagmar:

Compared to plain, everyday wires

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Juski:

you can't send video over them either ;-)

[18:57:18]

Dagmar:

There's a lot of price gouging there, I know

[18:57:24]

Dagmar:

O yes you can. :)

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Dagmar:

It'll suck but you can

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Juski:

over short distances maybe not so bad.. but over 20metres.. yuk

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Dagmar:

Lesse... that's 200 soup cans long...

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Fnc-1:

what are we talking about?

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Fnc-1:

copper?

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PeterC:

Just updated mythtv from 0.19.5 to 0.19.10 and it seems that mythweb stopped working with message 'Error: data directory is not writable by www-data. Please check permissions.' Anyone with the same problem?

[18:58:34]

Dagmar:

When did those versions come out?

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GreyFoxx:

They haven't :)

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Dagmar:

I blinked at the wrong time

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Dagmar:

Have you possibly checked those permissions?

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Juski:

who is calling those version numbers?

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PeterC:

Sorry, meant 0.19–0.10

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PeterC:

But the problem still remains...

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Dagmar:

Dude, there's only 0.19, (kinda) 0.19-fixes, and HEAD

[19:01:36]

Dagmar:

PeterC: So have you checked the permissions it's asking you about?

[19:01:56]

Dagmar:

PeterC: ...because it looks like a pretty trivial Apache problem to me.

[19:02:46]

Dagmar:

I kinda wish xris would just put his foot down and demand everyone use suexec

[19:02:59]

PeterC:

Dagmar: Yes, it seems trivial as long as I know what directory it is talking about.

[19:03:39]

Dagmar:

PeterC: Here's a hint. Go into the directory where mythweb lives and grep the whole thing for "data directory is not writable"

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Juski:

it tells you which dir it's talking about

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Dagmar:

I don't have it installed here yet, so I can't look through that and see

[19:04:14]

Juski:

would it somehow be better if it just said "not worky work. ask for help in #mythtv-users" ? ;-)

[19:05:01]

PeterC:

Juski: 'data' directory seems rather fuzzy to me.

[19:05:15]

Juski:

the data directory is called 'data', by some weird twist of amazing fate

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funkmaster:

the Hauppauge WinTV NOVA-t PCI is a good dvb card?

[19:05:26]

Dagmar:

Juski: Maybe if you set LOCALE to cn_EN

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Dagmar:

Oh wait, I still need to release that

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Dagmar:

I translated most of the text strings in Slackware into Engrish

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Juski:

so when it says 'data directory' it means the directory called data in the mythweb directory. what is so hard to comprehend about that? ;-)

[19:07:47]

Dagmar:

it's too straightforward.

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Dagmar:

It confuses people.

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xris:

Dagmar: suexec is a huge PITA.. and only works with cgi

[19:08:30]

Dagmar:

Without saying data/ it adheres firmly to the principle of slappingest foreheads

[19:08:45]

Dagmar:

xris: Is not mythweb a cgi?

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xris:

no, it's php

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xris:

well, except for the .pl script in svn

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xris:

but most people run php as a module

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Dagmar:

Euw. Well, now I do have a reason to dislike php even further

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xris:

?

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PeterC:

Juski: Well, for me it is certainly not obvious that it was located at '/usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/data'

[19:10:05]

Juski:

anyway PeterC sorry for the verbal slapping but can you see what we're getting at now?

[19:10:15]

Dagmar:

I have this thing for nailing every little network accessible anything into the tiniest little box I can manage

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xris:

Dagmar: all of that stuff is handled on a config basis in the package. you can configure it however you want.

[19:10:38]

Dagmar:

Usually, if I have a CGI running, it's not only using it's own role account, but it's part of the filesystem is separate from the rest

[19:10:50]

Dagmar:

Ah okay, that's better I guess

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Dagmar:

It's a real bitch to do forensics when all the suspicious files are owned by nouser.nogroup or freaking apache.apache

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Juski:

why did the installer put the mythweb directory there anyway? I'd have thought the most logical place for it would be where apache's document root is.. but hey no harm done

[19:12:42]

Dagmar:

I am way too geeky about compsec stuff.

[19:12:58]

Darthy:

hi. my backend crashes sometimes without any log entry. is there a kind of a watchdog that i can automatically restart the backend?

[19:13:15]

Juski:

Darthy: if I were you I'd get to the bottom of why it's crashing

[19:13:15]

alieas:

hey can you guys tell me... does the internal player play everything that mplayer does? (.bin svcd, h.264, etc) ?

[19:13:30]

PeterC:

Juski: OK, but should I really change owner/group from root to www-data?

[19:13:34]

Juski:

alieas: it does more than that

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GreyFoxx:

alies: It supports pretty much anything that the ffmpeg libraries support

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Jasper:

juski :P

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Dagmar:

I actually had a dream one night that I had found a patch that would let me apply very small limits to process accounting, so that I could further secure CGIs by crediting them on exit, so if anything new spawned from them, they'd go over budget and die

[19:13:41]

Juski:

PeterC: yep

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Jasper:

hellowwwww

[19:13:43]

Jasper:

remember me

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** Juski groans **

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Juski:

yes I remember

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Juski:

:-P

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Jasper:

I'm the irritating guy with the xvmc

[19:14:03]

Jasper:

:P

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Jasper:

and cat5/video

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alieas:

cool.. I'd like to use it to keep video playback within the mythtv "resized" settings. all you have to do is put "internal" in the player's command line?

[19:14:59]

Jasper:

anyways I have a question for you juski :P

[19:15:26]

Jasper:

if I have 2 video devices in my box...can I make one videocard always run mythtv...controlable with remote and shit and do everything...

[19:15:36]

Jasper:

and with 2nd videocard and mouse/keyboard make a normal working pc end

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Dagmar:

Juski: OMG. Someone patented thta

[19:15:46]

Juski:

alieas: I think it might have to be 'Internal' not 'internal' but I could be wrong

[19:15:47]

Dagmar:

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7047556.html

[19:15:52]

Dagmar:

Lame, lame, lame.

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alieas:

dagmar: ah! thats why its not working. :) thank you

[19:16:20]

GreyFoxx:

Jasper: Yes you can

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Dagmar:

Umm.. you're welcome?

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Jasper:

I was thinking, it's rather useless to buy a 3,4 ghz dedicated for mythttv

[19:16:53]

Juski:

Dagmar: so they patented one method. I don't care ;-)

[19:16:54]

mikearthur:

how do I remove channels from the channel editor?

[19:16:58]

Jasper:

so why not make a browser on the other side

[19:17:04]

Jasper:

and make it a internet box at the same time

[19:17:05]

Jasper:

:P

[19:17:31]

Juski:

ymmv with that stuff, believe me

[19:17:32]

Dagmar:

Jasper: Or, you could just buy a cheaper machine

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Juski:

get a 700mhz celery or so

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GreyFoxx:

Jasper: If you have an nvidia card you can do it on a singla card.

[19:18:04]

GreyFoxx:

VGA = 1 X server, TVout = another X Server

[19:18:27]

Dagmar:

Oh dear. yes, okay, I definitely needed to order a new power supply. I just watched the 5V rail hit 4.1V

[19:18:30]

GreyFoxx:

I really should set that up again and write a howto or something, seems more and more people ask about it

[19:18:48]

Juski:

Dagmar: check the motherboard's capacitors ;-)

[19:19:09]

Dagmar:

Juski: THey would not be affecting what my multimeter says jacked into one of the molex connectors

[19:19:16]

Dagmar:

It's a wonder this thing is still running

[19:19:29]

Dagmar:

The little needle is probably not supposed to wobble like this when the machine is idle.

[19:20:35]

Dagmar:

My first thought was that possibly the winbond chip was going south and misreporting things, and since I just bought a pair of multimeters last week I figured I'd use them

[19:20:47]

PeterC:

Juski: I tried 'chown root:www-data /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/data/' but no success.

[19:20:50]

Juski:

I said check the capacitors cos some can slowly go shorted. happenned to me once

[19:21:01]

Dagmar:

PeterC: Is it *group writeable*?

[19:21:30]

Dagmar:

Juski: If I were to short the motherboard sense pins, I would still be getting these wack readings. I'm tapped into the powersupply, not the motherboard

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PeterC:

Dagmar: Aha, nope

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Dagmar:

I thikn I'm just going to power this thing down afetr Eureka airs tonight and leave it off until the new PSU comes in

[19:22:30]

Dagmar:

Kinda sad, but I guess it had a good run of five years

[19:22:46]

Dagmar:

...and as usual, it was a power supply that came with the case.

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Dagmar:

Another "classic example" of why one should just throw any PSU that comes with a cheap case away with the shipping materials.

[19:23:51]

Dagmar:

They're just about the only power supplies I ever have to replace that didn't choke to death on dust

[19:23:52]

PeterC:

Dagmar: Now it works! Thanks! And also thanks to Juski!

[19:23:53]

Zide:

any PSU recommendations?

[19:24:17]

Fnc-1:

hrm

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Dagmar:

Antec, ttgi, there's quite a few decent ones out there.

[19:24:18]

Fnc-1:

The M-Card enables consumers of retail set-top boxes and integrated digital television sets to watch and/or record their programming from multiple simultaneous tuners using a single CableCARD (e.g., handling picture-in-picture or simultaneous watch-and-record of multiple digital video channels).

[19:25:09]

mikearthur:

how do I remove channels?

[19:25:20]

Fnc-1:

http://www.cepro.com/news/editorial/14286.html

[19:25:36]

Dagmar:

I strongly recommend avoiding any power supply that doesn't have at least five regulatory approval symbols on it

[19:26:18]

Dagmar:

Fnc-1: That looks all the world like a PCMCIA card

[19:26:31]

Dagmar:

I wonder if they got the graphic wrong

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Fnc-1:

its one of them cable cards your plug into the back of your tv.. first one it looks like to get "approved"

[19:27:33]

Fnc-1:

if it is pcmcia, you could plug it into a pc with pci to pcmcia adapter

[19:27:49]

Dagmar:

Maybe not

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Dagmar:

It might generate an HMC error

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Dagmar:

Just because they use the same socket doesn't necessarily mean they're compatible

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Dagmar:

"1) The CableCard is not electrically PCMCIA. So it won't work in an PCMCIA adaptor." <-- quick google search

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Dagmar:

"HMC error" == Halt, Melt, Catch fire.

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Fnc-1:

i googled it, but the old cable card your reading about, is something different than this...

[19:31:27]

Fnc-1:

thats why i said IF it is pcmcia

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Fnc-1:

anyway.. M is for multi-stream

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Jasper:

on one card greyfoxx that sounds interesting

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Dagmar:

I keep seeing the phrase "physically a PCMCIA card" and multiple other places saying it's not electrically compatible with computers

[19:36:24]

Jasper:

but it's a cheap card

[19:36:25]

Jasper:

it has a XFX Gforce 7300 LE

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GreyFoxx:

Jasper: I've done it on my Geforce4 MX 440's

[19:37:28]

GreyFoxx:

for a while my desktop and my mythtv machine was the same box :)

[19:37:29]

Jasper:

oh k

[19:37:35]

Jasper:

but their tv-out is crappy

[19:37:36]

Jasper:

:P

[19:37:42]

GreyFoxx:

Nah, it rocks

[19:37:45]

Jasper:

oh wait

[19:37:47]

Jasper:

geforce4

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Jasper:

I thought 2

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Jasper:

:P

[19:38:01]

Jasper:

I bought a 6200 for tv-out like 2 months ago

[19:38:06]

Jasper:

maybe few more

[19:38:11]

Jasper:

but now my computer broke down

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Jasper:

so I have to buy ANOTHER video card...because agp is no longer supported

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Jasper:

on most main boards

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Dagmar:

umm, wherever you're buying boards from has a crappy selection

[19:38:55]

Dagmar:

There's still plenty of AGP boards out there.

[19:39:07]

Dagmar:

Heck, mine has both AGP 8X *and* PCI-E

[19:39:22]

Jasper:

yes dagmar

[19:39:25]

Jasper:

but I want an asus

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Jasper:

:P

[19:41:23]

Dagmar:

NewEgg has 11 that fit that criteria

[19:41:59]

Dagmar:

Mainly the K8N and K8V lines tho

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psofa:

Dagmar, im under the impression that the combo mobo's are some crap chipset ones

[19:42:06]

Dagmar:

Not always.

[19:42:21]

Dagmar:

ULi came out of nowhere with a really good rig, which is probably why nVidia gobbled them right up

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Dagmar:

This is the first one I've had where pushing the sound card didn't notably lag the video interface on games

[19:43:23]

Dagmar:

...adn the mic input is more rational than the one in my SBLive. Go figure

[19:43:41]

Dagmar:

I practically had to shout at people in DDO using the SBLive

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psofa:

Dagmar, still they dont get much attention

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psofa:

so i wouldnt dare buying it

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Dagmar:

Well, like I said, they were *bought by nVidia*. So, no more ULi-named stuff probably

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psofa:

and now im stuch with an amd64 agp platform

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psofa:

:(

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Dagmar:

Note that players of D&D-type games dont' like it when you put weird voice filters on your mic input

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Dagmar:

psofa: ASRock 939dual-SATA2

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Dagmar:

Cheap, freakish numbers of upgrade options

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Jasper:

I was wondering

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Jasper:

double layer dvd is burned 2 layers on both side

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Jasper:

or 1 on each?

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Dagmar:

Neither.

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Dagmar:

It's two layers on one side.

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Jasper:

erm

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Jasper:

that's what I mean

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Jasper:

t

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Jasper:

with the 1st one

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Jasper:

:

[19:46:59]

Jasper:

my mistake

[19:47:14]

Jasper:

so those discs are probably a lot more expensive

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Dagmar:

The other side is only writeable on LightScribe media, and the storage capacity on the other side is depressingly low

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Dagmar:

It gets better if you have a good magnifying glass, tho.

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Dagmar:

The DL media is definitely more expensive. Between $1-$5 per disc

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Dagmar:

I'm not getting a lightscribe burner until something under Linux can make it do it's magic thing

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Dagmar:

Although frankly I'd pay more for one I didn't have to take the dratted disc out and flip it over to write the label

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Jasper:

I'm curious about the box I'm gonna get tomorrow

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Jasper:

you never know with 2nd hand machines..

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Dagmar:

I know that usually they're free

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Jasper:

this one aint

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Jasper:

haven't read the discussion on top

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Jasper:

it's 400 euro

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Dagmar:

Then it might well be somewhat fast

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Jasper:

3,4 gigh

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Jasper:

Intel Pentium 4 – 3,4 gHz (650) – 64 Bit Processor Socket 775

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Dagmar:

Since you're paying in euros does that mean it runs in gigahertze?

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Dagmar:

Nevermind.

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Jasper:

yes..

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Jasper:

:P

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Jasper:

but it also does so where you live?

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Dagmar:

Nope. Mine run in proper gigahertz

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Jasper:

oh

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Jasper:

I'm not a german dude

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Jasper:

it's not hertze here

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Dagmar:

Now he gets it. *sigh*

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Fnc-1:

the price went up jasper thought it was 399?

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Jasper:

christ

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Jasper:

8)

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Jasper:

Fnc-1 it has this mainboard

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Jasper:

Asus P5AD2 Premium

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Jasper:

looks ok...

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Fnc-1:

what cha usin it fer?

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Jasper:

what you mean?

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** Fnc-1 needs a mb with a 64bit pci slot **

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Fnc-1:

what you going to use the box for?

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Jasper:

I'm using it for mythtv offcourse

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Jasper:

:P

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Dagmar:

Oh darn you

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Fnc-1:

i got me one of these... http://www.adaptec.com/en-US/products/raid/sata/AAR-21610SA/

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Dagmar:

THat thing has a nice large BIOS chip

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Dagmar:

It chaps my a** that the board I have in my desktop doesn't have a BIOS large enough to wedge a boot graphic into

[19:55:44]

Dagmar:

Looking at the specs, that is a quite nice board

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Jasper:

yeah

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Jasper:

I like the specs too

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Jasper:

2 gigabit ethernet

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Jasper:

capacity for up to 14 discs

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Jasper:

8 sata, some pata and ide

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Jasper:

all supported

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stuarta:

evening all

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Dagmar:

Both NIC ports are GigE, 8 USB ports, freaking three firewire ports,

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Dagmar:

Freakin' 802.11g onboard

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Jasper:

all for that lovely price of 399 euro's :p

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Jasper:

I told the guys here, if I take the prices of all the loose items with their price as it is now..

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Jasper:

it adds up to 923 euro's

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Jasper:

so I don't know why he sells it this cheap..

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Jasper:

but it looks like a nice board to run myth on

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Jasper:

oh dagmar you forgot 7.1 Dolby Digital Live High Definition audio

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Jasper:

8)

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Dagmar:

Nah

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Nichotin:

Hi, anyone stumbled across the problem with lirc_serial not wanting to be modprobed? (gives an error about verify_area)

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Dagmar:

That's easy to get in other ways

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Dagmar:

Oddly, I can't seem to find the thing listed in Pricewatch for any vendor

[20:00:39]

Jasper:

I found it on a few spots

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Jasper:

around 190 dollar

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Jasper:

I think it is

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Dagmar:

Froogle finds a few places with them for ~$165USd

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Jasper:

now

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Jasper:

is that much for a mainboard in the us?

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Dagmar:

Actually yeah

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Jasper:

I don't know how old this thing is

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Dagmar:

A good premium board usually runs between $100-$130, but it's usually cheaper with AMD boards

[20:01:30]

Jasper:

ah k

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Dagmar:

...another reason why I vastly prefer AMD

[20:01:43]

Jasper:

I'm reading a review about it now

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Jasper:

http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?i . . . kie%5Ftest=1

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mikearthur:

any UK people here?

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stuarta:

i'm partially here....

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hashbang:

mikearthur: aye

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mikearthur:

any of you from Edinburgh and have a Freeview card?

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** stuarta is suffering from free beer **

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stuarta:

no, but there's not a lot that's specific to edinburgh

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zambba:

Is X required in backend computer?

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LabMonkey:

I'm way satisfied with my $1200 mythbox

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LabMonkey:

it's secksie

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stuarta:

zambba: nope

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LabMonkey:

3Ghz 64bit P4-HT

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LabMonkey:

4GB ram

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LabMonkey:

dual 300GB SATA drives in raid0

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LabMonkey:

hauppage pvr-500

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LabMonkey:

all in a sexy little htpc case with VFD

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stuarta:

mikearthur: did you have a question?

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LabMonkey:

err... VFD/IR

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mikearthur:

I'm looking for the UK freeview channels

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stuarta:

yup....

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LabMonkey:

is freeview like tv without paying a license fee for bbc?

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mikearthur:

nope

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mikearthur:

its free digital

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mikearthur:

well

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LabMonkey:

ahh

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mikearthur:

tv license digital

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LabMonkey:

so you pay your license and you get free digital?

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LabMonkey:

any HD?

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LabMonkey:

more and more I keep hearing about stuff that makes me want to move to the UK

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LabMonkey:

like inflatible art that kills people

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mikearthur:

no HD yet

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LabMonkey:

thing is... if I ever moved to the UK I'd have to figure out some way to plug all of my US electronics into UK mains

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Dagmar:

I thought the Box Monster prank was priceless

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Dagmar:

You can't do that kind of thing in the US. People will fucking sue you.

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LabMonkey:

box monster prank?

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Dagmar:

Yep. Some prankster in London took a bunch of anonymous looking brown cardboard boxes and hollwed them out to make a suit.

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Dagmar:

Then he'd go to a streetcorner, get himself settled, and wait for someone to walk by.

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Dagmar:

At which point he'd straighten up, go RAWR and chase after them.

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LabMonkey:

hahaha

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LabMonkey:

awesomecross

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GreyFoxx:

heh we have a comedy show here that does similar called "Just for Laughs" :)

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GreyFoxx:

they often have that kind of thing mixed in to their regular stuff :)

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Darthy:

why is mplayer not zooming to my full display when startet with mythtv-frontend? am i missing an argument?

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Dagmar:

Perhaps -fs -zoom, but since we don't know what arguments you're using, it could really be anything.

[20:29:27]

Darthy:

i use -fs -zoom

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Darthy:

its zooming fully on vertical axis

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Darthy:

but horizontal is not zoomed

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Darthy:

i get blanks on the left and right

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Darthy:

i tried switch_ratio <value> but no luck

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Darthy:

another question: how can i skip to a next track on a dvd using mplayer?

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Aid1:

does anyone here have an easy way to strip commercials from your recordings?

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kormoc:

Aid1, use the comflag, import into the cutlist and transcode out?

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Aid1:

umm i dont know comflag, let me google

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Aid1:

but its as easy as that?

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kormoc:

yes

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Aid1:

comflag is the sql file?

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JDStone:

where can I get a Mythtv 0.19 deb?

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JDStone:

I'd prefer not to compile from source

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Aid1:

kormoc: what happens if i already exported the nuv file?

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JDStone:

for Debian that is

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mikearthur:

JDStone: just use 0.18

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mikearthur:

or google for "debian mythtv 0.19"

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Aid1:

Where can i get the commflags?

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Nichotin:

what is usually wrong if I have modprobed lirc_i2c, and lirc_dev, and there still is no /dev/lirc/*?

[20:51:32]

JDStone:

mikearthur, where do I find a deb for 0.18?

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mikearthur:

is it not in the repos?

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JDStone:

nope

[20:51:59]

JDStone:

no mythtv in the repos at all

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mikearthur:

sux2bu

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mikearthur:

google for it

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JDStone:

I searched the package database at debian.org

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JDStone:

i am, thanks mikearthur

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JDStone:

mikearthur, can I use ubuntu packages?

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mikearthur:

no

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mikearthur:

you can use ubuntu though

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JDStone:

hehe, true

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JDStone:

maybe I just will

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Darthy:

what if xine is just playing a disclaimer then stops ?

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Aid1:

who here transcodes right after a recording?

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stuarta:

sometimes....

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Aid1:

do you have to setup a job to do it? or what?

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stuarta:

it's one of the "standard jobs". it just need enabling....

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Aid1:

okay

[21:20:05]

Aid1:

....

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Aid1:

:P

[21:20:22]

Aid1:

then its just pushed into the queue?

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Fnc-1:

Darty: whats your command to launch xine

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stuarta:

Aid1: yep, that's pretty much it.

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Aid1:

the reason im asking is that, im runningo ut of space

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Aid1:

and i need to get all these on to DVDs

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stuarta:

i know the feeling....

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Aid1:

there's no quick way to remove commercials from already exported shows is there?

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stuarta:

already exported? no, generally it's done before exporting...

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Aid1:

well how is that done? i can't find any google

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stuarta:

you need to setup your recording profiles to allow transcoding...

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Aid1:

how does transcoding remove commercials?

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stuarta:

if you have accurate commflagging that can be used to remove commercials

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stuarta:

otherwise it's a manual processs

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Aid1:

okay, before i turned on this machine to flag commercials.. when i played shows it just skipped. IS that the same thing?

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kormoc:

Aid1, you have to import them into the cutlist, but yes, that's a good start

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stuarta:

erm, it won't skip without commflagging information to tell it what to skip..

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Aid1:

is there an automatic way to import to cutlist?

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kormoc:

if you setup a user job, yes

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Aid1:

how about already recorded shows, is it too late for them?

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kormoc:

to do automatically, yes

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kormoc:

by hand, no

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Aid1:

ok

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Aid1:

i have no idea what commands to use, any help?

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Aid`:

do job queues only run when the tuner is not recording?

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kormoc:

no

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kormoc:

they run at the same time

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Aid`:

then the queues aren't working then

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Aid`:

all of them say 'Status: Queued'

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Hoxzer:

Guys

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Hoxzer:

:D how can I check which program is using my sound card

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kormoc:

Hoxzer, lsof

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lane:

Hi all. I was just looking through the IRC logs from last week, and it sounded like a 0.20 release might be coming soon. Just wondering if anyone can confirm or deny that. :)

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kormoc:

lane, not really, as that's prone to change even upto the day after it was released

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lane:

kormac: ?

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lane:

do you mean that nobody knows when it'll be released?

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kormoc:

that's right

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lane:

right.

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lane:

that would be normal then. I guess I was just trying to get a feel for whether a release might be close or some weeks or even months off

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Hoxzer:

kormoc: as I dont have time to learn that atm how can I just restart sound system or something to fix this mute thing

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GreyFoxx:

lane likely in a month or so

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lane:

GreyFoxx: Thanks. That's what I was looking for. :)

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kormoc:

Hoxzer, reboot

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kormoc:

simpliest way

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lane:

In that case I think I will go ahead and try out the current svn. I'm quite excited about MythArchive

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Hoxzer:

reboot :E eh

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Hoxzer:

I hate reboot

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Aid`:

how come my scan displacement doesn't work

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Hoxzer:

makes me feel like I'm offline for a sec or something

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Hoxzer:

just scary

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kormoc:

Aid`, cause you didn't sacrifice a goat and two calfs to the glibc god today?

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Hoxzer:

but man has to do what man has to do

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Aid`:

does the scan displacement mean just moving the image left and right????

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** Hoxzer is goind offline radio silence for 4mins **

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GreyFoxx:

I should mod my BitchXthemeto change the colour of the focussedchannel

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mikearthur:

any UK freeviewers here

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mikearthur:

whats on channel 45

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Hoxzer:

lol still no sound :D looks like somebody likes me or something and wants to give me something to think about

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Hoxzer:

eh

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Hoxzer:

I tried live tv and now sounds work again... I DONT GET it why do I always get problems that totally make no sense

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Hoxzer:

anyway -> movie

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Dagmar:

Because God has it in for you

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Dagmar:

When you've accepted that, you can prepare for it, and things get easier. ;)

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Dagmar:

You can start assembling your emergency plague kit. Yeah, it's a little weird to have an emergency plague kit in the car, but it beats the hell out of choking to death on locusts.

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Juski:

blech.. is this heatwavey ever gonna end? make it cold again like it always should be in britain

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kormoc:

global warming for the melt!

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Juski:

gonna try hosing down the wall outside the house if it's like this tomorrow. I need to sleep

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darkfrog:

Hey guys, I just got an ATI Remote Wonder II USB remote for my myth box and it worked right out of the box on boot. I've been reading online that it's supported in the kernel now, but I've not been able to find any directions on how to configure it with my myth box? Can someone tell me either how to modify my remotes configuration to match MythTV or modify my MythTV key assignments to match the RW?

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Juski:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATI_Remote_Wonder_II

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darkfrog:

Juski, yeah, I was reading on that, but I'd rather not mess with LIRC if I can help it. It would also take disabling kernel support.

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Fnc:

heh

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Juski:

if you don't mind borking your normal keyboard up, maybe xmodmap...

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Juski:

or... da da daaaaaaa .. use mythcontrols

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darkfrog:

Juski, I have no such utility. :o

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Juski:

so get it

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Juski:

either that or use mythweb to reconfigure mythtv's keymap

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darkfrog:

Juski, from here: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/128914 ?

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Juski:

mythcontrols.. an official plugin

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Juski:

it's released & everything

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darkfrog:

....how do I run it?

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Juski:

how do you run any other plugin?

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darkfrog:

it's in the frontend?

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Juski:

when you install it, yes

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darkfrog:

Juski, well, it's there, but it doesn't like a lot of my keys. :o

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darkfrog:

Looks like I might have to use LIRC after all

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darkfrog:

only problem is how do I disable support in the kernel so they don't conflict?

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Aid`:

how come all my Jobs in Job Queue say Queued? When do they actually start?

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Juski:

darkfrog: make a kernel with the driver as a module, then just don't load the module. or if it's already a module, unload it & never load it again

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Juski:

Aid`: they start when they're timetabled to start

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Aid`:

well the time has already passed

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Aid`:

so now what?

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xris:

Aid`: jobqueue keeps stuff that has already completed, too

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xris:

but you might have a failed transcode or something that is holding things up

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Juski:

did you set up a profile for the transcoder?

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Aid`:

Status: Queued

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Aid`:

no, but all the job is Flag Commercials

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darkfrog:

Juski, sorry for the stupid question, but how do I determine what module it is?

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Juski:

there is no such thing as a stupid question... ;-)

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darkfrog:

Juski, this is good news to me. :-p

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Juski:

darkfrog: ingenuity

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Aid`:

so if it says it is queued does that mean its going to happen later?

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darkfrog:

aha

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darkfrog:

found it: ati_remote2, but not sure how to make it not start. :o

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darkfrog:

Juski, dmesg | grep ATI

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darkfrog:

input: ATI Remote Wonder II as /class/input/input2

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darkfrog:

ati_remote2: ATI/Philips USB RF remote driver 0.1

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darkfrog:

doh...sorry for the multi-line

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Juski:

darkfrog: see...

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Juski:

modules usually have readable names ;-)

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Juski:

anyhow I'm gonna attempt to get some shuteye again..

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darkfrog:

doh

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darkfrog:

if I use LIRC I'll lose my mouse pointer abilities won't I? I can use this remote as a mouse as well currently...

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Juski:

lircmd

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darkfrog:

Juski, what about a Xmodmap file?

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darkfrog:

Juski, okay, so xev doesn't understand a lot of the keys on this remote so I guess I'm stuck with LIRC

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