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Friday, July 21st, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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gardengnome:

xjukinda

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gardengnome:

oops.

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Juski:

oo yeh the streaming stuff. nice when it worketh :)

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gardengnome:

Juski: kinda. more the mythbackend part, that is

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Beirdo:

fucking Liberty

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Beirdo:

dropped sync AND changed the stupid DHCP servers

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vinz4343:

ive got problems switching channels in mythtv 0.19, anyone can help me please?

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roger55:

vinz4343, be a little more specific and people might have a chance to help

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vinz4343:

ok. i use a pvr350, with ivtv 0.7. with ptune.pl i can change frequenzies fine, but in mythtv, only the starting channel (defined in card inputs) works

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Beirdo:

you have done a mythfilldatabase, I hope?

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vinz4343:

yep

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Beirdo:

and then you restarted the backend?

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vinz4343:

yeah

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Beirdo:

dunno then :)

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Beirdo:

those are the usual things that get missed

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vinz4343:

ive changed the channels via mythweb, since my location isnt covered at all

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Chicago:

winz4343: Did you try telnet on port 6546 and change the channels?

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vinz4343:

in the freqid field in the channel table the frequenzy number in hz?

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Dagmar:

vinz4343: What kernel are you using?

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vinz4343:

2.6.17

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vinz4343:

i can watch tv fine with mplayer /dev/video0 & ptune

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Chicago:

winz4343: I'm curious if your issue might also have to do with kernel support. Do you have I2C support and the I2C device interface enabled?

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Beirdo:

--- linode.beirdo.ca ping statistics ---

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Beirdo:

43 packets transmitted, 10 received, 76% packet loss, time 42002ms

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Beirdo:

I SO love my cable provider

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Beirdo:

kHz, I think

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vinz4343:

yes

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vinz4343:

217980 could be valid?

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mishehu:

hmm, I seem to be having trouble getting lirc to work in xine... trying to use my audigy remote with it.

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Aid1:

I have a weird question: I have a fta receiver and an IR Blaster. I have no IR receiver so I cannot program the IR Blaster using the remote. Is there anyway I can still do this without an IR Receiver???

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mishehu:

Aid1: search google or the remotes dir for a config fitting for it?

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Aid1:

not there

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mishehu:

try to see on google if something there is fitting for it

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Beirdo:

and yet another network change

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Beirdo:

!trout Liberty-Cablevision clue

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** MythLogBot slaps Liberty-Cablevision with a clue trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

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mishehu:

Beirdo: you use xine and lirc by any chance?

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Beirdo:

no and no

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Beirdo:

sorry

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Aid1:

anyone in here use FTA satellites and can get a guide into mythtv?

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Fnc:

aid1 i know some people use sat cards, in their myth boxes.. for FTA dont know anyone that uses a FTA receiver... would like to know if you find out anything on the Receiver

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Aid1:

yeah i just put up $110 for this receiver

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Aid1:

and if ican get it to work without buying a card, i'd be great.

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Aid1:

Fnc: do they have guides show up too?

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Fnc:

i know the ones that use the cards do.. but the receiver i dont know

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Beirdo:

31% packet loss to my default route

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Aid1:

where do they get the guides that go into mythtv?

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Fnc:

not sure think its eit guide data

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Juski:

it's eit data alright

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Juski:

though isn't FTA a euphemism for something naughty? didn't think there was any free-to-air satellite in the USA

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Beirdo:

there is

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Fnc:

there is

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Beirdo:

not much, but there is some

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Juski:

ah okees then :)

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Juski:

I googled it once & found some naughty stuff

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Beirdo:

heh

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Mattwj2005:

hey anyone know anything about XGP slots?

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Beirdo:

I want to kill my cable provider

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Fnc:

mabye you cant to eit stuff without a cArd

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Fnc:

seeing thats where the settings are

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Beirdo:

in half an hour, I've had 3 separate IP addresses, on 3 different netblocks

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Juski:

oh hell – you on about trying to get guide data out of the satellite box? no way!

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Juski:

maybe with a Dreambox & some coding work you could...

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Fnc:

aid1 is

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Juski:

to get EIT data you need the raw streams... and you can only get them with a dvb-s card

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Juski:

unless you do some magic with a Dreambox

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Mattwj2005:

what is the difference between AGP and XGP?

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Beirdo:

Mattwj2005, www.google.com

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Juski:

wtf IS XGP?

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Mattwj2005:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813138270

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Juski:

methinks they're talking out of their rectifier

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Beirdo:

that is a PCI-Express board

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Fnc:

More compatability on the XGP slot would be nice (XGP = AGP)

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Juski:

as I said...

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Beirdo:

who knows WTF XGP is

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Mattwj2005:

I am trying to find a good replacement board

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Mattwj2005:

It needs to have a AGP slot

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Beirdo:

then go with Nforce3 not Nforce4

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Cowman:

ok, sorry for the slightly OT question... but are there as of yet any HD capture cards for satelite TV?

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Juski:

Cowman: depends how the HD is broadcast

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vinz4343:

anyone can post me a sample record of mythconverg.channel please?

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Cowman:

directv... so basically I have component outs or DVI out

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Juski:

if they use DVB-S2 instead of DVB-S... linux users are screwed for now

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Fnc:

there is but its wierd bd like 350 bux or so

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Beirdo:

hahahaha. XGP is Biostar-specific AGP pseudo-compatible

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Mattwj2005:

ok

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Juski:

Cowman: you cannot capure component or DVI, not now, not ever (not likely)

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Cowman:

the MPAA is screwing everyone arn't they

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Beirdo:

my nforce3 boards are all AGP

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Juski:

Cowman: yeah. them and the fscking file sharing bastards

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Fnc:

http://www.genpix-electronics.com/index.php?a . . . &docId=7

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Fnc:

8psk

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Beirdo:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128286

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Beirdo:

got several of those

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Cowman:

ok well I have a myth system in my bedroom now on an oldish 4:3 non-hd tv. I like it. I want it in my living room..

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Juski:

that directtv board thingy looks like directtv won't like it much

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Cowman:

I tried setting up an X-box as a client for the backend in my bedroom way back. It worked but the picture was crap

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Juski:

Cowman: xebian works well here. demoing it this weekend at a show

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Cowman:

my living room tv is 16:9 and HD..

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Fnc:

cowman

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Fnc:

xbox what did you use

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Fnc:

?

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Cowman:

do you have any issues with fast forwarding though recordings? Mine would freeze or do it very slowly

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Juski:

most res you'll get out of an xbox is 720p

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Cowman:

IIRC, just xebian and myth

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Juski:

Cowman: no issues like that. likely to be a time problem (no ntp, wrong timezone etc)

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Cowman:

hmm, maybe I'll play with it and see about that

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Cowman:

would the time being different on the backend matter with a recording though?

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Cowman:

I mean it's just basicaly streaming a video file over the network right

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Juski:

oh hell yeah it matters alright

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Juski:

cos the timestamps in the recordedmarkup table are absolute, not relative

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Juski:

at least AFAIK they're absolute. I mean if they were relative why would it matter what time it is on the frontend?

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Cowman:

so.. if my client and server are 2 minutes apart and I'm watching something I recorded 3 days ago that would be problematic

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Juski:

could be

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Cowman:

I thought time would only matter for recording on the backend

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Cowman:

I do sync to an ntp server on that system or else the damned clock drifts about 1 minute per day

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Juski:

mounting the recordings dir with nfs can help sometimes

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gardengnome:

maybe the timestamps in the DB are relative and the BE makes them absolute *ponder*

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gardengnome:

Cowman: i think ntpd can correct clock drift

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Cowman:

that would be worth a try, although I'm almost afraid to mess with it now that it's working flawlessly

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Juski:

put it this way.. a frontend of mine once had the wrong TZ... it wouldn't seek thru a recording at all

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Cowman:

hmm

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Juski:

fixed the timezone, and voila!

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Cowman:

maybe I'll dust off the xbox and try again then

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gardengnome:

Juski: i think i have that problem on the s100. which makes me wonder why the timezone isn't set up properly on a german distro. well, i'll have to look into it.

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Juski:

gardengnome: once I copied my GB tz file over, I could seek again

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Juski:

holy crap is that the time? showertime!

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Juski:

see yous tomorrow.. and you'll have a whole weekend without me :-)

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gardengnome:

that's gonna be awesome

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** gardengnome hides **

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CyberKnet:

*yawn*

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CyberKnet:

I'm beginning to like the folks at the hom-brewer store

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Plex:

question for the US users out there: what is the preferred commercial detection method?

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hoochie:

hello all

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hoochie:

I'm built mythtv 0.19 from source. but silly me! I didn't add in support for dvb. Anyway I was looking through the wiki and I can't seem to find any info on settings.pro examples.. I've seen a few conflicting ways of adding functions to mythtv from adding to settings.pro to just using prefix's in configure....

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hoochie:

can someone point me on the right path.

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Plex:

not many around right now

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Whyvas:

anyone know how to clear out the program guide data?

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GreyFoxx:

hoochie: You don't needto edit settings.pro

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GreyFoxx:

you can do everything from ./configure flags

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GreyFoxx:

editting settings.pro is from long ago

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GreyFoxx:

Whyvas: log into the database and do a "delete from program;"

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GreyFoxx:

that will remove everything from the program table;

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hoochie:

GreyFoxx, OK thnaks

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hoochie:

err, thanks

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hoochie:

GreyFoxx, is there a page that goes over some of the configure options?

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GreyFoxx:

not that I've every seen. Mightbe something on the wiki

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GreyFoxx:

otherwise just a standard ./configure --help

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GreyFoxx:

to list the options and any info that is there

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hoochie:

ok

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hoochie:

with dvb, support can i use the kernel dvb drivers i.e /usr/src/linux or do i need to grab the latest from linuxtv ?

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GreyFoxx:

Most people just use what's in the kernel

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hoochie:

thanks for the help :)

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hoochie:

btw, you wouldn't happen to know of anyone who has successfully got mythtv running over directfb would you?

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GreyFoxx:

Nope

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GreyFoxx:

Seen lotsof people complain about being unable to do it :)

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hoochie:

i noticed someone wrote a guide for it on gentoo, thought maybe it was becomming more stable

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hoochie:

I tried and gave up a in 2003 to get it working...

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hoochie:

did get sound on the second head though :)

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GreyFoxx:

nope. In fact I'd be very supprised if anyone could get latest SVN working under it

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GreyFoxx:

noone maintains the support for it

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Whyvas:

GreyFoxx, thanks

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Whyvas:

GreyFoxx, what's your city set to for mythweather?

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Aid`:

Fnc: Im trying to figure out online places I can get FTA guides

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Whyvas:

mine always screws up when i install and i have to set it manually in the database

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Whyvas:

it's a weird code

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GreyFoxx:

Whyvas: ummm hold on a sec

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GreyFoxx:

Remeber the setting name ?

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GreyFoxx:

ok

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GreyFoxx:

locale

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GreyFoxx:

INSERT INTO settings VALUES ('locale','CAXX0183','woop');

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GreyFoxx:

So CAXX0183

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Cowman:

I'm having issues getting my client on a seperate machine to connect to my backend server. I followed the instructions on the mythtv docs for modifying access but it's still not working.

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Cowman:

I can connect from the localhost... so it must still not be allowing outside access for some reason

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hoochie:

mmm... well I might give it another go then with 0.19*

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GreyFoxx:

well,what is the error you get ?

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hoochie:

If interested I'll let you guys know how it works( or doesn't) :)

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GreyFoxx:

If it's a connection permissions issue it wil be clear

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Cowman:

ERROR 1045: Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'192.168.1.20' (using password: YES)

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GreyFoxx:

then, yes it's a sql users access problem

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Cowman:

thought so

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GreyFoxx:

after you did the grant to give access from that IP did you do a "flush privileges;" ?

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Cowman:

yes

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Cowman:

here's literaly what I put in

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Cowman:

grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"%" identified by "mythtv";

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Cowman:

flush privileges;

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GreyFoxx:

why would you give accessfrom any IP ?:)

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GreyFoxx:

And that problem is something I see happen a lot when people try

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GreyFoxx:

try making it 192.168.1.%

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GreyFoxx:

or the exact IP

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GreyFoxx:

and I'd get rid of the wildcard entry

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Cowman:

ok.. how do you remove that stuff? I'm just going from the myth docs

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Whyvas:

thanks again GreyFoxx !

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Cowman:

cause it still does not work with 192.168.1.%

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GreyFoxx:

Cowman: do the mythtv.org docs actually show mythtv@"%" ?

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Cowman:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html

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GreyFoxx:

Cowman: It islikely hitting that other entry first and stopping there

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GreyFoxx:

ok

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Cowman:

yes

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** GreyFoxx might update that **

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Cowman:

how do I delete that entry though?

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GreyFoxx:

use mysql;

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GreyFoxx:

delete from user where Host =

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GreyFoxx:

oops

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GreyFoxx:

delete from user where Host = "%";

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GreyFoxx:

then flush privs again;

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Cowman:

ERROR 1046 (3D000): No database selected

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Cowman:

ok hang on..

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Cowman:

ERROR 1146 (42S02): Table 'mythconverg.user' doesn't exist

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Cowman:

not working..

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** GreyFoxx quotes himself **

[02:22:49]

GreyFoxx:

<GreyFoxx> use mysql;

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GreyFoxx:

:)

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Cowman:

oh ok

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GreyFoxx:

do that first :)

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Cowman:

allright that's better, got confused

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

no worries

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Cowman:

same problem

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Cowman:

I shouldn't have to restart the mysql server or anything should i

[02:29:34]

Cowman:

would the client and server being different versions cause this?

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GreyFoxx:

nope, versions shouldn't matter in this case

[02:31:14]

GreyFoxx:

and flush privs is all you gotta do

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Cowman:

is there something I can type to see a list of what hosts have access?

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GreyFoxx:

From the client machine

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GreyFoxx:

type this

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GreyFoxx:

mysql -h SQLSERVERHOST -umythtv -pmythtv mythconverg

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GreyFoxx:

replaceing SQLSERVERHOST withthe right IP

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Cowman:

heh, got a prompt

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GreyFoxx:

so you have myth configured to send a password other than "mythtv" or with a wrong username :)

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GreyFoxx:

look for a mysql.txt file. Maybe in ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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Cowman:

the password isn't mythtv

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GreyFoxx:

Uhhh yeah it is

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GreyFoxx:

according to the line you just used in the grant

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Cowman:

oh so I set a new one then, I thought that was a username

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Cowman:

the password the client on the localhost uses to connect is different

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GreyFoxx:

nope "identified by xxxxx": is the password forthe user when connecting from that host

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Cowman:

ok, well that was a source of confusion

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GreyFoxx:

and just now using the password mythtv worked for you

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Cowman:

I was trying to use the other password lol

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Cowman:

that worked btw thanks

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ender224455:

what is a good livecd to use to test my ensoniq 1373 soundcard?

[03:12:34]

DrMitch:

they all are

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DrMitch:

try knoppix

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ender224455:

i just tried using a Ubuntu LiveCD and it froze when it said "Press enter to boot with defaults"

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ender224455:

the disk started OK but it froze right there 3 times in a row

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DrMitch:

maybe it's a scratched cd

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ender224455:

its clean but I'm burning a new one anyway

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ender224455:

thanks though

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DrMitch:

ubuntu sucks

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joffray:

I like it

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DrMitch:

you should try xubuntu

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mkapron:

hey

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mkapron:

I need some help. for some reason i cant be on skype and watch tv on mythtv at the same time and I have SoundBlaster Audigy SE 7.1 soundcard and my friend with an onboard realtek ac97 card can do that but I have a better card and cant. Any ideas? Do I need to update drivers?

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mkapron:

yt?

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Agrajag-:

make sure skype and mythfrontend are both using alsa and that you have dmix happening

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mkapron:

i got skype running alsa

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mkapron:

how do i get mythfrontend using it?

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Agrajag-:

read the docs

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mkapron:

what docs?

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DrMitch:

mkapron – http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_ALSA_for_MythTV

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mkapron:

didnt work

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mkapron:

gave me errors

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mkapron:

unable to find contrl pcm

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mkapron:

*control

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skorp3145:

anyone using mythtv with ubuntu and jfs?

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skorp3145:

anyone using jfs on their mythtv box, in general?

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skorp3145:

mkapron are you using the same box for frontend and backend?

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hoochie:

hello all

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DrMitch:

yo

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hoochie:

I'm trying to setup mythtv 0.19, I've compiled, mythtv-setup runs and I continue to setup my card etc. After completion, I run mythbackend & I get this error

[04:10:18]

hoochie:

Database Schema upgrade FAILED, unlocking.

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DrMitch:

what version of mysql are you using?

[04:11:45]

hoochie:

Here is the info in full, http://pastebin.ca/94307

[04:12:26]

hoochie:

5.0.22

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DrMitch:

i think that might be the reason

[04:13:03]

hoochie:

what version should I be using?

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DrMitch:

4.x

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hoochie:

oh

[04:14:43]

hoochie:

ok Ill give it a try

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hoochie:

thanks

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xris:

hoochie: .19.0 has issues with mysql 5.x.. pretty sure the fixes branch in svn works, though.

[04:21:54]

hoochie:

I'm sure this has been asked, but I thought I would ask anyway, are there any cards suggested for TV output?

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xris:

nvidia 5200 or 6200

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hoochie:

ones which work with HD etc

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xris:

oh, then any nvidia...

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xris:

since you'll just be using the dvi or vga port

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hoochie:

I thought PVR 350 was the choice to go?

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xris:

for one, it doesn't do hd.

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xris:

for two, nvidia's output is better, and pvr-150 + nvidia 5200 costs less than a 350. and the 350 isn't made anymore.

[04:23:24]

hoochie:

ok

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xris:

what kind of hd are you planning to record?

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hoochie:

1080* i believe

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xris:

from where, though?

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xris:

cable or ota?

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hoochie:

FTA

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hoochie:

dvb-t

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xris:

oh, then you'd need a dvb card instead of a pvr-x50, anyway

[04:25:19]

hoochie:

I've got the dvb card

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hoochie:

I'm interested in the best card* for mythtv to output quality wise to my tv

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xris:

then any nvidia should do well for you.. just make sure you have a fast (>2ghz) processor.

[04:25:52]

xris:

nvidia's drivers are best in linux

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hoochie:

I thought nvidia's DAC was rather shitty?

[04:27:34]

xris:

no.. and since when is HD analog?

[04:27:53]

xris:

(ok, I know that it can be, but still...)

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hoochie:

Since I'm outputing it through a s-vid connector to my tv.

[04:29:06]

xris:

then it's not HD

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xris:

and nvidia is still your best option

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hoochie:

ok

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xris:

for SD like that, at least a 5200. 6200 if you can find one within a few $$ that has good output options.

[04:35:55]

hoochie:

is 6200 much different to 6600?

[04:37:00]

joffray:

I got a cheapo 6200 and I love it

[04:38:10]

joffray:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130008

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hoochie:

also does 6200TC matter?

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joffray:

TC?

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joffray:

what does TC stand for

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hoochie:

no idea

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joffray:

then no

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joffray:

:)

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joffray:

you're outputting 1080i to s-video

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joffray:

so I really wouldn't sweat it, just get something like a 6200 that supports xvmc

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hoochie:

ok thanks

[04:42:03]

xris:

TC refers to something about the RAM, I think

[04:42:21]

xris:

bug kormoc if he's in tomorrow (hard to say if either of us will be online since our company is in the middle of movine)

[04:43:17]

joffray:

xris: any update on the manual record expire time issue?

[04:45:04]

xris:

brain's so dead I don't even know what you're talking about

[04:45:30]

joffray:

you press the record button while a tv show is going

[04:45:33]

joffray:

and forget to turn it off

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joffray:

you leave the house

[04:45:41]

joffray:

come back 2 days later

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xris:

oh. no clue. I never use that

[04:45:49]

joffray:

and everything on your mythbox is deleted

[04:46:15]

hoochie:

does anyone know how well the DViCO FusionHDTV DVB-T Dual Digital works ?

[04:46:37]

joffray:

I bet someone does, but I don't. :)

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xris:

joffray: I know that Isaac was thinking about a lot of that kind of thing.. only issue SHOULD be if you end up stuck on an 8-hour long recording or something. otherwise only the livtv would be autoexpired for other livetv stuff.

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joffray:

pardon my ignorance as to some of the innerworkings, but it seems that it should be trivial to figure out whether the current program is scheduled or not

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xris:

joffray: no clue. I don't touch any of that stuff. just mythweb and nuvexport.

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xris:

if there's not a ticket in for it, it won't get fixed, though

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joffray:

ahh

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joffray:

meh, not an important issue for me

[04:49:57]

joffray:

so when is mythweb gonna work again?

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xris:

it hasn't stopped

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joffray:

oh, I'm thinking of mythstreamtv

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joffray:

which is a good project in theory

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xris:

I guess. I'm building some of that kind of thing into mythweb itself

[04:51:22]

xris:

likely not for .20, though, which is coming out in a month or so.

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joffray:

a month, wow, so close!

[04:51:49]

joffray:

that wasn't sarcasm by the way

[04:52:16]

xris:

isaac wanted to skip the whole .19.1 thing and go straight to .20

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joffray:

quick question about mythweb in 0.20, one thing I've noticed is that if you query the recordings page and the file for a recording doesn't exist, or is 0 bytes, the page takes forever to load

[04:56:17]

joffray:

so I guess my question is.... is this going to be fixed?

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xris:

no clue. it's the backend doing that

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mchou:

xris: damn, isacc must have a lot of confidence w/ interns' code :)

[05:00:26]

mchou:

isaac*

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xris:

mchou: why is that?

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mchou:

xris: cause isn't that in .20?

[05:01:44]

xris:

no

[05:01:58]

mchou:

xris: you sure?

[05:02:03]

xris:

yes

[05:04:32]

mchou:

damn, I won a t-shirt.....

[05:04:57]

mchou:

why can't I win something cool?

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xris:

heh

[05:05:29]

mchou:

and why do t-shirts always hafta be in black???

[05:05:49]

mchou:

damn team discovery

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FunnyLookinHat:

Ok... so I followed the doc exactly for compiling myth and it compiles without errors but even after i run su / make install it's not finding the libs

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FunnyLookinHat:

I checked ./configure --help and didn't see anything that would really apply

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FunnyLookinHat:

oooh, add something liek this? -prefix=/usr/local/mythtv-0.19

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FunnyLookinHat:

i hopez

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Dagmar:

*whew*

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Dagmar:

For the record...

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Dagmar:

A 27" Philips TV *will* fit in a BMW 325i 2-door, IF and ONLY IF you don't mind hanging out the driver's side window as you drive.

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Dagmar:

FunnyLookinHat: There's a reason for that

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Dagmar:

The system linker cache only looks in a specific set of directories for the libraries.

[05:18:31]

FunnyLookinHat:

hahaha Dagmar

[05:18:49]

Dagmar:

IF you had installed with --prefix=/usr you wouldn't have this problem, but it's easily fixable.

[05:19:00]

FunnyLookinHat:

well, it appeared after I did a sudo updatedb / locate that it wasn't even copying the libs anywhere

[05:19:13]

Dagmar:

Allow me to direct your attention to /etc/ld.so.conf (by which I mean type `cat /etc/ld.so.conf`)

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FunnyLookinHat:

I'm fixing it now : )

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Dagmar:

It is

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Dagmar:

updatedb/locatedb doesn't look there

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FunnyLookinHat:

oooh

[05:19:46]

FunnyLookinHat:

that's weird it hsould

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FunnyLookinHat:

imnsho

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Dagmar:

That file contains a list of the directories that the linker is supposed to search for shared libraries.

[05:20:16]

Dagmar:

The linker will *always* search both /lib and /usr/lib, no matter what, and it will search them *first*

[05:20:32]

Dagmar:

What you need to do is add /usr/local/mythtv-0.19/lib to that file, and then run `ldconfig`

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joffray:

unless you're running ubuntu (or debian in general)

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Dagmar:

Ldconfig makes the system go look at all those directories again and store the information about them in /etc/ld.so.cache

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joffray:

hrm

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joffray:

or it doesn't look in /usr/local/lib

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Dagmar:

Once you've run ldconfig you'll be good to go.

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FunnyLookinHat:

I'm running ubuntu ; )

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Dagmar:

It won't look in /usr/local/lib either unless it's been specified in /etc/ld.so.conf, or unless someone has done something very ill-advised to the linker's source code

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Dagmar:

If he ran configure with --prefix=/usr/local/mythtv-0.19, then "/usr/local/mythtv-0.19" was used as the $prefix variable during the build. The path fragments of "/bin", "/lib", "/shared" and so forth are appended to it

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Dagmar:

Getting that TV home was a bloody nightmare

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joffray:

I did something even less advisable the first time I set it up

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Dagmar:

But I'm going to be having me a gen-u-ine cin-e-matical experience now

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joffray:

I installed it once with --prefix=/usr

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joffray:

then installed it regularly

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Dagmar:

OUch

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Dagmar:

Yeah, that breaks badly.

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joffray:

it actually worked for a long time

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Dagmar:

...because the linker will look in /lib and /usr/lib first, no matter what you do.

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joffray:

until I couldn't figure out why my updates weren't working

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Dagmar:

This is not a bug, this is by design and for a reason that would require a really lengthy explanation.

[05:24:10]

Dagmar:

Basically, /usr/local is damn near deprecated for most things, compared to what it was originally used for

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Dagmar:

Many years ago (or a few, depending on how you look at it) /lib and /usr/lib would be searched _last_ so that you could kind of override libraries and things

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Dagmar:

Then people wised up and decided that if the system was installed with something, it's just inviting problems to let random idiots replace them without understanding possible conflicts. ;)

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Dagmar:

...cause sure enough, new things would be looking in /usr/local/etc (which actually makes little sense by the normal filesystem conventions) for it's configuration files, and the inexperienced would still be editing files in /etc and wondering why nothing changed

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Dagmar:

...or worse yet, never realizing that what they just changed wasn't working

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Dagmar:

The absolute "FTW!" way to install packages is to make an actual RPM or deb or tgz package of them and install them into /usr

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Dagmar:

*Not* using a package manager to install things results in "filesystem cruft" accumulating over time

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Dagmar:

...and one day you look and see that /usr is all filled up, and you have forty-seven different copies of libgsf.so sitting around

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Dagmar:

WOE be unto he who doth reject the path of the Holy Package Management System, for his system will be beset by all manner of aberrant behaviours and UNCLEAN LINKS.

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Dagmar:

It's only a pain in the ass to make a proper package of something the first time around

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FunnyLookinHat:

Dagmar, isn't it convenient that ubuntu doesn't have a /etc/ld.so.conf

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Dagmar:

Just make one

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Dagmar:

I can assure you that glibc will read it just fine.

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Dagmar:

It's not normally needed if all your libs are in /lib and /usr/lib

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Dagmar:

...and it must be writeable ONLY by root.

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FunnyLookinHat:

Dagmar, ok awesome, that works

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FunnyLookinHat:

sweet thanks man

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Dagmar:

There are some really ugly things that can be done if it's writable by anyone else.

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Dagmar:

...so glibc will ignore it if it's not just root's dealie, for your own protection

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Dagmar:

glibc used to be very innocent and trusting, and very exploitable.

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Dagmar:

*snif* I kinda miss those days.

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tjcarter:

okay, framegrabbers suck

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tjcarter:

but it's what I have

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tjcarter:

(for now...)

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tjcarter:

I have the audio patch cable thing going, but the volume on recorded shows is very low

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tjcarter:

Line-in, PCM, and Master are all set to 100% now, but I think Myth changes them

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tjcarter:

what do I do to fix this? =)

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Dagmar:

It has it's own volume level that it sets on the tuner.

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Dagmar:

*usually* it's set to 80% by default but maybe yours isn't.

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tjcarter:

not using tvaudio or anything

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tjcarter:

Sabrent SBT-TVFM

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** tjcarter would like next Knoppmyth to support this card since Newegg sells it so cheap, but doesn't know enough LIRC to provide that kind of information **

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Dagmar:

How cheap could you possibly have gotten it?

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tjcarter:

it would probably require more handholding than anyone is realistically willing to provide

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tjcarter:

It's like $25 or so

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Dagmar:

Pfft.

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Dagmar:

Spend some money

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tjcarter:

Version without FM is less

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Dagmar:

That can't be doing accelerated encoding for that price

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tjcarter:

framegrabber

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Dagmar:

Yuck.

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tjcarter:

it was purchased because I wanted something for connecting PS2

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tjcarter:

figured I could use it until I could afford PVR-500 or so (and PVR-500 is stable)

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Dagmar:

You might want to see if you can chump someone locally into buying to from you so they can just watch TV on it and getcha a nice PVR-150

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tjcarter:

seems the latter condition is resolved

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Dagmar:

The PVR-500 is stable

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Dagmar:

The worst problems I have with mine are when I get carried away and choke the IDE bus to death

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tjcarter:

But I really would prefer the old PVR-250 remote *whine*

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tjcarter:

time to go SATA?

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Dagmar:

tjcarter: Actually, just time for me to move the ringbuffer back to the other bus.

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Dagmar:

SATA is an option for my board tho

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Dagmar:

I'm thinkign about doing that and just keeping the IDE 250Gb for storage of videos and music (and maybe transcoded videos)

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** tjcarter has also considered the possibility of taking most of Knoppmyth's setup and slapping it onto an Ubuntu live CD **

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Dagmar:

ASRock 939dual-SATA2

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tjcarter:

Ubuntu has a small but nice advantage over Knoppix

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Dagmar:

...which, contrary to popular belief (by fools) does not suck.

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Dagmar:

ASUS designed it. ECS just assembles what they tell them to.

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tjcarter:

If you add Debian repositories to Knoppmyth, currently, you'd better not let it update

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Dagmar:

Yep.

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Dagmar:

I noticed that

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Dagmar:

I did a KnoppMyth install and then ran apt-get and watched it completely bugger the machine back to "plain debian" status

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tjcarter:

Irreparable damage to Knoppmyth

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Dagmar:

BTW you really want http://www.google.com/search?q=urc+6131

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tjcarter:

yeah, it was really sad just to get vim ;)

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Dagmar:

Dirt cheap, very light, many many buttons.

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** tjcarter is a big fan of the Sony TiVo (non-peanut) remote **

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Dagmar:

This has thumbs-up/down buttons

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tjcarter:

that's fine, MythTV currently tells you where to shove your thumbs ;)

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Dagmar:

I'm thinking about hacking the hell out of MythAudio for that reason

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tjcarter:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.asp?I . . . r+%2D+Retail

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tjcarter:

that remote

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Dagmar:

...or maybe just taking the simpler route and writing a #@!$@$ CGI to make playlists.

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tjcarter:

very similar to the Sony TiVo remote

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tjcarter:

I like the layout much better than the new one they're using

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Dagmar:

If Nintendo weren't stingy little bitches, I'd be using my DS to control everything already.

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tjcarter:

heh

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Dagmar:

I still can't fathom why they'd make us wait until December for the browser cartridge.

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tjcarter:

the other problem is that my myth box is almost identical to this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16856110041

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Dagmar:

It's not like it takes six months to do a translation to English from Kanji

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tjcarter:

I got like 1 PCI slot.

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tjcarter:

it currently has this cheapo deluxe card

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tjcarter:

there is plan to upgrade the box, but it's long term

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tjcarter:

short term is PVR-500. Medium term is a new enclosure and mobo for the Sempron 2200+

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Dagmar:

I got tired of playing Tetris with components.

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Dagmar:

I don't buy anything smaller than a mid-tower anymore.

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tjcarter:

tetris is a good way to describe this thing

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tjcarter:

well, that and angry food processor until I replaced the fan

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Dagmar:

Yeah I worked for a place that built custom computers for people in mini-tower cases for several years.

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Dagmar:

Never a-freaking-gain.

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tjcarter:

well, I am thinking about a Sempron board, which should be CHEEP given the old socket

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Dagmar:

The problem there is that they kinda stop selling them below a certain price.

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tjcarter:

anything will do--I'll transplant the 256MB and existing CPU over

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tjcarter:

want SATA

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tjcarter:

getting a good case for it won't be too hard--it's a Sempron!

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Dagmar:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813157081 <-- works good

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tjcarter:

correction, getting a case I can afford that will function isn't hard. Getting one I'm going to be happy with, OTOH..

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Dagmar:

In theory I'll be able to put an AM2 on it in another year with a $30 daughter card

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tjcarter:

Oh I can't use that

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tjcarter:

I need old socket

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Dagmar:

939 athlon 64's are cheap enough IMHO

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tjcarter:

I'm on $600/month

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Dagmar:

Ouch

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tjcarter:

hence the framegrabber =)

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Dagmar:

Mow lawns, deliver pizzas, stuff envelopes, give plasma

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tjcarter:

I have few obligations right now for most of that

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drear:

ok. the k6-w was way too slow. what would you recommend as a "cheap-as-possible-mythtv-dvb(t|c)-box"?

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Dagmar:

Get a tan and get a job under the name of Jorge Menendez so they'll pay you cash and not ask too many questions.

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drear:

k6-w

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drear:

k6–2 even

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tjcarter:

Dagmar: I ... don't tan.

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Dagmar:

It's not going to happen with a CPU that slow

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Dagmar:

THat poor little CPU will be drinking from the firehose

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drear:

Dagmar, ya, i tossed that already.

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tjcarter:

wow: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813123250

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tjcarter:

that may do it

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Dagmar:

Aim for something like an Athlon Pro1800+

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Dagmar:

I was hoping EpoX would compete harder with Soyo

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tjcarter:

I have a Sempron 2200+ sitting here

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Dagmar:

Soyo has some really freakish mods available

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Dagmar:

Like, speaking BIOS.

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drear:

does x86_64 give any real boosts?

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Dagmar:

The last one I put together, the guy wanted it left speaking in Japanese

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Dagmar:

...which I kind of agreed with. It sounded cool. ;)

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Dagmar:

drear: At the moment, no, but that's changing fast enough as you can get them for about the same price (if not a little less) than a high end 32-bit chip

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tjcarter:

What's Japanese for "Hard drive is spinning backwards"?

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Dagmar:

s/as/and/;

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Dagmar:

Onimashta desu kai

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Dagmar:

jk

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drear:

Dagmar, running only x86_64 as mainstream. surely e.g. mysql performs better with 64.

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Dagmar:

drear: It does a teeny bit

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tjcarter:

drear: codecs are an issue

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Dagmar:

Depends on how hard you're pushing the db tho

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Dagmar:

You can run the whole thing in 32-bit mode, no problem with drivers there.

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Dagmar:

The fact that a 939-pin 64 can use dual-channel configuration RAM gives it a potent edge tho

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tjcarter:

Anyway, I like Knoppix, but I think Ubuntu these days has out-Knoppix'd Knoppix in that you can actually get updates once you install the system

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tjcarter:

Now, Ubuntu updates like Gnome and that's in on their own

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Dagmar:

You're supposed to update Knoppix by downloading a new CD I think

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tjcarter:

but Ubuntu with a single additional repository could do the job

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tjcarter:

KnoppMyth lacks vim though!

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drear:

tjcarter, haven't encountered any codecs that i would need that do not run in amd64

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** tjcarter needs vim! **

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tjcarter:

heh

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Dagmar:

So install the vim package

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Dagmar:

The libs are compatible enough

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tjcarter:

that's what killed it

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tjcarter:

I should have gotten source

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Dagmar:

Okay then install some dev packages and build it yourself.

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Dagmar:

I keep ocming up with fruity ways to break the syntax highlighter in vim

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tjcarter:

I think KnoppMyth provides most of what's needed

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tjcarter:

heh, it's doable if you try not very hard.

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Dagmar:

Every time it makes me freak out thinking I have an unclosed quote somewhere

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Dagmar:

It can really get ill with some of my gratuitous uses of regexps

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tjcarter:

Anyway, yesterday Newegg would have let me get a 320GB SATA drive, a new mobo, and a case to put it in that would work for $200.

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tjcarter:

Today it's not quite that good a deal because they're out of those 320 drives.

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Dagmar:

You must be patient like a cat at a mousehole with them

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Dagmar:

...and maybe stalk pricewatch.com a little bit

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tjcarter:

it helps if you're ready to throw down the cash the moment you see what you want

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Dagmar:

Yeah, I have a three-day rule I follow for buying stuff online.

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** tjcarter wonders if he could get someone to sell him the old PVR-250 remote **

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Dagmar:

If I still want it after three days, then I probably do need it

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Dagmar:

Before I started that up, I got to know the UPS man way too well.

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Dagmar:

He was at my doorstep 3 times a week minimum

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tjcarter:

lol

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tjcarter:

that's a good way to become poor.

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Dagmar:

Not really. You can buy a lot of stuff online instead of going out

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Dagmar:

Some of it I would fiddle with for a bit and then go sell it on ebay

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tjcarter:

anyway

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Dagmar:

LIke, I just got this 27" TV for $125.

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Dagmar:

...so tomorrow I'm dumping my 19" emerson on a site for $50

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tjcarter:

Newegg doesn't seem to offer barebones combos like they used to anymore

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Dagmar:

I could probably move it for $75–80, but I just want to be rid of it

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Dagmar:

...and I only paid $100 for it in the first place

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Dagmar:

If you get stuff cheap enough you can usually even get your money back through eBay

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Dagmar:

Stuff that's very close to new will usually pull in within 10% of list price

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Dagmar:

Attach a no-nonsense review to it, and it'll get closer than that if you can actually address the questions someone looking at it in a store might have had about it

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tjcarter:

ahh, I wish the PVR-500 were low-profile ;)

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tjcarter:

I'd almost consider this thing: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16856110037

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tjcarter:

almost--SIS.

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tjcarter:

Yeah, really I probably want to stick with some older tech--I can't afford to basically buy a new box

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tjcarter:

If I stick with Sempron stuff, I can keep my (AGP and mostly crappy, but usable for Myth certainly) video card, RAM, and CPU

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tjcarter:

Sempron 2200+ is plenty of bang if you have hardware encoders

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tjcarter:

Dagmar: it's honestly only taken one or two PCs in "good" cases to make me appreciate the design of some of Apple's machines.

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tjcarter:

speaking of tetris

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tjcarter:

The Apple cheesegrater would be wonderful in a Core 2 Duo setup.

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tjcarter:

fit, airflow, cable routing...

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tjcarter:

wahhh, the PVR-500 with the remote is out of stock!

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Juski:

morning all

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joffray:

bedtime

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tjcarter:

definite bedtime

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Hoxzer_:

seems like I'm going to be duble uncle

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** LLyric swears and kicks linux in the nuts **

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LLyric:

I've got so many things that I need to get working, that just aren't: nvidia HD out, lirc, alsa saving of digital-out setting.

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Juski:

LLyric: can you not just use a setmixer command in your .xinitrc or summat?

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LLyric:

Maybe... but shouldn't alsactl just save it properly?

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Juski:

hmm dunno much about alsa. minimyth takes care of that kind of stuff for me

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Juski:

how the hell can one TV in a room where people smoke too many cigs a day get so dirty? :-/

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Juski:

this is gonna be _so_ good. we'll have the very latest in 4:3 display tech on our stand

[09:24:00]

xbmodder_newlapp:

lol

[09:24:08]

xbmodder_newlapp:

where?

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xbmodder_newlapp:

linuxworld?

[09:24:24]

Juski:

lugradiolive2006

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Juski:

damned if I'm taking my nice panasonic 32" set over there though ;)

[09:25:30]

Juski:

hell yeah.. if anyone wants to lend us a nice big LCD or plasma for the weekend...

[09:25:52]

Juski:

I promise I'll let you have it back at the end.. honest

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Juski:

bugger. now I've run out of foam cleaner

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Juski:

lol

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Juski:

grr. whoever thought it'd be a good idea to put louvres on the casing on the xbox needs to be executed

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** Juski imports some CDs **

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** der_oschni is very hot **

[10:38:55]

der_oschni:

me ist very hot

[10:39:33]

gardengnome:

me too

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Juski:

il est trés chaud, n'est pas?

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der_oschni:

it is very hot, isnt it? [/translate]

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** gardengnome wonder if you can really translate the isn't it thing literally **

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Juski:

sometimes you can

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gardengnome:

ah, ok.

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gardengnome:

morning ;)

[10:41:09]

Juski:

it is indeed!

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gardengnome:

heh

[10:42:08]

Juski:

given up on cleaning this k/b.. gonna go & buy a new one later

[10:42:14]

Juski:

and another t-shirt

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Juski:

think I might pay a visit to bash.org for subject material :)

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Juski:

or something along the lines of.. "this t-shirt may contain swearing"

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gardengnome:

heh

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Juski:

fcuktarded!

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Juski:

think that one will go down well

[10:46:41]

Juski:

I never told you a tshirt related incident I had the other weekend did I?

[10:47:02]

Juski:

I have one with a big green cross on the front with the text "paraletic" underneath it

[10:47:26]

Juski:

someone came running up to me in a supermarket asking me to go look at someone who'd collapsed!

[10:47:55]

Juski:

easy mistake to make if you can't read too well I suppose

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gardengnome:

what's paraletic mean? too hot to search for my dictionary right now

[10:48:54]

Juski:

erm.. basically more than just drunk

[10:49:01]

gardengnome:

ah, nice

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Juski:

paramedic != paraletic ;-)

[10:50:21]

Juski:

dunno what a paramedic carrying a shopping basket was gonna be able to do anway, but that's beside the point

[10:51:45]

Juski:

now I remember why I gave up ripping cds on this old box

[10:53:05]

SteveDaniels:

Quick question... What's the best way, if any, to get Sky HD into myth?

[10:53:18]

Juski:

give up!

[10:53:24]

Juski:

you don't. not ever

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SteveDaniels:

So there's currently no way to get Sky HD into myth?

[10:53:56]

Juski:

if you're not happy with $ky HD'$ crappy PVR, erm.. you're sort of stuck

[10:54:19]

SteveDaniels:

Thought as much. Damn

[10:54:22]

Juski:

there is currently no way to get $ky HD into myth or any other PVR platform. And there's unlikely to ever be

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Juski:

I'm sure there are DVI/component capture devices somewhere, possibly ones which compress on the fly too, but they'll be ££££££££

[10:55:30]

Juski:

and there's likely to be no linux drivers for them

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SteveDaniels:

:-(

[10:56:54]

SteveDaniels:

So Freeview is the only HD option availible (in the near future)?

[10:56:56]

Juski:

You _could_ capture svideo & audio from the box but erm.. I think we all know that wouldn't be acceptable ;-)

[10:57:22]

Juski:

Freeview for HD isn't likely to be an option until at least 2012, and even then only if the govt. provide airspace for new muxes

[10:58:39]

Juski:

FTA satellite HD might happen on a wide scale before then, but the likelihood is that they'll use DVB-S2... and guess what... linux drivers don't yet exist afaik. Not to say that they _won't_.. just gonna be a matter of time

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SteveDaniels:

Is there a cable option for HD?

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Juski:

not one compatible with MythTV, no

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Juski:

not a legal one either

[11:00:24]

SteveDaniels:

Ok, thanks for yout time and insight Juski

[11:00:27]

Juski:

in any case, UK HDTV is looking very much like it'll be h.264. You need a _lot_ of grunt to decode that. I mean _loads_.. Dual 3Ghz, 64-bit

[11:00:41]

Juski:

if you want full framerate, that is ;-)

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SteveDaniels:

Eeek!

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Juski:

search on www.digitalspy.com to see what people have managed with the bbc HD test mux in London...

[11:01:34]

Juski:

15fps playback on a 3Ghz machine... not good eh

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SteveDaniels:

Seen a fair bit of talk on the mailing lists too.. seems rpetty hard core!

[11:01:47]

Juski:

aye

[11:01:53]

Juski:

no hardware decoding help yet either

[11:02:27]

Juski:

although some of the satellite HD box manufacturers appear to use something linuxy, so maybe there's hope yet

[11:03:02]

Juski:

you seen the back of a $ky HD box? it has ethernet, USB & firewire... imagine if they were enabled!

[11:03:50]

SteveDaniels:

I can VERY much imagine a stack of those boxes plugged into a switch with some myth magic tying it all together...!

[11:04:27]

Juski:

oh and finally.. if you're secretly living under the misapprehension that one day it'll be hacked & made more functional, think again. $ky's SD PVR has been around for ages & all folks have been able to do is add more HDD space

[11:05:45]

SteveDaniels:

So for the UK, are the many reasons to be able to output hi res to drive an HDTV?

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Juski:

not being able to get/use HD for a few years yet has some benefits for people like me, though. by the time it's all commonplace I might be able to afford a proper, 1080 TV

[11:06:41]

Juski:

SteveDaniels: not really. either way, 95% of sets on sale aren't _real_ HD anyway.. just that 'HD ready' crap which is 720p

[11:07:21]

SteveDaniels:

yeah i've had to hold back laughter listening to sales people selling these amazing hd tv sets..

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Juski:

and of _course_ telly is gonna look better on a massive screen with HD than with SD. seen $ky or UK cable on a screen bigger than 32" across? lego!

[11:08:31]

Juski:

<=32" screensize == no point having HDTV

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SteveDaniels:

lol – ok – well that means spending a *lot* less on this mythtv installation i'll be helping out with

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Juski:

you seen the quoted res of some of those 'HD ready' sets anyway? 1024x768 is not a 16:9 resolution

[11:11:04]

Juski:

</rant>

[11:12:09]

Juski:

oh fuck. I didn't build mythdvd with transcode support. arse!

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Juski:

bah to hell with it. not enough time to recompile

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gardengnome:

so what? perfect rips will cost ya less time

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Juski:

in that case something is wrong

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Juski:

OMG the 1337-n355 of this: http://www.kanection.co.uk/product.php/512/27/

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Hoxzer_:

if I changed my name to Chat_chick would I get more help on linux support channels?

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Juski:

if you got a clue you'd get more help fer sure

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epoch:

you'd probably just get more /msgs

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Hoxzer_:

:D epoch you remind me once when somebody msg's me and I spoke with her like 30mins untill I relaized it was a bot ...

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Hoxzer_:

:(((

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Juski:

cyber, anyone? :-P

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Dagmar:

No, thankya.

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epoch:

ew

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Juski:

Hoxzer_: if it takes 30 mins to realise a bot is a bot, then you really do need to get out more

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Hoxzer_:

:P

[11:27:49]

Hoxzer_:

I was so suprised that girl would like to talk with me

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Dagmar:

You have FAILED the Turing test.

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Hoxzer_:

:(

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gardengnome:

hehe

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gardengnome:

was she hot?

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Juski:

if I were Hoxzer_ I'd change my nick & start over.. going more carefully next time round

[11:29:26]

gardengnome:

right.

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Juski:

shit I've thought of changing my nick, but I'd revert back to type soon enough anyway

[11:30:17]

gardengnome:

;)

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lag:

*sigh*

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lag is now known as laga

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Hoxzer_:

laga: well, she was talking about perverted things which make her seem alike me

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Juski:

lol. perverted is all in the eye of the beyolder. gotta be careful with that

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laga:

i bet she talked geeky to him

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Juski:

"I'm probing your ports right now, baby.. ooo yeah"

[11:32:48]

laga:

that'd be cool. a realdoll with an embedded eliza module.

[11:32:55]

laga:

"are you moaning just to be negative?"

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Juski:

"whine, noob boy whine!"

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laga:

hehe

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Hoxzer_:

:P

[11:33:37]

laga:

"read my fucking manual"

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Hoxzer_:

lol, that's sounds pretty good btw <3

[11:34:50]

laga:

hehe

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laga:

Juski: i'm afraid someone is getting horny in here.

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** Juski pukes **

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Dagmar:

Oh I'm sure we can find some links that to post that would put a stop to that.

[11:37:30]

Dagmar:

blablahblah.com/images/thinkofyourmother.jpg and so forth

[11:38:52]

Juski:

www.nakedcelebs.com/DeniseVanOuten.php

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Dagmar:

I was thinking more along the lines of www.nakedcelebs.com/BeatriceArthur.php

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Dagmar:

That might be considered cruel, tho'/

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laga:

i jerked myself to see if i still feel. i focus on the stain, the only thing that's real.

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Juski:

people are making beards for their attendance at LRL... now I'm scared

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Juski:

oo this is nice. mythfrontend has hung, apparently

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Juski:

god, not now.. not today of all days

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Juski:

ahh it hadn't locked up.. was only busy ripping

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Juski:

hmm. mtd won't run, cos it's compiled without transcode support, and I can't find where to set the location to rip dvds to.

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laga:

i wonder if it's ripping DVDs to your video dir (mythvideo)

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Juski:

it's not ripping anything though. I select 'import DVD' and the button flashes.. that's it

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Juski:

bah mythdvd is broken

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** Juski goes to look for breezy wossnames.. there are still some somewhere **

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Juski:

found (yay!)... now then. I'm running 0.19-fixes, so erm... which mythdvd deb to choose... hrm

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laga:

humm?

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Juski:

thehunter.ws still has a dropbox with his packages in it

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laga:

ah, nice

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laga:

hamsta has got some breezy packages, too

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Juski:

really?

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Juski:

nifty

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laga:

yep. but you'd have to install all of his packages then, not only mythdvd

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Juski:

yeh I know

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Juski:

bleh I don't need to use mythdvd just to rip some ISOs

[12:34:43]

Juski:

not worth the risk up/downgrading at this late stage

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laga:

yeah

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laga:

just don't show it

[12:35:06]

Juski:

we don't have time right now ;-)

[12:35:08]

laga:

tell them you don't believe in libdvdcss ;)

[12:36:02]

Juski:

I don't believe in $deity either, so erm...

[12:36:03]

laga:

oops i said the bad word

[12:36:25]

laga:

you'll run into some problems if $deity believes in you, you know.

[12:37:55]

Juski:

I'll cross that brimstone when I come to it

[12:38:08]

laga:

heh

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Juski:

when/if

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Juski:

afternoon stuarta

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stuarta:

afternoon.

[12:40:00]

Juski:

dvdrip.. segmentation fault. lovely

[12:40:18]

stuarta:

i'm happy. few more bugs been squished.

[12:40:19]

Juski:

ubuntu is doing all it can to keep me on the right side of the mpaa today

[12:42:57]

Hoxzer_:

:/ It doesn't manage to do that to me

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stuarta:

!trout ubuntu hairy

[12:43:15]

** MythLogBot slaps ubuntu with a hairy trout on behalf of stuarta... **

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Hoxzer_:

but I'm running torrentflux on my mythbox <3

[12:44:47]

stuarta:

DILLIGAF.

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Juski:

doorbell. better put some pants on

[12:45:07]

** stuarta didn't need that image **

[12:45:53]

Juski:

lo. double glazing salesman. wish I'd not bothered with the pants

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stuarta:

Juski: go for the ones that normally do commercial properties, that do houses when it's quiet...

[12:47:49]

stuarta:

lower cowboy to competent ratio

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Juski:

daft house.. every damn window we have is lower than 60cm off the floor. ker-ching!

[12:48:28]

stuarta:

floor 2 ceiling? expensive....

[12:49:03]

stuarta:

bet it looks pretty tho :-P

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Juski:

just needs safety glass downstairs.. and we've aleady been told they don't make windows that big in singles

[12:49:31]

stuarta:

use bricks.

[12:49:34]

Juski:

lol

[12:49:38]

Juski:

thought of that one

[12:50:03]

Juski:

theres a catch in the building regs though.. thou shalt not replace windows with smaller ones

[12:50:37]

stuarta:

ie. thou house shall look exactly like thy neighbours house.

[12:51:15]

Juski:

it's a bind.. front bay windows are gonna cost between £1500 and £2500 – already been quoted

[12:51:16]

stuarta:

what bastard thought of that one?

[12:51:41]

Juski:

fire safety or summink.. like you can easily get out of a non-opening double glazed window

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stuarta:

!bullshit

[12:52:29]

stuarta:

hmmm. need to teach the bot about the game of bullshit

[12:53:11]

jchome:

Mh, does anyone of you experienced problems with the massive write load of the ringbuffer and HDs crashs? :-)

[12:56:59]

RandomDude15:

is there a channel with avidemux help?

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RedMercury:

hello!

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RedMercury:

is it possible to connect to a mythtv box from another machine and watch streams?

[13:09:16]

qu0zl:

anybody using the homeplug 85Mbps or newer 200Mbps ethernet over powerline homeplug stuff? It looks tempting

[13:10:01]

stuarta:

RedMercury: it's called a remote frontend

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stuarta:

backend in one room, frontend in another

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ivor_:

Kyler: ping

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Juski:

finally!

[13:19:40]

Juski:

I should eat now methinks

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RedMercury:

cool man

[13:20:41]

RedMercury:

just put together a new htpc, ive tried vista beta and its well shonky

[13:21:02]

RedMercury:

and mce2k5 doesnt support more than 2 tuners

[13:21:09]

RedMercury:

and i'd like to add more usb2 tuners as i go along :D

[13:21:32]

k-man:

im having a bit of trouble receiving some channels on my dvb tuners

[13:21:45]

k-man:

whats a good way to test each channel on each tuner?

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Juski:

it _does_ support more than 2.. but a) at least one has to be HD (i.e. 2 HD & one SDTV, or 2 SD & one HD) and b) you can't mix analogue & digital cards

[13:22:56]

Juski:

k-man: tzap "channel_name" then cat /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 > test.mpg – then play the mpeg file...

[13:23:35]

k-man:

where does tzap get the info from for each channel?

[13:24:17]

Kyler:

ivor_: Yes?

[13:24:46]

ivor:

Kyler: hola. you were asking about getting a cn board going.

[13:24:56]

ivor:

didn't see if you got any answers.

[13:24:58]

Kyler:

Yes, I've not had any luck with the via driver.

[13:25:07]

Kyler:

Nope, no answers.

[13:25:14]

ivor:

have you tried the current openchrome driver.

[13:25:24]

ivor:

I think the cn boards have a vt3344

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Kyler:

I've only tried the one in Ubuntu. I don't (yet) have physical access to it so that's the easy way for me to test it right now.

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Juski:

k-man it gets its channel info from a channels.conf file. see the dvb section of the myth wiki

[13:26:06]

ivor:

ah. that could be awkward. :)

[13:26:23]

ivor:

can you get an lspci -vn output from it.

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k-man:

ok

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k-man:

thanks

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Kyler:

ivor: I'm getting to the machine now... As I recall, the lspci output for the device was "unknown".

[13:28:19]

Kyler:

ivor: Ug. Looks like the CN is hosed. I'll have to wait for someone to reboot it.

[13:28:31]

ivor:

:)

[13:29:03]

Kyler:

Here's an earlier plain lspci. 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc.: Unknown device 3344 (rev 01)

[13:29:14]

Kyler:

Indeed, a 3344.

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ivor:

ok. yup vt3344 should work fine with openchrome.....

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RedMercury:

Juski – HD as in high-def?

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ivor:

although we have a weird xv bug that needs tracking down that seems to show up on only some vt3344 boards.

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Kyler:

I'm using xserver-xorg-driver-via 1:0.1.33.2–0ubuntu4.

[13:30:30]

ivor:

there appear to be two versions of the vt3344 chip, with the same revision number. one with the problem, one without.

[13:30:44]

ivor:

rather annoying.

[13:31:01]

Kyler:

I'll be happy to help. I can provide access to a machine.

[13:31:12]

Kyler:

(We're ordering 60 or so...)

[13:31:39]

ivor:

cool

[13:32:17]

Kyler:

http://www.mini-box.com/s.nl?sc=8&categor . . . A&id=443

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Kyler:

I'd like to learn how to exploit the "Optional IR" on these.

[13:33:27]

ivor:

not sure. I've only every hooked up ir to the onboard serial connector.

[13:33:28]

Kyler:

(This batch is for student lab machines. I want to use some for Myth frontends at home.)

[13:34:06]

Kyler:

ivor: I'm really annoyed by my ATI RF remote. I'm ready to go back to IR.

[13:35:18]

Kyler:

unichrome: "Sadly, support for VT3108, VT3118, VT3344 and VT3157 ranges from limited to non-existant."

[13:35:34]

ivor:

that's unichrome, not openchrome.

[13:35:49]

Kyler:

Oh! I didn't catch that! Learning...

[13:35:51]

ivor:

http://www.openchrome.org

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Kyler:

O.k., so I'm going to need to compile. I hate compiling X stuff.

[13:37:17]

ivor:

its not too bad with xorg7 now.

[13:37:21]

Kyler:

(I'm just whining. I really appreciate that OpenChrome supports the new chip.)

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ivor:

slightly less painfull.

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Kyler:

Any chance of a .deb for OpenChrome anytime soon?

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ivor:

Kyler: there's usually some reasonably up-to-date builds on the binary packages page.

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Kyler:

Oops! Didn't even see that. Are there plans to get it in Debian/Ubuntu distros?

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Kyler:

The Ubuntu snapshot is from November?!

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Kyler:

This looks more current. http://gamesplace.info/opensource/openchrome/dapper-binaries/

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Juski:

arghh! stupid dvd2iso!

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lnx^:

why could I be getting this error when starting mythtv-frontend with the init.d script? I'm running ubuntu dapper. Starting MythTV server: mythbackendSession management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed

[14:26:19]

Juski:

right I gotta run. ttfn folks

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Kelerion:

morning all

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stuarta:

afternoon Kelerion

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lnx^:

solved that problem by removing 'localhost' from /etc/hosts

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lnx^:

now I got another problem, though.

[14:33:42]

lnx^:

2006-07–21 17:32:03.943 DVB#0 ERROR – Opening DVB frontend device failed. (13) Lupa evätty

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lnx^:

Lupa evätty = Permission denied (in Finnish)

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stuarta:

removing localhost is never a solution

[14:34:06]

lnx^:

well, not removing

[14:34:18]

lnx^:

changing its position, really

[14:34:28]

lnx^:

I just put it after my real hostname

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stuarta:

as long as it still references 127.0.0.1

[14:35:10]

lnx^:

yeah

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lnx^:

the user does have permission to /dev/dvb/* so the error shouldn't be caused by that

[14:35:39]

** stuarta goes back to 295 pages of h264 spec **

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Kelerion:

stuarta: you masochist you :)

[14:36:24]

stuarta:

haven't got past the definitions yet :(

[14:36:42]

sapbeast:

no, masochist would be trying to install dos 6.22, windows 3.11, bob, os/2, windows 95, linux all on the same drive

[14:36:47]

stuarta:

and I had to go get caffeine

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Kelerion:

I've done that (apart from os/2) in vmware... does that count? lol

[14:37:29]

stuarta:

bob?

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Kelerion:

oh.. not bob no.. I looked for it but couldn't find it

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sapbeast:

vmware is cheating lol

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sapbeast:

i got bob on a disk here, still havent had time to try it

[14:38:12]

sapbeast:

unfortunately vmware actually does not run dos or 3.11

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stuarta:

what is bob? not heard of it.

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Kelerion:

just found a lot of MS history pages when I tried it.. lol

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Kelerion:

old MS frontend... kiddy interface

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Kelerion:

fullscreen... "open the filing cabinet for your email" type thing

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sapbeast:

designed by melinda gates supposedly

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sapbeast:

and we see why shes not designed anything else since then

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stuarta:

like a kiddie has a filing cabinet....

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Kelerion:

well not a filing cabinet.. but you get the idea :)

[14:39:49]

stuarta:

yeah, it's making me cringe....

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Kelerion:

http://toastytech.com/guis/bob.html

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stuarta:

oh dear...

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Beirdo:

and another load of wash

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Beirdo:

Oh yay, don't have to water the plants today

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Beirdo:

time for some tropical rain

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Beirdo:

saves me the trouble of watering

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Hoxzer_:

:/ where do you live?

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Beirdo:

Puerto Rico

[14:50:30]

Hoxzer_:

Babeeeee I caan't hold it much loongeer it is gettings stronger and stronger AND when I get that fealing I WANT sexual healiiing

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Hoxzer_:

*feeling but yeah

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Hoxzer_:

Puerto rico brasilia :O

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Hoxzer_:

I have been in Brazilia once

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stuarta:

there's a gui missing from that site

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Beirdo:

I love it here

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Hoxzer_:

Yeah, but it was long time ago :(

[14:52:19]

stuarta:

it existed at the same time as win 3.11

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stuarta:

and was used as the windowing system for the desktop publishing program

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Hoxzer_:

I remeber when I rode on buggies on the dunes

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stuarta:

that was competing against pagemaker....

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stuarta:

shat all over win3.11

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stuarta:

hmmm.... was the app called framemaker???

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stuarta:

or was it around pre win3....

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stuarta:

was defn pre os2

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ivor:

framemaker! whoa that's a name I haven't heard for a while.

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stuarta:

ahah! it was the GEM interface (which is there...)

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stuarta:

ventura publisher :)

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ivor:

is it "memory lane" afternoon?

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stuarta:

it all started with bob

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ivor:

oh dear.

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lnx^:

gee. now when I'm trying to watch this dvb, I get the following error:

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lnx^:

2006-07–21 17:59:14.736 TVRec(1): Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV

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lnx^:

2006-07–21 17:59:14.845 DVBSignalMonitor(0)::constructor(1,Warning, can not count Uncorrected Blocks): Unable to proceed command

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lnx^:

any ideas what could cause that?

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AngryElf:

will a stable-svn-0.19 FE work with a release-0.19 backend?

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adante:

is there an option to disable xv overlays or did i imagine it?

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stuarta:

AngryElf: you need to run the same version, but stable-svn-0.19 = 0.19-fixes ~= release-0.19

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AngryElf:

it seems to be working anyways :)

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stuarta:

they must use the same mythversion so you're lucky...

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Hoxzer_:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MorR04iLtMw&am . . . ican%20guide :D guys this is something unique

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AngryElf:

is there any way to make the Enter key unpause a recording if it's paused?

[15:22:51]

AngryElf:

since enter functions a lot like a 'play' button

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stuarta:

what's wrong with 'p' for pause?

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AngryElf:

on a dvd player/vhs player both the play button and the pause button unpause it

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AngryElf:

i'm just used to it

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RedMercury:

ive got an ati 9600 with tv-out im planning on using for my myth box – would i have to configure x for tv-out support?

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RedMercury:

i.e. all output go through x?

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geemark:

with the IVTV driver, should I download the audio firmware separately and install two packages?? It loads my video firmware fine, but the audio firmware fails to load

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knownot:

anyone home?

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knownot:

hello?

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roger55:

hi

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knownot:

am I in the right place to ask about tuner issues?

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roger55:

maybe?

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knownot:

I'm using a Compro t200a, and have followed the directions in the linuxtv.org wiki, and still cannot get it to tune (i thnk)

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Juski:

re

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knownot:

I'm -ok- with linux, and programming, and can't figure out if I have done somthing wrong, I was wondering if there is a way to test if the card/driver is working as it should

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Juski:

still didn't catch that tshirt place open :-/ fsck!

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Juski:

knownot: try the dvb section of the mythtv wiki wiki wa wa

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roger55:

knownot, have you tried using the *zap tools from dvbutils?

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knownot:

yes, done both

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Juski:

use scan to scan for channels.. write a channels.conf

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Juski:

then use tzap "channel name" in one term window

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Juski:

then in another term window do mplayer < /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 or something (e.g. cat/ dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 > test.mpg)

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knownot:

scan -c channels.conf returns many lines of ERROR: cannot parse'ABC HDTV:226500000:INVERSION_OFF:BANDWIDTH_7_MHZ:FEC_3_4:FEC_3_4:QAM_64:TRANSMISSION _MODE_8K:GUARD_INTERVAL_1_16:HIERARCHY_NONE:2307:0:560

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Juski:

course you also have to make sure all the right modules are loaded & the device nodes are created

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knownot:

Juski: modules are loaded and dev entities are present

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Juski:

knownot: easy. you need an initial tuning file for the transponder you're trying to tune to

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knownot:

Juski: the one from dvbutils isn't ok?

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Juski:

that should be on one of the aussie wikis

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Juski:

dunno

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Juski:

but you don't do scan -c channels.conf

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Juski:

you might redirect the output from scan into a channels.conf file

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knownot:

i'm using channels.conf-dvbt-australia from dvbutils

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roger55:

knownot, I liked http://www.edafe.org/vdr/wscan.html a tool that can scan without any premade channels.conf

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Juski:

ah so no need to scan

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Juski:

if it's in .conf format == no need to scan

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knownot:

thought so

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knownot:

tzap returns :

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knownot:

using '/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0' and '/dev/dvb/adapter0/demux0'

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knownot:

tuning to 226500000 Hz

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knownot:

video pid 0x0200, audio pid 0x028a

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knownot:

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Juski:

high BER

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knownot:

with the last line repeated

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Juski:

got the aerial plugged in?

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Juski:

status should not be 00

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Juski:

it might be that you're not using the right tuning file for your area

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knownot:

lol, yes, tried my mast ant, and a large set of rabbit ears, both of which give perfect analouge reception

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Juski:

have you checked to see if you're in an area covered by digital? I read the other day that your analogue switchoff has been put back

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knownot:

and I just confirmed that the channels conf file works for other ppl in my area

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knownot:

my DVB-t stb works fine...

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Juski:

alright then :)

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Juski:

you could compare what your STB tuning pages say to the channels.conf.. see if the freqs agree

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Juski:

or you could just wing it & try scanning in mythtv-setup – naughty but might work

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knownot:

the conf file is right, reading another forum with list freq/etc and all seems correct, I have a feeling it is th driver

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Juski:

not sure if full scanning works in 0.19-fixes though

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Juski:

are you absolutely sure the .conf file is right? Aus is a big place, and not all transmitters will be on the same freq.

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Juski:

if someone else from your neighbourhood says that file is ok, take their word for it though

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Kelerion:

ok.. am sure I knew this one once... playback keeps resetting my xvideo color settings (set my nvidia-settings which is loading during startup))... how do I stop it?

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Juski:

alright Kelerion :) no idea btw

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knownot:

yes, absolutly sure, there are mulitple channels listed for each station, each one specific for each reagion, and I know which ones are for here. Besides, I've already tried the otherones as well :P

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Kelerion:

hey Juski.. :)

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Juski:

knownot: sorry to say, soundy likey driverey

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** Juski is almost ready for the show show show **

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knownot:

the problem was the the wiki describes how to modify source in SVN, but since the wiki was wrote, svn code has change a fair bit :(

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Juski:

anyone got any gaffer tape?

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Juski:

:-P

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Juski:

we done now?

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knownot:

Juski: could the problem be related to using 64bit linux?

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Juski:

knownot: could be

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Juski:

knownot: try using drivers out of linuxtv cvs (now Hg I believe)

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Juski:

and search their ML to blazes

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knownot:

Juski: that is where I got the source to patch and compile my own

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Juski:

heh. take your card back & buy a nova-t instead then :-P

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Juski:

outage!

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Juski:

aye.. when I 1st started out in linux I had to patch my 2.6.9 kernel.. messy as...

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Juski:

"We are experiencing some difficulties with part of the network".. no shit, sherlock

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knownot:

:(

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Juski:

wheeeeeeeeeeee

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Beirdo:

at least the bot seems to not hate them like the old one did

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lnx^:

has anyone experienced success with mythtv + the nebula pci dvb card?

[17:05:07]

Juski:

lnx^: I expect plenty of people have. see linuxtv.org mailing list entries circa 1956

[17:05:39]

Juski:

drivers have been in the kernel since before 2.6.9

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lnx^:

ok. for some reason I'm getting really frequent (every 2 sec) prebuffering pauses (i.e. the image freezes). what could this be caused by? surely some settings must be wrong

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Juski:

you using EIT programme guide data?

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lnx^:

what is that?

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Juski:

over the air programme guide

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Kazan:

me wonders wtf happened

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Kazan:

erg +/

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lnx^:

Juski: I have no idea. how could it be the root of my problem?

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Juski:

well, where do you get your EPG data from , lnx^ ?

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lnx^:

is that what the tv_grab scripts fetch?

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lnx^:

or does it come over the air...

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Juski:

lnx^: which grabber do you use? an xmltv one?

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lnx^:

currently I don't use any grabber since the Finnish xmltv one is broken.

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Juski:

but do you have EPG data?

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lnx^:

that being the channel data? I imported my channels.conf file generated by the 'scan' script

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GeM:

the norwegian one is broken as well I think

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Juski:

EPG == electronic programme guide.. throw me a frickin bone here

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Juski:

basically EPG means the show data, not channels as such

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lnx^:

ah ok. then I don't have any programme data since the tv_grab_fi script is broken. is that necessary to have just for watching live tv?

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GeM:

my mythweb shows no epg data, but the mythfilldatabase script completes successfully.. can't really see what's wrong.. sql maybe?

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Juski:

check none of your channels have useonairguide set to 1

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Juski:

GeM: prolly no xmltv ids in your channels table

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lnx^:

they all have useonairguide set to 0

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Juski:

right.

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GeM:

okey? it happened after a myth upgrade. how do I set it ?

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Juski:

useeit in erm... videosource should be set to 0 also, lnx^

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Juski:

GeM.. erm.. pretty basic stuff. check in mythweb channel setup pages to see if they have xmltv ids or not

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GeM:

found it.. they seem right.

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Juski:

stop mythbackend, run mythtv-setup & make sure everything is right.. like your videosource & stuff

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lnx^:

I should set it to EIT?

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Juski:

also check you're running mythfilldatabase as the right user

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Juski:

lnx^: no

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GeM:

Juski: actually, you're onto something.. all the channels are listed twice with different xmltv ids

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Juski:

lnx^: run top when mythfrontend is showing livetv

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Juski:

if mythbackend is taking more than 50% CPU, something is up. if mythfrontend is using the most, your cpu is pegged playing back mpeg2

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lnx^:

frontend using 7%, backend 2%

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Juski:

lnx^: is this over a wireless connection or all on the same box?

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lnx^:

all on same box

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lnx^:

what did you mean by saying that videosource should be set to 0 – where?

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Juski:

I mean the useeit column in the videosource table

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lnx^:

yep it is set to 1

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Juski:

so you're getting EPG data off the air

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lnx^:

yes I were. I changed the setting, started the backend, but unfortunately the problem is still there.

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Juski:

in 0.19 mythbackend pulls the epg data out of the air & because of the way it works it pegs the cpu out (hundreds of mysql queries a second)

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Juski:

ok then. what speed CPU? what kind f vga card?

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lnx^:

2.4 celeron. ATI radeon 9200 pro.

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stuarta:

eeek! 54c 8-(

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** stuarta offers his computer some cold beer. **

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lnx^:

could changing some settings in the recording profiles help?

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GeM:

Juski: thanks for the hint.. my EPG is back online :)

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lnx^:

I feel stupid. but how do I change the video format in the recording profiles?

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Kazan:

it's in the profile options.. on the second page

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lnx^:

but how do I get to the profile options? :/

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Kazan:

lnx^: setup....

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Kazan:

in frontend

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lnx^:

I go to recording profiles, choose for example Hardware DVB Encoders

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lnx^:

press enter on Default

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lnx^:

and all I get is a dialog for changing the profile name

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laga:

you cannot change the video format for DVB cards. you already get a digital stream.

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laga:

mythtv simply writes it to disk, kinda

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lnx^:

I found this with google about my problem, you see: If your Live TV video is playing jerky (i.e. running too fast, then stopping every 1–2 seconds) and you keep getting "prebuffering pause" errors in the console, try adjusting the video format in the recording profiles. The default format used in all of my installation's profiles was set to 480x480, which might be suitable for NTSC regions. But I'm using a PAL version of the PVR-250 which obviously doesn't lik

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lnx^:

how'd I do that for DVB live tv?

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Juski:

lnx^: you can't change the recording profiles for dvb

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Juski:

what you get on disk is whatever is in the stream until you transcode it

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Juski:

lnx^: can you play dvds & stuff okay on your system?

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lnx^:

yes they work fine

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lnx^:

also the dvb card gives a fine picture with mplayer + dvbencoder

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Juski:

cos a 2.8ghz cpu should play back mpeg2 from dvb just fine. it's definitely not HDTV is it?

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lnx^:

I meant dvbstream, not dvbencoder.

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Juski:

you got dma enabled on your HDD?

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lnx^:

it is not HDTV

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Juski:

I'm clutching at straws now

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lnx^:

with what command would I check out DMA again?

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Juski:

hdparm

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lnx^:

I think ubuntu should set it on automatically

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Juski:

it doesn't always do that

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Juski:

try hdparm -t /dev/hda

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Juski:

evening Ludo

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Juski:

oops

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laga:

bienvenue coume

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Juski:

Antoine de Coume, presenter of Eurotrash? ;-)

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lnx^:

hmm, but my disk is a SATA disk

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lnx^:

AFAIK hdparm doesn't work with sata?

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Juski:

lnx^: erm.. try it anyway

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lnx^:

hdparm -d1 gives HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device

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Juski:

yeh so try the -t option

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Juski:

test the i/o throughput

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lnx^:

Timing buffered disk reads: 148 MB in 3.03 seconds = 48.81 MB/sec

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Juski:

if you get more than 30MB/sec you're fine. totally fine on that score. and then I'm out of ideas

[18:38:20]

Juski:

me hungy. feel kinda nauseous too. must be all the excitement

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stuarta:

I think i'll leave my case open for the next week or so...

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Juski:

good plan :)

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stuarta:

hdd temps have dropped 7c since i did it....

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stuarta:

plus I've just ordered a bunch of hdd coolers & more case fans :)

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Juski:

when the maxtors die, get seagates or samsung :)

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Juski:

eeew hdd coolers.. hope they're not the sort that screw onto the disk... they've v. v. bad

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stuarta:

i'm expecting the whole system to go titsup someday.

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Juski:

s/they've/they're

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SteveDaniels:

how do you test disk i/o throughput?

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Juski:

SteveDaniels: have you just been reading any of this channel in the last 5 minutes?

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stuarta:

might be, but I'll see. if I hate them I won't use em. only a couple of quid

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lnx^:

I even found a thread about it, with the same display card as mine: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-dev/2006-June/048540.html

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SteveDaniels:

Juski, i was just googling the subject and glanced in here, haven't had a chance to scroll up yet... :$

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Juski:

stuarta: see if they affect throughput. bad vibrations will show up on real disk i/o :)

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lnx^:

but no one seems to have come up with a solution

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Juski:

SteveDaniels: hdparm -T or hdparm -T

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Juski:

oops lower/upper case T

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stuarta:

Juski: will see....

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Juski:

lnx^: one more idea. run mysqlcheck on your mythconverg database. if it's corrupt, queries could be taking too long. and um... during all recording there are quite a few db insertions going on

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Juski:

that's it. no more. all out of ideas

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lnx^:

nope no errors

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SteveDaniels:

That just does reads right? HOw do I test writes? Feel free to tell me to go back to googling

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sigger:

Juski, thanks again for pointing me to xxmc for my CLE266. Getting a new front end computer; thinking of an EPIA EN15000G. Will the new Unichrome Pro chips give acceleration benefit or are they too new to be supported?

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lnx^:

what are the ivtv drivers? I guess they don't support my card anyway

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Kazan:

what is your card

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lnx^:

nebula digitv

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Kazan:

ivtv drivers are drivers for Hauppage PVR-xxx boards and other ivtv based boards

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Kazan:

oh this is a HDTV card?

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Kazan:

no ivtv isn't going to support that

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Kazan:

you would need to find the appropriate DVB driver

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lnx^:

no it's not hdtv, it's an older card

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Beirdo:

ahoy there, j-rod... got a Boston accent yet?

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j-rod:

Beirdo: drove wicked fah in my cah last night

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j-rod:

nah, not really (neither drove far, nor have the accent yet)

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Kazan:

Nebula Electronics DigiTV PCI Rev 1 (Bt878, Nxt6000) Rev 2 (Bt878, Zarlink MT352) (Digital Terrestrial)

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j-rod:

busy trying to bitch-slap some boxes here at work into working...

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lnx^:

Kazan: yes, it's rev 1

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Kazan:

it's considered DVB

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Beirdo:

heh

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** stuarta has one of those... **

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lnx^:

okay, so obviously ivtv won't work?

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** Beirdo is listening to Blues programs from about a month ago **

[18:58:50]

Beirdo:

heh

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stuarta:

nope, you need the bt8xx drivers...

[18:58:59]

Kazan:

correct, nor should it be working :D

[18:59:05]

** stuarta is watching trashy tv.... **

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** Kazan is being bored at work with nothing to code **

[18:59:27]

** stuarta spent all day doing that. **

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Kazan:

it's only 14:00 here

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stuarta:

beer o'clock here :) aka 8pm

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Kazan:

you must live in the UK :P

[19:00:34]

stuarta:

aye

[19:00:41]

Kazan:

lucky bastard

[19:00:50]

Kazan:

all spoiled with your DVB-(S/T/C)

[19:01:11]

stuarta:

have T, working on S

[19:01:20]

Kazan:

many of the cable and satellite companies over there offer the decoders for S & C?

[19:01:30]

Beirdo:

hmmm. beer o'clock and still no beer

[19:01:38]

** stuarta lobs Beirdo a beer **

[19:01:44]

Beirdo:

thank ye

[19:01:46]

** Beirdo chugs **

[19:02:04]

Kazan:

over on this side the pond it's probably going to be impossible to use homebrew for anything other than ATSC

[19:02:08]

stuarta:

Kazan: if by offer decoders you mean provide the CAM to decode the signal

[19:02:17]

Kazan:

yeah

[19:02:26]

kslater:

sigger: still listening?

[19:02:27]

stuarta:

then no, but there is a third party market providing these items.

[19:02:31]

Kazan:

heh

[19:02:49]

stuarta:

for those with a *legal* viewing card :_)

[19:02:59]

Kazan:

i don't know how CableLABS gets away with being called a non-profit

[19:03:16]

Kazan:

their entire existance is for the profit of cable cartel, who owns and runs CableLABS

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Juski:

sigger: best ask ivor about unichrome driver support for that board ;)

[19:05:52]

Juski:

mmmm strawberries!

[19:06:03]

stuarta:

mmmm beer!

[19:06:14]

Juski:

beer tomorrow

[19:06:26]

stuarta:

ahh pre-detox

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kslater:

ivor: ping

[19:06:42]

Juski:

pretox

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Juski:

:)

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stuarta:

i considered that...

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Juski:

!seen Coume

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MythLogBot:

Coume was last seen 32 minutes 34 seconds ago

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** stuarta steals Juski's strawberries.... **

[19:08:05]

Juski:

oi!

[19:08:25]

** stuarta dips them in cream & throws em back **

[19:08:49]

Juski:

!trout stuarta strawberry-flavoured

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** MythLogBot slaps stuarta with a strawberry-flavoured trout on behalf of Juski... **

[19:08:57]

stuarta:

mmmmm

[19:09:14]

Juski:

better than the other way around I'll wager

[19:09:33]

Juski:

what's red & tastes of fish?

[19:09:52]

stuarta:

strawberries & fish?

[19:10:11]

Juski:

this heat is eating my sanity away

[19:10:49]

Juski:

good news is that I found my ickle trolley for wheeling stuff around tomorrow :)

[19:11:08]

Juski:

visions of crts falling orf & going tinkle

[19:11:13]

stuarta:

bad news is no t-shirts?

[19:11:29]

Juski:

thanks to Asda I have that covered now

[19:11:42]

Juski:

inkyjet tshirt xfer thingy

[19:12:03]

Juski:

next pasetbin error message goes on the back of my tshirt

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** stuarta looks for a good one... **

[19:12:22]

Juski:

so make it a good one!

[19:12:38]

laga:

want some backtraces?

[19:12:51]

laga:

i could offer 134mb of mythtranscode verbosity goodness

[19:12:58]

Juski:

lol

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Juski:

I said t-shirt.. not burkha

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Beirdo:

heh

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Kazan:

ha

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stuarta:

don't think that'd be big enough

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Juski:

would it fit on a bz2 t-shirt though?

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laga:

print the bzip2'ed stuff then, that's only 12mb

[19:16:16]

stuarta:

not the most readable.

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stuarta:

why not print out your recording schedule :)

[19:16:38]

Juski:

too embarrassing

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Juski:

oh – before or after I delete my wife's recordings?

[19:17:07]

Juski:

a moot point, and still not very funny

[19:17:17]

stuarta:

filter -wife_recordings

[19:19:51]

laga:

gaah, laptop turned off again. i hate it when it happens, i suspect the plug is a little bit lose

[19:20:32]

Kazan:

lemme guess – you watch Desperate Housewives :P

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Juski:

nah. sex in the city

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laga:

hrm. thunderbird is acting weirdly after the crash :/ showed me some non-existing folders that vanished after some time *sigh*

[19:22:48]

stuarta:

bad girls is more embarressing

[19:24:32]

Juski:

yeh I admit that

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Juski:

at least nobody in this house watches Cell Block H though

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** Juski has an Art Attack! **

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stuarta:

poor t-shirt

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Juski:

heh. not yet.. going mad with the Pritt stick

[19:30:53]

stuarta:

poster production!

[19:31:01]

Juski:

forgot just how edible this stuff smells

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stuarta:

it is edible.

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Juski:

if you say so.. I just had my tea

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stuarta:

sausage sandwitch :)

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Beirdo:

oooh, tea.

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[19:35:30]

Juski:

gahhhh! cd avalanche!

[19:35:34]

Beirdo:

I finally convinced the wife that I need tea as well as coffee

[19:35:41]

stuarta:

what's Beirdo cooking for us?

[19:36:01]

EinsteinTaylor:

i want fajitas

[19:36:04]

EinsteinTaylor:

if my vote counts

[19:36:04]

Beirdo:

someone's baking in this neighborhood. This is EVIL!

[19:36:39]

Beirdo:

Friday is date night, I ain't cooking tonight.

[19:36:57]

laga:

date night?

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Beirdo:

aye

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laga:

what's that?

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Beirdo:

we set aside time to go out on dates :)

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laga:

ah, so you already have a mistress? nice :)

[19:37:53]

Beirdo:

start the tradition early as once we have kids, it's easier to enforce if you are used to it already

[19:37:59]

Beirdo:

heh, NO

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stuarta:

we have to set aside one weekend a month for us....

[19:38:14]

EinsteinTaylor:

if ur wife gives u permission to get a mistress thats a trap right?

[19:38:38]

Beirdo:

stuarta, yeah, we are starting with every Friday night, we will likely go down to a weekend a month at some point

[19:38:45]

Beirdo:

but the concept is important :)

[19:39:00]

stuarta:

yep, we have trouble finding room in our diaries already....

[19:39:25]

stuarta:

we looked during the week. we have a saturday for us in November :(

[19:39:40]

Beirdo:

jeez

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Beirdo:

ouchie

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stuarta:

there are others where we see others a couple, but a night just for us.....

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stuarta:

s/a/as a/

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Beirdo:

ah, yes

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Beirdo:

gotcha

[19:41:42]

stuarta:

there would be trouble if we didn't see each other till november....

[19:41:46]

Beirdo:

I got rather pissed a couple weeks ago when she invited her brother and his friend along with us when we went out bowling

[19:41:53]

Beirdo:

but it was fun anyways

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stuarta:

I'll bet your spanish improved the more pissed you got...

[19:42:20]

Beirdo:

if her brother brought a girlfriend, it would be slightly different

[19:42:27]

Beirdo:

heh, nah.

[19:42:32]

Juski:

yay! swapsies

[19:42:42]

stuarta:

drunk is a universal language....

[19:43:07]

Beirdo:

no, I meant pissed as in mad, not drunk... only wish

[19:43:30]

stuarta:

ahh.

[19:43:53]

Juski:

I'm gonna feel a right goit with a nametag on

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stuarta:

!trout Juski nametag

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** MythLogBot slaps Juski with a nametag trout on behalf of stuarta... **

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Beirdo:

heh. "My name is..."

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Beirdo:

should hand out the "I'm with stupid" shirts too

[19:44:54]

Juski:

"hello. my name is Juski. I've been a mythtv user since..."

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stuarta:

hmmm. must be a year and a half now....

[19:45:19]

Beirdo:

Nov 2004 or something like that for me

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laga:

Beirdo: must be earlier.

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Beirdo:

2003?

[19:45:47]

Beirdo:

hell if I remember

[19:45:50]

laga:

that's more like it

[19:45:52]

stuarta:

how old is the bot?

[19:46:08]

Beirdo:

the old bot was way into my myth days :)

[19:46:17]

Beirdo:

the new one was started earlier this year

[19:46:18]

laga:

my first mail to -users was like in march of 2004, and back then you were already there to bully me ;)

[19:46:25]

Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

OK, musta been Nov 2003

[19:46:48]

** Beirdo chucks a wireless mouse at laga **

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** laga catches and burns it **

[19:47:11]

stuarta:

I must have started just before 0.18

[19:47:33]

stuarta:

when did that come out?

[19:48:05]

Beirdo:

a long time ago :)

[19:48:18]

Juski:

in a galaxy far, far away

[19:48:36]

Juski:

before shitty CGI characters were invented

[19:48:49]

Beirdo:

heh

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stuarta:

okay. feb 2005 0.17 came out. must have started on that....

[19:49:25]

Beirdo:

Hmm, I think I shall boot the bot in the bolts again, put in the new flood protection code

[19:49:51]

stuarta:

april 2005 0.18 came out.

[19:49:55]

laga:

stuarta: where can you see that? the DL archive on mythtv.org doesn't show the correct dates

[19:50:06]

stuarta:

oldnews on mythtv.org

[19:50:13]

kslater:

when did .14 come out?

[19:50:15]

laga:

thanks

[19:50:43]

stuarta:

0.13 = dec 2003

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stuarta:

0.14 = jan 2004

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Beirdo:

so that sounds right

[19:52:02]

laga:

must have been 0.14 for me, but i only remember 0.15.1

[19:52:05]

Beirdo:

woohoo, it didn't coredump this time

[19:53:24]

stuarta:

0.15.1 = may 31 2004

[19:53:24]

Juski:

one in the eye for the linuxtag guys.. I'm taking spiral cable wrap with me

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stuarta:

0.16 = sep 2004

[19:54:30]

Juski:

had this crazy idea earlier, but it'd need sponsorship... mythtv lounge.. on tour!

[19:55:00]

stuarta:

winnebago!!!!

[19:55:08]

Juski:

myth-suv

[19:55:59]

Juski:

oops. myth-rvtv

[19:56:10]

laga:

talk to the pimp my ride guys

[19:56:28]

Juski:

westwood? I can't fucking understand a word that dude says, aight?

[19:57:06]

Juski:

search for a sound clip of him first. then find a pic, then laugh

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Juski:

actually no – I totally get what he does. He's totally ironic & he plays on it.

[19:57:53]

Beirdo:

myth-winnebago with 2-way satellite internet that works during motion

[19:57:55]

Beirdo:

that would rule

[19:58:16]

Juski:

disecq is enough of a pain from what I've heard already

[19:58:59]

Juski:

time to take stock of what's left to do...

[19:59:22]

Beirdo:

oh cool, it didn't flood :)

[19:59:30]

Juski:

damn. tech support call

[19:59:39]

stuarta:

Juski: diseq's been rewritten in the last month

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Beirdo:

spewed 50 RSS feed posts in a row, no flood-out.

[20:01:11]

Beirdo:

that's sweet

[20:01:18]

Beirdo:

I hope I caught it all

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Juski:

heh. silly me, renaming the windows machine up here. laptop wouldn't print

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Beirdo:

doh

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Beirdo:

tard

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Juski:

dammit

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Juski:

upcoming recordings have vanished again!

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Juski:

program guide is full

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Juski:

disk isn't full

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Juski:

2nd time this has happenned now and I've no idea why

[20:18:59]

Juski:

nothing in the log either

[20:19:52]

Juski:

only thing I've done is take the demo box off the network. that _shouldn't_ have anything to do with it, but it's too much of a coincidence to rule out

[20:20:14]

Juski:

and, possibly unlikely to be seen by many (if any) other users

[20:20:38]

Juski:

since folks with more than one BE have slave BEs, not 2 masters

[20:20:53]

Juski:

2 master BE.. on the same subnet... bad?

[20:21:02]

laga:

Juski: run mythbackend --resched

[20:21:30]

Juski:

all upcoming recordings are back

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Juski:

ok so that fixed it... but why did it need fixed? ;-)

[20:21:51]

laga:

;)

[20:21:52]

laga:

dunno

[20:21:58]

laga:

mine forgets its recordings sometimes, too

[20:22:08]

laga:

doesn't happen often, though. and i didn't investigate

[20:22:16]

Juski:

last time upcoming disappeared, I scheduled a new recording.. after that, all was well again

[20:22:22]

Juski:

this is with mysql4 too

[20:22:38]

Juski:

I think this warrants some investigation after the show

[20:22:53]

laga:

once you got over your hangover ;)

[20:23:33]

Juski:

I'm pretty sure that last time it failed.. sunday, I'd taken the umbongo box down to put the case back together

[20:24:05]

Juski:

well I'll not lose any sleep over it, since there's a workaround ;-)

[20:24:14]

laga:

heh

[20:25:36]

stuarta:

mmmm this frozen beer glass is working a treat....

[20:26:19]

Juski:

wonder if this does have anything to do with the other master BE. never saw it til I started dicking around with another box

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Juski:

ooo we have machine spec cards that stand up by themselves now

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Juski:

spec sheets describing the demo boxen :)

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stuarta:

that makes lots more sense

[20:45:05]

laga:

claim they're 486 boxen. nobody will steal them then

[20:45:28]

Juski:

nobody would ever steal an athlon 800 thunderbird, shurrrrley

[20:45:46]

Juski:

well apart from maybe scopeuk.. serious upgrade for him :-P

[20:46:29]

laga:

heh

[20:46:39]

laga:

he prolly couldn't read it

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laga:

;)

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Juski:

the heat I get in this room I'm seriously thinking about down grading

[20:47:10]

laga:

undervolting might work

[20:47:51]

Juski:

yeh it might. if I didn't keep buying crap motherboards

[20:48:01]

laga:

hehe

[20:48:21]

laga:

mythshutdown and friends worked fine for me yesterday. now it won't shutdown anymore. :/

[20:48:45]

laga:

*sigh*

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Juski:

promo materials... done!

[20:55:57]

Juski:

and now it's beer 'o' clock :-D

[20:56:35]

stuarta:

indeed.

[20:59:02]

gnychis:

can someone please better explain xmltv to me? do they have their own listings? like is it an alternative to zap2it?

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laga:

are you in the US?

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laga:

<3 beer

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laga:

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Juski:

hmmm beeer!

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Juski:

god, I'll be getting out of bed in ummm 7 hours

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erubright:

hello all! I currently have 1 backend with 2 tuners. I'd like to re-configure, so I have 1 MBE(with no tuners, this is NOT my current backend) and 2 slave backends(1 tuner each).

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erubright:

what confuses me is that the backend I currently have...will become a slave backend

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Juski:

that's nice. why?

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erubright:

so how do I configure this

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Juski:

just set up the new master BE...

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erubright:

it will become the new MBE?

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mchou:

erubright: simple. point the (new) slave BE to the MBE

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Juski:

then tell all the other BEs that they're not the master, by pointing them at the 'master backend IP address'

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erubright:

ah....ok

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erubright:

not difficult

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erubright:

thanks

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Juski:

YMMV. pleh

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mchou:

damn, this is getting ridiculous

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erubright:

also...the new MBE...will have no tuners....

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erubright:

thats alright now?

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mchou:

erubright: by definition BE have tuners

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mchou:

if it doesnt have a tuner it's not a BE

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mchou:

or at least a "video source"

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mchou:

i.e. something like firewire

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erubright:

yeah...thats what one of my backends uses...cuz its hooked to the Comcast cable box

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erubright:

it sits in the home theater room....this MBE...i wanted to sit in the server room

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erubright:

cuz the kids like to watch Comcast On-Demand

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

rich rids

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gnychis:

laga: sorry, i am in the US

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erubright:

yeah....little spoiled.... ;-)

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mchou:

erubright: send some $ over here :)

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mchou:

erubright: I'll be your kid

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erubright:

hehehe....i feel like 3 is enough

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laga:

gnychis: zap2it should be the best thing to use thing. xmltv does provide listing grabbers for a lot of countries. but zap2it is likely the best solution.

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laga:

s/use thing/use//

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mchou:

I'm surprised there has been no power outtages yet here this summer

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mchou:

figure with the record heat wave we'd have at least a couple by now

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laga:

beer o'clock

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CyberKnet:

afternoon all

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CyberKnet:

thought I'd get on here a little earlier than normal to try a few people at work before they leave for home =P"

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Beirdo:

oh wow

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Beirdo:

it's CyberKnet

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CyberKnet:

yep

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CyberKnet:

it's me.

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Beirdo:

heh

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CyberKnet:

I've been trying to catch you for quite some time =)

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Beirdo:

yeah, at really late times at night, etc :)

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CyberKnet:

but ... you're always otherwise occupied in the evenings these days

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CyberKnet:

=))

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Beirdo:

but of course

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CyberKnet:

heheh

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CyberKnet:

which is great, of course.

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CyberKnet:

went and bought some bottles and a bottle capper

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Beirdo:

nice :)

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CyberKnet:

decided the ginger beer recipie wasn't going to carbonate without yeast, so I went and got some yeast

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laga:

hi CyberKnet

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CyberKnet:

hey laga =)

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laga:

:)

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laga:

long time no see, iirc

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CyberKnet:

Laga: you rc

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Juski:

almost time to unplug this monitor & say gubbaye

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Beirdo:

mmmm, yeast

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CyberKnet:

laga: new work == no irc during work hours... but much nicer work environment

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CyberKnet:

Beirdo: but after being in the ginger-lemon-sugar-water solution for 24 hours, I'm not sure I see any activity

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laga:

CyberKnet: ah, nice. sounds paradox, but it's ok if it works for ya ;)

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laga:

Juski: make sure to take some pictures, ok?

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CyberKnet:

I'm wondering if the lemon acidity might have kille the yeast, or if I used not enough yeast.

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Juski:

aye dunno about uploading em though

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Beirdo:

hmmm, I'd prime it in warm sugar water, personally

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Beirdo:

once it's going strong, THEN add it to the rest

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CyberKnet:

define "going strong"

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laga:

Juski: heh, next week will be OK, too

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CyberKnet:

how do you determine activity?

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Beirdo:

bubbling and being obviously active :)

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Juski:

yuh like I care.. :-P

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CyberKnet:

yeah, I thought bubbling was one of the signs of activity

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CyberKnet:

how long should it take to activate aka bubble?

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Beirdo:

with good yeast, warm water with plenty of sugar? Maybe 20 minutes until you know it's going

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Beirdo:

lukewarm, not hot

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CyberKnet:

hmmm...

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CyberKnet:

I made the water at room-ish temp. didn't feel warm or cold to the hand.

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Juski:

hmm better have one last thinks before I pack up. otherwise a 160 mile round trip if I forget owt

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Beirdo:

that should be OK

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Beirdo:

the lemon may have slowed it down

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CyberKnet:

by 10 hours?

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CyberKnet:

I mean, I don't see a single bubble.

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Beirdo:

could also be dead yeasties to start with

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CyberKnet:

make that about 20 hours.

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laga:

Juski: got your camera/jack daniels/mythtv boxen/knoppmyth swag/shirt/cigs?

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Juski:

laga: yup

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Juski:

I hope not too many of those cds are useless.. might be kinda a lucky dip with me on the case

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Beirdo:

Mmm, JD

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Juski:

though it _is_ knopp after all ;-)

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Juski:

don't worry though folks, these cds will not, I repeat NOT flash your BIOS irrevocably

[22:03:34]

Juski:

I hope

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laga:

no warranties *shrug*

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Juski:

YMMV ;-)

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Juski:

oo my keyring laser/torch thing. might come in handy

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Juski:

right

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Juski:

time to be off. take care you guys.. and maybe I'll see some folks from here at the stand

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Juski:

ta-ta for now :)

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laga:

Juski: have fun!

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Juski:

oh I will :)

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Juski:

g'bye!

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laga:

heh

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laga:

bye

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Juski:

shit

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CyberKnet:

sup xris

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DrMitch:

is there a way to disable the joystick while in mythfrontend?

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DrMitch:

or do i have to rename joystickrc and restart the app?

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GreyFoxx:

rename and restart I believe

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SKreme:

Hi! I was wondering if someone could help me out

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SKreme:

I am interested in getting into linux. I have never used it before aside from trying out knoppix

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SKreme:

Aside from just learning how to use it, I would like to set up my linux box to be a PVR

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SKreme:

in addition I would like to use it to tunnel into when I am using insecure hotspots

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SKreme:

I read up on linux distros and it seems like ubuntu or mandriva would be my best bet as a beginner

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laga:

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SKreme:

How hard is it to get mythtv to work on those?

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SKreme:

am i better off getting mythknoppix?

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laga:

it's calld knoppmyth :)

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SKreme:

sorry that's what i meant

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laga:

if you're gonna do vpn-ish stuff, then knoppmyth might not really be the best thing. it's based on debian unstable (and the default install hasnt been updated in a long time, at least when i tried it back in april).

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laga:

anyways, you'll have a steep learning curve if you're new to linux

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SKreme:

how long does it take ususally?

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SKreme:

Am I better of getting knoppmyth and learning how to use linux a bit and then reinstalling ubuntu when I get the hang of it a bit?

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SKreme:

also, right now I have a usb2 tv tuner (ATI). I haven't bought a internal hardware card (yet). I was wondering whether linux will recognize the ATI USB2 TV tuner or how can i find out if it does?

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SKreme:

Anyone here that can help me???

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DrMitch:

plug it in and see

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laga:

SKreme: yeahm, that might be a good idea.

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DrMitch:

dmesg before plugging it in and after

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laga:

not sure if mythtv/linux will work work with your card.

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