Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, July 19th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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sloncho:

all docs i read says that this is more than enough

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GreyFoxx:

what a collosal waste of space :)

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sloncho:

so, on big drive, make it and forget it :)

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kormoc:

sloncho, I tend to set swap to 64 megs, if it gets full, I increase it

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sloncho:

GreyFoxx: yeah – almost 15 min recording :), and a huge 60$ :)

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sloncho:

.60$

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GreyFoxx:

That almost an hours recording

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GreyFoxx:

and seriously , unneeded

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GreyFoxx:

if you on amodern machine need more than 300Meg of swap you have some serious configuration problems

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sloncho:

yeah, whatever :), I use 1G and happy

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sloncho:

ok, now, as we all configured this lvm, pls help me with the stupid sound

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sloncho:

now its more a chalenge than anything else

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sloncho:

either i'm hitting a bug, or doc bug, or i do something really stupid

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jarango:

pvcreate seems to work if I specify a drive instead of a partition

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kormoc:

fair nuff

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kormoc:

given it's an empty drive, might as well give it a shot

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jarango:

how about XFS vs JFS ?

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kormoc:

jarango, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JFS

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scopeuk:

hi all

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scopeuk:

hows it going?

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gardengnome:

just fine, and for you?

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scopeuk:

good ta

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scopeuk:

little ticked off

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scopeuk:

my gfx failed a cupple of days ago

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scopeuk:

so im stuck o na crap 500 mhz thing

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scopeuk:

that ive had to put xp on becouse i cant fidn my other install disks

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gardengnome:

darn that sucks

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scopeuk:

yup

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scopeuk:

pci x beign the only type of graphics slot i dont have a spare for and itdoesent seam to liek my (old) pci one

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gardengnome:

especially the xp part ;)

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scopeuk:

also means i dotn ahve access to all my book marks rss feeds irc setigns etc etc etc

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scopeuk:

gardengnome yup

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scopeuk:

i wanted to go to knoppix for sped ofsetup but my discs have vanished (i have about 12)

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gardengnome:

download them again?

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scopeuk:

yeh might do sometime

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scopeuk:

think i may be able to live with xp until lsuch time as i get my gfx replaced

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scopeuk:

furtunately i have all my media content stored on my myth box

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scopeuk:

so i still have entertainment

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scopeuk:

temptign to stick the gig of ram out of my box into this system

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Bond:

has anyone here used knoppMyth? is it any good?

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scopeuk:

define good?

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scopeuk:

its quike and straight forward if your usign a "standard" setup

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scopeuk:

if your doign somethign unusuall it will eb a pain

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Bond:

ok so i want mythgame and mythweather and probably mythweb

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scopeuk:

pre installed

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Bond:

would i be better off using a different build of linux or would knoppmyth be ok

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scopeuk:

you jsut want myth and those plugins knoppmyth will be fine

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scopeuk:

mine quite happil runsn that and a cupple of php bassed web applications

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Bond:

ok. i don't know that much about linux but i figure it can't be too tough to learn the basics

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scopeuk:

then knoppmyth ay be a good start

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scopeuk:

myth without knowign anythign is a hell ofa crash course

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Dagmar:

Probably not the sane way to learn linux

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scopeuk:

im with Dagmar on this one

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Dagmar:

Some of the pitfalls I *know* newbies have no chance against

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Dagmar:

They're likely just to run screaming back to Windows and SpunkStream or whatever that app is called

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Dagmar:

I had to diddle my PCI latency this morning because I found out that if I crank up the res on both of the 500's tuners at once, it most definitely chokes my IDE controller to death.

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scopeuk:

lol

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scopeuk:

Bond you ever installed windows/a linux distro at all?

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scopeuk:

ifyou can handle either you can probably cope with a knoppmyth install

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Dagmar:

I musta put a dozen printk's in the kernel to figure it out

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Bond:

yea, windows like 5x

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Bond:

i keep wiping my harddrive

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Bond:

it's a bad habit i have

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scopeuk:

its a good practice

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Bond:

never installed linux

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Bond:

used it a few times

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scopeuk:

windows should be reinsstalled every 12 months or so

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scopeuk:

you'll be fine with knoppmyth

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Dagmar:

Well, at least with Linux if you're careful about not screwing up your package manager's inventory, you don't have to worry about blindly reinstalling it like Windows

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Bond:

haha, except you have to call them on the phone

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scopeuk:

it makes things bleedingly obvious as it goes along

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sloncho:

ok, i give up. when trough the troubleshouting steps. aplay does not produce sound as well, so i do not know what to think

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sloncho:

is there a way to run mythjobqueue as daemon. i do not see -d option with --help

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kormoc:

sloncho, the backend runs that I thought?

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Bond:

so wait dagmar how well does the 500 work, and do you have to buy a splitter or are the two tv-in connections bridged

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sloncho:

kormoc: ?

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Whyvas:

anyone know how to fix my tv going all screwy when anything goes into fullscreen?

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Whyvas:

im using nvtv

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scopeuk:

does it change the resolution when it goes full screen?

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Whyvas:

would setting up my monitor in the xorg.conf fix this junk?

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scopeuk:

and how are you conenctign to the tv physicaly

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kormoc:

sloncho, doesn't the backend run the job queue?

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Whyvas:

well i set the resolution with xranr at bootup

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Whyvas:

to 800x600

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scopeuk:

yes but when an app goes ful screen it takes over hte resolution

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Whyvas:

then i have another little script that sets nvtv to 800,600 as well

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scopeuk:

so if it is set diferently that could make it go "screwey"

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Whyvas:

can i force stuff to use 800x600?

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Whyvas:

remove all the other options in xorg.conf?

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scopeuk:

normaly in program options

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scopeuk:

no leave your xorg if its working

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Whyvas:

well i want the apps to go fullscreen

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scopeuk:

yes look in the app options

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sloncho:

kormoc, yes. do u suggest to delete the capture card and run the backend?

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scopeuk:

any particular app?

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Whyvas:

fceu

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scopeuk:

sloncho kormac jsut left

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Whyvas:

all the games

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scopeuk:

fair enough

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Whyvas:

they start in a window that's too small

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scopeuk:

cant rearly help you much with them

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Whyvas:

when i try fs, BAM!

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Whyvas:

anyone know which xorg config file is the default one? or how can I find out which config file is being used?

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Dagmar:

Whyvas: It depends on a number of things, actually.

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Dagmar:

1. What version of X are you using? Xorg, or XFree86?

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Whyvas:

nvidia card

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Whyvas:

xfree i think

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Bond:

hey can someone explain XvMC to me? Is it worth buying an nvidia card to use it?

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Dagmar:

Whyvas: If you don't know even that much I can't help you. A stab in the dark: Type `man xorg.conf`

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Dagmar:

Bond: XvMC is worth it

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Dagmar:

...especially if you're strapped for CPU power.

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Bond:

i heard something that XvMC doesn't work with athlon64 or something, is that true?

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Whyvas:

it's the default from knoppmyth

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Dagmar:

nope.

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Whyvas:

there's XF86Config's in the /etc/X11 dir so im guessing Xfree86 ?

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Bond:

dagmar, do you think then a sempron64 1.8ghz and 512 megs of ram would be enough to support all the functions of a pvr-500?

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Dagmar:

BNond: Read http://www.linuxis.us/linux/media/howto/linux-htpc/video.html ... The first couple of paragraphs outline (in kind of a backwards way) what XvMC doees

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Dagmar:

Bond: Notably it'll happily deinterlace for you on a TV now

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Bond:

ok ill read it now

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Dagmar:

Bond: I should say so. I have an Athlon Pro1800+ with 768Mb of RAM running with a PVR-500 in it right now

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Dagmar:

I had to up the PCI latency on the IDE controller today, but otherwise it'll run both tuners fine

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Bond:

how's the quality?

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Dagmar:

The quality??

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Bond:

of the 500

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Dagmar:

Of what?

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Dagmar:

Oh, it's fine

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Bond:

like video quality

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Bond:

ok good. what did you have to set the latency to

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scopeuk:

he only did that becouse he has two

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Dagmar:

The ivtv drivers will automatically jack up the latency on the tuner card to 64 if it's set lower than that

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Dagmar:

...but this causes a bit of a problem, in that if both tuners are grinding along at 720x480, they'll choke the IDE controller out of any time to actually write to disk

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Dagmar:

...so you have to jack up the latency on the IDE controller to about 160–196 or so (b0 works)

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Dagmar:

I only have *one* 500, but it's two tuners

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Bond:

right, that's why i want it

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Bond:

can you set the ide latency from the bios, or is there some command

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Dagmar:

On most boards you can set it in the BIOS for _all_ the cards, but not individual ones

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Dagmar:

You use the setpci command to prod individual devices

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Dagmar:

...like , umm.. (C&P'ing) `/sbin/setpci -v -s 00:11.1 latency_timer=b0`

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Bond:

ok cool. by the way, do you need to split the incoming coaxial cable and attatch it to both connectors on the 500?

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Dagmar:

Substitute "00:11.1" as necessary for your IDE controller's BusID

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Dagmar:

Nope

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Bond:

sweet

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Dagmar:

You don't have yours yet or you'd know why

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Dagmar:

One of them is for the cable TV. The other one is for the FM loop antenna

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Bond:

i'm assuming they're bridged?

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Dagmar:

They are

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Bond:

yea i don't have a tuner yet

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Dagmar:

It's only the composite and svideo inputs that are separate

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Dagmar:

I will warn you one bit tho

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Dagmar:

The damn things have two white headers on them (looking for a picture)...

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Dagmar:

There's no mention of which of these you're suppoesd to connect the extra backplate that has the second set of composite and svideo inputs on it

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Dagmar:

http://www.xcomputer.cz/ImageWrite.asp?CO=JT452&FL=1

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Dagmar:

It's the one on the upper right.

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Dagmar:

If ya patch it into the one on the left, you'll wind up improperly connecting two svideo/composite inputs to the same source. Screws the video quality up something awful. ;)

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Bond:

nice

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Dagmar:

...but if you only ever use the coax, screw worrying about it. heh

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Bond:

i guess i should ask why one would need to use s-video in

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Bond:

if you're recording tv

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Dagmar:

If you have something in the way of an external device you wanna use

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Dagmar:

...like a DVD player or something

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Dagmar:

You can just patch it in there and run with it

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Dagmar:

You wouldn't want to plug a video game into there tho.

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Bond:

i was about to ask that

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Dagmar:

The things take a second or so to fill the video encoder buffers.

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Bond:

haha

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Bond:

that would rule

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Dagmar:

So, um, unless you want to go insane, video games are not playable through the things.

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Dagmar:

Heh

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Bond:

i'd love to play games with a 2-second lag

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Dagmar:

it's not two seconds, more like 1.10

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Dagmar:

Not to encourage bad behaviour, but it's juuuust enough that your friends might not immediately notice something is wrong when trying to play a game against you. ;)

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Bond:

haha

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Dagmar:

If you get everyone drunk first, they'll never figure it out

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Bond:

haha

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Dagmar:

Some of my people are still peeved at me about pulling that with "Drunken DDR"

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Bond:

any personal theme choices?

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Bond:

the wiki doesn't have big pictures

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Dagmar:

I'm working on my own, because I depise the menu organization on all of them

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Bond:

haha

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Dagmar:

The themes actually control the menu hierarchies

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Bond:

oh

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Dagmar:

Like, GANT is very cool, but I wanna kill off some of the menu entries so there is never a need to scroll

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Bond:

wow

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Bond:

i see

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Dagmar:

The media-center clone is okay,, but it has no freaking top-level "Watch TV" item. It's buried two menus down

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** GreyFoxx Uses mythcenter on some machines ,blue one 1,and my own theme on a couple others. **

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Bond:

eww

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GreyFoxx:

Dagmar: Not if you use the "Classic" menus

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GreyFoxx:

IT's 1 level down

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GreyFoxx:

"Tv->WatchTV"

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Dagmar:

I'm waiting on an email back from two guys who run "LCARS"-themed websites to find out what kind of crap I could expect from Paramount if I go that route

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Dagmar:

GreyFoxx: So? LIke I said, none of them have the menus the way I want them

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GreyFoxx:

Dagmar: So nothing, I was advising that it didn't have to be 2 levels down, I wasn't saying to had to like it

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Dagmar:

WatchTV, WatchRecordings, and the ProgramGuide need to be top-level menus

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Dagmar:

...at least for me anyway.

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GreyFoxx:

In your opinion. And if you edit the themes it is likely doable

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Dagmar:

No, for me.

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Dagmar:

Not just "in my opinion"

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GreyFoxx:

What the fuck do you think your opinion is if not things you feel should be a certain way ?

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xris:

w00t. h.264 encoding for ipod will be available soon for nuvexport

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Dagmar:

The way you make it sound is as if I'm just on some wild-hare chase.

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Dagmar:

I've actually been sent to classes on UI organization, thankyouverymuch

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GreyFoxx:

So? :)

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Dagmar:

Those are the three most common things I do with the machine, therefore they should flat out be top-level

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Dagmar:

So quit trying to talk down to me.

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Bond:

wait, does knoppmyth need to have the cd to boot?

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Bond:

like, after install

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Dagmar:

Bond: Not after you've copied it to the hard disk and fixed the bootstrap

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GreyFoxx:

Dagmar: You have too much ego for anyone to talk down to you. Anyone expresses anything but bowing at your feet and you get all bitchy

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Dagmar:

GreyFoxx: Dude, quit while you're ahead.

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GreyFoxx:

Why? You gonna come over and beat me up or something ?:)

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Dagmar:

No, because you're being an asshole.

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GreyFoxx:

(Yes, that was meant as a joke)

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Zider:

wow, the level in here just went down 15 years.. :P

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GreyFoxx:

Dagmar: We all get to be one once in a while. Tonight is just my night for it :)

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Dagmar:

Fair enough. :)

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** GreyFoxx has had to deal with highly annoying people all day and is ready to pounce into an arguement easily :) **

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scopeuk:

Zider 15 wow so we were at 18 a while ago?

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scopeuk:

must have missed that bit

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Zider:

scopeuk: a big while ago :P

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scopeuk:

i was at 18 at one point today

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scopeuk:

then someone let me get em in an arm lockits been goign down hill since then

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GreyFoxx:

A part of my mind lives at 18, at least the portion that oggles the ladies :)

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scopeuk:

lol

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scopeuk:

yeh

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scopeuk:

i am 18 so i can get away with it jsut about

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Dagmar:

I prefer aiming for 21.

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Dagmar:

You can get into the fully-nekkid bars that sell by the drink then

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scopeuk:

21 requires an element of mturity

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scopeuk:

Dagmar 18 in the uk i belive

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scopeuk:

hell ive been told by a 16 year old im acting imature

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Dagmar:

21 in some places here, and I don't like to take my chances

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scopeuk:

lol fairly regurly

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GreyFoxx:

Hehe 19 here, 18 in Quebec :)

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Dagmar:

It's never fun to be told "come back next year" heheh

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Dagmar:

Man, now i"m probably going to go blow money at the titty bar this weekend.

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Dagmar:

Oh well. Strippers gotta eat, too

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Spicerun:

Ah, the entertainment value. :)

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scopeuk:

lol

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Spicerun:

Anybody here know how to enable XvMC thru the Nvidia binary driver on Xorg?

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Dagmar:

It more or less "just happens"

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Dagmar:

nVidia's binary driver replaces libXvMC

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Spicerun:

I have libXvMC in the /lib directory. Should I delete that?

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Dagmar:

About the only extra step would be to go into the mythtv menus under setup and enable XvMC as the decompressor instead of say, libmpeg2.

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Dagmar:

Spicerun: Why do you have it in /lib?? It shoulnd'r be there

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Dagmar:

Generally, if the nVidia installer didn't have a problem with it, then it's not a problem

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Spicerun:

Dagmar: It's in /usr/lib/X11R7.1/lib

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Spicerun:

the Nvidia xvmc library is there too.

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Spicerun:

Mplayer won't activate xvmc though, when I try to point to it via -vo (unless this is for the non Nvidia lib).

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Dagmar:

Things should be able to do what they're supposed to correctly without serious intervention then

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Spicerun:

Dagmar: ok, thanks...I'll research some more...I need more acceleration out of my Nvidia Geforce FX6200 card w/128mbytes.

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Dagmar:

Pfft. You probably need more card. ;)

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Dagmar:

Those have less power than my 5200 in a couple of ways

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Spicerun:

Figures.

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Spicerun:

I had a Radeon X1600 card w/256mb that I was going to use, but ATI's driver doesn't support Xorg-7.x yet.

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Spicerun:

ok, thanks.

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infringer:

anyone here good with IR?

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Dagmar:

I'm no good at emitting it.

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Dagmar:

I've tried.

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Dagmar:

...or any wavelengths of light for that matter.

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infringer:

seems as if my pvr-150 is stuck in some infanitate loop of sorts I run dmesg and this is what I get --> http://pastebin.ca/91963

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Dagmar:

Oh, you have an lirc problem

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infringer:

yes sir

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infringer:

hehe

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infringer:

emmiting ir would be a talent that people would pay for

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infringer:

lol

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EinsteinTaylor:

infringer: is ur pvr the MCE or no?

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infringer:

non mce

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infringer:

mandriva

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infringer:

silver

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infringer:

remote

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infringer:

odd though the dang buffer is getting filled with zeros like a key is stuck or something but I can assure that is not the case ...

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infringer:

dang buffer overflows even what a vulnerability lol

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infringer:

see look at all the timed out connections

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infringer:

hrmmm I wonder if my buffer aint causing that

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infringer:

lol

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Plex:

hello all

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Plex:

wonder if there's a simple solution to this problem

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infringer:

all left about 3 minutes ago you just missed him

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Plex:

local backend and frontend work fine

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Plex:

(heheh)

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Plex:

talk to each other and everything

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Plex:

but I can't connect w/ remote front end

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infringer:

ok

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Whyvas:

Plex, set the external ip of the backend in the mythtv-setup

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infringer:

errr well are you setting the right ip

[02:34:52]

Plex:

yep

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infringer:

and allowing privlages properly

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Plex:

matches the IP given in the router

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infringer:

for mysql

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Plex:

privs, eh?

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Whyvas:

Plex, you have to set it at two places

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infringer:

yes to the database

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Plex:

yep

[02:35:19]

Plex:

setup

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Whyvas:

and the mysql yeah

[02:35:22]

Plex:

and setup

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Plex:

where are the mysql privs set?

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Whyvas:

fire up phpmyadmin and check it out

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Whyvas:

allow all

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Plex:

apologies, but now you're out of my darwin league

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Plex:

is that an app in fedora?

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Plex:

or terminal

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Plex:

?

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Whyvas:

install phpmyadmin if you don't have it

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Whyvas:

it's a web app

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Plex:

on the backend machine?

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Whyvas:

yeah

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Plex:

ok

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infringer:

$ mysql -u root mythconverg

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infringer:

mysql> grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"192.168.1.%" identified by "mythtv";

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infringer:

mysql> flush privileges;

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Whyvas:

or that....

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Plex:

heh

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Plex:

I can do that!

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Whyvas:

assuming you're .1.x and not .0.x

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infringer:

yes

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Plex:

.1.x ?

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infringer:

version number

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Plex:

of myth? .19

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infringer:

no no not version

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infringer:

I mean IP

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Plex:

ah

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Plex:

ok

[02:38:39]

Plex:

yes

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Plex:

.1

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infringer:

see you're router assigns ips

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Plex:

it's .1

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infringer:

either .2.1 .0.1 and so forth

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Plex:

gotcha

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Plex:

ok, I'll check that out

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Plex:

brb

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infringer:

ok good luck Plex

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Plex:

thanks to you both

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infringer:

you are welcome bud I know the mind farts that the setup can give yah

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infringer:

lol

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tjcarter:

Okay, I have managed to hose knoppmyth

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Plex:

yeah, no kidding1

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Plex:

!

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tjcarter:

between Debian, Knoppix, and Knoppmyth, and the fact that half of the repositories for the above don't work as provided by Knoppmyth, and the need for new versions of certain packages that Knoppmyth had incorrectly built for what I wanted or simply not included... Well, nightmare.

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infringer:

hrmmm...

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tjcarter:

I'm thinking nuke and pave with Ubuntu, which is at least somewhat self-consistent if you stick to releases.

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infringer:

yeah I hear a lot of good about that distro

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tjcarter:

Is there any chance for recovering stuff in /myth or anything like that?

[02:42:46]

infringer:

sure why not burn it down to disc

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infringer:

or something add to an external hdd storage is cheap now

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tjcarter:

getting the data off of /myth is easy, it's just the question of restoring everything later

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infringer:

hrmmm the stack of DVD-R's that I'll loose or another shinny hard drive

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infringer:

lol restore

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** tjcarter isn't much of a mysql person **

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infringer:

ahhh I'm sure its not really nessacary...

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infringer:

database holds what ...

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infringer:

programming info for guide

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tjcarter:

I have a pile of .nuv files which are basically random numbers?

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infringer:

and other settings if you're going to set it up then friggin setup new on a new OS

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tjcarter:

I assume what those are is in the database

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tjcarter:

unless those contain some data as to what's in the files?

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infringer:

tjcarter http://www.prettymad.net/index.php/Convert_My . . . les_to_.divx

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tjcarter:

actually, I wondered why the seperation of TV and video in the first place

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Dagmar:

Because they're two separate streams

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tjcarter:

from a UI perspective, why does the end user need to know this? =)

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Plex:

hmmmm

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Plex:

the mysql codes didn't work

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Plex:

primarily because I can't see the dang screen

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Plex:

does myth have a vnc interface I could get into?

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Plex:

infringer: do I need to reboot after running those codes?

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infringer:

errr no

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Plex:

hrm

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tjcarter:

so if I toss the nuv files back in /myth/tv when I'm done installing Ubuntu, will the new myth with a clean database figure it out?

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infringer:

did you run them on the master backend

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tjcarter:

or do I need to dump/reload part of the database that explains what these nuv things are?

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Plex:

infringer: yes, master backend

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infringer:

tjcarter I dunno for sure... I'd porbably convert em while you have the chance I aint no expert...

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infringer:

so take that with a grain of salt

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tjcarter:

complication: hard drive MAY be starting to lose it. Best to get data off of it now and run with it

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infringer:

hrmmm did you run dmesg > home/mythtv/Desktop/Output.txt

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infringer:

see if you can see anything problimatic

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infringer:

or is the terminal giving you any errors Plex?

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Plex:

no errors

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Plex:

but I'm having a hard time reading it on the TV

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Plex:

any way to VNC in?

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infringer:

... well are all the required ports open on you're firewall?

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infringer:

there should be 3 of them if I remember correct

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Plex:

I thought I read two

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Plex:

6543–6544

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infringer:

yes there was another

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Whyvas:

is vnc setup by default on knoppmyth?

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Whyvas:

err

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Whyvas:

wrong channel

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Plex:

ok, I'm going to plug in my monitor so I can see what's going on!

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Ediehow:

hi friends

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Whyvas:

Plex, i have to do that all the time

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Ediehow:

is it possible to convert from mpeg2 to mpeg4 through mythweb

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Ediehow:

compressing a recording?

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Whyvas:

Plex, just set sshd to run at startup and ssh into the box instead

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Whyvas:

Ediehow, i think you can, something about streams

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Whyvas:

i think it's right in mythweb

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infringer:

plex http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-9.html#ss9.1 only other suggestion sorry man I'm somewhat new to this all myself

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Ediehow:

i dont see it

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Ediehow:

i see the recording

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Ediehow:

under recorded programs

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Plex:

infringer: appreciate the help

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infringer:

I cant get a friggin built in IR port for the pvr-150 non mce yet there are many reports of people getting it working I'm finding that a bit pecuiliar.

[03:01:35]

infringer:

Plex wasnt much help if it didnt solve anything just effort and an attempt to help no thanks needed.

[03:01:37]

Dagmar:

So follow their instructions to the letter.

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Plex:

infringer: so your remote won't work?

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Ediehow:

so does anyone know how to do it through mythweb?

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infringer:

Dagmar I did marksbrain dump numerous times ... prepatched lirc got the firmware for it in hotplug ran the configuration make && make install kinda hard to mess or miss anything I figure but hrmmm then again who knows I could give it another shot things are always better the 11th time around.

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CyberKnet:

xris: Where do you buy your brewing supplies?

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Dagmar:

Yeah, eventually you notice what you've been overlooking.

[03:04:25]

infringer:

exactly

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Ediehow:

is it called transcoding when you convert mpeg2 recording to mpeg4?

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CyberKnet:

Ediehow: yes

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Ediehow:

can i do that from mythweb or console?

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CyberKnet:

Ediehow: yes

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Ediehow:

how from either?

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Ediehow:

preferrably mythweb

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CyberKnet:

nuvexport from the console

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infringer:

I was just supposing to suppose I could get a swift kick in the rear from someone here to stir me in the right direction or someone to lend me there eyes or eyeglasses to allow me see what I missed in front of me.

[03:05:59]

Ediehow:

how about from mythweb?

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CyberKnet:

I couldn't comment on mythweb, I'm too many revisions behind latest

[03:06:19]

CyberKnet:

and I'd not like to give out incorrect information.

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Plex:

Whyvas: I've downloaded that application

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infringer:

yeah transcoding is odd to me when I think transcode I dont think of it that way being that such a thing was normally constituited as encoding for as long as I can remember.

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Whyvas:

Ediehow, it's right on the first page when you log onto mythweb.....

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Plex:

Whyvas: how do I open it?

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Whyvas:

Plex, is a web based app

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Whyvas:

php

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Ediehow:

it is?

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Ediehow:

where?

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Whyvas:

usually fire up firefox and type localhost/phpmyadmin

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CyberKnet:

of course, where localhost is the hostname of your myth box

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Ediehow:

uhh phpmyadmin?

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Ediehow:

oh

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Plex:

Whyvas: guess I have to get it out of tar first

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Ediehow:

Whyvas, i dont see anywhere in mythweb about transcoding

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tjcarter:

infringer: I can't convert them

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tjcarter:

infringer: the tools to do it are not installed, not installable, etc

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tjcarter:

basically, either I can toss the nuv files back at Myth when I reinstall, or I can't.

[03:09:06]

tjcarter:

If I can, I'd like to know how.

[03:09:07]

Ediehow:

rpmq mythweb

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Ediehow:

mythweb-0.19–77.at

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infringer:

dependancies are something you must get used to finding in linux ...

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CyberKnet:

infringer: It's called transcoding because the file is already encoded, and you are transferring it to another encoding

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Whyvas:

stream Ediehow

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tjcarter:

dependencies are something that Debian seems tu fuck up on a regular basis, hence why I haven't been involved with Debian for many years now.

[03:09:58]

Ediehow:

the word stream is nowhere on the first page for me

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infringer:

cyberKnet I understand the principal behind it but it was referenced for quite some time as encoding ...

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CyberKnet:

infringer: if you were encoding raw video, yes.

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tjcarter:

mplayer cannot, as far as I can tell, play a .nuv file.

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Ediehow:

it cant?

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infringer:

everything is transcoding then technically

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tjcarter:

it finds the audio, but not the video

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tjcarter:

(video is just a green square)

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CyberKnet:

infringer: you could make the technical argument, yes.

[03:11:15]

Ediehow:

what should i have nuvexport export it too? i want to make it smallest file size

[03:11:18]

Ediehow:

so i can download it

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tjcarter:

Ediehow: mpeg4 is a good thing for size

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infringer:

but many applications then misinformed users when it says encoding XX% done and such.

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Dagmar:

Ediehow: mpeg4 (divx) is going to be your best bet for making things small

[03:13:21]

Dagmar:

It'll generally slice between 30–50% off the size of each file

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Ediehow:

it says all those are disabled

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Dagmar:

You don't have the codecs then

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Ediehow:

i know i have in the past:O

[03:13:47]

Ediehow:

maybe cuz it's trying to use ffmpeg?

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infringer:

not to mention theres many cheap setop divx players even external hard drive cases that will play divx interestingly enough.

[03:14:11]

Plex:

Whyvas: ok

[03:14:13]

Plex:

why

[03:14:27]

Plex:

Whyvas: it's expanded. which files do I open with the browser? (thanks!)

[03:15:23]

Ediehow:

Illegal division by zero at /usr/local/share/nuvexport/export/generic.pm line 189, <STDIN> line 13.

[03:15:49]

Whyvas:

man im on heroin

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Whyvas:

Plex, what was your question again?

[03:16:15]

Plex:

Whyvas: I've expanded the phpmyadmin

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Plex:

you said it was webbased

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Plex:

which files do I open?

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Whyvas:

hehe

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Plex:

uh oh

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Whyvas:

what were you trying to do again?

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Ediehow:

upgrade fixed it

[03:16:45]

Plex:

here we go

[03:16:46]

Plex:

;-)

[03:16:52]

Plex:

set the mysql privs

[03:16:57]

Whyvas:

ah yeah

[03:17:01]

Plex:

so I could connect w/ remote frontend

[03:17:08]

Whyvas:

go in the mythconverg database

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Whyvas:

on the pulldown on the left

[03:17:30]

CyberKnet:

anyone present brew their own?

[03:17:39]

Whyvas:

beer?

[03:17:52]

Plex:

Whyvas: uh oh. I'm in over my head here!!

[03:17:55]

tjcarter:

I was about to ask that.

[03:18:17]

Whyvas:

did you open the mythconverg database?

[03:18:24]

CyberKnet:

beer, other beverages...

[03:18:30]

Plex:

haven't a clue how to do that

[03:18:41]

Whyvas:

i did beer wine and hard stuff

[03:18:46]

Whyvas:

back in the day

[03:18:58]

Whyvas:

(3 years ago or so)

[03:19:07]

CyberKnet:

Whyvas: Buy any of the bits online?

[03:19:17]

CyberKnet:

(such as a bottle capper)

[03:19:17]

Whyvas:

nope

[03:19:21]

tjcarter:

CyberKnet: in terms of transcoding stuff, I am trying to figure that problem out right now.

[03:19:22]

Whyvas:

local store

[03:19:35]

CyberKnet:

Aha. I bet there's a local store around here if you knew where to look.

[03:19:46]

Whyvas:

CyberKnet, I bought 1 liter plastic bottles for my beer

[03:19:52]

CyberKnet:

Bt ... the internets is at my fingertips... and I am known for being lazy.

[03:19:56]

CyberKnet:

plastic eh?

[03:19:58]

Whyvas:

with plastic twist on caps

[03:20:07]

CyberKnet:

I'd been intending to use glass bottles with crown caps

[03:20:07]

Plex:

Whyvas: haven't a clue how to open that database

[03:20:15]

tjcarter:

CyberKnet: like, how the f*ck you actually save a nuv file into a format that is identifyable (and playable) in the future without half of mythtv installed. =p

[03:20:34]

Whyvas:

well having to deal with all the sediments for so little beer is such a hassle and waste

[03:20:55]

Whyvas:

Plex, did you log onto phpmyadmin?

[03:20:59]

tjcarter:

no mythtranscode, no mythtranscode available, installable, etc

[03:21:03]

CyberKnet:

I'm not brewing beer.

[03:21:25]

Whyvas:

wine?

[03:21:32]

CyberKnet:

I'm going to "brew" ginger beer.

[03:21:40]

Whyvas:

ah

[03:21:45]

Whyvas:

i brewed root beer once

[03:21:51]

Whyvas:

it was pretty good actually

[03:21:53]

Plex:

that's what I can't figure out how to open. I downloaded the application, expanded it into a directory

[03:21:55]

CyberKnet:

Hmm..

[03:21:59]

Plex:

not sure which file to open

[03:22:08]

Whyvas:

Plex, what distro are you using?

[03:22:09]

CyberKnet:

my wife does love root beer. I hate the smell, but I'd think about attempting it for her.

[03:22:14]

Plex:

Fedora

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Whyvas:

Plex, check in your package manager for a binary

[03:22:37]

Whyvas:

it'll install it all at the right place for ya

[03:22:58]

Whyvas:

otherwise, move that directory in your /var/www

[03:23:00]

Whyvas:

i think

[03:23:08]

Whyvas:

i've never installed it like that before

[03:23:39]

** tjcarter wishes he could transcode these--they're all rtjpeg because he was too chicken to see if his Sempron could do mpeg4 **

[03:23:53]

tjcarter:

MAYBE if they were mpeg4, mplayer could figure out how to play them

[03:24:14]

tjcarter:

at least long enough to transcode--I'd lose episode titles and whatnot

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CyberKnet:

tjcarter: did you try nuvexport?

[03:24:57]

tjcarter:

CyberKnet: requires a program that is not installable, nor is source available to rebuild package

[03:25:12]

Whyvas:

tjcarter, http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/mplayer-u . . . /051350.html

[03:25:18]

Whyvas:

the magic of google....

[03:25:29]

tjcarter:

CyberKnet: Knoppmyth / Knoppix / Debian dependency upgrade hell

[03:25:33]

CyberKnet:

requires a program that doesn't have source available?

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tjcarter:

repositories are screwed up

[03:26:11]

CyberKnet:

Maybe that doesn't have source available for the specific version you are looking for to satisfy a dependancy introduced by a third-party compiled binary...

[03:26:18]

tjcarter:

Whyvas: that's not what I'm trying to do, really

[03:26:23]

CyberKnet:

but I can't see how it would require a program whose source is not available...

[03:26:43]

tjcarter:

CyberKnet: because I'm dealing with repositories which are inaccessible, in part

[03:26:52]

tjcarter:

not responding, 404, etc

[03:26:52]

infringer:

tjcarter what program?

[03:27:22]

CyberKnet:

tjcarter: Well, call an apple an apple, and a pear a pear.

[03:27:26]

CyberKnet:

;)

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xris:

CyberKnet: local brewing store, usually. actually, one down by my parents house (it's larger and has more stuff)

[03:28:01]

tjcarter:

infringer: I am trying to take <random-seeming-shit>.nuv on a rather seriously myth-hosed box, get it off said box, nuke, pave, and reinsert the files so that I can actually watch the last week's worth of stuff I've recorded

[03:28:02]

CyberKnet:

xris: you use the EZcap bottles? or do you cap them?

[03:28:03]

xris:

I get my honey from a local beekeeper (cheaper than buying his stuff after he sells it to the grocery stores)

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xris:

CyberKnet: cork

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xris:

but I also have a handful of grolsch style bottles, and a bottle capper

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tjcarter:

a way to make MythTV see/use/properly handle <random-seeming-shit>.nuv would be good

[03:28:53]

CyberKnet:

xris: Aha. i found a ginger beer recipe in mother earth news and am determined to try it... having recently paid over $50 to have a case of 24 bottles of ginger beer shipped to me.

[03:28:54]

infringer:

tjcarter burn em to disk and put them in the directory ...

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xris:

CyberKnet: you still owe me a recipe.

[03:29:13]

infringer:

if it dont work you miss out on a week of tv no big whoop

[03:29:18]

xris:

did I ever give you mine? it's really good.

[03:29:24]

CyberKnet:

xris: indeed, I haven't forgotten. If this one is good, you'll be the first to find out.

[03:29:33]

CyberKnet:

xris: I think so... i probably mis-placed it though.

[03:29:47]

CyberKnet:

the one in mother earth news sounded really good though.

[03:29:51]

tjcarter:

won't that lose title, channel, program data, aspect, framerate, etc info?

[03:29:52]

Whyvas:

SHIT!

[03:30:01]

Whyvas:

my stupid mythtv box keeps freezing....

[03:30:25]

tjcarter:

and wont' Myth just ignore the non-indexed files? I had to find options to not do that with /myth/video etc

[03:30:47]

CyberKnet:

xris: I mean, it's from 1981, but still.. it sounds nice and spicy http://www.motherearthnews.com/library/1981_M . . . /Ginger_Beer

[03:31:02]

infringer:

tjcarter I gave you one...

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Plex:

infringer: we're making progress

[03:31:19]

Plex:

I was forgetting to add the ";" at the end

[03:31:22]

infringer:

you tell me theres no program available and will give me no program name

[03:31:33]

tjcarter:

infringer: I can't use that option. The program doesn't exist, and I can't get it.

[03:31:36]

Plex:

infringer: I thought you were telling me that was the end of that line

[03:31:37]

infringer:

Plex; lol common mistake

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xris:

CyberKnet: that's actually BEER. heh. never seen a fermented recipe before

[03:31:43]

infringer:

no no

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Plex:

infringer: so I did that

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infringer:

thats mysql standard plex

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CyberKnet:

xris: Err... how else do you carbonate it?

[03:32:07]

xris:

CO2 tank?

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tjcarter:

nuvexport is installed, but mythtranscode is not

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infringer:

get used to the semicolon for mysql

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Plex:

infringer: (good to know) when I try to connect I hear the backend grinding away, then it kicks me out

[03:32:26]

xris:

infringer: or G

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infringer:

its required syntax

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CyberKnet:

xris: hmm... we always fermented it

[03:32:54]

xris:

CyberKnet: I could never get anyone but me to drink the yeast-carbonated stuff

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CyberKnet:

xris: I think the alcohol content is negligible...

[03:33:08]

xris:

so I gave up on it in order to share with friends.

[03:33:15]

infringer:

yes or send command switch aint it /G

[03:33:23]

infringer:

or G rather

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CyberKnet:

xris: yeast-carbonation has a different flavor, but I certainly don't mind it.

[03:33:41]

Plex:

infringer: here's another question... where you write "... to mythtv@"192.168.1.%" do I put in the backend IP number there

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xris:

infringer: G returns a "record view" with field:value, and ; returns a table.

[03:33:49]

CyberKnet:

In ginger beer, yeast carbonation yeilds a bit more of a "burnier" taste.

[03:33:59]

CyberKnet:

and I am completely aware that "Burnier" is not a word =P"

[03:34:01]

infringer:

ahhh ok

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CyberKnet:

heh

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xris:

CyberKnet: I use galangal for that. :)

[03:34:16]

CyberKnet:

I'm not familiar with galangal

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infringer:

no no

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CyberKnet:

but i can google it =)

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xris:

it's called "thai ginger", though it's only a ginger cousin and not a ginger itself

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CyberKnet:

hmm.

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infringer:

thats telling it to allow the whole subnet access to the backend

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xris:

it's VERY hot.

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CyberKnet:

What kind of crown capper do you have?

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Plex:

so I leave it at %

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CyberKnet:

(bench or hand)

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xris:

and imho has a nice flavor if you mix it with normal ginger

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xris:

CyberKnet: bench corker, hand capper

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CyberKnet:

xris: nothing better than very hot ginger beer. If it doesn't burn going down, it wasn't strong enough.

[03:35:22]

xris:

capper was a hand me down from my brother in law.. I don't use it very often

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Plex:

infringer: I put it say 192.168.1.% or 192.168.1.222 (etc)

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CyberKnet:

And the burn should always peak about 10s after you swallow

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xris:

CyberKnet: exactly. AWESOME to come in from a hot day of yardwork and toss down an ice cold burning ginger beer. :)

[03:35:57]

xris:

also, it's very good with rum (national drink of bermuda)

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CyberKnet:

The corks hold yeast-generated carbonation in?

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infringer:

thats why it or local area rather hence the @ and %

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infringer:

no no leave it as is

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infringer:

then that way when dhcp assigns you a new IP you can run with it no matter what...

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Plex:

ok, I'll use %

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xris:

Plex: the % is a wildcard.. like * on the commandline

[03:37:36]

xris:

CyberKnet: http://pastebin.ca/92021

[03:38:32]

CyberKnet:

you wanted the post to expire?

[03:39:01]

xris:

CyberKnet: figure I'll save him some drive space

[03:39:16]

CyberKnet:

he retains them anyway afaik

[03:39:23]

xris:

ah

[03:39:35]

CyberKnet:

they just aren't available to view

[03:39:35]

xris:

maybe I'll stop bothering to expire my posts, then

[03:39:47]

CyberKnet:

at least, that was how it was when I spoke with him about a year ago

[03:40:02]

xris:

splat1: poke

[03:40:12]

xris:

maybe he'll turn up

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xris:

assuming that's him

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CyberKnet:

changed from Slepp?

[03:40:54]

xris:

oh, thought it was spl4t or something

[03:41:03]

xris:

I'm probably wrong

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Plex:

infringer: interesting... it finally loaded

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Plex:

(!!)

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CyberKnet:

well, I don't see a Slepp online ... he could have changed nicks.

[03:41:37]

Plex:

infringer: only once inside it said it couldn't connect to backend

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CyberKnet:

Is beirdo just never around in the evenings now?

[03:42:15]

CyberKnet:

since that guy got married... it's like he has something better to do... =P" like he's making up for lost time or something.

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xris:

usually hanging out with the wife when she's off work

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infringer:

cool Plex glade to hear

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CyberKnet:

Like she's more fun to hang out with than us... heh

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infringer:

glad *

[03:44:05]

infringer:

glade to smell

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infringer:

rofl

[03:44:22]

infringer:

sounds like a president bush speech

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xris:

CyberKnet: what do you expect? he's in love. heh

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CyberKnet:

xris: heh

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xris:

w00t. h.264 encoding for ipod.. now to get it plugged into nuvexport. :)

[03:45:12]

Whyvas:

damn i hate slow torrents

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Whyvas:

jesus

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CyberKnet:

h.264 is nice.

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CyberKnet:

h.263 is ass though.

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Plex:

infringer: yeah, moving right along. for some reason it says it can't connect to backend (once it's inside). Very odd. Any brilliance there?

[03:48:08]

xris:

CyberKnet: well, ffmpeg that comes from the fedora packages sucks.. not new enough to work properly

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CyberKnet:

xris: All I've seen is sample video

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CyberKnet:

xris: but it was much nicer than mpeg mpeg4 at the same bitrate

[03:50:02]

CyberKnet:

and better than h.263 at half the bitrate

[03:52:06]

Whyvas:

what's h.264?

[03:52:19]

Dagmar:

Yet Another Codec.

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infringer:

Plex none to offer really but... could be just a bug kinda like the first response you get for updating the channels

[03:53:09]

infringer:

possibly a bug fixable by a delay of x ms or something I dunno man.

[03:53:17]

infringer:

if it works though it works

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xris:

Whyvas: some newish video codec. it's what apple prefers to use for ipod video. I finally got a video-capable ipod, so figured I'd try to figure out how to get it to work with nuvexport.

[04:00:10]

Whyvas:

ah

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Plex:

infringer: yep, it's working!

[04:00:22]

Whyvas:

any apple users in here?

[04:00:22]

Plex:

thanks Whyvas, it's working now

[04:00:32]

Whyvas:

heh sweet

[04:00:37]

Whyvas:

i wish i could do that

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Plex:

Whyvas: used the mysql term tric

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Plex:

kk

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Whyvas:

but im stealing internet from my upstairs neighboors

[04:01:00]

CyberKnet:

nice.

[04:01:08]

Whyvas:

and they only have a 802.11b router...

[04:01:24]

CyberKnet:

you know what they say about beggars ;)

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Whyvas:

i can only get a 300K stream going for some reason

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Whyvas:

i even upgraded the firmware on their router

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Whyvas:

hahahah

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CyberKnet:

"beggars give their upstairs neighbors an 802.11g router for christmas"

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Whyvas:

i know

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Whyvas:

i have one too

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CyberKnet:

are they aware you're stealing their intarweb?

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Whyvas:

it wouldn't be stealing now would it??

[04:02:44]

CyberKnet:

according to them, or according to the cable company? ;)

[04:03:07]

CyberKnet:

I can see how that went down. "Would you like me to secure your wireless network for you?"

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Whyvas:

nope

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Whyvas:

they moved in

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CyberKnet:

heh

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Whyvas:

no passwords nothing

[04:03:54]

Whyvas:

i had just ordered internet too

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CyberKnet:

so you flash upgraded a router that wasn't yours and weren't authorized to access? heh.

[04:04:00]

Whyvas:

cancelled that shit in a hurry

[04:04:24]

Whyvas:

hey man, the fucking thing kept disconnecting and they had the cable company over about 3 times

[04:04:31]

Whyvas:

i knew what the problem was

[04:04:47]

Whyvas:

fixed it and everyone is happy

[04:04:48]

Whyvas:

hehe

[04:05:05]

Whyvas:

not like it's hard to crack wep anyways

[04:05:14]

Whyvas:

i bought a prism card for that sole purpose.

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CyberKnet:

well, I got to go.

[04:05:58]

CyberKnet:

xris, I'll let you know about this recipie when I try it.

[04:06:06]

CyberKnet:

I'll probably order me a crown-capper first though.

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Whyvas:

damn i love 80's tunes

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adante:

how much memory should mythbackend be using?

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Whyvas:

3.8 terabytes

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adante:

seems to be sitting on about 600 meg of resident, don't remember it being that high

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Whyvas:

i only have 384mb in my machine

[04:16:28]

Whyvas:

remember the movie see no evil hear no evil?

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ICE:

does mythtv have support for theora ?

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GreyFoxx:

ICE: Myth uses the ffmpeg libraries, so for playback it supports whatevertheysupport

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sapbeast:

sapbeast not having a good time

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sapbeast:

upgrading my kernel has been alot more work than i had hoped

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Plex:

infringer: it's definitely working now on two separate frontends. Thanks!

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FunnyLookinHat:

I'm compiling mythtv from source and getting the error: "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXv" what lib do I need for this?

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russellb:

libXv ...

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russellb:

believe it or not :)

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FunnyLookinHat:

haha

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FunnyLookinHat:

thanks russellb

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Plex:

here's a question for the group: any way to use a network drive to host videos rather than the backend itself/

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Whyvas:

Plex, use NFS

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Whyvas:

what OS is running on the place where you want the files on?

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Plex:

Whyvas: currently osx

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Plex:

but I can get NFS

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Whyvas:

setup an NFS server

[04:38:41]

Plex:

then just list the directory in mythtv?

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Whyvas:

and mount it to /myth/videos

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Plex:

from inside fedora?

[04:39:00]

Whyvas:

i did that exact setup for my music and pictures

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Whyvas:

you mount them on the backend

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Whyvas:

i think

[04:40:22]

Whyvas:

hmm

[04:40:25]

Whyvas:

no

[04:40:32]

Whyvas:

the setup is in the frontend part

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Whyvas:

?

[04:40:41]

Whyvas:

i dunno

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Plex:

Whyvas: I'll check it out

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Plex:

figured I have to use it first in the host os

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Whyvas:

yeah

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Plex:

then map it in the backend

[04:42:05]

Whyvas:

hmm

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Whyvas:

i would guess front end actually

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Plex:

relly?

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Plex:

ok

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Plex:

I'll check it out

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Plex:

having too much fun using the frontend on this mac mini

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Plex:

that's tomorrow's project

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Plex:

thanks for your help earlier

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Whyvas:

that's where you setup the directories for the music, pics and videos

[04:43:06]

Whyvas:

no prob

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sapbeast:

so uh... has noise filtering been removed from newer ivtv drivers?

[04:43:46]

Whyvas:

no idea

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Plex:

cool. I'll check it out

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sapbeast:

i just upgraded to 0.6.3

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sapbeast:

and its not working anymore

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Whyvas:

the drivers altogether or the noise filtering?

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sapbeast:

i think the noise

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sapbeast:

either that or im imagining things

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sapbeast:

ive already had to re-add all my tuners and channels

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sapbeast:

they stopped working automagically (heh)

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FunnyLookinHat:

I just compiled mythtv and got no errors, but then when I ran mythfrontend i got an error that "libmythtv-0.19.so.0" cannot be opened, does not exist

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sapbeast:

man weird crap

[05:03:03]

sapbeast:

i got all my tuners set back up

[05:03:19]

sapbeast:

but i guess in 0.6.3 they fixed stereo audio, but on my pvr-500 the volume is WAY low

[05:04:49]

Dagmar:

FunnyLookinHat: You have to pay attention to what prefix you pass to configure, man

[05:05:03]

Dagmar:

Betcha you didn't specify this time and it's in /usr/local/lib

[05:05:15]

Dagmar:

Say so *before* you try and "fix" it

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FunnyLookinHat:

Ahh ok. I wasn't aware that someone would write a ./configure that wouldn't work with the default values, heh

[05:06:54]

Dagmar:

It does. The "default" is still /usr/local, which is not so useful anymore

[05:08:07]

FunnyLookinHat:

So what should I be adding to my ./configure line?

[05:08:08]

Dagmar:

If you don't have /usr/local/lib/ in your /etc/ld.so.conf, you get the problem like that

[05:08:20]

Dagmar:

You should use the same --prefix as what the thing was built with the last time

[05:08:33]

FunnyLookinHat:

heh, first time build : )

[05:08:36]

FunnyLookinHat:

Ok I'll google around, thanks

[05:08:50]

Dagmar:

Okay, then add /usr/local/lib to your /etc/ld.so.conf file and then run ldconfig

[05:09:06]

FunnyLookinHat:

well, you see, the lib files aren't in /usr/local/lib

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Dagmar:

The warning, such that it is, is that you should *NOT* expect anything you've put in /usr/local to overrule anything in /usr

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FunnyLookinHat:

so I'll have to search around

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** sapbeast should go to bed before he tries to think to hard **

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sigger_:

woohoo. lirc is workig with my cheapo packard bell IR receiver!!!

[05:20:33]

DrMitch:

lol, i got one o those a LOOONG time ago

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sigger_:

I have had like 3 days of trying to coax lirc to work. SO relieved. WAF was plummeting.

[05:33:27]

sapbeast:

its not on fire yet?

[05:33:40]

** tjcarter may, if he can recover anything of Myth, try to get this Sabrent card's IR to work **

[05:33:49]

tjcarter:

it's a cheap framegrabber though

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tjcarter:

probably uses a bt878 GPIO pin

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tjcarter:

maybe LIRC can cope.

[05:34:46]

tjcarter:

what I'm really looking for is a decent RF-USB media remote

[05:38:57]

sapbeast:

wow i actually found something on it http://www.gatago.com/linux/kernel/9681212.html

[05:39:02]

sapbeast:

im *not* going crazy then

[05:43:41]

Chicago:

tjcarter: Which media remotes are good?

[05:44:19]

tjcarter:

Chicago: I am kinda a fan of the Sony TiVo remote.

[05:45:14]

tjcarter:

Hauppauge made one that was very similar for awhile, I think it's what they shipped with the PVR-350 or something

[05:47:05]

tjcarter:

I think they now ship the remote they use on the MVP with all of their cards nowadays

[05:50:43]

Chicago:

tjcarter: I've been using Myth more lately and really need a remote so I don't have to get off the couch to change the channel.

[05:51:48]

Chicago:

I have a Blackberry and it would be even cooler to have the whole watching TV GUI be able to get controlled through a webpage. That would be even better...

[05:51:54]

tjcarter:

If you have a working IR receiver, Hauppauge sells theirs for $15

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Dagmar:

One4All makes a PVR remote that sells for about $14

[05:53:09]

Dagmar:

Otherwise, wait for December when Nintendo will finally decide to part with copies of Opera for the DS

[05:53:14]

tjcarter:

Actually, the MCE kit is okay other than the windows logo on the remote, very TiVo-Peanut like.

[05:53:28]

tjcarter:

I don't prefer the Peanut remote though

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Chicago:

tjcarter: Now that I started talking to you about remotes, I want to trigger LIRC over HTTP...

[05:55:45]

tjcarter:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.asp?I . . . r+%2D+Retail

[05:55:52]

tjcarter:

that longass link

[05:56:00]

tjcarter:

the one with the remote..

[05:56:06]

tjcarter:

That's the remote I would LIKE to have.

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Chicago:

That is a nice remote.

[05:57:12]

tjcarter:

Yeah, I am considering buying the 250 from Newegg and hoping I get that remote.

[05:57:39]

tjcarter:

It's just $130 when the 150 is like half that

[05:57:47]

mchou:

for ppl looking for good ATSC deals: http://www.compuplus.com/i-ATI-HDTV-Wonder-AT . . . p;refer=deal

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Dagmar:

Chicago: So, myth *has* a telnet interface. Just write yourself a CGI

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tjcarter:

My understanding is the 150 isn't terribly bad anymore

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Chicago:

Dagmar: I hope somebody already wrote it.

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mchou:

tjcarter: 150 is bad compared to digital

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mchou:

in fact I'd go so far as to say 150 tuner suck balls.

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mchou:

pictue quality is virtually unbearable

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tjcarter:

mchou: 250 is better?

[06:00:31]

mchou:

tjcarter: no, all analog tuner pci cards pretty much suck

[06:00:49]

mchou:

a vcr can do better

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Dagmar:

You'll have to pardon mchou

[06:01:16]

Dagmar:

He has exaggeration issues

[06:01:33]

mchou:

Dagmar: bs. that's no exaggeration

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Chicago:

mchou: The 150 I'm using can tune a decent picture only at 720x480 with bitrates between 7,000 min & 10,000max.

[06:01:40]

tjcarter:

My current box has ONE PCI slot.

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Dagmar:

You're making blanket statements about "all" cards.

[06:01:52]

tjcarter:

it's full size, but there's only one slot

[06:02:02]

Dagmar:

If you can't see the flaw in that, you have exaggeration issues.

[06:02:11]

tjcarter:

so pretty much I have to pick one card that is going to work well.

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mchou:

Dagmar: thates cause I've tried all NTSC cards

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tjcarter:

Currently I'm using this framegrabber that's pretty cheap

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tjcarter:

mchou: I can't afford an ATSC-only solution.

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Dagmar:

mchou: Doesn't change a thing

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Chicago:

The next card I buy is going to have be an encoder & decoder combo card.

[06:03:04]

tjcarter:

it involves basically buying a new box =)

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mchou:

Dagmar: bs. I said the tuner sucked. I didnt say the svid-in sucked

[06:03:35]

mchou:

Dagmar: and hence the VCR comment

[06:03:39]

Dagmar:

No, you said "all analog tuner PCI cards pretty much suck"

[06:03:58]

mchou:

Dagmar: right, "analog tuner"

[06:04:08]

mchou:

Dagmar: read it again

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Dagmar:

I'm having no problems out of my PVR-500

[06:04:16]

mchou:

Dagmar: lol

[06:04:18]

Dagmar:

...but of course now you'll probably accuse me of being blind

[06:04:30]

Dagmar:

...and I own nine different tuner cards.

[06:04:30]

mchou:

Dagmar: no, just low standards

[06:04:43]

Dagmar:

*plonk*

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mchou:

Dagmar: good riddance

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tjcarter:

mythtv-backend: Depends: mythtv-common (= 0.19–0.10) but 0.19.0–4_km_i586 is to be installed

[06:05:25]

tjcarter:

E: Broken packages

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** tjcarter sighs **

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tjcarter:

there is no mythtv-common 0.19–0.10.

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Dagmar:

After the screwing around I did to get a nice color bar chart on a DVD so I could test these things, I'm not going to take that kind of abuse

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sigger_:

I have a low power CPU (EPIA 600Mhz). I've got a DVD stored as an .iso and xine complains about losing too many frames. Would get better picture quality if I converted the main VOB to another (compressed) format and played the compressed version?

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sigger_:

Seems illogical as there's more work to be done with the decompressing

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Dagmar:

sigger_: You need a faster CPU.

[06:06:50]

Dagmar:

600Mhz is really pushing it for the amount of data on a DVD.

[06:07:07]

Dagmar:

Maybe if you actually burned it to a DVD instead of making the kernel seek through a file and emulate one

[06:07:40]

Dagmar:

If you ripped it out to mpeg or divx, maybe you could reduce the CPU usage even more

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sigger_:

well, I'd like to have access to a bunch of these and don't wanna have to change dvds. thats the reason I got started with myth

[06:08:39]

sigger_:

mpeg and divx less cpu intensive? much loss?

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Dagmar:

DUnno how you've got your system built so I can't speculate.

[06:10:28]

Dagmar:

Rip one and see.

[06:10:36]

tjcarter:

hmm, that ATI card is MPEG2 hardware device?

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sigger_:

good point.

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tjcarter:

crap, network go byebye

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tjcarter:

freenode SUCKS.

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tjcarter:

okay, I have this mysql backup thingy now, so MAYBE when I nuke and pave tomorrow, I'll get what I need

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Dagmar:

@#$@#$ FINALLY

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Dagmar:

I've been looking for this damn reference data site for like a month ftp://ftp.tek.com/tv/test/streams/Element/index.html

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Dagmar:

Lots and lots of mp2 test files for vetting codec builds with

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ivor_:

sigh. is it friday yet?

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ivor_:

sigger_: are you using xxmv in xine?

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ivor_:

s/xxmv/xxmc/

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emja:

If I have xscreensaver running, how do I configure lirc to stop the screensaver when a button is pressed?

[09:38:15]

emja:

do I have to program a specific button, or can I have *any* button deactivate the screensaver?

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emja:

ahh.. never mind. it's all automatic

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k-man:

which table contains the programs that are scheduled to be recorded?

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stuarta:

i believe it's recordmatch

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k-man:

hmmm

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k-man:

well, something happened with my data

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k-man:

and now Planet Earth appears every night in the epg when in fact its only on on sundays

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k-man:

how can i force a flush of all the data?

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k-man:

so that next time i run mythfilldatabase it gets fresh data?

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stuarta:

i'd check your recording rule for planet earth

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stuarta:

see if it's set to record every day.

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k-man:

ok

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emja:

can anyone tell me how to transcode (or whatever) from a DVD iso to an avi?

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k-man:

its on channel record

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k-man:

but that doesn;t explain why all of a sudden plant earth is appearing every day

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gardengnome:

emja: in mythtv?

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emja:

yup

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emja:

not that I mind doing it from a shell prompt

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gardengnome:

sorry, dunno about mythtv

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gardengnome:

it might involve mythdvd and mtd *hint*

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emja:

ok, what about from the shell?

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gardengnome:

from the shell? dunno either :) that might involve transcode, ffmpeg or whatever. i prefer dvd::rip, it's a nice gui tool. it can even do distributed encoding.

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emja:

ahh, many thanks

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emja:

I have been looking into transcode

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emja:

I was surprised to find that the config option within mythtv referred only to transcode itself, and not the command line parameters

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gardengnome:

ok, gotta reboot to make use of my new k7 kernel

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gardengnome:

mythtv uses mtd which is some kind of wrapper, iirc

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gardengnome:

wrapper for transcode, that is

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emja:

ok

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emja:

many thanks

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RandomDude15:

how come everytime I restart my computer

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emja:

...yes?

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RandomDude15:

I have to enter mythbackend under root terminal with mythfrontend running to get myth working

[11:49:29]

RandomDude15:

?

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emja:

beats me. you haven't set it up in your startup scripts?

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RandomDude15:

well i shouldnt have to do now

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RandomDude15:

theres also these recordings I want to delete

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RandomDude15:

from the list of recordings

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RandomDude15:

the files are already gone but it still shows them in myth...

[11:54:55]

RandomDude15:

under delete recordings

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RandomDude15:

anyone?

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RandomDude15:

omfg you guys are no help

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drear:

is the following setup plausible: three machines; (a) chrooted backend, (b) frontend, and (c) storage (via nfs etc.), a+b through 10bit ethernet and a+c through 1gb ethernet?

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drear:

10bit=mb

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drear:

10bit=mb=100mb :)

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epoch:

sure it's plausible

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stuarta:

emja: the tool you are after is mytharchive. it's in svn

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emja:

stuarta: thanks

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Juski:

aye aye

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emja:

...skipper

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stuarta:

hey Juski, ready for the weekend?

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stuarta:

gardengnome: at least janneg is in the same country, i might be able to help friday....

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gardengnome:

stuarta: no worries :) i'm currently setting up a virtual machine for him, that'll take some time, too

[13:05:44]

Juski:

nah I'n not all done yet. no way

[13:05:58]

stuarta:

if we have a train strike friday, i'll have plenty of time....

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Juski:

can't do much on it tonight either

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Juski:

corrected a big snafu on the xbox frontend last night.. was still configged to connect to my production backend.. oops

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gardengnome:

are you running svn now?=

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Juski:

nah I left svn alone a long time ago

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Juski:

straight 0.19-fixes

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Juski:

I'd rather have a stable demo system than use svn for the sole reason of showing the menu fades ;-)

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haj:

Juski: how well is the xbox frontend working out for you? it's the xmbcmythtv right?

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Juski:

no it's not xbmcmythtv.

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haj:

oh.. okay :)

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haj:

i'm a bit annoyed with linux on my xbox.. it's damned slow :( never got the mythfrontend working on it though, don't know if thats ok..

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scopeuk:

hi Juski ready for lug?

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** scopeuk should learn to read back **

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Juski:

no I'm not ready

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scopeuk:

gettingthere?

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Juski:

haj: xebian is alright for a machine with 2MB of free ram :-P

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Juski:

you'll be sorry you asked in a minute scokeup ;-)

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scopeuk:

go for it

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scopeuk:

i've got time

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stuarta:

can i?

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scopeuk:

been abandoned

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stuarta:

!trout scopeuk

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** MythLogBot slaps scopeuk with a trout on behalf of stuarta... **

[13:16:40]

haj:

Juski: actually i think i'm going to get a PCI nvidia-card for my linuxbox and run the frontend on that :) i hear that VGA->SCART converters work out nicely.

[13:17:26]

Juski:

I hope it's cooler in there than it is in here today

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haj:

Juski: or a PVR-350

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haj:

3 tuners in one box seems a bit overkill though

[13:17:54]

Juski:

pvr350 == waste of a card IMHO

[13:18:19]

Juski:

can I borrow the trout this weekend, by the way? ;-)

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haj:

okay.. well, it is a bit expensive just for a TV-output :)

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haj:

something like a PCI FX5200 would properly work just fine

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scopeuk:

Juski i may be able to aquire a trout

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Juski:

I've not got much to do, but time is running out

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Juski:

thankfully I'm not at work on friday

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haj:

come to think of it.. i have a voodoo4 PCI... wonder if thats ok for MythTV...

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Juski:

if your system doesn't have an AGP slot I dunno if it'd be high powered enough to get by without acceleration

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haj:

it has.. but i use it as a workstation, with 2x21" monitors also ;)

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Juski:

ddatte

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Juski:

oops.

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haj:

it's a Athlon 64, 3200+, should be fast enough.

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Juski:

and doesn't have a proper slot for a vga card?

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haj:

it has the AGP-slot.. but as i said, it's in use already..

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haj:

and i use both outputs on that card

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Juski:

ah. multiscreen madness & mayhem

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haj:

yeb.. its lovely :)

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Juski:

if you say so

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scopeuk:

and if you like headaches

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Juski:

I can see the point of having mutiple monitors for a workstation, but going multihead just to get a 'free' frontend.. hmmm

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haj:

scopeuk: multiple monitors are easy...

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Juski:

then again I'd not be seen dead with anything that looks like a PC in my livingroom

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Juski:

(or an xbox before you say anything)

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scopeuk:

haj but multi cards are a git

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** stuarta loves multiple monitors **

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** scopeuk too **

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haj:

scopeuk: not really.. afaik you just use 2 X-servers and use the PCI ID to set them up..

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** scopeuk shuders **

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scopeuk:

one x server is bad enough

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Juski:

lol

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** stuarta ponders how to get 4 monitors going..... **

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haj:

Juski: my apartment is quite small.. a 10–15 feet cable from the PC should do it.. and it can live in another room ;)

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scopeuk:

lets jsut say me and x.org conf dont get on

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Juski:

well if I get my bonus for staying with the company I might go dual monitor.. if I have money left over from a holiday

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stuarta:

scopeuk: it's not terribly friendly, i'll give you that...

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Juski:

haj: 10–15 ft of cabling.. yuk.. anyway have fun with that

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stuarta:

2 monitors is the best thing for code development...

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Chicago:

I have a PERL question. I'm writing a CGI script to remote control Myth from my Blackberry over the WWW... I started working on it a few hours ago. My question is, am I forced to open the telnet connection to the remote control interface for each keypress I want to send from my Blackberry? Or can I have a "session" of some sort with my CGI script so that... if I call the cgi script at 10:30 and say "change to the chappelle

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Chicago:

show" that at 10:35 when I want to remotely turn the volume up, I don't have to open a new telnet connection.

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scopeuk:

Juski thats nothing

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scopeuk:

we have a 50m one we use for lans in one of my friends garages

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haj:

Juski: I use a IBM P260's that i got for free... i was going to get a 24" LCD, but now i'll wait a couple of years until these CRT's die.

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Juski:

this isn't #I've_got_the_biggest_cable_schlong

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stuarta:

scopeuk: think he's talking about 10–15ft of vga cabling

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scopeuk:

fair enough

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Juski:

10–15ft of svideo cabling.. :-/

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scopeuk:

50m cable is fine till you have to put the damn thing away

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Juski:

50m of any length would be _fine_ til you had to put it away.. lol

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haj:

:)

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sigger_:

Chicago, I've worked on something similar for music (www.ampache.org). absent doing everything with javascript and ajax (which BB may or may not fully support), you will want to open and close the session each time. afk 1 hr if you want to discuss

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Chicago:

sigger_: I'll wait for you to discuss it with me. There are others in #perl that recommend a persistent daemon and then a transient CGI using POE::Component::Server::HTTP which may be more elegant. I want to hack it out.

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scopeuk:

Chicago persistant server daemon on the myth box converting your telne conenction to a cleaner perl interface then link to that from a thin client on the black berry?

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Chicago:

scopeuk: Yeah, it's a Blackberry 7130e... I can get it to respond to keypresses in less than 2 seconds over-the-air.

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scopeuk:

nb at at all

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scopeuk:

although that sort of latency whould hack me off ifi was tryignto nav menus with it

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Juski:

less than 2 seconds? as quick as that? :-/ pardon my snydeness

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scopeuk:

Juski depends what your doing

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scopeuk:

my myth web has been known to take logner than that

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scopeuk:

schedulign etc it whoud be fine goign through menus whould make you wanan rip your head off wit ha plastic tea spoon

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Juski:

waiting for the EPG to load in mythweb makes me wanna do that at the best of times

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stuarta:

it pegs firefox at 100% for about 30s

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Juski:

but at least I know stuff if being done about that

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Chicago:

Part 2 of this would be to get some of the TV listings into the blackberry... then instead of waiting for that 2 second delay... make a hybrid remote interface where some of the tv listings get sent to the blackberry when it calls the cgi... and then when you choose what you want to watch... only the keypresses for the channel change are relayed.

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Juski:

s/if/is

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stuarta:

i just seen a book about jython....

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stuarta:

the evil love child of python & java *shudder*

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Juski:

aren't there enough programming languages already? sheesh

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** gardengnome grinds his teeth **

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stuarta:

why on earth would you want to write python & byte compile it across to java?

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Juski:

alternatively.. why on earth would you want to do anything in java? :-p a moot point, here at work

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stuarta:

motion 2nd'd

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Chicago:

scopeuk: Alot of the scheduling is already easily done with MythWeb in a nice WML markup.

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stuarta:

i really dislike java, mainly because of the jvm's

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scopeuk:

that is a point wh dont you jsut use myth web?

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Juski:

nah reinventing the wheel is way more fun

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Chicago:

scopeuk: I haven't figured out howto use mythweb to change the channel or volume, etc...

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scopeuk:

adn the big question ow many times have you been told java is now as fast as c ;-)

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** scopeuk ducks **

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gardengnome:

Chicago: there are a few projects, for example some java stuff, that lets you change channels

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stuarta:

scopeuk: a few, don't care really. can't stand the 2m load time for the jvm

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Juski:

got the sun jvm on this box.. and when it loads I can't do much else. oh.. was I supposed to install another 1GB of ram, just for some shitty java app? damn

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Juski:

be nice if 'platform independent' didn't actually mean 'just as crap on every box'

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scopeuk:

wget is platform idependant lol

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scopeuk:

compiles nicly on windows

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scopeuk:

and if it compiles on linux and windows it will compile jsut fineon a mac

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scopeuk:

(modern mac)

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Chicago:

gardengnome: scopeuk: How can I pull the current volume level? If my frontend is at 80% I only want to be able to have the remote interface add 20 percent max... is there a way to pull the status of the volume? This would also help for creating preset volume levels through the remote interface... because if I typically use 36 percent 60 percent and 90 percent... I won't know how many "key bracketright" or "key bracketleft"

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Chicago:

signals I need to send.

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scopeuk:

you could maby parse the output of one of the console mixer apps

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gardengnome:

yeah

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gardengnome:

amixer might be good

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gardengnome:

dunno how to do it in mythtv, though

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Juski:

awww work won't let me borrow a huge plasma

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scopeuk:

will they let you have it ?

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Juski:

apparently the last show they did, some grunts dropped one

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scopeuk:

lol

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sapbeast:

too many computers ftl

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sapbeast:

my ups says im using 650 watts of power

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scopeuk:

thats gonan lead to one mesy electric bill

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Juski:

hrm it's still not beer 'o' clock yet

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sigger:

Chicago: in office and settled if you need me

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Chicago:

Hi sigger

[15:11:10]

sigger:

hi

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DGnome:

Juski: it's allways beer 'o' clock :)

[15:12:11]

qu0zl:

or at least 'hidden shoulder of whiskey in your desk drawer' o clock

[15:12:20]

kslater:

strange thing – I have a Myth on FC4 box with frontend only. If I attempt to run fe as user mythtv the box goes nuts trying to connect to local db and backend. If I run as root, works fine against remote b/e. Thoughts?

[15:12:32]

sapbeast:

and this is still pissing me off... i cant figure out why im getting data corruption here

[15:12:44]

sapbeast:

i solved my old data corruption problem and now i have a new one

[15:14:17]

Chicago:

sigger: Well, basically I have an interface to send control commands over the blackberry through the internet into a cgi script that opens the telnet connection to the frontend, issues a command... then closes the telnet connection when its done.

[15:15:19]

sigger:

eh, ok. sounds like your good.

[15:16:04]

Chicago:

sigger: That was the easy part...

[15:16:28]

sigger:

aha. ok what's the hard part (getting it to work ;) )

[15:17:39]

Chicago:

sigger: The design is poor though because I'm opening a new telnet connection to the frontend each time I want to send another control signal. Do you know howto use POE-Components to open the telnet connection only once... and then wait for any new control requests to hit a CGI which then passes them to the already opened telnet session?

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sigger:

(a) no I don't know how, but (b) why do you feel the need to? time shouldn't be an issue since webserver and frontend are same computer, right?

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Chicago:

Yes, the webserver and frontend are the same computer. But, since the wireless blackberry control is through a high-latency network(Verizon Wireless) I'd like to keep opening connections to a minimum.

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Chicago:

Also, a layer of abstraction like that would be nice since the webserver is open to the public allowing the blackberry to hit it. Plus, in the event of 800 junk remote-control requests for every 1 real request, I would be able to keep things sane. (I'm totally open and looking for more choices and options here)

[15:33:13]

gardengnome:

what about some basic authentication?

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sigger:

oh, oh, oh. telnet connection is from BB to FE. Thought it was: BB views webpage served by FE (using readily available session technology to "keep it real"); apache/webserver on FE telnets to mythfrontend

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Chicago:

sigger: I should have been more clear. The BB uses HTTP to access the CGI. The CGI uses Net-Telnet to access Myth.

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drear:

again thinking my future setup. is it possible to record on a different machine than the backend via for instance scp, not nfs?

[15:37:53]

Chicago:

gardengnome: HTTPS and a cookie would be nice, I can do that with the Blackberry Internet Browser. Also, .htaccess and basic authentication would be fine too. I'm not too clear yet if I can go further and actually pull the PIN of the BB out of the HTTP headers (secure) and restrict access based on that.

[15:39:15]

Chicago:

drear: You can use Samba. I don't think you can use scp until the backend finishes doing the recording.

[15:41:14]

drear:

Chicago, that's what i thought. nah, i disregard samba. would there be any other solutions?

[15:41:46]

Juski:

why not nfs anyway?

[15:41:56]

Chicago:

Yeah, drear... why not nfs?

[15:42:19]

drear:

Juski, network file system

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gardengnome:

because it's inscure? ;)

[15:42:45]

drear:

Chicago, there are some rumors that it might be instable with 2.6.x

[15:43:05]

drear:

*unstable

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stuarta:

rumours never stopped anyone

[15:43:18]

drear:

true

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sigger:

Chicago: Sorry, still not seeing the issue with the opening/closing of telnets with FE. unless I'm missing it, the telnet open/action/close happens in rapid sequence once the communication via high-latency network has been (authenticated and) completed. To me, keeping telnet open based on possibilityof receiving further communication via high-latency network sounds more troublesome.

[15:45:11]

Juski:

still no good reason has been given for not wanting to use nfs... :-/

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Juski:

anyway I'm out. see you at the weekend

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Chicago:

sigger: Well, the backend reports "NetworkControl: New connection established." everytime I open a new connection to send a keypress. I'm just insecure and uncomfortable having thousands of those added to the log over the course of a week. Things like memory leaks or worse seem like they could be coming for me if I do.

[15:51:19]

Chicago:

Am I too paranoid?

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stuarta:

yes.

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drear:

just one more, then i'll stop: the speed that nfs is able to push is enough?

[15:52:45]

stuarta:

yes.

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Chicago:

drear: I get near wirespeed with NFS.

[15:52:47]

sigger:

sure, a little messy, but I think that's small beans compared to what a bunch of potentially abandoned telnet sessions could do.

[15:52:57]

drear:

k, thanks.

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Chicago:

sigger: As long as the CGI sends a quit to the telnet session than it won't be abandoned ever right?

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sigger:

yup, but higher probability of communication breakdown via Verizon. i.e. higher prob CGI won't get told to quit.

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Chicago:

sigger: Well, maybe you have a better idea in your head of how this should work than I've actually put into code... because the way it works now is the Blackberry goes and gets http://chicago/cgi-bin/remote.cgi and then as long as remote.cgi starts to execute, it can finish executing because it doesn't have to wait on verizon once it's been trigerred... almost like having a http://chicago/cgi-bin/remote.pause.cgi and http://

[16:01:13]

Chicago:

chicago/cgi-bin/remote.guidegrid.cgi and http://chicago/cgi-bin/remote.mute.cgi etc. etc. etc.

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sapbeast:

yay, figured out my problem for the time being

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nikosapi:

If I don't intend to do any recording with Mythtv is it possible to install only the frontend and be able to browse the media on my local hard disk?

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sigger:

Chicago, but you're thinking of having it not quit telnet after each cgi action, right?

[16:05:33]

darren_:

can anyone explain how to configure my channels correctly? In the channel table I have entries found by scanning where channum is a number, name is text and serviceid is a number. I also have a bunch of entries from xmltv grab where channum and name are the same, but no serviceid :/ Maybe I should just throw away all the xmltv generated ones?

[16:05:44]

Chicago:

sigger: Wrong.

[16:05:48]

sigger:

AHA

[16:06:15]

sigger:

will reread what you wrote then

[16:06:37]

Chicago:

sigger: I was thinking of having it only open 1 telnet session... and only close it after a timeout of 2 hours or so... (so that the telnet session is open only so long as I'm likely to be watching the TV...)

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sigger:

errr, so no quit at all then, right?

[16:07:38]

Chicago:

sigger: Having POE-Component-Client-Telnet in there and other parts, I was hoping to make multiple HTTP requests with the blackberry to keep sending new keypresses to the original telnet session.

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Chicago:

siggerr: Right... exactly. No quit at all... unless a timeout of a couple hours, indicating I'm away not watching TV.

[16:08:37]

sigger:

"you're thinking of having it not quit telnet" <- I think you missed the word "not"

[16:08:58]

Chicago:

I'm sorry I have been poor at explaining what I mean.

[16:09:11]

sigger:

or I may be poor in understanding :)

[16:09:17]

Chicago:

hehe

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darren_:

nikosapi, do you have the backend installed anywhere?

[16:11:21]

sigger:

is the overhead (log, normal paranoia over memory leaks) in opening the port your only concern?

[16:11:29]

nikosapi:

no

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darren_:

from my understanding you need it somewhere, but it doesn't have to be the same machine as the frontend

[16:12:23]

Chicago:

sigger: I guess so.

[16:12:26]

sigger:

nikosapi: I really only use for video right now. You can just have backend and frontend on 1 computer.

[16:13:21]

nikosapi:

good, Does it work well? In terms of finding and listing available media?

[16:14:05]

sigger:

nikosapi: well, I can't really tell ya yet. The jury is still out as I'm still getting to know the system.

[16:14:14]

sigger:

I THINK it does.

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gardengnome:

mythmusic is not that good, but it's bein overhauled right now

[16:14:49]

sigger:

Chicago: suggestion: you've already got open/action/close implemented. see if there's any mem loss over time and how bad the logfile gets.

[16:14:52]

gardengnome:

as in "redesign" iirc

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Chicago:

sigger: Okay.

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Chicago:

sigger: What do you thinks a good way to implement the remote control schema? Would you do it like this? http://chicago/cgi-bin/remote-control.cgi?action=bracketright

[16:17:08]

Zider:

hm, shouldn't that be www.chicago.com ?

[16:17:12]

Zider:

or something

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Zider:

just "chicago" seems a bit insufficien

[16:17:25]

sigger:

yeah, ui is apparently being worked on. I'd like to get mythmusic to interface with my ampache so that way I can have easy access to music via the "big screen" or much more detailed through ampache webpage

[16:17:27]

Zider:

t

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Chicago:

Zider: chicago isn't my server... but it's better than using localhost in this example.

[16:17:36]

sigger:

Chicago: yeah that's how I do stuff

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sigger:

it would make it easier to shift to ajax if you're so inclined

[16:19:06]

Chicago:

sigger: So it's logical to call remote-control.cgi, which has internal javascripts which could then be used to access the total remote control language....

[16:19:21]

nikosapi:

Well, do you think this would work: I have a server cramed with tv shows and movies, I'm going to setup linux on a xbox I just bought to be able to mount an nfs share with all the media from the server. From there I wanted something to list all the available movies/tv-shows and be able to scroll through and play them with a remote. I was told my many people that mythtv is the way to do this, I just want to know if it's true

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nikosapi:

..

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sigger:

Chicago, nikosapi: oops afk work

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Chicago:

sigger: Thanks for your help, bigtime...

[16:20:41]

sigger:

my pleasure. this is the fun part. bbl

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nikosapi:

bye

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Beirdo:

cutting the grass in 101F heat index is such a joy :)

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xris:

:(

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AngryElf:

:/ Riding your bike at 21mpg for 90 minutes, developing a crap in your foot to the point you can't walk, and THEN mowing the grass in 95 degree heat is a joy

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AngryElf:

mph

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darren_:

a crap in your foot, sound nasty :p

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sigger:

nikosapi: That is the right picture of system layout. I'm interested in using an xbox too, but I wonder whether its 733MHz processor can handle it. I'm using an EPIA with a 600MHz CPU and it falls a little short for playing an iso of a DVD. gonna try it on mpeg and divx – stay tuned.

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nikosapi:

thanks

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AngryElf:

darren_, :(

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nikosapi:

i will get started on that tonight

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sigger:

please let me know how the xbox works, ok?

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Diabolic:

Does anyone here know if "Pinnacle PCTV Pro" and "Pinnacle PCTV Studio Pro" are the same cards?

[17:07:59]

xris:

Diabolic: no clue. I used to own the first one, thoguh

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Diabolic:

xris: I do now.

[17:09:29]

Diabolic:

xris: And I want to set up MythTV with it.

[17:10:17]

Diabolic:

xris: Did you use it with MythTV?

[17:11:54]

xris:

eys

[17:11:55]

xris:

yes

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xris:

it's a decent card for a frame grabber. not so good compared to something like a pvr-150, though

[17:12:21]

Diabolic:

Mhm.

[17:12:54]

Diabolic:

Is the PVR-150 the best card to use on MythTV?

[17:13:42]

xris:

for analog, yes

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Diabolic:

k

[17:13:58]

xris:

well, pvr-500 for dual tuner.. but it's basically just two 150's

[17:14:05]

Diabolic:

I know.

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Diabolic:

It's very affordable too :)

[17:15:08]

xris:

yup

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xris:

"no card" is best, imho.. as long as your cable company cooperates with firewire.

[17:15:30]

xris:

but that wouldn't help you

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Diabolic:

:)

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Diabolic:

I would need a display card too.

[17:16:01]

Diabolic:

You have any recommandations?

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xris:

nvidia 5200 or 6200

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Diabolic:

PVR-150 MCE LP. MCE = No remote control, rite? But what is LP?

[17:19:29]

xris:

low profile

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xris:

usually $10 more than the normal MCE

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Diabolic:

Hmm.

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Diabolic:

xris: NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 <- ?

[17:21:54]

xris:

yeah, that's great

[17:22:09]

Diabolic:

k, and again: Very affordable :)

[17:22:11]

xris:

6200 is occasionally $5 more and slightly faster.. but for analog tv you woudn't notice a difference

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Diabolic:

k, 34 NOK difference here in Norway :)

[17:23:13]

Diabolic:

That's around $4–5

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xris:

depends on brand, store, etc.

[17:23:36]

Diabolic:

Yep.

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xris:

at that point, pick the card with better tv-out options (break out box with component, etc)

[17:23:59]

xris:

or SCART if you have it.

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Diabolic:

I guess the best reason for purchasing a pvr150 instead of using the PCTV Pro is the hardware encoding?

[17:25:15]

xris:

yeah. it also has better filters and things so the picture actually looks nicer, too

[17:26:16]

AngryElf:

anyone here compiled lirc themselves for an ir blaster?

[17:26:30]

xris:

AngryElf: yes.. via the losdos howto

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Diabolic:

My TV has SCART, yes. But do display cards come with SCART?

[17:26:44]

xris:

Diabolic: dunno. I know you can get adapters, though..

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AngryElf:

xris, i followed that how to perfectly and it still won't work....i've tried the digital cam trick to see if it's even firing and it's doing nothing

[17:27:32]

xris:

AngryElf: then the blaster might be broken

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AngryElf:

i've tried two

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xris:

hmm, lame

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Diabolic:

xris: k, I wondered cause you said I should pick the card with SCART.

[17:28:43]

xris:

Diabolic: well, cards here often come with a breakout box that does svideo, component, etc.. we don't have scart in the US, so I thought they might include adapters where it's actually used.

[17:29:17]

Diabolic:

xris: I've never heard of it.

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Diabolic:

So I guess I have to go for S-video thru a SCART-adapter.

[17:29:46]

AngryElf:

xris, just curious, did you run the losdos script to change lirc to ledxmit or just use the compile options?

[17:29:55]

xris:

AngryElf: the whole thing

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AngryElf:

and another thing — the lircd.conf file is the same thing that's generated by irrecord — same as for receiving signals as sending them??

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Diabolic:

xris: This is good: http://www.asus.com.tw/products4.aspx?l1=2&am . . . ;modelmenu=1 ?

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xris:

Diabolic: no svideo

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xris:

but looks like a decent card

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Diabolic:

Oh, no S-video?

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Diabolic:

Ieek.

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xris:

just composite

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xris:

thought you could get a dvi-scart adapter, though

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Diabolic:

:(

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xris:

if you hold off for a few hours, Juski may pop back in. I know he knows about such things

[17:39:20]

xris:

AngryElf: you need a different lircd.conf file for transmitting (or rather, more entries in it).. depends on your box.

[17:40:34]

AngryElf:

well, the remote i've always used for receiving signals goes with the cable box i'm now trying to blast to.....shouldn't the conf file still be the same?

[17:42:47]

xris:

AngryElf: oh, yeah, maybe

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Diabolic:

xris: I don't find any NVIDIA 6200 with S-video.

[17:43:46]

Diabolic:

xris: But 5200 has.

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xris:

Diabolic: if you're just doing analog tv-out, the 5200 is great

[17:45:24]

Diabolic:

k, I'll go for that.

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AngryElf:

what does this mean? [17181604.328000] lirc_serial: Unknown symbol verify_area

[17:53:39]

AngryElf:

after i modprobe lirc_serial

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Diabolic:

xris: http://www.gainward.net/products/product.php?products_id=32

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xris:

looks decent

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xris:

AngryElf: no clue

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xris:

sounds like something didn't work properly in the linking phase of the compile

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xris:

Diabolic: you have pci-e?

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Beirdo:

fuk

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Beirdo:

my excess flood protection code didn't quite do the trick, I'll have to tweak it

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xris:

:(

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Beirdo:

just did a trac 0.8.3->0.9.1 upgrade

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Beirdo:

the wiki upgrades flooded the RSS pretty good :)

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xris:

oops

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Diabolic:

xris: Dunno.

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Beirdo:

come on, baby, stay running

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Beirdo:

!list

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Beirdo:

whew

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xris:

Diabolic: that looks like agp

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Diabolic:

xris: Yep, but that's not a problem, is it?

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Beirdo:

one more thing

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Beirdo:

more particularly, the DNS one

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Beirdo:

I'm sure it's easy to fix... later

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xris:

finally finding the things that will get ffmpeg's quality up to par

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Diabolic:

k, cause it says it's AGP...

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xris:

Diabolic: that page you sent me to said pci-e

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Diabolic:

5200, 128MB 6,0ns DDR, AGP

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xris:

Bus: PCI-Express

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xris:

http://www.gainward.net/products/product.php?products_id=32

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Diabolic:

Yep, I see that.

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xris:

bad info page

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xris:

it does look like an agp card, though.

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Diabolic:

Yep, it's kinda confusing.

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kormoc:

picture does look like a agp card

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Diabolic:

Cause at my shop I navigated thru APG.

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Diabolic:

AGP.

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Diabolic:

http://www.komplett.no/k/ki.asp?sku=123286&view=detailed

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Diabolic:

Says nothing about PCI-E.

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kormoc:

PCI-E videocards should only have one key, Universal AGP cards have two

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Diabolic:

So, anyone have any conclusion? Is it AGP or is it PCI-E? ;)

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kormoc:

Diabolic, and with your mobo, you need to make sure any agp card you get is 8x or pro and 1.5v

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kormoc:

Diabolic, the picture is agp, but that doesn't mean the card they send you will be, shop elsewhere? :P

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Diabolic:

I can see that.

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Diabolic:

But, should I go for a PCI-card instead?

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kormoc:

No need if you have a free agp slot

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AngryElf:

xris, i finally got it, the problem wasn't the lirc install, it was my wacked out cable box

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AngryElf:

found the solution on a forum somewhere

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kormoc:

it'll be better for the other pci cards, as the agp slot is on it's own bus and doesn't need to share with the other pci cards

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AngryElf:

as always, thanx :)

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Diabolic:

Yep.

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kormoc:

although, I would get a 6200 if I was you

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** kormoc peers at his mythbox's 6200 :) **

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Diabolic:

kormoc: I can't find a 6200 with S-video.

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kormoc:

Diabolic, I have one, let me give you a link

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Diabolic:

k

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kormoc:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814127203

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liran_:

im having a really hard problem with lirc

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liran_:

or rather with my pvr 150

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liran_:

it won't learn 2 new remotes i've tried to work with

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Juski:

what's this I see about a 0.20 release being planed? is that to make it smooth? :-P

[18:18:03]

liran_:

havent heard of it.

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liran_:

probably going around in the mailing-lists and i havent checked that for a week now.

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Juski:

I was just making fun of the spello typo. nm. I'll get my coat

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liran_:

ahh ok :P

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Diabolic:

kormoc: It can't find that in any Norwegian shops.

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kormoc:

ahh, sucky

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Diabolic:

kormoc: Well, that is – there is a price guide for all shops I'm searching.

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Diabolic:

And it can't find any.

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Diabolic:

But I might find it by searching shops manually.

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Diabolic:

Takes some time :(

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jonah1980:

hi guys, i was hoping someone could please help me out. i've got myth installed etc and the setup thing starts up but having real problems with the database – can't get it working and not sure how to get past the login/username etc – could anyone please help thanks so much if you can

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Diabolic:

Eeeh. Is S-video == S-VHS?

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xris:

no

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xris:

vhs is a cassette format. svideo is a video interface format

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Diabolic:

I find quite a lot with composite as tv-out.

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scopeuk:

wasent svhs the 4 hour tapes starter than the standard 2.5 hours

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jonah1980:

please can anyone help me out?

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jonah1980:

tried following the wiki setup and a few others but it's not working and there's no answers as to what to do when it doesn't do as it says

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Diabolic:

kormoc: http://www.gainward.net/products/product.php?products_id=19

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Diabolic:

Look at that one.

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Diabolic:

Should be AGP, but they say PCI-E at bus again.

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kormoc:

yeah

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Diabolic:

I could mail the webshop.

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kormoc:

I wonder if someone there did a UPDATE Cards SET Bus = "PCI-E";

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jonah1980:

tried to reset my database but i get this error: http://pastebin.ca/92614

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Diabolic:

kormoc: I just sent the webshop an e-mail asking if it's AGP.

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Diabolic:

kormoc: Guess we'll get the answer tomorrow.

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kormoc:

heh, yeah

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Diabolic:

kormoc: But that is a great card if it's AGP?

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kormoc:

I'd get it, aye

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Diabolic:

Aye ;)

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kormoc:

I like Gainward, they've been really good to me

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Diabolic:

And it's compatible with my MB? (8x AGP/1.5V).

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kormoc:

as far as the agp specs they are giving, aye

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Diabolic:

mkay, thanks.

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jonah1980:

can anyone please help me out to get mythtv working, everything is installed (i think) but i'm getting loads of errors

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Juski:

oo the weird video preview problem has been fixed (kind of)

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stuarta:

has the "no beer" error been fixed?

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Juski:

kind of

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stuarta:

think i'll go down the pub for a cold one then

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stuarta:

even though I've things to fix....

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Juski:

heh. there's always something better to do ;-)

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stuarta:

yeah, but if I don't fix things by the weekend, they get bumped to the next version.

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stuarta:

mainly cause I go on holidays mid next week

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Juski:

que sera & all that, I'd say

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stuarta:

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Juski:

you're still entitled to have a life :-)

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stuarta:

off course, we all are...

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scopeuk:

uk users wit hsky tv adn a crap internet provider have a look at www.sky.com/broardband

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Juski:

what? so they can have crap broadband from $ky too?

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Juski:

broadbean with macroblocks.. and nothing when it rains.. heheheh I'd love that

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stuarta:

yeah but if you already pay $$$ky lots, they give you the broadband....

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stuarta:

been a theiving, caniving bastard?

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xris:

jonah1980: be more specific. put errors in a pastebin, describe problems, etc.

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stuarta:

anyway, boys and girls. I'm off to the local for a beer.....

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Juski:

someone at work told me a while ago he wished myth was more like $ky plu$. So I'm gonna code a patch to stop you watching recordings when you have no signal... and add a daemon to delete all your recordings at random intervals

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stuarta:

Juski: trout him for me...

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scopeuk:

juski release as NOT myth?

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Juski:

!trout Juski

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Juski:

I'll be gone soon.. part two of fitting a dodgy car stereo in a Corsa tonight, and the beginning of packing for the weekend

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jonah1980:

xris, thanks – i can get the interface to start by typing mythtv but get loads of errors like this: http://extraball.sunsite.dk/notepad.php?ID=19194

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Juski:

jonah1980: does your qt (version 3.x btw) have mysql support built in?

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jonah1980:

Juski, as far as i know mysql and everything i need is installed. i tried to follow various guides but got quite lost as they were for different distro etc and i'm using ubuntu

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kormoc:

Juski, if it didn't, it should throw a qmysql3 is missing error or something, not a unable to connect

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kormoc:

jonah1980, can you connect to the db from the command line?

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jonah1980:

i need someone to help me install the database again and set the user names etc as i'm lost

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Juski:

jonah1980: there are plenty of ubuntu howtos.. best one I've seen is http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php

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kormoc:

jonah1980, it's covered in the docs, and by default, the user name is mythtv and the password is mythtv

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jonah1980:

kormoc, i don't think i can, i tried a command i read somewhere but it didn't seem to work

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Juski:

try mysql -u mythtv -p

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Juski:

then enter mythtv as the password

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Juski:

right g2g...

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jonah1980:

Juski, thanks, that's the howto i tried but things just weren't working for me

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roger55:

Juski, hi, what linux is running on your s100 again?

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Juski:

roger55: slack. was gentoo though

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roger55:

Juski, ah thought I could borrow your setups

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jonah1980:

Juski, http://extraball.sunsite.dk/notepad.php?ID=19195

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roger55:

Juski, my gentoo works, just didn't do the iegd stuff as I use xorg-7.1 and it doesn't like that

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jonah1980:

http://extraball.sunsite.dk/notepad.php?ID=19195 and i enter mythtv as pass but no good!

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sigger:

ivor_: thx for reply re xine on via. will xxmc accelerate? does it matter which epia chipset? (I believe the newer is UniChrome and I think I have the older)

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roger55:

sigger, lspci should tell what you have

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sigger:

Indeed! VT8623 [Apollo CLE266] integrated CastleRock graphics (rev 03)

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roger55:

sounds like that'll do xvmc

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sigger:

will xvmc and/or xxmc give more fps? my ME6000 (600MHz) CPU is topped out

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roger55:

no idea what xxmc is

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roger55:

and I no longer have an epia

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sigger:

ok, then xvmc likely to help?

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sigger:

eh, I'll find out in 5 hours. thanks.

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tjcarter_:

so, does anyone but mchou, who hates any analog tuner card, actually think the WinTV-PVR 500 is a good choice?

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jams:

tjcarter- it's a decent card. I have 3 of them

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tjcarter:

jams: I remember 6 months ago the answer was "if you don't know what you're doing and aren't willing to hack on the drivers to make them work better, don't buy it."

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gardengnome:

6 months ago.

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jams:

works fine for me

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tjcarter:

gardengnome: hence asking, has the situation changed much?

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** tjcarter has single PCI slot here **

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jams:

I have had mine for at least that long, no hacking involved

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tjcarter:

Eventually I am going to just have to trade in this box for something more appropriate

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jams:

using ivtv 0.4.3

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tjcarter:

well then, I guess my choice is going to come down to a 250 for its Sony-TiVo-like remote and guaranteed simplicity or the 500 for its dual tuner..

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tjcarter:

there was a link to an ATI card that does ATSC/NTSC last night, but I know nothing about the card or its support really, other than mchou was ranting about analog tuners =)

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jonah1980:

i read in the howto that dapper permission probs can be solved with this, but i just get errors:

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jonah1980:

http://extraball.sunsite.dk/notepad.php?ID=19197

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jonah1980:

can anyone help me with it, i've tried the howtos but they're not working out

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Anduin:

jonah1980: A few seconds and google will tell you how to reset your mysql password

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jonah1980:

Anduin, that's what i thought but it didn't seem to work, and what do i need to reset it to

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gardengnome:

man mysqladmin <- jonah1980

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tjcarter:

I have used neither XFS nor JFS before.. Is one recommended over the other for /myth ?

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Anduin:

jonah1980: http://beranger.org/index.php?article=266 (random hit from google that doesn't look too bad)

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jonah1980:

Anduin, do i want my password to be mythtv ideally?

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Anduin:

jonah1980: 1) get your root password set 2) make whatever user with whatever password the guide you are using tells you

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jonah1980:

Anduin, i use sudo not root pass though cos i use ubuntu, so not sure what i should use for security

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Anduin:

jonah1980: mysql root

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** tjcarter will stick with guide and use XFS if nobody has compelling argument for JFS, which he recalls reading one recently **

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jonah1980:

Anduin, thanks for helping but i'm still stuck even with the link you got me: http://extraball.sunsite.dk/notepad.php?ID=19198

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gardengnome:

jonah1980: why don't you tell us what your problem is?

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jonah1980:

gardengnome, hi thanks well basically i can't seem to get the database working so can't even get mythtv started up

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jonah1980:

gardengnome, i mean it starts up with loads of errors and i get the blue screen with user/pass etc to put in and whatever i put it just goes back to terminal with another error. and i've tried a lot of howtos and different guides and i think i've messed it up even more now!

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gardengnome:

you don't know how to ask questions :/ we need stuff like error messages and so on to work with

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jonah1980:

gardengnome, ok well when i start myth i get errors like this: http://extraball.sunsite.dk/notepad.php?ID=19199

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jonah1980:

anyone any ideas how i can fix this?

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gardengnome:

you're on ubuntu? how did you install mythtv?

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b8zs:

anyone in here using an xbox, a microsoft branded remote/ir usb reciever, and lirc ?

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b8zs:

*successfully

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scopeuk:

b8zs the xbox part has been done and the usb remtoe is no diferent than a "normal" pc

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stuarta:

this heat is not condusive to fixing bugs.

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dev:

thats why in america we invented air cinditioning

[20:45:13]

stuarta:

and australia

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stuarta:

sadly england doesn't have a clue.

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scopeuk:

england isent normaly warm enough to need it

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stuarta:

its improving....

[20:52:29]

scopeuk:

althoguh its 32C in this room atm

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scopeuk:

stuarta agread

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b8zs:

scopeuk, i know its been done but I just wanted to talk with somoene who was using it sucessfully with mythtv

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stuarta:

my cpu is at 61c.... ouch...

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scopeuk:

i eman myth on xbox has been done and myth with usb ir reciver has been done

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scopeuk:

jsut dont knwo if there is any one here with both

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jonah1980:

hi everyone, i just wondered if anyone could help me with mythtv, something is badly wrong with my database and i've read howtos but its not working. i get a lot of errors when i start it and pass and username don't seem to work from interface: http://extraball.sunsite.dk/notepad.php?ID=19199

[20:53:21]

b8zs:

ya i know, my xbox remote for lirc was written in 04

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b8zs:

*config

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gardengnome:

22:10 < gardengnome> you're on ubuntu? how did you install mythtv?

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gardengnome:

jonah1980: ^^

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roger55:

gardengnome, is ubuntu missing mysql support on their qt or something?

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gardengnome:

roger55: nope, but you have to install the corresponding package to make it qwork

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Diabolic:

kormoc: It's an AGP-card. Got answer at 9pm, not bad ;)

[20:59:14]

Diabolic:

kormoc: And it's 20 mins after I sent the mail.

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roger55:

gardengnome, is there some good howto for ubuntu? asking since my brother probably will go to ubuntuland sooner or later.

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kormoc:

Diabolic, nice

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Super_Cat_Frog:

hi – what happened to mythui ?

[21:04:46]

stuarta:

it's still there.....

[21:05:06]

dev:

'it doesnt like me, it hides from me sometimes

[21:05:42]

stuarta:

so does my hamster...

[21:06:04]

scopeuk:

after what you do to it do you blame it?

[21:06:11]

stuarta:

nope :)

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** scopeuk is now scared **

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Super_Cat_Frog:

stuarta: is it usable / stable yet?

[21:06:41]

scopeuk:

hide you weomen children and hampsters...?????

[21:06:57]

stuarta:

Super_Cat_Frog: what? my hampster?

[21:07:17]

Super_Cat_Frog:

stuarta: no, your hamster isn't as cool as my girlfriends hamster, anyway

[21:07:20]

Super_Cat_Frog:

i mean mythui

[21:07:26]

Super_Cat_Frog:

my gf's hamster sleeps in a lion

[21:07:35]

Super_Cat_Frog:

(a plastic 6 inch lion)

[21:07:36]

stuarta:

aaaahhhh.....

[21:07:42]

Juski:

re

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stuarta:

what's been done is integrated...

[21:08:23]

Juski:

they forgot the aerial adapter.. grr

[21:08:32]

Super_Cat_Frog:

is there anywhere i can read about its current state ?

[21:08:49]

Juski:

Super_Cat_Frog: you may aswell just search the -commits list

[21:08:51]

gardengnome:

Juski: hehe

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stuarta:

Juski: my hamster serves that function....

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Juski:

heh. my days of stuffing hamsters into small holes are over

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** stuarta is actually talking a load of crap..... **

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dev:

you're never too old for that!

[21:09:40]

stuarta:

ooooooooh!

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Juski:

yes dev I know, but over time the holes don't stay as small

[21:09:56]

** Juski pukes **

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stuarta:

or is that ewwwwwww

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Juski:

oh shit. my soldering stuff is still on the dining table

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xris:

Super_Cat_Frog: what happened to your MYI stuff?

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scopeuk:

Juski is that askign for the wrath of the other 1/2?

[21:11:44]

Super_Cat_Frog:

xris – nothing

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Super_Cat_Frog:

xris – http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/wiki/index.php/Specia . . . ui&go=Go

[21:11:59]

Juski:

scopeuk: could be, if I don't shift it sharpish

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xris:

!trout Beirdo

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** MythLogBot slaps Beirdo with a trout on behalf of xris... **

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Juski:

to the guy who had xorg 7.x on his s100 – don't bother with that. intel won't likely be updating their iegd drivers for ages I expect

[21:13:06]

Juski:

..if that made any sense at all...

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** Juski goes to tidy up **

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Super_Cat_Frog:

Juski: intel gpu drivers are open source and part of the mainline kernel aren't they?

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Beirdo:

whazzup?

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Super_Cat_Frog:

Beirdo: your database server is on fire

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gardengnome:

Super_Cat_Frog: not for their mebedded stuff, ie the IEGD

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stuarta:

!trout myself for no particular reason

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** MythLogBot slaps myself for no particular reason with a trout on behalf of stuarta... **

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gardengnome:

!trout with a trout

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** MythLogBot slaps with a trout with a trout on behalf of gardengnome... **

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Super_Cat_Frog:

gardengnome: ah, i assumed it was a strange abbreviation of integrated graphics

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gardengnome:

Super_Cat_Frog: heh

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** stuarta fails to acheive sanity **

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Beirdo:

what's wrong?

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Beirdo:

oh cool

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Super_Cat_Frog:

Beirdo: http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/wiki/index.php/Specia . . . ui&go=Go

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Beirdo:

gimme a sec

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** stuarta lobs a sec in Beirdo's direction **

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Super_Cat_Frog:

GRENADE!

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** Super_Cat_Frog ducks for cover **

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stuarta:

!beer

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Beirdo:

mythwiki.searchindex check warning Table is marked as crashed

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Beirdo:

coool

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Super_Cat_Frog:

Beirdo: i think that calls for a 'QUICK! QUICK! the server is on fire' SMS, if you ask me

[21:18:06]

Beirdo:

fixed

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Super_Cat_Frog:

hooray!

[21:18:17]

Beirdo:

it was one crashed table

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Super_Cat_Frog:

no results anyway

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Super_Cat_Frog:

arse

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Super_Cat_Frog:

Beirdo: yes, i send myself emails when there's a problem with the work webserver, i like to exaggerate slightly

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Juski:

Super_Cat_Frog: well, the iegd drivers (unlike the oss ones) support the s100's tv out with the fs454 tv encoder

[21:19:40]

Super_Cat_Frog:

Juski: that means nothing to me, i dont have any of that hardware

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Juski:

proper, full-on RGB (or YPrPb) output :-)

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Super_Cat_Frog:

although fair enougj

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Juski:

I use what works best. if that happens to be closed source, so be it

[21:20:32]

Super_Cat_Frog:

Juski: yes, i meant that if the drivers are in the mainline kernel, they are more likely to be working with x7

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roger55:

Juski, so, did you get those to work on gentoo as well?

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Super_Cat_Frog:

hmm, just realised what im saying,

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Beirdo:

I'll check the other databases

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Super_Cat_Frog:

xorg drivers have nothing really to do with kernel drivers

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Super_Cat_Frog:

rite, i smell

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Beirdo:

it was probably crashed from a while ago when I ran out of disk space

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Super_Cat_Frog:

im off for a shower

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Juski:

roger55: yeh but only on xorg 6.8

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roger55:

Juski, and now, are you using a full slackware or the zenslack thing?

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Juski:

zenslack

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Juski:

weirdly, zenslack also includes a mysql server & mythbackend

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roger55:

Juski, how big is the install?

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roger55:

I mean how much diskspace?

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Juski:

256MB or 512MB, depending on what you want in terms of plugins n stuff

[21:24:34]

Juski:

it's nice & quick too. faster boot than gentoo by far.. and pretty zippy in operation

[21:25:13]

roger55:

are you running it off an usb stick?

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Juski:

aye

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Juski:

nfs mounted swap though

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roger55:

heh

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Juski:

makes sense since it relies on nfs shares for the media crap

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roger55:

Juski, is there a premade image one could dd to an usb stick or is there just that password protected tarball?

[21:27:51]

** Beirdo slaps his linode **

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Beirdo:

stop running outta space, dillhole!

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fred_basset:

hey Beirdo, had a few days off?

[21:28:57]

Juski:

roger55: just pm a dude for the username, which might be 'zen' and also for the password, which might be '123zen23'

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** Juski scuttles off & waits for them to change the password **

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gardengnome:

i think they already did

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Juski:

actually the user/pass has been posted on the forum, so I bet it's.. ahh

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Juski:

anyway the dude is friendly, so just ask him on the forum

[21:30:40]

Juski:

beg, bow, scrape.. and he'll give you the access details. not hard

[21:30:44]

roger55:

Juski, ah so I take that as a no img, :)

[21:31:00]

Juski:

what would you want my image for?

[21:31:19]

Beirdo:

heh, well, newly married can mean outta time a lot :)

[21:31:25]

Juski:

gimme a while & I'll see what I can do. I should back up my stick anyway by rights

[21:31:39]

roger55:

Juski, lazyness :)

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Juski:

a bit of reworking & I could call it my own

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Juski:

that'd be very naughty though

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roger55:

Juski, well, I find that password protecting their distros a little childish.

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Juski:

dd if=/dev/sda1 of=usbstick bs=512k might do the trick

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roger55:

:)

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roger55:

why not the whole device?

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RandomDude15:

hey

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RandomDude15:

I'm having issues

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roger55:

how big is your usbstick?

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Juski:

roger55: that _is_ the whole device

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Juski:

I assume you know how to make a stick bootable...

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roger55:

Juski, alright, I thought including the mbr would work better, no?

[21:34:56]

Juski:

fuck me you ARE lazy ;-)

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roger55:

sure do.

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** stuarta starts singing **

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RandomDude15:

I have to have a root terminal.....

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RandomDude15:

with mythbackend

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RandomDude15:

open...

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RandomDude15:

*><

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RandomDude15:

to have mythfrontend work now

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gardengnome:

just get zenslack & read their instructions, it's easy ;:)

[21:35:49]

RandomDude15:

help

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Juski:

gardengnome: I need to back this up anyway. never said anything about uploading it anywhere, not with my crappy broadbean

[21:37:08]

gardengnome:

heh ;)

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gardengnome:

how fast is your connection?

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Juski:

256kbit upload

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Juski:

with the wind in the right direction

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gardengnome:

heh

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Dibblah:

Juski: NFS... Mounted... Swap?

[21:39:59]

Dibblah:

What, you're running 2.2?

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** stuarta goes slightly mad.... **

[21:40:30]

k-man:

is there a way for force a complete flush and refill of the mythtv epg data?

[21:40:32]

Juski:

no idea. it's zenslack.. could be anything for all I know

[21:40:52]

Dibblah:

Thought NFS swap died with 2.2...

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** Dibblah uses swap over NBD :) **

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stuarta:

k-man: just delete all the info in programs...

[21:41:11]

Juski:

seems to work okay.. doesn't swap much anyway

[21:41:16]

gardengnome:

you can still have swap over nfs with the network block device stuff iirc

[21:41:20]

k-man:

stuarta, from the table?

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gardengnome:

yeah, right

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** stuarta nods **

[21:41:42]

k-man:

the "programs" table?

[21:41:55]

Juski:

ran gentoo with no swapfile.. was a little erm.. temperamental

[21:42:10]

Juski:

but was ok so long as I didn't go beserk

[21:42:30]

gardengnome:

gentoo with no swap was great here on the s100. at last for like 30 minuts of livetv, i didn't test more

[21:42:34]

stuarta:

k-man: yep, tho the table is called 'program'....

[21:42:41]

k-man:

ok

[21:42:41]

k-man:

thanks

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Juski:

since there will be _users_ messing with it this weekend, I decided to do it more properly

[21:43:16]

** stuarta set's up a video camera on Juski for the weekend **

[21:43:47]

roger55:

gardengnome, are you running your gentoo off an usb stick or a harddisk?

[21:44:03]

Juski:

I may have no lips left, through biting them...

[21:44:15]

RandomDude15:

how

[21:44:19]

RandomDude15:

do I remove all recordings

[21:44:21]

RandomDude15:

in mysql?

[21:44:24]

RandomDude15:

from the watch recordings

[21:44:25]

RandomDude15:

thing

[21:44:37]

RandomDude15:

im trying to remove em

[21:44:44]

RandomDude15:

http://pastebin.ca/92754

[21:44:57]

Juski:

select the 'all recordings' group. press M.. add the group to a playlist

[21:45:14]

Juski:

then press M again & select 'playlist options'.. then 'delete playlist'. ta-da

[21:45:23]

RandomDude15:

in mythfrontend?

[21:45:46]

Juski:

no. in your car

[21:46:10]

Dibblah:

Oooooh! ;)

[21:46:40]

gardengnome:

roger55: nfsroot

[21:47:58]

Juski:

hmmm. would it be tempting fate to take a soldering iron do you think?

[21:48:32]

gardengnome:

well, you could put it to good use. as a lart

[21:48:50]

Juski:

fssssss!

[21:48:53]

Juski:

bad user

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RandomDude15:

not working

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scopeuk:

Juski taking a sodlering iron you'll probably be fine with

[21:51:26]

Juski:

mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg -e "delete * from recorded;" ? or something

[21:51:28]

scopeuk:

jsut dont take a craft knife

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jonah1980:

hi there guys, could anyone help me out with MythTV? I can't get it working, I've got a database problem and get these errors and more when i start it up: http://extraball.sunsite.dk/notepad.php?ID=19199

[21:54:19]

gardengnome:

jonah1980: apt-get install libqt3-mt-mysql should solve your problem. i've just had the same on a fresh ubuntu install :)

[21:54:37]

jonah1980:

gardengnome, wow thanks i'll give it a shot!

[21:55:07]

** Juski whistles **

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stuarta:

think I'm going to head to bed. night all

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jonah1980:

gardengnome:

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jonah1980:

http://extraball.sunsite.dk/notepad.php?ID=19209

[21:56:14]

jonah1980:

gardengnome, i think it was already installed but gave me those errors

[21:56:22]

Juski:

nighty night stuarta

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Juski:

pumpkin?

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k-man:

for some reason, mythfill database isn't putting all the data into every channel

[21:57:06]

k-man:

it left out half of the channels

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Juski:

k-man: look in ~/.mythtv/*.xmltv

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Juski:

if only half the channels are in there, that's your problemo

[21:57:51]

k-man:

no, all channels are there

[21:58:16]

Juski:

do all your channels have xmltv ids then?

[21:58:23]

Juski:

I'm guessing not

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Dagmar:

Would MythVideo happen to support say, colon-separated paths for the location of the videos?

[22:03:01]

xris:

Dagmar: for macos?

[22:03:13]

Dagmar:

Umm.. screw macs

[22:03:26]

sapbeast:

bad ass, my nexus fan dampener kit arrived

[22:03:34]

scopeuk:

he means multiple directories

[22:03:46]

scopeuk:

just sym link em all ino one folder

[22:03:47]

Dagmar:

Yep.

[22:03:58]

Dagmar:

Hmm... That'll work well enough actually.

[22:04:05]

Dagmar:

This is why I hate day people

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xris:

scopeuk: well, : is used instead of / in the mac filesystem, so I thought I'd check.

[22:04:42]

Dagmar:

I would have brains left to have thought of that myself if I weren't dealing with an idiot landlord, a retarded repair contractor, and an auto-repair clinic atll at once today instead of sleeping

[22:04:57]

xris:

but I understand what you mean. like $PATH

[22:05:01]

Dagmar:

Macs use colons to mark directories?!?

[22:05:07]

xris:

hfs+ does, yes

[22:05:14]

Dagmar:

UNNATURAL!

[22:05:49]

Dagmar:

Ah well, At least I have a muffler now.

[22:05:55]

Dagmar:

I'm sure my neighbors will appreciate iyt

[22:06:03]

Dagmar:

Oh and brakes.

[22:06:05]

Dagmar:

Those are good.

[22:06:08]

Dagmar:

:D

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k-man:

Juski, i had some errors in the xmlids

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k-man:

Juski, thanks for the pointers

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scopeuk:

for brits muffler ==exhaust

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tjcarter:

this is defnintely less work when done with knoppmyth =)

[22:12:49]

** tjcarter is installing with ubuntu **

[22:12:58]

jonah1980:

i really can't get it to work, could anyone help me? i don't seem to have the database set up right and when i start myth the login/pass doesn't work, then it asks for wake on lan etc and press return and bang i get terminal with error msg: http://extraball.sunsite.dk/notepad.php?ID=19210

[22:14:16]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: new muffler sounds good. gotta get mine replace next week or so, the neighbours have started to give me dirty looks

[22:14:22]

jonah1980:

also i can't find anything about whether Pinnacle PCTV Hybrid Pro PCI works with linux or not. my card has remote etc but don't know if it'll work when myth eventually is working (if it ever is)

[22:14:35]

Juski:

jonah1980: did you try mysql -u mythtv -p like I said to earlier ?

[22:15:02]

Juski:

and FYI the easiest & best way to go is to test your hardware works BEFORE tinkering with myth

[22:15:21]

Juski:

walk before you run ;-)

[22:15:48]

jonah1980:

Juski, yeah it gives me this error: http://extraball.sunsite.dk/notepad.php?ID=19211

[22:16:33]

Juski:

jonah1980: riiight. now we can get somewhere

[22:16:34]

jonah1980:

I already have the hardware but i ditched windows a week or two ago! no looking back!! hehe

[22:17:03]

Juski:

there's something in a howto somewhere saying grant ALL on <foo> identified by <bar>.. you need a bit of that

[22:17:36]

Juski:

and you need to do mysql -u root -p < mc.sql to create the mythtv db user

[22:17:40]

Juski:

iirc

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jonah1980:

Juski, i'm sure i tried that too earlier though but i can't remember exactly what i tried and not now, i've typed loads of diff things in terminals!!

[22:18:15]

Juski:

theory being that if you type enough random shit (assuming nothing breaks).. you'll eventually make it work

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jonah1980:

Juski, that gives me this: http://extraball.sunsite.dk/notepad.php?ID=19213

[22:18:45]

Juski:

jonah1980: you need to use the full path of the mc.sql file

[22:18:48]

jonah1980:

Juski, yeah something like that theory! it's abit like the thing with typing monkeys!

[22:19:37]

jonah1980:

Juski, the myth folder path? home/.myth type one or are we looking for this file even though it's not been made yet?

[22:20:25]

Juski:

no the path where the mc.sql file lives

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Juski:

cd /

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Juski:

find -name "mc.sql"

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jonah1980:

Juski, ok i'll try that out, it's searching now

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jonah1980:

Juski: jonah@jonah-desktop:/$ mysql -u root -p < ./usr/share/mythtv/sql/mc.sql

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jonah1980:

Enter password:

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jonah1980:

ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

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jonah1980:

Juski, so what's that all about?

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Juski:

so you got the password wrong... look up how to reset the root mysql password at mysql.org

[22:23:27]

gardengnome:

nix that -p

[22:23:29]

gardengnome:

or, well

[22:23:36]

gardengnome:

use mysqladmin to reset your password

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gardengnome:

read the man page

[22:23:51]

scopeuk:

very rare for my sql to have apassword for rot on local hsot by defualt

[22:24:30]

gardengnome:

on ubuntu, that's not the case.

[22:24:51]

jonah1980:

but how do i know what the mysql password should be?

[22:24:52]

scopeuk:

fair enough

[22:25:10]

jonah1980:

i use ubuntu, so everything is sudo isn't it? should i have diff passwords?

[22:25:42]

kormoc:

jonah1980, it's still worthwhile to, yes

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Juski:

sudo ku

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jonah1980:

looking through mysql forums and can only find how to reset pass for windows, i think i tried it earlier and it didn't work though, can anyone point me to instructions again please? sorry to hassle everyone but i'm slow and haven't got anywhere in hours with this – i'm trying but i'm a sucker!!

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Juski:

it's in a faq at mysql.org

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jonah1980:

Juski, ok

[22:30:44]

Juski:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?client=firefox . . . oogle+Search

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Juski:

1st hit

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jonah1980:

hey come on! not all of us are google wizzards!! hehe

[22:32:08]

Juski:

riiight :-/

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Dagmar:

Five-year old children can compose a query like that

[22:32:35]

Juski:

I guess if something in windows doesn't work, there's not much point in even looking

[22:33:11]

Dagmar:

...and SQL doesn't care what platform it's on.

[22:33:14]

** Juski is trying to be nice. good practice for the weekend & stuff **

[22:33:21]

Dagmar:

Unless it's MSSQL, and then you should just be flogged.

[22:33:36]

Dagmar:

Juski: I don't let the puppy pee on the carpet.

[22:34:01]

Juski:

I don't have a puppy anymore. must do something about my anger

[22:34:05]

Juski:

;-)

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Dagmar:

heheh

[22:34:39]

Juski:

"why are linux users so damn cranky all the time?"... erm.. is it cos they use linux? ;-)

[22:34:46]

jonah1980:

it says i have to find a .pid file or soemthing, it's found a mysql.pid, mythbackend.pid and apache.pid

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Dagmar:

It's because windows causes mental retardation

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scopeuk:

i thought youed have gone with the prats asking stupidquestions in *-users

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Dagmar:

jonah1980: How many bowls have you smoked this afternoon?

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Dagmar:

jonah1980: Is it the root password for mysql you're resetting?

[22:36:04]

jonah1980:

Dagmar, yeah "trying" being the missing word!!

[22:36:14]

Dagmar:

jonah1980: You're pretty much boned

[22:36:27]

jonah1980:

Dagmar, I'm about as useless as a jug with no handle at this stuff!

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Dagmar:

You can, of course, try http://www.google.com/search?q=reset+root+mys . . . -US:official

[22:37:11]

Dagmar:

Of course, that first link is retardedly targeted for Windows users

[22:37:14]

Juski:

jonah1980: what it basically says is.. stop mysql running

[22:37:21]

Dagmar:

I guess they're the ones most prone to silly mistakes tlike that

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Juski:

and when it's stopped running, and you know it's stopped, proceed

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jonah1980:

but i don't get why i'm looking for pid files, do i really need to find these pid files...

[22:38:17]

Dagmar:

Look about halfway down the page ("read the instructions completely before beginning." ahem) you will see "In a Unix environment, the procedure for resetting the root password is as follows:"

[22:38:30]

Dagmar:

You don't actually need the pid files

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Dagmar:

All you need to do is stop the server. You can do that with the init script for it. It'll be in /etc/rc.d somewhere

[22:38:48]

Juski:

on umbongo... sudo /etc/init.d/mysql stop

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Dagmar:

...or /etc/init.d/ if you're on Debian or somethin

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tjcarter:

hmm, I think apt is probably bad for Debian.

[22:39:23]

Juski:

time for another pint of water.

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jonah1980:

shell> kill `cat /mysql-data-directory/host_name.pid`?? but that's the pid file again

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Dagmar:

...or you could use `find /var -name mysql.pid`

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Dagmar:

You don't need it

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Dagmar:

The only reason they want you to pull it up is so you can send a signal to the daemon using the kill command

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jonah1980:

mmm umbungo

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Dagmar:

...but you don't actually have to be that precise in the first place

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tjcarter:

too many broken things that aren't exactly Depends: which is all apt cares about.

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jonah1980:

ok it's stopped it!! wow cool

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Dagmar:

`killall mysqld` works fine I believe

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Dagmar:

Just DO NOT USE killall -9 mysqld

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Dagmar:

You might as well just be reaching for the power button on the server for what that will do to your databases

[22:41:26]

Juski:

now with mysql stopped you can proceed with step 3

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jonah1980:

ok so now it's dead and killed, what was i doing again? i think i need to drink another umbongo

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tjcarter:

...

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tjcarter:

Setting up mythtv-database (0.18.1–5ubuntu3) ...

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tjcarter:

Failed to connect to database: Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES) at -e line 5, <> line 1.

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Juski:

oops

[22:41:37]

tjcarter:

Failed to create database (incorrect admin username/password?)

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tjcarter:

password: YES ?

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Dagmar:

Kill, with no signal specification to it, send SIGTERM, which is a polite way of telling the process

[22:41:52]

tjcarter:

that has GOT to be a bug.

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Dagmar:

Kill, with no signal specification to it, send SIGTERM, which is a polite way of telling the process "You need to shut down now" and it will obligingly do so, cleanly.

[22:42:05]

Juski:

tjcarter: 0.18? lol. welcome to ubuntu being up to date (not)

[22:42:17]

tjcarter:

yeah

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Dagmar:

Kill -9 sends SIGKILL, which is not interruptible, not interceptable, and effectively tells the kernel "Stomp that bugger FLAT"

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gardengnome:

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gardengnome:

^^ add this to your sources list

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Juski:

you need to be on Dapper... and as gardengnome just said...

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tjcarter:

gardengnome: ah, thanks

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Juski:

and some folks find that reinstalling with dapper works better that upgrado

[22:43:02]

Juski:

s/that/than

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tjcarter:

Juski: Dapper's 0.18 is borked ;)

[22:43:30]

Juski:

I know only too well

[22:43:43]

Juski:

their setup stuff tries to do too much

[22:43:56]

Juski:

like it'll fail if a mythtv user already exists on the system :-/

[22:43:58]

gardengnome:

np: juski – now that's what i call the shit, volume 2

[22:44:03]

Dagmar:

Juski: That is just sad

[22:44:06]

gardengnome:

stop flaming ubuntu or i'll upload that.

[22:44:13]

gardengnome:

;)

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Juski:

I quite like ubuntu..

[22:44:48]

gardengnome:

heh

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tjcarter:

Juski: I want it to do more than it's doing--I just want it to do it right

[22:45:02]

Dagmar:

I've got a set of routines written for Slackware packages to make them able to correctly install a user- or role-account. It's not like it's hard to write these things--just time-consuming.

[22:45:13]

Juski:

the demo backend runs ubuntu, and is called umbongo

[22:45:23]

gardengnome:

i actually like how mythtv-database tries to setup stuff for ya. jsut too bad users don't know their mysql pass

[22:45:40]

tjcarter:

Ubuntu has the distinction of being a bit less broken than most of the alternatives, though

[22:45:49]

Dagmar:

gardengnome: It should probably assume they don't have one and set it for them. ;)

[22:45:54]

jonah1980:

ok step three gave me this:

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jonah1980:

http://extraball.sunsite.dk/notepad.php?ID=19214

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** GreyFoxx kicks off a new compile and waits forit to die **

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jonah1980:

does that mean mysql is running, i don't have a prompt though

[22:46:15]

tjcarter:

Dagmar: it should assume that the user may not have set one and check, and do so if they haven't.

[22:46:21]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: assumptions are baaad :/

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Dagmar:

tjcarter: I take the easy way out. My stuff assumes they didn't bother to set one, and that it's a kiosk-setup. ;)

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Dagmar:

This neatly lays the responsibility of setting things up manually entirely in the user's lap

[22:47:38]

Juski:

jonah1980: if you ever need to check if a process is running, use the ps command

[22:47:38]

Dagmar:

jonah1980: Acutally, it means the server tried to come up, decided things were screwed, and exited

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Dagmar:

ps -ef | grep processname

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Juski:

e.g. ps -aux | grep foo

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Dagmar:

...or pidof processname

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tjcarter:

I can't exactly say that assumptions are a good way to go in general

[22:48:18]

jonah1980:

so does this mean it's not working if it exited then? i mean what could be wrong now?

[22:48:32]

Dagmar:

jonah1980: ...but you have an init script that would normally start the mysqld when the machine boots. You should use it to both stop and start the thing

[22:48:32]

Juski:

blech... 1040187392 bytes transferred in 1018.346798 seconds (1021447 bytes/sec)

[22:48:46]

Dagmar:

jonah1980: Don't assume that you're going to be able to get all the arguments right to mysqld_safe

[22:48:48]

tjcarter:

when I installed Knoppmyth it asked me if I had one of several remotes. I said no, so it said "okay, NO REMOTE FOR YOU!" and just assumed that if I had a clue I'd figure out what to do to get one later

[22:49:03]

Dagmar:

tjcarter: Well, it can only do so much

[22:49:13]

jonah1980:

so if i reboot it'll start itself?

[22:49:15]

Dagmar:

lirc is still a right bitch with respect to configuration

[22:49:19]

tjcarter:

turns out if I had selected anything but the one thign I don't have for sure, it would have broken

[22:49:20]

Juski:

knoppmyth doesn't mind-read? god that's lame

[22:49:23]

tjcarter:

whoops ;)

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gardengnome:

tjcarter: the script you're talking about is somewhere in /usr/local/bin/ iirc

[22:49:39]

Dagmar:

jonah1980: Provided the database isn't damaged beyong belief, yes, but this is not Windows. Dont' treat it like windows.

[22:49:56]

Dagmar:

jonah1980: Look in /etc/rc.d/ or /etc/init.d for a script named very obviously 'mysqld'

[22:50:11]

Dagmar:

jonah1980: Run that with the argument 'stop', 'start', or sometimes 'status'.

[22:50:13]

jonah1980:

Dagmar, well my system hasn't crashed yet i guess so mustn't be like windows

[22:50:16]

Dagmar:

It will do the correct thing

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Juski:

/etc/init.d/mysql

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Juski:

without an argument to pass, it'll tell you what are valid args :)

[22:50:51]

tjcarter:

I wound up using ubuntu here because I needed a couple of packages from a repository and did an upgrade which removed myth without being able to recover (oops!)

[22:51:04]

Juski:

Usage: /etc/init.d/mysql start|stop|restart|reload|force-reload

[22:51:05]

Dagmar:

Most importantly, if you use the init script to start and stop the thing, you can be sure that when you do reboot occasionally, the server will come up the same way as when you're doing it manually

[22:51:27]

Dagmar:

Juski: I guess I know why they don't have a status function in there

[22:51:41]

jonah1980:

i've got loads of rc.d folder, about 8 of them!

[22:52:02]

Juski:

there's an rc.d folder for each runlevel & stuff

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tjcarter:

although, ubuntu's broken myth setup did a good job of hosing it so this 0.19 won't configure either

[22:52:13]

Dagmar:

jonah1980: If you're on what Juski thinks you are, you want /etc/init.d/. The other directories just contain a lot of symlinks that point into there

[22:52:24]

gardengnome:

tjcarter: where exactly are you stuck?

[22:52:32]

Juski:

jonah1980: I recommend you do a spot of wiki reading about how linux works... if you like learning stuff

[22:52:45]

tjcarter:

gardengnome: it's doing the same thing trying to use passwd "YES"

[22:52:53]

jonah1980:

i'm trying to figure things out but there's just a lot to get your head round!

[22:52:54]

Dagmar:

If you dont like learning stuff, you just need to go out and buy Windows Media Center Edition. ;)

[22:52:56]

gardengnome:

tjcarter: use mysqladmin to set a password.

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tjcarter:

gardengnome: I did set a passwd

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Dagmar:

jonah1980: that there is

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tjcarter:

and I gave the 0.18 package that passwd

[22:53:23]

gardengnome:

tjcarter: weird.

[22:53:25]

Dagmar:

jonah1980: There's also a lot of learning involved in driving a tank or using a flamethrower

[22:53:26]

Juski:

the linux learning curve is a steep climb

[22:53:31]

tjcarter:

it used "YES" instead, and the 0.19 is assuming what I gave 0.18 is correct

[22:53:40]

Dagmar:

jonah1980: ...with equal amounts of danger involved in trying to use them without knowing what you're doing

[22:53:44]

tjcarter:

Juski: Linux isn't the problem here actually

[22:53:47]

Juski:

I've been using for over 18 months now & still learning

[22:53:50]

Dagmar:

But you can't level a building with a Volkswagon

[22:53:52]

Dagmar:

:)

[22:53:52]

gardengnome:

tjcarter: dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database might help

[22:53:53]

scopeuk:

Dagmar any mupet can use a flame thrower

[22:53:59]

scopeuk:

itsj sut doig nti ithout killing yourself

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Juski:

lol

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Dagmar:

scopeuk: See, most people would assume that burning yourself alive is a necessary goal

[22:54:21]

Juski:

!babelfish scopeuk

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Dagmar:

I think CW:ET is proof that most people can't do that without instruction

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scopeuk:

that wotn help

[22:54:41]

scopeuk:

it isent that smart

[22:54:51]

Juski:

yeh learning from other people's mistakes is a smart thing to do

[22:54:53]

gardengnome:

scopeuk: please try harder :/

[22:54:58]

Juski:

before you try rm -rf /*

[22:55:06]

jonah1980:

but i don't get why it's so dangerous trying to watch tv on your computer – this is immense!

[22:55:07]

scopeuk:

gardengnome i will

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Dagmar:

Juski: Not much learning happens if you're near someone with a flamethrower and no clue

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scopeuk:

that last message of mine was pure crap

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scopeuk:

Dagmar lots of running though

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Dagmar:

hehe

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Dagmar:

Provided they're not using the flamethrower indoors, sure.

[22:56:00]

Juski:

it's five to midnight and I ran out of good analogies a long time ago

[22:56:17]

Juski:

but at least I found my camera's battery charger

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gardengnome:

Juski: that happened before you /join'ed #mythtv-users the first tiem, right? ;)

[22:56:26]

** gardengnome runs **

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Juski:

prolly

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jonah1980:

ok i tried and this is what i got: http://extraball.sunsite.dk/notepad.php?ID=19215

[22:56:52]

Dagmar:

Speaking of batteries, I can't believe some japanese kids built a plane that runs on AA batteries.

[22:56:56]

Juski:

oo just remembered I need to burn some 1337 w@r3z for my boss

[22:57:05]

Dagmar:

It must be a nightmare if the hatch pops off

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Dagmar:

AA batteries would go everywhere

[22:57:22]

Dagmar:

One hundred and forty AA batteries.

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Quan:

Dagmar: got a link to that?

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Dagmar:

Quan: It was mentioned in /. just a few days ago

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scopeuk:

Dagmar 150?

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Dagmar:

It flies fine.

[22:58:03]

Dagmar:

140.

[22:58:05]

scopeuk:

thats nothing you can buy 800 packs off ebay lol

[22:58:14]

Dagmar:

...but at that point I don't think ten more really make the mess much different

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scopeuk:

yeh

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Dagmar:

I guess you could probably run a 767 off about 500 of them, but they'd have to be D cells for sure

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Juski:

hmmm say 15 grams falling from a height of 200 metres up... p = 0.5 mv squared... g=10m/s/s.. ouchio!

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scopeuk:

g = 9.81 ms^-2

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Juski:

smart arse

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Dagmar:

Umm... ^-2?

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scopeuk:

i jsut got out of 2 years of alevel physics

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Dagmar:

Is that on Pluto?

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scopeuk:

to the power negative two

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sigger_:

hmmm, xine crapped out when I ran it with -V xvmc. didn't see anything esp useful in ~/.xsession-errors. anywhere else you'd recommend looking?

[23:00:53]

scopeuk:

eg meters over seconds squared

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Dagmar:

Yes. Squared.

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Juski:

sigger: maybe the syntax is wrong

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Dagmar:

^-2 is the square root

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sigger_:

thx will check

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scopeuk:

Dagmar ^1/2 whould be square root

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jonah1980:

ah got it started!!

[23:02:27]

Dagmar:

Well, no wonder you guys dont' have any shuttles

[23:02:46]

scopeuk:

let me guess uk and us use diferent conventions?

[23:02:47]

Juski:

xine -pfhq -D --no-splash -V xxmc for nvidia xvmc

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Dagmar:

Yes, we say -9.8 ms^2

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jonah1980:

so now after all of that, what should i do next. i still have the same myth errors etc

[23:03:16]

scopeuk:

-9.81 defining atraction whihc makes sense

[23:03:27]

scopeuk:

but that reads as Ns to me

[23:03:36]

scopeuk:

which makes very little sense

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scopeuk:

but thats just the diferece in systems

[23:04:01]

Dagmar:

I was slightly foo'd up there. It's not the root, but it would equal 1 over 9.8ms^2

[23:04:15]

Juski:

system will be shut down automagically in 10 fs

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kormoc:

google agrees that ms^2 is milliseconds squared

[23:04:17]

Dagmar:

...which is very much more likely to be the gravitational pull on say, the moon or pluto or something

[23:04:33]

Dagmar:

Google can't read LaTex

[23:04:48]

scopeuk:

kormoc the m is meters not a size reference

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tjcarter:

gardengnome: I got it removed eventually--the 0.18 packages really mucked up debconf

[23:05:01]

kormoc:

I didn't think science short names were latex

[23:05:09]

Dagmar:

Google sez: "1 meters per (second squared) = 1 m / s2"

[23:05:18]

Dagmar:

...which also looks like crap in ASCII.

[23:05:25]

kormoc:

scopeuk, yes, but ms is convention for milliseconds

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scopeuk:

kormoc agread

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scopeuk:

which is why the ^-2 etc is masivly important

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Dagmar:

Negative power of something = 1 / positive power of same

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scopeuk:

yup

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jonah1980:

ok i'm going to have to leave it for tonight, spent about 6 hours getting nowhere and now i'm back where i started. thanks for trying to help me everyone, see you tomorrow for more of the same!!

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scopeuk:

bye

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Juski:

ttfn

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Dagmar:

I see now. Those euros put the negative sign in a crazy place

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scopeuk:

which is why you should never hire na ammerican engineer to take over from a european

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Dagmar:

Here in the colonies it's written as -9.8 meters per second sqaured

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gardengnome:

he's gonne come back? i might have to take a day off tomorrow then ;)

[23:09:55]

scopeuk:

you'll blow something up

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Dagmar:

Which is much simpler to compute

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Dagmar:

...and yet, we have shuttles.

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Quan:

or miss mars entirely!

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scopeuk:

we dotn have a patch of land big enough to set one off

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Dagmar:

They're not missing Mars.

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gardengnome:

Quan: you're evil, do you know that?

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Dagmar:

They've gotten very good at lobbing things right into it. ;)

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scopeuk:

well i figured what happened to begal 2dtv were right on the money

[23:10:41]

Dagmar:

NASA has a complete lock on Interplanetary Lawn Darts

[23:10:49]

scopeuk:

that big ass suv on a rover the us droped ran the thing over

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Quan:

gardengnome: so I've been told >:)

[23:11:11]

scopeuk:

Quan join the club

[23:11:12]

Dagmar:

scopeuk: Oh well. So much for compact space vehicles being safe. ;)

[23:11:39]

Quan:

our GPS encryption hasn't been cracked either

[23:11:49]

Quan:

apparently they put the – in the wrong place on theirs..

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Dagmar:

I still can't believe the guy giving the announcement about what they were going to do with that first malfunctioning probe managed to do so with a straight face

[23:12:13]

Quan:

the probe to uranus?

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Dagmar:

"What we're going to do, see, is go ahead and just crash the billion-dollar probe into the planet's surface, and then admire the dust cloud it kicks up from here with telescopes"

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scopeuk:

we windge about other alien spieces doign it but apparently nasa are rearly upfor sending a uranus probe off to its death

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Juski:

alien species doing it? windows users have that kind of tech?

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Dagmar:

Quan: Good for you. We didn't bother to encrypt our GPS in the first place.

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Juski:

yeh the US just switch it off whenever they feel like it

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Dagmar:

hehe

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Juski:

MY toy! MINE!

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Quan:

actually galileo WAS encrypted, for high resolution just like the US

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Dagmar:

All we did was put a wee bit of noise into the signal, synced up very carefully so that military equipment would be much more expensive to produce to give more money to contractors.

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scopeuk:

its a nice thought isent it our nuclear missles are guided (in part) by a system a none responsible international entity has the power switch for

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Quan:

s/WAS/is

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scopeuk:

hell they want the ower to turn of galelao too

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Dagmar:

it's not encrypted, it's just purposefully mildly inaccurate

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scopeuk:

on none military grade gear

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Juski:

even with the accuracy they have there's still an awful lot of 'collateral' damage

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Dagmar:

Defense propaganda just likes to use the word 'encrypted' because it sounds more impressive

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scopeuk:

and so does thermite defensive counter measures but i whouldetn bu a palmtop with it

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tjcarter:

hmm, this guide I'm following isn't clear.. In general settings, myth defaults to /var/lib/mythtv for recordings.. Do I want to tell it to use /myth/tv or /myth ?

[23:17:00]

Juski:

they really should play HL more to improve their aim

[23:17:03]

scopeuk:

or one of dells thermite laptops eitehr ;-)

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Juski:

tjcarter: it's up to you so long as the dir exists when you start mythbackend

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Dagmar:

scopeuk: For most intents and purposes, no one international entity has control over the root servers, but that doesn't stop bureaucrats from freaking out about it

[23:17:53]

Dagmar:

"OMG the US gov't could tell them what to do!"

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scopeuk:

the us military hold exclusive rights to shutdown gps and/or initialise a localised blackout

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Chicago:

Dagmar: US has control, that's clear. We have 7 of them. Our military owns 1 too.

[23:18:16]

Dagmar:

Actually, the US gov't mainly just foots the bills, and Ted Stevens is proof positive that Congress doesn't know enough to tell them what to do.

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Dagmar:

Chicago: How well would your 89-year old grandmother do, telling you how to set up an enterprise mail server?

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scopeuk:

she knows more about it than i do

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Dagmar:

That particular department just has it's bills paid for by the gov't, but the gov't has about as much control over it as the average parent has over their teenage daughter going to college halfway across the country.

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tjcarter:

Juski: I created /myth/tv, but my question is, does it want /myth/tv here or the /myth directory containing lots of stuff?

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Chicago:

Dagmar: lol Well, if she just told me to get someone elses advice... then she would be doing a satisfactory job... but obviously she has no clue.

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Dagmar:

It does what it wants, the worst that can happen is that the bills stop being paid and someone else takes it over, and the cycle begins anew

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Dagmar:

Chicago: If you want an example of just how bad off Congress is, check http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5b4JsgqJrrI

[23:22:54]

Dagmar:

That's Senator Ted Stevens, trying desperately to explain Net Neutrality before the rest of the Senate, with trippy visualizations and beats mixed in

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Dagmar:

it's hilarious

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Dagmar:

Provided you don't think about it too much. heh

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Juski:

tjcarter: the dir you give it is just the base dir for where the recordings will go. if you say /myth the recordings will go in /myth/ – if you say /myth/tv they'll go in /myth/tv/

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Dagmar:

I finally found it as just the MP3 at http://www.saddlerockent.com/TEDSTUBES.mp3

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Dagmar:

Now I can blast it with my car's stereo. :)

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Dagmar:

Bite me. It's 99F here

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Juski:

37'C in this room

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Juski:

at 00:40

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Dagmar:

Open a window, you limey

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** gardengnome watches real-time hacking. quite entertaining. **

[23:39:36]

Dagmar:

it's cooler than that outside

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Juski:

window is open, dagmar :-/

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gardengnome:

that's gonna get you lots of nasty insects

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Juski:

I bet you're not in a room with 3 athlons though ;-)

[23:40:04]

Dagmar:

Time to go downstairs and stab the neighbors to death, and then turn off their heat

[23:40:20]

Dagmar:

I'm in a room with two of them, and they're properly cooled. ;)

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: i like solutions that work.

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: so what? you'll still get all the heat in your room ;)

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Juski:

I'd do that if I lived in a flat/apartment

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Dagmar:

I have days when my floor is *warm* because the people downstairs like to leave their windows open and the AC off when they're not home during the day

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Juski:

forecast for tomorrow is a heady 22'C

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gardengnome:

do you want them to leave their AC on in their absence?

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Dagmar:

Her attitude is that since it doesnt' get all that warm in her apartment (since the people below her DO have their AC on) that this is a reasonable thing to do

[23:41:44]

Dagmar:

I want her to just close the windows

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scopeuk:

Juski that all its been 30 here today and its spose to be warmer ehar tomoz

[23:41:58]

Juski:

just kill her then. much easier

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Dagmar:

Exaclty

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scopeuk:

or tape her to your floor and leave her in there with all the windows shut and ac off al day

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Juski:

read 34'C on the motorway at lunchytime at Sale, Cheshire

[23:42:37]

scopeuk:

nice

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** gardengnome loads mod_speling **

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Dagmar:

What I'd like is to be able to move into the apartment below her for the winter

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Juski:

makes me laugh how they say it's hotter than Ibiza here. yeah, but people go to Ibiza for other reasons than it's warm

[23:43:11]

Dagmar:

I'm perfectly fine at well below machine room temps

[23:43:19]

Dagmar:

Like the drugs. :)

[23:43:33]

Juski:

and the scenery

[23:43:37]

Dagmar:

....and the loose morals

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Juski:

we have loose morals here

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** Juski remembers a holiday where he moved a 'men at work' sign in front of the girls from Liverpool's apartment door **

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Dagmar:

The apt manager nearly fell out of her chair laughing when I mentioned I was pissed at my flatmate for filling the common room of our place with crap, because I couldn't have women of low moral fiber over if there's nowhere for them to sit

[23:45:20]

Dagmar:

...which is why I'm moving into a large 2bdrm place now, with lots and lots of beanbags

[23:45:21]

Juski:

lol

[23:45:34]

Juski:

and a swing?

[23:45:39]

Dagmar:

Maybe

[23:45:45]

Juski:

or are they not that immoral?

[23:45:45]

Dagmar:

I used to have a dedicated pillow room.

[23:45:49]

Dagmar:

I'm thinking it's time to bring that back.

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Juski:

ee I dunno the youth of today...

[23:46:17]

Dagmar:

This is fully adult letchery

[23:46:21]

Dagmar:

Youths would be shocked.

[23:46:38]

Dagmar:

It takes time and effort to reach this level of abandon. :)

[23:46:51]

Juski:

I won't even try to imagine

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Dagmar:

What I'm tempted to do is invite my ex-gf over once I get things moving properly again

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Dagmar:

...just so I can say "See what could have been happening if you weren't so prudish about being bi?"

[23:48:26]

Juski:

hey they can't miss what they haven't tried ;-)

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kormoc:

Wow, I have no idea why she would be your ex...

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Dagmar:

It was always "I don't want to share you!"

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Dagmar:

Sharing is GOOD.

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Dagmar:

Heh

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Juski:

folks need somewhere to draw a line

[23:49:26]

Dagmar:

Pfft. She's my ex because she's irresponsible and an aspie

[23:49:56]

Juski:

in my experience, once things get to a certain level, things get just as stale as the previous level eventually.. and who knows where it can end up

[23:49:56]

GreyFoxx:

"aspie" ?

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Dagmar:

It's been my experience that whether or not you actually "get any" matters little if you can get a bunch of women at your place, drunk and in various states of undress.

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Dagmar:

That's the mistake too many people make.

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Juski:

aaanyway.. meanwhile, back in #mythtv-users... (before someone PMs me with A/S/L?)...

[23:52:38]

Juski:

:-P

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Dagmar:

hehe

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** xris wants to know what "aspie" is, too. **

[23:52:59]

Dagmar:

You want kids to learn about this stuff from the streets?

[23:53:03]

Dagmar:

Asperger's Syndrom

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xris:

oh

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Juski:

not a flattering thing to say about an ex, if I might point out

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Dagmar:

It's a type of autism that basically makes someone more or less incapable of seeing other people as having their own desires, goals, and problems.

[23:53:42]

Dagmar:

You know you're dealing when an aspie when your car breaks down and they say "Why does this always happen to me?"

[23:53:56]

Dagmar:

Commonly mistaken for just being a selfish asshole.

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kormoc:

wow, I didn't know 90% of the world had the condition

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xris:

Dagmar: so not the ACTUAL form of the disorder.

[23:54:20]

** gardengnome wonders if dagmas has got a nice webcam setup in his flat **

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gardengnome:

dagmar*

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Dagmar:

xris: No, it's an actual disorder

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scopeuk:

he means your ex

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xris:

Dagmar: yes, it is.. but what you described isn't it.

[23:54:51]

Dagmar:

http://www.udel.edu/bkirby/asperger/aswhatisit.html

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xris:

Dagmar: yes. I know what it is. that's not what you described.

[23:55:39]

Dagmar:

I'm only concerned about that part of it

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xris:

you described what could be called Asspberger's Syndrome...

[23:55:50]

Dagmar:

...because thta's the "relationship-tanking" part of it

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xris:

yeah. but that's the small part. the autistic side of it is the more important bit.

[23:56:20]

Dagmar:

Not if you've ever worked for a dot-com

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Dagmar:

You just stop noticing the other stuff

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** kormoc raises an eyebrow **

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Dagmar:

Note point A.4. on that page

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Dagmar:

Aspies do not usually just "sit and rock" and so forth

[23:57:15]

Dagmar:

...nor is it required that they do so

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xris:

that's hardly "incapable of seeing other people as having their own desires, goals, and problems."

[23:58:26]

Dagmar:

It's a layman's explanation

[23:58:37]

Dagmar:

You can spell it out for them and they can grasp it, sure.

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kormoc:

Hell, I'm sure I know a certain redhead who was far worse then a lot of Aspires are on that level...

[23:58:52]

Dagmar:

On their own, they're highly unlikely to ever notice non-overt cues

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GreyFoxx:

2

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Juski:

lol. I'm going to the 7th level of hell according to a daft online test I just completed. yay!

[23:59:30]

scopeuk:

around here that is normaly jsut refered too as dense

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AngryElf:

what's the best way to handle multiple listing with overlapping channels that have different channel #s?

[23:59:46]

scopeuk:

oh no im going to the hell witha chalk board and my y4 teacher

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xris:

AngryElf: um, they're different channels

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