| Tuesday, July 11th, 2006, 00:01 UTC | ||
| [00:01:55] | AngryElf: | MFE is seg faulting when I enter setup -> edit keys, should this be reported as a bug? |
| [00:02:12] | kormoc: | depends on why it's segfaulting |
| [00:02:23] | AngryElf: | -v all doesn't help much |
| [00:02:28] | kormoc: | strace/gdb |
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| [00:07:01] | Anduin: | GreyFoxx: Do you know what is up with the toc2rta site? (or better still have cmds.txt) |
| [00:07:16] | scopeuk: | Anduin its down |
| [00:07:42] | Anduin: | scopeuk: Yes, just wondering if someone had the file I don't have cached. |
| [00:08:44] | AngryElf: | kormoc I can't get much more info out of it using strace/gdb — the last thing before the seg fault is "QGDictIterator::toFirst: Dictionary has been deleted" |
| [00:09:33] | AngryElf: | it was doing this on a previous install, yet it doesn't do it on another box with the same setup |
| [00:09:47] | kormoc: | well, did you compile it yourself? |
| [00:10:16] | AngryElf: | yea |
| [00:10:25] | kormoc: | did you compile it with debugging enabled? |
| [00:11:02] | AngryElf: | :/ do i have to do that with mythtv or mythplugins or both? |
| [00:11:14] | kormoc: | mythtv would be enough likely |
| [00:11:26] | kormoc: | that would be why gdb isn't giving much help |
| [00:11:33] | kormoc: | as for strace, it's likely in there, just up a bit |
| [00:11:57] | AngryElf: | do i need to compile and install mythplugins again once mythtv has been compiled/installed with debug info? |
| [00:12:13] | kormoc: | I don't think so, but you might |
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| [00:23:56] | metalac: | where can i change the user? |
| [00:24:04] | kormoc: | what user? |
| [00:24:05] | metalac: | i want to change so that recordings are not saved under mythtv user |
| [00:24:21] | metalac: | for instance |
| [00:24:24] | kormoc: | well, you'll need to edit the init.d scripts your distro runs the backend as |
| [00:24:47] | metalac: | right now i run everything as "htpc" user, but stuff in ~/recordings is owned by "mythtv" |
| [00:27:10] | metalac: | i'm asuming i need to change the "chuid" argument?? |
| [00:27:28] | kormoc: | very likely, aye |
| [00:27:49] | kormoc: | keep in mind, your distro might just over-write your changes on updates |
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| [00:34:59] | AngryElf: | kormoc: Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. |
| [00:34:59] | AngryElf: | [Switching to Thread -1238858048 (LWP 32633)] |
| [00:34:59] | AngryElf: | 0xb6d28184 in QGDictIterator::QGDictIterator () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 |
| [00:35:25] | AngryElf: | which is right after: QGDictIterator::toFirst: Dictionary has been deleted |
| [00:35:38] | kormoc: | you need to get a backtrace |
| [00:37:34] | kormoc: | thread apply all bt full |
| [00:37:40] | kormoc: | that should give you a good backtrace |
| [00:37:54] | AngryElf: | do that in gdb? |
| [00:38:00] | kormoc: | aye |
| [00:38:04] | kormoc: | after it segfaults |
| [00:39:49] | AngryElf: | do you want to take a look at it? |
| [00:40:22] | AngryElf: | http://pastebin.ca/84519 |
| [00:42:18] | geemark: | how do I unmute a card with the IVTV driver? ivtvctl reports "Mute = 1" |
| [00:42:44] | AngryElf: | geemark, ivtvctl --help |
| [00:43:44] | geemark: | AngryElf: "ivtvctl -y mute=0" doesn't work |
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| [00:44:25] | AngryElf: | then it's probably your firmware |
| [00:44:40] | AngryElf: | check dmesg for errors, then make sure you're using the correct firmware and that it's in the right place |
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| [00:45:29] | AngryElf: | kormoc, i dont know if i should report all that info as a bug, or if there's something quirky going on on my machine.... |
| [00:46:52] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [00:46:55] | kormoc: | looks like it's in QT |
| [00:47:22] | kormoc: | what distro? |
| [00:47:50] | kormoc: | well, I'm headin home, be back laters |
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| [00:48:46] | Juski: | hmmm. I need to get mplayer to hide the damn mousey pointer |
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| [00:51:19] | gutano: | Juski: program called unclutter that will hide the cursor if it is over anything for a specified time |
| [00:52:30] | Juski: | gutano: I was thinking more along the lines of a command line switch |
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| [00:53:11] | Juski: | it's run with mplayer -vo xv -zoom -fs yet still the mousey is there |
| [00:53:12] | gutano: | don't recall seeing that in the man =( lower right hides it best, but a cmd line switch would be nice |
| [00:53:48] | Juski: | heh. this box doesn't have a mouse |
| [00:53:53] | Juski: | ah.. there's my clue |
| [00:53:56] | gutano: | lol |
| [00:53:57] | Juski: | corg.conf |
| [00:54:05] | Juski: | xorg.conf even |
| [00:54:07] | gutano: | custom icon? |
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| [00:57:27] | AngryElf: | the Edit Keys menu is part of the MythControls plugin, yes? |
| [00:57:49] | Juski: | yup |
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| [01:00:59] | Juski: | yay no more mousey |
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| [01:03:44] | MarcN: | anyone know the magic sources.list line for the dapper packages on hampsta.net? |
| [01:04:20] | MarcN: | never mind, found http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/wiki/index.php/FAQ#Ubuntu |
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| [01:09:06] | RandomDude16: | hey. |
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| [01:32:54] | RandomDude16: | I need help getting stuff to work in mythtv. |
| [01:34:04] | Anduin: | That is too specific. |
| [01:34:34] | RandomDude16: | i cant record in mythtv. |
| [01:34:36] | RandomDude16: | I press R |
| [01:34:45] | RandomDude16: | and no new file is made in my directory |
| [01:34:46] | RandomDude16: | >< |
| [01:34:59] | Anduin: | RandomDude16: And the backend log says? |
| [01:36:11] | RandomDude16: | hang on ill look |
| [01:37:50] | Juski: | omg ! this guy should work on myth's opengl gui... http://www.rasterman.com/files/rage2.avi |
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| [01:47:08] | siwelwerd: | hello |
| [01:49:36] | siwelwerd: | or not |
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| [01:52:31] | siwelwerd: | anyone awake? |
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| [01:56:01] | DrMitch: | what's the point of edit mode? |
| [01:56:14] | DrMitch: | i can make cut points, but can i DO anything with it? |
| [01:58:41] | Anduin: | DrMitch: Uh, the cut points are used during playback, and potentially during transcoding. |
| [01:58:58] | Anduin: | siwelwerd: Ask a real question, wait, sorta how IRC works. |
| [01:59:55] | siwelwerd: | my apologies. I was trying to be polite |
| [02:00:50] | Anduin: | siwelwerd: Yeah, doesn't always work. Hard to get someone to come forward if they don't know if they can even help you or not. |
| [02:01:18] | siwelwerd: | when i run mythtv-setup, i get the error "QMYSQL3 driver not loaded", which i gather is related to the qt-mysql plugin |
| [02:01:29] | Anduin: | It is. |
| [02:01:47] | siwelwerd: | i seem to have that library on my sysstem, but i'm not sure why it's not loading it |
| [02:02:10] | Anduin: | siwelwerd: distro? |
| [02:02:17] | siwelwerd: | slack |
| [02:02:58] | Anduin: | siwelwerd: And which lib do you think it is? |
| [02:03:33] | siwelwerd: | /usr/lib/qt/plugins/sqldrivers/libqsqlmysql.so |
| [02:04:21] | Anduin: | siwelwerd: There isn't a /usr/lib/qt-versionnumberhere? |
| [02:04:33] | siwelwerd: | /usr/lib/qt is a symlink to /usr/lib/qt-3.3.4 |
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| [02:06:02] | Anduin: | siwelwerd: Seems right |
| [02:06:40] | siwelwerd: | seems right to me too, which is why i can't figure out why i'm getting the error :) |
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| [02:11:14] | Anduin: | siwelwerd: maybe 'strings libqt-mt.so | grep qt_plgpath' just to make sure |
| [02:12:31] | siwelwerd: | i get "libqt-mt.so: No such file or directory" |
| [02:12:35] | Anduin: | siwelwerd: could also ldd libsqlmysql.so |
| [02:12:59] | Anduin: | siwelwerd: Yeah, in your /usr/lib/qt/lib dir (with the last command) |
| [02:13:58] | siwelwerd: | mmk, the first one gives /usr/lib/qt/plugins |
| [02:14:15] | Anduin: | The second is probably going to be more useful. |
| [02:14:54] | ** Anduin bets on missing mysql client lib ** | |
| [02:14:56] | siwelwerd: | what am i looking for in that output? |
| [02:15:17] | Anduin: | siwelwerd: something that doesn't have a pretty => some real file |
| [02:15:25] | siwelwerd: | the "libmysqlclient.so.14=> not found" at the top? |
| [02:15:33] | Anduin: | Yeah, that would be it. |
| [02:16:26] | ** Anduin resists the urge to blame slackware ** | |
| [02:16:49] | siwelwerd: | heh. go on and blame it, i normally use gentoo :) |
| [02:17:40] | GreyFoxx: | Juski: Whatever that video is from I love the look of the menusand the playback of all of the movies hehe |
| [02:18:27] | siwelwerd: | so what exactly did slackware do that isn't quite right? |
| [02:19:28] | Anduin: | siwelwerd: Managed to get the Qt MySQL driver installed without the MySQL client lib. |
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| [02:20:12] | Anduin: | GreyFoxx: Do you have cmds.txt (from toc2rta)? |
| [02:20:14] | siwelwerd: | well, i do have /usr/lib/mysql/libmysqlclient.so.15 |
| [02:20:37] | Anduin: | siwelwerd: Well it isn't being found. |
| [02:20:38] | GreyFoxx: | siwelwerd: Sounds like you installed a version of mysql newer than what QT was compiled against |
| [02:21:07] | GreyFoxx: | A major version newer,notjust minor revision |
| [02:21:14] | GreyFoxx: | Anduin: I believe so |
| [02:21:33] | Anduin: | GreyFoxx: If you do can you pastebin it? |
| [02:22:18] | GreyFoxx: | www.phaze.org/mythtv/msntv/cmds.txt |
| [02:22:31] | Anduin: | GreyFoxx: Thank you. |
| [02:22:38] | GreyFoxx: | When flashing only paste in 1 line at a time |
| [02:22:46] | GreyFoxx: | or you will very possibly kill it :) |
| [02:22:51] | siwelwerd: | hrmm, ok. so installing an older version of mySQL should do the trick then? |
| [02:23:26] | GreyFoxx: | siwelwerd: You have 2 choices, recompile QT to be compiled against the major verison of mysql you are using, or install a version of mysql matching what QT was compiled against |
| [02:23:58] | GreyFoxx: | Check the Slackwre CD and see what version of MySQL it would have installed and that would be the major version QT was compiled against |
| [02:24:33] | siwelwerd: | looks like i installed 5.0, and 4.1 is what slack lists |
| [02:25:00] | GreyFoxx: | And QT is expecting to find mysql 4.1 client libs |
| [02:28:17] | siwelwerd: | heh. i try to save time by not using gentoo and compiling it all myself, and all it does is cause me this hassle running this error down |
| [02:28:55] | Anduin: | Use the distro you are best at is good advice generally. |
| [02:29:29] | siwelwerd: | true, but then i'd never learn anything but the one |
| [02:29:48] | GreyFoxx: | siwelwerd: Loose what you installed, and install the slackware mysql packages and you should be good to go quickly |
| [02:29:55] | GreyFoxx: | Or pick something to recompile :) |
| [02:32:06] | ** GreyFoxx heads to the store before it closes ** | |
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| [02:46:54] | siwelwerd: | now i remember why i upgraded the mySQL (heh) |
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| [03:02:17] | adante: | any aussies around |
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| [03:17:52] | FunkyELF: | anybody here run a myth front end on xbmc? |
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| [03:36:15] | llyric: | adante: I'm in aussy |
| [03:37:28] | adante: | llyric: what dyou use for tv guide data? |
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| [03:51:20] | siwelwerd: | finally got it working. thanks for your help guys |
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| [03:53:21] | llyric: | I used to use Immir's datasource http://immir.com/tv_grab_au but channel 9 keeps changing their format, which breaks it |
| [03:53:41] | llyric: | So now I use J. robbo's data. Which is some guy who does all the scraping, and puts the final data up on the web |
| [03:54:16] | llyric: | See http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2006-June/140868.html |
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| [03:55:56] | WAR_CH|LD: | hell oteam |
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| [04:12:37] | llyric: | adante: ok? |
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| [04:14:28] | [Ex0r]: | ツ |
| [04:14:30] | [Ex0r]: | how does one make that ? |
| [04:15:57] | adante: | llyric: mm ok thanks! |
| [04:16:17] | adante: | yeah i used to use immirs.. just getting sick of the current arms race between mythtv users and nine :] |
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| [04:18:30] | dtm: | hi all. |
| [04:19:01] | dtm: | how do i grant all users from all hosts on my subnet, access to a mysql 3 db? |
| [04:19:28] | dtm: | i can't figure out the syntax but it's something like this ---> grant all privileges on mythconverg.* to 192.168.2.%; |
| [04:20:24] | dtm: | and i guess i magically can't use wildcards for the username, or else this would work --> GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON db.* TO david@'192.58.197.0/255.255.255.0'; |
| [04:21:17] | llyric: | adante: robbo's stuff works good for me, thrashes 9's website less, and is much faster. |
| [04:24:42] | adante: | llyric: sweet, i'll give it a go when i get home |
| [04:24:52] | adante: | have you tried any of the tvguide.org.au stuff? |
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| [04:33:07] | ThreeE: | I can't seem to get my domainname set. I have gone over the wiki page on FQDN setup, but when I type "hostname --fqdn" it only returns myhostname. I have a second box that I have setup the same way and it correctly returns myhostname.mydomainname. Any ideas? |
| [04:34:00] | ThreeE: | sorry, I meant that for a different channel.... |
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| [04:35:00] | llyric: | adante: no, I haven't looked at that |
| [04:36:40] | dtm: | does the mythplugin suite exist for macos? |
| [04:37:26] | dtm: | precompiled |
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| [05:01:30] | WAR_CH|LD: | whats better, lvm 1.0 or lvm 2? |
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| [05:07:56] | alieas: | hi, can anyone tell me whats the difference (if any) from selecting de-interlace playback and choosing an algorithm, and using "linerblend", etc on the next line as a filter. The user guide is unclear on this |
| [05:10:07] | llyric: | WAR_CH|LD: presumably lvm2, or they wouldnt have written it! :) |
| [05:10:20] | Dagmar: | I love "I can't Google" questions. |
| [05:14:44] | alieas: | Dagmar: me? |
| [05:16:17] | llyric: | alieas: interlacing is the "draw every second line, on alternate frames" |
| [05:16:37] | llyric: | alieas: turning off interlacing attempts to reconstitute the "missing line" from each from, by looking at it's neighbours |
| [05:16:43] | llyric: | There are a number of algorithms for this |
| [05:17:13] | Dagmar: | alieas: Yes. |
| [05:17:14] | Dagmar: | http://www.google.com/search?q=linear+blend+i . . . -US:official |
| [05:17:44] | Dagmar: | Note how simple the search terms chosen weer. |
| [05:17:51] | Dagmar: | s/weer/were/; |
| [05:18:09] | alieas: | well |
| [05:18:18] | alieas: | I understand the difference in the algorithms |
| [05:18:51] | Dagmar: | Like no one else in the world writing about them would describe what the pros and cons are, and what the visual effect these different routines would have. |
| [05:19:08] | Dagmar: | Google is your friend. |
| [05:19:14] | Dagmar: | Don't dis him like that. |
| [05:19:18] | Dagmar: | heh |
| [05:19:22] | alieas: | 0.19 has a check box for de-int, and then a filters field. |
| [05:19:47] | Dagmar: | It also comes with several themes. |
| [05:19:52] | alieas: | ha, funny |
| [05:20:01] | dtm: | how do i set an acl on mysql for permit all users on the subnet? |
| [05:20:32] | Dagmar: | dtm: You're not going to like how it has to be done. |
| [05:20:43] | xris: | dtm: grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@'192.168.0.%' identified by 'mythtv' |
| [05:20:57] | Dagmar: | dtm: Might be easier to just use iptables to block access off the subnet if you know iptables. |
| [05:21:14] | Dagmar: | xris: I think he might have been serious about "all users". :/ |
| [05:21:21] | xris: | oh |
| [05:21:27] | alieas: | I'm just asking whats the difference from typing "linerblend" into the filters field, or selecting the de-int checkbox and selecting the algorithm |
| [05:21:27] | xris: | there is no "all users" thing |
| [05:21:33] | Dagmar: | Exactly. |
| [05:21:43] | Dagmar: | It can be done but it's not amusing. |
| [05:21:56] | Dagmar: | I'm being "subtle". |
| [05:22:31] | dtm: | Dagmar: noted |
| [05:23:07] | dtm: | okay well the thing is that i set it to all my currently possible users in several ACLs. and it works from one host but not another. so i'll quintuple check that client's settings. |
| [05:23:15] | dtm: | i just want to be permissive, not restrictive |
| [05:23:23] | dtm: | as i have a firewall |
| [05:23:24] | Dagmar: | MySQL is kind of cockeyed in the way it applies ACLs, compared to what I'm used to |
| [05:23:28] | dtm: | k |
| [05:23:31] | dtm: | no surprise |
| [05:23:55] | Dagmar: | dtm: Well, most of the time it will let you do whatever you want with a completely made up username if you dont' supply any password, which is something I don't care for |
| [05:23:59] | alieas: | I said I read the whole user guide. dude you helped me one other time, but I've been working on this for 2 months and I only came in here to ask 6 questions. I got my kernel and myth all done from source, I just came to ask a simple questions from everyday users. |
| [05:24:00] | Dagmar: | Write operations are another matter |
| [05:24:03] | alieas: | you don't gotta be a dick about it |
| [05:24:16] | dtm: | Dagmar: yeah i dont care whether there's a password |
| [05:24:17] | alieas: | I've heard of "google" |
| [05:24:45] | Dagmar: | alieas: I'm not being a dick about it. I'm telling you that five of the first ten hits actually had detailed descriptions for the differences between the two. WAY more detail than anyone would want to type or flood the channel with. |
| [05:24:45] | WAR_CH|LD: | hey, I went with lvm2... :) hehe. anyone have experience with it? |
| [05:24:52] | Dagmar: | alieas: It's a really common thing for people to want to know |
| [05:25:15] | WAR_CH|LD: | the walkthoguht/howto on teh website says to use a program called e2fsadm but, with lvm2 it doens't exist... whats it been changed too? |
| [05:25:25] | alieas: | all I see is doom9 and avimux results |
| [05:25:29] | Dagmar: | dtm: Use a password on an username that doesn't exist, and it will reject you tho. |
| [05:25:37] | alieas: | how does this google query provide information about mythtv frontend configuration?> |
| [05:25:40] | dtm: | tcpdump running on the server, shows that it is receiving mysql packets from the client. i deleted the password on the client, because mysql is only set to accept it with no password. |
| [05:26:17] | Dagmar: | alieas: If you used the search terms that I did, doom9 doesn't even appear until the fifth entry so I've no idea what kind of argument you're trying to make by sayign that |
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| [05:26:46] | Dagmar: | alieas: You didn't ask that question. |
| [05:26:53] | dtm: | Dagmar: the backend is running correctly |
| [05:27:07] | Dagmar: | It's still rejecting your queries? |
| [05:27:13] | dtm: | Dagmar: it's timing out |
| [05:27:41] | dtm: | there are no lan firewalls involved |
| [05:27:58] | Dagmar: | dtm: Ah... Heh. Most distros start MySQLd with "--skip-networking". :) |
| [05:28:16] | Dagmar: | dtm: That kind of tanks things from the outset. You might wanna check that it's actually bothering to listen on the port |
| [05:28:22] | dtm: | Dagmar: and this client is macos, on which i have no standalone mysql client to test with |
| [05:28:34] | dtm: | Dagmar: yeah it is. mysql connections work from a linux client. |
| [05:28:37] | dtm: | and from localhost |
| [05:29:06] | Dagmar: | Hmm... That's *very* strange. Lemme check something here. |
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| [05:29:19] | dtm: | Dagmar: perhaps it's the mythbackend that's not listening. |
| [05:29:24] | dtm: | standby |
| [05:29:42] | alieas: | dagmar: ok at least your hearing me out on this. 1) VLC, 2) MPlayer (V4L), 3)Dead Link, 4) Generic DVD-Authoring 5) Doom9, 6) AVI-Mux. |
| [05:30:25] | dtm: | mythbackend is listening on tcp 6543, right? |
| [05:30:27] | dtm: | is that it? |
| [05:31:05] | alieas: | I just want to know if typing in "linearblend" in the filter field is the same as selecting the de-int checkbox and using linerblend as the algorithm. that is a yes or no answer, not pages to dump in irc. |
| [05:31:34] | Dagmar: | alieas: OKay then that's what you should have asked initially |
| [05:31:40] | alieas: | thats what I asked |
| [05:31:48] | Dagmar: | Do I gotta paste it back to you? |
| [05:32:14] | Dagmar: | Nevermind this is not productive |
| [05:32:16] | alieas: | <alieas> hi, can anyone tell me whats the difference (if any) from selecting de-interlace playback and choosing an algorithm, and using "linerblend", etc on the next line as a filter. |
| [05:32:44] | alieas: | ... see, the difference from using the checkbox and using it typed on the filter line |
| [05:33:11] | alieas: | I parse google's database like nobody's business |
| [05:33:21] | alieas: | I wouldn't ask if I didn't have a better place to go |
| [05:33:53] | Agrajag-: | alieas: i dont think anyone understood what you meant since you didn't say that you meant choosing the same algorithm as the one you typed in |
| [05:34:12] | alieas: | maybe it was worded bad |
| [05:34:12] | Dagmar: | dtm: This will help remarkably. netstat -tunap | grep myth |
| [05:34:31] | Dagmar: | Netstat is incredibly useful for figuring out what's bound to which interface |
| [05:34:58] | dtm: | Dagmar: yeahh that's waht i was looking at but i dont know what port mythbackend listens on. |
| [05:35:01] | Dagmar: | I'm still trying to dig up the #@!$@# command to make it spill the beans on table ACLs |
| [05:35:13] | Dagmar: | dtm: If it doesn't show up it's not even listening/running. |
| [05:35:35] | dtm: | yeah it's listening on 6543 and 6544. |
| [05:35:42] | dtm: | Dagmar: aha '-tunap' is good |
| [05:35:53] | Dagmar: | Yes. :) |
| [05:36:13] | Dagmar: | -p might not be available on some other, screwier Unixes like IRIX |
| [05:36:22] | dtm: | Dagmar: and my video digitizer is working and mythbackend is listening. |
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| [05:37:17] | Dagmar: | dtm: Sounds like what is needed is to try to watch the logs in realtime. http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/log-files.html |
| [05:37:22] | Dagmar: | Mostly the same as with 4 |
| [05:37:36] | Dagmar: | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/4.1/en/log-files.html |
| [05:37:38] | Dagmar: | There we are |
| [05:37:51] | dtm: | k |
| [05:38:12] | WAR_CH|LD: | all good, I wokred it out re: lvm2 |
| [05:38:13] | WAR_CH|LD: | :) |
| [05:38:45] | Dagmar: | General query log is what we want to watch |
| [05:39:21] | Dagmar: | You might need to stop mysql and modify it's rc script to make it start logging using --log=logfile tho |
| [05:42:42] | jedix: | is this because I'm running 2.6.17.4: RingBuf(/var/lib/mythtv//1209_20060711011327.mpg): Invalid file (fd 16) when opening '/var/lib/mythtv//1209_20060711011327.mpg'. 0 retries remaining. |
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| [05:44:42] | dtm: | Dagmar: those docs dont specify how to enable general query log. |
| [05:45:03] | ThreeE: | Hey all. My mythtv install works great — but in my dmesg, I see lines that say things like "ivtv1: Failed to load module tuner" it does this for tuner, tda9887, cx25840, and wm8775. What's up with that? |
| [05:45:06] | dtm: | Dagmar: they just specify how to enable any logging at all |
| [05:45:17] | Dagmar: | dtm: Eh? http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/4.1/en/query-log.html |
| [05:45:28] | Dagmar: | "To enable the general query log, start mysqld with the --log[=file_name] or -l [file_name] option." |
| [05:45:32] | dtm: | yeah. i have /var/log/mysqld.log |
| [05:45:35] | dtm: | it has no queries in it |
| [05:45:49] | dtm: | oh that's the err-log. |
| [05:45:50] | dtm: | standby |
| [05:45:53] | Dagmar: | ...and yet you say tcpdump is saying that connections to the host are actually being made? Oh |
| [05:45:58] | dtm: | yes |
| [05:46:22] | Dagmar: | Okay, error log... Yeah, access control rejections aren't errors |
| [05:46:42] | Dagmar: | Everything is working normally (in theory) when it just says "bugger off" |
| [05:46:52] | Dagmar: | Not sure why you client end would be timing out tho |
| [05:47:36] | Dagmar: | Hey you don't have a tcp_wrappers line forbidding conections from there do you? |
| [05:47:53] | Dagmar: | mysql is trivial to link against libwrap. It might be what's going awry. |
| [05:48:21] | Dagmar: | If you've got ALL:ALL in hosts.deny and no entry for mysql in hosts.allow, it's almost certainly what's stuffing things up |
| [05:48:52] | Dagmar: | er mysqld |
| [05:49:11] | Dagmar: | ...but the query log might say something useful if that's not the case. (It should be sayign *something* anyway) |
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| [05:56:32] | dtm_: | okay. router crash. |
| [05:56:40] | dtm_: | mysql query logging enabled |
| [05:58:18] | dtm_: | mysql is receiving queries from the macos client. |
| [05:58:24] | dtm_: | from mythfrontend on macos |
| [05:58:40] | libolt: | is it freaking out at all the apples getting tossed at it? |
| [05:58:50] | Dagmar: | heh |
| [05:58:51] | dtm_: | :-o |
| [06:00:03] | dtm_: | so, that means that mysql is working. |
| [06:00:14] | dtm_: | because the mythfrontend has authenticated in order to make any queries at all. |
| [06:00:32] | Dagmar: | maybe not for that table |
| [06:00:41] | dtm_: | there are no per-table ACLs |
| [06:00:45] | dtm_: | on this host |
| [06:00:56] | dtm_: | or would you care to specify how i can dump the acl to verify that? |
| [06:00:59] | Dagmar: | So it's your backend that's being bitchy then |
| [06:01:57] | Dagmar: | ...or are you seeing access denials being logged? |
| [06:02:08] | dtm_: | not on mysql. i'm seeing queries. |
| [06:02:16] | dtm_: | if i see queries, the ACL has been satisfied |
| [06:02:28] | dtm_: | babysitting mythbackend... |
| [06:02:30] | dtm_: | reading logs.. |
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| [06:03:15] | dtm: | i can telnet to the two mythbackend ports and give bogus commands and they're logged |
| [06:03:51] | Dagmar: | This is not looking good then |
| [06:03:58] | dtm: | perhaps mysql corruption? |
| [06:04:01] | dtm: | yet again? |
| [06:04:02] | Dagmar: | Do you have a logfile on the frontend? |
| [06:04:10] | dtm: | hmmmmm i'll look |
| [06:04:38] | Dagmar: | The frontend and backend have to be the same version, but I thought it would complain explicitly about being rejected if that were the problem |
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| [06:05:30] | dtm: | they're the same |
| [06:05:56] | dtm: | 0.19.2 |
| [06:06:02] | Dagmar: | When did that come out?? |
| [06:06:02] | dtm: | er 0.19 |
| [06:06:05] | dtm: | keke ;) |
| [06:06:06] | Dagmar: | Oh. heh |
| [06:06:13] | dtm: | i saw "0.19.20060121" |
| [06:06:26] | dtm: | lol. |
| [06:06:40] | dtm: | no apparent log |
| [06:06:42] | dtm: | on mythfrontend |
| [06:07:09] | Dagmar: | mythfrontend -v all -l /home/mythtv/mythfrontend.log |
| [06:07:17] | Dagmar: | Change path to taste |
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| [06:08:52] | dtm: | it's ok to use a custom identifier for the frontned, right? |
| [06:09:55] | Dagmar: | If you don't want the preferences you set to go away when/if the hostname of the frontend changes |
| [06:10:11] | dtm: | yeah it's totally my discretion, right? no impact on anything? |
| [06:10:17] | Dagmar: | Not that I'm aware of |
| [06:10:19] | dtm: | k |
| [06:10:44] | DrMitch: | so i wanna record the daily show/cobert report, but there are reruns on until like 8-ish, how do i have it record the latest show, rather than the rerun, without giving it a specific time? I'm doing "Record one showing every day" but what happens if it conflicts with another recording?" |
| [06:10:51] | Dagmar: | I've been keeping it on and setting it to the hostname itself |
| [06:11:24] | xris: | DrMitch: "only record new shows" or something like that. it won't touch reruns. |
| [06:11:39] | xris: | but better make sure your priority on that show is hig |
| [06:11:42] | xris: | high |
| [06:11:58] | [Ex0r]: | still can't afford the pvr cards yet :( |
| [06:12:06] | Dagmar: | Save your nickels. |
| [06:12:11] | Dagmar: | You won't be sorry |
| [06:12:25] | Dagmar: | The 150 has gotten really cheap |
| [06:12:39] | Dagmar: | I'm seriously thinking about adding a 150 to go with my 500 |
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| [06:12:54] | xris: | [Ex0r]: pvr-150 is $60... decent bttv card is.. $40–50? not that much more. |
| [06:12:57] | DrMitch: | xris, i don't seem to have that option |
| [06:13:03] | DrMitch: | is it like a svn or something? |
| [06:13:10] | Dagmar: | I just wish there were *any* possible way to sync what comes out of a PVR card with what might be showing through a Bt8x8 card |
| [06:13:14] | [Ex0r]: | xris, I know, paying for school right now |
| [06:13:19] | xris: | DrMitch: didn't think so. but I may be confusing it with some other option. |
| [06:13:25] | xris: | [Ex0r]: school is more important. :) |
| [06:13:28] | Dagmar: | Then I could change channels withotu that irritating delay and not have to add like, another two tuners just to deal with it |
| [06:13:45] | xris: | until you're like me with $35k in loans and computer skills that far surpass anything either of my degrees will get me. |
| [06:13:55] | Dagmar: | Plus I think people might balk at the idea of adding $125 worth of hardware just to eliminate the channel change delay |
| [06:14:05] | [Ex0r]: | lol |
| [06:14:09] | [Ex0r]: | already good with computers |
| [06:14:15] | [Ex0r]: | and almost over 35k in loans |
| [06:14:40] | Dagmar: | Find a cheaper school nearby whose credits can be transferred and take some of the classes there maybe |
| [06:14:45] | xris: | actually, I think I'm more around $31k now. been paying them off for awhile now. |
| [06:14:59] | Dagmar: | I'm just going to get a mill diploma this next year |
| [06:15:00] | [Ex0r]: | Dagmar, already am :) I am so far behind on math I have to take extra classes to catch up |
| [06:15:34] | Dagmar: | For most schools comp sci programs I could take all the exams for everything up through the junior year cold and pass them |
| [06:16:19] | [Ex0r]: | me too |
| [06:16:33] | [Ex0r]: | but I am so far behind on math, that I have to take them all to take the classes |
| [06:17:18] | Dagmar: | I've got so much practical work experience no one would bother blinking at a mill diploma |
| [06:18:24] | xris: | Dagmar: that's why no one cares about my liberal arts degrees. |
| [06:18:57] | Dagmar: | heh |
| [06:19:27] | Dagmar: | I'd have taken that route but it's already been proven that I have no soul |
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| [06:20:14] | xris: | Dagmar:well, I didn't intend to do computer work as a career. |
| [06:20:18] | Dagmar: | I did |
| [06:20:25] | xris: | I enjoy it too much. the instant that it becomes "work" I don't want to do it anymore. |
| [06:20:34] | Dagmar: | I take a different approach. |
| [06:20:50] | Dagmar: | I think of a career as "finding a way to get people to pay you money for what you were already doing" |
| [06:20:57] | xris: | but it pays at least twice what I could make with philosophy/anthro degrees. and so far it's still fun |
| [06:21:23] | xris: | Dagmar: I'd love to get paid to do OSS development... |
| [06:21:37] | Dagmar: | I was already doing a lot of PC hardware tinkering when I got tired of being broke and just went to find someone to pay me to do it for them |
| [06:21:45] | xris: | that's one reason I like my current job. 20–30% of the code in mythweb was paid for by work. heh. |
| [06:22:24] | DrMitch: | damn, every website seems to think there's a "record new episodes only" but i don't see it |
| [06:22:26] | Dagmar: | We should pull off something like the recording industry has managed with blank media taxes in a lot of countries |
| [06:22:35] | Dagmar: | Find a way for Microsoft to be taxed to fund OSS |
| [06:22:37] | Dagmar: | :) |
| [06:22:53] | xris: | DrMitch: mythweb? |
| [06:23:11] | Dagmar: | Drmitcj: It's one of the options you select when you actually schedule a new recording |
| [06:23:17] | DrMitch: | now there |
| [06:23:19] | Dagmar: | It's not in one of the setup menus |
| [06:24:00] | DrMitch: | i'm in the program guide, i go to a show, and press enter, then enter on the recording types. and i dont' see the new episodes only |
| [06:24:40] | dtm: | xris: where do you work |
| [06:24:41] | xris: | great. my backend is freaking out again. |
| [06:24:44] | Dagmar: | There's more selector widgets than just that one |
| [06:24:45] | xris: | dtm: siliconmechanics.com |
| [06:25:22] | dtm: | xris: what do they have to do with mythweb? |
| [06:25:57] | Dagmar: | Probably they do PHP/mysql/CGI stuff |
| [06:26:02] | dtm: | xris: oh yeah we talked about things before. i dont recall you mentioning mythweb though. |
| [06:26:04] | DrMitch: | oooo i see it! |
| [06:26:06] | xris: | dtm: I'm a web developer (actually, I run the development dept).. LOTS of code is shared. db connect routines, javascript, etc.. company is cool with open sourcing code as long as it's nothing proprietary |
| [06:26:18] | DrMitch: | yeah for me! |
| [06:26:19] | Dagmar: | If nothing else you can do like I've done in the past. |
| [06:26:35] | Dagmar: | Tell the boss "There's a guy whose going to publish an opensource tool for that in about a week, and we can use it." |
| [06:26:43] | Dagmar: | then I go home and write it |
| [06:26:58] | dtm: | lol |
| [06:27:00] | dtm: | clevah |
| [06:27:03] | dtm: | DEVILISHLY CLEVAH |
| [06:27:10] | Dagmar: | It's the only way around some companies' IP rules |
| [06:27:21] | Dagmar: | I borrow my own code a lot |
| [06:27:38] | Dagmar: | Somtimes I have to write angry emails to myself about not following the GPL. |
| [06:28:03] | dtm: | lol? |
| [06:28:14] | dtm: | well done sir. way to take a hit for the team. |
| [06:28:31] | Dagmar: | I forgot to do this once and I was kicking myself for weeks |
| [06:28:36] | dtm: | yeah. :/ |
| [06:28:52] | Dagmar: | I figured out how to make a perl program fork() between machines using Data::Dumper and ssh, and then the company @#$@@ folded |
| [06:29:37] | Dagmar: | Either I forgot some magic trick I stumbled upon, or they changed some stuff in perl so you can't do that anymore. |
| [06:29:41] | Dagmar: | Iv'e not been able to recreate it since |
| [06:30:17] | xris: | Dagmar: that's another thing I do.. a lot of the code I use at work comes from stuff I've written on my own.. so I license it to myself at work under a special lgpl type license that requires the company release changes under the gpl |
| [06:30:33] | Dagmar: | Good for you |
| [06:30:36] | xris: | I've added a bunch of disclaimers about that at the top of a bunch of mythweb's files (db.php, etc) |
| [06:31:07] | Dagmar: | Oooh hey |
| [06:31:18] | xris: | but since "the company" as far as the developers go is pretty much me and kormoc (one other guy who doesn't care much one way or another), it's pretty easy |
| [06:31:28] | Dagmar: | I've been meaning to ask... HAve you *ever* found a way to get mysql to flush out the slack space in a table's file without it locking the db? |
| [06:31:56] | Dagmar: | I am beginning to think this is one of the "not possible" things with mysqld |
| [06:31:57] | xris: | you mean "optimize table" ? |
| [06:32:01] | Dagmar: | Yeah, it locks the db |
| [06:32:07] | xris: | should only lock the table |
| [06:32:11] | Dagmar: | er table. |
| [06:32:14] | xris: | depends on the table type, though. |
| [06:32:53] | xris: | it's *supposed* to only do a read lock on part of the table, though... |
| [06:32:54] | Dagmar: | I have a cron job that I know at some point is going to send myth spiraling down in flames on me because of it |
| [06:34:42] | xris: | in myth's case, the optimize shouldn't take more than a half second or so (2 at the most for recordedmarkup) |
| [06:35:12] | Dagmar: | Yeah I wrote a shell script version of your repair_optimize.pl, and it executes pretty fast, but at some point I think it's still going to bone me |
| [06:35:26] | xris: | shouldn't. myth's db calls should block |
| [06:35:33] | Dagmar: | OH! |
| [06:35:40] | Dagmar: | That's something I didn't know. That's good then |
| [06:35:41] | xris: | most mysql calls do |
| [06:35:56] | Dagmar: | I'm having to learn way too much about mysql with this |
| [06:36:08] | dtm: | can anyone else think of why my macos frontend doesn't work? |
| [06:36:16] | dtm: | oh yeah i'll try the log. |
| [06:36:41] | Dagmar: | Well, I guess there's no "too much" about it, I just get antsy about (for a change) having this "what the hell does this actually do" feeling |
| [06:37:14] | Dagmar: | Firewalling and networking I do in my sleep. I've basically ignored database technology until now as a local DBA problem |
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| [06:38:00] | Dagmar: | Eep. Now I see that I probably do need to ask that guy for wiki access. |
| [06:38:11] | Dagmar: | The parts of the wiki that deal with the interface menus are missing quite a bit of data |
| [06:38:29] | dtm: | aha! it *IS* a mysql error! wtf |
| [06:38:40] | dtm: | Access denied for user: 'mythtv@192.168.2.2' (Using password: YES) |
| [06:38:41] | Dagmar: | nevermind that. Got the ivtv wiki mixed up with the mythwiki |
| [06:38:59] | Dagmar: | dtm: You've either got the password wrong or one is being supplied and you've no password set |
| [06:39:05] | dtm: | Dagmar: please tell me the command to flush an acl and to do a new one for a given user to mythconverg from any host on the lan |
| [06:39:21] | dtm: | i deleted the passwd in mythfrontend coz mysql doesn't want one. |
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| [06:39:40] | Dagmar: | flush privledges (but instead spelled correctly) is part of it |
| [06:39:55] | Dagmar: | I always have to chekc the manual for that stuff still |
| [06:40:19] | dtm: | Dagmar: oh wait! no. for some reason, it lost that setting and started up on the settings screen with the default password. i corrected that and it's moving on. |
| [06:40:38] | dtm: | i guess i'ts regenerating everything coz i'm running it from the tty now instead of Finder |
| [06:40:45] | Dagmar: | Ah good. http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/4.1/en/user-a . . . agement.html says how to set passwords and nuke/make users |
| [06:40:51] | dtm: | i see plenty of correct sql queries again. |
| [06:40:58] | dtm: | lalalala |
| [06:41:20] | dtm: | aha!! wrong ip address of backend. fired. |
| [06:41:37] | dtm: | i moved residences, and had to change lans |
| [06:41:43] | Dagmar: | Ah... I'd use hostnames |
| [06:41:57] | dtm: | luxury. |
| [06:42:06] | Dagmar: | Not really. Laziness. |
| [06:42:16] | Dagmar: | This is why I have a dhcp server and a name server in-house in the first place |
| [06:42:24] | dtm: | Arrogance. |
| [06:42:35] | Dagmar: | Nope. Flat out laziness. |
| [06:42:52] | Dagmar: | There's a scifi short story called "The Man Who Was Too Lazy To Fail" that describes why I do a lot of the things I do. |
| [06:43:15] | dtm: | okay i dont know who you're talking about any more but that doesn't apply to me. |
| [06:43:23] | Dagmar: | I'll readily go overkill on something if I think it's going to make things simpler/easier later on |
| [06:43:36] | dtm: | yeah me too. |
| [06:43:49] | Dagmar: | ...and I HATE stuff falling over when I'm not in a mood to deal with it |
| [06:44:18] | Dagmar: | That was why I got called to work for the dot-com over in san fran. They needed someone to ride herd on all the firewalls and put a stop to random vpn failures |
| [06:44:21] | dtm: | okay where in the mythfrontend do i tell it the ip address of the backend |
| [06:45:02] | dev: | mythtv-setup |
| [06:45:14] | dtm: | on the frontend? |
| [06:45:28] | Dagmar: | The perl hostfork() thing was an attempt at automating system updates wihtout having to do it from one host that might or might not be reachable at any given point. |
| [06:45:29] | dtm: | oh i need to run that on the backend and it sets it for the frontend in the db? |
| [06:45:40] | dev: | no, on the frontend |
| [06:45:43] | Dagmar: | afaik you have to run mythtv-setup on the frontends |
| [06:46:32] | Dagmar: | You could just populate the mysql.txt file manually, but then you'd have the joy of poking the rest of the settings into the DB by hand |
| [06:46:52] | dev: | yeah there's more than just mysql.txt |
| [06:47:05] | dev: | mythtv-setup, general, you're golden |
| [06:47:44] | dtm: | mythtv-setup doesn't exist in this macos package |
| [06:48:00] | Dagmar: | Ouch |
| [06:48:21] | dtm: | i dont recall ever having run it before other than on the server. i'll check there. |
| [06:48:22] | dev: | then its off to the settings table in mythconverg for you |
| [06:48:54] | Dagmar: | I guess i'm going to have to pay more attention which things in mythtv-setup apply to the frontend and which ones apply to teh backend |
| [06:54:04] | dtm: | holy crap mysql.txt was wrong. |
| [06:54:16] | dtm: | now running mythtv-setup on the backend host. |
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| [07:04:17] | dtm: | things seem to be working fine! thanks for your help guys |
| [07:04:19] | dtm: | Dagmar: thanks |
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| [07:45:41] | haj: | i can't seem to make mythtv always record Simpsons, program name and description never changes in the guide, but, how do i make it stop the dupe-check completely for a schedule? it tells me that 'This episode has been recorded' |
| [07:46:20] | haj: | I have it set to 'Check for duplicates in: Only new episodes' and 'Duplicate Check Method: None'.. in my mind that seems correct? |
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| [08:22:48] | Gumby: | sweet, just got my via epia running as a frontend flawlessly. now I just have to get my ati radeon card's tv out working |
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| [08:35:53] | Ruleke: | Hello all. Does anyone know what the status/plan is for recording multiple channels from a single DVB transport ? |
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| [08:45:05] | Merlin83b2: | Ruleke: You'll get better luck asking later in the day. If you're offering to work on it you'd be better of talking in #mythtv |
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| [08:58:35] | Ruleke: | Merlin83b: for a start I was wondering if it was considered, as I've read some maillist entries where the USA users dont see much use as very few PIDs are in the same mux there :P |
| [08:59:57] | Merlin83b: | I believe it's been talked about, but I don't follow the lists that closely. |
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| [09:01:51] | Ruleke: | I also found ticket 1772 |
| [09:02:56] | Ruleke: | I'm having a hard time in general to follow the devel of myth these days, with all the branches :P |
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| [09:09:04] | Merlin83b: | All the branches? 19-fixes, head and eit... Are there more? |
| [09:09:57] | Merlin83b: | I think EIT is close to being all merged back into head and being closed. |
| [09:11:36] | Ruleke: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches |
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| [09:16:52] | Merlin83b: | Okay, so there's quite a few. |
| [09:17:00] | Merlin83b: | Stick to head and you can't go too far wrong :-) |
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| [09:29:26] | asd26: | hail |
| [09:29:41] | asd26: | dudes i think my .lircrc failed |
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| [09:31:22] | Juski: | morning |
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| [09:32:25] | asd26: | dd = failed on me..had to reinstall mythtv |
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| [09:34:32] | Juski: | I've never had much luck with dd, funnily enough |
| [09:36:38] | asd26: | hey i deleted /home/mythtv/.lircrc |
| [09:36:50] | Juski: | oops |
| [09:36:58] | asd26: | and created a new one could that be my problem? |
| [09:37:25] | Juski: | if you didn't do it right, yes |
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| [09:38:02] | Juski: | the button definitions should match up with those in your /etc/lircd.conf |
| [09:39:44] | asd26: | i need a new job, all i get from work critism |
| [09:40:04] | galorin: | I'm ticked. I spent a month setting up mythtv for my bro-in-law (he wanted me to make all his little niggles go away, and he's a perfectionist) and now he wants to switch the box to Windows and some funky media center program he heard about from a "friend".. all because mythmusic crashes every now and then. |
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| [09:40:38] | Juski: | galorin: so get a contract out on him :-P |
| [09:40:47] | asd26: | galorin the customer is always right |
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| [09:41:09] | Juski: | mythmusic isn't worth a light right now anyway IMHO |
| [09:41:46] | galorin: | As long as he kept Linux on it, I'd do work on it. He's got plenty of friends who are better with MS than I am. |
| [09:42:18] | Juski: | it doesn't matter how 'good' at windows you are, in my experience. it's still a PoS |
| [09:43:31] | Juski: | as if media portal is any less crashy anyway. mythtv til I die! |
| [09:44:29] | galorin: | He's going to have fun though.. his music and video directories are managed by LVM spanning a few drives, and I have no idea what happened to the cd's that'll have his Windows drivers on 'em. |
| [09:44:42] | Juski: | lol |
| [09:45:00] | Juski: | the grass always being greener on the other side.. he'll learn soon enough |
| [09:45:19] | asd26: | ism't lircrc to be linked? |
| [09:45:37] | asd26: | whats media portal? |
| [09:45:46] | Juski: | there aren't that many ways to make mythmusic crash though are there? Before 0.19 I used to manage it regularly but not now |
| [09:46:03] | Juski: | asd26: mediaportal is a .NET port of xbox media center (sic) |
| [09:46:20] | Juski: | asd26: link ~/.mythtv/lircrc to ~/.lircrc |
| [09:48:43] | galorin: | I've got no idea how he manages to crash it. He can force a crash by exiting mythmusic, going back in, changing the random play model, exiting, and it crashes when he goes back in. I do the same thing, and it's rock-solid. |
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| [09:49:30] | Juski: | why not try taking mythmusic out of the equation altogether? I've seen MMS & it looks much better |
| [09:50:03] | galorin: | MMS? |
| [09:50:08] | Juski: | it's easy to run external apps from the menus with a little bit of editing |
| [09:50:10] | Juski: | yeah MMS |
| [09:50:15] | asd26: | Juski /home/mythtv/.lircrc has to be linked with ? |
| [09:50:44] | Juski: | asd26: /home/mythtv/.lircrc has to be linked with, or copied from, /home/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc |
| [09:51:59] | Juski: | oops. xmms |
| [09:52:29] | Juski: | xmms also has a plugin which is the linux port of MilkDrop :-D |
| [09:52:30] | asd26: | ok copied it over hope it works |
| [09:52:40] | galorin: | that makes more sense then. LOL |
| [09:52:49] | asd26: | bach was genius |
| [09:54:59] | asd26: | hey dudes what causes the front end to crash? nvida thing? |
| [09:55:05] | galorin: | I'll see if he will let me make that change. He's dead-set on switching though. Should I put mythtv back on if he later decides he's worse off with MS? Or should I charge him for it this time.. |
| [09:55:43] | Juski: | just leave him to rot |
| [09:55:51] | Juski: | he doesn't deserve help |
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| [09:56:17] | Juski: | but hey, I'm just kind like that |
| [09:58:20] | galorin: | I'm of the same opinion. |
| [10:00:12] | qu0zl: | galorin, whatever you do, backup /root |
| [10:00:16] | qu0zl: | so you have all your config |
| [10:00:19] | galorin: | Now, I just need to find somewhere that I can get my own DVB-T tuner from and set up my own Mythbox. How powerful would I need a frontend PC to be if I've got my AMD64 running as the backend? |
| [10:00:21] | qu0zl: | , / even |
| [10:01:12] | Juski: | galorin: AMD64 is prolly a bit much for recording DVB-T. my 800 Mhz box would top out at 5% recording 2 shows at the same time |
| [10:01:32] | Juski: | unless you're gonna be doing a lot of commflagging & transcoding... |
| [10:01:38] | galorin: | qu0zl, I learned a lot installing mythtv for the first time. 'd do it completely different the next time around. |
| [10:01:45] | qu0zl: | the power of the backend won't really make much of a difference to the frontend |
| [10:02:17] | Juski: | anyway I can play back SDTV dvb-t recordings on a mobile celery 733 with 128MB RAM |
| [10:02:27] | Juski: | with lots of cpu to spare |
| [10:02:54] | galorin: | Juski, I've only got 1 PC active ATM, and it's my AMD64. My others all weigh in at under 400MHz. |
| [10:03:20] | Juski: | under 400Mhz might still be ok.. if you put a GF4 nvidia card in there & use xvmc |
| [10:03:51] | galorin: | that'd be fun, no AGP slots in 'em... heck one of them still has a bank of ISA slots. |
| [10:03:59] | Juski: | heh |
| [10:04:09] | Juski: | so use the backend as a frontend too |
| [10:05:36] | Juski: | or use a 400mhz machine as the dvb-t backend.. so long as it has enough ide bus bandwidth it'd be fine |
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| [10:07:42] | galorin: | I'll do more research on it... I'd like to get one of my old boxes set up again as a LTSP client for my daughter to use. I really need to get on the virtualization bandwagon for what I want to do with my systems. |
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| [10:09:39] | dorel_1: | umm, after i have my channel change script (the ir blaster thing) do i need to define it somewhere on mythtv to tell it that on tv mode to send commands through irsend? |
| [10:10:03] | geemark: | how can it be, that when I run mythfrontend on a 3 ghz celeron, Xorg uses 99.9 % cpu? |
| [10:10:42] | Juski: | geemark: something is very very wrong. that's how |
| [10:11:10] | geemark: | Juski: i gathered... |
| [10:11:12] | Juski: | dorel_1: in mythtv-setup, in the video source page |
| [10:11:37] | asd26: | my time on mythtv is wrong |
| [10:12:14] | Juski: | geemark: using nvidia? try disabling opengl vsync in nvidia-settings |
| [10:12:48] | asd26: | lol |
| [10:12:56] | asd26: | i only have 5 GB for mythtv |
| [10:13:11] | asd26: | dam upgrade install..lol |
| [10:14:49] | Juski: | geemark: also try not using xvmc.. opengl vsync & xvmc still cause issues, i've heard |
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| [10:15:10] | geemark: | Juski: xvmc? |
| [10:15:32] | Juski: | geemark: if you don't know what it is you're probably not using it |
| [10:15:57] | Juski: | when is mythfrontend using so much cpu.. during playback? |
| [10:16:20] | geemark: | in the menus also |
| [10:16:33] | Juski: | in the menus? something really IS very wrong |
| [10:16:42] | geemark: | whenever I change the active menu item, it uses 60% or so |
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| [10:16:52] | PaulWay: | Hi all! |
| [10:17:12] | geemark: | the existing X server runs at normal usage |
| [10:17:26] | geemark: | only when mythfrontend is running, that it causes problems |
| [10:17:51] | Juski: | run mythfrontend with -v all – see what it's doing |
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| [10:20:05] | PaulWay: | I'm getting a very weird problem where the TV changes from WatchingPreRecorded to None and then _immediately_ back to WatchingPreRecorded (usually another show). |
| [10:20:14] | geemark: | Juski: i see no errors, what am I looking for? |
| [10:20:18] | PaulWay: | I should run mythfrontend -v all to see what it does... |
| [10:21:26] | PaulWay: | I don't suppose anyone else is getting this problem? |
| [10:21:55] | Juski: | geemark: you're looking to see what could be causing all the cpu usage.. you might even have to resort to strace |
| [10:22:23] | Dibblah: | strace? Sheesh :) |
| [10:22:29] | Juski: | PaulWay: maybe try explaining it in more detail & posting some log output |
| [10:23:01] | Juski: | mythbackend log output too |
| [10:23:03] | Dibblah: | oprofile's so much more fun to get set up :) |
| [10:23:23] | Dibblah: | PaulWay: Which version? |
| [10:24:21] | Dibblah: | Damn. It's hard to type when a kitten wants to lick your fingers. |
| [10:25:44] | PaulWay: | Dibblah: 0.19 |
| [10:26:02] | PaulWay: | Know that feeling; unfortunately my kitten is now with another servant. |
| [10:26:17] | PaulWay: | Juski: I'm trying to get more information on it. |
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| [10:32:37] | geemark: | Juski: it does not report anything suspicious |
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| [10:44:10] | dorel__: | thanks juski |
| [10:44:42] | dorel__: | im on the video source setup but im not seeing any mentioning of external script name. i got xmltv listing grabber and channel frequency table |
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| [10:54:22] | dorel_1: | my internet connection here sucks |
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| [11:36:39] | geemark: | how do I make the myth frontend autostart on system boot? |
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| [11:54:03] | evilmnky: | geemark: /etc/rc.d .. possibly |
| [11:54:29] | evilmnky: | you would have to set gdm to login a user automatically |
| [11:54:59] | evilmnky: | create a new user, and start myth frontend but logout/save the session |
| [11:55:27] | evilmnky: | the rc.d thing probably wont work, it requires an X session to be logged in I think |
| [11:55:54] | evilmnky: | geemark: what distro do you use.. etc |
| [11:56:43] | geemark: | evilmnky: debian |
| [11:56:43] | Juski: | gdm is a bit excessive for a frontend, don't you think? slow, too |
| [11:57:05] | evilmnky: | yeah, you can use a empty X session if you want... |
| [11:57:27] | Juski: | rc.local.. startx, start evilwm (fluxbox etc).. start mythfrontend.. |
| [11:57:27] | evilmnky: | let me think for a second.. |
| [11:57:46] | evilmnky: | Juski: whats the file that you can modify what starts when X starts |
| [11:57:53] | evilmnky: | the file you can select your window manager in |
| [11:58:16] | evilmnky: | also, how would you make X login a user automatically.. that'd be nice too |
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| [11:59:07] | evilmnky: | xinitrc ? |
| [12:00:09] | evilmnky: | bleh, he dipped.. |
| [12:00:11] | evilmnky: | I'll look it up |
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| [12:09:56] | PaulWay: | evilmnky: I think the file you refer to is ~/.xinitrc |
| [12:10:30] | evilmnky: | PaulWay: so how do you make X login automatically with the user.. so ~/.xinitrc can run ? |
| [12:10:49] | PaulWay: | Run gdmsetup and it'll configure it for you. |
| [12:11:18] | PaulWay: | I think that's it... |
| [12:12:13] | PaulWay: | Yep, that's it. |
| [12:12:25] | PaulWay: | At least it is using xorg on Fedora. |
| [12:15:22] | PaulWay: | OK, I've grovelled through the mythfrontend -v all logs and I've found the point at which it changes from stopping watching a recording to instantly starting to watch it again. |
| [12:15:36] | PaulWay: | Anyone around to help me with this? |
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| [12:18:13] | ** PaulWay grabs a new pastebin to put the supererogatory logs in. ** | |
| [12:18:44] | stuarta: | what's the problem you are having? |
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| [12:24:35] | PaulWay: | The log section is http://pastebin.ca/84874 |
| [12:25:02] | PaulWay: | The problem is that I hit escape to finish watching a pre-recorded show and it pauses for about five seconds and then starts playing the same show again from the beginning. |
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| [12:26:05] | PaulWay: | Between line 34 and 39 it immediately goes back to watching TV. |
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| [12:29:19] | stuarta: | if you do those queries manually do you get anything interesting... |
| [12:29:31] | PaulWay: | Hmmm. Will try. Good thinking. |
| [12:29:46] | stuarta: | brb |
| [12:31:11] | PaulWay: | Hmmmm. Recordovertime has no setting for media, defaults to zero. |
| [12:31:38] | PaulWay: | skipahead is 30 and skipback is 5. |
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| [12:35:42] | PaulWay: | What's the table that programs that have been recorded but deleted are kept in to make sure that duplicates aren't recorded? |
| [12:36:37] | stuarta: | oldrecorded |
| [12:36:50] | geemark: | evilmnky: i made the auto-login work, but it does not run the .xinitrc script it seems |
| [12:37:38] | PaulWay: | Ta. |
| [12:38:14] | PaulWay: | The interesting thing is that the show it's tried to open at lines 41 and 46–57 is one that I just deleted because I'd just watched it. |
| [12:38:26] | PaulWay: | (Well, my partner and I). |
| [12:39:42] | evilmnky: | geemark: is it in the user's ~ (home) dir ? |
| [12:40:19] | stuarta: | do the select for RecordOverTime again but leave out the hostname part of the where clause. |
| [12:40:51] | stuarta: | geemark: with appropriate permissions (755)? |
| [12:41:08] | PaulWay: | stuarta: There's only one row, the default (i.e hostname is null). |
| [12:41:23] | PaulWay: | I really appreciate your help on this, stuarta, it's driving us bananas. |
| [12:41:50] | geemark: | evilmnky, stuarta: yes it is |
| [12:42:42] | evilmnky: | geemark: it'll only call the .xinitrc if you startx ... |
| [12:42:49] | evilmnky: | not if gdm/xdm are loading |
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| [12:45:32] | geemark: | evilmnky: so how do I do it instead? |
| [12:46:39] | evilmnky: | well.. |
| [12:46:45] | evilmnky: | su the user, and 'startx' |
| [12:46:45] | emja: | i've rebuilt my mthtv machine (from knoppmyth to fc5 + mythtv-suite) and done almost all of the configuration. I'm left with lirc (no big deal I guess) and decss. can anyone point me to info re getting decss installed and/or working? |
| [12:46:50] | evilmnky: | see if myth frontend loads |
| [12:47:00] | evilmnky: | then we'll worry about getting xinitrc to actually load |
| [12:48:49] | stuarta: | PaulWay: meeting. back later. |
| [12:49:15] | PaulWay: | emja: Isn't there a package for that in livna or freshrpms? |
| [12:49:31] | emja: | PaulWay: i haven't found one |
| [12:49:46] | emja: | chking now |
| [12:49:56] | PaulWay: | stuarta: eta? It's nearly bedtime in canberra... :-) |
| [12:50:14] | PaulWay: | stuarta: If you want, email me on paulway@mabula.net |
| [12:50:38] | geemark: | evilmnky: I can't just make it autostart the frontend whenever gnome/xfce is launched? |
| [12:50:41] | dorel_1: | any ideas why am i getting on the log of mythfrontend "QDateTime::fromString: Parameter out of range" when changing channels up/down? |
| [12:50:47] | emja: | ok, dumb questions time; is decss in libdvdcss? |
| [12:50:52] | stuarta: | 2hrs. i'm often here. drop back when awake. |
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| [12:51:10] | evilmnky: | geemark: yes, save the session in gnome right after starting (with nothing else running) and then logout |
| [12:51:22] | evilmnky: | emja: google has the answer |
| [12:51:28] | emja: | evilmnky: thanks |
| [12:51:35] | stuarta: | PaulWay: btw. what version are you running? |
| [12:51:51] | PaulWay: | First thing tomorrow morning :-) |
| [12:52:04] | PaulWay: | 0.19 from atrpms on FC4. |
| [12:52:05] | stuarta: | about +8hrs? should be here.... |
| [12:52:08] | emja: | evilmnky: heh, wikipedia has the answer ;-) |
| [12:52:16] | evilmnky: | aye, it does |
| [12:52:22] | emja: | evilmnky: as my son would have told me, if he was awake. |
| [12:52:52] | PaulWay: | stuarta: thanks * 1<<31 |
| [12:52:53] | evilmnky: | emja: sorry if the answer seemed short |
| [12:53:01] | emja: | whoa. never knew about libdvdcss. amazing |
| [12:53:18] | emja: | evilmnky: i'm sure you get way too many ignorant questions |
| [12:53:38] | emja: | evilmnky: but i do appreciate the help |
| [12:53:42] | evilmnky: | emja: I'm sort of new here, and I don't irc much .. but I do administer at work .. so yeah |
| [12:54:03] | PaulWay: | emja: The internet is a cure for ignorance :-) |
| [12:54:07] | emja: | heh |
| [12:54:14] | evilmnky: | lots of questions which could be answered by google, but .. I wouldnt go as far as calling it ignorant |
| [12:54:21] | emja: | been using the net for more than a decade |
| [12:54:29] | PaulWay: | Better to ask a stupid question than suffer with no answer. |
| [12:54:36] | emja: | PaulWay: not necessarily |
| [12:54:42] | evilmnky: | emja: I ask questions like that to break the ice, but it usually doesnt work |
| [12:54:51] | emja: | PaulWay: often better to *not* ask a stupid question, than waste someone's time |
| [12:55:51] | PaulWay: | Well, that is also true. RTFM and FGI and so forth. |
| [12:55:58] | evilmnky: | maybe it would better described as a time-wasting question |
| [12:56:00] | emja: | FGI? |
| [12:56:04] | PaulWay: | I'm assuming there'll be a FLOW sometime soon. |
| [12:56:11] | emja: | you've lost me now |
| [12:56:23] | evilmnky: | flow ? |
| [12:56:27] | evilmnky: | yeah, I'm lost too |
| [12:56:29] | PaulWay: | F***ing Google It. |
| [12:56:34] | ** emja is not alone ** | |
| [12:56:35] | emja: | hahaha |
| [12:56:41] | PaulWay: | :-) |
| [12:56:57] | evilmnky: | how bout.. RTM GI ? |
| [12:57:04] | PaulWay: | F***ing Look On Wikipedia. |
| [12:57:04] | PaulWay: | (my own invention) |
| [12:57:07] | emja: | http://gayle.fabre.id.au/main.php?g2_itemId=2138 |
| [12:57:39] | evilmnky: | awesome |
| [12:57:46] | emja: | old, but good |
| [12:57:46] | evilmnky: | I wish there was a high res version of that |
| [12:57:52] | emja: | yeah, me too |
| [12:57:57] | emja: | best I could do |
| [12:58:00] | emja: | (my wife's page) |
| [12:58:05] | PaulWay: | evilmnky: Well, use of expletives is mandatory in Australia :-) |
| [12:58:06] | evilmnky: | oh well.. I'll have to break out my simpsons dvds and photoshop |
| [12:58:11] | emja: | PaulWay: ;-) |
| [12:58:39] | evilmnky: | PaulWay: is it also mandartory to yell CRIKIE! and wrestle crocs ? |
| [12:58:45] | emja: | PaulWay: internode huh? 24Mb/ADSL2? |
| [12:58:51] | emja: | evilmnky: no, it's not. |
| [12:58:55] | emja: | evilmnky: :-) |
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| [12:59:31] | PaulWay: | No, that's only for lunatics. |
| [12:59:36] | emja: | heh |
| [12:59:47] | PaulWay: | emja: Sometime in the next six months, it would seem :-( |
| [12:59:47] | PaulWay: | Suffering on 1500/256. |
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| [12:59:50] | evilmnky: | a dingo ate my manual , crikie |
| [12:59:57] | ** emja slaps evilmnky ** | |
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| [13:00:07] | emja: | PaulWay: 1500/256 is fine here |
| [13:00:17] | PaulWay: | I say 'suffering' because I used to be on 512/512 and seeding lots of torrents has sucked the marrow out of my upload bandwidth. |
| [13:00:24] | emja: | PaulWay: iinet is pipcking up the pace, apparently |
| [13:00:39] | emja: | picking |
| [13:00:57] | evilmnky: | we have a lot of .au guys who use our service at work, it seems a dingo ate their manuals as well |
| [13:01:10] | sha: | is there any info when 0.20 will be released? |
| [13:01:27] | PaulWay: | Yeah. I wish all the ADSL2 ISPs would collaborate on their installs rather than compete. |
| [13:01:28] | GreyFoxx: | sha: nope, there is no timerange or anything |
| [13:01:28] | emja: | at work we just cuit over to internode (ADSL2) and at the same time as rebooting the firewall for it to take effect we got an email saying that out old isp (iinet) had upped our link to ADSL2 |
| [13:01:29] | emja: | bah |
| [13:01:35] | PaulWay: | That'd shove it right up Telstra. |
| [13:01:36] | sha: | GreyFoxx: mhm ok |
| [13:01:46] | emja: | PaulWay: competition is good |
| [13:01:50] | GreyFoxx: | sha: There is a lot of SoC work going on over the summer |
| [13:01:58] | sha: | so is there any possibility to get dvdmenus working in 0.19? |
| [13:01:59] | GreyFoxx: | after that something might happen |
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| [13:02:31] | GreyFoxx: | sha: Not with the internal player. DVD Menus work fine in svn head |
| [13:02:49] | GreyFoxx: | sha: Your only option would be to use an external player like Xine for the time being |
| [13:03:18] | sha: | GreyFoxx: ok..thanks |
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| [13:04:33] | PaulWay: | BTW, any news on the status of the Windows MythFrontend? |
| [13:04:51] | emja: | yeah, that's something I'd like to know about too |
| [13:05:19] | emja: | mythweb isn't much of a substitute |
| [13:05:22] | GreyFoxx: | PaulWay: I know one of the SoC people is working on that, but honestly I haven't paid much attentiont o it |
| [13:05:38] | emja: | i mean, it downloads the entire video prior to starting playback |
| [13:06:30] | emja: | maybe myth needs streaming video capability |
| [13:06:35] | PaulWay: | *shrugs* Not a real worry. |
| [13:08:46] | emja: | is libdvdcss reliable? I'm having trouble getting myth to playback DVDs since I changed from knoppmyth/decss to fc5/mythtv-suite/libdvdcss |
| [13:09:16] | GreyFoxx: | emja: The mythweb thing depends entirely on your player. |
| [13:09:42] | GreyFoxx: | Mine start as soon as I click on the link and play it while it's downloading |
| [13:10:02] | GreyFoxx: | but it's not meant to be a frontend to a player anyway :) |
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| [13:10:22] | GreyFoxx: | And I think part of the SoC changes is also integration of mythstreamtv directly |
| [13:10:28] | PaulWay: | I use xine to play DVDs inside MythFE |
| [13:10:28] | PaulWay: | Although mostly I play them on my actual DVD player. |
| [13:11:09] | GreyFoxx: | I only use the frontend player for dvd testing after I see code changes, otherwise I use my dedicated player |
| [13:11:51] | GreyFoxx: | Though I plan on moving that to another room and using the myth player exclusively soon |
| [13:12:20] | emja: | GreyFoxx: not entirely on the player. I would have thought it depends on if the server provides a stream. |
| [13:12:59] | GreyFoxx: | No |
| [13:13:05] | GreyFoxx: | That's player dependant |
| [13:13:23] | GreyFoxx: | if the player requires a streaming protocol, then source the server would have to serve a stream |
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| [13:13:42] | GreyFoxx: | But players can easily play the video as it is downloaded |
| [13:13:58] | dorel__: | is it possible to do channel zapping? |
| [13:14:06] | emja: | GreyFoxx: ok. I'll look into it |
| [13:14:08] | GreyFoxx: | downloading is technically "Streaming" data :) |
| [13:14:10] | emja: | GreyFoxx: thanks for the info |
| [13:14:17] | emja: | GreyFoxx: yeah, good point |
| [13:14:22] | qu0zl: | damn it, i can't ssh into my mythtv frontend. Either my home isp is down or i've been burgled! |
| [13:14:24] | GreyFoxx: | dorao: What is channel zapping ? |
| [13:14:30] | dorel__: | cause when im on watch-tv mode and i do channel-up/down it scrolls through the channels in the osd, but it doesnt actually send them. |
| [13:14:32] | GreyFoxx: | qu0zl: IP change ? |
| [13:14:33] | qu0zl: | should I call the police? |
| [13:14:35] | qu0zl: | hehe |
| [13:14:49] | GreyFoxx: | dorao: That configurable |
| [13:14:49] | qu0zl: | no idea but i was planning on slacking by fiddling with mythtv stuff |
| [13:14:53] | qu0zl: | now i have to work :( |
| [13:14:56] | GreyFoxx: | just hit enter/OK when you get to the channel you want |
| [13:15:05] | dorel__: | GreyFoxx: thats not channel zapping then :) |
| [13:15:15] | GreyFoxx: | "It's configurable" :) |
| [13:15:15] | dorel__: | GreyFoxx: im talking about going up channel by channel. |
| [13:15:18] | dorel__: | :) |
| [13:15:24] | dorel__: | i see. configurable how? |
| [13:15:28] | GreyFoxx: | you can turn that on and off in the frontend setup menus |
| [13:15:29] | qu0zl: | dorel__, there's an option to turn on/off browse mode |
| [13:15:45] | dorel__: | hmmm, browse mode. i didnt see that anywhere |
| [13:15:50] | GreyFoxx: | due to the slower time to change channels many prefer to browse the channels before a change is done |
| [13:16:10] | dorel__: | i see. |
| [13:16:23] | GreyFoxx: | But you can change the behaviour |
| [13:18:02] | emja: | hmm... I can watch some DVDs, but not others. I suspect (but I'm not sure) that it's a dvdcss/decss issue. the same machine worked previously with knoppmyth, but not now with fc5&mythtv-suite |
| [13:18:04] | emja: | any ideas? |
| [13:18:31] | dorel__: | another thing... the V keyboard key suppose to toggle between picture-in-picture mode. |
| [13:18:42] | dorel__: | what happens when i press the V button? |
| [13:18:43] | emja: | I started Shrek 2, after about 1/4 to 1/2 a second it dropped out of the player and back into the myth menu |
| [13:18:53] | dorel__: | does it search for video input on /dev/videoX? |
| [13:21:27] | dorel__: | cause im wondering about connecting my v4l webcam which creates a /dev/video1 device |
| [13:21:41] | emja: | hmm... ogle works, but mplayer doesn't |
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| [13:39:23] | gnychis: | where does tveeprom.ko come from? |
| [13:43:45] | GreyFoxx: | It's a regular kernel module |
| [13:45:33] | gnychis: | hmmm... my ivtv module keeps seg faulting |
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| [13:53:03] | LLyric: | gnychis: got dvb drivers loaded too? |
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| [14:07:20] | Whyvas: | anyone know how to install firefox in knoppmyth? |
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| [14:12:59] | Merlin83b: | Find a .deb at a guess. Or ask in #knoppmyth or on their forums. Play run around the IRC channels :-) |
| [14:14:44] | scopeuk: | as i jsut said i nknoppmyth buid from source or install a binary package |
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| [14:16:59] | qu0zl: | you try "apt-get update && apt-cache search firefox" Whyvas? |
| [14:17:09] | qu0zl: | see if that returns any packages for firefox |
| [14:17:20] | Whyvas: | yeah i can get a package listing |
| [14:17:27] | qu0zl: | then apt-get install package_name |
| [14:17:39] | Whyvas: | but when i go to install it, it asks to remove a ton of packages to resolve dependencies |
| [14:17:54] | Whyvas: | and if i do it, mythtv gets messed up |
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| [14:18:39] | qu0zl: | in that case you're best of asking in the knopmyth channel. that's a debian dependancy question, and we won't know much about the knoppmyth repositories here |
| [14:18:55] | Saviq: | if You're sure that the dependencies are not important |
| [14:19:14] | Saviq: | you can dl the package and do a dpkg -i --force-depends *.de |
| [14:19:17] | Saviq: | deb |
| [14:19:42] | qu0zl: | he said that removing the dependancies hoses his mythtv |
| [14:19:57] | qu0zl: | just get the binary from mozilla and install that, no dependancies, no problems. |
| [14:20:44] | Saviq: | no, he said that installing the package with regards to deps messes up his mythtv |
| [14:21:00] | Saviq: | what I said would install the package without removing anything |
| [14:21:32] | qu0zl: | ahh yeah |
| [14:24:55] | null_: | Can anybody help me with my PVR-500? Do I need to setup two TV-cards in mythtv? |
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| [14:34:19] | Juski: | null_: yes you do |
| [14:35:58] | Saviq: | oh right... wanted to ask something |
| [14:36:27] | Juski: | eh? |
| [14:36:39] | Saviq: | did any of You guys managed to get nVidia tv-in rivatv to work? |
| [14:37:12] | Juski: | it wasn't ever v4l compliant anyway was it? |
| [14:37:35] | Saviq: | rivatv IS v4l... I think... |
| [14:37:59] | Juski: | if it is, in _theory_ it'd work. if not it definitely _won't_ work |
| [14:38:28] | Saviq: | "The driver also activates tuner and audio support provided by the V4L project." |
| [14:38:45] | null_: | Juski: ok but only one video source, if both of the tuners use the same cable, right? |
| [14:38:57] | Juski: | good luck with that. software encoding stinks anyway IMHO |
| [14:39:11] | Saviq: | yeah I know it does |
| [14:39:14] | Juski: | null_: yeah just bind the video source to both tuners |
| [14:39:19] | null_: | Juski: ok thanks |
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| [15:29:51] | ** Beirdo is almost done reencoding all these Goon Shows ** | |
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| [15:36:12] | Beirdo: | hey, Juski, you into The Goon Show at all? |
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| [15:38:08] | janneg: | anyone tried the dvb channel scanner after daniels commits today? |
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| [15:39:57] | ** stuarta goes & reads commits... ** | |
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| [15:43:36] | stuarta: | janneg: what affect have you seen from that...? |
| [15:43:36] | janneg: | last merge to eit branch broke it |
| [15:43:47] | stuarta: | I did the merge |
| [15:43:56] | janneg: | it just didn't work |
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| [15:44:22] | janneg: | it doesn't find tables |
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| [15:53:51] | Juski: | Beirdo: I just never 'got' it |
| [15:54:09] | Beirdo: | ahh |
| [15:54:33] | Beirdo: | It's the beginning of what defines off-the-wall British humour |
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| [15:54:46] | Beirdo: | I grew up listening to recordings, and now we have the internet :) |
| [15:55:36] | Juski: | like I never 'got' a lot of monty python stuff either. some of it's just too silly for words. I admit there are some classic bits though ;-) i think part of the problem is that I went to school with serial sketch reciters |
| [15:56:04] | Juski: | god, not the parrot sketch _again_ :-/ |
| [15:56:11] | Juski: | ;-) |
| [15:56:19] | stuarta: | what's the airspeed velocity of a laden swallow? |
| [15:56:27] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [15:56:58] | stuarta: | your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries! |
| [15:57:38] | Beirdo: | well, they still broadcast em |
| [15:57:45] | Beirdo: | on BBC7 and on ABC RN |
| [15:57:54] | Beirdo: | yoink! |
| [15:58:08] | Juski: | heh. for that I need dvb radio to work ;-) |
| [15:58:14] | Beirdo: | no you don't |
| [15:58:21] | Beirdo: | got real player? |
| [15:58:25] | Juski: | ugh |
| [15:58:34] | Juski: | I try not to |
| [15:58:37] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [15:58:53] | Beirdo: | I use mplayer to convert real, WMV, etc to WAV, then MP3 encode it |
| [15:59:02] | Juski: | I got real alternative, but it doesn't work so well on live stuff |
| [15:59:13] | Beirdo: | mplayer does fine :) |
| [15:59:14] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [15:59:21] | Beirdo: | you need the w32codecs of course |
| [15:59:57] | Beirdo: | ABC RN uses 20kbit WMA |
| [16:00:00] | Beirdo: | bleh |
| [16:00:16] | Beirdo: | at least BBC7 uses 44kbit RA, sounds much better |
| [16:00:45] | stuarta: | explains why it's not in my program listing... |
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| [16:01:14] | Beirdo: | heh, I mean their streaming, of course, not their actual broadcasts |
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| [16:02:37] | Beirdo: | then I use audacity to trim the extra, etc |
| [16:02:38] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [16:03:00] | stuarta: | i'd be happy if i could get triplej to stream for more than 5 minutes... |
| [16:03:21] | geemark: | what does this mean? "strip: /usr/local/share/mythtv/i18n/mythweather_si.qm: File format not recognized" |
| [16:03:23] | stuarta: | they've even finally started doing mp3 streams |
| [16:03:28] | geemark: | trying to "make install" mythplugins |
| [16:03:32] | Beirdo: | triplej? |
| [16:03:45] | stuarta: | http://www.triplej.net.au |
| [16:04:22] | stuarta: | government run, but independent, no ads, lots of alternative stuff. |
| [16:04:43] | Beirdo: | interesting |
| [16:04:44] | stuarta: | the *only* thing I listened to a uni. |
| [16:05:08] | Beirdo: | well, the Goons are the only thing I will subject myself to on a 20kbit WMA stream :) |
| [16:05:14] | stuarta: | I just want to listen to Roy & HG on a sunday.... |
| [16:05:20] | Beirdo: | mind you, I'm pulling it from AU to PR |
| [16:05:22] | Beirdo: | so... |
| [16:05:37] | stuarta: | bad enough AU to UK |
| [16:05:51] | Beirdo: | actually, AU->UK is likely worse |
| [16:06:04] | Beirdo: | as AU->US->PR is shorter than AU->US->UK |
| [16:06:28] | stuarta: | yep, pac rim east & pac rim west, both go via other places.... |
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| [16:07:06] | stuarta: | might have to look up aarnet again. find out what links they have these days. |
| [16:08:10] | Beirdo: | :) |
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| [16:09:12] | ** stuarta smells something funny ** | |
| [16:09:45] | Beirdo: | my dad's finding all sorts of Goon Shows downloadable in MP3. I'm just capturing "live" so far :) |
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| [16:11:23] | Beirdo: | got like 20 of em so far |
| [16:15:09] | stuarta: | Beirdo: http://www.aarnet.edu.au/engineering/aarnet3/ |
| [16:15:21] | sphery: | geemark: Ignore it--it's not a failure. It's just "informational" and says that strip is doing exactly what it should do when run on that file--skip the file. |
| [16:15:56] | Beirdo: | stuarta, looks aout right. Most of the bandwidth will still be via US |
| [16:16:20] | stuarta: | which explains why I get sod all.... |
| [16:16:31] | Beirdo: | likely so |
| [16:16:54] | stuarta: | the servers are in sydney, which is the big dot at the end of the twin pipes to the US |
| [16:17:05] | Juski: | damn manager, asking me to source a 3" 4:3 LCD monitor... nothing doing |
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| [16:17:55] | stuarta: | 3"?? saw a website with a new sony "laptop" which is smaller than most 3g phones... |
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| [16:18:38] | Juski: | the 4:3 aspect is the rarest for in-car displays now |
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| [17:12:21] | Coume: | afternoon |
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| [17:14:04] | gutano: | g'afternoon |
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| [17:17:10] | Juski: | afternoon Coume |
| [17:17:26] | Juski: | time to go home I shortly.. then shopping :-/ |
| [17:18:00] | Coume: | Juski, oh u still at work? |
| [17:18:03] | Juski: | yep |
| [17:18:22] | Coume: | Juski, will you by able to burn some CDs at work then? |
| [17:18:33] | Coume: | s/by/be |
| [17:19:02] | Juski: | the guy who runs the cd duplicator is on a training course |
| [17:19:12] | Coume: | cos' If I buy plastic sleeves, I should buy them this week |
| [17:19:12] | Juski: | shouldn't be a problem though |
| [17:19:26] | Juski: | gonna do mythdora, not not_myth :-) |
| [17:19:37] | Coume: | to make sure they arrive on time |
| [17:19:39] | Coume: | eheh |
| [17:20:32] | Coume: | Juski, how much are we going to bring along? or how many do we burn? |
| [17:20:42] | Juski: | I dunno |
| [17:20:48] | Juski: | I think 100 might be overdoing it |
| [17:21:04] | Juski: | i don't wanna be left with loads of discs |
| [17:21:28] | Coume: | Juski, if we still have some we just ebay them for the price of the CDs. |
| [17:22:03] | Juski: | suppose so |
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| [17:22:24] | Coume: | ok so If I buy 100 sleeves we will have enough? |
| [17:23:32] | Juski: | I should think so :-) |
| [17:23:42] | Coume: | I will ask to laga how much they burnt for linuxtag |
| [17:25:00] | ** Juski is done googling for stupid 3" tft in-car displays ** | |
| [17:25:18] | Juski: | we're supposed to have a purchasing dept. to do that kind of crap |
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| [17:26:39] | Coume: | lol |
| [17:27:48] | Juski: | still – keeps me out of making cables & other dumb stuff ;-) |
| [17:28:05] | Juski: | time to go.. see you later |
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| [18:12:26] | topher: | hello! ive set up mythtv before but i cleaned my box and am reinstalling fresh. i just compiled mythtv-0.19 from source and typed make install, and the docs say to do mythtv-setup next, but the database mythconverg is still missing. wheres the script to create that? |
| [18:13:04] | gutano: | database/mc.sql |
| [18:13:18] | geemark: | what does this mean? "IVD: write0 !canwrite" – it is spammed to stdout from the frontend when trying to watch livetv |
| [18:13:43] | topher: | gutano: thanks |
| [18:13:53] | gutano: | topher: if you run into troubles, the first thing you might try is using the .19-fixes branch (simply the .19 release with backported fixes) |
| [18:14:14] | topher: | gutano: check it out from cvs, right? |
| [18:14:18] | gutano: | topher: aye |
| [18:14:23] | topher: | gutano: ok, thanks |
| [18:14:31] | gutano: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac |
| [18:14:34] | gutano: | both listed |
| [18:14:48] | gutano: | errr... head/.19-fixes listed |
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| [18:17:07] | ** xris wishes people would say svn when they mean svn... it's a completely different program from cvs. ** | |
| [18:17:50] | gutano: | =/ close enough though... many ppl say cvs like kleenex... they simply mean version management repository |
| [18:18:03] | opello: | vcs? |
| [18:18:14] | xris: | gutano: except that there are still occasionally people who are checking out from the old cvs repository |
| [18:18:15] | gutano: | that wasn't meant to be acronymable |
| [18:18:22] | opello: | heh :) |
| [18:18:24] | gutano: | =D |
| [18:18:41] | ** gutano nods (was not aware a cvs was still up for myth) ** | |
| [18:18:45] | opello: | source control system |
| [18:18:56] | opello: | *shrug* |
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| [18:24:57] | Dagmar: | RCS FTW |
| [18:25:26] | ** Dagmar waves a cane around. ** | |
| [18:25:48] | gutano: | hehe |
| [18:25:53] | melunko: | xris: What sql table is filled out with xmltv data? I saw some data in program and channel, but nothing appear in the frontend EPG |
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| [18:27:30] | xris: | melunko: those two, and some others depending on how much info you get |
| [18:30:41] | melunko: | xris: thanks.... Both tables have a lot of data, but nothing appear on EPG in the frontend. |
| [18:30:54] | xris: | melunko: restart the backend? |
| [18:31:10] | xris: | maybe mythfilldatabase didn't ping the backend properly to reload the schedule info |
| [18:35:09] | melunko: | xris: I suspect program table is older than channel, |
| [18:35:23] | xris: | melunko: can always wipe both and rerun mythfilldatabase |
| [18:35:46] | melunko: | ok, I will test |
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| [18:49:11] | Skripo: | hello all |
| [18:49:31] | Skripo: | Can anyone help me setup my digiwave db-s (cx88) card? |
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| [18:51:10] | Skripo: | Anyone here? |
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| [18:57:46] | topher: | weird. 0.19's channel scanner finds channels 2–9 but the channel editor and the video connector both dont show those channels ... |
| [18:58:51] | topher: | oh nm |
| [18:59:02] | topher: | the list is just sorted oddly, lik, 17, 18, 19, 2, 20 |
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| [19:04:03] | kslater: | does anyone know what format a Tivo file would be off the top of their head? |
| [19:05:14] | melunko: | xris: xmltv for brazil has two grags. **_br and **_br_net, but mythtv uses only one of them, the first, that is getting only channels, none program |
| [19:05:44] | melunko: | in this case, the channel table is updated, but program table not. In my case it still have England program data :( |
| [19:06:01] | melunko: | So, channels->Brazil, Program -> England |
| [19:06:32] | melunko: | But **_br_net works. I will try to change the code to use it |
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| [19:15:46] | Skripo: | can anyone help? |
| [19:16:16] | gutano: | ask your question, if someone knows/is qualified they will start helping |
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| [19:16:22] | bobbyz: | I've written a simple shell script as a user job in mythtv, but it takes a long time to execute. If I add some sort of percentage-complete feedback to my script, is there a way I can relay the information to mythtv so that I can check the pprogress of the job from within mythtv (mythweb specifically). I ask because I noticed that mythcommflag and the built-in transcoding both provide progress feedback |
| [19:16:35] | Skripo: | I need help with my digiwave 103g card |
| [19:17:03] | Skripo: | Specifically, is it supported in the current ubuntu kernel or do I need to patch it? |
| [19:17:48] | Skripo: | the cx88 driver loads but it never registers it and seems to only be for dvb-t cards |
| [19:17:55] | Skripo: | Anyone? |
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| [19:20:15] | stuarta: | have you loaded a frontend driver? |
| [19:20:46] | Skripo: | Stuart are you talking to me? |
| [19:20:49] | Skripo: | Yes I have 2 |
| [19:21:02] | stuarta: | 2 frontend drivers? |
| [19:21:09] | Skripo: | Mythtv and xine |
| [19:21:19] | stuarta: | no they are applications |
| [19:21:23] | Skripo: | I was going to use xine to confrim functionality then move to myth |
| [19:21:33] | Skripo: | ah sorry |
| [19:21:49] | Skripo: | dvbstream |
| [19:21:50] | stuarta: | firstly check in your dmesg, to see if you have a frontend loaded |
| [19:22:04] | Skripo: | I did but do not know what it means |
| [19:22:08] | Skripo: | I will paste the output |
| [19:22:28] | stuarta: | should also see /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 |
| [19:22:34] | Skripo: | [4294698.977000] cx88[0]: card=14 -> KWorld/VStream XPert DVB-T |
| [19:22:35] | Skripo: | [4294698.977000] cx88[0]: card=15 -> DVICO FusionHDTV DVB-T1 |
| [19:22:35] | Skripo: | [4294698.977000] cx88[0]: card=18 -> Hauppauge Nova-T DVB-T |
| [19:22:35] | Skripo: | [4294698.977000] cx88[0]: card=19 -> Conexant DVB-T reference design |
| [19:22:35] | Skripo: | [4294698.977000] cx88[0]: card=21 -> DVICO FusionHDTV DVB-T Plus |
| [19:22:35] | Skripo: | [4294698.977000] cx88[0]: card=23 -> digitalnow DNTV Live! DVB-T |
| [19:22:42] | Skripo: | I don't see the frontend |
| [19:22:58] | stuarta: | dmesg | grep -i frontend |
| [19:23:02] | Skripo: | Its as if the driver loads but doesn't see the card |
| [19:23:14] | Skripo: | I will try one se |
| [19:23:16] | stuarta: | the driver has two parts. backend & frontend |
| [19:23:36] | stuarta: | if the card is too new, then then backend will probably load, but the frontend will be missing |
| [19:24:06] | Skripo: | nothing happens when I run that command |
| [19:24:44] | stuarta: | dmesg | grep -i cx88 |
| [19:24:46] | Skripo: | how do I check the backend? |
| [19:25:09] | Skripo: | that worked! |
| [19:25:23] | Skripo: | [4294698.977000] cx88[0]: card=14 -> KWorld/VStream XPert DVB-T |
| [19:25:23] | Skripo: | [4294698.977000] cx88[0]: card=15 -> DVICO FusionHDTV DVB-T1 |
| [19:25:23] | Skripo: | [4294698.977000] cx88[0]: card=18 -> Hauppauge Nova-T DVB-T |
| [19:25:23] | Skripo: | [4294698.977000] cx88[0]: card=19 -> Conexant DVB-T reference design |
| [19:25:23] | Skripo: | [4294698.977000] cx88[0]: card=21 -> DVICO FusionHDTV DVB-T Plus |
| [19:25:24] | Skripo: | [4294698.977000] cx88[0]: card=23 -> digitalnow DNTV Live! DVB-T |
| [19:25:25] | stuarta: | so you have a backend driver, but no frontend |
| [19:25:26] | Skripo: | michael@ubuntu:~$ dmesg | grep -i frontend |
| [19:25:28] | Skripo: | michael@ubuntu:~$ dmesg | grep -i cx88 |
| [19:25:30] | stuarta: | argh!!!!! |
| [19:25:32] | Skripo: | [4294698.977000] cx88[0]: Your board isn't known (yet) to the driver. You can |
| [19:25:35] | stuarta: | use a pastebin |
| [19:25:36] | Skripo: | [4294698.977000] cx88[0]: try to pick one of the existing card configs via |
| [19:25:38] | Skripo: | [4294698.977000] cx88[0]: card=<n> insmod option. Updating to the latest |
| [19:25:39] | GreyFoxx: | Skripo: use pastebin.ca |
| [19:25:40] | Skripo: | [4294698.977000] cx88[0]: version might help as well. |
| [19:25:42] | Skripo: | [4294698.977000] cx88[0]: Here is a list of valid choices for the card=<n> insmod option: |
| [19:25:44] | GreyFoxx: | we don't all care to see all of that |
| [19:25:44] | Skripo: | [4294698.977000] cx88[0]: card=0 -> UNKNOWN/GENERIC |
| [19:25:46] | Skripo: | [4294698.977000] cx88[0]: card=1 -> Hauppauge WinTV 34xxx models |
| [19:25:48] | Skripo: | [4294698.977000] cx88[0]: card=2 -> GDI Black Gold |
| [19:25:50] | Skripo: | [4294698.977000] cx88[0]: card=3 -> PixelView |
| [19:25:52] | Skripo: | [4294698.977000] cx88[0]: card=4 -> ATI TV Wonder Pro |
| [19:25:54] | Skripo: | [4294698.977000] cx88[0]: card=5 -> Leadtek Winfast 2000XP Expert |
| [19:25:56] | Skripo: | [4294698.977000] cx88[0]: card=6 -> AverTV Studio 303 (M126) |
| [19:25:57] | ** stuarta shouts SHUTUP!!!!!! ** | |
| [19:25:57] | janneg: | Skripo |
| [19:25:57] | bobbyz: | god |
| [19:25:58] | Skripo: | [4294698.977000] cx88[0]: card=7 -> MSI TV-@nywhere Master |
| [19:26:00] | Skripo: | [4294698.977000] cx88[0]: card=8 -> Leadtek Winfast DV2000 |
| [19:26:00] | janneg: | stop |
| [19:26:02] | Skripo: | [4294698.977000] cx88[0]: card=9 -> Leadtek PVR 2000 |
| [19:26:06] | Skripo: | [4294698.977000] cx88[0]: card=10 -> IODATA GV-VCP3/PCI |
| [19:26:08] | Skripo: | [4294698.977000] cx88[0]: card=11 -> Prolink PlayTV PVR |
| [19:26:10] | Skripo: | [4294698.977000] cx88[0]: card=12 -> ASUS PVR-416 |
| [19:26:12] | Skripo: | [4294698.977000] cx88[0]: card=13 -> MSI TV-@nywhere |
| [19:26:14] | Skripo: | [4294698.977000] cx88[0]: card=14 -> KWorld/VStream XPert DVB-T |
| [19:26:16] | Skripo: | [4294698.977000] cx88[0]: card=15 -> DVICO FusionHDTV DVB-T1 |
| [19:26:18] | Skripo: | [4294698.977000] cx88[0]: card=16 -> KWorld LTV883RF |
| [19:26:20] | Skripo: | [4294698.977000] cx88[0]: card=17 -> DViCO – FusionHDTV 3 Gold |
| [19:26:22] | Skripo: | [4294698.977000] cx88[0]: card=18 -> Hauppauge Nova-T DVB-T |
| [19:26:24] | Skripo: | [4294698.977000] cx88[0]: card=19 -> Conexant DVB- |
| [19:26:26] | Skripo: | sorry |
| [19:26:28] | Skripo: | That si only half |
| [19:26:32] | Skripo: | What is a paste bin Sorry guys! |
| [19:26:33] | stuarta: | muppet |
| [19:26:35] | gutano: | Skripo: it goes hard against irc etiquette to paste large chunks.... use an alternate paste site (such as pastebin.ca |
| [19:26:36] | Skripo: | How do I do a paste bin? |
| [19:26:52] | gutano: | open up page, paste, it gives you back a link |
| [19:26:54] | gutano: | paste the link |
| [19:26:55] | ** stuarta gets the shits and goes to dinner ** | |
| [19:27:16] | Skripo: | Sorry |
| [19:27:21] | Skripo: | I an new to linux |
| [19:27:25] | gutano: | Skripo: it happens, have to learn sometime =D |
| [19:27:34] | Skripo: | the bad news is that I get this message: |
| [19:27:37] | Skripo: | Your board isn't known (yet) to the driver. |
| [19:28:18] | Skripo: | I have seen patches for this card but I don't knwo how to apply it to the kernel |
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| [19:30:56] | Skripo: | Obviously I pissed off a few people. Is anyone still willing to help? |
| [19:31:01] | topher: | all my channels are off by 1 ... anybody know how to fix that? |
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| [19:31:12] | bobbyz: | does anyone know how mythcommflag provides progess feedback to mythtv? Is that something that is updated in the mysql database? |
| [19:32:44] | Skripo: | http://pastebin.ca/85210 |
| [19:37:33] | janneg: | Skripo: 21:36 < mkrufky> i just checked .... Skripo's card is definately supported in hg |
| [19:37:47] | janneg: | just in #linuxtv |
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| [19:45:04] | Tatster: | how long is normal for mythfilldatabase to take on the first run? |
| [19:45:44] | kormoc: | Tatster, awhile, it loops 14 times |
| [19:46:05] | Tatster: | Mine did what looks like the first bit, got to End of XMLTV output--------------- |
| [19:46:30] | Tatster: | and then has been stuck on 2006-07–11 19:58:44.794 New DB connection, total: 4 |
| [19:46:33] | Tatster: | 2006-07–11 19:58:46.033 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost |
| [19:46:36] | Tatster: | for last 45mins ish |
| [19:46:56] | kormoc: | that's a bit long... might want to kill it and restart it |
| [19:47:05] | Tatster: | ok |
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| [20:15:01] | melunko: | Hi, how could I erase all Program table in database? I changed the xmltv target between wome countries, and the result is that all data is mixed in the table |
| [20:15:16] | melunko: | wome->some |
| [20:16:28] | stuarta: | all the info about upcoming programs? |
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| [20:23:46] | melunko: | yes |
| [20:24:22] | stuarta: | delete from program; |
| [20:24:23] | melunko: | stuarta: everything is mixed :(. When I select a new xmltv country, the previous programs are not cleaned |
| [20:24:56] | stuarta: | ie. run mysql -u root -p mythconverg, then that command |
| [20:25:20] | melunko: | stuarta: I got it, thanks |
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| [20:33:56] | melunko: | stuarta: Another point. I got all channels and programs from UK. The tables are ok. But in the frontend I can only see the programs in "Program Finder", not in "Program Guide" |
| [20:34:32] | ** stuarta scratches head... ** | |
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| [20:37:55] | melunko: | ops |
| [20:38:41] | melunko: | Any idea? |
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| [20:39:05] | stuarta: | quite odd... |
| [20:41:14] | sphery: | melunko: You probably haven't properly associated your videosource(s) with input(s) |
| [20:42:10] | sphery: | melunko: My recommendation is to "Delete All" video sources and re-create them (with the right country) and then associate them with inputs |
| [20:42:33] | sphery: | That will clear your program table (and all other tables used for program listing info) in the process. |
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| [20:43:12] | stuarta: | evening Juski |
| [20:43:31] | Juski: | evening stuarta. |
| [20:43:52] | Juski: | lots of dev list traffic today. looked like a mistake at first |
| [20:44:22] | stuarta: | nice & busy... |
| [20:44:53] | Juski: | makes a change ;-) |
| [20:45:04] | Juski: | so you all recovered from the hols? how was it? |
| [20:46:21] | stuarta: | recovered? no. improved to tired... |
| [20:46:28] | Juski: | ah |
| [20:46:53] | Juski: | gonna take it easy for a few nights to recover from a few too many late ones |
| [20:46:57] | stuarta: | was a huge party as always.... about 8hrs sleep in total... |
| [20:47:19] | Juski: | heh. sounds like a riot |
| [20:48:03] | stuarta: | i'm just dreading tomorrow, when i hit detox day 3 :( |
| [20:48:51] | Juski: | and here was me, thinking it'd be water off a duck's back to an Aussie fella. You'll probably say you've been living over here too long though ;) |
| [20:49:23] | stuarta: | oh, it's normal. am used to it, just the 4am start saturday till 10pm sunday is a long time... |
| [20:50:11] | Juski: | yeh wherever you're from it is. I'll be booking myself into hospital for a liver transplant after lugradio |
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| [20:50:28] | stuarta: | luckily i'm not coming :) |
| [20:50:45] | Juski: | that's crept up on me, almost... still got lots of t's to cross & i's to dot |
| [20:51:20] | Juski: | should put the lid on it this weekend though.. if I don't go out on saturday night, which is very tempting |
| [20:52:40] | Tatster: | mmm – re-running mythfilldatabase again, it's taken 1 hour but it has been progressing in terms of the %age has been going up |
| [20:52:43] | stuarta: | fly by the seat of your pants like everyone else... |
| [20:52:56] | Tatster: | so i'll see how long the next bit takes |
| [20:54:21] | melunko: | sphery: I see. I didn't do that, but I thought Program Guide could be seen anyway |
| [20:54:25] | melunko: | I mean, even without input |
| [20:54:48] | sphery: | nope |
| [20:54:57] | sphery: | Must associate a videosource with an input |
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| [20:55:08] | sphery: | Myth only shows in the program guide the programs it could record |
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| [20:55:44] | topher: | hey guys, quick help: i cant for the life of me remember where the osd theme settings are. anybody know? |
| [20:57:32] | Juski: | tv playback settings menu |
| [20:57:46] | Juski: | kind of logical, maybe |
| [20:59:21] | melunko: | sphery: Thanks |
| [21:00:11] | topher: | Juski: ah, yea. i dunno, tv playback sounds to me like settings for watching recorded teleivision |
| [21:00:19] | topher: | Juski: thanks though, i found it |
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| [21:04:09] | test34: | for ivtv, we don't need module saa7115 with kernel 2.6.17 right ? |
| [21:04:24] | Juski: | not from ivtv, no – but from the kernel, you do |
| [21:04:42] | Juski: | I mean you don't need ivtv's saa7115 module – you use the kernel's instead |
| [21:04:51] | test34: | its been deprecated in the kernel |
| [21:05:23] | Juski: | is there even a saa7115 on a pvr card? maybe it doesn't matter |
| [21:06:22] | test34: | when I load the ivtv module module it says it cant find saa7115 but its been deprecated in the kernel.. I have hauppauge pvr-250 |
| [21:07:10] | Juski: | seems like bad form for that to happen |
| [21:07:20] | test34: | bad form ? |
| [21:08:09] | Juski: | yeh.. like since when is support for devices ever taken _out_ of the kernel? |
| [21:08:39] | test34: | could it be included into another module ? |
| [21:08:56] | Juski: | could be.. you need to speak to a v4l expert about that |
| [21:09:50] | test34: | ok |
| [21:10:22] | Juski: | though I've just done some quick digging... I don't think saa7115 should be deprecated |
| [21:10:44] | Juski: | what makes you say it has? |
| [21:11:07] | test34: | mkrufky> test34: there is a bug in the 2.6.17 kconfig |
| [21:11:07] | test34: | <mkrufky> test34: turn on v4l1 and then it will show up again |
| [21:11:35] | test34: | mkrufky> http://linuxtv.org/~mkrufky/stable/2.6.17.y/k . . . module.patch |
| [21:11:39] | Juski: | that's not the same as deprecated I don't think |
| [21:11:54] | stuarta: | no thats just minor config breakage |
| [21:12:20] | test34: | I thought it was deprecated because if you enable deprecated v4l1 you can see it |
| [21:12:29] | Juski: | heheh no |
| [21:15:07] | gutano: | what's a quick way to get some items in my log (need some for testing purposes) |
| [21:15:43] | sphery: | what type of items? |
| [21:16:07] | gutano: | anything that shows up under the system status log page |
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| [21:16:27] | sphery: | hmmm |
| [21:16:45] | sphery: | I don't remember if LiveTV recordings show up (haven't done LiveTV in forever) |
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| [21:16:55] | alieas: | hey are any of you guys going to Defcon this year? Does anyone know if any MythTV representatives will be there ? |
| [21:16:58] | sphery: | But, normal recordings, transcodings, commflagging, etc. shows up. |
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| [21:17:06] | Juski: | wth is defcon? |
| [21:17:08] | gutano: | no no, not job queue |
| [21:17:29] | Juski: | ahhh... |
| [21:17:33] | Juski: | hackers conference |
| [21:17:34] | gutano: | Information Center -> System Status -> Log Entries |
| [21:17:59] | Juski: | alieas: too late for this year.. so why not get a stand together for next year? |
| [21:18:12] | sphery: | Right, but job queue stuff shows in log entries... |
| [21:18:18] | sphery: | As well as recordings |
| [21:18:29] | gutano: | ! goes to start recording something |
| [21:18:57] | gutano: | well... my job queue has 2 things in it, but nothing in log entries atm... will try starting a recording anyhow |
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| [21:19:08] | sphery: | do some commflagging on them, too and you should see commflag start/stops |
| [21:19:16] | sphery: | Have you enabled logging to the database? |
| [21:19:46] | ** gutano sighs ** | |
| [21:19:49] | gutano: | probably not |
| [21:20:00] | gutano: | can I do at cmd line if I run backend from a console? |
| [21:20:32] | alieas: | Juski: yeah I missed last year but I usually go every year. But now that I'm really getting into MythTV it would be cool to meet some of the other people involved and kick around some ideas or whatever |
| [21:20:37] | sphery: | Myth Database Logging in frontend settings General section |
| [21:20:53] | alieas: | Defcon moved this year they are at the Riveria and no longer Alexis Park |
| [21:20:53] | gutano: | thanks sphery =D |
| [21:21:24] | Juski: | alieas: heh. I'm taking myth to a linux expo in the UK soon.. one backend & there's gonna be 3 frontends |
| [21:21:35] | sphery: | I think you could just start "mythbackend -O LogEnabled=1" if you want a quick-and-dirty way to start logging to the DB |
| [21:21:47] | sphery: | But it won't stick unless you use the frontend settings |
| [21:21:55] | sphery: | (or edit the settings table directly) |
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| [21:23:05] | gutano: | backend require restart after changing the setting? |
| [21:23:14] | sphery: | probably |
| [21:23:24] | sphery: | it's been a while since I've changed it. |
| [21:23:24] | sphery: | :) |
| [21:23:35] | alieas: | Does anyone here have a system that can decode H.264 720p (regular rip framerates)? My Pent4–3.0ghz crawls, thinking of getting a 4400+ but want to know if its going to be enough |
| [21:23:42] | gutano: | =D log messages ftw |
| [21:23:56] | sphery: | good |
| [21:24:14] | Juski: | alieas: people trying in the UK to decode 1080i h.264 have been struggling with dual core cpus |
| [21:24:15] | sphery: | alieas: I have an X2 4800+, but I don't have X installed on it. :) |
| [21:24:46] | alieas: | yeah I can't believe the system requirements for that codec, jesus |
| [21:24:55] | sphery: | I don't think mine will be able to handle 1080p30 |
| [21:24:57] | Juski: | it's erm... intense :-) |
| [21:26:14] | sphery: | alieas: Isaac said his X2 4400+ was able to decode Apple's Serenity trailer in realtime. |
| [21:26:30] | Juski: | alieas: if people paid for my flights I'd take mythtv to defcon :-D |
| [21:26:38] | Juski: | never been to Vegas ;-) |
| [21:27:23] | alieas: | pretty fun little town. I'm in phoenix so its only a 45 minutes flight $80 round trip so I guess I'm lucky but remember its like 110 degress down here right now!! |
| [21:27:23] | sphery: | Apple calls the Serenity trailer 1080p, but it's really 1920x817@24fps (2.35:1 aspect because it's a movie). |
| [21:27:35] | sphery: | It has about 60% fewer pixels than 1080p30 |
| [21:27:35] | stuarta: | sphery: there's HD and there's full blown HD in h264 |
| [21:28:02] | stuarta: | h264 takes more cpu to decode. |
| [21:28:05] | sphery: | right |
| [21:28:17] | sphery: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/147617#147617 |
| [21:28:24] | stuarta: | at the advantage of lower overall bitrate. |
| [21:28:25] | sphery: | In a thread about H.264 decoding |
| [21:29:12] | alieas: | My Pentium4–3.0 can decode XviD 720p, and WindowsMedia 1080p, but not H.264 720p (not even close!). Even my athlon 2400+ can decode the XviD 720p with only a hardly noticable struggle every so often |
| [21:29:34] | alieas: | that codec is _heavy_ |
| [21:29:45] | sapbeast: | h.264 is alot more cpu intensive than anything else |
| [21:30:08] | Juski: | a handy side-effect for the broadcasters |
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| [21:30:59] | sapbeast: | h.264 is nice for the portable devices that support it but for higher def stuff man do you need an awesome computer |
| [21:31:16] | sapbeast: | of course in 3 years well look at 3ghz pentium 4's the same way we view 486's today |
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| [21:31:44] | Juski: | heh. the media processors the firm I work for use, do great h.264 codec ops... but only at 2CIF size :-/ |
| [21:31:49] | alieas: | The new Nvida and ATI cards have H.264 acceleration, but I wonder how good it is. I'd rather buy a $350 mobo/cpu than a $500 graphics card tho. (I don't need 3D ya know!) |
| [21:31:53] | sphery: | guessing it's actually 1920x816... (divisible by 8) |
| [21:31:57] | Juski: | lower the fps & they'll do 4CIF |
| [21:32:22] | sapbeast: | i think the nvidia/ati cards that support high def decode either require you to use WMP9 or a pay driver |
| [21:32:25] | Juski: | did anyone catch the eye-candy UI videos someone posted to the lusers ML yesterday? |
| [21:32:38] | sphery: | Yep... VIDEO: [avc1] 1920x816 24bpp 23.976 fps |
| [21:33:00] | sphery: | alieas: the NVIDIA and ATI H.264 acceleration won't work |
| [21:33:10] | alieas: | sphery: ha figures |
| [21:33:33] | alieas: | there really is no substitue for raw processor power |
| [21:33:37] | sphery: | NVIDIA does H.264 acceleration using the 3D hardware |
| [21:33:49] | sphery: | Which requires the use of OpenGL. |
| [21:33:50] | sapbeast: | soon enough they will be osbolete though for video decoding, remember the first mpeg-2 add in cards (at a pretty penny no less) and then you could do dvd in software |
| [21:33:59] | sphery: | OpenGL 2.0 now supports GLSL |
| [21:34:12] | sphery: | which can be used to program the programmable shaders to do H.264 decoding |
| [21:34:20] | sphery: | But no one has done it, yet. |
| [21:34:35] | Juski: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/212801 .. have a looky.. some bloody nice work, and we need some of that in mythtv. I'm not 100% for the opengl interface, so I say if we're gonna have it, let's forking _have_ it ;-) |
| [21:34:36] | sapbeast: | demand is low at the moment |
| [21:34:45] | alieas: | I'd happily pay $150 for a dedicated h.264 decoder right now |
| [21:34:52] | sphery: | ATI took a different track and built dedicated H.264 decoding into hardware and use a proprietary API for accessing it. |
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| [21:35:24] | gutano: | grndslm: dct-6200 is the one I hear the most about |
| [21:35:36] | GreyFoxx: | Juski:That rage2.avi link you posted rocked |
| [21:35:36] | Juski: | alieas: there's already a card on the market.. no talk of availability or drivers yet though.. I think it's mostly been put out there for OEMs to take up... big NDAs & crap |
| [21:35:50] | sphery: | However, you could still (theoretically) do H.264 in GLSL on ATI hardware (they demo'ed it both ways on Windows and showed how much more efficient the dedicated hardware was) |
| [21:35:53] | GreyFoxx: | I was looking at the media portal screenshots too. pretty stuff |
| [21:36:00] | Juski: | like the guy in the ML posts says.. "and THAT'S quick & dirty?!" |
| [21:36:03] | grndslm: | hmm...there's no others?? and if my company doesn't give that one out...I'd have to use an IR blaster? |
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| [21:36:37] | gutano: | grndslm: I've heard several work, dct-6200 just one that people mention by model alot |
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| [21:36:47] | gutano: | grndslm: so I assume it's the most common |
| [21:36:52] | GreyFoxx: | rasterman needs to come over to mythtv hehe |
| [21:37:04] | Juski: | GreyFoxx: I'd be tempted to chip in to pay a bounty for that kind of UI |
| [21:37:12] | grndslm: | sweet....i've got a random company, CableOne...and I don't think that's the one they have but I'm about to drive to their office and find out |
| [21:37:39] | GreyFoxx: | Juski: I would chip in |
| [21:37:51] | gutano: | grndslm: heh, I think most with firewire can use it to change channels, and some can use it to rip video accross (without the need for a tuner card)... |
| [21:37:52] | Juski: | hmm.. tell the opengl driver to blit this texture over there... zoom in a bit... |
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| [21:38:28] | grndslm: | what?!?!??!? so the pvr-500 i bought was for nothin'!? |
| [21:38:43] | grndslm: | i'm about to go down to their office now, but thanks a lot gutano! |
| [21:38:45] | sphery: | grndslm: No, it's for the encrypted channels |
| [21:39:14] | grndslm: | wait...what's for the encrypted channels?? the box?? |
| [21:39:22] | gutano: | grndslm: well, you would have to rent a cable box (and your cable provider would have to supply un-encrypted channels available across firewire) |
| [21:39:45] | grndslm: | do most do that? |
| [21:39:50] | sphery: | The PVR-500 is for receiving--from the box via component/S-Video--the channels that are encrypted. |
| [21:39:51] | kormoc: | depends on your area |
| [21:39:52] | xris: | it's worth the $10/month rental fee for a month to find out |
| [21:39:58] | gutano: | grndslm: *shrug* I've heard alot of people have had good luck with comcast |
| [21:40:04] | grndslm: | sphery, thanks |
| [21:40:16] | grndslm: | yea, CableOne sucks...we don't even get Comedy Central |
| [21:40:17] | grndslm: | what a bummer |
| [21:40:23] | gutano: | weird |
| [21:40:28] | grndslm: | anyway, I'm off to see what they got since their tech won't help me over the phone |
| [21:40:32] | grndslm: | lata |
| [21:40:34] | grndslm: | exit |
| [21:40:37] | sphery: | like xris said, though, it's worth a month's rental to find out if you get the channels you want unencrypted |
| [21:40:38] | grndslm: | woops |
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| [21:40:57] | xris: | grndslm: channels you get over firewire is sort of a tossup... comcast is generally good, but it's basically a franchise so some areas are more restrictive. |
| [21:41:05] | gutano: | just got a dct-6200 yesterday, common channels seem to record fine =D |
| [21:41:24] | xris: | and then he's gone |
| [21:41:29] | alieas: | hey... one more thing on the H.264 Tip. This is what I'd really like to see sitting under my TV :) http://www.gowellent.net/ProductsWeb/h264/898.html |
| [21:41:47] | Juski: | GreyFoxx: did you have a read of rasterman's website? that erm.. platform looks like an interesting thing indeed |
| [21:41:57] | gutano: | what channels are generally encrypted? premiums? or all but locals? |
| [21:42:12] | Juski: | gutano: depends wholly on your cable co I think |
| [21:42:18] | gutano: | comcast |
| [21:42:26] | kormoc: | it's a toss up |
| [21:42:29] | gutano: | I haven't tried to tune anything I didn't get with analog so far |
| [21:42:33] | Juski: | take it as read that premium stuff will be 5c protected |
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| [21:42:47] | kormoc: | xris only has one channel that doesn't work via firewire iirc |
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| [21:43:01] | alieas: | COX has like 20 QAM channels but they are just the locals + home shopping + univision + religious + public access + other garbage |
| [21:43:53] | GreyFoxx: | Juski: Yeah I wonder hwo simple that was to implement with it |
| [21:44:17] | Juski: | for the guy who wrote the basis of the thing... probably not hard at all ;-) |
| [21:44:24] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [21:44:57] | gutano: | I assume no one has reported getting more channels than their cable plan designated? (ie hbo with a basic plan) |
| [21:45:10] | GreyFoxx: | Juski: Wonderif his source is on there |
| [21:45:13] | GreyFoxx: | e interesting to see |
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| [21:45:33] | Juski: | GreyFoxx: he has a tutorial for making a dvd player which has menu support.. looks amazingly simple |
| [21:45:35] | sapbeast: | gutano: people have asked that since the first wintv pci card existed (perhaps before) about doing that kind of thing :p |
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| [21:46:03] | GreyFoxx: | Juski Sweet, I'll have to look into it more |
| [21:46:17] | gutano: | sapbeast: I certainly am not expecting it, but might as well ask than find out I've been missing out 3 months down the road |
| [21:46:51] | Juski: | GreyFoxx: I might be going out on a limb a bit here.. but you might be able to make a mythfrontend for it quite easily too... |
| [21:47:04] | stuarta: | later all... |
| [21:47:07] | Juski: | though I've long said that about python & mythtv on windows... |
| [21:47:10] | Juski: | later stuarta |
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| [21:48:08] | xris: | gutano: you never get more |
| [21:48:49] | gutano: | I imagine myth might be alot more popular if you did, heh |
| [21:49:02] | gutano: | alot less legal too |
| [21:49:04] | Juski: | nah so long as the backend needs linux... |
| [21:49:17] | xris: | well, firewire is controlled by the box, so you won't get anything the box doesn't |
| [21:49:25] | Juski: | a lot less legal? how do you mean? |
| [21:49:47] | kormoc: | Juski, he asked basically if he can receive channels he's not paying for, hence the less legal part |
| [21:49:56] | ** gutano shrugs ** | |
| [21:50:09] | Juski: | if people use unlicenced copies of an OS, it's their fault, not mythtv's (in the case of a windows machine running it) |
| [21:50:16] | gutano: | anyhow, just a what if question... didn't mean to spend any time dreaming about it |
| [21:50:18] | Juski: | ah |
| [21:50:51] | Juski: | sorry I was under the misapprehension someone had listened to me for a minute :-P |
| [21:51:40] | gutano: | hehe |
| [21:52:06] | gutano: | Juski: I was responging to xris's stuff, not your windows comments =/ |
| [21:52:19] | Juski: | I realised that, too late ;-) |
| [21:52:56] | Juski: | so why hasn't some enterprising soul made a windows FE that works yet? are windows users just a bunch of whiners who can't code? ;-) |
| [21:53:39] | kormoc: | Juski, you mean like tape-worm? |
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| [21:53:57] | gutano: | mythtv would take alot more work to make if we didn't have other projects to draw from... in a closed source world (windows... mostly) you see the dilemma |
| [21:54:26] | Juski: | kormoc: that's not open source though.. or free |
| [21:55:11] | kormoc: | Juski, true, but you didn't ask that, you said windows frontend that works :P |
| [21:55:27] | Juski: | heh |
| [21:56:49] | GreyFoxx: | Juski: Wow, the code around that DVD player is pretty simple |
| [21:56:56] | Beirdo: | isn't a windows frontend part of one of the SoC projects? |
| [21:57:02] | gutano: | yeah |
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| [21:57:39] | Beirdo: | well, here's hoping for a successful completion :) |
| [21:57:42] | gutano: | I think the guy was using cygwin pretty heavily to start with... but I haven't read much anytime lately |
| [21:58:04] | Beirdo: | hell, even cygwin-based is a good start if it works |
| [21:58:18] | gutano: | gotta start somewhere |
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| [21:59:18] | gutano: | no idea where I would have started it |
| [21:59:35] | Beirdo: | I don't do windoze code ;) |
| [21:59:56] | gutano: | just java ;) |
| [22:00:00] | Beirdo: | ewww |
| [22:00:02] | gutano: | indeed |
| [22:00:05] | Beirdo: | that's even worse |
| [22:00:15] | gutano: | about the same if you ask me |
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| [22:00:23] | Beirdo: | cross-platform... |
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| [22:00:37] | Beirdo: | i.e. sucks almost equally on every platform |
| [22:01:16] | ** gutano shrugs ** | |
| [22:01:19] | gutano: | java isn't that bad |
| [22:01:38] | Beirdo: | heh, yes it is ;) |
| [22:01:41] | gutano: | not my preferred language by any means, but knocked alot more than it deserves |
| [22:01:43] | Beirdo: | but you're welcome to it |
| [22:01:53] | Beirdo: | meh |
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| [22:10:36] | Juski: | there's some good java around, but my daily exposure to it puts me off it |
| [22:10:44] | Juski: | i.e. in general it's stinky |
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| [22:16:12] | bobbyz: | xris: you said that x264 is broken in nuvexport, right? |
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| [22:17:25] | bobbyz: | if you're interested, I found how to do nice x264 encoding of my myth stuff with mencoder, but I don't know how well the commands would fit into your nuvexport scripts |
| [22:17:45] | bobbyz: | (haven't had any problems with a/v sync or anything) |
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| [22:28:48] | Dibblah: | Mmmm... Nice. Myth runs great on a Geode. |
| [22:29:55] | Dibblah: | With an ATI Rage Mobility VGA card. |
| [22:30:50] | Dibblah: | So that should be a ~50w frontend in total, assuming the PSU isn't so efficient. |
| [22:31:47] | Juski: | nice |
| [22:32:13] | Juski: | got a good ~60W frontend here... but nothing like that in real terms I reckon |
| [22:34:17] | Dibblah: | Going to measure the actual consumption tomorrow. |
| [22:34:24] | Dibblah: | I'm on an energy drive :) |
| [22:34:56] | bobbyz: | Dibblah: how do you measure consumption for a comp? (I'm no nothing of electrical work) |
| [22:34:56] | Dibblah: | Waiting patiently for storage groups or whatever so I can spin some more platters down. |
| [22:35:11] | bobbyz: | I'm no= I know |
| [22:35:13] | Juski: | get a plugin power meter, for starters |
| [22:35:28] | Juski: | or a good clamp meter if you want accurate readings |
| [22:35:33] | Dibblah: | Well, the correct way is to get a proper current meter – not one of the cheap jobbies for a fiver in B&Q. |
| [22:35:53] | bobbyz: | interesting |
| [22:36:25] | Dibblah: | The way I tended to do it is to turn everything off in the house and measure how long a rotation of the electricity meter takes. |
| [22:36:43] | Dibblah: | Then the GF got pissed when I forgot to turn the freezer back on. |
| [22:36:49] | bobbyz: | lol |
| [22:37:11] | Dibblah: | So I bought an electricity meter (same type as the normal house one) |
| [22:37:15] | Juski: | I got the shock of my life the other week |
| [22:37:29] | Dibblah: | Uhuh? |
| [22:37:38] | Juski: | these athlon boxes can't die fast enough... I need to get rid |
| [22:37:54] | Juski: | athlon XP.. power hungry, heat monsters |
| [22:38:07] | Beirdo: | no kidding |
| [22:38:25] | Beirdo: | get AMD64 if you want low heat |
| [22:38:35] | Dibblah: | Athlon Geode. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/AMD-Geode-NX1750-Socket . . . cmdZViewItem |
| [22:38:43] | Dibblah: | Beirdo.... Bwahahahahaha. |
| [22:38:52] | Dibblah: | 130w from the wall. |
| [22:39:00] | Juski: | low heat == low power |
| [22:39:08] | Beirdo: | so? |
| [22:39:11] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [22:39:20] | Beirdo: | I only care about the heat :) |
| [22:39:22] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [22:39:23] | Dibblah: | 130w is _not_ pocket change. |
| [22:39:24] | Juski: | 130w? sounds like what my 2000xp backend pulls 24/7 |
| [22:39:52] | Dibblah: | And that's as low as it can go – 1.1v, 5x multiplier. |
| [22:40:04] | Dibblah: | 2000? Oh, get rid of that! |
| [22:40:19] | Dibblah: | That was the last of the 80nm ones, wasn't it? |
| [22:40:30] | Juski: | as long as it works fine I don't have much need to, apart from saving like £10 a year |
| [22:40:35] | Dibblah: | Real space heater. |
| [22:40:56] | Dibblah: | |
| [22:41:11] | Juski: | cheaper than $ky though ;-) |
| [22:41:12] | Dibblah: | |
| [22:41:35] | bobbyz: | holy moly...you guys pay a ton for electrical bill :) |
| [22:41:41] | Juski: | I turn my 2800xp off when I'm not using it these days |
| [22:41:58] | Beirdo: | what's that per kWh? I don't feel like thinking :) |
| [22:42:06] | Juski: | £0.10 approx |
| [22:42:10] | Dibblah: | I can really recommend the Geode though. Turn the fan off – you can hardly even feel the heat. |
| [22:42:25] | Dibblah: | I get ~8p |
| [22:42:28] | Beirdo: | eek |
| [22:42:28] | Beirdo: | that is a lot |
| [22:42:38] | Beirdo: | it's under 10c US here |
| [22:42:41] | Juski: | welcome to rip-off britain |
| [22:42:50] | Beirdo: | and PR's not on the US grid |
| [22:43:05] | Dibblah: | Welcome to the country producing 20% of it's electricity from nuclear. |
| [22:43:06] | Juski: | and you wonder why we don't have airconditioning at home! |
| [22:43:20] | Beirdo: | we don't either |
| [22:43:25] | Beirdo: | well, not central |
| [22:43:32] | Beirdo: | not unless you are stinking rich |
| [22:43:39] | Juski: | heh |
| [22:43:43] | bobbyz: | yeah, I don't know the rate for power here off the top of my head, but it's a heck of a lot cheaper than that (I'm in US) |
| [22:43:45] | Beirdo: | with outside being > 75F every day of the year... |
| [22:44:03] | Juski: | Beirdo – more a case of 'get used to it' |
| [22:44:03] | Beirdo: | bobbyz, mainland? likely 6c/kWh or so |
| [22:44:16] | bobbyz: | Beirdo: yeah, think it's about 5c or so |
| [22:44:18] | Beirdo: | yeah, we have a good AC in the bedroom for nights |
| [22:44:27] | Beirdo: | the rest of the house is fan only |
| [22:44:40] | Juski: | I know why the americans don't whine about the high price of stuff much... |
| [22:44:43] | Beirdo: | it does get unbearable sometimes |
| [22:44:48] | Beirdo: | hah |
| [22:44:58] | Beirdo: | you should hear the little bitches complain about gas prices |
| [22:45:01] | Juski: | also why they don't feel the need to cut back on consumption either |
| [22:45:02] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [22:45:22] | Beirdo: | they have the second cheapest gas in the world or nearly (after Saudi Arabia) |
| [22:45:23] | Juski: | bigger, faster, bigger, faster... |
| [22:45:28] | sapbeast: | mostly its those who have a SUV that gets 0.5MPG |
| [22:45:30] | Beirdo: | but they bitch that it's SOOO expensive |
| [22:45:38] | bobbyz: | stupid SUVs |
| [22:45:41] | bobbyz: | so impractical |
| [22:45:46] | Juski: | we just lie down & take it over here |
| [22:45:46] | Beirdo: | stupid people |
| [22:45:58] | Beirdo: | yeah, the UK is almost always 5x the US in gas |
| [22:45:58] | Dibblah: | Juski: You mean bend over. |
| [22:46:22] | Beirdo: | take after the Scots... bend over and lift the kilt |
| [22:46:44] | Juski: | how the hell did _this country_ conquer so many places? not with our current attitude that's fer sure |
| [22:46:51] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [22:46:59] | Beirdo: | I've often pondered that too |
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| [22:47:08] | Juski: | "oh yeah.. wait til Big Brother has finished man" |
| [22:47:27] | Beirdo: | not knockin Britain, but I don't see how the current Britain could ever have an empire :) |
| [22:47:38] | Juski: | knock it all you want. we do |
| [22:47:41] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [22:47:48] | Beirdo: | and the next queen... BLECH! |
| [22:47:54] | Beirdo: | Queen Arf Arf |
| [22:48:15] | Beirdo: | long live Queen Elizabeth II |
| [22:48:20] | Beirdo: | we don't want the next set |
| [22:48:24] | Juski: | voting makes no difference apparently, so we're just trying to have a simple care-free life til it's too late (no doubt) |
| [22:49:10] | Dibblah: | We still have the lowest electricity cost in Europe, I guess. |
| [22:49:19] | Juski: | 2nd lowest I think |
| [22:49:22] | Beirdo: | jeez, still a heat index of 97F (36C) |
| [22:49:24] | Juski: | Germans pay more |
| [22:49:34] | Dibblah: | Lowest, not highest. |
| [22:49:37] | Juski: | or is it Swedes? |
| [22:49:47] | Beirdo: | I love humidity, it's just so great |
| [22:49:52] | Dibblah: | http://www.ewc.polimi.it/dl.php?file=EU%20ET% . . . ces_2004.pdf |
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| [22:50:58] | kormoc: | Beirdo, masochist... :P |
| [22:52:39] | Juski: | oh crap. I was gonna work out how much leccy we use in a month in this house... took the initial readings but erm.. forgot. oops |
| [22:53:26] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [22:53:35] | Beirdo: | yeah, I need to check again sometime soon |
| [22:53:38] | Juski: | think it might be worth trying to find more efficient PSUs for my machines.. if only manufacturers quoted fecking specs |
| [22:53:46] | kormoc: | Juski, some do |
| [22:53:54] | Beirdo: | the water bill says we used 12 cubic meters last month |
| [22:53:56] | Beirdo: | yeah RIGHT |
| [22:54:01] | Beirdo: | 3200 gallons or so |
| [22:54:07] | Beirdo: | but they didn't read for 3 months |
| [22:54:11] | Beirdo: | so we are disputing |
| [22:54:13] | Juski: | I wanna PF of at least 0.8 if I can get it |
| [22:54:14] | sapbeast: | i think the only current energy efficient psu is the picopsu dc-dc adaptor |
| [22:54:19] | PaulWay: | 12 megalitres? |
| [22:54:27] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [22:54:28] | Dibblah: | http://www.silentpcreview.com/section10.html |
| [22:54:32] | Beirdo: | something like that |
| [22:54:32] | kormoc: | Juski, check out http://www.pcpowercooling.com/home/ |
| [22:54:35] | Juski: | Beirdo: are they charging for the humidity too? |
| [22:54:38] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [22:54:46] | Beirdo: | we have used a lot, but spread over 3 months |
| [22:54:49] | kormoc: | Juski, PF of 0.9 on some of their supplys |
| [22:54:59] | Beirdo: | 4 cubic meters a moth I would believe |
| [22:55:13] | kormoc: | if I'm remembering right |
| [22:55:29] | kormoc: | Juski, http://www.pcpowercooling.com/products/viewpr . . . show=TC1KWCF PF 0.99 :) |
| [22:55:50] | PaulWay: | Curse, stuarta's left. |
| [22:55:52] | sapbeast: | warning: PFC != efficiency |
| [22:56:03] | Juski: | 75% efficiency is pretty good for a switcher though |
| [22:56:15] | sapbeast: | pretty much all active pfc power supplies are 0.99 |
| [22:56:16] | kormoc: | quote: "High Efficiency with .99 Power Factor" |
| [22:56:21] | kormoc: | I'd say that's PF and not PFC |
| [22:56:25] | sapbeast: | however they are NOT 99% efficient |
| [22:56:28] | Beirdo: | OK, gotta get ready to go |
| [22:56:28] | Juski: | sapbeast: I know that |
| [22:56:43] | Beirdo: | wifey has an on-call like 3h from here, so I'm gonna drive back |
| [22:56:43] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [22:56:54] | kormoc: | Juski, 83% efficiency on the tc1kwcf :) |
| [22:57:02] | sapbeast: | well really an active pfc might be 90% efficient at very best, a passive would be 80% |
| [22:57:04] | PaulWay: | I'm having a problem (log in http://pastebin.ca/84874) where I press escape to stop watching a pre-recorded show and it immediately goes back to watching the show I've just watched. |
| [22:57:13] | sapbeast: | only a horrible no-name supply would be worse |
| [22:57:34] | kormoc: | the thing I really love about Pc Power and Cooling is how great of a company they are |
| [22:57:59] | PaulWay: | I was working with stuarta last night on it but didn't get far. |
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| [22:58:34] | kormoc: | I have a 510 delux, and about 6 months after I bought it, on friday around 8 pm, I received a call from them. They'd had reports of a run of their power supplys with bad caps, so they wanted to replace mine for free just in case it was affected. I had the replacement one on my door step the next morning, same day air from CA to PA. |
| [22:58:41] | sapbeast: | efficiency is also unfortunately negated by the power consumption on more expensive systems |
| [22:58:42] | kormoc: | Both power supplys are working perfectly 2 years later :) |
| [22:58:43] | Juski: | kormoc: if they have a UK disty, I'll buy from them |
| [22:58:59] | PaulWay: | The key lines in the log are between 34 (where it finishes changing from WatchingPreRecorded to None) and 39 (where it starts going from None to WatchingPreRecorded) |
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| [22:59:26] | sapbeast: | my amd64 system draws 130 watts idle :/ (im sure its likely more, but i dont have a real |
| [22:59:34] | sapbeast: | watts up meter even |
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| [22:59:54] | kormoc: | Juski, that I don't know, but if you email them, I'm sure they'll get back to you with any info you'd need |
| [23:00:07] | schtinky: | so I have an analog card and a DVB card... I know the analog card is recording in mpeg4, but how do I know if the DVB card is? The picture looks way too clear to be a compressed MPEG-4. How do I get my HDTV content compressed when recorded? |
| [23:00:19] | Juski: | schtinky: transcoding |
| [23:00:29] | schtinky: | juski, that's the only way? |
| [23:00:35] | Juski: | schtinky: you get DVB in the format it's broadcast in – end of story |
| [23:00:56] | schtinky: | juski, why can't it be compressed on the fly? |
| [23:01:06] | Juski: | erm.. try compressing HD mpeg2 on the fly |
| [23:01:07] | kormoc: | schtinky, cpu heavy? |
| [23:01:27] | schtinky: | I've got an AMD 64 X2... not enough? |
| [23:01:30] | kormoc: | nope |
| [23:01:30] | PaulWay: | There's four cubic shitloads of pixels in there. |
| [23:01:43] | Juski: | think about how long it takes to encode mpeg2 SD.... compared to how longit takes to play back SD mpeg2 |
| [23:01:45] | PaulWay: | Beside, MythTV isn't set up that way. |
| [23:01:59] | kormoc: | schtinky, currently there is no processors that can handle re-encoding hd mpeg2 in real time |
| [23:02:16] | Juski: | there's custom silicon, but no linuxy drivers |
| [23:02:27] | PaulWay: | And the price of hard disk space is low – just do the transcoding. |
| [23:02:30] | kormoc: | well, yeah, I'm just talking about standard processors |
| [23:02:38] | schtinky: | I'm more familiar with ffmpeg than transcode... can I run an ffmpeg job on the file when it's finished? |
| [23:02:59] | kormoc: | schtinky, sure, via nuvexport, but not inside myth itself |
| [23:03:15] | schtinky: | when you say "transcode" do you mean "process in some way, whether ffmpeg, transcode or something else"? |
| [23:03:27] | kormoc: | mythtranscode specifically in this case |
| [23:03:32] | schtinky: | kormoc, only transcode can be used inside myth? |
| [23:03:45] | kormoc: | well, only mythtranscode can be used inside of myth |
| [23:03:58] | kormoc: | and it only supports converting into nuv or mpeg4 |
| [23:04:06] | kormoc: | nuvexport is the way to convert into other formats |
| [23:04:29] | PaulWay: | kormoc: converting into rtjpeg I think – nuv is just a container format. |
| [23:04:36] | kormoc: | ahh, right |
| [23:04:40] | kormoc: | mpeg4 goes into .nuv as well |
| [23:04:42] | kormoc: | my mistake |
| [23:04:45] | kormoc: | it's been awhile :) |
| [23:07:02] | schtinky: | ok I need a little conceptual clarification. I'm very new to Myth. Under software encoders (v4l based) I have my live TV, default, high and low set to mpeg4 stuff. Underneath software encoders I have Hardware DVB Encoders and Transcoders. My question is, how do you make one of these transcoding profiles "happen" to a newly recorded show? |
| [23:07:24] | kormoc: | you need to setup automatic transcoding of the recordings |
| [23:08:01] | PaulWay: | Set the default profile to autotranscode to a particular setting. |
| [23:08:02] | schtinky: | so under hardware DVB, I need to make sure those options are all selected to do auto-transcoding? |
| [23:08:09] | kormoc: | schtinky, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Man . . . g_Recordings |
| [23:08:11] | PaulWay: | Then every new show you record will be transcoded. |
| [23:08:11] | schtinky: | that's step 1 |
| [23:08:15] | sapbeast: | personally i do user jobs for automatic transcoding ~_~ (no, im not satisfied with the default encoders) |
| [23:09:16] | schtinky: | OK. Part II of my question is under transcoders I see "Autodetect from RTjpeg/MPEG4" which I don't understand |
| [23:09:30] | schtinky: | why "slash" RTjpeg and MPEG4 are different |
| [23:09:41] | schtinky: | and "autodetect" what? |
| [23:10:27] | schtinky: | autodetect from rtjpeg/mpeg4 sounds like I'm analyzing an RTjpeg or mpeg4 file... which is not what my HD content is |
| [23:10:50] | schtinky: | so I'm assuming that option is to do some process to mpeg4 or rtjpeg files |
| [23:10:53] | schtinky: | not what I need |
| [23:11:05] | schtinky: | probably I want autodetect from mpeg2 |
| [23:11:07] | sapbeast: | the only default option is from whatever to rtjpeg or mpeg-4 and nothing else |
| [23:11:56] | schtinky: | sapbeast, you mean the default recording option? |
| [23:12:11] | sapbeast: | schtinky: no transcoding, recording depends on your capture card |
| [23:12:34] | kormoc: | sapbeast, yes, but he's looking at setting up a transcode profil |
| [23:12:35] | kormoc: | e |
| [23:12:38] | PaulWay: | Anyone able to look at my FE log and give me a hand? |
| [23:12:42] | sapbeast: | if you have a hardware mpeg-2 card it will record mpeg-2 but transcode options are rtjpeg or mpeg-4 ... |
| [23:13:54] | kormoc: | sapbeast, okay, so back to the question, what does "Autodetect from RTjpeg/MPEG4" do? |
| [23:14:13] | sapbeast: | ive never used that :) |
| [23:14:27] | sapbeast: | im not even sure if its in the wiki |
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| [23:15:10] | schtinky: | still confused here |
| [23:15:27] | kormoc: | schtinky, in short, none of us know right now. You might want to just leave it alone |
| [23:15:36] | schtinky: | what did you do? |
| [23:15:46] | kormoc: | I leave it to the default |
| [23:15:56] | schtinky: | when you have SD or HD content, what do you do to encode it into MPEG4 compressed format? |
| [23:16:17] | sapbeast: | as i said i personally do user jobs for transcoding my shows |
| [23:16:25] | jedix: | anyone know what this is about: 2006-07–11 01:13:40.704 RingBuf(/var/lib/mythtv//1209_20060711011327.mpg): Invalid file (fd 16) when opening '/var/lib/mythtv//1209_20060711011327.mpg'. 0 retries remaining. |
| [23:16:28] | kormoc: | Honestly, I don't bother to re-encode |
| [23:16:42] | kormoc: | jedix, it can't open the file |
| [23:16:44] | PaulWay: | jedix: Does the file exist? |
| [23:16:46] | sapbeast: | so i can do automatic transcode to xvid with .avi container ... the results are very good for me and i leave them like that for "permanent" use |
| [23:17:01] | jedix: | that's when I try and tune live tv |
| [23:17:24] | kormoc: | schtinky, it takes my 2.13 ghz box around 2 hours to re-encode 1 hour of SD tv, thus why I don't bother to re-encode |
| [23:17:27] | sapbeast: | i would leave the originals alone, but my storage space isnt extreme and i have to use a large bitrate recording for good quality later (as in, my default record bitrate is 8000/9600!) |
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| [23:17:40] | PaulWay: | jedix: has the backend created the file? Look in /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log |
| [23:17:52] | sapbeast: | yeah it takes about the same time here, i do 2 pass transcode |
| [23:18:04] | sapbeast: | however i just say transcode this this and this, its done in the morning overnight :p |
| [23:18:31] | jedix: | PaulWay: no log of it creating the file |
| [23:18:36] | kormoc: | my poor box deals enough with just commflagging |
| [23:19:05] | schtinky: | sapbeast, so I'm setting up a user job with an ffmpeg command. How do I reference the file just created? |
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| [23:19:34] | sapbeast: | kormoc: thats odd, because it only does one job at a time and i set my user job to 15 priority (very low)... i never notice any slowness |
| [23:19:45] | schtinky: | sapbeast, normally, I'd just say ffmpeg -i inputfile.mpg -acodec mp3 -vcodec mpeg4 -b 2500 outfile.avi |
| [23:19:47] | schtinky: | right? |
| [23:19:47] | Tom7e: | what program does mythtv use to change channels? |
| [23:19:52] | sapbeast: | schtinky: i would tell you but its a bit long winded |
| [23:19:58] | sapbeast: | give me a second here |
| [23:20:12] | kormoc: | sapbeast, I know, but it's recording enough that it's always busy commflagging, and I perfer commflagging over transcoding :) |
| [23:20:24] | jedix: | so.. why can't it create a file? |
| [23:20:52] | kormoc: | Tom7e, it uses mythtv |
| [23:21:07] | kormoc: | jedix, donno, try running the backend in a console and seeing what spits out |
| [23:21:14] | sapbeast: | schtinky: http://pastebin.ca/85445 |
| [23:21:18] | sapbeast: | is my user job |
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| [23:21:32] | sapbeast: | kormoc: you must record ALOT then, i only do 1 or 2 shows a day at most |
| [23:21:39] | jedix: | k |
| [23:22:13] | kormoc: | sapbeast, a good bit, aye |
| [23:22:19] | sapbeast: | schtinky: its very un-pretty, but i would like to submit a version of that to the user jobs page on the wiki as an "example" user job... however im not sure if thats "allowed" |
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| [23:22:40] | sapbeast: | since i had to do alot of asking and hunting around to come up with that (i mean alot) |
| [23:22:42] | kormoc: | my userjob inside of myth for auto importing my cutlist into the recording |
| [23:22:43] | kormoc: | is |
| [23:22:53] | kormoc: | ooh wait, it won't help |
| [23:22:56] | kormoc: | nm :P |
| [23:23:05] | jedix: | kormoc: how does one do such a thing? mythtv-backend doesn't seem to be in my path |
| [23:23:11] | schtinky: | sapbeast, you're getting into all the archiving crap. Why can't I just reencode the file. Make it simple? |
| [23:23:21] | kormoc: | jedix, you'd likely need to be root |
| [23:23:22] | jedix: | oh it's mythbackend |
| [23:23:48] | sapbeast: | schtinky: someone else was trying to do that here with me, i forget how far he got with it... it involes doing something like that but also updating the mysql database so it points to the new file |
| [23:23:58] | sapbeast: | unfortunately i dont know where he disappeared to or if he succeeded |
| [23:24:51] | sapbeast: | schtinky: you can "simple" re-encode the file but as i said your limited to rtjpeg or mpeg-4 ... unfortunately thats all mythtv has right now unless you do something more advanced like i am |
| [23:25:08] | sapbeast: | im not sure if the mytharchive or mythweb projects have anything better to offer (???) |
| [23:25:33] | kormoc: | not mythweb |
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| [23:26:13] | sapbeast: | and mytharchive is now abandoned i believe... |
| [23:30:48] | sapbeast: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Jobs describes user jobs and has a link to a sample script that updates the database... however my perl kung fu is definitely not strong and i did the quick and dirty method for my archiving... im not very proficient enough to do database updating |
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| [23:32:15] | kslater: | if I have a slave backend/frontend machine that I'm adding. And I don't have the capture card yet, so only want to run the remote frontend. I don't have to do anything special, right? |
| [23:32:23] | kslater: | Just run the frontend only? |
| [23:32:33] | kormoc: | kslater, just follow the directions in the documentation |
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| [23:32:47] | kslater: | did as far as I know |
| [23:33:04] | kormoc: | there's a special section on remote frontends, did you follow that part? |
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| [23:33:14] | kslater: | I connect to the remote b/e and can see recordings, even the moving preview |
| [23:33:21] | kormoc: | then it's fine |
| [23:33:25] | ** kslater going back to doublecheck ** | |
| [23:33:32] | kormoc: | if it's working, you're done :P |
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| [23:33:47] | kslater: | but when I select a recording to view, I don't get it to show |
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| [23:34:23] | kslater: | I get an error message to the effect – can't open file myth://:/_recording_name.mpg |
| [23:34:39] | kslater: | like it's missing the master b/e ip address |
| [23:35:46] | kormoc: | that is very strange |
| [23:35:54] | kormoc: | as you shouldn't get live previews without that |
| [23:36:42] | kslater: | right, it's making the connection, but not when I select the show |
| [23:37:14] | kslater: | doh |
| [23:37:17] | sapbeast: | actually that makes me wonder whats involved setting up a remote frontend |
| [23:37:18] | kormoc: | well, run the frontend in a console and it will spit out a bunch of info, there might be a key in there |
| [23:37:22] | kslater: | it's in the docs |
| [23:37:34] | kormoc: | sapbeast, just giving database permissions to the remote frontend and that's bout it |
| [23:37:52] | sapbeast: | what about the file location? (samba?) |
| [23:38:04] | kormoc: | streams from the mythbackend |
| [23:38:11] | sapbeast: | ah ok then |
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| [23:38:39] | sapbeast: | curious because i have spare hardware... hmmm... |
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| [23:38:57] | firebird619: | I am using Ubuntu (Dapper Drake) and trying to setup MythTV. Whenever I install anything using Synaptic, it shows a screen that says E: mythtv-database: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 and E: mythtv: dependency problems-leaving unconfigured |
| [23:39:19] | kormoc: | tho, if you do mount the recordings locally via samba/nfs/etc, in the same place as on the backend, the remote frontend will read the 'local' copy rather then streaming |
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| [23:39:48] | metalac: | anyone knows how i can make firewire box stick to one node? |
| [23:39:57] | metalac: | it keeps changing when i turn off the box |
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| [23:40:37] | kormoc: | firebird619, just a FYI, ubuntu only has myth 0.18, which does not support mysql 5.x+, which is what ships with ubuntu. So if you are going to use ubuntu, you need to downgrade your mysql to a 4.xxx release, or use a non-offical ubuntu mythtv package |
| [23:40:47] | jedix: | so it says this: 2006-07–11 19:38:13.282 Preview Error: Previewer file '/movies/movies/mythtv/1209_20060711193755.mpg' is not valid |
| [23:40:54] | jedix: | (on the backend side) |
| [23:41:17] | PaulWay: | jedix: Looks like a repeated path problem there. |
| [23:41:31] | jedix: | no, it's actually movies/movies |
| [23:41:33] | kormoc: | jedix, and /movies/movies/mythtv/ is the right path? |
| [23:41:34] | PaulWay: | Maybe something in the configuration mentions /movies twice? |
| [23:41:40] | sapbeast: | kormoc: that was a major problem for me on gentoo, it kept insisting on installing 5.x |
| [23:41:49] | kormoc: | jedix, ls -l /movies/movies/mythtv/1209_20060711193755.mpg |
| [23:41:52] | jedix: | ls /movies/movies/mythtv/ |
| [23:41:52] | jedix: | nfslockfile.lock |
| [23:41:57] | jedix: | that's all |
| [23:42:07] | kormoc: | sapbeast, but gentoo has myth 0.19+, which is mysql 5 safe |
| [23:42:17] | firebird619: | kormoc: I downloaded and installed myth 0.19. I was here the other night and asked for help because I keep getting Access Denied errors when running mythtv from the terminal. I still have that problem and now this problem with Synaptic. |
| [23:42:27] | kormoc: | sucky :/ |
| [23:42:40] | sapbeast: | kormoc: still would not work for me, i forget what fixed it though... it was something about utf8 making mythbackend go WTF |
| [23:42:42] | jedix: | so, yeah.. that file DNE |
| [23:43:04] | kormoc: | sapbeast, ahh, yes, UTF-8 and the keysize |
| [23:43:20] | sapbeast: | yeah it gave me *days* of problems trying to figure out |
| [23:43:23] | kormoc: | sapbeast, if you just compile mysql without the UTF8 flag, it would have worked fine |
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| [23:43:37] | sapbeast: | kormoc: that was the big problem, the utf8 flag had been removed |
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| [23:43:46] | sapbeast: | so you were forced to use it :( |
| [23:43:57] | ** kormoc raises an eyebrow ** | |
| [23:43:57] | Jonathan1: | i gots a question |
| [23:44:13] | Jonathan1: | can i use multiple myth backends? |
| [23:44:15] | kormoc: | I gots a smart ass answer |
| [23:44:17] | kormoc: | aye |
| [23:44:44] | kormoc: | sapbeast, ahh, it was renamed, you just need +latin1 rather then -utf8 |
| [23:44:49] | jedix: | so.. any ideas on this whole file not existing problem? |
| [23:44:50] | Jonathan1: | say if i want one for dvb-s, one for hdtv, etc and have all frontends connect to all the backends? |
| [23:45:02] | kormoc: | Jonathan1, yes, it works |
| [23:45:11] | kormoc: | Jonathan1, or you could put all the cards into one backend too |
| [23:45:25] | sapbeast: | kormoc: DOH |
| [23:45:29] | Jonathan1: | kormoc: ahh |
| [23:45:35] | jedix: | now that's using your ass. |
| [23:45:43] | jedix: | err I mean backend |
| [23:45:44] | Jonathan1: | kormoc: i wanted atleast 3 cards, b |
| [23:46:05] | sapbeast: | kormoc: well at the time it was in transition, i was pulling my hiar out going "where the hell did the utf8 flag go?!" and the documentation was not updated until recently... i just checked and NOW they give the explanation that latin1 is the utf8 flag |
| [23:46:13] | Juski: | Jonathan1: so don't buy lame motherboards with 2 pci slots ;-) |
| [23:46:29] | kormoc: | Jonathan1, given you're in philly, if you have comcast, you might just want to rent a hd tuner box from them ($5 a month or so) and use direct fireware capture, it's the best method of hd capture right now |
| [23:46:31] | Jonathan1: | one for ATSC HDTV, one for DVB-S, and one for analog tv, having all 3 in one box would be kind of slow |
| [23:46:37] | Tom7e: | does the xmltv work with zap2it or some other service? |
| [23:47:08] | sapbeast: | that reminds me, my zap2it expires in a few days :( |
| [23:47:10] | Jonathan1: | kormoc: evenb pay channels? |
| [23:47:11] | kormoc: | Jonathan1, not really, if you use a pvr 150/250/350/500 for the analog, they're all hardware capture cards using very little (1% cpu per card) |
| [23:47:22] | ** Juski has given up looking for info on keybindings.. i.e. what the damn keys are called... ** | |
| [23:47:23] | kormoc: | Jonathan1, if you pay, yes |
| [23:47:29] | Jonathan1: | ahh, ok |
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| [23:47:43] | sapbeast: | Jonathan1: i have a pvr-150 and pvr-500, all 3 tuners at once is barely 2% cpu |
| [23:47:44] | kormoc: | Tom7e, zap2it replaces xmltv for people in the us |
| [23:48:06] | Tom7e: | where do you sign up for the account? |
| [23:48:10] | sapbeast: | Jonathan1: rather a better explanation is those cards are encoding the input regardless if you are watching tv or not, they are "always on" |
| [23:48:20] | kormoc: | Tom7e, it's covered in the docs on myth's site |
| [23:48:27] | sapbeast: | at least thats how the ivtv driver works |
| [23:48:42] | Juski: | I've got a remote, which is interpreted by a PIC that outputs ps2 keycodes... comes with my frontend box. I know which buttons output which keycodes.. but what are they called in mythtv's keymap scenario? |
| [23:49:10] | jedix: | so, no help on the file opening problem? |
| [23:49:12] | Jonathan1: | kormoc: well, i want to use c-band for everything and slowly phase out cable and ku band, my hdtv is ota, and my dvb-s will bring in the hdtv i want |
| [23:49:13] | sapbeast: | Jonathan1: if you use a software card though like an old wintv pci or the countless clone cards... there will be hefty cpu usage depending on options and hardware |
| [23:49:29] | kormoc: | Jonathan1, aye, and crappy quality |
| [23:49:55] | kormoc: | Jonathan1, fair nuff, but any good system should handle multiple c-band capture cards without any issues |
| [23:50:02] | kslater: | kormoc: I installed this system based on Jarod's guide. Which means all the packages came from atrpms and mysql is installed locally. |
| [23:50:13] | kormoc: | Jonathan1, play-back on the other hand could be an issue with HD |
| [23:50:38] | kormoc: | jedix, you need to run the backend in a console and get the error on why it's not recording |
| [23:50:43] | sapbeast: | Jonathan1: multiple cards only fail on horrible mainboards that have crappy pci implementation (i.e. avoid kt133 and such, but those are pre-historic) |
| [23:50:52] | Juski: | so.. the keybinding in mythtv.. where does one find out what all the keys are called? e.g. what would I put in the keymap for say.. scroll-lock? |
| [23:50:57] | jedix: | kormoc: I have done so |
| [23:50:58] | jedix: | 2006-07–11 19:38:13.282 Preview Error: Previewer file '/movies/movies/mythtv/1209_20060711193755.mpg' is not valid |
| [23:51:06] | kormoc: | I'd recommend to just stay away from via's and s3's all togehter for mobos |
| [23:51:16] | kormoc: | jedix, there's more then jsut that |
| [23:51:30] | jedix: | k.. |
| [23:51:31] | jedix: | sec |
| [23:51:31] | sapbeast: | Juski: i can paste you my config file |
| [23:51:32] | kormoc: | jedix, and you want the errors it spits out on starting a recording |
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| [23:52:01] | Jonathan1: | sapbeast: so say if i'm recording from my hdtv card (the exact ts stream), my dvb card (also it's exact dvb stream), and the 350 for analog tv (you can set it's mpeg2 encoder to what resolution you want), if i'm recording from all 3 and want to watch whats being recorded on one of them or watch a recorded program, will i need a heafty system? |
| [23:52:21] | kormoc: | Jonathan1, sd not so much, hd, yes |
| [23:52:25] | PaulWay: | jedix: have you checked the path config in mythbackend setup as to where it will record files to? |
| [23:52:29] | Juski: | sapbeast: which config file? I made an xmodmap file originally but that screws up the keyboard over a vnc connection – so I'd rather remap them in mythtv |
| [23:52:36] | kormoc: | Jonathan1, hd takes a heafty system to playback on no matter what's recording on it |
| [23:52:39] | kslater: | mythfrontend and mythbackend on the slave are clearly trying to connect to mysql locally (even though it's not running). ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt has the correct hostname in it. |
| [23:52:43] | ** kslater puzzled ** | |
| [23:52:48] | Jonathan1: | kormoc: ahh |
| [23:52:57] | sapbeast: | Juski: the ~mythtv/lircrc file i use... |
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| [23:53:19] | sapbeast: | the /etc/lircd or whatever has the hardware config, and the ~mythtv/lircrc file does the key mapping |
| [23:53:20] | Juski: | sapbeast: this isn't lirc. the ir receiver spews out ps2 keyboard codes on the ps2 keyboard port |
| [23:53:24] | Jonathan1: | with backends, atleast for hdtv, is a gigE adapter and a gigE switch a good idea? |
| [23:53:28] | kormoc: | kslater, and the hostname is set right in /etc/hosts? |
| [23:53:50] | sapbeast: | Juski: oh :( still you can just look at an lirc file and see what buttons are mapped to what |
| [23:53:54] | kormoc: | Jonathan1, likely not needed, hd is only 8 to 12 mbit per second or so |
| [23:53:55] | sapbeast: | at least i think... |
| [23:54:03] | Juski: | sapbeast: nope |
| [23:54:06] | kormoc: | Jonathan1, but it won't hurt |
| [23:54:15] | PaulWay: | Jonathan1: You can get away with 100baseT but go with GigE if you have the money. |
| [23:54:36] | sapbeast: | Juski: are you sure? cos mine has the actual keyboard presses in them... |
| [23:54:50] | Juski: | the remote puts out the number keys, arrows & 'ok' (enter) just fine. The other functions are odd keys like F10, scrolllock, num8 & suchlike |
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| [23:55:08] | Juski: | and there is no lirc driver for this embedded thing |
| [23:55:11] | PaulWay: | sapbeast: There are some dodgy IR receivers that appear as an actual keyboard, and then there are others that work with lirc directly. |
| [23:55:20] | Jonathan1: | kormoc: what about of two or more frontends want to watch the same hd content, then definately gigE? |
| [23:55:25] | jedix: | PaulWay: mythbackend setup? |
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| [23:55:46] | kslater: | kormoc: I use dns and the name resolves correctly |
| [23:55:46] | sapbeast: | Juski: thats the thing though, if it outputs standard keypresses i imagine it would still work by using keyboard shortcuts... or is the ir reciever fixed at what keys it does for what button? |
| [23:56:04] | PaulWay: | jedix: stop the mythbackend, run mythsetup, and start the backend after you've checked the paths. |
| [23:56:04] | Juski: | sapbeast: the ir receiver is a microcontroller |
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| [23:56:05] | kormoc: | Jonathan1, honestly, I don't think it would be needed, 100 mbit cat 5 will be able to nail at least 5 streams imho, but PaulWay seems to disagree |
| [23:56:10] | Juski: | so yes it's fixed |
| [23:56:15] | jedix: | PaulWay: mythtv-setup? |
| [23:56:21] | kormoc: | kslater, that's very strange... |
| [23:56:21] | PaulWay: | Yeah, that's the one. |
| [23:56:31] | jedix: | PaulWay: yeah, that's done. |
| [23:56:35] | sapbeast: | Juski: im sorry then :( the only way i know how to remap keys then is through xmodmap then :( |
| [23:56:56] | Jonathan1: | kormoc: ahh |
| [23:57:12] | Juski: | what I'd like to know is... is there a list of definitions for the _names_ of all the keys? are they just standard linuxy names, or are they something else? |
| [23:57:27] | sapbeast: | Jonathan1: and no i didnt ignore your question, as far as my system goes i could be recording 3 shows at once and play one back... and the cpu usage is still utterly minimal... even software SD decode is pretty fast (< 10% for me?) |
| [23:57:44] | sapbeast: | Juski: one sec... |
| [23:58:08] | Juski: | there's a bunch of mysql I've been given which is supposedly a keymapping for this remote, but whoever did it has a strange idea of what logical means ;-) |
| [23:58:17] | Jonathan1: | sapbeast: ahh, ok, thanks. i just wanted to make sure |
| [23:58:48] | kslater: | kormoc: since it's an atrpms machine that isn't in service, I may just blow away mysqld (and all of myth) and then grab only mythfrontend for now. |
| [23:58:53] | Tom7e: | can anyone tell me what my problem is here: http://rafb.net/paste/results/yzHVbt92.html |
| [23:59:03] | Tom7e: | i think my mysql is really screwed up or something |
| [23:59:23] | Juski: | Tom7e: incorrect privileges for the mythtv mysql user |
| [23:59:24] | PaulWay: | kormoc: If you have the money, go with GigE any day :-) |
| [23:59:44] | PaulWay: | jedix: Have you checked the path configuration? |
| [23:59:54] | Tom7e: | Juski: how do i correct this |
| [23:59:56] | jedix: | http://jebus.ca/~jedix/foo.txt |
| [23:59:56] | sapbeast: | Juski: http://pastebin.ca/85492 i realize you do not use lirc, however that config file (the one i use for my usb remote) shows you the actualy keypresses |
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