Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, July 8th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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scopeuk:

you being serious

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Juski:

gardengnome: being eternally single, growing a big fuzzy beard & walking round with no shoes on? no thanks

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scopeuk:

juski you wanna comment on that?

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kormoc:

Juski, but think of the herring!

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scopeuk:

Juski think you jsut described me

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** scopeuk cries **

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gardengnome:

Juski: hey, jesus was cool.

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Juski:

scopeuk: I can totally relate to the small social group thing talking about weird topics.. that was me @ college

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scopeuk:

yep

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scopeuk:

heh when im outside that group i find it hard to find ice breakers

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Juski:

but I had a pirate radio station, which kinda made me cool

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scopeuk:

lol

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gardengnome:

i had some freshmen yelling "black sect" at me and my friends. idiots.

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scopeuk:

i jsut use to hack the network

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scopeuk:

any way

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kormoc:

scopeuk, just go to a bar, find the cutest girl there, dump some salt on her, and when she screams and asks what the fuck are you doing, just explain that you're breaking the ice, cause salt melts ice and all.

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Juski:

I'm pretty good at ice-breaking but it can go too far

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scopeuk:

kormoc in my town thats liable to result in me waking up in 5 – 6 weeks time in a hospital bed

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gardengnome:

kormoc: that won't break the ice, but his nose.

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scopeuk:

heh wedgies have worke in the past

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kormoc:

indeed, but it would give you a fun story to break the ice with next time! :P

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scopeuk:

heh

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Juski:

e.g. went for a meal a few years ago to celebrate a friend getting engaged.. was an italian resteraunt.. everyone was staying in their own little cliques & pondering what to order.. so I said .. "what's everybody having then? I hear the fellatio here is very good"

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Juski:

problem was, the young waitress virtually died on the spot. oops

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scopeuk:

lol

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kormoc:

ha!

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gardengnome:

there are a few good pickup lines, though. 'i want to melt in your mouth, not in your hand'. 'Pardon my is there a mirror in your pocket because I can see myself in your pants.' and so on.

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kormoc:

nah, come on, we're geeks

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Juski:

"do you want to come back to my place & see how fast my s100 box boots up?"

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** gardengnome distances himself from that statement **

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scopeuk:

think i know one girl that whould work with

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scopeuk:

she was lovely

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gardengnome:

Juski: well, "hey, wanna see my new bedroom frontend" actually works.

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kormoc:

"Do you prefer the static or expanding universe theory more? Because, since I first saw you, I'm expanding."

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scopeuk:

only girl ive ever meet who could hold her own in a technical conversation and was prety

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kormoc:

"Did it hurt when you fell out of heaven, because p=mv and your velocity after falling that far would be incredible"

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Juski:

scopeuk: we had one of them at uni. she drank real ale & smoked a pipe

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scopeuk:

thatsslap material

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scopeuk:

dont know about the pipe but the rest is cool

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kormoc:

" Girl, I wish I was your differential, because then I'd be touching all your curves."

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scopeuk:

good one there

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scopeuk:

unfurtunately al lteh girls droped our maths class after the first year

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Juski:

scopeuk: sensible shoes.. looked a bit like Fred Dibnah with longer hair

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scopeuk:

i say all there were 3 of them

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D-side:

damnit.

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D-side:

i wonder..

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kormoc:

"We're like SLI. Were great alone, but we'd be so much better together."

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scopeuk:

lol

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Juski:

majorly expensive and possibly unstable?!

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scopeuk:

there not the same when you have to explain em though

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kormoc:

"You can put a Trojan on my Hard Drive anytime"

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gardengnome:

"# "I can't help it — my eyes are trapped in the gravitational field of your breasts!!"" hehe

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scopeuk:

Juski good explanation of most cross gender relationships

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scopeuk:

gardengnome ice warter works better

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D-side:

i'm gonna guess the xbox really is pissed off at the component output.

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D-side:

for booting linux on i mean

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Juski:

scopeuk: you saying that lesbians & gay men don't experience the gold-digger phenomenon? interesting theory...

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scopeuk:

id guess they do

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scopeuk:

not being in a lesbian or gay relationship however im not sure

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Juski:

heh. me neither

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Juski:

better check my txt messages...

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Juski:

nope. no word yet

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scopeuk:

heh its great meet girl at meal with lots of random people

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scopeuk:

spend 5 horus with a mate and said gil plus her sister

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scopeuk:

she puts her number in my phone

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scopeuk:

then falls for my mate

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scopeuk:

oh well such is life i guess

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Juski:

oops

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gardengnome:

she probably didn't like your phone.

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Juski:

I always used to get way too drunk before I made any kind of move. falling over/slurring lots/drooling doesn't do ya any favours

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scopeuk:

she dident liek that it was password protected

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Juski:

hahaha

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Juski:

tries putting the sim card in her own phone to read your texts... "could not mount /"

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scopeuk:

access revoked administerign thermite

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scopeuk:

i did unlock it for her i meam im evil not crule

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gardengnome:

heh. i'm gonna put the "could not mount /" one as the greeting message in my cellphone :)

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Juski:

you should probably run e2fsck now

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Juski:

ooo scopeuk.. wanna buy a case badge?

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scopeuk:

what sort of case badge?

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scopeuk:

and will they be at lug?

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Juski:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/images/badges.png

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Juski:

very limited edition ;-)

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scopeuk:

hmm dont know

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kormoc:

total run of 5 to be exact!

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scopeuk:

untill the 16'th i have nothign but coppers

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kormoc:

numbered and signed by the artist, Juski.

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scopeuk:

there are much more deserving myth boxen than mine

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Juski:

artist.. that's one word I suppose

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Juski:

you know what the worst thing about having to go collect a drunken partner from the city centre is?

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Juski:

not the fact it's late... not the fact they'll be so drunk they can hardly talk...

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kormoc:

cleaning the car the next day?

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gardengnome:

the other drunken people?

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scopeuk:

gardengnome words out of my mouth

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Juski:

the other drunken people who want a lift home too... in your car

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scopeuk:

"drunk friends"

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scopeuk:

right on the money

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kormoc:

Juski, hit them up for gas money as they enter and leave your car

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Juski:

kormoc: I normally do as a joke (only a joke since I'm usually going that way)...

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Juski:

last time I came out £20 on top

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kormoc:

hehe, nice

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Juski:

still rather not have to listen to drunken banter though

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kormoc:

radio, volume set to 11!

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scopeuk:

11

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scopeuk:

try 48

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Juski:

heh. mine only goes to 23 before it clips

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Juski:

110dBA by that point though

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Juski:

factory fitted, too

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kormoc:

end of banter!

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braniff:

what is the best CPU type to purchase these days ?

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braniff:

to be both a desktop system AND a mythtv backend/frontend

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kormoc:

http://spinaltapfan.com/atozed/TAP00160.HTM

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gardengnome:

i like a CPU that works well with the best editor.

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kormoc:

braniff, it's really up to you. I like Intel gear, others like AMD.

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braniff:

is there one that will do what I want for about 250USD for a mobo/cpu combo ?

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kormoc:

easy

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kormoc:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819116001 + http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813121289

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Juski:

kormoc: my yahama av amp actually _does_ go up to 11. found out at new years. it was hilarious at the time

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kormoc:

that's a dual core, 64 bit proc, with a ddr2 mobo that supports pci-e

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kormoc:

Juski, nice :)

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D-side:

GreyFoxx: around?

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braniff:

looks good

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bobbyz:

Mattwj2005: thanks for your help earlier. I had overlooked that channel frequency setting just as you suspected. I meant to thank you earlier but I had to leave in a rush :)

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GreyFoxx:

D-side: Yup

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bobbyz:

It's working perfectly now

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Mattwj2005:

no problem....just pay it forward :)

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bobbyz:

will do :)

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kormoc:

braniff, tho if you wait a few days, there should be a price drop right around the courner, as the intel core 2 will be releasing shortly

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bobbyz:

have a great evening!

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braniff:

does mythtv function well using an SMP kernel ?

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kormoc:

aye

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D-side:

GreyFoxx: working on that problem.

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Mattwj2005:

you too

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** LLyric using on smp now. You're more likely to have issues with drivers than mythtv itself. **

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braniff:

hmm...i use very standard hardware, except for my pvr150

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LLyric:

Should be fine

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kormoc:

Aye, smp is common enough that it's usually not an issue

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braniff:

sweet

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kormoc:

I'd recommend a nvidia 6200 or higher with that box. it's well worth it imho

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braniff:

i'll see what kind of deals they have on those at the puter store

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braniff:

i just bought a mATX case with a pentium 4

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braniff:

i'm taking it back to the store because it keeps overheating

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braniff:

with that money i will get a pentium D

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kormoc:

braniff, a pci-e 6200 should run around $40 or so

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kormoc:

braniff, but I'd recommend paying the extra for a non-turbo cache card

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kormoc:

which puts it around $60

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braniff:

thanks for the advice, guys

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kormoc:

Turbo Cache cards have a small chunk of ram on board (like 8 megs or so) and use system ram for the rest, so a 256 meg turbo cache card will use up 248 megs of ram

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kormoc:

g'luck!

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GreyFoxx:

cool

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infringer:

hello

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infringer:

has anyone had luck installing and running rpm's for mandriva?

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infringer:

it seems as if I am having issues dont want to be a dumbass or smartass either I am kinda new to linux in general... So I may not have the brightest questions therefore forgive me if my questions are not l337 questions.

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infringer:

jerkface hrmmm...

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scopeuk:

infringer got any more specfic information on the issues

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infringer:

jerkface NG jerkface?

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infringer:

my issues are somewhat confusing I got it installed as well as the plugins when I su to root and start it gives me an sql database errror

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infringer:

2006-07–07 19:40:28.809 Using WOL to wakeup database server (Try 1 of 5)

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infringer:

2006-07–07 19:40:29.096 Using runtime prefix = /usr

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gardengnome:

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infringer:

but that is not the error which I am concerned about it is another having to do with a .sock file in the var folder

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infringer:

not being found

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Dagmar:

Well, you need to be a *bit* more specific than this

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infringer:

ok

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Dagmar:

Like, what does "when I su to root and start it gives me an sql database error" mean

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Dagmar:

Don't make this like pulling teeth

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infringer:

ok

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gardengnome:

pulling teeth would be more fun %)

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infringer:

;)

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infringer:

I suspected my questions would not be to literate as I admit I am not

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Dagmar:

We need to know WHAT you're tying, and WHAT it's saying

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Dagmar:

s/tying/typing/;

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scopeuk:

ok give us what you type adn the eroor

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infringer:

I start the front end

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Dagmar:

*bzzt*

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infringer:

go through 3 steps and hit finish

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Dagmar:

"I start the front end" is not a command

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infringer:

ok

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Dagmar:

Is the backend started already?

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Dagmar:

Did you start the MySQLd?

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infringer:

yes it starts at boot

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Dagmar:

There's _three_ parts that need to be running.

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Dagmar:

...not "just" the frontend

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infringer:

not so sure on how to start it I followed the guide typing what was required in cmd line

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infringer:

but it is as if it will not start

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Dagmar:

Okay, look up at what you typed and tell me how I'm supposed to know what "it" in "yes it starts at boot" means

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infringer:

even in sqlgui it appears not to start

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Dagmar:

Sentence fragments are for chumps.

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infringer:

At boot in verbose mode there is a green OK next to mythbackend so I suspect the backend has started.

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Dagmar:

That's actually a pretty good assumption.

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Dagmar:

Thumbs up.

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gardengnome:

check with ps ax | grep mythb

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Dagmar:

You *will* want to check

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Dagmar:

The backend will start and then just die off if the mysqld isn't running

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Dagmar:

...which will make the frontend unable to run

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infringer:

I guess my question is how do I get mysql running correctly on mandriva then at boot being it is not in the services and is already verified as installed?

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infringer:

as they suggest in the guide to start it in services at boot...

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infringer:

mandriva 2006 free edition is the OS I should probably clarify as well.

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scopeuk:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.1

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scopeuk:

infringer havea look at thie link i posted it talsk about mandriva

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scopeuk:

straight off the myth tv wiki

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scopeuk:

jsut for sql i should add

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infringer:

Database error was:

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infringer:

Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (2)

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Dagmar:

Okay, thats pretty reasonable

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Dagmar:

It very definitely means that the mysqld isn't running

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scopeuk:

which brings me back to http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/OCZ_Gold_Memory.html it lists 4 commands to run to cheack /initialise mysqld

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Dagmar:

Do you see anything that even looks remotely like mysqld in the output of the chkconfig tool

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infringer:

as I suspect myself thank you for you're patience all greatly appreciated.

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Dagmar:

scopeuk: Looks like a place to buy RAM to me man

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scopeuk:

oh ffs

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scopeuk:

not copying links

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scopeuk:

gonna kill someone

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scopeuk:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.1

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scopeuk:

try that

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Dagmar:

I can't remember what the specific invocation of chkconfig is to get it to list the services starting at whatever runlevels

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infringer:

yes I will I am doing that currently

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scopeuk:

ok

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Dagmar:

Ooo Mandriva right at the top of the list. Sweet

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scopeuk:

there is a reason i posted it Dagmar ;-)

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Dagmar:

I'm starting to <sarcasm>really love</sarcasm> mysql

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infringer:

I currently cannot start my counsole do to a kdeinit need to restart my session brb

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Dagmar:

infringer: Dude, type `telinit 3` in a terminal as root

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Dagmar:

I'm almost wishing there were a local mysql users group here.

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infringer:

hrmmm thats the problem the terminal will not start

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Dagmar:

I've been looking at the problem for a few nights now and I can't find *one* _reliable_ to completely purge unused space from the database files

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infringer:

gui gives me an error brb

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Dagmar:

infringer: I'm talking about kconsole or whatever passes for an xterm

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D-side:

konsole.

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evilbuny:

apt-get install mysql-server

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evilbuny:

problem solved :)

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gardengnome:

OT: is there a reason why mushkin RAM is so cheap? it's like half the price of all other brands for 2048mb of pc2–800 ddr2 ram.

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Dagmar:

Is this coming straight from Mushkin?

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Dagmar:

Probably someone mislisted it if it's _half_ the price

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: looks like it, it's got mushkin written over the heatspreaders.

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: no. several shops have it for that price.

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Dagmar:

Umm...

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Dagmar:

Weirdness

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Dagmar:

There's got to be some technical difference about it

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Dagmar:

Maybe that's the price you get if you skip the lifetime warranty

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gardengnome:

it's CL5. that's not that fast, but that doesn't justify the price drop.

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scopeuk:

any one here ever tried to use oen of the lifetiem warenties?

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Dagmar:

Yep

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scopeuk:

any luck?

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Dagmar:

Yep

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: well, *lifetime* warranties are overrated. 10 years is enough :)

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Dagmar:

I didn't have a problem with Kingston

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Dagmar:

Yeah, I agree there

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scopeuk:

gardengnome if i coulld get cash off for droping years off my warenty id do it

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Juski:

"just having chinese food with the lads.. won't be long..." grrrr

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scopeuk:

isent it meant to be chips and kebab after a ngiht out

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Juski:

not with investment wankers

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Juski:

oops typo ;-)

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Dagmar:

Me, I like not having to spend retail price on five year old RAM

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Dagmar:

Like, you don't want to think about what a 16Mb stick of FPRAM costs now

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scopeuk:

heh i wonder if ive got any obsolet gold stuff in any of the crap igot piled roudn ehre

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gardengnome:

http://www.mushkin.com/doc/products/memory_detail.asp?id=373& nbsp;– this is the memory i'm talking about

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gardengnome:

looks like i'll get lifetime warranty, too.

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scopeuk:

tats aitn a 16 meg chip

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scopeuk:

oh wrogn person sorry

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gardengnome:

heh

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scopeuk:

nice stuff

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Juski:

oh holy crap. my usb stick install is busted

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scopeuk:

lol or tears?

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Mattwj2005:

the only thing I wonder about....lets say you got a lifetime warranty on a stick of SIMM back in the day....what use would that be now?

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Dagmar:

If the machine it's in is still being used

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Mattwj2005:

true.....

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Dagmar:

My firewall has two 128mb sticks of PC100 in it

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alsoconfused:

Mattwj2005: i'll sell you a wafer of micron 4mb drams. installation not included :)

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Dagmar:

CompuSA expects me to pay $44 per stick for that

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infringer:

[root@localhost infringer]# chkconfig --level 35 mysql on

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infringer:

error reading information on service mysql: No such file or directory

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Dagmar:

...which is downright laughable.

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Dagmar:

infringer: Do a `chkconfig --list | grep mysql`

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Dagmar:

If you get *no* output, that's a problem. It means you don't actually have mysql installed like you think you do

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infringer:

ahhh

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Juski:

silly umbongo... wouldn't mount the thingy

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infringer:

interesting

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infringer:

no output

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Dagmar:

rpm -qa | grep mysql

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Dagmar:

....I *think*

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infringer:

err is there a flood ban in this channel

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infringer:

mind if I pm to you?

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gardengnome:

put it on pastebin.ca

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Juski:

gardengnome: could you be a start & dig out the sql you said you had for the remote keymapping?

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Juski:

s/start/star..

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Dagmar:

If you flood my client, it auto-ignores you and that solves the problem for *me* anyway

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infringer:

[root@localhost infringer]# rpm -qa | grep mysql

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infringer:

libqt3-mysql-3.3.4–23mdk

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infringer:

libmysql15–5.0.4–0.beta.1mdk

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infringer:

libsqlguimysql0–0.1.1–5mdk

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infringer:

perl-DBD-mysql-3.0002–1mdk

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infringer:

php-mysql-5.0.4–1mdk

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infringer:

libsqlguimysql0-devel-0.1.1–5mdk

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infringer:

php-mysqli-5.0.4–1mdk

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infringer:

libmysql15-devel-5.0.4–0.beta.1mdk

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infringer:

libmysql14–4.1.12–4.3.20060mdk

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Dagmar:

go go gadget ignorescript

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scopeuk:

when they say pastebin.ca they mean go tothe site and use it

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Dagmar:

Well, I didn't see mysql actually installed before my client snuffed the output

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gardengnome:

Juski: sure. i'll just upload the whole .sql file, it's too late/early tonight for me to pull out the info, if you dont mind

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infringer:

oh forgive me for my ignorance I did not know that he was referencing my question

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infringer:

thought he was still talking about ram

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infringer:

or something

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gardengnome:

%)

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Juski:

gardengnome: no probs :-)

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Dagmar:

mysql libraries are not the same thing as having mysql installed.

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infringer:

http://pastebin.ca/82056

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infringer:

very useful site thank you I will have to bookmark it

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scopeuk:

its in the topic ;-)

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scopeuk:

thats jsut libraries from what i can see

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Mattwj2005:

hey guys...well I didn't

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Mattwj2005:

*did it

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Dagmar:

So are your parents disowning you or just extremelyy "disappointed"?

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gardengnome:

Juski: umm, looking for it..

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Mattwj2005:

dagmar come man...where is the love?

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Dagmar:

heh

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Mattwj2005:

no I got HDTV to work with MythTV

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gardengnome:

Juski: serve.mythwiki.de – the backup one is what you need, methinks.

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infringer:

hrmmm just lib files that would explain a bit though it shows client in my software install list and I installed it... lemme double check that brb.

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Dagmar:

client != server

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Mattwj2005:

install kernel 2.6.18-rc1

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Mattwj2005:

and configure the pchdtv-5500 has a dvb card....and that was that

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Dagmar:

.18 is out? Damn

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Dagmar:

Oh whew

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Mattwj2005:

release candidate

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Dagmar:

I was gonna fuss. I *just* put in 17.4 yesterday

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infringer:

MySQL50-client-5.0.4–0.beta.1mdk.i586

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Dagmar:

"Dear Linus... Please give us time to finish building the latest kernel before you obsolete it. My 3200+ is supposed to be fast enough for this."

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D-side:

hell i just put .16 in yesterday.

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Juski:

cheers gardengnome :-)

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infringer:

is the one I have sitting on my desktop

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Dagmar:

infringer: You need the mysqld server

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infringer:

ok

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scopeuk:

was gonna say if one were to compile each kernal release how faster proccesor whould you need to be able to do anything else with it

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Dagmar:

I've no idea what they named it because I don't trust those frenchmen

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infringer:

thx will find hopefully this will remedy

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Juski:

phew that took some finding.

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scopeuk:

must step away from the evil joke

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scopeuk:

must step away from the dirty joke

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scopeuk:

think of pink bunneys

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Juski:

mmmyerrrs

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Juski:

damn. it really needs the 10 second delay to mount root

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scopeuk:

harsh

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scopeuk:

http://www.ahajokes.com/police_joke_of_the_day.shtml

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tank-man:

type the joke

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linagee:

scopeuk: think of math. :)

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scopeuk:

id type it but its a long one

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Tom7e:

how do I get lirc_mceusb2 and lircd to load when i start my computer?

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xris:

Tom7e: distro?

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tank-man:

start them up in a startup script

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Tom7e:

ubuntu dapper

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xris:

it should just install.. though you do need the kernel module for the mceusb2 remote

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xris:

er, not instal... start.

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Juski:

time to go be taxi

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Tom7e:

how do i test it after i reboot?

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Tom7e:

irw?

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kormoc:

lsmod to make sure the module loaded

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xris:

ps axf | grep lirc

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Tom7e:

what does that do

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Tom7e:

one more question, do you install ivtv and then the firmware, in that order?

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xris:

doesn't really matter. won't work without both

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kormoc:

ps axf | grep lirc lists the running processes and grep only outputs the lines that contain lirc

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scopeuk:

Two atoms are walking down the street and they run in to each other. One says to the other, "Are you all right?" "No, I lost an electron!" "Are you sure?" "Yeah, I'm positive!"

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tank-man:

i grined when i read that joke :P

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scopeuk:

ok so its a little techinical but i figured alot of you whould get it

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Tom7e:

xris: well, i don't know where my firmware directory is, and this page http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Firmware told me to look for the file firmware.agent and that file doesn't exist.

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tank-man:

slocate firmware.agent

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scopeuk:

sorry foudn this ammusing http://www.fark.com/

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scopeuk:

its nto news atm there havign technical problems

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Tom7e:

tank-man: nothing.

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tank-man:

Tom7e, try the two suggestions in that page

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scopeuk:

any way gnite

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WyKiD:

whats the minimum power supply i can use for my myth box?

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tank-man:

that depends on the hardware, not mythtv

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kormoc:

WyKiD, depends on the hardware, the software doesn't really matter

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WyKiD:

well i'll have a p4 2ghz w/ 512 ddr, wintv-pvr-150 and one optical drive (cd-rw)

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kormoc:

how many hard drives, and any other cards?

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LLyric:

What about graphic cards, hard drives?

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WyKiD:

yea i forgot

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evilbuny:

optical drive

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kormoc:

So far, i'd say 350 watt min, 400 recommended, to be safe

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WyKiD:

possibly 1 nic, 1 video out card (geforce2), 2 hdds

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LLyric:

Yeah

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WyKiD:

yea now that i think of all the stuff in it

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WyKiD:

makes sense

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WyKiD:

im trying to rebuild an old dell i have

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LLyric:

There are calculators on the 'net eg http://journeysystems.com/power_supply_calculator.php

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D-side:

GreyFoxx: none have it. sorry.

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WyKiD:

i couldnt transplant the dell board into a new pc because its not compatible

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kormoc:

Watch out with Dells, some of them have custom motherboards that require special power supplys

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WyKiD:

yea thats why i gotta get a new case, psu, and mobo

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WyKiD:

i've seen those "Media Center" cases but the ones with psu's usually have 200–300W powersupplys

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WyKiD:

is it better just to get a tower?

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kormoc:

depends

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kormoc:

I run my mythbox on a celeron 2.13 ghz and a single hd, and a 6200 off of a 250 watt power supply, but that's close to the limit, but it's fine for what I want

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kormoc:

I had to set the drives to delay the power on to make sure not to pull too much current from the ps at boot up tho

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kormoc:

*drive

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LLyric:

a weak psu is very often the cause of system instability

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WyKiD:

oyea will using a IDE HDD instead of SATA limit the performance that bad?

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kormoc:

not too much

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kormoc:

my ides hit about 35 to 40 megabytes per second, my sata tend to hit 65 to 70 megabytes per second

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kormoc:

but for myth, they're both fast enough

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WyKiD:

cool

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WyKiD:

i hope installation all goes well

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WyKiD:

i just need nto buy the psu

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WyKiD:

i plan on installing with Knoppmyth

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WyKiD:

i read that was good

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d3ity:

sup mythtv-users

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d3ity:

my channel listings still won't show up.

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Tom7e:

so i failed to install ivtv. i did the test, cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg, and it said "no such file or directory" so where did i go wrong?

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d3ity:

Tom7e, hehe, ivtv

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d3ity:

Tom7e, you used the wrong >, try cat /dev/video0 < test.mpg

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GreyFoxx:

uhhh no

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GreyFoxx:

he had the cat correct

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Tom7e:

said the same thing

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d3ity:

hrm

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d3ity:

perhaps you did have it right

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GreyFoxx:

he did

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d3ity:

but thats what fixed the error for me

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** d3ity can never diffrentiate stream extraction and stream insertion **

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kormoc:

Tom7e, does dmesg give any hints?

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kormoc:

d3ity, it points in the way the stream is going

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d3ity:

kormoc, yes, my compsci professor keeps telling me this, and I keep just....doing stupid things

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Tom7e:

i will post dmesg to pastebin

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d3ity:

anyway, kormoc, nice to see a slacker.

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d3ity:

now who want's to fix my Mysqhell

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d3ity:

all my guide listings keep showing up as Unknown

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Tom7e:

think maybe i put the firmware in the wrong directory

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d3ity:

Tom7e, what distro are you using

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Tom7e:

ubuntu dapper

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d3ity:

hrm.

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ThreeE:

isn't there an incompatibility between mysql and mythtv in dapper?

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d3ity:

ThreeE, heh.

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DrMitch:

with knoppmyth, you don't HAVE to run the frontend from the CD do you?

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kormoc:

ThreeE, yes, there is

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** d3ity is not a fan of ubuntu **

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** DrMitch isn't either **

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Tom7e:

i put it in /lib/firmware and then /lib/firmware/2.6.15-25–386/ and got the same dmesg

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kormoc:

ThreeE, mysql 5, which was marked stable in ubuntu requires myth 0.19+, but ubuntu only has 0.18

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kormoc:

ThreeE, so your options are to downgrade mysql or upgrade myth outside of ubuntu

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kormoc:

DrMitch, no, you can install it to the drive

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Tom7e:

pastebin is being a jerk

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DrMitch:

k, coolz

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ThreeE:

kormoc — I'm not installing — just answering — I use Gentoo :)

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d3ity:

Tom7e, use rafb.net

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d3ity:

pastebin.com is just.... well...permanently /.ed

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kormoc:

ThreeE, heh, good call ;)

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Tom7e:

http://rafb.net/paste/results/AsqQyy86.html

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d3ity:

ThreeE, aye, .02% optimization. I like 1997 too much personally.

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d3ity:

:)

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kormoc:

Tom7e, you sure your firmware is named correct? (v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw)

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Tom7e:

i will check

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d3ity:

So, its been a few mins since i asked

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Tom7e:

yes, i do have the file v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw currently in the /lib/firmware/2.6.15-25–386/ folder

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d3ity:

Anyone want to help me with my mysql headaches? I can't get mythfilldatabase to....fill my database

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kormoc:

d3ity, errors?

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Tom7e:

does that file need execute permissions?

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d3ity:

kormoc, none. just the fact that mysql refuses to get my data.

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kormoc:

Tom7e, shoudln't

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d3ity:

Tom7e, shouldn't

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kormoc:

d3ity, what do you mean get your data?

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d3ity:

kormoc, channel listing data

[02:45:39]

ThreeE:

d3ity: MythTV does not work with MySQL 5.0 yet because one of the columns in the dd_schedule table is named "repeat" and MySQL 5.0 now uses "repeat" as a reserved word.

[02:45:42]

kormoc:

well... do you mean mythfilldatabase can't insert it? or mythfilldatabase can't download the data?

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ThreeE:

https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/mythtv/+bug/30593

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d3ity:

I mean, it's nice I have a guide in mythtv, It gives me such relevant info like what time "Unknown" is playing on "Adding Channel 324"

[02:46:06]

kormoc:

ThreeE, myth works with mysql 5 as of myth 0.19 or higher

[02:46:30]

kormoc:

d3ity, does mythfilldatabase load the data and mysql just fails to store it?

[02:47:22]

d3ity:

kormoc, mythfilldatabase gets the data, but either mysql breaks... or mythtv just doesn't see it. I believe its mysql

[02:48:02]

kormoc:

d3ity, does mythfilldatabase --verbose all give any more hints?

[02:48:33]

ThreeE:

d3ity, I got 0.18 running on dapper by using a package someone wrote to patch the "repeat" issue

[02:48:57]

d3ity:

ThreeE, I'm using mysql 5.0.2

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kormoc:

d3ity, what version of myth?

[02:49:07]

d3ity:

so. Has the issue been fixed in any mythtv version?

[02:49:11]

kormoc:

yes

[02:49:15]

kormoc:

mythtv 0.19 or higher

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** kormoc feels like a broken record **

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d3ity:

well knowing me I'm probably on the damn svn

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ThreeE:

d3ity — oh — ok, you are using 0.19. I'll just shut up now.... sorry... :)

[02:50:11]

d3ity:

yeah, i'm using the SVN version as of last week

[02:50:27]

kormoc:

it could be just broken in svn too...

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d3ity:

kormoc, what are you? an e17 user who is dismal about the CVS server even bieng up let alone have a single library compile cleanly?

[02:52:35]

kormoc:

no, but if everything else is working right, and you are using code that is considered unstable, there is the chance there is a bug...

[02:52:56]

kormoc:

given I'm using svn too, I'm not against it, but I hold no delusions that it's bug free

[02:53:30]

d3ity:

kormoc, i'm a machocist, I use e17

[02:53:43]

d3ity:

anyway...

[02:53:47]

d3ity:

back to fixing this

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d3ity:

what tables in mysql would the channel listings use, if not all of them?

[02:55:39]

d3ity:

and what might thier names be

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kormoc:

well, before you get to that, did you run the command I sudgested?

[02:56:25]

d3ity:

kormoc, i'm reinstalling a terminal with scrollback right now, xterm isn't cutting it

[02:56:30]

d3ity:

it just finished, so i'm running that command now

[02:56:36]

kormoc:

or just | less it

[02:57:10]

d3ity:

which -v option

[02:57:16]

kormoc:

-v all

[02:57:26]

kormoc:

to get everything it's doing

[02:57:43]

d3ity:

wow

[02:57:44]

d3ity:

yeah

[02:57:46]

d3ity:

thats alooooot

[02:58:40]

DrMitch:

any idea why i can't press F and change the contrast during playback? i checked the keybinding, and it's set to F. I have Xv controls turned off. but when I turn XV controls ON, i can VIEW the settings (all at 50%) but i can't CHANGE them

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d3ity:

kormoc, it's gonna be a little before this bad boy finishes

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d3ity:

hrm

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d3ity:

kormoc, i just looked in my videosource table in mysql

[03:07:23]

d3ity:

the only entry (my cable company) has everything set right..

[03:07:24]

d3ity:

but.

[03:07:39]

d3ity:

at the end is a column called useeit

[03:07:42]

d3ity:

that is set to 0

[03:07:45]

d3ity:

is that correct?

[03:08:58]

d3ity:

if not, how do i set that to be sane

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d3ity:

kormoc, this is entirley too long

[03:32:35]

d3ity:

firefox locks up when i try to copy paste this 140,000 line file.

[03:33:13]

d3ity:

anyway, my database hates me, heres what I have

[03:33:32]

d3ity:

mysql> select * from program;

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d3ity:

Empty set (0.03 sec)

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d3ity:

that I believe is a problem

[03:34:28]

d3ity:

could someone check if this is sane

[03:34:31]

d3ity:

http://rafb.net/paste/results/wuXTSr34.html

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d3ity:

anyone?

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d3ity:

anyone still alive out there?

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pmowry:

The command says pretty much the same thin on mine.

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kormoc:

d3ity, that seems sane

[03:45:03]

d3ity:

kormoc, what should I look at next?

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Anduin:

d3ity: What is your zip?

[03:46:23]

kormoc:

d3ity, really, the key will be in that huge ass -v all log you have

[03:46:54]

d3ity:

19072

[03:47:04]

d3ity:

kormoc, what am I looking for in said huge ass log

[03:47:43]

kormoc:

Well, first make sure there's a metric ass load of INSERT INTO lines

[03:47:57]

kormoc:

and see if there's any errors/warnings/etc on the lines right after the INSERT

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d3ity:

kormoc, metric assload of lines....check

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Anduin:

d3ity: So did you just throw away the :- at the end?

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d3ity:

Anduin, ?

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d3ity:

Anduin, my zip is 18072 anyway, sorry about that.

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pmowry:

at the end of the lineup id ?

[03:50:16]

d3ity:

theres a :- somewhere>

[03:50:17]

d3ity:

?

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pmowry:

I'm using direct tv so Mine says: DITV642:-

[03:50:49]

Anduin:

d3ity: cable or digital cable?

[03:51:00]

d3ity:

Anduin, cable, RCN, lehigh valley, non rebuild

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Anduin:

Exactly, the lineup id doesn't look good.

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d3ity:

Anduin, so I tak a :- on the end?

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Anduin:

d3ity: Remember the other day, when I told you to take the id from the xml file? You should take exactly what is there, or look at the web page for the lineup, the id is there as well.

[03:52:15]

d3ity:

Anduin, alright, how do I set that beast again?

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Anduin:

d3ity: update videosource set lineupid = 'PA37539:-';

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d3ity:

Anduin, done. now... we run mythfill again quick... and restart everything

[03:57:31]

Anduin:

d3ity: If you just look at the mythfilldatabase output a successful run is easy to spot.

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d3ity:

:)!

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d3ity:

I've got my listings back

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pmowry:

Just curious, what lead to manually setting things in the 1st place?

[03:58:32]

d3ity:

now...if mythfill could grab the names of my channels and an icon set

[03:59:17]

d3ity:

pmowry, I suspected my database since I had a few go "bad" on me.... basically tables getting corrupted somehow, probably due to one of the many recent power outages in my area

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d3ity:

I figured, mysql was busy updating my listing data, and boom, power failure right in the middle of it

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Dagmar:

d3ity: I begin to think we should start an area on the Wiki to collaborate on the care and feeding of mysql

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d3ity:

Dagmar, proper care and feeding of mysql is a good idea

[04:00:27]

Dagmar:

It seems abnormally hard just to try and keep the databases tidy

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Anduin:

Ohh, step 1, don't break it.

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d3ity:

Dagmar, perhaps some basic mythcentric mysql syntax help would be nice.

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d3ity:

Anduin, but what would we do with the gentoo users if we had that as step one?

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** kormoc frowns. **

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Dagmar:

Step 2, if you *did* break it, start praying.

[04:01:26]

pmowry:

ok, So far mine has survived fine through daily power outages from thunderstorms lately. I need to go get a UPS.

[04:01:46]

Dagmar:

I keep seeing guys come by who are like "OMG my databases are now >2Gb in size. WTF is happening..."

[04:01:56]

Dagmar:

...and I can see how it gets that big.

[04:01:59]

d3ity:

pmowry, yeah. they're nice. flooding tends to take care of my power outage needs

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Dagmar:

heh

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d3ity:

Dagmar, yeah, thats just...wow dude...you might as well just delete it and start over once you get to 2gb+

[04:02:47]

d3ity:

or, in today's world of terrabyte raid, just say, who cares and add another disk

[04:03:13]

d3ity:

anyway. now...an icon set.

[04:03:15]

Dagmar:

pmowry: Tennessee is really bad about lightning, but NES (the power company) is almsot as bad. They gave us a nice brownout while my box was fsck-checking /var from a brownout a few minutes before once, so I started buying UPSes

[04:03:34]

Dagmar:

Sure enough, about six months later, lightning strikes down the street and actually melted the wires in the wall going to my primary UPS.

[04:03:46]

evilbuny:

lol

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Anduin:

UPSs are now so cheap you have no excuse

[04:03:56]

Dagmar:

The first I know about it is 40 minutes later I hear the UPS downstairs weeping that it's about to have to shut down

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d3ity:

I'm in pennsylvania, right smack in the middle of northampton county.... We just got maaaaad rain. a "town" about 10 minutes away from my house was...well...underwater

[04:04:26]

d3ity:

anyway, now, I want icons

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Dagmar:

I've got those low-power fluorescent lamps, so I had them plugged into the UPSes next to the computers, so my lights didn't blink or anything.

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Dagmar:

This was fun gear to have when I moved to SF and they started those rolling brownouts. THat was hilarious.

[04:05:23]

d3ity:

haha

[04:05:43]

Dagmar:

My new friends thought I was a bit paranoid... and then I was the only person who wasn't acting like the sky was falling over a brownout.

[04:06:14]

d3ity:

haha

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Dagmar:

The little APC $35 jobbies for desktops are WELL worth it

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pmowry:

wow, my db is only 41Mb (according to phpMyAdmin). // I'm in an old house in New Iberia, LA. So I was just fine in between Katrina and Rita. But I'm spending the weekend at my Mom's house 14 miles west in Erath. Finally putting down the carpets. Had 3 ft of water from Hurricane Rita.

[04:06:28]

Dagmar:

ALl you need is about five minutes worth of power for most stuff

[04:06:33]

d3ity:

Dagmar, I want one, but other expenses have me sort of strapped for cash at the moment

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Dagmar:

d3ity: Maybe you could give plasma? (I know, it is kind of ghoulish to suggest that)

[04:07:18]

Dagmar:

I've been broke before.

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d3ity:

Dagmar, I'd love to

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d3ity:

Dagmar, unfortuantley, I'm not at college right now, and don't know where to locate a suitable donation site.

[04:07:51]

Dagmar:

Ah

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d3ity:

I'm on the corner of bumfuck, PA and You'vegotaprettymouth, NJ

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Dagmar:

lol

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pmowry:

=>

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Dagmar:

When there's something I want to buy that I know I probably shouldn't, I pay for it with plasma

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d3ity:

Dagmar, haha,

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Dagmar:

This keeps me from spending money on things which are truly stupid

[04:08:44]

d3ity:

how much do they give for plasma nowadays

[04:08:49]

Dagmar:

I have an irrational *loathing* of needles.

[04:09:04]

d3ity:

heh, my ex had that little phobia

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Dagmar:

Most places are $25 the first time, $15 thereafter with a bonus at the end of the month if you're a regular donor.

[04:09:19]

Dagmar:

It's not a phobia with me.

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TheUni:

i get a little line (like 5 pixels) at the top of my window. it's hard to describe, it's just fuzzy

[04:09:26]

Dagmar:

I don't fear needles. I *hate* them.

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TheUni:

any way to tell mythtv to ignore x pixels from the top?

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d3ity:

25 bucks for the first time...plasma...which makes you feel like ungodly ass for a day and a half afterwards... hell, i wish I was a chick, i'd sell an egg and go buy a sick amd64 machine

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Dagmar:

Well, um, there are places that do pay for the other thing, although it's like $50.

[04:10:35]

d3ity:

or enough in car electronics to make radar guns explode in the hand of the unlucky officer that tries to get me for speeding

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d3ity:

Dagmar, thats not in my area

[04:10:52]

d3ity:

if it was, I'd have a ferrari.

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Dagmar:

lol

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Dagmar:

They usually have an upper limit from a given donor.

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d3ity:

I knew a kid at college who had fake IDs just so he could go donate.

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pmowry:

TheUni: What do you mean by ignore? You can use offsets to adjust the size and location of the mythtv window

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TheUni:

pmowry: so i can just move it up 5 pixels, then?

[04:11:43]

TheUni:

it's just a bar going across the top

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TheUni:

that's always there

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d3ity:

they all said he was 20, not 21, because as he figured " I can always pay someone enough to get booze"

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TheUni:

little fuzzy

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Dagmar:

Yeah, me and some friends actually as a joke did a report on whether or not you could *actually* spank your way into a Ferrari.

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d3ity:

Dagmar, kifk

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Dagmar:

Maybe a used Yugo unless you're an exceptionally high achiever, in which case you could get maybe a new Geo.

[04:12:30]

d3ity:

that was supposed to be lofl, but apparently the home row eluded me on that run

[04:12:47]

d3ity:

Dagmar, new Geo's go for like what... 200 bucks

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TheUni:

pmowry: also, the playback looks like an interlaced avi. any way to make it look deinterlaced?

[04:13:01]

Dagmar:

Well, more like $6,000–8,000

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d3ity:

Dagmar, 200 bucks is about all i'd pay for one of those deathtraps

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d3ity:

TheUni, turn off interlacing?

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d3ity:

TheUni, check your filter settings

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TheUni:

heh

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TheUni:

d3ity: how do i do that?

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pmowry:

TheUni: Yes, My wife is watching something (Kyle XY I think) so I can't look right now. I believe there is also an interlace related checkbox under playback settings.

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d3ity:

TheUni, mythtv-setup has the option i believe, if its not there its in the frontend

[04:14:07]

d3ity:

not sure exactly where it was last time I attempted to screw with it

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Dagmar:

TheUni: There's actually a couple of ways to get rid of interlacing. Depending on your video card and what you're outputting to, you *might* be able to offload the work of dealing with that entirely to your video card

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TheUni:

Dagmar: 6600gt

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d3ity:

Dagmar, fx5200, shoot

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TheUni:

should be able to handle it.

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** d3ity is intrigued. **

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Dagmar:

Flicker filter to TV output in the newer drivers

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d3ity:

Dagmar, just screw with that? cool

[04:14:54]

Dagmar:

If the 6600 has an NV41 you might have a problem

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TheUni:

?

[04:15:04]

Dagmar:

The 5200 should be no problem

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d3ity:

Dagmar, :D

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Dagmar:

NV412 PCIe cards are missing video overlay support it seems

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Dagmar:

er NV41

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TheUni:

awesome

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TheUni:

how can i check?

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Dagmar:

d3ity: Poke around with nvidia-settings and you'll see the flicker-filter setting

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TheUni:

Dagmar: if i cant offload it, do i have other options? it's bothering me.

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Dagmar:

TheUni: Umm... lspci? Opening the box and looking in side? (Afaik, AGP versions are not NV41). Perhaps xvidinfo or xdpyinfo. Not sure about those

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d3ity:

Dagmar, word.

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d3ity:

anyway, guys, icon map

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d3ity:

can anyone help me get one going?

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TheUni:

Dagmar: it's PCIe

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Dagmar:

TheUni: There's two different ways to get MythTV to do it, one involves letting libmpeg2 deal with it and there's a checkbox in there somewhere to explicitly tell it how to deal with de-interlacing stuff

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Dagmar:

Since I've not had to change them from defaults myself I'm fuzzy on exactly where they hid those options

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Dagmar:

d3ity: What icon map?

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d3ity:

the one in my channel listings that gives me pretty icons in the guide

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TheUni:

mmm

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TheUni:

thanks, i'll look around

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Dagmar:

There was a script to run that downloads those and stuffs them into the db

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d3ity:

Dagmar, a quest?

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d3ity:

for the lost script of myth?

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Dagmar:

Actually, it's mentioned in the docs. Lemme see if I Can find that bbit

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d3ity:

:)

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Dagmar:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-9.html#ss9.5

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Dagmar:

The script is stuffed into the xmltv package

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Dagmar:

There's a lot of stuff in that documentation that doesn't apply to everyone, but I was able to get mythtv up and running the very first time I tried it by going through that thing a section at a time.

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Dagmar:

. o O ( need a smoke )

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d3ity:

that perl script appears to work, but doesn't give me icons

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d3ity:

Dagmar, heh, got one right here.

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d3ity:

whatever, I can live without cool shiny icons

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TheUni:

any way mythtv can help me get channels i dont subscribe to?

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kormoc:

TheUni, no, and even if it did, we don't talk about illegal things in here

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TheUni:

k. just thought i'd ask :)

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LoneShadow:

my backend keeps losing connection the db

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LoneShadow:

I have to keep restarting the the backend every 12 hours or so

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kormoc:

LoneShadow, didn't you ask this the other day, and didn't it turn out that the backend was the issue, and not the db?

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LoneShadow:

hmm

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xris:

LoneShadow: what version of mysql?

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LoneShadow:

not sure

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LoneShadow:

I asked about this problem few days ago

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xris:

LoneShadow: mysql --version

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LoneShadow:

Greyfoxx told me to restart the backend, and it fixed the problem

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LoneShadow:

mysql Ver 14.12 Distrib 5.0.22, for pc-linux-gnu (i486) using readline 5.1

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DrMitch:

does mythgame allow for game genie?

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LoneShadow:

but I have to keep restarting backend every now and then

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Cardoe:

LoneShadow: using 0.19-fixes?

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DrMitch:

or cheats

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LoneShadow:

nope

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xris:

DrMitch: it's just mame, so whatever that supports.

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LoneShadow:

just 0.19

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DrMitch:

oh, i thought it was nintendo too

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xris:

DrMitch: doesn't mame support nintendo?

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kormoc:

didn't think so

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** xris doesn't know anything about mythgame **

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xris:

it's a wrapper for all of those various emulators...

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kormoc:

mame stands for Multiple Arcade Machine Emulator

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kormoc:

I think it really only does Arcade Machines

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xris:

kormoc: thought there was a plugin or something that let it do console games, too.

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xris:

dunno

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** kormoc shrugs **

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LoneShadow:

Cardoe: do I need 0.19-fixes ?

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Cardoe:

yes

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xris:

LoneShadow: what Cardoe said...

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GreyFoxx:

Mythgame is a generic frontend to any emulator for any gametype

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GreyFoxx:

doesn't have to be mame

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GreyFoxx:

mame, snens, n64, nes, amiga, tg16, etc etc. IF there is an emulator you can call from a commandline it can handle it

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Cardoe:

i need a good p2p network

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xris:

Cardoe: like bittorrent for linux iso's? (because if it's something else, don't talk about it here)

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Cardoe:

whatever

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LoneShadow:

Cardoe/xris: whats the best way to patch the fixes ?

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LoneShadow:

is there patch file or I have to use svn ?

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Cardoe:

LoneShadow: svn

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Aid`:

does anyone in here do FTA?

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Cardoe:

or use your distro's packages if they make one

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xris:

LoneShadow: you can make a patch via svn, but using svn itself is easier.. or using packages is even easier.

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LoneShadow:

aah found it http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/, thanks :)

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xris:

Aid`: I will as soon as I stop buying ipods instead of a dish

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GreyFoxx:

Just be sure you grab the fixes branch ifthat'sall you want

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Aid`:

cool, xris big dish or little?

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xris:

Aid`: probably little, knowing my wife. heh

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xris:

I actually have a dish already (used to subscribe to dishnetwork), but I'm pretty sure it won't fit the lnb's I need.

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Aid`:

ahh :P thats too bad

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xris:

yeah. $30 shipping.

[04:50:58]

Aid`:

yeah dish network's dish is too small

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Aid`:

I am looking into it too, a small dish that is

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Aid`:

I can get one free but the shipping is killer

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xris:

Aid`: dish is fine. it's the arm that's the problem. won't screw into the lnb

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LoneShadow:

hmm, so I cant update my mythtv-0.19 sources folder using svn ?

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Aid`:

xris: not from what I heard the dish is too small

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xris:

"small dish" is 18" dish, same that dishnetwork uses

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LoneShadow:

got the sources from tar.gz file

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xris:

there are 4 sizes.. 18" (dual lnb), 18" eliptical (4 lnb), 75cm and 2m

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Aid`:

well then switch the circular lnb for a linear lnb

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GreyFoxx:

LoneShadow: No, you can't. you will needto checkout the 0.19-fixes branch (assuming it's what you are installing)

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LoneShadow:

yea

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xris:

LoneShadow: svn checkout is the same as what's inside the tarball, but more up to date

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LoneShadow:

was hoping to reduce my compile time, should have started with svn :D

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Aid`:

xris: are you getting a SAT card or just using it to watch tv for the fam?

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xris:

LoneShadow: huh?

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LoneShadow:

yea but if I had started with svn, all I have to do is "svn up"

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LoneShadow:

no ?

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xris:

Aid`: I have a dvb-s card already.. would be just for playing with. I have digital cable (firewire) for normal viewing.

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xris:

LoneShadow: no, you'd still have to `make distclean` and recompile

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Aid`:

I dont think zap2it supports FTA satellite does it?

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xris:

Aid`: no

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LoneShadow:

hmm, normally we use source control to update local sources to particular branch

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Aid`:

so there aren't any ways to get the guide into mythtv db then?

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LoneShadow:

that way only few files will be updated, and build time will be minimal

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xris:

Aid`: EIT — embedded in the signal.

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xris:

LoneShadow: yes.. but you want ccache, it's MUCH MUCH more accurate

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xris:

if you don't start with a clean tree, mythtv might skip compiling a file that the source file updated for.

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LoneShadow:

Makefiles should take care of changed files :D

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Aid`:

yeah its in the signal but i dont see how that can help schedule things

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xris:

LoneShadow: should, but they don't always.

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xris:

Aid`: the *schedule* is in the signal... 2–3 days worth, usually

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LoneShadow:

well I am in the development team, so cant complain much :D

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LoneShadow:

err

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LoneShadow:

I mean, I am not*

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d3ity:

eeeek

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xris:

LoneShadow: install ccache. it does exactly what you're talking about, but tracks dependencies better than make seems to.

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d3ity:

problem

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LoneShadow:

ok

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d3ity:

my channel listings are....wrong

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xris:

LoneShadow: plus, it isn't affected by stuff like distclean.

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d3ity:

some channels are right

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d3ity:

but others are off

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LoneShadow:

ok

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d3ity:

completley

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xris:

d3ity: zap2it?

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d3ity:

xris, yep

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xris:

d3ity: what's wrong with it?

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d3ity:

xris, stupid cmos battery

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d3ity:

xris, it's 1:03 am, my system says its 1:36 AM

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xris:

d3ity: time to install ntp. :)

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d3ity:

but...shouldn't it be losing time if the battery is dead?

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d3ity:

xris, I've got ntp, but I don't have it cron'ed

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xris:

huh? ntp is a daemon. runs all the time keeping the system in sync

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kormoc:

ntp isn't a cron service

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kormoc:

ntpd

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DrMitch:

ntpdate

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qfx:

Hello hello

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qfx:

How's myth tonight?

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xris:

DrMitch: yes. but ntpd is a better solution

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DrMitch:

why? if you have ntpdate then it's not running all the time – aka more RAM freed

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tank-man:

i run ntpdate before starting ntpd at bootup

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d3ity:

kormoc, hrumph

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d3ity:

kormoc, i usually have to run ntpdate time.nist.gov by hand and whatnot

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DrMitch:

d3ity, cron it

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kormoc:

d3ity, you likely don't have nptd starting on boot

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kormoc:

d3ity, but ntpd is the proper way to do it, as it will correctly deal with drifts and all that jazz, ntpdate won't

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d3ity:

kormoc, cool. now to figure out where ntpd is on slackware and turn this puppy on

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d3ity:

once of course, I get this compile done

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Dagmar:

hahah

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d3ity:

god knows linux boxes suck for time travel.

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Dagmar:

You basically get to roll your own.

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d3ity:

i'm updating e17 from cvs

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d3ity:

so... "time" is of the essence.

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Dagmar:

At least it comes with ntp-4.2.0 which has ntpdate

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Dagmar:

I still use netdate most of the time tho

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xris:

Dagmar: I use rdate when I absolutely must.

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Dagmar:

The NTPd docs *really* need to explain in plain English what all the bloody terms for changing the time around mean.

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xris:

ntp is a huge convoluted mess.

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Dagmar:

Well, it *does* do a particularly complex job.

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DrMitch:

it can keep better time than I can too

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Dagmar:

...but still the docs are rather opaque with respect to explaining just *how* it changes the clock.

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d3ity:

Dagmar, I guess they figure if you really care you'll read the source

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xris:

Dagmar: setting up a server is a pita, too

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Dagmar:

Yeah, I've tried to just make a "drop in and go" package 2–3 times now. I keep gettins stuck where it comes to defining exactly *how* the click is updated

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Dagmar:

You defiitely don't want the time jumping around while mysql is running.

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bobbyz:

has anyone here either written a nuvexport module or a user command for mythtv that transcodes recordings to h264 with x264?

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bobbyz:

nm, guess I should look into the ipod stuff

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sha_:

errm..i don't get where to setup the soundcard..?!

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DrMitch:

sha_, what sound system you using?

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sha_:

DrMitch: i've got an external usb-soundcard which is working fine with esd

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xris:

bobbyz: couldn't get audio sync to work properly with h264 encodes in ffmpeg, so the ipod exporter only does mpeg4

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sha_:

DrMitch: i can watch videos and dvd's with -ao esd or -ao alsa:device=hw:0.1 parameter for mplayer .. but where to setup these things for tv?

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bobbyz:

xris: drats :) I

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bobbyz:

I

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bobbyz:

sprry

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bobbyz:

sorry bad keyboard

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xris:

bobbyz: mpeg4 stuff works fine, though...

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bobbyz:

I'll have to look into it then...I love x264. Such great quality for the size :)

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xris:

haven't tried with x264, only with ffmpeg.

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b^j:

i just installed mythtv for the first time and am having a problem where it plays for a second or two when i start myth but then it freezes and eventually bombs out with a lot of error messages like "prebuffer wait timed out" any ideas?

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bobbyz:

ehh...should be pretty much the same...ffmpeg just uses the x264 libs anyway

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bobbyz:

I've encoded good x264 myth files manually before, but I'm trying to find a way to do it automatically

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xris:

feel free to poke at it. would be a nie addition

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xris:

nice, even

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bobbyz:

xris: you're the author of nuvexport?

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xris:

yes

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xris:

don't actually have access to a video-capable ipod (though I'm getting one soon), so it hasn't been much of a priority

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bobbyz:

xris: I'll send you what I have if I end up writing a nuvexport module. Problem is I can only barely understand perl =/ I'm a big python guy

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bobbyz:

heh, well I don't even own an ipod. I just like h264 for its quality

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bobbyz:

I started to write a python solution, but I hate to reinvent the wheel

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xris:

heh

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b^j:

any ideas about my prebuffer problem?

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xris:

b^j: distro, version, tv card, etc?

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b^j:

xris, ubuntu, hauppage wintv-pvr150

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b^j:

xris, it playes through mplayer fine

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b^j:

xris, looks like version 0.18.1–5

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xris:

b^j: might want to update to .19.x

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b^j:

hmm, i guess i can try, i was hoping to use packages

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xris:

can't find the url.. it was posted to the mailing list yesterday, though

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DrMitch:

does anyone actually use mythnews or mythbrowser ?

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xris:

someone must

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Dagmar:

I tried to use MythNews, but it's got the same problem most RSS readers do.

[05:48:43]

Dagmar:

...that the RSS feed isn't actually *useful* to read.

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xris:

pretty much

[05:48:56]

Dagmar:

You get the name of the article and a brief summary and that's *all*

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xris:

b^j: hmm, or maybe that was for debian...

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sha_:

Dagmar: but when you're selecting the article mythbrowser comes up with the full article

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b^j:

xris, they are effectively the same

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Dagmar:

Yeah, but if you don't have mythbrowser, MythNews is fairly useless

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b^j:

xris, don't see it on the mythtv-users list

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sha_:

yep

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xris:

b^j: http://www.debian-multimedia.org/

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b^j:

xris, dang, to many dependency problems to use those packages

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b^j:

xris, time to try sources i guess

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ThreeE:

so is there anyway to get mythtv play nice with other apps using the sound system?

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xris:

b^j: yeah, I suspected that. too much weirdness with debian vs ubuntu versions

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xris:

ThreeE: huh?

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kormoc:

ThreeE, yes, use a sound card that supports hardware mixing, or setup alsa's dmix

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b^j:

i loath qt

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xris:

b^j: so do many people...

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xris:

but apparently not isaac.

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b^j:

if we were meant to use qt debian would come with it by default <G>

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xris:

heh

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Dagmar:

hehe

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mishehu:

hmm has anybody been using a plextor convertx mpeg4/divx encoder? I'm curious to get some feedback on it, as it is still somewhat pricey...

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xris:

mishehu: imho not worth the price

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xris:

analog signal kills any advantage mpeg4 has over mpeg2

[07:11:38]

mishehu:

well, except for filesize no?

[07:13:09]

mishehu:

and I gather it's not possible to pipe files thru it, it only can do encoding off of its inputs...

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xris:

my guess is that's how it works

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mishehu:

xris: I record most everything at standard quality on my pvr250, and what I save I strip out commercials and transcode it to divx. usually ends up 1/6 to 1/4 the size of the editted mpeg2.

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xris:

filesize, maybe... but keep in mind that the digital source at the cable co isn't all that hot.. rarely more than 900M per half hour and 520x480 (or 328x480 for some channels)

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mishehu:

not usually much loss on quality either.

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xris:

imho there are better things to spend money on.

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mishehu:

I'll wait then until the price comes down lower

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mishehu:

heh

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mishehu:

I'm still pissed off about the whole firewire issue with cumcast

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mishehu:

that already costs me $70/mo

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Dagmar:

Eh?

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Dagmar:

You told them you wanted firewire and they told you you have to get iDig or something?

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mishehu:

Dagmar: what's iDig?

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mishehu:

I got one of those motorola 6200 stb's here. I get signal off of firewire *only* on the OTA channels. they won't let me get even lower rezed versions of the channels I subscribe to (which are all non-premium)

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xris:

mishehu: ???

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xris:

mishehu: unfortunately, that's all they're required to provide

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mishehu:

xris: I know, but I still think it's pathetic.

[07:24:08]

xris:

it is

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Dagmar:

huhwot?

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mishehu:

kinda like that article about abc today on /.

[07:24:36]

mishehu:

anyway, I must get to sleep

[07:24:53]

mishehu:

I'll catch you guys around.

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Dagmar:

Ach nevermind

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Dagmar:

I thought he was saying he coulnd' get his over-the-air stations over firewire or something

[07:31:20]

Dagmar:

Personally, I say hack the damn box

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xris:

yeah, that'd get him a nice set of fines...

[07:34:51]

xris:

pretty sure they can control those boxes remotely.. would just send a signal to turn everything back off again.

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Dagmar:

If the cable company had anyone competent enough to figure it out

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Dagmar:

Since it's legal to record for your own use, if that's all he was doing if he owns the box I'd say screw what they want

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xris:

box is rented

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Dagmar:

Stuff like this is why I purchased my own cablemodem.

[07:36:01]

xris:

that box is like $600

[07:36:06]

xris:

or more

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xris:

dvr version is around $1000

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Dagmar:

I'm a little confused

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Dagmar:

This is #Mythtv-users.

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xris:

and then you'd have to convince them to rent you a smartcard to go in your box so you could receive signal

[07:36:43]

Dagmar:

Why would people in here want a dvr version? Heh

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xris:

um, two tuners?

[07:36:59]

xris:

but it was mostly just a price point comparison

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libolt:

heh we used to have a blackbox 12–13 years ago that got all the channels

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Dagmar:

I thought we'd established that most of the people who use MythTV are DIY to the point of masochism,

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xris:

Dagmar: within the realm of the law, sure

[07:39:08]

Dagmar:

Hjmm... to follow that to it's conclusion, no I didn't buy my own cablemodem so I could uncap it or something equally silly.

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Dagmar:

I got it so I could legally keep them from using it to sniff or otherwise dork with my local network segment

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xris:

cable modem != cable tv receiver

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Dagmar:

That would explain why I get such a lousy picture with mine then.

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xris:

pretty sure you can't uncap cable modem service anymore, either. they cut you off the instant their automated systems detect it.

[07:40:27]

Dagmar:

You overestimate the skill level of many franchises.

[07:40:39]

Dagmar:

...as well as the thoroughness of their deployment.

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xris:

"install new anti-uncapping router" is not hard towk.

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Dagmar:

All that happens here is that the top ten bandwidth users each month get "looked at" and if they're just crazily overdoing it, they get a warning to straighten up

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xris:

as for sniffing, trust me, they can do that no matter what router you have. just ask kormoc about how they monitor all ftp traffic.

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Dagmar:

They get cut off if they're still on the list next month.

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xris:

Dagmar: actually, they have tftp detectors. if your modem hasn't talked to their server in X amount of time, they shut you off.

[07:42:09]

xris:

anyway, back to the point about cable tv boxes, not modems.. totally different picture.

[07:42:17]

Dagmar:

Yes, I can also pull that same image and look at it myself acutally.

[07:42:31]

Dagmar:

If they decide to change parameters significantly, I'm going to notice

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kormoc:

Aye, they sniff ftp traffic for specific keywords. I received a DMCA notice about downloading a file from a private ftp server, due to their traffic montioring software.

[07:42:50]

Dagmar:

I know about the echelon-type stuff.

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Dagmar:

I was specifically referring to my *local* network segment.

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Dagmar:

That which is within my home is mine and is going to stay mine unless someone shows up with a warrant.

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xris:

Dagmar: a good firewall would get around that... and if you're not running a firewall, you have other issues.

[07:43:30]

Dagmar:

I figure it's only fair that if I stay out of their networks, they stay out of mine.

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Dagmar:

xris: I've had a firewall for about a decade now, but thanks.

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xris:

Dagmar: your argument seems to indicate that if you rented your cable modem instead of owned it, they could see through your firewall.... just wanted to point out the hole in the argument.

[07:44:41]

Dagmar:

No, that's a deduction you made.

[07:44:58]

Dagmar:

I dont' want them even being able to *look* and see if I have a firewall.

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Dagmar:

I am not interested in assuming people will do silly things like respect my rights and/or get warrants before violating my privacy.

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Dagmar:

So I take steps to ensure that regulatory barriers are supported by technological barriers.

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xris:

Dagmar: no matter who owns the cable modem, they still have the same control

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Dagmar:

But doing so would be a violation of the law.

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kormoc:

And uhh, I'm wondering, if you don't want them to know you have a firewall, how would you pervent them from hitting your firewall without using a firewall?

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xris:

Dagmar: how so? have you actually READ the TOS? they can do anything they want with stuff connected to their network.

[07:47:30]

Dagmar:

Yes, I have read it.

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Dagmar:

Look, I'm not some paranoid kid.

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xris:

and they can tell all KINDS of things about your network just by watching the packets coming out of it.

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Dagmar:

Three times I've had various "authorities" breathing down my neck trying to pin something on me.

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Dagmar:

My only crime is knowing how to do things, not actually going and doing them.

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xris:

(like how many computers you're using, etc)

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Dagmar:

All three freaking times, all sorts of regulations and in some cases _laws_ were run roughshod over to "get" me at all costs.

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xris:

Dagmar: maybe you should pick better examples, since everything you've come up with so far doesn't make sense.

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Dagmar:

So now I make damn sure that anyone wanting to go violating my rights has to break laws to do so.

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Dagmar:

...IF it's still even possible for them.

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xris:

Dagmar: I have a friend who spent 2 years in federal prison because of stuff like that (copyright infringement, conspiracies, etc). took him that long to get acquitted.

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Dagmar:

xris: If they'd had some advance warning that something was going down and someone was trying to frame them, they might have stood a better chance.

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xris:

Dagmar: no, it wouldn't.. he had shitty lawyers who ended up helping the fbi's case against him.

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Dagmar:

Geez

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xris:

they kept him in prison long enough for the statute of limitations to pass on suing for malpractice, false arrest, etc.

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xris:

his acquittal came from defending himself (you can learn a lot about the law in 2 years in a prison library)

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Dagmar:

There's no reason he couldn't have pursued those charges before the deadlines

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Dagmar:

Definitely crappy lawyers.

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xris:

Dagmar: believe me, he tried.

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xris:

mind you, he was not going out of his way to be inconspicuous... he was silk screening computer chips with identifiers that looked *very* similar to name brand things (this is back in the mid 80's), and it wasn't hard for apple and the fbi to convince non-techie judges that he was counterfeiting stuff.

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Dagmar:

Dude that sounds to me like he *was* counterfiting stuff.

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xris:

he wasn't

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Dagmar:

Unless the whole point was a spoof, he was beyond the pale on that one

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xris:

he was just walking a very narrow legal line and got bullied for it by the big guys

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Dagmar:

If the idea is that people might mistake these images for the "real" thing, then he was actually counterfieting.

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xris:

Dagmar: we're talking computer chips here. in the 80's when the "pc" was an apple ii built by hobyists. he was not marketing them as counterfeits or anything like that. he would not have been acquitted if he was doing anything illegal

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Dagmar:

I've got about a half dozen "red boxes" that I made successively smaller and smaller as an excercise in just how small I could make them.

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xris:

he's an underhanded guy, but not THAT underhanded.

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Dagmar:

Someone could probably take a dim view of it and decide those are illegal devices, but their construction was not for breaking the law, they've never been used for that, and those are the things that would have to be proven for me to be successfully prosecuted.

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xris:

anyway, back to the original point, owning your tv receiver box offers no guarantee that the tv network will let you plug it into their wires. and even if you do, plugging it in would likely be done with the consideration that they would have to be able to get in and enable/disable features (like ppv, premium channels, etc) so you don't get anything you don't pay for. just like cable modems.

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Dagmar:

That's right. It doesn't. They still get to decide whether or not you can use their service.

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Dagmar:

...but if you own the equipment, and there's soemthing you don't like about it, and the TOS doesn't say you can't, if it's not otherwise illegal in some way, you can do whatever the hell you want with it

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xris:

and though most install/support techs for the cable cos are know-nothing types, most of the network techs I've dealt with are pretty smart people (you often get sent straight to them when you subscribe to a business-class service)

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Dagmar:

...all they can do if they decide they don't like it is cancel your service.

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xris:

Dagmar: exactly

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Dagmar:

But there's a whole host of things you could actually be charged for and/or sued over if you were to tamper with _their_ equipment.

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xris:

yes

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xris:

hmm, wow.. looks like you can get a motorola dtc 6200 on ebay for under $200

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xris:

er, dct

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Dagmar:

It's generally harder to sort out what's legal to do and what isn't than it is to handle the technical aspects of these things.

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** xris ponders calling comcast to ask if a self-owned box would work **

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Dagmar:

The box is making a decision based on flags broadcast over the wire pertaining to the nature of the channel.

[08:05:43]

Dagmar:

Not the smart card.

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Dagmar:

In this market, if you get the channel, you get it over firewire, thankfully.

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xris:

but that's not entirely true

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xris:

as mishehu clearly shows... along with my one weird lack of vh1 over firewire

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Dagmar:

Your provider is handling things differently than they do here, apparently

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kormoc:

here being?

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Dagmar:

South-eastern US

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kormoc:

Provider being?

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Dagmar:

Comcast

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kormoc:

Seems strange that comcast would be different

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Dagmar:

They francise.

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kormoc:

only with certain things, the main offices control all the content programming and all that jazz

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Dagmar:

It used to be Intermedia, and then they got bought

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xris:

comcast here, and same with mishehu

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xris:

kormoc: that much doesn't surprise me, actually

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xris:

I knew that it was regional. NY comcast customers can't even GET firewire yet...

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Dagmar:

But each little market basically gets to decide which channels go on which freqs, how much bandwidth to allocate, etc

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xris:

kormoc: you saw that when you tried to get digital at your old appt... outside of seattle was a different lineup, etc.

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xris:

thankfully they consolidated that a few months back.

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kormoc:

true

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Dagmar:

So just think... if you wanted to move to the middle of podunk nowhere, you could get all your cables over firewire.

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Dagmar:

s/cables/channels/;

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Dagmar:

I figure eventually they're going to realize that it's not really benefiting them to do this foolishness for anything but the premium channels and they'll stop bothering in all the markets

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xris:

Dagmar: assuming that you can get digital service in podunk. heck, it wasn't until 6 months or so ago that seattle went all-digital.

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xris:

and fyi, I get hbo over firewire.

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xris:

but considering that mythtv is the only dvr I know of that can actually interface with the firewire connection, it may be awhile before people are even aware that the firewire ports can be recorded from.

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xris:

I think one of the windows-based ones was *just* getting around to adding experimental firewire support

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mchou:

xris: huh?

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xris:

mchou: ?

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Dagmar:

...and then it's going to probably be affected by whether or not criminal asshats start selling software explicitly for recording things for rebroadcast

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mchou:

xris: tivo does firewire

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xris:

does it?

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mchou:

xris: HDTivo, yes

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Dagmar:

That's almost an aberration considering that TiVo seems to be taking most of their design decisions from lawyers.

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xris:

last I heard, the hdtivo only did ota/qam

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mchou:

xris: nope

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xris:

cool for them, then.. and good to know.

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Dagmar:

It's probably a safe bet that ReplayTV's "PC Edition" will support it

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Dagmar:

They got sued and forced to remove their commercial skip button from the firmware of the units as they ship.

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Dagmar:

Lame wording in the agreement. As soon as you plug the thing into a network and get the first update, it installs a "30 second skip" feature on the same button.

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Dagmar:

They don't _ship_ with the ability.

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xris:

mchou: um, where do you GET an hd tivo?

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mchou:

xris: CC sells them, I think

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xris:

tivo.com doesn't even list them as a valid product

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xris:

I see lots of sites talking about people owning them, but nowhere to buy one.

[08:23:54]

mchou:

xris: lol. my neighbor has one

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Dagmar:

Lawyers probably made them drop it from the lineup or something equally stupid.

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mchou:

Dagmar: nope. They just cost $1K or thereabouts

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Dagmar:

For awhiel there I thought the boxes were going to start showing downloaded commercials when you try to skip over the recorded ones, but someone finally put their foot down about that

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xris:

only ones I see are for directv

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Dagmar:

http://www.controlav.com/hdtivo.asp seems to indicate otherwise

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xris:

Dagmar: yup, that's the only one I can find info about, too.

[08:30:54]

Dagmar:

Have they got a way to export the videos off the things now?

[08:31:37]

Dagmar:

One of the reasons I was always a fan of ReplayTV is that you can network multiple ReplayTV boxes to record and/or play to/from each other and the company simply does not care

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xris:

tivo has that "share" thing.. no clue how it works, though

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mchou:

good thing I didnt join that company

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Dagmar:

No having to mess with cracking it open and replacing disks to increase storage. You just put a box with a Tb RAID on your network, run a java app on it, and tell the Replay box to record to it from then on

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xris:

looks like there are a couple of mac/windows programs for extracting HD streams, but no full-fledged dvr support has been published about it.

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Dagmar:

xris: afaik it only shares to other TiVo boxes that have been electronically associated with your same account

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xris:

Dagmar: that would make sense

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xris:

and I think there was a limit of like 5 total.

[08:33:20]

Dagmar:

That was the work of lawyers.

[08:33:37]

Dagmar:

It's a lot simpler without that mess

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xris:

yes

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Dagmar:

It's not like someone's going to set their TiVo up on the cablemodem for people to download from

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Dagmar:

...and the things are typically so CPU-underpowered that they can just about manage to send the video at twice playback speed

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mchou:

Dagmar: huh??

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Dagmar:

The way TiVo's recording sharing is gimped is just stupid.

[08:36:52]

Dagmar:

It "works" yes, but it's not needed.

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mchou:

Dagmar: you always rant on Friday/Saturday?

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Dagmar:

It's in there in that annoying way because TiVo kept getting sued, over and over by various firms trying to shut them down

[08:38:06]

Dagmar:

Well, I've got a lot of caffiene in me

[08:39:06]

Dagmar:

...and it *really* gets on my nerves when perfectly good technology gets all screwed up by bureaucracy.

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mchou:

Dagmar: nobody is forcing you to buy a tivo

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mchou:

Dagmar: there are still alternatives like myth

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Dagmar:

Yeah, that's why I got a Replay

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Dagmar:

...and that's why I'm using myth

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mchou:

Dagmar: Replay is virtually defunct

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Dagmar:

Yep

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Dagmar:

That never-ending parade of lawsuits

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mchou:

In tReplay's case they got nobody execept themselves to blame

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Dagmar:

I don't see it that way

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mchou:

their SW sucked

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Dagmar:

The main reason TiVo is still around is that they essentially sold large parts of themselves to the people suing them.

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Dagmar:

You might as well just go ahead and give controlling interest in your new-technology company the mafia don down the street, imho, morally speaking

[08:43:14]

Dagmar:

I never really had any major problems with the software on the Replay

[08:43:39]

Dagmar:

DVarchive was a huge boon

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mchou:

sometimes I dont understand HBO.....

[08:44:09]

mchou:

what's the point to "Lucky Kouie?"

[08:44:17]

mchou:

Louie*

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Dagmar:

It wasn't as pushy (well, it didn't bother) about finding programs for you to watch that you didn't know were on, but as a DVR it did it's job quite well enough

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Dagmar:

Personally, I think if you partly invent and develop a new technology, you should be allowed to stay in a position of control over it, which is what I have against what went down with TiVo.

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mchou:

"Lucky Louie" is like "Everybody Loves Raymond" with some frontal nudity.

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Dagmar:

Sounds like an improvement to me

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mchou:

Sad thing is ELR is funnier than LL

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Dagmar:

There's lots of comedy shows on

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Dagmar:

Very few things with ample frontal nudity.

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Dagmar:

;)

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mchou:

Dagmar: I dont wanna watch male frontral nudity

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Dagmar:

Euw. Okay. Nevermind then

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xris:

w00t. new advanced search in mythweb actually works. :)

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sezuan:

Hi!

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sezuan:

mythtv runs fine with rtjpeg, but when I switch all v4l encoders to mpeg4 it still falls back to rtjpeg. (http://phpfi.com/128952). This happens after the message 'Unknown video codec'. Any ideas how I can solve this?

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alsoconfused:

sezuan: the stuff you pasted says "unknown AUDIO codec"

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sezuan:

alsoconfused: yes, both.

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sezuan:

but 'Unknown video codec' is the line before mythtv switch to RTjpeg.

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redness:

hi peoples, i was wondering if someone could help me with a problem im having

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redness:

basically, the device files for my dvb card arenot being created

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redness:

but everything appears fine in dmesg and the like

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** sezuan tries to a buy new dvb-c card, but finds no shop :-| **

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Juski:

redness... you're not seeing /dev/dvb being created?

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redness:

Juski: bingo

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redness:

it was working before, but i haven't used it in a while, and cant remember if i changed anything that would stop it working

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Juski:

probably an issue with a udev rule – not something I know much about

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redness:

my udev rules are correct as far as i know

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redness:

plus, it was working before i used udev, i only tried that once it broke

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Juski:

did you by any chance upgrade your kernel?

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redness:

i didn't think so, but i definately kept support for dvb if it did

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redness:

and its recognised in dmesg etc

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hashbang:

redness: you could always bodge it by creating device nodes/symlinks in /etc/udev/devices

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redness:

hashbang: how would i go about doing that?

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hashbang:

redness: er, just create them as normal using mknod, mkdir, ln etc.

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redness:

sry, how do i use mknod?

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hashbang:

redness: there's a man page that explains better than I can in 1 line.

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redness:

good point ;)

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D-side:

you probably shouldnt. try makedev instead.

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hashbang:

D-side: makedev just uses mknod

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hashbang:

D-side: and may not be on redness' system anyway

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D-side:

hashbang: of course it does.

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D-side:

but it doesnt require him to know anything other than the dev name.

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D-side:

which is whole lot easier than someone trying to figure out mknod.

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redness:

D-side: ill have a look

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hashbang:

redness: linux/Documentation/devices.txt gives you all the major/minor numbers

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redness:

sadly, it doesnt exist on my system :(

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D-side:

hm.

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redness:

hashbang: k

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D-side:

i was going to argue the "might not be on $his system anyway" point, but i wonder.

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D-side:

with udev systems...

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redness:

well as i said, i only started using udev to try and resolv the issue

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D-side:

oh i don't care about that. hell, i didnt even READ that.

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redness:

im not sure what it was using before that however...possibly staticor something

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D-side:

devfs perhaps? shrug.

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redness:

looks like creating the devices produces my first error: cat: /dev/dvb0.frontend0: No such device or address

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hashbang:

redness: assuming the major/minors are correct, that indicates that you don't have the right driver/module loaded.

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hashbang:

(if any)

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redness:

i do have drivers load though...

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redness:

ill give you a dmesg,lsmod pastebin

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redness:

http://pastebin.ca/82398

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redness:

any thoughts?

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hashbang:

redness: shouldn't dvb_bt8xx be loaded also?

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** hashbang has CX88-based DVB-T cards, though. **

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hashbang:

aka 'blackbird'

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Juski:

mine are all cx88-dvb

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redness:

possibly, i was just digging through my logs, and sp887x is missing also...

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redness:

and there we go!

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redness:

now...why the hell did that not load at boot...

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Juski:

because it wasn't in modules.autoload.whatever ?;-)

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redness:

ok, then why *did* it load before? :P

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redness:

meh, dont care, thanks heap you guys :)

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Juski:

dunno.. did you previously use hotplug?

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redness:

yes

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redness:

i think so

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Juski:

might be it then

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redness:

do i have to tell those to load at boot all the time now?

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cory:

i have a pvr-150 but it doesnt have a remote. what's the easiest way to get a remote working for me? can i just buy a separate IR receiver?

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janneg:

cory: yes, http://lirc.org/receivers.html

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janneg:

but others will also do

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TehUni:

ok, thanks

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FunkyELF:

anyone here have a SA2500 ?

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FunkyELF:

i mean SA3250

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Juski:

hey Coume. how's it going?

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xoholic:

how do i change channel in mythtv ?

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Juski:

I got case badges :)

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Juski:

xoholic: have you tried reading the FM?

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Coume:

hiya Juski , not too bad... just been fixing a bit more the Punto now, it's time to continue the frontend :) I have some problem with the wireless card... and you, how are you?

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Coume:

how are the case badges looking?

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Juski:

am great thanks. just got over a nasty cold. got some painting to do tomorrow... re-spraying the s100 front panels

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Juski:

Coume: see http://www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/images/badges.png&nb sp;;)

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Coume:

Juski, my frontend is working nicely. tv, music and video

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Coume:

what did you install on the s100 frontend? I might still add weather... but I don't use the rest :)

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Juski:

ermm.. mythvideo, mythmusic, mythweather... I can add mythgame if I can figure out what the hell to do with xmame

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Coume:

so we will have 1 backend, 1 s100 frontend and 1 pundit frontend, am I correct?

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Juski:

and an xbox

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Coume:

oh yeah forgot this one :)

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Coume:

how many screen are you able to bring? cos' I don't have any around :/ I might be able to get a 15" screen

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Juski:

Coume: we'll have to agree a scheme for the nfs shares & ip addressing... all my machines are on the 192.168.1.x subnet and the directory /myth contains videos & music ;-)

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nasa:

Ok, lirc/myth question. When watching inputs coming in via irw, I notice I get multiple responses from a single press of a button. This also shows up in myth as single button press will result in multiple actions (ie: "11" instead of "1"). But repeat is set to 0 for all these — what gives?

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Juski:

Coume: I have a TV, crt monitor, & TFT. I could bring a small tv too if need be

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speedsix:

howdy myth folks

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Coume:

Juski, if you have TV, CRT and TFT that's fine, as we have 3 frontends

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Juski:

Coume: the backend will possibly need a monitor too... though obviously not all the time

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liran_:

just wondering if anyone would be interested in a plugin that would display the covers of new movies from apple.com/trailers?

[16:43:35]

liran_:

it won't be able to play the movie's trailers yet, but maybe later on.

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Juski:

liran_: if you've made one already, put it out on the users list

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liran_:

Juski: im thinking too, just wondering if it'd be useful

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speedsix:

if I do an svn update should I do a ./configure again or just make && make install?

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russellb:

speedsix: unless the configure script has changed, you should not need to re-run it

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test34:

you can't use ivtv with kernel 2.6.17.x right ?

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speedsix:

russellb, thanks

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gutano:

test34: iirc they are merging ivtv into the kernel over 16,17,18... that's why it's all goofy atm

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test34:

gutano, ok.. is it going to be merged soon ? ie weeks ?

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gutano:

I think it's supposed to be all in at 18, but they have really slowed down 2.6.* releases over last couple months

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speedsix:

if I do an svn update followed by a make, will it only need to recompile code that has changed/been added or does it do it all from scratch?

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russellb:

only what has changed

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test34:

ok thanks gutano

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speedsix:

I see

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russellb:

and files that depend on other files that have changed

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gutano:

test34: I've avoided learning the quirks of any of the new ivtv's since it's all changing, and just stuck with a 2.6.15.* for the time being =/

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speedsix:

myth devs have been busy, loads of new code since my last svn update

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onetwo:

nasa: try repeat=2 means service first press and ignore the next 2

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test34:

gutano, Ive had 2.6.16 with ivtv 0.6.1 but I'm having lockup problems.. thats why I wanted to try an update

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onetwo:

nasa: so if your remote is repeating this will solve your problem.

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nasa:

onetwo: thanks for the response. I thought repeat = 0 says ignore all other events that came from that keypress....

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gutano:

anyone else running svn run into problem recording anything but livetv, console from backend (first error) Channel::GetCurrentChannelNum(): Failed to find Channel ''

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janneg:

test34: ivtv 0.7 for kernel 2.6.17 is realeased

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test34:

janneg, cool

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gutano:

pastebin dying for anyone else today?

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test34:

gutano, seems like it is

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test34:

or very slow

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Anduin:

It is a real shame it is the only paste site out there.

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janneg:

Anduin: ??? there are other. http://mythtv.pastebin.com/

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janneg:

for example

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Anduin:

janneg: No way!

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janneg:

that one has actually issues for me. http://pastebin.ca is working normal

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speedsix:

anyone compiled a recent svn, having lots of problems with 10431

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GreyFoxx:

speedsix: I'm one rev behind that, no problems here

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speedsix:

latest mythplugins seems to have a few syntax errors, I'll try a few revisions previous

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Juski:

dammit. nothing like rain to ruin a fresh paint job

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Coume:

bloody router

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Juski:

heh

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** speedsix really wishes he'd used ubuntu for the backend and not knoppmyth **

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GreyFoxx:

speedsix: both plugins and mythtv compiled happily for me

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speedsix:

compiles on my frontend, knoppmyth backend always seems to have trouble building

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speedsix:

I feel a rebuild of the backend coming on

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speedsix:

going to be a major PITA I can tell

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speedsix:

my /myth dir is on a seperate partition sda3, I shouldn;t have a problem changing the distro on sda1 should I?

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blackcamera:

ok, i've looked any many places and can't seem to find it, so I'm hoping someone here can help me. I decide to upgrade to svn, 19.1, but when i do that, and go to manually edit recordings, the little bar at the bottom doesn't display

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blackcamera:

any ideas?

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blackcamera:

I don't see anything in the logs

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Anduin:

blackcamera: Default OSD theme?

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blackcamera:

I believe so

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blackcamera:

cheking now

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blackcamera:

I've tried both G.A.N.T and the Blue Theme, neither show it, in the G.A.N.T theme, i'm not able to see the menu labels.

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b^j:

so does mythtv's ./configure not actually check for prerequisites?

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Anduin:

b^j: sometimes

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** mishehu bahs. **

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Anduin:

blackcamera: The OSD theme, not the menu one, anyway other OSD displays work?

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Anduin:

b^j: Do you have a specific complaint?

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b^j:

Anduin, just that it missed piles of -dev packages i need

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blackcamera:

the only osd that i know works is when you go into a recording and press 'm' to get the menu that allows you to edit the recording.

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b^j:

Anduin, now i'm fighting it over freetype issues

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Anduin:

blackcamera: So just hitting 'e' does nothing?

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GreyFoxx:

b^j: What did it "

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GreyFoxx:

miss"?

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infringer:

ok still having problems with getting my sql going obviously I am doing something here not right.

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infringer:

http://pastebin.ca/82578

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blackcamera:

it pauses and you can do the editing, it just doesn't show the osd that shows the cutlist.

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infringer:

if you wish to help I would appreciate it

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Anduin:

b^j: The readme tells you the prerequisites, but yes, no checks are really made for almost all of them.

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b^j:

GreyFoxx, qt dev files xv dev files, freetype dev files lots of things

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GreyFoxx:

b^j: It does not check for every single .h file if that's what you mean

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GreyFoxx:

but it does check for the main required libs

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GreyFoxx:

But if you can give me some specific files that it didn't check for which caused you a problem I'll take a look at it

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b^j:

i got most of it now i think, i'm just used to ./configures that yell at me for missing libs

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Anduin:

infringer: So just to make it harder you decided that the default mythtv DB login wasn't good enough?

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infringer:

ahhh no

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infringer:

I figured that was the issue was it had to be same pw for zap2it

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GreyFoxx:

hehe no

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infringer:

easily changed though

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infringer:

so no big deal

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infringer:

brb one sec...

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infringer:

another thing of note is mythconverge dont show up in database listing

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blackcamera:

Anduin, any ideas?

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infringer:

http://pastebin.ca/82590

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infringer:

lemme reset un and pw

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GreyFoxx:

Did you create the blank database ?

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Anduin:

blackcamera: Not really, I don't think there is much logging around that section.

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infringer:

no I assume that I did not if it aint showing... for some odd reason I thought it said to in the guide as I followed them instructions

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infringer:

stoopid question but how do I create ?

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GreyFoxx:

"create database mythconverg;"

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blackcamera:

which one controls the osd options, I've never really messed with the display settings much.

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infringer:

cause now my terminal is screwed

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infringer:

cause I invoked myth tv as root

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Anduin:

infringer: mc.sql ring a bell?

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infringer:

and it gives me a constant error

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infringer:

yes

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infringer:

it does

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infringer:

and that gave me an error as well while trying to create something along the lines of directory not found

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Anduin:

blackcamera: In the playback settings you can adjust the OSD theme (and some other things)

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infringer:

brb gotta start a new session

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blackcamera:

found it, it wasn't on the default, i'll have to try in a little bit, have to go off to work now though.

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infringer:

well password and usernames are defualt for now... here was the error I got on setting up mc.sql [infringer@localhost /]$ mysql -u root <mc.sql

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infringer:

bash: mc.sql: No such file or directory

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xris:

infringer: um, you have to be in the same directory as mc.sql, or give the full path to it

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infringer:

oh hell thanks man just gotta locate the directory

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Coume:

ok let's see how long before my wireless router becomes nutz again...

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Coume:

Juski, I created the page for LUGRadio: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/lugradio_2006.php and I put the banner up on MythTVtalk.com and on both forum indexes :)

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gutano:

http://pastebin.ca/82633 anyone seen this error before, svn (10420) can't seem to Get current channel

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Beirdo:

the bot will BRB, fixed a nasty buglet

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andrewski:

is this a fairly appropriate place to ask questions about LIRC as described on the mythtv wiki?

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Beirdo:

OK, that's better

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gutano:

andrewski: here or (just guessing here) #lirc

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andrewski:

gutano: well, no one's there, to tell the truth.

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** gutano shrugs **

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gutano:

I don't think ppl are usually offended by questions, worst case, you don't get an answer

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andrewski:

i'm just having a bit of trouble getting everything working as the mythtv howto describes. do i need to recompile my (ubuntu) kernel to get the appropriate lirc drivers for my (MCE) remote?

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mocker:

andrewski: You may need to recompile lirc for mce support.

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andrewski:

mocker: is there a way to tell if it's already set up that way?

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Tom7e:

where can i find general instructions for setting up the mysql database?

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[Yatta]:

andrewski: u may need to.. i did becasue teh setserail thign just wasn't working for me on reboot

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gutano:

hrrrm... the src (and any packages) should have an sql file that describes what tables/fields/etc are created

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andrewski:

[Yatta]: ubuntu dapper?

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[Yatta]:

andrewski: I recompiled my kernel and set the serail drivers to module

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[Yatta]:

yep

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andrewski:

[Yatta]: is it a painful process? i have appreciated not having to compile after switching from gentoo.

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[Yatta]:

i did that mainly because i don't intend on using the serial port for anything else anyway

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andrewski:

mine is USB, for what it's worth.

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infringer_:

anyone have any idea where mc.sql is located?

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infringer_:

on a mandriva setup?

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[Yatta]:

depends on what u call painful... it took me liek almost 3hrs the first time i compiled my own kernel, but now with the options i have and everything its liek 1hr 45mns or so

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andrewski:

ugh... why is that even necessary? since when are drivers not supported for supported packages? O_O

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[Yatta]:

u may not need to.....

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andrewski:

but i should be using the lirc_mceusb driver, right?

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[Yatta]:

if u use the boot.misc option u may be abl to use the setserail command and realse the serial port from the kernel..

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[Yatta]:

try it though

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andrewski:

...boot.misc option?

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gutano:

http://pastebin.ca/82633 anyone using fairly recent svn run into issues recording (live tv works fine)

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gutano:

BE console says something about not being able to get current channel

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mocker:

andrewski: Yeah, that should be the correct driver.

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andrewski:

mocker: so if modprobe can't find it, that means recompile, yes?

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Tom7e:

where can i find general instructions for setting up the mysql database?

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gutano:

andrewski: modprobe -l | grep <module_name_your_looking_for>

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gutano:

Tom7e: the src (and any packages) should have an sql file that describes what tables/fields/etc are created

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andrewski:

gutano: "sudo modprobe -l | grep lirc" returns nothing.

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gutano:

andrewski: then the module is not compiled with the pkg you have

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gutano:

andrewski: that doesn't mean it's not built into the kernel.... *shrug*

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andrewski:

any idea which package would include the modules?

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[Yatta]:

u don't have it isntalled or at least running

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Tom7e:

gutano: source of what, package of what? why do i want a sql file?

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gutano:

Tom7e: the sql file is the "script" of commands to create the sql database

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gutano:

Tom7e: if you download mythtv, it's under mythtv/database/ called mc.sql

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Tom7e:

gutano: and how do i find this file? should i have gotten it with mytv or with mysql?

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Tom7e:

ok thanks

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gutano:

if you want to run it directly, use "mysql -u root -p < <path>/mc.sql"

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Tom7e:

ok, thanks

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gutano:

so... mysql -u root -p < /usr/local/src/mythtv/mc.sql (in my case)

[20:04:02]

andrewski:

gutano: so the modules *theoretically* can be included with the package itself, and wouldn't need to come from the kernel?

[20:04:15]

andrewski:

(it's been a while since i've had to think about drivers.)

[20:04:51]

gutano:

andrewski: what drivers are you looking for, I was just commenting on your "search" to see if you had something

[20:04:55]

[Yatta]:

andrewski: which howto are u following???

[20:05:06]

Tom7e:

gutano: it asks me for a password.... when i try to run it. not the root password either.

[20:05:10]

andrewski:

[Yatta]: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remote and http://hyams.webhop.net/mythtv/myth_ubuntu.html

[20:05:26]

gutano:

Tom7e: that's the sql database root passwd

[20:05:35]

andrewski:

gutano: honestly, i don't know! :P i think i need lirc_mceusb, as i have a Windows MCE (Philips) remote.

[20:05:37]

** gutano tries to remember how to set it off the bat **

[20:05:52]

Tom7e:

andrewski: I have that remote

[20:06:02]

Tom7e:

it's pretty easy to set up

[20:06:06]

[Yatta]:

andrewski: have u tried ./setup.sh ??? and picked the USB?

[20:06:11]

andrewski:

Tom7e: rub it in...!

[20:06:17]

gutano:

Tom7e: try it without the -p

[20:06:19]

Tom7e:

yes, do what Yatta says

[20:06:19]

andrewski:

[Yatta]: no, neither.

[20:06:24]

gutano:

you may not have a password set

[20:06:46]

Tom7e:

Yatta: if you run ./setup.sh it's easy. if you get problems it's because you don't have the dependancies

[20:06:49]

andrewski:

[Yatta]: ./setup.sh is necessary even when not compiling from source?

[20:06:58]

[Yatta]:

no

[20:07:03]

Tom7e:

andrewski: you want to compile from source

[20:07:09]

andrewski:

Tom7e: why?

[20:07:18]

[Yatta]:

i never used it..... i using a home made IR from irblaster.info

[20:07:33]

Tom7e:

what other way is there?

[20:07:39]

[Yatta]:

so i'm just uing plain ol serial

[20:07:47]

andrewski:

Tom7e: ubuntu packages....

[20:07:54]

Tom7e:

use these instructions. it's easy: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remo . . . nter_Remotes

[20:08:01]

Tom7e:

I have ubuntu too and i did it that way

[20:08:23]

andrewski:

Tom7e: that's where i'm at, but i don't like the idea of compiling from source without ending up with a package in apt.

[20:08:37]

Tom7e:

that's up to you i guess

[20:08:45]

andrewski:

Tom7e: i have 0.8.0 packages, but i'm guessing they don't have the necessary flags?

[20:08:49]

Tom7e:

i don't know how to do it through synaptic

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[Yatta]:

i never said u CAN"T do it that way... i just sai d I never did it

[20:09:13]

Tom7e:

0.8.0 is what you want i think

[20:09:28]

[Yatta]:

this is waht i used ....... ./configure --with-port=0x3f8 --with-irq=4 --with-transmitter --enable-sandboxed --with-driver=serial

[20:09:35]

andrewski:

yeah, that's what provides support for my remote.

[20:09:49]

Tom7e:

gutano: it says it can't create the database mythconverg because it already exists...

[20:10:09]

infringer_:

Woot I finally got the frontend running looks good sofar!

[20:10:16]

andrewski:

Tom7e: i built my packages from source, so you're thinking the only thing is to find out whether they have the necessary flags (i.e. the ones in that howto)?

[20:10:29]

gutano:

Tom7e: if you installed through some pkg manager, it may have been created automaticaly

[20:10:29]

andrewski:

Tom7e: and to rebuild the packages with those flags?

[20:11:01]

Tom7e:

andrewski: i don't know what you mean by flags. sorry i'm a new ubuntu user

[20:11:05]

infringer_:

Thank you all for the help so far

[20:11:23]

andrewski:

Tom7e: the --stuff you use when configuring. i'm just thinking out loud, but i think that'd be it.

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gutano:

Tom7e: what are you trying to accomplish atm? fresh install?

[20:12:49]

Tom7e:

gutano: no, when i start up mythtv, even though the setup screen starts, the console says unable to connect to the database

[20:13:14]

Tom7e:

gutano: Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

[20:14:15]

Tom7e:

andrewski: well, if you want a package i don't know how to do that. but if you want to go from source, ./setup.sh then make and sudo make install. if you get any errors it's because you need some other stuff first

[20:15:17]

Tom7e:

then you do modprobe... then lircd, then irw and test it

[20:16:48]

andrewski:

Tom7e: yeah, i'm still stuck at the package stage, but i'm getting help on that in #ubuntu-motu. :)

[20:17:15]

Tom7e:

ok then

[20:17:28]

andrewski:

i may be back, but it's nice to see i'm on the right track. thanks for the help so far.

[20:17:34]

Tom7e:

sure

[20:17:43]

gutano:

Tom7e: =/ *shrug*

[20:17:52]

andrewski:

ironic i'm getting more help here than in #lirc. :P

[20:18:05]

Tom7e:

#lirc is worthless, never try there

[20:18:11]

andrewski:

lol

[20:18:36]

andrewski:

so let's see how comprehensive this ubuntu packaging guide is....

[20:18:46]

andrewski:

without using mythtv, what all can this remote do?

[20:19:07]

Tom7e:

i'm going to restart. last night i spent hours trying to figure out why my ivtv wasn't working. it said it couldn't open the firmware, despite the fact that i was positive it was in the right place. i started the computer this morning and did dmesg and bam, it's working fine.

[20:19:18]

gutano:

Tom7e: anyhow, sql admin console should just be 'mysql -u root' and see the mc.sql to see what privilidges are granted to user mythtv

[20:20:13]

Tom7e:

i'll restart first

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Hoxzer:

*** glibc detected *** malloc(): memory corruption: 0x08629580 *** <- is that about ram?

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Hoxzer:

I guess

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infringer_:

hello can I get a lil help I'm getting closer by the hour I can taste it finally seen the front end ... setup weather amongst other settings...

[20:51:36]

infringer_:

http://pastebin.ca/82683

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infringer_:

could that be because my video is not currently connected is why it is giving me the error that backend needs to be configured

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Tom7e:

i got a package from apt that automatically set up my database. where do i find out the database name, user, and pass for this created database?

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infringer_:

ahhh well do this I havent got mine running

[20:56:53]

infringer_:

but ... I've gotten somewhat going

[20:57:12]

infringer_:

the database name is mythconverge

[20:57:18]

infringer_:

errr take that back

[20:57:22]

infringer_:

mythconverg

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Tom7e:

yeah..

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infringer_:

username and password both mythtv by default

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Tom7e:

huh. well that's what i already had

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infringer_:

ok

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Tom7e:

2006-07–08 16:57:53.912 Unable to connect to database!

[20:58:22]

Tom7e:

2006-07–08 16:57:53.912 Driver error was [1/1045]:

[20:58:22]

Tom7e:

QMYSQL3: Unable to connect

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Tom7e:

Database error was:

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Tom7e:

Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

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infringer_:

ahhh ok

[20:58:38]

infringer_:

here then you're problem is mc.sql

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Tom7e:

ok

[20:58:49]

infringer_:

you need to locate that file

[20:58:53]

Tom7e:

yeah..

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Tom7e:

i know where it is

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infringer_:

once you're in that directory set you're permissions then run mythtv

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infringer_:

or mythtvfrontend

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Tom7e:

permissions for the file?

[21:01:41]

Tom7e:

does it need execute permission?

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SarahEmm:

meowhi

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infringer_:

permissions for the database yes

[21:04:29]

infringer_:

you need to set them

[21:04:50]

infringer_:

guide section mysql at myth tv home page

[21:05:46]

infringer_:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html

[21:05:47]

Tom7e:

what needs to be set

[21:05:54]

Tom7e:

ok i look a that

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infringer_:

note before you do any of the following on that page I would su to root then find directory with mc.sql

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infringer_:

otherwise it wont work

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Tom7e:

i already know the directory

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infringer_:

ok

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Tom7e:

i don't understand though, that page is for granting access for multiple systems

[21:09:22]

Tom7e:

i'm on localhost

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infringer_:

same here

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infringer_:

but I did it and it brought up my frontend

[21:11:32]

infringer_:

but hell maybe I did nothing though

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infringer_:

sorry thats as far as I have gotten

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Tom7e:

ok

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Tom7e:

what are you stuck on

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infringer_:

I follow this guide through and through over and over

[21:12:17]

infringer_:

the backend setup I suppose

[21:12:30]

infringer_:

its telling me to run setup

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Tom7e:

ohhh

[21:12:41]

infringer_:

but the setup is in the frontend

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dmz:

hey y'all, i noticed in the playback recordings if I bring up the menu I can add items to a playlist. How do I start the playlist? if I select a recording it just plays the recording not the selected

[21:12:44]

infringer_:

I assume

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dmz:

also, any pvr500 users?

[21:13:35]

infringer_:

no but pvr-150 here...

[21:13:53]

infringer_:

basically what I read its dual 150's

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dmz:

i have pvr 350 working i'm having trouble with 2nd tuner card in 500

[21:13:56]

** SarahEmm has a -500 tested, but not being used with myth **

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dmz:

it recognizes the device(s) but don't seem to get any signal

[21:14:17]

dmz:

SarahEmm what did you test with?

[21:14:30]

SarahEmm:

err.. myth. s/with myth/in production/

[21:15:17]

dmz:

anyone have thoughts on recorded playlist playing?

[21:16:09]

infringer_:

possibly remote settings...

[21:17:04]

infringer_:

what are you using keyboard or remote

[21:17:14]

infringer_:

try with keyboard once

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dmz:

what is they key to play it? (play & select don't work that plays the one under the curser, not the selected playlists)

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infringer_:

first you must select a playlist then play it normally

[21:19:34]

infringer_:

on other things

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infringer_:

errr I'm trying to help and I aint even got myth running yet 100%

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sapbeast:

dmz: if you have a newer 500 the quality of the video will be poor regardless

[21:21:32]

sapbeast:

at least, how old is your 500

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infringer_:

errr dont feel bad there were many times I wanted to try VDR or go back to M$ and use GBPVR but... I hear mythtv is the best I've spent over a month now trying to learn how to configure this thing

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Tom7e:

how can I check what my MYSQL username and password are?

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infringer_:

in termainal su to root and type mythfrontend

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infringer_:

hey look you're all thumbs

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infringer_:

rofl

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andrewski:

lol

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dmz:

sapbeast i got it about a year ago

[21:31:03]

Tom7e:

i cant even do the granting stuff: mysql> grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"%" indentified by "mythtv";

[21:31:03]

Tom7e:

ERROR 1064 (42000): You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'indentified by "mythtv"' at line 1

[21:31:24]

GreyFoxx:

"identified" not "iNdentitied"

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sapbeast:

dmz: i know that if you have samsung tuners on your pvr-500 the video quality will suck no matter what you try, its not yet fully supported

[21:31:32]

Tom7e:

oops

[21:31:55]

Tom7e:

does this mean it worked: Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.00 sec)

[21:32:40]

GreyFoxx:

yes

[21:32:42]

GreyFoxx:

now

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Tom7e:

ok

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GreyFoxx:

"flush privileges;"

[21:33:04]

Tom7e:

yes, i did that too.

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infringer_:

yes

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Tom7e:

still don't work

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andrewski:

Tom7e: so you have dapper and compiled lirc+the according drivers from source on the default ubuntu kernel?

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GreyFoxx:

Tom7e: What isn't working ?

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Tom7e:

i compiled LIRC

[21:35:36]

Tom7e:

GreyFoxx: http://pastebin.com/743447

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andrewski:

Tom7e: well, where did you get the modules for the remote? i.e. lirc_mceusb

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infringer_:

did you type mythtvfrontend whe su'd to root in terminal

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GreyFoxx:

pastebin.com is slow as heck

[21:36:32]

janneg:

pastebin.ca is working

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infringer_:

http://pastebin.ca/82683

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Tom7e:

andrewski: i don't know what you mean. I didn't "get" any modules. i used ./setup.sh and it configured

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andrewski:

Tom7e: well, didn't you have to modprobe as the instructions specify?

[21:37:37]

Tom7e:

yes

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Tom7e:

after i make install

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Tom7e:

by the way, i think it's lirc_mceusb2

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dmz:

sapbeast how do i nkow if i have samsung tuners?

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andrewski:

ok ok, whatev. it doesn't make a difference at this point. :-P

[21:38:19]

GreyFoxx:

Tom7e: Can you post your error to pastebin.ca instead ? pastebin.COM sucks :)

[21:38:24]

Tom7e:

sure

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dmz:

samsung and the problem i am having is that i can't seem to get anything from the 2nd tuner

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Tom7e:

this is just the last few lines when i run mythtv from terminal:

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Tom7e:

http://pastebin.ca/82730

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andrewski:

Tom7e: i have some ubuntu MOTUs on this one; hopefully we'll get this damned package to build.

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GreyFoxx:

Tom7e: from the commandline

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GreyFoxx:

mysql -umythtv -pmythtv mythconverg

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GreyFoxx:

Does it log you in ?

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Tom7e:

greyFoxx: no, ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

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Tom7e:

my password is screwed up then

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GreyFoxx:

login as root

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GreyFoxx:

type

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GreyFoxx:

"use mysql;"

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GreyFoxx:

then

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Tom7e:

you don't login in as root with ubuntu

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GreyFoxx:

"Select * from user where User = "mythtv";

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GreyFoxx:

I'm talking about login to mysql as the root mysql user, not your OS :)

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Tom7e:

ohok

[21:43:09]

Tom7e:

ok, i'm doing as you say

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Tom7e:

ok

[21:43:32]

Tom7e:

i'm caught up

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Tom7e:

it showed a lot of stuff after that last command. want me to pastebin it?

[21:44:22]

GreyFoxx:

yes

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Tom7e:

http://pastebin.ca/82734

[21:45:12]

Tom7e:

i think i see

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GreyFoxx:

your "localhost" entry is overriding the wildcard entry

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GreyFoxx:

and they have different passwords

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Tom7e:

yeah

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Tom7e:

that's weird

[21:46:18]

Tom7e:

i never set either of those passwords

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GreyFoxx:

Personally I'd get rid of the wildcard entry

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Tom7e:

can i remove the wildcard entry? i don't think i need it

[21:46:36]

Tom7e:

right

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Tom7e:

how do i get rid of it?

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Tom7e:

ouch

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GreyFoxx:

delete from user where User = "mythtv" and Host = "%";

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GreyFoxx:

update user set Password = PASSWORD("mythtv") where User = "mythtv";

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GreyFoxx:

flush privileges;

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Tom7e:

do i need to be under "use mythconverg;" or "use mysql;" ?

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GreyFoxx:

mysql

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Tom7e:

ok, i did those three commands

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GreyFoxx:

now try to connect from the commandline again

[21:51:04]

Tom7e:

ok

[21:52:01]

Tom7e:

i think it's worked now... thanks

[21:53:22]

Tom7e:

well i've gotten that far :) thanks for your help

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andrewski:

Tom7e: by the way, crimsun built some packages here: http://sh.nu/~crimsun/TEST_lirc/

[21:59:05]

Tom7e:

infringer_: you gotten any farther with your backend?

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andrewski:

Tom7e: just if you're interested.

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Tom7e:

andrewski: i'll bookmark those

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Tom7e:

i'm not sure if my remote is working right now to be honest

[22:01:47]

Tom7e:

but that's at the bottom of my list of worries right now

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andrewski:

sounds like it. :P

[22:04:42]

Tom7e:

matthew@matthew-desktop:~$ mythbackend

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Tom7e:

2006-07–08 18:04:05.992 New DB connection, total: 1

[22:04:43]

Tom7e:

No setting found for this machine's BackendServerIP.

[22:04:43]

Tom7e:

Please run setup on this machine and modify the first page

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Tom7e:

of the general settings.

[22:04:51]

Tom7e:

what is the setup program?

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jedix:

hey

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SarahEmm:

Tom7e: mythsetup iirc.. or maybe mythtv-setup

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** SarahEmm checks **

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SarahEmm:

mythtv-setup

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jedix:

I'm trying to get a bttv 878 to work in my box, but whenever it's in.. it freezes on boot

[22:06:04]

jedix:

anyone know what would cause this?

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Tom7e:

thanks

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Tom7e:

any documentation on running mythtv-setup?

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GreyFoxx:

There is some on the mythtv.org site

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GreyFoxx:

and on the various distro specific walk throughs

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NightMonkey:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-singlehtml.html ?

[22:08:48]

NightMonkey:

Tom7e: Specifically, http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-singlehtml.html#toc9.1 .

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jedix:

sigh

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jedix:

is there any issues with nvidia 8762 drivers and the bttv 878?

[22:09:53]

GreyFoxx:

not likely since they have nothing to do with each other

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jedix:

k

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jedix:

maybe with my mobo?

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jedix:

I don't know what the issue is at all :/

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jedix:

happens with my custom kernel and debian's kernel

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jedix:

any suggestions on where to start would be helpful

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infringer_:

Tom7e yes

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infringer_:

doh

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infringer_:

he lef

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infringer_:

left

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infringer_:

I went through the mythtv setup and both ip's master and mythtv are both set to 127.0.0.1 yet it still gives me a connection to backend error

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infringer_:

what could this be?

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GreyFoxx:

infringer_: this all running on a single machine ?

[22:29:17]

infringer_:

yes correct

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speedsix:

xris, you about?

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infringer_:

ports are allowed locally by firewall as well... both tcp

[22:31:14]

speedsix:

everytime I add the 'AllowOverride All' to my apache configeration it causes apache to crash?

[22:31:30]

speedsix:

trying to get mythweb working btw

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GreyFoxx:

infringer_: What exactlyisthe error you are getting ?

[22:31:38]

infringer_:

actually one port 3306 and the other two ports

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infringer_:

the error ok one second

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Juski:

omg.. watch out mythtv, mediaportal is going client/server :-O

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** GreyFoxx goes looking for screenshots **

[22:36:44]

GreyFoxx:

The screenshots ofthe project mayhem ported theme look nice hehe

[22:36:51]

WhyvasApt:

hey not really a mythtv question, not even a linux question really, but setting up a wireless bridge in windows xp serving a mythtv box

[22:36:56]

infringer_:

do you get video errors if video is not connect

[22:37:03]

WhyvasApt:

anyone have a tutorial or anything?

[22:37:29]

GreyFoxx:

infringer_: you have be a heck of a lot more specific than that

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infringer_:

cause I started the backend from terminal and it gave me some errors one sec I will post on pastebin

[22:38:08]

MatSteeples:

hi

[22:38:39]

MatSteeples:

I have a fairly technical question regarding the setup of Myth

[22:38:55]

WhyvasApt:

the answer is 6

[22:39:17]

laga:

42.

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MatSteeples:

it's to do with having both analog and digital tuners... how do i tell myth that BBC one is the same channel on analog and digital?

[22:39:30]

MatSteeples:

hehe, 42 was my first choice. 6 i hadn't tried! ;)

[22:39:41]

WhyvasApt:

can't you just delete the analog one from the channel list?

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laga:

umm

[22:40:21]

MatSteeples:

I could do, but I'd rather have the choice to record from Analog if digital is busy

[22:40:29]

laga:

MatSteeples: are you familiar with the concept of video sources in mythtv?

[22:40:36]

MatSteeples:

(got 1 digital tuner, and 2 analog ones)

[22:41:21]

MatSteeples:

laga: erm, I've read about them. Not too familiar with the details

[22:41:55]

WhyvasApt:

ok, enough with this mythtv stuff in this channel, how about answering my wireless bridging question?

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laga:

MatSteeples: ok. for analog and digital, you'll need two video sources. if you have BBC one in the channel lineup for both videosources, you should be fine.

[22:43:09]

** Beirdo beats his head against the wall a few times **

[22:43:11]

laga:

WhyvasApt: why don't ya go bug the manufacturer's support people?

[22:43:19]

WhyvasApt:

yeah right

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** laga helps beirdo **

[22:43:33]

WhyvasApt:

and wait for 8 hours on hold to talk to some guy from pakistan

[22:43:33]

infringer_:

http://pastebin.ca/82786

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MatSteeples:

it is in there for both, and I can record/view either. THe problem is that it's seeing them as 2 separate channels, so if I set a recording for one, it records it on both

[22:44:02]

infringer_:

GreyFoxx here is the pastebin http://pastebin.ca/82786

[22:44:20]

Beirdo:

seems the lib I use for the bot isn't really as threadsafe as it had previously appeared to be

[22:44:51]

laga:

WhyvasApt: buy from a different manufacturer next time. but well, you've asked for a complete walk-through in a channel not even closely related to your question.

[22:45:08]

laga:

s/closely/remotely/

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WhyvasApt:

hey hey now

[22:45:37]

WhyvasApt:

it's serving a mythtv BOX!

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andrewski:

for a philips MCE remote, i do need lirc_mceusb2, right?

[22:46:07]

WhyvasApt:

i have an ingrown toenail and it hurts like hell

[22:46:32]

GreyFoxx:

infringer_: A: You re not really meant to start "mythtv" from a commandline, you should really use mythfrontend, B: You did not completely setup your configuration of the backend.

[22:47:04]

WhyvasApt:

infringer_, use knoppmyth

[22:47:10]

WhyvasApt:

easy install, easy setup

[22:47:25]

infringer_:

I tried knoppmyth didnt like it

[22:48:00]

infringer_:

and it was problems for me getting used to knoppix interface reminds me too much of gnome

[22:48:18]

infringer_:

besides I need to figure out how to configure things correctly

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WhyvasApt:

what os?

[22:48:25]

infringer_:

but I thank you for you're suggestion

[22:48:29]

infringer_:

mandriva

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infringer_:

GreyFoxx so having the video cable not connected would not cause this error then correct.

[22:50:14]

GreyFoxx:

no

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GreyFoxx:

or yes, correct

[22:50:36]

GreyFoxx:

you are getting the errorsbecause you have no compelted the setup in mythtv-setup

[22:51:00]

GreyFoxx:

Infact, the error is telling you what is wrong

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infringer_:

#

[22:52:46]

infringer_:

Could not get inputs for the capturecard.

[22:52:46]

infringer_:

#

[22:52:46]

infringer_:

Perhaps you have forgotten to bind video

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infringer_:

#

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infringer_:

sources to your card's inputs?

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MatSteeples:

hmmm, thanks for the help guys. I've just had a look through the mailing list archive (ca June 2003) and it indicates that Myth can't match up channels from the different sources. I'm probably best just removing the 5 analog channels from the digital card do you reckon?

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WhyvasApt:

I WAS RIGHT

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infringer_:

I selected composite0 ... thats why I was figuring it is thinking that because there is no video plugged in

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infringer_:

guess that is not binding

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GreyFoxx:

MatSteeples: Actually it will see them as the same channel, there is away to give a priority to a specific card

[22:54:17]

GreyFoxx:

MatSteeples: I just can't think of it offhand

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MatSteeples:

hmm, it's not seeing them as the same at the moment. Does it judge them by name? I named the analog one's manually. I'll try changing it so they're identical

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MatSteeples:

I've seen the priority option somewhere as well GreyFoxx

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GreyFoxx:

infringer_: You add a card, you create a video source (the channel listings and such) , and finally you tell myth to match the listings to a specific input on acard

[22:55:30]

GreyFoxx:

MatSteeples: Yes, it uses the name

[22:55:44]

Spart:

s there any webpage that lists the differences in xine vs mplayer? Is one preferred over the other, or is it personal preference?

[22:55:45]

GreyFoxx:

Ifthey are identical it should see them all as the same

[22:55:51]

MatSteeples:

cool. thanks

[22:56:11]

GreyFoxx:

Spart: xine supports dvd menus, mplayer doesn't. Beyond that's it's really just personal preference

[22:56:33]

sphery:

MatSteeples: It's the callsign, not the name

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Spart:

what about the internal player? does it support dvd menus?

[22:56:42]

infringer_:

which would take you to mythfilldatabase as the last step ok

[22:56:50]

GreyFoxx:

Spart: It does in SVN,I don't know about 0.19 release

[22:57:19]

sphery:

MatSteeples: If you make the callsign and the channel number the same, they will show only once in the guide. If you make the callsign the same and the channel number different, it will show twice in the guide, but Myth will still know they're the same channel.

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Spart:

k, thanks...as far as you know, do all three pretty much consume the same amount or resources? I noticed in the past with a couple of my win32 players, some would play better than others

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laga:

nope, 0.19 doesn't support DVD menus

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sphery:

Spart: pretty sure 0.19 (and 0.19-fixes) Internal player doesn't support DVD menus

[22:58:15]

MatSteeples:

sphery: I'm only interested in them appearing in the one place, so I'm planning on changing both. Thanks

[22:58:18]

GreyFoxx:

svn's does, but it's been along time since 0.19 :)

[22:58:32]

GreyFoxx:

Spart: Honestly I use the Internal player for everything

[22:58:44]

GreyFoxx:

But I don't really use myth for dvd's

[22:58:52]

Spart:

really dvd menus arent a concern for me

[22:58:54]

sphery:

MatSteeples: If you change the channel number, make sure the freqid is correct (especially if changing the analog channel number) so it will tune correctly.

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Spart:

I just wanted to make sure that both players performed the same

[22:59:26]

sphery:

MatSteeples: freqid can be either channel number or frequency in kHz

[22:59:34]

Spart:

I noticed a little bit of blockiness when im playing an xvid in mplayer

[22:59:45]

Spart:

and wasn't sure if xine or the internal player would help

[22:59:53]

MatSteeples:

sphery: Do I need to change the channel numbers or frequencies? they're already set to the right channels.

[22:59:57]

sphery:

All (callsign, channum, freqid) are available through mythtv-setup's channel editor (but with human-readable names)

[23:00:05]

sphery:

Change the channel numbers

[23:00:23]

sphery:

Don't change freqid

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GreyFoxx:

Why would he change the channel numbers?

[23:00:40]

sphery:

freqid should be channel number or frequency (kHz)

[23:00:40]

GreyFoxx:

He just has to match up the names of the stations

[23:00:53]

sphery:

GreyFoxx: He wants it to appear only once in the guide

[23:01:00]

sphery:

That requires a match of callsign and channum

[23:01:01]

pab:

Could someone tell me what 0.19-fixes fixes?

[23:01:03]

GreyFoxx:

That's not what I read

[23:01:16]

sphery:

(18:58:15) MatSteeples: sphery: I'm only interested in them appearing in the one place, so I'm planning on changing both. Thanks

[23:01:18]

GreyFoxx:

he wanted it to record a show on either input

[23:01:34]

GreyFoxx:

Ok, that was after the initial comment :)

[23:01:36]

sphery:

He has since told me he wants it to appear only once

[23:01:38]

sphery:

right

[23:02:08]

sphery:

pab: 0.19-fixes fixes Myth

[23:02:09]

sphery:

:)

[23:02:15]

sphery:

Use 0.19-fixes.

[23:02:15]

GreyFoxx:

Sounds like a colossal waste of effort to hide the channels since how often are you scorlling through the chanlist really ?

[23:02:19]

GreyFoxx:

:)

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sphery:

But it's nice for MythWeb

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sphery:

:)

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GreyFoxx:

I disagree

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sphery:

(although it makes the HD symbol disappear ;)

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GreyFoxx:

I think it's perferable to havethe different channels show

[23:03:15]

GreyFoxx:

unless you have a SH*TLOAD of duplicates :)

[23:03:24]

pab:

pab: lol My myth is running fine, just wondering if I should risk applying the fix :)

[23:03:26]

sphery:

I like a small listings page (guess I use way too many slow hotel 'net connections)

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MatSteeples:

sorry for the confusion. I don't mind about how often they appear, but I want it so that if I record a program on BBC ONE, it will record it using *any* available tuner, depending on what's free or the priority. At the moment it records on both tuners at the same time

[23:03:57]

sphery:

pab: I'll correct my previous statement: Use 0.19-fixes for new installs. However, if it works, don't fix it. :)

[23:04:13]

sphery:

So, if you haven't seen problems, stick with the current install.

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pab:

sphery: thx

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citrus:

No error type from QSqlError? Strange...

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sphery:

There are no new features in 0.19-fixes, so it's not a worthwhile upgrade unless you have problems.

[23:04:35]

citrus:

er

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citrus:

anyone runs MythTV on Slackware?

[23:04:50]

GreyFoxx:

citrus: All of my boxes are Slackware

[23:05:02]

citrus:

GreyFoxx, did you haveto compile Qt your self?

[23:05:06]

sphery:

MatSteeples: You just need the callsign to be the same for that.

[23:05:07]

citrus:

or used one from the packages

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GreyFoxx:

citrus: I didn't have to. I have since the original installs

[23:05:32]

GreyFoxx:

but out of the box it worked

[23:05:34]

citrus:

i seem to have problem with database, and i have mysql running with all tables and privileges setup alright, but it still fails

[23:05:35]

sphery:

MatSteeples: However, if you set the duplicate matching policy appropriately, even if it doesn't know they're the same channel, you should only get one recording

[23:05:36]

citrus:

hmmm

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GreyFoxx:

I did have to add a line to my ld.so.conf to make it see the sql plugin

[23:05:48]

citrus:

ah

[23:06:07]

GreyFoxx:

I added /usr/lib/qt/plugins/sqldrivers

[23:06:15]

sphery:

MatSteeples: But, it sounds like your callsigns are different /and/ you're creating two recording rules. Make callsigns the same and only set one recording rule (using either the analog or digital channel).

[23:06:17]

GreyFoxx:

to /etc/ld.so.conf and rerun ldconfig (As root)(

[23:06:28]

GreyFoxx:

assuming qt is in /usr/lib/qt

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citrus:

GreyFoxx, before or after you compiled mythtv?

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citrus:

eh... i supose before

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MatSteeples:

sphery: yeah, the callsigns were different. I've changed that now. Just checking the recording rules.

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GreyFoxx:

citrus: Doesn't matter

[23:08:01]

citrus:

hmm

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GreyFoxx:

It just has to be there to be dynamically loaded by QT

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GreyFoxx:

it's not compiled direcrtly into myth

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citrus:

hmm

[23:09:04]

citrus:

i still get No error type from QSqlError? Strange...

[23:09:17]

GreyFoxx:

post the full output to pastebin.ca

[23:10:29]

citrus:

http://pastebin.ca/82802

[23:11:15]

GreyFoxx:

Is mysql currently running ?

[23:11:19]

citrus:

yes

[23:11:29]

GreyFoxx:

and from a commandline you can execute

[23:11:30]

citrus:

and i can connect to it via 'mysql -u mythtv -p mythtv'

[23:11:35]

citrus:

and everything

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GreyFoxx:

and you created themythconverg database?

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citrus:

3306/tcp open mysql

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citrus:

yes

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GreyFoxx:

what arethe contents of your mysql.txt files ?

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citrus:

the mc.sql?

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GreyFoxx:

no

[23:12:40]

GreyFoxx:

a mysql.txt, either in /usr/local/share/mythtv/mysql.txt or ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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GreyFoxx:

It contains the sql login info used by the app

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GreyFoxx:

server host, user, pass etc

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citrus:

hmm

[23:13:12]

citrus:

ok

[23:13:42]

citrus:

http://pastebin.ca/82804

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MatSteeples:

thanks for your help sphery, GreyFoxx and laga. I'm gonna call it a night now

[23:14:12]

citrus:

everything seem to match there

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GreyFoxx:

citrus: Ok, just for sh*ts n giggles, type this exactly as I do

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GreyFoxx:

mysql -umythtv -pmythtv mythconverg

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citrus:

mmkmk

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GreyFoxx:

cut n paste it

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citrus:

Your MySQL connection id is 14 to server version: 5.0.22-max ...

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GreyFoxx:

ok

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Hoxzer:

how does gdm backtrace look like?

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citrus:

http://pastebin.ca/82807

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GreyFoxx:

mysql -h localhost -umythtv -pmythtv mythconverg

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citrus:

the entire thing

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Hoxzer:

if debug is enabled

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GreyFoxx:

k

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citrus:

same thing with the -h

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GreyFoxx:

citrus: Hmmmmm.... I wonder

[23:16:22]

GreyFoxx:

Is the QT you are using the one that came with Slackware ?

[23:16:43]

citrus:

well

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citrus:

i've installed the latest one available in packages

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citrus:

qt 3.3

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GreyFoxx:

ok

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citrus:

all of my qt applications work with it tho

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** GreyFoxx is suspecting that the QT sqlplugin was compiled against a different major version of mysql **

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citrus:

i installed it because my original qt package didn't have the SQL plugins

[23:17:32]

citrus:

hmm

[23:17:39]

citrus:

well

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GreyFoxx:

like compiled against mysql 4.1/4.0 and you are using mysql 5

[23:17:46]

citrus:

i installed mysql5, not from a packages,

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citrus:

yea

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citrus:

ok

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GreyFoxx:

citrus: The original does have the sql plugin

[23:18:04]

citrus:

should i get mysql from a package then

[23:18:06]

GreyFoxx:

you just have to add that ld.so.conf line for it to see it

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citrus:

ok

[23:18:23]

citrus:

GreyFoxx, do you use mysql 5?

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GreyFoxx:

BUT either way, if QT sqlplugin is compiled against a different version of the mysql client libraries than you are using it will fail like youa re seeing

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GreyFoxx:

citrus: Actually my myth boxes are all using 4.0.24

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GreyFoxx:

I've had no reason to upgrade :)

[23:20:05]

citrus:

omg

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citrus:

GreyFoxx, you're so not on the edge :P

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GreyFoxx:

I have no needto fall over it :)

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citrus:

heh

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citrus:

i'm going to get original Qt and mysql 4 pkg or something

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GreyFoxx:

Yeah,or recompile QT

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GreyFoxx:

as long as the major revisions match you should be ok

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citrus:

that would take me... like a week or two

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GreyFoxx:

hehe QT is a b*tch to compile :)

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laga:

yep.

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GreyFoxx:

gcc is slow compiling c++

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laga:

had to do that a few times when i was messing with directfb. i still wake up sometimes only to find myself crying.

[23:22:11]

GreyFoxx:

heh

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citrus:

the original qt was like qt-3.3.4-i486–2

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citrus:

and now i have qt-3.3.6-i486–1

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citrus:

heh

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DrMitch:

so anyone running knoppmyth on a pvr dedicated machine? if so, what are the specs on it? I wanna make one and am wondering if a 1) athlon 2000+, 2) 200 gig hd, 3) 1 gig RAM, 4) PVR-150 will be plenty enough for JUST running myth

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laga:

DrMitch: yep.

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laga:

sounds very good :)

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laga:

are you gonna do tv-out?

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laga:

(HDTV won't be possible with your setup, FYI)

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DrMitch:

definite yes

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DrMitch:

i don't plan on hd

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laga:

have you already got a vga card?

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DrMitch:

well i haven't ordered anything yet, i'm broke, but once i pay rent for next month, yes. i'm prolly gonna order a nvidia with tvout

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DrMitch:

could i go less on any of those specs do you think?

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GreyFoxx:

just analog tv? only planning on 1 capture card ?

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GreyFoxx:

a 1000mhz machine with 256 or 512megof ram would be fine

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DrMitch:

well, let's say i MIGHT want 2 tuner cards eventually

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GreyFoxx:

my frontends are all 733mhz and down

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laga:

nvidia sounds good.

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GreyFoxx:

well, all but the one thatis on the main mythbackend

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xris:

DrMitch: nvidia 5200 or 6200 should be about the same price ($35–50), and both are great cards for mythtv

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DrMitch:

i coudl go 2 hardware encoder tuner cards, 1000mhz and 512mb ram and it could be okay?

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GreyFoxx:

DrMitch: That should be fine

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xris:

DrMitch: should be great

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DrMitch:

sweet sassy molassy

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laga:

older mainboards with via chipsets tend to have problems with mythtv and those pvr cards. nforce2 should be fine.

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Juski:

tell that to my abit kt7

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laga:

i didn't say they have to have problems with pvr cards :)

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Juski:

well.. bedtime.. don't ever watch "hide & seek"... it's crap :-P

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laga:

g'night juski

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Juski:

night laga.. night all

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Hoxzer:

http://pastebin.ca/82819 <- is this succesful backtrace?

[23:37:25]

GreyFoxx:

Hoxzer: Looked like it, yes

[23:38:22]

Hoxzer:

well, I guess I post this to mythtv-dev mailing list

[23:38:53]

xris:

Hoxzer: or to a ticket

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Aid`:

ll

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Hoxzer:

xris: ticket?

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xris:

Hoxzer: generally, if you have a problem and a backtrace to go with it, you create a bug report (aka ticket) or it'll get lost

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Hoxzer:

xris: well, shouldn't I in the first place find out if there is something wrong with my system?

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Hoxzer:

before posting any tickets?

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xris:

Hoxzer: not knowing what the problem is, that's probably a good idea, yes.

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infringer:

Cold someone look at a log and figure out what the piss I am doing wrong thank you in advance?

[23:50:05]

infringer:

http://pastebin.ca/82829

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Anduin:

infringer: Backend log as well

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laga:

yep.

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infringer:

how do i get that now...

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citrus:

OMGOMG

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GreyFoxx:

?

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citrus:

GreyFoxx, you're genius.... after downreading to qt 3.3.4 and mysql 4.x it works

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citrus:

<3

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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citrus:

yeh

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infringer:

one sec

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infringer:

I will get

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infringer:

http://pastebin.ca/82833

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pab:

Are nuvexport questions appropriate here?

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infringer:

front and backend logs

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pab:

And if not, can you direct me?

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Anduin:

infringer: That failure to find the channel is going to get you.

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laga:

pab: yep.

[23:56:41]

laga:

yep to the first question, that is

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pab:

laga: thx! I can't get nuvexport to run on my remote frontend. It keeps complaining about Date::Manip

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infringer:

Anduin obviously it connects to channel 3 to start with but there is no channel 3 so I created a fake channel in xml tv listing...

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laga:

pab: install it, then. either via your distro's package management tool or CPAN.

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infringer:

is there any way I can have it connect to another channel or what am I doing wrong?

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pab:

laga: I did make and make install. Should there be a ./configure?

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laga:

pab: not for nuvexport. might be nice if there was one, though.

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pab:

laga: Okay. I'll delete it and try to install again

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Anduin:

infringer: You can change the DB and adjust the startchan if that is the real problem. If your program guide doesn't show things as right though there is little point.

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