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Monday, June 26th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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SarahEmm:

lear

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SarahEmm:

meow! anyone know if mythtv supports SAP?

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bmk789:

anyone else think myth shouldnt be ported to windows?

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SarahEmm:

shouldn't? why?

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spiderworm:

are there plans to port it?

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bmk789:

yes

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kleptophobiac2:

the devs are busy enough

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bmk789:

then they could use it in windows

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kleptophobiac2:

there's always sagetv / MCE / beyondtv for the windows types

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bmk789:

its in the summer of code thing

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bmk789:

its being ported

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spiderworm:

interesting

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bmk789:

but then people wouldnt be as tempted to use linux

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kleptophobiac2:

is there any summer of code stuff actually going on?

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kleptophobiac2:

or is it a bunch of bold print on a page with no work behind it?

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Agrajag-:

bmk789: so what?

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test34:

coolego1, thanks, that worked great

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bmk789:

ok fine i guess none of you are as pro-linux as i am

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nosatalian:

klepto we're working, you probably wont see any changes until after the summer is over and the devs decide what to put in the main trunk

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SarahEmm:

bmk789: i'm very pro linux, but i'm also pro-choice :)

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SarahEmm:

if people want to run it on windows, i'm fine with letting them *Shrug*

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spiderworm:

just because the proprietary software world doesnt want to play nicely with FOSS doesnt mean we have to play that way

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spiderworm:

besides, i'd say mythtv on windows might win some linux converts instead of encouraging windows usage....

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bmk789:

really?

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bmk789:

how so?

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nosatalian:

they might appreciate a better scheduler, for one

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spiderworm:

well, if it works better on linux because windows is too gui heavy, for example...

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bmk789:

ya they could be tempted to switch if the windows client wasnt as developed as the linux client

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spiderworm:

bmk789: for most people, conversion to linux or FOSS becomes a one-thing-at-a-time thing.... they will start iwth firefox, then thunderbird, then whatever else

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spiderworm:

people arent going to immediately go from windows/IE/MS Office/etc to FOSS all at once

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bmk789:

true

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bmk789:

but im saying if mythtv is just as good on windows as linux, people will say "o this client is just as good, i have no reason to switch to linux?

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bmk789:

"*

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spiderworm:

want to convert people to linux? work on getting cool xgl stuff working like amazingly well on linux and i will get it on desktops in a computer store where i can showcase them next to windows vista.... make linux LOOK better than vista, and i will make the linux PCs cost less, and the consumer will do the rest of the work

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Aid`:

I hate IE thank u :)

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bmk789:

spiderworm: true

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spiderworm:

bmk789: well if linux really IS better (faster, better use of resources, etc) than windows, then mythtv should work better on linux, and the conversion on that point should be better as well

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nero:

spiderworm, but I need to run MS office for work, or my son likes to play World Of Warcraft..

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nero:

IMHO, there is quite a bit more to it than the customers falling for what "looks better"

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bmk789:

im just afraid myttv would turn into the kype situation, with the windows client 3 versions ahead

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bmk789:

skype*

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nero:

bmk789, seeing as the lead developers for mythtv are linux only, and the win client is more looked at as a pet-project by them..

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Agrajag-:

well that's a ridiculous statement

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nero:

Isaac's response was much more along the lines of "well, I wont be doing a win client, but if someone really wants to take the code and make it work, they are free to."

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Dagmar:

The last thing we need, IMHO, is "customer"-types flooding to Linux.

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nero:

Dagmar, amen to that!

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Dagmar:

They're mainly morons, they're convinced they shouldn't have to read or think when using the computer, and they can completely sap developer time

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Dagmar:

It's all well and good to posit that at some point in the future computers won't need manuals or instructions, but it's also dependent on a certain level of literacy and intelligence that the general populace does not actually have.

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bmk789:

very true

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spiderworm:

nero: I daresay most people will make assumptions about the quality and power of an operating system by how solid the gui is

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spiderworm:

and how cool

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spiderworm:

if I tell them world of warcraft will work on the computer, they'll bite

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nero:

spiderworm, sure.. they may make assumptions, but that has nothing to do with they will buy..

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Dagmar:

spiderworm: These same people are also the reason snake oil salesmen, cell phone antenna booster stickers, and copper "longevity" bracelets exists.

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Dagmar:

Stupidity should be corrected, not catered to.

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nero:

sure.. and then you'll be getting a computer return when they are wondering "what is the cedega thing, and how the hell do I get it to work?"

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spiderworm:

mmmaybe

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spiderworm:

you guys are talking today

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nero:

yes.. of course..

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spiderworm:

im talking 3 or 4 years from now

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nero:

sure, 10 years down the road, maybe..

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Dagmar:

hahah

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nero:

but today, no way.

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Dagmar:

3–4 years? Hahah

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spiderworm:

we'll see

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nero:

yes we will. ;)

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Dagmar:

spiderworm: People have been waiting for "users" to get smarter than the average cocker-spaniel for, well, about as long as personal computers have existed.

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spiderworm:

it may be too soon in 3 or 4 years, but if so, I can make that evaluation at the time

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Dagmar:

You say 3–4 years, I say 3–4 decades, because so far very little improvement has happened in the last 20.

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spiderworm:

Dagmar: who's waiting for users to get smarter? not I for one

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nero:

spiderworm, the whole problem is, linux takes a smart user...

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spiderworm:

nero: not necessarily

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nero:

my mom for example.. she just wants to process her pictures, make dvd slideshows easily, surf the web, read email and write her HOA news letters..

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Dagmar:

Necessarily, unless only really really simple tasks are going to be performed.

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nero:

no way in hell would I ever put her on a linux box..

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spiderworm:

nero: you dont think the DEs for linux have been doing a good job at making running linux easier for the end user?

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Dagmar:

That would really be cruel.

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Dagmar:

Mainly the DE's on Linux have made things easier for the application developer.

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Dagmar:

...which is good, since their goal is generally to make useable software, but it's almost a side effect that things have gotten easier for users.

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nero:

spiderworm, yes.. they have been working hard, but for the most part their audience isnt (and IMHO shouldn't be) a normal everyday user who just wants to surf and write email, and word process..

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spiderworm:

*shrug* they think of themselves first, but what about kcontrol? always getting easier to use... knetworkmanager? that's making it easier for end users... etc

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Dagmar:

These things only do so at the expense of flexibility

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nero:

spiderworm, and explain to my mom how to get images off her digital camera, create a dynamic (ken burns) slideshow set to music, then burn it to a DVD in linux..

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nero:

in Windows, it is somewhat easy, and in OS X she figured out how to do it on her own in about 20 minutes..

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Dagmar:

A GUI is basically the equivalent of a gear shift. THere's only a certain number of fixed tasks one can perform, just as there's only a certain number of positions you can put a gearshift in.

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nero:

in linux, it can be done, but for a newbie user, would be a nightmare, and get them so frustrated they would proably give up..

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spiderworm:

anyways, i dont have time to talk about this... i have boxes to unpack....

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nero:

;)

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Dagmar:

...and not all gearshifts are equally "easy" to use. Put someone who is used to a passenger car behind the wheel of a big rig with 16 gears minimum and they'll be lucky to get the thing moving at all

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Dagmar:

The "easier" a GUI is, the fewer things it can do.

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spiderworm:

interesting perspectives

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nero:

the pro and con of linux is that most of the apps, distros, etc.. are made by developers who do things the way they want them done.. on the other hand Windows/OS X are written by corporations who do things the way consumers want them done..

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nero:

both have their plusses and minuses, but for your average home user, linux has a LOOOOOOONG way to go to catch up.

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Dagmar:

I'm not entirely convinced that making the OS match user expectations is the right thing to do.

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nero:

heh.. try being your Mom's tech support.. you will soon change your mind.. ;)

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Dagmar:

Certianly with increased user education and intelligence, the OS requires less modification because the user can actually express what it is they want

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Dagmar:

Dude, both my parents are definitely working their way into their second childhood.

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Dagmar:

The number of complex tasks they can perform has become a reduced set.

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Dagmar:

No amount of magical OS changes will make them able to construct something complex.

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Dagmar:

...and that's basically the core of the problem with most things that are blamed on user-interface problems.

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Dagmar:

The user, themselves, are simply not complex enough to be able to clearly express or even concieve of what it is that they want, and these things need to be concrete and complete notions to exist in the real world.

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nero:

Definitely.. that being said, you make it too "out there" and expect people to just magicially adapt to something they dont understand and never will, and you wont have many using computers..

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nero:

it needs to be a slow process.

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nero:

but yes, introducing some discomfort to make the tool adapt, is a good thing.. just not too much at once (ex- throwing a 60 year old a cli only linux box as their first computer ;) )

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Dagmar:

If that 60 year old could construct complex sentences, they actually could do pretty well

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mchou:

bmk789: I can tell you one thing.....One of my main reasons for moving to linux in a wholesale fashion was myth

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Dagmar:

One of the more astonishing things I've seen was an 80 year old woman who was regularly coding in C.

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nero:

and that is astonishing, but definitely the exception and not the rule..

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mchou:

bmk789: messing with multiple operation systems just became too much of an admin headache :)

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Dagmar:

...and C++. She had a learning disability even. What she *did* have was the ability to form concrete and complex thoughts and express them.

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mchou:

nero: <nero> both have their plusses and minuses, but for your average home user, linux has a LOOOOOOONG way to go to catch up.

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nero:

mchou, yes?

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mchou:

nero: That statement is false if windows users got nuked by virus

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Dagmar:

hehe he has you there

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nero:

Yeah.. and if windows went poof, I'd guess there would be a much larger migration to OS X than to windows..

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nero:

er.. to linux..

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nero:

my bad.

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mchou:

Dagmar: that's no joke

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Dagmar:

I suspect that's got something to do with the fact that with most LInux stuff, the developers are putting their names on the project.

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Dagmar:

If something catastrphic goes wrong with it, everyone knows exactly who to think of as an irresponsible asshole.

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Dagmar:

Windows? I hardly ever see people's names tagged onto that stuff

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confused:

except that Mr. Shareware guy :)

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Dagmar:

I would be perfectly happy if 3/4 of the Windows user-base switched to OSX overnight.

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mchou:

Dagmar: sure you do. They're in MSFT easter eggs

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Dagmar:

mchou: ...which only IT geeks know how to get at.

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mchou:

Dagmar: bs. google easter eggs

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Dagmar:

Being able to ferret that information out with some web searches and non-sensical command invocations is a far cry from being on the project's homepage and under Help->About

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mchou:

the only things linux needs RIGHT NOW are decent OCR and speech recognition

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Dagmar:

L&H screwed us on the latter

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mchou:

linux OCR suck eggs

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Dagmar:

IBM's got something going on there, but it's apparently not making much of a splash since I've seen very little using it since they announced it.

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mchou:

Dagmar: that's ancient

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mchou:

ViaVoice has long died

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mchou:

and I mean FOSS, not "commercial"

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Dagmar:

They've actually had something since then

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Dagmar:

It very much sucks that the Lennart & Hauspie stuff practically crumbled to dust when they got busted for embezzlement.

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mchou:

L&H got busted for embezzlement? When?

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Dagmar:

LIke almost a decade ago

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mchou:

L&H was crap anyways

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Dagmar:

This is why their stuff practically evaporated

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spiderworm:

um, hmmm how do i start up mythfrontend automagically on log in with kdm / fluxbox ?

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Dagmar:

spiderworm: Maybe stick it in your .xsessionrc

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nero:

or if you are running kde, put a script to launch everything in .kde/Autostart (IIRC)

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kayelem:

Just readin' the scrollback... it is of note that several of my friends switched their parents over to Linux – parents were happy as the box worked more reliably and still did the same things; my friends were happy as there was less work involved keeping the box running...

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Dagmar:

They were lucky

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spiderworm:

nero: well i was running kde before but I decided while setting up this box again that i want something more lightweight

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spiderworm:

Dagmar: i dont have that file in my home folder but i will try creating it

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Dagmar:

I'd have switched my parents over to Linux with a simplified UI, except they're both nuts about those damn online poker games.

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nero:

then as Dagmar said, your .xsessionrc file.

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kayelem:

sure, "average users" might have more hassle installing/configuring Linux, but when it's set up for them and someone else admins the box, less to go wrong.

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kayelem:

Saves one person a 200-mile round trip to sort out 'puter problems – ssh in and sort it from home.

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nero:

kayelem, I do that all the time on my parents OS X box.. ;)

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spiderworm:

hmmm i created an .xsessionrc file in my home dir and put a single line, 'mythfrontend' in the file, but it didnt work

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kayelem:

Linux is making inroads in the corporate desktop environment as well – if it's set upby the admins, the users not given root access; less downtime due to problems and less work for the admins.

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Dagmar:

spiderworm: Then you should ask in your distribution's channel what they did to override the .xsessionrc file

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spiderworm:

hehe, k thanks

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confused:

spiderworm: possibly .Xclients

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Dagmar:

spiderworm: It's *supposed* to be the file that's executed when the user is using xdm/kdm/gdm as a login manager, period.

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kayelem:

I wouldn't give my mum a set of install disks for some distro and leave her to it; but if my parents ever bothered to get a computer I'd set up a Linux box, with KDE set up with *just* the stuff they need in the menus; just because I've had it with looking after 'doze boxes.

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spiderworm:

anyone know off the top of their head for kubuntu?

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nero:

kayelem, that is great (setting up a linux box for parents/family members/etc), but how many people out there have an administrator for their home box?

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kayelem:

nero, true. It's something parents of geeks get the benefit of, though.

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nero:

bingo..

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Dagmar:

spiderworm: That would be a question for #kubuntu or #ubuntu

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skone:

I have knoppmyth running with a pundit board, and am using the audio out on the board with an adapter to my rca inputs on tv, and there is a loud hum in the background...any ideas?

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nero:

if it wasn't for my moms whole DVD/slideshow biz, I'd be all over setting her up with a linux kiosk basically.. ;)

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kayelem:

But then, think back several decades. clear division between admins and users. Linux is really still in the same place.

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Dagmar:

skone: Might well be a ground fault. Have you got all that stuff plugged into the same outlet, and is the outlet *properly grounded*?

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nero:

well.. I must get back to coding.. ack.. I really dont want to be working on this project right now..

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nero:

but must.. oh the things we do for money.. ;)

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Dagmar:

kayelem: The reason the two were separate there was that the users generall had zero education about how the computing center worked.

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kayelem:

Dagmar, and that's still true of Linux/unix admin – it's a more complex and powerful OS than windows; so is likely to *always* need a higher level of skill to admin.

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nero:

kayelem, on the complexity front, Id say windows has linux beat.. but that is a definite plus to linux..

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nero:

(windows is overly complex for no reason at all)

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Dagmar:

heh

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kayelem:

nero, well; bad choice of words... more a combination of flexibility and complexity. No two Linux boxes in this house are configured the same.

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kayelem:

Some are more different than two "different" installs of the same release of Windoews can be.

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nero:

stop distracting me guys.. I really gotta get back to work.. doh! ;)

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kayelem:

heh, ok, nero :)

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Gecko__:

Hey guys, anyone here running a PVR-500 with a Fusion5 Lite?

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SarahEmm:

no, but just curious, what's a fusion5?

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Gecko__:

DVICo ATSC card

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sfullenwider:

Hey, my programming in the program guide is off by an hour...IE programs it clams to start at 8 are actually starting at 9....is there a way to fix that?

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SarahEmm:

ahh cool

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** SarahEmm is not. plain bttv for me :) **

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Gecko__:

SUPPOSEDLY, it has built in kernel support, but it also has a bt878 NTSC chipset, and I guess bttv pisses off the ivtv driver. or something

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Gecko__:

programming guide? how's the date/time on the box?

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Gecko__:

and where do you get your guide data from?

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Gecko__:

score! pvr-500 seems to be working now (had to downgrade from gentoo 2.6.16 kernel to 2.6.15 vanilla)

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skullY:

sfullen: Is your timezone properly set?

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SarahEmm:

woohoo Gecko__!

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** SarahEmm waves **

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Kazan:

if i have DVDs with .avi/.mpeg/etc files on them

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Kazan:

how would i get them to show up in the media browser in myth (ie watch videos)

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Anduin:

Kazan: Turn on the "[some view] browses files" option.

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Kazan:

that is turned on

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SarahEmm:

won't mythvideo remove them once the DVD isn't in tho?

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Kazan:

yes

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Kazan:

i want it to dynamically list/delist them

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SarahEmm:

ahh...

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** SarahEmm doesn't have DVDs with mpg/avis so can't help much **

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Zider:

I do.. but I don't use them in myth tho. ;)

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Anduin:

Kazan: That should do it (as long as mythmedia monitor has the info, which may be the issue)

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Kazan:

mythmedia may not have it..

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Anduin:

SarahEmm: The browse files option reads everything live from the fs, it only (potentially) relies on the DB data for movie info.

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Kazan:

i'm not even sure i have mythmedia installed

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SarahEmm:

ahh okay

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** SarahEmm isnt' a big mythvideo user heh. mostly mythdvd or tv recording **

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Zider:

has anyone been able to compile mythstream 0.17?

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Anduin:

Kazan: mediamonitor is a feature of the frontend, it is a picky thing though.

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Kazan:

i have an extensive collection predating my mythTV usage

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Kazan:

Anduin: i imagine so

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Kazan:

automount is mounting DVDs at /media/<DVD_VOLUME_LABEL>

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Anduin:

Kazan: If your fstab doesn't look just right it won't work.

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Kazan:

ie the disk in right now is mouted at /media/B5_EPS1

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Zider:

Babylon 5?

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Kazan:

yes

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Zider:

ah

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Kazan:

what needs to be in the fstab anduin

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Anduin:

Kazan: I have to look at the code every time... if you give me several minutes I'll look (busy for the next few minutes)

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Kazan:

stick it in the wiki this time :D :P

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Kazan:

i'll look into getting a consistent mount location

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Anduin:

I don't wiki.

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Kazan:

holy frack they made this entirely dynamic

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k-man_:

how the hell do u reboot in Linux ? :)

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Kazan:

shutdown -r now

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Kazan:

as root

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Kazan:

ok i gotta go AFK – anduin just /msg me the answer

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k-man_:

thanks don't tell k-man_ i asked that under his name

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autojack:

I have LIRC set up to the point where I can run irw and it properly detects button presses from my remote, and I've created a .mythtv/lircrc file, but Myth seems to be ignoring the remote. what should I check to sort this out?

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Anduin:

autojack: You compiled myth with lirc support?

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autojack:

I installed it from packages on Fedora, but yeah I checked with ldd that mythfrontend had the support in it.

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Anduin:

autojack: Your ~/.mythtv/lircrc looks like the examples?

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autojack:

at first I had my lircrc in the wrong place, and I saw that mythfrontend was noting that it couldn't see it

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autojack:

so I moved it into .mythtv and now I don't see that error

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autojack:

yeah I actually grabbed the lircrc from a mailing list post of someone else who's using the same one

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autojack:

basically looks like this:

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autojack:

begin

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autojack:

prog = irxevent

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autojack:

button = CHUp

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autojack:

config = Key Up CurrentWindow

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autojack:

end

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autojack:

etc etc.

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Anduin:

autojack: prog is wrong for native lirc (should be mythtv)

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autojack:

when I make changes to the config, do I need to restart lircd and/or mythfrontend?

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autojack:

ohhhhhhh.

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autojack:

ok. yeah that post was a couple of years old.

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Anduin:

autojack: Also the keys are wrong, for native, so yeah, I think there is an example in contrib

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autojack:

cool cool.

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autojack:

let me look into that and see what I can do with it.

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autojack:

what's the deal on restarting things?

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Anduin:

If you just change ~/.mythtv/lircrc just restarting mythfrontend should be enough.

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autojack:

ok.

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autojack:

I don't actually see an example in the contrib dir.

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autojack:

oh here it is

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autojack:

in configfiles, not contrib. cool.

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autojack:

oh, that one uses irxevent also.

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Anduin:

autojack: look at the .native one(s)

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autojack:

oh for the hauppauge and such. got it.

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autojack:

NICE it works

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autojack:

thanks Anduin it would have taken me forever to figure that out :)

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Alien_Freak:

hi all

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Alien_Freak:

anyone know the url for data direct? I need to setup an account and google for once isn't complying

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hadees:

can anyone recommend a good indoor hdtv antenna. The stations are all about 3 miles away from me.

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Anduin:

Alien_Freak: It is in the guide somewhere (or labs.zap2it.com)

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Alien_Freak:

would zap2it work? or do I need data direct?

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Anduin:

Alien_Freak: Look at it.

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Alien_Freak:

k.. wil do

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Alien_Freak:

cool.. thx

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Alien_Freak:

i'm gonna give it a try

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Zider:

what does mythtv use for cd ripping?

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scales:

alright guys, i really do like mythtv, but it just is lacking in a few areas, i am hoping you all can help me with my few problems. here goes. 1. whenever i try and tweak my video card drivers via nvidia-settings, if i click on the glx section, it logs me out(i think it is restarting x), i have also had this same problem when i am using the music player. 2. when in mythtv, if i hold down say the down button on my remote c

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Agrajag-:

scales: we didn't get all of that. 1) is for #nvidia not this channel

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scales:

ok what didnt you get?

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scales:

i will ask the nvidia question in that channel

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scales:

but did you get the remote one?

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scales:

i have the same logging out problem in mythmusic sometimes, just when i start it up

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scales:

2. when in mythtv, if i hold down say the down button on my remote control, it only goes down once, does not scroll down, now i have played with the lircrc file, and made the "repeat" option =0 and it doesnt change it. any ideas/suggestions on this?

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Agrajag-:

you need to fix your repeat option, it does work

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scales:

what do i fix it to

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scales:

i tried 0

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scales:

it didnt fix it

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scales:

agrjag: what do i change it to?

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Agrajag-:

whatever makes it work

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Agrajag-:

read the docs

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scales:

which docs?

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Agrajag-:

the apache webserver ones

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Agrajag-:

... which do you think

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scales:

sorry i am a newb

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Zider:

hm, how do I get mythtv (or mythmusic) to look up an audio cd on cddb? it doesn't seem to do it by itself..

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Dagmar:

scales: Buy a remote control that actually keeps sending the signal when you hold the button down.

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dmz:

hey y'all, what is the default video player command line? I changed mine a while ago to use xine and now it isn't working (last upgrade is saving dvd's as .iso, causing xine to bork

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Zider:

dmz: bork how?

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dmz:

it doesn't play any files ending with .iso

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dmz:

what would anyone recommend these days anyway? mplayer/vlc/xine?

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Zider:

I use xine for everything now

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Zider:

especially dvd and iso

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dmz:

hmm

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dmz:

i have: xine -pqfh --no-splash %s

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Zider:

dvd://%s

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Zider:

works for isos

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dmz:

but the stuff in the directory isn't all .iso

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dmz:

it use to transcode into .vob

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Zider:

you mean it doesn't play anything?

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dmz:

those, .mpg & .avi fine

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dmz:

but .iso not fine

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Dagmar:

.iso files are not video files is why

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dmz:

ah i think i get it

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dmz:

i'm editing the video file associations

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dmz:

is there any way to use a player like when playing back regular recordings? I like being able to jump around like I can in that player

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Zider:

if there is, it'd be mentioned on the site..

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Zider:

I basically never use the "tv" part of myth tho

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Zider:

hm.. mythmusic seems to have problems accessing the cddb server(s).. for some reason.. takes forever to enter "import CD" and when I finally get in it hasn't got any info..

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jshriver:

Greetings I'm getting this error after installing

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jshriver:

Starting MythTV server: mythbackendSession management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed

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jshriver:

what is it?

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jshriver:

hrm.. in setup now

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jshriver:

what is Video source? asking about Data Direct?

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Dagmar:

Basically it wants to correlate the video coming in with some data that describes it

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Dagmar:

You want to name that your cable company or whatever for simplcity's sake

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Dagmar:

Data Direct (zap2it labs) being the people providing the program information

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Zider:

woo, I got mythmusic to look up cddb, finally :D

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kayelem:

hmm... odd; some previously recorded shows won't play.

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kayelem:

now, that's more odd... the recordings play ok on the frontend downstairs but not on the one I've just set up on OS X

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jshriver:

Do you have to run the mythtvfrontend all the time for it to record shows?

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jshriver:

I want to run MythTV but I dont want to dedicated the entire machine to it.. can it run in the background?

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kayelem:

only the backend needs to run 24/7 for recordings.

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Agrajag-:

jshriver: you run mythbackend in the background.. mythfrontend you can fire up when you want to watch something

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jshriver:

oh ok

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jshriver:

do i have to run mythfilldatabase all the time or will it do it itself.. basically in a cron job?

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alsoconfused:

jshriver: the backend can schedule it, or you can use cron

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jshriver:

k

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jshriver:

my card doesnt have mpeg in hardware.. can I still do this with only a 1.7ghz machine?

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nosatalian_:

easily

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Dagmar:

You won't be happy about it when it decides to record.

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jshriver:

well I work 8–16 hours a day, so it can sit and crunch lol.. just want to be able to record some shows so when I am home I can watch them.

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Zider:

woo, I just did my very first wiki edit

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jshriver:

congrats :)

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jshriver:

mediawiki?

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Zider:

mythtv wiki

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jshriver:

:)

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jshriver:

hrm how many days ahead does it go? seems like it's on the 4th right now

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Zider:

I figured The World should take part of my findings

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jshriver:

hehe

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Dagmar:

It can't really hurt

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jshriver:

hrm reading the website.. there's an xbox port interesting.. you'd think it would be very limited in processing power for such an application

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jshriver:

thanks everyone for the help

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Cardoe:

ugh.

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Cardoe:

I need an IR receiver module for my new myth box.

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Cardoe:

any suggestions?

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nero:

DIY?

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Dagmar:

Do It Yo-sef

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NightMonkey:

Cardoe: MyBlaster?

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NightMonkey:

Doh, reviever, not blaster.

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Cardoe:

I don't want a DIY

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Cardoe:

Has to be nice

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Cardoe:

I'd prefer something internal in my case

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hadees:

i like IRMan

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hadees:

the internal part depends on your case but most are external

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hadees:

i personally like using an RF remote

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hadees:

IR is too slow for me

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hadees:

Right now I am using the ATI 2 Remote but I was using the Niveus one which i liked better because it had IR also

[05:31:18]

hadees:

but the driver doesn't work in the newer kernels

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hadees:

and it has less buttons

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sphing:

anyone have any recommendations for a decent sata card?

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Cardoe:

hadees: I'd do RF too as long as I can hide it in the case

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hadees:

Cardoe, i tried RF in the case and what I found (in a metal case) was RF sucked, i needed to put it on the outside

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Hoxzer:

Somebody here knows how to provide Debug info with GDB

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mottz:

Hey all! just thought id jump on for a few to express my ultimate satisfaction with MythTV!

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gardengnome:

mottz: did you hook it up to an http://www.opendildonics.org/index.html device? ;)

[06:36:35]

Hoxzer:

aargh how do I know if I have debug info?

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mottz:

not hooked up to anything yet, it's still sitting on my desk. I just got it up and running and check out the myth UI, got Firefly remote working and started loading some images to the gallery . I need a low pro VCC to finish it up .

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Anduin:

Hoxzer: When it is there you'll know it.

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Hoxzer:

Anduin: :E eh

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Hoxzer:

Anduin: I just recompiled with ./configure --prefix=/usr --enable-dvb --compile-type=debug

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mottz:

I havnt looked for one yet... recommend a vendor?

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gardengnome:

low pro VCC?

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mottz:

Y

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gardengnome:

what does that mean? low profile video capture card?

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mottz:

you got it!

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gardengnome:

*sigh* i've never heard this abbreviation before in here

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gardengnome:

anyways, there's a low profile version of the hauppauge pvr 150

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Hoxzer:

Anduin so my steps to build mythtv is -> ./confiugre --prefix=/usr --enable-dvb --compile-type=debug -> export QTDIR=/usr/share/qt3 -> qmake mythtv.pro -> make -> sudo make install

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mottz:

I set this up on an Intel ISP 1100 p3 600

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Hoxzer:

isn't that right?

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mottz:

I guess I made it up :)

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mottz:

sweet Ill look that up.

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gardengnome:

mottz: i found it via geizhals.at/de: 'Hauppauge WinTV PVR 150LP MCE, low profile, bulk (1088)'

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mottz:

The card that is

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gardengnome:

the model number might vary.

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Hoxzer:

why is hauppauge so popular with mythtv?

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gardengnome:

Hoxzer: their cards are well-supported and provide good quality.

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gardengnome:

well, their ivtv stuff at least.

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gardengnome:

minus the usb devices.

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Dagmar:

Pretty much.

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Dagmar:

THey work great. We like functionality. :)

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mottz:

I only wish I had a better machine!

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Hoxzer:

I wish I could have debug info !

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mottz:

for what? (debug)

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gardengnome:

i wish i didn't have to go to school. see ya later guys, i gotta get educated ;)

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mottz:

thatl learn ya'

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Hoxzer:

School this time of year

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Hoxzer:

:E

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sloncho:

hi. ubunty dapper, mythtv .19-fixes, compiled from source. tried to install mythweb, but still receive 404 nof found when i hit myserver/mythweb/

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sloncho:

cpied the mythweb dir from plugins to /var/web/myrhweb

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sloncho:

changed permissions. edited sites-enabled/default to contain the AllowOverride all

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Hoxzer:

Anduin: ?

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sloncho:

edited /var/www/mythweb/.htaccess – uncommented the rewrite line to /mythweb

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sloncho:

still 404

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ru:

RemoteEncoder::openControlSocket(): Connection timed out.

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ru:

I am getting this error when trying to watch tv on myth

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ru:

I am connecting to a remote backend

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LoneShadow:

anyone using centos or redhat ?

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Dagmar:

Why in god's name would they want to do that?

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Hoxzer:

how do I see when mythtv was last compiled?

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Dagmar:

Umm... ls -al /usr/bin/mythtv-setup maybe?

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Dagmar:

Or /usr/bin/mythfrontend. Doesn't really matter which binary

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Hoxzer:

eh

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Hoxzer:

ok ...

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Dagmar:

The modification date on the file, man.

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Hoxzer:

:D interesting

[07:01:57]

Hoxzer:

how do I check which day does my box think it is

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LoneShadow:

date

[07:02:19]

Hoxzer:

:D

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Hoxzer:

like may 7 was it compiled

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Dagmar:

By example: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root bin 1419284 2006-06–20 22:36 /usr/bin/mythfrontend*

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Hoxzer:

seems like knoppmyth has changed since my last install

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Hoxzer:

Might explain few things

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ru:

Anyone know why I would be getting "RemoteEncoder::openControlSocket(): Connection timed out."

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ru:

Trying to connect to mythbackend remotely

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ru:

Here is the full log

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ru:

http://pastebin.ca/71854

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ru:

If someone could have a look and give me a hand it would be appreciated

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Anduin:

ru: You are missing guide data.

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ru:

How do you mean exactly?

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Anduin:

I mean the guide info, you are missing it.

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Hoxzer:

Anduin: are you trying to avoid my questions :(

[07:24:55]

Anduin:

The schedule, the bit that says at 7 your favorite show (Project Runway, I won't judge) is on.

[07:25:22]

Anduin:

Hoxzer: I was taking a shower, part of getting ready for bed.

[07:25:46]

Hoxzer:

Maan, stay up

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Hoxzer:

you need to help me

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Hoxzer:

Anduin so my steps to build mythtv is -> ./confiugre --prefix=/usr --enable-dvb --compile-type=debug -> export QTDIR=/usr/share/qt3 -> qmake mythtv.pro -> make -> sudo make install

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Anduin:

Hoxzer: I tried and failed earlier, I have no reason this will be the lucky time.

[07:26:39]

Anduin:

Yes, I read the scrollback.

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Hoxzer:

:(

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Anduin:

There was a to think somewhere in that previous one.

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Anduin:

Hoxzer: So what did the ls tell you?

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Hoxzer:

:D well ...

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Hoxzer:

may 7 it was edited

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Hoxzer:

so .... it is pretty wierd

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Anduin:

It is no longer may.

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Dagmar:

mythwelcome?

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Dagmar:

mm... I never noticed this one before

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Dagmar:

Anyone know what it does or do I have to wait until I get home to dork with it?

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Anduin:

Hoxzer: so, the build, was it even successful?

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Anduin:

Dagmar: It was introduced when the "power down my backend when it isn't doing anything" thing was checked in. It basically gives you a backend status and allows you to launch the frontend.

[07:30:27]

Anduin:

(or so I understand, I don't actually use it)

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ru:

Anduin: So you mean my program guides have messed up the TV?

[07:31:11]

Anduin:

ru: No, I mean not having program information for a certain channel at a certain time is a fatal condition. Go look at your program guide for that time/channel.

[07:31:45]

Dagmar:

Ah thanks. I'll have to poke at it some for sure when I get home now

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ru:

Anduin: How do I know what channel it is?

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ru:

Anduin: Would this error also cause it so my myth at home running the backendwouldnt be able to connect?

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Anduin:

ru: Check the backend logs.

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ru:

kk

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Hoxzer:

Anduin: well I had cuple of errors in the end of sudo make install but isn't that just normal?

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Anduin:

ru: Another possability is that yeah, the backend is in a funky state and isn't accepting playback connections.

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Anduin:

Hoxzer: Not really, during build is where you'd really look first. Last time I had you check for a file that should have been built it wasn't there, so I'm tempted to think your build is just failing and you are failing to notice.

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Hoxzer:

:o

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Hoxzer:

well How long are you going to stay up

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Hoxzer:

because I can do recompile and paste few things to you

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Anduin:

Hoxzer: Only as long as it takes the other person to find their glasses (which could be a long time, but hopefully will not be).

[07:37:26]

Anduin:

Hoxzer: Luckily there are other people here (and on the mailing list) who have successfully built myth before.

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ru:

I dont see anything in the backend

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Anduin:

ru: Is now a bad time to restart it?

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ru:

wait i think i may have installed the wrong version of the frontend

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ru:

"Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION"

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ru:

How do i check my frontend is 0.19?

[07:40:11]

Anduin:

ru: mythfrontend --version

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Dagmar:

Hoxzer: Don't sweat the time thing. I'm at the office for another five hours yet and I build the stuff from source code.

[07:41:20]

Dagmar:

It just might take upwards of ten minutes to get my attention sometimes.

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Dagmar:

s/upwards/up to/;

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Dagmar:

Even if Anduin wanders off I can probably sort it

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Anduin:

Hoxzer: See, it is all working out, goodnight.

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Hoxzer:

http://pastebin.de/8055 Dagmar ... Isn't this succesful?

[07:42:32]

Dagmar:

You have to be kidding me

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ru:

http://pastebin.ca/71864

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Dagmar:

You're sure you didn't typo that number?

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ru:

I get a whole lot of errors?

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Anduin:

Dagmar: Good luck, you will need it :)

[07:43:02]

Dagmar:

Hint: Anything ending like "make: *** [sub-libs] Error 2" is not considered a success.

[07:43:12]

Hoxzer:

:)

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Dagmar:

Anduin: Hah hah.

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Hoxzer:

:DD

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Hoxzer:

I'm not that baad

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Dagmar:

LIne 7 should scare the hell out of you

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Dagmar:

"svq1.c:832: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault"

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Hoxzer:

So the problems is with compiler now?

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Dagmar:

Not necessarily. If you run make again without doing anything else, do you get the same error?

[07:44:26]

Dagmar:

You'd better hope you do

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Hoxzer:

lets see

[07:45:13]

Hoxzer:

do I make a disclean?

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Dagmar:

If you don't you might as well just take the RAM out of the box and set it on fire or something. Maybe use it to scrape old parking decals off your car, because it's doing you no good in the computer anymore.

[07:45:43]

Dagmar:

Nope. Just run `make` again and see if it comes up with the same problem.

[07:45:47]

Dagmar:

Should happen relatively quickly.

[07:46:00]

Dagmar:

Anything that says "internal compiler error" is very very bad

[07:46:16]

Dagmar:

*Especially* with gcc 3.3.x

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Hoxzer:

this will take a while

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Dagmar:

Just a sanity check, you aren't actually attempting to *use* distcc are you?

[07:47:37]

Dagmar:

It looks like it's gracefully bailing there, but that might not have been what it was saying 20 lines ago

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Hoxzer:

well I'm not attempting to use it at least I'm not aware of it

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Dagmar:

Okay. Fair enough then.

[07:50:04]

Dagmar:

It's probably doing the right thing and not messing with your build then.

[07:50:56]

Dagmar:

There's a very, very small chance that it's causing a problem, but it's practically miniscule

[07:51:22]

Dagmar:

What version of gcc are you using on that box anyway? (gcc --version). I'm hoping it's 3.3.6

[07:51:30]

Hoxzer:

http://pastebin.ca/71866

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Hoxzer:

:)

[07:51:55]

Hoxzer:

this is going just great

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Dagmar:

Actually, I'm hoping it's not 3.3.6 now. If it's 3.3.6 that shoots down the "see if there's a newer package of it"

[07:52:13]

Dagmar:

Oh crap this isn't good man.

[07:52:25]

Dagmar:

Here's the deal

[07:52:30]

Dagmar:

Computers run on science.

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Hoxzer:

ok?

[07:52:49]

Dagmar:

They seldom do anything (expecially with respect to processing data) that could be construed as "random" or "unpredictable".

[07:53:16]

Dagmar:

When you get things that are "randomly" crashing ad *different points* in the build process, the cause is usually hardware failure.

[07:53:39]

Dagmar:

I *strongly* recommend grabbing a copy of memtest86 from anywhere and letting it run overnight checking out your memory.

[07:53:48]

Dagmar:

...or if you're overclocking that machine, stop doing so now.

[07:53:49]

Hoxzer:

...lol

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mchou:

Hoxzer: most likely you memory is screwed

[07:53:59]

mchou:

your*

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Hoxzer:

:D wtf now it is my ram

[07:54:14]

Hoxzer:

this is getting interesting

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Dagmar:

Hoxzer: no, it was likely _always_ your RAM. It's just that now it's done it in front of people who recognize that for what it is

[07:54:36]

Dagmar:

http://www.memtest86.com/

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mchou:

it's most like HW issue

[07:54:50]

mchou:

likely*

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Dagmar:

Either that or your CPU is overheating because you've been a bad boy and have let the cooler get all clogged up with dust or the fan died and you never noticed

[07:55:10]

mchou:

Hoxzer: what mobo and CPU?

[07:55:45]

mchou:

Dagmar: I find memtest to be useless except for the most crass memory errors

[07:55:51]

mottz:

I'm checking out a new DVDRW, this looks like the one i'd like.. Any feed back on it? compatiblity, etc... http://www.dfwdepot.com/dvd-ram/index.php?mai . . . ducts_id=143

[07:55:52]

Dagmar:

At least memtest86 is a very small download, and incredibly easy to run. You just boot whatever you downloaded (cdrom or floppy) and go to sleep.

[07:56:00]

Hoxzer:

mchou: I never remeber my mobo (some msi neo-2v or something :/) and CPU intel pentium 2.4Ghz

[07:56:17]

mchou:

Hoxzer: lspci ought to tell ya

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Dagmar:

mchou: I've never had it fail to pick out bad ram letting it run overnight.

[07:56:26]

mchou:

Dagmar: I have

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mchou:

Dagmar: many many times

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Dagmar:

You've got some evil spirits in your house if you have RAM faillures that often

[07:56:59]

mchou:

Dagmar: lol

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Hoxzer:

Geez

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mchou:

Dagmar: no, just oxidation :)

[07:57:12]

Hoxzer:

I have to grab my box to my room

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Hoxzer:

...

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Dagmar:

In the last ten years I've had three sticks fail, and have used it to spot RAM failures another four times on friends' machines

[07:57:38]

Dagmar:

Sulfur water?

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mchou:

Dagmar: you arent listening

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mchou:

Dagmar: oxidation

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mchou:

Dagmar: noting a good eraser couldnt fix

[07:58:30]

mchou:

nothing*

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Dagmar:

Unless you're talking about extrememly rapid oxidization (ie., the machine caught fire) I don't see a lot of difference between a chip going bad and the terminals corroding.

[07:58:48]

Dagmar:

Either way the memory is fuxored. One's just more fixable than the other. ;)

[07:59:10]

mchou:

Dagmar: point is memtest couldnt pick up on it :)

[07:59:11]

Dagmar:

Areas with sulfur springs tend to be very very bad places to have computers.

[07:59:36]

mchou:

sulfur had nothing to do w/it

[07:59:40]

Dagmar:

Unprotected metal corrodes at a ludicrous rate.

[08:00:12]

Hoxzer:

:/ geez it is morning here atm

[08:00:21]

Hoxzer:

I need to check that when I get home

[08:00:21]

mchou:

Hoxzer: msi suck balls too

[08:00:35]

Dagmar:

ECS FTW!

[08:00:35]

Hoxzer:

mchou: :P

[08:00:37]

Dagmar:

*snicker*

[08:00:51]

mchou:

FTW?

[08:01:09]

Dagmar:

Wow you've never seen FTW before? It's an asian-ism for "For The Win"

[08:01:11]

mchou:

what that?

[08:01:45]

Hoxzer:

well I have two ram .... "combs"

[08:02:01]

Hoxzer:

so If it is only with one Ram I can just remove other

[08:02:16]

mchou:

Hoxzer: yup

[08:02:28]

mchou:

Hoxzer: isolate & debug :)

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Dagmar:

BTW it's only old CPUs that can be used as brushes, not combs. Old RAM is only good for bookmarks for books you don't particularly want to treat well. ;)

[08:14:18]

Dagmar:

I used to use a P-120 on my goatee.

[08:14:46]

ru:

Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION 'MYTH_PROTO_VERSION

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ru:

What does that mean?

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mchou:

ru: it either means you have mismatching versions of myth or you didnt set a real ip addr in mythtv-setup

[08:16:38]

ru:

oh

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ru:

hm

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ru:

Damnit, how can i check all my myth versions?

[08:22:26]

ru:

there must be a conflict somewhere?

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mchou:

ru: you dont say? :)

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Hoxzer:

http://mitty.jp/orz/files/2005/07/13/1.png <- guys is this baad?

[08:42:55]

Hoxzer:

http://www.kberg.ch/qemu/memtest.png

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Hoxzer:

^^ not my comp though

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henkpoley_:

Hoxzer: yes, it means there are memory problems

[08:46:43]

henkpoley_:

The linux kernel has some commandline options to ignore those memory areas

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Dagmar:

henkpoley_: They dont' happen without the badmem patches

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henkpoley_:

BadRAM you mean ?

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Dagmar:

...and usually creating the maps necessary is more trouble than it would be to just buy more RAM.

[08:49:48]

henkpoley_:

jup.. that's right Dagmar

[08:53:15]

Dagmar:

I've been there, tried that, made quick with my credit card instead.

[08:53:40]

Dagmar:

Three hours of screwing around to save $25 didnt' seem to make a lot of sense to me

[08:54:15]

henkpoley_:

Does somebody here have experience in debugging mythtv recording/livetv performance problems? (yes DMA is on..)

[08:54:59]

henkpoley_:

..it used to work fine, going back to that kernel still has choppyness and audiohickups .. :-/

[08:55:50]

henkpoley_:

I use an saa7134 card, didn't change recording settings

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henkpoley_:

just cleaned my mythtv PC, didn't help either

[08:57:56]

henkpoley_:

root filesystem is not full either..

[08:59:32]

henkpoley_:

dropping to lowest mpeg4 recording settings still has choppyness

[08:59:58]

henkpoley_:

built a non-preempt kernel.. choppyness

[09:08:17]

henkpoley_:

oh yeah, and I tried fiddling with pci latency, I could make the choppyness worse that way :-P

[09:08:53]

henkpoley_:

..I have 45%-25% idle cpu on LiveTV depending on recording settings.. so that's not it either

[09:09:38]

henkpoley_:

No warnings, errors or oopses in the logs

[09:09:49]

mchou:

henkpoley_: myth is not meant for watching livetv

[09:10:09]

mchou:

in other words the devs didnt put much effort in solving this issue

[09:10:24]

mchou:

you wanna livetv, use tvtime

[09:10:39]

henkpoley_:

problem is, when I record and my sister plays back some stuff it stuffs up the recording

[09:10:56]

mchou:

huh??

[09:10:59]

henkpoley_:

so actually.. I don't want livetv

[09:11:13]

henkpoley_:

I want to have a nive recording

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mchou:

stuffs up the recording?

[09:11:42]

henkpoley_:

yeah, with the same choppyness and audio drops like I have in LiveTV

[09:11:54]

mchou:

you're making no sense

[09:12:15]

henkpoley_:

1. MythTV is recording something

[09:12:38]

henkpoley_:

2. at the same time someone plays back something on the frontend

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henkpoley_:

result: choppy recording

[09:12:58]

henkpoley_:

yes ?

[09:13:21]

henkpoley_:

the frontend and backend are the same machine

[09:13:30]

mchou:

so? you're io bound or cpu bound

[09:13:38]

mchou:

end of story

[09:13:53]

henkpoley_:

nope

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henkpoley_:

25% idle

[09:14:02]

henkpoley_:

CPU

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mchou:

shit

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qu0zl:

what version are you using henkpoley_? I have similar problems with .19

[09:14:16]

henkpoley_:

3 days ago it worked

[09:14:17]

qu0zl:

.18.1 worked perfectly

[09:14:32]

henkpoley_:

I have 0.19-r{something}

[09:14:42]

henkpoley_:

didn't update mythtv recently

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mchou:

I've had no such issues with 0.19-fixes

[09:15:03]

henkpoley_:

only updated the kernel then the choppyness started

[09:15:11]

henkpoley_:

booted with older kernel

[09:15:16]

henkpoley_:

still the same choppyness

[09:15:19]

henkpoley_:

cold booted

[09:15:23]

henkpoley_:

same choppyness

[09:16:02]

henkpoley_:

unplugged the PC, pressed power button to whipe last bit of electricity, booted with old kernel: choppyness

[09:16:50]

henkpoley_:

I can compile stuff fine, the system is very stable

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mchou:

lol

[09:17:18]

henkpoley_:

mchou: ?

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mchou:

you can tell whether a system is "stable" by compiling?

[09:17:57]

mchou:

you have a rather low bar for "stable"

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henkpoley_:

hmm, okay.. it's not unstable

[09:18:22]

henkpoley_:

and I never had any oopses or anything like that in the last 1.5 years

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mchou:

that doesnt mean kernels you used didnt have issues

[09:19:34]

henkpoley_:

previously the choppyness was usually caused by mythtv updating the tvguide

[09:21:38]

henkpoley_:

The only thing the backend outputs is "[mpeg4 @ 0xb74ecf40]removing common factors from framerate" when it starts LiveTV (or any recording, I think..)

[09:21:56]

henkpoley_:

But that doesn't seem to be an error or warning

[09:22:37]

henkpoley_:

P4 Thermal Throtling warning has been enabled in the kernel, also doesn't show up in the logs

[09:23:15]

henkpoley_:

mchou: know anything else to check ?

[09:24:08]

mchou:

yeah, go buy a HW encoder

[09:24:17]

mchou:

end of headache

[09:24:19]

henkpoley_:

hehe

[09:24:34]

henkpoley_:

let's find one that fits in an Asus Pundit

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henkpoley_:

the usual PVR-x50 seem to be too long, AFAIK

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mchou:

there is a low profile pvr150 ppl have used

[09:25:44]

mchou:

requires mod

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henkpoley_:

And it 1/4 my storage capacity (in hours)

[09:26:15]

henkpoley_:

also kind of meh..

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Dibblah:

Heh. I had to mod my 14 bay server case so I could fit all 4 tuners in :)

[09:26:18]

henkpoley_:

but well..

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Dibblah:

PCI -> PCI bridges are wonderful little things :)

[09:26:49]

mchou:

henkpoley_: you some kind of cheapskate?? :)

[09:26:57]

mchou:

henkpoley_: storage is cheap

[09:27:31]

henkpoley_:

It already has 160GB, and extra space would need to be external

[09:27:35]

Dibblah:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Chenbro-3-Port-32-Bit-R . . . cmdZViewItem

[09:27:38]

pmaciver:

Hello people I have a problem where my mythtv installation keeps locking up my machine when ever I try and watch live tv, I am running gentoo and have an Athlon 1.8 processor, any help would be appricated

[09:27:53]

mchou:

sigh

[09:28:17]

Dibblah:

pmwhatever: Have you run memtest against it?

[09:28:20]

mchou:

why do ppl insist on being studpid

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henkpoley_:

mchou: me ? :-P

[09:28:45]

Dibblah:

mchou: Me sorry. Me try be less dumb in future.

[09:28:50]

Dibblah:

;)

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Dagmar:

Sounds more like there's a serious problem with ivtv if LiveTV is breaking the machine

[09:29:08]

pmaciver:

No I haven't. What is a memtest and how I initiate it?

[09:29:22]

mchou:

no, sounds like pebcak if the dud is using gentoo

[09:29:22]

Dagmar:

www.memtest86.com

[09:29:27]

Dibblah:

http://www.memtest.org/

[09:29:30]

mchou:

dude*

[09:29:35]

Dagmar:

...but it's doubtful there's a RAM problem that would manifest quite like that

[09:29:59]

Dibblah:

Yeay, or that one.

[09:30:29]

Dagmar:

They're basically the same program

[09:30:50]

Dibblah:

pmaciver: Are you using a encoder card (PVRx50, etc) or a dumb capture card?

[09:30:51]

pmaciver:

What are common reasons for machines locking up in your opinion then?

[09:31:11]

pmaciver:

I am using a DVB-T USB stick

[09:31:26]

Dagmar:

Having the driver completely screwed up

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Dibblah:

Video card / driver?

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pmaciver:

Ummm Radeon 9200

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Dagmar:

Tuner card driver, in this case

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Dagmar:

That's where my money is, regardless of whether or not I think ATI is the devil

[09:33:06]

Dibblah:

Not necessarily.

[09:33:23]

Dibblah:

When you say lockup, can you ping the box?

[09:34:37]

pmaciver:

I haven't tried, my bluetooth device keeps operating as normal, but before it locked up I went to anther virtual terminal window and it said something about teh CPU

[09:34:52]

pmaciver:

and then locked up

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Dagmar:

Oh, something about the CPU. That's pretty specific.

[09:35:38]

pmaciver:

Yeah I know sorry, I'm at work at the moment and I haven't got my home computer avaliable at the moment

[09:36:01]

Dagmar:

I know that feeling

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henkpoley_:

Dagmar: don't be such a pain in the ass (please..) the guy can't help it he's new to linux

[09:36:21]

pmaciver:

I'm not new to Linux

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mchou:

haha!!

[09:36:29]

pmaciver:

Now I know that the DVB-T device works because I can view TV through it Xine

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Dagmar:

Not trying to be a pain in the ass. I'm trying to downplay the seriousness of the probem so he won't get spooked and give up

[09:36:47]

Dagmar:

pmaciver: Okay, that's useful info for sure

[09:36:48]

Dibblah:

Hey! It's the Linux way to be demonstratively superior to... Well. Everyone, really.

[09:36:52]

mchou:

Dagmar: huh??

[09:37:46]

Dagmar:

...and I'm not talking about giving up on getting help. I'm talking about not giving up on *thinking about the problem*. He's the one closest to the hardware with the most information.

[09:37:59]

pmaciver:

I don't give up easily, I dedicated quite a few weeks to get freevo working, but I didn't like the way that worked

[09:38:04]

Dagmar:

This would make him to be the most likely candidate for having a eureka moment and figuring it out

[09:38:19]

mchou:

Dagmar: lol

[09:38:48]

mchou:

Dagmar: Eureka moment is: "WTF am I using gentoo?"

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Dagmar:

lol

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pmaciver:

LOL, what's wrong with gentoo? What distro do you use?

[09:39:33]

mchou:

pmaciver: if you need to ask, then you have "issues"

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pmaciver:

LOL

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Dagmar:

Personally, having a machine lock up hard with no entrails left to examine would make my hair stand right on end.

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pmaciver:

And waht distro do you use?

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mchou:

I use whatever suits me, and that's virtually everything except gentoo

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henkpoley_:

mchou: there's not much wrong with gentoo.. why fight distro wars here?

[09:41:25]

Dagmar:

henkpoley_: Because the flowers need fresh blood to grow all tall and pretty

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pmaciver:

lol, ok I think that I'll leave that one alone

[09:41:31]

mchou:

henkpoley_: who is fighting distro war??

[09:42:05]

mchou:

henkpoley_: fact is right know the dude is in some quantum "environment"

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mchou:

s/know/now

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mchou:

nobody can diagnose wtf the problem is cause the system is in LA LA land

[09:42:52]

pmaciver:

So back to my problem, seeing as the device works withing Xine can I rule out the driver as being teh problem?

[09:43:03]

Dagmar:

Pretty much

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henkpoley_:

pmaciver: if you have a fresh installation you could simply try another distro, that's right

[09:43:35]

Dagmar:

Do you have more than one machine at your place you can use at once? It's likely that just the X display is locking up, not the whole machine

[09:43:59]

Dagmar:

If you're ssh'd into the box watching the logs and such, there's a *lot* that can potentially be done to troubleshoot the problem.

[09:44:48]

pmaciver:

I have 2 machines, but one is a windows box (I know I know). But it isn't a fresh install I have been using it since the begining of the year

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Dagmar:

It'll work. Get putty or something so you can ssh into your Linux box

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Dagmar:

The ssh session shouldn't be affected in the least by the display freezing

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pmaciver:

ok I'll try that

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pmaciver:

Would but one of the times that it did freez I was on a virtual console at the command line, would X lock this up as well if it was just X playing up?

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Dagmar:

Yeah, X has a real knack for screwing up the video card

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Dagmar:

:)

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mchou:

screw that

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mchou:

sysrq magic

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Dagmar:

This is why I'm saying you wanna be ssh'd in from another machine

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pmaciver:

ok, so if it does turn out that X is misbehaving, what can be done?

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Dagmar:

We find out what's been misconfigured or is goign wrong and we fixor it

[09:48:17]

Dagmar:

Nothing major to that

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pmaciver:

ok, sounds fine

[09:48:50]

pmaciver:

Only wish I had worked from home today so that I could get it sorted

[09:50:34]

pmaciver:

So just on another topic all together, what do you think of freevo?

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mchou:

sigh

[09:50:51]

pmaciver:

lol

[09:50:59]

pmaciver:

is that an answer

[09:51:00]

mchou:

pmaciver: mn, use some common sense

[09:51:20]

pmaciver:

why do you say that?

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Dagmar:

I've never used it

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pmaciver:

ok

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mchou:

pmaciver: cause wtf would you as about #windows in a #linux channel? :)

[09:52:20]

mchou:

ask*

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pmaciver:

I didn't

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mchou:

pmaciver: you might as well have

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pmaciver:

And why do you say that then?

[09:53:18]

mchou:

sigh....

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mchou:

pmaciver: yo DO have issues

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pmaciver:

Well then you are going to have to explain this "issues" to me.

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Dagmar:

Dude, look at the name of the channel you are in.

[09:54:19]

Dagmar:

Note that it includes the string "MythTV".

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Dagmar:

Note that nowhere in there is there even an "F" for "Freevo"

[09:54:51]

Dagmar:

That's what he's talkin' about

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pmaciver:

Ok, I just asked a simple question just to see what you thought about other software, I didn't think that it was that much of a big deal

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mchou:

Dagmar: yeah, thanks for spellin' it out for him :)

[09:56:04]

Dagmar:

Considering that I bought a PVR-500 so I could record two channels at once, and Freevo doesn't do that at all...

[09:56:55]

Dagmar:

It's not a "big deal" but it's definitely off-topic

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pmaciver:

I did say that it was off topic in the question

[09:57:27]

pmaciver:

But forget about it

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pmaciver:

I'll stick to the issue at hand

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Dagmar:

Damn if I don't get off this night shift soon I'm going to have to eBay myself a leather coat with sleeves that tie in the abck

[09:58:49]

mchou:

haha!!

[09:59:03]

pmaciver:

So are you a developer on MythTV then?

[09:59:04]

mchou:

Dagmar: who is gonna tie it for ya?

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mchou:

Dagmar: just reserve a padded room :)

[09:59:44]

Dagmar:

I'm sure I can get someone to come over from the hospital to help with that part

[09:59:56]

mchou:

Dagmar: nope, that's catch-22

[10:00:15]

Dagmar:

Well then I'll have to use a slip knot and just catch one end in the door or something

[10:00:26]

mchou:

Dagmar: if you can get someone from the hospital that means you are not yet certifiable

[10:00:53]

Dagmar:

The hospital is less than a block away. Trust me it's pretty easy to get them here

[10:01:54]

mchou:

nah, I'll just do my Hannibal Lecter impression :)

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mchou:

fava beans with chianti

[10:03:02]

Dagmar:

I have a sense of fair play.

[10:03:04]

mchou:

with Bach playing in the background

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Dagmar:

This city couldn't handle it if I went serial killer on the,

[10:03:33]

Dagmar:

I was enough of a problem when I was just pranking tourists

[10:04:19]

Dagmar:

<-- has been thrown out of the Wild Horse Saloon. ;)

[10:04:22]

mchou:

man, that was one classic movie

[10:04:38]

mchou:

book sucked, but movie was great

[10:04:42]

Dagmar:

Yep

[10:07:23]

Dagmar:

Speaking of things local, I was very disappointed to find that http://www.flickr.com/photos/timandsusan2002/170490804/ is apparently an ad campaign, and not one of the new electronic billboards here having been hacked.

[10:08:04]

Dagmar:

I saw that around 3am a few nights ago and couldn't stop laughing until I got home. I was worried some cop was going to pull me over.

[10:08:19]

mchou:

Dagmar: huh??

[10:08:44]

mchou:

Dagmar: wtf is tim & susan?

[10:08:47]

Dagmar:

Large, fancy, expensive, multicolor electronic billboard, all red, with the words "I pooted." on it in giant letters.

[10:09:25]

Dagmar:

I mentioned it to one of my other miscreants and they told me they'd seen it, thought the same thing, and then someone told them it was an actual ad

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mchou:

ad for what?

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Dagmar:

Some cartoon or other

[10:10:05]

mchou:

supositories?

[10:10:31]

Dagmar:

I'm going to have to find out how those billboards are updated tho

[10:10:59]

Dagmar:

Something like that would just be too, too sweet to get control of for a moment or three

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Dagmar:

If you could goatse something like that during rush hour... tee heee

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mchou:

Dagmar: I dont get it

[10:12:25]

mchou:

what so funny about the ad?

[10:12:53]

Dagmar:

How often do you see a fifty foot billboard, particularly the expensive ones that show full motion video and so forth, displaying something as inane as "I pooted."

[10:12:57]

mchou:

you see a billboard that says "I farted", why would that even be so funny?

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mchou:

Dagmar: you're way too easily amused

[10:13:39]

Dagmar:

Actually, I think "farted" would be less funny than "pooted", but that's digressing.

[10:14:25]

Dagmar:

No, I just like seeing the usual channels of "BUYOURSTUFFNOWORYOURLIFEISWORTHLESSBUYITBUYITBUYIT" being subverted for something pointless

[10:15:10]

Dagmar:

...because it can be really, really pointless and still not be as bad as subtly insulting everyone who sees it

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mchou:

oh shit

[10:18:08]

mchou:

"Spare the Air" day tomorrow

[10:18:16]

mchou:

free mass transit

[10:18:22]

mchou:

all freaking day

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Dagmar:

Good idea

[10:18:46]

Dagmar:

I didn't think much of mass-transit until I moved to San Francisco.

[10:18:58]

Dagmar:

Now I'm pretty much of the opinion that cities without it have a serious problem.

[10:19:06]

mchou:

Dagmar: lol, then wait till you move to NYC

[10:19:35]

mchou:

I'm gonna take the day off tomorrow

[10:19:53]

mchou:

go to the art museum :)

[10:20:12]

mchou:

look at the cute chicks

[10:20:38]

Dagmar:

You should try dealing with the traffic in Atlanta sometime. They have farking *eight lanes* of interstate going both ways going all through the city and it's not enough

[10:20:42]

Dagmar:

Lovely lovely air

[10:21:05]

mchou:

didnt realize ATL was that bad

[10:21:11]

Dagmar:

It's crazy

[10:21:23]

mchou:

sounds worse than LA

[10:21:36]

Dagmar:

Nashville's got a lot of three and four lane segments now, and the sky is starting to turn brown

[10:22:05]

Dagmar:

SF had way more people in a smaller area and nowhere near these kinds of issues

[10:22:31]

Dagmar:

Mass transit in Nashville amounts to being able to hourly catch a bus to and from the ghettos and/or malls

[10:22:38]

mchou:

it's because of the density that SF has no such issues

[10:22:55]

Dagmar:

Exactly.

[10:22:56]

mchou:

if the place were more spread out, more ppl wanna drive

[10:23:06]

Dagmar:

Being spread out is a problem.

[10:23:23]

Dagmar:

Once you're out of downtown Nashville, nothing's much higher than three stories, and it goes that way for, well, counties

[10:23:43]

Dagmar:

So you pretty much have to drive, since the mass-transit is nearly nonexistant

[10:25:24]

Dagmar:

It makes traffic hell, and pollution rather nasty

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Dagmar:

Not to mention the whole "fifteen minutes drive to get anywhere important"

[10:26:07]

mchou:

this sucks

[10:26:19]

scopeuk:

jes any where important is within 15 mins cycle from my house

[10:26:22]

mchou:

there are only 3 free transit days

[10:26:27]

scopeuk:

that includes all but 2 relatives

[10:26:43]

mchou:

tomorrow will be the 3rd

[10:26:49]

Dagmar:

Ah well

[10:26:59]

Dagmar:

I never really balked at paying a buck for the bus.

[10:27:04]

mchou:

that's pretty screwed up

[10:27:19]

Dagmar:

I liked that I could actually take mass-transit all teh way to San Jose if I wanted

[10:27:40]

mchou:

Dagmar: if I go from Cupertion to SF I have to pay $26 round trip

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[10:28:11]

Dagmar:

Are you taking a cab or something?

[10:28:32]

mchou:

no. Caltrain, BART, MUNI

[10:28:47]

Dagmar:

When I was last there it was like a buck and a quarter for the bus to the train, and then a few bucks for the train

[10:29:09]

Dagmar:

Still, $26 is pretty cheap IMHO when you don't have to drive and you can work on your laptop

[10:29:20]

Dagmar:

Ricochet modems were handy things

[10:29:40]

mchou:

Dagmar: I disagree. Most ppl would probably balk at $26

[10:29:55]

mchou:

they'd take the car

[10:30:16]

mchou:

even if you could work on the laptop/read

[10:30:21]

Dagmar:

...and if they tried to do that in the morning or of an evening, you'd beat them home again

[10:30:41]

Dagmar:

Me and my housemates used his SUV maybe once or twice a week

[10:30:45]

mchou:

Dagmar: no, Caltrain is slower than driving

[10:30:58]

Dagmar:

Usually we'd work from the apartment, or take public transit in and be working on the train

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Dagmar:

Now that the dot-commie traffic has died down, sure.

[10:31:16]

Dagmar:

During 2000 it wasn't.

[10:31:32]

Dagmar:

More than once I took the train back and beat my housemates home. heh

[10:31:33]

mchou:

ven in @k caltrain took longer than driving

[10:31:42]

mchou:

even in 2k caltrain took longer than driving

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Dagmar:

I suspect you're forgetting about the time needed to find a parking space

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mchou:

maybe.

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mchou:

but parking doesnt take that long

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Dagmar:

For us it was about an hour, no matter what we did. 15–20 minutes to find a parking spot in the city

[10:33:05]

mchou:

there are always spots

[10:33:57]

Dagmar:

Try that in Western Addition

[10:34:33]

mchou:

bah.

[10:34:43]

mchou:

I just park in Sunset

[10:34:52]

mchou:

always spots there

[10:35:08]

mchou:

then take the bus to wherever.....

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Dagmar:

I preferred to keep the car close because if I forgot where I parked it I want the search area to be small enough to complete before street cleaning day. ;)

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mchou:

haha!!

[10:37:25]

Dagmar:

Twice I got tickets for not having moved the car

[10:37:36]

mchou:

I should bring my bike to the city tomorrow

[10:37:50]

mchou:

no need to take the bus in the city

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Dagmar:

Once I just walked up and took it right from the cop. "Don't you want to just move the car?" "No way man... I've been drinking this morning. heh"

[10:38:25]

mchou:

Dagmar: you could have asked him to move it for ya :)

[10:38:34]

Dagmar:

Hm... never thought of that.

[10:38:51]

Dagmar:

Either way, the tickets aren't much, and if they help pay for the streets to be cleaned, all the better

[10:38:53]

mchou:

on account of you being intoxicated :)

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Dagmar:

I might be absent-minded but I wasn't about to get behind the wheel after four mimosas

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Dagmar:

Not on those crazy-ass hills

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mchou:

haha!!

[10:40:32]

mchou:

try that on a bike :)

[10:40:56]

mchou:

gonna lose your breakfast & lunch

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Dagmar:

...and possibly your face on the side of a bus

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Dagmar:

Skateboarders and inline skaters were definitely very brave in my eyes

[10:41:58]

Dagmar:

I saw a couple of them *smak* into the site of a muni

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mchou:

haha!!

[10:42:17]

mchou:

that's falling with style! :)

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Dagmar:

I thought about getting a mountain bike, but I'm used to seeing things with ten gears, *occasionally* disc brakes, and that cost maybe $200

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mchou:

Dagmar: huh???

[10:45:06]

Dagmar:

Apparently, you'd get those out of the nickel machines, if they existed at all in SF.

[10:45:20]

mchou:

a disk brake by itself costs close to $200 :)

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Dagmar:

Every place I went had these crazy alloy beasts with 20+ gears, weighing about 12 pounds, and costing close to a grand

[10:46:31]

Dagmar:

I'm used to "beater" bikes, I guess.

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Dagmar:

I like a bike I can use as a weapon if I need to.

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Dagmar:

I guess that comes of being a freak in Nashville. Drunken hilbillies just love to find people to harass

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Dagmar:

...and yeah, if you have long enough arms, using a 10-speed as a weapon is no problem at all.

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scopeuk:

/msg lilo we get the pciture

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Dagmar:

I suspect hundreds of messages aimed at lilo are the reason he sent out the second wallop

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scopeuk:

thats atleast the 3rd ive seen

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scopeuk:

maby something along the lines of one of your staff screwed up our accounts are compromised ive changed my password

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Dagmar:

What we need is a way to get this Buffet man's attention

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PaulWay:

Hi all!

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PaulWay:

In the upgrade from MythTV 0.17 to 0.18 to 0.19, somewhere my MythWeb interface has been broken.

[13:57:47]

PaulWay:

There's no 'index.php' or other PHP files in /var/www/html/mythweb (except mythweb.php, which seems to do nothing).

[13:57:49]

PaulWay:

Any ideas?

[13:58:01]

Merlin83b:

Install the newer version of MythWeb

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qu0zl:

i had that happen too PaulWay , i rm -rf'd the old version and reinstalled the new

[13:58:29]

qu0zl:

installing .19 over .18 gave me that error

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PaulWay:

Hmmm. Maybe I should uninstall and reinstal the package.

[13:59:10]

tfm:

PaulWay: did you read the INSTALL of mythweb ?

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tfm:

PaulWay: did you change your apache config to allow some more stuff in /var/www/html/mythweb ?

[13:59:35]

PaulWay:

There wasn't an INSTALL file in /var/www/html/mythweb...

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PaulWay:

And I read the howto on mythtv.org but it was rather useless.

[13:59:49]

tfm:

/usr/share/doc/mythweb.../INSTALL ?

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PaulWay:

Hmmm – one moment.

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tfm:

its in the README file

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tfm:

you need to allow Options FollowSymlinks

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tfm:

and

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tfm:

ALlowOverride All

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tfm:

for /var/www/html/mythweb

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PaulWay:

There is only one file in /usr/share/docs/mythweb-0.19 – README.

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tfm:

read that file

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PaulWay:

It says "Copy everything in here into /var/www/html/mythweb", so I think something is adgered...

[14:01:12]

tfm:

2.0 Installation

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PaulWay:

I.e. There's only one file...

[14:01:26]

tfm:

which package are you using ?

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PaulWay:

atrpms package for Fedora.

[14:02:19]

PaulWay:

Sorry, I know it's not ideal...

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tfm:

that should install more then 1 file

[14:02:31]

tfm:

rpm -e mythweb

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tfm:

reinstall it

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tfm:

and check if you have more file

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PaulWay:

Yeah, that's what I thought, so that's what I'm going to do...

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PaulWay:

Why would yum remove mythweb want to also remove mythtv-suite

[14:03:31]

PaulWay:

?

[14:03:43]

PaulWay:

And will this do any damage, if it's marked as 0 bytes.

[14:04:09]

** PaulWay throws caution to the wind and does it anyway. **

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gardengnome:

mythtv-suite is a meta package, removing it shouldn'

[14:04:17]

gardengnome:

t hurt

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PaulWay:

Well, it hasn't asked to reinstall it...

[14:06:02]

PaulWay:

Hmmm.

[14:06:24]

PaulWay:

Still looks like there's only one PHP file in the main directory, and its named mythweb.php

[14:06:43]

PaulWay:

Still only the readme file in /usr/share/doc...

[14:07:12]

PaulWay:

So it looks like either I need something else from atrpms or it's just adgered in some way that I can't determine.

[14:07:26]

PaulWay:

How would I get it traditionally (i.e. not using atrpms)?

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stuarta:

another British Rail fuckup afternoon welcome to all :-/

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** stuarta sings London's burning, London's burning... **

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stuarta:

gives me an excuse to watch Australia play Italy....

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Kelerion:

hey all

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Kelerion:

sun are giving away new servers for a 2 month trial.. mine turned up today.. woohoo! lol

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stuarta:

nice, though I suspect they may want it back :)

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Kelerion:

well yeah.. after 2 months.. but they even cover the price of sending it back if you don't want it

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Kelerion:

just gotta figure out how the thing works.. no ps2 ports.. no video ports.. it's gonna be like setting up a bloody router

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stuarta:

what hardware?

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Kelerion:

t2000

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stuarta:

hmmm, must look those up....

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Kelerion:

http://www.sun.com/servers/coolthreads/t2000/

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juski:

afternoonish

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stuarta:

hey juski.

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stuarta:

for todays entertainment, kings x station is burning, so I can't get home :(

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Kelerion:

burning?

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stuarta:

well the new bit they haven't finished yet.

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juski:

sounds ominous

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juski:

I've been holed up in a meeting since 11am

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Kelerion:

not fun

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juski:

talking HDDs with seagate

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juski:

very much not fun

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stuarta:

Kelerion: nice toy :)

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Kelerion:

lugradio mentioned it.. so I went and checked it out...

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stuarta:

one the bright side, we have the tv on in the office, so I can watch Australia play...

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** juski has had no lunch :-/ **

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** stuarta feeds juski coke & chocolate. **

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juski:

lol

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juski:

that'll do

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juski:

dunno how no lunch hour will go down on my flexi thingy

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stuarta:

it was the only way we could get through 2hrs of math at uni

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stuarta:

just go home early.

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juski:

heh. I'll need to cook the books then

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juski:

since the flexi app goes 'awooga' if you try to enter less than 60 mins lunchtime

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juski:

I know what you're thinking... "I thought flexi was supposed to be erm.. flexible"

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stuarta:

have a long tea break?

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juski:

I'll just rob the hour they owe me back

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stuarta:

Kelerion: looks like usb keyboard & mouse would do the trick.

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stuarta:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5117264.stm <- fire

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Kelerion:

not much point without a monitor.. lol

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stuarta:

no connector? then use a serial console on the puppy

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Kelerion:

they *said* the new Dapper 6.06 LTS worked on it.. ubuntu has had support specially built in... but it does have solaris ready-installed

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Kelerion:

I took my laptop over to it specially for a terminal chat... laptop=no serial.. lol

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juski:

heh

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Kelerion:

it has a network management port.. but apparently.. you enable/configure that once you've done the serial thing.. lol

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juski:

are they going mega cheap or summat?

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Kelerion:

I'll get it sussed..even if I have to drag it to my desktop and set it up

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Kelerion:

I run a home-based business... it *does* kinda look outta place seeing as I don't have a rackmount cabinet yet.. lol

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juski:

every home should have at least one 19" rack in a room somewhere

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Kelerion:

I think I'm gonna order one tomorrow.. I've been meaning to for ages... this will make it justifiable

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juski:

that said, mine no longer does since I put my dj gear in the attic

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juski:

oh bugger. these HDDs I've had lying under my desk for weeks.. turns out they work, after I just assumed they wouldn't cos another model in the same range was bad.. ooops

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juski:

different firmware apparently

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juski:

but – I didn't make the policy of only testing the biggest drive out of a model range :-P

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stuarta:

who wants a small drive after all????

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Kelerion:

bingo.. terminal session established

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juski:

stuarta: the customer

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juski:

they basically want to replace old time-lapse vcrs with a digital equivalent. If that means having crap quality images and/or low update rate – who cares? :-P

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juski:

the lower hdd size machines are a little bit cheaper

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juski:

they're all barmy if you ask me

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stuarta:

yeah, but you aren't the penny pinching accountant who runs the company,...

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juski:

I wasn't the installer who specced one of our dvrs for securitas either... cash counting areas running at 2fps over 6 cameras.. oops

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juski:

you'd think they'd have paid more attention to a money holding warehouse.. lol

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juski:

oops.. thinking in common sense mode again

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gardengnome:

juski: wow, coume even bothered to take care of the last support request...

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juski:

which was?

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juski:

get me outta here?!

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gardengnome:

juski: uh, some guy who couldn't register, so he was making sarcastic remarks

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juski:

how about.. delete my account & all my posts?

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gardengnome:

right, that's what i was thinking.

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juski:

I'll look fwd to reading that when I get home then

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Kelerion:

holy crap I'd forgotten how loud these things were

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juski:

not that anybody feels _bitter_ or anything

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gardengnome:

juski: no, never.

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gardengnome:

big, happy family etc.

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gardengnome:

juski: some guy posted in our s100 thread on de.mythtvtalk; he was asking how to do stuff with the default windows CE install

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juski:

is he dead now? :-P

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gardengnome:

no, ignoring him...

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Hoxzer:

...

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kormoc:

... to you to

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gardengnome:

i wonder if he meant "..|._"

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kormoc:

heh

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gardengnome:

uh, hi xris ;)

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Hoxzer:

did you guys send me to do memtest because it really is possible fault of my errors or because then I wouldn't come here to ask questions? :P

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kormoc:

likely the first one

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xris:

gardengnome: morning

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kormoc:

did you run the extended test?

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Anduin:

Hoxzer: Probably both.

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Hoxzer:

Kormoc: "Likely" :D but anyway feels like guys are teasing me

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Hoxzer:

kormoc: you gotta be kidding me :D

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kormoc:

Not really. I had memory that would pass all the basic tests and all but one of the extended tests

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juski:

I had some memory failure once.. I went & bought a new module – turned out something had messed up my bios settings in the end.. resetting everything to defaults worked fine

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juski:

that was about the time I got pwned

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juski:

well.. time to go home..

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Kelerion:

so.. in big setups.. if I wanted to install a whole new OS on a server like this.. with no kb or monitor.. I'd install using a serial terminal??

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Kelerion:

have fun juski :)

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kormoc:

Kelerion, or ssh

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Kelerion:

how can you install an OS through ssh?

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kormoc:

or via kickstart or similar

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kormoc:

put in a cd that starts ssh, check your dhcp server for which ip it got, ssh into it and install away

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kormoc:

I've installed most of my gentoo installs that way for years

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Kelerion:

or I'm presuming you could install from a netboot?

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kormoc:

aye, that's what kickstart is desigend to do

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Kelerion:

ahh ok

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Kelerion:

I've never seen a bios booting from a serial terminal.. it's kinda wierd

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kormoc:

http://lis.gsfc.nasa.gov/yudong/notes/net-install.txt <-- Installing Linux over Network: PXE, DHCP, TFTP, NFS and Kickstart

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Kelerion:

bookmarks it... thanks

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kormoc:

your welcome

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Kelerion:

I've got some docs somewhere on net-installing ubuntu... I managed to do it with my wifes laptop... so am figuring it'd be identical with this thing

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Kelerion:

damn it's noisy... this thing can't stay on at night! I won't be able to sleep! lol

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Hoxzer:

wHY is gentoo so bad :(

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kormoc:

cause it's not? :P

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kormoc:

what's your issue?

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Hoxzer:

Everybody says it is

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kormoc:

that's not really true

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Hoxzer:

DO you think I'm just making this up?

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Hoxzer:

Yeah, thats what I though

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kormoc:

No, but I think that there's a very large gentoo community that disagrees with your statement that everyone says it's so bad

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Hoxzer:

;)

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GreyFoxx:

Everything sucks in at least someones opinion :)

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Hoxzer:

Even you?

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GreyFoxx:

I'm sure :)

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Hoxzer:

Maybe I should get sleep

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** Brains is pretty sure his mother never said anything bad about Gentoo, so everyone can't be saying it is bad... (My mother wouldn't know Gentoo if the penguin bit her. =:) **

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LoneShadow:

anyone sane enough to use mythtv on centos here ? :D

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xris:

LoneShadow: if you can get atrpms for centos, it should work

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xris:

depending on what type of tuner card you have

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LoneShadow:

pvr150 mce

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xris:

LoneShadow: check atrpms

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xris:

follow the wilsonet fedora guide

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** GreyFoxx installs Apache 2 for the first time hehe **

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GreyFoxx:

I've been able to avoid it for years hehe

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jonK:

hi, any thoughts on pvr-350 tv-out versus nvida?

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** kormoc perfers nvidia, but kormoc doesn't have a 350 **

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jonK:

I have both — I seem to recall an assertion that you couldn't do DVD or games well with the 350 out

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kormoc:

that is very true

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kormoc:

well, games at least

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kormoc:

Dvds might work fine

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jonK:

my most important criteria is picture quality of recorded programs

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xris:

jonK: 350 support may get dropped from future mythtv versions

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kormoc:

given you have both, you might as well compair them

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kormoc:

*compare

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jonK:

really? why drop it?

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xris:

because no one who owns a 350 will maintain the code

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GreyFoxx:

Noone who submits code uses a 350 for output

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jonK:

i could always step up

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** kormoc pushes a stool upto jonK. **

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kormoc:

enjoy

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** GreyFoxx wonders how hard it will be to find someone who has used XvMC with an intel chipset and not just nvidia **

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kormoc:

GreyFoxx, you mean XvMC on a intigrated nvidia gfx?

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kormoc:

%s/nvidia/intel/

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GreyFoxx:

yup

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GreyFoxx:

The GPU can handle it, and the driver says it has support

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kormoc:

I attempted to a few moths ago, and it just didn't work (945 chipset)

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GreyFoxx:

but I have no idea if there is a librarythgat is needed

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LoneShadow:

hiya GreyFoxx

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GreyFoxx:

Do you need a special library? Something I could look at ?

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GreyFoxx:

googling all I find is references to it being possible and people asking, but nothing from anyone who has acxtually done it

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kormoc:

At the time, mplayer would just barf on starting it up, and I think it only needed /usr/lib/libXvMC.so

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GreyFoxx:

hrm

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GreyFoxx:

/usr/X11R6/lib/libI810XvMC.so

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GreyFoxx:

hmmm

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** LoneShadow coaxes more for XvMC, you can do it GreyFoxx :P **

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kormoc:

Heh, that could be why it didn't work for me, cause I don't recall having that file around

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GreyFoxx:

Now to figure out how to use it heh

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GreyFoxx:

somehow libXvMC.so knows to load the NVIDIA specific xvmc libraries

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GreyFoxx:

so there must be a way to get it to load this one instead

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Hoxzer:

MAan, I should get to sleep

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Hoxzer:

But NO

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Hoxzer:

I'm a nerd and I have to use irc

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Hoxzer:

Otherwise earth would crash to suomi

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kormoc:

GreyFoxx, I think the deal is, it attempts to load the nvidia (and other specific ones) first, and if it fails, it loads the generic one. That's why libXvMCW was created. it was to be a way to set which XvMC lib was to load at runtime rather then compile time

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GreyFoxx:

When I get a chance I'll take a poke at the X source for libXvMC

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scales:

which remote (and ir reciever) is better, the grey hauppauge one, or windows media center one

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scales:

i will assume both can be tuned to turn my tv off

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kormoc:

I perfer the MCE remote, but ymmv

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scales:

reasons kormoc?

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scales:

how are the sizes comparison

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kormoc:

super powerful ir, great range, plenty of buttons, easy to program for my tv, and eventually gonna have the keyboard working

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scales:

would you say that the hauppauge one is weaker?

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kormoc:

I would imagine so, but can't say for sure

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scales:

k, now the tougher question

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scales:

what is the difference between these two cards, (other than one comes with a remote, and the output/inputs)

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scales:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815116620

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scales:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815116625

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kormoc:

the first one has a FM tuner and no remote, the second one has a remote and no fm tuner

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kormoc:

the area where is says Specifications is rather useful when compairing things

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scales:

k, quality, etc stuff is same

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sloncho:

hi. i have 0.19-fixes running on ubuntu dapper with pvr-250 card. now i'm planning to add hdtv support – i.e. I'm looking to pchdtv3000. Q1: do they play nice together? Q2: can I use pchdtv3000 as a second analog tuner? Q3: can I use pchdtv3000 both as hdtv and analog tuner – i.e. just by switching the channel it changes the mode?

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kormoc:

same chip, so yes

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kormoc:

sloncho, Do you have cable?

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jk1joel:

sloncho: you can use the pchdtv3000 as a second analog tuner, but it doesn't have a hardware mpeg encoder, so you'll be using up lots of CPU for that

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scales:

k, and i will assume that neither require me run a cable from the outside into the audio in on my soundcard like my cheap wintvgo?

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xris:

sloncho: 3000 is an old card, will usually work fine together, analog tuner sucks, but works, and yes it should switch back and forth.

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kormoc:

scales, correct

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jk1joel:

the new card is the HD 5500. I don't think you can buy the 3000 anymore unless you buy it on eBay or somewhere like that

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scales:

ok. good i am just kinda tired of my cheap wintvgo and ati remote. neither work all that great (but they work), though it was nice to have both natively supported by fedora

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scales:

lag here and there, that is just a consequence of an analog tuner and using the computer to decode right?

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sloncho:

thanks all. I'd really liked to support a card which was designed fo linux :). Anyway – is there an HDTV card with hw encoder, which will play nice as second analog and hdtv tunner?

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xris:

scales: you'll always have some lag because of encoding

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xris:

sloncho: no

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kormoc:

scales, you're also using the cpu to encode, which you won't wiht the 150, so that should help a bit too

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Jusk1:

lag, schmag

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jk1joel:

sloncho: you won't need the hw encoder for the ATSC stuff. only if you wanted to record analog

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jk1joel:

(on the HD 5500 card, that is)

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xris:

hdtv is already encoded, so no need for an encoder. the analog bit is extra and no one has made one with integrated hw encoder for the analog stuff.

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Jusk1:

I'm amazed hauppauge haven't got into the HD game yet

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xris:

sloncho: best way to get hd and analog pre-encoded is to get digital cable and use firewire

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xris:

juski: huh? they do. just no linux support.

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scales:

xris: well little lag yes, but my myth sometimes freezes when i rewind too far, or ff to far, i imagine that this is due to the limits on what has been recorded, but does anyone else get those freeze ups?

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jk1joel:

Jusk1: maybe they're scared of the whole broadcast flag thing killing business

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sloncho:

xris, then i'm limited to record what i watch

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xris:

sloncho: why is that?

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Jusk1:

xris: oh. never realised that

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jk1joel:

neither did it

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xris:

Jusk1: yeah, beirdo bought one awhile back and then learned it only worked in windows

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sloncho:

xris, as far as i know, the cable box outputs on firewire what is watched at the moment

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jk1joel:

s/it/I/

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xris:

sloncho: no

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xris:

mythtv can tune the motorola ones

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xris:

and you can use ir blaster if you get a non-moto

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xris:

Jusk1: nevermind, I'm wrong. they have dvb, but no atsc

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kormoc:

well, that is true, it will only output a single stream at a time, via firewire and to the tv, but yeah, myth can change channels and all that automatically, as it if was an extrenal tuner card

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xris:

weird, wonder what brand beirdo got

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Jusk1:

can't find anything with reference to HD on Hauppauge's website

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sloncho:

xris, do you say that I can make mythtv tune the box to channel 240 (hdtv) and record from the firewire, and I can watch another digital on my tv, from the same box?

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xris:

sloncho: not from the same box, no

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sloncho:

so, i'm limited :)

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xris:

consider the cable box to be a tuner card

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xris:

sloncho: no, you just rent a second box

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scales:

kormoc: if you hold down your "down arrow" will your cursor continue to scroll down?

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scales:

on your mce remote

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kormoc:

http://www.nulime.com/p22534/cat2647/Video-Ca . . . V-HD698.html <-- Hauppauge ATSC tv card

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kormoc:

sloncho, no more limited then via the card you were looking at

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xris:

kormoc: ok, hauppauge website sucks, then

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kormoc:

scales, yes, and you can tune that via the lirc

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Jusk1:

jees! how much? $330.50

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scales:

i know i asked this question a few times, but my ati remote wonder for some reason doesnt. i have tried changing the repeat function to 0, and it doesnt seem to work. i did not however add any other function

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jk1joel:

wow. that's pretty pricey when compared to the hd 5500 card

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kormoc:

sloncho, you can get more then one hd tuner from the cable company as well. SlicerDicer- is currently running 3 on his mythbox daisy chained.

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scales:

so i will just assume that the remote doesnt support it

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Jusk1:

there's nothing particularly clever about what an HD card does compared to say a DVB-T card though

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sloncho:

kormoc: what is daisy chained?

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Jusk1:

sloncho: one box plugged into another box.. into another box.. into the mythbox

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kormoc:

sloncho, one attached to the next, so his setup is Mythbox -> HD-Cablebox -> HD-Cablebox -> HD-Cablebox

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Jusk1:

firewire is better than USB in that respect ;-)

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Jusk1:

apart from the fact it's actually faster despite the paper specs :-P

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xris:

Jusk1: lower overhead means greater overall speed. :)

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sloncho:

kormoc: this is the "anthena" cable, not the firewire, right? and then u have 3 firewire connections to the boxes to control them?

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Jusk1:

xris: I know ;-)

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kormoc:

sloncho, nope, they just plug into one firewire port on the mythbox, and it can tell all three of them apart, and no, this is cable via firewire

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jk1joel:

sloncho: firewire devices usually have 2 firewire ports on them

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Jusk1:

you _could_ have 3 firewire ports & use each of them for one box, but you don't have to

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jk1joel:

right. the daisy-chain part isn't really relevant. you can use either topology without problems

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LoneShadow:

Jusk1: what do you use for decoding the video from firewire ?

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xris:

sloncho: need a splitter for the cable wire itself

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scales:

brb

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sloncho:

ok guys, i got it. as for now digital cable box is not an option, mybe i'll just get one pvr-150 for a second analog tuner, and HD5500 for the off-the-ait HDTV. do i have to expect some problems?

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Anduin:

Jusk1: How is timestretch on that S100?

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xris:

sloncho: should be fine

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sloncho:

is there a comparision between pc5500 and 3000? what's so improved?

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xris:

sloncho: QAM support, for one (for digital cable)

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xris:

other than that, probably mostly just changed chips, etc.

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sloncho:

this is from prod desc on ebay: Supports unencrypted QAM 64 and QAM 256 Cable signals

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sloncho:

same as 5500 on their site

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xris:

"better" QAM support, then

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kormoc:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PcHDTV

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asperon:

anybody using mythdora and feel like helping out?

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xris:

asperon: ask the question

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asperon:

i try to boot it, i get past ide detected, then i get a screen reset and then it goes black

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asperon:

the install works some more (i can see the cd/hd activity)

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asperon:

but nothing happens

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asperon:

this is the same in text/graphics mode

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xris:

sounds like a bad install

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asperon:

xris: this is when it boots from the install cd

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kormoc:

sounds like a bad install cd then?

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kormoc:

did you check the md5 sums of your download and the one on the website?

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asperon:

no, i did not

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asperon:

ill do that then

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xris:

asperon: if that doesn't help, I'd recommend just installing fc5

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SlicerDicer-:

sloncho: it is far better quality to use firewire and it requires no special hardware and you have HDTV its awesome :)

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SlicerDicer-:

all I had to do was get firewire cables 6pin to 6pin

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SlicerDicer-:

plug them in install firewire stuff that is needed and good to go

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SlicerDicer-:

the mythtv wiki has information on it

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SlicerDicer-:

sloncho: http://home.comcast.net/~slicerdicer/mythfront1.jpg :)

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SlicerDicer-:

all daisychained

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: that's way too much tv. heh

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Zider:

200 channels and nothing on.. ;)

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asperon:

xris: md5 is the same

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: haha

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: the sad thing is that can be a total of 4 if I want

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: one of them is the dual tuner DVR

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xris:

asperon: imho, just go with fc5.

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LoneShadow:

SlicerDicer: you bought those stb, or comcast just gives you extras ? :D

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Jusk1:

Anduin: pretty good... it all seems to work really well

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: you actually got the dvr one working?

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sloncho:

SlicerDicer, yes it is :). I have no time to watch all this :). Also, I kind-a hate comcast, and would like to limit the money I give them as much as possible. I'm fine with analog and local hdtv. i wish I could switch away from them

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SlicerDicer-:

LoneShadow: comcast gives me extras heh

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LoneShadow:

evil comcast :P

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sloncho:

LoneShadow – for 10$/month

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LoneShadow:

I am regular stb, was planning on swapping it to the one firewire

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SlicerDicer-:

I have a total of 6 STB's though

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LoneShadow:

s/am/have

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SlicerDicer-:

LoneShadow: I get kinda a break due to having digital voice

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** SlicerDicer- snickers **

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SlicerDicer-:

my internet is through the buisness side of comcast so no breaks there :/

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: you have TWO internet lines, one specifically for voip, *and* you have digital voice. you're just insane.

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SlicerDicer-:

haha xris

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LoneShadow:

using sunrocket for voip

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: but it sure is fun :)

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Juski:

can't have all those 'linux distro downloads' hogging VOIP bandwidth eh? ;-)

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LoneShadow:

can a P4 2.0 with a fx5200 or 5700 play back video from a firewire card ?

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LoneShadow:

err

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Anduin:

Jusk1: The CPU usage is ok at the upper end of it?

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LoneShadow:

video from stb's firewire that is

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: I am sure someday it will grow to be even more stuff piled on

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Juski:

Anduin: I only checked CPU usage during normal speed playback.. but I didn't notice any dropped frames at 2x

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SlicerDicer-:

when stuff becomes cheaper :)

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SlicerDicer-:

I know I will be getting FTTH when century tel offers it here

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Anduin:

Jusk1: That is good enough for me, thanks.

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Juski:

Anduin: SDTV mpeg2 plays back at about 50% CPU usage with kernel deinterlace enabled

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Juski:

annoyingly, xine uses much less CPU

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Juski:

(haven't tried xvmc in mythtv yet)

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SlicerDicer-:

xvmc rocks

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SlicerDicer-:

1.4ghz AMD with mx440 plays HD with it

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Juski:

oo I have a question about that actually... anyone reckon there'll ever be a setting in mythfrontend to enable the chromakey OSD so you don't have to do the database hack?

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SlicerDicer-:

Juski: thats a good question as I had to do the hack on that box hehe

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xris:

Juski: no clue

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: I may have to power down all my computers today heh

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Juski:

might have a foray into that when (if) I fix my themes

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SlicerDicer-:

forecast is calling for temps that will cause them to get way to hot for my liking :/

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xris:

yeah, it's just a bit warm

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xris:

except that my office is like 50 degrees

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xris:

drinking tea to keep warm

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** kormoc is wearing a coat **

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kormoc:

and pondering hot coco

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xris:

hot coconut?

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kormoc:

Cocoa would be more like it

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SlicerDicer-:

wow xris heh

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xris:

coconut could be good... mixed with a little pa nang curry paste... yum

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Juski:

xris: just booting my svn box now to take a look at the theme issue

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xris:

cool

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: you would be wearing a coat

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SlicerDicer-:

were having a cold blast here

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: the part that blows

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SlicerDicer-:

the temp is suposto go up by 15 degrees before the day is out

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** xris is getting a nice farmer's tan, though **

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gardengnome:

xris: you need to work topless, then

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, but half the humidity that I'm used to

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xris:

gardengnome: I don't need to subject my neighbors to that

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kormoc:

it's 71% in PA, and 36% here

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GreyFoxx:

XvMC libs -lI810XvMC

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GreyFoxx:

Woop

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gardengnome:

xris: heh. my neighbours subject me to their football madness, so there's no mercy...

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GreyFoxx:

now I wonder if it will actually work

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Juski:

xris: which rev of SVN did you first see the theme problem with?

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xris:

Juski: beats me... it was when I first turned on the opengl menu stuff

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Juski:

well I cant reproduce it on 10056

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xris:

I'll update today and check later

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Juski:

I'll update it shortly

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Juski:

actually now will do :-)

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xris:

I can update but can't check until I get home from work in like 6.5 hours

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** Juski goes to look up how to start distcc again. one day it might be as natural as doing 'ls' **

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xris:

wish I could do dist-transcode. heh

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Juski:

dist-gpu transcode :-D

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gardengnome:

beirdo, get to work! ;)

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Juski:

wonder how long this compile will take.. ccache & distcc...

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** xris will be happy when mythexport is done. **

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xris:

if his intern would ever appear again and actually commit some code

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Juski:

that answered my question.. errors ahoy

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Juski:

prolly different compiler versions or somefink

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xris:

heh

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xris:

yeah, that's my problem.. too many different archs on my network

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Juski:

oh fack... ubuntu box has gcc 4.x

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Juski:

fast box has gcc 3.x

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Juski:

that'd do it I reckon

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Juski:

ah well.. what's a couple of hours between friends

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Juski:

I should really export the recordings from this disk so the non-svn system can use them

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Juski:

I seem to remember hearing there's a handy script for that

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xris:

you mean like nuvexport? heh

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Juski:

I dunno.. whichever one takes a recording & copies it to a directory with the requisite sql bumph

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xris:

nuvexport

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xris:

haven't tested it in ages, but it should still work.

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kormoc:

I think he means still in myth tho

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xris:

kormoc: nuv+sql exporter

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kormoc:

ahh, nifty

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Juski:

nah.. not scared of the command line, me

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xris:

spits out nuv (or mpg), sql and .txt

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Juski:

looky likey nuvexport is what I need

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xris:

that's why I wrote it. heh

[18:57:16]

xris:

since sharing recordings with friends is BAD and ILLEGAL in most places. heh

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Juski:

technically I suppose mytharchive is dancing on a very grey spot indeed

[18:58:56]

xris:

yeah

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Juski:

but no more than domestic DVD recorders

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xris:

speaking of which, I need to email paul back with an update about mythexport

[19:00:29]

pmaciver:

Hey guys I was in here earlier with a problem that I have with mythtv locking up my computer when I try and watch TV, so I have come back with more infor if anyway can help me

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pmaciver:

basically when it locks the machine I can't ping the machine and I can't ssh into the box either

[19:03:08]

pmaciver:

and on the command line the following message appears "spinlock lockup on cpu#0, mythfrontend / 7370,c1b6e278"

[19:03:37]

kormoc:

that could be irq related

[19:04:01]

kormoc:

not a via chipset mobo, is it?

[19:04:01]

pmaciver:

how do you mean?

[19:05:18]

pmaciver:

no it is a nvidia nforce2 chipset

[19:05:18]

kormoc:

basically, the spinlock (it's waiting for data to become ready) hits a recursion mode and thus keeps spawning more spinlocks till the system can't run amyore

[19:06:29]

pmaciver:

So do you know what I could do to resolve this problem?

[19:06:36]

kormoc:

You can try disabling the apic (add noapic nolapic to your kernel options in your bootloader)

[19:08:11]

kormoc:

could also try with pci=noacpi

[19:08:59]

pmaciver:

Thanks. What do these options actually do then

[19:09:17]

jonK:

the via problem is why I decided to build a new backend — also went with nvidia nforce motherboard

[19:09:36]

jonK:

just if anyone cares...(unlikely)

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kormoc:

apic is a type of way to control IRQs and other system resources. it's newer, and thus, more buggy then the old way, but also can be (slightly) faster

[19:10:01]

pmaciver:

what did you do when you built the new backend then jonk?

[19:10:12]

kormoc:

acpi is a power management system, along with some more new resource management

[19:10:39]

kormoc:

thus, by disabling them, you're forcing the old, more compatable way to handle your IRQ's, and hopefully stop the spinlocks (if my hunch is correct)

[19:10:45]

** Juski likes nuvexport **

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pmaciver:

So with the acpi I could just disable it and rebuild my kernel?

[19:11:28]

jonK:

pmaciver: what do you mean?

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kormoc:

pmaciver, those are kernel options, no recompile needed

[19:12:13]

kormoc:

pmaciver, you can edit your boot loader and add them to the boot line, reboot, and they'll take affect

[19:12:27]

pmaciver:

ok thanks

[19:12:44]

pmaciver:

You said that you rebuilt your backend, you seem to have the same chipset as me, so what did you actually do

[19:12:49]

pmaciver:

that's for jonk

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** kormoc heads to lunch, bbl **

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jonK:

I bought a new motherboard, and new CPU (AMD 64, X2 dual core) intalled linux (ubuntu dapper), downloaded and compiled mythtv (numerous substeps ommitted).

[19:13:42]

Juski:

lol.. this is what I've got against forums now... a guy with a DVB-T card wanting to know if he can hook up his vcr via coax & record stuff from tape

[19:14:37]

pmaciver:

ok, did you get the same problem with the spinlocks? jonk

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Pete__:

has anyone had luck with mythstreamtv and 0.19 of mythweb? As far as I can tell im using the patched version, but im not seeing anything appearing in mythweb

[19:18:13]

Juski:

what the??? WindowsAudioInputDevice_common.cpp

[19:18:18]

Juski:

!!!!!!!

[19:18:36]

Pete__:

didn't myth used to compile on windows?

[19:18:54]

jonK:

no, although I have not actually put the new backend "into production"

[19:19:05]

jonK:

am going to do that tonight

[19:19:18]

jonK:

what problem are you having with spinlocks? they won't spin?

[19:19:23]

Anduin:

Pete__: Not really, though if the soc project actually finishes it will.

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Pete__:

any ideas about mythstreamtv? Im not seeing a link to it at the top of the page as there is meant to be..

[19:22:15]

xris:

Pete__: I'm hoping to get rid of the need for that separate project

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jonK:

how's the summer of code going?

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xris:

not bad

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xris:

one of my interns is "missing"... I get status update emails from him but haven't seen code

[19:29:50]

jonK:

I tried to get some students interested, and was really surprised that I had no takers.

[19:30:05]

jonK:

I would have been all over such an opportunity .

[19:30:10]

xris:

yeah, same here

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mchou:

jonK: bah

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jonK:

espicially then, in college I really enjoyed writing code.

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mchou:

most interns are looking for bigger established companies

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mchou:

not a bunch of hackers :)

[19:31:32]

Juski:

their motivation primarily being money driven, I suppose

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xris:

Juski: $4500 for 3 months isn't too bad for a college student

[19:31:53]

mchou:

Juski: interns dont get much anywhere

[19:32:09]

Juski:

biggest mistake I ever made in my life was getting into electronics to make good money

[19:32:13]

jonK:

I took the summer assoicateds to a baseball game recently

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Pete__:

any clues?

[19:32:28]

xris:

jonK: crazy lawyers

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kormoc:

Pete__, clues to?

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jonK:

42

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xris:

Pete__: check out the version in knopmyth... it should drop in on other distros

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mchou:

jonK: you take them to investigate Barry Bonds? :)

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Juski:

lol what a PoS my demo system is. cant even compile & do a network copy at the same time

[19:34:11]

Juski:

realtek lan chips rule (not)

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** xris almost wishes his wife stuck with the law school idea **

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kormoc:

She could still go

[19:35:52]

mchou:

I wanna be a lawyer for novell

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misieq:

hi!

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xris:

kormoc: but she won't.

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kormoc:

heh, fair nuff

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xris:

I'm guessing her lsat scores are expiring soon, too

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mchou:

those guys know how to take names & kick ass

[19:36:24]

xris:

I just want to see her happy.. and writing seems to make her happy

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liran_:

hey everyoe

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liran_:

*everyone

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misieq:

i've just installed mythtv on suse using Olsen rpms but mythtv-setup won't find any channels saying it couldn't open card

[19:37:14]

xris:

misieq: did you define a card?

[19:37:18]

Pete__:

xris: ah ok, but any ideas how to get it working for now?

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misieq:

yes

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misieq:

skystar2

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xris:

misieq: and you're running mythtv-setup as root, or have correct permissions on the device?

[19:38:48]

misieq:

no, as regular user

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xris:

(I notice that my dvb devices are always restricted to root)

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misieq:

shuold i run it as root?

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xris:

try

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misieq:

right. i'll give it another try right now

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xris:

or chmod the dvb device files

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mchou:

MSFT is EVIL: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5510890

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xris:

mchou: hardly limited to microsoft

[19:45:58]

mchou:

xris: you didnt listen to the story

[19:46:04]

xris:

no

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misieq:

got it working (at least quite) i missed setting "input connections" to card1. but i still can't search channels – "error tuning to transport" when using "full scan of existing transports"

[19:46:28]

xris:

mchou: summarize for me. I'd rather listen to music atm.

[19:46:28]

mchou:

xris: then you dont know why I said that

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mchou:

xris: sorry, no can do

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xris:

misieq: does szap work?

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misieq:

and i don't know what settings should i type when using "full scan (tuned)"

[19:47:07]

misieq:

what szap?

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misieq:

brb/bbl

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xris:

misieq: you first need to make sure that your satellite card works in linux.. which means using the commandline dvb tools like szap.

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Lonewolf:

Hello! Trying to play a DVD (mplayer dvd:// -vo xv) on my Debian system using the nvidia 1.0–8762 driver I get the following message: "Shared memory not supported. Reverting to normal Xv." After a few seconds it aborts. What does that message really mean?

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kormoc:

it means the default driver, (x11/shm) isn't supported, so it attempt to use a second driver (xv) and that failed

[19:55:34]

kormoc:

as for why it tried to use shm before xv when you have it on the command line, that's a very odd thing to happen

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Lonewolf:

kormoc: How could you tell it tries x11/shm?

[19:57:34]

kormoc:

<Lonewolf> ...I get the following message: "Shared memory not supported.

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kormoc:

that tends to indicate X11/shm

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Juski:

oo targeted advertising? evil? nah. It's only capitalism at work

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Lonewolf:

kormoc: OK, it wasn't obvious to me

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Juski:

oh hell. my 5 year old nikon is starting to get a worrying amount of hot pixels

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pmaciver:

Hi again, I just wanted to report that passing the pci=noacpi didn't work, I'm still getting the spin lock lock ups. Any other suggestions are welcome

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kormoc:

pmaciver, did you also add the noapic and nolapic as well as the pci=noacpi?

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pmaciver:

no this is the line that I am using at the moment kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.16-gentoo-r7 root=/dev/hda1 ide0=dma ide1=dma pci=noacpi

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pmaciver:

I thought you meant I should use one or the other

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Lonewolf:

kormoc: Is it possible to get additional information what it does?

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misieq:

i'm back

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misieq:

xris: so how do i use szap?

[20:12:56]

xris:

misieq: install the dvb tools and read the instructions

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kormoc:

pmaciver, yeah, just add those other two and try again

[20:13:10]

kormoc:

LoneShadow, #mplayer might be a good place

[20:13:11]

misieq:

i know my cvb card (skystar2) wokrs, because i used it with mythetre/progdvb windows dvb programs

[20:13:31]

xris:

misieq: "works in windows" and "works in linux" are not the same thing

[20:13:41]

pmaciver:

ok, thanks, I'll give it another go, and be back to report on the success or failure. Thanks again

[20:13:49]

kormoc:

you're welcome, and g'luck

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misieq:

xris: that's why i didn't tell where it works, but just stated that it works ;)

[20:14:57]

Lonewolf:

kormoc: I will try #mplayer. Thanks!

[20:15:54]

melunko:

xris: hi, you suggested me to update to 0.19. Unfortunately now I face other problem with RingBuf: "Invalid file (fd 15) when opening '/mnt/store//1002_20060626170821.nuv'...". Any idea?

[20:16:32]

xris:

melunko: refresh me on the issues... sounds like you just have a bad recording

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melunko:

yes, I'm trying to watch live tv

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xris:

melunko: run with -v all and see what additional errors you get

[20:17:36]

melunko:

xris: I'm using analog TV

[20:17:57]

melunko:

xris: frontend or backend? or both?

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xris:

melunko: frontend first, since it's easier

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melunko:

xris: Does this say anything? TV Error: StartRecorder() — timed out waiting for recorder to start

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xris:

melunko: yeah. means you need to monitor the backend now

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melunko:

:)

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melunko:

xris: write -> 14 48 BACKEND_MESSAGE[]:[]DONE_RECORDING 1 0[]:[]empty

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xris:

melunko: must be something more than that

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Anduin:

melunko: That isn't a useful part of the log.

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melunko:

I didn't see any error message, just thousand of:

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melunko:

2006-06–26 17:25:23.390 read <- 15 33 QUERY_RECORDER 1[]:[]IS_RECORDING

[20:33:12]

melunko:

2006-06–26 17:25:23.390 write -> 15 1 0

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melunko:

Maybe this one: StopLiveTV(void) curRec: 0x8166da8 pseudoRec: 0

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xris:

melunko: that's with "-v all"

[20:35:25]

xris:

?

[20:35:44]

armand:

hrm, im running svn of -fixes of 10246 all of a sudden mythbackend stops responding though the process is running

[20:35:59]

xris:

melunko: don't watch the log... run `mythbackend -v all` and watch the stuff scroll by on the console

[20:37:22]

armand:

hrm all i have in my logs is

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armand:

2006-06–26 11:00:48.572 write -> 9 33 MESSAGE[]:[]RECORDING_LIST_CHANGE

[20:37:22]

armand:

2006-06–26 11:05:48.578 Connection to backend server lost

[20:37:22]

armand:

2006-06–26 11:05:48.589 WriteStringList: Bad socket

[20:37:22]

armand:

and thats with -v all ;/

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xris:

armand: "-v all" doesn't add extra to the logs

[20:37:35]

xris:

only to the console

[20:37:43]

armand:

doh. it does add more to the logs tho

[20:37:50]

armand:

i guess not everything?

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xris:

apparently not

[20:38:13]

xris:

anyway, that looks like a frontend log... would have to see what the backend thinks happened

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jasta:

yawn

[20:38:25]

armand:

mines /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

[20:39:05]

armand:

i checked out to 10246 to fix a commflag hanging problem.. that is not a problem anymore, but now every couple days mythbackend just goes boom.. but the process is still running, and the slaves think they're still connected

[20:39:15]

armand:

perhaps its time to spin the roulette wheel again and check out latest svn heh

[20:39:37]

armand:

(latest svn -fixes)

[20:39:42]

armand:

not 0.20

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xris:

armand: I had something like that happen in svn the other week... not sure what caused it, though

[20:41:34]

armand:

id think they wouldnt modify huge chunks of code and not test it before commiting to -fixes

[20:41:42]

armand:

each time i svn co -fixes i get a new problem :(

[20:42:45]

armand:

this one problem really blows. since its making me miss shows

[20:43:29]

liran_:

has anyone used mythtv with a tv receiver to browse channels and stuff?

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scales:

can anyone tell me what the difference between these is?

[20:44:43]

scales:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16880100851

[20:44:54]

scales:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16880100853

[20:45:13]

xris:

scales: didn't we already answer that for you?

[20:45:26]

xris:

oh, remotes this time

[20:45:29]

scales:

this is a remote

[20:45:30]

scales:

yes

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scales:

sorry

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liran_:

looks like one is with receiver and the other is without

[20:46:07]

scales:

yeah, that is what it looks like, but in theory, that means that the reciever is only worth 5 bucks?

[20:46:11]

xris:

scales: looks like one has receiver and one without

[20:46:23]

xris:

scales: it's a good deal since the receiver usually costs $20 or so.

[20:46:27]

scales:

k

[20:46:34]

scales:

thank you

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scales:

think i will order that tonight

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xris:

I like mine

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scales:

which is?

[20:47:00]

xris:

same thing

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scales:

oh ok

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scales:

good good

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scales:

i might ask for your lircrc file and lircd.conf files later

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xris:

I even added lircrc config to the contrib stuff for mythtv if you want a sample file

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scales:

bingo

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jonK:

for which remote?

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xris:

lircd.conf comes with lirc

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xris:

jonK: windows mce remote

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xris:

scales: I need to tweak it a little to add xine and mplayer support, but the rest works

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xris:

you just need to tweak a couple of mythtv's key assignments

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jonK:

ahh.. I like the ATI firefly remote I've been using for a frontend

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scales:

ahh, well the lircrc that my ati all in wonder nicely configured the remote buttons to xine

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xris:

I like the mce one much better than my ati-style one (actually x10)

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scales:

too bad the remote is such a problem

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scales:

jonk: whch do you have? firefly and ati arent related

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** xris wants kormoc to finish installing the OS on the new mythtv.org server so he can play with it. **

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liran_:

talking about remotes... did you get to experience the Watch TV feature with an actual TV transceiver?

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xris:

liran_: huh?

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liran_:

xris: well you know those tvs digital transceivers that you get from the cable tv company?

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jonK:

im my mind it had an ATI logo on it somewhere

[20:50:30]

jonK:

but it's the snapstream firefly

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xris:

liran_: you mean cable box? still not sure how that relates to remotes.

[20:51:15]

xris:

jonK: it's the same build/driver as ati.

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liran_:

xris: umm cable box? not sure whats the exact name for that. sorry :)

[20:51:45]

liran_:

xris: that cable box is the one you use to switch channels on the tv?

[20:51:52]

xris:

liran_: the box that plugs into digital cable so you can watch it on a tv...

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jonK:

I bet that's it — when I built lirc it uses the lirc_ati module

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misieq:

i have czap/szap but they seem only to switch channels that are already found...

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scales:

jonk: ok

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xris:

misieq: but it does find channels?

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scales:

later guys

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misieq:

it searches only in it's config files, but they are empty

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liran_:

xris: have you ever watched tv with mythtv? (using the cable box ofcourse)

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xris:

liran_: yes. I used an ir blaster to control my dishnetwork satellite box for a long time... recently switched to cable so I could get a box with a firewire port, which serves as both controller and data interface (meaning I just get my shows straight from the box in digital format)

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xris:

misieq: there is a scanner application included with the dvb tools

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misieq:

xris: how is it called?

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liran_:

xris: ok thats exactly what im talking about.

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liran_:

xris: you mind if i ask you some questions regarding that setup?

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xris:

misieq: I don't know. it's in the dvbtools documentation somewhere.

[20:58:34]

melunko:

xris: it seems I'm having channel setup problems

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xris:

liran_: that's what we're here for

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liran_:

xris: thanks

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xris:

melunko: maybe wipe the program/channel info and reload it all?

[21:00:28]

melunko:

xris: Channel(/dev/video0)::SetColourAttribute(): failed to query controls, error: Invalid argument

[21:00:43]

liran_:

xris: so currently the cable box connects to my tv and i'm using the remote i got from the cable company to switch channels on the cable box which in-turn switches the feed to my tv and thats how im seeing different channels.

[21:01:52]

liran_:

xris: my goal is to use mythtv's Watch TV feature where i switch channels with my mythtv's remote (pvr 150) and that also switches the channels on the cable box.

[21:02:39]

xris:

liran_: http://irblaster.info

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misieq:

xris: is it possibly dvbscan?

[21:03:03]

xris:

misieq: sounds like it

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liran_:

xris: thanks. let me do some reading

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Cardoe:

xris: what remote do you have for your setup?

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xris:

Cardoe: same as kormoc.. microsoft mce

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Cardoe:

the receiver works in Linux?

[21:04:57]

misieq:

it says "filter timeout"

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melunko:

xris: the list below "Sort by time..." is empty. Should it list the available channels?

[21:05:35]

Liebrand:

hiya guys... i've got mythtv on ubuntu (via some deb packages)... but I think I need the svn-0.19-fixes branch, which are not to be found in packages... do you recommend removing my installation first and then compiling from source, or just compiling from source?

[21:05:36]

Liebrand:

don't really want to lose all my settings / mysql db / etc

[21:05:36]

Cardoe:

probably removing it.

[21:05:36]

Cardoe:

you don't lose settings

[21:05:43]

Liebrand:

removing with apt (purge) won't remove the db ? or recordings i already have etc?

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Liebrand:

gonna try a different irc client, this one is not too great...

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xris:

misieq: you've reached the limit of my knowledge on the subject...

[21:09:06]

xris:

Cardoe: works perfectly with lirc .8

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xris:

melunko: did you set up the channels in mythtv-setup?

[21:10:06]

Cardoe:

xris: cool.

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Cardoe:

usb right?

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jelte:

hello? this is a little test

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opello:

test successful

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jelte:

I just got my shiny macbook this morning... trying out which irc client works the best :-)

[21:12:28]

liran_:

xris: ok tell me if i got it right...

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melunko:

xris: yes, I created a new channel by hand

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jelte:

ok, so am I correct in the fact that A) 0.19-fixes resolves slow channel changing on DVB-T cards in the UK? and that B) it resolves an issue where if you use MySQL 5, you lose your recording schedules?

[21:14:37]

Aid`:

what sort of software do you need for an IR Blaster? lirc?

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melunko:

xris: The channel I created is in the debug: Channel(/dev/video0)::Tune(218250000, , analog)

[21:15:05]

liran_:

xris: the cable box stays connected to the tv like it was before. i need to connect to the mythtv box a device called an ir blaster which is basically an ir transmitter. when im on watch tv mode, the mythtv software "captures" the channel up/down commands i press on the mythtv remote and send it through the ir transmitter which the cable box receives and therefore changes the channel. is that about right?

[21:22:19]

jelte:

everyone gone to sleep?

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xris:

liran_: cable box plugs into mythbox, mythbox plugs into tv... ir blaster *is* an ir transmitter (no "basically")... mythtv is configured with a "channel change script" that calls LIRC to send signals out the ir blaster for channel change.

[21:23:02]

xris:

melunko: why are you creating a channel by hand?

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xris:

Aid`: lirc, correct

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melunko:

xris: The analog signal here is poor, mythtv scan doesn't find them

[21:24:49]

xris:

melunko: mythtv doesn't scan analog channels

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xris:

you need xmltv

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Juski:

gardengnome: been doing some documenting ;-)

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liran_:

xris: ok. that clears out some things.

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melunko:

ok, but I put a good frequency in my channel

[21:25:38]

gardengnome:

Juski: uh-huh? about what?

[21:25:47]

Juski:

gardengnome: just the s100 :-)

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melunko:

is there problem if xmltv data is empty?

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liran_:

xris: so getting more practical... the pvr 150 comes with an ir receiver for the pvr remote and with an ir blaster. any idea if that's supported? and do i need a 2nd instance of lirc to run to send the signals from the ir blaster to the cable box?

[21:26:07]

gardengnome:

Juski: sounds nice. is it online somewhere?

[21:26:12]

Juski:

a guy at work has bought an s100.. I will never get any peace now

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Juski:

gardengnome: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/s100/ for now

[21:26:35]

gardengnome:

hehe. some guy in mythtv-de asked me how he can enter the BIOS, hrhr

[21:27:32]

Juski:

did you tell him to pour petrol all over himself, then while holding down all the remote buttons, smoke a cigarette to get into the BIOS ?

[21:28:20]

gardengnome:

Juski: the regular process is painful enough already

[21:28:33]

Juski:

lol

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gardengnome:

where exactly is the documentation? ;)

[21:30:01]

Juski:

haha.. index.html hasn't been uploaded yet

[21:30:38]

Juski:

xris: just about to try the latest SVN

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stuarta:

what happened to the mouseover's for extended descriptions in mythweb myth status page?

[21:31:54]

stuarta:

the stuff that used to be in the mouseover is dumped inline.

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Juski:

xris: still can't reproduce the problem

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xris:

Juski: will try it when I get home

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Juski:

trying the 4:3 theme now

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Juski:

aha!

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Juski:

weird. ALT+TAB brings the missing elements back

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xris:

yes

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xris:

Juski: only the 4:3 theme?

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gardengnome:

Juski: did you take some of the graphics from the zenega wiki?

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Juski:

xris: seemingly

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Juski:

gardengnome: ahem...

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xris:

Juski: odd

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gardengnome:

Juski: might wanna take care of copyright stuff ;)

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Juski:

hmmm

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Juski:

I'll redraw the images then. can't be bothered to contact the wiki peeps

[21:55:23]

gardengnome:

Juski: just read the licence, maybe it's GFDL or something.

[21:56:01]

Juski:

licence.. blah blah preamble blah waffle ;-)

[21:56:35]

gardengnome:

hehe

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jelte:

anyone here know if knoppmyth is a live distro? or does it install itself on the HD ?

[21:58:01]

gardengnome:

jelte: frontend is live; you'll need to install it to disk to get the full combined frontend/backend awesomness

[21:58:49]

jelte:

hmmm well I have ubuntu now... i'd prefer to keep that, as I'm using it for a ton of other stuff

[21:59:12]

jelte:

but getting 0.19-fixes on there requires me to compile everything.... rather than installing some deb packages

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Juski:

xris: definitely only seeing the weirdness with the 4:3 theme

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ar24:

I recently built a mythbox and noticed that it's saving its recordings as .mpeg instead of .nuv files (and at least one DVD authoring program seems to take them in just fine). Was this a preference I set or something I compiled as an option without knowing it?

[22:08:00]

stuarta:

ar24: dvb cards and other cards which output mpeg are saved in mpeg by default.

[22:08:50]

ar24:

Thanks. Second question. Is there a preference to keep the backend from running commercial flagging jobs while the frontend is doing playback? It's lagging my playback every three or four seconds.

[22:09:53]

ar24:

I'm running 0.19 under Ubuntu 6.

[22:10:16]

ar24:

Compile instructions were modified from Hyams' Breezy instructions.

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jelte:

gardengnome: did you point me to hamsta.net ?

[22:10:47]

stuarta:

your best option is to limit the time window in which jobs can be run....

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ar24:

So set them to run at midnight?

[22:11:06]

gardengnome:

jelte: yep.

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gardengnome:

jelte: any problems?

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jelte:

no, i just only now realized that the components in there have different names! duh

[22:11:37]

stuarta:

ar24: yep, pretty much

[22:11:48]

ar24:

That's cool. I'll check the docs on how that's done.

[22:11:49]

jelte:

gardengnome: should there not be some overall 'mythtv' component? actually all I really want is the backend

[22:12:20]

gardengnome:

jelte: apt-get install mythtv-backend ;)

[22:13:41]

jelte:

gardengnome: what is the latest version though? most of the packages i see are 0.19.fixes (which I think is what I want)... but the mythtv-backend is version svn20060212

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Juski:

oh crap. mythtv-setup is built with an old library :-/

[22:14:05]

jelte:

aahh i take that back!

[22:15:53]

jelte:

stupid apt decided the version i had was fine...

[22:16:01]

jelte:

forced the upgrade now... fingers crossed!

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ar24:

Did the 2.6.16–25 kernel mess up IVTV for anyone else? I ended up telling grub to boot 2.6.16–23.

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Zider:

has anyone managed to compile mythstream 0.17 yet?

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Juski:

Zider: works in minimyth, so I guess _yes_

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jelte:

gardengnome: does it not need mythtv-database also? it hasn't installed it

[22:21:13]

Zider:

hm.. I just can't het the damn thing to compile.. I've been trying 3 different svn versions :P

[22:21:20]

gardengnome:

jelte: if you had installed mythtv-database earlier, you should be ok.

[22:21:51]

jelte:

i but i removed it all... cuz the different versions were screwing up... dont tell me that means I lost my db in mysql!? :-/

[22:22:35]

gardengnome:

jelte: now.

[22:22:41]

gardengnome:

jelte: err, no. you're fine.

[22:22:49]

gardengnome:

well, you should be fine :)

[22:22:50]

ar24:

As an experiment I ran VLC as a server on my mythbox and VLC on a nearby computer as a client and got good results streaming recorded video from the mythbox to the other computer. How naive is it to try to rewrite mythweb's hotlinks to the recordings to stream them from VLC instead (remember, the Hauppauge recorded them to MPEG2, not NUV)?

[22:23:12]

jelte:

gardengnome: pfew... so i dont need that component right? excellent... lemme run to the lounge and give this baby a whir (sp??)!

[22:23:16]

gardengnome:

ar24: talk to xris, i think there's something like this already going on

[22:23:35]

ar24:

I'm new here. Where do I find xris?

[22:23:49]

stuarta:

ar24: ask and wait around.

[22:23:53]

ar24:

Thanks.

[22:25:34]

ar24:

Is Mythbrowser reusing the Konqueror codebase (the cookie questions look familiar)?

[22:25:49]

GreyFoxx:

ar24: I believe it is

[22:25:56]

GreyFoxx:

I think it'sjust a "wrapper" around it

[22:25:58]

Kelerion:

ok.. this is gonna take some figuring

[22:26:01]

gardengnome:

ar24: yep, kdelibs..

[22:27:04]

ar24:

Is there a project to keep the RSS feedlist up to date or a frontend for editing it (I know it's XML)?

[22:27:13]

jelte:

gardengnome: thanks!!! its all working, and I have all my recording schedules back! :-) changing channels, or just going to live tv still takes about 40 to 50 seconds though :-(

[22:28:21]

xris:

ar24: currently, 3rd party mythstreamtv plugin does it. future, it'll be integrated into mythweb via mythexport

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ar24:

xris, did you see my earlier question about VLC streaming through the web interface?

[22:30:03]

xris:

ar24: that's what I just answered

[22:30:09]

ar24:

Ouch. Sorry.

[22:30:35]

ar24:

I thought you were referring to the feedlist question.

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ar24:

Dan Hyams claims in his Ubuntu install instructions that "There are some problems with the generally available version of ffmpeg." and goes on to give instructions on compiling it from scratch. I followed these and the end result was Ubuntu bothering me to "upgrade" back to the current ffmpeg in the repository. Eventually I caved in and let it do this, with no visible aftereffects. Does...

[22:39:31]

ar24:

...anyone here know what Hyams was talking about?

[22:40:21]

ar24:

(He doesn't answer my email)

[22:40:23]

kormoc:

who is Dan Hyams?

[22:40:31]

ar24:

http://hyams.webhop.net/mythtv/myth_ubuntu.html

[22:40:42]

gardengnome:

ar24: set it to hold...

[22:41:30]

ar24:

Can I uninstall ffmpeg from Debian/Ubuntu and recompile it without removing/reinstalling Myth?

[22:41:46]

ar24:

(i.e. will Myth break)

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kormoc:

ar24, ahh, it's about nuvexport, yean, ffmpeg isn't a myth requirement, it's a nuvexport requirement

[22:41:58]

kormoc:

ar24, as long as you don't use nuvexport, you don't need ffmpeg at all

[22:42:09]

ar24:

And because I don't use nuv, it's irrelevant.

[22:42:19]

kormoc:

nuvexport isn't just for nuvs

[22:42:30]

kormoc:

it's just a name

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kormoc:

it just exports video files out of myth in different formats and nice names

[22:42:48]

ar24:

Oh.

[22:42:57]

kormoc:

as well as some other nifty but less used features

[22:43:48]

ar24:

Bottom line: nuvexport and ffmpeg aren't being used by the frontend or the backend.

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kormoc:

right, it'd be something you would run by hand if you wanted to use it

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ar24:

For transcoding later.

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** kormoc nods **

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kormoc:

well, if you want to use transcode, you don't need ffmpeg at all

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kormoc:

nuvexport works with ffmpeg or transcode, and defaults to ffmpeg, but you can switch that if you desire

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ar24:

You'll laugh or cry when I describe the box I inherited to build this. It had 512Mb RAM, 200Gb HD — and a 450MHz PIII from the days of BIOSes too dumb to find boot sectors past the first 1000 cylinders.

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ar24:

It records and plays back fine, excepting hiccups from running flagging jobs.

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ar24:

Compiling Myth itself took 3 hours. Transcoding--forget it.

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kormoc:

fair nuff

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gardengnome:

hehe, i'm using a P3 450, too. workd great with xvmc.

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ar24:

A new user of the local LUG thinks he has an 800MHz Slot 1 100MHz FSB card he might part with.

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jelte:

alright guys, thanks for all the help... catch you later

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ar24:

I mean, the last Mac I owned from 1995 could digitize video realtime and that was a 100MHz PowerPC.

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ar24:

But if I were using it to transcode, I think it would have burst into flames.

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ar24:

As I asked earlier, did anyone else have the most recent 2.6.15–25 kernel make ivtv disappear from modprobe?

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kormoc:

you need to recompile ivtv after every kernel version update

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Juski:

blimey.. latest svn mythbackend still pulls 50% cpu

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ar24:

Believe me, I did.

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kormoc:

ar24, and it's in /lib/modules/kernel-version/ ?

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ar24:

Uh-huh.

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stuarta:

Juski: you asking it to do something difficult?

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kormoc:

and modprobe ivtv says?

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Juski:

stuarta: just switched over to EIT to try it

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ar24:

I'm doing this from memory, but I got a fatal error and no module.

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kormoc:

well, that's not it disappearing from modprobe

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stuarta:

it's um, okay....

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Juski:

mythbackend is about 50%, mysqld is around 10% on this 800mhz box

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kormoc:

that's an error, and it depends on the error as to what's wrong

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kormoc:

it could be that you need a new/older version of ivtv

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kormoc:

as specific versions of ivtv are made for specific versions of the kernel

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ar24:

I'll reread ivtv's site. From what I understood of what Iread there the new kernel was still inside the range for the version I compiled against it.

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ar24:

I think it was 0.4.5.

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kormoc:

well, copy and paste us the error that you are getting and we can help out more

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Juski:

and I'm guessing the 'useonairguide' column in the channel table is deprecated now

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ar24:

Can do. I'll try it again later and take better notes.

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stuarta:

Juski: nope

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ar24:

Again, thanks to everyone for answering my questions.

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Juski:

stuarta: well. that field is set to 0 for all my channels & it seems to be pulling data for them

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** stuarta wonders if he has any chance of the train system functioning tomorrow **

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stuarta:

Juski: hmmm, shouldn't.

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Juski:

either way, i can't live with this cpu hogginh

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Juski:

*hogging

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Juski:

interesting.. column "chanid" cannot be null

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Juski:

ah

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xris:

anyone here know debian?

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Juski:

chanid didn't contain nulls, but mplexid did :-/

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stuarta:

xris: yep

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xris:

stuarta: ok, will continue back in #mythtv, then

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Juski:

stuarta: just a quick Q.. I have daft numbers for mplexid.. like 22 & such.. is there a quick & easy way to delete all the channels & muxes & reset the autocounter?

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stuarta:

Juski: only starting a new database.

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Juski:

nm then.. just doing a scan

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Juski:

wow. fastest ever scan!

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stuarta:

doubt your frequencies are correct though?

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Juski:

yeah they were correct

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Juski:

just scanned existing transports

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Juski:

mythbackend is still hogging cpu

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** stuarta is amazed **

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Kelerion:

this server is bloody confusing.. lol

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Kelerion:

it's take about 10 mins to get past POST (and I don't think they call it post!) lol

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Juski:

right.. until I start livetv, all is calm

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SarahEmm:

hihi!

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Kelerion:

hoho!

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Juski:

as soon as I start livetv, mythbackend cpu usage spikes... and it doesn't in 0.19-fixes – also doesn't when I rip out the EIT stuff

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Juski:

Kelerion: I used to supervise/maintain a Sun test line... maybe they forgot to disable all the extra extra verbose POSTing :-P

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stuarta:

Juski: should settle down after a short period of time....

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Juski:

stuarta: I hope so.. I'll give it a while. I can see it updating the tables now, whereas before I just had errors

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Juski:

seeing a lot of "We started a PES packet, without a payloadstart.."

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Kelerion:

it does something called "openboot".. then restarts (saying "good! everything is fine!") then fires up something call.. then does POST (again.."good! everything is fine!") and reboots.. then starts to boot the OS...

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Juski:

Kelerion: sounds about right then

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stuarta:

there's an open ticket about that. If I can find out what it causing it ......

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Juski:

Kelerion: Netra takes ages to boot into the OS too

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kormoc:

Juski, time to start downloading revisions and compiling! :)

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Juski:

kormoc: I've got the latest SVN... as of a few hours ago anyway

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kormoc:

aye, time to go backwards! :)

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Juski:

though it's just gone up 2 revs since I last updated lol

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Juski:

kormoc: naw.. if this was a production system I'd be apoplectic ;-)

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Juski:

I'm only playing

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kormoc:

heh, yeah, but if you just go back in the same dir, you'd only recompile the changed files (at least, that's how it should work), which is a faster compile time

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Juski:

well I have ccache, which helps

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SarahEmm:

is there any advantage of the -250 over the -350?

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SarahEmm:

the -350 is cheaper here (??)

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Juski:

the pvr350 framebuffer support might not be around forever

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Juski:

better to buy 2x pvr150 cards or one pvr500 IMHO

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SarahEmm:

they don't support captioning

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SarahEmm:

i just sold my -500 to buy a -250 or -350 heh

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Juski:

oh yeah.. ouch

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SarahEmm:

gave up on waiting or ever having time to write the code myself

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SarahEmm:

i'm only going to use it as an *en*coder right now. but if thet -350 is cheaper i might as well get it then, no?

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Juski:

buy the 350 then – you don't _have_ to use the crappy framebuffer, after all

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SarahEmm:

yeah

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SarahEmm:

alright :)

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SarahEmm:

the -250/-350 are still almost as much as a -500, yikes

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Juski:

try ebay

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SarahEmm:

true

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SarahEmm:

people might be upgrading the other way, from -2/350 to -500 ;)

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Juski:

its a big pity you don't have access to DVB signals, the support for captions & the like is very very good with DVB

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SarahEmm:

is it?

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SarahEmm:

that'd be good. it's decent on bttv cards, but i'd like to be able to run multiple tuners

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Juski:

subtitles, secondary audio ...

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SarahEmm:

i don't have access to DVB. my options are analog/digital cable, TV-over-VDSL, or antenna

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Juski:

like I said.. a pity ;-)

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SarahEmm:

heh

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** SarahEmm agrees **

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kormoc:

you could rent a box from Juski and a high-speed inet line to transfer the data!

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GreyFoxx:

Hrm, does latest SVN have some sort of minimum IVTV version requirement ? I just updated and now myth keeps complaining timeouts talking to the ivtv driver, but flipping back to the previous version works just fine

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SarahEmm:

kormoc: err, what?

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SarahEmm:

oh i see hehe

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SarahEmm:

hmm, i could keep my -500, get two caption decoders that are external, and ir-blast to them to channel-change. that'd get me two tuners in the one slot like i wanted ;)

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SarahEmm:

i'd end up with burned-in captions tho

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mchou:

SarahEmm: somebody told me that cc has been added to ivtv cvs

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mchou:

SarahEmm: for 150, that is

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SarahEmm:

O.O

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SarahEmm:

really?

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** SarahEmm looks **

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mchou:

that's what they said

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mchou:

no idea if it really works

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Juski:

oh bloody nora

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Juski:

stupid umbongo... didn't have dma enabled!

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opello:

haha

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opello:

oh sorry – wrong window

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Juski:

I just ummm assumed, so didn't think to look at that

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opello:

irssi window focus should read my mind :)

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CaCtus491:

anyone here using a mac mini as a frontend?

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