| Sunday, June 25th, 2006, 00:04 UTC | ||
| [00:04:42] | ** kayelem tries to be patient ** | |
| [00:04:49] | kayelem: | maybe I've not been here long enough? |
| [00:07:33] | Hoxzer_: | maan .... I wached prison break |
| [00:07:48] | Hoxzer_: | and t here was that one guy who was getting ass rape by this HUGE MAN |
| [00:07:51] | Hoxzer_: | all the time |
| [00:08:04] | Hoxzer_: | ...... and now I keep thinking how terrible it would be |
| [00:08:30] | Hoxzer_: | I find it hard to get sleep ^^ |
| [00:08:39] | NightMonkey: | Waaaay OT. |
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| [00:10:21] | Juski: | Hoxzer_: just have a change of heart & think how nice it might be under different circumstances.. :-P |
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| [00:11:07] | kayelem: | agh. what have Gentoo done that I'm missing..? xhost+<host> on one box, DISPLAY set right on another; "cannot connect to X server" on any X app... |
| [00:11:11] | Hoxzer_: | ... |
| [00:11:14] | Hoxzer_: | never :( |
| [00:11:18] | Juski: | Hoxzer_: don't ever watch the film 'Scum' then |
| [00:11:43] | kayelem: | all worked when my workstation was a Slackware box so i guess Gentoo have disabled it somewhere I've yet to find. |
| [00:11:50] | NightMonkey: | kayelem: Using SSH? |
| [00:12:01] | kayelem: | NightMonkey, yeah. |
| [00:12:10] | NightMonkey: | kayelem: Use "ssh -YC <host>", and see if that works. |
| [00:12:59] | kayelem: | NightMonkey, I used to just ssh in with no options from the Slackware box and it used to work... guess some default setting's different somewhere. |
| [00:13:11] | NightMonkey: | kayelem: And ssh into the account from which you are running the app (i.e. don't su). |
| [00:13:28] | NightMonkey: | kayelem: I think Gentoo tightended some things up in that department, but I'm not sure of the specifics. |
| [00:13:38] | Juski: | wooohooo.. a ropey google translation tells me my s100 box is on its way |
| [00:13:58] | kayelem: | NightMonkey, probably – I think Slackware was pretty open about remote X; not that I cared; it's all behind a firewall |
| [00:13:59] | Juski: | poor guy got knocked off his bike :-/ |
| [00:14:33] | NightMonkey: | kayelem: Also, if that doesn't work, check your /etc/ssh/sshd_config options on the host you're connecting to. See if "X11Forwarding yes" is set. |
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| [00:15:36] | kayelem: | NightMonkey, aha! *ding* |
| [00:15:48] | NightMonkey: | And, to be clear, you *were* using "options" in Slack, but the options were in your ssh_config file, rather than on your command line. ;) But, I'm splitting hairs. |
| [00:15:53] | kayelem: | NightMonkey, you can tell I've never touched this before and it just worked, can't you..? |
| [00:16:18] | Juski: | riiight.. I'd better go be the wifey-taxi service |
| [00:16:20] | NightMonkey: | kayelem: No problem! We all have been there. I'm still there with other apps ;). |
| [00:16:56] | kayelem: | kayelem, just switched distros on my desktop this week; still finding out what's changed... |
| [00:17:12] | kayelem: | NightMonkey, even... damn... why do i keep *doing* that..? |
| [00:17:18] | ** kayelem blames the caffeine... ** | |
| [00:17:39] | NightMonkey: | kayelem: Welcome to Gentoo. Hope you like it. |
| [00:18:17] | kayelem: | NightMonkey, I just got tired of manually sorting deps every time I built something big from source on the slackware box. Still run it on my servers, mind. |
| [00:18:47] | kayelem: | Since I tended to build everything from source, gentoo looked like the logical one to switch to. |
| [00:19:18] | kayelem: | I stuck gentoo on my *partners* box first, mind... |
| [00:19:31] | NightMonkey: | kayelem: Ya, that was my problem when I first took on Gentoo – all of my "critical apps" + the kernel were hand compiled, but not in a "managed" fashion. |
| [00:19:44] | NightMonkey: | kayelem: Whoah, that's a sneaky move. |
| [00:19:48] | kayelem: | heh |
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| [00:19:56] | kayelem: | well, I admin all the boxen here |
| [00:21:15] | kayelem: | NightMonkey, my partner likes it anyway. KDE + lots of apps; and I keep it all updated. |
| [00:22:10] | kayelem: | likes the MythTV box as well... :) |
| [00:24:03] | ** kayelem wonders how many appreciate a geek as a partner for all the cool stuff that results..? ** | |
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| [00:37:46] | netmask: | hum... my tv card (pixelview playtvpro ultra) won't show up on mythtv-setup... does it mean it's unsupported? (it's working fine with kdetv) |
| [00:39:23] | kayelem: | netmask, ok... deduced it's nothing to do with ssh... X on my local box is not allowing connections... at least I have a clue to work on now. |
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| [00:52:23] | Anduin: | kayelem: -nolisten tcp (should be settable in your kdm/gdm config) |
| [00:53:21] | kayelem: | Anduin, seems to be down to gentoo using xauth; slackware didn't. |
| [00:54:19] | Dagmar: | Huh? Since when |
| [00:54:27] | kayelem: | uh, I dunno... |
| [00:54:34] | kayelem: | still headscratching... |
| [00:54:36] | Dagmar: | Slackware doens't disable xauth |
| [00:54:44] | kayelem: | I hate it when stuff just stops working... |
| [00:55:21] | kayelem: | Dagmar, well, I've never had to much about with cookies previously... it just worked... damn, i ned more coffee, brain's not working... |
| [00:55:44] | Dagmar: | Probably one side or the other of the connection isn't trying to relay X stuff anymore is all |
| [00:56:07] | Dagmar: | I finally started making my own OpenSSH packages just to get rid of that problme |
| [00:57:46] | Dagmar: | But And is right... one -nolisten tcp can really ruin you day |
| [00:57:51] | Dagmar: | s/you/your/ |
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| [01:00:19] | Aid`: | does anyone in here stream their mythtv recordings? |
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| [01:14:10] | sfullenwider: | Does mysql have to be running constantly for mythtv? |
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| [01:15:54] | Anduin: | sfullenwider: Yes. |
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| [01:23:33] | gardengnome: | |
| [01:23:38] | gardengnome: | oops. sorry. |
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| [01:33:09] | scottder: | gardengnome: so'k most exciting thing to happen in an hour |
| [01:33:09] | scottder: | :) |
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| [01:35:34] | Dagmar: | Maybe we need to set something on fire to liven the place up. |
| [01:36:13] | ** scottder lights Dagmar on fire ** | |
| [01:36:49] | ** Dagmar burns with a furious anger. ** | |
| [01:37:23] | Dagmar: | NOW I'm ready to deal with forums. |
| [01:38:10] | kayelem: | hehe |
| [01:38:41] | ** kayelem has finally expunged a sneaky -nolisten tcp hiding in 'startx' and is a happy bunny now :) ** | |
| [01:44:05] | ** kayelem dances the "I can run mythtv-setup remotely" dance ** | |
| [01:44:21] | kayelem: | I must be losing my touch; it's taken *ages* to sort this, dammit. |
| [01:46:43] | LLyric: | kayelem: uh, why not X-over-ssh tunneL/ |
| [01:46:43] | LLyric: | ? |
| [01:47:35] | kayelem: | LLyric, I run x apps remotely off several other boxes; I'm behind a firewall, and have no issue running insecure stuff this side of my LAN... |
| [01:47:55] | kayelem: | telnet in, start app, app appears... |
| [01:48:16] | LLyric: | Wouldn't X-over-ssh offer the same thing, much more securely and firewall-friendly? |
| [01:48:17] | kayelem: | some of my boxen are ancient and hellishly slow over an encrypted connection. |
| [01:48:28] | LLyric: | ok |
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| [01:48:43] | LLyric: | Must be helluva slow for ssh to matter, compared to network traffic |
| [01:48:45] | kayelem: | you tried X over ssh to a 50MHz SPARC box? :-D |
| [01:49:08] | LLyric: | Turning of ssh compression might help a bit? |
| [01:49:10] | LLyric: | off |
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| [01:49:41] | kayelem: | I'd run X-over-ssh if i was connecting from outside; but within this LAN there's so much insecure stuff going on anyway (tftp, mysql, etc) it hardly matters |
| [01:50:15] | LLyric: | Okay ;) |
| [01:51:06] | kayelem: | I cba tunneling everything over ssh, so it seems kinda hypocritical to have secure X connections when my database stuff, file sharing, booting ancient X terminals etc is unencrypted. |
| [01:51:51] | LLyric: | Sure. ssh just seemed *easier*, rather than harder. But if the machines are super-slow, that could be a reasonable reason :) |
| [01:52:05] | kayelem: | world-facing boxes are in a DMZ; there's nobody on the LAN I don't trust (me and my partner, really) |
| [01:52:57] | kayelem: | If I were adminning a corporate LAN I'd nail things down a bit tighter |
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| [01:57:12] | sfullenwider: | I'm kinda new to mythtv, cat /dev//video > test.mpeg produces video..but the video has no sound... any idea why? |
| [01:57:26] | LLyric: | kayelem: feel like helping TTT_Travis with similar problem? (x11 from remote machine) |
| [01:58:26] | LLyric: | TTT_Travis: fire up a command prompt, then use "ssh -X user@mythbox" |
| [01:58:49] | TTT_Travis: | on the frontend or backend? |
| [01:58:49] | LLyric: | TTT_Travis: login, and check the value of $DISPLAY. It should be localhost:0 or something like that |
| [01:59:03] | TTT_Travis: | backend |
| [01:59:05] | TTT_Travis: | ok |
| [01:59:07] | LLyric: | TTT_Travis: ssh to the backend, that's where you want to run the setup |
| [01:59:17] | LLyric: | ssh *from* your workstation (a mac, you said?) |
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| [01:59:33] | TTT_Travis: | yeah |
| [01:59:44] | TTT_Travis: | should I be sshing from an x11 prompt on my mac or the terminal program? |
| [01:59:59] | LLyric: | I don't know macs, sorry. Try either. |
| [02:00:02] | TTT_Travis: | k |
| [02:00:28] | LLyric: | You might need "-Y" rather than "-X" with OSX 10.4 |
| [02:00:38] | LLyric: | They changed the behaviour of ssh a little |
| [02:01:22] | TTT_Travis: | $display isn't set |
| [02:01:29] | LLyric: | capital letters |
| [02:01:48] | LLyric: | I really don't know anything about macs, whether you need another product there, or how to work this |
| [02:02:55] | sfullenwider: | 2006-06–24 20:59:35.356 RingBuf(/recordings/1002_20060624205935.nuv): Invalid file (fd 15) when opening '/recordings/1002_20060624205935.nuv'. 12 retries remaining. |
| [02:03:56] | kayelem: | TTT_Travis, I'd assume that if you're running X on the Mac; and $DISPLAY on the remote box is set to <mac-hostname>:0.0 then you're in with a chance. |
| [02:04:12] | kayelem: | I have a powerbook here but haven't put X on it yet. |
| [02:04:24] | kayelem: | so i'm not in a position to try stuff here yet |
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| [02:04:39] | LLyric: | kayelem: the mac isn't likely to accept remote X11 connections (without xhost+) is it? |
| [02:05:15] | kayelem: | LLyric, nope, xhost+ <remote-hostname> in a terminal should sort that. |
| [02:05:15] | LLyric: | kayelem: hence tunnel over X11, in which case $DISPLAY should be something like "localhost:10.0" |
| [02:05:31] | LLyric: | kayelem: that why I said it :) |
| [02:05:48] | Dagmar: | ...excepting that using the xhost command to override X security controls just isn't safe |
| [02:05:56] | Dagmar: | Don't do it outside your own home |
| [02:05:56] | kayelem: | well, when i telnet into remote boxen, $DISPLAY is set anyway. |
| [02:05:59] | ** LLyric wouldn't use "xhost +" it's evil ** | |
| [02:06:23] | kayelem: | it's safe behind a firewall on a LAN with userson you trust... |
| [02:06:29] | LLyric: | kayelem: probably default for your ssh client, if running in an x-enabled environ |
| [02:06:29] | Dagmar: | Maybe. |
| [02:06:33] | kayelem: | corporate LANs and across the net, no way...! |
| [02:06:45] | Dagmar: | There's that whole "crunchy on the outside, chewey on the inside" thing you get from making decisions like that |
| [02:07:03] | Dagmar: | You really shouldn't lower your security profile just because you're behind a firewall. |
| [02:07:09] | kayelem: | Dagmar, so much other stuff in here that's insecure anyway... |
| [02:07:18] | ** LLyric just tunnels over ssh all the time – my 'net connections are slow enough, and the PCs are fast enough, that the difference is not noticiable ** | |
| [02:07:24] | kayelem: | Dagmar, tftp booting ancient x terminals... |
| [02:07:44] | Dagmar: | Stuff like that is how ATMs around the world start showing "I R inf3ct3d m1t e1ne v1ru$en" on their displays |
| [02:08:00] | kayelem: | Dagmar, my partner uses an ancient laptop to connect to a workstation with XDMCP... |
| [02:08:25] | kayelem: | Dagmar, just way too much inconvenience involved in tunnelling everything. |
| [02:08:38] | Dagmar: | So long as you don't assign those machines *trust* relationships for other machines, that's fine. |
| [02:08:38] | kayelem: | And some machines won't do it; like my old Acorn RISC OS boxen. |
| [02:08:47] | LLyric: | ANYWAY, we were helping TTT_Travis, not having a sysadmin discussion :) |
| [02:08:57] | LLyric: | My slowest box is still 166Mhz :) |
| [02:08:57] | Dagmar: | If you start allowing, say, unauthenticated ssh'ing into other boxes as root from those machines, that's just stupid. |
| [02:09:09] | ** LLyric doesn't allow root ssh *anywhere* ** | |
| [02:09:11] | Zider: | mine is 7,14MHz |
| [02:09:14] | Zider: | :P |
| [02:09:38] | kayelem: | LLyric, slowest box here is a 4MHz Acorn box... |
| [02:09:54] | ** kayelem collects ancient hardware :) ** | |
| [02:09:57] | Dagmar: | Why don't you just use a space heater |
| [02:10:17] | kayelem: | heh, I have a Sun SS1000 and an AlphaServer if it gets cold... |
| [02:10:24] | Zider: | acorn? what cpu? |
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| [02:10:43] | Travis_: | sorry internet went out |
| [02:10:48] | Travis_: | what should DISPLAY be set too? |
| [02:11:39] | LLyric: | Travis_: depends how you want to do this: direct X access, or tunnel over SSH |
| [02:12:00] | Travis_: | it would have to be over ssh right? |
| [02:12:07] | LLyric: | Not if you're on the same lan |
| [02:12:08] | LLyric: | The former is a little insecure (shouldn't matter for a LAN), the latter is easier |
| [02:12:18] | Travis_: | whatever is easier |
| [02:12:40] | kayelem: | Zider, sorry, brain-fade – Acorn A3000 – 8MHz ARM2 |
| [02:12:53] | Zider: | ah, ARM2 |
| [02:13:01] | LLyric: | start a shell on your mac box. run "xhost +". login to the remote machine. "export DISPLAY=yourmachine:0". Start xterm (or setup) |
| [02:13:09] | Zider: | hm, didn't you say 4MHz? |
| [02:13:15] | Travis_: | yourmachine being the mac? |
| [02:13:21] | kayelem: | Zider, yah... brain-fade... |
| [02:13:24] | Zider: | ahh |
| [02:13:31] | Zider: | I beat you then ;) |
| [02:13:33] | LLyric: | yes. an ip address, or a name resolvable by the backend. |
| [02:13:50] | kayelem: | Zider, I do have a BBC B but haven't got it on the LAN yet... |
| [02:14:03] | Zider: | BBC B? |
| [02:14:10] | kayelem: | Zider, and my NewBrain's a little poorly atm... |
| [02:14:37] | kayelem: | Zider, Acorn BBC Microcomputer Model B, to give it it's full title. Nice machine in the day. |
| [02:15:04] | kayelem: | Zider: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_Micro |
| [02:15:32] | Travis_: | thanks Kayelem it worked |
| [02:15:52] | Zider: | kayelem: cute :D |
| [02:15:58] | Zider: | mine is an Amiga 500 |
| [02:16:00] | Zider: | :D |
| [02:16:23] | kayelem: | heh, cool... Got an Amiga 1200 here as well... |
| [02:16:32] | kayelem: | Old computers come here to die... |
| [02:16:34] | Zider: | yeah, same here |
| [02:16:37] | Zider: | 500+1200 :D |
| [02:16:46] | Zider: | the C64 "had" to go |
| [02:16:50] | kayelem: | heh |
| [02:17:38] | kayelem: | ...anyway – you see the problem of trying to keep everything secure *inside* the LAN with ancient stuff like this on it occasionally... |
| [02:18:22] | kayelem: | this side of the LAN still has a thinnet segment for my "junk" :) |
| [02:19:34] | confused: | kayelem: that's quite a museum you have! |
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| [02:20:05] | kayelem: | confused, been at it a while... apart from the 'puters there's valve radios, tape recorders, TV sets... :) |
| [02:20:07] | Dagmar: | Still sounds like a cop-out answer. |
| [02:20:28] | Dagmar: | It's fine to have inadequately secured equipemnt on your network, but that statement alone is fallacious |
| [02:20:39] | Travis_: | I can't connect to my frontend |
| [02:20:40] | Travis_: | QMYSQL3: Unable to connect |
| [02:20:41] | Travis_: | Database error was: |
| [02:20:41] | Travis_: | Can't connect to MySQL server on '192.168.1.5' (61) |
| [02:20:44] | kayelem: | Dagmar, <shrug> If this was a corporate LAN things would be different... |
| [02:20:46] | Dagmar: | It's fine to have this equipment *if* you've taken steps to prevent it lowering your overall security. |
| [02:20:48] | Travis_: | when running mythfrontend ^ |
| [02:21:02] | confused: | kayelem: i wish i still had all the old machines i've owned at one time or another |
| [02:21:11] | Dagmar: | Travis_: You've enabled remote connections to the mysqld? |
| [02:21:28] | Dagmar: | I would have nowhere to sleep if I had all the machines I've ever owned |
| [02:21:42] | kayelem: | Dagmar, well, anything which needs inbound connection from the outside world is in a DMZ and has very restricted access to the LAN proper. |
| [02:21:51] | LLyric: | Travis_: that's connecting to your BACKEND |
| [02:21:51] | Dagmar: | For awhile I was taking machines in for a month or two just to vet them before reselling them |
| [02:22:17] | kayelem: | Dagmar, also those machines are OpenBSD with PF running and are nailed down pretty tightly, all unneccesary services disabled etc etc. |
| [02:22:21] | Travis_: | LLyric yeah, Dagmar, oh yeah thats probably it, how do I do that? |
| [02:22:30] | Dagmar: | kayelem: I'm mainly referring to whether or not those weaker machines are allowed unrestricted access to the rest of your internal network. |
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| [02:23:24] | confused: | i want a teletype to listen to, a sound i haven't heard in ages! |
| [02:24:23] | Dagmar: | Travis_: Well, that depends. Use netstat or something to see if it's actually listening on port 3306 (as expected) and/or check your init script to mae sure it's not being started with --skip-networking (which would make it not listen to the network at all) |
| [02:24:36] | kayelem: | confused.... this'll have to do for now – "thappa-thappa-thappa-thappa-thappa-thappa-thappa-thap-thap-thap-thappa-tha ppa-thappa-*DING*-*WHIRRR*-*CLUNK*" |
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| [02:25:42] | confused: | kayelem: sounds like you have a faulty tape punch, maybe it's clogged with chad |
| [02:26:01] | kayelem: | confused, heh... |
| [02:26:52] | kayelem: | confused, I used to use Creed model 75 teletypes on RTTY; and once had the pleasure of playing ADVENT on an ASR33 hooked to a PDP11 :) |
| [02:28:24] | confused: | kayelem: our high school had a multiuser pdp-8 with a handful of ASR-3? |
| [02:29:02] | confused: | i smell a sumpus |
| [02:29:08] | confused: | s/sumpus/wumpus/ |
| [02:30:02] | Zider: | kayelem: well, I only have 3 computers on the network and they're all modern.. :D |
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| [02:30:49] | smokey: | my myth setup keep stopping recording in the middle of shows.. sometimes it freezes the whole mythfrontend, sometimes, it just stops recording, but says its still recording.. sometimes it stops recording, says it's still recording, then starts to record it in a new file in the library (until that one craps out).. nothing in the logs looks out of the ordinary.. any one ever experience this? |
| [02:31:09] | Travis_: | I still can't get mythtv frontend to connect |
| [02:31:09] | Travis_: | Host '192.168.1.6' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server |
| [02:31:15] | Travis_: | I commented out bind-address |
| [02:31:41] | LLyric: | Maybe you should read the mythtv install guides. |
| [02:31:46] | Zider: | does the mysqld allow connections from the IP? :P |
| [02:31:47] | LLyric: | It's a mysql access issue |
| [02:31:58] | LLyric: | Try using mysql command-line client to get it right first |
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| [02:33:49] | Dagmar: | Just a reminder: No one ever said getting MythTV running wouldn't entail learning a lot about how it's various parts actually work |
| [02:33:55] | Dagmar: | Learning is good for you. |
| [02:35:54] | smokey: | actually, i found this in the backend log... select timeout – ivtv driver has stopped responding |
| [02:36:10] | Dagmar: | wait aminute |
| [02:36:15] | Dagmar: | Did I read that corrrectly? |
| [02:36:33] | smokey: | yeah, i cut and pasted it |
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| [02:36:34] | Dagmar: | ... SignOff lilo: #mythtv-users (Killed by Astinus (Please do not use tor as an abuse medium for GNAA activities.)) |
| [02:36:49] | Dagmar: | smokey: I was referring to lilo's quit message. |
| [02:37:26] | Dagmar: | Astinus is in for it now. :) |
| [02:38:00] | Dagmar: | Having the ivtv driver *stop* is very bad tho |
| [02:38:20] | confused: | smokey: i was gonna ask if you were using ivtv. i've had a few glitches like that with some versions of ivtv. which versions are you using? |
| [02:39:39] | smokey: | 0.6.2 |
| [02:40:53] | confused: | smokey: i had good luck with 0.4.2, then tried 0.4.5 had some problems. now using 0.6.2. seems better than 0.4.5, but not as stable as 0.4.2. |
| [02:41:41] | confused: | smokey: the glitches mostly occur when watching live tv and the show changes. |
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| [03:13:33] | lilo: | (whoops, Astinus mistabbed 8) |
| [03:13:44] | Dagmar: | hehe |
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| [03:29:36] | kayelem: | wahey, scored an msntv2 at last :) |
| [03:30:01] | kayelem: | now, wait a week plus for it to arrive and then the hacking shall begin... :) |
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| [03:42:11] | LabMonkey: | anyone know off-hand what the linux kernel module for the Hauppage 500 is? |
| [03:42:41] | Anduin: | LabMonkey: ivtv (it isn't in the kernel yet) |
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| [03:44:16] | LabMonkey: | ahh |
| [03:44:20] | LabMonkey: | Anduin: thanks |
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| [03:45:23] | Anduin: | kayelem: what did you bid? |
| [03:46:04] | kayelem: | Anduin, got it for $20.50; off a vendor who'll ship USPS Airmail Parcel Post... |
| [03:46:28] | kayelem: | problem was some vendors would only ship rather expensively to UK |
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| [04:17:13] | Sedorox: | w00t! |
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| [04:25:06] | kayelem: | aha, it's back. |
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| [04:25:29] | kayelem: | Anduin, where were we..? |
| [04:26:20] | kayelem: | Anduin, ah yeah... total with shipping comes to 30ukp, which is half what I'd have to pay for a s/h xbox here. |
| [04:26:32] | Anduin: | kayelem: I was going to tell you that I've been looking for another way to waste a huge amount of time and thank your for your data point. |
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| [04:27:53] | kayelem: | Anduin, ahh, thinking of joining in the fun with msntv2 + MythTV, then :) |
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| [04:30:00] | Anduin: | kayelem: Hard not to at least try (there is an ebay auction right now which tells me one is only a few miles from my house, and at what they are going for saving the shipping could get me two). |
| [04:31:00] | kayelem: | Anduin, heh; even with shipping to UK; they're such a temptation I couldn't resist... |
| [04:31:30] | kayelem: | Anduin; you've found this by now? http://mirror.toc2rta.com/index.php/Main_Page |
| [04:32:16] | Anduin: | kayelem: Yup, not yet at the point of ordering the serial chip, but close. |
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| [04:33:03] | ** LLyric watches last night's 250gp at 120%. Myth rules :) ** | |
| [04:33:12] | kayelem: | Just to add to the fun; I've challenged myself to get the VGA working then get obsolete TV standards out the thing as well. |
| [04:33:52] | kayelem: | but, well... I like wasting large amounts of time on largely pointless projects ;-) |
| [04:34:22] | kayelem: | It's be easier but less fun to build a mini itx system. |
| [04:34:36] | kayelem: | where's the fun in things that just work..? ;-) |
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| [04:34:52] | Anduin: | Have to do something with all the time you save watching news shows at 1.85x (there are only so many new shows you can use to fill that time) |
| [04:35:23] | kayelem: | hehe, indeed :) |
| [04:35:24] | LLyric: | Is the list of multiplies configurable? 0.9 and 0.5 aren't quite enough for watching stuff in slowmo. |
| [04:35:40] | LLyric: | Also, is there a key to toggle between the speed you selected, and normal, and back again? |
| [04:35:53] | LLyric: | s/multiplies/multiples/ |
| [04:36:30] | Anduin: | LLyric: If you use the menu you can do different settings I think (though .5 is the slowest I think), not real list though (or there wasn't, short of changing code). |
| [04:36:48] | LLyric: | I use the menu. Is there another way? :) |
| [04:38:12] | Anduin: | LLyric: There is probably some toggle key (there is a menu item), potentially unmapped though. |
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| [04:38:31] | LLyric: | heh |
| [04:38:33] | benlake: | hail. any gentoo users about? |
| [04:38:38] | Sedorox: | there you go ;-) |
| [04:38:53] | benlake: | :P |
| [04:40:57] | kayelem: | benlake, yup, another one here. But as it's 5.40am where i am I'm about to go crash before i fall asleep anyway. |
| [04:41:12] | kayelem: | I don't like waking up to find I've slept on a keyboard. |
| [04:41:23] | Sedorox: | lol |
| [04:41:48] | benlake: | kayelem: well one quick Q |
| [04:42:26] | benlake: | kayelem: when I'm setting up myth and selecting my tuner card. /dev/video0–15 myth says it can't see anything |
| [04:42:34] | kayelem: | ok, can't guarantee an answer... |
| [04:43:12] | kayelem: | benlake, hmm... sorry, not one I can answer... I'd suspect "driver not loaded" as a guess, though. |
| [04:43:15] | benlake: | how might I find out where my tuner card is loaded... if it's loaded |
| [04:43:28] | kayelem: | I got /dev/video0 when the driver loaded. |
| [04:43:37] | benlake: | what driver? |
| [04:43:41] | kayelem: | lsmod will list loaded kernel modules. |
| [04:44:01] | kayelem: | dmesg might give you some clue as the driver usually spits out a message when it loads. |
| [04:44:11] | kayelem: | driver depends on your card. |
| [04:44:42] | benlake: | where would I even start to get a driver? |
| [04:45:22] | benlake: | ivtv fails to emerge.... :( |
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| [04:45:31] | k-man_: | hello |
| [04:45:37] | kayelem: | there is your problem; no driver. |
| [04:45:48] | benlake: | thought so |
| [04:46:00] | kayelem: | benlake, unfortunately, I've not used ivtv and gentoo on the same box. |
| [04:46:01] | k-man_: | why would my knoppmyth front end not be able to list the probrams that are on the back end? |
| [04:46:18] | benlake: | so you're not running myth on gentoo? |
| [04:46:40] | kayelem: | benlake, yes, but the gentoo box runs a bt878a capture card. |
| [04:47:18] | benlake: | which doesn't use ivtv... I'm guessing :P |
| [04:47:53] | kayelem: | I don't recall having anything to do with ivtv to set that up; just bt87x which is in the 2.6 kernel. |
| [04:48:48] | benlake: | I see |
| [04:49:50] | kayelem: | If you lurk around the channel gets a bit more active later; someone should be able to help you. |
| [04:50:03] | kayelem: | I know several folk in here use gentoo, and ivtv is common enough. |
| [04:54:23] | kayelem: | anyway... it's now dawn and the birds are singing; so it's bedtime... 'night... :) |
| [04:54:32] | benlake: | cya |
| [04:54:41] | k-man_: | how can i test the mythfrontend connection to the backend database |
| [04:54:51] | k-man_: | i don't think its connecting for some reason |
| [04:57:13] | Anduin: | k-man_: The frontend would tell you rather quickly if that were the case. |
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| [04:58:20] | k-man_: | Anduin, yeah, it does |
| [04:58:26] | k-man_: | Anduin, i think i figured out the problem |
| [04:58:40] | k-man_: | i hvae to set not only the ip of the database, but also the backend... is that correct? |
| [04:59:41] | Anduin: | k-man_: The frontend reads the backend IP from the DB |
| [04:59:53] | k-man_: | oh... does it? |
| [04:59:56] | k-man_: | hmm... |
| [05:00:09] | Anduin: | k-man_: If this is your first remote frontend, you probably have it set to something silly like 127.0.0.1 |
| [05:00:23] | k-man_: | maybe my backend's ip is set to localhost as until now i have just had a combined frontend/backend machine |
| [05:00:27] | k-man_: | yeah |
| [05:00:30] | k-man_: | i think that must be it |
| [05:00:41] | Anduin: | mythtv-setup and fix it |
| [05:00:45] | k-man_: | ok |
| [05:00:46] | k-man_: | thanks |
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| [05:02:10] | Mattwj2005: | hey guys how is it going? |
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| [05:02:59] | k-man_: | which port does it run on? |
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| [05:03:28] | asd26: | dudes |
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| [05:03:39] | asd26: | i need to fix tv_grab_au |
| [05:03:52] | asd26: | it's only geting the names of the shows but no information |
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| [05:05:50] | C12C: | Hey people. Is anyone running a mythfrontend on a epia m board? |
| [05:06:16] | Anduin: | k-man_: 6543 |
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| [05:06:51] | k-man_: | whats the difference between a backend server and a master server? |
| [05:07:14] | Anduin: | k-man_: There can be slave backends. |
| [05:07:15] | C12C: | The master server is a backend server. |
| [05:08:30] | k-man_: | ok |
| [05:08:30] | k-man_: | thanks |
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| [05:08:36] | C12C: | It's a backend server that controls other backend servers. Are you running multiple mythbackend servers? |
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| [05:10:11] | k-man_: | no |
| [05:10:17] | k-man_: | just the one backend server |
| [05:10:23] | C12C: | then no need to worry about it. |
| [05:11:42] | k-man_: | ah |
| [05:11:43] | k-man_: | its working |
| [05:11:44] | k-man_: | thanks |
| [05:12:20] | C12C: | np, not sure I was much help but eh. |
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| [05:17:26] | sw_bluntman: | can someone point me to a good tutorial on making dvd images out of shows that I can burn on a Windows box? Don't have a burner in my backend. |
| [05:19:18] | sw_bluntman: | Having a hard time getting Google to understand what I want :) |
| [05:19:24] | C12C: | sw_bluntman: Try GUI for dvdauthor. That's what I use to assemble my dvds on my Windows box. |
| [05:19:42] | C12C: | sw_bluntman: I've only got a burned on my desktop as well. |
| [05:20:48] | sw_bluntman: | C12C: Will check it out. Thanks |
| [05:20:50] | C12C: | http://www.videohelp.com/tools?tool=GUI_for_dvdauthor |
| [05:20:55] | C12C: | There you go. |
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| [05:54:17] | Dagmar: | whew |
| [05:54:32] | nero: | are we still alive??? |
| [05:56:53] | libolt: | damnit, missed some |
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| [06:57:08] | Dagmar: | Oh noes! |
| [06:59:06] | C12C: | ? |
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| [07:01:11] | Dagmar: | Damn just like lilo to say he's going to do something and then not do it |
| [07:01:25] | Dagmar: | Okay, well, in this case he said he was shutting down Freenode. |
| [07:01:29] | C12C: | such as? |
| [07:01:37] | C12C: | nevermind |
| [07:01:46] | Dagmar: | --lilo(i=levin@freenode/staff/pdpc.levin)- [Global Notice] Hi all. We're continuing to experience problems and we'll probably be shutting down in just a moment |
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| [07:20:15] | C12C: | later people |
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| [09:06:13] | ru: | can someone tell me how to get rid of these horrible verticle lines when i watch tv through monitor |
| [09:06:25] | ru: | I have enabled de-interlace playback but it hasnt really helped that much |
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| [09:20:15] | ru: | myth.org is down |
| [09:23:46] | opello: | isn't myth.org something unrelated? |
| [09:24:00] | opello: | shows a note and some ad here |
| [09:24:35] | Juski: | www.mythtv.org seems to be unavailable |
| [09:24:39] | opello: | yeah |
| [09:25:09] | Juski: | it's never down for long, don't worry |
| [09:25:43] | k-man_: | is there a mythtv theme that is good for lower end pcs? |
| [09:26:13] | Juski: | ??? |
| [09:26:40] | Juski: | I've tried lots of themes on low end PCs... hell even Project Grayhem is good on a 700Mhz CPU |
| [09:28:27] | Dagmar: | The various themes don't require much in the way of computational power |
| [09:28:36] | Dagmar: | From what I can tell, it doesn't actually draw them "on the fly" |
| [09:28:44] | k-man_: | oh |
| [09:28:52] | k-man_: | well, for some reason the epg is really slow to come up |
| [09:28:58] | Dagmar: | ...or it's doing something very evil and sneaky when it first starts up and claims to be doing something with the screens |
| [09:29:01] | k-man_: | and the pc virtually hangs while its drawring it |
| [09:29:01] | Juski: | that's not the theme's fault |
| [09:29:16] | k-man_: | oh |
| [09:29:19] | k-man_: | what is it then? |
| [09:29:20] | Dagmar: | The EPG is going to be kind of slow... slower if your mysqld is overloaded |
| [09:29:32] | k-man_: | oh... wait |
| [09:29:33] | Dagmar: | There's some settings you can set to reduce the amount of trouble it goes to draw |
| [09:29:51] | Juski: | my frontend takes AGES to bring up the EPG |
| [09:29:52] | k-man_: | its that i'm missing a whole lot of the icons for the theme |
| [09:29:58] | Juski: | but then I have over 150 channels |
| [09:30:06] | Dagmar: | What? Channel icons? |
| [09:30:14] | Dagmar: | they shouldn't really introduce much of a delay |
| [09:30:29] | Juski: | they might do |
| [09:30:51] | Dagmar: | Well, they can be turned off IIRC |
| [09:31:00] | Juski: | actually in minimyth I never see channel icons and I've never worked out why |
| [09:31:01] | Dagmar: | I've not bothered to populate mine |
| [09:31:12] | Dagmar: | I *really* don't like the way they look currently anyway |
| [09:31:18] | Dagmar: | GIF images piss me off on general principle |
| [09:31:24] | k-man_: | its not finding the icons, and thats causing the delay |
| [09:31:29] | k-man_: | as it tries to pen each one 12 times |
| [09:31:36] | Dagmar: | To go all this way to get 32-bit truecolor images just to fall back to a compressed palette. |
| [09:31:53] | Dagmar: | Loverly IOS upgrade in progress hee. |
| [09:32:03] | Juski: | they don't _have_ to be gif you know ;-) |
| [09:32:24] | Dagmar: | Juski: I really was wondering about that. |
| [09:32:25] | k-man_: | how do i turn off the channel icons? |
| [09:32:38] | Dagmar: | What we need is a community project to redraw all the bedamned things to look nicer |
| [09:32:51] | Dagmar: | ...and a large FLEET of lawyers to deal with the lawsuits, of course. |
| [09:33:16] | Dagmar: | You'd think the networks would be happy about such a thing, but lawyers have their own rules. |
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| [09:33:28] | Juski: | k_man: utilities/setup > setup > TV > programme guide |
| [09:33:43] | Dagmar: | Heh. Someone has the en_GB locale enabled |
| [09:33:56] | Juski: | "display the channel icon" |
| [09:34:29] | k-man_: | really weird |
| [09:34:36] | Dagmar: | If someone would do the translations into Klingon we could have some real fun with the neighboard |
| [09:34:41] | Dagmar: | s/neighboard/neighbors/ |
| [09:34:53] | k-man_: | when i open the epg on the front end, i get all these errors on the backend about not being able to find the icons (even though i turned them off on hte front end) |
| [09:35:18] | Juski: | k-man_: don't worry about that too much |
| [09:35:25] | Dagmar: | Maybe this is one of those things that the frontend only polls about when it's starting up? |
| [09:35:33] | k-man_: | Juski, but thats definately whats slowing down the epg |
| [09:35:35] | k-man_: | i can see it |
| [09:36:02] | Dagmar: | I *think* I've got a line on something to make MySQL log all queries. I should maybe turn that on for awhile and see what's going on when. |
| [09:36:44] | Juski: | well, it's breakfast time for me... laters ... |
| [09:36:58] | ru: | I am getting errors with cddecoder.o when i am trying to compile mythmusic |
| [09:37:01] | ru: | what could be causing that? |
| [09:37:09] | ru: | make: *** [cddecoder.o] Error 1 |
| [09:37:27] | k-man_: | ah, i just copied the icons to where it was looking and htat solved the problem |
| [09:37:32] | k-man_: | a bit of a hack but there you go |
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| [09:39:48] | der_oschni: | good morning |
| [09:42:42] | k-man_: | is there some tool for checking for files that are in the database but no longer on the hdd? |
| [09:42:48] | k-man_: | and enable them to be deleted? |
| [09:43:31] | Dagmar: | ru: You need to pastebin a bit more than what's at the end of the output, but it's rather likely that you just don't have cdparanoia installed or installed correctly. |
| [09:44:47] | ru: | yeah im busy doing that :) |
| [09:44:57] | ru: | its so slow these days |
| [09:45:09] | ru: | takes ages to post its paste script |
| [09:46:25] | ru: | http://pastebin.com/729877 |
| [09:46:51] | Dagmar: | Some knuckleheads are probably DoSing the thing again |
| [09:48:29] | ru: | seems like it just cant find certain files? |
| [09:49:10] | Dagmar: | If I can ever get the bloody page to come up I might be able to tell you |
| [09:49:16] | ru: | hehe |
| [09:49:42] | Dagmar: | Can you try pastebin.ca? It seems to be unaffected by whatever's plaguing pastebin.com |
| [09:49:56] | ru: | kk |
| [09:51:12] | ru: | http://pastebin.ca/71137 |
| [09:51:55] | Dagmar: | OKay. THat's odd. This is mythplugins-0.19? |
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| [09:52:34] | ru: | yeah |
| [09:53:01] | Dagmar: | Did you install MythTV already? |
| [09:53:25] | ru: | ye |
| [09:53:32] | ru: | mythmusic was giving me crap so I removed it |
| [09:53:37] | ru: | now im trying to reinstall it |
| [09:53:40] | Dagmar: | Make sure you've got stuff in /usr/include/mythtv/ |
| [09:53:42] | ru: | previously i installed it via apt-get |
| [09:53:50] | ru: | but now i cant do that anymore |
| [09:54:00] | Dagmar: | LIne 7 in your pastebin is kind of telling me that maybe it's not installed completely |
| [09:54:07] | ru: | ls: /usr/include/mythtv/: No such file or directory |
| [09:54:32] | Dagmar: | Did the apt-get have mythv divided into two parts perhaps? One runtime and one named "-devel"? |
| [09:55:00] | ru: | yeah it could have |
| [09:55:03] | Dagmar: | Whatever prefix you have mythtv installed in (/usr or /usr/local) shoudl have entailed the ./include/mythtv directory being populated with some header files |
| [09:55:14] | Dagmar: | Ah you need the mythtv-devel package then |
| [09:55:27] | ru: | looks like it put it in /usr/share/mythtv/ |
| [09:55:35] | Dagmar: | No, those are other files |
| [09:55:38] | ru: | oh |
| [09:55:40] | ru: | sos |
| [09:55:52] | Dagmar: | Specifically you should have a /usr/include/mythtv/mythobservable.h file and others like it |
| [09:56:14] | Dagmar: | The /usr/share/mythtv directory is for runtime data files |
| [09:56:21] | ru: | aah |
| [09:56:23] | Dagmar: | Dialogs and icons and so forth |
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| [09:59:08] | ru: | the only place i can find myth stuff is "/home/ru/.mythtv/" & "/usr/share/mythtv/" |
| [10:00:30] | Dagmar: | ru: You need those header files |
| [10:00:53] | Dagmar: | Get your apt-get repository for a mythtv-devel package |
| [10:01:04] | Dagmar: | Otherwise, you get to compile it |
| [10:01:11] | Dagmar: | ...or do without that plugin |
| [10:01:34] | ru: | kk |
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| [10:12:00] | ru: | i found a repo that will let me install 0.19 |
| [10:12:02] | ru: | mythmusic: Depends: libcdaudio0 but it is not installable |
| [10:12:11] | ru: | why would I be getting that? |
| [10:12:44] | Dagmar: | Because without it you can't really use the CDROM drive |
| [10:13:01] | Dagmar: | Look, I *strongly* recommend pulling from only *one* repository |
| [10:13:08] | ru: | hmm |
| [10:13:20] | Dagmar: | If you pull from a bunch of different ones, god only knows what kind of cockeyed things are likely to happen |
| [10:13:39] | ru: | yeah but why isnt libcdaudio0 installable? |
| [10:13:48] | ru: | So what should I do, remove my myth and reinstall it using the new repo? |
| [10:14:53] | Dagmar: | If it's got all the peices, sure. |
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| [10:19:07] | ru: | if I reinstall myth and there are 4 different versions available in the apt repo how do u pick which one u want installed? |
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| [10:19:33] | Dagmar: | Maybe email the repo maintainer |
| [10:19:54] | Dagmar: | You're hitting on the exact reason I don't trust random repositories in the first place. |
| [10:20:02] | ru: | its from different places though? |
| [10:20:33] | ru: | the standard repos have myth 0.18 |
| [10:20:38] | ru: | and the one that i added has 0.19 |
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| [10:20:49] | Dagmar: | ...but apparently not *all* of 0.19 |
| [10:21:38] | ru: | well no they offer only 0.18 |
| [10:21:42] | ru: | I was getting 0.19 from another place |
| [10:21:57] | ru: | then that place stopped their repo |
| [10:22:07] | ru: | so I was trapped heeh |
| [10:22:37] | ru: | sweet its using 0.19–5 |
| [10:22:38] | ru: | :D |
| [10:22:43] | Dagmar: | Well, I build my own packages, thankfully so I don't have to deal with that. |
| [10:23:16] | ru: | hehe |
| [10:23:36] | ru: | lol i love the way that i am still watching tv on my myth box thru all of this haha |
| [10:23:52] | Dagmar: | Well, it's a Linux box |
| [10:23:59] | Dagmar: | It multitasks better than WinXP is ever likely to |
| [10:24:34] | ru: | heh |
| [10:28:03] | ru: | damn im still getting |
| [10:28:05] | ru: | mythmusic: Depends: libcdaudio0 but it is not installable |
| [10:28:17] | ru: | how can i bend libcdaudio0 into shape? |
| [10:28:30] | Dagmar: | You don't want me to answer that. |
| [10:28:38] | ru: | hehe |
| [10:28:48] | ru: | well i want mythmusic back |
| [10:28:52] | ru: | ill do whatever it takes |
| [10:29:00] | Dagmar: | Then learn how to make your own repos and build these packages yourself. |
| [10:29:03] | Dagmar: | It's actually not that hard |
| [10:29:11] | Dagmar: | libcdaudio is a cakewalk to build |
| [10:29:36] | Dagmar: | If you were super-good with scripting I'd say just pillage my archive of packages for clues, but they're Slackware packages |
| [10:30:01] | Dagmar: | I've got the number of missing pieces down to less than a handful of fingers |
| [10:30:05] | ru: | what do i just get the dev packages and compile them? |
| [10:30:19] | Dagmar: | No, you'd get the source and compile them. |
| [10:30:22] | ru: | or the source |
| [10:30:24] | ru: | ye |
| [10:30:29] | Dagmar: | Ideally you'd write the .deb file and invoke that to make the binary packages |
| [10:30:32] | ru: | what are the dev packages? |
| [10:30:58] | Dagmar: | -devel packages are when the packager hates his end users and thinks they'll never actually try to build anything that links to the binary package they're releasing |
| [10:31:12] | Dagmar: | Think of them as the part you chop off when you neuter something. |
| [10:31:21] | ru: | o |
| [10:31:37] | ru: | so its a watered down version of the source? |
| [10:31:56] | Dagmar: | -devel packages typically contain anything not needed at runtime except documentation, like static libraries (libfoo.a) and header files |
| [10:32:35] | Dagmar: | It's not source, it's stuff that's been trimmed off of the binary package because it's not needed to make the binary package run |
| [10:32:52] | Dagmar: | Doing any _developmental_ work pertaining to that package however, is doomed without the -devel parts |
| [10:32:53] | ru: | o |
| [10:33:14] | ru: | howcome i cant install libcdaudio0 it will only let me install libcdaudio1 |
| [10:33:36] | Dagmar: | If you're going to chase development on MythTV I suspect it would be worth your time to figure out how .deb files work and how to make your own binary packages |
| [10:33:50] | Dagmar: | I've no idea what the difference is supposed to be between them |
| [10:33:55] | Dagmar: | There might be no difference at all |
| [10:34:07] | Dagmar: | The latest released version of it is libcdaudio-0.99.12p2 |
| [10:34:32] | ru: | hmm |
| [10:34:33] | Dagmar: | ...which makes me consider libcdaudio1 kind of suspect |
| [10:35:00] | Dagmar: | From what I know of Debian package naming standards, libcdaudio1 shouldn't be able to exist yet |
| [10:35:54] | ru: | http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1115448&postcount=44 |
| [10:35:58] | ru: | seems its a common problem on dapper |
| [10:36:49] | Dagmar: | Unofficially I'd say the answer involves combining a blunt object and the developer responsible for declaring libcdaudio1 a dependency in a manner that would ensure a PG-13 rating |
| [10:37:22] | ru: | hah |
| [10:37:37] | ru: | im just gonna rip libcdaudio0 from somewhere :/ |
| [10:37:40] | Dagmar: | All things considered, just force it |
| [10:37:57] | Dagmar: | Install whatever the latest is for libcdaudio and it's -devel packages (if any) and run with it |
| [10:38:04] | Dagmar: | It should be the version I cited above |
| [10:38:11] | Dagmar: | ...which is what *really* matters |
| [10:38:24] | ru: | if i compile it from source apt will be happy right? |
| [10:39:44] | Dagmar: | I don't know that the tool will be happy, but compiling things that link to it should work fine |
| [10:40:03] | Dagmar: | It takes less than a minute to compile libcdaudio on my machine |
| [10:40:23] | gardengnome: | well, if you compile libcdaudio from source, apt-get (or the dpkg database) still don't know it's there. |
| [10:40:48] | ru: | damnit |
| [10:40:51] | gardengnome: | ru: what repo are you using? |
| [10:40:56] | ru: | a whole lot |
| [10:40:57] | Dagmar: | gardengnome: You wouldn't happen to know why someone in ubuntu apparently decided to name it libcdaudio1 would you? |
| [10:41:05] | gardengnome: | Dagmar: no |
| [10:41:18] | Dagmar: | ru: There's *bound* to be a --force option to tell it to ignore the missing dependency |
| [10:41:26] | ru: | I was looking now |
| [10:41:42] | gardengnome: | --force sucks. |
| [10:41:56] | Dagmar: | Yeah, but naming schisms suck worse |
| [10:42:14] | gardengnome: | wait a second. |
| [10:42:17] | ** Juski reckons Ubuntu will end up being an also-ran before long ** | |
| [10:42:20] | ru: | -f doesnt work |
| [10:42:30] | ru: | "also-ran" ? |
| [10:42:30] | Dagmar: | At the rate they're going, it'll take a lot more cleavage to change that |
| [10:43:13] | Juski: | "it was a great distro once" |
| [10:43:33] | gardengnome: | umm, ok, i thought i had seen libcdaudio1 for dapper, which is not true ;) |
| [10:44:00] | ru: | grr |
| [10:44:03] | gardengnome: | Juski: err. if package maintainers create shitty third-party repositories, how exactly is ubuntu responsible for that? |
| [10:44:08] | ru: | where can i find a repo with libcdaudio0 in it? |
| [10:44:27] | ru: | Yeah, I am using untrusted repos here *grin* |
| [10:44:33] | ru: | living on the edge |
| [10:44:37] | gardengnome: | ru: there's another repo for dapper: ''deb |
| [10:44:38] | gardengnome: | http://hamsta.net/mythtv/files/dapper ./'' |
| [10:44:40] | gardengnome: | oops. :/ |
| [10:44:49] | gardengnome: | ru: maybe those mythtv packages will work better for ya. |
| [10:45:07] | gardengnome: | or, build them yourself. |
| [10:46:08] | ru: | but that doesnt solve the problem – myth's still going to want libcdaudio0 |
| [10:46:18] | ru: | i just need to find somewhere that i can get it from |
| [10:46:58] | Dagmar: | *force it* |
| [10:47:07] | ru: | i tried |
| [10:47:15] | Dagmar: | There is no try. |
| [10:47:17] | Dagmar: | There is only do. |
| [10:47:19] | ru: | hehe |
| [10:47:28] | ru: | apt-get -f install mythmusic |
| [10:47:30] | ru: | still fails |
| [10:47:37] | Dagmar: | bethcha anything the people in #ubuntu would know how |
| [10:47:37] | ru: | -f Attempt to continue if the integrity check fails |
| [10:47:47] | ru: | well i checked on the forums |
| [10:47:52] | ru: | and no one posted any work arounds |
| [10:48:01] | Dagmar: | No, no... They came up with these cockeyed modifications. |
| [10:48:08] | Dagmar: | They should be ready to support them. |
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| [10:49:03] | Dagmar: | Lord knows we get people asking us all kinda unrelated things in #Dropline. #Ubuntu shoudn't be exempt from being asked to solve problems, especially when they're definitely ubuntu-specific problems. |
| [10:50:00] | Dagmar: | Questions like: Why are you not shipping a static freetype library. It's keeping me from building Blender! |
| [10:50:24] | gardengnome: | ru: you think the hamsta.net repo will not fix your problem because mythmusic will still want libaudiocd0? |
| [10:50:55] | gardengnome: | s/want/wants/ |
| [10:51:47] | ru: | yeah |
| [10:51:49] | ru: | i fixed it |
| [10:51:53] | ru: | i went and got a breezy repo |
| [10:51:58] | ru: | installed libcdaudio0 |
| [10:52:07] | ru: | now lets see if mythmusic will install |
| [10:52:12] | ** ru switches repo's ** | |
| [10:52:56] | ru: | "dont try this at home kids" |
| [10:53:29] | ru: | yay it worked |
| [10:53:39] | ru: | how annoying though man |
| [10:57:31] | Juski: | yup |
| [10:59:56] | Juski: | linux has to be annoying. if it wasn't, you'd miss it & go back to windows :-P |
| [11:00:04] | ru: | whats windows? |
| [11:00:16] | ru: | it seems to ring a faint bell |
| [11:00:22] | ru: | :/ |
| [11:00:42] | Juski: | never mind bells, it rings a lot of tills ;-) |
| [11:00:45] | Dagmar: | No. |
| [11:00:54] | ru: | i wish the video manager in myth was leeter |
| [11:00:56] | Dagmar: | If Linux did not exist, it would be necessary to invent it |
| [11:01:02] | ru: | yup |
| [11:01:06] | ru: | its darwinism |
| [11:01:14] | gardengnome: | Dagmar: what about BSD? |
| [11:01:18] | ru: | it just doesnt handle my media collection |
| [11:01:22] | Juski: | I'm going off computers full stop |
| [11:01:27] | ru: | takes it about 4 minutes to load my media list |
| [11:01:30] | Dagmar: | Well get in there and start writing patches |
| [11:01:38] | Juski: | ru: so download less videos!!!!! |
| [11:01:42] | ru: | lol |
| [11:01:59] | Juski: | I hit a nail on the head there methinks |
| [11:02:00] | ru: | granted my media collection is aroun 10TB but still |
| [11:02:20] | Juski: | nothing.. hear me.. NOTHING is worth keeping for long |
| [11:02:24] | Juski: | :-D |
| [11:02:26] | ru: | i know |
| [11:02:35] | ru: | its not my box |
| [11:02:36] | Dagmar: | But... but... what about porn |
| [11:02:39] | ru: | I just connect to it over wireless |
| [11:02:46] | Dagmar: | It's not like people are uploading more of it to the internet every day |
| [11:02:56] | ru: | u cant really watch a porno more than twice |
| [11:03:02] | ru: | its effectiveness dissipates |
| [11:03:04] | ru: | :p |
| [11:03:08] | Juski: | that's worth keeping even less... its effect is known to wear off, so they say |
| [11:03:10] | Dagmar: | It loses the element of suprise |
| [11:03:15] | ru: | haah ya |
| [11:03:17] | Dagmar: | I mean, when you know how it ends, what's the point? |
| [11:03:30] | gardengnome: | i always hope they're getting married :/ |
| [11:03:39] | Dagmar: | Hopeless romantic. |
| [11:03:40] | ru: | yeah – its all about the money shot |
| [11:03:43] | Juski: | lol you old romantic |
| [11:03:57] | ru: | i always hope for plot twists |
| [11:04:01] | ru: | but they never come. |
| [11:04:06] | Dagmar: | You're on the wrong forums. |
| [11:04:10] | gardengnome: | would be nice. the bride still covered in goo... 'yes!' |
| [11:04:13] | Juski: | as a straight male I always found it a little unsettling to see the blokes in those kind of movies |
| [11:04:20] | ru: | actually once i did have a plot twist – but i wont get into that now |
| [11:04:31] | gardengnome: | Juski: you need to watch midget porn then. |
| [11:04:35] | gardengnome: | s/midget/lesbian/ |
| [11:04:39] | Juski: | like hello.. I don't wanna see dick! |
| [11:04:51] | Juski: | anyway.. it's all overrated |
| [11:05:03] | ** ru steps outta the conversation ** | |
| [11:05:05] | Dagmar: | Trying desperately to drag this back out of the gutter... You may have noticed something in the news lately about the japanese being concerned about the low population growth they're having. |
| [11:05:16] | ** ru slowly creeps towards the exit ** | |
| [11:05:17] | Dagmar: | Everyone watching the internet knows why that is. |
| [11:05:19] | Juski: | Dagmar: no, but I blame Zentai |
| [11:05:35] | Juski: | you saying they're a wunch of bankers? |
| [11:05:39] | Dagmar: | No matter what catholic school nuns may say, that will NOT produce children. |
| [11:06:04] | Dagmar: | Okay. now I've intersected CNN into this. |
| [11:06:15] | ** Juski wonders if there's ever been a bukkake pregnancy... ** | |
| [11:06:31] | Dagmar: | Who else is using their myth box to catch snippets on CNN the first time they air them, before the censor/change them? |
| [11:06:42] | Juski: | we don't have CNN here |
| [11:06:58] | Juski: | or if I do it's on a channel so high I'd never bother to find |
| [11:07:23] | Dagmar: | I find that it's one of the best places of getting good video of political officials lying off their asses |
| [11:08:02] | Dagmar: | I'm not letting another State of the Union address go by unchallenged, for one thing |
| [11:08:32] | Dagmar: | I figure with lots of storage and three tuners, keeping one trained on CNN will be cake. |
| [11:08:40] | Dagmar: | Anything I wanna keep I can just extract from the rolling recording |
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| [12:20:29] | stuarta: | afternoon all |
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| [12:31:13] | Juski: | afternoon stuarta. how was laydeeees day? |
| [12:37:57] | stuarta: | nice, good scenery, hot weather, crap racing. |
| [12:39:17] | stuarta: | saw Massive Attack friday evening. could have been better. |
| [12:40:33] | Juski: | good scenery – yeah I'll bet there was |
| [12:41:14] | Juski: | alton towers was amazing on friday. I think I left something on the Nemesis ride |
| [12:41:25] | stuarta: | had the hard job of feeding Champagne to a bus of ladies, mostly about 23. |
| [12:41:56] | Juski: | oh lordy |
| [12:42:15] | stuarta: | perks of the job :) not that it's a job |
| [12:42:56] | Juski: | I hope they weren't all stuck-up types, but at the same time I hope they weren't council slappers either ;-) |
| [12:43:14] | Juski: | though if alcohol is involved would there be any difference? |
| [12:43:22] | stuarta: | the term 'fresh off the boat' could be applied to many of them.... |
| [12:43:50] | Juski: | heh |
| [12:44:04] | Juski: | some nice scenery in manchester last night.. made me wish I'd gone out |
| [12:44:22] | stuarta: | just because it was a nice summers night? |
| [12:44:48] | Juski: | yep. I can put up with rude people & shite musak if there's a good atmosphere :-) |
| [12:45:38] | stuarta: | would have been a good evening to spend in the local beer garden. |
| [12:46:03] | Juski: | you've obviously not seen the nearest pub to my house then ;-) |
| [12:46:30] | Juski: | I went there once. It was like something out of a spaghetti western. |
| [12:46:36] | stuarta: | nope. is it a 'local pub for local people'? |
| [12:47:13] | stuarta: | I've 3 nice locals, all with good beer gardens, beer and music. |
| [12:47:14] | Juski: | pretty much. I was pretty much out of place there seen as I have hair & don't ever wear a tracksuit |
| [12:47:25] | ** stuarta shudders ** | |
| [12:48:39] | Juski: | it's too close to Failsworth here. Failsworth is a very violent place at weekends. Someone was killed for refusing to give somebody a light a few months ago |
| [12:49:07] | Juski: | anyway.. time for cake apparently.... |
| [12:49:35] | stuarta: | mmm cake... who's birthday? |
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| [13:07:36] | Pete__: | Hi, problems scanning with 0.19, no tables error. I've been aware of this, my solution is to scan with 0.18. Now that seems to not be working, it adds channels with names such as 30#1, 30#2, 30#3 etc. I produced a channels.conf file fine, imported it into mythtv but all the channel numbers are wrong. How can I import a channels.conf file but with the correct channel numbers? |
| [13:08:28] | stuarta: | Pete__: rescanning a number of times with 0.19 should produce the desired results. Also increase the timeouts on the dvb card |
| [13:09:06] | Pete__: | so Ill import the channels.conf, then keep doing full scans? or Scans of existing transports? |
| [13:09:44] | Pete__: | or just do a few full scans over? |
| [13:09:57] | stuarta: | if you already have transports, then rescanning them will work. |
| [13:10:15] | Pete__: | Ill go for a full scan then existing transports till I get all the names |
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| [13:10:23] | stuarta: | definitely worth upping the card timeouts first |
| [13:10:42] | Pete__: | what would you suggest upping it to? |
| [13:11:10] | Pete__: | ill do the first scan at defaults, as that will take too long if I increase the timeouts by much |
| [13:11:23] | stuarta: | the defaults are 500ms/1250ms try 1000ms/ 1750ms |
| [13:11:48] | stuarta: | actually it takes longer since it doesn't wait long enough to get the tables... |
| [13:12:01] | stuarta: | if that makes sense.... |
| [13:12:22] | Pete__: | ah, yes I think I follow |
| [13:12:27] | Pete__: | where do I change the timeouts? |
| [13:12:44] | stuarta: | under the card configuration in mythtv-setup |
| [13:13:05] | stuarta: | less haste more speed as grandma used to say... |
| [13:13:07] | Pete__: | my tuning timeout is already at 3000 |
| [13:13:18] | Pete__: | ill up the signal timeout |
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| [13:16:24] | Losgann: | Hi, anyone know how I can get the dvb eit to stop adding incorrect programs to the database that have a starttime in 2038? |
| [13:17:48] | stuarta: | Losgann: you would have know which channel is broadcasting bad data and not collect eit on it. I see the same thing but it has no adverse affect, although slightly annoying. |
| [13:19:28] | Losgann: | It doesn't happen on any particular channel. For me, the problem is that it seems to slow mythweb down considerably. |
| [13:20:16] | stuarta: | If i work it out i'll let you know, but it's not high on my todo list. |
| [13:20:50] | Pete__: | ok, thats the first full scan complete. So ill scan now using existing transports, will I check the 'ignore signal timeout' box? |
| [13:21:08] | stuarta: | every now and again I do "delete from programs where starttime>='date';", where data is today plus about 3–4 weeks... |
| [13:21:24] | stuarta: | Pete__: good idea. |
| [13:21:29] | Pete__: | it only added one stream on the first scan |
| [13:21:51] | stuarta: | one channel or one transport? |
| [13:22:10] | Losgann: | I have been doing that too. I might try looking at mythweb instead. |
| [13:22:25] | Pete__: | transport, I think, there were a few channels listed in the output which it added, the rest were 'no tables' |
| [13:22:41] | stuarta: | Losgann: keep in mind that one of the SoC projects is doing mythweb speedups... |
| [13:23:23] | stuarta: | Pete__: that's expected. keep rescanning transports. eventually it'll find them all |
| [13:23:29] | Pete__: | I did a scan specifying a fequency, seems to be adding more transports |
| [13:23:35] | Pete__: | keep rescanning where? |
| [13:23:40] | Pete__: | oh now I have some bbc channels |
| [13:24:06] | stuarta: | just scan existing transports |
| [13:24:13] | Pete__: | ok |
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| [13:25:31] | Juski: | re |
| [13:25:37] | Juski: | mmm cake (wife's birthday) |
| [13:25:55] | ** stuarta sings happy birthday ** | |
| [13:26:25] | Juski: | she's seeing off her sister & her mate.. and I'm glad to see the back of them.. messy puppies |
| [13:28:55] | Pete__: | is there no way I can just import the channels.conf file but with correct channel numbers? |
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| [13:29:38] | Pete__: | ah there, got some more channels |
| [13:29:46] | Pete__: | maybe it'll get them all eventually.. |
| [13:30:05] | Juski: | Pete__: try increasing the timeout value – that helps some people |
| [13:30:14] | Pete__: | I did, 8000/100000 |
| [13:30:17] | stuarta: | it will get them eventually. if you import then you have to do the channel numbers yourself... |
| [13:30:28] | Pete__: | ah, thats annoying |
| [13:30:37] | Juski: | tv_grab_dvb might still work |
| [13:30:53] | Juski: | or whatever it was... |
| [13:30:53] | stuarta: | anything above 2–3000 for both isn't really going to help. |
| [13:31:59] | Pete__: | what happened between 0.18 and 0.19 that broke the table parser? |
| [13:32:15] | Juski: | don't even go there |
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| [13:32:57] | stuarta: | erm.... needed a serious rewrite, which is nearly finished in head |
| [13:33:27] | Pete__: | seems some transports keep finding the data, so I get it not updating the db for them, other transports are getting no tables on and on |
| [13:33:36] | saschav: | Hello i have any problems with DVB-S and MythTV. |
| [13:33:36] | Pete__: | I guess all I can do is keep scanning then |
| [13:33:48] | stuarta: | try just scanning the single transports that don't have channels yet. |
| [13:33:56] | Pete__: | ok |
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| [13:35:03] | saschav: | After Installation and Scanning of channels i become during try to watch LiveTV a black screen. After a Few sec. the Menu is displayed. Channel Change will not work in this time. |
| [13:35:31] | stuarta: | saschav: set the starting channel to a valid channel number |
| [13:36:03] | Pete__: | annoying I can't just scan with 0.18 anymore though, that made it easy |
| [13:37:53] | saschav: | i have set into Setup a Channel without Crypto and a active channel. |
| [13:38:45] | saschav: | In the Log of the Backendserver following i see: "DummyDTVRecorder::StartTecording — open failed" |
| [13:40:01] | Juski: | Pete__: 0.20 will be muchos better ;-) |
| [13:40:25] | Juski: | if my memory serves me well, 0.17 wasn't good for dvb stuff either |
| [13:40:29] | Pete__: | I've tried to build it out of interest of the opengl interface, but didn't get too far |
| [13:40:50] | Juski: | lol. I did that, then failed to swoon when I saw the fades |
| [13:40:50] | Pete__: | scnaning with 0.18 worked fine, then I decided to scan again and it sucks |
| [13:41:50] | Pete__: | maybe if I repeatedly scan with 0.18 |
| [13:42:04] | Juski: | I upgraded to 0.19 from 0.18 & didn't have any problems |
| [13:42:14] | Pete__: | yeh, upgrading is ok |
| [13:42:32] | Pete__: | its just there are new channels and some have changed names, so I want the new data |
| [13:42:49] | Juski: | scanning in 0.19-fixes was a waste of time so I just exported the channel & dtv_multiplex tables from my working system |
| [13:43:12] | Juski: | Pete__: it'd be easier mangling the DB yourself if you know which mux things are on |
| [13:44:29] | Juski: | though the 'interactive' streams are still numbered 30x on my production box – not something I've ever been overly concerned about.. as for ITV Play & CITV... anyone with a braincell can ignore them ;-) |
| [13:44:48] | Pete__: | more 4 + 1 > filmfour |
| [13:45:00] | stuarta: | they're number 30x on any STB too.... |
| [13:45:05] | Pete__: | yeh |
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| [13:45:18] | Pete__: | more 4 at all, I don't have that since my last scan |
| [13:46:04] | Pete__: | itv play is using the slot men and motors was on if I remember right |
| [13:46:32] | Pete__: | ah ha! |
| [13:46:49] | Pete__: | I scanned with 0.18 now on existing transports and its got ALL the channels first time |
| [13:47:24] | stuarta: | Pete__: if you've still got 0.18, scan for channels with that, install 0.19 and let it upgrade the db |
| [13:47:55] | Pete__: | yeh, problem is when I scan with 0.18 it was adding channels without the proper names, calling them things like 30#1, 30#2, 30#3 |
| [13:48:08] | Pete__: | thats what I used to be able to do, but now even 0.18 seemed broken |
| [13:48:19] | stuarta: | really. how odd.... |
| [13:48:36] | Pete__: | yes, I tried it over a period of a few days and its been doing the same thing each time |
| [13:48:50] | Pete__: | I checked out the 0.18 fixes branch too, that wasn't any better |
| [13:49:19] | Pete__: | seems to have worked now, time to get the backend up |
| [13:49:57] | Pete__: | finally, looks like it is working again. |
| [13:52:25] | saschav: | stuarta give it a short way to check/set a channel ? (Direct into DB ?) |
| [13:53:57] | roger55: | Is it possible to do live transcoding, as in the backend scales the mpeg-stream in half when watching livetv? I'd like that option in order to watch over a 11mbit wireless connection. |
| [13:56:07] | D-side: | not currently my friend. :) |
| [13:56:32] | stuarta: | roger55: could do in a post processing user job, but that's about it. |
| [13:56:35] | D-side: | theres a couple people working on such things, but i dont know that they've had their work rolled into the offical tree. |
| [13:56:50] | D-side: | because, lets face it, i know nothing about the dev process here. |
| [13:56:50] | roger55: | stuarta, that's not live then, right? |
| [13:57:12] | stuarta: | nope. post = after. |
| [13:57:17] | roger55: | ;) |
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| [13:57:52] | D-side: | could just set the bitrate very low on the livetv profile i guess. |
| [13:57:59] | roger55: | what could I use that's capable of doing this? |
| [13:58:39] | roger55: | D-side, it's dvb as in comes in as an mpegstream from the satellite, there are no livetv options to choose in my livetv options |
| [13:59:18] | D-side: | oh gotcha. sorry, i've got no dvb here at all. |
| [13:59:41] | D-side: | i dont know if the us even has dvb available |
| [14:00:14] | stuarta: | roger55: you would need to use something like ffmpeg with a bunch of funky parameters to re-encode the video |
| [14:00:34] | roger55: | If I only wanted one channel, could mplayer do this or is there some streaming solution out there similar to mythtv? |
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| [14:02:00] | Pete__: | what type of tv are you trying to watch over 11mbit wifi? I mean what quality is the source? |
| [14:02:20] | roger55: | Pete__, plain dvb mpeg2 |
| [14:02:45] | Pete__: | have you tried it? As far as I worked out it should be able to stream over a 2mbps connection |
| [14:02:53] | roger55: | and the bitrate is too high, it works for about 10 secs until the buffer runs out. |
| [14:02:58] | Pete__: | oh right |
| [14:03:25] | stuarta: | your only option is re-encoding the video to a lower bitrate. |
| [14:03:27] | Pete__: | I don't have that problem with 54mbit, obviously. Not too sure what your options are for live tv over that |
| [14:03:39] | Pete__: | or getting a higher speed wireless card/access point |
| [14:03:53] | roger55: | yeah, that'll be the more convenient solution :) |
| [14:04:00] | D-side: | that sounds likea problem i personally would just throw money at |
| [14:04:14] | Pete__: | the easy way |
| [14:04:23] | roger55: | it works fine with analogue sources as I can set the rates myself there. |
| [14:04:38] | stuarta: | generally re-encoding the video takes 4x the length of the video on current hardware... |
| [14:04:57] | Pete__: | well it depends what you are encoding it to |
| [14:05:08] | D-side: | but he's not |
| [14:05:11] | D-side: | thats the problem |
| [14:05:25] | D-side: | its being snagged over the air as mpegg2 |
| [14:05:27] | roger55: | stuarta, I'll check with mencoder, I think just lowering the bitrate won't take so long. maybe I just need to reduce the audio a bit |
| [14:05:43] | stuarta: | all you can do is try. |
| [14:05:55] | roger55: | :) |
| [14:06:53] | Pete__: | its a shame mythtv can't play the dvb-t audio channels |
| [14:07:10] | Pete__: | 0.18 kindly added them all for me, but it lacks the functionality to play them |
| [14:07:20] | stuarta: | Pete__: it's done already in head |
| [14:07:32] | Pete__: | oh, I really can't wait to see 0.20 :) |
| [14:08:07] | ** stuarta gets back to fixing things for 0.20 ** | |
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| [14:40:59] | onetwo: | really there's no need to wait to 0.20, current svn is excellent and stable on fedora fc4 with dvb-s, dvb-t and pvr150 |
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| [14:44:11] | Pete__: | I can't get it to compile |
| [14:44:27] | Pete__: | admitedly I didn't try all that hard, there was an error just into the build, and thats how far I got |
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| [14:45:27] | stuarta: | although you do need to follow the dev & commits lists if you do start using it. |
| [14:46:24] | Pete__: | ill stick with 0.19, I don't want anything any more unstable than that |
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| [14:59:09] | Juski: | eee I dunno. all the song & dance about Rooney & he doesn't even fscking sing the national anthem. muppet |
| [14:59:39] | ** Juski is excused from the livingroom while the (ahem) match is on – yay! ** | |
| [15:00:08] | ** stuarta is ignoring all games except when Australia play. ** | |
| [15:01:29] | Juski: | it'll all be over soon :-D |
| [15:01:52] | stuarta: | we play italy 2mro, so we'll see... |
| [15:02:25] | stuarta: | bandstacked LNB. wtf is that? looking it up.... |
| [15:10:56] | Juski: | sounds interesting |
| [15:12:02] | stuarta: | looks like the stack the utilized frequencies one above the other so that you can get all the sats without switching |
| [15:14:18] | Juski: | .. hmm now sounds lossy |
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| [15:30:04] | Juski: | rofl.. just heard about how the other half of my wife's birthday posse decided to go to the gay village last night... right in the middle of a tranny festival weekend. And erm.. one of the party had veins popping out of her head in apoplexy apparently. Just couldn't 'deal with it' by all accounts. hilarious |
| [15:30:54] | stuarta: | hehehe |
| [15:32:33] | Juski: | like _hello_ welcome to manchester |
| [15:33:26] | Zider: | well helleeeeu |
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| [15:34:59] | Juski: | I'm never bothered by anything like that. the women from my home town are what I call scary |
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| [16:15:05] | kayelem: | ping! Is there a scopeuk about or is this a bit early...? |
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| [16:16:10] | stuarta: | !seen scopeuk |
| [16:16:11] | MythLogBot: | scopeuk is here and has been idle for 2 hours 41 minutes 9 seconds |
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| [16:18:42] | kayelem: | stuarta, ah, i forgot we had a bot... :) |
| [16:19:15] | scopeuk: | kayelem im here |
| [16:19:32] | scopeuk: | !seen scopeuk |
| [16:19:32] | MythLogBot: | scopeuk is here and has been idle for 0 seconds |
| [16:19:55] | kayelem: | scopeuk; hiya – I just scored an msntv2 :) |
| [16:20:00] | scopeuk: | sweet |
| [16:20:07] | scopeuk: | how much that set you back if you dotn mind me asking? |
| [16:20:13] | Juski: | somebody scored? oh no don't mention the... |
| [16:20:33] | stuarta: | ecudor??? please??? |
| [16:20:37] | scopeuk: | no uk |
| [16:20:41] | stuarta: | ecuador?? |
| [16:20:41] | scopeuk: | any way back to what were on about |
| [16:20:49] | stuarta: | bugger.... |
| [16:20:52] | scopeuk: | 1 : 0 to englanf |
| [16:21:25] | Juski: | what? I said dont mention the... |
| [16:21:27] | Juski: | nm |
| [16:21:41] | Juski: | my 2nd s100 has been shipped.. w00000t |
| [16:21:50] | scopeuk: | nice |
| [16:21:59] | scopeuk: | msn tv 2 == poor mans s100 |
| [16:22:21] | Juski: | kayelem: how much is the shipping gonna cost you? |
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| [16:26:31] | kayelem: | Juski, about $30-$35 |
| [16:26:31] | Anduin: | Juski: The total including shipping was 30 (fancy L) |
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| [16:27:03] | kayelem: | So it comes to a total at current exchange rates of a mere thirty of our british quids. Which ain't bad. |
| [16:27:20] | Juski: | lol. a hell of a lot of that is the shipping price too I imagine |
| [16:27:22] | kayelem: | a s/h xbox would set me back about 60 quid in the UK |
| [16:27:44] | kayelem: | $20.50 for the msntv2 and $30 for shipping i can stand... |
| [16:27:47] | Juski: | and xboxen are fugly. and noisy |
| [16:28:40] | kayelem: | For anyone else in the UK after an msntv2 there's another one coming up; I've contacted the vendor and they'll ship by cheaper methods as well, if anyone else wants one. |
| [16:28:53] | roger55: | what are the specs of that msn box? |
| [16:29:20] | kayelem: | http://mirror.toc2rta.com/index.php/Main_Page |
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| [16:29:50] | roger55: | thanks |
| [16:30:11] | kayelem: | eBay item 280000841112 is the one I've contacted the vendor about. Should be same shipping as the one i just won, $30-$35 depending on weight after packing. |
| [16:30:45] | kayelem: | Several vendors only want to ship guaranteed 1–2 days delivery for mucho $$$ |
| [16:30:51] | ** Juski is tempted ** | |
| [16:31:03] | Juski: | must... resist... |
| [16:31:10] | kayelem: | Which is nuts, offering to ship worldwide then wanting 3x plus the value of the item for shipping. |
| [16:32:31] | Juski: | that's how a lot of ebayers make their money though |
| [16:32:37] | kayelem: | yeah. |
| [16:32:41] | Juski: | also how to avoid paypal charges |
| [16:33:26] | kayelem: | well, the one i got isn't from a trader, and she's happy to ship how i specify, and doesn't seem like the "ripping off" type. |
| [16:33:31] | kayelem: | Must've got lucky... |
| [16:33:55] | Juski: | saw some nice little plastic boxes on ebay yesterday – might make great IR receiver cases |
| [16:34:27] | kayelem: | Anyway, I'm not bidding on the one ^^ up there; thought I'd tip off about another vendor who seems not to want rip-off money for shipping to UK. |
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| [16:47:00] | jajaja-: | wahts the command to set tuner=50? |
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| [16:47:59] | Anduin: | jajaja-: modinfo ivtv (just a module option to ivtv) |
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| [16:52:39] | jajaja-: | hmm...isnt there some command you type? |
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| [16:53:36] | Anduin: | jajaja-: Yes, vi /etc/modprob.conf, add the module option, reload the driver, done. |
| [16:55:36] | jajaja-: | thats odd, there is no text in there |
| [16:57:13] | roger55: | jajaja-, he probably meant /etc/modprobe.conf |
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| [16:58:37] | Anduin: | jajaja-: A quick google says you probably want /etc/modprobe.d/ivtv.modprobe (and run update-modules when done) |
| [16:58:44] | kgbudz: | i just tried doing a yum install mythtv-suite |
| [16:59:03] | kgbudz: | and it updated like a 3k mythtv package |
| [16:59:10] | jajaja-: | thanks anduin |
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| [17:07:50] | Hoxzer: | YEp yep |
| [17:08:08] | Hoxzer: | Can I have some advice in using GDB? |
| [17:08:29] | Hoxzer: | I don't really know if the program did seg fault or not ... |
| [17:08:41] | Anduin: | Hoxzer: It tells you. |
| [17:09:15] | Hoxzer: | Anduin .... actually :/ it said something about segfault |
| [17:09:24] | Hoxzer: | but it went out of screen |
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| [17:10:05] | Hoxzer: | http://pastebin.de/8034 |
| [17:11:15] | Anduin: | Hoxzer: Yeah, that would be a segfault, looks like you may have no debug info in there as well, gdb is much more fun with debug info. |
| [17:11:44] | Hoxzer: | Yeah, I dont have everything pasted there |
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| [17:14:57] | Hoxzer: | http://pastebin.de/8035 a |
| [17:16:01] | Hoxzer: | is that alright? |
| [17:16:34] | Anduin: | Hoxzer: If you had debug info those "in ??" would be "in function name", without debug info it is harder to find the cause. |
| [17:17:09] | Hoxzer: | Anduin: Strange because I followed that guide on mythtv documentation |
| [17:18:22] | Anduin: | Hoxzer: You did the config with --compile-type=debug? |
| [17:18:39] | Hoxzer: | yeap |
| [17:19:00] | Hoxzer: | http://pastebin.de/8036 <- there is myth.log |
| [17:19:37] | Hoxzer: | I used ./configure --enable-dvb --prefix=/usr --compile-type=debug |
| [17:21:16] | Hoxzer: | Anduin: so does myth.log contain debug info? |
| [17:22:36] | Anduin: | Hoxzer: You can't really tell from the log (that just looks like -v all) |
| [17:22:44] | Brains: | Is there a good primer on mythtv/firewire issues anywhere? (I looked at the firewire page in the mythtv wiki which helped get me rolling but I'm having an invalid file issue when trying to play live tv....) |
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| [17:25:12] | Anduin: | Hoxzer: If you objdump -W the lib (and it doesn't fill screens) that would be an indication |
| [17:29:01] | Hoxzer: | :/ |
| [17:29:42] | Anduin: | Hoxzer: Is that a "it does fill screens" :/ or "it doesn't" :/? |
| [17:30:11] | Hoxzer: | I dont really know what do u want me to do |
| [17:31:25] | Juski: | heads up UK folks.. the 1st ever Spitting Image is on ITV4 tonight :-) |
| [17:31:26] | Anduin: | Hoxzer: objdump -W /usr/lib/libmythtv-0.19.so |
| [17:31:53] | kayelem: | Juski, ah, ta for that... /me shuffles off to schedule a recording... :-D |
| [17:34:16] | Hoxzer: | Anduin: well I had pretty much text |
| [17:34:42] | Hoxzer: | Anduin: so it does fill the screen |
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| [17:35:08] | Anduin: | Hoxzer: a? or many? |
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| [17:36:04] | Hoxzer: | Anduin: :( I don't understand what do you want to know now |
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| [17:37:57] | Anduin: | Hoxzer: same command, but at the end | wc -l then the number from that |
| [17:39:29] | Hoxzer: | objdump: supported architectures: i386 i386:x86–64 i8086 i386:x86–64:intel i386:intel <- you mean that? |
| [17:39:43] | Hoxzer: | 0 <- or this? |
| [17:40:48] | Anduin: | Hoxzer: No I mean objdump -W /usr/lib/libmythtv-0.19.so | wc -l |
| [17:40:59] | Hoxzer: | I did it |
| [17:41:07] | Hoxzer: | there was "0" at the end of it |
| [17:41:43] | Anduin: | Hoxzer: Is there a No such file in there as well? |
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| [17:42:35] | Hoxzer: | Anduin: I dont see anything like htat |
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| [17:42:54] | Anduin: | Hoxzer: paste the result to that paste site |
| [17:44:22] | Hoxzer: | http://pastebin.de/8041 |
| [17:46:50] | Hoxzer: | :) |
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| [17:51:43] | Anduin: | Hoxzer: Ok, paste the results of readelf -S /usr/lib/libmythblah |
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| [17:52:18] | Hoxzer: | readelf: Error: '/usr/lib/libmythblah': No such file |
| [17:53:09] | Anduin: | Hoxzer: blah is were I got tired of typing, use the actual lib name we've been using this whole time... |
| [17:53:26] | Hoxzer: | oh :D |
| [17:54:25] | Hoxzer: | http://pastebin.de/8042 |
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| [17:58:00] | Anduin: | Hoxzer: Now go do that on the lib generated during the build. |
| [17:58:30] | tims: | i just compiled and make installed mythtv .19, when i run mythtv-setup however, it says 'if this is the master backend server please run mythfilldatabase"and OK button... any ideas? |
| [17:59:06] | Hoxzer: | Anduin: You mean the one file in mythtv-svn source dir? |
| [17:59:33] | Anduin: | Hoxzer: Yes, the file should be in mythtv/libs/libmythtv |
| [18:00:28] | Anduin: | tims: and after you press ok? |
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| [18:01:18] | tims: | quits |
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| [18:01:24] | tims: | back to shell |
| [18:01:41] | tims: | it also has an error saying could not find theme GANT, when its in the /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes dir |
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| [18:03:45] | Anduin: | tims: Looking at the code, that is just a generic exit message, the larger problem would be the theme loading. |
| [18:05:34] | tims: | yeah, i figured the theme not loading could cause future problems, but its in the themes dir... |
| [18:05:39] | Hoxzer: | Anduin: I only see .cpp and .h files in /"svnsource"/mythtv/libs/libmythtv/ |
| [18:06:41] | Anduin: | Hoxzer: That would be bad, do the build steps again. If you didn't clean after your install the files not being there would seem to mean it isn't built. |
| [18:06:42] | tims: | is there a way to reset mythtv settings? if i ./configure – make – and make install again would that help ? |
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| [18:07:59] | Hoxzer: | Anduin: :( I did distclean before build |
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| [18:08:07] | Anduin: | tims: You can reset the theme with mythfrontend -r (a new make and make install won't do anything, unless it was a prefix mismatch) |
| [18:08:34] | Anduin: | Hoxzer: as you should, but if you didn't clean or distclean when you were done building the lib file would still be there. |
| [18:08:55] | tims: | did mythfrontend -r, then when i run mythfrontend i get same could not find theme gant again... |
| [18:09:00] | Hoxzer: | Anduin: :) have you heard this http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/bunny.php |
| [18:09:30] | Hoxzer: | ANduin: so I should delete svn dir and get everything from svn server? |
| [18:09:53] | Anduin: | Hoxzer: No, just run through the debug build/install steps again. |
| [18:10:20] | Hoxzer: | :E aaaargh |
| [18:10:36] | Anduin: | Hoxzer: No I haven't heard it, I don't use the internet, too much evil. |
| [18:11:44] | Hoxzer: | But everyone else has had more sex than me :(( |
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| [18:14:00] | tims: | anduin: is there a config file where i can change the theme to something else ? |
| [18:14:58] | Anduin: | tims: All in the DB, but yeah, if you know basic SQL you can change it. |
| [18:15:56] | tims: | nope, but i have phpmyadmin – heh |
| [18:16:20] | Anduin: | cheater |
| [18:16:35] | tims: | meh |
| [18:16:58] | tims: | i want to know the path it thinks gant should be in ... |
| [18:19:48] | Anduin: | tims: Unless you changed the prefix you have the path right |
| [18:20:18] | Anduin: | tims: Were you upgrading from .18? |
| [18:21:11] | tims: | nope |
| [18:21:13] | tims: | fresh .19 install |
| [18:21:29] | tims: | shouldnt i have a mythtv database ? i only see a mythconverg |
| [18:22:33] | Anduin: | tims: mythconverg is the database, settings is the table, the value to change is Theme |
| [18:22:34] | tims: | crap, cause im logged in as 'mythtv' it wont let me log in as root with phpmyadmin... |
| [18:23:01] | Anduin: | tims: logging in with mythtv with phpmyadmin should be fine |
| [18:23:32] | Anduin: | Hate to not really help and run but I'm off. |
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| [18:24:08] | tims: | alright – thanks htough |
| [18:24:25] | tims: | cant find the other themes either... |
| [18:27:42] | tims: | when i look at errors it says using prefix /usr/local |
| [18:27:46] | tims: | it should be /usr/local/share |
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| [18:31:14] | alsoconfused: | hey tims, can i offer a troubleshooting tip? |
| [18:31:18] | tims: | sure |
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| [18:31:36] | alsoconfused: | it's having probs finding theme files? |
| [18:31:41] | tims: | yep |
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| [18:32:17] | alsoconfused: | try something like this: strace -e file -f -o /tmp/traceout /usr/local/bin/mythfrontend |
| [18:32:39] | alsoconfused: | strace will let you see exactly where it's looking for the files |
| [18:33:30] | tims: | alright – that makes no sense "Couldn't find theme /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes/default |
| [18:33:37] | tims: | thats the right path for the default theme |
| [18:33:40] | tims: | and its there – heh |
| [18:34:20] | alsoconfused: | in the strace output, did you see where it tried to open one of the files? |
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| [18:35:39] | tims: | no thats the only path stuff i see in the output |
| [18:35:44] | tims: | next to using local prefix /usr/local |
| [18:36:01] | alsoconfused: | you ran the strace cmd i gave you? |
| [18:36:04] | tims: | yep |
| [18:36:12] | alsoconfused: | then looked in /tmp/traceout |
| [18:36:17] | alsoconfused: | ? |
| [18:36:25] | tims: | before it would just say couldnt find theme g.a.n.t. not it says couldnt find theme /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes/g.a.n.t. |
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| [18:36:42] | tims: | ah – 1 sec |
| [18:36:50] | alsoconfused: | grep themes/default /tmp/traceout |
| [18:37:38] | alsoconfused: | you should be able to see it making open() calls as well as the result of that call, e.g. ENOENT, EPERM |
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| [18:38:43] | tims: | i think g.a.n.t. had a . at the end of it |
| [18:38:52] | tims: | when it shouldnt have |
| [18:39:09] | tims: | im adding that command to my little bag of goodies : ) |
| [18:39:32] | alsoconfused: | mine does have the . : share/mythtv/themes/G.A.N.T./ |
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| [18:40:24] | tims: | heh, i know what happened |
| [18:40:38] | tims: | i cant do a wget from mythtv.com of the mythtv.19.tar |
| [18:40:44] | tims: | it uses a php redirect or something |
| [18:40:53] | tims: | so i dumped it to my windows box and ftp'd it over |
| [18:40:54] | alsoconfused: | what was it? |
| [18:40:59] | tims: | but windows dropped the . at the end |
| [18:41:07] | alsoconfused: | ahh |
| [18:41:41] | tims: | damn you windows |
| [18:41:45] | tims: | god i hate computers |
| [18:41:49] | tims: | i just want to watch tv |
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| [18:44:46] | alsoconfused: | did you get it? |
| [18:45:07] | alsoconfused: | wget should work, but you probably have to quote the URL |
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| [18:46:10] | tims: | well setup and stuff launches now |
| [18:46:20] | tims: | so now im on step 26 in my 3 month trial of this |
| [18:46:31] | alsoconfused: | new to unix/linux? |
| [18:46:33] | tims: | i got mythtv to work before, but im trying to get my winfast pvr 2000xp cheapo card working |
| [18:46:35] | tims: | not really |
| [18:46:42] | tims: | i had a running mythtv + mythstream before |
| [18:46:50] | tims: | resetting it up is a pain in the ass though |
| [18:47:10] | tims: | im probably the equivalent of a normal windows users but on linux – heh |
| [18:47:18] | tims: | user* |
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| [18:48:20] | Juski: | tims: software encoding or bust for that tuner card. AFAIK the mpeg recording works for video (in Linux, not mythtv) but not for audio (from experience) |
| [18:48:42] | tims: | well i have a hauppauge PVR250 already |
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| [18:48:55] | tims: | this was just so i could record 2 at once, and its inside an athlon 2000XP machine |
| [18:49:07] | tims: | juski: so shoudl i even bother |
| [18:49:08] | tims: | ? |
| [18:49:15] | Juski: | although with the kernel driver stuff for the cx23416 chip coming along nicely, maybe it won't be too long |
| [18:49:44] | alsoconfused: | is that part of ivtv? |
| [18:49:57] | Juski: | part of ivtv, and becoming part of the kernel |
| [18:50:12] | Juski: | infact ivtv is heading towards the kernel now |
| [18:50:12] | tims: | juski: is it possible to get this POS card working in mythtv ? |
| [18:50:36] | Juski: | tims: only as a software encoder – I had it working as a test, but for what its worth I wouldn't bother |
| [18:50:50] | Juski: | software encoding stinks |
| [18:51:16] | alsoconfused: | i agree, save up for another pvr-xxx |
| [18:51:22] | bluey-: | anyone uses xine for dvd watching? |
| [18:51:32] | tims: | yeah, i oculd have mowed 20 lawns for as much time as i put into this |
| [18:51:32] | tims: | heh |
| [18:51:47] | Juski: | in my windows box I only manage to record audio & video in mpeg2 with it occasionally anyway.. video is always fine, but the audio isnt |
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| [18:51:54] | Juski: | PoS drivers |
| [18:52:27] | Juski: | apparently the plutohome guys managed to make an ivtv layer for a hacked v4l driver for the pvr2000 & similar cards |
| [18:52:47] | Juski: | and they (allegedly) got it working with mythtv |
| [18:53:00] | Juski: | not much evidence on that front though |
| [18:53:42] | Juski: | maybe the audio would've worked if I could've got ahold of the firmware for it |
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| [18:54:35] | Juski: | though – maybe the ivtv fw would work... |
| [18:57:16] | tims: | i am trying to install ivtv .6 but it says ivtv-0.6.0 does NOT support kernels > 2.6.16! i am running 2.6.8 ... ? |
| [18:57:33] | tims: | well its 2.6.8-3-k7 is that the problem ? |
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| [18:59:57] | fatfishy: | hi |
| [19:00:54] | fatfishy: | anyone have experience with using 2 capture cards |
| [19:01:20] | alsoconfused: | tims, if i'm not mistaken you need ivtv version 0.4.6 for kernels older than 2.6.16 |
| [19:01:41] | fatfishy: | I was wondering the best way of going about it , I'm using firewire and just picked upa pvr-150 |
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| [19:02:48] | fatfishy: | i made 2 channel line up one for each input |
| [19:02:57] | fatfishy: | which sorta worked |
| [19:03:10] | tims: | alsoconfused, tried that – same error (not support kernels > 2.6.15 |
| [19:04:21] | fatfishy: | but now i the channels wont change using firewire and i cant switch if i hit y |
| [19:07:21] | kayelem: | I have two identical PCI cards both tied to the same "video source" – not sure if I can help, different setup. |
| [19:08:01] | alsoconfused: | tims: i'm pretty sure it's a bug in the makefile that's making it think you have a kernel newer than 2.6.15 |
| [19:08:43] | alsoconfused: | you can edit the makefile and give it a try if you want |
| [19:09:21] | fatfishy: | theres only like 20 or so channels that come in over firewire and all the rest I want to use the 150 for |
| [19:10:07] | kayelem: | fatfishy, yeah, you'd need a seperate video source set up for each card, which you've got. |
| [19:10:18] | fatfishy: | does it matter the order you add the cards in setup |
| [19:10:37] | kayelem: | fatfishy, if it's hung or stopped working that looks more like a driver issue of some sort; but i've not touched firewire stuff. |
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| [19:10:48] | kayelem: | iirc the first card gets used first, etc. |
| [19:10:54] | kayelem: | when scheduling recordings. |
| [19:13:27] | alsoconfused: | i think there's a way of prioritizing them in the setup |
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| [19:16:12] | kayelem: | ah yeah. cards get used in order of addition *if* they're all the same priority |
| [19:16:13] | tims: | i just had to create a symbolic link from the build it was looking for into my kernel-headers dir |
| [19:16:19] | tims: | make runs now, but errors galore... |
| [19:16:35] | tims: | ah – video4linux isnt ocmpiled |
| [19:16:41] | tims: | i guess im gonna have to compile my own kernel |
| [19:16:46] | tims: | afraid this was going to happen – heh |
| [19:16:55] | alsoconfused: | tims, which distro is this? |
| [19:16:59] | tims: | debian |
| [19:17:18] | tims: | after i run make in ivtv = media/v4l2-common.h: No such fil |
| [19:17:18] | tims: | e or directory |
| [19:17:53] | tims: | damnit, X is working, nvidia tv out is working, sound, the whole works without compiling my own kernel – last time i did this i couldnt even boot the machine |
| [19:20:03] | alsoconfused: | it can be tricky. have you considered using a newer distro? |
| [19:20:17] | tims: | ive had the most luck with debian |
| [19:20:35] | tims: | ubuntu bombed – though i heard its kinda debian |
| [19:20:38] | tims: | what else do you suggest? |
| [19:20:50] | tims: | i dont care as long as its easy to setup mythtv in KDE |
| [19:20:57] | alsoconfused: | fwiw, i just upgraded to FC5 and the mythtv, lirc, and nvidia installs were easy as pie |
| [19:21:28] | kayelem: | I've set one up with gentoo and that seemed pretty straightforward. |
| [19:21:29] | tims: | hmmm dont like red hat |
| [19:21:45] | fatfishy: | when i first installed the pvr-150 i read that there was an option under tvsetting>general>avoid conflicts between live tv and sched shows |
| [19:21:48] | alsoconfused: | nvidia, mythtv, mythtv-plugins, lirc were all rpms |
| [19:21:56] | fatfishy: | so i didnt have to rearange |
| [19:22:00] | kayelem: | used evilwm – I don't see what a windowmanager's needed for unless you ue the box for something else |
| [19:22:03] | fatfishy: | and that got my pvr to work |
| [19:22:16] | tims: | i can get mythtv running if i were to use the deb's but there is no deb for mythstreamtv which i need to compile mythtv for |
| [19:22:24] | fatfishy: | but that was b4 i knew about the y key |
| [19:22:39] | tims: | kayelem, i use it in my living to browse net and what not, i also dual boot it |
| [19:22:41] | fatfishy: | so i just turned it off an i switches manually now betwwen |
| [19:23:25] | kayelem: | tims, ah, ok – I just have mine as a dedicated mythtv box; never runs anything else |
| [19:23:37] | tims: | its nice to be able to alt+tab into youtube.com – heh |
| [19:23:50] | kayelem: | (with another 9 'puters ont he LAN it's not like I'm short of machines... |
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| [19:24:41] | tims: | ive never used gentoo – this emerge command is odd – im used to apt-get install : ) |
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| [19:25:13] | alsoconfused: | tims, it sounds like you're a glutton for punishment :) |
| [19:26:13] | fatfishy: | i tried knoppmyth and that didnt like firewire too much |
| [19:26:16] | alsoconfused: | tims: maybe kubuntu would work for you |
| [19:26:27] | fatfishy: | so i tried mythdora worked right out the box |
| [19:26:34] | fatfishy: | but i dont like rpms |
| [19:26:50] | tims: | normal ubuntu didnt work atall |
| [19:27:06] | fatfishy: | i read ubu didnt have firewire compiled |
| [19:27:06] | alsoconfused: | rpms work fine |
| [19:27:25] | fatfishy: | yum doesnt want to add repos |
| [19:27:34] | tims: | well ill try compiling my own kernel first, which ver should i get to work with mythtv ? |
| [19:27:39] | fatfishy: | or im using the wrong ones |
| [19:28:15] | alsoconfused: | tims: kernel 2.6.16 with ivtv 0.6.3 seems to work well |
| [19:28:36] | tims: | ok |
| [19:28:43] | alsoconfused: | do not get kernel 2.6.17! |
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| [19:29:36] | tims: | wasnt planning on it – heh |
| [19:29:44] | tims: | 2.6.16.20 gave me enough problems |
| [19:29:50] | tims: | even is stable right ? |
| [19:30:04] | alsoconfused: | last i knew |
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| [19:52:19] | ficusplanet: | Hey everyone. I just added a PVR-500 to a box that had only a PVR-250 before. I have /dev/video0 setup, but can't get either tuner from the PVR-500 setup. Does anyone have any experience with this (I'm just trying to get the "TV In" port working)? |
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| [21:11:01] | Pete__: | trying to get mythweb working, all it seems to do is produce a binary file |
| [21:11:18] | gardengnome: | that might be a problem with mod_gzip. |
| [21:11:57] | Pete__: | im fairly sure mod_gzip is working fine, I use it on another vhost |
| [21:12:18] | Pete__: | but, any suggestions? |
| [21:15:19] | Pete__: | can I turn off the gzip compression easily without modifying the source too heavily? |
| [21:16:32] | gardengnome: | disable mod_gzip for testing? |
| [21:16:36] | Zider: | 35 days uptime on the mythbox.. nice.. :D |
| [21:17:41] | gardengnome: | Zider: mine usually comes close to 100 days before i shut it down to tinker with it |
| [21:18:26] | Pete__: | I can only usually get to ~2 days uptime on anything at the moment, something keeps tripping the RCD |
| [21:18:44] | gardengnome: | RCD? |
| [21:18:55] | Pete__: | residual current device |
| [21:19:12] | gardengnome: | my server box is at 101 days now. silly athlon ;) |
| [21:19:27] | gardengnome: | ah, i see. |
| [21:20:28] | Zider: | gardengnome: I've tinkered with it without rebooting :P |
| [21:20:36] | Zider: | hm, CD importing hangs.. :( |
| [21:21:17] | gardengnome: | Zider: well, i had to put in an additional capture card ;) |
| [21:21:30] | Zider: | :D |
| [21:21:57] | Zider: | hm, I wonder why it hangs tho.. |
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| [21:22:21] | Zider: | if I have a CD in the drive when starting cd import it hangs.. if it's empty it works.. |
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| [21:22:58] | Kyler: | I'm trying to use the latest ivtv and I get "MPEGRec(/dev/video3) Error: Error getting codec params eno: Invalid argument (22)" |
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| [21:25:08] | Pete__: | hmm how would I go about disabling mod_gzip without recompiling? |
| [21:25:40] | gardengnome: | Pete__: just don't load it. |
| [21:26:03] | Pete__: | I don't actually know where its being loaded though, can I just disable it for a vhost? |
| [21:27:40] | Kyler: | ...and when I try 0.6.3 I get errors in ivtv-audio.c. |
| [21:30:25] | Kyler: | Ah ha! I just discovered the ivtv 0.7 branch... |
| [21:33:28] | Pete__: | well, I've got it down to this.. "<b>Warning</b>: main(config/conf.php): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in..." |
| [21:33:57] | Pete__: | any ideas? |
| [21:34:08] | Pete__: | mythweb is the root |
| [21:37:05] | ipso: | Anyone know the best way to debug Myth, for some reason its using 100% SYS CPU time, and I would like to find out specifically where all the CPU time is going |
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| [21:45:22] | Pete__: | The server encountered an internal error and was unable to complete your request. Either the server is overloaded or there was an error in a CGI script. |
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| [21:47:44] | Pete__: | that server certanly isn't overloaded.. |
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| [21:50:56] | Pete__: | someone here must know a bit about mythweb.. |
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| [21:55:36] | Pete__: | Warning: main(config/conf.php): failed to open stream: No such file or directory |
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| [22:02:07] | adante: | i just upgraded mysql and when i try to start myth now i get this 'QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded' followed by a few related errors – is there a way i can fix this short of rebuilding? |
| [22:03:51] | gardengnome: | what distro are you using? |
| [22:04:02] | adante: | gentoo |
| [22:04:13] | alsoconfused: | Pete__: maybe i can help |
| [22:04:19] | gardengnome: | adante: tried revdep-rebuild yet? |
| [22:05:37] | Pete__: | alsoconfused: ah I finally got it, sorry. Thanks for the offer though, I just commented out the gzip lines, and did something else that I have forgotten now |
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| [22:06:07] | alsoconfused: | Pete__: cool |
| [22:07:15] | kleptophobiac2: | anybody ever just... made up their own lirc codes? |
| [22:10:43] | adante: | gardengnome: just tried.. no luck |
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| [22:11:30] | gardengnome: | adante: qt is built with the mysql use flag, right? |
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| [22:12:44] | Jelte: | hi there... anyone here know how i get 0.19-fixes on a ubuntu machine? |
| [22:13:04] | gardengnome: | yes. |
| [22:13:17] | Jelte: | please dont say compile from source :-) |
| [22:13:25] | adante: | gardengnome: yep |
| [22:13:41] | Jelte: | i have svn20060212 .... |
| [22:13:43] | gardengnome: | Jelte: oh well. |
| [22:14:37] | gardengnome: | Jelte: add "deb http://hamsta.net/mythtv/files/dapper ./" to your sources list, apt-get update, apt-get install mythtv. no warranties, get a backup and use common sense. |
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| [22:14:58] | Jelte: | gardengnome: , thanks! |
| [22:17:21] | Jelte: | hmmm that seems to have the same packages as I have now... but I still get a "MySQL server has gone away" msg in my log files... so it appears I've lost all my scheduled recordings :-( |
| [22:17:48] | gardengnome: | lost all your scheduled recordings? do you mean, they're gone for good? |
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| [22:18:26] | Jelte: | well I hope they are still in the DB somewhere... just that the frontend can't see them... and anytime I try adding new ones, i get that mysql error in mythbackend.log |
| [22:18:41] | gardengnome: | that should be the case. |
| [22:18:53] | gardengnome: | are you running mysql5? |
| [22:18:56] | Jelte: | there's some posting here: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/195340 which claims it's to do with mysql 5's closing of connections? |
| [22:19:10] | Jelte: | yeah |
| [22:19:15] | gardengnome: | probably. i haven't run into the issue myself yet |
| [22:19:18] | Jelte: | ver 14.12 Distrib 5.0.22 |
| [22:19:31] | Jelte: | it worked ok with myth 0.18 |
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| [22:21:03] | gardengnome: | sorry, i gotta go. g'night. |
| [22:21:13] | ** Jelte is starting to regret moving up to 0.19 :-( ** | |
| [22:22:32] | Jelte: | if it is to do with mysql closing connections too soon, can I change that somewhere in mysql's config files? |
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| [22:25:22] | Jelte: | ok, so is there any plan when release-0-19-fixes will make it in to 0.20? |
| [22:26:50] | Pete__: | hmm.. anyone know much about windows? How would I register myth:// as a protocol? (mythweb..) |
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| [22:34:54] | scopeuk: | ^^ lovely |
| [22:35:16] | scopeuk: | oh no god help me someone else can use my nick |
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| [22:48:22] | kayelem: | scopeuk, but... how do we know that someone's not already done that, and it's not really you...? ;-) |
| [22:48:44] | kayelem: | come to think of it, I might not be me either... |
| [22:51:31] | scopeuk: | gp |
| [22:51:54] | scopeuk: | i mean it should be obvious from the lack of typign erros thus far that it isent me sat here right now |
| [22:51:56] | scopeuk: | ;-) |
| [22:54:15] | kayelem: | heh |
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| [22:58:36] | MarshallWalker: | Hello, all. Well I got the tuner working on my PVR-150. now i'm working on the remote and tv-out. any takers? |
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| [23:01:28] | MarshallWalker: | I'm using the Wilsonet FC4 HOWTO, and i'm now to the part of setting up the remote. |
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| [23:06:36] | Pete__: | sweet, tv again. |
| [23:07:20] | MarshallWalker: | does anyone see me on here? |
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| [23:08:10] | Pete__: | I see you, but I can't help |
| [23:08:27] | MarshallWalker: | okay, whew.. didn't know if I was being blocked or not. |
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| [23:16:00] | spiderworm: | hey all, what window manager does mythtv work well with? |
| [23:16:40] | nosatalian: | any, if you are only running mythtv on the machine, you can stick to something lightweight like fluxbox or twm. |
| [23:17:08] | spiderworm: | yeah i have kde right now and i'm looking for something more lightweight |
| [23:18:00] | nosatalian: | fluxbox is easy, and quite minimal (compared to kde) |
| [23:18:25] | spiderworm: | i would like a WM that has the ability to automatically start up mythtv when it starts... will fluxbox do that? |
| [23:18:46] | skullY: | for some reason my program guide is showing the livetv preview in the upper left corner instead of the preview area in the upper right. I can't find anything in either the official faq or the channel faq about that. I'm using the G.A.N.T. theme. |
| [23:18:59] | Brains: | (You could always go horribly minimal and use ratpoison...) |
| [23:19:02] | skullY: | spider: You can start anything you want by modifying your xinitrc |
| [23:19:17] | skullY: | no need for the WM to have support for starting programs |
| [23:19:57] | skullY: | <-- doesn't even use a WM, my xinitrc starts mythfrontend |
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| [23:20:07] | spiderworm: | ah, wow |
| [23:20:48] | spiderworm: | skullY: i have other apps too, like certain games i would like to access from time to time (neverball, scorched 3d, etc)... .would those work using your setup, skullY ? |
| [23:21:01] | skullY: | yes and no. :) |
| [23:21:19] | skullY: | if you're not dedicating the account/machine to mythtv, better off running a lightweight WM |
| [23:24:07] | spiderworm: | gotcha |
| [23:24:08] | spiderworm: | thanks |
| [23:25:43] | skullY: | so no one knows why my guide has a broken livetv preview? |
| [23:25:51] | skullY: | or at least how to turn that off? |
| [23:27:26] | Juski: | skullY: easy. no xv on your X server |
| [23:27:49] | skullY: | hrm, there should be... |
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| [23:28:51] | skullY: | huh, there's not |
| [23:29:02] | skullY: | wonder why that got lost when I reconfigured xorg |
| [23:29:03] | Juski: | ding! |
| [23:29:16] | skullY: | any other modules I should ensure I have while I'm here? |
| [23:30:05] | Juski: | dunno... DRI ? |
| [23:30:35] | skullY: | yeah, I have that |
| [23:31:45] | skullY: | hrm |
| [23:31:49] | skullY: | xv is a module, right? |
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| [23:32:27] | sfullenwider: | What would cause a setup to be able to cat /dev/video > file.mpeg and create a perfectly good mpeg, have ivtv-tune change channels without a problem, have mplayer /dev/video work just fine, and yet have mythfrontend display a blank screen? |
| [23:33:08] | nero: | sfullenwider, tuning in the wrong tuner, etc, on the card in mythtv? |
| [23:33:20] | sfullenwider: | I only have one tuner. |
| [23:33:35] | nero: | PVR-x50 card? |
| [23:33:38] | sfullenwider: | yup |
| [23:33:43] | sfullenwider: | PVR-150 |
| [23:33:46] | nero: | If so, you have a tuner then the video line in inputs.. |
| [23:33:53] | Juski: | was mythtv set up for an mpeg encoding card? |
| [23:34:05] | nero: | if you are tuning to say the svideo input, you'll get a black screen. |
| [23:34:50] | sfullenwider: | an mpeg encoding card? |
| [23:35:26] | nero: | pvr-x50 has a tuner, and video encoding capabilities.. |
| [23:35:28] | Juski: | sfullenwider: yes, in mythtv-setup.. when you added the capture card, did you set it as an mpeg encoder? |
| [23:35:29] | sfullenwider: | ok I see, mpeg encoding card.... |
| [23:35:49] | nero: | so, you can either select as input, tuner, svideo, composite video, etc.. |
| [23:35:55] | sfullenwider: | it is now, (checked since you asked), but now it say something about channel 10 not existing. |
| [23:36:22] | Juski: | it will do that if you have no channel 10 |
| [23:36:40] | Juski: | you have to set it to start with a channel which actually exists in the channel table |
| [23:36:43] | test34: | How can I set the default brightness for all channels ? |
| [23:37:08] | Juski: | anyway.. time for bed |
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| [23:37:43] | sfullenwider: | Ok I set it to mpeg encoding and quit (with "Yes, I know what I'm doing) and started it back up, now it works fine. |
| [23:37:52] | sfullenwider: | channel 10 does actually exist, though. |
| [23:38:07] | sfullenwider: | It's a crappy channel, perhaps it shouldn't exist, but in reality, it does. |
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| [23:39:16] | spiderworm: | will using KDM slow down anything? |
| [23:39:27] | nosatalian: | just turning on your computer |
| [23:39:38] | spiderworm: | *grin* |
| [23:40:05] | nosatalian: | but no, DMs generally don't cause any harm when they arn't running |
| [23:40:41] | coolego1: | how can I see what filesystem I'm using without running fdisk? |
| [23:41:11] | coolego1: | test34 you have to connect to the mySQL database and do some blanket updates |
| [23:41:41] | nosatalian: | cat /etc/fstab ? |
| [23:42:05] | coolego1: | (duh) that makes sense |
| [23:42:09] | coolego1: | thanks |
| [23:42:12] | test34: | coolego1, run mount ? |
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| [23:42:30] | coolego1: | reading fstab did it... |
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| [23:48:57] | coolego1: | anyone know of a good LVM guide that I can use to add a new drive to my LVM with ext3? |
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| [23:55:13] | nosatalian: | http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/lvm2.xml |
| [23:55:30] | nosatalian: | gentoo usually has the best documentation |
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