Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, June 23rd, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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kormoc:

sloncho, that is true, but most ubuntu users don't :P

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Cyberai:

kormoc, I just rebooted and tried tv and my whole system froze

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sloncho:

higen, anduin: how do I set the allsign?

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Cyberai:

I had to do a hard reset

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kormoc:

Cyberai, what tv card?

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Cyberai:

hauppage pvr 250

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sloncho:

callsign i mean

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Anduin:

sloncho: You don't, it is part of the listing data.

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jk1joel:

well thanks all for the input

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higen:

sloncho: try chaning your channelname from channel 1 or something to WFTC

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Cyberai:

I got sound for a second, then it locked up

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coopster:

D-side: yeah, i'll probably keep my gentoo backend running, it's plenty stable

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kormoc:

Cyberai, wjat ivtv and driver version?

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Cyberai:

the other night I got sound and vid for a few minutes, but changing channels caused a freeze

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Cyberai:

lemme look

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sloncho:

anduin: any idea why it was not set in the first place then? or how to recover?

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Anduin:

higen: A channel name is only sometimes the same as the callsign, there are two fields in the DB (so callsign != channel name)

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sloncho:

higen: i'll try

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sloncho:

anduin: which tabe in the db is this, so I can check what I have there

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higen:

Anduin: but something has to link up against the callsign

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Anduin:

sloncho: Using datadirect?

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sloncho:

anduin: yes

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higen:

Anduin: i dont have a clue if its channel name or anything else.. but there has to be a common identifier.. which should be editable in userinterface level... right?

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Anduin:

sloncho: Then the callsign was sent with the XML, if you don't see it there I'd clear out the channel table and download again.

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sloncho:

anduin: how do I clean it. from mysql using delete from, or there is a script?

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Anduin:

higen: No, if people could edit it, they would, which would mess stuff up (one of the reasons there is a name and a callsign)

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Cyberai:

kormoc, I can't determine the ivtv version, it's not showiing up in synaptic and dpkg -l ivtv gives me nothing

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Anduin:

sloncho: Or mythtv-setup can clear the channel table.

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Cyberai:

got a tip on how I can get it?

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higen:

Anduin: but the callsign are generated under channelscanning or so? (or fetched through the network) right?

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Anduin:

higen: They are included in the datadirect XML info.

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kormoc:

Cyberai, uhh, not really without knowing how you installed it

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Cyberai:

crud

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Cyberai:

I was sort of suspecting that they might be the culprit

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higen:

Anduin: and how are they linked up towards your own channel configuration?

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Cyberai:

is there a version of ivtv that you recommend?

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higen:

Anduin: sorry about all the questions.. i am just curious.. :)

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Anduin:

higen: I don't understand that question.

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D-side:

jk1joel: in any case, good luck.

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kormoc:

Cyberai, depends on your kernel version. My m179 (250 just rebranded) I use 2.6.14 and itvt 0.4.0 and it's very stable and happy

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jk1joel:

D-side: thanks!

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riddlebox:

Cyberai, I am using 0.4.3 I believe

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Cyberai:

I'm on 2.6.15-23–386

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sloncho:

anduin: after deleteing all video sources in mythtvsetup, do i need to call filldb script to clean the db? and then setup again the videsource, and again filldb?

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riddlebox:

Cyberai, using dapper?

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Cyberai:

yes

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higen:

Anduin: well it depends a bit on what kind of tv-network that are in use.. but if you for example scann for channels on an analouge network.. you will get channels in your db. with diffrent names.. they will probably be named with some kind of callsign from mythtv frontend.. but based upond what?

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riddlebox:

Cyberai, I just found a site with apt sources for the newest mythtv .debs for dapper

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Cyberai:

riddlebox, hamsta?

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riddlebox:

Cyberai, deb http://knm.org/mythdebs/ binary/

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riddlebox:

deb-src http://knm.org/mythdebs/ source/

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Anduin:

higen: The only scan should be for HD which is a black box and gives it through magic, the other ways are through xmltv and datadirect which have the information in one form or another, or there is by hand, which well, gives you what you enter.

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higen:

ahh.. okay.. i see..

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higen:

so they are all pritty much constants :)

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Anduin:

sloncho: Yes, though if you didn't delete the input sources you should be able to just fill again (if you are running SVN you'll need to pass the update-channels switch or some option close to that in name).

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Anduin:

higen: Yes, the callsign is treated as a constant and used as an index into the callsigntonetwork, then networks actually have icons (basically so we can use the same HBO icon for all 20 HBO channels you may have).

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sloncho:

anduin: i did delete video source, delete channels, exit setup, filldb, again setup, new video source, exit setup. now filldb is running. still did not go to channel setup in mythtv-setup. am i on the right track?

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higen:

yea.. i figured that out from the xml.. but that clear things up.. then i guess thats not the problem sloncho have now anyway :)

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Anduin:

sloncho: That extra filldb (before rerunning setup) is pointless. If you pass the right options to mythfilldatabase your time spent in mythtv-setup should be minimal.

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Cyberai:

ok, I think I am going to re-install ivtv from source, maybe that will fix this

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higen:

another sidequestion: since its qt based.. how is it to do a cross compile of myth?

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hi2:

where can i set it to allow auto expiring when reaching the episode limit

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sloncho:

higen: in multiverse there is a dummy package which reference all dev packages needed for mythtv compile. it install everything you need

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higen:

i was thinking more of compiling myth on mac os x or windowss

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sloncho:

ops, sorry, my mind is not all there :)

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higen:

but i guess its not only dependent on qt :)

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sloncho:

higen i saw somewhere there are mac and win versions

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Anduin:

Mac frontend, nor real Windows version yet (soc project though).

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higen:

oh.. thats cool.. not that i endorse use of windows.. i just find the whole QT lib. rather impressive :)

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sloncho:

anduin: ok – filldb is done. now what?

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hi2:

is there a way to autoexpire old episodes when reaching the episode limit so new ones will record

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kormoc:

hi2, yes, set the episode limit to x and select, expire old and record new

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Anduin:

sloncho: Check your channel table, make sure everything is there.

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sloncho:

wow: not it is different :)

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sloncho:

anduin: i wonder what went wrong in the past

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sloncho:

anduin: oh, i know

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sloncho:

i went to channel setup before filldb, and scan for channels

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sloncho:

so, the docs are not so clear, as one would expect to do all the job while is in the setup program

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Anduin:

sloncho: Is there really a channel scan for analog now?

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kormoc:

I didn't think so...

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sloncho:

anduin: it forces the tuner to scan the freq for signal

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Anduin:

Me neither, but I avoid mythtv-setup when I can.

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GreyFoxx:

There is

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sloncho:

then it names them channel 2, 3, whatever it finds

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sloncho:

no name

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Anduin:

Hmm, lame, at least for DD or xmltv users.

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sloncho:

so, either this scan need to be placed somewhere else, or should be a warn, or ... who knows

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sloncho:

need to remember to file a bug report, or feature request, or ... maybe at least edit the wiki

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Anduin:

sloncho: Yeah, if anything it is a howto step misstep, not really a bug.

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sloncho:

it is still missleading for guys like me (and most users) who read the docs as last resort. My assumption would be – setup the video source, set the channels – ohh, there is scan – ok, scan then ... and here's the problem

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sloncho:

its just a usability problem

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sloncho:

not a bug

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sloncho:

and change in the docs will help of cource

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GreyFoxx:

What docs did you read?

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GreyFoxx:

OR didn't you say that you didn't read the cdocs first, so their content wouldn't have mattered ?:)

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Cardoe:

well I guess it's time to make another rev

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Cardoe:

kormoc: wanna test?

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D-side:

Cardoe: another rev?

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D-side:

do tell

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kormoc:

Cardoe, sure, toss the ebuilds my way and I'll toss them on my box

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kormoc:

D-side, new 0.19-fixes ebuild :)

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D-side:

ooh.

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D-side:

wonder if it'll break my xbmc frontend

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D-side:

likely not.

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D-side:

i'll give it a shot if you like. :)

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sloncho:

GreyFoxx: the docs are kind-a correct, as they say that you setup the video source, and then run filldb. but the normal user assumption is – while i'm in setup – i'll setup everything

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kormoc:

D-side, cardoe's the offical gentoo maintainer, and I'm his offical how screwed can he make my system person :)

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D-side:

oh i'm well aware of the former

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D-side:

he's bitched me out before for not reporting problems with ebuilds. :)

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kormoc:

hehe

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Cardoe:

:)

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sloncho:

GreyFoxx: so – maybe a button which invokes filldb when u setup the video sources will remove all confusion

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D-side:

Cardoe: and i'm sure you'll be happy to know that the reason you havent heard from me is because everything just works. :)

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Cardoe:

I actually did a presentation on MythTV at the local LUG meeting

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Cardoe:

there were like 60 people there

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D-side:

ah nice

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Cardoe:

1 kid that I yelled at on a bug report

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Cardoe:

D-side: yep. that's what's good too hear

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Anduin:

sloncho: It is headed in the direction, the whole channel editing thing should be live with DD (and less buggy) someday.

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LabMonkey:

anyone here use lcdproc-0.5.0?

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GreyFoxx:

sloncho: I don't see that as very likely, at least not without more than just a button, as the user will have to watch the wholemythfilldb process or they willthink it's locked up or "broken" when the channels aren't instantly listed after hitting the button

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GreyFoxx:

Now if some window appearred showing mythfilldb running after you hit said button it might be doable

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Cardoe:

LabMonkey: I need to setup lcdproc at first

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sloncho:

GreyFoxx: just a progress barr should be ok. it downloads 14 days ahead – so 14 sections to be filled :)

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LabMonkey:

Cardoe: ?

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GreyFoxx:

sloncho: 14 days in North america

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GreyFoxx:

but it differs per country

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Cardoe:

er first

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GreyFoxx:

:) and

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Cardoe:

hahaha

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Cardoe:

sorry Cobert Report is on

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LabMonkey:

heh

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Anduin:

GreyFoxx: dtk has already added the base to fetch/manipulate DD channels, just a matter of making it all work right.

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LabMonkey:

well

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GreyFoxx:

sloncho: the easiest would be to popup a "Are you sure you don't wanna run mythfilldatabase" warning window

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LabMonkey:

I'm just trying to figure out why it's looking for imon.so

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LabMonkey:

I thought all of the drivers were compiled in

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GreyFoxx:

Anduin: Nifty

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sloncho:

anduin, GreyFoxx: ok, looks like this problem is solved

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sloncho:

:)

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sloncho:

now, if someone tells me, why after filldb, checking in the channel section that channels are there, then importing the icons, and now ... there is no program guide in the fromtend to schedule recording :)

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GreyFoxx:

Did you connect the video source to an input on your card ?

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scales:

kormoc you still around?

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sloncho:

GreyFoxx: I was just about to do it :P

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** GreyFoxx goes back to playing with his msntv **

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sloncho:

hehehee

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GreyFoxx:

sloncho: They make cheap frontends :)

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GreyFoxx:

got mine for $9USD each off ebay

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sloncho:

msntv? :)))

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sloncho:

hehe

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GreyFoxx:

yup

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GreyFoxx:

hardware STB, hacked to boot linux

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GreyFoxx:

Same CPU and TV Encoder as a Xbox, but twice the ram and no fans, so it's dead silent :)

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GreyFoxx:

and with theUSB 2 ports I plug in my gamepad to use with mythgame :)

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kayelem:

GreyFoxx, this sounds interesting...

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sloncho:

wow, that's interesting

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GreyFoxx:

http://mirror.toc2rta.com/index.php/Main_Page

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sloncho:

what cpu/ram it has?

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GreyFoxx:

you can add an IDE header

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GreyFoxx:

733mhzceleron + 128MEgof ram

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kayelem:

GreyFoxx, what's the video outputs on that, and the video h/w? (I'm in the UK so need PAL/625 or a VGA that'll do as I tell it...)

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GreyFoxx:

S-video or Composite

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GreyFoxx:

HArdware is capable of pal, but I haven't added support for PAL yet

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GreyFoxx:

so far I've just doine 640x480 , 720x480, 800x600 NTSC

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kayelem:

GreyFoxx, ah, so the TV encoder's a PAL/NTSC capable one...

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GreyFoxx:

but this weekend if I get time I'm gonna start on PAL support

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kayelem:

GreyFoxx, hmmmm... looks like I may have to acquire one to play with anyway...

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GreyFoxx:

For those wanting spdif audio it should be trivial to solder on a header

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** kayelem nods **

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scales:

anyone use dd to copy a drive?

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kayelem:

ok; cheers for tipping me off to the existence of those; looks like one may be heading across the Atlantic sometime soon...

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GreyFoxx:

scales, why not just rsync ?

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** kayelem uses xfsdump for that; but that does presuppose xfs filesystems on both... **

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kayelem:

well, xfsdump piped into xfsrestore...

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** GreyFoxx uses rsync for all cloning **

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sloncho:

scales: i would use partimage. it can use bz2 and zip compression to make a copy of partition. supports ntfs as well.

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kayelem:

dd can be somewhat dangerous; it's a bit "low level" really...

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kayelem:

I've used it for cloning isentical drives though.

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kayelem:

-s+d

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GreyFoxx:

mount /dev/old /old ; mount /dev/new /new ; cd /new; rsync -avrx /old/ .

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

cept if you are cloning a bootable drive you wouldstill have to install thge bootloader

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kayelem:

GreyFoxx, are you buying these things up in bulk; like; am I gonna end up bidding against you if i find one? ;-)

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GreyFoxx:

I bought all mine months ago

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kayelem:

I gotta look for those where the vendor will actually ship to UK

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GreyFoxx:

most of the sellers wouldn't ship outsidethe US, but I found some Canadian sellers

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GreyFoxx:

afre of the guys from the UK got them from someone on ebay though

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GreyFoxx:

a few

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GreyFoxx:

There is a #msntv channel on irc.dashhacks.com

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kayelem:

GreyFoxx, ah, for folks hacking about with them?

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kayelem:

I'm always on the lookout for interesting and above all *cheap* hardware to play with :)

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GreyFoxx:

pretty much, but it's mostly just a few of us who are active

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kayelem:

I do hardware stuff do so waving a soldering iron about inside holds no fear.

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kayelem:

s/do/too,/

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kayelem:

GreyFoxx, I was going to look for an xbox, but this thing looks both better and cheaper.

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kayelem:

GreyFoxx, I'll try to get hold of one and join in the fun, i think :)

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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scales_:

agh

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scales_:

sorry i lost connection

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scales_:

ok so help on the backup?

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kayelem:

GreyFoxx, hey, there's pads for an HD-15 on the board...

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** kayelem suddenly has a new project; 405-line MythTV frontend on msntv2 box :-D **

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scales11_:

agh so i had to change my name, irc is being stupid

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scales11_:

alright guys help with backing up my system?

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GreyFoxx:

kayelem: What'sa HD-15 ?

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kayelem:

GreyFoxx, VGA connector

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GreyFoxx:

oh, yes:)

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kayelem:

GreyFoxx, for 405-line I can't use the TV encoder...

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GreyFoxx:

someone said it was missing a few components

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kayelem:

yeah, i see some pads for SM resistors

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kayelem:

Just reading forum postings about that.

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scales11_:

what were your alternatives to dd?

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scales11_:

so

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scales11_:

anyone have options?

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kayelem:

rsync is probably favourite.

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kayelem:

unless you're using XFS filesystems; when xfsdump/xfsrestore just rock...

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scales11_:

rsync

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scales11_:

humm

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scales11_:

ok well i try rsync /dev/hda1 /media/sda1

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scales11_:

and it give me an error "operation not permitted"

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kayelem:

er, they should be mounted filesystems

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scales11_:

humm

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scales11_:

both are mounted.....

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scales11_:

i dont follow

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kayelem:

/dev/hda1 is a raw device.

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scales11_:

ok

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scales11_:

so if i want to copy hda1 and onto sda1 what would i enter

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kayelem:

first mount them both.

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kayelem:

erg. this is complicated if you have multiple partitions.

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scales11_:

uh huh

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kayelem:

rsync works like cp, but preserves permissions and generally does a better job.

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kayelem:

so you mount both drives somewhere and use rsync to transfer the files

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Cardoe:

soooo lets see who unmasks MythTV ebuilds automatically.

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scales11_:

so i either backup my computer

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scales11_:

or if that is such a pain, make my removable hard drive mount with permission for anyone to use

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scales11_:

which is easier

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Dagmar:

cp preserves permissions fine.

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Dagmar:

tar preserves permissions, recreates device nodes, and can handle symbolic username/group changes.

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kayelem:

I've tended to use tar piped to untar to clone drives

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kayelem:

with appropriate options

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kayelem:

GreyFoxx, the more i look into this msntv2 thing, the more I know I want to hack about with one... :-D

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xris:

Dagmar: and rsync does that, sparse files, hard links, etc., etc. even over a network

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hadees:

xorg keeps locking up on me when watching mythtv video on my machine, I had this problem before but I had to reinstall and I forogt exactly what i need to disable in the the xorg config file to stop this from happening

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hadees:

it was opengl and something else

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xris:

!search blue border

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joshk:

hi, this isn't directly mythtv related, but does have experience with using the rivatv driver?

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Varanger:

hello

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Varanger:

I have a TV Wonder VE

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Varanger:

I am trying to make the bt87x module to work

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Varanger:

and nothing

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Varanger:

what can I do?

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Mattwj2005:

well guys I got my GeForce FX 5200 today

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Mattwj2005:

right now I am reinstalling knoppmyth

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Mattwj2005:

boy quiet room tonight

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mikebot:

can someone help me with installing mythtv after i have extracted the folder?

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Agrajag-:

which distro?

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mikebot:

windows xp

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mikebot:

[it does work on xp, right?]

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Agrajag-:

err.. no :P

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mikebot:

hrm

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mikebot:

hehe, i guess that's my problem

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mikebot:

do you know a program like mythtv that works on windows? (besides beyondtv?)

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Agrajag-:

dont know, dont think there's anything nearly as good

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mikebot:

darn

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mikebot:

so windows users are sol?

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Agrajag-:

i think there's a google summer of code project for porting to windows

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mikebot:

there has to be some windows program to watch tv

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D-side:

mikebot: try sagetv.

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D-side:

i guess.

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mikebot:

besdies beyond tv

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mikebot:

D-side: thanks

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mikebot:

hrm, it's only a trial

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mikebot:

rather, i have to purchase it?

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D-side:

of course.

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D-side:

theres some free one out there i think. it might be a pile of crap.

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mikebot:

ah

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mikebot:

so i'm better off installing, like, ubuntu, and using mythtv?

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D-side:

http://www.team-mediaportal.com/

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D-side:

thats the one i was thinking of

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D-side:

and i have no idea how well it works.

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D-side:

i wouldnt use anything like that

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mikebot:

hehe ok

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mikebot:

thanks

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D-side:

i'm sure mythtv is far and away a better system

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D-side:

but hey. :)

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dev:

<Agrajag-> which distro?

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dev:

<mikebot> windows xp

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dev:

now that is quote bot worthy

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Mattwj2005:

anyone know how to kill the X server and kept it from restarting?

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moemoe:

terminate your login-manager (xdm, gdm, kdm, entrance, whatever)

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Mattwj2005:

thanks

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Mattwj2005:

:)

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mikebot:

hehe

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mikebot:

the problem is, beyondtv works like one time

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mikebot:

then never works again

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mikebot:

and i have to reinstall it

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moemoe:

05:20:30 <Agrajag-> i think there's a google summer of code project for porting to windows <- by the way, what's the state of summer of code, 'cause i couldn't find a list of projects that got acutally selected etc

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dev:

on the wiki

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dev:

there arent any "status updates" though.

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dev:

you'll have to keep up with the dev channel for that

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Mattwj2005:

what is the channel?

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dev:

#mythtv

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Mattwj2005:

that is for the summer code project?

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dev:

no, its the dev channel

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Mattwj2005:

oh

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moemoe:

dev: could you give me/us just a very short summary?

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dev:

no, because its on the wiki

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dev:

;p

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dev:

i like to type, but not that much

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dev:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/SoC2006

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Varanger:

I can't configure my ATI Tv Wonder VE :(

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moemoe:

yeah, there is a list of projects. the interesting things for me are the web ui redesign and mythmusic

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moemoe:

is there anything with these parts?

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moemoe:

just say yes or no ;)

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dev:

there's progress, but soc has only just begun

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dev:

i have a train in the morning, night

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moemoe:

or did i missunderstand the whole thing and every project listes in http://code.google.com/soc/mythtv/about.html is in progress?

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moemoe:

in the morning, here it's 5:45am :)

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moemoe:

s/listes in/listed on/

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kleptophobiac2:

damn, that was a big split

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nosun:

yep

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nosun:

really big split

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Mattwj2005:

well I can kinda play 1080i on my MythTV box

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Mattwj2005:

it studders quite a bit....but it is 1080i on a 1.2 Ghz Celron!

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xxx:

guys, my mythtv says "cannot connect to master backend server" the ip address is set to 127.0.0.1

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sixy:

check mythbackend is running

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xxx:

sixy: ya it is running

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xxx:

sixy: it says "Connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543"

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xxx:

but fails

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xxx:

please help

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tank-man:

is the backend on the same pc as the frontend?

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xxx:

tank-man: ype

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xxx:

yep

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sixy:

run mythtvsetup again – check that it has actually written the config files

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xxx:

tank-man, is the port number ok ?

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tank-man:

i dont know

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tank-man:

i never changed any port settings

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xxx:

damn.. then why wouldn't it connect to the backend server

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sixy:

try disabling your firewall – although i dont think the firewall blocks lo

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xxx:

sixy, how do i turn off the firewall

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sixy:

system-config-securitylevel

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sixy:

you may also need to diasble selilnux – not sure about that

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xxx:

:S

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xxx:

how frustating is that

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sixy:

thing is ive had the same problem, i cant remember completely but i think i just restarted the backend and re-ran mythtvsetup but not sure

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xxx:

i restarted my server like 100 times now

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stuarta:

what is is doing / not doing?

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stuarta:

is it even...

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mchou:

xxx: you need a "real" ip address instead of 127.0.0.1

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sixy:

mchou: are you 100% sure? ive had it working with 127.0.0.1 before

[09:18:21]

mchou:

myth gets flakey most times when you use 127.0.0.1

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stuarta:

horsecrap

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mchou:

sixy: just because you had it working doesnt mean it worked reliably

[09:19:04]

sixy:

hmm. fair enough, but a bit of a pity if you are on dhcp. can you use dns names in that field?

[09:19:27]

sixy:

mchou as in running stably on several different computers

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mchou:

stuarta: horsecrap yourself

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mchou:

sixy: I've been thru this circus b4 :)

[09:20:30]

mchou:

sixy: dont recall if names are allowed

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stuarta:

mchou: today it's my turn not to believe you.

[09:20:44]

mchou:

but you can give it a shot

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stuarta:

names are allowed.

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mchou:

stuarta: you dont even know the circumstances

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sixy:

stuarta – thanks. i shall remember that if i ever have issues in the future

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xoholic:

guys, still can't figure out why mythtv isn't connecting to my mythtv-backend server :S

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mchou:

stuarta: so you have no basis for your statements

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stuarta:

why would myth behave any differently talking to 127.0.0.1 or any other address?

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mchou:

stuarta: lol

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** stuarta fails to see the problem **

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mchou:

stuarta: if you are omnipotent why would you need to ask?

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sixy:

xoholic – try running mythtvsetup again, making sure you are running it as the user you intend to run mythtv under, and check folder permissions on all relevant folders

[09:24:11]

stuarta:

never said anything about being omnipotent...

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mchou:

stuarta: just because you've never encountered that failure mode does not mean it doesnt happen

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xoholic:

how would i check if mythtvbacked is actually running or not

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mchou:

xoholic: pgrep

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sixy:

do this:/sbin/chkconfig mythbackend on

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sixy:

and /sbin/service mythbackend start

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sixy:

first makes it stat on boot, second starts it now

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MarshallWalker:

Morning/Evening, etc... all

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xoholic:

i think my mythtvbackend server isn't running properly.. cuz i can't find anything in hte process list but when the service starts.. it doesn't show any error message

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mchou:

xoholic: then you need to consult the mythbackend logs

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xoholic:

mchou: where do i find them ?

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** hashbang runs his Myth FE/BE on a single machine, using loopback, and it stays up for weeks/months at a time. **

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mchou:

xoholic: or just start it manually in a console

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mchou:

hashbang: just because the kernel is up wks or months doesnt mean there are no bugs

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mchou:

hashbang: same applies to myth or any other SW

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sixy:

mchou i think has an isolated problem. which is fine, as long as he doesnt try to portray it as a general issue.....

[09:31:27]

mchou:

sixy: I never said it was a general issue

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mchou:

for all I know it could have been fixed by now

[09:32:06]

mchou:

but I know it was an issue at least one point in time

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sixy:

[10:18] <stuarta> horsecrap

[09:32:09]

sixy:

[10:18] <mchou> sixy: just because you had it working doesnt mean it worked reliably

[09:32:09]

sixy:

[10:18] <sixy> hmm. fair enough, but a bit of a pity if you are on dhcp. can you use dns names in that field?

[09:32:09]

sixy:

[10:19] <sixy> mchou as in running stably on several different computers

[09:32:09]

sixy:

[10:19] <mchou> stuarta: horsecrap yourself

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sixy:

whoops sorry

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sixy:

wrong button

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** stuarta is just glad someone else agrees with him. **

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MarshallWalker:

tveeprom 2–0050: tuner model is TCL M2523_5N_E (idx 112, type 4) I have theis type of tuner on my PVR-150. Anyone had any luck getting it to work?

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sixy:

<mchou> myth gets flakey most times when you use 127.0.0.1 – thats what you said.

[09:33:08]

mchou:

stuarta: here, I can even reproduce it right now

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stuarta:

so what does it do that's odd?

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sixy:

'gets flaky most times' implies its not an isolated issue, which it clearly is

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stuarta:

'gets flaky most times' does not say anything about the problem.

[09:34:34]

stuarta:

cause <x> to crash / die unexpectedly does...

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xoholic:

can mythtv play analog tv ?

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sixy:

yes

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Merlin83b:

xoholic: Yes, you just ned an appropriate capture card.

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xoholic:

Merlin83b: i have one, tvtime is working correctly, but mythtv cannot play... i can't even scan the channels.. cuz it says "cannot open card"

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Merlin83b:

Is something else using the card while you're running mythtv?

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xoholic:

Merlin83b: nope

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mchou:

stuarta: 2006-06–23 02:35:36.222 Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION:

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hashbang:

mchou: if you can reproduce the issue, presumably you've submitted logs and strace output to the myth trac

[09:39:01]

mchou:

stuarta: that's with 127.0.0.1

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mchou:

stuarta: with a real ip addr there is no issue

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stuarta:

and doing what? just trying to start the frontend?

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mchou:

I put extended log in pastebin but pastebin is not being cooperative right now

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mchou:

stuarta, hashbang: just goes to show there are ppl who test sw more thoroughly than you :)

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stuarta:

mchou: can you tell me what operation you are trying to do where the behaviour differs?

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mchou:

stuarta: why?

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stuarta:

well if you want somebody to reproduce the error you have to let us know how you do it?

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stuarta:

all you've said so far is if I change the IP to 127.0.0.1 you get a MYTH_PROTO error..

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mchou:

sure. what's the mystery?

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mchou:

in mythtv-setup, where you specify backend addr, enter 127.0.0.1

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stuarta:

yep, and I'd assume start the be

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mchou:

sure, you need a restart of BE

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hashbang:

mchou: grep 127.0.0.1 /etc/hosts

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stuarta:

and maybe the fe

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mchou:

hashbang: my /etc/hosts is correct

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hashbang:

# grep 127.0.0.1 /etc/hosts

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hashbang:

127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost

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mchou:

stuarta: fe is a don't care (as long as it's pointed to mysql server)

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stuarta:

mchou: so it's just starting the backend that causes it?

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** hashbang notices that he uses 'localhost' rather than 127.0.0.1, but that means that if there is a problem, it's name resolution-related. **

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

stuarta: no, you try to connect from fe to be via localhost

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stuarta:

mchou: I can only gather information atm. I'm not near my myth box....

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stuarta:

so I'm trying to understand the situation, so I can test it tomorrow.

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mchou:

hashbang: of couse you now how to verify if there is indeed a name resolution problem

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mchou:

hashbang: like by using dig :)

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hashbang:

mchou: dig only uses DNS

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hashbang:

mchou: that's why I'd like to see your 127.0.0.1 line in /etc/hosts

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mchou:

lol

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stuarta:

mchou: okay, now I now what to test :

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stuarta:

:)

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b8zs:

after I run mythtv-setup on my master backend, do I need to also run mythtv-setup on my frontend machine?

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mchou:

b8zs: nah, you only need run mythtv-setup on backends (i.e. boxen with tv sources or cards)

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b8zs:

so all i need to run on the frontend is mythfrontend?

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b8zs:

and if so, how does it know what machine to connect to

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mchou:

cause it will prompt you :)

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mchou:

the first time, that is

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mchou:

all subsequent times it wont prompt

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b8zs:

aaah ok

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** b8zs runs out to run 'mythfrontend' on his xbox **

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speedsix:

hi all

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Zambezi:

What are the MySQL-server used tor the MythTV? I thinking about the security and what I should allow the MySQL to access internet.

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null:

Is it somehow possible to wake up a system with a remote from standby (aka s3)?

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mchou:

haha, this is rich: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5505861

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jharrisonwk:

greetings

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jharrisonwk:

I have digital cable. The signal is encrypted. If I got the super duper linux tv card that has dual tuners and I use the IR blaster my thinking is that it would be impossible to record on one channel and watch another channel which would make having a dual tuner card meaningless

[12:27:17]

jharrisonwk:

am I correct in my thinking?

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mchou:

jharrisonwk: huh??

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mchou:

jharrisonwk: you're making no sense

[12:28:23]

jharrisonwk:

what does not make sense?

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mchou:

jharrisonwk: why dont you tell us which uber card you got

[12:28:41]

jharrisonwk:

:)

[12:28:45]

jharrisonwk:

the pvr-500

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jharrisonwk:

havent got it yet

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mchou:

and what does being encrypted have to do with this?

[12:29:28]

mchou:

jharrisonwk: where you live?

[12:29:34]

jharrisonwk:

well because my digital cable signal is encrypted I need the cable companies cable box they gave me to decrypt the signal

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mchou:

jharrisonwk: NYC?

[12:29:42]

jharrisonwk:

at least thats what I thought

[12:29:45]

jharrisonwk:

no I live in the bahamas

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mchou:

jharrisonwk: heh, cushy

[12:30:04]

jharrisonwk:

about 3 or 4 thousand miles south of NYC

[12:30:09]

jharrisonwk:

:-P

[12:30:43]

mchou:

jharrisonwk: I only asked about NYC b/c that's one of the few places in US cable is encrypted

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retro_neo:

I think I'll buy a barebone miniPC to create a linux-based media center, has anyone had any previous experiences and can give me recommendations?

[12:33:35]

retro_neo:

would it work with a intel-base Mac mini ?

[12:33:37]

jharrisonwk:

mchou: is my thinking correct though?

[12:33:49]

jharrisonwk:

retro_neo: I would think it should work on anything that runs linux

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jharrisonwk:

if I have digital cable and the signal is encrypted then I have to use the cable box to decrypt the signal for me which means I need to use the IR blaster to change channels for me which makes me think I cannot use a dual tuner card to record one channel and watch another at the same time

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mchou:

jharrisonwk: analog cable, that is

[12:36:29]

mchou:

jharrisonwk: bottom line I think you're going to need a set top box de-scambler for each input you have

[12:36:30]

mchou:

jharrisonwk: there may be other work-arounds.....

[12:36:34]

mchou:

jharrisonwk: how does the cable co deal with customers who have multiple tvs in the house?

[12:36:46]

mchou:

also if this is digital cable why dont you just record via firewire :)

[12:36:50]

jharrisonwk:

mchou: multiple set tops

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mchou:

what's the point of converting digtal->analog->digital?

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jharrisonwk:

mchou: my box does not have firewire

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mchou:

jharrisonwk: I thin my inet just crapped out......missed a whole bunch of posts

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mchou:

think*

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jharrisonwk:

mchou: the set top box would need firewire I am assuming?

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mchou:

jharrisonwk: pls back up :)

[12:38:00]

jharrisonwk:

mchou: ok I will repost

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jharrisonwk:

08:35 < jharrisonwk> if I have digital cable and the signal is encrypted then I have to use the cable box to decrypt the signal for me which means I need to use the IR blaster to change channels for me which makes me think I cannot use a dual tuner card to record one channel and watch another at the same time

[12:38:20]

mchou:

jharrisonwk: how does the cable co deal with customers who have multiple tvs in the house?

[12:38:32]

jharrisonwk:

mchou: they make you get multiple set top boxes

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jharrisonwk:

mchou: one for each tv

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mchou:

jharrisonwk: so there is no reason why you cant do that, correct?

[12:39:03]

jharrisonwk:

mchou: do what?

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mchou:

get multiple STBS

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jharrisonwk:

mchou: why would I do that when I have one already?

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mchou:

cause you want to watch one and record on another

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jharrisonwk:

oh

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mchou:

or record on both at the same time, different programs

[12:40:42]

jharrisonwk:

mchou: the cable company has 2 set top boxes they offer

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jharrisonwk:

mchou: one is $150 US and the other is $999.99 US

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jharrisonwk:

mchou: both options are not for me at this time

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mchou:

jharrisonwk: so you have to pay for additional STB?

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jharrisonwk:

mchou: you have to pay for every set top box

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jharrisonwk:

mchou: even if it is your first

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mchou:

screw the bahamas!

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jharrisonwk:

mchou: I got my digital set top box for 99 though cause I traded in my analog one

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jharrisonwk:

mchou: the programming is pretty good though and we have fast internet too

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iluciv:

Hi I'm running knoppmyth just wondering if anyone knows if mythweather is installed by default and anyway to tell if it is I've tried mythweather --debug but computer says no :)

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jharrisonwk:

mchou: thats why I was asking about the dual tuner card though

[12:42:24]

mchou:

jharrisonwk: I still think that's bullshit

[12:42:36]

jharrisonwk:

mchou: cause if it wont work I will just get the pvr-150

[12:42:41]

jharrisonwk:

mchou: yes I agree

[12:42:51]

jharrisonwk:

mchou: I dont know why they have to encrypt the signal

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mchou:

jharrisonwk: cableco only scramble signals causethey are concerned about signal theft

[12:43:04]

jharrisonwk:

mchou: I know

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jharrisonwk:

mchou: still sucks though

[12:43:15]

mchou:

and they make YOU pay for additional STBs??

[12:43:20]

jharrisonwk:

mchou: no

[12:43:27]

jharrisonwk:

mchou: they make you pay for a set top box period

[12:43:34]

jharrisonwk:

mchou: its not like you get the first one free or something

[12:43:43]

mchou:

jharrisonwk: well, that's what I mean

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mchou:

total BS

[12:43:51]

jharrisonwk:

mchou: right

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jharrisonwk:

mchou: oh and if you want cable internet you have to get basic cable tv service too

[12:44:13]

mchou:

jharrisonwk: time to move of the island mon :)

[12:44:18]

jharrisonwk:

hehe

[12:44:30]

jharrisonwk:

mchou: my only other choice is canada

[12:44:44]

mchou:

hell, canada is way better

[12:44:50]

jharrisonwk:

its too cold though

[12:44:55]

mchou:

bah

[12:44:57]

jharrisonwk:

what am I to do in the winter time

[12:45:02]

mchou:

ski

[12:45:07]

jharrisonwk:

a poor island boy like me cant handle winter

[12:45:20]

mchou:

jharrisonwk: are you black?

[12:45:23]

jharrisonwk:

mchou: no

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mchou:

they you got nothing to worry about :)

[12:45:41]

jharrisonwk:

heh

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jharrisonwk:

mchou: I am sure there is some black in me somewhere though

[12:46:03]

mchou:

whiteys dont get frostbite :)

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jharrisonwk:

hehe

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jharrisonwk:

I would need a linux job

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mchou:

jharrisonwk: but seriously, you are screwed

[12:46:42]

jharrisonwk:

im not touching a windows box if I can help it

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mchou:

dual tuner is useless for you

[12:46:53]

jharrisonwk:

mchou: right thats what I thought

[12:47:01]

jharrisonwk:

mchou: but a single tuner card would be ok

[12:47:08]

mchou:

yeah

[12:47:18]

mchou:

but then you cant use regular TV

[12:47:19]

jharrisonwk:

mchou: but then I can only watch and record one channel at a time

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jharrisonwk:

mchou: so if you record you cannot watch the same channel?

[12:47:54]

mchou:

yeah, but thenwhy record??

[12:47:56]

mchou:

:)

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jharrisonwk:

true

[12:48:15]

jharrisonwk:

maybe I stop watching tv and just watch the recorded shows?

[12:48:25]

mchou:

sure, no problem there

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jharrisonwk:

I could still pause and rewind and fast forward on a channel right?

[12:48:41]

mchou:

jharrisonwk: you need a cluster of friends :)

[12:48:56]

jharrisonwk:

mchou: a cluster?

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mchou:

with a cluster ofmythboxen

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jharrisonwk:

mchou: I have built clusters before

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mchou:

like a cluster of computers

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jharrisonwk:

mchou: not sure if you are speaking the same thing though

[12:49:24]

jharrisonwk:

mchou: yes I have built a cluster of computers before

[12:49:40]

mchou:

jharrisonwk: well, that's what I'm talking about

[12:49:43]

jharrisonwk:

mchou: it is part of my work

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jharrisonwk:

mchou: I lack the hardware at home to built clusters though

[12:50:01]

mchou:

jharrisonwk: HA or scientific computing?

[12:50:06]

jharrisonwk:

HA

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jharrisonwk:

if HA means high availability

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mchou:

jharrisonwk: I think you misunderstand me

[12:50:23]

jharrisonwk:

;)

[12:50:36]

jharrisonwk:

maybe

[12:50:40]

jharrisonwk:

what are you talking about?

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mchou:

you are not going to build a cluster "at home"

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jharrisonwk:

ok

[12:51:05]

jharrisonwk:

what will I do?

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qu0zl:

jharrisonwk, "mchou: so if you record you cannot watch the same channel?", if you mean can you watch the channel you're recording then yes you can

[12:51:19]

mchou:

you need a myth "GRID" on the island

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jharrisonwk:

mchou: I got ya

[12:51:40]

jharrisonwk:

mchou: a cluster of myth machines?

[12:51:47]

mchou:

jharrisonwk: exactly

[12:51:52]

jharrisonwk:

mchou: from friends all around the island

[12:52:02]

jharrisonwk:

mchou: is there documentation about that?

[12:52:07]

mchou:

jharrisonwk: amongst all your friends and neighbors on the island

[12:52:30]

mchou:

jharrisonwk: y you need documentation?

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jharrisonwk:

mchou: to set it up?

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mchou:

one master backend, several slave backends

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mchou:

already documented

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jharrisonwk:

where is the documenation?

[12:53:24]

jharrisonwk:

there is a URL right?

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mchou:

mythtv.org

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jharrisonwk:

ok got it

[12:53:46]

jharrisonwk:

will mythtv stream my tv over the internet?

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mchou:

jharrisonwk: it could, but I dont think that's what you meant

[12:54:40]

jharrisonwk:

mchou: no this is something else

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mchou:

anybody on the GRID can watch programming that others recorded :)

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jharrisonwk:

mchou: the ability to watch tv over the internet

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jharrisonwk:

sweet

[12:55:13]

jharrisonwk:

no one can stop us now

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mchou:

but that's not exactly "streaming" :)

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jharrisonwk:

I know

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jharrisonwk:

but close enough

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mchou:

jharrisonwk: get on it mon

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jharrisonwk:

I was thinking of building a mini-itx system for this

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mchou:

jharrisonwk: time to start recruiting

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mchou:

jharrisonwk: forget minitx

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jharrisonwk:

mchou: microatx?

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mchou:

no , by mini-itx I meant VIA EPIAs

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mchou:

headache

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jharrisonwk:

mchou: I meant newer ones that take athlon 64

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mchou:

jharrisonwk: yeah, those would be fine

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jharrisonwk:

mchou: I could build something a little bigger with microatx

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mchou:

jharrisonwk: I still think you should look into the firewire option

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jharrisonwk:

mchou: about the size of a vcr for example

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jharrisonwk:

mchou: for the firewire option I need a set top box with firewire right?

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mchou:

see how much a firewire STB is

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mchou:

jharrisonwk: is HDTV on the island?

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jharrisonwk:

mchou: yes

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jharrisonwk:

mchou: if I got a firewire stb would I still need a tuner card? or just a firewire port on the system?

[12:59:02]

mchou:

jharrisonwk: does the island get tivos?

[12:59:12]

jharrisonwk:

mchou: no some motorola box

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jharrisonwk:

mchou: its the one for $999.99

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mchou:

jharrisonwk: if you get firewire there is no need for pvr-150s

[12:59:35]

jharrisonwk:

mchou: its a nice box but linux+mythtv can do way more

[12:59:42]

jharrisonwk:

mchou: thats what I thought

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qu0zl:

how are you planning on watching stuff recorded on a remote mythtv box?

[12:59:51]

jharrisonwk:

mchou: unfortunately there is no such box yet

[12:59:54]

jharrisonwk:

mchou: there are only the two

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jharrisonwk:

mchou: the one for 150 and the one for 999.99

[13:00:12]

jharrisonwk:

mchou: the one for 999.99 has firewire and everything else you need

[13:00:16]

mchou:

are the denominations in US?

[13:00:24]

qu0zl:

this 'GRID' is going to consist of you and friends jharrisonwk ?

[13:00:25]

jharrisonwk:

mchou: yes

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qu0zl:

you're going to need seriously good upload speeds on peoples connections if so

[13:01:01]

mchou:

qu0zl: why?

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jharrisonwk:

qu0zl: the best available here right now is 4mbit down and 1mbit up

[13:01:22]

qu0zl:

are you going to be playing remotely recorded programs? if so that'd be why

[13:01:29]

jharrisonwk:

mchou: the 150 box has rca and rf outputs only

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mchou:

jharrisonwk: oops, that sux

[13:01:44]

mchou:

jharrisonwk: grid wont work for ya

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mchou:

qu0zl: in the US it would work fine

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qu0zl:

most US broadband connections are pretty shite upload speed too

[13:02:16]

jharrisonwk:

who gets more then 1mbit up?

[13:02:16]

mchou:

qu0zl: bitrate of SDTV is low

[13:02:26]

jharrisonwk:

even in the us that has to be rare

[13:02:40]

jharrisonwk:

I know some get more then 1mbit up but its not everywhere thats like that

[13:02:53]

jharrisonwk:

most people get 768 or 1mbit up right?

[13:02:58]

qu0zl:

it's 4.5mbit average i think for m y sdtv, though that could be lowered of course

[13:03:12]

qu0zl:

sending even sdtv over home net connections is not easy

[13:03:21]

mchou:

qu0zl: lol

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jharrisonwk:

I can stream a movie over the internet pretty well with vlc

[13:03:32]

mchou:

qu0zl: what are you smoking

[13:03:34]

qu0zl:

jharrisonwk, i use epia's by the way. i love them. mchou is right about them being hassle

[13:03:37]

jharrisonwk:

or stream from a capture card

[13:03:46]

jharrisonwk:

but thats only with one client watching on the other end

[13:03:48]

jharrisonwk:

not multiple

[13:03:54]

qu0zl:

i use vlc for media streaming as part of my job

[13:04:01]

jharrisonwk:

sweet

[13:04:02]

qu0zl:

mythtranscode will transcode it down for you

[13:04:21]

jharrisonwk:

it would be so nice to watch world cup at the office

[13:04:22]

qu0zl:

but just playing mpeg3 recorded straiught by mythtv over a normal home connect will be harsh i would have thought

[13:04:29]

mchou:

who wants to mess with transcoding

[13:04:34]

jharrisonwk:

if only I had a capture card what nice things vlc could do for me

[13:04:35]

Beirdo:

mpeg3?

[13:04:35]

qu0zl:

the upload is the problem not the download

[13:04:47]

qu0zl:

exactly mchou, hence why i don't think it'd work this grid idea

[13:05:01]

qu0zl:

i just wanted to point out possible problems before he shells out money on hardware

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jharrisonwk:

I think I will ask the cable company if I can get a box with firewire and if they will program it to work on their system

[13:05:22]

qu0zl:

jharrisonwk, mythtv can transcode after you record to mpeg2. mythstream can even use vlc for it, though i've not used mythstrea,

[13:05:33]

mchou:

qu0zl: dude, I only mentioned grid cause I thought the island had good upstream

[13:05:42]

qu0zl:

aye, but you didn't ask

[13:05:44]

qu0zl:

so i did

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qu0zl:

that's all

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jharrisonwk:

look it would be possible to host something in the data centre on gigabit fibre

[13:06:24]

qu0zl:

that would work nicely jharrisonwk

[13:06:24]

jharrisonwk:

but I dont think the cable company would be happy about it

[13:06:29]

qu0zl:

that's my pie in the sky dream

[13:06:29]

jharrisonwk:

:-P

[13:06:38]

jharrisonwk:

hehe

[13:06:50]

mchou:

jharrisonwk: your cableco is screwing everyone on the island

[13:06:52]

qu0zl:

well, if you did that you could share the cost with a few friends and have multiple stbs in there. that's my dream setup :)

[13:06:59]

jharrisonwk:

mchou: and they have a monopoly too

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GreyFoxx:

What island is that ?

[13:07:21]

qu0zl:

UK

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qu0zl:

;)

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jharrisonwk:

qu0zl: right but the cable company I think would still not like their content being on the internet

[13:07:35]

qu0zl:

doubtlessly :)

[13:07:44]

jharrisonwk:

qu0zl: and its their data centre too

[13:07:54]

mchou:

jharrisonwk: yeah, but it's only available to subscribers :)

[13:07:55]

qu0zl:

yeah doesn't sound like you could get away with that

[13:08:07]

jharrisonwk:

mchou: sure it is

[13:08:08]

jharrisonwk:

:-P

[13:08:15]

jharrisonwk:

qu0zl: and its also where I work

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qu0zl:

jharrisonwk, we're getting a quad satellite feed into our comms centre in work. it outputs mpeg2

[13:08:23]

jharrisonwk:

and I get to work with debian all day long

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qu0zl:

thats where iwant to put my mythtv box :)

[13:08:32]

jharrisonwk:

so I dont think I want to mess with that

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jharrisonwk:

qu0zl: sweet

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qu0zl:

heh nah, same problem. i don't think they'd like me using their bandwidth to serve it out

[13:09:08]

jharrisonwk:

to stream world cup to the office would be very nice

[13:09:29]

qu0zl:

bbc.co.uk offer streams, but limited to uk residents. Perhaps someone there could proxy it for you?

[13:09:33]

jharrisonwk:

so if I got a box with firewire it would fix my problems right?

[13:09:43]

jharrisonwk:

qu0zl: I dont know anyone in the UK

[13:09:50]

jharrisonwk:

qu0zl: I did think of that though

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qu0zl:

you'd still only get one channel i think. i've no stb experience

[13:10:12]

jharrisonwk:

hhmmm

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qu0zl:

someone here should know better, or the mailing list if nobody bites

[13:10:32]

jharrisonwk:

mchou: if I got a box with firewire would that fix all my problems with the dual tuner etc...?

[13:10:41]

mchou:

jharrisonwk: nope

[13:10:51]

jharrisonwk:

crap

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mchou:

one STB means one proggie at one time

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jharrisonwk:

thats true

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jharrisonwk:

the only way would be to have the cable feed connected to the capture device right?

[13:11:42]

jharrisonwk:

you know I like digital but there are somethings I really miss about analog

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qu0zl:

Beirdo, lol i was wondering why you mentioned mpeg3. I meant mpeg2 :) using a natural keyboard for rsi and it makes me type retardedly :)

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Beirdo:

hehe, gotcha

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** Beirdo listens to the 80s music channel off digital cable **

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jharrisonwk:

are there any tv tuner cards that can decrypt the signal?

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Beirdo:

not that I'm aware of

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jharrisonwk:

how does the encryption work?

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jharrisonwk:

I would think the cable company programs the box with keys etc... needed to decrypt the signal?

[13:20:56]

Beirdo:

I would expect so, yes

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mchou:

jharrisonwk: they dont use cablecard?

[13:21:14]

jharrisonwk:

mchou: maybe but I have never opened the box to see

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Beirdo:

go on, void your warranty :)

[13:22:06]

mchou:

it's ridiculous

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jharrisonwk:

if I was able to extract the keys or cable card would I be able to input them into a capture device?

[13:22:21]

mchou:

jharrisonwk: doubtful

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mchou:

they keys expire like every few minutes or so

[13:22:44]

jharrisonwk:

if I was able to get someone in the cable company to program my capture device how would that be?

[13:22:52]

jharrisonwk:

oh

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GreyFoxx:

jharrisonwk: No consumer capture card would support decrypting the signal, you'd have to do it in software

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retro_neo:

I'm trying to build a media-center, I'm currently considering a mac mini (running linux) or building it myself (354,00 ? : Mini PC Aopen XC Cube MZ915-M / 261,40 ? : INTEL Core Duo L2300 1.50Ghz / 98,00 ? : Seagate 300Go 7200 RPM S-ATA (Barracuda 7200.8) / 81,90 ? : DDR PC3200 (400mhz) 1024Mo) the second options costs 800 euros, more than a mini, but maybe I can find how to lower that price?

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jharrisonwk:

is there software that could do it?

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GreyFoxx:

jharrisonwk: None I've ever heard of for cable

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jharrisonwk:

does directtv dishes encrypt the signal?

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Beirdo:

if there was, we certainly couldn't talk about it here

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GreyFoxx:

Certainly

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jharrisonwk:

directtv/dish networks etc...?

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jharrisonwk:

true

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Beirdo:

yes, they do

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GreyFoxx:

dishnet uses nagravision 2, not sure what directv uses, but it is encrypted :)

[13:25:08]

mchou:

welcome to the world of DRM

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jharrisonwk:

so basically its not uncommon for people such as myself to be locked into using the box the provider provides

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Beirdo:

correct, jharrisonwk

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GreyFoxx:

jharrisonwk: Correct

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jharrisonwk:

thats wonderful

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Beirdo:

that reminds me, need to bug the wife to pick up another cable box from Liberty

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jharrisonwk:

so what do you guys do for your mythtv stuff?

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jharrisonwk:

or do you all have analog still

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Beirdo:

GreyFoxx, Liberty Cablevision blows so bad sometimes :) Incompetent fools

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Beirdo:

I had analog until I moved

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mchou:

jharrisonwk: we have firewire STBs

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Beirdo:

can't get analog here

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GreyFoxx:

Beirdo: I know, had to deal with them remotely for years :)

[13:26:38]

jharrisonwk:

mchou: but you said that you still cannot watch one channel and record another

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Beirdo:

and the cable company don't know squat about firewire

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GreyFoxx:

jharrisonwk: I use FTA DVB-S for acouple channels, and several analog tuners

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mchou:

jharrisonwk: and we dont need to pay $999 for themm either

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GreyFoxx:

at the end of the summer I'm adding some OTA HDTV as well

[13:26:58]

Beirdo:

GreyFoxx, yeah, I seemed to remember that, but damn do they suck in person

[13:27:25]

Beirdo:

any time we get a nice thunderstorm, the TV signal buggers up, and sometimes the cable modem too

[13:27:29]

mchou:

jharrisonwk: I pay $5/mo for 1st STB, $10 additional

[13:27:53]

GreyFoxx:

Beirdo: They don't have a working generator at their Headend, When power goes out ALL of the systems go down, usually causing disk corruption :)

[13:27:54]

jharrisonwk:

mchou: so you have two stb and you have them both connected to your mythtv?

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Beirdo:

In a little while, I'm gonna try to convince my better half to get Dish

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mchou:

yup

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Beirdo:

yeah, sounds right, GreyFoxx

[13:28:14]

Beirdo:

and their cable plant SUCKS

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jharrisonwk:

mchou: and you have two cable lines to your room where the stbs are?

[13:28:30]

Beirdo:

the cable in my inlaws' neighborhood is abysmal

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mchou:

jharrisonwk: splitter/amp

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Beirdo:

if it rains, the water gets in the cable, and they get signal rot

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mchou:

heh

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Beirdo:

it's great in a place where it rains nearly daily

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jharrisonwk:

mchou: so I could go get a spliter and then get another box and do what I want

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jharrisonwk:

mchou: but then I would need two capture cards right?

[13:29:16]

Beirdo:

our neighborhood doesn't have that problem, thankfully

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mchou:

jharrisonwk: yup

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jharrisonwk:

mchou: unless I get firewire

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mchou:

pvr500 is 2 capture cards :)

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jharrisonwk:

mchou: it has 2 inputs?

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mchou:

it has internal splitter

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jharrisonwk:

mchou: wait it has an addon doesnt it

[13:30:10]

jharrisonwk:

right ok

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Beirdo:

ack!

[13:30:32]

Beirdo:

I was just tempted to put a goto in C code

[13:30:33]

Beirdo:

heh

[13:31:07]

Beirdo:

that's just evil

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mchou:

Beirdo: Beats doing it in C++ :)

[13:31:27]

Beirdo:

working on the rssfeed plugin for the bot

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

it's ALMOST done

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jharrisonwk:

Beirdo: Linus is not against them however I try to avoid as well

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Beirdo:

I put them only when REALLY necessary

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marc-:

hi

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jharrisonwk:

true

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Beirdo:

sometimes they make the code a LOT cleaner, but gotos are evil in general

[13:32:36]

jharrisonwk:

yes I have read and heard that

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Beirdo:

and in this case, some logic reworking will fix it

[13:32:45]

marc-:

aussies?

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Beirdo:

not me, but welcome, marc-

[13:33:05]

Beirdo:

I'm a Canadian in Puerto Rico

[13:33:09]

Beirdo:

close enough?

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marc-:

i'm having trouble with tv_grab_au, if you're using it, yes :)

[13:33:37]

Beirdo:

heh, sorry, can't really help there with specific help

[13:34:01]

Beirdo:

Oooh, Jungle Love...

[13:34:06]

Beirdo:

heh. 80s music rules

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jharrisonwk:

heh

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mchou:

jharrisonwk: how does cable co control access to specific channels/packages?

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mchou:

jharrisonwk: like premium channels.....

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kayelem:

...a UK ex Pace s/w engineer surfaces...

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jharrisonwk:

mchou: I dont know

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kayelem:

mchou, the boxes I worked on had a smartcard in.

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jharrisonwk:

mchou: you call them and say you want a new package and they turn it on

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jharrisonwk:

mchou: I dont know if that means they send a signal to the box or change something on the account or what

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kayelem:

mchou, and the cableco could activate/deactivate individual boxes from their end

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jharrisonwk:

mchou: on the analog system they would send a signal to the box

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kayelem:

This was on ntl digital cable.

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mchou:

jharrisonwk: yeah, no doubt

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jharrisonwk:

mchou: you could call them and say turn on everything and then call a few days later and tell them to turn it off and unplug your box and wait a while they plug your box back in and still get everything because the box did not receive the signal

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jharrisonwk:

mchou: but of course thats not honest so I dont do that

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mchou:

jharrisonwk: hehe

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jharrisonwk:

mchou: but it worked is my point

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jharrisonwk:

mchou: but with these new digital boxes I dont know much about how they work

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kayelem:

It was done with decryption code that we at Pace didn't have access to as well.

[13:40:52]

jharrisonwk:

mchou: I just know that they are motorola boxes and we only have 2 types offered right now

[13:41:07]

jharrisonwk:

mchou: and only the expensive pvr one has every connection type known to man

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kayelem:

iirc it came as a binary from nagravision, or something

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marc-:

iluciv, Agrajag ?

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kayelem:

fwiw, I'm also in the UK; decided cable would be a PITA and have a pair of Freeview DVB-T cards in my Myth box. But, i'm not all that interested in any of the pay-for channels.

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Beirdo:

oooh

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kayelem:

In UK, we do at least get a choice of analogue and digital terrestrial, satellite and cable. For a MythTV setup, digital terrestrial and digital satellite look like the best options.

[13:45:18]

Beirdo:

was Crowded House an aussie band?

[13:45:45]

qu0zl:

yep Beirdo

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Beirdo:

.AU++

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Beirdo:

I thought so

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Beirdo:

they have to be one my faves from the 80s

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qu0zl:

by knowing that fact I am not in any way endorsing their music ;)

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kayelem:

jharrisonwk, it would seem, from a bit of reading, that decoding encrypted DVB-S channels is working with MythTV, so the lateral-thinking approach to your problem is to switch from cable to satellite and shove several DVB-S cards in the PC.

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GreyFoxx:

Though be warned that it is 100% not supported in here, and asking about it will get you kicked

[14:07:07]

kayelem:

GreyFoxx, this is legally, using a smartcard you paid for and a DVB-S card with a CAM.

[14:07:37]

GreyFoxx:

Ok, if you can do it using a HArdware cam fine, but any talk of Softcams is a no no :)

[14:07:57]

GreyFoxx:

Most people asking want to do it via softcams :)

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kayelem:

yup, understood. I'm on about using the Hauppauge cards which support a hardware CAM.

[14:10:42]

kayelem:

I'm thinking about it, DVB-T is lower bandwidth than DVB-S in the UK and doesn't carry as many channels. Ther eare a few pay-for channels carried on DVB-S that I'd be interested in. So I've done some reading on how to do it "properly" with hardware CAM and actually *paying* for the channels... :)

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** GreyFoxx wonders if there is an hex string to integer equivalent of atoi.... hrm **

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Beirdo:

there is

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mjmac:

if i want to clean up my myth database to remove dangling program pointers (i.e. db entries for shows with missing video files), is it sufficient to nuke the corresponding records in recorded and recordedprograms, or are there other tables involved?

[14:12:37]

Beirdo:

now if only I remembered how

[14:12:46]

GreyFoxx:

Beirdo: Ideally I was hopping that passing either "184" or "0xb8" to atoi would do it.

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Beirdo:

ahhh

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Beirdo:

man strtol

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GreyFoxx:

Nice

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GreyFoxx:

danke

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Beirdo:

no prob

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Beirdo:

that's what atoi uses according to its manpage

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Beirdo:

I knew I'd done it before, just took a moment to remember how

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Beirdo:

just coding the "rssfeed show" code right now, just used atoi :)

[14:14:09]

Beirdo:

heh

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kayelem:

damn, I can fast-forward TV now; but the remote still doesn't work on the world...

[14:15:28]

kayelem:

I hate the tension of waiting for eBay auctions to end

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qu0zl:

you can't fast forward the world kayelem but you can get a similar effect by knocking yourself out for controlled periods

[14:16:37]

qu0zl:

it'll appear just as if the world is fast forwarding to you

[14:16:52]

qu0zl:

i have patented the technique though

[14:17:10]

kayelem:

qu0zl, ah, I could try that. Possibly vodka would suffice.

[14:17:31]

qu0zl:

that could lead to ill-advised ebay bids though ;)

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kayelem:

heh

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jharrisonwk:

what is a softcam?

[14:51:25]

gardengnome:

kayelem: jdidwatcher? ;)

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kayelem:

jharrisonwk, something that'll get you kicked if you discuss it in here...

[14:53:03]

gardengnome:

kayelem: err, i meant jbidwatcher

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kayelem:

gardengnome, I actually use esnipe, but I still get all tense waiting to see if my bid wins.

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gardengnome:

hehe. i was bidding on gps mouse today. my bid didn't win :/

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kayelem:

gardengnome, I'm trying to score one of those msntv2 thingies. My challenge to myself: MythTV front-end and 405-line from one :)

[14:54:32]

gardengnome:

kayelem: why not an s100?

[14:55:15]

kayelem:

gardengnome, can you point me at some info?

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gardengnome:

kayelem: humm. serve.mythwiki.de for some blurry pictures and http://www.zenega-user.de – it should work better than the msntv2.

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kayelem:

S100 to me means large cards with Z80 stuff on; I guess i'm showing my age ;)

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gardengnome:

kayelem: i've gotta go now, but if you need more information, i'll be glad to answer more questions in a few hours

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kayelem:

ok, cheers

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kayelem:

I do wonder if "price" may be an issue; stuff has to be fairly cheap. I also like hacking about with hardware...

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marc-:

did the aussie status change so far?

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jharrisonwk:

kayelem: I dont want to discuss it

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jharrisonwk:

kayelem: I just want to know what it is

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kayelem:

jharrisonwk, an illegal way of decrypting pay-for TV without paying for it, basically.

[15:28:49]

kayelem:

CAM == "Conditional Access Module" – add-on thing you can shove your pay-TV subscription card into, which connects to some PCI TV cards.

[15:29:06]

kayelem:

"softcam" == "software CAM"

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jharrisonwk:

kayelem: ok I understand

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Ben_13:

Hello and please be kind, new to this IRC room. Does anyone here have experience setting up mythnotify?

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GreyFoxx:

benc-: I've used it to send callerId notifications from my Asterisk machine to my main frontend

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Ben_13:

i'm having some trouble getting the cidbcast script to initialize the modem (a usr 56k external).

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GreyFoxx:

Ahhh, I've only used mythtvosd to send notifications, not actually talking directly to a modem

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Ben_13:

ah yes, you wouldn't need that with asterix would you. Thanks anyway, seems quite in here?

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GreyFoxx:

only for the moment :)

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Ben_13:

most people at work still maybe (like me...hehe but not really working to hard)

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Mattwj2005:

I got my pchdtv-5500!

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vronsky:

anybody still getting these audio buffer overflows with the stable-fixes branch? or do i just have an exceptionally shitty sound card? i'm compiling trunk right now.

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Mattwj2005:

nothing like kernel compiling in the morning!

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Mattwj2005:

:)

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Mattwj2005:

*afternoon

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Hoxzer_:

:)

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Hoxzer_:

It is 8 P.M here

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Mattwj2005:

cool cool

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Hoxzer_:

and usuallyt this time of year here in finland is thing called "juhannus"

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Mattwj2005:

yeah I got a pcHDTV-5500....now the trick is to get it to work

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Hoxzer_:

when people gather to celebrate summer

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Mattwj2005:

interesting....sounds like fun

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Mattwj2005:

what do you do to celebrate?

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Hoxzer_:

and burn everything in the bonfire

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jharrisonwk:

Mattwj2005: got that right

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Hoxzer_:

and then they drink

[17:42:50]

Hoxzer_:

but I'm a nolife

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Hoxzer_:

so I dont do It :(

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jharrisonwk:

Mattwj2005: kernel compiling is good at all times of the day

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Hoxzer_:

I stay home and whach TV serieses with mythbox

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Mattwj2005:

sorry to hear that Hoxzer

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Hoxzer_:

:D

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Mattwj2005:

sounds good!

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Mattwj2005:

yeah I agree jharrisonwk

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Mattwj2005:

I found something funny in my instructions for my pcHDTV-5500

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tuck3r:

Mattwj2005: say something if you get that card to work, as i plan to buy one. :)

[17:44:46]

Mattwj2005:

it says drivers should be built-in for my card in kernel version 2.6.18....that hasn't even been released as stable yet!

[17:44:54]

Mattwj2005:

sounds good

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tuck3r:

oh, glad to know

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Mattwj2005:

yeah the only thing is I might have to stick with SDTV until I can get some new hardware :(

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tuck3r:

it has drivers tho, right/

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Mattwj2005:

but if I can get g4 (SDTV) to work....that would mean twice as much star trek tng each week

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Mattwj2005:

:P

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Mattwj2005:

correct

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jharrisonwk:

Mattwj2005: kernel compiling on 16-way opteron is fun

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tuck3r:

g4 killed techtv :(

[17:49:04]

Mattwj2005:

geez

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jharrisonwk:

Mattwj2005: 40 seconds of fun anyways

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Mattwj2005:

are you trying to record every show on your cable?

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Mattwj2005:

yeah I agree tuck3r

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Mattwj2005:

there are a lot of good podcast from the Screensavers crew

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jharrisonwk:

whatever happened to the dark tipper?

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tuck3r:

twit, diggnation, dl.tv... etc

[17:50:24]

Mattwj2005:

exactly

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tuck3r:

diggnation and systm are keven roses poscasts jharrisonwk

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** kormoc ponders how fast a 256 vcore niagra could compile the kernel. **

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Beirdo:

heh

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Hoxzer_:

SOmebody should make an ultimate mythbox that would have like 3TB hdd and 8 HDTV cards set to record 8 channels nonstop -> and ...

[17:52:06]

Mattwj2005:

sounds great

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Mattwj2005:

:P

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kormoc:

Hoxzer_, how's that ultimate? 3tb is easy to do :)

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Hoxzer_:

so u would have like 3 days records on your comp in case u notice there was something on tv yeasterday

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Hoxzer_:

kormoc: :( it is expensive

[17:52:51]

kormoc:

yeah, but that's just a rich toy, not really anything special

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Hoxzer_:

:|

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Mattwj2005:

with that type of setup....it would pretty much have to be a backend only

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jharrisonwk:

kormoc: what hardware is that?

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jharrisonwk:

Hoxzer_: and available online?

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jharrisonwk:

Hoxzer_: tv over the internet?

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jharrisonwk:

I think I could dig that

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kormoc:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148134 <-- 4 of them is 3 tb, toss 16 onto a http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16816116035 is 12 tb on one controler :)

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kormoc:

jharrisonwk, sun's niagra platform

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jharrisonwk:

kormoc: ah ok

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kormoc:

jharrisonwk, http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20041106-4377.html

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Mattwj2005:

12 TB *drools*

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jharrisonwk:

kormoc: only sun stuff I have played with is debian and solaris on sparc64

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Hoxzer_:

jharrisonwk: yeah, ofcourse 1Gbps connection -> allowing others to acces your records

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jharrisonwk:

Hoxzer_: sweet

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Hoxzer_:

but then there would be copyright issues

[17:56:30]

kormoc:

jharrisonwk, Each Niagara CPU has eight very simple cores, and each core can run up to four threads simultaneously for a total of 32 concurrent threads.

[17:56:53]

kormoc:

jharrisonwk, and they're planing on 8 cpu systems 'soon'

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jharrisonwk:

kormoc: yeah I think I know what you are talking about now that you mention it

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jharrisonwk:

kormoc: isnt that the next generation sun cpu they just came out with a little while ago?

[17:57:21]

kormoc:

aye

[17:58:24]

jharrisonwk:

whatever happened to suns 3d desktop?

[17:58:53]

kormoc:

still being worked on

[17:58:54]

jharrisonwk:

and why arent there very many micro-atx athlon 64 am2 boards

[17:58:56]

jharrisonwk:

!

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kormoc:

if you mean looking glass

[17:59:04]

jharrisonwk:

kormoc: yeah thats it

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kormoc:

cause it's new?

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jharrisonwk:

kormoc: thats not good enough :-P

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kormoc:

heh

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jharrisonwk:

I think I will wait and build a mythtv box with a micro-atx am2 board

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jharrisonwk:

put it all in an antec minuet 300

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Hoxzer_:

I AM the one I am TH EONE

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Hoxzer_:

go to dance on the floor hit the ground

[18:04:29]

Hoxzer_:

SHe told her name was BNIllie JEAN

[18:04:33]

Hoxzer_:

;)

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Beirdo:

bot will be right back

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Beirdo:

dammit

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Hoxzer_:

:D

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Hoxzer_:

But but

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Hoxzer_:

U know I have this PArty feeling atm

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Beirdo:

that's better

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Mattwj2005:

"You know she is a little bit dangerous" :-P

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Beirdo:

I SUCK

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Mattwj2005:

what is wrong Beirdo?

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Beirdo:

found a bug in the authenticate code

[18:13:03]

Mattwj2005:

what authenticate code?

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milosz:

hey guys i want to upgrade my mythbox to do hdtve now (i got 2 pvr 250s right now) what is the best tunner to get at the moment

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xris:

milosz: OTA or digital cable?

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milosz:

digital cable

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xris:

order a high cable box and use firewire

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xris:

that should be "high def cable box"

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xris:

that way you should also get the SD channels in digital

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milosz:

okay, what if i want to get multiple channels at once?

[18:18:02]

xris:

multiple boxes

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xris:

daisy chained

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xris:

with a card like the pchdtv you will at BEST be limited only to channels you'd get over the air

[18:19:10]

xris:

granted, with the digital cable box thing, you're stuck with the monthly rental fee

[18:19:26]

xris:

but I like being able to record hbo, etc.

[18:20:09]

xris:

milosz: my suggestion would be to get one of the hd boxes and try it for a month or so to see what exactly your cable provider allows.

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xris:

beyond that, I think people these days prefer the pchdtv card

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Mattwj2005:

this is the unichrome version too

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lightx:

anyone knows if its possible in mythweb to make mythweb/includes/recording_schedules.php specify a database... ?

[20:10:31]

Krazylegz:

!trout kormoc

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** MythLogBot slaps kormoc with a trout on behalf of Krazylegz... **

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Juski:

next year? heh. I'll see how this one goes first I think

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Mattwj2005:

!blinks

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Mattwj2005:

hmm

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** kormoc tells Mattwj2005 that the key is /me blinks **

[20:12:12]

** Mattwj2005 blinks **

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** Juski wonders where his scanner is **

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Mattwj2005:

!trout Mattwj2005

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** MythLogBot slaps Mattwj2005 with a trout on behalf of Mattwj2005... **

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Mattwj2005:

any other trout like ones?

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** Juski plants an axe into Mattwj2005's head ? **

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kormoc:

/msg MythLogBot list

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** Mattwj2005 shoots Juski **

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** Juski drinks the shots in one **

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Juski:

cheers!

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kormoc:

that's an impressive shot given you have an axe in the head.

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Mattwj2005:

!dig Mattwj2005

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MythLogBot:

Mattwj2005 A: No results

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kormoc:

dig kormoc.homelinux.org

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kormoc:

!dig kormoc.homelinux.org

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MythLogBot:

kormoc.homelinux.org A: 67.183.242.70

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Mattwj2005:

!notice Mattwj2005

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MythLogBot:

This channel (#mythtv-users) is logged — http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1

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Mattwj2005:

!dig www.digg.com

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MythLogBot:

www.digg.com A: 64.191.203.30

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gardengnome:

!digg me

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gardengnome:

!dig me

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MythLogBot:

me A: No results

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lightx:

where could i get some information on mythweb about whats under the hood kinda thing?!

[20:15:57]

jharrisonwk:

lightx: the source?

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kormoc:

lightx, it's just php...

[20:16:13]

snake:

hmm..anyone have any idea why id be getting the following error when running an lirc helper(irw/irexec)?

[20:16:18]

lightx:

i know

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Juski:

just look in the files.. it's all just php & black magic

[20:16:30]

jharrisonwk:

lightx: or did you mean a site with a list of features?

[20:16:31]

snake:

Jun 23 16:12:38 berkoff lircd-0.8.1-CVS[3583]: could not get file information for /dev/lirc

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snake:

Jun 23 16:12:38 berkoff lircd-0.8.1-CVS[3583]: default_init(): No such file or directory

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lightx:

i just need help with a function

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snake:

i installed lirc according to the instructions..i have /dev/lircd but not /dev/lirc

[20:16:50]

kormoc:

lightx, which function?

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lightx:

im trying to make mythweb

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Juski:

huh?

[20:17:25]

lightx:

to be included in wordpres

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kormoc:

okay...

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lightx:

right now its complaining that the table wordpress.record doesnt exist

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lightx:

which is obvious

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kormoc:

how are you attempting to do this?

[20:22:00]

lightx:

im wondering if I can just tell mythweb/includes/recording_schedules.php to select the proper database

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kormoc:

lightx, not without making it very specific to your install, and thus making updates/bug fixes rather sucky

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lightx:

just with some include in the header.php

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kormoc:

lightx, just toss in a mysql_select_db('db_name');

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lightx:

right...

[20:22:00]

Juski:

sitting up is requiring like way too much effort now.. going to watch some mythtv

[20:22:00]

lightx:

is mythweb still being worked on ?

[20:22:00]

kormoc:

yes

[20:22:00]

lightx:

for v .19

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kormoc:

for 0.19-fixes, yes

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lightx:

hum, now its complaining about the wordpress part...

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kormoc:

of course

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kormoc:

as now you need to set it back before it returns to wordpress

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kormoc:

sadly, it's cause both mythweb and wordpress didn't explicitly set the database handle for which connection

[20:26:17]

lightx:

is this something that people have tried before with no success?

[20:26:25]

kormoc:

donno

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kormoc:

lightx, well, I just commited a fix to our internal database object that should fix your database issues, so if/when xris rolls it over into mythweb, you shouldn't have to worry about the database issues.

[20:27:52]

xris:

man, zap2it has some issues... it's categorized "my dinner with andre" as a comedy....

[20:28:29]

** xris wonders if it will be a problem that he's completely torn apart that object **

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lightx:

kormoc, ok.

[20:28:48]

kormoc:

heh, doubtful, it's just adding some , $this->dbh

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Mattwj2005:

sweet mythdora seems like it might be working! :-D

[20:30:00]

** Mattwj2005 wonders how many are going to be encrypted **

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xris:

kormoc: I'm pulling all of the objects into separate files. it's freaking out.

[20:30:42]

kormoc:

ooh, icky. Want me to de-commit it?

[20:31:21]

xris:

no

[20:31:23]

xris:

it's fine.

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kormoc:

kk

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xris:

just had to remove a gigantic conflict

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xris:

ok, now I *know* zap2it is messed up....

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xris:

I know "Heathers" was so bad it was funny, but it's definitely not comedy

[20:36:31]

xris:

then again, maybe I'm wrong. imdb says it's part comedy

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Mattwj2005:

when I scan for channels I get a lot of errors no signal and no table

[20:40:45]

Mattwj2005:

?

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Mattwj2005:

what does no table mean?

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kormoc:

it means there's no table

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Mattwj2005:

what is a table?

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melunko:

Hi, anyone tried mythtv in Brazil?

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Esotericisms:

evening

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melunko:

Hi, anyone with ringbuf1.nuv not found problem?

[20:59:52]

gardengnome:

melunko: sounds like you're using an old version of mythtv, i'd suggest that you upgrade to 0.10

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gardengnome:

err, 0.19

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nero:

mythtv 0.10 rocked..

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melunko:

good, thanks

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Mattwj2005:

well mythdora doesn't work....I don't even have root priviledges

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Mattwj2005:

:(

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Mattwj2005:

I am going to Knoppmyth again....I am going to try and set it up definitely and see what happens

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Mattwj2005:

if I don't even have administrative access on my computer why would I even use the software?

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Beirdo:

huh?

[21:19:02]

Beirdo:

you using Windows again?

[21:19:06]

Mattwj2005:

lol

[21:19:12]

gardengnome:

man sudo

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Mattwj2005:

I don't have sudo access either

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gardengnome:

ouch

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Beirdo:

WTF?

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Mattwj2005:

this darn Mythdora doesn't give you any priviledges

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Mattwj2005:

back to Knoppmyth

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Mattwj2005:

I think before I was setting up Knoppmyth incorrectly

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smokey:

my myth box keep recording live tv, and saving it for a full day.. i only want to keep like an hour of past live tv recording.. i cant seem to lower the amount of days to keep live recordings lower than 1 day.. can anyone point me in the right direction?

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kormoc:

smokey, you can't in 0.19 as far as I know

[21:32:01]

smokey:

that sucks.. why the eff would they make it like that.. when i dont delete live tv sessions, it eats up like 100gb+.. its really annoying

[21:32:10]

kormoc:

it auto-expires first

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smokey:

yeah, it auto-expires after 24 hours

[21:32:29]

smokey:

at a minimum

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kormoc:

so if you run out of room (or get to the point that you say auto-expire at) they get expired first

[21:33:12]

smokey:

can i set it to auto-expire after being recorded for like an hour?

[21:33:34]

kormoc:

you should check out the auto expire settings, under mythtv-setup

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kormoc:

it will tell you what you can/can't do

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smokey:

ok, thanks dude

[21:35:17]

kormoc:

your welcome

[21:36:09]

Juski:

heh. for every person who complained mythtv lost livetv recordings...

[21:36:36]

Juski:

we win some, they lose some. que sera

[21:37:37]

smokey:

Juski, yeah, but it doesnt seem very efficent to save a full day worth of live tv that i have wated

[21:37:40]

smokey:

er watched

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smokey:

escecially.. since.. why would i even want to watch it again

[21:38:33]

Juski:

some would argue (like me) that it's not efficient to watch live tv at all

[21:38:51]

smokey:

i agree

[21:39:04]

smokey:

but sometimes i like to just kick it, and flip channels

[21:39:39]

Juski:

I did that tonight actually. ended up catching half of a new south park episode I've never seen

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Juski:

:-/

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smokey:

i setup a mythtv system like 2 years ago.. and it let me keep as little as an hour of live tv.. which was perfectly sufficent

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Juski:

well, the code is there for all & sundry to mess with

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smokey:

yeah.. but i just want to use the software, and complain about it.. not actually code it myself

[21:41:08]

Juski:

lol.. your perogative I suppose

[21:41:19]

smokey:

at least i am honest

[21:41:53]

Juski:

I'm not 100% happy with the UI going to opengl, but I can't code so there's fuck all I can do about it :-)

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xris:

Juski: it's optional opengl...

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** kayelem grumbles about eBay vendors who won't ship to UK cheaply.... **

[21:48:42]

kayelem:

I'm *not* paying $58.50 shipping for an msntv2...

[21:48:54]

Juski:

xris: yeh maybe I got a bit ahead of myself yesterday.. god, yesterday was a whole different planet to the one I'm on now

[21:49:58]

xris:

heh

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Juski:

kayelem: maybe the s100 is for you after all then. they're pretty neat

[21:51:11]

Juski:

though getting non-standard resolutions out of the IEGD driver could be erm.. fun on a stick

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kayelem:

Juski, I'll still try for an msntv2... with sane shipping i could get one for <$50 which is < 27ukp. s100 looks possibly more.

[21:52:06]

Juski:

yeh the price has sky rocketed lately

[21:52:15]

gardengnome:

sad :/

[21:52:32]

Juski:

the crazy haxx0r5

[21:52:35]

kayelem:

Juski, another problem; rather remiss of me, I know... I don't read German all that well and can't find much on the s100 in English...

[21:52:46]

Juski:

kayelem: just ask me

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Juski:

I'm the UK's leading authority on the s100 boxen....

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gardengnome:

show-off.

[21:53:12]

gardengnome:

;)

[21:53:16]

Juski:

possibly because I'm most likely the only one :-P

[21:53:37]

kayelem:

Juski, I'll certainly think about it – nothing rules out me getting an s100 *and* an msntv2...

[21:53:43]

roger55:

Juski, hah just who I needed.

[21:53:46]

kayelem:

I like having hardware to hack :)

[21:53:57]

roger55:

Juski, how's your s100 adventure going?

[21:54:07]

Juski:

here we go.. ProjectGrayhem complaints central again?

[21:54:39]

Juski:

roger55: it's gone. all works bar DRI which I ain't bothered about in the least yet

[21:54:56]

roger55:

Juski, gone? meaning you sold it?

[21:55:19]

Juski:

gone, as in I've got it mounting an nfsroot & running mythfrontend

[21:56:19]

roger55:

did you go with that gentoo beta thing from some forum or zenslack?

[21:56:37]

Juski:

remapped the X keyboard layout to make the remote work properly, because some cagey people won't point me to the source of zenegalircd :-/

[21:56:52]

Juski:

roger55: tried zenslack for all of about 5 minutes

[21:57:23]

Juski:

went "yep it works".. then got down to doing a proper install

[21:57:39]

roger55:

Juski, you'd think it would work as a backend with a dvb-s card?

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Juski:

not very much different to a regular PC as it turns out

[21:57:54]

Juski:

roger55: 128MB might be limiting in that respect

[21:58:12]

Juski:

but if you host the mysql server somewhere else.. who knows

[21:58:20]

** roger55 will try **

[21:58:30]

roger55:

I'm getting mine on monday probably.

[21:58:36]

gardengnome:

roger55: people say that the PSU is too weak to support a DVB-S card

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gardengnome:

i wonder if you could use the minipci and the pci slot simultaneously

[21:59:08]

Juski:

heh. who's brave enough to try that one out?

[21:59:26]

roger55:

Juski, does the wireless work ok?

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Juski:

not me, that's fer sure

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roger55:

what chip is in there?

[21:59:39]

Juski:

roger55: no idea. I spit on wireless

[21:59:48]

Juski:

celeron 733M

[21:59:56]

Juski:

M == mobile

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roger55:

meant the wireless chip

[22:00:06]

Juski:

dung ding dung ding!

[22:00:18]

Juski:

(obligatory jingle – sorry)

[22:00:36]

** roger55 holds the line **

[22:00:38]

Juski:

as gardengnome. like I implied, I couldn't care a rat's chuff about wireless

[22:00:44]

Juski:

s/as/ask

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roger55:

gardengnome, what wireless chipset is in there?

[22:01:02]

gardengnome:

wireless? prism54.

[22:01:15]

b8zs:

when I run mythfrontend I am getting this error: QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded when I run mythfront end, and im sure I compiled Qt with mysql support, any ideas?

[22:01:22]

gardengnome:

tried it in my laptop, but i wasn't very satisfied. but it might just work well for ya.

[22:01:23]

Juski:

though it's tempting to get it working if only to teach the neighbours a lesson – i.e. sharing your printer on a wireless LAN is fun, but only for other people

[22:01:25]

roger55:

ah cool, does that mean one could abuse it as an accesspoint?

[22:01:32]

dtm:

b8zs: did you install the qt driver for mysql?

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Juski:

b8zs: do you have qt3 or qt4?

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gardengnome:

roger55: i don't think so, but i'm not sure.

[22:01:50]

roger55:

gardengnome, you tried the minipci in your laptop?

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gardengnome:

roger55: yep.

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b8zs:

sec, checking

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roger55:

gardengnome, I wonder if it would work in my thinkpad t20

[22:02:26]

gardengnome:

roger55: depends. some laptops do bios checks... see www.thinkwiki.org they might have something

[22:02:54]

roger55:

gardengnome, for that I'd have to know which one is in the s100 exactly, right?

[22:03:17]

Juski:

roger55: I took pics of mine... http://www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/s100/

[22:03:25]

Juski:

should be clear enough to be able to tell

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roger55:

thanks

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Juski:

oo it's a G adapter... I never realised that

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roger55:

heh one can almost read the MAC address :)

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Juski:

damn. shoulda pixellated that one

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Juski:

shizzle ma nizzle

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Juski:

bah can't be bothered to ftp

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Juski:

JD time

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gardengnome:

roger55: if you need more information about the prism54 card in the s100, just ask. i've got mine handy right now

[22:10:30]

roger55:

gardengnome, I didn't find a whitelist for the t20 yet

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b8zs:

Juski, my frontend is using Qt-3.3.4-r3, and it was compiled with mysql support, Im not sure about any "qt mysql drivers though"

[22:14:06]

** xris drools... http://www.siliconmechanics.com/quotes/99010? . . . on=663837361 **

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Beirdo:

hehe

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kormoc:

b8zs, qt mysql support is the qt mysql driver

[22:15:05]

xris:

we should get it on monday.. then set it up, etc. and have it ready to deploy at the new colo as soon as it opens.

[22:15:09]

b8zs:

Im not sure how to check if i *have* that driver

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kormoc:

b8zs, you should have a file akin to libqsqlmysql.so

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b8zs:

ok, checking for that

[22:18:13]

Beirdo:

!dig www.google.com

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MythLogBot:

www.google.com A: 64.233.179.104 64.233.179.99

[22:18:16]

Beirdo:

muhahah

[22:18:36]

b8zs:

!sig sh.it

[22:18:40]

b8zs:

!dig sh.it

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MythLogBot:

sh.it A: No results

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b8zs:

w00t

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Beirdo:

good luck convincing the Italians to let you have it

[22:19:08]

b8zs:

hahha

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kormoc:

aww

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kormoc:

"Normal Dot IT (.it) domains must be at least 3 characters long"

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b8zs:

damn

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b8zs:

kormoc, I have: /usr/qt/3/plugins/sqldrivers/libqsqlmysql.so on the machine that is choking

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kormoc:

welp, that's the file

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b8zs:

so it should be working? Or is there something I need to do *with* the file

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kormoc:

QT need to know about it, but it should do that for you

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b8zs:

does libqsqlmysql.so work with mysql 5.x ?

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kormoc:

should

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b8zs:

arrrg

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saschav:

hello

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b8zs:

Xbox ~ # mysql -h 172.16.1.2 -u mythtv mythconverg -p ; will let me login fine

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b8zs:

but mythfronted cant :/

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gardengnome:

hi saschav. you german?

[22:27:38]

kormoc:

different computer or same computer?

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b8zs:

different

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saschav:

i am need any informations about Hauppauge DVB-S card (Yes i am German).

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kormoc:

b8zs, did you grant rights to the mythtv user from that ip?

[22:28:19]

b8zs:

ya

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saschav:

During the Boot the Card will not right detected.

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gardengnome:

saschav: there's also a german channel, #mythtv-de but it's possible that there are not many people alive in there at this time of the day ;)

[22:28:29]

b8zs:

I can log in fine with the command line mysql client

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b8zs:

remotely

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kormoc:

ahh, kk

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kormoc:

suckyness

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kormoc:

something really went wrong for ya

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b8zs:

;(

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b8zs:

kormoc, I tried running 'mythfilldatabase' on my masterbackend and it gave me this output at the end: http://pastebin.ca/70226

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b8zs:

maby those errors are a cause for my fronted woes

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b8zs:

most notably: " Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION:"

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kormoc:

b8zs, yeah, looks like perhaps your two comptuers are running different myth versions?

[22:35:35]

b8zs:

well i ran mythfilldatabase on the backend itself

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b8zs:

ya, also both my frontend and backend are running 0.19_p9163-r1

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b8zs:

0.19_p9163-r1 being the version of mythtv :P

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kormoc:

might want to backup the bd and start with a empty one and see if you can get it to work?

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b8zs:

bd?

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kormoc:

db

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b8zs:

aaah ok, no need to back it up, only has the default mythtv database and tables

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smokey:

is there any reason that my channels wont show the tv stations icon? i have it set to display the icon, but it doesnt seem to work

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Mattwj2005:

man you guys this HDTV is a big pain

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Mattwj2005:

:(

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beavis:

b8zs: and check mythfrontend --version and mythbackend --version on both machines

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Mattwj2005:

*drops over dead*

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Mattwj2005:

I think it might work!

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Mattwj2005:

might be a false alarm

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snake:

anyone have a working lirc config for recieving from an atiusb and transmitting on an ir blaster? using lirc 0.8.1

[23:16:11]

der_oschni:

good night, good fight

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snake:

the docmentation is lacking at best

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Cardoe:

test up the new Gentoo MythTV snapshot plz

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Sedorox:

lol

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kormoc:

Cardoe, url?

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gardengnome:

Cardoe: what's new?

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** Cardoe points to the tree. **

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** Cardoe points to package.mask **

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gardengnome:

don't have a gentoo box handy right now. i'll look it up.

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kormoc:

ahh

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Aid`:

what display manager does everyone here use?

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kormoc:

xfce / lwm

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Aid`:

i've head alot of people talk about xfce, is it good? Im rather new to linux still and are there any benefits of having it vs gnome?

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kormoc:

I perfer it myself, and the reason is speed

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** kormoc shrugs **

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Aid`:

oh, its light weight?

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kormoc:

aye

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Zider:

hm, I don't see any mythtv update in portage..

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gardengnome:

you don't look hard enough

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Zider:

:P

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kormoc:

alas, no myth on this rsync mirror yet

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Cardoe:

I put it there last night

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Zider:

could be.. it's usually pretty quickly updated mirror tho.. ah well, I'll check in the morning then..

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Cardoe:

like I said

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Cardoe:

package.mask

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kormoc:

heh, it's hard when the file doesn't exist yet :P

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** kormoc pokes other random mirrors **

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Zider:

Cardoe: yes, and what about it? the only reference to mythtv I find is 0.18 and I already have 0.19 as latest version..

[23:33:16]

Cardoe:

0.18?

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Cardoe:

where

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kormoc:

http://packages.gentoo.org/packages/?category . . . ;name=mythtv

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kormoc:

that was to Zider

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Cardoe:

kormoc: it's on there...

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Zider:

=media-tv/mythtv-0.18.2_pre7882

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Cardoe:

uh

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Zider:

is all I find in that file

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Cardoe:

Zider: emerge --sync

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Zider:

I just did

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kormoc:

http://www.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*ch . . . 10281.ebuild

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Zider:

5 mins ago

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gardengnome:

Cardoe: i see there is a USE flag called 'xvmc' and 'video_cards_nvidia'. how do they differ? i always thought the nvidia use flag would juse enable xvmc

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Cardoe:

gardengnome: use portage 2.1

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Cardoe:

what X.org do you have?

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Mattwj2005:

I did find that Mythdora does have a root password

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gardengnome:

Cardoe: xorg 6.7 or 6.9, whatever is stable at the moment. but xvmc is still listed in the IUSE section of the ebuild..

[23:38:18]

Cardoe:

correct

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Cardoe:

it should be

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Cardoe:

VIDEO_CARDS="nvidia" in your /etc/make.conf

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Cardoe:

and USE=xvmc

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gardengnome:

will that enable xvmc support specifically for nvidia?

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Cardoe:

the configure script will detect it

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vronsky:

anybody know why I get a huge number of 2006-06–23 19:38:52.473 NVP::AddAudioData():p1: Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost! when i try to output sound to my addon card? this happens on .19 and on trunk and .19 fixes...

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Cardoe:

but it will depend on Nvidia bits.

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Cardoe:

chutt wants it to auto-detect

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vronsky:

myth has always worked with my noisy builtin sound

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kormoc:

vronsky, did you enable the extra audio buffers?

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gardengnome:

Cardoe: ah, ok, thanks.

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vronsky:

aggro buffering?

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kormoc:

no

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kormoc:

there's a second option for extra audio buffers

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kormoc:

aggro buffering should be off in this case

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vronsky:

hm

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vronsky:

aggro buffering fixed it

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kormoc:

interesting

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kormoc:

but good to hear

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vronsky:

but i dont think that worked on the other branches.. i'm working with .19 release now

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vronsky:

is extra audio buffers in .19 release?

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kormoc:

yes

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vronsky:

"extra audio buffering" was on the whole time. i just found it

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kormoc:

nice

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kormoc:

well, least it works

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vronsky:

that's so weird, i know i tried aggro buffering before

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kormoc:

maybe you need both?

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vronsky:

guess so, but extra audio buffering should have been on in all cases because settings have been stored in the same mysql dbase right?

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kormoc:

hopefully, aye

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kormoc:

but ya never know

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vronsky:

crap

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vronsky:

its back

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kormoc:

is it specific tv stations?

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smokey:

anyone use a geforce fx5200, ever get a solid blue line across the top of video play back? anyone have a solution for this?

[23:52:03]

vronsky:

well i tried to rewind

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vronsky:

then it came back

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kormoc:

smokey, is it overtop of the video or above the video?

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smokey:

above

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smokey:

like right above

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smokey:

like on a wide screen movie, its on top of the video, not the screen

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kormoc:

could try playing with your overscan settings

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Cardoe:

gardengnome: Now there's a msg about the XvMC USE flag

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gardengnome:

Cardoe: thanks ;)

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smokey:

kormoc, yeah, i have.. so it looks fine when watching something in full screen, but like i said, with wide screen video, it lays a blue line accross the top of the video (not the screen)

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gardengnome:

smokey: get yourself xvattr and set the color key to black

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smokey:

yeah, i just tried setting it to 0, rebooting now

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