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Thursday, June 22nd, 2006, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:10] mchou: bengoodger: whats total population of UK?
[00:00:17] Mattwj2005: there are a lot of jobs here in the US that don't need college or even technical degrees
[00:00:19] bengoodger: mchou, about 65 million
[00:00:25] bengoodger: MarshallWalker, what type of video is it outputting? and have you tried looking at the command line for a more complicated error message?
[00:00:30] mchou: or more specifically, adult population
[00:00:36] bengoodger: mchou, looking
[00:00:50] Mattwj2005: then again....those jobs don't pay much
[00:01:16] MarshallWalker: i'm using a fresh install of FC4, with ivtv 1.5 (I think) and pvr-150 card. ATI 9000 video card.
[00:02:06] mchou: bengoodger: lets assume 50% of the total population are adults.....
[00:02:09] MarshallWalker: i'm trying to get video from the tuner, from a cable signal
[00:02:30] mchou: bengoodger: that means there population is "steady state"
[00:02:35] bengoodger: mchou, unlikely
[00:02:42] mchou: bengoodger: why?
[00:03:00] bengoodger: because our population is now entering stage five
[00:03:01] mchou: you need 2 kids to replace every couple who die
[00:03:13] GiantPickle: Hello all. I'm following the gentoo wiki on setting up mythtv. I'm at the part where I'm trying to run mythtv-setup, and it can't connect to the database. I'm on gentoo, amd64, mysql-5.0.22. 'skip-networking' is commented out in my.cnf. Can anyone shed some light?
[00:03:29] bengoodger: our pyramid is inverting itself, and the population-by-age thingy is getting stuff
[00:03:29] bengoodger: y
[00:04:14] mchou: bengoodger: stuffy??
[00:04:21] bengoodger: distorted
[00:04:27] bengoodger: stuffed up?
[00:04:29] bengoodger: mweh
[00:05:36] mchou: bengoodger: I dont understand what you're saying. Is UK total population growing, decreasing, or stagnant?
[00:05:38] bengoodger: gah, sod it
[00:05:46] bengoodger: our population is growing.
[00:05:50] MarshallWalker: I am getting some type of static on the screen, I have another terminal window open, and using ivtv-tune to change the channel.
[00:06:01] bengoodger: but normally populations have a wide-based pyramid, see?
[00:06:14] mchou: bengoodger: then by definition that implies adult population is <50%
[00:06:26] bengoodger: and ours is now tall
[00:06:41] bengoodger: there are more and more older and older people
[00:07:00] bengoodger: it's more or less a rectangle now.
[00:07:16] mchou: bengoodger: bah, I think youre getting lost in the weeds
[00:07:23] bengoodger: so I can't tell from that graph what our adult population is
[00:07:26] mchou: we only need an approximation
[00:07:35] bengoodger: and the statistics website isn't telling me
[00:07:54] mchou: lets just start with the assumption 50%
[00:08:12] mchou: we can scale it if it is different
[00:08:24] bengoodger: fine
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[00:09:11] mchou: total ppl with degress / (0.5 * total UK pipulation)
[00:09:17] bengoodger: so out of the total population, 30% of people of working age have degrees, and 50% of economically active adults have A-levels
[00:09:33] bengoodger: they're incomparable without the statistics of economic activity and working age
[00:09:47] mchou: so 1/3 adults have uni degrees
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[00:10:06] bengoodger: yes
[00:10:21] mchou: bengoodger: I mean does that dovetail with your "experience"
[00:10:22] bengoodger: but we have no idea of how many more than 50% of the population have A-levels.
[00:10:43] mchou: bengoodger: meaning a gut feel check
[00:10:49] bengoodger: mchou, mmmmmore or less
[00:11:07] bengoodger: it seems to be less than that
[00:11:58] bengoodger: ah well.
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[00:12:16] bengoodger: #population-dynamics is now known as #mythtv-users
[00:12:30] mchou: bengoodger: another way to ask the question is what % of graduation class is going to college :)
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[00:12:53] mchou: bengoodger: it's probably significantly more than 1/3
[00:13:07] bengoodger: is high school compulsory?
[00:13:16] mchou: bengoodger: where??
[00:13:20] bengoodger: there.
[00:13:31] mchou: in theory it is, but ppl drop out
[00:13:35] bengoodger: ok
[00:14:28] bengoodger: in that case, we cannot attempt to compare A-level owners and high-school graduates, as most people who enter A-level classes are looking to take a degree at the end
[00:14:30] mchou: my gut feel in US is 75% of graduating class goes to college or uni
[00:15:08] Mattwj2005: that seems quite high
[00:15:18] bengoodger: Mattwj2005, not really
[00:15:46] bengoodger: well, it's not bad, at least:
[00:15:46] Mattwj2005: that sure isn't the case with my high school class anyways
[00:15:50] bengoodger: the american education system doesn't sort people into classes
[00:16:03] bengoodger: so you end up with waitresses with degrees and such
[00:16:08] mchou: Mattwj2005: just because graduating class gioes doesnt imply they manage to get degrees
[00:16:19] mchou: goes*
[00:16:26] mchou: Mattwj2005: :)
[00:16:31] bengoodger: mchou, true
[00:16:42] Mattwj2005: true
[00:16:57] bengoodger: most people here entering A-levels will be looking to go on to university
[00:17:19] bengoodger: ergo, most people not wishing to go on to university will have stopped at GCSEs
[00:17:28] bengoodger: (15–16, compulsory)
[00:17:37] mchou: Mattwj2005: so lets say 1/4 ppl drop out of college
[00:17:47] Mattwj2005: okay
[00:18:35] Mattwj2005: I also think that should be higher! :-P
[00:19:29] Mattwj2005: but anyways...
[00:19:38] mchou: Mattwj2005: that implies .562 of ppl who have high scool diplomas have college degrees
[00:19:49] mchou: school*
[00:20:17] bengoodger: hmm
[00:20:21] mchou: umm, correction
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[00:20:29] mchou: adults of working age
[00:20:45] mchou: of of ppl
[00:20:50] mchou: not of ppl
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[00:21:04] bengoodger: heh
[00:21:14] bengoodger: mythtv-users is banned from #mythtv-users
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[00:22:15] mchou: Mattwj2005: ok, so what in you experience is a reasonable statistic for college dropout rate?
[00:22:25] mchou: Mattwj2005: 1/3?
[00:22:46] Mattwj2005: at least....I would go as far as to say 1/2
[00:23:10] mchou: Mattwj2005: huh??
[00:23:20] mchou: 1/2 ppl drop out of college?
[00:23:39] mchou: what gives you that gut feel?
[00:23:58] Mattwj2005: graduating from a university last December
[00:24:06] mchou: that impiles only half the entering freshman class graduate
[00:24:06] Mattwj2005: a lot of people came and went without degrees
[00:24:20] LabMonkey: gah
[00:24:31] LabMonkey: I need a calculator to figure partition sizes
[00:24:41] mchou: Mattwj2005: that's no way for a school to be viable
[00:24:49] bengoodger: labmonkey, why?
[00:25:01] LabMonkey: bengoodger: because you lose space to formatting
[00:25:10] mchou: Mattwj2005: that implies freshman class is 2x bigger than senior class
[00:25:15] LabMonkey: and I'm OCD about swap partition size
[00:25:17] bengoodger: labmonkey, er... not very much.
[00:25:21] mchou: Mattwj2005: it doesnt scale
[00:25:30] bengoodger: labmonkey, good rule for swap is 1.5x RAM
[00:25:35] LabMonkey: no
[00:25:36] kormoc: LabMonkey, you can also do a swap file rather then a partition
[00:25:39] LabMonkey: that's not the point
[00:25:46] Mattwj2005: maybe it is a little off
[00:25:48] daktak: GiantPickle: I rememebr having to play/deal with the mythtv user and mythtv group
[00:25:55] LabMonkey: the point is that I create a 2GB partition in fdisk and it comes out to like 1950MB
[00:26:00] kormoc: bengoodger, that'd be great for me, 3 gig swap partition, when my box never uses swap :P
[00:26:05] daktak: GiantPickle: making sure mysql has granted that user to connect etc
[00:26:07] MarshallWalker: okay, i've played around with ivtv-tune and ivtvctl and all I get is a black staticy screen with lines of colors. when I use mplayer -vo xv /dev/video0
[00:26:07] bengoodger: labmonkey, errrrr
[00:26:10] LabMonkey: well
[00:26:14] LabMonkey: not that much
[00:26:17] Mattwj2005: but a lot of people don't graduate....it is quite sad
[00:26:19] LabMonkey: like 2010MB or something
[00:26:22] LabMonkey: but I'm anal
[00:26:24] bengoodger: you didn't create a 2gb swap partition.
[00:26:29] LabMonkey: I want 2048MB of swap
[00:26:47] bengoodger: you created a 2000000 block partition
[00:26:52] LabMonkey: no
[00:26:53] bengoodger: or something, didn't you?
[00:26:57] LabMonkey: +2048M
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[00:27:02] bengoodger: hmm.
[00:27:05] bengoodger: what filesystem?
[00:27:12] kormoc: swap...
[00:27:14] LabMonkey: stop talking
[00:27:15] LabMonkey: now
[00:27:23] bengoodger: no.
[00:27:23] LabMonkey: you just lost your right to speak to me
[00:27:38] bengoodger: labmonkey, you appear to have confused us both
[00:27:38] GiantPickle: daktak: It seems that maybe my mythbackend is not starting properly
[00:28:15] ** bengoodger reads back **
[00:28:28] bengoodger: ok..
[00:28:36] bengoodger: mentioning swap beforehand would have been good.
[00:28:40] kormoc: bengoodger, he did
[00:28:47] GiantPickle: daktak: when I start it, it says it is already started, but when I stop it, it says it can't kill the process because it doesn't exist
[00:28:49] bengoodger: kormoc, at the beginning.
[00:28:54] bengoodger: LabMonkey, ok
[00:29:06] daktak: GiantPickle: do /etc/init.d/mythbackend zap
[00:29:12] bengoodger: LabMonkey, I can't see that you'd lose very much space in filesystems.
[00:29:17] bengoodger: if any.
[00:29:18] kormoc: benc-, he did :P
[00:29:26] daktak: GiantPickle: then edit the mythtv configs to turn full logging on, start it , and check the logs
[00:29:29] bengoodger: kormoc, well then he has a problem
[00:29:43] LabMonkey: congratulations
[00:29:56] kormoc: LabMonkey, but in anycase, didja consider a swap file, and if so, any preticular reason for not going that route?
[00:29:58] LabMonkey: you're the first person on freenode that I've ever /ignore'ed
[00:30:03] GiantPickle: daktak: ok... lemmie see what happens now... jussec
[00:30:13] LabMonkey: kormoc: yeah I didn't really think of that
[00:30:16] LabMonkey: until you said it
[00:30:22] kormoc: heh, kk
[00:30:39] LabMonkey: but the primary fs is ext3 and I wonder if there would be any kind of performance hit for a swap file
[00:30:43] kormoc: I switched all my boxes over to swap files, as it's much simplier to grow in the future
[00:30:45] LabMonkey: on ext3
[00:30:45] kormoc: not at all
[00:30:50] MarshallWalker: anyone had any luck with a PVR-150 in any mythtv setup? Or would it be better to go with a PVr-250 card?
[00:30:51] bengoodger: somebody tell labmonkey that he's an arsehead, please. I'm going to bed
[00:31:02] kormoc: LabMonkey, I have a link somewhere that talks about it. it actually skips the ext3 layer completely as a swapfile
[00:31:07] LabMonkey: hmm
[00:31:08] LabMonkey: neat
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[00:31:39] kormoc: LabMonkey, http://tinyurl.com/fvelx
[00:31:48] goodgerster: labmonkey, ignoring people is not going to help.
[00:31:52] goodgerster: arsehead..
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[00:32:06] GiantPickle: daktak: well... mythtv-setup still says it can't connect to database...
[00:33:19] LabMonkey: wow
[00:33:56] Mattwj2005: well my laptop works!!! I just got opensuse 10.1 loaded on it!
[00:34:30] LabMonkey: sometimes I think there's something wrong with me when I'm actually suprised by the sheer stupidity that some people can display
[00:34:39] LabMonkey: kormoc: thanks alot :)
[00:34:55] kormoc: you're welcome
[00:35:31] GiantPickle: daktak: Um... where do I edit to turn on logging?
[00:37:00] daktak: GiantPickle: hmm i found it in the mythtv lists somewhere, /etc/mythtv/mythbackend?
[00:37:36] LabMonkey: kormoc: I still have the partitioning/formatting loss issue though
[00:37:43] LabMonkey: I have like 556GB to work with
[00:37:47] LabMonkey: 32MB for /boot
[00:37:49] kormoc: LabMonkey, sure, but it's a lot easier to tack on
[00:37:59] kormoc: dd has a append option
[00:38:12] kormoc: so just append a few X, reformat, see the size, and repeat if needed
[00:38:16] LabMonkey: I want exactly 500GB for a big partition
[00:38:22] LabMonkey: and then the other ~56GB for /
[00:38:39] GiantPickle: daktak: That was the area I first looked in... no joy
[00:38:41] daktak: GiantPickle: /etc/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt  — does that help too?
[00:38:47] MarshallWalker: okay, I tried taking off the cable from the tuner, and the screen is still the back snowy screen
[00:38:56] LabMonkey: well now I'm talking about the ext3 partitions
[00:39:29] LabMonkey: problem at this point is that any time I fdisk I have to reboot for the changes to take effect
[00:39:34] kormoc: LabMonkey, I figure you are, but just to be sure, you are taking into consideration the 1k=1000 of hard drive sizes?
[00:39:38] kormoc: ooh?
[00:39:40] ru: I have setup my serial IR Blaster
[00:39:42] kormoc: ick :/
[00:39:47] ru: the modules are loaded
[00:39:52] LabMonkey: yeah I'm taking that into consideration
[00:39:58] ru: but I have no idea how to check if its working or where to go at this stage
[00:39:58] ru: Could someone point me in the right direction?
[00:40:03] LabMonkey: the drives themselves are 300GB each in a raid0
[00:40:08] LabMonkey: so there's some lost to parity
[00:40:15] LabMonkey: and the 1k=1000b
[00:40:21] ** kormoc nods **
[00:40:31] LabMonkey: so in 1024 terms there's like 556GB
[00:40:46] ** kormoc nods **
[00:41:05] dev: raid0 and parity?
[00:41:11] LabMonkey: and, unfortunately, block sizes are variable, right?
[00:41:23] LabMonkey: dev: err.. not parity... metadata
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[00:42:32] dev: raid0 is blah
[00:42:33] GiantPickle: daktak: There is nothing in there that says anything about logging... I'll google some more
[00:43:23] daktak: GiantPickle: yeah, but at least it can tell you which database,user and password it will be trying to use to connect to mysql
[00:43:30] LabMonkey: dev: I just want a bigass partition for my recordings (simultaneous hardware-encoded streams). After they're recorded and compressed they'll be copied to a TB raid5 on another box.
[00:44:14] dev: your funeral ;P
[00:44:31] LabMonkey: yeah
[00:44:35] LabMonkey: hrm
[00:47:27] MarshallWalker: trying a areial antenna doesn't make a difference, changed ivtv-tune to use us-bcast
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[00:53:22] WAR_CH|LD: hello, does anyone know if something similar to this http://mythstreamtv.sourceforge.net/ is been developed for 0.19?
[00:54:47] WAR_CH|LD: or is there another plguin for viewing the video through http?
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[00:56:35] Beirdo: The bot will be right back
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[00:58:16] Beirdo: stupid flood protection from hell
[00:58:38] Beirdo: that REALLY needs to be rewritten
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[01:01:56] Beirdo: there
[01:02:09] Beirdo: !dig mythtv.beirdo.ca
[01:02:10] MythLogBot: mythtv.beirdo.ca A: 70.85.31.45
[01:02:12] Beirdo: :)
[01:02:32] kormoc: Hey, shouldn't that be beirdo.pr? :P
[01:02:40] Beirdo: heh
[01:02:46] Beirdo: you wanna pay the $100/yer
[01:02:48] Beirdo: ?
[01:02:57] Beirdo: that's what a .pr costs
[01:03:00] kormoc: nah...
[01:03:04] kormoc: that's quite the cost
[01:03:12] Beirdo: I was toying with .isla.pr, at $7/yr
[01:03:16] Beirdo: but haven't done it yet
[01:03:33] kormoc: is.la.nd would be nifty
[01:03:44] Beirdo: !dig -x 70.85.31.45
[01:03:44] MythLogBot: 45.31.85.70.in-addr.arpa. PTR: linode.beirdo.ca
[01:03:51] Beirdo: yay, all working fine
[01:05:53] MarshallWalker: okay, I am still getting a black staticy screen with either antenna, or cable. it's like the tuner is not setting the right freq, i've enve tried manually setting the freq.
[01:08:15] bluef0x: anyone have a site that rates tv shows? lol
[01:08:21] MarshallWalker: does anyone even see my messages???
[01:08:31] kormoc: MarshallWalker, nope, sorry.
[01:08:53] kormoc: bluef0x, just go thought the show schedules and mark the ones that seem interesting
[01:09:07] MarshallWalker: kormoc, have I been baned?
[01:09:19] kormoc: MarshallWalker, nope, we're just all blind at the moment
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[01:10:34] bluef0x: with a pvr-500 , you can record two shows at once... can you also watch livetv while it records two sh ows?
[01:11:10] kormoc: no, livetv is recorded, so it counts as one of those two shows
[01:11:16] bluef0x: k
[01:11:28] bluef0x: what if ur watching the show thas being recorded
[01:11:31] bluef0x: can u do that?
[01:11:43] kormoc: yes, you can
[01:12:23] MarshallWalker: tuner model is TCL M2523_5N_E (idx 112, type 4)
[01:12:45] bluef0x: how do you check the "default" recording profile? all i see is LiveTV, High Quality, and Low Quality
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[01:21:06] ru: has anyone here setup a serial IR blaster using LIRC?
[01:24:55] Beirdo: bluef0x, system load averages
[01:25:15] Beirdo: number of processes in the run queue on average during the time period
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[01:29:11] MarshallWalker: test
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[01:32:11] MarshallWalker: testing
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[01:39:45] ru: I am using this config file but lirc gives an error http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/multichoice/DSD910
[01:40:07] ru: ledxmitd: multiple protocols given in flags: "SHIFT_ENC"
[01:40:42] daktak: GiantPickle: /etc/conf.d/mythbackend has what you need for logging
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[02:27:04] eggo: hey is a hauppauge wintv pvr 150 mce a good card for myth ?
[02:27:07] Anduin: eggo: Yes it is.
[02:27:37] Anduin: Bah, what I get for not reading the other channel.
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[02:27:43] eggo: hehe
[02:27:46] eggo: too slow !
[02:28:04] Anduin: Now I'm disappointed I helped. Good thing I'm a liar.
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[02:28:14] eggo: your elying now !
[02:28:20] eggo: youre lying now
[02:28:27] Anduin: It's what I do.
[02:28:50] eggo: unfortunately you told the truth about the card !
[02:29:11] Anduin: I don't even have a 150, how would I know?
[02:29:18] eggo: oh, you know
[02:29:21] eggo: and you told me !
[02:29:30] Anduin: I'm a fool.
[02:29:35] eggo: i agree !
[02:32:04] psymin: eggo: Its the only card I've gotten to work properly in a timely manner =] .. so .. I vote 'yes'
[02:32:17] eggo: w00t !
[02:32:35] Anduin: Bah, hardware encoding is for suckers.
[02:32:54] eggo: hush anduin
[02:33:02] eggo: you blew it !
[02:33:23] scales: hi guys, i got a question. i plugged my external usb hard drive and it pops up on the desktop with a usb stick icon. i go to open and view the drive, and it says something like format not recognized. my hard drive is ntfs and i am wondering why i cannot view it. is there a plugin i need or something?
[02:33:52] Anduin: scales: Maybe better over in #fedora?
[02:34:15] eggo: fedora blows
[02:34:21] scales: hey
[02:34:24] scales: what do you use
[02:34:39] Anduin: scales: Did you get the fixed gdm released today?
[02:37:00] eggo: gee dee emm
[02:41:00] scales: the thing that will let me login automatically?
[02:41:06] scales: i havent checked
[02:41:17] scales: i kinda came here and hoped someone would clue me in :)
[02:41:46] scales: so it works?
[02:41:48] Anduin: scales: Yes, assuming you are using gdm, a fixed rpm was released today.
[02:42:04] Anduin: (and yes it works)
[02:42:12] scales: ok i will check that out
[02:44:14] scales: so what do you think would be the best capture card for the money, bang for the buck? sometimes my myth will freeze if i rewind too fast, or ffw too fast. i only have a 2.0p4, and 512 ram.
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[02:45:11] Anduin: scales: You are using a software encoding card now?
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[02:46:48] scales: yeah, i have a wintvgo, super cheap, doesnt have a remote control
[02:47:20] Aid`: scales: i have a wintv go plus. its fine quality for me
[02:47:21] Anduin: PVR 150 is probably the best currently, PVR 500 if you want two tuners and the number of PCI slots is a factor.
[02:47:40] eggo: heh
[02:47:43] eggo: i knew it !
[02:47:47] scales: well i would like to keep thing cheap
[02:47:51] Anduin: Unless you are eggo, then I don't know.
[02:47:53] scales: or relatively
[02:48:04] Aid`: scales: are you talking about your mythtv box?
[02:48:15] scales: yeah....?
[02:48:20] Aid`: yeeah im the same way
[02:48:27] scales: the quality is alright,
[02:48:35] Aid`: yeah its not too noticable
[02:48:37] Anduin: scales: The 150s are cheap (around $60)
[02:48:38] scales: just that it sometimes freezes,
[02:48:43] scales: right i have seen that
[02:49:00] Mersault: mythtv seems to be getting my channel lineup really confused. there's about 20 channels that have the wrong chanid and freqid numbers and often they don't even match. this has only started since i rebuilt my system the other day, but I have verified that I'm using 'us-cable' in the video sources of mythtv-setup. anyone have any pointers on what might have gone wrong and how to fix it?
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[02:49:49] Anduin: Mersault: There is a bug, I have a ticket with a patch you can try (if you are building it yourself).
[02:49:50] scales: anduin: i think mine seems to get tv in an alright speed/quality
[02:50:16] Aid`: scales: aree you using video in?
[02:50:21] Mersault: Anduin: was the bug recently introduced? this is svn-10246 or something.
[02:50:32] Anduin: scales: Yeah, you have enough hardware there to do it with what you have, still you should expect some glitches with software encoding.
[02:50:36] Mersault: Anduin: I had been running a previous svn version without this problem
[02:51:23] scales: anduin: i use the tuner in
[02:51:25] Anduin: Mersault: It has been there for some time (though people who aren't doing a new install, or at least fetching their channels/lineup for the first time won't notice)
[02:51:45] Mersault: Anduin: interesting. ticket number?
[02:51:56] Mersault: I'll apply it and rebuild my source tomorrow at work
[02:52:42] Anduin: Mersault: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1848
[02:53:39] Anduin: Mersault: In the simple case you can just patch the DB up by hand to get it working.
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[02:56:15] scales: brb
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[02:56:44] Mersault: Anduin: in mythweb, or really by hand?
[02:58:11] Anduin: Mersault: By hand (last time I checked mythweb (properly) didn't let you edit channum)
[02:59:15] Mersault: okay. phpmyadmin, here I come...
[02:59:41] Mersault: thanks for the pointer. I'd tried to manipulate them in mythweb, but it hadn't worked.
[03:00:49] Mersault: should I be stopping mythbackend while I manipulate the database?
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[03:02:26] Mersault: Anduin: oh, um, any pointers on where in the database to go? I haven't really gotten to know my mythtv database on an intimate level...
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[03:02:53] Mersault: wait, nm. I should look before I ask.
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[03:08:36] GiantPickle: daktak: Thank you.
[03:11:20] scales: what was the version of gdm?
[03:11:34] scales: i cannot seem to find a yum install for it
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[03:17:00] destrekor: 'ello again
[03:18:03] destrekor: anyone know how I can uninstall IVTV so i can get an older version (if possible with the 2.6.16–1.2133)
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[03:21:05] destrekor: nevermind appears IVTV you have to use the 0.6.x series for FC5 kernels
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[03:30:08] Anduin: scales: Some day try: yum update
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[03:32:57] scales: i just did
[03:33:03] scales: i got an error :(
[03:33:07] scales: i was missing some file
[03:33:10] scales: let me see what it was
[03:34:00] Anduin: scales: yum can be fickle, and the default mirrors are criminal, trying again usually works (until you toss the mirror list)
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[03:41:51] metalac: so i get random freezes while i watch LiveTV
[03:41:59] metalac: mainly when i switch channels
[03:42:05] metalac: any clue what might be up?
[03:42:40] metalac: i've been asking for help here for about a week and nobody so far gave me any suggestion that improved the situation
[03:42:51] metalac: so anything would be appreciated
[03:44:37] metalac: basicaly just live tv freezes not the whole machine
[03:45:14] destrekor: i've got it to where my entire system locks up with a blank screen whenever i attempt to watch live tv... should I dump FC5 and just move to KnoppMyth?
[03:45:17] metalac: I push ESC and i'm back at the myth menu, and then I just push "watch tv" again and it works, for a while
[03:46:02] Anduin: destrekor: You have data in the program guide?
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[03:46:43] sloncho: hi. how do I record deinterlaced picture. I do not see this option in the recording profile
[03:47:32] destrekor: anduin, how do i view the program guide?
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[03:50:42] Anduin: destrekor: Manage Recording | Schedule Recordings | Program Guide
[03:52:44] destrekor: anduin, yep i got guide data
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[03:55:58] metalac: ok so i got some more infor regarding my freezes
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[03:56:11] metalac: i got mythfrontend to log something more useful
[03:56:36] metalac: and i got something about NVP:Prebuffer wait timed out and there are not enough free frames. Discarding buffered frames.
[03:56:38] metalac: any clue?
[03:58:16] destrekor: anduin, not sure how much it helps, but maybe something could come of this info: running an nvidia geforce 6600 (latest nvidia-graphics, 8762 if i recall), 0.6.x release of IVTV, myth 0.19, and FC5 with kernel 2.6.16–1.2133_FC5
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[04:02:39] metalac: any clue when 0.19.1 will be out?
[04:02:45] metalac: seems that my issue might be fixed in it
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[04:06:38] Mersault: I've recently upgraded my mythtv box from 0.19 to an svn build, and I've lost some functionality from mythmusic. I can no longer browse my music collection as a filesystem, only through playlists that I make.
[04:07:01] Mersault: is there any way to get back the ability to browse through the filesystem for my music collection?
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[04:28:15] Mattwj2005: hey guys
[04:28:48] Mattwj2005: I got my laptop frontend going....however I am having trouble untar-ing the HDTV files from pcHDTV.com
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[04:39:00] Beirdo: heya, xris ;)
[04:41:10] xris: evening
[04:41:15] D-side: howdy fellas.
[04:42:09] xris: !dig forevermore.net
[04:42:13] MythLogBot: forevermore.net A: 70.90.184.178
[04:42:18] xris: nice
[04:42:38] Beirdo: :)
[04:43:11] Mattwj2005: anyone know of a site where I can get a HDTV clip to test my laptop?
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[04:43:14] Beirdo: now I'm starting the basis of an rssfeed reader :)
[04:44:24] ** xris wonders if the for-pay project for Beirdo could be done with rss.... **
[04:44:37] Beirdo: Oooh, true
[04:45:26] xris: ken's doing a trade show for the rest of the week, unfortunately.
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[04:45:49] Beirdo: tis OK
[04:46:10] xris: heh
[04:46:17] xris: might just get paid for doing something you were going to do anyway.
[04:46:23] Beirdo: true :)
[04:46:30] xris: well, not entirely, since I guess that project needed targeted notices.
[04:46:49] Beirdo: yeah, it's a bit more specific in nature
[04:47:00] xris: could still use rss... just have to add a custom field
[04:47:29] ** xris still votes for a quick url-target plugin **
[04:47:42] Beirdo: it's on the list too :)
[04:47:47] xris: heh
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[04:48:26] Beirdo: the DNS one is useful for me :)
[04:48:58] Beirdo: and the RSS one will be cool, create a #mythtv-commits and get a feed from trac
[04:49:14] Beirdo: update like every half hour
[04:49:52] xris: that'd be interesting
[04:50:08] Mattwj2005: hey guys I just thought of a HDTV file! :D
[04:50:16] Beirdo: I'd make me a #beirdo-commits for all of my stuff too, I think
[04:50:18] Mattwj2005: macBreak on twit.tv
[04:53:22] xris: cool
[04:53:40] Mattwj2005: it is even highly compressed so that will be even more difficult to decode
[04:54:23] xris: heh
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[04:58:33] Mattwj2005: it looks like that torrent is down
[04:58:35] Mattwj2005: :(
[04:59:14] xris: Mattwj2005: http://www.google.com/search?q=hdtv%20sample%20mpg
[05:05:01] Mattwj2005: okay cool thanks xris....I am dowloading a sample now
[05:05:03] Mattwj2005: 1080i
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[05:10:50] Mattwj2005: geez this is a slow download only 110 kbps
[05:15:45] Mattwj2005: well it stumbled a little bit in the beginning....but over all the playback wasn't too bad
[05:16:26] Mattwj2005: that was in kaffeine
[05:17:19] CosmicC: hey guys, what do i have set wrong when i get a unknown video codec error when i transcode any of my live tv.. i have a pvr-250
[05:17:47] CosmicC: my stream type on my recording profile?
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[05:31:10] b8zsNetra: ok just in review here (ive asked this before). My frontend is an xbox running gentoox, xfce, and mythv compiled with lirc. My backend is running gentoo, and mythv compiled without lirc. I forwarded an x session to my xbox and ran mythtv-setup, but i could not steer the menu with my xbox remote. Will I have to recompile mythtv with lirc on my *backend* box in order to be able to control mythtv-setup with my remote? (since my controller doesnt work)
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[05:34:30] xris: b8zsNetra: no, you just have to make sure the remote is actually sending signals that mythtv-setup can understand
[05:34:50] b8zsNetra: well, why then does my controller not work, when it works on the frontend?
[05:35:06] b8zsNetra: Im not sure my remote will work, cause I dont have lirc on the backend at all
[05:35:27] b8zsNetra: this whole, forwarding X thing has got me going bonkers :/
[05:36:20] b8zsNetra: my xbox remote works, but when I forward an X session with ssh and run mythtv-setup, it loads fullscreen and my xbox remote has no controll over the menu
[05:37:20] xris: b8zsNetra: because they're completely different applications?
[05:37:49] b8zsNetra: my xbox controller works, but when I forward an X session with ssh and run mythtv-setup, it loads fullscreen and my xbox controller has no controll over the menu**
[05:37:51] xris: if you were using irxevent it would work
[05:37:58] b8zsNetra: sry fixed for correctness
[05:38:53] xris: not sure how the x forwarding works with native lirc.. whether it interacts directly with the app or just sends keystrokes via x.
[05:39:09] xris: compiling the backend with lirc support would tell you, though
[05:39:19] b8zsNetra: damn
[05:39:39] xris: it will either work, or it will mean that you'd need to have the remote plugged into the backend
[05:39:48] b8zsNetra: i think I will just buy an xbox controller port to usb adapter and plug a keybnoard in
[05:39:52] xris: personally, I just run mythtv-setup on my workstation, not the frontend
[05:40:06] b8zsNetra: i dont have a window manager on my backend
[05:40:12] b8zsNetra: *why* would I
[05:40:35] xris: b8zsNetra: who said anything about the backend?
[05:40:45] b8zsNetra: oooh
[05:40:48] b8zsNetra: i see
[05:40:51] xris: don't you have a machine you use for stuff like browsing the web, etc?
[05:41:04] b8zsNetra: ya but its running .... windows :(
[05:41:07] xris: so?
[05:41:11] b8zsNetra: all my other linux machines are headless
[05:41:12] xris: X runs fine in cygwin
[05:41:22] xris: might even be a native X for all I know
[05:41:39] b8zsNetra: i think there is a java implementation of X as well
[05:41:40] b8zsNetra: hmmm
[05:42:32] b8zsNetra: kinda wierd how you have to run mythtv-setup *on* the backend
[05:42:41] b8zsNetra: in a gui
[05:43:09] xris: you don't
[05:43:14] xris: can run it on the frontend just fine
[05:43:41] b8zsNetra: ya bu forwarding your X session to the frontend
[05:43:43] b8zsNetra: by*
[05:43:45] xris: actually, I'm probably wrong about that. my workstation often doubles as a slave backend
[05:44:20] xris: you can run *some* parts of it remotely... channel config, etc is global...
[05:44:49] b8zsNetra: hmm
[05:44:57] b8zsNetra: another question I've been meaning to askl
[05:45:13] b8zsNetra: when i ran mythtv-setup, before the gui popped up I saw a lot of mysql errors
[05:45:24] b8zsNetra: what mysql databases/users is this install script expecting?
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[05:46:06] xris: b8zsNetra: the ones that you configure in mysql.txt
[05:46:23] xris: you need to create the database yourself... all of that is in the documentation
[05:46:28] xris: gentoo might do it for you, though
[05:51:56] D-side: whats that, add the db?
[05:51:57] D-side: it doesnt.
[05:52:39] xris: b8zsNetra: well that answers your question, then
[05:52:51] D-side: after you emerge mythtv it'll tell you what you need to do to install it though.
[05:55:14] D-side: bedtime here. laters.
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[06:11:14] BoShek: Anyone have an idea as to why when i run mythfilldatabase it does not update the databse unless i reboot?
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[06:16:14] mchou: BoShek: the db is updated
[06:16:44] mchou: BoShek: you may have to restart mythbackend. Dont recall if that's necessary
[06:17:05] BoShek: thats about the only thing i can think of
[06:17:13] mchou: well, so there
[06:17:26] mchou: BoShek: what's the big deal then?
[06:17:50] b8zsNetra: thakns for your help xris and D-side
[06:17:56] mchou: myth will do the right thing (tm)
[06:18:02] BoShek: i want to automate the process
[06:18:17] mchou: BoShek: automate the process??
[06:18:23] mchou: my is automated
[06:18:28] mchou: myth*
[06:18:41] BoShek: mine was for a while however it broke
[06:18:49] BoShek: and the only way the db updates is on reboot
[06:19:14] mchou: BoShek: you using some svn branch or what?
[06:19:44] BoShek: nope
[06:20:09] Hoxzer_: http://pastebin.de/7862 <- after this mythbackend crashes`, why?
[06:20:40] BoShek: i'll look into this more thanks for letting me know i'm on the right track
[06:20:40] fatmatt: anyone got mythtv running from a bootable usb stick?
[06:21:45] mchou: fatmatt: why?
[06:21:49] xris: BoShek: automated via cron, or via the backend itself?
[06:22:03] fatmatt: beacuse I want a frontend to boot from a usb stick
[06:22:26] xris: BoShek: also, grab optimize_mythdb.pl from contrib and run it... corrupt database table might cause weirdness like that.
[06:22:40] mchou: fatmatt: umm, just netboot nfs root
[06:22:49] xris: fatmatt: just get the livecd version of knopmyth and put it on a usb stick
[06:23:10] mchou: fatmatt: you can use usb stick but that would be a waste of usb stick
[06:23:48] BoShek: xris i was going to do crons
[06:24:14] BoShek: i'll look for optimize_mythdb.pl
[06:24:37] mchou: BoShek: cron for what?
[06:24:43] fatmatt: mchou: cheap these days and with a minimal install could also be a rescue disk, linux utils etc, anyway, I can't figure out how to get knoppmyth onto it.
[06:25:06] BoShek: i was going to have a cron job for mythfilldatabase and another to restart mythbackend
[06:25:14] fatmatt: its only a 512mb as well, should be enough but there's baggage in knoppmyth I don't think I need.
[06:25:23] mchou: BoShek: why would you need to do that?
[06:25:30] xris: BoShek: let the backend run it for you... much nicer on zap2it's servers
[06:26:25] BoShek: i dont remember if its set to do it or not and im currently at work and dont have access to the frontend
[06:26:32] mchou: fatmatt: I dont know what you mean by "cant figure out how to get knoppmyth onto it"
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[06:26:36] BoShek: is there a config that has this info in it
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[06:27:30] xris: BoShek: database
[06:28:19] fatmatt: mchou: I don't know if I just copy the iso across, if I boot to knopmytht and choose install. A lot of the bootable usb stuff I can find uses vfat (not ext3/linux) as a partition, not really sure where to start.
[06:29:01] mchou: fatmatt: sigh
[06:29:16] fatmatt: new to this whole usb thing, do I just use it the same way as I would hard drive? Am I OT?
[06:29:22] mchou: fatmatt: you boot linux using syslinux
[06:29:55] mchou: you treat the usb no differently than a BIG floppy
[06:30:13] mchou: remember the days of booting linux from floopy?
[06:30:19] mchou: floppy*
[06:30:44] mchou: fatmatt: knoppmyth boots by using isolinux
[06:31:06] mchou: all you need to do is change that to syyslinux and you are done.
[06:31:12] mchou: syslinux*
[06:31:33] fatmatt: righto, that'll give me something to work from. Thanks mchou
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[06:38:23] Mattwj2005: hmmm
[06:39:02] Mattwj2005: I am having some difficulty playing HDTV over Ethernet....on the local hard drive it play okay....
[06:39:18] Mattwj2005: I am guess an Ethernet bandwidth issue
[06:39:30] Hoxzer_: ;) maybe
[06:39:44] Hoxzer_: you have a crappy 10Mbps ethernet Like I do?
[06:39:49] mchou: Mattwj2005: is this LAN or WAN?
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[06:40:02] Mattwj2005: lan of course... 100 Mbps
[06:40:12] Mattwj2005: it plays just not very smoothly
[06:40:22] mchou: then you shouldnt have any bandwidth issues
[06:40:32] mchou: unless you are on wireless
[06:40:44] Mattwj2005: nope wired
[06:40:51] gardengnome: try to share your recordings directory via nfs (and point mythtv-setup to the mount point)
[06:40:59] mchou: or you have a hub instead of a switch :)
[06:41:55] mchou: there aint no way 100mbs would be insufficient for playing 1080i if everything is working properly
[06:42:01] Mattwj2005: nope it should be a switch....nfs is beter?
[06:42:14] Mattwj2005: *better?
[06:42:26] mchou: Mattwj2005: better than what?
[06:42:36] Mattwj2005: than samba
[06:43:18] mchou: nfs probably has less overhead, but I doubt that's your issue
[06:43:25] Mattwj2005: okay
[06:43:45] mchou: I mean smb overhead over nfs is at most 10%
[06:44:07] mchou: aint now way that should be your problem
[06:44:13] mchou: s/now/no
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[06:46:48] gardengnome: on my low end frontend, i found that using nfs was way better than the mythtv protocol
[06:47:20] ** gardengnome overslept again, dammit **
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[06:50:21] LoneShadow: anyone using hauppauge 350 in here ?
[06:50:58] LoneShadow: trying to figure out if I should go for 150 or 350, and if there are any issues with 350's decoder on linux
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[06:53:12] mchou: LoneShadow: if you want to preserve your sanity you should probably go with 150
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[06:53:53] mchou: LoneShadow: 350 decoder is a bit touchy
[06:54:24] mchou: not to mention more expensive than buying 150 + fx5200 :)
[06:54:56] mchou: LoneShadow: where you live?
[06:56:00] xris: LoneShadow: 350 decoder may also get dropped from .20 and later
[06:56:31] mchou: xris: really??
[06:56:43] mchou: xris: why is that?
[06:56:52] xris: no one wants to maintain the code
[06:57:17] xris: no devs have the card
[06:57:26] mchou: xris: is there that much specialized code in myth for 350?
[06:57:30] xris: yeah
[06:57:34] xris: apparently
[06:57:52] mchou: xris: I though Isaac had 350 :)
[06:57:55] xris: the X driver for it may also be taking up some of the slack
[06:57:59] mchou: thought*
[06:58:01] xris: mchou: if he does, he he doesn't use it.
[06:58:28] xris: LoneShadow: get a 150 and an nvidia card like a 5200 or 6200... it'll cost less than a 350 and should look nicer.. plus a LOT less hassle
[06:58:48] LoneShadow: I live in US
[06:58:48] mchou: xris: heh, he is probably using divx with his plextor :)
[06:59:01] mchou: LoneShadow: which city state :)
[06:59:03] xris: mchou: no clue, there.
[06:59:10] LoneShadow: San Jose
[06:59:20] LoneShadow: mchou: why ?
[06:59:20] mchou: LoneShadow: no kidding?
[06:59:37] mchou: I have some 150s for sale, I'm close to ya
[07:00:09] Beirdo: WTF?
[07:00:12] Beirdo: 3am?!
[07:00:14] Beirdo: heh
[07:00:32] Beirdo: anyways, just coded the RSSfeed plugin first run
[07:00:36] Beirdo: I'll test tomorrow
[07:01:14] mchou: LoneShadow: I cant pm atm, but I dont know that person
[07:01:32] LoneShadow: you can use /msg nickname
[07:01:44] mchou: LoneShadow: freenode not letting me register
[07:01:50] LoneShadow: aah
[07:02:56] mchou: LoneShadow: bb in a moment
[07:03:02] LoneShadow: ok
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[07:04:04] Mattwj2005: well nfs I think works a little better
[07:04:27] Mattwj2005: I can play HDTV remotely with VLC, but mythtv doesn't run smoothly :(
[07:05:04] xris: Mattwj2005: turn off deinterlacing in mythtv
[07:05:36] Mattwj2005: okay
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[07:10:10] Mattwj2005: how would I do that?
[07:10:25] Mattwj2005: this is being played through mplayer
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[07:26:11] Hoxzer_: :D my boss put me to copy file which had like 100 pages
[07:26:41] Hoxzer_: funniest thing was that he didn't tell me that .... "you can put these all to the this place so it would copy all of them at once"
[07:26:48] Hoxzer_: luckily I figured it out pretty quicly :D
[07:27:05] Hoxzer_: like I started thinking "there must be some easier way" ;)
[07:27:09] Hoxzer_: and I found it out
[07:40:59] sloncho: hi. how do I record deinterlaced picture. I do not see this option in the recording profile
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[09:18:01] MarshallWalker: am I stil invisitble?
[09:22:02] Merlin83b: I have not visited you.
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[09:26:26] Juski: I see that the broadcast flag is trying to be sneaked in again in the good ole US of A
[09:27:33] Merlin83b: :<
[09:28:00] Juski: contact your senator, who will do his damdest to ignore the lure of cash & actually do what a voter wants
[09:28:12] Juski: @-P
[09:28:32] Merlin83b: Heh.
[09:28:37] ** Juski regrets starting this.. or rather probably will later **
[09:28:46] Juski: anyway.. Morning!
[09:30:23] Merlin83b: Heh, asd26 isn't here so you might get away with it. Morning :-)
[09:30:50] Juski: lol
[09:31:13] Juski: or some Finnish teen grumbling about his lack of a sex life.. hey ho
[09:32:44] mchou: Juski: linky?
[09:32:49] Merlin83b: Heh.
[09:32:53] mchou: Juski: the BF
[09:33:32] Juski: erm.. gimme a sec
[09:33:47] Juski: http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/06/ . . . amp;from=rss
[09:34:22] Juski: I know it's slashbot but hey.. just passing the info on incase any active-minded folks missed it ;-)
[09:34:31] mchou: bah, that's old news
[09:37:20] mchou: But you gotta admire the lobbyists, they keep on trying to sneak it back in
[09:38:22] Juski: well, they've already promised the paymasters they'd bring it in, so I figure any which way is the way they'll go
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[09:44:22] Hoxzer_: "just copy it all again paper is cheap"
[09:44:25] Juski: btw Merlin83b I've been reading up on GAR minimyth some more, looks like I might be able to try a build this weekend. Pablo (dev guy of minimyth) is being a big help too :-)
[09:44:34] Hoxzer_: :D like I copied like 100 pages in the wrong way
[09:44:47] Merlin83b: Excellent.
[09:44:48] Hoxzer_: vaakain had changed durning the processa
[09:44:54] Hoxzer_: :(
[09:45:01] Merlin83b: I've got my eye on an s100 on eBay – still low and ending in a couple of days.
[09:45:07] Hoxzer_: so it printed it in the wrong way
[09:46:42] Juski: Merlin83b: watch it like a hawk & get in during the last minute. Everything I ever won on Ebay was done that way ;-)
[09:47:12] Merlin83b: Yep, known as sniping :-)
[09:47:43] Juski: keeps the shill-bidders on their toes too
[09:48:00] Merlin83b:
[09:48:24] Juski: Check they take paypal or some other method than bank xfer
[09:48:33] Merlin83b: Ends Sunday morning – hopefully people will be asleep :-)
[09:48:40] Merlin83b: Yep – that's one of the reasons I ignored that one the other day.
[09:48:43] Juski: the last one I won ended up costing me £8 more
[09:48:49] Merlin83b: This guy lists postage to .uk and takes paypal.
[09:49:06] Juski: cool. kinda wish I'd waited a bit longer
[09:49:22] Merlin83b: Ah well, you have 2 now!
[09:49:40] Juski: don't actually _have_ two yet.. the payment has yet to clear
[09:50:18] mchou: I dont understand why you guys are all jazzed about the s100
[09:50:24] Juski: bloody banks... scam merchants. £8 for some droid to key in some numbers.. fscking ridiculous
[09:50:39] mchou: I mean the memory is not upgradable.....
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[09:51:37] Juski: mchou: it's juust enough, and the box is cheap – hardly a behemoth. And when HDTV renders them obsolete they'll still have uses
[09:51:44] mchou: Juski: if they couldget away w/o paying you interest they would
[09:52:18] Juski: mchou: I know... it's not about providing somewhere for you to keep money safely they're just in it to make money
[09:52:57] mchou: Juski: what's the going rate for s100 now?
[09:53:16] Juski: mchou: about £30 ish, but it's been creeping up
[09:53:25] mchou: bah
[09:53:37] mchou: that's around US 60
[09:53:38] tuck3r: i'm planing my HDTV OTA MythTV setup and have one question... If i have a powerful backend server could i have a low power frontend, even with HDTV?
[09:53:47] mchou: tuck3r: nope
[09:53:59] Merlin83b: tuck3r: The FE has to be able to decode the HD stream.
[09:54:13] Juski: mchou: cheaper than a micro-atx board & nice looking case though
[09:54:18] mchou: with HDTV you need powerful FE and weak BE :)
[09:54:47] Juski: ...unless you're planning to transcode or do a lot of commercial flagging – then you need both ends to be powerful
[09:55:56] mchou: we have this: http://mirror.toc2rta.com/index.php/Main_Page
[09:56:14] Juski: be nice to see a pc-based embedded box with HDTV decoder sometime soon.. those dreambox guys might be the ones to watch
[09:56:37] Juski: yeh mchou: I looked at getting one of them but the shipping costs to the UK are prohibitive
[09:56:58] tuck3r: on the FE who cards are best nvidia or ati? from what i have read it seems to be nvidia(like most linux things), but how powerful does the video card need to be?
[09:57:32] mchou: tuck3r: fx5200 or better
[09:57:54] mchou: tuck3r: those things are now US$10 after rebates
[09:58:04] tuck3r: i have a ati 9800 and a nvidia 6200 so i should be good
[09:58:34] Juski: I was tempted by the Hauppauge MVP for a slim FE, but they cost twice as much as the s100, and are much less powerful
[09:58:35] mchou: tuck3r: not if your 6200 is "turbocache"
[09:58:48] tuck3r: it's not... :)
[09:59:00] Juski: lucky thing, then ;-)
[10:00:07] mchou: Juski: you have to buy thosethings in bulk to defray shipping costs.
[10:00:27] mchou: you can also recoup by becoming UK "distributor"
[10:00:58] mchou: way better than paying >30# for s100
[10:01:15] tuck3r: i assume a AMD Athlon XP 2600+, 512MB, nvidia 6200 should just be enough for HD
[10:01:38] mchou: tuck3r: CPU is tad light
[10:01:52] mchou: tuck3r: you might have dropped frames
[10:02:03] mchou: for 1080i material
[10:02:07] tuck3r: so it is ALL the cpu?
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[10:02:32] mchou: no, some video card too :)
[10:03:13] mchou: tuck3r: cpus are cheap thse days
[10:03:18] mchou: these*
[10:03:31] mchou: gonna be even cheaper whenconroe comes out
[10:03:47] mchou: in about 1 month
[10:03:51] tuck3r: yeah, i can't wait to pick up a dirt cheap AMD chip
[10:04:47] mchou: tuck3r: which country you live in?
[10:04:48] linagee: 4 8 15 16 23 42
[10:05:06] tuck3r: america ;(
[10:05:06] mchou: linagee: lotto?
[10:05:18] mchou: tuck3r: which state?
[10:05:20] linagee: mchou: guess again
[10:05:32] tuck3r: arizona
[10:05:42] linagee: arizona is a country?
[10:05:50] linagee: :->
[10:05:52] mchou: tuck3r: ok. you gonna luck out in a month or so
[10:06:51] tuck3r: 2 months or so i'm moving in to a new house, with a new HDTV and mythTV system :)
[10:07:17] mchou: linagee: might as well be cause they making all the fuss about the "illegals"
[10:07:19] linagee: tuck3r: the house comes with mythtv? lol
[10:07:29] tuck3r: linagee: that would be cool
[10:07:46] linagee: mchou: that's easy. ever see the little UAV they're going to fly over LA?
[10:07:58] linagee: mchou: just fly those over the border. hahahaha. big brotherness all around.
[10:08:00] mchou: UAV??
[10:08:04] tuck3r: nope
[10:08:22] tuck3r: low flying toy plane with a camera
[10:08:45] mchou: linagee: I didnt hear about this
[10:08:54] linagee: tuck3r: exactly. they could fly those over the border, get a supercomputer to churn the IR sensors, know everything that's going on the border. scary.
[10:09:03] tuck3r: was on digg a few days back
[10:09:11] linagee: slashdot too
[10:09:12] mchou: linagee: LA is gonna fly UAV for what?
[10:09:35] linagee: mchou: police are going to. either to play big brother, or to "catch criminals". your choice.
[10:09:35] tuck3r: spy on people :)
[10:09:46] mchou: lol
[10:09:51] mchou: i lived in LA
[10:10:03] mchou: they used to fly helicopters
[10:10:06] tuck3r: or to "save the children"
[10:10:09] linagee: mchou: the official reason is that the plane can fly 30mph while people can't run that fast on foot. so they will keep tabs on running criminals on the cheap. (cheaper than a helicopter)
[10:10:20] mchou: now hey moving to UAVs?
[10:10:32] mchou: they*
[10:10:39] ** linagee wonders what would happen if you're on a segway. hahahaa. i'm out pacing it!!! :o) **
[10:11:06] linagee: mchou: it's not exactly UAV. it's not entirely autonomous. they can't have it hovering indefinitely. (battery life is like an hour)
[10:11:31] mchou: linagee: LA doesnt care about illegas
[10:11:34] linagee: mchou: but if they could dock them and have it automatically charge, i don't see why they couldn't patrol one area indefinitely automatically. :o)
[10:11:37] mchou: illegals*
[10:11:45] Juski: in the UK we soon won't need police helicopters – they'll be able to see networked feeds of any roadside cctv camera before long. pity they're hanging so much on automatic number plate recognition though – it's not 100% effective (or even 70% apparently)
[10:11:54] mchou: for one thing the border is not that close
[10:12:08] linagee: mchou: now see, it just depends on how much of a criminal you are. if they really don't like you, they'll use all sorts of toys like this to go after you
[10:12:22] mchou: I'd understand if San Diego was doing it.
[10:12:37] ** linagee is in san diego.... **
[10:12:47] ** linagee does not want big brother here. keep it in LA, thank you. :-P **
[10:12:50] tuck3r: just think small UAV + mythTV = skyTV :)
[10:12:55] mchou: but LA they are just trying to keep the gangs under control
[10:13:14] linagee: tuck3r: small UAV + big computer brain to crunch all the numbers and derive 3d scenes = big brother.
[10:13:26] Juski: tuck3r: SkyTV is already in the UK :-P
[10:13:31] tuck3r: skynet anybody?
[10:13:45] linagee: tuck3r: don't you mean skynet? (from terminator)
[10:13:57] tuck3r: yeah, i mean that now, not before
[10:14:10] mchou: arnie is governor, too
[10:14:12] linagee: tuck3r: jinx. :)
[10:14:21] linagee: mchou: hilarious! he can be our governator.
[10:14:24] linagee: :o)
[10:14:27] tuck3r: rofl
[10:14:45] mchou: linagee: only if he gets re-elected
[10:14:52] linagee: <arnie voice> i must go back in time and stop this from happening! i will be back! </arnie>
[10:15:00] mchou: linagee: not a sure thing at this moment in time
[10:15:33] ** linagee does not really like governator though. he's too right wing and doesn't like gays. **
[10:15:41] mchou: lol
[10:15:45] linagee: ?
[10:15:55] linagee: seriously. /me votes for the other guy. whoever it is.
[10:15:59] mchou: and you live in San Diego and complain about "right wing??"
[10:16:09] linagee: mchou: what's wrong with san diego?
[10:16:14] tuck3r: linagee, if it is bush?
[10:16:16] mchou: San Diego is a Repug town
[10:16:27] linagee: mchou: not at all. never been in hillcrest i take it
[10:16:44] mchou: linagee: rest of CA is Democratic :)
[10:17:06] mchou: hillcrest doesnt amount to a hill of beans in a sea of red
[10:18:09] mchou: nor does La Jolla, for that matter
[10:19:02] tuck3r: do you guys have a favorite HD card?
[10:19:08] linagee: what's with la jolla?
[10:19:23] linagee: UCSD?
[10:19:47] mchou: linagee: yup
[10:20:06] linagee: mchou: UCSD has a pretty hot waterpolo team
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[10:20:30] mchou: linagee: you mean female water polo?
[10:20:42] linagee: mchou: i think you're thinking about the wrong team. ;-)
[10:21:18] mchou: linagee: huh??
[10:21:52] ** linagee likes guys, not gurls. :-P **
[10:22:04] mchou: linagee: bah
[10:22:09] linagee: bah?
[10:23:27] Juski: irrelevant
[10:24:49] linagee: spaceballs: ludacrisp speed!!
[10:24:58] mchou: it's really too bad San Diego is such a red town
[10:25:12] mchou: otherwise it might actually be nice to live there
[10:25:43] linagee: mchou: i'm too dug in to move to SF or some place cool like that. besides, it's just as freakin expensive to live there.
[10:25:53] mchou: lol
[10:26:05] linagee: wtf is with the expensive housing
[10:26:07] mchou: San Diego is more expensive than San Fran
[10:26:16] linagee: mchou: not really. they're around the same.
[10:26:56] tuck3r: is OTA HD mpeg2 or 4?
[10:27:03] mchou: I read a survey that San Diego/LA has surpassed San Fran in cost of living a few years ago
[10:27:37] mchou: tuck3r: mp2
[10:27:39] Juski: tuck3r: mpeg2
[10:27:48] Juski: god help yous if the wind changes though :-P
[10:28:07] mchou: Juski: wind?
[10:28:11] tuck3r: so XvMC should help with the slower processor it seems
[10:28:14] linagee: mchou: gas is still too expensive too. don't think for a second that $3.05 or whatever is cheap, or that price is gonna shoot right back to $3.50
[10:28:20] mchou: Juski: what you talking about?
[10:28:36] Juski: not that they're gonna move to h.264 anytime soon
[10:28:52] mchou: linagee: whats going price of gas in SD now?
[10:28:59] Juski: peeps with 4Ghz CPUs can't decode HD in h.264 over here
[10:29:09] mchou: linagee: regular 89 octane
[10:29:12] linagee: mchou: i just bought for $3.1x
[10:29:16] linagee: something like that
[10:29:28] linagee: mchou: 89?? aren't you a fancy pants rich person.
[10:29:31] mchou: 3.09 today
[10:29:33] Juski: three dollars a gallon?!
[10:29:41] linagee: mchou: why did you get 89?
[10:29:42] mchou: in SF
[10:29:47] linagee: Juski: and that's CHEAP.
[10:29:49] Juski: A fucking GALLON?!
[10:29:56] linagee: Juski: it was almost at $4.00 just a few weeks ago.
[10:30:00] mchou: linagee: why not?
[10:30:21] linagee: Juski: more expensive than gold. hah
[10:30:29] mchou: you pay more for less gass the higher octanes (additives)
[10:30:31] linagee: mchou: why not 87
[10:30:41] Juski: you wanna know how much petrol (gas) costs here?
[10:30:46] Juski: almost £1 a LITRE
[10:31:06] tuck3r: uh somebody convert that to american :P
[10:31:12] linagee: Juski: how many is that in USD dollars per gallon
[10:31:15] linagee: tuck3r: lol
[10:31:27] Juski: do you even know where Europe is? :-P
[10:31:38] tuck3r: somewhere south of me
[10:31:41] linagee: Juski: on the other side of the world.
[10:31:48] tuck3r: oh wait that is mexico
[10:31:58] mchou: linagee: that's about $9/gal
[10:32:09] linagee: mchou: did you ask google?
[10:32:12] mchou: no
[10:32:19] mchou: "units"
[10:32:20] linagee: then how can you be sure? :-P
[10:32:22] Merlin83b: It's about $6.65
[10:32:28] tuck3r: Juski: i have been to italy, didn't step foot in a car the whole time
[10:32:33] mchou: Merlin83b: huh???
[10:32:46] linagee: Juski: we like our gasoline cheap and our sex easy. :)
[10:32:51] Juski: oh, so now we're only paying twice as much as the americans for fuel – god things must be bad
[10:32:51] mchou: Merlin83b: where did you get that figure?
[10:32:54] Merlin83b: 96p per litre, using today's exchange rate is $6.65 per USG.
[10:32:57] linagee: or wait. that last part i just made up. :->
[10:33:01] Merlin83b: From being able to do simple maths.
[10:33:19] Merlin83b: Juski: We were paying a lot more.
[10:33:23] mchou: Merlin83b: where did you get the exchange rate?
[10:33:26] Merlin83b: xe.com
[10:33:38] Merlin83b: Current mid market rate.
[10:33:57] linagee: Juski: are there many refineries in other countries?
[10:34:24] mchou: Merlin83b: your figures are WRONG
[10:34:34] Juski: linagee: we have plenty refineries over here. 75% or more of the fuel price we pay is duty to the government
[10:34:36] Merlin83b: If you say so.
[10:35:02] linagee: Juski: we have to pay extra tax too so they can serve up the special "california blend" of gas.
[10:35:10] Juski: at least under the new world order everything will even out ;-)
[10:35:16] mchou: According to xe.com 1GPB=US$1.8
[10:35:23] mchou: Merlin83b: ^^^
[10:35:27] linagee: Juski: oh, and $3/gal is cheap. the rest of the nation is still enjoying a $2.xx/gal or something like that.
[10:35:27] Merlin83b: Yes....
[10:35:40] mchou: there are 4.5 l in one gallon
[10:35:41] linagee: Juski: new world order...??
[10:35:44] Merlin83b: No.
[10:35:50] Merlin83b: US gallons are not Imperial gallons
[10:36:02] linagee: how many ferlongs to a fortnight? lol
[10:36:32] linagee: US gallon is like a gallon of milk. :->
[10:37:20] linagee: litre is like a litre of soda. :->
[10:37:41] Juski: http://www.see-search.com/business/fuelandpetrolpriceseurope.htm
[10:37:42] mchou: Merlin83b: ok, so US gallons are not imperial gallons
[10:37:58] linagee: (the reason we measure soda and alcohol in litres and milk in gallons goes beyond my comprehension... :-> (
[10:38:01] linagee: )
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[10:38:40] linagee: sorry, milk and gasoline. :)
[10:39:19] linagee: we just like to have a mixed number of units. so you really can't compare volume of one thing to another. keeps things interesting. lol. yes, that's the reaon.
[10:39:22] linagee: reason
[10:39:53] Merlin83b: mchou: And if you do the sums, you end up with $6.65 per gallon for our fuel.
[10:40:05] mchou: Merlin83b: sure.
[10:40:21] mchou: Merlin83b: units lied to me about gallons
[10:40:24] mchou: :)
[10:40:25] linagee: Merlin83b: we have more "soccer moms" driving gas hungry SUVs, what did you expect? :->
[10:40:44] Merlin83b: You also don't pay (as Juski said) 75% or more of the price of your fuel to the government.
[10:40:45] linagee: mchou: should have used google
[10:40:54] Merlin83b: It's all silly compared to the price of avgas anyway :-)
[10:41:02] linagee: avgas?
[10:41:09] mchou: aviation
[10:41:10] Merlin83b: Aviation fuel.
[10:41:14] linagee: oic
[10:41:18] mchou: jet fuel
[10:41:21] linagee: yes
[10:41:25] Merlin83b: Not jet fual.
[10:41:29] Merlin83b: Erm, fuel.
[10:41:39] linagee: jet fuel is even more concentrated and expensive.
[10:41:42] Merlin83b: Jet fuel is Jet A-1.
[10:41:47] Merlin83b: Jet fuel is dirt cheap.
[10:41:59] mchou: what's gas consumptin of a motocycle, roughly?
[10:42:14] linagee: Merlin83b: so why don't they put jet engines on personal planes? :->
[10:42:20] mchou: miles/gal or km/l
[10:42:23] Merlin83b: linagee: Many reasons :-)
[10:42:32] linagee: mchou: you could get a high mpg on a motorcycle.
[10:42:40] tuck3r: you can get a small jet for 3 millon or so
[10:42:41] mchou: linagee: I need numbers
[10:42:43] linagee: mchou: but you risk your life on the road more.
[10:42:54] linagee: mchou: maybe 60mpg or higher i'd guesstimate?
[10:42:55] Merlin83b: tuck3r: Or you can pay a lot less than that for a second hand Citation or similar.
[10:43:06] Juski: a lot more. have you seen the way people in cars drive?
[10:43:29] linagee: Merlin83b: get rid of all properller planes, put jets in place instead.
[10:43:37] mchou: no joke, I got run over on my bike just a few days ago.
[10:43:43] Merlin83b: linagee: No thanks. Running costs would go through the roof for some of us.
[10:43:44] tuck3r: Merlin83b: yeah, if i ever get a good job i want to learn to fly
[10:44:02] linagee: tuck3r: you can get a small properller plane for like USD $50,000 i think.
[10:44:09] linagee: (used)
[10:44:18] Merlin83b: linagee: Less than that, but syndicates are the way to go.
[10:44:49] linagee: Merlin83b: i'm sure you might find a deal at $10,000 or $20,000 for something old and crappy. :)
[10:44:51] mchou: Merlin83b: syndicates? you a member of the Sopranos crime familia?
[10:45:01] tuck3r: Merlin83b: i take it your a pilot?
[10:45:14] Merlin83b: linagee: It's like how long is a piece of string. You can spend whatever you want.
[10:45:35] Merlin83b: mchou: Heh. As in a group of pilots getting together to share the costs of buying and owning an aircraft.
[10:45:38] Merlin83b: tuck3r: Yes.
[10:45:58] ** linagee is not a pilot, but my pilot friend let me have the wheel for a few seconds in a single prop. damn is it scary! it feels like you're balacing on a tight rope. **
[10:46:04] mchou: Merlin83b: how much does insurance cost / yr?
[10:46:20] Merlin83b: linagee: Heh, it takes a bit of getting the hang of bu the flying is the easy part :-)
[10:46:31] Merlin83b:
[10:46:52] linagee: Merlin83b: he was part of one of those flying clubs as well.
[10:47:00] mchou: Merlin83b: that's not too bad
[10:47:01] linagee: Merlin83b: it's like a time share, but for aircraft.
[10:47:08] Merlin83b: linagee: Exactly.
[10:47:24] linagee: Merlin83b: plus you have maintence fees of when you fly it, gas, runway taxes. little odds and ends. :)
[10:47:27] Merlin83b: mchou: Yeah it's okay. It's just what it costs, really. All built into what we pay into the group.
[10:47:35] tuck3r: planes fly them selves, landing is the hard part, but i hear the new airbus's and gulfstreams can land themselves also
[10:47:47] Merlin83b:
[10:48:21] mchou: that's actually not too bad
[10:48:22] Merlin83b: tuck3r: Not only the new ones. The first to do it was the HS125, 30 or so years ago. You've probably been on an airliner while it's done a full autoland.
[10:48:30] mchou: cheaper than sailing
[10:48:47] tuck3r: Merlin83b: i was told that it is not allowed my the FAA
[10:48:55] Juski: bah. if we wanna save the planet we have to stop flying planes. oh. saving the planet is gonna cost money? fuck that for a game of soldiers then
[10:48:58] Merlin83b: tuck3r: You were lied to. It's used every day.
[10:49:12] linagee: Merlin83b: flying is much different than driving. while driving, you might pay attention to one or two gauges to see how you are doing. maybe speed and rpm. or speed and fuel. in a plane, you have to constantly be looking at like five gauges. lol.
[10:49:27] tuck3r: up to 50 feet they have to turn it off was what i was told
[10:49:28] mchou: Merlin83b: then why do we still need pilots? :)
[10:49:30] Merlin83b: linagee: I know :-)
[10:49:38] linagee: Merlin83b: lol. it's very very different.
[10:49:43] linagee: Merlin83b: was fun.
[10:49:47] Merlin83b: tuck3r: You were lied to. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autoland
[10:49:53] Juski: linagee: yeah but... you don't have to watch out for the wanker who's gonna cut you up while you're in the air;-)
[10:50:00] mchou: Merlin83b: then why do we still need pilots? :)
[10:50:08] linagee: Juski: that's another thing. you have to watch out for wanker jet planes. lol
[10:50:19] Merlin83b: mchou: These days the job of a commercial pilot is very much to monitor the systems and let the autopilot do the flying. A lot have to give written reports if they turn it off at any point.
[10:50:39] linagee: Juski: you have air traffic control, but you really have to look out for yourself in such a small plane that's only up at like 4,000 ft.
[10:50:47] linagee: (nfi what that is in meters. :P)
[10:50:55] tuck3r: Merlin83b: lol, ever read airframe?
[10:50:56] Merlin83b: We use feet for altitude.
[10:51:00] Merlin83b: tuck3r: Nopw.
[10:51:04] linagee: Merlin83b: in europeland??
[10:51:07] tuck3r: heh, good book
[10:51:14] Merlin83b: linagee: Western Europe, yes.
[10:51:22] linagee: Merlin83b: you use meters for everything, but feet for altitude? that's crazy! :(
[10:51:45] ** linagee would get confused **
[10:51:47] tuck3r: i blame america
[10:51:48] Merlin83b: Aviation is the best. We use nautical miles, kilometres, feet, millbars and degrees every flight.
[10:52:05] Juski: whats the diff between nm & m ?
[10:52:09] Merlin83b: Oh, also metres for runway length.
[10:52:16] Merlin83b: Juski: nm are a bit longer.
[10:52:18] linagee: Merlin83b: use radians! that would be fun. ROFL. :-)
[10:52:24] Juski: why the difference?
[10:52:29] Merlin83b: Oh, and knots or mph depending on the aircraft you're flying.
[10:52:34] linagee: please turn exactly 3.14 radians! :o)
[10:52:59] Merlin83b: Juski: nm is a good measurement – based on lines of latitude. miles are probably how far a kind could see or something.
[10:53:07] linagee: Merlin83b: airspeed is all relative. mph is basically an estimate. :)
[10:53:08] mchou: Merlin83b: so flying is easier than driving
[10:53:38] Merlin83b: mchou: It's different. Parts of it are a lot harder, but once you're in the cruise there's very little to do but enjoy the view.
[10:53:38] mchou: Merlin83b: cause Stanford just won the driving grand challenge :)
[10:53:42] linagee: mchou: you have to make sure you're level in the air if it's not your intention to be turning or crashing. you don't have to do that in a car. :)
[10:54:28] mchou: linagee: no, my point was they've only automated cars just last year
[10:54:39] linagee: mchou: who has automated cars....?
[10:54:43] linagee: and where
[10:54:46] tuck3r: volvo does
[10:54:49] linagee: ???
[10:54:51] mchou: and it was not even a "success"
[10:54:55] ** linagee has never seen an "automated car" **
[10:55:03] Merlin83b: Current research stuff.
[10:55:04] Hoxzer_: I hate segfaulting
[10:55:07] tuck3r: volvo has them in testing
[10:55:12] Hoxzer_: How do I fix it?
[10:55:12] linagee: mchou: i wouldn't imagine the first of something like that would do very good.
[10:55:22] Juski: like I said earlier, there are fewer obstacles to deal with in the air.. if you just set a car on a straight line course, it'd be easy to maintain if there were no other cars to avoid
[10:55:25] linagee: tuck3r: wtf? everyone has had automated cars in testing for the past decade or three.
[10:55:29] Merlin83b: It's hardly the first. Attempts have been made for years.
[10:55:35] linagee: exactly.
[10:55:38] tuck3r: linagee: they work
[10:55:39] linagee: at least since the 90s.
[10:55:50] mchou: Merlin83b: attempts do not equate to success
[10:56:07] Merlin83b: mchou: Indeed, this is just the latest attempt at it.
[10:56:14] tuck3r: and the same tech is in production volvo cars
[10:56:14] linagee: you'd want so many backup systems in an automated car, it's not even funny.
[10:56:17] ** Juski smiles as he remembers the tale of the guy who bought an RV, drove off then went to the back to make a cup of coffee **
[10:56:25] Merlin83b: Heh.
[10:56:29] tuck3r: it just doesn't take over tho just warns you
[10:56:36] Juski: 'cruise control'?!
[10:56:39] mchou: tuck3r: volvo wasnt even in the competition
[10:56:40] linagee: you need more feedback systems in a car than in a plane.
[10:56:51] mchou: tuck3r: volkwagon was
[10:57:03] tuck3r: wait darpa?
[10:57:06] Juski: anyway as fascinating as all this is, I have to go into town & make something of my day off
[10:57:08] linagee: tuck3r: you mean that adaptive cruise control thing? slows down/speeds up? (using radar or something)
[10:57:19] mchou: tuck3r: darpa grand challenge, yes
[10:57:22] tuck3r: linagee: something like that
[10:57:31] Merlin83b: Juski: S100! Make the distro!
[10:57:39] Merlin83b: MiniS100 by the end of the day!
[10:57:48] tuck3r: linagee: if your not going to stop before you hit something it slows you down more
[10:57:57] tuck3r: and flashes a light
[10:58:01] Merlin83b: tuck3r: Mercedes were the people that did that one first.
[10:58:07] Merlin83b: And then demonstrated it failing :-)
[10:58:08] linagee: tuck3r: it would be great if they made it a requirement to have an automated car to use the freeway.
[10:58:13] tuck3r: Merlin83b: you win
[10:58:19] Merlin83b: Later revealed to be because the driver forgot to turn it on.
[10:58:37] linagee: Merlin83b: exactly. thick fog.
[10:58:53] linagee: Merlin83b: like i said, they need MANY backup systems.
[10:59:02] Merlin83b: Probably available on google video or youtube.
[10:59:06] tuck3r: we need VFR and IFR for driving :P
[10:59:11] Merlin83b: Heh.
[10:59:14] linagee: Merlin83b: if anything, all systems should always fail over to, WAKE UP THE DRIVER! GET THEM BACK DRIVING AGAIN! HURRY!
[10:59:22] Merlin83b: Vehicle follow road/I follow road.
[10:59:29] linagee: tuck3r: it's called GPS.
[10:59:32] tuck3r: you have to have a ILS car to drive in IFR conditions
[10:59:40] linagee: tuck3r: use DGPS and you can have cars positioned to within the inch.
[10:59:50] mchou: lol
[10:59:57] tuck3r: linagee: your still going to hit something
[11:00:10] linagee: tuck3r: of course you want to combine that with an optical system. like i said, you need MANY feedback sensors.
[11:00:10] mchou: there aint now way gps is fast enough
[11:00:19] linagee: mchou: sure there is. with DGPS.
[11:00:21] mchou: s/now/no
[11:00:28] tuck3r: or just get a plane
[11:00:29] linagee: mchou: and besides. then fix it. or they will.
[11:00:41] mchou: linagee: I dont care differntiated or not
[11:00:45] Hoxzer_: http://pastebin.de/7874 <- do u guys think this might be because my mysql database version is only 4.0.24?
[11:01:05] linagee: mchou: so fix it. or eventually they will. if you have an idea, sell it. someone eventually will and probably already has though. :)
[11:01:21] Merlin83b: Hoxzer_: What's the problem there?
[11:01:22] tuck3r: the skys are safer than the roads because there is less idiots
[11:01:35] Hoxzer_: Merlin83b: it crashes
[11:01:39] Hoxzer_: Merlin83b: while recording
[11:01:48] linagee: mchou: it's like you're saying, "GPS won't work". the technology on triangulation is sound. just use another frequency or road beacons or somehow get a faster GPS lock, or whatever.
[11:01:49] Merlin83b: tuck3r: Ah the joyous big sky theory. It's led to a few collisions and near misses.
[11:01:51] Hoxzer_: Merlin83b: why? WHY OH WHY why does it segfault :(
[11:02:03] Merlin83b: Hoxzer_: Ah, missed the segfault.
[11:02:09] Hoxzer_: ;)
[11:02:13] mchou: linagee: no, that's not the point
[11:02:16] Merlin83b: No idea, what version are you running.
[11:02:26] mchou: gps has 400ms latency
[11:02:30] tuck3r: Merlin83b: no, i just said there are less idiots
[11:02:31] Hoxzer_: Merlin83b: compiled from svn 0.19-fixes :((
[11:02:34] linagee: mchou: wrong.
[11:02:37] linagee: mchou: very wrong
[11:02:38] Hoxzer_: Merlin83b: like few days ago
[11:02:40] mchou: by that time you've killed somebody
[11:02:48] Merlin83b: Hoxzer_: Tried getting new since then?
[11:02:48] linagee: mchou: CURRENT gps has 400ms. :-P
[11:02:55] Merlin83b: Did a make distclean?
[11:02:57] linagee: mchou: like i said, things change.
[11:02:58] Merlin83b: Installed everything right?
[11:03:00] ** Merlin83b is guessing. **
[11:03:05] mchou: linagee: dont be ridiculous
[11:03:09] linagee: mchou: ???
[11:03:17] Hoxzer_: Merlin83b: :disclean? nooooo
[11:03:19] Merlin83b: GPS won't change, but Galileo is meant to solve that one.
[11:03:24] Hoxzer_: svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-19-fixes/mythtv
[11:03:24] mchou: it take time for em waves to get to satellite
[11:03:31] Hoxzer_: is this right place to compile it from?
[11:03:34] linagee: mchou: you have tons of satellites up there. don't tell me there's no way to use more than 3 of them to get a faster lock if you're also using ground based beacons installed in the road or something.
[11:03:42] mchou: linagee: lol
[11:03:54] Merlin83b: Hoxzer_: Yeah, but if you're checking out over an existing checkout you should be using update...
[11:03:56] linagee: mchou: they will find a way.
[11:04:05] mchou: linagee: I'm talking line of sigt to one satellite
[11:04:09] linagee: mchou: or you can invent a way. either way. it's an eventuallity. :-P
[11:04:11] tuck3r: this is going to be the next airbag
[11:04:14] mchou: never mind 3
[11:04:19] tuck3r: kill as many as it saves
[11:04:35] Merlin83b: Heh, only in places daft enough not to wear seatbelts :-)
[11:04:36] Hoxzer_: Merlin83b: :) I did
[11:04:41] Hoxzer_: svn update
[11:04:55] tuck3r: Merlin83b: you must mean america :0
[11:04:55] Merlin83b: Hoxzer_: Then it may be worth a make distclean before you make.
[11:05:02] Merlin83b: tuck3r: Yes.
[11:05:06] Hoxzer_: Merlin83b: how and what does it do?
[11:05:09] linagee: mchou: and if the system can still see the road sensors? and if the system has an optical system as well to see things in the road?
[11:05:24] linagee: mchou: and if the system has a radar system as well to detect distance and see things in the road?
[11:05:28] Merlin83b: Hoxzer_: Clean stuff out. I don't know why it helps but sometimes it doeS!
[11:05:35] linagee: mchou: sure you're going to need one powerful computer to process all this, at first.
[11:05:39] mchou: linagee: then why would you need gps?
[11:05:59] tuck3r: mchou: you know a car with all this is going to have gps
[11:06:04] linagee: mchou: as a backup. like i said, you will not have enough sources of feedback with an automated car. you will need TONS of sources.
[11:06:14] Hoxzer_: Merlin83b: so u sugges -> distclean -> recompile mythtv
[11:06:23] Merlin83b: Hoxzer_: Yep.
[11:06:27] Hoxzer_: :O
[11:06:27] mchou: linagee: a backup that kills is no backup
[11:06:34] linagee: mchou: wtf. yes it is.
[11:06:38] Merlin83b: Hoxzer_: Such is the fun of svn :-)
[11:06:53] ** tuck3r hugs gentoo **
[11:06:56] linagee: mchou: a backup does not have to stay up 100% of the time.
[11:07:07] mchou: linagee: 400ms latency is guaranteed kill
[11:07:20] linagee: mchou: you keep quoting numbers and not listening.
[11:07:25] tuck3r: how about we use the driver as a backup?
[11:07:27] mchou: lol
[11:07:34] linagee: tuck3r: uhm. i already said that. :-P
[11:07:47] linagee: tuck3r: i said, you can use the driver as a handle all exception.
[11:07:54] mchou: linagee: the whole point of automation is to free the driver
[11:08:13] linagee: tuck3r: in case EVERYTHING else fails, just wake the driver like crazy. if that fails, send out some sort of distress beacon.
[11:08:25] mchou: i.e. the driver is gonna to be even MORE stupid
[11:08:36] tuck3r: yeah tell the other cars to get teh fuck away
[11:08:50] linagee: lol. actually, yes.
[11:08:50] mchou: tuck3r: you guys are funny
[11:08:57] linagee: tuck3r: flash those emergencies lights too.
[11:09:07] mchou: tuck3r: I'll just "drive" with my sirens on all the time
[11:09:17] tuck3r: haha
[11:09:19] linagee: "help. i'm a dead car. i lost all my signals and my cpu is busted. my driver won't wake."
[11:09:25] linagee: lol
[11:09:53] tuck3r: i say we all move to europe and use mass transit
[11:10:40] linagee: tuck3r: what about places where the streets are so fscked up, they can't dig tunnels for mass transit? :) i guess there's trolleys. which SD has. but nothing underground. :(
[11:11:17] tuck3r: trains, busses(flower powerd) and other ways
[11:11:47] linagee: tuck3r: google maps needs to start doing it's trip planner thing again.
[11:11:58] linagee: they only did it for one city which nobody lives in. that sucks.
[11:12:09] tuck3r: yeah, i don't live in portland
[11:12:10] mchou: linagee: huh??
[11:12:15] linagee: tuck3r: that thing. yup.
[11:12:21] tuck3r: google trip planner
[11:12:27] tuck3r: (portland olny)
[11:12:28] Hoxzer_: recompiling mythtv
[11:12:30] mchou: linagee: what is this trip planner?
[11:12:33] linagee: tuck3r: nobody lives in portland. i have some dead beat cousins that live in portland, but that's about it.
[11:12:47] mchou: I used to live in Portland
[11:12:59] mchou: they town has no redeeming features
[11:13:01] tuck3r: you plan a trip all on public transit
[11:13:04] linagee: mchou: it shows you how many minutes it would take to use mass transit. it finds you a route.
[11:13:12] linagee: mchou: also does a cost comparison.
[11:13:16] mchou: linagee: ok
[11:13:19] linagee: http://www.google.com/transit
[11:13:25] tuck3r: buss to subway to bus wtc
[11:13:39] tuck3r: "Unfortunately, Google Transit doesn't currently support your web browser—but we're working on it! For the list of browsers we currently support, please see the Google Transit FAQ."
[11:13:43] tuck3r: that blows
[11:13:49] mchou: linagee: that's cause portland has simple mass transit compared to most other cities
[11:14:13] linagee: mchou: google has programmers. i even submitted the link for my city! they are too lazy. :(
[11:14:29] mchou: portland doesnt have more than 3 trolley lines
[11:14:33] tuck3r: they have to work out deals with the city
[11:14:36] linagee: "Currently, we only offer transit planning for the Portland, Oregon metro area, but we plan to expand to cities in the country and around the world"
[11:14:48] linagee: tuck3r: work out deals? heck no. just scrape the info from the sites.
[11:15:00] tuck3r: they would kill them
[11:15:06] linagee: tuck3r: google already scrapes info from sites for it's search engine. i don't see how it's any different. :)
[11:15:16] linagee: google can do anything they want. :)
[11:15:40] tuck3r: still i think they want better data than the public website
[11:15:41] mchou: linagee: it's differnent cause you have to perform route optimization
[11:16:01] linagee: mchou: which is what makes it so cool. :)
[11:16:06] mchou: scraping wont be enough
[11:16:17] linagee: it would be neat to fill in the gaps with taxi trips too. :)
[11:16:26] mchou: lol
[11:16:29] linagee: make it like a walking expedia where you can book the taxi trips too with a single click. :)
[11:16:42] Hoxzer_: doing make install..
[11:16:45] mchou: forget about it
[11:16:45] Hoxzer_: ;/
[11:16:54] mchou: linagee: forget about it
[11:17:01] linagee: mchou: that would make google evil?
[11:17:05] Hoxzer_: sooon I will do /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start
[11:17:12] Hoxzer_: and try record something
[11:17:20] mchou: takes longer for the cab to meet you tan for you to rent a car
[11:17:25] mchou: than*
[11:17:36] linagee: mchou: huh? what if it was planned. the cab could be there waiting.
[11:17:49] linagee: mchou: it could be called out at just the right time to make it there to meet you
[11:17:55] mchou: linagee: no cabbie is gonna wait for a fare
[11:18:22] mchou: they goona pick up the first fare they get
[11:18:33] linagee: mchou: maybe in a city
[11:18:45] linagee: mchou: outside of the city, you can call cabs to take you from A to B
[11:19:12] linagee: they DO charge an arm + leg, but this would all be worked out in the optimization routine. :)
[11:20:34] linagee: mchou: that would be cool to become a google node to google mass transit. like, you could rent out a bike from your house, and it's turned back into another house. lol. i know there would be problems. let me have my utopian dream. :-P
[11:20:58] mchou: linagee: that's called Amsterdam
[11:21:04] linagee: lol
[11:21:29] tuck3r: mmm weed
[11:21:36] linagee: tuck3r: ?
[11:22:04] tuck3r: amsterdam
[11:22:43] linagee: it would be nice to use google transit and still be able to claim the standard IRS mileage deduction! mmmm! money!
[11:22:56] tuck3r: mmmm green
[11:23:06] linagee: shoot you would make bank. :)
[11:23:25] linagee: $2 for a bus ticket, $20 for deduction. :)
[11:23:35] tuck3r: or just lose less "bank" :P
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[11:26:28] ** linagee is interested in what other ways you can get yourself to point A to point B without driving a standard car and still getting the deduction. does a bike count? bus? segway? rented car? hrm... **
[11:26:42] tuck3r: i want a segway :(
[11:26:48] linagee: airplane? jet pack? :)
[11:27:02] mchou: linagee: I dont get it
[11:27:24] mchou: linagee: mileage deduction is based on your car mileage......
[11:27:35] mchou: if you dont drive, there is no deduction
[11:27:41] linagee: mchou: mileage deducation is based on the miles of travel you do for the business.
[11:27:44] linagee: mchou: business miles.
[11:27:51] tuck3r: find a loophole?
[11:27:54] linagee: mchou: you can't count doing personal chores or something.
[11:27:58] mchou: yeah, but in your car
[11:28:08] linagee: mchou: what is a car
[11:28:12] linagee: mchou: does a motorcycle count?
[11:28:18] linagee: etc. now you see the gray. :)
[11:28:36] linagee: because then you could say, does a segway count? does regular walking count?
[11:28:41] mchou: linagee: substitute "gas guzzling vehicle"
[11:28:50] linagee: mchou: this is true too
[11:29:02] linagee: mchou: in most cases, you just go to the poor house if you try to do that long term
[11:29:26] linagee: mchou: people don't drive SUVs if they travel for their business unless they REALLY have to. hah
[11:29:53] mchou: linagee: the tax deduction are WHY SUV are popular
[11:30:00] linagee: huh?
[11:30:01] mchou: SUVs
[11:30:17] ** tuck3r agrees with mchou **
[11:30:26] linagee: mchou: you don't get a higher deducation just because you drive a gas guzzler....
[11:30:39] mchou: ppl use the tax deduction to buy a bigger vehicle than they would othereise afford
[11:31:10] tuck3r: hummer anybody?
[11:31:14] mchou: every notice all those mom and pop business places driving SUVs?
[11:31:14] linagee: mchou: but why not buy a more economical vehicle and pocket the difference or take less of a hit on the difference? (depending on insurance/service/etc)
[11:31:22] linagee: tuck3r: right now? right here? :->
[11:31:43] tuck3r: over in calli you would go broke on the gas proces
[11:31:46] tuck3r: prices
[11:31:52] linagee: tuck3r: exactly.
[11:31:56] linagee: that's why i say that
[11:32:08] linagee: mileage does not change near fast enough to keep up with gas price increases.
[11:32:10] tuck3r: go move to iran :P
[11:32:17] linagee: in most cases, it's burning a hole in my pocket! :(
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[11:32:19] mchou: linagee: ever notice realtors always driving Suvs?
[11:32:28] linagee: mchou: not really. i live in california...
[11:32:38] mchou: linagee: so do I
[11:32:50] linagee: mchou: i still don't uinderstand.
[11:32:53] mchou: I see realtors all the time driving SUVs
[11:33:09] mchou: hell, local pizza delivery drive Hummers, no joke
[11:33:12] tuck3r: write off!
[11:33:28] linagee: mchou: i drive a pretty nice car, but it's very economical too...
[11:33:29] Hoxzer_: Merlin83b: ok, running test
[11:33:56] tuck3r: shit, QT takes _forever_ to compile
[11:34:36] linagee: mchou: no, it's not a hybrid.
[11:34:45] Hoxzer_: tuck3r: what version are u compiling?
[11:34:53] tuck3r: 4.1.2
[11:34:55] mchou: linagee: you know anyone that owns a ford F150 that doesnt make use of the tax deduction?
[11:34:57] linagee: mchou: i'm actually wishing now i got one though. paying 1/3 for the same amount of gas i've already paid for would have been nice.,
[11:34:58] Hoxzer_: :O
[11:35:08] Hoxzer_: is myhttv compitable with 4.1.2?
[11:35:18] tuck3r: uh, no idea
[11:35:28] tuck3r: just checking out the backend
[11:35:38] linagee: mchou: i have to haul around lots of boxes and stuff regularly. a truck might be nice, but i can fit it in a car too...
[11:35:48] Hoxzer_: "NOTE: MythTV is not compatible with QT v4.0 or above.
[11:35:53] Hoxzer_: :( no it isn't
[11:35:59] Hoxzer_: http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0- . . . ythtv/README
[11:36:06] mchou: linagee: that's the standard excuse for ppl getting SUVs
[11:36:16] tuck3r: gentoo might have a patch?
[11:36:44] mchou: linagee: they'd be better off renting SUVs for the few times out of the year that they did haul boxes/furniture, etc
[11:37:02] linagee: mchou: but what if i'm not always hauling boxes. what if i have to change jobs? an SUV would just become a gasoline black hole. do people not think this much into the future?
[11:37:07] mchou: linagee: that NEVER occurs to ppl
[11:37:36] linagee: mchou: i am finding out now, it's HARD to change cars.
[11:37:47] tuck3r: 90% of people driving SUVs are idiots
[11:38:01] mchou: tuck3r: no argument from me
[11:38:15] mchou: tuck3r: but you know why they do it, right?
[11:38:19] linagee: mchou: 1) you get attached to all the labor of cleaning you put into it. 2) you lose money when you pay back the loan. 3) you have to pay more money for the down payment on the new car.
[11:38:32] mchou: tuck3r: they want to "dominate"
[11:38:37] tuck3r: to feel powerful
[11:38:39] tuck3r: or that
[11:39:03] linagee: tuck3r: i can have a dominating powerful attitude without having to waste gasoline (and gasoline monies)
[11:39:13] mchou: tuck3r: you ever notice that there are more women who drive SUVs then men?
[11:39:22] tuck3r: soccer moms :)
[11:39:24] linagee: tuck3r: my car has 160HP. i get 24mpg.
[11:39:24] tuck3r: so yeah
[11:39:54] tuck3r: linagee: is that "real mpg" or "epa mpg"?
[11:39:58] linagee: tuck3r: i can do 0–60 in sub 10 sec.
[11:40:14] linagee: tuck3r: real. EPA is like 32 is something dumb like that.,
[11:40:38] mchou: I'm just gonna ride motocycles
[11:40:59] tuck3r: i'm moving to a city :P
[11:41:08] tuck3r: (when it's time)
[11:41:09] linagee: mchou: motorcycles are nice. until you find out you're always in everyone's blind spots, people who hate you open their doors on you and make the lanes tight.
[11:41:21] mchou: tuck3r: most US cities suck for mass transit
[11:41:22] linagee: mchou: and if you're in an accident, you're practically dead.
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[11:41:40] tuck3r: linagee: lol at opening doors
[11:41:49] linagee: tuck3r: i've heard of it, never seen it.
[11:42:12] mchou: linagee: I've never seen a motocyclist doored
[11:42:22] linagee: tuck3r: you would really have to be pissed off to put the damage of your car in front of the road rage.
[11:42:27] tuck3r: most people don't want to commit a crime and messed your door
[11:42:33] mchou: I bet if you look up the stats on that it's VERY low
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[11:42:40] tuck3r: *nds*
[11:42:44] tuck3r: nods*
[11:42:56] linagee: tuck3r: what about tightening lanes so motorcycles can't pass?
[11:43:06] linagee: i see that about every day
[11:43:11] tuck3r: who has that much free time?
[11:43:16] mchou: linagee: there is no need to pass
[11:43:28] linagee: mchou: motorcycles DO pass though. lol
[11:43:41] mchou: linagee: no, that's not what I meant
[11:43:50] linagee: you mean you won't?
[11:44:21] mchou: linagee: only dumb motocyclists pass between lanes
[11:44:39] mchou: smart one pass like cars pass
[11:44:47] mchou: take up the lane
[11:44:59] linagee: the only reason i don't have a motorcycle is because of the reasons above, and i have to haul around boxes that are around 20 pounds, maybe 2.5ft by 6 inches by 1.5 ft
[11:45:14] linagee: (always different sizes and weights though. hah)
[11:45:44] mchou: linagee: what are you, a delivery boy? :)
[11:45:51] ** linagee grins **
[11:45:54] linagee: something like that
[11:46:43] ** linagee leaves the mystery there **
[11:47:43] Zider: home party arranger :P
[11:47:51] linagee: ???
[11:47:52] mchou: sigh....
[11:47:53] Hoxzer_: Merlin83b: 10mins and mythbackend has been succesfully recorded the program without crash :O
[11:48:00] linagee: although an interesting idea, no. :)
[11:48:05] Zider: selling 20 pound buttplugs ;)
[11:48:11] mchou: lol
[11:48:19] linagee: Zider: yikes
[11:48:19] Hoxzer_: Merlin83b: :) but still it requires multiple test records to be sure that it is stable
[11:48:34] Merlin83b: Hoxzer_: Hope it works out for you :-)
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[11:49:21] Hoxzer_: btw I runned it with init.d script is there anyway to view the output?
[11:49:58] linagee: Zider: no, just 5. about the size of my fist here. :o)
[11:50:01] linagee: lol
[11:50:05] linagee: Zider: j/k!
[11:50:09] Zider: hehe
[11:50:12] mchou: linagee: what gas station do you prefer to get gas?
[11:50:22] mchou: linagee: I get gas from costco
[11:50:28] linagee: mchou: are you going to make any stock decisions or something? lol
[11:50:35] linagee: mchou: arco is cheap
[11:50:54] tuck3r: costco rocks
[11:50:57] mchou: lowest grade costco sells is 89
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[11:51:26] mchou: for about 5–10c higher than arco for 87
[11:51:55] linagee: i heard costco makes very little or no profit on selling things. i heard that all their money is made in anual membership
[11:52:13] mchou: linagee: nah, somehow I doubt that
[11:52:43] tuck3r: no way
[11:52:49] tuck3r: 50 bucks?
[11:52:53] linagee: mchou: this is true... why would you even keep things on your shelves if they do not make you a profit... hrm
[11:53:03] mchou: linagee: I wouldnt buy electronics at costco
[11:53:18] linagee: mchou: it's all crap?
[11:53:21] mchou: linagee: costco is generally pricy for electronics
[11:53:31] tuck3r: TV's are a ok deal
[11:53:39] mchou: linagee: nah, they sell decent electronics.
[11:53:50] mchou: just a tad pricy
[11:54:04] mchou: cant beat costco warranties though
[11:54:10] linagee: mchou: but who would need a $4,000 laptop with every bell and whistle known to man? :)
[11:54:43] Hoxzer_: Merlin83b: 3 mins :O
[11:54:55] mchou: I've never seen a laptop over $3K at costco
[11:55:09] linagee: mchou: maybe i was overexagerrating a LITTLE. :->
[11:55:34] linagee: mchou: how old are you anyway. you keep taking everything i say so literally.
[11:55:50] ** linagee guesses... **
[11:55:57] mchou: and I would get a laptop at costco anyways cause they only sell "desktop" replacement laptops
[11:56:08] linagee: 17
[11:56:09] mchou: wouldnt*
[11:56:25] tuck3r: mchou: not here
[11:56:36] linagee: mchou: was i right?
[11:56:43] mchou: tuck3r: where you from?
[11:56:51] mchou: linagee: way off base
[11:56:55] tuck3r: arizona
[11:56:58] linagee: mchou: 36
[11:57:11] linagee: mchou: older than dirt itself?
[11:57:20] mchou: tuck3r: you mean your costco sells Vaios? :)
[11:57:38] linagee: mchou: costco sells vaios, toshibas, and compaqs. lol.
[11:57:45] mchou: tuck3r: you know, the super thin ones
[11:57:53] tuck3r: have a few 12 inchers and a sony ultra portable
[11:58:03] tuck3r: ^^ costco
[11:58:06] mchou: tuck3r: not the bricks
[11:58:19] linagee: mchou: age?
[11:58:23] tuck3r: i have a macbook so i'm happy
[11:58:35] mchou: macbook is a brick
[11:58:46] tuck3r: 4 pounds
[11:58:54] mchou: I like the old toshiba poteges
[11:58:57] linagee: mac laptops are like toilet seat covers. :)
[11:59:03] mchou: porteges*
[11:59:12] mchou: super thin
[11:59:30] mchou: long battery life
[11:59:57] linagee: mchou: if it was thicker it could be longer! :)
[12:00:22] Hoxzer_: Merlin83b: at least it did one succesful record :O
[12:00:27] mchou: linagee: that what you boyfriend says?
[12:00:28] ** linagee sleeps. it's only 5am here. :( **
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[12:00:35] linagee: mchou: my boyfriend is not here right now. :(
[12:00:50] linagee: mchou: and he is just the perfect size. oh yeah.
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[12:00:54] Hoxzer_: linagee: are u a girl or just pretending to be?
[12:01:01] linagee: Hoxzer_: a gurl?
[12:01:05] mchou: Hoxzer_: lol
[12:01:05] linagee: Hoxzer_: why would i be a gurl
[12:01:17] Hoxzer_: gurl wtf? I said girl
[12:01:23] linagee: gurl = girl
[12:01:24] mchou: Hoxzer_: dont get too turned on
[12:01:32] mchou: :)
[12:01:34] linagee: hehehe
[12:01:38] ** linagee turns on Hoxzer_ . :) **
[12:01:40] linagee: lol
[12:01:43] Hoxzer_: < linagee> mchou: my boyfriend is not here right now. <-:?
[12:01:47] mchou: Hoxzer_: linagee is gay :)
[12:01:54] Hoxzer_: ...
[12:01:55] linagee: mchou: of course i am
[12:02:09] mchou: Hoxzer_: haha!!
[12:02:10] tuck3r: this is funny to watch
[12:02:40] ** linagee gives tuck3r a back massage. :) **
[12:02:45] Hoxzer_: so conclusion linagee = gay?
[12:02:53] tuck3r: uh yes
[12:03:15] linagee: Hoxzer_: you straight?!!? no freaking way!!!!
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[12:03:33] tuck3r: i'm shocked :P
[12:03:36] Hoxzer_: :/ I'm not hetero and I'm not even Homo sexual I AM NOLIFE
[12:03:41] Hoxzer_: Tidididiitiidiiditiiitidiii
[12:03:48] linagee: tuck3r: which were you saying uh yes to. :->
[12:03:49] linagee: lol
[12:03:55] tuck3r: your dead? sorry to hear that
[12:03:56] Dibblah_: Why is everything so black and white? You realise you're reducing your chances of a date by 50%?
[12:04:10] Dibblah_: ;)
[12:04:11] linagee: Hoxzer_: so you are a sexless creature? how sad. :-/
[12:04:12] mchou: tuck3r, linagee: http://cdgenp01.csd.toshiba.com/content/produ . . . 200-S234.pdf
[12:04:19] Hoxzer_: :D
[12:04:28] linagee: Dibblah_: and you sir, are bi. :-P
[12:04:37] ** linagee stays the heck away from Dibblah_ **
[12:04:39] Dibblah_: Nope. :)
[12:04:40] linagee: :-)
[12:04:48] mchou: linagee: 2.84 lbs. max
[12:04:58] tuck3r: i love me macbook
[12:05:15] Dibblah_: I have a cute little 3001ct...
[12:05:21] Dibblah_: 3110, even.
[12:05:51] linagee: Dibblah_: i have very rarely heard a straight boy say cute. :)
[12:06:39] Dibblah_: It's descriptive.
[12:06:40] Zider: I do it all the time
[12:06:46] mchou: Dibblah_: man, that's ancient
[12:06:58] linagee: Zider: look at that cute mythtv module
[12:07:23] Dibblah_: I'm not going to limit my choice of language because some people might be unsure of my sexuality.
[12:07:28] linagee: lol
[12:07:28] Zider: linagee: which one of them? :)
[12:07:29] linagee: :->
[12:07:41] linagee: Zider: you mean there's more than one? </twink>
[12:08:03] Zider: twink? isn't that slang for gay? :P
[12:08:07] linagee: ok. time for sleep. it's 5am local.
[12:08:14] linagee: Zider: twink != gay. twink = cute gay. :)
[12:08:29] Zider: hmmmm, ok :P
[12:08:32] linagee: lol
[12:08:45] linagee: Zider: it's like being a dumb blond.
[12:08:53] Zider: ah
[12:09:38] linagee: Zider: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=twink
[12:09:45] Hoxzer_: Ok, I have 3 records set for test purposes :)
[12:09:58] linagee: Zider: "The stereotypical twink is 18–22, slender with little or no body hair, often blonde, dresses in club wear even at 10:00 AM, and is not particularly intelligent."
[12:10:55] Zider: haha
[12:10:56] mchou: that line is fab-u-lous!!
[12:11:11] linagee: Zider: "Twink is a shortening of the name for the famous "TWINKIE" snack cake: a tasty, cream-filled snack with no nutritional value. The phallic shape of the "TWINKIE" snack cake should not escape the reader's attention."
[12:11:18] tuck3r: rofl
[12:11:23] Zider: haha
[12:11:26] linagee: :-)
[12:11:35] mchou: where is the cream?
[12:11:42] linagee: i'm glad i could educate you all in gay slang. lol.
[12:11:53] linagee: mchou: think harder
[12:12:17] Zider: heh, there's a gay guy on one of the communities I'm on that is hitting on me :P
[12:12:24] mchou: linagee: that's not the tool I use for thinking :)
[12:12:55] linagee: Zider: a community you're on?
[12:13:26] Zider: a web community that I am a member of.. :P
[12:13:31] Zider: *clarifies*
[12:13:51] linagee: Zider: call him a cute twink. :)
[12:14:13] mchou: linagee: is he gonna get bitchslapped?
[12:14:16] Zider: it's a swedish community.. "twink" isn't really used in swedish :D
[12:14:33] linagee: mchou: it could be taken as a compliment.
[12:14:43] linagee: mchou: it's not like "dumb blond", where dumb is always a bad thing. :->
[12:15:26] linagee: mchou: it really is dependant on if you're trying to get some. lol
[12:16:15] linagee: Zider: a swedish community? did he ask to give you a swedish massage? :->
[12:16:32] Zider: linagee: hm, no? never heard that expression..
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[12:17:34] linagee: Zider: found by googling: http://www.mamashealth.com/massage/sweed.asp
[12:18:26] Zider: linagee: ahh.. I know about the technique but I didn't know it was called swedish massage :D
[12:18:45] linagee: Zider: sometimes also referred to as a deep tissue massage
[12:18:54] Zider: ah yes
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[12:20:47] linagee: gnite all
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[12:21:29] Zider: gnite linagee
[12:24:48] mchou: this is ridiculous: http://newspaperads.mercurynews.com/ROP/ads.a . . . 94&type=
[12:25:18] mchou: the one on the right
[12:27:47] tuck3r: whats new?
[12:28:03] tuck3r: i payed 100$ for a 2600+ and a mobo 2 years ago
[12:29:59] qu0zl: anybody here got a usb sdtv mpeg2 encoder they're happy with and that has decent liux support? I'm looking for recommendations for a friend
[12:30:27] mchou: qu0zl: plextor
[12:30:35] Beirdo: that's MPEG4
[12:30:59] mchou: Beirdo: so? :)
[12:31:08] Beirdo: so he said MPEG2
[12:31:11] qu0zl: thanks Mchou, he needs a mpeg2 though as he'll be using via xvmc output
[12:31:18] Beirdo: even with 4h sleep I can see that
[12:31:35] mchou: Beirdo: well, I havent slept at all, so there
[12:31:35] Beirdo: I think Hauppauge makes one, not sure how good the drivers are, but I think it's OK
[12:32:04] qu0zl: cheers Beirdo, I'll google for people using that
[12:32:28] Beirdo: Good luck. :)
[12:32:41] Beirdo: I hate morning shows
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[12:34:21] mchou: Beirdo: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5503179
[12:44:46] GreyFoxx: CD
[12:48:25] Beirdo: Hmmm, that didn't work. WTF?
[12:51:37] Beirdo: hahah
[12:51:57] Beirdo: natural join didn't work as I had a field named commonly that I missed
[12:51:58] Beirdo: heh
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[14:07:25] Juski: re
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[14:14:36] Juski: heh. so much for Conroe being cheap: 2.13GHz E6400 for £182
[14:16:47] Merlin83b: Heh.
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[14:20:33] flithm: hey everyone... just curious if anyone here is running ivtv and 2.6.17?
[14:21:03] Juski: why use such a new kernel if 2.6.12 works just fine?
[14:21:31] Juski: actually 2.6.9 worked just fine too...
[14:21:32] flithm: Juski, because .12 doesn't work fine... sata on this board is ONLY supported by .17
[14:21:34] scales: anyone here use mythgame and have there roms located in a file other than the one specified, like on say a removable hard drive?
[14:21:59] Juski: flithm: I was speaking from my point of view ;-)
[14:22:37] flithm: Juski, well it kinda seemed like you weren't. But I hear yah... if I could use a different kernel version I would!
[14:22:39] Merlin83b:
[14:22:42] Juski: in a really fuck-off bad mood now. I should never have gone shopping. I forgot how much I fucking hate it
[14:22:49] Merlin83b: Heh.
[14:22:55] Merlin83b: Where did you go?
[14:23:11] Merlin83b:
[14:23:13] Juski: into manchester. jesus I swear every damn shop sells the same stuff
[14:23:25] Merlin83b: Heh, you'd have been pretty close to me then.
[14:23:39] Juski: looks like I won't be buying any new clothes til at least the world cup is over
[14:23:40] gardengnome: re
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[14:25:02] Hoxzer_: how do I use gdb to provide backtrace?
[14:25:17] Juski: arndale centre was erm.. noisy as hell – had some god-awful youth opera thing going on, caterwailing their lungs out :-/
[14:25:18] gardengnome: Hoxzer_: it's in the docs
[14:25:22] Merlin83b: Do you have gdb running already, Hoxzer_?
[14:25:28] Merlin83b: Juski: Blimey, sounds bad.
[14:25:38] Hoxzer_: Merlin83b: no
[14:25:51] gardengnome: hiya Juski
[14:25:51] Merlin83b: Hoxzer_: Then go read the docs. Section 23 I think it is.
[14:26:15] Juski: the musak in shops is about enough to put me off going in, and the pretty boy shop assistants who look at you like you're shit can go fuck themselves
[14:26:20] Juski: aaanyway
[14:26:46] dev: lol
[14:27:11] Merlin83b: Not that you get too wound up about these things, Juski...
[14:27:42] dev: did someone make a gay-pass at you or something? damn heh
[14:27:46] ** gardengnome hates shopping, too. probably even more than juski **
[14:27:46] Juski: Merlin83b: I get wound up about it every bloody time I go. I try not to, but that's not worked for a good while
[14:27:55] Merlin83b: Heh.
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[14:28:20] Juski: for someone my age, my wife reckons the way to go is Burtons... fuck that! my dad shops there ffs
[14:28:28] Merlin83b: Heh.
[14:28:40] Juski: mid-30s crisis, I call it
[14:29:03] Merlin83b: :-)
[14:29:06] dev: so juski, wanna go shopping? :)
[14:29:09] Juski: too old to be hip, too young for Barbour & tweed
[14:29:14] flithm: you know what I hate even more than pretty boy retail shits is the rest of the stupid fuckers in the mall. You know what, I'm walking here, don't immediatley stop, turn 90 degrees and walk right in front of me. They should allow punching in malls.
[14:29:33] dev: flithm: thats when you walk right into them and run them down
[14:29:35] Hoxzer_: I have to recompile
[14:29:42] dev: flithm: its actually funny, THEY apologize
[14:29:43] dev: :)
[14:30:04] flithm: dev, nice. next time that's what I'm doing.
[14:30:13] dev: it feels good, reallll good
[14:30:21] dev: because i know exactly what you're talking about :)
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[14:30:35] Juski: always tempting to carry a cattleprod for such occasions, I find
[14:30:49] Juski: zzzzt! get out of my fucking way!
[14:31:10] dev: i'm not a big guy, only 5"11 175lbs, but when people walk in front of me i can carry my weight well
[14:31:18] dev: all those years of ice hockey in high school hehe
[14:31:24] Juski: if I get any more angry & cynical I'll have to become a standup comic.. if you're gonna whine you may aswell make money out of it
[14:32:18] gardengnome: you should become a politician
[14:32:19] dev: that or a blogger
[14:32:20] Juski: actually.. penny drops. it's my birthday next month. bad time of the year
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[14:33:25] Kelerion: morning all
[14:33:36] Juski: call this morning, student? ;-)
[14:34:13] ** Kelerion chuckles **
[14:34:21] Kelerion: well... it's morning somewhere in the world!
[14:34:32] dev: Thu Jun 22 10:34:33 EDT 2006
[14:34:35] dev: just rolled out of bed heh
[14:34:38] Kelerion: see? lol
[14:35:07] dev: late night of sex drugs and rock and roll
[14:35:19] Kelerion: and wishful thinking? *grin*
[14:35:20] dev: fortunately im working from home this week because i have training next week hheeh
[14:35:29] Juski: still can't think of what to buy mrs Juski for her birthday on Sunday
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[14:35:36] dev: no there really was sex, drugs, and loud music hehe
[14:35:42] ** Kelerion laughs **
[14:35:55] dev: (with my fiance) :P
[14:36:03] gardengnome: Juski: a s100?
[14:36:07] Merlin83b: Haha
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[14:36:13] dev: Juski: you never go wrong with jewelry
[14:36:14] Kelerion: Juski: is she gonna appreciate a new graphics card or hard drive? lol
[14:37:00] Juski: I never went wrong with jewelry on previous years, but...
[14:37:01] dev: when in doubt, buy her a nice bracelet or necklace
[14:37:02] null: Hi. Maybe anyone knows: My system starts up in about 4 seconds from grub to prompt, I have a nice splash screen. But if I start X, there is a "gap" of about 1 second where the screen goes blank... can I work around this somehow?
[14:37:16] dev: or earrings.
[14:37:20] gardengnome: a back rub?
[14:37:24] Juski: I could always do what my brother in law does for his wife.. buys a card saying "you're too fat"
[14:37:24] Merlin83b: Holy crap, if my system started than fast I'd be pleased!
[14:37:26] dev: i do by whichever one she has less of
[14:37:35] dev: s/do/go
[14:37:42] null: Merlin83b: just use initng ;)
[14:37:52] gardengnome: Juski: sounds like a nice family
[14:38:05] Kelerion: Juski: erm... well.. after the divorce you won't need to worry about it anymore :)
[14:38:42] Juski: gardengnome: he's not a very nice man by all accounts ;-)
[14:39:01] gardengnome: Juski: hehe
[14:39:23] dev: we can tell hehe
[14:39:23] Kelerion: price-drop.tv is doing some beautiful 1ct diamond bracelets for less that 200
[14:39:52] Kelerion: was tempted myself
[14:39:55] Juski: anyway – I can't go buying her what she _said_ she wants.. i.e. a chainsaw!
[14:40:02] Juski: (for real)
[14:40:18] Merlin83b: Why not? Awesome gift.
[14:41:06] Juski: yeah.. then we'll have a totally bare garden
[14:41:18] Merlin83b: Hehe
[14:41:29] Juski: I left her alone with a pair of secateurs once & came home to find all the shrubbery gone
[14:41:36] Merlin83b: lol
[14:41:45] Merlin83b: null: Thanks, I'll look into that at some point.
[14:41:47] Merlin83b: Looks good.
[14:41:55] null: Merlin83b: any idea about my problem?
[14:42:03] Juski: I hope they never do DIY vasectomy kits...
[14:42:10] null: What runs better: MythTV on framebuffer or MythTV on X with nvidia drivers?
[14:42:42] Merlin83b: null: No idea, sounds like the blank you get when the screen has to lock onto a new resolution or something.
[14:42:53] Merlin83b: MythTV should run unnder X.
[14:43:08] Juski: null: by the time FB support is axed from 0.20, Mythtv on X :-P
[14:43:13] null: ok :p
[14:43:29] null: hmm, I could start an X server as early as possible..
[14:47:34] dev: i run x in the boostrap so its fast+++++++!
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[14:47:55] dev: i gotta have milisecond boot times here, nothing more will do!
[14:48:26] null: this has nothing to do with that
[14:48:39] null: the problem is that the gap let's my TV begin to scan the sources..
[14:49:09] Juski: if PCs weren't so damn reliant on antique architecture, you could have the kernel & everything in a flash memory device
[14:49:27] gardengnome: Juski: i have my kernel in a flash memory device ;)
[14:49:31] null: me too ;)
[14:49:53] Juski: gardengnome: yeah but it still takes a minute to boot up :-P
[14:50:38] dev: man whats up with this 1.fm internet radio station today, its playing such gay music im starting to feel like a queer for leaving it on
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[14:50:58] Juski: dev: learn to be more comfortable about your sexuality then :-P
[14:51:24] dev: im pretty comfortable with it, but this is like bombing yourself with 2500lbs bombs of queerness
[14:51:28] dev: eventually, you gotta give
[14:51:29] Juski: lol
[14:51:44] Juski: I go to gay clubs quite a bit & they've not turned me yet
[14:52:01] dev: one has to wonder why you keep going
[14:52:09] gardengnome: i think i've got a new signature for the forums.
[14:52:10] Juski: btw the reason I go is that there's better music, and MUCH less fighting
[14:52:39] dev: just cat slapping right hehe
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[14:53:29] gardengnome: thank god that some people in hereare not prejudiced
[14:53:33] Merlin83b: Juski: Canal Street?
[14:53:50] Juski: Merlin83b: or anal treet as one of the street signs says
[14:53:56] dev: thank the flying spaghettic monster religion has invaded the sanity of geek population! ;)
[14:53:57] Juski: I kid you not
[14:54:00] Merlin83b: Yep, walk past it on the way to work every day :-)
[14:54:39] dev: ah, so you're a bank man
[14:54:43] Juski: I like it – but for gawds sakes never ever EVER (under pain of death) go to Napoleon's.. I really mean it
[14:54:44] dev: and twilo saturday night man
[14:54:48] dev: ;)
[14:54:54] Merlin83b: Heh, I would never go into Napoleons.
[14:54:59] Merlin83b: Walk past that every day too.
[14:55:25] Merlin83b: Basically walk up Sackville Street,.
[14:55:55] dev: you guys been to the new twilo? whats it called, sky or something?
[14:56:07] Juski: trannies I can live with, but not the freakish humans that go after them.. <shudder>
[14:56:13] Merlin83b: Heh.
[14:56:13] dev: or am i thinking of a different canal street :)
[14:56:21] Merlin83b: You are, dev.
[14:56:25] dev: not nyc?
[14:56:25] Juski: Canal St., manchester
[14:56:29] dev: ahhhh hahaha
[14:56:30] Merlin83b: We're both in MAnchester, not NYC
[14:56:30] Juski: lol hell no
[14:56:32] dev: yup, i sure am
[14:56:34] dev: =]
[14:56:49] Juski: though I bet the queens of NYC could teach the ones here a thing or 2
[14:57:49] dev: heh some of those are scary
[14:58:40] D-side: thats a hell of a conversation to wake up to
[14:58:58] Merlin83b: Heh.
[14:59:02] dev: transvestite support in myth
[14:59:08] dev: where is it!
[14:59:09] dev: ;)
[14:59:14] Juski: well it IS called Myth TV
[14:59:16] Merlin83b: mythtrans...
[14:59:19] Merlin83b: lol
[14:59:21] dev: LOL
[14:59:48] dev: i realy should be starting on these docs i have to do for work
[14:59:54] dev: but im procrastinating :/
[14:59:58] dev: i hate docs
[14:59:59] dev: heh
[15:00:13] Juski: why put off til tomorrow what you can do today? Procrastinate NOW
[15:00:27] dev: amen
[15:00:57] dev: i'll be at training all next week, and off tomorrow to get my car down in pennsylvania
[15:01:03] dev: so i really have to do them today, or over the weekend
[15:01:07] dev: hsdjfkls ;p
[15:01:14] Juski: that reminds me. I need to think about gathering some source together so I can build something or other
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[15:12:46] scales: question: if i reference an external usb drive for mythgame, will there still be some sort of conflict with automount? like automount doesnt mount till the drive is accessed, but would mythgame trigger automount
[15:13:53] Juski: it should, if it's going for the location automount will mount it to
[15:14:15] scales: k
[15:14:54] scales: i just am having this problem with automount, i think it automounts alright, but only root has permission
[15:15:17] Juski: just make a symlink?
[15:15:46] scales: humm, sorry juski i will nee to google that, i am still a newb :)
[15:17:04] Juski: ln -s /sourcedirectory /madeupdirectorynameforthenewplace
[15:19:13] scales: i got "ln: '/media/greyback': hard link not allowed for the directory"
[15:19:23] scales: greyback is my external hard drive
[15:19:54] Juski: the -s means symbolic.. or 'soft'
[15:20:17] scales: oh
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[15:20:50] kRutOn: Anyone here have a PVR-x50?
[15:21:46] scales: juski: ok well it did give me the linked folder, but it still is protected and only the root has permission to it
[15:21:48] scales: humm
[15:22:18] Aid`: avada kedavra!
[15:24:27] Juski: scales: so change the permissions then. man chmod & chown ;-)
[15:26:45] Juski: god I should've looked at ebay before I bothered to leave the house
[15:27:11] Juski: tshirt with OMG! STFU on the front... will get that for my 1st lug meeting
[15:27:12] Merlin83b: Heh
[15:28:33] Juski: that's worrying though. am I becoming agoraphobic? :-P
[15:28:41] Merlin83b: No, just chavphobic.
[15:28:58] Juski: phew
[15:29:01] dev: i should see if there's a lug in my area
[15:29:07] dev: go see if they're tools or not
[15:29:08] dev: heh
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[15:29:25] Juski: I've never actually like, met a linux user in person before
[15:29:36] dev: me niether, except for my jobs
[15:29:43] Merlin83b: I have no idea what happens at lug meeting. I have geek friends and one at a time they can be a bit much.
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[15:30:08] dev: the guys ive met/meet at my work i hit it off with nicely. but thats because we do it for $$$ heh
[15:30:17] dev: i dunno what it would be like to meet people who just do it to do it
[15:30:43] dev: i used to be like that when i was 15–17
[15:30:44] Juski: people call me geeky, but they don't know the half of what _real_ geekery involves
[15:30:56] dev: then places started giving me money to admin things and i thought that was much better :)
[15:31:12] ** kayelem nods at Juski **
[15:31:17] dev: yeah
[15:31:44] kayelem: if people think *I* am a geek; they've not met a real one...
[15:32:47] Juski: we all make computers do cool stuff, but some people's definition of 'cool' is different... I mean some folks might think that working out Pi to 200 million places is cool ffs
[15:33:00] kayelem: heh
[15:33:42] dev: heh
[15:33:55] Juski: stole a quick look at some 'hd' product today. I wonder what non-demo HD looks like. prolly not overly pissy & oversaturated I'll bet
[15:34:03] Juski: s/pissy/prissy
[15:34:36] kayelem: ...I think running a MythTV box on ancient TV sets is pretty cool...
[15:34:51] ** kayelem wonders how seriously geeky she is... **
[15:35:15] kayelem: ...lousy social skills... spend all day in front of computer... most of my friends are people I've never met...
[15:35:38] Juski: I have good social skills – I just find it hard to meet people I actually want to get to know
[15:35:39] Kelerion: sounds vaguely familiar
[15:36:13] scales: ok juski, well i chmod 666 my external drive, and i still cannot access it
[15:36:40] kayelem: Juski, I suppose that's true. I don't have any problem getting to know and socialising with people similar enough to myself...
[15:36:50] Juski: scales: maybe you could change the group ownership of the drive too
[15:37:53] kayelem: 666 = rw-rw-rw-
[15:37:57] Juski: I work with a bunch of shallow bastards who I wouldn't give the time of day to outside of work and all my best mates live in far flung parts of the country
[15:38:02] kayelem: directories neeed x as well
[15:38:08] kayelem: try chmod 777
[15:38:24] Juski: oh hell now that really cheered me up lol
[15:38:35] Merlin83b: lol
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[15:40:23] Juski: went to the cash machine.. there was this girl standing in the way and her earrings were as big as her head. I felt the need to say something but had to resist
[15:40:55] Juski: yup. I need a blog
[15:41:09] ** Juski reaches for the revolver in the desk drawer **
[15:42:13] tuck3r: Juski: your so 2003, you need a vlog
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[15:42:25] Merlin83b: YOu didn't need to say something, just grab them and pull.
[15:42:31] Merlin83b: Actions speak louder than words.
[15:42:35] Juski: heh
[15:42:45] Juski: omg.. there was no need for this: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/rude-futurama-on-white- . . . cmdZViewItem
[15:43:16] Merlin83b: Or to post a link to it.
[15:43:58] dev: lol
[15:44:02] tuck3r: that owns
[15:45:20] Juski: couldn't wear that one to work without being sent home
[15:46:03] Juski: anyway tuck3r.. vlog? I've not even got a camcorder or webcam? eesh
[15:46:37] tuck3r: damn, i have one in the lid on my notebook :P
[15:48:09] Juski: pleh.
[15:48:25] scales: kayelem: ok well somehow i got into the drive, and now every folder in it is locked :) i could manually change each,
[15:49:07] kayelem: ...or you could note the "-R" option for both chown and chmod...
[15:50:06] Juski: do real geeks use chpwn?
[15:50:19] kayelem: heh
[15:50:22] scales: ok seems to be woring......so now when i restart, will i need to do all this again?
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[15:51:10] kayelem: iirc there is possibly something you can set in the automounter configuration such that automounted things are mounted with the correct ermissions.
[15:51:51] kayelem: I've also done stuff where cdroms are mounted with group "cduser" and my user is in that group.
[15:51:55] kayelem: iykwim...
[15:52:13] kayelem: <-- currently frying brain playing with mysql...
[15:52:39] ** Juski is done shopping. I think I may need to have a labotomy in time for the next excursion **
[15:52:42] Aid`: iykwim?
[15:52:55] kayelem: Juski, I do all my shopping online now.
[15:53:05] kayelem: "if you know what I mean"
[15:53:07] Aid`: u shop for groceries online?
[15:53:27] kayelem: yeah; don't have to leave the house; a van arrives with food and stuff :)
[15:53:40] kayelem: more time in front of 'puter ;-)
[15:53:45] Aid`: doesn't shipping kill you?
[15:53:49] Juski: food shopping, I really don't mind that much at all
[15:53:56] kayelem: nope, it's like 4 quid for delivery.
[15:53:58] Merlin83b: I do home delivery food shopping.,
[15:54:05] Juski: buying clothes is what brings me out in hives
[15:54:10] Merlin83b: Comes from not having a car – 4 quid every couple or 3 weeks is cheaper than a car :-)
[15:54:12] scales: kayelem: ok i will look around
[15:54:26] Juski: £15 for a fucking t-shirt!?!?!?
[15:54:32] Aid`: lol
[15:54:34] kayelem: when I spend 85 quid on groceries, 4 quid for delivery's peanuts. It'd cost me more in petrol if I did it myself.
[15:54:41] Aid`: 1 quid = $?
[15:54:46] Merlin83b: $1.83
[15:55:06] Aid`: but its still nice to have a car
[15:55:07] kayelem: ...but that's down to having a stupidly thirsty car in a country where gas is ?1 a litre now...
[15:55:14] Juski: kayelem: and you don't have to listen to suicide FM that comes over the shop tannoy.. or have to see scrawny chavs & their offspring ;-)
[15:55:41] kayelem: "quid" == uk pounds
[15:55:59] Juski: this has got me thinking... how big is this anti-society we're part of? can we not just start a colony somewhere? lol
[15:56:11] kayelem: and 1ukp per litre for gas is irritating; especially for a total petrol head like me...
[15:56:22] kayelem: Juski, aye, buy an island...
[15:56:32] Aid`: 1 liter = x gallon ?
[15:56:36] kayelem: ...as long as it has reliable power and a *very* fast connection to the 'net...
[15:56:38] ** Merlin83b is going to look at a vehicle after work. **
[15:56:51] Merlin83b: Aid`: We did this earlier today. Here we pay about $6.50 per gallon.
[15:56:56] kayelem: 1 litre = 0.264172051 US gallons
[15:56:58] Aid`: ouch
[15:57:05] dev: said has some kind of sick short term memory loss
[15:57:07] dev: er aid
[15:57:24] Aid`: i would kill for 128k connection
[15:57:43] kayelem: Hmm... I have 1M/256k ADSL and think it's slow...
[15:57:51] Aid`: i have 56k
[15:58:17] dev: do you live in montana or something?
[15:58:19] Juski: looks like my wife is gonna be receiving some of Her Majesty's gift vouchers for her birthday
[15:58:35] Aid`: dev: i live out of town. i am too far by like a mile to get cable
[15:59:18] Juski: must have some benefits living out there though
[15:59:22] Aid`: then its too hilly out here to get wireless internet-- so im fucked
[15:59:27] kayelem: I saw some program about Korea; iirc a lot of domestic residences there have 100M/100M !!
[15:59:54] kayelem: ...100M 'net connection... me want!
[15:59:55] Juski: when the infrastructure is new & being put in from scratch, they put in the best
[15:59:56] Aid`: how much do you guys pay a month for internet
[16:00:10] Juski: about $40 for 2Mbit
[16:00:15] kayelem: I think i pay 25ukp for 1M/256k
[16:00:18] dev: 40$ for 10mbit down 1mbit up
[16:00:34] Juski: £24.99 for 2Mbit down, 256k up
[16:00:36] Aid`: i pay like $32
[16:00:39] Aid`: for dialup
[16:00:49] dev: for 50$ a monti could get 30mbit down 2mbit up
[16:00:52] dev: but i dont need it
[16:01:11] Aid`: we pay for an extra phone line and $10 a month internet
[16:01:11] Juski: 30mbits? sheesh a typical UK user would fill up a HDD a day with that
[16:01:13] kayelem: This would be 2M/256k but the damp string under the roads between here and my exchange is 40 years old and knackered...
[16:01:33] dev: Juski: yeah, i coiuld as well, thats why i dont need it :P 10mbit is plenty fast for newsgroups/torrents/ftp
[16:01:35] Merlin83b:
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[16:01:45] Juski: the internet == for downloading porn, free movies & games
[16:01:56] dev: i would probably get in trouble with siteadmins if i could pull at 30mbit hehe
[16:02:32] Aid`: 10mbit *drool* thats like 1mb/sec downloading?
[16:02:35] kayelem: never downloaded or even looked at porn... then not a lot of it's targetted at someone like me.
[16:02:35] Juski: everyone I know is always being told off for downloading too much ,and it's only just 'cos it's there'
[16:02:39] dev: 1mB/sec yeah
[16:02:57] Aid`: kayelem: what do you mean not someone like you
[16:03:20] kayelem: Aid`, I'm female for a start.
[16:03:24] Aid`: Juski: how did they get told off
[16:03:37] Juski: Aid`: their ISP sent them nice letters
[16:03:37] Aid`: kayelem: i see
[16:04:02] Aid`: isn't that what the internet is for? for downloading and exchanging data?
[16:04:07] Juski: one even got a warning to stop sharing movies... oh how I laughed. he was furious
[16:04:50] Aid`: i know if i had fast connection i still wouldn't share anything
[16:04:57] Aid`: that's how they find you
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[16:05:05] kayelem: Aid` – besides, sites like these are what i consider "porn" ;-) http://www.musclecarclub.com/main.shtml
[16:05:10] dev: they can find you just as easy from site transfer logs showing you downloading things
[16:05:19] Juski: that was the guy who turned the ringer of my desk phone off cos it annoyed him (I mean, rather than answer the fskcing thing)
[16:06:19] Aid`: dev: i usually dl onto a friends dedicated server (usernet) was it usenet anyways, its completely anonymous there and super super fast
[16:06:22] kayelem: pics of nekkid people don't do a lot for me; but a chromed and polished race-tuned 413 Chrysler hemi with dual 4-barrels, high-lift cams, big valves.... ohhh....!!  :-D
[16:06:40] dev: usenet isnt anonymous if you hae to login with a uid/password
[16:06:51] Juski: also the same guy who I suggested to try linux for a small server box but he couldn't even install it never mind configure it
[16:06:57] dev: like the pay services people use to get movies and such, people think they're anonymous but they're not
[16:07:03] Aid`: well you pay a monthly fee, so its gotta be legal
[16:07:17] dev: its legal to use usenet, its not legal to download copyrighted material
[16:07:37] dev: and if the feddies ever raided one of those pay services for logs you could potentially be arrested
[16:07:40] dev: =]
[16:07:45] Juski: the kind of gear the ISPs use, everything's logged & accessible. makes you wonder just how much storage the ISPs have though
[16:07:53] Aid`: its not even my account dev :)
[16:08:11] Juski: Aid`: stealing accounts? even worse! ;-)
[16:08:15] dev: who's ever name, address, and credit card was on the account would get the visit :)
[16:08:17] Aid`: nah its a friends
[16:08:18] gardengnome: dev: that happened in germany. some retards were selling ftp access to their servers where'd put movies they got from fxp groups/usenet/whatever.
[16:08:31] dev: gardengnome: i heard about that
[16:08:44] Juski: what was their name again? piratesomething?
[16:08:44] Aid`: did they get owned?
[16:08:54] dev: yeah they got owned
[16:08:57] dev: they were idiots.
[16:08:58] gardengnome: no, ftpwelt
[16:09:43] Aid`: isn't using mythtv, if copyrighted material, which is almost everything, illegal?
[16:09:51] Juski: I think movies & music of the moment is mostly not worth buying, but I don't bother downloading it – hell if it's not good enough to buy why would it be worth spending my time listening to / watching it? :-P
[16:09:57] dev: mythtv is opensource, so no, its not illegal
[16:10:14] dev: Juski: exactly
[16:10:15] Aid`: i mean recording the copyrighted material off tv
[16:10:18] tuck3r: no
[16:10:26] tuck3r: they broadcast it
[16:10:26] Juski: that's currently classed as 'fair use'
[16:10:46] Aid`: so downloading episodes over the internet is legal?
[16:10:47] dev: just like you're allowed to make a backup of your music cd, for your own personal use
[16:10:48] Juski: but the situation might change if the big corps get their way
[16:10:49] dev: 'fair use'
[16:11:15] Juski: up til last week, owning an Ipod & ripping your own CDs to it in the UK was illegal!
[16:11:15] dev: Aid`: technically, yes
[16:11:51] Aid`: hmm cool, can't wait to tell my dad who always has a fit if im downloading
[16:11:55] tuck3r: no, NBC doesn't broadcast over the internet
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[16:12:00] tuck3r: Aid`: your in teh US>
[16:12:01] tuck3r: ?
[16:12:01] Juski: although, owning an Ipod should be made illegal anyway. fucking 'style' kids
[16:12:03] Aid`: yes
[16:12:09] dev: oh shit im sorry
[16:12:09] tuck3r: it in not legal
[16:12:13] dev: i thought you said illegal
[16:12:28] dev: yes, technically downloading tv episodes from the internet is ILLEGAL
[16:12:36] tuck3r: ^^ yep
[16:12:40] Aid`: technically?
[16:12:43] dev: yes.
[16:12:43] tuck3r: it just is
[16:12:58] Juski: "but providing the content on the net should be punishable by death at least".. oops I just channelled a Fox exec
[16:12:59] Aid`: then how come they don't shutdown torrent sites?
[16:12:59] tuck3r: copyright infringement
[16:13:12] tuck3r: off shore
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[16:13:16] dev: because torrent sites dont contain any copyrighted material. you dont know how torrents work?
[16:13:18] xris: Aid`: torrent sites don't host the content, either
[16:13:25] Juski: Aid`: they DO. did you not hear about piratebay last week or so?
[16:13:43] tuck3r: Juski: it was down for 2 days
[16:13:45] Aid`: but like isonet torrentspy
[16:13:57] tuck3r: they don't host anything
[16:14:02] Aid`: they allow you to easily connect to people which in a way leads to infringement
[16:14:05] xris: Aid`: it's not illegal to talk about piracy.
[16:14:06] tuck3r: so?
[16:14:16] Juski: but they provide the _means_ to download it – i.e. finding it
[16:14:23] Aid`: and that's legal?
[16:14:24] Aid`: hmm
[16:14:28] tuck3r: uh not really
[16:14:31] dev: doesnt matter, they still dont hold any copyrighted material therefore not doing anything wrong
[16:14:33] tuck3r: depends on who you ask
[16:14:49] Aid`: tuck3r: my thought exactly
[16:14:49] tuck3r: it is a "gray" area
[16:15:10] Juski: funny isn't it, that all the policy being made about this subject prolly isn't coming from the mouths of people who have to pay for the content anyway
[16:15:12] dev: sweden doesnt have laws against this stuff anyway, thats why ther's a cnn article about the mpaa and the us government presureing sweden with trade sanctions because of it
[16:15:37] tuck3r: yeah, that is the point, the mpaa is out of line
[16:15:55] Aid`: its not their country, why the hell should they worry
[16:16:06] Juski: get some perspective anyway. there are people dying in the world.. or is it just "boo hoo I want my free movies?"
[16:16:14] dev: because its supposedly making them lose billions of dollars from their stagnate illfated buisness model
[16:16:19] tuck3r: because americans are getting content from them
[16:16:32] tuck3r: what dev said
[16:17:06] Aid`: so what do you guys download with a fast connection?
[16:17:12] Juski: which came first? protectionist DRM policy or file sharing?
[16:17:15] dev: linux releases =]
[16:17:23] tuck3r: Aid`: lots of thing ;)
[16:17:29] Juski: I use gentoo, so I need a fast connection
[16:17:48] Juski: pesky rsyncs
[16:17:49] kayelem: likewise – gentoo on dialup would be painful.
[16:17:53] dev: Juski: 'file shareing' came before the dmca
[16:18:00] Juski: dev: bingo
[16:18:07] Aid`: whats bad about gentoo
[16:18:10] tuck3r: nothing
[16:18:17] Juski: portage
[16:18:18] tuck3r: just lots of things to download
[16:18:23] dev: if it moves, compile it
[16:18:25] Aid`: let me rephrase. whats bad about gentoo and dialup
[16:18:25] dev: ;)
[16:18:32] Juski: if it doesn't move, compile it
[16:18:38] Juski: infact – just compile it
[16:18:42] dev: hehe
[16:18:47] Juski: compile the compiler, too
[16:18:53] Aid`: is gentoo really customizable too?
[16:18:55] kayelem: Aid`, it would take two weeks to update *anything*
[16:19:10] kayelem: ...by which time it'd need updating again...
[16:19:19] gardengnome: Aid`: you'll need to download lots of source tarballs, which tend to be larger than binary packages.
[16:19:31] Aid`: why do you have to update so often?
[16:19:35] Juski: I updated portage yesterday.. god that was a bloody headache
[16:19:35] dev: god help you if one of the ports maintainers screwed up an ebuild commit and you had to resync and reupdate
[16:19:40] dev: on dialup that would suck++
[16:19:49] xris: hey... so if any of us ever gets in trouble for copyright infringement (not that anyone here would do that kind of thing), we have a really good person to bring in as an example of someone else who does that sort of thing: http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/22/ce-oh-no-h . . . ated-videos/
[16:19:52] kayelem: Aid`, mostly "because you can"
[16:20:04] xris: Juski: btw, you put that fix in yet?
[16:20:07] kayelem: I update every Sunday.
[16:20:25] Aid`: is there noticable updates? or just little things?
[16:20:30] tuck3r: both
[16:20:31] kayelem: emerge --sync && emerge -uDN world :-D
[16:20:32] Juski: xris: no not yet. been having a break from the show machine.. housey stuff going on, spending time with my wife & stuff
[16:21:17] kayelem: Aid`, sometimes it's security updates; other times just new stuff.
[16:21:37] Aid`: so gentoo is a pretty cool os then?
[16:21:41] tuck3r: yes
[16:21:49] Aid`: debian is good too!
[16:21:52] tuck3r: all other linux distros suck
[16:21:58] kayelem: Aid`, most binary distros are out of date by the time they're released; with gentoo you can keep pretty well up to date with latest releases of everything; if that's what you want to do.
[16:22:06] gardengnome: well, yes. gentoo is what the 'cool' kids use.
[16:22:10] kayelem: I use Slackware on servers, though.
[16:22:20] Juski: anyway xris: from reading the dev list it seems there's shedloads of work to do in my themes to get them back up to date. bloody progress
[16:22:21] kayelem: ...the servers that don't have OpenBSD on them, that is.
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[16:22:23] tuck3r: 1999 called it wants debian back
[16:22:45] Aid`: har har har
[16:22:47] xris: Juski: ick
[16:22:59] Aid`: its not like i can download and distro on my dialup
[16:23:05] gardengnome: tuck3r: go and pimp your honda
[16:23:09] Juski: OSS projects are never 'finished'
[16:23:28] Aid`: idownloaded debian at my high school
[16:23:29] kayelem: gardengnome, I don't think I'm "cool" – I just use gentoo as it seems to be about as hackable as Slackware, can be kept more up-to-date and has better package management. (which doesn't take much over what Slackware has...)
[16:23:33] tuck3r: gardengnome: --funroll-loops?
[16:23:57] Juski: you can stop that facking distro-wars shit before it even starts... right now
[16:24:12] gardengnome: kayelem: i like gentoo myself, but i don't use it because it is "cool" but because for some of the reasons you mentioned; )
[16:24:15] D-side: haha
[16:24:17] tuck3r: i have always wanted to try that cflag
[16:24:19] Aid`: i downloaded over 25gigs of tv shows at my school
[16:24:40] kayelem: Juski, none of that from me. Every distro has good and bad points; doesn't matter to me what others use; I'm not going to criticise.
[16:24:48] Juski: if paid-for content is crap, how bad would it all be if nobody ever got paid? :-P
[16:25:08] Juski: kayelem: I meant my comment for the funroll loops quoter
[16:25:31] Juski: they're all as bad as one another IMHO, just in different ways ;-)
[16:25:35] kayelem: heh
[16:25:38] kayelem: true.
[16:25:57] Juski: ubuntu 'server' install still takes 500MB space
[16:25:57] kayelem: I've got annoyed with one only to try another and get annoyed with it in a different way.
[16:26:03] kayelem: sheesh.
[16:26:14] Juski: full Gnome, mythtv etc.. 700MB
[16:26:19] kayelem: I can get a minimal slackware down to about 115M last time i tried.
[16:26:22] Juski: go figure :-/
[16:26:45] gardengnome: Juski: why do you care so much about size?
[16:26:59] Juski: gardengnome: small can be beautiful
[16:27:12] kayelem: Slackware for me internal servers, Gentoo on me desktops and OpenBSD on my 'net-facing box. Seems to cause least annoyance.
[16:27:26] gardengnome: Juski: it's more about putting it to good use
[16:27:26] Juski: take Vista as an example.. 'small' enough to fit on a DVD, they reckon
[16:27:43] gardengnome: Juski: well, they prolly provide the source as well.
[16:27:46] gardengnome: shoot me now.
[16:27:46] Aid`: lol a dvd
[16:27:47] Juski: gardengnome: yeah but there's got to be one hell of a lot of cruft in that 500MB
[16:28:05] gardengnome: Juski: so what? disk space is cheap, just netboot the s100 and ignore the bloat ;)
[16:28:20] Juski: 1TB of data is kinda hard to pass around
[16:28:31] Aid`: =-]
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[16:29:40] Juski: minimyth is a full frontend, with apache (for lm_sensors webpage), plugins – the works.. size is 64MB crammed
[16:30:06] gardengnome: apache? you sure?
[16:30:18] Juski: maybe not apache, but a webserver
[16:30:31] Juski: I forgot to tell you – I tried knoppmyth on the s100.. OMFG!!!
[16:30:42] Juski: what a PoS!!!
[16:31:01] Merlin83b: Heh.
[16:31:31] Juski: it was slower than the xbox mythtv, and that has less than half the ram
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[16:32:21] Juski: when I saw _slow_ I mean it couldn't even respond to keypresses in livetv
[16:32:45] kayelem: I suspect one thing there is knoppmyth uses vanilla kernels
[16:33:02] Juski: yeh.. one kernel does not fit all ;-)
[16:33:13] kayelem: one mythtv system here is a knoppmyth system; I'm looking at a few tweaks.
[16:33:41] gardengnome: i need a new keyboard for my asus laptop. anyone know where i could get one?
[16:33:44] kayelem: ...thing is, for the vintage TV guys, knoppmyth would be the easiest solution as not many of them are all that 'puter-savvy.
[16:34:11] Juski: anyway I'm up for the challenge of making a small distro for this box. There's too much bloat in computers everywhere
[16:34:23] Juski: bloat/waste
[16:34:37] kayelem: So while I may be happy running MythTV on a gentoo box I'd doubt some of the guys who'd like to try this "obsolete TV standard" fun would ever get it installed and working.
[16:35:05] Juski: kayelem: unless you make a cd that just unpacks an image onto HDD for em :-P
[16:35:18] Juski: "put the shiny disc in there... press that..."
[16:35:56] kayelem: problem is h/w detection... at least KM gets that right most of the time.
[16:36:52] kayelem: I can go from zero to working knoppmyth install in about 15 minutes; then 405-line about 5 minutes after that. But it does like my hardware.
[16:37:08] Juski: I was all up for the idea of getting mythtv onto an embedded STB style box, but the news about FB support possibly disappearing in 0.20 puts paid to that plan
[16:37:26] kayelem: by "working" i mean "you can watch telly on it". Usually no remote, broken mythweather and a few other problems.
[16:38:01] kayelem: damn.
[16:38:13] kayelem: and i was going to look at using the FB instead of X.
[16:38:23] Juski: none of the maintainers use PVR350s anymore
[16:38:42] gardengnome: Juski: framebuffer support disappearing? who said that?
[16:39:05] gardengnome: Juski: is it because nobody cares about the directfb output driver?
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[16:39:05] Juski: well pvr350 support anyway, which generally speaking needs FB
[16:39:22] Juski: apparently so
[16:39:43] gardengnome: Juski: pvr 350 might be considered deprecated because the ivtv X driver now supports Xv.
[16:39:57] gutano: I think directFB's buzz has waned a bit since Xgl stuff =/
[16:40:02] gardengnome: and it is also different from directfb
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[16:40:35] Juski: at first I was excited about opengl in mythtv. but having seen it & thought about it... nah. leave it
[16:40:45] gutano: Juski: !
[16:40:50] ** gardengnome goes to replace the wlan card in his laptop **
[16:41:35] Juski: what? a few visual bells & whistles? leave it out
[16:41:59] gutano: Juski: the performance gains in the menus are so huge with even with the least amount of HW acceleration
[16:42:12] Juski: hmm like menus are really slow now
[16:42:39] gutano: I'm amazed that I get up to 50% cpu usage sometimes scrolling through lists (amd64 3200)...
[16:42:46] gutano: with the QT painter
[16:42:55] Juski: that's prolly not the screen drawing
[16:43:08] gutano: opengl painter less than 1%
[16:43:13] Juski: bleh
[16:43:30] Juski: I'd rather see improvements & optomisations in the query side of stuff
[16:43:31] gutano: the opengl code really doesn't have much in the way of bells & whistles atm
[16:44:09] Juski: like reduce the amount of time it takes the guide to load when you have over 50 channels
[16:44:47] Juski: same for recorded programmes
[16:45:06] gutano: yay google:SoC, let the peons work on the trivial stuff and the real devs work on optimizations like you speak of
[16:45:24] Juski: if that happens, fine
[16:45:38] gutano: <-- is SoC guy migrating screens to libmythui
[16:45:41] Juski: but it all we end up with is swooshy menus.. forget it
[16:45:48] gutano: =P
[16:45:53] gutano: no swooshy menu's
[16:46:10] gutano: it looks the same, just drawn with opengl instead of 2d qt
[16:46:29] Juski: I've seen the gl painter stuff
[16:46:36] Juski: nothing to write home about IMHO
[16:46:45] gutano: exactly, it's just an engine change
[16:47:00] gutano: the idea wasn't to drasticaly change the interface
[16:47:04] gutano: and that's what I've been told
[16:47:09] Juski: so now, we need 3d hardware for mythtv to work, which was never the way before
[16:47:14] gutano: ?
[16:47:19] gutano: can you find a computer without it?
[16:47:42] Juski: my epia doesn't have any 3d acceleration to speak of – at least not in the oSS driver
[16:47:49] gutano: maybe more to the point can you find a computer who's 2d capabilities are 1/100th of it's 3d capabilities? (even for 2d stuff)
[16:47:57] kayelem: matrox cards aren't all that hot for 3D; but for 2D thewy rock.
[16:48:23] gutano: bad 3d HW is 1000 times faster at 2d than very good 2d HW
[16:48:45] Juski: put it this way – I only get about 200fps with glxgears
[16:48:50] gutano: hehe
[16:48:54] Juski: I think software gl can do it faster than that
[16:49:03] kayelem: 2 workstations here with Matrox G550's in – so that's 2 'puters here that have better 2D performance than 3D....
[16:49:10] gutano: if they had a glxgears that had a qt backend, you would get 20fps
[16:49:38] gutano: alright... not here to argue over this...
[16:49:47] kayelem: and afiak better 2D performance than the other cards I have which do 3D well...
[16:50:01] gutano: I'm sure there are plenty of exceptions to my statements
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[16:50:45] Juski: so as usual, big props to the guys with $1000 systems, 3Ghz CPUs & $200 graphics cards
[16:50:50] kayelem: I think the Matrox cards are aimed at doing 2D CAD very well. I can vouch for that; it's why I like 'em.
[16:51:06] Juski: big ugly boxen in livingrooms... ugh
[16:51:27] gutano: =/
[16:51:36] ** kayelem has a big ugly box in her livingroom; as it was 75 quid... **
[16:51:41] gutano: I think your missing my opinion Juski
[16:51:56] Juski: I don't think I am
[16:52:00] kayelem: I'd *like* to put together a small quiet netbooted mini ITX thingy.
[16:52:08] Juski: I'm gonna be left with useless hardware for the sake of some bells & whistles
[16:52:14] gutano: =/
[16:52:46] gutano: the performance requirements for what is being implemented are very low in terms of 3d...
[16:53:15] Juski: maybe hell will freeze over & someone will work out 3d in the openchrome driver
[16:53:22] gutano: in general.. an onboard 3d chip can process these requirements better than an onboard 2d card can process the current setup
[16:53:23] Juski: ;-)
[16:53:28] gutano: hehe
[16:53:41] kayelem: it does seem a bit superfluous; I mean... it's just menus, ffs.
[16:53:48] Juski: yup
[16:54:03] gutano: what about OSD?
[16:54:20] kayelem: I *prefer* nice plain non-flashy and above-all *readable* OSD and menus.
[16:54:26] ** gutano quiets down about OSD, because he actually doesn't like it **
[16:54:48] kayelem: extra bells and whistles tends to mean less readable, less clear.
[16:54:48] Juski: the OSD sucks, but that's more down to the limitations Xv places upon it I think
[16:55:02] hashbang: with modern GPUs, using the 3D hardware to render 2D is actually quicker than using their 2D acceleration features.
[16:55:15] gutano: ^^
[16:55:16] hashbang: at least, that's what Alan Cox told me.
[16:55:31] kayelem: ...and ${DEITY} help me if it starts going all colourful and shaded as it'll look even worse in black&white. :-|
[16:55:46] Juski: yeah – great if the linux driver supports 3D properly in the 1st place
[16:56:12] hashbang: the X300 Radeon driver that Dave Airlie has been working on should be in Xorg shortly.
[16:56:24] Juski: I mean I'll have to replace the box eventually when HD comes along (if I even bother with it)
[16:56:30] Juski: but that's not the point
[16:56:31] kayelem: Still, i suppose if it all goes all flashy I could at least design my own simple, plain, clear theme.
[16:56:36] hashbang: and certainly I've done well with the Xorg radeon driver and my 7500.
[16:56:43] gutano: as a zealot, I believe it is my obligation to say... Juski: quit whining about bad support for your card, and go read about drivers/3d
[16:56:44] Juski: and yeah you'll still be able to use the Qt painter for a bit...
[16:56:51] gutano: make one
[16:56:52] Juski: lol
[16:56:56] Juski: or stop using linux
[16:57:01] gutano: fair enough
[16:57:50] gutano: in order for it to go all flashy, it would have to be rewritten again
[16:57:59] dev: Juski: so dont upgrade
[16:58:02] Juski: all the while forgetting I could put a PCI nvidia card in there
[16:58:06] Juski: duh!
[16:58:41] gutano: I have a 1/2 height GF2 you could probably have for $15 and shipping (friends actually)
[16:59:02] Juski: anyway, I'd PAY for a working linux driver. you read that right
[16:59:07] kayelem: ugh, GF2 doesn't interlace on the RGB out....
[16:59:20] Juski: I don't give a rat's chuff about open source if it _works)
[16:59:41] hashbang: kayelem: one of the nvidia chipsets that doesn't, presumably...
[17:00:07] gutano: Juski: you can pay me to keep a branch of the old UI with the new releases =D
[17:00:08] kayelem: hashbang, seems like it. GF4 and later all do interlace ok; when you use a non-broken driver...
[17:00:27] hashbang: kayelem: and the moon shines in the right direction.
[17:00:36] kayelem: hashbang, oh yes...
[17:01:04] Aid`: somewhere i read about a reciever for a remote that you can make it program to use your remote todo things on the computer
[17:01:08] Aid`: what is it called
[17:01:17] hashbang: lirc?
[17:01:23] gutano: alright, back to work... getting too distracted.... (starts adding bells & whistles)
[17:01:25] Aid`: got an extra one for sale?
[17:02:12] gutano: google ir blaster
[17:02:22] Juski: anyway I suppose I'm just pissed off because of all the work my theme needs because of the 'improvements'
[17:02:46] gutano: Juski: ahhh... you have a theme.. the anger makes sense now
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[17:03:44] Juski: yep – having to change my stuff to accomodate changes I didn't want in the first place... hey ho
[17:04:04] gutano: is your theme in the tree somewhere?
[17:04:10] kayelem: hmmm....
[17:04:29] Juski: no it's not
[17:04:34] kayelem: Juski, so, from your experience, you might recommend I *don't* design my own theme as madness may ensue..?
[17:04:40] Beirdo: needless changes suck
[17:04:57] Juski: kayelem: I strongly recommend that if you do, you never release it
[17:05:10] kayelem: I keep thinking of a "more retro than 'Retro'" theme to go with the fifties television sets...
[17:05:24] Juski: or at least don't post about it on the users list ;-)
[17:05:33] Beirdo: how un-community-wise of ya, Juski :)
[17:05:35] Beirdo: heh
[17:05:58] kayelem: yay, my tv listings are back!
[17:06:16] kayelem: damn knoppmyth default install has no rotation of mysql.log
[17:06:16] Juski: jees – all this & I haven't even moderated the forum for a couple of days...
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[17:06:22] kayelem: it ate my / partition.
[17:06:39] dev: burp it up!
[17:06:56] ** dev performs the himelich **
[17:07:00] dev: (sp) :P
[17:07:44] ** kayelem pencils memo to self: "remember to disable mysql.log when installing KM" **
[17:09:10] Aid`: i bought a Wintv Go Plus and it came with a remote, and a 'reciever' is that an IR blaster?
[17:09:33] Juski: nope
[17:10:43] Aid`: so they're lying?
[17:10:49] Aid`: http://www.hauppauge.com/Pages/products/data_goplus.html
[17:11:04] kayelem: "IR blaster" == device by which thew computer can control other devices via IR remote.
[17:11:07] Aid`: or is that just a control specific one?
[17:12:02] kayelem: are you looking to have the computer control other devices; or control the computer from an IR handset?
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[17:12:38] gardengnome: re
[17:12:59] LoneShadow: does pvr 150 have connectors for IR rx/tx ?
[17:13:04] LoneShadow: the MCE version
[17:13:36] Aid`: im looking to be able to control mythtv with the control
[17:14:15] Juski: argghhh noob postings on the forums! arghhhhhhhhhhhhhh! why did I look today?
[17:14:16] kayelem: My Hauppauge Nova-T came with a remote and IR receiver; i have it controlling MythTV now.
[17:14:36] kayelem: Aid`, you need to look at lirc
[17:14:54] Aid`: i also need to get the remote and hook it up to my computer ^.^
[17:15:08] kayelem: With luck, a following wind, the right colour candles, and the right magic incantations most of the IR remotes that come with TV cards can be made to work.
[17:15:28] ** Juski goes to rock gently in the corner til teatime **
[17:15:38] kayelem: Juski, oh dear... that bad...?
[17:16:05] Aid`: okay thanks
[17:16:22] Aid`: because i dont like lugging around a big huge keyboard to control mythtv
[17:16:47] kayelem: it's a bit... interesting... there's quite a lot to get right before it works. At least 3 configuration files.
[17:17:03] Juski: pre-birthday blues come early this year I think. too much computer time, not enough playtime
[17:17:19] gardengnome: Juski: i thought computer time was playtime?
[17:17:33] Aid`: but atleast there's how-tos for all this, right?
[17:17:41] kayelem: Aid`, yup.
[17:17:44] Aid`: or documentation
[17:18:10] Aid`: okay great... my reciever and control are at another house
[17:18:13] kayelem: Though I ended up asking someone with the same remote as me for a copy of his config files...
[17:18:37] Juski: gardengnome: PLAY time – going out, getting shit-faced & offending strangers (or something)
[17:19:24] Juski: gonna have to make a point of doing something vaguely social next weekend. even if it kills me
[17:20:14] kayelem: I need to hire a van and go collect a TV from near Birmingham.
[17:20:32] kayelem: I suppose that might cound as vaguely social; I'd be meeting another TV collector.
[17:20:52] gardengnome: kayelem: not sure if that counts.
[17:21:56] kayelem: so it only counts if I spend time with non-geeks; or do non-geek things with other geeks? ;-)
[17:22:12] gardengnome: kayelem: kinda, yes ;)
[17:22:44] kayelem: Having a guided tour of someone else's ancient TV collection doesn't count...
[17:22:44] kayelem: hmm...
[17:22:50] kayelem: He's got more than me; it'd be an all-day thing...
[17:24:59] Juski: just stay away from the testcards – they give you your 1st one free but after that... ;-)
[17:27:01] kayelem: oh, I have a collection of those...
[17:30:08] kayelem: ...and I'm soon to acquire a 405-line caption projector/camera setup... might have to try to get testcards on slides for that...
[17:30:14] kayelem: oops, sorry... my general sadness is showing... ;-)
[17:33:01] kayelem: hm... that reminds me; I could do with tweaking the image gallery thingy so there's an option to stretch images to the full res X is running.
[17:33:33] kayelem: as atm I have to scale testcards to the weird resolutions I end up with.
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[17:36:00] kayelem: Oops... I killed conversation..? :-}
[17:36:24] gardengnome: no, it's ok. talk geeky to us.
[17:36:25] gardengnome: ;)
[17:40:16] kayelem: I need to port this to Linux – http://www.oodletuz.fsnet.co.uk/soft/tcmaker.htm
[17:40:36] kayelem: Currently it's the only thing i need a 'doze box for. I should try it with Wine.
[17:41:19] gardengnome: doesn't sound too sophisticated, it might just work with wine
[17:41:40] kayelem: yeah, it's fairly basic; doesn't use DirectX as far as i can tell.
[17:42:50] kayelem: If you give it the TV standard the frequency gratings are accurate. Which is nice :)
[17:42:53] kayelem: atm though I generate them at 1600x1200 then scale them to 968x378 to match the X resolution I currently run for 405
[17:43:26] kayelem: ...if the image gallery could be persuaded to scale images fullscreen I'd not need to keep testcards in different resolutions, though.
[17:44:21] kayelem: You just can't beat a proper test card for setting up overscan and picture geometry correctly, though.
[17:45:03] gardengnome: i should look into that. overscan is one of my least favourite topics..
[17:45:31] kayelem: same here.
[17:46:24] kayelem: Actually, another niggle with MythTV... it'd be nice if the GUI could run fullscreen but the content of the GUI be "shrunk"; rather than just having to set the size of the GUI.
[17:46:26] xris: gardengnome: do you get a bright blue line on the side of the screen with your nvidia card?
[17:47:17] gardengnome: xris: i think i used to... but i never got rid of it. but i sometimes had a blue one on the bottom of the screen :) either overscan properly or use xvattr to set the xv overloay to black
[17:47:33] kayelem: on older TVs I lose chunks of UI in the corners
[17:47:50] xris: gardengnome: hmm, I'll have to play with xvattr
[17:48:39] kayelem: This illustrates the problem – http://www.technogoths.demon.co.uk/405/20060529-405-PG.jpg
[17:48:54] kayelem: ...that monitor's set up for correct overscan with Test Card C
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[18:13:02] Aid`: anyone here have a WinTV GO Plus ?
[18:15:23] Aid`: also does anyone know how to setup a IR Blaster
[18:22:44] xris: Aid`: google for "losdos mythtv" for reasonable ir blaster instructions
[18:26:08] Aid`: how about IR Revievers?
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[18:27:37] xris: Aid`: lots of info about lirc floating around
[18:29:14] Aid`: oh lirc, thanks
[18:29:39] xris: you'll need lirc for both
[18:29:59] xris: sometimes it's easier to run two instances, so that losdos one is has some nice tools for easily compiling a second instance.
[18:30:07] xris: was the only way I ever got my blaster to work
[18:30:36] Aid`: ok
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[18:34:16] rhett: anyone there got a moment to answer a newb question?
[18:36:20] kayelem: ...That tends to depend on whether the newb question in question could easily be answered by reading FAQ or HOWTO or a quick Google search...
[18:36:47] rhett: well I'm reading alot of that as we speak, and not seeing anything containing to it.
[18:37:05] rhett: however if I do get to ask my question and it was in FAQ, etc and over looked by me I welcome all insults.
[18:37:15] kayelem: heh, fair enough...
[18:37:41] kayelem: tbh, some answers to questions of mine have been a bit well-buried...
[18:38:05] rhett: well lets see.
[18:38:06] rhett: I live out in the middle of nowhere, I've heard mention that mythtv works with some satellite providers. Does it work with DirectTV?
[18:38:25] kormoc: via the satalite box, and a ir blaster, aye
[18:39:23] rhett: well that's good to know.
[18:39:25] rhett: thanks.
[18:40:11] kayelem: I guess it's fair to say that, with a TV capture card and an IR blaster and the STB provided for your cable/sat service MythTV will work with anything?
[18:40:38] rhett: no clue.
[18:40:50] kormoc: provided that the ir blaster can output the correct signals, aye
[18:40:50] rhett: where is the best place to get an IR Blaster?
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[18:41:01] kormoc: lirc.org has info on that
[18:41:05] rhett: thanks.
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[19:11:05] AndyCap: Hmm, I know why my backend was acting weirdly at least. Something screwed up my channels table :/
[19:11:11] GTswagger: I was editing the commercial cut points for a recording, sneezed and hit a few buttons ... video went away.... now when I try to play it it freezes. I can't even get in edit mode to try and undo whatever I did. Mythfrontend locks up and spits out this error repeatedly: Waited too long for decoder to pause .... any ideas?
[19:11:35] JustWilliam: its broken
[19:11:52] GTswagger: e.g. – the recording is hosed?
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[19:16:59] GTswagger: bah ; I guess I"ll try running mythcommflag on it again
[19:17:16] scales: question for anyone with a remote that is using lirc. if you hold down a button, say the down arrow, will your mythtv constanly scroll, or will it just move one space? is there some setting in lirc for this? reason is that i dont want to scroll through 15 gigs of mame roms one at a time........
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[19:18:39] gutano: scales: dunno =/ but common sense tells me there is a setting for repeat signal, lirc has been around for a while, so it should have a bit of polish
[19:18:45] GTswagger: there is a "repeat" param in your .lircrc file ... controls how many seconds to wait before it accepts your button being held down again
[19:18:57] gutano: like the wipe down with a rag polish, not the poland kind
[19:19:28] GTswagger: Also, if your remote has " | >" and "< |" buttons ... those are usually mapped to page down/page up
[19:19:32] ** gutano is intrigued by the spelling and goes googling **
[19:19:40] GTswagger: so you can press the button once and it'll scroll down the entire page
[19:20:03] Juski: re
[19:20:17] Juski: about the lirc question.. see the 'delay' and 'repeat' values
[19:21:50] scales: humm, right, now i see the repeat value, where is the delay? and what does that do? also, in the case of mythgame, could i change the remote button mapping for just mythgame?
[19:22:15] GTswagger: This is MythTV; not the Nintento Wii  ;)
[19:22:20] Juski: repeat == the rate at which keys repeat
[19:22:40] Juski: it's in the lirc docs, amazingly
[19:23:08] GTswagger: Juski – you use Debian aye?  :D
[19:23:35] Juski: whatever gives you that impression?
[19:23:57] gardengnome: your arrogance? ;)))
[19:24:01] GTswagger: Oh call it observational intuition
[19:24:09] Juski: I wouldn't wii on a nintendo box if it was on fire :-P
[19:24:38] Juski: GTswagger: then you're wrong.. anyway...
[19:24:44] Aid`: i can't figure out how to get my IR Reciever to work :/
[19:24:52] GTswagger: Juski --> Debian variant?
[19:24:58] Juski: s'okay Aid` we can't either
[19:25:00] gutano: when did all debian ppl become arrogant?
[19:25:02] gardengnome: Aid`: you should be talking to juski then, he's an expert.
[19:25:11] ** gardengnome is being an evil bastard tonight :> **
[19:25:19] gutano: cooincidently, I'm not running debian... just curious
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[19:25:36] scales: AID' : what is your setup
[19:25:36] Aid`: gutano: what do you mean?
[19:25:47] gardengnome: gutano: all debian people? i didn't say that; it's just that lots of people say that about their community. but they're prolly just annoyed by clueless users.
[19:25:54] Juski: what the hell does it matter what distro I choose?
[19:26:02] GTswagger: gutano — enter #debian for a few hours. ..... but I advise against going in there unarmed :)
[19:26:03] gutano: Aid`: read up a few lines...
[19:26:14] Aid`: I have a WinTv Go PLus 'bttv' module. I have "Debian Sarge"
[19:26:39] gutano: all support channels are like that GTswagger, they're just angry because your asking dumb questions that where on page 1 of the install manual ;D
[19:27:16] Juski: "which distro is best to use for mythtv?" is as common as "which type of gas is best for killing yourself with?"
[19:27:27] gutano: ^^ +1
[19:27:34] GTswagger: gutano – lol ; nah .. I've been in them all ... I was on the hunt for a distro that would make me happy a few years ago and tried about a dozen before settling down.... and they were absolutely brutal on newbies in there :) It's like the Hybrid episode of South Park
[19:27:44] gutano: =/
[19:28:04] Juski: I've tried a few recently, and I decided I hate them all, but I hate gentoo the least
[19:28:12] gutano: I've come to the conclusion that I can pretty much get the same desktop setup in almost every distro
[19:28:13] ** kormoc loves gentoo **
[19:28:15] scales: haha
[19:28:16] GTswagger: wow you use Gentoo too Juski??
[19:28:21] GTswagger: os[Linux 2.6.15-gentoo-r1 i686] distro[Gentoo Base System version 1.6.14] cpu[2 x Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz @ 3.22GHz] mem[Physical : 1009MB, 3.5% free] disk[Total : 330.06GB, 45.60% Free] video[nVidia Corporation NV43 [GeForce 6600/GeForce 6600 GT]] sound[Audigy – Audigy 1 [SB0090]]
[19:28:27] Juski: hey I like sufferring
[19:28:30] GTswagger: lol
[19:28:31] gutano: hehe
[19:29:02] kormoc: GTswagger. heh, no need to start slinging system stats around, no need to get into a pissing contest :P
[19:29:05] gutano: went on a testing spree on my laptop while ago... ubuntu -> debian -> suse -> ubuntu
[19:29:09] GTswagger: ;)
[19:29:17] Juski: kormoc: but this .. it's an IRC channel ain't it?
[19:29:19] gutano: just trying ubuntu again, because I must have missed what made it so great the first time
[19:29:21] Juski: ;-)
[19:29:27] ** kormoc laughs **
[19:29:35] kormoc: indeed it is, but we can strive to be better!
[19:29:41] GTswagger: SuSe 10.0 was my gold standard for newbies ... and then I tried to upgrade a friend's system from SuSe 10.0 to 10.1 and I screamed in horror :(
[19:30:04] Juski: this channel == holier than any other IRC channel I've ever seen – and that my friends is a sad endictment
[19:30:05] kormoc: Same gentoo install for 6 years
[19:30:08] gutano: suse was super easy to setup, stuff worked, but I hate the config files being in weird places
[19:30:11] GTswagger: SuSe 10.1's package management system is so incredibly broken as to be unusable.  :( I'm patiently awaiting SuSe Linux Enterprise Desktop to be released.
[19:30:36] scales: what about fedora?
[19:30:37] gutano: YaST or whatever... just hate that part
[19:30:47] Juski: there's much less noob flaming in here.. sometimes not enough
[19:30:48] gutano: been meaning to try fedora, had forgotten =/
[19:31:03] gutano: haven't used any redhat since like 8
[19:31:10] GTswagger: The problem with Fedora for n00bs (IMHO) is that you have to sacrifice a goat to use non-GPL stuff in Fedora.
[19:31:34] Juski: GTswagger: what – like the bits mythtv needs?
[19:31:55] GTswagger: Fedora Frog helps; but upgrading after using Fedora Frog is like dropping a nuclear bomb on your system
[19:31:58] gutano: anyhow, if you don't mind the compiling.... I really like gentoo
[19:32:06] GTswagger: win32codecs, nvidia driver, quicktime, mp3 support, etc etc etc
[19:32:12] GTswagger: adobe acrobat, java, realplayer...
[19:32:26] onetwo: fedora fc4 running ok with mythstream, mythstreamtv, mythburn, and current svn just fine, using nova-s, nova-t and pvr150
[19:32:33] Juski: I was initially impressed by Ubuntu from a mythtv user perspective, but that was before the packages for 0.19 weren't officially un-released
[19:32:58] gutano: it's a bit RMS'ish, but I just avoid programs who focus on windows, and sites that use the tech heavily
[19:33:02] ** gutano shrugs **
[19:33:02] GTswagger: I think Ubuntu is probably the fastest improving distro... though its KDE support is still really bad
[19:33:25] Juski: you dont need a fully blown DE for mythtv setups anyway
[19:33:33] scales: i like gnome i think over kde
[19:33:42] scales: but what the heck do i know
[19:33:47] ** gutano shrugs and hugs fluxbox **
[19:33:54] Aid`: whjen i configure LIRC should my IR Reciever show up in /proc/bus/input/devices ?
[19:33:54] GTswagger: Flux is pretty good
[19:33:55] ** Juski is more at home on the command line than ever **
[19:33:59] GTswagger: I use XFCE on my old Thinkpad
[19:33:59] scales: sure i like flux too
[19:34:03] gutano: I use XFCE on my laptop
[19:34:14] scales: what do you all use on your myth machines
[19:34:14] gutano: flux is kinda hard to mana if you are using a crap mouse =/
[19:34:21] gutano: manage
[19:34:21] GTswagger: Aid` for me it's uhhh
[19:34:25] GTswagger: /dev/lirc/0
[19:34:26] GTswagger: I think
[19:34:31] onetwo: also for a while I have a frontend running on xebian obviously on an xbox.
[19:35:01] Juski: xebian could do with some streamlining, or is it just the lameness of the xbox letting it down?
[19:35:14] gutano: scales: I only have myth on my desktop atm =/ between appartments atm (got off school a month ago, move in on july 1st)
[19:35:41] gutano: Juski: I think you can run a standard x86 profile of gentoo on xbox now
[19:35:45] onetwo: Juski, it's touch and go I think, and the xbox is so noisy.
[19:35:49] gutano: scales: so gentoo
[19:35:53] Aid`: okay now i have /dev/lirc /dev/lirc0 /dev/lircd /dev/lircm, is that all i need?
[19:36:08] Juski: xbox isn't noisy if you wear ear defenders
[19:36:22] onetwo: would those be made by bose?
[19:36:24] GTswagger: Aid` --> /dev/lirc0 is likely your remote
[19:36:40] Aid`: okay what should i look into next, to be able to use that
[19:36:42] gutano: you could probably open it up, put a larger passive HS on cpu and run fanless
[19:36:45] Juski: I wouldn't have Bose kit if you left it by my front door
[19:37:04] onetwo: I wouldn't
[19:37:06] Juski: xbox is damn fugly anyway
[19:37:13] ** gutano nods **
[19:37:17] gutano: very nice box to hack though
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[19:37:20] GTswagger: Run MythTV on my desktop as well... had to create a script to launch MythTV though, as stock MythTV doesn't play nice with XGL
[19:37:21] gutano: for the cheap
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[19:37:35] Juski: I've got a box all set up with mythtv for a linux show demo, but that's about all it's good for
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[19:38:14] gutano: GTswagger: what distro did you say you where using... I got XGL to work on a spare partition while ago, took me forever, finaly got it to chug on ubuntu
[19:38:20] GTswagger: Gentoo
[19:38:20] Juski: it'll be good for taking back to my hotelroom & playing drunk driving games tho
[19:38:54] gutano: GTswagger: nice, since I use my box for work atm, I haven't been playing with anything fun (fun == common breakage)
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[19:39:15] GTswagger: XGL on Gentoo is fairly straightforward because CoffeeBuzz has created a SVN Portage overlay for XGL .. just follow the Gentoo official Xorg 7 guide then the Gentoo wiki XGL guide
[19:39:38] gutano: Juski: how do you do your dual boot your xbox with linux? linux on a file in xfs?
[19:39:54] Juski: the latter
[19:40:01] onetwo: mine was on a loopback as well
[19:40:03] gutano: that slow?
[19:40:08] gutano: I've been meaning to try it
[19:40:10] Juski: yup
[19:40:13] gutano: =/
[19:40:49] Juski: I still play the occasional game so I don't wanna be screwing around swapping the HDD
[19:40:55] Juski: not again anyway
[19:40:57] gutano: hehe
[19:41:09] gutano: got one from old roomate for $25, dead dvd drive
[19:41:22] Juski: it's already in a state where I can't ever use the MS dashboard ever again
[19:41:30] gutano: really?
[19:41:37] gutano: I think there's always a way to get that back?
[19:41:44] Juski: well without putting the original hard drive back in
[19:41:47] Juski: ooo 10GB!
[19:41:56] gutano: why do you need orig HD?
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[19:42:02] Aid`: headache from this IR configuration that isn't working:xz
[19:42:11] GTswagger: Because 10GB isn't enough for his pr0n?
[19:42:14] GTswagger: @ gutano
[19:42:21] Juski: because... the xbox dashboard relies on having a security coded HDD
[19:42:25] gutano: no no, why does he need orig HD to get to dashboard
[19:42:33] GTswagger: ohh
[19:42:39] Juski: and the HDD inside it can't be passworded
[19:42:44] gutano: there is a nice cd you can use to code your new hdd
[19:42:52] Juski: tried it
[19:42:55] Juski: doesn't work
[19:42:58] gutano: worked fine for me
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[19:43:05] Juski: depends on the HDD model
[19:43:07] onetwo: might depend on version of xbox
[19:43:10] gutano: nah
[19:43:17] gutano: I read quite a bit about the xbox stuff
[19:43:27] gutano: I replaced my dvd drive
[19:43:34] gutano: and I can still use the regular dash
[19:43:46] GTswagger: Well — I would say you guys could just wait for a Playstation 3 since it will essentially be a Linux PC; but seeing as how it will cost your kidney and first born... and seeing what Sony did to kill homebrew on the PSP; I think not
[19:43:50] Juski: I'm telling you it depends on the model of HDD & whether or not it supports the password crap
[19:43:56] gutano: oh the new hdd
[19:44:03] gutano: yeah, needs to have locking
[19:44:21] gutano: thought you meant depends on old hd
[19:44:33] Juski: well in a way it kinda does
[19:44:43] gutano: the key is super easy to get off old hd
[19:44:49] Juski: I know
[19:45:05] Juski: but, if the new HDD doesn't support being keyed, you're stuffed
[19:45:18] gutano: anyhow... if you where iterested I'm sure you'd have pursued it more
[19:45:53] Juski: I went as far as I could be bothered to. new hDD didn't support locking.. oh well, que sera
[19:46:12] gutano: I was under the impression that you couldn't use a drive at all that didn't allow locking
[19:46:25] Juski: you can't – not with the MS dash
[19:46:26] gutano: atleast not without a cromwell bios or something odd like that
[19:46:29] Juski: anyway...
[19:46:40] gutano: hrrm... what dash are you using?
[19:46:48] Juski: evo-x
[19:47:03] gutano: that just let you use like fat32?
[19:47:11] Juski: xfat or bust
[19:47:14] ** gutano nods **
[19:47:56] gutano: I didn't read much on it, but I know there is a dual-hdd setup (I guess this stuck in my mind a little more than most since my dvd was dead)
[19:48:07] Juski: ah fack I have to emerge & keep the source for loads of packages
[19:48:49] Juski: man emerge (again)
[19:49:23] kleptophobiac2: anybody using component out on an nvidia 6 or 7 series card?
[19:49:41] gutano: so what are ppl's opinions of ps3 so far... sound really cool for a second pc? or way too expensive for a gaming console
[19:50:02] dtm: too expensive for either
[19:50:03] kleptophobiac2: sounds like a crap second pc and an overpriced game console
[19:50:14] kleptophobiac2: i'm not going to touch it with a ten foot pole
[19:50:17] gutano: hehe
[19:50:50] Juski: at least with the PS3, you won't have paid the price you paid for the console with like 2 games though
[19:51:15] Juski: xbox == £99. == the price of 2 recent games :-/
[19:51:31] gutano: xbox with dead dvd == $25 =D
[19:51:37] gutano: go team
[19:51:48] onetwo: Nintendo for games, compaq for business, abit/amd for home. (PS/2 for kids and xbox for Halo obviously)
[19:51:59] gutano: onetwo: lol
[19:52:11] onetwo: light touchpaper and stand well back
[19:53:28] gutano: make
[19:53:31] gutano: oops
[19:54:29] Juski: damn. I could have sworn the emerge command can just grab the source
[19:55:35] Aid`: how easy is it to program lirc to do certain things when it recieves a signal?
[19:55:55] kleptophobiac2: Aid` – not hard
[19:56:02] kleptophobiac2: lircrc + irxevent
[19:56:06] Aid`: ok
[19:56:06] kleptophobiac2: or native lirc programs
[19:56:07] Aid`: thanks
[19:56:20] Juski: or if it's just for mythtv & xine or mplayer, you just make/download 3 files
[19:56:35] Aid`: ya its for mythtv
[19:56:36] Juski: lircd.conf, which is the file telling lirc how your remote buttons work
[19:56:46] kleptophobiac2: that's all i use it for, but i use irxevent so I can have a way to kill and restart mythfe if it crashes
[19:57:04] Juski: then for mythtv you need lircrc which you put in ~/.mythtv
[19:57:04] Aid`: what do i do for mythtv?
[19:57:37] Juski: Aid`: will you do yourself a favour and read up on this subject? wanting to be spoon-fed doesn't often go down well in here
[19:57:56] Aid`: i just wondernig if you just install a 'plugin' or whatnot
[19:58:06] Juski: no – mythtv comes with lirc support built in
[19:58:14] Juski: all you do is put a file in ~/.mythtv
[19:58:22] Aid`: lircrc,right?
[19:58:28] Juski: which you'd know if you'd read the docs. seriously, reading is not overrated
[19:58:51] Aid`: ok
[20:02:09] kleptophobiac2: any crystal ball seers have an idea when the next nvidia drivers might come out?
[20:03:26] Juski: when they fix some more bugs?
[20:03:39] Juski: and break some working stuff? :-P
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[20:06:55] kleptophobiac2: heh
[20:06:55] kleptophobiac2: yeah
[20:07:07] kleptophobiac2: i'm looking for a fix to the opengl timing issue with hd1080i
[20:08:05] Juski: that's not glsync stuff is it?
[20:10:01] Juski: haha. there's something I never expected to hear my wife say.,... "how do I turn deinterlacing off?"
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[20:12:21] gutano: haha
[20:12:42] gutano: (15:11:55) kruthl35: yeah interlacing has been knows to piss women off
[20:13:08] kleptophobiac2: heh
[20:13:17] Juski: it's for one of our dvd rips.. lucky I mapped a lirc key for it
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[20:13:52] kleptophobiac2: the problem with the current nvidia drivers is that they hang with 100% X cpu usage in HD1080i mode if you're using GL vsync
[20:13:59] kleptophobiac2: known bug since feb
[20:14:15] Juski: has the --keep-source option gone away from the emerge command or something?
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[20:14:45] kormoc: Juski, hrm?
[20:14:49] Juski: if it has, or indeed if it never existed (!), then I'm in for some fun
[20:15:04] kormoc: kleptophobiac2, yeah, which is why you just disable opengl vsync for hd videos, is that a real problem?
[20:15:30] kleptophobiac2: yeah, because then it's not synced
[20:15:39] kleptophobiac2: you get tearing
[20:15:41] Juski: kormoc: I could have sworn there was a way to keep the source after an emerge, and not to build it, but I can't find it
[20:15:52] kleptophobiac2: and then you have to deinterlace it anyway because the frames aren't synced to odd/even output of the video card
[20:15:56] kormoc: Juski, there is, it's covered in the ebuild command
[20:16:04] kormoc: kleptophobiac2, what nvidia card?
[20:16:13] kleptophobiac2: any of the component capable cards
[20:16:16] kleptophobiac2: 6000 series
[20:16:20] kleptophobiac2: specifically I have the 6150
[20:16:50] kormoc: it should do the auto-interlace detect and send the interlaced video directly out to the tv. Are you resizing on the mythbox?
[20:17:01] kleptophobiac2: yes
[20:17:11] kleptophobiac2: all video gets output at 1920x1080
[20:17:24] kormoc: so in other words, you are not resizing 1080i content
[20:17:29] kleptophobiac2: no
[20:17:33] kormoc: and it's not auto-detecting and sending it as is?
[20:17:42] kleptophobiac2: that's not the problem
[20:17:52] kleptophobiac2: myth knows when content is interlaced and when it isn't
[20:17:52] kormoc: <kleptophobiac2> and then you have to deinterlace it anyway because the frames aren't synced to odd/even output of the video card
[20:17:55] kormoc: no
[20:18:08] kormoc: the videocard drivers support sending the raw interlaced signal out to the tv
[20:18:14] kleptophobiac2: yeah
[20:18:16] kleptophobiac2: and it is
[20:18:17] kleptophobiac2: *but*
[20:18:20] kleptophobiac2: without sync
[20:18:25] kleptophobiac2: it doesn't work well
[20:18:26] kormoc: so then why would it be screwing with the field order?
[20:18:36] kormoc: it still syncs, just via the rtc rather then opengl
[20:18:38] kleptophobiac2: myth doesn't know when the nvidia driver is outputting an odd or even field
[20:18:47] kormoc: you do have enchanced rtc support in your kernel, right?
[20:18:55] kleptophobiac2: yes, that part works
[20:19:01] kormoc: myth doesn't need to know, the videocard drivers do all that work
[20:19:06] kleptophobiac2: but they're not
[20:19:09] kleptophobiac2: because of the nvidia driver bug
[20:19:13] kleptophobiac2: nvidia knows about it
[20:19:18] kleptophobiac2: but hasn't fixed it yet
[20:19:21] kleptophobiac2: it's in their bugtracker
[20:19:21] kormoc: the opengl sync issue is a different but then that
[20:19:36] kleptophobiac2: the nvidia drivers hang when trying to output vsynced video at 1080i
[20:19:51] kleptophobiac2: without vsync, the image tears and the interlacing gets fubarred
[20:19:51] kormoc: well, you can go down to 7676, opengl vsync with 1080i works with that version
[20:20:04] kleptophobiac2: but 7676 doesn't support this video chip or component out at all
[20:20:19] kormoc: ooh? it supports my 6200 and my 6800
[20:20:20] ** kormoc shrugs **
[20:20:27] kleptophobiac2: using component? not dvi?
[20:20:37] kormoc: from my testing, it seems so, aye
[20:20:54] kormoc: but it wasn't a very good test, it was component -> box -> svideo -> tv
[20:21:05] Juski: so – looks like gentoo isnt the thing to be using if you wanna build stuff with GAR then
[20:21:07] kleptophobiac2: and you're not using one of those component adapters nvidia sells, but a native nvidia component out on the 6000 series card?
[20:21:17] kormoc: aye
[20:21:19] kleptophobiac2: hmmmm
[20:21:24] kleptophobiac2: i'll have to take a look at that
[20:21:45] kormoc: I'll see if I can get ahold of that component to svideo adapter again from my friend and test more
[20:21:55] kleptophobiac2: ok
[20:22:28] kormoc: As sadly, I don't actually own a hd-tv :/
[20:22:46] scales: if i have two partitions on my drive, one for fedora and one for windows, (actually 3 if you include the swap), is it possible to erase the windows partition and add the space onto my existing fedora partition? or could i just copy all the data on my fedora drive to an external drive, and reformat the two partitions and then copy the files back?
[20:22:46] kleptophobiac2: :-/
[20:22:58] kleptophobiac2: scales – depends on what filesystem
[20:23:03] scales: hummm
[20:23:12] kleptophobiac2: xfs and reiserfs can "grow" themselves
[20:23:26] kleptophobiac2: i think jfs can too
[20:23:27] kormoc: ext3 can be resized too
[20:23:42] scales: i cant remember what i used, it was either ext3 or xfs i think
[20:23:49] kormoc: http://sourceforge.net/projects/ext2resize/
[20:23:53] scales: well actually i thing it is ext3
[20:24:01] kormoc: but really
[20:24:04] kleptophobiac2: i prefer reiserfs for my main partitions and xfs for my large scale storage
[20:24:11] kormoc: you should backup to the external drive just in case
[20:24:19] kormoc: you don't want to lose your data if it doesn't resize right
[20:24:29] kleptophobiac2: yeah, *always* keep backups before any fs manipulation
[20:24:50] scales: uh huh that is for sure. now unlike windows, i could just copy all the files off and then copy them all on right?
[20:25:01] Juski: ah screw it I'll look into it some other time...
[20:25:04] kormoc: if you copy correctly
[20:25:15] scales: ok
[20:25:24] kormoc: you'll need to pass in the flags to deal with special files and sym links and hard links and permissions and ownership correctly
[20:25:31] kormoc: man cp will go over all the options
[20:26:39] scales: k, i will check into it. is there some other easy or optimal way to backup?
[20:27:03] kleptophobiac2: uhm
[20:27:04] kleptophobiac2: not really
[20:27:07] kormoc: if you really want to
[20:27:19] kormoc: you can use dd to create a perfect image of the drive how it is right no
[20:27:19] kormoc: w
[20:27:21] kleptophobiac2: you pretty much just copy everything you want somewhere else
[20:27:29] kleptophobiac2: and move it back later
[20:27:32] kleptophobiac2: the dd method
[20:27:34] kleptophobiac2: is more difficult
[20:27:38] kormoc: not really
[20:27:46] kleptophobiac2: it's easier to screw up your partitioning that way
[20:27:48] kormoc: dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hard_drive.img
[20:27:58] kleptophobiac2: esp if you use block mode
[20:27:59] kormoc: kleptophobiac2, how? it copys the partition table with the data
[20:28:04] kleptophobiac2: yeah
[20:28:12] kleptophobiac2: but what if you're resizing partitions and don't want the partition table?
[20:28:24] kleptophobiac2: which is what I think he's doing
[20:28:32] kormoc: this is a incase things go to shit, start over at the start again
[20:28:38] kormoc: dd is much simplier for that
[20:28:39] kleptophobiac2: well
[20:28:40] kleptophobiac2: in that case
[20:28:41] kleptophobiac2: yeah
[20:28:43] kleptophobiac2: dd is great
[20:28:46] kleptophobiac2: read to an image
[20:28:47] kleptophobiac2: it's like ghost
[20:28:49] kleptophobiac2: but free!
[20:29:12] scales: humm because right now it dualboots between windows and fc5, so i think i will need to fix lilo too.
[20:29:24] kormoc: fc5 uses grub by default
[20:29:35] scales: i think i chose lilo
[20:29:36] kormoc: but yeah, likely a little bit of changes to the bootloader config, but nothing too bad at all
[20:29:37] kleptophobiac2: i prefer grub... easier to save your ass if you screw up something
[20:29:39] kormoc: fair juff
[20:30:02] kleptophobiac2: fewer boot floppies required :p
[20:30:14] xris: scales: why would you choose lilo?
[20:30:21] scales: ha,
[20:30:39] xris: kleptophobiac2: not to mention that grub can actually read a filesystem
[20:31:10] kleptophobiac2: that's what makes it so much easier
[20:31:18] scales: well my friend was sitting next to me when i installed it, and i think he said something like "oh yeah i know more about grub, but i think i heard that lilo is overall better" and since i dont know much i was like, ok
[20:31:19] kleptophobiac2: :)
[20:31:27] ** kormoc laughs **
[20:31:31] scales: then again he doesnt know that much
[20:31:32] scales: haha
[20:31:34] kleptophobiac2: lilo is nice if you're doing really basic stuff
[20:31:39] scales: ah
[20:31:40] kleptophobiac2: or working with old hardware
[20:31:41] kormoc: scales, grub is considered better overall, esp for dual booting :)
[20:31:55] kleptophobiac2: but grub is much nicer for dual boot and when mucking with multiple kernels
[20:32:04] scales: well kormoc, if i end up redoing it, i will use grub!
[20:32:46] scales: just so long as i can keep my whole setup, and just expand my partition, so i can use that extra 10 gigs, i will be happy
[20:32:56] ** kleptophobiac2 loves LVM **
[20:33:29] kormoc: yeah, if you can manage it, I would dd the drive image out of harms way, reside and do what not and see if it works, and if so, delete the image, if not, dd the image back over the drive and you're at square 1 again :)
[20:33:49] kleptophobiac2: of course
[20:33:52] kleptophobiac2: if you are nuking completely
[20:34:01] kleptophobiac2: you can start over with a fresh install
[20:34:05] kleptophobiac2: mount the image with -o loop
[20:34:12] kleptophobiac2: and just copy back stuff you want to save
[20:34:22] scales: ok guys hang on , i will be back in a few
[20:34:35] kormoc: kleptophobiac2, only if he images /dev/hda1, you can't mount a image that contains partitions via loopback
[20:34:45] kleptophobiac2: true
[20:35:23] gardengnome: kormoc: you sure it doesn't work? maybe you can specify offsets
[20:35:37] kleptophobiac2: yeah, but how do you know how big the offset is
[20:35:42] kleptophobiac2: I'm sure it *can* be done
[20:35:52] kleptophobiac2: but probably with a lot more effort than it's worth
[20:36:07] kleptophobiac2: you'd basically have to carve one partition out of the image
[20:36:10] kormoc: gardengnome, well, I don't know about offsets (I don't think so, but I didn't look into it too much), but yeah, the kernel won't deal with partitions on 'fake' dev nodes
[20:36:26] kormoc: it's why you can't partition /dev/md0 and get /dev/md0p0
[20:37:38] kleptophobiac2: i think there's an app that will take an image and emulate a true device
[20:37:48] kormoc: got a link?
[20:38:05] kleptophobiac2: i don't remember it off the top of my head
[20:38:09] kleptophobiac2: let me google a bit
[20:38:31] kleptophobiac2: it's sort of like daemon tools for windows
[20:39:14] gardengnome: i've seen something like that, too. i believe it's in portage, but i don't have a gentoo box handy right now.
[20:39:35] kleptophobiac2: google isn't being too helpful
[20:39:39] kleptophobiac2: lots of stuff about mac's
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[20:50:42] Juski: mac's what? and furthermore – who is mac?
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[21:16:28] Beirdo: I THINK I got the rssfeed stuff almost right :)
[21:16:29] Beirdo: yay
[21:16:49] Beirdo: Bot RSS: [beirdobot] at 23 Jun 2006 01:15 +0000 (GMT) – Changeset [162] by gjhurlbu (http://trac.beirdo.ca/projects/beirdobot/changeset/162)
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[21:17:42] Beirdo: the times are wrong due to stupid timezone issues
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[21:19:10] xris: Beirdo: not much you can do about that
[21:19:27] Beirdo: yeah, getdate won't parse the timezone :(
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[21:19:53] Beirdo: I'll mess with it a bit more
[21:20:02] Beirdo: and still need to add unloading support, etc.
[21:20:47] coolego1: When I press "G" and edit the recording brightness, contrast, color and hue, what exactly am I changing? Is there a database or something where I can set it for all channels instead of just the one that I'm watching?
[21:21:39] Beirdo: but all in all, it seems to be mostly there
[21:22:16] kormoc: coolego1, yes, the mysql database that you installed for myth
[21:23:40] coolego1: any reference on that one?
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[21:32:00] LabMonkey: uhm
[21:32:27] LabMonkey: so any suggestions on how to determine what driver is needed for the VFD on this case?
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[21:34:24] xoholic: guys, my mythtv-setup cannot connect to mysql server, though i can connect fine throught the console ? HELP
[21:34:56] gardengnome: you're prolly missing the mysql driver for qt. just a guess, though.
[21:35:27] xoholic: gardengnome: i have compiled my Qt with mysql support
[21:35:54] Juski: not Qt4 I hope
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[21:36:20] Juski: Labmonkey: maybe lcdproc or something
[21:36:39] LabMonkey: Juski: that's what I meant... I don't know which lcdproc driver to use
[21:36:49] Juski: look it up?
[21:37:09] LabMonkey: the VFD is connected to the IR modules and the IR module is USB
[21:37:23] Juski: eew
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[21:40:25] Juski: omfg. creative commons videos suck
[21:41:04] Juski: oh well. time to hit the hay. got lots of white knuckle rides to experience tomorrow :-D
[21:41:06] Juski: see ya
[21:41:12] AndyCap: listings, my precious listings.
[21:41:21] gardengnome: g'night.
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[21:41:30] gardengnome: Juski: have fun tomorrow!
[21:41:49] xoholic: Juski: i am using Qt-4.1.2
[21:42:04] gardengnome: xoholic: you need qt 3.
[21:42:10] gardengnome: anyways, i'm off
[21:43:09] xoholic: gardengnome: so Qt4 simply doesn't work !
[21:47:34] xoholic: gardengnome: so Qt4 simply doesn't work !
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[22:05:19] AndyCap: anyone have a hint for mythfilldatabase running in a loop?
[22:05:51] kormoc: it tends to loop for say 14 times the first time
[22:06:02] scales: humm. i think that jarods fedora guide goes into that?????
[22:06:12] scales: like once a day?
[22:06:29] kormoc: it would 'loop' twice once a day usually
[22:06:38] AndyCap: kormoc: hmm, ok. I'll see how far it runs. :P
[22:06:50] kormoc: but first fill is 14 'loops' as it grabs 14 days of data, one day at a time
[22:06:50] AndyCap: if it goes more than once pr channel I'm killing it
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[22:07:35] AndyCap: Ah, yeah I see the date now.
[22:09:06] Aid`: how come 'prog = mythfrontend' doesn't work in the lirc config?
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[22:12:11] scales: i think you just use mythtv
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[22:13:15] Cyberai: hey again everyone
[22:14:05] Cyberai: hail to D-side Scopeuk_ and all other myth gurus
[22:14:29] D-side: uh.
[22:14:31] Cyberai: well, I have my ubuntu-dapper + myth 0.19 box ALMOST working....
[22:14:37] Cyberai: everything is so close
[22:14:51] D-side: you're under some severe disillusions. ;)
[22:15:02] Cyberai: but when I try to watch tv I get a black screen and when I force quit myth I see this message at the console
[22:15:02] D-side: does that sentence even make sense? afk.
[22:15:09] Cyberai: "Connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543 (try 1 of 5)
[22:15:09] Cyberai: 2006-06–22 18:12:46.524 write -> 12 21 MYTH_PROTO_VERSION 26"
[22:15:29] GiantPickle: Hello all... I'm almost there on my mythtv install. The mythbackend keeps coughing on the nfslockfile.lock, saying Permission Denied! Unable to open lockfile. Can someone tell me which user.group is supposed to own the directory that you designate as your storage directory?
[22:15:35] Cyberai: well, lets just say I can watch dvd's play music, see the weather, news etc, and the guide works
[22:15:59] kormoc: GiantPickle, the user mythbackend runs as
[22:16:09] Cyberai: can anyone illuminate thie MYTH_PROTO_VERSION 26 error?
[22:16:14] kormoc: Cyberai, the two lines you posted are meaningless
[22:16:25] kormoc: that's not an error, that's just telling you that it connect with protocol version 26
[22:16:31] GiantPickle: kormoc: okay, thanks...
[22:17:02] kormoc: GiantPickle, or if you're lazy, chmod -R a+rw /path/to/videos/dir
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[22:18:27] Cyberai: kormoc, crap
[22:18:41] GiantPickle: kormoc: lazy or at wits end.. =)
[22:19:10] kormoc: Cyberai, run the frontend with -v all and it should spit out way more info for you
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[22:22:48] GiantPickle: kormoc: Well... thanks for the tip, but it didn't seem to solve the problem
[22:23:18] kormoc: GiantPickle, well, what's the exact messages?
[22:26:36] GiantPickle: /myth/nfslockfile.lock: Permission denied
[22:26:36] GiantPickle: Unable to open lockfile!
[22:26:36] GiantPickle: Be sure that '/myth' exists and that both
[22:26:36] GiantPickle: the directory and that file are writeable by this user.
[22:27:51] kormoc: ls -l /myth/nfslockfile.lock ?
[22:28:27] GiantPickle: -rw-rw-rw- 1 root video 0 Jun 22 08:22 /myth/nfslockfile.lock
[22:28:40] GiantPickle: at the moment
[22:28:46] GiantPickle: I've been trying various things
[22:28:53] kormoc: and mythbackend is running as user root?
[22:29:02] GiantPickle: it won't run
[22:29:09] GiantPickle: I'm trying to start is as root
[22:29:16] kormoc: right...
[22:29:22] kormoc: can you delete the lockfile?
[22:29:26] GiantPickle: sure
[22:29:31] GiantPickle: doesn't chagen anything
[22:29:35] kormoc: and it still causes the same error...
[22:29:35] kormoc: bah
[22:29:44] kormoc: is this a nfs mount?
[22:29:49] GiantPickle: nope
[22:30:15] kormoc: running the backend with -v all show anything else that might be helpful?
[22:31:59] GiantPickle: well... that is now telling me the database is not open and that I can't connect to the database
[22:32:33] kormoc: hrm, well, if you can fix that, maybe then it'll work
[22:34:01] GiantPickle: yeah.. thought I had that fixed already
[22:34:07] GiantPickle: not sure what is going on anymore
[22:40:43] bengoodger: hi
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[22:54:51] Ryushin: Is there a movie art program like albumart that integrates with myth?
[22:56:05] xris: thought mythvideo had something like that
[22:57:53] Ryushin: Hmm... Okay, I'll look into that.
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[22:58:52] Ryushin: Can myth itself look up cover art for a recorded movie?
[22:59:56] kormoc: no, just mythvideo
[22:59:58] Anduin: Ryushin: Only videos you move over to mythvideo (move the file, mythvide rescan)
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[23:03:15] GiantPickle: kormoc: Seems I _MAY_ have found my answer here: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV#Other
[23:03:46] kormoc: that actually fixed it?
[23:03:59] kormoc: cause that's not the error you were giving me :P
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[23:07:18] higen: hey.. a question regarding mythTv.. because i am today using something called Media Portal on Windows XP. but i realy do want to run linux.. because i want linux to do some server jobs for me.
[23:07:47] higen: i am not using any tv features.. the most important is that i can playback music, and moviefiles
[23:08:40] higen: but i am using a remotecontroll through a pinnacle PCTV 110i tv card.. not sure if its supported.. but my question are.. how are mythtv when it comes to playback of music and movies?
[23:09:47] xris: higen: not as good as with tv, probably not as good as mce, but decent
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[23:10:10] kormoc: well, there is mythvideo which is good, and mythmusic, which sorta sucks with large collections, but is useable
[23:10:29] higen: hmm.. my collection are large :P.. but probably not THAT large..
[23:10:42] higen: but isnt mythTV under the bench for google summer school?
[23:10:52] higen: i hope the music part get updated during that :)
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[23:11:13] kormoc: the list of areas that are getting worked on is on myth's site
[23:11:33] higen: how is it with MCE remote under linux? is it recommended? i guess my old remote will not work under linux.. its connected to the tv card
[23:12:15] kormoc: I use the mceusb2 remote and love it, but lirc/bttv/ivtv does support some tv card remotes
[23:12:47] higen: i will check out lirc before running to the store.. but if i need to buy a new one.. the mce are the easiest to get.. and they are rather cheap
[23:13:20] higen: well.. another question.. is there any other application that does the music video part better then myth? since i am not in the need of a tv thingy
[23:13:38] xris: higen: mythtv doesn't work well without tv
[23:14:10] kormoc: for my music videos, I just create a playlist of all the video files in my /mnt/multimedia/Multimedia/Music Videos/ and play them randomly via mplayer
[23:14:12] xris: for music + video, a squeezebox or something like that might be a better option
[23:14:34] higen: ok.. i will check out squeezebox
[23:15:32] higen: squeezebox is a pure musicplayer device.. and not something i install over my windows as fare as i can see
[23:15:48] Cyberai: ok, sorry I was awy so long
[23:16:52] Cyberai: can anyone shed anylight on why I keep getting a black screen and then mythtv freezes when I go to watch tv? Im on ubuntu dapper with myth 0.19, Hauppage 250 and nvidea 5200 video card
[23:17:17] kormoc: did you run with -v all and see if it gives any more helpful output, like I asked earlier?
[23:18:09] Cyberai: yes, that acutlaly was with the -v output
[23:18:21] Cyberai: I do have a log from last night with more data I can pastebin, hold on
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[23:19:57] xris: higen: yes, it's a device... there's something out there like it that does video and music, though.
[23:21:05] higen: okay.. i guess i will work it out with google..
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[23:22:41] xris: higen: thing is that most people who want a media center type system for running on a tv also want the tv-recording features
[23:23:15] riddlebox: hello, I have compiled mythtv-0.19 and mythplugins but when I look at mythweb, I am told mythweb=15 backend=26?
[23:23:22] higen: sure.. but i just want to move from what i am using to linux.. to get some extra server functionality from the linux system that windows does not have
[23:23:33] higen: which makes squeezbox not excatly a linux replacement
[23:23:43] kormoc: riddlebox, get a updated version of mythweb
[23:23:52] kormoc: sure it does
[23:23:56] kormoc: you install linux on your box
[23:23:57] riddlebox: kormoc, it is the newest version
[23:24:03] kormoc: and use squeezebox
[23:24:07] higen: if there is nothing that can compare to media portal on linux.. i have to work with windows
[23:24:10] kormoc: and thus you have linux and videos!
[23:24:15] kormoc: riddlebox, no it's not
[23:24:42] higen: so.. who is giving squeezeboxses away for free?
[23:24:46] riddlebox: kormoc, I know, so I downloaded it and installed it just now
[23:24:49] kormoc: heh, no one
[23:24:53] higen: anywhere i can leave my address?
[23:25:17] jajaja-: im using ubuntu 6.06 and have heard that i need to use sql4 and not sql5 during setup...how can i set it to only get 4
[23:25:18] higen: ohh.. well.. then.. (again).. that leaves squeezebox out
[23:25:30] Cyberai: ok, it's here – http://pastebin.com/726455
[23:25:55] xris: higen: I doubt anyone here really knows what media portal is/does/looks like
[23:25:56] kormoc: riddlebox, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/5834
[23:26:10] kormoc: riddlebox, the last time mythweb was proto version 15 was on 03/23/05 18:28:27 (1 year ago)
[23:26:28] kormoc: riddlebox, currently it's on dev proto version 30, stable 26
[23:26:29] Cyberai: kormac – does the last few lines of the log mean anything?
[23:26:49] higen: xris: dont think about that.. as long as mythtv can play music and video without working my way through bash scripts and commands it can do the job.. i just wanted to hear how people was satisfied with it
[23:27:03] Cyberai: kormoc, I don't really think it does
[23:27:06] kormoc: higen, you could just give it a shot
[23:27:31] Cyberai: higen, I had mine working for months and I loved it, as did my girfriend who is very anti-tech
[23:27:33] higen: it was my plan :).. but if the feedback would be like.. ahh.. no.. music playback is broken.. i would have reconsidred :P
[23:27:44] Cyberai: she loved the music box component
[23:27:45] higen: Cyberai: i am convinced :)
[23:27:47] xris: higen: but it does matter... if all you need is a music and/or video player, there are plenty of apps out there that will do that for you...
[23:27:56] higen: for linux?
[23:28:04] higen: for free?
[23:28:06] xris: higen: yes. xmms, xine, amarok, mplayer, vlc, etc, etc
[23:28:08] Cyberai: yes higen
[23:28:15] kormoc: Cyberai, can it record shows?
[23:28:37] xris: higen: but they're standalone applications.. eg. xmms is like winamp
[23:28:38] Cyberai: higen, all myth does it put it all together in one interface, with a very nice easy to use gui, like a TIVO
[23:28:46] higen: xris: xmms <-- not any cool fullscreen remotecontroll able widget screen... and the same goes for the rest... and there is no cool player in the /etc folder btw
[23:28:46] Cyberai: kormoc, I don't know
[23:28:58] Cyberai: I told it to record one, let me see if it's there
[23:29:06] kormoc: higen, xmms/xine/mplayer all have lirc support
[23:29:14] sloncho: hi. I'm sure there was a setup menu to configure how big the buffer for livetv should be (GB on disk), etc., and now I can not find it. any help. I tried both in general settings, and with mythtv-setup. I'm overlooking for sure, so please ...
[23:29:15] kormoc: higen, and if not, lirc can emulate a keyboard
[23:29:28] higen: gash.. does people only read half of the sentences here? :P
[23:29:32] kormoc: sloncho, live-tv buffer is gone, it's always recorded
[23:29:40] kormoc: higen, no, I only answer the part that i can answer :P
[23:29:42] xris: higen: which is why I'm trying to get you to say what you intend to do with this.... like if you're plugged into a tv or if it's just a workstation or what...
[23:29:45] higen: lol
[23:30:04] xris: higen: also, wtf does /etc have to do with anything?
[23:30:08] higen: well.. its a 50" plasma.. with vga input.. i am tempted to say its a monitor
[23:30:14] kormoc: sloncho, live tv is always recorded and put into the recorded tv page, and just gets auto-expired first
[23:30:15] sloncho: kormoc: so, I remember from a previous version? too bad, spend 1/2 hour to lok for it :)
[23:30:28] xris: higen: ok, so you're plugged into a tv.. but don't have an actual tv signal...
[23:30:29] riddlebox: kormoc, when I do ./configure in mythplugins, I do not see mythweb listed at all?
[23:30:32] higen: xris: "higen: yes. xmms, xine, amarok, mplayer, vlc, etc, etc" you mentioned etc twice in your sentence :P
[23:30:34] kormoc: sloncho, aye, 0.18 had the buffer, this one did not
[23:30:45] kormoc: riddlebox, that's cause it's not a c program, download it directly from svn.
[23:30:59] sloncho: kormok: how can I contyrol the autoexpire for livetv. i.e. I want to save disk space
[23:31:05] sloncho: kormoc: how can I contyrol the autoexpire for livetv. i.e. I want to save disk space
[23:31:08] xris: higen: yes, I said etcetera, but I said nothing about binaries in /etc
[23:31:17] higen: xris: it was a joke.. nothing else :)
[23:31:22] kormoc: sloncho, there's auto-expure settings in mythtv-setup I believe, set them there and it should work fine
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[23:32:01] higen: xris: the tv signal comes from a decoder, which is fare more userfriendly at the moment.. pluss i dont need any form of recording system atm. so the tv signal comes to another source on monitor.. the pc with winxp is today connected to its own source by vga
[23:32:09] xris: higen: decoder?
[23:32:17] Cyberai: kormoc, no, I had several recordings, none would play and one wasn't even able to be found. the console streamed "unable to find file" unending until I deleted it with the "manage recordings" tool
[23:32:31] xris: what type of tv signal?
[23:32:38] kormoc: Cyberai, I don't think your tuner card is setup right. it seems to be giving out no data
[23:32:43] higen: xris: its delivered from the cablenetwork. needed for decoding signal.. (analouge)
[23:32:56] sloncho: kormoc: thanks. one more q. I followed the instructions to get channel icons. all is good, the icon xml file looks OK links in there are ok, but after mythfilldatabase --import-icon-map iconmap.xml --update-icon-map there are no icons in the program guide. And my channels are still named channel 1, channel 2, etc.
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[23:33:22] Cyberai: kormoc, I am thinking the same thing, at one point last night, it was playing live tv, but trying to change channels caused it to freeze, and I haven't gotten any tv since.
[23:33:24] xris: higen: ok.. just an fyi that if you're in the US and getting HD cable, your box should have a firewire port on it that you can plug into mythtv....
[23:33:31] kormoc: sloncho, you might need to restart the backend for that to take affect?
[23:33:41] xris: anyway, you're probably SOL when it comes to finding a media center app that doesn't include or rely on tv as its core.
[23:33:47] kormoc: Cyberai, you might need to reboot to reset the card itself
[23:34:10] higen: xris: ahh.. no.. i am in norway.. and there is no HD channels here.. and it will probably not be the following centuries :P
[23:34:25] Cyberai: ok, let me try that, brb
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[23:34:31] sloncho: kormoc: i did. in fact I used mythfilldatabase command both with backend running and not running. then restarted the backend as well. still no pictures
[23:34:57] xris: higen: ahh. then yeah, you'd need a dvb-c card
[23:35:05] kormoc: sloncho, hrm. Does it act like it downloads the files? are you doing this as the user mythfrontend runs as?
[23:35:27] higen: well.. i have a tunercard.. but its not in use.. its fare more userfriendly with that dedicated decoderbox at the moment :)
[23:36:24] kormoc: higen, just a note. myth supports remote and multiple backends
[23:36:29] sloncho: kormoc: what is the right way to run the filldb script – with or without backend running? I'll try one more time and will post the output
[23:36:34] xris: higen: my best recommendation is going to be that if you have the time to put into it, install mythtv and see what you think... otherwise, you should probably just stick with the already-working solution.
[23:36:38] sloncho: kormoc: and yes – the user is the same
[23:36:43] kormoc: sloncho, I would go without it running
[23:37:18] higen: xris: as long as i get it to work.. i will go with mythTv.. because i realy want to have the pc to do some Server activity
[23:38:12] higen: i have been working with linux since kernel 2.2 (96/97) or so..so. i will probably get it to work.. as long as it has the functionality i need :)
[23:38:51] xris: higen: mythvideo works great. mythmusic has some speed-of-navigation issues... but it's under a rewrite for summer of code, so it should get better
[23:39:11] higen: is it written in c/c++ or python/pearl ?
[23:39:17] higen: btw.. how is myth on ubuntu dist?
[23:39:17] xris: c++
[23:39:26] xris: most of the devs run ubuntu
[23:39:32] higen: goody :)
[23:39:34] kormoc: not too good if you run stright out of the box
[23:39:49] higen: well.. whats slowing it down?
[23:39:51] xris: but yeah, you need to install a lot of non-official stuff
[23:39:56] higen: sure :)
[23:39:59] xris: higen: gpl is slowing things down
[23:40:03] kormoc: higen, the main issue is, mysql 5 is marked stable on ubuntu
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[23:40:15] kormoc: but mythtv 0.18 is the last stable package they have
[23:40:22] kormoc: myth 0.18 doesn't support mysql 5
[23:40:37] kormoc: so you need to update to myth 0.19+ or downgrade to mysql 4.x
[23:40:42] higen: ahh.. hehehe.. well i can get mysql5 and do a compile of myth 0.19
[23:40:56] kormoc: get the 0.19-fixes branch if you compile by hand
[23:41:07] higen: i will
[23:41:15] higen: hm.. qt based?
[23:41:18] kormoc: aye
[23:41:43] higen: kubuntu then maybe
[23:41:57] higen: or xbuntu is better
[23:41:59] sloncho: kormoc: i ran filldb script with the user which runs the frontend, and with backend stopped. here is the output: http://pastebin.ca/69469
[23:42:11] scales: ok kormoc. i have an 80 gig external drive and i am ready to try that backup thing
[23:42:54] kormoc: sloncho, that looks like it didn't even try to do the import. Are you sure the commands are correct?
[23:43:12] kormoc: scales, keep in mind, a exact backup of your dive takes up as large as the drive is
[23:43:25] kormoc: scales, so a 100 gb drive takes up 100 gb, no matter how much is actually used
[23:43:30] sloncho: kormoc: u see the command, its in pastebin. i will post the iconxml as well.
[23:43:45] kormoc: sloncho, yeah, but I can't really check myself to make sure it's right
[23:44:13] kormoc: scales, Well, given you're gonna nuke your windows partition, backing up just the linux one should be fine, can that fit?
[23:44:39] kormoc: sloncho, ooh wait, it did do it, line 15
[23:44:40] sloncho: kormoc: this is copy paste from here: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-9.html#ss9.1. The command at the bottom. I did not type it by hand
[23:44:48] higen: sloncho: whats the problem?
[23:45:06] sloncho: higen, I can not import the channel icons and names
[23:45:29] sloncho: higen, i generated the iconmap.xml file OK, but then the import ... does not happen
[23:46:07] sloncho: higen: btw, this is xubuntu here, with 0.19+ compiled
[23:46:08] scales: kormoc: my linux/windows machine is 80 gigs, and i have an 80 gig external drive
[23:46:12] scales: :)
[23:46:27] scales: i think the linux partition is like 60ish gigs
[23:46:29] kormoc: scales, heh, that works then
[23:46:32] xris: higen: ubuntu flavor won't really matter.. it's easy enough to just add the other repositories.
[23:47:00] kormoc: scales, when you get it plugged into the box, you get a device like /dev/sda that is the external drive, right?
[23:47:23] higen: sloncho: could it be problem with the formate of the iconmap.xml ?
[23:47:29] scales: yeah
[23:47:33] scales: let me make sure
[23:47:52] scales: yep i am good
[23:47:53] kormoc: scales, well, your command will be something like this then
[23:48:21] higen: sloncho: are you using the perl script for generating of the file?
[23:48:29] sloncho: higen: i do not know. i do not see any error output from filldb script, so should be ok. here's the output: http://pastebin.ca/69469
[23:48:44] kormoc: scales, dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/sda conv=notrunk
[23:48:45] sloncho: yes. it was broken, because zap2it have changed something
[23:49:06] kormoc: scales, but keep in mind, that requires the drives to be exactly the same size, which hopefully they are.
[23:49:18] kormoc: scales, and it will take a long time, so be patient :)
[23:49:18] sloncho: higen: and there was a patch at xmltv site for that. i applied it, and it generated the file
[23:49:56] higen: hmm.. i just see that on line 6 its saying importing icon mapping from iconmap.xml...
[23:50:01] scales: yes it seems to be doing something :)
[23:50:04] higen: then it makes up 5 more connections to the db
[23:50:25] higen: hmm.. could you send over the .xml file btw?
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[23:51:35] higen: there is a generic contrib/master_iconmap.xml hve you tried it.. just to check?
[23:51:51] higen: just to be sure its nothing wrong with the generation of the xml file
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[23:52:34] sloncho: higen: here: http://pastebin.ca/69476
[23:52:54] sloncho: higen: i will try the generic
[23:53:05] Cyberai: kormoc, now my mythfrontend wont even start
[23:53:14] Cyberai: let me pastebin the error
[23:53:23] Hotwheelz: Hi who here is using tv_grab_au for channel data anyone?
[23:53:42] higen: sloncho: http://images.zap2it.com/station_logo <-- gives not found which is on one of the last lines in your past
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[23:54:13] jk1joel: so in an informal poll of the awake #mythtv-users, what distro would you recommend for a long-time Linux user for a new MythTV setup?
[23:54:27] kormoc: jk1joel, the one you know the best and like the most
[23:54:28] higen: sloncho: naa.. it seems okay actually.. i just forgot to add a picture name :)
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[23:54:40] scales_: so kormoc i ended it just in time, lost network connection
[23:54:41] D-side: jk1joel: you don't want my answer to that.
[23:54:42] sloncho: higen: yeah, with picture it works
[23:54:47] scales_: stupid storm
[23:54:55] kormoc: scales, ended it?
[23:54:58] jk1joel: kormoc: I don't much care... I've been forced to use them all enough that they're all pretty good in my book
[23:55:01] jk1joel: D-side: why not?
[23:55:11] D-side: jk1joel: its fairly ridiculous
[23:55:16] kormoc: jk1joel, fair nuff. I use gentoo and love it myself
[23:55:19] Cyberai: wait it was just me- typo
[23:55:27] jk1joel: D-side: like linux from scratch?
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[23:55:39] D-side: jk1joel: very close.
[23:55:43] jk1joel: nice
[23:55:44] D-side: my backend runs gentoo.
[23:55:54] jk1joel: so two votes for Gentoo
[23:55:57] D-side: eh.
[23:55:59] D-side: let me explain why first.
[23:56:08] D-side: considering the lead time to a working box is pretty long.
[23:56:14] jk1joel: true
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[23:56:32] D-side: nothing beats portage for something so A/V centric like mythtv, in my opinion.
[23:56:37] D-side: kormoc: probably agrees.
[23:56:52] jk1joel: why is that?
[23:57:06] D-side: you want a new version (via some form of package management")? easily done. easiest way i can think of.
[23:57:07] kayelem: Another gentoo vote from the damp wasteland of the north of England...
[23:57:12] GiantPickle: kormoc: I don't know if it fixed it yet... I left my box at home right after I sent you that message. I was getting those errors intermittently as well... so I think this may be part of the problem.
[23:57:14] sloncho: higen: the master file does not work as well
[23:57:24] sloncho: higen: same output, no pictures
[23:57:33] D-side: you can go as bleeding edge as you want for des like libs or things like ffmpeg and such.
[23:57:39] D-side: s/des/deps/
[23:57:52] ** kayelem nods at D-side **
[23:57:54] sloncho: higen: but I have start wondering ... is the mapping done between the short station names and the pictures
[23:57:57] higen: sloncho: the XML are without error anyway...
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[23:58:04] jk1joel: that makes sense. so as long as stuff is changing fast, gentoo is nice
[23:58:11] D-side: jk1joel: thats exactly it
[23:58:25] sloncho: higen: i do not have the station names in my programming guide – it shows channel 2, channel ...
[23:58:30] D-side: its the fastest way to get new crap, in my experience.
[23:58:35] higen: hehe
[23:58:39] higen: that explains is probably
[23:58:49] higen: callsigntonetwork == channel name in userinterface i guess
[23:58:52] jk1joel: ok. thanks for the input. so far, it's 3 for gentoo without any votes for anything else.
[23:58:56] kormoc: my other thing is, things tend to break less, or when they break, it's easier to fix then when I messed with other distros.
[23:58:57] jk1joel: anyone using Ubuntu?
[23:59:03] D-side: jk1joel: as a frontend.
[23:59:04] Anduin: sloncho: Yes, the callsign is used for the mapping.
[23:59:06] kormoc: ubuntu has some issues right now
[23:59:18] kayelem: once you've got through the lengthy initial install, gentoo is great – and if you don't totally hose your system you never have to do that again.
[23:59:23] coopster: jk1joel: I was a big gentoo fan, I just started getting into ubuntu now. Big fan, but I havent tried to set up myth on it
[23:59:25] D-side: i'm using an unofficial repo for mythtv stuff in ubuntu.
[23:59:26] sloncho: kormoc: i have none, if u compile from source :)
[23:59:30] D-side: i'm not sure i'd want to trust my backend on it
[23:59:32] jk1joel: kormoc: Ubuntu itself? or the mythpackages on Ubuntu?
[23:59:39] D-side: coopster: same here.
[23:59:42] kayelem: ...but if you're an experienced Linux user you'll either never hose your system or be able to unhose it anyway.
[23:59:44] kormoc: jk1joel, one is, they marked mysql 5 as stable, but still only give out myth 0.18, which is old and not mysql 5 safe, so you need to work around that
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[23:59:52] higen: sloncho: networktourl are probably the the link between the callsigntonetwork internaly used by the backend or something..
[23:59:54] D-side: coopster: as a frontend i'd say ubuntu w/ the unoff. repos. backend? not so much.

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