Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, June 21st, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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riddlebox:

jajaja-, if it doesnt work, then try "sudo apt-get build-dep mythtv"

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jajaja-:

that works riddlebox...its downloading now

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riddlebox:

jajaja-, you will have to get the source and compile it

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jajaja-:

im not sure what you mean

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riddlebox:

jajaja-, it is downloading all dependencies and installing them so you can install mythtv by source, that is the only way you can get the newest version

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jajaja-:

okay..im sorry i am not familair with this that much

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pyrotech:

hi

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jajaja-:

im not sure of the commands to install myth by source

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pyrotech:

does anyone know how to get mythbackend to listen only on localhost, not *

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riddlebox:

jajaja-, do you know how to untar stuff?

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riddlebox:

jajaja-, http://hyams.webhop.net/mythtv/myth_ubuntu.html

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LaptopZZ:

anyone use myth with utf?

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pyrotech:

is that like wtf?

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LaptopZZ:

no..

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LaptopZZ:

utf-8

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kormoc:

no, it's a alternative char set

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kormoc:

LaptopZZ, database wise or what?

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LaptopZZ:

kormoc: interface/mp3s

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kormoc:

ahh, alas, I do not, sorry

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LaptopZZ:

to make sure qt knows about my fonts, I tried konqueror

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LaptopZZ:

and tat all works fine

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LaptopZZ:

in mythtv all I get are boxes

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kleptophobiac2:

wooo

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kleptophobiac2:

1080i mode works! sortof at least

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kleptophobiac2:

argh

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kleptophobiac2:

sortof is a big sortof

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kleptophobiac2:

i can't play back video

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kleptophobiac2:

it crashes

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kleptophobiac2:

with NVP: Timed out waiting for free video buffers.

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kleptophobiac2:

anybody know why being in 1920x1080 would cause that?

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kleptophobiac2:

it didn't do it in 1280x720

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kormoc:

what's your videocard?

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kleptophobiac2:

onboard nvidia 6150

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kormoc:

nvidia driver?

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kleptophobiac2:

8762

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kormoc:

using xvmc?

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kleptophobiac2:

no xvmc

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kormoc:

might want to turn that on and see how it fairs

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kleptophobiac2:

well

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kleptophobiac2:

xine doesn't work either

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kleptophobiac2:

playing back AVI's

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kleptophobiac2:

which is crucial

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kleptophobiac2:

mythmusic visualization works though

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kleptophobiac2:

so i know it can handle an opengl frame that big

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kormoc:

sure, but opengl is hardly video

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kleptophobiac2:

i thought the visualizations were rather taxing

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kormoc:

depends, usually not too bad

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kleptophobiac2:

hmm

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kormoc:

and the videocard handles them differently at times

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kleptophobiac2:

but why would it work at 1280x720 within a 1920x1080i frame but not at full screen?

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kleptophobiac2:

there should be plenty of CPU power

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kleptophobiac2:

Athlon 64 3500+

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kormoc:

cause for some reason the video card's buffers were full

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kormoc:

hence the error about running out

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kleptophobiac2:

hmm

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kormoc:

and hence my sudgestion to try xvmc which might help out...

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kleptophobiac2:

yeah, i'll go recompile myth now

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kormoc:

you shouldn't need to

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kormoc:

it's an option in the frontend if it was compile with support

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kleptophobiac2:

no?

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kleptophobiac2:

yeah, i don't think it was

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kleptophobiac2:

:p

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kormoc:

ick, well, enjoy :P

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kleptophobiac2:

haha

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kleptophobiac2:

alright

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kleptophobiac2:

i've got it all set up with build scripts and automatic packaging

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kleptophobiac2:

it's not hard

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kleptophobiac2:

basically edit the configure and rebuild. it'll make a nice new package for me

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kleptophobiac2:

yay, downloading SVN

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Juski:

ooo looky here.. something to help decode HDTV... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/5099584.stm

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kleptophobiac2:

yay, it's probably a one transistor oscillator

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Juski:

wonder what AMD & Intel have in their labs timetabled for shipping in 2010 or so... we'll need it to decode h.264 1080i no doubt

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kleptophobiac2:

i'd rather it be ATI and NVIDIA that have onboard decoding

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kleptophobiac2:

that work

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kleptophobiac2:

preferably with good linux driver support

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Juski:

not holding my breath for that one

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matthew_w:

Hey guys, still having trouble with getting the remote to work, even after the wiki

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matthew_w:

The wikipage is WAY over anyone's head... well, mine and my friend's at least

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kleptophobiac2:

haha

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kleptophobiac2:

I wasn't here when yuo first had the problem

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kleptophobiac2:

could you recap?

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kleptophobiac2:

also, kormoc, i can't seem to compile with XvMC because it can't find XvMClib.h

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matthew_w:

Sorry, I just can't get a remote to work

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kleptophobiac2:

well....

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kleptophobiac2:

what are you doing?

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matthew_w:

It's asking me for com ports and whatnot and i'm flabbergasted

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kleptophobiac2:

what remote do you have?

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matthew_w:

Well, I'm compiling the licd stuff...

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matthew_w:

lircd

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Juski:

oh well. time for bed for me

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matthew_w:

it's the one that comes with the hauppauge pvr 150

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kleptophobiac2:

ok

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matthew_w:

I desperately need a step-by-step here lol

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kleptophobiac2:

what distro?

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matthew_w:

ubuntu dapper

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kleptophobiac2:

ok

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kleptophobiac2:

i have no idea how ubuntu has lirc packaged

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kleptophobiac2:

are you compiling lirc or using a package?

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matthew_w:

Do it from source, then

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kleptophobiac2:

k

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kleptophobiac2:

when you configure lirc

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matthew_w:

I think I'm compiling

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matthew_w:

I'll remove it from the packages, then, ,one sec.

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kleptophobiac2:

you're doing the ./configure make make install routine?

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kleptophobiac2:

and damn, this 2.2GHz a64 is loads faster than my 2.8GHz P4

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matthew_w:

Not quite, I'm doing the download, tar, ,./setup.sh kinda thing

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matthew_w:

then make make install

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kleptophobiac2:

yeah yeah

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matthew_w:

I have a 2.8 P4 64 bit

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kleptophobiac2:

same thing

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matthew_w:

I like it :D

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kleptophobiac2:

ok

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kleptophobiac2:

so when you run setup

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kleptophobiac2:

you can pick which driver type

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matthew_w:

Yea

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kleptophobiac2:

you *don't* want serial

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kleptophobiac2:

there should be a hauppauge or PVR or H! gray remote setting

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kleptophobiac2:

it's been a while since I used that setup

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matthew_w:

So... hit driver setting

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kleptophobiac2:

yeah

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matthew_w:

Home brew, ,Tv Card, PDA, Bluetooth, IRDA, USB, Network, Other

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kleptophobiac2:

hmm

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kleptophobiac2:

hold on

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matthew_w:

This plugs into USB, but it's an IR blaster

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kleptophobiac2:

wait

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kleptophobiac2:

i thought the hauppage setup plugged into a port on the back of the PVR card?

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matthew_w:

Nah, it's a big ol' usb

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kleptophobiac2:

did you buy that seperately?

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matthew_w:

Nope

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matthew_w:

packed in w/ pvr 150

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kleptophobiac2:

it came with the PVR 150?

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kleptophobiac2:

because i just bought a PVR 150

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kleptophobiac2:

and the IR blaster / detector

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matthew_w:

I assure you it's a usb port, as I have it crammed in the usb port as we speak

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kleptophobiac2:

came with a little RCA connector

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matthew_w:

Mine came with a little usb connector, and the usb unit had a tiny stereo 2mm connector for the actual device that comes from the usb

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matthew_w:

Meh, either way, still shouldn't be too difficult

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kleptophobiac2:

stereo connector

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kleptophobiac2:

that should plug into the PVR card

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matthew_w:

ie: headphone jack

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kleptophobiac2:

yeah

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matthew_w:

But there's 2 pieces here

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kleptophobiac2:

where'd you get this card? link?

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matthew_w:

There's one piece, it's a big honkin' square thing

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matthew_w:

It's a huge infrared reciever that plugs into usb

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matthew_w:

Then there's little ports for 1 and 2, ,for the little tiny IR blaster that plugs into it

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kleptophobiac2:

yeah, that's not what i've ever seen packaged with a hauppauge card

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matthew_w:

Where did you buuy it

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kleptophobiac2:

i got mine at newegg.com

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matthew_w:

I got mine at staples

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matthew_w:

Canad

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matthew_w:

a

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kleptophobiac2:

weirdness

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matthew_w:

either way

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matthew_w:

whadooIdo

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matthew_w:

lol

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kleptophobiac2:

what's the exact model number of the card, as written on the box?

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matthew_w:

Hauppauge! Win-TV PVR-150

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kleptophobiac2:

that's it?

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kleptophobiac2:

hmm

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kleptophobiac2:

http://www.pcalchemy.com/product_info.php/pNa . . . d760039a0513

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kleptophobiac2:

looks like that?

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matthew_w:

Nope

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bluef0x:

i just bought a geforce to replace my ATI

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kleptophobiac2:

http://hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_pvr150.html

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bluef0x:

how am i supposed to get svideo to work? it works for the bios, install, all the way up until linux boots up

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kleptophobiac2:

that's what a PVR 150 is supposed to look like

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matthew_w:

... like this

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kleptophobiac2:

bluef0x – pastebin your xorg.conf

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matthew_w:

http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http:// . . . ges%3Fq%3Dha

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matthew_w:

uppauge%2Bpvr-150%2Bremote%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN

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kormoc:

bluef0x, you need to configure xorg.conf, it's all in the nvidia readme

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matthew_w:

Sorry, like this

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matthew_w:

http://www.press-images.co.uk/Hauppauge%20Dig . . . d+remote.jpg

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bluef0x:

hmm

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kleptophobiac2:

ok, it's the MCE edition

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matthew_w:

Yea, sorry

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kleptophobiac2:

that makes a *big* difference

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bluef0x:

its from nvidias site?

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kormoc:

bluef0x, aye

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matthew_w:

Alright, what now :(

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bluef0x:

ok ill check it out

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bluef0x:

i used knoppmyth to install

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kleptophobiac2:

matthew_w – you've got a USB MCE receiver

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bluef0x:

i figured it wo uld have done everything

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kleptophobiac2:

so under the setup page

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kleptophobiac2:

go to USB devices

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matthew_w:

Ok, ... MCE isn't here, what should I find?

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kleptophobiac2:

and go to windows media center remotes (new version)

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kleptophobiac2:

all the way at the bottom of the list

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kleptophobiac2:

i'm doing this

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kleptophobiac2:

on 0.8.1pre1 btw

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matthew_w:

Windows Media remotes

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kleptophobiac2:

there should be two line items there

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matthew_w:

Yep

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matthew_w:

I grabbed Windows Media Remotes New (phillips et. al.)

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kleptophobiac2:

yeah

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kleptophobiac2:

do that

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matthew_w:

and now my driver says MCEusb2

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matthew_w:

which is right

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kleptophobiac2:

that's good

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matthew_w:

So now? Save configuration and exit?

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kleptophobiac2:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remote

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kleptophobiac2:

that's the guide you need, btw

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bluef0x:

is that the remote

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bluef0x:

that comes with pvr-500s?

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kleptophobiac2:

bluef0x – no, he got a strange package deal from staples

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bluef0x:

i got some sort of remote with my pvr500 that wont run either, but i havent tried this post i found

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bluef0x:

it has a windows MCE button on it

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kleptophobiac2:

oh

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kleptophobiac2:

then you've probably got the same deal as matthew_w

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bluef0x:

is it silver and black?

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bluef0x:

top half silver, bottom black?

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kleptophobiac2:

i think he went poof while it's compiling

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matthew_w:

Ok, wait now

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matthew_w:

What do I do

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kleptophobiac2:

what have you done?

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matthew_w:

save configuration and exit I hit

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matthew_w:

sorry and run configure

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kleptophobiac2:

make

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kleptophobiac2:

make install

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matthew_w:

then make

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kleptophobiac2:

and it compiled successfully?

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matthew_w:

then sudo make install

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matthew_w:

then sudo make clean

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matthew_w:

all no errors

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kleptophobiac2:

no reason to make clean

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kleptophobiac2:

but it doesn't hurt anything either

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kleptophobiac2:

alright

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kleptophobiac2:

"depmod -ae"

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bluef0x:

hey whats your remote look like?

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matthew_w:

done

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matthew_w:

Like this

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matthew_w:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remote

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matthew_w:

oops

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matthew_w:

Ah, link is above

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kleptophobiac2:

"modprobe lirc_mceusb2"

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bluef0x:

:( nm

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bluef0x:

mine is different

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kleptophobiac2:

the MCE remotes all behave the same regardless of how they look

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matthew_w:

Done

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kleptophobiac2:

the windows button is a good giveaway

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kleptophobiac2:

and the module loaded without error?

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matthew_w:

Yea

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kleptophobiac2:

excellent

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kleptophobiac2:

in the lirc source tree

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matthew_w:

Well, when I used sudo

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kleptophobiac2:

you're still there, right?

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bluef0x:

do they all come with a USB receiver?

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kleptophobiac2:

yes

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kleptophobiac2:

all MCE remotes are USB

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matthew_w:

errr... if by that you mean home/desktop/lirc.0.8.0

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kleptophobiac2:

ok

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kleptophobiac2:

"cp remotes/mceusb/lircd.conf.mceusb /etc/lircd.conf"

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kleptophobiac2:

that's the button configuration file for the MCE remote

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kleptophobiac2:

it tells lircd what to look for in the IR stream

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kleptophobiac2:

poke! still there?

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matthew_w:

one sec...

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kleptophobiac2:

k

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bluef0x:

does anyone know how to get geforce tv-out to work in knoppmyth? im on my windows laptop right now

[01:14:02]

matthew_w:

Done

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kleptophobiac2:

alright

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matthew_w:

that file didn't exist, btw

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kleptophobiac2:

did you find what you needed?

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matthew_w:

it created it when I used cp, tho

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kleptophobiac2:

nono, you need *that* file

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matthew_w:

no no I mean /etc/lircd.conf

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kleptophobiac2:

oh

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kleptophobiac2:

yeah

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kleptophobiac2:

i know

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matthew_w:

ok

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kleptophobiac2:

that's fine

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kleptophobiac2:

now you need to start lircd and test it

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kleptophobiac2:

"lircd -d /dev/lirc0 /etc/lircd.conf"

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matthew_w:

Ok, how

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bluef0x:

http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/directron_1900_1110808 so that remote follows the same as his?

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kleptophobiac2:

yes

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kleptophobiac2:

though it might be the old MCE remote

[01:15:27]

kleptophobiac2:

in which case you select the old MCE remote from the lirc driver setup

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kleptophobiac2:

and you modprobe mceusb rather than mceusb2

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matthew_w:

Done

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kleptophobiac2:

matthew_w – it started without error?

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matthew_w:

ye

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kleptophobiac2:

"ps aux | grep lircd"

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kleptophobiac2:

to verify that it's running

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kleptophobiac2:

and not load and crash

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matthew_w:

Yep

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kleptophobiac2:

lircd is known for that

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kleptophobiac2:

:p

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kleptophobiac2:

alright

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matthew_w:

It's running

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kleptophobiac2:

you *should* be in business

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kleptophobiac2:

"irw -d /dev/lirc0"

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kleptophobiac2:

err

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kleptophobiac2:

"irw"

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kleptophobiac2:

no device is necessary for that one

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matthew_w:

ok brb

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Beirdo:

my ISP blows dead bear

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Beirdo:

blocked port 6667

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kleptophobiac2:

then whenever you press a button on your remote, you should see a line item in the irw window

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kleptophobiac2:

Beirdo – uhh

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Beirdo:

makes testing my IRC bot a lot harder

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Beirdo:

uhh, what?

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kleptophobiac2:

that's lame

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Beirdo:

I'm connected through my irssi proxy right now (non-standard port, so it works)

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Beirdo:

yeah, totally lame

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Beirdo:

I'll get around it

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Beirdo:

heh

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kleptophobiac2:

of course

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kleptophobiac2:

but that's cheapass of them

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Beirdo:

keeps them from having botnets run from their network

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Beirdo:

can't totally blame them

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Beirdo:

they can still lick me though

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matthew_w:

ok back

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matthew_w:

now what with irw

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matthew_w:

it returned nothing, and there's no $>

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kleptophobiac2:

can't *totally* blame them... but it would be nice if there was a control panel method of checking which ports you're ok with closing

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matthew_w:

like a prog is running

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kleptophobiac2:

matthew_w – good. it is running

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kleptophobiac2:

point your remote

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matthew_w:

Cool!

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matthew_w:

It works

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kleptophobiac2:

press some buttons

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kleptophobiac2:

:p

[01:19:07]

kleptophobiac2:

good

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kleptophobiac2:

that wasn't too bad, huh?

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matthew_w:

ctrl C to exit btw

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matthew_w:

Also

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kleptophobiac2:

yeah

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matthew_w:

Now how do I make it work with myth/

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kleptophobiac2:

heh

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kleptophobiac2:

that's the tricky bit, isn't it

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kleptophobiac2:

first

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matthew_w:

Also, will that load on boot?

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kleptophobiac2:

you'll want to make lircd load on boot

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kleptophobiac2:

which it won't right now

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matthew_w:

hehe ok

[01:20:06]

matthew_w:

Put it in /etc/modules?

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kleptophobiac2:

and I don't know ubuntu, so I can't help you with it's rc system

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Beirdo:

hmm, wonder how hard it would be to route all port 6667 through a VPN to my linode and from there to the world

[01:20:24]

matthew_w:

is it just loading a module?

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kleptophobiac2:

i don't know how ubuntu handles that either

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Beirdo:

hehe

[01:20:45]

kleptophobiac2:

but suffice it to say

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kleptophobiac2:

you need to 1) load the module on boot

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kleptophobiac2:

2) load lircd on boot

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matthew_w:

ok, to do that I just put it in /etc/modules

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kleptophobiac2:

3) go find or write yourself a lircrc to put in ~/.mythtv/

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matthew_w:

what is the module called?

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kleptophobiac2:

uhm

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kleptophobiac2:

scroll up

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matthew_w:

lirc_mceusb2

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matthew_w:

?

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kleptophobiac2:

right after the modprobe command

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kleptophobiac2:

yeah

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kleptophobiac2:

and after doing those three things

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matthew_w:

Ok step one is done

[01:22:02]

kleptophobiac2:

mythtv should play nice with lirc

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matthew_w:

Step 2

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matthew_w:

what do you mean by load lircd on boot?

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kleptophobiac2:

you need lircd to be running in the background all the time

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matthew_w:

ok

[01:22:30]

matthew_w:

What is the command, again?

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kleptophobiac2:

and having it start up when the computer boots

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kleptophobiac2:

is handy

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Dagmar:

Hey, can the mysql.txt file tolerate whitespace? Like, will things go terribly wrong if the line says "DBHostName= localhost"?

[01:22:52]

kleptophobiac2:

"lircd -d /dev/lirc0 /etc/lircd.conf"

[01:23:06]

kleptophobiac2:

"lircd -d /dev/lirc0 -n /etc/lircd.conf"

[01:23:09]

kleptophobiac2:

when you start it at boot though

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kleptophobiac2:

so it doesn't hang your console

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kleptophobiac2:

the -n daemonizes it

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matthew_w:

ok

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matthew_w:

Let me figure out how to run at boot and I'll get back to you in one sec

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kleptophobiac2:

you've probably got an rc.local file somewhere

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kleptophobiac2:

as inelegant as that is

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kleptophobiac2:

it will work

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matthew_w:

rc.local!

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matthew_w:

I see that

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matthew_w:

/etc/rc.local

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kleptophobiac2:

in most distros

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matthew_w:

the people in #ubuntu are slightly more vague with their answers, perhaps that makes them cool.

[01:26:18]

kleptophobiac2:

that script is run at boot time

[01:26:26]

kleptophobiac2:

well

[01:26:34]

kleptophobiac2:

the #ubuntu people probably know more about ubuntu than I do

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kleptophobiac2:

considering I've never run it, seen it, or touched it

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matthew_w:

lol

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matthew_w:

Just think Debian

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kleptophobiac2:

i'm actually an Arch Linux person

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kleptophobiac2:

:p

[01:27:15]

matthew_w:

Only if you go in #debian and mention ubuntu, they k-line you, because they're also tres cool

[01:28:52]

Beirdo:

Hmm

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Beirdo:

wonder if freenode has any non-standard IRC ports in use...

[01:29:28]

kleptophobiac2:

k-line?

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kleptophobiac2:

i don't catch the reference

[01:29:38]

Beirdo:

no, stupid ISP

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kleptophobiac2:

model trains?

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Beirdo:

they filter 6667

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Beirdo:

oh, never mind

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Beirdo:

I suck

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Beirdo:

heh

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kleptophobiac2:

:p

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kleptophobiac2:

sorry

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Beirdo:

mixing two conversations

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matthew_w:

kleptophobiac2, almost got it running @ boto

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matthew_w:

boot*

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kleptophobiac2:

k

[01:31:25]

matthew_w:

done

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kleptophobiac2:

good

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matthew_w:

Now what about the third part

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tewk:

does the channel have a paste bot?

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kleptophobiac2:

tewk www.pastebin.com

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kleptophobiac2:

matthew_w – you'll have to steal someone else's

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kleptophobiac2:

or write your own

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matthew_w:

kleptophobiac2, what do I have to put in /home/.mythtv?

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kleptophobiac2:

read up on the lircrc file

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matthew_w:

I don't even uunderstand what itis I'm stealing

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matthew_w:

lol

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matthew_w:

Does it matter whose or which I grab?

[01:32:50]

matthew_w:

Are they remote specific?

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kleptophobiac2:

they are specific to your app, your remote, and your tastes

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kleptophobiac2:

that means that only rarely will someone else's lircrc be satisfactory to you

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kleptophobiac2:

you're best off cooking up your own

[01:33:35]

kleptophobiac2:

it really isn't that hard

[01:33:38]

kleptophobiac2:

though

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kleptophobiac2:

i'll be frank and say that I need to do some testing

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matthew_w:

Got one

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kleptophobiac2:

and that i'm done holding hands for a while

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matthew_w:

lol

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matthew_w:

Thank you, you've been helpful

[01:34:05]

matthew_w:

very

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kleptophobiac2:

haha, no problem

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kleptophobiac2:

bbiab

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matthew_w:

I have one here for the MCE usb pvr 150

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matthew_w:

ok. see you

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kleptophobiac2:

odds are it'll be pretty good for you

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matthew_w:

One more quicjk question if you're here

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matthew_w:

In what format do I have to put this file in ~/.mythtv

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matthew_w:

like... .txt?

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matthew_w:

Or do I have to name it something specific?

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tewk:

I've got a kernel OOPs and ideas? http://pastebin.com/722409

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tewk:

s/and/. Any/

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matthew_w:

Well I put it in ~/.mythtv/.lircrc but it didn't do it.

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AngryElf:

i guess he'll just figure it out on his own then

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sloncho:

hi. is there a way to setup the frontend so it starts with the Utilities section, not the topmost one?

[02:57:31]

sloncho:

another question: in the past I have found on internet instructions how to update the channel names from the files received from zap2it. I can not longer find it again. any help hopw not to edit all the channel names manually?

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xris:

sloncho: mythweb? channel editor in mythtv-setup?

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Dagmar:

Bash script repair/optimize script http://blairhouse.homeip.net/repair_optimize.sh.txt

[03:21:29]

D-side:

i wonder what i can break.

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D-side:

i havent broken my box in a long time

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Dagmar:

I gotta work on writing *less* paranoid shell scripts

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sloncho:

xris: in the channel editor I have to edit channel names one by one. I'm looking for a more automated way to import the names

[03:31:13]

xris:

sloncho: mysql directly

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xris:

assuming you have a file somewhere that lists the zap2it info and the "correct" info that you need to change it to

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sloncho:

xris: still a lot of typing :) and I'm lazy

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xris:

sloncho: can't fix things unless you have a list of fixed channels

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destrekor:

'ello everyone

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destrekor:

okay if anyone is actually talking, i can't see any text coming in

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xris:

you've been here like 30 seconds...

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xris:

sometimes it's quiet

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destrekor:

i guess.... im just used to seeing a lot of talking when there is that many users in a channel

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xris:

I think 145 is pretty low for this channel

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destrekor:

probably considering myth has such a vast following

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bluef0x:

anyone know how to increase the quality?

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bluef0x:

i just got mythtv up and running

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destrekor:

anyway, i was hoping I might be able to get a lil help

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destrekor:

bluefox, where tuner card are you using?

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xris:

bluef0x: tuner card, tv source type, etc, etc?

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destrekor:

what tuner***

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bluef0x:

pvr-500, s-video, amd 1800+, 512ram, geforce 6500

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xris:

bluef0x: digital signal on the other end of the svideo?

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xris:

basically, your option is to turn up the recording quality

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bluef0x:

hmm whats that mean

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xris:

bluef0x: frontend -> tv settings -> recording profiles

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bluef0x:

i have analog cable

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bluef0x:

k let me check that out

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xris:

bluef0x: svideo to the tv? thought it was svideo to the pvr-500

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bluef0x:

no

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bluef0x:

cable to the pvr

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bluef0x:

s-video to the tv

[03:42:15]

xris:

bluef0x: anyway, that's basically still your only option...

[03:42:17]

xris:

or upgrade to digital

[03:43:17]

bluef0x:

what am i changing in the settings

[03:43:20]

bluef0x:

resolution?

[03:43:56]

xris:

and bitrate

[03:44:03]

bluef0x:

wut should i change res to

[03:44:04]

xris:

play with them, see what looks best

[03:44:06]

bluef0x:

its at 480x480 now

[03:44:24]

bluef0x:

do i just keep it even then? like 600x600

[03:44:27]

xris:

basically you need to balance drive space vs quality

[03:44:32]

xris:

720x480 is the max

[03:44:39]

xris:

ntsc only has 480 vertical lines of resolution.

[03:44:44]

bluef0x:

k

[03:44:54]

bluef0x:

bitrate can be anything?

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destrekor:

alright, well here's my issue... i got everything set up, and was going to start configuring the mythfrontend, but in the frontend (my pvr box is both back and frontend), when i go to watch tv, the screen goes blank and the system locks up

[03:45:06]

xris:

my digital cable comes in at 528x480 and 384x480... so your cable company's digital source won't be much better than that.

[03:45:28]

xris:

destrekor: more details (tuner, etc)

[03:46:06]

bluef0x:

when i first set up mythtv, thats what would happen dest

[03:46:19]

bluef0x:

i changed to a nvidia card and used knoppmyth and it works now

[03:46:49]

bluef0x:

is mpeg-2 the best choice for type?

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xris:

bluef0x: that's all you get with your tuner

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destrekor:

well its a pvr-150, p4 2.8ghz, 512mb ddr, geforce 6600 for output

[03:48:42]

destrekor:

i can run "cat /dev/video0 > /tmp/test.mpg" and play back that video in mplayer perfectly fine

[03:49:04]

bluef0x:

hmm i changed the settings and dont really notice a difference.. do i need to reboot myth?

[03:49:05]

destrekor:

i have a topic about it at mythtvtalk.com

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bluef0x:

nevermind my advice then... i couldnt run the test.mpg on my old setup :P

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destrekor:

bluefox, what kind of quality issues are you having? is it fuzzy like analog cable, or are there horizontal lines, color is messed up.. etc etc

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bluef0x:

its not a problem

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destrekor:

you never really described what kind of quality issues you were having

[03:50:39]

bluef0x:

just less quality than normal

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xris:

destrekor: distro/mythtv version?

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bluef0x:

like if i had the cable running to my tv it'd be a little more clear

[03:50:59]

bluef0x:

and crisp

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xris:

bluef0x: "less" meaning that you take an analog signal, digitize it, and then convert it back to analog...

[03:51:05]

bluef0x:

its not a BIG difference, but i notice it

[03:51:32]

xris:

all of that static in the analog signal is a big problem for the encoder.. creates artifacts.

[03:51:43]

bluef0x:

so this is the best it'll do?

[03:51:45]

xris:

if you don't care about drive space, just turn your bitrate up to like 6000

[03:52:03]

destrekor:

xris, are you talking to me personally or something because it shows up red for you when speaking directly to me

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bluef0x:

how much space will that take? 2.5 gigs an hour?

[03:52:15]

destrekor:

im new to XChat, used to use mIRC in windows

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xris:

destrekor: usually when someone says your name, it highlights

[03:52:56]

destrekor:

xris: ah... so thats what it is

[03:53:24]

destrekor:

xris: either way, im running FC5, myth 0.19

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bluef0x:

so digital cable is more crisp even in myth?

[03:53:39]

xris:

destrekor: from atrpms?

[03:54:12]

destrekor:

xris: i have both atrpms and freshrpms as repos

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xris:

bluef0x: generally speaking, yes... it's very nice if you use firewire and thus the signal is never converted back to analog before it goes to the tv

[03:54:30]

xris:

destrekor: as opposed to compiling myth by hand... up to date kernel/ivtv/etc

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xris:

so you get a complete hard-lock on the system, can't switch programs/etc?

[03:55:12]

bluef0x:

how much space is used up by live tv?

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destrekor:

recently updated, so its the latest ivtv, latest RH kernel (2.6.16)

[03:55:53]

sloncho:

ok, looks like i found the info I needed. but ... have a problem. Ubuntu 6.06 here. XMLTV installed (all packages). running mkiconmap.pl script for grabbing images for the channels asks for my zip code, and when I enter it (US ZIP code) it says – Invalid Postal Code

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xris:

bluef0x: all of it

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sloncho:

any ideas?

[03:56:14]

destrekor:

xris: yep, complete lock.. numlock and similar keys don't change status and screen stays black, reset button doesn't even reset PC it seemed (not sure), had to hold power button

[03:56:34]

xris:

bluef0x: mythtv keeps live tv recordings around until something else with a higher priority comes along and mythtv deletes them

[03:56:38]

bluef0x:

livetv doesnt delete after ___GB used?

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xris:

destrekor: weird.

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bluef0x:

so if i set to record a program

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bluef0x:

itll erase livetv?

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xris:

bluef0x: if it needs the disk space, yes

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bluef0x:

ok

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bluef0x:

so i can up the bitrate on livetv

[03:57:09]

bluef0x:

a lot?

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xris:

destrekor: not much else I can say other than maybe installing gdb and doing a low level debug

[03:57:26]

xris:

bluef0x: at least for testing, sure.

[03:57:47]

bluef0x:

why not for normal use?

[03:57:53]

xris:

that's up to you

[03:57:58]

bluef0x:

thanks a lot for your help

[03:58:05]

bluef0x:

:)

[03:58:33]

bluef0x:

so excited to have myth up and running

[03:59:09]

bluef0x:

only have two problems... #1 my remote doesnt work , #2 the program guide is off by like 6 hours

[03:59:52]

jajaja-:

when i run mythfrontedn I get a X error baddevice error 166 and static in live tv

[03:59:52]

destrekor:

xris: would it help to see any kind of info from my system? i have a topic at mythtvtalk.com (here:http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php . . . ;highlight=)

[04:00:10]

xris:

destrekor: at the point of a hard lock, no... means something serious is going wrong

[04:00:20]

xris:

destrekor: actually... are you using the nvidia or nv driver?

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destrekor:

nvidia through yum

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destrekor:

latest one i believe

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bluef0x:

destrekor

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bluef0x:

if you cant get it to work in FC, try using knoppmyth

[04:02:02]

destrekor:

bluef0x: i know thats an option, but i get pretty determined and hate giving up

[04:02:29]

bluef0x:

i followed the wilsonet guide step by step, and wasnt able to get anything through my pvr-500

[04:02:42]

bluef0x:

used knoppmyth and everything but the remote was set up perfectly

[04:02:47]

Dagmar:

You gotta try harder then

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bluef0x:

its not giving up, its trying the same thing via a different route ;D

[04:03:11]

xris:

destrekor: a total hard lock means that something f'd with X, which usually means something with the video driver...

[04:03:49]

destrekor:

dagmar: only so hard to try when i don't know what the hell im really doing in linux

[04:03:51]

xris:

that could be driver issues, or mythtv's interaction with the driver like xvmc

[04:03:54]

Dagmar:

bluef0x: Well, fixing your program guide is a matter of running mythtv-setup and setting the time offset to Auto so it'll look at TZ

[04:04:04]

destrekor:

i've only used linux a few times before this for when windows went crazy on my pc's

[04:04:19]

Dagmar:

destrekor: In that case, you should be reading some introductory Linux/Unix texts

[04:04:34]

bluef0x:

im in your boat destrekor

[04:04:49]

destrekor:

entire books when i dont want to touch linux outside of a PVR?

[04:04:56]

bluef0x:

Dagmar: i ran KnoppMyth-tz and the time and timezone are correct

[04:05:12]

Dagmar:

destrekor: You get to either learn how to use Linux, or use someone's canned packages and just hope they work.

[04:05:22]

Dagmar:

Lord knows you're not troubleshooting anything when you're ignorant of how anything works.

[04:05:24]

bluef0x:

aka KnoppMyth :)

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destrekor:

i've read linux stuff but that was awhile ago when i thought i was going to really get into it

[04:05:41]

Dagmar:

It also helps when you actually pay attention to the answers.

[04:05:49]

Dagmar:

I said you need to run mythtv-setup

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Aid`:

ah another clueless new mythtv user? :s

[04:06:19]

bluef0x:

me Dagmar?

[04:06:25]

Dagmar:

That's where you set up the offset myth uses for the program guide

[04:06:29]

destrekor:

i musta blanked because i never saw that.. but i did run the setup or else i wouldn't be here

[04:06:43]

bluef0x:

so do i set the offset to -6 if the program guide is 6 hours off?

[04:06:52]

destrekor:

oh wait, not me

[04:07:14]

Dagmar:

If you're in CST, then -0600 would be the thing, but I'm of the impression you want Auto because some parts of the year it won't be -0600 anymore

[04:07:15]

destrekor:

aid': everyone's gotta start somewhere ;)

[04:07:38]

destrekor:

xris: so should i try an older nvidia driver?

[04:09:01]

bluef0x:

where am i going in mythtv-setup??

[04:09:09]

Dagmar:

Somewhere in there

[04:09:15]

Dagmar:

Don't make me click the mouse for you

[04:09:27]

bluef0x:

hmm

[04:09:53]

Dagmar:

I believe it's under the first menu option, but it might be the second.

[04:10:19]

bluef0x:

only thing that it looks like it'd be under is general

[04:10:22]

bluef0x:

but i didnt find anything

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bluef0x:

nevermind

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bluef0x:

found it

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Dagmar:

Gosh

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bluef0x:

change it from None to Auto?

[04:10:49]

Dagmar:

Yes.

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bluef0x:

well my screen is cutoff a bit

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Aid`:

a bit off topic: POOR, POOR MAVERICKS

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xris:

destrekor: I'd try gdb first

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destrekor:

xris: and that'd be, what?

[04:12:07]

xris:

gnu debugger

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bluef0x:

hmm

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bluef0x:

still off :/

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Dagmar:

destrekor: The next best thing to a Cat 'O Nine Tails

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destrekor:

dagmar: yay, fun?

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bluef0x:

by some crazy amount of hours

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xris:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2

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Aid`:

who here have non-high definition tv and uses mythtv?

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bluef0x:

me

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Aid`:

what dimensions and bitrate do you have

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bluef0x:

720x480

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bluef0x:

4500 bitrate

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bluef0x:

well max res, i think thats it

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Aid`:

does that make a big difference?

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destrekor:

xris: so what do i do since it wants to be run the configure script.. i used yum

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bluef0x:

i noticed a little improbement

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bluef0x:

improvement*

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bluef0x:

a bit more crisp

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[04:14:17]

xris:

destrekor: huh?

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Aid`:

so you think 480x480 and 2200 is not enough?

[04:14:21]

bluef0x:

not sure if it's the resolution change, bitrate change, or both

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xris:

destrekor: oh. ignore that. atrpms compiles in debug mode

[04:14:52]

destrekor:

xris: so just move on then?

[04:14:56]

xris:

yeah

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Aid`:

bluef0x: well i think it is the res change because of the extra pixels all bitrate does really is make everything more smooth

[04:15:01]

xris:

afk, need a shower...

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bluef0x:

well i noticed a difference, still not as clear as normal cable though

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bluef0x:

check it out for yourself

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Aid`:

yeah i will how much space per hour?

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destrekor:

xris: so what am i aiming to do with this? even on that page it says non privileged users cant crash systems and that crashes have to be driver/hardware issues

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destrekor:

so im basically looking at capture card drivers (ivtv) or the nvidia drivers, right?

[04:18:39]

destrekor:

here is where it gets funny, i was confused by the guide im following, so these two lines i didn't put it because i didn't know how..

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destrekor:

in modprobe.conf, these two lines it sounded like I needed to add one way or another: first line that i was told to add: post-install ivtv ivtv_init second line: add above ivtv ivtv-fb i figured it meant modprobe.conf because the guide had been talking about it at that point

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destrekor:

well i have to get going for a bit.... if y'all can just leave suggestions if there are any left to be made, or even take a look at my forum post at mythtvtalk.com (http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php . . . ;highlight=) that'd be great.. i wont be home for 2 hours or so

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destrekor:

thanks for the help so far and i'll poke around at the stuff already mentioned

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kleptophobiac2:

anybody using an sb live?

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bluef0x:

anyone know how to stop a little bit of the left side being clipped?

[04:31:43]

kleptophobiac2:

you can run myth in a window and move/resize it to your heart's content

[04:31:54]

kleptophobiac2:

under the appearance setup menu

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bluef0x:

mythtv-setup ?

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kleptophobiac2:

nono

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kleptophobiac2:

frontend app

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kleptophobiac2:

utils and setup --> general --> appearance

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bluef0x:

anyone have advice on getting the program guide to show up in the righttime?

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bluef0x:

right now it says ... Dr Phil is on when its Law and Order

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Anduin:

bluef0x: having both your time and timezone set correctly usually helps.

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bluef0x:

it is

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bluef0x:

any other advice? :(

[05:56:08]

bluef0x:

nevermind, got it!

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bluef0x:

only thing left is to get my remote working! wohoooo

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bluef0x:

ill save that for tomorrow though, lol

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Dagmar:

So obviously he hadn't set his clock correctly.

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kleptophobiac2:

is the chaintech av710 any good for analog output?

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Dagmar:

Most of the time when someone's willing to put their name on a card, the output will be reasonable

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Dagmar:

I've gotten two different Chaintech cards recently. They seem to be okay

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kleptophobiac2:

alright

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xris:

kleptophobiac2: video card?

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kleptophobiac2:

people seem to like the SPDIF out, but I'm not using digital

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xris:

oh, audio

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kleptophobiac2:

xris – envy24t audio

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kleptophobiac2:

I really like the video out on my nvidia 6150 mobo. the component is badass

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kleptophobiac2:

but the audio makes noises with NIC and CPU activity

[06:30:58]

kleptophobiac2:

so I need a discrete sound card

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kleptophobiac2:

I have a live 5.1

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kleptophobiac2:

and it works

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kleptophobiac2:

and I want to use it

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kleptophobiac2:

but it has no master mixer control

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kleptophobiac2:

it's a totally ridiculously retarded problem

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bluef0x:

Dagmar – my time was correct.

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bluef0x:

Dagmar – i think it was the "timezone" being set to auto, but the database not updating. I stopped the backend, deleted all the channels/guides, ran mythfilldatabase again, and it worked.

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bluef0x:

didnt change the time at all.

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Dagmar:

Probably you just needed to restart either the DB or the backend then

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bluef0x:

nah tried that

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bluef0x:

and did mythfilldatabase --update

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bluef0x:

restarted it multiple times, even changed the offset and restarted it and ran mythfill ... noything would change the program guide at all

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bluef0x:

nothing*

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bluef0x:

weird

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kleptophobiac2:

any idea how to use an asound.conf to kludge a true master volume control?

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bluef0x:

whats a red colored date and time mean under the recording manager in myth?

[06:37:21]

kleptophobiac2:

conflict?

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kleptophobiac2:

well, i'm going to hammer at this some more tomorrow

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kleptophobiac2:

night

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bluef0x:

hmm conflict how? nothing else is being recorded then

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bluef0x:

oh

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bluef0x:

its being recorded right now :)

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bluef0x:

i see

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juski:

morning all

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Merlin83b:

Morning juski

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stuarta:

morning

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juski:

last working day of the week today

[09:02:25]

Merlin83b:

Slacker.

[09:04:59]

stuarta:

bum. I can't talk though, going to Ascot for ladies day tomorrow

[09:07:45]

juski:

Merlin83b: gonna start trying to build minimyth for s100 at the weekend

[09:08:04]

Merlin83b:

:>

[09:08:32]

Merlin83b:

stuarta: Does the 'a' make your name feminine? :-)

[09:08:38]

juski:

not gonna use cramfs, apparently the minibuild builder can built it to an nfsroot target too

[09:09:12]

stuarta:

:-P Nope, just too many stuart's in the world.

[09:09:15]

juski:

so stuarta: you going all the way with hats etc? :-P

[09:09:59]

stuarta:

nah, playing tour guide, so it'll just be a quick change into a decent shirt

[09:10:25]

juski:

ahh

[09:10:42]

juski:

oh ffs.. the words I dreaded seeing: "Your current profile is deprecated and not supported anymore.

[09:10:42]

juski:

!!! Please upgrade to the following profile if possible"

[09:11:17]

stuarta:

huh?

[09:11:58]

mchou:

stuarta: what is ascot?

[09:12:15]

stuarta:

Royal Ascot is a horse racing track

[09:12:18]

juski:

just done an emerge --sync on my main system

[09:12:27]

mchou:

stuarta: ah, ok. I thought so

[09:12:51]

mchou:

stuarta: are the ladies racing?

[09:12:56]

mchou:

:)

[09:12:57]

stuarta:

if you have a look at the bbc website you'll see yesterdays hat's

[09:13:08]

stuarta:

mchou: some of the racers are ladies :)

[09:13:19]

mchou:

stuarta: no kidding?

[09:13:30]

mchou:

there are female jockeys?

[09:13:35]

stuarta:

phillies I believe is the term :)

[09:14:02]

stuarta:

a few.

[09:14:27]

mchou:

damn, I suppose light weight would be an advantage

[09:14:32]

stuarta:

bit hard to tell. all jockets are 4ft tall and wearing silly outfits.

[09:14:47]

mchou:

stuarta: that what binocs are for

[09:14:50]

stuarta:

jockets? jockeys even...

[09:15:37]

stuarta:

bah binoculars. all you need is alcohol & a bookie

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juski:

corporate hospitality eh.. can't be beat. too bad I can't find my way onto our le mans guest list

[09:17:37]

mchou:

haha!

[09:18:31]

stuarta:

corporate! I wish. We are in the cheap seats with all the chicks trying to dress up like they are worth $$$. Entertainment at its finest

[09:18:34]

mchou:

how about Wimbledon?

[09:18:54]

juski:

blech

[09:19:00]

stuarta:

mchou: think i'll paint my house and watch it dry

[09:19:12]

mchou:

stuarta: do ppl still put on airs at the Royal Ascot?

[09:19:39]

mchou:

stuarta: not a fan of tennis?

[09:19:41]

stuarta:

mchou: that's the entire point. apparently the is some horse racing happening too.

[09:19:42]

hashbang:

mchou: yup, and graces too.

[09:19:58]

juski:

ooh hellair there

[09:20:06]

** stuarta doesn't mind tennis **

[09:20:29]

stuarta:

wimbledon is good for testing myth's newly found interactive tv abilities.

[09:20:42]

mchou:

stuarta: so that's the place to be see abd be seen?

[09:20:51]

mchou:

and*

[09:21:05]

mchou:

stuarta: Royal Ascot, that is.

[09:21:13]

juski:

poseurs, voyeurs & wannabees ;-)

[09:21:46]

stuarta:

dunno exactly

[09:22:29]

juski:

the footballers' wives enclosure?

[09:22:43]

stuarta:

hehe, an ex-taxi driver bought a crap horse in aus, turned him into a winner, now it's won a race at ascot y2day.

[09:23:17]

stuarta:

none of us are ever going to be invited into the Royal enclosure.

[09:24:42]

Merlin83b:

juski: air hair lair!

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mchou:

sigh....

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juski:

anyway stuarta.. should be topper fun, what what

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stuarta:

yep, plus straight back from the races to the pub for Aus v Croatia...

[09:32:01]

juski:

hmm my desk pc looks weird with the case side back on

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juski:

hahahaha. oh gentoo you fscking PoS

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juski:

new portage requires pycrypto, which is broken

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darthy:

hi everyone

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juski:

silly gentoo looking for i386 gcc stuff. it should know I'm on i686

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robthebob:

anyone know anything about themes?

[10:57:24]

robthebob:

like whether i can override their xml files in the .mythtv dir?

[10:57:31]

Dagmar:

You can.

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** juski knows nothing about themes yet has made two **

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juski:

:-P

[10:58:41]

robthebob:

so would i create ~/Iulius/ui.xml for example?

[10:58:56]

robthebob:

just wasnt sure whether to recreate the entire directory structure

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robthebob:

* ~/.mythtv/...

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robthebob:

Dagmar?

[11:02:16]

Dagmar:

If I don't answer it's because either I don't know or I don't care.

[11:02:43]

Dagmar:

In this case it's the former, but it'll probably work like most other XML stuff, with locally scoped objects overwriting the ones read in earlier

[11:02:46]

robthebob:

oh right, i thought you might just not have seen as i didn't use your nick

[11:03:58]

Dagmar:

...but that's an uneducated guess.

[11:04:17]

Dagmar:

There's a lot of stuff in MythTV that doesn't sit well with me right now. I just don't have time to muddle through the Qt stuff to fix much of it.

[11:04:18]

Dagmar:

;)

[11:05:22]

Dagmar:

I am seriously considering just disabling the config menus built into the thing entirely

[11:05:53]

Dagmar:

This is the sort of thing that it would be a LOT easier to deal with using a CGI, I suspect.

[11:06:23]

Dagmar:

soooo many menus

[11:14:27]

b8zs:

ok so i now have mythv compiled on my backend server, and mythtv + KDE compiled on myfront end server. Whats next :)

[11:15:20]

b8zs:

someone was mentioning before forwarding and x session to my front end so I can run mythtv-setup

[11:15:44]

Dagmar:

THat's easy enough

[11:15:47]

b8zs:

but atm im not really sure what the difference is between a mythtv backend and frontend server (in software)

[11:15:56]

Dagmar:

The frontend isn't a server

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b8zs:

i get that the backend feeds the frontend

[11:16:03]

Dagmar:

Think of the frontend part as a lcient.

[11:16:06]

Dagmar:

er client.

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b8zs:

but they both have the same codebase

[11:16:15]

b8zs:

amkes no sense

[11:16:15]

Dagmar:

The backend is basically mythbackend and mysql together

[11:16:23]

Dagmar:

No, they both come in the same source package.

[11:16:28]

Dagmar:

They are *not* the same programs.

[11:16:38]

b8zs:

oh

[11:16:43]

juski:

they share some librartiries, be fair ;-)

[11:17:05]

Dagmar:

HAve you enabled X11forwarding on your backend's sshd?

[11:17:16]

b8zs:

no, but that is easy enough

[11:18:38]

Dagmar:

Okay. Once you've turned AllowTcpForwarding and X11Forwarding on in your sshd's config, and restarted the sshd, all you need to do is run `ssh -X hostname` from the host you've got an X display running on, and when you login you should be able to run mythtv-setup and the display will pop up on your local console

[11:19:10]

b8zs:

if I am goign to forward my console, then why would I need a front-end?

[11:19:27]

Dagmar:

Because they have nothing to do with each other

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b8zs:

..thats runnign myth at all

[11:19:41]

Dagmar:

You need to run mythtv-setup on the machine hosting the backend.

[11:19:53]

b8zs:

roger

[11:21:27]

b8zs:

thanks for your help dagmar.. those pieces were blurry in my head

[11:21:43]

b8zs:

plus I just got off work, so meh

[11:22:04]

Dagmar:

Don't sweat it. It took me some time to sort it all out

[11:22:40]

Dagmar:

Slowly but surely I'm getting a set of packages for Slackware completed.

[11:23:23]

Dagmar:

lirc can't be sanely packaged, same goes for ivtv really. XMLTV (and it's 1,001 dependencies) is all I've got left to package

[11:23:24]

Hoxzer:

.... hmmm

[11:23:35]

Hoxzer:

I always make girls NOT to like me

[11:23:42]

Hoxzer:

and I don't really understand how

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b8zs:

do they *know* you run mythtv?

[11:24:09]

Hoxzer:

they are like 5 seconds talking with me and then they are like "O_o... dood what a nerd"

[11:24:10]

Dagmar:

Well, if you'll teach me how to make girls, I'll share what I figure out about how to get the amenability features working.

[11:24:22]

Hoxzer:

b8zs: no :(

[11:24:34]

b8zs:

any girl worth keeping should be like "z0mg mythtv!:

[11:26:02]

b8zs:

seriously though, my rule of thumb is no linux around any potential dates

[11:26:13]

b8zs:

no linux conversation that is

[11:26:26]

juski:

another tip: don't ask her which she prefers: kde or gnome – always a turn-off I found

[11:26:28]

Dagmar:

You can try LUGs, but those tend to be sausage-fests

[11:26:41]

b8zs:

yes its cool you got qmail and spam assassin working great but *they* couldnt give 2 cares less

[11:27:00]

b8zs:

ya LUGs are not the place to look for women

[11:27:22]

Hoxzer:

juski: :D

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Dagmar:

At least you're not this guy http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6880888700625496919

[11:28:39]

Dagmar:

Singing about my bot

[11:30:09]

Dagmar:

That guy is NEVER getting laid, band or not.

[11:30:24]

Dagmar:

I don't think they tolerate that sort of geekiness, even in Germany.

[11:30:29]

b8zs:

or these guys http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=75210 . . . ear+of+girls

[11:31:16]

juski:

if you wanna meet women you should become a DJ. note that I didn't say they'd all be nice, but it's how I met my wife

[11:31:36]

Dagmar:

Yo. This is why I'll be happy to get my records back this coming month

[11:31:53]

Dagmar:

I expect there will be some complaints from my girlfriend, but she'll get over it.

[11:32:11]

mchou:

wtf....

[11:32:25]

mchou:

losers

[11:32:44]

juski:

... said Casonva

[11:32:51]

juski:

blech

[11:32:51]

Dagmar:

She *says* she's bi. I suppose we'll find out.

[11:32:53]

juski:

Casanova

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mchou:

I'm a geek, and I have more personality than that

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mchou:

those guys are stuck in flatland

[11:33:47]

mchou:

completely one dimensional

[11:35:09]

mchou:

b8zsNetra: are those "actors" or real ppl?

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Hoxzer:

juski: have u been a dj?

[11:36:03]

juski:

Hoxzer: yes and I (it) was nothing to write home about. playing tunes to a motley crue of pilled-up, drunk or violent teens :-/ (or worse, middle aged women)

[11:36:32]

Hoxzer:

:D did they try to rape u ?

[11:36:35]

juski:

butit was kinda interesting from time to time, doing the people-watching thing

[11:36:44]

Dagmar:

Bleh. barmitzvah DJs

[11:37:01]

Dagmar:

You get FAR more play spinning house or techno

[11:37:01]

stuarta:

juski: bar work has the same affect.

[11:37:10]

Hoxzer:

juski: but everybody says DJ's job is cool thing?

[11:37:22]

juski:

Dagmar: shite. I did that too. and guess what – it sucked even more

[11:37:28]

juski:

DJing is NOT cool

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Hoxzer:

:D

[11:37:41]

juski:

it's just perceived as that by misinformed people

[11:37:45]

Hoxzer:

but it did get u laid eh?

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Dagmar:

...and not to be crass, but if you spin acid house or glitch hop, most of the girls are pretty toasted. heh

[11:38:09]

juski:

plenty of stuff out there for those who are willing

[11:38:18]

Hoxzer:

Yeah

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Hoxzer:

how can I have it?

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juski:

get some headphones & a box of records, then call yourself a DJ. that's how easy it is

[11:38:48]

Hoxzer:

I'm a 18 years old nerd who is wearing eye classes and lenght is 172 CM

[11:38:55]

juski:

whether you get anywhere or not depends how much of a whore you are

[11:38:59]

Dagmar:

juski: I just don't see how you can come to that conclusion. Sure, you wanna take a stick and smack the people who want to put in requests for Britney Spears when you're furiously crabbing two tracks at 180bpm, but they can be ignored easily enough

[11:39:07]

Hoxzer:

I also talk like "...low voice"

[11:39:16]

Dagmar:

Oh pooh on trying to get anywhere

[11:39:31]

Dagmar:

If you're not in it for the drugs and the chicks you're just wasting your time.

[11:39:58]

Dagmar:

Doing it to make money is exactly the point at which it begins to suck.

[11:39:58]

stuarta:

Hoxzer: go work in a bar, serve them beer. you can practice flirting with them & they won't remember

[11:40:00]

juski:

it can be fun like anything else but dealing with the public, especially drunk / pilled up folks... I could take it or leave it, so I left it

[11:40:11]

Hoxzer:

stuarta: :D

[11:40:39]

stuarta:

it's good for improving your social skills, and a cheap night out :)

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Hoxzer:

But what if I met someone from my school?

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juski:

and bar staff make the best company on nights out, I always found. the only thing I miss about DJing is the other staff & the socialising with them

[11:41:14]

stuarta:

get paid, dont spend money on beer, get to watch people...

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Hoxzer:

[11:41:29]

Hoxzer:

and then they start asking questions :D

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stuarta:

Hoxzer: call it a temp job b4 uni

[11:41:56]

Hoxzer:

always THEY ASK QUESTIONS I dont understand why some many people are so interested about me

[11:41:56]

juski:

can be a good way to make money too – by short-changing very drunk people

[11:42:09]

stuarta:

you may even learn to make a few cocktail. always useful at parties.

[11:42:30]

Hoxzer:

stuarta: I dont party :/, I dont even have any IRL friends

[11:42:30]

stuarta:

Hoxzer: if they ask questions then you don't even have to flirt with them. too easy

[11:42:35]

juski:

barstaff know how to make cocktails? I have to stop going out in manchester

[11:42:43]

mchou:

I dunno what planet you guys are from. I've never met a dj groupie

[11:42:57]

mchou:

must be in your wildest dreams

[11:42:58]

stuarta:

juski: never seen the cheat sheat behind the bar :)

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juski:

mchou: it happens

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stuarta:

all the time

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juski:

even with my ugly mug :-)

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** stuarta fondly remembers the 19yr old short petite blond who was one of twins... **

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mchou:

juski: it happens like lightning hitting you 2x in one night at the same place

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** juski remembers giving 2 girls a lift home from Middlesbrough one night and erm.. falling asleep at the wheelk the next day because he'd got absolutely no sleep at all **

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mchou:

juski: it only happens if ppl are so drunk or drugged out that they dont care who they sleep with

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juski:

mchou: I know that – it's all very shallow

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stuarta:

mchou: they still decided, just the standards are altered....

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juski:

no coersion takes place

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mchou:

"decided" would be a stretch

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stuarta:

he I got picked up by the blonde!!!!

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juski:

even if it's at coat-check time, it still counts

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stuarta:

still trying to work that one out....

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mchou:

like if I'm drugged out I would be capable of "deciding" anything :)

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juski:

made some mistakes, but incase anyone is eating lunch I won't recount the worst tale

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stuarta:

mchou: that's called the dreggs at the end of the night & I wouldn't go there for anything.

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juski:

stuarta: in my case _I_ was the end of the night dregs lol

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stuarta:

bit like the end of american pie "I've been taken advantage of. Woo hoo!!!" ????

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Dagmar:

That's the hazard of girls you meet in bars. Rather frequently they're there because they're alcoholics or not the sort of person you want to see in a good light.

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juski:

yeh well

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** stuarta met his missus on a wine tout **

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stuarta:

tour even

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stuarta:

in summary, bar/dj work is good to get you at least talking to the other side.

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stuarta:

where it goes from there is up to you.

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mchou:

stuarta: lol

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juski:

oo yeah. won't guarantee you'll meet the cream of society but hey...

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stuarta:

it's good practice at talking to people you don't know for when you find one you want to know.

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mchou:

it's only one step up from crack hoes

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** stuarta disagrees **

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mchou:

stuarta: lol

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stuarta:

mchou: you are supposed to work in the nice part of town....

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mchou:

haha!!

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juski:

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stuarta:

if you work at the other end of town you get what you deserve

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Dagmar:

The real "action" is at private parties.

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juski:

I've been to one of those kind of parties..

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Dagmar:

Parties where the DJs are running the show, mind you.

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juski:

oh.. _that_ kind of party

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mchou:

stuarta: I think you're full of shit

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stuarta:

mchou: how so?

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mchou:

I play in a gigs in a band

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stuarta:

band groupies are different

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mchou:

and believe me, we're pretty good, repeat business all the time

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mchou:

dont think anyone would give time of day to a DJ

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stuarta:

its two different crowds. the music crowd and the generic party crowd

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juski:

mchou: depends where you are really, and who you're playing to

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stuarta:

music crowd's are only interesting in the band.

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stuarta:

party crowd don't give a shit about the band.

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stuarta:

it's also a uk thing. too many clubs. not enough bands

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juski:

too many shite bands

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asd26:

tv_grab_au seems to be failing me

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juski:

but at the same time too many sheeplike folks

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asd26:

it doesn't display information, only times and show name

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stuarta:

since WW2 pubs have been shutting at 11pm so people have had to go clubbing. it sucks

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mchou:

only DJ that get "any" are the hip hop "jam master flash types"

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Hoxzer:

:D jam master flash wtf

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mchou:

who spin mean records......

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juski:

mchou: maybe where you live. places I've worked at it's a guy with a box of records in one hand & headphones in the other

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Hoxzer:

nice way to put it

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** stuarta hates that crap **

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Dagmar:

Bah you don't have to play thug music to get chicks.

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asd26:

i can't stand hihop

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mchou:

Those are the only DJs who have groupies

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Hoxzer:

:-) I like all kinds of music

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asd26:

i swear that music is being shoved down the troats of the youth

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juski:

asd26: if they weren't lapping it up like no tomorrow there'd be no supply

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stuarta:

in the uk it's the ibiza clubbing scene type dj's people want

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Dagmar:

Rave/techno DJs are still quite hot properties

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asd26:

juski well when 50% of music that music industry, what else can u eat?

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juski:

anyway – I'd never describe my experiences as 'groupies' per se...

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juski:

asd26: I choose none of the above

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Dagmar:

asd26: Little squares of paper. ;)

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asd26:

i mean really, rock, metal used be good, but the music industry scraped them

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juski:

I have a mind of my own, pretty much. that's the problem – these kids don't

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asd26:

music industry enginneered what people like

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Hoxzer:

THey made us what we are!

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stuarta:

speaking of eating, i'm hungry, off to lunch....

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juski:

no! we built this city on rock & roll dude

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asd26:

hi-hop is considered american culture anyway

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Hoxzer:

:( helsinki was build on sea coast but anyway stupade day

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juski:

.. as if rock didn't become stale & generic...

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juski:

got big hair? bad taste in clothes? be a rawk star!

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juski:

anyhoo.. I'

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juski:

I'm off to see the nice folks in mythtv-users

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asd26:

we at least rock was music, hihop who knows what it is

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asd26:

dam antenna loop, all i can get is one meter

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juski:

asd26: you sound like your parents

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mchou:

asd26: you're just too old :)

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asd26:

the loss of it causes my 2nd to drop off

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mchou:

asd26: there are ppl that only appreciate classical music. rock to them sounds like garbage :)

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asd26:

well rock isn't real music, but it's better then hihop

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mchou:

asd26: it's hiphop, not hihop :)

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asd26:

i guess it's inteligence..the smarter you are the more technical the music you listen to, the dumber

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juski:

there's some mighty fine hiphop around. and in rawk, there's shite like The Darkness

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juski:

much of a muchness. some classical stuff makes my ears bleed. hmmm atonal 'challenging' material

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mchou:

atonality is passe

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mchou:

nobody does that crap any more

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asd26:

any know why mythtv_au grab only gets names and times, no more info?

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mchou:

composers realize they need to be accessible

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mchou:

not just explore microtoones and crap

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mchou:

microtones*

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Hoxzer:

imho linus looks so neerdy

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juski:

looks have nothing to do with it. last placed I worked, I thought the head hardware designer was the cleaner the 1st time I met him

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scopeuk:

juski best way

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scopeuk:

then you dont get prats askign you iritating questions

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Hoxzer:

Wtf

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Hoxzer:

Linus married his student

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Hoxzer:

what a pervert...

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scopeuk:

in that eviroment they could be the same age

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Hoxzer:

Like I thought there is a LINE between teachers and students

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scopeuk:

hell imho no diferent than marryign a colegue

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juski:

anyway Hoxzer I forgot the best advice to give you would be to stop worrying about it, or it'll never happen. the opposite sex are very good at spotting desperation :-P

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asd26:

linux has not destroyed mircosoft, still has no served it's purpose..lol

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scopeuk:

linux dosetn need to destroy ms

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scopeuk:

jsut offer an alternative

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scopeuk:

people will be usign linux for a long time hell peopel still use amiga os

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Hoxzer:

But guys

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Hoxzer:

nothing

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asd26:

why does one need to work 38 hour weeks?

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stuarta:

so you get to go home early on Fridays?

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asd26:

lol

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asd26:

i mean working today isn't rewarding..lol

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mchou:

asd26: heh, they do that so they wont have to pay you BENEFITS :)

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juski:

if work isn't reward enough in itself you're in the wrong job :-P

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asd26:

i mean money is mostly useless

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mchou:

asd26: huh?

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juski:

oh god not this deep philosophical shite again

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mchou:

asd26: you're independently wealthy? time to quit your job?

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asd26:

u work because of money, money doesn't get you much, u feel like youring geting nowhere

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asd26:

the whole society is structured on the love money

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qu0zl:

but how would you afford blackjack and hookers without money?

[12:53:15]

qu0zl:

makes no sense

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mchou:

asd26: that's a differnent matter entirely. That means you're underpaid

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asd26:

hookers..lol

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juski:

hey I know let's all share everything & live in a commune. over my dead body!

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** stuarta shouts "It's all a bunch of tree hugging hippy crap" **

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mchou:

asd26: if you really want to make money, start investing. once you derive steady cash flow you can quit your day job

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asd26:

i mean inflation keeps on rising, and everything keep on earning less and less and more and more

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asd26:

isn't investing risky?

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roger55:

a nudist geek commune – eek ;)

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juski:

running just to stand still. hey welcome to life asd26

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mchou:

asd26: no risk means no gain

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juski:

no gain – no other guy's pain

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asd26:

mchou u invest?

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mchou:

sure I invest

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mchou:

doesnt everybody?

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juski:

I invest too much time in here and on forums with losers, that's fer sure

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mchou:

there is no way to make enough money if you just sit on your "day job" salary

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mchou:

certainly not enough to retire

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asd26:

what are the returns? 15%? a year??

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mchou:

nah, a tad more modest than that. maybe around 12%

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mchou:

probably even 11

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** juski is gonna die poor if he lives too long **

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mchou:

but as my investments mature I will get more

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juski:

(like most of the UK actually, but who cares?)

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mchou:

cause the cash flow becomes positive

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asd26:

i think society needs to get rid of money, and banks and people who print money

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Beirdo:

hah

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asd26:

they are theifs

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juski:

riiight. over whose dead body?

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Beirdo:

who let Karl Marx in here?

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mchou:

asd26: yeah, go live with the yanomamo in the Amazon :)

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asd26:

inflation keeps on rising and and people wages stay the same

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reze:

lol, Beirdo

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mchou:

asd26: even there you need to be able to "barter"

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Merlin83b:

Sooner or later people barter for promises.

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juski:

capitalism, although eeeeevil, is endemic one way or another

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Merlin83b:

Promises become expressed with tokens.

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mchou:

asd26: bartering is a form of currency, just not "cash/money"

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Merlin83b:

Which are money.

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asd26:

creating money is prone to corpution

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** Merlin83b *heart* capitalism **

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asd26:

leting governments control money is a mistake

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Beirdo:

having anyone else control money would be mayhem

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asd26:

then again i'n no expert in these matters

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juski:

no asd26: giving humans the means to control things is a mistake, if you look at the bigger picture. we're not very nice to each other generally. we're just like animals infact, only some people get pleasure out of hurting others whereas as far as anybody knows, animals don't

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mchou:

asd26: where do you live?

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asd26:

seems like wealth is a dynamic process goes up and down

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Beirdo:

in a former penal colony

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asd26:

australia

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juski:

wealth only goes up & up & up if you grease the right wheels

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mchou:

asd26: I mean be thankful you dont live in a country that has MASSIVE inflation

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asd26:

which are those?

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Beirdo:

Brazil, Argentina, etc

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Beirdo:

maybe not Brazil now, but historically

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asd26:

they are corput country's

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mchou:

asd26: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5412126

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asd26:

most are loan money from the IMF, which of course print money out of thin air

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Beirdo:

all countries are corrupt, what's your point?

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asd26:

International banks i suspect are corput

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mchou:

1000% inflation :)

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mchou:

I mean you might as well burn your cash

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juski:

can we go back to hitting noobs with the cluebat? please?

[13:05:54]

Beirdo:

wipe your ass with it

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mchou:

get more out of it taht way

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asd26:

lol it's only paper

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** Beirdo hands juski a cluebat **

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asd26:

it's not like money has hidden earn to power a car..lol

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stuarta:

turkey used to have 1000000 lira notes as their smallest note.

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stuarta:

worth about 40p

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Beirdo:

Italy wasn't much better pre-Euro

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asd26:

i heard heavily corput country's keep on adding 000's..lol

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asd26:

what do u think of the Euro?

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Beirdo:

could care less

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Beirdo:

what does it have to do with mythtv?

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scopeuk:

oh god help us the europeans and ammericans have made an agrement to enforce ip law in 3rd party countries they have "identified"

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scopeuk:

this summit is scary

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asd26:

i hate america, god, they pressured the swedish government to shut down pirate bay

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mchou:

lol

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scopeuk:

tpb isent shutdown

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mchou:

that wasnt "America"

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scopeuk:

any way onto other topics

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asd26:

now i can't sail into pirate bay harbour..lol

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juski:

yeah – screw those guys stopping copyright theft & warez. the l337 r001 !

[13:09:02]

mchou:

that was RIAA

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mchou:

or was it MPAA?

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juski:

:-/

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scopeuk:

it was **AA

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Beirdo:

mchou, practically the govt these days

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juski:

the Motion picture Ass.

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asd26:

i mean really captislim is disaster, cooperations have taken over the governments

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juski:

HELLO!

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scopeuk:

juski its not somuch that as american companies use ip law to stifely compotition and inovation

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Beirdo:

maybe you should pay someone to teach spelling in Australia :)

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** Beirdo is feeling evil today **

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mchou:

Beirdo: "practically" only if ppl stop asserting their votes

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juski:

power == money == power == money

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scopeuk:

monney == power != democrasy

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asd26:

america is failed nation. it's already running a 1984 propaganda system in it's controled media grid

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** juski waits for chutt to come & kick some ass **

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mchou:

asd26: lol. We got the brits to help us in that effort

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Beirdo:

democracy is a stupid system, having to vote on every decision is unproductive

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Beirdo:

anyways...

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Beirdo:

anything myth-related today?

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mchou:

asd26: ever heard of Faux News?

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scopeuk:

i presume youed rarther our dictators whould chose for us hey Beirdo

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qu0zl:

that's what you elect people for Beirdo, so you vote on very few decisions

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asd26:

terrorist, war on terror biggest lies on earth, alqueda this alqueda dam, like fiction story repeated on the media every day

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juski:

my mythtv works just fine.. is there something wrong? :-P

[13:11:48]

scopeuk:

yeh its working ;-)

[13:11:55]

Beirdo:

juski, must be... blame the govt

[13:11:58]

mchou:

yeah, mine works too

[13:12:05]

mchou:

but ivtv acks up

[13:12:05]

scopeuk:

decided what version your runnign at lug juski?

[13:12:06]

asd26:

mchou yeah, fox news..is a joke

[13:12:18]

scopeuk:

the pun is in the name right?

[13:12:19]

mchou:

asd26: owned by a Brit

[13:12:32]

juski:

scopeuk: yeah 0.19-fixes. can't see 0.20 being ready by July 20

[13:12:38]

asd26:

i mean the whole commerical media in america is controled by this junk

[13:12:51]

asd26:

it's honeslty reminded me of 1984

[13:13:07]

Beirdo:

so disconnect your TV and your computer and go live in the outback

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Beirdo:

problem solved

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juski:

as26: if you had the money, and the power, you'd be laughing at us just like they are, and you can't pretend otherwise

[13:13:16]

mchou:

asd26: maybe that's why National Public Radio has biggest market share in the US :)

[13:13:23]

scopeuk:

commercial == driven by profit == who gives a shit about consumers its not liek they elect the government you pay or anything

[13:13:24]

asd26:

land of freedom and liberty and justice, who makes this stuff up?

[13:13:58]

scopeuk:

heh have to love president bushes speaches whoever said that is a ludicris statement

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mchou:

asd26: I think you should come over here and kick some bush :)

[13:14:28]

asd26:

i mean the governments, how many choices do people have two party's? all get into power by the help of the centraliszed controled media

[13:14:29]

mchou:

asd26: I'd love for that to happen

[13:15:04]

** Beirdo readies a spot at Gitmo for asd26 in preparation for his ass-kicking trip **

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mchou:

Beirdo: hehe

[13:15:20]

scopeuk:

heh almsot every "major developed" nation is a two party system

[13:15:21]

asd26:

i mean really they put all these polls up, so that people watching the news, can believe that people voted for the people in power

[13:15:47]

juski:

asd26: can you just stop fucking whining now PLEASE?!

[13:15:47]

mchou:

Beirdo: dont get me started about gitmo

[13:15:49]

asd26:

clever mind manuplation

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scopeuk:

/mute asd26

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juski:

start a revolution if you must do something but STFU

[13:16:04]

scopeuk:

damn ;-)

[13:16:22]

** Beirdo hands juski a trout **

[13:16:24]

scopeuk:

is it +p you set so a suer can only watch?

[13:16:31]

scopeuk:

!slap asd26

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scopeuk:

bots ignoring me

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Beirdo:

!trout asd26

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** MythLogBot slaps asd26 with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

[13:16:52]

Beirdo:

wrong command :)

[13:16:54]

asd26:

i mean really bush, born again christian??? so he can get the christian right vote? it's joke..

[13:16:56]

scopeuk:

trout not slap oops

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TruBl_:

anyone using tv_grab_au.pl ?

[13:17:15]

Beirdo:

asd26, I think we all don't care about Prez Dumbass right now

[13:17:23]

mchou:

asd26: what gets me is Karl Rove doesnt even get a wrist slap

[13:17:27]

asd26:

i live in austrlalia and whine about american politic's..lol

[13:17:46]

scopeuk:

ok one final point then we can go onto myth talk again to win the american vote you make the irish and the italians happy

[13:17:51]

scopeuk:

then the rest falls into place

[13:17:56]

TruBl_:

anyone using tv_grab_au.pl ?

[13:17:58]

mchou:

asd26: the Repugs pretend they did nothing wrong....

[13:18:20]

scopeuk:

asd26 do something usefull your in aU DO YOU USE THE GRABBER ABOVE

[13:19:09]

juski:

scopeuk: ooo handbags! (slap).. lol

[13:19:18]

scopeuk:

lol

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scopeuk:

!handbag asd26

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scopeuk:

nope bot doesnt know that one ;-)

[13:19:43]

asd26:

you huys know what alqueda is?

[13:20:15]

scopeuk:

a decentralise political idea selected by the media and various western governements to allow invasion of none coperative nations?

[13:20:15]

asd26:

it's a storage box of in the cia building that hold's all the information of the russian afgan war

[13:20:40]

asd26:

internet is causing problems, to these chumps

[13:20:45]

Beirdo:

blah blah blah

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asd26:

everyone knows that people on the interest are far more anti-government

[13:21:38]

Beirdo:

and anti-spelling

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asd26:

which doesn't seem to sync with the centralised controled media

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Beirdo:

who CARES

[13:22:14]

scopeuk:

any way shall we move on before we start a flame war

[13:22:26]

Beirdo:

or before banning starts...

[13:22:46]

asd26:

gestapo are after me ahhh

[13:22:58]

mchou:

Beirdo: let's start already pls

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TruBl_:

can anyone help me debug this perl error: http://pastebin.com/723249

[13:23:27]

asd26:

anyone know with my tv_grab is not geting the information of the shows?

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** juski has gone to #politics&conspiracies to ask why mythtv doesn't work **

[13:24:44]

scopeuk:

;-)

[13:24:50]

scopeuk:

no you havent :-)

[13:24:51]

D-side:

they wont tell you.

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D-side:

its a coverup

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juski:

I want the truth!

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juski:

ahh don't tell me – I can't handle the truth..

[13:25:37]

D-side:

you cant handle the truth!

[13:25:51]

D-side:

i feel dirty for having played into your hands

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asd26:

red pill or the blue pill?

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mchou:

D-side: I think Nicolson should tell Bush that :)

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juski:

both, and the yellow one

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Cyberai:

hey all

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Cyberai:

hows the crew?

[13:27:17]

Cyberai:

I'm in here so darn much I feel like family :)

[13:27:36]

scopeuk:

welcoem to the familiar

[13:27:45]

scopeuk:

once your in you never leve

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scopeuk:

leave*

[13:27:53]

juski:

hey how about dropping pvr350 support eh? nice move (seriously)

[13:27:55]

Cyberai:

yeah, it's like the roach motel of irc

[13:27:56]

scopeuk:

any way

[13:28:14]

asd26:

http://www.arrod.co.uk/images/blue-pill1.jpg lol

[13:28:21]

Cyberai:

"roach's check in, but they never check out"

[13:28:25]

mchou:

anybody here happen to use a UPS on the their mythboxen?

[13:29:16]

mchou:

I'm looking for some recommendations

[13:29:39]

Beirdo:

APC and TrippLite are the two most Linux-friendly last I heard

[13:29:41]

mchou:

cause I know the power is going to cut off here once ppl turn on ACs

[13:29:44]

Cyberai:

anywho.... Could anyone here tell me why my mythbox is doing this? When I go to watch TV, all I get is a blank screen and then mythfrontend dies.

[13:30:13]

** Beirdo wanders off to do some code **

[13:30:16]

mchou:

Beirdo: I heard avoid Tripp like the plague

[13:30:18]

Cyberai:

mchou, you can't go wrong with APC, there's even a daemon to run so your box shuts down nicely if the power goes out and the battery exhausts itself.

[13:30:55]

mchou:

Cyberai: no doubt

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mchou:

but APC is a tad expensive

[13:31:21]

D-side:

eh, get one of their little ones that look like a surge protector

[13:31:26]

Beirdo:

you want cheap, or you want good?

[13:31:29]

D-side:

those start at around $40 and work

[13:31:34]

Beirdo:

you can't have both

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mchou:

D-side: no way

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Cyberai:

I work at a manufacturing facility as the IT guy and I use little APC units on the mission critical boxen on the shop floor and I have a mondo APC in my server room that can keep my servers up for 4 hours if the electric goes out. Everything from the little ones to the big one have the "gradeful shutdown" feature built in.

[13:31:57]

mchou:

Beirdo: I want just cheap and good enough to work :)

[13:31:59]

D-side:

mchou: sure. you wont get much life out of it, but it'll shut it down before the battery dies.

[13:32:17]

juski:

that's the minimum I'd expect from any UPS

[13:32:20]

Cyberai:

mchou, I just bought a nice little one for a pc for about $60 at CDW

[13:32:23]

D-side:

if you're planning on using to perservere and continue recording, then no, my solution stinks. :)

[13:32:31]

Beirdo:

APC 750VA at CompUSA for $100 last week

[13:32:33]

mchou:

Cyberai: which model?

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Cyberai:

um, lemme look, hold on

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Beirdo:

I'm holding out for a 1500VA or larger

[13:33:15]

mchou:

Beirdo: no way I'd pay $100 for 750VA

[13:33:34]

Beirdo:

so buy el-cheapo and live with it sucking :)

[13:33:43]

mchou:

Best buy has one 650VA for $20

[13:33:58]

mchou:

"Geek Squad"

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Beirdo:

different series, I'd bet

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Cyberai:

mchou, it's a CS-350 – http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.aspx?EDC=290573 (you may have to have an account, I don't know)

[13:34:13]

D-side:

you know what tripplite's are good for?

[13:34:13]

mchou:

but serial cable, though

[13:34:18]

D-side:

911 calls.

[13:34:25]

mchou:

D-side: lol

[13:34:31]

mchou:

fire hazards??

[13:34:37]

Beirdo:

anyways, gonna get back to coding

[13:34:40]

asd26:

9 11...lol sept11..

[13:34:46]

D-side:

i've had 5 of them or so spontaneously combust

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D-side:

asd26: OMFG tripplite == al queda

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Cyberai:

mchou, whatever you get, make sure it has good linux support for a graceful shutdown signal if the battery exhausts. And test the hell out of it once you get it before trusting it.

[13:35:21]

mchou:

Cyberai: how long to the batteries last on those (real life)?

[13:35:21]

asd26:

why did bush decide on 9 11 for his government sponsored terrorist attack?

[13:35:28]

D-side:

Beirdo: psst.

[13:35:31]

Beirdo:

asd26, shut it

[13:35:37]

D-side:

paging dr martin

[13:35:41]

D-side:

someone needs a boot in the ass

[13:35:42]

Cyberai:

I'm in the process of rebuilding my mythbox now because my power went out and my HD got foobarred beyond FSCK.

[13:35:42]

mchou:

Cyberai: run time....

[13:35:52]

Cyberai:

mchou, maybe a half hour, hour max.

[13:36:02]

mchou:

Cyberai: dor 350???

[13:36:05]

mchou:

for*

[13:36:13]

mchou:

Cyberai: no way

[13:36:23]

Beirdo:

depends on load

[13:36:33]

Cyberai:

mchou, it costs $75, not $350

[13:36:37]

Cyberai:

it's a CS350

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mchou:

Cyberai: you got a laptop hooked up to that ting? :)

[13:36:55]

Cyberai:

if all that's on it is the PC, youc an get away with it

[13:36:55]

mchou:

Cyberai: no, I meant 1 hr on 350VA

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Cyberai:

aha

[13:37:12]

Cyberai:

well, I did say max

[13:37:23]

Cyberai:

:)

[13:37:30]

Cyberai:

I'd expect 30 mins or so

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mchou:

Cyberai: I dout 350 last more than 10 minutes

[13:37:43]

mchou:

doubt*

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asd26:

http://www.misterpoll.com/results.mpl?id=441658657 truth of life

[13:38:04]

Cyberai:

mchou, I might get better life than most because I tweak out my systems and shut off everything I can

[13:38:15]

Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o Beirdo

[13:38:21]

Cyberai:

and I run my myth on a mini-atx

[13:38:27]

mchou:

I smell a ban coming on

[13:38:52]

mchou:

or is it a gag?

[13:38:56]

D-side:

here here

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D-side:

whatever shuts it up

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Cyberai:

i'm confused

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asd26:

hail

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Mode for #mythtv-users by Beirdo!n=gjhurlbu@unaffiliated/beirdo : +b *!n=tempman2@dsl-124-149-123-11.nsw.westnet.com.au

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asd26 has been kicked from #mythtv-users by Beirdo!n=gjhurlbu@unaffiliated/beirdo (Beirdo)

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Beirdo:

dumbass--

[13:40:02]

mchou:

damn beirdo!

[13:40:14]

Beirdo:

remind me to undo that later

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Cyberai:

wow, what was that about?

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mchou:

you coulda just gagged him

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Cyberai:

oh, I just looked at his link, now I get it

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scopeuk:

well remind yo ufi we remember or ifthe channel gets too quiet

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Beirdo:

yeah

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LabMonkey:

Hi folks, anyone setup a HTPC in a CoolerMaster CM-260 case?

[13:41:17]

Beirdo:

I'll give him a chance if he can behave, but on a real short leash

[13:41:20]

Cyberai:

ROFL, from the part of his link that said "truth of life" I thought he was posint a helpful link showing real world battery life stats....

[13:41:48]

scopeuk:

LabMonkey i belvie oen of my friends brought one then foud nhis tv card whouldent fit and the pci riser card interfered with the psu

[13:41:53]

Mode for #mythtv-users by Beirdo!n=gjhurlbu@unaffiliated/beirdo : -o Beirdo

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LabMonkey:

hmm

[13:42:02]

LabMonkey:

well

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LabMonkey:

mine comes in today

[13:42:10]

scopeuk:

jsut double checkignthe modle

[13:42:13]

scopeuk:

model*

[13:42:23]

scopeuk:

was a diferent model

[13:42:23]

LabMonkey:

was thinking about doing a write-up on it

[13:42:30]

scopeuk:

go for it

[13:42:31]

LabMonkey:

with pictures etc

[13:42:37]

Cyberai:

anywho.... Could anyone here tell me why my mythbox is doing this? When I go to watch TV, all I get is a blank screen and then mythfrontend dies.

[13:42:52]

LabMonkey:

I've got the VFD/IR module for it too

[13:43:02]

Beirdo:

Cyberai, try turning on mythfrontend's logging and see what it says

[13:43:22]

LabMonkey:

and a happage 500 :D

[13:43:24]

Beirdo:

something's causing it to die by the sounds of it

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Cyberai:

is that a -v?

[13:43:25]

LabMonkey:

hauppage*

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Beirdo:

I think so

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Beirdo:

not sure

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Beirdo:

been a while since I had to do that :)

[13:45:01]

Beirdo:

and my PVR's still in the box since moving

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mchou:

Beirdo: no kidding?

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mchou:

Beirdo: you're lucky TV season is over

[13:45:59]

LabMonkey:

mchou: new stuff starts on SciFi next month

[13:46:05]

LabMonkey:

well... new seasons

[13:46:12]

LabMonkey:

<--- Stargate fan

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mchou:

bah, who watches SciFi

[13:46:25]

** LabMonkey does. **

[13:46:40]

Beirdo:

well, we only have one cable box right now

[13:46:41]

Beirdo:

and it's in the bedroom

[13:46:46]

Cyberai:

<-- BattleStar Galactica fan

[13:46:48]

Beirdo:

need to buy an IR transmitter or get a better cable box with firewire

[13:46:49]

mchou:

SciFi has some lame shows like BSG and Stargate

[13:46:50]

scopeuk:

LabMonkey stargate atlantis season 3 starts next moneth?

[13:46:53]

LabMonkey:

yeah I dig BSG too

[13:46:55]

scopeuk:

month*

[13:46:59]

Beirdo:

but Liberty Cablevision dumbass said "what's firewire"

[13:47:12]

LabMonkey:

scopeuk: sg-1 and atlantis new seasons premier 14 July

[13:47:13]

Beirdo:

and I don't feel like paying for HDTV to force them to give me a firewire box

[13:47:15]

mchou:

Beirdo: lol

[13:47:22]

mchou:

Beirdo: that's PR for ya

[13:47:25]

LabMonkey:

BSG doesn't start until October

[13:47:39]

Beirdo:

yeah well, they are still subject to FCC rules

[13:47:47]

scopeuk:

not a bsg fan but i liek stargate

[13:48:02]

mchou:

Beirdo: how much they carge for HDTV STB?

[13:48:02]

LabMonkey:

crappy thing is I think my cable co. compresses their signal too much

[13:48:09]

mchou:

charge*

[13:48:14]

Beirdo:

too much

[13:48:21]

LabMonkey:

it's tolerable quality, but it could be a LOT better... even for standard def.

[13:48:27]

LabMonkey:

and analog

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mchou:

Beirdo: more than $10/mo?

[13:48:50]

LabMonkey:

in a few months we'll see about HD satellite

[13:48:52]

Beirdo:

heh

[13:48:52]

Beirdo:

like $16/month extra or so

[13:48:52]

Beirdo:

on top of the $30/month for "basic" digital cable

[13:49:00]

Beirdo:

yes, more than $10

[13:49:05]

mchou:

Beirdo: damn

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LabMonkey:

hah

[13:49:13]

Beirdo:

and for almost no channels

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LabMonkey:

my cable bill is like $75/mo

[13:49:32]

Beirdo:

and I HATE them as an ISP

[13:49:36]

Beirdo:

they filter TCP/6667

[13:49:39]

LabMonkey:

heh

[13:49:43]

LabMonkey:

use ssl

[13:49:45]

mchou:

Beirdo: why get cable at all then. Just use ATSC with Air2pc

[13:49:56]

Beirdo:

and didn't put in ANY reverse DNS

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Cyberai:

mchou, my power here just blinked, and my PC (ubuntu dapper) just popped up and alert box teling me I was on battery.

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Beirdo:

because then I get ONE crappy Spanish station

[13:50:09]

LabMonkey:

dude that's crazy

[13:50:12]

LabMonkey:

where do you live?

[13:50:19]

mchou:

Cyberai: heh

[13:50:20]

Cyberai:

man, I couldn't have planned that

[13:50:29]

Beirdo:

Puerto Rico, and this cable provider is insanely stupid

[13:50:34]

LabMonkey:

oh

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LabMonkey:

well I dunno anything about PR

[13:50:49]

Beirdo:

and I don't feel like arguing with them right now

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mchou:

Beirdo: PR dont like to be called Stupid :)

[13:51:18]

Beirdo:

meh

[13:51:22]

mchou:

Beirdo: it's a stereotype

[13:51:32]

Beirdo:

stupid is as stupid does, and Liberty's fuckin retarded

[13:51:39]

mchou:

haha

[13:52:03]

Beirdo:

no matter where you go, cable providers suck

[13:52:03]

Cyberai:

Beirdo, BWAHAHA

[13:52:08]

mchou:

Beirdo: lemme know when Liberty runs across US :)

[13:52:09]

Cyberai:

mine's not bad

[13:52:22]

LabMonkey:

I'm on dsl...

[13:52:23]

scopeuk:

Cyberai you obviously havent had it long enough ;-)

[13:52:30]

LabMonkey:

don't really have much experience with cable

[13:52:38]

Beirdo:

mchou, not likely to happen any time soon, thankfully

[13:52:48]

Cyberai:

I called tech support once and they guy there told me they don't officially support linux, then he proceded to help me anyway because he runs it at home :)

[13:52:56]

scopeuk:

all cable here my isp have a thing about lettingthe dns servers die for 4 – 5 hous ata time every cupple of months

[13:52:56]

Beirdo:

I'm just hoping another company buys their dumbass company

[13:53:03]

Cyberai:

scopeuk, about 6 years

[13:53:04]

mchou:

Beirdo: lol

[13:53:05]

LabMonkey:

Cyberai: that's pretty common

[13:53:19]

LabMonkey:

well... not common that everyone in the call center knows anything about linux

[13:53:30]

Cyberai:

I've had your typical cable problems, but they are pretty good about service/support

[13:53:34]

mchou:

Beirdo: there is always a worse road than the one you're currently on :)

[13:53:38]

LabMonkey:

but it's common to have at least one or two people that do and they help you anyway

[13:54:10]

mchou:

Cyberai: you should have asked "you run myth too?" :)

[13:54:11]

LabMonkey:

what I hate is when they know about 1/1000th of what I do and they try to help me by telling me to do stupid stuff that would only make the problem worse

[13:54:37]

Beirdo:

mchou, undoubtedly

[13:55:25]

LabMonkey:

oh uhm

[13:55:30]

LabMonkey:

mythtv question

[13:55:37]

LabMonkey:

so I'm building this htpc today

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LabMonkey:

all going to be on one box for now

[13:55:59]

LabMonkey:

but my file server and db server will soon be finished with a hardware upgrade

[13:56:05]

mchou:

LabMonkey: Consolidation is good

[13:56:18]

LabMonkey:

so I'll want to move the mysql backend stuff to that machine once it's done

[13:56:25]

Cyberai:

mchou, LOLZ

[13:56:27]

LabMonkey:

is this difficult?

[13:56:41]

mchou:

LabMonkey: there is no difficulty

[13:57:06]

LabMonkey:

I can just dump my db to a file and read it into the other machine, I know

[13:57:13]

scopeuk:

i like the have you cheacked the computer for spyware/malware have you tried it in safe mode have you tried restarting the computer pre written script tech support give my dad when he rings

[13:57:14]

scopeuk:

i dont have that many hours spare to sit an lissten to amoron

[13:57:14]

Beirdo:

hehe, you'd rather listen to morons here

[13:57:14]

scopeuk:

here i can minimise and go away

[13:57:14]

Beirdo:

true nuff

[13:57:20]

Cyberai:

has anyone here ever run mythfrontend on a system connecting to a backend via 56g wireless? Is the performance acceptable?

[13:57:24]

LabMonkey:

but I'm concerned about problems cropping up in mythtvbackend

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mchou:

LabMonkey: you dont even have to do that

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scopeuk:

Cyberai it apparently works ok with sd if you have good signal

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scopeuk:

but poor signal or hd forget about it

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mchou:

heh, jonK, I've been looking for you

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jonK:

that makes me feel special

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mchou:

jonK: lol

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Cyberai:

scopeuk, well I dont have hd, and I have yet to get my wireless working on my mythbox, so we will see

[13:58:32]

jonK:

and kind of tingly all over

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jonK:

how may I assist you sir?

[13:58:55]

Beirdo:

run away!

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Beirdo:

hehe

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mchou:

jonK: you have a gigabyte mobo, correct?

[13:59:14]

jonK:

whatever beach boy

[13:59:19]

jonK:

yes, yes I do

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mchou:

jonK: dos that come with firewire on board?

[13:59:46]

mchou:

does*

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jonK:

it did not

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mchou:

doh!

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jonK:

i think i traded having 5 pci slots for firewire

[14:00:11]

mchou:

jonK: has it worked out for you though?

[14:00:33]

mchou:

jonK: 5 pci slots aint enough :)

[14:00:51]

jonK:

I finally got around to building lirc/ivtv/mythtv on it in the last couple days

[14:01:00]

mchou:

jonK: lol

[14:01:06]

mchou:

jonK: you lame

[14:01:09]

jonK:

all seemed to compile fime, but have not plugged in the cards yet

[14:01:23]

mchou:

jonK: I though you'd be done long ago

[14:01:29]

mchou:

thought*

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mchou:

jonK: enough to figure out all the warts :)

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mrnice23:

hi myth users out there

[14:04:21]

Cyberai:

well, I jsut ran "mythfrontend -v all -l log.txt", all I got was a black screen, I had to kill it from the console. The last entry in the log was "write->11 21 MYTH_PROTO_VERSION 15:"

[14:04:32]

Cyberai:

does that help Beirdo

[14:04:34]

Cyberai:

?

[14:04:37]

mrnice23:

does somebody know if its possible to use ivtv mpeg encoding to compress streams from webcam ?

[14:04:47]

Beirdo:

weird.

[14:04:58]

mchou:

Cyberai: that means you have an olde vesion of myth somewhere

[14:05:11]

Cyberai:

yeah, but I double checked them all and it's all .18

[14:05:26]

Cyberai:

I read that in a couple of internet posts

[14:05:26]

juski:

ubuntu?

[14:05:30]

Cyberai:

yes, ubuntu

[14:05:40]

Cyberai:

please tell me you know the answer to this

[14:05:42]

juski:

why am I not surprised?

[14:06:03]

Cyberai:

lol

[14:06:15]

juski:

if you use the standard packages that synaptic finds, there's a bunch of different versions...

[14:06:43]

jonK:

actually, another problem started creeping up on the old system that spurred me to work on the new one.

[14:06:49]

Cyberai:

I used to run it on fedora core 4, but setting up the hardware literally took weeks. ubuntu had the hardware up and going in about an hour. I'm just struggling with the mythtv setup.

[14:06:59]

juski:

better to change your sources list & get 'unofficial' packages

[14:07:04]

Cyberai:

ah

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juski:

e.g. thehunter.ws if it's up

[14:07:17]

jonK:

the first recorder (a pvr350) is losing audio at an apparently random time interval the first time it begins recording something

[14:07:20]

juski:

a big IF lately

[14:07:20]

Cyberai:

I might look around for the .19 versions, I heard they are out there

[14:07:21]

Beirdo:

that shouldn't cause a hang though

[14:07:21]

Beirdo:

maybe it's an xvmc issue or something

[14:07:59]

jonK:

I tried upgrading from ivtv 3.6 to 4.5 — which now allows me to use all 5 tuners (1x350, 2x500) where before I could only use 4

[14:08:03]

juski:

heh xvmx & ubuntu don't go too well initially.. problems with their wrapper or a config file in /etc/X11

[14:08:03]

Cyberai:

well, if it helps to know this.. I can pipe /dev/video0 into mplayer and I can see video

[14:08:26]

jonK:

but first card still loses audio

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D-side:

oh?

[14:09:24]

D-side:

juski: are you talking about non-nvidia ubuntu set ups?

[14:09:47]

D-side:

once i got the 0.19 repo from laga, i had no problems

[14:09:56]

Cyberai:

I am using nvidia, a 5200

[14:10:09]

D-side:

maybe i just havent been paying close enough attention. :)

[14:10:11]

Cyberai:

D-side, is laga a good place to get it?

[14:10:18]

juski:

D-side: nvidia xvmc setup in ubuntu

[14:10:24]

Cyberai:

D-side, do you have a url?

[14:10:32]

jonK:

mchou? any thoughts?

[14:10:52]

jonK:

and Bierdo: do I understand you;ve landed in puerto rico?

[14:11:16]

D-side:

juski: whats the actual issue with it? i've played back live tv and recordings, and havent noticed any issues. other than that, i'm pretty easy to please

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D-side:

Cyberai: deb http://hamsta.net/mythtv/files/dapper ./

[14:11:54]

D-side:

Cyberai: add that to your sources.list

[14:12:00]

D-side:

it'll add an unofficial 0.19 source.

[14:12:13]

Cyberai:

D-side, sweetness

[14:14:27]

nasa:

Could anyone fill me in on how to use the Logitech Harmony 628 with myth?

[14:16:08]

jonK:

do you have it running with lirc?

[14:17:15]

nasa:

jonK: I am looking at buying one... Just wanted to make sure it will work

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scopeuk:

wow 127 users gone on a net split

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scopeuk:

impresive

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kleptophobiac2:

anyone here know what they're doing with the asoundrc?

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nero:

kleptophobiac2, I only know enough to really screw things up.. ;)

[14:34:03]

kleptophobiac2:

heh, I think that's about where we all are. :p

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kleptophobiac2:

what I want to do, is create a new mixer that controls several output channels

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kleptophobiac2:

because i have an SB live 5.1, and the master mixer only controls the front speakers

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kleptophobiac2:

which is unacceptable

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nero:

you dont want me to help then.. ;) I have an SB Live 5.1 as well, and when I finally got everything working, it was as if the 2nd coming of the messiah had occured.. (in otherwords, I got REAL lucky that something I did, finally got SPDIF working) ;)

[14:36:15]

nasa:

so anyone know about the harmony?

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kleptophobiac2:

haha, I'm not using SPDIF – just analog out

[14:36:41]

kleptophobiac2:

nasa – i've never touched a harmony

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nasa:

it looks like a nice remote....

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nero:

kleptophobiac2, use SPDIF- its worth paying whatever for a receiver, just to make ALSA easier to configure.

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nero:

nasa, the Harmony is nice.. I have played with one.. you can use learning any button (IIRC), and it is definitely slick..

[14:38:45]

nero:

a bit pricy though.

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jonK:

i couldn't find a lirc.conf file specifically for the 628, but that doesnt't mean much. I did find one for the 655, and you could proabably use/modify that one.

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kleptophobiac2:

I prefer irrecord

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kleptophobiac2:

just make your own

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nero:

jonK, or you could easily make your own..

[14:39:18]

kleptophobiac2:

doesn't take long

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nasa:

nero: its like $48 at newegg.com

[14:39:37]

nero:

or, even better, if you have an ir keyboard, just learn keys directly to the remote and not mess with lirc.

[14:39:53]

nero:

nasa, ahh.. I was thinking of the 880, or whever the bajillion dollar one is.

[14:40:25]

nasa:

yeah, can't spend a bajillion

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kleptophobiac2:

i use a radioshack $18.99 IR remote

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kleptophobiac2:

any button learning too

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kleptophobiac2:

:p

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nero:

the ratshack remote learns any button?

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nero:

nice.. I might ahve to look into that.. although my new directv receiver came with a pretty nice remote i am using for now..

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jonK:

I am using the ATI firefly and have liked it.

[14:44:23]

nasa:

one slightly different question: I have my mythbox built with a 754 socket — is any processor for it powerful enough to do 1080i without xvmc?

[14:44:46]

Dibblah:

No.

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kleptophobiac2:

you'll want 2+GHz

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kleptophobiac2:

it takes a pretty beefy CPU to do 1080i

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mjmac:

hi all... my mythbox lost its myth drive, so i had to install new drives (bigger, faster, better!)... that's all fine, it's recording new shows. however, i have all these db pointers to nonexistent media files. is there an "official" way to nuke them all, or should i write a script to massage the db?

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nero:

where does one get a "myth drive"?? ;)

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mjmac:

pedant. :P "the drive i had dedicated to mythweb recordings"

[14:50:05]

mjmac:

er, mythtv

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mjmac:

damn it

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Cyberai:

is there a command to force myth to run in a window instead of taking over the screen?

[14:51:49]

nasa:

so a sempron 3300+ wouldn't do it?

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jams:

Cyberai- yes

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Cyberai:

jams, and it would beeeee?

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Cyberai:

because the man files arent helping

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jams:

several ways todo it, but the quickest way would be the command line

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jams:

for examples try mythfrontend --help

[14:54:53]

jams:

you want the geometry setting

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Cyberai:

ah, ok

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scopeuk:

oh yeh ican remmeber playing with those so half of setup dident disapear when iopened a reote x sesion

[14:59:45]

scopeuk:

im startign to question weather i should be using myth seams a tad over kill for what im doing atm

[14:59:54]

scopeuk:

kindabassed on the fact it currently ahs no arial

[15:06:01]

Cyberai:

ok, can anyone tell me why I get the message "glibc detected – double-liked list" and then mythfrontend crashes when I try to go to the guide in "schedule recordings"?

[15:09:31]

hashbang:

Cyberai: looks like you've found a bug in mythfrontend

[15:09:43]

hashbang:

Cyberai: report the exact error message via the mythtv trac

[15:09:58]

hashbang:

Cyberai: in the meantime, see if mythfrontend runs OK using;

[15:10:05]

hashbang:

MALLOC_CHECK=0 mythfrontend

[15:11:41]

Cyberai:

hashbang, nope, same error

[15:11:50]

Cyberai:

I'm running version 0.19 on ubuntu

[15:11:54]

Cyberai:

I'm running version 0.19 on ubuntu dapper

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hashbang:

*** glibc detected *** corrupted double-linked list <-- is that the exact error?

[15:12:48]

hashbang:

Cyberai: oh, and run memtest86+ on your machine overnight.

[15:13:13]

hashbang:

Cyberai: oh, and you're not overclocking, I hope?

[15:13:17]

Cyberai:

what does it do?

[15:13:21]

Cyberai:

no, no overclocking

[15:13:33]

hashbang:

Cyberai: memtest86? checks that your memory is good.

[15:13:54]

hashbang:

Cyberai: if it's not, then all bets are off. :-)

[15:13:59]

Cyberai:

im not finding it on my system

[15:14:11]

Hoxzer:

btw did u guys know that juski was dj?

[15:14:26]

hashbang:

Cyberai: it's probably a boot option from the ubuntu installation CD. It is on RH/FC, anyway.

[15:14:31]

Cyberai:

well, I doubt that's it, because this was a running mythtv system until last friday when a power outage boogered a hd. I'm rebuilding on the same hardware.

[15:14:47]

Cyberai:

and I didn't get this error under 0.18

[15:14:58]

hashbang:

Cyberai: well, depending on the outage it could have damaged HW.

[15:15:11]

hashbang:

Cyberai: also 0.19 will have different access patterns to 0.18

[15:15:24]

Cyberai:

do I need to upgrade to mysql 5?

[15:15:36]

hashbang:

Cyberai: IIRC, MythTV doesn't work with mysql 5

[15:15:39]

juski:

Hoxzer: nobody cares, see? :-P

[15:16:00]

Cyberai:

ok

[15:16:21]

juski:

hashbang: I thought it'd been fixed for that. it's qt4 which is the big no-no

[15:16:30]

Cyberai:

well, I had a bad experience sat trying to run 0.18 with mysql5 and determined it didn't work. But I thought maybe 0.19 did.

[15:16:35]

hashbang:

juski: oh, OK, I sit corrected. :-)

[15:16:44]

Hoxzer:

juski: if I was a DJ and somebody would found out it in school everybody would be like "WHooo, he isn't really that unsocial autetic nerd I was thinking about"

[15:16:54]

Hoxzer:

And then girls would use me ;)

[15:17:16]

Hoxzer:

nowdays girls in my school are like "geez, that nerd is looking my ASS again >:/"

[15:17:22]

juski:

I had my own little pirate radio station when I was at school. didn't stop me getting kicked around the yard

[15:17:39]

Hoxzer:

oh

[15:17:41]

Hoxzer:

ok

[15:17:48]

juski:

Hoxzer: so keep it in your pants when you look at them next time

[15:17:48]

Hoxzer:

nobody bullies me

[15:18:07]

Hoxzer:

but but

[15:18:22]

Hoxzer:

there was one girl looking at me ... last year

[15:18:27]

Cyberai:

hashbang, you might say "DUH!" to this, but would the fact that I'm trying to do this over VNC be interfering with the sytems ability to show the guide or tv?

[15:18:37]

Hoxzer:

but everytime he was near mmy dick just "got up"

[15:18:41]

juski:

Cyberai: totally

[15:18:43]

Hoxzer:

so I could stand while she was near

[15:18:44]

Hoxzer:

:/

[15:18:50]

juski:

Hoxzer: too much information

[15:18:52]

Hoxzer:

baad I think

[15:18:55]

Hoxzer:

:D

[15:19:18]

hashbang:

Hoxzer: /how/ old are you?

[15:19:28]

Cyberai:

juski, ah crap

[15:19:54]

Hoxzer:

[15:21:33]

juski:

Cyberai: though the guide _should_ work I think

[15:21:46]

Cyberai:

Hoxzer, just wait. I was that guy in high school and college, then I got in the gym at 33 and started bodybuilding, in a fantasic coincidence I also "grew into my looks" as they say around here, at the same time.

[15:21:55]

juski:

but anything relying on Xv won't be sent over vnc

[15:22:13]

Cyberai:

I seriously have my pick of girls now

[15:22:33]

juski:

anyway it's like I said before – get too hung up on it & you'll get _nowhere_

[15:22:44]

Hoxzer:

Cyberai: here in finland we go army to do that not to gym -_-

[15:23:17]

juski:

no wonder the Finnish suicide rate is so high if everyone's so uptight

[15:23:33]

juski:

or is it Norway with the highest suicide rate? I can never remember

[15:23:52]

kleptophobiac2:

in think it's finland

[15:23:58]

Hoxzer:

:D

[15:24:08]

kleptophobiac2:

but the nordic suicide rate is quite elevated compared to the rest of the world

[15:24:08]

Cyberai:

it's finland, it's because of the 6 months of twilight

[15:24:13]

Hoxzer:

yeah, our suicide rate is pretty high

[15:24:16]

Cyberai:

I'd go batshit there too

[15:24:25]

Hoxzer:

but it is because of the social type

[15:24:33]

kleptophobiac2:

eh, it's easy enough to go batty here in the US as well

[15:24:37]

Hoxzer:

like if you are not pro in something nobody respects u ...

[15:24:52]

Hoxzer:

like there is no such thing as "just a friend"

[15:24:52]

kleptophobiac2:

for example?

[15:25:15]

Hoxzer:

for example if you are a nerd but u dont do maths well U can't get laid

[15:25:35]

Hoxzer:

and if u can't get laid

[15:25:41]

kleptophobiac2:

higher suicide rate!

[15:25:49]

kleptophobiac2:

:p

[15:25:53]

Beirdo:

nerds get laid? haha!

[15:25:55]

Hoxzer:

nobody wants to party with u beucause then they think .ö... they can't laid because of u

[15:26:13]

kleptophobiac2:

yeah, around here the nerds just accept lifelong celibacy

[15:26:18]

Hoxzer:

Beirdo: in my school .... actually if u do well at school -> u get girls

[15:26:27]

Beirdo:

geeks, well, we get laid

[15:26:34]

Beirdo:

but not nerds

[15:26:35]

Hoxzer:

but I hbave terrible sleeping problems so ... I can't do so well

[15:26:35]

Beirdo:

heh

[15:27:01]

Cyberai:

in USA you take off shirt and show 6 pack = laid

[15:27:07]

Hoxzer:

:D

[15:27:10]

kleptophobiac2:

basically

[15:27:15]

Beirdo:

meh

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Aid`:

show six pack of mountain dew?

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juski:

in UK, take off your shirt & reveal a whole keg == laid.. they like the beer

[15:27:38]

kleptophobiac2:

no, that six pack negates the other one

[15:27:48]

hashbang:

juski: I thought it was Sweden. At the Gates have a song about it, certainly ('Suicide Nation')

[15:27:53]

Hoxzer:

:D If I shown my six pack -> everybody would go away

[15:28:04]

Cyberai:

I was dating this totally hot girl last year and couldn't get in her pants to save my life, then one day I had to help my dad dig out a ditch in the backyard and she was there. I took off my shirt – that night she took ME to a hotel.

[15:28:25]

kleptophobiac2:

mmhmm

[15:28:46]

kleptophobiac2:

online everyone is 6'4", 200lbs, and as tough as chuck norris

[15:28:51]

Cyberai:

it's a sad sad thing that I have to live in the gym to get any play

[15:29:27]

Cyberai:

kleptophobiac2, I'm only 5'6", 190lbs

[15:29:29]

juski:

some folks have a longer road to enlightenment than the rest of us

[15:29:30]

Hoxzer:

BUy AB-Tronic!

[15:29:31]

Beirdo:

200lbs?

[15:29:32]

Hoxzer:

:D

[15:29:34]

Beirdo:

in my dreams

[15:29:44]

scopeuk:

i jsut decided it was easier not to fuss about it

[15:29:54]

Cyberai:

when I got out of college I weighed 128lbs

[15:29:54]

hashbang:

juski: no, in the UK, diss your teachers, smoke crack, wear Burberry and you get laid, surely?

[15:29:57]

scopeuk:

someone decides they like me fine but im not going out of my way oto find a gf

[15:30:04]

scopeuk:

hell i dont have that much "free" time

[15:30:16]

Aid`:

Cyberai: im 6'1' and 145 lbs

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scopeuk:

hashbang you dont want the sort of girls that fidn that attractive

[15:30:24]

kleptophobiac2:

Aid` – if so, you're scrawny

[15:30:26]

scopeuk:

trust me on this one

[15:30:35]

Cyberai:

wow Aid` eat more meat dude

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Aid`:

i do

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hashbang:

scopeuk: I don't, no, but that's seems to be the most effective way to get laid, if that's all you care about.

[15:30:50]

Beirdo:

I'm like 2 Aid`s

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Aid`:

im a runner so thats probably why im so thin

[15:31:20]

kleptophobiac2:

ah

[15:31:26]

juski:

hashbang: apparently fucking is all teenagers have to do when they're not smoking crack, stealing cars or stabbing pensioners

[15:31:29]

scopeuk:

heh im 5 11 and 160 lbs

[15:31:31]

Cyberai:

oh cool Aid`

[15:31:32]

kleptophobiac2:

i've got a friend who's 6'1" and 135 lbs. He's a cross country runner

[15:31:36]

Cyberai:

HEY COOL AID

[15:31:39]

Cyberai:

lols

[15:31:48]

hashbang:

juski: oh, and drinking White Ace cider (59p/can bargain hunters!)

[15:31:51]

kleptophobiac2:

he's easy to break

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kleptophobiac2:

:p

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scopeuk:

heh and i eat 5 meals a day

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Aid`:

me too. i ran a half marathon too

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Aid`:

two of em

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Beirdo:

you guys suck

[15:32:20]

Cyberai:

I'm eating 5 meals a day right now to put on some mass, 4500 cals a day with 300g of protien

[15:32:29]

Cyberai:

im sick of eating, it's a damn chore

[15:32:29]

Beirdo:

160lbs?!

[15:32:34]

juski:

body fascists suck

[15:32:35]

kleptophobiac2:

Beirdo – don't worry, these guys are feather weights

[15:32:38]

Beirdo:

I weighed that in grade 6

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kleptophobiac2:

Beirdo, shucks took me to 7th grade to get there

[15:32:54]

Beirdo:

heh

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scopeuk:

beirdo like i say i eat 5 large meals a day im jsut hyperactve

[15:33:10]

Beirdo:

so go lie on the couch for a week or two

[15:33:18]

scopeuk:

i cycle 50 – 100 miles a week

[15:33:18]

Beirdo:

we'll fix you yet

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scopeuk:

lol

[15:33:32]

scopeuk:

heh i have my own alternative

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Cyberai:

scopeuk, as long as your healthy, dont worry about it

[15:33:49]

kleptophobiac2:

hey, what's a decent set of speakers? I'm no audiophile, so multithousand dollar kilowatt sets are definitely wasted on me

[15:33:49]

Aid`:

scopeuk: get out and run!!

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scopeuk:

it invole me a friend 800kcal of junk food and 16 horus of war craft 3

[15:34:00]

Cyberai:

in 6 weeks I'm gonna be a running/biking fool as I try to lean back out to get the 6 pack back

[15:34:14]

Aid`:

how did you lose it?

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mjmac:

gyms are for weenies. just use kettlebells

[15:34:26]

kleptophobiac2:

Aid` – probably drank it away

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Cyberai:

kleptophobiac2, you can't go wrong with harmon/kardon

[15:34:34]

kleptophobiac2:

alright

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scopeuk:

Cyberai cycling long distance of road is a grewat way to build muscle

[15:34:47]

kleptophobiac2:

i regularly bike 30 miles

[15:34:51]

kleptophobiac2:

but i'm still a fatas

[15:34:52]

kleptophobiac2:

*fatass

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juski:

keeping fit is for people who can afford to retire. if you die young you don't need a pension

[15:35:01]

Aid`:

how often kleptophobiac2

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scopeuk:

what sort of riding though

[15:35:08]

Cyberai:

scopeuk, I agree, but it's "Fast Twitch" fiber. Hasn't got a lot of size to it.

[15:35:11]

kleptophobiac2:

about once every two weeks, shorter rides between

[15:35:12]

Beirdo:

building muscle != losing weight

[15:35:26]

Beirdo:

I used to bike 10km to work, 10km home. every day

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kleptophobiac2:

i ride about 5–6 miles daily to work and bake

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kleptophobiac2:

*back

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Beirdo:

and never lost any weight

[15:35:44]

scopeuk:

you whouldent muscle ways more than fat

[15:35:46]

Cyberai:

well, biking doesn't burn many calories

[15:35:56]

Cyberai:

unfortunately

[15:35:58]

Beirdo:

10km at about 45km/h on a mountain bike

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Cyberai:

it's a great health exercise

[15:36:12]

scopeuk:

its the cardio

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Aid`:

Beirdo: not bad :P

[15:36:25]

Cyberai:

there's a great website called fitday.com, it's free and you can use it to track everything

[15:36:37]

scopeuk:

me and a friend regurly do 30 miles ofroad up hil down dale averagign 20 mph

[15:36:37]

Beirdo:

but I haven't done THAT for a little while

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kleptophobiac2:

anyway, i'm looking for a 5.1 set of speakers that preferably run on SPDIF

[15:36:49]

Beirdo:

and I'm around 300lbs

[15:36:50]

Beirdo:

heh

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Cyberai:

I started tracking calories burned on the diff machines at the gym and found the elliptical is what kicks ass

[15:37:17]

Aid`:

what exactly is the elliptical

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kleptophobiac2:

i'm 210lbs

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Cyberai:

you can burn 600 calories in like 40 mins

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mrnice23:

hi sombody knows if its possible to encode webcam stream with ivtv-encoder?

[15:37:33]

kleptophobiac2:

6'2"

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mjmac:

i do 45 minutes of kb workouts 3 times a week... no stupid gym/running. going to start training to pull a 24kg bell 200 times in 10 minutes. hope to be there in a year.

[15:37:45]

juski:

does anyone know where #mythtv-users went?

[15:37:56]

Beirdo:

mrnice23,: not likely

[15:38:02]

kleptophobiac2:

juski – yeah, to /dev/null

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Cyberai:

elliptical Aid` – http://www.nordictrack.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3 . . . cise+machine

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Aid`:

mjmac: running isn't stupid

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Beirdo:

ivtv is only for ivtv devices

[15:38:22]

mjmac:

Aid`: it is if you like your knees

[15:39:01]

mjmac:

well, i like my knees. and it's boring to me. but if you like it, i guess it's not stupid to you.

[15:39:02]

Cyberai:

elliptical basically gives you the benefits of running and cross country skiing at the same time

[15:39:08]

mrnice23:

Beirdo, mhm

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Cyberai:

plus, I get to watch a movie while I do it

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Cyberai:

cause I'm totally ADD and I need constant stimulation LOL

[15:39:36]

Aid`:

oh, i see what it is Cyberai

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LabMonkey:

and it's low-impact

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kleptophobiac2:

hmm, i missed what kills your knees?

[15:39:42]

LabMonkey:

so it's not hard on the joints

[15:39:55]

qu0zl:

Cyberai, i've got my treadmill infront of my mythtv box :) Beat that :P

[15:40:02]

Aid`:

yeah thats true

[15:40:02]

LabMonkey:

ooh

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Beirdo:

lying on the couch messing with your mythbox is good for your knees

[15:40:10]

kleptophobiac2:

I have super flat feet so running is sortof out of the question for me

[15:40:40]

Cyberai:

qu0zl, my gym has a full size movie theater with surround sound etc. But instead of seats there are treadmills, ellipticals, bike's etc...

[15:40:45]

Aid`:

kleptophobiac2: or you were just looking for an excuse? :P

[15:40:52]

LabMonkey:

uhm

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Cyberai:

I win

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Cyberai:

:)

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LabMonkey:

can mythtv tune into shoutcast?

[15:41:13]

qu0zl:

heh no way, mythtv > cinema as you cn watch what you want

[15:41:28]

kleptophobiac2:

Aid` – sure thing

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Beirdo:

hmmm, there's a mythstream or something like that that might help, LabMonkey

[15:41:42]

Aid`:

my gym has tons of trees. lots of dirt, animals and freshair

[15:41:47]

LabMonkey:

Beirdo: thanks

[15:41:48]

qu0zl:

anybody got the url of a small test mpeg4 file? I need to test some streaming stuff

[15:41:52]

Cyberai:

LabMonkey, I think the MythTuner plugin does that, I might not have the name right though

[15:42:03]

kleptophobiac2:

are there any plans for FM radio support for myth?

[15:42:10]

Cyberai:

LabMonkey, check the plugin lists

[15:42:10]

kleptophobiac2:

I'd really like to be able to listen to NPR in my house

[15:42:12]

Aid`:

kleptophobiac2: well i dont know if that makes any difference if you have Archs or not in your feet

[15:42:14]

LabMonkey:

will do

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Cyberai:

kleptophobiac2, MythRadio

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kleptophobiac2:

that still lives?

[15:42:26]

Beirdo:

not that I've heard of, kleptophobiac2, but if you are volunteering :)

[15:42:32]

Cyberai:

kleptophobiac2, I had it working

[15:42:42]

kleptophobiac2:

haha, I code for 8 bit microcontrollers

[15:42:56]

Beirdo:

that's more fun than Qt

[15:43:02]

kleptophobiac2:

it *is* fun

[15:43:11]

Aid`:

i use to program in visual basic

[15:43:23]

Cyberai:

I used to program in BASIC

[15:43:24]

kleptophobiac2:

yeah... so did i. that sucked

[15:43:29]

mjmac:

anyone know how to get dnsmasq to send 'next-server' ?

[15:43:43]

Beirdo:

mjmac, WTF is dnsmasq?

[15:43:49]

scopeuk:

god basic now that takes me back

[15:43:51]

kleptophobiac2:

dnsmasq is a dns/dhcp server

[15:43:59]

Cyberai:

"what do you have, and extra GOTO10 line?" <- Bender, Futurama

[15:44:01]

scopeuk:

only wrote in it a little on an old amstrad box

[15:44:06]

Aid`:

then I switched over to programmin gin JAVA

[15:44:27]

Cyberai:

10 SIN

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kleptophobiac2:

i started with basica, then qbasic, then visual basic. then I finally picked up C and java.

[15:44:32]

Cyberai:

20 GOTOHELL

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Cyberai:

Futurama – church of robotology

[15:45:12]

Aid`:

yeah java is a good language

[15:45:15]

Beirdo:

I like C better: while( have_gas ) { fart(); }

[15:45:23]

mjmac:

i'm migrating from isc dhcpd on my network, and want to get my mediamvp to pxeboot... need to send next-server. trying to figure out the dhcp-option number

[15:45:44]

Beirdo:

mjmac, you might want to find an appropriate channel for that support then

[15:45:53]

Aid`:

Beirdo: that would work in java too

[15:45:53]

kleptophobiac2:

Beirdo – that line would work fine in java too

[15:45:58]

Beirdo:

ISC dhcpd is the way to do it right :)

[15:45:59]

mjmac:

or is there a #mediamvp channel? figured it was peripherally related to myth

[15:46:06]

kleptophobiac2:

i'm using ISC, works fine

[15:46:28]

mjmac:

glad to hear it. i'm using openwrt, which comes with dnsmasq, not isc.

[15:46:29]

Beirdo:

so you only need the option number?

[15:46:59]

mjmac:

yep

[15:47:08]

Aid`:

anyone in here use RAID mdadm ?

[15:47:24]

mjmac:

yes

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mjmac:

just set up a raid 1 pair last night, actually

[15:48:12]

Aid`:

I am wondering how can i have it autocreate the array at start up, like make it put all the different drives into it

[15:48:56]

mjmac:

you have to mark your raid partitions as type 'fd' (raid autodetect)

[15:48:57]

kleptophobiac2:

sigh. why why why must both the PCM and master mixers both control the front two speakers

[15:49:18]

Aid`:

mdadm --create /dev/md1 --level=0 --raid-devices=2 /dev/hda1 /dev/hde1

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Aid`:

thats what i use and i'd like to beable to do it automatically, and not when X starts up

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kleptophobiac2:

anybody using analog out on an SB live 5.1?

[15:49:34]

mjmac:

that just creates the pair

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mjmac:

you don't do that to start it up

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Aid`:

then what do i do

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Beirdo:

mjmac, you can always setup ISC dhcpd and then tcpdump to find what it sent

[15:52:28]

Beirdo:

ethereal can decode it

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tank-man:

Aid`, when you used fdisk, pick auto raid (or someting like that) for partition type

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Aid`:

tank-man: to the array itself or the two drives?

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tank-man:

the partition

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mjmac:

Aid`: for each partition that will be in the array

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mjmac:

Aid`: which distro are you using?

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Aid`:

debian

[15:55:47]

mjmac:

debian what? sarge?

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Aid`:

yeah sarge, sorry

[15:57:03]

mjmac:

Ubuntu has /etc/rcS.d/S04mdadm-raid... that script just does a modprobe md, and then starts mdadm -A -s

[15:57:28]

mjmac:

doing a modprobe md will make the md? devices available

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mjmac:

if you've set the participating partition types correctly

[15:58:25]

mjmac:

when you create the arrays, it writes some stuff into the partition that lets the kernel know which array the partition is in

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Aid`:

okay so i goto fdisk /dev/hda1 and set that to raid then the other partition and then all i have to trun is modprobe md and it will work?

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Aid`:

because right now i dont have any file system it just says 'free space'

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mjmac:

actually... i'm a little off. you do also need the mdadm -A (assemble). thought that was just for monitoring.

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mjmac:

do you not have a mdadm init script?

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Aid`:

yeah ill look into this

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Aid`:

maybe i can get it to work somehow

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mjmac:

i doubt that's ubuntu-specific; it's almost certainly in vanilla debian as well

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Aid`:

nope, and thats what im looking into, a mdadm init

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mjmac:

Aid`: i can send you the init script from ubuntu, if you want it

[16:04:42]

mjmac:

surprised there isn't one for debian... would have thought it would be included in their mdadm package

[16:05:07]

Aid`:

ill brb

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Aid`:

i want to test something

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Mersault:

I've just finished rebuilding my mythtv box, but my channel lineup from zap2it seems to be a little messed up. Most of the channels are correct, but a handful of them are incorrect both in the channel id and the guide data for them. This is mostly a problem with channels that are in the lower end of my selection (2–18 basically) and a few at the upper end (60–71), with the ones in between being okay. Channels

[16:16:25]

Mersault:

Anyone have any ideas why the data from datadirect would be misleading? I have the freq set to us-cable.

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bluef0x:

like the guide is normal right now

[17:04:42]

bluef0x:

but im looking at it, and after tonight everything is off by like 4 hours

[17:05:42]

kormoc:

is day 14 off?

[17:05:58]

bluef0x:

this is the 2nd day

[17:06:01]

bluef0x:

so day 3+

[17:06:03]

bluef0x:

are all messed up

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kormoc:

did you check day 14?

[17:07:37]

kormoc:

whatever is the last day you have listing for?

[17:07:50]

bluef0x:

yeah its still wrong

[17:07:54]

bluef0x:

3-last day

[17:08:02]

bluef0x:

today and yesterday times are right

[17:08:48]

bluef0x:

i recorded stuff last night and this morning perfectly... but when i went to schedule recording for Conan O brien (should come on at 12:30 i think) it says it comes on at like 4am and 10am or something

[17:09:55]

bluef0x:

wait, day 14 might be correct

[17:10:00]

kormoc:

just that mythfilldatabase refreshes today and day 14, hence if the listings got fixed on zap2it's site, you'd see them right for today and day 14

[17:10:03]

bluef0x:

let me see what time its supposed to come on

[17:10:23]

kormoc:

and if that's the case, you can just tell mythfilldatabase to --refresh-all I beleive

[17:10:32]

bluef0x:

let me try that

[17:10:38]

bluef0x:

mythfilldatabase --refresh-all ?

[17:10:58]

kormoc:

I believe so, if it doesn't work, --help (or -h) should list all the options

[17:11:27]

bluef0x:

does it always do this?

[17:11:38]

kormoc:

not really

[17:11:53]

bluef0x:

k , think i need to change a few recordings then

[17:11:56]

bluef0x:

or will it update the time

[17:11:56]

kormoc:

it's happened to me once in over a year I think

[17:12:14]

kormoc:

it updates the time, as long as you did recording schedule based on show

[17:12:59]

bluef0x:

i think i did "record this timeslot every week"

[17:13:10]

bluef0x:

need to update that then

[17:13:10]

kormoc:

ooh, then it might not update it

[17:13:12]

kormoc:

yeah

[17:13:30]

bluef0x:

whats it mean when my subscription ends today?

[17:13:37]

kormoc:

you need to renew it

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bluef0x:

do i need to make a new zap2it acct every week?

[17:13:46]

kormoc:

no

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bluef0x:

how do you renew it

[17:13:48]

kormoc:

every 3 months

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kormoc:

via their website. labs.zap2it.com login, and there should be a renewal link there

[17:14:34]

kormoc:

just wondering, is the time on your computer set correctly?

[17:14:41]

bluef0x:

yes

[17:14:47]

bluef0x:

time zone is correct also

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kormoc:

fair nuff

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kormoc:

it's just usually hard to do at times, as there are two different clocks

[17:15:19]

bluef0x:

fixed it!

[17:15:21]

bluef0x:

thanks pal

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kormoc:

you're welcome

[17:15:37]

kormoc:

was it --refresh-all?

[17:15:40]

bluef0x:

yes

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kormoc:

nifty, I remembered right

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bluef0x:

:)

[17:15:54]

Hoxzer:

Tell me why do I always say GDE instead of KDE?

[17:16:17]

kormoc:

Gnome Desktop Env rather then K Desktop Env?

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speedsix:

Hi all

[17:17:21]

Hoxzer:

Hi my darling

[17:17:31]

Hoxzer:

are u chilling today?

[17:17:34]

speedsix:

Hi love

[17:17:37]

Hoxzer:

;)

[17:17:41]

speedsix:

yes I'm fine thanks for asking

[17:17:47]

Hoxzer:

:)

[17:17:53]

speedsix:

;)

[17:18:29]

bluef0x:

how do you change the time that pressing the arrow keys goes forward? right now if i press it, it goes forward like 30 seconds... i want it to be like 10

[17:18:31]

Hoxzer:

usually when I ask those people are like "WTF, fuckk off or do u wanna get banned lamer?"

[17:18:45]

kormoc:

bluef0x, it's in the setup somewhere

[17:19:00]

kormoc:

bluef0x, frontend -> settings -> somewhere else

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mjmac:

btw, the 'next-server/filename' equivalent for dnsmasq is --dhcp-boot=/filename,tftpname,tftpip, if anyone gives a rat's ass

[17:23:06]

xris:

hahaha...

[17:23:08]

xris:

!trout

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** MythLogBot dumps a bucket of trout onto xris **

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xris:

Beirdo: nice that you put that in

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Beirdo:

heheh

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Beirdo:

had to do it :)

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Beirdo:

fire ants suck ass

[17:24:38]

kormoc:

Ooh? I figured they just bit people...

[17:24:50]

Beirdo:

those little pricks really bite hard for their size

[17:25:00]

Beirdo:

one bit me on Saturday

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Beirdo:

my finger is STILL hurting

[17:25:32]

bluef0x:

luckily ive never even seen one :)

[17:25:37]

bluef0x:

where do you libe beirdo?

[17:25:45]

Beirdo:

Puerto Rico now

[17:26:03]

Beirdo:

our front lawn has ant issues :(

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kormoc:

Gas + Ants + Match == No Issues :P

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Beirdo:

boric acid works well

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Beirdo:

but then it is all gone, and the ants come back

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kormoc:

ahh, sucky

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speedsix:

magnifying glass is best, time consuming maybe

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Beirdo:

heh

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bluef0x:

anyone know a guide for this http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/directron_1900_1110808 remote?

[17:29:24]

Beirdo:

these little bastards' bites are more painful than a bee sting

[17:29:26]

speedsix:

am I being stupid again or does gstreamer completely suck

[17:30:26]

speedsix:

surely there's a way to get mplayer to use dvd menus?

[17:30:31]

kormoc:

bluef0x, I donno, you could always check the examples... http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . mple.mceusb2

[17:30:52]

kormoc:

speedsix, gstreamer is quite nice overall, and no, mplayer can't do dvd menus

[17:31:21]

speedsix:

kormoc, I like the idea but mine refuses to play pretty much ANYTHING

[17:31:41]

kormoc:

speedsix, http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/faq.html#id2545171

[17:31:47]

speedsix:

it has the ffmpeg plugin, yet doesn't play files I know ffmpeg handles. Which xine plays fine

[17:32:07]

kormoc:

how'd you compile gstreamer, and what version?

[17:32:07]

bluef0x:

what do i do with that file?

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speedsix:

ubuntu dapper 0.10 packages

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kormoc:

bluef0x, it's an example lircrc config for myth, read up on lirc on the wiki

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speedsix:

it's completely useless it seems

[17:32:42]

kormoc:

sucky

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speedsix:

yep

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Hoxzer:

Btw which DVD players is better ogle or Xine?

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kormoc:

I like xine myself

[17:33:50]

speedsix:

never tried ogle but I like xine

[17:33:58]

Beirdo:

I like Toshiba

[17:34:00]

Hoxzer:

me tooo but I haven't tried ogle

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Hoxzer:

Beirdo: :? lol

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Beirdo:

I have no desire to play DVDs on a computer to the TV when I have a DVD player :)

[17:34:59]

Hoxzer:

:( stand alone player

[17:35:18]

Hoxzer:

To be honest with Xine sometimes crashes with me if I rew too much

[17:35:29]

Hoxzer:

or "crashes

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Hoxzer:

it doesn't take any singals anymore

[17:35:50]

Hoxzer:

and then I have to do killall -9 xine via ssh

[17:35:59]

Hoxzer:

it sucks :/

[17:39:14]

Beirdo:

quality software

[17:40:22]

Hoxzer:

:/ yeah it is but I can't understand why does it crash

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kormoc:

gdb/strace

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speedsix:

does xine use it's own ffmpeg library?

[17:41:00]

Hoxzer:

Sry maan but I really dunno

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kormoc:

those tools can help you figure it out

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kormoc:

but you'd need to really want to learn about them and all that

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jasta:

yawn

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kormoc:

Mornin' Jasta

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alieas:

hello

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alieas:

I've been running my P4 3.0Ghz with a pcHDTV card for a few weeks and I have a couple of generic questions...

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alieas:

every 20 seconds or so, playback of HDTV will get ever-slightly choppy. Especially on camera pans... and it does this on 90% of SD content also. Is this typical for a pcHDTV card on a P4 3.0 ?

[18:02:25]

alieas:

when I hit escape to exit LiveTV, audio is killed and then the video plays perfectly for the 2 seconds before Myth exists

[18:02:41]

alieas:

I'm also running ext3, could this be a cause of the problem ?

[18:03:09]

alieas:

Or should I just be looking at a faster processor ?

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alieas:

I guess I should just try it on a different distro...

[18:08:18]

kormoc:

alieas, no, that's not typical. you should check to see if anything is eating up cpu/memory and similar

[18:12:04]

alieas:

kormoc: top shows my CPU running at 30 – 35 % when viewing ATSC... so I can't really believe that its hardware

[18:12:44]

alieas:

I wonder if its the signal strength. I'm decoding QAM usually at a 87% signal or thereabouts..

[18:16:34]

alieas:

Is there a way I can check for dropped frames?

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xris:

silly social networks

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gardengnome:

re

[18:57:04]

bradd:

i have a pvr350 and its been working fine for a while now..i just installed a pvr 500 and now i cant get any of the cards to work right in mythtv..i can watch tv on all of them using vlc/mplayer

[18:57:27]

bradd:

mythtv is reporting them as (currently not connected)

[18:58:07]

bradd:

anyone have any ideas?

[18:58:33]

bradd:

i have re-run mythtv-setup and all of that

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nosun:

anyone know any good programs for TV Tuners on windows

[18:59:15]

nosun:

just to capture video nothing else

[18:59:15]

nosun:

:p

[18:59:34]

kormoc:

google knows

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nosun:

no it don't;)

[19:00:06]

nosun:

I've tried WinDVR, ChrisTV and this one other one

[19:00:06]

gardengnome:

err.

[19:00:25]

kormoc:

http://www.google.com/search?q=windows+tv+capture+program

[19:00:32]

nosun:

WinTV PRV 150

[19:00:36]

gardengnome:

err.

[19:00:47]

gardengnome:

nosun: definitely the wrong channel.

[19:00:50]

kormoc:

of course, you could use what came with the card...

[19:01:09]

nosun:

I dunno where the damn cd is;)

[19:01:45]

kormoc:

welp, enjoy the google query, and you might want to check out #windows_pvrs or similar

[19:03:39]

nosun:

any of you know what usually comes iwht WinTV PVR 150?

[19:03:59]

kormoc:

check the website

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nosun:

thanx

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TomTheaint:

hello anyone willing to help a noob out with card selection?

[19:22:28]

bradd:

card selection as in what capture card to buy?

[19:22:33]

TomTheaint:

yea

[19:22:48]

TomTheaint:

i have one selected out what i think i want i just wanna make sure

[19:22:59]

bradd:

i use the hauppauge cards

[19:23:24]

TomTheaint:

yea thats what i was ganna choose

[19:23:30]

bradd:

pvr 350 and i just got a 500

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TomTheaint:

yea i want 500, do you like it?

[19:24:13]

bradd:

well..i actually JUST got my 500 about an hour ago

[19:24:17]

bradd:

still setting it up..

[19:24:17]

TomTheaint:

oh ok lol

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TomTheaint:

ok well let me know

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bradd:

the 350 works great though

[19:24:42]

TomTheaint:

yea, did you just upgrade for the 2 tuners in one ?

[19:24:50]

TomTheaint:

or is there more to it

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bradd:

well the 350 is 1 tuner..and i wanted 3..so i got a 500

[19:25:08]

TomTheaint:

lol nice

[19:25:24]

TomTheaint:

i found a site with it for 132 so i figured i would ask about it first

[19:25:28]

TomTheaint:

is that about what you paid?

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bradd:

yea i think so..138 on ebay

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TomTheaint:

ok cool

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bradd:

cool..the 500 seems to work..my box sees all 3 encoders now

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TomTheaint:

this will be so much nicer than my all in wonder 9600, thy made such crappy software for it

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TomTheaint:

good

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TomTheaint:

btw, does myth tv have picture in picture?

[19:27:05]

bradd:

mmm..not sure never tried it /looked into it

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bradd:

i believe so though

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TomTheaint:

yea that would be really nice

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TomTheaint:

well since you have 3 now you can use pip and record lol

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kayelem:

TomTheaint, yeah, p-in-p works fine here (pair of Hauppauge Nova-T DVB-T cards)

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bradd:

yup :)

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kayelem:

need another card, 2 tuners ain't enough...

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TomTheaint:

oh ok

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TomTheaint:

well i guess i will have to do that a lil later when i have more money

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kayelem:

that's just me, though – since setting up the Myth box I keep finding stuff to record

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TomTheaint:

thanks for the info though

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TomTheaint:

lol yea

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kayelem:

and when it's recording 2 shows I can't watch live tv atm.

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kayelem:

...this is what happens when I go from 5 channels to 30+ :-D

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TomTheaint:

lol

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TomTheaint:

did you just get cable or somthign?

[19:29:47]

kayelem:

UK – digital terrestrial TV, aka "FreeView"

[19:30:08]

kayelem:

just had the 5 analogue terrestrial channels before this

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TomTheaint:

oh wow i would go crazy with only 5 lol

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kayelem:

I remember there being just 3; I can remember the launch of channel 4 :)

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TomTheaint:

lol

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scopeuk:

i can remember when our arial was broken and there was no tv

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scopeuk:

shcok horror

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TomTheaint:

yea my girlfreind has like the expensive satilite with all the channels, she has hundreds lol

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TomTheaint:

i dont know how you could ever need that many

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kayelem:

probably don't...

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TomTheaint:

yea, but then you could get on the internet : )

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scopeuk:

TomTheaint we hve cable wit habout 250 channel

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kayelem:

though with a PVR; loads of channels would be good.

[19:32:05]

scopeuk:

of which we watch 3

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Hoxzer_:

TomTheaint: :e dont talk about girl friends when I'm present k?

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scopeuk:

and were only on the basic package

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kayelem:

Just set it to find and record stuff you like then only ever watch recordings when you like.

[19:32:24]

scopeuk:

Hoxzer_ your nto that much of a no hoper

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scopeuk:

kaylem if my boxwas up to scratchfor recordign cable i whould do

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TomTheaint:

lol ok

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TomTheaint:

yea

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Hoxzer_:

but I had this one girl at the school, -> and I wanted her -....

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Hoxzer_:

scopeuk: :DD but I got hard everytime she was near

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Hoxzer_:

scopeuk: so I couldn't hit her

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TomTheaint:

wow lol

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Hoxzer_:

scopeuk: and then swet all over

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TomTheaint:

so is this what you got bradd

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TomTheaint:

http://www.mwave.com/mwave/skusearch.hmx?&scriteria=3625260

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kayelem:

<shrug> I'll never understand why guys have these problems...

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bradd:

correct

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TomTheaint:

ok thanks i think i might order it now

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TomTheaint:

my work is thorowing out a bunch of old p3's i think i might take a couple home and see what will be the best canidate

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** kayelem runs a 2GHz Athlon XP box for MythTV; seems ok... **

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scopeuk:

tomimo old p3s are quite nice

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scopeuk:

ive got afriedn in the biz who throws me the hardware hes disposing of

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scopeuk:

so i got alot of p3 and socket 478 celerons lying round

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kayelem:

in spite of all the dire warnigs about VIA chipset boards I've had no problems with mine

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TomTheaint:

yea its nice working for companies with lots of computers lol

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TomTheaint:

nice

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TomTheaint:

good

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JustWilliam:

msn is dead

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TomTheaint:

i love taking sledge hammers to old pc's its very stress reliving

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scopeuk:

im on will

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scopeuk:

will try im.uk.bitlbee.org

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kayelem:

heh, I prefer to have old PC's working and doing something useful...

[19:37:16]

scopeuk:

you did log in earlier but you whent off before i coudl get intouch

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scopeuk:

kayelem same here

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kayelem:

something like 9 'puters running here

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scopeuk:

atm there are 5 on here

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TomTheaint:

lol yea but after long hours of coding somtimes its needed = )

[19:37:46]

scopeuk:

4 active desktops and my myth/server box

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kayelem:

even a 200MHz Pentium box is useful for something with Linux on.

[19:38:23]

scopeuk:

id say 200mhz id probably go for giantdisc

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TomTheaint:

yea i only have 3 in my room, i such to much power and the power goes out when i use the vacumm in my room

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kayelem:

house fileserver's a 400MHz K6–2 box with a Tb of disks attached.

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scopeuk:

nfs/smb mount the music folder on my mythbox

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TomTheaint:

nice

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scopeuk:

i dotn yet have a fiel server

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scopeuk:

kinda short on cash to go out an buy drives

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TomTheaint:

yea me neither

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kayelem:

don't exactly need much CPU power for an nfs server...

[19:39:02]

scopeuk:

proccesign boxes on the other hand i have a collection of

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TomTheaint:

it would be very convient to have though

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bradd:

later tom good luck buddy

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kayelem:

I just keep adding ATA133 PCI cards and more disks...

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TomTheaint:

well i do have my xbox as a media center now, does that count as a computer : |

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TomTheaint:

thanks a lot have a good day

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scopeuk:

TomTheaint yes

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TomTheaint:

sweet then i have 4 lol

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TomTheaint:

anyone else have the pvr-500?

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TomTheaint:

hhhmm i guess since i just bought it im ganna need a remote control, any suggestions?

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Cardoe:

http://rafb.net/paste/results/Tr7fzv11.html <- my new Myth box.

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scopeuk:

not bad

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Cardoe:

I wanna figure out what all that unknown crap is

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scopeuk:

look for mother board "features" that dont have a kernal modal assosiated with them

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JustWilliam:

something to do with pci cards

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scopeuk:

well spotted will ;-)

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scopeuk:

there just the pci ports

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scopeuk:

or atleast usign a pci bus to link to a mobo feature

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gardengnome:

re

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scopeuk:

either way unless its causing problems i wouldent worry too much

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JustWilliam:

it be the same in windows

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scopeuk:

seams a prety cmmone output google turned up lats of results

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scopeuk:

yeh it is

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Cardoe:

It's the new nForce chipsets' new PCI Express slots

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kormoc:

Cardoe, lcpci -vv shows more info

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TomTheaint:

ok im off now, have a good day, thanks for the help guys

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Cardoe:

yeah

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bluef0x:

anyone know whats going on?

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kormoc:

bluef0x, nah, you're gonna need to wait till marty the mindreader is here.

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mchou:

Cardoe: what mobo you end up getting?

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bluef0x:

kormoc: i explained the problem

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Cardoe:

mchou: K9N Ultra Platinum

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Cardoe:

from MSI

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Cardoe:

it's an nForce 570 Ultra chip

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Cardoe:

not SLI

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kormoc:

<bluef0x> anyone know whats going on?

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kormoc:

explained it really well I see

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bluef0x:

hmm it shows i typed two lines, here let me copy

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bluef0x:

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bluef0x:

<bluef0x> i edited all the channel names in mythtv-setup (So 10 would be ABC , etc) but it still says "10 Channel 10"

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bluef0x:

now any ideas? :D

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kormoc:

Heh, not really, but someone else might

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Beirdo:

did you try restarting the backend after you changed it?

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psymin:

Anyone using a Pinnacle 110i?

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mchou:

Cardoe: mind pastebinning your dmesg from your new rig? I'd like to take a look at that.

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xris:

psymin: what chipset?

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psymin:

xris: http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Pinnacle_PCTV_110i

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xris:

psymin: what trouble are you having?

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psymin:

xris: Well, the machine its installed in doesn't have an X server .. I'm probably missing something very obvious .. I try to retrieve data from the card and dump it to a file .. then ftp the file to another machine .. and I'm never able to get viewable data.

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xris:

psymin: huh? mythtv requires X

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psymin:

Well .. I have X on there now, I'm planning on using it for a mythtv backend .. but I don't have X configured for my display yet

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psymin:

so I've been doing everything remotely

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xris:

psymin: I don't think you can use a bttv card remotely like that

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psymin:

Hmm .. unfortunate.

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psymin:

I don't see why not ..

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xris:

could just install a frontend on your remote box

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xris:

psymin: the data is in some funky raw format...

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** psymin nods. **

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psymin:

I believe mplayer was capable of viewing that format

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kormoc:

only if it opens the device

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kormoc:

driver=v4l2:input=1:width=768:height=576:device=/dev/video0:audiorate=48000

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kormoc:

or similar

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Aid`:

i use mdadm to create the array of devices but how do i get it to mount correctly? When i mount it it says 'Ext2-fs warning: Mounting unchecked fs, running e2fsck is recommended

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kormoc:

why don't you unmount it and fsck it like it's asking you to do?

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Aid`:

i did ddddddddddddddd

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kormoc:

what are you mounting?

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Aid`:

/dev/md1 its a RAID-0 array

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kormoc:

and the output is exactly?

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xris:

Aid`: mdadm --detail /dev/md1 — and make sure it's actually ready to be mounted.

[20:35:33]

Aid`:

Ext2-fs warning: Mounting unchecked fs, running e2fsck is recommended

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kormoc:

good thought

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Aid`:

what should it say?

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kormoc:

State: clean

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Aid`:

it doesn't say state at all

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Aid`:

nm

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Aid`:

:)

[20:37:10]

Aid`:

State : clean

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Aid`:

yer its clean

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kormoc:

cat /proc/mdstat

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kormoc:

does it say it's syncing?

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Aid`:

says its active

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kormoc:

well then, how did you format the device?

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xris:

Aid`: did you set up the partition table on the raid device with fdisk, etc?

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kormoc:

xris, sadly you can't...

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kormoc:

well, you can, but it never populates

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xris:

kormoc: huh?

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xris:

what do you use to partition raid, then?

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kormoc:

you don't, you partition the drives and build seperate raid arrays for each partition

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xris:

ahh

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xris:

so it just assumes you're going to use some linux filesystem

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kormoc:

it doesn't care what filesystem you use, it's a vitrual device, and so it just knows it only will hold one at a time

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Aid`:

mke2fs /dev/md1

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kormoc:

Aid`, try this

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kormoc:

mke2fs -j -O dir_index /dev/md1

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Aid`:

well, i have a file on there that i can't really lose

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kormoc:

that makes it ext3, with the directory indexing

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xris:

Aid`: well what you pasted was a warning... it should still mount, no?

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kormoc:

well, then you need to figure out why the filesystem maintains that it's never been checked.

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mchou:

no need for that. Much safer to do dumpe2fs FIRST

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kormoc:

esp cause that doesn't really point to a very safe data storage point

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mchou:

kormoc: Dont be ridiculous. you dont "check" by mke2fs

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Aid`:

xris: yes but when i try to mount it using fstab it doesn't mount. its like it checks into fstab before it checks mdadm config file

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Aid`:

like when i startup is what i mean

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xris:

Aid`: odd

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kormoc:

all these strange distros

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xris:

mchou: kormoc can't hear you. you pissed him off too many times that he just ignores you.

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Aid`:

mke2fs -j -O dir_index /dev/md1 im gunna try that

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mchou:

xris: lol

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mchou:

xris: well, serves him right for giving bad advice all the time

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xris:

mchou: likewise

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gardengnome:

gee

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gardengnome:

:/

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Aid`:

its formatted, ill brb

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xris:

gardengnome: you use linkedin.com? I need a contact in germany. heh

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gardengnome:

xris: well, that wouldn't probably make much sense because i kinda lack.. education and stuff ;)

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kormoc:

Aid`, how's it workin now?

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Aid`:

it still had an error, i then tried remount as EXT2 and it works fine now

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Aid`:

cheers

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kormoc:

you really should be using ext3 with software raid, as the journal can help a lot in the event of say, a power outage

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Aid`:

now i have another problem-- my sounddoesn't work at startup

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Aid`:

like once everything is up i can do alsaconf and follow the instructions and it works but it doesn't otherwise

[21:01:21]

Aid`:

so in otherwords mythbackend doesn't work right when it starts up at boot

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b8zs:

anyone used an xbox as a frontend? I currently have gentoox on my box and just forwarded an x session from my backend to my xbox, then ran mythtv-setup. It is now asking me for what language but I cant select any of the options with my xbox controller. Any ideas?

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b8zs:

im thinking i need to re-compile mythv on my backend with joystick support, or the like

[21:05:34]

b8zs:

so it will recognize my xbox remote

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xris:

Aid`: what distro are you using, anyway?

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gardengnome:

b8zs: you'll also have to set up a config file for that, see configfiles/ inside the mythtv tarball

[21:06:30]

psymin:

b8zs: You could use a USB keyboard?

[21:06:51]

psymin:

b8zs: I got a USB dongle for Phantasy Star Online that worked in my gentoox setup.

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Aid`:

xris: debian sarge

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psymin:

b8zs: I believe there are also some tutorials on how to modify a controller to act as a USB hub.

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Aid`:

ah, xris iknow what i have to do, i have to remove the OSS drivers from starting up

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psymin:

b8zs: .. or .. you might be able to export your x display to a machine that has a keyboard?

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tank-man:

b8zs, setup lirc and use the xbox remote if you have it

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matthew_w:

Is there a way to make it so that I can both record and watch tv at the same time?

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matthew_w:

Because it tells me all video inputs are occupied, or something similar when I try

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tank-man:

get two tv tunners

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psymin:

matthew_w: If you are recording the same thing you are watching, you can do it with one tuner.

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matthew_w:

psymin; and if I want to record one channel, yet watch another?

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psymin:

matthew_w: Then I believe you'll need to take tank-man's advice and obtain an additional tuner.

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gardengnome:

will i need mtd if i just want to create lossless copies of my DVD?

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Anduin:

gardengnome: If you plan to use mtd to do it, yes.

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matthew_w:

psymin :(

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matthew_w:

Ok, thanks folks

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gardengnome:

Anduin: does mythdvd need mtd for lossless operation?

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Anduin:

gardengnome: Yes.

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gardengnome:

thanks.

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Aid`:

great now my sound wont work on mythtv, it works on a music player but it says it can't find /dev/dsp

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stuarta:

xris: under recorded programs, you can't resort the listing if mythweb isn't in the webroot

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stuarta:

ie. my mythweb is under http://host/mythweb, and the references hit http://host/....

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stuarta:

the /mythweb/ part isn't respected.

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Beirdo:

I think there's a setting in .htaccess for that

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Beirdo:

RewriteBase (I think it is)

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kormoc:

Aye, RewriteBase

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** stuarta is also talking in the wrong channel... **

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AngryElf:

Why do I have 40 episodes of SouthPark when 'Auto-Expire recordings' is checked, 'Record New and expire old' is checked and "no of recordings ot keep" is 20 ??

[21:49:29]

Beirdo:

not to worry, the noisy dumbass was banned

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Cardoe:

mchou: http://dev.gentoo.org/~cardoe/files/

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Cardoe:

there should be some file in there.

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Cardoe:

msi something.txt

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Cardoe:

that's the info & dmesg from this new board

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Cardoe:

I totally forgot I uploaded it.

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Cardoe:

hey Beirdo

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Beirdo:

Heya, Cardoe, how's life up north?

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Cardoe:

Beirdo: enjoying saying that?

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Cardoe:

;)

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Cardoe:

It's good

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Beirdo:

you bet :)

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kormoc:

AngryElf, cause you don't have auto-expire enabled?

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Cardoe:

I got a real job

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Cardoe:

graduated now

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Beirdo:

cool

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Cardoe:

bought a new mythbox.

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Cardoe:

and I'm enjoying college life with money

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** stuarta has now discovered RewriteBase :) **

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Beirdo:

nice

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Cardoe:

ok bosses aren't on this IRC chan

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AngryElf:

where is it enabled?

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Beirdo:

you hope

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kormoc:

AngryElf, mythtv-setup

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stuarta:

dammit rewrite my base!!!

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stuarta:

Beirdo: I had to walk away earlier. Far too much crap was flying...

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Beirdo:

I know, I guess I'm more patient for losers than most

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Beirdo:

I banned his ass eventually, sorry, shoulda done so quicker

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stuarta:

I had work to do :(

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Aid`:

:o

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stuarta:

it's okay. this is a distraction from work, hence I walked away....

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Beirdo:

heh

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stuarta:

I only have about 5 days work to do. That has to last me at least 1 month....

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AngryElf:

kormoc, there's nothing in mythtv-setup about auto-expire

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kormoc:

AngryElf, ooh, my mistake. I thought for sure there was. Sorry

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AngryElf:

are they not expiring because i have plenty of available disk-space?

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AngryElf:

according to mythWeb they all have an auto-expire flag

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stuarta:

later all, off to the races tomorrow....

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kormoc:

I donno,

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AngryElf:

,,,,this isn't isolated to one show, i've just checked and a bunch of them are over the limit I set

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AngryElf:

blah

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Super_King:

hey there, I was trying to compile mythtv on fc5 with gcc4.1 and I got seg faults, and found a patch on the mythtv-users archive that can remedy the problem

[22:06:08]

Super_King:

but I'm a silly fedora user and not sure how to apply a .diff patch

[22:06:15]

Super_King:

can anyone help me?

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Super_King:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 0svn;#158083 thats where I got the patch btw

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diamondx:

I am going to make a server computer, with ubuntu and a mythtv backend installed. It will be connected to other computers via a LAN. Just to be sure, I will be able to control the backend from a wireless laptop, right?

[22:07:51]

diamondx:

like setup a recording schedule, and watch recorded shows?

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Super_King:

if your on the network yeah

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diamondx:

k

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diamondx:

ty

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Mattwj2005:

not too long ago I talked to a guy that was having problems with his Toshiba laptop....is he in right now?

[22:10:32]

Mattwj2005:

:-s

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bluef0x:

anyone know how to get names to appear instead of "Channel 70"

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bluef0x:

i edited every channel in mythtv-setup

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bluef0x:

but it still appears up as Channel ## instead of "ABC,NBC,MTV" etc

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kormoc:

just wondering, did you set it to display channel name? it's in the frontend settings somewhere I beleive

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bluef0x:

yea long name is "number name"

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bluef0x:

so it should say 10 ABC

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bluef0x:

correct?

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Super_King:

yeah

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Super_King:

mine has chan num and name

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kormoc:

aye

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bluef0x:

still just says 10 Channel 10

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bluef0x:

instead of 10 ABC

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bluef0x:

:/

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kormoc:

bluef0x, you did restart the backend?

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bluef0x:

yea

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bluef0x:

and ran mythfilldatabase again, dunno what that would do but tried it anyway :O

[22:18:15]

bluef0x:

alt 2 , alt 3 restarts it right? (stops and then starts) ?

[22:18:16]

Mattwj2005:

yeah my laptop is running smooth! :D

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kormoc:

huh?

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kormoc:

alt 2, alt 3?

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bluef0x:

alt + 2 stops myth backend

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bluef0x:

alt + 3 starts it

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bluef0x:

correct?

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kormoc:

why would it?

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bluef0x:

ummm those are the commands to

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bluef0x:

?

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kormoc:

no?

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kormoc:

something more akin to "/etc/init.d/mythbackend restart" would

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bluef0x:

well alt + m starts frontend

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bluef0x:

and someone told me alt + 2 stops backend

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bluef0x:

alt + 3 starts it agian

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kormoc:

strange

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kormoc:

alt is very unusual for that sort of thing

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kormoc:

yet alone in a shell

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bluef0x:

try closing ur front end and then pressing alt + m , itll come back up

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destrekor:

bluef0x, that might be because its KnoppMyth that you are running, they might have funky scripts

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bluef0x:

so im guessing the other commands he gave me work too

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kormoc:

bluef0x, nope, doesn't

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bluef0x:

yea im using knoppmyth

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kormoc:

alt-m on mine does nothing

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kormoc:

but fair nuff, if it works on knoppmyth, it works on knoppmyth.

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bluef0x:

sry

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bluef0x:

thought that was just general myth commands

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kormoc:

not at all, but no worries

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destrekor:

thats my guess that its just knoppmyth stuff

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Super_King:

could someone take a look at this and tell me where exactly I'm supposed to run the patch from? http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/ . . . tv_gcc4.diff

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Super_King:

AHA!

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Super_King:

nvm

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Super_King:

:D thank you grep

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gardengnome:

Super_King: your problem might be fixed in 0.19-fixes

[22:23:16]

Super_King:

but I"m trying to compile svn

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destrekor:

alright all, i got a bit of an issue... im trying to install nvidia driver 7676, but it appears it doesn't like my kernel and i already got all of myth and ivtv and lirc configured with this kernel through yum, appears it doesn't like any of the recent kernels (im running 2.6.16.2133 for FC5)

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LabMonkey:

what would be the dev node for my hardware raid array?

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kormoc:

destrekor, aye, you'd need to use a 8xxx driver for that new of a kernel

[22:25:11]

linagee:

I'm sure you dutifully record and watch every commercial

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kormoc:

destrekor, the lastest one works well on my mythbox

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kormoc:

LabMonkey, usually /dev/sda (or b or c or d or so on)

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destrekor:

kormoc, problem is, MythTV crashes when i attempt to watch live tv (i just got this system put together and installed all the latest versions of what is needed)

[22:26:27]

kormoc:

destrekor, how's that related to the driver version?

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LabMonkey:

yeah but I have two drives, set to raid0 in the bios, and my kernel sees the drives as sda and sdb... I don't want individual drives I want one device for the array

[22:26:36]

linagee:

do we want to have TVs in the future that ask our government, "should we show citizen number 8237829 this content?" hell no.

[22:26:48]

kormoc:

LabMonkey, what controler card?

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destrekor:

kormoc, it was also suggested i try downgrading ivtv but not sure if i wanna try that as it could require a bit of work, and my first guess was that the 8-series graphics could be what is killing my system (system goes into complete hard-lock when i attempt to watch tv)

[22:27:31]

LabMonkey:

kormoc: "RAID bus controller: Intel Corporation 82801FR/FRW (ICH6R/ICH6RW) SATA Controller" onboard this new Intel 925X mobo

[22:27:36]

kormoc:

destrekor, are you using XvMC? if so, does turning it off change anything? does using libmpeg help? did you try any of that? :P

[22:27:57]

kormoc:

LabMonkey, that's not really a hardware raid controler I don't beleive

[22:28:10]

destrekor:

kormoc, try what? im pretty much a linux nub and have been following a guide

[22:28:43]

linagee:

citizen number 89293473, stop watching comedy channel! you are not allowed that much political humor in this dimension!

[22:29:00]

gardengnome:

linagee: who are you talking too?

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kormoc:

destrekor, different ways to backback the video files basically, it's in the frontend setup under playback I believe. The options are XvMC, Xv, and libmpeg I think. it might be worthwhile to try them

[22:29:10]

linagee:

gardengnome: #mythtv-users :)

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gardengnome:

linagee: ohy.

[22:29:42]

linagee:

gardengnome: it IS where DRM is headed. don't deny it. :->

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kormoc:

LabMonkey, http://www.redhat.com/archives/ataraid-list/2 . . . sg00001.html

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linagee:

gardengnome: in the beginning there was TV anyone could see. we only had broadcast TV. then came cable TV. then came cable TV boxes that did simple scrambling. then came mpeg2 encrypted streams. next will be a chip in your brain to authenticate that you can watch the content.

[22:31:29]

kormoc:

LabMonkey, in short, your controler isn't fully supported, and it's not a 'true' hardware raid controler, but that's just a bit nickpicky.

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linagee:

gardengnome: i'm sure they will find a way to sugar coat it. "get cheaper cable when you have eChip implant!" or rebates or some other gimmick.

[22:31:56]

kormoc:

linagee, there still is broadcast tv...

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linagee:

kormoc: can't get broadcast here. heh.

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Super_King:

patch --verbose -p0 mythtv_gcc4.diff

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Super_King:

does that look like the proper syntax?

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linagee:

kormoc: you must live in a place with no mountains. :-P

[22:32:45]

Super_King:

cause it's just hanging :'(

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kormoc:

well, really, you don't need to watch tv, it's optional, if you don't like the DRM, then no need to sign up for it

[22:33:02]

linagee:

lol

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kormoc:

that's like saying, McDonalds can't restict the ketchup they give us, it's ours to have

[22:33:36]

kormoc:

well, really, content is theirs to give, and we choose to pay for it and deal with the terms they want to send it out or we go without

[22:33:38]

linagee:

kormoc: if there's an emergency, do you think they will just broadcast an alert on the internet... or on the tv...

[22:33:46]

gardengnome:

Super_King: no. < mythtv_gcc4.diff, and i'd suggest that you use --dry-run to see if it's working.

[22:33:55]

gardengnome:

night guys!

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kormoc:

if there's an emergency, sure it'll be on the internet, just have to watch

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Super_King:

much thanks

[22:34:09]

kormoc:

and usually if it's bad, cops will drive around announceing it

[22:34:14]

kormoc:

not everyone has the tv on 24x7

[22:34:31]

kormoc:

infact most people don't, as it's rather distracting when tring to sleep

[22:34:42]

linagee:

kormoc: what if it's a viral video? must... refuse... DRM... ladden... video... :->

[22:35:26]

kormoc:

it's still your choice. if you feel the video is worth the DRM, then they set it up in a fair enough manor that you'll accept it

[22:35:48]

linagee:

kormoc: it's scary. some people do have tv on 24x7. lol

[22:36:32]

linagee:

kormoc: what about in 2008 when everyone is forced to use HDTV? the FCC is not going to allow people to transmit anal log tv anymore.

[22:37:12]

linagee:

kormoc: somehow, i don't think trailer park trash will be out buying a new HDTV anytime soon....

[22:39:48]

Super_King:

ok so if I'm in this direcotry, and it has a dir in it called libs, and the diff file needs to patch files within that directory, would I use p0?

[22:40:15]

AndyCap:

Hmmm, anyone have a suggestion for why mythfrontend won't change channel? NVP: It prints a number of "Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times." and then dies

[22:40:54]

Anduin:

Super_King: pn has meaning, knowing n is easy.

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Anduin:

AndyCap: The backend log is often more helpful for that.

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linagee:

wait a minute.... why the fsck is the govt SELLING the space where analog TV was. who says they shouldn't turn it into more part 15 unlicensed space?

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Super_King:

Anduin: what?

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AndyCap:

Anduin: hmm, didn't really say anything until the frontend died, and then it said "TVRec(1): Changing from WatchingLiveTV to None" "Finished recording Unknown: channel 4" hmm, maybe my db is screwd.

[22:47:18]

Anduin:

AndyCap: Worth looking in to (the Unknown in there looks bad).

[22:48:02]

AndyCap:

Anduin: well. i think xmltv broke for .no a couple of days ago. so the listings aren't coming in anymore

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kormoc:

linagee, that's not quite true, the hdtv mandate is only with certain parts. Analog cable tv will still be around after 2008.

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linagee:

kormoc: only with certain parts?

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linagee:

kormoc: do they take the tuner out and replace it with black evil sludge? :->

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ru:

hi guys

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ru:

I am trying to get my lirc transmitter working

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ru:

I followed this guide

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ru:

http://www.abarbaccia.com/content/view/21/35/

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ru:

When I run $ modprobe ledxmit_serial

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ru:

It throws two errors though:

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ru:

WARNING: Error inserting ledxmit_dev (/lib/modules/2.6.15-25–686/misc/ledxmit_dev.ko): Operation not permitted

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ru:

FATAL: Error inserting ledxmit_serial (/lib/modules/2.6.15-25–686/misc/ledxmit_serial.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)

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ru:

Dmesg is showing:

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ru:

[17256926.020000] ledxmit_dev: register_chrdev failed

[22:54:21]

ru:

[17256926.052000] ledxmit_serial: Unknown symbol ledxmit_unregister_plugin

[22:54:26]

ru:

[17256926.052000] ledxmit_serial: Unknown symbol ledxmit_register_plugin

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ru:

Any idea's?

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armand:

yeah, use pastebin

[22:55:14]

armand:

instead of flooding the channel

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ru:

how is a few lines of error flooding?

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ru:

pedantic ass.

[22:56:07]

armand:

a few lines? perhaps you cant count

[22:56:20]

armand:

that'll really get you some help, i know whats wrong, but you can kiss the fuck off

[22:56:24]

armand:

tia and hand

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armand:

:)

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Super_King:

ok so this patch is clearly stupid

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ru:

armand: haha sweet

[22:56:48]

Super_King:

its looking for things in libs/libmythtv

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LabMonkey:

ah HAH!

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LabMonkey:

dmraid

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Super_King:

so I run it from one dir up

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Super_King:

using the command patch -p0 < whateverthenamewas.diff

[22:57:18]

Super_King:

and it keeps on saying that it can't find files

[22:57:24]

Super_King:

even if I give it the full path manually

[22:57:31]

Super_King:

it still says there is no such file

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Super_King:

but I know there is

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Super_King:

anybody know what to do?

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Super_King:

or should I just break down and cry

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opello:

Super_King: try levels of --strip?

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Anduin:

Super_King: Which patch?

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ru:

never head "kiss the fuck off before" btw

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AndyCap:

hmm not quite sure what went wrong. but maybe it's the new kernel and saa7134 driver. the frontend on the backend fails as well. and i can't open the ALSA:hw:1,0 anymore :/

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ru:

did u make that up armand?

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Super_King:

http://penguinspace.dyndns.org/~brandon/mythtv_gcc4.diff

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opello:

using letters to represent words, how novel

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armand:

the trolls are roaming

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Super_King:

its supposed to fix the problems of compiling with gcc 4.1

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** armand puts up a sign, "dont feed the trolls **

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armand:

"

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Super_King:

I'll try --strip

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ru:

could someone pls tell me what this means "[17256926.020000] ledxmit_dev: register_chrdev failed"

[22:59:21]

ru:

ledxmit_dev is the module that I renamed

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Anduin:

Super_King: You know in 0.19-fixes... welll

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armand:

im sure everyone is just dieing to help you now

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ru:

i think the default is lirc_dev

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armand:

=]

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Super_King:

:'( same results

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ru:

armand: lol, shhhhh damnit

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Super_King:

where is this .19 fixes?

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** Super_King is trying to compile latest svn **

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Super_King:

and I feel dumb

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armand:

super_king: http://svn.mythtv.org

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Anduin:

Super_King: You are in the mythtv directory when you -p0?

[23:00:16]

Super_King:

yeah

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Anduin:

Super_King: Latest SVN is much newer than that patch (and also compiles with gcc 4.1)

[23:00:53]

Super_King:

...

[23:01:02]

Super_King:

but I keep getting segmentation faults when I try to compile

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AndyCap:

anyone here use the atrpms packages btw? does -0.19–129.rhfc5.at work for you?

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Super_King:

i've used the rpm it works

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Anduin:

Super_King: A segfault while compiling was never one of the gcc 4.1 issues resolved by the various patches.

[23:01:52]

Super_King:

to bad my backend is on svn

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Super_King:

cursed mythv-users logs

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Super_King:

led me to believe otherwise

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ru:

armand: I fixed the problem btw

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ru:

armand: so uhm...

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ru:

armand: take that

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dev:

ru: oh wow you sure showed him

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dev:

lol

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ru:

haha

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Mattwj2005:

hey guys quick question

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Anduin:

Not that I'm aware of, the patch you are trying to apply is already done in real SVN latest, so that isn't the problem (and even before it was just pedantic stuff that 4.1 started caring about, like those illegal scope specifiers, etc)

[23:03:47]

Super_King:

I will just try again and see what happens

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Mattwj2005:

would a 1.2 Ghz be fast enough to play 1080i if it had a Geforce 5200 card and was only a frontend?

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mchou:

Mattwj2005: forget about it

[23:04:52]

mchou:

Mattwj2005: time for an upgrade :)

[23:04:58]

Mattwj2005:

not going to happen?

[23:05:02]

Mattwj2005:

oh okay

[23:05:02]

mchou:

nope

[23:05:15]

Mattwj2005:

that is cool....I can use my laptop as a frontend :D

[23:05:49]

mchou:

Mattwj2005: laptop will be even worse

[23:05:51]

Mattwj2005:

3.3 Ghz 1 GB of Ram 100 GB hard Radeon 9000 dvd-burner etc

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mchou:

laptop vid card uses shared mem

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mchou:

==low memory bandwidth

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Mattwj2005:

true but ATI supports that card

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mchou:

not to mention it's a radeon

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mchou:

which has no xvmc

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Mattwj2005:

yeah that does suck

[23:07:19]

Mattwj2005:

well I all ready order the HDTV tuner

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mchou:

Mattwj2005: sigh.....

[23:07:37]

mchou:

why did you do that?

[23:07:55]

mchou:

you could have tested a 1080i clip avail from the inet

[23:08:21]

mchou:

see how much headroom (or not) you have.......

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Super_King:

do yo uneed faster hardware to play things in 1080i?

[23:08:37]

Super_King:

or any high def video for that matter?

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Mattwj2005:

well I am planning on upgrading my motherboard soon always...besides I should at least be able to run SDTV

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mchou:

Super_King: yup

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Super_King:

I see

[23:08:59]

ru:

offtopic: Does anyone know what those weird stone faces are called? I think they on some island – possibly the canary islands?

[23:09:12]

Super_King:

easter island

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Super_King:

not sure the name

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ru:

aah yeah

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ru:

thanks Super_King

[23:09:40]

Super_King:

np

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mchou:

ru: find out why all the natives disappeared from easter island?

[23:09:51]

Super_King:

so is there any sort of guide for buying hardware for playing things in high def?

[23:10:15]

mchou:

Super_King: there is a myth hw wiki someplace iirc

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mchou:

Super_King: but some numbers there are just crazy

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Super_King:

could you give me atleast a general estimate?

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mchou:

Super_King: dont buy now :)

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mchou:

Super_King: buy after Conroe comes out

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mchou:

Super_King: AMD will lower thier prices even more

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Super_King:

but

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Super_King:

a 2ghz cpu

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mchou:

especially on the higher end procs

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Super_King:

a gig of ram and like a fx5200

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Super_King:

would be decent no?

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xris:

Super_King: 2ghz is *bare* minimum

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Super_King:

...

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mchou:

Super_King: that depends on your definition of "decent"

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Super_King:

your serious?

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xris:

Super_King: yes.

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Super_King:

thats ridiculous

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mchou:

Super_King: if you want no frame skips then 2Ghz wont be enough

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xris:

my 2.4G p4 (non-ht) 533mhz fsb can barely play back 1080i and deinterlace it.

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xris:

even has trouble with deinterlacing turned off, too

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xris:

sometimes.

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mchou:

Super_King: it is ridiculous

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Super_King:

what abouta 64bit dual core intel?

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Super_King:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819116238 like that?

[23:14:12]

xris:

Super_King: dual core won't help other than free up room on the processor for more decoding

[23:14:12]

mchou:

Super_King: some HW company should release a HDTV decoder for PCs

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mchou:

Super_King: in fact, dual core might be worse

[23:14:49]

Super_King:

well what about those hd5500 cards?

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xris:

Super_King: depends on your budget. 2.8ghz+ proc, 800mhz+ fsb, hyperthreaded or dual core.. should be more than enough

[23:14:57]

Super_King:

wait

[23:15:00]

Super_King:

they have encoders

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mchou:

since each core isnt as good as a "single" core

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xris:

not encoder. hd is already encoded

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Super_King:

I see

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xris:

Super_King: do you have HD now or are you just building a shopping list?

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mchou:

I really wish there is a HW co that would releas a good, affordable HW H.264/HDTV decoder for PCs

[23:17:41]

Super_King:

building a list

[23:17:57]

Super_King:

I didn't realize hd was a resource hog to that extent

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mchou:

Super_King: seriously, wait till after Conroe release

[23:18:20]

Super_King:

what's Conroe?

[23:18:21]

mchou:

Super_King: much easier on your wallet

[23:18:30]

xris:

Super_King: 1920x1080 mpeg2....

[23:18:38]

xris:

mchou: and the electric bill

[23:18:38]

mchou:

the "next" family of intel procs

[23:18:54]

xris:

Super_King: do you have digital cable?

[23:18:58]

Super_King:

any idea when they come out?

[23:19:05]

mchou:

Super_King: very soon

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Super_King:

goody goody

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xris:

kormoc: when's conroe come out?

[23:19:41]

mchou:

Super_King: day after Conroe release AMD is going to lower prices

[23:19:49]

Super_King:

so I'd go with amd?

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mchou:

Super_King: I'd still go with AMD after Conroe

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mchou:

Super_King: amd64, that is

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xris:

Super_King: it doesn't really matter... current gen of intel procs are power hogs, though.

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mchou:

Super_King: with Cool'nQuiet

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bengoodger:

why the hell do IRC servers require the # ?

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Super_King:

I see

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mchou:

power hogs and heaters

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bengoodger:

given that all channels have one, can't they add it on automatically if I forget? guh.

[23:21:20]

Super_King:

perhaps a 2.4ghz amd64?

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xris:

bengoodger: not all channels have it

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bengoodger:

anywho, my mobo arrived. yay :)

[23:21:33]

xris:

some have @ or ## or some other char

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Super_King:

woo

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bengoodger:

xris, ah

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bengoodger:

xris, gah

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mchou:

Super_King: nah, Cool'nQuiet iirc is 3000+ minimum

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xris:

it's just how the server is configured...

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bengoodger:

xris, nyargle

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Super_King:

neat

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mchou:

Super_King: so 3000+ minimum would be what you want

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xris:

Super_King: don't confuse actual processor speed with amd's marketing numbers (which are intended to show approximate speed comparisons with intel procs)

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mchou:

Super_King: assuming low noise and less heat is important to you

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xris:

Super_King: digital cable or over the air?

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Super_King:

I'm plalining on over the iar but may go to cable

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mchou:

Super_King: where you live?

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Super_King:

texas

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bengoodger:

ha!

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mchou:

which city?

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xris:

cable is imho nicer since you can usually record the SD channels over firewire, too

[23:23:57]

Super_King:

austin

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bengoodger:

sorry.

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xris:

and you only need a firewire connection instead of a tuner card

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mchou:

Super_King: austin. the only sane town in TX

[23:24:29]

Super_King:

yeah tx blows

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kormoc:

xris, end of july I belivev

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kormoc:

*believe

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bengoodger:

kormoc, ??

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xris:

bengoodger: conroe release date

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kormoc:

Aye, july 23

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xris:

Super_King: there you go on your date

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** bengoodger looks up conroe **

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Super_King:

what family of amd processors are the cool and quiet ones?

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bengoodger:

ooh.

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bengoodger:

super_king, I'm not aware that AMD make those.

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kormoc:

the E6300 to E6700 (1.86 ghz to 2.67), with the extreme series shortly after if not at the same time

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mchou:

anything amd64 over 3000+

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mchou:

Super_King: ^^

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xris:

Super_King: athlon64

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mchou:

Super_King: or equal to :)

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bengoodger:

hmm

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Super_King:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819104233

[23:27:23]

Super_King:

:D

[23:27:27]

Super_King:

$97

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mchou:

Super_King: anything less you playing with a toaster

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kormoc:

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1976398,00.asp <-- good benchmark of conroe vs a64 fx-60 dual core overclocked

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bengoodger:

I got this mobo about 30 hours after I ordered it, which is moderately impressive for the UK

[23:28:19]

bengoodger:

do I need large amounts of RAM for a mythfrontend (SD-DVB) or will 512MiB do?

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kormoc:

Super_King, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681911600 64 bit, dual core cpu

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kormoc:

Super_King, for just $20 more :)

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mchou:

Super_King: look for low TDP ratings

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Super_King:

do cpus with the Smithfield core run really hot?

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Super_King:

I know I've got a prescott that burns

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kormoc:

they do run warm

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mchou:

Super_King: dont buy intel until conroe comes out

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** xris likes his Intel Space Heater 820.... heh **

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mchou:

Super_King: way too toasty and noisy

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bengoodger:

does anyone know when mythtv 20 will come out? is there even a release date? or will I be forced to compile from subversion?

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xris:

bengoodger: .19.1 isn't even out yet.

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Super_King:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819116001

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bengoodger:

xris, I wasn't aware of a 19.1

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kormoc:

the 805 is tdp of 95w

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Super_King:

it's dual core :'(

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Super_King:

but hot and loud?

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Super_King:

stupid intel

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bengoodger:

I presume it fixes that damned issue with the dvb?

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xris:

Isaac has talked about releasing .20 instead of .19.1, but I think there are still too many not-tested-enough things in svn and a few other big things on the todo list before a release.

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xris:

bengoodger: yeah. the .19-fixes branch in svn will do that.

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bengoodger:

hooray.

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kormoc:

Super_King, that other one you linked is tdp of 89 watts

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xris:

most packages these days draw from the fixes branch, though

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kormoc:

Super_King, so it's about 6 watts more heat

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bengoodger:

I knew subversion's version fixed it

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mchou:

kormoc: stop bullshitting

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kormoc:

Super_King, or 6% hotter

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mchou:

kormoc: http://www.amdcompare.com/us-en/desktop/Default.aspx

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bengoodger:

play nicely, children

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Super_King:

I could deal with that

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xris:

mchou: dude, remember that he can't hear you

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xris:

bengoodger: pretty sure that daniel backported most of those dvb fixes.

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bengoodger:

xris, goodo.

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mchou:

xris: I dont give a damn wheter kormoc can hear

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xris:

mchou: then why are you talking to him?

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mchou:

xris: he is constantly passing bad info

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bengoodger:

it seems likely I'll no longer bother to watch live tv

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bengoodger:

kormoc:

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bengoodger:

mchou says "stop bullshitting: http://www.amdcompare.com/us-en/desktop/Default.aspx"

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Super_King:

well thanks for the help guys

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Super_King:

I've gotta go

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Super_King:

adios

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mchou:

xris: I talk to him so Super_King knows he is full of shit

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mchou:

xris: not to mention intel and amd tdp are apples and oranges

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bengoodger:

mchou, brand loyalty is important nowadays

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mchou:

AMD TDP is "Max", which intels is "typical"

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mchou:

bengoodger: lol

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mchou:

bengoodger: I only work at intel

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bengoodger:

mchou, I buy AMD because I like their chip names, and the fact that I know about them

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bengoodger:

I bought ATi because I had the ability to work around their numbering system

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mchou:

bengoodger: I think Sempron is a lousy name

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xris:

I bought intel because they gave me a better deal.

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bengoodger:

now of course, I am going to buy NVidia because ATi are shit.

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mchou:

every time I hear that name I associate with "porn"

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bengoodger:

xris, I bought several years ago.

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xris:

bengoodger: I work for a VAR... intel gives us deals on hardware. amd doesn't.

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bengoodger:

xris, carry on

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xris:

so $250 for $500 worth of gear was a good deal.

[23:38:28]

bengoodger:

xris, I work for an OEM... microsoft gives us deals on software. red hat don't

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bengoodger:

(hypothetical)

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bengoodger:

does that make microsoft's software a better deal, even if it is money-off?

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xris:

bengoodger: microsoft gives the company deals, but not employees... redhat gives no deals.

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mchou:

bengoodger: hehe

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bengoodger:

does anything make microsoft's software a better deal?

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mchou:

bengoodger: you cant beat "free" as in libre

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bengoodger:

mchou, for gods' sakes, PLEASE do not enter stallman-land, it's twenty to one am.

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mchou:

bengoodger: not "free" as in beer :)

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xris:

bengoodger: part of that intel deal was a copy of windows MCE. I sold it for $90. that was a good deal.

[23:40:29]

bengoodger:

we're getting ads with little sketches of castles superimposed onto footage of people using laptops, they say they care about our security... do they hell.

[23:40:54]

bengoodger:

I wondered if they meant that they're sneaking Ubuntu CDs into their software boxes.

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mchou:

bengoodger: hehe

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bengoodger:

I also wondered why people put up with them, I wondered if they don't realise that microsoft is not the only software company

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bengoodger:

then it hit me: they really don't

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bengoodger:

there is a serious social problem in britain at the moment

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bengoodger:

among people my age (13–16)

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bengoodger:

... stick MSN on it and they'll use it

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bengoodger:

or Microsoft

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mchou:

bengoodger: hehe

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bengoodger:

or Windows

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mchou:

bengoodger: keep in mind teenagers dont make decisions :)

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bengoodger:

mchou, I make decisions

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mchou:

bengoodger: well, maybe you're the exception

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bengoodger:

they have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA that jabber, gtalk, yahoo, firefox, thunderbird, linux, gmail, apple exist.

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bengoodger:

and it's disturbing.

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mchou:

bengoodger: my point is once they go to college they'll know better

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bengoodger:

90 years ago we didn't have a youth culture, you were a child until you reached 16 and became an adult **sigh**

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bengoodger:

mchou, do you really think so?

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mchou:

bengoodger: absolutely

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bengoodger:

these people will not be going to college, most likely

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mchou:

the transition betw high school and college implies responsibility

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bengoodger:

mchou, are you American?

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mchou:

bengoodger: yes, I am.

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bengoodger:

then you can have no idea, no idea at all.

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mchou:

bengoodger: maybe not about UK

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bengoodger:

imagine the rough british equivalent of trailer trash, except they live in vaguely nice houses, have 8MB broadband connections and premium satellite television

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mchou:

bengoodger: what % of college age ppl dont go to college?

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bengoodger:

mchou, I don't know any statistics

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mchou:

bengoodger: in UK?

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bengoodger:

cynical me says about 70%

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bengoodger:

but that must be excessive, says realistic me

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mchou:

bengoodger: well, I'm willing to wager the number is much less than that

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** bengoodger looks on convoluted and poorly designed national statistics website **

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mchou:

bengoodger: maybe at most 30%

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mchou:

bengoodger: or probably 25%

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mchou:

bengoodger: even ppl who go to 2 yr "vocational" colleges.....

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bengoodger:

you're talking about 18–21 year old students, yes?

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mchou:

bengoodger: ppl who graduate high school (but dont get any degrees higher than that)

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bengoodger:

ah

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bengoodger:

problem..

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mchou:

i.e. terminal degree is high school diploma

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bengoodger:

the english have compulsory education until 16

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bengoodger:

then A-level which is sort of above degree

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Mattwj2005:

what is the url?

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bengoodger:

then university..

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mchou:

bengoodger: then I mean A-levels

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bengoodger:

Mattwj2005, dfes.gov.uk

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bengoodger:

mchou, people with A-levels but no further education?

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mchou:

terminal degree is A-level, yes

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bengoodger:

nkay

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bengoodger:

number of people obtaining degrees last year was 633045

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mchou:

bengoodger: those are A-levels?

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bengoodger:

nosun, university

[23:52:40]

bengoodger:

wuh?

[23:52:43]

bengoodger:

nosun, university

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bengoodger:

ok, that's wierd

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bengoodger:

hold on

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Mattwj2005:

so what percentages are we talk for each level?

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bengoodger:

26.8% of all people of working age have university degrees.

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Mattwj2005:

that is pretty high

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bengoodger:

8.2 million people

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Mattwj2005:

I think in the US it is only about 13%

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mchou:

Mattwj2005: you kidding me

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bengoodger:

it's more than that there

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MarshallWalker:

Hey all, I am still trying to get a picture from my pvr-150.

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bengoodger:

er, the statistics don't give comparable results.

[23:57:20]

Mattwj2005:

that is what one of my friends told me

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bengoodger:

51.6% of economically active adults have A levels

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Mattwj2005:

a-levels?

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mchou:

Mattwj2005: 13% means only one out of every 8 adults have university degrees

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bengoodger:

16–18 qualification

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MarshallWalker:

when I use mplayer -vo xv /dev/video0 I get a message stating that the selected video_out device is incompatible with this codec, and VDecoder failed :(

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bengoodger:

MarshallWalker, install whatever codec then.

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mchou:

Mattwj2005: that's ludicrous even for backwards US :)

[23:59:10]

Mattwj2005:

hey now :P

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bengoodger:

somegeek, 8.2 million people of working age have degrees

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MarshallWalker:

I don't understand what codec to install.

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bengoodger:

while 12.1 million economically active adults have A levels

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