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Monday, June 19th, 2006, 00:02 UTC

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jajaja-:

should i paste some lines in here?

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JochenK:

pastebin.com

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jajaja-:

http://pastebin.com/717493

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jajaja-:

first part is the ls -l and the second part is the ivtv error

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radi0head:

jajaja-; Do you have hotplug? If not, install it.

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jajaja-:

says hotplgu not available and recommends udev and says i have the newest version

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jajaja-:

of udev that is

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radi0head:

You need hotplug.

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jajaja-:

okay let me look around

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jajaja-:

im not sure where to find it

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jajaja-:

apt-get install hotplug doesnt work

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radi0head:

I don't use ubuntu, so I have no clue.

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jajaja-:

ok

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radi0head:

http://www.ubuntu.com/support/documentation

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Anduin:

radi0head: Stop giving bad advice.

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radi0head:

Anduin; wtf?

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radi0head:

Anduin; Define "bad advice"

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Anduin:

radi0head: The hotplug you know is replaced by udev features in newer distros.

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radi0head:

Anduin; Hmm, weird.

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D-side:

hotplug works in conjunction with udev.

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radi0head:

Yeah, that's what I thought.

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radi0head:

I have both.

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Anduin:

Your next upgrade you will have one.

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radi0head:

Anduin; I don't think so.

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D-side:

i've never used it on debian, personally, but i certainly use hotplug scripts on gentoo

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radi0head:

Anduin; Slackware 11.0 will still have hotplug when it's gonna be released.

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D-side:

and with the mention of slackware i utterly stopped caring. :D

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radi0head:

Ah a ricer...

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radi0head:

:)

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D-side:

thats a nice stereotype, yes.

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D-side:

slackers have no right to talk shit to ANYONE. :)

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radi0head:

A nice stereotype? Have I talked shit?

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radi0head:

It was a joke, that obviously you didn't get.

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D-side:

hey, relax guy.

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radi0head:

I am perfectly calm and relaxed.

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D-side:

Clearly.

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jajaja-:

i installed hotplug still no luck

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radi0head:

jajaja-; cat /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent | grep -i firmware_dir

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radi0head:

jajaja-; What's the firmware_dir= string pointing to?

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jajaja-:

damnit that dir is still not there

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Anduin:

jajaja-: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=186747

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jajaja-:

oh wow let me check that out. thanks Anduin

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Mersault:

I have two wireless (ir) gamepads, an ir remote (mceusb2), and a wireless mouse and keyboard (also ir). is there a way to get all of these devices to work with a single receiver? ideally, I want a receiver I can mount inside the case in one of the drive bays (I have both 5 1/4 and 3 1/2 inch bays available).

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mchou:

Mersault: what do you mean by a single receiver? All all devices IR?

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mchou:

s/All/Are

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Mersault:

yeah.

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mchou:

what happenes when you use mouse and kb at the same time? :)

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Mersault:

well, truthfully the wireless keyboard and mouse aren't here so I can't verify that those are ir. but I have two gamepads and a remote that are all ir, and they play nice

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mchou:

Mersault: point is there are *2* recievers right there for mouse and kb :)

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mchou:

Mersault: and probably 2 transmitters

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mchou:

i.e 2 receiver modules in one housing unit

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mchou:

Mersault: what model is kb and mouse?

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Mersault:

so each ir transmitter is tied specifically to each ir reciever, and using one reciever for multiple units is not feasible? the keyboard and mouse were logitech, dunno the model.

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mchou:

Mersault: it may be possible, but you'd have to include logic to handle multiplex the signals

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Mersault:

I'

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mchou:

Mersault: logitech makes IR kbs? that's news to me

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Mersault:

I'm less worried about the keyboard and mouse. the gamepads and remote are the bigger concern (I don't usually interact with the keyboard or mouse on this box).

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Mersault:

and I am absolutely positively certain these are all ir devices.

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mchou:

Mersault: what's the big deal? each IR reciever module is not much bigger than head of LED

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mchou:

Mersault: it's not as if space would be a constraint

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Mersault:

um, I know. but I'd rather not smash apart the receiver that came with my gamepads

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mchou:

Mersault: huh??

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mchou:

Mersault: you planning to build your own?

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Mersault:

some kind of ir blaster like device... yeah. actually, I wouldn't be doing it myself, I have a room mate thats a hardware guy.

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mchou:

Mersault: lol, so why you asking here??

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mchou:

Mersault: ask the HW guy

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mchou:

Mersault: IF HE IS ANY GOOD HE WOULD KNOW

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Mersault:

because it seems likely some other mythtv user might have done this, and know what software I should look into in order to make it work

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Mersault:

jesus, don't shout dude.

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mchou:

Mersault: accidentally hit caps lock

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mchou:

anyways, I dont see how you are going to do this in SW

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Mersault:

well, hardware wise I'm sure we can put together an ir blaster device, and if we need one ir blaster for each ir device then we would build one with like 8 specific ir blaster units in it and put it in the drive bay, I'm more curious about the software setup needed to make it work.

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mchou:

gamepads are HID devices

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Mersault:

so, I can't use an ir blaster + related software to spoof an HID device?

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mchou:

i.e. gamepads need to go thru the USB stack

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mchou:

Mersault: umm, what would be the point?

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Mersault:

well, as they are configured now. but I don't see why it wouldn't be possible to create the /dev/js0 /dev/js1 devices using something other than the usb stack, hence, there seems a possibility that someone might have gone ahead and done that.

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mchou:

Mersault: the gamepad has an ir blaster

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Mersault:

exactly. but having three of them seems unnecessary and is messy. I'm trying to reduce living room clutter.

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mchou:

Mersault: /dev/js* got created because of the USB stack

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Mersault:

yes, but lots of other things can create device nodes.

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mchou:

Mersault: lol, you arent even making sense

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mchou:

living room clutter?? are you going to castrate the ir blaster in the gamepad?

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mchou:

it's not as if the gamepad ir blaster adds to the living room clutter

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mchou:

it's in the game pad, for gods sake

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Mersault:

it's not the gamepad itself I have a problem with. it's the reciever.

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Mersault:

I have a mess of recievers lying in front of the tv. I'd rather they weren't there.

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Mersault:

it's just that simple.

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Mersault:

I got a pvr-500 so i could have two tuners in less space than two pvr-150's. I want one reciever where I presently have three.

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mchou:

Mersault: yeah, that's easy. take apart all the plastic reciever housings

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mchou:

shove all the componentry in one housing. Then you are done :)

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Mersault:

Earlier in the conversation: Mersault: um, I know. but I'd rather not smash apart the receiver that came with my gamepads

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mchou:

Mersault: lol

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Mersault:

I might, you know, want to use them somewhere else sometime in the future.

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mchou:

Mersault: I didnt say "smash" apart. I said take apart

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mchou:

if you dont know the difference, dont bother talking HW

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Mersault:

arguing the semantics of your statement doesn't mean my point/concern goes away.

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

how tf did I not address that concern?

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mchou:

you take it apart implies you can put it back together again

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Mersault:

look, if you don't know of an easy way to use an ir blaster or some other device similar in nature to do what I want, you clearly don't have an answer to the question I'm looking for. I'm not interested in explaining myself for why I want what I want.

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mchou:

Mersault: I told you the answer earlier: (17:52:00) mchou: Mersault: it may be possible, but you'd have to include logic to handle multiplex the signals

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mchou:

that includes both HW and SW

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Mersault:

right. that's not helpful because it's obvious.

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mchou:

Mersault: it's clear you havent talked to ANY HW guy about this

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mchou:

Mersault: yeah, it was so obvious to you that you had to come here and ask

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mchou:

not to mention you dont even know what modulation protocol each device uses

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Mersault:

that was an answer to a question I didn't ask.

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mchou:

and what frequencies

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Mersault:

and I have better things to do than deal with you further.

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awa64:

hokay

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awa64:

so

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awa64:

I'm looking at a second tuner card.

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awa64:

I'm not sure what to go with.

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awa64:

A guy who I'm talking to is trying to get me to go with an HD card.

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awa64:

It's of a similar price to the Hauppage I'm looking at.

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awa64:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815116620

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mchou:

awa64: which HD card and how $?

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awa64:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815100134

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awa64:

Those are the two I'm looking at.

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awa64:

Thing is, the computer I'm using as a mythbox is only a 2ghz celeron.

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mchou:

awa64: who is your cableco?

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awa64:

time warner.

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awa64:

no cable box.

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mchou:

awa64: what do you mean by no cable box? maning you dont have one?

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mchou:

meaning*

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awa64:

Not going to be able to hook one into it, no.

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awa64:

Parentals have one with their DVR built-in.

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awa64:

College most likely won't provide them.

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gaasfet:

I just got a happague PVR-150 card, I'm not sure I want it, seems like a pain in the ass

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awa64:

howso?

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mchou:

awa64: colleg has time warner too?

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awa64:

yeah.

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mchou:

awa64: are the campus channels mapped differently to real world?

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mchou:

awa64: any funky reassignments, etc?

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awa64:

unknown as of yet.

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mchou:

awa64: then you should wait

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awa64:

Whyzat?

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mchou:

awa64: no point in getting any HW until you know

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awa64:

Well, I already have a box with one tuner card in it.

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mchou:

awa64: especially if you can get a HDTV STB in college

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awa64:

true

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mchou:

awa64: what school?

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awa64:

university of cincinnati

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mchou:

know anyone there?

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awa64:

maybe a guy or two I could contact

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mchou:

I mean who already lives on campus and whatnot

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awa64:

I meant that too.

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Beirdo:

nice

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mchou:

send them a few emails

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Beirdo:

linode just gave another 25% RAM upgrade, it seems

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awa64:

I've got their IM name, but I'm not sure how long it's been since they've been on.

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mchou:

ask them about the channels, and also if they are able to get HDTV STBs, and if so, how much

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Beirdo:

gonna have to reboot the baby soon

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awa64:

ok, they were last on this afternoon at 5.

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mchou:

awa64: if you want HDTV a comp ugrade to 3Ghz will be necessary

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awa64:

HD isn't that big a requirement for me.

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mchou:

awa64: need to factor that in too

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awa64:

But ability to play video games on it is.

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mchou:

what kind of vid games?

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mchou:

awa64: you'd be too busy playing xbox and PS2s :)

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awa64:

I meant xbox and ps2.

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awa64:

Or, actually, PS2 and GCN.

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awa64:

And SNES and N64.

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awa64:

And Wii and possibly 360.

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awa64:

Current tuner card is soft, so games are unplayable.

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mchou:

so that means you wont need vid games on comp

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awa64:

yeah. I meant console video games.

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awa64:

The CARD needs to have a fast enough potential turnaround to do console video games.

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mchou:

awa64: huh???

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mchou:

awa64: then PVR-150 is not what you want

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awa64:

my current tuner card has a .5–1 second lag on processing, even without Myth's stuff.

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mchou:

awa64: if you gonna play games on console why you need a card?

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awa64:

Because I want to not have to drag my CRT TV to college with me.

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mchou:

awa64: forget about it

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mchou:

no card is going to be good enough for vid games

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awa64:

Shit. Really?

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awa64:

You sure?

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mchou:

awa64: your current SW card should be just fine for that

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awa64:

it's not.

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mchou:

if you install xawtv and turn off all filters

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awa64:

OK, i'll try it then.

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awa64:

right now.

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mchou:

cause the filyers are probably giving you that lag

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mchou:

filters*

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awa64:

what's the apt/yum package I'd want?

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mchou:

I dont use apt yum

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awa64:

oh.

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awa64:

xaw3d?

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mchou:

no, xawtv

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awa64:

ok

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mchou:

awa64: you should just buy a lcd with svid/component imputs, and DVI :)

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awa64:

short on cash.

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awa64:

any x to dvi converters out there?

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mchou:

awa64: much easier than plugging junk in the back of computer

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awa64:

Well, I've got a nice switcher box at the moment.

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mchou:

awa64: heh, how you gonna record while palying games?

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mchou:

playing*

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awa64:

Splitter.

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mchou:

awa64: no, cpu util

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awa64:

hrm.

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awa64:

Two cards, recording one, playing off other... hauppage would jump straight to vid card w/o messing with cpu, and software card would be in there by itself so I wouldn't have that chance anyway.

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awa64:

anyway, xawtv's giving me trouble installing

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mchou:

awa64: lol

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awa64:

it's complaining I don't have libxm.so.3

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awa64:

and I have no idea where to get it.

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mchou:

you check out the cpu-util tvtime takes up?

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awa64:

no

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mchou:

for live tv?

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mchou:

awa64: well, do so

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mchou:

cause you will be shocked

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awa64:

ok... remember, I'm a total linux newbie--might have to tell me HOW to do that.

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mchou:

no way you record and "play" at the same time

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awa64:

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say ~60–70%. That's how much it took on Windows.

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mchou:

certainly not on a 2Ghz

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awa64:

Eh.

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mchou:

awa64: at least not w/o dropping frames on record

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mchou:

only way to do so is to get a pvr-150 and record strictly on that

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mchou:

and play console games on your SW wncoder

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mchou:

encoder*

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awa64:

was thinking something to that effect if I got the hauppage, yeah.

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awa64:

bloody hell! why won't xawtv install!

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awa64:

It says it's missing libXm.so.3... and I can't find anywhere to get libXm.so.3 by itself, and I just installed a package that said it had it in it.

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neftune:

awa64: what distro are you using?

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awa64:

fc5

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awa64:

so any ideas, neftune?

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awa64:

...?

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gaasfet:

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awa64:

so, xawtv. Any idea on how to get it installed on FC5?

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awa64:

Okay. Myth-related problem--vid card won't save brightness/contrast settings.

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i686|laptop:

is anyones mythfilldatabase broken..?

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i686|laptop:

when i try it, it's coming back with a file error, something about java in tv_grab_au

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serialpinguin:

Hello all, were might I find a document that will show me how I can add album art to my library of mp3s?

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AngryElf:

is mythjobque the scheduler? and is there any harm in manually invoking it?

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awa64:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Mythjobqueue

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awa64:

I think your anwer is yes, but that should tell you better than I'd know.

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awa64:

...anyone know how to reset a Myth theme manually?

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awa64:

...?

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serialpinguin:

awa64: what do you mean by reset

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serialpinguin:

did you screw one up?

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asd26:

is there simple bootable cd that creates an image of the whole HD and then burns it to DVD?

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asd26:

mondo, can't do this

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metalac:

any clue what command line should I use for DVD play with Xine?

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metalac:

i get a black screen now

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metalac:

xine starts up but I just get black screen

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coolego1:

why is it that I can only tune to channels below 13 and above that it has static and a mostly black screen?

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metalac:

does it do the same thing when you plug it directly to TV?

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coolego1:

no, it works on the regular TV

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metalac:

did you run the "scan channels" thing?

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coolego1:

no I used "update from listings source"

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metalac:

try scanning and see what it can see

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coolego1:

it worked earlier today before I reformatted and upgraded

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metalac:

ohh

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Gumby:

anyone here use mythtranscode? trying to figure it out via command line but I cant seem to get the right syntax down

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xris:

Gumby: it's not intended for use by people, only scripts

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Gumby:

xris: I just realized that. thx :) I grabbed nuvexport source and that seems to be working well thus far :)

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Gumby:

what do people use (if anything) to transcode their recordings for archiving purposes to save space?

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Gumby:

something automagic without much user intervention

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xris:

nuvexport (that's why I wrote it()

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Gumby:

is it by design that in the first menu where you choose which codec you'd like to transcode to that everything is "(disabled)"?

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xris:

select one, it'll tell you what you're missing

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Gumby:

every single option says "disabled" but when I use nuvexport-divx, it seems to work just fine

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xris:

odd

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xris:

personally, I think --transcode with xvid produces a better output, though.

[06:51:22]

xris:

but select the disabled options and it will tell you why it thinks they're disabled.

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Gumby:

mjpegtools

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** Gumby installs and tries again **

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Gumby:

all is well now :)

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gnuyen:

HI guys, mythfilldatabase fails because i don't have a dd_schedule

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gnuyen:

was this added to the schema at some point?

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gnuyen:

i did an apt-get upgrade, and I'm concerned that the system was not upgraded properly

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xris:

gnuyen: odd.. are you configured to use dd or xmltv?

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gnuyen:

uh i dont know

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gnuyen:

i use zap2it

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xris:

that'd be dd (datadirect)

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gnuyen:

ah

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xris:

might want to run through mythtv-setup and make sure it's all set up properly

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gnuyen:

well can someone give me the sql command to create the dd_schedule database?

[06:55:00]

gnuyen:

mysqldump mythconverg.dd_schedule ought to do it

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gnuyen:

and i can just insert it and run mythfilldatabase again

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gnuyen:

and hopefully it will work itself out

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xris:

gnuyen: shouldn't need to... definitely not a separate database, either

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gnuyen:

well

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gnuyen:

the table i mean

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gnuyen:

the table is definitely not there

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xris:

doesn't exist.

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xris:

mythfilldatabase creates it

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xris:

and then destroys it

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Gumby:

mysqldump: Got error: 1102: Incorrect database name 'mythconverg.dd_schedule' when selecting the database

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gnuyen:

oh

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gnuyen:

hrmm

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gnuyen:

maybe that's not the problem then

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Gumby:

do you have the mysql user/pass set correctly? maybe mythfilldatabase cant write to it

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xris:

could be a permissions thing.. maybe a mysql.txt file in a random location

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gnuyen:

well mythfilldatabase

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xris:

anyway, time for me to sleep. later.

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gnuyen:

says i have an error in mysql syntax

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Gumby:

whats the query?

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gnuyen:

um

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gnuyen:

i can't paste in ehre right?

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gnuyen:

in #flood?

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Gumby:

http://rafb.net/paste

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Gumby:

not that I'll be much help. hehe. but I can at least have a look and offer any insight I might have

[07:01:08]

gnuyen:

http://rafb.net/paste/results/I7LO1z78.txt

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gnuyen:

error in the sql or something

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opello:

repeat is a keyword

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opello:

try `repeat`

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gnuyen:

where?

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gnuyen:

edit mythfilldatabase?

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opello:

*shrug* rebuild mythfilldatabase? :)

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opello:

i didn't think myth grok'd mysql5?

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Gumby:

login to mysql and try and paste that query there

[07:04:11]

gnuyen:

so mysql5 is bad?

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gnuyen:

shit, i can't exactly downgrade

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opello:

it just supports lots of nice sql92 features finally, heh

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gnuyen:

mysqldump everything, then install mysql4 and rdumpit back in?

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opello:

you could

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opello:

did you upgrade from 4.1?

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gnuyen:

probably

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gnuyen:

4.x

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Gumby:

I'm running mysql-server-5.0 and its running without a hitch

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opello:

you would have dumped and restored for that too

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opello:

dunno, was a thought

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gnuyen:

i dist-upgarded my system and thats when everything kinda went bad

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Gumby:

gnuyen: sarge? testing? unstable?

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opello:

Gumby: i'd imagine it's the reserved word though, maybe look into that

[07:06:21]

opello:

gotta hit the sack though :)

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gnuyen:

ubuntu

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gnuyen:

dapper

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Gumby:

gnuyen: ah

[07:06:40]

** Gumby wouldnt run an unstable distro for a pvr **

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Gumby:

packages are not tested nearly enough for my liking. not for a box that I rely on to be stable

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gnuyen:

dapper isn't an unstable distro

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gnuyen:

theoretically

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Gumby:

pretty much anything ubuntu is unstable

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Gumby:

IMHO

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gnuyen:

well i started with knoppmyth

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gnuyen:

and that turned out to mostly work but not update very well

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Gumby:

gnuyen: why not just start with debian in the first place?

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Gumby:

anyhow, a distro debate isnt going to fix your issues...

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gnuyen:

which debian?

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gnuyen:

haha

[07:10:19]

gnuyen:

but yeah

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gnuyen:

is repeat a reserved keyword

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gnuyen:

in mysql 4?

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Gumby:

I think its the "bool" parts

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Gumby:

nm

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Gumby:

the "repeat bool" is whats causing it. I just trued the command without it and it works

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gnuyen:

so that command fails with you too?

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Gumby:

yep

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gnuyen:

are you using mysql 5?

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Gumby:

but when I remove the "repeat bool" it works just fine

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Gumby:

yes

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gnuyen:

ah

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gnuyen:

probably the problem then

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gnuyen:

guess i'm downgrading mysql

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gnuyen:

or upgrading mythtv

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Gumby:

maybe mythfilldatabase needs to be upgraded

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Gumby:

what do you get for dpkg -l mythtv-backend

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i686|laptop:

mythfilldatabase is broken for me.. :/

[07:16:47]

Gumby:

this reminds me, I need to update my zap2it account

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Gumby:

gnuyen: it looks like mythtv-backend probably needs to be updated for you

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Gumby:

sorta supports my story of ubuntu being an unstable distro :)

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gnuyen:

mythtv-databas 0.18.1–5ubuntu

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gnuyen:

i686|laptop: are you running mysql 5?

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Gumby:

what about dpkg -l *mythtv*

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Gumby:

does your backend version match the rest?

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i686|laptop:

gnuyen: i'm running knoppmyth, so what ever version it uses..

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Gumby:

i686|laptop: are you using zap2it?

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Gumby:

i686|laptop: and you'll have to define what you mean by "broen"

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Gumby:

err, broken

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i686|laptop:

says something about can't pull the data..

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Gumby:

are you using zap2it, do you have an account, and did you put the right info in mythtv-setup for it

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Hoxzer:

Y-E-A-H

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Hoxzer:

I use tv_grab_fi ;) worked fine just fine

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Hoxzer:

But u US guys have all those fancy zap2it services

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Gumby:

hehe

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Gumby:

dont forget Canadian :)

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Hoxzer:

:(

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Hoxzer:

we have to parse webpage to get our EPG

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Gumby:

yeah, I had to use tv_grab_na a few yeas back

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Hoxzer:

:-)

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Gumby:

it wasnt THAT big of a deal :)

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Hoxzer:

But I should configure xhtml page for mythweb

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Hoxzer:

it would be pretty nice to control records via phone

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Hoxzer:

doesn't matter where u are ;)

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Gumby:

hehe

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Gumby:

I can use the regular mythweb interface for that via my phone

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Hoxzer:

What phone do u have?

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Gumby:

Motorola Razr

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Hoxzer:

Motorolla :E

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Hoxzer:

I have nokia 6600

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Hoxzer:

cheap and simple

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Hoxzer:

My mother has 6680 ;) which supports HTML

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Hoxzer:

6630 I meant :D

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gnuyen:

reimporting to 4.0

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gnuyen:

r.1

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gnuyen:

4.1 i mean, here's hoping mysqldump 5.0 doesn't generate sql that can't be used in 4.1

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gnuyen:

okay just in case anyone else asks

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gnuyen:

downgrading to mysql 4.1 fixed my problem

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gnuyen:

probably the "repeat" field

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gnuyen:

in .18

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Gumby:

gnuyen: I bet if you update mythbackend to .19 it would have worked no problem

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Gumby:

too bad the ubuntu packagers didnt care to find this bug before they released mysql5

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asd26:

my schedule locks for some reason when trying to set shows for recordings

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gnuyen:

probably

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gnuyen:

but then i'd have to update all my frontends

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gnuyen:

and it would suck

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Juski:

blech. monday

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Hoxzer:

000monday

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Hoxzer:

do u word somewhere?

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Hoxzer:

*work

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Hoxzer:

Do u have a job?

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achew22:

Hi everyone!

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Juski:

if I go offline anytime soon, this'll be why: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/06/17/spiders_in_manchester/

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TruBl_:

Question: If I can tap into various channels via tzap, but not via MythTV, where can I start looking for the problem in MythTV ?

[12:10:04]

TruBl_:

The only channel I can sucessfully view is SBS :(

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Hoxzer:

Trub: have u tried to import Channels.conf to the mythtv?

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TruBl_:

Hoxzer: how does one do that ?

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Hoxzer:

in mythtv-setup

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Hoxzer:

There u can choose how do u wanna get channels and u can import channels.conf

[12:25:55]

Hoxzer:

at least in SVN 0.19-fixes

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stuarta:

channels.conf import was removed in head

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TruBl_:

Hoxzer: mmm .... I think I've done that. Thats how I got SBS.

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Hoxzer:

ok

[12:26:37]

TruBl_:

Hoxzer: you don't happen to be in Australai do you ?

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Hoxzer:

TruBl_: and u have tested channels.conf with other programs like xine?

[12:27:13]

TruBl_:

Hoxzer: no. Where would channels.conf live ?

[12:27:13]

Hoxzer:

TruBl_: :D nope australia is pretty far away from finland

[12:27:17]

Juski:

channels.conf removed in head? why? afternoon btw stuarta

[12:28:04]

stuarta:

dunno, daniel removed it, decided it wasn't needed, I'm not convinced. afternoon 2u2

[12:28:19]

Hoxzer:

TruBl_: u can create one with somekind of scan program or u can get it from internet

[12:29:06]

Juski:

stuarta: fine, if scanning is completely fixed

[12:29:58]

stuarta:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/9633

[12:30:10]

TruBl_:

Hoxzer: SO in mythtv-setup it populates the channel table with whats in channels.conf ?

[12:30:27]

** stuarta makes note to self to finish scanning **

[12:31:22]

Hoxzer:

TruBl_: yep ...

[12:31:41]

Hoxzer:

but it doens't provide "on air" EPG so if u use it u need to do SCan

[12:31:53]

Hoxzer:

but I get on with tv_Grab so it dooesn't matter

[12:32:21]

Beirdo:

stuarta, the "people depend on this, I should remove it" reasoning?

[12:32:34]

TruBl_:

Hoxzer: you based in fi ?

[12:33:04]

Juski:

Beirdo: more "people are using it instead of reporting issues" I think. that's how I read the ticket

[12:33:07]

stuarta:

Beirdo: the commit log suggest people were depending on it since the scanner was fubar, so lets get bug reports about the scanner

[12:33:25]

Hoxzer:

TruBl_: I live in finland

[12:33:41]

TruBl_:

Hoxzer: looks like I need to use /usr/bin/scandvb

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Beirdo:

stuarta, yeah, I understand that, but hopefully scanning is fixed by the next release

[12:34:00]

Hoxzer:

yep, create channels.conf with it

[12:34:19]

stuarta:

Beirdo: it's an awful lot better than it was, still a few bits here and there.

[12:34:48]

Juski:

I hate ATSC & we don't even have it here

[12:34:52]

Juski:

;-)

[12:34:54]

Beirdo:

removing something people depend on is a self-defeating action, many people will just go "myth won't work with this card" and never debug

[12:35:24]

Beirdo:

and very few people who DO have ATSC are able to really debug it well

[12:36:01]

Beirdo:

I can't get my card to tune to ATSC channels at all when I tried, so I gave up for now :)

[12:36:06]

stuarta:

well it's only in head.

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Beirdo:

yup, good thing, eh? :)

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stuarta:

of course, non developers don't use head :-)

[12:37:21]

Beirdo:

if I can get signal, I'll give it a shot

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Juski:

so does 'ATSC' in that ticket cover us here too? or is it that specific?

[12:37:43]

stuarta:

Beirdo: you may be the only Myth user in PR :)

[12:37:43]

Beirdo:

but currently, I see no signal with the small-ass antenna and nearby mountains :)

[12:37:52]

Beirdo:

probably am

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Beirdo:

I may try to fix THAT though :)

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Beirdo:

that reminds me... need an IR transmitter

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** Juski is bored. might read up on LFS some more **

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TruBl_:

mmmm ....

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Beirdo:

right now, the PVR is still in the box as I have digital cable here, and we need to get a second receiver

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Beirdo:

so I can put it in the office rather than the bedroom, and leave a receiver in the bedroom

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stuarta:

Juski: it looks like only the ATSC case has been disabled

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TruBl_:

Hoxzer: This is the result of scandvb http://pastebin.com/718269

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TruBl_:

Hoxzer: any hot tips ?

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Hoxzer:

TruBl_: does your card work propelly on current system?

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Hoxzer:

TruBl_: as u can view one channel maybe ...

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TruBl_:

Hoxzer: yes. I can watch the World Cup on SBS no problem.

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TruBl_:

Hoxzer: tzap works fine also.

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Hoxzer:

TruBl_: ok, u can always try to google for Channels.conf for your area

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Hoxzer:

TruBl_: and test it with xine

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Hoxzer:

TruBl_: and also are u sure that program u used was meant for DVB-T?

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TruBl_:

Hoxzer: no :( I assumed

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TruBl_:

Hoxzer: I can't finds docs on scandvb. There is no man page :(

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Juski:

TruBl_: looks like it could be a driver issue, or scandvb is borked. Try getting hold of 'scan' instead

[12:48:50]

TruBl_:

Hoxzer: what pkg does scan come from ?

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Juski:

oh wait... wtf am I saying...

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Juski:

looks like the channels.conf you're parsing is already populated

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stuarta:

with crap

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Juski:

yup

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stuarta:

scan/scandvb take an initial channels.conf which != a normal channels.conf

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TruBl_:

Hoxzer: when running mythfilldatase I get stacks of erros saying "ERROR: can't find DataSet for Network TEN – 2006-05–23"

[12:50:33]

TruBl_:

Hoxzer: fo all the channels

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stuarta:

TruBl_: don't worry about mythfilldatabase till you sort out the channels

[12:51:42]

Juski:

and don't worry about sorting out the channels til you've tested your hardware.. like making sure the dvb-t tuner works

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TruBl_:

Juski: it does. I have been watching the World Cup on it :)

[12:52:15]

TruBl_:

Juski: via MythTV

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Juski:

woopdedoo

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TruBl_:

Juski: I just can't get any other channel other than SBS

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stuarta:

and we still lost to Brazil :( even though we could've got a draw out of it...

[12:53:28]

** stuarta expected that result. **

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Juski:

what I wanna know is... when the hell will all this be over? fscking sick to death of hearing about it

[12:54:45]

Juski:

(a bit like HDTV really)

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TruBl_:

Hoxzer: What pkg does scan come from ?

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Juski:

dvbutils

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TruBl_:

Juski: ta

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Juski:

you need an initial tuning file, not that channels.conf

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gardengnome:

Juski: web 2.0 is worse.

[12:55:45]

Juski:

web 2-tier !

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Juski:

yay for the rich!

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TruBl_:

Juski: how do I get an initial tunning file ?

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gardengnome:

hehe

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Juski:

TruBl_: should be included already

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TruBl_:

Juski: included with ? Myth ?

[12:56:19]

Juski:

or you could pull one from linuxtv.org's cvs

[12:56:36]

TruBl_:

Juski: tunning file for the channels in my state ?

[12:56:58]

Juski:

erm... the dvbutils package should include initial tuning files

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TruBl_:

Juski: ok the piece I am missing is the definition of a tunning file ?

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** TruBl_ finds himself becomming frustrated :( **

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gardengnome:

welcome to the club.

[12:59:12]

Juski:

http://pastebin.ca/67141

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Juski:

that's what one looks like inside

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TruBl_:

Is a tunning file a file with codes for particular locations in the world ?

[12:59:45]

Juski:

no

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TruBl_:

arrrgggghhhh :(

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Juski:

well a tunning file MIGHT be. a tuning file on the other hand.,.. :-P

[13:00:20]

TruBl_:

Juski: pretty please define a tunning file for me ...

[13:00:21]

Juski:

look in dvb/util/scan/dvb-t

[13:00:53]

TruBl_:

Juski: mmm .... can't find dvb-utils via YUM. grrr !

[13:01:11]

Juski:

these files are things which hold basic tuning information which the _scan_ utility (or scandvb) can use to find a full channel listing

[13:02:07]

TruBl_:

Juski: The same as: /usr/share/doc/dvb-apps-1.1.1/channels.conf-dvbt-australia ??

[13:02:13]

Juski:

no

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TruBl_:

Juski: ahhhh !

[13:02:43]

** TruBl_ looks for an RPM of dvb-utils .... **

[13:03:11]

Juski:

just download the source & build it yerself... != rocketscience

[13:03:33]

TruBl_:

Juski: yes, but I have to find the src 1st :)

[13:03:37]

stuarta:

theres dvb-apps

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Juski:

you didn't come to linux expecting not to have to get your hands dirty did you?

[13:03:51]

TruBl_:

stuarta: got that, doesn't help yet..

[13:04:28]

TruBl_:

Juski: its funny you making all these assumptions about me. For all you know I hacked up the ACPI code for FreeBSD with John Baldwin ...

[13:04:33]

malwart:

Hi guys, I need some help. (perhaps gardengnome will welcome me in too??)

[13:04:47]

Juski:

TruBl_: I suspect that's not the case

[13:04:50]

malwart:

I have a plextor convertx usb capture device

[13:04:58]

TruBl_:

Juski: heh.

[13:05:00]

malwart:

Installed mythtv under ubuntu dapper

[13:05:08]

gardengnome:

malwart: in our club of frustrated mythtv cognoscienti? ;)

[13:05:44]

malwart:

I sorted out all of the drivers and the plextor device works. I can capture video using the plextor gorecord program

[13:05:56]

malwart:

Yes – do I need to learn a handshake or anything?

[13:06:08]

Juski:

cross my palms with silver

[13:06:23]

malwart:

But when I run mythtv, I just get a few inches of static at the top of my screen.

[13:06:31]

Juski:

dcc

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malwart:

(looking in pockets for silver)

[13:07:08]

gardengnome:

malwart: no, you only need to roll up in a corner, sobbingly.

[13:07:09]

Juski:

tech support always sucks. free support even more so :-P

[13:07:16]

stuarta:

you can get away with a chicken you no longer need...

[13:07:55]

stuarta:

possible a small goat....

[13:08:26]

stuarta:

!trout his inability to type properly

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** MythLogBot slaps his inability to type properly with a trout on behalf of stuarta... **

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gardengnome:

malwart: few inches of static. that could be VBI artefacts. you don't get this when using gorecord?

[13:09:50]

Juski:

TruBl_: http://jusftp.no-ip.org/downloads/dvb.tar

[13:09:58]

Juski:

get it while it's hot

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Juski:

tell me when it's done so I can shut the door

[13:12:20]

malwart:

I live in Malawi (Africa) so I have plenty of chickens running under my feet here.

[13:12:21]

malwart:

I actually am just trying to capture some video from a VCR as a test. Do I need to setup channels or something?

[13:12:21]

TruBl_:

Juski: thanks. Will do.

[13:14:19]

malwart:

No gorecord is clean

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TruBl_:

Juski: done

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Juski:

68.184.2.160 – whoever you are... :-P

[13:15:31]

Juski:

people will hop onto any old download

[13:15:45]

onetwo:

At Last Nova-S, Nova-T and PRV150 in the same box all working!!!!!

[13:15:57]

malwart:

gardengnome: The vbi device line is currently empty in mythtv-setup

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Beirdo:

Juski, you silly goose..

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Juski:

?

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Juski:

oh I know... the address will be saved in the log, people will try to download it

[13:17:51]

Beirdo:

posting a URL to an IRC channel is begging for people to hit it :)

[13:17:57]

Beirdo:

especially a logged one :)

[13:17:58]

Juski:

get pissed it's not there & pwn me

[13:18:49]

Juski:

anyway that's 2 people who have working copies of the dvbutils now. dunno why they had to go breaking them anyway

[13:19:35]

Beirdo:

get_dvb_firmware needs updating to get the proper file from bbti

[13:19:58]

stuarta:

no surprise there then

[13:20:23]

Beirdo:

now let's see if I can get this to behave

[13:21:20]

Juski:

Beirdo: pardon me for not keeping other people's code up to date ;-)

[13:21:45]

Dagmar:

Speaking of which... I think someone over at Google has managed to get psychic powers into their search bot at about the same time someone else managed to emulate senility

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Juski:

did you mean "some other random thing?"

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onetwo:

with freesat off 28.2E, is the RT Grabber the way to go for listings?

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Dagmar:

I just had Googlebot try to pull about 20 pages that I wrote on a Wiki, from my personal webserver. There are no links from there to here. The pages were never here. The sites are in no way related except by the fact that I wrote one and run the other.

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Beirdo:

Juski, not your problem :)

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Dagmar:

I'm used to seeing my personal webserver be hit by Google over references to files I've put up for people in here, but I've never seen it do something this weird

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Juski:

Beirdo: heh. i'm full of SEPs

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Beirdo:

not surprised there, we all tend to do that

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asd26:

how do i make noiplinux load all the time? when i boot mythtv?

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stuarta:

Juski: you need a SEPFG. (FG=Field Generator)

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Juski:

wth is noiplinux?

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TruBl_:

Juski: doesn't compile cleanly: http://pastebin.com/718392

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Beirdo:

FuHUCK

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malwart:

So any other idea for why gorecord works, but mythtv is just static?

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Juski:

TruBl_: not my problem if it doesn't compile

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Juski:

maybe run configure first...?

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Beirdo:

anyone here running an nxt2002 (air2pc) card?

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Beirdo:

this firmware file I extracted is ALL 0s

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Beirdo:

aka, bad extraction from the new file

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onetwo:

Is anyone here able to capture the BBC HD stream? I've found some number for it from lynsat.com, but it doesn't seem to be there

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Beirdo:

great

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Beirdo:

where's dopester when I need him?

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Juski:

onetwo: nobody can even play h.264 hdtv at that bitrate yet – not at a watchable rate. current state of play seems a bit sad

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Beirdo:

ahah

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Beirdo:

google to the rescue

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stuarta:

indeed, I can get the dvb-t hd mux and still can't get squat.

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scopeuk:

Juski you could do a soft decode to say mpeg 2

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scopeuk:

then play it back

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onetwo:

yes. I understand, but I wanted to take a feed and transcode it to mpeg2, or buy a big processor and see what it looked it.

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onetwo:

but I'm not going to buy a big processor for nothing...

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Juski:

scopeuk: 18mbps h.264.. wonder how big an mpeg2 file that'd be

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scopeuk:

id take a gues at f'in huge

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scopeuk:

but mght be worth it

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scopeuk:

i take it there is designed for purpose hardware out there that can handle it

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scopeuk:

stb techonology

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Juski:

big processor? jees you'd be looking at full-on dual CPU 64-bit at 3Ghz I think

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scopeuk:

i know htere are harware decoders

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scopeuk:

Juski they get bigger :-)

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Juski:

NO h/w decoders for PCs yet, or for the forseeable. unless you count nvidia cards & purevideo in windows

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scopeuk:

hmm how low down the range fdoes that go? the purevideo/?

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onetwo:

well that might be what I'd buy then – I could do with transcoding programs (legally for school children timeshift) faster anyway.

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scopeuk:

i know there arnbt dcoders for pc i was referign to settop boxen

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Juski:

went thru this last week

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scopeuk:

yes i know

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scopeuk:

i started it

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** scopeuk ducks **

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Juski:

got to wait til anal's log gets turned off 1st anyway – so let's not be delaying our respiration

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stuarta:

or upping our aspirations

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onetwo:

Can I actually get the feed via myth over dvb-s? or do the patches only permit dvb-t?

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stuarta:

onetwo: should be able to record it, just not play it back

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onetwo:

stuarta: have you actually tuned in and captured it or are you dvb-t?

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Juski:

the beeb are actually concerned the terms of their trial licence may be called into question – since the weight of queries they've had about it probably outnumber the official trialists

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stuarta:

onetwo: I'm on the dvb-t mux

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onetwo:

stuarta: I'm in sunny norfolk, so its dvb-s or bust for me...

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stuarta:

and yes, I once mangaged to capture a stream. no luck recently however...

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Beirdo:

woohoo

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Beirdo:

this card works MUCH better with firmware

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Beirdo:

hehe

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stuarta:

funny that

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Beirdo:

imagine that :)

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stuarta:

never would have thought it

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Beirdo:

let's try a scan

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Beirdo:

I guess I can install myth on the fileserver sometime :)

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malwart:

Just in case someone happens upon this log. I fixed my Plextor static problem thanks to this URL: http://forums.divx.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f . . . /r/528108752

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malwart:

I had to run through the mythfrontend setup and select default values. Whatever!

[14:00:16]

Beirdo:

BAH

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Beirdo:

won't lock on the PBS station

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Beirdo:

heh

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Cyberai:

I'm setting up my mythbox for the first time. I'm running mysql 5.0.22 and when I try to run mythfilldatabase, I get an error about "Table 'mythconverg.dd_v_program' doesn't exist". Google hasn't helped much. Can anyone help me out here?

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Beirdo:

and the one it will lock to gets lots of unc

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Beirdo:

I'll go mess with the antenna later

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stuarta:

Cyberai: did you run through all the rest of the setup?

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Aid`:

hey anyone use LVM in here?

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** stuarta nods **

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Cyberai:

stuarta – absolutely

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dev:

ive seen you ask that question a lot hehe

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Aid`:

yeah well im going to need help with it soon

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stuarta:

dev: tables missing normally equals database not setup properly

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dev:

i agree

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dev:

thank god i dont have any missing tables! ;)

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stuarta:

dev: and I learnt a long time ago. ask the stupid questions first, to make sure the simple things have been done.

[14:09:09]

stuarta:

call it my debugging method if you want :)

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dev:

hehe

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Cyberai:

well, I followed direction from here – http://www.abarbaccia.com/content/view/15/29/

[14:09:47]

dev:

my debugging method is a sledgehammer and a stake

[14:09:54]

Aid`:

how do i make 2 drives into LVM then make them as one?

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Cyberai:

more precicely, from here – http://www.abarbaccia.com/content/view/17/32/

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stuarta:

dev: sounds like the Buffy method

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dev:

hehe

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reze:

Aid`: better try reading an LVM manual

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reze:

this is nothing to be explained by the way

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Aid`:

why not

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Cyberai:

stuarta – would you mind glancing at http://www.abarbaccia.com/content/view/17/32/ , and telling me if there is a step missing or something wrong with those instructions?

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stuarta:

Aid`: decided what you want raid-0 raid-1 first.

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reze:

cause you can seriously damage your data

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Aid`:

raid-0 or raid-1 whats that

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reze:

omg

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dev:

heh

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reze:

rtfm

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dev:

ive seen aid ask: anyone here use lvm? like seriously 10 times

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stuarta:

Cyberai: you will have to verify if the mythconverg database has been created & populated

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reze:

;)

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dev:

each time he's told to read the fucking manual heh

[14:12:46]

reze:

hrr hrr

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reze:

I can understand when someone really needs help with a _problem_

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Aid`:

dev its more like 6 or 7

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** stuarta throws RAID6 at Aid **

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Cyberai:

at the risk of revealing what a total mysql nood I am, how the heck do I do that?

[14:13:29]

reze:

but nobody wants to explain all the stuff in the manuals

[14:13:49]

Aid`:

well is there anyother way than LVM? because LVM says its not 'cluster aware'

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dev:

its different when you say "ive done x and y is happening and im not sure why".. but to go "how do i setup lvm?" is like..

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reze:

sure...don't use lvm

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opello:

raid or lvm, hardware or software

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Cyberai:

Aid, LVM is not precisely cluster aware, but can be used in a cluster if done properly

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stuarta:

Cyberai: i'd do 'mysql -u root mythconverg' then 'show tables;'

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Aid`:

opello: what doyou mean

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dev:

cybersai: just please dont paste the entire output for us if something comes back ;)

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Cyberai:

Aid, the way I accomplished it was by using a hardware based RAID controller that can create LVM over RAID. Then the Hardware RAID controller presents the LVM to the OS as a single device.

[14:16:19]

Aid`:

is the probably the easierway?

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Cyberai:

Aid, you can then cluster the resource by using dual SCSI connections or fiber or whatever.

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stuarta:

LVM is *advanced* unix....

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stuarta:

Cyberai: he needs to learn raid0 & raid1 first :)

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dev:

with a hardware raid controller why would you need to use lvm?

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Cyberai:

thanks stuarta, as you can see, im advanced in some stuff, but databases are not my schtick.

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stuarta:

Cyberai: i'd noticed :)

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opello:

heh i was wondering that too dev, unless it was to 'soft' partition it?

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stuarta:

dev: because.

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Cyberai:

dev – when you need to add space without having any partition walls

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dev:

use a growable filesystem like xfs or something

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** stuarta has a new favourite answer 'because'.... **

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Aid`:

is an Ultra cardd, a RAID card?

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opello:

not always

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stuarta:

insufficient information

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Cyberai:

well, maybe that wasn't phrased best, but the idea is that with LVM I can add disks and the amount of disk space available to my users grows in a fluid way.

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Cyberai:

you can do it that way dev, but LVM is a lot more elegant and easier to manage in that respect.

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dev:

yeah i understand why

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dev:

cool beans, at least you have a reason

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dev:

and not just 'because!'

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** dev ducks from stuarta **

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dev:

hehe

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TruBl_:

ok so I have a good channels.conf. Where is it meant to live ?

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Aid`:

I have an Ultra-66. that isn't considered a raid card is it?

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stuarta:

dev: the answer was only because, due to the way it was asked and previously supplied information

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dev:

sutarta: i know dude its all goods, was a joke

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stuarta:

:)

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dev:

jokes and text dont go together well

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dev:

hehe

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** stuarta needs beer **

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dev:

amen brotha

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TruBl_:

ok so I have a good channels.conf. Where is it meant to live ?

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dev:

though its only 10:21am here

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stuarta:

15.21

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** stuarta goes back to his servers... **

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Aid`:

how would I go about making a RAID card display hds as one?

[14:22:04]

dev:

configure it

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Cyberai:

stuarta – could you take a look at http://pastebin.com/718464 for me?

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jams:

TruBl_- think it can live anywhere, you just have to give myth the path when you import it.

[14:22:31]

Aid`:

dev: its all software that i gotta mess with, not anything on the card itself?

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opello:

Aid`: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/

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TruBl_:

jams: how do I import it ?

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Aid`:

opello: im there already

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stuarta:

Cyberai: that's pretty normal. the table it was requesting is odd. almost like it's trying to create a view of that table

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dev:

Aid`: if you have a hardware raid card which i doubt, its configured on the card itself during post

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** dev shouts into the wind **

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Cyberai:

stuarta – greek to me

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** opello mutters after post **

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stuarta:

Cyberai: ie. it's a non standard table which I've never seen before...

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Cyberai:

I just wanna know how I can fix it so I can get my mythbox back up. My girlfriend is gonna be ticked if she can't watch "So you think you can dance"

[14:24:26]

Cyberai:

oh great, a mystery problem

[14:24:35]

Cyberai:

I seem to have a knock for finding those

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Aid`:

whats a good raid card that i should get?

[14:25:03]

TruBl_:

jams: how do I import it ?

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stuarta:

what's you budget $50 or $50000

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Aid`:

about $100

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TruBl_:

So I have a channels.conf. What do I with it ?

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stuarta:

Aid`: Just buy the biggest hard drive you can afford then

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Aid`:

well i already have a 100 gb and 120 and i'd like the put them together

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jams:

TruBl_- it's an option in the mythtv-setup screen

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dev:

you spin me right round baby right round like a record baby right round right round

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Cyberai:

Aid, if they are both installed already, then use the howto opello suggested to get them set up in LVM

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stuarta:

Aid`: and you don't mind losing *all* the data if one of them dies, then do learn LVM

[14:27:52]

Aid`:

what do you mean by die, as in totally mess it up beyond repair?

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stuarta:

lvm relies on reliable media. a single disk is not reliable, since it can fail

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dev:

poof, pop, no longer worky, etc

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Aid`:

what im asking is if i do use LVM is there a greater chance of disk failure?

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stuarta:

no, same chance of disk failure, 2x chance of data loss due to failure

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Aid`:

why is data loss greater?

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stuarta:

2 disks

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Aid`:

ahh i see now :p

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TruBl_:

I have tonnes of entries in my Guide that say "unknown". How do I get rid of these ?

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stuarta:

you have 2 single points of failure in a filesystem build on top of lvm raid0

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stuarta:

TruBl_: that's what's shown when there is no info

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Aid`:

so if im going to do this should i loo kat the lvm how-to or is there soemthing i should look at first?

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Cyberai:

look at the LVM howto first

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stuarta:

Aid`: read the lvm howto, top to bottom...

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Aid`:

okay sir

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Aid`:

thank you

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Cyberai:

and also find a good web doc explaining the different versions of RAID, goole should get you several

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dev:

http://www.slate.com/id/2143243/

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dev:

^ thats great

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TruBl_:

stuarta: where is the info meant to come from ?

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stuarta:

dev: that's no good for raid levels :)

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stuarta:

TruBl_: your grabber

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dev:

haha

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TruBl_:

Where does myth get the "Channel Frequency Table" from ?

[14:34:38]

TruBl_:

And is the Channel Frequency channel the "channels.con' file ?

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Cyberai:

stuarta – I may have a more revealing error message

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Cyberai:

I went back and triple checked my instructions and realized that I had copied and pasted an instruciton from the web page and not realized the command I pasted was incomplete

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Cyberai:

S I just tried to run UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('<your password here>') WHERE user='root';

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Cyberai:

and I got "ERROR 1146 (42S02): Table 'mythconverg.user' doesn't exist"

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TruBl_:

If I have multiple tv_grab_au file. Which one will MythTV use ?

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stuarta:

the user tables is in mysql db not mythconverg db

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Cyberai:

that definitely indicates to me that the database is foobared

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Beirdo:

nope

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stuarta:

Cyberai: I'd go back to the first step before the install, since that is likely where the database is populated

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Cyberai:

ok, swithced to database myswl and ran it again and its ok

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stuarta:

Beirdo: you talking to yourself again?

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Cyberai:

ok stuarta

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Cyberai:

im on it

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

no

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Beirdo:

just butting in ;)

[14:40:31]

Beirdo:

so the card works now, but I need to actually setup myth on that box to be able to capture squat

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stuarta:

Cyberai: since you've fixed the user in mysql db, you might be able to get away with redoing the grabber

[14:41:35]

Beirdo:

stuarta, any PID in particular I should snoop for interesting data?

[14:42:08]

stuarta:

atsc, those pids mentioned before, think 0x0 has stuff as well.

[14:42:13]

Cyberai:

nope, it still blows up

[14:42:34]

Beirdo:

mentioned before? I musta missed that

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stuarta:

in your first pastebin with the scan. 0x1ff etc

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Beirdo:

oooh

[14:43:15]

Beirdo:

heh

[14:43:17]

Beirdo:

duh

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Cyberai:

stuarta – I remember when I set my box up the first time under fedora, I had to pump the data from some file into mysql to populate the database. Now with these instructions for ubuntu, I see no such step.

[14:43:36]

Beirdo:

I so need coffee

[14:43:39]

Cyberai:

perhaps thats part of it?

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stuarta:

that's why i was wondering if the db had been setup....

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onetwo:

I've been fiddling with szap and cannot get a signal lock on where I think that BBC HD feed should be. Can anyone confirm I have the right bits in my channels.conf? BBC HD:10847:v:0:22000:2318:2320:6940. I took them from kingofsats.

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stuarta:

onetwo: i'd check on lyngsat

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onetwo:

stuarta : the only difference between them is the audio, but whichever I try I get no lock. I get lock on cbeebies for instance.

[14:49:52]

SunTzuTech:

two quick questions: is there a nice easy (not cli) way to edit a show's description (ie make it more specific), and do you have to manually remove old files, or is there some mythweb way to clean them up?

[14:50:22]

stuarta:

erm, no & no... :(

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stuarta:

oh & no.

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SunTzuTech:

i kinda figured if you save the old pretranscoded files, you're supposed to know you need to remove them at some point

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SunTzuTech:

it would be nice to edit or add to a show's description from mythweb, though.

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dev:

ugh, 100%/99%/99% commflag jobs in the queue that apparently didnt complete

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dev:

guess updating to latest -fixes didnt help! :)

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dev:

hrm couple posts but no responses

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dev:

if my recordedmarkup table was screwed wouldnt that affect all commflag jobs

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dev:

not just start today on this mornings shows but work fine all weekend?

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stuarta:

its easy to test

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dev:

id have to shutdown my backend, if i run mythcommflag manually it doesnt scan anything new

[15:17:10]

dev:

right?

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Anduin:

dev: You can give it explicit parameters on which to work on.

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dev:

mythweb shows 2 jobs at 100% for commflagging, but they're still in a 'running state' in jobsqueue

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dev:

when specifying a filename it says program is already being flagged elsewhere

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stuarta:

it has a --force option IIRC

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dev:

yeah it does

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TruBl_:

when I do a: "alsactl store" and restart mythtvfrontend I get no audio output bec "something is using /dev/dsp". WTF ?

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dev:

but --force always scares me

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dev:

at least they're only 30min shows so this should be quick

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dev:

same thing happened middle of last week.. had to shut everything down, all backends, start them up, and it went through fine

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dev:

so i lowered cpu usage to 'low' since it was 'high' and checked out latest -svn and recompiled/reinstalled

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dev:

bummer to see it again

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dev:

73%/248fps

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dev:

faster!

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dev:

hehe.

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dev:

commflagged fine ;/

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Dagmar:

Does NFS have a 2Gb limit that anyone is aware of?

[15:25:34]

dev:

no

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stuarta:

interesting. send an email to the dev list, see who wants more info.

[15:25:40]

Beirdo:

Dagmar, yes

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denmaeth:

i was looking at buying a hauppauge pvr 500 then i found out it only has one coaxle tv input. i want to hookup 2 tv inputs – any ideas?

[15:25:47]

dev:

nfs does not

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Beirdo:

unless you use NFSv3 or higher

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Beirdo:

dev, shut it, you are wrong :)

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Dagmar:

Okay, thanks, I'll tell this guy so maybe he'll give #Kernel a rest then

[15:26:07]

Beirdo:

NFSv1 and v2 DO have a 2G limit

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dev:

oh.. heh.. where are you going to find nfsv2 these days

[15:26:08]

Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

it's standard in all nfs servers still :(

[15:26:30]

Beirdo:

you need to mount with nfsvers=3 to be sure

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dev:

there's tons of old shit that has 2gig limit

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Beirdo:

sorry, I'm cranky, I should go get my coffee :)

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dev:

ext2 + something else has 2gig limit on rhat9 and below for example

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Beirdo:

yeah, tons of old crap

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Beirdo:

eek

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** stuarta pours coffee into Beirdo **

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denmaeth:

anyone

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Dagmar:

I've honestly not seen a problem with large files since like 1998 so that dude saying he was having an issue with NFS threw me for a loop

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opello:

denmaeth: the splitter is built in

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dev:

oldass boxes was the last time ive seen it

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dev:

like redhat 9/7.3/bleh

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dev:

but there was something you could recompile to fix it and i totally cant remember it

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dev:

shadowutils or something man i just cant remember

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dev:

heh

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Dagmar:

usually involving the macro LARGE_FILES

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Dagmar:

I'm not sure how they managed to gimp 7.3

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denmaeth:

opello with a cable box input how do i get 2 cannels?

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Juski:

re

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denmaeth:

if the cable box is on hbo and i want to watch a 2nd channel

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dev:

hmmm so the 'automatic' commflagging is locking up

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dev:

but manually its fine

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dev:

guess once these recordings are over i'll have to restart things

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dev:

bleh its like windows

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dev:

magical errors and magical restarts slay the dragons

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stuarta:

it may be related to recent socket changes. may not either....

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stuarta:

that's why I suggest a post to -dev mailing list to find out who wants more info.

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dev:

arent you guys pretty careful about what you put in -fixes? im not running svn

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denmaeth:

i was thinking i would have the settop box input to one and staight cable input to the other

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stuarta:

though you said you updated to head

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Juski:

denmaeth: if the cable box is on one channel & you want to watch another.. you either get another cable box or just watch something you recorded earlier

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dev:

stuarta: no, i checked out latest -fixes from svn

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stuarta:

ahh.

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tank-man:

user error? :)

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dev:

it has to be

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stuarta:

don't see how...

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dev:

but manually i can commflag anything, when backend does it automaticlaly they lock at 99%/100%

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tank-man:

commflag detection method?

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stuarta:

lock as in die at 99% complete, or 99% cpu usage

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dev:

'all'

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dev:

and strict enabled

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dev:

lock as in die at 99%, no more commflag process

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tank-man:

try different method

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dev:

hrm..

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denmaeth:

Juski, then how do i hookup the second cable box to the pvr500

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dev:

ive been running 0.19 since it was released and its worked fine since it was released

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dev:

if i restart mythbackend, it will work fine again

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dev:

perhaps for another week heh

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tank-man:

you also have it detecting commercials as it records or after its finished recording

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tank-man:

?

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dev:

as it records

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tank-man:

try settings it to after

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dev:

i had it at high cpu usage, which was different for me, i always used low up until last week. so i set it back down to low after it did this last week

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dev:

aw i love on the fly

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tank-man:

denmaeth, cant

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tank-man:

denmaeth, get another cap card

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tank-man:

if its detecting it live, set it to high

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denmaeth:

tank-man, ok thats what i was thinking – like 2 pvr 150 or 2 pvr 350

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Juski:

denmaeth: you'll be needing the 'optional' AV connector plate then

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denmaeth:

Juski, and that would work with the pvr 500?

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denmaeth:

thats the little white plugs on the card right

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opello:

it comes with one now

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opello:

or should ...

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Juski:

denmaeth: as standard the card only has inputs for one side of the card but the tuner gets fed to both sides. you need the AV connector plate so you can record with both halves of the card

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Juski:

I think it's scandalous they shipped pvr500 cards with only one set of AV inputs

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Juski:

but understandable. mo money mo money

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denmaeth:

Juski, and the connector plate would plug into one of the white plugs on the card right

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Juski:

I dunno what colour they are but yes they plug into the connectors inside, on the card

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denmaeth:

ok great

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denmaeth:

just trying to do my homework before i buy thecard

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Juski:

now you just need to find out how to get the thing

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opello:

iirc it's the one farthest from the plate with the coax

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opello:

because there are 2 of the connectors

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Juski:

oh you've not got it... I think opello is right in that they now supply it

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opello:

yeah when i bought mine i didn't get one

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denmaeth:

ya it says optional connectors

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Juski:

I hear that samsung tuners are working better now – not that it'd be an issue if you use external AV inputs ;-)

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denmaeth:

or would it be better to just get 2 cards – the pvr150 or the pvr350

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denmaeth:

this is my first box

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Juski:

wah? don't buy a 350

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denmaeth:

ok

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Juski:

in some cases it's cheaper to get 2x 150 cards

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Juski:

(than a pvr500)

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Juski:

in these days of limited PCI slots, I'd personally go for the pvr500

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qu0zl:

aye me too

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jams:

huh my pvr500's came with all the connections

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jams:

did they really ship some without the bracket?

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opello:

i got mine pretty early :/

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Juski:

and since you plan to use external inputs, the samsung tuner issue doesn't matter whether it's fixed or not

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denmaeth:

i just want to be shure i can hook up a cable box to one side and straight cable to the other

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opello:

if the cable box has the 'rca' cables as outputs you'll get 3 tuners, 2 on normal cable, 1 from your box

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opello:

well, sort of :)

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denmaeth:

and the mother board i was getting only has 2 pci slots

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denmaeth:

opello, but will i get 2 diff channels at the same time

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denmaeth:

like can i record HBO and watch fox

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Juski:

denmaeth: if you only have 1 cable box and fox isn't encrypted, yesh I'd gesh sho

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denmaeth:

ok cool

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opello:

is the box just for hbo?

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opello:

or hd and stuff, too

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Juski:

some would argue it'd be worth the extra effort to get a firewire enabled box & do away with the need for a tuner altogether, but to each their own ;-)

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opello:

heh

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denmaeth:

where can i read about all the options?

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Juski:

option 1: best quality, HD cable box(es) with firewire output

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Juski:

option2: more than one cable box plugged into tuner card(s)

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Juski:

option3: one cable box plugged into a tuner's AV inputs and the regular cable going into another tuner

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Juski:

that's about the size of it

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Juski:

with option 1 you don't need to mess about with IR blasters or serial leads

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joss:

hi

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joss:

does mythv support mouse pointer as an input device for now?

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joss:

svn version 0.19

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Juski:

joss: no

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GreyFoxx:

Yes and no

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GreyFoxx:

It works on some menus but not in all places

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Juski:

it always did work on the qt menus

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joss:

Juski: ok, how can i make it use qt menus than?

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Juski:

you can't

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Juski:

I meant the setup parts of mythfrontend.. the inner workings

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joss:

well some discussion i can find concerning this feature.., directfb and mouse support etc.

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Juski:

some other things too, but not the main menus

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denmaeth:

i just looked and my cable box does not have firewire – and with firewire i would not need a hauppauge card at all

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denmaeth:

?

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denmaeth:

am i getting that right

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Juski:

denmaeth: basically. if you just want to record from the cable box, yes

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joss:

Juski. perhaps 0.20 does support it?

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Juski:

joss: saw something once about limited support for mouse gestures in SVN head a while ago.. dunno whatever came of it

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denmaeth:

ok let me try to get my head around that

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denmaeth:

thank you all for your help

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Juski:

the only use for mouse support in mythtv IMHO would be for touchscreens

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joss:

0.20 will have full mouse (and mouse gesture) support, so once that comes out

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jams:

in SVN for the main menus you can click on the menu items with the mouse

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Juski:

really? i tried that last time I ran svn.. unless it has to be enabled

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joss:

well ok, nice lets see wil compile svn here..

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Juski:

anyway 0.20 is a good way off

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stuarta:

catch you all later

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joss:

something new there also, wilverwolf have not tried this one

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dev:

later stuarta

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joss:

i guess this one doesnt use pointer as well

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jams:

mouse gestures also work, but it's easier to click on things.

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joss:

as same as freevo and others..

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joss:

jams: can you see pointer move on itmes and click top open submenus?

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jams:

yep

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jams:

its an option to be able to view the mouse pointer or not

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joss:

jams: so it works as stable, can you see any mistakes ?

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joss:

jams: option where?

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jams:

think it's in the appearance section

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jams:

joss it works for the main menu items only, the plugins and other screens have not been converted yet

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Juski:

jams: btw – any word on when/if the theme issue will be fixed?

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jams:

Juski- nope. My problem did go away with the addition of base.xml however it is a temp fix.

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Juski:

base.xml hmm? have to look into that & see if it fixes xris' issue with my theme

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Juski:

gardengnome: just looking at the handan website.. very interesting! http://www.handan.co.kr/pdf_spec/Spec%20Sheet . . . 20060613.pdf

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** gardengnome hates pdf. **

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Juski:

makers of the s100 also do HD boxen :-)

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Juski:

h.264 HD boxen ;-)

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gardengnome:

no hdmi :/

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Juski:

the box has hdmi, and tvs with hdmi are getting cheaper

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Juski:

anyway you can always convert it to vga :-)

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Juski:

I think something's gonna have to happen about embedded mythtv.. that'd be niiiice

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onetwo:

still trying to find dvb-s BBC HD:10847:v:0:22000:2318:2320:6940 – anyone got any better ideas?

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Juski:

if I had a dvb-s tuner & some spare time...

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scopeuk:

scanning?

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scopeuk:

dont even know if thats possible with s

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Coume:

afternoon

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gardengnome:

hi Coume

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Coume:

gardengnome, hiya :)

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Coume:

the pundit is working around 880Mb with xorg and frontend :)

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gardengnome:

nice

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Coume:

ok still needs a lot of tweaking... but I am watching liveTV through it right now... crappy setting but still works :)

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Coume:

in fact it is not that hard to create a frontend :P

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xris:

hmm, juski throws out a nice carrot about maybe fixing his theme and then he disappears....

[18:05:17]

xris:

anyone use linkedin? it's telling me that I need to add some non-US people to my network. :)

[18:09:41]

Coume:

xris, I opened the account ages ago... but since it is free I will be starting to use it more actively soon :) I don't want to pay anymore my other networking website

[18:10:00]

xris:

heh

[18:11:40]

xris:

well, if you want to add me, I think you can get to my profile here: http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=&key=3480710

[18:14:31]

Coume:

xris, do you know where is juski in his theme tweaked for lugradio?

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BockBilbo:

hello

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xris:

Coume: no clue

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BockBilbo:

:)

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xris:

BockBilbo: greetings

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** xris grumbles... response back from cyberestore is that my dish arm "probably" could be made to work with their lnb/bracket setup... **

[18:22:31]

xris:

"probably" sounds to me like it would involve zip ties and jb weld...

[18:26:21]

gardengnome:

probably sounds like "we have no clue what we're selling, but our money makes us happy"

[18:29:17]

xris:

well, they sell a dish.. kit with the dish costs the same as getting the bracket and lnb's separately, but it's $30 more to ship

[18:29:28]

Coume:

got to go shopping... see ya

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BockBilbo:

Ive just configured mythtv on ubuntu dapper with a plextor convertx, but i see the image in slow motion

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BockBilbo:

any of you know why might this be?

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BockBilbo:

anyway.. thanks a lot!

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xris:

crap, my backend won't stay running

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davey_:

hey hey

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xris:

holy crap, I can't even kill -9 it

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davey_:

just got a quick q, when i change channels it can take anything up to 15secs, and it always hangs on LM and states partial lock. From looking at the debug output it has tuned ok and EIT events are getting parsed, just wondering if anyone has seen anything similar.

[18:47:15]

Juski:

yep

[18:47:27]

Juski:

try svn for improved channel change times

[18:47:36]

davey_:

im on it :|

[18:47:40]

Juski:

I mean _much_ improved

[18:47:52]

Juski:

disable EIT for a bit then

[18:48:17]

Juski:

if you're in the UK, tv_grab_uk_rt is better on most counts anyway

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davey_:

i am, but use NTL so cant be arsed setting up all the chans

[18:49:02]

Juski:

erm... EIT is only for freeview

[18:49:14]

davey_:

uhmm no its not...

[18:49:19]

Juski:

you're not using a DVB-C card are you?

[18:49:23]

davey_:

aye

[18:49:34]

Juski:

no support for illegal stuff in here, sorry

[18:49:47]

davey_:

yess i get the free channels...

[18:49:58]

davey_:

all beeb plus ITV and ch4 are free as well as some other crap

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Juski:

yes but it's against NTL T&Cs – so long as you know

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davey_:

oh nos i best unplugs my telebox

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davey_:

:)

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Juski:

so erm.. the free channels then... you'd not be talking about that many

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Juski:

EIT is a proper resource hog on my svn system

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davey_:

plugging the feed into a tv or into a radio is also against their terms as its not NTL supplied equipment but the line splitters on every wall have a radio socket and the engineer isntalled it to the tv. ill try disabling EIT then, cheers

[18:52:24]

jieryn:

good day ... i'm using gentoo (no hissing please) and trying ot install mythtv with only the backend ... for some reason, this still has a dependency on QT .. any idea why?

[18:52:44]

Juski:

jieryn: it depends on the QT mysql libraries among other things

[18:52:59]

Juski:

string functions & loads of other stuff

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kormoc:

jieryn, so yes, the backend still requires QT

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jieryn:

weird

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xris:

oh, and now my mythbox is completely dead

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patel:

i am rather new to this, and i am not quite sure about how to get mythtv working with sky, anyone around to explain

[19:04:36]

Juski:

jieryn: what's so weird about mythtv needing qt?

[19:05:27]

Juski:

patel: well, you need a sky box & valid subscription for one thing

[19:05:32]

patel:

i got that

[19:05:43]

patel:

do i plug the output from the skybox into the tv card

[19:05:59]

Juski:

yup. best quality would be s-video

[19:06:02]

patel:

but what i don't get is how u would change channel etc on mythtv

[19:06:17]

patel:

do u not need the sky remote then

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patel:

or am i being silly

[19:06:30]

Juski:

for that you need an IR blaster to simulate the remote control changing channel

[19:06:54]

Juski:

an IR blaster or something called a RedRemote that plugs into the skybox

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patel:

so say i log in to mythtv web thing and say i want to record something on sky one

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patel:

how does that work

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Juski:

pretty much covered in the manual

[19:08:30]

Juski:

first you have to set up all the sky channels (with the right numbers) in mythtv-setup

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patel:

but how does mythtv get the source from sky1

[19:09:23]

patel:

does it have control to turn the channel over on the skybox

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Juski:

the xmltv grabber called tv_grab_uk_rt

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Juski:

you tell it about the channels you have then you enter each channel's xmltv ID so mythfilldatabase knows which channels to grab programme info for

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kormoc:

patel, an ir blaster is the key, it emulates a remote and is controled by myth

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patel:

ok

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patel:

iis that software or hardware

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kormoc:

that is a hardware peice

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patel:

ir blaster

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patel:

so i won't get it working without that

[19:13:48]

kormoc:

http://lirc.org/transmitters.html

[19:14:35]

kormoc:

http://usbirboy.sourceforge.net/

[19:16:25]

patel:

where can i buy one for

[19:16:35]

xris:

Juski: so what's this about a theme xml fix?

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patel:

so u have to make it

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patel:

cannot buy it

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snakejk:

Hello. I have one little question... I've been looking at the KnoppMyth and it keeps saying it will run off the CD as a front-end only. It says you need to have KnoppMyth installed on the backend already, but seems to fail at giving instructions on how to set it up as a backend.

[19:20:44]

snakejk:

Is there instructions on the backend somewhere that I'm missing?

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Beirdo:

time for the nearly daily afternoon thunderstorm

[19:23:56]

jams:

patel http://iguanaworks.net/ir/

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patel:

i still don't get it how does myth change the channel

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patel:

myth only has the signal from skybox

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snakejk:

Anyone know what KnoppMyth means when you need a copy of KnoppMyth already on the computer?

[19:29:52]

patel:

and if the skybox is on skyone myth will be getting skyone channel if u say record from a different channel how can it get the source from that different channel

[19:31:27]

Anduin:

snakejk: They have their own channel.

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snakejk:

Oh

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snakejk:

Sorry

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snakejk:

May I ask what it is?

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Anduin:

patel: The irblaster/whatever is just a computer controlled remote, if you have one it would do the same thing you'd do to change the channel.

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Anduin:

snakejk: #knoppmyth

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Juski:

ooooyeah!! 37 takedowns

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** Juski regains composure **

[19:36:12]

Juski:

yeh xris jams was saying earlier about a new .xml file for his theme that fixed the theme weirdness. I'll investigate it when I get round to booting my svn box soon

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Juski:

with any luck it'll fix the issue you've seen with my theme too

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Juski:

damn thread bumpers. I'll fix their noodle

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jieryn:

Juski: as i understand it, qt is a rendering library

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jieryn:

if i'm using backendonly .... why would it require a graphic toolkit like qt?

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Beirdo:

Juski, have a noodle!

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Anduin:

jieryn: Your understanding is wrong.

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Beirdo:

Argh, now I wanna listen to a Goon Show

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jieryn:

Anduin: please educate or give a link for why this is wrong

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Juski:

jieryn: look in the source code...

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Juski:

as I said.. string libraries, you name it – mythtv uses qt for it

[19:52:03]

Juski:

if you think it's unfair – fine. go off & write your own pvr :-P

[19:52:06]

jieryn:

that seems a bit overkill

[19:52:09]

Beirdo:

I wish it didn't, but it does.

[19:52:14]

jieryn:

i already do have my own ;)

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Anduin:

jieryn: You can visit the trolltech site and look at all the classes if you are unhappy with "lots of stuff"

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Juski:

you're not the PERL guy from the infamous ML thread are you?

[19:52:33]

jieryn:

calm down fellas, i'm not bashing this

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jieryn:

it just seemed like a simple dep error

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Juski:

hey look – I'm mightily pissed about a certain number of 'minimal' installs I've done recently taking up half a gig of HDD space

[19:53:32]

Juski:

bloat is everywhere, and with mythtv it's not as bad as it could be ;-)

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jieryn:

you guys really need to fscking relax

[19:54:03]

Beirdo:

we are relaxed

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Juski:

yep – this is relaxed

[19:54:16]

Beirdo:

yeah, myth could be uber-bloated

[19:54:22]

Juski:

you wanna see a flame war in here..

[19:54:34]

Beirdo:

but I still wish the backend were non-Qt, non-C++

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jieryn:

no thanks

[19:54:40]

Beirdo:

but I'm a purist that way

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jieryn:

good day Beirdo, thx for the help

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Juski:

lol thought not

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Beirdo:

heh

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Juski:

non C++? eeks

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Beirdo:

bye then

[19:55:02]

** kormoc would perfer c over c++ **

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Beirdo:

yeah, C++ is bloated, use C for daemons

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Anduin:

It could be perl, remember.

[19:55:44]

Beirdo:

but I do understand the use of common code between frontend and backend being a good thing :)

[19:55:45]

Juski:

yeh the actual program would be tiny, but the dependency list could be astronomical

[19:56:16]

Juski:

hell even bash scripts & crons could do the job of scheduling recordings

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Beirdo:

not much different in dependancies to use C

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Beirdo:

aye

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Beirdo:

that's what my online-radio grabbing stuff does

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Juski:

to do it with finesse, however...

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Beirdo:

perl scripts actually :)

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Beirdo:

which fork off shell scripts that run mplayer, etc

[19:57:55]

Beirdo:

but myth works well, I'm happy with throwing a bit more resources at the backend :)

[19:58:00]

Juski:

I've started to think more about embedded things, STBs & the like. if mythtv was less.. erm... more erm... anyway these things are in the long-term plan I gather

[19:58:23]

Beirdo:

yeah, I'd love to have it more embedded

[19:58:48]

Beirdo:

and if embedded, Qt should get used as little as possible to reduce the bloat (IMO)

[19:58:50]

Juski:

mythfrontend runs pretty well in 128MB RAM, I was surprised to find

[19:59:10]

Juski:

but erm.. how many STB style platforms have _that_ much RAM? ;-)

[19:59:19]

Beirdo:

precisely

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Anduril:

Is it possible to verify that a ACPI alarm really took place? I did: "echo '2006-06–19 21:40:00' > /proc/acpi/alarm" and thought I could monitor the time stamp like: "ls -l /proc/acpi/event".

[19:59:58]

Beirdo:

bloat-- will be difficult to do, but will be necessary for successful STB porting, I'd bet

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Anduin:

Future STB stuff is more likely to simply use the upnp stuff and forget an actual frontend (or be more like the mediamvp stuff)

[20:01:54]

Beirdo:

mind you, I've used Ada in an embedded system, so...

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xris:

Beirdo: btw, how much work to add a link dictionary to the bot? (presumably would require some sort of account management or something so we could add stuff to it)

[20:04:12]

Juski:

pity the xbox360 doesnt use upnp for video

[20:04:20]

Beirdo:

that shouldn't be too hard, I guess

[20:05:22]

xris:

would be handy, even if it was just a textfile to edit

[20:05:37]

xris:

(got sick and tired of always having to type the url for jarod's guide last week)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

make a URL command that returns a URL by URL's nickname or number or something

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xris:

yeah

[20:10:28]

Beirdo:

you should drop in a ticket for that ;)

[20:10:37]

xris:

I will if I remember. :)

[20:10:46]

xris:

nick + name + url

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xris:

!url wilsonet

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xris:

would return something like:

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xris:

Jarod Wilson's MythTV Guide for Fedora: http://.....

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dev:

or just make a google script

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dev:

cant tell how many times ive wanted to just !google guide_for_you

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dev:

i wrote one in perl if you want it for my bot on efnet heh

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xris:

could look into adding a %s type tag to the url thing.. then you could do something like: !url google search for this

[20:15:21]

xris:

Beirdo: what's the URL for your trac?

[20:15:32]

xris:

nevermind

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Juski:

ugh.. umbongo's cp command doesn't have the -g option

[20:15:55]

dev:

it would be helpful for helping people.. google search.. perhaps a limit of 2 searches every 5 minutes or something to keep down text flood

[20:16:16]

Beirdo:

dev: this bot is all C, perl won't help too much :)

[20:16:56]

dev:

yeah, so its just a suggestion rather than "here you go i made one already" hehe

[20:17:09]

dev:

unless youd want to execute the perl script, but thats kind of lame i agree

[20:17:42]

Beirdo:

yeah, and defeats the purpose of being light on resources, but a perl script for reference isn't all bad :)

[20:18:27]

gardengnome:

some kind of knowledge base might be even nicer. '<laga> MythLogBot: RTFM' will point users to the mythtv manual.

[20:18:32]

gardengnome:

and so on...

[20:18:38]

xris:

Beirdo: ok, ticket created

[20:18:47]

Beirdo:

thanks

[20:20:34]

** xris benoans his dead mythbox and his missing remote-reboot system (my wife is out to lunch with a friend) **

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xris:

gardengnome: exactly

[20:20:52]

xris:

MythLogBot: trout xris

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** MythLogBot slaps xris with a trout on behalf of xris... **

[20:20:57]

xris:

ah, cool, it understands its name.

[20:21:13]

gardengnome:

ah, i see that this was already asked for by xris ;) sorry, still sleepy from my nap.

[20:22:04]

xris:

Beirdo: should add a %s thing to the trout command, too...

[20:22:20]

** xris slaps MythLogBot with a %s trout.... **

[20:22:30]

Beirdo:

hehe

[20:22:47]

gardengnome:

because we've got such a nice thing just the other day for #mythtv-de and it's really nifty. now i have to type 'Falballa: svn' and it gives an explanation of the term and the url to trac to the luser.

[20:22:51]

Beirdo:

sure, a ticket for that? :)

[20:25:06]

nero:

Why can't a company make an auto-bill pay website that just works?? ACK!

[20:26:35]

xris:

nero: my bank's is nice. my bills even show up there in pdf form.

[20:26:49]

nero:

I'm talking the company taht is on the receiving end..

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nero:

Freaking utility company.. set up autobill pay.. said it would pay my bills, and just mysteriously stopped paying them.

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xris:

ick

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nero:

They claim the bank has been declining them, I called the bank, and the bank says there have been no requsts from the utility..

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nero:

And since all of my other bill pay (credit cards, phone bill, etc..) has gone through just fine.. ugh..

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xris:

Juski: anyway, if you get that page fixed, just let me know and I'll test it. heck, could even just tell me what to do and I'll try it on my box.

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stuarta:

evening all

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o_cee:

hello.

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** Juski has road rage :-D **

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Juski:

evening btw

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stuarta:

crap trip home?

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Juski:

nah. burnout 3 ;-)

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stuarta:

I'm off to the races on Thu for Ladies Day :)

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stuarta:

should be good for a bit of therapy.

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Juski:

hmm ladies in fancy hats ;-)

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o_cee:

re-installing my mythbox :) aren't there binaries for dapper of ivtv?

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Juski:

don't have a very high opinion of dapper after saturday

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gutano:

sounds like most of ivtv will be in the kernel at 2.6.18 release (read at ivtv site iirc)... that will be so nice

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** jams agrees with juski **

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Juski:

xris: I've just got a few things to do on my 0.19-fixes install box, then I'll swap the disk over to the one with svn on & start experimenting

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** stuarta never bothered to try... **

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Juski:

'minimal' server install – 500mb fgs...

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xris:

cool

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stuarta:

going to do my test amd64 debian install in the next few days. that should be small...

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Juski:

tried a minimal debian install too – was about the same, though I admit I could've done something wrong

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Juski:

right.. time to put the xbox controller down & do some stuff

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gutano:

I switched from gentoo to debian for a while (amd64 both), debian was very nice, back to gentoo atm (I really like it for developing)

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Juski:

I really need to experiment with DSL, but find a way to stop it using a loopfs wossname

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gutano:

should msg me if you have any problems installing debian, I thrashed around to run into most of them, heh

[21:12:13]

gutano:

thrashed around enough to

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Juski:

I got it booting off a USB disk without (m)any issues

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gutano:

nice

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gutano:

we tried to get a friends to boot off a pendrive, but came to the conclusion that the MB just didn't have support for it however hard we fought

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gutano:

was an via chip, small footprint deal

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Juski:

yeh well I've been battling with this little frontend box for a while – got it nfsroot-ing now though, but still way too big

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gutano:

=/

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Juski:

plenty of scope to make it smaller now though – I backed up the nfsroot dir today & I can experiment paring it down some

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gutano:

I wasn't reading conversation earlier, pardon if i ask a dumb question... are you booting from a cd? why such low install size requirement

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Juski:

diskless

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** stuarta wills his machine to compile faster.... **

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gutano:

what do you use to initiate everything?

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Juski:

gutano: the machine has no space for a fullsize HDD and I have no inclination to fit one anyway

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gutano:

hehe

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Juski:

it comes with a 32MB DoM

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gutano:

!

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gutano:

very nice

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gutano:

mind if I ask for a product link or model?

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Juski:

t-online s100 (yada yada yada yada brag etc) http://www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/s100/

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Juski:

celery 733M, 128MB, integrated everything, SCART sockets, SPDIF... built in IR receiver tied into the PS2 keyboard stuff, USB...

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gutano:

wow that is an embedded dream

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Juski:

heh. not a very fast gentoo compiler ;-)

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gutano:

haha

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gutano:

you get the case with it?

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patel:

sorry to ask again, but when u press the up arrow on the frontend to change the channel in myth how does it change the channel on the skybox so the next channel is displayed

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Anduin:

patel: It uses that fancy irblaster you bought back in step 1.

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patel:

i don't mean when u use the remote

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patel:

i mean when u change the channel on myth

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opello:

Juski: yikes, did you pay 300 euros for it?

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Anduin:

patel: It isn't magic, myth changes channels the same way you do (when it has to)

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patel:

so mythbox has to be near ur skybox

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Anduin:

patel: or you need to use something to bridge the ir gap

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Juski:

opello: did I hell ;-)

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patel:

what about a sky magic eye thing?

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Juski:

IR blaster == magic eye thing

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Juski:

(kind of)

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patel:

ah

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opello:

Juski: heh, that's the price i saw :/ kind of steep

[21:25:45]

Juski:

opello: check out ebay. silly, silly prices

[21:26:10]

opello:

aha, and probably more of a chance of getting in to the US

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Juski:

patel: your mythbox doesn't _have_ to be near the satellite box, but you have to get the infra red signal to the sky box somehow

[21:26:51]

Juski:

IR, or one of them doobries that plugs into the RF socket on the Sky box

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Juski:

http://www.heenan.me.uk/control-sky-from-pc/

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Juski:

and this: http://www.redremote.co.uk/serial/index.html

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Juski:

oh you buggers! how dare you change the syntax of a dhcp conf file

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patel:

this gets complicated

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patel:

lol

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Juski:

only complicated til you understand it

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Juski:

;-)

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coolego1:

why does my live tv freeze a little every 30 seconds or so?

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coolego1:

on second thought, I don't really care why; How do I fix it?

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** gardengnome ... **

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** Juski is going to bed. g'night all **

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vandenoever:

i'm trying to find 'Das Erste' in Munich with my Cinergy T2

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vandenoever:

ZDF is ok as are other channels

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vandenoever:

but 'Das Erste' is not there

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defaultro:

hey guys, anyone here uses lirc?

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gardengnome:

vandenoever: FYI, there's also a german channel: #mytht-vde

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gardengnome:

err, sorry. #mythtv-de

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vandenoever:

gardengnome: thanks

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jams:

defaultro- maybe

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defaultro:

:)

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defaultro:

do you know the max distance of wire that I can implement?

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Zambezi:

I'm having really big problems installing MythTV. And I'm not even sure what the problem is. myth and myth-database is not completly installed.

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stuarta:

dammit, i hate it when you watch one last episode before bed, & it's to be continued, so you have to watch the next one....

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Zambezi:

How do I start mythtv so I can set the password to the MySQL-database?

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tank-man:

in mythfrontend ?

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Zambezi:

I think I need help here. Finally I enter mythtv after so many problem. Can anyone guide my so I won't mess up this time?

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Zambezi:

Username and password should be what? "mythtv" on both?

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xris:

Zambezi: yes

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Zambezi:

xris, Thanks

[23:25:18]

Zambezi:

xris, I set the password in the MySQL-database. That's done.

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Zambezi:

xris, I allways got errormessages like (translated), Not completely installed. Can't access etc. Now I need to know what I should write when I was able to start "mythtv" in ther terminal.

[23:27:53]

xris:

Zambezi: what distro?

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Zambezi:

xris, Xubuntu Dapper drake.

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Zambezi:

xris, 6.06 I think it is.

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xris:

Zambezi: compiling mythtv by hand or installed via packages?

[23:30:40]

Zambezi:

xris, Installed via apt-get (so packages).

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xris:

odd. that should pull in all of the proper dependencies

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xris:

backend/frontend on the same machine?

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Zambezi:

xris, I installed mysql-server and mysql-client at first.

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xris:

shouldn't matter

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xris:

well, server is required

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xris:

Zambezi: did you create the mythtv database?

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Zambezi:

xris, I'm not sure about the frontend/backend, but I can look which packages I installed together with MySQL.

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Zambezi:

xris, No. I didn't create that.

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xris:

Zambezi: doesn't matter.

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xris:

ok, you need to create the mythtv database.. all of that is covered in the mythtv documetnation

[23:33:45]

scales:

anyone know the quick command to check the dpi ?

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Zambezi:

xris, This sounds pretty hard and sound like I have to reaf alot. :-/

[23:34:09]

xris:

Zambezi: read != hard

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xris:

just search the documentation for mc.sql — then you'll be in the right section

[23:34:51]

Zambezi:

xris, Reading is boring. I hate to read. I really, really hate to read.

[23:34:53]

gardengnome:

understanding stuff is the hardest part ;)

[23:35:19]

xris:

Zambezi: generally, people won't help those who don't put at least a little effort into helping themselves.

[23:35:23]

gardengnome:

Zambezi: then you should pay someone to do it for you. mythtv won't give you much pleasure this way.

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[23:35:53]

xris:

Zambezi: if you want everything done for you, install knopmyth... then most stuff will be done for you

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Zambezi:

xris, laga I know, but I can't relax. That't a problem.

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** xris can't make the connection with relaxation **

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laga:

neither do i. are we talking ADS here?

[23:37:03]

laga:

or rather ADHS...

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laga:

s/do/can/

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Zambezi:

xris, How much time will it take to read and make the database? How hard is it? Everything depens on the time and how hard it is.

[23:40:42]

xris:

make the database, very easy — one command.

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Zambezi:

xris, I haven't used Linux for a week.

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xris:

read, well, that's up to you

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Zambezi:

xris, I ask you very polite, may you give it the command to me? I'll try to read when I'm a little bit les stressed. It's too much to do right now.

[23:42:54]

laga:

i'd suggest that you do whatever is needed to get rid of your stress and get back to mythtv when you feel better :)

[23:43:09]

laga:

but oh well, i'm in the mood for spoon-feeding

[23:43:18]

laga:

mysql -u root < /usr/local/share/mythtv/mc.sql

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laga:

IIRC

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laga:

might be 'mysql -u root < /usr/share/mythtv/mc.sql', too.

[23:43:51]

laga:

umm.

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laga:

wait, you're on ubuntu. did you do an apt-get install mythtv?

[23:44:21]

Zambezi:

laga, I will, but it takes some time. I have alot of problems right now.

[23:45:10]

xris:

laga: he said yes

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Zambezi:

laga, I already did. The password is set in the MySQL-database.

[23:45:37]

laga:

xris: sorry, can't be bothered to read the full backlog now ;)

[23:45:48]

laga:

Zambezi: well. you should be all set then.

[23:46:05]

laga:

the mythtv-database package creates the database for you.

[23:46:32]

laga:

anyways, i'm wasting my time here :) i'd better go back to studying

[23:47:00]

Zambezi:

laga, When I start mythtv it says it can't connect to the database. The login and password is mysql on the screen. Localhost where also there. A blue screen.

[23:47:00]

xris:

laga: well that answers some info for me.. he's having connection problems to the database.

[23:47:04]

xris:

then again, maybe mysql isn't running?

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Zambezi:

xris, I wrote sudo myql now so it a new line: mysql>

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Zambezi:

laga, I wrote sudo myql now so it a new line: mysql>

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xris:

Zambezi: no sudo... just: mysql -u mythtv -pmythtv mythconverg (notice no space after the -p)

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Zambezi:

xris, ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

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xris:

Zambezi: then the packages didn't set things up properly for you

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xris:

find mc.sql and do what laga said

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Zambezi:

xris, laga: I don't have a mythtvfolder in /usr/local/share/

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xris:

Zambezi: keep reading below that

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laga:

you'll usually find the password in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt with those packages.

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Zambezi:

laga, The second command did't work, but I have a mythtv-folder there.

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xris:

Zambezi: run updatedb and then locate mc.sql

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laga:

the db should already be initialized. if mythtv-database is installed. and setup properly.

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