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Saturday, June 17th, 2006, 00:01 UTC

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kayelem:

grndslm, 2.6 kernel with Ingo Molnar RT patch; jackd and ardour – and lots of lovely LADSPA DSP plugins...

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kayelem:

grndslm, for low-latency audio you really have to tweak the system a lot to get it to work. Fun, though... :)

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scales:

well after lots or time, i re-typed my lircrc file, and made a new lircd.conf

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scales:

and no dice!

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scales:

i start up lircd, test it with irw, things work, then i start up mythtv and no response

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scales:

ok i know i have been having this issue for a few days, but is anyone able to help me with this? i can post both my lircd.conf, and lircrc files.

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gardengnome:

if you really need to get it work, you could also try irxevent

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scales:

what is that one?

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scales:

one thing i found out but dont know if it means anything, irkick does detect my remote and keypresses

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scales:

i dont need that running do i?

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scales:

ok i will be back tomorrow

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markl_:

any idea how to get s/pdif to work?

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markl_:

it works with mplayer -ac hwac3, but not with mythtv

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thechris:

i am having issues watching livetv

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thechris:

it can't find a file and takes 20 seconds to time out

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thechris:

myth has no issues makeing files though

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thechris:

i dumped the database and reloaded the default db.

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thechris:

RingBuf(/tv//1001_20060616140755.mpg): Invalid file (fd 14) when opening '/tv//1001_20060616140755.mpg'. 12 retries remaining.

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sphery:

Any Trac experts in here? (Fighting Trac while trying to file a ticket.)

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Mattwj2005:

hey guys I need some advice....

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Mattwj2005:

I was wondering what graphics card works well for HDTV and MythTV?

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marmoset:

Mattwj2005: I'm happy with an nvidia 6200, I'm using the breakout box which gives me composite out

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marmoset:

Mattwj2005: depends on what your TV input is tho

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Mattwj2005:

I have been looking at GeForce4 MX

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Mattwj2005:

I want something with SVideo

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marmoset:

ah

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marmoset:

that should be fine then, assuming you don't need better than svideo resolution

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marmoset:

svideo resolutions are lower than hdtv, just fyi

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Mattwj2005:

yeah I am not even sure if my main system will even work as a frontend....I might just have to use it as a backend and my laptop as a frontend

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marmoset:

ah ok

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Mattwj2005:

marmoset do you have HDTV?

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marmoset:

I have geforce4 mx's on a few machines, they're nice cheap cards

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marmoset:

yeah

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Mattwj2005:

yeah that is why I want it :-P

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Mattwj2005:

my laptop will work well as a frontend...3.3 Ghz

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Mattwj2005:

marmoset what do you use for HDTV capture?

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marmoset:

pchdtv3000

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marmoset:

it works, but it's a bit of a chore to get it set up

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Mattwj2005:

does that have hardware encoding for analog channels?

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marmoset:

in terms of the channels

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marmoset:

I have pvr250s for the analog channels, so I've never tried the analog on the pchdtv

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Mattwj2005:

oh okay

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Mattwj2005:

what is your processor on your hdtv box?

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sphery:

rtsai: still around for a quick question?

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marmoset:

Mattwj2005: front end is an amd64 3000+, backend is an amd2500+ I think

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Mattwj2005:

oh okay

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Mattwj2005:

yeah my system is a 1.2 Ghz Celeron

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marmoset:

that would probably have issues playing back hdtv, but I'm not sure

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Mattwj2005:

yeah even if it doesn't....it is really going to be pushing it

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Mattwj2005:

that is why I am getting a Xvmc capable graphics card....I am hoping it will help a lot

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marmoset:

eh, I've had issues with xvmc, but others have had luck

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Mattwj2005:

I read on the wiki that a guy is running a 1 Ghz system with that graphics card and it works well for him

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Mattwj2005:

what type of issues did you have?

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marmoset:

I think the OSD was messed up, and it would crash sometimes. It's been a while though, things may have changed. I haven't had the need to use it (cpu wise), so I haven't bothered.

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scales:

when i put a dvd in mythtv, i can go and play it, but it is in french, anyone know how i can change the language?

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Mattwj2005:

okay

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Mattwj2005:

anyone ever use MythPhone?

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Anduin:

scales: which player?

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scales:

mplayer

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scales:

i think

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Anduin:

Try the # key

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GiantPickle:

Hello all... I'm trying to get mythtv installed on gentoo. I'm following in the wiki on how to do it. When it gets to emerging the perl module info I get the errors generated as seen here: http://pastebin.com/714228 I'm not sure what this means. Can anyone guide me a little?

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GiantPickle:

Is question better suited to #gentoo ?

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thechris:

RingBuf(/tv//1001_20060616140755.mpg): Invalid file (fd 14) when opening '/tv//1001_20060616140755.mpg'. 12 retries remaining.

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thechris:

i can't watch livetv because of this

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Anduin:

thechris: What else changed?

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thechris:

i've dumped the database and reloaded the default

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thechris:

Anduin: i was watching livetv while running mythtv-setup, trying to fine tune the reception on a channel

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Anduin:

GiantPickle: worth a try

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scales:

i got it,

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thechris:

i exited the "live tv" mode, then went back, except it didn't work.

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Anduin:

thechris: Anything useful in the backend log?

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thechris:

and now it just doesn't work

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scales:

i just added a line to the config file for mplayer, aid=128

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scales:

thanks

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thechris:

no, the backend log just says vbi errors

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thechris:

which i always get even when things work

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Anduin:

scales: hardcoding the aid only works until it doesn't.

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Mattwj2005:

what is better for MythTV GeForce4 MX 440 64 MB or GeForce4 MX4000 128MB I would assume the 4000

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Mattwj2005:

what do you guys think?

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Mattwj2005:

anyone here? :-s

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Dagmar:

Whichever one has the most computational power

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Dagmar:

Memory on the video card isn't going to affect much. Just use whichever one of them was more expensive

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Mattwj2005:

okay...what about driver support? and just linux support in general?

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Dagmar:

I think both of those are still on the supported list with the most recent driver from nVidia

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Dagmar:

Newer (I think it started with FX cards) cards have a flicker filter that will do deinterlacing/interlacing on s-video out for you

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Dagmar:

You can check the README for nVidia's driver (without even having to download it) and see the list of supported cards

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Dagmar:

Anything not on the supported list may still *pretend* to work, but will screw up, so you'd have to use the 6xxx series driver at that point, but that's mainly TNT2 cards and such now

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Mattwj2005:

I have seen good things about the GeForce4 MX 440 64 MB but I thought the GeForce4 MX4000 128MB might be a step up

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scales:

hello once more guys. i wanted to ask another opinion. i decided to test the lircrc file i made for lirc, by opening it with irexec. irexec reports bad file format errors for i think the first two lines and then stops reading. could there be some sort of package that i do not have? something that will is preventing my computer from reading this short script?

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Dagmar:

Mattwj2005: Well, I got an MX440 and the s-video output on it was awful because it was such a cheap card

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Mattwj2005:

anyone know the specs for the GeForce4 MX4000 128MB

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Mattwj2005:

?

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Mattwj2005:

yeah?

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Dagmar:

www.nvidia.com does

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Mattwj2005:

that is where I found the first one

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Mattwj2005:

:P

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Dagmar:

...although it might be easier to look at one of the older Video Card Roundups on tomshardware.com or anandtech.com

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scales:

anyone here use lirc?

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tank-man:

yea, but not right now

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Dagmar:

Mainly I just look for a name-brand 5200 card most of the time

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scales:

or would tell me where they got their lircrc file? i made mine in word, i am wondering if there is some unseen thing that is preventing mythtv from running it

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scales:

sorry i made mine in wordpad

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Dagmar:

scales: Possibly because Word is a crappy editor that uses CRLF

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Dagmar:

Oh, that shouldn't (hopefully) be munged like that

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scales:

could i just copy and paste my existing code?

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mchou:

scales: man, dont use wordpad for linux :)

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Dagmar:

Why didn't you just look up a proper lircrc for your remote?

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scales:

well i tried

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Dagmar:

literally everything has one

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scales:

i am using an ati remote wonder (not II or anything just plain)

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scales:

yeah

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Dagmar:

I bought one of those One4All PVR remotes (URC-9660) and had no problems finding an lircrc for it

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Mattwj2005:

I still can't find anything on the GeForce4 MX4000 128MB

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Mattwj2005:

:(

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scales:

i would still have to fix all the values on my lircd.conf file right?

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snoops:

hi, I've got a media pc with a tv2000xp leadtek tv card.. what I'm wanting to do is install ubuntu on that machine, then put mythtv on it. My question is if I put mythtv on it, will I be able connect to that tv card remotely? As in on my main work machine, can I open a program which grabs the feed and controls that tv card from the media center pc?

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Dagmar:

snoops: A frontend should have no problems controlling a backend

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Mattwj2005:

well I found something thanks for your help guys :)

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mchou:

snoops: media center pc is windows terminology

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snoops:

sorry I meant media center pc as that's its function

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mchou:

snoops: you done good to confuse us all on what you meant

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snoops:

basically can I stream and control mythtv from other computers on the network (some windows and some linux)?

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mchou:

snoops: you can control mythtv backend from other mythtv frontends

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snoops:

okay, and the frontend is only for linux, so that leaves out the windows pcs on the network.. I guess I can live with that

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mchou:

snoops: there is no native windows controls but you can use vnc or xforwarding over ssh for that if you want

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marmoset:

Mattwj2005: in my experience, geforce2 and greater all work fine for normal svideo, and are supported by the binary nvidia driver, the only issues you might run into are with brand new high end cards

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Mattwj2005:

okay sounds good

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mchou:

marmoset: what issues?

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snoops:

vnc couldn't provide a steady video to windows box though.. I'd get 2 frames per second.. which is a bit redundant

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marmoset:

mchou: there's apparently some of the nvidia theatre ones or something that don't wokr

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Mattwj2005:

it sounds like the Nvida cards have Mpeg2 which is supported under Mythtv

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mchou:

snoops: you said "control", not watch :)

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snoops:

thought watch was covered by stream

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marmoset:

and brand new cards often aren't supported by drivers right away, so as long as it's not a cutting edge card, it should be fine

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mchou:

marmoset: nvidia theatre? what's that?

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marmoset:

mchou: dunno, someone was just talking about it last night

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mchou:

snoops: if the recordings are mpeg you should have no problems watching/streaming

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snoops:

oh I don't want to record them

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snoops:

I want to watch the live video feed from the tv card on other computers

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mchou:

snoops: using windows media player or what ever crappy windows players

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grndslm:

anybody here capable of troubleshooting an ivtv problem with a pvr-500 on dapper drake??

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scales:

well son of a gun, i got it working!!!!!!

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scales:

hah i just used another lircrc file online , must have been something with the way i coded mine

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scales:

thank you gentlemen

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marmoset:

scales: time for a beer to celebrate

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scales:

ha yeah

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scales:

i have spent like 5 days on this stupid remote

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scales:

i was loosing it bout a few hours ago

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grndslm:

can anybody help me? problem ----> after invoking dmesg, this is the first error of my second tv tuner on my pvr-500: "PCI: No IRQ known for interrupt pin A of device 0000:02:09.0. Please try using pci=biosirq."

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grndslm:

i've tried using different ivtv drivers and it doesn't help

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mchou:

grndslm: that's "normal," and unlikely to be solved by changing ivtv drivers

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grndslm:

really...there're more errors for the second card...

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mchou:

grndslm: put output of lspci in pastebin

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grndslm:

well, ivtv related stuff is here: 0000:02:08.0 Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc iTVC16 (CX23416) MPEG-2 Encoder (rev 01)

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grndslm:

0000:02:09.0 Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc iTVC16 (CX23416) MPEG-2 Encoder (rev 01)

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grndslm:

should dmesg say this?? --> [ 87.428031] ivtv1: Failed to register irq -16

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grndslm:

[ 87.433717] ivtv1: Error -16 on initialization

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grndslm:

[ 87.433739] ivtv: probe of 0000:02:09.0 failed with error -16

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grndslm:

i've never seen that before

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mchou:

grndslm: no, that's not normal as far as ivtv is concerned.

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grndslm:

exactly....what's wrong?

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mchou:

grndslm: just put output of lspci in pastebin

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mchou:

grndslm: and cat /proc/interrupts while you're at it

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grndslm:

http://pastebin.com/714358

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grndslm:

and the output of dmesg -----> http://pastebin.com/714361

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mchou:

grndslm: reboot with pci=routeirq on the command line

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grndslm:

how do i do that?

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grndslm:

at grub enter that?

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mchou:

actually, I meant pci=biosirq

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mchou:

yup

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grndslm:

aight...brb

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grndslm:

mchou, there's a problem

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grndslm:

i can't use my usb keyboard before the drivers are loaded

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mchou:

lol

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grndslm:

the bios doesn't support my keyboard

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mchou:

well, get a ps2 kb then

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grndslm:

dang, i don't have any more...this is lame

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mchou:

why complicate life buy using usb kb?

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grndslm:

wireless

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grndslm:

simplicity

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mchou:

there are wireless ps2kb

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Mattwj2005:

what will the extra memory help with?

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Mattwj2005:

it must do something

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mchou:

grndslm: otherwise modify grub and put that the command line arguments there

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grndslm:

soo...can i pass those parameters to the kernel before i restart to grub

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mchou:

grndslm: nope

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marmoset:

sure you can

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marmoset:

put it in /boot/grub/menu.lst or whatever it is

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grndslm:

sweet, i'll check it out

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mchou:

marmoset: dude, that's what I just said

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mchou:

marmoset: (22:38:22) mchou: grndslm: otherwise modify grub and put that the command line arguments there

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marmoset:

yeah, I see that

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marmoset:

Mattwj2005: extra memory on a video card? it's generally used for textures in fancy games, beyond about 64MB and you're not going to see a difference for anything but high end games

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grndslm:

anyway, i put it after "root=/dev/hda1"??

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grndslm:

or just anywhere on the "kernel" line

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grndslm:

??

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marmoset:

grndslm; I put my options at the end of the kernel line yeah

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grndslm:

testing

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marmoset:

grndslm: the only thing is, if you screw it up somehow, you will only be able to fix it with a ps2 keyboard ;)

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marmoset:

so you may be trading pain now for pain later, but no guts no glory :)

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marmoset:

there's usb -> ps2 adapters too, fwiw

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grndslm:

i've got guts

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marmoset:

you could get the adapter to have around just for that

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grndslm:

i'm sure i have one somewhere, but i'm really feeling lazy right now

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marmoset:

it does irk me that grub doesn't do usb keyboards, but sometimes there's a legacy option in the bios that'll let it work with grub

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grndslm:

looks like it's booting normally

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marmoset:

coo

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marmoset:

dunno if that'll end up fixing your driver issue, but at least you got there

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tefol:

does anyone know what frequency to set my pvr to; it is connected to my foxtel digital cable box, not a terrestrial aerial.

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grndslm:

if it doesn't work, i want my money back

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Mattwj2005:

ok thanks marmoset....will it help Mythtv at all?

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grndslm:

hmm....i'm getting the same error messages in dmesg

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marmoset:

Mattwj2005: not over 64MB (rough guess) or so

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grndslm:

i must have done this mythtv install 30 times now, and everytime i run into a different problem

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Mattwj2005:

ok thanks

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mchou:

marmoset: grub has nothing to do with "not supporting" usb kb

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mchou:

marmoset: that's a function of mobo bios

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marmoset:

mchou: sure it does

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marmoset:

mchou: I've seen plenty of machines that a usb keyboard will work in bios, but not grub

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mchou:

marmoset: well, then they ought to use lilo

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mchou:

using usb kbs is just pointless and lame

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mchou:

ps2 works just fine.

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marmoset:

there's tons of reasons for using usb, the only reason to use ps2 is legacy

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mchou:

and I've seen plenty of usb kb that dont work with usb/ps2 adapter

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grndslm:

nobody's got a clue as to why ivtv1 failed to register irq -16??

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mchou:

marmoset: like?

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grndslm:

whatever that means

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marmoset:

grndslm: afaik irq's should ever be negative

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mchou:

marmoset: ps2 work just fine.

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grndslm:

it says error -16, that's all i know

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grndslm:

nobody's run into this before

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grndslm:

maybe i'll just restart from scratch once more

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marmoset:

mchou: ps2 pins suck, they get bent after a while. servers rarely have ps2 on the front, they often have ps2, same with desktop machines. usb has hubs, you can reduce clutter.

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mchou:

marmoset: dont be ridiculous, -16 is the error, not the irq

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mchou:

marmoset: lol

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mchou:

marmoset: servers use KVMs, and most kvms are ps2

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marmoset:

er

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marmoset:

haha

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marmoset:

yeah sure kvm

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marmoset:

let me know when you get in the real world ;)

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tefol:

my kvm is usb

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tefol:

works great...

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tefol:

has audio and sub hub.

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tefol:

er, usb, not sub

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grndslm:

my kvm is uwb

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mchou:

marmoset: lol, considering I work in the server divisions of HP and Intel that's a real world as it gonna get

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marmoset:

mchou: ok, believe what you want

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marmoset:

kvms aren't practical, no one in datacenters use them

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mchou:

marmoset: lol

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mchou:

let me know how you manage racks of servers and need a monitor :)

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marmoset:

anyway, my point is just that there's plenty of reasons to use usb

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marmoset:

you roll the cart up?

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mchou:

marmoset: haha!!

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mchou:

yeah, in a HA environ go find your cart

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mchou:

marmoset: meanwhile you get docked for the downtime

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marmoset:

what?

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marmoset:

I think you're on crack ;)

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grndslm:

i think my box is on crack

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mchou:

roll the cart up. that's rich

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marmoset:

mchou: that's how it's done in the real world, believe it or not.

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mchou:

assuming you can even find the right plug :)

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mchou:

marmoset: maybe in YOUR cheapass world

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marmoset:

mchou: so, kvm over IP?

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marmoset:

or just regular kvm?

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mchou:

kvm on a rack

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marmoset:

so just normal kvm then?

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mchou:

like those 16 port jobbies

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marmoset:

so 3 per rakc?

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mchou:

3 what?

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marmoset:

kvms

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mchou:

one kvm w/ 16 ports

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marmoset:

what about the rest of the servers?

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mchou:

marmoset: what about them?

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marmoset:

they're not hooked to the kvm?

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mchou:

heh, if you manage to fit 16 servers (not blades) in a rack you doing pretty good, believe me

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marmoset:

er

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marmoset:

what?

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marmoset:

1U is pretty much the standard

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

1 u might be standard but drives take more than 1u

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marmoset:

?

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marmoset:

4 drives in a 1U

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mchou:

haha!!

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marmoset:

if you want to go that way

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marmoset:

I generally go with 2 for raid and storage servers for large datasets

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mchou:

marmoset: 4 drives in 1u doesnt provide sufficient density

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marmoset:

for what?

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mchou:

for whatever

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marmoset:

ok, heh

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marmoset:

4*300GB if you want scsi, 4xwhatever if you want sata

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mchou:

if you use raid you gonna want more than 4 drives

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marmoset:

I mean, 2 for raid (IE raid 1), and separate, large storage servers for large datasets

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mchou:

lol, in a HA environment??

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marmoset:

as in high availability? what does that have to do with anything?

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mchou:

um, you pretty brave to be using raid 1 for servers

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marmoset:

sure

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marmoset:

most of them I could walk in and unplug and the money would keep rolling in

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mchou:

haha!!

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marmoset:

mchou: believe what you want, I'm through talking about this since it's not myth

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tefol:

I am confused about how to configure my new PVR150 card to work with my foxtel cable settop box.

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marmoset:

tefol: which part are you confused about?

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marmoset:

I've never used a foxtel, just an old motorolla one for regular digital cable (not hd or anything)

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marmoset:

er, motorola

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mchou:

marmoset: sure you're thru talking about this. The fact you suggest nobody uses kvms in a data center is patently ludicrous

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tefol:

when you're using ivtv-tune for that, what frequency do you set?

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mchou:

marmoset: you've never seen the rat nest of cables and connectors in the back of a rack apparently if you think you can roll up a cart

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marmoset:

tefol: hmm, I used svideo in with my cable box, you didn't tune it to anything

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tefol:

okay then.

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tefol:

I will have a bit more of a play, I guess.

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coolego1:

I have managed to get all the times in my system off by exactly one hour. System clock is set to UTC, but the local time is wrong. How can I change my time zone and make it so the times are correct? Does MythTV need anything done to it to change the listings or whatever?

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coolego1:

It claims to be in CDT, but I'm in the Eastern Time Zone

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Mattwj2005:

should I avoid the 5500 series?

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Mattwj2005:

is that too new for Linux?

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Mattwj2005:

or 5600 or 5200?

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marmoset:

Mattwj2005: I have a 5200 somewhere that worked fine, dunno about the others, the nvidia driver download probably has a complete list of supported hardware

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Mattwj2005:

any problems with your 5200?

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marmoset:

nope, worked great. I think it's still in my mame arcade machine (svideo out to a TV in the cabinet), just don't have it turned on now to check

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Mattwj2005:

okay....does your 5200 have DVI and VGA (15 pin) connectors on it?

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marmoset:

no, it just had svideo and vga

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Mattwj2005:

the ones I am looking on have both....I am just wondering how linux will handle that

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marmoset:

dunno, but my guess is completely fine, the 6200 in my hdtv frontend has dvi/composite/svideo/vga and it just works

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marmoset:

coolego1: using the binary nvidia drivers?

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coolego1:

trying to

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Mattwj2005:

you can select the primary display right?

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coolego1:

it doesn't recognize the TV as a valid option

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coolego1:

just the monitor

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Mattwj2005:

sorry graphic cards are not my speciality

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marmoset:

Mattwj2005: yes, but having more than one going (IE have a desktop that you're working on, and a myth frontend that's playing video) is somewhat complicated due to focus issues, or at least was when I tried it a year or so ago

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marmoset:

coolego1: xfree86 or xorg?

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coolego1:

xorg I believe

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marmoset:

ah, ok, I had a sample xfree86 config with svideo out, but I dunno how much it applies/helps with xorg

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coolego1:

I have an xorg.conf file, so I assume I have xorg

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marmoset:

yeah, I'd guess so :)

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Mattwj2005:

I only need to use the vga or svga port

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coolego1:

can I switch to xfree86?

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Mattwj2005:

I couldn't care less about the dvi expect maybe for future uses of the card

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marmoset:

coolego1: I wouldn't want to suggest that, I don't know what it would involve and probably wouldn't help

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marmoset:

Mattwj2005: ah, then yeah, you can totally do that

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Mattwj2005:

okay thanks

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Mattwj2005:

I got an order to place :D

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marmoset:

coolego1: is there anything in your xorg log file about the nv encoder? I get: Detected TV Encoder: NVIDIA in my log file.

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marmoset:

er, the tv encoder

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Mattwj2005:

thanks you guys....if I could I would buy you all a beer....assuming your all at least 21+ ;)

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marmoset:

Mattwj2005: it can all be a bit confusing, but it's worth it when you get it working. Takes a bit of tinkering (and enjoying tinkering) though.

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Mattwj2005:

yeah I do....I am hoping to be HDTV before too long...even if I have to use my laptop as a frontend

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coolego1:

marmoset: it says that it sees CRT-0 and TV-0 but only one display is allowed so it uses the first display

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marmoset:

coolego1: so are you trying to get both working, or just one?

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coolego1:

I only really need the TV

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coolego1:

I was going to try to use both for diagnostic purposes if necessary

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marmoset:

coolego1: I have " Option "ConnectedMonitor" "TV"

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marmoset:

er

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marmoset:

sorry, anywya, I have that option in the "Monitor" section of my config file, dunno if xorg has the same sections, but I'd guess so

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coolego1:

that may help... I tried "ConnectedMonitor" "Composite" and "SVIDEO"

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coolego1:

but apparently its "TV"

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marmoset:

coolego1: the nvidia readme file has a lot of information in it about the options and what the possible values are, fwiw

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coolego1:

sorry for stupidity, but where is that readme/

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marmoset:

depends, for me it's /usr/share/doc/NVIDIA_GLX-1.0/README.txt

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marmoset:

any luck with that connectedmonitor option?

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coolego1:

hang on, I'm trying to figure out if I can use "TVOutFormat" "Composite" or if I should use "SVideo"

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marmoset:

ah

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marmoset:

svideo if that's what you're using

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coolego1:

but I'm not

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marmoset:

oh ok

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marmoset:

I recommend it if at all possible, much better picture than composite

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marmoset:

but if that's all you've got, hey, better than nothing

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coolego1:

well, at least to test I'm going to run it on composite

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coolego1:

and then maybe move up to svideo

[06:53:41]

coolego1:

my DVD player has svideo and my TV only has one svideo input, so that's my dilemma

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marmoset:

ah, gotcha

[06:53:58]

coolego1:

granted my mythsystem will be able to run DVDs, but not quite yet

[06:54:06]

marmoset:

yah, totally

[06:54:13]

coolego1:

and I'm watching a DVD while I work on this thing, so that would be no fun to stop it...

[06:55:26]

coolego1:

do you know anything about my time zone issue I asked about earlier marmoset?

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marmoset:

I don't :/

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marmoset:

for fixing the machine time, it might be tzconfig

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coolego1:

it's really weird, because all the listings are off by an hour but they're all correct

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marmoset:

oh

[06:56:29]

coolego1:

for one hour off

[06:56:29]

marmoset:

do you mean it's recording an hour early?

[06:56:31]

coolego1:

no

[06:56:43]

coolego1:

it's recording fine but it says that everything's happening an hour earlier

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marmoset:

oh, heh

[06:56:48]

marmoset:

weird

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marmoset:

I dunno :)

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coolego1:

like right now my local time is 3:00AM, but my mythbox says it's 2:00AM and all of it's listings are correct for what's on right now

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xris:

coolego1: daylight savings issues?

[06:58:13]

coolego1:

don't think so, but maybe

[06:58:22]

coolego1:

still don't really know what to do about it

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xris:

use EDT instead of EST

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coolego1:

time zone claims it's CDT

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marmoset:

xris: was looking at the summer of code stuff, saw you got a helper for mythweb/ajax stuff, neat

[06:59:15]

xris:

and mythexport

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marmoset:

oh yeah that too

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marmoset:

congrats

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marmoset:

those are my two favorite parts of mythtv ;)

[06:59:36]

marmoset:

although I do like that nuvexport is in perl currently

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radi0head:

Sup guys?

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marmoset:

so it's a little easier to figure out when something goes wrong

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xris:

mine, too, go figure.. :)

[07:00:24]

xris:

well, the goal of having it all in one place means fewer things to go wrong, since it'll all be compiled in.

[07:00:42]

** xris goes to watch a cheesy 80's movie he recorded earlier today. **

[07:00:46]

marmoset:

hehe

[07:02:39]

radi0head:

I need help getting the LiveTV audio sync with the video. I've played for ages with alsamixer -V all. I have an old crappy ati tv-wonder borrowed from a friend, with an audio 2 ZS the audio cable is plugged in the "aux2" of my audigy.

[07:04:16]

radi0head:

Omg, I got it.

[07:04:23]

radi0head:

wow finally!

[07:04:30]

marmoset:

another #mythtv success story!

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marmoset:

;)

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radi0head:

W00T!

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radi0head:

Hmm, but I get some kind of "pops" "crackles"

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radi0head:

I'll investigate it.

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coolego1:

check your connections and your wires

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radi0head:

I don't think it's my connections/wires

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coolego1:

yeah but it's a good place to start

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radi0head:

Indeed.

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coolego1:

marmoset: I've now managed to make the video mode to TV, and it claims to be composite, but I can't get any video out of the X server

[07:08:43]

marmoset:

coolego1: so when you boot, the POST stuff does go to the TV?

[07:09:18]

marmoset:

but when the kernel boots the display goes dark?

[07:10:10]

coolego1:

hang on a sec... getting closer

[07:10:12]

coolego1:

PEBKAC...

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coolego1:

it works...

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marmoset:

cool, good work

[07:10:59]

coolego1:

definitely had the tv out wire connected to the s-video in on the TV card...

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** coolego1 feels stupid **

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coolego1:

now that it works, there's a scanline that runs up the screen. Is that because of the composite?

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marmoset:

dunno :/

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marmoset:

I went straight to svideo

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coolego1:

I may be creative and plug my DVD player through my TV card and then just use the S-Video

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coolego1:

any reason why I can't clone the TV out to the VGA?

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marmoset:

never done that

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coolego1:

Let's see... On my myth checklist I think the only thing left is getting mythDVD to rip DVDs, or running mtd properly

[07:19:28]

coolego1:

oh, and get the stupid time set

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radi0head:

OKay, I've tested the wires, they are fine, I wonder why the "pops/crackles"

[07:24:55]

radi0head:

I've checked in the TV playback setup, and there's an option for it, but it doesn't change a thing.

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coolego1:

I got the time zone corrected accurately

[07:37:12]

coolego1:

but then the listings didn't change, so I ran mythfilldatabase and I'm restarting

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marmoset:

coolego1: there's some — options that will force a refill of the database, fwiw

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marmoset:

if what you're doing doesn't work

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coolego1:

on mythfilldatabase?

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marmoset:

yeah

[07:42:12]

coolego1:

there's no man page :(

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marmoset:

mythfilldatabase --help

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coolego1:

there's no timezone setup in mythtv-setup is there?

[07:45:20]

marmoset:

not sure

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coolego1:

because that's a bit of a problem if I can't get this working...

[07:45:55]

coolego1:

because now the listings are actually wrong

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coolego1:

do I have to restart the backend or will it just be smart enough to update the listings without a restart?

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marmoset:

you may actually want to do a stop/start of the backend. I'm not sure how it works, but it may look at the timezone environment variable when it starts

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coolego1:

I'll probably just restart the system

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coolego1:

it seems to be the simplest thing to do

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marmoset:

cool

[07:49:37]

coolego1:

reboot has become my favorite command on this system...

[07:53:04]

coolego1:

ok, time's fixed...

[07:54:57]

coolego1:

now to get the myth transcoding daemon working...

[07:56:29]

coolego1:

should /var/lib/mythdvd/temp/mtd.log exist?

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coolego1:

mtd -d is asking for it

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radi0head:

Any ideas for my cackling/poping sound?

[08:08:07]

radi0head:

s/cackling/crackling

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coolego1:

has your capture card worked previously?

[08:09:17]

radi0head:

I never got the audio to sync before.

[08:09:40]

radi0head:

If I put it bac kthe way it was before, it doesn't crackle/pop

[08:09:44]

coolego1:

but it sounded ok before?

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radi0head:

yes

[08:10:15]

radi0head:

Since I managed to find out how to sync the sound(with this new setup) it crackles and pops

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coolego1:

so the software is supposed to be shifting the audio right now so that it syncs?

[08:10:40]

radi0head:

I guess, not too sure how it works.

[08:10:55]

radi0head:

I just know that It doesn't crackle/pop using xawtv.

[08:10:56]

coolego1:

what did you have to change to make it work?

[08:11:09]

radi0head:

But that's another story. since they are both totally different softwares.

[08:11:34]

radi0head:

coolego1; I had to play with alsamixer -V all

[08:12:08]

radi0head:

I can put it bac kthe way it was before, but the audio would be out of sync.,

[08:12:48]

radi0head:

so right now I have 2 choices, 1: out of sync/no crackles, in sync/crackles

[08:14:14]

radi0head:

coolego1; Check this out http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-7.html

[08:14:16]

coolego1:

well, I'm trying to see if the software or the hardware is changing the sync. If the sync is software based, it's probably compressing/uncompressing or something to do the shift. If it's hardware, then it's the sound card. I'm thinking it must be software

[08:14:47]

radi0head:

I'm afraid that I really have no clue there. :(

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radi0head:

coolego1; Reading the Mailing List Archive.

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Juski:

if you're getting crackly audio with a software encoding card you might be having problems with interrupt sharing or pci bus latency. you could try enabling/disabling 'use agressive audio bufferring' in tv playback settings within mythfrontend

[08:36:01]

radi0head:

Juski; I just tried using that option, it doesn't change a thing.

[08:36:37]

radi0head:

Juski; Maybe if I try to change the card into another pci slot?

[08:37:11]

radi0head:

Juski; http://mythtv.pastebin.com/714476

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Juski:

there's your problem. soundblaster

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radi0head:

Juski; Define "problem"

[08:39:05]

Juski:

soundblaster cards in linux....

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radi0head:

I heard they were taking a lot of power and stuff, I have problems with nvidia driver crashes back when both were sharing the same IRQ, now they are on 2 different IRQs, and no more problems.

[08:40:08]

radi0head:

I had*

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Juski:

apart from crackly audio

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radi0head:

Juski; What can I do?

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Juski:

you could also try lowering the capture resolution to see if that'd help.

[08:41:07]

Juski:

software encoding stuff needs a lot of pci bus bandwidth IIRC

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radi0head:

WHere can I find this option?

[08:41:32]

Juski:

recording profiles

[08:42:16]

Juski:

another thing about some soundblasters is that they don't do full-duplex recording, which you absolutely _need_ to work for mythtv

[08:42:34]

radi0head:

This is a Soundblaster Audigy 2 ZS

[08:42:36]

radi0head:

btw

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radi0head:

I paid fricking 150$ CAD back then!

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Juski:

that was a waste of money then – if only for the fact that most of the card's features are unusable in linux – add to that the fact that mythtv wouldn't make use of the DSP effects anyway

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radi0head:

But it rocks with my pair of bose headphones.

[08:44:23]

Juski:

I used to be taken in by creative's marketing bollocks too, so don't worry about it

[08:44:54]

Juski:

unless you're a windows gamer, they're no fscking use ;-)

[08:45:07]

radi0head:

Hell no!

[08:45:09]

Juski:

anyway try reducing the recording resolution

[08:45:14]

radi0head:

I just did.

[08:45:17]

radi0head:

To no avail.

[08:46:10]

Juski:

if you make a recording (not in live tv) does it play back okay?

[08:46:32]

radi0head:

Hmm, a recording not in live tv?

[08:46:54]

radi0head:

I'm fairly new in mythtv btw.

[08:47:28]

Juski:

schedule a recording to take place – make it a manual schedule, or a short show (about 5 minutes or so)

[08:47:28]

radi0head:

I've read all the "help" options, but still a bit lost.

[08:48:21]

radi0head:

K, i'm there.

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Juski:

then when it's done try playing it back

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radi0head:

How can I record something else than LiveTV? (I feel stupid)

[08:49:57]

radi0head:

I'm at the manual recording section.

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Juski:

select a channel and an amount of time to record

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radi0head:

done

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coolego1:

how do you stop mythbackend?

[08:50:57]

radi0head:

coolego1; killall mythbackend

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radi0head:

:D

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Juski:

/etc/init.d/mythbackend stop

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radi0head:

I only have mythbackend in /usr/bin/

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radi0head:

k, it's recording 1min.

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radi0head:

At channel 3.

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coolego1:

ok, myth partitions should be formatted for what FS?

[08:55:48]

coolego1:

reiser, xfs or jfs?

[08:55:49]

radi0head:

coolego1; ANything, I use reiserfs.

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Juski:

nothing wrong with ext3 in my experience but hey

[08:58:22]

radi0head:

Juski; K, recording finished, But I can't seem to find it in the /media library/watch recordings.

[08:59:07]

radi0head:

I can see it in /manage recordings/previously recorded.

[08:59:29]

Juski:

press M while in the watch recordings screen. change the group view to 'all'

[09:01:00]

radi0head:

When I press M, I see Change group view. Then there's no "all"

[09:01:38]

radi0head:

I have it!

[09:01:42]

radi0head:

nevermind w00t

[09:02:22]

Juski:

group filter ;)

[09:02:27]

radi0head:

yeah that was it :D

[09:02:36]

Juski:

play back the test recording

[09:02:44]

radi0head:

I'm playing it

[09:02:49]

radi0head:

There are cracklings

[09:02:58]

radi0head:

Seems a "bit" less though

[09:03:02]

radi0head:

Let me record another chan.

[09:05:05]

radi0head:

There is definitly less cracklings.

[09:05:42]

Juski:

from my experience with sb cards in windows, I remember they didn't like sharing IRQs with _anything_ else

[09:05:52]

radi0head:

Same for linux.

[09:05:56]

coolego1:

I need to copy my old myth recordings to a new HD, in my linux noobness, what's the command for copying an entire directory (or just imaging a partition I suppose)

[09:06:10]

radi0head:

nvidia drivers crashing hard when it was sharing IRQ with NVIDIA card.

[09:06:26]

Juski:

cp -avg works for me ;-)

[09:06:40]

radi0head:

cp -rfv

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radi0head:

r: recursive, f: forced, v: verbose

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Juski:

g will give you a progress indicator for big files too

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coolego1:

it doesn't like g

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radi0head:

coolego1; -r will do

[09:07:29]

coolego1:

but I can see where an indicator would be nice

[09:07:37]

coolego1:

but I put rfv in and it's working

[09:07:49]

radi0head:

coolego1; cp -r would do, althoguh using cp -rf is faster.

[09:08:07]

Juski:

yeh with -f it doesn't ask you to replace existing files does it

[09:08:09]

radi0head:

v to see sh*t scrolling by your screen.

[09:08:34]

radi0head:

Juski; Thesting next recording.

[09:09:33]

radi0head:

Juski; There are still cracklings, but a lot less!

[09:09:51]

radi0head:

Juski; Seems like the problem is my sb audigy 2 ZS.

[09:10:02]

Juski:

sounds likely

[09:10:15]

radi0head:

I have an onboard sound care which is disabled right now

[09:10:49]

Juski:

onboard audio stuff isn't bad sometimes... if a little bit hissy at high volumes

[09:10:50]

radi0head:

I wonder if there is a connector to plug my tvtuner in.

[09:11:05]

Juski:

prolly the cdrom audio connector

[09:11:18]

Juski:

don't forget to adjust the mixer settings ;-)

[09:11:30]

radi0head:

hmm, the cdrom connector?

[09:11:31]

radi0head:

wtf

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coolego1:

and I can tell that this cp is not crashing when it is copying a 1 GB file how?

[09:11:45]

radi0head:

I thought you had to plug the tuner -> soundcard.

[09:11:51]

radi0head:

At least that's what I use now.

[09:12:33]

radi0head:

Juski; ohhhhhhh

[09:12:48]

radi0head:

Juski; I get you now, you are talking about the cdrom audio connector on the mobo lol.

[09:12:50]

** radi0head is tired **

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coolego1:

nvm, it's moving

[09:13:03]

coolego1:

it's 5am local for me right now...

[09:13:10]

Juski:

coolego1: that's where the -g option comes in handy

[09:13:18]

coolego1:

it didn't like the -g

[09:13:24]

coolego1:

it said that it was unrecognized

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radi0head:

coolego1; Just du -cksh inside each dirs.

[09:14:13]

radi0head:

coolego1; You'll see if it takes the same amount of space.

[09:14:20]

Juski:

or do while true; do; clear; df; sleep 1; done

[09:15:00]

coolego1:

oh well, it's done anyway

[09:15:20]

radi0head:

hmm, the thing is, I don't want to use my shitty onboard card, this sb is giving me extreme sound quality. 24bit audio in my bose headphones.

[09:16:12]

radi0head:

But i'm 90% sure the crackling is caused by the soundblaster.

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radi0head:

You gotta love the rewind/forward, pause feature :D

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** radi0head gets a boner **

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coolego1:

well, that didn't work

[09:18:13]

radi0head:

coolego1; What didn't?

[09:18:16]

coolego1:

the copy

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radi0head:

coolego1; ?

[09:18:27]

coolego1:

I need to get everything from the /video1 directory and put it in the /video directory

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radi0head:

coolego1; cp -rf /video1 /video

[09:18:42]

coolego1:

my copy command made a video1 directory inside the /video directory

[09:18:48]

radi0head:

ah

[09:18:53]

marmoset:

coolego1: cd /video/video1 ; mv * ../

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radi0head:

yep

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marmoset:

then cd .. ; rm video1

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marmoset:

er

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marmoset:

rmdir video1

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radi0head:

rmdir

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radi0head:

:D

[09:24:07]

radi0head:

Juski; I have an idea, I have to reboot and change the wire to another connector on my sb, I'll be right back.

[09:24:12]

marmoset:

heh, flash web traffic is so crazy

[09:24:18]

marmoset:

normally this server is like 5 req/s

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marmoset:

now: 395 requests/sec

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coolego1:

anyone know how exactly overscan works?

[09:45:44]

coolego1:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frequent . . . rid_of_it.3F <-- I'm looking at this article. I don't have xvattr, but by what I can guess it's going to adjust the color around the video to be black instead of blue. Is there any way to make it just as big as the TV without sizing it down?

[09:46:50]

marmoset:

coolego1: have you tried messing with the TVOverScan option in xorg.conf ?

[09:47:54]

coolego1:

not yet

[09:48:10]

marmoset:

Option "TVOverScan" "0.8"

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marmoset:

etc

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marmoset:

see if it does what you want, try adjusting it

[09:49:01]

coolego1:

to make it load that configuration, I have to restart X, right?

[09:49:11]

marmoset:

yea

[09:49:12]

coolego1:

can you do that easily without restarting the whole computer?

[09:49:20]

marmoset:

sure

[09:49:27]

marmoset:

just gotta figure out what you use to start x

[09:49:28]

coolego1:

ctrl alt bkspace or something like that, right?

[09:49:36]

marmoset:

that'll kill X, that should work

[09:49:45]

marmoset:

also, /etc/init.d/gdm restart

[09:49:50]

marmoset:

or /etc/init.d/xdm restart

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marmoset:

or something

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coolego1:

meh, ctrl alt backspace works just fine

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marmoset:

cool

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coolego1:

I mean, it shuts down X, and then my configuration restarts X by itself

[09:51:52]

marmoset:

yeah

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coolego1:

is there a way to shift it without sizing it like overscan does?

[09:53:11]

marmoset:

I think you can tune modelines, but it's kinda tricky

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coolego1:

oh well, .7 is the magic number

[09:54:09]

coolego1:

now to rewire my house to make it look good

[09:54:31]

coolego1:

do you know how to use the inputs other than the tuner?

[09:54:34]

radi0head:

Juski; Just to let you know, I tried the a 1/8 wire from audio out of the tuner, to mic in of the soundblaster and I get the same crackling/pop.

[09:54:58]

marmoset:

coolego1: on what?

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coolego1:

what about running the audio out of the tuner straight to some speakers?

[09:55:07]

coolego1:

on a PVR-150

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radi0head:

Juski; I'll recompile the kernel and add my onboard sound module and go in the bios and enable it and remove my soundblaster (That's my next step.

[09:55:43]

marmoset:

coolego1: in myth you can select which one you're setting, in the input setup or something

[09:56:02]

coolego1:

right, but they have to have a channel set; obviously something that can't tune doesn't have a channel set

[09:56:47]

marmoset:

well, in my case I used it for a cable box, and the tuning was done via an irblaster, so you could actually tune it

[09:57:10]

marmoset:

I don't know what you'd do with an input that was just some stream that never changed

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coolego1:

like say an S-Video input that came from my DVD player and went through the TV card out the Graphics card into the TV

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marmoset:

ah

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marmoset:

I dunno how to make that work :)

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Dibblah:

Argh. Can we kill the guys that wrote qmake?

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Dibblah:

Please?

[09:59:04]

GenghisKhan:

hello. i can't get via xvmc working since i upgraded to dapper

[09:59:33]

gardengnome:

Dibblah: nooo! they were soooo cute in that qt4 dance!

[09:59:56]

Dibblah:

INCLUDEPATH defines where qmake searches for includes, right? Nope. Guess again – That's DEPENDPATH. Which monkey decided _that_ was a good plan?

[10:00:19]

marmoset:

Dibblah: standards are great, everyone should have one.

[10:00:50]

Dibblah:

On the plus side, it makes my patch possibly maintainable.

[10:01:19]

Dibblah:

On the minus side, it should be documented somewhere _apart_ from 3 words in the qmake docs.

[10:02:08]

gardengnome:

http://www.trolltech.com/company/newsroom/pre . . . chterm=dance – the qt4 dance.

[10:02:47]

Dibblah:

Ohkay...

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Dibblah:

Keep taking the happy pils.

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gardengnome:

pils? http://images.google.de/images?q=pils&oe= . . . N&tab=wi

[10:05:20]

Dibblah:

Indeed.

[10:05:26]

** gardengnome drools **

[10:05:48]

Dibblah:

Nah. You want Weissbier.

[10:06:00]

gardengnome:

i do prefer pils, actually.

[10:06:03]

Dibblah:

Can't be bothered doing the accents.

[10:06:26]

Dibblah:

If you get the right stuff, you have to chew it. Mmmm... Lovely.

[10:06:38]

gardengnome:

(there are no accents ;))

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Dibblah:

Need to find a good microbrewery, though :(

[10:07:10]

Dibblah:

That's OK, then.

[10:07:27]

Dibblah:

Ah. Okay :)

[10:07:46]

gardengnome:

there's no good beer where you are located? i've heard there are some awesome small breweries in the US

[10:08:07]

Dibblah:

There may be. But that'd be quite a pub crawl from here.

[10:08:25]

gardengnome:

there's still mail order ;)

[10:09:23]

Dibblah:

Yup. GF's dad is now on Pear cider. Not too bad, actually.

[10:09:55]

gardengnome:

then you gotta steal some ;)

[10:10:58]

Dibblah:

Again, that's a long trip just for alcohol.

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gardengnome:

it's not just for alcohol. think 'bbq with friends' or something like that.

[10:11:46]

Dibblah:

True. Shame we're in the UK, really.

[10:12:29]

gardengnome:

you're in the UK and complain about bad beer? wow.

[10:13:46]

Juski:

mornin

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Juski:

isn't it nice when you switch your mythtv on one day & find out it's recorded stuff you didn't expect to see.. stuff you set up to record ages ago & forgot all about it... I think so

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** Juski has just been giving the stereo a workout :-P **

[10:16:25]

Juski:

what's not so nice is when you return to your pc to see this on screen: QA Notice: the following files are setXid, dyn linked, and using lazy bindings

[10:16:25]

Juski:

This combination is generally discouraged. Try re-emerging the package:

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[10:20:49]

Juski:

oo xorg has almost finished emerging...

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Juski:

which is a shame cos I'm gonna flatten the system & put debian on it

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gardengnome:

debian? no kidding?

[10:21:37]

Juski:

I'll keep this install to one side ;-)

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gardengnome:

i actually chose gentoo because i think the s100 could use some -Omgigosofast flags ;). yeah, i'm a terrible ricer :/

[10:22:05]

Juski:

I want minimal, small. so why install bloat if you're just gonna delete it?

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gardengnome:

heh

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gardengnome:

yeah, debian can be kept quite small.

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gardengnome:

what about ubuntu dapper drake using the server install target?

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gardengnome:

or are you gonna debootstrap it?

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Dibblah:

Woo hoo! Strike one Gentoo user :)

[10:22:54]

asd26:

is it possible to make mythtv remote more senstive?

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gardengnome:

pfft.

[10:23:03]

** gardengnome pets his sarge mythtv boxen **

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Juski:

fucking PoS... STILL no xmodmap :-/

[10:23:09]

Dibblah:

That'll be reducing the carbon output of the world by a smidgen.

[10:23:33]

Dibblah:

What the hell?

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Dibblah:

*** Deprecated use of action 'search', use '--search' instead

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Dibblah:

That's *stupid*.

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Dibblah:

x11-apps/xmodmap you mean?

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asd26:

can geforce4mx's do 1366x768 resolution?

[10:24:06]

Juski:

masked

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Dibblah:

And? ;)

[10:24:21]

Dibblah:

ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86

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Juski:

great if I wanna install xorg 7.0 and totally fuck everything up

[10:24:39]

Juski:

that is IT. no more ricer shit for me

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gardengnome:

asd26: i know that 1280x768 worked fine for me. 1366x768 should work, too. maybe you'll need to generate a modeline, though

[10:24:59]

gardengnome:

Juski: why the hell do you want xorg 7.0?

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Dibblah:

He doesn't ;)

[10:25:42]

Juski:

I've re-emerged xorg 3 times since yesterday, and still no xmodmap. which I kinda need

[10:25:53]

Juski:

and no, minimal is no longer in my use flags

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Dibblah:

... xmodmap is a seperate build?

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Dibblah:

And has been for... Some time?

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Dibblah:

Dunno why it's only doing recent xorgs, though.

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Juski:

nope – but it's excluded if you have minimal in your use flags – it's not built

[10:26:38]

Dibblah:

Oh. Okay.

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Dibblah:

Modular xorg. What a friendly idea.

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gardengnome:

hrm. then i'll have to re-emerge x.org with USE="-minimal". crap :/

[10:27:17]

Juski:

gentoo are more or less _forcing_ you to use xorg 7.x now

[10:27:47]

Dibblah:

There's no way to force an OSS user, really...

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Juski:

well yeah. you can just use another distro :-D

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Dibblah:

But portage is just so great! It's almost like BSD...

[10:28:22]

Juski:

what's so fun about funroll loops anyway? :-P

[10:28:26]

Dibblah:

Oh. Wait.

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gardengnome:

Juski: is xorg 7.x now stable in gentoo?

[10:28:37]

Juski:

nah

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gardengnome:

or still masked?

[10:28:46]

Juski:

still mask00r3d

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gardengnome:

k. why do they force you to use it then?

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** gardengnome is confused. **

[10:29:00]

gardengnome:

time for a less silly nick.

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gardengnome is now known as laga

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** Juski is pissed off so may not be making sense **

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laga:

heh, yep :)

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Juski:

there's got to be a way around this

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laga:

anyways, i'd suggest that you take a look at ubuntu dapper (instead of pure debian)

[10:29:40]

Juski:

I'd have used mythcontrols if it didn't segfault

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Juski:

edit keys... oops it crashed

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laga:

heh

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Juski:

and if anyone thinks I can be arsed to recompile it with debugging enabled...

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Juski:

no fucking way!

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** laga shakes his head sobbingly **

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** Dibblah considers changing nick to bloodninja, then decides against it. **

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Juski:

hrm. that reboot that happenned when it crashed... seems I now have xmodmap :-/

[10:33:33]

Juski:

mythcontrol is just a keymap editor isn't it? I mean I can change the keymapping without it.... (I think)

[10:34:11]

Juski:

rather than remap the remote (keyboard) buttons to myth & xine keys, I think maybe remapping the apps would be better all round

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laga:

you could use mythweb.

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Juski:

for a remote frontend?

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Juski:

I'm damned if I'm putting apache on this box

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laga:

hehe :) not sure how mythweb handles this for different frontends

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Juski:

I'm not up for breaking my main frontend

[10:37:12]

laga:

;)

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asd26:

interlaced vs progressive there isn't much difference

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laga:

Juski: i don't think you'd have to break it. it looks like one action may have multiple keys assigned to it.

[10:37:55]

Juski:

I asked on the zenega forums about the source for zenegalircd... lol

[10:38:07]

Dibblah:

asd26: Heretic! Burn him!

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Juski:

laga: they're definitely using lirc. I've even tried to find stuff about using keyboards with lirc in this context – no dice

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Juski:

lirc would be much nicer

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laga:

i dunno how they'd use lirc. lirc would have to have some kind of input driver for ps2 devices. maybe they do that via evdev, not sure...

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Dibblah:

Why have another layer of indirection?

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asd26:

i don't get this

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Juski:

Dibblah: ok then. so how would I change the keymapping for one frontend and not others if I don't have use of mythcontrol ? ;-)

[10:42:29]

Dibblah:

mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg

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Dibblah:

;)

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Juski:

oh god

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asd26:

why is 1080x1440 resolution that resolution isn't it supposed to be 1080x1920?

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Juski:

asd26: it's supposed to be 1920x1080 actually

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Dibblah:

You don't want to fiddle with the database?

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Juski:

x,y – not y,x

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Dibblah:

What sort of geek ARE you? ;)

[10:43:51]

Juski:

Dibblah: the kind of geek who doesn't like breaking shit

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Dibblah:

It's OK. If it breaks, just restore from backups.

[10:44:21]

Zider:

...back...ups? what's that?

[10:44:25]

Zider:

;)

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Juski:

keymaps shouldn't really be stored in the db, IMHO

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asd26:

1440x1080 that a 4:3 reslution?

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Dibblah:

Where should they be, then?

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Juski:

asd26: depends on your display. you've not got one with a native res. of 1440x1080 have you?

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Juski:

Dibblah: other programs have text files you can easily and readily edit

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asd26:

Juski i downloaded some movies at that res

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Dibblah:

Yup. And Myth has the database, which you can easily and readily edit.

[10:48:25]

Juski:

I don't wanna know if you've been breaking the law or not

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asd26:

it's 4:3 resolution

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Dibblah:

It'll be Elephant's dream, of course ;)

[10:49:01]

Juski:

I'll have a look in the db to see if the keybindings are frontend specific

[10:49:07]

Dibblah:

They are.

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Dibblah:

They're in the settings table.

[10:49:42]

Zider:

what's with this elephant dream so many is talking about?

[10:49:51]

Dibblah:

... And can easily be edited with mythweb.

[10:50:04]

Dibblah:

As per-host, not just globally.

[10:50:08]

Juski:

Dibblah: not on a per-frontend basis they can't

[10:50:25]

Dibblah:

Really?

[10:50:26]

Juski:

so I'll stick with using xmodmap then

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Dibblah:

Are you sure about that? ;)

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asd26:

i still don't have my dvd player going on mythtv]

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Dibblah:

http://mythtvmaster/mythweb/settings/keys

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Dibblah:

"Edit keybindings on: "...

[10:52:09]

Dibblah:

Right at the top of the page.

[10:52:23]

Dibblah:

In fact, there's no way to alter "global" keybindings.

[10:52:33]

Dibblah:

It's all per-host in that editor.

[10:52:46]

asd26:

what does mythtv backup do?

[10:53:02]

Juski:

Dibblah: they've moved that howto

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Juski:

ahhh

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Juski:

didn't see the selection box

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Juski:

duh!

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Juski:

!trout Juski

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** MythLogBot slaps Juski with a trout on behalf of Juski... **

[10:55:01]

Juski:

fuck it. I'll stick with xmodmap & just remap xine's keys

[10:55:37]

Juski:

editing keymaps isn't a solution for something that's gonna end up on other people's machines (possibly)

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Dibblah:

:))

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radi0head:

Juski; Are you awake?

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asd26:

whats xmodmap for?

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radi0head:

man xmodmap

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laga:

man juski

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onetwo:

I got the nova-s to the point where it scanned and found a bunch of bbc channels, but I get an error when I try to view them: http://pastebin.ca/66525 any thoughts?

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Mattwj2005:

hey good morning one :)

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Mattwj2005:

well last night I ordered a GeForce 4 FX 5200 64mb TV Out Video Card AGP FX5200 to help my MythTV box

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Juski:

right that's xine remapped. talk about laborious :-/

[11:35:27]

Mattwj2005:

I am hoping to get it to play HDTV eventually once I get a pcHDTV-5500

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Mattwj2005:

I am quite exited!

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Mattwj2005:

*excited

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Juski:

don't get too excitied

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Mattwj2005:

why is that?

[11:37:01]

Juski:

YMMV

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Mattwj2005:

ymmv?

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Juski:

your mileage may vary

[11:37:29]

laga:

your mileage may vary

[11:37:38]

Juski:

services may not work as advertised

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Juski:

PBCAK

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Mattwj2005:

good point....I am aware that my system might be too slow....

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Mattwj2005:

PBCAK?

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Juski:

problem between chair and keyboard

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Juski:

had major PBCAK issues this morning

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Mattwj2005:

thanks for the faith Juski :-P

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Juski:

right.. so I have a working gentoo install. mythfrontend works, xine works, tv out works, keys are mapped to my taste... gonna have to break it all tomorrow

[11:40:07]

Juski:

rm -rf /usr/portage

[11:40:09]

Juski:

muhahahahaha

[11:40:23]

Mattwj2005:

I prefer rm -rf /

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Mattwj2005:

;)

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Juski:

I preferred that once too

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asd26:

i still trying to emulate my s-video out from my setop box

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asd26:

lol

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Mattwj2005:

hey how well do you think Linux will handle a ATI MOBILITY™ RADEON® 9000 IGP graphics processor?

[11:42:45]

Juski:

on a scale of 0 to 1, where 10 is fully working?

[11:42:58]

Mattwj2005:

yeah?

[11:43:06]

Juski:

1, where 10 is fully working

[11:43:28]

Juski:

that's what I _think_ but might not be true

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Mattwj2005:

well that is my laptop not my mythtv box...

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Mattwj2005:

I know the graphics work under Linux....Suse does a nice job with it...I was just wondering if things like Xvmc would be possible

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Mattwj2005:

but you say 1 :(

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Juski:

xvmc, with ATI is not possible on _any_ ATI hardware

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Mattwj2005:

here are my specs on that machine.....P4 3.3 Ghz with HT, 1 GB of RAM, 100 GB HD, DVD-R/RW, wireless G, widescreen 1280x800 display

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Juski:

but I can play sdtv on a 733 mobile celeron in myth at about 50% cpu usage

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asd26:

i hope i don't blow my tv

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Mattwj2005:

will that handle playing HDTV video as a frontend?

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Juski:

ymmv

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Mattwj2005:

ymmv?

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Juski:

it won't play hd over wireless, for sure

[11:48:18]

Mattwj2005:

how about over 100 MB Ethernet?

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Mattwj2005:

locally of course

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Juski:

network bandwidth won't be an issue

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Juski:

anyway, seen as I'm not in the most helpful of moods I'm going to fuck off

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Mattwj2005:

it will be crazy bandwidth though 24 Mbps or something like that

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Mattwj2005:

okay...thanks anyways Juski

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asd26:

anyone have a config for nvidia-tvout

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asd26:

with a proper tv resolution

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Mattwj2005:

hey I just found a ATI Proprietary driver for RADEON 8500 Series and higher

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Getaway:

how can i set mythtv to use qt4 instead of qt3

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Mattwj2005:

I let you know in a few weeks....I just ordered a card asd26 :)

[11:57:14]

asd26:

all i want to do is clone what setup box's do when outputing to a tv

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asd26:

i think they a follow a pal standard

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Mattwj2005:

I wish I could help...sorry

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Juski:

Getaway: mythtv won't work with qt4. will _not_ work!!!!!

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Juski:

asd26: read the nvidia tv out readme file. sheesh

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Getaway:

okay

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kayelem:

asd26, I feed my TV with RGB/sync from the HD-15 connector with a modeline for 768x576i – probably not what you're looking for either.

[11:59:43]

Juski:

Option "TVStandard" "PAL" or whatever

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Juski:

Option "TVOutputFormat" "s-video"

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Mattwj2005:

hey guys ATI has a offical driver for my laptop's graphic card!

[12:00:28]

** kayelem nods – the info is in the nVidia readme; worked for me but RGB works better :) **

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Juski:

http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/ . . . endix-h.html

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Mattwj2005:

it even supports 3D

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Juski:

it won't even support xvmc

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Juski:

maybe 3ghz is enough CPU not to need xvmc though

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Mattwj2005:

I'll give it a try

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Mattwj2005:

if it doesn't work it doesn't work

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Mattwj2005:

worse case .... I buy a HDTV card which I can't use

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Mattwj2005:

I guess I'll just have to sell it on eBay or some place

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asd26:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Modeline_Database

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Juski:

cross that bridge (if) when you come to it

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asd26:

modlines here

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Mattwj2005:

exactly

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asd26:

still these modelines are so confusing

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asd26:

pal seems to use the same resolution as digital tv, but digital is widescreen..i'm confused

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Mattwj2005:

if nothing else the GeForce card I bought should help with my existing system

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Juski:

asd26: digital PAL, even widescreen is still just 720x576

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Mattwj2005:

without or without HDTV

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kayelem:

some resolutions are not necesserily square-pixel...

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Juski:

TV is never square pixel

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Juski:

PAL widescreen is 16:9 amorphic

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Juski:

amorphic == squashed. so that when your wide tv stretches it, it looks right

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kayelem:

my 405-line modeline is 968x377, but is 4:3

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** Juski is installing debian on a usb flash **

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kayelem:

very not-square-pixel...

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Mattwj2005:

awesome Juski is this for Mythtv?

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asd26:

this is pointless, seems mythtv can only play at 800x600

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Juski:

Mattwj2005: more than that. it's for a minimal frontend for this... www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/s100

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asd26:

mythtv options menu seems right, but its playign resolution is 800x600

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kayelem:

asd26, mythtv plays at whatever resolution X is running

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Juski:

kayelem: I remember you now – you made mythtv work on a 405 line TV :-)

[12:11:55]

kayelem:

Juski, yup, that's me.

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asd26:

Juski how do i check that?

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kayelem:

Juski, I've also have had MythTV running on the Baird 240-line 25Hz progressive standard *last* used in 1937 :)

[12:13:20]

Juski:

asd26: the nvidia driver will work at any resolution supported by the driver or the modeline you choose. however the TV out will always be the standard you choose in xorg.conf options

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Mattwj2005:

that is really cool...you'll have to tell us how it goes

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asd26:

is there linux command to find out what res's it's running

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Juski:

xdpyinfo

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asd26:

because i changed the modes to 702x756

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kayelem:

A look at the X logfile can be useful as well

[12:16:34]

kayelem:

the tv-out seems to only support a limited subset of available resolutions; I think that's down to the tv encoder chip used

[12:17:23]

Juski:

it rescales everything to fit the TV standard you want to use

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kayelem:

Why I prefer using the RGB out and running X in the TV standard natively, as it were

[12:18:49]

kayelem:

768x576 RGB fed into the SCART of my TV is so *crisp* compared with using the s-video

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Juski:

kayelem: you considered coming to lugradiolive? they're gonna have a section for 'interesting hardware' – I think what you've done qualifies ;-)

[12:19:44]

kayelem:

DVB-T source, so it's worth cutting out all PAL encode/decode along the way.

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asd26:

oh dam these modelines

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kayelem:

Juski, I would, only my car's in bits... I'd like to demo this lot sometime – especially once I've collected a 1957 Dynatron console set I've been offered.

[12:21:06]

kayelem:

a '57 console TV with a black 2GHz Athlon XP system sat on top is nicely incongruous :)

[12:21:45]

asd26:

someone needs to create tv-out config's for pal 50hz tv's

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kayelem:

asd26, it works if you follow what's in the nVidia readme

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Juski:

asd26: jees man get a grip!

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asd26:

i mean it works, but not as perfect as my old setop box which is perfect

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Juski:

get nvidia-settings

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asd26:

all i need is config that emulates most retail setop box's

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kayelem:

I found the tv-out wasn't all that impressive. PAL encode/decode doesn't help.

[12:24:40]

asd26:

i don't think lcd's would cause an problems since u can easily set the lcd's resolution and run it via RGB

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Juski:

http://mythtv.pastebin.com/714694

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kayelem:

thr nvidia driver seems very fussy if you try to specify an exact modeline and try to use the tv-out. iirc I only ever had it work with 800x600 and the TV encoder scaling it

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Juski:

asd26: you ALWAYS use the LCD's native resolution

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Juski:

I found with 800x600 and an overscan value of '12' in nvidia-settings, it was _perfectly_ sized

[12:25:47]

Juski:

and the flicker filter did away with any need to deinterlace

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Juski:

looks comparable to my cable box over svideo too

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asd26:

i read that some tv out's on the nvidia cards can only do 640x480 and 800x600 and nothing else

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Juski:

so what?

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Juski:

I found with 800x600 and an overscan value of '12' in nvidia-settings, it was _perfectly_ sized

[12:27:02]

Juski:

if you're not gonna take good advice, you can go somewhere else

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kayelem:

If the picture-quality via the tv-out isn't satisfactory, then you need to knock up a little bit of electronics and feed RGB straight into your TV at 720x576i or 768x576i

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asd26:

well it doesn't fit perfectly on mind

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Juski:

asd26: so experiment & stop being so lazy

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Juski:

some STBs don't even fit perfectly

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kayelem:

unless you're using a digital source all that'll do is show up how bad PAL analogue is, though

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asd26:

Juski i mean i think nvidia-tv outs via s-video and composite is limited

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Juski:

asd26: of course it's limited

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kayelem:

asd26, yup.

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kayelem:

Why do you think I don't use the tv-out?

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asd26:

kayelem what do u have it connect to?

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Juski:

nothing beats good old interlaced RGB in SDTV terms

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asd26:

LCD?

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Juski:

asd26: you're totally missing the point

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kayelem:

asd26, a 15-year-old 25" Mitsubishi CRT set, RGB straight up the SCART input.

[12:30:43]

asd26:

crazy i don't have scart

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Juski:

if you don't have the luxury of being able to make a VGA-RGB converter circuit, you're best sticking with the TV out

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asd26:

one compoment input and composite on the back of my tv

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Juski:

erm.... if you have component why the hell are you messing with tv out?

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asd26:

i don't have componment on my video card

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kayelem:

asd26, suspect you need to look at RGB -> component converters

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marc:

hi

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kayelem:

RGB can be converted to component with a simple matrix circuit, or commercial ones can be bought if your electronics design/construction skills aren't up to it.

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asd26:

isn't it VGA to RGB to COMPONEMNT?

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kayelem:

VGA = RGB

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kayelem:

so-called "VGA" output on the HD-15 connector is R, G and B analogue video at 0.7V p-p with seperate horizontal and vertical sync at TTL level.

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asd26:

kayelem what resolution do u set your to?

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marc:

do I have to install mythdvd to watch dvds?

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kayelem:

asd26, 768 x 576i

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marc:

or is that just for ripping?

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asd26:

kayelem i need to make one of those

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asd26:

i'm going to a computerfair tommorrow mabe i can find on

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adante:

aussies ahoy?

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marc:

ahoy

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kayelem:

asd26, they're definitely available, I've found commercial units and schematics with a bit of googling.

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kayelem:

asd26, if you connect your card to a VGA(RGB) -> component converter, connect that to the TV, then you can use decent modelines and you bypass the PAL encode/decode that happens if you use either composite or s-video.

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kayelem:

the RGB out on the HD-15 is a lot less limited. Any resolution you like – I should know ;-)

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asd26:

http://www.jaycar.com.au/products_uploaded/productLarge_8301.jpg

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asd26:

i can get that for $24.95

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kayelem:

asd26, http://us1.webpublications.com.au/static/imag . . . 2648_2mg.jpg

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marc:

guys? dvd anyone?

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kayelem:

I don't know how (or if) they've crammed the circuitry into a cable... I suppose it's possible with surface-mount devices.

[12:40:30]

asd26:

D15HD to 3 x RCA RGB Plugs Video Lead – 1.5m

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asd26:

thats the name

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asd26:

i might consider geting a bigger tv, only have 51cm

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kayelem:

that's not component, just brings out the RGB from the HD-15

[12:41:02]

kayelem:

RGB != component

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asd26:

so whats the point of the cable?

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kayelem:

to feed RGB monitors

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kayelem:

I have one here, though it has BNC connectors on.

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asd26:

i just don;t want to fork out like 100 dollars on a converter

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kayelem:

"component" is a Y (luminance) signal; basically a monochrome picture; along with two colour-difference signals; B-Y and R-Y

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kayelem:

so converting RGB video to component will need a converter

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Juski:

marc: IIRC you need mythdvd installed to play dvds

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marc:

thx Juski. i've been trying to google it but all i could find was 'if you don't want to rip dvds, better not install mythdvd' that was a bit misleading :(

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kayelem:

asd26, if you don't want to fork out for a converter, and your TV has no RGB input, then you're stuck with using the TV out from the card, then.

[12:46:29]

kayelem:

MythTV still uses an external app for DVD playback, yeah?

[12:46:35]

kayelem:

iirc mine's using xine

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asd26:

kayelem yeah i guess thats the case

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asd26:

asd26 i looks good, but i'm a perfectionist

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Juski:

asd26: so adjust the overscan a bit

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kayelem:

nvidia-settings does give a lot to play with on the tv-out

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asd26:

i could pick up a widescreen 19inch LCD for like 300, a converter 100..might as well get the LCD..lol

[12:48:15]

kayelem:

I found tweaking the anti-flicker, overscan and that "digital vibrance" thingy gave a decent enough picture before I decided to try RGB

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asd26:

Juski i did the overscan, it tops of the tv has like 1.5cm blacks lines

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asd26:

kayelem RGB is heaps better isn't it?

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Juski:

asd26: so adjust it til the black disappears, then adjust the mythtv GUI size to fit

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asd26:

kayelem so scart can handle compoment?

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kayelem:

asd26, just a bit, with a DVB-T source...

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Juski:

asd26: scart can't handle component

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kayelem:

asd26, no, CART handles either composite (or s-video on some sets) and RGB

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kayelem:

+S

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asd26:

what does your tv take?

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kayelem:

If your set has SCART then you need nothing more than a 2-transistor circuit built into the SCART plug to generate composite sync and a couple of pins pulled up to the right level to signal the TV to accept RGB.

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Juski:

got 3x SCARTs, two of them take composite, RGB and svideo. one just takes composite/svideo

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kayelem:

asd26, my TV has 2 SCARTS, one takes composite and RGB, the other just composite. It also has an s-video input.

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kayelem:

Juski, bet my TV's older than yours ;-)

[12:51:15]

Hoxzer:

U guys know

[12:51:19]

Hoxzer:

this one time at the lan

[12:51:31]

Hoxzer:

this guy was like annoying me

[12:51:37]

Hoxzer:

guess what I did?

[12:51:52]

Hoxzer:

I picked up ak-101 from my bag and shot him head ^^

[12:51:57]

Hoxzer:

and nobody even noticed

[12:52:07]

Hoxzer:

they were so into game

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marc:

right, now I have to recompile mplayer

[12:52:28]

marc:

Juski: you were right, 'optical disks' now shows 'play dvd' and so on

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marc:

very nice

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kayelem:

asd26, it's just a thought; i seem to remember from somewhere that the TV-out on some nvidia cards was a bit soft; iirc it was down to the TV encoder chip used.

[12:56:33]

Juski:

the nvidia encoders now used are very good. I remember by old nvidia gf4 based frontend's tv out being comparable quality to a standalone panasonic DVD player!

[12:56:44]

kayelem:

I don't recall which cards were good/bad as it's not of importance to me; but it *could* be your card has one of the less-good TV encoders on.

[12:57:24]

kayelem:

yup, I have an MSI GeForce4 and an FX5200 here.

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Juski:

nvidia or conexant == good. the rest ... :-(

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kayelem:

the GeForce4 tv out isn't bad; I've not tried the FX5200 though

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Juski:

if all you can see on the board is a BIOS chip & the GPU, then you've got the nvidia tv encoder

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Juski:

both my fx5200 cards have nvidia tv encoders

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kayelem:

Not looked at mine; though it's in the box I'm using for obsolete standards which i do on the HD-15 anyway.

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kayelem:

I should swap the cards just to see if the tv-out on the FX5200 is any better than the GeForce4 in the living-room box.

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Mattwj2005:

how is that 5200 treating you?

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Mattwj2005:

do you have both vga and dvi on it?

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onetwo:

my fx5200 wasn't that special until

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kayelem:

Mattwj2005, I just use the VGA out

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Mattwj2005:

does it have both on it?

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onetwo:

but it was better when I used s-video.

[13:00:54]

kayelem:

Mattwj2005, this one has VGA and an s-video only

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Mattwj2005:

oh okay...I just ordered on that has VGA, S-video, and DVI....just wondering what you thought about yours

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Mattwj2005:

*one

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kayelem:

Mattwj2005, but atm it's feeding an RGB/sync to monochrome composite converter and a 40-year-old Grade 1 405-line broadcast monitor anyway... not a "normal" setup ;-)

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Mattwj2005:

lol I would say not! :-P

[13:02:54]

Mattwj2005:

good for you :)

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kayelem:

Mattwj2005, screenshot – http://www.technogoths.demon.co.uk/405/20060529-405-PG.jpg

[13:03:25]

kayelem:

you don't see curvy CRTs like that no more ;-)

[13:03:49]

kayelem:

I think I need to underscan the UI a bit; some of it gets lost in the curvy corners.

[13:03:53]

Juski:

I thought ASDA still sold goldfish bowl TVs

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Mattwj2005:

that is really cool

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Mattwj2005:

you got some skills dude

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kayelem:

I collect/restore old tech; found MythTV was *perfect* for getting pictures on old TV sets built for standards no longer broadcast.

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kayelem:

saves buying a $600 standards converter and it does a lot more.

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Mattwj2005:

so how does video look on it?

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kayelem:

better than via a standards converter, very crisp and clean.

[13:05:57]

kayelem:

No screenshot of it atm, sorry.

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Mattwj2005:

yeah the screenshot looks really good

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kayelem:

Neat thing is with a digital source (DVB-T or DVD) the scaling/conversions happen in the digital domain then the video output is in native 405-line – works *very* well; best 405-line mono pictures I've ever seen :)

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Mattwj2005:

lol....I love it....new technology meets new! :)

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kayelem:

With a standalone DVD player you're feeding analogue PAL 625 into a converter, then converting that to 405; this is somewhat lossy.

[13:08:34]

Mattwj2005:

did you build the convertor board?

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kayelem:

405-line is very good on smaller screen sizes; under 17" you don't notice the line structure

[13:09:26]

kayelem:

And I like a lot of older B&W movies, what better way to enjoy them than on a 50-year-old valve TV set :)

[13:10:22]

Mattwj2005:

sounds good....plus it is cool to show off to your friends

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kayelem:

Mattwj2005, yeah. I'm still ironing out the bugs, I'm on a "Mk2" converter, which is better but has some interlace problems as the syncs aren't to spec. (I just XORed H and V sync, not exactly technically "correct"...)

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Mattwj2005:

oh okay

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kayelem:

Mattwj2005, Mk2 RGB/sync combiner – http://www.technogoths.demon.co.uk/405/RGB-conv-II.png

[13:12:27]

kayelem:

On my studio monitor I get line-pairing; the interlace isn't quite right; that's down to the XORed syncs.

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Mattwj2005:

I am surprised....that is actually a fairly simple circuit .... pretty impressive it can do such a complex task :)

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kayelem:

All it has to do is add red, green and blue, then add syncs

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Mattwj2005:

cool cool

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kayelem:

the trick is in specifying an X modeline which gives correct 405-line timings

[13:14:21]

kayelem:

some cards will, some wont.

[13:14:30]

kayelem:

I'm having a lot of luck with the nVidia cards

[13:14:52]

Mattwj2005:

I suppose that is a great thing about linux...you have that control

[13:14:58]

kayelem:

yup :)

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kayelem:

THe full story begins here on a vintage radio forum i hang out on – http://www.vintage-radio.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7783

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kayelem:

<-- Kat Manton

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marc:

fine, mythtv plays dvd now, but only the first videofile on the dvd

[13:18:26]

Mattwj2005:

hey question guys....what do you need for HDTV radio?

[13:18:27]

marc:

is there a way to skip to the next one?

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marc:

or maybe launch the menu?

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kayelem:

marc, are you using mplayer or xine?

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marc:

mplayer

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kayelem:

iirc mplayer doesn't do menus, last time i looked, anyway.

[13:19:31]

kayelem:

I use xine for that reason.

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marc:

would you recommend xine?

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marc:

so you do .

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kayelem:

yup

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kayelem:

I know some people aren't bothered about the menus and seem happy with mplayer though. I'm not one of them :)

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marc:

well, i'm not happy with mplayer JUST showing the intro of the dvd

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marc:

and i couldn't figure out how to make it show more :(

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Mattwj2005:

I use the default from Knoppmyth if that helps at all

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kayelem:

KnoppMyth comes with xine

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Mattwj2005:

does it use xine for dvd's?

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kayelem:

yup

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marc:

i'm on gentoo

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marc:

this looks like it could be it: media-video/xine-ui

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kayelem:

yup; I used gentoo for a while, emerging that should pull in all of it.

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Mattwj2005:

I know I have had to recompile mplayer for video codecs I need

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Mattwj2005:

but that is a different issue

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marc:

i'm scared about ffmpeg, always fails ..

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Mattwj2005:

can't you just emerge it?

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** kayelem wonders what species to ritually sacrifice over the 'puter to get audio capture off a bt878 card to work... **

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marc:

i'll give it a go

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kayelem:

lspci claims there's an audio device and a video device...

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marc:

so if it builds

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marc:

s/so/see/

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kayelem:

I mean, I could use a patch lead to the sound card, but I'd ratehr not unless I have to...

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kayelem:

I know goats work for SCSI, but not sure if they're suitable for snd-bt87x ;-)

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** kayelem wanders off for a nice cup of tea and a think... **

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marc:

tea. very nice idea *cold*

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marc:

i wonder if that's the beers fault

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Mattwj2005:

*downs a diet dew*

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Mattwj2005:

I got a 12 pack....anyone want one?

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Mattwj2005:

haha jk

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marc:

i know mountain dew

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marc:

aka sugar water

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Mattwj2005:

mine is sugar alternative water

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D-side:

Mattwj2005: got any mentos?

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Mattwj2005:

no...why do you ask?

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D-side:

drop a couple mentos in a dew and see what happens

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Mattwj2005:

oh okay

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Mattwj2005:

does it start fuzzing?

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GreyFoxx:

works better with dietcoke

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GreyFoxx:

people use them for rockets

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D-side:

only reason they use diet is to cut down on the sticky mess afterwards.

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D-side:

really it needs highly carbonated stuff. i think sprite would be even better.

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D-side:

i plan on testing this later. :)

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GreyFoxx:

hah I did that one weekend. was fun :)

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Mattwj2005:

lol...sounds good you guys...I'll have to give it a try

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marc:

dietcoke + mentos is fun :)

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marc:

o great

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marc:

cc1: error: unrecognized option `-fvisibility=hidden'

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marc:

make[3]: *** [xineplug_ao_out_none_la-audio_none_out.lo] Error 1

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Mattwj2005:

hey will a pcHDTV-5500 do HD-radio?

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Mattwj2005:

if not what do you need for hd-radio?

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kayelem:

I know MythTV doesn't do DVB-T radio yet; though iirc it's "coming soon"

[13:50:38]

kayelem:

wonder if it's in svn?

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Mattwj2005:

hmmm....I wonder if that includes HD-radio....I live in the us

[13:51:32]

kayelem:

I'm in UK

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kayelem:

could be a similar issue

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Mattwj2005:

oh okay

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kayelem:

atm I see all the radio channels appear when scanning, but they get marked as "Skipped"

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Mattwj2005:

hmmm....I wonder if that card I am looking at suppports it

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Mattwj2005:

HDTV is brand new to me

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kayelem:

It's very new to the UK; only experimental transmissions in London at present.

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speedsix:

kayelem, I wonder why you can't just add the radio channels, they're just tv channels anyway aren't they?

[13:54:29]

kayelem:

speedsix, I seem to remember something about a patch which provides a "fake" video stream, otherwise MythTV gets upset

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speedsix:

oh I see

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speedsix:

I thought they displayed some sort of radio logo anyway

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kayelem:

since it's only an audio stream and the decoder (I guess) expects video *and* audio streams

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Mattwj2005:

in the US HDTV is a few years old I believe....a lot of regular stations advertise it....the general popular still uses mostly standard def

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Mattwj2005:

*population

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speedsix:

I'll add one manually, see what it does

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kayelem:

I think i tried once, it locked up and i had to Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to get back in...

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Mattwj2005:

if anyone is interested here are the channels available in my area -> http://www.johnweeks.com/stuff/dtvmsp.html#DTV

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kayelem:

THat was on a somewhat flaky system I've replaced which locked up occiasionally on channel changes anyway, though

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Mattwj2005:

I have all the available over the air broadcast stations

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kayelem:

it'd be good to have DVB-T radio working here as there are some stations you can only get on DVB-T or DAB (and I've not got a DAB radio)

[14:00:51]

Mattwj2005:

ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, UPN, WB, PBS....now the question is will I be able to receive all them

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kayelem:

Not sure i'd listen to them anyway, really... I mostly listen to Radio 4 on VHF on a 35-year-old Latvian portable ;-)

[14:01:32]

Mattwj2005:

yeah that would be good

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Mattwj2005:

lol

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asd26:

is there a way to sperate live tv from recorded tv?

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speedsix:

kayelem, using svn, myth got partial lock and then went splat when I tried to tune to a radio channel

[14:02:22]

kayelem:

speedsix, that sounds like what it did when I tried

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asd26:

i find it harder to find shows i wanted recorded, since watch and u watch and what u record goes on the same list

[14:02:43]

Mattwj2005:

speaking of radio if anyone is interested in shortwave, amateur radio.....I have a link to a site when you can listen to it from all around the world

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kayelem:

asd26, check through the settings, there's one that selects whether the "LiveTV" group is displayed in recordings

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kayelem:

I can't remember *where* but I saw it earlier in there somewhere

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speedsix:

anyone in the uk tried mytharchive with any success?

[14:04:22]

Mattwj2005:

with digital radio I am sure the quality is much better

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kayelem:

Mattwj2005, aww... that wouldn't give the full experience, though... the smell of hot valves and insulation from a WWII communications RX is all part of the fun...

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Mattwj2005:

lol sounds good....well like I mentioned....I am interested in amateur radio and shorewave

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Mattwj2005:

*shortwave

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Juski:

Mattwj2005: you wanna hear the ballad of the manchester repeater

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Mattwj2005:

with all the radio noise of a city I am not sure if shortwave would even pick up must...but I can receive signals using this website

[14:09:22]

Mattwj2005:

sure

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Mattwj2005:

:)

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Mattwj2005:

*much

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grawkis:

hello, I have a Win-TV-PVR-150 card, and would like to record from the composite input instead of the tuner input, can someone tell me where this has to be configured?

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laga:

grawkis: mythtv-setup

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grawkis:

laga: in "input connections?" I already gave it an input source, but then what?

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Mattwj2005:

Juski here is that web site I mentioned http://www.dxtuners.com/

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Juski:

aka watching paint dry.com ? ;-)

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grawkis:

lage: euh I mean a videosource, (the same as the tuner)

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Mattwj2005:

kayelem are you anywhere near Edinburgh, UK?

[14:28:20]

kayelem:

Mattwj2005, nope, Leeds, West Yorkshire

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Mattwj2005:

hmmm

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Mattwj2005:

well it looks like the sheffield is the closest one to you

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Mattwj2005:

well anyways...it is a cool service....just thought I would mention it to you guys :)....anywho...this is MythTV not shortwave chat

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Mattwj2005:

hehe who knows maybe someday there will be MythDX

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Juski:

there's not even MythFM anymore

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Mattwj2005:

say what? I thought that was going to become offical eventually?

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Juski:

nah

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Juski:

dvb radio support will be in 0.20 though

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Mattwj2005:

Juski your quite the expert...do you know if HDTV cards support hd-radio?

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Mattwj2005:

on myth or else where in linux?

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Juski:

no idea. uk based, so erm... no HD here to speak of

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Mattwj2005:

oh okay

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Mattwj2005:

thanks anyways

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Kazan:

all americans in the channel ready to cheer on our boys today

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Mattwj2005:

why what is going on?

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Juski:

world soccer bullshit thing

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laga:

aight. teh suxx.

[15:15:03]

Juski:

stick to invading countries :-P

[15:15:39]

Juski:

just don't ever go nook-you-lar

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Mattwj2005:

just for the record a lot of people don't currently our President....actually the polls are showing the majority don't

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Mattwj2005:

*currently support

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kayelem:

agh... can't i escape the damn f**tb*ll in here..?

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Juski:

footwhat? ;-)

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Zider:

kayelem: it's like pollen allergy.. you can't get away from it :/

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kayelem:

yeah :-|

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Mattwj2005:

foot odor :P

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** Juski has no flags on his car ;-) **

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kayelem:

I bought a lettuce the other day, packaged to look like a bloody f**tb*ll

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kayelem:

can't escape it even buying salad vegetables.

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Juski:

lol

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kayelem:

what has a lettuce got to do with it? Apart from being "nearly spherical"?

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kayelem:

I mean, it's *green*...

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Juski:

at work there's a guy who says "oh yeah I forgot you're not into football" in a tone that sounds like "oh I forgot, you're gay aren't you"

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Mattwj2005:

I won't support our President unless he gaves us national healthcare and lower gas prices

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** kayelem takes a deep breath and calms down... ;-) **

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Juski:

men who don't like football _are_ all gay you know (apparently)

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Juski:

not that there's anything wrong with being gay.. I just don't like people making assumptions based on sport preferences ;-)

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Mattwj2005:

or American :P

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D-side:

which football

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D-side:

yours or ours? :)

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kayelem:

I'll take any sport involving an internal combustion engine

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kayelem:

kicking soggy bits of leather around a large flat muddy area holds no appeal.

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Kazan:

Juski "bullshit thing"?

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Kazan:

(went AFK)

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speedsix:

sport without petroleum propulsion ain't a sport atall

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Kazan:

real football isn't bullshit

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laney__:

yea it is

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mchou:

lol

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Kazan:

bush has a 28% approval btw :P

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kayelem:

I have my Myth box set to record anything it finds with "NHRA" "V8" "Motor" etc...

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mchou:

you guys are ridiculous

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laney__:

nascar is bullshit

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Kazan:

kayelem: left turners?

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Kazan:

nascar = shit

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Kazan:

it's as much of a sport as sitting on your couch doing nothing

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Juski:

who started this?

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mchou:

try running up and down a field a few times and you'll know the definition of sport

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Kazan:

started what?

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Kazan:

exactly mchou :D

[15:21:51]

** Kazan plays right wing in soccer **

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kayelem:

I enjoy NASCAR as well

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** Kazan yawns **

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** mchou play stricker :) **

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kayelem:

Shame I'm in the wrong country to get to see it live, though

[15:22:16]

kayelem:

UK coverage is edited a lot.

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speedsix:

we get bored without corners

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Kazan:

they actually cover the left turners over there?

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** Kazan becomes sad **

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speedsix:

not really

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kayelem:

Aussie V8 Supercars is possibly the most entertaining one that gets covered here though

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Juski:

damnit... installed debian on a USB stick & the kernel panics

[15:23:22]

Kazan:

h

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Kazan:

ha

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Kazan:

that's what you get for using debian :P

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Juski:

what'd you have me use, wiseguy?

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Kazan:

fedora

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Juski:

lol

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Mattwj2005:

hey Juski....how are you installing it onto a USB stick anyways?

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Kazan:

Mattwj2005: very carefully :D

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Juski:

indeed

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speedsix:

how do you boot from an os on a usb pen?

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Mattwj2005:

I know peanut linux has an installer for that....I was wondering how you do it by hand

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Kazan:

newer bios can boot from USB mass storage

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speedsix:

ah ha

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Juski:

speedsix: easy... just format it like it's a hard drive

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speedsix:

hmm Watching channel 305 directly seems to confuse myth a bit, messed up two of my recordings

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Juski:

serves you right for watching Big Brother :-P

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speedsix:

Busted :/

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speedsix:

;)

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speedsix:

I was just testing it out, no really

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Juski:

too late

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Juski:

I'm still in shock from learning how much people paid on ebay for those golden tickets

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speedsix:

I'm know, shocking isn't it

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mchou:

Juski: what golden tickets?

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mchou:

Juski: need linky

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speedsix:

tickets ditributed in chocolate bars to win a chance at partaking in a tv reality show

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speedsix:

with a bunch of misfits

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Juski:

misanthropes

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mchou:

umm, heh, I thought that was Willy Wonka :)

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Juski:

lol... that I'd have paid for

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speedsix:

kinda, but imagine the factory is full of muppets

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mchou:

so how much was paid?

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Juski:

neurotic ones at that

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Juski:

one 'winner' paid £4000

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mchou:

wow, goddamn!

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speedsix:

and that only gives you a what.. 1 in 30 ish chance

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mchou:

more money than brains, apparently

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speedsix:

30 or so tickets

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Juski:

the guy who won one year is from my home town. the local council even erected a plaque in his honour... lol

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speedsix:

you must be so proud

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mchou:

you brits need to get a life

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Juski:

a sad indictment of my home town's achievements I'm afraid

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Juski:

so glad I decided to move from there... well it was either that or die there, I figured

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speedsix:

mchou, waddya mean, you can't watch people sleep 'live' for 12hrs a day??

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speedsix:

;)

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speedsix:

legally that is

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mchou:

speedsix: I was referring to Jusk's anecdotal plaque

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speedsix:

oh right, so watching live feeds of people doing not alot is ok then?

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speedsix:

And we shunned HDTV for this, jees

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Juski:

nah we're shunning HDTV for overpriced mobile phone services

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Juski:

ROFLMAO! he's put an exercise DVD out!

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Juski:

http://www.play.com/play247.asp?pa=promo& . . . title=748288

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riddlebox:

has anyone gotten this error before?

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riddlebox:

http://pastebin.com/714916

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riddlebox:

I get that error when I run mythbackend

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** kayelem wonders if an Ingo Molnar RT-patched kernel would help with MythTV on slower hardware...? **

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kayelem:

Anyone tried it?

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Juski:

riddlebox: sounds like either A) you've not got qt-mysql libs installed or B) you've not told mythtv-setup where the mysql database is or C) the mysql daemon isn't installed or D) mysqld isn't running

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Juski:

kayelem: sounds frisky

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riddlebox:

Juski, I can get into mysql

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Juski:

you can run mythfrontend comfortable (with SDTV stuff) on about 700mhz or less – much less with xvmc help

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speedsix:

I see google earth is now available for linux

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Juski:

riddlebox: do you have qt3 installed?

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kayelem:

Juski, well I have a 2.6.14.3-rt22 on a machine i use with ardour; it's stable and a lot more responsive to interrupts than a stock kernel

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kayelem:

Juski, just a thought for screwing more performance out of hardware. I might try a comparison

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riddlebox:

Juski, yes I had mythtv running then did updates last night and now it doesnt work

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mchou:

kayelem: what for? HW is cheap,and about to get even cheaper when Conroe comes out

[15:47:39]

kayelem:

mchou, I'm "between jobs" so scrounge what I can

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mchou:

day after Conroe releas is when AMD lowers prices

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kayelem:

i can hope that has a nice knock-on effect on s/h AMD processors; i guess :)

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Juski:

AMD need to lower prices. I've seen pentium D prices recently

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mchou:

Juski: huh??

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mchou:

Juski: nobody wants Pentium D heaters

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Hoxzer_:

s

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Zider:

I do

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Juski:

I don't want an athlon XP heater either

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mchou:

Juski: who said anything about athlonXP?

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Juski:

I did. it's what I'd be upgrading from

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speedsix:

amd64 chips run cool

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mchou:

speedsix: Bingo!!

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kayelem:

heh, I've just upgraded one box from 800MHz Duron to a s/h Athlon XP 1600+ :)

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Juski:

cheapest A64 system I could put together is more than the cost of a pentium D system though

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kayelem:

wonder when I'll be finding amd64 systems in skips...?

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Juski:

to hell with cooling & power consumption for a desktop

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mchou:

Juski: you're just being silly

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Zider:

Juski: exactly, that's what coolers are for :P

[15:53:13]

mchou:

stop contributing to local and global warming :)

[15:53:31]

Zider:

*off to the city*

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mchou:

not to mention noise pollution

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Juski:

mchou: I'll stop doing that when someone makes a contribution to my wallet as an incentive

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speedsix:

bang for buck I would have assumed an amd64 would be your best bet

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Juski:

in windows?

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speedsix:

no linux

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speedsix:

saying that I haven't looked into intel for a while now

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Juski:

I won't be running linux on my desktop

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speedsix:

oh

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speedsix:

XP?

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Juski:

not until a competent video editor/compositor appears

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kayelem:

Having several AMD XP boxen offsets my heating bill... I burn less gas as the 'puters keep the place warm.

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mchou:

Juski: lol, now you're just being retarded. Savings on the electric bill far oughweighs any savings on initila purchase savings of Pentium D

[15:55:22]

mchou:

outweighs*

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speedsix:

has anyone made a desktop widget doodad that shows myth backend stats?

[15:55:33]

Juski:

mchou: I did the sums. it'd take more than 4 years of the machine being on for it to balance out

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mchou:

Juski: then you didnt do the sums right

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Juski:

have you seen UK AMD64 prices lately?

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Hoxzer__:

s

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mchou:

Juski: AMD64 are made in Ireland and Germany

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Juski:

cheapest AMD64 dualcore is over £200

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mchou:

haha!!

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mchou:

who said you had to get dual core??

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Juski:

if I'm to upgrade it's not worth me getting single core

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mchou:

and if you want amd64x2,wait till conroe comes out

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mchou:

Juski: beggars cant be choosers now :)

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speedsix:

conroe?

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mchou:

speedsix: Intel's "answer" to AMD64

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Juski:

is that the dual-core mobile doozy?

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mchou:

speedsix: AMD is gonna lower price day after conroe release :)

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speedsix:

oh I see, I thought they already had dual core?

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speedsix:

does gcc take advantage of dual cores?

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mchou:

speedsix: Conroe has "Cool'nQuiet" :)

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Juski:

actually my cpu may not even be the bottleneck in my video rendering... prolly more FSB & memory than anything

[16:02:19]

mchou:

Juski: so what's the point of getting dual core then??

[16:02:42]

Juski:

just.. because... I may aswell seen as I'll be changing everything else

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Juski:

not upgraded for over 3 years

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mchou:

Juski: dont be ridiculous

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mchou:

dual core is gonna be SLOWER than single core if there is no multithreading

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mchou:

cause each "core" in a dual core is slower than single core

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Juski:

my video editing app is multithreaded apparently

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mchou:

not to metion single core generally overclock much better than X2s

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mchou:

Juski: what app is this?

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Juski:

sony vegas

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** Cardoe wanted a Conroe **

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mchou:

Vegas uses Main Concept encoder, which iirc is not multithreaded

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Juski:

ahhh but it's rendering the actual video that takes a hell of a lot of time, esp. with multiple video tracks & effects ;-)

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Juski:

it's a pity vegas doesn't use GPU shaders to help

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Juski:

there's _one_ app which does, but it's way too 'fisher price'

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rej-:

hey

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rej-:

does someone know why dvb-s channel scan is hanging at 3% ? frequency is set to 11300000Hz to 12920000Hz

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Juski:

for improved dvb scanning try 0.19-fixes, or better still (for scanning) SVN

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Juski:

DVB was 'improved' for 0.19 which affected lots of things

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rej-:

i didnt compile mythtv for myself, i got Ubuntu packages because all my compilings failed

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Juski:

you know, the latest version in official ubuntu packages is still 0.18 AFAIK

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rej-:

any idea how to get EPG data faster with mythfilldatabase aswell?

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rej-:

its 0.19

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rej-:

but not sure with dvb fixes

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Juski:

rej: so you must be using alternative sources ;-)

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rej-:

where to get 0.19-fixes? it isnt listed on official page

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scales:

How do people start their mythtv? i mean my backend automatically starts, i am workin on having the lirc start automatically, but what is a good way to have mythfrontend start?

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GreyFoxx:

Scales : I just have my window manager auto start it. And I launch X + the window manager at boot

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Juski:

0.19fixes is available from svn.mythtv.org

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flindet:

GreyFoxx: may I ask what kernel you're on now?

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GreyFoxx:

2.6.12.5

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Juski:

I got mythfrontend working by putting startx in rc.local, then put evilwm & mythfrontend in .xinitrc

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flindet:

GreyFoxx: I'm scared to upgrade my kernel because last I tried the niveus remote stopped working

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flindet:

GreyFoxx: Curses! hahaha

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GreyFoxx:

flindet: I have no reason to upgrade my kernelso unless I have a good reason I wont be :)

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flindet:

GreyFoxx: what will it take to tempt you?

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GreyFoxx:

buy me hardware that requires me to get a new kernel to support it ?

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flindet:

eoi

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flindet:

that sounds REALLY expensive :-/

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scales:

i would like to have mine start like that too, what is the complete line you add into your rc file?

[16:30:13]

scales:

wait

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scales:

greyfoxx, you just turn on your computer and myth starts? without loggin in?

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GreyFoxx:

correct

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GreyFoxx:

I don't use a login manager

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flindet:

scales: they teach you to do it in the fedora mythtv howto. I imagine the advice there would work for you on your distro as well

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scales:

yeah humm let me look at it again

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rej-:

i wonder why the grabbers are so slow :(

[16:32:02]

** GreyFoxx heads to the store **

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flindet:

oi! You need new hardware at the store, GreyFoxx

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rej-:

not even 50 channels and they take like 30 minutes just for one day

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scales:

ah yes

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scales:

i see it now

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flindet:

GreyFoxx: You should try something new and cutting edge!

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scales:

brb

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flindet:

unless it's a remote. stay away from new remotes

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flindet:

:P

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speedsix:

rej-, 15 or so channels takes 3mins for 2 weeks worth here

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speedsix:

Anyone used mytharchive successfully?

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rej-:

mh what the heck

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rej-:

why does it take so long here?

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speedsix:

what grabber are you using?

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rej-:

de_tvtoday

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Juski:

some xmltv grabber have to scrape webpages

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rej-:

the problem is, mythfilldatabase runs it with --slow, but im not sure how to turn it off

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laga:

why would you want to turn it off?

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** Juski angrily throws this other USB-IDE bridge out of the window onto the paving. seriously **

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laga:

just let it run in the background.

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rej-:

its the first time for filling the database...

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Juski:

anyone recommend a USB external disk that doesn't use a _shitty_ bridge chipset?

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laga:

rej-: you should have read http://www.mythwiki.de/index.php/HOWTO_Mythfilldatabase then :)

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Darthy:

how hot can a passive cooles nehemica cpu on an epia m10k be? 70 degrees?

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Darthy:

cooled

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** laga wonders if he should invite Darthy and rej- to #mythtv-de ... **

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rej-:

is there info on getting channel scan to work without updating mythtv ? im sure compiling doesnt even work ;p

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Juski:

Darthy: centrigade? mine tops out about 60'C with a zalman northbridge sink on it

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Juski:

laga: debian was just plain refusing to install.. none of the mirrors were working :-/

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laga:

err. none of the mirrors were working? sorry, debian and broken mirrors, that just won't fit together in my head

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Juski:

unless my ISP is having issues

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Juski:

erm... I wonder if these installers were trying to use the wireless card...

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laga:

probably. you need to set up your networking correctly before you can perform a netinstall :P

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Juski:

I _thought_ it was all okay

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Juski:

I knew I should've sold the wireless card

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Juski:

jesus h fucking christ this is another PoS USB disk

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Juski:

one more day like this & this s100 is going back on ebay

[16:50:35]

Juski:

and the show.. well that's just not gonna happen

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laga:

hehehe

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Juski:

since _when_ does it take more than 5 mins to make a 10GB filesystem?

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Juski:

cypress USB-IDE bridge... always though Cypress were okay

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Darthy:

Juski > i have installed that zalman cooler on it .. first thing i relized is, that the zalman cooler is a bit smaller then the top-area of the cpu. is that ok? or do i have the wrong one?

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Juski:

Darthy: mine covers the whole area of the cpu

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Darthy:

could you please check the correct version of the zalman that i can compare it to mine?

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Juski:

http://www.zalman.co.kr/eng/product/view.asp?idx=71&code=014

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defaultro:

morning guys

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Juski:

http://www.mini-itx.com/projects/rtl/?page=4

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** Juski installs umbongo minimal **

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defaultro:

do you guys know of any command line parameter based tool that can send text commands to an RS232 baesd device?

[17:04:27]

Darthy:

Juski > ok. i have the same. maybe a problem with the thermal paste. any suggestions?

[17:05:32]

Juski:

Darthy.. erm... it should cover the CPU okay

[17:06:03]

Darthy:

i have it VERY thin right now

[17:06:12]

Darthy:

maybe i should use more..

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Juski:

too much is as bad as none iirc

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Darthy:

hmm.. k

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Darthy:

which driver do you use for hardware mpeg decoding?

[17:08:32]

Juski:

via xvmc... whatever comes with minimyth

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Juski:

oh hell. Peter (I'm a talentless bastard) Kay is in Dr Who tonight :-/

[17:11:22]

Darthy:

i have minimyth too.. but i have problems with it (i use 0.19.12) when video plays audio is activated after a few seconds

[17:12:17]

Juski:

no issues here

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Darthy:

sometimes it takes half a minute

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Darthy:

hmm.. how old is your m10k ?

[17:12:50]

Darthy:

i heard they changed the mpeg decoder chip a bit

[17:14:28]

Juski:

it's more than a year old now

[17:14:54]

Juski:

definitely having PEBCAK issues now

[17:15:32]

Juski:

so – you can't install linux to a USB flash stick just by using an installer – that much is now clear

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Juski:

at least not with a stock grub

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Juski:

fuck it. I'm outta here. resigning from the forum and ditching the show effort. see you next year

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scales:

does anyone know what the command is that would open up some gui that lets me pick my video drivers and resolution, etc? it can also be opened from in x

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marc:

xvidtune does the resolution. is that what you're after?

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kayelem:

my favourite tool for setting driver/resolution/etc is "vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf" – it's the only way that really seems to work.

[17:31:21]

onetwo:

is anyone using a nova-s on latest svn?

[17:33:02]

scales:

ok i am trying to get lircd to run from my "mythtv" user. but permission is denied to the following file "/var/run/lircd.pid"

[17:33:26]

scales:

should i just change the permission on that file or wold that be a nono

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kayelem:

I'd have thought lircd should be run as root in the startup scripts somewhere

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Dagmar:

Actually, it probably *should* be run as root for the sake of simplicity

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Dagmar:

The odds of someone exploiting a buffer overflow or something on it are pretty low.

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scales:

ok so could i add it to my myth-load.sh

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Dagmar:

...and they'd have to be *in* your house. Let's not forget that bit. ;)

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kayelem:

heh

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kayelem:

yeah, by the time someone's gained physical access to your 'puter you're pretty much screwed for security.

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scales:

ok so i can add it to that line or no

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Dagmar:

Doesn't your distro have an init script you can use to start lircd?

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scales:

fc5

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Anduin:

So, yes.

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scales:

yeah i think it should, something .rc?

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Dagmar:

Okay, so find something similar and copy it's init script, modify it to start lircd and use chkconfig to enable it

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Dagmar:

Unless you're using an RPM of lircd *for* FC5, in which case there should *really* already be one

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scales:

ok hang on

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rej-:

does someone have an idea how to solve this error? http://rafb.net/paste/results/8xUyfO14.html

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defaultro:

hi rej, what is libdts? Is it the DTS audio?

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coolego1:

how do you do color correction under mythdora and xorg

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rej-:

i have no idea what it is

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rej-:

it is inside the svn trunk, svn 0.19+fixes and sourcecode tarballs

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Anduin:

rej-: It is outside of myth, you should have a _pic version or even a .so.

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defaultro:

rej, why don't you just exclude it then

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scales:

ok all the autostart things work great, but my autologin isnt setup right, i need to change the resolution so i can see the full window to change settings. but right clicking and trying to pick a different resolution only limits me to 800by600 and 640by480

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Anduin:

rej-: first make sure you have libdts_pic.a, then edit libavcodec.pro and use -ldts_pic instead

[18:02:15]

rej-:

mnetz@galaxy:/usr/lib$ ls libdt*

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rej-:

libdts.a libdts_pic.a

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rej-:

mh

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rej-:

it seems i did the right thing..

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scales:

nm i fixed the res problem

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rej-:

thank you anduin, it seemed it worked so far :D

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rej-:

need to restart x server

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coshx:

is there a way to get mythfrontend to play in the root of the desktop, like a wallpaper?

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scales:

humm ok i still am prompted for a password when i autologin

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rej-:

omg, i can tell you, Xgl makes working hard while compiling ;)

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Anduin:

scales: The latest gdm seems to do that, I have yet to dig in to it.

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scales:

yeah. i am lookin into it too

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coolego1:

how do you do color correction under mythdora and xorg

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speedsix:

is myth written in c++? What libraries does it use to create the frontend interface etc?

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coshx:

speedsix: try ldd `which mythfrontend` to see what it's linked against.

[18:30:13]

Anduin:

speedsix: Yes, Qt plus custom.

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speedsix:

I'm learning C (coming from java) in the aim to be able to help out with myth at some point

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coshx:

speedsix: myth is written in c++, so better learn that too.

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speedsix:

I meant c++. Pretty hard coming from something like java :/

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coshx:

speedsix: it shouldn't be that bad, just new syntax and a few new constructs. the whole memory management thing is new, but my guess is that you don't have to do any low-level memory management in myth, since they have libraries for that.

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speedsix:

I see

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coshx:

there are some pages on the web that are intro to c++ for java programmers. they explain the differences in, say, constructor semantics

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coolego1:

if the myth transcoding daemon isn't working, should liveTV work?

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speedsix:

excellent thanks

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coshx:

coolego1: if the mythbackend daemon is running then livetv should work, since you're not running mythtranscode

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coshx:

coolego1: but i suspect that the reasons mythtranscode might be a problem with your backend setup?

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coolego1:

don't know

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coolego1:

mtd won't work

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coolego1:

liveTV does work, but mtd doesn't

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coolego1:

mtd -n will run, but when I try to run it as a daemon it won't run

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Anduin:

coolego1: mtd is used by mythdvd, unless you are actually using it don't worry

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coolego1:

well, I tried to use MythDVD and it wouldn't run

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coolego1:

also, I tried to transcode a recording and it wouldn't work. Could that be for the same reason?

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Anduin:

coolego1: but mtd -n and everything is fine?

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Anduin:

coolego1: When you transcode a recording it doesn't use mtd

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coolego1:

mtd -n runs and says listening on port 2442 and all that

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Anduin:

coolego1: and mythdvd can connect to it?

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coolego1:

but then mtd -d says that it can't open its logfile. With good reason, because that folder doesn't exist

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coolego1:

yes, mythdvd can connect to it

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Anduin:

coolego1: So that is a setup issue, configure the log file to be in the right place (make sure the dvdrip directory exists)

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coolego1:

I don't know where I need the logfile to be. Can I just make the directory where it thinks it is and not have to screw around with config?

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Anduin:

The log file is put in the dvdrip directory, so yes, make sure the dvdrip directory exists (and is writable by whatever user you run mtd as)

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coolego1:

cool, mtd works now...

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coolego1:

if only I could get the transcoder working for the recordings...

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Anduril:

I am about to install a solution for suspend/hibernate. Any recommendations?

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awa64:

hey

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awa64:

i'm having some permissions issues--anyone willing to help me troubleshoot them?

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marmoset:

awa64: what sort of issues?

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awa64:

the directory I have set up as the video storage directory is set as "owned by root." It won't let mythtv write to it.

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marmoset:

awa64: chown mythtv /path/to/directory

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awa64:

Did that.

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marmoset:

assuming mythtv is the user you're running as

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awa64:

Still says owner is root.

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marmoset:

is it a mount point?

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awa64:

I think so.

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xris:

chmod 777 ?

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defaultro:

hey guys

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marmoset:

chmod 777 is the brute force way, but it may work ;)

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defaultro:

do you guys know of a keypad/touchscreen that we can put in a room(wall mounted) and be able to control music from a playlist situated on a linux box, then listen to it on a speaker connected to it?

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xris:

should still be able to chown a mountpoint, too

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awa64:

no error message, but nothing works.

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marmoset:

xris: yeah, I can't remember how linux handles it vs bsd, with one you can't chown the mount point

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marmoset:

awa64: does ls -ld /path/to/directory show it as being owned by root?

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xris:

marmoset: works fine in linux if you do it after mounting the drive

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awa64:

dunno, marmoset, but right-clicking on it and checking properties does. I'll try that command now.

[19:09:53]

awa64:

nah, says it's owned by mythtv

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marmoset:

ok

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marmoset:

so is there an error message you're getting somewhere, or is it just not working?

[19:10:31]

awa64:

hrm. I was getting an error message in Myth, but I just tried it again and it worked fine. Weird.

[19:10:49]

awa64:

thanks, though.

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marmoset:

may have been the chmod 777

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awa64:

could be.

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Anduin:

scales: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=195014

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scales:

ahh

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scales:

thanks anduin i will check that out

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scales:

another question, xine kicks ass by the way, would it be good to use as a vcd player? is the command any different than the one for dvd playing?

[19:18:48]

scales:

anduin: can i update gdm via yum?

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defaultro:

btw guys, what is better format, mp3 or ogg?

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Anduin:

defaultro: depends on what you think is better

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defaultro:

sound quality

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scales:

ogg

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defaultro:

oh ok

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marmoset:

defaultro: depends on what you're going to play it on too

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defaultro:

i will play it and have the sound pass to a receiver

[19:23:07]

defaultro:

i have a quality hear some weirdness in mp3

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marmoset:

like from a computer?

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Anduin:

scales: You could, if you were willing to jump to the dev version (which is totally broken according to one post), or just wait.

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defaultro:

i have a 5.1 setup. When I play an mp3, the back speakers are a bit noisy

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defaultro:

marmoset, yes, computer via myth

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defaultro:

i have a 5.1 setup. When I play an mp3, the back speakers are a bit noisy even if I have ripped with 320 bits

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scales:

oh alright well i guess i will wait then

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marmoset:

defaultro: using lame to encode?

[19:24:27]

defaultro:

hmmm, I'm just using FreeRip for windows then transfer mp3 to myth machine

[19:24:51]

defaultro:

so could it have been the way the song was encoded?

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marmoset:

defaultro: just IMO the encoder used makes a big difference, I'd try it out with lame.

[19:25:11]

defaultro:

oh cool

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defaultro:

i didn't knw about that

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marmoset:

defaultro: I didn't think mp3 had anything other than left/right tho, what are the rear speakers doing in that case?

[19:25:49]

defaultro:

i have a prologic II configuration where 2 channels song are sent to all speakers

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scales:

what resolution would you all run on a standard tv?

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scales:

for myth

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marmoset:

defaultro: if you hear artifacts tho, in the end lossless will be your best bet.

[19:26:09]

defaultro:

front speakers are very clean,

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defaultro:

marmoset, i didn't get what you mean

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defaultro:

i hear artifacts

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Anduin:

scales: 800x600

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defaultro:

but what is end lossles

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defaultro:

can you please let me where I can get the lame tool you mentioned?

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marmoset:

defaultro: I mean, if your equipment is good enough to hear problems with high end mp3s, you may want to go with flac

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defaultro:

flac? :)

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scales:

anduin: yeah , just some things like weather dont always scale to the right size

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marmoset:

defaultro: it's a compressed wav, it doesn't throw away any data (aka it's not lossy, like for example jpg or mp3)

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Anduin:

scales: probably a font issue

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defaultro:

ah cool

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marmoset:

it's about 50–75% of the size of an uncompressed wav

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marmoset:

defaultro: your distro may have lame available somewhere, there's probably exes for windows somewhere too, dunno tho

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defaultro:

ok

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scales:

uh huh, i am gonna look into adding/changing fons

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tefol:

I am trying to set up a PVR150 connected to my Foxtel digital box. I try lots of things, but nothing I do gets me anything better than snow.

[19:33:59]

tefol:

has anyone here got something like this working?

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hadees:

does anyone else use mythvideo to play things over nfs? every time I hit Watch Videos it takes a couple mins before it even brings up MythVideo

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hadees:

when I browse the NFS share over the command line it seems alot faster

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scopeuk:

hadees i know its nto quite the same but i hafve doen it with samba with noproblems

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scopeuk:

have you tried copyign a file over to the local machine and changing the directory to test it

[19:36:41]

Mika_i_:

when mythtv can record two channel same time in same mux?

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marmoset:

hadees: yeah, I do, the time lag has to do with mythbackend/myql rather than nfs

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hadees:

marmoset, is there anyway around it? driving me crazy, i have used mythtv for over 2 years and i don't remember this

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hadees:

there was always a lag but never this bad

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defaultro:

marmoset, i download the flac tool but I can't encode/decode my cd

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marmoset:

hadees: a couple minutes seems pretty bad, did a bunch of files get added that shouldn't be there?

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defaultro:

extension is .cda

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marmoset:

defaultro: I know people often use "foobar2000" to encode cds to flac under windows, but I'm not really familiar with it

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hadees:

hmm Also in MythVideo I enabled it to play VIDEO_TS files but it is treating it like a dir

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

hadees, what do you need?

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defaultro:

i can play video_ts

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defaultro:

i think i'm using mplayer to play it

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hadees:

is it case senstive? I went into the filetype and took it off default player but when i went to browse mode it still treats it like a folder

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defaultro:

if linux, it's case senstive

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hadees:

defaultro, nope, no problem there, i do have it all caps and the folder is all caps

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defaultro:

ok

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hadees:

and sorry i was on listings

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hadees:

maybe it is the listing view...

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defaultro:

sorry too, I jumped to answering your question. I have to scroll back

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hadees:

my real problem is the mythvideo lag

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defaultro:

lag?

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hadees:

it takes mins to load

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defaultro:

oh ok

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defaultro:

that's weird

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defaultro:

mine takes few seconds

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hadees:

when i go to watch videos

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defaultro:

and i have about 70 movies listed

[19:43:25]

hadees:

i have way more then that

[19:43:33]

marmoset:

hadees: at once point I had a bunch of stuff under my myth directory (music mainly) and there were so many files it took forever to start

[19:43:34]

hadees:

i think i am just screwed

[19:43:50]

marmoset:

I got rid of them all and it now takes ~15–20 seconds

[19:44:05]

defaultro:

ah

[19:44:07]

defaultro:

what about this

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hadees:

marmoset, but getting rid of them all sort of defeats the purpose of using mythvideo =)

[19:44:22]

defaultro:

maybe you've got huge jpeg files for the thumbnails

[19:44:43]

marmoset:

hadees: yeah, I just mean there was stuff in there that I hadn't intended to be indexed by myth, and that's what slowed it down

[19:44:46]

defaultro:

but i don't know how mythvideo handles thumbnails

[19:44:51]

hadees:

nah i just have alot of videos, thats got to be the answer but i don't remember it taking this long in the past

[19:45:13]

defaultro:

we have to find out how mythvideo loads up the list

[19:45:20]

** Juski digs himself even deeper into the quagmire **

[19:45:21]

hadees:

marmoset, i get what your saying but i have almost nothing extra

[19:45:22]

defaultro:

if it loads everything at once, then bad design

[19:45:50]

marmoset:

hadees: ah, cool. I've got about 1800 files (select count(*) from videometadata;)

[19:45:53]

hadees:

defaultro, well that is okay but if you leave mythvideo it seems you have to reload

[19:46:07]

defaultro:

good thing is that our backend does have offset segment parameter

[19:46:21]

defaultro:

which is fine I guess

[19:46:37]

defaultro:

or maybe, doing paging

[19:46:59]

defaultro:

select * from video metadata limit 50 offset 4000

[19:47:14]

defaultro:

starts at 4000 but only displays 50

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hadees:

marmoset, i have 7005

[19:47:47]

defaultro:

i'm interested, how did you ripped all those? :)

[19:47:59]

marmoset:

hadees: that's probably it then, it's too bad there's not a way (afaik) to just make mythvideo be a browser, no metadata or anything

[19:48:01]

hadees:

lets not get into details

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marmoset:

since that's what I do with it anyway, I don't use thumbnails and all that stuff, I have it organized by directory anyway

[19:48:37]

hadees:

marmoset, same with me

[19:48:56]

hadees:

i really don't even need the damn index

[19:49:02]

marmoset:

yeah, me either

[19:49:10]

hadees:

hmm thats an intersting idea

[19:49:18]

defaultro:

got to reboot buddies, i need it so FLAC library can take effect

[19:49:24]

defaultro:

fricking Windoze

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defaultro:

:) hehhee

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defaultro:

brb

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[19:50:25]

Juski:

mythtv, from debian packages.. on ubuntu... with marillat sources... (now multimedia-debian)... added the sources to my sources.list, done apt-get update ... updated the keys... and now I still can't install mythtv

[19:50:30]

hadees:

it would be nice to section off the movies and just index them so i can get imdb information, and the rest, docs, movies, other crap not get indexed

[19:50:56]

awa64:

Hrm, that's odd... no sound.

[19:51:48]

Anduin:

mythvide loads everything at once, it doesn't even do that well, you can just browse (if you enable blah shows files, and disable load metadata), mythvideo is being worked on (though it is still going to load everythign)

[19:51:50]

hadees:

speaking of sound, any ideas on how to get everything at the same volume, it seems i'll be watching one thing and it is really low and another channel is really high, its so annoying

[19:52:40]

Juski:

oops seems I forgot an apt-get upgrade. duh!

[19:53:21]

Juski:

hadees: you have a volume control, and that's it. complain to whoever runs the channels

[19:53:44]

awa64:

hrm. The OS can do sound, but myth can't.

[19:54:19]

marmoset:

awa64: can the OS do sound as the mythtv user?

[19:54:22]

awa64:

yep

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marmoset:

huh, dunno then

[19:54:57]

awa64:

If I had to guess, the problem is something to do with the fact that my tuner card sends the sound from the TV signal in through the line-in jack on my sound card.

[19:55:34]

Juski:

awa64: select your line input to be recorded in alsamixer like it says to in the documentation

[19:55:54]

awa64:

in mythtvsetup?

[19:56:10]

Juski:

and if that hasn't worked, and apps like tvtime get you tuner sound, you need to unmute the tuner audio with v4lctl

[19:56:18]

Juski:

awa64: I said in alsamixer

[19:56:22]

awa64:

ok

[20:03:09]

awa64:

ok... how do I get v4lctl?

[20:03:35]

Juski:

should come with xawtv

[20:04:00]

Juski:

bit of a strange one, how mythtv doesn't unmute software encoding tuner cards :-/

[20:04:19]

Juski:

just assumes the audio is always on, which isn't (obviously) the case

[20:04:19]

awa64:

yup... pretty strange, that.

[20:04:45]

Juski:

so you get audio fine in tvtime etc, just not when mythtv is running

[20:05:02]

awa64:

don't have tvtime

[20:05:16]

awa64:

nor do I know how to get it or xawtv easily.

[20:05:18]

Juski:

so erm... how do you know the tv tuner audio works?

[20:05:44]

Juski:

you _did_ test the tuner card in linux before installing mythtv didn't you?

[20:06:07]

awa64:

not really. I don't know enough about Linux to really go about doing that.

[20:06:17]

kayelem:

hm. v4lctl... wonder if that was the problem..?

[20:06:40]

Juski:

so awa64 were you planning to learn as you go along?

[20:06:45]

kayelem:

I'll never know as I've nuked the knoppmyth install and shoving slackware on as we speak.

[20:06:46]

awa64:

yeah

[20:07:09]

Juski:

basically – install simple tv software like xawtv or tvtime to make sure the card & drivers are playing

[20:07:15]

awa64:

ok

[20:07:24]

Juski:

_then_, when you KNOW all is well, go ahead installing mythtv

[20:07:33]

kayelem:

damn, I need more processing power

[20:07:43]

Juski:

and if you don't know how to install linux packages, learn fast!

[20:07:44]

** kayelem watches a kernel compile **

[20:08:10]

Juski:

damn you debian installer! I know the user mythtv already exists.. I made it

[20:08:27]

kayelem:

using a distro with package management is handy; installing tvtime or xawtv should be one command

[20:09:10]

awa64:

ok, kayelem... i'm using Fedora, that has one, right? What's that one command? :)

[20:09:23]

kayelem:

I've decided the time has come to learn more; so I'll be installing it all from source and compiling it.

[20:09:30]

awa64:

fun

[20:09:32]

kayelem:

awa64, no idea, never used that distro

[20:09:36]

awa64:

ok

[20:09:53]

Juski:

yum, isn't it?

[20:10:00]

Anduin:

awa64: yum and try tvtime (xawtv won't be easy to find)

[20:10:03]

kayelem:

ah, yeah. yum.

[20:10:20]

Juski:

google for a howto NOW. you'll need to bookmark it for future reference

[20:10:24]

awa64:

thought so, but "yum xawtv" and "yum tvtime" did jack.

[20:10:33]

Anduin:

awa64: yum install blah

[20:10:42]

awa64:

d'oh.

[20:10:44]

kayelem:

you might need to configure yum to tell it where to get stuff from first

[20:11:05]

Juski:

can any debian/ubuntu user here tell me how to install mythtv-0.19 from binary packages please?

[20:11:28]

kayelem:

um. sorry, Juski

[20:11:39]

laga:

Juski: yeah.

[20:11:45]

laga:

Juski: are you using debian or ubuntu?

[20:11:51]

Juski:

laga: ubuntu

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kayelem:

I could let you know later if I get annoyed trying to get myth installed on slackware; ubuntu is next on my hitlist.

[20:11:58]

laga:

Juski: dapper drake?

[20:12:10]

Juski:

no – breezy.. do I need the duck?

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kayelem:

meh, kernel installation can wait, CSI's on. biab :)

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laga:

Juski: http://hamsta.net/mythtv/files/ or thehunter.ws

[20:12:50]

Juski:

managed to get my usb stick booty ;-)

[20:12:55]

laga:

nice ;)

[20:12:57]

Juski:

thehunter.ws is down

[20:14:02]

Juski:

laga: how does hamsta.net translate into what I'd put into my sources.list?

[20:14:45]

Juski:

something like

[20:14:57]

Juski:

deb http://hamsta.net/mythtv/files ?

[20:14:58]

laga:

Juski: there's no repo for breezy yet, only for dapper.

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awa64_:

weird--no audio in tvtime either.

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** Juski is forming strong opinions **

[20:15:38]

Dagmar:

Check your mixer. Something's been muted.

[20:15:43]

awa64_:

ok

[20:15:50]

Juski:

gentoo takes too long. ubuntu is fickle.....

[20:16:28]

Juski:

I could just upgrade to dapper

[20:16:29]

laga:

Juski: aww, c'mon.

[20:16:57]

Juski:

no I won't come on. this whole thing is stupid. the hoops you have to jump though are getting silly

[20:17:39]

awa64_:

ah, there we go. audio!

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laga:

so what? how is ubuntu responsible for thehunter.ws being down? and wtf did you install a deprecated version of ubuntu? ;)

[20:18:13]

awa64_:

yes!

[20:18:16]

laga:

Juski: but i'm glad that i'm not alone.

[20:18:45]

laga:

Juski: i usually encounter the weirdest problems...

[20:18:46]

Juski:

people always moan about how "linux is STILL the underdog to windows". listen guys it's no fucking wonder!!!

[20:18:49]

awa64_:

shit.

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awa64_:

I've got audio... but it's not linked to anything.

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Juski:

awa64_ mute the line input and set the line input to be _recorded_ in alsamixer, like it says in the docs

[20:20:07]

Juski:

ubuntu – linux for human beings... yeah.. it takes less than an hour to get a desktop installed, but god help you if you wanna do anything useful with it

[20:20:53]

Juski:

so laga – would you say that if I just upgrade this thing to dapper & apt-get install mythtv-frontend all my trouble will be over? ;-)

[20:21:03]

awa64_:

ok, set... and now nothing in mythtv still.

[20:21:08]

Juski:

(at least as far as installing mythfrontend go)

[20:21:30]

laga:

Juski: after you've added hamstas entry to your source.list, yes. with a fresh install of breezy, i'd imagine that things won't go that horribly wrong

[20:21:48]

Juski:

breezy?

[20:22:06]

laga:

yeah, upgrade from breezy to dapper.

[20:22:27]

Juski:

okees

[20:22:37]

** Juski goes to find out how to upgrade to dapper slapper kapper **

[20:23:39]

Juski:

nah it can't possibly be _that_ simple...

[20:24:27]

awa64_:

so... this v4lctl thing you mentioned earlier...

[20:24:37]

Juski:

yep

[20:24:50]

Juski:

let us establish some facts first

[20:24:53]

awa64_:

OK.

[20:25:00]

Juski:

you have tvtime installed?

[20:25:09]

awa64_:

yes

[20:25:17]

Juski:

tv audio works?

[20:25:23]

awa64_:

kinda-sorta.

[20:25:33]

awa64_:

It works when I unmute "line" in the mixer.

[20:25:37]

Juski:

right

[20:25:52]

Juski:

and when line input is unmuted and you close tvtime?

[20:26:15]

awa64_:

sound does not stop.

[20:26:44]

Juski:

hokay

[20:26:52]

Juski:

so you prolly don't need v4lctl then

[20:27:00]

awa64_:

weird--just tried again, now it does. Odd.

[20:27:24]

Juski:

keep the line input UNmuted

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[20:27:32]

Juski:

just for now anyway

[20:27:43]

Juski:

(that time again eh?)

[20:27:48]

awa64_:

sound is unsynched from the video...

[20:28:01]

awa64_:

completely.

[20:28:03]

Juski:

awa64_: you've gone into mythtv haven't you?

[20:28:09]

awa64_:

in mythtv, yes.

[20:28:28]

Juski:

the sound is out of sync because the audio is LIVE while the video is not

[20:28:40]

Juski:

mythtv records _everything_

[20:28:50]

Juski:

which is why you absolutely need to mute the line input

[20:29:02]

awa64_:

ok...

[20:29:07]

Juski:

and make sure the soundcard recording channel is set to line input

[20:29:27]

Juski:

and mythtv is set to record audio from /dev/dsp or whatever linux calls your soundcard

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awa64_:

capture is set to line. mythtv is set to record audio from my soundcard I think, but I'll check.

[20:30:16]

Juski:

the defaults it picks are usually sensible

[20:31:09]

Juski:

you know something guys – ubuntu has been updated twice in the time since I last had my hair cut

[20:31:22]

Juski:

I dunno if that's a good or a bad thing

[20:32:56]

awa64_:

no sound.

[20:33:20]

awa64_:

Set to the right audio devices and everything, and... no sound.

[20:33:29]

awa64_:

And yeah... I've never bought into the whole Ubuntu thing either.

[20:33:39]

Juski:

and when you unmute the line input you get tv audio again?

[20:34:05]

awa64_:

yep

[20:34:26]

Juski:

stop everything to do with mythtv

[20:34:47]

Juski:

if you have a sound recorder app on your machine fire it up and try to record some audio & play it back

[20:36:02]

awa64_:

trying now.

[20:38:11]

awa64_:

nothin'.

[20:38:11]

Juski:

if that doesn't work, the problem is not with mythtv

[20:38:25]

awa64_:

seems the problem isn't mythtv, then.

[20:38:27]

Juski:

what soundcard?

[20:38:38]

awa64_:

onboard audio from my mobo.

[20:38:43]

awa64_:

I think it's a Via chipset.

[20:38:53]

Juski:

which distro.. fc?

[20:39:02]

awa64_:

fc5.

[20:39:17]

Juski:

if you've been following a howto, better go back & re-read it to see if you've missed something

[20:39:24]

awa64_:

ok

[20:39:30]

Juski:

I'm no linux expert by any stretch of the imagination

[20:39:39]

Dagmar:

Umm...

[20:39:55]

Dagmar:

Is this card doing hardware accellerated encoding of video?

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awa64_:

fair 'nuff. Now that I think of it, there was an audio portion I skipped because it said "if you're getting sound, you probably don't need to worry about this part."

[20:40:04]

awa64_:

complete software card.

[20:40:17]

awa64_:

*read: complete crap.*

[20:40:20]

Dagmar:

Oh so it's a Bt878 card

[20:40:29]

awa64_:

ATI TV Wonder PCI.

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Dagmar:

Oh *joy*

[20:40:37]

awa64_:

Windows MCE doesn't even support it.

[20:40:45]

Dagmar:

Heh

[20:40:51]

Dagmar:

ATI probably refused to give them the specs

[20:41:05]

awa64_:

I think they refuse to acknowledge its existance anymore.

[20:41:08]

Juski:

Dagmar: his audio works, just sound recording in linux ain't worky worky

[20:41:19]

Dagmar:

This might be a "how much is your time worth" problem to solve

[20:41:20]

tims:

i just got a winfast leadtek card (just for recording two shows at once) my PVR250 works fine on tuner 0, when i switch the input to the leadtek in mythtv the composite 1 works fine, by the television input just gives me static with a greenbar – any suggestions?

[20:41:24]

awa64_:

I plan to add a Hauppage to the system if I want to keep using it, though--but I want this to work, too, so I can do multiple recordings.

[20:41:32]

kayelem:

I seem to have had the same problem, with an emu10k1 card

[20:42:13]

kayelem:

I could get sound from the '878 card, and via line-in on the soundcard but couldn't get it to capture for some reason

[20:42:15]

awa64_:

did you ever manage to solve it?

[20:42:29]

Dagmar:

Juski: Very few of the non-accellerated cards even bother trying to send audio through the PCI bus. Most of them expect you to run a patch cable from their audio output to the line input on your sound card

[20:42:32]

kayelem:

nope, lost my patience with knoppmyth before i sorted it :-}

[20:42:50]

kayelem:

I'm setting up myth on slackware as i know slackware inside-out

[20:42:50]

awa64_:

I've already lost patience with Knoppmyth.

[20:43:02]

awa64_:

The piece of crap thought all my HDDs were read-only.

[20:43:03]

Dagmar:

kayelem: You might be interested in some of my packages then

[20:43:21]

coolego1:

what formats can mythmusic read? Specifically, can it do AAC (.m4a) files?

[20:43:21]

kayelem:

I'm running knoppmyth fine on the living-room box; but that's got DVB-T cards in and no weirdness; works fine.

[20:43:36]

awa64_:

would be surprised if it didn't.

[20:43:42]

kayelem:

But for tinkering about I don't like any hotplug or automated stuff in my way.

[20:43:45]

Juski:

Dagmar: that I know very well. awa64 could hear audio when he unmuted the line input but couldn't _record_ audio

[20:43:54]

Dagmar:

kayelem: http://dagmar.droplinegnome.org/mythtv/ <-- this will help you immensely getting things going under Slackware 10.2

[20:44:14]

Dagmar:

Juski: it was probably set to record from the mic input still.

[20:44:19]

kayelem:

ah, cool Dagmar

[20:44:27]

awa64_:

Nope, Dag.

[20:44:32]

Dagmar:

Baffling

[20:44:32]

awa64_:

It's set to record from line.

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Juski:

oh crap. even 'server' ubuntu is like 500 flipping megs! :-/

[20:45:17]

awa64_:

Ubuntu bad.

[20:45:17]

Juski:

is slackware like the only non-bloated distro in town?

[20:45:18]

kayelem:

I'm getting a bit more deeply involved; probably going to play with bleeding-edge Myth from svn...

[20:45:32]

kayelem:

...plus i ned to build X from source as i want to hack a driver...

[20:45:55]

kayelem:

Juski, I think so; i keep trying others but come back to slackware every time

[20:46:06]

Dagmar:

kayelem: The mysqld package in there sets itself up by default for use with MythTV. No need to dork around with mysql_install_db and etc

[20:46:11]

Juski:

does slack have binary packages?

[20:46:16]

kayelem:

right, got a 2.6.16.20 built and booted... that's a start...

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Dagmar:

Juski: Sort of

[20:46:38]

kayelem:

Juski, yeah; just not necessarily from slackware.org – and there's no dependency checking.

[20:46:41]

Juski:

I can compile from source if need be.. I have gcc :-)

[20:46:43]

awa64_:

hrm. The walkthrough I'm using does suggest disabling aRts.

[20:46:49]

awa64_:

I'll give that a shot.

[20:46:55]

Dagmar:

You flat out don't need ARTSd

[20:47:08]

kayelem:

I'd suggest not having kde on a myth box either...

[20:47:25]

Juski:

suddenly going down the minimyth route seems attractive

[20:47:28]

kayelem:

but yeah, arts gets in the way

[20:47:34]

Juski:

with GAR & all the headache

[20:47:35]

Dagmar:

Well, it's kinda hard to use MythBrowser without KDE, but other than that I agree

[20:47:47]

Juski:

then I just get everything I _want_ built & nothing else

[20:47:56]

Dagmar:

Eventually I'm going to get around to making a package that is *just* the browser element of KDE.

[20:48:20]

Juski:

has nobody done a memory key mythfrontend distro & released it?

[20:48:26]

Dagmar:

I know if I sit there and bang on the makefiles for a night or two I can figure out what qmake invocation will just build konqueror and what it needs and leave all the other crap out

[20:48:40]

kayelem:

Juski, thought of going down the LFS route..?

[20:48:55]

Juski:

linux from scratch- considered it

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Juski:

but I have this habit of missing out stuff

[20:49:02]

Dagmar:

Juski: You can pretty much copy Knoppmyth over to a thumbdrive without much of a fuss

[20:49:16]

Juski:

I pared gentoo down to less than 500mb but it never worked again ;-)

[20:49:23]

gardengnome:

hehe

[20:49:27]

Dagmar:

I really wouldn't do LFS for MythTV unless you're just feeling exceptionally OCD.

[20:49:29]

kayelem:

LFS is creeping up on me as an attractive idea but I'll try a slackware-based myth box first.

[20:49:30]

gardengnome:

Juski: i think GAR is based on LFS:

[20:49:39]

Dagmar:

That's WAY too much work just to watch some damn television

[20:49:56]

Juski:

mythtv on a memory stick... cmon how attractive does that sound?

[20:50:02]

kayelem:

well, depends on whether you're intending working on the code or just watching television...

[20:50:06]

Juski:

no taking up 600MB space on some NFS share...

[20:50:07]

awa64_:

Not very, Juski.

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awa64_:

At least for backend.

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awa64_:

Frontend? Fuck yeah.

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Juski:

course not, for a backend. jees

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coolego1:

what formats can mythmusic read? Specifically, can it do AAC (.m4a) files?

[20:50:43]

Dagmar:

kayelem: it's very doable on Slack. My email is in the changelogs of those packages, rot13'd. Drop me a note if I'm not here in this channel if you hit any problems with it

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Juski:

coolego1: if built with aac support it can

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Dagmar:

coolego1: It can do pretty much anything you've got the libraries installed to handle

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kayelem:

Dagmar, tbh I'm probably going to end up building most stuff from source

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coolego1:

so what do I have to do to get aac support?

[20:51:58]

Juski:

Dagmar: there's already a distro for the s100 box I've got called zenslack, but the 'mythtv plugin' is based on svn... and besides, reinventing the wheel has a sort of challenging feel about it

[20:52:00]

Dagmar:

kayelem: Those packages were built with the Dropline build engine. They contain their own build scripts (or at least the part that calls all the stuff in dropline-functions.sh) and comments.

[20:52:51]

Dagmar:

kayelem: I'd rather shave myself bald with a broken bottle than build some of these things by hand, man. I wound up building mysql about five times before I even decided to bump the version up to 2. *automation*

[20:52:56]

coolego1:

what's the package for aac decoding?

[20:53:05]

Dagmar:

faac, faad2 and mpg4ip I think

[20:53:13]

Dagmar:

There's an unholy marriage with those packages.

[20:53:31]

Dagmar:

Probably just faac, but I never seem to be able to avoid the other two

[20:53:55]

Dagmar:

Oh wait, now I remember why. MythPlugins starts saying no to some things without them

[20:53:58]

** Juski counts his grey hairs **

[20:54:23]

Dagmar:

If you ever want transcode/nuvexport to behave, you can expect some trouble out of those buggers

[20:54:39]

coolego1:

are they going to break something?

[20:54:50]

Dagmar:

Some of them have "teh evil" of private partial copies of the others in them.

[20:55:00]

Dagmar:

...so when they wind up linked into the same binary, *bewm*

[20:55:12]

Juski:

serves you right for using itunes

[20:55:27]

coolego1:

and in turn having an iPod, I know...

[20:55:34]

coolego1:

so are you saying do it or don't?

[20:55:55]

coolego1:

I suppose I can run a MASSIVE transcoding job on 15 GB of music to make it MP3...

[20:56:10]

Dagmar:

I just use a Zire31 and RealPlayer (with it's craptacular playlisting) for Palm5 and stick with mp3

[20:56:10]

Juski:

ugh not mp3

[20:56:33]

coolego1:

would you prefer ogg?

[20:56:41]

Dagmar:

For whatever reason, there's not a free ogg player on palmos or I'd be using that mainly

[20:56:42]

Juski:

what would _you_ prefer?

[20:56:56]

coolego1:

something I can play on my MythMusic

[20:57:01]

coolego1:

without a bunch of headach

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coolego1:

headache

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Juski:

just don't go less than 192k if you go down the mp3 way

[20:57:06]

Dagmar:

That would be just about anything.

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coolego1:

obviously except aac

[20:57:31]

Dagmar:

Yeah, 192k is right where it starts being very hard to hear any loss of fidelity

[20:57:34]

coolego1:

:q

[20:57:39]

Juski:

I hope I have enough free space on this here memory stick

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coolego1:

oops...

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Dagmar:

VBR gets fairly hit or miss with a lot of the stuff I listen to

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coolego1:

I have all these AAC's at 128KB AAC

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Juski:

ah but aac is mpeg4 innit

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Juski:

more lossless than mp3

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Dagmar:

coolego1: well, build faac and when you do the configure for mythplugins it should be able to detect that aac is available

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Dagmar:

Juski: aac is just plain lossless

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Juski:

is it?

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coolego1:

I put in faac and faad2 but stopped before the 3rd one

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coolego1:

and now it won't let me remove faad2

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Dagmar:

mp3 :: jpeg, aac :: png

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coolego1:

oh well...

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Dagmar:

coolego1: If someone else built them, pray they figured out how to make them cohabitate well. They won't screw up mythplugins, it's transcoding stuff that will cause it to act out

[21:00:06]

coolego1:

when I go to remove faad2 it now wants to remove mplayer, mythmovie, mythmusic, mythvideo and nuvexport

[21:00:13]

Dagmar:

You're safe installing all three no matter what if you're just lookign to play audio

[21:00:13]

coolego1:

transcoding of audio or transcoding of video?

[21:00:21]

Dagmar:

transcoding of video

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coolego1:

i'm looking to eventually transcode video

[21:00:42]

coolego1:

but transcoding doesn't work right now anyway for me

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coolego1:

so I'm not really out much

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Juski:

84% of 1GB used now.. not looking gooood

[21:00:53]

Dagmar:

I had a major problem with transcode/nuvexport because of the way those libs link against each other

[21:01:01]

coolego1:

how did you fix it?

[21:01:27]

Dagmar:

Juski: if you're trying to fit all this on a thumbdrive you might as well go the LFS route unless you're just intimately familiar with the dependencies and packaging of a canned distro

[21:01:48]

gardengnome:

LFS is an annoying lot of work

[21:01:58]

Dagmar:

coolego1: I grabbed my car keys and went out to some bars.

[21:02:05]

Dagmar:

:)

[21:02:15]

** Juski reaches for the Jack Daniel's **

[21:02:26]

Dagmar:

...and I learned which things I could do with transcode and which things I could do with nuvexport. ;)

[21:02:26]

Juski:

five fingers is a good place to start

[21:03:21]

coolego1:

well, now AAC plays, which is a good sign I suppose

[21:03:22]

awa64_:

Still no idea--and I just noticed the Myth output is lopsided.

[21:03:37]

Dagmar:

coolego1: it's not worth worrying about unless you're the one building the libs. If you have "the problem" you won't get mangled video files, it'll just segfault outright. ;)

[21:03:49]

coolego1:

oh good

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coolego1:

I love segfaults...

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Dagmar:

...so then you know to use a different tool.

[21:04:24]

Dagmar:

...rather than waiting nine hours only to find you have a 2.7Gb file full of zeros

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coolego1:

if I only put in faac and faad2, do I really need mpg4ip?

[21:05:12]

Dagmar:

awa64_: Sound only coming out one speaker?

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Dagmar:

coolego1: probably not unless something asks for it

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awa64_:

No, sound's coming out zero speakers. Video has big black bars to the top and left.

[21:06:11]

Dagmar:

Wow

[21:06:22]

awa64_:

Well, not huge--a centimeter or two for each.

[21:06:37]

awa64_:

(17" screen, though.)

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coolego1:

I'm sure that it's asking way to much to know if mythmusic can open the album art that iTunes has embedded in these aac files, right?

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Juski:

hmmm welcome back mister Jack!

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Juski:

gardengnome: a friend at work has been playing with the dbox meccano set erm... IDE... I need something like that

[21:11:09]

gardengnome:

Juski: i hope it'll work better than the ethernet chipset.

[21:11:15]

Juski:

lol

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Dibblah:

Wow. Does anyone read bash.org?

[21:11:36]

Juski:

yep

[21:11:42]

Juski:

I hope I'm not on there yet

[21:11:50]

Dibblah:

http://bash.org/?652381

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gardengnome:

i know i'm on openbash. thanks, kormoc...

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tims:

i just got a winfast leadtek card (just for recording two shows at once) my PVR250 works fine on tuner 0, when i switch the input to the leadtek in mythtv the composite 1 works fine, by the television input just gives me static with a greenbar – any suggestions?

[21:12:02]

Juski:

my favourite quote from bash.org

[21:12:13]

Juski:

"they say a picture paints a thousand words :-)"

[21:12:21]

Juski:

(user kicked, excess flood)

[21:13:21]

Juski:

Dibblah: can that guy spell d i v o r c e? ;-)

[21:13:43]

Juski:

there are many things a man can do for love. dismantling a soil drain should not be one of them

[21:14:28]

Juski:

god dammit. I've just sucessfully installed xorg 7.0

[21:15:10]

Juski:

.. or so I thought

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D-side:

so... the exclamation becuase "its about time" or

[21:15:16]

D-side:

ah, there you go.

[21:15:39]

Juski:

this is prolly just payback for something I did

[21:16:02]

Juski:

or just me being back on the steep part of the learning curve again.. whatever

[21:16:27]

Juski:

the hdd with gentoo installed on it is sneering at me

[21:17:22]

Juski:

I _could_ just go back to breezy and compile everything... something I'm used to

[21:17:42]

Juski:

but knowing how much hdd space it all takes I think I'll just smile & convert the damn thing to nfsroot

[21:17:55]

Juski:

hdd space is cheap, after all is said & done

[21:17:59]

gardengnome:

yep.

[21:18:03]

gardengnome:

good idea.

[21:18:08]

gardengnome:

cheap & fast.

[21:18:27]

gardengnome:

install grub on the DOM, copy a good kernel on there. and here we go..

[21:18:28]

Juski:

it's not as if you need to xfer 600MB all in one go

[21:18:49]

gardengnome:

no. it's way less. i think for my debian sarge netboot, it was like 30 or 60 mb

[21:19:22]

Juski:

I could more or less just copy /dev/hda1 from my bootdisk

[21:19:46]

Juski:

though maybe the grub on there doesn't have nfs stuff in it

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gardengnome:

Juski: neither does my grub.

[21:20:31]

Juski:

so do you just mount / on an nfs share in fstab?

[21:20:44]

gardengnome:

well, no-ones grub has nfs stuff ;) i think grub may support pxe, e.g. download a boot loader/small enough kernel over network.

[21:20:50]

gardengnome:

Juski: nope.

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Dibblah:

pxelinux

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Juski:

I did do this once upon a time

[21:21:19]

Juski:

damned if I know how though

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awa64_:

any ideas on getting sound to work right and getting the video aligned properly would be greatly appreciated. The former is the more important of the two.

[21:22:17]

gardengnome:

Juski: you need to enable ip leven auto configuration in your kernel (enable dhcp there). compile it statically (!module). additionally, you'll need to compile nfs support and nfsroot support. see /usr/src/linux/Documentation/nfsroot.txt

[21:22:27]

gardengnome:

Juski: if you'd like, i can upload my .config for ya

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Dibblah:

Also, some distros need you to specifically start portmapper.

[21:23:29]

Dibblah:

Gentoo, I'm looking at you.

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gardengnome:

Dibblah: naw.

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gardengnome:

Dibblah: how would portmapper get started if there's no root fs?

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defaultro:

hey guys, need some help on mythmusic. I'm trying to add new songs. Where directory does it scan?

[21:24:16]

Juski:

without portmap, mounting can take fucking aaages

[21:24:21]

gardengnome:

Juski: BTW, that's just one of the possible paths you could take... but it works for me :) gentoo even supports a netboot initrd target

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awa64_:

Dunno, defaultro. I think it's customizable.

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Juski:

defaultro: where did you configure mythmusic to store music files? that's where you should start looking

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defaultro:

i have my storage point to /video/music. I placed it there and rescan for new music. They weren't added

[21:25:46]

awa64_:

odd.

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awa64_:

Shot in the dark--restart the backend?

[21:25:59]

defaultro:

I have experience it before and I forgot how I fixed it

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defaultro:

k

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Juski:

gardengnome: I think I already have nfsroot enabled in my kernel

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Juski:

oh gardengnome be very careful of the PSU inside the s100 box. justgave me a jerk that sent me flying

[21:27:41]

gardengnome:

Juski: good for ya :) just don't forget the autoconfiguration stuff. i suppose you could pass the necessary information via boot options, but dhcp is much nicer

[21:27:47]

Juski:

(switched off!)

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gardengnome:

Juski: i am.

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gardengnome:

Juski: switched off? the s100 or the psu?

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Juski:

the PSU

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Juski:

the heatsink of the first regulator must be on the hot side of the SMPSU storage capacitor

[21:29:24]

kayelem:

capacitors can hold charge for a while...beware...

[21:29:35]

Juski:

wasn't _that_ unpleasant.. not as bad as 240V mains

[21:30:05]

kayelem:

try 820V DC; not something I wish to repeat...

[21:30:31]

Juski:

damn I'm sober now

[21:30:35]

Juski:

that's not fun

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kayelem:

PSU for a valve RF amp i was working on... unplugged the wrong thing...

[21:31:17]

Juski:

uh-oh spaghetti-oh

[21:31:19]

kayelem:

I'm more careful now

[21:32:13]

Juski:

jees this minimal gentoo starts a damn sight faster than umbongo

[21:32:20]

kayelem:

that thing had a big bank of caps on it and would deliver 600mA continuous... I got away with it; not gonna push my luck any further

[21:32:55]

Juski:

kayelem: you've had your lives then ;-)

[21:32:59]

kayelem:

agh... I'm thinking I might be better with a minimal gentoo myself, now.

[21:33:13]

Juski:

minimal meaning 2.2GB

[21:33:19]

kayelem:

I'm kinda missing reasonably sane package management already

[21:33:48]

Juski:

hmm I wonder...

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grndslm:

anybody know why my second tuner on my pvr-500 gives an irq -16 error???

[21:35:26]

gardengnome:

Juski: i compile everything on my workstation and rsync it to my server then, minus the portage tree and stuff. exactly 977mbytes

[21:35:43]

Juski:

977 mb?!

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gardengnome:

yeah

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Juski:

I had it much smaller than that & still working

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gardengnome:

well.

[21:36:08]

gardengnome:

i wasn't really trimming it down.

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Juski:

I still wanna know how minimyth get it into like 110MB

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Juski:

gardengnome: what are you doing for swap space?

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tims:

anyone get a winfast leadtek to work in mythtv? my pvr250 works fine but i get green static on the leadtek (composite input works fine though)

[21:41:30]

defaultro:

this is making me nuts :) I don't know what am I doing wrong. I put the mp3 files in a directory under the storage (/video/music), I do a rescan, then I see the progress bar moving but it doesn't get added

[21:42:28]

gardengnome:

Juski: nothing. on the s100, i've still got 62mb free when doing livetv.

[21:45:12]

Juski:

tims: if you mean a pvr2000 card forget it. no linux driver for the mpeg encoder to speak of

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defaultro:

is there field value that I can delete so that mythmusic will think that it's a new scan?

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grndslm:

can anybody tell me why the second tuner on my pvr-500 gives an irq -16 error???

[21:58:54]

Hoxzer:

Because u dont chill enough maan ;)

[21:59:04]

Hoxzer:

what did u do yesterday?

[21:59:12]

Hoxzer:

when was the last time u party?

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gardengnome:

!trout Hoxzer

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** MythLogBot slaps Hoxzer with a trout on behalf of gardengnome... **

[21:59:41]

Hoxzer:

:D

[21:59:46]

Hoxzer:

ok ok guys

[21:59:52]

Hoxzer:

but today was so shitty day

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gardengnome:

Hoxzer: dude, while you got laid, we compiled the latest & greatest mythtv.

[21:59:59]

Hoxzer:

like everything went wrong

[22:00:19]

Hoxzer:

gardegnome: :/ I didn't lay

[22:00:28]

Hoxzer:

I install new NV drivers to my box

[22:00:28]

Juski:

getting laid is overrated. that's why I got married

[22:00:35]

Hoxzer:

then I notice tv-out didn't work with them

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scottder:

From .fi he was probably listening to some death metal too ;)

[22:00:40]

Hoxzer:

an dI installed later version

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Hoxzer:

didn't work then either

[22:00:57]

Hoxzer:

and I installed even ealier version

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Hoxzer:

and it worked ^^

[22:01:08]

scottder:

Juski: all that lookin-to-get laid uses up so much energy

[22:01:08]

scottder:

:)

[22:01:17]

Hoxzer:

and then I tried to find distro to my laptop

[22:01:28]

Hoxzer:

but every light weight linux seems to have problems

[22:01:35]

Hoxzer:

*llinux = distro

[22:01:38]

Hoxzer:

but anyway

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Juski:

scottder: wearing a linux t-shirt saves you the effort of saying you need to get laid ;-)

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Hoxzer:

then I got my ubuntu system crashed like 10 times today

[22:01:57]

scottder:

I run my distro of choice and run fluxbox as my WM

[22:02:03]

Hoxzer:

I dont know but there is some problems with HW

[22:02:05]

scottder:

can't get much mor lightweight than that

[22:02:05]

scottder:

:)

[22:02:10]

Hoxzer:

as Windows gives blue scr

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Hoxzer:

too

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Hoxzer:

I tried to setup bios defaults

[22:02:37]

Hoxzer:

but I'm still getting crashes

[22:02:40]

Hoxzer:

But anyway

[22:02:44]

Hoxzer:

no Succes todya

[22:02:50]

Hoxzer:

:/ lots of waste work

[22:03:09]

Juski:

one day wasted is one day less using windows

[22:03:23]

Hoxzer:

:D

[22:03:29]

bengoodger:

juski, linux is very boring though

[22:03:29]

Juski:

and windows PVRs don't even work, so no time is lost

[22:03:30]

Hoxzer:

But I can't play BF2 with linux

[22:03:44]

bengoodger:

or the sims 2

[22:04:06]

Hoxzer:

http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?appId=2424

[22:04:08]

Hoxzer:

:((

[22:04:25]

bengoodger:

in linux you can't defragment, reboot, remove spyware, fix NTFS, attempt to fix FAT32, or run virus scans

[22:05:20]

Hoxzer:

BUt somebody should hack windows live CD ;)

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Hoxzer:

so I shouldn't have to waste my HDD space to install it

[22:05:37]

Hoxzer:

or DVD would work too

[22:05:48]

Hoxzer:

or windows installed to USB pen

[22:05:57]

Juski:

a windows install in less than 5GB? roflmao

[22:06:00]

Hoxzer:

:D it would be littlebit too small space to store it

[22:06:03]

bengoodger:

hoxzer, have you any idea how much compression windows would need on a USB stick?

[22:06:10]

Hoxzer:

Juski: have u heard about tinyXP?

[22:06:17]

Hoxzer:

it is pretty small

[22:06:24]

Juski:

I don't _care_

[22:06:28]

Hoxzer:

:(

[22:06:32]

Hoxzer:

Dont u play BF2?

[22:06:34]

bengoodger:

hoxzer, the squestion remains "why the hell would you..."

[22:06:52]

scottder:

XP is a neccasary evil if you want to game....sad, but true

[22:06:54]

Hoxzer:

Because I need to play BF2

[22:07:05]

bengoodger:

Hoxzer, the sims 2 is crap on cedega, and is now the only reason for me to boot windows, besides HL2

[22:07:06]

Hoxzer:

BF2 is must

[22:07:07]

Hoxzer:

it is life

[22:07:12]

Juski:

your first hit is always free :-P

[22:07:43]

bengoodger:

but Spore will inevitably be patronised by transgaming to the point of sainthood, and I'll be able to run it on linux, yay

[22:07:43]

Hoxzer:

bengoodger: can't u play HL2 with wine?

[22:07:47]

gardengnome:

Hoxzer: 1f y0u [4n r34d 7th15 y0u n33d 70 g3t l41d

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bengoodger:

hoxzer, I can

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Hoxzer:

Gargen: :D

[22:08:13]

Juski:

gardengnome: eh?

[22:08:13]

bengoodger:

gardengnome, I can read that, but that's because I have more advanced OCR systems than most people

[22:08:24]

gardengnome:

Juski: oh, c'mon ;)

[22:08:28]

bengoodger:

juski, he said "if you can read this you need to get laid"

[22:08:37]

Juski:

:-D

[22:08:43]

bengoodger:

it's true, I do.

[22:08:58]

Juski:

it's a genetic imperative

[22:08:58]

bengoodger:

it is, however, currently illegal.

[22:09:20]

Hoxzer:

:)

[22:09:29]

tims:

anyone get a winfast leadtek 2000xp to work in mythtv? my pvr250 works fine but i get green static on the leadtek (composite input works fine though) someone said no linux driver exists, but a lot of forums people got it to work...

[22:09:31]

bengoodger:

hoxzer, returning to HL2: it was only yesterday that I discovered /home/Trash.root

[22:09:39]

Juski:

but remember, men & women are little more than just anatomically compatible

[22:09:42]

bengoodger:

so I thought I didn't have enough space to run it

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bengoodger:

and the download is annoyingly largw

[22:10:12]

gardengnome:

Juski: huh?

[22:10:35]

bengoodger:

juski, according to most contemporary psychologists everyone is inherently bisexual

[22:11:09]

bengoodger:

brb, fetching cat

[22:11:14]

Juski:

gardengnome: nag nag nag nag nag nag nag nag nag nag nag nag nag nag nag nag nag nag ...

[22:11:21]

D-side:

those psychologists are obviously homos. :D

[22:11:30]

gardengnome:

bengoodger: err, did i get that right that it's currently illegal for you to 'get laid'?

[22:11:38]

gardengnome:

Juski: ah, you're talking about marriage

[22:11:54]

Hoxzer:

:/

[22:12:12]

Juski:

marriage must be like shareware you've not yet registered

[22:12:32]

gardengnome:

Juski: no. shareware only has nag *screens*.

[22:12:39]

Juski:

lol true

[22:13:15]

Juski:

it's definitely an artform

[22:13:51]

Juski:

"how to get a woman you're married to, to agree with you.. (and other popular myths)"

[22:14:38]

Juski:

hmm I dunno what to do with this thing here.. I think I need to boot the other umbongo box up

[22:15:02]

gardengnome:

where are you stuck?

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Juski:

deciding where to go next...

[22:15:52]

Juski:

I can test it out on my main box, serving the nfsroot up from there

[22:15:54]

linagee:

why do my pvr-250 recordings skip in the beginning of the show? (this just started happening. is my pvr-250 chip dying?)

[22:16:08]

Juski:

or I can put it where it'll ultimately end up right now

[22:16:22]

GreyFoxx:

nnnnnnHTyhh

[22:16:28]

GreyFoxx:

[07:16pm]<Juski> I can test it out on my main box, serving the nfsroot up from

[22:16:29]

GreyFoxx:

[07:16pm]<Juski> I can test it out on my main box, serving the nfsroot up from

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** Juski stops pontificating **

[22:18:50]

Juski:

.. or I can start again from scratch because the disk is screwed

[22:18:53]

Juski:

hmmm

[22:18:59]

gardengnome:

Juski: put it where it'll end up...

[22:19:00]

D-side:

i've never even heard of umbongo

[22:19:12]

gardengnome:

D-side: gee. a very popular drink for kids.

[22:19:14]

bengoodger:

d-side, it's a wierd kiddie fruit juice drink

[22:19:52]

gardengnome:

my biggest problem with mythtv right now is that i keep losing the remote.

[22:20:05]

gardengnome:

ah, here we go

[22:20:06]

Juski:

god, if only...

[22:20:08]

GreyFoxx:

b

[22:20:08]

GreyFoxx:

[07:16pm]<linagee> why do my pvr-250 recordings skip in the beginning of the

[22:20:09]

GreyFoxx:

show? (this just started happen

[22:20:09]

GreyFoxx:

[07:16pm]<linagee> why do my pvr-250 recordings skip in the beginning of the

[22:20:22]

Juski:

does GreyFoxx have a cat?

[22:20:25]

gardengnome:

GreyFoxx: so i take it you're fed up with hacking the msntv2?

[22:21:16]

D-side:

but

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D-side:

how does one boot a kiddie fruit drink

[22:21:24]

D-side:

:D

[22:21:47]

Juski:

ubuntu, ubuntu, they drink it in the...

[22:22:30]

bengoodger:

d-side: shove it into a tape player, type "CHAIN WINDOWS1" and press return. follow on-screen instructions thereon

[22:22:31]

Juski:

http://www.umbongo.com/downloads/ — w00t!

[22:22:45]

GreyFoxx:

[07:16pm]<linagee> why do my pvr-250 recordings skip in the beginning of thejv

[22:22:52]

GreyFoxx:

7v?

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GreyFoxx:

I figure it this way, A: she benefits from it, B: I'm the one putting the work into it, and C: I'm the one working for the money to do it :)jvjT&^~yhLN (ym*

[22:24:09]

Juski:

random quote-bot infection?

[22:24:12]

D-side:

you fellas are weirdos.

[22:24:24]

linagee:

GreyFoxx: ?

[22:24:28]

bengoodger:

d-side, yup

[22:24:35]

Juski:

do any 'normal' people use linux?

[22:24:41]

gardengnome:

Juski: me!!

[22:24:41]

Juski:

I think not

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linagee:

GreyFoxx: are you a bot?

[22:25:13]

gardengnome:

i suppose greyfoxx is teaching his children to hack ;)

[22:25:16]

Juski:

gardengnome: really? ;-)

[22:25:34]

gardengnome:

Juski: well. you saw the pictures.

[22:25:40]

linagee:

Juski: what is a 'normal' person?

[22:25:41]

Juski:

well yeah

[22:26:05]

Juski:

I've long said that 'normal' people are just candidates to be de-evolved

[22:26:07]

linagee:

gardengnome: GreyFoxx is teaching his cat to hack. (on the keyboard i think)

[22:27:06]

linagee:

normal = the same as 80% of the population. in other words, boring. :->

[22:27:37]

pickler:

GreyFoxx: may have a buggy num-lock button on a laptop hehe

[22:28:09]

bengoodger:

juski, afaik nobody normal uses linux

[22:28:12]

Juski:

apparently I was one of the 30% of people in the UK who didn't pay any attention to the (some) game (or other) the other day

[22:28:27]

linagee:

Juski: what game

[22:28:33]

Juski:

exactly

[22:28:38]

** pickler checks gills still work in a bathtub **

[22:28:39]

linagee:

Juski: seriously, what game?

[22:28:46]

Juski:

exactly!

[22:28:59]

** linagee heard from a client there was some sort of soccer thing going on or something. **

[22:29:21]

Juski:

was there? eeee modern people today, eh

[22:29:27]

bengoodger:

linagee, it's called "football" in the rest of the world.

[22:29:44]

** Juski apologises again **

[22:29:46]

Juski:

sssh!

[22:29:58]

linagee:

bengoodger: foozeball is the only fun game

[22:30:14]

bengoodger:

then again soccer is an abbreviation of "Association football"

[22:30:28]

Juski:

anagram of "why the fuck?" more like

[22:30:49]

linagee:

soccer = sock her = make me a sammich woman!

[22:30:49]

Juski:

like Ubuntu is

[22:31:03]

bengoodger:

juski, you haven't known me very long, so I'll cut to it: I'm a pendantic bastard

[22:31:17]

Juski:

heh

[22:31:32]

bengoodger:

*pedantic

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Juski:

so am I when I can be bothered. and now is not one of those times

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** linagee is gay. maybe i could pretend to be straight to some gurl just so she would iron my clothes and stuff. and when it came to sex, i'd just pretend to be really sleepy. **

[22:32:14]

linagee:

lol

[22:32:38]

bengoodger:

the World Series has always puzzled me, since baseball is regarded in the entirety of the rest of the world as a load of boring crap and thus only Americans play it; perhaps it is the national arrogance of your country that therefore spawned the name "world series"

[22:32:49]

bengoodger:

linagee, heh

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linagee:

bengoodger: all sports are boring.

[22:33:03]

bengoodger:

linagee, indeed

[22:33:07]

linagee:

bengoodger: what's so fun about sitting in a seat watching a bunch of other people have fun?

[22:33:17]

bengoodger:

england are going to lose dismally again.

[22:33:25]

gardengnome:

linagee: well. what's so fun about porn?

[22:33:25]

bengoodger:

DISMALLY I SAY

[22:33:26]

** Juski goes to sleep **

[22:33:31]

gardengnome:

night Juski

[22:33:36]

linagee:

gardengnome: who said porn was fun?

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** Juski wakes up. someone said pron! **

[22:33:49]

gardengnome:

linagee: well, it's the same with soccer.

[22:33:59]

bengoodger:

football.

[22:34:11]

Juski:

semantics!

[22:34:12]

linagee:

gardengnome: porn = usually watching two people have sex....

[22:34:17]

gardengnome:

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Juski:

only 2 people? not quite my definition...

[22:34:33]

gardengnome:

linagee: usually watching other people have fun.

[22:34:37]

linagee:

gardengnome: sports = hundreds of thousands of people watch a dozen people on a field

[22:34:42]

bengoodger:

futbalo

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gardengnome:

only people? not quite my definition.

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gardengnome:

linagee: see, it's exactly the same.

[22:35:04]

linagee:

gardengnome: do those hundreds of thousands of people really think that they will get a chance to play on that field too? they must be delusional

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gardengnome:

linagee: how is that different from porn?

[22:35:39]

Juski:

and is it just me that gets annoyed when people in emails spell their name wrongly to make it spell the same name, for the opposite sex? i.e. turning 'justin' into 'justine' ? I hate that

[22:35:44]

linagee:

gardengnome: anyone can have sex quite easily. not everyone is on that field with a dozen people.

[22:35:51]

bengoodger:

hmm, esperanto calls football "futbalo" or "piedpilko" which means "a foot game"

[22:36:19]

gardengnome:

linagee: anyone can play football quite easily. just not on that field, with those people. anyone can have sex quite easily, just not with those people and on that field.

[22:36:34]

bengoodger:

gardengnome, the english invented the word soccer, you could show your respect by not using it

[22:36:35]

gardengnome:

bengoodger: ah, you were that esperanto smartass ;)

[22:36:48]

linagee:

gardengnome: besides, who ever says porn is fun? only teenagers find porn is fun because nobody will have sex with someone underaged. most people > teenagers i know of would just go out and have sex, not watch porn continually throughout their life.

[22:37:20]

Juski:

maybe that's why us 'olds' hate teenagers... we're just jealous that we don't get it as much as they do :-P

[22:37:22]

bengoodger:

gardengnome, yes, there's quite a debate: should we stick together easily-understood morphemes, or just transliterate the English one to make it easier for the lazy americans?

[22:38:08]

linagee:

bengoodger: just call soccer and football "stupid". would solve a lot of arguments

[22:38:16]

bengoodger:

linagee.

[22:38:16]

Juski:

heheheheh

[22:38:18]

bengoodger:

yep

[22:38:46]

gardengnome:

linagee: huh? why would nobody have sex with underaged? where the fsck did you grow up?

[22:38:46]

linagee:

as in, "hey, are you going to go watch that stupid sport?"

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linagee:

gardengnome: not unless you like to go to prison

[22:39:10]

gardengnome:

bengoodger: i don't really care, i don't make the language, i'm just learning it.

[22:39:10]

linagee:

gardengnome: or be labelled as a sexual predator. (seriously)

[22:39:27]

bengoodger:

linagee, my puppy likes the taste of world cup posters.

[22:39:28]

gardengnome:

linagee: what about teenagers having sex with teenagers?

[22:39:28]

linagee:

gardengnome: grew up in good ol USA

[22:39:37]

gardengnome:

linagee: i see.

[22:39:39]

bengoodger:

gardengnome, also illegal for some reason

[22:39:40]

gardengnome:

that'd explain a lot

[22:39:43]

linagee:

gardengnome: ??? that's not allowed either.

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linagee:

gardengnome: that's just as much of a crime

[22:39:55]

linagee:

gardengnome: seriously

[22:40:04]

gardengnome:

umm.

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janneg:

linagee: not in europe

[22:40:11]

linagee:

hahaha

[22:40:12]

Mattwj2005:

hey guys

[22:40:15]

** gardengnome goes out for a smoke **

[22:40:18]

linagee:

janneg: too bad

[22:40:24]

bengoodger:

for a long time the age of consent for homosexuals in this country was 20 and then 18... only in the past few years has it caught up with 16, the age at which heterosexuals can do it

[22:40:41]

linagee:

bengoodger: pardon my english, but what the fuck?

[22:40:51]

bengoodger:

linagee?

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Juski:

this country == UK

[22:41:02]

linagee:

bengoodger: minimum age for homosexual sex = so they can arrest homosexuals have sex.

[22:41:08]

Mattwj2005:

what the heck?

[22:41:17]

bengoodger:

linagee, whuh??

[22:41:24]

linagee:

bengoodger: it should be the same age for both...

[22:41:29]

bengoodger:

linagee, I know.

[22:41:30]

linagee:

bengoodger: sex is sex is sex

[22:41:30]

Mattwj2005:

I know I get off topic sometimes but geez

[22:41:32]

Juski:

it is, now

[22:41:53]

bengoodger:

it is now, but it was a lot above for an awfully long time. irritatingly.

[22:42:14]

Hoxzer:

:D

[22:42:39]

Juski:

never stopped anything though did it?

[22:42:44]

bengoodger:

juski, nope

[22:42:44]

Juski:

anyway...

[22:42:49]

bengoodger:

yes.

[22:42:53]

bengoodger:

let's see.

[22:43:02]

bengoodger:

I'm going to order my motherboard tomorrow

[22:43:11]

Juski:

nice segue ;-)

[22:43:26]

Hoxzer:

;)

[22:43:27]

bengoodger:

luckily the cashpoint is open 24/7 unlike my bank which is open 4/3

[22:44:07]

Hoxzer:

Juski: what distro do u use in your box?

[22:44:23]

Juski:

gentoo & minimyth for the frontend

[22:44:27]

linagee:

Juski: this is true. it never stopped anyone. but think about it. then it made it easier for police to arrest people. namely, homosexuals.

[22:44:35]

Juski:

gentoo is a PoS and so are the other distros

[22:44:54]

bengoodger:

juski, I'd be using gentoo if I had a degree in ALSA

[22:45:01]

bengoodger:

:)

[22:45:18]

bengoodger:

piece of crap...

[22:45:18]

Anduin:

hadees: I'm pretty sure everyone runs it the manly way, ever now and then people ask about using kdevelop, etc, I don't know anyone who actually does though.

[22:45:40]

bengoodger:

linagee, let's not be too defensive

[22:45:54]

linagee:

bengoodger: minimum age for sex is just silly. you should just have to pass a test to make sure you're mature enough so that way people aren't having sex with babies and weird shit like that.

[22:46:06]

Juski:

there's too much positive discrimination as it is. stop being a victim

[22:46:24]

bengoodger:

some homophobe jew decides that gays must be burned, the world accepts it.

[22:46:24]

linagee:

Juski: just because it's the truth

[22:46:34]

Mattwj2005:

people should have common sense...bottom line

[22:46:40]

Juski:

yup

[22:47:07]

gardengnome:

linagee: now you're getting really ridiculous. do you think people should have some kind of "genital licence"? maybe including getting their vision checked so they don't fornicate with people they didn't really want?

[22:47:11]

bengoodger:

society struggles to overcome it, but only now do we realise that bisexuality is the norm

[22:47:15]

linagee:

Mattwj2005: people don't have common sense. if they did, there would be no such thing as murder, cheating, forgery, stealing, do i have to go on?

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Mattwj2005:

good point

[22:47:33]

linagee:

gardengnome: LOL

[22:47:35]

Juski:

human beings are evil to one another. accept that & move on ;-)

[22:47:48]

bengoodger:

juski, hear hear

[22:47:49]

linagee:

gardengnome: fornication license. lol. that actually might be interesting...

[22:47:50]

Mattwj2005:

common sense is unfortunately uncommon

[22:47:55]

bengoodger:

!trout linagee

[22:47:55]

** MythLogBot slaps linagee with a trout on behalf of bengoodger... **

[22:48:17]

bengoodger:

I wonder if this thing accepts rejexes

[22:48:20]

linagee:

gardengnome: maybe genetically modify humans so sperm is innert unless you have enabled it with a nanobot...

[22:48:30]

Mattwj2005:

I am only like that when it comes to MythTV ;)

[22:48:33]

Juski:

if it wasn't homosexuality, race, creed or religion it'd be something else like hair colour or eye colour

[22:48:36]

bengoodger:

!trout [linagee,juski]

[22:48:36]

** MythLogBot slaps [linagee,juski] with a trout on behalf of bengoodger... **

[22:48:37]

linagee:

gardengnome: that way, stupid people can't breed. lol

[22:48:44]

bengoodger:

hooray

[22:48:51]

gardengnome:

linagee: unfortunately, it seems like only the stupid people do breed.

[22:49:09]

linagee:

gardengnome: just look at all the evidence on irc. lol

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Juski:

heh. darwin said nothing about mental fitness in his theories...

[22:49:21]

bengoodger:

juski, homophobia is left over from this species' first civilisations

[22:49:26]

gardengnome:

linagee: heh ;)

[22:49:37]

gardengnome:

Juski: no, unfortunately not. that'd be really interesting.

[22:49:45]

bengoodger:

namely the jews of the old testament and the ancient greeks

[22:49:57]

bengoodger:

they screwed up a lot of things for us

[22:50:03]

Juski:

bengoodger: it's always the thin end of the wedge. we're born prejudiced one way or another

[22:50:18]

bengoodger:

meh

[22:50:26]

** bengoodger wishes he could set topic **

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linagee:

bengoodger: interestingly enough, back before the year 0 AD, homosexuals were treated like everyone else...

[22:50:32]

gardengnome:

screwed up? they were trying to protect their tribes. gay people don't really breed ;)

[22:50:40]

linagee:

bengoodger: i guess people just got stupid

[22:50:46]

Juski:

people have this impression of humans being so evolved & civilised – yet we're not so different from animals apart from some of us enjoy killing & hurting others

[22:50:52]

linagee:

gardengnome: gay people can adopt

[22:50:59]

gardengnome:

and, uh, i think homosexuality was pretty common in ancient greece

[22:51:01]

bengoodger:

linagee, judaism was the worst thing ever to happen to this planet

[22:51:05]

linagee:

gardengnome: exactly

[22:51:09]

gardengnome:

linagee: yeah, but prolly not 2000 years ago.

[22:51:19]

gardengnome:

bengoodger: how so?

[22:51:20]

linagee:

bengoodger: did you see da vinci code? lol

[22:51:34]

Juski:

oh hell

[22:52:00]

bengoodger:

I've read the old testament, and you must admit that most of the world's problems comes from interpretation of it

[22:52:03]

linagee:

bengoodger: i like the way it all fit together. hah. how the catholic church burning people at the steak = trying to rid the world of jesus' children so he seems more divine

[22:52:18]

gardengnome:

Juski: can i have some of that JD? *sigh*

[22:52:22]

bengoodger:

linagee, I read it. it was great. I watched it, it was shite

[22:52:30]

linagee:

bengoodger: TRUE! here here

[22:52:34]

Juski:

gardengnome: of course!

[22:52:38]

linagee:

bengoodger: i did the same. tom hanks was awful

[22:52:48]

Juski:

tom hanks was tom hanks then

[22:52:52]

linagee:

lol

[22:52:53]

gardengnome:

bengoodger: well, yes. interpretations. but i don't think the jews screwed up as badly as the church did.

[22:53:16]

bengoodger:

gardengnome, but christianity would never have arrived if judaism hadn't

[22:53:27]

gardengnome:

bengoodger: the jews didn't really have a chance to screw up, they were way too busy with their diaspora stuff.

[22:53:29]

linagee:

bengoodger: the movie seemed like they got a third grader to read da vinci code, explain it to a set of movie writers, and the movie writers put their own twist on it.

[22:53:32]

bengoodger:

linagee, and they hacked out 2/3 of the book to make it seem less complicated to americans with attention spans the size of...

[22:53:41]

bengoodger:

ah

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** bengoodger and linagee arrive at same conclusions simultaneously **

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linagee:

heh

[22:54:13]

linagee:

bengoodger: same with jurassic park even

[22:54:17]

gardengnome:

bengoodger: of course. but jesus, or especially the easter event, made things start. the jesus group was just another part of judaism and then they split off slowly, becoming the church and pushing the jews away

[22:54:17]

** Juski has seen 'the da vinci code' described as a 'great novel'... in terms of trash you'd read on a 2 hour flight... and he agrees with that sentiment **

[22:54:28]

bengoodger:

gardengnome, I don't want to kill modern jews now, I'm in no way antisemitic

[22:54:33]

Juski:

aaaaaaaaaaaaaanyway....

[22:54:48]

linagee:

bengoodger: it's funny though. i was so anxious to see the movie da vinci code because the book was so good, but when the movie did such a poor job, argh

[22:54:54]

Mattwj2005:

hey did anyone see my list of HDTV channels in my area? http://www.johnweeks.com/stuff/dtvmsp.html#DTV

[22:55:00]

Juski:

chutt's gonna come in & start whooping yo asses shortly

[22:55:06]

gardengnome:

Juski: heh, prolly

[22:55:11]

janneg:

but jurassic park had nice SGIs

[22:55:15]

bengoodger:

CGIs

[22:55:24]

bengoodger:

*pedantry at work(

[22:55:33]

Mattwj2005:

*is trying to get back to Mythtv*

[22:55:33]

linagee:

janneg: i know how to use this! it's a unix system! -jurassic park girl

[22:55:36]

gardengnome:

bengoodger: well, they prolly did their CGI on SGI boxen

[22:55:46]

bengoodger:

meh

[22:55:51]

linagee:

janneg: then she pulls out this gui thing for controlling the doors.... sure...

[22:55:59]

bengoodger:

linagee, a similar program to that exists now

[22:56:01]

linagee:

janneg: 3d GUI thing, rather

[22:56:15]

linagee:

bengoodger: for managing files. but not controlling doors. lol

[22:56:18]

bengoodger:

meh

[22:56:44]

bengoodger:

it's amazing how much CGI evolved from 1986 to 1993, though

[22:56:51]

linagee:

bengoodger: and that one program the guy wrote on a mac. "ah ah ah. you didn't say the magic word!"

[22:56:54]

linagee:

hahha

[22:57:11]

linagee:

i guess macs are just evil

[22:57:27]

bengoodger:

1986 had that crappy theme park/clone/reporter thingy with the polygonal 3d models moving slowly in space

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bengoodger:

which was made to look like a CGI, on a computer screen

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bengoodger:

and then we have 1993's jurassic park, which was damned awesome

[22:58:10]

linagee:

bengoodger: you mean when they were talking about splicing frog DNA and the guy had those gloves on manipulating the 3D image? ;p;

[22:58:11]

linagee:

lol

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bengoodger:

heh

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bengoodger:

meh

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Juski:

join #non-lame-irc-network

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** linagee saw this really neat old SGI once. it was very pretty and had a little screen on the front of the rackmount. **

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gardengnome:

/server +localhost 6667

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linagee:

i bet it was like a 286 or something

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janneg:

bengoodger: I'm pretty sure it was Irix running on that machines

[23:00:04]

bengoodger:

the first time I saw the number 286 it was on Jazz Jackrabbit

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** scottder cringes at the thought of Irix **

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bengoodger:

with a number of sound quality options, 286, 386, 486, Pentium

[23:00:41]

linagee:

bengoodger: name that movie: "did your mom buy you a puter for christmas?"

[23:00:51]

bengoodger:

linagee, no idea

[23:00:58]

linagee:

anyone?

[23:01:09]

bengoodger:

hold on one moment

[23:01:15]

linagee:

so you can google? :-P

[23:01:40]

Dagmar:

Please don't be pathetic.

[23:01:46]

bengoodger:

meh

[23:01:52]

linagee:

Dagmar: exactly. everyone knows what movie that comes from

[23:01:55]

bengoodger:

I never watch current films.

[23:02:03]

linagee:

it's not that new

[23:02:05]

bengoodger:

and I'm 15, so never watched old ones either

[23:02:08]

Dagmar:

No, there's plenty of people who've never seen it.

[23:02:20]

Dagmar:

It's not like seeing that particular movie makes you smarter or gives you magic powers, either.

[23:02:25]

bengoodger:

outfoxed linux

[23:02:27]

linagee:

bengoodger: it's hackers. Nikon says this when they come to his apartment.

[23:02:27]

bengoodger:

oops

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bengoodger:

oh

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Dagmar:

First and foremost, it is *strictly fantasy* so it is about as relevant as a sack of turnips.

[23:02:52]

Juski:

they made a film about h@xx0r5 ?

[23:02:56]

Juski:

w00t!

[23:02:58]

bengoodger:

hackers as in GNOME or hackers as in my ICT teacher screaming "HACKERS!!! GET OUT AND STOP CALLING ME BADGER!"

[23:02:58]

linagee:

Dagmar: true. hollywood is hollywood. :-P

[23:03:03]

linagee:

Juski: LOL. right

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linagee:

bengoodger: go to your library in the history section and check out the movie. :-P

[23:03:58]

bengoodger:

linagee, my library won't have anything on it, I promise

[23:04:10]

bengoodger:

it's bloody tiny

[23:04:29]

bengoodger:

even the Windows XP machines running Telnet will be unable to help me

[23:04:50]

linagee:

bengoodger: running telnet to an HPUX in some basement somewhere. LOL.

[23:04:54]

bengoodger:

sodding proprietary county-wide M$-served Cornwall County Library network

[23:05:01]

bengoodger:

linagee, precisely

[23:05:35]

bengoodger:

this is the sort of computer system that sends you a letter after 30 days of a book being later

[23:05:37]

bengoodger:

*late

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bengoodger:

which is a week more than the original loan, and entails fines of about £10

[23:06:07]

linagee:

10 pounds of what

[23:06:14]

bengoodger:

ten pounds.

[23:06:20]

linagee:

of....

[23:06:25]

bengoodger:

in the real world the pound is a currency, dolt.

[23:06:31]

linagee:

:-P real world

[23:06:45]

linagee:

bengoodger: you should at least use euros or something./

[23:06:54]

gardengnome:

UK vs USA. round 1. fight!

[23:07:03]

Dagmar:

I don't think linagee is allowed to speak for the USA

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D-side:

gardengnome: i think thats round 3 by now.

[23:07:10]

linagee:

gardengnome: pound is a measurement of weight. :)

[23:07:19]

sloncho:

hi. trying to install mythtv on ubuntu 6.06. At the phase of installing ivtv I hit a rock :(. After downloading and unpacking the firmware, the driver can not find the firmware files. Reading the ubuntu-mythtv tutorial, I need to rename and place some files in /lib/hotplug/firmware, but /lib/hotplug is not present in 6.06, and the guide is for 5.10. Any ideas?

[23:07:21]

gardengnome:

linagee: it's both.

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D-side:

i seem to recall the 1770s and 1812

[23:07:30]

bengoodger:

linagee, there's a very special reason for The United Kingdom of Great Britain and her Empires and Northern Ireland not to use the euro

[23:07:42]

linagee:

because....

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bengoodger:

one is F***** unicode.

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bengoodger:

the other is that sterling is the most valuable currency on earth, and we're somewhat proud of it

[23:08:08]

linagee:

bengoodger: just use the character E.

[23:08:18]

linagee:

bengoodger: excuse me sir, can i borrow E5?

[23:08:23]

linagee:

like that

[23:08:27]

linagee:

lol

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bengoodger:

198 Yen to the Pound, wewt

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Dagmar:

sloncho: What's `udevinfo -V` say?

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linagee:

bengoodger: so 1 pound = 1 pound of sterling?

[23:08:58]

bengoodger:

the third is that Britain doesn't want to be controlled by the EU any more than we are already

[23:09:13]

linagee:

controlled by the EU?

[23:09:23]

bengoodger:

linagee, £1 was 1 imperial pound of sterling silver in the eleventh century

[23:09:28]

sloncho:

Dagmar: udevinfo, version 079

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EnterUserName:

hello

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bengoodger:

since then it's devalued somewhat

[23:09:36]

linagee:

bengoodger: see! see! pound = weight. :)

[23:09:43]

EnterUserName:

the proper database tables are not being created

[23:09:49]

EnterUserName:

with ubuntu

[23:09:51]

EnterUserName:

s installation

[23:09:52]

EnterUserName:

dapper

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bengoodger:

linagee, anywho, we've got our own economy

[23:10:07]

EnterUserName:

im running mythfilldatabase adn its saying can not find table

[23:10:10]

linagee:

bengoodger: gold is more valuable than sterling. :-P

[23:10:17]

bengoodger:

Labour are screwing it up quite nicely on our own

[23:10:21]

bengoodger:

*thei

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bengoodger:

r

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EnterUserName:

any ideas how i can create these tables properly?

[23:10:23]

linagee:

bengoodger: platinum is even more valuable. :-P

[23:10:28]

bengoodger:

linagee, we know

[23:10:36]

linagee:

bengoodger: but not as shiny or cool looking

[23:10:39]

bengoodger:

unfortunately those are somewhat rare in the British Isles

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bengoodger:

the area near me is particularly rich in copper uranide, heh

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Dagmar:

sloncho: Should be the same place it is in mine then.. Just stick 'em in /lib/firmware

[23:11:19]

linagee:

bengoodger: you should mine it and make a fortune. :-P

[23:11:39]

bengoodger:

linagee, unfortunately there's a town called Tavistock on it

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linagee:

bengoodger: go to ebay and buy the town. :)

[23:11:54]

sloncho:

Dagmar: ok, I'll try, thanks. Btw, do u manually put them there, or you have used some other way of installing it

[23:12:08]

bengoodger:

and some others, called: Bere Alston, Bere Ferrers, Calstock, Gunnislake, etc

[23:12:15]

bengoodger:

anywho.

[23:12:25]

Dagmar:

sloncho: I just copy 'em there

[23:12:30]

bengoodger:

linagee, anyway, we've got our own economy, it's far stronger than the EU one and we don't want to let go

[23:12:35]

sloncho:

Dagmar, thanks

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Dagmar:

sloncho: Alternatively, look in /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent

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Dagmar:

sloncho: IF it exists at all, it will have a variable in it named FIRMWARE_DIR, the use of which should be obvious

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EnterUserName:

hi

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sloncho:

Dagmar, I have no /etc/hotplug

[23:13:46]

EnterUserName:

where do i get the latest build

[23:13:49]

Dagmar:

Then thta's a good thing

[23:13:49]

linagee:

sloncho: get a better dist

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EnterUserName:

withthe fixes of mythtv

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bengoodger:

so in conclusion there are four major currencies: £, €, $ and ¥ in that order of strength.

[23:14:07]

sloncho:

linagee: like what :)

[23:14:09]

bengoodger:

ours is the best, so there, and ha.

[23:14:18]

linagee:

bengoodger: sure....

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linagee:

bengoodger: $ should be first

[23:14:38]

EnterUserName:

anyone

[23:14:46]

EnterUserName:

where cani get the latest fix build?

[23:14:46]

bengoodger:

the pound is currently worth about $1.90

[23:14:52]

Dagmar:

linagee: Dude, I already asked nicely about not being pathetic. Why you gotta go and shoot your mouth off like that

[23:15:00]

linagee:

:-D

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Juski:

EnterUserName: svn.mythtv.org – 2nd paragraph. you need to build it yourself unless your distro already has packages for it

[23:15:20]

bengoodger:

dagmar, play nicely

[23:15:28]

linagee:

bengoodger: it's always taken two pounds to make one US dollar. (making dollars more valuable)

[23:15:38]

Dagmar:

There's nothing wrong with a distro *not* having an /etc/hotplug. The hotplug package is now *deprecated* with everything handled by udev

[23:15:51]

bengoodger:

linagee, ?

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** linagee confuses bengoodger **

[23:16:02]

linagee:

:-D

[23:16:12]

Dagmar:

For a system to not have an /etc/hotplug at all is rather likely a good thing

[23:16:30]

bengoodger:

the pound is worth $1.85; the dollar is worth 55p

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bengoodger:

54

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linagee:

what is a p

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bengoodger:

penny.

[23:17:02]

bengoodger:

or pence.

[23:17:07]

Dagmar:

I was wondering there.

[23:17:17]

Dagmar:

You say "penny" to him and you'll just confuse him.

[23:17:18]

Juski:

enough jingoist bullshit, PLEASE

[23:17:28]

janneg:

bengoodger: 1 Maltese Lira = 1.59565 British Pound

[23:17:30]

bengoodger:

dagmar, the transition to udev was a sod in dapper

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linagee:

bengoodger: you mean ¢?

[23:17:40]

bengoodger:

linagee, i suppose

[23:18:17]

** linagee slaps bengoodger with a fistful of €'s. :-D **

[23:18:40]

bengoodger:

janneg, malta is hardly a major world economy

[23:19:12]

Dagmar:

It is if you're a conspiracy nut.

[23:19:17]

bengoodger:

linagee, ten-pound notes are better printed than $10 bills and don't contain images of the twin towers' demise

[23:19:32]

bengoodger:

dagmar, the transition to udev was a sod

[23:19:42]

Dagmar:

I saw you say that already.

[23:19:46]

bengoodger:

screwed up dapper upgrading for me in january

[23:19:47]

linagee:

bengoodger: "better printed"?

[23:19:52]

Dagmar:

Not knowing exactly what you mean by "sod" in this context, I'm remaining silen.

[23:19:52]

bengoodger:

oh

[23:20:13]

bengoodger:

dagmar, a sod is a lump of peat.

[23:20:28]

bengoodger:

used as a swear word

[23:20:29]

Dagmar:

There have been a lot of changes to udev lately. Some of which get "upset" if hotplugd is still around and being run.

[23:20:40]

bengoodger:

hence "sodding", "sods", "sod that"

[23:20:45]

linagee:

bengoodger: just because you can exchange one currency for another and there is an exchange rate does not mean that you can buy something for the same number of bills.

[23:20:50]

sloncho:

Dagmar: this worked, thanks

[23:21:03]

Dagmar:

My problem was that you used a slang noun for a verb.

[23:21:08]

Dagmar:

That's why it didn't make sense to me

[23:21:16]

bengoodger:

dagmar, meh

[23:21:21]

bengoodger:

linagee, let's say an arbitrary game costs $30

[23:21:24]

janneg:

bengoodger: england neither. but who cares. just wanted to make the point that GBP is not the "most valuable" currency on earth

[23:21:28]

bengoodger:

it will also cost £30

[23:21:29]

Dagmar:

Most people would just say "a**f**k", which is, of course, a verb as well. :)

[23:21:31]

linagee:

bengoodger: thirty US dollars

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linagee:

bengoodger: NO. it will not

[23:21:42]

linagee:

bengoodger: that is never true

[23:21:42]

bengoodger:

it will.

[23:21:44]

linagee:

no

[23:21:46]

linagee:

look online

[23:21:46]

bengoodger:

yep.

[23:21:49]

linagee:

no

[23:21:56]

linagee:

i've never seen it happen like that

[23:22:00]

bengoodger:

black and white 2

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Dagmar:

I could *swear* I thought I left this sort of thing behind when I stopped hanging out in ##Linux

[23:22:16]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: same for me, but with the ircnet.

[23:22:21]

bengoodger:

£9.99 on amazon.co.uk

[23:22:25]

Juski:

same here

[23:22:46]

** Juski supposes amazon _never_ have loss-leaders **

[23:22:51]

Juski:

;-)

[23:22:54]

linagee:

bengoodger: $14.98 in the US

[23:22:54]

bengoodger:

meh

[23:22:56]

Dagmar:

If you guys keep this up, everyone's going to know linagee is 9.

[23:22:58]

linagee:

bengoodger: amazon.com

[23:23:06]

linagee:

Dagmar: 9?

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bengoodger:

it used to happen all the time

[23:23:16]

bengoodger:

dagmar, you can't be 9 and gay

[23:23:29]

Dagmar:

linagee: You're either nine or you've sustained a head injury which would explain why you don't know this stuff.

[23:23:32]

bengoodger:

any more than you can be 9 and straight

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linagee:

Dagmar: years old? pounds? dollars?

[23:23:56]

Dagmar:

Head injury then.

[23:24:02]

bengoodger:

ok, HL2, $20

[23:24:26]

Dagmar:

Only if you're buying it from Russians who let you "download it"

[23:24:29]

linagee:

bengoodger: list price on amazon.com, $39.99 (US Dollars)

[23:25:01]

linagee:

Dagmar: true. software is a bad example. you can get it for pennies from streets in japan.

[23:25:01]

bengoodger:

meh

[23:25:24]

bengoodger:

it used to be like that, exactly like that

[23:25:31]

Juski:

server irc.freenode.net

[23:25:34]

Juski:

hmmm

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linagee:

bengoodger: i've never known it to "be like that"

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bengoodger:

ok, I'll shut up now

[23:25:50]

linagee:

thanks. :-D

[23:26:21]

Dagmar:

linagee: That's not called "buying software". That's called "bribing a pirate for warez credits"

[23:26:31]

linagee:

Dagmar: buying the media. lol

[23:26:31]

bengoodger:

Dagmar, true

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Dagmar:

I have a special perl script I use when those people spam me

[23:27:01]

linagee:

Dagmar: just curious, warez credits?

[23:27:11]

Dagmar:

linagee: Dude, I am not explaining that to you.

[23:27:22]

linagee:

Dagmar: i think it's better like that...

[23:27:22]

Dagmar:

Pick up the cluephone.

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** linagee does not deal in warez credits **

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bengoodger:

I need a better bittorrent client. anyone know of one that's breezy packaged?

[23:28:31]

linagee:

cool. 500GB drive for $205!

[23:28:33]

Juski:

ctorrent?

[23:28:45]

** bengoodger looks **

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bengoodger:

linagee, oog

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** bengoodger looks **

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bengoodger:

url?

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linagee:

bengoodger: US dollars. :-P

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bengoodger:

I'm well aware of that

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bengoodger:

IDE or SATA?

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linagee:

looks like the deal is gone too.... pricewatch lied.

[23:29:25]

bengoodger:

damnation

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linagee:

next one up is $223

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bengoodger:

why does azureus require seamonkey? *cries*

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Dagmar:

Are either of you using MythTV?

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linagee:

bengoodger: i can buy a harddrive for 175 pounds....

[23:30:46]

bengoodger:

linagree, wowee

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linagee:

bengoodger: er, same one. 500GB.

[23:30:57]

bengoodger:

I can buy one for £30, so there

[23:31:03]

linagee:

bengoodger: huh? 500GB?

[23:31:11]

bengoodger:

normie, 40

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linagee:

bengoodger: how much does a 500GB drive cost there. cheapest price you know of.

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bengoodger:

what in hell happened there? meh

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bengoodger:

normie, 40

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** linagee wants to see if it's cheaper to buy out of the country. :-> **

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bengoodger:

£135

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Dagmar:

We're getting one of these in at the office next week. It's awesome. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5125780462773187994

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linagee:

bengoodger: i just went on xe.com, 227 dollars (price to buy here including shipping) is 122 pounds.

[23:33:48]

linagee:

bengoodger: can you buy the drive over there for 122 pounds?

[23:34:16]

bengoodger:

this is going on froogle

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bengoodger:

so it's most likely not the same driver

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bengoodger:

what number?

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linagee:

bengoodger: 135 pounds would be 249 dollars.

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bengoodger:

model

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linagee:

bengoodger: sec

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sloncho:

hi, is there a repo for ubuntu 6.06 mythtv packages?

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linagee:

Hitachi 7k500

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linagee:

500GB, 7200RPM, PATA

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linagee:

ew, PATA

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bengoodger:

cheapest is £125

[23:36:05]

bengoodger:

and fourpence

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bengoodger:

does anyone know of a program that can convert RTF to LaTeX?

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linagee:

cheapest i find on froogle is $223 (same as pricewatch...)

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reze:

someone's using a Nova-T USB2 here?

[23:36:58]

linagee:

ah! same site. lol

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bengoodger:

OOo's kerning is dreadful

[23:37:38]

linagee:

bengoodger: 125? nope.

[23:37:47]

linagee:

bengoodger: i'm looking at UK froogle. :-P

[23:37:57]

linagee:

bengoodger: that's a 160GB drive you lyer. :-P

[23:38:12]

bengoodger:

you told me 7k50

[23:38:17]

bengoodger:

7k500

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linagee:

the first 500GB drive is 172 pounds according to froogle

[23:39:23]

bengoodger:

'I meant,' said Ipslore, bitterly, 'what is there in this world that makes living worth while?'

[23:39:23]

bengoodger:

Death thought about it.

[23:39:23]

bengoodger:

CATS, he said eventually, CATS ARE NICE.

[23:39:29]

bengoodger:

heheh

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linagee:

bengoodger: it comes out pretty damned close when you do the currency conversion

[23:40:16]

bengoodger:

ah well

[23:40:41]

bengoodger:

things are almost always cheaper to import to here from the USA than to buy here

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sloncho:

anto9us: thanks. for some reason I had only backports multiverse enabled, but not dapper multiverse. now I have the packages

[23:41:01]

linagee:

(not including any fees they would charge you for changing to foreign currency, import/export taxes, shipping, argh.)

[23:41:40]

linagee:

bengoodger: that's weird. i don't think we make those drives here. i bet they just buy them all from china or japan or some place.

[23:42:13]

bengoodger:

of course

[23:42:43]

linagee:

bengoodger: http://tinyurl.com/qqevw

[23:42:49]

bengoodger:

but once stored in your warehouses, it is cheaper for us to ship them over here and pay you than to pay our own retailers

[23:43:13]

linagee:

where the heck is Shenzhen?

[23:43:39]

linagee:

bengoodger: LOL. ship them around in a circle until someone is willing to part with one for cheap. :->

[23:44:02]

bengoodger:

indeed

[23:44:14]

bengoodger:

or air mail, if I'm very rich, which I'm not.

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linagee:

bengoodger: btw, 500GB drives are nice for mythtv. buy a couple, make a massive raid, put tons of shows on them. :->

[23:45:21]

bengoodger:

eek, raid.

[23:45:32]

bengoodger:

250gb ATA for me for the moment.

[23:45:53]

bengoodger:

budget is £630 for frontend, tuners, storage and part of desktop replacement

[23:46:05]

linagee:

bengoodger: LOL! the parts are made in Shenzhen (?), but then they are shipped to Philippines or Thailand for assembly! hah!

[23:46:19]

bengoodger:

hmm

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linagee:

making components = high precision work. assembling components = an ape could do it. :->

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bengoodger:

so essentially they make their way across every political continent except europe

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linagee:

bengoodger: it would be nice to be able to buy the components yourself and assemble them. LOL. i'm sure it's not too difficult. :->

[23:48:27]

bengoodger:

gaaahhahahahaaa.a.a...

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linagee:

hehehe

[23:48:38]

linagee:

bengoodger: just make a cleanroom

[23:48:52]

bengoodger:

my 60Hz CRT is really really bad for reading discworld on with OOo.

[23:49:12]

bengoodger:

perhaps my ipod..

[23:49:22]

linagee:

ah. here is Shenzhen. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenzhen

[23:49:33]

linagee:

it's in china

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bengoodger:

/hong kong

[23:50:09]

linagee:

china/hong kong

[23:50:13]

linagee:

it's a border city. :-P

[23:51:16]

bengoodger:

like Berwick-Upon-Tweed?

[23:51:26]

** linagee should learn chinese. then you can negotiate deals over there. lol **

[23:52:50]

bengoodger:

who's in favour of me putting Sourcery on my ipod rather than this computer?

[23:53:52]

Juski:

iTP goes on ipods, I thought

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linagee:

iTP?

[23:54:35]

Juski:

TP == toilet paper

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linagee:

Juski: if you're using one of those apple laptops that look like a toilet seat cover, i can see that happening... :->

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linagee:

"clamshell"

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enterusername:

hello

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enterusername:

where do u set up the password and database for mythtv-backend?

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enterusername:

and where can i find the mysql.sql for 0.18?

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enterusername:

for mythtv

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Anduin:

enterusername: Look for a guide for your distro

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