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| [00:04:48] | gardengnome: | juski: did you have any trouble with segfaults and kernel oopses on the s100? |
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| [00:07:13] | lwizardl: | hi |
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| [00:08:22] | lwizardl: | can mythtv function as a UPnP server ? |
| [00:08:50] | Agrajag-: | latest svn has some UPnP stuff yeah |
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| [00:13:10] | lwizardl: | Agrajag-, is anyone working on getting the mythtv software to be function with the xbox360? |
| [00:13:39] | xris: | lwizardl: I don't think the upnp stuff quite ready, though. cdev would know mode, but he only hangs out in the developers channel |
| [00:13:46] | xris: | and I think he's afk now |
| [00:14:12] | lwizardl: | cdev or dev ? |
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| [00:24:41] | oremj: | does anyone have any experience with the wintv-usb2 under linux? |
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| [00:29:05] | gardengnome: | GreyFoxx: got that patch for me? :) |
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| [00:30:40] | GreyFoxx: | gardengnome: I' |
| [00:31:01] | GreyFoxx: | gardengnome: I'm just running tothe store, backin 20 minutes, I'll put it up then |
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| [00:31:11] | gardengnome: | GreyFoxx: no problem :) |
| [00:31:19] | gardengnome: | GreyFoxx: don't get stressed over it ;) |
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| [00:43:51] | JohnP789: | Hope this isn't too off-topic for this channel, but what's a good way to get rid of rolling horizontal bars? I think I have a ground loop. |
| [00:44:45] | JohnP789: | I was thinking of trying to find an isolation transformer for my CATV line. |
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| [00:50:48] | Dagmar: | That's not going to filter out the noise |
| [00:51:12] | Dagmar: | If you want to get rid of a ground loop, then have an actual electrician come out and check the grounding in your house wiring |
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| [01:06:26] | JohnP789: | Ground loops are normal. |
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| [01:07:19] | JohnP789: | Little ones, anyway. |
| [01:09:41] | Dagmar: | Not in a datacenter they're not |
| [01:09:50] | Dagmar: | ...and they shouldn't be normal in a home, either. |
| [01:09:56] | Dagmar: | It's too easy to make a proper ground. |
| [01:10:49] | ** pickler looks at a copper 3 foot sheet and some cable ** | |
| [01:11:39] | JohnP789: | Depends on how picky you are, but I agree it should be easy enough to get rid of my hum bars. |
| [01:11:46] | pickler: | I wonder what would happen if i get up on the roof with the copper.. :_W |
| [01:12:28] | Dagmar: | To put it another way, if you ground your CATV, you'll get no signal. |
| [01:13:20] | JohnP789: | Ground the shield. |
| [01:13:24] | Dagmar: | You can re-ground the ground part of it, but the center wire you can't mess with |
| [01:13:34] | JohnP789: | http://www.elect-spec.com/video.htm#Isolator is the kind of product I was thinking of trying. |
| [01:13:53] | Dagmar: | ...and if it's not properly grounded already, I'd call and make the cable company fix it |
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| [01:16:34] | Dagmar: | "Speed up Internet Downloads". *snicker* |
| [01:17:02] | JohnP789: | Yeah, the page is goofy. |
| [01:17:09] | JohnP789: | But, the problem is real anyway. |
| [01:17:27] | Dagmar: | They want *way* too much for that stuff |
| [01:17:34] | JohnP789: | Yep. |
| [01:17:40] | JohnP789: | Digikey, here I come. :-) |
| [01:19:52] | JohnP789: | It just seems like every time I hook up a PC in one room to a TV in another room, and both are connected to CATV, I get hum bars. |
| [01:20:23] | JohnP789: | Different lengths of run of the CATV might be enough to do it. |
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| [01:21:29] | Dagmar: | It might be time to think about driving some more ground poles under the house if you own it |
| [01:21:57] | JohnP789: | Seems easier to break the grounding at one end of the CATV line. |
| [01:22:13] | Dagmar: | One marge mallet, a healthy disregard for buried pipes, and some 10-guage wire is all you need |
| [01:22:46] | JohnP789: | hehe |
| [01:22:58] | JohnP789: | Maybe if I *didn't* own the house.... |
| [01:23:13] | JohnP789: | http://www.epanorama.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=8864& |
| [01:23:25] | JohnP789: | "you could get rid of video hum bars just by putting a peice of plastic bag (I used a sandwich bag) and screw the RF connector right over it." |
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| [01:23:59] | Dagmar: | lol |
| [01:24:13] | Dagmar: | That's almost as good as sticking a hot dog on the end of an aerial, wrapped in tin foil |
| [01:24:36] | JohnP789: | How so? |
| [01:24:49] | Dagmar: | He' getting rid of his ground loop by breaking the ground entirely |
| [01:25:09] | JohnP789: | One one end. |
| [01:26:37] | Dagmar: | This *is* electicity we're talking about |
| [01:26:42] | Dagmar: | One end, both ends, somewhere in the middle. |
| [01:26:49] | Dagmar: | If there's no circuit there is no loop |
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| [01:27:58] | JohnP789: | You still want a grounded shield, not a floating shield. |
| [01:28:14] | JohnP789: | But it's best grounded only at one end in some circumstances. |
| [01:28:47] | Dagmar: | Such as when your house wiring is cheap |
| [01:31:00] | Dagmar: | I just prefer to get really flexible landlords, myself. |
| [01:31:31] | Dagmar: | I've left a couple of apartments with ethernet in the walls and regrounded outlets |
| [01:34:09] | JohnP789: | I've done similar stuff myself. In this case, I think it's probably a matter of distance. |
| [01:34:25] | JohnP789: | Nothing wrong with 14-gauge romex for grounding. |
| [01:36:29] | Dagmar: | I don't know if that's going to affect it significantly or not. I just know that for computer equipment, it's gotta be 10-guage, so I don't deviate |
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| [01:37:00] | Dagmar: | Bigger wire, lower resistance, less reason for the juice to go anywhere but the earth |
| [01:37:32] | JohnP789: | There should be only negligible current on the ground line. |
| [01:37:49] | Dagmar: | Your video signal is going to be even less tho |
| [01:38:41] | Dagmar: | ...or rather, the video signal doesn't amount to anything more than "negligible" current itself. |
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| [01:39:29] | JohnP789: | The voltage drop of a neglible current in several meters of 14-gauge copper is small compared to the CATV signal. |
| [01:40:41] | JohnP789: | I'll fix it somehow. Anyway, on a somewhat related note, ever had a "tick tick tick" sound on just one analog CATV channel? |
| [01:40:55] | JohnP789: | (Using a PVR-500 for capture here.) |
| [01:41:03] | JohnP789: | The sound on that channel is fine on the TV. |
| [01:41:08] | dev: | http://www.google.com/help/netneutrality.html |
| [01:41:10] | JohnP789: | Just not when captured. |
| [01:41:48] | Dagmar: | I like how some of the bills being proposed are the exact opposite of what geeks consider net neutrality |
| [01:42:03] | Dagmar: | That's just precious right there |
| [01:42:30] | dev: | its pretty disheartening, this whole thing |
| [01:42:45] | dev: | but these days nothing surprises me |
| [01:42:48] | dev: | heh |
| [01:43:15] | Dagmar: | It's all part of the New Idiocy. |
| [01:43:34] | Dagmar: | The process of using lawyers to carve out new markets where normally no new markets are possible. |
| [01:43:52] | Dagmar: | They're flat out wanting to be able to hit up Google and the other large sites for money |
| [01:44:06] | dev: | yup. |
| [01:44:17] | Dagmar: | This is no more stupid than charging both parties long distance fees for a long-distance call |
| [01:45:06] | JohnP789: | Wireless phones in the US are a little like that. |
| [01:46:57] | JohnP789: | Gotta run. See if I can find a plastic baggie.... :-) |
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| [01:53:06] | awa64_: | Hrm. KnoppMyth STILL isn't working. And I've still got an hour left on the download of the Fedora DVD. |
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| [01:55:05] | Cardoe: | DVD? |
| [01:55:10] | Cardoe: | you need a DVD to install Fedora? |
| [01:55:12] | Cardoe: | holy crap |
| [01:55:17] | awa64_: | I'm getting the DVD ISO. |
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| [02:03:31] | awa64_: | heya, kormoc. |
| [02:03:38] | kormoc: | hi |
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| [02:23:03] | achew22: | is there a list somewhere of all the dependancies nuvexport has? |
| [02:23:46] | bRuZdEGO: | nuvexport man page? |
| [02:23:57] | achew22: | is it on there? thanks |
| [02:24:02] | bRuZdEGO: | I have no idea |
| [02:24:05] | bRuZdEGO: | but that's where I would start |
| [02:24:28] | achew22: | I'm getting crazy dependancy errors... I'll look. Thanks for the tip |
| [02:24:59] | achew22: | hrm... no man page.... |
| [02:25:19] | bRuZdEGO: | has to have some documentation somehwere |
| [02:25:31] | achew22: | yeah... I'll just look on the svn site if it has a man page |
| [02:26:02] | bRuZdEGO: | https://svn.forevermore.net/nuvexport/ |
| [02:26:33] | bRuZdEGO: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Nuvexport |
| [02:26:44] | bRuZdEGO: | that 2nd URL has a list of dependencies. :) |
| [02:26:53] | bRuZdEGO: | for fc2 and debian. :) |
| [02:27:03] | bRuZdEGO: | w00t, I win! :) hehe |
| [02:27:26] | achew22: | yay! |
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| [02:35:35] | achew22: | Hello xris! how are you? |
| [02:35:43] | xris: | mad at onboard soundcard |
| [02:35:51] | achew22: | I'm sorry... what happened? |
| [02:36:14] | xris: | new speakers, switching from my sblive card to onboard so I can use the front panel headphone jack (new speakers don't have a plug)... |
| [02:36:43] | achew22: | why don't you get a splitter? |
| [02:36:58] | xris: | I only get left/right (called "headphone" for some reason), no center/rear, either. |
| [02:37:04] | marmoset: | achew22: the benefit of the front headphone jack is it turns off the other output when you plug in headphones |
| [02:37:05] | marmoset: | at least fo rme |
| [02:37:14] | xris: | splitter would require me reaching around the back of the computer to plug in the headphones every time I want to use them |
| [02:37:21] | xris: | marmoset: actually this one doesn't |
| [02:37:28] | marmoset: | xris: ah, too bad |
| [02:37:28] | marmoset: | :) |
| [02:37:30] | xris: | yeah |
| [02:37:32] | achew22: | marmoset: his solution doesn't turn off the speakers |
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| [02:38:32] | xris: | achew22: anyway, right now I'm more concerned about why alsa is detecting it as a pair of headphones instead of 5.1 speakers |
| [02:38:59] | kormoc: | I didn't know alsa detected anything |
| [02:39:12] | Aid`: | Hey — i just bought a Video card so i could hook up my pc to my TV. the Card has S-Video out. The cord is plugged into my video card and my tv but nothing is showing up on my tv. Any ideas? |
| [02:39:20] | Cardoe: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148134 |
| [02:39:21] | Cardoe: | omg |
| [02:39:22] | Cardoe: | I want it |
| [02:39:29] | xris: | Aid`: probably need to enable it in your xorg config |
| [02:39:36] | Aid`: | argh |
| [02:39:37] | Aid`: | :p |
| [02:39:44] | marmoset: | Aid`: did you have the svideo plugged in and the TV on when you booted? |
| [02:39:58] | Aid`: | no, but that shouldn't matter |
| [02:40:04] | marmoset: | Aid`: it does sometimes |
| [02:40:10] | achew22: | it will tell you if the cards working |
| [02:40:17] | marmoset: | and that too |
| [02:40:24] | Aid`: | ok |
| [02:40:25] | Aid`: | brb |
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| [02:41:13] | achew22: | um... in cpan how do you force it to install? |
| [02:41:37] | marmoset: | as far as I'm concered cpan shell = the great satan |
| [02:41:52] | achew22: | I'm not happy with cpan right now |
| [02:41:56] | marmoset: | "oh, you want a new DBI? well, let's install a new perl!" |
| [02:42:20] | marmoset: | I generally just do the perl Makefile.pl && make && make install |
| [02:42:48] | marmoset: | (but only if it's not available pre-packaged from the distro) |
| [02:42:59] | achew22: | i.e. gentoo? |
| [02:43:11] | marmoset: | debian, but sure |
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| [02:43:36] | achew22: | I had to force the installation fo my DBI.... thats stupid |
| [02:43:49] | Aid1: | yup it works |
| [02:44:22] | Aid1: | it looked pretty small on my tv compared to my monitor |
| [02:44:34] | achew22: | Aid1: why are you Aid1 now when you were Aid`? |
| [02:44:46] | Aid1: | its the retarded gaim |
| [02:44:46] | Aid1: | brb |
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| [02:45:15] | achew22: | didn't mean to make him leave.... |
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| [02:45:39] | Aid1: | forget it |
| [02:45:41] | Aid1: | :/ |
| [02:46:10] | achew22: | Aid1: i think the solution to your tiny on the tv problem is to buy a 64' (yes foot) plasma tv |
| [02:46:25] | Aid1: | ok thx |
| [02:46:31] | Aid1: | ill do that *snicker* |
| [02:46:40] | achew22: | that would be so cool.... *drool* |
| [02:46:49] | achew22: | you should decrease your resolution if things are tiny |
| [02:46:53] | kormoc: | with pixels the size of your head! |
| [02:46:59] | achew22: | I run 800x600 |
| [02:47:11] | achew22: | kormoc: don't you think that would be awesome? |
| [02:47:35] | Aid1: | yeah atm im on 1280x1024 |
| [02:47:53] | Aid1: | well ill go cry now |
| [02:48:03] | finley: | gardengnome: thx. will do. |
| [02:48:07] | kormoc: | heh |
| [02:48:17] | kormoc: | achew22, sure, but I'd perfer the house that would fit it |
| [02:48:43] | Aid1: | lol |
| [02:48:51] | achew22: | I'm pretty sure you house could fit in a 64' tv |
| [02:49:15] | Aid1: | ok then |
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| [02:51:52] | Aid1: | nope that didn't work |
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| [03:16:16] | psymin: | Anyone using a Pinnacle 110i PCTV that could inform me as to something obvious that I'm missing ? =] |
| [03:16:32] | achew22: | psymin: did you check to make sure the card is supported by v4l? |
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| [03:17:15] | psymin: | achew22: uses saa7134 as card=77 |
| [03:17:29] | psymin: | v4l2 |
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| [03:17:56] | achew22: | psymin: I don't have any cards so I'm not up on what that means. but the v4l site has a huge list of supported cards thats where I would look |
| [03:18:59] | psymin: | Yah, its supported. |
| [03:19:32] | achew22: | what distro? |
| [03:20:24] | psymin: | gentoo |
| [03:20:28] | psymin: | amd64 |
| [03:20:39] | achew22: | are you a linux guy at heart? |
| [03:20:57] | achew22: | or is this your weekend project? |
| [03:21:04] | psymin: | moreso than any other os |
| [03:21:28] | achew22: | well right there you know more than me... I would say check out the gentoo-wiki because they have good tutorials on almost everything |
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| [03:21:46] | psymin: | Yah, was hoping there would be someone with hands on experience here =] |
| [03:22:27] | Aid`: | can someone help me? i need to get svideo display to work on only 1 specific user |
| [03:22:42] | achew22: | apparently I'm the only one here so I'll take a shot at it |
| [03:22:43] | Aid`: | and specify the screen (i can run tv and then do stuff on computer too) |
| [03:23:08] | achew22: | psymin: most people have dvb/pvr cards I wouldn't hold my breath for someone with a lot of v4l support |
| [03:23:28] | achew22: | Aid` how did you make your x.conf file? |
| [03:23:41] | achew22: | your debian right? i htink I heard that earlier |
| [03:23:42] | psymin: | doh |
| [03:23:48] | achew22: | psymin: is it detected? |
| [03:23:54] | achew22: | rather — is v4l in your modprobe? |
| [03:24:01] | achew22: | er |
| [03:24:02] | achew22: | lsmod |
| [03:24:18] | psymin: | Yes .. just having what I believe is a driver issue .. or something =] |
| [03:24:30] | achew22: | did you emerge v4l? |
| [03:24:42] | achew22: | or did you compile it youreslf? |
| [03:24:44] | achew22: | yourself* |
| [03:25:12] | achew22: | now to format my hard drive.... |
| [03:25:53] | psymin: | I chose the kernel options .. and the driver is loaded as a module .. |
| [03:26:33] | Aid`: | yeag i am achew22 |
| [03:26:38] | psymin: | no biggie .. I'll figure it out. |
| [03:26:51] | achew22: | psymin: sorry I can't help but stick around maybe someone will come in who can help |
| [03:26:59] | achew22: | also you seem like a smart guy so maybe you can help me with Aid` |
| [03:28:01] | achew22: | Aid`: did you make it yourself or did you dpkg do it? |
| [03:28:28] | Aid`: | 1sec brb |
| [03:28:28] | psymin: | Aid`, You are trying to display on an svideo device like a television? |
| [03:28:34] | Aid`: | dpkg did |
| [03:28:35] | Aid`: | yes |
| [03:28:36] | Aid`: | brb |
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| [03:28:54] | Dagmar: | I forsee dismal failure |
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| [03:29:09] | achew22: | Dagmar: in what matter? |
| [03:29:14] | Aid`: | ok |
| [03:29:33] | Aid`: | im lost |
| [03:29:39] | achew22: | nevermind |
| [03:30:05] | Dagmar: | You see now |
| [03:30:24] | achew22: | indeed I do but I'll try anways... I agree with your prediction. Lets see how spectacular it is |
| [03:30:50] | achew22: | Aid` will you open your xorg config file |
| [03:30:57] | Aid`: | yes done |
| [03:31:07] | achew22: | how is it setup to deal with the 2nd monitor? |
| [03:31:10] | achew22: | is it twin? |
| [03:31:34] | Aid`: | second monitor? there isn't any |
| [03:32:56] | achew22: | the svideo out is considered a 2nd monitor |
| [03:33:21] | Aid`: | okay |
| [03:33:37] | Aid`: | i dont see a second |
| [03:34:25] | achew22: | Dagmar: how is he getting anything if its not configured? |
| [03:34:37] | Dagmar: | achew22: I already said my bit on this |
| [03:34:40] | Dagmar: | I'm just trying not to laugh |
| [03:34:51] | achew22: | lol good point |
| [03:35:06] | Dagmar: | I watched this exact same form of lunacy transpire last night |
| [03:35:25] | Dagmar: | Inability to answer simple questions, inability to follow simple instructions. |
| [03:36:01] | Aid`: | i answered every question. if you can't handle it fucking leave |
| [03:36:13] | Dagmar: | Watch your mouth. |
| [03:36:19] | achew22: | um... Aid` thats not nice |
| [03:36:51] | achew22: | Aid`: do you know who I am? or what power I have? |
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| [03:37:08] | Aid`: | No but he doesn't have to make fun of me right in front of my face |
| [03:37:10] | achew22: | absolutly none — but since you don't know its not a good idea to swear at me. |
| [03:37:26] | Aid`: | i was talking to Dagmar |
| [03:37:36] | achew22: | the same situation applys to Dagmar |
| [03:38:17] | Aid`: | okay, im sorry, but if your going to make fun of me atleast pm each other about it |
| [03:38:27] | Dagmar: | Aid`: If you don't like it, stop acting like you're stoned and worry more about answering questions and following instructions. |
| [03:38:53] | Aid`: | I've answered every question, thank you very much |
| [03:45:17] | Dagmar: | achew22: BTW, about CPAN... force COMMAND unconditionally do command |
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| [03:45:36] | Dagmar: | The times when you should force CPAN to do something are very, very few tho |
| [03:47:05] | achew22: | i know — I got it a while back but i forgot to tell the channel |
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| [03:47:55] | Dagmar: | OKay. Onto the next thing then. |
| [03:48:10] | Dagmar: | Aid1: What make/model video card did you get? |
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| [03:48:24] | Dagmar: | I'm kinda shocked no one bothered to ask this. |
| [03:50:41] | Aid`: | GeForce MX 4000 |
| [03:52:45] | awa64: | now installing Fedora. I guess. |
| [03:53:36] | Cardoe: | hrm |
| [03:53:43] | ** Cardoe ponders if 250GB is enough ** | |
| [03:53:50] | Dagmar: | *sigh* This is all covered in the READMEs that come with the driver, but I don't feel like finding an exact URL to point them out right now |
| [03:53:51] | Cardoe: | for a new MythTV box |
| [03:53:53] | kormoc: | heh |
| [03:53:55] | kormoc: | mine is a 200 |
| [03:53:56] | Aid`: | i guess no one likes me anymore and now i will pull lots of hair out |
| [03:53:58] | Dagmar: | Aid`: You need the following in your xorg.conf |
| [03:54:05] | Cardoe: | kormoc: I'd give 20GB to the OS |
| [03:54:06] | Dagmar: | Option "ConnectedMonitor" "CRT" |
| [03:54:07] | awa64: | Wow. That almost seems excessive. |
| [03:54:13] | kormoc: | Cardoe, why? |
| [03:54:16] | Dagmar: | and Option "TVOutFormat" "S-VIDEO" |
| [03:54:19] | Cardoe: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . mp;maxPrice= |
| [03:54:24] | Cardoe: | kormoc: why not? |
| [03:54:33] | Aid`: | in which section, Dagmar |
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| [03:55:05] | kormoc: | Cardoe, seems a bit excessive, due to my oses never get over say 5 gb |
| [03:55:29] | Cardoe: | kormoc: what are your partitions? |
| [03:56:01] | Dagmar: | Aid`: Just look at http://blairhouse.homeip.net/~dagmar/xorg.conf |
| [03:56:15] | flash|afk is now known as flashram | |
| [03:56:16] | kormoc: | /dev/hda1 10 gb, 4.5 gb used, /dev/hda2 lvm 175gb, 133 gb used |
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| [03:59:12] | Cardoe: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16827106019 |
| [03:59:16] | Cardoe: | ordering that as my DVD drive |
| [03:59:25] | Cardoe: | it's $5 more then a non-LightScribe drive |
| [03:59:27] | Cardoe: | by NEC |
| [03:59:33] | Cardoe: | but I like LiteOn better |
| [03:59:40] | Cardoe: | and I figure at some point LightScribe will work for Linux |
| [03:59:53] | Dagmar: | At what point will be become cost effective? |
| [04:00:26] | kormoc: | never? it's just an extra feature that provides no real improvement in raw numbers? |
| [04:00:36] | Dagmar: | ...because if you burn 100 DVDs, you can pretty much go non-LightScribe and get a color inkjet printer |
| [04:00:53] | Aid`: | so is there anyway to have two 'devices' so i can select either to have it on the monitor (default) or the tv |
| [04:00:54] | Aid`: | ? |
| [04:00:55] | Dagmar: | ...and I'm not talking about a cheapo printer, either. |
| [04:01:03] | Cardoe: | http://www.collegehumor.com/movies/1685099/ <-best TV preacher EVER!!! |
| [04:01:09] | kormoc: | ooh, dvds themselves |
| [04:01:19] | kormoc: | that I donno |
| [04:01:35] | kormoc: | Aid`, yes, it's all covered in the nvidia readme |
| [04:01:37] | Dagmar: | LightScibe DVDs are unfortunately not cheap |
| [04:01:53] | Dagmar: | Practically double the usual cost for blanks, actually |
| [04:02:14] | Cardoe: | Dagmar: right now... |
| [04:02:49] | Dagmar: | I'll stick with my labelstomper, and it's glorious full color |
| [04:03:55] | Dagmar: | Especially considering the cheap, nearly sprayed-on nature of a lot of blank media |
| [04:03:56] | Aid`: | kormoc: the manual i got doesn't mention linux |
| [04:04:31] | Dagmar: | Aid`: He's not talking about a manual. He's talking about a file named README that comes with the nVidia driver |
| [04:05:57] | Dagmar: | Aid`: You need to read http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/ . . . E/index.html |
| [04:06:09] | Dagmar: | ...specifically http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/ . . . endix-h.html |
| [04:06:24] | awa64: | Okay. I'm installing Fedora for my Myth box now. |
| [04:06:44] | awa64: | Question--KDE vs GNOME. Any differences as far as myth goes? General thoughts on which one's better? |
| [04:07:04] | awa64: | Or at least advantages/disadvantages? |
| [04:08:17] | Dagmar: | Doesn't matter. |
| [04:08:22] | kormoc: | Aid`, I said readme, it's with the nvidia linux driver |
| [04:08:26] | Dagmar: | MythBrowser uses Konqueror so it's KDE you |
| [04:08:29] | Dagmar: | er you'll be using |
| [04:08:42] | Cardoe: | awa64: don't install either |
| [04:08:53] | kormoc: | awa64, I use lwm myself, very small and fast |
| [04:09:04] | Cardoe: | kormoc: lwm? |
| [04:09:08] | kormoc: | Aid`, http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/ . . . E/index.html |
| [04:09:24] | kormoc: | Cardoe, lightweight window manager, clocks in at 45 kb :) |
| [04:09:36] | Cardoe: | kormoc: evilwm... clocks in at 13kb |
| [04:09:36] | kormoc: | Cardoe, http://www.jfc.org.uk/software/lwm.html |
| [04:09:39] | ** xris grumbles about linux soundcard support ** | |
| [04:09:51] | SlicerDicer: | what card xris |
| [04:10:00] | xris: | SlicerDicer: either the onboard intel or my soundblaster live |
| [04:10:12] | Dagmar: | The SBLive should work fine |
| [04:10:13] | SlicerDicer: | soundblaster? |
| [04:10:18] | xris: | Dagmar: you would think |
| [04:10:19] | SlicerDicer: | indeed Dagmar |
| [04:10:29] | kormoc: | Cardoe, how much ram usage? |
| [04:10:31] | xris: | I can't seem to turn off the digital out so that I can use the center speaker |
| [04:10:37] | Dagmar: | I've never had a problem with any of them, aside from those Dell blasphemies |
| [04:10:52] | achew22: | is there a limit on the number of primary partitions you can have? |
| [04:10:53] | xris: | chipset is: Cirrus Logic CS4297A rev 4 |
| [04:10:56] | kormoc: | achew22, 4 |
| [04:11:00] | SlicerDicer: | xris: alsamixer ten press F5? |
| [04:11:12] | achew22: | kormoc: whats the difference between extended and primary? |
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| [04:11:19] | Dagmar: | xris: Ohh... Somewhere rather recently port-routing seems to have broken into a few hundred pieces for ALSA |
| [04:11:22] | SlicerDicer: | xris: then the input should show up? |
| [04:11:25] | kormoc: | achew22, extended allows more then 4 partitions per drive |
| [04:11:36] | xris: | SlicerDicer: it's all there. just doesn't work |
| [04:11:39] | Dagmar: | I've got two AC97 onboard sound chipsets that no longer function properly with the in-kernel alsa as well |
| [04:11:44] | xris: | all I get out of yellow plug (digital or center) is static |
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| [04:11:55] | Cardoe: | kormoc: using what as a gauge? |
| [04:11:57] | xris: | Dagmar: you have any workarounds? |
| [04:12:00] | Dagmar: | It's really obvious that they're having their plugs routed wrong somehow. Only left channel on one, only right channel on the other |
| [04:12:14] | Dagmar: | xris: My "workaround" is that I own like four SBLIve! Value cards. |
| [04:12:23] | kormoc: | Cardoe, pmap? |
| [04:12:31] | Dagmar: | I just disabled the onboard and shoved in the SBLive cards until I get it sorted out |
| [04:12:37] | Cardoe: | kormoc: gotta boot the box |
| [04:13:09] | Dagmar: | Sorry I don't have anything more expansive than that to suggest |
| [04:16:31] | achew22: | in lvcreate is there a way to make it take the rest of the volume group? |
| [04:16:42] | awa64: | well'p, it's copying files. Wish me luck. |
| [04:16:53] | ** achew22 wishes luck uppon awa64 ** | |
| [04:17:07] | xris: | Dagmar: I think my workaround will be to give the 5.1 speaker set to my wife and take her 2.1 set |
| [04:17:36] | achew22: | xris: tricky... shooting yourself in the foot to spite your computer.... I like the way you think |
| [04:17:44] | kormoc: | not at all |
| [04:17:58] | kormoc: | he gets points with his wife and a working speaker set, seems win-win to me |
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| [04:18:12] | achew22: | isn't htis all brought up by the fact that the 5.1 doesn't have a headphone jack? |
| [04:18:13] | xris: | kormoc: except that she uses the windows box all of an hour or two a week now |
| [04:18:23] | xris: | achew22: it's gone beyond that now |
| [04:18:23] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [04:18:29] | kormoc: | true enough |
| [04:18:39] | kormoc: | you just need to get her back into oblivion |
| [04:18:39] | achew22: | xirs: I appologise for your pain ;) |
| [04:18:54] | xris: | headphone jack works fine with onboard stuff... onboard stuff doesn't seem to have 5.1. sblive card *should* work with 5.1, but for some reason just doesn't |
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| [04:20:52] | achew22: | is there a way to tell lvcreate to use the rest of the volume group? |
| [04:21:21] | kormoc: | sure, toss it a high number, when it says, the most you can use is X, use X |
| [04:21:28] | achew22: | good idea... |
| [04:21:51] | achew22: | kormoc, the number it returns is in mb right? |
| [04:21:58] | kormoc: | uhh |
| [04:22:02] | kormoc: | it should say |
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| [04:22:26] | achew22: | doesn't give units... I'll just lower the unit each time till it works |
| [04:23:28] | Cardoe: | maybe get dual 250gbs |
| [04:23:38] | Cardoe: | and setup 20gb on both in RAID mirroring via DM |
| [04:23:47] | Cardoe: | and then the rest via LVM together for Mythtv |
| [04:24:00] | kormoc: | that would be cool |
| [04:24:06] | achew22: | Cardoe: that would leave 230x2 for myth right? |
| [04:24:35] | Cardoe: | yes |
| [04:25:00] | achew22: | sounds good |
| [04:27:32] | achew22: | why doesn't my kernel have smbfs support! thats silly... |
| [04:27:42] | xris: | ok, I see the cirrus chip (my sblive) *as well as* the sblive card... and it only has speaker and pcm, no surround. so weird |
| [04:29:32] | xris: | well, the easy fix is to use the cable joiner and just use stereo with 5 speakers. heh |
| [04:31:08] | Cardoe: | So I can part out my laptop for more money then selling the whole laptop. |
| [04:31:09] | Cardoe: | heck |
| [04:31:12] | Cardoe: | my old laptop |
| [04:31:20] | Cardoe: | I might buy some more laptops on ebay |
| [04:31:21] | Cardoe: | and part them out |
| [04:31:27] | xris: | kormoc: so the sblive in my box at work has a *third* chipset: TriTech TR28602 |
| [04:32:21] | kormoc: | strange |
| [04:32:25] | ** xris ponders swapping cards with the one at work ** | |
| [04:32:39] | kormoc: | Well, I have one unused here at home I can loan you |
| [04:32:47] | Dagmar: | Is that a Dell machine perhaps? |
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| [04:32:57] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [04:33:00] | xris: | Dagmar: these cards come from all over the place. |
| [04:33:03] | xris: | probably not, though |
| [04:33:17] | kormoc: | Dagmar, we work for a company that builds computers, why would work computers be from dell? :P |
| [04:33:51] | xris: | kormoc: actually, these cards are from the bonepile, and there have been a few dells in there. |
| [04:34:19] | kormoc: | ooh, fair nuff |
| [04:34:33] | xris: | but unlikely |
| [04:35:37] | xris: | well, onboard stuff works as good as the sblive card, might as well stick with it. |
| [04:35:42] | mchou: | stupid mobo companies, wtf using winflash |
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| [04:36:42] | Dagmar: | Well, Dell, in their usual pinch-penny way, had Creative make a version of the SBlive card just for them that didn't have the full emu10k1 chip on it |
| [04:37:04] | Dagmar: | I'm guessing that might explain the odd mixer chip on those two |
| [04:37:05] | mchou: | Dagmar: what else is new? :) |
| [04:37:41] | mchou: | read an article about slave labor used to make ipods |
| [04:37:54] | xris: | brb |
| [04:38:04] | mchou: | month wage is ~$50 |
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| [04:38:10] | mchou: | to make ipods |
| [04:38:37] | mchou: | same deal with foxconn mobos |
| [04:39:17] | mchou: | apple and foxconn must be making a killing |
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| [04:42:01] | mchou: | awa64: so what happened? knoppmyth didn't work? |
| [04:42:11] | awa64: | YES! Fedora booted. |
| [04:42:21] | awa64: | Yeah, Knoppmyth couldn't figure out how to write a bootloader, I think. |
| [04:42:26] | mchou: | awa64: lol |
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| [04:42:27] | achew22: | awa64: do you have champaign? |
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| [04:43:15] | mchou: | awa64: apparently cfdisk didnt work eithe on knoppmyth :) |
| [04:43:22] | mchou: | either* |
| [04:43:58] | xris: | sooo weird... onboard sound doesn't work properly if I remove the sblive card. |
| [04:44:25] | mchou: | xris: heh |
| [04:44:55] | mchou: | xris: so you need a sound card to make the on bard sound work? :) |
| [04:45:05] | mchou: | s/bard/board |
| [04:45:08] | xris: | it works, it just loses its name/etc |
| [04:45:27] | Dagmar: | Maybe repopulating /etc/asound.names would help that |
| [04:45:43] | xris: | no file with that name |
| [04:46:11] | Dagmar: | RUn `alsactl names` and it'll populate it |
| [04:46:21] | Dagmar: | I'm still not sure how *useful* that file is |
| [04:46:47] | Dagmar: | I know alsa tends to fuss about it when the entries get even marginally out of sync with the drivers |
| [04:46:55] | awa64: | So, now to install Myth on Fedora. |
| [04:47:53] | xris: | Dagmar: didn't do anything.. I'm actually messing with system-config-soundcard in fedora |
| [04:48:54] | awa64: | I've heard there's instructions for doing that. Anyone care to link me up? |
| [04:49:12] | laney__: | search google |
| [04:50:00] | Aid`: | okay now i have it showing up on my TV but it only does if my computer selects that screen is there anyway for it to run in the back ground? |
| [04:50:17] | ** xris ponders a complete reinstall because suddenly gdm is freaking out, too ** | |
| [04:50:51] | laney__: | xris: what distro? |
| [04:50:57] | xris: | fc5 |
| [04:51:43] | laney__: | u could just reinstall gdm |
| [04:52:26] | laney__: | did you set it up to auto-login? |
| [04:52:47] | Dagmar: | Aid`: Run *what* in the background? |
| [04:53:29] | xris: | laney__: it doesn't stick |
| [04:53:34] | xris: | and yes, reinstalled several times |
| [04:53:44] | Aid`: | an x session in the back ground but still make the Svideo know to 'broadcast' |
| [04:54:18] | Dagmar: | That's still not making any sense |
| [04:54:33] | laney__: | xris: you can manually edit /etc/gdm/custom.conf |
| [04:54:39] | xris: | laney__: I did |
| [04:54:41] | Dagmar: | The s-video output doesn't broadcast anything. |
| [04:54:44] | Dagmar: | It's just a display output |
| [04:54:49] | xris: | brb, testing AGAIN... |
| [04:54:53] | kormoc: | Aid`, huh? |
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| [04:55:00] | Dagmar: | You can use a maximum of *two* outputs with the nVidia cards. |
| [04:55:17] | Dagmar: | If you have DVI and VGA and S-video outputs on the card, you can still only use two of them at any given time. |
| [04:55:55] | Aid`: | indeed |
| [04:56:23] | Aid`: | i want to have a screen with all my messenger stuff up on my monitor, and mythtv on my tv at the same time |
| [04:56:31] | kormoc: | yeah, that's doable |
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| [04:56:40] | kormoc: | so what's your issue? |
| [04:56:57] | laney__: | Aid`: what distro? |
| [04:57:02] | Aid`: | debian |
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| [04:58:16] | Dagmar: | So you need to tell X about the fact that you want to use two displays. |
| [04:58:24] | Dagmar: | ...which means defining two displays in the xorg.conf. |
| [04:58:31] | Dagmar: | I strongly recommend Google. |
| [04:58:38] | xris: | and suddenly my soundcard no longer works. woot |
| [04:59:25] | Dagmar: | Google can find you things like http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Dual_Monitors |
| [04:59:43] | xris: | oh, volume. |
| [04:59:45] | Aid`: | indeed it can but i always search with horrible keywords |
| [05:00:01] | Dagmar: | Well you're going to have to learn to pick better words to search with then. |
| [05:00:13] | Dagmar: | No one likes people too lazy to even TRY to research their own answers. |
| [05:00:23] | laney__: | or maybe you should search "how to pick better search terms" |
| [05:01:26] | laney__: | heh, bad example |
| [05:01:29] | Dagmar: | xris: That right there is the reason I finally jiggered my rc.alsa to just set everything important to 77% unmuted |
| [05:01:37] | xris: | laney__: it logs me in, but prompts me for a password |
| [05:01:56] | xris: | Dagmar: well, new speaker set, they were turned off... |
| [05:02:16] | Dagmar: | xris: You're doing better than I was then. I can't get the latest gdm to auto-login anything. They did something very weird with it's confdig |
| [05:02:28] | xris: | Dagmar: in fc5? |
| [05:02:29] | Dagmar: | xris: Speakers were off? Heh |
| [05:02:43] | laney__: | how can it log you in and ask for a password? |
| [05:02:45] | xris: | Dagmar: well, it's an old harmon kardon 2.1 set.. no visual diff between off and on |
| [05:02:47] | Dagmar: | xris: No, I don't use RH. |
| [05:02:48] | laney__: | it either does one or the other |
| [05:02:55] | awa64: | damn, I wish Knoppmyth had worked. |
| [05:03:02] | awa64: | Because I have no idea what the hell I'm doing. |
| [05:03:05] | xris: | laney__: black screen, with a prompt that says "auto login for xris password:" |
| [05:03:12] | achew22: | awa64: are you using a tutorial? |
| [05:03:14] | Dagmar: | awa64: Have you set up any other distro before? |
| [05:03:32] | awa64: | achew: yes, but I'm not all that sure I know how to follow it that well. |
| [05:03:35] | awa64: | Dagmar: nope. |
| [05:03:45] | Dagmar: | xris: That sounds just plain _broken_ |
| [05:03:51] | xris: | Dagmar: f'd up, anyway. |
| [05:03:54] | laney__: | xris open up a privmsg window with me |
| [05:04:16] | laney__: | and type /exec -o grep -v '#' /etc/gdm/custom.conf |
| [05:04:20] | achew22: | awa64: were here to help you if you get in trouble |
| [05:04:30] | Dagmar: | awa64: Well, there's a pretty reasonable howto for getting just about any distro (except Slackware) running MythTV |
| [05:04:39] | Dagmar: | ...and if you're running Slackware I can just walk you through most of it |
| [05:04:55] | achew22: | there isn't a slackware howto? why not? |
| [05:05:03] | Cardoe: | why do you use gdm for autologin? |
| [05:05:07] | Cardoe: | I use agetty |
| [05:05:07] | Dagmar: | Because Slackware users can generally figure things out on their own |
| [05:05:14] | achew22: | Dagmar: good call |
| [05:05:24] | awa64: | I'm trying Fedora. I'm on the how-to list, but... a) I have no idea how to figure out how to install my card, or if it's installed at all, and b) I'm trying to run mythtvsetup, and it says "command not found" |
| [05:05:39] | achew22: | awa64 you need to install myth |
| [05:05:43] | achew22: | and install ivtv |
| [05:05:44] | Dagmar: | I'm missing the perl stuff needed for xmltv, xmltv itself (for the same reason) and I think that's about it as far as packaging for Slackware goes |
| [05:05:46] | kormoc: | awa64, are you following jarod's guide? |
| [05:06:01] | awa64: | I'm using http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php#sw |
| [05:06:05] | kormoc: | achew22, how do you know he has a ivtv card? |
| [05:06:06] | awa64: | A better guide couldn't hurt. |
| [05:06:10] | Dagmar: | awa64: It helps to type the right command, too. It's mythtv-setup |
| [05:06:15] | kormoc: | awa64, nah, that's *the* fedora guide |
| [05:06:29] | achew22: | kormoc: I'm thinking back to last night — I'm pretty sure he said he had a 150 |
| [05:06:36] | Dagmar: | awa64: Well, it boils down to about five steps, the first of which is getting the drivers for your tuner card sorted out |
| [05:06:38] | awa64: | mythtv-setup returns command not found as well. |
| [05:06:39] | xris: | laney__: ? |
| [05:06:50] | awa64: | and my card is an ATI TV Wonder PCI. |
| [05:06:57] | Dagmar: | awa64: Then it's a fairly safe bet you don't have mythtv installed |
| [05:07:28] | kormoc: | laney__, you're assuming he's not using gaim. I don't think gaim supports that |
| [05:07:28] | achew22: | NOOOOO!!! WINAMP I WILL AVENGE YOUR DEATH! (it froze) |
| [05:07:29] | awa64: | ran the command "yum install mythtv-suite" |
| [05:07:35] | awa64: | that installs it, right? |
| [05:07:35] | kormoc: | achew22, amarok |
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| [05:07:59] | achew22: | kormoc: do you have one of those for windows? |
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| [05:08:09] | kormoc: | ooh, winamp |
| [05:08:10] | kormoc: | nm |
| [05:08:13] | Dagmar: | awa64: So it's a BTTV card, meaning the kernel drivers should be able to handle it. Mind you that you might be better off with TVTime with that one, since it doesn't have any hardware accellertion for encoding the recorded video |
| [05:08:34] | awa64: | tvtime? |
| [05:08:35] | achew22: | kormoc: also I prefer xmms because its similar to winamp which is what I'm used to |
| [05:08:53] | Dagmar: | ama64: TVTime is just a TV watching app. It doesn't record. It is, however, exceptionally pimped out |
| [05:09:05] | awa64: | I kinda want the record functionality. |
| [05:09:06] | achew22: | whats the benifit of jfs vs ext(3|2)? |
| [05:09:08] | laney__: | xris: not sure, my conf is similar except in [greeter] i have 'Include=myusername' not sure that would make a difference |
| [05:09:12] | awa64: | Otherwise, what's the point, really? |
| [05:09:18] | Dagmar: | achew22: It takes a LOT less time to delete large files with jfs |
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| [05:09:30] | achew22: | thats it? |
| [05:09:47] | Dagmar: | achew22: It generally handles large files better than ext3. |
| [05:09:56] | achew22: | it takes something like 10 secconds to delete a huge file on my ext3.. thats not too bad in my oppinion |
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| [05:10:14] | Dagmar: | achew22: You'll find jfs taking like 2 or less |
| [05:10:22] | xris: | laney__: I told you, something's just f'd up. |
| [05:10:24] | awa64: | Also, I'm seriously considering buying a Hauppage card if I can get things set up. |
| [05:10:29] | ** xris goes to reinstall.. back in 30–45 minutes ** | |
| [05:10:36] | kormoc: | achew22, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems |
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| [05:10:49] | achew22: | thanks kormoc |
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| [05:11:00] | awa64: | As it stands... it almost seems like I ought to install XPMCE, with how much trouble I've been having with getting Myth installed. |
| [05:11:09] | Dagmar: | awa64: It's a lot easier to deal with the hardware accellerated Hauppage cards for sure. They barely bother the CPU |
| [05:11:35] | Dagmar: | awa64: I've not noticed you saying you've *done* anything other than run one emerge command |
| [05:11:37] | laney__: | awa64: what specifically are you having trouble with? |
| [05:11:51] | awa64: | for one, knowing what to do, really. |
| [05:11:58] | laney__: | follow the guide |
| [05:12:03] | awa64: | okay. |
| [05:12:10] | Dagmar: | awa64: What about http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInstall is confusing you? |
| [05:12:38] | awa64: | was using http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php#sw |
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| [05:13:12] | laney__: | i used that guide last week |
| [05:13:13] | Dagmar: | awa64: That document seems pretty thorough to me. |
| [05:13:28] | awa64: | the one I was using before? |
| [05:13:41] | Dagmar: | http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php#sw <-- this one |
| [05:13:52] | Dagmar: | You need to cite a specific problem before people can help you |
| [05:14:14] | laney__: | i install my first mythbox using that guide last week |
| [05:14:16] | awa64: | OK. |
| [05:14:19] | laney__: | hehe |
| [05:17:55] | awa64: | Specific problem: Skipping the parts that are working because my configuration is sufficiently generic enough for Fedora to have drivers for the stuff out-of-the-box, I'm up to the step where I'm supposed to start and configure the mysql database, and I'm entering what it's saying to enter, and it doesn't seem like it's doing anything. |
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| [05:18:30] | Dagmar: | awa64: What would that be? |
| [05:18:47] | Dagmar: | Don't expect us to pull up the guide and look it up. Just tell us what command you're running |
| [05:19:40] | awa64: | um... hell if I know. it says "# /sbin/chkconfig mysqld on", "# /sbin/service mysqld start", "# mysql -u root mysql". |
| [05:19:47] | Dagmar: | Argh. That dumbass has the mysqld running as root |
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| [05:19:55] | awa64: | Typed all those in, it didn't give me any errors... but it didn't do anything else either. |
| [05:20:03] | Dagmar: | awa64: Don't copy the '#' for one thing |
| [05:20:09] | awa64: | ok |
| [05:20:39] | awa64: | "error reading information on service mysqld: no such file or directory"--that would mean that I don't have mysql installed, wouldn't it. |
| [05:20:41] | Dagmar: | The '#' you've been copying (and that the guy was too dim to remind people not to type) makes the command into a comment |
| [05:20:51] | Dagmar: | awa64: Probably so |
| [05:20:53] | ** awa64 probably should've known that. ** | |
| [05:21:12] | achew22: | wow the gmailfs guy is a genious |
| [05:21:13] | laney__: | i don't think it does. |
| [05:21:42] | Dagmar: | achew22: Now if they'll just get him on google calendar... |
| [05:21:44] | laney__: | well, at least i get a different response if a service doesn't exist |
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| [05:25:31] | achew22: | Dagmar do you know if gmailfs and the windows version would be able to work together? |
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| [05:29:44] | Dagmar: | In general, I don't assist/promote/endorse the misuse of a service like that |
| [05:30:03] | achew22: | Dagmar: the terms of use and service don't prohibit it... |
| [05:30:09] | Dagmar: | I mean geez you can buy 2Gb worth of USB storage for $50 |
| [05:30:17] | Dagmar: | ...and the latency would be far less. |
| [05:30:21] | awa64: | IIRC, Google actually applauded the guy's ingenuity. |
| [05:30:21] | kormoc: | achew22, actually they do |
| [05:30:39] | achew22: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GmailFS |
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| [05:30:53] | achew22: | apparently not — unless teh wikipedia article is wrong |
| [05:31:10] | achew22: | "Note that Gmail's terms of use impose no restrictions that would make use of GmailFS a direct violation of the Service agreement. " |
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| [05:31:25] | kormoc: | "Furthermore, the "Program Policies" prohibit the user to "Reformat or frame any portion of the web pages that are part of the Gmail Service" which is arguably violated by use of GmailFS, which, after all, "reformats" documents transferred via HTTP ("web pages") into data accessible via FUSE." |
| [05:31:45] | kormoc: | last line in the wikipedia link you gave |
| [05:32:01] | achew22: | damn my inability to read the the end of a page |
| [05:32:22] | Dagmar: | I just stick with being able to read licence agreements |
| [05:32:57] | achew22: | okay — will you all pose a solution for me then. My parents are divorced how should I setup a folder that I would be able to share files between so that I have my work? I'm serious about htis I would like a solution that is reasonable |
| [05:33:42] | kormoc: | doesn't yahoo have a file share service? |
| [05:34:24] | Dagmar: | Your cablemodem doesn't come with some webspace? |
| [05:34:38] | laney__: | or you could get a geocities account |
| [05:34:40] | laney__: | heh |
| [05:34:46] | Dagmar: | There's also Rapidshare |
| [05:35:00] | laney__: | yeah there are a shitload of free services |
| [05:35:27] | Dagmar: | ...and again, USB devices are exceedingly portable |
| [05:35:34] | Dagmar: | I wear a 128Mb thumbdrive around my neck |
| [05:35:42] | laney__: | uh lol |
| [05:35:58] | kormoc: | Wow, you win the geek factor |
| [05:36:29] | awa64: | I used to wear a 256 until the strap broke. |
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| [05:36:36] | achew22: | Dagmar: thats nerdy.... |
| [05:36:50] | Cardoe: | achew22: Best Buy has a 1gb USB drive for $30 |
| [05:37:02] | achew22: | this is bigger... and free-er |
| [05:37:21] | laney__: | you're talking about gmailfs? |
| [05:37:33] | Cardoe: | and sllllllllllower |
| [05:37:41] | [R]: | if i were to get a 2nd sound card, and i plug the line in from my tv card into that, would i just select the 2nd dsp for "audio device" in "Capture Card Setup"? |
| [05:37:42] | Dagmar: | So the real problem is that you're a cheap bastard |
| [05:37:44] | kormoc: | and not reliable |
| [05:37:50] | kormoc: | [R], aye |
| [05:38:02] | Dagmar: | achew22: You try saying that to me and my biker jacket and fingerless gloves sometime |
| [05:38:15] | [R]: | great, cuz its really annoying switching my input from mic to linein all the time and not being able to use skype while i'm recording |
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| [05:38:16] | Dagmar: | Guys who can crush your skull get to wear whatever they damn well please. |
| [05:38:19] | Dagmar: | :) |
| [05:38:44] | kormoc: | Dagmar, Sure, but they don't get the pleasure of not looking nerdy :P |
| [05:38:59] | Dagmar: | kormoc: People have x-ray vision now? |
| [05:39:11] | Dagmar: | Only idiots wear valuables *outside* their shirts |
| [05:39:13] | kormoc: | when you announce it, might as well |
| [05:39:31] | awa64: | hrm. Download of mysql-5.0.22–1.FC5.1.i386.rpm seems to be hanging. |
| [05:39:34] | Dagmar: | Yeah, I'm announcing it for the purpose of eliminating the "I'm a lamer I'll *lose it*" excuse |
| [05:39:56] | Dagmar: | I'm not having any problems keeping my private keys and the backups of my PDA's databases around my neck |
| [05:40:29] | kormoc: | keyring for myself |
| [05:40:32] | achew22: | Dagmer: as to your cheep comment... yes — but I'm not a bastard |
| [05:40:44] | achew22: | I'm a jerk |
| [05:40:55] | Dagmar: | That sounds accurate. |
| [05:41:04] | Dagmar: | Those not willing to pay money must be willing to do their research |
| [05:41:40] | achew22: | I found a solution... and then posed a question since you all were bugging me. I did my research |
| [05:42:11] | Dagmar: | ...and most of us question your use of gmailfs in the first place |
| [05:42:25] | Dagmar: | You wouldn't even have had the question if you'd just gotten a USB thumbdrive |
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| [05:43:15] | achew22: | Dagmar: did you loose your wallet or something? why are you so volitile tonight? |
| [05:44:48] | Dagmar: | I'm volatile becuase I don't approve of people abusing a free service? |
| [05:44:52] | Dagmar: | That's a new one on me. |
| [05:45:33] | laney__: | well |
| [05:45:45] | laney__: | you could use it without abusing the TOS |
| [05:45:49] | Dagmar: | ...or is it perhaps that I don't approve of people doing things to "save money" which waste a disproportionate amount of their time? |
| [05:46:00] | laney__: | simple mail yourself the files you want to share as attachments |
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| [05:46:49] | laney__: | there's no need to use gmailfs |
| [05:47:02] | achew22: | laney__ there is no *need* for mythtv |
| [05:47:21] | achew22: | its nice, but I could live without it |
| [05:47:36] | laney__: | achew22: do you really want to 'mount' ur gmail? |
| [05:47:36] | Dagmar: | That's where you're wrong. |
| [05:48:02] | Dagmar: | There is a "need" for automated recording, and automated scheduling of recording of programs |
| [05:48:07] | laney__: | achew22: what would be the point? |
| [05:48:22] | Dagmar: | You just don't like that gmail won't tolerate attachments as large as some of your pirated mp3s |
| [05:48:42] | Dagmar: | ...and more importantly, what the heck goes gmailfs for Windows have to do with MythTV? |
| [05:49:11] | achew22: | refrenced it a long time ago — and people jumped on it as a topic |
| [05:49:26] | achew22: | I didn't dictates this conversation. I just remained in |
| [05:50:09] | Cardoe: | Dagmar: cause you stripping out ads isn't "abusing" a service? |
| [05:50:10] | laney__: | i think we all told you gmailfs was a stupid idea |
| [05:50:13] | Cardoe: | Dagmar: get off your high horse. |
| [05:50:42] | Dagmar: | Cardoe: Dude, you need to go back and read carefully who is arguing what before you start telling me what horse to get off of. |
| [05:51:04] | Cardoe: | <Dagmar> I'm volatile becuase I don't approve of people abusing a free service? |
| [05:51:08] | Cardoe: | you said it.. not me |
| [05:51:14] | Cardoe: | you're the one saying... |
| [05:51:16] | Dagmar: | Cardoe: You still need to read. |
| [05:51:23] | Cardoe: | <Dagmar> achew22: You try saying that to me and my biker jacket and fingerless gloves sometime |
| [05:51:36] | Dagmar: | You have managed to *completely* misinterpret everything if you think *I'm* abusing Gmail |
| [05:51:47] | Cardoe: | Dagmar: Did I say you were abusing gmail? |
| [05:51:56] | Cardoe: | Dagmar: I referred to your usage of MythTV |
| [05:51:57] | Dagmar: | <Cardoe> Dagmar: cause you stripping out ads isn't "abusing" a service? |
| [05:52:08] | Cardoe: | ads != Gmail |
| [05:52:13] | Cardoe: | in fact they share 1 letter |
| [05:52:17] | Dagmar: | Since when is using MythTV necessarily stripping out ads? |
| [05:52:28] | Dagmar: | I haven't even bothered to *touch* the commercial flagging stuff yet |
| [05:52:45] | kormoc: | yet? that is INTENT! |
| [05:52:57] | Cardoe: | Dagmar: You just admitted that was your intent. |
| [05:52:57] | ** kormoc backs back out of the room slowly ** | |
| [05:52:57] | Dagmar: | kormoc: First, we kill all the damn lawyers |
| [05:53:06] | kormoc: | heh |
| [05:53:11] | Dagmar: | Cardoe: I did no such thing. Crawl back under your bridge if you're going to behave like this |
| [05:53:11] | Cardoe: | and secondly |
| [05:53:18] | Cardoe: | Dagmar: You are using MythTV correct? |
| [05:53:18] | achew22: | i'm with kormoc on this — time to leave |
| [05:53:29] | Dagmar: | Cardoe: You can't prove a thing. |
| [05:53:29] | Cardoe: | Dagmar: no.. I'm kicking your ass back to your bridge. |
| [05:53:32] | Cardoe: | and I'm not done. |
| [05:53:37] | Cardoe: | Dagmar: you just admitted to using MythTV |
| [05:53:42] | Cardoe: | Guess what you're doing? |
| [05:53:47] | Cardoe: | You're committing copyright violation. |
| [05:53:51] | Cardoe: | You're copying a recording |
| [05:53:57] | Dagmar: | Cardoe: And I've been hassled by acutal lawyers, and actual law enforcement within the last two years, so don't think you've got any chance |
| [05:54:00] | Cardoe: | Which explicitly states you can't. |
| [05:54:08] | Cardoe: | Ooh look at me |
| [05:54:12] | Cardoe: | I'm big and bad |
| [05:54:17] | Dagmar: | nope. nothing about broadcast television forbids it's recording. |
| [05:54:18] | Cardoe: | I have a biker jacket |
| [05:54:19] | Cardoe: | and fingerless gloves |
| [05:54:23] | Cardoe: | I've dealt with the law |
| [05:54:25] | Dagmar: | Now ignoring Cardoe. |
| [05:54:33] | Cardoe: | Dagmar: outstanding |
| [05:54:37] | Dagmar: | Maybe someday he'll learn to read |
| [05:54:43] | Cardoe: | if you can't win your argument... ignore. |
| [05:55:06] | kormoc: | well, uhh, I'm big and bad, I killed 12 bugs! Go me! |
| [05:55:10] | Cardoe: | Dagmar: maybe someday you're bullshit will diminish to managable levels |
| [05:55:15] | Cardoe: | kormoc: ha. nice |
| [05:55:19] | Dagmar: | ..and then he'll realize when someone's explaining anecdotally how "nerdy" is the last word one would use to apply to my appearance, USb thumbdrive around my neck or not. |
| [05:55:25] | achew22: | kormoc: what kid of bugs? |
| [05:55:40] | kormoc: | achew22, uhh, spiders! |
| [05:55:50] | achew22: | those arent bugs... i like spiders |
| [05:55:52] | achew22: | boo! |
| [05:55:52] | Cardoe: | Dagmar: now you're just whining that you had no basis to stand on for your arguement. |
| [05:55:58] | kormoc: | with big pointy teeth |
| [05:56:10] | ** kormoc makes the monthy python killer rabbit face ** | |
| [05:56:19] | achew22: | kormoc: spiders kill bugs. therefore spiders rock |
| [05:56:30] | Dagmar: | Deadly sprays kill bugs, too. |
| [05:56:47] | achew22: | yes Dagmar, and small children. |
| [05:56:53] | Dagmar: | There's a problem with that? |
| [05:56:57] | achew22: | nope |
| [05:57:04] | kormoc: | achew22, spiders kill small children and sometimes full grown adults too |
| [05:57:20] | Dagmar: | There's an apartment I used to live in that *grass* won't grow 6 inches from the base of the building still |
| [05:57:21] | laney__: | Cardoe: are you arguing that it's illegal to use mythtv? |
| [05:57:28] | achew22: | ratio of spider deaths to poison injestions weighs in heavily on the poison side |
| [05:57:46] | achew22: | laney__: I think that was a devil (achew22)s advocate sort of comment |
| [05:57:56] | Dagmar: | achew22: Oh there's an easy solution to that. When you buy bug poison, you use it *all*. No matter how much you got vs the size of your apartment. |
| [05:58:09] | achew22: | lol |
| [05:58:33] | achew22: | stick my sisters dog in there too (it bit me in the face and sent me to the ER for 4 hours) |
| [05:58:33] | Cardoe: | laney__: it was a devil's advocate statement |
| [05:58:41] | Dagmar: | A gallon jug of bug spray in a efficiency apartment might mean you'll have to go pouring it around the base of your building to use it all up, but still... |
| [05:59:11] | achew22: | time to take a sleeping pill brb |
| [06:01:46] | marmoset: | be nice to spiders |
| [06:01:52] | marmoset: | that was my favorite book growing up ;) |
| [06:04:15] | Dagmar: | Mine was the Encyclopaedia Britannica |
| [06:05:34] | Dagmar: | Never a fan of books whose every plot twist and ending you could remember after two sittings, is why. |
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| [06:08:37] | thechris: | Cardoe, i was unable to get ivtv 0.6.2 (for 2.6.16) or 0.4.5 (for 2.6.15) to work yesterday. failing everything else, i recompiled my system with gcc3.4. now ivtv0.6.2 mostly works, with the exception of picking up one tuner as type 0 (which is Temic PAL). |
| [06:09:37] | thechris: | unfortunantly, the new 0.6.2 didn't affect my core PVR issue which was a lack of sound on channel 73. |
| [06:10:05] | Cardoe: | pretty much what I had said in the first place. |
| [06:10:29] | Cardoe: | since it's most likely the freqency table that's messed up |
| [06:10:35] | Cardoe: | or using the wrong one |
| [06:10:46] | Cardoe: | not a driver bug |
| [06:10:53] | thechris: | yeah |
| [06:11:21] | thechris: | in anycase, it may have been gcc4.1 related. not sure if you use gcc4.1 or not |
| [06:11:21] | Cardoe: | however... gcc4 has nothing to do with the issue of stuff not working |
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| [06:11:45] | Cardoe: | what was the error you were getting? |
| [06:12:06] | thechris: | when i was using gcc4.1 i really didn't get an error, just couldn't change channels |
| [06:12:33] | thechris: | after recompiling my system with gcc3.4 i can change channels |
| [06:13:11] | thechris: | though maybe its unrelated to the compiler. emerge -e world might have upgraded something relevent? |
| [06:13:18] | Dagmar: | Heck, I'm suprised the lot of it even *compiled* with gcc-4.1 |
| [06:13:36] | Cardoe: | thechris: did you try it from command line? |
| [06:13:59] | thechris: | Cardoe: as in cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg? |
| [06:14:06] | Cardoe: | thechris: right |
| [06:14:11] | Cardoe: | and ivtvctl to change the channels |
| [06:14:16] | thechris: | i did try that, and i used ptune.pl to change channels |
| [06:14:23] | Cardoe: | no ptune.pl is broken |
| [06:14:27] | Cardoe: | where'd you get that? |
| [06:14:29] | Cardoe: | in fact.. |
| [06:14:39] | thechris: | it is in portage still. |
| [06:14:57] | Cardoe: | not anymore it's not |
| [06:15:24] | thechris: | ok, so i guess i should update the "ptune.pl" part one gentoo-wiki |
| [06:15:42] | Cardoe: | There's no functional ptune.pl anywhere AFAIK |
| [06:15:47] | Cardoe: | kormoc: awake still? |
| [06:15:53] | Cardoe: | it's replace by a C app |
| [06:15:56] | Cardoe: | ivtvplay or something |
| [06:16:11] | kormoc: | hi |
| [06:16:19] | thechris: | i'll have to look into that |
| [06:16:25] | Cardoe: | what's the ivtv* app to change channels all pretty like? |
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| [06:16:30] | Cardoe: | thechris: you're a bad wiki person |
| [06:16:34] | Cardoe: | you're one of those people |
| [06:16:58] | thechris: | not a fan of wiki's? |
| [06:17:06] | thechris: | or just not my entries |
| [06:17:08] | kormoc: | uhh |
| [06:18:01] | Cardoe: | I like wiki's just fine. |
| [06:18:14] | Cardoe: | but I prefer some control over who can commit |
| [06:18:21] | kormoc: | ivtv-tune |
| [06:18:25] | kormoc: | http://ivtvdriver.org/svn/ivtv/trunk/utils/ivtv-tune/ |
| [06:18:43] | Cardoe: | kormoc: thx |
| [06:18:49] | kormoc: | np |
| [06:19:27] | Cardoe: | thechris: I'm willing to bet you didn't remove your IVTV cards from mythsetup and then readd them back in |
| [06:19:34] | Cardoe: | which is why they couldn't change channels. |
| [06:20:26] | Cardoe: | thechris: I find that whenever I spend about 6hrs fixing the wiki |
| [06:20:32] | Cardoe: | someone goes and breaks it in about 15 minutes. |
| [06:20:55] | achew22: | who would have thought that moving 80+gb of info would take a long time.... |
| [06:21:12] | Cardoe: | thechris: so at this point I don't care. |
| [06:21:13] | thechris: | i was never able to change channels |
| [06:21:29] | thechris: | though that may explain the 0.4.5 breakage i had later on |
| [06:21:32] | Cardoe: | and I just take anyone who attempts to use that wiki worth a grain of salt. |
| [06:21:49] | Cardoe: | thechris: 0.4.x<->0.6.x requires a remove and readd |
| [06:22:17] | thechris: | ah. i didn't think anything had changed except which tuner to use. |
| [06:22:26] | thechris: | but i guess i should have been safe |
| [06:23:15] | marmoset: | anyone ever had autotranscoding no longer work? I have the recording profile and the tuner both set up to auntranscode, but now it just doesn't schedule it. If I schedule manually it works fine. |
| [06:23:20] | Dagmar: | Ya gotta keep in mind that, especially in the case of C++ code, moving to a newer version of GCC is a dodgy proposition |
| [06:25:00] | Dagmar: | The first thing you generally do when you change major revisions of gcc is start making a list of what stopped working |
| [06:26:52] | thechris: | for some reason everyone on #gentoo-amd64 hails gcc4.1 as great |
| [06:26:57] | marmoset: | heh |
| [06:27:04] | Dagmar: | That's because they're Gentoo users. |
| [06:27:06] | Cardoe: | What moron put those horrible captas on gentoo-wiki? |
| [06:27:10] | Dagmar: | If it's shiny, they like it. |
| [06:27:11] | Cardoe: | they're illegible |
| [06:27:34] | Cardoe: | thechris: because it's the first real compiler that's not broken and is targeted for AMD64 properly? |
| [06:27:43] | Cardoe: | and handles the 32<->64 bit stuff correctly |
| [06:27:50] | Cardoe: | Dagmar is a moron. |
| [06:27:55] | thechris: | hmm, i guess that could be it |
| [06:27:56] | Cardoe: | we established that about an hour ago. |
| [06:28:10] | Dagmar: | ...add to that that they're on IRC, and you won't find a better set of intellectuals outside the food court of any mall. |
| [06:28:20] | kormoc: | and yet, you're on irc... |
| [06:28:31] | Dagmar: | Yeah, but I'm also still using gcc 3.3.6 |
| [06:28:53] | Dagmar: | There is also a degree to which I have "always" been on IRC. |
| [06:28:55] | thechris: | in anycase, i don't think i've ever thanked you for the ebuilds for ivtv. so. thanks |
| [06:29:10] | marmoset: | Dagmar: I'm submitting that to bash ;) |
| [06:29:19] | marmoset: | the food court |
| [06:29:22] | Dagmar: | lol |
| [06:29:33] | Dagmar: | Man that'll be fun when it comes back to haunt me |
| [06:31:01] | marmoset: | I think I want to start internet3 |
| [06:31:05] | marmoset: | internet2 was a bust |
| [06:31:11] | marmoset: | internet3 will require that I approve people |
| [06:31:27] | marmoset: | I want a big delete button too |
| [06:31:32] | thechris: | i think i saw something about .Net3 |
| [06:31:33] | Dagmar: | Maybe with gcc-4.2 we'll get a utility to hunt down any and all C++ calls that have had their interpretations changed or corrected so that we can find out what's going to break in a procedural wayu |
| [06:33:05] | Dagmar: | marmoset: I2 isn't a bust. |
| [06:33:21] | Dagmar: | The big ISP's just haven't decided they can make money off it yet |
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| [06:33:43] | marmoset: | they can't, the problems that I2 was trying to solve were solved in alternate ways by commercial outfits |
| [06:33:59] | Dagmar: | Just like back in the 80's CompuServe, Delphi, TymeNet, and all those other losers were all poo-poohing the Internet, and then one day "Whoops!" |
| [06:34:25] | Dagmar: | ...the next minute you know we're neck deep in AOL users with practically no warning. |
| [06:35:02] | Dagmar: | marmoset: Yeah, but those are all individual responses to each little problem |
| [06:35:23] | Cardoe: | ok... |
| [06:35:34] | Cardoe: | that captcha is pissing me off. |
| [06:35:34] | Dagmar: | I think the main issue is that MCSE's aren't smart enough to be able to configure routers to deal with IPv65 |
| [06:35:39] | Dagmar: | er IPv6 |
| [06:35:43] | marmoset: | ipvs6 is a bust too ;) |
| [06:35:44] | Cardoe: | so thechris I won't get to insult people as much as I wanted on gentoo-wiki |
| [06:35:55] | Cardoe: | MCSE = Must Consult Someone Experienced |
| [06:36:05] | Cardoe: | IPv6 is built into Windows Vista |
| [06:36:05] | juski: | MCSEs? don't make me laugh |
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| [06:36:23] | Cardoe: | It's auto-enabled too |
| [06:36:40] | Cardoe: | Windows Longhorn Server also automatically hands out IPv6 IPs |
| [06:36:50] | Cardoe: | when you turn on the DHCP service |
| [06:36:58] | Cardoe: | if you enable DNS |
| [06:37:03] | Dagmar: | well, all these companies seem to want to get rid of everyone they were paying a decent wage to, and hire a bunch of clueless MCSE's to run their flinchy little NT machines |
| [06:37:05] | Cardoe: | it automatically creates A and AAAA records |
| [06:37:21] | thechris: | sweet. by the time ip6 becomes widely used, vista will finally be out. |
| [06:37:25] | Dagmar: | ...which leaves them with people only barely qualified to configure their Cisco routers for IPv4 |
| [06:37:56] | Dagmar: | For everything else, they hire a consultant, or buy someone's turnkey "solution" to a given problem |
| [06:38:03] | Cardoe: | Dagmar: no they want to get rid of bikers that wear fingerless gloves, wear USB keys around their necks like "bling bling" and have run ins with the law... |
| [06:38:10] | ** thechris hates tech support in general ** | |
| [06:38:17] | Dagmar: | Hence, very few people have anyone on board even remotely qualified to deal with an IPv6 migration |
| [06:38:20] | Cardoe: | they like the people that kind of mesh with the other employees and follows company dress code |
| [06:38:36] | thechris: | you always know the good solution, but are forced to find the managment aproved workaround... |
| [06:38:53] | Dagmar: | I can't very well blame them for being a little cautious about it, but most companies just can't do it at all |
| [06:39:15] | marmoset: | Dagmar: ipv6 is either going to have to change a bunch or it's never going to go anywhere |
| [06:39:36] | thechris: | is there a large difference with ipv6? my ccna ran out years ago. |
| [06:39:43] | Dagmar: | With all the madness that went on from poorly configured IPv4 equipment (7up, sprite, smurf) there's bound to be ramifications from letting chimpanzees configure IPv6 equipment |
| [06:39:55] | marmoset: | thechris: from the point of people who make money on the internet, yeah ;) |
| [06:40:20] | Dagmar: | Well, let's see... Offhand there's integrated support for crypto, as well as QoS |
| [06:40:27] | marmoset: | irrelevant |
| [06:40:29] | Dagmar: | There's two things right there that should be more widespread |
| [06:40:36] | marmoset: | ISPs can't multihome under ipv6 currently |
| [06:40:39] | marmoset: | which means it's a non-starter |
| [06:41:00] | Dagmar: | Hm... That's something that would need looking into, but I don't see why BGP can't do it |
| [06:41:10] | marmoset: | Dagmar: ISPs can't get provider independent space |
| [06:41:15] | marmoset: | it's by design |
| [06:41:33] | Dagmar: | Then how can users get provider-independent IP-sace? |
| [06:41:38] | Dagmar: | s/sace/space/; |
| [06:41:39] | marmoset: | they can't |
| [06:41:48] | Dagmar: | I was under the impression they could |
| [06:42:14] | marmoset: | nah, you can use the last 4 octets or whatever, so you just have to change the first part when you move ISPs, but that's different |
| [06:42:29] | Dagmar: | AH okay I gotcah |
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| [07:27:23] | xris: | laney__: so with the gdm thing, apparently you need to add users to the "face menu" login list in order for auto-login to work properly. |
| [07:28:33] | Dagmar: | lovely |
| [07:29:49] | xris: | soundcard is at least sort of functional (meaning that it knows its name) after the reinstall |
| [07:29:53] | xris: | not much else I can ask for |
| [07:31:20] | xris: | and my wife now has a nice new set of 5.1 speakers. heh |
| [07:34:36] | marmoset: | heh |
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| [07:49:26] | Cardoe: | xris: why use kdm or gdm? |
| [07:49:53] | xris: | Cardoe: because gdm is the default and I'm too lazy to bother changing it? |
| [07:50:00] | Cardoe: | meh |
| [07:50:02] | xris: | what other choice is there, anyway? |
| [07:50:03] | Cardoe: | use mgetty |
| [07:50:46] | Cardoe: | tweak your /etc/inittab |
| [07:50:59] | Cardoe: | burn a VT that logs in |
| [07:52:19] | thechris: | i was lazy... i put su chris -c startx in my local.start |
| [07:53:38] | dscoular: | Arghh, my gentoo logical volumes have gone after updating world! device-mapper: error adding target to table |
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| [08:58:24] | dorel_1: | im using lirc with the remote control of the pvr150 and i get this situation where if i enter the description of the movie in 'watch videos' im unable to exit using the back/exist quit and i'm forced to exit using the power key. |
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| [09:07:33] | dscoular: | dorel_1, sounds like your bindings have been changed from mythweb |
| [09:08:53] | dscoular: | dorel_1, or mythcontrols |
| [09:09:57] | dorel_1: | ill tell you what |
| [09:10:17] | dorel_1: | i used the original lirc example file and i've seen that it has a whole lot of configuration in it so maybe there's something there that is messing it up |
| [09:10:39] | dorel_1: | is that file supposed to be copy to /etc/ and thats it? cause if it requires some tweaking then thats probably the problem |
| [09:11:27] | dscoular: | dorel_1, if the powerkey is working in that screen it means your default bindings within myth have changed... hitting "back" always produces "back" as far as lircd is concerned. |
| [09:18:51] | dorel_1: | uhmm |
| [09:18:55] | dorel_1: | could you show me your lirc.conf? :) |
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| [09:35:29] | dscoular: | does mythtv 0.19-fixes svn compile against qt4 |
| [09:36:02] | dscoular: | dorel_1, it's nothing to do with lirc |
| [09:36:30] | dscoular: | dorel_1, unless you are getting random keys |
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| [09:38:05] | gardengnome: | dscoular: nope, mythtv won't work with qt4 |
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| [09:57:30] | dscoular: | hmm, gentoo must patch it, I guess, in their ebuild. |
| [09:57:40] | dscoular: | Looks like it's just a bad include path |
| [09:59:04] | dscoular: | unless they use a qt3 slot |
| [09:59:45] | dscoular: | yep it does use qt3 |
| [09:59:47] | dscoular: | damn! |
| [10:03:42] | dscoular: | Hmm, how do I tell configure to use qt3. I tried setting QTDIR=/usr/qt/3 |
| [10:05:14] | dscoular: | ah... perhaps make distclean is my friend |
| [10:05:54] | dscoular: | bugger |
| [10:07:41] | dscoular: | A simply setting the path to /usr/qt/3/bin hee hee |
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| [10:19:00] | Yalla-One: | MythMusic and KDE's Amarok seems to be sharing quite a few common goals when it comes to music-organization, usability and startup times – being a non-programmer I have to ask – are the two projects talking to each other? |
| [10:19:42] | Yalla-One: | ...or – could they benefit from talking to each other? Seems like to only place where Myth is only "as good as" and not radically better than Microsoft's MediaCentre is in the Music-player department :) |
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| [10:29:25] | scopeuk: | Yalla-One the butey of it is as long as the licenses and for purposes of good manors and respect for the devs the code base can be share borrwed menagled etc |
| [10:29:44] | scopeuk: | although myth music is is one of the summer of code objectives i belive |
| [10:30:41] | Yalla-One: | scopeuk, I know – I'm excitedly waiting to see the results.. Maybe once Google's SoC is over, they can rename MythTV to MythMedia or something to reflect it's position as medie centre :) |
| [10:30:41] | scopeuk: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/SoC2006#MythMusic |
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| [10:31:29] | scopeuk: | hmm no becouse vaniler myth tv isent realy a media centre its just when you start adding plugins itbecomes a media |
| [10:31:57] | scopeuk: | lol k |
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| [10:32:17] | Yalla-One: | scopeuk, I know, but consider the common applications of MythTV. If you're going to have a box in our living room next to the TV, you would want it to be a media centre, right? Or how else is it going to compete against MS Media Centre ? |
| [10:32:32] | scopeuk: | were not rearly competing |
| [10:32:39] | gardengnome: | we're superior |
| [10:32:56] | Yalla-One: | gardengnome, Exactly! (Except for the music-part, which will change soon) |
| [10:33:51] | scopeuk: | every one acknolages th failings of myth music as the soc page says its one of the biggest complaints |
| [10:33:55] | Yalla-One: | Anyway – for the average user, it doesn't make sense to have a TV-only box that doesn't do music and other mediecentre capabilities, when it's already sitting in the living room. From a pure usability point of view. The modular approach in Myth is a strike of genious, as it makes it flexible |
| [10:34:03] | Yalla-One: | yep |
| [10:35:59] | Yalla-One: | Guess the reason why I'm rambling against this is that I recently got my hands on the latest Microsoft's IP/TV system in the office (takes at least 15 servers to run...), but the set-top-box is neat, and the functionality is not too different from Myth.. The demo looks awesome, but then again, with MS there's far far far from fact of product to flash-presentations :D |
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| [10:36:24] | Yalla-One: | Guess the reason why I'm rambling against this is that I recently got my hands on the latest Microsoft's IP/TV system in the office (takes at least 15 servers to run...), |
| [10:36:44] | Yalla-One: | hmm – that came out weird and in the wrong sequence... |
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| [10:38:37] | LLyric: | Is there a faq about what capture-cards / video sources / input / channels are, and how they relate? |
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| [10:40:59] | Juski_: | morning |
| [10:42:09] | LLyric: | Gidday |
| [10:42:25] | gardengnome: | g'morning Juski_ |
| [10:43:11] | Hoxzer: | g00d m0rning |
| [10:43:23] | Hoxzer: | ;) but anyway |
| [10:43:25] | Hoxzer: | lost is good |
| [10:43:42] | Hoxzer: | eventhough I read this one page @ something awful |
| [10:44:08] | Hoxzer: | http://www.somethingawful.com/index.php?a=3827 |
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| [10:52:15] | REUS_: | hi |
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| [10:54:18] | REUS_: | http://rafb.net/paste/results/NrIzwK49.html |
| [10:54:29] | REUS_: | i need help uninstalling a tuner i don't got |
| [10:54:34] | REUS_: | any advise ? |
| [10:55:36] | REUS_: | they conexant don't wanne uninstall |
| [10:55:41] | REUS_: | and i got diff card |
| [10:57:50] | REUS_: | basicly what i need is a uninstall cmd for Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI |
| [11:03:56] | hashbang: | REUS_: is that after you've unplugged the card from the system? |
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| [11:04:30] | Juski_: | afternoon (dodgy internet connection today) |
| [11:04:39] | REUS_: | noon |
| [11:04:58] | REUS_: | http://rafb.net/paste/results/NrIzwK49.html |
| [11:05:31] | REUS_: | need to get it off the system but don't seem able to |
| [11:05:32] | hashbang: | REUS_: yes, I've seen that. That's why I was asking whether that was after the card had been removed. |
| [11:05:53] | REUS_: | i never had that card ... just installed a bad driver ... o0 |
| [11:06:15] | hashbang: | REUS_: well, it's showing up on the PCI bus. |
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| [11:06:37] | Juski_: | I think my work's internet connection has fallen back to dialup :-/ |
| [11:07:03] | REUS_: | nah that's my asus tv/fm card ... and that has a saa7135 tuner from phillips |
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| [11:07:10] | REUS_: | not conexant |
| [11:07:43] | REUS_: | dialup is still connected eh ? howcomes u exceeded bandwidth ? |
| [11:08:17] | Juski_: | the IT dept are erm... skill challenged |
| [11:08:20] | REUS_: | i need to be able to remove the conexant driver ... but dunno how ... yast don't let me |
| [11:09:16] | REUS_: | it won't let the card be having an other driver ... like modprobe saa7135 or something ... it don't bind |
| [11:09:43] | REUS_: | it keeps saying conexant ... it's frustrating |
| [11:10:36] | Juski_: | the perils of autodetection |
| [11:10:50] | REUS_: | heh .. yah .. how i change that ? |
| [11:12:29] | qu0zl: | theres a modules.blacklist or some similarly named file |
| [11:12:37] | qu0zl: | that lets you blacklist drivers so they won't be auto-loaded |
| [11:12:46] | qu0zl: | hotplug has a similar thing too if it's hotplug loading it |
| [11:13:16] | LLyric: | Anyone know of a reason why recording from a VCR via s-video would result in a "shaky" picture (jumping up and down, bad mpeg artifacts), when it plays just fine on the tv, from the same video? |
| [11:13:53] | Juski_: | LLyric: macrovision? |
| [11:14:30] | LLyric: | I don't think so – it's not a commercial tape. Picture looks basically okay, just skips up and down a bit, and shows mpeg? artifacts. |
| [11:14:36] | gardengnome: | maybe bitrate too low, jumping might come from a wrong capture resolution. at least that was the case with ivtv 0.1.9 |
| [11:14:56] | LLyric: | Though I recorded something else of VHS before that, to test it, and it worked okay |
| [11:15:26] | ** LLyric attempting to record an ultrasound video, to send to the rellies ** | |
| [11:16:48] | Juski_: | not unlikely it's the wrong video standard or just slightly out of spec |
| [11:17:38] | LLyric: | It could be, I guess, was recording with some fancy machine. But the VCR plays it fine to tv. And I'm recording from the same output. |
| [11:18:23] | Juski_: | tvs are very accepting when it comes to sync timings & stuff |
| [11:19:14] | LLyric: | How would I tell? How would I work around this? :) |
| [11:19:38] | REUS_: | qu0zl: so ho do i blacklist connexant? |
| [11:20:02] | qu0zl: | find what's loading it, then google for that and blacklist would be my suggestion |
| [11:20:08] | Juski_: | if you have a 'copy enhancer' or something that processes the video signal (e.g. effect unit/av fader etc) that might be able to regenerate the sync pulses |
| [11:20:24] | REUS_: | how i find what's loading it ? |
| [11:20:36] | qu0zl: | try 'dmesg' |
| [11:20:44] | REUS_: | http://rafb.net/paste/results/NrIzwK49.html |
| [11:21:03] | qu0zl: | tha'ts not dmesg |
| [11:21:15] | qu0zl: | oh, try grep -5 saa |
| [11:21:56] | Juski_: | LLyric: I'm surprised they don't deal that kind of thing out on dvd these days anyway ;-) |
| [11:22:12] | GreyFoxx: | Juski/gardengnome: The Intel IEGD patch I'm using is here : http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/msntv/intel_iegd_agp-2.6.16.20.patch |
| [11:22:26] | gardengnome: | GreyFoxx: awesome. thanks a lot!! |
| [11:22:31] | Juski_: | GreyFoxx: star man! |
| [11:22:44] | ** gardengnome fires up the dev box ** | |
| [11:23:20] | LLyric: | juski: yeah, would have been better! |
| [11:23:25] | REUS_: | what i wanne look @ with dmesg ? |
| [11:23:30] | REUS_: | http://rafb.net/paste/results/Y2GEQ183.html |
| [11:23:33] | LLyric: | It looks good on VHS, but crap by the time it makes it into myth :( |
| [11:23:45] | LLyric: | I don't want to play it a lot of times before I can get a good capture off it |
| [11:23:49] | REUS_: | maybne sync lost ? |
| [11:25:45] | LLyric: | Quite possibly, not sure what I can do about it. |
| [11:25:59] | LLyric: | I'll go try another tape again, but iirc that worked fine. |
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| [11:26:18] | LLyric: | Uuuh, it's starting to record something else, so I can't play right now. |
| [11:26:26] | Juski_: | LLyric: maybe try an old frame grabber card – possibly even make a copy onto another VHS |
| [11:26:31] | REUS_: | qu0zl: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Y2GEQ183.html |
| [11:26:36] | REUS_: | dmesg |
| [11:26:57] | qu0zl: | yep i saw, you see the bit about where it says you can specify card type as a parameter? |
| [11:27:00] | qu0zl: | you try that? |
| [11:27:09] | qu0zl: | is your card listed in those cards? |
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| [11:28:13] | Juski_: | sheesh this connection is _shocking_ today |
| [11:29:13] | REUS_: | nope |
| [11:29:23] | REUS_: | ASUS tv/fm |
| [11:29:23] | Juski_: | oh they've tried rebooting a server.. still no use.. lol |
| [11:29:35] | qu0zl: | are you sure V4L supports it so REUS_ ? |
| [11:29:45] | REUS_: | yes |
| [11:29:48] | qu0zl: | you're best bet is probably to ask the v4l irc channel as it's a v4l problem |
| [11:29:57] | REUS_: | i did get picture once and watch channels with kdetv |
| [11:30:04] | qu0zl: | i've setup v4l, but that's as much as i know about it tbh |
| [11:30:10] | REUS_: | with modprobe crad = tuner = |
| [11:30:29] | REUS_: | but lost the numbers |
| [11:30:32] | qu0zl: | ahhh |
| [11:30:35] | qu0zl: | those are what you need |
| [11:30:36] | REUS_: | it's phillips chip |
| [11:30:42] | REUS_: | and asus board |
| [11:30:43] | qu0zl: | it's not autodetecting it, so try different card values |
| [11:30:49] | qu0zl: | until it sucessfully loads with one |
| [11:30:54] | REUS_: | how i save the modprobe ? |
| [11:30:57] | qu0zl: | then try and cat /dev/video0 I think it is |
| [11:31:03] | REUS_: | so i don't have to do it every startup ? |
| [11:31:09] | qu0zl: | read the v4l docs. i don't believe they don't tell you in there |
| [11:31:29] | REUS_: | k thkx |
| [11:31:40] | REUS_: | big help :D |
| [11:31:57] | qu0zl: | i hope you get it working |
| [11:32:03] | qu0zl: | if you've had video from it before then it should |
| [11:32:07] | REUS_: | my system hang on grep |
| [11:32:53] | REUS_: | i will sooner or later ;) |
| [11:33:47] | Juski_: | I give up |
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| [11:36:08] | Juski_: | oo am I in? |
| [11:36:12] | Juski_: | looks that way for now |
| [11:37:00] | gardengnome: | heh |
| [11:37:13] | Mattwj2005: | |
| [11:37:41] | Juski_: | packets are still going missing left right & centre |
| [11:38:42] | ** Juski_ wonders if the IT dept 'have tried rebooting'... ;-) ** | |
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| [11:56:41] | dscoular: | any thoughts on: 2006-06–15 21:55:52.969 Clearing Settings Cache. Segmentation fault |
| [12:00:29] | dscoular: | " |
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| [13:01:48] | GreyFoxx: | Juski/gardengnome: The Intel IEGD patch I'm using is here : http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/msntv/intel_iegd_agp-2.6.16.20.patch |
| [13:01:51] | GreyFoxx: | oops |
| [13:02:07] | gardengnome: | hehe ;) |
| [13:02:19] | gardengnome: | looks good, thanks again. i'm fighting with DRM now |
| [13:05:25] | gardengnome: | well. i810.ko, i830.ko and i915.ko just make it OOPS :/ |
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| [14:02:22] | gardengnome: | juski: have you had any luck with drm/dri on the s100? |
| [14:02:43] | juski: | re |
| [14:02:58] | gardengnome: | re juski |
| [14:03:02] | juski: | gardengnome: I only just got GreyFoxx's patch |
| [14:03:22] | juski: | might try it tonight |
| [14:03:26] | gardengnome: | juski: ah, ok. |
| [14:03:36] | juski: | you tried it yet? |
| [14:04:05] | gardengnome: | yep. doesn't work well. or doesn't work at all. it spits out "No matching visual for __GLcontextMode with visual class = -1" and i get a backtrace in dmesg. |
| [14:04:17] | juski: | hrm |
| [14:04:27] | gardengnome: | google doesn't give me any results for that error message, btw :/ |
| [14:04:35] | juski: | works well enough for me without dri anyway, so I'm not fussed too much |
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| [14:04:52] | gardengnome: | yes, but DRI is nice to have, especially for mythmusic visualisations |
| [14:05:03] | juski: | pleh. I can _so_ live without them |
| [14:05:09] | gardengnome: | heh |
| [14:05:45] | gardengnome: | well, i suppose i should get the tv-out to behave then. |
| [14:06:48] | juski: | I've been trying to think of a simple way to choose between various configs in a text file |
| [14:07:09] | juski: | prolly make a script to symlink the files & do network mounts etc |
| [14:07:10] | gardengnome: | juski: i think that's possible via config ids |
| [14:07:29] | gardengnome: | or what do you mean by "various configs"? |
| [14:07:44] | juski: | different stuff like which outputs to use etc |
| [14:07:51] | juski: | (thinking in distro mode) ;-) |
| [14:07:53] | gardengnome: | ah, k |
| [14:07:55] | gardengnome: | heh ;) |
| [14:08:39] | gardengnome: | i'll do something similar. i have to make overlay dirs because i need differing configs for my two frontends |
| [14:10:55] | juski: | should be quite simple to have a config.txt file like minimyth does – one file with all the config info inside :-) |
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| [14:11:09] | pdc: | hi |
| [14:11:30] | pdc: | what does "Could not connect to master backend server" mean? Is this my SQL daemon? |
| [14:11:42] | gardengnome: | no, it's your master backend server |
| [14:11:49] | juski: | surprisingly |
| [14:12:23] | pdc: | oh... well that clears things up :) |
| [14:13:05] | juski: | yup |
| [14:13:26] | qu0zl: | you should have a mythbackend process running too pdc |
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| [14:13:33] | qu0zl: | as well as the mythfrontend one |
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| [14:14:51] | pdc: | ok... making progress |
| [14:14:54] | pdc: | I think |
| [14:19:57] | pdc: | ok then. Looks good. |
| [14:20:14] | pdc: | "All available inputs are in use" so I guess I need to set up my TV Tuner |
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| [14:21:40] | juski: | you should do that before running mythfrontend really |
| [14:28:36] | pdc: | I have a Pinnacle 300i. lspci shows it detected fine. lsmod shows the appropriate kernel modules. What else must I consider? |
| [14:30:52] | juski: | testing it in linux outside of mythtv |
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| [14:42:26] | Neeesat25: | Hello to all |
| [14:42:48] | Neeesat25: | Is anyone using fglrx driver for tv-out? |
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| [14:49:42] | pdc: | will keep working on it... |
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| [15:00:18] | ** juski is looking fwd to a nice easy, fast drive home tonight :-D ** | |
| [15:00:41] | gardengnome: | huh? got a tank? |
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| [15:02:01] | riksta: | juski, i take it you finish after 5 :) |
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| [15:11:02] | juski: | I can finish any time after 4.,30 but I'll wait til the fools have gone home to watch the game :-P |
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| [15:14:12] | PuGz: | hey guys |
| [15:15:05] | PuGz: | i was hoping to get my Yuan PD300 mini tv card working in linux – i am using ubuntu dapper |
| [15:15:25] | PuGz: | i am not new to linux... i can compile a kernel.. blah blah... just never used tv cards before |
| [15:16:01] | PuGz: | is there a tv program to use that isnt as in depth as mythtv – mythtv seems to be something u leave running most of the time to treat ur computer as a kind of media centre yes? |
| [15:16:14] | qu0zl: | xawtv |
| [15:16:19] | PuGz: | ok... cool |
| [15:16:28] | PuGz: | qu0zl: any hints as to how to get my card working in linux? |
| [15:16:46] | PuGz: | qu0zl: it isnt picked up by default... and i dont know what drivers, modules or firmware to use |
| [15:16:53] | qu0zl: | read the v4l docs and ask in their irc channel. There'll be a higher level of v4l expertise in there |
| [15:17:04] | PuGz: | cool |
| [15:17:06] | PuGz: | cheers dude |
| [15:17:08] | qu0zl: | gl |
| [15:17:18] | PuGz: | thanks – cya |
| [15:17:34] | PuGz: | wait – b4 i go... was i right about mythtv being more of a permanent application? |
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| [15:17:47] | PuGz: | i just want some thing i can watch tv on my laptop every now and then |
| [15:17:48] | juski: | not necessarily |
| [15:17:57] | juski: | mythtv isn't for watching tv really |
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| [15:18:04] | juski: | it's a _PVR_ |
| [15:18:28] | qu0zl: | it doesn't have to be running all the time PuGz, but if you just want basic tv watching functionality xawtv should be quicker |
| [15:18:29] | juski: | if you just wanna watch TV a la 'dumb TV', mythtv is not for you |
| [15:18:38] | i686|laptop: | hey all, anyone having probs with the downloading of tv data..? |
| [15:19:15] | PuGz: | qu0zl: juski: thats what i thought... i will check out xawtv and v4l |
| [15:19:16] | PuGz: | cheers |
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| [16:18:44] | Aid`: | I have 2 hard drives — how do i get mythtv to point to two paths it includes both of my mythtv videos on both drives? |
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| [16:21:18] | Aid`: | morning xirs |
| [16:21:21] | Aid`: | xris* |
| [16:23:32] | jams: | Aid`- at the moment that is not possible. Some use symlinks to overcome that problem |
| [16:24:08] | jams: | there is a patch out there somewhere todo what you want, but I have not used it |
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| [16:36:20] | speedsix: | Hi all |
| [16:37:54] | speedsix: | *tumbleweed* |
| [16:38:04] | speedsix: | Everyone watching the football then |
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| [16:40:50] | scopeuk: | yes |
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| [16:41:05] | scopeuk: | also recording it |
| [16:41:12] | scopeuk: | not on myth mind you |
| [16:41:21] | scopeuk: | good ald fasioned stand alone dvd recorder ;-0) |
| [16:41:32] | juski: | football? wtf is football? :-P |
| [16:41:37] | Hoxzer: | :/ why not myth? |
| [16:42:11] | juski: | oh yeah – overpaid _ponces_ mincing around a field feigning injury.. now I remember |
| [16:42:35] | speedsix: | juski, amen |
| [16:42:58] | speedsix: | nearly got wiped out by goons rushing home in time for the football |
| [16:43:23] | speedsix: | tailgaiting me and then trying to undertake, muppet |
| [16:43:24] | juski: | you know it's funny in this country. in the USA people have stickers & stuff on their cars saying "bring our troops home now!"... and in England... erm... |
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| [16:44:59] | speedsix: | juski, dvdauthor segfaults when I use mytharchive, have you seen this problem? |
| [16:45:33] | juski: | speedsix: I saw it with mythburn, but generally mytharchive fails long before dvdauthor gets a chance |
| [16:45:44] | speedsix: | mytharchive generates an .xml file that causes dvdauthor to segfault |
| [16:46:08] | speedsix: | tried latest from source, same problem |
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| [16:46:53] | speedsix: | I had to add a path into the db settings table to get it to get this far. It had set it for the hostname of my backend but not the frontend |
| [16:46:56] | gardengnome: | speedsix: have you seen the postings on the ML? |
| [16:47:02] | speedsix: | no? |
| [16:47:21] | gardengnome: | well, you'd better search for it then, someone was/is having similar issues |
| [16:47:36] | speedsix: | on the myth users list? |
| [16:47:52] | speedsix: | actually I think I did see it |
| [16:48:23] | speedsix: | yeah I did, no solution it seems. should really be onto the dvdauthor peeps, shouldn't really segfault |
| [16:48:52] | juski: | I see they finally fixed mjpegtools segfaulting on gentoo |
| [16:49:18] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [16:52:40] | scopeuk: | im not the worlds biggest fan but free beer and food helps |
| [16:56:21] | juski: | I'm the world's biggest anti-fan :-) |
| [16:56:40] | scopeuk: | i use to be |
| [16:57:04] | scopeuk: | somethingalongthe lines of "why whould i wanna watc ha bunch of morons kickign a slab of pig roudna field" |
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| [17:01:56] | juski: | anyway – not gonna give em any more oxygen :-) |
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| [17:07:45] | speedsix: | Hey I got out of work early cos of the football, not complaining |
| [17:09:02] | juski: | hmm back to the stage of getting X to start automagically & kick xvnc & mythfrontend into action. so many ways to do it |
| [17:09:41] | kormoc: | heh |
| [17:11:00] | kormoc: | juski, this is what I use |
| [17:11:02] | kormoc: | http://pastebin.ca/65904 |
| [17:11:21] | kormoc: | in cron as * * * * * /home/mythtv/runxandfrontend.sh |
| [17:12:29] | juski: | no cron on this box :) |
| [17:12:40] | kormoc: | ahh, sucky |
| [17:13:14] | gardengnome: | inittab? or write your own init script ;) i'm gonna do that now/soon for initng |
| [17:13:48] | kormoc: | I like my way as it just relaunches X or the frontend within a minute |
| [17:14:51] | juski: | hmm I have /etc/cron.foo directories though... |
| [17:14:56] | gardengnome: | while true; do mythfrontend; done relaunches mythfrontend immediately ;) |
| [17:15:25] | juski: | sometimes too much choice is a bad thing |
| [17:16:05] | juski: | can initng shave that much time off booting up? |
| [17:16:14] | kormoc: | juski, /etc/cron.foo won't help unless there's a cron running |
| [17:16:35] | marmoset: | kormoc: I like the inittab way since it'll throttle it if it keeps launching for some reason ;) |
| [17:16:48] | kormoc: | gardengnome, yeah, I had issues with that once, it would just not relaunch |
| [17:16:55] | kormoc: | marmoset, heh, fair nuff |
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| [17:17:14] | juski: | this is my first time out without a full DE ;) |
| [17:18:02] | juski: | inittab & cron both do away with the need to login though I guess |
| [17:18:12] | gardengnome: | need to login? use su. |
| [17:18:26] | gardengnome: | su – mythtv -c launchmyfrontend.sh |
| [17:19:10] | juski: | so that'd run launchmyfrontend as mythtv user yeah? |
| [17:19:14] | kormoc: | aye |
| [17:19:21] | kormoc: | but I think he ment the login prompt |
| [17:19:45] | gardengnome: | yep |
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| [17:20:00] | gardengnome: | ohy, right |
| [17:20:01] | gardengnome: | ;) |
| [17:20:59] | Aid`: | so does anuyone know how to include 2 hard drives in 1 mythtv library? |
| [17:22:43] | xris: | Aid`: lvm |
| [17:24:39] | juski: | this is weird. startx doesn't work properly but xinit does |
| [17:24:49] | Aid`: | ok ill look into 'lvm' |
| [17:25:22] | juski: | shit. xinit doesn't work now either :-/ |
| [17:25:26] | Aid`: | :/ |
| [17:25:43] | Aid`: | sometimes i wish linux would be like windows where you don't have to do all this damn configuring |
| [17:26:14] | speedsix: | there needs to be some easier way to reconfigure xorg |
| [17:26:18] | GreyFoxx: | I wish windows could be more like linux where I'm not isolated from the inner workings without spending copious amounts of money on useful tools |
| [17:26:35] | Aid`: | speedsix: i agree |
| [17:26:51] | kormoc: | there is |
| [17:26:55] | GreyFoxx: | speedsix: vi xorg.conf ? |
| [17:27:25] | speedsix: | adding a second screen via xorg.conf isn't something alot of people would be happy doing |
| [17:27:39] | GreyFoxx: | fyi, there are several different x configuration gui' out there |
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| [17:28:06] | kormoc: | speedsix, Aid`, X -configure |
| [17:28:11] | speedsix: | really, intresting. most distros don't ship with one though afaik |
| [17:28:22] | kormoc: | speedsix, Aid`, while not perfect, it usually gets it going... |
| [17:28:24] | Aid`: | kormoc: that doesn't even create a working config file |
| [17:28:29] | speedsix: | kormoc, that's not enough imo |
| [17:28:38] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [17:28:46] | Aid`: | now to learn about lvm |
| [17:29:19] | speedsix: | alsa is the same |
| [17:29:23] | kormoc: | I actually like how X is, as I write my X configs from scratch, so it's all happy |
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| [17:29:35] | jchome: | isnt mythtv compatible with qt4? |
| [17:29:38] | speedsix: | Yeah I do to, but I know people that would baulk at the idea |
| [17:29:41] | kormoc: | jchome, nope |
| [17:29:50] | jchome: | kormoc: k, thx |
| [17:30:00] | kormoc: | Aid`, http://sourceware.org/lvm2/ |
| [17:30:03] | scales: | anyone willing to help me with a small lirc problem? |
| [17:30:06] | jchome: | qt sux. :-P |
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| [17:31:10] | speedsix: | anyone know what creates the preview png's for mythweb recorded programs? |
| [17:31:18] | kormoc: | mythbackend |
| [17:31:42] | Aid`: | gah i have to read *sigh* |
| [17:31:46] | speedsix: | oh right, unlikely I can edit the time delay for it then. Seems to mainly grab ads |
| [17:31:57] | kormoc: | there is an option in mythtv-setup I beleive |
| [17:32:05] | kormoc: | for when it's generated |
| [17:32:13] | speedsix: | oh right, must've missed that |
| [17:32:17] | speedsix: | thanks |
| [17:32:23] | kormoc: | you're welcome |
| [17:32:51] | juski: | workmate was complaining today about how long it takes to install windows these days. sure the CD gets you up & going, but by the time you finish updating & rebooting, updating & rebooting, it's tomorrow already |
| [17:32:55] | scales: | i got lirc installed, made my own lirc.conf, and lircrc files, i run lirc, irw shows that it is recieving the right signals, etc, but when i go to run mythtv, the remote does not control mythtv. i think i might have named/placed the two files in the wrong directories |
| [17:33:19] | speedsix: | juski, definitely, reboot-tastic |
| [17:33:30] | juski: | scales: if irw works, then lircd.conf is in the right place. |
| [17:33:46] | speedsix: | I got this dapper install up and running really quickly compared to any windows install I've ever done |
| [17:33:57] | juski: | the lircrc file ( no dot in front) goes into ~/.mythtv/ |
| [17:34:09] | scales: | k, i did that |
| [17:34:11] | speedsix: | no driver installs and 95% of my apps in Synaptic |
| [17:34:56] | Aid`: | gah lvm is confusing |
| [17:34:57] | scales: | now i think my problem is that when irw gives me a response when i press buttons, it says something like, "ok" /home/mythtv/ati_remote.conf |
| [17:35:02] | scales: | where ok is the button i press |
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| [17:35:15] | speedsix: | I've given up trying convert colleagues away from windows, they all have the 'why bother' attitude |
| [17:35:16] | scales: | but i was wondering if i prehaps renamed the file incorrectly |
| [17:35:20] | kormoc: | mythtv's lirc is in ~/.mythtv/lircrc iirc |
| [17:35:36] | speedsix: | even though 99% of the things they moan about in windows is a complete non issue in linux |
| [17:36:00] | marmoset: | I never try to convert anyone to unix, because then I end up being support for them ;) |
| [17:36:28] | speedsix: | that's very true :) |
| [17:36:49] | Aid`: | debian:/usr/lib/nvidia# ln -s -n /mnt/2nd/mythtv --target-directory=/mnt/3rd/mythtv |
| [17:36:49] | Aid`: | ln: `/mnt/3rd/mythtv/mythtv': File exists |
| [17:36:50] | Aid`: | dang |
| [17:37:07] | speedsix: | Saying that I had the exact same attitude, I only tried linux out of pure geeky curiosity. I was perfectly happy using XP |
| [17:37:29] | juski: | the more I use linux the less happy I get in windows |
| [17:37:33] | scales: | why would lirc not be communicating with myth? |
| [17:37:55] | kormoc: | scales, mythtv's lirc is in ~/.mythtv/lircrc iirc |
| [17:37:57] | juski: | scales: if you compiled myth yourself (or on gentoo) maybe it's not got lirc support built in |
| [17:37:58] | marmoset: | scales: I'd try starting myth with -v all or whatever it is and see if it spits out any errors about talking to lirc |
| [17:38:15] | scales: | i didnt compile it myself |
| [17:38:22] | juski: | e.g. in gentoo you'd have to have the lirc flag set in USE |
| [17:38:23] | speedsix: | juski, exactly the same |
| [17:38:35] | scales: | i am using fc5 |
| [17:38:53] | marmoset: | speedsix: I've decided that picking an OS is a matter of finding what pisses you off the least, since all computers suck ;) |
| [17:39:13] | speedsix: | :) |
| [17:39:26] | marmoset: | like, I have no idea how people use itunes |
| [17:39:33] | marmoset: | it is one of the worst things I've ever used |
| [17:39:35] | speedsix: | when you get used to linux, windows is pain |
| [17:39:43] | speedsix: | never used it |
| [17:39:43] | marmoset: | oh I agree |
| [17:39:49] | marmoset: | I can't get anything done in windows |
| [17:40:21] | speedsix: | me neither, I get very stressed with it when asked to do anything in windows |
| [17:40:30] | marmoset: | but I'd never recommend that my mom use anything else ;) |
| [17:40:40] | speedsix: | my dad is still on XP |
| [17:40:51] | speedsix: | it's pain either way I reckon |
| [17:41:29] | speedsix: | all windows apps just seem like one big illogical, bloated ad-fest |
| [17:41:49] | scales: | brb |
| [17:42:32] | juski: | bah I'm conuzzled now |
| [17:42:46] | Aid`: | so which X Configuration GUI's do you recommend? |
| [17:42:54] | juski: | confuzzled, even |
| [17:44:19] | marmoset: | if I had one wish, I might actually use it to make it as if powerpoint had never existed |
| [17:44:40] | kormoc: | Aid`, I recommend you don't use one at all, but if you search freshmeat you'll find tons |
| [17:45:24] | scales: | ok so i just run "-v mythfrontend" |
| [17:45:30] | scales: | and that will spit out errors? |
| [17:45:36] | scales: | or something? |
| [17:45:37] | juski: | hmm I guess I could just try to make an init script and add that to the default runlevel |
| [17:45:59] | marmoset: | scales: I think it's "mythfronted -v all", but I'd check the docs, it's been a while |
| [17:46:03] | kormoc: | scales, before you do, you do have a lirc file in ~/.mythv/lircrc, right? |
| [17:46:05] | marmoset: | er, mythfrontend |
| [17:46:12] | scales: | yes |
| [17:46:19] | scales: | wait |
| [17:46:52] | scales: | there is another folder inside .mythtv called lircrc, not a file called lircrc |
| [17:47:09] | scales: | i have a file there called that |
| [17:47:18] | kormoc: | that likely won't work |
| [17:47:20] | speedsix: | kormoc, I can't see an option for the preview images in mythtv-setup, hmm |
| [17:47:33] | kormoc: | speedsix, it might be a frontend option |
| [17:47:40] | kormoc: | speedsix, I'm sure it's there somewhere |
| [17:47:53] | marmoset: | I know I've seen that option too |
| [17:48:28] | ** speedsix is poking round frontend options ** | |
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| [17:49:06] | defaultro: | hey guys, afternoon |
| [17:49:14] | kormoc: | mornin' |
| [17:49:17] | defaultro: | what do you think about delta m-aduio 410 card |
| [17:49:21] | defaultro: | hey kormoc, what's up |
| [17:49:28] | ** kormoc peers up ** | |
| [17:49:32] | defaultro: | i've been busy researching about whole house wiring |
| [17:49:40] | kormoc: | yeah? |
| [17:49:41] | defaultro: | and there are so many options |
| [17:50:20] | marmoset: | speedsix: setup -> tv settings -> playback -> <couple pages> -> time offset for thumbnail |
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| [17:50:38] | speedsix: | marmoset, just found it cheers :) |
| [17:51:08] | marmoset: | kinda weird it's a frontend option, but eh |
| [17:51:13] | kormoc: | should edit http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Menus |
| [17:51:16] | marmoset: | like I wonder if that's global |
| [17:52:51] | scales: | ok well i am going to go check those file locations, i probably will be back later thanks for the quick input |
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| [17:54:33] | speedsix: | whats the best way of adding a few channels in without doing a full scan? |
| [17:59:29] | juski: | scan existing transports? |
| [18:00:13] | speedsix: | I dont want to messup my channel table, just want to add in the 301–305 channels |
| [18:00:56] | speedsix: | have you got them in your channel table? Any chance you could stick the data up somewhere for me to add manually to my db? |
| [18:01:48] | juski: | erm.. I'll have a look |
| [18:02:09] | juski: | ah wait you could just have a look at a channels.conf |
| [18:02:31] | speedsix: | I would.. if I had one ;) Just looked for one |
| [18:02:36] | juski: | find out what mux they're on (what frequency) – then find that frequency in dtv_multiplex table |
| [18:03:00] | juski: | I think they're on the same mux as bbc1 actually |
| [18:03:09] | speedsix: | what about serviceid? |
| [18:05:31] | juski: | no they're on the same mux as BBC4 :-) |
| [18:05:39] | juski: | serviceid is erm... |
| [18:06:04] | juski: | 301 == 19456 |
| [18:06:12] | juski: | 302 == 19520 |
| [18:06:23] | juski: | 303 == 19584 |
| [18:06:26] | juski: | but those might've changed |
| [18:06:57] | speedsix: | excellent, thanks alot. Is there a 305? |
| [18:07:17] | defaultro: | hey guys, what's the new and coolest thing added to mythtv? I haven't updated yet |
| [18:07:36] | kormoc: | could check the changelog |
| [18:08:29] | juski: | speedsix: no 305 on this box |
| [18:09:03] | dev: | hrm mythbackend crashed again |
| [18:09:14] | speedsix: | ok cheers. Are the channid and channelnumber arbitary numbers, does it matter what I assign? |
| [18:09:18] | ** dev svn'd to latest -fixes and recompiled ** | |
| [18:09:27] | dev: | if it does it again, i'll run it under gdb.. |
| [18:09:32] | juski: | speedsix: chanid is an autoincrement thing iirc |
| [18:09:39] | dev: | dont want t oget scolded by chutt for not running the absoultel latest -fixes :P |
| [18:10:02] | juski: | channelnumber should be the freeview LCN iirc too (so make it 301, 302 etc) ;-) |
| [18:10:04] | speedsix: | oh right, incremented by the scan tho isn't it, i.e i need to slap something in there |
| [18:10:10] | speedsix: | Ok thanks |
| [18:10:21] | juski: | back up your DB now! |
| [18:10:25] | speedsix: | dev when my backend was crashing I had a db version mismatch |
| [18:10:42] | dev: | db versions mismatch? |
| [18:10:44] | dev: | -s |
| [18:10:46] | speedsix: | did it last night, it'll be fine, what do you take me for? |
| [18:11:02] | speedsix: | dev, mythfronted was expecting a different schema version |
| [18:11:30] | dev: | and that caused backend to crash not frontend? |
| [18:11:33] | speedsix: | it showed up in the output when running the frontend |
| [18:11:35] | speedsix: | yeah |
| [18:11:44] | dev: | ooh |
| [18:11:47] | ** dev looks at frontend logs ** | |
| [18:12:04] | dev: | ive had some real odd database problems lately |
| [18:12:08] | speedsix: | it said something like expected = 1024 found = 1056 |
| [18:12:13] | dev: | just came out of nowhere.. was strange |
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| [18:12:44] | dev: | like varchar on programid table being set to 6.. how it got that way i have no idea.. its the same database ive been running for over a year.. all of sudden set to 6.. |
| [18:13:19] | dev: | hrm no errors in the frontend logs |
| [18:13:40] | dev: | though one of them (my desktop) i dont output to a logfile normally so it may have been that one. will keep a closer eye. thanks for the tip |
| [18:14:54] | juski: | uh? how the hell did I end up with no xdm installed? |
| [18:15:22] | speedsix: | dev, np |
| [18:15:26] | ** kormoc doesn't have xdm installed on a single box ** | |
| [18:15:26] | dev: | you uninstalled it spankypop? |
| [18:15:52] | juski: | can't remember uninstalling it |
| [18:16:11] | kormoc: | if you're talking bout gentoo, it doesn't get installed by default |
| [18:16:22] | dev: | thank god |
| [18:16:23] | dev: | ;) |
| [18:16:29] | juski: | jees I can compile stuff, mangle themes & do all kinds of allegedly clever things, but this window manager stuff is confusing me |
| [18:16:37] | dev: | if i want graphixweewee i'll start it myself kthnx :) |
| [18:16:46] | juski: | lol |
| [18:17:06] | dev: | (i hate xdm) :P |
| [18:17:17] | dev: | too many retard developers at my job want it on the linux boxes heh |
| [18:17:42] | dev: | so they can use xdmcp from their windows boxens |
| [18:17:48] | dev: | diediestabstabstab |
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| [18:33:54] | DogWater: | Howdy, does anyone know of a software package that will turn a Linux pc into a PVR and allow you to do other sorts of media functions easily like duplicating cds/dvds, viewing digital photos, syncing mp3 players.. etc? |
| [18:34:35] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [18:34:49] | kormoc: | I assume you've read up on myth, due to showing up on the channel, yet you ask that... |
| [18:34:53] | ** kormoc blinks again. ** | |
| [18:35:10] | Zider: | DogWater: Ie heard of this neato project.. what was the name again.. oh yes, mythtv! |
| [18:35:14] | DogWater: | I read about myth in an anandtech review of linux PVR systems |
| [18:35:30] | DogWater: | it wasnt indepth about the scope of its capabilities |
| [18:35:39] | DogWater: | cd/dvd duplication, mp3 player sync.. etc |
| [18:35:40] | gardengnome: | well, mythtv can't really duplicate DVDs/CDs |
| [18:35:47] | gardengnome: | i think. |
| [18:35:50] | kormoc: | nor mp3 syncing |
| [18:36:01] | dev: | and if you cant read docs like on mythtv.org |
| [18:36:03] | dev: | it doesnt exist |
| [18:36:05] | kormoc: | but what it can do is all covered on the offical website |
| [18:36:06] | dev: | and niether do we |
| [18:36:23] | ** dev vanishes ** | |
| [18:36:23] | DogWater: | i'm trying to spec out a media center pc and im wondering if i should just spend the extra $100 on windows mce |
| [18:36:56] | kormoc: | DogWater, given you said easy and you don't really sound like one who likes playing with things for months before it works right, likely might be the best idea for you |
| [18:37:38] | gardengnome: | kormoc: mp3 syncing... maniacxs has posted a script in trac that lets you do something like that, but only from mythmusic to your portable player. |
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| [18:37:48] | kormoc: | ooh, nifty |
| [18:38:09] | DogWater: | basically I just want it to be fairly simple to use for the family, I could sit there in the cli and duplicate a cd/dvd |
| [18:38:28] | DogWater: | but if someone has already developed something that works i figured i'd use that |
| [18:39:08] | juski: | if you want a media center pc, buy windows MCE – that's the only media center |
| [18:39:09] | gardengnome: | kormoc: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/759 |
| [18:40:05] | DogWater: | actually my xbox has a pretty sweet media center on it but it obviously cant do tv or write |
| [18:40:15] | juski: | DogWater: has it escaped your attention that duplicating recorded media is actually illegal? |
| [18:40:48] | Aid`: | hey |
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| [18:40:54] | DogWater: | duplicating copywritten media which you dont own for the purpose of distribution or sales is illegal |
| [18:41:04] | DogWater: | if you want to speak legalese |
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| [18:42:19] | kormoc: | juski, I have files backed up on dvds, I could always dupe them! |
| [18:42:36] | juski: | oops I forgot the 'copyrighted' bit |
| [18:42:44] | juski: | anyway I'm on my high horse now |
| [18:43:13] | kormoc: | better hope your horse doesn't break his leg! |
| [18:43:15] | juski: | bastard twm is masked now |
| [18:43:46] | fysatv: | I'm having a problem starting mythbackend on boot with a remote mysql server. I think mythbackend is only trying to connect to localhost on boot — but if I start mythbackend after I'm logged in, it works fine. I have /usr/local/share/mythtv/mysql.txt set but this didn't seem to do the trick. |
| [18:44:03] | juski: | lwm was erm... useless (borders on windows) :-/ |
| [18:44:03] | DogWater: | anyway i wasnt trying to piss anyone off its just I went out and got the parts I wanted to use and now im thinking about the best way to put it all together, I may end up just creating my own minilinux distro based off of tinygentoo |
| [18:44:25] | DogWater: | and build a little menu in X that lets you do everything you want to do |
| [18:44:35] | DogWater: | err I want to do i should say, noone else seems interested |
| [18:44:36] | kormoc: | juski, for a mythbox, that's perfect... |
| [18:44:56] | juski: | kormoc: well it's either a problem with me or the documentation. |
| [18:44:59] | kormoc: | DogWater, or you could write mythplugins for the stuff you want to do |
| [18:45:14] | gardengnome: | fysatv: i suppose it's related to environment variables. it's likely that it's not looking for mysql.txt in the right path |
| [18:45:15] | kormoc: | DogWater, myth has a plugin arch for just this sort of reason |
| [18:45:24] | DogWater: | is myth a distribution; it just boots up into a media center or is it just something that runs on top of gnome/kde? |
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| [18:45:28] | DogWater: | I'll go read about it in a sec |
| [18:45:38] | kormoc: | DogWater, it's a program that runs on top of X, aye |
| [18:45:38] | juski: | DogWater: knoppmyth is a distro |
| [18:46:07] | marmoset: | DogWater: myth is a program that can run on pretty much any modern linux distribution, there are a few distributions that aim to be a plug and play mythtv install |
| [18:47:12] | DogWater: | I suppose there is some very specific hardware support eh/ |
| [18:47:25] | juski: | only stuff that works in Linux you mean |
| [18:47:42] | juski: | so that rules out new nvidia & ati 'theater' cards |
| [18:47:58] | DogWater: | yikes I was looking at the dual nvidia card and the ati 660 lol |
| [18:48:03] | juski: | otherwise the list of supported hardware is pretty extensive |
| [18:48:06] | kormoc: | you should look at the pvr 500 |
| [18:48:20] | kormoc: | it's a tual tuner, full hardware encoding, linux friendly card |
| [18:48:25] | kormoc: | *dual |
| [18:48:41] | juski: | for video capture, avoid dual-purpose cards like the plague (combined VGA / Tuner devices) |
| [18:48:59] | DogWater: | this is going to sound like a stupid question :D does the image outputting with media center (or HTPC) type applications look as funky as say, gaming output from a video card to a tv? |
| [18:49:23] | kormoc: | DogWater, depends on the output device, but not nearly as bad usually |
| [18:49:30] | DogWater: | i tried to play WoW on my 36" hdtv and it was about the most painful thing i've ever experienced |
| [18:49:37] | DogWater: | physically painful |
| [18:49:39] | DogWater: | my eyes bled |
| [18:49:47] | kormoc: | how did you hook it up? |
| [18:49:54] | DogWater: | svideo from my 6800GT |
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| [18:50:11] | fysatv: | yes, do try the PVR-500. I just installed one yesterday in 30 minutes after trying to get an ATI HDTV Wonder and Fusion5 working for weeks. |
| [18:50:12] | dev: | well... anything but hd on an hdtv looks like shit |
| [18:50:21] | kormoc: | DogWater, ooh, you were limited to very low res then |
| [18:50:40] | kormoc: | DogWater, if you did dvi or component out, you could have gotten a actual useful HD res on the tv |
| [18:50:40] | fysatv: | and the tuner on the PVR-500 is miles ahead of the analog crap on those other cards. |
| [18:50:53] | dev: | kormoc: does that help with say, sdtv on an hdtv? |
| [18:51:01] | dev: | sdtv normally looks like such poop on an hdtv |
| [18:51:12] | DogWater: | kormoc: ah, where do you get component out? |
| [18:51:17] | DogWater: | my sony doesnt have dvi |
| [18:51:19] | kormoc: | dev, it can, aye, cause the computer can resize it rather then the tv, and the computer tends to resize better |
| [18:51:19] | DogWater: | its a crt |
| [18:51:32] | dev: | ah, makes sense yeah |
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| [18:51:33] | kormoc: | DogWater, ahh, some videocards support component out, like my 6200 |
| [18:51:33] | fysatv: | I can use video filters with XvMC, right? |
| [18:51:44] | DogWater: | all the cards i've seen have been svideo/composite |
| [18:52:16] | kormoc: | DogWater, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814127203 |
| [18:52:17] | DogWater: | do you need a dongle for component? |
| [18:52:25] | kormoc: | yes |
| [18:52:32] | DogWater: | i think mine does too because it has this little port that i cant figure out what its for |
| [18:52:43] | DogWater: | but eVGA stopped selling the dongle like 5 minutes after the card hit the market |
| [18:52:52] | kormoc: | usually they come with dongles |
| [18:53:13] | kormoc: | (Also, side note, I really dislike eVGA, worst quality cards I've ever seen, but this was the geforce 4 cards) |
| [18:53:56] | opello: | um, my 7800gt from evga was bad, as was a friend's that bought a slightly different model 7800gt a few months later |
| [18:54:06] | opello: | still pretty crappy as far as i'm concerned :) |
| [18:54:24] | DogWater: | i hate evga, actually I hate all video card manufacturers |
| [18:54:25] | gardengnome: | fysatv: wrt video filters: i don't think so |
| [18:54:33] | DogWater: | a long time ago i bought this 6800 for $500 |
| [18:54:43] | DogWater: | and i was like hehehehe when they drop in price i'll SLI them |
| [18:54:47] | DogWater: | and then they just stopped making them |
| [18:54:53] | kormoc: | they're still out there |
| [18:55:25] | kormoc: | DogWater, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814150130 |
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| [18:55:58] | DogWater: | pretty sure to SLI them they have to be identical cards |
| [18:56:03] | kormoc: | not true |
| [18:56:36] | kormoc: | DogWater, http://www.slizone.com/object/slizone2_rel80.html |
| [18:56:49] | kormoc: | DogWater, read under the New Flexibility |
| [18:56:59] | speedsix: | xris, you about? |
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| [18:58:53] | DogWater: | baffles me that microsoft didnt put a tv tuner in the 360 |
| [18:58:56] | DogWater: | asshats |
| [18:59:21] | gardengnome: | might have been too expensive to implement a DRM scheme for that |
| [18:59:35] | speedsix: | bump the price up too much |
| [18:59:51] | DogWater: | they're already using a badass ati card how much more could it have cost to tag a coax port on it |
| [18:59:59] | speedsix: | the 360 is supposed to be a frontend to MCE really |
| [19:00:13] | kormoc: | it's likely more |
| [19:00:25] | DogWater: | yeah thats another reason I lean towards mce but at the same time im a tinkerer |
| [19:00:27] | kormoc: | how do they handle recording tv and playing games at the same time |
| [19:00:58] | speedsix: | I have a 360 but still prefer myth. MCE sucks imo |
| [19:01:26] | DogWater: | well hopefully if someone hacks the 360 they'll figure out how to make those USB tuners work with it lol |
| [19:01:47] | speedsix: | hard disk is a bit diddly for recording though |
| [19:04:00] | dev: | hrm. jogibear is down and i cant get the 0.19 patch for mythstreamtv |
| [19:04:02] | dev: | dangit |
| [19:04:20] | dev: | wiki needs an alt link other than his dyndns cablemodel/dsl :P |
| [19:06:32] | speedsix: | Have a friend that wants streaming via mythweb, does mythstreamtv work on 0.18? |
| [19:06:39] | kormoc: | dev, so put it up on a webserver and link away! |
| [19:06:42] | dev: | .18 yeah |
| [19:06:56] | dev: | .19 you need a patch, but the site with the patch is b00m |
| [19:06:58] | DogWater: | speedsix: its detachable |
| [19:06:59] | dev: | kormoc: hehe |
| [19:07:04] | speedsix: | dev, from the mythstreamtv website? |
| [19:07:09] | dev: | from the wiki |
| [19:07:10] | speedsix: | DogWater, detachable? |
| [19:07:17] | Aid`: | is anyone here not using lvm? |
| [19:07:23] | speedsix: | i'm not |
| [19:07:31] | DogWater: | speedsix: the hd, the 10GB hd from the original xbox was kind of small too thats why mine has a 180GB in it now :D |
| [19:07:51] | kormoc: | Aid`, you might want to ask, Is anyone here combining two drives into one and not using LVM? |
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| [19:08:17] | dev: | i can see why dagmar was tripping out last night |
| [19:08:20] | kormoc: | DogWater, sure, but if MS put a tuner in there, they'd have to upgrade every box |
| [19:08:25] | erinspice: | real quick, what's the command to update the db? |
| [19:08:37] | speedsix: | mythfilldatabase? |
| [19:08:38] | dev: | mythfilldatabase |
| [19:08:42] | kormoc: | mythtv-setup? |
| [19:08:42] | erinspice: | thanks! |
| [19:08:50] | dev: | myth somethingf! |
| [19:08:56] | erinspice: | mythfilldatabase was it. |
| [19:08:59] | erinspice: | thanks. |
| [19:09:00] | kormoc: | they all do it |
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| [19:09:30] | juski: | ctwm emerging |
| [19:10:02] | DogWater: | kormoc: thats not really true, all of the games have the ability to use the hard drive but many XBOX 360s dont even have hard drives so if it had a tuner and you didnt want to use it you wouldnt have to have a huge hd |
| [19:10:12] | DogWater: | i was just sayin it would've been nice to have the option |
| [19:10:20] | DogWater: | to save space/time/money/energy |
| [19:10:31] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [19:10:50] | juski: | anyway, there's still an underlying problem with the Xbox |
| [19:10:53] | kormoc: | I still think it would have been a loss, cause if they gave a tuner and no hard drive, people would be up in arms over that |
| [19:11:05] | Aid`: | Is anyone here combining two drives into one and not using LVM? |
| [19:11:13] | speedsix: | dumbest idea ever having a removable, optional hard drive |
| [19:11:14] | DogWater: | Aid`: you mean raid 0? |
| [19:11:23] | Aid`: | possibly |
| [19:11:24] | DogWater: | alot of people didnt want to pay $400 for the 360 |
| [19:11:33] | DogWater: | so they paid 300 |
| [19:11:35] | kormoc: | Aid`, can't do raid, you'll need to reformat that as well |
| [19:11:54] | Aid`: | well maybe my hd is done with LVM what is quick check? |
| [19:11:54] | speedsix: | and bought a memory card |
| [19:12:03] | dev: | df? |
| [19:12:03] | dev: | ;p |
| [19:12:12] | Aid`: | what should it say? |
| [19:12:14] | DogWater: | type lvm and then lvscan |
| [19:12:23] | kormoc: | and RAID doesn't really like different sized drives, you'd use JBOD which at that point is the same of LVM |
| [19:12:26] | Aid`: | nope done |
| [19:12:38] | Aid`: | nope none* |
| [19:13:00] | DogWater: | except the fact that lvm is born from the deepest pits of hell |
| [19:13:38] | kormoc: | LVM is rather nifty |
| [19:13:48] | Aid`: | is there anyway to make the space i am using now 1 partition and the unused space (part of my big partition) lvm? |
| [19:13:52] | DogWater: | until it breaks :D |
| [19:13:55] | kormoc: | LVM2 is quite a bit better |
| [19:14:05] | kormoc: | DogWater, nah, mine's broken a few times, always fixable |
| [19:14:12] | kormoc: | Aid`, you can try partd or partition magic |
| [19:14:21] | kormoc: | but dataloss is a possability |
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| [19:14:41] | DogWater: | you got lucky we have around 1100 dedicated servers at our datacenter about 30–40 of them were accidentially default installed with lvm and its a nightmare every time there is an issue |
| [19:14:58] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [19:15:25] | Aid`: | DogWater: do you use lvm? |
| [19:15:28] | DogWater: | so how are those new integrated motherboard video cards for gaming performance? all crappy? |
| [19:15:31] | kormoc: | Usually it's just as simple as rebuilding the lvm sig on the partitions and data recovery is able to go on. |
| [19:15:34] | defaultro: | kormoc, dogwater, i like your topic |
| [19:15:35] | DogWater: | the ati/nvidia/intel |
| [19:15:49] | kormoc: | defaultro, hrm? |
| [19:15:53] | defaultro: | lvm |
| [19:16:06] | kormoc: | DogWater, intel is always crappy gameing performance, they are ment to be workstations |
| [19:16:11] | defaultro: | i don't know if it's a good idea to setup a dedicated box just for storage |
| [19:16:16] | kormoc: | DogWater, intel intigrated gfx that is |
| [19:16:33] | kormoc: | sanform for the win! |
| [19:16:34] | DogWater: | this laptop im using has integrated intel and it runs wow ok |
| [19:16:35] | defaultro: | but i don't know what type of communication will be used to connect the mythbacked to the storage box |
| [19:16:57] | defaultro: | dunno if NFS is good |
| [19:17:02] | defaultro: | or reliable |
| [19:17:02] | kormoc: | DogWater, sure, but not as good as newer real cards |
| [19:17:18] | kormoc: | defaultro, NFS is quite good and reliable, just been in used worldwide for 15 years or so |
| [19:17:19] | DogWater: | sure but it was a 600$ dell |
| [19:17:20] | Beirdo: | yay |
| [19:17:25] | defaultro: | ok |
| [19:17:38] | DogWater: | some newer real cards cost $600 |
| [19:17:39] | DogWater: | lol |
| [19:17:47] | kormoc: | DogWater, still likely a 915/945 chipset which is the newest of the new intel gfx |
| [19:17:52] | defaultro: | i'm planning to rip all my DVDs so I can just play it without having to pop in dvds |
| [19:18:04] | Beirdo: | lying on the bed using wireless, this is more like it |
| [19:18:16] | kormoc: | Beirdo, heh, lucky! |
| [19:18:19] | DogWater: | the 200 disc sony changer has a better wow factor |
| [19:18:20] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [19:18:22] | DogWater: | lol |
| [19:18:25] | Beirdo: | blame my wife |
| [19:18:38] | Beirdo: | she's lying next to me using HER laptop with wireless :) |
| [19:18:39] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:18:43] | kormoc: | hehe, nice |
| [19:18:48] | defaultro: | kormoc, what should i consider building then if that's my goal? |
| [19:18:51] | DogWater: | we'd rather talk to her while she's laying in bed using wireless |
| [19:18:57] | DogWater: | honestly |
| [19:19:13] | Beirdo: | tough for you |
| [19:19:35] | kormoc: | defaultro, well, a computer, with lots of drives (likely want raid for data protection, raid 5 would be nice) and a nice speedy nic. |
| [19:19:36] | DogWater: | so none of those new nvidia ati chipsets have decent performance? |
| [19:19:46] | defaultro: | k |
| [19:19:46] | Beirdo: | doesn't compute |
| [19:19:52] | Beirdo: | nvidia ati chipset? |
| [19:19:57] | DogWater: | i missed a / |
| [19:19:58] | Beirdo: | they are competitors |
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| [19:20:06] | DogWater: | nvidia/ati |
| [19:20:10] | Beirdo: | all of the new nvidia should be good enough |
| [19:20:18] | kormoc: | Honestly, I don't think they do, given they tend to use shared system memory and all that jazz |
| [19:20:21] | DogWater: | I mean the chipsets that have onboard graphics |
| [19:20:59] | Beirdo: | oh, onboard crap |
| [19:21:00] | Beirdo: | never mind |
| [19:21:01] | kormoc: | so say you have a gig of system ram, but the video card is using 1/8th or 1/4th of it (128/256 megs) |
| [19:21:04] | defaultro: | have you guys implemented a whole house audio? if so, how did you do it? |
| [19:21:21] | Beirdo: | yeah, I walk around and make noise |
| [19:21:28] | defaultro: | LOL |
| [19:21:40] | Beirdo: | especially after eating beans |
| [19:21:50] | kormoc: | Poor poor wife |
| [19:21:54] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [19:22:34] | gardengnome: | welcome _THE_MAXX_ ;) |
| [19:22:50] | _THE_MAXX_: | hi, I have a small problem with my mythtv setup... |
| [19:23:17] | _THE_MAXX_: | there you are again! |
| [19:23:57] | _THE_MAXX_: | I have 2 pc's. one is the backend+frontend, pluged in to the tv |
| [19:24:17] | _THE_MAXX_: | the other is just a frontend (and also my regular PC) |
| [19:24:32] | _THE_MAXX_: | the system works pretty well but... |
| [19:25:34] | _THE_MAXX_: | when i program a recording on my regular PC, it records it but then i want to play it back on the other PC but it does not show up in the list of recordings. |
| [19:25:47] | _THE_MAXX_: | it only shows up on the regular PC. |
| [19:25:55] | _THE_MAXX_: | what gives? |
| [19:26:04] | juski: | recording groups? |
| [19:26:16] | _THE_MAXX_: | what is that? |
| [19:27:05] | _THE_MAXX_: | should i start the mythfrontend with the same username on both sides? |
| [19:27:38] | _THE_MAXX_: | currently one user is "mythtv" and the other is "marc" (that's me...) |
| [19:27:39] | juski: | wouldn't hurt |
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| [19:28:11] | _THE_MAXX_: | I would like to avoid it if possible tho |
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| [19:28:28] | speedsix: | gah dvdauthor is being a total pain in the arse |
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| [19:30:38] | juski: | weird |
| [19:31:24] | juski: | just installed ctwm, using clientborderwidth of 0... great.. but when mythvideo launches xine, a 'skeleton' window is offerred up for me to position with the mouse :-/ |
| [19:31:59] | gardengnome: | jwm? ;) |
| [19:33:47] | jams: | xswm |
| [19:33:59] | juski: | stop it! I'm already messed up ;-) |
| [19:34:22] | gardengnome: | ;) |
| [19:34:25] | gardengnome: | we knew that ;) |
| [19:37:47] | juski: | so far... lwm is a bordered piece of junk... fluxbox just looks to complicated & unnecessary. xdm.. masked beyond redemption. ctwm... erm.. get xine to start maximised by default would be nice... |
| [19:38:34] | jams: | xswm |
| [19:38:47] | kormoc: | juski, evilwm is what cardoe uses, but like, what's the real issue with LWM? |
| [19:38:56] | jams: | been down that road and that is about the only manager that was fit the bill |
| [19:40:39] | juski: | kormoc: the issue with lwm is the border around mythfrontend |
| [19:42:28] | kormoc: | ooh? I don't get a border around mythfrontend |
| [19:43:40] | juski: | aha! |
| [19:43:44] | juski: | lwm border 0 & |
| [19:43:56] | juski: | nah I can still see a border |
| [19:44:58] | jams: | juski, do you have "run the frontend in a window" checked ? |
| [19:45:09] | juski: | don't think so |
| [19:45:22] | jams: | that toggles border/noborder from within mythfrontend |
| [19:46:11] | juski: | nah it's not checked |
| [19:46:43] | DogWater: | are hdtvs ever going to be reasonably priced, jeez |
| [19:46:52] | DogWater: | the same TV i've been looking at for 18 months is the same price |
| [19:47:38] | DogWater: | damn you sony and your 55" 3lcd tv |
| [19:48:16] | juski: | "windows are surrounded by a frame..." |
| [19:48:30] | juski: | that's what the docs say :-/ so much for borderless |
| [19:50:24] | juski: | oh god. ratpoison doesn't work cos it can't find a 9x15 font |
| [19:51:23] | juski: | I think it's gonna have to be evilwm or bust |
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| [19:52:49] | speedsix: | why would a vga cable have writen on the packet 'for screens 17" or less'? |
| [19:53:14] | juski: | speedsix: because it's not erm... high enough bandwidth? |
| [19:53:17] | gardengnome: | because of suboptimal quality? |
| [19:53:47] | speedsix: | I have no idea, works fine on my 32" screen, sounds like nonsense to me |
| [19:54:23] | juski: | I imagine because high screensize implies higher resolutions.. and they have much faster signals which need very good quality cabling |
| [19:55:20] | juski: | sounds like you need to buy a Super-Duper-Oxygen-Free-Big-load-of-old-bollocks-MONSTER-VGA-connector |
| [19:56:36] | juski: | evilwm.. so far so good... |
| [19:57:09] | juski: | yay! |
| [19:58:23] | speedsix: | fecking vga cables in pc world were £20!!! |
| [19:59:11] | juski: | is that all? ;-) |
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| [20:03:29] | creatix: | hi, i am looking for a dvb-t card with good linux suppport. any suggestions? |
| [20:04:00] | creatix: | i wonna buy my first tv-card, so i am looking for linux support |
| [20:04:55] | kormoc: | linuxtv.org |
| [20:05:03] | kormoc: | they have a list of suported cards |
| [20:05:10] | juski: | oh crap. I need to find out how to give out hostnames with my dhcp server |
| [20:05:53] | kormoc: | juski, I don't get a window around full screen windows in lwm |
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| [20:06:24] | creatix: | i allready saw the list, its not quite informing, sry for my bad english, i'll try my best |
| [20:06:29] | juski: | kormoc: I do, and it sucks |
| [20:06:41] | Zider: | I don't even know how to set up named to resolve the local IP's.. :/ |
| [20:07:03] | jammyd: | creatix: The Nova-Ts are very good |
| [20:07:15] | creatix: | wich company? |
| [20:07:23] | jammyd: | Though there may be an issue with multple conexant versions in the same machine |
| [20:07:30] | jammyd: | Hauppague (sp?) |
| [20:07:44] | kormoc: | juski, strange... |
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| [20:08:27] | creatix: | i visited several homepages of the vendors. nobody wrote about official linux support except avermedia. |
| [20:08:48] | jammyd: | vendors are crap like that |
| [20:09:05] | jammyd: | but to be fair, if they're not the ones who have written the drivers, but someone has an issue, then they're liable for support |
| [20:09:08] | juski: | www.linuxtv.org |
| [20:09:13] | jammyd: | so I can see why they do it (though I'd rather they wrote the drivers) |
| [20:09:42] | juski: | Hauppauge are getting in on the linux driver act |
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| [20:11:34] | creatix: | wich company probably has the best support with linux drivers and wich is the worst company? can u give me an example. i thougt to buy a hauppage or terratec (germany ;) ) tv-card |
| [20:12:15] | juski: | Hauppauge have good support |
| [20:12:40] | bluey-: | i'm happy with my hauppauge card |
| [20:12:58] | juski: | avoid those USB DVB sticks |
| [20:13:19] | juski: | you never know what you're gonna get with them babies |
| [20:14:03] | creatix: | yes, i know. i don't like usb-hardware too. pci is my favorit |
| [20:14:37] | kormoc: | creatix, that list of card on linuxtv.org has that info... |
| [20:15:57] | creatix: | what is VDR in this table? is it Video Disk Recorder? |
| [20:17:21] | juski: | Venereal Disease Respector |
| [20:18:04] | creatix: | =:[ |
| [20:19:17] | juski: | nah VDR is okay if you like that kind of thing |
| [20:19:37] | juski: | it's mythtv's only 'competition' |
| [20:22:21] | creatix: | well i personally know mythtv/vdr just from screenshots ;) |
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| [20:23:01] | juski: | I personally only know vdr from my abortive attempts to install it |
| [20:23:24] | psofa: | juski, you can install myth but not vdr? :P |
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| [20:33:17] | Esotericisms: | is there no way to schedule a show to start recording on a specific date and all subsequent shows after that? |
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| [20:33:51] | creatix: | jammyd: i looked for hauppage nova-t, i think this card is exactly what i need, but is there a difference between the model-numbers: 909/928/... ? do they all work with linux, the nova-t series? |
| [20:34:52] | scales: | i was told before that my lircrc file goes in ~/.mythtv/lircrc iirc |
| [20:35:02] | scales: | i was wondering what iirc was |
| [20:35:10] | juski: | no the file goes in ~/.mythtv |
| [20:35:11] | kormoc: | If I Recall Correctly |
| [20:35:26] | jammyd: | creatix: There are 3 versions, they all work with Linux. The 3rd (Conexant) one *might* have issues if you have more than 1 in the same machine |
| [20:35:49] | scales: | kormoc: yeah that is where i thought but before you had typed that extra iirc |
| [20:36:00] | scales: | i copied directly from a chat log |
| [20:36:10] | kormoc: | juski, aye, but it shouldn't be called .mythtv/.lircrc, no . on the second time |
| [20:36:13] | scales: | but it does go in the .mythtv |
| [20:36:17] | kormoc: | aye |
| [20:36:42] | scales: | ok so ~/.mythtv/lircrc |
| [20:36:50] | kormoc: | aye |
| [20:36:54] | kormoc: | that's where mine is at least |
| [20:37:05] | scales: | ok i have that, and i also have /etc/lircd.conf |
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| [20:37:31] | creatix: | atm, i only need 1 tv-card ;), i think i will buy this card. thank you! |
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| [20:37:52] | scales: | and as root i run /sbin/service lircd start |
| [20:37:59] | scales: | which starts |
| [20:38:03] | kormoc: | scales, now you'll want to run mythfrontend -v all and see what it spits out |
| [20:38:05] | scales: | i try irw |
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| [20:38:36] | scales: | yeah i did hang on i will look for something with lirc? |
| [20:38:52] | kormoc: | aye |
| [20:41:50] | scales: | ok i get a failed to read lirc config /home/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc:7 where my user's name is mythtv |
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| [20:42:33] | scales: | there are also a few other parts where it says /home/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc:6 ignored |
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| [20:42:54] | scales: | or /home/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc:5 ignored |
| [20:43:05] | scales: | something about bad file format |
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| [20:45:05] | Juski: | fuck. logged into the wrong machine & killed X |
| [20:45:36] | jammyd: | Juski: Are you in Manchester? |
| [20:46:32] | Juski: | for all the sins I did in a previous life, yeah |
| [20:46:42] | jammyd: | heh :) |
| [20:46:49] | ** jammyd spotted the 'salf1' in your hostname ** | |
| [20:47:02] | scales: | the first message with lirc in it says " MsqlQuery: Select data FROM settings WHERE value='Lirc KeyPressedApp' AND hostname='viki': my computer's hostname is viki |
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| [20:49:41] | scales: | so.... |
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| [20:50:49] | Juski: | damn stoopid gentoo user (me) |
| [20:51:18] | Juski: | I'm gonna whack gnome out one of these days. should never have picked it 18 months ago |
| [20:51:53] | speedsix: | I like gnome |
| [20:52:28] | Juski: | it's ok apart from the saving sessions crap it does |
| [20:52:49] | speedsix: | yeah that is total crap, agreed |
| [20:53:38] | Juski: | another s100 rebootski |
| [20:55:58] | Juski: | hrm. I put 'startx' in /etc/conf.d/local.start – and great, x starts but it's not reading .xinitrc |
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| [20:56:34] | speedsix: | is it reading a global file instead? |
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| [20:56:44] | gardengnome: | try to set $HOME. or just use su – to initalize a proper environment. |
| [20:57:31] | Juski: | tried that... got startx in a file called 'launch'... |
| [20:57:32] | scales: | kormoc: still there? |
| [20:57:48] | Juski: | and in the local.start file I tried su – mythtv launch |
| [20:58:26] | kormoc: | try sudo |
| [20:58:50] | kormoc: | Juski, or |
| [20:59:00] | kormoc: | su – mythtv -c launch |
| [20:59:06] | Juski: | ahh |
| [20:59:37] | Juski: | I missed the -c bit |
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| [21:04:54] | Juski: | nah that's not working either |
| [21:05:20] | scopeuk: | su – mythtv? |
| [21:05:25] | scopeuk: | su -u mythtv? |
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| [21:05:42] | scopeuk: | and sudo is sudo not su |
| [21:05:51] | gardengnome: | su -u? yo umust have a different man page ;) |
| [21:06:04] | GreyFoxx: | What are you trying to do? |
| [21:06:09] | scopeuk: | or a crap memory |
| [21:06:13] | scopeuk: | i know which im opting for |
| [21:06:17] | GreyFoxx: | Just launch X from an init script as the mythtv user ? |
| [21:06:35] | gardengnome: | 100mbit/s is slow *yawns* i'm copying some of my mythtv recordings around |
| [21:06:56] | scopeuk: | gardengnome ive been there wit h2 hour rtjpegs |
| [21:07:05] | Juski: | su – mythtv startx didn't work |
| [21:07:09] | GreyFoxx: | su – mythtv -c "bash -l startx — -dpi 100" & |
| [21:07:15] | GreyFoxx: | try that :) |
| [21:07:19] | Juski: | ahhh |
| [21:08:12] | gardengnome: | scopeuk: ouch ;). well, i need to copy like 40gb |
| [21:08:37] | Juski: | rebooting again |
| [21:08:54] | Juski: | calling it a night after this. I think I'm getting a cold or something |
| [21:08:54] | gardengnome: | over samba. because i was too lazy to nfsmount it and i can't find out how the darn nfs kioslave is supposed to workj |
| [21:09:03] | scopeuk: | juski why not init 2 then init level your screwign with |
| [21:09:07] | GreyFoxx: | Juski: That line is at the end of my rc.pvr script and works on all of my machines |
| [21:09:14] | scopeuk: | gardengnome samba here too |
| [21:10:21] | Juski: | what?! that didn't work either! |
| [21:10:33] | GreyFoxx: | What is/isn't happenning ? |
| [21:10:41] | Juski: | X isn't starting, for one |
| [21:11:08] | GreyFoxx: | hmmmm, maybe the mythtv user needs to have startx in it's path? .bash_profile or something ? |
| [21:11:25] | scopeuk: | or /bin/startx (or is it sbin) |
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| [21:13:30] | Juski: | this is weird. I cant log in as mythtv over ssh now |
| [21:13:44] | gardengnome: | /usr/bin/X11/startx – on debian sarge |
| [21:13:45] | dev: | poor juski |
| [21:14:22] | scopeuk: | excuse my stupidity and nievity but i thought su was for interactive and sudo was for scripts? |
| [21:14:33] | dev: | su can be used for scripts |
| [21:14:38] | GreyFoxx: | scopeuk: su is just as capable |
| [21:14:40] | dev: | its how we did it in the 'old days' |
| [21:14:51] | dev: | so some of us are set in that way |
| [21:15:11] | scopeuk: | havign atemptedscripting with su i couldent get the damn thing to work |
| [21:15:18] | gardengnome: | i don't like the syntax of /etc/sudoers that's why i prefer su -c, too ;) |
| [21:15:20] | scopeuk: | so i used sudo and all was clean |
| [21:15:56] | Juski: | dammit this all used to work |
| [21:16:06] | scopeuk: | i quite liek sudoers although im a bit of a brute and basical made my account root with it |
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| [21:20:38] | Juski: | fuck this, I'm going to bed |
| [21:20:41] | Juski: | night all |
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| [21:52:36] | scales: | I will try again i am a newb and trying to install lirc to use with mythtv. i have put my lircrc file in ~/.mythtv, (~/.mythtv/lircrc), and lircd.conf in etc, (/etc/lircd.conf). i then start lirc, (/sbin/service/lircd start), and i start the front end (-v), the remote doesnt work, so i exit and check for any lirc comments in the log. i get the following |
| [21:52:37] | scales: | |
| [21:52:37] | scales: | MsqlQuery: Select data FROM settings WHERE value='Lirc KeyPressedApp' AND hostname=(my computers hostname) |
| [21:52:37] | scales: | |
| [21:52:39] | scales: | |
| [21:52:41] | scales: | bad file format failed to read lirc config /home/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc:7 |
| [21:52:43] | scales: | |
| [21:52:45] | scales: | when i run irw i do get signals from the remote. |
| [21:52:47] | scales: | so i am stumped, please respond with the full commands or directions since i am a newb. any ideas? |
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| [21:53:46] | gardengnome: | where did you get your lircrc? |
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| [21:54:31] | scales: | well, i think i tried a few things. i did a yum install |
| [21:54:40] | scales: | ioh |
| [21:54:43] | scales: | sorry |
| [21:55:16] | scales: | i downloaded one from online and configured it, i thought i did it right but let me see |
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| [21:55:38] | scales: | what would the number mean , it said 5, 6, 7... |
| [21:56:46] | gardengnome: | mind putting a sample online at pastebin.ca? |
| [21:59:04] | scales: | sample of my lircrc? |
| [21:59:27] | scales: | no prob. anything to get this remote working, i have spent too many hours on it |
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| [22:02:32] | scales: | here it is |
| [22:02:33] | scales: | http://pastebin.ca/66013 |
| [22:03:49] | gardengnome: | humm, looks good – but i'm not an expert so i'm likely missing something |
| [22:04:01] | scales: | i see |
| [22:04:40] | scales: | hummm |
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| [22:05:40] | scales: | what about my lircd.conf file |
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| [22:16:48] | scales: | ok so anyone else able to help me with my lircrc file |
| [22:17:15] | bilbravo: | hi all |
| [22:17:57] | D-side: | i utterly forgot i joined this channel. |
| [22:18:02] | creatix: | what dvb-t card is better? "terratec cinergy 1200 dvb-t" or "hauppauge nova-t" ? |
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| [22:20:29] | creatix: | or why is there a price difference of 20 euro? (nova-t = 40 euro, 1200 = 60 euro) nova-t has a remote control to! |
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| [22:22:20] | corpix: | hi |
| [22:22:51] | corpix: | short question does watching/recording from mutlitple channels on the _same_ transponder work already ? |
| [22:23:19] | D-side: | uh. what? |
| [22:23:24] | D-side: | like, single tuner card only? |
| [22:23:31] | corpix: | yes |
| [22:23:36] | GreyFoxx: | corpix: No itdoesn't |
| [22:23:42] | corpix: | ok |
| [22:23:47] | GreyFoxx: | I've seen people talk about it but I don't remember seeing any code around it |
| [22:23:49] | corpix: | GreyFoxx: when its done i guess ? |
| [22:23:53] | D-side: | i'm going to ask people here to correct me if i'm wrong, but thats just not the way things work |
| [22:23:58] | D-side: | GreyFoxx: no kidding? |
| [22:24:05] | GreyFoxx: | D-side: IT does in the DVB world :) |
| [22:24:12] | corpix: | D-side: vdr can |
| [22:24:17] | D-side: | ah, something i'm utterly ignorant of. :) |
| [22:24:48] | GreyFoxx: | D-side: Inm DVB a "channel" is just a small portion of a "transport stream" which you tune to. apps just filter out the data for the channels they are not watching |
| [22:25:04] | GreyFoxx: | so it's possible to record multiple channels at once |
| [22:25:13] | GreyFoxx: | if they are in the same transport |
| [22:25:15] | kormoc: | corpix, vdr can with analog tuners or just dvb? |
| [22:25:29] | GreyFoxx: | It's dvb only |
| [22:25:33] | D-side: | GreyFoxx: now thats fascinating. |
| [22:25:41] | corpix: | kormoc: with both i think |
| [22:26:01] | kormoc: | heh, that's quite a feat |
| [22:26:10] | GreyFoxx: | D-side: Some transports can have like 20 channels at once going on. Your reciever is just filtering out the other 19 :) |
| [22:26:12] | kormoc: | GreyFoxx, yeah, I know that, I was just wondering what corpix was thinking. |
| [22:26:23] | kormoc: | corpix, got a link? |
| [22:26:30] | corpix: | not really |
| [22:26:47] | kormoc: | then were did you get the info that it can? |
| [22:27:03] | corpix: | i think with analog cable tv it works in vdr |
| [22:27:10] | GreyFoxx: | vdr can do it for dvb, but I've never heard of a single app that could do it with analog |
| [22:27:18] | corpix: | but i dont use analog, so i dont care |
| [22:27:19] | D-side: | indeed. |
| [22:27:21] | kormoc: | corpix, okay, so where did you get the idea that it could? |
| [22:27:24] | D-side: | let me know when it works with analog tuners. :D |
| [22:27:25] | GreyFoxx: | an analog tuner tunes a single frequency at once |
| [22:27:34] | kormoc: | corpix, well, I use analog, so I'm intested in if it works or not... |
| [22:27:49] | corpix: | for dvb it works , just tested it |
| [22:28:33] | kormoc: | corpix, sure, but you said you think it works for analog, I would like more info on that |
| [22:29:04] | kormoc: | We all know it works for dvb, the analog is a great leap forward in the tech, and one I would love to have |
| [22:29:11] | corpix: | kormoc: GreyFoxx seems to have pointed out it's impossible for analog tuners |
| [22:29:36] | kormoc: | corpix, sure, but you said otherwise, and thus, I'm asking you for more info |
| [22:31:44] | corpix: | kormoc: dunno, dumped analog some time ago |
| [22:32:03] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [22:32:30] | kormoc: | that's too bad |
| [22:32:34] | kormoc: | got everyone's hopes up |
| [22:32:46] | corpix: | my ol 'cable antenna tape vdr did it, so i thought its not question if it works/is possible |
| [22:32:47] | corpix: | sorryx |
| [22:33:22] | kormoc: | so your cable antenna tape vdr could record multiple channels off of an analog tuner? |
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| [22:34:25] | GreyFoxx: | I think he meant vcr thattime :) |
| [22:34:30] | kormoc: | heh |
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| [22:45:41] | achew22: | kormoc: are you around? |
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| [23:20:21] | scales: | anyone setup lirc and could give me a hand? |
| [23:20:32] | scales: | i am done, but having issues |
| [23:20:46] | achew22: | what kind of issues? |
| [23:20:51] | scales: | well |
| [23:21:09] | scales: | i am a newb and trying to install lirc to use with mythtv. i have put my lircrc file in ~/.mythtv, (~/.mythtv/lircrc), and lircd.conf in etc, (/etc/lircd.conf). i then start lirc, (/sbin/service/lircd start), and i start the front end (-v), the remote doesnt work, so i exit and check for any lirc comments in the log. i get the following |
| [23:21:09] | scales: | |
| [23:21:09] | scales: | MsqlQuery: Select data FROM settings WHERE value='Lirc KeyPressedApp' AND hostname=(my computers hostname) |
| [23:21:09] | scales: | |
| [23:21:11] | scales: | |
| [23:21:13] | scales: | bad file format failed to read lirc config /home/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc:7 |
| [23:21:15] | scales: | |
| [23:21:17] | scales: | when i run irw i do get signals from the remote. |
| [23:21:19] | scales: | so i am stumped, please respond with the full commands or directions since i am a newb. any ideas? |
| [23:21:41] | achew22: | okay... go edit your lircrc file. there is an error on line 7 |
| [23:21:54] | scales: | line 7 |
| [23:21:58] | psofa: | <scales> bad file format failed to read lirc config /home/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc:7 |
| [23:21:59] | scales: | what about 6 or 5? |
| [23:22:06] | achew22: | lircrc: |
| [23:22:06] | achew22: | udev 241624 184 241440 1% /dev |
| [23:22:06] | achew22: | 7 |
| [23:22:09] | achew22: | oops |
| [23:22:16] | achew22: | lircrc: 7 |
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| [23:22:37] | scales: | line 7 is |
| [23:22:37] | psofa: | ah nm |
| [23:23:04] | scales: | prog = mythtv |
| [23:23:13] | achew22: | scales: do you know what pastebin is? |
| [23:23:17] | scales: | yes |
| [23:23:18] | psofa: | maybe its the next line |
| [23:23:21] | scales: | i just used one |
| [23:23:21] | psofa: | or the previous |
| [23:23:21] | achew22: | will you paste it in there |
| [23:23:24] | scales: | uh huh |
| [23:23:27] | scales: | it is already up |
| [23:23:31] | scales: | let me find you the link |
| [23:23:43] | achew22: | psofa: I would bet he counted the lines instead of using the line finder |
| [23:24:32] | scales: | yep score one for psofa |
| [23:24:35] | scales: | i am a newb |
| [23:24:36] | scales: | sorry |
| [23:25:02] | scales: | http://pastebin.ca/66013 |
| [23:25:33] | achew22: | psofa: would you take this — I'm having serious myth issues right now |
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| [23:33:51] | butterfly_: | how do I restart mythfrontend without rebooting my pvr please? |
| [23:34:09] | pantel: | I have a Super Digital Video Glaring series tv card which has a philips 713x chipset anyone know whether i will get that working in linux? |
| [23:34:19] | achew22: | okay — back |
| [23:34:28] | achew22: | butterfly_: what desktop environment |
| [23:34:37] | achew22: | pantel: is that v4l? |
| [23:34:44] | butterfly_: | knoppmyth default |
| [23:35:10] | pantel: | achew22: ? |
| [23:35:11] | achew22: | I think (not positive) if you push alt+f2 it should bring up a run command dialogue |
| [23:35:16] | achew22: | pantel: i'm looking |
| [23:35:23] | pantel: | thanks |
| [23:35:40] | butterfly_: | I don't exactly know what it's running, my husband is not home and I don't want to mess up his recording :) .. I am ssh'd into the pvr |
| [23:35:55] | achew22: | relaly? — butterfly_ your my hero |
| [23:36:03] | achew22: | way to be resourcefull |
| [23:36:24] | butterfly_: | well he's recording Andromeda, something we both watch together. So it's partly selfish reason too :) |
| [23:36:37] | achew22: | okay — I have to look up syntax |
| [23:36:47] | butterfly_: | I am just not familiar with mythtv other than using the setup he set up |
| [23:36:50] | butterfly_: | did that make sense? |
| [23:37:01] | butterfly_: | thank you, much appreciated. |
| [23:37:49] | achew22: | one sec I have to switch boxes |
| [23:38:33] | butterfly_: | I wish there was an way to do this from the mythweb. |
| [23:38:51] | achew22: | mythfrotnend -display :0 |
| [23:38:56] | achew22: | there you go |
| [23:38:57] | achew22: | that will do it |
| [23:39:04] | achew22: | if that doesn't work increment the number untill it does |
| [23:39:07] | achew22: | but it should work at 0 |
| [23:39:38] | butterfly_: | mythfrontend: cannot connect to X server :0 |
| [23:39:40] | butterfly_: | going to try 1 |
| [23:40:08] | butterfly_: | better idea, going to open up the Xorg.conf and see what the heck it's using for display |
| [23:40:36] | achew22: | butterfly_: will you marry me? |
| [23:40:46] | butterfly_: | LOL |
| [23:41:02] | butterfly_: | flattery, will get you far :) |
| [23:41:13] | achew22: | i know — thats why I get paid so much ;) |
| [23:41:15] | scales: | maybe i should ask her about my lirc problem |
| [23:41:24] | achew22: | she is my hero |
| [23:41:28] | butterfly_: | I am not a linux guru, little things I have picked up. Only been using it for 7 years now |
| [23:41:38] | achew22: | only 7 years! |
| [23:41:54] | scales: | ha kinda like an oxymoron |
| [23:42:00] | achew22: | um.... you just spanned my entire computer carear |
| [23:42:07] | butterfly_: | yeah, my husband put linux on all our machines and that's just the way I like it. |
| [23:42:16] | butterfly_: | going to check on supper. Talk to you folks in a bit. |
| [23:42:26] | achew22: | I refuse to beleive this is real |
| [23:42:32] | achew22: | thats too good to be true |
| [23:43:13] | opello: | maybe a `ps aux | grep X` to see |
| [23:43:31] | achew22: | opello will that give the display? I thought it just listed that it was running |
| [23:43:44] | opello: | achew22: mine shows "X :0 -nolisten tcp -br -deferglyphs 16" |
| [23:43:50] | opello: | but this is a gentoo box |
| [23:44:00] | achew22: | hey — mine does too |
| [23:44:04] | achew22: | crazy! good trick opello |
| [23:44:42] | pantel: | achew22: did u find it |
| [23:44:45] | opello: | make sure you're the mythtv user (.Xauthority) and DISPLAY=':0.0' mythfrontend should do it |
| [23:45:01] | opello: | achew22: :) |
| [23:45:10] | achew22: | i like smiley faces |
| [23:46:29] | achew22: | is there a setting to switch myth off of alsa to oss or something like that? |
| [23:47:12] | Zider: | why would you wanna use oss instead of alsa? |
| [23:47:35] | achew22: | I don't want to — I think its set to oss mode instead of alsa |
| [23:47:43] | achew22: | I'm getting sound in all my other programs but myth |
| [23:48:38] | opello: | then you need esd or arts |
| [23:49:24] | achew22: | opello is that for me? |
| [23:49:58] | opello: | well, that's probably not right, since you get sound in the other ones, nevermind :) |
| [23:51:15] | achew22: | is there a setting to switch to/from alsa? |
| [23:52:04] | Zider: | set ALSA:default instead of /dev/dsp |
| [23:53:01] | achew22: | can I do that from phpmyadmin? is that in the settings db? |
| [23:53:53] | Zider: | have no idea.. it's in mythtv-setup I believe |
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| [23:54:48] | achew22: | i'll just search the db |
| [23:55:11] | achew22: | Zider: is it "ALSA:default" |
| [23:55:41] | Zider: | and I sassume you have alsa set up properly |
| [23:56:15] | opello: | it's in the frontend setup |
| [23:56:19] | achew22: | I'm under the impression |
| [23:56:39] | achew22: | /dev/dsp is busy... thats no good |
| [23:57:30] | scales: | anyone get a chance or bother to look at my lircrc file |
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