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Monday, June 12th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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metalac:

hmmm so i got xine installed

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metalac:

but now it starts up

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metalac:

shows xine logo at begining

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metalac:

and then black screen

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groogs_:

is there a list somewhere of stuff that can go in .lircrc ?

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sphery:

groogs_: for Myth?

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sphery:

The keyboard map has it...

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groogs_:

keys.txt ?

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sphery:

Perhaps...

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sphery:

And http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-11.html#ss11.1

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sphery:

(I don't know how up-to-date keys.txt is...

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sphery:

hmmm.

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sphery:

Seems relatively up-to-date.

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sphery:

Either should work

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sphery:

Myth uses the key name for receiving commands.

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groogs_:

you know, it would be a lot nicer if mythcontrols integrated lirc support..

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sphery:

So, just put the name in as shown in the key maps...

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sphery:

Someone is working on that...

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sphery:

Got a (not-bad-for-a-first-start-but-needs-some-work) patch for the SVN head version.

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groogs_:

yeah, i went in there hoping it would just work ;) thats ok tho

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sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/207002#207002

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sphery:

For the mythcontrols/LIRC stuff

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groogs_:

where are the controls that mythcontrols modified stores anyways?

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groogs_:

er, stored.. the database?

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sphery:

In the database

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

keybindings table

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sphery:

But I highly recommend you don't edit it directly.

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sphery:

MythControls will check values for overlaps/errors.

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groogs_:

oh, that patch is a bit weird

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groogs_:

i mean, i'm looking at this from the perspective of someone with almost no experience with lirc...

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sphery:

Yeah. Thus the "not-bad-for-a-first-start-but-needs-some-work" ;)

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sphery:

Oh.

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groogs_:

but it would make more sense to me that it would just use the remote command..

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sphery:

I wouldn't recommend compiling it unless you're compiling your own, anyway.

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groogs_:

as opposed to using an lircrc file to convert the remote (lirc) "Ch+" or whatever key (as defined in lircd.conf) into "irUp" or something random just so myth can interpret it elsewhere

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sphery:

Yeah. That's the part that definitely needs changed.

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groogs_:

the whole lircrc file seems redundant..

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groogs_:

okay

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sphery:

No. The LIRC resource file is required.

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groogs_:

why?

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rtsai:

anyone running svn seeing 60% CPu by mythbackend when recording (OTA HD)? It used to only be about 20–30%

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sphery:

Without it, you're mapping (physical) button names to functionality.

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sphery:

If you change remotes, you have different buttons.

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groogs_:

to a point..

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groogs_:

those "physical button names" are just arbitrarly assigned in lircd.conf anyways

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sphery:

You should use logical button names so that Myth config is independent of LIRC config.

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sphery:

Yeah, but a lot of people just use the downloaded lircd.conf files.

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sphery:

rtsai: Sorry. I don't have my digital capture cards in, yet...

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sphery:

(Stupid travel... Never home to upgrade my box.)

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groogs_:

the only real justification i see for lircrc as a middle-man is that there is absolutely no standardization in lircd.conf files (ie, some remotes use Ch+, others use ChUp, ChannelUp Channel+ etc)

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sphery:

IMHO, using lircd.conf button names is like using keyboard scancodes instead of key names.

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sphery:

Anyway, I'm trying to figure out how best to change the patch.

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groogs_:

again, I have no experience with it (which may be a good thing in this case..) but the scancodes are more like the IR codes in lircd.conf..

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groogs_:

lircd.conf already does the translation

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sphery:

OK, bad example.

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sphery:

Anyway, probably once complete, MythControls will auto-generate a lircrc for those who haven't made one and use the button names from lircd.conf in .the lircrc.

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groogs_:

i sorta see what you're saying

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groogs_:

but i have a feeling it comes from just being used to the way lirc works... i dunno tho

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groogs_:

yeah, thats a good idea

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sphery:

However, /I/ will ensure I have a lircrc that uses Myth-appropriate button names as opposed to remote-appropriate button names in my config.

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groogs_:

as long as it's decently easy to assign the remote buttons to functionality, its better than the way it is now

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groogs_:

its hard to even find a sample lircrc file for myth that has anything beyond up/down/left/right/enter/exit/menu

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janneg:

groogs_: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . b2?rev=10186

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marmoset:

rtsai: I get large amounts of mythbackend cpu, it gets kinda broken after a while

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marmoset:

rtsai: is it all system cpu?

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rtsai:

marmoset: no, all user CPU (4% system)

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marmoset:

rtsai: ah, different than my problem then :)

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emja:

i've searched and found no definitive info re this. anyone got a leadtek/winfast 2000XP CoolCommand (or similar) remote working with myth?

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emja:

oops. TV2000 (the XP doesn't matter)

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groogs_:

do you guys use mplayer/xine over internal?

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GreyFoxx:

I've been using internal only for a year now for mythvideo

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quink_:

evening.

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groogs_:

i like that the UI looks the same, and theres not extra work to make button mapping the same

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quink_:

i was wondering if what i'm hoping for is possible. Can i have audio output to stereo for live tv, and surround sound via optical out for movies?

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_nero_:

quink_, you should be able to set up alsa to do everything (stereo --> ac3) through the optical out..

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quink_:

well right now i just use my headphone output to my tv, so i hear tv through my television speakers. i do have a receiver that is surround sound capable, but i'm not intersted in having it on during any other time except movies

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_nero_:

thats how I am set up.. tv outputs stereo via spdif (coax out), DVDs go AC3 via spdif..

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quink_:

how do you get hte spdif to the television?

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_nero_:

humm.. thats a bit more difficult..

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quink_:

my tv only takes rca inputs, if i'm using hte right name.

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_nero_:

I dont- it is all going through a receiver.

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quink_:

ah. see thats what i want to avoid

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_nero_:

I dont use the TV speakers..

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quink_:

i do :)

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_nero_:

What you could do is set up an analog output through ALSA- tell mythtv to use that analog..

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quink_:

ah.

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_nero_:

and that analog out would be your headphones (and accessed via ALSA:analog or whatever you want to call it).

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quink_:

well the built in sound in my computer doesn't have optical out, so i'm going to have to install my old sound blaster. I guess it'd be quite easy with two sound cards. use one during movies and the other during tv

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quink_:

right now though i'm trying to make the switch from an ati video card to nvidia

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groogs_:

quink_: why don't you want tv going through a receiver?

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_nero_:

then make a digital out that goes out your spdif. run that to your receiver, and have mplayer or xine, or whatever out to the digial (spdif) output.

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quink_:

groogs_, kind of a pain in the ass. receiver adds another remote control, more heat, and too friggin loud

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** _nero_ wishes mythmusic supported streams.. **

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quink_:

hopefully all this work i'm doing now won't be in vain

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quink_:

trying to get dvi to the tv

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groogs_:

ugh, mythfrontend now segfaults ..

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groogs_:

i just recompilied mythplugins to get mythmusic (it was missing libcdparanoia0-dev).. and now when mythfrontend starts, it says "registering mythdvd dvd notice handler as a notice handler" and then segfaults

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groogs_:

i've now recompilied a bunch of times.. without dvd, without music, etc.. same thing

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JoeWerxatHome:

hello I am trying to get my wireless card working, its dlink DWL-G510 I have followed isntructions on installing the drivers from the cd using ndiswrapper... I have no clue as to what to do next, I am new to linux could someone please help me?

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JoeWerxatHome:

I am using KNOPPMYTH distro

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Dagmar:

Try in #knoppix

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Dagmar:

ndiswrapper has nothing to do with MythTV

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JoeWerxatHome:

I know I am having problems with my capture card, but in order to get the log onto my windows machine to post in the forums I need to get the network card to work... Ill try knoppix

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groogs_:

great.. removed libcdparanoia0 .. i should be back to where i was.. still segfaults

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groogs_:

anyone know why I get a segfault on this? http://pastebin.ca/64655

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fysa:

Anyone capturing analog with an ATI HDTV Wonder?

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Beirdo:

are there even Linux drivers yet?

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jonn3:

I have a pinnacle pctv 40i, should i chose Analog V4L capture card, or Mjpeg capture card? and btw, what is the difference?

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groogs_:

oh, i figured out what the segfault was from..

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groogs_:

libexif 0.6.13 (debian 0.6.13–4 from testing)

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defaultro:

evening everyone

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defaultro:

mchou? you there? :)

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mchou:

maybe

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defaultro:

hey buddy, what's up?

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defaultro:

how are you?

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mchou:

same old same old

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defaultro:

cool

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defaultro:

i have a question and it's about video distribution

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defaultro:

do you have a minute?

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mchou:

defaultro: what going on in your neck of woods?

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defaultro:

been busy with new house construction

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quink:

any of you run mythtv on an hdtv via dvi?

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semee:

hi guys

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semee:

can anyone give me a hand... I have two problems... for some reason I can't hear audio in mythtv when watching tv but I can for mp3s, and for dvd's I'veimported

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quink:

well i guess i might have it setup. time to try it out.

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fysa:

I have analog capture working, Beirdo, but haven't gotten sound yet.

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fysa:

(CATV)

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semee:

I'm using an pcHDTV-3000 card and I've connected the audio out to the input audio of my sound card

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semee:

odd thing is that tvtime can play it fine

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marmoset:

semee: the hdtv stream has audio already

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semee:

marmoset: ?

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marmoset:

at least, I didn't do anything with audio out on my hdtv3000 card

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semee:

what do you mean

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semee:

how did you set it up in mythtvsetup?

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marmoset:

as a dvb card

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semee:

ok one sec

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semee:

hrm... I get an error "failed to get pginfo" when I try to watch tv

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marmoset:

it's somewhat complicated to get an hdtv card set up, but afaik you don't want to use the audio out jack on the card (didn't even realize there was one)

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semee:

you set it up as a dtv board

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semee:

what did you set for th edvb card number?

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marmoset:

0

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marmoset:

pretty sure anyway, been a couple weeks

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semee:

it says "Frontend ID: Could not open card #0! Subtype: No such file or directory

[04:00:05]

semee:

did you have to do something different to set it up that way?

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semee:

I mean for the drivers

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marmoset:

I'm using the cx88_dvb driver

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semee:

hrm... says that it isn't found

[04:01:32]

semee:

did you use a guide when you set up the drivers?

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marmoset:

I did in the past for setting up just the card to test, then I used knoppmyth and it handled it all for me

[04:02:11]

jake1932:

if i'm doing hdtv, is it better to go from scratch or start with knoppmyth?

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marmoset:

I don't remember what guides I used though

[04:02:35]

marmoset:

jake1932: I recommend knoppmyth, but that's just because I'm sick of messing with computers and want things to just work ;)

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jake1932:

marmoset: tnx

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quink:

is there a way you can do the equivalent of ctrl alt + via ssh to a mythtv system?

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marmoset:

not afaik

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semee:

do you have the hdtv 3000 or 2000

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marmoset:

oh hmm

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marmoset:

sec

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quink:

nope

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quink:

hm. i think its using 640x480 when i want it to use 1280x720.

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marmoset:

semee: 3000

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marmoset:

quink: check your x logs

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semee:

ok I'm compiling that now

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marmoset:

it should say what modes it found and used

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quink:

yeah it says 640x480 there.

[04:09:33]

marmoset:

quink: monitor or tv out?

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semee:

lets see what happens with the dvb drivers

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quink:

wlel its a sony 72" projection tv iwth a dvi port

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marmoset:

quink: ok, so dvi then, dunno. I just know that the tv-out on nvidia is picky about what modes it will let you run in

[04:10:15]

marmoset:

nice tv btw ;)

[04:10:32]

marmoset:

I have a 52" dlp, and had a bitch of a time getting it all set up

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quink:

i decided to make the jump with dvi

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marmoset:

ended up finally finding an nvidia card that had component out

[04:11:03]

quink:

had to disconnect the system for about a month. when i put it back for some reason the video had a 1" black border all around

[04:11:08]

quink:

so i figured just try dvi to the tv and see

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marmoset:

semee: gotta take off, but good luck

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marmoset:

ah nice

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quink:

quality is far far superior.

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semee:

thanks marmoset

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marmoset:

I'd check the x logs, there's probably stuff about why it wouldn't use the other modes

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quink:

yeah.

[04:12:19]

quink:

'hsync out of range' or 'vrefresh out of range'

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Dagmar:

quink: There's a setting to expand/shrink the TVOut now

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Dagmar:

It should be able to solve your "black border" problem

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quink:

Dagmar, didn't work. i' had that set perfectly

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quink:

but irght now i'm using dvi

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Dagmar:

How did you have it set perfectly *and* it didn't work?

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quink:

dunno.

[04:17:36]

quink:

but either way it was a good excuse to try dvi.

[04:17:42]

Dagmar:

Let me put it another way... one of the two things you stated is not true.

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quink:

probably had some setting or file updated i forgot about

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quink:

and when i rebooted it helped put it into effect.

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bryce:

is there any documentation for downgrading from 0.19 to 18.1? Or can it be downgraded with no issues?

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sphery:

bryce: The database downgrades would have to be done manually.

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sphery:

The best bet is to downgrade to a backup of the database.

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GreyFoxx:

nb wqsa

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bryce:

how about less best bets? I've been running on 0.19 for a while now....

[04:34:36]

sphery:

GreyFoxx: typing passwords into chat?

[04:35:27]

sphery:

bryce: These are the tables you should worry about getting back...

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bryce:

0.19 just hasn't proven to be that stable

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sphery:

http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.7

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bryce:

thanks

[04:36:05]

sphery:

You'll have to modify the inserts created by a 0.19 backup to work with the table structure of the 0.18 install.

[04:36:24]

GreyFoxx:

sphery: nope,just elbow hitting the keyboard :)

[04:36:31]

sphery:

lol

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sphery:

Wondered.

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kmyth:

hello, i'm trying to convert 2 hours show to DVD format on Pentium3 using the lesser quality settings but it takes 20 hours on. is this right?

[04:37:39]

GreyFoxx:

Man, the TV out on this thing is nice.

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Dagmar:

Yes. transcoding takes massive time

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sphery:

which thing?

[04:38:11]

kmyth:

damn

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GreyFoxx:

sphery: The MSNTV

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kmyth:

time to built new pc

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sphery:

Oh... You got one.

[04:38:33]

GreyFoxx:

sphery: I have 3 :)

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sphery:

Any luck getting it to run Linux?

[04:38:45]

GreyFoxx:

They've been running Linux for months

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sphery:

Oh.

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GreyFoxx:

Just cracked accelerated video + Tvout theother day during mylunchbreak heh

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sphery:

Cool.

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sphery:

You planning to work on making myth run on it?

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GreyFoxx:

I've been using myth on it for months too

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sphery:

Wow.

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GreyFoxx:

but all the better now

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sphery:

Sweet.

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GreyFoxx:

I had changed myth to record at 640x480 so that I wouldn't have to deal with software scaling of the video

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GreyFoxx:

but now that hardware scaling is supported it's much nicer for watching other stuff

[04:41:04]

sphery:

So, is that the MSN TV2?

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GreyFoxx:

yup

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GreyFoxx:

http://pics.phaze.org/?album=albums/2006/03-05-MSNTV-MythTV&

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dev:

got it in the kids room?

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GreyFoxx:

Nah, the living room. Which is also the kids room :)

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dev:

hehe

[04:42:54]

GreyFoxx:

well, now there is one on my work bench, 1 in the living room and 1 in the bedroom

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dev:

did you have any luck with xvmc?

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GreyFoxx:

Haven't really looked at it

[04:43:39]

GreyFoxx:

But a quick look overthe docs for the IEGD driver don't mention XvMC at all

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Sedorox:

old pics..

[04:44:18]

GreyFoxx:

3 whole months old

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dev:

iegd?

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GreyFoxx:

Intel Embedded Graphics Driver

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dev:

ah. what chipset is it? some special model?

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GreyFoxx:

There is no Vesa bios on these things. So we needed a driver that loaded one

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GreyFoxx:

i830

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dev:

supposedly it can do xvmc

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GreyFoxx:

IEGD loads a vbios which allows us to use the hardware scaling and such

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GreyFoxx:

sure, the chip can do it

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GreyFoxx:

but that's a far cry from having a driver to do it in this situation

[04:47:02]

GreyFoxx:

With some effort it's likely not too hard to do

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GreyFoxx:

just low on my list :)

[04:47:40]

GreyFoxx:

Seems almost noone is using the intel XvMC stuff anyway. some googling found almost nothing

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** GreyFoxx looks at the clock and heads to bed **

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dev:

yeah, same here

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dev:

finally getting tired

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groogs_:

mythtv seems to be ignoring some of my lirc controls

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groogs_:

begin prog = mythtv button = OK config = Space end

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groogs_:

for example .. does nothing

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groogs_:

same with button = Forward config = Right even though button = Right config = Right works fine ..

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groogs_:

any ideas why that could happen?

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groogs_:

actually, even stranger.. the "OK" button is actually like pressing i

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groogs_:

even though it is defined as Space

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groogs_:

actually, mythtv seems to just be making up its own keys

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groogs_:

it ignores some, like I had "Back/Exit" and changed it to "BackExit" (thinking the slash was a problem), but no go.. it does nothing. i have Stop defined as P, yet it exits when i press it

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groogs_:

this is just frustrating

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groogs_:

oh wtf, its reading ~/.mythtv/lircrc ?? ffs.

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groogs_:

glad theres documentation to say that its not ~/.lircrc ...

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** groogs_ grumbles **

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semee:

ok I installed the dvb drivers... and the /dev/dvb/adapter0 and /dev/dvb/adapter1 devices exist but I still get the error failed to get pginfo.. TV Error: liveTV not successfully started

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semee:

anyone have any idea?

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groogs_:

semee: permissions?

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semee:

hrm...

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semee:

doesn't look like perms

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semee:

at least not on the video devices

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semee:

what other perms were you thinking

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groogs_:

that was it, i dont use dvb sorry

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semee:

hrm... seems to be a thread saying that its the startup script incorrectly setting the perms

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semee:

lets see what happens when I start the backend manually

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semee:

now I get an errro stating that it failed to set channel to 14.. "Channel: '' was not found in the database'

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semee:

where is the default tv channel set

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semee:

on the off chance that this could be a mythfilldatabase problem I'm setting it now

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semee:

err mean running it now

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semee:

should I be setting this up as ATSC or NTSC... I'm in the US and I've connected my pcHDTV-3000 card to my cable directly... I have digital cable from my provider. Also is it better to connect the cable box first and the output of that to my card?

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Dug02:

when I play a media file (test.mpg) via mplayer or xine with the default video player set as mplayer -fs %s I get no sound, but if I play an mp3 or a dvd (via xine) I get sound? I am using ac3

[06:02:24]

Dug02:

the spdif port works fine as my default alsa device

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Dagmar:

THen you need to tell mplayer what audio output to use.

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Dug02:

Dagmar so I have pointed it to the exact using mplayer -fs -ao alsa:mmap:noblock:device=hw=0.4 %s

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Dug02:

still no sound

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Dug02:

0,4 is my spdif device

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Dagmar:

You can a) try telling ALSA that spdif is your actual default output...

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Dagmar:

...or b) read the ALSA man page and see where you went wrong in amongst all those colons

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Dagmar:

s/page/pages/;

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Dug02:

Dagmar: but my alsa default device works...

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Dug02:

Dagmar: I can play a dvd or mplayer audio through myth via mplayer

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Dug02:

just not a mpeg file

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Dagmar:

I feel for you.

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Dug02:

alsa-init: 1 soundcard found, using: hw:0,4

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Jelte:

hi there... I upgraded to 0.19 last night (from 0.18), and now channel changing has gotten extremely slow. I'm using DVB-T in the UK. Is this a known problem? are there workarounds (other than moving back to 0.18)?

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xris:

Jelte: sort of a known problem. upgrade to .19-fixes should fix it

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achew22:

xris are you one of the numerous gentoo fanboys in here?

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Jelte:

xris: is that the same as 0.19.1 ?

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xris:

achew22: god no

[07:00:35]

achew22:

do you know if any of them are on? I have a couple of questions about emerge

[07:00:37]

xris:

Jelte: it refers to a branch in the svn version of mythtv from which .19.1 will be packaged, but not .19.1 specifically

[07:00:53]

xris:

achew22: kormoc's the one I usually point at, but he's not here.

[07:01:13]

xris:

#gentoo is supposed to be helpful for general questions, though

[07:02:02]

achew22:

xris: Thankyou as always for your general knowlege. Now if only I could figure out why my client is droping messages

[07:02:34]

xris:

:(

[07:02:57]

achew22:

its so strange — I only got one of the message you sent me xris: the other one is gone. Maybe I should reinstall mirc

[07:03:51]

xris:

ick

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achew22:

if I ever don't respond thats probably what happened

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xris:

I just use gaim.. keeps everything in one window

[07:04:55]

achew22:

I have trillian installed maybe I'll switch over to that

[07:05:03]

achew22:

but its not as prety as mirc or scriptable

[07:05:42]

achew22:

do you know of any scriptable general messaging clients? (AIM/MSN/Y!)

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xris:

nope

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achew22:

I wish there was one... that would be great

[07:06:56]

achew22:

excuse me — I must go potty.

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Dagmar:

Gaim

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achew22:

Gaim uses triggers (it calls them hits or something like that) that not scripting. I want if statements and for loops etc.

[07:09:34]

Dagmar:

There are perl plugins for gaim.

[07:09:43]

achew22:

ahh

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Dagmar:

Those are called "hooks" normally, not triggers

[07:09:49]

achew22:

maybe I'll look into that

[07:10:11]

achew22:

Dagmar they are called triggers in Trillian. Thats the name I became accustomed to.

[07:10:32]

achew22:

I associate hooks with low level code. this is very high up in code so does it still count?

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Dagmar:

That really doesn't have anything to do with it.

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achew22:

Dagmar are you a gentoo person?

[07:11:38]

Dagmar:

Probably the most likely source of that usage of the word is that they were called hooks in the ircII scripting documentation.

[07:11:46]

Dagmar:

Hell no I can make my own build scripts, thank you.

[07:11:54]

achew22:

lol

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Dagmar:

;)

[07:12:15]

achew22:

what do you run?

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Dagmar:

Slackware

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achew22:

ohh — nerdy....

[07:12:46]

Dagmar:

Like any Linux distribution is macho

[07:13:14]

achew22:

the order of macho is as follows: writing your own, slackware, gentoo, everything else (in my mind at least)

[07:13:28]

Dagmar:

Well, I'm on the extreme left of that then

[07:13:46]

achew22:

yeah its like people who still do asm. They are hardcore

[07:13:56]

Dagmar:

The only reason I say Slackware is because I maintain a number of Dropline GNOME binary packages for it, and because it's what I use to bootstrap onto a new machine

[07:14:11]

achew22:

ahh

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achew22:

wow its been around since 93'

[07:15:12]

achew22:

how do you get packages on there? do you get each file from the internet indevidiualy or do you have some kind of automated dependancy program?

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Dagmar:

Actually, I've got code I've been building on for a few years that I ported into Dropline's build stuffs.

[07:16:18]

Dagmar:

A stub script defining where the source (and optional patches) can be found, and then some code to turn it into a package and sanify it

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achew22:

hrm...

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achew22:

how is that different from emerge?

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achew22:

ebuild:gentoo::stub script:slackware

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Dagmar:

It doesn't have all the Gentoo ego tied up in it

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achew22:

ahh

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achew22:

Dagmar, I'm going to consider myself a noob for many many years to come

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Dagmar:

This code is for rapid development of binary packages, and replication of work

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Dagmar:

achew22: Nothing wrong with that

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Dagmar:

achew22: Considering that the end users can't be trusted to pay attention when we say "Do not install this on Slackware-current" I've no intention of modifying the build engine so that they can all easily make broken-assed packages

[07:19:19]

achew22:

I wish I hadn't told it to emerge apache2

[07:19:26]

achew22:

that thing is huge

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Dagmar:

Yeah, but it's useful

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Dagmar:

There's a number of things in Apache2 that are markedly more elegant than Apache 1.x

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achew22:

I should have done apache1 because it was precompiled

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achew22:

<-- getting dumber since its so late

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Dagmar:

You gotta learn more patient if you're going to be building your stuff from source

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achew22:

yeah. I did gentoo once and I compiled 230+ packages

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achew22:

then I killed the system on accident and switched to ubuntu

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achew22:

I'm going back now to see if I can actualy do it

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xris:

achew22: apache1 in ubuntu or gentoo?

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achew22:

what?

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xris:

"should have done apache1"

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achew22:

in gentoo — it was precompiled

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xris:

ahh

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achew22:

doesn't matter now. it has moved on

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xris:

was going to say, ubuntu has apache2. heh

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xris:

anyway, enjoy. I'm headed to sleep.

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achew22:

Dagmar are you going to be on for a while?

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Dagmar:

All night as per usual

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Dagmar:

I word 3rd shifts

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Dagmar:

s/word/work/;

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achew22:

Are you at work?

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Dagmar:

So like half the week, I'm just online all night

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Dagmar:

Yep

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achew22:

where do you work?

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Dagmar:

Only thing going on here right now is a router flap

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Dagmar:

A large university specializing in the creation of doctors and lawyers

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achew22:

what is a router flap?

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Dagmar:

A router getting in a tizzy and being sloppy about where it's packets are going

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achew22:

is that an easy fix?

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Dagmar:

In this case, manifesting as about 75 ICMP-based connectivity alarms which I know will clear up in a moment once the router calms down

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Dagmar:

Down to 16 now in fact

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achew22:

are they alarms or lights?

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Dagmar:

They're not audible, except for the sound file I put into Nagios

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achew22:

is Nagios web based?

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Dagmar:

Yep

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Dagmar:

Well, actually "sort of" is a better answer

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Dagmar:

It's got a web interface to it for examining network status and getting reports

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achew22:

its a daemon and a web interface?

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Dagmar:

THat's probably a better answer

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achew22:

hurm...

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achew22:

why do you work 3rd shift?

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Dagmar:

Because someone has to

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achew22:

is anyone in the building other than you?

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Dagmar:

I think there's three telephone operators upstairs

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Dagmar:

Might only be two on duty since it's Sunday

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achew22:

you should go play beerpong with them

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Dagmar:

Hah no

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achew22:

aaw

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achew22:

drunk nerds are awesome

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achew22:

they like "I CAN QUOTE *hickup* startreck from page 1 to the last page"

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achew22:

thats an actual quote from one of my drunk nerd friends. Also the caps on the first part are intentional.

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Dagmar:

Oh I'm familiar with drunk people

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LoneShadow:

Anyone using a Compaq EVO SFF system in here ?

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Dagmar:

I lean more towards the "freak" crowd. The ones who can quote the Rocky Horror Picture Show

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achew22:

hey. I don't think gentoo detected my sound card. would oyu be willing to help me setup alsa?

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Dagmar:

ALSA actually doesn't require much attention anymore man.

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achew22:

really?

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Dagmar:

You're using the latest kernel, yes?

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achew22:

yeah

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Dagmar:

2.6.16.20 or so...

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achew22:

2.6.16.15

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Dagmar:

So long as your udev is up-to-date and properly configured, you'll be astonished at how *little* has to be done

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Dagmar:

Two questions: 1. Do you know (rather specifically) what sound card you have, and 2) have you checked to see if it isn't _already_ working?

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achew22:

LoneShadow: is that a shadow

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LoneShadow:

?

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achew22:

Dagmar: i'm still in the Live CD so its just my best guess from trying to play an audio file in the livecd

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achew22:

LoneShadow: sorry its late. Is that a server?

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LoneShadow:

lol

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LoneShadow:

its an old P4 system

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Dagmar:

achew22: Well, if `cat /dev/random > /dev/dsp` makes a horrible sound then it's working

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LoneShadow:

I just bought it off ebay, wondering if anyone was using a simillar setup

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achew22:

Dagmar: thats a terrible idea

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achew22:

I think I'll do it

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achew22:

LoneShadow: how fast is it?

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LoneShadow:

2Ghz

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Dagmar:

Usually I tell people to use /boot/vmlinuz or /vmlinuz

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achew22:

it should be fine

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LoneShadow:

P4 2ghz

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Dagmar:

It's quick, decisive, and requires almost no external code. :)

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LoneShadow:

I am a lil worried about the power supply

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achew22:

how much ram?

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Dagmar:

You either get a godwaful noise or you don't

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achew22:

why?

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LoneShadow:

I think its 175Watts

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achew22:

so?

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achew22:

I have a compy running on an old 100w box

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achew22:

it has 2 tuners

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Dagmar:

LoneShadow: Isn't that one of the boxes with space only for half-height PCI cards?

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LoneShadow:

aah cool :)

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achew22:

if you get strange power cutouts then I would get a new power supply

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LoneShadow:

it has space for 2 regular pci slots

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LoneShadow:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Compaq-Evo-Desktop-2-0-GH . . . cmdZViewItem

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achew22:

LoneShadow: just drop ubuntu on there and I'll give you a link to a great site for setting it up

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LoneShadow:

though the AGP slot might be an odd shaped one

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LoneShadow:

I will most probably install ubuntu on it

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achew22:

DAMN! $89 does he have 2?

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LoneShadow:

err

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LoneShadow:

that his regular price

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Dagmar:

achew22: But back to the ALSA thing, if udev is actually installed properly with a 2.6.16.x kernel pretty much any supported sound card should "just work"

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LoneShadow:

ppl have got it lil cheaper with a 10–40gb hdd

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achew22:

Dagmar: we will see — its stoped whrling around so I wonder if its dowe

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Dagmar:

achew22: Apparently that guy does have more of those machines

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achew22:

s/dowe/done;

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LoneShadow:

achew22: we just managed to hack a msntv box, installed linux on it, its a cool Myth FE

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LoneShadow:

more like the other folks hacked it, I just playing with the msntv box :D

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LoneShadow:

planning on running mythtv + asterisk@home on this p4 machine

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achew22:

msntv will run linux?

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achew22:

LoneShadow: how much do they cost on ebay?

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Dagmar:

LoneShadow: I have my doubts about the knowledge level of the guy selling them tho...

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Dagmar:

Freaking please... "AGP Slots: 2"

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LoneShadow:

achew22: the msntv box used to go for 99 cents + $15 shipping

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LoneShadow:

lol

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LoneShadow:

Dagmar: it has 2 PCI slots + 1 agp :P

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achew22:

does MSNTV have USB or anything?

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LoneShadow:

most of the ebay sellers cant even write english properly

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Dagmar:

LoneShadow: I have my doubts about that

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Dagmar:

From looking at the pictures of the units, I don't see anywhere that an AGP slot could reasonably be found

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LoneShadow:

Dagmar: I meant those kinda ebay sellers, who mass sell old office pcs

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Dagmar:

THe one vertically-oriented slot is definitely for one of those fun "you'll never find one" modem cards

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Dagmar:

AMR... Audio-Modem-Riser cards

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Dagmar:

I knew I could remember the name for 'em

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LoneShadow:

http://h18002.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs . . . 946_div.HTML

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achew22:

LoneShadow: do they have USB ports?

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LoneShadow:

Dagmar: thats the hp link for the pc specs

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LoneShadow:

achew22: msntv2 has 2 usb ports, I think 2.0, one ethernet port, one soft modem, s-video out, audio/video out (rca?)

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achew22:

wow

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achew22:

do they run myth well?

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LoneShadow:

128MB ram, 64MB cf :D

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LoneShadow:

well, we just got video acceleration enabled few days ago

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LoneShadow:

mainly 2 guys are working hard on it

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LoneShadow:

they are still trying to get diff resolutions, trying to enable both pal and ntsc

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Dagmar:

LoneShadow: Okay, that's what I suspected. On those CFF models it's a "Low Profile AGP" slot

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Dagmar:

You're not sticking the average AGP card in there

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LoneShadow:

so you either use it with external usb hdd, or nfs boot it

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LoneShadow:

I got it booting ubuntu breezy over nfs

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LoneShadow:

Dagmar: I am new to mythtv, how important is agp for for a backend ?

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Dagmar:

Some of them have a video chipset that the latest nVidia driver supports

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Dagmar:

For a backend? it's not important at all

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Dagmar:

You're golden if you're going to use that as a backen

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Dagmar:

You might want to drop another 256Mb of RAM in there (to total 512) if you're going to run the DB on that as well

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achew22:

LoneShadow: is there a perticular one you need to get to do that?

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Dagmar:

All things considered tho, that looks like a great way for people to get inexpensive backend hardware

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LoneShadow:

achew22: if you are talking about the msntv box, yes it has to be RCA msntv2

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LoneShadow:

lately its prices have gone up since ppl found out that it can be used as front end

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LoneShadow:

I myself had to buy it for $32 + shipping

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achew22:

LoneShadow: it has a remote right? Can that be used by lirc?

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LoneShadow:

I did not get a remote with msntv2 box, prev. owner probably lost the remote

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achew22:

does linux detect the ir port?

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LoneShadow:

yes

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achew22:

sweet

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LoneShadow:

we use the wireless keyboard, on the forums I think they mentioned something about lirc

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LoneShadow:

I have a harmony remote, if it has IR, then I am good to go :D

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LoneShadow:

achew22: you better check this site http://mirror.toc2rta.com/index.php/Main_Page

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achew22:

LoneShadow: if I give you my email will you email me with some links to the sites that have more info and maybe email me if you lirc workign later?

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achew22:

HAHHA A CLUSTER

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LoneShadow:

discussion about lirc http://www.toc2rta.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t . . . ghlight=lirc

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achew22:

Do they still make these boxews?

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achew22:

boxes?

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LoneShadow:

not sure, msntv's websites still sell them

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achew22:

Dagmar: Do you know if there is a way to auto configure xorg?

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LoneShadow:

I just fancy installing linux on powerful machines meant for something else :D

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achew22:

yeah

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achew22:

11.25$ shiping included isn't too bad for a frontend

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Dagmar:

Ya just run `xorgconfig` and answer it's questions

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Dagmar:

X -setup *sometimes* works

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achew22:

Dagmar: remember I'm an extreme newb to this whole configuring sutff myself thing

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LoneShadow:

Dagmar: whats a good low profile AGP card with svideo out ?

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marmoset:

LoneShadow: anything nvidia that's low profile? ;)

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Dagmar:

LoneShadow: Dunno. I'd say check NewEgg and prepare for an extended search

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Dagmar:

Low profile and halg-height cards aren't all that common

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Dagmar:

s/halg/half/;

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marmoset:

haha

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marmoset:

I liked when we had a vendor that said the half height cards "were the future for servers"

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Dagmar:

marmoset: no one laughed in his face?

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LoneShadow:

I have an old pci mpeg encoder card with s-video in and out

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marmoset:

Dagmar: the person doing the bulk of the perchasing at that point was a retard

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marmoset:

er

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marmoset:

purchasing

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LoneShadow:

maybe I can use that for tv out

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marmoset:

I have no idea how I spelled it that way, I blame the beer.

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Dagmar:

LoneShadow: Actually, if you can find a regular PCI video card you should be able to use that

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Dagmar:

You *do* have two PCI slots in there, after all

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LoneShadow:

yea

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Dagmar:

Wait what am I saying

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LoneShadow:

If I use my msntv for FE, then I might just use 1 PCI slot of happauge 150 card and use another slot for a FXS port card

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Dagmar:

If you're just using this as a backend you can just use the built-in video card

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achew22:

LoneShadow: you could get an agp riser card and just route a cable out of the box

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LoneShadow:

oh

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Dagmar:

achew22: Usually the daughter boards in those machines are unique to that manufacturer

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LoneShadow:

card hanging out of the box, hmm, a lil dusty situation :)

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Dagmar:

You can't exactly do that with AGP either

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Dagmar:

It gets screwed up when the connections are more than a few inches long

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achew22:

Dagmar: its about a card databse. is there a place where I can look up what card I have in there. Its onboard is why I don't know

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Dagmar:

achew22: it's at least a PCI card, right?

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achew22:

its listed on lspci

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achew22:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8378 [S3 UniChrome] Integrated Video (rev 01)

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Dagmar:

That *should* tell you about all you need to kno...

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Dagmar:

Euw unichrome

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Dagmar:

Okay that's going to be in fun research-space but it's useable

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Dagmar:

http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php . . . up_id=102048

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achew22:

Dagmar: thats for me right?

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Dagmar:

Yep. As is this http://www.google.com/search?hs=W0g&hl=en . . . ;btnG=Search

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Dagmar:

er half of that one anyway

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Dagmar:

Googlng for "s3 unichrome linux xorg howto" should find you everything you could ever want to know

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qu0zl:

achew22, try openchrome.org for the unichrome driver

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qu0zl:

or if you don't want XvMC then the unichrome one is where the openchrome forked from

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achew22:

Dagmar: how much ram should I claim it has?

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Dagmar:

16Mb would be *plenty*

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Dagmar:

That doesn't actually get put into the config file it generates, or rather, it's put in *commented out*

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achew22:

lets see if it works!

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LoneShadow:

whats the diff between a tv tuner vs a video capture card ?

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Dagmar:

LoneShadow: Both are capture cards

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Dagmar:

By nomenclature, only the TV Tuner can pick up TV.

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LoneShadow:

tv tuner card has extra coxial interface ?

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Dagmar:

Unless someone's being sloppy, a "video capture card" isn't guaranteed to have more than a composite video input

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LoneShadow:

http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Zora . . . _these_cards

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LoneShadow:

I have this mpeg card, I think it is a pinnacle mpeg card meant to record the video from old camcorders

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achew22:

Dagmar: why don't I have a /dev/mouse?

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LoneShadow:

your cat chased it away :D

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Dagmar:

Cat ate it maybe?

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Dagmar:

WHat kind of mouse are you using?

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achew22:

M$ mouse

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achew22:

over usb

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Dagmar:

No.

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Dagmar:

PS/2 or USB?

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achew22:

look up 2 lines

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Dagmar:

Okay. Then you use /dev/input/mice to read from

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Dagmar:

/dev/psaux is only for PS/2 mice

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achew22:

good tip

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Dagmar:

/dev/input/mice is the mux output for *all* usb mice

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Dagmar:

...so all USB mice present look like one mouse

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Dagmar:

Side effect, *no* USB mice also look like only one USB mouse

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achew22:

thats nifty

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Dagmar:

...so you can use that as a primary pointing device so that X doesn't balk on a notebook where you've got it configured to both use the trackpoint thingie as well as look for a USB mouse

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achew22:

dagmar I would kiss you if that didvt involve getting on a plane

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LoneShadow:

Dagmar: so you think I could use the old mpeg card for my back end until I get a good deal on a new tv tuner card ?

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Dagmar:

LoneShadow: If you're planning on using two tuners you might as well just go ahead and use froogle or pricewatch to find a PVR-500 and be done with it

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CrazyP:

so... anyone have much luck with mythtv + 64bit p4s?

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LoneShadow:

I just need one, I missed the $45 deal for PVR-150 by a day =/

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Dagmar:

back in a bit. Going for a smoke (for real this time)

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achew22:

LoneShadow if you want newegg sells half height pci cards

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Dagmar:

I'm a horrible procrastinator when it comes to vices

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LoneShadow:

lol

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achew22:

lol

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LoneShadow:

achew22: I think the machine I bought take full height PCI cards, but the short ones

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achew22:

just trying to help ;)

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LoneShadow:

2 Half Length, Full Height PCI slots

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LoneShadow:

1 Low Profile AGP

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LoneShadow:

well thanks for your tips :)

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janneg:

CrazyP: mythtv runs fine on amd64. but p4 are not really 64bit cpus. If you have less than 4GB you should use 32bit since it's faster

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CrazyP:

janneg, okay i only have 1 gb of memory

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CrazyP:

janneg, but, the cpu I bought said it was an intel 64bit cpu ...

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LoneShadow:

I am off to bed, gnite all

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CrazyP:

janneg, so it might not be a p4... i forget the exact type

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achew22:

how do you set the dns servers from the command line?

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marmoset:

achew22: edit /etc/resolv.conf

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marmoset:

or if you just want to do one lookup

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marmoset:

dig @name.server domain.com

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achew22:

marmoset: I changed those how do I apply changes?

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CrazyP:

janneg, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819116224 that is the cpu i got....

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marmoset:

achew22: it's done, unless you're talking about applications which may do their own caching

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marmoset:

if you're talking about a browser, you probably need to quit it then restart it

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CrazyP:

so would you still say run it in 32bit mode or 64 bit mode?

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janneg:

CrazyP: you should run it in 32bit mode since it's 10–20% faster for pentium 4

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CrazyP:

janneg, okay... so should i also reinstall gentoo in 32bit mode too?

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Dagmar:

It's definitely more than 10–20% easier to just treat them as 32-bit CPUs for now

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achew22:

what would cause my box to only ping internal ips? external ones get a "network is unreachable" error

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marmoset:

achew22: missing default gateway

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achew22:

is there a way to fix that from the command line?

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achew22:

ifconfig?

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marmoset:

route add default gw <ip>

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marmoset:

<ip> = whatever your default gateway is

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LoneShadow:

Hi again

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achew22:

Hello!

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LoneShadow:

who mentioned they can hook me up with mythtv setup over ubuntu ?

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achew22:

I did

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LoneShadow:

thought so :D

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achew22:

its for Breezy, but I used it on Dapper and it worked

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LoneShadow:

I just rebooted my windows, and am in ubuntu 64bit breezy

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LoneShadow:

I tried installing the mythtv package, and it failed

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LoneShadow:

some dependency issues

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achew22:

http://s91928265.onlinehome.us/hfamily/mythtv/myth_ubuntu.html

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emja:

the eject button on my dvd player is ignored (or the dvd is mounted I guess) and using eject from the menu causes it to *immediately* inject again after ejecting. even typing eject /dev/dvd from a shell prompt causes it to eject and inject again. any ideas?

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achew22:

LoneShadow: do apt-get build-dep mythtv

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achew22:

emja: Hammer?

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emja:

achew22: it's been considered

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emja:

achew22: ;-)

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achew22:

Sledge usualy works

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LoneShadow:

thanks

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emja:

I've replaced the dvd drive, same problem with new drive too

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achew22:

is there a way to set the default distcc host list?

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LoneShadow:

ok I am out now, gnite

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achew22:

emja is it a dvd player or a computer?

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achew22:

good night

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emja:

the dvd drive in the mythtv box

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emja:

standard samsung dvdrw

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emja:

the worst thing is, I have 'three weddings and a funeral' in it. like I want to watch that tonite! :-(

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achew22:

use the paperclip trick

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emja:

hmm

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achew22:

turn it off and when its booting take it out

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emja:

what would cause it to instantly reload?

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achew22:

no....

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achew22:

that is a manual override of the dvd/cdrom's motors

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emja:

yes, I understand the paperclip and power cycle will allow me to remove the currently inserted DVD. I'm wondering though what causes the DVD drive to instantly reload when I hit eject

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emja:

or when i type eject

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achew22:

if it were mounted it wouldn't let you eject

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achew22:

so thats not it

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achew22:

is it hitting something?

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emja:

nope

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emja:

not a physical issue

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achew22:

I wish I could help. I'm a noob

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emja:

the previous dvd drive actually stayed open for two or three seconds before reloading

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emja:

achew22: ah well, thanks anyway. I appreciate the effort

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achew22:

I can go through the general tech support thing if you would like?

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Dagmar:

Drives aren't supposed to close on their own after you hit the eject button

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Dagmar:

Something is *telling* it to close again

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Dagmar:

The other drive was probably just slower about responding to it

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achew22:

is there a short on your button?

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emja:

Dagmar: yeah, that's what I figured

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emja:

achew22: the button does nothing

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emja:

the eject optoin on the menu does the same as typeing eject at a root prompt – eject and inject

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emja:

mailing list archive has nothing about this

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achew22:

I don't think this is a mythtv problem

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emja:

hmm. killing mythbackend and then ejecting didn't help either

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emja:

achew22: I think you might be right

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emja:

can't be myth. I completely quit myth and still can't eject

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emja:

sorry guys. thanks for the effort

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emja:

I'll look elsewhere

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achew22:

emja: like I keep telling my gf — I'm always right

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emja:

achew22: :-)

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emja:

achew22: maybe she'll eventually believe you

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emja:

achew22: my wife of 20 years doesn't, so I don't think you'll have much success

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emja:

;-)

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achew22:

I guess she is an ex gf now... but that matter is trivial

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achew22:

emja: stay around here though — you know stuff and your exploitable for knowlege

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emja:

haha

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emja:

not really

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achew22:

well FUCK.... emerge is missing a file... or I need to resync

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achew22:

does emerge have an emerge upgrade?

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emja:

Dagmar & achew22: problem is in myth

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emja:

if I insert a dvd I can eject it, but if I try to play it from the myth menu then I'm stuck

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emja:

I can play the dvd via 'mplayer dvd://1' and then eject it (menu, and cmd line), but again not if I select play at the myth menu

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Juski:

morning

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Merlin83b:

Morning Juski

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Juski:

tis much cooler today. might be able to sleep tonight

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Juski_:

grrr

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Merlin83b:

Sounds like fun.

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Juski:

just on trimming down my s100 system, getting rid of the fat ;-)

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Merlin83b:

Heh, it had fat?

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Juski:

I can save about 1.4GB by removing portage, manpages, kernel source...

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Merlin83b:

Then make a howto on PXE booting it? ;-)

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Juski:

I don't think it'll do PXE

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Juski:

the BIOS comes up with a lame (press F11 to boot from network) :-/

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Dagmar:

I wouldn't call that lame--I'd call that a windfall

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Merlin83b:

Someone had one PXE booting, I though?

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Dagmar:

It'll likely boot over TFTP like sane equipment

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Juski:

don't think it does you know

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Merlin83b:

:<

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Juski:

not a big deal

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Merlin83b:

I guess a cheapy USB stick isn't too bad :-)

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Dagmar:

Well, start sniffing the segment and hit F11

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Merlin83b:

Great if you've got a keyboard plugged in...

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Juski_:

blech

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Dagmar:

You're right, he should probably consult a doctor before exerting himself by plugging in a keyboard. ;)

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Juski_:

as I was saying...

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Juski_:

the DoM it comes with will be ideal once you scrub windows CE off it ;-)

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** Juski_ wonders why work uses BT for internet connections :-/ **

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Dagmar:

To a true hacker there is no such thing as "I don't know" there's only "I'm still working on it".

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Merlin83b:

Juski_: DoM?

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Juski_:

disk on module

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Juski_:

flash on an ide connector

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Juski_:

comes with 32mb – more than enough for a net bootloader

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Dagmar:

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Merlin83b:

Juski_: Does it take anything mad to scrub the thing?

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Juski_:

fdisk

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Merlin83b:

Excellent.

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Juski_:

it just looks like a hdd

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Juski_:

to the system I mean ;-)

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Dagmar:

Oh those are nice

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Juski_:

keep it nice & tidy ;-)

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Juski_:

hmm even with this box trimmed down it's still over a gig :-/

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Merlin83b:

:-(

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Juski_:

doing a du | tee du.txt to find out where the usage is

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Dagmar:

You have done something *very* freaking wrong

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Dagmar:

Paring a Linux system down to under half a gig should bd trivial

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Juski_:

eh?

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Juski_:

maybe I've not finished yet

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Dagmar:

You still have a /usr/include at the very least, probably /usr/share/doc to get rid of, and /usr/share/man

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Juski_:

yup

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Dagmar:

I had an 85Mb Solaris 2.6 network install profile, and a 135Mb RedHat anaconda install that I hadn't even trimmed up much

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Dagmar:

You've got a *lot* of space to ditch yet

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achew22:

Dagmar: what are you trying to make?

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Dagmar:

achew22: It's not an "am trying" thing. It's a "was and did" thing.

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achew22:

ahh

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Dagmar:

It was the baselines for a couple of network-based installs for service machines

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Dagmar:

Angels and devils alike gazed on my work and became slightly uncomfortable

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Merlin83b:

Juski_: DSL or distributions made for iPaqs and the like may be a good starting point?

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Juski_:

Merlin83b: maybe

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Juski_:

I dunno where all the space is taken up

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Dagmar:

Start in / and run `du -s *`

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** Merlin83b trust Juski_ to know how to navigate a linux filesystem. **

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Juski_:

Dagmar: I know that – I'm going for the biggest likely candidates first

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Juski_:

gone is /usr/portage, /usr/share/doc, /usr/share/man, /usr/src/linux-

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Juski_:

that bit some 1.5GB out of it

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achew22:

Juski_ are you a Gentoo person?

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Juski_:

achew22: yup

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achew22:

Juski_ do you mind if I ask you a few questions when this emerge is done?

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Juski_:

just ask the fscking questions dammit

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Dagmar:

I wasn't trying to condescend about the du -s * thing. I use that myself when I can't figure out where my space has run off to

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achew22:

Juski_: I don't have anything I can do untill this emerge involving 17 items is done. It very well could be a day before I can do anything

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Juski_:

Dagmar: I know... it's just a mystery where gentoo is eating 1.5GB with a minimal X & mythtv install

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Dagmar:

X7?

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Juski_:

6.8.2

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Dagmar:

Hmm... I'll bet there's a ton of shell stuff in there.

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achew22:

Juski_: what are you making

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Dagmar:

CUPS, openoffice, java

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Juski_:

Dagmar: my USE line starts with -*

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Dagmar:

ouch

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Juski_:

copying /usr/portage back for the time being

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achew22:

Juski_ Forget about me asking a question — it doesn't look good for this being finished this week

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Juski_:

phew it's humid out there

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Dagmar:

Well, the planet is absolutely buried in water--it's only logical that it should be dampish all over.

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gardengnome:

re

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Juski:

evening gardengnome

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gardengnome:

*yawn*

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gardengnome:

f'ing hot here. and the AC in my car doesn't work very well. *sigh*

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Juski:

been trying to trim the fat of my gentoo install

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gardengnome:

heh. successfully? ;)

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Juski:

kind of

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Juski:

sti;ll not getting enough free space though

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gardengnome:

have you removed the kernel sources? what about /usr/portage? /var/db/<foo>?

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Juski:

var/db/<foo>?

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Juski:

what's /var/db all about then?

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Dagmar:

In theory, likely the place your MySQL database resides.

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gardengnome:

/var/db/pkg is prolly the database for portage (i.e. installed packages, dunno)

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Juski:

mysql is no longer installed

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gardengnome:

huh? did you do an emerge -C mysql?

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gardengnome:

you scare me :/

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Juski:

--unmerge, before removing /var/portage

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gardengnome:

well, are you sure that mythtv still works? libmysqlclient or however it is called might be needed :)

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Juski:

oh shit

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Juski:

lol

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Dagmar:

heh

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gardengnome:

well, time to replay your backup :) you can also create binary packages of stuff you've emerged, that might work as a backup, too

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Dagmar:

I think Qt actually loads that on demand, so it might not immediately malfunction

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: mythtv without mysql is not that much fun

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Juski:

I _thought_ mysql was just the server stuff

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Juski:

I also assumed that so long as I still has the qt libs all would be well.

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Juski:

s/has/had

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gardengnome:

there's only one way to find out :)

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jusk1:

ROFLMAO

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jusk1:

help! I get the error "2unable to connect to database" !

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jusk1:

;-)

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gardengnome:

!trout jusk1

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** MythLogBot slaps jusk1 with a trout on behalf of gardengnome... **

[11:44:59]

jusk1:

it's all good learnin'

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jusk1:

so the qtmysql libs don't actually do the talking to the DB.. handy to know... they must just call mysql stuff

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** jusk1 copies /usr/portage back again & puts the dunces cap on **

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** ivor is laughing so hard he's having trouble breathing. **

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Dagmar:

Naughty naughty, destroying your package manager

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Juski:

what? at least I'm fscking trying. I coulda just signed up to the zenega forums & whined at them to make an English language rollout just for me

[11:49:45]

Juski:

but where'd be the fun in _that_?

[11:50:06]

Dagmar:

Well...

[11:50:11]

jusk1:

just wait til I go into the wrong dir and do rm -rf *

[11:50:45]

Dagmar:

There seem to be no end to people who clearly enjoy asking those kinds of questions on the LinuxQuestions forums, and to a lesser degree the Dropline forums (we plonk 'em).

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raf_k:

anyone here who got the nova-t-usb2 ir-receiver working?

[11:51:41]

Juski:

there's no end to the number of lusers out there. several must be being born every minute

[11:51:46]

Dagmar:

"plz hlp me 2 set up my new compy. it is red."

[11:51:52]

ivor:

Juski: at least

[11:51:53]

Dagmar:

"why iz linux so hard to set up?"

[11:52:26]

Juski:

"is it becuz I is lame?"

[11:53:11]

Dagmar:

...and my almost favorite... "help me to get my [laughably obscure] RAID controller working under VMware and Win98se"

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** Beirdo yawns **

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Juski:

I think getting this install pared down is gonna be a lot more involved than just deleting big unneeded directories, but I figure it'd take a hell of a lot of shared libraries etc to occupy 1GB space

[11:54:25]

Beirdo:

damned mornings, they just keep happening

[11:54:37]

gardengnome:

Beirdo: every day. those bastards.

[11:54:38]

Dagmar:

...and then there's everyone's favorite... "i need to restore a database for virtual users on my vhosting server so that postfix knows where the mail is forwarded to, but I can't get it to access the SAN. plz hlp"

[11:55:11]

raf_k:

aehm, got a question...

[11:55:11]

Juski:

fix for that is to insert USB key into ear & bang it in nice & hard

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Dagmar:

Juski: Generally you make a mental list of what you actually need to keep the system upright, and then go through the rest of the filesystem like you're deleting all your porn before your parents come over"

[11:55:22]

raf_k:

I: Bus=0000 Vendor=0000 Product=0000 Version=0000

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raf_k:

N: Name="IR-receiver inside an USB DVB receiver"

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raf_k:

the bus etc stuff, looks kinda wrong to me

[11:55:37]

raf_k:

what would u say?

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raf_k:

..

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Dagmar:

Juski: Oddly, I generally say to them "Hire a bloody consultant."

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Beirdo:

I would say this isn't #usb or #dvb, but yeah, it looks odd

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raf_k:

kthx :D

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Beirdo:

but who knows? Maybe that's on purpose

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Juski:

it's not even #lirc, surprisingly

[11:56:27]

raf_k:

yeah, it aint ;)

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Beirdo:

Juski, yeah, imagine that :)

[11:56:48]

Beirdo:

or in my case #why-the-fuck-isn't-postfix-behaving

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Dagmar:

I hate it when people go to forums for things that are relatively easy to research, but show clearly that the person is in possession of hardware that means there's no way they can't have a budget for paying people to spend hours on end researching something.

[11:57:05]

Dagmar:

Product and vendor codes should definitely not be zerod like that

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raf_k:

mkay, thx :)

[11:57:27]

Juski:

at least it's not #telleveryonetoSTFU like last night

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Beirdo:

hahaha

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Dagmar:

Something might be broken with the way it's using libusb.

[11:57:46]

Beirdo:

I missed that spending quality time with the wife ;)

[11:59:11]

raf_k:

hm, could u imagine that the problem is somehow related to using the device with a non-usb2.0 controller? (its a nova-t-usb2 )

[11:59:53]

raf_k:

(the dvb part is working flawlessly, only the receiver doesn't work)

[11:59:59]

raf_k:

receiver = ir receiver

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Beirdo:

oh. hahaha, it DID work. it just sent the mail JUST before I switched the MX

[12:00:12]

Beirdo:

never mind

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Dagmar:

OUch

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Dagmar:

I really would not expect something that needs to stream video to be able to tolerate being squeezed through even the best 1.1 USB device

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jusk1:

hmmm seems pentoo 'onl'y occupies 186MB

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Beirdo:

how about pebian?

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Dagmar:

1.1 being *lots* slower

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Beirdo:

heh

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raf_k:

yeah i know

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Dagmar:

plaqueware

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raf_k:

but strange enough the dvb part works^^

[12:02:31]

Dagmar:

...which is rather obviously compiled for i586 and localized in francais.

[12:02:40]

Juski:

it will, but when whole mux recording comes along, buhahahaha

[12:02:50]

Dagmar:

raf_k: Control signals don't exactly need a lot of bandwidth

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** Juski goes to google 'Plebian'... might be suitable for him **

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raf_k:

yeah, thats why i couldnt really imagine it to be the problem...

[12:03:49]

Dagmar:

Oooh now that's a good name for a distro

[12:04:54]

Juski:

yeh.. you could have different levels of it...

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** Juski installs Plebian 'labotomy' **

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raf_k:

mkay, works when using a usb2 controller

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raf_k:

wtf, rebooted once, now it doesnt work anymore Oo

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Juski:

that's USB for yer

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raf_k:

lol, im not able to receive any events... how the fuck may a reboot have changed anything Oo

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Beirdo:

hmmm, fuck

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Beirdo:

stupid OpenBSD dhclient INSISTS on overwriting resolv.conf, there seems to be no way around it

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Dagmar:

There is

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Dagmar:

IIRC that's being done by dhclient-exit-script

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Beirdo:

there IS no dhclient-exit-script in OpenBSD

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Beirdo:

they (as always) hacked the scripts to be nonstandard

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raf_k:

fuck usb ...

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Dagmar:

Nevemind, got the name wrong. That's the one for localized configurations

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Dagmar:

It's /sbin/dhclient-script you want to attack

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Dagmar:

Literally the first function in it is make_resolv_conf()

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Dagmar:

Actually, the first function in it IS that, now that I'm looking at it

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Beirdo:

yeah, I made a dhclient-exit-hooks script that I hooked in

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Beirdo:

and I'm undoing the resolv.conf in there :)

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Beirdo:

and recreating squid configs, restarting squid

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Dagmar:

Just snuff what's in /sbin/dhclient-script

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Beirdo:

and doing a DDNS update, etc

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Beirdo:

nah

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Beirdo:

be nice if they'd use a stock ISC dhclient though

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raf_k:

damn, guess its a firmware bug...

[12:30:00]

raf_k:

plug the box in while running windows => reboot => start linux => it works

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raf_k:

reboot again => doesnt work

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raf_k:

rofl

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raf_k:

was wrong

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raf_k:

now it works after reboot Oo

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raf_k:

plug in => plug out => plug in => doesnt work

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raf_k:

Oo

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Juski:

quit

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raf_k:

guess i got to take at the code, seems to be a problem with the derigister part when hotplugging Oo

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raf_k:

*take a look*

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raf_k:

*deregister*

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raf_k:

Oo

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jusk1:

oo I can save as much as 5MB by removing unwanted charmaps & locales

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jusk1:

:-/

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gardengnome:

well, that's 5mb. ;)

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Beirdo:

enough to put 5MB more porn in there

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jusk1:

5.. yeah.. only another 10x that to get rid of somehow

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jusk1:

oops 100x

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gardengnome:

ooooh, porn!

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gardengnome:

anyone seen pirates xxx?

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gardengnome:

awesome story. shitty porn. :/

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Beirdo:

you just got logged :)

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jusk1:

shitty porn? I don't wanna hear about that

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Beirdo:

silly gardengnome

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gardengnome:

Beirdo: so what?

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

hope your significant other doesn't find it? :)

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gardengnome:

Beirdo: i never said i watched it alone...

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Beirdo:

hahah :)

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Beirdo:

OK

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raf_k:

:P

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gardengnome:

;)

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Beirdo:

BRB

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Beirdo:

finally

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

OK, time to turn on the next server. :)

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raf_k:

yeah, got it running :) was a firmware version issue (i had used the fw from linuxtv.org, now i'm using the firmware from the hauppauge cd [just hat to extract it]) and everything works fine :)

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gardengnome:

congrats :)

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raf_k:

:)(

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raf_k:

-(

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jusk1:

I can see me throwing this install away & using something more erm.. compact

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qu0zl:

Juski, you know the 1 laptop per child project? They use a modern stripped down fedora core install. Might be of interest for your project? I think they have to fit it in half a gig of flash

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qu0zl:

i know a friend of mine was thinking of using it as a basis for a pvr

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jusk1:

hell even knoppmyth fits on a cd, even with all the installation cruft

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Merlin83b:

Possibly compressed pre installation?

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gardengnome:

jusk1: that "installation cruft" is a few kilobytes of bash scripts ;)

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gardengnome:

and yes, knoppmyth resides on a compressed file system.

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jusk1:

but erm.. minimyth – although compressed, fits into 64MB

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jusk1:

go figure

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booper:

anyone know what happened to XBMC MythTV?

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Jelte41:

hi there... I've just upgraded to 0.19 from 0.18. Mythweb works for me, but when I go to the 'recorded programs' section it just sits there... looking though the logs, I see my backend is now going crazy. Loads of messages like: can not open /media/recordings//xxxxxxxxxx.nuv.png

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Jelte41:

the problem is the double slash infront of the png file... where would that be set / going wrong?

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booper:

maybe in your config file you put a trailing slash?

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booper:

although i've never had a problem with a double slash affecting things

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Jelte41:

hmm the mythweb config file?

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Jelte41:

i'll have a look when I get home tonight... to be honest, the bigger problem is that now channel changing takes FOREVER... it was ok on 0.18 but not on 0.19 (using DVB-T in the UK)

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jusk1:

booper: it's still around on sourceforge AFAIK

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Jelte41:

but someone said that should be fixed in 0.19.1

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Jelte41:

(or rather 0.19-fixes)

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jusk1:

Jelte41: not fixed in 0.19.1.. more 0.20

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Jelte41:

juski1: really? hmmm in that case maybe I ought to revert back to 0.18 :-(

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jusk1:

just don't use livetv then

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booper:

and the project page has a screenshot and the files are still there

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booper:

maybe i can find the info i'm looking for in the tar file

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jusk1:

Jelte41: try using browse mode all the time

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Jelte41:

jusk1: still takes forever to swap channels, and seems to hang everynow and then... this worked ok on 0.18 .. i mean it was not lightening fast, but do'able

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Jelte41:

it's gone from a few seconds per switch to almost a min!

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jusk1:

Jelte41: svn is very quick

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Jelte41:

hmm I've used the debian packages on http://deb.thehunter.ws/.... they also have some svn packages there... maybe I should give them a go

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jusk1:

:-)

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fatmatt:

is there somwhere with 0.18 packages?

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DrNickRiviera:

the ubuntu repositories have 0.18 packages

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fatmatt:

I'm using debian

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qu0zl:

should still be able to install the ubuntu mythtv packages

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qu0zl:

add the repository then apt-get install them, and it should pull them and just their requirements down

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qu0zl:

with luck!

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fatmatt:

hmm, think I tried them a while ago, as in a few versions, I'm not tempted to repeat that. Was dependency hell, not sure why, versions didn't match very well.

[14:01:43]

qu0zl:

i did it with debian sarge. i think it was from breezy badger not dapper

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qu0zl:

i moved to ubuntu in the end though. much easier for me as it had an uptodate xorg

[14:02:37]

fatmatt:

a number of "you need packagex >=1.2.4 and packagex=1.2.3 is to be installed... " started making my head hurt,

[14:02:53]

fatmatt:

I've been thinking about ubuntu..

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fatmatt:

I'll possibly have a hard drive reload in a few weeks, might give it a shot then.

[14:03:36]

qu0zl:

I love debian, but for my hardware ubuntu was easier. I had to compile xorg from source on debian :)

[14:03:50]

fatmatt:

ick, never had to do that.

[14:03:56]

qu0zl:

it's slow

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fatmatt:

I had a hdd failure a few weeks ago, started using the packages from backports.org and openoffice takes forever to start, it wasn't fast to start with.

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jusk1:

this is frustrating. uncompressed, minimyth is still <128MB

[14:31:49]

jusk1:

even with extra themes in it

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Merlin83b:

Could you just use that as a base instead?

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jusk1:

I suppose I could, but that's not the point

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Merlin83b:

Fair enough :-)

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jusk1:

gentoo should boil down to less than 1GB, surely

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Merlin83b:

You would hope.

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jusk1:

though I think minimyth is only built with bare essentials from scratch

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jusk1:

extraneous languages – be gone!

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Merlin83b:

Heh.

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jusk1:

will anyone actually _need_ win32 codecs?

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Merlin83b:

Nah

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jusk1:

X? nah

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jusk1:

filesystems? prolly not...

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jusk1:

look I got it down to 1kB! Oh, you want to be able to _use_ it. ahhh

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erinspice:

I searched google and the forum for this and couldn't find anything. How do you create video playlists for myth?

[15:13:19]

jusk1:

as in mythvideo?

[15:13:45]

erinspice:

Not sure, hubby says it can be done, but I can't find any information on how to do it.

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jusk1:

you can't do it in mythvdieo

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jusk1:

mythvideo even

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jusk1:

but in mythfrontend you can add recordings to a playlist

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erinspice:

I'm not familiar with mythvideo, is that differnet from mythtv?

[15:14:21]

erinspice:

oh!

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erinspice:

ok i can do that

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erinspice:

Do you know where it is in the UI?

[15:15:14]

jusk1:

press M or the right arrow while you have a recording selected (i.e. instead of pressing select when you highlight it)

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erinspice:

Thanks! i really s hould have been able to figure that out. Now how do I play a playlist?

[15:23:32]

jusk1:

just play

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jusk1:

iirc it should play everything

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jusk1:

woo.. down to 770MB

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Zider:

you could make a file list in a .txt file and configure myth to use mplayer/xine/whatever to play it as a playlist ;)

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Zider:

that's how I do it

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erinspice:

just play what? There is no playlist listed under recordings or videos...

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Zider:

imo, there should be a filetype setting for .pls too.. but.. ;)

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erinspice:

I really just need something quick. I'm about to stick my dau in front of the tv while I shower

[15:26:35]

erinspice:

I made a playlist, now how do I play it?

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jusk1:

can a frontend live without PERL do you reckon?

[15:27:58]

erinspice:

jusk what did you mean by "just play"

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erinspice:

I don't have any playlists listed under recordings or videos

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jams:

jusk1- works fine EXCEPT for mythvideo

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jams:

and mythflix

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erinspice:

Does anyone here know how to play a vid playlist? Do you just play one file and the rest will follow? I can't find anything about the playlist I just made in the UI

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jusk1:

while you are in the watch recordings menu press I (info) and it should become clear

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jusk1:

it's mentioned in the wiki ;-)

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cythrault:

i've been having problem tuning with my dvb-s card using the latest svn. looks like my fec for my multiplexes were all reset to 7/8. i'm trying to set them back the way they wore but i can't tune to a mplex with the value from the nit (7/8) or from lyngsat (5/6, for example)

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cythrault:

if i use 4/5 sometimes it works, sometimes it dosen't. in theses cases, settings the fec to auto will do the trick.

[16:02:44]

cythrault:

i'm not familiar with the svb standard, but i was wondering what would be the impact of settings the fec for all mplexes to auto...

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cythrault:

-svb+dvb

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jasta:

xris :)

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xris:

?

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jusk1:

cythrault: as with any 'auto' settings, YMMV ;-)

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Zider:

ohh, update of mythstream.. that fixes what I was just annoyed by ;)

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REUS:

high

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REUS:

i'm wondering howto remove a videocard from yast ... as it don't wanne remove itself

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REUS:

high

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REUS:

cx88

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Dagmar:

How exactly do you remove hardware from software?

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REUS:

yast tv

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REUS:

>>suse

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** Beirdo starts up his publicradiograbber scripts ;) **

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REUS:

what other ways do i have to remove the driver ?

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Dagmar:

Oh, if you want to disable a driver module, just stick "alias modulename off" in /etc/modules.conf

[17:13:05]

Dagmar:

like "alias cx88 off"

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Dagmar:

One depmod later and it will no longer load that module again

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Dagmar:

It can probably be done with SUSE's configuration tools as well, but this just goes straight to the kernel and should work everywhere

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REUS:

thkx

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Aid`:

hello for some reason when i select a recording everything seems to be going good then when i go and try to watch it with mplayer, the audio works like a charm but video doesn't seem to work at all. Then if i go to playback in Mythfrontend the little preview of the recorded show plays the video. If i press enter to select and watch it the watch tv shows up i can hear sound, but the video has green lines over it and i cannot see any

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AngryElf1:

Aid`, ivtv?

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Dagmar:

Sounds like the wrong firmware, or something is really severely broken in his video driver

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Dagmar:

...and by thta I mean wrong firmware burned into the video card. People who do that to ATI cards are begging for problems

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Juski:

people who own ATI cards get _that_ desperate? rofl

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Juski:

evening Coume

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Coume:

hiya

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Dagmar:

There used to be quite a number of sites up with modified BIOSes for ATI cards to "unlock" them into more expensive card performance

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Coume:

evening Juski

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Coume:

how is it going?

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AngryElf1:

where are you guys that it's evening now?

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Coume:

UK :)

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Juski:

Coume: not bad, not bad at all. just about to check my s100 mythfrontend still works after today's messing about

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Aid`:

AngryElf1, v4l you mean?

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AngryElf1:

isn't that the sad cycle? :( get everything working, then decide something could be a little better and end up breaking it

[17:36:11]

Coume:

Juski, eheh :) I received my CF-to-IDE and bought the power lead... so I just made a DSL install... I'm now trying to find out how apt-get works :) lol I'm too used to gentoo

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scopeuk:

AngryElf1 isent that kinda the hwole meaning of life thing

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gardengnome:

that's what backups are for

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gardengnome:

heya Coume!

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Coume:

hiya gardengnome, how is it going?

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scopeuk:

you all playign with those s100 boxes?

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Juski:

DSL uses apt? that's DSL out of the equation for me then

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gardengnome:

scopeuk: nope, cleaning the couch atm (no GF jokes. it was the cats' fault)

[17:37:06]

gardengnome:

Juski: why?

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Juski:

yay mythtv still works despite my mangling of directories

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gardengnome:

Coume: quite fine. and for you? got your shipment from spreadshirt yet?

[17:37:27]

Coume:

scopeuk, not me :) just trying to use my pundit with a CF-to-IDE so it is very silent

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Dagmar:

DSL gets updates?

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Dagmar:

I figured you'd just download new floppy images

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: you can install the apt database

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Aid`:

my video capture works fine on xawtv but it can't record under mythtv ...

[17:38:07]

Coume:

gardengnome, nop I got a email saying they have some days of backorder... pfffff

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Juski:

Aid`: does the video preview look okay?

[17:38:30]

Juski:

Coume: but you ordered that thing ages ago didn't you?

[17:38:32]

** Coume find too difficult the dependies thingies with apt-get :/ **

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gardengnome:

Coume: sucky.

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gardengnome:

Coume: gotta order that thong ;)

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gardengnome:

Coume: apt-get is dead-easy as long as you don't have any broken/unstable entries in your sources.list

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Coume:

Juski, on sunday – normaly it is 3–5 working day to get them printed and send the sipment

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Juski:

ah

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Juski:

somewhere I once read about a nice little util that goes through all your system's libs & tells you which ones you can safely rip out.. anyone any ideas what it might've been?

[17:40:54]

Aid`:

Juski: yeah it does. It is wierd. When i goto watch tv it appears to be using the wrong video driver, but then i can mencoder it and the picture is fine. What my problem is i can't watch the video when i set a recording and then i transcode that..

[17:41:45]

Dagmar:

XvMC?

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Dagmar:

Older nVidia card?

[17:41:49]

Juski:

sounds like something is up with 2 things: 1. your video driver. 2. your transcoding settings/installed codecs

[17:42:06]

Coume:

gardengnome, so I must be stupid then :)

[17:42:06]

Juski:

hmm /usr is still 536MB

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Aid`:

Juski: what can i do to find out?

[17:42:18]

gardengnome:

Coume: hehe ;)

[17:42:21]

Dagmar:

If you have X, KDE and Myth installed, that's not too far off the mark

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Juski:

Coume: given the limited timeframe, stick with what you know ;-)

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gardengnome:

Juski: /usr/src?

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Juski:

(as I'm trying to do)

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gardengnome:

536mb is quite huge

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Juski:

gardengnome: 0

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Dagmar:

You could probably stand to remove the localizations that aren't in English

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gardengnome:

Juski: k

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Juski:

portage is gone, manpages --gone... src... gone

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Coume:

Juski, I think gentoo will take too much space :/

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Juski:

locales down to around 5MB

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Aid`:

Dagmar: i have X, kde, myth and gnome installed

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Dagmar:

Sounds like it's time to du -s * in /usr/share

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Juski:

14MB in cursors, 44MB in fonts!

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Aid`:

so can anyone help out?

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kormoc:

bitmap fonts for the win!

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Juski:

so ttf fonts are somewhere else?

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kormoc:

nope, they are there as well

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Coume:

Juski, which distro are u using for the s100?

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Dagmar:

They're in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TTF in 6.8.x

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Juski:

Coume: gentoo

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kormoc:

but bitmap fonts tend to take up the space

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Dagmar:

/usr/share/fonts is the FDO place for them that hardly anyone uses afaik

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Coume:

Juski, so is your install 536?

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Aid`:

CAn someone help me configure mythtv to use my video driver?

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Dagmar:

Aid`: What *video card* do you have?

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kormoc:

Dagmar, gentoo uses them, and others are moving that way slowly

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Dagmar:

Well, that's good

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Aid`:

I always use vidix driver in Xine

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Dagmar:

Aid`: What *video card* do you have?

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Aid`:

i dont, its an on motherboard one

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Dagmar:

Okay. I give up.

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kormoc:

Aid`, you have what is known as a intigrated video card, but it's still a video card

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Dagmar:

I can't do this this morning.

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Aid`:

im relatively new to linux im sorry

[17:47:37]

Dug02_:

I am trying to play an mp3 with mplayer to test why my movies are nt playing mp3 audio... the codec loads and it plays but no sound comes out of the speakers.... but when I choose mythtv mp3 player the music plays fine? even if I point mplayer to the exact alsa audio device it still wont play?

[17:47:38]

Aid`:

i dont know the ins and outs yet

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kormoc:

Aid`, well, this isn't really linux related, this is just hardware related

[17:48:09]

Aid`:

kormoc: well i can't physically open up my computer and look....

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kormoc:

Aid`, basically, vidix is a VIDeo Interface for *Nix, so basically you are just saying you use the generic video driver, which doesn't help at all

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Dagmar:

Aid`: You can `lspci | grep VGA` and tell us what it says

[17:48:43]

kormoc:

Aid`, well, no, you can't. but you can look it up online based on your motherboard

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Aid`:

AngryElf1

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Aid`:

sorry

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Aid`:

0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. VT8375 [ProSavage8 KM266/KL266]

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Dagmar:

Euw

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Dagmar:

Is that a notebook?

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Aid`:

no a tower

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Aid`:

anyways, if i goto Watch TV and then that records for awhile i can encode that file and the video works

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Dagmar:

Are you using the 'savage' driver?

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Aid`:

hmm i dont even have x-window-system installed, that may be a problem?

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Dagmar:

god

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Dagmar:

You KINDA NEED THAT if you're going to use MythTV, dude.

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cythrault:

god won't help

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Dagmar:

It won't work without it

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Aid`:

well, its installed but how do i configure it

[17:54:17]

Aid`:

sitnalled it

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cythrault:

dagmar; no true. you can use fb :)

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gardengnome:

good luck.

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Aid`:

i just installed it

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Dagmar:

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=168951

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Dagmar:

You do not have what could even laughably be called a newbie-friendly card

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Dagmar:

It's supposed to be able to work correctly, but instead of mucking with it, I'd at least dig through the mythTV configuration dialogs and tell it to never use XvMC and see if that just gets around it for how

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Dagmar:

s/how/now/

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Aid`:

do you know if that is in mythsetup or frontend(just to save me sometime)

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xris:

cythrault: pretty sure the framebuffer code doesn't work (well) anymore.

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kormoc:

Aid`, frontend

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kormoc:

Aid`, and can you just toss in a nvidia card?

[17:59:02]

** Coume will reformat and give a go to gentoo... **

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Aid`:

i dont know if its nvidia but ill go check

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Aid`:

i have an extra one

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Aid`:

will that work

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kormoc:

it will be much easier to setup, aye

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Aid`:

ok ill be back soon

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Aid`:

thx kormoc

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Aid`:

the nvidia card is in

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Aid`:

but i have a problem now, X wont start

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kormoc:

well yeah

[18:11:39]

kormoc:

you'll need to install the nvidia drivers

[18:11:43]

kormoc:

http://www.nvidia.com

[18:11:48]

kormoc:

and then reconfigure X

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Aid`:

how do i configure there?

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kormoc:

depending on your distro, it might be a bit easier

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Aid`:

im in the console i dont know how to navigate in here

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Aid`:

so what im saying is, i can't really get to a website

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Juski:

re

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kormoc:

what distro are you using Aid`?

[18:18:12]

Aid`:

debian

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Aid`:

debian sarge

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plod:

lynx?

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cythrault:

elinks?

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Aid`:

i dont see a driver

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kormoc:

Aid`, try this

[18:22:15]

kormoc:

apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-common

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kormoc:

m-a prepare

[18:22:23]

kormoc:

m-a auto-install nvidia

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kormoc:

apt-get install nvidia-glx

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Aid`:

ok, im on dialup so it'll be awhile till i get all thise downloaded

[18:27:20]

Juski:

weird. I can't see how minimyth stores its fonts

[18:30:20]

Juski:

aha. so minimyth only has ttf fonts

[18:30:43]

Juski:

apart from xine which has bitmaps tgz'd ( a smatterring of em)

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Juski:

heh. moving the bitmap fonts out of the way seems to have made no difference to mythtv

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Juski:

in for a penny... away they go

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Juski:

hi _willcooke_

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_willcooke_:

hello!

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** _willcooke_ is too damn hot **

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Juski:

slightly cooler here than it was yesterday. I might even sleep tonight

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Juski:

hmm.. now down to 708MB

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Juski:

need to shave some more off... like about 450MB

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kormoc:

jusk1, for deployment, you can wipe out /var/db

[18:49:32]

kormoc:

jusk1, which is about 100 megs on my boxes

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kormoc:

jusk1, same with /var/cache/edb

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kormoc:

(assuming no upgradeability)

[18:50:39]

Juski:

that'd be another 120MB saved!

[18:50:40]

kormoc:

(for the deployed images)

[18:51:18]

Juski:

I'm just experimenting right now, I've decided to trim as much fat as I can get away with

[18:51:23]

kormoc:

jusk1, also of course /usr/portage and cleaning out /tmp

[18:51:29]

** kormoc nods **

[18:51:46]

Ryushin:

Is there a way to tell a show to transcode or commflag from mythweb?

[18:51:49]

Juski:

I can repeat what I've done so far quite easily (I hope)

[18:52:10]

stuarta:

Ryushin: only in the scheduling, you can't trigger a job from mythweb

[18:52:21]

Ryushin:

bummer.

[18:52:22]

kormoc:

jusk1, and of course /usr/tmp

[18:52:33]

Juski:

/usr/tmp is already empty

[18:52:45]

kormoc:

and /var/tmp

[18:53:14]

Ryushin:

How about when using the frontend, is there a way to tell which recordings have been transcoded and those that have not?

[18:53:26]

Juski:

kormoc: /var/tmp is currently 3MB :-)

[18:53:29]

kormoc:

heh

[18:53:39]

kormoc:

just going over areas I've seem extra files :)

[18:53:57]

kormoc:

jusk1, you could wipe the docs as well

[18:53:59]

Juski:

the hard part of this is gonna be trimming unwanted libs

[18:54:19]

kormoc:

jusk1, 83 megs on my boxes or so, and I very rarely use them

[18:54:24]

kormoc:

as man pages tend to work better

[18:54:39]

kormoc:

jusk1, yeah...

[18:54:42]

Juski:

kormoc: I'm quickly running out of obvious stuff to delete ;-) portage is gone, src is gone, man is gone, docs.. gone. bitmap fonts are also gone

[18:54:55]

Ryushin:

Oh, and I remember Captain_Murdoch was working on multiple storage nodes/devices. Has anyone heard the status of that.

[18:55:04]

kormoc:

jusk1, /usr/share?

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Juski:

/usr/share is 107MB

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Juski:

perl can go I _think_

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kormoc:

you can likely trim that down on a per-package basis

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** Juski googles aclocal **

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Juski:

that can go I reckon

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GreyFoxx:

3

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GreyFoxx:

oops

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Juski:

hiya GreyFoxx.. been meaning to hassle you actually ;-)

[19:01:50]

Juski:

could I possibly have a look at the kernel patch you did for the integrated intel vga stuff please?

[19:02:38]

Coume:

Juski, did you read this http://gentoo-wiki.com/TinyGentoo ?

[19:02:55]

Juski:

Coume: no I didn't...

[19:03:18]

Coume:

I just found it and might have gave me an idea to play around :)

[19:04:31]

GreyFoxx:

Juski: Actualy I'm just about to extract it since I was gonna try applying it to a newer kernel

[19:04:35]

GreyFoxx:

hold on

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GreyFoxx:

I'm having really fscked up nfs performance on this box, so I'm gonna try another kernel

[19:05:50]

Juski:

GreyFoxx: I got the intel binary driver working, all apart from dri, which I gather is what your patch is for

[19:06:28]

GreyFoxx:

Well, the patch I have is from the IEGD driver tarball. All I did was update it to go in happily in a newer kernel

[19:06:46]

Juski:

yeh it was only for 2.6.6 or something IIRC

[19:06:50]

GreyFoxx:

yeah

[19:07:40]

Juski:

I had a look at it but was scared off on account of not knowing what I was doing ;-)

[19:07:44]

GreyFoxx:

heh

[19:08:05]

GreyFoxx:

I'm currently using it with 2.6.15.5, gonna try it with 2.6.16.20 shortly

[19:08:33]

GreyFoxx:

It's taking diff forever to process the two kernel directories :)

[19:08:36]

Juski:

btw I looked into shipping costs for you.. very expensive for the package in question

[19:08:46]

GreyFoxx:

ahhh

[19:08:54]

GreyFoxx:

How much was it ?

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Juski:

cheapest I found was £50 or so, uninsured

[19:09:16]

GreyFoxx:

doh

[19:09:17]

GreyFoxx:

hgeh

[19:09:20]

GreyFoxx:

not suprising I guess

[19:09:27]

GreyFoxx:

they have 128 meg of ram in them right ?

[19:09:30]

Juski:

yup

[19:09:42]

Juski:

mythfrontend is very comfortable with that actually

[19:09:45]

Aid`:

kormoc: i have all those things installed, now what?

[19:09:55]

GreyFoxx:

Juski: You using SVN or 0.19 ?

[19:09:59]

Juski:

0.19

[19:10:06]

Juski:

no dri, see ;-)

[19:10:09]

GreyFoxx:

heh

[19:10:42]

Juski:

trying to pare gentoo down to a managable size... getting difficult now

[19:11:00]

kormoc:

Aid`, md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 >| /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum

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Juski:

think I might just start again tomorrow with a different approach

[19:11:09]

kormoc:

Aid`, pkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86

[19:11:21]

kormoc:

Aid`, and pick the nvidia driver when prompted

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: I went through and dropped anything running I could avoid

[19:11:28]

Juski:

(but keep this one handy)

[19:11:32]

GreyFoxx:

but right now I'm seeing some reaslly watch nfs performance problems

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kormoc:

jusk1, how low are you now?

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Juski:

557MB

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kormoc:

not too bad...

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GreyFoxx:

2 nfs mounted partitions (mounted from the same source machine , same drive) ... copy from A to B takes 1.5 seconds, copy from B to A takes 18 seconds

[19:12:11]

GreyFoxx:

same mount options

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Juski:

it was 2.5GB when I started today

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kormoc:

Aid`, when asked about X server modules, unselect GLCore, unselect dri, and select glx

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Juski:

right – a few things to do.. brb

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** kormoc waves **

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Aid`:

ok kormoc can i restart X without restarting my box?

[19:16:19]

kormoc:

Aid`, yes

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Aid`:

mind telling me how

[19:17:01]

kormoc:

well, can hit crtl alt backspace to kill the X server and then it should restart

[19:17:12]

kormoc:

if it doesn't, at the prompt, just type startx and it will start up

[19:17:24]

Aid`:

well it already is stopped because it wasn't configured for the card

[19:17:32]

kormoc:

then just type startx

[19:17:57]

Aid`:

ok brb (going to my x display)

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Coume:

OT: What is the name in English on the small plastic or metal thingie that you use the fix your motherboard to the case?

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kormoc:

Coume, screws? risers?

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stuarta:

Coume: doo-hickey

[19:18:50]

stuarta:

thing-a-ma-jig

[19:18:55]

Coume:

ok let me check google image to see if it's that :)

[19:19:26]

kormoc:

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/imageview.php?image=616

[19:19:40]

kormoc:

spacers are the first one (I've heard them called risers as well)

[19:19:44]

kormoc:

then screws and finally washers

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Coume:

yeah that's the thing :)

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Coume:

IIRC, I already saw some in plastic that you can stick to a case... I need to find some to fix my CF-to-IDE inside my pundit

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Aid`:

driver installation was a success :)

[19:22:26]

kormoc:

nifty

[19:22:44]

dev:

is there a way to turnoff myth's funtionality of doing duplicate detection by program id's?

[19:22:55]

dev:

from what i can see, if program id's are there, myth automiatlcally uses them..

[19:23:20]

dev:

zap2it is screwing up program ids in my area... can i force myth to use description/subtitle for duplicate detection?

[19:23:39]

Aid`:

uch thanks kormoc:) it works

[19:23:41]

Aid`:

much

[19:23:47]

kormoc:

you're welcome

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kormoc:

dev, you could just run a query to make them unique as well

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Aid`:

:)

[19:24:22]

dev:

kormoc: i dont see how i could do that... this is happening for just about every show..

[19:24:30]

dev:

for some reason, zap2it data only has 4 digit program ids

[19:24:35]

dev:

on random shows

[19:24:48]

dev:

meaning lots of duplicates for a series :(

[19:24:55]

dev:

ive emailed them twice, and posted to their forum, no responses

[19:24:55]

Aid`:

woohoo! :):)

[19:25:31]

dev:

the second email i left out that i was a myth user, as apparently they dont like us heh

[19:26:02]

GreyFoxx:

Oh? Last I read they loved us

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dev:

from what i read in here they dont

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GreyFoxx:

especially since we were the first, and last I read the only to honour the flag on when to next check for listings

[19:26:28]

dev:

oh well.. i dont care about that really, i just wish they'd respond to me

[19:26:43]

dev:

either telling me its my problem and their data is fine, or saying they're working on it or ackknoledgeing it or something

[19:27:25]

kormoc:

dev, you could say, UPDATE program SET programid = CONCAT(programid, left(rand(), 8) GROUP BY title, subtitle, description;

[19:27:26]

dev:

every morning for the last 5 days ive had to go through recordings for that day and schedule several manually and unschedule others

[19:27:31]

kormoc:

dev, would need to test it

[19:28:00]

dev:

kormoc: that would just assign a random number, if/when they fix this those shows would all be re-recorded

[19:28:07]

kormoc:

indeed

[19:28:12]

kormoc:

but it would fix it for now

[19:28:25]

dev:

sort of.. a big problem is repeats

[19:28:30]

dev:

those would still not get detected

[19:28:38]

kormoc:

hrm

[19:28:50]

kormoc:

that is true, it would only detect repeats in the next 14 days or what not

[19:28:55]

dev:

there's no way i can tell myth to ignore program ids and go by description/subtitle instead then?

[19:28:58]

kormoc:

you could just set programid to null

[19:29:04]

dev:

ah

[19:29:15]

dev:

that would do it i think

[19:29:57]

dev:

GreyFoxx: got any contacts over there at zap2it you could forward an email from me to? :)

[19:30:06]

dev:

id be much appreciative and give great user support for a month in return

[19:30:07]

dev:

hehe

[19:31:18]

dev:

i tried lineups@ and labs@, no response from either, found both addies in the forusm

[19:33:26]

dev:

you guys dont think i could have possibly done something on my side to cause this..

[19:33:42]

dev:

id looked at everything i could think of, dont get any errors, and its apparently random

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Juski:

re

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[19:43:37]

dev:

heh nice

[19:43:50]

dev:

i just blew away all my listings nad refresh-all and now every show has a 4digit program id

[19:44:07]

eidolon:

hey, what controls the font size on the mythtv menus? (0.19.mumble). i'm running a large monitor now, but the fonts are all small. i went into setup, selected 'big' for my fonts, but no change.

[19:44:54]

dev:

in settings -> appearnace

[19:45:00]

dev:

font sizes are in there

[19:45:18]

Aid`:

hey, do i have to have mythfrontend open for it to record my shows?

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marmoset:

Aid`: no

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Aid`:

ok

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dev:

2006-06–12 15:48:23.138 MSqlQuery: INSERT INTO dd_program (programid, title, subtitle, description, showtype, category_type, mpaarating, starrating, stars, runtime, year, seriesid, colorcode, syndicatedepisodenumber, originalairdate) VALUES('EP7331290029','Deadliest Catch','Cashing In','The end of the season approaches and the fleet pushes the fishing into overdrive.','Series','series','','',0,NULL,'','SH733129','','22','2006-06– 13')

[19:49:06]

dev:

hrm

[19:49:15]

dev:

that would show its getting put into myth correctly

[19:49:17]

dev:

er

[19:49:18]

dev:

mysql

[19:50:28]

dev:

Program ID:

[19:50:30]

dev:

EP7331

[19:50:32]

dev:

wow so myth is fucked up

[19:51:18]

marmoset:

dev

[19:51:19]

marmoset:

er

[19:51:29]

marmoset:

dev: maybe, depends, where's that 2nd number coming from?

[19:51:34]

dev:

mythweb

[19:51:40]

dev:

but ive checked mythfrontend and it has the same problem

[19:51:45]

marmoset:

hmm

[19:51:50]

marmoset:

what does the database say about it?

[19:51:52]

dev:

im checking mysql now

[19:51:54]

dev:

yeah checking

[19:52:17]

dev:

my mysqlfu sucks

[19:52:21]

dev:

takes me a bit

[19:52:21]

dev:

heh

[19:53:07]

dev:

where the heck is dd_program heh

[19:53:17]

Juski:

bye bye gcc ;-)

[19:53:44]

dev:

the database has 4 digits

[19:53:55]

dev:

so mythfilldatabase shows the correct program id

[19:54:06]

dev:

but mysql has the wrong 4digit one

[19:54:13]

dev:

hrm

[19:54:19]

kormoc:

dev,

[19:54:23]

kormoc:

DESCRIBE program;

[19:54:30]

kormoc:

see what size programid is set to

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marmoset:

yeah

[19:54:38]

marmoset:

what kormoc said ;)

[19:54:54]

marmoset:

mine's varchar(20)

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dev:

programid | varchar(6)

[19:55:02]

dev:

damn

[19:55:03]

kormoc:

yeah

[19:55:03]

marmoset:

there you go

[19:55:04]

dev:

that would be it

[19:55:17]

kormoc:

UPDATE program SET programid VARCHAR(20);

[19:55:33]

marmoset:

kormoc: it's not an alter?

[19:55:36]

kormoc:

erm

[19:55:38]

marmoset:

or is that a synonym?

[19:55:39]

kormoc:

yes, yes it is

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marmoset:

ok

[19:55:47]

dev:

syntax error

[19:55:51]

kormoc:

yeah...

[19:56:01]

kormoc:

ALTER program UPDATE programid VARCHAR(20)

[19:56:11]

dev:

syntax error

[19:56:12]

dev:

hrm

[19:56:14]

marmoset:

alter table program

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marmoset:

sec

[19:56:17]

dev:

oh

[19:56:23]

marmoset:

I think that's right tho

[19:56:23]

kormoc:

yeah

[19:56:30]

dev:

syntax error

[19:56:33]

kormoc:

ALTER TABLE program MODIFY programid VARCHAR(20);

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marmoset:

ok hold on

[19:56:34]

kormoc:

god

[19:56:36]

marmoset:

there

[19:56:37]

marmoset:

hehe

[19:56:40]

kormoc:

why did I have such a brain-fart

[19:56:42]

marmoset:

that is right

[19:56:44]

dev:

nice!

[19:56:57]

kormoc:

Yeah, I know sql... :P

[19:57:27]

dev:

can i put the rest of the output from describe program into a pastebin for you guys to look at?

[19:57:31]

dev:

im concerned about the other tables

[19:57:36]

kormoc:

sure

[19:57:36]

dev:

i have no diea how this changed

[19:58:17]

dev:

http://pastebin.com/705010

[19:59:19]

kormoc:

dev, http://pastebin.ca/64914

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kormoc:

dev, there's mine

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dev:

wow lots of differences

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kormoc:

I am running 0.19-fixes

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dev:

same

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dev:

i moved to a new backend, that was about when this started happening. but i thought mysql settings moved with the databases and such. i literally shutdown mysql tar'd up /var/lib/mysql and scp'd it over..

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marmoset:

dev: that would have copied over yet

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marmoset:

er

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marmoset:

yes

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dev:

hrm interesting

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dev:

thanks alot you guys, i totally appreciate it heh

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marmoset:

I think it's kind of unfortunate how the myth database generation is, I wish there was just a .sql somewhere you could use to recreate everything :)

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Juski:

oo down to 404MB

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kormoc:

nifty

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Juski:

and it still works AFAICT

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kormoc:

marmoset, yeah, I've been pondering doing something to do that

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marmoset:

when I screwed up my db like a year ago I spent a while looking for the raw sql file before realizing it just didn't exist, had to cut/paste/sed/awk from the source ;)

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kormoc:

well, if your db table is just empty, running mythtv-setup will re-create it I beleive

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marmoset:

It's neat that there are auto-alters when you upgrade though

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marmoset:

kormoc: it's been a while, I don't remember if it did or not, or if there were issues

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kormoc:

I was thinking to write a path to mythtv-setup to do --database-recreate or similar, which drops the tables and starts over

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Juski:

cursors... should I just leave default on its own?

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kormoc:

jusk1, I would think that would be fine

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marmoset:

kormoc: that, or to print out the sql that would be needed to do it

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gardengnome:

just get backups? ;)

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marmoset:

kormoc: then you could either >file to do something else with it, or |mysql to actually do it

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kormoc:

yeah, or could do both ways

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kormoc:

--recreate-database-dump

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Juski:

gardengnome: I think – sod it.. if it breaks I start over with something else. I know it'll work now (and how to do it) ;-)

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kormoc:

or similar

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Juski:

I have a backup of / but I'm not sure how far I can trust it

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Juski:

390MB.. this is looking much more like it now

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gardengnome:

Juski: no, i was talking to the dazabase guys ;)

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Juski:

I'll call it 'DFL' when I'm done.. "damn fucked linux"

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gardengnome:

sounds cool

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stuarta:

why not JFL? (Juski's Fine Linux)

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Coume:

Juski, but you cannot upgrade anymore the mythtv version after stripping down gentoo like that, right? you will need to reinstall from scratch?

[20:08:08]

Juski:

or Plebian... I sort of said it as a joke but someone said he liked the name

[20:08:23]

Juski:

Coume: this is an exhibition distro

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gardengnome:

Coume: i suppose he can just a new copy of portage and emerge --sync.

[20:08:36]

gardengnome:

should work.

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Juski:

not since I deleted the emerge command :-P

[20:09:00]

Coume:

lol

[20:09:17]

Juski:

and automake...

[20:09:22]

Juski:

(etc)

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kormoc:

and the db

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Coume:

I got a 2GB CF card so I won't play that much on space :)

[20:09:59]

Juski:

my 1GB stick will be with me tomorrow

[20:10:39]

Juski:

anyway in_theory_ I'd just be able to copy binaries across to the box, right?

[20:10:43]

Aid`:

is it normal for 30minute episode to take up 1.6gigs?

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Juski:

Aid`: welcome to software encoding

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Aid`:

im just wondering if it will encode by itself so i dont haev to use up all the disk space

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Coume:

Juski, yeah I think so as long as it is for the same box

[20:11:41]

Juski:

Aid`: you can tweak the recording profiles, but unless you make drastic changes you won't see much difference

[20:11:57]

Aid`:

like i can use mencoder to capture tv and i can get it decent quality and around 300mbs for a 20minute of tv

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Juski:

you can transcode to mpeg4 after recording.. if you have spare CPU power

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Aid`:

well is it possible to encode it after?

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Juski:

anyway.. I decided against doing a 'distro' a couple of days ago (as such)... I don't wanna start something I can't finish with a deadline approaching ;-)

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Juski:

longer-term, yeah though

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Juski:

Aid`: you can transcode to mpeg4 after recording.. if you have spare CPU power

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Aid`:

does it also remove the commercials?

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Juski:

if they've been flagged already, yes it can

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Juski:

ach well I broked it

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stuarta:

but not automatically. comm detection isn't reliable enough

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Aid`:

if they're flagged already does it remove automatically?

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stuarta:

Aid`: you have to make a cutlist by editing the recording.

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Juski:

what?! I deleted /usr/lib/gcc and it broke mythfrontend :-/

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Juski:

hmm that might just mean /usr/lib/gcc is a symlink

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Aid`:

so stuarta the list must be made automatically?

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stuarta:

Aid`: commflag make a list of where it 'thinks' the ads are.

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stuarta:

you can use these or set your own to make a cutlist

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stuarta:

which is used when transcoding.

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stuarta:

but it's a manual process

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Aid`:

yeah i did that with mencoder

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Aid`:

do you guys have cable?

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kormoc:

aye

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stuarta:

dvb-t here

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Juski:

working again... backup is kinda good then ;-)

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Juski:

so /usr/lib/gcc can't go..

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stuarta:

Juski: it'll most likely be the libgcc that's linked in

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Aid`:

i got directv

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Juski:

well 434MB from 2543MB ain't bad

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Aid`:

it sort of sucks... i have schedule my recordings around my familys viewing times

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Aid`:

how many weeks in advance can you get guides from zap2it

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Juski:

time to have another poke around in minimyth...

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Aid`:

has anyone ever recorded onto a 3rd hd before?

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Juski:

?

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Juski:

dev/hdc?

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Aid`:

i mean like hook up 3 hds

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** kormoc laughs **

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Aid`:

like does everyone just record to their main hd, or what?

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kormoc:

Aid`, people here have mythboxes with 12 drives with 5 tuners at times

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** stuarta mumbles something about mega raid arrays.... **

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Aid`:

kormoc: they dont have directv

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kormoc:

some do

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kormoc:

some capture directly from firewire on digital cable boxes

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kormoc:

some use dvb cards to capture directly from satalites

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grap:

Has anyobody set up timed syncs of recorded content to slave servers? I have a myth-box set up at home and want to have content available at work via something other than MythStream and do not have the bandwidth for a NFS mount.

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kormoc:

some use directtv boxes and ir blasters

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Aid`:

how can they get satellite signal directly? dont they need the access card/

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Aid`:

?

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kormoc:

grap, rsync -e ssh with a ssh key in cron would do the trick

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marmoset:

Aid`: if you're looking at needing more than one drive can do, you'll probably want to use either raid or lvm. it would be possible to mv files manually and symlink them, but that is a pain

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kormoc:

Aid`, in the UK, they don't need access cards

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Juski:

fewk! /usr/lib in minimyth is like 5MB !!

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kormoc:

Aid`, and in the us, there are free to air satalites that have free shows

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marmoset:

Aid`: I think zap2it gives you like 2 weeks of guide data at a time, but a surprising amount of stuff changes from day to day, I would recommend checking in once every day or two

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stuarta:

kormoc: there is free content on the european sat's but anything interesting is encrypted

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kormoc:

stuarta, ooh? fair nuff. not sure how the DVBers really do it

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Aid`:

what is a DVB exactly

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kormoc:

Digital Video Broadcast

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kormoc:

it's the format satalites tend to send their data in

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grap:

Thats what I was thinking. Is there something I need to do with the DB or is it just *honkey dory* as long as I transfer it over to the local storage.

[20:30:32]

Aid`:

like is there any card that can recieve and decode directv? (just as a satellite reciever can)?

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kormoc:

grap, well, if you want all the db stuff as well, you'd need to transfer over the database

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kormoc:

Aid`, no, but you can take from the direct tv box to the mythbox

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grap:

Actually, I am setting up the DB to replicate via the MySQL master/slave

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marmoset:

kormoc: if the slave servers are actual slaves (IE looking at the master for recording information), that should all just work

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Aid`:

how big are all of your hds (that you store mythtv on?)

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kormoc:

marmoset, I was assuming that his connection makes it a not real slave, but that is true

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kormoc:

Aid`, I use a 200 gb right now, gonna upgrade to dual 320s soon

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marmoset:

Aid`: myth machine is 600GB raid10, so 4x300

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Aid`:

how much do bigger hds cost?

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kormoc:

Aid`, www.newegg.com

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marmoset:

Aid`: newegg.com

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Aid`:

i got an 80gig and 40gig

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grap:

250gb here, in a 650gb usable Raid5

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Aid`:

do u guys like archive?

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kormoc:

sadly my desktop is 3x 320s, and it's mostly full

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Juski:

320GB is about the best price per GB right now

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grap:

Agreed

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Juski:

it's daft to buy 160Gb and lower capacities now unless you're really hard up... in which case you shouldn't be buying computer bits ;-)

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Aid`:

do you guys archive stuff is that why you need so many gigs?

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** Juski needs to find out which libraries are actually needed, and after seeing a bunch of <name>.so.1.0.x.y.z etc begins to wonder what that's all about. **

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grap:

I watch a lot of TV and hate to delete stuff ;P

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kormoc:

Aid`, I don't archive myself

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Juski:

very little is worth keeping, but I tend to keep stuff til I've watched it

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opello:

my 160 is plenty for myth with keeping just the latest 2 or 3 episodes around

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Aid`:

which rpm hd is best?

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Juski:

when I _do_ archive it's usually for my wife and I take lots of care to do a good job

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opello:

although i do have a 250 sitting around for it :)

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kormoc:

Aid`, the faster the better

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Juski:

Aid`: I'm not sure you can still buy 3.5 inch 5400 RPM HDDs, so 7200 is fine

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stuarta:

Juski: needs to play with ldd

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Aid`:

i figure since i only record from like 10:30 to 9am so i dont need too big of one if i just encode it in the other hrs

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Juski:

stuarta: ldd? feeling outta my depth here ;-)

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Juski:

ooo... "ldd prints the shared libraries required by each program or shared library specified on the command line"

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stuarta:

ldd /usr/local/bin/mythfrontend, shows the loadable library dependencies

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Aid`:

so tell me more about 'myth boxes' im interested

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Juski:

what's there to tell?

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grap:

kormoc, how much bandwidth do you think the normal slave operations would require?

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stuarta:

box + card + disk space = mythbox

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marmoset:

grap: almost nothing if you have the content local

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kormoc:

grap, well, shouldn't be much, just general db traffic and keep alive things

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Juski:

omg... I'm gonna save reams of space here

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grap:

Right, so I might as well set it up as a full blown slave but just have it use local storage that will get updated at night via rsync

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marmoset:

Aid`: a 250GB drive is like $100, you will save yourself much pain by having a decent amount of storage

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grap:

Any idea what happens when the DB thinks there should be a local program that has not synced over yet?

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marmoset:

grap: yeah, I'd say try it that way first, rather than a mysql slave

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marmoset:

grap: it'll just think it's not available, should be fine

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grap:

Excellent, off to experiment. Thanks guys

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Aid`:

how do you hook up more than 2 hds? my motherboard only has a spot for 2

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stuarta:

buy better hardware?

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Aid`:

well some people have '12' hds i dont think there is 12 plugs on the mobo for each of them

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opello:

Aid`: controller cards

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Aid`:

how much do they usually run for about $5?

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kormoc:

Aid`, depends

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kormoc:

Aid`, some are cheap, $15 or so

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kormoc:

Aid`, some can enter in the upper hundreds

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kormoc:

Aid`, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16816116035 <-- controler for $800

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kormoc:

Aid`, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16816132004 <-- controler for $12

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** stuarta prefers the $800 one **

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Aid`:

cool

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Aid`:

when i start up my computer it says

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Aid`:

HDD MASTER... FOUND

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Aid`:

HDD SLAVE... FOUND

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Aid`:

HDD SECONDARY SLAVE.. NOT FOUND

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Aid`:

but i can't find a plugin on my mobo

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stuarta:

it's not a particularly new computer is it...

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Aid`:

how do i check cpu?

[20:59:29]

Aid`:

even if its not new, why does the bios check 4 it

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janneg:

stuarta: thanks for the fix. that message sounded always strange

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stuarta:

janneg: yeah, it was bugging me, so I fixed it :)

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Juski:

stuarta: thanks for the tip about ldd :-)

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Aid`:

im hoping i have one of those hdd controllers in another computer aroundhere

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Juski:

we used to get pci hdd controllers (promise something or other) when we had to buy retail boxed HDDs at work. we had _hundreds_ of the things

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Aid`:

lol got any spares left?

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Juski:

I doubt it. I think a most got junked in the end before anyone was asked if they wanted any

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Aid`:

bummer

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Aid`:

i wish they guides didn't change daily

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Aid`:

i was going to hook up my box to a directvreciever that doesn't have access to internet

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prologic:

What happens if I choose two or more episodes of some show when using nuvexport ?

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prologic:

Choose a function, or desired episode(s): ...

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Aid`:

it even changes if it is a network

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Aid`:

that doesn't have sports

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Aid`:

it still changes?

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marmoset:

prologic: it does them one at a time

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prologic:

ahh k

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prologic:

thanks for that

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marmoset:

works great

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marmoset:

although slow from the reencoding ;)

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marmoset:

converting 480x480 mpeg2 -> divx is about 5fps for me on an amd64 3000+

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marmoset:

although it's in 32 bit mode

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prologic:

I have no idea what the res of video is on mine

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prologic:

it's still mpeg2 though

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prologic:

I generally convert to xvid and takes 7fps

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prologic:

bout 12hrs for a 1hr show :/

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scopeuk:

thats stupidly long

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scopeuk:

what ultra hq settings you using?

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scopeuk:

i know its windows not linux but my 3200+ converts mpeg2 to divx at abotu 60 fps

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marmoset:

scopeuk: I do denoising which adds a TON of time

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scopeuk:

yeh

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scopeuk:

denoising is a nasty option

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scopeuk:

two pass or single pass?

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marmoset:

looks great tho ;)

[21:41:24]

marmoset:

I do two pass

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marmoset:

I've got the cpu to spare and I'm not in a hurry, so eh

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prologic:

I do two pass, denoising and all the other extra crap :)

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scopeuk:

yeh im considering divxing /mpeg2itg my backend but tis only a poor little 433

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scopeuk:

the abve is two pas without denoise

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scopeuk:

but it was at 800x600

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Juski:

mkdir /oldlibs

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Juski:

oops

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scopeuk:

heh so im nto the only one who does that

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scopeuk:

using ssh juski?

[21:44:19]

Juski:

of course

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scopeuk:

setup my serial console :-)

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Goose-BA:

scopeuk: what program is that

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Goose-BA:

you use to convert?

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scopeuk:

goose i forget now what a while ago

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scopeuk:

ive used quite a few recently tryign to finx and xvid that works well with ym mp3 player

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jonn3:

When im trying to run mythfilldatabase --manual it just keeps on looping, it says, Unknown xmltv channel identifier: nrk1.nrk.no, Unknown xmltv channel identifier: nrk2.nrk.no, Unknown xmltv channel identifier: tvnorge.no

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Juski:

hmm I need a script to sift thru the output of ldd & move suspected unused libs...

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gardengnome:

jonn3: that might be a bug. wait a second.

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kormoc:

jusk1, heh, that's not too hard

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Juski:

I know – just my bash is a bit rusty ;-)

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Juski:

and I can't use PERL.. it's gorn

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stuarta:

umm don't know if thats a good idea...

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stuarta:

ldd only lists stuff that's needed.

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Juski:

ldd * 2>/dev/null | grep lib | awk '{ print $1 }' | sed 's?/lib/??' | sort | uniq is kind of a start

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jonn3:

gardengnome: k'thnx, ill stick around yeh...

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Jelte:

hi there, ever since moving up to 0.19 (from 0.18) I can not seem to watch most of the channels.... for a lot of them the backend throws an error (2006-06–12 23:01:53.382 DVB#0 ERROR – Could not find dvb tuning parameters for mplex 0

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Jelte:

2006-06–12 23:01:53.391 DVB#0 ERROR – Failed to get channel options for channel 1.)

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Jelte:

is there anything in particular i should change in the db when moving up to 0.19? I'm guessing there is some info missing in the channel table?

[22:06:24]

Juski:

Jelte: sounds like the db schema didn't get upgraded

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Jelte:

Juski: : any way to do that manually?

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gardengnome:

jonn3: ohy, i forgot about you. wait another moment ;)

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Juski:

Jelte: the code that does it is dbcheck.cpp iirc. I think mythtv-setup does it but can't speak for anything else

[22:07:57]

Jelte:

hmm.. i ran that as well... still no luck :-(

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jonn3:

gardengnome: It's ok;-) I've been trying to fix this for some time, so my patience is thick;-)

[22:08:19]

Jelte:

but it does work for some channels...

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Jelte:

I've had a quick scan at the channel table, to spot if there is something obvious in there, but cant find it

[22:08:55]

gardengnome:

jonn3: heh. are you comfortable with recompiling mythtv?

[22:09:14]

jonn3:

gardengnome: yes, i can do that

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gardengnome:

jonn3: http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1759 – that might be the issue. i'd suggest that you just get 0.19-fixes from svn.mythtv.org. what distro are you on?

[22:10:22]

jonn3:

gardengnome: im on slackware 10.2

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Juski:

oh bugger. if I'd kept portage I could've used 'findcruft'

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gardengnome:

jonn3: ok, dunno how you'd package 0.19-fixes there then. but if you're using slackware, you should already know what you're doing :)

[22:11:26]

jonn3:

gardengnome: yupp, i'll grab the latest svn and build it, thanx

[22:11:43]

gardengnome:

jonn3: np

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gardengnome:

and good luck ;)

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Jelte:

btw... if I'm looking at the channel table via mysql... can I safely delete records from it? there's a few i dont watch (and have set to visible=0)

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Juski:

gardengnome: how's your s100 shaping up?

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jonn3:

gardengnome: i should use the 0.19 stable branch? or bleeding edge?

[22:14:42]

gardengnome:

Juski: duh. gf and school work, that's all i'm gonna say.

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Juski:

ah

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gardengnome:

jonn3: the stable branch should be just fine.

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scopeuk:

jonn3 how much you like it working?

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jonn3:

gardengnome: awkay

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gardengnome:

Juski: maybe on the weekend, but i've gotta study for one last class test. expect me to turn it into a monster some time next week ;)

[22:16:00]

Juski:

some kind of (small footprint) monster? ;-)

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gardengnome:

Juski: hehe :)

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Juski:

required libs now looking more like this: http://pastebin.com/705348

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Juski:

unless those libs also have requirements, I dunno..

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stuarta:

ldd will find anything that needs linking, just not dlopened stuff

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stuarta:

ie. plugins

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Juski:

ah

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stuarta:

which (partly) explains why people have problems with not installing qt-mysql libs

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Juski:

so erm... if I wanted a much more minimal installation is there anything I should've done at an earlier stage?

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stuarta:

doubtful

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jonn3:

gardengnome: distcc[6400] (dcc_get_hostlist) Warning: no hostlist is set; can't distribute work

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jonn3:

distcc[6400] (dcc_build_somewhere) Warning: failed to distribute, running locally instead

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jonn3:

should i ignore that? getting alot of warnings during make

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gardengnome:

jonn3: ./configure --disable-distcc

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jonn3:

I did, ./configure, qmake mythtv.pro, make

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gardengnome:

you've got distcc installed but it's not configured properly.

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Juski:

forgot to export the distcc hosts, perhaps... or set them up

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Juski:

maybe it's gonna be worth my while reading up on GAR

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jonn3:

gardengnome: hmm, never used distcc

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gardengnome:

uninstall it then ;)

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jonn3:

gardengnome: i'll just ignore it for now, i like to keep my slackware as much stock as possible

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gardengnome:

;)

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jonn3:

gardengnome: hmm, shouldn't distcc only be activated if the -j option is given to make?

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Juski:

sheesh... I should _so_ try DSL out

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Juski:

but will it be smaller than 400MB? ;-)

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jams:

jusk1- are you working with just the frontend (no plugins)

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marmoset:

Juski: I think I got debian down to <100MB one time

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marmoset:

was running it out of ram ;)

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Juski:

jams: frontend (mythvideo, mythmusic, mythgallery, mythweather). minimyth manages it in <112MB uncompressed

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Juski:

I'll settle for <>256MB

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Juski:

I could sit here all night deleting libs & such but it's very hackish, naughty etc

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gardengnome:

Juski: why do you care so much about size?

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Juski:

another consideration is that it can't be a compressed fs – the box only has 128MB ram

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jams:

i ended up at around 700mb but I didn't strip any docs and left a fully functioning gcc

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kormoc:

jusk1, well, it can be, just can't be cached to ram, which would make it slow

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Juski:

gardengnome: good question

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Juski:

I like a challenge, I suppose

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stuarta:

think i'd start with a debootstrap'd debian and go from there

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gardengnome:

heh

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Juski:

rather than the wrong way round :-P

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stuarta:

what am I supposed to record now that 'Father of the Pride' has finished :(

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scopeuk:

lol

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kormoc:

jusk1, well, I would just finish that shell script to wipe out unneeded libs and leave it like that

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kormoc:

jusk1, what WM did you choose?

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Juski:

ratpoison

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kormoc:

fair nuff, tho LWM would be much smaller and less libs needed

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Juski:

too late for that now

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jonn3:

gardengnome: how important is, having correct -march= option during build for this app?

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stuarta:

boo hiss, it's been replaced with the easyCruise version of airline :(

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gardengnome:

jonn3: just a (probably minor) performance issue.

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gardengnome:

jonn3: just don't build for ppc on a x86 machine ;)

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jonn3:

gardengnome: hehe, ok. just noticed, -march=pentiumpro , though i have a amd processor

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jonn3:

gardengnome: :D

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gardengnome:

jonn3: --enable-proc-opt might be your friend. although i think that builds with -march=pentiumpro on my athlon xp. but i'm sure the devs know what they're doing ;)

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gardengnome:

(sometimes.)

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scopeuk:

gardent why not virtual mac is al the rage atm

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scopeuk:

seanse as macs nologner run on them

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jonn3:

gardengnome: thank you :)

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gardengnome:

scopeuk: i've already had an english class test today, so you can probably guess that i'm not up for any more challenges. what the fsck did you just say?

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jonn3:

lol

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scopeuk:

there is a word i cant spel

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scopeuk:

just pointing out the mildly amusing fact that to run a ppc ap now whould require a mac and an emulator

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gardengnome:

since?

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gardengnome:

scopeuk: ah. rosetta ;)

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hashbang:

http://earth.google.com/tour/thanks-linux4.html

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** scopeuk disaprears off to http://www.malibustrings.com/video/competitio . . . gscomp12.wmv to see if he can get any further **

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** Juski 's script is coming along nicely **

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scopeuk:

nice

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janneg:

hashbang: thanks. but it's the same wine crap the used for their image tool?

[23:10:32]

janneg:

err. is it the same wine crap?

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hashbang:

janneg: are you sure? I think it's a native port

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janneg:

it was a question.

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kormoc:

it's QT I heard

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Juski:

wooo that broke it good & proper.. hee hee

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hashbang:

it's a bit crashy

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jasta:

kormoc.

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kormoc:

mornin

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hashbang:

heh

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hashbang:

it includes 'area 51'

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hashbang:

but not 'tiananmen square'

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Aid`:

so how can i transcode from nuv to mpg MANUALLY?

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Juski:

hahaha.. now it's properly fucked. uh-oh

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janneg:

hashbang, kormoc: yeah, it's probably fully ported. fine

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Aid`:

i know there is a transcode option, but isn't that only IMMEDIATELY after the recording? i need to know how to encode like hours after

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marmoset:

Aid`: there's an option to start transcoding (vs like playing or deleting or whatever), you can start them manually whenever you want

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marmoset:

Aid`: no real reason to not have it transcoding all the time though, it runs at a lower priority

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marmoset:

transcoding takes forever and a day, might as well have it running all the time it can

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Aid`:

how do i set it up

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Aid`:

a;sldkfj | jfkdls;a

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Aid`:

is RTJpeg just a picture/?

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scopeuk:

Aid` rt-jpeg is a video file

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scopeuk:

and all the information you need is on the wiki

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scopeuk:

big shiney button on suprisingly www.mythtv.org

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