Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, June 10th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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metalac:

allright

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Whyvas:

gutano, it was my xorg.conf, i was using the nv driver instead of the nvidia one.....

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gutano:

ahhh

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metalac:

i just ran mythfilldatabase and still the same error

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Whyvas:

im 72% done my knopmyth download....

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Whyvas:

hehe

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gutano:

hehe

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Whyvas:

might just slap that on anyways

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gutano:

what error are you getting from mythfilldatabase?

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metalac:

it says channels updated

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metalac:

but it says it failed since it didn't find anything new

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Whyvas:

metalac, it sounds to me like you have a time issue

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Whyvas:

like your clock isn't set right

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metalac:

the clock on my machine?

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Whyvas:

yeah and the timezone settings in your mythtv

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metalac:

it says it's 5:04 when i scrool through channels

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metalac:

and it's 5:03 here

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Whyvas:

A HA!

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Whyvas:

jk

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metalac:

where do i set time zone in myth?

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Whyvas:

i can't remember

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Whyvas:

somewheres

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Whyvas:

in the frontend maybe?

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ASTX813:

If I go into /etc/passwd and change the UID of the mythtv user account, how much is that going to hose?

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LLyric:

All the file permissions

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LLyric:

They're by uid, not username

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LLyric:

You can use find/exec to fix 'em all

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ASTX813:

It's the only way I can think of to get ubuntu to auto-login the mythtv user. I think it won't allow auto-login with UIDs < 1000

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LLyric:

Disable the restriction then

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gutano:

why do you want autologin of mythtv user?

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ASTX813:

BEcause it's an HTPC, I don't need console security on it

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LLyric:

I guess he's running mythfrontend as mythtv

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ASTX813:

correct, LLyric

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LLyric:

You don't need to run the frontend as mythtv

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gutano:

^^

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LLyric:

You don't even need to run it on the same machine :)

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ASTX813:

It makes better sense to me, though. Is there an easy way to remove that restrictive?

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ASTX813:

restriction*

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LLyric:

Presumably gdm

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gutano:

I don't think it would be too difficult to change the myth files to all have a new uid...

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** LLyric shrugs **

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gutano:

I still fail to see the bennefit, but *shrug* here to support not judge

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LLyric:

System --> Administration --> Login Screen Setup I guess

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LLyric:

but I don't run ubantu

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Nikopol:

metalac, the time issue shouldn't be a problem

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metalac:

so i have no clue what might be up

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Nikopol:

not sure what would be causing it tho

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Nikopol:

I had that issue earlier with games on ITV

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ASTX813:

I guess I could create another user just to run the frontend. It just seems... odd

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Nikopol:

I updated the database and games I'd told it to record suddenly were no longer available

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Nikopol:

they had been renamed

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Nikopol:

so I had to reset them to record

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metalac:

well now i cant retrieve lineups using mythtv-setup

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gutano:

ASTX813: what is wrong with the default user that already exists?

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Nikopol:

lineups?

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gutano:

<-- runs mythfrontend as gutano

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Nikopol:

metalac, where do you live?

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metalac:

Nikopol: yeah when you do initial config

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Whyvas:

im getting a qwidget error when making mythplugins

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ASTX813:

That's the main account I use for the other things the server does. I guess I'm just being picky

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gutano:

the point of using an alternate user to run processes is generaly to make an acct that has limited privileges, should there be a security whole in mythtv, the user cannot destroy the system

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Whyvas:

mythtv destroys a system anyways!

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eidolon:

hey folks, is ther ea single-cd mythtv frontend installer? i have a spare SFF PC sitting here that i'm considering using to test out running it as a frontend.

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Whyvas:

knopmyth

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eidolon:

i'm running knoppmyth now on my main box- but that box is both front end and back end.

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laga:

eidolon: knoppmyth? mythdora?

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eidolon:

yeah, but will knoppmyth run cd-only?

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gutano:

let me know how well that works Whyvas, never tried it

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gutano:

eidolon: I assume you can still write to the HDD present

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laga:

eidolon: yep. as a frontend, it'll run from livecd

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Whyvas:

gutano, knopmyth?

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eidolon:

laga: eggzellent.

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gutano:

Whyvas: 19:18 < Whyvas> knopmyth

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gutano:

you are experimenting with it?

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Whyvas:

yeah i had it running fine before

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Whyvas:

it was great

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eidolon:

hmm. maybe i should upgrade. knoppmyth had a new version posted 3 weeks ago.

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Whyvas:

cept the mythweather didn't work

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gutano:

!

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gutano:

blasphemy

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** eidolon [hearts] mythweather :) **

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Whyvas:

i was using an older knopmyth so im gonna try the new one

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gutano:

^^ +1

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eidolon:

i sort of wish the news module could run 'unattended' like that as well. sort of scrolling news :)

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Whyvas:

it was a little sketchy with the ivtv drivers for me but i got it figured out

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Whyvas:

burning new one now...

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Whyvas:

i installed xubuntu 3 times today...

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** Whyvas curses mythtv **

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Beirdo:

heya, dopester

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Beirdo:

how's it up there in the north? :)

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Whyvas:

ARGH@!#!@$!#@$

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Whyvas:

k3b has a ghost process now

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Whyvas:

init 6

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Whyvas:

oops

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eidolon:

Just posted an article about my upgrade to HDTV: http://planet-geek.com/archives/002989.html

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Whyvas:

eidolon, ???

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eidolon:

Whyvas???

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Whyvas:

there's no info in there !

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eidolon:

uh.

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eidolon:

what?

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Whyvas:

you didn't upgrade to hdtv

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eidolon:

what again?

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Whyvas:

you said you only have regular cable

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eidolon:

yes, and?

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Whyvas:

so you upgraded to regular cable

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eidolon:

i did not toucyh my cable.

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Whyvas:

exactly

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eidolon:

cable has nothing to do with that article.

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eidolon:

that article is about me replacing my SDTV monitor with an HDTV monitor.

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laga:

Whyvas: smaaaaaaaaaaart-ass!

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Whyvas:

still getting a crappy cable feed!

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eidolon:

congratulations.

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eidolon:

jeez. i'm amazed that people still use ftp servers.

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eidolon:

knoppmyth r5 is in ftp://ftp.knoppmyth.net/R5

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eidolon:

-why-, i have no idea.

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Dagmar:

LAziness, and warez

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Dagmar:

Dis is why requests for help with FTP servers are typically very poorly recieved in most channels

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Dagmar:

My *favorites* are the ones who want help setting up FXP, but they strangely don't know what else is installed and/or are abnormally hesitant to actually upgrade currently installed packages

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Whyvas:

what's wrong with ftps?

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Scopeuk_:

i gave up on ftp when i relaised samba and ssh-filetransfers were easier

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eidolon:

ftps is ridiculous as well. it's ssh. no, it's ftp. no, it's both, but neither!

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Dagmar:

In all ways, http and https can replace FTP's anonymous transfers, and do it better.

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Dagmar:

For everything else, there is scp

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eidolon:

so here's a question. i have a Dell SFF pc here. it's a PIII-800 with (i think) 256 meg in it. maybe 128. will this have enough 'oomph' to function as a frontend host driving a 1024x768 HDTV monitor?

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eidolon:

it's small enough to fit in my stereo rack, so it would be good if it would work :)

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laga:

eidolon: i've had the impression that mythfrontend consumes a whole lot more ram when running at higher resolutions. just try it.

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Dagmar:

Provided you put a hardware accellerated card into it, probably

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eidolon:

*nod* i can easily add ram to it.

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eidolon:

hmm. i'm not sure what this has for video. lemme see.

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Dagmar:

What model is it?

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Dagmar:

Optiplex? Latitude? Dimension?

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mostr:

eidolon: I have a P3 866 with 512M ram as a frontend on an SD tv, and it has small pausing during playback

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eidolon:

mostr :(

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mostr:

eidolon: I'm not sure if it's network related or HDD related in the backend.

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laga:

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eidolon:

dag: it's a Dell OptiPlex GX115. the setup screen says "Intel Pentium III Processor: 800 MHz. LEVEL 2 Cache: 256KB Integrated. Service tag 125B801 (that last bit is the way to find config specs. working on it)

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mostr:

eidolon: my backend has 1.2TB in it across 4 hard drives.

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laga:

it's just a matter of tuning things correctly ;)

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eidolon:

mostr: oo, you win. :) my back end machine has only about 600gig. :)

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Dagmar:

eidolon: So it's almost certainly got the i8x0 intel chipset on it

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Dagmar:

eidolon: Might be pushing your luck, but it's worth a shot

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Whyvas:

you guys are wusses

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Whyvas:

i had 8 gigs

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Whyvas:

TOTAL

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scottder:

Only 600gb Pfft

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scottder:

:)

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Whyvas:

but i have 120 now

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eidolon:

dag: *nod* well, this is one of a pile of machines i use for my business. i was doing the *stroke chin* "Heyy, i wonder..."

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eidolon:

http://www.planet-geek.com/deathstar.html <-- that's my (currently only) mythtv box. i'm looking to split it into fe / be.

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eidolon:

it's a little weak CPU wise too :(

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eidolon:

Installed System Memory: 128MB SDRAM

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eidolon:

yah, that'll need to change a bit :)

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scottder:

MyMyth: Pii 1ghz 512MB of RAM (most it would take!), Nvidia FX5200, 2 60GBHDs, PVR-150

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scottder:

PIII 1ghz

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scottder:

Just doing standard def

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scottder:

but getting the itch since I got an LCD TV

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jchome:

mymyth: p3 700mhz, 256mb ecc ram, geforce 4 mx 400, lan, creative 1024value soundcard.

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jchome:

actually much oversized.

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eidolon:

jchome: wow, that's a little... does that actually function? :)

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scottder:

and Turtlebeach Riveria for digital output

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mostr:

my backend is a P4 2.8 with 1G. I have 3 more 200G hard drives I'm going to add to it. I have a PVR-350 and a PVR-250 in it.

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jchome:

eidolon: like a charm..

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eidolon:

jchome: huh. k. that looks about half the horsepower i have, and i'm on the edge performance wise.

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eidolon:

at least for what i do, but i do a metric buttload of stuff on my machine.

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scottder:

mien is mythbox/web proxy/irc client machine :)

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jchome:

eidolon: my mythbackend is a 1ghz p3 with 384 Mb ram wich is serving much more services and lives with a constant load of 0.18

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eidolon:

heh. deathstar is, sheesh. music archive for the house (3–4 peoplelive here). mythtv PVR, XMame box, and dvd player / viewer.

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eidolon:

oh, and seti processor when we're not using it :)

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jchome:

hrhr

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eidolon:

jchome: oh, you didn't say you had 2 machines. i thought you were doing -everything- on that 700mhz machine

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jchome:

eidolon: no ma'am. 8-)

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** eidolon boots up an (old?) copy of knoppmyth R5B7. same as what's running on deathsra. **

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eidolon:

deathstar.

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jchome:

eidolon: actually its to expensive to run two boxes 24h/7d..

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eidolon:

pff.

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eidolon:

:)

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jchome:

yeah.. in germany it is.

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eidolon:

heh. i work at home, so these machines are in 'my office'.

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jchome:

i work at home too.. but my home is at my parents. 8-)

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eidolon:

and dagmar, you pegged it. i810 server.

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eidolon:

heh.

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eidolon:

knoppmyth started X properly at the proper resolution. go it.

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alieas:

excuse me, does anyone know why a mythtvsetup would only allow me to use a V4L card? The option to chage card type is blue and un-selectable.

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alieas:

ha

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alieas:

nm

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alieas:

it made me use the mouse... I didn't think you could even use the mouse in the setup

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thechris:

is there any way to fine tune the TV-Frequencies using software?

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thechris:

there are some channels that have either video or audio issues

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eidolon:

you can manually adjust frequencies in the mythtvsetup tool

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eidolon:

but it's not recommended.

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eidolon:

it gets chaotic really fast.

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thechris:

right now i have 2 unusable channels that account for 20% of my recorded shows

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thechris:

that and the quality from my PVR500 and PVR350 is just appaling

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thechris:

my old 1998 VCRs are 10x better...

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eidolon:

bummer.

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denmaeth:

what is a top quality capture card – I will be setting up my first myth box shortly

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eidolon:

the hauppage cards are the best supported. for a first time, get a pvr-150.

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denmaeth:

what about a avertv card? any good ?

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denmaeth:

i am looking at both the hauppage card and also considering a avertv card

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eidolon:

hmm.

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eidolon:

the livecd mythtv frontend takes -for-evuh- to start.

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eidolon:

beats the snot out of the cd too.

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thechris:

i've been trying to improve my reception on my TV tuners for a while. it is my understanding that the quality can be better. right now my old bttv cards are at least as good as my PVR350...

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mchou:

if you want quality dont buy any analog cads

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mchou:

cards*

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mchou:

go with firewire instead.

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thechris:

you mean don't go with PCI?

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eidolon:

no, go with a firewire digital link from the cable tuner.

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mchou:

thechris: nope. I meant what I said

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mchou:

eidolon: you got it :)

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eidolon:

<-- schmart

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thechris:

hmm, i'm not familiar with this.

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scottder:

eidolon: nice TV you got there :) good deal too

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** scottder just got his new LCD a few days ago...love it! **

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thechris:

you mean like a normal tuner that sends the data via firewire?

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mchou:

thechris: no, a STB from your cable provider

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eidolon:

scottder: thanks, i'm pretty happy with it :)

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thechris:

hmm. sounds more expensive

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eidolon:

how it looks, the functions, and the price i paid for it.

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scottder:

Yeah, we looked at rear-projection as well...but decied to go LCD for now

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scottder:

$1199 wasn't too bad for a 32" display

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mchou:

thechris: nope. cheaper than going with analog cards

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scottder:

there are cheaper but I didn't like the looks of them

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scottder:

and I got a free remote controlled dinosaur with mine...

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scottder:

gotta love newegg

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scottder:

:)

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thechris:

mchou: well, i already have a PVR350 and PVR500. i was wanting to get decent quality from them. so far they both are terrible.

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thechris:

its like a bttv card, but with MPEG encoding.

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mchou:

thechris: you wont ever get decent quality from the tuners on an analog card

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xris:

thechris: pvr-500 is going to be the best quality you can get from analog

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thechris:

mchou: the TV and VCRs both have vastly superior quality.

[02:04:33]

mchou:

thechris: the way to get decent quality on those is to use a external vcr with svideo :)

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mchou:

thechris: I concur

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mchou:

analog pc cards are just not up to snuff.

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mchou:

very disappointing

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thechris:

i've heard others say they were ok.

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mchou:

"ok" depends on one's frame of reference

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xris:

thechris: unlikely with the vcr, since most home grade ones strip out 50–60% of the signal when recording. tv quality is going to be better because it's not encoding things.

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xris:

thechris: did you turn the recording resolution/bitrate up?

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mchou:

linux tuner module leaves much to be desired too.

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thechris:

does that affect the "watch tv" quality?

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mchou:

I've seen the same card have better PQ in windows

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thechris:

the 350 is in my parents windoes box

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thechris:

and isn't too good

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xris:

thechris: yes. livetv is its own recording profile

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thechris:

my pvr500 has issues. i can't used channesl 54 or 73. though both show up fine on TV.

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xris:

you need to set bitrate and resolution for all cards.. and imho the default settings for the ivtv ones is not that great.

[02:09:21]

thechris:

54 = terrible video, 73 = terrible sound.

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mchou:

thechris: that's a common complaint

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mchou:

the tuner sucks on analog PC cards, like I said

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mchou:

I get sucky reception on channel 2 w/ my pvr-150s. comes in just fine on TV

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eidolon:

h,,

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eidolon:

mythtv: could not connect to socket

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eidolon:

mythtv: Connection refused

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eidolon:

what do i have to do on my backend server to allow mythfrontend boxes to connect? i already turned on networking in mysql and restarted.

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pickler:

firewall?

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pickler:

sorry that was directed at eidolon

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eidolon:

i haven't explicitely set a firewall anywhere. how can i tell if one (of various configs :) is up on my myth server?

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pickler:

first, check mythbackend is working

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mostr:

eidolon: iptables -f

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mostr:

should flush any tables

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

I doubt it's a firewall problem

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eidolon:

mythbackend is workign fine. a frontend is up on the server now.

[02:20:15]

mchou:

more likely a mysql perms problem

[02:20:25]

eidolon:

no, mysql connected clean. "New DB connection, total: 2

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eidolon:

COnnected to database 'mythconverg' at host...

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** eidolon googles. **

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eidolon:

ohh. this may be a lirc error

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mchou:

lol

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eidolon:

lirc_init failed for mythtv, see preceding mess... and then gets overwritten with more output about the media player.

[02:22:14]

eidolon:

would mythfrontend crash if lirc failed? that seems... wonky.

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scottder:

anyone have a recommendation for a wireless keyboard?

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eidolon:

i have one of the logitech sort of 'lozenge' shaped ones,with a wireless mouse. got it off woot.

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xris:

scottder: IR one + universal remote == easy remote control

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scottder:

already have a universal....actually just got a new one that I need to get working with the myhttv box

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eidolon:

okay, nowi'm geting... lirc_init failed for mythtv, see preceding messages

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eidolon:

Killed

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eidolon:

so how do i make sure mythfrontend or mythtv-setup doesn't try to init lirc?

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eidolon:

i don't -want- to use lirc. i thin it sucks.

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mostr:

eidolon: what distro are you running?

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mchou:

then you recompile myth w/o lirc support

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alieas:

hehe! I finally got my first Myth box working with the pcHDTV 5500 card !! Looks great !

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eidolon:

knoppmyth – a version about 2 months old.

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mostr:

eidolon: sorry can't help you. I run fedora.

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eidolon:

np.

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mchou:

eidolon: but quite frankly that ain't even necessary. myth just ignores lirc if it cant find it.

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mchou:

eidolon: your problem lies elsewhere

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eidolon:

mchou: i'm open to suggestions on where to look :(

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eidolon:

that exit is happening on mythtv-setup or mythfrontend.

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eidolon:

is there something like mythfrontend --verbose ?

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mostr:

eidolon: do you have any remote FE's connecting to your BE? Or is this the first one?

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Whyvas:

where are the mythweather settings stored?

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eidolon:

the only FE is the one on the box itself. this is my frist remote one.

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eidolon:

so the first thing i did was fix mysql so a remote connect would work. that's working.

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mchou:

eidolon: how do you know that's working?

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eidolon:

cuz... the output says it is? :)

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eidolon:

i typed it back about 15 minutes ago.

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eidolon:

<eidolon> no, mysql connected clean. "New DB connection, total: 2

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eidolon:

<eidolon> COnnected to database 'mythconverg' at host...

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eidolon:

there :)

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mchou:

eidolon: how do you know the output doesnt refer to some other frontend?

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eidolon:

that's -on- the frontend box.

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eidolon:

and it was failing until i edited my.cnf on the BE and restarted mysql.

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eidolon:

ohh.

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eidolon:

hmm.

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eidolon:

i restarted mysql.

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eidolon:

i wonder if that put the BE in an odd state.

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** eidolon restarts the BE. **

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mostr:

eidolon: this is from the fedora setup. I had to run this to get my remote FE working.

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mostr:

$ mysql -u root -p mythconverg

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mostr:

mysql> grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"10.0.1.%" identified by "mythtv";

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mostr:

mysql> flush privileges;

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mostr:

mysql> quit

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eidolon:

no, this is not a grant problem.

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mostr:

that was my hangup when I assembled my FE.

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eidolon:

i mean, it -might- be, but let me try something else first.

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** eidolon nods. **

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eidolon:

was the FE just exiting silently?

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eidolon:

or were you getting a 'cannot connect to mysql' error?

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mostr:

I was getting cannot connect to the server.

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eidolon:

yah. i'm not getting that. it's connecting to the server cleanly :)

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mostr:

did you switch the ip of the BE in mythtv-setup from localhost to the actual IP of your BE?

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eidolon:

yes of course :)

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mostr:

okay, sorry. Just trying to remember all the steps to get it connected.

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eidolon:

okay, restarted the BE.

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eidolon:

trying the FE again.

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pickler:

eidolon: so if it's connecting , what's the problem? it crashes?

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eidolon:

yep, mythtv exits silently.

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eidolon:

trying again.

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mostr:

I'm going to need to have 18 months of winter just to catch up on my recorded tv.

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eidolon:

(btw, i do get the 'pre-scaling images' thingy come up on the FE when i start it. it's working on it :)

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eidolon:

and TOTALLY unrelated. my zap2it channel ids are showing the wrong info :(

[02:40:09]

eidolon:

i need to get back to that at some point.

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eidolon:

:)

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mostr:

there is a mythfilldatabase command that will pull in all 14 days over again

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** eidolon runs '-v all' and watches it scream. **

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eidolon:

(btw, i'm seeing a zillion successful SELECT statementsin the scroll. it's not the database :)

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eidolon:

there's... a possibility the data is not populated right.

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eidolon:

i'm seeing select statements like

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eidolon:

SELECT data FROM settings WHERE value = 'something' AND hostname = 'tarkin' (thename i gave the FE). do i have to do something on the BE box to say "There's another FE, it's name is xxxx" ?

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mostr:

anyone nfsing out their /video to remote FE's?

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GreyFoxx:

mostr: yup

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mostr:

I'm just experimenting with it. what do you have as your line in /etc/fstab for your FE?

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mostr:

I'm wondering if that is my issue with my choppy video.

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GreyFoxx:

192.168.0.10:/data/mythtv /data/mythtv nfs rsize=8192,wsize=8192,hard,intr,nfsvers=3,actimeo=0 0 0

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mostr:

thanks. I'll try some of those options.

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mostr:

I just have: 10.10.10.3:/video /video nfs rw,hard

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Whyvas:

where are the mythweather settings stored?

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eidolon:

in the database.

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** eidolon guesses. **

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Whyvas:

what table though

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GreyFoxx:

Whyvas: I don't know offhand

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GreyFoxx:

Just go to the settings and change it

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Whyvas:

i can't

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Whyvas:

the only option i get says mythweather timed out try longer

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Whyvas:

then it comes back 1 second later

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Whyvas:

all i can do is cancel

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Whyvas:

i need to reset mythweather or something

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GreyFoxx:

No, I mean under settings

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GreyFoxx:

You do not need to launch mythweather to get at the settings :)

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GreyFoxx:

There is a weather section in the regular setup menus

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Whyvas:

yes, I know.

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Whyvas:

i need to reset the settings or edit them directly

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eidolon:

did you go to the setup menu to set the weather sesttings?

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Whyvas:

no

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Whyvas:

i can't get there

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Whyvas:

it doesn't let me

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eidolon:

Utilities / Setup -> Setup -> Info Center Settings -> Weather Settings

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Whyvas:

yes.....

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Whyvas:

it doesn't let me

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GreyFoxx:

Whyvas: Check the settings table. the settings value is "locale"

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GreyFoxx:

SELECT data FROM settings WHERE value = 'locale';

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eidolon:

hey grey, any ideas on my remote FE problem?

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eidolon:

like, do i have to do magic in the BE to add a new FE? i'm seeing select ocmmands on debugging output looking for info in the settings table for a 'hostname=...' entry – for the FE host. but i don't remeber doing atnyhiugn on the BE to populate the database with information for this FE.

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GreyFoxx:

eidolon: There is nothing you have to do

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GreyFoxx:

as long asthe FE can see the backend database and the backend port

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eidolon:

you'd like to THINK that! :)

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GreyFoxx:

just launch it, run through the basic setup menus

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GreyFoxx:

and away you go

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eidolon:

cept it didn't work.

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eidolon:

mythtv-setup is crashing silently with a' Killed'

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eidolon:

as is mythfrontend

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GreyFoxx:

you don't need to run mythtv-setup

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GreyFoxx:

that's really a backend thing

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GreyFoxx:

as for the frontend, I can only suggest trying to get a trafce

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eidolon:

k. i've run mythfrntend several times on this FE box. it's connecting to the database cleanly. it just dies.

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eidolon:

is there a -v that means 'everything except the SQL stuff' ?

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eidolon:

the only indicator is that lirc is failing to start. but taht shoudln't cause mfe to fail, should it?

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Whyvas:

GreyFoxx, what value do you have for locale?

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GreyFoxx:

eidolon: I don't use lirc at all, I really can't say whatit would effect

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GreyFoxx:

Whyvas: CAXX0183

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eidolon:

huh. okay... this is saying on the knoppmyth box, that i have to run mythtv-setup on the be server to change the the 127.0.0.1 to the actual ip of the be server.

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GreyFoxx:

well yes, if you have remote frontends then thge backend's configured IP has to be an externally reachable IP :)

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mostr:

yes, that is what I mentioned before

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eidolon:

ahhh....

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eidolon:

mostr: my bad, i didn't understand what you were saying.

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eidolon:

i'll need to walk over to the box to do that.

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mostr:

sorry, I wasn't really clear

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mostr:

or ssh in and run mythtv-setup

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mostr:

as long as you have x forwarding

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mostr:

that's how I modify my FE and BE

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Whyvas:

GreyFoxx, AWESOME!

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Whyvas:

got it working!

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Whyvas:

my postal code was set in the value and it was getting an error from that

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Whyvas:

you're in halifax?

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Whyvas:

im in freddy

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GreyFoxx:

Whyvas: Yup, Halifax :)

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GreyFoxx:

Cool :)

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mostr:

later dudes. I'm off.

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eidolon:

hmm. x forwarding. *tries it*

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Solv:

i'm trying to use dvdauthor do put my dvb mpeg2 streams onto a dvd-video....but it comes up with the error WARN: Skipping sector, waiting for first VOBU...

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Solv:

i am aware that there is the new mytharchive, but as a gentoo user i'd prefer to wait for an ebuild for it

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eidolon:

hm. i redid mythtv-setup, restarted the backend server, and tried mfe again, and it failed the exact same way. i don't -think- i messed up the be setup.

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Kelerion:

maths quiz:

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Kelerion:

twenty-five doubled

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Kelerion:

twelve divided by one

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Kelerion:

3+3*3

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Kelerion:

add the numbers

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Kelerion:

it's on tv.. theres a trick somewhere

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Sedorox:

38?

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Kelerion:

not been suggested yet

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Sedorox:

or...

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Sedorox:

its twenty-(five*2)

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Kelerion:

that was the trick I saw

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Kelerion:

my answers are 24 or 19 or 649

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Kelerion:

theres been 30 callers so far.. no-one has it right so far

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Kelerion:

oh.. one tried 19.. so that wasn't it

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Kelerion:

it's for 1,012,000 UKP.. lol

[03:58:31]

Kelerion:

over a million!

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Sedorox:

hmm

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Kelerion:

I've written down all 30 wrong answers so far

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LLyric:

25*20=50 12/1=12 3+3*3=12 50+12+13=74

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LLyric:

what am I missing?

[03:59:51]

LLyric:

25*25 rather

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Sedorox:

54?

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Kelerion:

nope.. 74 was wrong

[04:00:11]

Kelerion:

no ones tried 54

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Sedorox:

unless its (3+3)*3

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Kelerion:

that isn't what it says

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LLyric:

could "twenty-five doubled" be (20–5)*2?

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Sedorox:

k

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Kelerion:

it's the way I typed

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LLyric:

=30 + 24

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LLyric:

=54

[04:01:49]

Kelerion:

I got 649.. in case "twenty-five doubled" is 25^2=625

[04:01:59]

Sedorox:

hmm

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LLyric:

that's squared

[04:02:25]

Sedorox:

so its either 54 or 649.. according to the results of the chnanle, and those not ruled out :p

[04:02:31]

Kelerion:

true

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LLyric:

could five doubled be 55? 20–55 = -35. +24 = -11?

[04:02:57]

Sedorox:

coul dbe...

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Kelerion:

possibly

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_nero_:

2649

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Sedorox:

0_o

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_nero_:

2525 + 112 + 12

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_nero_:

2525 ==> 25 doubled

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Kelerion:

last one of these no-one got.. and they didn't give the answer.. was pissed off.. had been watching it for an hour! lol

[04:04:44]

_nero_:

1(1)2 ==> 12 divided by 1.

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_nero_:

3+3*3=12.

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Kelerion:

yup

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Sedorox:

hmm

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** _nero_ needs another beer.. **

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Kelerion:

I even tried "20+5+12+1+3+3+3"=47

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Kelerion:

"Add tthe numbers!" makes me suspicious

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_nero_:

42.. isnt that always the answer..

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** _nero_ needs another beer.. **

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Sedorox:

lol

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Kelerion:

42 hasn't been tried

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Sedorox:

I don't think you can get 42 out of that combo

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** Sedorox shrugs **

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Kelerion:

54 and 649 hasn't been tried... missed that post

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Solv:

i'm trying to use dvdauthor do put my dvb mpeg2 streams onto a dvd-video....but it comes up with the error WARN: Skipping sector, waiting for first VOBU...

[04:15:40]

Solv:

i am aware that there is the new mytharchive, but as a gentoo user i'd prefer to wait for an ebuild for it

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Kelerion:

ok..5:15am.. heading to bed... gonna save the recording though in case someone gets it.. lol

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Kelerion:

g'night all :)

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armenb:

in FC3, where is the mythtv-setup program?

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LLyric:

wherever you put it

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LLyric:

in your path, presumably

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armenb:

usually a package installs it in a particular location.

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armenb:

on my debian box its /usr/bin/mythtv-setup

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thechris:

armenb: if it is in your path, use: which mythtv-setup

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LLyric:

use "which mythtv-setup" to see, if it's in the path

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LLyric:

or "rpm -qpl whatever.rpm" | grep mythtv-setup

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armenb:

heh.

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armenb:

i did that.

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armenb:

i'm not that much of a newbie.

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LLyric:

ok

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thechris:

oh, then which -N ...

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LLyric:

Seems like a newbie question :)

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thechris:

the "Not a newbie" flag

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armenb:

hm, odd. mythtv-setup is in the mythtv-backend package on debian.

[04:19:34]

armenb:

:-P

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** thechris goes to see if which has any flags **

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armenb:

but i need mythtv-setup to tell my frontend to use another backend, right?

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thechris:

... man which. now i want sloppy joes...

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LLyric:

Nah, just edit mysql.txt

[04:20:07]

armenb:

mine's trying to connect to 127.0.0.1

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armenb:

well its connecting to mysql on the remote host

[04:20:28]

armenb:

but its connecting to the mythbackend at 127.0.0.1

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LLyric:

Nah, just edit mysql.txt

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armenb:

and i'm not sure where i'm supposed to set that.

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LLyric:

Ah

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LLyric:

It's probably using "localhost"

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LLyric:

You need to set your hostname, so the settings can be looked up in the DB properly

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armenb:

i have a hostname set

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armenb:

(on my linux box, that is)

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LLyric:

You may need to tell mythfrontend to use that hostname, as key into the settings tables

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LLyric:

it's [hostname,key] => value

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armenb:

hm, i don't get that.

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LLyric:

you don't understand?

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armenb:

does mythfrontend get the backend server's location from the database?

[04:23:05]

armenb:

or a local configuration file?

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LLyric:

database

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armenb:

oh. blah.

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LLyric:

You configure the frontend to find the DB, and then it gets settings from there.

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GreyFoxx:

The only thing in a config file is the database ath info

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LLyric:

The problem is probably that your frontend is finding the wrong settings in the database table

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LLyric:

WHich often happens if >1 host are using "localhost" as their hostname

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Dagmar:

Really no host should be using that

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armenb:

why not?

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alieas:

...whats the proper way to shutdown mythbackend ?

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LLyric:

See ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt LocalHostName

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Dagmar:

Because it's a reserved hostname for "me" basically. On a network, it's meaning falls right apart.

[04:25:27]

Dagmar:

Hostnames are supposed to identify machines among other machines.

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Dagmar:

You can't name them all "steve" (for example) and expect to get any work done.

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armenb:

oh, nevermind. i thought you were talking about something else

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armenb:

bah. i hate futzing around with mysql. its such a pos.

[04:27:25]

armenb:

bah, never mind me.

[04:30:02]

armenb:

know which mysql table has the relevant information, incidently?

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LLyric:

"settings" ?

[04:30:25]

LLyric:

Changing them in there is a pain.

[04:30:39]

LLyric:

Might be easier to just change the hostname, and get a bunch of new defaults.

[04:30:58]

LLyric:

iirc, there's actually a couple of tables

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Dagmar:

I'm with LLyric on just setting the hostname correctly and starting over

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armenb:

i don't know what you mean by "correctly"

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armenb:

if i have a mythtv backend on a multihoming server, i should be able to connect to the server from all my clients

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LLyric:

It doesn't need to be a real hostname

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LLyric:

It's just a unique string

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LLyric:

Used to find *your* settings in the table

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LLyric:

a real Hostname is a good candidate

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LLyric:

armand: our hypothesis is that there are two frontends using "localhost" to find their settings. This is bad.

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Dagmar:

If you type `hostname` and it says "localhost" you've not done it correctly yet

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armenb:

my ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt has a different setting for each of the two machines.

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armenb:

and neither machine is named "localhost". they both have loopback interfaces that are running, and bound to 127.0.0.1

[04:35:05]

armenb:

and they both have localhost resolve to 127.0.0.1 in /etc/hosts

[04:37:27]

armenb:

hmm, im not seeing anything in the settings table (corresponding to the frontend i'm trying to get working) that has localhost or 127.0.0.1 set.

[04:39:50]

armenb:

hmm, there's a "Maseter Server IP address" in mythtv-setup on the machine that works.

[04:39:59]

armenb:

er, Master

[04:40:15]

armenb:

"All frontend and non-master backend machines will connect to this server."

[04:40:29]

armenb:

that seems like a useless limitation.

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znoG:

hi all

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armenb:

becaus eyou can't multihome, as i was trying to do

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znoG:

I went to watch a previously recorded show and pressed X to transcode, and in the console I see the following error:

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armenb:

(multihoming on eth0 and lo

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znoG:

2006-06–10 01:39:57.546 Transcoding from /home/gs/recordings/5009_20060609112000.nuv to /home/gs/recordings/5009_20060609112000.nuv.tmp

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armenb:

)

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znoG:

2006-06–10 01:39:57.561 Connecting to backend server: 10.0.0.1:6543 (try 1 of 5)

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znoG:

2006-06–10 01:39:57.579 MainServer::HandleAnnounce Monitor

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znoG:

it's clear that it's an "unknown video codec" the error

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znoG:

2006-06–10 01:39:57.646 Unknown video codec:

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znoG:

2006-06–10 01:39:57.647 Transcoding /home/gs/recordings/5009_20060609112000.nuv failed

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znoG:

but.. it didn't say which one

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xris:

armenb: huh?

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armenb:

"All frontend and non-master backend machines will connect to this server." <- there's space to type one ip address there.

[04:44:24]

armenb:

i should be able to type several.

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xris:

why?

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armenb:

so i can listen on lo, eth0, eth1, eth2, etc.

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xris:

mythtv binds to its ports on all interfaces on the machine

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armenb:

so what does "Master Server IP address" mean?

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xris:

that's the IP that other machines connect to for the master

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xris:

if you use multiple subnets, then use a name instead of an ip

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armenb:

and resolve the same name to different ips on the respective networks? ok, fair enough.

[04:48:29]

xris:

should work fine

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armenb:

i seem to have corrupted my mythtv database due to a power outage.

[04:48:52]

armenb:

is there an easy way to flush the whole thing and start over?

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SomeGuy2:

were are te v4l device file located (in dev)

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xris:

armenb: DROP DATABASE mythconverg;

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xris:

then just reimport the mc.sql file

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xris:

SomeGuy2: usually something lik /dev/video*

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armenb:

is there a big difference between myth 0.18.* and 0.19.*?

[04:53:45]

SomeGuy2:

any one use a Conexant CX23880 card?

[04:53:46]

armenb:

in terms of features/functionality/etc

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Dagmar:

Heck you can rm -rf /var/lib/mysql and then mysql_install_db and then reimport mc.sql if you want to be especially thorough about it

[04:55:05]

znoG:

anyone using MythTV from SVN?

[04:55:08]

znoG:

is it.... stable'ish?

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SomeGuy2:

any one use a Conexant CX23880 card?

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alieas:

hey.. I'm having problems importing my channels.conf file in mythtvsetup. it just hangs w/ a empty grey box. does this mean I will have to manually add my channels to the db ?

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xris:

alieas: no xmltv where you are?

[05:28:19]

xris:

wait, you're on cox.. not using datadirect?

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alieas:

how'd you know I was on cox ?

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alieas:

I got a channel.conf that tunes my cox qam, I can lock on to all the channels with azap

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xris:

your ip shows in whois info

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alieas:

heh

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xris:

use datadirect, it should work fine, too

[05:29:10]

alieas:

well

[05:29:17]

xris:

or use myth's own scanner

[05:29:48]

alieas:

I got a channels.conf from another mythtv user in my area, and I can lock on to all the channels. previously I've been using antenna-atsc.

[05:29:52]

alieas:

how can I use datadirect ?

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xris:

it's in the docs

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alieas:

yeah labs.zap2it.com

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xris:

just sign up at labs.zap2it.com (code is in the mythtv docs)

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alieas:

thats for the listings tho...

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xris:

then use myth's channel scanner to find your channels

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alieas:

I'm using mythtv's internal scanner, but I'm telling it to import the channels.conf

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xris:

ah. I always just let it do its own thing

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alieas:

I tried letting it do its thing with qam_256, but it dumped like 60 channels on me or something

[05:31:46]

alieas:

should I just go into the channel editor and delete the garabe?

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nuxil:

howdy all. i have a Q.. i wanna uninstall mythtv cos i need to install a never svn version.. but the thing is that,, i deleted the source i installed mythtv from.. how am i suppose to uninstall mythtv now?

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xris:

alieas: that was what I did.. though mine was atsc, not qam.

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xris:

nuxil: download the source again and run make uninstall in it?

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alieas:

xris: ok, well I'll just play around with that a little bit then and try to import zap2it's info. thanks for the help

[05:33:16]

xris:

alieas: the channel stuff in .19 should pick up the shared channels for qam and zap2it

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xris:

nuxil: other than that, locate may become your best friend for awhlie.

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alieas:

ok thnx

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nuxil:

xris i was hoping not to do that... cant i do it manualy? it aint that many file.. and they are in /usr/local so they sould not be hard to find i quess..

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xris:

nuxil: that's why I go out of my way to use packages for stuff.. much easier to remove.

[05:35:23]

xris:

but yeah... poking around in /usr/local/ for anything "myth" would likely do it.

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nuxil:

xris, indeed but the pkg for dapper is o,18.X

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xris:

or as long as you're not going from package to non-package, installing over the top *should* be ok

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xris:

nuxil: I built my own... even for svn. I'm using fedora, though, so no help to you.

[05:36:36]

nuxil:

ok so it will install over,. :) then i dont need to remove

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nuxil:

*onto

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nuxil:

*ontop

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nuxil:

brbr i miss read

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armenb:

hey

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armenb:

in the mythtv configuration menus

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armenb:

how do i select boxes?

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armenb:

i press space/return/enter/etc and everything advances to the next screen.

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armenb:

oh side to side arrows works.

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metalac:

hey guys

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metalac:

i'm still having troubles with mythfilldatabase

[06:46:38]

metalac:

for some reason i still get "Connecting to datadirect.webservice.zap2it.com.......... ....connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 401 unauthorized"

[06:46:58]

metalac:

i'm pretty sure i put in the correct password in mythtv-setup since I do get the listing

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metalac:

but mythfilldb doesn't do what's supposed

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metalac:

any clues?

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Dagmar:

metalac: It's some weird artifact

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Dagmar:

I'd ignore it.

[06:51:37]

Dagmar:

Mine does the same thing here

[06:51:58]

Dagmar:

Something weird about the way they're invoking wget, but like you may have noticed, it works fine on the second pass

[06:52:10]

Dagmar:

...or it may just be wget

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metalac:

mine doesn't

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metalac:

it always says that

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Dagmar:

It says that and just dies?

[06:52:40]

Dagmar:

Then you've got the password or username wrong

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metalac:

oh wow

[06:52:53]

metalac:

no it just says that

[06:53:00]

metalac:

but it seems that my problems have been fixed

[06:53:11]

metalac:

i've been doing that in order to get my recrodings to work

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metalac:

now they do :)

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Dagmar:

Once you've gotten it to run the first time, there's a thing in the setup menus somewhere that you can use to just have the backend run that when it's supposed to

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metalac:

yeah i found that

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metalac:

but i just set up this box so it's the first time doing it

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metalac:

anybody knows what's the program guide key for the keyboard?

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Dagmar:

I can never remember that stuff. I think I'm usually hitting 'M' or 'P'

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metalac:

oh yeah it's M :)

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Juski:

mornin'

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LLyric:

Gidday

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Juski:

ooo yes... oooooo yesssss. got mythtv working on my s100 box... playing back mpeg2 SDTV takes about 50% cpu but that's not bad

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xris:

nice

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Juski:

only have niceities to sort out now – tune the tv out a little, install plugins, sort of a decent little wm (twm is sucky I think) and downsize the distro.... oh and make it netboot

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HeMan:

How can i chang mythweb's myth://-urls to http//-urls?

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Juski:

not forgetting LIRC of course ;-)

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xris:

HeMan: don't use windows

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xris:

and look in the config files

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HeMan:

*s* i've recorded a program for a friend, but i'll take a look in the config-files

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xris:

don't tell us about your illegal file sharing

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HeMan:

not to start anything, but it's not illegal, it's like record anything to a vhs-tape and give the tape to a friend

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HeMan:

since i have username and password

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HeMan:

and are using https

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Dagmar:

'cept that's not a VHS tape

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xris:

HeMan: sharing outside of your household is illegal, whether you do it with vhs or otherwise.

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Dagmar:

...so you're back in grey-area.

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xris:

"sharing" is not "for personal use"

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Dagmar:

xris: Actually, doing that with a vhs was formally made okay back in the 80's, personal-use only

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xris:

Dagmar: exactly. sharing != personal use.

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Dagmar:

But I kinda doubt that if it's retried for modern media whether it would be reaffirmed or not

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xris:

anyway, just don't talk about it here. We'd rather not draw undue attention to the grey-area activities.

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Dagmar:

Definitely do not expose the channel or the network to liability

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HeMan:

we could say that it's something that i recorded with my brand new dv-camera, _that_ is legal! :)

[07:25:47]

HeMan:

but i got it working so i happy with your answer, thanks!

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Dagmar:

No, not at this point we could not.

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xris:

he missed the point. recording is legal. recording and letting your spouse watch is legal. recording and inviting your friends over to watch is legal. giving a copy to your friends is not.

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Juski:

jees I wish every TV output was as tunable as this one

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Juski:

http://pastebin.ca/63569

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Solv:

Agrajag-, are you around?

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Juski:

!seen laga

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MythLogBot:

laga is here and has been idle for 6 hours 37 minutes 7 seconds

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Solv:

anybody here now how to configure xmltv guides?

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Solv:

i can't even do a mythfilldatabase manually with a downloaded xmltv guide....due to myth comlaining about the channel names being 'unidentified channel identifier'

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Solv:

sorry..unkown channel identifier

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Juski:

first of all you run mythtv-setup, configure it to use the grabber of your choice... it then runs the configure script for that grabber. there you tell it which channels you want to grab. it then writes a file in ~/.mythtv containing the xmltv ids for all the channels you just told it you want to grab. when you run mythfilldatabase it will pass the channel list (whatever.xmltv) to the grabber, and the grabber will do it

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Solv:

Juski, problem is the grabbers i get don't work

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Solv:

that's why i'm just testing with a manual xml file

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Solv:

can I edit the mythtv channel id file myself?

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Juski:

course you can

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Solv:

Juski, can I define it to be whatever i want? Say for instance in Australia there is a channel called ABC2...how would i go about testing on just that one channel...bearing in mind I have tuned in the channels with dvbscan and it has created a channels.conf for mythtv...and the channel name ABC2 is there and the number assigned is 503

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Juski:

you need 2 things really. 1. a file called <video_source_name>.xmltv in ~/.mythtv in the format "channel xml.tv.id" – one line per channel xmltvid. and 2. xmltv IDs in your channel table for each channel you want data for

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Juski:

to find out what the xmltv ids are look in the channel_ids file contained in /usr/share/xmltv/your_grabber/

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Juski:

where 'your_grabber' is the name of the grabber you'd use

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Solv:

Juski, okay...i might have to find that manually...as xmltv doesn't have the australian grabber in the lates ebuild for gentoo...the most common xmltv grabber for australia is relying on a file called XMLTV.pm which doesn't exist...so I'm trying a grabber from tvguide.org which also has scripting issues!

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Dagmar:

Solv: Why haven't you tried just building xmltv from the source?

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Juski:

Solv: there are loads of Aussie sites to help you with this I'm sure

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Juski:

check out the xmltv website for one thing

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Juski:

I often find even the UK grabber is out of date in portage

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Solv:

okay....i'll keep looking...i've been trying for days

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Juski:

oh bloody hell.. http://plasmator.net/lj/gmm/_spinning-out-of-control.gif

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Juski:

right, so.. lightweight window managers... so many to choose from...

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kmyth:

hello

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Juski:

hi kmyth

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kmyth:

does anyone know why MYTHTV starts recording when i launch mythfrontend?

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kmyth:

can't find anything on google

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kmyth:

thanks

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Juski:

mythtv should only start recording when you enter livetv

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kmyth:

Juski: how do i change it?

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Juski:

what I mean is, it should _not_ start recording when you launch mythfrontend.

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Juski:

when you go into mythfrontend do you see the main menu or is it launching straight into live tv?

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kmyth:

main menu

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Juski:

right, so how do you know it's recording when you're there?

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kmyth:

and then i enter watchtv

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Juski:

okay

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Juski:

forget about going in there

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Juski:

go into watch recordings

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Juski:

see if there's a recording in progress

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kmyth:

when i go back to recordings i can see it there

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kmyth:

even when i switch channels it records it

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Juski:

were you watching livetv earlier and did you press R ?

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kmyth:

no

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Juski:

sure?

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kmyth:

positive

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kmyth:

tried it so many times already

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Juski:

when you quit out of livetv it should stop recording

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kmyth:

yes

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Juski:

you can delete the in progress recording in the watch recordings menu

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kmyth:

yes, but when i enter watchtv it starts recording again

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kmyth:

not sure why?

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kmyth:

stream: start_time: 0.289 duration: 1239.713 bitrate=8 kb/s

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kmyth:

2006-06–10 01:19:21.534 AFD: Opened codec 0x8321e80, id(MPEG2VIDEO) type(Video)

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kmyth:

2006-06–10 01:19:21.619 AFD: Opened codec 0x830f210, id(MP2) type(Audio)

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kmyth:

that is what i see

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Juski:

mythtv records all livetv – that's how you can do cool stuff like pausing etc

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Juski:

but that recording _should_ stop when you exit live tv

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Juski:

_except_ when you press R in live tv – then myth will record the whole show, or at least what's left of it

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kmyth:

i only want it to record when i schedule a recording or pressing R

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Dagmar:

If you're worried that the gov't is monitoring what you watch on TV, you can stop worrying.

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Dagmar:

That's why the mysql server makes detailed summary reports, so it doesn't waste all your bandwidth telling them what you watch.

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kmyth:

i guess this is a new feature of v1.9

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Juski:

kmyth: in that case I have no idea what's up

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Dagmar:

kmyth: Those files are flagged as exceptionally disposable, so it shouldn't cause a problem

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kmyth:

didn't have that problem in older version

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Juski:

if you go into livetv, then quit out of livetv it should stop recording – that is unless you pressed R

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kmyth:

i see

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kmyth:

thanks gain

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kmyth:

i guess i will have to live with it

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Dagmar:

The deal is that they're aiming for (or might already be there) someone being able to get halfway through a program and go "Oh gosh, I'd like to save this thing" and the box actually be able to save it from the point it started, rather than the point at which they told it to record

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Juski:

I don't even think it's a bug, but you could check the mailing lists, or try 0.19-fixes

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Juski:

Dagmar: the BBC have been experimenting with a system that does that (and more)

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kmyth:

thanks, im ready to schedule the World Cup recordings tomorrow :-D

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Juski:

to watch England lose? good on yer!

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kmyth:

LOL

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Juski:

oops that's today innit

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kmyth:

USA all the way!!!

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Dagmar:

Yay they're in stock again http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/lights/831e/

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xris:

wow. expensive toy

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topher:

is there a way to stream live tv over a network without using mythfrontend? i have a mac with vlc and i was wondering what the url is for live tv

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xris:

np

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xris:

no

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xris:

just install mythfrontend on your mac

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GeM:

it's possible with the live-tv patch for mythweb

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xris:

there's a live-tv patch for mythweb?

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xris:

why does no one send me these things so I can actually make them part of the official package?

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xris:

anyway, I need sleep....

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topher:

oh

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Dagmar:

hehehe

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GeM:

http://www.knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=MythstreamTVLive

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topher:

thanks gem

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topher:

ive been wanting to do something besides just sit on the couch with my myth box

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topher:

although you know, i do enjoy the couch ...

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topher:

what's with knoppix? is knoppix that popular for mythtv

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topher:

?

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Juski:

for some, yes

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Juski:

not me though

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Juski:

knoppix is okay but it's not the only quick & easy distro

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topher:

yea, i just did it with fedora core b/c my boss originally wanted me to test it and then he just gave me the box. the only advantage i see is if a distro has _good_ packages already for myth

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Juski:

and too many people regard knoppmyth as some kind of silver bullet, which it truly ain't

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topher:

hrm. well, it's a good direction. i think people certainly want it to be easy to set up

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Juski:

it _can_ be easy, but at the same time, sometimes it's not

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Juski:

easiest I've ever done is xebian on the xbox – ftp'd some files over & that was basically it

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topher:

yeah, i guess that's just computing in general though. there's far too many configurations out in the wild

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topher:

ah, yea see, when the hardware configuration is set, it becomes easy

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Juski:

right now I'm building a mythfrontend distro for this thing http://www.t-online-shop.de/res/product_200/resource_37828.jpg

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topher:

that looks good. it's just a frontend?

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Juski:

it could be a backend too, in theory

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topher:

are you on contract to produce it?

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Juski:

but 128MB ram might be pushing its luck a bit

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Juski:

lol no contract. I just want to

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topher:

haha, ah

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Juski:

there's already a couple of distros for it, but they're not widely available (password protected downloads)

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topher:

now is that an actual set-top box or one of those htpc intel-pcs-in-a-case sort of deals?

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Juski:

kind of both

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Juski:

photos here: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/s100

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Juski:

similar in lots of ways to the MSNTV box

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topher:

ah hey, it is an intel

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Juski:

celery M 733

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topher:

why is it limited to 128mb of ram? just for price? does the original firmware just have a small footprint?

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Juski:

128MB is more than enough for the OS it comes with (windows CE)

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topher:

ah

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Juski:

the OS comes on a 32MB DOM

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Juski:

hook up a keyboard, get into the BIOS.. and away you go

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topher:

that sounds like a cool box. it'll be nice to have an iso out there for it with mythtv

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Juski:

I hope it won't be as big as a full cd though ;-)

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Juski:

depends how much space I can save my deleting portage, manpages etc

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Juski:

the kernel source is huge too

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topher:

portage is gentoo right? youre customizing gentoo for it?

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Juski:

yep

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timmower:

hey if I am trying to setup lirc, and i get output when pressing buttons for lircd, but not for irw, does that mean my lircd.conf is wrong?

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Juski:

the base distro has nothing to do with it really – I'm just pretty comfy with gentoo

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Juski:

timmower: what? lircd has to be running for irw to work

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Juski:

hmpph. only on 23 of 43 packages for the plugins...

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timmower:

yep got them both running in different screen windows – but lircd shows output, irw does not

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topher:

ah, yeah, i can understand that. whenever we switch distros at work its always a little hindering to have to figure out where some system file has been placed

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Juski:

timmower: lircd doesn't generally give any output when you press IR keys

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timmower:

its running with the -n option

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timmower:

ie don't be a daemon

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Juski:

just run lircd like you're suppose to – i.e. as a daemon

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timmower:

yeah still no output for irw – the daemon thing was for testing it

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topher:

timmower: if it's any consolation, i had lirc troubles when i set up my box

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Juski:

then if irw doesn't give you any output when you press buttons, the likely cause is prolly the lirc daemon has died, or it's configured for the wrong device, e.g. /dev/lirc/0 instead of /dev/lirc0 or something

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Juski:

I've yet to get lirc working on my baby, but the makers have been crafty & connected the IR receiver to a microcontroller which outputs keyboard signals

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timmower:

ok now it says driver dev/input not supported then a list of supported drivers which includes /dev/input

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topher:

Juski: that almost sounds easier than having to configure lirc

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timmower:

guess it might be time to build lirc from source...

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Juski:

topher: the number keys are erm... 1,2,3,4,5 etc...

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Juski:

others are less obvious

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timmower:

woohooo its now working – if no irw output, check lircd.conf!!!

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timmower:

o and load ir_common module...

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Juski:

badabing

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Juski:

hmm looking inside this other s100 distro I can't seem to find how they've got lirc to work

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Juski:

bloody hell this might have the same cpu as an xbox but it's loads faster – must be to do with > 2x ram

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laga:

re

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laga:

Juski: why lirc? i think the remote is a ps/2 device.

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laga:

morning..

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Juski:

laga: it's a keyboard device indeed. they've got a couple of daemons in zenslack but I've not figured out how they work yet zenegafbd & zenegalircd

[10:16:56]

laga:

Juski: why do you need lirc then?

[10:17:01]

Juski:

laga: got the tv out sorted – tested it changed to svideo & true PAL (not your rubbish german PAL) .. mythfrontend works & stuff...

[10:17:23]

Juski:

laga: I don't know how to map the thing

[10:17:37]

laga:

Juski: mythcontrols?

[10:17:58]

Juski:

laga: that'd be fine if I knew which remote key was what

[10:18:22]

laga:

Juski: does it actually output sane stuff? or does it use some previously unused scancodes and you have to work with xmodmap?

[10:18:30]

Juski:

oh bugger

[10:18:42]

Juski:

it won't actually output anything when the front panel is unplugged!

[10:18:44]

Juski:

lol

[10:18:48]

laga:

*cough*

[10:18:55]

Juski:

I need to set X up to autologin

[10:19:04]

Juski:

and start a vnc server..

[10:19:31]

Juski:

hey I'm still high on getting this to work

[10:19:49]

laga:

;)

[10:19:54]

Juski:

not much over 2GB disk space used so far, so by the time I rip portage etc out...

[10:20:23]

laga:

mine boots a kernel now. but grub is acting up and it looks like the DOM is very slow

[10:20:41]

Juski:

I'll come to that later

[10:21:00]

Juski:

I should be able to just DD the HDD over to a USB flash

[10:21:11]

laga:

good luck

[10:21:13]

Juski:

or USB HDD

[10:21:50]

laga:

my gentoo without portage, kernel sources and ccache is 1,1g

[10:21:58]

Juski:

what?!

[10:22:23]

Juski:

there'll also be myql server though...

[10:22:28]

Juski:

stuff like that

[10:23:10]

laga:

styx:/var/lib/diskless/gentoo-bedtv# chroot .

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laga:

FATAL: kernel too old

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** laga blinks **

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Juski:

dammit my external hdd isn't being detected

[10:25:03]

Juski:

the usb key is ok though

[10:25:32]

laga:

rebooting fixed that kind of stuff for me

[10:25:44]

Juski:

oh wait.. it's up now – fdisk sees it

[10:26:54]

fatmatt:

does anyone know how I can check to see which version of mysql I'm using?

[10:27:05]

Juski:

mysql -v ?

[10:28:02]

Juski:

or mysql -u root -p -v

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Juski:

started the dd. I'll live to regret this

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Dagmar:

What are you dding/

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Juski:

one 160GB disk to another

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Juski:

over USB2

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Dagmar:

It'll take awhile but it *should* work

[10:30:52]

Dagmar:

Do they have the same sector count?

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Juski:

same model of disk AFAIK

[10:31:06]

Dagmar:

That's good

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Dagmar:

'cuz otherwise, bad things could happen

[10:31:18]

dscoular:

Hmm, I just noticed (thanks to xdpyinfo) that tv-out has been outputing video via my NVidia MX440 to my ordinary LG SD TV at 640x480. I just tried to set it to 800x600... and it jumped to 1024x768 and the tv-output looks better!?!!

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Juski:

Dagmar: yeh for sure but only to the output device?

[10:31:54]

Dagmar:

dscoular: Some nVidia cards actually have a crisper output at 1024x768 instead of 640x480. No idea why. I have one that does that

[10:32:10]

dscoular:

What res are people generally using for output to SD tv ? Should I be trying to match PAL res ?

[10:32:12]

Dagmar:

Juski: WEll, yeah, dd won't kill whta you're reading from

[10:32:29]

Dagmar:

...but if they weren't the same model drive, you were running the risk of "circumsizing" your filesystem

[10:32:49]

dscoular:

I'm now curious whether 800x600 is a good compromise.

[10:33:26]

dscoular:

The Xorg.0.log says: No valid modes for "800x600"; removing. No idea why.

[10:33:30]

Dagmar:

I'd use whatever res gives you the nicest image

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Dagmar:

dscoular: It's seeing the TV output and not say, the monitor, right?

[10:34:16]

Juski:

hmm maybe it'd just be a lot quicker to partition & dd the boot partition, then copy the rest over

[10:34:40]

Dagmar:

Juski: If the disk is less than half full, probably would be quicker to use cp -R

[10:34:41]

dscoular:

I have no monitor... only the TV-out is defined as a screen.

[10:35:05]

Dagmar:

dscoular: That's weird. We can at least be sure EDID isn't misreporting something then. :)

[10:35:19]

dscoular:

I was thinking that perhaps an exact match for PAL resolution on PAL tv-out would give the crispest TV-out.

[10:35:41]

Dagmar:

Probably whichever format most of your videos come in would be good

[10:35:53]

Dagmar:

I've got mine set to 60 because it's all NTSC here

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Dagmar:

er 60Hz

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dscoular:

NVIDIA(0): Unable to validate any modes; falling back to the default mode "nvidia-auto-select".

[10:36:29]

Dagmar:

Oo

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Juski:

jees this disk is slow!

[10:37:59]

** Juski hopes there was nothing of value on there... bah never mind **

[10:38:47]

Dagmar:

dscoular: You can try Option "ConnectedMonitor" "TV"

[10:39:10]

Dagmar:

Here's the xorg.conf I was using for 800x600

[10:40:14]

Juski:

is USB way slower when it's going through a hub?

[10:40:17]

Dagmar:

...and yes, I never bothered to rename the display from Princeton AGX700 to "Cheap-Ass TV"

[10:40:31]

Dagmar:

Juski: Depends on if it's a 2.0 hub

[10:40:32]

dscoular:

Dagmar, thanks... are you making it available on pastebin.ca ?

[10:40:50]

Juski:

making a 128MB partition is taking aaaages

[10:40:59]

Dagmar:

dscoular: Oh! My mistake.. I thought I'd just pasted the URL. I just scp'd it to my apache. http://blairhouse.homeip.net/xorg-tv.conf

[10:41:20]

Dagmar:

It's 5:41am here and I've been working all night

[10:41:41]

Dagmar:

...and someone should probably take the guy who wrote mysqldump and BEAT HIM until he makes the output of that program just a little more readable

[10:42:27]

Juski:

without the hub, wayyy faster

[10:42:43]

dscoular:

I'm curious if anyone has succeeded in getting an NVidia xorg.conf to display at PAL res: 720x576 ?

[10:43:03]

dscoular:

Dagmar, many thanks... I'll give it a whirl.

[10:43:14]

Juski:

dscoular: I got mine running at 800x600, and with an overscan of 14 it fits the screen perfectly

[10:43:27]

Dagmar:

I'm seriously considering eBaying a projector

[10:43:42]

Dagmar:

$300 isn't unreasonable to pay for a TV, right?

[10:43:51]

Juski:

for us poor guys stuck out here in SDTV land... ;-)

[10:43:58]

Dagmar:

SDTV?

[10:44:08]

Juski:

!= HDTV

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Dagmar:

Oh

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Dagmar:

One of the ones I was looking at the other day actually went for $320 USD

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dscoular:

640x480 and 1024x768 work perfectly with no overscan adjustment. the gui text is more readable on 1024x768 even though it's displaying on a PAL telly.

[10:44:41]

Dagmar:

It was actually made by Toshiba for use with computers at 1024x768, to boot

[10:44:52]

dscoular:

SD == Standard Definition

[10:45:15]

Dagmar:

I spent like $100 on the TV I have now, and it's S-video input sucks large

[10:45:50]

Dagmar:

It's got a good picture other than that (composite also works great). I could probably easily sell it to someone else for $50 and not feel bad about it

[10:45:55]

Juski:

I rented the TV I have now (the crappy 22" 4:3 set) – then the rental place went under & I got to keep it

[10:46:11]

Dagmar:

I just don't like that I've gone to all this trouble and I'm using $500-worth of hardware connected to a sub-standard TV

[10:46:11]

Juski:

must be ooo 12 years old now & still looks good

[10:46:19]

Dagmar:

Sweet!

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Dagmar:

This one is just a lil 19"

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Juski:

I'd paid for it twice over though

[10:47:21]

Juski:

and is it just me or does USB work better in linux than it does in windows?

[10:47:53]

Dagmar:

It does

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Dagmar:

Microsoft has ever been retarded about how it handles USB

[10:48:29]

Juski:

I bet firewire works better in linux too

[10:48:46]

Juski:

I usually have to plug a firewire device in twice for it to be detected :-/

[10:49:40]

Juski:

hrm... this dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/sda1 is taking a long time... should that work?

[10:49:51]

** Juski apologises for the noob Q's **

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dscoular:

Juski, you need to increase the dd buffer

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dscoular:

I'll give you an example

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Dagmar:

bs=512 helps in a big way

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Dagmar:

...or a larger multiple of 512

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dscoular:

bigger than that helps too

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dscoular:

Dagmar, is on the money

[10:51:05]

Juski:

right...

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dscoular:

dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/sda1 bs=1024k

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Dagmar:

I can't remember if there were other args needed to deal with a short read at the end or not tho. I don't *think* there is, or it doesn't matter if there is

[10:51:25]

Juski:

otherwise it'd just use a blocksize of 1 you mean?

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** Dagmar thinks **

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Dagmar:

Juski: It might well be using a blocksize of 1. I've never checked it

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hashbang:

Juski: don't worry, it'll handle the last short read fine.

[10:52:16]

Dagmar:

Okay yeah the short read at the end for not matching the modulus can't affect anything

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dscoular:

dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/sda1 bs=1M should work too

[10:52:28]

Dagmar:

I definitely need more caffiene

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** hashbang usually uses 10M dd buffers for that sort of thing. **

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dscoular:

depends on your RAM-a-lam-a-ding-dong

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hashbang:

dscoular: good point

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Juski:

I'm now _so_ glad I didn't just take some other guy's distro & that I stuck at this – been very rewarding so far

[10:53:24]

hashbang:

Juski: my TV is ex-rental too, from Granada. I paid ~100GBP for it in early 1998. It's Finlandia (Nokia?) and still going strong.

[10:53:36]

hashbang:

Juski: I don't know how old it is, but I'd guess at least 11 years.

[10:54:14]

dscoular:

So no-one has got an xorg.conf running at PAL 720x576 (just thought I'd ask one last time) ?

[10:55:05]

Juski:

dscoular: with nvidia's flicker filter thang you need not worry about deinterlacing etc.. and setting overscan sorts most things out

[10:55:38]

hashbang:

Dagmar: I think some cheap video cards have pretty unstable clocks once you get to the extremities of their range. E.g. my MX440 has a wobbly picture for 320x256 and the like.

[10:55:40]

Juski:

so if you _can't_ get 720x576 don't worry too much about it

[10:55:56]

jammyd:

Is it possible to force the backend to do a full EIT scan across all the channels

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hashbang:

dscoular: Modeline "720x576pali" 13.88 720 744 808 888 576 580 583 625 -hsync -vsync interlace

[10:56:18]

hashbang:

dscoular: that works for me, IIRC.

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hashbang:

dscoular: I use 768x576, though.

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Juski:

jammyd: change the timeout value to something lower than 5 minutes & just leave it I think

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hashbang:

ModeLine "768x576pali" 14.75 768 789 858 944 576 581 586 625 interlace -hsync

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hashbang:

-vsync

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dscoular:

hashbang, thanks... I'll give it a whirl... the 1024x768 it's running at now looks far better than the 640x480 I had before

[10:57:00]

hashbang:

that's with my VGA->SCART RGB cable.

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Dagmar:

hashbang: I'd go a bit further to say the output I was getting from my MX440 that I paid all of $16 was crap at *every* resolution

[10:57:21]

Dagmar:

hashbang: It made me reconsider my earlier decision to spend $20 on a replacement VGA cooler for my 5200

[10:57:22]

jammyd:

Juski: Where is the timeout value specified? in mythtv-setup ?

[10:57:47]

hashbang:

Dagmar: yeah, the one I'm using was intended to be in my main workstation of 4 years ago, but the output was blurry at >1024x768 and had a slightly yellowish tinge to it, too.

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Juski:

jammyd: yup

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hashbang:

dscoular: yeah, scaling up is probably easier to do nicely than scaling down.

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jammyd:

Juski: Cheers!

[10:58:24]

hashbang:

dscoular: no scaling at all is probably best, though.

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Dagmar:

hashbang: The MX440 was rough all-around, but the TV output on the 5200 is actually sharper and more stable at 1024x768 (colors are definitely more vivid) than 800 or 640

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Dagmar:

easier == looks worse

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hashbang:

all TV outputs are crap, IME.

[10:59:12]

hashbang:

certainly compared with RGB output

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Dagmar:

If I keep seeing these used VGA projectors going for $150 on ebay I'm going to have to snipe one soon

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Juski:

jammyd: 0.20 is going to be much better for EIT. the EIT branch in SVN _might_ be backported to work with 0.19-fixes I dunno

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** hashbang waits in for a parcel from Amazon via parcelnet. **

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jammyd:

Juski: Compared to the way things were done pre 0.19, I'm still very impressed!

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jammyd:

mythtv-setup doesn't successfully find all my channels though, but having looked through the tickets in trac it looks like the current EIT work may well fix that?

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Juski:

jammyd: not the EIT work – there's been a hell of a lot going on in the scanning dept. too (thanks stuarta et al)

[11:02:59]

dscoular:

(WW) NVIDIA(0): No valid modes for "720x576"; removing. :(

[11:03:32]

hashbang:

dscoular: is that with mine?

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dscoular:

hashbang, yes.

[11:06:31]

Juski:

jees I think that dd has screwed my disk!

[11:07:05]

Juski:

uncompressing linux... crc error

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hashbang:

Juski: were you doing that whilst hda was mounted?

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Juski:

hashbang: yup

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dscoular:

oh my god!

[11:08:44]

hashbang:

dscoular: check horiz/vert sync ranges

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Juski:

is that where I went wrong?

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Juski:

lol

[11:08:54]

hashbang:

Juski: yup

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hashbang:

Juski: probably

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Juski:

oops

[11:09:06]

hashbang:

Juski: is this sda1 that's failing to boot?

[11:09:15]

dscoular:

Juski, you can only use dd on a quiescent partition

[11:09:18]

Juski:

no.. hda3 is corrupt

[11:09:25]

Juski:

and it was mounted at the time

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hashbang:

Juski: that shouldn't have happened.

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dscoular:

huh... you have corruption on the disk you were reading ?

[11:09:53]

Juski:

yup

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hashbang:

Juski: what does smartctl -a say about it?

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dscoular:

the disk must have already been dodgy IMHO

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dscoular:

heh... smartctl always tells me I'm on a hiding to nothing ;)

[11:10:27]

hashbang:

dscoular: HorizSync 0 – 16

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hashbang:

VertRefresh 49 – 62

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dscoular:

hashbang, thx

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hashbang:

dscoular: Option "ConnectedMonitor" "CRT"

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dscoular:

k

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Juski:

well since I need to reinstall anyway...

[11:11:28]

hashbang:

dscoular: you might want to use "TV" if you're using composite

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Dagmar:

Euw. You shouldn't use dd to copy a filesystem that is mounted

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Dagmar:

Not unless it's mounted read-only

[11:13:15]

Juski:

ahh this might have been a different mistake

[11:14:49]

Juski:

ffs

[11:14:54]

Juski:

that was simple

[11:15:11]

Juski:

the PATA HDD is PM-Maxtor160

[11:15:21]

Juski:

the USB2 HDD is Maxtor 160

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Juski:

the bios changed its mind when I reconnected the USB drive & decided to boot from that, which had the aborted copy of /dev/hda3 on it

[11:17:24]

laga:

heh. you can also change the boot devices in the BIOS

[11:17:49]

Juski:

laga: I _know_ that already, but if you plug a USB drive in, it overrides everything else

[11:18:11]

Juski:

i.e. it changes your saved settings

[11:18:14]

laga:

Juski: ah. ok.

[11:18:16]

Juski:

bear that in mind

[11:18:21]

jammyd:

that's a bit pants!

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UbAh:

hey Chicago

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Chicago:

whuddup

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Juski:

jammyd: not really since the config won't change often

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UbAh:

nm

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Juski:

and bearing in mind I'm doing stuff it's not intended for ;-)

[11:19:22]

UbAh:

still getting the same errors using nuvexport...

[11:19:44]

jammyd:

Juski: I wouldn't want my BIOS to change the boot order just becuase i have a USB drive plugged in. If I specify that it should try USB last, it really should!

[11:20:06]

Chicago:

really. did you try it on all your distros? If you have an nuvexport installed on any computer it should work

[11:20:21]

Juski:

jammyd: it's really not a big concern on this box

[11:21:07]

UbAh:

I have failed on slack and mandriva so far

[11:22:18]

Chicago:

well... if you make a small sample file, I will try to convert it.

[11:22:25]

Juski:

hmm I did umount -r /dev/hda3 but mount still shows it as mounted rw

[11:22:31]

Chicago:

record or 9 or 10 seconds and then host the .nuv

[11:23:18]

UbAh:

ok how do i send a file in IRC?

[11:23:24]

UbAh:

<< IRC nub

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laga:

UbAh: dcc

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jammyd:

Juski: Do you want to unmount it, or just remount it readonly ?

[11:24:41]

Juski:

remount it readonly

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jammyd:

what does 'mount -oremount,ro /dev/hda3' do ?

[11:25:19]

UbAh:

Chicago: do you have qnext?

[11:25:31]

Juski:

jammyd: still same

[11:25:31]

Chicago:

UbAh: I can just get it if you put it in your www dir.

[11:26:02]

jammyd:

Juski: Does it give any errors? Is there anything using the volume at the moment (lsof?)

[11:26:26]

Chicago:

UbAh: I don't have qnext.

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Juski:

jammyd: no errors, and I'm just logged into it... no X or anything running

[11:26:58]

Chicago:

UbAh: I'm check out the qnext.com website now though.

[11:27:17]

UbAh:

it is nice

[11:27:26]

UbAh:

I use it to share files sexcurly

[11:27:37]

UbAh:

and listen to my music while at wrok

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Chicago:

I use ED2K:... do you have edonkey. I would be interested in seeing how long it takes me to find the hash. ;)

[11:27:41]

Dagmar:

We don't really want to know about your "sexcurly" files

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UbAh:

um thats an odd looking typo...

[11:28:28]

UbAh:

<UbAh> I use it to share files sexcurly

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Dagmar:

A bit too telling, I think.

[11:28:43]

UbAh:

that sounds more interesting than secure though

[11:29:08]

Juski:

heh.. even umount -f /dev/hda3 isn't umounting it. I need to stop work & use a bootcd then

[11:29:13]

Dagmar:

Sounds to me like it refers to files I'll sleep better not knowing about. heh

[11:29:26]

Dagmar:

Juski: What part of your fs is there?

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** UbAh goes to put some burgers on the forman **

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Juski:

Dagmar: nm I'll just use a bootcd

[11:30:31]

Dagmar:

If it's / you can't use the remount option. You'll have to use pivot_root, which I'm not sure can be trusted to do that safely

[11:31:11]

Juski:

oh fuck I've been invited to a BBQ tonight

[11:31:21]

laga:

Juski: so no hacking? ;)

[11:31:32]

Juski:

normally I'd say "yay!" and do a little dance, but not this particular household we'll be visiting

[11:31:53]

Juski:

laga: I think it'd be a good idea to stop where I am now, back it all up, then proceed later

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laga:

i have a great way to deal with such things. i just don't go. ;)

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Juski:

laga: you don't have a wife yet do you? ;-)

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laga:

Juski: i have a GF but she's comfortable with going alone ;)

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Dagmar:

THey're known to serve guests?

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Dagmar:

...as in cook them and eat them?

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UbAh:

back

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Juski:

Dagmar: they have _loads_ of kids

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Juski:

I'll have to get very drunk to put up with that

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UbAh:

dam Chicago I cant send you a pm...

[11:36:29]

Juski:

UbAh: you need a registered nick in these parts

[11:36:36]

UbAh:

let me know if you get qnext and i will give you access to my share

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alieas:

greets' folks

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Chicago:

UbAh: what's the problem?

[11:36:41]

UbAh:

ok how do i register

[11:36:49]

UbAh:

again

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** UbAh is a IRC n00b **

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Juski:

UbAh: see the server messages

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UbAh:

Chicago: I get ffmpeg had critical errors: pipe:: Error while opening file

[11:38:18]

Chicago:

UbAh: here's a link to the Overnet command line client v1.3.0 http://forum.edonkey.com/viewtopic.php?t=57698

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Dagmar:

Man, imagine that. Ffmpg _never_ malfunctions

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** Dagmar admires how the air crinkles around the horrific misrepresentation of the word "never" **

[11:46:44]

Juski:

ahh screw the backup .. work needs to be done!

[11:47:06]

Juski:

I can take it to work & clone it on monday at 2GB/min

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UbAh:

Chicago: now I may need to ask questions unrelated to mythTV cuz I dont know what I am doing in edonkey....

[11:55:15]

UbAh:

nothing is simple

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Chicago:

UbAh

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UbAh:

yep

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Chicago:

UbAh: join #ed2k

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Ghotcom:

hello

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Ghotcom:

someone here with a WinTV usb Hauppauge TV bridge ?

[12:02:56]

Ghotcom:

It doesn t work with usbvision CVS

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dscoular:

Woo hoo! I've got my NVidia TV-out matching my PAL-B res 720x576... twas just needing the HorizSync 30–50, and VertRefresh 60 from the NVidia README.txt... thanks hashbang!

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Juski:

hrm autologin without a big wm is more difficult than I thought

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laga:

Juski: there are different ways. launch X via inittab or rc.local (hint: su – mythtv -c startx)

[12:18:23]

laga:

my kernel doesn't start init.

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Juski:

hokay got X starting all by itself.. no autologin yet

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laga:

well, that's what i'd call autologin :)

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Juski:

got that working now...

[12:26:41]

Juski:

remote keys – most of them (numbers, arrow keys, OK) work fine

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Juski:

the rest will need to be remapped

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laga:

getting mad here.

[12:28:26]

Juski:

it's almost Beer-o-clock!

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** laga drools **

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Juski:

that's the consolation of going to the bbq ;-) I'm not driving

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laga:

heh

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Juski:

the other one is I get to miss the game cos I'm manning the bbq :-)

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laga:

you're lucky.

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laga:

i fscking hate soccer and it's impossible to escape

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Juski:

foolball

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scopeuk:

yeh learn to speek english or rename your language american ;-)

[12:41:23]

Juski:

and you need to learn to spell :-P

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laga:

"learn to speek english"

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laga:

dude. ;)

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Juski:

and I need to get pissed... see ya

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scopeuk:

oops

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scopeuk:

speak*

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dscoular:

hmm, latest 0.19-fixes svn seems an improvement... no locked up input or 'Error was encountered while displaying video' after a day watching livetv.

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StevieG:

Hey all — my mysql database (I think) has developed an oddness, and I'm looking for some assistance in resolving it.

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fridge:

What is RTJPEG?

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StevieG:

Any myth database experts out there?

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fridge:

how about you explain this oddness in more detail

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fridge:

and we'll see

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laga:

StevieG: just ask a real question

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StevieG:

Okay... Basically, I have a recorded program that's undeletable.

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StevieG:

Trying to delete it appears to work, but the program is still there.

[13:26:03]

StevieG:

The recording times indicate that the program is an hour long, but the recorded length of the data indicates it's only half an hour.

[13:26:57]

StevieG:

My guess is there was a glitch in the programming data downloaded from zap2it...other than that, I'm not sure how it could have happened.

[13:27:42]

StevieG:

In any case, I'm guessing the entry for that program will have to be manually purged from the database, and my SQL and understanding of the myth database format are not sufficient to do this.

[13:28:03]

StevieG:

Has anyone seen anything like this before?

[13:29:18]

StevieG:

Anyone familiar enough with SQL and the myth database format to help me explore/fix the problem?

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laga:

i'd suggest that you install phpmyadmin or something similar and read the mysql docs. you're looking for the recorded table, BTW

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fridge:

StevieG: is the file still on the filesystem?

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fridge:

or has it been deleted and only exists as an entry in the db?

[13:30:35]

StevieG:

The file was around for a while. I deleted it manually about a week ago to see if that would help. (It didn't.)

[13:30:44]

StevieG:

So no, it's no longer there.

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StevieG:

Downloading phpmyadmin as we speak. I'll give it a try and see if I can learn anything. Any other suggestions?

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fridge:

you could launch mysql and do "delete from recorded where basename = '<filename>';"

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StevieG:

Playing with phpmyadmin right now. Looks like a pretty sweet tool. I'm going to try making the change from here. I'll fall back on invoking mysql directly if I can't get this to work.

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StevieG:

Thanks for the suggestions, all...

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StevieG:

Haha! Phpmyadmin did the trick. Thanks for the help, everyone!

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laga:

:)

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kleptophobiac:

is there a way to compile mythtv with xvmc for nvidia on a machine that has a non nvidia xvmc compatible card

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laga:

i think you'd have to install the nvidia drivers

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kleptophobiac:

yeah, that's not a problem

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kleptophobiac:

just for the libs

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laga:

on debian, the nvidia-glx package ought to be sufficient

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kleptophobiac:

but the configure script

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kleptophobiac:

always uses the autodetected xvmc

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kleptophobiac:

so i get intel xvmc rather than nvidia xvmc when compiling

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joem236:

hello all

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joem236:

*

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JavaJunk1:

er lo, can I ask basic compilation questions in here ?

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joem236:

hello

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JavaJunk1:

any one know why I might be getting a seg-fault when *compiling* on a brand new ubuntu installation, it appears to beusing g++ v 4 ?

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joem236:

is g++ segfaulting?

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JavaJunk1:

it seems so :(

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joem236:

ok

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joem236:

are you doing this as root?

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JavaJunk1:

right at this moment I am

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joem236:

type ulimit -c unlimited

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joem236:

then recompile

[14:27:37]

joem236:

when it segfaults you'll end up with a file called core.[PID #]

[14:28:07]

joem236:

you can then use gdb -c core.[PID #] to get the back trace...

[14:28:33]

JavaJunk1:

hokey, bear with whilst I wait for it to fall-over..

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JavaJunk1:

(ta)

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joem236:

np

[14:29:03]

joem236:

what mythtv version are you trying to compile?

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JavaJunk1:

svn head.

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joem236:

ok

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Cardoe:

JavaJunk1: your hardware is probably at fault

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Cardoe:

you're getting an ICE or a direct seg fault while compiling?

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JavaJunk1:

same hardware was compiling last night though ?

[14:30:51]

JavaJunk1:

yeah

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Cardoe:

JavaJunk1: gcc -dumpversion

[14:31:03]

JavaJunk1:

I could understand a memory issue..

[14:31:05]

Cardoe:

JavaJunk1: doesn't matter same hardware as last night

[14:31:08]

JavaJunk1:

bear with I'll open up a new ssh term.

[14:31:20]

Cardoe:

JavaJunk1: I asked you and either or question and you said "yes"

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JavaJunk1:

chil dude, wrong window (sorry), not sure what the diff betwen an ICE or direct seg fault would be ?

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Cardoe:

Internal Compiler Error or direct Seg Fault

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Cardoe:

one says "Seg Fault" and one says "ICE: Internal Compiler Error"

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JavaJunk1:

gcc -dumpversion

[14:33:17]

JavaJunk1:

4.0.3

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JavaJunk1:

and Seg Fault then ...but bear with I've just kicked off a new build, and *stupidly* not copied+pasted the previous error out :( ..

[14:35:00]

Cardoe:

it's most likely hardware

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Cardoe:

or the fact that it's 4.0.x

[14:35:37]

Cardoe:

but pastebin some more context

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JavaJunk1:

well I think its g++ that's falling over rather than gcc if that helps, I've tried changing the gcc sym-link between 4 and 3.4 and that didn't seem to matter.

[14:36:01]

JavaJunk1:

as soon as the flipping thing breaks again I will, but *ironically* its currently cheerfully compiling!

[14:36:15]

** JavaJunk1 regrets buying a celeron 'because they're cheap' ;) **

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Cardoe:

if it seg faults at different spots each time

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Cardoe:

100% hardware

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JavaJunk1:

which it does..

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JavaJunk1:

err okey, which 'bit' of hardware... the mem test I ran before completed just fine...

[14:37:07]

Cardoe:

doesn't always show

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Cardoe:

how long did you run it?

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Cardoe:

memtest doesn't hit every code path

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Cardoe:

and same types of memory transfers

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Cardoe:

it could be motherboard/chipset

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JavaJunk1:

an hour or so I think...

[14:37:39]

Cardoe:

heat on the processor

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Cardoe:

an hour is nothing for memtest

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kleptophobiac:

run 8 hours of memtest

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kleptophobiac:

and 24 hours of merseinne prime search

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Cardoe:

bingo

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kleptophobiac:

if it survives that with no errors

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kleptophobiac:

you know your hardware is fairly stable

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kleptophobiac:

sans graphics

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JavaJunk1:

or I could just swap back out the new hard-disk and put back in the one that compiles svn head without a problem ! :)

[14:38:37]

joem236:

also check for acpi temperature warnings in vlm

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JavaJunk1:

I can't cope without a working myth box for 24 hours of diagnostics, my missus will shoot me ;)

[14:39:20]

JavaJunk1:

just out-of-interest could that ulimit I did before have had *any* impact on the compilation process ?

[14:39:28]

JavaJunk1:

ro would that only affect the core dumps ?

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Cardoe:

only affect core dumps

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joem236:

by default ulimit -c is set to 0 which is no core files

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JavaJunk1:

cr@p kernel panic, I'm coming around to your hardware theory, noooo

[14:42:39]

joem236:

yup definitely hardware....

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joem236:

was it in an interrupt handler?

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JavaJunk1:

not sure, it screwed the screen

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JavaJunk1:

whilst I'm on and hasslng, has --enable-eit now been deprecated?

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Cardoe:

JavaJunk1: try swapping out diff components to see what it could be

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JavaJunk1:

its an asus-pundit, so not really a lot of swapping avaialble to me :(

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kleptophobiac:

OT: let's say i've got experience in C and java, what would be a good way to move into C++ w/ GUI (preferably Windows GUI)

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havoc:

hiya

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havoc:

hahaha

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** havoc reads http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/wiki/index.php/FAQ **

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JavaJunk1:

in response to your earlier question it appears to be an ICE

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havoc:

specifically http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/wiki/index.php/FAQ#Wh . . . or_MythTV.3F

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havoc:

can you gues what I was going to sak? ;)

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JavaJunk1:

http://pastebin.ca/63721

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kleptophobiac:

yeah

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kleptophobiac:

looks like hw

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JavaJunk1:

well that sucks.

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kleptophobiac:

unexplained internal compiler failures mean hardware

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JavaJunk1:

I@m once again reminded as to why I moved away from C code ;), far too close to the metal <g>

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Anduin:

JavaJunk1: Does it happen in different locations?

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kleptophobiac:

see, that's why I'm moving towards C

[14:52:44]

kleptophobiac:

:)

[14:52:59]

kleptophobiac:

i mess with hardware directly

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JavaJunk1:

I did do C/C++ for years, you wouldn't think it now though, far too long out of it <g>

[14:53:38]

JavaJunk1:

anduin: seems so.

[14:53:56]

znoG:

hey, whenever I switch channels with MythTV, it freeeezes. The only change I made was recompiled mythtv without OSS and WITH ALSA ... any ideas?

[14:54:01]

kleptophobiac:

heh, i make little microcomputers

[14:54:05]

kleptophobiac:

and C is the name of the game

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kleptophobiac:

since I refuse to do asm

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JavaJunk1:

yeah C's definately good for the little hings in life ;) ...and the big things ..and gah why did I leave it all behind ;)

[14:54:40]

znoG:

NVR::AudioInit() This Unix doesn't support device files for audio access. Skipping

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kleptophobiac:

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e360/klepto . . . e-layout.png

[14:54:44]

znoG:

that's what it said

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Anduin:

znoG: hardware encoding cards only?

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JavaJunk1:

'fun' ;)

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znoG:

Anduin: just an analog card, no hardware decode/encode

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kleptophobiac:

:p

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Anduin:

znoG: Then stop disabling OSS, you are shooting your own foot.

[14:56:28]

znoG:

Anduin: ah, right. I read' somewhere that if you do that it uses ALSA, but I just found a post on Google that said the same thing you did :)

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JavaJunk1:

hmm, I'm not getting a core-dump just fyi ?

[14:58:34]

Anduin:

JavaJunk1: Many distros disable them by default.

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JavaJunk1:

I've done the ulimit -c unlimited though

[14:59:16]

Anduin:

JavaJunk1: You did the memtest86 thing?

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laga:

the channel FAQ is horribly out of date, we should update it some time

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JavaJunk1:

yeah, the one on the ubuntu cd.

[14:59:37]

JavaJunk1:

not sur eif thats the one from memtest.org

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JavaJunk1:

or not

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kleptophobiac:

sigh, i hate my life

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JavaJunk1:

're-assuring'

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JavaJunk1:

should myth compile with gcc 3.4.6 ?

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Cardoe:

JavaJunk1: on a box that's compiled with gcc-4?

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Cardoe:

znoG: it's cause you got rid of oss

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JavaJunk1:

err, and this inevitably is a stupid question how would I discover what my installation was compiled with, given I@m currently 'out-of-the-box' ...uname -a doesn't appear to help..

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eidoLaptop:

hey folks – i'm still working on splitting my mythtv installatioin into front end and back end... i have a question though. one of hte big things i use myth for is playing games in the emulators. will this work okay in a split system? the frontend box, what, mounts the filesystems off the mythserver?

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Anduin:

eidoLaptop: Yes.

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eidoLaptop:

egggzellent. then there's no reason not to continue with my nefarious plans.

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JavaJunk1:

yet-another-daft-question, do I need to link with xv if I'm using sis chipset, with a nova-t Dvb card ? ..

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laga:

Beirdo: http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/wiki/index.php/Talk:Main_Page &n dash; gotta clean up ;)

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armenb:

is there a way i can get mythtv to stop "prescaling theme images" when i start it up?

[15:56:22]

armenb:

why isn't this something it can do on a permanent basis?

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eidoLaptop:

afaik, that only happens when a resolutioin or configuration change happens. on my main box, it only happens when i change themes.

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eidoLaptop:

are you runing maybe a livecd FE or something?

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raf_k:

anyone here who was able to get the ir receiver of a hauppauge nova-t-usb2 to work?

[16:11:39]

fridge:

I only have a Nova-T PCI

[16:11:41]

fridge:

sorry

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raf_k:

:)

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** eidoLaptop downloads KnoppMyth R5C7. **

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speedsix:

howdy all

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laga:

howdy speedsix

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** speedsix is melting in the heat **

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laga:

heh

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speedsix:

any brits here?

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eidoLaptop:

it's 67 and raining here. :(

[16:16:53]

speedsix:

I feel it's my duty to moan when the temperature falls outside the 20–30c range ;)

[16:17:38]

laga:

;)

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speedsix:

Well my myth setup is working perfectly so I uh.. don't really have much to say on the mythtv front I'm afraid :)

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speedsix:

Anyone heard any mumblings about a possible IM plugin for myth?

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fridge:

my setup is working, I thought I'd break it by compiling the svn trunk

[16:21:30]

speedsix:

been there, done that, bought the t-shirt :/

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speedsix:

Where is the 'official' place to request features? Is it the wiki wah wah page?

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fridge:

not sure

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fridge:

I'm mainly doing the source compile so that I can build mythstream against it and listen to net radio

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speedsix:

I really need to give mythstream a go, sounds intresting

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fridge:

It's a shame it isn't in the central repository with the other plugins

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fridge:

I imagine more people would listen to net radio than own netflix accoutns

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sphery:

fridge: I think the author of MythStream didn't want to (have time to?) make some changes Isaac wanted before including MythStream in the plugins

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eidolon:

it gives me all sorts of warm fuzzies to watch a machine that was, a short time ago, booting into Windows NT (4.0 even), come up happily as a MythTV box. only one cd application is all it took!

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Juski:

evenin' all

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eidolon:

hey juski.

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** eidolon is working on the FE box. **

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** Juski is a bit drunk **

[17:28:14]

eidolon:

Sat Jun 10 13:28:24 EDT 2006

[17:28:19]

eidolon:

dude. a little early, eh? :)

[17:29:03]

Juski:

18:28 here actually

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DrNickRiviera:

i'm trying to setup the myth svn, compiling etc. all goes fine, but when i run mythfilldatabase i get this error message:

[17:29:42]

DrNickRiviera:

There are no channel sources defined, did you run the setup program?

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eidolon:

so did you run the setup program? :)

[17:29:54]

DrNickRiviera:

i have run mythtv-setup

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DrNickRiviera:

and run xmltv

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Juski:

and did you enter any channels and config the xmltv grabber?

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Juski:

oh bugger my neck is sunburnt

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Juski:

!seen laga

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MythLogBot:

laga is here and has been idle for 1 hour 13 minutes 56 seconds

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Juski:

hey laga: the remote wakes the s100 box up!

[17:32:06]

Juski:

(without windows CE!)

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DrNickRiviera:

yes, i did get the channels with the xmltv grabber and they are listed in ~/.mythtv/.xmltv

[17:32:41]

eidolon:

HOLY SHIT!

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eidolon:

my front end is working!!!!

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** eidolon happy-dances. **

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Juski:

DrNickRiviera: .xmltv? it's normally <video_source_name>.xmltv

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eidolon:

hmm, okay, mythgallery is saing there's nothing mounted.... to get the myth volumes remotely mounted, what magic do i need to do? set up the nfs shares manually?

[17:35:12]

Juski:

eidolon: yup

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Juski:

same with mythvideo. tv is the only thing passed over the myth protocol ;-)

[17:35:34]

eidolon:

okay, gotcha.

[17:35:46]

eidolon:

i already have the exports. i'm super-impressed. this is -way friggin cool-

[17:35:51]

eidolon:

sound and video seem okay...

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DrNickRiviera:

juski: is that <video_source_name> being a folder in ~ ?

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Juski:

DrNickRiviera: ~/.mythtv

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DrNickRiviera:

last couple of times i set myth up it just worked, so i never checked where .xmltv was

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DrNickRiviera:

so it should be ~/,mythtv/<video_source_name>/.xmltv ?

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Juski:

DrNickRiviera: no... ~/.mythtv/<videosourcename>.xmltv

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Juski:

e.g. ~/.mythtv/antenna.xmltv

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DrNickRiviera:

ah, just noticed that there is also a file called Main.xmltv there

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Juski:

what's your video source called? that'll be the file... name_of_the_video_source.xmltv

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DrNickRiviera:

is the video source name the name of the device in /dev?

[17:40:18]

Juski:

no

[17:40:20]

DrNickRiviera:

because i haven't set the source up in mythtv yet

[17:40:34]

Juski:

so how the hell do you expect mythfilldatabase to work ;-)

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DrNickRiviera:

i don't get to that point, get told i should run mythfilldatabase

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Juski:

erm... you should only be told that when you leave mythtv-setup – and you don't do that til you're finished doing the initial setting up

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DrNickRiviera:

when i run mythtv-setup it just comes up with a screen saying that if this is the backend i should run mythfilldatabase

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Juski:

something's wrong in that case

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DrNickRiviera:

hmm, well i ran it and had the 2 screens, one with the database information etc and then a second one with wake-on-lan stuff on it

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DrNickRiviera:

it wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that i compiled it with dvd-enabled, would it?

[17:42:38]

Juski:

nope

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eidolon:

okay, so i see /myth exported on my be host. do i just mount that to /myth locally? won't that mess up the FE app?

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** Juski is too drunk right now... see ya'll laterz **

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eidolon:

later juski :)

[17:43:19]

DrNickRiviera:

cu

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DrNickRiviera:

anyone else got an idea why it might be skipping a large part of mythtv-setup?

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eidolon:

hmm. VGA monitors suck as video. :)

[17:45:18]

eidolon:

like, a normal 1280x1024 monitor, running mfe.. :)

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laga:

Juski: nice.

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hashbang:

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060609-7028.html

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hashbang:

Developers from Google's research laboratory presented a paper (PDF) about interactive television applications that leverage ambient audio analysis at the Euro Interactive Television conference last week. The research paper, which describes a system for providing contextually relevant web content for television consumers, received the best paper award. The described system uses a computer microphone to analyze the audio being emi

[18:20:50]

hashbang:

tted by a television, and uses that data to determine what show the user is watching.

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hashbang:

"eeUuuggh! eeUgggh! Yeah, baby! eeUgggh!"

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hashbang:

"It looks like you're watching pornography. Maybe you would like to visit one of these websites?"

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laga:

uh. flesh overflow.

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speedsix:

LOL

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speedsix:

anyone using ubuntu dapper?

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Cardoe:

I still have my VIA

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Cardoe:

the board RIGHT before the mini-ITX

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Cardoe:

it's actually 1cm in 1 direction bigger then mini-ITX

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Cardoe:

VIA called it super small micro-ATX

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Cardoe:

and the only diff between this board and the mini-ITX that came out afterwards is they got rid of the ISA slot on it.

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Cardoe:

which saved them that last 1cm

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Cardoe:

it actually fits many mini-ITX cases

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Cardoe:

doh wrong channel

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AngryElf:

is it possible that my on-board optical/coax-output doesn't support digital/ac3/5.1 sound?

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xris:

AngryElf: onboard, unlikely, driver, possibly, configuration, likely.

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Anduin:

Beirdo: A cool feature for MythLogBot would be after it has seen someone 100 (or maybe 1000 times, some arbitrary largish number > 1) it would just stop reminding them.

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AngryElf:

it's spitting analog sound out the digital port fine, i can't get digital out it though :(

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xris:

Anduin: or stored prefs for each user to turn off the notification

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Anduin:

xris: Yup, any way to turn it off I'd welcome.

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xris:

AngryElf: you'll definitely need alsa for it, and I have no idea how to configure it.

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AngryElf:

yea, i'm using alsa to get the analog out

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alieas:

any QAM users ?

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Juski:

re

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Juski:

hmmm looks like I very much need to install xev for a while

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Juski:

damn. it's masked. apart from xev is there any other way for linux to tell me what the code is for each keypress? I need to find out what some keys do.. ;-)

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Juski:

well not just masked – it's dependencies are masked too.

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xris:

Juski: isn't that a pretty standard part of x, though?

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Juski:

xris: not got it here

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Juski:

oh wait.. stupid me

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xris:

?

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Juski:

I got it

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xris:

lol

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Juski:

oh shit I need to open a terminal in this minimal wm

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Juski:

it's nice to be back on the learning curve again

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eidolon:

juski, i thought you were taking a break? :)

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Juski:

I did

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Juski:

hmm can I actually do that – start up an application on the X desktop from a ssh login?

[19:19:05]

Juski:

by the time I find out it'd be quicker to restart X..

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eidolon:

so. interesting. my mfe box – PIII-800... running fine, working as it should. but navigating the menus is pretty slow. when i select 'watch tv' – playing livetv from the backend box, it streams video just fine – looks great.

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Juski:

eidolon: how much ram do you have?

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eidolon:

128meg.

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Juski:

what desktop env?

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eidolon:

none. or whatever knoppmyth installs. not gnome or kde or whatever.

[19:20:31]

Juski:

got 128 on this box here, and some of that is stolen by the vga chipset – all pretty nippy

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eidolon:

heh. ps shows 'x-window-manager'

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eidolon:

how handy.

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Juski:

indeed

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** eidolon follows the symlinks and finds... fluxbox **

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Juski:

dammit I'll just add an xterm to my autologin session

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eidolon:

yeeegods.

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eidolon:

http://www.homeport.org/~dbs/out.txt <-- the top 3 lines there are me just clicking the up and down arrow a lot on the menus :)

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eidolon:

so, yeah, i think we're hitting some memory issues :)

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Juski:

only 3k free?

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eidolon:

k, need to hack thingsup so the knoppmyth box doesn't try to start the back end or mysql on startup, then reboot. wanna try a reboot before fiddling ram.

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Juski:

mysql will be eating the ram I suspect

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eidolon:

i shut it down already

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eidolon:

manually stopped it after the install.

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xris:

eidolon: you're not running svn, are you?

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eidolon:

nosir. the mfe box is running knoppmyth R5C7.

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eidolon:

the BE box is R5A... 3 or something like that.

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xris:

just wanted to check that you weren't running into opengl-menu issues

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eidolon:

nope :)

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laga:

eidolon: knoppmyth uses fluxbox

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eidolon:

yep, got that, laga. :)

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eidolon:

hrm. if i put a dvd in the BE machine's drive, can i watch it remotely?

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eidolon:

this whole FE/BE thing is new to me, bear with me :)

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Juski:

something tells me maybe I should've gone with fluxbox rather than ratpoison

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Cardoe:

xris: people really don't want to apply correctly for jobs huh?

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xris:

Cardoe: not in my experience.

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Juski:

this takes me back a while. stabbing in the dark, learning by experience

[19:39:17]

Juski:

laga: did you see the bit earlier today when I thought I'd broken my /dev/hda3 ?

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eidolon:

hey juski, ever seen this? (4 lines of paste)

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eidolon:

hdc: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }

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eidolon:

hdc: command error: error=0x54 { AbortedCommand LastFailedSense=0x05 }

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eidolon:

ide: failed opcode was: unknown

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eidolon:

end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, sector 26488

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eidolon:

that's what happens when i try to view a DVD :( :( :(

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** eidolon is guessing my DVD player may be hosed. :( **

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Juski:

doesn't look too good

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Juski:

if it's old just buy a new one anyway. new == faster & quieter ;-)

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** Juski is the only person in #zenega.. hmm **

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eidolon:

but that shouldn't happen during normal myth + xine + linux operation, right?

[19:41:19]

Cardoe:

xris: I still haven't gotten 1 that I feel like even answering

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xris:

:(

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laga:

Juski: yep

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Juski:

laga: I'm currently running xev to get the keycodes from the s100 remote

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laga:

Juski: so you're gonna fiddle with xmodmap?

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** laga goes to read up on evdev **

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Juski:

laga: is that how the zenega guys do it?

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laga:

Juski: i dunno – but IIRC, evdev is only supported correctly in newer versions of x.org. it may have some advantages, though, that's why i'm googling

[19:53:49]

Juski:

zenslack has 2 files.. zenegafbd (for s100 I think) and another

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Juski:

files/programs

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Juski:

damned if I know what they do though

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laga:

zenegafbd might be zenega only – prolly switches to the pcc sat board. what does zenegfbd --help say?

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Juski:

nothing

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Juski:

oh wait... fbd.. could be... framebuffer daemon?

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laga:

yep.

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Juski:

well – I think it's not gonna matter to anybody if I translate these keycodes

[19:57:44]

laga:

to me ;))

[19:57:51]

Juski:

a keymap can make more than one key do the same thing can't it?

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Kazan:

anyone have a sample clip of HDTV content for stress testing – maybe even a HDTV sample of the world cup matches :D

[19:58:38]

Juski:

hmm... xev is only seeming to show me the mousey stuff

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Juski:

laga: why would it matter? they're only low ASCII by the look of em

[19:59:17]

Juski:

c == backspace

[19:59:21]

Juski:

ok == enter

[19:59:30]

Juski:

arrows == arrow buttons ;-)

[19:59:51]

laga:

Juski: ah, i thought you had to map them to real usable X events or something

[20:00:01]

Juski:

don't think so at all

[20:00:16]

Juski:

no I just need to change a keymap or something (I think)

[20:00:55]

Juski:

to make whatever comes out in an xterm as [[£ into the key for 'exit' ;-)

[20:01:40]

Juski:

that £ could well be '6' though

[20:02:37]

Juski:

hang on. couldn't I just cat sdtin to a file?

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jammyd:

Kazan: http://www.giusberto.ch/hdtv/

[20:04:15]

Kazan:

ty

[20:05:40]

jammyd:

np

[20:06:02]

jammyd:

Would anyone be interested in getting e-mails from the backend when a conflict appeared in the schedule?

[20:06:15]

Kazan:

myth capable of playing that sample?

[20:06:18]

jammyd:

It seems like a handy feature, but i've not found anything suggesting it's been tried at all

[20:06:32]

Kazan:

H.264

[20:06:45]

jammyd:

Kazan: No, not without some patches you can probably get out of trac, iirc. The libraries we depend on don't support it themselves

[20:07:12]

jammyd:

There was some discussion about it on the myth list (dev, i think) – try searching the archives for details

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Kazan:

powerdvd cannot play it :D

[20:13:44]

Kazan:

heh how about an HDTV sample i can play :D

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jammyd:

Kazan: They'll all be the same – it's not a 'bad' sample

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jammyd:

You just need the support in your decoders

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Juski:

laga: FernBedienung == remote control... so fbd == ?? ;-)

[20:38:51]

laga:

Juski: umm. good hint.

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laga:

Juski: i'll search the forums for you.

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laga:

Juski: "

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laga:

Juski: "Zenegafbd ist ein Linux Daemon, der die Kommunikation zwischen dem Intel(PC) Teil und dem Set-Top-Box(Sat) Teil der Zenega uebernimmt.

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laga:

Er sorgt dafuer, dass das Umschalten zwischen PC und Sat funktioniert Setzt die Uhr auf dem Sat Teil und sorgt im algemeinen dafuer, dass die Set top box der Meinung ist, dass es der T-Online Software gut geht, auch wenn dem nicht so ist.

[20:42:15]

laga:

"

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laga:

oops, dammit

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ASTX813:

Is there a script for MythVideo similar to the imdb.pl lookup script, but for tv episodes?

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laga:

Juski: dammit, other people say zenegafbd is responsible for the remote, too. *sigh+

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laga:

Juski: looking at the zenegafbd source now. doesn't seem related to the remote control in any way.

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Hoxzer:

is there anyway to speed up channel change?

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kleptophobiac:

having two tuners helps

[21:09:48]

kleptophobiac:

but beyond that

[21:09:49]

kleptophobiac:

not really

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Hoxzer:

:/ I have heard that vdr changes channel faster

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Juski:

laga: you've got the source? where from?

[21:10:35]

kleptophobiac:

the mpeg2 cards can change channels a little faster than what myth can

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laga:

Juski: wait a sec.

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kleptophobiac:

but without significant source overhaul

[21:10:43]

kleptophobiac:

there's not much you can do

[21:10:46]

kleptophobiac:

as an end user

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laga:

Juski: i'm just gonna upload it for you, i can't stand using the search engine in that forum again. too much BS.

[21:11:42]

Juski:

been there. and I've been translating it. quite a few windows users trying to fdisk a HDD in DOS (for a linux install).. lol

[21:12:23]

kleptophobiac:

lol

[21:13:10]

Juski:

Hoxzer: channel changing with DVB will be much faster in the next release of mythtv ;-)

[21:13:10]

Hoxzer:

How long does it take for u guys to change channel?

[21:13:12]

laga:

Juski: http://serve.mythwiki.de/s100/zenegafbd_0.5.2.tar.gz &nd ash; here we go. gzip/tar may complain about a broken archive, but it seems to extract just fine (maybe there are some missing files, though)

[21:13:28]

Hoxzer:

Juski: Hopefully it will be out soon ;)

[21:14:28]

Juski:

0.20? don't bank on it ;-)

[21:14:31]

kleptophobiac:

Hoxzer – about 5–7 seconds for live tv to come up initially, about 2–3 sec for each channel change

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kleptophobiac:

most of us don't use myth for live tv anyway

[21:14:56]

Juski:

if the channel change pisses you off that much learn to live without livetv, or just don't use mythtv

[21:15:01]

Hoxzer:

Pretty much like mine :/

[21:15:46]

Juski:

laga: that source had nothing to do with the remote, but I saw a thread where they talk about making a new udev rule for 'event' something or other

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laga:

Juski: i think i read that, too. but most of that info is for the zenega, not the s100. i've seen a thread mentioning that zenegafbd is *not* started on zenslack if it finds a file /s100 – which makes the whole thing switch to s100 mode

[21:17:18]

Kazan:

omfg

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Kazan:

what the hell is wrong with this referee

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Juski:

what I want to know is, when STDIN gets non-printing chars, what does it do with them? because I get stuff output when I press the remote keys.. e.g. if you sent STDIN 2 (decimal) what would it print?

[21:18:38]

laga:

Juski: i'm gonna boot DSL to fix my grub (again. dammit.), i'll try it then. give me a few minutes.

[21:18:45]

Juski:

k

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Juski:

ooo I think I know what the keys are... F keys & what you get when from the numpad

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laga:

i think one of the keys sends numlock.

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Juski:

I'm doing cat /dev/stdin on an ssh session & I think I might be able to work it out

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marmoset:

anyone ever have problems with mythbackend cpu going crazy?

[21:25:53]

marmoset:

seems to happen with autotranscode for me

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jammyd:

marmoset: my backend cpu usage is constatnly at around 15–20%, not sure why though

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marmoset:

jammyd: hmm, this is much more than that, the transcode works for a while then some mythbackend thread goes crazy and it uses all the CPU it can get

[21:35:14]

laga:

Juski: what's your color depth with DSL? 4bit here, kinda annoying

[21:39:10]

Juski:

laga: erm... I don't think I got it to work in anything else

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Juski:

building an idea of a keymap now

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laga:

Juski: grub's looking good now. just gotta make gentoo use my usb keyboard :)

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Juski:

laga: good-o

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Juski:

worked out what most of the keys are now

[21:58:00]

Juski:

then I guess I'll have to get up to speed on keymap files

[21:59:27]

Juski:

the mute button doesn't seem to produce a keycode though. I can live without it... could you?

[22:00:13]

laga:

sure

[22:00:13]

Juski:

I mean I could always dig into the serial port & make a serial receiver then learn it, but then I'd lose the power button

[22:00:18]

laga:

just gonna remap something else

[22:00:38]

laga:

maybe the front panel does it in hardware. it seems to be quite smart.

[22:00:46]

Juski:

it does

[22:01:06]

laga:

well, what's the problem then? :)

[22:01:11]

Juski:

yeh – just done a nice long press of the mute button.. no output from stdin

[22:01:32]

Juski:

weird. I bet it works in zenslack

[22:01:42]

laga:

with stdin, do you also see stuff like numlock?

[22:01:49]

Juski:

don't think so

[22:02:03]

Juski:

is there a way to snoop on the raw codes?

[22:02:07]

laga:

heh.

[22:02:13]

laga:

Juski: yes. xev ;)

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[22:10:06]

Juski:

mute == scroll lock

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laga:

heh

[22:10:56]

Juski:

can mythtv be mapped to key events like that, or would it have to be an actual key?

[22:11:54]

Juski:

no wiki page for mythcontrol?!?!?!

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laga:

not sure, i dont have mythcontrols installed.

[22:13:09]

laga:

Juski: it'd be much appreciated if you could pastebin your xorg.conf for gentoo again. :)

[22:13:40]

Juski:

laga: you need a bit more than that for a working tv out

[22:14:29]

laga:

Juski: like what? IEGD?

[22:14:46]

Juski:

IEGD & some other files

[22:14:55]

Juski:

I'm gonna tar em up for ya

[22:15:55]

laga:

Juski: i've got IEGD installed, i think. but the "other files" sound interesting.

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Juski:

dcc

[22:18:05]

Juski:

!dcc

[22:18:07]

Juski:

/dcc

[22:18:09]

Juski:

duh

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laga:

*cough*

[22:18:22]

Juski:

no dcc in GAIM

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laga:

/help dcc

[22:18:35]

laga:

uhm, right-click on my nick maybe?

[22:18:39]

laga:

or put it on mythtvtalk

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Juski:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/laga.tar

[22:21:42]

Juski:

sorry about the paths.. too hot to be able to concentrate properly in here

[22:23:01]

Juski:

any mythcontrols experts in here tonight? I'd like to know if you can map functions to 'scrolllock' & stuff....

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laga:

Juski: thanks.

[22:25:20]

Juski:

the EDID_*.bin files are what the driver loads to configure the port ;-)

[22:25:58]

laga:

aw, c'mon, that's the fun part!

[22:26:19]

Juski:

those will get you running – you'll no doubt need to tweak em

[22:26:28]

laga:

not really wanting to make progress at the moment, i just wanna play around ;)

[22:26:43]

laga:

i don't really have a spare TV – the bedroom one might be needed tomorrow

[22:26:43]

Juski:

this is all but nailed IMHO

[22:26:54]

laga:

heh, of course

[22:26:56]

Juski:

apart from the DRI stuff

[22:27:26]

laga:

hum. i've actually broken my bedroom frontend. good thing i kept a backup.

[22:27:40]

Juski:

I can live without that for the demo, but remind me – what difference will it make? (I'm being dumb today)

[22:27:52]

Juski:

opengl?

[22:28:28]

laga:

yes, DRI gives you hardware 3d acceleration. and i believe that mythfrontend might use DRI for video timing – this is one of the superior methods

[22:28:46]

Juski:

seems to play back my dvb recordings just fine without it

[22:29:09]

laga:

Juski: mind you, always change a running system for better performance.

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** Juski ponders **

[22:30:01]

laga:

time stamp 2006-06–11 01:14:10 is 2664 s in the future

[22:30:06]

laga:

is your clock wrong? ;)

[22:30:12]

Juski:

no idea

[22:30:22]

Juski:

yep

[22:32:13]

Juski:

mere trivia

[22:34:41]

Juski:

all that fannying about & I could've just used showkey

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laga:

hehehe :)

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Juski:

now, if I'm not mistaken, you can fiddle with the kernel to mangle keymaps...

[22:38:10]

laga:

do you really wanna do that? ;)

[22:38:25]

Juski:

why not?

[22:39:20]

laga:

sounds hackish. why not use X's facilities? you likely won't be using the remote with a vt anyways :)

[22:39:29]

scopeuk:

yeh use a random algorythem to re arange the keyboard each boot

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laga:

scopeuk: i bet you do that!

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laga:

;)

[22:39:59]

scopeuk:

laga i had one of those random miser chips implanted ;-)

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Juski:

laga: can X transform keycodes? I suppose it does with the different language thingies

[22:40:32]

laga:

Juski: hum. might make a new keymap or do things with xmodmap – not sure.

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Juski:

oh btw I gotta tell you about the bbq.. it was excellent fun (quite unexpected)

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Juski:

one of the kids has grown a 'fro... after a few drinks I saw him coming out of the gazebo & I yelled "yo,.... 'sup crabman?". fairly broke the ice

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laga:

hehehe. nice ;)

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Juski:

want wan this keycode file when I've finished editing?

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laga:

yep, sounds good!

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laga:

i'm currently busy making the darn keyboard work, then i'll take a look at initng. gotta make the box boot a little bit faster :)

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scopeuk:

heh im gonan get around to setting up a serial terminal on my bo soon ish then adding telnet

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Juski:

sounds like witchcraft

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laga:

i'd kill for a serial terminal right now.

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Juski:

laga: look in my s100 dir. on mythtvtalk ;-)

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laga:

Juski: thanks!

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Juski:

wooo... The keycode command is useful for assigning the same keysym to multiple keycodes.. from xmodmap :-)

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scopeuk:

laga only problem is the other end of it will be a palm m100

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scopeuk:

ossibly the worlds most basic pda

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** Juski used to own a psion 5 **

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scopeuk:

gona use it as a remote and possibly a little with lynx

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scopeuk:

it has 2 megs of flash for applications and 512k for use as ram

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scopeuk:

grey scale screen

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scopeuk:

old scool lol

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scopeuk:

school*

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** Juski is seriously gonna buy an insect-o-cutor soon **

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scopeuk:

lol

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scopeuk:

bbiab

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Juski:

gotta have the window open but it's like 28'C in here still

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laga:

scopeuk: you can do useful things with that palm m100? i've got one, too.

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ASTX813:

Is it normal for myth to store the livetv MPGs in the same folder I have all my downloaded videos in (the MythVideo folder)

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jammyd:

it usually goes in the same directory as the recorded programs, i think?

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Juski:

depends where you tell it to

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ASTX813:

Ah, the "directory to hold recordings" in mythtv-setup.

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Juski:

btw those _downloaded_ videos are all OSS, free from copyright, which'd make it totally okay

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Juski:

because we don't talk about illegal shit in here, k?

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ASTX813:

I wanted to put the live files on a scratch hard drive, since I figure that's going to put a heavy load on the drive

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ASTX813:

Of course.

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Juski:

laga: I need to put some keycode stuff into my rc.local

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Juski:

(as will you)

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laga:

Juski: does it take $bloody_ages to detect the IDE chipset for you?

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scopeuk:

Juski 30 C here with window open

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scopeuk:

laga care to elaborae on the interestign thinkgs with the m100?

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Juski:

laga: not really. you want my kernel config file aswell?

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Juski:

scopeuk: I've got mythfrontend running on mine..

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scopeuk:

m100?

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laga:

Juski: m100, not s100

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Juski:

just sorting out wtf to do with these IR keycodes

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scopeuk:

be kinda pointles in greyscale

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laga:

scopeuk: uh, i was asking *you* ;)

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Juski:

m100

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Juski:

ahhh

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laga:

Juski: the m100 is a handheld

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** Juski is no longer drunk so has no excuse **

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scopeuk:

laga it makes a resonable dumb terminal and ive used to to emulate lcd displays for monitoring temps whilst ive played about with wiring ect

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Juski:

I needs my thinkin' juice

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scopeuk:

a crap one at that

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laga:

Juski: heh, thanks. my kernel config should be good. i think i'll load the IDE chipset as a module after the system is booted up

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laga:

scopeuk: awesome. looks like something i could put in my car if i ever get to build a carputer.

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scopeuk:

yeh could if you could find a programer/program a little app yourself make a fairly good remote

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scopeuk:

im thinking mines gonna be hooked up to the serial port usign a v100 emulator

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scopeuk:

wow ther eonly $12:50 now

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Juski:

can they play mp3s?

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scopeuk:

jusaki it cant even handle wav lol

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scopeuk:

midi is the limit

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scopeuk:

whouldent fit an mp3 in the memory thinking about it

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scopeuk:

the m120 will do mp3s and it has an sd slot

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Juski:

using only graffiti, login to the console and type tar xvjpf mythtv-0.19-fixes.tar.bz2 :-P

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scopeuk:

i was thinking more liek the onscreen keyboard

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scopeuk:

grefity is evil

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Juski:

just messin

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scopeuk:

but "tab is your friend"

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Juski:

not for much longer. I wanna give up ;-)

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Juski:

he said, as he lights yet another. hacking gives you cancer!

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laga:

right, time to go out..

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Juski:

at this time of night?

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marmoset:

just reverted to 0.19 (instead of -fixes) and mythbackend still freaks out, ugh

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** Juski is not laga's mother, btw ;-) **

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laga:

Juski: for a smoke ;)

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Juski:

you should see my keyboard.. it's just a scandal

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marmoset:

I can't figure out what thread is the one going nuts, threaded stuff is so hard to debug ;)

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Juski:

bastard... I missed another s100 box on ebay

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scopeuk:

Juski how much these things setting you back?

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Juski:

last one finished at 35 Euro

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Juski:

I missed it

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scopeuk:

mot too bad

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laga:

they're getting more expensive, i think

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scopeuk:

id invest in one but alas i dont have the skills nor time (for the next 2 weeks) t hack one

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Juski:

laga: might need you to help with netbooting at some point

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laga:

Juski: no problem. quite easy once you get the pieces together ;)

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Juski:

I've done it before but....

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Juski:

was a very long time ago ;)

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laga:

heh

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scopeuk:

ive never had much luck wiht netbooting

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scopeuk:

even with the few scraps of hardware i have that suposedly suport it

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scopeuk:

i give up to easy i think is my problem

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Juski:

I almost did recently. damn glad I didn't

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laga:

heh

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scopeuk:

yeh sometiems i can bebothered other times i have the atttention span of a gold fish

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scopeuk:

lack ofa godo project i think

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laga:

heh

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scopeuk:

my myth box will never work peoroperly bassed on the fac that its using a crpa tv card i dont currently have the funds to replace

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scopeuk:

that and it has a crap arial connection

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laga:

pvr 150 is cheap these days.

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scopeuk:

not cheep enough im afraid

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scopeuk:

id also lie kto go digital if i bothered upgradign atall make it so my myth box is acctually woth using

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scopeuk:

rarther than jsut a mild distraction

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laga:

heh

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scopeuk:

atm the channels arnt tunned becouse that involes lots of screwing round with antenas and then playing with xawtv for weeks

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scopeuk:

then putting in the settings

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laga:

mythfilldatabase --manual goodness, i suppose?

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scopeuk:

then i have no antena conenction for it any more becouse my borther has taken up watching hsi tv again

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scopeuk:

no i finaly got the damn thing working on a n auto grabber

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scopeuk:

god knows it took enough effort

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scottder:

one of these days I need to sit down and figure out why my frontend crashes when I start MythMusic every so often

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scopeuk:

one of these days i need to sit down and earn some money then i needto go out an buy a antena distribution amp and fit it in the loft then ai can get a decent connection to my myth box at this point in time i can invest ina new myth box with freeview adn tv out

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laga:

money is nice

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scopeuk:

yeh it is

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scopeuk:

earnng it will be a bitch for me i boare fairly easily and im nto fond of lots of contact with epopel i dont know

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laga:

heh. but it gets you money ;)

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scopeuk:

yeh i could stand it if i acctualy dont hate the job itself

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scopeuk:

what it boils down to is when my exams are over i eitehr a). geta job or b). take over all housework from my dad

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scopeuk:

a is more benificial for me

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Juski:

you should work with some of the ignorant buggers I have to... the other day I turned the ringer volume up on my desk phone so I could hear it in the lab... got back to my desk & saw the red light flashing on my phone – incoming call. I asked who'd turned the ringer off... guy who sits opposite me said he'd turned it off. "did you not even think to answer the fscking thing?!" I asked... he just looked at me really weird

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scopeuk:

heh i live with people liek that

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scopeuk:

eg my brother walked in and stole the fan out of my room

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scopeuk:

its 30C in here ffs

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Juski:

that's what brothers are for, iirc

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scopeuk:

his excuse "the heating pipes run under my floor" the bloody thing has been off for a month

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scopeuk:

i rearly have nothign going for me atm

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Juski:

if you're scratching around for an excuse to get a job you have to put up with, move out. It works wonders to have independence. makes it all worthwhile

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scopeuk:

im moving out in september anyway off to uni and al lthat

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laga:

Juski: did you play around with pcf2iegd?

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Juski:

laga: yep

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laga:

Juski: where'd you find a sample .pcf file?

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Juski:

pcf2eigd -bin blah.pcf

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Juski:

laga: look in the usual place again ;-)

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laga:

Juski: thanks :)

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laga:

Juski: weird paths o_O

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Juski:

not my paths I might add ;-)

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laga:

heh

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Juski:

oh lordy. the locals are bawling "vindaloo"

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Juski:

so we 'won' today with an own goal.... england == world class... (not)

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scopeuk:

lol

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scopeuk:

i watched it it was soethign to do that dident involve siting in a computer chair

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scopeuk:

wasa crap match any way lol

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Juski:

I didn't see it. was burning food over hot coals :-P

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blitzace123:

the first half was alright

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scopeuk:

bbqs are good

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blitzace123:

second half blew

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scopeuk:

first 1/2 was moderate the second was awful

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blitzace123:

oh well we cant play like that against good teams

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blitzace123:

they better shape up

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scopeuk:

heh its prety much voer already imho but that we go im a pesimist so shoot me

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