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Sunday, June 4th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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grndslm:

holy chit...the reboot worked

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grndslm:

separate frontend and backend happiness

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J-e-f-f-A:

bilbravo: Are the file sizes consistent? What file system are you using for your recordings?

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bilbravo:

ext3

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bilbravo:

i just changed my recording quality, so i can't tell you about file size consistency

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bilbravo:

this file is 1.2gb though.. .seems large for 37 minutes

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J-e-f-f-A:

bilbravo: File sizes depend on the compression settings. I've got mine set low enough to only take ~1.6GB/hr, but still have very, very good quality. (using 400x480 for Standard-definition TV)

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bilbravo:

oh i set mine to 720x480 heh

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bilbravo:

i should make one for things i want to store as DVDs, and another for things i will probably delete

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bilbravo:

400x480 huh? what other settings?

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J-e-f-f-A:

bilbravo: What's your source? If it's an analog tuner, then 720x480 is excessive... I started at 544x480, which is the native Dish Network resolution, and stepped down until I noticed the compression, then went back up.

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J-e-f-f-A:

bilbravo: I'll take a peek at my settings for bitrate, etc... one sec...

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dev:

720 just makes it a little easier to burn to dvd

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bilbravo:

analog tuner, yes

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bilbravo:

dev: yeah, i'll make a DVD settings and a SDTV setting for things i likely won't put on a DVD

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J-e-f-f-A:

dev: Yep. But I thought I had heard that 'mythburn

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J-e-f-f-A:

'... was more lenient about that now (haven't had time to look into it now...)

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J-e-f-f-A:

[er... I mean 'yet'...]

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dev:

im not sure. before you had to convert to 720 to burn correctly and have it look right

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gardengnome:

mytharchive will automagically resize your recordings if they aren't DVD compliant. which takes quite long, imho :/

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dev:

maybe thats changed? dunno! hehe.. i dont have any problems taking mpeg2 with 720 and burning directly to dvd with no conversion or anything. except transcoding out the commercials of course

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bilbravo:

dev: what do you use to burn?

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dev:

growisofs

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J-e-f-f-A:

gardengnome: Ok, that's it... mytharchive. I knew I had heard it somewhere. Any way to tell it to not re-encode?

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bilbravo:

J-e-f-f-A: you do 400x480, or 480x480?

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gardengnome:

J-e-f-f-A: i believe there's a list of supported resolutions somewhere in the script, just add your resolution there and you should be fine

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J-e-f-f-A:

bilbravo: Yeah, for now. It lets me get alot more programs on the system, and looks really good imho. Although the biggest picture I'm running right now is a 37" monitor.

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grndslm:

is there a way i could automatically get mythbackend to run in a terminal at startup....so i could see all program info??

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J-e-f-f-A:

bilbravo: I'm currently using (for Low Quality) – 400x480 Bitrate 3600 Max Bitrate 4800 — Audio Sampling 32000, Layer II, 128kbps

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grndslm:

i had the system booting up to init 5, but now i want init 3 with mythbackend automatically running in a virtual terminal....is it possible?

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gardengnome:

mytharchive.. my analog recordings are 720x576, but i should denoise them before putting them on a DVD. my DVB recordings don't need denoising, but they do need resizing. and each process takes some time. and mytharchive can't do noise removal natively yet :/

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bilbravo:

J-e-f-f-A: thanks

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bilbravo:

how can i add different transcoders?

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scottder:

Is there a list somewhere of the formats that MythMusic supports and is there a way to add more codecs?

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Darthy:

is telnet enabled on minimyth 0.19 ?

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gardengnome:

Darthy: why would you want to use telnet?

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Darthy:

better would be ssh

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Darthy:

but i read that ssh wouldnt be supported.. or is it right now in 0.19 ?

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gardengnome:

are you talking about the telnet interface to mythtv? or remote shell access?

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Netslayer:

i'm really confused, why is there the correct configure in 19 fixes branch for libdvdnav, while there isn't one in the trunk so it fails to compile?

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Netslayer:

http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0- . . . tv/configure vs http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv/configure

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Netslayer:

the one in 19 fixes has libdvd nav linking, the other does not... so it won't compile with it

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Darthy:

gardengnome> didnt i say something about telnet?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Darthy: He was asking if you meant the telnet shell access or MythTV control via it's telnet interface...

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Darthy:

shell access.. i never heard about 2nd one.. sorry

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J-e-f-f-A:

Darthy: np. I don't know if minimyth has either, but I'd check the docs to be sure. (I don't have an epia board to try it on...)

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bilbravo:

any idea why mythtv-setup/xmltv isnt' getting the channel names?

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J-e-f-f-A:

bilbravo: It gets the listings, but not the names?

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bilbravo:

yes

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bilbravo:

and when i go to the website to set up my lineup, it shows the names

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bilbravo:

it had the names before, but now it isn't showing them

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J-e-f-f-A:

bilbravo: No — that's a new one for me...

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bilbravo:

awesome lol

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psofa:

gn all

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Darthy:

J-e-f-f-A > the problem is, there are no docs for minimyth.. just a small readme and the comments in one config file.. :/ *sigh its hard to special stuff with it

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gardengnome:

Darthy: if you're unable to find out more tonight, you might want to talk to juski. he's a minimyth user.

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FinnTux:

heya

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FinnTux:

is there any way to get mythtv to decode matrix-encoded audio?

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FinnTux:

I'm watching DVB broadcasts and would like to use my amplifier's 5.1 input (analog)

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FinnTux:

doinf that I lose dolby pro logic encoded surround sound

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FinnTux:

doing*

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FinnTux:

DVB here is not 5.1 (afaik)

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bilbravo:

ok i have 3 files in my media that were things i was watching live

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bilbravo:

when does mythtv clean those up?

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GreyFoxx:

after 24 hours

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GreyFoxx:

Or as soon as it needs space for a recording

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bilbravo:

ok

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bilbravo:

i probably shouldn't go in there and delete it myself then, eh?

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GreyFoxx:

Well, if you do it in the interface it's fine

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FinnTux:

bilbravo, there is a setting for that

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FinnTux:

look under TV settings

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bilbravo:

how can i delete it from the interface? it doesn't show up in recordings

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GreyFoxx:

bilbravo: Change the playgroup to LiveTV

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GreyFoxx:

Or just leave it alone

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FinnTux:

sorry, can't give you whole path because I'm using finnish menus

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GreyFoxx:

and it will be auto delted :)

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bilbravo:

playgroup for livetv?

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gardengnome:

GreyFoxx: heya. received my s100 today :) (in case you don't know yet ;))

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GreyFoxx:

bilbravo: The playgroup that is displayed in the Watch Recordings menu

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GreyFoxx:

you can have different "groups" of shows other than the default

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GreyFoxx:

gardengnome: Cool stuff

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bilbravo:

GreyFoxx: idon't see a watch recordings menu

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gardengnome:

GreyFoxx: yep. i can't really fiddle with it yet because i still need some cables. but it looks really nifty. remote seems way better for PVR use than the stuff hauppauge is shipping. and you can turn it on via the remote, i really love that feature. if 128mb ram proves to be enough, i could see myself ordering more.

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bilbravo:

Media Library?

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GreyFoxx:

bilbravo: I use the classic menus, so I don't know what the default menus call it :)

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GreyFoxx:

gardengnome: 128 of ram is more than enough

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bilbravo:

oh

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bilbravo:

i mean in livetv, that it uses to like buffer stuff

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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bilbravo:

whenever i go to a tv show, i can see the back-end (i ran it from terminal) saying "recording <showname>"

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gardengnome:

GreyFoxx: i hope so. i've even recompiled my gentoo with -Os ;)

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GreyFoxx:

bilbravo: The menu you go to to watch a recording, can be used to display the "LiveTV" recordings still on diskincase you want to go back and save one or watch one again

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gardengnome:

GreyFoxx: how do you save one of those livetv recordings?

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GreyFoxx:

start playing and hit record

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bilbravo:

all i see are "All Programs" and that shows the one show i have, and there is a RIP icon and a $ with a "no smoking sign" type thing over it

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bilbravo:

at the bottom

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GreyFoxx:

I'm sure you can use the menus to do it too

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bilbravo:

what are those?

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gardengnome:

GreyFoxx: ah, nifty. thanks.

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GreyFoxx:

bill: That's because LiveTV is not a member of the displayed playgroup by default

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xris:

the $ means "commercials flagged"

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bilbravo:

oh maybe

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bilbravo:

GreyFoxx: but you're saying, these things that were from livetv will be gone this time tomorrow?

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GreyFoxx:

Most people don't wanna see the livetv stuff in there, so you have to intentionally change to display it

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GreyFoxx:

bilbravo: Correct

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bilbravo:

awesome, i'll just let it go at that and live in ignorance :-D

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xris:

bilbravo: you can see the livetv recordings in mythweb

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** achew22 is back from Frizby **

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bilbravo:

i don't have mythweb installed

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achew22:

Hello!

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xris:

bilbravo: that's not my problem. ;)

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J-e-f-f-A:

bilbravo: what's wrong with you?!? I LOVE MythWeb! ;-)

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bilbravo:

xris: it will be if i start asking how to install it? lol

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** xris likes having groupies. **

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achew22:

maybe he doestn't have internet...

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bilbravo:

J-e-f-f-A: i just got MythTV set up yesterday

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achew22:

ohh wait...

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xris:

bilbravo: well, you install apache, find the web root, and untar mythweb. that's pretty much it.

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xris:

often easier if you use a package, but I hate packages for web stuff

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bilbravo:

i can do that

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achew22:

billbravo I have a even faster way

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achew22:

apt-get it

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bilbravo:

-bash: apg-get: command not found

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** bilbravo uses Gentoo :-) **

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris, bilbravo: on fc4, I just did a "yum install mythtv-suite"... ;-) Then a little setup...

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achew22:

ohh

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** gardengnome throws roses and bras at xris **

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xris:

lol

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gardengnome:

myyyyyyyyyyyythwwwwwwwweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeb!

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gardengnome:

scnr :)

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achew22:

bilbravo "emerge apache2"

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xris:

gardengnome: sexy bras? my wife might like them.

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J-e-f-f-A:

gardengnome, xris: I second that! ;-)

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bilbravo:

i already have apache installed

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gardengnome:

xris: so you should like them, too.

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xris:

J-e-f-f-A: you're going to have to give some kudos to drnick when he finishes his summer of code project.

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bilbravo:

i just need the mythweb tar

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** achew22 throws pcb boards cut out into sexy shapes at xris **

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xris:

lol

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: mythstreamtv?

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xris:

no, rework of mythweb's ui

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xris:

ajax, etc.

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xris:

afk, I smell the stove being hot, which means I get to eat soon.

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achew22:

J-e-f-f-A if you want to write it it will be there

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achew22:

how do you smell heat?

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: kewl. I've got to get into that stuff...

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achew22:

bilbravo you got apache2 yet?

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bilbravo:

yeah

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: I just picked up CSS — pretty simple when you actually spend 5 minutes looking into it!

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achew22:

okay — change to /var/www

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gardengnome:

J-e-f-f-A: you should have applied for that summer of code project then :)

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achew22:

bilbravo: do you have svn?

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gardengnome:

ah, screw you guys, i'm going to bed ;)) almost 4am for me

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achew22:

bye gardengnome

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achew22:

bilbravo: you there yet?

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achew22:

bilbravo got eaten by gentoo

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J-e-f-f-A:

hehe

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Goose-BA:

i think i'll just started my mythtv instlall over, i get prebuffer errors when i try to watch Live TV any ideas?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Goose-BA – Make sure DMA is turned on on your HD.

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achew22:

Goose-BA: I haven't gotten live tv working on Myth yet and I've been doing this for 6 months

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bilbravo:

i'm here

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bilbravo:

i'm setting mythweb up

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J-e-f-f-A:

achew22: eh? That's the first thing I got working to test my tuners & channel changing scripts for my IR blasters...

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Goose-BA:

J-e-f-f-A: yes it is

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achew22:

J-e-f-f-A I just did cat /dev/videoX > ~/test.mpg

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J-e-f-f-A:

Goose-BA: What video card and processor do you have?

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J-e-f-f-A:

achew22: Yeah, but that doesn't test the channel change scripts... But then again, I have tested them from the shell... (But testing them within Myth confirms the recordings will work too...)

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achew22:

J-e-f-f-A I did a tutorial for ubuntu

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J-e-f-f-A:

achew22: That's cool. What's the issue with your livetv though?

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achew22:

Its way broken now that I tried to do it in dapper

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achew22:

I'm thinking about going to gentoo again

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achew22:

it was fun in gentoo

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J-e-f-f-A:

The only problem I have with LiveTV now is that I added an HD3000 tuner, and since LiveTV defaults to the highest video card on startup, it always defaults to HD. So LiveTV is now broken on my non-hd capable X-Box frontend.

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J-e-f-f-A:

[works fine on my hd-capable frontends, but not on the X-Box]

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achew22:

J-e-f-f-A: I've not gotten my HD card working yet

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J-e-f-f-A:

achew22: It's really, really nice. The only problem is after watching "24" in HD (or any other show for that matter), then going back to 'standard' tv is 'painful'... ;-)

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bilbravo:

ah, apache isn't set up to use php right now

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bilbravo:

i'm not doing this tonight heh

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achew22:

wait

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achew22:

no

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achew22:

bilbravo: its easy too

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achew22:

emerge php

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bilbravo:

i have dev-php installed

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bilbravo:

it's blocked dev-lang/php

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bilbravo:

plus i dont' want to scour through apache config files to set up the php modules

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achew22:

emerge -r dev-php

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achew22:

cd to /etc/apache2

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achew22:

cd mods-available

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bilbravo:

emerge -r isn't a valid switch

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achew22:

ln -s ./php* ../mods-enabled/

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bilbravo:

i believe you want -C

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achew22:

isn't -r remove?

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bilbravo:

no

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bilbravo:

-C is

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achew22:

I havent been in gentoo for a couple of months so sue me if I don't remember all the switches

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bilbravo:

how much money do you have?

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bilbravo:

but seriously, -r makes sense, -C doesn't

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achew22:

bilbravo I'm a senior in highschool... not much

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achew22:

I have ~$7 to my name

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bilbravo:

hehe

[01:54:17]

bilbravo:

well i won't sue you then

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achew22:

you got that done yet?

[01:55:28]

J-e-f-f-A:

achew22: A Senior in high scool... Oh to be there again... I'm going to my 20 year reunion in October! ;-)

[01:55:37]

bilbravo:

i don't have mods-available

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achew22:

ls /etc/apache2

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achew22:

what do you have in the mods-* department

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bilbravo:

http://pastebin.com/756888

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Kelerion:

looks more like a hosted server to me

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achew22:

ls /etc/apache2/modules.d

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** Kelerion has never used gentoo though **

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bilbravo:

achew22: i already looked there, just some ssl

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achew22:

Kelerion gentoo is fun — its a good project, you'll learn a lot

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achew22:

strange

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bilbravo:

i need to install dev-lang/php

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achew22:

very strange

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achew22:

try it

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bilbravo:

which is why i said i'm not doing this tonight, it will take a while

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achew22:

tell it to do it overnight

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bilbravo:

i plan on it

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achew22:

how long have you been on gentoo?

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bilbravo:

but that means i'm not doing this tonight hehe

[01:59:08]

bilbravo:

seriously, 1 year

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bilbravo:

but i've fiddled with it for 3 or so

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** Kelerion will stick with his ubuntu thanks.. lol.. **

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bilbravo:

only had it on my system and used it occassionally, but my system wasn't very compatible so i didn't have sound or anything... old HP Pavilion

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bilbravo:

i'm wondering whats' going to break now that i'm removing the dev-php packages hehe

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J-e-f-f-A:

Goose-BA: What video card and processor does your system have? Is this a combined FE/BE?

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achew22:

bilbravo you mean to tell me that you can't compile 20mb of code in 5 min!?!

[02:01:23]

bilbravo:

unfortunately, that's what i'm telling you

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** Kelerion remembers my first dist.. on a pentium 60.. and compiling kernels.. was a "well thats started.. off home! see ya tomorrow" type process.. **

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bilbravo:

Kelerion: that's how i feel about installing kde :-)

[02:05:41]

bilbravo:

kernel takes about 5 minutes

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Kelerion:

never compiled kde... that huge huh?

[02:06:24]

bilbravo:

yeah

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bilbravo:

12 hours on my system

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Kelerion:

ouch

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bilbravo:

so while i look forward to kde 4, i also dread it

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achew22:

bilbravo: KDE took me 14

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Kelerion:

achew22 is full of good news :)

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achew22:

I ended up stoping it half way though stealing my computers from my moms house, droping ubuntu on them and distcc ing them

[02:08:20]

bilbravo:

yeah distcc was cool when i lived in a dorm

[02:08:26]

bilbravo:

but i only have 1 system here, so doesn't help me much

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achew22:

wow that would be sweet!

[02:08:40]

bilbravo:

but that was when i was with the old pc, so i didn't do much in gentoo anyhow

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Kelerion:

ubuntu with kde??? sacrilidge!

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achew22:

kubuntu?

[02:09:51]

bilbravo:

i'm instereted in trying out xubuntu

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bilbravo:

phone, brb

[02:10:02]

Kelerion:

that ain't ubuntu :P

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Kelerion:

I like the *idea* of xubuntu.. but I just love my gnome too much.. sorry

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Netslayer:

am I correct to assume that the "trunk" is buildable and contains the lastest .20 code?

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Netslayer:

latest

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xris:

achew22: didn't say I smelled heat. I smelled the stove getting hot. it smells like burning whatever got spilled on it last.

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PCjabber:

yes

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achew22:

xris: ohh

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PCjabber:

sry, that "yes" was to Netslayer

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Netslayer:

so why is the config file out of date in regards to the one in 19 fixes branch (no mention of dvdnav in trunk configure .. it fails to compile)

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Netslayer:

http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0- . . . tv/configure vs http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv/configure

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PCjabber:

Netslayer, usually it is. It's not guaranteed to always work — it's bleeding-edge, so patches may cause it to break.

[02:15:08]

PCjabber:

Netslayer, what exactly are you talking about? How is it failing to compile?

[02:15:21]

Netslayer:

PCjabber, i understand that but this file hasn't been updated generally in a while... why is it that i'm getting libdvdnav compile issues and nobody else is?

[02:15:35]

Dagmar:

God hates you, apparently.

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Netslayer:

../../libs/libmythtv/libmythtv-0.19.so: undefined reference to `dvdnav_get_serial_number'

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Netslayer:

i have libdvdnav installed, it is the configure file that is causing this.

[02:16:36]

Netslayer:

you can even read about this same issue when i tried before http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1/2006-05-19

[02:17:19]

** Kelerion blames Bierdo **

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PCjabber:

Netslayer, I'm guessing you have an SVN copy on your box?

[02:17:29]

** Kelerion blames Beirdo **

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achew22:

Kelerion: don't speek ill of the dead

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PCjabber:

erm, a copy from SVN on your box...

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Netslayer:

heh, i'm just confused because i'm sure this would be causing issues for other people..

[02:17:51]

Kelerion:

huh?

[02:17:55]

achew22:

Kelerion: he got married

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Netslayer:

PCjabber, just did "svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv" about an hr ago

[02:18:15]

PCjabber:

I found one reference in ticket #1775, which was closed by Isaac as a dupe. I'm looking for the ticket it duped

[02:18:23]

xris:

Kelerion: and left us, never to return.

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Kelerion:

never?

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PCjabber:

OK, Netslayer, go to the directory you did that svn command from

[02:18:46]

Netslayer:

PCjabber, "./configure --enable-dvb --enable-proc-opt make" .. died

[02:18:50]

xris:

Kelerion: just kidding. just seems like it.

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Netslayer:

k

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achew22:

xris: are we in week 5 or 6?

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** Kelerion thwaps xris with something sloppy **

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xris:

achew22: no clue.

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achew22:

something sloppy = my sexy shaped pcb boards

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PCjabber:

then, Netslayer, go inside the mythtv directory (I assume you're trying to make mythtv and not the mythplugins, am I correct?)

[02:19:43]

PCjabber:

and type svn info

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Netslayer:

PCjabber, correct

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Netslayer:

10112

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Netslayer:

actually Revision: 10113

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PCjabber:

Netslayer, give me the "revision: xxxxx" line and the "last changed rev: xxxx" line

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Netslayer:

Last Changed Rev: 10112

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PCjabber:

ok, looks good there. I had an issue earlier that a few files didn't get updated for some reason, but my "last changed" and "revision" lines were _way_ off of one another

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PCjabber:

so that's not the problem here.

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PCjabber:

let me look at the previous IRC session and see if I can gather anything from there, Netslayer...

[02:22:41]

Kelerion:

this might sound dumb... but have you done a "make clean" and re-tryed it?

[02:22:49]

xris:

or make distclean

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xris:

and wipe ~/.ccache

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Kelerion:

oh good.. didn't sound so dumb then... lol

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Netslayer:

Kelerion, i made a new dir for this check out

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Kelerion:

ahh.. ok

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PCjabber:

what distro?

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Netslayer:

gentoo

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Netslayer:

Compiler cache no from configure ... so don't have to worry about ~/.ccache?

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Netslayer:

bah don't even have that dir

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PCjabber:

could you pastebin the entire output of make?

[02:26:18]

Netslayer:

the build output?

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PCjabber:

yes

[02:27:42]

Netslayer:

http://pastebin.com/756916

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xris:

Netslayer: ccache doesn't really work that way

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Netslayer:

although that's when i run it now.. all the previous output is lost in my terminal

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achew22:

what distro?

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achew22:

nevermind

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PCjabber:

still reading (mailing list archives, trac, etc...)

[02:30:36]

Netslayer:

i've searched on the list, couldn't find any mention of this issue..

[02:32:22]

PCjabber:

m'kay...i've found something that _might_ help

[02:32:23]

PCjabber:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . dnav;#188387

[02:32:45]

PCjabber:

specifically, post #4

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achew22:

Netslayer, if you manualy call that with the -l switch it may fix it

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Netslayer:

interesting

[02:34:31]

achew22:

what?

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Netslayer:

call what with -l?

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PCjabber:

manually call what with the -l switch?

[02:34:38]

Netslayer:

the post is interesting

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achew22:

look at the first post

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achew22:

they say there is a problem with linking

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achew22:

they sugest the solution is that its missing a -l switch

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achew22:

so manualy compile that one and see if you can get more detail, or make it compile right

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PCjabber:

Well, Isaac said in #1622 on Trac that: "...libmythdvdnav is a static library linked directly to libmythtv. Absolutely no reason to link it again."

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Netslayer:

how do I add -L to that, in the makefile?

[02:35:44]

Netslayer:

heh

[02:35:47]

achew22:

no

[02:35:59]

achew22:

++ -o mythtv main.o -L/usr/qt/3/lib64 -L../../libs/libmyth -L../../libs/libmythtv -L../../libs/libavutil -L../../libs/libavcodec -L../../libs/libavformat -L../../libs/libmythfreemheg -L../../libs/libmythui -lmythtv-0.19 -lmythavformat-0.19 -lmythavutil-0.19 -lmythavcodec-0.19 -lmythfreemheg-0.19 -lmyth-0.19 -lmythui-0.19 -lfreetype -lmp3lame -lasound -lraw1394 -liec61883 -lavc1394 -L/usr/X11R6/lib64 -lXinerama -lXv -lXxf86vm -lX

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PCjabber:

but im probably confused and we're talking about different libs

[02:36:02]

achew22:

oops

[02:36:14]

achew22:

are you x86?

[02:36:17]

Netslayer:

nope

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Netslayer:

64

[02:36:22]

achew22:

I missed the G in G++

[02:36:27]

achew22:

but lower case

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achew22:

try that

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achew22:

you may have to change into a different folder

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achew22:

my guess would be /root/mythtv-build/mythtv/programs

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PCjabber:

you'll need to be in /root/mythtv-build/mythtv/programs/mythtv

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PCjabber:

from your pastebin

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PCjabber:

achew22, wouldn't it need to be in /root/mythtv-build/mythtv/programs/mythtv ?

[02:38:02]

PCjabber:

if you look at the pastebin, that's where the g++ ran that failed...

[02:38:05]

achew22:

it says "leaving directory /root/mythtv-build/mythtv/programs/mythtv"

[02:38:18]

achew22:

there is an extra switch in there

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achew22:

you would need to play with you -l switches

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Netslayer:

yes that's where it needs to be

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PCjabber:

line 185: "#

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PCjabber:

make[2]: Entering directory `/root/mythtv-build/mythtv/programs/mythtv'"

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achew22:

ohh

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achew22:

thought it said leaving

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Netslayer:

with your output i get collect2: ld returned 1 exit status

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PCjabber:

whoops, didn't mean for that to break across 2 lines

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PCjabber:

anything before that, Netslayer?

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Netslayer:

nope

[02:39:21]

PCjabber:

achew22, we're all human ;-)

[02:39:34]

achew22:

who wined?

[02:39:43]

achew22:

I didn't say a thing — I've done that a thousand times

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achew22:

sometimes worse

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Netslayer:

i think it's the last part though " -lXinerama -lXv -lXxf86vm -l"

[02:39:57]

Netslayer:

I need -l....

[02:40:01]

achew22:

yeah

[02:40:15]

achew22:

thats me — I was going to add your lib on there but it I couldn't find the name on hand

[02:40:19]

PCjabber:

wait, shouldn't that last -l have something added to it?

[02:40:41]

PCjabber:

like -ldvdnav

[02:40:49]

PCjabber:

or -lmythdvdnav

[02:41:12]

achew22:

yeah — I don't see the specific name off hand but try those

[02:42:08]

PCjabber:

i think it's -lmythdvdnav-0.19

[02:42:15]

achew22:

try em' all

[02:42:20]

PCjabber:

from the attachment to the Gossamer link posted above

[02:42:44]

PCjabber:

interestingly, it _seems_ (I can't confirm) that this only affects 64-bit platforms.

[02:42:48]

PCjabber:

Not sure why...

[02:43:12]

Netslayer:

none of those work.. i think i may try this patch

[02:43:24]

PCjabber:

the one from Gossamer?

[02:43:31]

achew22:

okay — if you have ideas then the penut gallery is not necessary

[02:43:49]

PCjabber:

tell us how it goes, Netslayer...

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Netslayer:

heh the patch just does what we are trying todo

[02:44:19]

achew22:

where is the patch?

[02:44:20]

Netslayer:

+LIBS += -lmythdvdnav-$$LIBVERSION +LIBS += -L../../libs/libmythdvdnav

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achew22:

ohh

[02:44:25]

achew22:

nevermind

[02:45:33]

Netslayer:

hah ! works

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PCjabber:

=p

[02:45:41]

achew22:

exelent

[02:45:41]

Netslayer:

added those two to it

[02:45:48]

achew22:

the penut galery prevails again

[02:46:06]

Netslayer:

.. so does that need fixing in svn?

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PCjabber:

i had the same thing happen with mfd earlier — SVN didn't work (though it was supposedly fixed...), but added one line of LIBS and it worked fine

[02:46:37]

PCjabber:

Netslayer, not sure if it needs fixing or not...I had no problem compiling an hour or two ago

[02:46:40]

PCjabber:

same revision

[02:46:45]

PCjabber:

but im on x86

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Netslayer:

you know how many times i tried to build this? heh

[02:47:06]

PCjabber:

sometimes you just need an outside eye or three ;-)

[02:47:14]

Netslayer:

my other 64 box compiled fine a few weeks ago.. i dunno

[02:47:17]

achew22:

I'm blind....

[02:48:00]

achew22:

you only had 4 eyes on it

[02:48:34]

PCjabber:

if you're serious, achew22, sry, didn't mean to offend...

[02:48:47]

achew22:

:D i'm not

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PCjabber:

=p

[02:49:01]

PCjabber:

Anyone up for another problem?

[02:49:04]

achew22:

I relaly dislike political correctness

[02:49:10]

PCjabber:

Because I've got a strange one....

[02:49:16]

PCjabber:

achew22, me too, for the most part...

[02:49:18]

achew22:

ooh I like these

[02:49:31]

achew22:

there are limits on my anti-political correctness

[02:49:54]

PCjabber:

OK, so i've got rev 10113, and i just compiled a few hours ago, at most

[02:50:24]

PCjabber:

Switched my mythdvd player over to "internal" to play with the internal DVD playback capabilities (which seem to be pretty nice, btw)

[02:50:50]

PCjabber:

popped in a 24: season 1 DVD (not that it matters _what_ I popped in...), and started watching.

[02:51:10]

PCjabber:

Everything seemed fine. After a few episodes, audio began to sound a little...odd.

[02:51:58]

PCjabber:

Thought it might have been my ears, so I just shrugged it off and switched to a recorded program (Family Guy)

[02:52:19]

PCjabber:

the voices again, sounded strange. Everything sounded like it was much higher-pitched than normal.

[02:52:38]

MonMotha:

sample rate mismatch?

[02:52:40]

MonMotha:

44.1/48k?

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achew22:

thats my bet

[02:52:52]

PCjabber:

To confirm this, I played a segment of the 24 DVD in my set-top DVD player, then in Myth. They indeed sounded different...

[02:53:10]

PCjabber:

OK, but why did it _just_ start happening?

[02:53:23]

achew22:

so were they screwed up in set top DVD player? or not

[02:53:31]

MonMotha:

do you have another app that is maybe locking the sound card to a specific sample rate?

[02:53:42]

PCjabber:

I can't confirm it wasn't doing it to DVDs before, because I haven't played a DVD in my Mythbox in months

[02:53:55]

PCjabber:

no, the set top played them fine (sorry, that wasn't clear)

[02:53:55]

achew22:

is it still doing it?

[02:54:18]

PCjabber:

yes, it's still doing it.

[02:54:39]

achew22:

is RDC encrypted?

[02:54:53]

PCjabber:

hmm?

[02:55:03]

PCjabber:

(sorry, not familiar with the acronym...)

[02:55:17]

achew22:

remote desktop connection (microsofts vnc)

[02:55:53]

PCjabber:

??

[02:55:57]

PCjabber:

I'm not running RDC

[02:56:03]

Goose-BA:

any idea why i get prebuffer errors?

[02:56:05]

PCjabber:

or VNC or anything remote, except SSH

[02:56:27]

achew22:

I'm going to assume its encrypted

[02:56:45]

PCjabber:

you're going to assume _what_ is encrypted?

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achew22:

RDC

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scottder:

Never safe to assume encryption..

[02:57:20]

achew22:

I'm moving sensitive CIA documents — what could go wrong?

[02:57:45]

scottder:

heh

[02:57:58]

scottder:

i use vnc over ssh tunnels :)

[02:58:02]

achew22:

I'm actualy moving my blog database (I guess its sensitive?) and I it is mostly curiosity

[02:59:17]

PCjabber:

m'kay...so, anyway, any suggestions for me?

[02:59:19]

Netslayer:

what happened to mythtv/setup folder?

[02:59:22]

PCjabber:

or further input needed?

[02:59:51]

PCjabber:

Netslayer, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/10040

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Netslayer:

thanks

[03:00:28]

PCjabber:

np =)

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achew22:

there was an add in the paper for CIA agent! I think I should apply

[03:00:42]

PCjabber:

achew, any suggestions?

[03:00:53]

achew22:

on?

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achew22:

ohh prebuffer

[03:01:10]

PCjabber:

no, the audio issue...

[03:01:17]

PCjabber:

the sped-up audio

[03:01:34]

PCjabber:

or high-pitched audio

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achew22:

I like hte idea of it being locked by another program to a different thingy

[03:01:46]

achew22:

that would account for it being high pitched

[03:02:06]

achew22:

wait it speeds up the audio?

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PCjabber:

ok, but how can i check for that?

[03:02:12]

PCjabber:

no, i mis-phrased

[03:02:16]

achew22:

reboot or restart alsa

[03:02:28]

PCjabber:

i've rebooted the system twice already, to no avail

[03:02:57]

achew22:

damn... PCjabber if it sped up the audio I would sugest tuning into live tv and leting it skip to about 6 hrs in the future... then get the powerball numbers and split the money with me

[03:03:13]

PCjabber:

=p

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PCjabber:

lucky NC just got the lotto ;-)

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achew22:

did they!

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achew22:

welcome to 1960

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PCjabber:

march, I think

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PCjabber:

yeah, really, lol

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achew22:

do you think if I made sexy shaped pcb boards (that people could etch on to make usefull electronics) I could sell them on thinkgeek

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MonMotha:

achew22: I think the primary audience of thinkgeek isn't actually that geeky

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MonMotha:

not to mention that you'd have to have them fairly cheap

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achew22:

I would find somewhere to sell with a really geeky place

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MonMotha:

you can get a rather large board done in any shape you want, to your specs with soldermask and silkscreen for like $30 shipped

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achew22:

they will etch it and write on it for 30$ shipped?

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achew22:

wow where?

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MonMotha:

http://www.pcbnet.com/ apparently averages about that for most normal oders

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MonMotha:

if you're a student, www.4pcb.com has top notch boards for $33 + ship

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MonMotha:

or www.pcbexpress.com will do next day turnaround for like $90 per board (+ shipping itself), price depending on number of boards and size

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MonMotha:

then there's sparkfun's new site, www.batchpcb.com

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MonMotha:

$5/sq in + $10 setup

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MonMotha:

no minimum

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Goose-BA:

Im in NC

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achew22:

I'm giong to be a ee in a year or 2.... so

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MonMotha:

all of those are soldermask both sides, silkscreen at least one side

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MonMotha:

pcbnet.com is fun. You can use their "place your bid" functiona nd sometimes get a nice board for like $5 + ship

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MonMotha:

basically, if it fits on a panel that they can't otherwise fill, you'll get lucky

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achew22:

"this cheap price includes solder mask and silkscreen on both sides."

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MonMotha:

yeah, some places will only give you silk on one side for their bare bones runs

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achew22:

MonMotha: damn No complex routing

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achew22:

the curves of a woman probably fit in that category

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MonMotha:

achew22: most of them do limit you to straight lines on their basic stuff

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MonMotha:

in all honesty, when I'm making a PCB, naked lady outlines isn't what I'm going for

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achew22:

thats what curves are... a bunch of straight lines

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PCjabber:

Anyone have any ideas for me, re: the hi-pitched audio issue?

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MonMotha:

I'm usually actually doing something

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PCjabber:

I know, the sample rate thing has been said

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MonMotha:

achew22: yeah, I mean large stretches of straight lines, not "how close to a curve can we get using a gerber"

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PCjabber:

but i'm not sure how I would check that...

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Netslayer:

anyone play with QAM here?

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achew22:

MonMotha: how cool would it be if you opened up your dvd player to see a woman's face staring at you with chips for eyes and a mouth

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MonMotha:

yeah, watching something off it right now

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MonMotha:

achew22: I'd think I overpaid for my DVD player

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PCjabber:

lol

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Netslayer:

when I try the raw capture using my pchdtv card for QAM it works fine but the channels actually change on me. for example 102.1 will be FOX one time and some local channel the next time I try capturing.. trying to figure out how to fix that

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MonMotha:

womanly figure outlines belong on women

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achew22:

I've not paid more than 5$ for dvd players since I got my 1st wone

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PCjabber:

true, true, MonMotha

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achew22:

MonMotha, PCjabber: whats on your desktop

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MonMotha:

heh, I think my first one cost me like $180

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PCjabber:

that

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PCjabber:

that's kinda random, achew22

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MonMotha:

achew22: some green "nebula" thing I whipped up in GIMP a long time ago

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PCjabber:

umm, not sure, too many icons covering it =p

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achew22:

PCjabber he said womenly curves belong on bodies... I said whats on your desktop

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MonMotha:

icons? on a desktop?

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achew22:

shuddup

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PCjabber:

something from deviantart, i think

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PCjabber:

nope, im wrong — digitalblasphemy

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achew22:

HA! check out the faq: http://www.batchpcb.com/faq.php

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achew22:

under "Can I route really exotic shapes?"

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PCjabber:

Anyone have any ideas for me, re: the hi-pitched audio issue?

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achew22:

PCjabber: if its not your sample rates (I really think its that) then its your ears

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PCjabber:

k, how do I go about checking the sample rates?

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PCjabber:

b/c I'm pretty sure it's not my ears ;-)

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achew22:

I've no ideas

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Netslayer:

how well is mythtv compiling with gcc 4.1 these days? planning on moving over

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MonMotha:

achew22: yeah, for the price, batchpcb tends to offer the most flexibility

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MonMotha:

however, it's also the slowest turnaround

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MonMotha:

sometimes up to a month

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PCjabber:

MonMotha, any ideas on how to check sample rates of audio that's playing?

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achew22:

MonMotha I don't really care about turnaround — thats why we have breadboards

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MonMotha:

achew22: you haven't done projects with deadlines using chips that can't be breadboarded :)

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achew22:

<-- In highschool... applying to be an ee next year

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xris:

Netslayer: I've never had any issues

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achew22:

xris: are you on 4.1?

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xris:

4.1.1

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xris:

fc5

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achew22:

I had serious issues with 4.0

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MonMotha:

achew22: you'll quickly get into projects (especially during your last year) where you'll want to use chips that arne't available (and often wouldn't work due to electromagnetic concerns) in DIP package

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MonMotha:

at that point, especially in the case of the latter issue, you make yourself a board

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MonMotha:

and for term projects or quickie things, turnaround can be very imporant

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achew22:

MonMotha in that case I would get some of those boards you do with acid

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MonMotha:

not so much so on long-term senior projects

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MonMotha:

achew22: can't do soldermask or plated holes then. Not to mention you can't do them precisely enough to do TQFP and smaller

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mythicness:

hi guys

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MonMotha:

even the larger QFPs are hard

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achew22:

MonMoth: I'm so lost you have no idea

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achew22:

MonMotha: are you an ee?

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MonMotha:

computer engineering

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MonMotha:

same idea

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mythicness:

when im watching tv my mythtv doesnt fill the entire screen

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mythicness:

is that cos the offset isnt right?

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achew22:

MonMotha can we go into another room I don't want to clog the channel with unrelated stuff

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xris:

mythicness: you might be able to configure overscan on your video card

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MonMotha:

#edev would be appropriate

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mythicness:

Everything else is ok, its only when I watch TV, there is a black border around the tv display

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mythicness:

xris: cool, any ideas where I would do that?

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xris:

depends on your video card

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xris:

mine are in the nvidia-settings program

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mythicness:

xris: also its only when im watching tv in myth, everything else on the tv out is cool

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achew22:

MonMotha this is slightly larget than embed devices

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xris:

mythicness: oh

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mythicness:

xris: yeah thats why i dont really know what to do

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mythicness:

xris: that means it must be a setting in myth?

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xris:

in that case, set overscan (or maybe it's called zoom) within mythtv itself.. tv settings in the frontend

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achew22:

MonMotha: also I would like to find some reading on ee for this sumer

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dscoular:

mythicness, I think you can adjust the overscan settings in mythtv.

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mythicness:

ah ok

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mythicness:

where abouts would I do that?

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xris:

mythicness: it's more likely that your tv signal just isn't full frame and you need to zoom around it.

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xris:

I just told you. tv settings in the frontend

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mythicness:

i poked around for ages but couldnt find anything

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dscoular:

Under settings in the front end...

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MonMotha:

achew22: people talk about all sorts of stuff in there. PCB manufacturing comes up often

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dscoular:

I'll find it in a sec...

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mythicness:

ok lemme try again, sos

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achew22:

xris: will the overscan stuff in myth change the settings in X?

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xris:

achew22: no

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xris:

it's strictly crop/zoom on playback

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achew22:

so it can only use the space thats allocated by X?

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dscoular:

SetUp > TV Settings > Playback

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achew22:

MonMotha: I'm apply to be an ee at University of Colorado, do you have any sugestions for books to get me ready for my freshman year and some books to make sure that I will enjoy ee to deal with during my senior year

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dscoular:

Seventh screen, entitled "overscan"

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MonMotha:

achew22: they'll handle eveything

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dscoular:

achew22, the "dice man" is a good read ;)

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MonMotha:

the biggest thing you can do is to make sure your math foundations are good, from an academic point of view

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xris:

achew22: of course

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achew22:

xris... whats the point then? why not just do it in X?

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achew22:

sorry, with the xorg config

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PCjabber:

achew, b/c if it's just around the display when watching TV in myth, it's a myth problem

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dscoular:

achew22, I think it controls the XV overlay seperate from what the X display appears in.

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achew22:

PCjabber AHH

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achew22:

sorry- capslock

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PCjabber:

o/t (bringing up my problem again, since there are more people here now)... does anyone know how to check the samplerate of currently-playing-audio?

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mythicness:

dscoular: thanks i fiddled with the settings and its a lot better

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mythicness:

hmmm, but its still a little funny

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mythicness:

it fills the screen, but also zooms in on the image, so I dont actually see the full image

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mythicness:

so basically it is stretching it to fill the scree, *but* also zooming in which i dont want

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mythicness:

if that makes sense

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mythicness:

is it supposed to be doing that?

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PCjabber:

OK, I feel like an idiot. The issue I was having? I fixed it by turning off "Use video as timebase" in TV settings> Playback.

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PCjabber:

That seems to have fixed it, both in TV and on DVDs

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PCjabber:

mythicness, one sec

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PCjabber:

i had that issue before

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PCjabber:

im just trying to find the setting I used to fix it...

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PCjabber:

it's just in TV? not in the Myth menus?

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PCjabber:

mythicness? you still there?

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mythicness:

yeah

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mythicness:

no its not in my tv

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mythicness:

cos it looks fine on tv out for everything else

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mythicness:

just when im watching tv

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PCjabber:

is the black border issue just in TV playback? or in all of myth (i.e. menus)?

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mythicness:

only tv playback

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PCjabber:

OK, what settings were you changing to try to fix it?

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PCjabber:

TV Settings> Playback> Overscan?

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PCjabber:

or something else?

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mythicness:

yeah the overscan settings

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mythicness:

it makes it fill the screen nicely

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mythicness:

but then it zooms into the image, thus cutting some of it out :'(

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PCjabber:

hmm

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mythicness:

i only want it to strech the output

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PCjabber:

what percent are you adjusting the settings to?

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mythicness:

like 2% horizontal, and 4% vertical

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mythicness:

also set the offset slightly to center the output

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PCjabber:

what were the settings at before? 0%/0%?

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PCjabber:

or something less?

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mythicness:

yeah

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PCjabber:

hmm

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hadees:

anyone using ivtv .6.2? If so what firmware are you using? I can't seem to get it to load

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PCjabber:

how bad are the black bars at 0/0, mythicness?

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PCjabber:

hadees, what kind of capture card?

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hadees:

pvr 250 and 150 mce

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PCjabber:

one sec, hadees, i read something about that recently...

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mythicness:

they were pretty siff

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mythicness:

i think i got it sorted with a lot of hacking :)

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mythicness:

thanks PCjabber :)

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mythicness:

what do u guys set the LiveTV bitrate?

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mythicness:

I set mine to 10,000 kbit/sec

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mythicness:

I found when there was a lot of rapid activity it looked quite bad – like when u watching sports

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PCjabber:

no prob, mythic =)

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hadees:

PCjabber, any luck finding it?

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PCjabber:

hadees, try http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Firmware

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hadees:

PCjabber, i did, no luck

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PCjabber:

oh

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hadees:

this is my first time using 6.2

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hadees:

thats why i am wondering if anyone actually has it working

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hadees:

i just reinstalled my system and ended up with a kernel right over the threshold

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hadees:

mabey i'll go backwards

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PCjabber:

sorry, i dont have a 150, so i can't say for sure

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mythicness:

what do u guys set the LiveTV bitrate, mine is 10,000?

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mythicness:

think thats too high?

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PCjabber:

and i'm not running 6.2 ;-)

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PCjabber:

10000 seems high to me

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mythicness:

hmm

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mythicness:

whats urs?

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PCjabber:

1sec, i'll check

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mythicness:

i think default is like 5000

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mythicness:

but it did look quite bad at times when there is a lot of rapid movement

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PCjabber:

wow, my live is 4500, 6000 max

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PCjabber:

which is probably too low

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mythicness:

yeah

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PCjabber:

but i remember that quite some time ago, ivtv had a problem with bitrates over a certain value

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hadees:

mythicness, just play with it, nothing is set in stone

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mythicness:

i think it saturates at around 8000

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PCjabber:

which could be why I had it set that way...

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mythicness:

yeah ill try that

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mythicness:

whats the best res? I set mine to 640x480 – think thats decent

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PCjabber:

remember your HDD space too

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PCjabber:

NTSC or PAL?

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hadees:

mythicness, you might even want to have different settings for things like sports, tv shows, news, etc

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mythicness:

hadees, wow didnt know u can do that

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MonMotha:

if you only have analog cable or are running composite from a box, 480x480 is realistically all you'll probably be able to resolve out

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MonMotha:

480x576 if you have PAL video

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mythicness:

im using composite

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mythicness:

PAL

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PCjabber:

What MonMotha said...

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PCjabber:

720x480 is full NTSC

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PCjabber:

can't remember full PAL off the top of my head...

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MonMotha:

in that case, you might as well bump it down to 480x576 so you can get more quality for what you have given the same bitrate or turn the bitrate down a bit

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PCjabber:

or both

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mythicness:

sweet lemme try

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MonMotha:

PAL is 576 lines, generally accepted to have the same maximum horizontal

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MonMotha:

I think 576

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MonMotha:

visible

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MonMotha:

NTSC is actually 525 lines, only about 480 of which are actually active

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mythicness:

I set it to 480x576 – seems better yeah

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mythicness:

could be in my mind though hehe

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mythicness:

thanks fella's

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mythicness:

oh yeah another question

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PCjabber:

MonMotha, some of the others are active...just hidden

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mythicness:

I am running 5.1 sound

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PCjabber:

e.g. for VBI data

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mythicness:

but my tv only outputs to the 2 front speakers and the sub

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mythicness:

but the other speaks are able to output sound, its only for tv playback

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PCjabber:

using SPDIF?

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MonMotha:

PCjabber: well yeah, they're active now

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mythicness:

Is it possible to fix that up?

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MonMotha:

though not for video

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PCjabber:

MonMotha, yeah, just nitpicking here ;-)

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MonMotha:

and they were originally blanked (though I belive it was actually 482 active lines or something like that – when digital came and multiples of 16 were preferred for MPEG, it got chopped to 480 with the others generally black)

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MonMotha:

most production chains are digital now, with the analog being done at the end

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PCjabber:

mythicness, are you using SPDIF?

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PCjabber:

yeah, makes sense, MonMotha

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mythicness:

No, Im using normal RCA

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PCjabber:

for 5.1 out?

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MonMotha:

you can do it

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PCjabber:

am I missing something here?

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mythicness:

oh well my decoder has two RCA cables that go into a mini jack in my tv card

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MonMotha:

that's how the original dolby stuff was done

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PCjabber:

hmm

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mythicness:

then my sound card just has normal mini jacks

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PCjabber:

several mini jacks?

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MonMotha:

there's the analog base channels left and right front lowpassed to about 20kHz with a subcarrier holding the difference between the front and back modulated up higher

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mythicness:

yeah – 3

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PCjabber:

oh, ok

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mythicness:

I tested using that command $ speaker-test -Dsurround -c6

[04:07:21]

MonMotha:

that's the more modern way of doing it, and it results in better quality

[04:07:27]

mythicness:

and it outputs on all channels(speakers)

[04:07:34]

MonMotha:

leaving everything at baseband on separate wires

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PCjabber:

Does myth have a surround option for multiple sets of minijacks?

[04:08:16]

PCjabber:

i'm pretty sure it does for SPDIF

[04:08:23]

mythicness:

MonMotha: Were u speaking to me?

[04:08:47]

PCjabber:

i think MonMotha's comments were directed at me, but i could be wrong

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mythicness:

Oh hehe

[04:08:53]

mythicness:

sos

[04:08:54]

MonMotha:

in theory, enabling AC3 passthrough should let ALSA handle it however you set it up to

[04:09:02]

MonMotha:

5.1 analog output sound cards should be able to take it apart

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PCjabber:

OK

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mythicness:

hmm, so where is the setting in myth that I would have to alter? Or would I need to change something on my tvcard directly?

[04:09:40]

mythicness:

or is it impossibe?

[04:09:44]

mythicness:

impossible*

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MonMotha:

enable AC3 passthrough

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MonMotha:

though how are you getting 5.1 audio in the first place?

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mythicness:

Me?

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PCjabber:

go to Settings > General > Audio

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MonMotha:

yeah

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PCjabber:

^^ to mythicness

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mythicness:

Well its just a C-Media soundcard

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MonMotha:

where are you getting 5.1 audio from for regular TV? You're using composite, so you must not be using digital TV

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PCjabber:

i think MonMotha means via the TV

[04:10:45]

MonMotha:

or you just have a wierd hookup for the box

[04:10:51]

MonMotha:

yeah, but why run 5.1 if you don't have the data for it?

[04:10:55]

mythicness:

well no its not 5.1 sound on tv, only 2 technically

[04:11:01]

mythicness:

I just want sound to come through all speakers

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PCjabber:

but if there isn't data for it...how is that possible

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mythicness:

It wont be true 5.1 – cos my decoder(tv) doesnt actually output that

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MonMotha:

oh, so you want to abuse your setup

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PCjabber:

(well, i know it's _possible_, i meant...how would it work properly)

[04:11:37]

MonMotha:

you'll have to set up asoundrc to copy the data

[04:11:40]

mythicness:

well I want to run sound through the extra speakers cos they are there – it'll sound better

[04:11:46]

MonMotha:

let me guess, you stretch 4:3 TV to widescreen, too

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mythicness:

otherwise the base drowns out the treble :'(

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MonMotha:

so just turn down the bass...

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mythicness:

hehe yeah I could

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mythicness:

but then when i watch movies suddenly all speakers work, so then the treble drowns out the base

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PCjabber:

so turn the bass back up ;-)

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PCjabber:

For more than you'll care to know about .asoundrc files (where you can set it up how you want it...)

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PCjabber:

try here: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/asoundrc.php

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mythicness:

PCjabber: but that would mean I would constantly be adjusting bass, and I wouldnt be utilising the full power of my sound system

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mythicness:

cool ill check that site

[04:16:02]

PCjabber:

yes, i was kinda joking ;-)

[04:16:09]

PCjabber:

the asoundrc is the way to go

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mythicness:

coo

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mythicness:

thanks

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mythicness:

hehe

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PCjabber:

if you look at the sections about virtual multichannel sound, you'll get some ideas =)

[04:16:51]

PCjabber:

just make a backup of your current .asoundrc before you begin =)

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mythicness:

so I can setup a config that applies only to the myth tv playback?

[04:17:53]

PCjabber:

erm, not sure about that. i think it would affect everything coming from that system. maybe not

[04:18:07]

PCjabber:

but if it was set up right, it should just force the soundcard to always output in 5.1

[04:19:21]

PCjabber:

i'm going afk for a while. if anyone needs me, my email is pcjabber AT gmail.com

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Freman:

transcoding... the 1800xp and the 4200 x2 were both started at the same time... the 1800 is almost finished

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mythicness:

does mythtv's audio playback go through the alsa-lib layer

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xris:

mythicness: if you're using alsa

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edmicman:

Is there anyone here that could answer a quick question about mythgame?

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xris:

or rather, if it was built/configured to use alsa

[04:31:36]

edmicman:

I'm using knoppmyth...everything is coming along well. But I'm having an issue with NES emulation and fceu. If I run it from an xterm, everything works great, including my gamepads. But when I run it from within mythgame, the gamepads *don't* work. I've made sure its using the same command line options, etc. Any ideas? What else could be different?

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mythicness:

xris: how do i check if i am using alsa

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xris:

no clue

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mythicness:

i think i am

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mythicness:

cos if i stop it my sound doesnt work

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mythicness:

by it i mean the alsa service

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xris:

new nuvexport available... now prints an estimated eta.

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Freman:

12:15:58: transcode command will be: transcode -i /var/lib/mythdvd/temp/Timescape/vob/ -g 720x576 -f 0,3 -M 1 -V -B 1,0 -y xvid -w 1618 -A -N 0x2000 -o /video/videos/Timescape.avi --print_status 20 --color 0

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Freman:

how can I make transcode (mythdvd) take full advantage of the amd64 dual core?

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xris:

Freman: you mean multiprocess?

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Freman:

I guess so...

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Freman:

at the moment the 4200 x2 is taking almost twice as long as the 1800xp

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xris:

in my experience, it's no faster with only 2 cores because so much other stuff is going on (decoding, audio encoding, etc)....

[04:42:19]

xris:

then something else si wrong

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Freman:

top shows transcode has 99% cput

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Freman:

ime

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xris:

Freman: you sure transcode is compiled 64 bit?

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Freman:

it's gentoo, so yep (c:

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Freman:

CFLAGS="-O2 -march=k8 -msse3 -pipe"

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Freman:

CHOST="x86_64-pc-linux-gnu"

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xris:

the option you want is probably -u

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xris:

it's all covered in the man page (search for threads)

[04:45:40]

PiranhaP:

does anybody here have a working PVRxx0 + Bt848 framegrabber setup? If so, what options are you passing to the modules (ivtv & bttv). Should I use "options ivtv tuner=50,2" or split it out and create "options bttv tuner=2"?

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Freman:

xris: I found it... but it's a 2 part option m,n

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xris:

yup, but it gives you the defaults right there, so just leave the first number the same as the default

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Freman:

I'll give it a try for the next dvd

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achew22:

on the 700mb gnetoo install cd does it have precompiled copies of gnome, X and the stuff to get a basic GUI?

[04:50:02]

Freman:

might also consider upgrading to gcc 4.1

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xris:

crap. just realized that I forgot to copy over my svn post-commit scripts. heh.

[04:52:16]

achew22:

xris: did you redo your box?

[04:52:24]

xris:

new hardware

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xris:

old box just happens to be turned off...

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xris:

and I'm too lazy to walk out to the garage to turn it back on

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achew22:

xris: you don't have wol do you?

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xris:

no. it's an ancient p3

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achew22:

ahh

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achew22:

does anyone have any ideas for making a switch on my case without soldering onto the board?

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mchou:

achew22: huh??

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xris:

I think my mythbox will be empty by tomorrow. heh

[04:56:25]

mchou:

achew22: switch for what?

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achew22:

I want to put a mythbox in an old dvd player. I don't want to solder wires onto the jumper for the switch

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mchou:

xris: you upgrade or downgrade you mythbox?

[04:56:54]

xris:

mchou: neither

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xris:

achew22: so steal the jumper-type connectors from another case..

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mchou:

achew22: you dont have to solder anything if you have a crimper :)

[04:57:39]

achew22:

just cut them out?

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xris:

achew22: cut, solder the wires

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mchou:

lol

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achew22:

mchou wow... just wow

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mchou:

that still involves soldering

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achew22:

I don't want to solder wires onto my mobo

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mchou:

achew22: solder is most cost effective

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xris:

achew22: all you'd be doing is soldering a different end onto the connectors on the power switch in the dvd case

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mchou:

a crimper will set you back around $15

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xris:

mchou: what kind of crimper are you talking about?

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achew22:

so if I went to a case I didn't care about cut off the reset switch's jumpers and soldered them onto the button for my dvd player I could get it to work?

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mchou:

xris: a molex type crimper

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xris:

how will that help?

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achew22:

mchou molex is WAY too big

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achew22:

i'm talking about the points that are 1/2 a millimiter from each other

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xris:

achew22: assuming the power switch on the dvd player is a compatible style of switch

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mchou:

achew22: non, you need a molex crimper

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mchou:

achew22: http://www.action-electronics.com/molex93.htm#Extractor

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mchou:

the one with the yeloow handle

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mchou:

yellow*

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xris:

mchou: but then he'd have to find somewhere that sells the crimped endpieces for 28 (or smaller) gage wire.

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mchou:

trust me, I just did a whole bunch

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mchou:

xris: those are easy to get

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xris:

not as easy as solder. heh

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mchou:

any electronics parts store would have them

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achew22:

mchou: that involves getting out of the house

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xris:

achew22: cut, solder, go

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mchou:

xris: I already said solder was most cost effective

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achew22:

no — not cost effective... lazy effective

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xris:

achew22: and cost effective.

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xris:

easiest solution all around.

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achew22:

yep

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xris:

ok, I need to get away from the computer for awhile. later.

[05:03:47]

achew22:

later

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mchou:

achew22: http://marvin3m.com/connect/

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achew22:

mchou: wow... you have no idea what were looking for

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mchou:

achew22: huh??

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Freman:

hehe, the 1800 is optymistic... it starts low and counts high – it started off at 2 minutes for this dvd... the dual core is pesamistic. it started high (4 hours) and is counting down

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kavorka^:

anyone know when 19.1 is being released?

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achew22:

its out

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Freman:

what's fixed in 19.1?

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kavorka^:

u sure??

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kavorka^:

when was it released?

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mchou:

achew22: stop lying

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Freman:

Hey, I've got corruption on almost all my recorded shows – could this be related to file system?

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dscoular:

svn 0.19-fixes has lots of DVB-T related fixes.

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kavorka^:

god i hope its fixes my issues

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Netslayer:

anyone play with QAM here?

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dscoular:

Freman, does it occur outwith mythtv ?

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Freman:

my ripped dvd's don't have corruption – and I've never noticed any while watching live tv (not something I do a lot of however)

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Freman:

I'm running xfs if that counts – was told it's best for the task...

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Netslayer:

Freman unless you have to hard reboot

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Netslayer:

Freman, i use it.. but i have lost a whole 600GB myth array last month

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Freman:

I normally use reiserfs

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Netslayer:

i lost a partition to that as well

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Netslayer:

i use it for root

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timbo_:

hey everyone – I've just updated to kernel 2.6.16 and ivtv 0.6.2 I used to have audio stuttering on one tv channel I never really watched but now it seems to be on all channels where do I start to find the cause?

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mchou:

Freman: what do you mean by corruption? i.e. how do you know a file is "corrupted?"

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Freman:

video and audio glitches

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mchou:

Freman: that may not necessarily mean the files are corrupted

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mchou:

Freman: it could had been recorded with glitches

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Freman:

one or two lines of blocks go funky 60's colours... then it's fine for a little bit... or the audio hickups and pops... or the whole screen has blocks of 60's colours for a few frames

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Freman:

I only transcode dvd's, not tv so it's not a transcoding error

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mchou:

Freman: lol

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mchou:

most likely it is a trancoding error

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mchou:

transcoding*

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Freman:

I ran my STB for 2 weeks before plugging the myth in... I didn't see any glitches then. I sometimes (not often) watch live tv and I've never seen a glitch there

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mchou:

I mean how do you know it's not?

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Freman:

I'm not transcoding tv

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Freman:

I'm taking the stream and writing it to disk

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Freman:

that's it

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mchou:

Freman: how are your "recording"?

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mchou:

you*

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Freman:

scheduled recording, everything relating to transcoding in the recording profiles is turned off

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mchou:

Freman: no, what hardware besides STB

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Freman:

I'm not using the stb any more, I've got a DVico Dual HDTV tuner card

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mchou:

then the dvico or your signal with be the things I'd check, not file corruption

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Freman:

I had the STB while I finished moving and unpacking.

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mchou:

s/with/would

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Freman:

signal is 80%, the dvico is used while watching livetv...

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octavious:

timbo_: i was having problems with ivtv 0.6.2

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Freman:

While I've got so little on the drives, I might reformat it to reiserfs... just to see

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mchou:

Freman: lol, livetv uses the disk

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Freman:

can't make it much worse

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octavious:

timbo_: it would studder, and freeze up when i tried to change the channel. i reverted to 0.6.1 and it worked

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Freman:

and while I'm at it, I will upgrade the dvb-cvs tree I'm using to make sure it's not drivers

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mchou:

Freman: I think you're wasting your time barking up the wrong tree w/fs

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Freman:

which is why I'm also doing the driver (c;

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Freman:

on 18.x I don't remmember any glitching... but back then I was on a 80 gig reiserfs

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mchou:

Freman: you see no glitches using myth livetv or you do?

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timbo_:

octavious: thanks... I've jumped stright to 0.6.2 since it's the only ebuild there... same thing would happen with 0.4.anything greater than 0 did you notince lots of rebuffering messages?

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Freman:

now I'm on 120gig, 80gig, and 300 gig lvm2'd with xfs

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mchou:

Freman: trust me, xfs is MUCH more reliable than crappy Reiser

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Freman:

I've heard that ext3 also is (c:

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Freman:

but I got 40 machines running reiser that havn't lost a bit (c;

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Freman:

mandrake 9.2 made me go reiserfs when the ext3 partition kept consuming it's self

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Freman:

(long time ago huh (c: )

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mchou:

lol, that was because mandrake had an error in their scripts in 9.2

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mchou:

Freman: not because the filesystem was "bad"

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Freman:

well, I'll upgrade my kernel & drivers – see if that helps.

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Freman:

I might also swap the antanna cable round for one that's better rated for digital reception

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Freman:

(the good one I had was a touch to short

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Netslayer:

where in the settings in the new dvd stuff? ie to enable/disable internal dvd playback

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metalac:

hey guys

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metalac:

I've been using mythtv for a few weeks now

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metalac:

and just recently i bought an HDTV

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metalac:

1080p

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metalac:

i'm setting it up as we speak

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metalac:

what I want to know is how well will mythtv work on this resolution

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metalac:

and if conventional TV-signal will fill the screen or just the portion of it

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mchou:

metalac: umm, that's gonna depend on a lot of things, like your display card and TV :)

[06:08:17]

metalac:

FX5200

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metalac:

TV does stretch everything that's non 1080p

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metalac:

what i wonder if mythtv does anyt filling on the sides

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mchou:

chech out myth's 'w' key :)

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mchou:

check*

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metalac:

what does that do?

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metalac:

the box is unusable right now it's updating some stuff

[06:09:51]

metalac:

got to love the look of console on 42" screen :)

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metalac:

it's a huge upgrade from a previous 20" where everything was ineligable

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mchou:

what brand and make is the TV?

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metalac:

westinghouse

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metalac:

it's a brand new model they came out with

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metalac:

they used to have one that did 1080i only

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metalac:

but they just came out with 1080p

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metalac:

cheap too

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mchou:

this one? https://www.westinghousedigital.com/pc-44-7-4 . . . monitor.aspx

[06:12:29]

metalac:

that's the one

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mchou:

how much was it?

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metalac:

i got it at bestbuy for $2370

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metalac:

they have that 18 months no interest so i went for it

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metalac:

seen few places online that have it for around 2200

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metalac:

but shipping is 100 usually

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octavious:

timbo_: hmm, i don't recall getting those messages

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octavious:

timbo_: i did, however, find a 0.6.1 ebuild if you haven't found one, just throw it in an overlay and try it out

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mchou:

metalac: so it was a "special oder" for you at BB?

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mchou:

order*

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metalac:

no it was a normal order

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metalac:

although only one store had it in my area

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metalac:

they had one in store

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metalac:

luckly it was the store next to my house

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metalac:

anyone here using irtrans ??

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achew22:

does anyone in here use gentoo?

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dscoular:

sure

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achew22:

dscoular if I use the 700mb install cd, does it have precompiled packages on it?

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dscoular:

yes, you'll find it all explained at their web site.

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achew22:

dscoular which one is it? the universal or the package or the livecd?

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dscoular:

From the handbook "Gentoo Reference Platform, a collection of prebuilt packages meant for immediate use"

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achew22:

cool

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achew22:

thanks

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dscoular:

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handboo . . . 1&chap=2

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dscoular:

I'd say the live cd and the package cd look like the go... it's a long time since I had to install gentoo... and I just used the stage3 style way back then... I suspect the livecd will be nicest to use these days.

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dscoular:

http://gentoo-wiki.com/Gentoo_Reference_Platform

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malaTG2:

Hi everyone! A question : Will there be any page were you can follow the progress of myth in googles summer of code?

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ASTX813:

No luck on google yet (granted it's 4am here), any idea why ./configure won't enable dvd playback?

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dscoular:

ASTX813, at guess your missing a required library. The configure log should tell you.

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ASTX813:

dscoular: I didn't see any complaints in the log

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ASTX813:

i'll take another glance

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dscoular:

It says "yes" or "no" to each configuration option it has decided to enable based on checks it makes for required headers and libraries.

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ASTX813:

config.log only shows the command history

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dscoular:

Put it up on pastebin.ca if you want me to look at it

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dscoular:

By the way, what exactly do you mean by dvd playback ? have you configured it to use xine, mplayer or Internal ?

[09:32:11]

ASTX813:

Take a look http://pastebin.ca/61646

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ASTX813:

note the option under Misc Features for DVD Playback. I made sure there's a /dev/dvd don't know any other ideas

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dscoular:

Line 40. DVD playback no, this means you are missing the dvd libraries and headers... configure itself is a simple shell script.

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dscoular:

You need libdvdnav and it's associated headers

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ASTX813:

I think I already have that... i'll double check

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dscoular:

You are maybe missing the devel version of the library depending on what distro you are talking about

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ASTX813:

Ubuntu Dapper

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dscoular:

That'll be libdvdnav-dev then methinks

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ASTX813:

only that one (installing it now)

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dscoular:

one failed dependancy is enough ;)

[09:39:07]

ASTX813:

aint that the truth!

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ASTX813:

yep, that was the missing package. I had the main one, but left out the -dev

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ASTX813:

I've got an nvidia card, so I guess that means I can't get XvMC, right?

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dscoular:

No, NVidia cards support XcMC very well.

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dscoular:

oops

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dscoular:

XvMC

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ASTX813:

I guess I want that, too

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dscoular:

I don't use it myself since I only use SD and have a fast proc.

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dscoular:

I don't like the few limitations it imposes.

[09:41:49]

dscoular:

Like the OSD being greyscale (although that can be worked around)

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ASTX813:

Ive got an athlon xp 1800, think that's fast enough to not need xvmc?

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dscoular:

Suck it and see... try it first without.

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dscoular:

If you are trying to do HD you'll probably want it.

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ASTX813:

I don't have any HD gear, so probably not.

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dscoular:

yeah... try it later once you have got the basics working.

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ASTX813:

now i get to let it compile. fuuuuuun times

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ASTX813:

man, my buzz wore off working on this crap for 4 hours

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ASTX813:

I should have just installed it from apt. Wanted to be stubborn and compile myself

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dscoular:

hopefully the 0.19-fixes from svn

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Juski:

morning

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alieas:

'morning

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ASTX813:

no shit

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dscoular:

evening

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Juski:

oh great. I succeeded in building mythtv without lirc support :-/

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Juski:

hi COume

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Juski:

oops

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Coume:

hi Juski how are u?

[11:34:48]

Juski:

yesterday I compiled mythtv on my xbox & I thought all was well, but it seems that lirc isn't working :-/ lircd & lircmd work just fine & irw outputs keypresses as it should. However when I start mythfrontend without lirc running it doesn't complain, and when I start it _with_ the lirc daemon running mythfrontend doesn't respond. Any ideas as to what went wrong?

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Juski:

not bad Coume. little bit aching from yesterday but great otherwise (and trying to find out how to get lirc going with xbox myth again)

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bilbravo:

how hard is it to set up mythtv on an xbox? can you do just the front-end? I don't think it has a tuner, doe sit?

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Coume:

Juski, I managed to USB key boot the pundit :) but that's far too slow! lol

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Juski:

bilbravo: it's easy, and yes just a frontend

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bilbravo:

interesting

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** Coume needs to find out how much space is required for installing a frontend only in debian **

[11:37:53]

bilbravo:

a cheap front-end, easily and readily available

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bilbravo:

now THAT is something i will do for sure

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Juski:

bilbravo: interesting and yet frustrating. lirc worked when I installed it from ready-made, so it's looking like something I've done wrong

[11:38:35]

bilbravo:

Juski: is the remote difficult to configure as a rule, or are you just having a tempermental xbox?

[11:38:58]

Juski:

bilbravo: lirc is dead easy when you know what you're doing

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bilbravo:

ok, that answers my question then... you're doing it from scratch?

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bilbravo:

awesome

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bilbravo:

so what about the xbox? do you need to chip it?

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Juski:

Coume: cool – I netboot my frontend as you know & it's about the same speed as disk/usb booting

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Juski:

bilbravo: yes you need to enable running non-M$ software on it

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Juski:

which I won't dicuss further here

[11:40:12]

bilbravo:

'nuff said

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Juski:

s/dicuss/discuss

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bilbravo:

i'll be back in a bit

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Coume:

Juski, I will be going with a CF to IDE adaptater and then install DSL on the CF and then install frontend. DSL is Mb, I wonder how small could be my install

[11:41:24]

bilbravo:

how much is an xbox at eb games? hehe

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Juski:

hmmm :-/ irw works fine, but mythfrontend just isn't listening to lirc

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Juski:

Coume: I've seen some guides about mythtv on DSL

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** Juski checks the ML to see if 0.19-fixes has a lirc problem **

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Juski:

hmm it might've been cos I didn't have irexec running, but it should've been...

[11:44:49]

Juski:

rebootski

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Juski:

if this works, then I'll be taking the box apart to try & make the fan stop whining

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Juski:

hrm

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gardengnome:

re

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Juski:

afternoon gardengnome

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gardengnome:

morning ;)

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Coume:

afternoon gardengnome

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Juski:

bah mythfrontend still isn't listening to lirc

[11:53:05]

Coume:

you still have one month :)

[11:53:08]

Juski:

lol

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Juski:

I could just go back to the bare install without mythvideo

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Coume:

I don't think that I will be able to add an lirc receiver to the Pundit in time... First aim is to buy the CF-to-IDE from china 1GBP instead of 15GBP in the UK :)

[11:54:58]

gardengnome:

it's amazed that people are too fscking stupid to change one line in a perl script by hand.

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gardengnome:

amazing*

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Juski:

Coume: I'll have the IR stuff covered ;-)

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Juski:

(if you have a spare serial port that is)

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Coume:

erm let me check if the pundit as a serial port :) IIRC yes

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Coume:

yep got a serial port

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Coume:

so will hae the saturday at lugradio to get lirc working :)

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Juski:

dead easy

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Coume:

eheh

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Juski:

famous

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Juski:

last

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Juski:

words

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Coume:

btw, I will be ordering a Tshirt today to check quality. I think I will go with a long sleeve

[11:59:18]

gardengnome:

nice. i'm gonna order some stuff soon, too

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Juski:

this tops it all. lirc works with xine!

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Coume:

Juski, did you put the lirc file at the 2 locations?

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Juski:

let me just get this straight... if you start mythfrontend on a system with no lirc running it _should_ complain about not being able to connect to the socket, yes?

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Juski:

Coume: I have a lircrc file in /home/live/.mythtv and a .lircrc file in /home/live

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Coume:

gardengnome, I will tell you with the printing is of good quality. I hope so :)

[12:01:09]

Juski:

as I should :-)

[12:01:22]

Juski:

oh hang on – on here it's just a symlink

[12:01:32]

Coume:

it was just in case, could have been an easy one :)

[12:01:43]

Juski:

I had problems with my umbongo box the other day symlinking the file

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Juski:

trying again – this time with a _copy_

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gardengnome:

Coume: ok :)

[12:03:02]

Juski:

still no dice

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Juski:

is it even possible to build mythtv without lirc support?

[12:03:58]

Juski:

oh. and then I find this: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/207360

[12:04:44]

Coume:

eheh, at least you are 2 then ;)

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dscoular:

eyurgh!

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Juski:

I think they've stopped mythfrontend announcing it couldn't connect to lirc

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Juski:

since lirc support is supposed to be built in

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Juski:

i.e. there doesn't seem to be a way to build it _without_ lirc

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gardengnome:

--disable-lirc? :)

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Juski:

lol yeah of course!

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Juski:

but I didn't disable it

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Juski:

Sat Jun 3 11:28:15 CEST 2006

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Juski:

./configure --prefix=/usr/local

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Juski:

if I didn't have the lirc libs shouldn't it have complained about that?

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Juski:

sudo apt-get install liblircclient-dev

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Juski:

dammit

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Juski:

I could've just used apt-get in the first place!

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Darthy:

hi

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Darthy:

does anyone around have an epia m10000 ?

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gardengnome:

Juski: apt-get build-dep mythtv :P

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Juski:

gardengnome: it didn't pull the lirc stuff in. everything else gthough

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Juski:

Darthy: just ask the damn question

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Darthy:

i have a verax a1 cooling kit and im wondering what funny noises come out of the box. the cooler is not that good as i thought. maybe im doing something wrong.. does anyone have such a cooler? or what do you use?

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** Juski uses a zalman northbridge cooler **

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Darthy:

is it noticable?

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Juski:

cpu stays within spec but could do with being cooler I guess

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Juski:

noticable? it's _silent_

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Darthy:

what temperature do you get on cpu?

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Juski:

the only time I hear anything is when I first put a dvd in the drive

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Juski:

varies. max is around 65'C

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Darthy:

k.. i have 45–52'C

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Juski:

when I'm only playing mpeg2 though it goes down to around 45'C

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Darthy:

how can i reset the rounds per minute my cooler is doing for a specific temp. ?

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Juski:

get a temperature controlled fan controller

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Darthy:

its temperature controled

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Juski:

from a quick google it seems the cooler you have is just an aftermarket fan

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Darthy:

can i modify the bahaviour of the fan somehow from software?

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Juski:

nope

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Juski:

you was robbed!

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Juski:

I could probably have lived with the 'noise' of the stock cooler

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Juski:

Coume: have you seen the size of the binary packages for mythtv? I've never noticed how small they are before

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Coume:

Juski, not really... but I remember at last emerge that it was mainly the dependencies that were taking all the space

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Darthy:

so.. which fan did you mean exactly?

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Darthy:

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Darthy:

ZM-NB47J

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Darthy:

?

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Juski:

Darthy: no fan!

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Darthy:

oops

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Darthy:

i meant passive cooler

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Juski:

but that's the one

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Darthy:

im on the the zalman hp.. and there are several

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Darthy:

k

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Darthy:

no problem mounting it on the cpu?

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Juski:

it's easier than changing a normal CPU HSF, IMHO

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Darthy:

but what to use for mounting it on the mobo? do you use the same two screw-holes where these plastic-sticki-things are holding the original cpu-cooler?

[12:29:48]

Juski:

you get all the fixings you need in the zalman kit

[12:30:05]

Darthy:

cool.. how much is it?

[12:31:01]

Juski:

I paid about £7 in a clearance sale

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Juski:

if you have a small case I would _not_ recommend using that heatsink

[12:32:52]

Juski:

or if you do, just make damn sure to keep an eye on cpu temp for a while

[12:33:06]

edmicman:

Hello, all! I'm using knoppmyth...everything is coming along well. But I'm having an issue with NES emulation and fceu. If I run it from an xterm, everything works great, including my gamepads. But when I run it from within mythgame, the gamepads *don't* work. I've made sure its using the same command line options, etc. Any ideas? What else could be different?

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Juski:

edmicman: a window focus issue?

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edmicman:

maybe, it's strange.....I just checked my email and had a reply to a post I made.....I ran the fceu config as root.....would that make a difference? I'm off to try running it under a mythtv user xterm and see if that fixes it

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Darthy:

juski> i have a silverstone lc06.. its about 2–3 he high

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Juski:

Darthy: you should be okay but make sure you still keep an eye on cpu temps. I'll not be held responsible for you burning your cpu

[12:36:10]

Darthy:

man.. 50 bucks for nothing

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Darthy:

fuck.. can i give it back?

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Juski:

like I said.. you was robbed

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Darthy:

damn

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Darthy:

but thanx for the nice infos!

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Freman:

hmmm how can I add arbitrary params to my transcode process in mythdvd?

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Juski:

got lirc working again. rolled back to my original rootfs

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Juski:

that michel gondry is one hell of a director.. I'm addicted to watching his music videos

[12:50:08]

CableGuy:

how do i enable picture in picture? I have 2 working tuners in the same computer.

[12:50:29]

Darthy:

im wondering how one can sort/deactivate channels in the db? is there a tool for it?

[12:51:42]

Juski:

CableGuy: RTFM, or press M to bring up the OSD menu

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CableGuy:

i guess you could use mysql administrator with mysql query browser but if you only update half the things in the db that the myth frontend normally updates god knows what'll happen.

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CableGuy:

Juski: can you show me where in TFM if mentions picture in picture, i did look. Also looked on the menu before coming here.

[12:52:46]

Juski:

Darthy: mythweb – you can set each channel's 'visible' flag – or within mythtv-setup, or with your favourite mysql mangler

[12:53:08]

Juski:

CableGuy: try the wiki then

[12:53:19]

CableGuy:

disregard, its now working, thanks anyway.

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Darthy:

within mythtv-setup in the channel editor? how can i change channel positions there ?

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Juski:

Darthy: in the setup menu of mythfrontend you can change the ordering of channels. also see the keyboard commands section of the FM to find out how to add channels to a 'favourites' list

[12:55:29]

Darthy:

FM?

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Juski:

manual ;-)

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Darthy:

"fucking manual"? lol

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Darthy:

=FM

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Darthy:

sure sure.. rtfm

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Darthy:

i understood

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Darthy:

:)

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Freman:

http://pastebin.com/757534

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Freman:

can anyone tell me what I've done wrong to make it go so slow?

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Freman:

note: the only bit of that command I invented was -u10,2 everything else was done by mythdvd

[13:20:25]

Freman:

Is it pissed off that /video/ videos/DR_DOLITTLE_3.avi is on a NFS partition?

[13:20:36]

Freman:

err nfs share

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Darthy:

the script mkiconmap.pl asks me for a zip code? i dont know what to input there. i have astra/tv_grab_de_tv-today.

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Darthy:

mkiconmap.pl gives me "wrong postal code". what to do?

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Juski:

Darthy: we europeans need the lyngsat logo grabber. I think it might even be located in /contrib these days but if not, search the users mailing list

[13:48:56]

Freman:

hmmm nope, even whe I make it write to /DR_DOLITTLE_3.avi it's still only doing 12fps...

[13:49:06]

Freman:

it litterally takes twice as long to do the same job on the 64bit dual core running at 2.2 ghz as it does on the 32bit single core running at 1.5 ghz

[13:49:42]

Juski:

just be glad it doesn't have taste & refuse to do it at all :-P

[13:50:38]

Freman:

Well it was just as bad on underworld evolution

[13:50:47]

Freman:

there has to be a reason

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Juski:

maybe it's just not optimised properly

[13:59:00]

Freman:

"For now xvidcore isn't optimized for amd64; you need to wait for the next release."

[13:59:15]

Freman:

doh

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Freman:

http://www.exit1.org/dvdrip/doc/cluster.cipp <- this on the other hand looks fun... I wonder if I can get the cluster to encode tv shows not just dvd's

[14:00:02]

Freman:

would give me a reason to adopt all of works old p3 1gigs (10 of them)

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eidolon:

hmm. so i have my nice spiffy HDTV coming on monday. I'm replacing an s-video driven 27" POS. Problem is my card (MX4000) only has s-video out. Should I whip up newegg and order a DVI-enabled FX5200 or the like, and include a DVI<->HDMI adapter?

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loonie:

lo

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Kelerion:

eidolon: sounds like a plan to me

[14:05:39]

Kelerion:

morning Juski

[14:06:40]

Kelerion:

my non-hd capable 42" plasma had a dvi input.. so it was easy for me

[14:06:44]

eidolon:

yah, otherwise I'll have to drive the HDTV off the s-video out, which'll only be SDTV resolutions, yeth? Although, the specs on the TV say it has "Input 6: PC/VGA (D-Sub 15p + audio)"

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Freman:

EFFING WHOOOOOOOOOT – upgrade to XVid core 1.1.0 and I get 50 fps on the encoder!!!

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eidolon:

by the way, just to kvell a moment – this is the unit I just bought: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem . . . m=9733068276

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** eidolon bounces. **

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GreyFoxx:

Nifty

[14:13:05]

** eidolon is friggin ecstatic. **

[14:13:06]

Kelerion:

thats cheap

[14:13:13]

eidolon:

it's a local pickup... so i'm gonna go drive up and get it on monday.

[14:13:21]

eidolon:

Kelerion: yah, i read the page like 300 times to see what i was missing.

[14:13:41]

eidolon:

afaict... the only issues are a) no remote. and b) the comment about the antenna in being missing. 'sok, i'll be driving it totally from the myth box.

[14:13:58]

bilbravo:

anyone have a front-end on the xbox?

[14:14:25]

GreyFoxx:

eidolon: What's shipping like on something that large and heavy

[14:14:28]

GreyFoxx:

?

[14:14:39]

eidolon:

GreyFoxx: local pickup. it's about 90 miles from here. i'm just gonna go get it.

[14:14:44]

GreyFoxx:

ahhh

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GreyFoxx:

nice :)

[14:14:47]

eidolon:

otherwise it'd be about $200.

[14:15:38]

eidolon:

i realized last night, as i wa playing some old nintendo games on the old tv, that i'd be playing htem on the big screen soon. and noted that running a 320x200 game on an HDTV monitor was a bit silly. but it'll be fun :)

[14:15:41]

adante:

hi, does anybody using dvb experience crashes from (what I think) are corrupt streams (possibly caused by poor reception)?

[14:16:03]

eidolon:

anyway.... suggestions on hookup? should i just run it off the VGA d-sub? or should i go DVI -> HDMI?

[14:16:04]

Kelerion:

they have another one for sale.. exact same one.. with exact same antenna issue.. wierd

[14:16:18]

GreyFoxx:

dvi if you can

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eidolon:

Kelerion: that'st he 3rd or 4th. i got outbid on an earlier one.

[14:16:23]

GreyFoxx:

other wise vga

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eidolon:

okay, i'll start with VGA i think... that's what i have.

[14:17:35]

Kelerion:

you have a vga cable? most monitors have them hard wired

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eidolon:

if not i can getone easily.

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** eidolon is surrounded by a zillion 'outlet'-esque home video stores. **

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Kelerion:

ahh ok

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Kelerion:

the EDID stuff didn't work over dvi when I tried it.. but worked with vga.. so I let it do that then switched it to dvi

[14:20:00]

Kelerion:

my picture is still too large for the tv.. by about an inch all directions.. but I've spent months trying to get it to work and I just gave in

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eidolon:

hm. EDID?

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Juski:

bilbravo: you know fine well I have a frontend on an xbox

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Juski:

morning Kelerion

[14:20:32]

Kelerion:

edid is where the card asks the tv for it's specs.. and the tv gives it back

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eidolon:

sometime. i shall split my system into front end / back end.

[14:21:05]

bilbravo:

Juski: didn't see you around heh

[14:21:25]

bilbravo:

Juski: looking for a cheap xbox on ebay, better off just going to eb games it looks

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Juski:

yeh I wouldn't have minded another box – really expected the price to plummet by now

[14:22:21]

eidolon:

xbox won't drive hdtv for a front end, will it?

[14:22:35]

Juski:

nope

[14:22:42]

Juski:

well it'll do 720p

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Juski:

but that's not what I'd call HD ;-)

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eidolon:

heh. hey, my monitor is only 720p.

[14:22:59]

eidolon:

will be.

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eidolon:

that's a fung of a lot better than i have now :)

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eidolon:

(and why don't you call that HD?)

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bilbravo:

eidolon: true HD, some would say, is 1080p

[14:23:40]

bilbravo:

not 720p

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Juski:

because 1080 is HD IMHO. nothing else would be enough of an improvement

[14:23:48]

bilbravo:

that's my guess, but we should let him answer

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eidolon:

yah, but the cost of a 1080p setup is prohibitive still, is'nt it?

[14:24:12]

bilbravo:

Juski: yeah, you'd think one could pick up an xbox console only for around much less than $100, used

[14:24:16]

Juski:

yes it still is

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eidolon:

okay :)

[14:24:28]

Juski:

the UK has _no_ HD anyway :-P

[14:24:33]

bilbravo:

eidolon: i saw a 1080p samsung monitor (i thinkmonitor only) for under $2k

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** eidolon has fears of someone looking at the new monitor i just got and going 'DUde, that's not HD! It's garbage! Only 720p! that's like the same as a B&W TV!" **

[14:25:20]

bilbravo:

for now my 30" hdtv at 1080i is good enough, until i can get a 1080p for under $1k as well... may be quite a while though

[14:25:27]

Juski:

someone kick that spammer

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eidolon:

bilbravo: yeahbut, while I can just barely justify $700 for a 50" moniotr, no way am i going to justify $2k for what is probably a lot smaller screen :)

[14:25:31]

bilbravo:

eidolon: that's quite a stretch hehe

[14:25:53]

Juski:

wait til CRTs become more common

[14:26:00]

eidolon:

er... oh... 1080i is interlaced 1080? 1080p is progressive, ergo 'nicer'?

[14:26:05]

bilbravo:

i year you, i am not about to spend more than $1k on a tv... i got a 30" hdtv tube (better picture too imo), and it had built-in tuner and hdmi

[14:26:33]

bilbravo:

eidolon: yes, progressive is smoother, particularly with action... or say, something that scrolls quickly across the screen

[14:26:41]

Juski:

'hd ready' == will scale HD to fit

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eidolon:

*nod* this magnavox has a built in tuner and hdmi as well (as a metric buttload of other connectors), and i like the big physical screen (50"). i like showing movies to friends. The next set of upgrades will most likely be audio... i have an -old- Onkyo pro logic amp right now.

[14:26:59]

bilbravo:

my tv is not hd ready, it's hd... has built-in hd tuner, etc

[14:27:15]

bilbravo:

i get OTA hd, astounding the quality i can get with that $25 antenna :-D

[14:28:03]

Juski:

I keep comparing HDTV downloads (trailers etc) to our digital SDTV here... it's not _that_ much better

[14:28:18]

Juski:

less macroblocks, and that's about it

[14:28:35]

bilbravo:

Juski: i believe sports are the main winners when it comes to HD at the moment at least

[14:28:44]

Juski:

oh well. I don't watch them

[14:28:50]

bilbravo:

my nascar races look quite nice in HD (though some would say it's still boring lol)

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dev:

nascar is pretty boreing

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bilbravo:

to you :-)

[14:29:18]

Juski:

good sound makes a lot more difference to me

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dev:

dp/gp gt2 etc are interesting

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dev:

whats the point of a bunch of cars going around in an oval ;/

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dev:

i mean uelss they're doing 250mph

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dev:

but they're not hehe

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bilbravo:

alright i just set up mythtv, and i'm using 'mythfrontend --geometry' but the dvd still goes to full screen... is that b/c of mplayer?

[14:29:53]

dev:

yes

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Juski:

mplayer != a dvd player :-P

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bilbravo:

makes sense

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bilbravo:

Juski: but it's playing my dvds ... so it's a dvd player here lol

[14:30:41]

Juski:

you like your dvds without menus?

[14:30:53]

bilbravo:

eh, if it's something i rented and only want to watch the film, yes

[14:31:01]

Juski:

good point

[14:31:10]

bilbravo:

i don't watch many DVDs on my computer, but i wanted to set up mythdvd for the fun of it

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Juski:

prolly good for kids dvds too

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Juski:

"thou shalt sit through an hour of disney adverts"

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bilbravo:

oh gosh, that's awful... that and most newer dvds (of any variety) have that "you wouldn't steal a car, you woudln't steal a blah blah blah" piracy thing

[14:32:43]

dev:

they do?

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dev:

lol

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Juski:

I went to the cinema the other week. piracy == terrorism, the adverts claimed... :-/ then when the movie came on the sound was out of sync

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bilbravo:

Juski: that's cause of the terrorists who were i their pirating it

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Juski:

osama bin loop-duplicator?

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Juski:

terrorists == enemies of the $

[14:34:32]

adante:

hi, this a verbose log of an incident where my frontend crashed while i was scrolling through my recordings

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adante:

it appears to be repeatable

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adante:

http://adante.11011.net/pics/frontend-watchrecording-crash.txt

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adante:

can someobdy tell me what's causing this?

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adante:

(warning 300k)

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Juski:

it's broke?

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Juski:

adante: you're running SVN aren't you?

[14:36:50]

adante:

yes 10079 or so

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Juski:

check the dev mailing list.. and users too.. then read commits to see if it's been fixed already

[14:38:02]

Juski:

or just update it anyway

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adante:

right.. thank again juski

[14:39:27]

Juski:

what did I do?

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** eidolon returtns with breakfast. **

[14:40:03]

Juski:

it comes with the territory when you're using SVN.. that's why it's not called 'stable'

[14:40:06]

adante:

Juski: possess the patience to give me advice i probably should already know :P

[14:40:46]

Juski:

patience? lol. how little you know me :-P

[14:41:07]

eidolon:

and going back – autoracing rocks, man. :)

[14:41:13]

adante:

heh.. well updating svn now and hoping i'll hit a 'good' one

[14:41:20]

eidolon:

nascar is pretty dull, but I'll watch GT racing or F1 anytime :)

[14:41:57]

dev:

rolex sports car series is my favorite

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Juski:

adante: this looks to be pretty much the same problem as you had: http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /129980.html

[14:42:09]

dev:

yesterday in new york was good with the rain

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dev:

6hr race though. long time even at 1.2x

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dev:

hehe

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eidolon:

not familiar with the series. waht sort of cars? f1? gt?

[14:42:55]

dev:

dp and gt

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dev:

dual grid

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eidolon:

huh. k.

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dev:

gp2 last week in monaco was excellent

[14:43:35]

** eidolon wants someone to start filming Rally races in HD. Mwahha. sit folks down in front of that on a big screen and watch 'em ralph. **

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dev:

great crashes

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eidolon:

hah.

[14:44:06]

** Juski loves watching rallying **

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dev:

i watch everything thats "auto racing" except arca remax series, nascar, cascar, and hooters cup

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dev:

those are boreing to me

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Juski:

hooters cup? sounds intruiging

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dev:

its not

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dev:

just the sponsor ;)

[14:45:00]

Juski:

tackiness ahoy

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eidolon:

eh... i like the nascar-series ('stock car') races... mostly because the cars are pretty awesome. and on the big banked tracks (indy, florida tracks, etc) – they're pretty amazing. but a nascar race on a 1/2 mile oval? ridiculous.

[14:45:12]

dev:

they race on these tracks that are like 1/4 mile and oval. they get up to a whole 95mph

[14:45:17]

dev:

its dumb and boreing to me heh

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eidolon:

the best part is watching a nascar race on soething like watkins glen (a GT course)... "Wait wait! I have to... turn.. RIGHT? AHH!??!?"

[14:45:41]

dev:

hehe

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Juski:

95mph? but I thought your head would fall clean off if you did over 55 :-O

[14:45:49]

dev:

yeah thats where rolex sports car series was yesterday, watkins glen

[14:45:51]

dev:

nice fast track

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eidolon:

they actually kick along pretty fast on the small tracks. not 180mph, but they move along. just doesn't look like it.

[14:46:07]

dev:

Juski: ive had my a4 to 140mph :P

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eidolon:

mmm. the Glen is one of the best tracks in the world. I worked a Firehawk endurance race in the pits there one year...

[14:46:31]

** Juski once drove a hire car at 140mph without even realising **

[14:46:47]

Juski:

scary when you look at the speedo & see you're doing that much over the odds

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eidolon:

dev: best i've done is had my old Eagle Talon up to 140mph on Pocono Raceway's banked turns.

[14:46:58]

eidolon:

_ZIP!_

[14:47:02]

dev:

nice

[14:47:03]

Juski:

instant ban if I'd have been caught

[14:47:04]

dev:

mine was on the turnpike

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dev:

evading the cops

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eidolon:

hah.

[14:47:09]

dev:

but thats just as cool

[14:47:10]

dev:

hehe

[14:47:30]

eidolon:

take your A4 out to one of the club races up at Lime Rock. you'll get a real feel for what it can do.

[14:47:36]

dev:

i'll never do that again thats for sure.

[14:48:03]

dev:

i want to check out the scca races in this area

[14:48:04]

eidolon:

there's -nothing- like taking your daily drive drifting around that downhill right hand sweeper at lime rock, exiting on to the straight at about 110.

[14:48:06]

eidolon:

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

[14:48:48]

eidolon:

anyway. this is #mythtv-users , not #pimp_my_ride

[14:49:19]

dev:

my a4's going into the shop for stage2 clutch, lightweight flywheel, crank pulley, timing belt and waterpump

[14:49:29]

dev:

the last 2 things dont matter, but the car should be pretty intesresing after that

[14:49:40]

dev:

june 14th i drive it down to PA then take the train home

[14:49:57]

bilbravo:

who has an a4?

[14:50:01]

eidolon:

cool... have you upgraded your calipers and brake lines? should also look at a ported turbo and new exhaust.

[14:50:01]

dev:

<--

[14:50:07]

dev:

2001 a4 1.8tqm

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bilbravo:

b5?

[14:50:10]

dev:

yup

[14:50:12]

bilbravo:

i have an '01, 2.8

[14:50:16]

bilbravo:

obviously i'm not a tuner :-D

[14:50:20]

dev:

hehe

[14:50:22]

bilbravo:

can't afford a supercharger for it

[14:50:25]

Juski:

you gas-guzzlers will have to learn

[14:50:30]

eidolon:

during the DotCom Fun, this was my ride: http://www.homeport.org/~dbs/300zx/

[14:50:37]

** Juski is becoming a hippy **

[14:50:42]

** eidolon misses it terribly. had to sell it after half the companies i was working for went out of business. **

[14:50:48]

eidolon:

Juski: tomorrow we pick up our Prius :)

[14:50:55]

bilbravo:

dev: do you frequent audiworld forums?

[14:50:58]

dev:

eidolon: i havent done my calipers yet, but i am looking at a k04 turbo. just waiting to blow mine

[14:51:04]

dev:

Juski: my a4 gets 32mpg on highway :)

[14:51:13]

dev:

bilbravo: yup, and #audiworld on efnet

[14:51:14]

dev:

hehe

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eidolon:

dev: dude, don't wait til yours dies.

[14:51:23]

bilbravo:

is this your first timing belt change?

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dhuv:

hello all

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dev:

bilbravo: yup, im at 65k

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eidolon:

when a turbo goes, if it fragments, you'll have little impeller pieces flying into your intake manifold.

[14:51:38]

Juski:

lunchytime

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bilbravo:

i changed mine at 65ish as well

[14:51:53]

dhuv:

I am having problems adding a lineup to zap2it and getting MythTV to see the changes

[14:51:54]

bilbravo:

did it myself though, quite the experience heh

[14:52:01]

eidolon:

i snapped my blet on my eclipse at 68k :(

[14:52:02]

dev:

it might be easier on 2.8

[14:52:12]

bilbravo:

about the same from what i can tell

[14:52:13]

dev:

i know on 1.8t its a freaking nightmare. longitudally mounted engine

[14:52:15]

eidolon:

bilbravo: brave man.

[14:52:16]

dhuv:

is there a how to which describes what needs to be done

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** Coume found the perfect wifi pci card for the Pundit :) **

[14:52:24]

bilbravo:

same procedure to remove the front-end, etc

[14:52:28]

dev:

damn

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dev:

thats why im getting it done. such a bitch

[14:52:45]

bilbravo:

eidolon: i come from a family of mechanics

[14:52:51]

eidolon:

bilbravo: rockin.

[14:52:56]

bilbravo:

yeah it was a pain, but it saved me $800 heh

[14:53:02]

bilbravo:

that's worth 7 hours of my life

[14:53:07]

eidolon:

i know 'in my brain' how to do it. but i don't have the gear or patience for it. alas :)

[14:53:15]

dev:

i like working on my cars, but since i herniated 2 discs in my back skating its real tough to do any serious work on a car

[14:53:21]

eidolon:

yow.

[14:53:30]

bilbravo:

dev: do you have pics of your car?

[14:53:43]

dev:

unless im pilled up. but then i get scared im going to forget something

[14:53:55]

dev:

only when i first bought it, before suspension

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bilbravo:

oh

[14:54:26]

bilbravo:

my car is strictly stock, if i did do anything to this one it would only be the supercharger, although i wouldn't mind doing the suspension on it

[14:55:34]

dev:

mine has h&r sport springs, billstein sport shocks, and giac chip.

[14:55:59]

bilbravo:

i have a friend who until about a month ago had an '00 s4, and he got it chipped... wowee

[14:56:13]

bilbravo:

i've not ridden in the 1.8t with a chip, but i hear it's quite a big change

[14:56:25]

dev:

its going in for the clutch and flywheel, after that will be apr 2.5inch cat back w/ downpipe exhaust, audi tt fuel injectors, frontmount intercooler and k04 turbo, then upgrade to pc16 program

[14:56:31]

dev:

should finish the car up at around 260hp

[14:56:38]

dev:

and about 280–300lbs of torque

[14:56:38]

dev:

hehe

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bilbravo:

not bad

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dev:

yeah its a huge change

[14:57:12]

bilbravo:

considering waht the cars weigh, i think 170/190hp for these cars is grossly underrated

[14:57:25]

dev:

car went from 170hp/160lbs of torque to 215hp/247lbs of torque

[14:57:26]

dev:

thats huge

[14:57:44]

bilbravo:

yes, 45 hp is huge ;-)

[14:57:53]

dev:

for 500$ thats a nice upgrade

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dev:

and still getting 32mpg on the highway

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dev:

hedheh

[14:58:38]

dev:

unless i give it gas, of course. if its in boost it'll be like 17mpg anywhere to 7 or 8mpg hehe

[14:59:16]

bilbravo:

don't you hate that instantaneous mileage on the computer? makes me sad sometimes if i'm looking at it

[14:59:24]

dev:

hehe yeah

[14:59:37]

dev:

its pretty accurate too. to within .5mpg at least

[14:59:48]

** eidolon gets off the phone with Mom. **

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dev:

did the avg mpg manually a couple of times after getting chipped to make sure it was still accurage

[14:59:53]

dev:

accurate

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eidolon:

here'st he funny thing about the Audi's. I like 'em a lot – the S4 is an amazingly cool piece of machinery. but i think they assume everyone is german-shaped. I'm 6'6" and i sat in an AllRoad for about 1/2 hour trying to find a comfortable position, and never succeeded.

[15:00:49]

eidolon:

which is funny, because a few years later I bought a Golf TDI, and it was insanely comfortable.

[15:01:14]

dev:

hehe

[15:01:39]

dev:

id like to eventually throw out my seats and get b5 s4 seats

[15:01:46]

dev:

the b5 leatherette seats suck

[15:01:56]

bilbravo:

yeah i like my leather seats in the 2.8

[15:02:05]

dev:

feels like im holding on to the steering wheel for dear life when im really hitting the corners

[15:02:09]

bilbravo:

i like the seats in the s4 better though

[15:02:12]

dev:

not good lateral support

[15:02:51]

eidolon:

i also fit in my Z okay, but it was like a socket. *SCHLUMP* and i was in that position. not a lot of extra space :)

[15:02:57]

dev:

one thing thats nice about the the audi's is that they're kind of sleeper cars

[15:03:10]

dev:

they're quick as hell, especially with quattro off the line.. and when you race things like mustangs, they dont expect it

[15:03:31]

dev:

i raced a gt cobra once that i completely killed off the line, up to mid, but then 75+ he pulled away

[15:03:40]

dev:

i could just see the look on his face.. "what the fuck was that"

[15:03:41]

bilbravo:

yeah the top end isn't the best

[15:03:45]

eidolon:

heh. back in the day my Eclipse would chase the 5.0 mustangs. and take 'em 50% of the time. pissed the Big Dumb Iron guys off a lot.

[15:03:50]

eidolon:

"4 CYLINDERS, ASSHOLE"

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dev:

yeah

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bilbravo:

before the a4, i had an '89 80... that thing was geared so low

[15:04:53]

bilbravo:

automatic of course, it would pull 3200mph going 55mph in the final drive

[15:05:01]

bilbravo:

rpm rather, not mph lol

[15:05:09]

dev:

hehe

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dev:

spaceship!

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dev:

i wish my a4 had 6 gears though

[15:05:41]

bilbravo:

uh huh

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dev:

biggest thing i hate now-a-days about my car, is the sidemount ic

[15:06:14]

dev:

after a while if beating on the car, it falls on its face

[15:06:17]

dev:

heh

[15:06:28]

bilbravo:

the biggest thing i hate abou tit is the airbag light comes on periodically and i clear it with the vagcom unit

[15:06:35]

bilbravo:

it's just because of a loose connector under the seat

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dev:

sometimes i'll be at the end of a 1.5hr drive, and someone will want to race.. i wish i could say "hey, give me a few minutes to cool my intercooler because my car has nothing right now"

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dev:

i swear it feels like the turbo is gone sometimes

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dev:

chip with its increased boost is just killing the tiny little thing

[15:07:42]

ASTX813:

Dude, when did we turn into a rice forum?

[15:08:05]

dev:

lol.. big difference between rice and actually getting something out off your car

[15:08:16]

eidolon:

A4/S4 != Riceboy cars :)

[15:08:22]

dev:

170hp/160lbs -> 215hp/247lbs is rice?

[15:08:58]

eidolon:

I always argue with folsk about my 300zx. "NOT A RICECAR! 360-ish HP, and NO COFFEECAN EXHAUST!"

[15:09:01]

gardengnome:

ah, car talk again :) i'Ve just spent another three hours cleaning the interior of mine. almost finished now :)

[15:09:15]

dev:

eidoloan: yeah exactly

[15:09:34]

dev:

im tossing a 2.5inch downpipe->catback exhaust on mine, but thats to spool up the turbo faster

[15:09:38]

dev:

it wont be any louder overall lol

[15:09:46]

eidolon:

http://www.homeport.org/~dbs/300zx/20000820--025.jpg <-- i mean, cmon. tha'ts not a riceboy car. :)

[15:09:58]

dev:

very nice

[15:10:04]

eidolon:

dev: mandrel bends and all?

[15:10:30]

dev:

im not making it myself, apr's kit

[15:10:37]

dev:

im not original, i suck

[15:10:40]

dev:

i just like to drive ;)

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dev:

hehe

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eidolon:

heh

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gardengnome:

nice rims on that one

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dev:

looks like he has winter tires on it

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eidolon:

thanks. unfortunately, i had to sell it. i was -super- pleased with the big overhaul Rich's did on the interiod.

[15:11:12]

eidolon:

nope, winter it lived in a garage.

[15:11:21]

dev:

that car would be tough in winter hehe

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eidolon:

those tires spun like glass on even 1" of snow.

[15:11:34]

dev:

mine has np

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dev:

hehe

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bilbravo:

bbl

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dev:

tires spin easily but at least the torsen diff doesnt let things be completely stupide

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eidolon:

http://www.homeport.org/~dbs/300zx/Mvc-307f.jpg <-- Before

[15:12:13]

eidolon:

http://www.homeport.org/~dbs/300zx/ze-032.jpg <-- After

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dev:

you fabricate that yourself?

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dev:

looks nice

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dev:

needed a shortthrow shifter on that tho

[15:13:40]

eidolon:

plus a big honkin amp and stealth woofer in the rear. i always went "Damn. Only 20yr old backstreet kids need woofers in their car. What the hell." then i read some reviews, got the stealthbox, and the wattage and tuning... and went "whoah. Okay, I get it. I'm not trying to shake the fillings out of someone next to me at at raffic like. I'm kicking up the bass... this is great"

[15:13:51]

eidolon:

eh, the 300zx has a very short throw on the pistol grip. i never had problems.

[15:13:58]

dev:

nice

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dev:

like im not into making alot of nice. my a4 has the bose 8speaker system and an 8inch sub in the rear under the rear seats.. sounds plenty good

[15:14:29]

eidolon:

no, i didn't do the fab. Rich's Cartunes did all the work. I designed it though. i researched allt hew parts, purchased them – droped the whole thing off at Richs with a trunkful of cardboard and about 6 pages of directions and suggestions :)

[15:14:55]

dev:

not into making alot of noise, drr

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eidolon:

http://www.homeport.org/~dbs/300zx/ze-036.jpg <-- that's the amp and the stealthbox. (the box is under the left side of the trunk – it's designed to be hidden :)

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dev:

clean looking

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eidolon:

yeah, that stock system (the 8speaker bose) is good... the stock bose system with the 300z was 'good', but only good in 1995.

[15:16:21]

dev:

yeah

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dev:

Ayatollah Ali Khameni, Iran's supreme leader, today warned the United States that any "misbehavior" directed at Iran would serve to disrupt Gulf energy shipments.

[15:17:03]

dev:

thats nice

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dev:

should turn that country into a glass pond ;/

[15:17:20]

dev:

so annoying

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thouters:

hi, I'm thinking of making a mythtv setup, with backend and frondend connected via wifi, for that reason I'm wondering what amount of traffic this streaming generates

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thouters:

does mythv stream the mpeg2 data from the encoder over the net, or does it transcode it to mpeg4 first, or is it possible to have it transcode

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mattk4k:

Hi all – is anyone available to help me with a TV Tuner problem? I've got MythTV all installed, but I can't get it to recognise my TV Tuner Card (Hauppauge WinTV Go)

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Dagmar:

Did you compile the bt8x8 drivers in your kernel like you were supposed to?

[16:05:29]

Dagmar:

http://icculus.org/~jcspray/wintv_cx88.html

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mattk4k:

I have no idea – I'm pretty new to Linux

[16:05:40]

mattk4k:

OK, I'll have a look at that page

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Dagmar:

Then worry about the driver first

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mattk4k:

I'm running the 2.6.10–1771_FC2 kernel according to uname

[16:06:22]

Dagmar:

FYI: MythTV is not a newbie-friendly task

[16:06:35]

mattk4k:

So I'm finding

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mattk4k:

I've got MythTV itself working – i.e. DVDs and stuff

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mattk4k:

Just not for TV

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Dagmar:

I'd also suggest you upgrade to FC5

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mattk4k:

Scarily, I downloaded FC5

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mattk4k:

i did "yum upgrade"

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mattk4k:

and it came back with that

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mattk4k:

Has it "downgraded" me or something?

[16:08:40]

mattk4k:

no, ignore me, hang on

[16:09:04]

mattk4k:

I'm ssh-ing through to get on IRC and did uname on that terminal by mistake

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mattk4k:

I'm actually running kernel 2.6.16–1.2122_FC5

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mattk4k:

I've checked and my TV Tuner card is using the BT878 chip, not the Conexant one

[16:12:47]

mattk4k:

How do I install xawtv? I'm having real issues with it. Annoyingly it's not available through yum

[16:16:15]

mattk4k:

dmesg seems to be returning a lot of useful info about my TV card

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GreyFoxx:

mattk4k: FYI conexant makes BT chips :)

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GreyFoxx:

they bought BrookTree many years ago :)

[16:22:14]

mattk4k:

I think I've got it to work

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mattk4k:

Now I need to work out how to make MythTV recognise that my tuner is analogue and not try to give me millions of digital channels

[16:24:36]

dev:

hrm i wonder why i cant find any tickets for this memory cache problem

[16:24:41]

dev:

i cant be the only one seeing this oddity

[16:25:38]

dev:

while watching a recording a remote frontend, used memory cache on the backend steadily climbs until it maxes out memory... if the recording is deleted immediately following watching it, the cache is cleared the memory is freed

[16:25:41]

dev:

if the recording is not deleted

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dev:

the cache is not freed for some time

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dev:

0.19-fixes

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dev:

9878 to be exact

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janneg:

dev: the system cache? ie what you see in top as cache?

[16:29:47]

dev:

vmstat

[16:29:49]

dev:

but yeah

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dev:

system cache

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janneg:

it doesn't matter. it will be freed immediately if some application needs the memory or if the cached file is deleted

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dev:

i guess.. but its kind of sloppy

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roz:

How can i get into mythtv to change the DB information. I changed up my network... and mythtv just sits there and tries to connect to the DB

[16:33:19]

roz:

i got it...

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roz:

i was looking in /etc/mythtv

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roz:

its .mythtv/

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ASTX813:

what's the mythtv user default password

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roz:

myth, mythuser, mythtv?

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ASTX813:

none of the above

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roz:

no password?

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roz:

just try enter

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mattk4k:

Right, I've got it working now – it plays live TV quite nicely (I was just setting it up wrong in MythTV setup)

[16:42:21]

mattk4k:

However, it can't seem to change channel....what have I missed?

[16:42:38]

roz:

mattk4k: probably the channel editor

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roz:

mattk4k: if you look at the program guide, does it list channels?

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mattk4k:

Yes

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mattk4k:

All channels are listed, both in mythtv-setup and within mythfrontend

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roz:

what happens when you hit up or down?

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mattk4k:

mythfrontend has even worked out the channel names

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mattk4k:

When I hit up or down, it lets me view the channels on the OSD, but I can't change to them

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roz:

ummm type in a channel number and hit enter

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roz:

there is like a browse mode to "see whats on" you might be stuck in that

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mattk4k:

that would make sense – it says Browsing at the top

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roz:

so if you type a number in and press enter does it work?

[16:46:11]

mattk4k:

I just closed mythfrontend and when I open it up again, it won't let me go to live TV

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roz:

try restarting the backend

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mattk4k:

Just have, not working

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mattk4k:

Let me just try something

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roz:

does it say all inputs are in use?

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mattk4k:

Hang on, I've killed MySQL by mistake

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mattk4k:

brb

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roz:

it seems that my mythtv is recording random things...

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isaac_:

Hey I'm not getting information for some of the channels in the program guide. Can somone help?

[16:58:25]

isaac_:

channel 2 , 11 to name a few.

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roz:

the information may not be available isaac_

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isaac_:

for serveral channels tho

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isaac_:

that common?

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roz:

not where I am... never had it happen

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isaac_:

Perhaps my settings somewhere

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mattk4k:

Super – I can change channel now

[17:00:06]

mattk4k:

But I have to use the channel numbers (i.e. 25, 26, 28, etc) rather than 1,2,3,4,5

[17:00:18]

mattk4k:

Any thoughts?

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roz:

mattk4k: there may be a setting somewhere

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roz:

when you're uusing up /down

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roz:

you can press enter

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roz:

you're in Browse Mode

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isaac_:

Hey why do some channels have the -1 after them? For instance theres channel 4 and channel 4–1

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Esotericisms:

what is the best way to reset a show so it starts recording all episodes that is has recorded in the past?

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GreyFoxx:

Esotericisms: Clear the history of all recordings of the show

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isaac_:

anyone know?

[17:02:31]

roz:

isaac_: are you using HD?

[17:03:47]

isaac_:

Nope.

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roz:

i would go clear out all your channels

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roz:

and get them again

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roz:

that might fix everything

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isaac_:

k

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mattk4k:

I'm getting this error when I try to rip a DVD using mythdvd:

[17:06:34]

mattk4k:

18:05:36: bad destination directory in job request: job dvd 1 2 -1 0 -1 /var/lib64/mythvideo/COLLATERAL_DISC1_EUROPE_NORTH

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roz:

mattk4k: i've never tried ripping dvds with myth

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isaac_:

roz, Is there a way to do that via mythfilldatabase?

[17:10:01]

roz:

run mythsetup

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roz:

and clear the channel infornmation

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roz:

and reset it up

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roz:

then runn mythfilldatabase

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isaac_:

Do I stop the backend first?

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roz:

yeah thats prolly a good idea

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isaac_:

Hmm I think my clock wasn't set to local. I wonder if that might of been a problem for channel info.

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roz:

is there any way to have mythtv not disable DPMS

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Krazylegz:

Beirdo: You around?

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Esotericisms:

how do you reset the history of a scheduled recording?

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mattk4k:

Is it right that mythfrontend should be using about 300MB of RAM?

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mattk4k:

and similar for mythbackend?

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Esotericisms:

yeah

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mattk4k:

Does it get much higher than that? I've only got 1GB of RAM

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AngryElf:

guys i'm having trouble connecting to mysql from a remote host.....mysql -h serverHost -u root -p ...the route to serverHost is fine, any ideas?

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Esotericisms:

mattk4k, what command are you using to determine memory usage?

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Esotericisms:

I only have 512 mb of ram and my machine works just fine ... I only have 30 – 60 MB free at any given time ..

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mattk4k:

I used KDE System Guard

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mattk4k:

Why?

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JimBob:

AngryElf – what error does it give?

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AngryElf:

ERROR 2003 (HY000): Can't connect to MySQL server on 'zeus' (111)

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AngryElf:

JimBob, ^

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janneg:

it's not easy to determine the real memory usage.

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mattk4k:

top reports similar

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janneg:

mattk4k: your looking at virtual?

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mattk4k:

I didn't think I was

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janneg:

that's by now means real memory usage.

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JimBob:

sorry AngryElf, don't know

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AngryElf:

thanx tho

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janneg:

mattk4k: if your swap isn't used, RES in top gives a good measure how much memory the application uses

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highway1:

Any opinions on what the best FTA DVB-S card to use with myth is?

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metalac:

hey guys

[18:03:56]

metalac:

i keep geting an error that says QMYSQL3 driver is not loaded

[18:03:59]

metalac:

any clue what's up?

[18:04:07]

metalac:

i get that when i run mythtv-setup

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dev:

metalac: qt compiled with mysql?

[18:05:04]

metalac:

yes it is

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dev:

hrm. doesnt sound like it

[18:06:39]

metalac:

well i can always recompile it but it will take a while

[18:06:43]

metalac:

is there a way to check?

[18:06:48]

metalac:

maybe mythtv needs to recompile

[18:07:11]

dev:

make sure qt is compiled with mysql support

[18:07:25]

metalac:

ok i found something

[18:07:32]

metalac:

f frontend complains about QMYSQL3 driver not loaded make sure the qt library that mythtv is using has mysql support. I had added the use flag mysql and recompiled qt. However I had several versions of qt and mythtv was using an older version rather then the version emerge qt had picked up by default.

[18:07:47]

metalac:

anyway to check which version of QT is used by mythtv?

[18:08:03]

dev:

how many versions do you have installed? :)

[18:08:42]

dev:

ldd mythfrontend will give you an idea, grep for qt

[18:09:33]

metalac:

sems like it could be a utf8 issue

[18:11:37]

dev:

for a driver not loaded error?

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metalac:

and is mythtv compatible with qt4?

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highway1:

I'm meeting with a couple congressmen next week about some stuff for my job... I think i'm going to mention my disgust for the DMCA.. anyone have any good materials that i can pass on to them?

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Juski:

metalac: qt3 only

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metalac:

oh that's why

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ivor:

highway1: I'm sure FSF and EFF have plenty of articles on their sites.

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Juski:

maybe point them to www.heystopbeingsodamngreedy.com

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Juski:

how's it going today ivor?

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Juski:

ooo this looks interesting: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1919

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iresprite:

hey, all.

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ivor:

Juski: not bad. playing with my tv code today.

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Juski:

ivor: I thought that was all done now

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ivor:

rofl

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xris:

heh. only 3.9G of recorded shows on my mythbox now.

[18:42:22]

Juski:

I have precisely 0G of recorded shows on my demo box

[18:44:09]

ivor:

Juski: hmm, doesn't sound too exciting.

[18:44:40]

marmoset:

Anyone ever have recordings that don't stop when they're supposed to? It's only happened on my HD card, but it's happened a few times. a 1 hour show last night kept recording for 4 hours and 36 minutes ;) I just checked the guide data and it did only go on for an hour.

[18:45:22]

iresprite:

It was a scheduled recording?

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marmoset:

yeah

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iresprite:

Hm.

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marmoset:

hmm, I think it might have something to do with automatic transcoding

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xris:

hmm, I do like this new eta estimation in nuvexport...

[18:48:20]

xris:

Juski: that makes for a pretty lame demo

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marmoset:

like if there's a show that's autotranscoding, it won't change around recording status until that autotranscoding thread is done

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iresprite:

That's really odd.

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ivor:

has anyone written/know of a gui remote control app that uses the telnet interface?

[18:49:20]

marmoset:

not sure, it just seems to be around events like that in the logs

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** iresprite nods. **

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Juski:

xris: I know. I just put 0.19-fixes back on the box – on a fresh hdd

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iresprite:

marmoset: Can't think of anything offhand that would cause that. Have you confirmed that this only occurs when there's autotranscoding involved?

[18:52:15]

iresprite:

Incidentally, can anyone tell me why I might be getting an iso file with mythburn but no burnded dvd?

[18:52:26]

marmoset:

iresprite: nope, I'll probably try that next. finally got HD working the other day, and I'm putting it through all the paces for a week or two before I actually add it in to my real myth machine

[18:53:19]

iresprite:

marmoset: Ah. Fair enough. So it's restricted to your HD machine. Man.

[18:53:28]

Juski:

I really can't be bothered with this anymore

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ivor:

Juski: get a beer.

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marmoset:

iresprite: I've never seen it happen on my SD stuff, yeah. this is completely different hardware too, so all bets are kinda off, but I have seen it happen a few times and it seems random ;)

[18:54:37]

Juski:

oh wait.. if I turn off EIT collection....

[18:54:58]

iresprite:

marmoset: Heh. Yeah, with an all new setup, you're going to be hammering at the unknowns for a while... :)

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iresprite:

I just upgraded my box to Dapper. Spent half of yesterday getting things back to working order. My kernel's at 2.6.15 now, and I recall hearing about some issues with that.

[18:58:59]

iresprite:

I was also thinking of upgrading myth to a svn version, but decided that since the thehunter.ws packages are working for me, why break things even further...

[19:00:49]

iresprite:

Right now I'm just dealing with two problems: mythburn, and a bizqarre issue where zsnes won't respond to the keyboard in mythtv... but in gnome, zsnes responds just fine.

[19:00:54]

Juski:

ooo disable realtime priority & playback works just fine

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iresprite:

Juski: what are you using for realtime priority?

[19:01:57]

marmoset:

xris: your work site is really slow right now, like hard to use slow :)

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SpicyChronos:

when using ivtv-tune, my system doesn't seem to change the channel, when mplayer is being used to troubleshoot my card

[19:03:37]

Juski:

iresprite: dunno. that's the default – i.e. enabled – and AFAIK I have nothing to use for it

[19:03:46]

Juski:

never got round to that part

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iresprite:

Oh. I was just reading up o the different ways to get realtime prioriy (I'm using rlimits now) and was wondering if people could discern a difference.

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Juski:

where were you reading that?

[19:05:09]

awbassett:

Anyone interested in buying a PVR-350 (used) or an hd-3000 (new)

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iresprite:

juski: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO.html#toc5.4

[19:06:18]

iresprite:

Scroll down a bit to "Enabling real-time scheduling..."

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SpicyChronos:

Hi, I still cannot get my PVR-150 to tune in any channel. It's not charter cable, they are using standard frequencies for the chanels. I've tired us-cable, us-cable-hrc, etc. and still cannot get a channel to show, I just get statc. card works under windows with wintv2000

[19:07:42]

Juski:

iresprite: it all just goes (woosh) over my head

[19:07:50]

** Juski calls it a day **

[19:07:57]

iresprite:

Heh.

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Juski:

thanks anyway

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iresprite:

SpicyChronos: do you have ivtvctl in place?

[19:08:33]

SpicyChronos:

yes. i've used that as well to try things too.

[19:08:53]

SpicyChronos:

i've made sure to set to ntsc, etc..

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iresprite:

Is your pvr-150 connected to the wall or a set top box?

[19:09:05]

SpicyChronos:

to the cable directly.

[19:09:15]

SpicyChronos:

I get s-video if I switch to that input.

[19:09:26]

iresprite:

What do you mean?

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SpicyChronos:

you can change the video input of video0 from tuner to s-video, etc.. with ivtvctrl

[19:10:06]

iresprite:

ah. but you're getting static no matter what input you use, correct?

[19:10:35]

iresprite:

and you've done cat /dev/video0 after switching to each available input with ivtvctl?

[19:10:36]

SpicyChronos:

correct. just static with the tuner.

[19:10:52]

SpicyChronos:

i've used mplayer, not cat.

[19:11:51]

octavious:

SpicyChronos: which kernel version are you using, and also which ivtv version?

[19:12:27]

SpicyChronos:

kernel is at 2.6.16–1.2111_FC4, and ivtv is 0.6.2

[19:14:31]

iresprite:

What I did when I was having issues was ivtvctl -p [input I was testing] and then did cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg

[19:14:57]

iresprite:

Wasn't there something about the names of the inputs changing?

[19:15:01]

iresprite:

in ivtv?

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SpicyChronos:

I dunno. i'm such a newb to all this

[19:17:07]

iresprite:

But you've tested each of the inputs the way I've described, right?

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SpicyChronos:

I've tried the s-video input from a DVD source and I get a picture, when I use the tuner, all I get is statc

[19:18:52]

iresprite:

And how are you getting s-video from the cable?

[19:19:29]

SpicyChronos:

not from cable. from a DVD source. I am getting tuner from a splitter from the cable. card works in Windows.

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iresprite:

Oh. Okay. I thought you were saying you tested the same input (s-video) and while the DVD input showed up in mplayer the cable s-video input didn't.

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SpicyChronos:

ivtvctrl is reporting that tuner 1 is set for NTSC, type 1, audioset 7, tuner 0, and status 0, if that helps

[19:23:25]

iresprite:

Hmm.

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iresprite:

Other than the method I mentioned before, I'm not sure what else to tell you. I'm not familiar with ivtv .62 and kernel 2.6.16, I'm afraid.

[19:25:03]

SpicyChronos:

no problem, i'm still going to tinker with it.

[19:27:26]

SpicyChronos:

how do I set all the settings to defaults using ivtvctl?

[19:27:43]

SpicyChronos:

because I think I messed up one or two playing around.

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SpicyChronos:

and one other thing, how do I set up xwindow to output to the tv-out of my radeon 9000 card?

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xris:

SpicyChronos: you need to install the binary driver from ati

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SpicyChronos:

okay, i'll be right back...

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sid:

Can you skip television commercials with MythTV?

[19:43:27]

RaYmAn-Bx:

both yes and no..I've never managed to get it to actually detect adverts correctly on Danish channels, but it works for people in other countries

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marmoset:

sid: you can always skip manually, like tivo, but commercial flagging tries to figure out where they are automatically. whether or not the automated stuff works for you depends on a lot of variables (works great for me most of the time, there's a few channels/shows that it doesn't handle well)

[19:45:42]

octavious:

sid: AFAIK, commercial skipping will only happen to shows that you record

[19:47:23]

sid:

Does MythTV get letters from television networks threatening lawsuits and such...because of DMCA?

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marmoset:

dmca has nothing to do with commercials ;)

[19:48:03]

sid:

sure it does

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iresprite:

In what manner?

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sid:

The act criminalizes production and dissemination of technology that can circumvent measures taken to protect copyright, not merely infringement of copyright itself, and heightens the penalties for copyright infringement on the Internet.

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sid:

DMCA has to do with copyright

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sid:

A television show can be copyrighted...in it's entirety.

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sid:

ie, the whole hour. Including the commercials.

[19:51:26]

sid:

MythTV can be used to circumvent measures taken to protect copyright.

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iresprite:

Doesn't work that way.

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sid:

eh, This is from my non-lawyer perspective...But I'm sure the Television network lawyers would do a much better job then me.

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sid:

I also see a half a dosen other commercial tivo clones since the DMCA was enacted that took out commercials

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sid:

And they got sued into chapter 11

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iresprite:

Does anyone here have any experience with mythburn?

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sid:

Maybe it _shouldn't_ work that way..but what I've seen it does.

[19:53:56]

iresprite:

I haven't seen that myself, and from what I can tell, mythtv doesn't run that risk.

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meisterwinte1:

hi

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iresprite:

hiya.

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meisterwinte1:

can anyone help my with lirc on mythtv

[19:55:16]

meisterwinte1:

?

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psofa:

anyone knows of a xmltv viewer? i want to validate that my custom grabber works

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octavious:

meisterwinte1: ask, someone maybe able to help

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octavious:

meisterwinte1: just ask your question :P

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meisterwinte1:

ok, lirc runs, but it dont work with mythtv

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hi2:

hey is there a way to have an episode limit such that newer episodes overwrite the older ones

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meisterwinte1:

i have copy a lircrc.conf in ./mythtv

[20:00:18]

hi2:

so if the episode limit is 2, i always have the two latest recordings

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octavious:

meisterwinte1: was mythtv compiled with lirc support?

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octavious:

meisterwinte1: also, IIRC, it should be named ~/.mythtv/lircrc

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hi2:

anyone know?

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meisterwinte1:

yes, the config is in ~/.mythtv/lircrc. i dont know if it is compield with lirc support, i have used a deb package. but with ixevent & it dont works too

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meisterwinte1:

how can i see if its compieled with lirc support

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jd86:

I have a totally like idea that won't work but i'm going to try anyway. anyone here familiar with alsa lirc?

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meisterwinte1:

...

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meisterwinte1:

hmm

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meisterwinte1:

my remote doesnt work in mythtv, but in irw it worhs

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psofa:

anyone here familiar with how mythtv and xmltv grabbers act together?

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psofa:

i have written a custom grabber in bash and id like to use it with myth

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bengoodger:

I have checked, and this is not in the FAQ: is the british digital television system DVB?

[20:57:29]

scopeuk:

yes

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hi2:

hey is there a way to have an episode limit such that newer episodes overwrite the older ones (so i can have say the latest news)

[20:57:36]

scopeuk:

dvb-a == anntena

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scopeuk:

dvd-c == cable

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scopeuk:

dvb-c*

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scopeuk:

dvb-s == satalite

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Eureka:

where is the Certificate codes for mythtv?

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Juski:

scopeuk: wtf are you talking about?

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Juski:

dvb-t is over the air DVB == freeview

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Juski:

bengoodger: british digital telly is DVB-T, PAL mpeg2 ;-)

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Juski:

that's Freeview btw

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bengoodger:

yeah

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Eureka:

i want to sign up for an account with zap2lab, but i can't seem to find the Certificate codes

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Freman:

mythtv shouldn't need certification, just the card

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** bengoodger is relieved that this channel is not filled with morons yelling RTFM. **

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scopeuk:

Juski oops me tired

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scopeuk:

sorry

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Eureka:

Freman, but in the sign up sheet there is Certificate codes requirement

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dev:

Eureka: its in the docs on mythtv.org

[21:00:31]

dev:

heh

[21:00:39]

dev:

guess ya havent read the docs!

[21:00:42]

dev:

;)

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Juski:

bengoodger: it can be, just not tonight :-P

[21:01:29]

bengoodger:

next question: can I purchase a premade, small, quiet mythfrontend box capable of decoding DVB-T and with a DVD drive? and how much would it cost me?

[21:01:29]

Juski:

it's more moronic not to RTFM ;-)

[21:01:49]

Freman:

I want to try and make mythtv use distributed transcoding... I got 2 machines that are 90% idle, and the mythbox, would be so good to hand the transcoding of shows and dvd's off to the other 2 machines

[21:01:51]

bengoodger:

:) true...

[21:01:55]

Eureka:

dev, you know the link, i'm browsing it now, can't find it still

[21:01:58]

Juski:

bengoodger: why? it's not that hard. in any case you can't – at least not in the UK – and anyway not for sensible money

[21:02:13]

dev:

Eureka: no i dont. sorry. its in there though

[21:02:37]

Freman:

The correct RTFM come back is "I would gladly RTFM if someone would kindly point out the FM to R"

[21:03:02]

bengoodger:

mm.

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bengoodger:

juski, laziness and uncertainty of competence

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Juski:

bengoodger: lol. and when you break it? how will you know how to fix it?

[21:04:16]

bengoodger:

juski, the plan is to not break it

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dev:

bengoodger: sounds like you ought to buy a tivo or something

[21:04:27]

dev:

mythtv is more, erm, 'manual'

[21:04:35]

bengoodger:

dev, juski: not the software, the hardware

[21:04:45]

Juski:

the only tivos you can buy in the UK are 2nd hand

[21:05:01]

Juski:

and standalone recorders are very very very very very sucky

[21:05:01]

dev:

is there anything else then?

[21:05:18]

bengoodger:

I'm well aware of what I'll need to do to get the software running, and I should be ok with that; but the hardware is another matter

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bengoodger:

dev, not much

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Juski:

hardware is a doddle

[21:05:33]

Juski:

couple of £40 dvb-t tuner cards

[21:05:47]

bengoodger:

juski, it's not what I need either

[21:05:48]

Juski:

nvidia graphics card, cpu, motherboard.. hdd...

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bengoodger:

this is for a mythfrontend

[21:06:05]

Juski:

oh – don't you have much experience building computers?

[21:06:30]

Juski:

I dunno about anyone else but I enjoy it, and any mistakes make for good learning ;-)

[21:06:31]

bengoodger:

none whatsoever. the most advanced thing I've done is replace the case on my current one

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Juski:

replace the case? so you've unplugged & plugged cards & everything in before then?

[21:07:12]

Juski:

that's all the process involves. plug that into there, plug the other into there... tada

[21:07:53]

bengoodger:

I'm completely comfortable with everything except the bit that will cost me the most money if I screw it up, and that's assembling the processor area... heatsink, fans, thermal compound

[21:08:02]

Juski:

now if you're talking about making stuff like IR receivers, cables or case LCDs... that's something else

[21:08:09]

Juski:

(but they can be bought off the shelf)

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meisterwinte1:

can anyone tell me how i can set up lirc to run on mythtv, lirc works wwith mplayer, but not with mythfrontend

[21:08:28]

bengoodger:

nah, I don't do electromechanical engineering :)

[21:08:46]

Juski:

bengoodger: if it's any consolation I always approach the CPU area with trepidation

[21:08:49]

thouters:

hi, I'm thinking of making a mythtv setup, with backend and frontend connected via wifi, for that reason I'm wondering what amount of traffic this streaming generates

[21:08:51]

SynrG:

i have mythgame installed, configured with xmame as a player, and have scanned for roms. some are found (as i can see on stdout) but they don't show in the games menu under media.

[21:08:55]

SynrG:

any clues?

[21:09:01]

bengoodger:

the server to be used is fine. mythbackend system is pre-made; I'm using it now

[21:09:06]

Juski:

thouters: unless it's G wireless, forget it

[21:09:25]

thouters:

Juski: it's 54mbit, theoretical

[21:09:27]

dev:

thouters: and if its hdtv, forget wireless alltogether

[21:09:29]

Juski:

even G wireless sometimes isn't up to the job, YMMV

[21:09:30]

psofa:

anyone here familiar with how mythtv and xmltv grabbers act together?

[21:09:35]

psofa:

i have written a custom grabber in bash and id like to use it with myth

[21:09:40]

thouters:

Juski: I asume mythtv just streams the raw mpeg2 stream

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marmoset:

thouters: if that's what you recorded

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Juski:

when is the penny gonna drop that wireless is next to absolutely bloody useless for real applications requiring reliable connections?

[21:10:23]

thouters:

marmoset: well, the card has a mpeg2 codec

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** Freman laughs with Juski **

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marmoset:

thouters: if you have it autotranscode to mpeg4 it will use that, which is much more doable over wireless (depending on resolution and such)

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bengoodger:

so my main problem is in obtaining a decent small barebones system with support for **whatever that three-cable video/audio thingy is called**

[21:10:55]

** bengoodger concurs with juski :) **

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Freman:

I love the morons who use our wireless network then ring up and bitch to high heavon when their wireless internet drops out...

[21:11:18]

Juski:

bengoodger: my frontend is an epia-m10000 board, booted from the network, all linked up with SCART & digital audio

[21:11:21]

Freman:

'Do you whinge every time your mobile phone has a spack?'

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bengoodger:

juski, I'd like scart with audio if possible; that's how I came to the digital-video-thingy+3.5mm-cable>scart

[21:12:52]

Juski:

bengoodger: I think Maplin sell the kind of cable you want... even Argos do I think (PC to TV connection kit or summink)

[21:12:58]

bengoodger:

yeah, I know

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Ryushin:

Is there a way to rebuild a mpeg2 file? Myth is having a heck of a time fast forwarding. The was no sync table on the file either, I've tried building one using mythcommflag, but I'm still having issues with ths mpeg file.

[21:13:07]

Juski:

svideo, composite & 3.5mm stereo to scart cable

[21:13:19]

bengoodger:

problem is getting an onboard graphics chip with a composite-out

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Ryushin:

It's a HD mpeg file.

[21:13:31]

Juski:

bengoodger: my epia has that

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bengoodger:

and uh, surely that epia would have an inadequate processor at 1gb? dvb-t is according to someone in my LUG upto 32mbits

[21:14:02]

Juski:

bengoodger: if sdtv is all you're doing, why not go for a fanless nvidia fx5200

[21:14:20]

** bengoodger becomes scared and dives for google define again **

[21:14:32]

bengoodger:

ah

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Juski:

bengoodger: then that someone in your LUG isn't as clued up as he sounds. a _whole_ multiplex on freeview might be 32mbits

[21:14:44]

bengoodger:

ah

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bengoodger:

okay.

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Juski:

let me put it this way... my 'puny' epia m10000 board (with help from its onboard mpeg2 decoder) uses a paltry 15% CPU playing back mpeg2 recordings

[21:15:32]

bengoodger:

erm, the plan is to have three (sdtv) dvb-t cards to record whatever I want, and to have one stream going to the mythfrontend

[21:15:39]

bengoodger:

(ooh)

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marmoset:

Juski: what resolution mpeg2?

[21:15:45]

Juski:

720x576

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marmoset:

ah ok

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Goose-BA:

I get prebuffer time out errors when i try to play live tv , any ideas?

[21:16:00]

Juski:

it'll play 720p too but grudgingly

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marmoset:

I should get my epia working again

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bengoodger:

how large is standard sdtv?

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Juski:

720x576

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bengoodger:

ah.

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bengoodger:

:)

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bengoodger:

good.

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Juski:

more4 & some ITV channels are 704x576

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Goose-BA:

I get prebuffer time out errors when i try to play live tv , any ideas?

[21:16:29]

Goose-BA:

oops

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bengoodger:

well, some ITV channels are shite..

[21:16:39]

Ryushin:

Juski: But analog TV is just 480 lines, right?

[21:16:51]

Juski:

Ryushin: NTSC may be

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Ryushin:

Yea, that's what I'm gathering.

[21:17:23]

bengoodger:

juski, so that motherboard would be fine

[21:17:24]

bengoodger:

yay

[21:17:26]

Juski:

bengoodger: anyway – 3 tuners is a good idea to have – plenty capacity. and btw mythtv records _everything_

[21:17:27]

GreyFoxx:

Ryushin: NTSC is 525 lines, 480/481 visiable. PAL is 625 576 visible

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bengoodger:

yes, I know

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bengoodger:

erm

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Ryushin:

Learn something new everyday. :)

[21:18:13]

Juski:

bengoodger: out of curiousity, which LUG do you go to?

[21:18:36]

bengoodger:

I don't go to it Luski, their meetings are about fifty miles away, I'm in the devon and cornwall one

[21:18:40]

Ryushin:

Is there a man page for mythtranscode?

[21:18:55]

bengoodger:

lostwithiel --> paignton + school != feasible

[21:18:58]

Juski:

bengoodger: nm then.

[21:19:20]

Juski:

Ryushin: try wiki.mythtv.org

[21:19:39]

Freman:

I likes my dual tuners. less chance of real conflicts and I can record 20 mins before a show, and 20 mins after it cos none of the tv stations here keep to a schedules

[21:19:45]

bengoodger:

how much HDD in the frontend? can I use this 2gig ide thingy I got from an old system

[21:19:47]

meisterwinte1:

how can i see, if mythtv is compiled with lirc support?

[21:20:14]

dev:

ldd

[21:20:35]

bengoodger:

there wouldn't be room in a mini-itx case for two HDDs and an optical drive, would there?

[21:20:57]

Goose-BA:

no

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Freman:

If you could find slimline drives like the 40's I've got... yes

[21:21:06]

Freman:

or laptopt drives... yes

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Freman:

otherwise 'NO'

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bengoodger:

hmm

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Freman:

my frontend is just a computer mounted on plastic sticks with drives mounted on foam blocks shoved in under the tv in the glass part of my tv unit...

[21:22:01]

Freman:

boxes are for the lazy (c:

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meisterwinte1:

ldd?

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dev:

sigh

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dev:

ldd `which mythfrontend` |grep lirc

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dev:

if you get something back, its compiled with it

[21:23:04]

dev:

if not

[21:23:05]

dev:

its not

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bengoodger:

could I get away with a 2.5gb drive in the frontend?

[21:23:18]

Juski:

bengoodger: consider that 1 hour of bbc1 can be just over 2GB ;-)

[21:23:19]

marmoset:

bengoodger: my mini itx has room for 2x3.5" + optical I think

[21:23:29]

Freman:

I like the telnet remote interface, can hook my pda up to do somethig useful (c:

[21:23:42]

Juski:

bengoodger: net booting can be as fast as booting from a hdd ya know

[21:23:43]

marmoset:

bengoodger: but I'm happier with my shuttle frontend than I was with my epia front end

[21:23:47]

bengoodger:

marmoset, a model number or url would be wonderful

[21:24:05]

marmoset:

bengoodger: sec

[21:24:09]

bengoodger:

juski, hmm

[21:24:12]

Juski:

shuttles with nvidia graphics & nice looking – very rare today

[21:24:17]

dev:

there's mini-itx and micro-itx

[21:24:23]

dev:

mini-itx is smaller than micro-itx

[21:24:26]

dev:

which is... funny

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dev:

heh

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Freman:

go the nano (c:

[21:24:42]

bengoodger:

:)

[21:24:46]

marmoset:

Juski: yes, the did uglify a lot of shuttles

[21:24:47]

Goose-BA:

nano-itx is expensive

[21:24:57]

RaYmAn-Bx:

dev: sure you're not thinking of micro-atx? :>

[21:24:58]

meisterwinte1:

when i use ldd `which mythfrontend` |grep lirc, i have an error: no such file or directory

[21:25:08]

Freman:

all the shuttles I've seen are real noisy

[21:25:15]

Juski:

there are way too many SFF cases with front audio connections

[21:25:28]

marmoset:

Freman: mine's actually really quiet

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dev:

RaYmAn-Bx: oh i think i am, woops lol

[21:25:32]

bengoodger:

I need something fairly quiet, but it doesn't need to be too quiet

[21:25:34]

marmoset:

my DLP is louder than the shuttle ;)

[21:25:34]

Juski:

plus they just look wrong under a tv imho

[21:25:43]

bengoodger:

I think that juski's mobo will be fine

[21:25:47]

marmoset:

bengooder: http://tinyurl.com/nr2o2

[21:25:54]

bengoodger:

thanks

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marmoset:

pretty sure it'll hold two, there's a lot of other cases on that site tho

[21:26:17]

marmoset:

make sure you get a big psu if you go for two drives tho

[21:26:19]

Freman:

once mounting all my goodies on foam blocks, my system is dead quiet without the 2 120 mm fans and the 1 80 mm fan... but even with them it's pretty damn quiet

[21:26:24]

bengoodger:

is just the case available, marmoset?

[21:26:31]

Juski:

bengoodger: the other thing about the epia boards is... they're great for lazy people (like me) cos you can just use minimyth – ready rolled – all you need to do is set up a PXE server (quite easy) and edit some text files

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marmoset:

bengooder: dunno, I went for the whole thing

[21:27:31]

marmoset:

bengoodger: there's lots of links and stuff on http://www.mini-itx.com/ and I think it's out of the UK as well

[21:27:36]

Juski:

http://www.tranquilpc.co.uk/T2.htm

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Juski:

http://www.tranquilpc-shop.co.uk/acatalog/T2_optical.html

[21:28:40]

marmoset:

I needed something bigger than an epia anyway for my hdtv, to use an agp card with component out

[21:28:53]

marmoset:

the shuttle ended up working great

[21:29:06]

bengoodger:

I'm becoming confused

[21:29:11]

Juski:

heheh

[21:29:21]

psofa:

mythfilldatabase --file is an option if ...but you do have an XML formatted listings file created by some other program.

[21:29:25]

bengoodger:

juski, my irc client crashed, could I have that link again?

[21:29:34]

Juski:

bengoodger: for composite / svideo out, the epia's onboard video is fine

[21:29:36]

Juski:

http://www.tranquilpc-shop.co.uk/acatalog/T2_optical.html

[21:29:53]

marmoset:

yeah

[21:29:54]

psofa:

so lets say i give mythfilldatabase the xmltv formated file.How will myth connect the listings to my actuall channels im the database?

[21:29:56]

bengoodger:

er, the mobo

[21:29:58]

marmoset:

I used it on my regular SD tv

[21:30:06]

meisterwinte1:

u can use a via epia en 12000, its passive cooled. than u can buy a mini itx case with passive ac and internal dcdc adpater. than u put a verry low noise papst fan in the case @ 5 V.

[21:30:28]

marmoset:

meisterwinte1; that's exactly what I did, except with a 10000

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meisterwinte1:

yes, i have an m2 12000

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marmoset:

super silent

[21:31:02]

meisterwinte1:

but i havent a good case yes

[21:31:05]

meisterwinte1:

yet

[21:31:12]

bengoodger:

justi, the motherboard you sent me a link to earlier?

[21:32:12]

meisterwinte1:

marmoset: have u run mythtv with lirc?

[21:32:42]

Goose-BA:

where can i find mythtv install directions?

[21:32:48]

dev:

mythtv.org

[21:33:14]

Goose-BA:

yea i see the documentation

[21:33:17]

Goose-BA:

but not installing

[21:33:25]

dev:

look harder.

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meisterwinte1:

dev: i dont understand your ldd syntax

[21:33:59]

dev:

meisterwinte1: why not?

[21:34:16]

dev:

Goose-BA: here's a tip, in *nix, its called compiling — not installing

[21:34:32]

dev:

Goose-BA: so check out the 'downloading and compiling' section of the docs

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meisterwinte1:

i write it down, like u have post it, but the file couldnt be found

[21:35:08]

bengoodger:

juski, found it

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dev:

then either ldd or mythfrontned is not in your path, or myth isnt installed

[21:35:50]

meisterwinte1:

how is the path of mythfrontend? i use debian

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dev:

you could break that command down.....

[21:36:14]

dev:

like.... which mythfrontend

[21:36:15]

dev:

if that works

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dev:

then ldd

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meisterwinte1:

sry

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dev:

if that works

[21:36:38]

meisterwinte1:

ah

[21:36:42]

meisterwinte1:

yes

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bengoodger:

brb

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xris:

Goose-BA: which distro do you use?

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meisterwinte1:

it sys: liblirc_client.so.0=>/usr/lib/liblirc_client.so.0 (0xb6583000)

[21:38:42]

Juski:

omg what have the apache guys done this time?

[21:39:20]

cfreeze:

Anyone seen blue/green color problems when playing back video? It started at around a hundred commits or so in svn.

[21:39:49]

Juski:

mods-available & mods-enabled... wtf?

[21:39:51]

dev:

meisterwinte1: that means it was compiled with lirc support

[21:40:12]

meisterwinte1:

but it doest works

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meisterwinte1:

-s

[21:40:56]

dev:

if you run irw as the same user as you run mythfrontend as, then push some buttons on your remote, do you see stuff?

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meisterwinte1:

yes

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meisterwinte1:

an mplayer too

[21:41:24]

meisterwinte1:

and

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dev:

did you configure lircrc?

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dev:

in ~/.mythtv/lircrc ?

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meisterwinte1:

in think so

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meisterwinte1:

yes

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dev:

then you should be fine :)

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dev:

sounds like you gotta doublecheck everything hehe

[21:42:01]

meisterwinte1:

:-)

[21:42:08]

Juski:

if myth was compiled with lirc support...

[21:42:09]

meisterwinte1:

i think it can be the config

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dev:

your settings in lircrc have to match lircd.conf (output from irw input) exactly, case and everything

[21:42:48]

meisterwinte1:

can u check the config plz, i show u a link.

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dev:

if its UP

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dev:

it has to be UP

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dev:

if its Up it has to be Up :P

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Juski:

now I am officially lost

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bengoodger:

back

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bengoodger:

not sure how to mark myself as online though

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bengoodger:

I don't suppose ATA is backward compatible with IDE?

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bengoodger:

how much hdd space will I need for a mythfrontend?

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Juski:

bengoodger: ATA _is_ IDE

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bengoodger:

nyargle, that clears a lot up.

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Juski:

bengoodger: knoppmyth fits on one CD, so you figure it out ;-)

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bengoodger:

juski, I was told that mythfrontend keeps a cache – also by the data-rate-LUG-guy

[21:50:48]

Juski:

only a theme cache

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bengoodger:

ok

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Juski:

and even then it doesn't _have_ to

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bengoodger:

will 2.5gb suffice?

[21:51:15]

Juski:

I'd think so

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Juski:

my xbox is running mythfrontend with only a 2GB rootfs

[21:52:04]

Juski:

that's just for a demo – it's a little slow to use every day

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bengoodger:

ok

[21:52:49]

bengoodger:

for everyday use, though, 2.6gb will be ok?

[21:52:59]

** bengoodger is just scrimping **

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marmoset:

bengoodger: if you're not recording on it, sure

[21:53:23]

bengoodger:

okies.

[21:53:38]

marmoset:

but if you have a separate backend that you're recording on, you might as well set up netboot stuff, then no drive needed at all

[21:53:54]

bengoodger:

hmm

[21:53:58]

Juski:

as I said earlier, netbooting doesn't take longer than booting from a HDD

[21:54:17]

Juski:

or rather – it _needn't_ ;-)

[21:54:19]

GreyFoxx:

my desktop machine netboots off my main backend

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bengoodger:

yes.. alright, thin client it is

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Juski:

less noise, less heat...

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bengoodger:

how long does it take to boot, btw?

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meisterwinte1:

dev: can u check my configs?

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Juski:

less hassle when the HDD dies

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Juski:

bengoodger: over my 100mbit lan, around 60 secs

[21:55:14]

GreyFoxx:

ben, round 30 or so seconds? 1 minute if I have it auto launch X

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bengoodger:

hmm, alright

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GreyFoxx:

but I always manually start x

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Juski:

a lot of that is uncompressing the rootfs

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bengoodger:

ok

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bengoodger:

how easy is the thin-client setup to do with knoppmyth, or will I have to use another distro?

[21:55:57]

meisterwinte1:

http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/lircrc-RS.txt

[21:55:57]

meisterwinte1:

http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/lircd-RS.conf.txt

[21:56:01]

Juski:

god I've done this mythweb configging so many times you'd think I'd have got the hang of it by now...

[21:56:20]

Juski:

bengoodger: I dunno. shouldn't be too tricky though

[21:56:22]

bengoodger:

mythtweb is very good, it must be said

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bengoodger:

ok

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marmoset:

bengoodger: I think knoppmyth has the whole thin client thing set up already

[21:57:22]

marmoset:

could be wrong tho

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meisterwinte1:

dev: have u check the files?

[21:57:39]

Goose-BA:

"NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 seconds" i get this error looping when i try to watch live tv?

[21:57:40]

bengoodger:

you've all been great helps, and I'd buy you two drinks if I wasn't fifteen and you lived probably hundreds of miles away

[21:57:40]

Goose-BA:

any ideas?

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bengoodger:

:)

[21:58:04]

bengoodger:

*didn't live

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marmoset:

I would really like to kick amd squa in the nuts for their whole cpu rating thing

[22:01:56]

bengoodger:

now all I need is a case, and a usb remote control

[22:02:11]

bengoodger:

any recommendations for the latter?

[22:02:23]

marmoset:

bengoodger: I've been really happy with my firefly remote

[22:02:23]

meisterwinte1:

what budget u have?

[22:02:33]

bengoodger:

not sure.

[22:02:35]

marmoset:

it's much much better than the ATI one I had before it

[22:02:40]

marmoset:

it was around $45 usd iirc

[22:02:49]

bengoodger:

currently my balance is £630

[22:03:06]

bengoodger:

I want to spend some of that on a graphics tablet and pair of UPS

[22:03:56]

meisterwinte1:

http://www.itvmedia.de/shopindex.htm

[22:03:57]

meisterwinte1:

http://www.travla.com/Products/Barebone-Case-ITX.html

[22:04:37]

bengoodger:

plus there's a new desktop pc, three dvb-t tuners and 250gb of ata; then deduct £100 for the motherboard and processor, ram, and optical drive for my mythfrontend

[22:04:58]

bengoodger:

(1gig ram)

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meisterwinte1:

can anyone check my lirc configs?

[22:05:23]

Freman:

I went with the sexy slimline slotloading usb optical drive

[22:05:31]

Freman:

means I can change dvd's without getting off my arse

[22:05:48]

bengoodger:

heh

[22:05:48]

marmoset:

bengoodger: the other nice thing about a netboot thin client is no fscks, unless the backend goes down. you can just turn it off if you want ;)

[22:05:57]

bengoodger:

oh yes.

[22:06:10]

bengoodger:

so the case..

[22:06:28]

** bengoodger looks at firefly **

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bengoodger:

marmoset, was the firefly nice to set up in myth?

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marmoset:

bengoodger: yeah, it was easy iirc, it's been a while tho. It's pretty much like a USB keyboard I think.

[22:08:17]

bengoodger:

yay

[22:08:22]

** bengoodger will purchase one of those **

[22:08:25]

marmoset:

and it's RF rather than IR, so you don't have to point it at anything

[22:08:33]

bengoodger:

another yay.

[22:09:02]

bengoodger:

I now need sleep I'm afraid, as I've two exams tomorrow.... you've been invaluable, thanks a ton

[22:09:10]

marmoset:

good luck ;)

[22:09:16]

Goose-BA:

"NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 seconds" i get this error looping when i try to watch live tv?

[22:09:28]

bengoodger:

I shall be back in here in a couple of weeks when I want to actually do something :)

[22:09:32]

bengoodger:

thanks marmoset

[22:09:43]

bengoodger:

gcse maths, what could be less relevant to life?

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bengoodger:

oh, I forgot. gcse geography

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bengoodger:

bye

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Kazriko:

Greetings. Is there any way to change the order mythtv uses the tuners in? I tried reversing them in mythtv-setup but it still seems to use video0 by default.

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hashbang:

Kazriko: define 'em the other way 'round

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Kazriko:

In mythtv-setup?

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** hashbang nods **

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Kazriko:

ok, i'll try that again here. it didn't quite work last time.

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Eureka:

I'm having problems running mythtv-setup, I'm not sure what card type I have (my type is PVR TV 713x from kworld) however, in the selection, I didn't see it, and thought that the MPEG-2 encoder card (PVR-x50, PVR-500) must be the one because others don't seem to be right, another issue is the default intput: could not open '/dev/video0' to probe its inputs, what's missing?

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Kazriko:

ahh, with deleting them first it did let me rearrange them, but it appears that full screen both of my cards are equally staticy. I need new cables. :p

[22:20:59]

meisterwinte1:

noone her, who can check my lirc conf, it can be the only mistake, why mythfrontend dont works

[22:21:08]

meisterwinte1:

*doesnt work

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Kazriko:

Eureka, is ivtv operating properly? ( lsmod | grep ivtv )

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Kazriko:

Eureka, actually, it looks like that card is an analog tuner of the BT878 type. I've never used those with Myth so I'm afraid I can't help you.

[22:27:44]

Kazriko:

i could be wrong, but the only page i found refers to 878, and doesn't mention hardware encoding.

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Juski:

a bttv card would just be 'v4l' in mythtv setup

[22:29:16]

Juski:

jees guys.

[22:33:48]

bilbravo:

Juski: what distro do you use on your xbox for the mythtv front end?

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Juski:

xebian

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xris:

there we go. 1.5G used on the mythbox.

[22:34:52]

bilbravo:

how was it on a scale of 1–10 to set up linux + mythtv?

[22:35:01]

Juski:

1

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bilbravo:

lol, awesome

[22:35:42]

Juski:

oi!

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gardengnome:

re

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Juski:

wb gardengnome

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Juski:

bilbravo: it's bad ettiquette to pm someone you don't know without asking

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gardengnome:

:)

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bilbravo:

wow, sorry

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Juski:

bilbravo: I have ummm a 160GB hdd in the box

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Juski:

I think

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Juski:

can only see 137 of it anyway with the bios I used

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Juski:

yay finally a fix for mjpegtools! http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/207442

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Juski:

nah I'll just wait for mytharchive to mature ;-)

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gardengnome:

so you can finally install mythburn. congrats ;)

[22:44:48]

Juski:

WAF went down a notch twice this weekend. XFactor didn't record all the way to the end despite having 10 mins overrun added

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GreyFoxx:

Did a new season of X factor start recently?

[22:45:16]

GreyFoxx:

Or have a missed a ton of them already ?

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Juski:

me saying "maybe it had enough of the fucking talentless wailing" didn't go down well

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Juski:

GreyFoxx: it was a 'special' 'celebrity' thing

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GreyFoxx:

ok, I missed all of season 2

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Juski:

finishes tomorrow

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GreyFoxx:

bah

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GreyFoxx:

I liked season 1

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GreyFoxx:

I was wathcing for season 2 but must have missed it

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Juski:

I keep having to remind her that even when we had a vcr we'd never think to let it overrun by half an hour

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gardengnome:

X factor? the show where'd show you all kinds of unbelievable stories featuring jonathan "number one" riker?

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GreyFoxx:

no :)

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dev:

number one, i order you to take a number two

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Juski:

lol

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Juski:

they should get Shatner on Xfactor though... that'd be class on a stick

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GreyFoxx:

A Musical talent show, similar to american idol but more interesting and less drawn out

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Juski:

same amount of fixing though

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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gardengnome:

"musical talent show" omfg.

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Juski:

aka "search for a puppet to sing middle-of-the-road songs"

[22:50:48]

gardengnome:

"bullshit people by selling shitty music"

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GreyFoxx:

welcome to the real world. Where everything you see and buy is strictly mapped out by the corporate world all to get your money and obedience :)

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daxxar:

Hm, what thread / board on LinPVR should I look at for new releases of MiniMyth?

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gardengnome:

GreyFoxx: yeah. i bought a copy-protected CD yesterday which won't play properly in my car. i'm still pissed off

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Juski:

daxxar: http://linpvr.org/dnload/releases/

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Juski:

they don't announce new releases clearly and their website is way out of date

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daxxar:

Aha

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daxxar:

Thanks

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daxxar:

Yeah, that's the impression I got. .p

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Juski:

they still say you can't play dvds!

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daxxar:

Do I want beta4 or the svn-beta-5-thing?

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Juski:

daxxar: if you're running 0.19 or 0.19-fixes you want http://linpvr.org/dnload/releases/0.19-12/

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daxxar:

I want the one with a WM. ;-)

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Juski:

eh? they took the wm out?!

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daxxar:

Eh, I dunno, the version I'm running doesn't have noe.

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daxxar:

one*

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daxxar:

I'm running 0.19–13beta3

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daxxar:

..

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** daxxar kicks self, repeatedly. **

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daxxar:

MM_X_WM_ENABLED

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Juski:

daxxar: have a read of this: http://linpvr.org/dnload/releases/testing/0.1 . . . hangelog.txt

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Juski:

"Returned to ratpoison, since the new version appears to work with the newer versions of X and the Openchrome driver."

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daxxar:

That's what you get for being a moron.

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daxxar:

My problem was that it's not enabled by default

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daxxar:

Disabled X window manager by default, because MythTV "GUI X offset" and "GUI Y offset" settings do not work when the X window manager running.

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daxxar:

:-P

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daxxar:

Why is one version named differently? Because they moved over to SVN?

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Juski:

they do

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daxxar:

(beta5)

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Juski:

beta5 is for svn I think

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Juski:

I wouldn't expect it to be updated often

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Juski:

Pablo sometimes does builds on request

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daxxar:

For svn or from svn?

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Juski:

for/from... it'll be for a certain svn version I suppose

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daxxar:

Ah, of mythtv?

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Juski:

yup

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daxxar:

Guess I'll download beta4

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daxxar:

For some reason, they removed beta3. :P

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daxxar:

(Which I have)

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Juski:

what's the ubuntu equivalent of rc-update?

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daxxar:

What does rc-update do? :-P

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Juski:

nm

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daxxar:

update-rc.d?

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daxxar:

That's what I'm guessing the debian-equivilant is, and ubuntu is debian based. ;-)

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Juski:

sometimes I wish linux == linux

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gardengnome:

Juski: get BSD ;)

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daxxar:

It is, if you go low enough. ;D

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gardengnome:

or well, one of the BSd flavours

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daxxar:

But Is ee your point

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daxxar:

I see it too. *cough*

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Juski:

I've already got one BSoD machine... ahhh

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Juski:

;-)

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daxxar:

Haha

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** daxxar cuddles his BSoD-machine **

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Juski:

and now.. to the lircmobile

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daxxar:

Couldn't get lirc working, probably a pebcak though.

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daxxar:

But debugging it on the minimyth is a slight hassle.

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Juski:

I have to say I wish I'd never bloody started this

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daxxar:

"this"?

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gardengnome:

42?

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Juski:

this, being ... playing with svn on a demo machine, figuring I have more than enough time to sort it all out

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daxxar:

Hehe

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Juski:

I want it out of the way before I get my new frontend.. that is gonna take some major late nights I bet

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adante:

my mythtranscode processes seem to have died.. any way of getting the backend to start them back up?

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Juski:

seen as much of it is an unknown quantity

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hadees:

anyone using a niveus remote?

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hadees:

GreyFoxx, i can't remember did you write the niveus kernel module

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gardengnome:

Juski: i've got the s100 sitting next to me. you'll love it :)

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daxxar:

S100?

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Juski:

gardengnome: I'm sure I will

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Juski:

oh god no.. wait til I get mine – I'll make a webshite about it

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Juski:

daxxar: http://www.t-online-shop.de/res/product_450/resource_37837.jpg

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gardengnome:

:)

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gardengnome:

Juski: GF brought her camera today, but i forgot to take pictures. :/

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Juski:

omg I didn't realise it has a display!!!

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daxxar:

Uhm.

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daxxar:

What is it?

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daxxar:

Chassis? The remote?

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daxxar:

A full system?

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Juski:

it's a PC based STB.. embedded thingy

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daxxar:

STB? :o

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gardengnome:

Juski: it doesn't have a display.

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Juski:

the one in that pic does :-/

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gardengnome:

Juski: it's just a backlit sign. the LEDs can obviously do red and green, though

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Juski:

lol

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Juski:

cheapskates

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gardengnome:

yep. and the green square is where the IR receiver is located

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** gardengnome wonders if digital audio out will work **

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Juski:

probably

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** Juski builds lirc **

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mchou:

Damn, T-mobile must have lots of stuff.....

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gardengnome:

whaddayamean?

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mchou:

was just looking at your s100 linky

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Juski:

they must have money to burn, giving those boxen away

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mchou:

actually I meant Juski's linky

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Juski:

I dunno if they're specially made for t-online or if they're some sort of OEM box

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gardengnome:

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mchou:

50 euro /mo?

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Juski:

they're doing good numbers on ebay anyway

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gardengnome:

mchou: naw

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gardengnome:

Juski: if you remove the sticker on the DOM, you can see that there's "zenega" written on it – the zenega was a similar hardware design, just less ram and an additional ppc-based dvb part

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gardengnome:

mchou: 50 euro per box, and then you pay monthly fees, i think.

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gardengnome:

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mchou:

gardengnome: approx how much are monthly fees?

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gardengnome:

mchou: sorry, i dunno.

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Juski:

mchou: it doesn't matter to us – we're hacking em

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Juski:

hacking in the Linux sense, not in the 'gaining pay stuff for free' sense ;-)

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mchou:

Juski: you keep the box even if you dont subscribe?

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gardengnome:

mchou: you can also buy games there to play on the s100. i tried some free ones and they were really shitty. they wanted to charge me 10 cent for entering my name to the high score list.

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gardengnome:

mchou: well, you bought it.

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mchou:

gardengnome: lol

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Juski:

mchou: technically the box isn't even available in the UK

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mchou:

gardengnome: right, for 50 euros :)

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Juski:

I might even be the 1st person in the Uk with one. when I get it

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gardengnome:

mchou: i don't care. i mean, microsoft gives the xbox away for way too cheap, too. not my problem, i'd say

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mchou:

Juski: so what does this box actually do?

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mchou:

it's a DVB/IPTV receiver?

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Juski:

mchou: it's basically a pc in a nice looking case.. albeit a low powered one

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gardengnome:

mchou: celeron mobile 733 mhz, usb 2.0, 128mb ram, 32 mb flash memory for hard disk, 802.11g, fanless. can you say "frontend"? :)

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mchou:

bah, sounds like old xbox :)

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Juski:

no good for HDTV but we're not wanting it for that

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mchou:

gardengnome: any pci slots?

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Juski:

one pci slot

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mchou:

compact-pci

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gardengnome:

mchou: minipci (wlan), one pci slot. but i don't know if you can use them together.

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Juski:

one of those too

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** gardengnome wonders if he should get a large-ish usb memory stick or a CF-to-IDE adapter **

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gardengnome:

netbooting the whole thing doesn't seem like a good idea anymore ;)

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mchou:

gardengnome: why you say that?

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mchou:

gardengnome: netboot still seems most cost effective.....

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mchou:

not to mention you dont "wear out" netboot

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gardengnome:

mchou: yeah. but netboot over encrypted wlan is not that easy. i'm working on it, but it's a bitch ;)

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gardengnome:

(initramfs, i sincerely hate you)

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Freman:

do you think it might be possible to make mythtranscode into a clusterable program? (ie: split the file up and work on it from different machines?) – hell, reckon I could offload the transcoding from my backend which is a lowly 1800xp to my dual core athlon?

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dev:

that would be a terrific idea

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dev:

when can you do it?

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Juski:

hmmm now I just need setserial to load at boot time...

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gardengnome:

Juski: rc.local

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Freman:

I can do this already with transcode, just not mythtranscode...

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gardengnome:

Freman: you can already make mythtv run transcoding jobs on other backends. you just need to mount your recordings directory on the slave backend

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Juski:

gardengnome: no rc.local file

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Freman:

gardengnome: cool, I'll look at that in the meantime... it would be soooo cool to be able to split the job up tho (c:

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Juski:

hang on I can just pop it into the lirc startup script :-)

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dev:

Freman: oh, you mean just running it on another box. not actually splitting up the jobs between multiple cpus.. oh well.. yeah.. thats easy, just do it on another backend and disallow transcoding jobs on the other slower backends

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gardengnome:

Juski: on ubuntu? you sure?

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gardengnome:

Juski: i've got it on dapper drake: /etc/rc.local – maybe you have to create it. if that doesn't work, just use /etc/rc.boot

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dev:

its a setting in mythtv-setup "allow transcoding jobs on this backend" and "allow commercial flagging jobs on this backend"

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Freman:

maybe a nuvsplit program or somethig

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** Kazriko needs to disable commercial flagging because he never uses it. **

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dev:

Kazriko: you like to watch commercials?

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