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Friday, June 2nd, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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Achew22:

I hope I don't have that problem...

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Achew22:

I'm going to backup my db now so that I don't have to do that... ta ta

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bilbravo:

heh

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bilbravo:

hey i have another issue, somewha tannoying but i can get aorund it

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bilbravo:

well, it is probably specific to my linux distro though

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bilbravo:

when i issue /etc/init.d/mythbackend start, the back end will crash immediately... but i i issue "mythbackend" from the cli it stays running

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WAR_CH|LD:

howdy partners

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bilbravo:

hi

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Sneezer:

howdy

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WAR_CH|LD:

http://www.fusionhdtv.co.kr/ENG/Products/DualDigital.aspx

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WAR_CH|LD:

^^ has anyone tried using that yet? and has anyone tried using the remote!? :)

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WAR_CH|LD:

the dvico website it has the cx2388x chips, so I assume it's just 2x lite ones

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Sneezer:

WAR_CH|LD I haven't had any luck with the cx2388x chip. It can only be harder if you have 2

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WAR_CH|LD:

I have a dvico fusion lite, which has the same chip. works great. just one of them thou

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Sneezer:

if you got it working then go for it

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WAR_CH|LD:

what problems did you have?

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Sneezer:

it detects but wont tune channels

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WAR_CH|LD:

kernel version?

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Sneezer:

if you have the drivers and such setup it may be as simple as sliding it in

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Sneezer:

WAR_CH|LD I was 2.6.12 but i'm going to 2.6.15 right now because I'm going to dapper

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WAR_CH|LD:

yeah, but be a different box

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WAR_CH|LD:

i'm actually an IT guy, I have 2x clients with 2x different mythtv setups.

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WAR_CH|LD:

but this dual card i'm looking at for a different client. :)

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WAR_CH|LD:

if I can find out that, that dual card can work, as well as the remote. then I can cut my price off a bit and get a sale. :)

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WAR_CH|LD:

but for me, i'm using 2.6.15.7 kernels with no problem.s

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Sneezer:

WAR_CH|LD more power to ya

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Sneezer:

I'm going to something very close to that — would you be willing to help me with my card when I got my system setup?

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WAR_CH|LD:

I tried 2.6.16 but it was an evil 2hour period

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WAR_CH|LD:

sure man.

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Sneezer:

exelent

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Sneezer:

now if this cd would just finish burning

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achew22:

WAR_CH|LD I thought the chip was larger than the one in that picture....

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bilbravo:

ah this is annoying me ... i want to download progrma info! lol

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achew22:

bilbravo what state are you in?

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gardengnome:

a desperate one?

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achew22:

ha

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achew22:

fine — if you're in colorado I'll send you my datadirect stuff

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kormoc:

his hostmask says Maryland

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bilbravo:

MD

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achew22:

wait a min.. mythfillperiod is 1. That means it should go for 1 day then check later for the rest.

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** kormoc has always wondered where the D in MD cames from... **

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bilbravo:

at the end lol

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achew22:

MarylanD?

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kormoc:

Okay, after years of random wonderance, that question has been answered. My life is now complete

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achew22:

thats actualy a lie. there are an abnormal number of medical doctors in Maryland, thats why. MD = Medical Doctor = Maryland

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achew22:

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WAR_CH|LD:

achew22??

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kormoc:

achew22, torrents and torrent sites and torrent programs are not welcome in this channel.

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achew22:

ohh — I'm going to ask for help with my RSS program

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achew22:

http://rssatellite.sf.net

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rever:

Hi I have a hardware mpeg2 decoder tv tuner. Will I see any benefit compile mythtv with XvMC?

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achew22:

Daper Drake has graphical INSTALL! thats sweet

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gardengnome:

achew22: yeah. needs 256mb ram. :/

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achew22:

I got that

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kormoc:

rever, do you mean you have a pvr 350 or something else?

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rever:

achew22: are you using dapper? I just installed it an got 0.18 myth install

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achew22:

rever yeah apt has the old version

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achew22:

ARG it detected my screen as 640x480. Is there a way to fix that even though its a live cd?

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rever:

kormoc: I have WINPVR USB2 like 350

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WAR_CH|LD:

well soem looking around has told me that the dual video ness on that fusion hdtv is supported! w00t!

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kormoc:

rever, unless it also serves as your videocard, we'll need to know your videocard

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rever:

achew22: Do you know if 0.19 will be released soon or should I compile and install it myself. Hate doing that way because no easy way to uninstall

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achew22:

kormoc is there a place that has the rules for the channel?

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rever:

kormoc: Nvidia 7800GS 256Mb

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gardengnome:

achew22: maybe the FAQ in the topic

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kormoc:

rever, you see, that device *encodes* tv into mpeg2, it doesn't play it back. XvMC works by helping on the playback of mpeg2 files, Nvidia cards are great for XvMC, depending on your motherboard chipset

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thechris:

i am wondering if there is any way to get my PVR500 to have at least as good of reception as a $20 VCR from 1998

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rever:

kormoc: nforce2 chipset with soundstorm apu

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achew22:

rever compile it — you don't want to use the deb packages for ubuntu

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achew22:

I had nothing but trouble

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kormoc:

rever, well, you're just going to have to try it, but it should work well

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achew22:

and its not that bad to uninstall as long as you keep the source that you used to install with

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gardengnome:

thehunter.ws has 0.19 packages for ubuntu, IIRC

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rever:

kormoc: Thanks for the advice

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gardengnome:

or you can just roll your own packages

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kormoc:

achew22, http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/wiki/index.php/FAQ#Bittorrent

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kormoc:

rever, it's a run-time enable/disable option if you compile in support for it, so it won't hurt

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rever:

achew22: I have the tar.bz unziped in my home directory compiling know thanks

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achew22:

rever what I do is install the thing from apt then remove it (that means you have all the dependancies) then compile in the new one

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rever:

kormoc: How do you enable it at runtime mythfrontend -XvMC

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kormoc:

rever, if it's compiled in, under the playback options, there is a spot to tell it to use XvMC rather then libmpeg2 or what not

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rever:

achew22: I have 0.18 all installed an working going to uninstall. Do you use Prefix=/usr

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rever:

kormoc: Again thank you.

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achew22:

rever you can add it to your ldconfig

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kormoc:

you are quite welcome

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** kormoc blinks **

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achew22:

I just do that because then I don't need to do the prefix thing every time

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rever:

achew22: Last question do you get the source from debian repos? I actually did mine from svn? Will I have issues with scripts not have mythtv user?

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WAR_CH|LD:

http://www.itee.uq.edu.au/~chrisp/Linux-DVB/DVICO/#remote <----- looks like it does. :) w00t

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achew22:

no — if you apt-got it then your user will be created, same with the database. I would say go ahead from SVN or go the fixes route it doesn't matter

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rever:

achew22: Thank you for all your help

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achew22:

what is softcam?

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achew22:

rever: yeah — any time

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thechris:

does anyone get respectable TV reception with a pvr150/250/350/500 on analog cable?

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kormoc:

aye

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kormoc:

most people do

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thechris:

hmm

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kormoc:

way better then bttv cards

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thechris:

i do not get good reception with either the PVR500 or PVR350

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kormoc:

did you try replacing the cable wire you are using?

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kormoc:

make sure any spliters work well?

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thechris:

yes

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thechris:

the $20 VCR from 1998 works great

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thechris:

in fact, if i use the VCR as the tuner, and attach it to the PVR's line in, i get good quality

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thechris:

i can't get sound to work passably for channel 75. i can't get video to work passably on channel 54

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armand:

tuner may be getting detected incorrectly

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thechris:

nope, it is definately correct

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kormoc:

how's your ground on the computer?

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kormoc:

what's the pci cards around the tuner?

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kormoc:

did you try swapping cards around?

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kormoc:

did you try removing other cards?

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thechris:

kormoc: i think the TV tuner is at the very bottom, with a serial card above it

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kormoc:

how's your power supply voltage leves?

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thechris:

the PSU is fine, i can't check it ATM though

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thechris:

the computer doens't have a 3 prong connector though

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thechris:

for the AC

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kormoc:

that would be a major issue imho

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thechris:

but then again, neither does the VCR, which works

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kormoc:

yeah, but the vcr isn't as exact, by any means

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kormoc:

grounds are considered *required* for computers for a reason...

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thechris:

i have no way to test this out then

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dns_server1:

can anyone help me get myth compiled under dapper on an amd64?

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kormoc:

thechris, well, you could say, get a ground outlet like it really should be on...

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thechris:

i don't have any of those

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Sedorox:

thechris: you really should...

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kormoc:

you could rewire house/get apartment owner to do it as it's not upto code if it's not

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Sedorox:

especially for electronic stuff.. e.g. computers

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thechris:

the computers work fine.

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kormoc:

...

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kormoc:

yeah, cause they use a 3 prong plug for no reason in the world...

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Sedorox:

just because they work... doesn't mean they always will..

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kormoc:

why use the cheaper 2 prong plug when they can use the more costly 3 pronged ones for no reason at all!

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gardengnome:

"prong" sounds.. phallic. anyways, good night :)

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Sedorox:

well.. granted the nuetral and ground are the same thing in the electrical box... but still..

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armand:

he he, touch my prong

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Sedorox:

but for tv and such... the 60hz is also picked up through the ground.. hence why you probably need it

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Sedorox:

(if in the US Anyway)

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kormoc:

Sedorox, they do go to different paths in the computer

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Sedorox:

well yea

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thechris:

i'm trying to detemine why i got poor reception at the campus appartements. they had 3 prong plugs there

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armand:

sure sounds like tuner

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kormoc:

Well, I know that when I put my 179 (250 rebranded) next to my raid controler, I get crap reception, but give it a extra slot between then and it works fine

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armand:

before i nailed down what my tuners were supposed to be i got all knids of shit from snow to distorted pictures

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thechris:

right now i really just want sound on channel 75

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thechris:

the picture on channel 75 is clear at least...

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thechris:

the sound undulates though

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psofa:

gn

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Goose-BA:

im using xine with mythtv how do i get a .sub file to play with my video?

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dns_server1:

i'm trying to compile myth but it stops while compileing libavcodec, is there a way to skip this library (i can install it through apt)

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xris:

dns_server1: no, it's a custom one for myth

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xris:

wait, I might be confusing it with libavformat

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dns_server1:

i get the error relocation R_X86_64_32S against `a local symbol' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC

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prologic:

Hey guys, question. WHen I run nuexport and try to export something to Xvid, I get ffmpeg: unrecognized option -mv4 Anyone know why ? This used to work just fine once

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xris:

prologic: either nuvexport or ffmpeg got updated

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prologic:

hmm

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xris:

ffmpeg changes their cli options.. mv4 got switched to m4v (or vice versa)

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prologic:

do you know what ffmpeg needs to be compiled with ?

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prologic:

I"m guessing it's missing something

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prologic:

oooh okay

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xris:

prologic: which version of mythtv and nuvexport?

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prologic:

is there a newer nuvexport ?

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prologic:

wait a sec

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prologic:

mythtv-0.19

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prologic:

$ prt-get listinst nuvexport -v

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prologic:

nuvexport 0.3–1

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xris:

use the latest svn tarball of nuvexport from forevermore.net/files/nuvexport

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prologic:

3.0.20060515.svn

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prologic:

I think I am

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xris:

then it should detect just fine

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prologic:

hmm

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achew22:

WAR_CH|LD are you here?

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rever:

Just got mythtv 0.19 compiles and install. All is working, this app is rocks

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prologic:

xris, well it doesn't seem to detect this on my system :/

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achew22:

rever the apt-get thing saved you tons of work

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prologic:

just double checked I'm using tha latest svn nuvexport

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WAR_CH|LD:

achew22, yheah

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WAR_CH|LD:

whats up?

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rever:

achew22: Yeah I bet I had a few dev libs to install for the compile and XvMC

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xris:

prologic: put `ffmpeg -version` into a pastebin for me

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prologic:

ok

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achew22:

rever for future refrence you should use apt-get builddep (maybe its "build-dep") and it will do all the dependancies for you

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prologic:

http://pastebin.shortcircuit.net.au/36

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rever:

achew22: Thanks came over to Dapper from gentoo so still learning apt

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** kormoc blinks **

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rever:

achew22: I have to say I am very pleased with Dapper too.

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achew22:

WAR_CH|LD would you be willing to help me setup my DVB card

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WAR_CH|LD:

sure. I didn't have many issues to tell you the truth.

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achew22:

so far from the comand line I think its sexy

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WAR_CH|LD:

well, I had none. it just worekd for me

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xris:

prologic: odd... instead of CVS, it should have some kind of version number

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WAR_CH|LD:

eg. compile module into kernel

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WAR_CH|LD:

then modprove

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prologic:

$ prt-get listinst ffmpeg -v

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prologic:

ffmpeg 20050806–1

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WAR_CH|LD:

modprobe

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xris:

wait, I'm wrong

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prologic:

it's the latest ffmpeg

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kormoc:

that's the main issue with ffmpeg, you can't figure out the version number...

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prologic:

I've checked :)

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achew22:

WAR_CH|LD I'm setting up sshd right now — brb

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xris:

prologic: my best guess is that you have an old cvs checkout that came from before the switchover in command name

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kormoc:

prologic, that's funny, it was updated about 2 hours ago and your datestamp is from 2005

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WAR_CH|LD:

aight mun.

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xris:

kormoc: "built on" != "checked out on"

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kormoc:

<prologic> ffmpeg 20050806–1

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kormoc:

wouldn't that be the checkout date?

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prologic:

no

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prologic:

it's taken from the snapshots

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prologic:

I checked the mplayer website, I didn't see a later ffmpeg

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xris:

what does mplayer have to do with ffmpeg?

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prologic:

http://www2.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/cvs/

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prologic:

that's where ffmpeg comes from ?

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prologic:

omg

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prologic:

the ffmpeg port is broken

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xris:

ffmpeg comes from ffmpeg.sf.net

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prologic:

oh since when ?

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achew22:

since it was started....

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xris:

or not

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kormoc:

xris, it forwards to the mplayerhq site

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prologic:

no

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xris:

apparently it moved

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xris:

weird

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prologic:

it used to come from mplayer

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prologic:

now I'm so lost

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achew22:

I've always gotten it from sf

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achew22:

prologic my work here is done...

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kormoc:

prologic, my ffmpeg is libavcodec 3342336 and libavformat 3276800

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kormoc:

checked out on 2006 03 02

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xris:

libavcodec version: 51.7.0

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xris:

that's how messed up the cvs stuff is for ffmpeg

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prologic:

geez

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xris:

prologic: use transcode for xvid exporting, anyway.. the quality is better

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prologic:

oh

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prologic:

how does one do that ?

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WAR_CH|LD:

achew22, "dvb_bt8xx" is the dvb modeul you need for anything with the cx2388x chipset. :) and then life is good

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prologic:

I have transcode-1.0.2 installed

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achew22:

WAR_CH|LD apparently when dapper booted it disabled my lan card and i'm in the process of fixing that

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WAR_CH|LD:

haha. :)

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WAR_CH|LD:

the guy who writes the driver, is actually an aussie/queenslander. :)

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WAR_CH|LD:

http://www.itee.uq.edu.au/~chrisp/Linux-DVB/DVICO/ <--- thats his website

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kormoc:

you know, queenslander sounds like someone who would get along with the monty python lumberjack really well

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xris:

prologic: it's all covered in the nuvexportrc file

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xris:

basically, --transcode

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dns_server1:

i use that card, i just compile the driver from v4l source

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prologic:

ahh right

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prologic:

any docs on what this .nuvexportrc file looks like ?

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xris:

prologic: it's all in the file itself

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achew22:

WAR_CH|LD what is the icon in the top left hand corner... is that a breadboard pci card?

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prologic:

got it

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WAR_CH|LD:

haha, I dunno achew22. :) it's the back fo a pcb thou

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achew22:

that would be crazy

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prologic:

cool

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prologic:

finally exporting something :)

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prologic:

xris, the default nuvexportrc file okay ?

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prologic:

just changed ffmpet to transcode

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xris:

prologic: you don't even have to do that.

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xris:

the file tells you that all of the options can also be used on the commandline

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prologic:

yeah you mean just nuvexport --transcode

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prologic:

*nods*

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prologic:

anywy, we'll wait a few hours and see what the result is liike :)

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achew22:

WAR_CH|LD alright — openssh is up and I got my packages.list file setup. Where do we go now

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prologic:

and um thanks for ya help xris

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achew22:

does subversion run over http?

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xris:

achew22: it can

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dns_server1:

it is a protacol with a simular structure to http (same format of messages but different commands)

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achew22:

nifty... so could you setup special html pages that would allow svn to be used via apache?

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prologic:

you just set the svn-dav module

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xris:

achew22: not special pages... mod_dav_svn — apache plugin

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prologic:

and a few config items :)

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achew22:

ohh

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xris:

achew22: svn.mythtv.org/trac

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achew22:

i know about trac

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xris:

achew22: read the page

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xris:

as in: svn co http....

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kormoc:

amusing, revision [10101]

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achew22:

HA! I just checked out version 10101

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achew22:

how often is that number incremented?

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xris:

achew22: every time something is checked in

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achew22:

so it wont be this way for long

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xris:

nope

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achew22:

okay — how do you check out mytharchive... its not on the list on the front page

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xris:

achew22: I think it's in mythplugins

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achew22:

lets see

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xris:

use the "browse" link in trac to find it

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achew22:

okay

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achew22:

is mythmovietime dead?

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xris:

yes

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achew22:

xris — configure told me to send a message to mythtv-users@mythtv.org is there any more info I need to send other than my proc info?

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armand:

what happened?

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achew22:

it didn't detect my processor

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xris:

achew22: mythtv-users is the users mailing list (ie. you need to subscribe, too)

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achew22:

I'm subscribed

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achew22:

http://pastebin.com/752652

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achew22:

thats what it told me

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armand:

nice

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achew22:

should I get ccache before I compile or will it save me much time?

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armand:

yeah id do what it says, thats probably best ;)

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achew22:

I'm looking for *more* info to put on there

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armand:

with 1.5gig of ram, my backend runs much better

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achew22:

lol

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achew22:

good call

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armand:

its interesting too.. how as i watch a recording on a remote frontend, memory cache slowly climbes in vmstat until it reaches 1gig

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xris:

achew22: ccache is good if you compile the same thing a lot

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armand:

then it hovers there... until i finish, then delete the recording

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armand:

interesting thing, is that i cant find where the memory is going

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achew22:

xris: i just got it — it was only 26.X kb so I figured it wouldn't slow things down

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xris:

armand: probably the file cache

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armand:

vmstat shows it going to cache

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armand:

hrm but would file cache show up as memory cache?

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armand:

total used free shared buffers cached

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armand:

Mem: 1555560 1524256 31304 0 6148 1058664

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armand:

hrmph.

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achew22:

xris: what if you do make clean? does it still have the cached version of the stuff?

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armand:

oh well *shrug*

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xris:

achew22: ~/.ccache

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achew22:

cool

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achew22:

have you ever gotten a bad compile from it?

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xris:

and yes, it will sometimes get corrupt and you have to wipe it.. it also gets big.

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achew22:

how big?

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xris:

no bad compiles, but failed compiles

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xris:

mine's 511M at the moment

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achew22:

so if I fail at compiling then I should clean out ~/.ccache

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xris:

achew22: always a good first step

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achew22:

okay

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xris:

if it still fails, then there's likely something else wrong

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achew22:

I got an 80gb in this one and it wont be storing the recordings

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achew22:

is there a way to distribute your cards and not do nfs sharing of a folder between each computer?

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achew22:

netsplit?

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xris:

not do nfs? yeah, the backends will each stream just fine

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armand:

xris: do you do nfs over tcp or nfs over udp?

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xris:

armand: udp, I think. not sure. whatever fedora does by default

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achew22:

xris maybe I didn't phrase that well

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armand:

udp probably

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achew22:

xris the computer I want to house all the recordings doesn't have enough pci slots to hold all my cards. is there a way to have all the recordings go there without doing nfs?

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xris:

achew22: samba?

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achew22:

ha — okay so do it over nfs

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xris:

iscsi

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armand:

nfs is your best bet

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xris:

nfs is easiest

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achew22:

so when you record stuff it wont move it like it does when it plays it back

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achew22:

5 "it"s in that statement. I don't think I could get any more vague

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achew22:

backends wont stream the file over mythprotocol like frontends do

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armand:

no, backends dont transfer files between each other

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achew22:

too bad

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armand:

they either use shared storage like nfs, or they use their individual recording dirs

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armand:

why is it too bad? if they did, it would have to be coded, and thats reinventing the wheel when nfs already exists

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achew22:

yes — but i'm saying shucks becasue thats another thing for me to setup

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armand:

imagine if you had to code it

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armand:

shucks

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armand:

:P

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b-_-d:

ya it is hard to setup

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armand:

nfs is simple

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achew22:

<-- noob

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armand:

just type nfs howto into google

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achew22:

armand you underestimate my stupidity

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armand:

there's like a bazillion of them

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armand:

i bet you know about google :)

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xris:

achew22: generally, you edit /etc/exports and restart nfs.. it's really easy

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Sebulba02:

it's easier than, say, samba

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armand:

then on your nfsclient box add it to /etc/fstab

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achew22:

samba has a GUI....

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b-_-d:

sql support is waht makes it soo hard

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achew22:

b-_-d SQL makes what hard?

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b-_-d:

myth

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achew22:

I didn't have any problem with that but I've been using mysql for a long time even when I was in windows land

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b-_-d:

i can not seem to build it with out sql support

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Sebulba02:

I found figuring out how to populate the channels was the hardest, the rest was a piece of pie

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achew22:

you need mysql

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achew22:

b-_-d: mysql is where EVERYTHING is stored

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b-_-d:

achew22 not if i can edit the code correctly

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Sebulba02:

except the recorded data

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achew22:

yeah — my db is large enough already

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achew22:

lets not move the recordings into the db

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b-_-d:

trying to get it to store data as files

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achew22:

why?

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b-_-d:

achew22 to make setup easy

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achew22:

b-_-d why don't you write a setup.sh script?

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b-_-d:

that would not get rid of sql

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achew22:

do you have issues with sql?

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b-_-d:

at times

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achew22:

howcome when I sugest reinventing the wheel everyone jumps on my back and he hasn't gotten a lick of harasment from anyone other than me?

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b-_-d:

enoff to want to recode parts of the app

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kormoc:

b-_-d, so why don't you?

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b-_-d:

my version is not working :(

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Sebulba02:

how would you like your new wheel achew22?

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b-_-d:

coding last two weeks

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achew22:

its shiner than the previous one

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kormoc:

b-_-d, and really, are you surprised that you can't compile myth without one of it's requriements?

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Sebulba02:

shiney is good

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achew22:

shiney is one of my favorite words

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achew22:

its up there with cumquat

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b-_-d:

kormoc it will compile with out sql

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kormoc:

b-_-d, also, how are you going to handle the overhead of using flat files (I assume? maybe xml?) rather then highly a optimized database engine?

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kormoc:

b-_-d, sure, but it won't work...

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armand:

thats time, myth did not release all the memory it had cached

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kormoc:

b-_-d, requirements are requirements for a reason...

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armand:

dammit

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Sebulba02:

not to mention mythweb, who could live without that?

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achew22:

Sebulba02 I'm so glad that I didn't stay in that argument — I'm lost

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** kormoc laughs at how slow the listings would take if done as a flat file. **

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achew22:

kormoc your a dev (or you help submite code) right?

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Sebulba02:

yeah, that'd be crazy slow

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achew22:

submit*

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Sebulba02:

unless you stored it all in memory

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kormoc:

achew22, I help with mythweb a little, but I'm no dev

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achew22:

okay... but you would know I think

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kormoc:

Sebulba02, and imagine all the logic to get the data into order how you wanted!

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Sebulba02:

kormoc: I'd rather not :)

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b-_-d:

kormoc i only want a app i can press record on and it dump to a file

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achew22:

how do devs deal with the fact that it takes 20 min to compile myth? it seems like its a long time to get feedback on your code

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kormoc:

b-_-d, there are apps out there to do that

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kormoc:

achew22, ccache

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Sebulba02:

achew22: what kind of box you compiling on?

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b-_-d:

kormoc what app

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b-_-d:

cool

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kormoc:

achew22, it caches the compile and will only recompile changed files

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achew22:

ohh cool

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kormoc:

b-_-d, what tuner are you using?

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achew22:

freevo will do that I beleive

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b-_-d:

bttv based tuner

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kormoc:

you can use xawtv's streamer app to do that I beleive

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x2:

hi all, does any one using mythtv with a slow CPU here ? :p

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b-_-d:

ok thanks

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kormoc:

b-_-d, also cupid I beleive

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kormoc:

b-_-d, also mencode can as well, if I recall correctly

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Sebulba02:

x2: define "slow" ?

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Sebulba02:

486?

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x2:

Sebulba02, ~ 500Mhz :)

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Sebulba02:

not me, heh

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xris:

x2: that's pretty slow. what's your question/problem?

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armand:

i use mythtv with a p3 450mhz

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x2:

xris, well it works *fine* for play movie but switch screen it kinda slow/lagy

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armand:

only frontend hehe

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x2:

i mean also for the menu ..

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x2:

looking to tips for optimize it... i've activated DRI but dosnt seeams to change anything

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xris:

x2: switch screen? you running svn?

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achew22:

there is a tutorial for slow computers

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x2:

xris, sorry for my english .. i mean when press "up" or "down" :)

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Sebulba02:

channel flipping? meny switching?

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achew22:

x2 whats your native toung?

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achew22:

tongue?

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kayelem:

One tip is to set it to "browse mode" so you can step through the channels quickly then press "enter" to select the one you want... and I'm running it on a 2GHz box...

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xris:

x2: which version of mythtv are you running?

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x2:

svn one .. slowest is in mythmusic's menu for change mp3

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xris:

achew22: by his IP, I'd say french.

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x2:

lol >.<

[02:36:52]

achew22:

I don't think you got it from his IP — maybe his host

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banyan:

Are most off-the-shelf DVD players OK with variable-bit-rate video in a DVD? I ask because the auto selection in avidemux2 for dvd creates variable-bit-rate video.

[02:37:12]

xris:

x2: turn off the opengl menu shader, or fix your video card driver so that it does opengl acceleration.

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xris:

banyan: yes

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achew22:

xris: that would be an amazing trick if you memorized what each octed coordinated with

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banyan:

I don't want to convert a pile of stuff only to find that my DVD player is going to barf is why I ask.

[02:37:39]

achew22:

octet*

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xris:

achew22: whois ip-address@whois.arin.net

[02:38:11]

xris:

tells you who owns the block the ip is attached to

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x2:

xris, i've already disabled it, now instead of opengl's gears i have the music's cover :p

[02:38:58]

xris:

x2: that's the only thing I can think of that would cause slow menus

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kayelem:

Oh, btw, on the offchance anyone's been following the daft things I'm doing with MythTV; I worked out a better modeline for 405-line 50Hz and have a saner resolution and a readable UI at last :-D – http://www.technogoths.demon.co.uk/405/20060529-405-PG.jpg

[02:40:59]

achew22:

crap! does anyone know the folder that firmware goes into in dapper?

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x2:

i see.. well i'm just trying to get feedback to guess if it is a problem on my box or it's slow "cause it's slow" @ 500Mhz

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Sebulba02:

x2: you know you just want a faster box :p

[02:42:07]

kayelem:

It was rather slow on my first atempt with a 600MHz P3; hence picking up a 2GHz Athlon XP box for it recently.

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banyan:

anybody know if there's a "description URL" to configure smart to use livna?

[02:43:16]

kayelem:

It might actually handle more tuner cards if I get a distribution amp and some splitters.

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kayelem:

Anyone else found the loop output on the Hauppauge WinTV Nova T is so noisy as to be unusable? Dunno why they bothered fitting it...

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x2:

Sebulba02, ya :)) just feelingly about this box .. u know what i mean :)

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x2:

thanks kayelem .. think i'm in same situation ..that just *strange* cause it's enought to watch divx

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achew22:

does anyone know what package contains mkuser in ubuntu?

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xris:

achew22: apt-cache search?

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x2:

xris, honeslty i havnt look at the code source .. but how mythtv display menu ? it is SDL or qt ?

[02:49:43]

xris:

qt

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x2:

ha.. as far as u know does is it optimised ? maybe i can check if i can improve it ?

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x2:

-does :D sorry :)

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xris:

no clue there

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xris:

but assuming we're talking about the same thing, it's opengl, so if your video card can't handle it, no optimization will help

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bRuZdEGO:

what does mythcontrols do?

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xris:

lol, my poor empty mythbox.. only 9G used.

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achew22:

xris: why is mythweb's index page not called index?

[03:02:39]

xris:

achew22: in .19/svn?

[03:02:49]

xris:

because it's not an index page

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x2:

achew22, were you taking about this http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Optimizing_Performance ?

[03:03:17]

achew22:

no... I only see 1 page in there — doesn't that mean its the index page?

[03:03:42]

xris:

achew22: an index page on steroids, maybe.

[03:03:51]

xris:

it's the main mythweb handler script.

[03:03:58]

xris:

no need to call it index.php

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xris:

there's also a mythweb.pl in svn

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jasta:

im really beginning to hate debian etch atm

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bRuZdEGO:

haha, what does mythvideo plugin do? having all these plugins is great but a description of what they do in there readme files would be good

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bRuZdEGO:

the rest can be wokred out or they actually do have an description. :)

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Dagmar:

Use your head.

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Dagmar:

If you're actually *running* myth you have to have suffered some blunt head trauma to not know what MythVideo does

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Dagmar:

..and they do have descriptions

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bRuZdEGO:

what does ymmv mean?

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MonMotha:

your mileage may vary

[03:42:23]

MonMotha:

it's kinda a play on the EPA file economy ratings in the USA

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bRuZdEGO:

haha, hilarious. :)

[03:42:34]

bRuZdEGO:

thanks man

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MonMotha:

basically, it means that your "luck" with that certain thing may or may not be as good as the person saying it

[03:43:36]

m13a8_:

my friend has digital cable with 999 channels, and he is thinking about getting a tv tuner to use with mythtv, but the one he wants says "supports 125 channels", now this may sound stupid but will he still be able to recieve all channels"

[03:51:21]

xris:

m13a8_: firewire

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xris:

m13a8_: 125 channels is analog... you can get more than that if you hook directly to the cable box via svideo/composite.. but if he's paying for HD, he can get a firewire-capable box and hook that straight into myth without a tuner card.

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m13a8_:

alright, thanks

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achew22:

xris how do you reopen a bug?

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xris:

you click the "reopen" radio button

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achew22:

oops — it was just out of view on the page

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achew22:

xris: what do I have to do to fix this http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/533?

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dscoular:

achew22, downgrade mysql ?

[04:51:28]

achew22:

dscoular it errors when I try to downgrade

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dscoular:

achew22, mysql complains about repeat being a keyword ?

[04:52:52]

achew22:

yep

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dscoular:

But the patch #7607 changes the field name to isrepeat.

[04:56:23]

dscoular:

See line 1008 of http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . tadirect.cpp

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xris:

achew22: rebuild mythtv

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dscoular:

achew22, I think your database isn't quite right

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dscoular:

achew22, there seems to be some discussion on #mythtv about this right now.

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chovy:

is it possible to playback on my television?

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dscoular:

chovy, given the right video card, yes.

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chovy:

dscoular: i would want a small box next to my television set that i can record movies from, and then play them back on the tv. I need a tv-tuner + tv-out card?

[05:00:29]

dscoular:

chovy, pretty much, yes.

[05:00:33]

chovy:

it would have to use the tv as it's controler interface

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chovy:

with remote :)

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dscoular:

chovy, that is what mythtv is for... visit www.mythtv.org for more info.

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achew22:

dscoular: sorry — I had to wrangle a dog

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achew22:

dscoular how do I apply 7607 to my copy?

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Dagmar:

We don't need to know about your euphemisms

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achew22:

lol — its a 25 pound cockapoo... thats dirty

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dscoular:

achew22, svn update

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achew22:

dscoular: thankyou

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achew22:

NOOO!!!

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MonMotha:

ok, there is DEFINATELY a bug in the ivtv drivers

[05:16:38]

achew22:

I'm nolonger version 10101

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MonMotha:

too bad it's so random that it's impossible to reproduce

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dscoular:

achew22, I don't know what you are talking about I'm afraid.

[05:17:15]

achew22:

MonMotha I gotta say that definitely sounds like user error if its impossible to reproduce

[05:17:26]

achew22:

dscoular its 25% poodle 75% cockerspaniel

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MonMotha:

achew22: doubtful. it works fine, until it randomly stops sending data

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achew22:

dscoular my sis works in a dog store — I was tought all the naems of these dogs

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achew22:

MonMotha: just remember they are doing this for free so be nice

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MonMotha:

seems to be dependant on the video signal. It does it all the time on cable here at home, but very, very rarely on the output of a digital cable box

[05:18:00]

** dscoular wonders why achew22 is telling him this **

[05:18:21]

achew22:

wait — weren't you refrencing my line about a 25 pound cockapoo?

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MonMotha:

achew22: oh I'm aware. The issue is that *I* can't troubleshoot it. Since it's impossible to reproduce and doesn't throw any kind of error

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dscoular:

achew22, no

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MonMotha:

it just stops sending data. At least that doesn't break mythtv badly anymore (you just end up with a truncated recording)

[05:18:51]

achew22:

dscoular nevermind

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achew22:

MonMotha do you have any other cards?

[05:19:23]

MonMotha:

achew22: yeah, the standard v4l tuner works fine, as does the HD tuner

[05:19:36]

MonMotha:

I've tried two cards, 3 systems, and countless driver revisions

[05:19:43]

MonMotha:

always does it, but it's impossibel to reliably reproduce

[05:19:53]

achew22:

it could be your card.

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MonMotha:

two of the,?

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MonMotha:

it did it on two different cards

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achew22:

ohh sorry — misread that part

[05:20:26]

MonMotha:

of course, these cards seem very, very cheaply built and flake

[05:20:26]

MonMotha:

y

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dscoular:

MonMotha, could it be your signal ?

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MonMotha:

first one I had had a bad tuner module

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MonMotha:

dscoular: I'm presuming something is happening that is confusing the MPEG encoder (skipping a sync pulse, etc.)

[05:21:00]

MonMotha:

in terms of "signal quality" (being subjective), it's great

[05:21:13]

MonMotha:

picture quality is excellent, digital cable SNR is through the roof

[05:21:15]

achew22:

dscoular: I saw a change that made e eject the cdrom — did that ever get applied to the trunk?

[05:21:49]

dscoular:

achew22, you have access to svn.mythtv.org... search for the ticket and it will tell you.

[05:21:49]

MonMotha:

it's obviously related to the incomign signal since it doesn't do it on the output of a digital cable box (which uses the same hardware path as the tuner, just skipping the downconverter)

[05:23:26]

Octavious:

how do i watch a show that is in the process of being recorded?

[05:23:50]

MonMotha:

Octavious: it should show up in the recordings menu

[05:25:38]

MonMotha:

I'd go fix the ivtv bug myself, but I really just don't have the time. I know it isn't a MythTV bug at least since you can just sit there and cat /dev/video2 > /dev/null and it'll eventually stop sending data

[05:25:47]

MonMotha:

(any ivtv people in here with an idea, please feel free to speak up...)

[05:28:03]

achew22:

Octavious did you figure it out?

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Octavious:

achew22: i'm embarassed to say it, but no

[05:30:14]

achew22:

under recorded program it will show up in purple

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xris:

Octavious: it's in the recorded programs list

[05:30:25]

achew22:

well — its purple on my theme it could be another color for you

[05:30:34]

achew22:

xris I found a bug on your site

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achew22:

wait... nevermind

[05:30:41]

xris:

achew22: which one?

[05:30:52]

achew22:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/moin.cgi/FrontPage

[05:30:58]

achew22:

chances are thats not your site though

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xris:

achew22: not my site

[05:31:08]

xris:

and mythtv's wiki doesn't use moin.

[05:31:14]

achew22:

hrm....

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xris:

that's a bad link/forward from the mythtv.info wiki

[05:31:17]

achew22:

beirdo has a problem then

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xris:

beirdo is probably linking to mythtv.info, which forwards to the new wiki.

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achew22:

no... its direct to this page http://www.mythtv.info/moin.cgi/FrontPage

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achew22:

that redirects to /wiki/moin.cgi

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xris:

yeah..

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achew22:

thats not the link though..

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xris:

mythtv.info forwards to mythtv.org/wiki/

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xris:

and tacks the rest of the URL on the end

[05:32:50]

achew22:

okay — its still a broken link

[05:32:53]

xris:

yes

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achew22:

http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/wiki/index.php/Main_Page on the side "MythTV.info wiki"

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achew22:

since I never have the fortune to see him would you be kind enough to tell him?

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xris:

he's been gone for like 5 weeks. no idea when he gets back

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achew22:

really?

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achew22:

thats quite a break

[05:34:03]

achew22:

but he is still in the channel. Thats strange

[05:34:17]

xris:

he runs an irc proxy connected to a colo server

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achew22:

I thought that was MythLogBot

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achew22:

!trout achew22

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** MythLogBot slaps achew22 with a trout on behalf of achew22... **

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xris:

no, that's the bot. he proxies his own connection, too.. so he could connect from home or work without having to use separate connections (and so he wouldn't miss conversation in between)

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achew22:

nifty

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xris:

my guess is that he's just busy.. moving from canada to puerto rico, getting married, etc.

[05:35:49]

achew22:

he's moving from canada to puerto rico!

[05:35:53]

achew22:

thast quite a jump

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xris:

moved

[05:36:03]

xris:

new wife is in PR. would you pick toronto over PR?

[05:36:05]

mchou:

xris: it already happened?

[05:36:12]

xris:

mchou: wedding date was the 20th

[05:36:29]

mchou:

xris: I'd pick canada

[05:36:41]

xris:

mchou: you're crazy, though.

[05:36:46]

achew22:

xris: I would pick toronto over PR

[05:36:54]

achew22:

I'm a big skier though

[05:36:55]

mchou:

xris: no, just not Jesusland

[05:36:58]

xris:

ok, you're both nuts

[05:37:01]

achew22:

:D

[05:37:03]

achew22:

i like cheese

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xris:

mchou: Beirdo like it that way, though.

[05:37:23]

xris:

achew22: hopefully they import cheese to san juan

[05:37:32]

achew22:

hopefully

[05:37:47]

achew22:

all my dogs are named after cheese

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xris:

lol

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achew22:

Colby, Stilton, and Brin

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xris:

heh

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achew22:

although if I had to do it again I name them after the codenames for firefox

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achew22:

"Here Bon Echo!"

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achew22:

xris I hope you don't mind me unwinding — I had a 4 hour math final today

[05:40:38]

xris:

achew22: lol.. glad I'm done with finals

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xris:

I just spent the last 2 hours migrating my mail server.

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chovy:

fun

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mchou:

achew22: you a math major?

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achew22:

I have a 2 and a half hour chem final and same ammount for english tomorrow

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achew22:

mchou nope

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chovy:

xris: what do you recommend for a mail server?

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achew22:

mchou just taking math classes

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xris:

chovy: I use courier.. but that's because all of my free support is from courier admins

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achew22:

xris: you should have said exchange

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xris:

achew22: that's not even funny. heh

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Octavious:

i love math. i'll probably double-major. computer engineering + math

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achew22:

math is REALLY interesting

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Octavious:

achew22: what math classes are you taking?

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mchou:

Octavious: trust me, 1 major is more than enough.....

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achew22:

Higher level calc

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achew22:

I'm a senior in high school and taking math classes at college though so no making fun of me

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thechris:

look for the book "nonlinear dynamics and caos with applications to [science] and engineering"

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xris:

I was a math major for about 4 weeks

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thechris:

well, after you take a semester of diffyq

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Octavious:

mchou: it depends. i could do it without too much more effort

[05:44:02]

achew22:

my father has a book called "introduction to basic complex math" aka easy hard math

[05:44:04]

thechris:

the book is just so easy to read. well presented and all

[05:44:23]

mchou:

thechris: who wrote that book?

[05:44:30]

Octavious:

diffyq was very interesting. just finished up diffyq II this past quarter.

[05:44:31]

thechris:

starts with an S

[05:44:37]

thechris:

stogertz?

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achew22:

was it this http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0738204536/1 . . . amp;n=283155

[05:45:01]

mchou:

thechris: it doesnt use complex analysis?

[05:45:04]

thechris:

stephen h strogatz

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achew22:

wow we all can google

[05:45:32]

achew22:

xris: whats your major?

[05:45:35]

thechris:

not sure what you mean by complex analysis.

[05:45:56]

mchou:

thechris: the branch of math called complex analysis

[05:45:58]

xris:

achew22: BA in philosphy (religion and psych minors), MA in social sciences (anthropology)

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mchou:

thechris: branch cuts and all that......

[05:46:32]

achew22:

but you seem to be a computer guy. Why are you doing the other kinds of science

[05:46:37]

thechris:

mchou: not sure then. it presents the topic of nonlinear differential equations in a very easy to follow manner

[05:46:53]

thechris:

branch cuts = bifurcations?

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xris:

achew22: paid my way through school with computers.. when I got out, it was easier to get a job in computers (esp. since the only thing people said I could do with my MA was more school or "consulting" and no one could tell me what "consulting" actually was)

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xris:

achew22: search the logs for the religious discussions in here, though. I'm great at those, too. :)

[05:47:51]

xris:

albeit somewhat out of practice

[05:48:05]

achew22:

xris: whats your oppinion on the book of judah?

[05:48:18]

xris:

achew22: don't know anything about it.

[05:48:28]

achew22:

aww.

[05:48:30]

xris:

my focus was on south asia

[05:48:42]

achew22:

how did taoism start?

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thechris:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invalid_proof — i find these math proofs neat...

[05:48:53]

xris:

I only know christianity/judaism from comparison courses

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xris:

achew22: *south* asia

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achew22:

ohh

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achew22:

sorry

[05:49:01]

xris:

buddhism/hinduism

[05:49:15]

achew22:

I had a gf who was a taoist and couldn't explain it to me

[05:49:19]

xris:

a fair amount of islam (though no more than judaism/christianity)

[05:49:32]

xris:

achew22: that's because you can't.

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xris:

by definition

[05:49:50]

achew22:

book of judah is a book that says that judah was asked by jesus to betray him

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mchou:

achew22: heh, I would had understood had you said Judas

[05:50:22]

thechris:

they had an interesting show on TV about this kind of thing today

[05:50:28]

xris:

achew22: there are hundreds of gospels and other biblical texts that didn't make it into the accepted canon.

[05:50:43]

thechris:

they looked at some of the oldest bibles and did a diff

[05:50:54]

thechris:

found some edits, adds, and deletes

[05:50:54]

achew22:

xris: but this one is perticularly destructive to the traditional views of the catholic church

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xris:

achew22: there are LOTS of books like that, though.

[05:51:28]

achew22:

xris: is releigion setup to controll the masses? or to steer the masses?

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xris:

considering the bible as we know it was compiled by the Catholic church (not to be confused with catholic, which is just an adjective meaning "universal")

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mchou:

xris: huh???

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xris:

achew22: I don't think they're "set up" in that fashion.. whether that's how they're used or not is up to interpretation

[05:52:14]

xris:

mchou: which part?

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achew22:

xris: i'm a reformed cathoic — thats why I picked them. I am most farmiliar with that.

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mchou:

xris: theys jews had nothing to do with the bible?

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xris:

mchou: compiled, not wrote

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mchou:

the*

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xris:

old testament != torah

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xris:

OT is parts of the torah, rearranged with the prophets at the end to make a nice transition into the NT.

[05:53:16]

mchou:

xris: I never equated the two

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xris:

mchou: your comment sounded like that's what you were talking about.

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achew22:

xris: whats your oppinion on christian rock?

[05:55:30]

xris:

achew22: don't really have one

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achew22:

aaw

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mchou:

achew22: what's the definition of "Christian Rock?"

[05:56:50]

achew22:

its a type of music... a radio station poped up recently that spouts off what it calls "Christian Rock"

[05:56:54]

achew22:

I really don't like it

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mchou:

achew22: Is that like John Lennon with "Give Peace a Chance?" :)

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xris:

achew22: there are as many kinds of christian rock as there are kinds of rock.

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achew22:

http://www.christianrock.net/

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xris:

Beirdo: listens to some of the hardest harshest "death rock" that's 100% christian in the lyrics.

[05:58:21]

achew22:

mchou: The beatles are their own kind of music

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xris:

what I find more funny is that Evanescence was confused for christian rock at one point... then they were bad mouthed by christian publications for "losing their way"... when they never were christian to begin with.

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mchou:

achew22: "Christian Rock" is a marketing label to extend evangelical appeal to "youth"

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achew22:

basicly

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xris:

afk for a bit.

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mchou:

achew22: so as a "classification," Christian Rock is next to useless as a terminology

[06:00:47]

achew22:

there are bands that classify themselvs as Christian rock

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achew22:

those are the people I'm discussing

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mchou:

achew22: I think that means they get to perform in churches. :)

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achew22:

I don't know....

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achew22:

never been in a church where a christian rock band was playing

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mchou:

achew22: that's cause you dont live in the South

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mchou:

like TX and east coast

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achew22:

mchou do you?

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mchou:

achew22: nope. But I've seen them

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achew22:

mchou is mocker_ showing us as someone from china to you?

[06:03:31]

achew22:

mchou you've seen the south?

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achew22:

so have I

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mchou:

achew22: huh??

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achew22:

what have you seen?

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mchou:

Appalachia, TN....

[06:04:10]

mchou:

TX

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mchou:

I think most of it is dreck

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mchou:

those areas kids have nothing else "productive" to do. No "social" outlets.

[06:05:41]

mchou:

So they use "Christian Rock" as an excuse to hang

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achew22:

so they go to church?

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mchou:

yup, church is BIG on the social scene out there

[06:06:19]

achew22:

hrm....

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achew22:

I'm glad I'm not from texas

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

I'd be hating life if "church" was centriece of my social life too :)

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mchou:

centerpiece*

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achew22:

my grandma is a racest extremest republican and she is from texas

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mchou:

achew22: heh, doesnt surprise me at all

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achew22:

thats another reason I don't like texas

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achew22:

she is an army brat — she is as much from germany as she is from texas (i point that out to her whenever she spouts off about being from texas)

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mchou:

I know of plenty of raciest types in TX, especially "older" generation.

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mchou:

achew22: the sad thing is they dont think they are raciest

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achew22:

the sad thing is that she is my grandma and I hold my toung enough to not spout off a whole crap load

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mchou:

like they are clueless and rationalized away their racism

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mchou:

achew22: how old is your grandma?

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achew22:

88

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mchou:

well, she's definitely from a different era :)

[06:11:26]

achew22:

yep

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achew22:

I slipped up once and asked her if she was nice to her slaves....

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mchou:

achew22: haha!

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mchou:

achew22: and she said "Yes?" :)

[06:12:20]

achew22:

she responded with "we beat them when they didn't work"

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mchou:

lol

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achew22:

no i'm only kidding she yelled at me

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achew22:

she watches fox news all day

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mchou:

yelled at you in what way? what specifically did she say?

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achew22:

you've obviously never been yelled at by the elderly. you can't understand what they are saying. You just run over the events of the day and turn off your brain for a little while

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mchou:

achew22: huh??

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achew22:

basicly you turn off your brain and wait for them to finish

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mchou:

achew22: that just means YOU werent listening :)

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achew22:

basicly

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achew22:

like my gov. class

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mchou:

achew22: I bet she was understanably coherent...

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achew22:

i'm going to blame selective hearing

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achew22:

the other thing that bugs me is they drive a 70's caddilac around and she thinks its so great. but she has run into so much crap that it is a peice

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mchou:

achew22: dude, should you be cramming for your chem exam?

[06:16:04]

achew22:

why? I've got a 97% in the class

[06:16:11]

achew22:

if I get a 20% i'm fine with an A

[06:16:15]

achew22:

well — A-

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achew22:

i'm trying to get mytharchive to be on there somewhere

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mchou:

70s cadillac?? That doesnt make sense

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mchou:

why'd she be nostalagic for a 70's cad?

[06:17:47]

mchou:

next time you she her, ask her if she made out in the back of one :)

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mchou:

s/she/see

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achew22:

i like your regexp replacement

[06:19:08]

achew22:

she is proud of the fact that she has 160,000 miles on it

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mchou:

hehe

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achew22:

I have an 88' Toyota Camery (hatchback) with 170,000 I'm so excited to show her the milage

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mchou:

achew22: lol, that piss her off for sure

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mchou:

she'd say "damn jap piece of crap!"

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achew22:

anyways

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achew22:

she watches bill o'riley too

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achew22:

thats what really gets me

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mchou:

bah, she probably listens to Rush too

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mchou:

nothing you can do about that

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achew22:

she tries to argue his points to me

[06:21:18]

achew22:

its really anoying

[06:21:38]

achew22:

she doesn't have the tallent that that man has. His tallent is to pick opponents who will lie down and take it in the ass. Unfortunately for her I don't, and I rip her arguments to shreads....

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mchou:

achew22: so, you saying you've conviced her O'reilly is wrong 99.99% of the time?

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mchou:

convinced*

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achew22:

no

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mchou:

achew22: then you didnt do it right :)

[06:23:02]

achew22:

ripping her arguments to shreads and convincing her that O'reilly is wrong are two VERY different things

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achew22:

its like walking though the bible belt saying "Switch to athiesm its way cooler than being religious" while at the same time discounting the bible. your not going to get very far

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mchou:

achew22: "cooler" generally doesnt work on old ppl :)

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achew22:

shuddup

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mchou:

achew22: it might score with the younger crowd though :)

[06:25:26]

achew22:

there is a chance

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achew22:

I fllled my db with the wrong data! damnit

[06:28:09]

achew22:

wow — whats wrong with my mythtv-setup its moving REALLY slow

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achew22:

mchou is there a way to tell it to run a command when its done rebooting?

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mchou:

heh, in rc.local :)

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achew22:

damn

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achew22:

mchou are you any good with girls?

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mchou:

lol

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achew22:

I'll take that as a no

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mchou:

you come to irc for sex advice?

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achew22:

no — ex girlfriend advince

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achew22:

advice*

[06:34:22]

achew22:

I got the whole getting sex thing down

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mchou:

haha!!

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achew22:

;)

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achew22:

the trick is to get a gf

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mchou:

achew22: it's not hard to do

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achew22:

talk to my friends

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mchou:

achew22: show them you are a good danceand you got them hooked

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sphery:

achew22: for the slow mythtv-setup thing...

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sphery:

mythtv-setup -O ThemePainter=qt

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mchou:

dancer*

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achew22:

when is /etc/init.d/* executed?

[06:35:59]

mchou:

achew22: like that movie "Napoleopn Dynamite"

[06:36:15]

achew22:

that was such a bad movie

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mchou:

achew22: even geeks get "lucky"

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dscoular:

achew22, by inittab throug rc.local or by the service command

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dscoular:

achew22, init parses inittab

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achew22:

it isn't running them for me until the auto login has happened

[06:36:43]

mchou:

achew22: huh??

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mchou:

achew22: I thought the movie was alright

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achew22:

no — it was really bad I couldn't make it through the first half hour

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dscoular:

achew22, login normally has nothing to do with /etc/init.d/*

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achew22:

its weird then --- good to know

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mchou:

achew22: then you have ADD

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achew22:

I have really bad ADD

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mchou:

achew22: another way to get "lucky" is to show them you are a good chef

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achew22:

mchou all people who are good with computers have some form of addd

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mchou:

achew22: that works for me 100% of the time

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achew22:

what do you make htem?

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mchou:

achew22: Spicy thai food :)

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achew22:

I find threats work well...

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achew22:

;)

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mchou:

achew22: I find that cooking also determines whether she is a "good match" or not

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mchou:

find out their food habits real quick

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achew22:

mchou: I don't have problems with this

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mchou:

like no need for me to date vegans :)

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achew22:

a girl dumped me and I don't want to date her again — but she wants to date again

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achew22:

and I want her off my back

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mchou:

lol

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achew22:

how do I do that without having all her friends pissed at me

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mchou:

that's easy

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achew22:

I would have been like "fuck off" a long time ago, but the friends thing

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mchou:

achew22: just say you happen to be seeing someone else right now :)

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achew22:

I would love to do that but she knows everyone

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mchou:

that'd be dropping her gently :)

[06:44:09]

mchou:

she knows everyone??

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achew22:

i'm just going to drop her hard

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mchou:

htf isthat possible?

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achew22:

its simple

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achew22:

sleep with her sister

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achew22:

now we combign your ideas with mine — I'll make her sister some spicy tai food

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mchou:

achew22: what is she, the homecoming queen at you school?

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achew22:

princess

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mchou:

achew22: same diff

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achew22:

god damn why are these menu's so slow?

[06:46:38]

mchou:

achew22: haha, you stepped on a political land mine

[06:46:44]

achew22:

no joke

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mchou:

achew22: outkast is gonna be your new nick

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achew22:

lol

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achew22:

I'm a weasle though — I'll work my way out of this

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mchou:

achew22: I dont understand why you'd cae so much

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mchou:

care*

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mchou:

like you'd be off to college in a year or so......

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achew22:

why not care?

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mchou:

then the "high school scene" no longer matters

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achew22:

I go to a school of 3500 its what we do

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mchou:

achew22: huh??

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achew22:

the high school scene is what we do

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mchou:

achew22: no, I mean the college thing

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achew22:

when I go to college it will be smaller than my high school :D

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mchou:

like wtf you you care about the "scene" once you're off to college?

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achew22:

I want girls this summer

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mchou:

achew22: you a junior or senior?

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achew22:

junior

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achew22:

well I'm in the Junior /senior thing

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mchou:

get girls from the college calc class. QED :)

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achew22:

finishing junior year starting senior

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achew22:

lol

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achew22:

what db holds your listings?

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achew22:

screw it — I just dropped my db

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achew22:

mchou do you have any experience with replacing drivers?

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mchou:

drivers such as?

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achew22:

my nic card

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achew22:

it stops working after about 5 min unless I tell it to ping on and endless loop

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achew22:

then it stops working 30+ min in

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mchou:

achew22: what driver you using now?

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achew22:

I don't know — I'm rebooting

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achew22:

i'll tell you in a sec

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achew22:

its onboard nic so I can't just replace it

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achew22:

mchou what do I call to find the driver

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mchou:

lsmod

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achew22:

http://pastebin.com/752974

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mchou:

you're using forcedeth. I dont understand why you using ipv6 though

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achew22:

um.... how do I fix that?

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achew22:

mchou do you have mytharchive working?

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mchou:

I dont use mytharchive

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mchou:

watch and delete

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achew22:

damn

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achew22:

why are the menus so shity?

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Juski:

morning!

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dscoular`:

evening

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Juski:

heh

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alieas:

hello

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alieas:

I have a pcHDTV HD-5500 card, the instructions claim that the 2.6.18 and up kernel's support it. Does anyone know of a distro that has this kernel?

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dscoular`:

Bugger just got: 'Error was encountered while displaying video' time to recompile with debug methinks.

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stuarta:

morning Juski

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gardengnome:

morning

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stuarta:

morning gardengnome

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Octavious:

alieas: any distro has this kernel...i'm confused by your question

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Octavious:

alieas: build your own kernel...

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contingencyplan:

anybody here who could help me with a problem I'm having getting the frontend and backend to talk to each other?

[08:47:17]

stuarta:

just ask the question :)

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contingencyplan:

heh

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contingencyplan:

okay, I'm using gentoo, and I have everything set up right (I think, at least). I have the backend started successfully (/etc/init.d/mythbackend start), but when I try to do anything using the frontend, it complains that it can't find the backend.

[08:50:09]

contingencyplan:

"Could not connect to the master backend server — is it running? Is the IP address set for it in the setup program correct?"

[08:50:10]

Octavious:

contingencyplan: are you sure the backend has started? `ps aux | grep mythbackend`

[08:50:16]

alieas:

Octavious: I know thats what I'll have to end up doing

[08:50:37]

contingencyplan:

Octavious, hrm. no, no dice.

[08:50:49]

contingencyplan:

but gentoo says it started correctly... :-/

[08:50:51]

Octavious:

contingencyplan: check /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log and see what the issue is

[08:51:30]

Octavious:

contingencyplan: yeah, i think its been written incorrectly. you may need to do a `/etc/init.d/mythbackend zap`

[08:51:40]

Octavious:

contingencyplan: that will put it back to the stopped status

[08:52:43]

contingencyplan:

k, zapped it.

[08:52:55]

contingencyplan:

renamed the log file, so it'll be writing to a new one this time.

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stuarta:

zap? wtf is zap? whatever happend to stop?

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dscoular`:

contingencyplan, you'll want to look at /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log to see why it's failing to start

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dscoular`:

stop works when the process is running

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dscoular`:

zap forces a stop when it's not

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stuarta:

that makes zap redundant IMHO

[08:54:10]

dscoular`:

yeah... I agree

[08:54:34]

Octavious:

stuarta: maybe. i disagree. if `stop` fails, it shouldn't stop, if that makes sense

[08:54:45]

stuarta:

stop should stop the process, or cleanup if the process isn't running.

[08:54:57]

stuarta:

if stop fails you have bigger problems.

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stuarta:

totally non standard...

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contingencyplan:

dscoular`, Octavious – yeah. It was the /mnt/store directory – wasn't there, and didn't have the correct perms. So it's working now. :)

[08:56:23]

contingencyplan:

Thanks

[08:56:43]

alieas:

Octavious: yeah, that dude at pcHDTV said that the docs were written "with future support in mind", although kernel.org says the .19 is the latest

[08:57:22]

Octavious:

alieas: kernel.org shows 2.6.16.19 is the newest stable...not 2.6.18...

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stuarta:

wonder if they've fixed my kernel oops....

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alieas:

Octavious: could you possibly just recommend one distro that would be easy for me to add the V4L-DVB HD-5500 driver too and compile MythTV ?

[08:57:50]

alieas:

thats what I just said .19

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Octavious:

alieas: i don't think its really a distro-specific thing.

[08:58:24]

Octavious:

alieas: its a kernel-specific thing.

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alieas:

oh oops yeah your right

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alieas:

.16.19

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alieas:

wtf... and pcHDTV claims they have such excellent MythTV support

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alieas:

it would be a distro thing if the distro came stock with that kernel tho..

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Octavious:

so then you are looking for a distro that comes with a stock kernel >2.6.16.18?...

[09:01:01]

alieas:

I'm basically just trying to avoid the problem of people using specific systems and asking specific questions.

[09:01:03]

alieas:

no retract

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alieas:

I was looking for 2.6.18 which doesn't exist, you were correct

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Octavious:

hmm, i guess i'm still confused as to what you are asking. the kernel is independent of the distro. if you are asking for the best distro, its mainly preference.

[09:03:12]

alieas:

thats what everyone says. I did get the driver to almost install in SuSE 10

[09:03:32]

alieas:

dmesg | grep cx8800 reported the HD-5500

[09:03:42]

alieas:

but I don't think it reported the frontend properly

[09:04:37]

alieas:

I guess I'll just try with SuSE again tommorow

[09:04:41]

Octavious:

alieas: well i would recommend that you build your kernel yourself. don't try to use a package management system to help. just a recommendation...

[09:05:43]

alieas:

I rebuilt a kernel about two years ago to include some cisco aironet 350 drivers... but it seems a little overwhelming to me.

[09:06:20]

alieas:

even upgrading a kernel... could you recommend a website that breaks down that, and possibly the make / make install process?

[09:07:11]

Octavious:

alieas: i'm sure there are many, i don't have a particular one memorized. try googling it.

[09:07:41]

Octavious:

alieas: the gentoo-wiki.com is pretty informative. you could probably search for some information there

[09:08:18]

alieas:

do you think gentoo would give me more headaches than debian?

[09:08:39]

alieas:

basically I think pcHDTV's support is bullshit considering how much they hype their MythTV support

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alieas:

from the mythtv install wiki, they say that portage has all the packages natively for mythtv. you just have to emerge mythtv

[09:10:57]

alieas:

but I'm still scared of gentoo

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qu0zl:

Octavious, distros include numerous kernel images that will have been configured/built by that distro's maintainers and often have added patches supplied by that distro

[09:13:45]

alieas:

qu: yeah.. so if I could the HD-5500 DVB driver to the supplied KnoppMyth kernel, it could be redistributed, right ?

[09:13:58]

qu0zl:

alieas, I doubt there's 2.6.18 kernels available for debian yet. So if you want that you'll probably need to compil;e it yourself. Download the latest 2.6 kernel you can and use the .config file as a basis for configuring yours

[09:14:00]

alieas:

could add*

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qu0zl:

otherwise you'll have to answer 1 million kernel config questions about stuff you probably don't know :)

[09:14:34]

qu0zl:

you said you need 2.6.18, i've no idea what Knoppmyth uses

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alieas:

qu: I was confused earlier, I don't believe there is a 2.6.18

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alieas:

I have to add the driver to the 2.6.15

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qu0zl:

2.6.19 is the latest alieas but there probably aren't packages of 18 or 19 for deb

[09:15:38]

qu0zl:

is the driver included in 2.6.15? If it is then install that and recompile it with the config option for the driver turned on

[09:15:43]

alunt2005:

alieas: I use Gentoo on all my computers.Once you get used to it,you wont use anything else.It is so easy typing "emerge mythtv" for example,and it takes care of all the dependencies for you.Try it

[09:15:46]

alieas:

no its 2.6.16.19, Octavious corrected me

[09:15:57]

alieas:

alunt: thanks

[09:16:03]

Juski:

morning (again). Hi gardengnome. Hi stuarta :-)

[09:16:15]

qu0zl:

if you've 2.6.16.19 that should support it too, if 2.6.15 does

[09:16:38]

alieas:

alunt: my other friend, long time linux user keeps trying to get me to go gentoo also. I read their wiki and it seemed nice, I've just heard so many problems because of setting the flags while compiling... and I don't even know what a flag is, so...

[09:17:01]

Juski:

bah I was a noob & I was okay with gentoo

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alieas:

qu: it has to be added, V4L-DVB. make. make install. dmesg | grep cx8800. <-- to verify

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alunt2005:

alieas: Well if you were to type "emerge -pv mythtv" it would show you what flags were available. There is a site with an explanation of each flag and what it does

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alieas:

hmmm, ok

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alunt2005:

alieas: If you typed "emerge mplayer" for example it gets mplayer and all the win32codecs as well.Its so easy

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alieas:

nice

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alieas:

you have to download the 100mg base, and then just the packages you need (to install gentoo) right ?

[09:19:38]

alieas:

mg == mb

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Juski:

the ooonly snag is having to wait while it compiles everything

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alieas:

heh, I don't mind waiting... if I can get this hd-5500 to work :)

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Juski:

I'd recommend downloading the big install cd & a packages disc

[09:20:30]

Juski:

install X & the desktop from the packages CD

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alunt2005:

yeah you install the base system then when you emerge any packages it just fetches them for you.No downloading 5 cds for an install

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qu0zl:

how is "emerge mythtv" sorting dependancies any different than "apt-get install mythtv" sorting dependancies

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Juski:

just to get you up & running faster

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qu0zl:

except you avoid a compile

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alunt2005:

qu0zl: Probably no difference

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Juski:

qu0zl: depends who looks after the packaging/ebuild

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dscoular`:

qu0zl, the difference is that you get binaries targetted specifically to your config choices and processor type.

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qu0zl:

aye i understand that dscoular`, but for the most part i don't believe that's worth the effort/compile time

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Rhubarb:

qu0zl: is anything worth the effort? :-P

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qu0zl:

i've seen that discussion often enough. I've no problem with gentoo or debian, but swapping distro's halfway through to fix a kernel module dependancy is a bit mad

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qu0zl:

Yep Rhubarb , stuff that has an appreciable difference

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Rhubarb:

using binaries doesn't _necessarily_ save you time anyway

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alieas:

only live_cd is x86 on their website .. ?

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qu0zl:

recompiling X/gnome does not have an appreciable difference

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dscoular`:

qu0zl, I hear yah... depends on what I'm using the distro for and the power of the platform I'm installing it on.

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Rhubarb:

qu0zl: what?! it fucking well does you know. adds 24hours or so to an install having to compile X & Gnome, believe me. Unless you have a fast cpu

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qu0zl:

lol

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alunt2005:

alieas: What processer do you have?

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qu0zl:

lol sorry, i meant it didn't make it run faster Rhubarb

[09:25:23]

qu0zl:

certainly not that it didn't make it slower to install

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alieas:

well... in the myth box right now is AMD 2400+

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qu0zl:

i've recompiled X on my via. it hurts

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Rhubarb:

heh. noted

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Rhubarb:

AMD2400+ – so a what 1.8Ghz CPU in _real_ terms. I no longer believe AMDs made up numbers

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alunt2005:

alieas: You need the i686 build. I think. My server is Athlon and im sure thats what i used

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alieas:

unless you have it clocked against a p4 1.8 running a hd-5500 and mythtv on both debian and gentoo then it doesn't matter

[09:28:07]

alieas:

these processors behave differently under specific application

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alunt2005:

alieas: Yeah its the install-x86-minimal-2006.0.iso build

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alieas:

there are also many differnet core versions of the athlon and p4

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alieas:

with various levels of cache, etc

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Rhubarb:

I've forgotten which stuff I should've used for a thunderbird chip.. I think I'm only on 386

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alunt2005:

alieas: Its not an amd64 is it?

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alieas:

no

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alieas:

amd32

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alunt2005:

Then its the install-x86-minimal-2006.0.iso. You set the processor type when you build the kernel.

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alieas:

alunt: they don't have it on their site? only x86 live_cd ?

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alieas:

http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/where.xml

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alunt2005:

I would run a live cd on your computer and write down what modules it loads so you know which ones to compile you kernel with. type "lsmod" then write down what it says

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MonMotha:

Rhubarb: AMD's "made up" numbers are actually fairly accurate when extrapolated from their old thunderbird series or compared against a P4 for anything but very non-branchy stuff (though MPEG decoding generally falls under the latter category)

[09:32:19]

MonMotha:

they're certainly much more accurate than Cyrix's attempt at the same thing

[09:32:26]

MonMotha:

(which you may or may not remember)

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alunt2005:

http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/www.ibibli . . . l-2006.0.iso

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Octaviou1:

apparently my connection hates me. alieas: did you get your questions answered?

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alieas:

I roll Wintel

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alieas:

alunt: thanks, its only 45mb

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alieas:

Octavious: yeah just sorting thru some stuff – thanks for your help

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alieas:

alunt2005: ok I will do that with the live cd. should I download another CD that has X on it ?

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alunt2005:

alieas: Knoppix is a good choice. Its very good at hardware detection

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Dagmar:

Yeah. Udev is leet like that..

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alieas:

so the modules are not distro dependent?

[09:36:43]

Dagmar:

Generally, no.

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Rhubarb:

MonMotha: yep – I blatantly bought the wrong CPU last time I upgraded. Video rendering takes wayyy too long.. and transcoding... and most other things I like to use a computer for ;-)

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Dagmar:

Rhubarb: You bought an intel celery?

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Rhubarb:

athlon xp

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alunt2005:

No the modules are in the kernel from kernel.org All distros use it

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Dagmar:

I'm confused as to how one can really go all that wrong, unless you got 400 mixed up with 4000 or maybe bought one of those VIA C3 chips

[09:38:21]

Dagmar:

What on earth were you thinking was going to be significantly faster than an athlon xp for the same price point?

[09:38:26]

Rhubarb:

I suppose I might've forgot that 2800 isn't actually 2.8Ghz

[09:38:36]

Dagmar:

Oh, that doesn't matter. Really.

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alieas:

I have a P4–3.06 that replaced the amd 2400+ and its not all that much better when converting to and from mpeg2/mpeg4

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Merlin83b:

Disk bandwidth bound?

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Rhubarb:

heh. so I'm just being unrealistic then. I'll need a dual core CPU next time

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Dagmar:

AMD has always been very, very aggressive about making sure their marketing number is within +/-3% or so of the Intel chips they're aiming to match

[09:39:39]

Dagmar:

Rhubarb: For single tasks, you just need to go faster.

[09:39:51]

Dagmar:

Dual core isn't going to help with much except for multiple tasks

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alieas:

Yeah and for the price they are usually better.. but I went with a P4 this time, and I can't really tell the difference

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Rhubarb:

Merlin83b: nope. Rendering a 10 minute mpeg2 takes ages

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Dagmar:

Rhubarb: If you're doing it anytime soon, I suggest the ASRock 939dual-SATA2

[09:40:32]

Rhubarb:

dual core will help with rendering mpeg & general video work with sony vegas though

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Dagmar:

...mainly because the upgrade path on it is disgustingly wide open for single-CPU options. PCIe and AGP 8X, and a daughter card available for actually upgrading from a 939pin 64-bit chip to an AM2

[09:41:12]

Rhubarb:

staying away from sata for as long as I can

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Dagmar:

It's got two IDE ports as per usual

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Dagmar:

Two sata ports, and one sata2 port as well. Bizarrely upgradable

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Rhubarb:

how many pci slots?

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Dagmar:

Four, IIRC. One PCIx too

[09:42:20]

Dagmar:

...for the GigE card everyone's thinking about in the back of their heads.

[09:42:40]

Dagmar:

This is going to be the first time my motherboard is likely to outlive everything else in the PC case

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Rhubarb:

I'll wait til the most basic pci-e vga cards are cheaper though

[09:43:07]

Dagmar:

That I can see.

[09:43:13]

** hashbang <B Intel quad-port Gbit cards. :-) **

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Dagmar:

The 7300 is pretty cheap, but it's also pretty weak

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Rhubarb:

I only need 2d on my desktop really – none of this billion texels/sec stuff

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stuarta:

and Mb's support numerous pci-e cards that aren't all graphics cards.

[09:43:51]

Dagmar:

hashbang: I'm almost afraid to ask, but how the hell do you connect those to a PC? Do they stick into a memory slot or what?

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hashbang:

133MHz PCI-X

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Dagmar:

Rhubarb: Oh, well, in that case there's sub-$50 PCI-Express cards to be had all over

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Dagmar:

hashbang: There's got to be throughput issues on that

[09:45:13]

Dagmar:

(looks it up) Wow. Close tho

[09:45:25]

hashbang:

Dagmar: don't think so; PCI bursts upto 132Mbyte/s (1056Mbit/s)

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hashbang:

Dagmar: 133MHz PCI-X is 4x the clock, and twice as wide

[09:46:20]

Dagmar:

I was thinking specifically along the lines of "box as high end router" applications

[09:47:15]

Dagmar:

Make a firewall with two of those and I think you'd be justified in getting someone to come in and paint flames down the side of the rack and add more chrome piping

[09:47:19]

hashbang:

well, the memory bus on a 800MHz FSB machine is good for ~2Gbyte/s

[09:49:11]

Dagmar:

I'm not planning for "normal" traffic.

[09:49:19]

Dagmar:

That's a way to make a firewall that breaks under load.

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hashbang:

Dagmar: payload inspection?

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Dagmar:

SPI for traffic that's allowed to make it past any of the access lists, yeah

[09:50:45]

Dagmar:

...but just connection tracking starts to become unpleasant at the level that could/would require multiple GigE links

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hashbang:

if you're just doing headers, that should be fine.

[09:51:02]

hashbang:

if you're tracking state of, say, IM over HTTP...

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stuarta:

trying to do deep packet inspection at wire speeds is hard work

[09:52:11]

Dagmar:

Heh. You're begging a sideband attack of lawyers as employees squeal about assumed privacy

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hashbang:

...or, for that matter, doing NIPS

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hashbang:

stuarta: agreed. My snort-based NIDS with a few thousand rules tends to bail badly above 600Mbit/s or so.

[09:53:21]

MonMotha:

Rhubarb: Intel processors are remarkably good at video loads. They can keep their excessively long pipeline full on those loads since they aren't particularly branchy. AMD processors catch up very quickly when you start dealing with other types of loads such as interactive, business, some simulation, and compiling

[09:54:05]

Dagmar:

hashbang: Just imagine what you'd need to make NFR handle that load

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MonMotha:

on those loads Intel procs lose a lot of performance to pipeline flushes on branch mispredictions. AMD processors don't have much better branch prediction (it is in fact sometimes worse), but the pipeline is shorter so they lose less time.

[09:54:06]

Dagmar:

Heh

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stuarta:

hashbang: that's a serious NIDS system....

[09:54:47]

hashbang:

stuarta: check my domain name. :-)

[09:55:26]

stuarta:

ahh, university :)

[09:55:37]

Dagmar:

The bestest kind of network to try to defend

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hashbang:

not.

[09:55:47]

Dagmar:

Where's your sense of fun?

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hashbang:

well, yeah. ;-)

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hashbang:

I love it really.

[09:56:05]

hashbang:

ish.

[09:56:26]

hashbang:

it does give me the chance to play with nice toys and try to solve Hard problems.

[09:56:39]

Dagmar:

Several years ago I got a job at a company doing medial records management, and when I put up the IDS I was paranoid for a full week thinking someone had managed to seriously compromise their network because I wasn't seeing *squat* going on

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hashbang:

heh

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Dagmar:

Of course, what I was used to seeing was a cablemodem and a college campus network.

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Dagmar:

...which is a lot like London at the height of the black plague

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** hashbang washes his hands. **

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** stuarta wonders what you'd see in a big bank... **

[09:58:08]

Dagmar:

Disgustingly boring 7-bit links over obsolete serial connections

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hashbang:

I used to support bank infosec teams.

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Dagmar:

...or sometimes emulated 7-bit links over tunneled and wrappered store and forward networks.

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hashbang:

my impression is that bank security is worse than you'd hope, but better than most.

[09:58:57]

hashbang:

at least they *try*.

[09:59:12]

MonMotha:

stuarta: token ring, unless it's a newer place :)

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Dagmar:

One of the things they've got going for them is that a lot of their technology is stuff that's ready to be taken out and shot

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MonMotha:

which is why nobody can hack their networks – when was the last time you saw a token ring card?

[09:59:40]

Dagmar:

"Good" hackers see it and turn slightly green at the gills

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MonMotha:

by the time you buy one, you've erased any profit you'd make by hacking the network :)

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hashbang:

also, of course, they bring hard risk management to bear on these things, I expect; "is it worth spending 100K on a firewall to protect this system where the maximum loss is 10K?"

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MonMotha:

and I'll have you know that I actually have used a 7 bit serial link within recent memory

[10:00:40]

hashbang:

Dagmar: security by obsoleteness.

[10:00:54]

Dagmar:

I can remember a teleconference where my boss got a hand over my mouth just in time to prevent my response to what a particular bank network was using

[10:00:59]

MonMotha:

though I did it by accident. Accidentally set the UART on my microcontroller dev kit to 7 bit mode. Took me forever to figure out what I'd done

[10:01:10]

Dagmar:

She saw my eyes and the look on my face and knew what it meant. Heh

[10:01:35]

MonMotha:

Dagmar: still have the ancient IBM kit in the back room?

[10:01:43]

MonMotha:

or were they the PDP-11 type? :)

[10:01:47]

tfm:

a big percentage of ATM in the US is still running OS/2, go figure ;)

[10:01:56]

Dagmar:

They wanted to send encrypted 8-bit data across 7-bit, nasty nasty in-band controlled links

[10:01:58]

MonMotha:

tfm: yeah, the ones that don't crash constantly...

[10:02:06]

Dagmar:

...and were wondering why it was dying in the middle of transfers.

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tfm:

in Europe they run Bull AIX 4.1 I think

[10:02:40]

Dagmar:

Every time what would be considered an EOF character was sent... *pfft* end of packet

[10:02:40]

tfm:

also already a long time obsolete ;)

[10:02:54]

Dagmar:

tfm: They should have gotten rid of the BUll's already man

[10:03:05]

tfm:

dagmar: I still see them a lot ;)

[10:03:06]

Dagmar:

I don't think *any* of those were Y2k-compliant

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MonMotha:

shite...it's 6AM?

[10:03:36]

tfm:

why should an ATM be y2k compliant ? ;)

[10:03:50]

tfm:

it only delivers money, can't even use it to transfer money in .be

[10:04:00]

Dagmar:

Umm... to prevent me from collecting 30-year's interest on a deposit overight

[10:04:23]

tfm:

you;re talking about atm from banks whith more functions

[10:04:35]

tfm:

the Bull atm's we have are _only_ for retrieving money, nothing more

[10:04:39]

tfm:

they work very fast

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Dagmar:

It's got to be a different company named "Bull" the one I know of then

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MonMotha:

all our ATMs are made by Diebold

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Dagmar:

DT&T had one that took people knocking a hole in the wall of the machine room to get rid of

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MonMotha:

the difference is that, unlike their voting machines, Diebold actually made secure ATMs back in the day

[10:05:24]

Dagmar:

Slightly larger than a Buick Skylark it was

[10:05:26]

MonMotha:

the banks demanded it

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hashbang:

MonMotha: wave a laptop with wifi at it and you get $500? ;-)

[10:05:48]

MonMotha:

too bad the new ones run XP and get infected with Blaster or <insert MS worm of the day> now

[10:05:57]

MonMotha:

all while the old OS/2 based ones keep on ticking

[10:05:58]

Dagmar:

Strange how Diebold lets things get into voting machines that would make me one seriously rich bastard if they were also in ATMs

[10:06:01]

MonMotha:

"but they're not touchscreen!"

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hashbang:

Dagmar: good point.

[10:06:22]

Dagmar:

MonMotha: And fizzing, and crackling, and popping

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MonMotha:

the old ones work great

[10:06:35]

MonMotha:

I've only EVER seen ONE crashed

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MonMotha:

and it just needed to be power cycled. I walk by it every day, usually multiple times per day

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stuarta:

quite a few of them run windoze in the uk

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Dagmar:

I will at least admit that while OS/2 machines didn't ever seem to run 100% correctly, at least they could limp along practically for years

[10:08:29]

Dagmar:

Most of the ones I deal with always had error messages of some sort scrolling up a window or two on the console, but they would almost never go completely down

[10:08:34]

Dagmar:

s/deal/dealt/

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MonMotha:

awesome, page on a bug in mozilla...crashes mozilla

[10:08:55]

Dagmar:

MonMotha: no denying it's a bug then. :)

[10:09:06]

Dagmar:

Try that with IE and lawyers come for you in the middle of the morning.

[10:10:27]

MonMotha:

hum, the page appears to be using some wacky CSS that's making the renderer go nuts

[10:11:09]

Dagmar:

Fixed in Firefox 1.5.0.4: Privilege escalation using addSelectionListener; Buffer overflow in crypto.signText(); Remote compromise via content-defined setter on object prototypes; Privilege escalation through XUL persist; Fixes for crashes with potential memory corruption

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Dagmar:

Take your pick about which one it might have been

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MonMotha:

naw, it's a completely unrelated issue (a bunch of users bitching about memory leaks I've never seen)

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ivor:

...any epia sp13000 tv-out users kicking about?

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qu0zl:

yep Ivor

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qu0zl:

i'm planning on compiling your new drivers :) but i'm in work

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qu0zl:

thanks btw for fixing that

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ivor:

aha. that was the question. :)

[11:13:46]

qu0zl:

hehe

[11:14:06]

ivor:

well it "works for me"... just need to know if it "works for you"

[11:14:15]

qu0zl:

I'll hopefully get to try tonight

[11:14:27]

ivor:

spose I should have a go and making the americans happy and fixing the ntsc mode.

[11:14:31]

qu0zl:

haha

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qu0zl:

tell them to get PAL tv's. it's HDTV compared to ntsc

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ivor:

qu0zl: I haven't changed anything relating to the build

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ivor:

the only change is the header file.

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qu0zl:

k. I always have trouble building these things. and i've built them and the unichrome ones half a dozen times now :))

[11:23:58]

qu0zl:

i'll mess with it remotely while i'm in work, if it stays quietish

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Spida:

http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/ygo1HX33.html <- anybody got an idea what goin wrong there?

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dscoular`:

Spida, do you have any guide data loaded ?

[11:37:28]

Spida:

yes

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dscoular`:

for all channels ?

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Spida:

hm, I had to change something on my inputs, because ivtv changed the inputnames...

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Spida:

dscoular`: for most channels

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dscoular`:

Spida, I think your channels aren't correctly associated with your sources any more.

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dscoular`:

Did you re-run mythtfilldatabase after making your changes ?

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Spida:

yes

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dscoular`:

I'd go back to mythtv-setup clear out your card data and start from scratch again.

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Spida:

dscoular`: no, got it (I think, didn't test yet)

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** dscoular` trundles off to bed **

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gardengnome:

hi Juski

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** pickler is away: bbl **

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Juski:

hi gardengnome. just been to see our new workplace. very spiffy. pity it's so ****ing far away

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gardengnome:

heh :) so are you gonna quit?

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Juski:

to quit I need to have another job lined up

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gardengnome:

sounds sensible

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Juski:

and to have that, it would need to exist within reasonable travelling distance and not involve a substantial pay cut :-/

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gardengnome:

:/

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Juski:

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gardengnome:

yeah, london is very expensive :/ and prolly not a place where you'd want to love

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gardengnome:

live*

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Juski:

nice (ish) place to visit though

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ivor:

of course you don't have to live 'in' london.

[12:01:57]

ivor:

heh got a great new book.

[12:02:09]

ivor:

"digital video compression – peter symes"

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Juski:

ivor: true. you could spend 3 hours of your day commuting if you want to ;-)

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** ivor does... and assumed everyone else did too. **

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Zider:

I have 10 minutes bike ride ;)

[12:05:09]

Juski:

people put up with that?

[12:05:15]

Juski:

I'd move

[12:05:31]

ivor:

yeah you just get used to it thought don't you.

[12:05:39]

Juski:

easier said than done though, as my previous comments bear witness to ;-)

[12:06:32]

armand:

nyc is the same thing

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armand:

tons of people commute 1.5hrs each way

[12:06:46]

armand:

sucks

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ivor:

going back to the book.... I actually understand mpeg now.

[12:07:03]

Zider:

that's why I like this smaller town :)

[12:07:04]

Juski:

hmm. I think I'll appreciate my job some more now

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Zider:

ivor: yay o/

[12:08:27]

Juski:

we've got the big book of MPEG or something here.. makes interesting reading

[12:08:28]

ivor:

really good, it starts off right at the basics, goes through jpeg then onto mpeg1,2 and 4.

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armand:

why did they skip 3?

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ivor:

this is more of an educational book rather than the reference.

[12:08:51]

Juski:

never genned up on mpeg4 really

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ivor:

armand: :) heheh. they gave it a couple of lines.

[12:09:16]

ivor:

Juski: I've got as far as the start of mpeg2.

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ivor:

armand: something like... mpeg3 was attempted but was a pointless failure.

[12:09:50]

ivor:

:)

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armand:

hehe

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Zider:

afair mpeg3 had no advantages over mpeg2 after they finished the specs

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ivor:

Zider: yup that was about the gist of it.

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ivor:

was an interesting excercise that tried out a few concepts but proved to offer no advantage.

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Juski:

mpeg3... whatever became of it?

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** stuarta is one of those who spends 3hrs a day travelling. it bites. **

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ivor:

stuarta: lots of reading time.

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stuarta:

I either read the metro, or sleep. On the way home sometimes we get the Stella express

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ivor:

lol. oh dear.

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ivor:

I've been reading my mpeg book.

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ivor:

reading the metro every day can't be good for you

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stuarta:

it's actually quite good, just enough news to keep you interested...

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stuarta:

and a suduku to do on the way home.

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ivor:

tragic.

[12:25:43]

stuarta:

yep.

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stuarta:

I'm not sure I could cope with an mpeg book at 730am

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Zider:

I have sudoku in my palm :D

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Zider:

totally sweet

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Merlin83b:

Have you seen SuDocWho?

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Zider:

nope

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stuarta:

ivor: light reading -> http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0470 . . . 1729-2802035

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Merlin83b:

Zider:

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Merlin83b:

Erm

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Merlin83b:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/games/sdwgame.shtml

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Zider:

haha

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ivor:

stuarta: is that a good read?

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stuarta:

no idea. just looked up your book, may reconsider reading mpeg at 730am

[12:37:46]

ivor:

ah ok.

[12:38:11]

ivor:

have to find somewhere with it in stock to have a ruffle through the pages.

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stuarta:

might take a trip down to foyles

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ivor:

stuarta: yeah thats where I got this one.

[12:39:16]

ivor:

spent a fortune.

[12:39:16]

ivor:

came out with three bags full. :)

[12:39:34]

ivor:

wow. this build is purring.

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stuarta:

ouch.... £19.79 at amazon for that mpeg book

[12:39:56]

ivor:

120 machines in the compile farm. :D

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qu0zl:

Ivor, I've got that new svn version installed. I'll post a reply to that trac bug when I get home and can see if it's fixed the centering

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stuarta:

or 46.18 with the mpeg handbook

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stuarta:

ivor: does you book cover interlacing in h264 coding?

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ivor:

qu0zl: just one thing... check that the vt1622 object file gets built.

[12:42:27]

ivor:

qu0zl: it was missed when I did a build.

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gardengnome:

ls

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ivor:

stuarta: dunno. haven't got that far yet.

[12:42:39]

gardengnome:

oops.

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gardengnome:

screen is confusing :)

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stuarta:

if it does, we can make progress on those HD test transmissions

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ivor:

stuarta: it might not have enough detail though. its more about the concepts rather than details of how to implement a decoder.

[12:44:41]

ivor:

but I found it really interesting and educational. for example until I read the book I never understood the reason for the weird zig-zag pattern in the quantizer matrix

[12:44:59]

ivor:

and now I can bore anyone in the pub to tears on the subject.

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qu0zl:

./unichrome/via_vt162x.lo Ivor? Seems to have compiled and X has started up happily with the new driver. I just can't see it as it's at home :))

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ivor:

qu0zl: yeah but is it built more recently than the .c file.

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ivor:

s/.c file/.h file/

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qu0zl:

yep it is

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ivor:

rockin

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qu0zl:

bah now i want to go home and check. Nothing to do with the clear blue skys and 20 or so degrees temperatures

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qu0zl:

of course

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fatmatt:

qu0zl, your not the qu0zl who lived somewhere in rural Australia a couple of years ago?

[12:50:45]

qu0zl:

nope fatmatt. I thought i was the only quozl till he showed up :(

[12:50:51]

qu0zl:

and he's an open-source nerd type as well

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fatmatt:

lol, yeah, he gave me some help with a msppp authentication/encryption thing a few years ago.

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psofa:

is 99euros a sane price for mce150?

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Zider:

sounds a bit expensive

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qu0zl:

http://komplett.ie/k/ki.asp?sku=315270 for 82e, no remote tho

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qu0zl:

that's inc vat, ex delivery, but they're pretty reasonable

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Freman:

hmmm... I'm having a lot of glitches in my recordings...

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Freman:

I'm not sure if it's from the signal, or something to do with my disk format

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gardengnome:

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qu0zl:

gardengnome, got a german site that does good value pvr500s? A friend of mine wants one and they may ship to ireland

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qu0zl:

they're 168quid from komplett :(

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qu0zl:

he has a wife and kids and he's not willing to sell them, so it's taking him ages to get enough for his pvr components :)

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tfm:

http://www.4launch.nl/

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tfm:

cheapest site I know, they ship to EU

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qu0zl:

cheers tfm

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tfm:

they ask 60 euro for a 150

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qu0zl:

145 for a pvr500. 23e less than komplett. not bad

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psofa:

wow

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qu0zl:

ahh nuts, that's ex vat prices :(

[13:03:45]

qu0zl:

i hate when sites do that.

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psofa:

:(

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qu0zl:

ahh, it's not var. it's just 45e shipping. cheaky feckers!

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psofa:

im worried about the damn pci slots

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qu0zl:

how so psofa ?

[13:05:37]

psofa:

right now ive got 4/5 occupied

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psofa:

if i buy an 150 maybe it will become a mess

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qu0zl:

would that be your only tuner?

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psofa:

considering that the box is also a frontend

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psofa:

qu0zl, no

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psofa:

two others

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psofa:

a dvb-t and an -s

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qu0zl:

ahh

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** stuarta now want to browse in Foyles... **

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psofa:

what do you think

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stuarta:

psofa: asking for trouble

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psofa:

stuarta, maybe i should set up another fe?

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psofa:

erm

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psofa:

backend

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psofa:

ive got a spare p550

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stuarta:

as long as you don't want to transcode that would work fine as a BE

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psofa:

are the backends smart enough to work together etc?

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stuarta:

yup, the master controls everything

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qu0zl:

stuarta, is it possible to run a backend on a box with no tuners strictly to run transcode jobs?

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stuarta:

do some reading on slave backends

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armand:

stuarta: there isnt alot of reading on slave backends

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qu0zl:

then he could put all the tuners in the p550 and run a backend on the frontend box for transcodes?

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psofa:

now im thinking if its possible to run the slave backend diskless

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stuarta:

qu0zl: dunno, could be possible...

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armand:

stuarta: if there is, please point me in the right direction heh. ive been running a slave/master setup for over a year and still dont know what happens if the master runs into the space free threshold

[13:13:28]

armand:

if it reschedules all shows on the salve tuners or what

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armand:

and noone has been able to answer that q in here heh

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psofa:

i dont transcode anyway

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qu0zl:

comm-flag psofa ?

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stuarta:

armand: my *guess* would be the autoexpirer would kick in

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armand:

i thought .19 didnt have the same autoexpire that .18 had

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psofa:

qu0zl, hmm now that ill buy my 150 id like the ability to comm-flag

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psofa:

how does thew commercial detection work?

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armand:

psofa: magic

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stuarta:

or not at all

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psofa:

is there a signal that gets transmited when comercials are running? or it searches for logos etc?

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qu0zl:

stuff like logo searching, blank frames

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armand:

psofa: there's all sorts of different ways. black screens. tv ratings markers, etc

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qu0zl:

it's high cpu usage psofa

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armand:

thats just 2 out of the like 7 ways i think

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qu0zl:

yeah, there's loads but i don't know the m:)

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qu0zl:

nothing but logo works any good for the crazy channels i get

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psofa:

qu0zl, could the slave backend also do that?

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armand:

i just have it set to use all, and set strict

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armand:

it works 90% of the time

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armand:

but ive heard the commflagging works better in the usa

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armand:

probably because our tv sucks? :)

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qu0zl:

i would have thought so psofa but I've never setup a slave backend

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armand:

yes, the slave backened can also do that

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qu0zl:

i don't know how it offloads jobs from the master to slaves

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armand:

by default it will split the jobs between the 2 backends

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armand:

there's an option to restrict transcode/commflag jobs to original recording host though

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qu0zl:

what he'd want is restrict them to anything but original host

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qu0zl:

if it's a crappy p550 doing the recordings

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armand:

if thats checked, it will commflag/transcode on whatever backend did the recording. if not, it will transcode/commflag over the network between slave/master round-robin style

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armand:

i wish i could find a way to say "all commflagging happens on master backend"

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psofa:

can the slave backend use the same mysql server as the master?

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armand:

it has to

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armand:

or else shit wont work

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armand:

lol

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psofa:

:)

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psofa:

btw is there any possibility for the master backend to work fine with 5/5 pci slots occupied?

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armand:

the only thing you do different to setup a slave, is specifiy the external ip of your master backend in mysql.txt, and set its ip in mthtv-setup

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psofa:

setting a second backend is too much

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armand:

thats it.

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armand:

5 tuner cards? doubtful heh

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psofa:

armand, 3 tuner cards

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psofa:

one sound

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psofa:

and one network card

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armand:

what kind of drive?

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psofa:

another box with cables in the living room wont be appreciated by the people i live with :P

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armand:

sata tops out at like 150meg/sec

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psofa:

armand, im not going to use all 3 of them together

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qu0zl:

then definately yes psofa

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qu0zl:

i use two mpeg2 streams to disk no problems

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psofa:

im more worried of irq mess

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qu0zl:

i'd expect 3 to work

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robin_:

armand: ??

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psofa:

i should have a mobo with intergrated sound and nic

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armand:

each of my backends have 2 tuner cards, they work fine. though with on-the-fly commflagging the boxes are at a load of 3 or so :)

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psofa:

damn

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armand:

robin_: ??

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robin_:

armand: you called my name

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armand:

no, i didnt

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robin_:

armand: irrsi gave a ping

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armand:

round-robin is a technical term.

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armand:

ircsissy sucks

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armand:

i said robin not robin_

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robin_:

armand: lol yes :)

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robin_:

armand: sorry.

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armand:

np =]

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armand:

ahhh i see how to force all commflag jobs to be on 1 box

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armand:

regardless of recording host

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armand:

sweet

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** armand does a happy dance **

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armand:

"allow commercial detection jobs on this backend"

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armand:

uncheck that on my other 2 backends

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armand:

p00f, good to go

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Juski:

re

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Juski:

just been terminating a mile of cat5 cable (well 1600 metres anyway)

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Juski:

I swear if my job gets any more interesting...

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qu0zl:

in what length sections Juski? if it was only one on each end then you're getting no sympathy ;)

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GreyFoxx:

Anyone tried a channel scan in recent SVN ? I've been playing and my scan seems to finish instantly without really detecting anything and EIT data for the existing channels is only appearing for a small handful of channels

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Juski:

100m & 300m sections

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Zider:

I thought max length was 90m?

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GreyFoxx:

Before I go digging I'm curious if I'm just an anaomoly :)

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GreyFoxx:

Zider: nah, 300

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Juski:

GreyFoxx: I had a scan be totally successful but the freqs put into dtv_multiplex were wrong – puzzling

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GreyFoxx:

your eit data working for everything ?

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stuarta:

GreyFoxx: that's no good. did it even lock onto any muxes?

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GreyFoxx:

It appears that after the EIT cache is hitting some limit no more data is being inserted into the database, and even when it's working it's only for a small portion of the channels

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GreyFoxx:

stuarta: doesn't look like it

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stuarta:

try extending the timeout, some cards need longer timeouts

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GreyFoxx:

but I just started it before I left for work and checked when I got here

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GreyFoxx:

I reinstalled my slave with the DVB card so that I could test the EIT stuff.

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GreyFoxx:

I can't actually watch any of the channels but I can at least test the EIT/scanning :)

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stuarta:

there's a timeout on the card configuration that defaults to 500ms/1250ms

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GreyFoxx:

I plan to move the dish this weekend to point to another bird this weekend

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GreyFoxx:

ahh ok

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GreyFoxx:

I'll check that

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stuarta:

if it fails otherwise, I want to know about it :)

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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GreyFoxx:

okie

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GreyFoxx:

just compiled up to 10098

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GreyFoxx:

so I'll fire it up and try, then look at upping the limit

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GreyFoxx:

Though I suppose I should be running this with the -eit branch. Just remembered I'm running this on trunk

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GreyFoxx:

Or have they merged now ?

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stuarta:

the important bits have merged. the more experimental stuff is in -eit branch

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GreyFoxx:

gotcha

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prologic:

Is it suppose to take >12hrs to export to Xvid with nuvexport ?

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armand:

if your box is slow, yes

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armand:

my xp3200 takes like 6hrs

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armand:

2pass

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Zider:

and the recording is long ;)

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armand:

yup

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prologic:

hmm

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prologic:

I have an AMD2400+ 1G ram

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prologic:

takes over 12hrs for a 1–2hr recording

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prologic:

to Xvid

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prologic:

I guess this is normal

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prologic:

and 2 pass

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armand:

yup, sounds normal

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prologic:

k

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prologic:

guess I could always get an AMD 64 dualcore :)

[14:05:52]

prologic:

patience :)

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armand:

yeah it takes a while.. thats why i wonly transcode things to xvid that i reallyreallyreallyreallyreally want to keep

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armand:

let everything else stay in mpeg2

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prologic:

heh

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prologic:

good iea

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psofa:

is there any dualhead support in mythtv?

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psofa:

i mean instead of having two fe

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psofa:

each on a different head

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psofa:

maybe youd like to redirect video outout to the other head

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armand:

its not something mythtv would need to do

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armand:

you just run 2 xservers

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psofa:

as a replacement for pip

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armand:

and 2 instances of mythfrontend

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psofa:

that would require two remotes

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armand:

no, it wouldnt, one remote could control them both

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psofa:

im thinking of one fe and two video outputs

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armand:

but you'd have 1 reciever :)

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psofa:

armand, ?

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armand:

psofa: you can do anything with myth that unix can do

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armand:

therefore, you can have 1 hardware machine

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armand:

2 video cards

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armand:

2 x servers

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armand:

2 instances of mythfrontend

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psofa:

i know!

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armand:

2 pvrxxx's with remotes

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armand:

and 2 seperate accounts

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armand:

that would effectively be 2 fe's on 1 hardware box

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psofa:

but how will i use the same receiver for the two fe's

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armand:

you couldnt, you would need 2 remote receivers

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psofa:

....

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armand:

unless you wanted 1 remote to control both instances

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armand:

but whats the point in that.

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armand:

(at the same time)

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psofa:

so what im talking about could be handy

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psofa:

instead of pip

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armand:

not really

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psofa:

the second picture could be spawned on the second head

[14:13:16]

armand:

a second remote is like what, 15$?

[14:13:33]

psofa:

one could move focues between pip's just like myth does now

[14:13:48]

armand:

i just dont see the point though

[14:14:07]

armand:

if you want to watch tv in another room, go in the other room and turn on the tv and watch it

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psofa:

armand, its supposed to be a better pip

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armand:

code it up and we'll take a look and give feedback :)

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psofa:

im thinking of it

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psofa:

however chances are i will fail miserable

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psofa:

:P

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armand:

easier to buy a serial remote :)

[14:16:02]

armand:

i may find up doing 1 fe for 2 tvs shortly

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armand:

s/find/wind

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armand:

already have 2 pvr250's in the box (with remotes and receivers)

[14:16:59]

armand:

its an xp3200 with 512meg of ram, so id upgrade it to at least 1.5gig. .19 is a memory hog for some reason

[14:17:10]

armand:

frontend/backend used to run fine on 512meg of ram

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armand:

since .19 it ran like ass

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armand:

tossed in another gig of ram, runs perfect again

[14:17:24]

armand:

procs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- --system-- ----cpu----

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armand:

r b swpd free buff cache si so bi bo in cs us sy id wa

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armand:

1 0 280 30928 5336 1039688 0 0 512 824 896 564 0 3 96 1

[14:17:24]

armand:

0 0 280 30680 5348 1040152 0 0 772 848 1173 768 1 4 89 6

[14:17:24]

armand:

0 0 280 30680 5340 1039820 0 0 636 652 1044 662 2 5 90 3

[14:17:27]

armand:

that would probably be why

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gardengnome:

!trout armand for not using a pastebin

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** MythLogBot slaps armand for not using a pastebin with a trout on behalf of gardengnome... **

[14:17:50]

armand:

as you watch recordings on a remote fe, memory slowly gets allocated to cache

[14:17:59]

armand:

if you're lucky, it gets released when you delete the recording you just watched

[14:18:03]

Merlin83b:

I do think that putting a bit more in my Myth box would be good. 256MB doesn't quite seem to cut it.

[14:18:03]

armand:

however, sometimes, it doesnt get released

[14:18:23]

armand:

leading to swapage, leading to slowness, finishing with a restart of mythbackend

[14:18:56]

armand:

and thats .19-fixes

[14:19:03]

armand:

i cant narrow down wtf is happening though

[14:19:10]

armand:

because apparently that memory is getting allocated to an actual process

[14:19:13]

armand:

so i cant pmap it or anything

[14:19:31]

psofa:

hmmm i have another idea

[14:19:42]

psofa:

instead of doing what i said

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psofa:

one can run two fe's

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psofa:

one receiver one remote

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psofa:

and have a button on the remote assigned for switching lirc focus between the two fe's

[14:20:17]

psofa:

how would i do that?

[14:20:26]

armand:

not possible

[14:20:32]

psofa:

why?

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armand:

infact i dont even think 2 remotes on the same box controlly seperate instances of mythfronend is possible either

[14:21:28]

armand:

because of lircrc, id have to read the manpage, but i dont know if you can specific which lircd process to 'use'

[14:21:29]

psofa:

well i supposed this was possible

[14:21:43]

psofa:

you can have two daemons

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armand:

and 1 lircrc

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psofa:

and assign its daemon a seperate lircrc

[14:22:00]

psofa:

that is possible

[14:22:02]

armand:

and do you specify which daemon to connect to in lircrc?

[14:22:09]

psofa:

no

[14:22:11]

armand:

i dont in mine

[14:22:21]

psofa:

you tell each daemon which lircrc file to use

[14:22:24]

armand:

do you know how to specify which daemon to 'use'?

[14:22:33]

armand:

the daemon doesnt use an lircrc file

[14:22:39]

armand:

the lircd daemon uses lircd.conf

[14:22:58]

psofa:

:/

[14:23:28]

psofa:

i think the daemon uses the lircrc

[14:23:43]

psofa:

however myth seems to override that

[14:23:57]

psofa:

maybe im wrong

[14:24:02]

armand:

lircrc is not for the daemon, its for the programs

[14:24:09]

armand:

like xine, mplayer, mythtv, etc

[14:24:18]

armand:

if you can specify which device to use in lircrc, then its doable

[14:24:23]

armand:

however i dont feel like looking it up right now :)

[14:24:25]

armand:

feel free :)

[14:24:48]

psofa:

you can specify which remote

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psofa:

i know that

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armand:

how?

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psofa:

remote =

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armand:

thats for the button on the remote

[14:27:17]

armand:

heh

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psofa:

however i dont know if i can tell myth which lircrc file to use

[14:27:28]

psofa:

armand, yes

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armand:

thats not telling it what remote to use

[14:27:35]

armand:

;P

[14:27:35]

psofa:

no

[14:27:37]

psofa:

button =

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psofa:

wait

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armand:

remote, button are the same thing

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armand:

oh hrm

[14:28:08]

psofa:

no

[14:28:11]

psofa:

they are not the same

[14:28:19]

armand:

yeah i see, pulled up the manpage

[14:28:30]

psofa:

<psofa> however i dont know if i can tell myth which lircrc file to use

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armand:

that wouldnt be an issue

[14:28:52]

armand:

you'd need seperate users anyway

[14:28:52]

psofa:

id have to run the other fe as a different user

[14:28:54]

armand:

mythtv1 and mythtv2

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psofa:

why "anyway"?

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armand:

2 x instances

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psofa:

?

[14:29:29]

armand:

best to seperate it completely

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psofa:

i can run both as the same user

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armand:

easier to troubleshoot with sepearte users

[14:29:55]

armand:

unless you think it will all just magically work :)

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** pickler is back (gone 02:38:18) **

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psofa:

$MYTHCONFDIR Set the config dir (instead of ~/.mythtv)

[14:30:34]

psofa:

here you go

[14:30:43]

psofa:

ill have a seperate $MYTHCONFDIR

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armand:

again, i would go with ease, and just make 2 users

[14:30:46]

armand:

its *eaiser* that way.

[14:31:11]

armand:

thinking about it, 2 remotes would probably work. the box would know what reciever got the signal from what device it came in on

[14:31:21]

psofa:

ofc it will

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psofa:

what would be nice is the one remote two focuses

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psofa:

and switch focus with a button

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armand:

what would be the point in that?

[14:31:59]

psofa:

you wont need two remotes ffs

[14:32:01]

armand:

do you have 2 tvs in your living room or something?

[14:32:05]

psofa:

yes

[14:32:07]

psofa:

i have one tv

[14:32:14]

armand:

then why do you need 2 remotes

[14:32:15]

psofa:

plus one monitor attached to the fe

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psofa:

?

[14:32:45]

armand:

lol.

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psofa:

??

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sixy:

hi there – is there a way to start mythfrontend with a different config location to normal?

[14:55:08]

Juski:

lol sixy

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sixy:

actually let me re-ask that. is there a way to run a command as a differnt user from within a bash script

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gardengnome:

sixy: man sudo, man su

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Juski:

sudoku?

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sixy:

yeah but not as root. as different standard users

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sixy:

lol

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armand:

su does not imply root

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** sixy does a man su **

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armand:

yeah check it out, very useful

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ivor:

holy crapmy legs are getting rather hot under my desk. :(

[14:56:59]

ivor:

four 3.4G xeons pump out a bit of heat.

[14:57:07]

sixy:

ahhh ok thanks ppl

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stuarta:

mmm, personal space heater.

[14:57:44]

sixy:

cant belive it – the answer was easy for the first time ever :D:D:D

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Juski:

our new building looks to have plenty aircon :-)

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Juski:

it'll need it for the champagne baths in the directors' offices

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gardengnome:

Juski: yeah, but that's bad for their cocaine parties

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Juski:

rofl

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sixy:

hmmm is there a way to avoid having to speifcy a password when you do su? the password prompt breaks my script rather badly

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gardengnome:

use sudo?

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sixy:

bah – sudos manual confused me :(

[15:12:17]

gardengnome:

heh

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gardengnome:

yep. /etc/sudoers gave me mighty headaches

[15:12:33]

armand:

sudo is easy ;p

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armand:

just check out sudoers, im sure it has some examples

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armand:

though.. isnt sudo for root only

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armand:

oh, dr, its not

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Spida:

when is the next version of mythtv to be expected?

[15:14:15]

armand:

oh lord

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armand:

the bugs arent even worked out of .19 yet

[15:14:21]

armand:

hehe

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stuarta:

Spida: how long is a piece of string?

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armand:

people must think you guys do nothing but code mythtv 24/7

[15:18:19]

armand:

hehe

[15:18:47]

stuarta:

i have a struggle finding testing slots in between my recordings...

[15:19:11]

armand:

im not allowed to play with myth anymore

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armand:

the girlfriend forbids it

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armand:

heh

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armand:

i brought down the backend during one of her shows and.. well.. you remember that satellite pick of hurricane katrina in the gulf

[15:20:02]

qu0zl:

yeah mine gets really worried when i tell her i'll be messing with the pvr at all :(

[15:20:04]

armand:

that was about the shape and size of her rage

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qu0zl:

all because the damn thing didn't record the last 30 minutes of the 90 minute series 2 finale of battlestar :(

[15:21:43]

stuarta:

i had one really bad weekend a few months ago. missed 2 part 2 of 2 final episodes of the series, plus movie length finale of farscape :(

[15:22:14]

Dagmar:

You haven't seen it *yet*?

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qu0zl:

hehe

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stuarta:

they haven't repeated it :(

[15:22:42]

qu0zl:

well if it's any consolation, it was really good ;)

[15:23:33]

stuarta:

i've decided my GF is a curse, everything I tell her I'm recording that, something happens to kill it.

[15:23:42]

stuarta:

s/everything/every time/

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armand:

you need to escape your space

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armand:

;)

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Dagmar:

You need a dual-tuner card, man

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stuarta:

Dagmar: that won't help. have 2 already

[15:24:42]

Dagmar:

Then you need a dedicated backend

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Dagmar:

When you've got it working correctly it really doesn't matter where in the house you are if you have 100b-T

[15:25:24]

stuarta:

it not that. I always run bleeding edge & when something important is on I "discover" a new bug :-)

[15:25:50]

qu0zl:

you need two backends

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qu0zl:

one for her and one for you

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stuarta:

thankfully, there are fewer and fewer of those of late.

[15:26:08]

Juski:

more incentive to get stuff fixed :-P

[15:26:25]

stuarta:

oh, she doesn't get a look in, she comes round to mine to watch the movies :)

[15:26:26]

Dagmar:

Sounds like you need to stop cutting yourself on SVN

[15:26:39]

Dagmar:

Tarballs, at least, are usually somewhat predictable as to when they'll blow up

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** stuarta actually fixes things **

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Juski:

fixes lots of stuff and for that I at least am very grateful :-)

[15:27:02]

Dagmar:

Good thing I make my own binaries

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stuarta:

I now leave it on a known version when I have recordings coming up.

[15:27:35]

Dagmar:

That's the magic clue

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Juski:

oh there's something.. in the near future I might need a hand in making a dual install for the show.. stable & not-so-stable ;-)

[15:27:49]

Dagmar:

I don't mess about on production machines for that sort of reason

[15:27:59]

Spida:

stuarta, armand: mythtv.org say there is a release to be expected in the "nearish future"...

[15:28:06]

** stuarta lacks a production machine... **

[15:28:41]

Juski:

nearish future... what? in terms of the life expectancy of the universe or sooner?

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Dagmar:

Juski: Why not just clone the stable release and run `while true; do kill -$(($RANDOM && 15)) $RANDOM; sleep $RANDOM; done

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Dagmar:

Instability simulator. ;)

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stuarta:

there was a discussion on -dev yesterday.

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Spida:

Juski: that was what I wanted to know...

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Spida:

http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/ddcBOi86.html <- anybody seen that before?

[15:29:36]

Juski:

Dagmar: no I'm gonna want two seperate installs.. one of 0.19 (or 0.19.1 release) and one running svn

[15:30:00]

Juski:

if it's too much like hard work I'll stick to the latest 'stable' instead

[15:30:06]

Dagmar:

Oh, you need 21 partiitons like I'm cursed with here then

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Dagmar:

Four separate installtions of things here, which would NOT be maintainable if I didn't have scripts for pouring one set of partitions into another like so much magic sand

[15:31:01]

Juski:

I thought I'd be able to keep them apart on the same system with different DBs so long as they're not running at the same time

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Dagmar:

I find it easier just to boot with a different / partition mounting entirely separate /var and /usr sets, with only /home /tmp and /space as common elements

[15:31:50]

Juski:

I might even learn something in the process

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Juski:

even though I'm only after having two would it be _that_ much easier farting on with partitions?

[15:32:57]

Juski:

ah screw it I'll stick to the stable version

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Dagmar:

With multiple partition sets you do not even have to address the problem of parallel installs in the same filesystem

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Dagmar:

If I wanna be tacky I can drop to runlevel 2 and switch out /usr

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Juski:

there's nothing 'killer' coming along IMHO – mytharchive & the gl ui are all well & good but at the end of the day they don't make _that_ much difference in terms of showing off what myth can do

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Dagmar:

xris: Is there a reason the optimize_repair.pl script disappeared off your site? Is there some evil boojum side-effect you found that I haven't foreseen for doing that?

[15:34:59]

Juski:

there's only a few weeks to go & I have plenty more to do than compile four lots of everything :-)

[15:36:07]

** Juski wonders if that P4 motherboard he just removed the PS2 connectors from actually _is_ broken **

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Juski:

well, it is now!

[15:37:40]

** eidolon does the happy dance. **

[15:37:55]

** eidolon just bought a 50" HDTV DLP unit. **

[15:38:21]

highway:

comcast sucks, they encrypted the rest of the channels in my area

[15:38:36]

xris:

Dagmar: it's in contrib

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highway:

no good channels left

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eidolon:

highway: go all DVD. *nod* :)

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eidolon:

that'll fix 'em!

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highway:

i need to be able to decrypt the digital cable or get around the broadcast flag on the firewire

[15:39:48]

psofa:

how much cpu does the commercial skipping want?

[15:39:59]

Juski:

I'm all for ditching tv when it all goes DRM'd to the hilt. screw them

[15:40:09]

armand:

juski: same

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armand:

with tv torrents and ftp sites dealing strictly in tv, getting tv is not a problem

[15:40:33]

Juski:

highway: you could spend _weeks_ looking for a 5c workaround. if there is one, it's being kept well hidden & underground

[15:40:37]

armand:

at least, the few shows id actually want to watch

[15:40:50]

highway:

i'd like to implement it

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highway:

need specs

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Juski:

armand: when the final nails are in the coffin, there will be nothing to download

[15:41:13]

highway:

anyone know someone who works at one of the 5 companies?

[15:41:25]

armand:

juski: "there's always a way" hehe

[15:41:41]

Juski:

highway: the specs are as follows... pay them $$$$$$$$$$$, and they tell you what you need

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armand:

haha nicer

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armand:

-r

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highway:

that works for me, who do i pay, and how much?

[15:42:21]

armand:

pay me and i;ll dance around and do skits in a box for you

[15:42:25]

armand:

trust me, its just as good as tv

[15:42:44]

highway:

you know, i don't even watch anything but comedy central anymore

[15:42:49]

Juski:

better still, provide more funding for a political party than all of the 5c member companies put together, then ask for a bill to overturn the DMCA

[15:42:50]

highway:

daily show and colbert report

[15:43:05]

Dagmar:

At least they have unbiased reporting

[15:43:15]

armand:

where's your </sarcasm> tag

[15:43:18]

armand:

:P

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psofa:

can i decode mpeg2 and do commercial flagging on an 1200mhz thunderbird frontend&&backend box

[15:43:27]

highway:

yeah

[15:43:36]

Juski:

psofa: I'd recommend you do the flagging out of hours

[15:43:43]

psofa:

?

[15:43:49]

armand:

not on the fly

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Juski:

when you're not watching tv

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armand:

useing low cpu priority would help too. on my boxes, in 'low priority' it uses 15% cpu for each commflag process

[15:44:20]

armand:

thats on an xp3200

[15:44:40]

Juski:

and run only one job at a time.. that will help

[15:44:59]

psofa:

can i tell myth to commflag when theres another cpu consuming thing happening?

[15:45:05]

psofa:

*erm

[15:45:08]

psofa:

when theres not

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stuarta:

you can put a time window on it

[15:45:28]

Juski:

anyway – highway – if you ever succeed in getting past 5c, make sure you don't tell anyone how you did it – unless you like jail food

[15:45:31]

highway:

if you choose low priority it won't affect other processes

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psofa:

nice

[15:45:51]

highway:

exactly... nice

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psofa:

:P

[15:46:12]

highway:

people like me don't goto jail

[15:46:23]

highway:

i have a good lawyer

[15:46:28]

armand:

you go to camp cupcake instead then?

[15:46:32]

Juski:

what do you do for a living? politics? :-P

[15:46:40]

highway:

yes

[15:46:58]

Juski:

heh.. then in some small part, you're to blame for your own predicament

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highway:

no... not me... i'm political... not government

[15:47:22]

Juski:

ah

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armand:

yeah it sucks that my stepdad is probably partially at fault for this shit too

[15:47:44]

armand:

he's in .gov politics bullshit

[15:47:53]

armand:

and we constaly spar off

[15:47:57]

armand:

since i hate dub

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armand:

heh

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Dagmar:

Well, someone will come up with a viable torrenting app for video before then

[15:48:50]

highway:

I decree that hence forth it is illegal to withhold any digital content from me.

[15:49:43]

highway:

i've been working on an app that streams content via bittorrent like interfaces using XMPP as a backend/network

[15:50:20]

highway:

so... soon i shall release a beta and google talk will become the biggest filesharing network out there

[15:50:23]

armand:

that kind of goes against the bittorrent way doesnt it

[15:50:30]

armand:

since to stream video you'd have to download packets sequencially

[15:50:57]

highway:

prioritize the data

[15:51:20]

highway:

it works, but not all that well with large videos

[15:51:30]

highway:

lower res stuff works fine

[15:51:35]

highway:

audio works perfectly

[15:51:58]

Dagmar:

It can be done if you don't mind latency being rather sizeable

[15:52:02]

highway:

our goal is to turn the whole network into a mountable file system

[15:52:06]

Dagmar:

Remember, rarest-first is a lot like newest-first

[15:52:57]

psofa:

i suppose the ivtv package has utils for channel scanning on a pvr150, right? Because ive no tvguide etc :(

[15:53:16]

Dagmar:

psofa: Lookie at all the perl scripts it comes with

[15:53:34]

psofa:

Dagmar, does this mean "yes" ?

[15:53:50]

Mika_i_:

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psofa:

im just asking in case i end up with a useless card

[15:54:08]

Mika_i_:

sorry wrong channel

[15:54:23]

Dagmar:

psofa: yes

[15:54:27]

psofa:

:)

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marmoset:

It looks like I'm running into memory leaks in mythtranscode when reencoding hd content (probably because of errors in the stream). Anyone know of a workaround?

[15:54:42]

highway:

well my brand new pcHDTV 5500 card is useless to me now... comcast encrypted the channels i want

[15:54:56]

highway:

anyone want it?

[15:55:09]

Dagmar:

highway: Premium channels?

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Dagmar:

Let's just say the encryption is not all it's cracked up to be

[15:55:45]

highway:

only thing i get is one of the public access channels, the preview channels, and a weather channel

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dev:

Dagmar: thats what im hoping

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dev:

but i still havent setup firewire capture here

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dev:

to play

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dev:

;/

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highway:

firewire has gotten the best results for me

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marmoset:

highway: in seattle I'm getting like 8 hd channels from comcast ;)

[15:57:09]

highway:

rub it in

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dev:

firewire would be the least amount of cost incurred for me :)

[15:57:24]

SwedishMoose:

Hi all.. I can't get the plugins / themes working, what's wrong? ;)

[15:57:24]

SwedishMoose:

Seriously though. I've installed both themes and plugins, but none seem to show up in mythfrontend.. Any ideas?

[15:57:24]

dev:

second choice would be air2pc card

[15:58:02]

Dagmar:

SwedishMoose: it only uses one prefix. Did you forget to specify --prefix=/usr, perhaps?

[15:58:03]

dev:

i wonder if optonline/io encrypt hd

[15:58:05]

dev:

anyone here use them?

[15:58:25]

SwedishMoose:

Dagmar: In the ./configure you mean?

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Dagmar:

SwedishMoose: Yes. All three packages need the same prefix argument handed to them

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SwedishMoose:

ok, that might be the problem, i'll check it out. Only problem, i used pacman for installing mythtv, so i'm not quite sure what was used there..

[15:59:50]

Dagmar:

Sweet and sour ignorance.

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dev:

mmmm, with knowledgenuggets

[16:00:13]

Dagmar:

"blind" package managers like that are generally the source of more problems than they're worth

[16:00:48]

SwedishMoose:

I wouldn't say that, they're pretty handy

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dev:

you'd say that if you knew more about the os

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dev:

blind ie hide things from you

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SwedishMoose:

I know the problems, but don't come and say it isn't the faster way of installing what you need

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dev:

that isnt what dagmar said. but ok

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dev:

=]

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highway1:

i think i'm going to go back to stealing satellite... i'm tired of paying $170.00 a month for cable channels that they won't let me do what i want with

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SwedishMoose:

I know, i was just presenting a positive thing about package managers =)

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Dagmar:

Dude, when you have to spend hours backtracking to figure out where it broke one thing, all that time you "saved" is just gone.

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Dagmar:

I build actual packages.

[16:03:22]

Dagmar:

I do not have these problems associated with just throwing stuff at the filesystem and hoping it sticks.

[16:03:36]

Dagmar:

No script can read the output of ./configure --help as well as a human over the age of nine

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SwedishMoose:

Then again, you're way better than me ;)

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SwedishMoose:

Well, that's true, but finding all dependencies can be a headache sometimes

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highway1:

gentoo makes headaches like that go away

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Dagmar:

Only if your hard drive is rather bare to begin with

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dev:

i like gentoo's portage. but im a freebsd ports guy so it kind of clicks with me

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dev:

i also dont mind writing my own ebuilds

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Dagmar:

Google and rpmfind are your friends when it comes to deciphering dependencies

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dev:

cardoe is slacking lately with mythtv hehe

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Dagmar:

Generally, if someone's gotten an RPM into rpmfind, their spec file will tell you everything you want to know, and Google can find the source

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highway1:

i think my /usr/local/portage is the same size as /usr/portage

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Dagmar:

Ack. That reminds me I need to do a release tonight. Doh

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SwedishMoose:

Since i've spent most of my linux time on arch linux, i'm not too familiar w/ rpm's

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dev:

that doesnt make any sense

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bilbravo:

i ordered my catpure card from newegg yesterday at lunchtime, selected 3-day ups and the thing got here today

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psofa:

in all comercials the broadcasters logo appears.So how the commflag will detect commercials?

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Juski:

psofa: it'll have a hard job

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xris:

psofa: commflag is getting many updates for summer of code, though

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marmoset:

hey xris

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xris:

morning

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sixy:

is there a way to run a command from within a bash script as another (non-root) user that doesnt involove sudo?

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marmoset:

sixy: not afaik

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marmoset:

linux doesn't let shell scripts be suid/sgid I don't think

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xris:

sixy: su will do it...

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sixy:

is there a way to get a user to autologin to a fake terminal in order to run the command?

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xris:

marmoset: correct... nifty feature of solaris, though

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sixy:

xris – afaik there is no way to use su without a password prompt

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xris:

sixy: can force sudo within the script itself

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gardengnome:

sixy: well, it works if you're root :)

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marmoset:

sixy: root stuff will do su without a password ;)

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sixy:

yeah but sudo doesnt play nicely with my xserver

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xris:

and configure sudo for that user and that command not to request a password

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xris:

sixy: that's not sudo. that's x

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marmoset:

anyone have much experience reencoding hd content?

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sixy:

never the less, they dont work together

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xris:

marmoset: I have a lot of experience trying and failing

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xris:

mythtranscode has issues with HD and the fifo method.

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marmoset:

xris: heh, I've got plenty of that so far ;)

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marmoset:

xris: that would be the memory issue? :)

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xris:

direct-to-ffmpeg seems to work, though.

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xris:

no, green tint, loss of vertical hold

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marmoset:

oh haha

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marmoset:

that was my new issue ;)

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xris:

best solution at the moment is to use mythtv's mpeg2cut stuff to remove commercials, and then encode the file directly with ffmpeg

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marmoset:

I did two pass first, and after a while mythtranscode was using 1.5G of ram and had gone from 8fps to .0somethingfps

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marmoset:

tried single pass and got the green/loss of hold

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marmoset:

hmm, ok, I'll give that a shot. I'm primarily just trying to deinterlace, since I can't seem to get enough cpu horsepower to do it on the fly

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xris:

ahh

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xris:

pretty sure the "green" issue is a bug in mythtranscode. Captain_Murdoch was supposed to help me track it down, but he's a bit distracted by his new baby

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marmoset:

I wish you could do something like set frontend prefs based on the filetype or something, so it would deinterlace and denoise for SD channels, but just deinterlace for HD

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kormoc:

marmoset, what happens when HD and SD are both mpeg2 files?

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marmoset:

kormoc: yeah, that's the case for me anyway, so maybe based on the channel it was recorded on or something

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marmoset:

or auto-figure-it-out based on resolution or something

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kormoc:

Heh, it would just be nice to auto-detect interlacing imho.

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xris:

kormoc: it does

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xris:

well, svn does

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kormoc:

Nifty

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daxxar:

Hm. Is there anywhere that lists the settings set in the mysqldb?

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DexterF:

hi

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jams:

select * from settings ?

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xris:

daxxar: mythweb in svn has a settings editor, too

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DexterF:

some trouble with xmltv updates, tv_grab complains "cannot find date on requested page" <- don't know what to make of this

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DexterF:

tv_grab_de_tvtoday that is

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xris:

DexterF: means the page layout probably changed

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daxxar:

Well, my mysql-db is missing the master backend setting. What's the names of those?

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xris:

DexterF: might have better luck in #mythtv-de, too

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daxxar:

I'm too lazy to reboot to the Ubuntu workstation that used to host the db.

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daxxar:

(to dump it)

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DexterF:

xris: ah, site change, you're right

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jams:

daxxer BackendServerIP

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daxxar:

Thanks

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Eureka:

Error: Missing Dependency: libmp4ff.so.0, I'm trying to set up MythTV on fedora5, this is installing mythtv-suite

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Eureka:

anyone, sleeping?

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m13a8:

haha! i have that same error

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m13a8:

ok, what i did, check if you have faad2 installed right now by running "rpm -qa |grep faad2" and if that is installed, which it probably is you're going to need to remove it without getting rid of it's dependencies

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m13a8:

with "rpm -e faad2 --nodeps"

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m13a8:

and then install the fc3 version of faad2 found here ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/dag/fedora/3/en/i386/ . . . .rf.i386.rpm

[18:25:51]

m13a8:

it's funny you asked, i'm fixing the same exact problem right now

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b8zs:

does mythtv require Qt

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gardengnome:

b8zs: yes

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Cardoe:

yes

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b8zs:

hmmm i cant find the qt package in gentoo's portage

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Cardoe:

b8zs: emerge mythtv

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** kormoc laughs **

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Cardoe:

kormoc: hey buddy

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b8zs:

i tried that

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kormoc:

hey there Cardoe

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kormoc:

b8zs, and?

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Cardoe:

b8zs: Install a different distro.

[18:31:18]

Cardoe:

kormoc: I'm specing out a new Myth box

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b8zs:

got a bunch of undefined reference's

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b8zs:

../../libs/libmythtv/libmythtv-0.19.so: undefined reference to `virtual thunk to ManagedListSetting::qt_invoke(int, QUObject*)'

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Cardoe:

trying to decide on some hardware

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kormoc:

b8zs, toss it all up on pastebin.ca

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kormoc:

Cardoe, yeah?

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b8zs:

k

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Cardoe:

kormoc: got a raise at work... they retro-ed it to previous pay period

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Cardoe:

so my check was decent

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Cardoe:

so...

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kormoc:

Nice!

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Cardoe:

since my Myth hardware is kinda lacking right now..

[18:32:32]

Cardoe:

since ivtv doesn't work on PPC currently.

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b8zs:

http://pastebin.ca/61118

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** kormoc nods **

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Cardoe:

b8zs: gcc version?

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b8zs:

at first glance it looks like a qt issue

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b8zs:

4.1.0

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Cardoe:

equery l qt

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b8zs:

x11-libs/qt-3.3.6

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b8zs:

hmmm

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kormoc:

b8zs, did you compile qt with gcc 4.1?

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b8zs:

yes

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Dagmar:

That just reeks of new gcc-isms

[18:35:26]

Cardoe:

yeah

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Cardoe:

it stanks of gcc-3 / gcc-4 issues

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b8zs:

damnit

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Cardoe:

b8zs: revdep-rebuild

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Cardoe:

http://www.pcalchemy.com/product_info.php/pNa . . . ae8493f0d4b1

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** kormoc sighs and starts updating his home testbox to gcc 4.1 **

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Cardoe:

Thinking about that case.

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kormoc:

Cardoe, looks nice

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Cardoe:

gcc 4.1... hahaha pansies... gcc 4.2!

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Dagmar:

You may be interested in knowing that each new major release of gcc (and sometimes minor ones) tends to actually involve changes to their actual C++ interpretation, breaking a lot of what was formerly considered solid/sane code

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Cardoe:

just kidding

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Cardoe:

Dagmar: it's not like QT is considered sane and solid code.

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diamon:

Dagmar: Yeah, it always proves fun for optimizations...

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Dagmar:

...and building a lib with one version of gcc and then linking it to something else using a newer version of gcc is just laughable at times.

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Cardoe:

I told TrollTech last week that for every bug I find

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Cardoe:

major show stopper

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Cardoe:

like ... oh... QT HANGING on Mac OSX 10.3

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Cardoe:

their own apps don't draw a window

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Cardoe:

just hang

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Cardoe:

I'm subtracting $100 off my licensing fee

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b8zs:

well Dagmar, i built everything with the same version of gcc

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diamon:

With MythPhone, what codec(s) does it use or have by default? Anyone happen to know?

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kormoc:

looks like svn head is gcc 4.1 solid (based on mailing list posts)

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Dagmar:

b8zs: You dodged a bullet there then, but that pastebin still looks like the sort of noise I'm used to seeing when something was written for a previous version of gcc

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b8zs:

;(

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Dagmar:

diamon: You tried ldd'ing it's binary? that might yield some hints without even having to glance at docs

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Eureka:

m13a8, those comments were given to me?

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m13a8:

Eureka: yes, that's how i fixed it just now

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kormoc:

Dagmar, those are compile time errors, it doesn't build a binary

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kormoc:

ooh

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kormoc:

wrong reply

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Eureka:

m13a8, but in fedora 5 that faad2 was not installed

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diamon:

Dagmar: Hmmm, good idea.

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m13a8:

Eureka: ok, then install the rpm that i linked to

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m13a8:

i'm running fedora 5 too

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Eureka:

m13a8, really

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m13a8:

yea

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diamon:

Dagmar: Foo, mythphone as a program name doesn't exist. Does that mean I left it out of my RPM install, or is it named something else?

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Eureka:

m13a8, are you setting up mythtv now?

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Dagmar:

diamon: Dunno. I have it built. Lemme see if I can find it

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diamon:

Dagmar: Thanks, if you would be so kind!

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xris:

Eureka: fc5, enable atrpms and freshrpms and you *should* be fine.. might need to use atrpms testing repository instead of just the stable one, but it *should* work.

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m13a8:

well kindof, i just ran an update and it made me remove mythmusic for a while, so i was at the same place i started, but i have used that fix twice

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Dagmar:

diamon: it's /usr/lib/libmythphone.so here.

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Eureka:

m13a8, i hope

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m13a8:

xris: i found that the newest version of faad2 doesn't provide libmp4ff.so.0, so that's why i had to install the fc3 version

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Dagmar:

Erk that's not right

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xris:

m13a8: freaky

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m13a8:

lol yea

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diamon:

Ah, ok, I thought it was a standalone executable, like the others. Found it here, thanks.

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Dagmar:

Sorry. /usr/lib/mythtv/plugins/libmythphone.so

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Eureka:

xris, m13a8 , i'm using the doc here: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php#sw

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Dagmar:

I am way in the red zone on sleep deprivation

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Eureka:

xris, m13a8 , which is for FC4

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quicksilver:

hi guys

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xris:

m13a8: /usr/lib64/libmp4ff.so.0

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xris:

my faad2 comes from freshrpms, though

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quicksilver:

any UK users here? I'm having failures getting the radio times data

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xris:

quicksilver: error about a date not being found on the page?

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quicksilver:

could not fetch http://xmltv.radiotimes.com/xmltv/channels.dat, aborting

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m13a8:

xris: are you running x86_64?

[18:44:52]

** Dagmar runs and hides at the mention of faad2 **

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diamon:

Arrgh, nothing obvious in the linker stuff, though there's two libs I can't swear to the contents of... The Great Lord Gogle shall assist me in my QUEST! RAR!

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quicksilver:

ok that's weird

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quicksilver:

I can get it by hand

[18:46:03]

quicksilver:

odd

[18:46:19]

xris:

m13a8: that should be obvious

[18:46:24]

Eureka:

m13a8, xris , is there a good doc that you guys recommend for setting up mythth in FC5

[18:46:33]

xris:

Eureka: jarod wilson's guide

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m13a8:

Eureka: yea, let me find the one i used

[18:47:08]

xris:

it's not 100% up to date (jarod's settling in at his new house and new job at redhat), but it should be mostly complete

[18:47:19]

m13a8:

http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php

[18:47:34]

diamon:

Eureka: For the record, my i865-based P4 system had so many odd problems with FC5's install and config, I gave up and used FC4. Just a heads-up...

[18:47:34]

m13a8:

wait, that's the one he's using

[18:47:56]

quicksilver:

ok I'm an idiot :P my myth box had lost its default route is all that was wrong

[18:48:04]

quicksilver:

funny how talking things through reveals thr problem :P

[18:48:09]

Eureka:

I have a tv tuner and I connect it through the TV using a PC, that's why I want to set it mythtv, it's going to be cool if I can set it up,

[18:48:19]

diamon:

quicksilver: Eh, silliness happens. Fixing it is what counts. :)

[18:48:36]

xris:

Eureka: that's what mythtv is for

[18:48:50]

Eureka:

xris, i think so too

[18:48:54]

m13a8:

eureka: oh yea, mythtv is awesome. i got mine all set up and ready, yet i'm still waiting for my tv tuner lol

[18:49:19]

diamon:

Eureka: Yeah, I love my myth system. 420Gb of data space at 2.2gb/hour, LOTS of recordings. And if I ever bother figuring out commercial recording, it'll store a lot more still!

[18:49:22]

Eureka:

m13a8, so you set it up before you have your tv tuner?

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xris:

diamon: weird... have had no trouble with my pentium 820 system and fc4 or 5.

[18:49:50]

Eureka:

diamon, I'm eager to set it up now after some of the comments here

[18:49:59]

m13a8:

yea, i decided to, because the setup was probably gonna take me a long time, and now i have time to mess with the other multimedia features of it (mythgame, mythmusic, mythdvd, etc...)

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Eureka:

diamon, could you record DVD? I mean it's kind of transfer VHS to mpg, avi, wmv, ?

[18:50:56]

diamon:

xris: i865's seem to have it worst, with a "lost interrupt ##, does anybody care?" message when doing ANYTHING with the DVD/CD drive.

[18:50:59]

Eureka:

diamon, I mean convert

[18:51:23]

m13a8:

eureka: yea, you can record a VHS to a VCD format and burn that, and most dvd players will play vcd's

[18:51:43]

diamon:

Eureka: I could download my TV recordings and burn them to CD/DVD/whatever, with the proper tools on my other system, but I haven't done anything for recording directly from MythTV, sorry.

[18:51:44]

m13a8:

should be able to anyway, if your card supports composite/svideo in

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Eureka:

m13a8, how do you figure that the card supports com/svideo in?

[18:52:55]

diamon:

Yeah, I need to set up my svideo/composite stuff in Myth just to bugger with that, but I'm always so short on time anymore.

[18:53:16]

m13a8:

Eureka: what tuner card do you have?

[18:53:36]

m13a8:

are you trying to figure out if it has it, or wondering if it has to have it

[18:53:40]

Cardoe:

kormoc: debating if it's worth the extra $$ for a silverstone case

[18:53:48]

diamon:

Dagmar: Looks like I'll need to hit up the docs, I can't figure out what codecs it has based on the library linkages.

[18:54:29]

kormoc:

Cardoe, I don't think so myself, cause how often do people screw with the insides of their mythbox?

[18:54:40]

diamon:

Eureka: For the record, I love my Hauppage PVR-150. Might not be what you need, but for my analog TV needs it is great.

[18:55:02]

Eureka:

m13a8, kword

[18:55:03]

diamon:

kormoc: How often they should, and how often they do are surely very different numbers. :)

[18:55:56]

Cardoe:

well I also need to figure out what to do for a remote

[18:56:06]

Cardoe:

the Silverstone cases have built in IR

[18:56:16]

Cardoe:

I dunno if their "iMon" stuff is Windows only

[18:56:21]

kormoc:

I'm actually really digging my Microsoft MCE remote

[18:56:31]

m13a8:

eureka: do you have a model number or something? chanses are that it does support svideo in but not composite in, if that's the case then you should be able to find a composite to svideo bridge

[18:57:04]

Eureka:

m13a8, does the lspci give anything useful, if yes I will post it here

[18:57:12]

diamon:

Cardoe: Hmm, that's sort of useful, but you'd need to make sure it's not a serial IR link, I don't think that operates the same as IR remotes... I got my PVR-150 as the kit with the remote just to make things easier for me.

[18:57:35]

m13a8:

Eureka: it may, or do you still have the box that it came in?

[18:57:35]

Eureka:

m13a8, It's kind of tough to look now

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m13a8:

Eureka: that's ok

[18:58:00]

Eureka:

m13a8, I don't , i misplaced it somewhere

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m13a8:

Eureka: well it probably supports svideo but not composite, if that's the case, you should be able to find a composite to s video adapter/dongle/bridge whatever, i have one of those from my ati all-in-wonder card that isn't supported with mythtv

[18:59:24]

Eureka:

m13a8, I know that it has svideo

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Eureka:

m13a8, not sure about composite

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Cardoe:

diamon: well I'll probably be getting rid of my PVR-150s

[19:00:09]

Cardoe:

so... I need a remote option

[19:00:18]

Cardoe:

kormoc: did it come with a module?

[19:00:36]

Eureka:

m13a8, 00:08.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture (rev 11)

[19:00:38]

Eureka:

00:08.1 Multimedia controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Audio Capture (rev 11)

[19:00:41]

kormoc:

Cardoe, you mean a ir receiver?

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m13a8:

hmm, well that tells me that it's most definatly running bttv drivers, but not much else

[19:01:26]

Eureka:

m13a8, does that tell you anything

[19:01:34]

m13a8:

Eureka: i'm looking for a composite/rca to s video adapter, and that really didn't tell me much

[19:02:03]

Eureka:

m13a8, let me go and look for the box,

[19:02:10]

m13a8:

Eureka: ok

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Darthy:

does anyone have a zapway ir receiver?

[19:07:50]

Hoxzer:

yeah

[19:08:50]

Darthy:

how did you configure lirc?

[19:09:07]

Hoxzer:

I used howto on knoppmyth wiki but it is only for knoppmyth users

[19:09:11]

Cardoe:

kormoc: yes

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Darthy:

lirc is standard.. knoppmyth will use it too

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xris:

diamon: mine's an 865 chipset and I've had no trouble

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m13a8:

Eureka: are you back? sorry i left for a bit, my computer threw a fit

[19:28:06]

Eureka:

m13a8, I'm looking for the specs online to give you the link

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m13a8:

Eurka: ok

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Eureka:

m13a8, here is the link: http://www.kworldcomputer.com/product/analog/006/pvr-tv713x.htm

[19:29:35]

Eureka:

m13a8, it has the composite for inputs

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m13a8:

Eureka: there is a composite video in, but not audio in

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Eureka:

m13a8, what does that mean?

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Eureka:

m13a8, does that mean I can't convert from VHS to files using by computers

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m13a8:

Eureka: it means that you could plug a vcr video line into it, but there wouldn't be any wound i'm pretty sure. you would probably have better luck looking at your manuel

[19:31:34]

Eureka:

m13a8, you mean no sound?

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kormoc:

Cardoe, aye, ir receiver, ir remote and ir keyboard

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Cardoe:

cool

[19:32:03]

Cardoe:

kormoc: what case do you have?

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m13a8:

Eureka: you can, look at you're manual and see what it says if anything, and if nothing, you can get http://www.pccables.com/cgi-bin/orders6.cgi?a . . . site=f.70716 which you plug inot your svideo in port, and then your vcr into that adapter

[19:32:33]

diamon:

Eureka: Basically, you may need to record the sound and video separately and get them back together after the fact.

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kormoc:

Cardoe, a cheap one, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16856117002

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m13a8:

Eureka: what diamon said will work too

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marmoset:

anyone have both SD and HD cards and have a config for their front end which works displaying either format well?

[19:35:29]

Cardoe:

SFC power supplies are the quiet ones?

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marmoset:

I use denoise and deinterlace for sd stuff and it looks tons better because of it, but that uses way too much cpu on HD content (and the denoise doesn't really do much for hd anyway)

[19:36:13]

Cardoe:

kormoc: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811204003

[19:36:18]

Cardoe:

kormoc: that's super cheap

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Cardoe:

might do that.

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Cardoe:

kormoc: compared to the silverstone cases

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Cardoe:

kormoc: and it comes with a power supply and card reader and fans... all addons for SilverStone

[19:36:42]

Eureka:

diamon, I don't mind doing two things seperately, I just want to know if it's doable

[19:37:01]

diamon:

marmoset: Err, 'displaying either format well'?

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Eureka:

diamon, you mean using the same card, right but extra work

[19:37:24]

kormoc:

Cardoe, yeah, looks great

[19:37:35]

kormoc:

Cardoe, I think I would have bought that one if it was that cheap at the time

[19:38:02]

kormoc:

Cardoe, ooh, no mobo tho

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marmoset:

diamon: SD looks like poo without denoise, HD can't have denoise because it takes like 3x the CPU of what's in there (amd 64 3000)

[19:38:32]

marmoset:

I can go into prefs and swap back and forth depending on what I want, but that's a huge pita

[19:38:38]

Eureka:

m13a8, rpm -ivh faad2–2.0–8.fc3.rf.i386.rpm --> file /usr/lib/libmp4v2.so.0.0.0 from install of faad2–2.0–8.fc3.rf conflicts with file from package libmp4v2–1.4.1–3.lvn5

[19:38:41]

Cardoe:

kormoc: yours came with a MoBo?

[19:38:50]

diamon:

Eureka: If you can feed to the capture card in any fashion, it doesn't care what the audio is up to really. Yeah, same card, extra work. If you plan to convert home videos to DVD though it may be less painful to just capture them with a Hauppage PVR-### card so the input video will already be mpeg-2. Less conversion (if any) to get the video ready for DVD.

[19:38:58]

kormoc:

Cardoe, aye

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marmoset:

diamon: just curious if anyone else is in the same sitatuion and there's some neat solution I haven't thought of

[19:39:25]

diamon:

marmoset: Ah, I see what you mean. So you want deinterlacing on only one card, not both?

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m13a8:

Eureka: i've never seen that error before, lemme see what i can dig up

[19:40:38]

marmoset:

diamon: if possible, I'd like to do deinterlacing on both, but denoise on just the SD stuff. I'd even settle for automatic transcoding (with deinterlacing) of all shows that are recorded via HD, but that's not really possible either without some hacking

[19:40:52]

Eureka:

m13a8, ok

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marmoset:

at least, as far as I can tell

[19:41:23]

m13a8:

Eureka: that's interesting since i have the same exact version of libmp4v2 that you have too

[19:41:49]

diamon:

marmoset: Afraid I can't really help you on this, I only have one SD card right now, I just wanted to lend a hand by drawing out more details of what you were looking to do in case anyone else knows of a solution. :)

[19:42:01]

Eureka:

m13a8, we're running the same core

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m13a8:

yea

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m13a8:

try "rpm -ivh --force"

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marmoset:

diamon: yeah, I haven't found a ton of people doing thing successfully with hdtv, there's still a fair amount of black magic I think.

[19:42:51]

diamon:

Aiee! Don't force unless you MUST!

[19:43:09]

m13a8:

yes, it says there be a conflict

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m13a8:

and they both provide libmp4v2

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diamon:

marmoset: Probably like my wanting to use spdif output for all of my sounds, doesn't seem to be a lot of folks using anything but analog output.

[19:43:38]

m13a8:

Eureka: i guess you could try removing libmp4v2 with --nodeps then installing the fc3 version of faad

[19:43:38]

Eureka:

m13a8, let me try that

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marmoset:

yeah, I haven't even looked at that yet, although I would like to do it eventually

[19:43:57]

diamon:

m13a8: It's always better to find and remove any conflicting packages instead of possibly breaking things in interesting ways...

[19:44:14]

m13a8:

yea, Eureka, try the second way

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m13a8:

not the --force, unless you have already

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Eureka:

m13a8, not yet

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diamon:

Eureka: What FC is this, 3 or 4 or what?

[19:44:57]

Eureka:

diamon, FC5

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Cardoe:

hrm

[19:45:20]

Cardoe:

amd64

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Cardoe:

or core duo

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diamon:

Let me check my own install, see if I can find what the conflict might be, --nodeps and --force can break things in interesting ways.

[19:45:28]

m13a8:

ok well try "rpm -e libmp4v2 --nodeps" then "rpm -ivh faad2–2.0–8.fc3.rf.i386.rpm

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m13a8:

or, wait for diamon

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Eureka:

m13a8, that' s fine

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Eureka:

m13a8, as long as it works, I don't mind

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m13a8:

lol, it may work, i didn't run into problems with libmp4v2

[19:46:39]

Eureka:

m13a8, is it easier to set it up in gentoo

[19:46:57]

m13a8:

i have no experince in gentoo

[19:47:21]

Eureka:

m13a8, just asking because I have a gentoo system but no card

[19:47:37]

m13a8:

it may be easier in gentoo, you'd have to ask someone else about that

[19:47:57]

Cardoe:

what are you trying to do?

[19:48:02]

Cardoe:

I have some experience with Gentoo

[19:48:07]

Cardoe:

Seen it on a box or two.

[19:48:11]

Eureka:

m13a8, that could be in the future, but i have to set this guy up first with FC5

[19:48:34]

m13a8:

alright, i really don't know why you're getting a conflict with that

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Eureka:

Cardoe, I'm just asking to see whether or not it would be easier to set up mythtv with gentoo

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m13a8:

oh oh oh oh!! just for kicks try "sudo yum localinstall ./faad2–2.0–8.fc3.rf.i386.rpm"

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Eureka:

m13a8, was it because of the update that I made ealier (yum upgrade) but without rebooting?

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m13a8:

that is possible

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m13a8:

but

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m13a8:

try "sudo yum localinstall ./faad2–2.0–8.fc3.rf.i386.rpm" first

[19:51:04]

Eureka:

m13a8, because I didn't see anything important got updated , that's why

[19:51:23]

Eureka:

m13a8, let me try that

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m13a8:

ok, that might solve it for ya

[19:51:35]

Eureka:

m13a8, give me 5 mins

[19:52:07]

Eureka:

m13a8, i'm running a yum upgrade again,

[19:52:19]

m13a8:

ok

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Eureka:

m13a8, i've heard that with two cards you can make mythtv be picture in picture, correct?

[19:53:30]

m13a8:

i don' tknow

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Eureka:

m13a8, i like that feature though, especiall two soccer games at the same time

[19:54:13]

m13a8:

lol yea, that's pretty cool

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Eureka:

su./faad2–2.0–8.fc3.rf.i386.rpm: does not update installed package

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m13a8:

hmm?

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m13a8:

well, that's weird

[19:56:16]

m13a8:

tell me does the file /usr/lib/libmp4ff.so.0 exist?

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Eureka:

m13a8, let me check

[19:57:05]

Eureka:

m13a8, yes it's there

[19:57:16]

m13a8:

well that is VERY weird

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m13a8:

try "yum install myth-suite" again

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Eureka:

m13a8, I just removed the libmp4v2, it's working now

[19:57:41]

m13a8:

ohhh

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m13a8:

kool

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Eureka:

m13a8, not sure if that would break something later on

[19:58:10]

m13a8:

it may, it may not

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Neeesat25:

Anybody knows how I can add a user to be able to login kde?

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daxxar:

Hm

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Neeesat25:

I have a user but has no rights to startx

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daxxar:

I'm running minimyth and playback seems to chop slightly. Any way to e.g. get xine to preload / prebuffer the file it's playing? (I'm guessing the chopping is due to the streaming not being responsive enough (NFS))

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Cardoe:

kormoc: http://www.pcalchemy.com/product_info.php/pNa . . . e/htpc-cases

[20:03:38]

Cardoe:

considering that case

[20:03:43]

Cardoe:

I want a card reader basically

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kormoc:

heh, fair nuff

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Darthy:

hat einer von euch diese silberne hauppauge a415-hpg-we remote ?

[20:07:21]

Darthy:

sorry

[20:07:38]

Darthy:

does anyone have this silver hauppauge remote a415-hpg-we ?

[20:08:04]

Darthy:

i dont know if the "-we" is important.. stands on the sticker in the battery slot.

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diamon:

daxxar: One thing to be sure of is that your network can handle the speeds required for the transit, and a bit more besides. I have my captures encoding as 6Mbit MPEG-2, so I can't use a wireless 54G network to transit for that. So, I went with a gig-E gigabit network, which has more than enough. 100base-T would be fine, but wireless isn't fast enough.

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diamon:

Darthy: I have a silver-and-black model I got with my PVR-150, I don't think that's the same, but.... What's up?

[20:11:06]

Darthy:

is the silver one with 43 buttons.. on the bottom there are 4 coloured buttons.

[20:11:14]

Darthy:

?

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daxxar:

diamon, I'm using 100base-T.

[20:12:19]

Darthy:

i need lirc conf for that

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Cardoe:

hmm

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Cardoe:

should I fear MicroATX...

[20:12:49]

Darthy:

i use it in minimyth and dont know howto login minimyth to irrecord

[20:13:21]

Darthy:

so i need a lirc.conf for my remote.. though i could make it myself

[20:13:28]

Darthy:

but im too lazy

[20:13:40]

kormoc:

Cardoe, it's rather new and a little flaky, but overall seems to be solid

[20:13:43]

daxxar:

Hm, I'm running mplayer now, works a bit better. mplayer -fs -zoom -vo xv is my commandline, but I can't use the keyboard in mpayer.

[20:13:46]

daxxar:

mplayer*

[20:13:50]

daxxar:

Doesn't respond to any of my keypresses.

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Cardoe:

kormoc: what's that?

[20:14:20]

kormoc:

Cardoe, microatx

[20:14:32]

Cardoe:

kormoc: well I meant size factor

[20:14:35]

kormoc:

daxxar, are you running a window manager?

[20:14:41]

kormoc:

Cardoe, ahh, size factor, no worries

[20:14:54]

kormoc:

as long as you have small fingers :)

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daxxar:

kormoc, shouldn't be. I'm using minimyth

[20:15:29]

daxxar:

I don't think MiniMyth is running a WM

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daxxar:

No mouse connected

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kormoc:

Issues like what you are describing are usually caused by just that

[20:15:59]

kormoc:

the lack of a window manager

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daxxar:

xine works fine. :|

[20:16:05]

diamon:

daxxar: 100base should be fine, you may need to change the buffer sizes or something. CHeck out some NFS tuning docs or howtos maybe?

[20:16:11]

kormoc:

Likely the root X window has focus

[20:16:41]

daxxar:

diamon, perhaps NFS should be tuned, yeah. Mplayer seemed to do the buffering itself, so that worked pretty nice.

[20:16:48]

daxxar:

kormoc, any way to change that?

[20:17:11]

diamon:

Darthy: Yes, mine has 4 colored buttons at the bottom, red/green/yellow/blue left-to-right across the bottom?

[20:17:20]

kormoc:

daxxar, run a window manager?

[20:17:58]

daxxar:

kormoc, urgh, requires a bit of work, since minimyth is based around not using one. :| (i.e. recompile the root fs and stuff)

[20:18:07]

** kormoc blinks **

[20:18:08]

kormoc:

why?

[20:18:27]

kormoc:

should just be as easy as download one file and compile and run it to get a super light weight one...

[20:18:47]

kormoc:

daxxar, http://www.jfc.org.uk/software/lwm.html

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Juski:

evening!

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daxxar:

Well, yes, but it's image based, so I have to recompile the image, and that means I have to compile all the other components of the image.

[20:19:21]

daxxar:

kormoc, network booted, diskless.

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** kormoc blinks **

[20:19:26]

kormoc:

shouldn't need to

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Juski:

image based.. soundy likey minimyth ;-)

[20:19:37]

kormoc:

the window manager should go behind everything else

[20:19:47]

kormoc:

and so the images should be exactly the same

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Juski:

kormoc: minimyth is all rolled into a cramfs

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daxxar:

Not images as in bitmaps, as in a filesystem image

[20:20:02]

kormoc:

ooh, I see

[20:20:12]

xris:

minimyth doesn't have a WM?

[20:20:13]

kormoc:

well, that would need a change

[20:20:21]

kormoc:

I was wondering why it was bitmap based

[20:20:33]

xris:

sounds like a bug. myth has always needed a WM for most stuff, just to control focus.

[20:21:07]

Juski:

the version I use utilises fluxbox or is it erm... anyway it has one.. or rather _had_ one

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daxxar:

But is there any way to change the focus once? For e.g. one playback.

[20:21:48]

Juski:

daxxar: not really

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kormoc:

daxxar, nope, that's the job of the window manager

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daxxar:

Hrrm. How annoying. :|

[20:22:08]

kormoc:

hence why it's a requirement

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Juski:

daxxar: I've never had any focus issues in minimyth

[20:22:25]

daxxar:

I don't with xine

[20:22:35]

Juski:

so don't use mplayer

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Juski:

;-)

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daxxar:

But xine has problems with prebuffering/preloading, so I guess I have to tweak nfs mounting.

[20:22:51]

daxxar:

Because it chops in playback.

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Juski:

you on wireless or something?

[20:23:03]

daxxar:

No, 100Mbit Ethernet

[20:23:16]

Juski:

eew

[20:23:32]

Juski:

I just used some bog-standard howto thing for my nfs mounts

[20:23:43]

kormoc:

daxxar, http://linpvr.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=491&a . . . ndow+manager

[20:23:45]

daxxar:

Can I change minimyth nfs mounting options?

[20:23:47]

xris:

daxxar: ouch

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kormoc:

daxxar, he released a beta2 which should fix the window-manager problem

[20:23:55]

diamon:

daxxar: Yeah, look into NFS buffering and cacheing info, I got a huge boost off an NFS mount once changing some pair of mount options, but I'm afraid it's been years since I used it last...

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b8zs:

whats wrong with 100Mbit

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b8zs:

:-/

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daxxar:

192.168.0.15:/storage/movies on /mnt/video type nfs (rw,v3,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,hard,lock,proto=udp,addr=192.168.0.15)

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xris:

b8zs: I didn't read the comma...

[20:24:34]

Juski:

daxxar: here are a couple of lines from my exports file: /diskless/minimyth 192.168.1.12(rw,sync,no_root_squash)

[20:24:34]

diamon:

Nothing, so long as it works for what you are doing, who cares?

[20:24:34]

Juski:

/video 192.168.1.12(ro,sync,no_root_squash)

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daxxar:

Juski, same options for my exports-file

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daxxar:

It's the mounting options that're interesting

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Juski:

hmmm.. I wonder if they're hidden away somewhere

[20:25:21]

diamon:

daxxar: I seem to recall there was some kind of buffering or read-ahead kind of option that I found really useful.

[20:25:29]

daxxar:

diamon, thanks, I'll look at tit

[20:25:30]

daxxar:

it

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Juski:

ahhh... if you don't specify any mount points in your minimyth.conf file you can put them into a script that I can't remember the name of right now

[20:25:48]

daxxar:

I know. ;-)

[20:25:53]

Juski:

then you put that script in the same dir as your lircrc files & stuff

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Juski:

ahhh

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b8zs:

I mean specifically, my xbox frontend has a 10/100 Mbit NIC, so that should suffice for streaming non-HD media right?

[20:26:27]

Juski:

a quick google for nfs options should illuminate the issue methinks

[20:26:50]

Darthy:

juksi> do you also have that zapway ir receiver?

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kormoc:

b8zs, 100 Mbit should be happy and fine for HD as well

[20:27:07]

Juski:

Darthy: no I have a homebrewed IR receiver

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Darthy:

oh.ok

[20:27:28]

Juski:

planning to integrate it into the case once I get more confident with my dremel

[20:27:41]

Juski:

either that or I stump up cash for a new case

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jams:

hehehe

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jams:

dremels are amazing

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Juski:

I can see me making a whole new front panel instead

[20:28:23]

Juski:

I'd like a slot-in dvdrom drive at some point

[20:28:47]

diamon:

Just remember that any network wired connection shouldn't be assumed to carry anything over 80% of its rated speed. Lower that percentage for wireless or gig-E unless you've tuned and set up your gig connection properly. Like, mine uses PCI-e NICs or HyperTransport-attached NIC interfaces for my gig stuff, so I know what speeds it can do.

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b8zs:

I might try messing with jumbo frames on my local subnet

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b8zs:

see if that helps

[20:29:51]

b8zs:

currntly my actual throughput is about 10MB/sec

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diamon:

Then again, if you've tuned your network as hard as I have, you probably know what speeds it'll do for you or not already. :)

[20:30:11]

kormoc:

b8zs, which is quite close to max you can get

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Juski:

10MB/sec for 100mbit ethernet is about what I get I think

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diamon:

b8zs: For large-content transfers, that works nicely on my gig network (9k packets), but your switch needs to support it, and all that.

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kormoc:

b8zs, and with jumbo frames and similar, you need special routers and cards

[20:30:42]

kormoc:

diamon, don't the cards need to support it as well?

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b8zs:

i thought it was OS level

[20:30:56]

b8zs:

the cards just send bits

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b8zs:

aiui

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kormoc:

well, I know for sure that the switch/routers need support for it

[20:31:09]

b8zs:

but the switch would need to support it fo sho

[20:31:14]

diamon:

Juski: Yes, you can get towards 95% efficiency with good parts, I find 80% tends to cover most folks' variable-quality hardware and cabling.

[20:31:48]

Juski:

I just have cheap shitty routers but I did the cabling myself

[20:31:58]

Juski:

routers/switches

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diamon:

kormoc: It helps if the card supports jumbo frames in hardware, as that allows better efficiency, but I think any NIC can do it, more-or-less.

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kormoc:

nifty

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diamon:

I use Netgear GIG cards, and BroadCom, and Marvell-Yukon NICs. All of those support 9k frames.

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b8zs:

diamon, how much more throughput did you gain with 9k packets compared to the defualt 1518 bytes

[20:33:21]

diamon:

I can't swear to any others. Most built-in GIG cards are NVidia PHY's or Marvell. I don't use NVidia NICs anymore, but my Marvell stuff rocks.

[20:34:11]

Juski:

does anyone here use xebian on the xbox? I'm wondering how I should go about compiling the plugins to slap on there. I've only ever compiled from source for the system the code is going on – i.e. not for another machine. I don't want to disturb my existing install either ;-)

[20:34:12]

b8zs:

or, frames I should say

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diamon:

b8zs: For small transits you can *lose* a bit of speed due to latency inherent in 9k packets carrying lesser data, but my DVD transfers picked up 25% more speed overall. I've lost my numbers, but it was definitely noticable.

[20:34:40]

daxxar:

Increased read chunks, seems to work.

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b8zs:

hmmm

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diamon:

Oh, and NetGear switches do NOT support 9k packets. The only one I found that does Gig-E and 9k packets are from SMC.

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daxxar:

(and write)

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diamon:

daxxar: Cool, I knew there was an option for that, but it's been so long I'd forgotten what it was.

[20:36:45]

diamon:

Juski: It's usually easy enough to do cross-compiling, though to keep things clean I set up a slower system just to do cross-compiles for me. I had a VME bus system, motorola-based CPU, and I built for it on a 486/100. This was long ago, so that wasn't so out of date back then. :)

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Juski:

diamon: so is it hard to get the object files put somewhere non-destructive?

[20:38:02]

Juski:

my compiling experience is like... right... RTFM, follow the instructions on the webpage ;-)

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b8zs:

i wonder how my broken laptop-router would handle jumbo frames->regular frames conversions from my local net to my isp's connection

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b8zs:

wouldnt that create latency in rebuilding the packets to fit the standard frame size

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Juski:

I could always just compile on the xbox.. I'm hardly strapped for time

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b8zs:

Juski, you running gentoo-x?

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diamon:

Juski: Back when I did it, it was fairly easy. I just specified where to build to and off it went. Oh, if you've got limited experience compiling in the first place, I **STRONGLY** suggest using a separate storage area to have the cross-compiling platform. A USB HDD, or an old-ass system of some kind, or dual-boot something just to do cross-platform compiling on. That way, if you forget and narf it up, it'll only be an annoyan

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Juski:

I have gentoo-x and xebian installed

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b8zs:

which has been the better frontend?

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b8zs:

im trying to decide atm

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b8zs:

i have a 128MB ram XBOX, and dont use it for videogames...

[20:40:29]

Juski:

diamon: thanks – I never thought of using an external drive. infact I've never hooked any external storage up to a linux box yet, apart from on my umbongo box

[20:41:05]

Juski:

b8zs: I've never tried mythtv on gentoox – mostly I think because it takes so damn long to load KDE

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b8zs:

oh my bad, I assumed incorrectly you were using your xbox as a myth-front end

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diamon:

Juski: I use external HDD's to make clones of my systems before I break 'em. :) I have no HDD over 250Gb in my active systems, so I got a 300Gb disk to dump pure copies to, and put it in a CompUSA external USB/firewire HDD bay. Works nice for me, and behaves nicely. I do wish it cooled a bit better, but it's the only one I found that did firewire and USB2 cleanly.

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b8zs:

i will probably try icewm instead of KDE

[20:42:22]

Juski:

b8zs: I've just started playing with xebian – got it all set up but it doesn't have mythvideo & stuff

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diamon:

Juski: That 300Gb drive was what I used to copy my MythTV system to when upgrading from 0.18 to 0.19 and changing from FC3 to FC4. Made my life easier, and when I realized I'd forgotten my remote config, I just mounted it and copied it over. :)

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Juski:

it was a dead easy install too – downloaded a torrent, unpacked it & just FTPd it up to the box.. even the default IP addresses were fine for me

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diamon:

And then when I did a '>' instead of '<' trying to restore my database, I was able to re-get my copy from the backup. Backups are your friend...

[20:43:54]

Juski:

diamon: ah... my fastest linux box is also my mythtv backend, so I'd rather not disturb it

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diamon:

Juski: Doesn't have to be your fastest system, for cross-compiling. In fact, it's unlikely you'll be building too much stuff too often for it, so if it's a slow system, eh...

[20:44:50]

Juski:

true

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Juski:

I can always use my 'bongo box I guess. it's not like I'm short of HDDs

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diamon:

Juski: Everyone worries about using the fastest thing for compiling, but what's it matter how fast it is, so long as it gets done in a reasonable timeframe? :)

[20:45:41]

Juski:

yeh but 2ghz vs 800mhz...

[20:45:56]

diamon:

Juski: Yeah, just nab a sensible-size disk to install to, and look up some of the howto info on cross-compiling and give it a go.

[20:46:02]

kormoc:

64 bit vs 32 bit...

[20:46:30]

Juski:

actually I think you're right. I'd much rather break a box I can restore in a very short time

[20:46:36]

diamon:

Juski: Heh, again, whatever gets the job done is all that matters. It's a question for you to answer.

[20:47:31]

Juski:

I dunno why xebian came without any of the plugins though.. but hey any learning is good stuff

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diamon:

All I do is make suggestions. It's up to you(in general/all) to accept or decline my suggestions. If enough get ignored, I don't offer them to that party anymore. :)

[20:48:34]

diamon:

That holds true for both free and paid suggestions. I'm always willing to let people make their own mistakes and have a Valuable Learning Experience of their very own. :P

[20:48:41]

Juski:

diamon: thanks – I'll swap a spare hdd into my 800mhz box – that way I can get on the learning curve & not have to worry about screwing up :-)

[20:49:26]

diamon:

Juski: Exactly. It may be a bit more work in the beginning, adding and loading a HDD, but it'll be less work overall if something goes wrong.

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Juski:

ooo how about that. the box already had a spare in it

[20:52:42]

Eureka:

diamon, which doc is the best so far for FC 5 with mythtv

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Juski:

prolly jarod's guide by default

[20:53:24]

Eureka:

diamon, I'm following this one for FC4: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php, which is a bit different

[20:53:30]

diamon:

Eureka: I think the Wilson FC Myth doc is still mostly the same, with the exception of specific versions, like the nvidia driver.

[20:53:56]

Eureka:

diamon, I don't have that card, i have ati

[20:54:51]

Eureka:

diamon, most of the stuff like PVR from 200 to some number don't match my card, I have PVR TV 713X

[20:55:18]

Eureka:

diamon, I'm a bit worried that I can't set this guy up because of installing wrong drivers

[20:55:29]

ivor:

damn you amazon.

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** Juski curses the guy he bought his new toy from.. almost 2 weeks on & still no goods :-/ **

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ivor:

it's unnerving to get an email with suggested books.... and read through and think hmmm, yep actually I quite fancy every single one of those.

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Juski:

hehe

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gardengnome:

Juski: trust me, i really do feel with you

[21:00:29]

Juski:

I'll give them til tomorrow, then I send a strong email on sunday – and I'll mention the bogus tracking number

[21:01:20]

Juski:

dhl postpaket doesn't take as long as this, I'm sure

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Juski:

or is that like road transport? if it is that'd explain why

[21:03:05]

gardengnome:

heh. money went out of my account on 24th of may. i'd better get that package tomorrow

[21:03:19]

gardengnome:

i fscking!!! hate ebay.

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Juski:

the only time I've had problems with stuff I've bought from ebay is from outside the UK but still within Europe

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gardengnome:

i tend to have lots of problems with ebay

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Juski:

in the UK we have this image of the rest of Europe as being very efficient & officious

[21:06:21]

Juski:

I wonder if this seller didn't have the item to start with & orders them on demand...

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gardengnome:

i doubt that in this case

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Juski:

he's got great feedback since the auction I won so I doubt I've been ripped off. its being kept in the dark I don't like

[21:08:45]

gardengnome:

yep. my seller hasn't answered to my email yet. anyways, i couldn't use the s100 anyways because i'm still waiting for the vga cable. i should get that tomorrow, too, but doesn't look like it

[21:09:09]

Juski:

I have all my cables made up, all ready & waiting

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gardengnome:

hehe, even worse

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gardengnome:

i prolly could cannibalize my vga2scart cable (which never worked anyways)

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Juski:

I might buy some pcb etchant soon to make some SMD goodies

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gardengnome:

ah, for SMD VGA connectors?

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** gardengnome runs **

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Juski:

more so I can make an adapter to easily fit inside a plug :-D

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gardengnome:

sounds good :) count me in for on

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gardengnome:

one*

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gardengnome:

because my soldering *terribly* sucks

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Juski:

as I said in a job interview once.. my soldering skills are _excellent_ :-P

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jams:

gardengnome- if you doin't burn your fingers your better then most people :)

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Juski:

recognising which end is hot is a good start

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gardengnome:

heh

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gardengnome:

my hands shake too much ;)

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gardengnome:

jams: i didn't my burn my fingers last time, i got the stuff that's inside the solder all over my arm and face

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highway1:

the acid?

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gardengnome:

yep

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jams:

youch

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highway1:

sucky

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gardengnome:

naw, i was OK – just a little scared because i didn't really expect that to happen

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highway1:

i have a soldering scar from when i was 12

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highway1:

don't do it on a TV tray!!

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gardengnome:

i did it on the couch table

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Juski:

if you get splashes of flux on you, the iron is too hot ;-)

[21:27:40]

Juski:

aha! I found just the wiki I needed. only trouble is that someone is using the xbox :-(

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highway1:

well, i would have gotten away with fixing the damn thing if i hadn't burnt myself... my parents got the fact that i broke the *brand new* vcr out of me after they saw the massive burn on my hand

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gardengnome:

heh

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Juski:

I can remember as a kid I got pissed that a cupboard light's batteries had run out, so I fitted a mains cable & plugged it in. oopsie

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Goose-BA:

hmm

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Goose-BA:

i think i'll just started my mythtv instlall over

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Goose-BA:

when i try to watch live tv it says prebuffer time out

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Juski:

dvb?

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Goose-BA:

live tv

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Goose-BA:

regular cable

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Led-Hed:

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x2:

missed :p

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psofa:

anyone here familiar with xmltv listings?Im trying to write my own grabber.But as i see theres no element that says how long a programme is.I mean it doesnt say when its broadcasting ends

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psofa:

so how myth understands when to end

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psofa:

?

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psofa:

i suppose it assumes the prog ends when the next starts

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psofa:

but thats not always the case...

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Darthy:

how can i enable telnet on minimyth frontend?

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Darthy:

do i need to set the channel callsign? whats it for?

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Eureka:

xris, [root@desktop ~]# ivtv

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Eureka:

ivtvctl ivtv-encoder ivtv-mpegindex ivtv-radio

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Eureka:

ivtv-detect ivtvfbctl ivtvplay ivtv-tune

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Eureka:

[root@desktop ~]# ivtv modules setup

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Eureka:

-bash: ivtv: command not found

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Eureka:

xris, what' s going on?

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zingit:

Hey, I've just struggled through setting up mythtv on ubuntu dapper, and have finally got it playing videos – only problem is it stops taking keyboard input when a video is playing? I have to switch to console and kill mplayer to get control back! Any ideas?

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gardengnome:

you're probably not running a window manager, or it's not properly configured

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zingit:

aha – I'm not running a window manager

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zingit:

thought I'd be smart and save on resources ;)

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gardengnome:

hehe :) try ratpoison, jwm or fluxbox – they don't use much ressources

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Juski:

re

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zingit:

ok thanks :)

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gardengnome:

re Juski

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gardengnome:

s/much/many/

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Juski:

I use ratpoison with minimyth – it works very well & I never have any focus problems

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zingit:

what's minimyth?

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zingit:

I'll google it.

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Juski:

heh. every time I mention that distro I end up answering a bunch of questions about it :-P

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Eureka:

after did yum install ivtvdev step in the mythtv doc, try to run the next command "ivtv modules setup" , got this -bash: ivtv: command not found

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Juski:

that's not a command

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Eureka:

Juski, how come, that's what the doc say to exec

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Juski:

maybe the howto needs that heading to be emboldened

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Juski:

which mythtv doc?

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Eureka:

Juski, http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php

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xris:

Eureka: what are you trying to do?

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Eureka:

xris, setting up mythtv

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xris:

but ivtv isn't c command

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Eureka:

i'm going through all the steps in the doc

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xris:

you missed the part that says: edit /etc/modprobe.conf

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xris:

those aren't commands, those are lines in a config file

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Juski:

I was just about to say that.. nm

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Eureka:

xris, thanks, it's been a long day, I can't follow the instruction anymore,

[23:16:46]

Eureka:

xris, thanks again

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Eureka:

xris, I have PVR TV 713X, but it's not in the doc, I"m not sure how I should edit the modprobe.conf

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zingit:

aha! Ratpoison worked perfectly, thanks all!

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xris:

Eureka: #ivtv-dev and its mailing list

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zingit:

Last question, I have a MS Sidewinder gamepad, how can I use that to control myth?

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jams:

zingit- should work as long as myth was compiled with joystick support

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zingit:

I'm using the ubuntu package – should it just plug in and work or what?

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Juski:

maybe, maybe not

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Juski:

depends on what options the package was compiled with

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zingit:

Ok, I've looked around and can't find anything on how to set up Myth + gamepads

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zingit:

I'll just recompile

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zingit:

Cheers!

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gardengnome:

zingit: mythtv + gamepads (not mythgame!) – you should look into the configfiles/ directory of the source tarball

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zingit:

ok#

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zingit:

thanks :)

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gardengnome:

np :)

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b8zs:

anyone emerged ivtv recently on gentoo?

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b8zs:

if so can you look at this: http://pastebin.ca/61228

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Juski:

b8zs: I use gentoo but I just built ivtv myself

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Juski:

b8zs: looks like you'll be doing the same. your kernel is too new for ivtv 0.4.x

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Juski:

you need ivtv 0.6.x

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Juski:

so unless there's an ebuild for it – it's DIY I'm afraid

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b8zs:

ok thats np

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b8zs:

i will try to build it

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Juski:

b8zs: easy job. took me about 30 mins or so

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Juski:

morning kelerion

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Kelerion:

morning :)

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GreyFoxx:

Juski, can you look in mythtv-setup and tell me what your DVB cards signal timeout and tuning timeout are set too ?

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sponz:

so, i installed a new HD. Now im getting GNU Grub with a "grub>" command prompt. How do I fix my fuck up. Im sure it's a pathing issue. Would it be easier to re-install or fix?

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Juski:

GreyFoxx: sure. but I might have to cheat & look in the db

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Juski:

GreyFoxx: just the defaults on my 0.19 install

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GreyFoxx:

k, Just curious if the values I have here are default or not. I could very well have messed with it previously :)

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Kelerion:

I'm in front of mine if it's be easier

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Juski:

sponz: fixing grub can be easy or it can be a pig – try to fix it by seeing if you can configure it all as per the docs... having a boot cd helps

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Kelerion:

defaults: signal=500, tuning=3000

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GreyFoxx:

haha mine are insanely large then

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GreyFoxx:

60000 and 62500

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GreyFoxx:

and I KNOW I didn't set them. At least not in the last few months

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Kelerion:

thats a svn install from a week ago.. and I've not touched anything

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GreyFoxx:

ok. This must be someleftovers from previous versions

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Kelerion:

defaults must have changed over time then

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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** GreyFoxx wonders if this will "fix" my channel scanning woes **

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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Kelerion:

their only timeouts though.. can't imaging they'd fix much.. they just stop it waiting too long for stuff to happen – right?

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Kelerion:

or is one of your woes it taking so long? lol

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GreyFoxx:

the woes are it appears to be timing out instantly. and with these numbers being put into and unsigned int it would technically be a negative timeout value :)

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Kelerion:

ahh.. nicely spotted.. yup that'd do it

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Kelerion:

installed xgl/compiz today... *damn* it's sexy stuff

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jams:

but not very useful....

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Kelerion:

I could make an argument for it *being* useful

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Kelerion:

if it's on a machine you use for demo's.. they customers would cream themselves... you look good.. you get the sale

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Kelerion:

unless it crashes because your using alpha stuff and then it don't look too good.. lol

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