Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, May 21st, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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Kelerion:

hows the demo box going?

[00:00:40]

Juski:

heh. ooo 0.19-fixes has taste... no ITV picked up in the scan

[00:00:53]

Kelerion:

lol

[00:01:23]

Juski:

time to import a channels.conf

[00:03:10]

Juski:

svn was fun to try, but too unstable except when running it with gdb. those pesky segfaults never came up with gdb on the case

[00:03:45]

Kelerion:

anything new and wonderful while I've been away? a month or so?

[00:05:24]

Juski:

interactive!

[00:05:45]

Kelerion:

well its been a month or so now that she's had mce.. so next week is decision time.. mce or back to myth

[00:05:45]

Juski:

dvb radio too

[00:05:55]

Kelerion:

interactive?

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Juski:

mheg – red button

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Juski:

for DVB-T

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Kelerion:

ahh

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Juski:

how's MCE been then? bad?

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Kelerion:

good points and bad to be fair

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Juski:

waf – high/low ?

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Kelerion:

I seem to get a better picture... but the scheduler sucks.. and the fact I can't properly record to a remote machine share is stupid

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ru_:

hi guys

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ru_:

i cant set my audio sampling rate back to 32000

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ru_:

i set it to 48000 to test

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Kelerion:

middle.. she loves the picture quality.. hates when my programs get higher priority – and therefore hers don't get recorded because the recorder sucks.. lol

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ru_:

and now myth wont let me alter it ?

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Kelerion:

and it ain't smart enought to know when it's recorded a program before

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Juski:

Kelerion: really?! fuck a duck

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Kelerion:

so am betting on a return to myth :)))

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Juski:

find it hard to believe the quality is better

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Kelerion:

to be fair.. it's probably my lack of understanding of ivtv and filters

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Juski:

ru_: you any good with sql?

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mchou:

Kelerion: hehe, so your wife finally crying uncle?

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mchou:

Kelerion: regarding MCE, that is

[00:10:32]

Kelerion:

but the picture seems brighter and sharper.. which does give me hope because I now know the card is capable of that

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Juski:

Kelerion: my pvr150 had temporal_dnr turned on by default – took a while to notice. turned it off & it's really good now

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Juski:

it was _good_ before I mean – but now it's great

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mchou:

Kelerion: you using the pvr tuner or svideo?

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Kelerion:

I remember a post about dne

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Kelerion:

svideo

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ru_:

Juski, yeah i know my way around i

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ru_:

i looked in the db, but cant for the life of me find where the setting is?

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ru_:

I looked in settings tbl, but couldnt find anything

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Kelerion:

coming from sky

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Juski:

ru_: I'll have a peek in the DB

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ru_:

Juski, ta fella

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Kelerion:

hopefully will get it all installed in the next couple of days.. then I'll look into the quality while the difference is in my head

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mchou:

Kelerion: get what installed?

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Kelerion:

myth

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mchou:

Kelerion: huh??

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mchou:

Kelerion: you didnt back up you old myth install?

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Kelerion:

of course.. at least the db

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mchou:

Kelerion: man, I would have kept the hard disk

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mchou:

just replace HDD and go......

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Kelerion:

it won't take long.. will be up and running in a couple of hours

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mchou:

lol

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Kelerion:

plus am gonna try dapper

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mchou:

myth has NEVER just taken me just "a couple of hrs"

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Kelerion:

have done it a few times.. the updates are stored on a local repo..so that cuts it down by a long time

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mchou:

it's at least one afternoon.

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mchou:

4–6 hrs

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Kelerion:

only difference I'll have is that I've lost a machine.. which used to be my backend.. so will have to have a combo for a week or two

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Juski:

ru_: try looking in the codecparams table

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Juski:

I managed to get myth going on breezy in < 2hours from a flat HDD. when I say 'going' I mean watching & recording TV – nothing like plugins & stuff

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Kelerion:

yup.. same here

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Juski:

it worked and that was about it

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Juski:

no fine tuning – it's the tweaks that take the most time

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Kelerion:

yup

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Juski:

getting it to a stage where it'd have a high enough WAF.. that's something else ;)

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Kelerion:

having a good backup of the db helps

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Kelerion:

mine was setup to mysqldump and email me it nightly

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Juski:

oh fuck. even importing a channels.conf hasn't done it right

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Kelerion:

good taste with attitude? :)

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Juski:

may I just add a proviso to the above that I was using a stable release

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Juski:

Kelerion: no – this time I got ITV & radio channels

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** dscoular thinks fondly of 0.18.1 **

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Juski:

gonna have to have words with stuarta about this

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Juski:

I can cheat though – just dump the dtv_multiplex & channel table from my other box

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Kelerion:

in linux... there is no cheating.. there's just lateral thinking :P

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Juski:

I'll try one more time – this time with a different scan option

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Juski:

see if it's looking for a vdr style list

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dscoular:

I always wind up having to edit the dtv_multiplex and channels table.

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Juski:

it was brilliant in 0.18.1 – there must've been a good reason to change so much that it's ended up this broken

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dscoular:

I hope so... there has been an incredible amount of work done by danielk and others... it's just a shame that it's not really stabilised yet

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Juski:

svn is amazingly good at scanning

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Juski:

oh yeh Kelerion I forgot the killer thing about what svn is likely to have... mytharchive

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dscoular:

svn (non 0.19-fixes) ?

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Juski:

yeh that one

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Kelerion:

which does?

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Kelerion:

dvd stuff?

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Juski:

yup

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dscoular:

I haven't been brave enough to look at trunk svn

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Kelerion:

oooooh

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Juski:

select from yer recorded shows & burn to deeveedee

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Juski:

very alpha though

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Kelerion:

at least its there.. that means its being worked on

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Juski:

I'm just getting this install working then I'm gonna swap HDDs & go all out testing

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dscoular:

Hope their size estimate takes into account the cutlist (unlike mythburn)

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Juski:

I recorded from 301 on freeview & it wouldn't work in mytharchive – mythreplex couldn't find the audio PID

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dscoular:

I wish lvm snapshots were easier to use... then you could just snapshot, try svn, rollback

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qwarlock:

whooh hoo! I got through another error...foound a new one though

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qwarlock:

oy!

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Kelerion:

oooooh... there was a linuxtag expo?

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Juski:

Kelerion: indeed. they got a spot on telly too. big snag with that was the voiceover said it works with windows!

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Kelerion:

lol

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Kelerion:

you can open files in vlc!

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** dscoular hearts vlc **

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Juski:

my video was featured in the clip briefly

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mythica:

Juski, its me ru, sory i got disconnected :(

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Juski:

ah

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Juski:

wb

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Kelerion:

cool.. is there a better gallery than is on mythtvtalk?

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dscoular:

I wish myth had vlc's ability to control stream bandwidth

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mythica:

Juski, u manage to find anything in the db by any cahnce?

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Juski:

Kelerion: there's erm... wosshisname's webpage

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Juski:

can't remember his name

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Kelerion:

oh! him? excellent :)

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Juski:

mythica: codecparams table

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pigeon:

Juski: damn, everyday i get at least once with this weird mythbackend issue still :(

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mythica:

Juski, cool, lemme check

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Juski:

Kelerion: his name still escapes me...

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Juski:

looking in da log

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Kelerion:

got some results from google

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qwarlock:

Yeay!

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qwarlock:

It installed!

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qwarlock:

man I had to go back and really dink around in the files though

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qwarlock:

thanks for all the help guys..you are stars!

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Juski:

qwarlock: post what you did to the...

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Juski:

ah well

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Kelerion:

back of your memory

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Juski:

lol

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Juski:

right now I got me some sql... need to get it across

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mythica:

Juski, thanks i changed the setting

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mythica:

Juski, gonna reboot now, just changed something else, hopefully should be fixed :)

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xris:

hey everyone... pm beirdo and wish him a happy wedding day.

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Juski:

heh

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MindHack:

are the commflag cutpoints stored within the sql database, or are they plaintext files somewhere?

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Juski:

in the recordedmarkup table I believe

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** LLyric swears at broadcasters who routinely run 10+ minutes **

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LLyric:

late

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LLyric:

or early

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LLyric:

at random

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Mattwj2005:

well I got my frontend and backend going....but no sound :(

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Dug02:

where can I get make_atsc_chanconf.pl... it does not appear to be in dvb-apps anymore?

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gurft:

I'm having a problem getting mythburn working with my dvd writer

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gurft:

Keep getting an error 'unable to open64("/dev/dvd",O_RDONLY' when it goes to burn the DVD

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gurft:

I checked permissions on /dev/dvd, whcih symlinks to /dev/hdc

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gurft:

I added the www user to the cdrom group, so I dont' think it's a permissions issue, anyone have any ideas?

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Juski:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?client=firefox . . . oogle+Search

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SirPageno:

anybody tried compiling mythfm against the 0.19 yet?

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Juski:

probably

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Juski:

people tried against 0.18 too

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SirPageno:

have you compiled it juski?

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Juski:

nah I'm hanging on for dvb-radio support

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SirPageno:

how good are you a c++?

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Juski:

rofl

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Juski:

I made a function once

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SirPageno:

well, i'm getting an error message, upon searching the mailinglist archive i find a nearly similar error when myth when to 0.18, and the source had to be updated.

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SirPageno:

I was hoping to find out a little more, and maybe effect a patch against mythfm to compile with the 0.19 source

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gurft:

Juski- do you spin any of your video to DVD, have you switched over to mytharchive?

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gurft:

I'm wondering if it's wroth the trouble to get mythburn working

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gurft:

or just switch now to mytharchive

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Mattwj2005:

I got mine sound to work!

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Mattwj2005:

:)

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Mattwj2005:

*my

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Juski:

gurft: generally I delete stuff

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Juski:

if it's worth keeping I transcode it & pop it into mythvideo

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gurft:

I have a brother in Iraq, he's got access to DVD player so I was going to spin off the rest of the season of Lost and send it off to him.

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gurft:

so trying to find the best way tot do this outside of doing it manually ;)

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Mattwj2005:

live tv seems to be a lot smoothier with my compile install instead of with knoppmyth

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Juski:

from what I've seen of Lost, let him miss it :-P

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gurft:

HAHAHAHA

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Juski:

mytharchive looks snazzy, but it didn't work with the test recordings I made.. still very alpha. as for mythburn.. it'd be nice if mjpegtools worked

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gurft:

I'm probably better off just grabbing it onto the Mac and using iMovie

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Mattwj2005:

you guys I did it thought.....I got a working mythtv box from source!

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Mattwj2005:

*though

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** Juski pats Mattwj2005 on the back **

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Juski:

but not in a patronising way ;)

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gurft:

Now you get to spend the next couple days customizing it ;)

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Mattwj2005:

:P

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fatmatt:

anyone using wireless for mythtv clients?

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fatmatt:

and if so, any g Access Points to avoid.

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Fraun:

are there any problems using the tvout on the pvr350?

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SirPageno:

Fraun, i have made mine work, but i switched back to the TV-out on my ATI video card so I could see my boot messages

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Fraun:

heh

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SirPageno:

Also, I'm not sure that ivtv supports any hardware accel on the TV-out

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Fraun:

this would be my first pvr, just doing some reading and deciding

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SirPageno:

good idea

[02:39:29]

SirPageno:

i bought my pvr-350 cause I thought the TV-out would look a lot better, and it did seem to look more vivid than the TVout of my ATI

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SirPageno:

but I am not using it now, so I prolly should've just gotten one of the other pvr cards

[02:40:28]

SirPageno:

(though, I am trying to get the FM radio working...)

[02:41:02]

Fraun:

so the decoding part of the 350 didn't work for you?

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SirPageno:

it _did_ work

[02:42:35]

SirPageno:

I'm just not using it

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Fraun:

k

[02:43:19]

LLyric:

pvr-350 sucks for non-native output

[02:43:35]

LLyric:

It's good enough for mythtv menus, but pretty bad for avi's etc

[02:43:44]

LLyric:

And it can't do time-scalaing

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Fraun:

ah, thats good to know

[02:44:31]

LLyric:

I still like them, they're good for doing capture/playback with practically no CPU usage

[02:44:37]

LLyric:

(ie: on a slow/quiet PC)

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SirPageno:

I can't speak for the other pvr cards, but my pvr-350 was a very big improvement in capture quality over my ATI analog capture

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dscoular:

Hey LLyric, I'm gonna update your ticket 1803 with my patch once I'm through testing it. Hopefully someone will be more interested in the ticket if it hsa a patch associated with it.

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LLyric:

dscoular: I'm not 100% convinced of your patch either :)

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SirPageno:

I tweaked for weeks, and never could get my ATI to not looked washed out

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adante:

ok, i've upgraded to 0.19-fixes, and (a) dvb channel changing is still taking upwards of 10 seconds and (b) occassionally when there's a lot of i/o the tv frontend will stop responding to input

[02:47:58]

adante:

none of this happens when i watch recordings – does anybody else have this problem?

[02:48:06]

dscoular:

LLyric, why... are you still wondering over the fact that I do + 1 only in the conditional ?

[02:48:12]

LLyric:

yup

[02:49:05]

LLyric:

I built myth from svn, but it doesn't seem to work too well on my system, so I can't work on the problem

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dscoular:

LLyric, well that's because maxchannels is zero based and DISPLAY_CHANS is one based.

[02:49:35]

LLyric:

dscoular: yes, which is why I think we need to change *both*

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LLyric:

if (DISPLAY_CHANS > maxchannel + 1) DISPLAY_CHANS = maxchannel + 1;

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dscoular:

It's the > that's the catch

[02:50:30]

dscoular:

I need to think about it a bit more though

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LLyric:

That clause is really a min()

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LLyric:

DISPLAY_CHANS = min(DISPLAY_CHANS, maxchannel+1)

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dscoular:

hmm, I think you are right! Doh!

[02:51:49]

dscoular:

Let me try that and see what the results look like

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LLyric:

If you could help figure out why my myth-svn doesn't work properly, I could help! :0

[02:52:35]

LLyric:

I think it's the new frontend/ogl code

[02:52:53]

LLyric:

In the menus, I get the background, and the icon, but no text

[02:54:28]

dscoular:

Hmm, have you tried other themes ?

[02:54:57]

dscoular:

just recompiling with your new DISPLAY_CHANS code

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Mattwj2005:

so do you have to have kde installed to use mythbrowser?

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LLyric:

*our* new code :)

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LLyric:

dscoular: I'm thinking that all the other instances need to be changed too, or they may interact badly

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dscoular:

I change em all

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dscoular:

Looks good.

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LLyric:

Great

[02:56:17]

LLyric:

I expect most people don't care : "who the hell only has six channels?" :)

[02:56:43]

LLyric:

dscoular: yeah, I tried two differen themes, same thing

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SirPageno:

Mattwj2005, short answer... yes

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Mattwj2005:

you only have 6 channels?

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LLyric:

Mattwj2005: yeah

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SirPageno:

Mattwj2005, long answer, you don't need all the kde packages installed

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** LLyric is in Australia **

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Mattwj2005:

dang dude that sucks

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** dscoular is in Syney **

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** LLyric is in Melbourne **

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SirPageno:

Mattwj2005, not really, you just need kdelibs, and kdebase

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dscoular:

s/Syney/Sydney/

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dscoular:

just svn diffing now

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LLyric:

Mattwj2005: cable or pay-tv is pretty expensive here, and I'm cheap :)

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LLyric:

dscoular: I don't like the look of that file anyway – it seems a bit confused about the use of desiredChannels/DISPLAY_CHANS/etc

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** dscoular is Scottish – even worse than being cheap **

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Mattwj2005:

you guys don't have dish of some kind? that is generally cheaper

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Mattwj2005:

lol

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Mattwj2005:

well I am Ameican....that use means I am a jerk

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Mattwj2005:

*American

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LLyric:

Mattwj2005: the pay here is pretty low, and pay tv costs $50–100/mo

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LLyric:

The only thing I want off paytv is World Superbikes

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Mattwj2005:

dang.....yeah my cable is about $75 a month

[03:00:19]

LLyric:

Everything else I want is on free tv (movies, tv series, motogp, f1, v8 supercars)

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dscoular:

comparing $AUD with $US possibly methinks

[03:00:40]

LLyric:

Yeah, I was quoting AUD, but we make about the same number/year

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dscoular:

ahh

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LLyric:

AU$50/mo probably means about the same to me, as US$50/mo means to him

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SirPageno:

what time is it in AU?

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LLyric:

SirPageno: multiple timezones

[03:01:16]

LLyric:

But it's 1pm sunday in Eastern Time

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SirPageno:

thanks

[03:02:04]

LLyric:

SirPageno: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

[03:02:25]

Mattwj2005:

for my age I think I make pretty good money...otherwise I probably won't have cable either

[03:02:36]

dscoular:

LLyric, I'm attaching the patch... noting that the logic of DISPLAY_CHANS vs. maxchannel should be sanitised

[03:02:48]

LLyric:

Yeah, good idea :0

[03:02:59]

LLyric:

And preferred* or whatever else it was :)

[03:05:01]

SirPageno:

maybe someone can answer a long standing problem, my PIP appears in a 16x9 format, when I have 4:3 TV, and capture formats

[03:05:28]

SirPageno:

is there some hidden setting to determine how the PIP is sized?

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dscoular:

LLyric, damn every time I try to upload the file it crashes firefox!

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dscoular:

Could you update the case if I give you the url to the patch ?

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LLyric:

Sure

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dscoular:

http://spug.servebeer.com/good.patch

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LLyric:

But I'm firefox too :)

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dscoular:

It's against 0.19-fixes svn revision 9953

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dscoular:

Maybe yours won't crash ;)

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LLyric:

dscoular: submitted

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kavorka^:

i have a problem where my scheduled recording dissapear from myth, restarting mythbackend makes them reappear...has anyone else experienced this problem?

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kavorka^:

recodrings*

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dscoular:

SirPageno, the PiP code seems to take aspect into account: desired_pipw = (int) (desired_piph * pipVideoAspect * vidPixelAdj * dispPixelAdj * letterAdj);

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SirPageno:

dscoular, yeah, i've dug around a little in the code

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SirPageno:

but (please forgive the ignorance)

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SirPageno:

where do I tell mythtv what my desired aspect should be

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dscoular:

just trying to determine that myself

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SirPageno:

I've seen references on web to setting DisplaySize in the xorg.conf file, that didn't seem to help for me

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dscoular:

I wouldn't have thought it would be outwith myth

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SirPageno:

(just made my fonts in the Qt widgets unreadably small

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dscoular:

What is your mainwin aspect set to ?

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SirPageno:

well, i'm running at 800x600

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SirPageno:

so 4:3

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dscoular:

and what is the capture card

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SirPageno:

1 ATI analog, capturing at 4:3, and 1 PVR-350 also at 4:3,

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SirPageno:

when I swap PIP/Main

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SirPageno:

the Main is always 4:3 and looks good

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SirPageno:

but the PIP is squased

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SirPageno:

doesn't matter which card is supplying the video

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dscoular:

I can't see a PIP aspect setting in the database

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dscoular:

The only initialisation of it I can see is NuppelVideoRecorder.cpp: video_aspect = 1.33333;

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dscoular:

What happens to the PiP window when you change the main window aspect the bring up the PiP window again

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dscoular:

has it any effect on the PiP windae

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SirPageno:

again, sorry for the ignorance, but how would I change the main aspect?

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dscoular:

the menu

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SirPageno:

ok...

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dscoular:

"Change Aspect Ratio"

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** dscoular wonders how SirPageno knew what his current aspect ratio was ;) **

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EnterUserName:

hiall

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EnterUserName:

anyone here nusiugn XGL with mythtv

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EnterUserName:

i can't seem to watch tv with it now that i have installed it

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EnterUserName:

xgl :(

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SirPageno:

dscoular, I just wanted to make sure I was changing the aspect ratio in the right place(like was there some setting in the setup screens I had missed)

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SirPageno:

but I've been through 4:3, 4:3 zoom, 16:9, and the other 2 16:9's

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dscoular:

I'm thinking the main window aspect maybe relates to the PiP one

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dscoular:

Does the PiP window stay a constant 16:9 ?

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SirPageno:

each time, disabling, the enabling the PIP, and it stays 16:9 each time

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SirPageno:

well, maybe not exactly 16:9, lemme measure

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SirPageno:

but it's definately stretching horiz...

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** dscoular never uses PiP **

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dscoular:

SirPageno, I guess you could put it some debug statements and see what it thinks the aspect ratio is.

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SirPageno:

that sounds like a good idea...

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EnterUserName:

anyu0one using XGL with mythtv?

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SirPageno:

I've been very reluctant to open a ticket until I've troubleshot as much as I can do

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LLyric:

EnterUserName: you asked that already, stop it

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EnterUserName:

did anyone answer lol

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dscoular:

or recompile with --compile-type=debug and use gdb

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SirPageno:

it's already compiled with debug

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dscoular:

EnterUserName, I doubt many people have fired up XGL

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dscoular:

SirPageno, perfecto!

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EnterUserName:

hrm ya it dont work i saw a screen shot online of it working

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EnterUserName:

but i cant seem to get it to work

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garrick:

has anyone used a "DVI to component" adaptor? Do they work well for HD?

[03:48:33]

garrick:

http://sewelldirect.com/DVI-to-Component-Adapter-Cable-6ft.asp

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garrick:

http://sewelldirect.com/dvivideoadapter.asp

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dscoular:

EnterUserName, try NO_XV=1 mythfrontend perhaps... maye that will stop it using openg and xv

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EnterUserName:

dscoular: is that an environmetal varibale

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EnterUserName:

i dont think i compiled my Mythtv with opengl..

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EnterUserName:

maybe thats the problem?

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dscoular:

EnterUserName, it's an environment variable

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dscoular:

EnterUserName, if (getenv("NO_XVMC_VLD")) if (getenv("NO_XVMC_IDCT")) if (getenv("NO_XVMC")) if (getenv("NO_XV")) ./libs/libmythtv/videoout_xv.cpp

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EnterUserName:

Dsdscoular_ that worked some what

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EnterUserName:

now its kinda slow for video :)

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dscoular:

EnterUserName, were you previously using xvmc ?

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dscoular:

coz now you could try NO_XVMC

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EnterUserName:

i'm not too sure i used hte default ./configure

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EnterUserName:

oh ok

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dscoular:

Nah... the default configure wouldn't have enabled xvmx

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dscoular:

oops

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dscoular:

xmvc that is

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EnterUserName:

and the darn task bar is permanently there :)

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EnterUserName:

oh

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EnterUserName:

i see the problem

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EnterUserName:

its my resolution

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EnterUserName:

hi nall

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EnterUserName:

what is the open-gl vsync option?

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LLyric:

offshore powerboat racers are nuts!

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j-rod:

garrick: that adapter converts to rgb component video, most hdtvs have ypbpr component video inputs

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garrick:

Oh.

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garrick:

I was just trying to find the model of my TV to look up its stats

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garrick:

So far, it's just "The Grey Toshiba" with "too heavy to move to read the back"(tm) feature

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garrick:

j-rod: is there such thing as a DVI to ypbpr component 'tweener?

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SirPageno:

garrick, have you looked around in the on-screen menus?

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SirPageno:

garrick, sometimes they indicate a model #

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LLyric:

The inputs often label what they expect

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CyberKnet:

Did he do it?

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CyberKnet:

I'm sure he did, but ... did he do it?

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garrick:

SirPageno: nope, I don't see it anywhere

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CyberKnet:

(err... "it" being get married.... not "do it" per the colloquial)

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garrick:

google to the rescue! I was able to find it from remote's model number

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SirPageno:

garrick, good idea

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garrick:

not as good as I had hoped... there's at least 20 models with that remote

[04:37:09]

tuxokc:

Did something dangerous and upgraded from mythtv as found in atrpms for FC5 to svn. Two backends are running fine, but frontends are not showing text, while the icons (television; wrench; ...) do show, so the menu is drawn.

[04:37:21]

garrick:

I haven't found one yet that seems to be my TV (though they are all similar)

[04:39:26]

EnterUserName:

hi all

[04:39:32]

EnterUserName:

how do you tell MYTHTV to go to another xwindows display

[04:40:00]

garrick:

EnterUserName: same as all X programs, the DISPLAY env var

[04:40:05]

EnterUserName:

hmm

[04:40:08]

EnterUserName:

actgually i do :2

[04:40:08]

EnterUserName:

:1

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EnterUserName:

on them :)

[04:41:10]

EnterUserName:

wicked

[04:49:06]

SirPageno:

tuxokc, do you have opengl turn on in the setup menus for qt drawing?

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tuxokc:

SirPango, is this a myth setting or a window manager setting?

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SirPageno:

it's under myth, settings/utilies>setup>appearance

[04:52:58]

SirPageno:

called Paint engine

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tuxokc:

I'll try to navigate to it... found it!

[04:54:49]

tuxokc:

paint Engine is 'Qt', shall I try OpenGL?

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SirPageno:

hmmm, i don't think so

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SirPageno:

hvae you tried a different theme yet?

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Achew22:

Does anyone know how to fix "Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: net/sourceforge/dvb/projectx/common/Start" when I try and start Project-X

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tuxokc:

SirPango, I'm trying OpenGl, but it may have been a mistake. seems to have eaten my free mem...

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SirPageno:

tuxokc, at first it sounded like a problem someone else was having

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SirPageno:

tuxokc, but if you are set to Qt paint engine, i don't it's the same

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Achew22:

NETSPLIT!

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tuxokc:

I did find one refrence in the mythtv-users email, but the suggestion was to have SVN use an older date. hoping this can be fixed in settings.

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SirPageno:

i have a fairly recent svn 9938, and don't have this problem

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tuxokc:

SirPango, switching to OpenGL did eat free mem. Running dual P5 with 512M, but no swap at the moment... brain fart when shuffling partitions.

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SirPageno:

tuxokc, try and turn it off...

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tuxokc:

SirPango, svn -log shows that r9937 was set on the 18th, so your just a few days off. I pulled the sources down just a few hours ago, so I'm bleeding here.

[05:18:02]

tuxokc:

Sirpango, X server finally terminated, so a cold restart is not needed. I changed the paint option in the settings table back to 'qt', so i'll try again in a moment.

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adante:

anybody here using dvb?

[05:19:34]

adante:

i've upgraded to the release-0.19 fixes and channel changing still takes upwards for 10–15s

[05:20:10]

adante:

not only that but the frontend stops responding to input occassionally (seems to be related to the high i/o caused during channel changes)

[05:21:30]

dscoular:

yep, thoughed I'd say upto 10–15 has been my experience. the input thing is a pain

[05:22:17]

dscoular:

dam input just died

[05:23:05]

dscoular:

adante, interestingly the telnet interface is ignored too

[05:23:26]

dscoular:

gonna have to pkill -9 -x mythfrontend again... sigh

[05:24:35]

tuxokc:

SirPango, I changed the theme to Blue, and it killed the X server after pre-scaling graphics... went right back in and Blue theme is working so far.

[05:25:57]

SirPageno:

tuxokc, that is good... which theme was not showing the fonts?

[05:26:05]

adante:

dscoular: hmm to be hoenst haven't tried the telnet interface

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SirPageno:

tuxokc, btw, i use blue theme also

[05:26:17]

adante:

dscoular: i can usually just standard kill it tho (no need for 9)

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tuxokc:

SirPango, GANT. I have not added other themes, nor plugins yet.

[05:26:46]

** dscoular loves blue **

[05:27:00]

** SirPageno does too **

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tuxokc:

I'll have to see if blue for me on my PVR-350 TV-out

[05:28:21]

SirPageno:

bye all

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tuxokc:

dscoular: What does the blue theme 'pause' box and the cut list bar look like? Neither display on my frontend that runs on a CRT.

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adante:

is gossamer-threads up?

[05:55:43]

adante:

hm, nm

[05:59:27]

SlicerDicer-:

xris: http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.php?t=295925

[05:59:30]

SlicerDicer-:

can you say WTF?

[05:59:44]

SlicerDicer-:

or is that how Intel is done?

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adante:

2006-05–21 15:50:25.384 Broadcasting free space avail <-- what is that for (in the mythfrontend log)

[06:12:31]

adante:

is it normally for this to be called ~ 250 times/sec

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dscoular:

adante, I'm getting it too... followed by 2006-05–21 16:31:00.933 audio waiting for space on soundcard: have 1020 need 4096

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dscoular:

tuxokc, I'm using the blue theme, but with a hacked version of Isthmus as my OSD theme.

[06:34:51]

dscoular:

adante, I tried turning on agressive audio buffering but "no cigar" :^(

[06:35:08]

adante:

hmm. i get that, but don't have any sound problems

[06:35:42]

dscoular:

adante, yes sound is fine but my logs are growing fast ;)

[06:35:53]

dscoular:

I think I've found what it is

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adante:

ah yes.. that sucks :]

[06:36:39]

dscoular:

In the Setup > TV Settings > Playback > [ page 2 ]

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dscoular:

There's "Enable warnings about missing audio output", mines on... gonna nix that

[06:37:41]

stevenm:

Hi. So I am on 0.19. Running the frontend, watching a recording. Suddenly it disappears and 'Killed.' appears in the console. Nothing in dmesg. Second time this happened. What is the deal here?

[06:38:13]

dscoular:

stevenm, is this the lates svn 0.19-fixes ?

[06:38:29]

stevenm:

dscoular, no I do not believe so.

[06:38:51]

stevenm:

dscoular, this is plain 0.19 i belieive

[06:39:04]

stevenm:

dscoular, has a simiar issue been fixed in svn ?

[06:39:11]

dscoular:

0.19 is very flakey (in my opinion) but getting more and more stable in the 0.19-fixes branch.

[06:39:25]

dscoular:

The frontend is still not too stable as yet.

[06:39:41]

dscoular:

Though a vast improvement on plain 'ol 0.19

[06:40:05]

stevenm:

its been working just fine on my laptop. But on desktop (which is also the backend) it has done this twice in the past few days, since I started running it on that system

[06:40:27]

** dscoular shrugs **

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stevenm:

are there snapshots of the fixes branch? or do I need svn to get at it?

[06:41:27]

dscoular:

0.19.1 is supposed to be on the horizon... otherwise svn 0.19-fixes is your friend

[06:42:02]

stevenm:

dscoular, hmm, alright

[06:42:22]

stevenm:

wish it didnt take so long to build

[06:42:40]

dscoular:

adante, bugger that made no difference still getting the audio messages.

[06:42:52]

dscoular:

stevenm, if you have several nodes consider ccache

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kRutOn:

stevenm: Sounds like it's exceeding some resources, but I've only known OpenBSD to terminate processes that are hogging resources

[06:43:25]

stevenm:

kRutOn, I have seen this happen on Linux for two reasons

[06:43:32]

kRutOn:

if you rebuild the same thing over and over consider ccache; if you have several nodes consider distcc

[06:43:49]

stevenm:

1 – out of memory kill, but that shows a message in the debug log

[06:44:04]

stevenm:

2 – it is an assertion failure within the program itself. Gaim has done this in the past

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stevenm:

yea i have distcc, but I am not at work so cant take real advantage of it

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stevenm:

given how desktop if my main compile node, i doubt the laptop would help it much

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dscoular:

k

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X-Rob:

I'm about to build a mythtv box for home – any suggestions on preferred distro?

[07:53:18]

Agrajag-:

whatever you know how to use

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X-Rob:

Thanks, Agrajag-.

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X-Rob:

I know we (freepbx) prefer centos, but if you're distro agnositc, I'll prolly stick with that 8)

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asd26:

help

[08:07:24]

asd26:

I'm from australia, and when i try to scan for channels it's stuck at 50%

[08:07:49]

asd26:

using a digital tuner

[08:08:47]

asd26:

i rememeber using mythtv before

[08:09:25]

asd26:

i had to do some secret ctrl alt something to get into prompt and select, analog, digital for australia, but i have no idea how

[08:09:40]

asd26:

now

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dscoular:

asd26, DVB-T tuning always seems to stick at 50%

[08:11:09]

dscoular:

in australia

[08:11:23]

dscoular:

asd26, you can set it to ignore timeouts

[08:11:46]

dscoular:

asd26, or you can do individual transport based scans.

[08:12:04]

dscoular:

asd26, finally, you can try importing a channels.conf if those techniques fail.

[08:12:07]

X-Rob:

ooh, that was going to be my next question – what DVT-B cards are supported for .au signals?

[08:12:45]

asd26:

well i'm using DTV1000T i've read posts that it worked fine with mythtv

[08:12:58]

X-Rob:

asd26, where'd you buy it from? (online?)

[08:13:07]

dscoular:

X-Rob, erm... I haven't heard of any that don't... I confirm that the tda1004x based Nova-T and the AverMedia DVB-T USB-2.0. devices work.

[08:13:09]

asd26:

dudes can u watch record and watch at the same time?

[08:13:21]

X-Rob:

woo, USB ones work? *impressed*

[08:13:21]

asd26:

computerfair $83 dollars

[08:13:32]

dscoular:

asd26, all live tv is a recording... so yes

[08:13:35]

X-Rob:

dscoular, thanks. You rock.

[08:13:56]

asd26:

dudes i can't wait to get this thign up

[08:14:03]

X-Rob:

actually, now that I think about it, if USB ones work, is there any hassle with me using _multiple_ usb receivers? The via board I want to use only has one PCI slot

[08:14:22]

asd26:

but it locks at 50%, i have to so special keys to get into prompt selection screen or something

[08:15:18]

asd26:

i used myhthv a while back, three months ago with a scrap 320x240 analog card, i had to do ctrl alt something

[08:15:21]

dscoular:

asd26, I can't run it right now but from memory isn't there a scan "type" in the first screen... or advanced options or something ?

[08:16:14]

dscoular:

X-Rob, I don't know about multiple usb-2.0 tuners... for me one PCI one and one USB-2.0 one is enoug

[08:16:34]

X-Rob:

dscoular, good point. I'll probably stick with that.

[08:17:08]

asd26:

video sources seems to be it

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X-Rob:

Wifey has finally come across to the idea of having a proper box.. We've been using an xbox for a while, but I just 'discovered' I had a spare 17" LCD monitor that we could stick up on the wall.

[08:18:14]

asd26:

video sources, I write a name australia, select tv_grab_au

[08:18:19]

asd26:

finish

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asd26:

then it locks at 50%, i assume it triggers a script, which i then need a secret key commbiantions to get into

[08:19:28]

dscoular:

Hit Alt-TAB... is your console window prompting you to run mythfilldatabase ?

[08:19:39]

asd26:

xmltv thing

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asd26:

lol alt-tab thats it!! hail dscoular

[08:20:13]

** dscoular blushes **

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asd26:

lol still a disaster..lol

[08:25:51]

asd26:

i have no idea if my card is configured...lol

[08:26:26]

dscoular:

have you visited all 4 buttons in the mythtv-setup ?

[08:26:33]

dscoular:

1. defind the cards

[08:26:42]

dscoular:

2. defined the sources

[08:26:58]

dscoular:

3. linked the cards to sources

[08:27:14]

dscoular:

4. linked the xmltvid's to channels

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dscoular:

I'm sure its in the documentation

[08:27:40]

X-Rob:

dscoular, heh. people don't read the documentation, geez.

[08:27:51]

dscoular:

true

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asd26:

geting errors can't find data source..lol

[08:29:02]

dscoular:

and the errors would be... (if long use pastebin.ca) ?

[08:30:03]

X-Rob:

ooh, I just noticed, dscoular, you work for cisco – where abouts?

[08:30:14]

X-Rob:

(I used to be in St Leondards, before I moved to QLD)

[08:30:28]

dscoular:

X-Rob, I work on level 5!!!

[08:31:14]

X-Rob:

dscoular, Geez. I think I was on level 3. Infosec with Simon Finn (if he's still around?)

[08:31:28]

dscoular:

I was at the pub with him on Friday

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X-Rob:

hah!

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X-Rob:

Small world 8)

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dscoular:

but beautiful too :)

[08:32:00]

Agrajag-:

heh X-Rob im in chatswood

[08:32:10]

asd26:

dudes doing a scan

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X-Rob:

Geez. I feel all left out up here in qld.

[08:32:45]

X-Rob:

but I don' thave any traffic jams, _OR_ double demerit points. So nyah 8)

[08:32:46]

asd26:

i think it's finding nothing..lol

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Agrajag-:

X-Rob: and im using 2 cheap as visionplus dvb-t cards that work fine

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X-Rob:

Agrajag-, this via machine only has one PCI slot, but I do want two tuners. So 1 pci, 1 usb will be fine

[08:33:45]

X-Rob:

(these are snazzy little boards – 2 ethernet, 4 serial, 6 usb)

[08:33:50]

Agrajag-:

ah right ok

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asd26:

ok i i think it worked

[08:34:37]

dscoular:

I barely have a car... a hail damaged, 91 Peugeot 205 I use about once a month. Bus from Manly to St. Leonards is stress free.

[08:34:48]

asd26:

but everytime i try to start mythtv it crashes

[08:34:57]

X-Rob:

dscoular, does finno still have a motorbike?

[08:35:21]

Agrajag-:

haha i have a friend who bussed it from queenscliff to north sydney.. he moved to north sydney :P

[08:35:23]

dscoular:

asd26 my advice is follow the guide and/or look at the mythbackend log.

[08:36:01]

dscoular:

X-Rob, it got stolen and when he broke his arm and had cancelled the insurance!!!

[08:36:14]

asd26:

i did a scan, i think it picked up a few channels

[08:36:14]

X-Rob:

dscoular, argh!

[08:36:24]

dscoular:

X-Rob, he didn't have one for about a year... and just bought one the other month

[08:36:32]

X-Rob:

I was the guy that got him into road biking

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asd26:

i must say this computer makes to much noise, need to pull all the fans off them ..:)

[08:36:43]

X-Rob:

I used to commute in from blacktown every day on a triumph 995

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dscoular:

Ah... that is a thing of beauty

[08:37:08]

X-Rob:

that was a fun ride. If I wasn't above the speed limit the _entire time_ (especially along the M2) I wasn't trying hard enough

[08:37:16]

X-Rob:

until, of course, the cops dragged me off to gaol

[08:37:18]

X-Rob:

that wasn't quite as much fun

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dscoular:

Will Simon know who X-Rob is if I mention your tag ?

[08:37:37]

X-Rob:

dscoular, "Rob from RPI" should trigger his memory

[08:37:47]

X-Rob:

but I think he's only ever worked wiht one Rob in infosec there 8)

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X-Rob:

Rob Thomas

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dscoular:

ok... I'll let him know your asking after him

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asd26:

its works hail!!!

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asd26:

now the remote

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X-Rob:

I'm one of those bastards taking money from callmanager with asterisk and freepbx now 8)

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dscoular:

I've been wondering whether I can use a asterisk to make callmanager think a linux sip softphone is a skinny phone... any idea ? I know you can set up a skinny trunk... but that requires access to the callmanager.

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X-Rob:

dscoular, yeah you can – but chan_sccp is as ugly as a hat full of arseholes and isn't all that reliable.

[08:40:53]

dscoular:

hee hee

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dscoular:

Maybe I'll just wait till they setup sip on callmanager 5

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X-Rob:

there are a couple of attempts happening to rewrite the sccp stuff, some of which I'm sure will work.

[08:41:21]

asd26:

audio is working!!!

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X-Rob:

asd26, woo!

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sixy:

is it possible to cotrol myth with irpty?

[08:42:30]

X-Rob:

dscoular, the only site I know of that's actually using chan_sccp in production is using it purely as a gateway. You dial '555' on the cisco phone, and that gives you a dialtone on the asterisk box. There's no sanity working between them.

[08:43:21]

dscoular:

I tried to port Paul V's skinny windoze phone to linux but his skinny implementation was a couple of revs behind the current CM... it worked but a couple keys were dead coz of this... I gave up since I was told sip was coming.

[08:43:28]

asd26:

i cna't even play HDTV back it's too much for my pc

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X-Rob:

Hmm, asd26 that's a good point – what spec is your PC?

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dscoular:

asd26, do you have an HDTV ?

[08:44:08]

asd26:

yeah, my CRT monitor..lol

[08:44:11]

dscoular:

asd26, you'll be wanting XvMC

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asd26:

at 1024x768

[08:44:30]

dscoular:

and a disk upgrade

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X-Rob:

dscoular, hopefully with sip in cm the phone's sip firmware will suck less. (presently, it sucks lots 8)

[08:44:49]

asd26:

mabe i need to change the encoding options

[08:45:06]

dscoular:

Did you notice Paul V. wrote mythphone too

[08:45:17]

X-Rob:

dscoular, hardware specs for me – via 1ghz, 512m, 2.6.9-blah – am I going to have issues with hdtv to vga?

[08:45:54]

X-Rob:

dscoular, I am a total mythtv n00b. Tonight is my learning curve 8)

[08:45:58]

dscoular:

X-Rob, without a hardware decoder like NVidia's XvMC you will have a hard time

[08:46:00]

X-Rob:

(re the did I notice..)

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X-Rob:

dscoular, mmmm. OK. So I really should be using a nvida card then?

[08:46:24]

** X-Rob ponders convincing wifey we need a new machine for this **

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dscoular:

A $70 FX5200 or $50 MX440 is supposed to be da bomb

[08:47:31]

dscoular:

I have the MX440 but only an SD telly

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X-Rob:

even the mx440? I've got a couple of them lying around, but these machines don't have AGP slots.

[08:48:36]

X-Rob:

install's almost finished, yay.

[08:48:38]

dscoular:

personally, I can live with SD

[08:49:15]

X-Rob:

You can receive SD via digital receivers? (note: n00b factor is sticking it's head out here, I can tell)

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dscoular:

X-Rob DVB-T cards don't care... it's just tuning to a different multiplex in a broadcast.

[08:50:53]

X-Rob:

dscoular, funky.

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dscoular:

You can receive SD or HD from most ards

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dscoular:

s/ards/cards

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X-Rob:

I don't really care about hdtv, it's a 17" lcd that's about 4 meters away

[08:51:23]

X-Rob:

so I'm not going to notice it anyway

[08:51:38]

dscoular:

Yeah... you'll need to deinterlace it... which myth can do for ya

[08:51:57]

X-Rob:

baby duty for 10 mins, bbak

[08:52:06]

** dscoular waves **

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asd26:

i love this PVR

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X-Rob:

OK I'm back and I'm being a wuss – installing RPM's.

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prologic:

HI all, can anyone explain why I keep getting these messages on the console ?

[09:25:17]

prologic:

2006-05–21 19:24:15.759 rebuffering (7201 32768)

[09:25:18]

prologic:

2006-05–21 19:24:15.966 rebuffering (26293 32768)

[09:26:11]

dscoular:

I think a lot of people are getting these

[09:26:19]

dscoular:

Are you using 0.19-fixes

[09:27:57]

prologic:

no

[09:28:08]

prologic:

just 0.19

[09:28:20]

prologic:

also I'm getting a strange error when trying to schedule

[09:28:22]

prologic:

2006-05–21 19:25:26.366 MythPlugin::Init() dlerror: /usr/lib/mythtv/plugins/liblibtv.so.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

[09:28:22]

prologic:

2006-05–21 19:25:26.367 Unable to initialize plugin 'tv'.

[09:28:22]

prologic:

2006-05–21 19:25:26.368 Unable to run plugin 'tv': not initialized

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prologic:

how does libxvmc help mythtv at all ?

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asd26:

I'm missing channels

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dscoular:

prologic, it decodes mpeg-[12] in the graphics card h/w

[09:58:09]

prologic:

ahh k

[09:58:14]

prologic:

any way of getting mythtv to use this ?

[09:58:37]

prologic:

I can't find any configure option (it currently isn't turned on, even though I do have libXvmc in my X)

[09:59:07]

dscoular:

do you have an nvidia video card

[10:03:43]

dscoular:

prologic, you need a card that supports XvMC

[10:04:26]

** dscoular decides to make dinner **

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X-Rob:

Ahha. I see my problem. It seems to expect that I have a capture card as a channel source

[10:05:28]

dscoular:

First you define your cards, then your xmltv sources, then you associate the sources with cards, then channels with xmltvids.

[10:05:58]

X-Rob:

but if I don't have a card, it all falls over. I just want it to play back mpgs and avis.

[10:06:14]

X-Rob:

(well, for th emoment – I want to show wifey how cool it is)

[10:06:55]

prologic:

hmm no

[10:07:01]

prologic:

I have a Radeon card

[10:07:06]

dscoular:

X-Rob, Then you don't need to define channels or cards

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dscoular:

prologic, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC

[10:07:48]

X-Rob:

ok, I'm now going to RTFM. Can you point me towards TFM?

[10:08:23]

dscoular:

$50 bucks buys you a good NVidia card.

[10:08:56]

dscoular:

X-Rob, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Manual:Index

[10:09:06]

X-Rob:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-9.html#ss9.1

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X-Rob:

was reading that

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X-Rob:

but wikis are better.

[10:09:40]

dscoular:

also, http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInstall

[10:09:47]

dscoular:

is the official guide/faq

[10:09:58]

prologic:

hmm

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prologic:

how does one find out if one's card supports xvmc neways ?

[10:10:40]

dscoular:

prologic, read the link I guess or google

[10:10:50]

prologic:

heh

[10:10:56]

prologic:

I was looking for a way to query my card :)

[10:10:58]

asd26:

how do i turn the back end off

[10:10:58]

prologic:

nevermind

[10:11:09]

prologic:

/etc/rc.d/mythbackend stop

[10:11:11]

prologic:

least here

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dscoular:

prologic, ATI doesn't support XvMC... that's what the link I gave you states

[10:11:49]

prologic:

oh thanks

[10:12:00]

prologic:

sorry I'm a bit blind I would have missed it

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dscoular:

no worries

[10:12:12]

prologic:

looks like I need a new video card

[10:12:14]

prologic:

this one is shit neways :)

[10:12:31]

prologic:

no decent fps on any 3d game

[10:13:29]

dscoular:

I'm very happy with my MSI NVidia MX440 fanless thing... apparently the FX5200 is good too... I don't play games though. The closest I come is to running http://celestia.sourceforge.net/

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** dscoular really does have to make dinner now **

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asd26:

XvMc encoder?

[10:14:31]

dscoular:

XvMC decodes AFAIK

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asd26:

i can't turn off the backend to rescan it

[10:15:00]

dscoular:

asd26, what o/s distro

[10:15:12]

prologic:

hrmm

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asd26:

myth distro one

[10:15:20]

prologic:

where is mythtv support to get the libmythtv.so plugin from

[10:15:21]

prologic:

weird

[10:15:27]

prologic:

I can't schedule anything anymore ;/

[10:15:59]

asd26:

my thundbird 1333 hands this thing ok

[10:16:14]

dscoular:

asd26, do you mean knoppmyth or mythdora ?

[10:16:29]

asd26:

knoppmyth

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asd26:

which is better?

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dscoular:

I don't use either... so I cannot comment

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X-Rob_:

OK. I'm flailing around in the docco here and not having much luck. I have various SMB mounts that have movies, tv shows, etc on them. Where do I configure, in mythtv, where these mountpoints are?

[10:22:35]

X-Rob_:

I go to 'watch videos' and it says 'no files found'

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garrick:

X-Rob: in the video settings, define a path, then go into the video manager to import them

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dscoular:

garrick took the words outta my mouth

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X-Rob_:

I just found a whole pile of setups that I hadn't noticed before – Also, my mouse pointer seems to be stuck on 'text entry' (eg like ][) – some wierd centos X thing?

[10:26:26]

garrick:

heh, I just did it for my first time today

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dscoular:

X-Rob_, use the arrow keys.

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X-Rob_:

dscoular, yeah, I am. A bit hard with pulldown menus tho 8)

[10:27:50]

dscoular:

Right/Left arrows select different menu items

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X-Rob_:

dscoular, funky.

[10:28:00]

X-Rob_:

Apologies for being so clueless.

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dscoular:

It's designed to be used with a remote

[10:28:18]

dscoular:

no apologies required

[10:28:28]

dscoular:

I really must do something about dinner though!

[10:29:30]

asd26:

i don't think i kill the backend

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dscoular:

pkill mythbackend

[10:30:06]

dscoular:

or pkill -9 mythbackend if you want to use a shotgun

[10:30:33]

dscoular:

It may leave lock files which you will want to remove.

[10:31:27]

asd26:

isn't there away to reconfigure from scratch

[10:31:27]

garrick:

is there any easy way to add menu entry to run commands? Say, I want to add 'reboot' and 'eject' commands

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asd26:

I'm missing two channels

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dscoular:

asd26, make the timeouts unlimited

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X-Rob_:

woo! Locked it up hard!

[10:44:15]

X-Rob_:

I rock.

[10:44:35]

asd26:

did a rescan and it worked

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laga:

o/

[10:44:46]

asd26:

now i need the remote working

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** X-Rob_ now goes and looks at updating the damn unichrome drivers. **

[10:44:55]

asd26:

then tv-out and i'm finished

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asd26:

dvd movies are not playing

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asd26:

i can now output HD without any problems

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asd26:

any simple ways to get the remote working

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laga:

GreyFoxx: heya. does the msntv2 have the fs454 chipset for tv-out? i'm looking at the s100 vision box by t-online which seems to be similar to the msntv2. there is already support for the tv-out if you use the intel drivers. just a FYI :)

[11:00:42]

dscoular:

asd26, lircd can be a pain. visit lircd.org and see if they have a lircd.conf for your remote. What's your card again ?

[11:07:14]

K|NgGh0sT:

oh god did I just ream msntv?

[11:07:16]

K|NgGh0sT:

argh

[11:07:45]

K|NgGh0sT:

*read

[11:09:29]

laga:

yep

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asd26:

dscoularDTV1000T leadtek winfast

[11:10:33]

GreyFoxx:

laga: Nope, the MSNTV2 uses the conexant cx25873 tvencoder, BUT the IEGD driver comes with a module to controlthe fs* tvencoder..... so you might be able to get it working easily

[11:11:59]

laga:

GreyFoxx: well, people already have it working. i'm currently reading up on it. it sucks to gather those little pieces of information together :)

[11:12:09]

GreyFoxx:

fs454.so

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GreyFoxx:

If it's cheap enough it could make a good FE :)

[11:12:35]

laga:

GreyFoxx: do you know if i need a special kernel for the IEGD driver?

[11:12:47]

GreyFoxx:

yeah, youneed to path your kernel

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laga:

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GreyFoxx:

which I haqppen to have :)

[11:12:57]

laga:

GreyFoxx: those patches are open source, right?

[11:13:09]

GreyFoxx:

they are in the driver ytou can freely download

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laga:

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GreyFoxx:

had to hand fix some of it to get it to work with anewer kernel

[11:13:25]

laga:

ah, nice. that sounds good :)

[11:13:37]

GreyFoxx:

what currencyis that ? :)

[11:13:42]

laga:

GreyFoxx: did you happen to put your updated patches on the web?

[11:13:44]

laga:

GreyFoxx: euro

[11:14:00]

GreyFoxx:

ahh

[11:14:18]

GreyFoxx:

laga: I haven't. But I'm willing to share :)

[11:14:57]

GreyFoxx:

got a site with some specs on those boxes (or photos?:)

[11:15:05]

GreyFoxx:

Might be the same reference design

[11:15:08]

laga:

GreyFoxx: that sounds good :) let me know when you put them on the web, tahnsk :)

[11:15:11]

laga:

thanks*

[11:15:12]

GreyFoxx:

several IPTV boxes are based on it

[11:15:14]

laga:

wait a sec

[11:16:10]

laga:

yep, this is an iptv box running windows ce.

[11:16:26]

laga:

http://www.zenega-user.de/wiki/index.php/Intel

[11:16:41]

laga:

http://www.zenega-user.de/wiki/index.php/Bild:Uebersicht.jpg

[11:16:46]

laga:

it's all in german, unfortunately

[11:16:58]

laga:

ignore the boad on the right, that'S some powerpc thingie for dvb

[11:18:08]

laga:

http://smue.org/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core . . . _itemId=3702 – here we go, even more pictures.

[11:18:30]

laga:

the intel parzt of the zenega is almost the same hardware as the s100 i was talking about

[11:18:51]

GreyFoxx:

nice

[11:19:23]

laga:

sorry, i got excited about it. ;)

[11:19:35]

GreyFoxx:

I would doo

[11:19:38]

GreyFoxx:

too

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GreyFoxx:

especially if you can get them cheap :)

[11:19:59]

GreyFoxx:

So people already have linux runnign on them ?

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laga:

sure. it's just a matter of connecting a monitor to the internal vga header (gotta make an adapter cable), go to the bios, set "boot windows ce" to "no" and that's it.

[11:21:16]

laga:

well, connecting a cdrom and booting linux might be needed, too :)

[11:21:27]

GreyFoxx:

nice $

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asd26:

how u run a simple lirc remote program?

[11:21:59]

GreyFoxx:

LCD display in the front / volume+control buttons ?

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prologic:

Ok, where do I get these 0.19 fixes from ? These re-buffering messages on the console are annoying — and eventually livetv playback will stop working

[11:22:26]

laga:

i just hope that 128mb ram will be sufficient for mythtv at 1280x768. i'Ve found that it consumes a lot of memory at higher resolutions

[11:22:53]

GreyFoxx:

why run it that high ?:) SDTV is nowherenear that :P)

[11:22:57]

laga:

GreyFoxx: uh, dunno. i don't think the s100 has those.

[11:23:24]

prologic:

laga, mine runs at 640x480 :)

[11:23:37]

prologic:

you don't need much more than that (least on analogue tv)

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laga:

GreyFoxx: well, my parents have a HDTV. and i don't wanna run 800x600 there, especially because the TVs internal scaler is shitty

[11:24:41]

GreyFoxx:

If it has a volume knob, control buttons and LCD display I'd be trying to convince you to buy and ship one to me :)

[11:25:39]

laga:

hehe :)

[11:25:42]

laga:

the zenega one is more expensive

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laga:

looks like it costs from 100 to 200 euro

[11:27:28]

laga:

and i doubt it has an LCD :/

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asd26:

dam remotes

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dscoular:

asd26, yeah it looks pretty grim for the DTV1000T on the remote front... google doesn't come up with much.

[11:29:02]

dscoular:

Can you put the output of lsmod up on pastebin.ca ?

[11:29:03]

X-Rob_:

woo!

[11:29:05]

X-Rob_:

It works!

[11:29:17]

X-Rob_:

After spending _far_ too long trying to upgrade the unichrome drivers, the damn thing works!

[11:29:21]

** dscoular holds up his lighter **

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X-Rob_:

dscoular, thanks for your help dude.

[11:29:45]

X-Rob_:

got a paypal acct as a tip jar?

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GreyFoxx:

X-Rob_: Now make backups

[11:29:47]

GreyFoxx:

:)

[11:29:57]

dacer:

hi, when I start mythtv, said that can not connect to mythtv backend, and if i sure ip is set. But mythtv-backend is running and when I restart this service everything looks fine. What can be the problem?

[11:30:10]

dscoular:

X-Rob_, I help for free

[11:30:19]

X-Rob_:

dscoular, as I said. tip jar.

[11:30:28]

dscoular:

Forget about it

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X-Rob_:

coolo.

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dacer:

I even try to add my normal user in mythtv group

[11:33:39]

dacer:

anyone know how to check is backend is alive and if frontend can connect with it?

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dscoular:

dacer, ps -ef |grep mythb

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dacer:

dscoular, no proccess

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dscoular:

dacer, then your backend ain't running

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dacer:

grrrrrr, again when I restart daemon /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart, again sql problems Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed

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dacer:

I thought It is solved

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dscoular:

Did you follow the documentation ?

[11:39:33]

dacer:

dscoular, not now, I tried before several times and always find some problem

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dacer:

dscoular, I want to use debian packages (for future updates)

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dscoular:

See /usr/share/doc/packagename/README.Debian for more information, including copies of the MythTV documentation. The mythtv-doc package contains a copy of this HOWTO in /usr/share/doc/mythtv-doc.

[11:44:08]

dscoular:

From the official docs: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-3.html

[11:45:00]

dacer:

thanks dscoular

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dscoular:

dacer, anytime

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prologic:

hrmm guys I can't find these 0.19 fixes :/

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dscoular:

svn.mythtv.org

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prologic:

wait

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prologic:

you mean it's fixed in the latest trunk ?

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** dscoular wonders who prologic is talking to **

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laga:

dscoular: the whole authentication rejected message is harmless (doesn't prevent mythbackend from working)

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prologic:

you :)

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laga:

argh, sorry.

[11:48:53]

laga:

i meant dacer. never mind, he's gone.

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dscoular:

prologic, I mean you can find 0.19-fixes at http://svn.mythtv.org/

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prologic:

ahh

[11:50:28]

prologic:

ahh lovely

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prologic:

trac :)

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asd26:

remote is crazy

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asd26:

any know how to get the auto-script up for remote?

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dscoular:

asd26, a little more information would help.

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asd26:

dscoular when i first installed knopmyth..it came up with script and i selected a remote, but i think it was the wrong one

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dscoular:

asd26, I can't see any evidence of a driver existing for your remote. I'm not saying there isn't one for the DTV1000T... just that googling I can find no discussion. Which is unusual.

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laga:

asd26: look in /usr/local/bin/

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asd26:

dam...

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asd26:

i was going today, which card do i buy..lol

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Bud_Resin:

anybody here?

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laga:

naw

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** asd26 bought the wrong card...ahh **

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dscoular:

asd26, I asked you to put the output of lsmod up on http://pastebin.ca could you ?

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asd26:

ops..

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dscoular:

and the output of cat /proc/bus/input/devices

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laga:

!trout Juski

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** MythLogBot slaps Juski with a trout on behalf of laga... **

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** dscoular waves at juski **

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laga:

dscoular: with the trout?

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** dscoular is a newbie **

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Juski:

afternoon laga

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Juski:

hi dscoular

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dscoular:

hi

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asd26:

problem is it's on another computer

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asd26:

it has no irc

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dscoular:

asd26, isn't that why they invented ssh ?

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Juski:

bugger. time to go out already

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Juski:

bbl

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** dscoular waves **

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mythicness:

how do you increase a process's priority

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mythicness:

my livetv is really choppy when im running other stuf

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dscoular:

as root use nice with negative numbers

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dscoular:

But I don't think you want to do that

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dscoular:

mythfrontend (if correctly setup) will switch to a real time high priority anyway.

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dscoular:

mythicness, what is your cpu ?

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asd26:

mythtv has so many options

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asd26:

i find it records thing i don't want to be recorded

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dscoular:

I think you just ensure it's setuid root and it's in the TV settings Playback button

[12:52:40]

dscoular:

asd26, would you rather it didn't have so many options ;)

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asd26:

dam remote..

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asd26:

i should research this..lol

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asd26:

http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/leadtek/lircd.conf.RM-0010 wish me luck with this

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dscoular:

good luck

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asd26:

i just put it in the /etc/ and rebooted..lol

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asd26:

so if my card is working, then all need is the right conf file?

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dscoular:

you didn't need to reboot... restarting lircd would have been fine.

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dscoular:

You'll also need a ~/.mythtv/lircrc

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asd26:

how i do that>?

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asd26:

reboot didn't seem to work

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dscoular:

cat /proc/bus/input/devices like I said ages ago into http://pastebin.ca

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** dscoular meant to say please **

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mythicness:

dscoular: I am running it as my user, not root

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mythicness:

what is suid?

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dscoular:

mythicness, what cpu do you have

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dscoular:

mythicness, setuid means that you set a flag on the binary which tells the kernel to run the binary as another user id.

[13:11:20]

dscoular:

mythicness, you use 'chown root binaryname' to change the owner to root.

[13:11:45]

dscoular:

mythicness, you use 'chmod u+s binaryname' to set that flag.

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dscoular:

mythicness, when you run binaryname it runs as root.

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adante:

mythicness: the wiki has information for running the frontend with priority

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dscoular:

mythicness, when mythfrontend detects it's running as root and you have told it to use real-time priorities in the setup it will attempt to use the real-time priority.

[13:13:05]

dscoular:

mythicness, but I doubt this is your problem.

[13:13:15]

adante:

dscoular: what build of myth are you using (regarding the slow dvb channel change times)

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dscoular:

svn 0.19-fixes uptodate as of this morning (Sydney time)

[13:13:53]

adante:

righteo, me too

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adante:

what's your ringbuffer size?

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dscoular:

It can be as fast as 2 seconds as slow as 10.

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adante:

hm better'n me.. usually 10–15

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dscoular:

adante, that's a very personal question ;)

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dscoular:

adante, I didn't think 0.19 had a ringbuffer anymore

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adante:

dscoular: haha well mine's 9meg, if that helps :]

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dscoular:

adante, where do I find that ?

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Bud_Resin:

would either of you be willing to help me with mythweb when you are done?

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dscoular:

what's you problem with mythweb, have you followed the official documentation... I'm happy to help but it's getting late down here in Oz.

[13:16:43]

Bud_Resin:

i've followed what i understand but sometimes it doesn't give the exact file to edit

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adante:

dscoular: lol ok, guess i've been fiddling with the option for no reason then :|

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asd26:

dscoular that what u wanted?

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dscoular:

asd26, you need to tell me the url

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dscoular:

adante, I don't see the option (I could be wrong) where is it ?

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asd26:

http://pastebin.ca/57558

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adante:

dscoular: should be in setup -> general -> general (page 4 or aroundabouts)

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mythicness:

i have a 3ghz P4

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adante:

Bud_Resin: whats the problem?

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mythicness:

its only using about 15%

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mythicness:

but livetv is still choppy while im ripping a dvd

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mythicness:

otherwise its fine

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dscoular:

adante, nothing there

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mythicness:

so no major problem

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Bud_Resin:

adante can't connect i've put the allow override in what i think is the correct file

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dscoular:

mythicness, it's not your CPU... that's way powerful

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adante:

Bud_Resin: right... and there's no error message?

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Bud_Resin:

well i get the index of /mythweb and if i click on mythweb.php i get db error

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Bud_Resin:

database environment variable aren't set correctly

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dscoular:

asd26, the kernel's input system hasn't got a driver registered for your card. I think your outta luck.

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adante:

dscoular: sorry, setup -> tv settings -> playback -> last page (last option)

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mythicness:

dscoular yeah i think u right... hmmm

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adante:

dscoular: whats apache log say?

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dscoular:

adante, nope... my last page relates to OSD theme and fonts. Your running 0.19-fixes svn ?

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asd26:

oh dam

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mythicness:

also is there any way to reduce the delay on livetv?

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dscoular:

adante, huh?!??

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dscoular:

apache log

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adante:

dscoular: wrong person sorry

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adante:

Bud_Resin: what's apache log say?

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dscoular:

no worries

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mythicness:

at the moment the delay is about 5 seconds

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mythicness:

which is really siff :(

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Bud_Resin:

not much just shows a bunch of attempts

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adante:

dscoular: ARGH.. ok.. setup -> tv settings -> GENERAL -> last page

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** asd26 throws his PVR out the window **

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adante:

third times the charm

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dscoular:

9400KB I'm not sure if that's 4 my eyes are going

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asd26:

~/.mythtv/lircrc whats the point of this?

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dscoular:

asd26, it maps lirc codes to keys

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asd26:

dscoular does that have to be manual inputed?

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dscoular:

Forget about myth for now. If you can ge lircd to run then run irw to capture and print out keypress events you are half way there.

[13:30:32]

dscoular:

If you can find any evidence of your remote being supported under linux I'll happily help you.

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dscoular:

Bud_Resin, sounds like you didn't create the .htaccess file

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Bud_Resin:

it was there i just made sure the db_vars were correct

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** dscoular decides to hit the hay **

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dscoular:

night night all

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Bud_Resin:

how do i get mod_env enabled in apache2.conf?

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K|NgGh0sT:

Does mythfrontend make any logs cause I cannot find any

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laga:

K|NgGh0sT: by default? no. but try --logfile yourlogfile.log

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Bud_Resin:

if someone wrote to do this what would be the command? add link to /etc/apache2/mods-availible/rewrite.load to mods-enabled

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K|NgGh0sT:

Damn I cant view any channels and its making me upset, back to manuals

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asd26:

lirc is going to be a challenge

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moemoe:

asd26: imho lirc is much easier then mythtv :D

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asd26:

moemoe?

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asd26:

how

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moemoe:

asd26: install it, compile the kernel-module, get the config for your rc, start the daemon

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asd26:

moemoe i think the config doesn't exist

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moemoe:

asd26: then create it

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asd26:

how do i do this trial and error process?

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moemoe:

http://lirc.org/html/irrecord.html

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asd26:

i have the remote in my hand ans i ssh into the machine

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moemoe:

and you have a reciever plugged into the machine?

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asd26:

yeah

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asd26:

iirecord needs options

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moemoe:

yes, the output-file

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asd26:

driver too i think

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moemoe:

no

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moemoe:

okay, if you have multiple, try serial :)

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moemoe:

asd26: you really can't find your rc in this list http://lirc.org/remotes/?

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asd26:

http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/leadtek/

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asd26:

nothing there

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asd26:

iirecord seems to complicated to use

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asd26:

irrecord: could not open file /dev/ttys2

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asd26:

irrecord: Input/output error

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moemoe:

asd26: user dmesg

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jchome:

moemoe :-)

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asd26:

lol

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moemoe:

moin jchome :D

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jchome:

*laugh*

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asd26:

i think it works..it didn't give me errors

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moemoe:

jchome: wieso hat ma dich doedel hier noch net gesehn :D

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jchome:

lirc suckz.. with the wrong adapter..

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jchome:

moemoe: ich schreib hier so selten ;-)

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asd26:

where do i check the output file?

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moemoe:

jchome: ack! but my homebrew-recievers work perfectly!

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asd26:

root@mythtv:~# irrecord /dev/ttyS0

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asd26:

but remote is not connected to a serial port

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asd26:

it's on the DTV card

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jchome:

moemoe: my homebrew only work with one mainboard.. and this doesn't hav any agp port..

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moemoe:

asd26: then the driver is i2c or something like this

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moemoe:

jchome: i have two different mainboards and both like my homebrew

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moemoe:

they even work better then the built-in recievers of my hifi-devices

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jchome:

moemoe: hum.. 3 mainboard dont want it.. actually I'm trying to build a bluetooth remote control.. 8-]

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asd26:

dam it

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asd26:

sleep

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Juski:

sleep? sleep is for people who have working mythtv systems :-P

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laga:

yep

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laga:

Juski: bought one of those S100s :)

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Juski:

cool!

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Juski:

frontend action?

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laga:

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laga:

Juski: you betcha

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laga:

s/betcha/bet/

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Juski:

easy buy an antenna though eh ;)

[15:45:39]

Juski:

does it come all linuxed up? just ready to be assimilated

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laga:

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Juski:

tv out?

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laga:

Juski: sure. even RGB. i hope i can feed it the proper modeline so interlacing won't be necessary

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Juski:

wicked!!

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laga:

yep

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Juski:

might buy one just to play with. shipping to the uk should only be €15 or so

[15:50:51]

laga:

and IDE and USB (2.0 imho) and wlan and a remote and and and ;)

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laga:

Juski: yep, why not? did i mention they're fanless?

[15:51:42]

Juski:

heheh

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laga:

might be even better than that epia of yours. dunno (yet!!)

[15:51:56]

** laga is very excited :) **

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Juski:

what do they come under on ebay?

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laga:

"t-online s100", "vision s100", something like that. they're a few auctions on there today.

[15:52:42]

Juski:

searching for s100 is giving me PDAs

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laga:

heh

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laga:

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem& . . . keTrack=true – this guy ships to europe

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laga:

kit looks complete, too

[15:55:42]

Juski:

they look nicer than the ones I saw earlier

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Juski:

if it works I could sell my epia & silverstone box :-P

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Juski:

bidding.. I'm a damn foo

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laga:

heh

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laga:

the one you looked at earlier were made by bose.

[15:58:17]

laga:

or "selected by bose"

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Juski:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt . . . m=9726579017

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laga:

Juski: getting the TV out to work is a little bit nasty, though. looks like you need some intel driver. but that shouldn't be much of a problem. especially not if you're using a distro like zenslack: http://zen.htpc-forum.de/index.html

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Juski:

oh fuck looks like I'm gonna win it

[16:00:25]

laga:

heh

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laga:

a bit expensive

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laga:

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Juski:

is it the same thing? high on paint fumes so my german is a bit worse than usual

[16:01:22]

laga:

congrats.

[16:01:28]

laga:

yep, it's the same

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Juski:

wooo

[16:01:40]

laga:

:)

[16:01:43]

Juski:

celery 733 – same as the hex boxen

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laga:

hex?

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laga:

you mean the msntv2?

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Juski:

xbox

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laga:

heh

[16:02:06]

laga:

but more RAM :)

[16:02:07]

Juski:

128MB ! more than enough ;-)

[16:02:38]

laga:

yep. hopefully :/ running mythfrontend at 1280x768 won't be nice *sigh*

[16:02:54]

Juski:

cheaper & nicer looking than the hauppauge mvp

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laga:

and i'm afraid the poor celeron 733 won't be able to deinterlace properly

[16:03:10]

laga:

Juski: yep. and way more versatile

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Juski:

xbox can

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Juski:

xbmc anyway

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laga:

i've got an old dvd drive lying around, from an old laptop. i wonder if i could hook that up into the s100

[16:04:42]

laga:

Juski: yeah, but xbmc is not mythtv :)

[16:04:48]

Juski:

now you're my tech support guy :-P

[16:04:56]

laga:

anyways, maybe i'll just drive the hdtv at pal resolution *shrug*

[16:05:05]

Juski:

lol

[16:05:05]

laga:

Juski: err... *cough*

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Juski:

great for sdtv though

[16:05:19]

Juski:

and the rugradio stand ;-)

[16:05:21]

laga:

i'm gonna run gentoo on mine

[16:05:23]

laga:

heh, yep

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Juski:

*lugradio I mean

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Juski:

does it support net booting?

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laga:

well, it comes with a 32mb disk-on-memory thing. you just put an etherboot image on there and you're all set

[16:06:27]

laga:

and for netbooting via wlan, you need some initrd-ish if you want encryption

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Juski:

as I suspected

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laga:

that's not bad, imho

[16:07:02]

Juski:

be quicker actually

[16:07:09]

laga:

maybe i'm just gonna bug GreyFoxx about his mythtv usb-stick distro again and install it on my broken usb stick

[16:07:16]

laga:

what would be quicker?

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Juski:

instead of getting the bootloader over the network ;)

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laga:

broken mp3 player*

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laga:

Juski: heh. pxelinux isn't that big :)

[16:08:39]

laga:

i hope prizes stay good for a while on these things. i could see myself getting some more

[16:10:02]

Juski:

shouldn't be too hard for me to get going.. I can always translate the forum

[16:10:12]

Juski:

heheh.. new subforum for mythtvtalk!

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Coume:

afternoon laga and juski :)

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Juski:

afternoon Coume. I just got me a ickle miff frontend!

[16:15:30]

Coume:

eheh nice

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Coume:

already set up?

[16:15:48]

Juski:

not quite

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Juski:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt . . . m=9726579017

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laga:

hi Coume

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** laga has got the same :) **

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Juski:

I didn't copy just for the sake of it though.. honest

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Coume:

erm u can use that as a frontend?

[16:17:51]

laga:

Coume: sure. usb 2.0, wlan, celeron 733mhz, 128mb ram, tv-out etc :)

[16:18:08]

Juski:

less than £50 delivered

[16:18:15]

laga:

fanless.

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Coume:

erm

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Coume:

is it only possible to buy them in Germany?

[16:20:01]

laga:

kinda, yes. a german ISP is selling them for IPTV. but shipping isn't that expensive :)

[16:20:47]

Coume:

erm and do u use it as boot over network then?

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laga:

yep.

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Juski:

make a nice frontend for the stand, as a demo of myth's ubiquitousness

[16:21:34]

laga:

you can also add a hard disk, but the PSU is crappy :)

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** Coume would like a fanless frontend :) **

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Juski:

incidentally the stand machine is doing well – getting it into shape

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Juski:

the 'main' box

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roger55:

laga, how is the psu crappy?

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laga:

Coume: well, i *think* it is fanless. i'm getting confused ;)

[16:22:24]

Varanger:

I want to build a new frontend... I am looking for a miniATX fanless case... I don't know brands... please help me

[16:22:35]

laga:

roger55: it doesn't work well if you add more hardware

[16:22:47]

Juski:

built-in PSU?

[16:22:48]

roger55:

laga, does the psu have a fan or not?

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laga:

roger55: i don't think so.

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Juski:

we have switch mode converters at work that take 12V in, and silent 12v PSUs

[16:23:12]

roger55:

laga, that would indeed be a cool thing then

[16:23:19]

Coume:

laga, so is the way to buy this nifty thingie is only ebay? or do u know a cheap reseller?

[16:23:19]

laga:

roger55: yep

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Juski:

has anyone dismantled one & put pictures online?

[16:23:44]

laga:

Coume: i only know about ebay. but maybe someone at zenega-user.de may help you

[16:24:08]

laga:

Juski: yep, check out the wiki. the zenega is almost the same, just ignore the ppc board :)

[16:24:10]

Coume:

is there a remote too???

[16:24:31]

laga:

yep

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laga:

i think it works in linux

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laga:

i should have received mine by friday or so, i hope. that'd be awesome because i have a long weekend then :)

[16:28:14]

Coume:

erm, I will have to research a bit. but if that's fanless.... and could work with a overnetwork or usbboot then I want one!

[16:28:32]

Coume:

cos' they are really cheap

[16:28:34]

laga:

Coume: juski and me will know more soon :)

[16:28:37]

Juski:

fanless or not – if it's quiet that'll do for me

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laga:

Coume: i hope they stay that way

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Coume:

Juski, yeah I said fanless but really quiet would do the trick :)

[16:29:21]

Coume:

lagam it is a new thingie or something old

[16:29:24]

Coume:

laga, it is a new thingie or something old

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laga:

Coume: quite new. i'd actually expect more of these boxen to show up on ebay, IPTV is really new in germany

[16:30:12]

laga:

and i really hope that more manufacturers use the same intel design. it looks like it can be hacked very easily :)

[16:30:14]

Coume:

but how come they sell them for 55EUR new...

[16:30:26]

Juski:

back of a lorry? ;-)

[16:30:43]

Coume:

oh :) what is real price then?

[16:30:53]

Juski:

wait til I have an english page – the price will escalate

[16:31:09]

robthebob:

hey has anyone here used projectx?

[16:31:12]

Juski:

I'm taking a slight risk, but hey it has a nice case

[16:31:24]

robthebob:

im having some troubles with it crashing out on a DVB recording

[16:31:46]

Juski:

robthebob: it's java shite

[16:31:48]

laga:

Coume: the ISPs are giving them away for almost nothing and people don't need them.

[16:32:11]

laga:

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robthebob:

Juski: java => shite or just shite?

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Juski:

java == shite IMHO

[16:32:58]

robthebob:

Juski: is there an alternative program that handles the mpeg2 glitches from DVB recordings well?

[16:33:10]

laga:

robthebob: try mythtranscode

[16:33:11]

Juski:

robthebob: pvastrumento under wine

[16:33:59]

Coume:

laga, erm interesting. I will have to monitor ebay until one with worlwide shipping comes up... right now, it's only Germany :/

[16:34:17]

robthebob:

laga: mythtranscode works alright, but i really want to just be able to play around with it as much as i want, preferably with mencoder

[16:34:22]

laga:

Coume: if you ask nicely, some people might ship to the UK.

[16:34:36]

laga:

robthebob: mythtranscode should fix your mpeg file...

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Juski:

mpeg2 – mpeg2 ;-)

[16:34:51]

robthebob:

laga: oh ok

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laga:

anyways, gonna go out to buy cigs

[16:36:12]

robthebob:

k thanks

[16:36:14]

Juski:

Coume: I'm gonna rework the mythcenter theme for the show. make it shiny :-)

[16:36:46]

robthebob:

i can't play transcoded files on a remote mythfrontend weirdly, i get these errors: Could not open /The Green Mile – 2006-02–12, 10–00 PM.nuv

[16:36:50]

Coume:

Juski, time is flying ! I should start working on my pundit...

[16:36:55]

robthebob:

12 retries etc...

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Coume:

laga, Juski did you notice my post in the forum?

[16:37:13]

Juski:

Coume: I just have some tweaking to do, then put all the media on there

[16:37:31]

Juski:

Coume: which one? what about?

[16:37:46]

Coume:

Juski, the one for moderator :)

[16:37:49]

Juski:

ahhh

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** Coume needs to check if the pundit can boot on usb or not... **

[16:38:28]

Juski:

Coume: can it net boot?

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Juski:

gonna install tftp soon

[16:38:56]

Juski:

gimme the MAC address & it should be sweet

[16:40:06]

Coume:

Juski, net boot I think so... but as this pundit lived 3 weeks and then went to Asus repair center and stayed in his box since I'm not sure!

[16:40:55]

Juski:

I'll also need to have the image though

[16:43:09]

** Coume found a S100 that can ship to UK :) **

[16:43:42]

Juski:

heh

[16:43:45]

Juski:

which seller?

[16:44:09]

Juski:

btw nice t-shirts. I really like the logo. do you have any erm.. samples? ;-)

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Coume:

seller: jonashro

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Coume:

Juski, I will order one once it is online so I will know what is the quality like.

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Juski:

cool

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Fenix:

hello, Does mythtv has dvb rotor (diseq1.2) support?

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laga:

Coume: btw, what about that competition were users should post their mythtv pictures?

[16:52:07]

Coume:

1 people posted :(

[16:52:16]

scopeuk:

rigs?

[16:52:21]

scopeuk:

i dident know there was one

[16:52:25]

Coume:

the idea was to make people elect the nicest box and then offer a Tshirt...

[16:52:28]

scopeuk:

could post mine you'ed all get a laugh out of it

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laga:

sad :/

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scopeuk:

where is the forum for it or was it on the mailing list?

[16:53:13]

janneg:

Fenix: yes, or I know at least one person that uses mythtv with a rotor

[16:53:33]

laga:

Coume: that spreadshirt shop is weird. it shows 7 pages, when when i click on the right arrow, it only shows two pages

[16:53:55]

Coume:

will have to try again at a later date! I does n't seem that people are interested to post picture of their set-up :/ sad, because it gives inspiration to others...

[16:54:07]

Coume:

scopeuk, that's on mythtvtalk.com in the gallery part

[16:54:08]

laga:

i wonder if the GF would appreciate a mythtvtalk thong

[16:54:14]

Coume:

lol laga

[16:54:17]

scopeuk:

Coume maby put it in the topic?

[16:54:49]

laga:

scopeuk: i don't think the powers that be would like that in the topic

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laga:

Coume: is it possible that there are no black shirts?

[16:55:03]

Coume:

scopeuk, the MythTV devs do not like forum but as mythtvtalk.com is tolerated around :)

[16:55:04]

sponz:

if I have Svideo out plugged in, and try to start X, i get a fatal error "no screens found". How do I specify that I want X to display on Svideo out?

[16:55:10]

Juski:

mythtvtalk.com.. where the string goes right up the crack of your arse.. I don't think so laga

[16:55:36]

laga:

Juski: that's very romantic. maybe she'd wear one if i explained it that way.

[16:55:47]

Coume:

laga, yeah it is possible that there is no black tshirt as you need to pay 50EUR to set up a design... and a minimum of xx orders...

[16:55:53]

scopeuk:

Coume and here was me thining this was the users channel ;-)

[16:56:13]

Juski:

thankfully this is where people ask dumb questions

[16:56:15]

scopeuk:

laga most of us dont have the posterior for it ;-)

[16:56:22]

laga:

Coume: no black shirts is baaaaad :/

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Juski:

scopeuk: speak for yerself :-P

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scopeuk:

lol

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scopeuk:

i said some

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Juski:

what's for tea? mince? oh god not again... lol

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Coume:

laga there are 7 pages. are you sure you clicked the > and not the >|

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Coume:

scopeuk, where about in the uk are u from?

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laga:

Coume: yep.

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scopeuk:

notts

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Coume:

Juski, can you see the 7 pages? I can see the 7 pages without problem fropm here

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laga:

Coume: so do i, but once i click on the >, it shows only 2. i can navigate using the direct links without a problem, though

[16:58:32]

Juski:

Coume: same as laga

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Coume:

scopeuk, if you have some free time in July 22 or 23 ;) Pop in at LUGRadio

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scopeuk:

let me check my calender

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Juski:

rofl.. we're not really doing thongs.. I thought that was a joke!

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Coume:

Juski, laga asked for it.. so there it is :)

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laga:

i think buying the mythtvtalk boxers might be fun enough

[17:00:05]

laga:

Coume: i did? omfg

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scopeuk:

right well 22nd i have 2 exams but im free on the 23rd

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laga:

Coume: FYI: i can't really see the logo on the t-shirts. it's there, but really small

[17:01:05]

laga:

Coume: correction: the arrows work fine on other pages, it's just the second page that's broken

[17:01:07]

Juski:

heh.. "have you got any patches for THIS? (lobs it out)"

[17:01:09]

Coume:

laga, yeah that's normal on the front and we can't zoom... but the back you can see it fine. on printing the front logo is around 10cmx3cm

[17:01:26]

laga:

ah, there's a logo on the back as well?

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laga:

Juski: oh my.. ;)

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speedsix:

Hi all

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Coume:

yeah, if you click on the tshirt you can see the full designs

[17:02:52]

speedsix:

Juski, just the man I need to pester. You use tv_grab_uk_rt don't you? What xmltvid do you have for More4. I have C1959.radiotimes.com but it seems to be wrong

[17:02:56]

laga:

Coume: how comes that if i click on a shirt, it shows a different price than in the listing? for example, that greyish "comfort T" on page 2.

[17:03:19]

Juski:

more4.channel4.com

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Coume:

laga, whoot?

[17:03:42]

laga:

Coume: yep.

[17:03:49]

laga:

Coume: 15.90 vs 18.90

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speedsix:

Juski, cheers, so why the hell does uk_rt_tv_grab --list-channels give me what I had??

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Juski:

speedsix: out of date channel_ids file. grab one from xmltv cvs

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laga:

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speedsix:

Juski, oklee doklee

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scopeuk:

xmltv isthe bain of my life

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scopeuk:

damn thing refuses flat out to run automaticaly

[17:05:56]

Coume:

laga, yeah :( because it needs a Vector logo. and the upload is 50EUR :/

[17:06:15]

Coume:

scopeuk, same here but never had time to investigate

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Dibblah:

scopeuk: tv_grab_uk_rt is buggered.

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laga:

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Dibblah:

You NEED to do --quiet.

[17:06:42]

laga:

Coume: but i thought you had already uploaded that logo?

[17:06:49]

scopeuk:

coume same i jsut run itas and when im out of data

[17:07:05]

Dibblah:

It does that stupid progress bar.

[17:07:19]

Dibblah:

Which requires to know the width of the terminal it's running in.

[17:07:43]

Dibblah:

... And that's not available when running from cron.

[17:07:43]

Coume:

laga, it is but it is free for PNGs which can work on white or grey. if it's a vector, you need to pay 50EUR per item...

[17:07:55]

laga:

Coume: now that's really shitty.

[17:08:14]

speedsix:

Juski, out of intrest what do you have for ITV4?

[17:08:24]

Coume:

Dibblah, OMG would have never figured out this one...

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scopeuk:

Dibblah im gonna play the retard for a short while where do i stick the --quiet option?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

I realize this isn't really a mythtv question, but I have this xvid avi file where the sound is all messed up when playing with Internal as well as with mplayer..In windows it works fine..Everytime someone speaks it's covered in 'screchy' noises

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Coume:

laga, pop in #mythtvtalk to not flood the channel with off-topic :)

[17:10:35]

Dibblah:

How are you running mythfilldatabase?

[17:11:43]

sponz:

if I have Svideo out plugged in, and try to start X, i get a fatal error "no screens found". How do I specify that I want X to display on Svideo out? Anyone?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

sponz: it depends on the graphicscard/driver

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sponz:

RaYmAn-Bx im running an ATI radeon 7500 with drivers from livna.org

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Dibblah:

Anyone using Sky UK (digibox / IR changer, etc) in here?

[17:13:36]

sponz:

RaYmAn-Bx i am guessing i have to change my xorg.conf file, but not sure what to change it to

[17:14:17]

sponz:

the svideo function out works fine, until I try to fire up xwindows, then it dies on me

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seme|Work:

when I go to rip a dvd I'm selecting ISO Image as the quality... does that mean it rips all tracks and the dvd menu?

[17:15:20]

RaYmAn-Bx:

sponz: yep.. It's usually a setting for the driver. google for it

[17:15:37]

sponz:

i've been looking. just not 100% sure what im looking for :P

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Dibblah:

Oooh. Lyngsat lists SIDs... This could present... Possibilities.

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seme|Work:

also what does the AC3 Audio option do when ripping dvd's

[17:16:29]

Dibblah:

ServiceID (from database, scan) -> Lyngsat Channel name -> Channel number...

[17:16:45]

Dibblah:

Automatic channel numbering for Sky UK :)

[17:19:04]

Varanger:

Have anyone noticed that Hauppauge prices have raised up to 20% ???

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ole_schoola:

hey gang, i'm looking to completely delete all tuner/capture cards and reset the incremental id's

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ole_schoola:

should i simply truncate capturecard and cardinput in the db?

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ole_schoola:

then readd cards, and mythfilldb?

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Juski:

itv4.itv.co.uk

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** Juski is now putting the towel radiator back up **

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** Dibblah just finished removing a section of heating pipe with an embedded nail. **

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Dibblah:

Damn plasterers.

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ole_schoola:

i recently found a cable installer had drilled through sill plate from outside and pirced an abandoned 1/2" metal conduit

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Dibblah:

Lucky. And determined. ;)

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ole_schoola:

he actually managed to thread the rg-6 cable through the hole in the conduit

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ole_schoola:

THIS is what i have to clean up after about 1/5 of my week

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ole_schoola:

worthless cable contractors

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Coume:

Dibblah, I only tried using the cron to run mythfilldatabase, which method are u using?

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janneg:

ole_schoola: "delete all cards" in mythtv-setup resets the id counter. not sure if that was added after release 0.19

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Dibblah:

You can run from cron or run from the backend itsself.

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ole_schoola:

doesn't seem to here, increments even after a delete

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ole_schoola:

running 19-fixes

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ole_schoola:

i'll try again to make sure

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Coume:

Dibblah, I did try from mythtv but won't work either. I will try the --quiet function :)

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Juski:

rad back on.. next step.. lino! then, finished!!!

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janneg:

ole_schoola: then it's probably only in trunk. delete the cards and reset the auto increment in mysql. "ALTER TABLE capturecard AUTO_INCREMENT = 1;"

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scopeuk:

ouch damn it --quiet is already being passed to my grabber

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Juski:

they keep messing with xmltv

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Juski:

I was putting my channels in on my spare box last night & had to enter 'no' for about a million channels

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scopeuk:

yeh xmltv is a nasty nasty piece of software

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scopeuk:

almost enough so to make me go without food to ptu a dvb tuner in there

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scopeuk:

jsut for eit

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Juski:

I much preferred the fuzzy searches

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ole_schoola:

janneg: thx, i was deleting them 1 by 1 in the past, i just did a delete all and the counter reset

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scopeuk:

Juski same

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Coume:

Juski aka Bob the Builder

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Juski:

don't talk to me about fscking bathrooms ;-)

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Coume:

:)

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Juski:

can we fuxx0r it? yes we can!

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ole_schoola:

Juski: tip for the day "righty tighty, lefty loosie"

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Juski:

lol

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Juski:

gonna use apt-get next time

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moemoe:

the knopmythwiki is somehow out of order

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scopeuk:

seams fine here

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qwarlock:

hey guys....any hints on how to get a channel scan?

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qwarlock:

when I am in the chennel scanning section it comes back blank

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ole_schoola:

can i use the same Video Input for both tuners of a PVR-500 or should i setup a new video source?

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ole_schoola:

sb/ ideo input?

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ole_schoola:

sb/video

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scopeuk:

oh well my xmltv config file has gone walkies apparently

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scopeuk:

so myth fill is nuked

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scopeuk:

is there honestly no better (none lucky notrth american) alternative we could use

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scopeuk:

if system==fubar shutdown -r now

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Coume:

scopeuk, let me try that in a cron ;)

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scopeuk:

:-P

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qwarlock:

hmmm how do I test that I am really getting data into my PVR card?

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qwarlock:

all the set up seems fine everything seems to go but no channel scan

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qwarlock:

and no TV

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seme|Work:

arggg... I just did a dvd iso rip and it says that the vob file is encrypted

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seme|Work:

:(

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scopeuk:

xine maby?

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Memphis:

hi

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Memphis:

any french to help me?

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Niklas_E:

Just wondoring if there is someone in sweden that tried to get tv6 channel in the programguide

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Hviid:

anybody who kan tell me the adress for a repository containing a mythtv Debian package...

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laga:

google for marillat's repository

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SirPageno:

dscoular, you around?

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Hviid:

I added deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main, but it comes with at signature verification error, and I can't seem to find any gpg key for the repository, on the page

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Coume:

Juski, I don't think that the Asus repair services fixed my eth on the Pundit...

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Mattwj2005:

well last night I broke down and reinstalled Knoppmyth :(

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laga:

i know. getting rid of knoppmyth is like quitting smoking

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** laga hides **

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Mattwj2005:

mythtv is just difficult to compile from source.....a lot of dependencies....it makes installing Asterisk a piece of cake

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Mattwj2005:

but thanks goodness for binary packages and Knoppmyth :)

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laga:

Hviid: http://www.debian-multimedia.org/faq.html

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laga:

Mattwj2005: apt-get build-dep mythtv. and compiling mythtv from source is a piece of cake :)

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Mattwj2005:

actually installing mythtv wasn't the bad part....installing the plugs is what caused me to say I give up

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Hviid:

thx laga

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Mattwj2005:

I did actually get mythtv up and running from source

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Mattwj2005:

hopefully someday it will be ./configure

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Mattwj2005:

make

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Mattwj2005:

make install :-P

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laga:

if you dont have the dependencies installed, it won't work :)

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Mattwj2005:

lol....good point

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Hviid:

laga I have now installed mythtv, but what is the default password for the mythtv user?

[19:05:46]

laga:

Hviid: i dont know if one exists.

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Mattwj2005:

I really do like MythTV though

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Hviid:

laga: It just said I had to login i X as the mythtv user, to run mythtv-setup

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laga:

try "mythtv". if that doesn't work, set a passwort via passwd

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Hviid:

tried, and okay :D

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Hviid:

laga: marillat's repository doesn't contain mythmusic?

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speedsix:

Hi all

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Hviid:

where can I get mythvideo and mythmusic as debian packages?

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SirPageno:

anybody in here gotten mythFM to work?

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djperegrine:

when I go to watch live tv it just quits back, mplayer /dev/video0 works great, the errors in the console I get are GetEntryat(-1) failed and EntryToProgram(Qbthu jan 1 00:00:00 1970) failed to get pginfo

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a1fa|64:

what version?

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djperegrine:

oh

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djperegrine:

I restarted the backend and it works now

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djperegrine:

wierd!

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djperegrine:

nm it works fine now

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Juski:

hi SirPageno. we talked about that last night I remember. It needs rewritten, in lots of people's opinion

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SirPageno:

i have to agree....

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Juski:

ideally to be more likely to be included as an official plugin

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SirPageno:

from what I've read, the developers want it rewritten with respect to the backend, so it can be scheduled and do the recording

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SirPageno:

just like liveTV

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Juski:

ugh – you mean it couldn't do scheduled recording?

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SirPageno:

no, it was developed from the frontend only

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SirPageno:

it could record, just not scheduled

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SirPageno:

(frankly, i never got it any sound from it)

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SirPageno:

i did get the UI to work...sortof

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ole_schoola:

crud, 0.19-fixes compile went south. something involving jsmenu.o in libmyth

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ole_schoola:

http://pastebin.ca/57730

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ole_schoola:

weird, took a look at my source tree, it's not in the libmyth directory

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ole_schoola:

also missing from TRAC, hrumph

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Memphis:

any french to help me?

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Memphis:

for mythvideo, i put my video file into /share/Movies/dvd with correct rights and mythtv dont find him

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braniff:

are there fedora core 5 packages available ?

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xris:

braniff: atrpms has had them for a long time

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braniff:

good

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braniff:

xris, i noticed mythweb was a summer of code project...have you had many applications yet?

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xris:

braniff: application deadline closed over a week ago

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xris:

and yes

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xris:

hopefully. my goal is to get the skin/template stuff all separated out.

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xris:

we got enough slots to do it in the first allocation. hopefully they won't take any away

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braniff:

i don't know whose idea it was to get mythtv in for summer of code, but it was a great idea.

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xris:

it was isaac. and we even missed the deadline by like 3 hours, but apparently people at google like mythtv

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braniff:

you dev guys are going to get some world-class talent for the summer i'm sure

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braniff:

0.20 should be smokin'

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xris:

I hope so

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xris:

I'm just happy that we got enough slots allocated to get quite a few projects done.

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xris:

hoping google won't take them away.

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xris:

laga: it's all your fault that now I'm going to get stuck maintaining yafc in fedora.

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braniff:

is there a fedora core 5 "from-the-ground-up" guide for mythtv somewhere?

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xris:

braniff: jarod's guide

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braniff:

well, it's fc4, but if it's the best, then that's what i'll use...

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xris:

ah. yeah, it's pretty much the same

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xris:

only diff is that some mythtv stuff at atrpms is in his testing repo instead of stable

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braniff:

hmm...will 'yum' work?

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scopeuk:

xris you guys honestly gonan push for the windows stuff?

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xris:

yeah, we got a good application for it

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braniff:

mythtv on windows seems sacreligious somehow ;-)

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scopeuk:

i know there is some stiff resistance too it

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scopeuk:

i could understand a proepr front end but full myth seams a little far

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scopeuk:

althoguh i spose drivers are more abundent

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xris:

braniff: frontend

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braniff:

oh

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scopeuk:

frontend whould be fantastic

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xris:

at least, the frontend is the main concern

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scopeuk:

for me any way

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scopeuk:

yeh

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braniff:

well...there is a mac frontend too

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scopeuk:

backend i could see being a major pita to the point of it being a fork

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scopeuk:

mac is fairly close to linux in its roots

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scopeuk:

unlike windows

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scopeuk:

be nice imho to ahve afront end on the major oses

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scopeuk:

id take a guess that ts moderate work (and likely someone elses problem) to get ymth running on *bsd

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braniff:

i bet

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metalac:

hey guys

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scopeuk:

yo

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metalac:

I'm having some issues with my sound

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metalac:

to be precise I get NO sound

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metalac:

I'm using alsa

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metalac:

have the right modules loaded, everything unmuted and up to about 70 in alsamixer

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metalac:

change input device from /dev/dsp to ALSA:default

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metalac:

and mixer from /dev/mixer to default

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metalac:

but still I get no sound when I watch TV

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metalac:

any idea how i can troubleshoot this?

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braniff:

are your cables hooked up correctly?

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scopeuk:

and is the sound output hardware switched on?

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Mattwj2005:

what do you mean?

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metalac:

yeah cables are right

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metalac:

i used the same inputs as for my dvd player

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metalac:

and i tried going to different soundcard ports also

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scopeuk:

what does who mean about what Mattwj2005?

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metalac:

I have a PVR-150

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metalac:

scopeuk: how do i turn on sound output hardware??

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scopeuk:

eg your speakers are on ?

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scopeuk:

have you tried something else that makes sound

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Mattwj2005:

nm....so what would cause cd play to be poor but the mp3 player to be fine? doesn't mp3 playback take more cpu usuage?

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scopeuk:

maby mplayer adn an mp3

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dscoular:

scopeuk, do you get sound from mplayer and xine and friends ?

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scopeuk:

yes if i play somethign with sound

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dscoular:

and did you get sound with /dev/dsp ?

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Mattwj2005:

the only thing I could think of is a crap cd player

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dscoular:

via myth

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metalac:

scopeuk: well i'll try to play something with sound next i just have to install some extra stuff

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scopeuk:

Mattwj2005 cdplayback (normaly but not always) goes directly to thew sound card from the drive

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Mattwj2005:

I must just have a crap drive :)

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braniff:

Mattwj2005, yeah a cable on the inside of your box runs from cdrom drive to soundcard

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scopeuk:

hwos it sound if you rip it then play it back?

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Mattwj2005:

I was thinking it digitally decoded it like windows does

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Mattwj2005:

is there anyway of testing it?

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Zider:

both windows and linux can play both digital and analog cd audio

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Mattwj2005:

how do I know which one it is doing?

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Mattwj2005:

is there a command?

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scopeuk:

hmm to see if its doign analog you could jsut disconect the wire

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scopeuk:

soudn stops/doesent come out its using the analog if it continues its using digital

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scopeuk:

id sugest shutdown and do it

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Mattwj2005:

lol....oops :-P I feel as bright as a candle ;)

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scopeuk:

but it depends on how patient you are

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xris:

scopeuk: you get my pm?

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scopeuk:

yeh i got your pm ;-)

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Mattwj2005:

anyone else the newest knoppmyth yet?

[21:51:23]

Mattwj2005:

it comes with a cool web cam function on the web site

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Hviid:

I'm also having problems with my sound, in mythmusic, when I try to play mp3's, nothing happens?

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scopeuk:

your not missing much

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scopeuk:

mythmusic is a lto clunky

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scopeuk:

Mattwj2005 im plannign on upgradign my box sometiem soon

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scopeuk:

althoguh its a major undertaking now ive put alot of other crap .. ahem i mean usefull applications on there

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Hviid:

lto clunky?

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scopeuk:

any way im of night guys

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scopeuk:

lot clunky

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Mattwj2005:

you know MythTV is a beautiful piece of software....it is hard to believe it is .19

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scopeuk:

its slow and nasty

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scopeuk:

myth has had alot of dev work

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scopeuk:

night guys

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Mattwj2005:

good night

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Mattwj2005:

but still for .19 it is doing quite well

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Hviid:

but why doesn't it play music :S missing package, I've set det sound to ALSA:default and /dev/mixer

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Mattwj2005:

I recommend Knoppmyth ;)

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Hviid:

but it is still based on mythtv?

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Mattwj2005:

true....but it is really easy

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Mattwj2005:

I tried compiling from source yesterday...it was crazy....but I didn't have it automatically download all the dependencies

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Hviid:

but I just don't understand why it doesn't play

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Mattwj2005:

hmmm

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Mattwj2005:

does this help any? http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-7.html#ss7.1

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Hviid:

I have been looking at it

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Hviid:

my alsa mixer works fine

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Hviid:

but mythmusic should do visualization to right, while playing?

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Mattwj2005:

if you hit 6....it should scroll through them if music is playing

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dscoular:

and 4 will toggle fullscreen

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Hviid:

what is the key for play

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dscoular:

enter

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Hviid:

dscoular nothing happens

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Hviid:

not even visualization

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dscoular:

and it lists your music ?

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Hviid:

yes

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NHD:

anyone got both a BT878 based card and IVTV working together?

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dscoular:

what about the P key ?

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NHD:

every time i try i end up with the whole machine crashing any time i try to record with either card

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Hviid:

dscoular: nothing happens

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Hviid:

I can see the visuala... themes changing upon hitting 6

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dscoular:

Is your music readable by the mythtv user ?

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Hviid:

yes, I can play music with Xmms

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dscoular:

if you click on a track and hit I or M does it read the track info ok ?

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Hviid:

hmm frooze

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Hviid:

2 sec

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dscoular:

sounds like permissions

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Hviid:

but they are 777 on music

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dscoular:

sorry no more time... maybe someone else can help Hviid

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Hviid:

dscoular but thanks for the help

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laga:

xris: hehe! i hope you like yafc. it's great, i think. but, do you also have problems with upload speed via sftp? it seems slower than just using the "sftp" tool

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xris:

laga: yeah, I tested it on my local network and it was quite slow, actually

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xris:

it calls sftp from the commandline so there must be some slowdown in the wrapper.. probably not reading large enough chunks of data and causing blocking.

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laga:

uh, yeah. :)

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laga:

xris: you gonna fix that? :)

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xris:

laga: no, just package it up

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laga:

ah, sad

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laga:

got

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laga:

ta complain to upstream then

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queuetue:

Hello. I'm trying to playback videos (no tv in this scenario) by running mythfrontend on a separate machine than the backend server. does the frontend client need physical access to the media it is playing, or does it get streamed by the backend server? (And, consequently, can the client be a very lightweight machine?)

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qwarlock:

hey guys

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qwarlock:

how do I switch to watch from the svideo instead of the Tuner?

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qwarlock:

anyone know?

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qwarlock:

(I FINALY got Myth working again! yeay!)

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jams:

qwarlock- if you already have the src setup then either y or c will switch inputs

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jams:

one switchs cards, the other switchs inputs. I forget which one is which

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qwarlock:

oh ok

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qwarlock:

so I set up a different source...this one is for my VCR though...wont it kill me on the "no channel" thing?

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jams:

yes, you would need to add at least one "fake" channel

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qwarlock:

any idea what I should set for the fake channel?

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qwarlock:

I am creating its own source

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qwarlock:

hmmmmm this does not seem to do it

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qwarlock:

anyone have a clue on this?

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qwarlock:

can I adjust frequency while I am actually watching?

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qwarlock:

then I can find what ever freq my VCR is trying to send the signal on

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Mattwj2005:

any of you guys have 5.1, 6.1, 7.1, etc soundcards in your frontends?

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Zider:

yeah

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Mattwj2005:

sweet...how is the linux support on that? does myth support it?

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Zider:

linux supports it just fine

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Zider:

dunno if mythtv itself supports more channels, since tv usually is stereo ;)

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Mattwj2005:

dang that was my question....I thought maybe it did some virtual 5.1 stuff

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Zider:

and it uses external player for dvd

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Zider:

you can get alsa to upmix stereo to 5.1 tho

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Mattwj2005:

what does the upmix do exactly?

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Zider:

I guess copy right channel to center, right front and right left.. and do similar to left channel..

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Mattwj2005:

oh okay cool

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SirPageno:

Mattwj2005, AC3 audio (i.e. 5.1) is just passed through the system and out of the sound card, from there your surround sound processor handles it

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SirPageno:

it's actually easier to handle AC3 then the PCM stuff, almost no processing required by linux

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Mattwj2005:

oh okay....I thought this was be cool little addition

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Mattwj2005:

sweet

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SirPageno:

you'll still need to send the S/PDIF (either optical or coax) to your surround sound processor 9SSP)

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Zider:

you could use a bunch of analog cables too.. but that's just.. wrong.. ;)

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Mattwj2005:

lol....actually I was just thinking analog ;)

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SirPageno:

most sound cards don't support the surround sound decoding

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SirPageno:

so there won't be analog outputs for FL,FR,FC,SL,SR, and LFE

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Mattwj2005:

I was thinking more the $30 solution instead of a $300 solution

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Zider:

SirPageno: you mean linux doesn't support doing it?

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SirPageno:

Zider, that's not what i meant

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Zider:

Mattwj2005: 5.1 cards with spdif are cheap

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Mattwj2005:

yeah shouldn't there be analog outs on 5.1 sound cards?

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SirPageno:

there are analog outs on 5.1 cards, but that's just plain ole stereo

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Mattwj2005:

yeah I saw one for like $30 I all ready have speakers

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Mattwj2005:

what about for the other channels?

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Zider:

SirPageno: so what did you mean?

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SirPageno:

Mattwj2005, ok, the SPDIF is a digital signal, that has all the channels on it,

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SirPageno:

it has to be decoded to produce the 6 analog channels

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SirPageno:

that is done by the SSP

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SirPageno:

I don't know if there are sound cards that do that, if there are, then I don't know if linux has drivers to support them

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Zider:

both my onboard audio does it

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SirPageno:

I _do_ know getting the digital data out on the SPDIF is very easy

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Dibblah:

Nforce2.

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Dibblah:

Under Windows.

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Zider:

intel

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Dibblah:

Growf.

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Mattwj2005:

hmm

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Zider:

ICH5 and 6 I believe it is

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SirPageno:

besides, it will probably be higher quality keeping it digital until it hits your SSP anyway

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Zider:

SSP?

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SirPageno:

surrond sound processoer

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Zider:

ah

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Mattwj2005:

all I am looking for is a cheap soundcard with analog outs for each of the channels....so I can hook up two speakers per connector

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Zider:

well, both mine can output 5.1 thru analog outs.. so I guessed most cards could.. :P

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Mattwj2005:

sounds good Zider :)

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Mattwj2005:

hey any of you guys know how to set linux up to just pass the cd audio instead of trying to decode the cd digitally?

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Zider:

no, it doesn't.. it's analog ;)

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Mattwj2005:

hahah :-P

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Zider:

Mattwj2005: if it's difital it's NOT decoded

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Zider:

digital

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Zider:

that's the whole idea

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Mattwj2005:

I unplugged my connector to my sound card and the cd audio still plays badly

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Zider:

define "badly"

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Mattwj2005:

plays a little bit stops....plays a little bit stops

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Zider:

plays at correct speed or too fast?

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Mattwj2005:

almost like it is skipping

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Mattwj2005:

yeah

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Zider:

well which one? :P

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Mattwj2005:

which cd?

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Zider:

no

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Zider:

correct speed or too fast?

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Mattwj2005:

ooh it plays at the correct speed

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Zider:

k

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Mattwj2005:

I don't think it is copy protection issues or anything

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Mattwj2005:

it is the cd for Saturday Fever

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Zider:

does it play correctly outside mythtv?

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Mattwj2005:

it plays fine on my other computer....how would I play it outside of myth on that computer?

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Zider:

with another cd player program

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Mattwj2005:

are there any command line ones available?

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Zider:

I'm sure there are.. but I don't know of any

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SirPageno:

hey dscoular` i figured out my PIP aspect ratio problem

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dscoular`:

Excellent, what was it ?

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