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Krazylegz:

!trout kormoc

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** MythLogBot slaps kormoc with a trout on behalf of Krazylegz... **

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** kormoc cowers **

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Krazylegz:

Muahahahaha.

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Krazylegz:

Hey, I figured out what the latest stable of MythTV is too. Sweet. Thanks kormoc. :-)

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kormoc:

your quite welcome, Sir Trout Overlord of the lug

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Krazylegz:

kormoc: Is the new guy in here too?

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kormoc:

nope

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Krazylegz:

The new minion?

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Krazylegz:

Hmm.

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Krazylegz:

Well, I'll get xris anyway.

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Krazylegz:

!trout xris

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Krazylegz:

Hey xris!

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Krazylegz:

Okay, I'll be back when I get more free time, so I can do a new install of MythTV on Gentoo, and take a look at MythWeb. I'll bring more trout.

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Mattwj2005:

am I the new guy?

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Mattwj2005:

because I am new to MythTV ;)

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** LLyric watches some of the cool things that myth has recorded for me over the last couple of weeks. **

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LLyric:

MythTV rules :)

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Mattwj2005:

I hear you....I have about a weeks worth of recording on mine right now :-P

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** LLyric needs more disk, but needs to sell his other house before wifey will let me buy a digital tuner, more disk, etc **

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LLyric:

:)

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Mattwj2005:

you have two houses? you shouldn't need to wait! ;)

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LLyric:

Mattwj2005: heheh, that's what I said!

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Vantage13_:

i'm watching live tv through my pvr-150 right now w/mythtv and occasionally it drops frames and skips to catch up. any idea what the limiting factor of performance might be? i've got another system with a pvr-250 in it that doesn't have this problem.

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Vantage13_:

the system with a problem is a Celeron(R) CPU 2.66GHz w/ 512MB ram

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Vantage13_:

the working system is a Athlon(tm) XP 2000+ w/ 768MB of ram

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dscoular:

Is the signal for the pvr-150 as good as the 250s ?

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Vantage13_:

however the other system isn't touching swap, so I can't see it being ram...

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Vantage13_:

seems to be

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Vantage13_:

just straight coax into the card

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dscoular:

how about swapping the coax ?

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dscoular:

see if the problem migrates

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Vantage13_:

is that often what the problem is?

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Sedorox:

*coughs* celerons suck *coughs*

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Sedorox:

O:-)

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dscoular:

You have enough CPU and memory methinks

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Vantage13_:

Sedorox: it's still more powerful than the other system

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Sedorox:

uhh

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Sedorox:

not really

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Sedorox:

in my experience

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Zider:

Vantage13_: what video card?

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dscoular:

or try swapping the cards and see if the problem migrates

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Vantage13_:

dscoular: it's also a sata hd in the newer system (the older is ide)

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Sedorox:

take celeron speed, devide in half.. and thats approx speed on PIII side

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Vantage13_:

Zider: nvidia on the working, ati on the new one (pundit-r)

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LLyric:

It's most likely DMA on your disk that's the problem

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Vantage13_:

Sedorox: even if you do cut the speed in half it's about the same as my old one :)

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Sedorox:

:p

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Zider:

I had skips on my system until I switched to a properly supported video card

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LLyric:

I can do mythtv on my 600Mhz box, with a pvr-350, at about 10% cpu

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Sedorox:

I'm just saying...

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Vantage13_:

llryic: i was thinking it might be something like that, but hdparm does show dma enabled

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Vantage13_:

hrmm so possibly the coax, possibly the video card, and possibly dma

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LLyric:

Using binary drivers?

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LLyric:

(for the video card)

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Vantage13_:

LLyric: fglrx, yeah

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LLyric:

Not a single one of my machines is >1Ghz, so you should be fine!

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Vantage13_:

whoa

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Vantage13_:

dma definitely seems to be a problem

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LLyric:

Very common

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Vantage13_:

new system: Timing cached reads: 928 MB in 2.00 seconds = 463.84 MB/sec

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Vantage13_:

Timing buffered disk reads: 36 MB in 3.08 seconds = 11.67 MB/sec

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Vantage13_:

current system

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Vantage13_:

Timing cached reads: 1320 MB in 2.00 seconds = 659.77 MB/sec

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Vantage13_:

Timing buffered disk reads: 170 MB in 3.00 seconds = 56.60 MB/sec

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Vantage13_:

that's a big difference...

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LLyric:

yeah, the first system is bad

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LLyric:

Even my shitty 800Mhz EPIA (equiv to maybe 500Mhz p3) does 20MB/s from the crappy/40-pin IDE

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Vantage13_:

and here I thought sata would be better :)

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Vantage13_:

any idea how to tweak that?

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LLyric:

It's the driver, very very common problem

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LLyric:

Google for it. Something about disabling atapi or libata or something

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LLyric:

http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problems_with_S . . . em_hard_disk

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a1fa|64:

hey

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a1fa|64:

which table contains

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a1fa|64:

mythtv-setup

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a1fa|64:

options?

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Vantage13_:

llric: hrmm but hdparm does show dma enabled

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a1fa|64:

i am trying to find out

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a1fa|64:

what zap2it username am I using

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dscoular:

maybe the settings table

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a1fa|64:

its not

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AngryElf:

can mythmusic play playlists that were created in other programs?

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a1fa|64:

what table contains what zap2it username am I using

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dscoular:

is it definately in the database and not in ~/.mythtv perhaps ?

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a1fa|64:

yes

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a1fa|64:

its in the database

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dscoular:

We don't have zap2it down here... but I'll have a quick look in case there's anything obvious in the db

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a1fa|64:

yeah man

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a1fa|64:

i am sorting it everywhere

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a1fa|64:

i cant find it

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dscoular:

looking through the source

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dscoular:

datadirect.cpp

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dscoular:

recgrouppassword

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dscoular:

oh... no

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dscoular:

maybe not

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a1fa|64:

that aint it

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a1fa|64:

:*(

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Juski:

DataDirectMessage ?

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dscoular:

Hmm, I can't find where setPassword is being called

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dscoular:

Juski, sounds right

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Juski:

maybe look in the videosource table

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a1fa|64:

yes

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a1fa|64:

its there

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a1fa|64:

ah finally

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dscoular:

spug libmythtv # vi datadirect.h

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dscoular:

spug libmythtv # grep setPassword *cpp

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dscoular:

videosource.cpp: ddp.setPassword(pwd);

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dscoular:

finally

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a1fa|64:

Juski: how about a windows wizard for configuration of mythtv backend

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a1fa|64:

:)

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a1fa|64:

you load up mythtv-backend

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a1fa|64:

and then you use the wizard to set it up

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a1fa|64:

remotely

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dscoular:

isn't it called vnc ;)

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Juski:

like it's not easy enough. sheesh

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a1fa|64:

dscoular: vnc sucks

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a1fa|64:

:)

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dscoular:

a1fa|64, yeah I don't use it... I use x2x (planning to move to synergy)

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a1fa|64:

my dvd burner isn't working so well

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a1fa|64:

yeah

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a1fa|64:

dude

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a1fa|64:

synergy rocks

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a1fa|64:

the only bad side

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a1fa|64:

is that it's unencrypted

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a1fa|64:

so your keystrokes and mouse are sent unencrypted

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dscoular:

On my home wireless I don't really care

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a1fa|64:

i use synergy @ work

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dscoular:

ah

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a1fa|64:

i tunel it through ssh

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a1fa|64:

neat stuff

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dscoular:

yeah ssh tunnels get the job done

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AngryElf:

when i make install mythplugins does it copy the config file somewhere so i can use it again?

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dscoular:

Not sure... It looks like configure generates config.pro which is then used by qmake to generate the subdirectories Makefiles.

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MrEntropy:

yo

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MrEntropy:

i'm trying to set up a tty for autologin, with mingetty. however it still prompts me for a password. i'm doing exactly as in the wiki, any ideas why?

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MrEntropy:

as in "c7:12345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty --autologin=mrentropy tty7"

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a1fa|64:

mrentropy has password?

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MrEntropy:

a1fa: yep...but isn't that the point of autologin, not to prompt you

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a1fa|64:

no

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MrEntropy:

a1fa: ok, so is there any way to not ask for a password even though the user has one?

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a1fa|64:

ok

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a1fa|64:

hold on

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a1fa|64:

try

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a1fa|64:

--autologin mrentropy

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a1fa|64:

no =

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a1fa|64:

"When the autologin option is supplied, mingetty will check that the controlling terminal is the console (normally /dev/tty1), that a reasonable username has been supplied, and that this is the first autologin request since the system has booted. If all of these conditions have been met, a request for an unauthenticated login is passed to the login program. Otherwise, a normal interactive login is performed.

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MrEntropy:

a1fa: already tried that

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a1fa|64:

there

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a1fa|64:

it needs to happen on boot

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a1fa|64:

otherwise it wont happen

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a1fa|64:

"Only a single autologin request will be issued after a system boot. If the automated login request is denied, or if the user logs out, mingetty will revert to performing normal interac- tive logins for all subsequent login requests.

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MrEntropy:

a1fa: but this line is executed on boot through my inittab

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a1fa|64:

yes

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a1fa|64:

what is your point?

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MrEntropy:

a1fa: how can i not prompt for a password, just log it in?

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a1fa|64:

also, remove c7

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a1fa|64:

i just told you

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a1fa|64:

remove c7

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a1fa|64:

--autologin mrentropy

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a1fa|64:

and reboot

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MrEntropy:

a1fa: i thought all actions in inittab need an id field though, is that wrong?

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dscoular:

I don't think a1fa is right about removing the c7

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MrEntropy:

i don't think so either, i also don't see how it would help

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dscoular:

I didn't use minigetty I used kdm to autologin... but I suspect you may be trying to minimise resource use and avoid kde by using minigetty

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MrEntropy:

dscoular: precisely

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dscoular:

Can't seem to find decent docs on minigetty

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MrEntropy:

dscoular: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frontend_Auto_Login <-- this is the best i got

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dscoular:

checking

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MrEntropy:

dscoular: did exactly what it says, still asks me for a pass

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a1fa|64:

MrEntropy: why dont you use xinit

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a1fa|64:

su mythtv -c xinit...

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a1fa|64:

dude

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a1fa|64:

i just told you

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a1fa|64:

it wont respawn

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MrEntropy:

a1fa: i really don't understand your solution, because so far i've tried all that

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a1fa|64:

did you reboot?

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MrEntropy:

yes

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a1fa|64:

and it didn't autolog you

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a1fa|64:

did you remove c?

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MrEntropy:

a1fa: it didn't autolog me in. it still asks for a password. i didn't remove the c7 because i don't think that makes a valid inittab

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a1fa|64:

yes it does

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a1fa|64:

and it is going to be console7

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dscoular:

from man inittab: id:runlevels:action:process

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MrEntropy:

a1fa: but how will removing it make mingetty work?

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a1fa|64:

cos there is no such thing as c7

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MrEntropy:

a1fa: it's just an id, it can be anything

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dscoular:

id is a unique sequence of 1–4 characters which identifies an

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dscoular:

entry in inittab (for versions of sysvinit compiled with the

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dscoular:

old libc5 (< 5.2.18) or a.out libraries the limit is 2 charac-

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dscoular:

ters).

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dscoular:

it has to be present though

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a1fa|64:

ok

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a1fa|64:

why dont you replace your console 6

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a1fa|64:

with 6:123456:respawn

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a1fa|64:

ls -al /sbin/mingetty

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a1fa|64:

do this first

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a1fa|64:

ls -al /sbin/mingetty

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MrEntropy:

a1fa: it's there dood, it's executable, i'm not a total noob

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a1fa|64:

ok dude

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a1fa|64:

check its premissions

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a1fa|64:

then check auth.log

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a1fa|64:

tail -f /var/log/auth.log

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a1fa|64:

paste into pastebin

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dscoular:

did you try it without the = character ?

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MrEntropy:

dscoular: sure did

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MrEntropy:

a1fa: this sys doesn't keep an auth.log

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fatmatt:

does thois help? I used to use something like this before I started to use the xdm autologin stuff "http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/3121"

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dscoular:

autologin uses "login -f" which according to the login man page doesn't behave well on linux (whatever that means).

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dscoular:

Why not just use su mythtv -c "startx" or somesuch magic in your startup scripts in /etc/init.d ?

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dscoular:

set the default runlevel to 3 instead of 5

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s3cur17y:

I have a question, how clear is your guy display mythtv on your TV?

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a1fa|64:

clear

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a1fa|64:

crispy clear

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a1fa|64:

on my 52" plasma

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a1fa|64:

via dmi

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fatmatt:

guy=gui ?? mines good

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fatmatt:

ooh 52" plasma, nice

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a1fa|64:

MrEntropy: did you replace 6:?

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a1fa|64:

fatmatt: i was only kidding

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a1fa|64:

i have a 19" tv

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a1fa|64:

Magnavox with front rca input

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a1fa|64:

from college days

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fatmatt:

I've got plans for a big screen tv one day... just a 60cm CRT at the moment..

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a1fa|64:

$99 from walmart

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a1fa|64:

i want to upgrade to big tv screen, but cant afford it

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a1fa|64:

i bought me a new bike

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a1fa|64:

;)

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a1fa|64:

i dont watch tv that much to need it

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fatmatt:

I could afford it... if I didn't eat, breathe or drink for a few months

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Mattwj2005:

I just found out that I can even change the channel using my wireless keyboard in the shower....the most distance place from the receiver in the house

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a1fa|64:

good

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a1fa|64:

so now you can sit on the toilet

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a1fa|64:

jack off

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a1fa|64:

and fast forward your porn

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Mattwj2005:

geez dude :P

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Mattwj2005:

my point was that I get good range is all

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Zider:

hehe "this is a hypnotic sign. when you read this you will fall asleep and then wake up knowing that the broadcast starts at 8:30"

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Zider:

some channels have humor

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eiggirC:

Hey all. I got a box with two bt878 cards, and its giving me some unknown stuff when the bttv module loads. Have I got the wrong hardware ? http://pastebin.com/727670

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LLyric:

eiggirC: nah, it just looks like it couldn't find a particular name-brand bt878

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LLyric:

Just see how it works.

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eiggirC:

LLyric: cheers dude

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eiggirC:

LLyric: I'm worried cos this machine smells weird

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LLyric:

Probably something overheating

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eiggirC:

its from an auction... and has a layer of crusty brown stuff in the bttom of the case that smells kind-of sweet

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eiggirC:

no – I think its been in a flood

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LLyric:

Coke?

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LLyric:

Ick

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LLyric:

You should clean it

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eiggirC:

I;d guess that its very runny chocolate

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LLyric:

How's your PC skills?

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eiggirC:

LLyric: I'm going to reuse the two BT cards and thats all :)

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eiggirC:

I don't trust electronics that smell of food

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LLyric:

The cards are probably fine.

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LLyric:

Is the whole pc effected, or just the case?

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eiggirC:

yeah 0 they were above the tide-mark

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LLyric:

You could just clean it properly

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eiggirC:

theres a tide-mark on the motherboard.

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LLyric:

Hmm, I hope you didn't pay a lot of money for it :)

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eiggirC:

LLyric: for a celeron 600 ? maybe if I get bored :)

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eiggirC:

well, it came with 10 cameras

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LLyric:

It's probably fanless, though, right? Could make a nice quiet frontend

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eiggirC:

lenses and mounts and PSUs etc

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eiggirC:

no – it sounds like death's drag-racer

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LLyric:

Ahh, fsckit then

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eiggirC:

yeah

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LLyric:

Not worth the hassle :)

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eiggirC:

the cards and cameras are worth the $400 NZ

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LLyric:

Good good

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LLyric:

Pity there's no free-to-air digital in NZ, yet

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eiggirC:

I'll use them for sure :)

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Mattwj2005:

just to let everyone know....a new version of Knoppmyth came out

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LLyric:

Get More Disk :)

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eiggirC:

LLyric: 3x36 Gb now – no room for more.

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Mattwj2005:

it came out yesterday

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eiggirC:

Mattwj2005: cheers – thanks for that. I must give knoppmyth a try someday

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Mattwj2005:

if nothing else it is good for a frontend since you download need a hard drive for frontends :)

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LLyric:

eiggirC: 36 is too small these days, but I guess they're cheap

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Mattwj2005:

I know a lot of you guys compile from source

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eiggirC:

LLyric: free :)

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MrEntropy:

a1fa, dscoular: after trolling through a lot of source code and man page i found it. /bin/login has a config file /etc/login.defs in which option "NO_PASSWORD_CONSOLE" must be specified followed by a list of ttys.

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MrNeutron:

My MythMusic has begun playing all my songs (FLAC and MP3) at ~60x normal speed! Any ideas what might be broken?

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mythica:

hi guys

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mythica:

I was fiddling with the audio sampling rates in the livetv profile

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mythica:

and i set it to 48000

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mythica:

but now i cant set it back to 32000 ?

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mythica:

and 48000 doent work with my sound card

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mythica:

anyone ?

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LLyric:

change it directly in the DB?

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mythica:

ye but where?

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LLyric:

presumably in the settings table, have a look around

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mythica:

k

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mythica:

busy installing apache so i can get in via phpmyadmin

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LLyric:

It's in table recordingprofiles

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LLyric:

Hmm

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LLyric:

no

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Mattwj2005:

well guys I think I am going to break down and build a mythtv box from source....I want to use debian

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Mattwj2005:

any advice?

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LLyric:

read lots of docs :)

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LLyric:

mythica: it's in codecparams, with name=samplerate

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mythica:

thanks

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Mattwj2005:

pretty much just reading through the offical document should be enough, right?

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** LLyric shrugs. I use binary packages, haven't really built from source, except as part of RPM build **

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Mattwj2005:

hey did you guys see that this site is down?

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Mattwj2005:

http://debian.video.free.fr/

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Mattwj2005:

that is the offical site for the debian packages

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Mattwj2005:

the link of www.mythtv.org points to this address

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** dscoular prefers source **

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Mattwj2005:

dscoular....what distro do you use?

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dscoular:

for 0.19 use get the latest 0.19-fixes from svn

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dscoular:

It really doesn't matter as long as you have the required libraries since I use the source.

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dscoular:

I have a mix of gentoo and fedora.

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Mattwj2005:

okay

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Mattwj2005:

I am thinking debian

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dscoular:

As I said, I don't really care which distro I find I'm on.

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dscoular:

Since the source uses config it generally indicates whether you have all the requirements.

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** dscoular thinks warmly of Larry Wall for giving us configure **

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Mattwj2005:

dscoular what do you use for reference to installing mythtv? just the offical document?

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dscoular:

Erm... I just run configure --help

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dscoular:

choose the options I want enabled that aren't by default

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dscoular:

then do the configure followed by qmake then make -j<N>

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dscoular:

the make install

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dscoular:

I've been installing stuff from source for a long long time.

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dscoular:

It might not suit everyone

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Mattwj2005:

I have too...but mythtv has a lot of dependencies

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dscoular:

If you can get by with the binaries then thats fine... but I have DVB-T issues hence I need the latest 0.19-fixes from svn

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dscoular:

I'll happily try and get you through either type of installation.

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Mattwj2005:

I enjoy a good challenge....just collecting a little info before I try

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Mattwj2005:

:)

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dscoular:

Good luck

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Mattwj2005:

thanks...at worse....I'll just re-install Knoppmyth

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Mattwj2005:

thanks for the info...time for bed

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mythica:

can someone please help me

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mythica:

i dont know how to increase the subtitle size in xine

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mythica:

it does nothing if i change the size from tiny > huge

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LLyric:

it'll be a xine setting, not mythtv, I guess

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mythica:

yeah

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mythica:

i am looking in xine

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mythica:

under setup > subtitles

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mythica:

so frustrating... why does it just do nothing

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** LLyric shrugs **

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mythica:

that mmust be for .srt subtitiles

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mythica:

not built in dvd subtitles

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dscoular:

You want ~/.xine/config

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dscoular:

Specifically, the line subtitles.separate.subtitle_size:large

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dscoular:

medium or small I suspect being other options

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AlefBet:

I'm upgrading myth ivtv driver from 0.4.0-r3 to 0.4.2 (gentoo). Is there anything I should make sure to do? Or a webpage that serves as an upgrade guide?

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AlefBet:

I tried upgrading a while ago and something went wrong so I downgraded, but I may have just done something stupid.

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dscoular:

I usually make a backup of /lib/modules/`uname -r` just so I can revert back should something go pear shaped.

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AlefBet:

When I tried it before, removing ivtv from package.keywords and updating made it downgrade pretty painlessly, so hopefully if this doesn't work, going back won't be a major issue.

[07:25:40]

AlefBet:

But I'm hoping this will work. I have one of the Hauppauge cards that can't tune above channel 55 with the old driver.

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dscoular:

k, good luck

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AlefBet:

Thanks.

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dscoular:

mythica, you can choose from tiny, small, normal, large, very large, huge

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AlefBet:

It worked!

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AlefBet:

I think I probably forgot to associate the video device with the tuner in mythsetup when I tried it before.

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dscoular:

AlefBet, good work

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AlefBet:

Thank you.

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AlefBet:

When upgrading mythtv from 0.18.1 to 0.19, will it upgrade the database structure for my existing mythconverg database, or do I have to set up a new database and feed my old data into it? (I'm upgrading using Portage, BTW.)

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Agrajag-:

it'll do it for you

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Agrajag-:

backup before you run myth* though

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AlefBet:

Yeah. Backup done. Thanks.

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AlefBet:

I've just upgraded from 0.18.1 to 0.19 and I'm having some problems. Can anyone help me troubleshoot them?

[09:27:26]

AlefBet:

I can watch live TV, and I can schedule recordings. But when I schedule a program to be recorded and then try to watch it, it says "the file for this recording can not be found."

[09:27:43]

AlefBet:

I can see in the directory where recordings are stored that there are some new .mpg files.

[09:27:56]

AlefBet:

And I know they're new partly because 0.18.1 gave them .nuv extensions.

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AlefBet:

But 0.19 is giving them .mpg extensions, which I recall reading was a new feature.

[09:28:59]

AlefBet:

It's not a problem with watching recordings, though. When I select another recording, I can watch that okay.

[09:29:40]

AlefBet:

Hmm. Although, this is a problem.

[09:29:59]

AlefBet:

When I press escape, to stop watching an old recording, it freezes the front end.

[09:30:34]

AlefBet:

I guess I'll downgrade to 0.18.1 again and try 0.19 later, when there's a more thorough migration guide.

[09:31:10]

dscoular:

Is it 0.19-fixes svn ?

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AlefBet:

It's whatever 0.19 that's in portage for Gentoo right now.

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dscoular:

it's not too good methinks

[09:32:06]

dscoular:

let me check my portage...

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AlefBet:

The version eix gives for it is mythtv 0.19_p9163-r1.

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dscoular:

Yeah we're at 9947

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dscoular:

that's ancient

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AlefBet:

So I should probably stick with 18.1 for a while since I'm having issues and try again later?

[09:33:13]

AlefBet:

Good thing I backed up my database like everyone says to.

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dscoular:

Well... 0.18.1 was super stable. Depends what you are looking for.

[09:33:35]

AlefBet:

(I didn't last time I tried, and was fortunate to have happened to have a two day old dump.)

[09:33:59]

AlefBet:

Well, I don't mind little things here and there not working just right, but it looks like right now I can't record.

[09:34:06]

AlefBet:

That's a big feature, IMO.

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dscoular:

You need to use the latest svn 0.19-fixes.

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AlefBet:

I think that's more work with code than I trust myself with. I'd best wait for it to go into portage.

[09:35:22]

dscoular:

you know best

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dscoular:

0.18.1 was a very good release IMHO

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AlefBet:

Yeah, I know what it's like when I want someone to try something out that I think will be great and they're a bit too gunshy for it.

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dscoular:

I think I may have stayes with 0.18.1 if I'd known how problematic the initial 0.19 release and DVB-T was gonna be.

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AlefBet:

What is DVB-T?

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dscoular:

But I've kinda had fun tracking down some of the DVB-T tuning issues

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dscoular:

Digital Video Broadcasting – Terrestrial

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AlefBet:

Mmm.

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dscoular:

Big in the UK, Europe and Australia

[09:38:24]

dscoular:

I think the US is just starting to get a few broadcasters.

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AlefBet:

When it comes to MythTV, I'm strictly an end-user and lay-troubleshooter.

[09:38:41]

dscoular:

I think the US is more cable centric.

[09:38:49]

AlefBet:

My OSS contributions mostly go towards the game DROD.

[09:39:03]

dscoular:

ooh... I'll google for it

[09:39:14]

AlefBet:

I have cable here, although my parents' myth box is connected to an antenna.

[09:39:27]

dscoular:

is it windoze only

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AlefBet:

DROD is IMHO (as one of the devs) the best puzzle game ever made, if you don't need flashy graphics.

[09:40:04]

AlefBet:

The graphics are about SNES level and tile-based, although a lot of little touches have gone into them.

[09:40:19]

AlefBet:

It's a puzzle game, but plays like a dungeon crawler.

[09:40:36]

AlefBet:

Anyway, had to jump at the opportunity to give a plug for DROD.

[09:40:49]

AlefBet:

It's Windows, Linux, and Mac.

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dscoular:

Looks slick... I'm afraid I don't really play games... got too addicted to rogue back in the day

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AlefBet:

BSD is being ported now.

[09:41:18]

AlefBet:

Yeah, for similar reasons I insist on only playing games on game consoles.

[09:41:25]

AlefBet:

With the exception of DROD since I help make it.

[09:41:39]

dscoular:

Is it C or C++ ?

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AlefBet:

C++

[09:42:30]

dscoular:

Then you shouldn't be too uncomfortable with mythtv

[09:42:44]

dscoular:

The 3D screenshots look great

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AlefBet:

So, back on topic (at least briefly), I should be able to downgrade, drop my mythconverg database, and dump my backup back into mysql and be mostly good to go, right?

[09:43:01]

AlefBet:

Thank you.

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dscoular:

yep

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AlefBet:

I've really liked Myth for the five months I've had it.

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dscoular:

Yeah... I've been running it for 2 years and I can't imagine watching TV without it now... I haven't seen ads for a long, long time... it's great.

[09:44:39]

AlefBet:

The commercial skipping is great, but what really sells me is when I have time to watch TV, I never have to settle for "what's on."

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dscoular:

I know... I come home from work and there's only good tv to watch!

[09:45:50]

dscoular:

It's probably made me even more of a couch potato if anything... thats the down side

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AlefBet:

Quick question. The default for my MySQL is now utf-8. Do you know how I can create mythconverg so it uses latin-1?

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dscoular:

Why bother utf-8 is a superset of latin-1

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AlefBet:

I've heard that the database has problems with keys being too long with utf-8 encodings.

[09:47:11]

dscoular:

I'd worry about it if the problems bites you

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AlefBet:

There are warnings on the MythTV installation guides saying make sure you don't use utf-8. If they're outdated, I'm tickled. Do you know if it's still a problem?

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dscoular:

sorry... no idea.

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AlefBet:

K.

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AlefBet:

Maybe I'll google a bit and see if you can specify the character set for a database.

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dscoular:

what version of mysql ?

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dscoular:

my advice: if ain't broke don't fix it

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AlefBet:

4.1.19.

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AlefBet:

Well, I just know that when I set up my Myth box, MySQL was configured for Latin-1 and it has since been reconfigured for utf-8 through upgrades.

[09:49:46]

dscoular:

Yeah, I'm on 4.0.24 pre utf-8 methinks.

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AlefBet:

So I'm afraid after dropping my mythconverg, the new one will have the problems people warned about whereas the old one was probably "grandfathered" into latin-1.

[09:50:02]

dscoular:

Ah...

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dscoular:

I just do /etc/init.d/mysql stop

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dscoular:

tar jcvf /somewhere/backup.tbz2 /var/lib/mysql/mythconverg

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dscoular:

then I install mythtv version X somewhere, run, test

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AlefBet:

Hmm. This looks promising:

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AlefBet:

CREATE DATABASE mythconverg CHARACTER SET latin1;

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dscoular:

then when it blows up

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dscoular:

I just stop mysql again and untar the backup

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dscoular:

Saves me having to deal with mysql ddl

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AlefBet:

That might have been a good idea if I'd done it before launching 0.19.

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AlefBet:

Now I'll have to go with my sql dumps.

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dscoular:

:)

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teprrr:

good evening, anyone happen to know any good cutting program and a program with ability to transcode/encode mpeg2 file easily?

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AlefBet:

I'm afraid I don't know. My Hauppauge card encodes to MPEG2 already, and I'm still working on finding the time to research video editing programs.

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dscoular:

projectx is supposed to be good. Cinerella (sp?) is full professional level editing. both are hard to sus out

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dscoular:

I use mythtv to edit out the ads then nuvexport or mythburn to make divx or dvds

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dscoular:

Depends if you want nice transitions or not

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AlefBet:

projectx is in portage (although it's testing-masked). Is cinderella in there somewhere?

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dscoular:

http://heroinewarrior.com/cinelerra.php3

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dscoular:

It's a serious professional level app... but very difficult to learn IMHO

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AlefBet:

Aha. It's in portage under cinelerra-cvs

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AlefBet:

Didn't notice the transposing of "L" and "R" in the name.

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dscoular:

Real video editing tends not to want compression apparently

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teprrr:

AlefBet, I mean encoding from mpeg2 to something better for archiving like xvid/divx :)

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dscoular:

that's why I had (sp?) after it coz I couldn't remember the spelling.

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AlefBet:

Ah.

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dscoular:

nuvexport

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dscoular:

there's also kino (i think)

[10:00:43]

dscoular:

In fact there are loads... just not sure which are good.

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dscoular:

avidemux2 is supposed to be good too.

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dscoular:

On windoze you can download M$ free one which is actually pretty good

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AlefBet:

nuvexport is in portage, but masked. kino is in portage stable.

[10:03:04]

dscoular:

You really want nuvexport if you use mythtv

[10:03:19]

dscoular:

Although in the future mytharchive is rumoured to replace it

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AlefBet:

All right, I'll unmask and install it. It will work fine with 0.18.1 (even the latest version), right?

[10:04:31]

dscoular:

Hmm, no idea

[10:04:37]

dscoular:

sorry

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AlefBet:

Well, a quick emerge will soon answer whether there's a dependency issue.

[10:06:58]

dscoular:

gotta love portage (when it works ;)

[10:07:18]

AlefBet:

Yeah, portage is a learning experience.

[10:07:29]

AlefBet:

But the feeling of power goes to my head.

[10:07:39]

AlefBet:

And I like it :P.

[10:08:04]

dscoular:

Yeah, I definitely feel like its the distro for UNIX snobs (like me)

[10:09:47]

AlefBet:

Hmm. Cinelerra seems to want to pull in a bunch of masked libraries. I think I'll try the others.

[10:10:09]

AlefBet:

I guess that's not surprising for a project tagged with "-cvs".

[10:11:47]

dscoular:

Yeah, I think you have to devote some real time to cinelerra as a user too

[10:11:49]

AlefBet:

The binary downloads at their website might be fine, though. (Unfortunately, I'm a bit of a Portage Bigot.)

[10:12:11]

AlefBet:

Okay. Cinelerra might be a project for later.

[10:12:31]

dscoular:

I understand, I tend to be a bit of a "use the source, luke" advocate.

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teprrr:

hmm, avidemux looks nice

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dscoular:

I still like the combination of mythtv's editor and nuvexport or mythburn

[10:19:37]

AlefBet:

Is there a simple walkthrough on using the mythtv editor? Maybe it's on mythtv.org, and I haven't dug enough yet?

[10:20:09]

dscoular:

Just hit the menu key on a recording and go into "Edit recording"

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dscoular:

Then hit the up key to change the skip time and the right and left to skip forward and back by your chosen skip time.

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AlefBet:

Now I will sound stupid, but what is the menu key again?

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dscoular:

"M" I think I have a remote with a menu button

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AlefBet:

I'm afraid I've sunk into the habits of using certain features over and over and forgetting about the others.

[10:21:50]

AlefBet:

K. I'll take a look.

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dscoular:

Once you get to the ads or whatever hit enter to put in a cut point

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AlefBet:

M works.

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dscoular:

it's dead easyonce you get used to it.

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dscoular:

The only thing is that it won't let you have two cut points too close to each other. Not sure why... maybe something to do with keyframes of picture groups.

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AlefBet:

Mmm.

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dscoular:

Once you get the hang of the up/down keys it's good

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AlefBet:

I actually have about 350 GB of "Whose Line Is It Anyway" that I want to edit out the best (and cleanest) skits from and make a collection.

[10:28:28]

AlefBet:

It occupies most of my drive right now.

[10:28:37]

AlefBet:

This will be nice to know.

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dscoular:

Yeah... my wife uses it a lot to edit documentaries which she takes into work to show her colleagues.

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Juski:

AlefBet: have you seen the user manual in the wiki? It has a section about using the edit feature

[10:31:48]

AlefBet:

No I haven't.

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AlefBet:

I just discovered the wiki tonight, actually.

[10:32:47]

AlefBet:

I've found it now, though.

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dscoular:

Off topic: does anyone else find ramey.com coming up every time you type in a unresolvable domain name in firefox ?

[10:34:08]

AlefBet:

Not me.

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Juski:

dscoular: nope. have you been pwn3d?

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AlefBet:

But I'm using squid and dansguardian. Maybe that would mask it for me.

[10:34:40]

dscoular:

I wonder... I'm running fedora core 4 behind a fwbuilder firewall

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AlefBet:

A pwning is sounding like a possibility to me, though.

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dscoular:

Yeah... damn!

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dscoular:

I had hoped that was a windoze thang

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AlefBet:

Could be. I wouldn't see it if it was.

[10:36:35]

AlefBet:

Under Unix, your experience is personalized because we customize our machines. On Windows, your experience is customized because no two people have exactly the same set of worms.

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AlefBet:

:$

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dscoular:

If I type in http://cr.cisco.com/ it takes me to ramey.com trying to sell me domains.

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Juski:

first thing I tend to do with a new install is change the messages on servers lke apache to stop them reporting distro & version numbers

[10:37:38]

dscoular:

I'm not running any servers other than ssh

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AlefBet:

I think that's pretty common for professionally done servers.

[10:38:08]

dscoular:

I might try renaming my ~/.mozilla

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Juski:

I get 'timed out' on that domain... not 'not found'...

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Juski:

people tend to buy up similarly spelled domain names – it might just be that

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Juski:

try www.goggle.com to see what I mean

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dscoular:

But they can't buy cisco.com subdomains

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AlefBet:

goggle.com takes me to an anti-spyware site.

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teprrr:

hmm, how can I enable EIT for my build?

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teprrr:

I see no configure flag for it..

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dscoular:

I think it's always built these days

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teprrr:

ah, okay

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dscoular:

--disable-dvb-eit disable DVB EIT support (--enable-dvb is required)

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dscoular:

I think it's now on by default

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teprrr:

./configure --help|grep -i eit didn't return anything

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dscoular:

spug mythtv-svn # ./configure --help|grep -i eit

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dscoular:

--disable-dvb-eit disable DVB EIT support (--enable-dvb is required)

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dscoular:

Depends on your version

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dscoular:

AlefBet, yes but no-one but google.com can create subdomains

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teprrr:

trunk

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dscoular:

Rather than 0.19-fixes ?

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Juski:

teprrr: EIT is enabled when you enable DVB now

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Juski:

in trunk it is anyway

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teprrr:

Juski, yes. compiling already

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makomk:

Hi. I have a problem with the DVB-T transport scan in MythTV svn (r9944) – it finds and adds the muxes, but also adds 6 transports with bogus frequencies of 2147483647...

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Juski:

makomk: so delete the rogue transports & post on the -dev list about the problem

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Juski:

I dunno if any dvb coding guys are in today

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Juski:

I just checked out 9947

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makomk:

Juski: interestingly, deleting the rogue transports takes the channels with them. I'll take your advice, though – thanks.

[10:53:58]

Juski:

makomk: if the frequencies are wrong, then what you are deleting wouldn't work anyway ;-)

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Juski:

btw I recommend you attach a channels.conf got using dvb-scan and your dtv_multiplexes table

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makomk:

The muxes are all added with the correct information; I had it working using channels.conf inport too at one point, but...

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Juski:

it'd only be working to a degree with a channels.conf import – you'd have been missing networkid & serviceid for the muxes, so EIT wouldn't have worked

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makomk:

Exactly – hence why I wanted to scan for channels.

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makomk:

Unfortunately, I'm the first person to use MythTV with DVB-T on this driver (it didn't work before – driver bug), and 0.19-fixes doesn't work with it (signal detection bug).

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Yalla-One:

Can anyone point me towards updated information on status of USB-touchscreen support in MythTV 0.20 (or 0.19?) I'd like to be able to play music on the box (MythMusic) without having to turn on the TV, and control it maybe similar to an iPod or at least be able to start/stop/pause/FF/etc ? Any insight anywhere?

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teprrr:

hmm, it isn't possible to only compile dvb backend and nothing more? :)

[11:08:47]

teprrr:

looks like I'm getting mythmusic and so on here now

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Juski:

teprrr: mythmusic is in the plugins part – not the main mythtv lump

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teprrr:

oh hmm

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teprrr:

ah, it was just some sound libs

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teprrr:

I'm trying to get a video recorder which would allow me to use another app to watch the show even if it's running..

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teprrr:

and I saw that mythtv allows you to specify if you want to reserve the device when not used

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Juski:

yup

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Juski:

makomk: anyway which driver are you using, out of curiosity ?

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makomk:

Juski em2880_dvb – http://linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Em2880 – with an extra patch to make it actually work.

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hashbang:

Yalla-One: I think most touchscreens (e.g. the ones in Silverstone cases) just appear as an absolute input device (i.e. like a wacom tablet) to X. From there, it's just an alternative to a mouse. Check further before spending money, though, as I don't own one.

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Yalla-One:

hashbang, Thanks much for your answer! Due to the (high) price on the Silverstone LC18 I'll check carefully yes. The main question is how/if MythTV allows one display on the TV, and another on the touchscreen, and if there is a nice interface with ">" "||" and similar buttons, or even an iPod-alike interface for chosing music :)

[11:22:34]

Yalla-One:

hashbang, Would you know where to go for further information, or whom to ask?

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Juski:

makomk: ahhh... always wondered about those usb stick receivers ever since I first saw them

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Juski:

Yalla-One: mythmusic isn't designed to be used on a seperate display. none of the plugins are

[11:26:13]

Juski:

it might work with lcdproc if you have 20x4 LCD display with switches though – I dunno

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Yalla-One:

Juski, Would be a nice feature though, now that more and more cases come with built-in display. Always good to be able to control music without having to turn on the TV, or what's your take on this?

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Yalla-One:

Juski, Hmm – isn't lcdproc limited to displaying, but not accepting input?

[11:27:22]

Juski:

my take on it is that LCDs are unneccessary fuss

[11:27:49]

Juski:

there's been a few threads about using a squeezebox with mythmusic though

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Yalla-One:

Juski, LCD might be fuss, but controlling the music without TV or remote is not a fuzz :)

[11:28:55]

Yalla-One:

SqueezeBox would be nice :)

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Juski:

the big thing for me about mythmusic has always been that the music stops playing when you quit out of it. when it becomes a background music player, then it could be changed to accomodate what you'd like. and you're not the only one

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Juski:

my argument against in-case LCDs is that I mostly use myth for watching TV. mythmusic is awful for arranging playlists to 'suit your mood' or whatever. so against the LCD, I know what I'm watching & how far in I am, cos I'm watching it ;-)

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Yalla-One:

Juski, hehe – valid points. However, when myth (hopefully) evolves even more into a centre of home entertainment, it should focus more on the music-side as well, as people want to have only one, good-looking box in the living room, for both music, TV, video, radio and others. Microsoft has some pretty good-looking ideas for their next generation of STBs, but as always they fail miserably in making it a) work, and b) usable ...

[11:33:07]

Juski:

and of course, in cost

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Yalla-One:

goes without saying!

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Yalla-One:

I've got the specs and flash of the latest Microsoft STB offering, and I have to admit it looks *NICE*...

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Juski:

I've seen SVN, and it's even more stunning. mythmusic is the black sheep of the plugin family. nobody really loves it

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hashbang:

Juski: you could use an nVidia card, perhaps, with TwinView set to mirror. All theoretical, though.

[11:35:19]

Juski:

true

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Juski:

when it comes to defining what mythtv should be for an individual it can get very ummm... perochial

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hashbang:

Juski: integrating a last.fm player and an itunes/allofmp3/mp3search grabber would be neat, too.

[11:36:47]

Juski:

I plan to have whole house audio at some point, and the prospect of being able to have a 'kiosk' LCD touch panel to control music playback is very inviting

[11:37:05]

Juski:

the devs won't wanna be treading on Apple's toes

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hashbang:

OK, drop itunes then, and wait for apple to come begging the devs to add it. :-)

[11:38:54]

Juski:

heheheh

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Juski:

at some point I want to re-grab all of my CDs, not in mp3 format this time

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hashbang:

allofmp3 is #2 in the UK, at least.

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Juski:

mp3 sounds okay on my desktop pc with 'bookshelf' speakers, but on my hifi it's sheeeeeee-ite

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hashbang:

Juski: I probably should have standardised on FLAC for the long-term, but...

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** hashbang grabs at 192Kbps VBR <= 256Kbps **

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hashbang:

seems to work OK here.

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Juski:

storage space is no longer my concern ;-)

[11:40:32]

Juski:

and I've found that you can just have _too much_ music

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hashbang:

the only thing that sounded noticeably worse than the CD was a recording of Holst's Planets

[11:41:09]

Juski:

when I've been doing up my bathroom I have mediamonkey playing random tracks from my collection and there's some proper dirge in there

[11:41:20]

hashbang:

heh

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Juski:

rm -rf Scooter*

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hashbang:

I kinda like that; sometimes I'll be in the right mood to like something I didn't like the first (and probaby only) time I heard it

[11:42:22]

Yalla-One:

Have anyone considered aligning myth-music with amaroK ?

[11:42:25]

Juski:

I've got awful tracks going back to 1987 when I first started DJing... stuff I _had_ to have but hated

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hashbang:

Juski: ah, that might be different then.

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hashbang:

Juski: all the music I have is either stuff I actually liked, or 'stamp collecting' for completeness

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Juski:

I'm like "Aqua?! fucking AQUA?!"

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Juski:

;-)

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hashbang:

oh dear.

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hashbang:

dd if=/dev/zero of=juskismusicpartition bs=10485760

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Juski:

I think I can safely sideline all the 'now' compilation shite

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teprrr:

hmm, it isn't possible to watch the same channel with different app when some app is recording?

[12:04:46]

Juski:

not really

[12:05:33]

teprrr:

okay

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Juski:

but you _can_ play the file you're recording

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teprrr:

yup, sure

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Juski:

same thing in principle

[12:06:18]

Juski:

you wouldnt want 'some app' to change the channel you're recording would you? ;-)

[12:06:51]

teprrr:

I thought it was possible to watch channels from the same "set" simultaneously

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Juski:

no

[12:08:18]

Juski:

vdr can use all the streams from one transport at the same time

[12:08:26]

Juski:

mythtv can't. yet

[12:08:47]

teprrr:

hmm, well, I was talking about in general :)

[12:09:18]

teprrr:

hmm, btw, is it possible to create "simpler" windowed frontend how easily?

[12:10:28]

teprrr:

what I'd like to have is somewhat the same as kdetv offers for v4l

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Juski:

you don't want much do you? :-P

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Juski:

mythtv is designed for the '10-foot' interface, to be used in your living room from your armchair

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laga_:

!trout Juski

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** MythLogBot slaps Juski with a trout on behalf of laga_... **

[12:11:21]

Juski:

with a remote control

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Juski:

afternoon laga

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laga_:

morning Juski

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Juski:

how goes it? I'm on DIY duty again

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Juski:

and setting up 0.19-fixes

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laga_:

nice :)

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teprrr:

Juski, hehe, yes, I have only my monitor in here

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laga_:

i'm gonna have breakfast soon, then i'll probably drool over the s100 a little bit more

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teprrr:

thus I won't need the whole frontend mythtv has

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teprrr:

hm, got mythtv compiled now

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teprrr:

err, how on earth the frontend device can be used even when lsof nor fuser doesn't show me anything about it :P

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teprrr:

that ain't mythtv's problem though.. odd anyway

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teprrr:

oh, it was indeed reserved.. wtf

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Juski:

teprrr: how many programs do you think can use a device at the same time?

[12:33:25]

Juski:

laga_: they don't list those devices on the bose uk website :-/

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teprrr:

Juski, well, seems to be that only one can use

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Juski:

hmmm funny that

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teprrr:

but if it's pure mpeg2 stream wouldn't it be possible to read it multiple times at once?

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Juski:

no

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Juski:

I don't know the exact reason why, but I think it has a lot to do with keeping drivers simple & stable

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teprrr:

okay

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teprrr:

hm, got backend running and eit also works now

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Juski:

no when you cat a device to a file, more than one thing can read that file

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Juski:

but not devices

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hashbang:

Juski: you'd have to buffer char devices forever in order to allow more than one consumer

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Juski:

ah right

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hashbang:

Juski: which in turn implies an infinite amount of memory

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hashbang:

which in a kernel would be a Bad Idea

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hashbang:

you could do something in user mode, and use a user-defined ring buffer to determine how far back you can go

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hashbang:

esd and friends do this for sound output, but you could implement similar things to allow multiplexing of char input devices

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Juski:

yeh I can see that

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Juski:

it's all good if you're not expecting too much ;-)

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hashbang:

hard to think of a sane use, though, which is probably why no-one's ever bothered. :-)

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teprrr:

well, I'd like to be able to record some shows (ie. need something to record the stuff when needed) but I'd like to watch tv meantime with some other app

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hashbang:

teprrr: why some other app?

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teprrr:

hashbang, why not? or do you have some app which can do that all for me?

[12:51:38]

teprrr:

myth's frontend is killing me, I don't need that much stuff and I want to have it work similar to video players.. (can change between fullscreen mode and so on)

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hashbang:

teprrr: well, mythtv can record, and you can watch the programme that's being recorded at the same time

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hashbang:

teprrr: alternatively, use your preferred recording app, then run mplayer or something on the file as it's being written

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teprrr:

yep, I know that :P

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teprrr:

well, I need to investigate the options later :P

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hashbang:

teprrr: if you want to watch a different DVB stream than the one that's being recorded, you'll need to do one of i) use VDR ii) wait for myth to gain that feature also (0.20?!?) iii) write something yourself; probably a daemon to demultiplex the currently tuned mplex into different streams via pipes or something

[12:54:56]

teprrr:

hashbang, actually I'm thinking I could write another frontend fo mythtv, if it's possible, which would do the trick for me :)

[12:55:11]

teprrr:

but don't know how easily it can be done

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teprrr:

tried to ask about it earlier today

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teprrr:

btw, what will myth do when you're watching a channel other than whom recording is about to begin? will it change automatically or..?

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dscoular:

It prompts you

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teprrr:

and I'm currently using vdr, as vdradmin was able to catch EIT easily

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teprrr:

okay

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teprrr:

sounds reasonable

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Juski:

vdr == l337 4 cr@xx0r5

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dscoular:

I think the distinguishing factor (although I don't know VDR very well) is that you can have multiple frontends and backends with mythtv.

[12:58:26]

dscoular:

Does VDR have a client server model ?

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teprrr:

yes it does, I think

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teprrr:

currently I'm only running vdr daemon on background and setting timers via web interface

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Juski:

dscoular: that, and the fact that people write naughty things for vdr & discuss them widely on the net

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teprrr:

but well, gotta go now. thanks for the chat :)

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teprrr:

bye for now ->

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** dscoular waves **

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laga_:

Juski: the s100 vision is not made by bose, i think

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Juski:

ah. that might explain stuff

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Juski:

let me know when mythtv is running on it :-P

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laga_:

Juski: it's given out by t-online, a german ISP. triple play and stuff, you know. and mythtv *is* already running on it :)

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Juski:

really?

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Juski:

how, where??

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Juski:

did _they_ do it?

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laga_:

Juski: _they_? heh :)

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Juski:

interesting

[13:05:07]

Juski:

can you just buy them anyway?

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laga_:

Juski: there's a zenslack distro which has a mythtv plugin – just mythfrontend i think

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Juski:

nifty

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laga_:

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laga_:

anyways, the GF is getting mad at me

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laga_:

ttyl

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Juski:

oops

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laga_:

he isaliar i was not getting mad. god...i was just trying to give him a blowjob and he is typing geee

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laga_:

err. excuse me while i go punish her.

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Juski:

rotfl

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dscoular:

Is there a reason svn update wouldn't indicate that I've modified some files ?

[13:20:40]

dscoular:

I can't remember how I checked this out I was sure I just followed the instruction on svn.mythtv.org for 0.19-fixes.

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dscoular:

svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-19-fixes/mythtv

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dscoular:

So it shouldn't be an issue with sticky tags... does svn even have sticky tags a la cvs ?

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Juski:

no idea

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dscoular:

guess I'll just checkout again... reimplement my patch and see if it shows in the svn update... weird huh ?

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Juski:

hmmm EIT is still hogging shedloads of cpu in 0.19-fixes

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dirk:

I'm wondering if anyone can help me with my video out? I have an older nvidia card w/tv out and am trying to fix the tv overscan problem. May question is, is this possible?

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Zider:

older as in not in the unified driver?

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Juski:

dirk: try a util called nvtv

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Juski:

works well with a gf2

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Zider:

Juski: wouldn't it need to be supported by the unidriver then?

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Juski:

works with the nv or nvidia driver AFAIK

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dirk:

thanks I'll give it a try

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Zider:

oki

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Juski:

definitely works with the nv driver

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Juski:

it's very alpha but I found it stable

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Zider:

maybe I can get 800x600 to fill my whole tv screen then.,. :P

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Juski:

zoiks! mythbackend is using 51% cpu!

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Juski:

Zider: nvtv has a variety of modes – you can't adjust the overscan as such

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Juski:

IIRC it works by talking directly to the registers in the tv-out encoder

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Zider:

Juski: so it doesn't just stretch the image..?

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Juski:

it gets the tv output encoder to scale, yes

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Juski:

and it can change the video mode

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Juski:

best thing to do altogether is shell out for a gf4 card

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Zider:

well, I'm gonna "shell out" for a gf6200 later

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Zider:

this would just be a temp solution

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Juski:

nvtv is ummm.. okay

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Juski:

dirk: if you're only overscanning by like 10% or so, adjust the GUI size in the appearance menu

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Juski:

you'll never be able to get the desktop to fit sweetly on a TV

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Juski:

not using VGA, svideo or composite

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dirk:

my other idea is a vga to tv converter

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Juski:

sometimes not even using DVI

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Juski:

dirk: that can be good, but you'll still need to deinterlace

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dirk:

so whats the best avenue to take with an older tv (not really older just not hd)

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sapbeast:

thanks whoever told me about DNR with ivtvctl

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sapbeast:

that gets rid of my awful ring bars

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sapbeast:

at least on a bunch of channels

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dirk:

hey guys I'm getting an error (cannot connect to your transcode domain)

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dirk:

what is that about

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dirk:

by the way the nvtv tool is working great

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dirk:

I've run into a few more problems

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dirk:

when I go to watch tv I just get a blank/black screen

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Juski:

sapbeast: you're welcome

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Juski:

dirk: for sdtv the best thing IMHO is to aim for 1:1 playback of your video. capture at full NTSC/PAL res & output at the same without any scaling preferably with an interlaced video mode

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Juski:

dirk: what tuner(s) ?

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Juski:

if you've got DVB, try 0.19-fixes – it's much improved over 0.19

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sapbeast:

Juski: after tweaking the parameters some channels look MUCH better

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sapbeast:

particuarly the pvr-500 ones

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sapbeast:

i set it to temporal automatic, spatial manual

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Juski:

sapbeast: cool :)

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sapbeast:

yeah its pretty helpful... wish i was using this before

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sapbeast:

id still like to know whats causing the interference tho

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dirk:

sorry I step away, I've got a pvr250

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dirk:

when I go to watch tv I just get a black screen

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Juski:

dirk: have you tested the pvr250 with cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg then played the test.mpg file?

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Juski:

taking a break from painting at the mo btw

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laga_:

re Juski

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Juski:

wb laga_

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Juski:

;-)

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Zider:

yoh

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Juski:

doh now there's an example of how much CPU EIT is using.. the screensaver is judderry

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Juski:

I'll set it up to use xmltv instead – I can't be putting up with that

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dirk:

no

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Juski:

dirk: so how do you know the ivtv driver even works? ;-)

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Juski:

stop messing with mythtv for a while & make sure ivtv is working or you'll waste a lot of time

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dirk:

ok

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Juski:

have you installed ivtv?

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Juski:

stop mythbackend right now too or it'll get in the way

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dirk:

ok mythbackend has been stoped

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dirk:

ok how do I test ivtv?

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speedsix:

Hi all

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Juski:

dirk: if you have mplayer installed, try mplayer < /dev/video0

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dirk:

btw I have installed ivtv

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dirk:

I just get the help info

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dirk:

with mplayer < /dev/video0

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Juski:

right

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Juski:

try cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg

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Juski:

then after say 20 seconds, press CTRL C

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Juski:

then try mplayer test.mpg

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dirk:

I don't get anything

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Juski:

if that works – even if you only see 'snow' then mythtv has been set up to use the wrong kind of tuner card

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Juski:

lsmod |grep ivtv

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Juski:

I got to go eat now – bbl

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dirk:

with lsmod | grep ivtv I get ivtv 215508 0

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dirk:

firmware_class 8832 2 ivtv,bttv

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dirk:

videodev 7936 2 ivtv,bttv

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TinheadNed:

hey guys

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TinheadNed:

any reason why changing the fontsizes in the "appearance" menu doesn't seem to be changing the size of the font used in menus and program guide etc? it changes the sizes in the setup pages

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Juski:

yeh TinheadNed. some themes don't have the <default> <small> and <big> font size elements for all their text

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Juski:

don't ask me which themes

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Juski:

I know mine doesn't

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Juski:

but it;s easy to change

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TinheadNed:

Juski: i haven't found one that has :/

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TinheadNed:

only tried two or three so far though

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Juski:

theme.xml ;-)

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Juski:

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TinheadNed:

ah, <size:big> and <size:small>

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TinheadNed:

although it's still hardcoded :/

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Jelte:

hi there, quick question on the "auto-expire" feature... does it delete recordings after a giving time, or just start deleting them when the machine is running out of space to record things

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TinheadNed:

Juski: i've just set the displaysize in X lower – cheat way out

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Juski:

TinheadNed: no, wherever you see <size:big> the UI will use the size you set for 'big' – or that's the idea

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TinheadNed:

Jelte: I think space, but I don't know

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TinheadNed:

Juski: the blue theme has <size:big>22</size:big>

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TinheadNed:

I assumed that meant they had defined 22 as "big" in that theme

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Juski:

if you look though, it won't be defined

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Juski:

that's how it's _supposed_ to work apparently

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TinheadNed:

it was only a guess – anyway, this solution means I can use your theme without fiddling with it

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TinheadNed:

hmm, i really need to go through the sql table and add the icons for the channels in

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dacer:

hi can anyone help me to configure mythtv. I not sure if I have a frontend or backend problem

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TinheadNed:

dacer: right?

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dacer:

hi TinheadNed , I was solving some problems. I have debian, and have this packages installed: http://pastebin.com/728333

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dacer:

now I stop mythtv-backend service and run mythtv-setup as mythtv user

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dacer:

my device are detected but when I try to search channels, always said "fail to open card" (in spanish "fallo al abrir la tarjeta")

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Mattwj2005:

I am going to try and install MythTV from source

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Mattwj2005:

using Debian

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dacer:

if I run mythtv-backend I get this error: Starting MythTV server: mythbackendSession management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed

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Mattwj2005:

what do you guys use for a gui? KDE, Gnome, Xfce?

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Juski:

lol

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Juski:

dacer: mysql config problem

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Zider:

fluxbox

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gutano:

Mattwj2005: fluxbox.... XFCE on my laptop (fluxbox not so friendly when you have a crap mouse)

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gutano:

stupid eraserhead laptop

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dacer:

Juski, and how can I check

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Servo888:

Well shit... After I requantize my mpeg via Avidemux2, my sound lags by ~1/2 second =(

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Juski:

dacer: are you following a howto guide or just winging it?

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dacer:

Juski, I was following a howto, but know really I don't know what I'm doing

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dacer:

I think to uninstall (again i do it before) all mythtv packages removing configurations, and try to install again

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dacer:

I would like to use debian packages, instead source code

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Juski:

dacer: look for the GRANT ALL command in the howto – I think you might've missed it

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dacer:

Juski, do you know a HowTo with debian packages?

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Juski:

nope

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dacer:

this is mythtv Howto ? http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInstall

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Juski:

kind of

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Juski:

the bones of one

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jams:

bones!

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dacer:

do you know a better HowTo?

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jams:

nope

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jchome:

how can I force mythbackend to listen only on one interface?

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a1fa|64:

jchome: are you using your firewall as a mythbackend?

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jchome:

its an internal router.

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jchome:

and it have 3 nics ;-)

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Cardoe:

what's happening.

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Mattwj2005:

anyone else notice the debian packages site is down?

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a1fa|64:

build from source

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a1fa|64:

we all build from source in here

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jchome:

from svn source. 8-)

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laga_:

bullshit, not everone in here builds from source

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a1fa|64:

most of the people do

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jchome:

dont trust binarys wich aren't selfcompiled. 8-)

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a1fa|64:

jchome: i dont trust source either

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a1fa|64:

i only trust Microsoft

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a1fa|64:

to sign my code

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jchome:

.oO

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Mattwj2005:

actually that is what I am doing right now....that was more of a FYI ;)

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jchome:

I dont hav any M$ System.

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a1fa|64:

i actually run mythtv on my windows box

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jchome:

youre to crazy to talk with.

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Mattwj2005:

affa your full of crap :-P

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** laga_ actually runs linux on his mythtv box **

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a1fa|64:

wow

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a1fa|64:

u can run linux?

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laga_:

yeah

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a1fa|64:

forgive my ignorance, what is leenux?

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Zider:

I idn't know mythtv even COULD be used on any other platform

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Cardoe:

hey laga_ what kind of system do you have?

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** jchome got only gentoo linux.. okay.. theres a OpenBSD, neither. **

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a1fa|64:

Zider: hhehe

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a1fa|64:

we are only messin

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Cardoe:

Looking for some ideas for a new MB and system

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Zider:

a1fa|64: noooo?! really? I had NO idea.. :P

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jchome:

linux and windows arent different platforms.. they are totally different systems.

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laga_:

Cardoe: a shitty one, so you it'd be more of a downgrade for you :)

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Cardoe:

laga: I highly doubt it

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Cardoe:

laga: I have my WHORE free PPC box

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a1fa|64:

aigh people

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a1fa|64:

i have a sun box

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a1fa|64:

that i run mythtv off

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Cardoe:

That refuses to boot for some unknown reason right now

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Cardoe:

This has to be small and quiet

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Cardoe:

I have an Antec Aria case I'd probably put it in

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a1fa|64:

v

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a1fa|64:

ultraspunk:~# uptime

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a1fa|64:

18:29:03 up 56 days, 16:06, 1 user, load average: 0.01, 0.05, 0.02

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Cardoe:

which is a bit big

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jchome:

i got a dual PI where i can run mythtv on..

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Cardoe:

I've got a dual P3 1ghz too

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a1fa|64:

ultraspunk:~# cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep cpu

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a1fa|64:

cpu : TI UltraSparc IIi (Sabre)

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Cardoe:

but it's soooooooooooooooo loud and hot

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jchome:

19:11:48 up 108 days, 8:03, 6 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00

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a1fa|64:

ultraspunk:~# uname -a

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a1fa|64:

Linux ultraspunk 2.4.27-2-sparc64 #1 Mon Aug 22 21:07:44 UTC 2005 sparc64 GNU/Linux

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jchome:

.oO

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a1fa|64:

its perfect for running myth-wakup

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a1fa|64:

:P

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a1fa|64:

i whish Wake-On-Lan worked over TCP/IP

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a1fa|64:

instead of having to tunnel

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a1fa|64:

a network

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jchome:

noone needs WoL.

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Juski:

sparc II? OMG I remember testing boards that used them

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Mattwj2005:

well that was a first.....I installed Linux for the first time using only a television for a display :P

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Juski:

arghghh that fucking ceiling I joined up.. fucking cracked AGAAAAIN... :-/

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a1fa|64:

lol

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Juski:

incompatible fscking paint or something

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Juski:

looks great til it's painted. next time (what fscking next time) we get a guy in to do it – whatever it costs

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seme|Work:

hey guys... how do I change the settings for the tv display on mythtv?

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Juski:

what settings? capture card brightness (you cant) or sizing?

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seme|Work:

things like color, brightness, contrast, etc

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seme|Work:

I was using tvtime and it had that ability

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Juski:

select 'use xv picture controls' in mythfrontend

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seme|Work:

but when I view the tv through mythtv it looks aweful

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seme|Work:

ok one sec

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Cardoe:

WoL over TCP/IP?

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Cardoe:

huh?

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Juski:

heh the NIC would have to have an IP address, which would mean it'd be running a TCP/IP stack..... etc

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seme|Work:

ok I've selected xv picture controls now how do I modify the color, etc?

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Juski:

oh wait no mythtv can't control them things on the capture card

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Juski:

not real-time anyway

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Juski:

stored on a channel by channel basis

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seme|Work:

huh

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Juski:

yup

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seme|Work:

can I make mythtv just use tvtime for displaying the tv?

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Juski:

if that sucks, get a better capture card :-P

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Juski:

nope

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seme|Work:

he hee

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Juski:

well could _could_ but you'd lose all the cool features

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seme|Work:

like what?

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seme|Work:

osd

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seme|Work:

ok now with xv display it is much worse

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Juski:

time shifting, EPG, realtime commflagging

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Juski:

etc etc etc

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seme|Work:

come on thats crazy that mythtv can't adjust simple things like color

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Juski:

is it?

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Juski:

it can adjust them, just not in real time

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Juski:

more a 'set & forget' thing

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seme|Work:

I see

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Juski:

look in the channel table

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Juski:

or the channel editor in mythweb

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seme|Work:

channel table?

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seme|Work:

I've never used mythweb

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seme|Work:

I'll add it

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Juski:

bright / contrast / hue / colour

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Cardoe:

Juski: what hardware do you have?

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seme|Work:

you can do it via the web but not directly through the interface?

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Juski:

changing the values won't work real time AFAIK.. you'd have to change away from the channel then back to see the change AFAIK

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Juski:

Cardoe: pvr150 & 2 dvb-t tuners

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Cardoe:

Juski: no... system

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Juski:

system? epia 1ghz frontend & erm.. athlon 2ghz backend

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seme|Work:

ok I changed away and back

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seme|Work:

still the same

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Juski:

seme|Work: does the GUI look okay? I mean is it just the tv tuner that looks bad?

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seme|Work:

yeah the gui looks great

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Juski:

seme|Work: you might need to use v4lctl then

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Juski:

and put the command which gets the settings that look right to you, in a bootup script to reset it when you reboot

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seme|Work:

what is the v4lctl command a part of.. I can't find it

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TinheadNed:

ttyl

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test34:

I have search on the web how to burn recordings to DVD but they are talking about .nuv file.. but all I can find is the .mpg files... is this normal ?

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jams:

test34- if you have a prv-x50 card yes

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Juski:

seme|Work: v4lctl should come with xawtv

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test34:

jams, yeah I got pvr-250.. but I tried going directly with dvdauthor to create the dvd structure and I get a bunch of: WARN: Skipping sector, waiting for first VOBU... is the video file still in the wrong format

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Juski:

test34: I dunno if the pvr250 mpeg2 files are ts or ps – you might need to remux them

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seme|Work:

well I have a pcHDTV 3000 card but I need to get a pvr350 card too

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sixy:

Hi there – i need some info on customising the mythtv menus

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Juski:

sixy: all in /usr/share/mythtv/themes – the magic of xml files

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sixy:

sadly not, in this case

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sixy:

have read all the docs i can find but no answer

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Juski:

/usr/local/share/mythtv then? ;-)

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test34:

Juski, thanks, I will try that

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sixy:

i need to chop out some of the menus. specifially the tv netfglix and some others

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Juski:

menu.xml

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Juski:

or within the theme dir, theme.xml

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Juski:

<buttondef> I think defines each menu item

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jams:

i suggest making your own menu theme, otherwise your changes will be over written on the next update

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Juski:

... or badger the theme author to help, unless it's me

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sixy:

its /usr/share/mythtv btw – almost nothing in /usr/local/share. and ive chopped bits out mainmenu.xml but its not working

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sixy:

i have made my own theme but i cant find any related sections in theme.xml or ui.xml

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jams:

sixy- make your own menu theme..those dont have a theme.xml or ui.xml

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jams:

all you want todo is remove/add items from the menu?

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sixy:

yeah

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sixy:

but a menu theme is an animal new to me... i dont remember any reference to a menu theme in the docs :/

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jams:

if you look in /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes/DVR there is an example

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sixy:

ok – thanks i will take a look

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jams:

all you need todo is make a dir copy in all the .xml files from /usr/local/share/mythtv/

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jams:

and start editing

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jams:

then pick your menu theme from the settings screen

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Cardoe:

I think I'm gonna get a Nvidia 6600 GT

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jams:

setup->appearance->menu theme

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jams:

sixy setup->appearance->menu theme

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sixy:

ahhh ty i remember wondering what that did :)

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jams:

menu themes are MUCH easier then the other themes

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sixy:

yeah it working – thanks ppl

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Zider:

6600GT is really nice

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Mattwj2005:

nothing like compiling kernel source on a Saturday afternoon

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Mattwj2005:

:)

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Mattwj2005:

hey anyone else have Netflix in here?

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Mattwj2005:

I have had two disc damaged in shipping within the last month....was just wondering if anyone else has had that problme

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Mattwj2005:

*problme

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Mattwj2005:

grr problem

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sixy:

in the theme.xml file there is an <area>10,10,0,0,</area> section – what do i change to move the text up slightly?

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a1fa|64:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ftJhDBZqss&am . . . =touchscreen

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a1fa|64:

i am migrating my mythtv

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a1fa|64:

to this platform

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Juski:

a1fa|64: I have one thing to say about that video.. bucky balls! :-)

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opello:

they software they wrote for the demo is neater than the touchscreen :)

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opello:

the*

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Juski:

yep

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sixy:

why do you need a multi-touchscreen for myth? surely it would confuse the program if you pressed more than one button at once

[18:23:03]

Juski:

I want a looping lava lamp bubble video for some dvd menu backgrounds

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Mattwj2005:

I thought the demo was pretty cool

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Mattwj2005:

it would be nice for pictures

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sixy:

maybe... i would use an analogue touchscreen myself – they are not cheap but they are much nicer to use than the resistive wire screens as every touch works – they dont have 'pixels' which you have to touch inside and eel much more responsive

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Mattwj2005:

an endless stargate tunnel would be cool...you can find the video online but it is low quality

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Juski:

bah tunnels

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Zider:

wormhole <3

[18:25:57]

Juski:

dead easy to do in any 3d package

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Juski:

morphing buckballs with physics is difficult

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Mattwj2005:

oh yeah oops....it is hard believe I have seen every episode of both series :-P

[18:26:44]

Mattwj2005:

*to believe

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sixy:

easy to do in lw/max/maya etc, but harder to program

[18:27:19]

Zider:

Mattwj2005: I'm on season 6 of sg1 :P

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Juski:

you just make a convex cylinder & wrap a texture around it

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sixy:

oh – how do you set themes&backgrounds for the music player/videoplayer/everything else other than the core menu?

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Mattwj2005:

I have seen through 9 ;)

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Juski:

sixy: video_ui.xml, music-ui.xml etc

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sixy:

cheers

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Juski:

beware. I started out doing that.. 2 themes later & I'm a very bitter man. oh wait I was very bitter before that

[18:28:51]

Juski:

ProjectGrayhem ruined my life.. ;-)

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sixy:

lol :)

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sixy:

ah – ther eare no pre-created ones to start from <flails around like a fish out of water>

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Juski:

if you do your own theme careful not to release it. that's when the shit hits the fan

[18:30:12]

sixy:

not if i give them your email for support xD

[18:30:39]

sixy:

btw – whats your email?

[18:30:49]

Juski:

lol

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Juski:

you have the only clue I'm gonna give ya

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sixy:

:)

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sixy:

do you know of any pre-created *_ui.xml themes i can use as a template?

[18:32:41]

Juski:

all the ones that come with themes already

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Juski:

find one with a layout scheme you like

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sixy:

ah yeah... seems my find files thingy is having a bad day – it couldnt find any

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Juski:

now this is a touchscreen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOSx7v87JCA&am . . . =touchscreen

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Servo888:

Well crap = You know about 4 years or so ago I was running on a 11GB harddrive. And during that time 80GB's were coming out, and I said ot myself – who needs more than 11GB's?... Now with half a terabyte of storage, with 95% usage, I can't find enough storage =-(.

[18:35:32]

sixy:

juski – wow!

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Zider:

yeah, same problem here

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Zider:

if I had the cash I'd get a couple of 750GB's

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Servo888:

yah

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Mattwj2005:

juski that is freckin' sweet!

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Zider:

one 750GB could replace all the drives I have now ;)

[18:36:32]

Servo888:

My biggest issue isn't cash – but just an easy way to connect them up. I would like to do some sort of adhoc raid throug usb / firewire. So I could just plug in a drive with out opening up my case.

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sixy:

it exists – but using raid on external drives aint clever

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Servo888:

what do you mean? sixy

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sixy:

your better off with a standard usb2/firewire enclosure

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Zider:

Servo888: why not inside the case?

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Juski:

Mattwj2005: (Scientology membership optional)

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Servo888:

Zider, no room. It's a micro atx. It can only house at most 2 drives. 4 drives if I take out the cdrom and go external.

[18:38:21]

Mattwj2005:

say what?

[18:38:23]

Mattwj2005:

:-s

[18:38:31]

Zider:

Servo888: so you exchange a smaller drive with a 750GB. :)

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sixy:

raid isnt really designed to have drives swapped in/out lots. it will work, but takes a while to re-sync with raid1 and raid5 will getvery ill if you swap drives in/out a lot

[18:39:39]

Cardoe:

what kind of cases do you guys have?

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Juski:

Mattwj2005: nm

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Zider:

for the mediacenter I have an old crappy noname-case

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Juski:

silverstone lc02 here. don't get one

[18:40:06]

Zider:

gonna get a new one tho

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Servo888:

Generic low profile atx case. Painted black =-)

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Mattwj2005:

oh okay....cool......that is a pretty sweet setup...does it run linux? :P

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sixy:

Cardoe – i have lots but would reccomend silverstone cases in general, the zalman one is nice, and so are some others. whats your budget?

[18:41:11]

Cardoe:

I'm more looking at product then price.

[18:41:27]

Cardoe:

I'm basically tired of the setup I have now.

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sixy:

do you want small and discreet? large with lcd touchscreen on? what sort of things do you like?

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Servo888:

I like small and discrete =-).

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Juski:

if you just want it for a frontend, www.tranquilpc.com

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sixy:

the smallest one i build atm is about the size of 2 internal cd drives next to each other

[18:42:11]

Cardoe:

I have an Antec Aria right now

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Cardoe:

which is alright

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Cardoe:

but I'm tired of the blue LED

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Cardoe:

and I'm tired of the shape

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laga:

rip it out?

[18:42:34]

Cardoe:

the box shape is kinda crappy.

[18:42:35]

laga:

smash it?

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Juski:

heatgun!

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Cardoe:

I'm gonna get a case that's the size of my stereo

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Juski:

give it an organic, melted shape :-P

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Cardoe:

heh

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Cardoe:

and in it I have a Pegasos PPC 1ghz board.

[18:43:10]

Cardoe:

"development" board.

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sixy:

if money is no object:

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sixy:

http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/mCubed_HFX_Passive_HTPC.html

[18:43:29]

Cardoe:

But it's not optimial

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Cardoe:

since PPC isn't good for TV out at all.

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sixy:

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Cardoe:

and it's not "stable"

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Cardoe:

I was thinking of a Core processor

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sixy:

cardoe – thats a good choice, although motherboards are still a little tin on the ground

[18:45:35]

Cardoe:

?

[18:45:42]

Juski:

the cases folks are shipping with MCE PCs are nice

[18:46:22]

Zider:

I think I'll just build a case out of plexi or something

[18:46:26]

Cardoe:

How's Ahanix?

[18:46:33]

sixy:

core duo cpus require non-standard motherboards and there are not that many about yet

[18:46:50]

Cardoe:

"non-standard" ?

[18:47:09]

Cardoe:

PFC is what on a power supply?

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sixy:

as in hard to find? not a socket thats widely avaibaile?

[18:47:17]

Cardoe:

the quiet self adjusting speed?

[18:47:19]

Juski:

power factor correction

[18:47:28]

Juski:

more efficient use of mains power

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Cardoe:

ah

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Cardoe:

I need to also get a remote.

[18:47:48]

Cardoe:

I'm using the one of my PVR-250

[18:47:57]

Cardoe:

But I'm getting a really nice Harmony remote

[18:47:58]

sixy:

logitech harmony is very nice

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Cardoe:

so I need some module to accept input

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Cardoe:

like a USB IR port or something

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Juski:

select a case with a receiver built in

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Juski:

if you can find one that is

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sixy:

th ahanix caes are nice – but like most of the mainstream htpc cases they are quite large

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Juski:

hey if someone is selling a plasma with MCE in it... it doesn't have to be big

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sixy:

many cases that have VFD can easily have a reciver added to the same panel

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Cardoe:

Juski: plasma with mce?

[18:50:16]

Juski:

yeh.. plasma screen with a pc built in

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Cardoe:

Juski: I saw a Plasma TV with a built in PVR functionality

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sixy:

http://www.silverstone-usa.com/products-lc07.htm

[18:52:01]

sixy:

20cm x 15cm x 5cm

[18:52:05]

sixy:

thats small

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Juski:

this looks okay.. not fugly

[18:52:34]

Juski:

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/picture_library/dir_81 . . . 935.jpg?1913

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Juski:

rofl.. retro or what?! http://www.pcpro.co.uk/picture_library/dir_96 . . . 307.jpg?8036

[18:53:52]

Juski:

elonex videostar

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Cardoe:

sixy: it's small but look what it supports.

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sixy:

yeah i know. nano itx it a bitch of a form factor

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Juski:

only nano? awwww

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Juski:

no IR window though

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sixy:

micro itx is hard enough to be honest

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Cardoe:

sixy: basically no power

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Cardoe:

and you have to have everything low profile

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Cardoe:

I have 1 PVR-150 that's a low profile

[18:55:50]

sixy:

no you have to have everything on motherboard

[18:55:57]

sixy:

no space for pci cards

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sixy:

http://www.silverstone-usa.com/products-lc09.htm

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Juski:

no slots for PCI either

[18:56:22]

sixy:

smallest case i use that has spce for a pci card

[18:56:27]

sixy:

still very small

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Juski:

going seperate fe & be is probably the most cost-effective way to keep the livingroom side small & quiet

[18:57:36]

Juski:

everything in one neat box is hard to do while keeping it cool & quiet, if you want small

[18:57:37]

sixy:

you can build an entire system into the lc-09 – thats pretty small about the size of a small dvd player

[18:58:00]

Cardoe:

http://www.silverstone-usa.com/products-lc10m.htm

[18:58:04]

Cardoe:

I'd probably do something like that.

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Juski:

sixy: you can build an entire system in an lc02 but the heat management stinks

[18:59:10]

sixy:

juski – ive built an lc-09 with a full win mce thats basically inaudible – its pricy to make tho

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sixy:

cardoe – thats quite a tall case – its the same size as a large a/v reciever

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Cardoe:

ok

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Cardoe:

I have a a/v receiver

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Juski:

there's one case I saw reviewed & it was deeper than my 32" wide CRT

[19:01:01]

Cardoe:

it's 6" tall.

[19:01:26]

sixy:

it comes with 4 fans – a 92mm out from and 2x 60mm out back. all are quite noisy and need either replacing or undervolting

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sixy:

whats taht in cm? xD

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Juski:

15cm

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Juski:

oh depth? erm... about 55cm I think

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Juski:

probably more

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sixy:

no i meant cardoe :)

[19:03:07]

Juski:

lc20 looks the part

[19:03:37]

Cardoe:

sixy: 163mm

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Cardoe:

sixy: what comes with 4 fans?

[19:03:59]

sixy:

ok thats almosst exactly the same as the silverstone case

[19:04:48]

sixy:

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=2255

[19:04:58]

sixy:

that would be a good motherboard to look at

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laga:

does anyone have experience with the antec minuet case? looks nice & is cheap

[19:05:27]

Juski:

I saw one close up a while ago. It really does look cheap ;-)

[19:05:36]

laga:

Juski: oh, ok :)

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Juski:

noisy too

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Juski:

why they don't publish the dB specs.. they just say 'quiet'

[19:06:32]

sixy:

http://www.coolermaster.com/index.php?LT=engl . . . 0Media%20250

[19:06:38]

sixy:

laga have a look at that

[19:06:44]

sixy:

its nice and pretty cheap

[19:07:13]

sixy:

juski – most published db specs are wildly off the mark – db measuring is very very hard to do right

[19:07:31]

Juski:

no it's not

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Juski:

put it in an anechoic chamber, stick a mike 1m from it at 0' axis ;-)

[19:08:12]

Juski:

better than lying

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sixy:

yes if you have access to an anechoic chamber (very expensive) and decent measuring equipent (also very expensive) and the time to do it.....

[19:09:33]

sixy:

if practise what they do is get a cheapish sound pressure device put it in a quiet room and turn it on. not accurate.

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Juski:

yep

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eiggirC:

sixy: thats close enough if you're measuring "before" and "after"

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Juski:

my epia system didn't register above the 30dB noise floor of my livingroom, but I could still hear it

[19:10:39]

Juski:

that was with the expensive sound level meter from work

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laga:

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sixy:

eiggirC – before and after aint great for publisihing hardware specs

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eiggirC:

sixy: true

[19:11:13]

sixy:

laga – ther ear two versions – one is chea, one is pricy

[19:11:21]

laga:

sixy: ah, thanks. gotta look into that

[19:11:38]

Juski:

do they do one without 'coolermaster' on the front flap?

[19:11:56]

sixy:

if you buy lots, probably yes

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Juski:

heh

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Juski:

in all honesty I've yet to see a sub £100 case that didn't look worse than the cheapest DVD player

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eiggirC:

Juski: are you in the market for a new case?

[19:12:46]

Juski:

looking for one

[19:12:49]

eiggirC:

Juski: how good are you with your hands?

[19:12:54]

eiggirC:

should I ask your missus ?

[19:12:55]

eiggirC:

;)

[19:12:56]

eiggirC:

anyway

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** Juski has magic fingers **

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Juski:

;-)

[19:13:21]

eiggirC:

I saw someone put a front end into an old VCR

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sixy:

http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_1276.html &ndas h; thats still my favourite case on the market

[19:13:29]

Juski:

my dremeling is getting better

[19:13:33]

eiggirC:

Juski: and it suits your stereo stack :)

[19:13:55]

eiggirC:

sixy: thats nice

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sixy:

pricy when youve added all the custom heasinks and heatpipes to make it entirely passively cooled

[19:14:39]

** Juski washes his eyes out with soap & water.. that is fug-lee **

[19:14:45]

sixy:

but im getting one for my house unless the wife twarts me

[19:15:19]

eiggirC:

thwarts

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sixy:

http://www.htpcnews.com/main.php?id=ces_2006_10 – thats the case for you juski – 14" touchscreen on the front

[19:15:32]

sixy:

yeah i know my typings crap

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Juski:

sixy: nicer, but I'd have to get a whole new TV stand

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eiggirC:

sixy: thats beautiful

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eiggirC:

sixy: if you're in the market for an all in one with a touchscreen attached, then go check out a cash register shop for used gear

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Juski:

and get coding :-P

[19:19:13]

eiggirC:

sixy: seriously... some of the PC POS machines have a bog-standard PC in the backside, and a nice enough LCD on front

[19:19:16]

sixy:

where i live all you get in those shops are nicked stereos

[19:19:25]

Juski:

here's my current setup: http://www.juski.co.uk/htpc.png

[19:19:31]

eiggirC:

and the hospitality industry tend to go through them quite quickly

[19:19:51]

sixy:

Juski – nice

[19:20:10]

Juski:

but no IR window, and I'm not confident enough with my dremel yet

[19:20:12]

eiggirC:

Juski: which one is the mythbox ?

[19:20:18]

Juski:

just under the TV

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eiggirC:

the blue light one ?

[19:20:31]

sixy:

eiggerc – sdaly i dont really have the budget for a new htpc atm

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Juski:

eiggirC: yep

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Juski:

this is the case I really really want, but it's too damn expensive http://www.mini-itx.com/store/?c=28

[19:21:34]

Juski:

http://www.mini-itx.com/store/images/1160-03L.jpg

[19:22:11]

RaYmAn-Bx:

wow, that has to be the best looking mini-itx case I've seen

[19:23:02]

sixy:

nice, although you have to use via systems :/

[19:23:16]

Juski:

no you don't

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RaYmAn-Bx:

there are mini-itx pentium-m boards as well

[19:23:30]

Juski:

you can get mini-itx intel boards too

[19:23:34]

RaYmAn-Bx:

just fairly hard to get

[19:23:45]

sixy:

not hard to get at all

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sixy:

we sell 2 different ones

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Juski:

sixy: do you work at kustompc ? ;-)

[19:24:20]

sixy:

but that case comes with a heatsink which i doubt is compatible

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Juski:

showertime anyway...

[19:24:25]

sixy:

no :/

[19:24:30]

sixy:

sadly

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RaYmAn-Bx:

sixy: well..hard to get in Denmark then.

[19:24:55]

RaYmAn-Bx:

and stupidly expensive

[19:25:09]

sixy:

rayman look for commel motherboards – they are pricy but fairly availiable

[19:25:51]

RaYmAn-Bx:

yeah, looked for them...Ended up just getting an Aopen P-M board and stuffing it in an Antec Aria case..Works fine and is really quite quiet

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sixy:

did you stick with the stock fan or replace it?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

stock

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RaYmAn-Bx:

I'm using 'fancontrol' though...and the cpu is clocked down to minimal unless it's needed..so the cpu fan is off most of the time

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sixy:

ah ok

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sixy:

not sure if you would fit it on an aopen board, but the top of the line zalman gfx card cooler works really well as a pentium m cooler, and is very very low profile

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RaYmAn-Bx:

the Aopen board has a propritary (spelling?) cooler, so hardly anything fits on it

[19:30:08]

laga:

proprietary

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sixy:

yeah the zalman cooler comes iwht a fairly flexible mount that fits most gfx cards but not many cpus, however thermal glue does the job

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AlefBet:

I've just upgraded my IVTV driver from 4.0.3 to 4.2 (so that my Hauppauge 500 can tune above channel 55), and it looked like it worked yesterday, but this morning I had two programs scheduled to record, one on channel 7 and one on channel 57 and they both recorded channel 10 instead.

[19:59:25]

AlefBet:

Is there a troubleshooting guide for this type of thing? Or does this problem sound familiar to anyone?

[20:08:05]

AlefBet:

It's strange. When I watch live TV, I can change channels fine, but when it schedules a recording, it looks like it can't change channels.

[20:15:41]

Sembiance:

:)

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makomk:

Juski: found the problem; bug in MythTV, already a fix attached to #1728...

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garrick:

anyone know why DVD imports don't create an entry the database?

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GreyFoxx:

They MythDVD is not tied into the Recordings screens, so it was nevermeant to place an entry in your database :)

[20:19:33]

garrick:

It should show up on the "Watch Videos" screen

[20:20:47]

garrick:

or, how do I watch a DVD that I have imported?

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GreyFoxx:

Well, run the video manager under mythvideo to pull in the list of videos

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GreyFoxx:

OR configure videolist/whatever to browse the file system

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garrick:

Ooo

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GreyFoxx:

Though personally I've only use mythdvd to import one dvd just to test it back when that was first added

[20:22:25]

garrick:

that's kind of awkward

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garrick:

I've had my mythtv box for 2 years, never tried DVD importing before

[20:23:43]

garrick:

now I have 1 instructional DVD with 70 titles that I'll need to watch over and over again

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garrick:

seemed like the perfect DVD to import

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GreyFoxx:

makes sense :)

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mchou:

sigh, sometimes you really do get what you pay for

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mchou:

what a POS mobo

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mythica:

The initial sampling rate in my setup was 32000. I increased that to 48000. I have been having some buffering problems since I made that change, but Mythtv won't allow me to modify that field. Does anyone know how I can change this setting?

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mythica:

i have been looking in the db, but cant fina nything

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garrick:

is it weird that xine can play my DVD just fine, but not the DVD rip? xine errors with "couldn't find demux for >filename<"

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mythica:

anyone?

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Mattwj2005:

do you guys recommend the 19.1 release with bug fixes?

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Juski:

Mattwj2005: depends what you're looking for

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Juski:

if you use DVB scanning has been improved, but EIT is still a cpu hog. for the uber EIT you need SVN but that comes with disadvantages

[21:21:15]

Mattwj2005:

I just thought maybe the bug fixes were a good idea....will it be more unstable?

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armand:

i went to recent fixes, 9878, and i think something broke

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Mattwj2005:

okay cool thanks

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armand:

disk access is slow as hell when you first select a show in recorded programs to watch

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armand:

sometimes it times out and instead of playing the show goes back to the menu of recorded programs... if you select the same recording again it plays immediately. its weird. the disk light is solid while its doing this, but its only reading at like 2500 blocks/sec

[21:24:54]

armand:

i can dd to the drive at 9000 blocks/sec

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armand:

makes me think its myth

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armand:

gonna step up plans for raid5 1.2tb xfs sata2 array hehe

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Juski:

0.19-fixes seems to be working ok here on my test box apart from the DVB EPG stuff

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Juski:

this is good

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Juski:

paying £25 a month for a pack of channels, but on their website the price is £19.50. Hmmm. Grrrr

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Zider:

how is nvtv supposed to be used? just nvtv --overscan 10,10 while X and everything is running or what?

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Juski:

Zider: when I used it I operated it with the GUI

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Zider:

Juski: but it affected the image onthefly so to speak?

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Mattwj2005:

well I got xfce up and running

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Dug02:

is anyone using myth in san francisco with comcast?

[22:48:22]

Juski:

Zider: I think so. it's been a while since I used it

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mchou:

Dug02: not SF, but San Jose

[22:49:55]

mchou:

Dug02: what's the dealio?

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Dug02:

mchou what kind of capture card are you using?

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Dug02:

I have a pchdtv card and I do scan for hdtv channel and I get none

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mchou:

Dug02: dont bother getting a capture card. Use the HDTV STB provided by comcast and record w/ firewire

[22:50:52]

mchou:

Dug02: could have told you that earlier :)

[22:51:23]

Dug02:

I hve basic cable and no box

[22:51:36]

mchou:

Dug02: I think it's ridicoulous to get QAM PC cards at this stage when cablecard issues have not been settled.....

[22:51:59]

mchou:

Dug02: I have "limited basic" and I get all locals in HD :)

[22:52:29]

mchou:

Dug02: all you need is to pay $5/mo for the HDTV STB

[22:52:50]

Dug02:

yeah.. I know it is on my cable but I just cant find it

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mchou:

get firewirecard and firewire cable, and you're all set

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Juski:

and that kind of capturing is about as good as you're gonna get

[22:53:20]

mchou:

Dug02: and you wont even need an alaog capture card :)

[22:53:21]

Dug02:

mchou but I want to try and get it with my pchdtv

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mchou:

analog*

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Juski:

wish we had firewire here, if only for the sdtv

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mchou:

Dug02: cause you can record SDTV thru firewire too :)

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Dug02:

mchou: I understand but I want to use the analog

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Juski:

Dug02: don't

[22:54:17]

mchou:

Dug02: why??

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Dug02:

mchou cuz my cable is free ;)

[22:54:46]

mchou:

Dug02: lol

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Juski:

with firewire you won't have the video going through any nasty cheap conversion process

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mchou:

I guess that's why ppl buy qam cards

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mchou:

stealing cable

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Dug02:

maybe I could get a comcast cable box :)

[22:55:45]

mchou:

Dug02: you live in a trailer park? :)

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Juski:

is _that_ what the qam cards are about then? getting stuff they're not entitled to or is there FTA stuff too?

[22:56:19]

mchou:

or you just get an extension from your apt. neighbor? :)

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Juski:

eeks

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Juski:

I was gonna say – I have to pay for even the most basic stuff.. it's classed as 'free' but it ain't

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Dug02:

mchou... no had cable and turned it off... then comcast never disconnected because the my car sits over the cable box :)

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Juski:

so that's technically theft then

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mchou:

Dug02: car sits over the cable box??

[22:57:52]

mchou:

the box on the curb?

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Dug02:

yup... the cable connection box... yes

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mchou:

Dug02: lol

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Zider:

and of course I can't find any overscan mode that fits.. :P

[22:58:16]

Dug02:

I have a parking spot and the cable box is direclty under it

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Juski:

they could unplug you from their street cabinet if they have them

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Dug02:

they havent

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mchou:

Juski: that's what Dug02 was talking about

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laga:

Juski: they could... i've read that some german cable companies don't disconnect you because it's too expensive to send a technician

[22:59:04]

Dug02:

the street connection is under my car

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Juski:

lol

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mchou:

Dug02: so you "planned" that, eh?

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mchou:

made sure you were strategically placed :)

[23:00:16]

Dug02:

mchou it wasnt far from my thought that they might not diconnect

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Dug02:

or be able to disconnect

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Juski:

laga: we have that here too despite the street furniture being placed in easily accessiblespots

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mchou:

Dug02: well, good luck dude :)

[23:01:08]

mchou:

Dug02: be thankful you even get analog :)

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Dug02:

mchou so I have HDTV availble Ijust need to find a freq listing... I have tried to scan with no luck, any one using a pchdtv to get hdtv ?

[23:02:27]

mchou:

Dug02: which neighborhood is this in SF?

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Dug02:

Haight

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mchou:

haha!!

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mchou:

Dug02: you commune hippie

[23:03:17]

mchou:

hehe

[23:03:48]

mchou:

Dug02: you get inet from comcast too? :)

[23:03:54]

Dug02:

nope

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Juski:

time I disabled EIT & went back to xmltv

[23:04:06]

Dug02:

that would be cool though

[23:04:12]

mchou:

Dug02: lol

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Dug02:

I wonder if thats possible :)

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Mattwj2005:

man I tell you...Knoppmyth sure saves a lot of work :-P

[23:04:23]

mchou:

Dug02: then they'd be on to you

[23:04:31]

Dug02:

possibly

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Mattwj2005:

more pride in compiling from source though

[23:04:57]

mchou:

Dug02: I dont get it......

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mchou:

Why dont you just get the Silver Sensor indoor antenna and point it at Sutro?

[23:05:59]

mchou:

Dug02: cheap, and you probably get better reception than crappy comcast

[23:06:26]

mchou:

Dug02: and you wont break any federal laws :)

[23:07:05]

Dug02:

but I still need the frequencies

[23:07:12]

mchou:

Dug02: huh??

[23:07:28]

mchou:

Dug02: frequencies are easy to get

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Dug02:

ok

[23:07:54]

Dug02:

how come when I scan I dont find any hd channels

[23:08:22]

mchou:

Cause your settings are wrong

[23:08:56]

mchou:

or maybe myth scanning doesnt work all that well

[23:09:14]

mchou:

but you should verify that it works OUTSIDE of myth

[23:09:22]

Dug02:

how do i do that?

[23:09:28]

mchou:

Dug02: RTFM

[23:09:34]

Dug02:

thanks

[23:09:46]

mchou:

Dug02: I'm not kidding

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mchou:

Dug02: it's all frigging covered in linuxtv.org

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Juski:

0.19-fixes has plenty scanning improvements

[23:10:56]

Dug02:

I have .19

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Juski:

0.19 lets you import a channels.conf – dunno if that's any good to you for ATSC though

[23:11:46]

mchou:

quite frankly you should do due diligence of making sure it works outside of myth

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** Juski strongly agrees **

[23:12:06]

Zider:

Juski: so once you found a nice overscan.. how do you save it? :P

[23:12:11]

mchou:

regardless of which myth version youi use or have

[23:12:22]

Juski:

it can save you shed loads of bother to test your hardware outside of mythtv

[23:12:27]

Dug02:

mchou... can you point me to the manual... because I cannot find one that tells me how to scan outside of myth

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Dug02:

I know I saw it once... but I cannot seem to relocate it

[23:12:46]

Juski:

Dug02: he just did.. loads of info at linuxtv.org

[23:13:02]

Dug02:

Juski: where on linuxtv?

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mchou:

lol

[23:13:22]

Juski:

Zider: can honestly say I can't remember. I think it just uses the last settings when you restart it

[23:13:41]

Juski:

Dug02: if you can't be bothered to even look...

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Juski:

what I know about ATSC can be written on my little fingernail because... I have no interest in it

[23:14:20]

Dug02:

I am looking.... http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

[23:14:51]

Juski:

can you use a mouse?

[23:14:54]

Juski:

and read?

[23:15:19]

Dug02:

Juski: so thats a I dont know... from you...

[23:15:37]

Dug02:

Juski: otherwise you could just say check out this article...

[23:15:55]

mchou:

Dug02: google azap

[23:16:28]

mchou:

Dug02: stuff is even documented in the myth official docs

[23:16:42]

mchou:

Dug02: dont be a fscking lamer

[23:17:23]

Dug02:

mchou: right

[23:18:00]

Dug02:

mchou : or you guys could have just helped me out and said check out azap

[23:18:24]

mchou:

Dug02: I just did, ahole

[23:18:25]

Dug02:

but instead you decided to go the RTFM route...

[23:18:48]

Dug02:

mchou: whatever..... damn chill dude

[23:18:53]

mchou:

Dug02: wtf should we help you when you didnt even cover the basics?

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** dscoular wakes up to raised voices **

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** laga gets the drill ready for some serious lobotomies **

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laga:

play nice, kids

[23:19:52]

Juski:

I'm looking on the topic line to see if anything's mentioned about being all nice & hand-holding...

[23:19:56]

Juski:

:-P

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mchou:

I dont see anything in the topic regarding spoonfeeding either

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Dug02:

mchou: I can tried this http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Adding_Q . . . _Tuner_Cards twice with no luck on finding channels... I did my basics ... then I came here ...

[23:20:30]

qwarlock:

hey people

[23:20:45]

qwarlock:

ok is anyone using Myth on 2.6.16?

[23:20:50]

Juski:

there are people here?!

[23:20:55]

qwarlock:

heh heh

[23:21:20]

qwarlock:

I can not get ivtv to compile to support Myth on 2.6.16

[23:21:30]

Juski:

qwarlock: you tried ivtv 0.6.x ?

[23:21:31]

Zider:

qwarlock: yes, 2.6.16 here

[23:21:39]

Zider:

but not ivtv :P

[23:21:41]

janneg:

qwarlock: I remember. the compile error is in tests?

[23:21:53]

mchou:

Dug02: that's not official docs

[23:22:12]

mchou:

Dug02: whoever wrote that is hopelessly confused

[23:22:16]

Dug02:

mchou : I cant find offical how to scan for QAM channels....

[23:22:19]

qwarlock:

Zider: oh what do you use instead of ivtv? I thought Myth neeed it

[23:22:39]

janneg:

I saw that too, ignore it and remove tests from the makefile

[23:22:39]

qwarlock:

janneg : no it is in ivtv-detect.c

[23:22:49]

Zider:

I don't even know what ivtv is

[23:22:55]

qwarlock:

seems to be a struct that is not compatable with the new kernel

[23:22:56]

mchou:

Dug02: I just told you, in the official myth docs

[23:23:19]

dscoular:

Zider, it trives the hauppauge pvr??? cards

[23:23:22]

Juski:

qwarlock: are you trying ivtv 0.6.x ????

[23:23:30]

qwarlock:

Just yes

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dscoular:

s/trives/drives

[23:23:48]

Zider:

dscoular: ahh, I don't have one of those

[23:23:49]

Juski:

okay... that established, I can bow out

[23:23:54]

Juski:

;-)

[23:23:59]

qwarlock:

heh hhe heh

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mchou:

Dug02: Editor's Note: I have found MythTV's scanner to not do an adequate job of finding the appropriate channels. In order to ensure that all channels you are able to receive are found it is suggested to use the dvb-apps scan utility.

[23:24:03]

mchou:

--Steveadeff 23:57, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

[23:24:23]

mchou:

Dug02: that's a fscking direct quote from your link

[23:24:24]

qwarlock:

man its going to suck if I have to drop back to 2.45 to get Myth up

[23:24:26]

Juski:

qwarlock: try the ivtv mailing list – at least searching it

[23:24:40]

Zider:

my card is a bttv card.. it's all in the kernel already..

[23:24:55]

Dug02:

mchou: yes.. I see you can read

[23:25:05]

qwarlock:

I saw one other guy there with the same error but it was not responded to

[23:25:11]

janneg:

qwarlock: it might be an issue with the kernel includes

[23:25:15]

dscoular:

qwarlock, whats the error... can you put it up on pastebin.ca

[23:25:17]

** Dug02 patch mchou on the back **

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mchou:

Dug02: so why are you still asking?

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Juski:

qwarlock: someone might be over in #ivtv-dev who can help

[23:25:25]

Dug02:

mchou not

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qwarlock:

hmmmmm I have a Haupage350 can I use a driver set other than ivtv?

[23:25:33]

laga:

qwarlock: no.

[23:25:38]

qwarlock:

grrrrrrr

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Juski:

qwarlock: heh. not a chance

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Dug02:

asking anymore..

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** qwarlock faints **

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mchou:

Dug02: luser!

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qwarlock:

no I was just there...they said "Hey have you tried mythtv-users"?

[23:26:14]

Dug02:

mchou: same to you my friend

[23:26:16]

qwarlock:

heh heh

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dscoular:

qwarlock, can you put the error up on pastebin.ca ?

[23:26:50]

qwarlock:

hmmmmmmm

[23:26:54]

qwarlock:

I can try

[23:26:58]

qwarlock:

is that a web site?

[23:27:02]

janneg:

qwarlock: change HDRDIR in utils/Makefile to PATH_OF_2.6.16/include

[23:27:02]

dscoular:

yes

[23:27:14]

Juski:

qwarlock: lol @ the cross-referral

[23:27:37]

mchou:

Dug02: that's your so-called retort? It doesnt even make sense, nor does it possess an ounce or originality

[23:27:55]

qwarlock:

oooo janneg will that get me there?! YES! no more 2.45!

[23:28:00]

qwarlock:

I will try it

[23:28:41]

mchou:

Dug02: you're so worthless you cant even give me any entertainment value

[23:28:55]

Juski:

I just noticed something. mythtv-setup warns you that mythbackend is still running, right – so I assume it's best practice to stop mythbackend first... but when you quit out of setup it says to run mythfilldatabase. now forgive me if I'm wrong but if you run mythfilldatabase when the backend isn't running it won't work ;-)

[23:29:02]

Dug02:

mchou: ah... well let me explain it for your 3rd grade school yard mentality... same = you.. so same to you means .. you are a loser... especially because you spelled it luser

[23:29:12]

janneg:

I changed that, since me kernel headers in /usr/include/linux are older than 2.6.16

[23:29:27]

Dug02:

mchou: then stop talking

[23:29:46]

mchou:

Dug02: unlike you, I've been thru graduate school

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laga:

Juski: mythfilldatabase will work just fine without mythbackend :) it can't make mythbackend re-schedule then, though

[23:29:54]

Juski:

ahhh

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Dug02:

mchou: I have a phd

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Juski:

never trust late-night brainwaves

[23:30:14]

Dug02:

mchou: did you go to san jose state?

[23:30:20]

mchou:

Dug02: so?? you have a phd and you can be bothered to read docs?

[23:30:20]

** dscoular shakes his head **

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Zider:

Dug02 and mchou: coulkd you take your poo throwing in private? this doesn't help anyone..

[23:30:31]

mchou:

Dug02: lol

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mchou:

Dug02: try MIT

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laga:

Dug02, mchou: you're both a bunch of retards. stop flaming now, or do it somewhere else where it doesn't annoy the hell outta 200 other people

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Dug02:

laga... I agree

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Juski:

is this channel logged? and cached by google? will someone think of the children?

[23:32:18]

dscoular:

yes

[23:32:23]

mchou:

Dug02: sure it's logged

[23:32:58]

mchou:

get this Dug02 cable-stealing 3rd grader preserved for the feds.

[23:33:15]

** laga strangles mchou **

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Zider:

Juski: screw the children (just not literally) ;)

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Juski:

lol

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mchou:

laga: it's not as if what I just said wasnt the truth.

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Dug02:

Zider: sorry I am just trying to ignore mchou... I cant believe I got roped into that bs

[23:34:05]

Juski:

you said that and for some reason a Gary Glitter song began in my head. you evil bastard

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qwarlock:

hmmmm

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laga:

mchou: yes, but this BS is not related to mythtv.

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Zider:

Dug02: /ignore for that

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Dug02:

thz

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Dug02:

thx

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qwarlock:

nope no matter what I do I get "cap" has incomplete type

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hashbang:

Juski: yup, I stop mythbackend whilst running setup, and restart it before running mythfilldatabase

[23:35:21]

qwarlock:

janneg : where is cap actually defined ?

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Juski:

hashbang: so do I, but I was just thinking of the poor noobs

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Juski:

mythfilldabase – error! oh no!

[23:37:12]

hashbang:

Juski: yeah, the -setup probably ought to warn if backend is running (playing with the tuner under backend's feet can screw the driver, and require a reboot for instance)

[23:37:29]

hashbang:

Juski: and it ought to say 'restart mythbackend and run mythfill...'

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dscoular:

Wonder why mythfilldatabase would need to connect to mythbackend ?

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qwarlock:

well that sort of gets me thinking a bit though I gues

[23:38:30]

Juski:

hashbang: setup does warn that mythbackend is still running – at least in 0.19 does

[23:39:30]

Juski:

qwarlock: I'd make a post to the ivtv ML anyway – include as much detail as you can. might be a quick fix, or could bring other people out of the woodwork to expedite a fix

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GreyFoxx:

dscoular: it sends a signal to tell the backend to reprocess the schedule recordings with any new programming data

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dscoular:

It shouldn't I guess... as the restart of myth could presumably re-check

[23:41:11]

janneg:

qwarlock: I don't know. pointing to the include dir of the installed kernel worked for me

[23:41:32]

Juski:

btw guys – OT, but if you ever have to move a lightswitch, try to avoid it if you've been used to where it is for a few years

[23:41:32]

qwarlock:

did you ahve that same "cap" error?

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GreyFoxx:

dscoular: uhhh why would you restart the backend after pulling in new programming data when you can just tell it to reprocess it's schedules ?

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qwarlock:

Juski I will do that

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dscoular:

dscoular, ah... doh! I was only thinking of mythfilldatabase w.r.t mythtv-setup... you are right.

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dscoular:

s/dscoular/GreyFoxx/

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dscoular:

Doh!

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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Juski:

hashbang: you might know this... I've just deleted all my channels (DVB), rescanned, then set up the video source. Now I have 2 lots of channels – one with xmltv ids and one without. Is that cos I did the video source setup & scan in the wrong order?

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laga:

i think mythtv doesn't know what channel belongs to which xmltvid

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laga:

so you need to edit the scanned channels and put the xmltvid in there

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Juski:

yeh but the xmltv grabber has inserted channels

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laga:

sure. but without frequency etc.

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Juski:

dvb channels don't have frequencies as such

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Juski:

tricky to know which is which

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laga:

you know what i mean, smart-ass :)

[23:48:12]

Juski:

at least in mythweb anyway

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dscoular:

Last night before I went to sleep I did an svn co of 0.19-fixes and got "Checked out revision 9947."

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laga:

tune to them and write it down

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hashbang:

Juski: could be. I just use dvbscan to create a channels.conf then import it.

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qwarlock:

grrrr this looks like something I could just fix

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dscoular:

This morning when I woke up did: svn update and got At revision 9953. But no other output messages

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hashbang:

Juski: doing that also gives me the chance to sort the channels the way I like.

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Juski:

hashbang: ahh. one lot of channels has numbers in the channum field, the other things like 'BBCN' – truncated channel names

[23:49:45]

hashbang:

weird.

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hashbang:

that's not right. :-)

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dscoular:

how can the revision number change without any of the files being changed ?

[23:50:09]

dscoular:

I'm new to svn sorry

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laga:

dscoular: that's normal. there was new stuff checked into trunk, that's why the revision for 0.19-fixes increased as well

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Juski:

gonna take a wild guess that the ones with BBCN in the channum field are the ones uk_rt shoved in there

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dscoular:

ah...

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dscoular:

that explains a lot

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Juski:

sod it – deleting all the channels & video sources again

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laga:

night guys

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Juski:

nowt to lose – it's a spare system after all

[23:53:10]

Juski:

night laga.. keep the mrs happy tomorrow ;)

[23:53:34]

laga:

Juski: not gonna see her tomorrow...

[23:53:56]

Juski:

ah. oh well..

[23:54:43]

laga:

btw: she was joking a few hours ago (unfortunately)

[23:54:53]

Juski:

figured

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laga:

anyways, night :)

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dscoular:

Just gonna create a patch for the gridguide.cpp fix for ticket #1803

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Juski:

funny retort though ;) night :)

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qwarlock:

hmmmm VIDIOC_QUERYCAP is defined in videodev2.h but it does not seem to be seeing it

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dscoular:

s/gridguide/guidegrid/

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** dscoular brain is still in neutral **

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Kelerion:

evening all

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qwarlock:

hey Kel: hmmm I soooo want to join the MythTV club...one more compile!!!!

[23:57:45]

Kelerion:

good for you :)

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Juski:

evening Kelerion. how's it going? I'm playing with the demo box here

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Kelerion:

demo box?

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Kelerion:

oh!

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Kelerion:

cool

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Juski:

lugradio == say no more

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Juski:

;)

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Kelerion:

yup yup

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Juski:

main stage, demo guy drunk...

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Kelerion:

not been here for a while.. thought I'd pop in and remember the good ol' days.. lol

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