Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, May 19th, 2006, 00:01 UTC

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Juski:

hell make distclean to be on the safe side aswell...

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Ryushin:

Hmm... It's still finding the wrapper. I deleted /usr/X11R6/lib/libXvMCW*

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Juski:

deleting them was maybe unwise

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Ryushin:

Well, I renamed them actually.

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kormoc:

well, can always just reinstall

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dscoular:

Mattwj2005, maybe mythcomflagg is slightly i/o bound too

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Juski:

XvMC libs -lXvMCNVIDIA

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Juski:

didn't say that before, I don't think

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Mattwj2005:

anything I can do about it dscoular?

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dscoular:

not really

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Mattwj2005:

thanks

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Ryushin:

Juski: You're further along than I am. Mine still finding the wrapper. How, I don't know.

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Mattwj2005:

nice to know what is up :)

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Juski:

right I'm still not gonna stay up til this has finished compiling

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Juski:

Mattwj2005: indeed it is.

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warthog9:

how do you get a remote to work with mythtv, lirc is setup i'm just not seeing how to enable that within mythtv?

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Juski:

another beer I owe you kormoc

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Ryushin:

renaming them doesn't work. I had to move them out of the lib directory.

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_nero_:

warthog9, you need to set up a lircrc file in your .mythtv dirctory.

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kormoc:

Juski, heh, you're welcome

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Juski:

warthog9: check this out: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-8.html#ss8.6

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warthog9:

ahhh thank you

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kpanic:

it is possible to run mythtv on powerpc (debian)?

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Mattwj2005:

what do you guys think about adding a Wikipedia lookup function for Myth Music? Maybe even for TV/movies?

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dscoular:

imdb lookup is already there for mythvideo

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Juski:

I think it'd be too much info to show on an SDTV, but otherwise, bring it on

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dscoular:

allmusic.com has wider coverage methinks

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Mattwj2005:

what about for music? Amarok currently has that function

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Mattwj2005:

oh

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Juski:

beware of scraping from html sites ;-)

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dscoular:

but yeah... good idea

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Juski:

thats something.. have imdb ever said anything?

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_nero_:

One nice thing about movies/tv shows on wikipedia, is there is discussion/etc on the episodes/movie..

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Juski:

kormoc: my beering you was premature.. /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXvMCNVIDIA

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Mattwj2005:

I just like Wikipedia's site because it is GPL

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dscoular:

Good point

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_nero_:

so it might be nice to have a mythbrowser lookup on wikipedia..

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_nero_:

(for this with higher def tvs.. ;) )

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kormoc:

Juski, icky... do you have libXvMCNVIDIA?

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** _nero_ is really starting to love prototype.. **

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kormoc:

Juski, I have /usr/lib/libXvMCNVIDIA_dynamic.so.1 /usr/lib/libXvMCNVIDIA.so.1.0.8756 /usr/lib/libXvMCNVIDIA.a

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Juski:

right I'll try finding em

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dscoular:

javascript's prototype library ?

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Mattwj2005:

if this was ever implement....we should ask for permission....bandwidth is expensive

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Juski:

kormoc: err nup

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_nero_:

dscoular, yes.

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Juski:

time to apt-cache search again

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kormoc:

Juski, well, I wonder what your distro/nvidia installer did with them

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_nero_:

its making my life MUCH easier on a client's site I am developing..

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dscoular:

_nero_, did you see Google released their java -> javascript AJAX toolkit

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_nero_:

and I see all kinds of potential for mythweb..

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kormoc:

Juski, it is provided by the nvidia driver, fyi

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_nero_:

dscoular, yes I did.. but I am not big into Java.. :/

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Mattwj2005:

AJAX!

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Mattwj2005:

:P

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Juski:

kormoc: I didn't have nvidia-glx-dev

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kormoc:

ahh

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Juski:

that'd do it

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dscoular:

_nero_, I understand but OO javascript can be hard work... especially with "this" ambiguities.

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_nero_:

dscoular, yup.. ;) but I've been doing OO javascript for years.. so I am kind of used to it..

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Juski:

reinstalled umbongo last night – forgot about that package

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dscoular:

_nero_, I'm actually holding out for apache's incubation of zimbra.com's javascript libraries.

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_nero_:

humm.. zimbra.com.. I'll have to look into that..

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_nero_:

dog's gotta go out.. brb

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Mattwj2005:

what the heck is umbongo?

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Mattwj2005:

:-s

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dscoular:

_nero_, it's the most dynamic/slick use of AJAX I've seen thus far.

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dscoular:

ubuntu = umbongo

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Mattwj2005:

oh okay

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kormoc:

dscoular, doesn't work in opera ;)

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dscoular:

Personally, I prefer ubuntu

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dscoular:

dscoular, bugger

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dscoular:

oops

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dscoular:

kormoc, bugger!

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** dscoular becomes self referential accidentally **

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Juski:

hmm the wiki mentions XvMCW but not in the sense that we've been talking about

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Juski:

might be worth discussing on the dev list first

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** kormoc nods **

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kormoc:

dscoular, still, looks snazzy

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Juski:

now a search of the dev list produces this: XvMCW is wrapper library

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Juski:

that allows you to use any of one the others at runtime by updating

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Juski:

/etc/X11/XvMCConfig.

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Juski:

erm... can't say I've seen _that_ mentioned anywhere

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kormoc:

hrm, interesting

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kormoc:

so maybe it was just failing due to that file not being setup right

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dscoular:

There was a patch against Xorg that said it had been looking in the wrong place for that config file.

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Juski:

erm.. I don't have that file...

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Juski:

the plot thickens

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_nero_:

dscoular, thats pretty slick..

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dscoular:

especially if it gets out as an official apache project.

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dscoular:

it's the best I've seen thus far on the whole AJAX (I hate that term) wui front

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dscoular:

openlaszlo is also trying to develop a dhtml alternative to their flash front end too

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dscoular:

but it's way early days.

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dscoular:

Oh... and then there's zk1.sf.net which totally blew me away!

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_nero_:

the stuff I am doing is more ajax, less dhtml fanciness.. client needs to list huge lists of equipment, and update locations day by day..

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dscoular:

I can't beleive they are getting more wide spread coverage

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_nero_:

old method had about 40k worth of data coming up, and every time they updated a machine, it had to reload the entire 40k.. was sloooow..

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dscoular:

s/are/aren't/

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** dscoular having off day **

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dscoular:

Yeah... being able to do callbacks is great (although in 1999 when we launched foxsports.com.au it destroyed the site)

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dscoular:

one page resulted in 50 callbacks!!!

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dscoular:

When the site had 5 visitors the server froze

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_nero_:

hehe.. well this site is an employee only site..

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dscoular:

5 * 50 = 250 similtaneous connections

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_nero_:

and this particular module has 2 employees that have access to it.. so it shouldn't be too bad.

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dscoular:

They pulled the entire site... they had flown in a dhtml developer from London to Sydney especially to design the site ... hee hee

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Juski:

jesus. this bit of the docs was easy to miss: http://66.249.93.104/search?q=cache:oeUsg7TN9 . . . nt=firefox-a

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dscoular:

_nero_, no... I'm sure its right for your application... its just one thing to be wary of for high volume sites.

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dscoular:

Juski, great link

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Juski:

and finally... http://www.redhat.com/archives/rhl-devel-list . . . sg00183.html

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Juski:

all the other sites saying "yeah great you have to configure that file correctly" but not fscking saying what you _need_ to put in there

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Juski:

is anyone taking this down? :-P

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dscoular:

what a bunch of fcnt'ls ;)

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dscoular:

Juski, What's the behaviour if it's not present I wonder.

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dscoular:

It says it will tell you it failed to find it but is that just a warning or an error ?

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Juski:

dscoular: xine defaults to trying for the nvidia xvmc first

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dscoular:

Ah... cool

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Juski:

myth doesn't check AFAIK

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Juski:

or it's relying on the wrapper, which looks in the (non-existent on my system) config file

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dscoular:

To be honest, I gave up playing with XvMC, since I have CPU to spare and only an SD telly

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dscoular:

It also gave me greyscale OSD at the time

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Juski:

and I'll be honest – I'm not convinced XvMC will solve the problem I had with judderry video

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Juski:

dscoular: there's a workaround for that (see the wiki on xvmc)

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dscoular:

yeah... I know... but then I thought... why am I bothering I only have SD and no judders

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Juski:

I think it might be xvmc though – I managed to play a 720p file in xine with it – totally smooooth as...

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Juski:

CPU was pegged out without it

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dscoular:

what CPU ?

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Juski:

athlon 800

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dscoular:

Eeee... I understand your need for XvMC then

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Juski:

I didn't quite expect it to work

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Juski:

anyway though – the wrapper business making X segfault – baaad

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dscoular:

I never had a problem... just installed the NVidia driver, recompiled myth, configured it to use XvMC, then turned it off

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plb:

Juski: yep myth can play bin/cues ;]

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plb:

I see there is an imdb script to download covers? can it fetch them automagically?

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dscoular:

yep

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Juski:

one at a time it can

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plb:

I suppose it goes by the file name? rather then the directory name?

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dscoular:

plb, yes

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Juski:

right... the little shennanigans are documented (ish): http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=11507#11507

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Juski:

too tired for wiki editing – don't wanna fuck it up

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AngryElf:

what kind of audio does HD-cable/firewire come with? 5.1?

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plb:

does the file name have to be the exact name of the movie?

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Juski:

AngryElf: depends on the channel / cable provider

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Juski:

plb: press I when you've selected a file in video manager. you'll see

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Juski:

edit the title to look like the movie title

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plb:

ok thanks

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Juski:

when you first go in it'll be the filename

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Juski:

press I > edit metadata

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Juski:

go out of there when you're done, then search IMDB

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plb:

thanks

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Juski:

right – doing make install now – I'll just have time to quickly test it before going to bed

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Juski:

erm... no segfault this time, but all I get is a blue screen

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Juski:

oops spoke too soon

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Juski:

xvmc is def. working though

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kormoc:

yay

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Juski:

mythbackend is using like 40% CPU!

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plb:

nice!

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dscoular:

good work!

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Juski:

cpu is totally pegged, which is why I'm getting the judderring

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Juski:

heh.. and the OSD hasn't faded out completely... lol

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Juski:

I read about that – not fixed yet then

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Juski:

aaaand mythfrontend just segfaulted

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Juski:

not a bad nights' work

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kormoc:

heh, well, least XvMC is working :)

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kormoc:

g'luck with the rest of it, cause I'm out of here :)

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** dscoular waves **

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Juski:

night kormoc.. you is a star man

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Juski:

haven't felt like this since first getting mythtv to work – all the late nights I pulled. don't wanna sleep now

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_nero_:

Feed the addiction Juski..

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_nero_:

;)

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Juski:

this osd looks like screenburn

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Juski:

last thing, I promise myself... the RED button stuff

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_nero_:

uh oh.. what does the red button do??

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dscoular:

oooh the shiney red button

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Juski:

interactive, allegedly

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Juski:

svn has a sleep timer!

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Weezey:

why can't I skip (End key) with the telnet interface?

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Juski:

hehehe.. wooooo! mythtv is gonna slay every other pc-based pc platform going.. if only people can learn to love linux

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Juski:

Weezey: no idea. if it wasn't 2.30 in the morning I might've looked in the source

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Weezey:

Juski: sounds like a good answer

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Weezey:

Juski: home/end not implemented, but q and z do work and do the same thing.

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Juski:

heheh cool

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Juski:

just recording from an interactive stream right now – some live music

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Juski:

well not really _live_

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ole_schoola:

Juski: first go around with svn?

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scottder:

Hey all, is there a quick and dirty way to make Playlists for MythMusic outside of MythTV itself

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Juski:

ole_schoola: nah – I played with it before 0.19 was released

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Juski:

scottder: someone once made a script to import winamp playlists – search the mailing lists

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ole_schoola:

heh, my setup was most stable when i was tracking svn not long before Isaac broke livetv, need to go back

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ole_schoola:

these pkgs are killin me

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Juski:

I've had some fun tonight getting xvmc to work

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ole_schoola:

slow cpu?

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Juski:

800mhz

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ole_schoola:

egad

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scottder:

/me doesn't feel so bad about his 1ghz machine now

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scottder:

:)

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Juski:

this is a box I'm gonna use for doing demos at a linux expo this summer

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Juski:

nice & nippy now though ;)

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ole_schoola:

it'll be great for SD

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Juski:

well since we don't yet have free HDTV in the UK...

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ole_schoola:

are they still dicking around with crystal palace?

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Juski:

I played a 720p mpeg2 in xine last night though – smooth as

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Juski:

ole_schoola: there's a trial going on in london – no idea how long it'll last or when the bbc plan to roll it out all over

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Juski:

and apparently the bbc launched HD on a satellite the other day

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Juski:

FTA, too

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Juski:

very little info about it though

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Juski:

hmmm. if you press R while in livetv when there's no program data, myth will only record for 30 minutes won't it?

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Juski:

right.. bedtime

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Juski:

night all

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ole_schoola:

as soon as i get the space to thow up a real dish, im getting the Motorola 4D and sidecar

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ole_schoola:

thow/throw

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ole_schoola:

my content, my wat, ala carte

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ole_schoola:

im sick of the cable and baby satellites

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Mattwj2005:

what else is there?

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ole_schoola:

real satellite C and Ku band

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ole_schoola:

the BIG dish, member those?

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Mattwj2005:

yeah what is the advantage of those?

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Mattwj2005:

they are analog and they are huge

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ole_schoola:

netsm around the globe, over 200 FTA, many in HD

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ole_schoola:

best part is, if you want pay channels, you can pick them alacarte

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Mattwj2005:

netsm? fta?

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ole_schoola:

nets .. networks

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ole_schoola:

free-to-air, not scrambled/encrypted

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Mattwj2005:

that is pretty cool....

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Mattwj2005:

I didn't know about the whole HDTV thing

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ole_schoola:

http://www.callnps.com/motorola_4DTV.pdf

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ole_schoola:

when i worked in media avails, we had a complete cable headend setup in the killing house, errr.... test lab

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stevenm:

Myth 0.19 supplies a LIRC config file, and the howto says that mythtv has "native LIRC support". In the config file, all commands refer to the program irxevent. But, the sample config files dont ever specify what lirc commands myth responds to

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ole_schoola:

lotsa analog receivers and auth CAMs, five dish on the roof

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Mattwj2005:

what do you use to order programming

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stevenm:

so WHERE is the config file that configures mythtv's LIRC button mapping?

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ole_schoola:

local retailers, on the web

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Mattwj2005:

you got any web sites handy?

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Mattwj2005:

:P

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ole_schoola:

got to the above address, minus the pdf ;)

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ole_schoola:

go to

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Netslayer:

adante, you try those svn builds yet?

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Mattwj2005:

the whole moving the dish is a pain though :(

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Mattwj2005:

then again they do have packages starting at $16.50 a month....woot woot Stargate :P

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dscoular:

stevenm, irxevent is used when you do not have mythtv built with native lirc support.

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Mattwj2005:

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opello:

geez

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mchou:

unbelievable, dell is gonna use AMD chips.....

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Sedorox:

I can't wait :p

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mchou:

wonder which chipset AMD will select for AMD

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mchou:

I menat Dell

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mchou:

meant*

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Sedorox:

AMD doesn't make their own anymore, do they?

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mchou:

Sedorox: nope

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Sedorox:

hopefully nforce

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Sedorox:

I hope not via/sis

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mchou:

if Dell comes out with AMD Desktops I might actually buy one from them

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Sedorox:

heeh

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mchou:

makes more sense than BYO

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Sedorox:

looks like its just gonna be servers right now

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mchou:

Sedorox: doh!

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Sedorox:

thats what I get out of it anyway

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mchou:

I guess Michael Dell in the end is a businessman

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mchou:

not some intel zealot

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mchou:

loosing too much money "intel only" shop :)

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Sedorox:

I think what burned everyone

[04:05:55]

Sedorox:

itanium (sp?)

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Sedorox:

dell pushed it... HP (especially) pushed it...

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Sedorox:

and *poof*

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mchou:

Sedorox: you mean titantic

[04:06:16]

Sedorox:

sucked ass

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Sedorox:

ahahah

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Sedorox:

that too

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mchou:

Sad thing is by the Dell comes out with AMD boxes Intel might be back on top again

[04:09:56]

Sedorox:

I think its gonna be a tight race for now on

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Sedorox:

Intel still exceeds in certain thigns

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Sedorox:

but AMD has gaming hands down

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Sedorox:

('tho its been close with core-shit out)

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Netslayer:

i love amd, dual core opteron o/c'd from 2.0 to 2.8 on stock cooler :-P

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Sedorox:

lol

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Sedorox:

I've been a amd fanboy for a while

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Netslayer:

of cours it is cooking at idle :-P CPU Temp: +61 C

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mchou:

man, that's rather hot

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mchou:

what the hell is the temp at load? :)

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Netslayer:

heh... might touch 80

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Netslayer:

it's stable though..barely

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mchou:

damn

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Netslayer:

and i have two raptor 10k's on raid 0

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Netslayer:

i boot gentoo into kde within 30 seconds

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mchou:

Netslayer: what mobo you use with opteron?

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Netslayer:

lanboy dfi

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Netslayer:

not sure which one.. second highest i think

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mchou:

huh??

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mchou:

didnt dfi made server boards

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mchou:

didnt know dfi made server boards

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mchou:

is this a 940 or 939?

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Netslayer:

one of these http://www.dfi.com.tw/Product/xx_product_lput . . . &SITE=US

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Netslayer:

939

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** Sedorox looks at his intel **

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Netslayer:

it's a normal desktop board

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mchou:

939s are not opterons

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Netslayer:

yes they are.. there are both

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Netslayer:

this opteron is the same as a athlon X2 but it's marked as opteron cause it passed a higher test at the factory

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Sedorox:

$ cat acpi/thermal_zone/THM0/temperature

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Sedorox:

temperature: 62 C

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Sedorox:

P4 Prescott HT/EE

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Netslayer:

DFI LANPARTY UT nF4 SLI-DR Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 SLI ATX AMD Motherboard – Retail

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Netslayer:

model name : Dual Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 170

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Netslayer:

nice

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Sedorox:

yummy.. opteron

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newevmsuser:

my bedroom gets too hot cause of amd though... i've always had amd chips and usually nforce boards but i do get sick of the heat and the noise

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mchou:

newevmsuser: what are you talking about?? AMD chips are coller than intels, at least the cureent ones

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mchou:

current*

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newevmsuser:

i have a fileserver that has an old pentium chip i think and no heatsink at all.

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Netslayer:

heh

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newevmsuser:

oh i'm still running an athalon 2400 overclocked

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newevmsuser:

its great in the winter thought

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Netslayer:

heh

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Netslayer:

ugg >>> Emerging (1 of 407) sys-libs/ncurses-5.5-r2 to /

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Netslayer:

haven't updated in a while

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Netslayer:

hu Oct 13 09:16:52 2005 >>> x11-base/xorg-x11–6.8.2-r6 merge time: 31 minutes and 28 seconds. :-P

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bunder:

anyone bought a tv tuner compatible with mythtv from tigerdirect?

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Sembiance:

Hi folks!

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Sembiance:

So I've been running mysqlbackend for a long time now. I used to have my front end and backened on the same box

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Sembiance:

well I just created a seperate front end, choosing to use the latest knoppmyth to make a frontend install

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Sembiance:

anyways the latest knoppmyth says it only understand server protocol version 26, but my backend is only speaking 15

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Sembiance:

what mythtv backened do I have to update to in order to be compatible with level 26?

[04:51:17]

Sembiance:

by the way where I say mysqlbackend, I meant mythtvbackend ;)

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xris:

Sembiance: probably .19... but hard to say. mythfrontend --version will probably tell you

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Netslayer:

Sembiance, you need to match exact myth releases

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Sembiance:

Looks like the front end is 0.19

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metalac:

hey guys

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metalac:

<metalac> i have problem when i run mythtv-setup

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metalac:

all i get is:

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metalac:

Using runtime prefix = /usr

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metalac:

New DB connection, total: 1

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metalac:

and that's itm it just sits there any clue what's up?

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xris:

Sembiance: then it's time to upgrade your backend, or use an older knopmyth on the new box.

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xris:

metalac: mythtv-setup -v all

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metalac:

same thing

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xris:

strace?

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metalac:

i looked at the log for mythtvbackend

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metalac:

it says that there is not Backend IP found and I need to run setup

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metalac:

where does mythtv keep it's config files?

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metalac:

and strace spits out al ot of stuff and just freezes at one point

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metalac:

it tries to connect to some server it seems

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metalac:

ahhhhh i had to edit /etc/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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metalac:

put in correct username and pass

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Sembiance:

emerge mythtv

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Sembiance:

rofl wish me luck on that rofl

[05:14:22]

Sembiance:

it's upgrading from 0.18 to 0.19 hope I don't lose all my recorded shows and settings

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** Sembiance trusts in gentoo. **

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Netslayer:

crap my box just froze

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Netslayer:

nice.. had to unemerge coldplug and pam.. now i cant login at terminal, network card's down heh

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Mattwj2005:

well I got WinMyth going....anyone need any help?

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Mattwj2005:

I still don't have live tv working though

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Mattwj2005:

any ideas on why live tv is killing the app?

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Netslayer:

check your logs

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catisonh:

does anyone know the command that mythtv uses to convert to mpeg4?

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catisonh:

I want to transcode to a different format and transcode fails when I try it at the command line

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bird603568:

does the pvr150 work with a 64bit OS?

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Netslayer:

bird603568, why not?

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Netslayer:

catisonh, check out mythtranscode

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xris:

catisonh: you want nuvexport

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dscoular:

mythtranscode uses the libraries directly methinks... rather than actual "transcode" the command.

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xris:

mythtranscode uses libavformat just like the rest of myth. it *only* converts to mpeg4/rtjpeg nupplevideo...

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dscoular:

so you want nuvexport and friends

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dscoular:

actually nuvexport doesn't have any friends ;)

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xris:

dscoular: it will... mythexport and mytharchive. someday

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dscoular:

hee hee

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xris:

of course, my goal is for mythexport to KILL nuvexport... so they're probably not friends.

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bird603568:

i heard somewhere where the pvr150 doesnt play well with amd64's

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bird603568:

but it sounds like crap to me

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xris:

bird603568: it should work just fine

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Netslayer:

i'm about ready to give up compiling myth from this svn ebuild.. i don't get what in the config is causing it to fail

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xris:

software-wise, anyway

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bird603568:

score

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Netslayer:

../../libs/libmythtv/libmythtv-0.19.so: undefined reference to `dvdnav_get_serial_number'

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xris:

Netslayer: libdvdnav

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xris:

no idea what gentoo calls it, but that's the library

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Netslayer:

i have that installed.. i don't get it

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** dscoular thinks xris types very fast! **

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Netslayer:

the thing is i can build svn if i do it manually.. but the ebuild that fetches svn, configures it and builds it is screwing it up

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dscoular:

this came up a few days ago

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dscoular:

you could search the logs re libdvdnav... I'll have a hunt on my gentoo box

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dscoular:

spug mythtranscode # ldd `which mythfrontend`|grep dvd

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dscoular:

libdvdnav.so.0 => /usr/lib/libdvdnav.so.0 (0xb6b77000)

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dscoular:

emerge -pv media-libs/libdvdnav

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xris:

dscoular: I type for a living. would hope I do.

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** dscoular smiles **

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Netslayer:

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 May 15 01:19 /usr/lib/libdvdnav.so.4 -> libdvdnav.so.4.0.0

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Netslayer:

dscoular, i can compile it from svn manually.. it's the ebuild doing something wrong with the configure that produces bad makefiles i think

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dscoular:

I don't use the ebuild

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dscoular:

you could check the configure script

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Netslayer:

i'm not talking about the gentoo ebuild, this is a custom one to grab svn

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dscoular:

-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 718 Apr 26 2004 /usr/lib/libdvdnav.la

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dscoular:

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Apr 26 2004 /usr/lib/libdvdnav.so -> libdvdnav.so.0.3.0

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dscoular:

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Apr 26 2004 /usr/lib/libdvdnav.so.0 -> libdvdnav.so.0.3.0

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dscoular:

-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 151656 Apr 26 2004 /usr/lib/libdvdnav.so.0.3.0

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Netslayer:

it uses myth's config script

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Netslayer:

i have 4.0

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Netslayer:

-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 804 May 15 01:19 /usr/lib/libdvdnav.la

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Netslayer:

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 May 15 01:19 /usr/lib/libdvdnav.so -> libdvdnav.so.4.0.0

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Netslayer:

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 May 15 01:19 /usr/lib/libdvdnav.so.4 -> libdvdnav.so.4.0.0

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Netslayer:

-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 163864 May 15 01:19 /usr/lib/libdvdnav.so.4.0.0

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dscoular:

there must be some difference

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dscoular:

re configure... let me have a look

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dscoular:

is this mythtv-0.19_p9163.ebuild ? or do you get the svn one from somewhere outwith portage ?

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Netslayer:

i'm not sure how to figure this out now. i could manually diff all the makefiles

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dscoular:

nah... the configure script is probably the source of this problem.

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Netslayer:

i'm using this one http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=66337

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dscoular:

Why bother using the ebuild

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Netslayer:

i want to control files that it installs

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Netslayer:

you have to remove a dvb eit line in the mythtv-svn..ebuild file as it errors out

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Netslayer:

http://pastebin.com/726065

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dscoular:

I'd just use the source, luke

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Netslayer:

heh

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dscoular:

-ldvdnav isn't in your link command

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dscoular:

can you pastebin in the config to

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dscoular:

s/to/too/

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Netslayer:

the mythtv/configure ?

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dscoular:

with any patching the ebuild has done.

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Netslayer:

i don't think it patches it at all

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dscoular:

well, then svn 0.19-fixes would be broken I think.

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dscoular:

I'm sure we'd have heard about that

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dscoular:

pastebin what you have

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dscoular:

I'll have a sniff anyway

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dscoular:

if has_library libdvdnav ; then

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dscoular:

if has_header dvdnav/dvdnav.h ; then

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Netslayer:

http://pastebin.com/726068

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Netslayer:

http://pastebin.com/726070

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Netslayer:

two parts

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Netslayer:

in configure?

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Netslayer:

i don't have those in my configure

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dscoular:

now let me compare it to svn.mythtv.org

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dscoular:

It's different: http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0- . . . tv/configure

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** Netslayer jaw drops **

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Netslayer:

i don't get it, they are not including a config in this ebuild.. it's not patching it

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dscoular:

Use the source, Luke

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** Netslayer waves his hand over the keyboard **

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dscoular:

this is an attachment ebuild from a bug report which is set to WONTFIX ?

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Netslayer:

they don't support any ebuild that isn't from a prepackaged version

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Netslayer:

because it is prone to breaking

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Netslayer:

as you can see with argument at the bottom

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dscoular:

Just use the source and set the prefix to an abitrary location if you want contorl

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dscoular:

s/contorl/control/

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bunder:

hello

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bunder:

how would i know how many separate video streams one tuner card can pull?

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Netslayer:

bunder, ... one?

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bunder:

the website for the card says it can record one stream while showing another, so i guess one is still the answer eh :P

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onetwo:

the MythLogBot isn't logging the whole day – just the first few hours.

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puthre:

does anyone know how can I display ISO-8859–2 encoded program info in mythtv?

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K|NgGh0sT:

Mythtv-setup says "Myth could no connect to the database. etc.." how do I change that?

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Merlin83b3:

K|NgGh0sT: Can you connect to the database from the command line?

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K|NgGh0sT:

How would I do that?

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Merlin83b3:

K|NgGh0sT: You don't know how to use MySQL? Are you sure you installed it right?

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K|NgGh0sT:

Its installed right

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Merlin83b3:

How did you test that?

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K|NgGh0sT:

dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database

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Merlin83b3:

That's not really testing it. Manually connect – also, you will need to create a database for mythtv and you will need to rtfm.

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K|NgGh0sT:

From what I read that creates the database

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socket:

hi, is there a mythtv iso that installs the whole system (linux+mythtv) on a pc?

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hashbang:

socket: knoppmyth, mythdora

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K|NgGh0sT:

uhcrap

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K|NgGh0sT:

mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed

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socket:

thanks hashbang

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hashbang:

socket: n/p

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MORA:

K|NgGh0sT: start it in init.d and maybe you need to comment skip-networking in mysqld.conf

[09:02:35]

Juski:

morning all

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ivor:

Juski: howdy

[09:03:35]

Juski:

hi ivor

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K|NgGh0sT:

MORA, how do I do that (sorry I'm a nub)

[09:03:55]

Juski:

tried MHEG last night for the 1st time. I think my hard line on livetv might have to change ;-)

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MORA:

> /etc/init.d/mysql start

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ivor:

Juski: I saw you hit the breezy we-fucked-xvmc-lib-for-you problem.

[09:04:14]

MORA:

or mysqld maybe

[09:04:24]

ivor:

Juski: heah its quite sweet isn't it.

[09:04:25]

puthre:

does anyone know exactly what this error means and how to fix it? http://pastebin.ca/57051

[09:04:45]

Juski:

ivor: yeah. xvmc works now though – and without upgrading ubunut

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K|NgGh0sT:

MORA, start isnt a command

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MORA:

try with mysqld

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ivor:

Juski: heh and I see kormoc was giving you, erm, interesting advice.

[09:05:41]

K|NgGh0sT:

same

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Juski:

ivor: it worked

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hashbang:

Juski: cool

[09:05:57]

hashbang:

Juski: likely to be in 0.20?

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Juski:

hashbang: mheg? very likely

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hashbang:

neat.

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** hashbang is looking forward to subtitles ending up in recordings. **

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Juski:

I think I need to recompile with debug enabled – saw a hell of a lot of segfaults changing channel

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hashbang:

neat for both DVDs, and for automatic transcripts.

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stuarta:

morning

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johnp_:

morning stuarta

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Juski:

hashbang: I see subtitles in my recordings

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** puthre needs sme help **

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Juski:

morning stuarta

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ivor:

e.g. "00:54 #mythtv-users: < kormoc> Juski, you'll need to get rid of XvMCW before compiling myth"

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ivor:

ho hum.

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** hashbang particularly likes the idea of automatic transcripts of current affairs progs, then indexed by some kind of search engine **

[09:07:31]

hashbang:

"actually, Mr Blair, you *did* say that. Quoting... "

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** stuarta is not a fan of current affairs programs **

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Juski:

ivor: I moved those libs out of the way & ran ./configure again – this time the nvidia xvmc libs are hard coded into myth instead of using the wrapper

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ivor:

sure that will work.

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Juski:

I think an alternative might be to have an XvMCConfig file in /etc/X11 – that could have been the real root of the problem

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ivor:

the purpose of the wrapper is to enable binary builds that will work against any installed xvmc

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ivor:

oops... meeting.. brb.

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Juski:

dvb radio channels didn't seem to be working last night though, but I managed to try mheg & see the Radio One live weekend video. was weird – I can't remember exactly how I got it to come up

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K|NgGh0sT:

MORA, how can I see what users exist in the mysql, like did dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database create mythconverg too or did it just make a user

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MORA:

it probaly only made a root user with no pass

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K|NgGh0sT:

hrmm'

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K|NgGh0sT:

well I still cannot get it to connect to the database

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eiggirC_:

something in the latest debian unstable update borked my sound

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eiggirC_:

dunno what yet

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K|NgGh0sT:

Okay I cant find in the manual what I am doing wrong

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ivor:

re

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ivor:

Juski: yeah I recorded a dvb-radio and it's rather strange.... it starts playing at normal speed and then just keeps getting faster and faster.

[09:48:01]

ivor:

haven't had time to see why though.

[09:50:18]

Juski:

ivor: lol

[09:50:39]

Juski:

maybe mythfrontend is trying to find a 'good' bit

[09:51:22]

ivor:

:) heh. pity I was demoing the new feature to the other half. I'd only listened to the first few seconds myself and it sounded good.

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** stuarta insults channel 4 **

[09:52:19]

ivor:

stuarta: like "you're pretentious AND crap" ?

[09:53:54]

stuarta:

nope, looks like they've stopped more4+1, since that's where they are putting film4, but not for 2 MONTHS!

[09:54:13]

stuarta:

and more4+1 has better res than more4...

[09:55:27]

stuarta:

unless it's just the epg monkeys playing up again...

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K|NgGh0sT:

When doing.. mysql -u mythtv -p < mc.sql

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K|NgGh0sT:

I get the error ERROR 1044 at line 2: Access denied for user: 'mythtv@localhost' to database 'mythconverg'

[10:00:36]

K|NgGh0sT:

How can I fix that?

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MORA:

you need to create the table and user manually

[10:02:00]

K|NgGh0sT:

The user exists

[10:02:28]

MORA:

grant all on mythconverg.* TO mythtv@localhost IDENTIFIED BY 'passwordhere'

[10:02:39]

MORA:

as mysql root

[10:05:41]

K|NgGh0sT:

Mythtv-setup still cant access the database

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stuarta:

!trout the EPG monkeys

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** MythLogBot slaps the EPG monkeys with a trout on behalf of stuarta... **

[10:06:33]

stuarta:

MORE: you forgot 'flush privileges;'

[10:07:08]

K|NgGh0sT:

stuarta, I did that anyways

[10:07:10]

K|NgGh0sT:

Thanks though

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K|NgGh0sT:

I just want in the bloody setup

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K|NgGh0sT:

Why would the setup not connect to the database?

[10:09:24]

Juski:

no mysql.txt file, more than likely

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Juski:

~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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** Juski announces that today is RTFM friday **

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K|NgGh0sT:

I have read the manual

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Merlin83b3:

Every day is RTFM day!

[10:10:02]

K|NgGh0sT:

Like 300 times :(

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Juski:

at the risk of sounding insulting, maybe the problem is more one of UTFM

[10:10:50]

K|NgGh0sT:

Insult me all you want, its fine I'm a noob

[10:11:00]

Juski:

lol

[10:11:02]

K|NgGh0sT:

Juski, in my defence I've been googling and such for the last three days

[10:11:22]

K|NgGh0sT:

I cant find where I am going wrong

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Juski:

take it easy. do you have a ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt ?

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stuarta:

anyone know what schema version 0.19 has off the top of their head/logfile...

[10:11:32]

K|NgGh0sT:

no

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hashbang:

yet another masochist, I see

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Juski:

K|NgGh0sT: that's why you can't connect to the DB

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** hashbang wonders if he's in the MySQL support channel. **

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K|NgGh0sT:

How do I go about getting that then

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** stuarta doesn't read manuals, but did RTFMM **

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Juski:

stuarta: 1123 here

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stuarta:

thanks, just found it in the source as well :)

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Juski:

btw stuarta: using xvmc has stopped the judderry playback on my bongo box (seemingly)

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stuarta:

it would help. Is it all going nicely now?

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Juski:

stuarta: far from it. loads of segfaults changing channel

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Juski:

I'll rebuild it with debug enabled today

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Juski:

infact I can do it now cos the box is still up :-)

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stuarta:

that'll save about 4 hours compiling time....

[10:29:03]

K|NgGh0sT:

Alright I now know that there is a mythtv account that can read the mythconverg database... can someone help me get mythtv to connect to the database then

[10:29:30]

stuarta:

also, if it still crashes, try compliing with xvmc disabled to see if it's in that area.

[10:30:07]

stuarta:

~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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Juski:

K|NgGh0sT: google for that file

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K|NgGh0sT:

AM now

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Juski:

DBHostName=

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K|NgGh0sT:

making the file now

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Juski:

DBUserName=

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Juski:

good :-)

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K|NgGh0sT:

unable to create file "/root/.mythtv/mysql.txt"

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** stuarta 5 quid ~/mythtv doesn't exist! **

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** stuarta 5 quid ~/.mythtv doesn't exist! **

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K|NgGh0sT:

I have them in other places

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K|NgGh0sT:

aha

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K|NgGh0sT:

/home/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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stuarta:

hey Merlin83b2, how's life?

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Juski:

why would you be running mythtv-setup as root?

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Merlin83b2:

Pretty good thanks.

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K|NgGh0sT:

I'm not, I'm sshing in

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K|NgGh0sT:

which would be the issue

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Merlin83b2:

Apart from Debian Sarge not installing on a Dell PE850, but I'm downloading a new ISO to sort that.

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Merlin83b2:

How are you, stuarta?

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Merlin83bb:

Erm

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Juski:

Merlin83b2: how good is SVN for you? I like the new shiny things very much

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stuarta:

fine. tired, up late working on scanning....

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Merlin83b:

Juski: I'm weeks behind. Need to diff my changes, update and then shove them back in and then finish them.

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K|NgGh0sT:

okay so that file does exist

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Merlin83b:

stuarta: And who's fault is that? :-P

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Juski:

I've got the bug again – was up til after 3am this morning

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stuarta:

Merlin83b: you should use quilt

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Merlin83b:

In place of Sarge?

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Juski:

it's too bloody addictive :-P

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stuarta:

to manage your patches

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Merlin83b:

stuarta: Bit beyond by needs I think – the diff will be quite small.

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stuarta:

just it handles, updating, backing out, re-applying very nicely.

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Merlin83b:

I might try at the weekend but probably just do it myself :-)

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stuarta:

yeah, my needs are a little different. I've always got about 5–10 patches applied as a work in progress.

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Merlin83b:

Just a bit different :-)

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Merlin83b:

Still, I like what I've been hearing about the changes – EIT coming close to going in HEAD?

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stuarta:

allows me to keep the patches small & logically consistent...

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stuarta:

umm, yeah, just need to track down a consecutive recording issue...

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Merlin83b:

And that's it? Nice.

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Merlin83b:

Then I'll have to try it and see if my timed EIT scanning stuff is even needed anymore.

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Merlin83b:

In the meantime, it's made my system lovely to use :-)

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stuarta:

do that, sync head & branch, then fozi's got a few more things planned...

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Merlin83b:

Anything interesting?

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Juski:

I think so ;-)

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Merlin83b:

Do tell!

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Juski:

dug meself a hole there didn't I...

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Juski:

brb seagate on the phone

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laga_:

re

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Merlin83b:

Heh

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K|NgGh0sT:

whats the command to see your last boot?

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K|NgGh0sT:

whoops wrong chan

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PointyHairedBoss:

It is Friday, after all.

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Juski:

thank crunchie!

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Juski:

afternooon laga_

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Juski:

now I need to find out what to do to get gdb working

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PointyHairedBoss:

And tell me what the interesting planned changes are :-)

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Juski:

I think EIT updates have been mooted – to catch schedule changes

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Juski:

late starts, finishes & stuff

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PointyHairedBoss:

Spurred on by the Doctor Who change the other day, no doubt :-)

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hashbang:

Juski: neato

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hashbang:

mythtv r0x0rs.

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laga_:

Juski: check out the bose zenega 101s ci, it's msntv-ish

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stuarta:

think once eit & scanning has settled down a bit, might look at speed & stability.

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laga_:

!trout [?]lucas123

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** MythLogBot slaps [?]lucas123 with a trout on behalf of laga_... **

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PointyHairedBoss:

stuarta: Speed in what sense?

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Juski:

ugh.. Bose made another fugly box

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stuarta:

as in making it do things faster, respond better to input...

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PointyHairedBoss:

stuarta: Sounds good :-)

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stuarta:

but comes after stability.

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PointyHairedBoss:

I suppose so, BE is rock solid for me, FE maybe falls over once a week.

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stuarta:

BE is pretty good. FE need looking at...

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PointyHairedBoss:

To improve GF acceptance, I have it in a while loop to start it right away again

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Juski:

damn I have a test recording in progress & only the one tuner

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Juski:

bloody typical. compiled with debug support, all is well

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Juski:

rofl... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/05/19/rum_offer/

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K|NgGh0sT:

Next issue

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K|NgGh0sT:

if anyone is still awake

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Zider:

no, we fell asleep ;)

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K|NgGh0sT:

I cant seem to get myth to find my dvb card

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moemoe:

K|NgGh0sT: is there a device like /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0?

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K|NgGh0sT:

I did modprobe dst modprobe bttv modprobe dvb-bt8xx

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Juski:

K|NgGh0sT: did you test the dvb card before trying mythtv? bet the answer is no

[12:02:25]

K|NgGh0sT:

there is ni /dev/dvb

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K|NgGh0sT:

Juski, it worked the other day, before a reboot :/

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K|NgGh0sT:

*no

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Juski:

ni?

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Juski:

"we are then knights who say..."

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Juski:

sod it

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K|NgGh0sT:

sod?

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Juski:

found out why more4+1 is off the air – it's for Big Brivva Interwacteev... fscking shite

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Juski:

K|NgGh0sT: http://www.google.co.uk/search?hs=gtN&hl= . . . ch&meta=

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Juski:

that should get you on your way

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K|NgGh0sT:

weird, dmesg says it is found

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Juski:

lsmod |grep dvb

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K|NgGh0sT:

dvb_bt8xx 8068 0

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K|NgGh0sT:

dvb_core 77352 2 dvb_bt8xx,dst

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K|NgGh0sT:

bt878 11188 2 dvb_bt8xx,dst

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K|NgGh0sT:

bttv 143052 3 dvb_bt8xx,bt878

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K|NgGh0sT:

i2c_core 22416 5 cx88xx,dvb_bt8xx,tuner,bttv,i2c_algo_bit

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Juski:

ls -r /dev/dvb

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Juski:

use a pastebin for more than 3 lines at a time

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K|NgGh0sT:

no dir

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K|NgGh0sT:

sorry

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Juski:

K|NgGh0sT: sorry – you need to consult a DVB howto for your distro

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stuarta:

Juski: ahh so that's where ch305 came from!

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Juski:

stuarta: probably

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Juski:

gonna see if I can splurge some hardearned on a dvb-s card this summer – and put the old $ky dish back up

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stuarta:

might do the same, but not unless I move to the GF's

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Zider:

geforce?

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Juski:

lol

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Juski:

girlfriend

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Zider:

oh.

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Hoxzer:

:D

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Zider:

nice fps on those?

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stuarta:

flat comes with a nice shared sky installation...

[12:23:22]

stuarta:

never measured my GF's fps....

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Juski:

fps.. never heard em called that before, but it'd explain why spotty teenage geeks are obsessed by them

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Zider:

run glxgears immediately

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stuarta:

doesn't do that either....

[12:24:25]

Zider:

...get a gf7800gtx instead :P

[12:24:28]

Juski:

stuarta: $hared $ky... always wondered how they do that

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stuarta:

cascaded switches as far as I can work out.

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Juski:

one dish, into loads of outputs, all with their own freqs/polarities

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Juski:

ahhh

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stuarta:

1 lnb with 4 outputs, switched in the switch box not the lnb as per a single install

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stuarta:

have a look on dvbshop.net at multiswitchs and quattro lnb's

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Juski:

iirc, technotrend are an ok make too

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stuarta:

well thought of apparently. 1500 support is okay/stabilizing, so by summer it'll be good.

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Juski:

and I take it the diff between 'budget' & premium is the premium is basically an STB on a PCI card

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stuarta:

not really sure, but they aren't made anymore...

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Juski:

dvbshop are still selling em though

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Juski:

might be worth waiting yet... got enough on my plate anyway

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stuarta:

definitely worth following linuxdvb mailing list if you are thinking

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Juski:

just got myself hooked up for a crash course in presentation from one of our sales peeps

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stuarta:

to help with lugradio?

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Juski:

stuarta: yeh – never demoed in public before

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Juski:

just counting it as preparation. JD will be on hand if it gets too bad

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praet:

hey folks

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praet:

i've got an audio problem. Its myth .19 with a pvr-150 with s-video in for video and rca/mini for audio

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praet:

myth renders video perfectly, but audio is very low and 'tinny'

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praet:

if i play the input with mplayer /dev/video0 same thing, but with "-ao alsa" added all works ok

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Juski:

praet: I had that occurring on every other recording. I changed the recording profiles to use 48khz audio & the problem went away

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praet:

where do i cahnge that?

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hashbang:

praet: maybe oss is shifting the audio data towards the LSB

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hashbang:

praet: perhaps OSS only knows about 16 bit audio, and you have 24 bit or more.

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Juski:

praet: come now... utils / setup > settings > tv > recording

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praet:

i also had luck with good audio (but bad sync) with mplayer -autosync 30

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praet:

thanks Juski always there :)

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praet:

can myth use mplayer with options to play live tv

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_nero_:

get a good nights rest last night Juski_lab?? ;)

[13:48:37]

Juski_lab:

did I hell !

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_nero_:

uh oh..

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Juski_lab:

addictive, this playing with svn lark ;-)

[13:49:06]

_nero_:

couldn't stop tinkering with the myth box??

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_nero_:

hehe

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Juski_lab:

got xvmc working alright, played with mheg for a bit

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_nero_:

thats good to hear..

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laga_:

sleep is overrated ;)

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Juski_lab:

watched a bit of livetv (!!!!!!!!)

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_nero_:

sleep is for the weak.

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Juski_lab:

purely for research purposes of course :-P

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_nero_:

haha

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Juski_lab:

could the mheg interactive stuff be moved out of livetv? ;-)

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_nero_:

what is mheg?

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Juski_lab:

interactive tv stuff

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Juski_lab:

kind of a cross between teletext, html and video

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_nero_:

crazy.. and this is working in mythtv?

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_nero_:

only on specific channels?

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Juski_lab:

*where available

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_nero_:

heh.. must not be available here..

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Juski_lab:

mostly europe I think

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_nero_:

ahhh.. probably..

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Juski_lab:

and the way it stands now I think it only works in the UK

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_nero_:

you europeans.. ;)

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Juski_lab:

invaded any countries recently? :-P

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_nero_:

me, personally?? nope! :D

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Juski_lab:

lol

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Juski_lab:

hmmm.. so that's 7200.8 HDDs are bad in PIO mode, 7200.9. 7200.10 are okay

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_nero_:

My wife wants to go cycle around Scotland..

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ficusplanet:

Hey everyone. I'm thinking about moving my setup to HDTV and have a couple newb questions. My cable provider (mediacom) offers HDTV service, but there is an "HDTV Cable Box" that they ship with it. Do I need to use this box after activating the service, or can I (as I do with SDTV) just plug the cable wire directly into the PCHDTV card?

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Juski_lab:

_nero_: cycle? in what? a canoe? hope she likes rain

[13:56:13]

_nero_:

hehe.. nah.. jsut a cycle tour of the highlands..

[13:56:49]

_nero_:

yeah.. there is alot of rain up there.. last time I went over to the UK, we got real lucky.. were there for 2 weeks, and didn't get rained on once!

[13:57:34]

_nero_:

I keep trying to tell her we should cycle around Tuscany.. but she wont listen.. ;)

[13:57:52]

_nero_:

or, better yet, an island in the Carribean..

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_nero_:

ficusplanet, I wish I had an HDTV, and the experience to help ya, but unfortunately, I am stuck in the not so sharp world of SDTV..

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_nero_:

but, from what I gather, you need their set top box, and there isn't a real good chance you'll be able to record off it.

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ficusplanet:

_nero_: That sucks. Maybe I can experiment with OTA.

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_nero_:

and that the PCHDTV card would be good for recording/tuning OTA HD signals.

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Juski_lab:

ficusplanet: the answer to what you ask depends on whether or not the streams are encrypted. if the box has a firewire output you _might_ be able to use that

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Juski_lab:

welcome to the DRM, all-controlling world of HDTV

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** _nero_ agrees with Juski.. but from what I have seen, the cable companies are encrpting most of the HD channels.. (they *might* leave your local channels unencrypted) **

[14:01:27]

_nero_:

dvdjohn needs to get moving on the HD encryption.. ;)

[14:01:45]

ficusplanet:

Juski_lab: Thanks for the pointers. Most of the stuff I watch is off of PBS anyway, so OTA should do OK if I can get good reception.

[14:01:50]

Juski_lab:

he learned from his mistakes. he works for them now

[14:02:11]

_nero_:

Juski, really?? damn..

[14:03:05]

Juski_lab:

bloody hell – what are us lot who are stuck with PIO mode 4 supposed to do here? this is crazy. One disk model out of five works

[14:03:36]

Juski_lab:

everything is _supposed_ to be backwards compatible according to the spec

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_nero_:

shrug.. get a new disk controller?? ;)

[14:04:20]

Juski_lab:

that was my initial reaction

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Juski_lab:

but we bit-bash

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Juski_lab:

i.e. no HDD controller. no PCI either

[14:05:29]

Juski_lab:

back to testing the 750GB units then

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_nero_:

yay.. my DVD+-R/RW/RAM DL drive just shipped..

[14:05:52]

_nero_:

ahhh.. so you are at work then??

[14:06:09]

_nero_:

you want to pass a few of those 750GB units my way for testing?? I can put them through their paces.. ;)

[14:06:16]

Juski_lab:

heh

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_nero_:

my 200gigs is looking pretty small now..

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Juski_lab:

"but I need to be sure they're good in 24/7 operations, so I'll take them home to soak test"

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_nero_:

hehehe

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_nero_:

4 or 5 of them should do well, right?

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Juski_lab:

actually got 8

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_nero_:

damn.. thats a lot of episodes of Seinfeld..

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Juski_lab:

4 sata, 4 pata

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sapbeast:

you bought some or where you work you got some

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_nero_:

holy cow.. 300gig SATA drives, $99 shipped.. I didnt realize how cheap these things had gotten..

[14:08:35]

hashbang:

Juski_lab: heh. Looking at the spec for the DSL chipset in my router, I have a suspicion that even my router has an internal PCI bus.

[14:08:40]

Juski_lab:

freebies

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sapbeast:

well yeah 300g is pretty damn cheap now

[14:09:03]

hashbang:

_nero_: that's pretty good

[14:09:12]

sapbeast:

750g is still a bit high, its $500 initially

[14:09:23]

sapbeast:

but you have always paid a premium for the highest density drives

[14:09:24]

hashbang:

_nero_: I bought a 300G Seagate 7200.9 PATA for ~72GBP about a month back. They're ~67GBP now.

[14:09:28]

Juski_lab:

2 years of locked-down development, effectively blocking new architecture proposals :-/

[14:10:19]

Juski_lab:

cut & paste old schematics was the drill

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_nero_:

I have been way out of the loop on hardware.. what is PATA?

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Juski_lab:

plain old IDE

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hashbang:

_nero_: ye olde ATA

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sapbeast:

"old" dide

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_nero_:

ahhhh.. ok..

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Juski_lab:

parallel IDE

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sapbeast:

-d

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hashbang:

_nero_: as distinguished from new-fangled SATA

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_nero_:

yeah.. I know SATA.. just never heard it called PATA..

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_nero_:

(the old IDE)

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sapbeast:

because sata exists now :P

[14:11:37]

hashbang:

_nero_: well, otherwise, when you say 'ATA' there may be some confusion.

[14:11:39]

sapbeast:

they needed something to tell the difference

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_nero_:

true.. I guess I always refered to them (in my simple mind ;) ) as SATA and EIDE

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hashbang:

_nero_: ah-ha, well, even SCSI is EIDE

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hashbang:

or IDE, anyway.

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sapbeast:

since when was scsi ide :P

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hashbang:

since SCSI drives have Integrated Drive Electronics too.

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Juski_lab:

16 bit parallel with some protocol bollocks

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sapbeast:

yeah ill just take your word on that one

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Zider:

I believe there's serial-scsi now as well

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hashbang:

and actually, yes, the SCSI and ATA command sets are nearly identical, IIRC.

[14:13:33]

hashbang:

certainly SCSI and ATAPI are.

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hashbang:

(hence the ide-scsi stuff)

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hashbang:

Zider: serial-attached SCSI

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hashbang:

aka SAS

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Zider:

hashbang: what's the difference? :P

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sapbeast:

the wiring sure as hell is not though, and scsi drives are traditionally better built

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_nero_:

my old Mac here is all scsi.. 2x 10krpm 12 gig drives.. now thats what I call storage!! ;)

[14:14:43]

hashbang:

sapbeast: correct; (nearly) all the differences are physical layer, now.

[14:14:54]

sapbeast:

at least your typical off the shelf 300 gig drive is not rated for 24/7 server performance, it would work but for how long

[14:15:05]

sapbeast:

and you dont want to go to your boss saying the drive failed because you got cheapo parts

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jams:

_nero_- if it helps just think of sata as ata-8 :)

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Zider:

my 3x 200GB ide drives has been rolling 24/7 for a couple of years now

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** hashbang buys WD Raid Edition drives for RAIDs at work, Seagate 'cudas for home./ **

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jams:

you know vs ata-1 through ata-7

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_nero_:

jams, actually- what helps is to think of SATA as having the skinny cable, and EIDE as having the ribon cable.. ;)

[14:15:58]

_nero_:

but thats just me.. ;)

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jams:

hehe

[14:16:14]

scopeuk:

those sata cabels are much easier to route and proide beter airflow in your case

[14:16:18]

sapbeast:

Zider: good for you, but dont try that in a production environment... at least without hot spares

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_nero_:

scopeuk, true that.. :)

[14:16:51]

scopeuk:

Zider familier sentiment ammazing how long it too kme to kil off my old 16 gig maxtor drive

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Zider:

sapbeast: well, provided enough fundings, I would naturally go scsi..

[14:16:53]

jams:

although sometimes they do fall off or become loose

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scopeuk:

24/7 operation for 3 years

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** hashbang also replaces his discs once they're 2–3 years old, hopefully before they begin to get into the other end of the bathtub curve **

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scopeuk:

after it had been a home pc for 5 years

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hashbang:

after 2–3 years, I repurpose such drives as scratch devices and don't rely on them to be reliable.

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sapbeast:

well i have a deathstart that still operates fine after 5 years, but the point is you wouldnt take the chance if you had to depend on it

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hashbang:

that said, I haven't lost a single disc yet.

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_nero_:

hashbang, I hope you are knocking on wood!!! ;)

[14:18:21]

scopeuk:

i whouldent trust a single disc with anything important

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scopeuk:

even if it was brandnew and guarentied for 10 years

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hashbang:

_nero_: not really; I have backups, RAID, I buy discs with 5 year warranties, keep them as cool as I can, and replace them early

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sapbeast:

judging from what ive seen at work from a sampling of 750 drives... there have been 40 failures but most of those were quantum piles of crap

[14:19:12]

_nero_:

speaking of dying drives.. I need a FW enclosure for my parents iMac, for backing up their stuff..

[14:19:20]

_nero_:

and my mom "wants it to look nice".. heh..

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scopeuk:

nero coat it in foil notechs love the shineys ;-)

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_nero_:

hehe.. There are these enclosures that look like mini Mac G5s... cant remeber the brand though..

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hashbang:

w00t

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hashbang:

I have some drives that are nearly about to hit 10000hrs power on time

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sapbeast:

heres your cookie

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Zider:

9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 084 084 000 Old_age Always – 12053

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Zider:

hrm :)

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hashbang:

these are about 18 months old. :-)

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_nero_:

how do you see your power on hours??

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hashbang:

_nero_: smartctl

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Zider:

_nero_: smartctl

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hashbang:

_nero_: oh, and I monitor my drives regularly, too.

[14:22:21]

hashbang:

_nero_: so, as you can see, knocking on wood would be a pointless superstition. :-)

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sapbeast:

im sure some of mine are well over 10k hours

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** _nero_ does plenty of pointless superstition.. ;) **

[14:22:46]

sapbeast:

however smartmontools does not support sata drives

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hashbang:

sapbeast: yup, that sucks.

[14:23:03]

hashbang:

sapbeast: ditto ATA drives in USB caddies

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_nero_:

no worries.. I am still stick with the ugly ribon cables.. ;)

[14:23:12]

Zider:

sapbeast: not with libata at least

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hashbang:

(or maybe that's just my crappy caddies)

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sapbeast:

dont need to remind me of that

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sapbeast:

and if vnc would let me paste a freaking link... i could give _nero_ a link to a drive enclosure

[14:25:05]

sapbeast:

_nero_: http://www.adstech.com/products/USBX-888/intr . . . pid=USBX-888 (not firewire but looks cool)

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sapbeast:

i dont think firewire enclosures are very common anymore now that usb 2.0 is just as good

[14:25:21]

Zider:

I believe there's some other way of accessing sata drives that would work with smartctl and so on.. but I can't remember what iot was..

[14:25:34]

Zider:

sapbeast: it's not "just as good"

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_nero_:

yeah.. thats one of those mac mini enclosures.. there are firewire versions of them too..

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sapbeast:

9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 092 092 000 Old_age Always – 5987

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sapbeast:

best i can do with the only ide drive i have really anymore

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_nero_:

ugh.. yum is a PITA..

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sapbeast:

Zider: seeing how early firewire enclosures were limited to 10MB/sec despite the firewire spec, ill believe it when someone proves it

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Zider:

sapbeast: I've used both firewire and USB cases, and firewire always manages to push more MB/sec.. maybe not much more, but a noticable amount

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sapbeast:

well my experience is that usb 2.0 is about the same, only really limited by the drive lately

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sapbeast:

but the problem is that for the most part usb 2.0 is *far* more common than firewire on your average pc now

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sapbeast:

so you could say its got more compatibility

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_nero_:

whoa.. 31839 hours.. eek!

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Zider:

yeah, USB is more common.. and I'm sticking to it.. :)

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Juski_lab:

I have a usb/firewire case – firewire gives me just about real HDD access speeds. the usb on the other hand.. bin fodder

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Zider:

but if you can easily make a choice I'd go with fw for hard drives

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Juski_lab:

YMMV ;)

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sapbeast:

the only machines with firewire here at work are the macs... and not that many here to begin with

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Juski_lab:

and it's not usb2 those HD cable boxen have :-P

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Zider:

my main system currently has 14 USB ports.. :P

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sapbeast:

firewire was basically serial scsi before SAS but the problem is the early chipsets really sucked as far as speeds went, and i developed an early hatred

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Juski_lab:

no pro-video gear comes with usb2 either

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sapbeast:

well thats because firewire was designed around DV to begin with

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sapbeast:

they wont change that anytime soon cos it doesnt need to be

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Zider:

are they working on any faster USB standard nowadays, or is it just wireless-USB?

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Juski_lab:

IMHO USB is ok for stuff like keyboards, mp3 players & mice. wouldn't trust it with anything critical

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Zider:

Juski_lab: and scanners and printers and... ;)

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** jams doesn't trust it for keyboards **

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sapbeast:

jams: most of the machines ive ordered in the past 6 months at work are legacy free... you cant use ps2 without an adaptor

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Juski_lab:

maybe my distrust of USB comes from only having used it in windows

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sapbeast:

so your going to eventually have to like it :p

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jams:

yeah yeah

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Zider:

sapbeast: legacy-free would be nice. :)

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jams:

I am using a usb keyboard now, but it does give problems once in a while

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jams:

mostly on reboots

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sapbeast:

Zider: they do come with parallel and serial ports, but for a better reason on those

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Zider:

too bad I need a converter for my printer for that.. :P

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Zider:

sapbeast: oh?

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sapbeast:

we still have software that uses parallel keys

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Zider:

sapbeast: I thought par/ser ports were gone as well

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jams:

I have read that the problem may be related to the nforce chipset

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sapbeast:

and not to mention the console cable for cisco equipment, having the serial port is kind of important

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sapbeast:

well you have to realize that even in the latest chipsets, there is still ISA internally

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sapbeast:

the ports might not be there, but its in the chipset

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Zider:

sapbeast: they should remove that as well :P

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sapbeast:

they dont because its a very small part of the die

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sapbeast:

its not very hard to implement at all these days

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sapbeast:

the BIOS requires it at least anyways, until pcs start using EFI

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Zider:

EFI?

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sapbeast:

or whatever the new intel macs use

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sapbeast:

bios replacement

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_nero_:

thats strange.. my mythtv box, smartctl says it has only been on for 517 hours, but the drive is a year old, and that box has been on 24/7..

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Zider:

aha

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sapbeast:

_nero_: it might roll over...

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sapbeast:

or a bug

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_nero_:

sapbeast, at what? My other drives are saying 30k+ hours, which is well over a year.

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sapbeast:

i think the "worst" drive i had was 20k hours or something

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_nero_:

heh.. the box I am typing on now has some pretty old drives in it..

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_nero_:

One from 2000, one from 2002.

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sapbeast:

im on a laptop at work using vnc to home... and this thing i just had to replace the drive in

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Zider:

I still have the hard drive from my first computer with hdd.. a 20MB MiniScribe ST-506.. :D

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sapbeast:

freaking toshiba drive started grinding 2 weeks ago

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Zider:

I wonder what SMART would say about that one

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sapbeast:

i dont have any of those seagate mfm drives anymore

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sapbeast:

smart doesnt even exist on those

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Zider:

I know

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Zider:

but if it did

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sapbeast:

mfm/rll drives are "dumb" anyways, the controller is in the card

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jams:

Zider- mine still boots. The dang drive will not die

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Zider:

hehe

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_nero_:

well, I gtg.. later everyone.

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sapbeast:

which is why those things were unreliable, you had the "seeker" cable in addition to the "data" cable

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Zider:

yeah I remember

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Zider:

one daisy-chain cable and one separate for each drive

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Zider:

plus the power of course

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sapbeast:

well there were alot of reasons they were unreliable too other than that... drives warmed up and you had low level format issues (back when you had to do that)

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sapbeast:

forget to park your drives before you turn off = oops

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Zider:

this one has a little thing sticking out the side that seems to be connected to the read arm.. because when it seeks on the disk the "thing" turns.. :D

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Zider:

can't remember the name for that thing :P

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sapbeast:

stepper motor

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sapbeast:

which is why you had to low level format

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Zider:

yeah.. but why would it stick out the side? :P

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sapbeast:

because it was so large

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sapbeast:

IDE drives I think some had stepper motors at the beginning but they really mostly used rotary voice coils which solved alot of problbems

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Zider:

well, it's within the 3,5" size

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Zider:

it's just not enclosed in any protection

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sapbeast:

my old 40MB IDE drive still works, but the spindle is seized, if i hit it hard enough with a mallet it will spin and function

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sapbeast:

somewhere on this page http://www.klystron.org/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=117

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Zider:

I remember one drive that died pretty drastically for me.. powered on my Amiga, the drive started spinning up.. but it didn't stop accelerating, it just whined higher and higher, until there was a noise like the heads where trying to smash its way out the side.. that's when I turned it off.. :P

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sapbeast:

kind of what happened to this laptop (which i backed up a few days before because it was getting really slow)

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sapbeast:

the disc was grinding bad (as in shrieking noises) and then finally gave up

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sapbeast:

thanks to our 3 year plans we always get, a replacement was here the next day :P

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sapbeast:

(and was a bigger drive too!)

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Zider:

hehe

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Juski:

this mytharchive... how does one get into it to use?

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sapbeast:

im going to research just that when i get home this weekend

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stuarta:

Juski: trunk/mytharchive

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sapbeast:

since this ripmake.pl script i got for a frontend for transcode doesnt f***ing work

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Juski:

ah

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Zider:

http://www.yjfy.com/images/oldhard/harddisk/m8425.jpg &n dash; hey, there's my drive :D

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sapbeast:

and i really need to transcode/archive some shows

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stuarta:

and I say it that way so that only people who know what they are doing can find it.

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ivor:

ooh shit.

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ivor:

df -k

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ivor:

df: cannot read table of mounted filesystems

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Juski:

stuarta: ;-)

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Juski:

ivor: shit indeed

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stuarta:

oops, where's your /etc/mtab gone.

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sapbeast:

trunk is?

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sapbeast:

other than the boot on a car

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stuarta:

the part of a tree that hold the branches up

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sapbeast:

~_~

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ivor:

oh my.... much badness.

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sapbeast:

still id like to get mytharchive working myself this weekend, even if its to get some shows "crunched"

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sapbeast:

otherwise im gonna have to just use the poor mans out of adobe encore dvd (gasp)

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Juski:

sony dvd architect is where it's at unless you have a Mac

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ivor:

reboot

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ivor:

WARNING: could not determine runlevel – doing soft reboot

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** ivor mutters. **

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Zider:

I can't get the bloody mythmusic to sort my mp3's the way I want them.. :/

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Juski:

heh. downloading mytharchive & getting my own intros back

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scopeuk:

does anyone have a prefered debian ftp server package?

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laga_:

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laga_:

oops

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sapbeast:

Juski: given the noise of my cable input ive had to keep my recording setup to 8000/9600 kbit which is unusually high

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sapbeast:

but otherwise the recordings look noticeably worse

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Juski:

turn temporal DNR up a little (or a lot if you like to relive those acid trip days)

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ficusplanet:

OK. I've got an SDTV question. I'm currently hooked up directly to the cable wire itself and I have a somewhat snowy and washed out picture. What is the best way to improve this? Would using the digital cable box help? Or maybe some form of signal amplification?

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Juski:

ficusplanet: ymmv will vary with analogue cable. the signal might be too strong, too weak, or just shite

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Juski:

I need to go home

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** stuarta lobs Juski a beer **

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Juski:

cheers!

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fred_basset:

yep it's friday again...

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Bananaman:

nipping out to buy a bottle of JD on the way home

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fred_basset:

did that yesterday, put a serious dent in it.

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Bananaman:

time for a big admission. you know the other day when I was cursing ubuntu for the sudo stuff?

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sapbeast:

my signal isnt so bad, but i havent got a freak all clue how to enable DNR on my pvr-150

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Bananaman:

when it was asking for 'password' I just assumed it wanted the root password :-/

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Bananaman:

sapbeast: ivtvctl is your friend

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sapbeast:

Bananaman: but would myth override the setting when it sets channels?

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sapbeast:

or is it a one time boot thing

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Bananaman:

sapbeast: AFAIK myth doesn't set it

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sapbeast:

all right ill give it a try when i get home

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sapbeast:

cos i could definitely use it

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Bananaman:

it gives fast moving objects a slight trail but I'd rather that than a shitty picture

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sapbeast:

i think its interference and maybe not the tuner or cable quality... its like "ring bars" that are on many channels but faint

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sapbeast:

mmm hmm

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Bananaman:

sapbeast: signal could be too strong

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Bananaman:

often overlooked

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sapbeast:

i dont have a small portable tv to check the cable in my room

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sapbeast:

yeah my wife used to work for the cable co, it supposed to be +3dB coming in

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sapbeast:

and then dropped properly

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Bananaman:

+3dB? that's loads more than what you'd get from an antenna isn't it?

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Bananaman:

though I guess the tuner is designed to handle it

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sapbeast:

they do that on purpose here, because they anticipate people using splitters and multiple tv's

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sapbeast:

and yes

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sapbeast:

the default setup here is the cable comes in +3dB, its tapped for the roadrunner cable modem and then sent to whatever tvs through a distribution amp

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sapbeast:

at 0dB (and further splitters reduce it)

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Bananaman:

3db a time

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Bananaman:

gone off this retro theme

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sapbeast:

unfortunately my wife isnt around anymore, nor is the cable tester she used... so i havent got a clue what its coming in at at my new place

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Bananaman:

blimey! I like this plugin..!!

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sapbeast:

mmm? which one

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endless_us:

Hi guys. Need help on how to install nexus-s driver on FC5. Also when I try to install mythtv by running "yum install mythtv-suite"I got "No Matches Found". Any Idea? THANK YOU.

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CarD:

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CarD:

qqun parle francais?

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Bananaman:

non, je suis desolais :-)

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CarD:

Adri2000 et deb tu pense qu'il est compatible avec ma cartetv usb? :/ une pinacle :(

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Dibblah:

Which patches am I looking at for recording the BBC HD stuff?

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Bananaman:

CarD: www.linuxtv.org

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fred_basset:

Dibblah: you will be able to record as is, just not playback.

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fred_basset:

it'll crash the backend due to lack of support in ffmpeg libs

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CarD:

death

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CarD:

:(

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BULLE:

what format does bbc use for their hd stuff, using mpeg2 or have they gone mpeg4 already ?

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Bananaman:

mpeg4

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Adri2000:

CarD: you tv card will work on mythtv if it works under linux

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Bananaman:

h.264 with some exension not implemented in ffmpeg

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BULLE:

ah

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CarD:

tx Adri2000

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fred_basset:

mpeg2 w/ vid interlaced h264, audio ac3

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Bananaman:

they can stack codecs like that?

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BULLE:

but they do use normal dvb broadcasting, so as long as you have a dvb card, you can receive the stuff ? and then when ffmepg support he format, you can watch it ?

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Bananaman:

BULLE: not necessarily. the HD trial is only short range in London

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BULLE:

aha

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Bananaman:

it's allegedly on DVB-S too – information is scant

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fred_basset:

or dvb-s, it's on astra 19.2

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BULLE:

around here they rush to start to broadcast normaly, in hd, in time for football world championship in germnay

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BULLE:

but they have problems getting hold of enough settop boxes with mpeg4 / hd support

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Bananaman:

who cares? it's only football ffs

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Bananaman:

:-P

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Dibblah:

It's on 28.2 – The normal Sky Digital grouping.

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fred_basset:

planet earth!

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BULLE:

yes, but they will of course broadcast other stuff in hd aswell!

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Bananaman:

true

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Bananaman:

looking fwd to planet earth in HD

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ivor:

hd pr0n....

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BULLE:

ivor: so you can see the genital warts in exquisite detail!

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ivor:

hmmm, on the other hand too much detail perhaps..

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Bananaman:

BULLE: of course they'll broadcast other stuff. but the other stuff will be late cos of the penalties & shite

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BULLE:

Bananaman: hehe

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endless_us:

Need help, PLEASE on how to install nexus-s driver on FC5. Also when I try to install mythtv by running "yum install mythtv-suite"I got "No Matches Found". Any Idea? THANK YOU.

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Bananaman:

echo?

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PointyHairedBoss:

endless_us: Get it running outside Myth first.

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ivor:

and get yup setup for atrpms

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ivor:

s/yup/yum/

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fred_basset:

and read the fedora myth guide

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Bananaman:

time to head back to 29, Acacia Avenue I think

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endless_us:

<PointyHairedBoss>: Can you help me with it?

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Bananaman:

laters, all

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PointyHairedBoss:

endless_us: No.

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endless_us:

THANKS

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PointyHairedBoss:

endless_us: Read the guides, get it running outside myth first.

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Bananaman:

endless_us: what PointyHairedBoss says

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PointyHairedBoss:

NO PROBLEM. I'VE NEVER EVEN SEEN A NEXUS-S CARD.

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ivor:

!trout PointyHairedBoss

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** MythLogBot slaps PointyHairedBoss with a trout on behalf of ivor... **

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PointyHairedBoss:

Heh.

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endless_us:

But there is nothing about nexus-s drivers, specialy on FC5

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PointyHairedBoss:

And you want me to help you? I've never seen the card, never run FC5, and in fact never used a satellite dish (assuming that's the -s) so can be of no help at all. This channel is for help with mythtv, you're not using it yet.

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endless_us:

THANKS.

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bigslam:

yo, how do i remove transport from the transport editor?

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PointyHairedBoss:

/ignore endless_us

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TinheadNed:

hey guys

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Dibblah:

It appears that I can't record the BBC HD stream on 28.2 for some reason.

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TinheadNed:

anyone know why mythtv has stopped being able to seek in dvb recordings?

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TinheadNed:

transcoded stuff is fine

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fred_basset:

TinheadNed: your recordedmarkup table is corrupted. run mysqlcheck

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TinheadNed:

oh

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TinheadNed:

okay

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TinheadNed:

two problems found

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mici:

Could anybody help me with my mythtv setup? I run gentoo and have problem with the sound when I watch/record TV – xadtv and kdetv are fine...

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TinheadNed:

heh, explains why the logging didn't seem to be working – that was the other error

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mici:

I would like to set this box up as backend but with no sound its kinda hard...

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TinheadNed:

mici: sound in or out?

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mici:

I dont hear the sound when I watch the TV or record a show

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TinheadNed:

but you do if you use any other tv playing app?

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mici:

The settings look fine – I changed to sound device from /dev/dsp to ALSA:default

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mici:

TinheadNed, I have kdeTV and that is fine – all other TV apps work fine...

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TinheadNed:

mici: and that uses the alsa default as well at a guess

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mici:

And No I dont have those running while I

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mici:

TinheadNed, Yes it uses alsa – I think the problem is that mythtv doesnt unmute my TV card

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mici:

When kdetv starts it says Unmute, than I hear a click and the speakers come to life... This doesnt happen in myth

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mici:

Is there a way to get myth to unlute the v4l card?

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mici:

unmute I mean

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Zider:

mici: try alsamixer -c1

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mici:

tobias ~ # alsamixer -c1

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mici:

No mixer elems found

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mici:

How is that?

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Zider:

what about amixer -c1

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TinheadNed:

'lo Juski

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TinheadNed:

either that or check through settings in kmix or alsamixer and check those are saved at shutdown

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TinheadNed:

i think that's the gentoo service alsasound or similar

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Zider:

TinheadNed: well, if alsamixer won't even start that's a bit hard :P

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TinheadNed:

Zider: i missed that bit

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Zider:

:)

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TinheadNed:

kmix, the kde way

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Zider:

the ewww way :P

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mici:

TinheadNed, No no My box HAS sound – the sound card is working I can play music, etc. the settings are saved...

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TinheadNed:

admittedly kde isn't on my myth box

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Zider:

nor mine :)

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TinheadNed:

mici: doesn't sound (hoho) like myth would need to unmute anything then

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Zider:

gotta rush.. boiboi

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TinheadNed:

Zider: tata

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Zider:

tartar

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TinheadNed:

fred_basset: all works like a charm now – ta!

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mici:

TinheadNed, Whenever I start up a TV app it unmutes the Tuner card – v4l card – but myth doesnt do that...

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TinheadNed:

mici: and that tv option doesn't turn up as some weird capture device in alsa?

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Juski:

hi TinheadNed

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TinheadNed:

tried running the mythfrontend on maximum verbosity and seeing what it said?

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Juski:

mici: there's a command you might like to try.. it's called v4lctl

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Juski:

use that to unmute the tv audio at boot time

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TinheadNed:

clever

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Juski:

mute the soundcard input it's plugged into in your linux mixer but make sure it's enabled for recording

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Juski:

this problem crops up about twice a week or so

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Juski:

if you don't have the v4lctl command, try grabbing xawtv – it _should_ come with that

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TinheadNed:

you need a page on the wiki for it – then you can paste an url

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Juski:

can't be bothered editing wiki pages to be honest

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TinheadNed:

ah, that's when you get someone else to wikify it

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mici:

This helps – but how do I get myth to do this for me automatically – othervise I have a constantly talking box...

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Juski:

mici: mute the soundcard input the tv audio is plugged into, as documented by the instructions at www.mythtv.org

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Juski:

mici: but ensure that input is selected for recording in your linux mixer

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TinheadNed:

i've never seen chanserv sigsegv before

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Juski:

this mytharchive business... it's currently doing a job, replexing the stream – I'm in the log viewer screen – can I just quit out of it & the job will continue?

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Juski:

yes I can... nm

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laga_:

Juski: yep.

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Juski:

this stuff is really totally awesome. I don't use that word often

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TinheadNed:

now that my computer's stopped frequently crashing, and it doesn't appear to have been myth's fault, I can entirely agree :)

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laga_:

Juski: yep. it has its flaws, but it least it works :)

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laga_:

i hope i get some time to play more with it next week. and i've gotta fix my dvd writer. right now the box crashes when something accesses the writer

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Juski:

whoa I just had an idea... for the multi-user stuff that has been mooted for mythtv's SoC projects I think it'd be cool to have an 'experience' level preference to make some stuff more wizard-like – e.g. to give fewer options. say for setting a recording, it'd take a basic set of default values & use them

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TinheadNed:

like xine?

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Juski:

kind of

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Juski:

say at the 'basic' level, when you go in to schedule a recording, it'd just use a default priority & stuff

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xris:

Juski: I plan to do something like that in mythweb.

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TinheadNed:

one thing confuses me – I can't work out whether a file has been transcoded or not, in mythtv or mythweb – am I missing something?

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Juski:

what made me think of it is that myth is starting to look & feel more like a set top box, if you know what I mean

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TinheadNed:

only way I tell is from looking at the filename

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TinheadNed:

Juski: it's next to our sky+ box, and its functionality is a lot better

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Juski:

TinheadNed: commflags & bookmarks are set up to be visible, but not transcoding...

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_nero_:

xris- I did a simple rollover/ajax bit for mythweb, to reduce the load time (roll overs for the show info).. I had heard this was being worked on.. is this true?

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_nero_:

its not "final" yet.. but if there is interest, I'd be happy to finish it up this weekend.

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TinheadNed:

Juski: it's a bit of a shame – but now I've got the sata drive, not so urgent any more

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Juski:

TinheadNed: I think the DB would need another column

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TinheadNed:

Juski: ah

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Juski:

another flippant remark – it'd be 'easy' to add though I imagine

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Juski:

but one thing to consider is that there's precious enough space on screen to put icons as it is

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TinheadNed:

Juski: hmm – could go horribly worng though

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TinheadNed:

Juski: not next to the others? there's only two, and the whole screen width to fill up

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Juski:

TinheadNed: the code would only have to change the flag when it'd actually moved the temp file across/deleted the old one

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Juski:

so a failed transcode wouldn't end up with the 'transcoded' flag

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TinheadNed:

and some more code to display an icon

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Juski:

cut & paste, mostly

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TinheadNed:

i won't change anything yet – i'm going to stick with the version in gentoo – then after a month, I'll move to svn head

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Juski:

that's how I work :-P

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TinheadNed:

then maybe some coding

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_nero_:

xris?? any feedback on that??

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TinheadNed:

you did the themes, didn't you? can't cut and paste one of those

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Juski:

TinheadNed: I did two themes.

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Juski:

the code to actually display stuff is in the source

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TinheadNed:

Juski: indeed – i'm using the widescreen one

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Zider:

me too

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TinheadNed:

well there you go

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Zider:

change of plans – I didn't need to leave :P

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Juski:

heya kormoc

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TinheadNed:

'lo kormoc

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Juski:

lets try this 'mythcenter' (sic) theme then...

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xris:

_nero_: yeah, it's on the todo list

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kormoc:

Mornin' guys

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Zider:

sic?

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TinheadNed:

Zider: means the mistake is left in on purpose

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_nero_:

xris- todo or "started" ;) I'd be happy to finish up what I did/contribute the code if it would help..

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xris:

waiting for summer of code slot allocation numbers to see if we got a slot for the mythweb ui/ajax redesign project.

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Juski:

Zider: http://www.askoxford.com/asktheexperts/faq/usage/sic

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kormoc:

Zider, SIC may mean one of the following: *[sic] or (sic) (from Latin sic for "thus"; see also list of Latin phrases) is a bracketed expression used to indicate that an unusual spelling, phrase, or any other preceding quoted material is intended to be read or printed exactly as shown (rather than being an error) and should not be corrected. ...

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kormoc:

en.wikipedia.

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_nero_:

gotcha..

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Juski:

boils my piss, that spelling. must chill out some

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Zider:

hm, I don't see any mistake there..

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Zider:

ah well

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TinheadNed:

Zider: centre

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Zider:

I guess I'm just daft as usual

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Zider:

TinheadNed: isn't center and centre the same thing?

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TinheadNed:

Juski: i've never heard that saying before

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_nero_:

xris- if you dont get the SoC allocation, let me know.. I'm working on a pretty big Ajax project right now, and would be happy to share my ajaxing ability..

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Juski:

apparently though the americans use the olde English spellings

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TinheadNed:

Zider: yes, but one is spelt wrong ;)

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Zider:

I thought it was just different spelling, not that one or the other was wrong

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TinheadNed:

Juski: such as -ization?

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Juski:

TinheadNed: yes, color is another example

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TinheadNed:

Zider: one is wrong, it just depends on which country you're from

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laga_:

wow. i didn't know american english versus britisch english was such a big issue :)

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TinheadNed:

Juski: technically, -ization is correct, according to the OED. It's an older spelling again

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TinheadNed:

laga_: in england it is

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Juski:

we will not be assimilated

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Zider:

laga_: me neither.. as long as the meaning is clear, who cares ;)

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** laga_ will make sure to use the british spelling from now on ;) **

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laga_:

Zider: meaning is overrated

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opello:

when they decided liter should be litre ... they were just being silly

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TinheadNed:

opello: well, the french decided that – they invented it

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Juski:

I wonder how long a mythreplex is gonna take on a multi GB file with this puny machine

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Zider:

laga_: ;)

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TinheadNed:

Juski: what's mythreplex?

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laga_:

TinheadNed: like replex,but mythified

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Juski:

error?! wah!

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laga_:

Juski: "owned!!11"

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TinheadNed:

laga_: good?

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Zider:

laga_: it's "0mgl0l0wn3d"

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TinheadNed:

laga_: dvb -> dvd?

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Zider:

;)

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laga_:

TinheadNed: dunno, haven't played much with mytharchive yet

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laga_:

TinheadNed: kind of, yes.

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TinheadNed:

right

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laga_:

Zider: i stand corrected.

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Juski:

TinheadNed: if you'd call burning DVDs from mythfrontend 'good', then yeah ;-)

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TinheadNed:

Juski: I haven't got cd burning working yet

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Juski:

I don't even have a burner in the machine yet

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TinheadNed:

that's mainly due to the cdr tray not opening – still need to find a pin to wedge in there

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Juski:

it's gonna inherit the one out of my desktop machine soon – when I buy a new one

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mici:

Thanks for the till now guys – right now I am recompiling myth so I cant test it, but I can control the volume if I have the v4lctl volume mute off

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mici:

I mean kdetv does it...

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Juski:

mici: myth records the audio along with the video – even for live tv

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TinheadNed:

mici: you could always write a patch ;) what ver are you using?

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Zider:

I hope to afford a (working) tuner card this month.. if the lenses aren't too expensive.. :P

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Juski:

mici: so you need the input muted or there'll be an echo

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mici:

The reason why I have it like this – This is my All in One Desktop/WKS box runs on an 2800+athlon with 1.5Giga mem and I want it as a backend with TV cards in it...

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Juski:

mici: screw that. I'm telling you again that mythtv does not use the 'playback' channel of your soundcard for you to hear the tv audio

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Juski:

sorry to record the tv audio, which is what livetv is doing

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mici:

In the living room I will have a thin client just for dumping the video/audio to my TV and Amp

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mici:

Juski – I will keep you updated – I cant try it right now b/c myth 19 is compiling right now...

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mici:

Will see how that works out...

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mici:

I will be able to play with the settings once I am sure theres sound comming out from the tuner card at least...

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Juski:

mici: the way livetv in mythtv works okay... it records audio from the soundcard and video from the TV card, then plays it back. that's live tv. so if you have the tv audio unmuted in the playback section of your linux mixer, you will hear _both_ but one will be delayed slightly. and when you leave livetv, you'd still be able to hear the 'playback' mixer input

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mici:

Juski its not clear though... My TV Tuner card is connected to the LINE input on my Soundcard but the sound is constanly unmuted on the TUNER card...

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mici:

So I can controll what I hear by unmuting LINE input...

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Juski:

mici: that is why you mute the line input in the playback section of the linux mixer

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Juski:

and _keep_ it muted

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Juski:

mythtv uses the _recording_ section of the mixer to get the tv audio

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mici:

Than how will myth find the sound?

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mici:

If LINE is muted What will myth record?

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casper__:

actually I am having an issue where mythtv seems to unmutes the line-in and I get an echo

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Juski:

mici: arghhh!

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casper__:

could this be an alsa/oss issue?

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Juski:

mici: it doesn't NEED the line input to be unmuted

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mici:

Jsuki! OK-0OK Sorry Body !

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Juski:

trust me on that :-)

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casper__:

would mythtv ever try to unmute the line-in?

[16:49:23]

mici:

I see now – The LINE has two controls – Palyback and Record

[16:49:54]

Juski:

yup :-)

[16:50:06]

Juski:

playback is what you hear _now_

[16:50:06]

mici:

Juski – I mean switches ... Playback and Record Switch – Its clear now...

[16:50:29]

mici:

OK line playback stays muted – as a matter of fact kdetv does the same thing...

[16:50:32]

Juski:

good :-)

[16:50:49]

mici:

Thanks Juski!

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mici:

casper__: Listen to Juski – Line has two mute/unmute switches – one for playback and one for record...

[16:51:51]

TinheadNed:

brb

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mici:

Look under gnomealsamixer or kmix

[16:51:56]

casper__:

yes yes I understand that all

[16:52:18]

casper__:

as I said, it seems that mythtv is UNMUTING my line-in (after I have muted it)

[16:52:20]

mici:

casper – So now for me – I have Playback Muted and Record Unmuted...

[16:52:23]

Juski:

casper: I have no idea why myth would be unmuting the line in

[16:52:37]

Juski:

unless you've changed something

[16:52:39]

casper__:

mici: yes I believe that would be correct

[16:52:48]

mici:

caper – Thats correct – MUTE and LEAVE LINE/OUT Playback muted

[16:52:59]

casper__:

Juski: me either... what could I have changed?

[16:54:04]

Juski:

casper: in mythfrontend, general settings.. what do you have for mixer device & mixer controls ?

[16:54:38]

janneg:

fred_basset: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1826 consecutive recordings fixed.

[16:55:11]

Juski:

fred_basset has left the building... but ta for the heads up.. I'll grab a new svn now

[16:55:13]

casper__:

Juski: one moment, I'm just going to test again and make sure here

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Juski:

aha! that app I;m trying is trying to write to a dir that doesn't exist. that might have done it

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TinheadNed:

back

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TinheadNed:

Juski: what are you writing?

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Juski:

TinheadNed: just checked some settings & found that the plugin is trying to write to a dir that isn't there

[16:58:36]

TinheadNed:

Juski: this is your mythcentre thing?

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Juski:

TinheadNed: no.. just thinking out loud

[17:00:58]

TinheadNed:

Juski: oh

[17:01:02]

qfour20:

What agp card would be best suited for a living room mythtv box?

[17:01:07]

qfour20:

i think mine just died :-(

[17:01:16]

xris:

qfour20: cheap? geforce 6200

[17:01:16]

kormoc:

nvidia 6200 is my recommendation

[17:01:18]

TinheadNed:

qfour20: i have a geforce 5200

[17:01:24]

Juski:

qfour20: nvidia 5200 if you don't want hdtv

[17:01:34]

qfour20:

6200 able to do XvMC without issues?

[17:01:45]

TinheadNed:

i think all geforces can do xvmc

[17:01:50]

TinheadNed:

it's not complicated

[17:02:06]

Zider:

I believe there was some issues with xvmc and newer cards

[17:02:13]

Zider:

but I'm not sure

[17:02:24]

TinheadNed:

they're supposed to be doing mpeg4 in hardware soon

[17:02:31]

laga_:

[17:02:34]

qfour20:

my 6800le just *stopped* providing video yesterday

[17:02:40]

qfour20:

was very depressing

[17:03:03]

qfour20:

could still ssh into the box, then i rebooted it, now it won't even come up

[17:03:05]

laga_:

TinheadNed: for example, my geforce 4 ti 4200 can't do xvmc, as far as i know. at least not the xvmc that mythtv wants :)

[17:03:28]

kormoc:

qfour20, 6200 can do XvMC fine, it's just more if the rest of the computer can

[17:03:30]

TinheadNed:

laga_: really?

[17:03:48]

laga_:

TinheadNed: yep. and my gf2 mx can't do it for sure. the gf4 mx does xvmc, though.

[17:04:00]

Juski:

xvmc gave me a proper headache last night

[17:04:09]

** laga_ takes his nvidia cards to bed for cuddling every night **

[17:04:25]

qfour20:

rest of the computer is xp2600mobile, 1gb pc3200, nf2 mobo

[17:04:31]

** Zider leaves the card in the computer **

[17:04:38]

TinheadNed:

actually – I need to check that xvmc is still working – mythfrontend is using more CPU than it used to

[17:04:49]

TinheadNed:

does myth throw an error if xvmc fails?

[17:04:53]

laga_:

Zider: sure, but you're not that interested in cuddling iirc ;)

[17:05:11]

Zider:

laga_: not the kind you're doing maybe :P

[17:05:23]

Zider:

laga_: but that's not exactly cuddling

[17:05:37]

qfour20:

be sure you clean off the contacts on the card when you're done "cuddling"

[17:05:47]

casper__:

Juski: http://pastebin.ca/57127 I'm using audio output device ALSA:default, /dev/mixer, and mixer controls master. any ideas?

[17:05:54]

Juski:

TinheadNed: X segfaulted when xvmc failed for me

[17:05:58]

Juski:

casper__: no idea

[17:06:08]

TinheadNed:

Juski: perhaps it's just that the FE is reading/writing from the network now

[17:06:27]

casper__:

and /dev/mixer definitely exists and works

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Juski:

casper__: is mythtv in the audio group?

[17:07:40]

laga_:

casper__: just put "default" in there for the mixer. i don't think using alsa for output and oss for controlling the volume works well

[17:07:44]

laga_:

controlling? controling?

[17:07:53]

kormoc:

qfour20, XvMC is quite flaky. I have a 2.4 ghz p4 on a intel 875 chipset, XvMC worked fine on my FX5800, when Xris got my card, he had a 2.4 ghz p4 on a 865 chipset motherboard, using the exact same 5800, and XvMC was slower then just Xv, yet on my 875, it was much faster.

[17:08:23]

casper__:

Juski: yeah, mythtv is in the audio group and can play audio fine with other programs, i.e. tvtime

[17:08:37]

qfour20:

would I just be better off getting a cpu with more "oomph" and not worryinig about XvMC?

[17:08:50]

qfour20:

i want to be able to do 1080i/1080p

[17:08:50]

casper__:

laga_: "ALSA:default" or just "default"; I just tried the former, and the same error message appears

[17:09:01]

laga_:

casper__: just "default", iirc.

[17:09:05]

qfour20:

like maybe an opteron 165 or some such...

[17:09:13]

casper__:

should "mixer controls Master/PCM" make any difference?

[17:09:21]

casper__:

I'd prefer master...

[17:09:52]

kormoc:

qfour20, Well, it's a good idea to just get a 6200 for that in anycase. and yeah, if it's not fast enough, get a newer proc, but might as well give it a try.

[17:10:11]

qfour20:

awesome. Thanks. the 6200 sure is cheap too!

[17:10:13]

kormoc:

qfour20, re your 6200le not working right, have any ideas about why it isn't?

[17:10:35]

qfour20:

well... i overclocked it to death in its former role as my game box vidcard

[17:10:40]

qfour20:

but it was chuggin right along

[17:10:46]

qfour20:

had a zalman hsf on it

[17:10:56]

qfour20:

case was warm, but not *too* hot

[17:11:07]

qfour20:

i need to extract it and test it in another board

[17:11:12]

casper__:

I am using the mythtv version on http://deb.thehunter.ws/, and I wonder if that is causing problems. I think i might go back to the breezy badger release.

[17:11:28]

Juski:

0.18? nooooooo

[17:11:43]

qfour20:

0.19 is very much better, imo

[17:12:55]

qfour20:

as an interim solution... anyone built 0.19 on gentooX (xbox)? i think i still have an install of that lying around..

[17:14:08]

Juski:

heh. is this guy related to scopeuk? "hey im in the uk and looking for a tv card that will hook up to a projecter for my mayne tv. so quality is a must my pc is pritty good and will run anything easyly. buget is not much of a problem"

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TinheadNed:

good specs

[17:17:03]

xris:

I wish I could say things like "budget is not a problem"

[17:17:13]

casper__:

laga_: it seems to not complain about the mixer now, with "default" in there. but I am not getting ANY sound out now. I can play audio with another program fine as the mythtv user, but I don't hear a thing from mythtv when I go to "watch tv" (it does play video). also I'm seeing this message often: 2006-05–19 10:12:08.234 RingBuf(/var/lib/mythtv/1020_20060519101208.nuv): Invalid file (fd 15) when opening '/var/lib/mythtv/102

[17:17:16]

casper__:

0_20060519101208.nuv'. 12 retries remaining.

[17:17:16]

scopeuk:

Juski blatently not

[17:17:20]

scopeuk:

"budget is not an issue"

[17:17:23]

Juski:

lol scopeuk

[17:17:26]

Juski:

:-)

[17:18:00]

Juski:

happy friday! it's the weeeeeeekend. gonna have JD & coke with my meal tonight

[17:18:01]

sapbeast:

nothing says teh suck when going out for a lunck break and the car your driving in wont start on the way back

[17:19:17]

TinheadNed:

sapbeast: not such a good start for the weekend

[17:19:46]

TinheadNed:

you can tell it's the weekend as I've done emerge --sync and started upgrading things on my gentoo boxen

[17:19:49]

laga_:

sapbeast: it'd be worse if your car stalled on the way to your lunch

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** jams wonders how vncviewer can use 100MB or ram **

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Darby:

I just installed mythtv 0.19 with a pvr-350 card, using fbdev for X out to the tv. Watching live TV works fine, but watching recrded shows or video files fails with "Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device"

[17:22:10]

Darby:

i set the mplayer options to -vo fbdev

[17:23:10]

Darby:

any ideas what to try?

[17:23:32]

TinheadNed:

something else that can display to fb?

[17:24:26]

kormoc:

jams, that's easy, void *memory_usage = malloc(104857600);

[17:24:27]

Darby:

hmmmmm.... X and livetv are displaying to fb. I'm not sure what else you mean?

[17:24:39]

sapbeast:

not my car but my co-worker... but the good thing about working for a college... they have a full service automotive lab in the back :p

[17:25:35]

TinheadNed:

Darby: no, scratch that, sorry

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TinheadNed:

now that everything is working, I'm going to have to start seriously resisting buying a second tuner

[17:29:04]

TinheadNed:

well, everything working except xmltv- i'm using the transmitted guide atm

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TinheadNed:

how do I pause mythcommflag? I queued a few things up, and now I want them to stop while I'm watchingstuff

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xris:

TinheadNed: commflag running automatically?

[17:44:01]

TinheadNed:

xris: no, I set it up to queue manually

[17:44:22]

xris:

TinheadNed: but is it run by mythbackend, or did you run mythcommflag on your own?

[17:44:31]

TinheadNed:

oh – by the backend

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xris:

then it runs at nice 19 and won't affect your other stuff

[17:44:54]

TinheadNed:

xris: well, it sort of is a bit

[17:45:14]

TinheadNed:

xris: my gf is watching some tv, and every minute there's some slight skipping

[17:45:15]

xris:

ahh. well, no clue, then. I don't think you can pause it

[17:45:19]

TinheadNed:

total cpu usage is 70%

[17:45:29]

TinheadNed:

well, she hasn't complained, so I'll ignore it

[17:45:39]

xris:

laga_: a few days ago you recommended a "cool" console sftp client.. what was it?

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xris:

laga_: nevermind, found it (yafc)

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TinheadNed:

brb

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** xris wonders why the mythbox at work has decided to stop flagging commercials **

[17:53:12]

Zider:

I wonder if an Eden 1GHz would be enough for a SDTV front+backend..

[17:54:33]

xris:

Zider: hardware encoder, should be

[17:54:41]

Zider:

cool :D

[17:54:52]

Zider:

http://linuxdevices.com/files/misc/via_nano-lo.jpg &ndas h; cute little mobo :D

[17:54:56]

xris:

500mhz p3 works well enough with a hardware encoder

[17:55:13]

xris:

damn, quite cute.

[17:55:17]

jchome:

ACK, same here.

[17:55:20]

Zider:

12x12 cm

[17:55:37]

jchome:

got also a P3 1Ghz and a P3 700Mhz with MythTV.

[17:56:48]

Zider:

the problem would be getting a mini-pci tuner card :P

[17:57:04]

kormoc:

mini-pci?

[17:57:12]

Zider:

yeah

[17:57:23]

kormoc:

is that the white port behind the serial port?

[17:57:45]

Zider:

kormoc: no, to the right by the IDE port

[17:57:58]

Zider:

or maybe that's a floppy port

[17:58:14]

Zider:

to the right anyways

[17:58:49]

kormoc:

ooh, okay

[17:59:05]

kormoc:

laptop style port, didn't realize that was actually called mini-pci

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Zider:

ah

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Zider:

I haven't heard of any tuner cards for mini-pci.. so that would be the biggest problem :P

[18:00:24]

Juski:

ahh.. nanooo nanooo itx

[18:00:41]

kormoc:

Zider, AVerMedia makes one, m105 iirc

[18:01:07]

Zider:

kormoc: ooh? and it works in linux?

[18:01:15]

kormoc:

That I don't know

[18:01:55]

Juski:

Zider: considering hardware encoder takes very little CPU, and the Epia hw mpeg2 decoder works with <15% CPU with sdtv, I'd say ummm yes a 1ghz system can be a combined FE/BE

[18:02:56]

Zider:

Juski: nice.. then it's just the tuner card problem left.. :D

[18:04:24]

Juski:

M10k and above work very well – and you can get dual PCI risers for the EPIA boards

[18:05:22]

Zider:

Juski: are there mini-pci -> pci converters as well? :P

[18:05:49]

Juski:

I doubt it

[18:06:04]

Zider:

then it's screwed anyway

[18:06:08]

Juski:

maybe mini-pci > cardbus

[18:06:14]

Zider:

:P

[18:06:48]

Juski:

you'd still be able to make a dvd player sized pvr box with the m10000 or something though

[18:06:59]

Juski:

see www.tranquilpc.com

[18:07:05]

Zider:

isn't m10000 a mini-itx?

[18:07:10]

Juski:

yeh

[18:07:16]

Zider:

and this is a nano-itx

[18:07:31]

Juski:

mini-itx is nifty – granted not as small as nano-itx

[18:07:52]

Zider:

the thing was, a nano-itx front/backend would be totally sweet

[18:08:18]

Juski:

yeah, but a nano itx board would just swim in the kind of box you can buy

[18:08:55]

Zider:

so I'll build one. :)

[18:09:03]

Zider:

there are nano-itx cases as well

[18:09:15]

Juski:

phillips recently did some work with their nexperian boxes as mythtv frontends

[18:09:25]

Zider:

even a "minimal media pc" case.. ;)

[18:09:30]

Juski:

apparently they could do the backend stuff too

[18:09:33]

Zider:

nexperian?

[18:09:41]

Juski:

something like that

[18:09:46]

Juski:

they make STBs

[18:09:59]

Zider:

dunno what STB is..

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Juski:

set top box

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Zider:

ah

[18:10:41]

Juski:

get a case like the Hipermedia, mini-itx & you should be all set

[18:10:59]

Juski:

no bigger than a standalone, full width DVD player

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Zider:

what I would like is a CHEAP case with built-in IR.. but I haven't found any, at least not around here..

[18:11:35]

Juski:

no such thing

[18:11:40]

Juski:

I've been looking too

[18:12:23]

Zider:

having an external IR receiver is ugly.. imo.. :P

[18:12:43]

Juski:

eeks... just found out that a stream I recorded last night from DVB is 8mbits/sec.. and it has plenty mpeg artifacts!

[18:12:49]

dacorsa:

hello, exscuse me , myth tv support rotor and multi channel list for each satellites??

[18:12:56]

Juski:

dacorsa: yup

[18:13:18]

dacorsa:

where i can see it? some screenshot??

[18:13:22]

Juski:

lol

[18:13:43]

Juski:

the catch with dvb-s & mythtv is that not many people seem to know about it or document it

[18:13:47]

Zider:

are there even any IR receivers for internal mounting? like for connecting to an onboard serial port or something

[18:14:11]

Juski:

Zider: I'm gonna mod my box & connect the lirc serial receiver to a header on the motherboard

[18:14:42]

Zider:

so you'd have to build the receiver yourself then

[18:14:52]

Juski:

piece of pie

[18:14:58]

Juski:

you can of course buy them ready made

[18:15:26]

Zider:

are there any performance/functionality-wise difference between a serial and USB ir-receiver?

[18:15:27]

Juski:

http://www.juski.co.uk/juski_ccts.jpg

[18:15:52]

Juski:

Zider: for one thing a serial IR receiver will work with just about ANY remote – not the case with USB ones

[18:16:02]

Zider:

oh?

[18:16:24]

Zider:

I thought the usb ones would be much more powerful

[18:16:40]

dacorsa:

jushi i need to read my nds sky card

[18:16:49]

Juski:

USB ones would have a tiny processor inside which can only recognise the codes transmitted by the supplied remote (usually)

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dacorsa:

myth can read it with gbox??

[18:17:05]

Juski:

dacorsa: sky tv & mythtv do not mix

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dacorsa:

excuse me....now i read my sky card

[18:17:32]

Juski:

you can only decode encrypted TV with a hardware CAM & a proper card

[18:17:34]

dacorsa:

with VDR

[18:17:36]

dacorsa:

and suse

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Zider:

Juski: well, I was thinking about a "real" usb-ir-receiver/sender, not just a receiver+remote

[18:17:54]

dacorsa:

yes with cam

[18:17:56]

Juski:

dacorsa: VDR lets you do all sorts of illegal shit. mythtv does not

[18:17:57]

dacorsa:

hardware

[18:18:02]

Zider:

IRDA-dongle or what they're called

[18:18:27]

dacorsa:

i use my original card and cam

[18:18:40]

dacorsa:

nothing with myth??

[18:18:41]

Juski:

dacorsa: with a hardware (dragon for Sky TV I believe) CAM you should be fine

[18:18:49]

dacorsa:

ok

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dacorsa:

dragon old name

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dacorsa:

now trex

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Juski:

yep

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Juski:

I get all defensive about s***cams

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Juski:

;-)

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Juski:

dacorsa: I've looked for documentation on using DVB-S with mythtv & not found much at all

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dacorsa:

ok

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dacorsa:

thanks

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dacorsa:

i would like use for my dvb

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Juski:

hey if you get anywhere with it, document it all :-)

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Mattwj2005:

hey everyone

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dacorsa:

ok

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Juski:

Zider: there are some USB devices which will work with lots of remotes – just that the likes of the MCE remote won't

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Juski:

hey Mattwj2005

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Mattwj2005:

after serious thinking.....I am going to start off with a wireless keyboard instead of a romate

[18:22:10]

Mattwj2005:

*remote

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xris:

Juski: I hear that the MCE receiver works with other remotes.

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xris:

though that's only a rumor, and I also don't know if the transmitters are supported at all

[18:22:24]

Zider:

Juski: I have an old DVD remote from a broken DVD player I was planning on using.. since lirc should be pretty easily programmed, right?

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dacorsa:

ok

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dacorsa:

see ya

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dacorsa:

soon

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xris:

Zider: yeah, easy to use

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Juski:

xris: ok, but I suspect only with similar codes

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[18:22:53]

xris:

Juski: possibly.

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Zider:

first I was gonna steal the IR-receiver from the player as well.. but it turned out to be too integrated.. :P

[18:23:15]

Juski:

there's a really good box a workmate has but it hasn't got any linux driver apparently :-/

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endless_us:

Have error unable to find image file: /usr/share/mythtv/thems/blue/stream.png and ThemedMenuePrivate: Missing image in buttondef STREAM

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Juski:

Zider: it's normally a little 3-pin device unless it's surface mounted – in which case abandon all hope without the right desoldering gear

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Juski:

endless_us: which theme?

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Juski:

ah blue

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Zider:

Juski: well, it seems to be "built-in" with the front display and stuff

[18:24:25]

Juski:

endless_us: email the theme author & bother him :-P

[18:24:33]

endless_us:

How to fix. And also mouse cursor is almost unvisible.

[18:24:38]

endless_us:

yes blue

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Zider:

Juski: with a ribbon cable to the "main board" :P

[18:25:12]

Juski:

how to fix it? easy! get the theme creator to make the button image, or make one yourself

[18:25:34]

Juski:

endless_us: have you selected 'hide mouse cursor' in mythfrontend?

[18:25:46]

Juski:

cursor/pointer

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endless_us:

<Juski>: No. How to change themes?

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Zider:

if only I had a working tuner card, I could slaughter the VCR..

[18:27:28]

Juski:

endless_us: read the user manual in the wiki pages

[18:27:57]

Juski:

anyway it just means that theme has one button image missing – hardly something to make the box crash

[18:28:03]

Zider:

hum, maybe the receiver in the printer can be removed.. :P

[18:28:24]

Zider:

I'm surrounded with IR devices, but none that can be put in the mythbox :P

[18:28:27]

Juski:

Zider: not really worth it... you can buy the things for about $3

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janneg:

endless_us: mythfrontend – utillities/settings – setup – appeareance

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Zider:

Juski: the printer was given to me.. ;)

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** Juski is now in zero tolerance read the fucking manual mode **

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Juski:

Zider: chances are it's not CIR – prolly IrDA

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janneg:

/usr/share/mythtv/thems is surely a typo. should be /usr/share/mythtv/them_e_s

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Juski:

since when was blue the default theme anyway? I thought Gant was now.. so he def. knows how to change themes

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Zider:

Juski: is there a difference of the actual IR component or is it the surrounding circuitry?

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endless_us:

<Juski>: Thanks

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Juski:

Zider: the IR chip – the 3 pin thing is self-contained. it gets power and converts IR signals into a stream of data

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endless_us:

<Juski>: Is no poiner in the Theme menue also

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Mattwj2005:

here is a dumb question for you guys :P

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Juski:

endless_us: mythtv isn't designed to be used with a mouse

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Zider:

Juski: ah

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endless_us:

<Juski>: Thanks

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Juski:

and if you have 'hide mouse pointer' selected in the appearances setup screen that'll be why you can't see the fecking mouse pointer

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Juski:

there is limited support for mousey stuff in SVN

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Mattwj2005:

I have never used a wireless keyboard or mouse...does Linux support them well......or just because it is wireless it doesn't make a different and the computer doesn't see the difference....it is all built into the hardware

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kormoc:

aye, no difference

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kormoc:

works wonderfully, been wirefree for years

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Juski:

Mattwj2005: depends on the hardware. some require drivers

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Mattwj2005:

oh...dang

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Juski:

steer clear of bluetooth models to be sure

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Juski:

plenty of dumb ones you can plug into any old PC though

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kormoc:

Juski, I have a blue-toothe logitech mouse/keyboard at home, works well

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Mattwj2005:

I see an expensive wireless keyboard combo for $30......how do I know if it will work....it doesn't use bluetooth

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Juski:

really? I sort of expected drivers to be involved

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kormoc:

Juski, the bluetooth hub in the receiver works as a generic bluetooth hub and works with my phone and all that even

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Juski:

that's cool

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kormoc:

Juski, not at all, it shows up as a generic usb keyboard/mouse to the os with a bluetooth hub

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Juski:

be careful anyway – the range of some of the ones I looked at was pathetic (when they even listed it in their specs)

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Juski:

2 metres... like that's much fscking use to anyone ;-)

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kormoc:

a good plan is to get 2x the number of rechargable batterys, so you can swap when they die without down time waiting for them to charge

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Mattwj2005:

are most new ones RF nowdays?

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Juski:

Mattwj2005: yeah I think so

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Zider:

Juski: I just got a project idea

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kormoc:

most, aye, but there are plenty of IR ones, and they don't work very well

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Juski:

yeah Zider ?

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Zider:

Juski: modify my old el-crappo webcam to work as a remote receiver :D

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Juski:

mmmmkay

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Mattwj2005:

why would they even make IR.....that is nothing but garbage :-P

[18:39:23]

Juski:

depends on what you want. if you're happy with only line-of-sight it's fine

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Zider:

Juski: I'm only controlling it from the couch so it can be a pretty narrow view

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Mattwj2005:

I suppose it is healthier.....just what people need a little more radiation

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Zider:

Mattwj2005: the sensor receives all kind of light waves, but it's usually filtered before that

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Zider:

radiation..?

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Juski:

good luck finding an IR one though

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Mattwj2005:

RF devices have a radio transmitter built into them

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Zider:

Mattwj2005: RF != IR

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Juski:

the jury is well & truly out on how much RF is bad for human beings

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Mattwj2005:

lol....I know Zider

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Zider:

Juski: this one is.. I just remembered a friend of mine did a similar mod..

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Mattwj2005:

I had this one teacher in college who believed that RF signals cause cancer

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Mattwj2005:

but I have heard the other point of view as well

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Zider:

Mattwj2005: in excess, yes maybe

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Zider:

but so does potato chips :P

[18:43:00]

Juski:

they probably do, if they're high enough power and close enough

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Zider:

radars can fry you pretty good.. if you're close enough

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Zider:

so can a beefed-up cantenna :D

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Mattwj2005:

so who all has a RF keyboard? what type of range do you get on it?

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Mattwj2005:

nice Zider :P

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Juski:

all the ones I've seen in local shops have like 1.5, 2m range – if they say at all

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Mattwj2005:

that seems pretty low

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Juski:

even logitech don't seem to publish their range figures

[18:45:52]

Mattwj2005:

I just want to be able to sit on my easy chair and work with my MythTV box

[18:46:08]

Zider:

well, it depends on both the kbd/mouse and the device connected to the pc.. :P

[18:46:17]

Juski:

IMHO the amount of time you need to use the keyboard is pretty low

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Juski:

I sat for a while last night editing a recording from my armchair

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Juski:

scrolling through lists is easy too... but obviously things like custom searches are a little difficult with the onscreen keyboard

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Mattwj2005:

but 2 meter is only like what 6.6 feet?

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Mattwj2005:

I am a darn American ;)

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Zider:

get metric :P

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Juski:

range will have to be a tradeoff with battery life too don't forget – more power

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Mattwj2005:

how does power typically work on these devices? regular batteries? builtin rechargable?

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Juski:

one or the other

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Juski:

some come with base stations for charging

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warthog9:

how do you get mythtv / mplayer to output information to lcdproc?

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Mattwj2005:

okay cool...I'll have to look today

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Mattwj2005:

thanks everyone for the info

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tw-nym:

Why would mythtv segfault regardless of arguments (the app directly and through initscripts)?

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tw-nym:

It is the correct architecture, x86 on ubuntu. In fact it was working 10 minutes ago.

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Juski:

cos it's broken?

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kormoc:

cause something else is broken that it hits?

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teprrr:

hello, anyone happen to know any reason why mythtv can't fetch show data via eit?

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Juski:

teprrr: did you build mythtv yourself?

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Juski:

if not, chances are EIT is not built in

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janneg:

teprrr: have you used channels.conf import?

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teprrr:

Juski, oh, got it from some ubuntu repository.. unofficial one.. is there any way to check if the support is built in?

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teprrr:

janneg, yup. same channels.conf works for xine and klear

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teprrr:

and vdr(admin)

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teprrr:

um, well, vdr eats different format, but you got the point hopefully

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Juski:

if you import a channels.conf you miss out some crucial stuff for EIT

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teprrr:

oh. hmm.

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Juski:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . conf;#199298

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Mattwj2005:

hey guys I just found an RF keyboard for $30 USD bucks.....10 feet range or 3.3 Meter for everyone else in the world :P.....just thought I would tell you what I found

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sapbeast:

hats about standard

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Juski:

tired of playing with svn now – building 0.19-fixes

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Juski:

then I can image this drive, put it to one side & play all I want

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sapbeast:

dont think thats in the gentoo portage tree yet

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sapbeast:

it might be... id have to check

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kormoc:

gentoo has a few snapshots of 0.19-fixes in the tree

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teprrr:

hm, well, searched for the channels directly from mythtv-setup and doesn't seem to work

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teprrr:

maybe this doesn't have eit built in then :/

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sapbeast:

p9163-r1 is the latest

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TinheadNed:

back

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Juski:

teprrr: scanning is sort of broken in 0.19

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TinheadNed:

teprrr: tried changing the timeout?

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Juski:

look in the link I posted

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TinheadNed:

worked a treat for me with p9163-r1

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sapbeast:

ah i already had it installed

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TinheadNed:

I wonder if anyone has made a mythtv svn ebuild, that would be cool

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sapbeast:

didnt realize that

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sapbeast:

i still need to try and get mytharchive working this weekend, however

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Juski:

you won't get it working without using svn-head

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teprrr:

TinheadNed, hmm. frm where?

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TinheadNed:

teprrr: sorry?

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teprrr:

Juski, hm. well, okay.

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teprrr:

TinheadNed, where should I change the timeout?

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TinheadNed:

teprrr: in mythtv-setup – the default is 500ms – I changed mine to 5000ms, and left it for 10 minutes

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TinheadNed:

left it scanning, that is

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teprrr:

it finds the channels fine

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teprrr:

that's not the problem if you're referring to that

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TinheadNed:

teprrr: oh, misunderstoof

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teprrr:

but it doesn't seem even try to fetch the eit data

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sapbeast:

Juski: wth is svn-head?

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TinheadNed:

teprrr: mine took an hour to start grabbing it, if that's any help

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TinheadNed:

sapbeast: it means the latest version in the svn repository

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Juski:

sapbeast: the very latest, not 0.19-fixes

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Juski:

just FYI, latest SVN is very much improved in terms of scanning & EIT

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teprrr:

TinheadNed, ah. okay..

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sapbeast:

ahi see

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sapbeast:

well i didnt know about svn till yesterday, i guess its a replacement for cvs?

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Juski:

that's about the size of it

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sapbeast:

hmmm guess ill have to attempt that this weekend... and try not to hose my gentoo too badly by doing manual installs :p

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TinheadNed:

sapbeast: yeah – subversion, is the full name

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Bugatti:

got a simple question, when using the program guide how can I skip ahead a day?

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TinheadNed:

sapbeast: it's very good

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TinheadNed:

Juski: do I have to do complex things with the database to go from 9163 to head? apart from backup as a normal precaution?

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Juski:

TinheadNed: no – running mythtv-setup etc should upgrade the DB okay

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TinheadNed:

Juski: cool

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** TinheadNed tries to resist temptatino **

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sapbeast:

well my dilema is that im really starting to run into issues where i cant archive my older shows... frontends for transcode or transcode itself have both not worked at all

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TinheadNed:

and temptation, which is worse

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Juski:

btw Bugatti – not sure you can do that

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Bugatti:

damn

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TinheadNed:

whoops

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Mattwj2005:

any buddy have a list of the default keyboard mappings for MythMusic?

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Juski:

keys.txt ?

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Mattwj2005:

is that in the mythfrontend directory?

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Mattwj2005:

*mythtv-frontend directory

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Juski:

~/.mythtv I think

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Mattwj2005:

oh okay

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Mattwj2005:

I had no lucky Juski...but I did find it in MythWeb...thanks

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twothree:

bugatti – you can do it – hang on a sec I'll look it up for you

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Bugatti:

great, thanks!

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Juski:

you can?

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Juski:

home/end – move the eph left or right by one day

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Bugatti:

just what I was looking for, thanks guys

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Juski:

looked no further than www.mythtv.org. funny that

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Juski:

gonna watch some telly. bored watching the compiling

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Bugatti:

I looked at the docs, must have missed it

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twothree:

bugatti it may be easy or not depending on what you normally do, do you have channel jumping on in the guide (if you press 1 does it jump to channel 1?)

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Bugatti:

already got it, home / end does it

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Bugatti:

later

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twothree:

in the keys part of setup, under TV Frontend there is DAYRIGHT and DAYLEFT from

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twothree:

ok

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lwizardl:

hi

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lwizardl:

for playing hdtv videos what system specs would i need for 1080i

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xris:

lwizardl: > 2Ghz and a good video card

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lwizardl:

like what video card would allow me to display on my hdtv using either dvi or a vga-2-rgb component

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kormoc:

a nvidia 6200 or better

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sapbeast:

i think nvidia is your only current option for decent performance

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Kazan:

XvMC?

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Kazan:

Chrome chipsets

[19:54:45]

ivor:

or a cuddly little epia.

[19:54:48]

Kazan:

(ir DeltaChrome)

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Kazan:

s/ir/ie

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ivor:

Kazan: no drivers yet.

[19:55:21]

Kazan:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC#Unichrome

[19:55:33]

Kazan:

"Included in recent versions of Xorg (6.9 and 7.0) (Newer chipsets supported in openchrome-svn first.)"

[19:55:56]

ivor:

Kazan: yeah there are no DeltaChrome drivers yet.

[19:56:06]

** Kazan checks openchrome **

[19:56:10]

Kazan:

shouldn't be too long

[19:57:10]

xris:

lwizardl: many good video cards come with component adapters.. but I think the only way to get HD is either dvi/hdmi or direct vga

[19:58:26]

** jams was never pleased with the quality of component out **

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jams:

darn screen flickers with the new ui fading

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lwizardl:

xris, i can do dvi with no promblem my tv has the connector. but I kinda would like to use this if possible http://www.buy.com/prod/Steren_253_512IV_VGA_ . . . 0133330.html

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lwizardl:

xris, i can do dvi with no promblem my tv has the connector. but I kinda would like to use this if possible

[20:01:30]

ivor:

eh? if you can do dvi... why would you do component?

[20:01:41]

lwizardl:

that seemed to cut out on my screen

[20:01:54]

lwizardl:

ivor, becuase I have a Component video switcher

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Kazan:

so

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Kazan:

isn't componant analog?

[20:02:26]

xris:

lwizardl: but component is analog

[20:02:31]

Kazan:

stay pure digital

[20:02:41]

Kazan:

digital->analog->digital = quality--;

[20:02:49]

TinheadNed:

lwizardl: maximum res of dvi is below 1080i?

[20:03:05]

ivor:

TinheadNed: ? no it isn't

[20:03:19]

lwizardl:

yeah i know that component video isn't true digital

[20:03:36]

TinheadNed:

ivor: what is the max then? it's not that high iirc

[20:03:51]

xris:

lwizardl: if that works, then you're probably fine. I don't think I'd trust it, though

[20:04:04]

xris:

why not just let the tv do the switching if you have the free dvi port?

[20:04:06]

Kazan:

TinheadNed: dvi can do full 1080p60

[20:04:17]

lwizardl:

TinheadNed, i may be wrong but if i remember correctly the screen res for 1080 is 1920x1080

[20:04:19]

TinheadNed:

it was only a guess

[20:04:25]

** ivor bangs his head until his eyes start bleeding. **

[20:04:32]

xris:

lwizardl: that's correct

[20:04:47]

Kazan:

maximum throughput is 9.96 Gbit/s

[20:05:17]

xris:

dvi + audio == hdmi... they wouldn't push hdmi as a standard for tv if it couldn't handle 1080p

[20:05:48]

TinheadNed:

ah, I thought hdmi wasn't so closely linked to dvi

[20:06:07]

Kazan:

1920x1080 * 24bpp * 60 frames per second

[20:06:07]

lwizardl:

xris, well i can use the dvi on the mythtv box but I'd also like to have the option incase I take the box to a friends house that might not have dvi but has component

[20:06:09]

xris:

TinheadNed: no, it's literally just dvi with audio

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TinheadNed:

well, I learn something new everyday

[20:06:33]

jams:

or sometimes you can get hdmi without audio

[20:06:46]

jams:

seems silly to me

[20:06:48]

opello:

so are there dvi + audio -> hdmi adapters?

[20:06:54]

Kazan:

best mode for HDTV is dual link GTF blanking at 85hz i delieve

[20:07:00]

Kazan:

opello: yes

[20:07:02]

lwizardl:

yeah dvi usually has he audio connector next to it for you to plug in the audio source. hdmi has it built into the cable and connector

[20:07:15]

xris:

lwizardl: almost any video card you get will come with an svideo or composite adapter (some come with component, too)... could just use that for portability.

[20:07:22]

Kazan:

http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=dvi+to+hd . . . amp;ct=title

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Kazan:

eww.. that's right.. i'll be running analog audio :(

[20:08:20]

octan:

howdy all

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lwizardl:

here is this for dvi to hdmi http://sewelldirect.com/gefen-dvi-audio-hdmi- . . . xkSAodpitv8Q

[20:08:43]

lwizardl:

xris, true i didn't think about that

[20:09:08]

octan:

anyone got an ide why mythfrontend is running so slow?.. the menus are loading as fast as an 90year dude crosses the streat

[20:09:14]

octan:

*street

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xris:

octan: svn?

[20:09:20]

octan:

yes

[20:09:27]

xris:

no opengl acceleration?

[20:09:32]

octan:

yes

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xris:

so go into the settings and turn off the opengl menu effects

[20:09:58]

octan:

during configure it sayd that open gl wwill be included

[20:10:12]

Kazan:

do you know when .20 is due xris?

[20:10:21]

xris:

Kazan: no clue

[20:10:33]

xris:

octan: doesn't mean it's hardware accelerated.

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octan:

xris my graf card sould handel it.. same with X i use the nvidia drivers

[20:10:47]

xris:

and from what you're describing, I'd say it's definitely not.

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xris:

octan: then something's messed in your config.

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octan:

hmm

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xris:

octan: you can disable the opengl menu effects in the frontend settings, though... not sure exactly where, but I know it's there.

[20:12:59]

vid01:

what driver do i use for tv-PVR 883

[20:13:15]

Kazan:

very good thing to have on your mythbox: http://kazan.gotdns.org:8000/phpsysinfo/

[20:13:39]

octan:

xris ok thxz,, i'll try that and see how it goes

[20:15:05]

xris:

Kazan: assuming that the temps are correct... mine never are

[20:16:16]

vid01:

xris:what was that kernal moduel that you said i should use for my capturecard

[20:16:28]

lwizardl:

xris, so 2ghz cpu is all thats required for playback of 1080i videos, what about if i wanted to record on the same box?

[20:16:40]

Kazan:

xris: mine seem to be about right

[20:16:45]

TinheadNed:

Kazan: cute

[20:16:56]

Kazan:

xris: i'm pretty sure temp2 is CPU and temp1 is another probe somewhere on the mobo

[20:17:05]

xris:

lwizardl: 2ghz is *bare* minimum...

[20:17:12]

Kazan:

my two WD 80GBers that i use in the LVM can get really fuqing hot

[20:17:28]

Kazan:

if the ambient temperature outside goes about 75F my system starts to lockup

[20:17:35]

mchou:

lwizardl: 2 ghz aint gonna cut it

[20:17:35]

xris:

lwizardl: recording is pretty low on the cpu, depending on the method used (firewire or hdtv tuner card).

[20:17:48]

xris:

mchou: my 2.4G cpu works fine

[20:17:51]

mchou:

lwizardl: certainly not for 1080i

[20:17:57]

Kazan:

my harddrives have actually made the case above them become untouchably hot before

[20:17:59]

xris:

2ghz is generally considered the bare mininum for 1080i

[20:18:17]

mchou:

xris: I disagree

[20:18:32]

mchou:

2 Ghz is too low

[20:18:42]

lwizardl:

I plan on using a hdtv tuner card

[20:18:44]

xris:

mchou: you're allowed to, but 2ghz is the number put out by the devs when hdtv first started being used, so it's the number I quote.

[20:18:45]

Kazan:

i never realized HDTV was so CPU intensive to decode until I started reading up on it's requirements for myth

[20:18:47]

ivor:

mchou: and I disagree it's too high. :D

[20:18:55]

mchou:

much better to have more headroom when it comes to 1080i

[20:18:59]

xris:

lwizardl: personally, I'd shoot for something in the 2.8+ equivalency.

[20:19:47]

Kazan:

xris do you think a sempron 2500+ with a nvidia board could handle HDTV output?

[20:20:08]

mchou:

lwizardl: if you need to de-int you gonna even need more CPU headroom

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xris:

Kazan: it'd be a bit slow with the small cache.

[20:20:57]

xris:

mchou: no need to deint going into a 1080i tv

[20:21:23]

Kazan:

xris: hmm

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mchou:

xris: true, but if it's a CPU monitor, OTOH :)

[20:21:51]

Kazan:

xris: because if I get an HDTV i'm going to pull out the BTTV card I have, put in a fireware card and an pcHDTV card, get an HDTV+firewire box

[20:21:57]

xris:

mchou: in this case, it's not, though

[20:22:05]

xris:

Kazan: why both?

[20:22:16]

Kazan:

dual tuning HDTV content

[20:22:23]

Kazan:

local broadcast and what's on the box

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Kazan:

so i would need to have enough CPU left in the background to be pulling up to four encoder streams to the LVM array i have at once

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mchou:

and I no longer use myth to play back 1080i streams cause it's SUCH a CPU hog

[20:23:38]

mchou:

xine is way more efficient

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Kazan:

i've heard it's internal player is a "not so efficient"

[20:24:14]

Kazan:

should just write a .nuv filter for xine and use xine-lib

[20:24:16]

mchou:

Kazan: I have 3.2Ghz and with myth 1080i it hits 100%

[20:24:38]

Kazan:

and with xine?

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mchou:

Kazan: with xine it barely touches 70%

[20:24:46]

Kazan:

you got xvmc?

[20:24:51]

mchou:

yup

[20:25:01]

Kazan:

good fuqing $DIETY

[20:25:29]

Kazan:

70% CPU utilization on a 3.2ghz USING xvmc... that's fuqing insane

[20:25:50]

ivor:

peaked at 65% on a 1ghz using VLD. :D

[20:25:55]

Kazan:

VLD?

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mchou:

Kazan: actually, I dont remember if those figures are with xvmc or not

[20:25:57]

xris:

octan: UPDATE settings SET data=0 WHERE value='ThemePainter';

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xris:

Kazan: epia's version of xvmc

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mchou:

Kazan: I just remember being shocked at the diff betw xine and myth

[20:26:33]

Kazan:

mchou: i cannot imagine they are based on the other numbers i've seen

[20:26:52]

octan:

<xris> ok ui'll try that

[20:26:55]

Kazan:

xris: i thought the unichrome XvMC was a more complete set than nvidia's (ie more offloaded onto the video card)

[20:27:04]

mchou:

but trust me, both xine and myth were using SW/xmvc......

[20:27:18]

mchou:

when I tested

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mchou:

Kazan: ^^^

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xris:

Kazan: no clue

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mchou:

Kazan: anyway, ppl that say 2Ghz is "enough" dont give you any metrics on how many frames get dropped

[20:29:24]

mchou:

and I doubut they would even know how to determine that

[20:29:35]

mchou:

doubt*

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** Kazan doesn't know how to determine that **

[20:29:49]

** Kazan shrugs **

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Kazan:

video coding isn't my speciality

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TinheadNed:

ttyl

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Ediehow:

hi friends

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ivor:

always makes me wonder why if via are capable of producing a GPU that can do that.... whats up with NVidia and ATI.

[20:35:21]

Ediehow:

for a machine that uses myth a lot, a compaq with 2.13ghz athlon xp, or a dell with 2ghz p4?

[20:35:40]

ivor:

Ediehow: depends what you're decoding.

[20:36:07]

ivor:

and what your gpu is

[20:36:13]

Ediehow:

well, my pvr 150 does mpeg2

[20:36:18]

Ediehow:

and i have nvidia 6200

[20:36:56]

mchou:

the silence is deafening

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Ediehow:

ivor: i can't even multitask right now while watching mythtv

[20:37:40]

Ediehow:

with the athlon chip

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mchou:

Ediehow: both would be overkill for decoding analog

[20:37:56]

Ediehow:

like, i can't really use firefox while using mythtv

[20:38:08]

** ivor is defleaing a cat... **

[20:38:09]

Ediehow:

that's why i was wondering about switching over to the dell with the p4

[20:38:10]

mchou:

Ediehow: I'm assuming that's what you're decoding since you mention pvr150

[20:38:24]

Ediehow:

mchou: yeah.

[20:38:55]

mchou:

Ediehow: huh?? you cant load firefox while myth is on?

[20:39:10]

Ediehow:

i mean, if i go click on a link in firefox while mythtv is playing, it starts chunking the video

[20:39:17]

Ediehow:

and i noticed in top the cpu usage gets really high

[20:39:24]

mchou:

lol

[20:39:29]

Kazan:

ivor: i think ATI and nVidia's biggest issues with linux support are jackass IP "We gotta hide our shit!!!!!" issues

[20:39:46]

Ediehow:

so basically, i can't even browse the web while using mythtv

[20:39:53]

mchou:

Ediehow: that's more likely due to your disk access

[20:39:54]

kothog:

you want them to open themselves up to litigation from the companies they license their tech from?

[20:39:58]

Kazan:

um......

[20:40:04]

Ediehow:

well, dma is on

[20:40:05]

Kazan:

a mythtv box should always be a dedicated box

[20:40:12]

Ediehow:

Kazan: no it shouldn't.

[20:40:13]

Kazan:

kothog: that's the problem

[20:40:21]

mchou:

Ediehow: store videos on a separate disk

[20:40:23]

Kazan:

kothog: they shouldn't be agreeing to dumbass licensing terms

[20:40:41]

Ediehow:

mchou: well, using firefox period makes the cpu go ridiculously high

[20:40:46]

Ediehow:

even without myth running

[20:40:52]

kothog:

Kazan: yea.. so nVidia decides it's no good, ATI decides it is, and ATI kicks nVidia's ass the next fabrication cycle.

[20:40:54]

mchou:

Ediehow: no argument there :)

[20:40:54]

Ediehow:

just wondering if an intel chip would be able to deal with all that better.

[20:41:06]

mchou:

Ediehow: I doubt it

[20:41:17]

mchou:

Ediehow: firefox is a hog

[20:41:19]

Ediehow:

it doesn't occur in XP, just in linux.

[20:41:38]

mchou:

Ediehow: hell, then use XP :)

[20:41:51]

Kazan:

firefox is a hog because it uses java

[20:41:51]

Ediehow:

Juski: you around?

[20:41:54]

kothog:

Kazan: the problem isn't with nvidia and ATI. if you want to do something worthwhile, go find out who these other companies are and do a slashdot story about it.

[20:42:07]

Kazan:

good point

[20:42:20]

Ediehow:

Kazan: i;m talking about pages that don't even use java

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Kazan:

firefox uses java

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Ediehow:

any page with a decent amount of graphics does it.

[20:42:37]

Kazan:

IE part of firefox is in java

[20:42:42]

Ediehow:

and it's the same thing with openoffice

[20:42:46]

Kazan:

yup

[20:42:48]

Ediehow:

i can't do much with openoffice while using mythtv

[20:42:51]

Kazan:

it's fuqing obnoxious

[20:42:56]

Kazan:

use wxWidgets you c00nts

[20:43:18]

Ediehow:

basically, any somewhat large application while watching mythtv or doing other video stuff doesn't really work

[20:43:39]

ivor:

haw are you doing for memory?

[20:43:44]

Ediehow:

768mbddr

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mchou:

Kazan: notice how noboby on this channel answered the question regarding dropped frames? :)

[20:44:12]

ivor:

whih question

[20:44:18]

ivor:

which

[20:44:29]

ivor:

(still typing one handed)

[20:44:29]

kothog:

dropped frames?

[20:44:37]

Kazan:

oh FFS those goddamn pro-censorship political hacks in washington voted to stiffen "obscenity" fines again

[20:44:45]

Kazan:

i'll tell them what a fucking obscenity is

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Kazan:

CENSORSHIP IS AN OBSCENITY!

[20:45:06]

Ediehow:

Kazan: so let me guess, you're for hardcore porn on daytime tv?

[20:45:10]

Kazan:

passed without a single no-vote

[20:45:10]

Ediehow:

in between a cartoon or two?

[20:45:12]

xris:

Kazan: firefox is not written in java.... if it was, it wouldn't work on my system

[20:45:18]

Kazan:

Ediehow: don't like what is on the channel, change it

[20:45:21]

kothog:

Ediehow: daytime *broadcast* tv!!

[20:45:25]

Ediehow:

Kazan: so you'd be ok with that, right?

[20:45:26]

Kazan:

Ediehow: the vchip and tv-ratings exist for a farking reason

[20:45:32]

Kazan:

i'd be 100% fine with that

[20:45:38]

Kazan:

take your argument from emotion and cram it

[20:45:40]

Ediehow:

good to know you have reasonable beliefs about such things.

[20:45:58]

Kazan:

there is such thing as "different tv stations" for a reason

[20:46:05]

ivor:

right back two handed.

[20:46:06]

Kazan:

and the-tv-is-not-a-babysitter

[20:46:06]

kothog:

funny: <Kazan> take your argument from emotion and cram it

[20:46:15]

** Kazan chuckles **

[20:46:29]

Ediehow:

Kazan: have any kids?

[20:46:33]

Kazan:

irrelevant

[20:46:41]

Kazan:

the tv is not a babysitter

[20:46:44]

Ediehow:

not if you're acting as some moral aribtrator

[20:46:46]

Kazan:

make use of the vchip in your TV

[20:46:47]

Ediehow:

arbitrator

[20:46:57]

Ediehow:

isn't a vchip censorship?

[20:47:02]

Kazan:

no

[20:47:04]

Ediehow:

sure it is

[20:47:13]

Kazan:

or i should be more precise

[20:47:14]

xris:

Ediehow: controlled by YOU, though.

[20:47:16]

Kazan:

it's not government censorship

[20:47:24]

Kazan:

your tv, your vchip

[20:47:29]

ivor:

kothog: my comment about ATI & Nvidia wasn't about them releasing source/code or anything... it was simply that their cards are considerably more powerful that a via why can't they implement decent video acceleration.

[20:47:35]

Kazan:

little different from "You cannot say cunt on TV"

[20:47:45]

Kazan:

little different from "ZOMG! BREAST! $500k fine!"

[20:47:49]

Ediehow:

xris: so children can control it?

[20:47:54]

kothog:

xris: not really. I'm not the one who evaluated and decided the rules the vchip makes decisions from.

[20:48:04]

Ediehow:

exactly

[20:48:07]

Kazan:

Ediehow: are you familiar with the vchip?

[20:48:14]

Kazan:

ever heard of a "passcode"

[20:48:23]

Kazan:

ever heard of "any shows rated > x are disabled"

[20:48:23]

kothog:

ivor: You mean mpeg decoding..?

[20:48:46]

ivor:

indeed. or at least some decent level of acceleration.

[20:48:57]

Ediehow:

xris: do you think a p4 2ghz would be more optimal for decoding and multitasking than a 2.13ghz athlon xp?

[20:49:07]

mchou:

Fry's has a sempron 3000+ (retail) + NF3 mobo on sale for $100 today

[20:49:27]

mchou:

actually $99

[20:49:41]

mchou:

should be a64 capable

[20:50:04]

Kazan:

Ediehow: so, since the technology for people to control their childrens TV watching automatically has existed for... atleast a decade... why exactly do we need the government telling us what we can and cannot show on TV?

[20:50:36]

Ediehow:

Kazan: so we should get rid of the FCC, right?

[20:50:51]

Kazan:

no, the FCC shoudl be returned to it's original job

[20:50:58]

Ediehow:

"original job"

[20:50:59]

Ediehow:

haha

[20:51:03]

Kazan:

making sure stations don't step all over each others signal

[20:51:09]

kothog:

ivor: hrm. That's not going to happen anytime soon. the 350 has a decoder on it, and the hoops people have to jump through to get it working are a real pain. Perhaps you should more carefully define what you're looking for.. I would offer that there are better ways of doing it than making the video card into a generic co-processor.

[20:51:17]

Ediehow:

Kazan: so like, when you watch a football game

[20:51:21]

mchou:

Ediehow: FCC didnt make this law, Congress did

[20:51:30]

Ediehow:

mchou: fcc gets its authority from congress

[20:51:30]

Kazan:

Ediehow: oh now, don't change the frame of the argument

[20:51:35]

mchou:

Ediehow: so FCC is a complete strawman

[20:51:36]

kothog:

Kazan: huh? the government does with the vchip too.

[20:51:42]

Kazan:

Ediehow: misadvertise content is false advertising

[20:51:48]

Ediehow:

mchou: again, fcc gets authority from congress

[20:51:51]

Kazan:

kothog: the government controls your vchip?

[20:51:53]

Ediehow:

and has a lot of leverage

[20:52:00]

Kazan:

false advertising is already an offense

[20:52:07]

kothog:

Kazan: sure it does. who makes the ratings that the vchip uses to decide what to show you? certainly not you..

[20:52:11]

Ediehow:

Kazan: so let me get this straight, if you are watching a football game, it's your fault if they throw in, i dunno, the playboy bunnies running around in the middle?

[20:52:11]

mchou:

Ediehow: so what? Kazan was railing against congress, not FCC

[20:52:20]

Kazan:

IE if they advertise the show to be TVPG and it's TV-Adult that's false advertising

[20:52:33]

Kazan:

Ediehow: no, stop making moronic presumptious statements to construct straw man arguments

[20:52:44]

Kazan:

ie they mischaracterize the content of a show then they're at fault

[20:52:50]

ivor:

kothog: I'm not "looking for" anything. :) just making a point. that considering the power and complexity of the nvidia chipset it should do a damned site better job at mpeg decoding than it does with xvmc.

[20:52:51]

Ediehow:

Kazan: so basically, the consumer should have absolutely no expectations for anything they view

[20:52:54]

Ediehow:

yeah, that's certainly rational.

[20:52:55]

Kazan:

but if they say "hey, this shows going to contain nudity" then you've been warned

[20:53:04]

Kazan:

CAN YOU READ WHAT THE FUCK I'M TYPING

[20:53:10]

Ediehow:

Kazan: you need to take a cold shower.

[20:53:16]

Kazan:

or are you incapable of understanding english Ediehow?

[20:53:18]

Ediehow:

fines often happen for unscheduled stuff.

[20:53:24]

Kazan:

or do you SIMPLY REFUSE since you'd loose the argument

[20:53:32]

Ediehow:

loose the argument?

[20:53:39]

Ediehow:

someone has a problem with english here, that's for sure.

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mchou:

Ediehow: but not addressing the point and using irrelevant straw men

[20:54:07]

Kazan:

A) station advertises your Armored Wankball game as TVPG, B) there is a "wardrobe malfunction" that renders it TV-Adult, C) Station fined for false advertising

[20:54:10]

Ediehow:

mchou: might want to scroll up

[20:54:12]

mchou:

Ediehow: such as FCC

[20:54:16]

Ediehow:

a lot fines happen for unscheduled stuff

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** Kazan sighs **

[20:54:26]

Ediehow:

such as a music awards show and someone screaming the F word

[20:54:27]

kothog:

ivor: doubtful. mpeg decoding adds to chip count/complexity. it would be better to offload it to a generic, second co-processor. most chips are heading towards dual-core these days. quad-core is on the horizon.. let the video card be a pure display unit instead of specialising in the decoding of a single type of video stream..

[20:54:34]

Ediehow:

did they have a disclaimer beforehand, "YOU SHOULD EXPECT THE F WORD TO BE USED"

[20:54:44]

Kazan:

that's what the GODDAMN RATING SYSTEM IS FOR

[20:54:54]

Ediehow:

Kazan: what was the superbowl rated?

[20:55:03]

Ediehow:

the "wardrobe malfunction" one?

[20:55:05]

Kazan:

[15:54] <Kazan> A) station advertises your Armored Wankball game as TVPG, B) there is a "wardrobe malfunction" that renders it TV-Adult, C) Station fined for false advertising

[20:55:06]

mchou:

Ediehow: lol

[20:55:09]

Ediehow:

or

[20:55:12]

Kazan:

are you incapable of reading that sentance

[20:55:13]

Ediehow:

what was the grammy's rated?

[20:55:16]

Kazan:

i have already addressed your point

[20:55:20]

Ediehow:

the one where Bono used the F word

[20:55:20]

kothog:

Kazan: and who decides what qualifies as nudity? who decides what qualifies as non-nudity? coarse language?

[20:55:22]

Kazan:

[15:54] <Kazan> A) station advertises your Armored Wankball game as TVPG, B) there is a "wardrobe malfunction" that renders it TV-Adult, C) Station fined for false advertising

[20:55:36]

Ediehow:

Kazan: the fact is, your argument is irrational and that's why it's not used.

[20:55:37]

Kazan:

kothog: who decides if a movie is rated PG or R?

[20:55:37]

ivor:

kothog: yeah that mindset comes into fashion every few years... then goes out again as cheap single purpose chips become comodotized to do the job.

[20:55:50]

Kazan:

Ediehow: do you know the definition of the word "irrational"

[20:55:59]

Kazan:

Ediehow: because you haven't used it appropriately once yet

[20:56:02]

Ediehow:

Kazan: why yes, i think i do.

[20:56:02]

mchou:

Kazan: bingo!

[20:56:07]

Kazan:

Ediehow: you're the one using argument from emotion

[20:56:10]

Ediehow:

emotion?

[20:56:17]

Kazan:

"think about the children!"

[20:56:17]

Ediehow:

you're the one screaming and misspelling words

[20:56:29]

Kazan:

because you cannot read

[20:56:33]

Ediehow:

Kazan: i see, so anyone that disagrees with you is doing so out of emotion.

[20:56:39]

Ediehow:

that's perfectly rational.

[20:56:39]

Kazan:

you repeat the same point back to my which i haev already refuted

[20:56:39]

mchou:

Kazan: look up irrational in the dictionary and Ediehow's name shows up :)

[20:56:44]

Kazan:

mchou: seriously

[20:56:48]

Ediehow:

mchou: obnoxious as ever

[20:56:49]

Kazan:

Ediehow listen to me vary carefully

[20:56:54]

Kazan:

and do not speak until i am finished

[20:56:57]

Ediehow:

test

[20:56:59]

Ediehow:

woops! i did

[20:57:02]

Kazan:

STFU and listen

[20:57:08]

Ediehow:

hey xris did you get my q?

[20:57:19]

Kazan:

A) the FCC should not prohibit the broadcast of any content

[20:57:29]

Kazan:

B) the stations should give out reliable ratings of the content of their programs

[20:57:39]

kothog:

ivor: mpeg isn't really that important. single-purpose chips worked well for Amiga: but they were each generic enough to be useful for more than one task. a straight mpeg decoder is a waste to dump into a video card. let there be something on the motherboard, or an additional (replaceable/upgradeable!) card in a slot do the work.

[20:57:46]

Ediehow:

Kazan: so basically, when someone disagrees with you, instead of answering it, you just insult them or change the subject.

[20:57:48]

Kazan:

C) parents can then use the Vchip to control their/their childrens tv-viewing

[20:58:03]

Ediehow:

Kazan: you do understand, for the what, 3rd time, fines are usually for unscheduled content, right?

[20:58:07]

kothog:

Kazan: the industry.. not even the government there. even worse!

[20:58:07]

xris:

Ediehow: no

[20:58:10]

Kazan:

D) if the stations fail to give accurate ratings THEN they're fined

[20:58:11]

xris:

too busy, sorry

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ivor:

kothog: sigh. you're ignoring my point. :)

[20:58:24]

Kazan:

no Ediehow you seem to fail to understand wtfh i'm saying

[20:58:37]

Ediehow:

xris: i was wondering if you would prefer a compaq with a athlon xp 2.13ghz or a dell with a 2ghz p4 for a machine often using mythtv and mutlitasking.

[20:58:41]

Kazan:

the FCC prohibits the broadcast of certain content *PERIOD*

[20:58:44]

Ediehow:

Kazan: you can't answer my question, and have not, for the 3 times.

[20:58:44]

kothog:

ivor: would you mind rephrasing it for me then? :)

[20:58:45]

Kazan:

which it shouldn't do

[20:58:55]

Kazan:

I already answered your question ediehow

[20:58:59]

Kazan:

[15:58] <Kazan> D) if the stations fail to give accurate ratings THEN they're fined

[20:58:59]

Ediehow:

no, you didn't.

[20:59:02]

ivor:

no life is too short.

[20:59:03]

Kazan:

atleast four different freaking times

[20:59:07]

Ediehow:

Kazan: who are they fined by?

[20:59:18]

Ediehow:

did the superbowl or the grammys have an accurate rating?

[20:59:25]

mchou:

Ediehow: lol

[20:59:32]

kothog:

ivor: I'm not berating or name-calling. Let it not be said I didn't make an honest effort out of communicating with you.

[20:59:32]

mchou:

Ediehow: you're so dense

[20:59:33]

Kazan:

NO THEY DIDN'T AND THAT'S MY FARKING POINT YOU INTELLECTUAL MIDGET

[20:59:43]

Kazan:

* Added *!*n=Edie@ip70-172-228-88.br.br.cox.net to ignore list

[20:59:44]

Ediehow:

mchou: and you're obnoxious and condescending as ever.

[21:00:00]

Ediehow:

every time i come in here, you're insulting someone, be it juski, myself, or whoever else

[21:00:02]

Ediehow:

you need to get out more.

[21:00:07]

Kazan:

Edie why don't you go fuck yourself in happyland where you can hide behind all your G rated content and censorship so other people can think for you

[21:00:16]

Ediehow:

Kazan: good thing you're not being emotional

[21:00:20]

xris:

Ediehow: honestly, neither

[21:00:26]

mchou:

Ediehow: so? to ppl lacking intellectual honesty, sure.

[21:00:28]

ivor:

kothog: sure. wasn't saying you were. just too much noise.. and I'm busy tring to fix a konqueror utf8 bug.

[21:00:30]

Kazan:

mchou mind if i sent you a /msg

[21:00:36]

Ediehow:

mchou: you're lacking intellect, period

[21:00:37]

xris:

the athlon would be faster if that's the actual mhz, though.

[21:00:40]

mchou:

Kazan: no, dont mind

[21:00:45]

Ediehow:

because you're usually wrong about technical questions that are presented in here.

[21:00:50]

kothog:

ivor: okie. =] long as we're clear. :)

[21:00:58]

mchou:

Ediehow: hehe, prove it :)

[21:00:59]

scopeuk:

wow did i jsut come into the middle of some squobling 12 year olds honestly

[21:01:07]

Ediehow:

xris: well, i can't even use firefox and myth at the same time

[21:01:10]

Ediehow:

with the compaq xp now.

[21:01:13]

scopeuk:

wanna see how procs do go read benchmarks and tick off the guys that right em

[21:01:15]

kothog:

scopeuk: looks like it. grab some popcorn and sit back, it's funny.

[21:01:20]

scopeuk:

wanna talk about myth right this way

[21:01:25]

Kazan:

scopeuk: nah, just intelligent people trying to get a point across to a numbskull

[21:01:26]

mchou:

Ediehow: if you cant back it up, don't talk

[21:01:35]

Ediehow:

mchou: can't back up what?

[21:01:38]

Kazan:

i put him on ignore since he cannot be bothered to read what other people are typing

[21:01:46]

Ediehow:

you're generally a condescending, obnoxious person who lacks social skills

[21:01:56]

Ediehow:

and you're forever insulting people without having a clue about anything.

[21:02:04]

Ediehow:

i just hope you're not that way in real life.

[21:02:06]

mchou:

Ediehow: [14:00:36] <Ediehow> mchou: you're lacking intellect, period

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Ediehow:

mchou: read the last 3 lines i put

[21:02:23]

mchou:

Ediehow: [14:01:56] <Ediehow> and you're forever insulting people without having a clue about anything.

[21:02:25]

Ediehow:

mchou: you've consistantly been wrong about myth related questions.

[21:02:35]

Ediehow:

the most recent was something regarding nvidia and agpgart

[21:02:38]

mchou:

Ediehow: cite an example

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Ediehow:

that's why i never ask you questions

[21:02:45]

Ediehow:

because you don't know what you are talking about.

[21:02:47]

mchou:

Ediehow: lol

[21:02:51]

Ediehow:

you just rant and act as though you're better than other people

[21:02:56]

Kazan:

i'm pretty sure im the only one here who has openly insulted the mental midget

[21:02:59]

Ediehow:

but you end up sounding like some kid who got too many swirlies in high school.

[21:03:09]

mchou:

Ediehow: haha, I'm hurt!

[21:03:10]

Ediehow:

Kazan: screaming at me and misspelling is not really that insulting.

[21:03:18]

Ediehow:

mchou: i'm not trying to hurt, i'm just making you aware.

[21:03:21]

Kazan:

but then, if he cannot be bothered to read what i'm typing, and just wants to make appeals to emotion and straw man arguments, why should i bother listening to his dumb ass

[21:03:26]

kothog:

Kazan: try to relax. calling people names is a Bad Thing.

[21:03:31]

Ediehow:

Kazan: it's hard reading when you can't spell, and type in caps.

[21:03:33]

ivor:

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[21:03:50]

mchou:

Ediehow: I said it was irrelevant whose implementation of agpgart you used. Agpgart was not your problem

[21:03:52]

Kazan:

kothog: yeah, but idiots are wrose :P

[21:03:58]

Kazan:

worse*

[21:04:02]

kothog:

Kazan: enhance thy calm.

[21:04:11]

Ediehow:

mchou: actually you said more than that, and you told juski he didn't know what he was talking about, among other insults

[21:04:14]

Ediehow:

and that was not the first time

[21:04:16]

Kazan:

kothog: be well? be fucked! :P

[21:04:29]

mchou:

Ediehow: hehe, juski didnt know what he was talking about

[21:04:39]

Ediehow:

you're generally a very asinine person

[21:04:47]

Ediehow:

hopefully you aren't like that in real life

[21:04:56]

mchou:

Ediehow: like he knew how a STB box in the US would work when he is in Europe

[21:04:56]

kothog:

Kazan: pretend you're floating in a sea of tranquility.. with lazy white puffy clouds making their way across an endless sky..

[21:05:05]

Ediehow:

mchou: he wasn't the only one you've insulted

[21:05:11]

Ediehow:

i'm just citing one example

[21:05:14]

mchou:

Ediehow: so?

[21:05:28]

Ediehow:

xris: so, would FPU come up? or quality of motherboards?

[21:05:33]

Ediehow:

xris: i've heard via chipsets are buggy

[21:05:46]

Kazan:

kothog: ha. nah

[21:05:46]

Ediehow:

xris: basically, even using xvmc i have the problem.

[21:05:54]

Kazan:

kothog: i gotta keep my hate up for the soccer match tonight

[21:06:00]

mchou:

Ediehow: yeah, you heard that from me

[21:06:07]

Ediehow:

mchou: heard what from you?

[21:06:09]

** Kazan is in the supporters group so i gotta have the hate flowing for taunting the opposing team, and the refs **

[21:06:12]

kothog:

Kazan: hate is an emotion you would do well to cleanse from your soul.

[21:06:15]

mchou:

Ediehow: so go ahead and buy a VIA mobo

[21:06:21]

mchou:

:)

[21:06:23]

Ediehow:

mchou: i didn't hear that from you

[21:06:24]

Kazan:

bah don't talk about souls to an atheist

[21:06:28]

Ediehow:

i've heard about via chipsets being buggy for years

[21:06:34]

Ediehow:

and juski also mentioned it

[21:06:46]

mchou:

Ediehow: lol

[21:07:02]

Kazan:

kothog: and bush would be very angry with you for discouarging hate – you're interference with the 2-minute hate brought to you by the RNC

[21:07:04]

mchou:

Ediehow: so Juski==GOD in your book?

[21:07:09]

Kazan:

current target: brown people!

[21:07:20]

Kazan:

oh wait... that's been the same for.... several years now

[21:07:25]

Ediehow:

mchou: no, just you tend to be wrong, and you're very insulting and condescending.

[21:07:25]

mchou:

Ediehow: you seem to hold Juski in such high esteem

[21:07:27]

Ediehow:

so it's hard to take you seriously

[21:07:36]

mchou:

Ediehow: lol

[21:07:36]

Kazan:

Ediehow has some manlove for juski?

[21:07:38]

kothog:

Kazan: even atheists have an inner core or personality they'll often refer to as their soul. In my case, I meant "soul" in that sense anyway, so in reality atheism or deism really don't apply.

[21:08:15]

Kazan:

hence the word "personality"

[21:08:37]

Ediehow:

well, i guess i'll try and see what happens.

[21:08:38]

Ediehow:

later all

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mchou:

Ediehow: everyone is entitled to their opinion, but you yet to back up any of your opinions

[21:09:01]

** Kazan lets ediehow out of his box **

[21:09:08]

kothog:

Kazan: Anyway Bush can be mad at me for discouraging hate all he likes. He's not my leader.

[21:11:43]

scopeuk:

wow this is fantastic you debate somethign serious and becouse you disagrea it disolves to a slagging match bassed on polotics of devided nations

[21:11:51]

scopeuk:

wow lucky you guys arnt be hind big red

[21:12:10]

Kazan:

kothog: hehe

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** Kazan whois' kothog **

[21:13:17]

Kazan:

scopeuk: my think about bush was a joke

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Kazan:

if edie made any political comments i missed them because he was on ignore

[21:14:04]

** Zider sings a bit.. love is in the aaaair... dumdedum.. **

[21:14:20]

Kazan:

lol

[21:14:30]

** scopeuk prepares the /ignore *@* command **

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kothog:

=]

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Zider:

scopeuk: noooooooe!

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scopeuk:

whould make monitoring irc a brease though

[21:15:21]

scopeuk:

hmm what was a torturign my poor little myth box with before i went out

[21:15:26]

scopeuk:

oh yeh i was trying to configure ftp

[21:15:40]

scopeuk:

and recover the fiels iaccidentaly removed whilst doign the above

[21:16:31]

scopeuk:

isthere an undelete command?

[21:16:49]

scopeuk:

oh well ill jsut download the fiels again

[21:16:52]

scopeuk:

it was onyl a cupple of gig

[21:16:58]

scopeuk:

*sigh*

[21:18:10]

endless_us:

any one PLEASE Need help to install IRTrans on FC5.

[21:19:21]

Kazan:

IRtrans?

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** Kazan uses lirc for his blaster **

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Kazan:

on FC5

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endless_us:

yes

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Kazan:

so why use irtrans

[21:22:33]

Kazan:

just use lirc

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Kazan:

you have it installed for your remote anyway

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a1fa:

usp

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endless_us:

<Kazan> I have Zalman case with buidin IR

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Kazan:

use lirc

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endless_us:

<Kazan>:How, can you help me to setup? PLEASE

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Dibblah:

Has anyone seen current SVN + OpenGL vsync + bob + NVidia 8756 taking >85% in system? Leaves 0% idle time...

[21:38:12]

Kazan:

RTFM?

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Zider:

endless_us: what's the name of that case?

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Dibblah:

Thought 8756 was meant to have fixed this...

[21:38:49]

kormoc:

it did for myself

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kormoc:

Dibblah, does disabling opengl vsync change anything?

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endless_us:

Zalman HD160

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Kazan:

use the lirc irtrans driver

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Kazan:

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bird603568:

is a amd64 3000+ with 512 ram fast enough to encode decode hi def in real time?

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Kazan:

what card are you using that is getting HDTV analog?

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ivor:

"encode" ?

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Kazan:

HDTV is pretty much always already encoded when it arrives on your machine (ie via a DVB or ATSC card)

[21:43:44]

Kazan:

you're only decoding

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bird603568:

no clue but i was thinking that eventually i will have HD and then a pvr150 would be useless

[21:43:51]

Kazan:

and yes that should do fine for decoding I would think

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Kazan:

HDTV is all digital – already in mpeg4 when it comes to your machine

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Kazan:

you need an nvidia card or one that uses the unichrome driver so you can have xvmc

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endless_us:

<Kazan> how to setup lirc irtrans driver?

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bird603568:

have a card that you recommend?

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Kazan:

endless_us: RTFM?

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** Kazan has only setup lirc_gpio and lirc_serial based systems **

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Kazan:

the documentation is out there, google for it

[21:46:06]

Kazan:

bird603568: yes

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Kazan:

bird603568: where are you at?

[21:46:20]

Kazan:

USA?

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bird603568:

ya

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Kazan:

pcHDTV then

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endless_us:

<Kazan>:what is RTFM?

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bird603568:

and it can also do non HD also

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Kazan:

http://www.pchdtv.com/hd_5500.html

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Kazan:

keep yhe PVR150 around for non-hdtv content

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bird603568:

well i havent bought it yet

[21:47:10]

Zider:

or give to me ;)

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bird603568:

i was looking fo r1 that did both

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kormoc:

endless_us, you do know that your case has a ir receiver built in, not a ir transmitter, right?

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Kazan:

the pchdtv cards does both

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Kazan:

but it doesn't hardware encode

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Kazan:

since HDTV is already coming to it encoded they're saving card realestate by not having a IVTV chip

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bird603568:

holy crap 129$

[21:47:55]

Kazan:

that's cheap for an HDTV card

[21:47:58]

bird603568:

really

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endless_us:

<kormoc> I think so

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bird603568:

wow ill wait for a while when i have more money

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Kazan:

you haven't looked at the price of HDTVs have you :P

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kormoc:

endless_us, okay, so then why are you attempting to get irtrans setup for a ir receiver?

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bird603568:

and with the 3000+ and 512 ram do you think i could use a capture card instead and get the same quality?

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bird603568:

no i havent

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endless_us:

That what is in manual

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Kazan:

use a hardware mpeg2 encoder card

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Kazan:

like a PVR-500

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bird603568:

so stick with pvr150

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Kazan:

(a 500 is two 150s on the same board)

[21:49:39]

Kazan:

so yes stick to the pvr150

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kormoc:

endless_us, in what manual?

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bird603568:

im trying to keep it under 500$

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Kazan:

good luck with that

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endless_us:

It is a same device as onorigenae cases

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bird603568:

i dont have many modern parts laying arounf

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Kazan:

you're building from scratch?

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bird603568:

i have a small hdd a cd drive a 400mhz cele

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bird603568:

ya

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** Kazan cringes at the idea of only one tuner **

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bird603568:

i have all the parts for 505$

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Kazan:

i don't think a 400mhz celeron can even do SDTV

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Kazan:

without a hardware encoder

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endless_us:

<kormoc>for case

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bird603568:

i dont have the a socket 370 anyway

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Kazan:

what are you looking at for hardware?

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Kazan:

(512MB ram is probably overkill ram really)

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bird603568:

i havea a 80gig hdd for the shows because i have a 20 gig already

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bird603568:

a 3000+

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bird603568:

a 6200tc and a pvr150

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kormoc:

endless_us, that is a windows program, not a linux program...

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Kazan:

hey kormoc

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Kazan:

if you have a tv with HDMI input – and you hook up a DVI->HDMI cable, can you hookup SP/DIF for audio?

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endless_us:

It has linux version to. http://www.irtrans.de/de/download/linux.php

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kormoc:

endless_us, no, that's a very different program

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Zider:

Kazan: S/PDIF actually ;)

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kormoc:

well, maybe not, I can't really read german that well

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Zider:

kormoc: click the english flag :P

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bird603568:

also it will work if i use a 5.1 sound card right

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bird603568:

i just dont want to be stuck with hardware

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Kazan:

Zider: whateva

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Kazan:

Zider: would have be correct though?

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a1fa:

sup

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Kazan:

Zider: DVI+S/PDIF

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a1fa:

sup sup suup

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Kazan:

hi a1fa

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a1fa:

i missed half of lost, and half of prison break

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a1fa:

pissy

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kormoc:

Zider, heh... uhh... I don't speak the queens engligh! ;)

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Kazan:

Zider: or DVI->HDMI + S/PDIF

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Kazan:

(depending on the tv)

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a1fa:

frontend crashed while it was recording lost, so half of lost was never recorded

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Zider:

Kazan: well, it's still S/PDIF and not SP/DIF ;)

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Kazan:

just answer the fracking question you anally retentive punk :P

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Zider:

mmmm, anal

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Zider:

ehrm

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Zider:

I dunno :)

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** Kazan is sick and tired of seeing ETDVs labeled as HDTVs **

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Kazan:

if it doesn't support full fucking 1920x1080x60 it's not a fucking HDTV you asswipes

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Zider:

hm, irtrans.de's "english" pages seems just to be translated on the fly..

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Juski:

Kazan: they call that 'marketing'

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Zider:

isn't hdtv from 560 (or something) and up to 1080?

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Zider:

ah, 720 or 1080

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Kazan:

Zider: nope

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Kazan:

Zider: as far as I know HDTV is 1920x1080

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Kazan:

period

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Kazan:

anything between that an SDTV is "EDTV"

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Zider:

according to wikipedia it's either 720p or 1080i

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endless_us:

<kormoc> Did you look over ITrans. Do I need it or just lirc? Thank you.

[22:09:18]

Juski:

god no, don't go confusing the public with another acronym

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Kazan:

apparently 720p is technically considered hd.. oh you beat me to it zider

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Dibblah:

Wrong.

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Dibblah:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDTV

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Dibblah:

However, in the ATSC broadcast standard used in the United States and other countries, any ATSC resolution with 720 or more active lines is considered HDTV.

[22:10:04]

kormoc:

Zider, well, nvidia seems to claim that 576i/p is also HD, as well as 480i/p

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Dibblah:

Since Wiki is never wrong ;)

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Juski:

maybe not since they stopped just any old Tom or Dick editing

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Dibblah:

Nah. That's only on certain pages, innit?

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Dibblah:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hig . . . ;action=edit

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Kazan:

even with "tom, dick and harry" editing (most pages) it's still on aggregate has less errors/page than britanica

[22:11:50]

Dibblah:

And that's been proven wrong too.

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Dibblah:

Or is at least disputed.

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kormoc:

ahh

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kormoc:

480i/p and 576i/p is considered Enhanced tv (edtv)

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kormoc:

well, rather 480p

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Juski:

HD-ready is the get-out-of-jail card I think

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Dibblah:

See, it's not popular over here since PAL has always been "good enough"

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Dibblah:

Whereas NTSC is... Well. Not ;)

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Zider:

well, both pal and ntsc is good enough for me.. :D

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Zider:

altho I prefer pal

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Kazan:

Dibblah: Britanica disputed it

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Kazan:

Dibblah: however they have yet to provide one iota of evidence to dispute that

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Kazan:

Dibblah: just a press release basically "la la la we refuse to believe that! we're more accurate! buy our shit!"

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Dibblah:

Err... Riiight.

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kormoc:

ntsc is fine for myself realisticlaly

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Juski:

I'm happy with PAL here on a 32" screen

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Zider:

same size here

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Zider:

100Hz :D

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Juski:

though at the bitrates we get, any bigger than 32" & it'd look like shite. I reckon that's probably why the 'HD' demos look so 'amazing'... look – no artifacts!

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Dibblah:

20 pages is just a press release to you, then?

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Dibblah:

http://corporate.britannica.com/britannica_nature_response.pdf

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Dibblah:

Seems quite detailed to me :)

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Juski:

since nowhere seems to stock any proper HD sets yet capable of displaying 1080 without scaling it

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pigeon:

hmm, i got a weird behavior with mythbackend, sometimes after a mythfilldatabase, the backend loses connection to mysql, and won't recover by itself, i have to restart mythbackend to fix this. Any suggestions?

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Juski:

pigeon: using mysql5?

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mchou:

holy shit! the sempron proc frys has on sale has TDP of 51W!

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dscoular:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html search for the section on repair of mysql tables

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mchou:

that's fantastic. most other amd procs are 61W

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pigeon:

Juski: 4.1

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Juski:

pigeon: ah. not that then

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mchou:

in fact that's the only AMD proc with TDP <61W

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Kazan:

Dibblah: britanica isn't an independant source – they're biased

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Kazan:

Dibblah: nature is

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Kazan:

Dibblah: and so are the independant guys who expanded upon nature's work

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Kazan:

Juski: there are proper 1080 sets – but they're $2k+

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mchou:

shit, I'm gonna have to head on down to Frys

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janneg:

mchou: except mobile processors, but TDP is maximal power consumption for AMD

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mchou:

janneg: my point is that proc consumes very little power in comparison with other AMD procs

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mchou:

for $99(retail) + mobo it's a steal

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bird603568:

i wish i had a frys near by

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Zider:

I think my cpu is around 120W or something ;)

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mchou:

janneg: lower power is better :)

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bird603568:

i like my laptops M770

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bird603568:

its great

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bird603568:

just make sure that it doesnt have a sis or via chip set

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mchou:

bird603568: nforce3 250

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janneg:

yeah, it's a good deal, but I doubt it uses less power than a comparable Athlon64 on typical workloads

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janneg:

mchou: I know

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pigeon:

Juski: just wondering, so what if it is mysql5?

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bird603568:

pentium-m use very little power

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bird603568:

too bad thier pentium line wants based off the pentium m

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bird603568:

netburst sucks

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janneg:

bird603568: only the ulv types

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mchou:

shit. why pay the premium for a pentium-m when all amd64 procs are mobile :)

[22:31:33]

bird603568:

because it was a graduation gift

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bird603568:

and i didnt want a shitty car that i wouldnt use for 4 years

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bird603568:

so i got a costly laptop

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Juski:

pigeon: I think the issue with mysql5 is that it'd drop the connection to mythbackend after a period of inactivity, for security reasons or somesuch thing

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mchou:

shit, enough talk. I'm off to Frys

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pigeon:

Juski: ouch!

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Juski:

pigeon: not really that big a deal – apparently there's a line in my.cnf you change to make the timeout value much bigger

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pigeon:

right.

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pigeon:

with mythfrontend, will it use normal xshm image for video if, say, xvideo and xvmc fail?

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pigeon:

(or, i.e. is xshm video implemented in mythfrontend/libmythtv?)

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Dibblah:

Yes it is, but it's normally not a fallback.

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Dibblah:

NO_XV=1 mythfrontend

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Dibblah:

works, however.

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Mattwj2005:

welll I did it

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Mattwj2005:

I bought a wireless keyboard and mouse....it even came with a small pair of speakers

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Zider:

wireless speakers?

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Mattwj2005:

no....but it was only $40....and it is a Logitech

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Mattwj2005:

the most inexpensive one at another was a generic and didn't come with speakers and it was $58

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Juski:

oh for the love of God... umbongo is screwed AGAIN

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Mattwj2005:

what happened Juski?

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Juski:

can't login as user mythtv :-/

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Juski:

dunno wtf happenned... now I can't log in. I havent been near GDM or any of the config files in ~

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Mattwj2005:

how about creating the user or changing the password

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Juski:

ahh it's just the mythtv user

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Juski:

I'll delete the mythtv user & start again

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Juski:

nah that's screwd

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Juski:

nailed it :-)

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Mattwj2005:

what did you do Juski?

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Juski:

to fix it? cleaned out some stuff from /tmp

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Juski:

cleaned out the /home/mythtv directory

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Juski:

this always happens when I use gnome for a while at the start

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Juski:

ah.. installled svn last night and frankly, livetv performance was appalling. now in 0.19-fixes, it's much much better

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Mattwj2005:

did you see any cool new figures in svn?

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Juski:

do you mean features?

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Juski:

DVB scanning is greatly improved, as it EIT support

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Mattwj2005:

abilities or options...that you don't get in a stand .19 or .19.1

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Juski:

there's a sleep timer in livetv mode now

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Mattwj2005:

that's pretty cool

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Juski:

in the UK we get MHEG interactivity

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Juski:

regular dvb-t set top boxes have a 'red button' they can press to access extra content in the stream – java games, more video feeds etc

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Juski:

now myth has that

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kormoc:

there isn't actually a 0.19.1 yet

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Mattwj2005:

geez...the UK is so much better than the US :P

[23:39:11]

kormoc:

so svn 0.19-fixes has a nice bunch of bug fixes

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Juski:

the archiving feature... now that is gonna be a show stopper

[23:39:37]

Mattwj2005:

what archiving feature?

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Juski:

not that I could get mythreplex to work on any of the test recordings I made...

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Juski:

mytharchive

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Mattwj2005:

I just looked up mytharchive...what is mythreplex

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Juski:

mythreplex is a component of mytharchive

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Juski:

is basically transforms a .ts stream into an mpeg2 ps

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Mattwj2005:

oh okay cool

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Juski:

it's quite hard not to get excited by it – from what I've seen of it the new stuff is just brilliant

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Juski:

tried debugging the bits that didn't work, but, sods law... compiled with debug support & under gdb I couldn't make it fail

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