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Wednesday, May 17th, 2006, 00:01 UTC
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[00:07:10] xris: !seen rjune
[00:07:11] MythLogBot: rjune was last seen 40 days 21 hours 22 minutes 8 seconds ago
[00:11:39] pigeon: is there a setting i could turn off auto expire completely?
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[00:12:25] xris: pigeon: existing recordings need to be tweaked individually, and each recording profile determines what new recordings get.
[00:12:39] xris: I don't think you can (or would want to) turn off autoexpire on livetv recordings.
[00:12:54] pigeon: ok ta
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[00:13:42] pigeon: i just noticed, the small video preview in the recording list, the color is wrong there somehow.
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[00:16:51] pigeon: i wish the channel editor would keep the last selected entry after coming out from the channel editing screen.
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[00:18:49] xris: you could use mythweb
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[00:20:12] CyberKnet: *yawn*
[00:20:15] pigeon: hmm, good point, but i couldn't edit the xmltv id there... :(
[00:20:30] pigeon: oops, ignore me
[00:20:39] pigeon: it's there.
[00:20:49] pigeon: sorry for being an idiot :)
[00:21:05] AngryElf: dvdrip question: anyone ripped a lot of dvds with it and know a minimum setting for xvid that gives dvd quality?
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[00:22:55] CyberKnet: xris: is the 5/15 build of nuvexport dependant on a newer version of Myth than 0.18.1 ?
[00:23:46] xris: .3 is for .19
[00:23:57] pigeon: hmm, should i RTFM first, or should i ask... it seems that dvb hdtv playback is very slow and jerky here, while dvb standard quality is fine. mplayer with the hdtv version is also fine.
[00:26:28] CyberKnet: drat.
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[00:26:55] groogs__: Hi.. I'm having troulbe getting mythvideo playing .. basically, it doesn't do anything. mplayer and xine both work if i run them manually (using lines from http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythVideo — though xine drops frames for some reason..). when I select "watch video" in myth, it just does nothing.. any ideas why?
[00:27:02] CyberKnet: I guess I'll upgrade to .19 some time soon.
[00:27:32] CyberKnet: Or try out MythArchive ... which I think is dependant on at least 0.19
[00:27:32] xris: CyberKnet: you should. nice changes.
[00:27:40] xris: I think mytharchive requires svn
[00:27:53] CyberKnet: I missed the .19 release, and had held out for an official .19.1
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[00:37:46] pigeon: is a not-visible channel == disabled/won't be used for recording?
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[00:39:41] xris: pigeon: in my experience, it's just not visible... but I run svn, so maybe the fact that it recorded was a bug
[00:40:02] pigeon: ok
[00:40:28] pigeon: i'm trying out the new dvb scan stuff, it's cool, only now i need to tidy up the channels a bit because of duplicates, etc.
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[00:41:29] bigslam: distcc[6323] (dcc_get_hostlist) Warning: no hostlist is set; can't distribute work
[00:41:30] bigslam: distcc[6323] (dcc_build_somewhere) Warning: failed to distribute, running locally instead
[00:41:33] pigeon: what about a channel with no channel number (channum)?
[00:41:35] bigslam: what does that mean?
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[00:43:45] pigeon: hmm, and what does this mean to mythtv if multiple channels having the same channum?
[00:44:02] xris: bigslam: sounds like you have distcc installed byt not configured, so it's not distributing the cc
[00:44:25] bigslam: should i keep the compile going
[00:44:29] bigslam: or cancel and fix it?
[00:44:49] xris: the compile will finish just fine
[00:44:58] xris: just won't share the compile out to other machines on your network
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[00:45:25] bigslam: ahh ok
[00:45:26] bigslam: cya
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[01:01:10] pigeon: how mythtv is going to handle when you have like a tv station with sdtv and hdtv?
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[01:35:17] pigeon: hmm, it feels like my mythfrontend is not using xvideo or something
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[01:39:46] pigeon: and i get my first segv from 0.19
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[01:52:41] JoeyJoeJo: does anyone know if it's possible to record HD off of a directv HD receiver? and if so, is there a guide somewhere?
[01:53:11] coshx: can someone who's using a tv/fm card tell me if "aplay /dev/radio" plays anything (even garble)? I'm having the darndest time getting radio working now :(
[01:59:45] JoeyJoeJo: coshx, I have a pvr-300 and I used to have the radio working.. but don't ask me now what I did, I can't remember
[02:00:41] JoeyJoeJo: I do know you need an antenna, obviously.. oh and if you use the ivtv driver, try the ivtv-radio command
[02:00:51] xris: JoeyJoeJo: not possible
[02:02:29] coshx: JoeyJoeJo: i have an antenna (and have been doing some weird stretches to make sure it's picking up a signal :) and it works under windows, but isn't working under linux. i'm wondering if i'm going to have to perform the same black magic it took to get sound working on mythtv
[02:02:36] JoeyJoeJo: xris: don't tell me that.. I want it to work
[02:03:00] JoeyJoeJo: coshx: is any sound working?
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[02:03:48] coshx: JoeyJoeJo: yeah, sound for video now works under mythtv (although it doesn't work under tvtime unless i aplay /dev/dsp1 while tvtime is running)
[02:04:23] JoeyJoeJo: are you using the ivtv driver?
[02:04:35] JoeyJoeJo: for your capture card that is
[02:04:50] coshx: JoeyJoeJo: no, i'm using saa7134 and saa7134-alsa
[02:05:02] JoeyJoeJo: what type of capture card do you have?
[02:05:56] coshx: JoeyJoeJo: ASUS TV FM using saa7133 chipset
[02:06:03] xris: JoeyJoeJo: not much I can do. only way to legally get HD is to watch over the air stuff, get a cable box with a firewire port or buy a very expensive satellite tuner with firewire from 169time.com
[02:07:00] coshx: JoeyJoeJo: does radio still work for you? like if you type "radio" does it just do the right thing?
[02:08:25] JoeyJoeJo: coshx: I'm using a pvr-300 card with the ivtv driver, which comes with a utility called ivtv-radio. When I type the ivtv-radio command, I get radio.. I forget the exact subcommands for tuning it, but thats easy to figure out
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[02:09:34] JoeyJoeJo: xris: so are you saying that with a third party cable box that has a firewire out I might be able to record HD from directv? the problem is I live in a valley about 90 miles from DC, where my local HD channels come from
[02:09:52] JoeyJoeJo: so FTA isn't an option for me
[02:09:54] coshx: JoeyJoeJo: the only commands i know about that i can use are v4lctl and then using the radio frontend like gradio or fm, but nothing tells me what's going on.
[02:10:02] xris: JoeyJoeJo: those are your three options
[02:10:23] JoeyJoeJo: xris: ok, thanks.. I at least have a little hope
[02:10:36] xris: no cable service?
[02:10:45] JoeyJoeJo: xris: none in HD
[02:10:55] xris: ah
[02:11:47] JoeyJoeJo: coshx: it sounds like you're using a different capture card than I am, so I don't think I know enough to help you.. I'm just not fimilar with how yours works
[02:12:37] coshx: that's okay, thanks anyway though. i think i'm just going to give up on this one
[02:13:33] JoeyJoeJo: radio can be tough.. it stinks that theres not an offical mythradio plugin yet.. maybe in the future though
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[02:31:25] cliffd: can I have a mythtv backend that records shows with out the front end ot watch them?
[02:34:13] jams: sure, but you will need a frontend or mythweb to schedule them
[02:35:03] cliffd: ok, Im going on vacation in a week and my pvr is completely hosed, it wont stay on for more then 10 min. and while on vacation id like to record some shows
[02:36:00] cliffd: so If i add mythweb to the backend I can schedule and record, and then watch once I get the pvr fixed
[02:36:05] xris: yup
[02:36:11] cliffd: xris: thanks
[02:36:19] cliffd: it will record in plain old mpeg
[02:36:37] xris: cliffd: that depends on your tuner card
[02:36:48] cliffd: pvr-500
[02:37:29] xris: then you already know the answe
[02:37:31] xris: answer
[02:37:39] cliffd: yup
[02:37:43] cliffd: :) thanks
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[02:47:13] JoeyJoeJo: I guess there isn't any card for the pc that accepts a dvi in connection, is there?
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[02:51:23] simcop2387-zauru: is there any way to setup master and slave backends to have different storages, right now it appears they need to be sharing them, over nfs,smbfs,etc is there a way to do it without that? if not i guess ill have to play with union fs or maybe fuse to create a system to do this
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[02:51:38] achew22: EVERYONE I GOT MY DVB CARD WORKING.... now to figure out how ti give it channels
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[02:52:12] achew22: abarbaccia, long time no see! How is monolythic mc coming?
[02:54:13] sean33: interesing issue , got ivtv up everything seemed fine till i tried picture in picture then problem ,livetv still running nothing responding menu is still on screen
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[02:54:47] sean33: not responding to any commands
[02:56:26] Netslayer: simcop2387-zauru, check the master backend override setting in mythtvsetup
[02:56:29] Netslayer: sean33, check your logs
[02:57:06] Netslayer: JoeyJoeJo, um there is one but give up on the idea.. if you want hdtv recording using a firewire connection from a cable box or a pchdtv dtv card with an antenna or cable tv qam
[02:57:07] sean33: backendlog ?
[02:57:17] abarbaccia: achew22: its going great actually
[02:57:18] sean33: im looking at that at the moment
[02:57:26] achew22: abarbaccia, how many have you gotten out the door
[02:57:26] Netslayer: sean33, probably
[02:57:33] abarbaccia: achew22: it went live about a month and a half ago – i've sold over a dozen!
[02:57:44] sean33: 2006-05–17 12:45:40.900 TVRec(2) Error: Failed to set channel to 10.
[02:57:45] sean33: 2006-05–17 12:45:40.905 TVRec(2) Error: Channel: '' was not found in the database.
[02:57:45] sean33: Most likely, your DefaultTVChannel setting is wrong.
[02:57:46] sean33: Could not start livetv.
[02:58:01] achew22: abarbaccia, would you be willing to help me with my lirc? you said you would maybe a month ago then you didn't show up online again....
[02:58:02] sean33: would that be it ?
[02:58:09] abarbaccia: i'm about to roll out a HD model in a week – followed by a backend only / multiple frontend model soon!
[02:58:20] abarbaccia: achew22: sure – what are you trying to do again?
[02:58:36] achew22: get it to work — I got nothing right now
[02:58:42] abarbaccia: pvr150?
[02:58:47] sean33: i might look at the config again see if the second has a default channel
[02:58:53] achew22: I have 150 250 and serial so its up to you
[02:59:10] abarbaccia: well 150 with IRBlaster would be the way to go
[02:59:16] achew22: okay....
[02:59:29] abarbaccia: because you can get that working not too difficultly – then you have IRBlaster taken care of also with only one instance of lirc
[02:59:33] sean33: i use 2 150's and a Imon with vfd
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[02:59:56] abarbaccia: achew22: i got a site which will help you out a bit with setting that up – do you have ivtv working?
[03:00:08] achew22: abarbaccia, yes — I have IVTV working (I beleive)
[03:00:15] abarbaccia: what version of ivtv?
[03:00:15] achew22: I followed your site step by step
[03:00:25] abarbaccia: achew22: that's a good start
[03:00:36] achew22: I am good at setting IVTV up
[03:01:01] abarbaccia: well, did you try install lirc?
[03:01:02] abarbaccia: what happened?
[03:01:02] achew22: I have 5 Hauppage 150s/250s
[03:01:02] abarbaccia: lol – nice
[03:01:02] sean33: 5 ?
[03:01:02] achew22: yep
[03:01:05] achew22: parents divorced
[03:01:11] abarbaccia: shoulda went with a few 500s
[03:01:12] sean33: why 5 ?
[03:01:25] achew22: I got 2 for one house — then got 2 for the other, then I got a slimline one so that I could put it in a box that now sits in a DVD case
[03:01:49] abarbaccia: achew22: what does your dmesg output look like?
[03:01:54] achew22: one seccond
[03:03:07] achew22: abarbaccia, I am in month 2 of linux — so please forgive if I do something silly
[03:03:50] achew22: http://www.pastebin.com/721766
[03:03:51] JoeyJoeJo: I have directv and it's HD service.. what hardware do I need to get that HD content onto my backend?
[03:04:07] achew22: JoeyJoeJo, do you have firwire out on your satelite?
[03:04:52] JoeyJoeJo: achew22: hell if I know.. that thing is all the way up on the roof, so I never took a look at it
[03:05:23] JoeyJoeJo: or do you mean my set top box?
[03:05:37] abarbaccia: achew22: for starters its looking good – looks like you have a conflict with other drivers – go into the ivtv directory again and type sudo make install – at the end of the output it'll tell you problms with other drivers and code to move them
[03:05:45] abarbaccia: type the code in with sudo in front though achew22
[03:05:52] achew22: of course
[03:05:59] achew22: I did hyams install — now I hate typing sudo
[03:06:38] achew22: what told you that I had a conflict?
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[03:07:06] abarbaccia: actually
[03:07:11] abarbaccia: nevermind
[03:07:23] abarbaccia: i was wrong – that was ivtv stuff which makes no difference because its not conflicting
[03:07:34] abarbaccia: sorry – do this " ls /dev | grep lir
[03:07:57] achew22: alright... moment please
[03:08:13] achew22: no results
[03:09:03] abarbaccia: achew22: modprobe lirc_i2c
[03:09:16] achew22: okay
[03:09:24] abarbaccia: ls /dev | grep lir
[03:09:31] achew22: nope
[03:09:36] abarbaccia: hurm...
[03:09:44] abarbaccia: its not finding the chips on your card
[03:09:51] abarbaccia: which makes me think you compiled the driver wrong from the get go
[03:09:52] achew22: i'm doing these as root so thats not the problem
[03:09:59] abarbaccia: yeah, not worried about that
[03:10:16] abarbaccia: so – lets try this – go back into the lirc sources and run the setup script again
[03:10:25] abarbaccia: make sure you select TV Card and Hauppauge
[03:10:31] abarbaccia: new i2c module
[03:10:42] achew22: should I get the .8 sources? I just used .7.2 like all the tutorials sugested
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[03:11:14] achew22: save and configure?
[03:12:17] achew22: i'm making it now....
[03:12:39] abarbaccia: good
[03:12:45] achew22: I love distccd
[03:12:51] abarbaccia: achew22: it shouldnt make a differenc
[03:12:59] achew22: distccd?
[03:13:08] achew22: alright... make install...
[03:13:08] abarbaccia: no .8 souces
[03:13:11] abarbaccia: yep
[03:13:23] abarbaccia: then you have to move the folder to the correct directory
[03:13:35] abarbaccia: because it puts it in the wrong spot
[03:13:43] achew22: ooh — now were getting somewhere
[03:14:56] WAR_CH|LD: how do I go about turning on transcoding for a specific recording.
[03:15:07] WAR_CH|LD: i've tested it a few times now and as far as K ica ntell, it doens't do it once it's done
[03:15:15] achew22: you push right then goto job options then select transcode
[03:15:24] WAR_CH|LD: yea, did that. :)
[03:15:36] WAR_CH|LD: doesn't do it. :( how na i tell if hte transcode job has run? is running?
[03:15:42] achew22: look on mythweb or in system status | job queue
[03:15:56] WAR_CH|LD: so it comes up in job queue..... well I turned it on there and it didn't come up in job queue
[03:16:05] WAR_CH|LD: and I can find no subseqent errors in the backend log
[03:16:15] achew22: abarbaccia, what folder should it go into?
[03:16:33] abarbaccia: you found the folder?
[03:16:35] WAR_CH|LD: for lack fo a better term it just doens' do it. :(
[03:16:57] achew22: abarbaccia, I don't know what to put where....
[03:17:11] abarbaccia: right – lemme check 1 sec
[03:17:17] achew22: I beleive its put in /usr/local/bin but no bets
[03:18:30] abarbaccia: achew22: no, not those – i'm talking about the drivers – those are programs typically
[03:18:38] abarbaccia: achew22: so check out /lib/modules
[03:18:51] abarbaccia: whats the output of uname -r
[03:19:50] achew22: i'm looking in 2.6.12-10–386 which is my kernel
[03:20:01] achew22: i no fool.... as Mr. T would say
[03:20:48] abarbaccia: achew22: actually, thats the problem – its supposed to be there – but it will put it in /lib/modules/2.6.12/ivtv instead of /lib/modules/2.6.12-10–386/ivtv
[03:20:51] abarbaccia: soooo do this
[03:21:07] sean33: how do i swap tuner that im viewing ?
[03:21:12] achew22: push "y"
[03:21:19] abarbaccia: sudo mv /lib/modules/2.6.12/ivtv /lib/modules/`uname -r`/
[03:21:32] achew22: I have an ivtv folder in there.....
[03:21:40] sean33: ok hmmm tuner2 isnt working
[03:21:57] sean33: they are both identical how can this be ?
[03:21:58] abarbaccia: achew22: u don't want your old installed drivers in the `uname -r` folder
[03:22:13] abarbaccia: sean33: you probably didnt set it up right in mythtv-setup
[03:22:27] abarbaccia: go over your settings again and make sure you have 2 tuners in mythtv setup
[03:22:41] sean33: i had it working previously before upgrading ivtv and the kernel
[03:23:12] sean33: yes i have checked the setup in mythtv-setup
[03:24:15] sean33: maaybe the video device has changed was previously /dev/video0 and /dev/video1 maybe the index is 1 and 2 now ?
[03:24:53] sean33: i recall seeing something about an index change but cant recall if it was ivtv that has changed ?
[03:26:04] sean33: does it say any where what device the video is binding to ?
[03:28:01] achew22: abarbaccia, alright — done
[03:28:11] achew22: sorry I didn't see your message
[03:28:37] sean33: im having a look at the myth-setup again
[03:29:20] abarbaccia: achew22: so now modprobe lirc_i2c
[03:29:25] abarbaccia: and paste your dmesg again
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[03:30:22] WAR_CH|LD: with transcoding should it start straight after the recording is finished? or does it wait? how do I make it start?
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[03:32:03] achew22: http://www.pastebin.com/721791
[03:32:08] achew22: abarbaccia, thats the pastebin
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[03:34:34] abarbaccia: achew22: do me a favor, reboot and do another dmesg pastebin for me
[03:36:41] sean33: bonza ! working now :)
[03:40:04] achew22: abarbaccia, http://pastebin.com/721800
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[03:40:26] WAR_CH|LD: with transcoding should it start straight after the recording is finished? or does it wait?
[03:40:46] abarbaccia: achew22: its still loading the serial drivers
[03:40:50] abarbaccia: you want it to load the i2c drivers
[03:41:06] abarbaccia: delete the lirc folder in the /lib/modules/`uname -r` directory
[03:41:08] abarbaccia: make install again
[03:41:09] achew22: could it be that lirc_serial is in /etc/modules?
[03:41:15] abarbaccia: and move those drivers over
[03:41:20] abarbaccia: yes
[03:41:22] achew22: ohh wait
[03:41:24] abarbaccia: change that to lirc_i2c
[03:41:25] achew22: nevermind....
[03:41:28] achew22: it is at i2c
[03:41:31] achew22: i was just kidding
[03:41:34] abarbaccia: but its still configured for serial
[03:41:39] achew22: strange
[03:43:00] achew22: "Libraries have been installed to /usr/local/lib"
[03:43:05] achew22: is that where they should be?
[03:43:26] achew22: should I add that dir to my ld.so.conf?
[03:43:49] sean33: i blody hate lirc_i2c
[03:45:30] achew22: abarbaccia, I think I know why I didn't get it working... this is freaking hard
[03:45:44] abarbaccia: ...
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[03:52:43] d3ity: hey
[03:52:48] d3ity: myth people... Got a question
[03:53:12] d3ity: When I added my channels, channel 39 was missing from mythtv
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[03:53:27] d3ity: I added it manually, is there any way I can get the correct listing data?
[03:53:43] [R]: should I go for a vanilla kernel or some random patchset? anyone here use ck with mythtv?
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[03:58:51] xris: [R]: personally, I stick with the one my distro gives me
[03:59:11] WAR_CH|LD: anyone know anything abou hte transcoding features?
[03:59:19] [R]: so you mean the piece of crap bloated crappy crap? gotcha
[03:59:31] WAR_CH|LD: and the video format changes from 0.18.1 to 0.19?
[04:00:29] xris: [R]: you must not like your distro much...
[04:00:36] [R]: i love my distro
[04:00:38] xris: the general rule is "stick with what you're most familiar"
[04:00:39] [R]: it doesnt give me a kernel
[04:00:43] [R]: thats why i love it
[04:00:48] [R]: xris: well i use ck on my desktop
[04:00:56] [R]: but thats no excuse to go with it
[04:00:58] xris: [R]: that's not a distro, then... it's gnu utilities.
[04:01:02] [R]: lol
[04:01:17] achew22: if your doing most of the building..... how is it bloated?
[04:01:19] xris: WAR_CH|LD: did not change
[04:01:30] achew22: greetings xris! how are you on this loverly night?
[04:01:37] xris: achew22: not bad
[04:01:47] xris: too hot. office collects all of the heat in the house
[04:02:23] WAR_CH|LD: xris then how come before 0.19 my files names where all *.nuv
[04:02:32] WAR_CH|LD: and now with 0.19 they are all *.mpg
[04:02:35] WAR_CH|LD: or is it in name only?
[04:02:48] jake1932: i'm noticing that i'll get dropped frames on some channels while watching "live" tv, but if i rewind a bit and play, the video becomes normal. i'm assuming a buffering issue... is there a setting to fix this?
[04:03:01] xris: WAR_CH|LD: the ".nuv suffix but actually an mpeg" bit was fixed
[04:03:20] WAR_CH|LD: xris, what does that mena?
[04:03:25] xris: run mythrename.pl (in contrib) and it'll fix your old recordings, too.. run --help first so you don't confuse yourself, though
[04:03:54] xris: WAR_CH|LD: it means that if you had a hardware encoder, mythtv < .19 always named the files .nuv even if they weren't actually nupplevideo. now, myth uses the correct suffix depending on the file type
[04:03:54] WAR_CH|LD: so it's just a naming change
[04:04:08] WAR_CH|LD: right
[04:04:57] WAR_CH|LD: so my hardware encoders with myth are naming the files correctly?
[04:05:09] xris: in .19, yes
[04:05:15] WAR_CH|LD: nice
[04:05:23] xris: and if you run mythrename.pl it'll fix all of your files (and give them pretty names if you tell it to)
[04:05:32] WAR_CH|LD: nah, it's alright
[04:05:37] WAR_CH|LD: they can stay, I dont really care.
[04:06:03] WAR_CH|LD: but something in the dvb recording files has changed, because in 0.19 they dont work in this system my client uses
[04:06:28] WAR_CH|LD: which brings me to my problem, I have a shit load of video my client needs and can not use in there system atm.
[04:06:42] xris: nope. dvb is mpeg2-ts files. always has been, myth just rips them from the air (or whatever) and saves them to disk
[04:07:21] WAR_CH|LD: yea, you see in 0.18.1 they used to me mpeg2-ps files.. and you had the option to change to ts. I tried it once and it failed.looks like 0.19 iks standard st now?
[04:07:41] WAR_CH|LD: crikies, so many typo's
[04:07:54] WAR_CH|LD: looks like 0.19 is standard/default can not change from ts now
[04:08:37] xris: WAR_CH|LD: it was pure luck if it worked like that before.. anyway, if you want PS files, just turn on the lossless mpeg2 transcoder and turn on auto-transcode
[04:09:33] WAR_CH|LD: where do I turn on the lossless mpeg2 transcoder? and how do I get auto-transcode to work becuase i've been doing dummy recordings for an hour to try and get it to do something
[04:09:43] xris: transcoding profiles
[04:09:49] xris: and autotranscode is set per-recording profile
[04:11:58] jake1932: i guess i should clarify a buit – is it dropped frames even if the video looks sluggish even if backend captures all frames?
[04:12:15] WAR_CH|LD: so just going into mythweb/mythfront and setting the post recording optiosn to transcode wont get it to start?
[04:16:21] xris: WAR_CH|LD: that should work on new recordings, yes
[04:17:38] WAR_CH|LD: well, it doesn't. :)
[04:17:59] WAR_CH|LD: I got nothig in logs, I thought I was going unts and actually not turning it o nin logs
[04:18:12] WAR_CH|LD: do you HAVE to have commflagg on as well? I have not been turning that on either.
[04:18:24] xris: it shouldn't matter
[04:18:31] WAR_CH|LD: just the transcode from the mpg2 to the mpeg4
[04:18:40] xris: no, you want mpeg2->mpeg2
[04:18:47] WAR_CH|LD: yea, sorry.
[04:19:07] WAR_CH|LD: so apart from turning on that on i the new recordings? I shouldn't have to set aything else?
[04:19:52] xris: I don't think so
[04:20:01] xris: try it with an existing recording... press X while watching
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[04:20:26] WAR_CH|LD: ah, ok.
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[04:21:22] WAR_CH|LD: i'll try that. :)
[04:21:24] WAR_CH|LD: thanks fo ryour help manm
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[05:02:02] Goatz: Ok, Sorry to flog a dead horse, Has anyone thought of this or can someone point me to a good ref point for it. For thoses that hate the live tv buff constantly accessing the hd, Could you (in .19) just make a ram drive say 1 gig use that for buff and point save to a hd dir, (this is asuming you have like 1.5gigs of ram...)
[05:03:22] WAR_CH|LD: as far as I understand
[05:03:35] WAR_CH|LD: the buf location will always be the same as your recordings location in 0.19
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[05:03:47] WAR_CH|LD: and it can not be made different like you could in 0.18.1
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[05:03:55] defaultro: xris?
[05:04:07] WAR_CH|LD: becuase I tried to do that yesterday. :)
[05:04:36] Goatz: dankee war :)
[05:09:37] WAR_CH|LD: bitter zair
[05:09:42] WAR_CH|LD: dunno my german spelling.. sorry. :)
[05:09:56] sean33: ivtv made any progress to include HVR-1100 support ?
[05:10:37] WAR_CH|LD: http://ivtvdriver.org :)
[05:12:00] defaultro: hey guys, what analog card you think is easily supported and easy to install?
[05:12:27] sean33: pvr-150
[05:13:19] WAR_CH|LD: pvr 500 if you want 2x tuners
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[05:13:44] WAR_CH|LD: dvb cards are easy also, if you can find one your distro supports out of the box
[05:13:59] WAR_CH|LD: or learn2compile a kernel. :P
[05:14:37] sean33: aparently there are a couple of different versions of the pvr-500 one has supported tuners the other is not supported so read up
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[05:14:51] WAR_CH|LD: oh, you serious? didn't know that.
[05:14:55] WAR_CH|LD: I must have supported ones. :)
[05:15:06] WAR_CH|LD: they change the chips on us?
[05:16:06] sean33: yea aparently from memory there is a version with a different tuner module
[05:16:44] sean33: i will see if i can find the atrical
[05:19:26] mgpaulus: Is there an easier way to get an id on the wiki, without sending an email which gets ignored?
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[05:26:08] sean33: pvr-500 – Samsung tuners are the problem i believe
[05:27:37] sean33: vs a pvr-500 with the philips tuners which are well supported
[05:28:47] WAR_CH|LD: cools
[05:29:04] WAR_CH|LD: are there pvr 150's with samsung turns then?
[05:29:11] WAR_CH|LD: becasue the 500's are just meant to be 2x 150's
[05:30:11] sean33: oh ok aparently there is now support but only in newer verions of ivtv still alot of people with issues with the new tuners
[05:30:37] sean33: yea good point i havent seen a 150 with a samsung tunner , mine are all philips
[05:30:54] WAR_CH|LD: stupid hauppauge
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[05:36:22] sean33: whats the digital tuner diver called for DVB-S ?
[05:37:11] mgpaulus: sean33: szap?
[05:37:55] mgpaulus: I've been playing with so many different programs trying to get my air2pc working, they're all spinning in my head.....
[05:38:15] mgpaulus: sean33: what is it you are wanting to do?
[05:38:16] sean33: no i mean isnt there another driver system like ivtv ... i cant rember the name but its got alot of suport for digital
[05:38:22] mgpaulus: v4l
[05:38:40] mgpaulus: it's now in the 2.6.12+ kernels.
[05:39:48] mgpaulus: video4linux, I believe
[05:39:59] sean33: umm maybe ... yea i dunno , can i have ivtv cards and v4l cards running in the same box ?
[05:40:05] mgpaulus: yes.
[05:40:33] sean33: hmmm well might give that a go then
[05:40:42] mgpaulus: I have air2pc card (dbv-T) card and pvr-150 in same box
[05:40:59] mgpaulus: using 2.6.16 kernel and ivtv 0.6.2
[05:41:04] sean33: i have a HVR-1100
[05:41:26] sean33: be good to actualy use it
[05:42:33] mgpaulus: Well, now... using it is another story.... :-)
[05:42:36] defaultro: WARCHILD?
[05:42:44] WAR_CH|LD: yeah?
[05:42:49] defaultro: I just came back
[05:42:55] defaultro: so pvr500 is good?
[05:43:15] WAR_CH|LD: yeah, it's 2x pvr150's.. but make sure you get the one with the philip's chips.. o nteh samsungs. :(
[05:43:20] mgpaulus: I am using a Hauppauge MediaMVP running mvpmc (from mvpmc.sf.net) and it doesn't like the streams from my air2pc card
[05:43:23] WAR_CH|LD: so pvr 150's might be better
[05:43:38] defaultro: 150's one tuner though
[05:43:46] sean33: defaultro , pvr-500 is good with philips tuners , but not so good with the samsung tuners
[05:43:49] defaultro: so pvr500 isn't stable yet
[05:44:00] defaultro: ah, with philip, it's good
[05:44:22] defaultro: but how can we guarantee that it will be philip when we buy it online?
[05:44:58] sean33: i have heard also of interfierance on the pvr-500 when recording some channels
[05:45:04] defaultro: oh ok
[05:45:15] defaultro: so 150 seems to be the most stable
[05:45:34] sean33: 150's are fairly safe
[05:45:35] defaultro: is it ok to have shared IRQ?
[05:45:57] defaultro: coz i don't know if i have enough left
[05:46:42] sean33: i dont think IRQ's are as much of an issue with PC's as they use to be, very unlikley to be an issue
[05:48:00] WAR_CH|LD: defaultro, Iuse 3x pvr500's with the philip's tuners in one box
[05:48:03] WAR_CH|LD: and have no issues
[05:48:09] defaultro: assuming the 150 used the irq that my air2pc or fusion card used, and both have the same recording at the same hour, will it not be a big problem?
[05:48:21] WAR_CH|LD: thats right, 6 channels of analog loven recorded to a machine. :)
[05:48:29] defaultro: warchild, can you please cat /proc/interrupts
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[05:49:39] sean33: IRQ management is much different these days, I havent had a IRQ problem with hardware in the last 5 years and I repair computers daily
[05:49:57] defaultro: but my question first
[05:50:18] WAR_CH|LD: errerr, shit
[05:50:20] defaultro: assuming air2pc is sharing the same irq with pvr150, and both have the same hour recording
[05:50:26] WAR_CH|LD: let me get to that box, I think I have one card out atm.
[05:50:28] WAR_CH|LD: was just too much
[05:50:34] sean33: IRQ use to be phyisical interupt but now its more logic interupt
[05:51:03] defaultro: are you saying that both are going to record without affecting it each other?
[05:51:15] defaultro: because your answer is conflicting to what I'm hearing
[05:51:17] mgpaulus: my air2pc is on irq 225, and my pvr-150 is on irq 217, near as I can see
[05:51:23] WAR_CH|LD: pastbin
[05:51:32] mgpaulus: and, yes, I can record on both cards at same time.
[05:51:35] defaultro: why is it to high? it's totally different than mine
[05:51:39] sean33: if your pci bus and cpu can keep up should be no problem
[05:51:40] defaultro: i am only up to 15
[05:51:57] WAR_CH|LD: http://pastebin.ca/56511
[05:52:01] WAR_CH|LD: the other card, I took out
[05:52:05] mgpaulus: what kernel are you on?
[05:52:11] defaultro: 2.6.15.1
[05:52:11] WAR_CH|LD: it has to be returned/replaced from supplier
[05:52:41] sean33: lol there are only 16 interupts , 32 when irq 2 is used as a high low bit
[05:52:59] defaultro: why is your irq 225 and 217?
[05:53:01] mgpaulus: I can't remember if I specified PlugNPlay in the BIOS or not
[05:53:25] sean33: but as i said its virtual interupt based on logic not physical interupt lines
[05:53:31] defaultro: http://pastebin.com/721897
[05:53:43] defaultro: hmmm
[05:53:51] defaultro: can you cat /proc/interrupts please
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[05:54:26] sean33: an IRQ use to go high to tell a device that it can talk on the bus the CPU x86 arcitecture only had 8 interupts originaly
[05:54:44] mgpaulus: http://pastebin.com/721899
[05:55:05] defaultro: that's cool
[05:55:15] defaultro: how can I make mine like that in order to prevent irq sharing issues?
[05:55:33] defaultro: here is my detailed from lscpi -v, http://pastebin.com/721900
[05:55:44] defaultro: you will notice that i don't have higher that 15
[05:56:01] sean33: i realy dont think its an issue unless your machine is 10 years old and slower than a P250
[05:56:01] defaultro: is irq steering enabled in your kernel?
[05:56:15] defaultro: hmmm, i don't think so
[05:56:23] defaultro: i had an issue last week
[05:56:31] mgpaulus: Not sure. I'm running a debian backports 2.6.16 kernel
[05:56:44] defaultro: are you familiar with irq stirring?
[05:57:17] mgpaulus: only slightly from the winblows side of things.
[05:58:14] mgpaulus: do you know what the kernel configuration name would be?
[05:58:19] defaultro: looks like i may need to rebuild my kernel with apic support
[05:58:25] defaultro: apic
[05:59:57] mgpaulus: looks like I am using ACPI
[06:00:12] defaultro: ACPI is power :D
[06:00:19] defaultro: that's different
[06:00:23] mgpaulus: seems like more than that
[06:00:32] defaultro: ACPI is not related to APIC
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[06:02:44] mgpaulus: now that's really funny. my other box, which is also running 2.6.16-1-k7 kernel, same MoBo I believe, has normal interrupts, 0–15
[06:03:15] defaultro: :)
[06:03:30] mgpaulus: and dmesg looks different at the beginning.
[06:04:36] bobbyz: Hi, I've compiled mythtv for use with qt-embedded/directfb, and I've got it configured and all set up (been using mythtv with qt/X for a few years on my other computer), but I'm getting an error message regarding "No hardware blit support" indicated at the bottom of the following log file: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Tvbp0B58.html
[06:04:47] mgpaulus: first box with big IRQ starts with: ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0.AGPB._PRT]
[06:05:19] bobbyz: Is this because I'm using the vesa-tng fb kernel driver, or does it refer to the following kernel config option:
[06:05:43] mgpaulus: I'm wondering if I have PNP enabled in BIOS on one box, and not the other
[06:05:44] bobbyz: "Enable Tile blitting Support"
[06:07:08] bobbyz: ?
[06:07:42] mgpaulus: and a 3rd box has the wild interrupts (0 – 201)
[06:08:12] sean33: where are the remote lirc codes defined ?
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[06:10:58] sean33: never mind
[06:11:11] mgpaulus: sean33: isn't lirc a separate package?
[06:11:30] sean33: yes
[06:13:06] mgpaulus: do you mean in which header file, or which /etc/xxx.conf file, or which doc file explains what a code is?
[06:14:09] mgpaulus: sean33: just saw you nm.
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[06:20:27] Netslayer: anyone have update gentoo svn ebuilds.. looks like they are failing to build now
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[06:46:25] dorel_: when i backup a dvd with subtitles if i choose quality Good then the movie is turned to be an xvid/avi wtih subtitles on it (good) but if i choose quality Excellent or Perfect then it saves it as a vob file but i dont see the subtitles. is this a normal operation?
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[07:34:54] sean33: hmmm interesting
[07:36:38] sean33: plugged in the HVR1100 and its kinda recognised , dunno if is at a working point yet but it seems to know a bit about it in the dmesg
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[08:08:24] SlicerDicer-: mchou: you here?
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[08:15:36] onetwo: Anyone now how to get dvb-s hd from sky?
[08:16:04] onetwo: bbc unencrypted channels I should say.
[08:17:41] sean33: so to add patches to the video4linux i have to recompile the kernel ?
[08:29:26] DGnome: Anyone have experiences of the Terratec Cinergy 2400 dual dvb-t -card?
[08:30:55] DGnome: the question is, does it work with linux dvb? :)
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[09:02:30] stuarta: onetwo: there is no unencrypted HD from sky
[09:02:42] stuarta: only the BBC test HD transmission
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[09:30:18] stuarta: morning juski
[09:30:39] Juski: morning
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[09:30:57] Juski: did a full scan last night – worked like a dream!
[09:31:05] Juski: (with latest SVN)
[09:31:06] stuarta: :)
[09:31:37] stuarta: now I've just got to sort out the other freq handling...
[09:31:39] Juski: I like what's been done with mythtv-setup – a fair bit of new idiot proofing
[09:31:48] johnp_: On the downside, I did a full tuned scan and it didn't :(
[09:31:54] johnp_: (oh and morning)
[09:32:06] Juski: morning – but I only care about ME... ;-)
[09:32:09] Juski: <joke>
[09:32:23] johnp_: quite right too, wouldn't expect anything less ;)
[09:32:27] stuarta: morning johnp_, tuned scan needs looking at....
[09:32:34] Juski: I increased the timeout as a matter of course – but not sure I needed to
[09:32:49] johnp_: I might give it a go, I belive it's meant to be rainging tonight
[09:33:01] johnp_: err raining.
[09:33:15] Juski: I tried a tuned scan at first, that didn't work so I tried the full scan half expecting to need a channels.conf
[09:33:23] stuarta: doesn't it work if it's raining?
[09:33:36] Juski: but if push came to shove I could just pinch my main box's DB
[09:33:40] johnp_: I don't work it it's not :)
[09:33:50] johnp_: arse ^if^
[09:33:55] Juski: eep – busy
[09:34:53] stuarta: tuned scan, as in tell it a mux frequency?
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[09:35:43] johnp_: correct, it scans it, but doesn't go on to scan the other muxes it finds.
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[09:36:04] stuarta: must put that on my todo list....
[09:38:18] stuarta: shouldn't be too hard...
[09:40:26] johnp_: (famous last words)
[09:41:08] stuarta: I can actually see the logic in my head....
[09:41:42] stuarta: tune -> wait for NIT -> rebuild scan list from NIT, scan based on NIT.
[09:43:08] johnp_: I think that's what it did do at one point, obviously you probably need some alternate frequency list kabobbins going on as well.
[09:43:43] stuarta: the bit that needs writing is support for scanning a list of possible freq for a given tsid
[09:44:49] stuarta: given A 1 2 3, B 4 5 6, where A & B are transports and 1–6 are freq
[09:45:27] stuarta: it should walk 1–3 till tsid(A) is found, then skip to 4–6 looking for tsid(B)
[09:45:54] johnp_: Think we had a crude bit of code to do that bit as well.
[09:49:15] stuarta: if it's the bit I think it is, it's been commented out...
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[09:56:23] jono: Juski: ping
[09:58:34] jono: saturday or sunday ?
[09:58:43] jono: is sunday OK?
[09:58:55] jono: oops
[09:59:05] Juski: hi jono
[09:59:05] jono: wrong window :P
[09:59:08] jono: hey Juski
[09:59:13] Juski: sunday is fine
[09:59:16] Juski: :-)
[09:59:16] jono: glad to hear you can do a demo at LRL :)
[09:59:45] Juski: hope I get a good reception ;)
[10:01:33] jono: :)
[10:01:38] jono: well, its on the main stage :)
[10:01:56] jono: awesome, confirmed :)
[10:02:05] jono: damn, wrong window, again :P
[10:02:10] Juski: I'm going to put a mail together outlining the stand requirements & stuff
[10:03:17] Juski: jono: any considerations for the demo? such as how it connects to the projector etc?
[10:03:30] dscoular: Anyone noticed slight surging in playback of livetv (DVB-T) on 0.19-fixes svn 9936 ?
[10:04:13] dscoular: fps seems to speed up slow down very slightly... most noticable on horizontal movement.
[10:04:21] jono: Juski: cool,
[10:04:31] jono: Juski: we can discuss projector stuff closer to the time
[10:04:36] stuarta: dscoular: just after starting watching?
[10:04:40] Juski: jono: okees, np
[10:04:40] jono: if it is 1024x768 it should work fine
[10:04:56] dscoular: stuarta, no it pretty constant
[10:05:18] stuarta: what I meant was does it start just as you enter?
[10:05:30] stuarta: cause the workaround is to pause/unpause
[10:05:54] dscoular: I think so it's quite subtle.
[10:06:49] dscoular: I first noticed it in the PiP window and discovered that changing the in picture window cured it... then I noticed it was also happening in the main window (only more subtly)
[10:07:04] dscoular: I'll try the pause/unpause thang... cheers!
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[10:07:50] dscoular: stuarta, yeah that seems to have fixed it... I think, as I said it's pretty subtle.
[10:08:27] stuarta: call it a quirk, that nobody has sat down to isolate...
[10:08:41] dscoular: Is it specific to DVB ?
[10:08:48] stuarta: don't think so.
[10:09:21] dscoular: k... many thanks... it was one of those things that you don't notice but when you do it gets a little annoying.
[10:09:34] Juski: I've got 'warp audio' enabled, so sometimes hear the sound track 'wow' when I first resume playback
[10:09:55] Juski: my wife never notices it, but then she hardly has a good ear for pitch ;-)
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[10:11:02] Juski: jono: anyway – very excited about LRL.. will be a great weekend and it's not even that far away now (eep!)
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[11:27:02] ** stuarta can't believe they let Juski buy it! **
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[11:27:31] gardengnome: stuarta: i think he was talking about the url
[11:27:55] stuarta: oh yeah, *link*....
[11:27:58] dorel_: when i have an EXEC in a menu's xml its runing mplayer 3 times instead of just once
[11:28:51] Juski: dorel_: could that be a problem with your lircrc file? repeating too early?
[11:29:35] dorel_: no im using the keyboard :)
[11:29:50] dorel_: im thinking maybe cause its internet streams
[11:29:50] Juski: hmmm
[11:29:56] dorel_: makes sense?
[11:30:11] Juski: you using the hackish method to get internet streams into mythtv? ;-)
[11:30:48] dorel_: lol yeah
[11:31:14] dorel_: like to get those apple movie trailers im doing: EXEC mplayer -fs -zoom -quite -cache-min 30 http://movie.apple.com/trailers/......mov
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[11:31:20] Juski: 'special' cables
[11:31:37] dorel_: sorry but im unware of a streaming media plugin :P
[11:32:10] Juski: dorel_: there's mythstream, but erm good luck getting it working with 0.19 or later. 0.18 for that matter
[11:32:31] dorel_: yeah im not even going to try it :P
[11:33:22] Juski: another one of my infamously glib comments... it might not be too hard to rewrite mythstream to pull it into line with the main devs' requirements
[11:33:57] Juski: there was no need for them to integrate the player into the plugin
[11:34:33] stuarta: mwahaha...
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[11:38:45] Juski: lol: http://www.hdtvuk.tv/2006/05/bbc_launches_hd.html
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[11:42:13] Merlin83b: Heh.
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[11:48:01] Juski: is there a dreambox which does HD yet, I wonder?
[11:48:17] Juski: would make a great receiver for FTA satellite HD
[11:48:37] Juski: and.. no doubt it would be able to play back recordings too
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[11:51:11] Juski: interesting. apparently the FTA satellite stuff is just in dvb-s, not dvb-s2 (for the bbc stuff anyway)
[11:52:39] Traxtopel: anyone have any tips on fonts being too small on my tv screen
[11:53:37] Juski: Traxtopel: which fonts? i.e. which part of the GUI?
[11:54:01] Traxtopel: say when u start up the options menu on the frontend
[11:54:04] Juski: you _should_ be able to change the font sizes in mythfrontend's appearance menu – but some themes don't allow it
[11:54:12] Traxtopel: I have tried it
[11:54:18] Traxtopel: they seem to remain the same
[11:54:35] Juski: the font sizes in my themes (projectgrayhem & projectgrayhem-wide) are hard-coded, as a lot of themes are
[11:54:54] Traxtopel: right
[11:55:06] Juski: look in the theme.xml file & make sure you have the right font(s) installed, for one thing
[11:55:15] Traxtopel: yep
[11:55:33] Juski: if you want to increase the font size... it's really quite easy for the menus
[11:55:50] Traxtopel: by hacking the ui.xml?
[11:56:18] Juski: theme.xml
[11:56:20] gardengnome: uh, isn't that the usual issue with X not running at 100 dpi?
[11:56:30] Juski: look for the section bounded by <genericbutton>
[11:56:49] Juski: <fontname> and <fontsize> (funnily enough)
[11:57:19] Juski: projectgrayhem, for instance uses Bitstream Vera at a size of 21pts. if that's not big enough I think you need an eye test :-P
[11:57:41] psofa: lol
[11:58:06] Juski: bear in mind that there will be a font size at which the menu stops working properly – the text will run over one line & will end up clipped
[11:58:28] Juski: that's caused by the text being too big for its alotted screen area
[11:58:46] Traxtopel: I must just download that theme
[11:58:53] Traxtopel: this theme is all ms fonts
[11:58:58] Juski: and that's set in the section <text> <area>
[11:58:59] Traxtopel: I have them installed
[11:59:38] Juski: oh and also <buttonarea> defines the size of the buttons area, strangely and rather un-obviously
[11:59:50] Traxtopel: Juski, what setting do u have there for bitstream
[12:00:03] Juski: I said 21 pts didn't I?
[12:00:11] Juski: <fontname>Vera</fontname>
[12:00:12] Juski: <fontsize>21</fontsize>
[12:00:12] Traxtopel: no I mean i.,e
[12:00:16] Traxtopel: ok
[12:00:43] Juski: also as gardengnome said make sure your desktop is set to 100DPI
[12:01:06] Traxtopel: it is
[12:01:29] Juski: I've never found it to make much difference to be honest – certainly not noticably
[12:01:52] Juski: it can knock placement of things all to hell if it's not 100 though AFAIK
[12:03:19] Juski: I can recommend the 'Retro' theme though – it looky niiiice
[12:03:27] Traxtopel: will try
[12:03:50] Juski: I'm not really a fan of blue-ish themes though
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[12:07:00] Juski: btw gardengnome I got svn compiled alright last night. ran mythtv-setup & I _think_ I'm about ready to go
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[12:09:29] gardengnome: Juski: heh, nice. good luck :=
[12:09:31] gardengnome: :)
[12:09:51] onetwo: Is this channel logged somewhere?
[12:10:29] Juski: yes. check the message you got when you logged in
[12:10:52] dscoular: or google for mythtv-users and irc
[12:11:02] dscoular: oh, and log ;)
[12:11:03] Juski: or google for beirdo irc log
[12:11:22] onetwo: I saw it this morning, but can't see it now. Thanks.
[12:11:44] dscoular: http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1
[12:12:10] onetwo: thanks.
[12:12:20] dscoular: nae wuckin furries
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[12:13:56] Juski: eh? looking at dell outlet to price up an uber quick desktop base unit, and they're fooking dearer than the main site, even neglecting you get printer, TFT, keyboard etc with the main site's deals :-/
[12:14:59] dscoular: Didn't know dell had outlets other than their main sites
[12:15:37] Juski: they have the 'outlet' for (ahem) bargains
[12:16:42] Juski: looking for a Pentium D or similar
[12:16:46] dscoular: heehee
[12:17:12] Juski: don't want the monitor, keyboard or OS
[12:17:35] Juski: don't mind throwing the OS away though
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[12:23:54] Juski: bugger. you can't build a system as cheap as they sell – not even close!
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[12:24:29] Merlin83b: Pretty much. Dell are wicked cheap.
[12:24:39] dscoular: Juski, yeah... we were just talking about that at work today.
[12:25:01] dscoular: I guess it's economy of scale... no room for the little man these days
[12:25:36] AlmtyBob: depends on where you live
[12:25:48] dscoular: Oz
[12:25:52] AlmtyBob: and if you use techdeals and such
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[12:26:27] dscoular: Duh! what is a techdeal ?
[12:29:20] daxxar: Bah. Silly VISA-charges. Ordered at a webshop, cancelled the order, and now I can't order again 'cause I haven't got the refund yet. *yawn*
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[12:31:02] ** sean33 is in Oz too **
[12:33:07] Zider: wizard of Oz
[12:33:27] ** dscoular wonders where the yellow brick road starts **
[12:33:30] sapbeast: is that the land of exploding dinosaurs
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[12:38:46] sean33: tring to recompile some modules : getting " drivers/media/video/cx88/cx88-mpeg.c:30:5: warning: "LINUX_VERSION_CODE" is not defined
[12:39:49] dscoular: Is this within the kernel source ?
[12:39:59] dscoular: or a drop from linuxtv.org ?
[12:42:12] darthy: where to look for the right kernel configuration to run the frontend on a epia m10000 ?
[12:42:42] dscoular: google ?
[12:42:46] sean33: ooow nice ... Hauppauge Nova-T PCI MCE Dual Digital any support for this ?
[12:42:53] ** dscoular apolgies for being less than helpful **
[12:43:04] sean33: Nova-T 500
[12:43:08] dscoular: sean33, not yet
[12:43:19] sean33: dam
[12:43:31] dscoular: it's being discussed right now on the linuxtv mailing list
[12:43:49] sean33: looks like a very nice card
[12:44:51] dscoular: The USB 2.0 tuners are okay too... if you've run out of PCI slots (like me)
[12:44:51] sean33: usb digigal ?
[12:44:51] dscoular: Yep
[12:44:52] sean33: which ones ?
[12:45:35] dscoular: I bought a AverMedia DVB-T USB-2.0 thang... it's tiny and has my favourite feature... a blue led... oh and an IR reciever + remo
[12:45:35] sean33: yea im running out of pci holes usb would be ok if its decient frame rate
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[12:46:15] sean33: i have a silverstone case with the imon and vfd so dont actualy need a remote
[12:46:18] dscoular: USB-2 is fine... it's only recording a broadcasted digital mpeg-2 stream to disk... so frame rate is not a function of the USB-2.0 device
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[12:47:04] dscoular: It's not quite as sensitive as my Nova-T but thats coz my ariel is crap
[12:47:36] dscoular: I just use my Nova-T to control it anyway
[12:47:52] sean33: dscoular you wouldnt be a reseller too would ya ?
[12:48:22] ** dscoular is outraged! **
[12:48:27] dscoular: :)
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[12:48:47] dscoular: No... I code perl all day for a living
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[12:49:01] sean33: dscoular outraged at what ?
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[12:49:13] sean33: dscoular, lol i love perl
[12:49:17] dscoular: Aw, I was just kidding... I'm not a reseller
[12:49:39] sean33: i am
[12:49:47] dscoular: :)
[12:50:07] sean33: so the nova-t-usb is well supported?
[12:50:53] sean33: i have a pair of 150's but basicly got them for the video inputs and mpeg encoders
[12:50:59] dscoular: Dunno... I only have the AverMedia thang... I reckon any with USB-2.0 should be okay... it's the USB-1.0 ones that were unworkable methinks
[12:51:36] sean33: yep i have a supplier for them too
[12:52:07] dscoular: I started out with a PVR-350 about 2 years ago... couldn't get it to work reliable under windoze... but was amazed how quickly I managed to get gentoo and mythtv working way back then
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[12:52:53] sean33: -> AVerMedia DVB-T USB2.0 Digital Terrestrial TV Tuner Card, Electronic Program Guide, Time-Shift, Real Time Digital Recording, Remote Control $110ex
[12:53:18] dscoular: Yeah... I was shocked when it arrived... the actual box is tiny!
[12:53:25] dscoular: I think there are two versions...
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[12:53:45] sean33: rrp is 165 sheze seems like alot for a usb device
[12:53:55] dscoular: One with the remote and a ridiculous "portable" ariel and one without these
[12:54:16] sean33: so it works with ivtv ok
[12:54:32] dscoular: Nah I have the PVR350 gathering dust in a cupboard
[12:54:50] dscoular: I only have 1 PCI slot in my shuttle SB61G2 thang
[12:55:48] sean33: your not using the 350 ?
[12:55:55] dscoular: no
[12:56:48] sean33: why not ?
[12:57:23] dscoular: No slots left. The Nova-T occupies one... the USB-2.0 DVB-T thang gives me a second tuner.
[12:57:44] sean33: oh right
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[13:29:44] Juski: I wouldn't risk it ;-)
[13:30:06] stuarta: i don't mind killing it.
[13:30:28] stuarta: it's only a test install after all.
[13:32:14] stuarta: I'm used to debian. upgrade in place....
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[14:27:43] s3cur17y: Can someone help me configure MythTv
[14:28:44] Merlin83b: Did you follow the howto? Have you at least tried?
[14:28:52] Merlin83b: Best if you have a specific problem before asking, really.
[14:28:58] s3cur17y: I am working on it
[14:29:14] s3cur17y: I am doing the mysql now
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[14:31:46] s3cur17y: Merlin83b, why do I need the mysql database?
[14:31:57] Merlin83b: To store data in.
[14:32:07] s3cur17y: I am using DirectTV, and I have to leave MythTV on Channel 3
[14:32:12] s3cur17y: ok..
[14:32:40] stuarta: that's the same as asking why do I need my head on my shoulders.
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[14:32:55] s3cur17y: I don't have a database directory
[14:33:14] Merlin83b: Get MySQL up and running first.
[14:33:20] s3cur17y: it is
[14:33:36] Merlin83b: Good, then carry on :-)
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[14:34:02] s3cur17y: well I don't know where the directory 'database' is
[14:34:08] s3cur17y: it says to 'cd database'
[14:34:31] Merlin83b: Where is the guide you're reading?
[14:34:41] s3cur17y: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-singlehtml.html#s6
[14:34:46] stuarta: sounds like the instructions for build from source...
[14:35:11] s3cur17y: I did 'yum -y install mysql-*"
[14:35:21] Merlin83b: Have you downloaded MythTV?
[14:35:26] s3cur17y: yes
[14:35:32] s3cur17y: and I have compiled it
[14:35:40] Merlin83b: Go into the mythtv directory.
[14:36:01] s3cur17y: ok
[14:36:03] Merlin83b: See the Gentoo example – should make things clearer.
[14:36:13] s3cur17y: ok, i see the db dir now
[14:36:16] hashbang: s3cur17y: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php # make life easy for yourself.
[14:37:17] stuarta: should put that in the topic
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[14:42:12] s3cur17y: bash: /usr/share/doc/mythtv-0.19/database/mc.sql: No such file or directory
[14:43:31] Merlin83b: I'm inclined to let you work that error out for yourself :-P
[14:43:40] Merlin83b: Type locate mc.sql
[14:44:02] s3cur17y: I got it
[14:44:08] hashbang: s3cur17y: those instructions assume you follow /all/ the instructions, i.e. install mythtv from the atrpms packages.
[14:44:11] s3cur17y: /home/s3cur17y/database
[14:44:16] s3cur17y: yes
[14:44:25] s3cur17y: no..
[14:44:30] s3cur17y: installing from source
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[14:45:00] ** hashbang wonders why anyone would use FC, and not want to start with well-packaged packages? **
[14:45:09] Merlin83b: Masochism.
[14:45:15] hashbang: Merlin83b: must be.
[14:45:38] stuarta: insufficient LARTing?
[14:45:53] hashbang: stuarta: or that.
[14:45:59] adante: does anybody have problems with mythfrontend ignoring input in livetv.. usually happens when changing channels or if something cpu intensive occurrs
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[14:48:46] adante: for instance it happened with this frontend log, which does not seem to show anything innocuous http://rafb.net/paste/results/g6UIiv88.html
[14:49:15] s3cur17y: do I have to switch to kde?
[14:49:25] hashbang: s3cur17y: no.
[14:49:33] hashbang: s3cur17y: whatever gave you that idea?
[14:49:39] s3cur17y: [s3cur17y@localhost mythtv-0.19]$ mythtvsetup
[14:49:39] s3cur17y: bash: mythtvsetup: command not found
[14:50:03] adante: mythtv-setup
[14:50:12] hashbang: s3cur17y: you should know where you put the files if you've done the install.
[14:50:52] s3cur17y: all i did was './configure' 'gmake, make' and 'make install'
[14:51:48] s3cur17y: hashband, where else could the be?
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[14:52:07] hashbang: s3cur17y: read the makefile.
[14:52:20] hashbang: s3cur17y: or use locate/find
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[14:53:06] s3cur17y: locate mythtvsetup came up with nothing
[14:53:44] stuarta: s3cur17y: read what adante said!
[14:53:47] hashbang: s3cur17y: the locate database only gets rebuilt periodically, so if you've done the install recently, the files won't be there yet.
[14:54:14] s3cur17y: [s3cur17y@localhost mythtv-0.19]$ mythtv-setup
[14:54:15] s3cur17y: bash: mythtv-setup: command not found
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[14:54:33] s3cur17y: [s3cur17y@localhost mythtv-0.19]$ mythtvsetup
[14:54:33] s3cur17y: bash: mythtvsetup: command not found
[14:54:52] stuarta: do you know anything about $PATH settings under unix?
[14:55:26] s3cur17y: nope
[14:55:31] armand: do you know anything about unix?
[14:55:34] ** stuarta puts money on it not being able to find it's libs either.... **
[14:55:50] s3cur17y: very very little...
[14:56:05] armand: knoppmyth might be a better start for you..
[14:56:31] s3cur17y: let me guess a LiveCD
[14:56:33] armand: its a mostly automated install from what i hear
[14:56:39] hashbang: s3cur17y: just work through those fedora mythology instructions from earlier, if all you want is a working myth box.
[14:56:43] hashbang: s3cur17y: or mythdora
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[14:57:10] hashbang: s3cur17y: building yourself from source is really only sensible if you want to get involved in hacking on mythtv
[14:57:26] stuarta: and know what you are doing....
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[14:57:35] hashbang: what stuarta said.
[14:57:36] Kazan: or if you want to use .19-fixes
[14:58:00] stuarta: axel's been pretty good at tracking fixes for the rpms...
[14:58:01] hashbang: Kazan: there was a doc on rolling RPMs from SVN, and which would produce tidier results.
[14:58:13] hashbang: Kazan: also, yes, atrpms includes .19-fixes.
[14:59:09] Kazan: atrpms... barf
[14:59:13] ** Kazan refuses to use atrpms ever **
[14:59:23] hashbang: Kazan: they're fine for mythtv boxes.
[14:59:29] ** stuarta hates fedora & redhat **
[14:59:40] hashbang: Kazan: even if I did lure Axel into including a dodgy patch. :-/
[14:59:45] Kazan: no they're not
[14:59:51] Kazan: they're not fine at all
[14:59:56] hashbang: Kazan: howso?
[15:00:24] Kazan: thanks to axel thinking he knows more about shit than the fedora devs and compiling his own versions of X and KDE with higher version numbers than the main repository he fucked up my work machine
[15:00:33] s3cur17y: so I guess mythdora, and knoppmyth are both LiveCD's?
[15:00:37] Kazan: i had to completely wipe all of Xorg and KDE from my machine, disable atrpms and reinstall them
[15:00:51] armand: heh thats lame
[15:00:53] hashbang: Kazan: so why did you upgrade X and KDE from a third-party repo?
[15:01:03] Kazan: because i let it automatically choose it
[15:01:08] hashbang: Kazan: esp. on a myth box.
[15:01:13] Kazan: wasn't on my mythbox
[15:01:18] Kazan: was on my development machine at work
[15:01:27] Kazan: and yum update takes the highest version from all active repositories
[15:01:30] hashbang: Kazan: you're changing the argument.
[15:01:33] Kazan: no
[15:01:39] Kazan: you're failing to read what i said
[15:01:45] s3cur17y: so I guess mythdora, and knoppmyth are both LiveCD's?
[15:02:01] armand: s3c: perhaps you can look at them and see
[15:02:04] Kazan: s3cur17y: no idea
[15:02:06] hashbang: Kazan: personally, I wouldn't use atrpms on non-myth boxes for exactly the same reason. But Axel's policy of rebuilding core packages is clear. If you don't like it, don't use it.
[15:02:20] Kazan: i wouldn't use axels repository for ANYTHING
[15:02:25] jams: no they are not live cds
[15:02:34] Kazan: what he broke on my machine he would have broke on a mythbox as well
[15:02:40] Merlin83b: KnoppMyth can run as a LiveCD.
[15:02:49] hashbang: <hashbang> Kazan: they're fine for mythtv boxes.
[15:02:49] hashbang: <hashbang> Kazan: even if I did lure Axel into including a dodgy patch. :-/
[15:02:49] hashbang: <Kazan> no they're not
[15:02:49] hashbang: <Kazan> they're not fine at all
[15:02:58] Kazan: correct hashbang
[15:03:00] Kazan: they're NOT fine
[15:03:13] armand: shields up!
[15:03:15] Kazan: his RPMs broke a machine
[15:03:16] hashbang: Kazan: I only said they were fine for myth boxes.
[15:03:27] Kazan: and you're failing to read what i said
[15:03:30] s3cur17y: Do you all have a better way of install MythTV?
[15:03:35] Kazan: s3cur17y: RTFM
[15:03:55] s3cur17y: RTFM?
[15:04:00] Merlin83b: s3cur17y: I couldn't be bothered with the doing lots myself so used KnoppMyth. Worked fine for me, ymmv.
[15:04:01] Kazan: hashbang: his RPMs broke a machine – it would have broken a mythbox if you would have yum update'd at that point
[15:04:05] Kazan: s3cur17y: read the fine manual
[15:04:07] armand: s3c: for you, knoppmyth or mythdora. since you dont know anything about unix you i highly doubt you will have an enjoyable experience doing it from source
[15:04:07] scopeuk: read the F'in manual
[15:04:09] jams: Merlin83b- thats correct but his purpose he does not need it
[15:04:36] hashbang: Kazan: so you leave atrpms disabled, and only enable it when you're doing a 'yum update mythtv' or whatever.
[15:04:52] Kazan: hashbang: or just not enable it at all and compile from source, or manually download the packages
[15:04:54] s3cur17y: armand, well the problem is, that I am not going to install a fresh os on here.
[15:05:07] armand: s3c: then start reading
[15:05:08] Kazan: s3cur17y: compile from source
[15:05:09] armand: =]
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[15:05:11] s3cur17y: I have FC5 and Win XP just the way I want them
[15:05:15] hashbang: Kazan: that's a waste of effort when there's lots of hard work been done for you.
[15:05:18] Kazan: s3cur17y: you can get .19-fixes that way
[15:05:24] ** hashbang is lazy, and hates duplicating effort. **
[15:05:24] s3cur17y: Kazan, I did compile from source
[15:05:24] Kazan: s3cur17y: a mythbox shoudl really be a dedicated machine
[15:05:44] Kazan: s3cur17y: then what is your issue?
[15:05:51] s3cur17y: NM....
[15:05:58] s3cur17y: I will just use TvTime...
[15:06:03] Kazan: ............
[15:06:04] armand: good luck
[15:06:08] Kazan: haha
[15:06:14] s3cur17y: but you all can help me with my nvidia problem
[15:06:14] Merlin83b: s3cur17y: Give KnoppMyth a go.
[15:06:21] Kazan: good luck using a non-pvr software as pvr
[15:06:25] armand: s3c: gee thanks for giving us the priviledge
[15:06:27] Kazan: Merlin83b: he said he doesn't want to change distros
[15:06:29] armand: s3c: how about, i pass
[15:06:31] armand: =]
[15:06:33] s3cur17y: I don't need a pvr..
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[15:06:44] Merlin83b: Kazan: And I'm advising otherwise :-)
[15:06:47] Kazan: then what they hell are you doing trying to use mythtv?
[15:06:51] Merlin83b: Heh.
[15:06:56] afm: looking for a little lirc help
[15:06:57] armand: i think he just wants unix tech support
[15:07:00] Kazan: if you don't need a PVR then why are you trying to use PVR software?
[15:07:07] Kazan: armand: i think he just wants brow beat
[15:07:07] afm: lircd fires up with no errors... /var/log/messages sees the receiver.. irw sees every button pushed... i have /etc/lircd.conf and /home/mythtv/.lircrc and /home/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc
[15:07:14] s3cur17y: Kazan just so I can see what it is like
[15:07:16] Kazan: afm: ok?
[15:07:25] Kazan: s3cur17y: it's really good, if you use it appropriately
[15:07:31] Kazan: s3cur17y: my non-techie fiance uses it all the time
[15:07:49] Kazan: s3cur17y: she learned very quickly how to use both the web interface and the GUI via the remote
[15:07:59] Kazan: afm: what's it not doing?
[15:08:02] s3cur17y: :)
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[15:08:08] Juski: afm: check the button names are the same in the lircd.conf and lircrc files
[15:08:15] afm: nothing happens when i try and controll mythtv
[15:08:20] Juski: afm: also check mythtv is built with lirc support
[15:08:27] Kazan: afm: pastbin your lircrc
[15:08:34] afm: using knoppmyth
[15:08:40] afm: its built in
[15:08:47] Kazan: has to be enabled at compile time
[15:08:57] s3cur17y: Kazan, also I don't have cable I have DirectTV. So I would not be able to change the channels with MythTV anywho
[15:08:57] armand: afm: ldd `which mythfrontend` |grep lirc
[15:08:58] s3cur17y: so..
[15:08:59] Juski: in that case I suspect a mismatch between button names in lircd.conf and lircrc
[15:08:59] armand: first do that
[15:09:08] Kazan: s3cur17y: yes you would
[15:09:09] armand: oh
[15:09:11] armand: knoppmyth
[15:09:20] afm: liblirc_client.so.0 => /usr/local/lib/liblirc_client.so.0 (0xb5f63000)
[15:09:22] Kazan: s3cur17y: my mythBox is slaving my digital cable STB
[15:09:37] s3cur17y: DirectTv is Satillite
[15:09:45] armand: yeah, knoppmyth is good with lirc compiled in, afm i bet juski is right, check those button names in lircrc vs lircd.conf
[15:09:46] jams: also make sure the frontend was restarted after lircd was restarted
[15:09:46] Kazan: s3cur17y: so what
[15:09:50] Kazan: s3cur17y: doesn't make a difference
[15:09:53] Kazan: s3cur17y: you slave it the same way
[15:09:55] s3cur17y: yes it does
[15:10:00] Kazan: s3cur17y: i have a PVR-500 dedicated to tuning analog, then my digital cable STB is slaved via an irblaster and grabbed by a bttv
[15:10:02] Kazan: no it doesn't
[15:10:13] Kazan: it's an external box that takes commands from an IR interface and outputs video
[15:10:38] Kazan: you hook up an IR transmitter to your mythbox, configure lirc with the correct remote codes and you can control your external unit
[15:11:00] s3cur17y: I don't have the money for it
[15:11:04] Kazan: um....
[15:11:11] s3cur17y: even though it is like 15 or 20 bucks
[15:11:14] s3cur17y: but still
[15:11:14] Kazan: costs $15 to build a hybrid serial receiver/transmitter
[15:11:31] s3cur17y: I could build one and I still would not have the money
[15:11:33] Kazan: i have a hybrid serial receiver/transmitter that I made myself – receiving remote commands for control and sending commands to cable box
[15:11:41] ** Kazan has a DCT2000 cable box though **
[15:11:44] ** Kazan twitches **
[15:12:26] Juski: '/ignore whining'
[15:12:39] ** Kazan gives juski a boot to the head for good measure **
[15:12:50] s3cur17y: how do you uninstall something that you compiled from source
[15:12:57] Kazan: very carefully :P
[15:13:11] jams: make uninstall?
[15:13:12] Juski: hey! well done you Kazan for managing to a) build a IR getup and b) get it working
[15:13:26] Juski: fscking hell
[15:13:34] Kazan: piece of cake
[15:13:41] Kazan: well.... getting the blaster working not so much
[15:14:08] Kazan: thought it was broken because it had a lot less range that i thought it would, and the damn DCT2000 problems i thought where my transmitter at first, not the crackwhore box
[15:14:12] Juski: sometimes a single IR emitter has to be virtually inside the box you're controlling
[15:14:18] Kazan: yeah
[15:14:36] Kazan: DCT2000 you have to put the transmitter right on top the receiver then cover the entire face of the box with tinfoil
[15:14:40] Juski: depends on your serial port I guess. some are really puny
[15:14:57] Kazan: DCt2000 is notorious on tivo forums
[15:15:00] Kazan: it's a real slut
[15:15:05] Juski: lol
[15:15:17] Kazan: likes to accept out-of-band interference, and then it shuts down it's receiver for .5 to 1.5s
[15:15:32] Juski: cheap IR detector then
[15:15:52] Kazan: sometimes fails to respond to input because it's processor is underpowered to decode mpeg2 and listen to a simple interrupt-driven input at the same time
[15:16:25] Juski: most STBs are way underpowered to decode mpeg2 – which is why they use mpeg2 decoder chipsets
[15:16:50] ** Juski points at his NTL STB, with its crappy 200MHZ MIPS **
[15:17:06] Kazan: mythTV got on /. today
[15:17:13] Juski: doesn't help with NTL's shitty middleware on it either
[15:17:22] Juski: rm -rf /.
[15:17:28] armand: not myth itself
[15:17:34] armand: but myth has been on /. many many many times
[15:17:50] Juski: is that like a mark of its l337-ness ?
[15:17:55] stuarta: anyone know how to do a sed like update using SQL?
[15:18:01] Kazan: mediacom's boxes were fine at first
[15:18:15] Kazan: but then they pushed out new software to all of them
[15:18:28] Kazan: and they become slower than shit
[15:18:29] armand: leetofosheeto
[15:18:39] Juski: "stream mythtv to your cellphone". ye gads!
[15:19:09] ** Kazan grumbles, mythtv needs to do routine optimize tables **
[15:19:23] armand: it would be cooler if you could actually control myth from the phone, not just stream random files
[15:19:30] armand: its no different than useing vlc
[15:19:47] armand: except vlc will transcode them on the fly so you dont have to have 2 files or whatever laying around
[15:19:55] Juski: if someone could be arsed to write an app for a smartphone to use mythfrontend's telnet interface...
[15:20:19] armand: thats an idea, but then you'd need a vpn client to get int oyour network
[15:20:22] armand: hehe
[15:20:32] Juski: unless said phone has bluetooth
[15:20:59] Juski: but then – maybe the phone OS wouldn't let you get that deep
[15:21:22] armand: still have to get to your myth box from your phone services internet service, which would mean going over the cloud, which would mean opening your myth box up to the public internet
[15:21:24] armand: including that port
[15:21:38] armand: my security side says OMGBADBBQDIENOWAY
[15:21:41] armand: heh
[15:22:13] Juski: google for mythweb- see how many ppl have their boxen unprotected (suckers)
[15:22:27] armand: i bet
[15:22:37] Juski: enjoy setting up lots of american idol recordings for them
[15:22:44] armand: LOL
[15:23:20] Juski: if they dunno how to at least set up .htaccess it'd be a fair bet they wouldn't know how to find out who borked their box
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[15:24:30] Kazan: i haven't bothered to setup mine yet
[15:24:40] Kazan: but i'm not port 80 to the outside world
[15:25:03] afm: yeah this lircd.conf looks odd....can't seem to find one to nab though
[15:25:23] Kazan: your lircd.conf is fine if irw is setting the buttons
[15:26:17] afm: ok...so its my .lircrc
[15:26:50] Kazan: yes
[15:26:56] Kazan: hence why i asked you to pastebin it
[15:27:38] armand: afm: its probably the button names themselves between lircd.conf and lircrc
[15:27:42] armand: as juski mentioned earlier
[15:28:00] ** Kazan nods in agreement **
[15:29:25] Juski: www.juski.co.uk/eek.bmp – VERY tempting.. very tempting!
[15:29:40] gardengnome: .bmp?!
[15:30:13] Juski: I'm at work
[15:30:37] Juski: 1st hit in google too. unfortunate
[15:31:25] afm: i nabbed this guys lircrc
[15:31:28] afm: http://threebit.net/mail-archive/mythtv-users/msg05684.html
[15:32:54] Juski: gave him a few messages.. http://lifesok.co.uk/mythweb/secure_your_myth . . . MYTH%20USER. if he can be bothered to look in the logs
[15:32:57] Kazan: do the key names match your remote?
[15:34:02] Merlin83b: Heh
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[15:35:33] hashbang: Juski: fill his box up with shopping channel crap.
[15:35:46] Kazan: ha
[15:35:51] hashbang: naughty, but it might make the point.
[15:35:54] Kazan: set it to recipriority 15? :P
[15:35:57] hashbang: illegal, actually.
[15:36:05] hashbang: (in the UK, anyway)
[15:36:15] Kazan: ooh?
[15:36:28] Kazan: how so
[15:36:29] hashbang: computer misuse act
[15:36:29] Kazan: he doesn't have it password protected
[15:36:35] Kazan: well i'm not in the uk
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[15:37:00] hashbang: Kazan: in that case, that's a very interesting legal question. I hope you have the funds to explore it fully. ;-)
[15:37:09] Kazan: haha
[15:37:14] Kazan: someone beat me to the punh
[15:37:17] hashbang: cf. Gary McKinnon
[15:37:23] Kazan: price-drop tv
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[15:38:19] hashbang: "Based on you [leaving your mythweb box insecurely configured]
[15:38:39] hashbang: MythTV has decided to record [a variety] of crap, for your entertainment"
[15:38:52] adante: myth is taking about 20–25 seconds to start/change channels (dvb).. what should I be looking at to try to speed this up?
[15:39:04] ** Kazan sighs **
[15:39:18] ** Kazan really needs to replace the CAT5 attached to his mythbox... fucker is dropping a lot of traffic today **
[15:39:21] hashbang: adante: got 0.19-fixes?
[15:39:29] adante: dma i on, cpu utilisation never goes above 20–30%, i'm hearing a lot of hdd activity, and there's at least 200 meg of ram free
[15:39:45] adante: hashbang: umm.. running a 0.19 gentoo ebuld not surewhich one
[15:39:49] adante: lemm check
[15:39:59] adante: hashbang: was tis a problem with the original 0.19
[15:40:06] hashbang: apparently so
[15:40:25] ** hashbang has never run anything but 0.19-fixes **
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[15:44:23] adante: don't suppose you run gentoo do ya
[15:44:31] hashbang: nope, FC/RH
[15:46:34] afm: my button names match up
[15:46:59] afm: http://geekstuff.no-ip.com/mythtv/lircrc is the new .lircrc file i'm using
[15:47:08] afm: still no controll
[15:47:11] afm: no errors....
[15:47:26] hashbang: ttfn
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[15:48:50] ** Juski hopes afm's mythweb is secured **
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[15:50:36] Juski: just been thinking about it – it's not even as if mythweb could have a default .htaccess with a secured login AFAIK – cos you have to use htpasswd to generate the password. dunno why they bother if it's just plaintext anyway (unless you use https which is a different ballgame)
[15:51:11] Ryushin: For transcoding, what format is RT/JPEG? I know mpeg4, but I don't understand what RT/JPEG is.
[15:51:19] Juski: mjpeg
[15:51:28] Juski: ==motion JPEG
[15:51:43] Juski: slightly modified
[15:52:31] Ryushin: So when I transcode, what uses less processer for playback, mpeg4 or rt/jpeg?
[15:52:41] Juski: you bastards! (you know who you are)
[15:52:45] afm: ehh i'm nat'd behind a firewall...pass or no pass you can't get to it
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[15:53:14] Juski: Ryushin: rtjpeg
[15:55:27] jake1932: anyone know why frontend would drop frames during live tv, but if I rewind a bit and play it looks perfect?
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[15:58:09] Traxtopel: any idea why the program guide is so slow
[15:58:23] stuarta: jake1932: when we find out, we'll fix it...
[15:58:43] jake1932: stuarta: ok – is this a well known issue?
[15:59:23] Juski_lab: I'd say
[15:59:45] Juski_lab: dvb driver takes too long to give a 'lock' signal IIRC
[16:02:03] stuarta: Juski: dvb driver taking too long is the cause for what? not jake1392's problem
[16:02:43] Juski_lab: ah pardon me
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[16:07:40] Kazan: Traxtopel: /msg me your hardware specs
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[16:15:25] ** afm gets wicked fustrated **
[16:17:18] Kazan: hmm
[16:17:25] Kazan: have you restarted lirc without restarting frontend?
[16:17:55] afm: i've killed frontend...restarted lircd and fired up frontend
[16:18:46] Kazan: k
[16:18:50] Kazan: hrm
[16:18:52] armand: afm:
[16:18:57] armand: chris@argos ~ $ grep -i guide /etc/lircd.conf
[16:18:57] armand: Guide 0x000000000000179B
[16:19:00] armand: chris@argos ~ $ grep -i guide /home/chris/.mythtv/lircrc
[16:19:00] armand: button = Guide
[16:19:06] armand: similar things for you right?
[16:19:20] Kazan: you sure you compiled mythtv with lirc?
[16:19:26] armand: kazan: he ldd'd it
[16:19:30] Kazan: oh
[16:19:30] armand: its goods.
[16:19:30] Kazan: k
[16:19:32] Kazan: missed that
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[16:19:42] Kazan: post your lircd.conf too pls
[16:20:15] afm: root@funbox:/home/mythtv/.mythtv# grep -i guide /etc/lircd.conf
[16:20:16] afm: Guide 0x00007bd9
[16:20:27] Kazan: ooh.. i need to setup my mplayer
[16:20:41] Kazan: ok that looks fine afm
[16:20:46] Kazan: weirdness
[16:20:50] armand: afm: you didnt mix case or anything right, for your arrows and such
[16:21:07] Kazan: nope armand
[16:21:09] Kazan: button = Guide
[16:21:12] Kazan: he posted is lircrc
[16:21:18] Kazan: http://geekstuff.no-ip.com/mythtv/lircrc
[16:21:34] afm: ldd `which mythfrontend` |grep lirc
[16:21:35] afm: liblirc_client.so.0 => /usr/local/lib/liblirc_client.so.0 (0xb5f65000)
[16:21:46] afm: yeah thats my lircrc i'm using
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[16:22:19] bigslam: anyone using MythTV with a DVB card?
[16:22:27] armand: cna you post your lircd.conf somewhere
[16:22:37] Juski_lab: bigslam: not just one but two
[16:22:55] Juski_lab: as are lots of others here. now onto the question
[16:23:42] bigslam: ahh ok im running kernel 2.6 I think. so it already has the patch right all i need todo now is install the fw?
[16:23:59] afm: http://pastebin.ca/56600
[16:24:23] bigslam: the linuxtv-dvb-1.1.1
[16:24:26] Juski_lab: bigslam: not all dvb cards need firmware. do you mean an air2pc card or something?
[16:24:50] armand: afm: when you use irw, it all your buttons work you said, right? up/down/left/right/b/a/start
[16:24:51] armand: heh
[16:25:06] bigslam: well i have a Nexus-S DVB-S card and im trying to get it working under mythtv
[16:25:07] afm: yup
[16:25:35] armand: hrm.
[16:25:44] Juski_lab: bigslam: I've no idea if the nexus-s card needs firmware – see if you can find a howto for it. what do the linuxtv.org docs say?
[16:26:11] afm: tv power button actually doesn't work....
[16:26:12] bigslam: ok i will go and check
[16:26:31] afm: that doesn't 100% match my remote, but all the buttons mapped correctly
[16:26:35] Kazan: do you know which revision it is bigslam
[16:26:42] armand: i have to make a phonecall, brb
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[16:27:13] bigslam: 2.2 i think
[16:27:41] Juski_lab: general OT question.. when you do a Write Multiple Extended in ATA stuff, is there a limit to the block count?
[16:27:56] Kazan: the 2.2 needs firmware
[16:28:05] Kazan: http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-S_ff_rev2.2
[16:28:12] bigslam: i will check and see to make sure
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[16:28:45] bigslam: yes i have 2.2 ok
[16:29:47] armand: ok lets see. your lircd.conf looks fine as far as i can tell, and your lircrc looks fine as well. are you running mythfrontend as the mythtv user or as root/another user?
[16:30:34] afm: mythtv
[16:31:09] Kazan: bigslam: well the link has all the info i know
[16:31:14] ** Kazan is in the states **
[16:31:21] armand: hrm, not sure what could be wrong at this point
[16:31:51] afm: root@funbox:/home/mythtv/.mythtv# ps auwx | grep lirc
[16:31:52] afm: root 5974 0.0 0.0 1652 412 ? Ss 11:45 0:00 /usr/local/sbin/lircd --device=/dev/lirc
[16:32:09] armand: if irw works then lircd is golden
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[16:36:45] afm: root@funbox:~# lsmod | grep lir
[16:36:45] afm: lirc_mceusb2 11524 0
[16:36:46] afm: lirc_dev 15108 1 lirc_mceusb2
[16:37:26] kormoc: afm, ooh! mceusb2 user! By chance, do you have to press the buttons twice every once in a while to get input?
[16:38:03] afm: no
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[16:38:14] jams: are you running irw as the mythtv user?
[16:38:21] kormoc: afm, ooh! can you send me your lirc config for the remote?
[16:38:25] jams: i'm thinking maybe it's permissions on /dev/lirc
[16:38:58] afm: running as root
[16:38:58] jams: do the frontend logs show it's connecting to lircd?
[16:38:58] afm: mythtv@funbox:~$ irw
[16:38:59] bigslam: How do I find out what my kernel dir is?
[16:39:02] afm: connect: Permission denied
[16:39:03] bigslam: im running slackware distro
[16:39:34] Juski_lab: oh dear. this seagate drive in PIOmode4, gets the 1st 4k of a write multi just fine, flicks the INT line... then gets the2nd 4k.. and forgets to give an INT. fuck
[16:39:36] afm: mythtv@funbox:~$ ls -al /dev/lirc
[16:39:37] afm: crw-r--r-- 1 root root 61, 0 May 16 23:06 /dev/lirc
[16:39:46] Juski_lab: stupid PIO crap
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[16:40:28] frederikfdvp: hi
[16:40:35] Juski_lab: we wait for the IRQ, drive waits for data.. stalemate
[16:40:54] afm: dont have any frontend logs...just backend
[16:41:16] jams: afm- think that might be, change the permissions on lircd and lirc to be rw by the mythtv user
[16:41:25] jams: or run mythfrontend as root :)
[16:41:57] frederikfdvp: yesterday i recorded a movie , i want to copy that movie to another pc , but in /mnt/store are files named with numbers , is it possible to change it so the files are named after the recordings
[16:42:04] afm: ./dev/lirc or /usr/local/sbin
[16:42:23] Kazan: Juski: youch
[16:42:33] Kazan: Juski: what do you do?
[16:42:37] jams: afm the /dev devices
[16:43:01] Kazan: frederikfdvp: mythTV does all storage using chanID, date, starttime
[16:43:08] Kazan: frederikfdvp: and then stores the rest of the inforamtion in the database
[16:43:17] Kazan: frederikfdvp: when you copy the file away you can rename it as you see fit
[16:43:39] Kazan: frederikfdvp: but unless it's mpeg2/mpeg4 straight off an input source it's in .nuv and will only be understood by mythTV
[16:43:42] frederikfdvp: but there are many files in there
[16:43:59] frederikfdvp: i transcode al my recordings
[16:44:26] frederikfdvp: so i need to playback all of the files in there to see which file i need to copyy
[16:44:34] afm: jams!!!!
[16:44:37] afm: thanks
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[16:46:57] Juski_lab: Kazan: cctv dvr
[16:47:28] Juski_lab: looking fwd to speaking to Seagate tomorrow ;-)
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[16:50:49] jams: afm guess that was it :)
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[16:50:59] Kazan: Juski: cctv dvr?
[16:51:04] Kazan: Juski: not familiar with "CCTV"
[16:51:12] Juski: security cameras
[16:51:17] Kazan: oh..
[16:51:19] Kazan: closed circuit
[16:51:20] Kazan: gotcha
[16:51:25] Kazan: i just plugged it into google
[16:51:45] Juski: damn hdd manufacturers don't stick to the t13.org specs very hard
[16:51:50] Kazan: heh
[16:52:01] Juski: god help us with sata
[16:52:12] Kazan: you expected HDD manufacturers not to be dicks?
[16:52:14] Kazan: are you nuts?
[16:52:16] Juski: lol
[16:52:35] Juski: I can follow PATA alright – but the SATA protocol scares me silly
[16:52:41] Kazan: they're the ones that violated powers-of-two being the basic storage unit in computing
[16:52:58] Kazan: and then tried to make alternative names for the proper power-of-two measurements
[16:53:16] ** Kazan feels dirty just thinking of the ?ibbi* definitions **
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[16:53:44] Juski: look – this new disk is 50^10000 madeupbytes
[16:53:54] Kazan: yup
[16:54:01] Kazan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibibyte
[16:54:28] ** Kazan sticks to 2^(x * 10) **
[16:55:41] Juski: I think it's more to do with SI definitions of orders of magnitude – but a good excuse to confuse customers all the same
[16:56:23] Kazan: they try copping it off on that
[16:56:41] Kazan: but SI is powers of 10 because humans use power of 10
[16:56:54] bigslam: how do i check and see if my system already has the driver setup?
[16:57:02] Kazan: SI for computer should be powers of base 2 because computers are base 2
[16:57:10] Kazan: bigslam: for the Nexus-S?
[16:57:10] Juski: ls /dev |grep dvb
[16:57:14] bigslam: yes
[16:57:36] Juski: try the dvb-utils from linuxtv.org too
[16:57:47] Juski: a good idea anyway, btw
[16:58:03] bigslam: :)
[16:58:59] Kazan: oh... juski
[16:59:11] Kazan: SI uses base2
[16:59:13] Kazan: for computers
[16:59:22] Juski: lol figures
[16:59:28] Kazan: right in the article on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibibyte
[16:59:48] Kazan: *ibishit is from IEC
[17:00:18] Juski: there are more important things to get wound up about. like DRM / world poverty etc
[17:01:40] Kazan: the chart is screwed up
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[17:24:02] Darthy: what would you recommend? the via epia m10000 or the via epia m6000 for mythtv-frontend/dvb ?
[17:24:13] Juski: m10000
[17:24:24] Juski: (being an owner of one)
[17:24:31] Darthy: is m6000 too slow?
[17:24:40] Juski: possibly
[17:24:44] Darthy: i just need it for frontend
[17:24:49] Juski: m10k is fast enough, for sure
[17:24:54] Juski: bet safe
[17:24:55] hashbang: Darthy: FYI, my myth BE/FE is a Celeron 1.7 w/512M RAM.
[17:24:56] Darthy: hm..k.
[17:25:11] Darthy: but its active cooled
[17:25:20] Darthy: and the m6000 is passively cooled
[17:25:21] Pickler: hi there, has anyone had luck or problems with installing/compiling mythtv on the new SUSE10.1?
[17:25:22] hashbang: Darthy: that handles 2 SD DVB-T tuners. Oh, it has an nVidia 440MX.
[17:25:22] Juski: Darthy: if you ever want to play back stuff that's non-mpeg2 you could run into trouble
[17:25:40] Juski: (on the 600mhz board)
[17:25:48] Darthy: ah.. ok.. good point!
[17:25:54] Darthy: ill take the m10k!
[17:25:59] Darthy: thanx
[17:26:03] Juski: it's easy to silence the m10k anyway
[17:26:23] Juski: either change the fan for a quieter one, or swap the HSF for a large heatsink like I did
[17:26:39] Juski: Zalman northbridge coolers fit it very nicely
[17:26:58] Darthy: while we are at it. whats a good itx-case and whats a good low-noise dvd-rom ?
[17:27:15] Darthy: ahh.. k
[17:27:26] Darthy: so youre m10k is passive now !
[17:27:32] Darthy: nice
[17:27:47] Juski: and – consider this: : http://www.tranquilpc.co.uk/
[17:28:05] Darthy: what case do you have ?
[17:28:11] Kazan: would a sempron 2500+ have enough beef to do HDTV with an nvidia board?
[17:28:22] Juski: silverstone lc02 but it's awful
[17:28:23] Kazan: or a DeltaChrome (which has xvmc)
[17:28:37] Darthy: i like the lc06
[17:28:53] Darthy: but i think it wont be manufactured anymore
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[17:29:22] Juski: Kazan: 1080 might push it a bit, but according to the air2pc website you can get by with 1.8GHz using XvMC (nvidia, intel or via IIRC)
[17:29:22] a1fa: i hate bush
[17:29:31] a1fa: damn bastard's speech made me miss last 20 minutes of
[17:29:32] Darthy: i want a case with real 5 1/4" slot for a real (not slimline) dvdrom
[17:29:37] a1fa: PRISON BREAK
[17:29:40] a1fa: that stupid fuck
[17:29:40] Juski: a1fa: you're gay? or do you just like brazillian jobs?
[17:29:54] a1fa: Juski : yes, thats it.. you got me
[17:30:00] Juski: ;-)
[17:30:03] a1fa: i didnt have time to watch prison break until last night
[17:30:08] a1fa: i was so pissed when i saw
[17:30:14] a1fa: that bush's address took 20minutes
[17:30:26] Juski: a1fa: so you didn't see the announcement on the users list then?
[17:30:27] armand: mine recorded fine, it started 20minutes later
[17:30:31] armand: though i was watching it live
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[17:31:27] Juski: hometime (yay!)
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[17:33:33] a1fa: i was so fucking pissed off
[17:33:42] armand: was a good episode too :)
[17:33:44] frederikfdvp: does anyone know a plugin for mythtv to burn a recorded program on dvd ?
[17:34:04] armand: mythburn
[17:34:28] a1fa: yeah
[17:34:31] a1fa: the episode was ok
[17:34:40] a1fa: now i have to wait god knows how many munts
[17:34:45] a1fa: to see them get detained
[17:34:57] a1fa: they will be in that forest for the next season
[17:35:11] a1fa: or they will cancel the show
[17:35:18] a1fa: i love that crazy fuck
[17:35:24] a1fa: Haywire
[17:35:32] a1fa: great actir
[17:35:40] a1fa: great actor
[17:36:31] a1fa: lost comes on tonight
[17:37:09] a1fa: something is wrong with zap2it
[17:37:19] a1fa: or mythweb
[17:37:22] Traxtopel: the config .mythtv/lircrc "button" should match what I have named in /etc/lircd.conf would that be right?
[17:37:24] a1fa: i only have listings
[17:37:28] a1fa: up to this sunday
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[17:39:06] a1fa: There's guide data until 2006-05–21 05:00 (4 days).
[17:39:07] a1fa: DataDirect Status: Your subscription expires on 05/08/2006 01:02:16 AM
[17:39:15] mostr: I have an old tuner listed in my box. I'm not sure how to remove it. It was a tuner I had in a sbe. I ran the mythtv-setup on the mbe but I don't see where I can remove it.
[17:40:08] mostr: and I've since formatted the sbe and turned it in to a remote frontend only.
[17:41:01] mostr: There's guide data until 2006-05–31 01:15 (14 days).
[17:41:01] mostr: DataDirect Status: Your subscription expires on 07/18/06 20:44:31
[17:41:14] mostr: mine is okay. maybe run mythfill manually?
[17:41:19] a1fa: i did
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[17:43:59] a1fa: ok
[17:44:00] a1fa: wtf
[17:44:10] a1fa: i only have 4 days of subscription
[17:44:31] kormoc: afm, so... Would you mind sharing your lirc config for the mceusb2 remote?
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[17:46:54] a1fa: ok
[17:46:56] a1fa: this is fucked upo
[17:47:01] a1fa: how do you tell mythfilldatabase
[17:47:04] a1fa: to start over?
[17:47:18] mostr: alfa: does your subscription expire on May 8, or Aug 5?
[17:47:54] a1fa: --refresh all
[17:47:57] a1fa: i dont know
[17:48:00] a1fa: it expires in august now
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[17:48:22] a1fa: tehere is a bug in mythweb
[17:48:23] a1fa: DataDirect Status: Your subscription expires on 05/08/2006 01:02:16 AM
[17:48:31] a1fa: reports wrong expiry date
[17:48:35] kormoc: you sure?
[17:48:46] a1fa: yes
[17:48:55] a1fa: i just renewed my subscriptio
[17:48:58] kormoc: did you make sure it's not cached?
[17:49:16] a1fa: mythweb>?
[17:49:21] kormoc: yes, that page
[17:49:24] a1fa: yes, i used telnet
[17:49:36] ** kormoc raises an eyebrow **
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[17:49:41] kormoc: what GET string did you give it?
[17:49:55] a1fa: GET /mythweb/status
[17:50:25] a1fa: who uses a web browser anyway?
[17:50:29] a1fa: wtf is a web browser?
[17:50:31] a1fa: anyway
[17:50:35] a1fa: i need to look inside my mysql
[17:50:47] kormoc: so you ran mythfilldatabase --refersh all and it's reporting the wrong date eh?
[17:51:57] a1fa: yes
[17:52:00] a1fa: i used refresh
[17:52:21] a1fa: its grabbing all this data
[17:52:30] kormoc: Well, then it's likely just zap2it is giving you a cached version of the data including your expire date
[17:52:33] a1fa: 2006-05–17 12:52:21.123 DataDirect: BlockedTime is: 2006-05–17T12:52:21
[17:52:33] a1fa: 2006-05–17 12:52:21.123 DataDirect: NextSuggestedTime is: 2006-05–18T20:34:03
[17:52:43] kormoc: cause that comes directly from zap2it from that data feed
[17:52:57] kormoc: and if it was a mythweb bug, it would just be a invalid date, not your old one
[17:53:30] a1fa: http://localhost:8080/mythweb/tv/list?hour=12&date=20060521
[17:53:33] a1fa: reports NODATA
[17:53:51] kormoc: sure
[17:54:01] kormoc: zap2it only updates your listings once a day
[17:54:01] a1fa: i need to check what username i'm using for zap2it
[17:54:06] a1fa: cos i have two
[17:54:08] a1fa: yeah
[17:54:12] Darthy: what would you revommend as dvdrom.. it should be low noise and setable to "one-time-speed"
[17:54:13] a1fa: but you should be able to have for monday
[17:57:41] mostr: I think I had that problem when I renewed my zap2it subscription. It took a couple of days to get back up to 14.
[17:58:02] mostr: and I didn't worry about it as I was still over 7.
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[17:59:02] Zider: Darthy: I think most dvdroms can be set to 1x read
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[18:00:19] maniacxs: does one of the mythtv buildin applications update recorded.filesize?
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[18:06:47] janneg: maniacxs: mythtranscode? let me check
[18:07:10] maniacxs: mythcommflag does not
[18:09:20] janneg: why should it? it does not change the filesize. mythtranscode updates the filesize.
[18:09:41] sapbeast: dvd-rom speed options are software, but most rpc2 drives are limited to 2x read on movies anyways
[18:10:08] kormoc: 2x really is a good idea, so it doesn't skip on non perfect discs
[18:11:37] psofa: and it isnt that noisy
[18:12:52] ** xris wants to know who has the working mceusb2 remote and isn't sharing the config file. **
[18:12:57] maniacxs: janneg: thanks
[18:13:37] afm: xris my mceusb2 remotes working now
[18:14:03] kormoc: afm, so care to share the config file? :)
[18:14:11] afm: which one
[18:14:17] afm: etc or ~/mythtv
[18:14:21] kormoc: afm, etc
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[18:15:31] afm: http://pastebin.ca/56631
[18:16:21] afm: its the one that came with lirc source
[18:16:23] afm: lirc-0.8.0/remotes/mceusb/lircd.conf.mceusb
[18:16:37] xris: afm: so you just used the one that came with lirc?
[18:17:01] ** xris wonders if he should trout kormoc for not checking there **
[18:17:12] kormoc: that's the one I'm using...
[18:17:24] xris: kormoc: could be something funky in your lirc compile
[18:17:29] kormoc: perhaps
[18:17:36] kormoc: but why would it just affect that single remote?
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[18:17:50] xris: could be something funky in the remote/receiver, too
[18:17:52] kormoc: using one of the other generic remots I have do not require double presses
[18:17:58] kormoc: using the same receiver
[18:18:13] xris: the mceusb2 receiver works with other remotes?
[18:18:18] kormoc: yeah
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[18:18:25] xris: hmm... didn't know that. that's cool
[18:18:25] kormoc: it picks them up just fine
[18:18:40] kormoc: least, irw does
[18:18:49] kormoc: I didn't actually program the remote in
[18:20:01] xris: afm: thanks for the info..
[18:20:14] xris: kormoc: guess I'll have to put some time into actually setting mine up.
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[18:22:37] mythic: hi, my pvr-500 is recording sound for scheduled recordings. In fact, when one starts, it seems to completely disable the sound for the card's input and ivtvctl -d <device> -q1 won't start it up again. Sometimes even, during a recording session, the backend locks up and 'service mythbackend stop' makes it defunct. But it's only with mythtv. cat'ing and mplayer work fine... Can anyone help?
[18:22:54] mythic: hehe... not recording sound
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[18:23:42] mostr: what version of ivtv?
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[18:24:18] mythic: mostr: 0.4.4
[18:25:14] mostr: I had a similar issue with an older version of ivtv
[18:25:21] bigslam: hmm
[18:25:28] mostr: but when I upgraded, it then worked.
[18:25:29] bigslam: how do i tell what kenel im usig?
[18:25:39] bigslam: kernel
[18:25:40] mostr: bigslam: uname -a
[18:26:01] bigslam: umm 2.4
[18:26:26] bigslam: any howtos for building my own kernel for slackware
[18:27:15] mostr: bigslam: dunno. I use fedora for my mythbox.
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[18:28:25] mythic: mostr: I've tried upgrading to 0.4.5, but I get errors when I run make. Do you know what mythtv is doing behind the scenes during a record that might trigger this behavior?
[18:29:06] mostr: mythic: no, I'm pretty new and I don't know much about that sort of thing. I checked my box and I have FC4 and my version of ivtv is 0.4.3.
[18:29:18] mostr: well new to mythtv.
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[18:30:10] mythic: thanks for the response ;)
[18:32:34] Kazan: WTF!
[18:32:42] Kazan: recordings on encoder 2 are failing to start!
[18:32:42] Kazan: wtf!
[18:33:49] mostr: hehe
[18:34:06] mostr: record american idol for the wife on encoder 2
[18:34:15] Kazan: heh
[18:34:25] Kazan: it just failed to record one of my soccer matches
[18:34:58] mostr: OI! that's no good.
[18:35:02] Kazan: scheduler just drops them
[18:35:04] mostr: world cup starts soon
[18:35:07] Kazan: aye
[18:35:13] Kazan: started happening this morning after the system hung
[18:35:15] Juski: haha. mythtv has taste then :-P
[18:35:28] Kazan: WHAT THE FUCK
[18:35:33] Kazan: i just lost contact
[18:35:44] Juski: sounds bad.. v.v. bad
[18:36:08] mostr: what kind of an encoder is it?
[18:36:14] Kazan: first head of a PVR500
[18:36:18] Kazan: i just lost contact with the box
[18:36:21] Kazan: it was doing that this morning
[18:36:24] Kazan: i wonder if it';s getting hot
[18:36:37] Kazan: i think so
[18:36:57] Juski: it's hard to hear fan fail beeps when you're miles away, I'll grant you that
[18:37:23] Kazan: heh
[18:37:28] Kazan: no i don't think the fans are FAILING
[18:37:31] Kazan: but it's 78 degrees
[18:37:43] psofa: lol
[18:37:45] Juski: Kazan: 2nd tuner dropping out... could be an ivtv issue
[18:37:57] Juski: what's that in Celcius?
[18:38:03] Kazan: PVR-500, BT878, Sempron 2500+, dual 80GB storage harddrives, 15GB system drive.. etc
[18:38:11] mostr: 78 degrees celcius
[18:38:16] Kazan: fahrenheit
[18:38:21] Kazan: outside temperature
[18:38:23] mostr: thats cold
[18:38:39] mostr: thats like 24
[18:38:43] Juski: if it's 78'C, time to dig out that heat suit
[18:38:52] Kazan: that's 25C i think
[18:38:57] mostr: I thought you meant the thermal temp in the computer was 78
[18:39:02] Kazan: no
[18:39:03] Juski: about room temp... not bad
[18:39:11] Kazan: ambient temperature is 25C right now
[18:39:16] Kazan: and that thing pumps a lot of heat
[18:39:16] psofa: 21C here
[18:39:20] Kazan: probably need to turn on the AC
[18:39:24] Zider: my cpu is around 70c now :P
[18:39:35] psofa: Kazan, then you will freeze
[18:39:42] Kazan: just lost all contact with the system
[18:39:49] ** Kazan sighs **
[18:40:04] Kazan: oh PS juski – Encoder 2 is the first head of my PVR500
[18:40:10] Kazan: Encoder 1 = bttv that slaves the cable box
[18:40:12] sapbeast: my system hardly ever gets above 42C
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[18:40:39] Kazan: it's probably my harddrives that are getting too hot
[18:41:04] mostr: I don't think so
[18:41:11] mostr: I have 5 drives in my machine
[18:41:23] mostr: with a 350 and a 250
[18:42:24] armand: what filesystem do you guys use?
[18:42:36] mostr: I have LVM on with XFS
[18:42:37] sapbeast: the standard "max" operating temp for most drives is 45C, and 55C is the critical temp
[18:42:44] Kazan: i have LVM with ext3
[18:43:00] Kazan: those two drives have made the case above them too hot to touch before
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[18:43:01] armand: kazan: any io problems while deleting recording then simultaneously trying to watch one?
[18:43:06] Kazan: they're WD 80GBs
[18:43:12] Kazan: armand: don't know
[18:43:21] Kazan: armand: problems cropped up today while i've been at work
[18:43:38] Kazan: system displaying connectivity/responsiveness issues to the network, and then hardlocking
[18:43:40] mostr: they say that ext3 is slow at deleting large files. that's why to use xfs or jfs or reiser
[18:43:53] armand: xfs and jfs are much better at handling large files
[18:44:03] armand: this problem though, didnt happen until .19
[18:44:03] Kazan: a recording on the 1st head of my PVR500 failed to restart on reboot for the hardlock (my fiancee came across it) and then it failed to start another recording on that same encoder
[18:44:05] mostr: xfs doens't shrink though
[18:44:06] Kazan: while recording on the other
[18:44:13] sapbeast: mythtv reccomends not to use reiserfs i think
[18:44:18] Kazan: ext3 isn't slow at deleting large files
[18:44:23] Kazan: i haven't had problems with it
[18:44:28] armand: ext3 is inefficient with large files
[18:44:34] Kazan: i haven't had any fs problems
[18:44:49] sapbeast: well there is a big warning on thier site to avoid reiserfs if possible, not saying it wont work
[18:44:50] Kazan: this is the hottest day thus far this year
[18:45:05] armand: it appears to be an io bottleneck, myth will top out at 2000–2500 blocks/sec whereas the drive can handle 9000/blocks sec
[18:45:07] Kazan: and it's disoplaying symptoms that can be heat related
[18:45:25] mostr: tell the financee to fire up the AC
[18:45:28] sapbeast: well do you have fans on your drives
[18:45:35] sapbeast: or some sort of cooling? even passive?
[18:45:38] onetwo: I'm running reiserfs for 6 months now with no problems
[18:45:48] Kazan: MB temperature in my desktop is 40C
[18:45:58] Kazan: and i would put money on the mythbox being atleast 10C hotter
[18:46:03] sapbeast: your MB isnt your hard drive either
[18:46:42] sapbeast: some more modern drives you can report the internal temperature with ide smartmontools
[18:46:56] sapbeast: if its getting up to 50C or above, worry
[18:47:21] Kazan: i'm VNCed into my desktop so i can ssh to my mythbox
[18:47:24] Kazan: mythbox won't answer
[18:47:47] sapbeast: all about the quality of the case you use
[18:47:53] Kazan: recorded programs has an entry for the recording that was supposed to start, but no size
[18:48:02] Kazan: it's a standard full size desktop case
[18:48:14] sapbeast: yeah but how good is the ventilation...
[18:48:20] Kazan: probably pretty shitty
[18:48:24] Kazan: which is the problem
[18:48:27] Kazan: it's fine when it's cooler
[18:48:28] sapbeast: you dont need 10 fans either
[18:48:32] Kazan: i don't have 10 fans in it
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[18:49:02] sapbeast: my mythox is overclocked, but there are only 2 fans taking air in/out... and it maintains ~40C inside or less
[18:49:18] Kazan: i have.... CPU, PSU has two that switch on-demand (internal thermistors), two fans pulling in through a dust filter in a 5.25" bay, one main case fan, a puller in the back
[18:49:52] Kazan: if it's 78F ambient air temperature at the airport it's probably between 80 and 83 at my house, and 85ish inside
[18:50:18] sapbeast: unfortunately if you dont have access to a decent digital thermometer or such bay device, determining component heat is tricky
[18:50:28] Kazan: aye
[18:50:45] Kazan: i don't have lvm sensors setup, but that would require it to respond to SSH
[18:50:48] Kazan: which it isn't doing right now
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[18:51:04] sapbeast: well i have an old digital doc (remember those?) and some other stuff, however its not alawys hooked up
[18:51:22] sapbeast: i just attach a probe if need be, everything is usually fine anyways because of the case design
[18:51:40] Kazan: not familiar with digital doc
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[18:52:03] Kazan: w00t
[18:52:09] Kazan: i'm glad i installed telnetd
[18:52:15] Kazan: it answered it when it wouldn't answer ssh
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[18:55:16] bigslam: http://pastebin.com/723157
[18:55:22] bigslam: what seems to be the problem
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[18:56:40] bigslam: trying to "make" my kernel
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[19:05:53] mostr: kazan: where do you live that it's so hot in your house?
[19:07:20] a1fa: Kazan : africa
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[19:08:32] Kazan: iowa
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[19:08:36] Kazan: i have a split level
[19:08:42] Kazan: living room is down stairs
[19:08:46] Kazan: and it doesn't have enough windows
[19:09:07] a1fa: dude
[19:09:09] a1fa: iowa sucks
[19:09:13] a1fa: i spent a month there
[19:09:18] a1fa: the weather is terrible
[19:09:32] mostr: I don't have to worry about cooling as I'm in Canada.
[19:09:48] armand: you just have to worry about getting some skin color up there hehe
[19:10:19] mostr: I sleep in the greenhouse to get colour
[19:10:19] mostr: hehe
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[19:12:36] sapbeast: that sounds how my room is, if i dont take care it gets up to 90F easily
[19:12:55] sapbeast: although the only time i ever have problem is if im playing games on my games pc, the video card overheats and crashes
[19:13:04] sapbeast: the other two systems still operate fine
[19:14:01] a1fa: dude
[19:14:02] a1fa: wtf
[19:14:10] a1fa: i keep my house @ 70F
[19:14:13] a1fa: and its hot sometimes
[19:14:16] a1fa: you cheap bastards
[19:14:30] mostr: I keep mine on 19 celcius
[19:14:36] mostr: and 21 in the winter
[19:16:02] Kazan: a1fa: we hadn't turned the central air on
[19:18:49] sapbeast: not cheap bastards
[19:18:57] ivor: oooh press-n-peel is magic.
[19:18:59] sapbeast: the a/c just plain blows (and not in teh cold sense)
[19:19:21] sapbeast: it can be 72 downstairs and 80 upstairs... the zoned air doesnt always work well
[19:20:09] sapbeast: id love to have an in the window type unit but the homeowners acc wont allow it, id have to get one that sits on the floor and has those tubes that fit in the window sill
[19:20:16] sapbeast: and those are like $600
[19:24:41] mostr: can anyone give me a hand setting up mythburn on FC4? I need to start archiving off some shows.
[19:25:48] Kazan: why the fuck isn't lm sensors showing my motherboard's chip
[19:25:53] Kazan: i2c-viapro is loaded
[19:26:05] Kazan: sesors just shows shit off my bttv and ivtv cards
[19:26:08] Kazan: sensors*
[19:26:38] sapbeast: i have the same issue, i cant remember why
[19:26:46] sapbeast: the board has an asb100 type chip but reports nothing
[19:28:05] Kazan: sensors-detect found mine
[19:28:12] Kazan: and told me what to put into modprobe.conf and rc.local
[19:28:17] Kazan: but sensors doesn't list the chip
[19:28:43] bigslam: http://pastebin.com/723157
[19:29:01] bigslam: what seems to be the problem
[19:29:07] bigslam: when i compile my kernel
[19:29:19] Kazan: my mythbox is being very unstable
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[19:32:46] Kazan: i2cdetect sees it
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[19:36:11] SlicerDicer-: kormoc: did you see this? http://www.torrentocracy.com/blog/archives/20 . . . ytht_1.shtml
[19:38:32] Kazan: sensors sees everything on i2c busses 1 2 and 3 but not bus 0
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[19:46:16] Juski: SlicerDicer- I saw that today. pointless IMHO
[19:46:30] SlicerDicer-: Juski: bah
[19:46:36] SlicerDicer-: its cool in its own way
[19:46:50] SlicerDicer-: if you have a EVDO or 3G phone
[19:46:57] Juski: kind of, except for the fact 3g is so damn expensive to use
[19:47:03] SlicerDicer-: aye
[19:47:11] Juski: very cool if you get cheap or free 3g b/w
[19:47:15] SlicerDicer-: Juski: and 3G coverage is shit too
[19:47:34] Juski: fair play though – kudos to the guy for achieving it :)
[19:47:35] SlicerDicer-: I mean my 3G phone works everywhere in seattle area but 5 miles from my house it cuts off
[19:47:42] SlicerDicer-: aye
[19:49:28] Juski: bloody ubuntu starting up in 640x480 habitually again, despite my xorg.conf... just restarted gdm and now it's fine :-/
[19:49:50] gardengnome: you'd better check those X logs
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[19:51:54] Juski: checked. no problems
[19:52:16] ivor: hmm wonder if plastic 'diesel' gloves are acid proof.
[19:52:38] Juski: ivor: maybe for a short time ;)
[19:53:02] Juski: what kind of acid anyway?
[19:53:16] gardengnome: lsd?
[19:53:33] Juski: latex would protect better than polythene I think, for acid anyway
[19:53:46] ivor: Juski: ferric chlorids
[19:53:49] ivor: ide
[19:54:01] Juski: should be fine ivor
[19:54:03] mostr: it might be better to just not spill it on your hands
[19:54:07] ivor: I think I'll find some marigolds
[19:54:15] Juski: oooo! ;)
[19:54:36] ivor: bit hard to get the board out of the acid bath without touching it. :)
[19:54:40] Juski: sure fire way to piss off the other half... make sure to stain the kitchen sink too
[19:54:40] mostr: no taker on mythburn eh?
[19:55:00] Juski: mythburn + ferric chloride... that might just work
[19:55:06] mostr: juski: lmao that should get you out of pink work for a week
[19:55:18] Juski: at least a week
[19:55:32] gardengnome: pink work?
[19:55:34] mostr: mothers day came and went
[19:55:41] mostr: the rest of the year off
[19:55:56] Juski: I have ubuntu to keep me out of 'pink work', if what I think he means is ....
[19:56:30] mostr: I wish ubuntu would get me out of pink work
[19:56:38] mostr: I'd run it just for that
[19:57:10] mostr: gardengnome: dishes, laundry, vaccuuming.... ...... ....
[19:57:26] gardengnome: ah.
[19:57:34] Juski: now if we're talking about 'pink work' meaning conjugal duties... I have my personality to deal with that
[19:57:52] Juski: easier to blame work though
[19:59:29] Juski: hmm... what's tsc-calibrate.c in the contrib directory?
[19:59:58] gardengnome: UTSL :)
[20:01:10] Juski: tsc filter benchmarking... still none the wiser
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[20:04:59] Juski: right. I know init scripts are supposed to live in the contrib dir... I've told many people that's where they live. fine. I copied etc.rc.d.init.d.mythbackend to /etc/init.d/mythbackend and ummm.. it's not worky
[20:06:22] laga: if you had rolled your own packages with marillat's diff, you would have an init script now ;)
[20:06:37] laga: or whoever has good packages for ubuntu
[20:07:03] Juski: I dunno
[20:07:23] octan: can some one helpe me a bit..im trying to get my pvr 500 card to work..but for some reason something is verry strange.. ivtv-tune -f 175.250 -d /dev/video0 detects a channel.. as it should.. but however when i try to mplayer /dev/video0 nothing happens..same when i try to use mythtv-setup to detect channel.. it does not detect anything.. i see all this stuff from dmesg [4294740.037000] cx25840 3–0044: 1x1 is not a valid size! .i mean alot of it.. thi
[20:07:36] laga: Juski: make sure the path to mythbackend in there is correct
[20:07:37] Juski: the state of this distro is just terrible. I mean I'm expecting to go in, not read any fucking docs & here I am having to read docs. it's not on!  :-P
[20:08:22] laga: heh
[20:08:28] laga: complain to shuttlesworth
[20:08:39] laga: i wonder if he'll answer "we don't support third party software" :P
[20:09:31] Juski: laga: did you see the post from the guy whose ivtv didn't work? he ignored the howto & found it didn't work. amazing
[20:09:44] octan: lsmod | grep ivtv look good..
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[20:10:06] octan: <Juski> wot howto?
[20:10:17] laga: Juski: wow. poor guy :/ did ask for his adress to give him free hands-on support?
[20:10:25] laga: octan: rotfl
[20:10:36] laga: s/ask/you ask/
[20:10:59] Juski: "but I put "tv tuner card not worky" into google !!"
[20:11:01] octan: oh topic :P
[20:11:35] Juski: I need classes to stop me being such a sanctimonious c***
[20:11:48] laga: Juski: classes for homicidial maniacs?
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[20:12:15] Juski: linux did this to me! I was nice before, honest
[20:12:34] laga: no, you were not
[20:12:45] laga: i know those recordings from your clubbing nights
[20:12:52] Juski: oh, some kind guy has a proper umbongo init script. I'll use that
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[20:15:31] scopeuk: guy i think i resolved my mythweb crashingbrowser trick wit ha browser update
[20:15:38] scopeuk: although it hasent been "fullytested" yet
[20:17:19] Juski: prescaling theme images while compiling... oops this may take a while
[20:18:47] octan: heh.. i feel ashame.. i forgot to put alias char-major-81–0 ivtv in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases :P
[20:19:41] ** Juski just remembered something that happenned today. big mistake announcing to all & sundry there was an unprotected mythweb out there. **
[20:19:59] Juski: www == wild wild west
[20:22:57] octan: hmm well it didnt quit fix my issue.. ivtv-tune -f 175.250 -d /dev/video0 && mplayer /dev/video0 works now..
[20:23:10] octan: but myth does not detect any channels
[20:24:32] Juski: does mythtv 0.19 'detect' channels? I could've sworn you have to tell it about channels somehow
[20:25:04] octan: <Juski> no.. it can scan for channels
[20:25:39] octan: 0.18 could not.. but 0.19 can can for channels
[20:25:45] octan: *can scan
[20:26:11] Juski: it might not be 100% foolproof then
[20:26:23] octan: well it has worked before.
[20:26:41] octan: why should it suddely stop working.
[20:28:00] ivor: ooh it's a work of art in copper.
[20:28:14] octan: its anoying.. cos i donr know all the freq for all channels
[20:28:18] Juski: what are you making ivor?
[20:28:33] Juski: octan: you say it worked before...
[20:28:44] octan: yes,, in deb sarge
[20:28:44] ivor: building a macrovision stripper for my dad.
[20:29:06] ivor: :)
[20:29:06] ** Juski wishes he had pcb etch stuff **
[20:29:15] octan: Juski, im now in (K)ubuntu dappeer
[20:29:22] Juski: ivor: nice. sock it to the big corp ;-)
[20:29:23] octan: -1e :P
[20:29:23] ivor: Juski: it's just a trip to maplin away.
[20:29:36] ivor: Juski: :) just a handy gadget to have.
[20:29:39] Juski: ivor: UV exposure/photoresist?
[20:29:52] ivor: nope. much easier way.
[20:29:57] ivor: press-n-peel
[20:30:25] ivor: you laser print onto it. then iron it onto the board. amazing. wish I'd had it years ago.
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[20:31:03] Juski: I knew there was a catch
[20:31:04] Niklas_E: does the video4linux (old) use v4l1?
[20:31:17] Juski: :@~:@~:@:~!!
[20:31:18] ivor: Juski: catch?
[20:31:25] Juski: ivor: needing a laser
[20:31:46] ivor: or.. you can photocopy onto it
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[20:32:01] Juski: would a £50 mono laser be good enough? been looking for an excuse
[20:32:05] ivor: yup
[20:32:12] Juski: wooo
[20:32:56] hashbang: Juski: samsung are pretty good, IME.
[20:32:57] Juski: okayyy... either I don't have 3d acceleration working or something is awry with SVN
[20:32:59] ivor: you can even make pcb's just using a laser printed page... but the finish is nowhere near as clean.
[20:33:08] ivor: Juski: wassup
[20:33:18] ** hashbang has been running a 100GBP ML-1250 for 4 years now, with no hassles. Still on the original freebie toner carts even. **
[20:33:26] Juski: ivor: I need to check some stuff first ;)
[20:34:12] Juski: hmm glxgears ran but didn't give me any fps info
[20:34:54] ivor: hashbang: heh snap... although for some reason the toner I've got in it at the moment doesn't work for the pcb stuff.
[20:34:59] ivor: Juski: it doesn't any more.
[20:35:06] ivor: someones stupid idea.
[20:35:35] Juski: what?!
[20:36:09] Juski: right – so there's pretty coloured gears... and the point of that is...
[20:36:42] hashbang: Juski: it's a GL test
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[20:37:15] TinheadNed: 'lo
[20:37:21] hashbang: Juski: the fps should be in the console that started glxgears
[20:37:24] psofa: Juski, it shows fps on terminal
[20:37:28] hashbang: Juski: glxinfo is also worth a gander
[20:37:45] Juski: hashbang: nup
[20:37:55] TinheadNed: is anyone using mythtv with their filestore on a different machine? my mythtv box can't seek in mpg files, but it can in nuv files
[20:37:56] Juski: it used to, but not the version I've got
[20:38:09] ivor: damnit where's the command line option for it...
[20:38:16] ivor: actually juski....
[20:38:37] ivor: just: strings `which glxgears` | grep benchmark
[20:39:47] Juski: heh
[20:39:51] Juski: thats one way to do it
[20:40:16] TinheadNed: which is better, nfs or smb for sharing video files?
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[20:40:54] hashbang: TinheadNed: on Linux, probably SMB, sadly. :-/
[20:41:35] TinheadNed: hashbang: my mythtv box fails to seek in mpg streams – I can't rewind or ffwd
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[20:41:42] TinheadNed: hashbang: but I can in nuv files
[20:41:47] Juski: -iacknowledgethisinnotabenchmark
[20:41:49] Juski: :-/
[20:42:03] TinheadNed: Juski: clever option
[20:42:20] Kazan: hmm
[20:42:21] Kazan: weird
[20:42:30] Juski: that was the shorter version I made up
[20:42:35] hashbang: growisofs has a funny one, too
[20:42:36] Juski: 851fps
[20:42:37] Kazan: mythbackend log doesn't show why it failed to record
[20:42:44] Juski: hmmm
[20:42:59] ivor: Juski: that's the fella.
[20:43:22] Juski: 851fps? nowhere near enough by my reckoning
[20:43:29] Juski: should be in the 000's
[20:43:36] Juski: shouldn't it?
[20:43:39] ivor: what card?
[20:43:42] ivor: the epia?
[20:44:24] Juski: fx5200
[20:44:38] ivor: sounds a bit low then
[20:44:40] Niklas_E: if your useing alsa, how do you specify the alsa device to get the sound from?
[20:44:58] Kazan: hmm
[20:45:03] Kazan: wtf is this message about
[20:45:11] Kazan: 2006-05–17 15:44:20.723 MainServer::HandleAnnounce Monitor
[20:45:35] Kazan: 2006-05–17 15:44:20.751 adding: thorin as a client (events: 0)
[20:45:36] Juski: ivor: if my memory serves I can't do anything opengl in minimyth – visualisations don't work
[20:45:36] ivor: Juski: hmm according to google 1300 ish for a 5200.
[20:46:05] TinheadNed: Niklas_E: look at the dev nodes it creates?
[20:46:16] Juski: ivor: I thought so
[20:47:00] Niklas_E: nope don't know how alsa works
[20:47:31] TinheadNed: Niklas_E: where are you trying to specify this?
[20:48:05] TinheadNed: btw is it my imagination or can you not select visualisations in mythvideo? you just get one randomly?
[20:48:14] Niklas_E: in the tvcards sound setting (mythtv-setup)
[20:48:58] TinheadNed: Niklas_E: so it's asking for a device node?
[20:49:08] TinheadNed: Niklas_E: /dev/<x> ?
[20:49:11] Niklas_E: tried oss but I need to do "v4lctl volume mute off" everytime I uses it if I do that (tried old drivers, and new)
[20:49:48] Niklas_E: well /dev/dsp1 (in oss)
[20:50:06] Niklas_E: doesn't create one in alsa
[20:50:10] Juski: hmmm... anyway onwards
[20:50:38] Niklas_E: (in slackware it works perfect with oss)
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[20:51:10] Juski: fading works now
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[20:51:40] TinheadNed: Niklas_E: hmm
[20:51:43] Juski: reckon I'll be turning that off
[20:51:49] Kazan: whoa
[20:51:56] Kazan: opening livetv is failing
[20:52:11] Kazan: whoa.. wtf
[20:52:27] Juski: dammit I've yet to config all the xmltv IDs
[20:52:28] TinheadNed: Niklas_E: I can only talk from a gentoo PoV but does your version of mythtv have alsa support? if the devnode is correct it should open it in alsa or oss as you ask
[20:52:37] Juski: aha! mythweb to the rescue
[20:52:44] TinheadNed: mythweb is cool
[20:53:00] Niklas_E: yep, it has (compiled it myself)
[20:53:06] Juski: apt get install apache!
[20:53:10] Niklas_E: mythtv that is
[20:53:14] TinheadNed: don't suppose anybody can hazard a guess as to why I can't seek in dvb mpeg streams
[20:53:44] Juski: TinheadNed: corrupted recordedmarkup table or... the frontend's time is inaccurate
[20:54:02] TinheadNed: Niklas_E: I'm a little confused then. do you have any nodes in /dev/sound? those are alsa only I tihnk
[20:54:06] Juski: I use NTP to sync FE & BE
[20:54:36] TinheadNed: Juski: the FE and BE are on the same computer, but the HD isn't – keep the comp quieter
[20:54:53] Kazan: weird
[20:54:58] Kazan: i'm getting an error setting my default channel
[20:54:59] Kazan: 174
[20:55:05] Niklas_E: well I gonna check that when I compiled to a new version of v4l-dvb
[20:55:10] ivor: Juski: turning off fading? nooooo. but its so cool.
[20:55:14] Kazan: 2006-05–17 15:54:23.942 TVRec(1) Error: Failed to set channel to 174.
[20:55:14] Kazan: 2006-05–17 15:54:23.965 TVRec(1) Error: Channel: '' was not found in the database.
[20:55:19] Kazan: 174 is in the DB though :/
[20:55:20] Niklas_E: have a v4l (really old now)
[20:57:11] Juski: ivor: much ado about nothing IMHO. bring on the animation ;-)
[20:57:34] ** Juski adds learning Qt & opengl to his to-do list **
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[20:57:52] laga: Juski: so do you know c++ already?
[20:57:56] TinheadNed: Juski: they're nice languages – but opengl is evil for not tellign you what you're doing wrong
[20:58:00] Juski: oh yeah. and that
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[20:59:31] Niklas_E: brb
[20:59:34] Niklas_E: rebooting
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[21:03:50] TinheadNed: hurrah – buying an sblive on ebay
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[21:07:44] achew22: !slap achew22
[21:07:52] laga: !trout achew22
[21:07:52] ** MythLogBot slaps achew22 with a trout on behalf of laga... **
[21:08:11] achew22: yay
[21:08:36] achew22: I fixed mirc... everyone was being ignored... and now I can see text again
[21:09:49] achew22: how much hdd space would you sugest for someone with a HDTV card to have?
[21:10:02] ole_schoola: reminds me of Stewie and Peter playing peekaboo
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[21:12:04] Juski: achew22: come on now... as much as possible ;-)
[21:12:26] Juski: do the maths – 18Mb/sec.. average 1 hour recording will take...
[21:12:31] Juski: loads
[21:12:33] achew22: Juski wanna hear a funny story?
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[21:13:11] ole_schoola: TinheadNed: I cannot ffw or rwd dvb-mpegs as well. during playback of anything, X chews up remainng CPU. i'll fix that first and then look at mythcommflag results. let you know my results
[21:13:17] Juski: how long is a piece of string?
[21:13:37] achew22: not too long
[21:13:54] TinheadNed: ole_schoola: cool – mine did work till I nfs mounted where I keep the files – I'm blaming that atm
[21:14:07] achew22: I put a new 1g ram chip in my box that had 1TB of storage... then when I turned it on I saw a shit load of sparks and now it wont turn on....
[21:14:14] Juski: achew22: that's your problem. you need a niiice long piece of string
[21:14:37] Juski: uh-oh spaghetti-o
[21:14:42] TinheadNed: achew22: :/
[21:14:55] achew22: its okay — everything is under warrenty... i'm quite unhappy though
[21:15:01] TinheadNed: gtg
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[21:15:07] ole_schoola: TinheadNed: i'd still check for corrupted recordedmarkup tables. i KNOW mine are hosed because mythcommflag has been jerking around my playback, which it never did in FC4
[21:15:11] achew22: its alright as I had redundancy and I didn't loose any of my recordings
[21:15:29] Juski: achew22: if that's true, 1TB should be more than enough for a while
[21:16:01] achew22: lol that box was running 256m of ram before that 1gb stick was put in... I cant beleive it worked as well as it did
[21:17:01] ole_schoola: achew22: my 600 Gig of storage is getting really cramped with HD stuff on it. i feel like it's a 120 gig when all i was grabbing was SD
[21:17:15] achew22: really?
[21:17:19] achew22: thats scarry....
[21:17:29] achew22: I only have one hd card though
[21:17:38] achew22: I'm retaining the 3 ivtv tuners
[21:17:50] achew22: I have 4 bttv tuners... is there any practicle use for them?
[21:18:05] ole_schoola: 2 Airstar 35r gen and a very scratchy pvr500
[21:18:18] ole_schoola: 3rd gen
[21:19:02] achew22: wow... how many mysqls will they release this week on the apt lists for ubuntu!
[21:19:06] ole_schoola: i might just burn down / and /boot and go back to FC4 where everything worked
[21:19:22] achew22: nuke n' pave... good way to go. what are you running now?
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[21:19:45] achew22: is anyone running CVS?
[21:19:47] ole_schoola: FC%. did the upgrade when i added the second atsc and swapped 350 out for 500
[21:19:55] ole_schoola: FC5
[21:20:06] achew22: ahh
[21:20:10] achew22: i might go back to gentoo
[21:20:19] achew22: now that I know about distributed compiling....
[21:20:32] achew22: cut the install time in 3rd
[21:20:49] ole_schoola: currently 19-fixes ala atrpms (yuck), previously svn circa the .19 release
[21:20:55] Juski: woo.. mythweb worky worky
[21:21:09] achew22: anyone played with the guestures?
[21:21:30] ole_schoola: JUski: is thayt svn mythweb you are woohooing about?
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[21:22:40] achew22: has anyone had any experience with MythUI?
[21:23:01] Juski: ole_schoola: yup
[21:23:11] Juski: achew22: mythui? the demo?
[21:23:24] achew22: I don't know anything about it and the wiki page on it hasn't been created
[21:23:29] C4T3l: just a quick ?? has mythweb audio/video streaming been accomplished yet?
[21:23:35] achew22: just would like to know what it does that opengl didn't
[21:23:45] ole_schoola: Juski: what's the big feature adds since .19? i haven't been tracking commits
[21:23:51] achew22: C4T3l you would know if that happened — the channel would be shooting off fireworks
[21:23:58] C4T3l: lol
[21:24:18] achew22: you know its true
[21:24:27] C4T3l: i can get simple files via nfs share but thats kinda lame
[21:24:45] Juski: ole_schoola: various improvements – more idiot proofing in mythtv-setup, nice opengl fades between menu screens, lots of fixes – too much to list. the biggy for most people will be mytharchive
[21:25:05] achew22: C4T3l if you use scripts you can make it very nice
[21:25:08] ole_schoola: screw this
[21:25:27] ole_schoola: ima burn down back to where i know stuff works and go back to svn
[21:25:27] achew22: i used a script called mythlink.(sh|pl) i think its in the contrib folder
[21:25:31] achew22: it made really easy to get names
[21:25:41] ole_schoola: and i'll bone up on dist compiling
[21:26:00] Juski: achew22: mythrename --link /directory_where_you_want_the_links_placed
[21:26:10] achew22: that one
[21:26:20] achew22: ohh — i named my script mythlink.sh
[21:26:31] achew22: thats what I think
[21:26:59] achew22: what is MEDIASTAT_UNPLUGGED
[21:27:04] Juski: installing plugins now...
[21:27:51] Kazan: xris around?
[21:28:06] xris: sort of
[21:28:16] achew22: xris: are you ever really all here?
[21:29:16] ole_schoola: it's the middle of the afternoon for him, he's got a job :)
[21:29:28] Juski: oh dear oh dear oh dear. tv_grab_uk_rt isn't working..
[21:29:31] ole_schoola: good for him his co-workers like myth :)
[21:29:51] xris: achew22: not lately
[21:30:11] Kazan: xris did you say you were putting lm_sensors stuff into mythweb?
[21:30:14] achew22: ole_schoola I know — xris must spend a lot of tiem at work... he is always wandering off in the middle of conversations in here... which leads to comical results and much confusion
[21:30:38] achew22: i like i that way though....
[21:30:49] ole_schoola: i remember, hell, life got in the way for about two months just now
[21:30:51] xris: Kazan: no
[21:30:57] Kazan: bah
[21:30:59] Kazan: i thought you were
[21:31:07] xris: achew22: I wander off when I'm at home, too...
[21:31:07] Kazan: know of any good php apps that will display that info
[21:31:28] xris: painful rsi in my wrist makes me not enjoy computers somtimes.
[21:31:31] achew22: xris I know how my friends feel when I'm helping them with computer stuff now.
[21:31:34] xris: Kazan: nope
[21:31:40] ole_schoola: xris is off his ritalin
[21:31:41] Juski: Kazan: minimyth has such a thing built in – look at the source for minimyth
[21:31:57] xris: Kazan: I think I remember hearing that someone was talking about putting that info into the backend status page, which would make it into mythweb that way.
[21:32:03] achew22: what does xris do for a living?
[21:32:20] ole_schoola: cat herding?
[21:32:25] xris: achew22: siliconmechanics.com
[21:32:42] xris: php dev, mysql/apache admin, kormoc's boss
[21:33:18] achew22: do you assemble them? or do you code for them? or what?
[21:33:34] Juski: slowly, and surely... mythtv gets EPG data
[21:33:47] achew22: Juski i thought it was broken....
[21:33:49] xris: achew22: look at the second line I typed
[21:34:01] achew22: alright...
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[21:34:11] Juski: achew22: it _was_ broken :-P
[21:34:20] Juski: gimme some credit
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[21:34:53] achew22: ahh
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[21:35:37] achew22: is there a way that I can go back and redo the tuners database? I didn't know what I was doing with my dvb card and now its number 12
[21:36:22] Juski: clear all capture card settings
[21:36:30] Juski: mythtv-setup
[21:37:00] Kazan: hrm :/
[21:37:44] achew22: Juski that seems too easy. is there a harder way?
[21:38:06] bba`linux: all of my channels are 1 off. If I go to channel 5, it's really on channel 6. Im sure it's a setting im missing. Anyone know where that setting is right off the top of their head?
[21:38:06] xris: achew22: TRUNCATE TABLE xxxxxx;
[21:38:16] xris: that will reset the auto increment info
[21:38:19] achew22: xris I was only kidding
[21:38:30] Juski: achew22: mke2fs /dev/hda3
[21:38:36] achew22: lol
[21:38:40] xris: achew22: no fun. I just don't like seeing chanid's like 7123
[21:38:41] achew22: i like Juski solution more
[21:38:42] xris: heh
[21:39:05] Juski: ext2 would be a fun distraction
[21:40:05] achew22: Juski you're turly an inovater in the feild of computer destruction
[21:40:21] ** Kazan sighs **
[21:40:31] ** Kazan is finally trying to secure his mythweb and it doesn't want to pass the auth **
[21:41:16] xris: Kazan: read the readme from .19-fixes
[21:41:25] xris: er, the.htaccess, not readme
[21:41:25] Kazan: nah
[21:41:30] Kazan: i just made a typo
[21:41:32] xris: ah
[21:41:39] Kazan: httpd-password in one place and httpd-passwords in the other
[21:41:41] Juski: haha... over a vnc connection, running mythtv with opengl – you see nothing but the background
[21:41:50] Kazan: lol
[21:41:59] Juski: figures
[21:43:11] bba`linux: anyone know how to fix the channel offset?
[21:43:23] Kazan: fix what channel offset that is broken out
[21:43:49] bba`linux: if i am on channel 5, it's really channel 6
[21:43:53] Juski: erm... in mythweb I'm not seeing any plugins stuff – only the TV things
[21:44:03] achew22: Juski in windows if you do RDC connections active X (i.e. a playing movie in wmp) wont show
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[21:46:01] Juski: this is rare... I need to go search the ML
[21:46:43] kormoc: Juski, the plugins only show up if they are installed or something like that, is it possable you don't have them installed?
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[21:47:16] warthog9: is it better to use LCDproc or lcd4linux with mythtv?
[21:47:30] Juski: kormoc: they show in mythfrontend alright
[21:47:35] kormoc: fair nuff
[21:48:38] achew22: warthog9 what lcd are you using?
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[21:49:09] warthog9: achew22- the lcd on the ahanix divine 601, parrallel port based I'm assuming it's the hd44780 driver
[21:49:31] achew22: I have only used usb lcds... sorry
[21:50:20] warthog9: I'll give lcdproc a whirl, it seems to be the more supported in mythtv
[21:50:32] achew22: try em' both
[21:50:37] achew22: it wont hurt you too bad
[21:51:15] RaYmAn-Bx: lcdproc is pretty cool in general as well..Like the fact that you can have several things connect to the daemon and it alternates between showing output from them
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[21:51:44] warthog9: RaYmAn-Bx- that's kind of a useful feature
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[21:52:18] Juski: oooo eck. mythweather isn't working right either
[21:52:30] achew22: Juski what version are you using? SVN?
[21:55:27] Juski: svn yup
[21:55:48] Juski: just noticed aswell that when you change the painter method you have to restart mythfrontend for it to take effect
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[21:56:38] achew22: Juski isn't that how it is with all apearences?
[21:56:39] Juski: yup – mythweather setup menu is broken with opengl painter
[21:56:49] Juski: achew22: no
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[21:57:21] achew22: Juski isn't that how it is with all apearences?
[21:57:40] Juski: no
[21:57:54] Juski: is there an echo in here?
[21:57:58] Juski: is there an echo in here?
[21:58:47] Juski: lol mythweather setup menu is broken without opengl painter too... either that or it's just wery wery slow
[21:59:03] speedsix: Hi all, any idea how to fix 'unsupported code rate' when scanning in myth? DVB-T Twinhan card
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[21:59:16] speedsix: Hangs at 55% scan
[21:59:44] Juski: speedsix: are you in london?
[22:00:06] speedsix: nope sunny somerset ;)
[22:00:21] Juski: ah. I tried a tuned scan last night – no dice
[22:00:29] Juski: full scan worked brilliantly though
[22:00:37] ** dscoular thinks of scrumpy **
[22:00:37] speedsix: Friend of mine trying to set up his box
[22:01:00] speedsix: Does 0.18 have a 'full' scan?
[22:01:08] speedsix: dscoular, lol
[22:01:22] Juski: speedsix: can't remember. you can do a proper scan though (tuned) IIRC
[22:01:41] Juski: speedsix: full scanning worked for me last night, with svn of erm.. last night
[22:02:15] speedsix: he's putting in the number from the uk-Mendip file and 8Mhz
[22:02:31] Juski: 8mhz yup
[22:02:34] dscoular: 0.18 scans (in Oz) always froze around 50%. Transport based scans seemed reliable though.
[22:02:40] Juski: should be 2k rate too
[22:02:47] Juski: everything is 2k in the UK for now
[22:03:14] Juski: wow. 'magnetic springs, OH' – sounds like an interesting place to live :-)
[22:03:30] achew22: i wonder what the cancer rate is....
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[22:03:47] dscoular: Do slinkies even work there ?
[22:03:57] achew22: hehe
[22:04:07] kormoc: there is no cancer rate, but randomly, people fall into magnetic time loops
[22:04:16] achew22: have you ever run 1 command and taken your hard drive from 99% full to 7%?
[22:04:26] achew22: its really exciting and fun to watch df as it goes
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[22:04:34] achew22: lets try to use dvb again....
[22:04:39] C4T3l: goodnight springton, there will be on encore
[22:04:40] dscoular: cat /dev/zero > bigfile
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[22:04:56] xris: achew22: shred /dev/hda  ;)
[22:05:04] Juski: wth is up with mythbackend here? it's putting status messages out on all my ssh sessions
[22:05:07] dscoular: cat is faster
[22:05:21] kormoc: dscoular, actually not, he said to emptry a drive, not fill it up
[22:05:24] ** dscoular decides to go to work **
[22:05:33] achew22: xris it was rm "/var/lib/mythtv/*"
[22:05:35] kormoc: dscoular, and dd can be much faster if it's tuned right :)
[22:05:39] xris: achew22: not bad
[22:05:46] xris: kormoc: yes, but dd creates sparse files
[22:05:53] Juski: oo they fixed mythweather's ickle bug in the # sat images for us UK guys – thanks!
[22:05:56] kormoc: xris, you can tell it not too
[22:05:58] kormoc: *to
[22:05:59] xris: true
[22:06:11] dscoular: cat is quicker to type ;)
[22:06:13] Juski: xris: quick one – plugins aren't showing in my mythweb, but they're installed & show in mythfrontend
[22:06:43] kormoc: nohup cat /dev/urandom > /dev/null
[22:06:57] ** dscoular wishes he hadn't started this **
[22:07:04] xris: kormoc: what a nice way to eat up cpu
[22:07:26] xris: Juski: odd... mythweb detects the plugins by checking for their settings.
[22:07:27] speedsix: Anyone seen the film Very Bad Things, excellent black comedy :)
[22:07:47] achew22: what program should I look up to find out if my air2pc tuner is working
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[22:07:55] dscoular: azap
[22:08:10] Juski: xris: svn I checked out last night
[22:08:22] xris: Juski: do you have music/video files in the database?
[22:08:41] xris: or at least opened the sections in the frontend?
[22:09:00] xris: I know that you need to configure mythweather before mythweb will see it because it checks for the location info
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[22:09:07] _nero_: anyone know if it is possible with alsa/sound card to allow two applications to be passing sound to the soundcard at once?
[22:09:20] speedsix: yeah you need to setup software mixing
[22:09:26] xris: _nero_: it's called software mixing (since your card obviously doesn't support hardware mixing)
[22:09:44] Juski: xris: not yet – could that be it?
[22:09:46] _nero_: cool.. now to figure out how to do that.. lol
[22:10:30] Juski: ahh.. mythweather is showing now. I'll sort out my meedj files next...
[22:10:31] xris: Juski: yes
[22:10:46] Juski: thanks xris... btw love the grey skin ;-)
[22:11:16] xris: Juski: thank whoever submitted it. heh
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[22:16:12] psofa: when's 0.20 expected? in lets say 3 moths or in a year
[22:16:21] Juski: 2007
[22:16:36] Zider: 2017 ;)
[22:16:40] Juski: and if it's not released by then I'll move to MCE. yeah right
[22:16:43] kormoc: 2007? I heard 3007
[22:17:15] Juski: I suspect it'll be after 0.19.9 sometime :-P
[22:18:43] achew22: um when I run azap I get this "Can't locate XML/XPath.pm in @INC" error. I know about cpam but how do I figure out what one I need and how to install it?
[22:19:25] Juski: install <name of package> within CPAN
[22:19:27] xris: ole_schoola: btw, my company likes mythtv so much we're donating a new 2u server for mythtv.org.  :)
[22:19:50] achew22: Juski what is the name of the package? "XML/XPath.pm"?
[22:20:11] speedsix: god damn ubuntu is slow at ripping cds
[22:20:27] Juski: achew22: in CPAN, try install XML::Xpath
[22:20:38] achew22: okay... lets see if that gets it
[22:21:56] speedsix: My 0.19-fixes svn install croakes with a seg fault when you hit the M key during playback of a recording
[22:22:01] ole_schoola: xris: that's the spirit ;)
[22:22:35] psofa: the reason im asking is that there are dvb tuning fixes in svn and im afraid ill mess the db
[22:23:14] ole_schoola: psofa: dump the db right before you make install
[22:24:17] psofa: but who knows what may go wrong and break my myth
[22:24:17] achew22: psofa you might want to back it up before you drop it
[22:25:30] ole_schoola: im not a DBA or programmer, but i can march around SQL pretty well. i though to dump WAS to backup
[22:25:43] achew22: ohh — I read drop
[22:25:45] achew22: sorry
[22:26:07] ole_schoola: np, like i said, no formal schooling, tons of OTJ in my past life
[22:26:31] achew22: what was your past life? were you the reaper?
[22:27:15] Juski: speedsix: last night when I got home I fired up my spare box, started mythbackend.. segfault – reason unknown. started afresh & all was well :-/
[22:27:58] ole_schoola: nah, mac and win sysadmin from Purdue in 90 until i stopped contracting in 2000
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[22:28:17] achew22: ole_schoola what do you do now?
[22:28:50] ole_schoola: real contracting. custom install or Residential Systems Integrator as we think we'd like to be called
[22:28:52] speedsix: odd, it just dumps me out of the frontend every time I hit the M key
[22:29:32] speedsix: I sussed out my audio sync problems though, I was running through AOSS because I didin't know how to use the native alsa libraries
[22:29:57] speedsix: afaik it doesn't say it in the manual/wikiwahwah
[22:30:00] ole_schoola: achew22: none of the other trades know what to call us though
[22:30:05] kormoc: speedsix, it sure does
[22:30:12] ole_schoola: well, they call us "the AV guys"
[22:30:32] achew22: ole_schoola they call you crooks ;)
[22:30:38] ole_schoola: and the electricians call us "assholes" because we take away the work they used to do (very poorly i might add)
[22:30:41] achew22: thats the generic term for contracters
[22:30:56] speedsix: kormoc, lol maybe I should rtfm better huh :/
[22:31:02] Juski: mount: RPC: Program not registered ?!
[22:31:08] ** Juski googles again **
[22:31:23] ole_schoola: achew22: depends on which builders you work with. i have the luxury of selecting mine
[22:31:41] kormoc: speedsix, http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-7.html
[22:31:45] kormoc: speedsix, under Using ALSA
[22:32:04] achew22: ole_schoola as long as your a moral and just contracter I got no problem with u
[22:33:36] speedsix: kormoc, thanks, I can't see the wood for the trees sometimes ;)
[22:33:45] ole_schoola: achew22: just raised that way. it's why i left IT, too many shananigans everywhere i went
[22:34:20] speedsix: I am currently using XP via VMware, it's not nice, I feel dirty
[22:34:25] ole_schoola: it wasn't entirely awful, working at a baby bell research house was awesome
[22:34:56] ole_schoola: speedsix: lol, feeling violated? need to take a shower?
[22:35:14] achew22: ole_schoola its disgusting how dirty some IT departments are getting
[22:35:38] speedsix: I used to like XP, no really I did.
[22:36:04] speedsix: Now it makes me want to self harm
[22:36:06] ole_schoola: IT departments? i was the IT dept at two places, both cooking numbers big time
[22:36:33] ole_schoola: the CEOs and CFOs burned me up
[22:36:34] speedsix: bad enough being forced to use it at work
[22:37:16] achew22: speedsix just wait 6 months for vista... it has so much crap in it M$ is shooting itself in the foot
[22:37:43] speedsix: Had a hard enough time convincing them to switch to open office instead of forking out for Orrifice licenses
[22:37:58] speedsix: achew22, I can only imagine
[22:38:09] ** speedsix shudders **
[22:38:15] ole_schoola: i actually miss nt4, call me crazy
[22:39:22] speedsix: We just added up the cost of all the software licenses for our new office. Damn is all I can say
[22:40:13] ole_schoola: CFOs just *love* to see that asset inventory and what next years budget proposal is. just eat it up. with a spoon
[22:40:29] achew22: ut ohh HTDV issues! http://pastebin.com/723587
[22:41:01] ole_schoola: yup, thats an issue
[22:41:09] ole_schoola: plug in the antenna?
[22:41:10] achew22: ole_schoola whats wrong?
[22:41:17] achew22: its plugged in I beleive... i'll double check
[22:41:41] speedsix: Currently all the programmers are wetting their pants over all the exiting features in .NET. *rolleyes*
[22:42:04] speedsix: Welcome to Java circa 1995
[22:42:09] speedsix: muppets
[22:42:24] achew22: ole_schoola crap... I take it my old rabbit ears antena doesn't work with HDTV
[22:42:50] achew22: once again the internet has lied to me
[22:43:01] ole_schoola: rabbit ears are the lower channels so unless you are in Chicago and only wanna watch CBS, no
[22:43:17] ole_schoola: only the lower VHF channels
[22:43:18] achew22: damn...
[22:43:27] ole_schoola: get a Silver Satin
[22:43:28] achew22: would it work with channel 2?
[22:43:36] ole_schoola: yes
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[22:43:39] Kazan: where the frack do i set mythtv's software volume
[22:43:48] Kazan: it sets alsa master to 70% and i want it at 85%
[22:43:51] ole_schoola: whats broadcasting ATSC on channel 2?
[22:44:04] achew22: our WB station
[22:44:11] ole_schoola: Settings > General > 3rd page
[22:44:19] ole_schoola: you sure?
[22:44:34] Juski: offhand – anyone know the cp option to give you a progress bar?
[22:44:53] speedsix: Bwahaha just attempted to install piece of windows software, took 10mins and 1 reboot before it tells me nothing can be installed as I dont have SP1!!
[22:44:53] achew22: WB is channel 2... I think they broadcast HDTV and I doubt they would buy more FCC airspace for that
[22:44:59] ole_schoola: achew22: is 2 where the analog is tight now?
[22:45:19] kormoc: Juski, didn't know you could...
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[22:45:25] ole_schoola: achew: they need a new slot, analog and digital are still energy all the same!
[22:45:40] ole_schoola: almost all of the country is clrearing out of VHF
[22:45:52] ole_schoola: everyting is movin ta UHF
[22:46:00] Juski: kormoc: you can – done it before but can't remember how. it's not in the man page AFAICT
[22:46:48] kormoc: Juski, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=110266 <-- they say to use scp :P
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[22:47:26] kormoc: Juski, try --prog ?
[22:47:54] kormoc: Juski, or -g
[22:48:02] Juski: -g.. that was it I think
[22:48:10] ole_schoola: achew22: i meant to recommend the Silver Sensor indoor antenna, i have one, pulled in a station with horrendous multipath where i used to live, good rejection
[22:48:17] Juski: nope
[22:48:18] speedsix: Grrrrr no I will not restart my computer for the sodding changes to take effect you piece of junk!!!!! aaaaaaargghhh
[22:48:20] Juski: ach well
[22:48:31] Juski: wait! that'll do
[22:48:32] xris: ole_schoola: I have one of those with nothing to plug it into.
[22:48:36] mostr: speedsix: lol
[22:48:42] kormoc: Juski, http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cp_(Unix)
[22:48:56] mostr: speedsix is running windows
[22:49:00] speedsix: 3 reboots in 10mins
[22:49:07] kormoc: -g, --progress show a progress bar if operation is going to take a long time
[22:49:18] kormoc: weird
[22:49:28] mostr: anyone online who can help with mythburn on fedora core 4?
[22:49:38] speedsix: speedsix's windows in contained in vmware where the dirty little mickey mouse os can't touch anything
[22:49:39] Juski: ooo... 10MB/sec on a 100MB network.. wait a minute
[22:49:52] kormoc: lighter fluid always starts up those hard to light cdroms in no time
[22:50:14] achew22: kormoc is obviously talking about his windows cd
[22:50:15] ole_schoola: xris: i actually use mine at customers now, bring it to the attic to troubleshoot ATSC installs
[22:50:46] mostr: speedsix: I have one of those too. :) best place to hide it.
[22:51:23] speedsix: I only need it for one prog and that's the updater app for my speed camera gps doodad thingumy
[22:51:39] achew22: ole_schoola should I go buy a high deff antena
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[22:52:13] ole_schoola: achew22: don't fall for any HD branding. you need a good quality UHF antenna
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[22:52:31] speedsix: Ok so where's the Service Pack installs if it's not in Windows Update
[22:52:35] ole_schoola: but yes, you need a new antenna. question for you......?
[22:52:53] ole_schoola: ....do you get good analog recption with your rabbit ears?
[22:53:09] achew22: speedsix get the service pack from the windows update site
[22:53:10] mostr: speedsix: microsoft.com/downloads likely
[22:53:16] ole_schoola: in particular, how well does it pull in UHF channels?
[22:53:28] nooby_god: Does MythMusic contain support for lyrics?
[22:53:31] ole_schoola: if at all
[22:53:50] SirPageno: nooby_god, I've never seen any support for it
[22:54:03] achew22: ole_schoola I have no idea what I need and since you seem to be a pro at this, and I don't want to flood the channel would you meet me in #achew22
[22:54:19] ole_schoola: be right there
[22:54:25] nooby_god: bah, does Myth
[22:54:35] nooby_god: support GAIM or something?
[22:54:54] achew22: anyone who wants to watch my stupidity can join us
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[22:55:17] kormoc: nooby_god, no, myth is just a tv recording app, not really a desktop replacement
[22:55:41] nooby_god: so it's not a full HTPC sysytem yet
[22:55:56] kormoc: sure it is
[22:56:01] mostr: noob: yes it is. but who wants to chat with gaim
[22:56:06] kormoc: but GAIM isn't part of a home theater
[22:56:11] speedsix: it says go to windows update yet all I see is a bunch of security fixes?
[22:56:49] achew22: speedsix do them — security is the onlything between windows and sucking.... wait...
[22:56:51] mostr: speedsix: you prollie have SP2 already
[22:56:52] SirPageno: I saw an addin called MythKaroke, but havn't investigated it, so can't comment on lyics
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[22:57:36] Juski: SirPageno: noooooooo ;-)
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[22:57:41] mostr: speedsix: I just rolled out a new machine today for a customer and I think there are about 45 critical updates
[22:57:58] Juski: has anybody got links to 'free' music that doesn't suck badly?
[22:58:14] speedsix: mostr, yeah doing it now, reboot-tastic
[22:58:19] mostr: I guess the noob didn't like the fact that he can't chat with gaim on mythtv
[22:58:21] Zider: Juski: remix.overclocked.org :P
[22:58:41] ** mostr wonders how long it takes to write a message with the remote? **
[22:59:15] speedsix: dang my buddy keeps pestering me with this scan stopping at 55%, is there anyway round it? Finds about 20 channels
[22:59:34] Zider: Juski: and machinae supremacy releases lots of their music free on their webpage
[22:59:43] Juski: cheera, Zider
[22:59:54] Juski: trying to populate a demo machine with free tunes
[23:00:04] Juski: got the free video sorted
[23:00:06] SirPageno: i was curious what kind of setups you peeps are using for autologin etc.
[23:00:12] mostr: speedsix: FTA?
[23:00:14] Zider: well, oc.org has about 4,5GB I think
[23:00:16] SirPageno: i currently start my mythbacked in my rc scripts
[23:00:19] speedsix: yeah
[23:00:39] kormoc: SirPageno, I autologin via cron. In my mythtv crontab, @reboot startx
[23:00:42] mostr: speedsix: leave it. mine hung there too and I left it and it finally made it to 100
[23:00:46] speedsix: 'unsupported code rate'
[23:00:52] mostr: oh
[23:00:54] SirPageno: kormac now that sounds promising
[23:00:55] mostr: thats new
[23:01:08] SirPageno: my end goal is to restart X when my frontend crashes
[23:01:12] mostr: speedsix: maybe reflash the unit and try again
[23:01:18] Juski: is lacking bass a requirement for creative commons music or something?
[23:01:24] kormoc: SirPageno, simple script for that
[23:01:34] speedsix: reflash?
[23:01:54] mostr: speedsix: yes, it's a FTA receiver? or are you using a card?
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[23:02:12] speedsix: DVB-T pci card
[23:02:20] speedsix: a pita one at that
[23:02:22] bba`linux: Anyone help me with a Channel/Program Guide problem. When i bring up the program guide, it will be offset from the proper channel by 1. If I have it on channel 8, it will actually be displaying channel 9. Im going through the mailling lists, but not having much luck.
[23:02:41] Juski: speedsix: do you live in the same area (i.e. under the same mast) as your bud?
[23:02:49] speedsix: yeah
[23:02:57] Juski: speedsix: do you also have DVB?
[23:03:01] speedsix: yep
[23:03:04] Juski: duh!
[23:03:18] Juski: dump your dtv_mutliplex & channel tables out then
[23:03:21] speedsix: am I being blonde again? what?
[23:03:28] Juski: then plop them into his DB – sorted
[23:03:35] ** speedsix on 0.19 him 0.18 **
[23:03:42] kormoc: SirPageno, http://pastebin.ca/56707
[23:03:44] Juski: speedsix: should be fine
[23:03:49] speedsix: ok
[23:03:52] SirPageno: kormoc, thanks...
[23:03:58] kormoc: SirPageno, that will startx if X isn'trunning, and start the frontend if it's not running
[23:04:08] Juski: speedsix: get him to back up the DB first
[23:04:15] kormoc: SirPageno, crontab it for * * * * * and you should only have 60 seconds between it auto starting
[23:04:33] speedsix: k
[23:04:40] Juski: speedsix: if they turn out to be different, you can still use the data though
[23:05:26] bba`linux: Anyone have any suggestions? Im open to someone telling me to go fuck myself at this point...it's that frustrating :P
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[23:05:43] SirPageno: kormoc, I never thought of using cron... hehe, i was barking up the inittab respawn tree, or maybe (ugh xdm)
[23:05:49] Juski: dtv_multiplex is the table where all the muxes are held.. the channel table references it... ie each channel has a muxid so myth knows which channel is on which mux ;-)
[23:06:13] Juski: bba`linux: I believe that at www.mythtv.org in the docs section that very problem is mentioned in the troubleshooting section
[23:06:14] speedsix: so I need to dump both dtv_multiplex and channels tables?
[23:06:39] bba`linux: Juski: yeah, under canada channel, then links to a regiser only site at redhat
[23:06:45] kormoc: SirPageno, heh, I like cron so it was the first thing I thought of :)
[23:06:53] Juski: speedsix: yeh – send em over to him
[23:07:34] Juski: speedsix: an interim thing might just be the dtv_multiplex table – then he should be able to do a scan of existing transports (I fink)
[23:08:25] kormoc: bba`linux, I quote, "This is actually due to the tuner on the video capture device being mis-detected. You must manually specify the tuner type in your /etc/modules.conf."
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[23:10:06] bba`linux: kormoc: i do not have an /etc/modules.conf file
[23:10:41] kormoc: bba`linux, well, it all depends on your distro, you have a module.conf or similar file somewhere, you'll have to figure out where your distro hides it
[23:10:55] bba`linux: im running fedora core 5
[23:11:31] nyxx: do I need to edit any files to make mythburn aware of my dvd-rw drive?
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[23:12:47] mostr: bba: what encode do you have?
[23:13:07] warthog9: got it working
[23:13:09] achew22: does mythburn (cvs) work with .19.1?
[23:13:28] bba`linux: mostr: pvr250
[23:13:40] mostr: bba: I got one of those on FC4.
[23:13:55] mostr: bba: does it detect in /var/log/messages as a pcr-250?
[23:14:03] speedsix: Gah is it national p*ss off speedsix day today that I just haven't been told about??
[23:14:04] mostr: pvr-250
[23:14:21] Juski: 'sup now, speedsix ?
[23:14:24] mostr: speedsix: maybe it's all week :/
[23:14:31] Juski: you did _dump_ not drop didn't you?
[23:14:37] bba`linux: mostr yeah, i followed some directions and it had me make sure it sees it as a pvr card
[23:15:09] speedsix: No not that, sod that, sposed to be going away on holiday tomorrow, not packed anything
[23:15:26] Juski: heh
[23:15:37] bba`linux: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php#firstboot are the dirs i followed
[23:15:39] speedsix: Girl at work today dumps a cd head unit on my desk asking if I can fit it
[23:16:10] speedsix: Np except the sodding wires in the iso block seem to be painted random colours
[23:16:11] Juski: speedsix: the man who didn't like to say no
[23:16:32] speedsix: Here's me thinking ISO, y'know standards
[23:16:47] mostr: bba: you have to load the firmware manually now. Did you do that with? what ivtv version do you have?
[23:16:54] Juski: I thought they all just plugged in these days...
[23:17:18] sapbeast: man im having the worst time trying to transcode my shows... @_X
[23:17:29] speedsix: Juski, yeah, she's not that way inclined either if you know what I mean!
[23:17:38] sapbeast: i wish myth would offer options for something other than .nuv in transcoding
[23:17:58] speedsix: Wasting my time or what
[23:18:24] bba`linux: mostr: what you mean load firmware manually? I just followed the directions on the link i pasted.
[23:18:26] speedsix: sodding ass backward french cars
[23:18:32] Juski: speedsix: ahh well. if there's nowt in it for me I tend not to do it
[23:18:43] bba`linux: that's strange. now my mouse is moving super slow...like granny speed
[23:18:45] nyxx: I'm having an awful time trying to get my gf's graduation on dvd and also getting the last hour cut out of it (I recorded too long)
[23:19:10] Juski: nyxx: not easy in linux
[23:19:32] mostr: bba: my modprobe.conf contains the one line. alias char-major-81 ivtv
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[23:19:53] nyxx: I thought mythburn would help.. and it helped me get revenge of the nerds into a dvd iso back in jan but it is broken or something now :(
[23:20:44] bba`linux: mostr: i have that plus a bunch of other stuff
[23:21:04] speedsix: what is ivtv?
[23:21:06] mostr: bba: yes, the directions are really different from that doc. if you have ivtv 0.4.3 you need to load the firmware manually and move it and a bunch of pissing around.
[23:21:27] kormoc: speedsix, the driver for the winpvr tv cards
[23:21:35] bba`linux: mostr: i do not know which version i actually have for ivtv
[23:22:05] mostr: bba: I updated my box to .19 from .18 and my ivtv updated to 0.4.3. took me a while to sort it out and get it working again.
[23:22:07] bba`linux: but holy crap. my mouse is really moving in slowmo.
[23:22:16] mostr: bba: rpm -qa | grep ivtv
[23:22:19] speedsix: Oh ok, it's all very confusing. So what is v4l then?
[23:23:02] mostr: speedsix: v4l is video 4 linux
[23:23:09] kormoc: speedsix, v4l is a api (Application Programming Interface) for drivers like ivtv or bttv to give myth access
[23:23:17] mostr: speedsix: I think it's a multipurpose player
[23:23:18] speedsix: Oh right I see
[23:23:36] speedsix: so what is bttv exactly?
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[23:24:22] bba`linux: mostr theres like 5 firmwares, a kmdl, a video all listed
[23:24:37] speedsix: for example this twinhan card needs bttv and dvb_bt8xx modules?
[23:24:40] mostr: bba: whats the ivtv one? 0.4.3?
[23:24:56] bba`linux: nothing that says 4.3 is listed
[23:25:43] mostr: bba: got a line like this? ivtv-0.4.3–106.rhfc4.at
[23:26:01] mostr: yours is fc5 prollie
[23:26:09] bba`linux: i got a 0.6.2–110.rhfc5.at
[23:26:16] mostr: bba: any reason to be using fc5? I find fc4 works better
[23:26:31] bba`linux: mostr: cause thats what i had downloaded?:P
[23:26:46] mostr: haha
[23:26:48] mostr: good point
[23:27:01] bba`linux: any idea what would cause a mouse to move about 1/4 speed?
[23:27:05] bba`linux: it literally just happened
[23:27:12] mostr: wireless?
[23:27:17] bba`linux: maybe even 1/8th speed
[23:27:17] bba`linux: nope, mx500
[23:27:24] bba`linux: usb
[23:27:36] mostr: no idea on that.
[23:27:43] mostr: unplug and replug?
[23:27:50] bba`linux: does linux autodetect?
[23:28:34] speedsix: Well the option to download SP2 only showed on windows update AFTER you download all the available updates. Makes sense to me
[23:29:01] speedsix: bba`linux, yep
[23:29:24] bba`linux: speedsix: i find it's easier to download the sp2 network version...it's a few hundred meg, but then i have it for other machines
[23:29:47] mostr: speedsix: you can pull it manually from microsoft.com/downloads
[23:29:56] speedsix: Oh ok cheers
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[23:30:12] mostr: speedsix: look for the Network/IT install one
[23:30:27] bba`linux: well, i seem to have lost my mouse by unplugging and replugging :P
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[23:30:56] speedsix: it's already going now but I'l remember that for next time. Don't want to interupt it on it's do something – reboot – do some more cycle
[23:31:02] mostr: bba: it should autodetect. you disabled SELINUX when you installed FC5 right?
[23:31:08] bba`linux: yeah
[23:31:19] bba`linux: per the link i posted
[23:31:28] mostr: okay, just checking
[23:31:49] K|NgGh0sT: I need help getting MythTV to see my dvb-s card in debian
[23:31:58] simcop2387: hmm
[23:32:20] simcop2387: ok i've run in to an interesting issue that i know little about
[23:32:24] bba`linux: mostr: any other advice?
[23:32:31] mostr: bba: maybe delete the database and delete the encoder and try again?
[23:32:42] mostr: you don't have anything recorded yet?
[23:32:47] bba`linux: whats the best way to delete the database?
[23:33:06] mostr: um, it's on the doc website. I just saw it. let me find it again
[23:33:22] simcop2387: does anyone know of a tutorial on setting up a slave backend?
[23:33:25] bba`linux: mostr: brb. gonna reboot so I get my damn mouse back
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[23:33:35] mostr: okay
[23:33:43] mostr: I got 30 minutes of battery still
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[23:34:34] sponz`home: my windows box never fails me :P
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[23:34:44] simcop2387: AHA found the problem! the slave backend was trying to use the local mysql still
[23:35:18] armand: that could definitely be a problem :)
[23:35:44] simcop2387: now what setting did i mess up thats doing that
[23:35:47] mostr: simcop: on the wilsonet.com/mythtv site it talks about setting up a slave
[23:35:51] armand: mysql.txt
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[23:38:53] bba`linux: yay. my mouse is back to normal.
[23:39:35] Vantage13_: hi, i think i've run into this problem before, but can't remember what i did to fix it. I've got a pvr-150 set up to tuner. I get picture fine, but no sound. system sound works fine, just not sound from the pvr-150. any idea why that might be?
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[23:39:49] simcop2387: mysql.txt?
[23:40:07] achew22: Vantage13_ is your volume set on the eeprom?
[23:40:20] Vantage13_: achew22: where would I check that?
[23:40:28] achew22: ivtv-ctl
[23:40:32] achew22: check ivtvdriver.org
[23:40:36] achew22: on the wiki and look for that
[23:41:07] Vantage13_: achew22: will do. thanks
[23:41:27] bba`linux: mostr: did you find that link?
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[23:42:03] achew22: I'm setting up my air2pc card... when I run azap I get no results. I have a antena plugged in, would someone be willing to help me out. the pastebin for the azap is http://pastebin.com/723679
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[23:46:57] Vantage13_: achew22: Mute is set to 1, but running ivtvctl -y mute=0 doesn't change the value of mute. is there something i'm missing?
[23:47:27] Vantage13_: i get a return of ioctl VIDIOC_S_CTRL ok
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[23:47:36] K|NgGh0sT: where does myth install to?
[23:47:37] Vantage13_: but ivtvctl -Y still lists mute as 1
[23:47:40] K|NgGh0sT: like where is the myth directory?
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[23:49:38] SirPageno: K|NgGh0sT, how did you install myth?
[23:49:42] Juski: fuck. my demo box just powered down.. that's not gonna be good on the day
[23:49:47] K|NgGh0sT: apt-get install muthtv
[23:49:50] K|NgGh0sT: apt-get install mythtv
[23:50:08] SirPageno: K|NgGh0sT, to find the binaries try 'which mythfrontend'
[23:50:35] SirPageno: K|NgGh0sT, you might also look in /usr/local/share/mythtv for themes and other stuff
[23:50:45] K|NgGh0sT: I just need to put sasc somehwere
[23:50:50] K|NgGh0sT: I'm not sure where
[23:51:04] SirPageno: K|NgGh0sT, is that an executable?
[23:51:11] Juski: /dev/null is where you put such things
[23:51:23] SirPageno: if so, try /usr/local/bin
[23:51:32] ** Juski puts his legal hat on **
[23:51:43] Juski: sasc is naughty
[23:51:56] simcop2387: sweet
[23:51:56] K|NgGh0sT: I'm not saying I'm using it for illegal use ;)
[23:52:05] Juski: the wink says it all
[23:52:19] simcop2387: my computer and my parents computer are now working together to record even more! and on different storage locations!
[23:52:30] Juski: card sharing & stuff is usually against the service provider's T&Cs – and they can sue you
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[23:52:37] simcop2387: we've got 320gb for stoarage (120gb + 200gb)
[23:53:14] Juski: and if you talk about bypassing encryption, it's all logged in this channel
[23:53:14] K|NgGh0sT: Didnt say I was sharing
[23:53:18] mostr: I have 1.2TB
[23:53:21] K|NgGh0sT: Whatever
[23:53:24] simcop2387: SWEEET
[23:53:54] Juski: so erm.. don't expect getting help here for bypassing encryption. use VDR for that shit
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[23:54:01] armand: mythfrontend in fullscreen and afterstep apparently dont mix very well
[23:54:45] armand: hehe
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[23:55:06] simcop2387: ok i'm loving mythtv now
[23:55:27] simcop2387: i can watch the dish in my room when its downstairs, now i just need an IR blaster
[23:56:39] mostr: it's pretty sweet. all kinds of tv to record and watch
[23:57:59] speedsix: Later chaps I'm off
[23:58:24] Juski: night speedsix. have a good holiday :)
[23:58:32] mostr: bba: that same website had stuff about mythfilldatabase I think
[23:59:26] speedsix: Juski cheers, later :)
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