Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, May 16th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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psofa:

i think ill stay with that kernel for the next 10 years

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Juski:

psofa: 'need' to upgrade, or 'want' to ?;-)

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psofa:

its both

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psofa:

my nova-t acts like shit

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Mattwj2005:

lol....I got one for you guys....

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Juski:

back it up & all will be well.

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Juski:

back up yer config file too

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Juski:

and have a bootable disc handy (cd etc)

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Mattwj2005:

next payday should I get a cheap PVR-150, a wireless keyboard, or a DVD burner for my MythTV box

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psofa:

Juski,but if the nova-t comes up working well while sth else breaks i wont want to go back xD

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Juski:

Mattwj2005: what do you want more? personally I'd go out & have some beers

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Mattwj2005:

lol....that would be good too....I like the Minneapolis ladies :P

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psofa:

i vote for a pvr-150

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psofa:

i dont have any of those but thats what id get

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Juski:

I need to buy another dvb-t tuner

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Juski:

sorry _want_

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psofa:

:)

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Mattwj2005:

that would help with my CPU utilization....maybe better quality recordings

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Mattwj2005:

wireless keyboard would be dang handy

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Mattwj2005:

and a DVD burner would be great for play DVD movies and backing up my system

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Mattwj2005:

*playing

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Juski:

ahhh.. since you're a software encoding guy, PVR150 – no question

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Juski:

pvr150 recordings make software encoding look like VHS, IMHO

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** xris likes his firewire connection. **

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Mattwj2005:

you got it working well xris?

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xris:

Mattwj2005: has been for a couple of weeks now

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xris:

I guess I lucked out with comcast in my area

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CyberKnet:

Juski: how would I go about invoking ffmpeg to determine the audio stream type?

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Mattwj2005:

do HDTV tuners have hardware encoding like PVR-150?

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xris:

CyberKnet: woah, haven't seen you in awhile

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xris:

CyberKnet: ffmpeg -i filename

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xris:

Mattwj2005: hdtv is already encoded

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xris:

it's digital

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xris:

the tuners just pull the stream out of the air (or cable) and save it to the drive

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Mattwj2005:

how about for the analog channels?

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xris:

Mattwj2005: there are no hdtv analog channels

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CyberKnet:

xris: new job means no irc at work

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xris:

CyberKnet: no fun

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CyberKnet:

*shrug* It's a good company.

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Mattwj2005:

no I mean for hdtv tuners that support the old analog channels

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CyberKnet:

Beirdo get married yet?

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Juski:

Mattwj2005: some HD tuner cards also do software encodering analogue :-/

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xris:

Mattwj2005: ths pchdtv ones use software encoding for analog channels

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kormoc:

CyberKnet, on the 20th

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Mattwj2005:

what is the other one?

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CyberKnet:

aha

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CyberKnet:

hmm... the audio is pcm_mulaw

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xris:

Mattwj2005: fusion hdtv and airstar hd5000... dunno about those and analog support. if they do, it's probably software, though.

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CyberKnet:

8hz mono. hrm. THat's gonna need to get upsampled.

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** xris wants to go home and lie down in the sun in his backyard **

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Mattwj2005:

okay

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CyberKnet:

xris: sun? In Seattle?

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xris:

CyberKnet: sunny and 73 degrees

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CyberKnet:

xris: unheard of.

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xris:

it's sunny fairly often here... and more often than not it's not raining.

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xris:

we get a bad rap.

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CyberKnet:

xris: I guess so. Everything you read on the intarnets says Seattle makes people depressed. And everything on that thar intarweb is true.

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xris:

oh, it's cloudy in the winter... that makes some people depressed, I guess...

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CyberKnet:

hmm... so ffmpeg supports H.263 and pcm_mulaw ... in theory it could convert it to dvd compliant MPEG2, right?

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Mattwj2005:

67 Minneapolis

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xris:

I'm still working off years growing up in both the hottest and driest deserts in the world.

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Mattwj2005:

Cloudy and Windy

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xris:

Mattwj2005: and full of crazy lutherans with funny accents... (sorry, stereotypes) ;)

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Mattwj2005:

lol....

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Mattwj2005:

I am Luthern ;)

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xris:

see, stereotypes are correct sometimes..

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Mattwj2005:

:O

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kormoc:

Well, he might not have a funny accent ;)

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xris:

fwiw, my dad's a lutheran pastor

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Mattwj2005:

nice....my uncle is as well

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xris:

so is my uncle

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xris:

and another uncle and my father in law are a presbyterian pastors

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Mattwj2005:

geez

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Juski:

CyberKnet: in theory you can covert anything to anything

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xris:

you'd think I would be more religious than I am.

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Juski:

I am _so_ gonna install ccache when this compile is done

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xris:

Mattwj2005: I went more the "study it" than "believe it" route when it comes to religion, though... it's not advised to get into a religious argument with me, from either side of the fence.

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Mattwj2005:

I am only somewhat religious.....deep down inside I have good faith....but at times I get tired of people pushing there beliefs on me (aka a lot of the people at my old university)

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CyberKnet:

Juski: yeah... unfortunately the 2100+ Athlon XP I'm using can't do real time conversion :|

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xris:

CyberKnet: mpeg2 encoding is slow

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Mattwj2005:

you would beat me up ;)

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Mattwj2005:

lol

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xris:

Mattwj2005: I'm still 100% culturally lutheran, and I often find that really funny.

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Juski:

on my 2800 Athlon XP it takes ffmpeg about 1/6 of real time

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Juski:

but it's good quality ;-)

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xris:

CyberKnet: that should do realtime flashvideo encoding, though... will come in handy for future mythweb.

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Juski:

I think I'm only guilty of preaching to people to RTFM. it'd be nice if more people did

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xris:

Juski: yeah, that's worthy

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CyberKnet:

xris: I'm trying to convert these stupid AVI files from a commercial DVR system to DVDs, and they want it done in real time or less.

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CyberKnet:

gah.

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Mattwj2005:

xris......they are looking at putting some video thing together for WikiCommons....maybe something we can use down the world

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Mattwj2005:

honestly I don't know enough about it to be sure

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xris:

CyberKnet: time to get a faster machine. :) or use a commercial encoder

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Juski:

a commercial DVR using what? 8-bit ulaw sound? sounds like a CCTV recorder

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CyberKnet:

Juski: It is.

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Juski:

whose?

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CyberKnet:

March Networks

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CyberKnet:

xris: That is an option, if I can find one fast enough.

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Juski:

can't say I've heard of them. I work for one of their competitors though

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CyberKnet:

Juski: I used to use one of their competitors at a different place of employment.

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Juski:

name rings a bell – they sound high-end

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Mattwj2005:

here is a question for you guys....will a PVR-150 help with MP4 encoding?

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CyberKnet:

micro something

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CyberKnet:

something micro

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CyberKnet:

forget exactly what.

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xris:

Mattwj2005: not in the slightest

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Juski:

something micros?

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CyberKnet:

yeah

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Juski:

haha. I work for <something> micros in the uk

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Mattwj2005:

dang it

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xris:

Mattwj2005: except that the recording quality of the mpeg2 will be better quality than your software-encoded nupplevideo

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CyberKnet:

I'll just have to remember what the something is

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Juski:

Mattwj2005: unless you mean recording good qulaity mpeg2 and transcoding it

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Juski:

CyberKnet: dedicated

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CyberKnet:

Yeah.

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CyberKnet:

That's what I was using.

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CyberKnet:

a 16 input system.

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Juski:

digitalsprite / BX2 / DVIP

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CyberKnet:

Recorded content looked REALLY bad. real time cameras had really nice resolution.

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_nero_:

anyone know, is someone working on ajax stuff for mythweb?

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CyberKnet:

I think the guys who installed it messed it up

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_nero_:

I started with a few ideas, but didn't want to put a bunch of time into it, if someone was already plowing forward with it.

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Juski:

CyberKnet: the new stuff has like 500 lines rez

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Juski:

16 bit audio too

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Mattwj2005:

hmm

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Juski:

pity about the Java viewer :-/

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Mattwj2005:

I love MP4 :(

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xris:

Mattwj2005: any particular reason?

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Juski:

Mattwj2005: low on disk space?

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Mattwj2005:

I only have an 80 GB hard drive

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Mattwj2005:

yup

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Juski:

wait a while & they new perpedicular recording disks will make the price of regular HDDs fall through the floor

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Juski:

s/they/the

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xris:

Mattwj2005: then do what I do and archive everything to xvid avi's with nuvexport

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xris:

Juski: alas if that was only true

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Juski:

xris: there's bound to be some major price drops... at least in terms of cost/GB

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xris:

Juski: yes. but that's not really much related to the perpendicular disk bit.. just time.

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Juski:

yeh I see your point

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Doctor:

well perpendicular is this weeks improvement

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xris:

I'd like to snag me a couple of those 700G drives, though

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Doctor:

thats how I see it

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xris:

Doctor: exactly

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Juski:

I get too excited by huge disks.. I can still remember (blah blah)

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Mattwj2005:

I would be happy with a nice TB of storage (multiple drives)

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xris:

Juski: I think I still have a 20M hard drive somewhere.

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Juski:

I still have my old trash-80 coco computer & tape deck somewhere

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xris:

hmm... 700G drives in one of our 24 drive storage servers... that's just over 15T of space in dual raid5's. heh

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Juski:

15T? who was that guy who said that the world would only ever need like 3 computers?

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coshx:

okay, it sort of works (when i say the right prayers), but audio is about twice as high pitched as it should be. should i be looking at my .asoundrc, or at my aliases in /etc/modules.d/alsa or both? are there good manuals for these files?

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Mattwj2005:

nice :P

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Doctor:

Juski: with them being the size of a building and doing less than an expensive digital watch, I don't blame them for saying that

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xris:

Doctor: I know someone who worked with those.. (eniac, to be specific)

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Mattwj2005:

I gtg...later all

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Doctor:

i hate how people make thier shoutcast entires look all fanciful with D I G I T A or &39; codes

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sean33:

morning

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Juski:

heh. looking at the messages spurting out of this compile, EIT is being built whether I want it or not

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Ryushin:

Well, RMA'd my nvidia video card. when I get back, I'll see if I can get the NV driver working well enough with XV. Hopefully it will work.

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Juski:

Ryushin: good luck. if the nv guys get more feedback about stuff, things can get fixed I guess

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sean33:

dam

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sean33:

ok im confused ...typed in " cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net :/cvsroot/lirc login " gets password: < hit enter > and then it tells me no route to host , did a traceroute is fine

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mchou:

haha!! this is hilarious: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5406177

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Juski:

taxi driver (actually not a taxi driver – just some guy in the BBC for a job interview) asked to speak on the Apple vs Beatles record label case

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Juski:

nice work BBC! ;-)

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mchou:

Juski: he was applying for an IT job

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achew22:

does anyone have their air2pc card working?

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mchou:

achew22: plenty

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achew22:

would someone be willing to help me out with the firmware?

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mchou:

achew22: depends

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achew22:

what are your stipulations?

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Juski:

where to find it? put it?

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mchou:

you need to know what frontend you have (NIM)

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sean33:

help

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achew22:

basicly

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Juski:

achew22: I thought you got the firmware already & it worked...

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achew22:

its detected

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achew22:

the drivers work and it says it can't find the firmware

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

that hardly qualifies as "working"

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achew22:

i kindof assumed that ment that I screwed up the drivers step

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achew22:

when did I say it was working?

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achew22:

sorry "working"

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mchou:

achew22: no, you didnt say, Juski did

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achew22:

okay...

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mchou:

achew22: like I said, you need to determine what frontend you have

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achew22:

how do I go about doing that?

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mchou:

by looking at the card

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achew22:

on the physical card?

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mchou:

yup

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mchou:

or a picture of it

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achew22:

okay...

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mchou:

picture has to match your card of course :)

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achew22:

going off now

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mchou:

not just any random picyure

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mchou:

picture*

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achew22:

shucks

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achew22:

i was going to take a picture of my coffee table and send it to you ;)

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achew22:

be like "what frontend version do I have?"

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mchou:

I would had replied "how the f*** would I know?"

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Juski:

lol

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achew22:

that would have been a fun conversation

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achew22:

okay

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achew22:

got it out

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achew22:

where do I look

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mchou:

you need to take a picture of it and show it to us

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MORA:

wee, I have fta now :)

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mchou:

that way we can identify which version

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achew22:

it says revision 0.2

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mchou:

what says rev 0.2?

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achew22:

the board

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achew22:

one sec — putting them on my computer

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Juski:

jees man how long is this compile gonna take?! I wanna switch the machine off & go to bed

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achew22:

mchou you still here?

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mchou:

maybe

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achew22:

http://achew22.com/blog/pictures/?dir=/Computer/DVB

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achew22:

hyrm.... the thumbnail thingy got broken...

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mchou:

achew22: man, those are awful pictures

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achew22:

yep

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achew22:

terrible camera

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achew22:

sorry

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achew22:

I'll take more if you would like

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mchou:

that looks like it's got a broadcom frontend

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achew22:

whats the destinguishing traint?

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achew22:

trait*

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mchou:

due to the broadcom chip om the side of the card

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achew22:

ooh... the chip that says "broadcom"

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mchou:

so you need the broadcom firmware

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achew22:

okay...

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achew22:

leme boot that computer up again

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sean33:

why cant i connect to cvs.sourceforge.net ?

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mchou:

and you have one bent pin on the tuner that needs to be fixed

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mchou:

5th pin from the right

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mchou:

if that doesnt get fixed, most likely it wont work

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BULLE:

mchou: i wouldnt touch it as long as it works, bending it back will just introduce more meatl fatigue

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BULLE:

metal

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mchou:

BULLE: shit, it not even making conctact w/ solder pad

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achew22:

ohh my god... i wish I had read those before I screwed it in

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mchou:

of course it aint gonna work

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LabMonkey:

anyone know if/how winmyth works?

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Juski:

solder on the last 3 pins doesn't look like it's flowed on the top side

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Juski:

LabMonkey: no it's a PoS

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achew22:

LabMonkey no joke — hasn't worked since .... forever ago

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achew22:

mchou there are no pins that are out...

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LabMonkey:

well crap

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mchou:

achew22: check again

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Juski:

I think it worked briefly when 0.16 was current

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mchou:

achew22: pics dont lie :)

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achew22:

count the pin again...

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LabMonkey:

wonder if playback would be reasonable via remote X display over 100mbit

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Juski:

"the camera never lies, but photographers often do!"

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Juski:

LabMonkey: nah

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LabMonkey:

and if a 550 Athlon classic is man enough

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LabMonkey:

Juski: ok well at this time, running a linux box for mythtv frontend just isn't an option

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Juski:

LabMonkey: for a backend using DVB/ mpeg2 encoder cards?

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mchou:

achew22: ok, never mind. better pic reveal it's ok

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LabMonkey:

so I'm looking for alternatives

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Juski:

LabMonkey: a 500Mhz PIII can play back SDTV in mpeg2 with the help of XvMC

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LabMonkey:

Juski: yeah I have a Kworld ATSC-110 tuner and a 550 Athlon I'd like to use for the backend

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armand:

i wonder if this io thing is the way myth accesses the filesystem, i always have a process or 2 in blockwait when its doing disk io activities

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armand:

hrm

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armand:

kormoc and i cant be the only ones with this issue

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LabMonkey:

so I'm trying to figure out the best way to setup a frontend without having to connect a linux box to the bigger display

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Juski:

LabMonkey: erm... dunno about HDTV... the box would better have enough grunt to write around 18MB/sec to disk & read it back at the same time

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sean33:

ok managed to figure out what was going on with the lirc cvs but still cant get the setup menu to funtion properly , it will not change options ?

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LabMonkey:

well i don't even have a ATSC antenna

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LabMonkey:

so I'm just using it to capture standard cable

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Juski:

LabMonkey: oh fuck – no way, unless you wanna capture at like 320x240

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sean33:

seems to be stuck with serial setup

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mchou:

achew22: looks like a panasonic tuner

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Juski:

even then I dunno if the ATSC-110 captures SD

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LabMonkey:

Juski: it does

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Juski:

likely only software encoding then

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LabMonkey:

yeah

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LabMonkey:

softwar

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LabMonkey:

e

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Juski:

which will kill your CPU

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LabMonkey:

yeah

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Juski:

better buy a pvr350 or a pvr150 then huh

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LabMonkey:

takes >=1.8Ghz to do it under windows

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LabMonkey:

but BeyondTV really pisses me off

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Juski:

lol

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Juski:

you could _maybe_ capture at a low resolution, but it'd look like a VCD on a bad day

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Juski:

try mediaportal if your windows box is semi-respectable

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sean33:

you could like shut up !

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Juski:

you don't stand much chance without hardware encoding on a 550 Athlon

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Juski:

sean33: you could like be polite! fucktard

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LabMonkey:

Juski: pvr150/350 hardware encoders?

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achew22:

okay i took a bunch more

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achew22:

mchou where exactly is the "broken pin"

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sean33:

you could like be less ignorant and take you BS else where

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Juski:

LabMonkey: pvr350 is a card with mpeg2 encoding _and_ decoding. pvr150 is just an mpeg2 encoder

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mchou:

[18:22:06] <mchou> achew22: ok, never mind. better pic reveal it's ok

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Juski:

LabMonkey: you _can_ decode mpeg2 on such a low end machine but you'll need to have a nvidia or other card that supports XvMC – and that can be a bitch to get working

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LabMonkey:

Juski: hmm... do you have to run audio out from the 350 to a sound card or does it do that for you?

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Juski:

sean33: now don't get all stroppy just cos nobody answered your questions right away

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LabMonkey:

and would 550Mhz be enough for a 350?

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Juski:

LabMonkey: you don't _have_ to do that, but if you wanna play non-mpeg2 or music, you'll need to loop into your soundcard's line input

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Juski:

LabMonkey: playing mpeg2 on a pvr350 uses very little CPU, as does recording (same goes for encoding with a pvr150 etc)

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LabMonkey:

hrm

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Juski:

sean33: have you read the lirc readme stuff? the setup menu needs a library to be installed for it to work properly. I made the same mistake a long time ago

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achew22:

http://achew22.com/blog/pictures/Camera/Compu . . . P1220236.JPG where is the broken pin?

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achew22:

mchou this is a good picture

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Juski:

achew22: fifth pin from the right looks bent, that's all

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achew22:

not broken

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achew22:

thats what I wanted to know

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sean33:

you mean this _> Make sure you have libtool-1.3.3 or higher, autoconf 2.13 or higher and automake 1.5 or higher installed. ?

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achew22:

alright...

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achew22:

mchou: can we move along?

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Juski:

sean33: basically yeah

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mchou:

achew22: dude, where you been? :)

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LabMonkey:

well I'm just thinking whether I want to buy one or two now... considering that in a few months I'll be moving the backend to a new rackmount box and put maybe 3 or 4 tuners in it (depending on how much I overlap recordings – but at least 2) and then get a little HTPC to run the frontend with a single tuner in it for live tv

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sean33:

all verrsions are exceeding thoes specs

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mchou:

achew22: [18:22:06] <mchou> achew22: ok, never mind. better pic reveal it's ok

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Juski:

there are only 3 firmware files to choose from anyway achew22.. how hard could it be to eliminate the unsuitable ones?

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Juski:

sean33: I dunno then.. I think LIRC has a mailing list – check that out to see if anyone else has had the same problem. sometimes readme files don't get updated quickly enough

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Juski:

you could always try in #lirc (!)

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sean33:

plan!

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Juski:

though from what I've heard there's not much traffic in that channel

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Juski:

patience could pay off though

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Juski:

;-)

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achew22:

aaw... mchou left me :(

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sean33:

i dropped a message in there see what happens

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mchou:

achew22: wtf are you babbling about??

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sean33:

this isnt the first time ive done this though i didnt have this problem before

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Juski:

achew22: what exactly is the problem with firmware anyway? getting errors it can't be found or something? that's normally cos it's in the wrong place in my experience

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mchou:

Juski: STFU

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mchou:

Juski: you always butting in on shit you know nothing about

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Juski:

rofl

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mchou:

Juski: you're a real PITA annoyance

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Juski:

true, there's no cream you can buy for that either

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achew22:

will someone help me setup my air2pc hdtv card?

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mchou:

achew22: I told you already, use the broadcom firmware

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mchou:

achew22: use it and be done with it

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Juski:

unless he puts it in the wrong directory...

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mchou:

Juski: STFU

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xris:

achew22: air2pc generally just works with the dvb drivers

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achew22:

I need to setup the frontend firmware

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mchou:

achew22: try this: http://www.linuxtv.org/downloads/firmware/dvb-fe-bcm3510-01.fw

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dscoular:

achew22, can you state again the problem you are having... I kinda missed that.

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achew22:

I have to put in the firmware drivers and dont have a freaking idea what to do

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achew22:

something like that is what I said

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mchou:

achew22: stop bsing

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dscoular:

what is the exact error you see in /var/log/messages ?

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mchou:

achew22: you said the firmware wasn't loading for you

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mchou:

[17:55:40] <achew22> the drivers work and it says it can't find the firmware

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Juski:

finally! finished compiling at last.

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dscoular:

what is the exact error you see in /var/log/messages ?

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** dscoular risks repeating himself **

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xris:

achew22: odd, my air2pc didn't need any firmware.. but it was an old one

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mchou:

xris: lol

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achew22:

dscoular got any ideas?

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Juski:

oh crap.. now installing is taking forever.. rrrr

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dscoular:

achew22, not without knowing what the exact error you see in /var/log/messages is.

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** xris wonders how that's funny **

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mchou:

xris: it's funny cause you can't remember

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achew22:

hrm.... is anyone alive now or did I get disconnected again?

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dscoular:

achew22, not without knowing what the exact error you see in /var/log/messages is.

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mchou:

achew22: fix your inet

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** dscoular decides to retreat **

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achew22:

have I been cutting in and out of the channel?

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mchou:

ppl have been trying to respond to you for ages

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mchou:

achew22: ^^

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mchou:

achew22: and you just go on ignoring them

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mchou:

achew22: checjk the irc logs if you have to

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mchou:

check*

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xris:

achew22: yes, you have

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achew22:

aaw... everyone left

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MikeJG:

I'm trying to get my standard PC Games to work on 0.19 (Gentoo amd64) and can't get my gamelist.xml file to be recognized. Any thoughts?

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achew22:

is it in the right place?

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mchou:

achew22: stop using your crappy wireless

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achew22:

is the syntax okay?

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mchou:

achew22: use a real goddamn networking cable

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MikeJG:

I've put it in about 5 different places so far, with no luck. I've got it in "/usr/share/mythtv/games" right now. Syntax looks correct.

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mchou:

achew22: you're fading in and out

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achew22:

open it in firefox or something

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achew22:

it has syntax

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achew22:

checking*

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dscoular:

MikeJG, put it up on pastebin.ca so we can look at it.

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achew22:

mchou did you come back?

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dscoular:

MikeJG, this might help... search for gamelist.xml: http://www.mcnabbs.org/andrew/linux/mythtv/

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EnterUserName:

Hi all

[01:59:10]

EnterUserName:

is there a bug in yesterdays cvs

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mchou:

achew22: I've been here. fix your inet

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achew22:

most likely

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EnterUserName:

where it automatically says recorded

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EnterUserName:

instead of recording the show

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EnterUserName:

anyone?

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achew22:

not many people use cvs

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EnterUserName:

oh bah

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xris:

achew22: you're the one who keeps leaving

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mchou:

xris: bingo!

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dscoular:

EnterUserName, I think I saw this last night on 0.19-fixes svn

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MikeJG:

I've posted my gamelist.xml at http://pastebin.ca/56099

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EnterUserName:

dscoular: has it been resolved... can u give me hte link where it talks about it?

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** EnterUserName pouts **

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EnterUserName:

i missed 24 and prison break!! :(

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xris:

mchou: maybe he left again

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EnterUserName:

Maybe I should install the official version :S

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mchou:

xris: if achew22 comes back tell him to check the irc logs. I'm going to dinner :)

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xris:

heh

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achew22:

thats a good idea

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xris:

achew22: lol

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dscoular:

EnterUserName, no I'm just saying I noticed that when I hit record during livetv then went to the "watch recordings" it was shown as recorded rather than recording.

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achew22:

tux racer ROCKS!

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** xris goes back to scanning 60 year old slides of his grandmother **

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** EnterUserName sighs **

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EnterUserName:

DAMN IT! i kne wi shouldn't have CVSED :)

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** EnterUserName remembers the term if it isnt broken dont fix it :) **

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achew22:

as long as you know what you did wrong

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dscoular:

I don't see genre and year in the example

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dscoular:

Is there a dtd for gamelist.xml ?

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MikeJG:

I don't see a dtd for gamelist.xml in the mythgame plugin source tree.

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dscoular:

EnterUserName, I haven't had a problem with shows not getting recorded with 0.19-fixes svn 9930

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dscoular:

MikeJG, I'll have a look

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SirPageno:

I would like to get some information about aspect ratios and the DisplaySize statement in xorg.conf

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MikeJG:

I've grepped the entire main source tree and the mythgame tree for "gamelist.xml" as a string that would be used for an IO command and don't see it anywhere. Is it possible that I've not configured the plugin correctly (PC Game Gameplayer)?

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SirPageno:

my issue is the pip seems to be in a widescreen aspect, but the main image is not,

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SirPageno:

i'm displaying on a 4:3 TV set

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achew22:

SirPageno it only takes into account what the card is sending

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dscoular:

MikeJG, have you tried this from the source... its almost identical to your one: http://pastebin.ca/56101

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achew22:

the pip has nothing to do with the aspect ratio of your tv

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achew22:

you can force 4:3

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EnterUserName:

im using 9932M

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achew22:

my appologies?

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SirPageno:

achew22, really...? I would like the pip aspect to be 4:3...

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dscoular:

EnterUserName, Is it repeatable, if so I'd create a ticket in trac.

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achew22:

yeah — it may screw with the aspect ratio of the non pip stream though

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achew22:

I beleive its under TV settings somewhere...

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SirPageno:

hmmm....

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EnterUserName:

umm

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EnterUserName:

ya i just schedule a show to record

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EnterUserName:

and it doesnt record

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SirPageno:

well, i'll have a look

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SirPageno:

thanks...

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EnterUserName:

just automatically points to Recorded :)

[02:10:13]

EnterUserName:

no problem

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SirPageno:

I did mess with the DisplaySize, and that didn't seem to help, just made the fonts smaller/larger in the menus

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dscoular:

EnterUserName, and you've looked through your backend log ?

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EnterUserName:

no

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** EnterUserName chuckles **

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EnterUserName:

where do i find that backend log?

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dscoular:

EnterUserName, okay don't create a ticket in trac till we've done some more research

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EnterUserName:

ohi wasnt going to

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dscoular:

EnterUserName, what o/s distro are you using ?

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EnterUserName:

Suse 10.1

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EnterUserName:

Offical Release

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dscoular:

Try "locate mythbackend.log"

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EnterUserName:

nope.

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EnterUserName:

letme do a f ind

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dscoular:

is there a /etc/init.d/mythbackend or somesuch ?

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EnterUserName:

no

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EnterUserName:

i just run mythbackend -d :)

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dscoular:

Ah... ok ^C your backend

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EnterUserName:

ok?

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EnterUserName:

erkok

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EnterUserName:

here dscolar lets go into a differnet channel so we dont flood

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achew22:

would someone help me with my air2pc card? I was setting up the frontend driver for my broadcom chip and the guy who was helping me dissapeared. would someone be willing ot help me out?

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achew22:

hrm

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MikeJG:

Do I need to enter the path and/or filename to my gamelist.xml on the Game Setup screen?

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achew22:

arg so frustrating

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achew22:

xris are you around?

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xris:

yup

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achew22:

hrm.... xris: my internet seems to be broken — i'm not getting messages from anyone in the channel....

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achew22:

sorry for ignoring you!

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SirPageno:

achew22 are you reading this?

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EnterUserName:

hey guys

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achew22:

SirPageno I'm looking on http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1 this page for what people are saying

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SirPageno:

omg...

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achew22:

i'll just switch boxes to a non broken irc client

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sneezer:

okay --- how is this?

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SirPageno:

hehe

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sneezer:

xris: would you be willing to help me in my ignorant time?

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xris:

sneezer: depends on what your problem is

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sneezer:

I don't have any idea on where to start with installing the firmware for my dvb card

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xris:

sneezer: oh, you're achew...

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sneezer:

it /var/log/messages it say "a frontend driver wasn't found for device 13d0/2103 subsystem 13d0/2103

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xris:

I have no idea. my air2pc never had any firmware to deal with

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sneezer:

xris, my ignore list went screwy and I was going crazy

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sneezer:

what version did you have?

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xris:

first gen, I think

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xris:

dunno, I got it free

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sneezer:

this is crazyness

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sneezer:

ohh — I had a question about lirc... I was looking in the same file and it said something interesting

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sneezer:

it said "i2c attach to card#0 ok [client=(tuner unset), addr=71)" and I was wondring if I needed to adjust my alises file to correct for that

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xris:

sneezer: might. I'm not the person to ask about this. Have you checked if Jarod's guide talks about air2pc stuff? shouldn't matter if you're not running fedora

[02:33:43]

EnterUserName:

hey xris

[02:33:48]

EnterUserName:

would changing back to the official version

[02:33:53]

EnterUserName:

from the cvs tree do anything?

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sneezer:

is that the myth-fedora guy?

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SirPageno:

Hey folks, I'm wondering about the DisplaySize setting in xorg.conf:

[02:35:03]

SirPageno:

I actually measured my TV screen, converted the inches to millimeters, and entered it

[02:35:28]

SirPageno:

the Live TV seemed fine, and most of the theme text seemed fine

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xris:

EnterUserName: yeah, your db would be all messed up

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sneezer:

xris, he links to a site at miami.edu — which is the tutorial that didn't make it work for me before

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SirPageno:

but when it displayed anything that used the Qt gui, the text was __really__ small

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sneezer:

xris, did you use that tutorial?

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EnterUserName:

OH BAH

[02:36:33]

xris:

sneezer: no, I predate it

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SirPageno:

my goal was to get my pip aspect ratio correct

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EnterUserName:

xris: do u know how good the latest cvs is now?

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sneezer:

xris, HA

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EnterUserName:

should i just kill my database?

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xris:

EnterUserName: no, my current checkout is about a week old

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EnterUserName:

hmm

[02:37:06]

EnterUserName:

ok

[02:37:12]

EnterUserName:

well i'll guess it couldnt' hurt to see :)

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SirPageno:

I'm running 9930, and it's a lot better than 0.19

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SirPageno:

at least for me

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emes:

xris: hey, did you see my problem with ffmpeg and mp4 output?

[02:38:02]

xris:

no

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emes:

nuvexport says my ffmpeg can't do mp4, do you know what use flag to enable in gentoo

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EnterUserName:

hmm

[02:38:47]

EnterUserName:

no changes :(

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xris:

emes: no clue

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xris:

ask kormoc when he comes back

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EnterUserName:

xris: darn :(

[02:39:51]

emes:

xris: <kormoc> donno

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emes:

<kormoc> but your ffmpeg should be good for it

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emes:

:)

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xris:

emes: then I'm no help

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emes:

xris: well, if the problem isn't with ffmpeg..

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emes:

how does nuvexport determine if ffmpeg is capable of it?

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xris:

emes: put the output from `ffmpeg -formats` in a pastebin

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xris:

actually, you could probably just paste `ffmpeg -formats | grep mp4`

[02:42:39]

emes:

http://pastebin.com/719934

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emes:

hmm, D probably means disabled

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emes:

though hmm

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emes:

lol

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xris:

D means decode

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xris:

E means encode

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emes:

well, then it looks fine

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dscoular:

emes, I think you need to re-emerge. Do an emerge -pv ffmpeg

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sphing:

lol... emes you were way off

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xris:

only one mp4 listing?

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sphing:

ha

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emes:

xris: that's what i got from ffmpeg -formats | grep mp4

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emes:

dscoular: what would that accomplish?

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dscoular:

I could compare it with mine

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dscoular:

[ebuild R ] media-video/ffmpeg-0.4.9_p20051216 -a52* -aac* (-altivec) -debug -doc +dts +encode -ieee1394* +imlib -mmx* -network* +ogg +oss +sdl -test -theora* -threads* +truetype -v4l* +vorbis +xvid +zlib 1,679 kB

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xris:

emes: sorry, missed the pastebin url

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EnterUserName:

hrm

[02:48:39]

EnterUserName:

bah

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dscoular:

The ones with asterisks are what I turned on

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EnterUserName:

my database must have been corrupt or something oh well

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emes:

http://pastebin.com/719934

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xris:

emes: looks like there's a problem with nuvexport's detection stuff.. it's seeing the first mp4 with no E and then stopping

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xris:

emes: which exporter are you trying to use?

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xris:

(my ffmpeg shows the same info)

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emes:

i want to try the ipod exporter

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xris:

emes: odd, I use that one a lot and it works fine for me.

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xris:

emes: latest svn copy of nuvexport and mythtv .19?

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emes:

well, i have a big "(disabled)"

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xris:

emes: and what does it tell you when you select the ipod option?

[02:51:43]

emes:

nuvexport 0.3_pre20060424

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emes:

Your ffmpeg installation doesn't support encoding to mp4 file formats.

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emes:

mythtv .19

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emes:

hmm

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emes:

https://svn.forevermore.net/nuvexport/ticket/106

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emes:

that might be it

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xris:

emes: hahaha... looks like my error checking doesn't work so well...

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xris:

try this: nuvexport --ffmpeg --mode ipod

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xris:

that seems to bypass the errors, and is why I never saw the problem in my own install

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EnterUserName:

hey all

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EnterUserName:

What episode of 24 was it

[02:54:47]

EnterUserName:

21

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EnterUserName:

or 20?

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emes:

there are 2 left

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sneezer:

in grub, how do you refer to ide cable 1's slave drive?

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sneezer:

is that hd1?

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emes:

xris: that seems to do the trick

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xris:

emes: new version up in a sec to fix the issue

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cliffd:

can anyone recommend a distro to use?

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emes:

haha

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cliffd:

im having way to many problems with gentoo

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xris:

cliffd: what are you most familiar with

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cliffd:

xris: gentoo

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dscoular:

sneezer, depends how your numbering cables. (hd0,0) is master on first cable, (hd0,1) is slave on first cable, (hd1,0) is master in second cable, (hd1,1) is slave on second cable.

[02:59:07]

** emes has gentoo working fine **

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dscoular:

* hearts gentoo

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cliffd:

emes: amd64 by chance?

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xris:

cliffd: gentoo's supposed to be pretty easy for gentoo users... chances are you won't like using another distro since gentoo is so different...

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** cliffd harts gentoo also. **

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emes:

cliffd: close, a sempron :)

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xris:

cliffd: kormoc (who will be around later) runs 64 bit intel.

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cliffd:

xris: thanks. He has helped me before.

[03:00:24]

cliffd:

emes: I cant for the life of me get a certain perl mod to compile from emerge

[03:00:26]

cliffd:

or anywhere else.

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xris:

you don't need perl for mythtv

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cliffd:

er, sorry for xmltv

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cliffd:

its emerging as a req

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** pickler is away: bbl **

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SirPageno:

cliffd do you know what perl mod you are trying to get installed?

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cliffd:

extutils-parsexs

[03:04:41]

cliffd:

http://pastebin.ca/56122

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dscoular:

cliffd, are you using CPAN to get it ?

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SirPageno:

i don't know how it will effect your port tree, but you could try to use 'perl -MCPAN -e shell'

[03:04:54]

cliffd:

no, emerge.

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SirPageno:

and install it manually

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cliffd:

yeah, thats what I was going to try last

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SirPageno:

I just installed xmltv by hand on my slackware distro...

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cliffd:

and it went well?

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SirPageno:

it required a whole lot of perl mods that i didn't have

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dscoular:

mkdir /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.7/Module: Permission denied at /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.7/ExtUtils/Install.pm line 176

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SirPageno:

took a while,,,, just to get channel icons...

[03:05:53]

dscoular:

extutils-parsexs is optional methinks

[03:06:38]

cliffd:

dscoular: yeah it is. I just can it then.

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EnterUserName:

damnit

[03:06:47]

EnterUserName:

now i cant get all mys tations :)

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dscoular:

cliffd, I think its coz Build.pl is horrible for relocations and the ebuild isn't calling it right.

[03:07:37]

dscoular:

The build phase should install into the sandbox but Build.pl is ignoring it

[03:07:52]

dscoular:

>>> Install module-build-0.25 into /var/tmp/portage/module-build-0.25/image/ category dev-perl

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dscoular:

Build.PL is a pain

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EnterUserName:

hi all

[03:08:43]

EnterUserName:

im getting getcwd cannot access parent directories

[03:08:49]

EnterUserName:

when running mythfilldatabase

[03:08:58]

EnterUserName:

any ideasw hat could be causing it

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dscoular:

EnterUserName, sounds like you removed the directory in another window while sitting in it

[03:09:39]

EnterUserName:

um

[03:09:39]

EnterUserName:

no

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dscoular:

EnterUserName, just a wild guess (no sarcasm)

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EnterUserName:

nods

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mchou:

damn, my PC is burning yup

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EnterUserName:

ya not he directory is definetly there

[03:09:53]

EnterUserName:

its mythfilldatabase

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EnterUserName:

thats saying it

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EnterUserName:

while its running

[03:10:06]

EnterUserName:

cannot access parent directories :S

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EnterUserName:

oh i see the problem

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EnterUserName:

mythbacxkend -d wasn't running :)

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SirPageno:

EnterUserName, what do you get if you type 'pwd' at the same prompt?

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SirPageno:

er nevermind

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** EnterUserName nods **

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keescook:

I'm using ubuntu breezy, and commflag is failing: /usr/bin/mythcommflag: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3: undefined symbol: _ZN6QTimer7met`ObjE

[03:11:32]

EnterUserName:

i dont know why but hey thats a wierd message :)

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keescook:

anyone seen anything like that?

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keescook:

I installed from the TheHunter.ws apt repository...

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dscoular:

mythcommflag is not linked against a matching libqt-mt methinks.

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keescook:

hm

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EnterUserName:

hi

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EnterUserName:

what would cause you not to hbe able ot see all channels

[03:13:40]

EnterUserName:

past 13

[03:13:42]

EnterUserName:

with mythtv?

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EnterUserName:

it was working fine before.

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EnterUserName:

let me see if it worksi n windows

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EnterUserName:

bah

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EnterUserName:

this is really wierd

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EnterUserName:

ok it definetely works in windows

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EnterUserName:

and it was working before is there any settings that would cause mythtv only work for the first 15statoins or so?

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cliffd:

dscoular: so you think I can just leave out parsexs and module-build ?

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sneezer:

mchou, are you around?

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tom7e:

is ivtv not on atrpms right now?

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achew22:

would someone be willing ot help me setup the firmware on my air2pc card?

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EnterUserName:

anyone?

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emes:

xris: any reason why my show is 133% transcoded to ipod format and still going? :)

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achew22:

EnterUserName, rescan you channels.....

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EnterUserName:

umm

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achew22:

emes, thats a new one...

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emes:

processed: 96737 of 70668 frames (136.89%), 62.41 fps

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EnterUserName:

achew22: i rescanned bya ccident

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EnterUserName:

but im using ivtv

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EnterUserName:

last time i never had to do a rescan

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EnterUserName:

i just loaded it from the lsiting

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tom7e:

i was able to get firmware, firmware-audio, and ivtv-kmdl off of atrpms but not ivtv itself :(

[03:21:34]

achew22:

so... just .... load it again....

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achew22:

clear the list

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achew22:

then reload from listings

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EnterUserName:

hmm

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EnterUserName:

i think i did that

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EnterUserName:

how do u clear the list?

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EnterUserName:

oh another question for future times if i have digital cable

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EnterUserName:

how do i setup mythtv-backend to blast the digital cable wheni wanna record at a specifidtime

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EnterUserName:

can u?

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achew22:

yes...

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achew22:

I hate doing this — but google irblaster and mythtv

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EnterUserName:

thats fine ill look for it later just need to know i can do it :)

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defaultro:

evening guys

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achew22:

evenin

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achew22:

defaultro you have an air2pc card right?

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EnterUserName:

wow mythfilldataqbase works better

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ftp3:

how can i tell which version of mythtv i am running from the GUI? (i installed with knoppmyth. but i cannot remember which version it was

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EnterUserName:

umm

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EnterUserName:

i think its mythbackend --version

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EnterUserName:

no?

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SirPageno:

go to information center, then system status

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ftp3:

yes, that was it, thanks

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** EnterUserName cant wait till try his digital cable **

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EnterUserName:

Can you set yer channels for digital cable in mythtv too?

[03:31:16]

EnterUserName:

using the same zap it

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EnterUserName:

cuz right now its set up for normal cable :s

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SirPageno:

i have a 4:3 tv, and 2 tuner cards receiving 4:3 video, but my pip appears in widescreen while main screen is fine, anybody got any suggestions?

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defaultro:

achew22, yes, air2pc. Sorry, I was cleaning my room

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EnterUserName:

finally

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EnterUserName:

everything is working :)

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[R]:

i've been grepping around the source and can't figure it out, what is the "name" column used for in the channel table?

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coshx:

okay, i got the tv tuner working with the following command, but still no audio in mythtv – do you think there's a bug?

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coshx:

mplayer tv://33 -tv driver=v4l2:device=/dev/video0:chanlist=us-cable:amode=1:adevice=/dev/dsp1:audio rate=32000:volume=100:immediatemode=0:norm=NTSC -ao alsa:device=default

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ftp3:

i have knoppmyth running, but for some reason it will not play some avi's.. they will play on windows.. so i know they are good.. are there some debian avi drivers I need? (some avis play fine)

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UBL:

you need the codecs

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ftp3:

i thought i had em all.. how do I find the ones i am missing?

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UBL:

play it from the console and see the error output

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SirPageno:

ftp3, probably just get the 'essential codecs package' from the mplayer website

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ftp3:

thanks

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SirPageno:

i have a 4:3 tv, and 2 tuner cards receiving 4:3 video, but my pip appears in widescreen while main screen is fine, anybody got any suggestions?

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ftp3:

where does the "internal" video player store its codecs?

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UBL:

maybe /usr/lib/win32

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defaultro:

hey guys, would this cause an issue? 5: 2217510 XT-PIC bttv0, bt878

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defaultro:

video and audio capture using the same IRQ?

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ftp3:

i am running knoppmyth and when i try and install mplayer, i get this: mplayer-586: Depends: libdirectfb-0.9–20 but it is not installable

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ftp3:

i googled it, but all the pages are for ubuntu.. has anyone else had this issue?

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defaultro:

hey guys, my friend is building a mythtv. I told him the hdtv tuners cards I'm using. But looks like he still want to go with pchdtv 5000. Will it work in myth?

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mchou:

defaultro: sure, why not?

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

i'll just tell him that it's ok

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mchou:

defaultro: tell him to buy a Fusion

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mchou:

cheaper

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defaultro:

i told him but he insist on his own

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mchou:

same features

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defaultro:

i don't know what's wrong wiith my friend

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defaultro:

i even told him to buy avermedia

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mchou:

nah, avermedia probably doesnt work :)

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defaultro:

prolly pride, LOL

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defaultro:

he wants to setup his own without needing help from me :)

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mchou:

it's his money

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defaultro:

hey, can you help me with analog audio. Suddenly, no analog sound is being recorded

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mchou:

tell him to send some extra over here :)

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defaultro:

exactly :D

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mchou:

who records analog any more?

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mchou:

that's so over with

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mchou:

:)

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defaultro:

i still do for my kids

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defaultro:

that's the only way i can record cartoon network

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mchou:

tell your kids to get with it :)

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defaultro:

lol

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defaultro:

suddently, it stopped working

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mchou:

them them analog is "uncool"

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mchou:

it stopped working cause somebody messed w/ the mixer

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mchou:

only explanation

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

i played with mixer the other day but no success

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defaultro:

what i found out is that, snd_bt87x was not loaded

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defaultro:

i loaded it but still no sound

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mchou:

lol

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defaultro:

but i haven't done the mixer yet after this module

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defaultro:

i'm tryin gnow

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defaultro:

capture in alsamixer is still on

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defaultro:

is that the one i should be looking at?

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mchou:

capture and whatever "line" you use

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defaultro:

still no sound, frick :(

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Netslayer:

i'm still getting this compile error from svn "../../libs/libmythtv/libmythtv-0.19.so: undefined reference to `dvdnav_get_serial_number'"

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Netslayer:

i emerged libdvdnav.. do I need to clean out the build dir.. or something?

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d3ity:

hey all

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d3ity:

got a few questions about setting up my PVR-150 for mythtv

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d3ity:

I've followed the guide fairly closley, and I'm trying to use mythtv-setup to configure my backend.

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d3ity:

I can't seem to get it to recognize my PVR-150 on /dev/video0

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d3ity:

is there another place it could be hiding? and/or is there anything I pehraps forgot to modprobe, i've got bttv already probed.

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coshx:

d3ity: are the permissions set appropriately on /dev/video0 (and wherever that symlink points)? ls -l /dev/video* /dev/v4l/video*

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mchou:

d3ity: bttv has nothing to do w/ ivtv

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mchou:

and if you lready have bttv card, the ivtv card sure aint /dev/video0

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mchou:

probably more like /dev/video[n] where n>1 :)

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d3ity:

coshx, perms appear to be set, I have this line...

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d3ity:

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 2006-05–07 09:24 /dev/video -> video0

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

that the link perm

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coshx:

is that a circular link?

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mchou:

nothin to do with the actual device perm

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d3ity:

crw-rw---- 1 root video 81, 0 2003-03–09 12:28 /dev/video0

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d3ity:

thats the next line

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d3ity:

the only one that deals with video0

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coshx:

d3ity: when you type 'groups' are you in the video group?

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d3ity:

yep.

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coshx:

ok, then not a perms issue :)

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d3ity:

tell me of this ivtv

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d3ity:

I seem to rember needing to do something with that last time I setup myth

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laga_:

well, you probably need to install it.

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WAR_CH|LD:

does anyone know ehre mythtv stores its fonts?

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WAR_CH|LD:

ehre = where

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d3ity:

ivtv is giving me issues upon make, I'm using the latest version and kernel 2.6.16.14

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Agrajag-:

WAR_CH|LD: where'd you get the idea that mythtv has it's own fonts?

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WAR_CH|LD:

because the mythburn install script is asking for it.

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WAR_CH|LD:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythBurn . . . hBurn_script

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WAR_CH|LD:

and when I run the ./install.sh the 2nd q asked is

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d3ity:

ivtvfbctl.c:36:29: linux/videodev2.h: No such file or directory

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d3ity:

<- anyone?

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WAR_CH|LD:

./usr/local/share/mythtv/

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WAR_CH|LD:

found it. :P

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sean33:

i cant seem to connect to the tunners have just upgraded ivtv seems to be loading ok in the dmesg but not working :(

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RandomDude15:

I need help.

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RandomDude15:

mythtv keeps freezing.

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RandomDude15:

for me.

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RandomDude15:

im running arch linux.

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sean33:

what card ivtv version ?

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sean33:

there was a freezing issue with an earlier version of ivtv

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RandomDude15:

i dont think its the card but ati tv wonder pro

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RandomDude15:

it worked fine before.

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RandomDude15:

picture quality wasnt the best but it worked.

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RandomDude15:

i plan on getting a PVR 150 soon.

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RandomDude15:

mythtv just runs slow in general for me.

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RandomDude15:

it didn't before.

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WAR_CH|LD:

cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@mythburn.cvs.sourceforge.net :/cvsroot/mythburn checkout mythburn

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WAR_CH|LD:

w00ps

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WAR_CH|LD:

sorry

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d3ity:

can someone help me out with ivtv?

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d3ity:

got a compile issue.

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sean33:

helps if you explain what your issue is

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d3ity:

sean33, done it a few times. ivtvfbctl.c:36:29: linux/videodev2.h: No such file or directory, using kernel 2.6.16.14

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sean33:

what version of ivtv ?

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d3ity:

0.6.2

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d3ity:

the videodev2.h file is under /usr/src/linux/include/videodev2.h

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RandomDude15:

when I try to do some things

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RandomDude15:

in myth

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RandomDude15:

it just freezes

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d3ity:

sean33, suggestions?

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sean33:

yea

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d3ity:

care to share?

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sean33:

d33ity, videodev2.h was mentioned in the change log at version 0.6.0 , make sure your kernels source is the same as the running kernel

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Netslayer:

can someone help me with svn.. it's not compiling

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Netslayer:

i'm still getting this compile error from svn "../../libs/libmythtv/libmythtv-0.19.so: undefined reference to `dvdnav_get_serial_number'"

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d3ity:

same as the running kernel? uname -a yields the same as the source linked to /usr/src/linux

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Netslayer:

in dir mythtv/programs/mythtv regards to libs/libmythtv/DVDRingBuffer.h

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sean33:

d3ity i dont know but probbaly may find a soultion with in ivtv forum or faq

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RandomDude15:

sean33, any idea why mythtv gives me a black picture and no sound?

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d3ity:

sean33, i've read the faq, couldn't find it anywhere, care to point me to thier forum?

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RandomDude15:

tvtime works just fine

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RandomDude15:

not the best quality but it works

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sean33:

d3ity, have you got the right kernel source installed ?

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sean33:

have you configured myth to talk to your video device ?

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sean33:

->RandomDude

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d3ity:

sean33, myth won't talk to my video device without ivtv so I thought, i have a PVR-150

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RandomDude15:

yeah.

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d3ity:

myth doesn't recognize inputs on /dev/video*

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RandomDude15:

I put /dev/v4l/video0

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sean33:

d3ity, yea sorry i was talkin to Random

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RandomDude15:

thats not my only program though, it crashes when I try to do stuff like look at the recordings

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RandomDude15:

well not crahses

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d3ity:

oh, sorry, missed that, and yes, my kernel source is linked properly, I store it in /root/linux-2.6.16.14, my /usr/src/linux symlink points to that directory

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RandomDude15:

but the whole program slows down

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ftp3:

has anyone else had this problem "mplayer-586: Depends: libdirectfb-0.9–20 but it is not installable" on knoppmyth?

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RandomDude15:

and I have to kill the process

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sean33:

RandomDude15, umm what os i would think its /dev/video0

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RandomDude15:

arch

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sean33:

RandomDude15, no idea

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sean33:

RandomDude15, check the mythbackend logs for errors

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RandomDude15:

k.

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RandomDude15:

where do I find those at?

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sean33:

try "locate mythbackend.log" usualy in /var/log/mythtv/

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RandomDude15:

found it

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RandomDude15:

ill pastebin it

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RandomDude15:

for you

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RandomDude15:

ill have to upload it

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RandomDude15:

dont feel like copying n pasting 4MB of tex

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** d3ity ughs **

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sean33:

i dont want you log

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sean33:

Randomdude15 read it yourself

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RandomDude15:

ok.

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sean33:

Randomdude15 when you find an error try googleing it

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RandomDude15:

ok thanks.

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ftp3:

what is the built in video player using? it will only play some of my avi files

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sean33:

default is mplayer

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sean33:

try ivtv 0.6.2 ?

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ftp3:

well, i screwed up my mplayer, so i am sure its not using that

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sean33:

its using what ever you set it to use in the configuration

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ftp3:

i set it to "internal"

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ftp3:

what does ivtv do?

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sean33:

ftp3 , i was not speaking to you

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sean33:

ftp3 , ivtv is the video device drivers

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ftp3:

oh :-)

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d3ity:

:( ivtv hates me.

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d3ity:

thats what it does.

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Netslayer:

why won't this compile :-/

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d3ity:

Netslayer, asking the same question

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Netslayer:

i'm just trying to compile svn

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d3ity:

I'm trying to get ivtv to work

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Netslayer:

i'm getting an undefined reference to ths new libdvdnav stuff

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d3ity:

but so far, no one seems to know anything regarding this...ivtv

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Netslayer:

ugg i wish my c++ wasn't so rusty

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d3ity:

Netslayer, mine's quite fresh...anything I could possibly help with?

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d3ity:

sean33, I got past that one error. here's what i got now

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d3ity:

http://pastebin.com/720103

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Netslayer:

i'm missing a header or something

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Netslayer:

i'm still getting this compile error from svn "../../libs/libmythtv/libmythtv-0.19.so: undefined reference to `dvdnav_get_serial_number'"

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Netslayer:

in dir mythtv/programs/mythtv regards to libs/libmythtv/DVDRingBuffer.h

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d3ity:

hrm... yeah, i'd say so. if you can dig through the libs and find the dvdnav_get_serial_number function...that would be what you'd need to #include

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d3ity:

but I'd definatley have to dig through the code to find it.

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Netslayer:

d3ity, should that be in myth code or in the libdvdnav code installed separately?

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Netslayer:

http://pastebin.com/720111

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d3ity:

my *guess* is that its somewhere in libmythdvdnav

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d3ity:

idk, I am but a humble sophomore in the world of computer science.

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d3ity:

basically, you just need to dig up that dvdnav_get_serial_number function/pointer

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d3ity:

since libmythtv-0.19.so needs to have that function defined somewhere.

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d3ity:

ivtv anyone? help?

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d3ity:

http://pastebin.com/720103

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Netslayer:

d3ity, i graduated with my cs, just not a c++ coder. i'll play with it

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octan:

hi

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octan:

im trying to compile mythplugins.. but i keep on getting this error...

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octan:

http://pastebin.com/720131

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octan:

can someone take a look

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DGnome:

octan: you are missing libGL apparently

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octan:

hmm thats od

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octan:

i got nvidia drivers installed.

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DGnome:

and games work?

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octan:

yes

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DGnome:

omg

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octan:

americans army plays fine

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DGnome:

see what libraries that uses, 'ldd /path/to/americas/army

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octan:

but i think it uses linGLmesa .. not 100% sure tho. i instlled the nvidia driver from kubuntus "dapper" repo

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octan:

libGL1-mesa

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octan:

hmm

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DGnome:

umm, why not just use the nvidia-installer and be happy? :)

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DGnome:

let it do that beautiful voodoo for you ^^

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octan:

let me go to #kubuntu. and ask why they have this mesa crap as libGL

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DGnome:

good job

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DGnome:

:)

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xris:

octan: you definitely didn't pull nvidia from kubuntu's repository.. it's in multiverse, not part of the official distro (can't be, it's a gpl violation)

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octan:

xris yes i did..

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octan:

i even get that nvidia logo when i boot up,..and my driver is set to nvidia,.. not nv

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octan:

xris its libmesa thats screwing things up

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xris:

octan: yes. kubuntu can pull from multiverse just fine. maybe it even enables it by default

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octan:

xris, the driver from "dapper" rebo the libGL is based on libmesa. mesa is a free implemetion of GL

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octan:

i alo aked in #nvidia.. and libGLm-mesa isnt near as good as the one nvidia provide

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xris:

octan: right... just means that ubuntu's nvidia package is missing a path setting or something.

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octan:

hehe,, imo it meas that the developer that is responseble for the nvidia driver suxz :P

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xris:

that would only be the case if everyone had that issue. I didn't even have that problem when I was running ubuntu with that same repository

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octan:

dapper?

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octan:

im runiing dapper tho

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xris:

still the same drivers... though I was running breezy. I run fedora now.. ubuntu just rubbed me the wrong way.

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d3ity:

hey all, question for you guys.

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d3ity:

I've got mythtv running, everything appears to work, except I cannot get any channels, just a black screen

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octan:

xris hehe tryed fedora core,, didnt like it.. but libGl != libGL-mesa btw

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xris:

d3ity: what kind of tuner card?

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d3ity:

xris, PVR-150

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xris:

d3ity: can you cat the device and get an mpg file?

[07:26:22]

d3ity:

xris, yeah, but I cant get a channel on the thing.

[07:26:31]

d3ity:

Just more black static.

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d3ity:

so basically, everything appears to work...ivtv appears to load fine, but I have no channels that come in at all.

[07:28:26]

d3ity:

so...what would you suggest?

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xris:

d3ity: frequency table mismatch?

[07:30:16]

d3ity:

xris, ...what exactly would that mean?

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xris:

you're in the US, right? have datadirect set up?

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d3ity:

yeah, US, datadirect, all that noise.

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d3ity:

like, I scan for channels... and it pops up all the usual suspects

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xris:

you shouldn't need to scan for channels

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xris:

make sure your listings setup is for us-cable (assuming you're using cable) and that your datadirect channel listings are loaded

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d3ity:

ok, trying that now, redoing the whole config

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Netslayer:

svn won't compile: http://pastebin.com/720161

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sean33:

sorry had to go buy a suit , am back now

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d3ity:

ok, I try doing "Fetch Channels from Listing Source" under input connections

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d3ity:

and I don't think its quite bieng effective

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sean33:

d3ity , yea sounds like you dont have the tuner setup properly

[07:35:38]

d3ity:

sean33, perhaps

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xris:

Netslayer: looks like you need libdvdnav

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Netslayer:

i have it installed, just emerged it last night

[07:36:09]

xris:

Netslayer: maybe clear ccache?

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Netslayer:

[ebuild R ] media-libs/libdvdnav-0.1.1

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sean33:

d3ity , check your options for the card make sure your getting the right tuner , card type ect

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Netslayer:

xris, don't think i'm using ccache.. how would I clear that anyway?

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sean33:

d3ity , modprobe options for ivtv

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d3ity:

ok, sweet.

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xris:

Netslayer: rm -rf ~/.ccache

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d3ity:

now I have picture and whatnot and this brings me much joy

[07:37:34]

Netslayer:

nope not using that

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sean33:

d3ity , read /usr/share/doc/ivtv-0.6.2/modules.txt

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d3ity:

however, I noticed...I'm missing a few very important channels, is there a way to manually add a single channel that is skipped? specifically channel 39?

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xris:

Netslayer: no clue, then

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xris:

it compiles for me without it, so not sure.

[07:38:13]

xris:

anyway, I need to sleep.. catch you all tomorrow.

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Netslayer:

ltr

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d3ity:

sean33, I got ivtv working finally

[07:39:14]

d3ity:

thanks to some dumb luck and fully removing any trace of 2.4 series kernels

[07:40:27]

sean33:

d3ity , what was it ?

[07:41:29]

d3ity:

sean33, and old copy of videodev.h was holding me back

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d3ity:

had to copy it over from my kernel source tree to /usr/include/linux

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** d3ity shrugs **

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d3ity:

anyway...adding a channel?

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sean33:

d3ity , umm isnt that what i said earlier , kernal source

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sean33:

d3ity , no matter good to hear

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d3ity:

yeah, apparently it didn't get copied over from the compile...strange huh

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d3ity:

it should have replaced the older videodev*.h stuff

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d3ity:

but it didn't

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RaYmAn-Bx:

it shouldn't. You aren't supposed to just randomly change the files in /usr/include/linux..It can cause problems

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d3ity:

ahh, tricky..

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d3ity:

figured out how to add a channel

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d3ity:

wow, i'm really impressed... channels are coming in very very clear

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sean33:

d3ity , digital ?

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d3ity:

only thing is, i'm not getting channel listing data for this channel

[07:47:30]

d3ity:

sean33, nope.

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sean33:

d3ity , whats your card ?

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d3ity:

PVR 150

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sean33:

d3ity , right same here im using 2 of them

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d3ity:

sean33, its a nifty little card.

[07:48:25]

d3ity:

I like the thing.

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sean33:

d3ity , well i was untill i upgraded the kernel yesterday and have nothing but dramma now

[07:48:44]

d3ity:

when I was at college and had this box running myth, comcast just kept giving me crap reception

[07:49:02]

d3ity:

but RCN is doing alright for the important things....the important things bieng...adult swim

[07:50:23]

sean33:

i dont know whats going on here ivtv seems to be reconising the card in the messages , but myth just isnt connecting , mind you i had this all working before on earlier version on ivtv

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d3ity:

sean33, I'm going through and tweaking some settings... for Preferred mpeg2 decoder...what should I set? Standard? or Libmpeg

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sean33:

standard

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sean33:

d3ity , did you setup your card type in the modprobe.conf or are you just letting it autoconfig ?

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d3ity:

letting it go on its own

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sean33:

hmmm maybe i will give that a go ...

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d3ity:

seems fine to me.

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defaultro:

mchou?

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sean33:

i dont seem to have a lirc_i2c module in this kernel maybe ive missed an option in rebuilding lirc

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d3ity:

hrm.

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sean33:

i had this module in the last kernel .. wierd wonder why it hasent built

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d3ity:

sean33, oh, the kernel developers probably renamed it 3000 times

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d3ity:

they tend to do that...ever wonder why the ATI drivers never worked for more than the halflife of a stable kernel release?

[08:03:54]

d3ity:

wow...holy crap its 4 am already

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sean33:

lol 6pm here

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d3ity:

heh, I've gotta go to class in about...oh...say...6 hours

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d3ity:

no rest for the wicked eh

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sean33:

what are you studing ?

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sean33:

or teaching ?

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d3ity:

sean33, I'm taking summer classes at the moment, I'm a computer science major at Penn State

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sean33:

oh right well that makes sence :)

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d3ity:

I got killed in math last semester, so I'm retaking Math 140, Engineering Calculu

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d3ity:

*calculus

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sean33:

eww how fun

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d3ity:

yeah, its oh so very fun

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d3ity:

hrm...what else can I play with tonight...I guess I could get TV-out working

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d3ity:

oh, yeah, and figure out where my channel listings for the channel I added are. That would be nice

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** stuarta wakes up **

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DGnome:

:o

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cs-cam:

are there many HDTV cards that are really well supported in linux?

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cs-cam:

it seems best support comes from ivtv or bttv which are for analogue cards

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DGnome:

cs-cam: afaik, most of them seem to work

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DGnome:

cs-cam: if they are supported :)

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cs-cam:

DGnome: and i'll need 2 cards if i want to watch & record at once

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cs-cam:

do i just use a little splitter box to get an antannae to each card?

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DGnome:

mmh, depending on hardware

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cs-cam:

dual-tuner cards aside

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DGnome:

you are in the US?

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cs-cam:

australia

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cs-cam:

PAL not NTSC

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DGnome:

aussie, okay

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DGnome:

dunno about your stuff

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DGnome:

ordinary DVB or ATSC stuff? :)

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cs-cam:

i've got a FusionHDTV DVB-T card in another computer that works under linux

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DGnome:

mkay

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stuarta:

DGnome: it's ordinary dvb

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cs-cam:

but it doesn't have a hardware mpeg2 encoder so i'd need to use the cpu and i'm looking at building a pretty cheap system

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stuarta:

cs-cam: you don't need a hardware mpeg encoder for hdtv, it's already mpeg

[08:57:29]

cs-cam:

stuarta: really? thats neat then

[08:57:41]

stuarta:

yep :)

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DGnome:

we likes the digital

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cs-cam:

well by cheap system i'm building a celeron D-based system

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cs-cam:

that should have enough grunt to do a bit of work anyway

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stuarta:

it should manage recording. no hope whatsoever of playback

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cs-cam:

what about with a video card or tv card doing the decoding?

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stuarta:

then you are into XVmc which only assists in decoding.

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DGnome:

my s754 2.0GHz clawhammer amd64 is allmost not enough for deinterlacing 1080i30 mpeg2

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stuarta:

Rumours some of the epia boards can just about manage it.

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ivor:

stuarta: rumous? bah.

[09:00:22]

stuarta:

I've not seen it, so it's a rumour :-P

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DGnome:

:)

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stuarta:

ivor: share your wisdom!

[09:00:46]

ivor:

stuarta: reliable source not good enough for you?

[09:00:55]

ivor:

stuarta: I have done several times.

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** stuarta decides it's no longer a rumour **

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ivor:

I've had a 1Ghz Pro doing 1080i

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ivor:

about 60% cpu.

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stuarta:

we should put something on the wiki saying which hardware will cope....

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ivor:

really must get some of these test hd feeds working so I can test properly.

[09:03:25]

stuarta:

sent a test stream to the ffmpeg guys for testing last night.

[09:04:09]

stuarta:

it's using interlaced h264 vid, which ffmpeg can't cope with atm.

[09:05:42]

stuarta:

but other than that, myth will happily record it :)

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stuarta:

though any attempt to look at it will crash things (due to ffmpeg probs)

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Juski:

morning all

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stuarta:

morning Juski

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Merlin83b:

Morning

[09:09:08]

Juski:

finally got svn compiled last night – probably try it out tonight

[09:09:32]

Juski:

my old 3dfx card still works – so at least the system stays up long enough now ;-)

[09:09:40]

Merlin83b:

I'm so out of date on SVN. Really should do a diff of my changes and then update and see about re applying them.

[09:09:47]

Merlin83b:

Silly being busy with other stuff.

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Merlin83b:

This the one for the demo, Juski?

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Juski:

it just dawned on me last night that I've agreed to speak in public (doh!)... haven't done that since I got married

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Juski:

Merlin83b: basically, but I'm tempted to trash my windows machine & use that instead (it's much faster)

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Merlin83b:

Faster is good to impress the plebs ;-)

[09:11:25]

Juski:

indeed

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stuarta:

crap damn zero byte records....

[09:13:19]

Juski:

faster is good for compiling too

[09:13:38]

Merlin83b:

True, not that I would know about that :-)

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stuarta:

my GF is officially a myth jinx!

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Merlin83b:

Hehe

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stuarta:

every single time I tell her I'm recording that, it craps out.

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Juski:

stuarta: heh

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Juski:

everytime my wife adds a recording herself it conflicts with something

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stuarta:

the rest of the time it works perfectly, even on the bleeding edge...

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Merlin83b:

My girlfriend loves it and gets along with it fine :-)

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Juski:

but for some reason it always takes precedence.. priority wise I mean

[09:15:14]

Merlin83b:

She knows how to use the priority system :-)

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Juski:

like hey! I scheduled that before you – stop it!

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stuarta:

my GF's never used it, it's just when I tell her about the show i'm recording...

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Juski:

Merlin83b: no she doesn't – it just seems that newer schedules take precedence

[09:15:56]

Merlin83b:

She tells you she doesn't, anyway :-)

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stuarta:

partly my fault, played with card priorities & eit-branch simultaneously.

[09:16:09]

Juski:

stuarta: oops

[09:16:35]

Juski:

stuarta: seen the discussion on the users list about BBC HD1?

[09:16:55]

stuarta:

nope. SNR is bad on -users so I don't read it.

[09:17:02]

ivor:

ditto

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ivor:

waaay too much traffic.

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Merlin83b:

Care to summarise for us, Juski?

[09:17:20]

Juski:

I just read the archives

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stuarta:

but, sent a test sample captured from BBC HD to ffmpeg ppl for fixing.

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hashbang:

oh, I ran into a little buglet in 0.19 last night

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Juski:

someone has managed to play a stream using a DLL from a non-free player

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stuarta:

we can currently record them :)

[09:18:17]

stuarta:

just no play them back

[09:19:03]

Juski:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/203692

[09:19:08]

hashbang:

prorgramme A padded by 3 minutes at the beginning, 5 mins at the end. Programme B starts after programme A. 2 Tuners present, second tuner not in use. Programme B was recorded using tuner recording Prog A, even though it could have used the second tuner. Result was last 5 minutes of prog A at the beginning of Prog B's recording.

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stuarta:

Juski: that first message is what I was talking about with my cx88 card yesterday

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Juski:

oops – seems I was wrong about someone actually managing to play it back..

[09:20:54]

Juski:

stuarta: bugger. I was hoping to not have to upgrade my kit. I've got 3 of those cards!

[09:21:06]

Juski:

I only actually use two though

[09:21:46]

stuarta:

everyone's is different. can't hurt to try...

[09:22:11]

Juski:

true.

[09:22:31]

Juski:

I was planning to have a trip to London this summer ;-)

[09:22:33]

stuarta:

I may add a bug to trac to stop others....

[09:23:01]

Juski:

dunno if walthamstow is out of range though – probably is

[09:23:47]

stuarta:

that might be on alexandra palace.

[09:25:35]

Juski:

seems I have a codec that'll play it back – one thread suggests mainconcept support MBAFF

[09:27:44]

Juski:

be nice though, to get an idea of how much grunt my box will need – I'll have to budget for that as well as a proper 1080 resolution set

[09:31:25]

stuarta:

right. ticket done, pre-emptive strike on useless tickets in trac....

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Merlin83b:

Good luck with that :-)

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stuarta:

I know it's not going to work, but at least we can close silly ones with duplicate...

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sean33:

ok !

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stuarta:

?!?

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sean33:

seems i needed to rerun the mythtv-setup , for the new kernel ?

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sean33:

wierd

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octan:

howdy all.. i just finished installing mythtv with out any error.. however, when i try running mythtv-setup i get this error mythtv-setup: error while loading shared libraries: libmythtv-0.19.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or director

[09:45:03]

octan:

i checked in /usr/local/lib and the files are there

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sean33:

new version of ivtv is now giving me a tv signal only has sound on one channel which is odd

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stuarta:

octan: is /usr/local/lib in /etc/ld.so.conf?

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octan:

stuarta, ops..

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octan:

:D

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octan:

thxz for reminding me :)

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sean33:

ok sound comes on a big delay after changing channel

[09:46:22]

sean33:

still testing

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octan:

stuarta, ehh, o dont have that file.. only /etc/ld.so.cache and /etc/ld.so.hwcapppkgs

[09:48:05]

sean33:

ok sound not happening on some channels :(

[09:49:41]

sean33:

hmmm whats up with the sound ?

[09:50:51]

sean33:

im going to do a reboot case its some wierd think ive cause looking for something else

[09:51:34]

sean33:

alot of shit to go through for a kernel upgrade

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sean33:

arrr much better

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sean33:

ok that was a pain in the ass... now to get back to getting lirc to function again

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Juski:

if it ain't brokened, do not change it :-P Unless you're a proper masochist

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** stuarta try to work out what to change next :) **

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Juski:

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ivor:

!

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ivor:

oooohhhhhh

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Juski:

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Juski:

best price per GB, btw

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stuarta:

~300Gb is good atm.

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Juski:

I thought the 750s were gonna be way more than that though

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Juski:

beggars belief that people are still buying 80GB disks

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Juski:

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stuarta:

heard a good one last night.

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stuarta:

flatmates GF said at their office they were asked to clean stuff off the server cause it was full

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stuarta:

all 40Gb of it....

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ivor:

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Juski:

lol

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hashbang:

heh

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hashbang:

stuarta: my MP3 player has 40G... :-)

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hashbang:

(and I find that a bit on the small side)

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stuarta:

same. my myth backend/frontend/dev box as 500Gb

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** stuarta is bored. time to compile a new kernel... **

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Juski:

ggrrr. how late do scam.co.uk leave it before updating their 'today only' page?

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Merlin83b:

Having known someone who worked there, whenever they feel like it :-)

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johnp_:

stuarta, which branch should I use to work on the scanner :) ?

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stuarta:

umm, my latest patches go on top of eit-branch, want the diff?

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johnp_:

sure

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johnp_:

email ?

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stuarta:

email or dcc?

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johnp_:

dcc ? anyway email is john at pullan period org

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stuarta:

dcc = send via irc....

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johnp_:

ah, not that convenient for me (complicated :) )

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ivor:

heh. everyone's tunnelling. :D

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stuarta:

shhh!

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johnp_:

stuarta, are you the one who should be coordinating changes before passing them upstream ?

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stuarta:

for scanning, yeah, i'm feeding them to daniel

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johnp_:

cool

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stuarta:

sent, if daniel ever applies my eitversion fix, then you'll need a updated patchset.

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johnp_:

ok

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stuarta:

let me know how things go.

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stuarta:

(over in #mythtv though :)

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johnp_:

yeah will do. my brain is beginning to engage again.

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Juski:

hmm I can never remember this... is a nvidia mx4000 gf4? google oogle

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ivor:

wow the european commission actually replied to my letter. a detailed reply too, smart.

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Juski:

ivor: what was that about?

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stuarta:

wow indeed

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ivor:

MS anti-trust

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Juski:

heh

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ivor:

I wasn't expecting that.

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stuarta:

favourable?

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ivor:

well as you'd expect from a political establishment, very non-committal, but an informed response all the same.

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Juski:

ooo xvmc is supported properly on an mx4000 – so no need to break the bank :-)

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ivor:

must try and get a deltachrome working. that would be ace.

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ivor:

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Juski:

eh?

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ivor:

que?

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Juski:

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psofa:

the svn myth is an opengl app now? or it uses qt still?

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ivor:

yup S8. they're throwing them away basically.

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Juski:

psofa: either

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psofa:

Juski, so qt isnt a hard dependancy anymore?

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Juski:

maybe that's what ryushin is looking for – a 'proper' open driver solution

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Juski:

psofa: get real!

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Juski:

;-)

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Juski:

it's still depended on for a lot of stuff other than just the GUI

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psofa:

ah yes

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Juski:

unles OPenGL has any string handling libs ;-P

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stuarta:

just some stuff is rendered using GL

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ivor:

both really. it uses QGLPainter.

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Juski:

ivor: so where would one buy a deltachrome card in the UK?

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Juski:

never mind..

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Juski:

bah imaginegraphics.co.uk could not be found :-/

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Juski:

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psofa:

how many euros is that?

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Juski:

no way! you can still buy 3dlabs vga cards! how the mighty have fallen though

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Juski:

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psofa:

Juski, and what good is in a chrome?

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psofa:

better xvmc?

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ivor:

Juski: hmm. can't find the link I had before.

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Juski:

now this is a graphics card... http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.as . . . ductID=2245. but no time for reminiscing

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ivor:

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Juski:

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ivor:

oh maybe that's what I meant.

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ivor:

er. :)

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Juski:

HOW much are matrox cards? forget them then

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Juski:

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ivor:

Juski: hmm still can't find the link... what company was that S8 from?

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Juski:

I lost the link now.. it'll be in my history though

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psofa:

Juski, thats the card i have also

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Juski:

http://www.internetreadypcs.co.uk/catalog/def . . . d6e87e662fee

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ivor:

oooh naughty maplin spamming google. http://www.maplin.co.uk/free_uk_delivery/Delt . . . b_-10886.htm

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Juski:

they spam google for just about anything you care to think of. evil feckers

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Juski:

right – order printed out. time to hop in my car

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psofa:

eek it has a fan on it?

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psofa:

fanless fx5200 ftw

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sean33:

mooo

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stuarta:

do those deltachromes have XVmc support?

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ivor:

stuarta: yeah.... just no software.

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stuarta:

that your work in progress ??? :-P

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ivor:

aha! http://www.tekheads.co.uk/s/product?product=604120

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ivor:

discontinued.

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ivor:

knew I had a link somewhere.

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ivor:

stuarta: well I had a bit of a go but didn't get very far.

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ivor:

shame, since with the hardware decoding, component and DVI out and HDTV it would be a nice package.

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stuarta:

fairly simliar to the midrange ATI's

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ivor:

too much on the todo list though. :(

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sean33:

damit not having fun

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sean33:

lirc compiles and installes ... i then starr lircd and then irw to check but as soon as i start irw lircd crashes "could not get file information for /dev/lirc

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sean33:

then " default_init(): No such file or directory " and finaly " lircd-0.8.1-CVS[4016]: caught signal "

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johnp_:

try giving lircd a device ?

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sean33:

yea tried device options

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sean33:

any other ideas ?

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psofa:

sean33, what do you mean tried device options

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sean33:

like -> lircd --device=/dev/lirc0

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psofa:

you have to be more specific in order to get helped (not by me im a noob)

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psofa:

sean33, i suppose /dev/lirc0 exists?

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psofa:

and that lirc modules are loaded

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psofa:

and have detected your device

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psofa:

etc etc

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psofa:

:)

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sean33:

lsmod | grep lirc lirc_imon loaded and lirc_dev loaded

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sean33:

device crw-r--r-- 1 root root 61, 0 May 16 22:03 /dev/lirc0 exsists

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sean33:

lircd , starts and loads

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psofa:

sean33, ah wait i think you must start irw without lircd open

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sean33:

message in log -> lircd-0.8.1-CVS[4156]: lircd(imon_pad) ready

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sean33:

then as soon as i run irw it crashes

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psofa:

<psofa> sean33, ah wait i think you must start irw without lircd open

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sean33:

lircd manages the device irw will not opperate with out it

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sean33:

irw with out lircd running gives "connect: Connection refused "

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psofa:

ah yes

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psofa:

lol you are right

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psofa:

kill lircd for a moment

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psofa:

and try mode2

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psofa:

so that we see if /dev/lirc0 is actually alive

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sean33:

whats mode2

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psofa:

http://www.lirc.org/html/install.html#testing

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sean33:

lircd dies on running irw

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** jasta ponders a way to make wake-on-lan work with a USB wireless NIC. this could be tricky :) **

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sean33:

that page says to start mode2 it doesnt say how to start mode2

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psofa:

just type mode2

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jasta:

i dont think its possible

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psofa:

sean33, mode2 -d /dev/lirc0

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psofa:

and press some buttons on your remote

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sean33:

mode2: error opening /dev/lirc0

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sean33:

mode2: No such device

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jasta:

sean33: are you using udev or devfs?

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psofa:

sean33, you said there's /dev/lirc0

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jasta:

psofa: no such device is not no such file, but it is indicating that he should possibly not be using the devfs/static entry.

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sean33:

yes -> crw-r--r-- 1 root root 61, 0 May 16 22:03 /dev/lirc0

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psofa:

jasta, hmm

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jasta:

sean33: if you are using udev, you'll probably want to edit udev.rules and fix up the relationship between lirc[0–9]* and lirc/%n

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jasta:

which distribution is this?

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sean33:

fedora core 4

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sean33:

not an rpm

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sean33:

-> lircd-0.8.1-CVS <-

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sean33:

with some imon patches

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jasta:

doesnt matter if lirc is an RPM or not, lirc does not provide the udev entries for itself.

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sean33:

i did notice that there isnt a lirc_i2c module .. it doesnt want to build

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jasta:

i dont know much about fedora personally, but you need to investigate whether it uses devfs or udev.

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jasta:

it almost certainly uses one.

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hashbang:

jasta: udev since at least FC3

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hashbang:

jasta: it's never (officially) used devfs

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jasta:

sean33: then check for a matching lirc entry in /etc/udev somewhere.

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sean33:

see i dunno what that is udev or devfs

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jasta:

youre gonna want to see something to the tune of KERNEL=="lirc[0–9]*", NAME="lirc/%n" or some such nonsense.

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psofa:

sean33, is there an /etc/udev directory or something?

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sean33:

theres a udev.conf in that directory

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psofa:

ah

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sean33:

an it says that there is a udev database int /dev/.udevdb

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jasta:

if one is not found, then go ahead and add it in the appropriate place (this may be non-trivial depending on how sophisticated fedora has chosen to be)

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hashbang:

the lirc-devices RPM provides udev config for lirc

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hashbang:

quite honestly, anyone using FC/RHEL, and not managing all their packages through RPM (either ready-built packages, or rolling their own) needs their head examining, IMHO. :-)

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psofa:

sean33, is there an /etc/udev/rules.d directory?

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sean33:

im not using an rpm

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jasta:

psofa: I think that rules.d is a Debian-ism.

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hashbang:

jasta: no, rules.d is FC, too.

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psofa:

its in gentoo too

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sean33:

ya udev_rules="/etc/udev/rules.d"

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jasta:

hashbang: Nevermind then :)

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psofa:

sean33, ok

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hashbang:

FC is less odd than most non-FC users think. :-)

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psofa:

go in /etc/udev/rules.d/

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psofa:

and create a file named 10-lirc.rules

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speedsix:

Hi all, can I pick your collective brains about a problem setting up a friends myth box?

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sean33:

it has a lirc.rules

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psofa:

sean33, what does it contain

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sean33:

KERNEL="lirc[0–9]*", NAME="lirc%n"

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sean33:

KERNEL="lirc0", SYMLINK="lirc"

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sean33:

hmmm getting into things i dont understand here but please explain

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psofa:

jasta, it seems there are rules anyway

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jasta:

well nevermind then, those are correct.

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jasta:

what does /dev/lirc look like?

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sean33:

i did have a previous kernal running with lirc perfectly

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psofa:

sean33, this file tells udev where to create a device file for lirc

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sean33:

rr ok

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psofa:

and as jasta says its correct

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speedsix:

anyone? :/

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jasta:

wow, i need to go to bed

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sean33:

this is created with "make install" from the lirc package crw-r--r-- 1 root root 61, 0 May 16 22:12 /dev/lirc

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jasta:

5:30am, jeez

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psofa:

jasta, lol

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jasta:

sean33: That seems inconsistent with what udev wanted.

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jasta:

sean33: I can't help you anymore though, I need to rest.

[12:27:35]

jasta:

If you're still stumped tomorrow, I will probably be around.

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sean33:

ok well thanks i will read up on udev

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psofa:

sean33, i cant also help you because im gonna leave

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psofa:

sean33, but

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psofa:

have you restarted after you did the make install thing?

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jasta:

sean33: udev is likely not to blame if you can verify that it is constructing the entries (and that they are not static)

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Panama:

Anyone have a clue if WinTV-HVR-1300 is supported by mythTV? when I add a tv tunre card it claims there are 4 composite inputs, not really sure how that works out.

[12:28:31]

jvs|nb:

is it possible to use one soundcard for mixing stuff and another one just to ouput the sound?

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jasta:

what i would recommend is that you verify there is a relationship between the kernel device driver (lirc_dev iirc) and udev.

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jasta:

and that your device is actually plugged in :P

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jvs|nb:

I have an audigy card which supports hardware mixing, and a cmi with digital out

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sean33:

oh its plugged in alright

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sean33:

but thats an interesting perspective usb drivers ... hmmm

[12:30:18]

sean33:

new kernel maybe usb issue

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sean33:

nope the device is initilised in the dmesg

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speedsix:

anybody? before I toss the whole lot out the window?

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laga_:

speedsix: just ask your question

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Juski:

re

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Juski:

heh. IGM.. my order is ready to collect.. well duuuuh

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Juski:

afternoon laga_

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sean33:

i laugh a people that toss out the window

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Juski:

beware, passers-by!

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Juski:

if you're gonna toss out of the window at least make it posh :-P

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speedsix:

It's a Hauppauge USB DVB-T Dec-2000T, 'Scan' works fine creating a channels.conf yet myth tv only finds transports but times out and doesn';t find any channels?

[12:42:25]

Juski:

speedsix: increase the timeout value to something much bigger

[12:42:38]

speedsix:

30000 big enough? doesn't help

[12:42:47]

Juski:

it's a known issue

[12:43:03]

Juski:

just import the channels.conf

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speedsix:

tryed loads of increasingly high values nothing, even compiled the latest svn. It's really getting on my bits now

[12:43:23]

Juski:

then there's a neat trick you can do to get the serviceid & stuff for EIT to work

[12:43:44]

speedsix:

I'll try importing channels.conf

[12:43:48]

Juski:

scan method > import channels.conf

[12:44:09]

Juski:

if you do that though, the EIT EPG won't work. but there is a way round that

[12:44:10]

johnp_:

try and use the vdr format as well

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speedsix:

Juski I'll give it a whirl and come back and piss n moan when it doesn't work ;)

[12:45:04]

Juski:

suit yourself

[12:45:38]

Juski:

the chair-keyboard interface is deprecated. you'll have to upgrade :-P

[12:45:39]

DGnome:

Juski: whats the way round that? :) could be useful to know

[12:45:49]

Juski:

check the mailing lists

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speedsix:

Juski ain't that the truth

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DGnome:

ohboy, digging the mailing list

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stuarta:

DGnome: you have to manually put in the serviceid of the channels...

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Juski:

ML or the logs from the channel

[12:46:31]

Juski:

there's a thread that explains it succinctly

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stuarta:

speedsix: you can always test some scanning patches...

[12:47:55]

Juski:

stuarta: I'll soon be able to help test.. maybe tonight even

[12:48:12]

Juski:

installed ccache & now I have my nerviddyer ;-)

[12:48:32]

stuarta:

I'm more waiting for eit-branch to settle...

[12:49:08]

stuarta:

unless you are on a mplex which uses other_freq descriptors...

[12:49:35]

stuarta:

that needs testing.

[12:49:41]

Juski:

I think I am actually

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Juski:

not 100% sure though

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speedsix:

stuarta scanning patches? Sorry relative linux noob

[12:50:06]

stuarta:

easy to find out.

[12:50:31]

stuarta:

speedsix: you mentioned trying svn for scanning, been working on some fixes in that area...

[12:51:52]

Juski:

installing dvbsnoop now

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speedsix:

Yeah so someone mentioned, I was expecting the svn version to work :(

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stuarta:

the svn version is better, but not fixed.

[12:52:39]

deathbeforeVDR:

*cheeeeer*

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Juski:

not all the patches make it into SVN ;)

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Juski:

(not right aay anyway)

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speedsix:

stuarta, the 0.19-fixes svn? rev 9928 I think?

[12:53:15]

stuarta:

also, not all the patches are ready for svn.

[12:53:31]

stuarta:

speedsix: no, bleeding edge. bleeding branch even

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Juski:

wtf?!?!?! I just emerged dvbsnoop & it's unmerging crap!!!

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stuarta:

huh? stoopid gentoo

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speedsix:

Oh right shall I try the bleeding edge version first? Thanks for your help btw

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stuarta:

if you are interested, i've patches to apply to the eit branch to improve scanning.

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Juski:

well mozilla was mentioned, & that still works

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stuarta:

Juski: do you need the command line?

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Juski:

stuarta: I'm going to have a little play first

[12:58:06]

stuarta:

help the learning process :) Just remember to tzap first....

[12:58:17]

speedsix:

stuarta are the patches in the bleeding edge version?

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Juski:

myth is recording on encoder 1

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stuarta:

speedsix: it's patches on top of bleeding edge eit-branch

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Juski:

flip! BER is 0 !

[12:59:05]

stuarta:

Juski: might need to wait a bit then...

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Juski:

I got adapter 1 doing nothing though

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stuarta:

and you don't use eit, so you don't need to shutdown the be

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speedsix:

stuarta so how do I go about applying the patches? What is eit-branch? Sorry for all the questions

[13:03:13]

stuarta:

you have to check out the eit-branch, see http://svn.mythtv.org but change 0.19-fixes to mythtv-eit

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Juski:

wow.. loads of useful info!

[13:03:46]

speedsix:

will do, thanks

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stuarta:

plus I have to send you a patch, and you have to backup your database....

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speedsix:

its on a blank db

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Juski:

stuarta: like this you mean? ;-) http://pastebin.com/720519

[13:05:53]

stuarta:

yep, there should be a bit above that where other_frequency = 0x1

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Juski:

yeah there's a bit of that I think

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stuarta:

but it also depends on if those freq are in use in your area

[13:06:56]

stuarta:

I have 3 other_freq for each mux, but they aren't used.

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Juski:

from memory they all look right

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speedsix:

stuarta "svn: URL 'http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/mythtv-eit/mythtv' doesn't exist" am I being blonde?

[13:09:07]

stuarta:

lose the last mythtv

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Juski:

LOL... no they're not right at all

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stuarta:

Juski: they can be off by a "fine tune" of 167000

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speedsix:

thanks

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Juski:

stuarta: looks like they're not even close

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stuarta:

you comparing dtv_multiplex against the frequencies?

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Juski:

stuarta: yup

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stuarta:

prob find your mux freq in the db = (other_freq from nit +- fine tuning)

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Juski:

not at all

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stuarta:

pastebin dtv_multiplex & dvbsnoop -n 1 -nph 0x10

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Juski:

k

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daxxar:

Hi. :-)

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daxxar:

For a fanless, diskless MythTV-Mini, is the SP8000E a good card?

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Juski:

daxxar: I'd recommend you go for at least a 10k board

[13:18:57]

daxxar:

I was thinking (to begin with) a silent streaming-machine, then later either add a TV-card to it (Hauppage PVR-150 or 350) or add it to a backend server.

[13:19:04]

Juski:

stuarta: http://pastebin.com/720548

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daxxar:

Like the MS10000E?

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Juski:

daxxar: as a minimum, but it depends what you plan to do... watching divx, xvid, the 1Ghz one has no problems, but I can't speak for the 800Mhz one

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daxxar:

Okay. Yes, it'll be mostly xvid/divx to begin with, then perhaps TV at a later point.

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Juski:

it excels at mpeg2 playback though – 15% CPU usage

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Juski:

and bear in mind it will not do HD

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stuarta:

Juski: do you have transportid data for those freq or not?

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Juski:

stuarta: coming up

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daxxar:

'not do HD'? as in, no IDE/SATA channels?

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Juski:

daxxar: as in HDTV

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daxxar:

Ah, okay.

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daxxar:

I don't think that's an issue just yet; no HD-ready TVs. ;)

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daxxar:

( .. at my place)

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stuarta:

Juski: you are on the main freq for all your muxes.

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Juski:

I've forgotten all my mysql stuff...

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speedsix:

stuarta just checked out the eit svn, what next?

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stuarta:

where do I email the patch?

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speedsix:

speedsix80@hotmail.com would be nice, thanks

[13:29:13]

daxxar:

Juski, is there any way to determine wether or not a model is fanless via the model-number?

[13:29:22]

daxxar:

(SP8000E, MS10000, etc)

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Juski:

stupid user (me!)

[13:29:35]

Juski:

daxxar: 800mhz is the fastest fanless mini-itx

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Juski:

http://pastebin.com/720571

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daxxar:

Aha. Darn. :-)

[13:30:30]

Juski:

daxxar: but I modded my m10k board to be fanless with a bigger heatsink

[13:31:03]

Juski:

if you buy the right case & board in a bundle you can go fanless even at 130000 ;-)

[13:31:19]

daxxar:

:-)

[13:31:26]

daxxar:

Anyone have any experience with using the SP8000E?

[13:31:54]

daxxar:

I'm trying to find someone proper in this country which sells Mini-ITX-stuff.

[13:31:57]

daxxar:

(Norway)

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Juski:

daxxar: http://www.mini-itx.com/store/?c=28

[13:32:29]

Juski:

I've been trying to get that case on its own for ages

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daxxar:

Ooh, neat. :-)

[13:32:43]

Juski:

costs wayy too much though

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daxxar:

That package works good fanless? :D

[13:33:16]

Merlin83b:

I have one :>

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Merlin83b:

And yes, they are pricey.

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Juski:

my own m10k board works juust fine with a zalman northbridge cooler in place of the original (not quite silent) HSF

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Juski:

Merlin83b: local, too (for us anyway)

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Merlin83b:

Indeed.

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Juski:

[13:34:19]

Juski:

I could buy a fugly hulking box for that

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Merlin83b:

You could, but it is a good looking case and nicely laid out etc inside.

[13:34:46]

Merlin83b:

I treated myself :-)

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Merlin83b:

Helps with the GAF, too.

[13:35:08]

Juski:

and it's one of the (very few) cases with a proper IR receiver

[13:35:23]

Juski:

does the IR have a PIC so you can power the box on with the remote?

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_nero_:

which case?

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Juski:

which case, hmmm I wonder...

[13:37:15]

** _nero_ is considering pulling the trigger on one of those silverstone cases.. **

[13:37:26]

Juski:

don't do it!

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_nero_:

no?

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Merlin83b:

I use the Hauppauge one, Juski, haven't played with that yet.

[13:37:32]

Juski:

they're a waste of money

[13:37:38]

Juski:

the lc02 is anyway

[13:37:43]

Juski:

(I got one)

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speedsix:

stuarta did the email go? I've got another address if you like

[13:38:03]

_nero_:

yeah.. I wasn't real impressed with the earlier ones, but the LC17 seems to be getting some great reviews..

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Juski:

it's fecking huuuge though, _nero_

[13:39:09]

_nero_:

Yeah.. its the size of a receiver, and would go real well in my audio rack.. :)

[13:39:10]

daxxar:

Hm. I'd rather not have to mess around with finding the right case and heatsink to get one of the fan-ones work fanless, if the SP800E works for divx/xvid. No-one tried it for such?

[13:39:12]

Juski:

I need a DVD player sized box with an IR window

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_nero_:

gotcha..

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Juski:

daxxar: it might be okay, but YMMV.

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daxxar:

Juski, heh. Problem is that the webshops I've found over here have a varying degree of selection.

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daxxar:

Esp. on cases.

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_nero_:

oh well.. my current box is a beige box, it works.. perhaps I should focus on getting a better TV.. ;)

[13:40:24]

Juski:

if WOL was working on my box I'd fire it up & do a top to see how much CPU an average xvid uses

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daxxar:

Hehe, :-)

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Juski:

it'

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Juski:

it's pretty nippy – I can't imagine you'd have any problems on any but the highest bitrate files – but don't hold me to that

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stuarta:

speedsix: gimme a minute. hit a busy patch....

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speedsix:

stuarta np

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daxxar:

Anyone recommend any casing for good cooling?

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daxxar:

(when I'm running fanless)

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Juski:

daxxar: something un-cramped

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Juski:

and don't use maxtor or WD disks

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daxxar:

No disks =)

[13:43:12]

Juski:

netbooted?

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daxxar:

Well, the only thing that's going to be in it is the mobo and memory, perhaps a tv-tuner eventually.

[13:43:17]

daxxar:

Yes

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Juski:

tv tuners get warm

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daxxar:

I was thinking of just doing the tv-tuner in the basement, and do it over the LAN.

[13:44:06]

daxxar:

(mythtv-backend)

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Juski:

heh. you could use the fanless epia board in erm.. a Hipermedia case – they look nice (but they don't have an IR window)

[13:45:43]

Juski:

there are lots of other cases you could use too – if you're a fan of cubes, try hoojum cubit ;-)

[13:45:58]

ivor:

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daxxar:

When one uses backend + frontend, is the tv-signal decoded at the backend?

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Juski:

my own myth system comprises a beige box upstairs with 3 tuners... frontend is netbooted epiaM10k

[13:46:32]

Juski:

daxxar: yeah you'd need to have the tuner(s) in the backend

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speedsix:

daxxar it's decoded by the frontend

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Juski:

you could make the epia box into a slave backend, but that kinda defeats the object

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stuarta:

email done.

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speedsix:

thanks

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speedsix:

stuarta could you please send the file to my other address derran@rogershouse.plus.com

[13:54:06]

speedsix:

thanks

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Juski:

ouch!

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Juski:

you have spam :-P

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speedsix:

it's my mates address who has the box ;)

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stuarta:

he's gunno love you...

[13:55:15]

Juski:

he's gonna love you for all the viagra/casino/pr0n email he's gonna get

[13:55:39]

Juski:

"free Ipoo!"

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speedsix:

what's a bit of spam between friends ;)

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daxxar:

speedsix, okay, so you want a frontend that's good at decoding MPEG2?

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speedsix:

Yeah reasonable spec, greater than 1ghz very minimum

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speedsix:

My backend machine is a p3 1ghz and playback is possilbe but it's not overly smooth

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** Juski 's 1Ghz epia has no problem whatsoever **

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Juski:

hell even my athlon 800 without xvmc can do it

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Juski:

and deinterlace

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** ivor thinks we should rename the channel #epia-love-in. **

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speedsix:

*shrug*

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stuarta:

or #random-crap

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Juski:

I wanna buy another one, just to see my workmates' faces again when they notice it

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ivor:

:)

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Merlin83b:

I have two, one unused atm :-)

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Merlin83b:

m10k

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stuarta:

have 0

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ivor:

Juski: you need to get a nano to make an impression.

[14:00:31]

** stuarta feels left out... **

[14:00:52]

Juski:

nano boards are too expensive for the space reduction they offer

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ivor:

but they are just so cool.

[14:01:05]

Juski:

but I wouldn't mind a proper RGB output

[14:01:23]

Juski:

if they can do h.264 at 1080i I'll buy one

[14:01:25]

ivor:

scart rgb. yeah.

[14:01:52]

stuarta:

by the time I get around to buying a baby computer someone might have built a board...

[14:02:39]

Juski:

by the time hell freezes over there might be linux support for h.264 from nvidia or ati

[14:02:43]

ivor:

Juski: had a go at getting "R" off the vt1622.

[14:02:47]

ivor:

didn't go well.

[14:03:17]

Juski:

I might have a go, but without the passive components needed

[14:03:36]

Juski:

wires onto things like that are my kind of work

[14:04:02]

speedsix:

stuarta how to I go about compiling the svn build with the .diff included? Thanks

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ivor:

pins waaay too small for me. and the pin didn't seem to be putting out a clean signal so I think the board has it tied up/or down to something.

[14:04:54]

Juski:

ivor: it's an output so I doubt they tied it to anything

[14:05:03]

stuarta:

*sigh* in the root of the checkout patch -p0 < patchname

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stuarta:

make; make install as usual

[14:05:48]

ivor:

Juski: well it didn't seem to be putting out a clean signal.

[14:06:04]

stuarta:

Juski: speaking of h264 codecs, the guy from corecodec's want my test hd sample.

[14:06:46]

stuarta:

so I told him I'd uploaded it to mplayer's ftp site & the dev's could get it from there...

[14:06:48]

Juski:

stuarta: but we don't wanna pay $20 for their stupid codec

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** stuarta was wearing his bastard hat **

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Juski:

heheh nice one

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stuarta:

if he's not a ffmpeg dev he can't get it :)

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Juski:

fair's fair & all that

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speedsix:

stuarta my myth eit svn revision is 9935, will this be a problem?

[14:08:49]

stuarta:

heck I won't even use proprietry video drivers....

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** ivor cheers for stuarta **

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stuarta:

speedsix: nothing been commited to eit-branch since....

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stuarta:

:)

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speedsix:

ok thanks chap

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speedsix:

let you know how it goes

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Juski:

lol... oh these users who go "wah! mythtv segfaults.. I followed the ivtv instructions but decided to opt out of editing a file in the source which the howto said to edit... if i can't figure out a way round this I'm gonna install MCE".. what a fucktard

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Merlin83b:

Heh

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Juski:

I hope there's room on the mythtv stand at lugradio for my portable trout farm

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speedsix:

lugradio?

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Juski:

lugradiolive2006 – july 22nd & 23rd at wolverhampton student uni

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Juski:

(blatant plug)

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Merlin83b:

Juski's appearing on the main stage!

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speedsix:

Really? Fish slapping or something else?

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Juski:

playing air mythmusak

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Juski:

speedsix: exhibiting mythtv there

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Juski:

and doing a demo onstage

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Juski:

2 days of geeky debauchery – should be fun on a stick

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speedsix:

Cool, sounds good

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Juski:

see www.lugradio.org

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Juski:

btw if anyone can lend a hand with stuff, like providing banner prints or anything...

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Juski:

that would be very nice

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Zider:

good evening

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Juski:

evening Zider

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speedsix:

Juski I'll have a listen to that on the 22nd

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Juski:

I've only listened to a couple of shows

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Juski:

(!)

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daxxar:

Merlin83b, Juski, happy with the M10ks?

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Merlin83b:

I am, yes.

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daxxar:

M10000N, that is?

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daxxar:

You modded it fanless?

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Merlin83b:

I have an M10000

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Juski:

I dunno which mine is to be honest

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Merlin83b:

No, I used a Tranquil T2e case.

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Juski:

think it's just M10000

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Juski:

daxxar: mine is a fanless mod – works well but I have good airflow in the case

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Juski:

wouldn't trust it in a tiny box

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daxxar:

Merlin83b, what's special about the Tranquil T2e case?

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Juski:

daxxar: it has heatpipes

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daxxar:

Aha.

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Juski:

or maybe just a different heatsink... anyway you have to take the original HSF off the board

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daxxar:

Juski, the link to the 'kit' you gave me includes everything one needs, excluding the screwdrivers? (If one picks the mobo and the memory one wants)

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Juski:

not sure... I guess it does

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sean33:

how do i get lirc_i2c to compile ?

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speedsix:

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stuarta:

i'd put money on that being the cheap version at the expensive price...

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speedsix:

suicide

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Juski:

who cares? ;-)

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psofa:

sean33, you need to tell the error

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psofa:

:)

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Juski:

the hardware is a loss leader anyway

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** speedsix is a gaming geek **

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Juski:

D&D, in a terminal session?

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speedsix:

Cheap version doesn't have a hdmi port either so I assume that's hi-def blu-ray out the window then

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speedsix:

no, x360 I'm afraid on a big hd-lcd and 5.1 :)

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Juski:

let the wanger competition commence. I hope both formats fail

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psofa:

speedsix, not all blu-rays will be protected iirc

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psofa:

but most will

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scopeuk:

what you routing for juski removeable hdds?

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Juski:

non-DRM, sensibly priced material (yeah dream on)

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scopeuk:

or xvid compresion adn normal dvds?

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scopeuk:

Juski we can dream

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scopeuk:

unfurtuantely thes copanies and the govenmen that caters for them runon eachothers moeny and whims

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Juski:

I thnk whichever disc is cheapest to produce will win out (more profit)

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scopeuk:

yeh

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speedsix:

stuarta, small problem compiling eit build.. "dvbtypes.h:392: error: class `dvb_channel_t' does not have any field named `serviceID

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stuarta:

that's not an area my patch touches. you'll have to look more carefully at your build logs...

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speedsix:

ok

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speedsix:

can I ask another stupid question, why is there a seperate eit branch alongside the 0.19-fixes branch?

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stuarta:

all branches are in the branches directory. this however doesn't denote a linkage between them

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laga_:

well. only fixes are backported to the 0.19-fixes branch, but in the eit branch, real development takes place

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psofa:

will the dvb tuning improvements get backported to fixes/are they already there?

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stuarta:

psofa: no chance.

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psofa:

:)

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stuarta:

they are far too invasive. they aren't fixes, they are vast improvements...

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speedsix:

so what's the difference between the trunk and eit branch?

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psofa:

stuarta, btw stuarta any progress with the bad ac3 track?

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psofa:

:)

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stuarta:

had a quick look last night, but no progress. it's also something ffmpeg chokes on...

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psofa:

thats the only interesting english channel on this damn italian/german satelitte

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daxxar:

Is there need for anything more than 512MB RAM for xvid/divx & tv?

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psofa:

damn idiots why did they include ac3 if its fake

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stuarta:

speedsix: the eit-branch contains significant changes from ticket 1035, that need integrating separately

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Juski:

daxxar: 512MB is prolly overkill for an SDTV frontend

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daxxar:

Okay, so 256MB would do it fine. :-)

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Juski:

right – time to burn some flexi

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daxxar:

Uuurgh, £60 in shipping from mini-itx.com.

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daxxar:

:P

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daxxar:

Anyone have any experience with Casetronic / Travla-cases?

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psofa:

btw can anyone recommend me some speakers?

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psofa:

right now i have some big hi-fi speakers connected

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psofa:

which have good bass

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psofa:

but the vocals sound strange

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psofa:

i see some logitech speakers that cost 300euros and they are damn small

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psofa:

so im wondering how can thesebe better than my big speakers?

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speedsix:

big is better when it comes to speakers generally

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speedsix:

some good bookshelf speakers and a sub would be the way to go imo

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daxxar:

Anyone here reside in Norway? I'm curious if you know of any decent Mini-ITX chassis / board-stores (pref. online)

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Zider:

no, but sweden :P

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daxxar:

Know of any over there, then? :-)

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Zider:

Komplett has a bunch of nice looking mini-itx cases

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Zider:

http://www.komplett.se/k/kl.asp?bn=10162

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speedsix:

Well I'm jiggered if I can get latest eit svns to build :/

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Zider:

and mobos as well of course

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daxxar:

Same as .no. I was hoping for a few more =)

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Zider:

aha

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Zider:

dustin?

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daxxar:

Hm?

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daxxar:

Oh, dustin.se. :)

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Zider:

or http://www.dustinhome.se

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Zider:

not sure what they've got, but they usually have what I've been looking for

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daxxar:

What're chassis listed as? :p

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daxxar:

Seems they do not have them, aww. :-)

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Zider:

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daxxar:

But thanks.

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daxxar:

Lådor? :o

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daxxar:

Oh. I thought that was charger or something.

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daxxar:

(Lader in Norwegian)

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daxxar:

Thanks. :-)

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Zider:

:)

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daxxar:

http://www.dustinhome.se/dacsaportal/system/p . . . D=5010056521

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speedsix:

I know i'm being a PITA but why would the latest eit commits throw up code errors when compiling?

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daxxar:

speedsix, conflicts with local modifications?

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daxxar:

I wonder if that one would have enough room to help with the cooling if I removed the fan on a M10k or something.

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speedsix:

daxxar what do you mean local modifications?

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daxxar:

speedsix, if you changed the files that you checked out.

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stuarta:

daxxar: only by patch from me.

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speedsix:

no it's a fresh checkout, tried jumping back a few revisions, same errors

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Zider:

daxxar: nice case there :)

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speedsix:

not a problem with the patch, tried it without

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daxxar:

speedsix, site stat?

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daxxar:

Zider, not 'sleek' in design, but it seems nice.

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stuarta:

speedsix: what gcc/g++ you running

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daxxar:

speedsix, eh, svn stat.

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daxxar:

My bad. :-P

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Zider:

daxxar: sleek enough imo.. :)

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daxxar:

Zider, the black one would work with the rest of the stuff by the stereo for me. :)

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speedsix:

daxxar sorry to be such a muppet but that doesn't seem to do anything?

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Zider:

daxxar: a black would be perfect, along with a slotin dvdrw and a 160GB 2,5" drive.. mmmmmmmm.. ;)

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daxxar:

speedsix, okay, then it's not local modifications with the files. :)

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daxxar:

"svn stat" should show any conflicts, local modifications, etc.

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speedsix:

I see

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speedsix:

how can I get apt-get to report my gcc version?

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Zider:

why not use gcc --version ? ;)

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ficusplanet:

speedsix: Just run "gcc -v"

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speedsix:

lol ok, spot the linux newb ;)

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Zider:

speedsix: there! *points*

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daxxar:

Aww, pointing is rude.

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daxxar:

;D

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Zider:

I know. :)

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daxxar:

How much VAT do you pay for computer-equipment in Sweden?

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daxxar:

(moms)

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speedsix:

please don't take my dinner money/give me a wedgie thanks

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daxxar:

:p

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Zider:

daxxar: I believe it's 25%

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daxxar:

Okay, same as here.

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Zider:

speedsix: *superwedgie*

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speedsix:

stuarta gcc 3.3.5

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daxxar:

I thought the Silverstone LC09B looked neat, but someone in here said they were trash. ;D

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daxxar:

http://www.komplett.no/mlf/produkt/bilder/cds/I276144.jpg

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ficusplanet:

daxxar: I have and like the lc06 a lot.

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daxxar:

ficusplanet, how is it heat-wise? Do you run a fanless setup? Which mobo? :)

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daxxar:

(do you run a tv-decoder?)

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Zider:

daxxar: nice one

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ficusplanet:

daxxar: I don't have a fanless setup. It's an SP-13000 with a PVR-250 and a PVR-500 in it.

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daxxar:

Or http://www.netshop.no/img/cache/img_1949154126_0_Big.jpg =)

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daxxar:

ficusplanet, how's the noise?

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Zider:

I thought they only had one PCI slot?

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ficusplanet:

daxxar: Not bad at all, but I replaced the default fan with a 14dBA from Silenx. The hard drive is by far the loudest component, and I'd love to find a quieter one.

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daxxar:

Okay, I'm planning to run it fanless. :-)

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ficusplanet:

Zider: A 2-slot riser card will let you use two.

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daxxar:

Eh.

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daxxar:

Diskless. :-)

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Zider:

ficusplanet: ah

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daxxar:

14dBA isn't much. :)

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ficusplanet:

daxxar: Yeah, I can hear the fan at all when sitting on the couch.

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ficusplanet:

*can't

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Zider:

I need a remote more than a silent system right now.. ;)

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daxxar:

http://www.shg.no/images/produkt2/810743/7KQVC8W3MS_610_361.jpg

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daxxar:

That one you have?

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ficusplanet:

daxxar: Yes, but black.

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Zider:

too bad there aren't more cases with IR on the front..

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ficusplanet:

daxxar: The only thing that was annoying about the case to me was that front-plate on the optical drive. It took an hour or two of playing around to make open and close smoothly.

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daxxar:

Looking at LC05 or LC09 (LC06 is a bit too bulky for a diskless, IMO)

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daxxar:

ficusplanet, mkay.

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ivor:

I use these: http://mini-itx.com/store/?c=3#2699

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ivor:

I don't think the photos do them justice. but the proportions just sort of work for me.

[15:51:26]

daxxar:

Cubid one?

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ivor:

daxxar: 2699V yeah

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ficusplanet:

Does anyone know of a really quiet harddrive with available in bigger capacities? I currently running a 400GB seagate 7200.9 and it's by far the loudest thing in the case.

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daxxar:

I feel every norwegian webshop has the same selection. :/

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Zider:

seagates are pretty quiet imo.. but mine is in rubber suspension tho.. :P

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sean33:

yay lirc is a shitfull piece of software ..

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Juski:

re

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daxxar:

wb Juski )=

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daxxar:

=)*

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Juski:

"failed to start X server".. hmmm.. hope that had nothing to do with me changing the vga card ;-)

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sean33:

i fixed the bastard at last

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ficusplanet:

Zider: Perhaps I should try installing some rubber grommets in my case or something. It basically just sounds like a clock is ticking while recording TV.

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lucas:

hey. does anybody know where to set the nice value for a mythtranscode job? they're hogging my system :)

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Juski:

sean33: who? someone who's always telling me to STFU?

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speedsix:

does it support accoustic management?

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Zider:

ficusplanet: my case is made for rubber suspensions, dunno if you can just put those in a normal case unless you use the 5,25" places..

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Juski:

careful of using rubber shockmounts

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ficusplanet:

Zider: In the least I could probably put some rubber washers on the drive screws to give a little separation, though.

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Juski:

don't improvise them like soom damn foos do ;)

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Zider:

ficusplanet: yeah, maybe

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Zider:

Juski: why not? :P

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Juski:

elastic bands.. asking for trouble

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Zider:

Juski: rubberbands istheshit ;)

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daxxar:

Anyone had anything against the Silverstone LC09 (in a diskless / optical drive-less setup)?

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ivor:

if you want huge drive capacity, you're probably better off csetting up a backend

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Juski:

daxxar: if you mean the one with the strange 'L' shaped protrusion from the front panel...

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ficusplanet:

ivor: So the capacity of the drive does effect the noise it generates? I'd never been able to find any good info on that.

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daxxar:

http://www.case-mod.com/store/images/831ss_lc09_BLG.jpg

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daxxar:

http://www.komplett.no/mlf/produkt/bilder/cds/I276144.jpg

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ivor:

ficusplanet: not particularly... but the quietest drives are going to be tiny laptop ones...

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Zider:

ficusplanet: rotation speed can affect, but capacity shouldn't have anything to do with it..

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ivor:

just saying if you are looking to huge capacaity a separate backend is probably worth considering

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Juski:

ficusplanet: the mass of the head assy has the biggest impact on noise

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ivor:

that way you can put multiple drives in and not worry too much about the noise

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Juski:

and if you're looking for _balanced_ drives, which don't hum – avoid WD

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Zider:

my main system with 4 drives makes less noise than the mythbox with one drive.. :P

[15:59:37]

Zider:

gotta love those rubber suspensions ;)

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ficusplanet:

ivor: Maybe I'll look into some 2.5" drives. I need to keep the backend and frontend integrated because I currently only have one cable jack in my apartment.

[16:00:03]

Juski:

the best way to do away with noise is to use a very sturdy box and isolate the box from the surface it's placed on, IMHO

[16:00:06]

speedsix:

I slung my backend machine in a large cupboard

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ivor:

too much rubber shock absorbtion can seriously knacker your drive performance.

[16:00:26]

speedsix:

ivor really?

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daxxar:

Juski, (re: the links) – is that the one you mean?

[16:00:57]

ivor:

speedsix: yup.

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Zider:

ivor: if it's too loose yes

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Juski:

daxxar: yup – not the fugliest case around, but yuk!

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daxxar:

http://www.silverstonetek.com/products-lc09.htm / I thooght it looked kinda neat

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speedsix:

My backend has a 120mm fan in the psu, a 80mm papst fan on the cpu and a 300gb maxtor 7200rpm and you can barely tell the thing's on. Cost peanuts aswell

[16:02:37]

Juski:

too much wiggle on a HDD & it'll get lots of off-track events... bad for performance. even mounting a disk directly above or below another on the same bracket can degrade by as much as 15%

[16:02:59]

Juski:

and off-track events are probably bad for HDD life overall in the long run too

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Juski:

where the hell are all the diddy little nice looking cases with built in IR windows?

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speedsix:

Juski let me know when you find them, ta

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Juski:

I had a 4U 19" panel made the other week – cost me £30 plus VAT so I hate to think how much a whole custom case would be

[16:05:52]

Juski:

most of that is the setup cost though

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Juski:

getting a prototype water-cut might be cheaper

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daxxar:

Hm. Does the M10k have SVideo?

[16:08:15]

daxxar:

Ah, yes.

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daxxar:

Think I'll go for the VIA M10000 and the LC09.

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Juski:

wtf? umbongo is asking for the install CD :-/

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Juski:

good job I still had it

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ivor:

Juski: oh btw that reply from the

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ivor:

bah

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ivor:

ahem.

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RandomDude15:

hey.

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ivor:

from the eu.... what's the most innefficcient way you can think of sending it?

[16:13:56]

RandomDude15:

I need help with ArchLinux. Keeps freezing.

[16:14:04]

RandomDude15:

*with MythTv in ArchLinux

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Juski:

ivor: erm... motorbike courier?

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Merlin83b:

Pigeon.

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ivor:

not nearly bad enough.

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ivor:

the reply arrived by email.

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Juski:

singing telegram?

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ivor:

was a pdf... with an embedded tiff....

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Juski:

ahhh

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Juski:

_that_ kind of innefficient

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ivor:

that was of a scanned typed letter

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Merlin83b:

Heh

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ivor:

that had been signed by someone.... AND had a rubber stamp of the date in the top right hand corner.

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Juski:

our quality guy at work prints out his docs, scans em into tiff & puts them into distiller

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Merlin83b:

Your quality guy is a moron.

[16:17:24]

Juski:

I know.. bless him

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RandomDude15:

anyone here use myth and archlinux?

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ivor:

just as if to emphasise someone had actually made and handled a paper version.

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Juski:

wey! I have desktop again

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ivor:

:)

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stuarta:

the only time that is valid, is if he get everyone to sign & approve the doco, and then you only need the front page...

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daxxar:

What socket fans do I use on the VIA-cards? 370?

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ivor:

daxxar: for the cpu?

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daxxar:

Yep

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Juski:

daxxar: much smaller than that

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ivor:

daxxar: yeah little tiny ones.

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Merlin83b:

daxxar: They come with them.

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Juski:

not a standard size, but there's a Zalman northbridge cooler that fits

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Juski:

and what Merlin83b said

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daxxar:

Merlin83b, how noisy are the shipped ones?

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ivor:

fine until the bearings go. after about a month.

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Merlin83b:

Pretty quiet but I haven't used one in an HTPC setting.

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Juski:

daxxar: my livingroom is pretty quiet, but I could hear mine with nothing else going on in the room. was unnoticable with TV going though

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daxxar:

Mkay

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stuarta:

back soon...

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Juski:

"could not look up internet address for umbongo"... sheesh

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daxxar:

I'm just considering wether or not to replace the fan / cooling on the CPU for the M10k.

[16:21:00]

daxxar:

Perhaps I should buy it first, and check it out

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Juski:

daxxar: yup

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Juski:

you should

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Juski:

and if you _do_ ever replace the HSF, watch the CPU temps like a hawk for a while

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daxxar:

£265 for the M10k, 512MB ram and a chassis.

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daxxar:

(inc VAT)

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Juski:

not bad

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Juski:

wahhh? ubuntu has no /etc/conf.d directory?! damn you different linux

[16:23:36]

daxxar:

I think I'll just buy it, then I can see if I'm happy or not after a while.

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daxxar:

Then I'll atleast know what criteria to go by

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gardengnome:

Juski: /etc/default/?

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Juski:

rebooting will be faster than trying to determine what the net daemon is called

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daxxar:

net daemon?

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Juski:

daemon that runs the IP stack.. or whatever

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daxxar:

ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0

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daxxar:

;-)

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daxxar:

/etc/init.d/networking restart

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speedsix:

is it /etc/init.d/networking

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Juski:

who knows

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Juski:

I don't, that;'s fer sure

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daxxar:

If you mean reloading the IP settings. The IP stack is a part of the kernel. ;-)

[16:25:25]

Juski:

I know stuff on a need-to-know basis

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armand:

you dont need to know!

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Juski:

and then only by chance

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speedsix:

right i'm off, see ya later

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** Juski ponders how to wind up Mc Who tonight **

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daxxar:

Hehe. ;-P

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Juski:

ah fucksticks

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Juski:

one more reboot...

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Juski:

this distro would be great for windows users methinks

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Merlin83b:

Think that's it's target audience, really.

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Merlin83b:

I keep meaning to give it a try and might when v6 is out properly (meant to be mid-May :-)

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Juski:

I'm this close || to trying knoppmyth again

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Merlin83b:

Heh, things must be bad./

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Bugatti:

got a problem with YUY2 overlay support, tvtime doesn't work, does mythtv require it as well?

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Juski:

yay! I got desktop again

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Juski:

ooo mythbackend segfaults

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Zider:

coool.. uh.. ;)

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ivor:

Juski: what are you using to monitor your cpu temp?

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Juski:

ivor: minimyth.. but I think the one I've got is lying lots

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Juski:

erm.. where is the bit in the docs that used to tell you your environment variable stuff for compiling?

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Juski:

!trout juski

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** MythLogBot slaps juski with a trout on behalf of Juski... **

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ivor:

woo go me.

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ivor:

just taken down a multi-million pound resilient messaging system with my test app.

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Juski:

hmmm. I just got an email from someone wanting to give me money for my theme!

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Zider:

Juski: cool :D

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ivor:

nice oen.

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Merlin83b:

Heh, ace.

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ivor:

er. one.

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Zider:

it is a really nice theme, so why not :)

[16:51:43]

Juski:

I'm gonna be rich! hahahahaha

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Juski:

(not)

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Zider:

richER

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Zider:

;)

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kormoc:

Zider, till he pays taxes

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Zider:

not for a little donation

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kormoc:

the 5 euros he gets bumps him into a higher tax bracket, and thus he now owes a extra 1% of his yearly income!

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Zider:

;)

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Bugatti:

got another question, when I close mythtv the audio from live tv is still running, using ALSA and a generic tv card

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Juski:

Bugatti: you need to read the documentation. I bet the audio sync issue was annoying you too

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darthy:

im just installing on debain/epia and im missing a kernel patch for the epia which was on the location: http://epia.kalf.org/epia_kernel/testing/patch-2.6.4-epia1.bz2

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Juski:

in short, mute the line input or whatever input the TV audio is plugged into. select that channel to be recorded in alsamixer

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darthy:

does anyone have this one or know a link which is not down yet?

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ivor:

darthy: what exactly do you want to patch?

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ivor:

Juski: what are you still doing at work?

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darthy:

i guess its for via epia + lirc usage.

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darthy:

its not the common lirc patch for 2.6 kernels!

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ivor:

the patches were borderline useless/outdated when they were there. even less relevant now.

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darthy:

its for especially for via epia m10000

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darthy:

so i dont need them anymore?

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ivor:

questionable whether anyone ever did.

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darthy:

ok.. thanx.. ill skip this then!

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darthy:

what was in that patch? was it a kernel config ?

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Bugatti:

thanks for the tips, the problem is the tv card is not connected directly to the sound card, it's a laptop with a built in tv card. I think I'm on the right track now

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darthy:

i guess so coz in my tutorial there isnt anything mentioned about special kernel configs for the epia .. just the patch installed before doing make && make modules and stuff

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ivor:

darthy: your tutorial probably needs updatnig.

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darthy:

is there anything special i have to consider when compiling a 2.6 kernel for epia m10000? or another question: if so, is there anybody here with an epia running on a 2.6er kernel? if so, please give me the .config? ;) im a lazy guy!

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xris:

w00t. cyberestore sill soon have the dual lnb bracket back in stock.. then I can finally be on my way to exploring the wonders of FTA satellite.

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psofa:

anyone knows of a lite standalone panel?

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Bugatti:

how do I select the channel to be recorded, already looked at the man page and didn't see anything

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kormoc:

Bugatti, you select a show to record

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Bugatti:

no, I mean in alsamixer

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kormoc:

ooh

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kormoc:

switch to the capture control page

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kormoc:

usually f3 iirc

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Bugatti:

sweet

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Bugatti:

thanks

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Bugatti:

f4

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Bugatti:

worked

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kormoc:

heh, fair nuff :)

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Bugatti:

finally got myth (front and back) working on my laptop

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Niklas_E:

if you need to unmute the v4l card (v4lctl volume mute off) is that a driver or mythtv bug? cause tvtime and mplayer works. and does it work in the stable svn?

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gardengnome:

http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=460365&st=0 – rumour is that the ps3 will ship with linux :)

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stuarta:

mwahaha!!!

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** stuarta contemplates a reboot.... **

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kormoc:

don't kill your uptime!

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stuarta:

how else am I supposed to upgrade my kernel?

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** gardengnome contemplates doing his homework **

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gardengnome:

stuarta: well. with 2.6.something, you can replace your kernel on the fly

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gardengnome:

kexec() or something

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stuarta:

it's only 67 days uptime...

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kormoc:

gardengnome, sure, but it's highly not recommended :)

[18:15:50]

stuarta:

gardengnome: that's intended for self recovery from kernel crashes...

[18:16:00]

gardengnome:

heh ;)

[18:16:07]

gardengnome:

well, it wasn't me who asked :P

[18:17:01]

scopeuk:

gardengnome step away from the homework

[18:17:26]

stuarta:

maybe I should wait till I have a domO in the kernel... :-/

[18:18:41]

kormoc:

stuarta, well, it also allows really quick reboots, as it doesn't need to redo all the hardware init stuff, which is why it's used more and more in the server world. Less downtime is always very good

[18:19:02]

scopeuk:

0 downtime is very good

[18:19:28]

stuarta:

hey I still haven't found time to upgrade to amd64 distro. mainly due to having too many recordings to watch

[18:19:37]

scopeuk:

a system with backup power gen and ups to cover the blip then all the software tricks avaliable to keep the box up

[18:19:43]

scopeuk:

stuarta what you using?

[18:19:52]

scopeuk:

afaik its jsut a question of chaning libs and the kernal

[18:20:07]

stuarta:

debian testing'ish, and no it's not just a kernel change.

[18:20:20]

** kormoc just changed the arch to amd64 and re-emerged world. **

[18:20:20]

scopeuk:

i knwo there are libraries as well

[18:20:31]

scopeuk:

kormoc must have ltos of free time

[18:20:42]

scopeuk:

stuarta deb 64 is quite nice

[18:20:58]

kormoc:

scopeuk, not really, took about 16 hours to recompile the entire os, and I wasn't there watching it. Sleep + work took up that time

[18:21:09]

scopeuk:

16 hours though

[18:21:18]

scopeuk:

i get hacked off in the 15 minutes it takes to burn a dvd

[18:21:28]

** xris knows that kormoc watches his compiles while he's at work. heh **

[18:21:29]

scopeuk:

i tend to "micro manage" to much

[18:21:35]

kormoc:

heh

[18:21:39]

scopeuk:

wow scrolling text preety

[18:21:49]

scopeuk:

jsut need to make it green

[18:21:53]

** scopeuk fetches the amstrad **

[18:22:20]

daxxar:

Anyone recommend a good remote? :-)

[18:22:22]

kormoc:

I figure the time is justified in the lack of issues I have overall.

[18:22:34]

kormoc:

that and gentoo is just fun :)

[18:22:40]

scopeuk:

wow its working lets add "features"

[18:22:41]

daxxar:

(I haven't invested in a TV-decoder yet)

[18:23:00]

kormoc:

daxxar, some tv cards come packaged with a remote

[18:23:11]

daxxar:

(and I wasn't planning on doing it yet)

[18:23:15]

daxxar:

;D

[18:23:19]

** kormoc blinks **

[18:23:24]

xris:

daxxar: what good is a remote without channels to watch?

[18:23:36]

scopeuk:

yo could ogle it

[18:23:43]

daxxar:

I was thinking a keyboard was a slight hassle for divxing

[18:23:44]

daxxar:

;D

[18:23:52]

** kormoc laughs **

[18:24:05]

xris:

since he didn't ask what kind of remote or a budget.. I'd recommend a logitech harmony remote.

[18:24:06]

kormoc:

remotes and linux seem to be rather sucky

[18:24:31]

xris:

kormoc: still having issues with the mceusb2 one?

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[18:24:40]

kormoc:

xris, yeah...

[18:25:00]

daxxar:

xris, how expensive? :-)

[18:25:00]

kormoc:

works fine except for that damn double key-press issue

[18:25:10]

daxxar:

What's FIR / CIR? :o (The VIA-page says they have support for it)

[18:25:10]

kormoc:

daxxar, from $90 to $300 or so

[18:25:19]

daxxar:

Okay, I rephrase.

[18:25:58]

daxxar:

Anyone recommend a good simple IR remote for basic divx-ish-features, pref. less than $70. :-P

[18:26:24]

kormoc:

ooh, the harmony 890 is $400

[18:26:27]

gardengnome:

divx-ish features? do you want your remote to encode video streams? ;)

[18:26:54]

xris:

daxxar: you want one with basic tv-playing features?

[18:26:57]

daxxar:

No, like play, pause, stop, rewind, fastforward, menu navigation.

[18:27:03]

daxxar:

s/divx/movie/

[18:27:10]

daxxar:

Nitpickers. :P

[18:27:25]

xris:

get a pvr-150 retail version with a remote... solves both the remote and tv tuner problems.

[18:27:37]

ol_schoola:

i second xris

[18:27:45]

kormoc:

I third the idea

[18:27:46]

xris:

otherwise, any old "universal remote" will do the trick

[18:28:16]

ol_schoola:

if your old-school Catholic, get a used Pronto from ebay

[18:28:32]

daxxar:

Okay. Then I just need an IR reciever. :)

[18:28:41]

ol_schoola:

pvr comes with it

[18:28:44]

Juski:

my ebay shop

[18:28:56]

Juski:

when I set it up

[18:29:00]

ol_schoola:

ir sensor comes with pvr, sry

[18:29:45]

Juski:

installeryfying umbongo again.. even glxgears segfaulted

[18:29:48]

kormoc:

daxxar, it really would be silly for the tv card to come with a remote without any way to use it.

[18:29:52]

ol_schoola:

programming Pronto = masochistic

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stuarta:

Juski no likey Umbongo?

[18:30:59]

Juski:

daxxar: FIR == fast IR == IrDA CIR == consumer infra-red

[18:31:12]

daxxar:

Okay. :-)

[18:31:19]

daxxar:

The PVR RC is well-supported?

[18:31:38]

Juski:

stuarta: I just figure rolling back to a known point will take less time than figuring out wtf was wrong with my nerviddyer setup

[18:31:39]

ol_schoola:

very well

[18:31:41]

xris:

daxxar: as well as any other

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daxxar:

Mkay

[18:32:06]

** xris still needs to hook up his mceusb2 remote **

[18:32:26]

stuarta:

toyed, once with the idea of umbongo on amd64, so far haven't left debian x86

[18:32:36]

daxxar:

Guess I'll look at it tomorrow. Time to get f'drunk.

[18:32:41]

Juski:

I'm just after a quick install, is all

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ol_schoola:

Juski, tell me about. X is chewing on >50% since i rebuilt from fc4 to fc5

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Juski:

I was all for trying mythdora til I realised about d.h.

[18:36:57]

Juski:

might use that for the demo boxen though

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ol_schoola:

i'll probably roll back to fc4 where everything worked

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Juski:

time to start gettin' all of them there build deps

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jvs:

how can I force 44100 in mythtv? (pvr-250)

[19:07:07]

Juski:

recording profiles

[19:07:40]

Juski:

though dvd compliant audio is 48khz

[19:09:30]

jvs:

Juski, the pvr only allows 48000

[19:09:42]

jvs:

oh, I see

[19:10:06]

Juski:

it can be changed in the recording profiles setup pages

[19:10:37]

Juski:

I had it on 32khz for a brief time, but it was a bit mungy sometimes. increased to 48k & all has been well since

[19:10:49]

jvs:

I can play dvds fine

[19:10:58]

jvs:

but have noisy sound when watching tv (stereo)

[19:11:04]

Juski:

?

[19:11:14]

Juski:

noisy how? hissy?

[19:11:31]

jvs:

"artefacts"?

[19:11:35]

jvs:

glitches

[19:11:39]

jvs:

dunno how to say :)

[19:11:44]

jvs:

sound only comes from the center

[19:12:11]

Juski:

do you transcode your recordings?

[19:12:18]

jvs:

sound from the satellites is very low and noisy

[19:12:21]

jvs:

no

[19:12:26]

jvs:

I talk about live tv

[19:12:41]

jvs:

pvr-250

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ol_schoola:

jvs: hows it sound from sat box to TV or receiver?

[19:12:45]

Juski:

check that the source material is stereo

[19:13:13]

jvs:

Juski, it is

[19:13:26]

jvs:

I can play mp3s fine

[19:13:29]

jvs:

play dvds in 5.1

[19:13:35]

jvs:

play dvds in stereo

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jvs:

but not tv

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ol_schoola:

jvs: can you quickly rewire to test?

[19:14:00]

jvs:

even can play old recordings in stereo

[19:14:02]

Juski:

check that the source material (TV channels) is stereo

[19:14:14]

jvs:

Juski, I know what you mean, it is stereo

[19:14:20]

Juski:

right

[19:14:28]

RandomDude15:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3016

[19:14:31]

jvs:

recordings from 0.18 play fine in stereo and DS

[19:14:49]

RandomDude15:

anyone know what to do?

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Juski:

jvs: try resetting the card

[19:15:12]

jvs:

Juski, in mythtv-setup?

[19:15:18]

Juski:

RandomDude15: post some error output then we can get somewhere

[19:15:21]

armand:

ah .18, i miss that version

[19:15:30]

armand:

worked great, no memory leaks, no livetv problems

[19:15:31]

armand:

:)

[19:15:41]

Juski:

jvs: no.. I think it's an ivtvctl command you need

[19:15:47]

ol_schoola:

armand: growing pains :)

[19:15:52]

jvs:

Juski, k

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Juski:

damn this sudo shit! fuckbongo

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Juski:

damn PoS won't let me ssh as root...

[19:19:17]

armand:

ares home # grep -i root /etc/ssh/sshd_config

[19:19:17]

armand:

#PermitRootLogin yes

[19:19:25]

armand:

set that and restart.

[19:19:51]

armand:

sshd, not the box

[19:19:52]

armand:

hehe

[19:20:03]

stuarta:

you allow ssh as root??? omg

[19:20:08]

Juski:

ta.

[19:20:18]

Juski:

stuarta: it's fast, and the box is firewalled

[19:20:29]

Juski:

sudo this, sudo that.. sucky

[19:20:53]

Juski:

armand: I'd done it before but was buggerred if I could remember

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armand:

its ok if its all firewalled and limited access through vpn or whatever

[19:21:10]

Juski:

good password too

[19:21:30]

ivor:

Juski: enter? :)

[19:21:50]

stuarta:

toor?

[19:21:59]

Juski:

try 13 characters, alphanumeric :-P

[19:22:00]

armand:

i bet its password

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armand:

or p4ssword

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armand:

heeh

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Juski:

now where was I...

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Juski:

fucking fuck. incorrect password my ARSE.

[19:24:21]

RandomDude15:

hang on

[19:24:24]

RandomDude15:

ill get a sceenshot of it

[19:24:26]

RandomDude15:

*screenshot

[19:24:32]

RandomDude15:

none of the image upload sites are working now

[19:24:35]

Juski:

added user mythtv, mythtv is in the admin group, but I can't sudo

[19:24:40]

Dild:

Sorry if this question is not right on topic. I got a soundcard for this box, now I wonder how I get to adjust the volume with "tvtime" .. I did wire the hauppage with the audigy SE...

[19:24:49]

RandomDude15:

http://img325.imageshack.us/img325/1663/erroroutput8sf.jpg

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stuarta:

Juski: /etc/sudoers

[19:25:05]

Juski:

stuarta: all admin users are allowed

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Juski:

hmmm... gentoo sounds good again

[19:25:35]

ivor:

RandomDude15: attach gdb and get a backtrace.

[19:26:00]

ivor:

Juski: http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=1&am . . . nce&e=42

[19:26:06]

ivor:

:D

[19:26:30]

Juski:

lol

[19:27:02]

ivor:

Dild: alsamixer?

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Juski:

wooo!

[19:29:14]

Juski:

finally

[19:30:56]

Juski:

dunno what it was – must just take time to changes to take effect :-/

[19:32:34]

ivor:

slow electrons.

[19:32:35]

Juski:

and hey abarbaccia.com – way to break the source list

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Dild:

#tvtime seems purty deadish and here was where I heard

[19:38:57]

Dild:

about tvtime the first time.

[19:39:05]

Dild:

Here, or in #mythtv .. not sure if this channel was created at that point.

[19:39:38]

** kormoc raises an eyebrow. **

[19:40:22]

kormoc:

Dild, you might want to give a bit more info about your setup, but likely the answer will just be, change the volume like normal

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Dild:

kormoc : I am not sure what I want. I just noticed that the left<->right buttons didn't start to work, as I presumed they would.

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Dild:

Chutt : I guess even armand would admit that he seemed somewhat cocky (right word?) before.

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kormoc:

Dild, chutt isn't in this channel :P

[19:43:10]

Dild:

Dild : Oh :-)

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Juski:

hey WillCooke :)

[19:43:21]

WillCooke:

Hey Juski!!!

[19:43:31]

Dild:

kormoc : Oh :-)

[19:43:34]

WillCooke:

Long time no see, been moving house.

[19:43:44]

Juski:

blim!

[19:44:24]

WillCooke:

Plus my main myth box got bit-rot from sitting in a box for 3 weeks

[19:45:04]

Juski:

heh. just upgrading my umbongo box... this may take some time

[19:45:23]

WillCooke:

totally broken, wouldn't even boot. I think that's what you get from buying a cheapo computer and then not switching it off for about 5 months. Got the new svn, I'm LOVING the opengl!

[19:45:47]

Juski:

btw folks – no noobs saw me say I allow root ssh logins, m'kay ;-)

[19:45:55]

WillCooke:

:))

[19:46:29]

WillCooke:

ooo, mytharchive too. Very nice!

[19:46:40]

Juski:

WillCooke: started preparing for the big gig in July. rumour has it that some fugly bloke is gonna be doing a presentation about mythtv on the main stage

[19:47:08]

WillCooke:

Quality! I can't make it now, did I tell you? I've got to go and be best man for my mates wedding

[19:47:30]

Juski:

no I didn't know – but that'll be much more fun

[19:47:49]

Juski:

sounds like we both need to brush up on public speaking :-P

[19:48:00]

WillCooke:

:))

[19:48:18]

WillCooke:

I have the advantage that if I'm drunk, no-one will mind!

[19:48:18]

Juski:

there'll be videos to haunt (taunt) me with I'm sure

[19:48:26]

Juski:

lol

[19:48:37]

** Juski will be packing a hip-flash of JD **

[19:48:40]

Juski:

*flask

[19:49:04]

WillCooke:

Looking forward to a bit of HD action too on freeview, hopefully the nova-t will be able to read the stream and then de-code in software

[19:49:15]

Juski:

hmmm

[19:49:40]

Juski:

make that a lot of hope. stuarta didn't have much luck with his cx88 based card

[19:50:05]

Juski:

he got a stream though – and the ffmpeg guys are gonna look at it

[19:50:24]

WillCooke:

sweet!

[19:50:31]

Juski:

crafty BBC have used some extension or other that isn't currently supported

[19:50:52]

WillCooke:

hmmm – in theory they have to tell us how they're doing it, no?

[19:51:06]

Juski:

in _theory_ it's a closed trial

[19:51:12]

WillCooke:

bah!

[19:51:25]

Juski:

I think it's as good as nailed

[19:51:37]

Juski:

(said the non-programmer)

[19:51:39]

WillCooke:

nailed – good, or nailed bad?

[19:51:47]

Juski:

good nailed

[19:51:53]

WillCooke:

yay!

[19:52:06]

Juski:

let there be no chicken counting yet though ;)

[19:52:30]

WillCooke:

oh, I've just realised, I don't have an HD telly, so there's little point in me getting excited

[19:52:36]

Juski:

lol

[19:53:12]

WillCooke:

oooh, rumor mill says Samsung will be making an HD CRT box for around 300quid

[19:53:14]

Juski:

I got all hot & bothered about 8 750GB disks I had delivered to me last week

[19:53:27]

WillCooke:

Oooh, nice!

[19:53:35]

Juski:

yeh just a rumour. same rumour says it'll also do true 1080 IIRC

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WillCooke:

bit of raid 5 action ?

[19:53:48]

Juski:

work action unfortunately

[19:54:12]

WillCooke:

I guess it's just like a monitor – the tech should already be there

[19:54:30]

Juski:

I don't care how deep it is – I got loads of room

[19:54:48]

Juski:

but it's apparently still gonna be shallower than a regular crt

[19:54:55]

WillCooke:

nice

[19:55:32]

WillCooke:

mmmmmmm – opengl is soooo nice

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** xris falls over laughing at http://www.harmonictech.com/products/magic_power.html **

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** stuarta wanders back from tea... **

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Juski:

ROFLMAO!

[19:57:48]

Juski:

1 meter $1,200

[19:58:05]

** Juski goes downstairs to get the heatshrink & tinfoil **

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ivor:

Dild: perhaps you should read mythtv.org or wiki.mythtv.org or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythtv

[19:58:55]

Dild:

ivor : Does it have info on tvtime?

[19:59:09]

kormoc:

Dild, of course not

[19:59:20]

ivor:

no but it will answer all the questions you're asking about mythtv on the dev channel.

[19:59:20]

Dild:

kormoc : I had the feeling. :-)

[19:59:25]

kormoc:

Dild, it's rather doubtful anyone here really uses tvtime for more then just testing

[19:59:33]

Dild:

ivor : Oh ..

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ivor:

:)

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kormoc:

xris, is that for real?

[20:00:00]

Dild:

kormoc : Well .. .I am getting old .. you young people is faster at grokking a new program than I am.

[20:00:13]

gardengnome:

how old are you? 21?

[20:00:23]

armand:

im 14

[20:00:24]

armand:

female

[20:00:27]

armand:

kansas

[20:00:29]

armand:

wanna chat?!

[20:00:32]

armand:

:)

[20:00:50]

gardengnome:

Dild: a/s/l?

[20:00:50]

Dild:

armand : Ahh .. your name is April, right?

[20:01:02]

armand:

dild: Summer

[20:01:03]

armand:

:)

[20:01:06]

Juski:

rofl again: http://www.harmonictech.com/products/dvd_adapter.html

[20:01:07]

xris:

kormoc: apparently so... got it from the -users mailing list

[20:01:28]

** kormoc blinks **

[20:01:32]

Dild:

armand : You made quite an impression on Paul, it seems. :-)

[20:02:03]

xris:

paul?

[20:02:06]

Dild:

gardengnome : Mental or Physical? / male / in an armchair.

[20:02:09]

ivor:

xris: no fucking way!

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gardengnome:

Dild: heh :)

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Dild:

I guess I don't this functionality .. my real problem is how I get the remote working .. and my dad isn't using the remote ... and its his box. He can use the turn-button on the speakers. :-)

[20:07:57]

xris:

Dild: you need to use more verbs

[20:08:14]

gardengnome:

verbs are overrated

[20:08:21]

xris:

gardengnome: only if you speak japanese

[20:08:35]

gardengnome:

heh

[20:08:43]

xris:

now, pronouns... they're overrated (except in non-gendered languages like english)

[20:08:47]

Dild:

xris : I am unenglish.

[20:09:00]

Dild:

xris : I lacked a "need" though.

[20:09:10]

gardengnome:

and a "do"

[20:09:16]

** gardengnome hides behind the other gnomes **

[20:09:29]

xris:

Dild: ah, danish.. nice country...

[20:09:43]

armand:

nice age of consent too

[20:09:44]

Dild:

xris : It is .. still.

[20:09:45]

** stuarta dresses the gnome in silly clothes... **

[20:09:46]

armand:

oops did i say that

[20:09:53]

Dild:

Whats consent?

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xris:

Dild: my great grandfather moved to the US from denmark.... so I still feel slightly danish.

[20:10:33]

Dild:

xris : Cool :-)

[20:10:58]

armand:

dild: ageofconsent.com hehe

[20:11:02]

kormoc:

Dild, age of consent for sexual acts, or in other words, how old a person has to be to be with a adult.

[20:11:46]

kormoc:

Dild, the people that care about such things rate from creepy to just f'in sick imho

[20:11:53]

** Juski googles for "sexual acts" **

[20:12:17]

armand:

kormoc: or the people who care about such things are a senior in high school and dating a sophomore

[20:12:20]

armand:

thats illegal in many states

[20:12:28]

Dild:

kormoc : Oh .. here children can have sex legally (given a willing partner) if they achieve the age of 15. They will be adult (legally authoritative) when they are 18 (which is also the age you need for a driving license).

[20:12:41]

gardengnome:

stuarta: i already do.

[20:13:02]

stuarta:

nah these are *really* silly

[20:13:15]

xris:

Dild: anyway, mythtv is only really useful if you need a fancy vcr or like to watch sports where you can pause/rewind/etc

[20:13:19]

gardengnome:

stuarta: humm.

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kormoc:

armand, actually, there's caluses that deal with that, in PA it was within 2 years, so a 18 year old could date a 16 year old just fine, 19 to a 17, etc. And really at that age, that's a huge difference maturity wise...

[20:13:39]

Dild:

xris : That might be good.

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xris:

kormoc: they sort of got the WA one correct.. 16/18

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armand:

kormoc: oh i didnt know that..

[20:14:17]

WillCooke:

hmmmm. it's seems xvmc is still deadlocking my machine. damn

[20:14:38]

Dild:

xris : I don't know if my card supports myth though.

[20:14:48]

Dild:

xris : I don't even know how to find out hwich card I have.

[20:14:56]

xris:

Dild: if your card works in linux, myth will generally work with it.

[20:15:22]

Dild:

xris : This is GNU/Linux only .. who needs another OS?

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gardengnome:

in germany it's ok if both partners are under age of 14 (i think that's some kind of loop hole in the law), then 14–16 (both partners) and 16–18. IMHO, IIRC, IANAL and FYI ;)

[20:15:39]

Dild:

Games? Wait for cedega support! :-)

[20:16:18]

armand:

the amount of games that work in cedega is pretty amazing actually

[20:16:43]

armand:

i dualboot my main workstation, just for games, and id say thats once a month or so at most to go to windows

[20:16:45]

xris:

Dild: if your card works in tvtime, myth can use it.

[20:16:48]

Dild:

armand : Yeah .. too bad its not GPL.

[20:16:52]

armand:

usually for flight simulator to pretend flying planes into buildings and such :P

[20:17:01]

Dild:

xris : apt-get install myth?

[20:17:15]

kormoc:

Dild, http://transgaming.org/cvs/

[20:17:28]

Dild:

kormoc : I think thats old, right?

[20:17:51]

xris:

Dild: in debian? you'll get the old version, but it's "mythtv" not "myth"

[20:17:59]

kormoc:

Dild, not at all, that's all the GPLed cedega code, and it's constantly updated with as much as they can

[20:18:04]

Dild:

xris : sarge

[20:18:09]

Juski:

bloody hell – apt-get install build dep mythtv mythplugins.. now that coulda saved me some bother last time

[20:18:25]

WillCooke:

Juski: :) – Yeah I found that too!

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armand:

dild: or you could just google for the cedega filename :P

[20:18:38]

Dild:

kormoc : Cool .. .however .. I installed demo here . and its copyright Microsoft and others. I understand why ... but its a pitty still.

[20:18:43]

armand:

there's usually some .ru ftp server running anon that has it hehe

[20:18:56]

armand:

or be nice and pay for them for their hard work which i did after trying it out, its worth it, and cheap

[20:18:56]

kormoc:

...

[20:19:11]

armand:

and free upgrades forever heh

[20:19:16]

Dild:

The thing I wonder about, btw. is if I can use the capture with myth?

[20:19:23]

kormoc:

armand, it's only free upgrades while you are subscribed...

[20:19:39]

gardengnome:

kormoc: not with that .ru ftp server... ;)

[20:19:45]

kormoc:

heh...

[20:20:18]

** kormoc has a nice cedega.sh beta file he loves to give out to .ru ftp servers and their users... **

[20:20:28]

gardengnome:

disclaimer: i think the cedega guys should be paid for their work ;) the wine people make some progress, too, i believe – they implemented the copy protection thingie needed by warcraft, iirc

[20:20:32]

armand:

5$ a mont is cheap

[20:20:33]

xris:

Dild: doesn't matter which version of debian... mythtv isn't truly gpl compatible because it links to patented tech like mp3... so it's in multiverse, and I don't think the maintainer of that has updated past .18.1

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gardengnome:

xris: well. thehunter.ws has 0.19 for ubuntu, marillat has 'em for debian

[20:21:05]

Juski:

there are debs of 0.19 I think, but I'm going for roll my own

[20:21:20]

xris:

gardengnome: yes. but not easily through the default apt repositories

[20:21:26]

kormoc:

gardengnome, heh, yeah. I'm on the offical beta team and I work directly with transgaming employees, so I'm a bit biased :)

[20:21:29]

gardengnome:

kormoc: nice :)

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WillCooke:

Juski: I went from bare metal to svn in an evening

[20:21:48]

gardengnome:

xris: ah, c'mon, adding another line to your sources.list isn't that hard :)

[20:21:56]

gardengnome:

Juski: you know how to do that?

[20:22:07]

WillCooke:

dapper and build-deps makes things a lot quicker

[20:22:12]

xris:

gardengnome: not hard, but not default

[20:22:17]

Juski:

gardengnome: btw did you know someone offerred me money for my theme? says I should put a paypal clicky on the page...

[20:22:28]

xris:

Juski: cool

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gardengnome:

Juski: wow. you'd better accept ;)

[20:22:36]

Juski:

I did, funnily enough

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xris:

someone sent me a cd once for mythweb/nuvexport... and a refractometer.

[20:22:50]

gardengnome:

Juski: heh

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gardengnome:

xris: refractometer? for brewing?

[20:23:04]

** xris thanks ol_schoola again **

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xris:

gardengnome: yes

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gardengnome:

xris: awesome :)

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xris:

gardengnome: it's fun to find out how much alcohol is in stuff.

[20:23:38]

gardengnome:

xris: of course. did you test bread?

[20:23:45]

xris:

gardengnome: needs to be liquid

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Juski:

send beer to... booth X, at lugradiolive2006, wolverhampton student uni...

[20:23:57]

gardengnome:

xris: well, beer is like liquid bread

[20:24:00]

kormoc:

I'm drunk on bread!

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gardengnome:

heh

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gardengnome:

("beer is like liquid bread" is one of my favourite pointless statements)

[20:24:47]

kormoc:

well, it used to be much more true

[20:24:52]

fozi:

is here someone with experience in dvbnet or vlc with multicast streams?

[20:24:55]

xris:

gardengnome: yes. and fresh bread does have alcohol in it... but it's generally all evaporated by the time the bread cools

[20:24:58]

Traxtopel:

anyone have any tips on a unichrome, getting it fill the whole of my tv with tv out

[20:24:59]

kormoc:

when it was thick and could be drank with a spoon.

[20:25:21]

fozi:

I'm trying to get the DVB-H test workin.

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Juski:

Traxtopel: try using the noscale modes... 720x480Noscale & 720x576Noscale

[20:26:08]

fozi:

I have a correct sdp for the stream. it is working with vlc under windows

[20:26:11]

Traxtopel:

ok

[20:26:17]

Juski:

(if you're using openchrome, Traxtopel)

[20:26:58]

fozi:

I see the packets with tcpdump on the interface

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Juski:

Traxtopel: bookmark this: http://www.kingcot.eclipse.co.uk/unichrome/unichromeTvOut.html

[20:28:09]

fozi:

but I can't play it with vlc. As far as I can tell vlc doesn't get the data.

[20:28:28]

Traxtopel:

yep thanks

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Juski:

DVB-H? isn't that just crummy h.264 yukkyness in 320x240 or less?

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Juski:

nice nic

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Jam-Laptop:

i've recently upgraded from .16 to 19. and trashed my DB in the process. I've recreated everything, it even scans for DVD-B channels in this new version, but my guide isnt updating

[20:31:02]

Jam-Laptop:

i grab the DVD EPG using tv_grab_dvb and pipe into into mythfilldatabase

[20:31:13]

Jam-Laptop:

has the way myth handles channel IDs changed?

[20:31:41]

Juski:

Jam-Laptop: nope

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Jam-Laptop:

how strange...

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xris:

Jam-Laptop: why not just use the built-in EIT grabber?

[20:32:01]

fozi:

Juski: yes, qif with 12.5 fps

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Jam-Laptop:

EIT?

[20:32:33]

** Jam-Laptop heads to the website **

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Juski:

ohhh great.. ERROR 1064 at line 6: You have an error in your SQL syntax.

[20:32:43]

xris:

Jam-Laptop: listing info sent over the dvb signal

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fozi:

Jam-Laptop: the same data tv_grab_dvb gets

[20:33:13]

Jam-Laptop:

excellent

[20:33:20]

Jam-Laptop:

is it accessed via mytht-setup?

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fozi:

Jam-Laptop: you set it up mytht-setup and after that the backend continously crawls the channels for updated data

[20:34:48]

Jam-Laptop:

excellent

[20:34:53]

Jam-Laptop:

i didnt even know it existed!

[20:35:04]

Jam-Laptop:

i'll have a poke at it

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kormoc:

given you were running 0.16, not unexpected :P

[20:35:15]

Jam-Laptop:

hehe

[20:35:22]

Juski:

was that not in 0.16 ?

[20:35:28]

Jam-Laptop:

its just been sat there working fine for over a year

[20:35:34]

Jam-Laptop:

just got bored so decided to upgrade

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fozi:

Jam-Laptop: if you scanned your channels, you should only need to change the listing source in the "video source" menu to transmitted guide only

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xris:

Juski: the EIT stuff is new in .19

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Jam-Laptop:

will it mention this in the backend logs?

[20:38:52]

Juski:

xris: I had it working before 0.18, I'm 99.9% sure

[20:38:53]

Jam-Laptop:

actually

[20:38:55]

Jam-Laptop:

i'll find out

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Jam-Laptop:

;)

[20:39:28]

Juski:

anyway.. pressing onwards

[20:42:08]

Jam-Laptop:

ah that works fine

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xris:

Juski: hmm, maybe it was just a "stability" thing... the old one required that you tune to the channel for it to work.. new one actively scans all channels

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Jam-Laptop:

thanks guys

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Jam-Laptop:

will it only do the now and next though?

[20:42:29]

Juski:

xris: sounds more like it

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Juski:

Jam-Laptop: no you get the full 7 day EPG or whatever your service gives you

[20:42:58]

Jam-Laptop:

excellent

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xris:

Jam-Laptop: depends on how much info your sources give... most are at least a few days

[20:43:09]

Jam-Laptop:

its updating icrementally

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Jam-Laptop:

*incrementally

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Jam-Laptop:

cheers guys

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Juski:

make...

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psofa:

does myth have a dependency over libmp4v2 or faad2?

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kormoc:

psofa, I'm sure mythtv.org has a list of depends that would tell you

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jasta:

hey kormoc

[21:17:16]

kormoc:

mornin' jasta

[21:17:20]

jasta:

morning?

[21:17:25]

jasta:

where on earth is it the morning?

[21:17:37]

kormoc:

about 3 hours to the west?

[21:17:58]

jasta:

nobody lives over there. :)

[21:18:13]

kormoc:

heh, that may be, but physics still apply :)

[21:18:44]

jasta:

my internet connection at work as embarrassing :(

[21:18:52]

kormoc:

ooh?

[21:18:52]

jasta:

i can triple the downstream on my DSL at home

[21:19:03]

jasta:

i honestly think we should hook up a regular DSL line for odwnstream :)

[21:19:22]

jasta:

or at least let me proxy through it, and everyone else can use the crappy T1

[21:19:51]

jasta:

kormoc: 1.5mbit both directions. i get in the ballpark of 7mbit at home.

[21:20:01]

kormoc:

heh, yeah, suckyness

[21:20:04]

jasta:

not upstream, of course, but the downstream bothers me a lot

[21:20:19]

jasta:

im installing a Debian etch server here and its taking forever to put the x-window-system on it.

[21:20:41]

** kormoc blinks **

[21:20:43]

kormoc:

that's a bit... odd

[21:20:51]

jasta:

it's annoying is what it is.

[21:20:54]

jasta:

and it also requires rpm!

[21:21:07]

nachoguy:

not really. Oracle requires it too

[21:21:10]

jasta:

fortunately, Debian has no problem providing these prerequisites.

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jasta:

seriously, i think we should bring in a regular old DSL line for $50/mo

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jasta:

kormoc: There's a lot weird about the DB2 runtime client though.

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kormoc:

ooh?

[21:24:37]

kormoc:

I never really used DB2 much on my one computers

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jasta:

Like how it's 200MB.

[21:25:25]

jasta:

and how it's the most god awful confusing software when it doesnt work right

[21:25:30]

jasta:

the error messages are insane.

[21:25:35]

kormoc:

heh, yeah

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jasta:

my favorite is that for every kind of SQL error that can occur, it says "Function sequence error".

[21:26:33]

jasta:

column doesn't exist? Function sequence error. function doesn't exist? Function sequence error. Can't join that way? Function sequence error.

[21:26:47]

jasta:

it's shite

[21:27:06]

jasta:

and if you try to connect an 8.x client to a 7.x server, oh boy.

[21:27:11]

jasta:

you've never seen such cryptic nonsense

[21:27:20]

** d3ity waves **

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** kormoc laughs **

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kormoc:

yeah, it's a bit nasty, Which is why I avoid it as much as I can

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jasta:

kormoc: honestly, the free SQL engines tend to be the most useful and intuitive.

[21:32:28]

jasta:

they just don't cale well. i can't believe that the big players can't just bother to sand down some of the rough edges.

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Juski:

one hour, 23 mins later – still compiling!

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d3ity:

Juski, hehe, its a long compile isn't it

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d3ity:

perhaps if it would just compile instead of begging every single machine on my network to help it every 20 seconds it'd go faster

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WillCooke:

blimes Juski, what you compiling it on? Electron?

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Juski:

WillCooke: athlon 800

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Juski:

maybe I should be using the 586 kernel instead of i386, I dunno

[22:15:07]

Juski:

got ccache installed though, cos I'll be doing a lot of recompiling soon

[22:15:11]

d3ity:

Juski, you're fine.

[22:15:16]

d3ity:

its just...well..takes a whie.

[22:15:22]

WillCooke:

Hmm – should be quicker than that. On my athlon 1.84GHz it took about, erm, 30 mins (?) to compile front and back end. (usnig the k7 kern)

[22:15:31]

d3ity:

took my athlon xp 3000+ about 30 mins to do it

[22:15:51]

Juski:

might look at using distcc

[22:15:52]

** xris wishes that there was an easy distcc to put on windows boxes **

[22:16:12]

d3ity:

my slamd64 box did it in under 10...but meh

[22:16:12]

d3ity:

xris, what are windows boxes for?

[22:16:27]

xris:

d3ity: my wife's machine for playing sims

[22:16:34]

xris:

and oblivion

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WillCooke:

ooh – i got a free psp today!

[22:16:52]

WillCooke:

result!

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d3ity:

they finally sent me all my free ipods too.

[22:17:14]

Juski:

from those scam websites?

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WillCooke:

*all* your ipods?! :

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d3ity:

WillCooke, I figure I got a few hundred more coming...

[22:17:47]

Juski:

p2p + linux + mythtv?

[22:17:59]

d3ity:

but no. I don't own an ipod. i dont deal with scam websites...and I never will own an ipod

[22:17:59]

Juski:

psp I mean.. shit I'm in trouble now!

[22:18:11]

WillCooke:

I phoned my cellphone provider (o2) and told them I wanted to leave and told them I saw an offer of a free phone and a free psp – so they matched it!

[22:18:15]

xris:

d3ity: you say that until someone gives you a free one.

[22:18:25]

d3ity:

Juski, I wonder what kinda speed you could get running azureus on a psp

[22:18:26]

xris:

I own one (won it) but never use it.

[22:18:28]

WillCooke:

mmm – an hurd of ipods?!

[22:18:29]

d3ity:

xris, it'll go on ebay the same day.

[22:18:49]

Juski:

I'd have a sony player with the OLED display if I didn't know how fucking awful the software is

[22:19:06]

d3ity:

xris, i can't stand ipods personally... they seem to be a vehicle for people to listen to thier crappy music cranked to 11 whilst I'm forced to stand next to them in an elevator.

[22:19:11]

Juski:

the (cough) windows software I mean. no dragging & dropping

[22:19:29]

WillCooke:

I won an ipod in a raffle – used it for about 3 weeks before I got bored of it

[22:19:57]

WillCooke:

now it gathers dust while I listen to cd's

[22:19:59]

WillCooke:

meh

[22:20:11]

Juski:

mp3 sounds crap in headphones

[22:20:36]

Juski:

worse than tape if you ignore the hiss

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WillCooke:

back to the vinyl again Juski!

[22:20:39]

** kormoc raises an eyebrow **

[22:20:55]

Juski:

have yet to try ogg though

[22:20:56]

xris:

WillCooke: yeah, that's how I got mine... apple store opening.

[22:21:06]

WillCooke:

xris: nice!!

[22:21:12]

WillCooke:

xris: use it?

[22:21:14]

xris:

I just want something that can play ogg files so I don't have to keep converting them to aac.

[22:21:16]

xris:

WillCooke: nope.

[22:21:16]

Juski:

WillCooke: you tried the inter-hactive yet?

[22:21:24]

xris:

battery only lasts like 15 minutes now, too

[22:21:38]

WillCooke:

xris: there's a howto for replacing the battery

[22:21:48]

WillCooke:

Juski: ??

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Juski:

0.20 has MHEG !

[22:21:53]

xris:

WillCooke: I used to use it occasionally in the car, but I just listen to npr now...

[22:22:13]

xris:

WillCooke: yeah. but $30–40 to replace the battery on something I don't use is a waste of money

[22:22:23]

WillCooke:

xris: :)

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Juski:

new WEEE laws mean that all batteries will have to be removable & user-replaceable

[22:22:56]

WillCooke:

Juski: ahh – redbutton!

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WillCooke:

hehe weee

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Juski:

gcc really needs a progress bar

[22:24:09]

** WillCooke wonders what Nintendo were thinking with the whole wii thing **

[22:24:19]

Juski:

going bust?

[22:24:28]

WillCooke:

unless they dont expect to sell to english speaking countries?

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d3ity:

Juski, mp3 just sounds crap...unfortunatley... I don't have the money for the 20 disk sata raid array it would take to have all my stuff as FLAC

[22:24:50]

Juski:

it's got less gigatexelflops/sec, so it's never gonna sell to da kidz

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kormoc:

wiillcooke, it's just a wacky name for a wacky console!

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WillCooke:

:))

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WillCooke:

the controller looks sweet – but if it's all cartoons and love instead of guns and death – the kids won't dig it

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stuarta:

I'm going to be able to catch up on lots of movies soon. Damn BB starts on thu

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WillCooke:

gah!!! NO BB

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kormoc:

Bread and Butter?

[22:26:17]

WillCooke:

similar

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stuarta:

unfortunately... (Big Brother)

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Juski:

xfactor starts again before too long aswell

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WillCooke:

about as stimulating

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WillCooke:

***k

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stuarta:

might finally get a chance to rebuild my box...

[22:26:50]

Juski:

I hope all the EIT fixes are working before the w*** cup

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WillCooke:

24 days!

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stuarta:

bah!

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Juski:

gonna shoot the schedules to fucking hell, that is

[22:27:26]

stuarta:

not really. a lot will be on $ky

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WillCooke:

at least auntie keep there eit up to day

[22:27:30]

WillCooke:

date

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Juski:

ah, so if bbc reschedule, and I'm using EIT, it'll shift along properly?

[22:27:51]

stuarta:

sometime the wet string in myth that uses that info dries out...

[22:28:14]

WillCooke:

Juski: should do

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stuarta:

autoextend hopefully *fingers crossed*

[22:28:31]

** Juski thinks about a hack to make the description field optional so we can still have uk_rt **

[22:28:33]

WillCooke:

depends if you get the eit in time

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WillCooke:

i've gone back to rt for most things

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Juski:

so we could use EIT more like PDC

[22:29:35]

Juski:

it's the 2 weeks of data I love about uk_rt

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WillCooke:

wasnt there supposed to be a new all-singing pdc for freeview?

[22:29:46]

WillCooke:

Juski: exactly!

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Juski:

I can live without Alison Graham's essays

[22:30:10]

Juski:

as amusing as they are, they just dont fit on screen

[22:30:27]

Juski:

barely even fit on one page in mythweb

[22:30:29]

Juski:

;-)

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WillCooke:

:)

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kormoc:

but Alison Graham is a great man/woman who did great things/places/people in order to earn the respect/intelligence/money in order to show up on your tvscreen!

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WillCooke:

:)

[22:31:02]

WillCooke:

if only

[22:31:16]

** kormoc has no clue who Alison Graham is/was/will be **

[22:31:23]

Juski:

another patch idea... popup screen to see the full show description

[22:31:26]

Juski:

with scrollbars

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WillCooke:

someone who doesn't like the same films as me

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Juski:

kormoc: she's a reviewer for the radiotimes – a very wordy one at that

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kormoc:

ahh, fair nuff

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WillCooke:

with no taste in films

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Juski:

just tell me what the damn film is about – I don't care who the director slept with to get the job

[22:32:26]

WillCooke:

boob/body count

[22:32:36]

** Juski needs a crash course in Qt **

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kormoc:

Juski, so you're the type of guy the movie 'Snakes on a plane' is going for!

[22:33:07]

WillCooke:

:))

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Juski:

new icon for my theme (next one)... to go with the new (pretend) xmltv tag... exploding helicopter rating...

[22:33:12]

WillCooke:

sounds goof

[22:33:14]

WillCooke:

good

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WillCooke:

and a jugs rating

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WillCooke:

;))

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Juski:

eeks – another idea... we've got the wishlist thing.. how about a blacklist?

[22:34:19]

stuarta:

match a few keywords, boob_rating++ ??

[22:34:20]

WillCooke:

plan!

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Juski:

e.g. if <actor> like 'Denise Richards', DO NOT RECORD – EVER!

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WillCooke:

UNLESS jugs=+5

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WillCooke:

:)

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Juski:

AND paperbag =1

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WillCooke:

OR beer_goggles = TRUE

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stuarta:

AND papertowl =1

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kormoc:

Juski, what's wrong with her face?

[22:35:40]

Juski:

I dunno... she looks like CGI to me

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** kormoc shrugs **

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kormoc:

there are way worse woman on tv

[22:36:08]

** WillCooke would **

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kormoc:

imho

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Juski:

can't act for toffee anyway

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Juski:

as if I can, but anyway

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Juski:

but yeh – blacklists might be nice

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WillCooke:

WHERE acting < good AND jugs > big THEN record = why_not

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stuarta:

priority = -5

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Juski:

mythjugflag

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WillCooke:

:))

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Juski:

how mythtv lost its cred...

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WillCooke:

lol

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kormoc:

User: why oh why does mythjugflag keep flagging the milk commericals?

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Juski:

lol

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WillCooke:

lol again

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stuarta:

hmmm. bbc 1, may 24th 12.20am – "Alien Love". Classy....

[22:39:40]

stuarta:

not!

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Juski:

not in my listings...

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Juski:

ahh.. it's called Amanda & the alien... "If every there was a movie crying out for a negative rating, it's this one."

[22:41:35]

Juski:

but eh? must be cos we're in different BBC regions.. weird

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kormoc:

Plot Outline: A young Bohemian artist falls in love with a human-eating alien.

[22:41:50]

kormoc:

Ha!

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kormoc:

Also Known As:

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kormoc:

Alien Love (UK)

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Juski:

Michael Dorn (walnut head) is in it

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stuarta:

no eit vs rt....

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kormoc:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112339/

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Juski:

it had to be a comedy really

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stuarta:

that sounds so bad I might just record it....

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Juski:

ooo.. another idea... IMDB lookup (old suggestion)... but tied in with a trailer player

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kormoc:

I'm thinking of renting it!

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Juski:

"no no no no, my cat is not available for dinner...." rofl

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WillCooke:

jug-o-matic returns > http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseacti . . . ndID=4775302

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Juski:

it's just starting making mythcommflag.. can't be long to go now, surely

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WillCooke:

jeebus – that is slow!

[22:47:21]

Juski:

imagine a stage1 gentoo on that box

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Juski:

fuck it – tomorrow night the windows box has to go

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WillCooke:

Oh, BTW doesnt look like dapper has got the ircommon.c patch in – the nova-t buttons don't quite work ootb

[22:48:15]

Juski:

gonna do a HDD transplant I think

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WillCooke:

the needs of the many....

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Juski:

I love my Vegas though

[22:50:05]

WillCooke:

gonna try moving the myth master on to wifi (54) tomorrow

[22:50:07]

Juski:

might just buy a new box

[22:50:11]

WillCooke:

Vegas?

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Juski:

Sony Vegas

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WillCooke:

dell will sell you a good box for no money

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WillCooke:

mmm. vega good

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Juski:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/vide . . . o_webvid.avi – did that wi vegas

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WillCooke:

big file!

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Juski:

not as big as the good quality one

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WillCooke:

need to upgrade my 512k

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Juski:

thing I have against the Dell machines is.. how bad is Intel Xtreme?

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WillCooke:

whatdat?

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WillCooke:

grfx?

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Juski:

probably naff onboard graphics

[22:54:25]

Juski:

that said I think I could put up with not having 3d for a while.. a long while

[22:54:27]

WillCooke:

ebuyer will sell you a nvidia 5200 128Mb based knock off for 20quif

[22:54:28]

WillCooke:

d

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Juski:

yeh but not in PCI-E

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WillCooke:

ahhh

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Juski:

just bought a 5200 card today for the demo box

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Juski:

had it working last night with a 3dfx, but I wanna see the opengl stuff properly

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** WillCooke loves the gl **

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WillCooke:

mmmm – fade-tastic

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Juski:

it might be fade-zoom-tastic by July

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WillCooke:

:)

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WillCooke:

there's a bug tho' – if you alt-tab from myth-fe to other and back again you get just the background until you move the menu

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daxxar:

Hauppauge! WinTV-PVR-150MCE PCI, Tv-kort m/radio, MCE, Retail vs Hauppauge! WinTV-PVR-150, PCI, Nicam Stereo, Tv-card & MPEG2

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Juski:

I was thinking about a question someone posed on the ML this week – the frontrow demo shows the scrollspeed accelerate – can we do that in myth? I say unlikely, knowing how lirc works

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WillCooke:

just needs a redraw – but unless you redraw every x then it wont get fixed

[22:57:35]

daxxar:

*tries to find the real difference*

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imperfect-:

Anyone got any advice on how I cna make the frontend more useable in a laptop ?

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imperfect-:

OS X in particular

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Juski:

woo! finished compiling!

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Juski:

2 hours 12 mins

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kormoc:

daxxar, the MCE edition doesn't come with a remote, but includes a radio tuner, the standard edition comes with a remote and no radio tuner.

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WillCooke:

Juski: if you use the remote as a kbd then theres a setting for repeat speed

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kormoc:

imperfect-, install linux? :P

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imperfect-:

kormoc: Well, Its muh macbook pro ;)

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WillCooke:

then turn the repeat wait up and the repeat speed up

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kormoc:

WillCooke, how do you install a lirc remote as a x keyboard?

[22:58:57]

daxxar:

The MCE one says; NB !!! Leveres med MCE Fjernkontroll, MCE IR Receiver. ("Delivered w/ MCE Remote, MCE IR Reciever")

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Juski:

WillCooke: yeh but it's a fixed repeat speed

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imperfect-:

it just takes over everything

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WillCooke:

kormoc: erm

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imperfect-:

so it sucks

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imperfect-:

;)

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kormoc:

daxxar, MCE itself tends to come with the remote and keyboard, so maybe you'll be buying MCE along with the card?

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imperfect-:

does the one w/ the tuner have a port for a remote?

[22:59:47]

daxxar:

kormoc, naw, it's for my MythTV. :-P

[22:59:53]

Juski:

haha. helps when I do sudo make install rather than just make install

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daxxar:

kormoc, or do you mean if it includes MCE?

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kormoc:

daxxar, yeah, I mean if MCE is bundled with the card

[23:00:08]

daxxar:

The price is the exact same, down to the crown. :-)

[23:00:15]

kormoc:

that's strange

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kormoc:

well, I'd get the MCE one if it comes with a remote and the keyboard. it's really nice even if it doesn't really work under linux very well

[23:00:46]

kormoc:

(or at all as the case may be)

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daxxar:

The MCE seems to only support digital MPEG2.

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kormoc:

the standard 150 also only supports mpeg2

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daxxar:

The other says MPEG-1, MPEG-2. :)

[23:01:42]

daxxar:

Do you think the default remote works any better than the MCE remote?

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Juski:

erm.. what's 'cross source EIT' ?

[23:01:53]

daxxar:

In any case, the MCE one doesn't have a KB. Only a remote.

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kormoc:

daxxar, they use the same encoder chip...

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Juski:

nm

[23:02:04]

daxxar:

kormoc, .. strange. :-P

[23:02:07]

daxxar:

Mislabled products, perhaps.

[23:02:17]

daxxar:

http://www.komplett.no/mlf/produkt/bilder/cds/I388927.jpg http://www.komplett.no/mlf/produkt/bilder/cds/I274710.jpg

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BULLE:

daxxar: keyboard is optional, right ?

[23:02:26]

daxxar:

BULLE, hm?

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daxxar:

Both say 'additional equipment: Remote'

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BULLE:

ah, sorry

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BULLE:

if it is MCE, you are supposed to use the remote from yoru windows media center already, rgiht ?

[23:03:24]

kormoc:

yeah

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daxxar:

BULLE, the PVR-150 MCE says it includes the MCE remote and IR reciever. :o

[23:03:38]

BULLE:

and your windows media center keyboard, if you bought one

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BULLE:

daxxar: oh

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kormoc:

which is why the MCE edition has the radio, cause it doesn't have the ports for the ir receiver and blaster

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daxxar:

Strange. I'll go for the non-MCE then, I guess.

[23:04:19]

daxxar:

Btw, could be the MCE one has a standalone reciever.

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kormoc:

daxxar, http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_pvr150.html

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kormoc:

daxxar, http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_pvr150mce.html

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daxxar:

Btw, is it possible to use the PVR-150-remote without using the PVR-150? :)

[23:05:06]

BULLE:

daxxar: yes

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BULLE:

daxxar: the remote is supported as a lirc device

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daxxar:

Do I need anything in addition? (Some alternate reciever)

[23:05:29]

BULLE:

daxxar: no

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BULLE:

daxxar: or, what do you mean without using the pvr-150 ?

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imperfect-:

I've got 1 of each

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daxxar:

Without having it plugged in (if there's any heat issues, or I need to get some equipment to fit it properly).

[23:07:07]

daxxar:

I was originally planning on not getting a TV-tuner yet (save it for later), but when I was looking for a remote, it seemed to be almost as expensive as the PVR-150.

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WillCooke:

Juski: I'm making a patch so that the default is no!

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xris:

daxxar: why would you buy a pvr-150 if you wouldn't use it, though

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daxxar:

xris, I might, later. :-)

[23:09:16]

xris:

you can get a remote for $15

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xris:

or less

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xris:

$9.95 with a $10 rebate

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daxxar:

But I don't want to be limped without a remote if I decide to not use it. xD

[23:09:42]

daxxar:

The most important point is; in norway.

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xris:

daxxar: how do you even use mythtv without a tv card?

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Juski:

my arm hurts!

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xris:

daxxar: ANY universal remote will work with mythtv. just go down to the local electronics store and get a cheap one.

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xris:

IR receiver is a simple piece of hardware to build.

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daxxar:

Mkay.

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Juski:

nice.. radio scanning is in SVN

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** Juski jumps up & down **

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WillCooke:

Juski: Record plenty of ISIHAC

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Juski:

ohhhh yesh

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daxxar:

xris, MythVideo, MythMusic, etc. :)

[23:12:00]

xris:

daxxar: but those suck.

[23:12:07]

xris:

well, mythmusic does.

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daxxar:

xris, how so?

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daxxar:

xris, until I a) set up a backend with tv or b) install a tv-card in it.

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Juski:

time for der schkanning

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xris:

just saying that mythtv wasn't designed for running without tv... seems a little odd to run it without.

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daxxar:

Okay, perhaps I should look for a different platform for media-streaming, then get back to MythTV when I've got my TV-setup done.

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Juski:

remind me to un-borrow the aerial cable before I go...

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WillCooke:

Juski ......

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WillCooke:

remember to unborrow the aerial cable

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Juski:

it'll only fail to record Frasier tomorrow.. and I've been deleting them anyway

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xris:

daxxar: not sure about video, but there are many better solutions if you just need music

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daxxar:

Btw, for the VIA-cards, the onboard connector for IrDA, one ususally uses those with an extension cable / reciever?

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daxxar:

xris, the current main goal is video.

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Juski:

daxxar: IrDA != IR remote control

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daxxar:

Oh. Okay. CIR, then? ;D

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Juski:

use the onboard serial port header with a lirc_serial receiver

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Juski:

fucking hell – scanning worked marvellously – not what I expected (what are people complaining about?) ;)

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WillCooke:

bedtime – latets

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WillCooke:

laters

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Juski:

mouse... gestures?!

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Juski:

I need to go to bed... plugging the aerial back in its rightful place...

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Juski:

not bad for a nights' work...

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timmy334:

what is the recommended distro for running the latest mythtv? I like Ubuntu, but it's a pain and a half to get 0.19 working correctly.

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Juski:

timmy334: I just got SVN installed

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Juski:

no great shakes – you just need all the dependencies & some time

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timmy334:

hmmmmm. all the goodies instaled?

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Juski:

http://www.phatmonkey.org.uk/2006/02/22/a-ste . . . 9-on-ubuntu/

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Juski:

nah no plugins yet

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Juski:

just finished mythtv-setup though

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timmy334:

ah

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timmy334:

what're the most popular distro's for a dedicated myth box?

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Juski:

try that guide – you might have some luck with that

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Juski:

FC

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timmy334:

i will

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Juski:

knoppmyth

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Juski:

mythdora, gentoo...

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timmy334:

would you recommend ubuntu or another?

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Juski:

I've had a right headache tonight, but that was ubuntu issues not mythtv

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Juski:

I'm still a 'buntu noob

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plb:

If I have directory full of movies in bin/cue format can I watch them in myth?

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Juski:

damn sudo & stuff

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timmy334:

yeah I know

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Juski:

plb: no

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plb:

damn

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timmy334:

what did you use before?

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Juski:

timmy334: this is a dev/test box

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Juski:

still using gentoo & minimyth

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timmy334:

minimyth?

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Juski:

minimyth is a frontend only distro for Epia boards

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Juski:

about 64mb in size, net booted

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timmy334:

oh ok. I've never heard of it before

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Juski:

it's nifty

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Juski:

set up a tftp server & away you go (just about)

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timmy334:

for your stable myth box you use gentoo though?

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Juski:

gentoo is quite easy, but it's a lot of compiling

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timmy334:

I've used it for a long time

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Juski:

you can cut that down by using packages though

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timmy334:

I just switched to Ubuntu to get some variety ;-)

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Juski:

cut a 48 hour install down to < 4 hours

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Juski:

I installed 0.18 on this ubuntu box last year in just under 2 hours from bare HDD

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timmy334:

yeah, an ubuntu install is hella fast

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Juski:

there are packages for 0.19 on ubuntu

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timmy334:

i've had probs with those

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Juski:

not part of the standard repositories, that's the only issue

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Juski:

I just decided to go all out & roll my own

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Juski:

apt-get install build-dep mythtv mythplugins & you're half way

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timmy334:

any way I could get those debs? ;-)

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Juski:

what? mine?

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timmy334:

if they work

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Juski:

it's SVN

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Juski:

built with XvMC & DVB

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Juski:

and er – I dunno how to make debs

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timmy334:

me neither

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Juski:

anyway it's time for my bed

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Juski:

night all

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timmy334:

anyway, I'll probably try gentoo again

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timmy334:

l8rz

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abarbaccia:

hey all – how do i check which svn version i'm running?

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daxxar:

svn info

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daxxar:

Or, uhm. Do you mean the binary? :P

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abarbaccia:

daxxar: i compiled from cvs 0.19.1

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abarbaccia:

but mytharchive wants SVN Revision 9846

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abarbaccia:

i want to know if i meet this prereq

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daxxar:

xris, hm, I see what you said about making your own IR reciever. most expensive parts are the com-port connector and casing. ;-D

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xris:

abarbaccia: it wants trunk, not .19-fixes

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xris:

daxxar: yeah. easy to make. hard to make look pretty. heh

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daxxar:

Hehe. :-)

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xris:

the other thing people do is get an IR keyboard, and then program their universal remote to send keystrokes.

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abarbaccia:

xris: my .19.1 version is greater than the one it says is needed – but is fixes a completely different branch than the main

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radi0head:

plb; mplayer can load .bin.

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daxxar:

xris, that'd require an universal remote. I recon simple remotes are cheaper. :-)

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abarbaccia:

xris: i did a little research – you're right – it needs trunk not fixes ;-)

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xris:

daxxar: in the US, you can't just buy a simple remote. universal remote is like $10 for a cheap one

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daxxar:

Okay.

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xris:

doesn't have to be universal, either.. just programmable

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WAR_CH|LD:

in version 0.19 of mythtv, how has the dvb video recording method's change? mainly because use the video recorded by myth to put it into a image recognition system and with the new version 0.19 and changing the file format to mpg it no longer works

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xris:

daxxar: it just happens that engadget wrote an irc howto today: http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/16/how-to-ir- . . . ur-computer/

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daxxar:

:o

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pigeon:

hmm

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daxxar:

Thanks. :-)

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pigeon:

finally upgraded my 0.16 to 0.19

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bigslam:

yo

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bigslam:

im having some trouble

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bigslam:

http://pastebin.com/721566

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bigslam:

installing xmltv

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