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Monday, May 15th, 2006, 00:01 UTC
[00:01:38] _nero_: evaded, did you run mythtv-setup?
[00:01:56] evaded: _nero_: Yeah, it's just after running that command that he complain
[00:02:24] evaded: _nero_: Idem with mythfrontend
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[00:03:51] evaded: _nero_: I have get 3 parts by using svn. I have compile mythtv, but not the other two things
[00:04:29] evaded: _nero_: I guess that i need to install mythplugins myththemes :-/
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[00:05:36] evaded: _nero_: Here on this page, the first three comamnds http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/. There are not talk about to install mythplugins myththemes
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[00:07:04] _nero_: I would recommend installing everything..
[00:07:14] _nero_: oh..
[00:07:18] _nero_: are you running mythbackend?
[00:07:32] _nero_: the correct steps would be: mythtv-startup, mythbackend, mythfrontend.
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[00:07:46] _nero_: (make sure mythbackend is NOT running when you run mythtv-setup.
[00:08:01] evaded: _nero_: hhhm. Ok i do it like you have say it ;-)
[00:08:13] dscoular`: _nero_, in the above I think you mean mythtv-setup not mythtv-startup
[00:08:29] _nero_: ugh.. yes dscoular` mythtv-setup
[00:08:44] _nero_: typing is fundamental.. ;)
[00:08:45] evaded: ok
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[00:09:49] _nero_: evaded, and in mythtv-setup you are defining a source for programming info?
[00:10:16] evaded: _nero_: I'm not so far :-/ i first need to install these 2 missing things :-/
[00:10:22] Mattwj2005: so do you guys think we'll always have to have a digital cable box for digital cable?
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[00:11:11] evaded: But after: 'cd mytpluggins; ./configure' There are sayed 'Disabling MythMusic due to missing dependencies.'
[00:11:36] dmz: hey y'all, i recently did an upgrade on my myth box and noticed that if i try to import dvd's now it imports them as .iso which shouldn't be a problem over as .nuv, however now my player doesn't seem able to play the file. any suggestions?
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[00:11:42] Mattwj2005: I know we have digital tuner cards but I also know cable companies have started encypting the data
[00:11:57] evaded: MythMusic was been working before, when i used mythtv from an '*.deb'
[00:13:00] Mattwj2005: it is the whole greed versus cool technology
[00:16:22] evaded: Is there an way to know wich depencies i need to get MythMusic compiled?
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[00:16:50] evaded: I mean to know wich library :-/
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[00:18:29] evaded: So in'/mythplugins$' i run './configure'
[00:19:35] evaded: And then get some lines where the one of the first are 'Disabling MythMusic due to missing dependencies.' and an bit bellow of it 'MythMusic plugin will not be built'. I try to install the 'mythplugins'
[00:20:01] evaded: So what need i?
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[00:20:12] Mattwj2005: I am guessing lame?
[00:21:27] evaded: Mattwj2005: It's installed :-.
[00:21:40] Mattwj2005: oh ok
[00:22:06] evaded: Mattwj2005: With the 'deb' binary i have not that problem :-(
[00:22:29] evaded: argh, and i need it :-/
[00:24:21] evaded: Is there somethings differents of the debian deb and the last version of source?
[00:24:50] evaded: Yes, i know, there are some features more. But i mean with MythMusic
[00:25:17] evaded: The codecs or somethings that block my to enable mythmusic
[00:26:15] evaded: What is this feature? 'enable AAC/MP4 audio file decompression [no]'
[00:27:38] Mattwj2005: okay do you have mad, libid3tag, flac, libcdaudio, cdparanoia-II|, and did you do ./configure --disable-all --enable-mythmusic --enable-fftw --enable-sdl --enable-aac?
[00:28:13] Mattwj2005: that is just what I got out of the documentation....I am using Knoppmyth right now
[00:28:17] evaded: Mattwj2005: Thanks for the support. I check it
[00:28:27] Mattwj2005: okay...no problem
[00:29:56] evaded: Mattwj2005: It's looks like that i have only 'flac' :-/
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[00:31:20] Vantage13: how do you set the options tuner type if you have two cards of different types?
[00:31:39] Mattwj2005: sweet dude....I think we found the problem!
[00:31:50] Mattwj2005: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-17.html
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[00:33:11] evaded: Mattwj2005: Yeah, right it's looks that. I not understand because i had mythtv already installed provided by the Debian distro. And everythings worked.
[00:33:49] Mattwj2005: hmm....not sure what to say....I am a newbie when it comes to MythTV
[00:33:51] Mattwj2005: :)
[00:35:52] evaded: Is 'mad = madplay' ??
[00:37:06] Mattwj2005: it looks like madplay is an application that uses mad
[00:37:14] Mattwj2005: http://www.underbit.com/products/mad/
[00:40:41] Mattwj2005: well guys I got to go to bed...I have work early tomorrow morning...
[00:40:48] Mattwj2005: good luck evaded
[00:40:50] Mattwj2005: :)
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[00:41:01] evaded: Sleep well ;-)
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[00:48:51] WAR_CH|LD: where the hell is the "ringbuf" setting set?
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[00:50:22] WAR_CH|LD: eg. the live tv buffer
[00:50:27] ficusplanet: Hey everyone. Does anybody know of any 0.19 packages for ubuntu dapper?
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[01:01:15] Cardoe: yo
[01:04:04] WAR_CH|LD: where the hell is the "ringbuf" setting set? eg. the live tv buffer location
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[01:28:29] ficusplanet: When I try to play a file from a remote backend, I get the error: Could not connect to server "127.0.0.1" @ port 6543
[01:28:48] sphing_: ficusplanet: remote frontend?
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[01:29:28] ficusplanet: sphing: Well, I meant play the file, which is coming from a remote backend, on the frontend, but yes.
[01:30:32] sphing: it sounds like mythtv-setup needs to be run?
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[01:31:06] WAR_CH|LD: where the hell is the "ringbuf" setting set? eg. the live tv buffer location
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[01:36:15] ficusplanet: sphing: Do you know what would need to be changed in mythtv-setup? I've already run it several times and I can see my recordings, etc., in the frontend, but when I try to view one I get that error in the terminal.
[01:37:03] sphing: master backend ip
[01:40:28] ficusplanet: sphing: That is already set to the correct IP address. I can connect to the backend and see everything on it just fine, I only get the error when trying to play a file.
[01:41:24] sphing: hmmm im not sure
[01:41:43] sphing: on the masterbackend, the masterbackend ip shouldnt be localhost
[01:41:50] sphing: it should be the eth0 address... try that maybe?
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[01:45:50] sphing: any luck?
[01:47:29] ficusplanet: Yup. That did it. Thanks a bunch.
[01:49:51] WAR_CH|LD: where the hell is the "ringbuf" setting set? eg. the live tv buffer location
[01:50:00] WAR_CH|LD: man, something so simple I can not find it
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[01:58:48] Ryushin: Anyone have any idea whatsoever why my listings are suddenly an hour ahead of what they should be?
[01:59:04] Ryushin: The time is correct on my server.
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[02:11:46] sean33: timezone daylight savings ?
[02:12:52] Ryushin: Sorry. It seems that one channel, has gotten thier HD times set for an hour ealier then what they really are.
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[02:13:37] Ryushin: So that means, my wifes desperate housewives wasn't really recording. I just did it manually and it's recording Grey's Anatomy, which is realy Desperate Housewives.
[02:13:56] Ryushin: So I guess I'll have to contact the provider to find out about it.
[02:14:11] Ryushin: Anyway, problem figured out. Now I just gotta figure out how to fix it.
[02:14:18] Ryushin: Back to watching my show.  :)
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[02:52:48] mostr: anyone awake?
[02:53:15] mostr: I'm trying to find a lircrc file for the old black hauppauge remote. I'm not having much success.
[02:53:29] mostr: google got me a hit but it's from 2003 and it used irxevent.
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[03:01:30] Netslayer: anyone using a pchdtv for qam capture?
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[03:14:25] WAR_CH|LD: where the hell is the "ringbuf" setting set? eg. the live tv buffer location. can you change this setting to be different from your video store location?
[03:15:45] Agrajag-: of course.. pretty sure you set the recordings directory in mythtv-setup
[03:20:03] WAR_CH|LD: yeah, I seee that bit
[03:20:16] WAR_CH|LD: video store locatoin I want to remain the same
[03:20:24] WAR_CH|LD: and I am dam sure in 0.18.1 you could change the ringbuf location as well
[03:20:34] WAR_CH|LD: al lthe buffer loation, but be damned if I can find it in 0.19
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[03:21:02] WAR_CH|LD: or have they made it "ringbuf location is video store location and thats it"
[03:21:07] WAR_CH|LD: I would like them to be different.
[03:22:47] Agrajag-: oh, you're talking recordings location not mythvideo videos location?
[03:23:03] WAR_CH|LD: no i'm talking about the location of the livetv buffer. :P
[03:23:16] Agrajag-: nah you could never have that different from recordings
[03:23:31] WAR_CH|LD: you sure? well I wanna
[03:23:52] Agrajag-: im sure.. and you can't.. why do you want to?
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[03:24:09] evaded: I have just installed mythtv from source. When i run 'mythtv-setup' i get the error 'Myth could not locate the menu file setup.xml We will now return to the main menu'. What are going wrong?
[03:24:16] pmdumuid: I can't recall, but isn't it a common filename, (without a date) so you could possibly symlink the file name to another dir?
[03:24:30] penticlex: can any one help with btaudio
[03:25:00] penticlex: I cant fnd the modules for it that the wiki is talking about
[03:25:13] pmdumuid: common as in the name of the buffer file doesn't change...
[03:25:39] evaded: pmdumuid: So i look where it is
[03:25:59] pmdumuid: (I am purely speculating from memory, at work at the moment)
[03:26:51] evaded: pmdumuid: Where is it located? /usr/share/mythtv ??
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[03:27:45] WAR_CH|LD: Agrajag- because the video store location is an NFS share and
[03:28:03] WAR_CH|LD: i'm getting some playback issues, but the ringbuf could be played locally which would increase playback speed
[03:28:05] Netslayer: anyone know where i can find a guide to setting up a channel list for qam decrypting with a pchdtv card?
[03:28:16] WAR_CH|LD: insted of writing it over nfs
[03:30:57] penticlex: or any one know how to get my capture to read from somthing other than line in?
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[03:33:33] evaded: I have just installed mythtv from source. When i run 'mythtv-setup' i get the error 'Myth could not locate the menu file setup.xml We will now return to the main menu'. What are going wrong? Where are this file located normally?
[03:34:04] WAR_CH|LD: how did you install it?
[03:34:32] evaded: WAR_CH|LD: I have get the source form svn and have follow the instruction in the README file
[03:34:35] WAR_CH|LD: if your logged in as root you should do something lke "./configure && qmake mythtv.pro && make && make install"
[03:34:53] WAR_CH|LD: ah, svn. thats beytond me. I stick wit hte stable rls. :)
[03:35:27] evaded: WAR_CH|LD: Yeah, it's the stable one i use
[03:35:42] WAR_CH|LD: well then just leec 0.19 from the website
[03:35:45] evaded: As root i have already do the above command
[03:35:49] penticlex: does any one know how to get this working if my audio is not going through my line in?
[03:36:22] evaded: WAR_CH|LD: leec?
[03:36:35] pmdumuid: evaded: sorry, I was actually talking to WAR_CH|LD
[03:36:57] evaded: pmdumuid: ;-)
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[03:37:39] evaded: I have found an file in /usr/local/share/mythtv/setup.xml
[03:38:30] WAR_CH|LD: leech
[03:38:42] evaded: Is that been the right place? I guess not, like mythtv-setup complain about the setup.xml file that he not find. And i can not go to the setup phase :-/
[03:38:57] AngryElf: if i were to transcode a DVD down what would be a bottom limit of GB/hour to preserve dvd quality?
[03:39:11] WAR_CH|LD: ah, pmdumuid it changes name..... to hte time of creation
[03:39:17] WAR_CH|LD: as far as i can tell
[03:39:19] WAR_CH|LD: good idea thou
[03:41:00] WAR_CH|LD: evaded, that file for me is in that location
[03:41:13] WAR_CH|LD: 4 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3057 Apr 18 12:04 setup.xml
[03:41:14] WAR_CH|LD: mythmaster:/usr/local/share/mythtv #
[03:41:37] evaded: WAR_CH|LD: But he complain that he not find it :-/
[03:42:46] evaded: It have take the whole night to complie :-/ you know the story it's 05:45 am here now :-/
[03:45:16] evaded: So, how to remove mythtv when we have compile it from source. I recompile it again, no matters
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[03:52:10] WAR_CH|LD: yeah, you got me man
[03:53:07] WAR_CH|LD: has anyeone experienced "NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times." that error? on watching livetv and recorded stuff it pauses and gives that error in the frontend log
[03:53:28] evaded: WAR_CH|LD: In the README there are been writed how to install it. For the most applications, it's always good commented and you get some infos how to install. But how to uninstall??
[03:54:13] evaded: WAR_CH|LD: So that state are, i been know how to compile apps, but how to /decompile/ the apps installed :-/
[03:55:00] evaded: Theoretically just need to remove files that are added by mythtv
[03:55:51] sean33: im tring to upgrade CSV version of lirc but the setup.sh menu doesnt seem to function ?
[03:58:34] WAR_CH|LD: pretty much
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[04:00:11] SirPageno: hi all, i'm looking for a good suggestion to replace my closed caption font
[04:00:55] SirPageno: it works now... but I don't get the music symbols when music is indicated by the closed caption
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[04:21:13] SirPageno: hi all, i'm looking for a good suggestion to replace my closed caption font
[04:21:14] SirPageno: it works now... but I don't get the music symbols when music is indicated by the closed caption
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[04:24:27] dscoular`: evaded, you did do a "make install" didn't you ?
[04:24:58] evaded: dscoular: I have been do it :-/
[04:26:16] dscoular`: evaded, if you installed from 0.19-fixes svn and didn't give configure a custom prefix the setup.xml file should be in /usr/local/share/mythtv
[04:26:21] evaded: dscoular: I have also install that available for in apt. So now it's sure, nothings more work :-/
[04:26:56] evaded: I clean a bit, looks like i'm have try it like an desesperate
[04:27:26] evaded: dscoular: It's been of that version that i have do an install
[04:27:34] dscoular`: evaded, are you saying you installed from source and apt-get ?
[04:28:28] evaded: dscoular: First from apt, then have use it an time. Then remove it. Install it from source. Like these have not work and i have not find how to remove it. I have get an bonus and have install that deb one.
[04:30:01] dscoular`: evaded, sorry finding it a little hard to understand you. If you are using the source version give the full path i.e. /usr/local/bin/mythtv-setup to avoid confusion with apt installed binaries
[04:30:37] evaded: dscoular: Yes, sorry. I explain me bad.
[04:32:35] dscoular`: evaded, does a setup.xml file exist in /usr/local/share/mythtv ?
[04:32:49] evaded: dscoular: I have been use mythtv for an little time. Like there was an know problem with xmltv and mythfilldatabase and tv_grab_be. I had a need to get an newer version. So i have remove the myth debian version and have install if from source. But after install it from source i got the ^ msg
[04:33:05] evaded: dscoular: Yes, it's been there
[04:33:35] dscoular`: evaded, so what happens when you run with the full path e.g. /usr/local/bin/mythtv-setup ?
[04:34:16] dscoular`: evaded, when you say installed from source are you talking about mythtv or tv_grab_de ?
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[04:34:33] evaded: dscoular: The both
[04:35:07] evaded: I got many Access denied for user 'mythtv2'@'localhost'. I guess i have mess the mysql config of it.
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[04:36:14] dscoular`: evaded, okay is mythtv2 the name of your mysql database login ?
[04:36:23] evaded: After that the first screen, username, database... Then he close the app
[04:37:04] evaded: dscoular: Yes, fist it was without that 2
[04:37:20] dscoular`: Did you create the mysql database as per the HOWTO documentation ?
[04:37:28] a1fa: yo yo yo
[04:37:39] a1fa: how is this svn version lookin' like?
[04:37:44] a1fa: the one from two days ago
[04:37:47] a1fa: is buggy as hell
[04:37:50] evaded: dscoular: I had follow it. I no remmeber the procedure
[04:38:25] dscoular`: evaded, I think you should start again, following the documentation step by step.
[04:38:30] evaded: It's been mythtv_release_0_19_fixes/ ?
[04:38:59] dscoular`: The howto covering 0.19 should be applicable to 0.19-fixes.
[04:39:24] evaded: dscoular: Yes, i think also, it was an `black` night. I need to redo the whole thing. But i have things to record. I think i take the K7 method lol ;-)
[04:39:27] dscoular`: a1fa, well danielk fixed the bug I reported in a flash (3 hours)! It's not too bad now
[04:40:01] a1fa: dscoular: what bug?
[04:40:10] evaded: dscoular`: But how to remove mythtv when we have install it from source?
[04:40:21] a1fa: make uninstall
[04:40:35] dscoular`: a1fa, 1807 (from memory) I'll check the ticket no... segv on menu key in live tv.
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[04:41:17] a1fa: i remember that
[04:41:23] a1fa: it works fine on mine
[04:41:29] a1fa: i noticed when you watch recorded shows
[04:41:31] a1fa: and you skip
[04:41:34] evaded: a1fa: Oh yeee, finally it's look simply
[04:41:35] a1fa: the skip doesnt work
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[04:42:18] dscoular`: a1fa, works fine for me. It doesn't work too well if you use Internal for mythvideo but I use xine for that.
[04:42:47] a1fa: nah
[04:42:53] a1fa: this is prerecorded shows
[04:43:01] evaded: Guys guys guys, i love you so. It's been removed
[04:43:03] dscoular`: prerecorded is fine for me
[04:43:17] a1fa: try to skip video
[04:43:26] a1fa: and fast forward
[04:43:28] a1fa: audio sounds delayed
[04:43:32] dscoular`: I get occasional frontend crashes and input lockup.
[04:43:56] dscoular`: a1fa, but skip and ff are fine... I'm not near my mythbox right now though.
[04:44:37] dscoular`: a1fa, I reckon you want later than 9926
[04:44:42] hpAuto: anyone know if the firmware for a pvr-150 is differant than for a 250?
[04:45:37] a1fa: 9932.
[04:45:38] a1fa: ;)
[04:45:39] dscoular`: hpAuto, doesn't ivtv.sf.net tell you that ?
[04:45:57] dscoular`: a1fa, wow!
[04:46:23] hpAuto: no, it does not
[04:46:39] hpAuto: that's why I'm asking
[04:46:52] a1fa: it should be the same
[04:47:09] a1fa: cos there is only one firmware
[04:47:13] a1fa: for those cards
[04:47:27] dscoular`: a1fa, I'm recording from DVB-T though maybe that's different ff code ?
[04:47:30] hpAuto: it's a bit unclear
[04:48:10] a1fa: i just updated to 9932
[04:48:13] dscoular`: I just googled: http://ivtv.writeme.ch/tiki-index.php?page=PVR150-500Firmware
[04:48:13] a1fa: :)
[04:48:22] a1fa: i need to stop upgrading so often
[04:48:38] a1fa: need to find a good time to get a decent bug free version
[04:48:46] dscoular`: 0.18.1 ;)
[04:48:57] a1fa: 0.19-fixes
[04:48:58] a1fa: is fine
[04:48:59] hpAuto: damn, followed that to a T, and doesn't work
[04:49:50] a1fa: oh well
[04:49:51] a1fa: :)
[04:49:54] hello_man: hi dscoular.. how are you
[04:49:54] dscoular`: I suspect thats because the info is out of date for some distros and /lib/firmware is the place on some.
[04:49:58] a1fa: mythtv should comercialize :)
[04:49:59] dscoular`: What distro ?
[04:50:11] hpAuto: yea, i tried both locations
[04:50:18] hello_man: hi everybody..
[04:50:21] dscoular`: hpAuto, there are three actually
[04:50:29] hello_man: dscoular, I am hi_dude from yesterday.. ;-)
[04:50:34] hpAuto: what's the 3rd, /lib/modules?
[04:50:45] dscoular`: hpAuto, what distro, what places have you tried ?
[04:50:57] ** dscoular` waves at hello_man **
[04:50:57] hpAuto: fedora4
[04:51:27] dscoular`: hpAuto, on ubuntu dapper they have things in /lib/firmware/`uname -r`
[04:51:42] dscoular`: hpAuto, for fc4 I reckon it's /lib/firmware/
[04:51:52] hpAuto: lemmie see where the rpm puts them
[04:52:05] a1fa: rpm s0ck
[04:52:21] dscoular`: hmm, if it's from an rpm specific to fc4 then it should "just work(tm)"
[04:52:27] hello_man: guys.. can somebody tell me if mythtv works with ACPI suspend to RAM /resume etc
[04:52:52] dscoular`: Did you get the RPM via yum ?
[04:53:33] ** a1fa reboots his mythtv box after god knows how many days :) **
[04:55:45] a1fa: ff bug fixed
[04:56:19] a1fa: i whish that mythphone bug is fixed
[04:56:26] dscoular`: a1fa, danielk is good
[04:56:38] dscoular`: a1fa, which one ?
[04:57:07] a1fa: the one that it makes it not work with firewall and nat
[04:57:48] dscoular`: a1fa, isn't that down to your ability to make the firewall forward the appropriate UDP ports ?
[04:58:05] a1fa: i've done that
[04:58:14] a1fa: stupid shit aint workin
[04:58:55] a1fa: asterisk server keeps re-sending ack packet to it
[04:59:01] a1fa: the server never gets it
[04:59:13] hello_man: dscoular my friend.. you are a mythttv guru..
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[04:59:31] hello_man: please help me get some more knowledge about mythtv
[04:59:45] dscoular`: hello_man, I know nothing about suspend/resume.
[04:59:45] a1fa: lol
[04:59:45] a1fa: stfu
[04:59:53] hello_man: how do you use mythtv? does it run 24 hrs a day?
[05:00:00] dscoular`: yep
[05:00:01] a1fa: it doesnt have to
[05:00:24] a1fa: you can have a computer on your network wakeup
[05:00:33] a1fa: mythtv when you need it
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[05:01:00] hello_man: a1fa.. I have a deticated box connected to my HDTV. currenlty running windows..
[05:01:13] hpAuto: I can't seem to get this pvr-150 to work, I get "tuner 1–0061: tuner type not set"
[05:01:17] hello_man: as of now, when I want to watch TV, i use the remote and press pwoer button.
[05:01:17] hpAuto: anyone have an idea?
[05:01:42] hello_man: once I am done, I press pwoer button again and my box is suspended to RAm. Dead..
[05:01:52] hello_man: when it need to record, it comes back automatically..
[05:01:57] hello_man: can I do that with linux and mythtv?
[05:02:01] a1fa: ok
[05:02:12] a1fa: i am guessing that computer is still running
[05:02:33] a1fa: yes you can do the same thing
[05:02:36] hello_man: computer is actually suspended to RAM with hard disk and otehr stuff down.
[05:02:46] hello_man: it wakes up with USB event
[05:02:49] dscoular`: hpAuto, use google... http://lists.atrpms.net/pipermail/atrpms-user . . . /004685.html
[05:02:50] hello_man: or mouse move or keyboard
[05:02:55] a1fa: ok
[05:02:58] a1fa: good
[05:03:06] hello_man: how does it work with linux and mythtv
[05:03:13] hpAuto: yea, I exhaused most the links on that error, non work
[05:03:30] hello_man: I believe linux has some ACPI support but will mythtv can wake it up for recording?
[05:03:42] hello_man: from suspend or standby.
[05:03:48] hpAuto: tried latest ivtv
[05:03:53] dscoular`: hello_man, you can send a wake-on-lan packet to some bios
[05:03:59] hello_man: I knwo it can use nvram etc to set a wakeup timer
[05:04:08] hello_man: but that's from shutdown
[05:04:31] hello_man: dscoular right.. but I don't need to wake from another computer.
[05:04:35] hello_man: I can wake from remote..
[05:04:46] hello_man: my question is, will mythtv record if computer is in standby or suspended mode
[05:04:58] hello_man: does mythbackend be running at that time?
[05:05:00] a1fa: night
[05:05:11] ** dscoular` side are splitting **
[05:05:48] dscoular`: hello_man, nothing is running at suspend or standby mode as far as linux is concerned
[05:05:49] hpAuto: I'm just doubing I need the svn of ivtv to get a pvr-150 working
[05:06:29] dscoular`: hpAuto, I thought loads of people had pvt-150 working... I'd be suprised if you needed cvs... I'll research via google
[05:06:47] hello_man: you can research via msn as well
[05:07:00] hello_man: its getting better
[05:07:01] hpAuto: hehe, or yahoo
[05:08:58] dscoular`: Can you do an rpm -qa '*ivtv*' ?
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[05:10:52] dscoular`: Can you paste the relevent /var/log/messages into http://pastebin.ca ?
[05:11:34] hpAuto: I tried compiled 6.2, and the rpms
[05:12:21] WAR_CH|LD: how does the livetv buffereing work? because at the moment i'm watching tv and i'm watching the file created when I started watchin the tv and it's now up too .5gb.. when does it stop?
[05:12:28] WAR_CH|LD: I dont recall this happening before, is there an optino for this?
[05:13:02] dscoular`: hpAuto, shouldn't that be 0.6.2 ?
[05:13:14] hpAuto: yea
[05:14:34] dscoular`: hpAuto, so which are you currently using source based or rpm based ?
[05:14:53] hpAuto: I was using source, just tried rpm again
[05:15:17] hpAuto: I dunno what happands now that both are on
[05:15:50] dscoular`: what is the full name of the rpm your are using and the output of "uname -r" ?
[05:16:49] hpAuto: 2.6.16–1.2108_FC4, ivtv-kmdl-2.6.16–1.2108_FC4–0.6.2–110.rhfc4.at
[05:17:07] dscoular`: hpAuto, looks good
[05:18:10] dscoular`: There seems to be an ivtv-firmware rpm available too
[05:18:56] dscoular`: Is this a x86_64 or i368 box ?
[05:19:03] hpAuto: yea, I'm using ivtv-firmware-dec-2.02.023–9.at, ivtv-firmware-enc-2.04.024–9.at
[05:19:10] hpAuto: seems to load that
[05:19:28] WAR_CH|LD: how do I tell if livetv is recording?
[05:19:59] dscoular`: WAR_CH|LD it will appear in red on the "Watch recordings" screen.
[05:20:38] dscoular`: hpAuto, reboot and tell me what are you seeing in /var/log/messages
[05:20:42] WAR_CH|LD: how aobut if it's recording livetv... eg. waht i'm watching
[05:21:14] dscoular`: WAR_CH|LD, erm... if you are watching it with 0.19 then it is recording it too.
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[05:21:54] WAR_CH|LD: ah, is that right
[05:22:03] dscoular`: If you go into "Watch Recordings", you can change the group filter to show "livetv" and it will list everything you have watched in the last 24 hours
[05:22:23] dscoular`: Assuming the default expiry is unchanged.
[05:22:26] WAR_CH|LD: wouldn't that waste a lot of hdd
[05:22:34] WAR_CH|LD: and this would autoexpire
[05:22:44] WAR_CH|LD: say after 24hours by default?
[05:22:47] dscoular`: WAR_CH|LD, you got it
[05:23:04] WAR_CH|LD: so there is no "ringbuf" like in 0.18.1
[05:23:11] dscoular`: WAR_CH|LD, if you want to keep anything you just mark it as no autoexpire.
[05:23:21] dscoular`: WAR_CH|LD, no that's long gone
[05:23:22] WAR_CH|LD: oh, on. nothing liek that
[05:24:02] WAR_CH|LD: alright, so what happens if the live tv runs out of hdd?
[05:24:12] WAR_CH|LD: the backend just starts autoexpering stuff to make room?
[05:24:22] dscoular`: WAR_CH|LD, this has been discussed ad infinitum in the mailing list.
[05:24:30] WAR_CH|LD: and I assume any old livetv recordings are the first things to be autoexpired
[05:24:54] WAR_CH|LD: well my googles have come up with nothing
[05:24:55] WAR_CH|LD: but, sure
[05:25:12] dscoular`: WAR_CH|LD, mythtv.org mailing list archives are your friend.
[05:25:30] WAR_CH|LD: so are you. :P
[05:25:44] ** dscoular` blushes and looks at shoes. **
[05:26:30] WAR_CH|LD: hehe, but what i'm observing makes sense now
[05:26:57] dscoular`: Good... it's a huge change but once you get used to it you'll like it methinks
[05:27:13] WAR_CH|LD: yeah, atm I prefer the old one
[05:27:22] WAR_CH|LD: way, but I get the advanages to this way
[05:27:25] dscoular`: Everyone does... till the get used to it.
[05:27:47] WAR_CH|LD: hehe, I would lke to show you an error. let me pastbin it
[05:27:53] dscoular`: I didn't like the default for all new recordings to be expirable so that's all I changed.
[05:27:58] hpAuto: http://onracine.com:8080/log.txt is the messages log
[05:28:18] WAR_CH|LD: http://pastebin.ca/55955
[05:28:30] dscoular`: one at a time please ;)
[05:28:31] WAR_CH|LD: I get this mysql error every now and then
[05:28:43] WAR_CH|LD: I find nothing on google
[05:28:51] WAR_CH|LD: it looks to be a one of a kind.
[05:28:57] WAR_CH|LD: and it totally kills myth
[05:29:05] WAR_CH|LD: the whole setup, that error is found in the frontend log
[05:29:38] WAR_CH|LD: as you can see, it says the database isn't there or it isn't open..... but it was working 100% until this point
[05:29:38] dscoular`: hpAuto, you need to set the tuner type in your module aliases (from memory... I had a PVR 350 two years ago). Let me check
[05:29:42] WAR_CH|LD: and that same box setup is working right now
[05:30:00] WAR_CH|LD: so I dont udnerstand while every now and then i'll get this which kills everything. :(
[05:30:18] hpAuto: yea, I tried a few, options tuner type=39, 50
[05:30:31] hpAuto: I dunno which it is
[05:30:39] dscoular`: For PAL I remember the number 5 being important.
[05:31:47] dscoular`: I see type=56 is a Philips PAL/SECAM multi (FQ1216AME MK4
[05:31:55] dscoular`: Any idea what type you want ?
[05:32:36] dscoular`: WAR_CH|LD, maybe a database rebuild would fix that... not sure.
[05:33:27] hpAuto: NTSC Hauppauge model 26132
[05:34:25] WAR_CH|LD: I have completed a mysqlcheck -r mythconverg but hat finds nothing and says life is good
[05:34:55] WAR_CH|LD: how do you propase I complete a rebuild?
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[05:36:57] dscoular`: myisamchk path to table will check it
[05:37:11] dscoular`: myisamchk -r /path/to/table will repair it.
[05:37:25] WAR_CH|LD: cools
[05:37:41] dscoular`: Let me look at the pastebin again... for a bit longer
[05:37:51] WAR_CH|LD: k
[05:37:59] WAR_CH|LD: I have googled it a lot, I seem to get nothing.
[05:38:27] WAR_CH|LD: the backewnd isn't restart, and the mysqld logs look great as well. nothingh in there
[05:38:59] WAR_CH|LD: I tohught maybe the mythfrontend was holding the connection open and then mysqld was closing the connecio non it or something liek that but I can not find any info on it
[05:39:05] dscoular`: WAR_CH|LD, yeah recordedmarkup is the busiest table methinks.
[05:39:31] dscoular`: WAR_CH|LD, the mythtv users archive has tips on rebuilding the recordedmarkup table.
[05:40:19] dscoular`: hpAuto, It sounds like it's not detecting your particular model of card. I've search the ivtv mailing list for fellow 150 users.
[05:40:41] dscoular`: hpAuto, the critical thing is usually that the driver matches the output of lspci
[05:41:23] dscoular`: The critical elements being the vendor string, subvendor string, vendor device and subvendor device.
[05:41:48] dscoular`: hpAuto, these can vary from card to card and the driver might not know your combo.
[05:42:04] hpAuto: hm, that's no good
[05:42:27] dscoular`: best I can do considering I don't have a PVR card these days... sorry.
[05:42:42] dscoular`: What is the output of lspci -n
[05:43:16] dscoular`: If you can figure out just the line for the 150 via lspci
[05:43:22] dscoular`: and lspci -v
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[05:44:02] hpAuto: Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc iTVC16 (CX23416) MPEG-2 Encoder (rev 01), Class 0400: 4444:0016 (rev 01)
[05:44:24] dscoular`: And the matching entry for lspci -n would be ?
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[05:44:36] hpAuto: Class 0400: 4444:0016 (rev 01) I think
[05:44:48] WAR_CH|LD: dscoular whats the file extension on those tables?
[05:45:14] dscoular`: WAR_CH|LD, I'd check the mythtv-users archive first.
[05:45:25] dscoular`: WAR_CH|LD, I'm not 100% sure myself
[05:46:13] WAR_CH|LD: k, found it
[05:46:16] WAR_CH|LD: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/
[05:46:22] dscoular`: hpAuto, looks like you are not alone: //www.mail-archive.com/ivtv-devel@ivtvdriver.org/msg02282.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mail-archive.com/ivtv-devel@ivtvdr . . . sg02282.html
[05:46:46] dscoular`: hpAuto, I think your card is a little to new and shiney ;)
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[05:47:17] hpAuto: hm, I can try svn of ivtv if it might be supported there
[05:47:29] dscoular`: hpAuto, I'd ask the list
[05:48:14] dscoular`: or irc #ivtv-dev
[05:48:46] hpAuto: yea, nobody is there
[05:49:08] dscoular`: hpAuto, email the list methinks
[05:49:14] hpAuto: k
[05:50:51] ** dscoular` goes back to coding perl **
[05:50:54] smithson: do I have do change the char major number to 0–1 when I have 2 pvr-150 cards w/ lirc?
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[05:52:47] WAR_CH|LD: dscoular, thank for the help. it seems to have fond nothing wrong thou. :(
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[05:54:49] dscoular`: WAR_CH|LD, hmm, sorry... I'm stumped then.
[05:55:03] ** dscoular` must learn to ignore irc when at work ;) **
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[05:55:54] k-man: hello
[05:56:15] k-man: whats a good cheap video card with tv-out?
[05:56:19] k-man: for a dedicated front end
[05:56:27] dscoular`: hpAuto, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ivtv/de . . . readed#29764
[05:57:08] dscoular`: k-man, I'm happy with my MSI NVidia MX440 ... though I have heard people rave about the FX5200
[05:57:25] hpAuto: it never really said it was unknown though in the logs
[05:57:36] k-man: hmm... ok
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[06:12:43] smithson: should I be getting a lirc module listed in lsmod if im running fc4 ?
[06:14:27] hpAuto: I got the tuner to work!
[06:15:22] hpAuto: had to set the tuner manually, but added options ivtv tuner=50
[06:15:41] hpAuto: I was doing options tuner
[06:16:05] dscoular`: hpAuto, woo hoo!
[06:22:37] hpAuto: thanks, I have to sleep
[06:23:13] Om: Can anyone recommend a good, trustable review site for speakers?
[06:23:19] achew22: dscoular can you help me with my dvb card for ~10 min?
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[07:02:40] Netslayer: anyone have an example channels.conf file for DVB input? looks like you can specify one when creating the capture card
[07:13:38] DGnome: Netslayer: mine looks like this: http://pastebin.ca/55970
[07:14:34] Netslayer: thanks!
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[07:17:57] DGnome: Netslayer: you can create your own by running tzap with initial tuning parameters
[07:18:09] DGnome: tzap is for terrestrial
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[07:30:17] Netslayer: i'm configuring qam256 broadcast channels from cable
[07:34:09] Netslayer: DGnome, do I have to create the .tzap/channels.conf manually or can this program do it?
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[07:35:45] DGnome: Netslayer: czap is your tool then
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[07:55:09] Netslayer: am i missing something or is this a bug? ../../libs/libmythtv/libmythtv-0.19.so: undefined reference to `dvdnav_get_serial_number'
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[08:07:16] dscoular: Netslayer, you are missing something I think
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[08:09:20] Netslayer: ya but what heh
[08:09:27] Netslayer: some dvd lib..
[08:09:59] dscoular: Netslayer, Yes... configure should have complained... I'm just trying to find out
[08:10:09] Netslayer: #include "iso639.h"
[08:10:18] Netslayer: it's from DVDRingBuffer.cpp
[08:10:33] dscoular: What version of myth ?
[08:10:43] Netslayer: svn
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[08:11:01] dscoular: head 0.20 or 0.19-fixes ?
[08:11:15] Netslayer: head as far as i know
[08:11:24] Netslayer: i use an automatted gentoo ebuild to get svn
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[08:12:06] dscoular: Do you have libnavdvd ?
[08:13:14] Netslayer: don't seen an ebuild for it
[08:13:18] Netslayer: see
[08:14:20] dscoular: It's linked to my mythfrontend binary... I suspect it as the culprit... but could be way wrong ;)
[08:14:30] dscoular: Still doing some research...
[08:15:44] dscoular: libdvdnav.so.0 => /usr/lib/libdvdnav.so.0
[08:16:00] Netslayer: google isn't showing much for libdvdnav..is that a mythtv lib?
[08:17:42] dscoular: http://packages.gentoo.org/ebuilds/?libdvdnav-0.1.10
[08:17:59] dscoular: the ebuild should have had it as a dependancy methinks
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[08:18:34] Netslayer: media-libs/libdvdnav
[08:18:41] Netslayer: heh
[08:18:49] dscoular: Yeah... I reckon that may be the problemo
[08:19:29] Neovdr25: Can someone state where I shall enter /usr/lib for mythtv?
[08:19:54] Neovdr25: I am using debian distro
[08:20:13] dscoular: Neovdr25, I don't understand the question, sorry.
[08:21:17] Neovdr25: Before you start mythbackend you have to put /usr/lib somewhere but I cant remember the filename
[08:21:43] Netslayer: dscoular, thanks, recompiling
[08:21:51] dscoular: Netslayer, cool
[08:22:04] dscoular: Neovdr25, sorry that makes no sense to me.
[08:22:43] Neovdr25: ok np
[08:23:12] Neovdr25: I found it it's in /etc/ld.so.conf
[08:23:43] dscoular: It should be there by default.
[08:25:53] Neovdr25: it wasn't. I had to put it and ldconfig for it
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[08:46:39] Netslayer: crap it failed again same error
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[08:55:24] UBL: what error?
[09:00:21] Netslayer: ../../libs/libmythtv/libmythtv-0.19.so: undefined reference to `dvdnav_get_serial_number'
[09:00:21] Netslayer: ../../libs/libmythtv/libmythtv-0.19.so: undefined reference to `dvdnav_get_video_format'
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[09:16:14] adante: 2006-05–14 22:32:12.100 DVBRec(0): PID 0x201 discontinuity detected
[09:16:19] adante: ^ what do errors like that usually mean?
[09:17:11] adante: brb
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[09:26:42] speedsix: Hi all
[09:27:10] speedsix: anyone help with a problematic dvb card?
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[09:33:54] Juski: morning all
[09:35:08] Juski: someone here at work didn't miss any of his recording of dr. who on saturday – and he uses a humax DVR.. so they must be checking the now/next data for updates!
[09:42:40] Merlin83b3: Yeah, had to catch the Sunday repeat.
[09:43:11] Merlin83b3: I didn't think the now/next data got updated that fast? If it does, I guess that's another thing to work on but pretty damned hard to test.
[09:48:45] kayelem: While checking the schedule via mythweb I saw it updated on Saturday
[09:49:19] kayelem: First thing that happened was *two* Doctor Whos showed up in the schedule, with overlapping times
[09:50:10] kayelem: then entry starting at 7:00pm disappeared leaving the one starting at 7:20pm
[09:50:23] kayelem: this all happened within the half-hour before it started
[09:51:22] hashbang: Juski: I've been wondering whether to switch to EIT for mainstream channels after the dr. who cockup.
[09:51:38] hashbang: Juski: currently, I only use it for abc1 and the like.
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[09:58:03] stuarta: morning all
[09:59:08] ivor: stuarta: gday
[09:59:28] stuarta: how's things this morning?
[10:01:59] ivor: peachy
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[10:23:16] Juski: stuarta: pity you missed what I said about dr who... a mate at work didn't miss any with his standalone HUmax dvr :-/
[10:24:02] Juski: anyway – morning!
[10:24:20] stuarta: that'll probably be the RST (or similar) support
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[10:24:45] Juski: RST? aka tvanytime?
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[10:25:04] stuarta: there are some tables we don't yet support that tell us that a program is running long
[10:25:14] Juski: ah
[10:25:20] stuarta: it works on the bbc muxes at the moment...
[10:25:45] stuarta: fozi started on support for it...
[10:25:55] Juski: this guy's humax also deals with late schedules on channel4 apparently
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[10:27:09] stuarta: they must have rolled out support on the ch4 muxes as well.
[10:28:15] Juski: anyway – he can't gloat too much – there's no web interface on his DVR :-P
[10:29:24] stuarta: plus the damn futzball only happens like that once a year...
[10:29:48] Juski: til the world coop
[10:29:58] hashbang: football--
[10:30:02] Juski: penalties! (no! missed recordings)
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[10:30:35] Juski: penalties and the obligatory waffling on about sod all for half an hour afterwards :-/
[10:33:22] stuarta: oh well, at least the world cup gives those of use near Crystal Palace a chance to test BBC HD
[10:33:31] stuarta: s/use/us
[10:36:06] fozi: support for running status is not very hard. Not sure if they use RST or the running_status in EIT.
[10:36:38] stuarta: think it's in the EIT
[10:38:32] fozi: I had an working implementation for PDC/VPS but most of it will not apply against current svn
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[10:43:37] speedsix: Howdy all, anyone use a Twinhan DVB card?
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[10:56:21] doc__: hi there :)
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[10:58:28] Juski: speedsix: someone I know does, but his myth system isn't very well at the mo... stupid PC World A64 system ;-)
[10:58:50] Juski: speedsix: the card of his works fine though
[10:59:08] Juski: except for the poor quality tuner it has
[11:00:18] Juski: quite insensitive compared to say, a nova-t
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[11:07:26] Juski: grrr. yet _more_ knoppmyth users coming to the wrong forum :-/
[11:07:33] speedsix: Juski remember me saying this friend of mine wants a mythbox, well this is it :/
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[11:08:11] ** LLyric watching the F1 at 120% speed. It's rather intense. **
[11:08:25] ** hashbang watches Question Time at 140% speed. :-) **
[11:08:29] speedsix: Dumped this machine/card on me, all it says on the card is VisionPlus. lspci lists it as a b=Brooktree card
[11:08:30] Zider: LLyric: the F1 key?
[11:08:37] LLyric: Formula 1
[11:08:40] LLyric: Car racing
[11:08:40] Zider: oh
[11:08:48] Juski: speedsix: lspci lies a lot
[11:09:21] speedsix: dmesg | grep bttv comes up with = bttv0: using: *** UNKNOWN/GENERIC *** [card=0,autodetected]
[11:09:37] Juski: speedsix: it might be time to play with the kernel. or if you're feeling brave, Hg from linuxtv.org
[11:10:04] speedsix: Googling is should just detect as card=113, this doesn't
[11:10:29] speedsix: tbh I don't even know what the F**k it is, he says it has Twinhan on the box
[11:10:30] Juski: speedsix: DVB tuners usually have a brooktree type device & they use it as an interface to the PCI bus for the DVB chip
[11:10:45] speedsix: it also has a small connexant chip on it
[11:10:55] Juski: speedsix: what kernel does the system have?
[11:11:17] speedsix: 2.6.12.x, latest Ubuntu breezy
[11:11:22] Juski: anything before 2.6.10 probably won't have many (or any) DVB drivers
[11:11:44] speedsix: I think I'm just going to tell him to buy the nova-t I have
[11:11:45] Juski: hmm. my card was just picked up ok in breezy farthog
[11:12:08] Juski: speedsix: it might need mercurial drivers from linuxtv.org
[11:12:22] speedsix: How to I stop those conflicting with ubuntu modules?
[11:12:37] Juski: I know what a PITA making your own kernel on umbongo is though
[11:12:57] speedsix: It says do not use these modules with your stock kernel modules
[11:13:17] speedsix: so how the f to I not use the umbongo modules?
[11:13:32] Juski: speedsix: you could try the kernel modules – I mean it's not as if they're always autoloaded correctly
[11:13:44] Juski: for that to work, the card DB has to be up to date ;-)
[11:13:47] dscoular: Hey, LLyric... did you see my response re the +1 channels ?
[11:13:56] speedsix: right so build 'em and run the install script thingy?
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[11:14:15] Juski: speedsix: what does lsmod |grep dvb say?
[11:14:26] Juski: sorry
[11:14:32] Juski: sudo lsmod |grep dvb
[11:14:53] LLyric: dscoular: yeah, but I'm not sure about your fix
[11:15:05] LLyric: Thanks for reproducing, though :)
[11:15:16] speedsix: Juski nowt
[11:15:25] LLyric: You changed the "if" but not then "then". SHouldn't they be the same?
[11:15:33] speedsix: doesn't create /dev/dvb atall
[11:15:47] Juski: speedsix: how about modprobe -l |grep dvb ?
[11:16:09] speedsix: hang on..
[11:16:45] dscoular: LLyric, no that would change the meaning of the two indices.
[11:16:51] Juski: speedsix: you might still be able to use the kernel modules – it's just a matter of working out which to use sometimes.
[11:17:29] speedsix: somethings iffy with it, should just work looking at google pages, shouldn;t detect it as Card=0 ***UNKNOWN/GENERIC***
[11:17:40] Juski: but if it's a newer card than is supported....
[11:17:56] Juski: sounds like umbongo has loaded bttv
[11:18:15] speedsix: yeah it loads bttv, just doesn't seem to autodetect it right
[11:18:15] LLyric: Isn't one zero-based and one one-based? Shouldn't it be:
[11:18:22] Juski: but not cottonned on that it's a DVB tuner
[11:18:37] LLyric: if (whatever > maxchannels + 1) foo = maxchannels + 1; ?
[11:18:38] dscoular: LLyric, yes and they have to maintain that.
[11:18:44] LLyric: dscoular: the code seems confused about the two variables anyway
[11:18:46] Juski: speedsix: it's most likely NOT a faulty card. you can't trust the autodetecting crap, believe me
[11:18:55] speedsix: well I'm not sure if the stock bttv module has cards higher than 113
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[11:19:05] speedsix: there's a CARDLIST somewhere
[11:19:11] LLyric: I'm a wee bit too drunk to talk coherantly about that right now :)
[11:19:18] Juski: will you listen to me speedsix?
[11:19:30] dscoular: LLyric, no sweat. Lucky you.
[11:19:34] speedsix: I am
[11:19:55] stuarta: speedsix: Juski has a trout & he's not afraid to use it.
[11:19:58] Juski: it's not a damn bttv card. umbongo has taken a swipe at autodetecting it & got it wrong
[11:20:13] speedsix: O i see I thought you meant bttv detecting it wrong
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[11:20:34] Juski: you'll likely need dvb-bt8xx
[11:20:53] Juski: unload bttv first though ;-)
[11:20:56] speedsix: Shall I download linuxdvb drivers, build them and run the script?
[11:21:00] speedsix: ok
[11:21:09] Juski: speedsix: try using the builtin stuff first
[11:21:34] speedsix: juski modprobe dvb-bt8xx?
[11:21:39] Juski: yup
[11:21:45] Juski: or sudo modprobe...
[11:21:49] speedsix: k
[11:22:03] Juski: sudo blow your nose / sudo molly your coddles
[11:22:15] Juski: :-P
[11:22:51] speedsix: what's the unload command again?
[11:23:34] Juski: rmmod or modprobe -r
[11:24:18] speedsix: is there a verbose mode for modprobe?
[11:24:59] stuarta: umm, -v ?
[11:25:17] Juski: and check dmesg afterwards
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[11:25:36] speedsix: What am I greping for?
[11:25:57] stuarta: just read the last 10 lines or so, dmesg | tail
[11:26:06] speedsix: it's looking gooid
[11:26:08] stuarta: or tail -10, tail -20
[11:27:07] Zider: tail -n 10
[11:27:08] Zider: :P
[11:27:19] Zider: -10 is deprecated.. :)
[11:27:30] stuarta: it's never told me that :-P
[11:27:43] Juski: it's quite likely that the driver has created 4 dvb devices with just the one card – happenned to me on breezy – v. weird
[11:29:33] Juski: yay! Invasion won't be getting another series :-)
[11:29:47] speedsix: It's scanning w00t, juski you da man
[11:30:57] Juski: you can trust autodetection about as far as you can with windows
[11:31:07] Juski: i.e. if it gets it right, great..
[11:31:08] Juski: ;-)
[11:31:26] stuarta: Invasion that bad?
[11:31:28] speedsix: I don't really understand dmesg still lists bttv stuff but detects the Twinham card now??
[11:31:29] Juski: speedsix: so erm... however you get modules to autoload at boot time – you need to do that
[11:31:57] Juski: stuarta: it took ages to get going – and when it did it was still too slow
[11:32:22] Juski: penultimate episode was on e4 last night – looks like that & the last one will be winding everything up
[11:32:40] speedsix: if I make a change to /etc/modutils.d/ or whatever it;s called now, how do I make sure it 'sticks'?
[11:32:51] stuarta: they just started showing s2 this week
[11:32:59] Juski: but if they were angling for another series it'll probably be a cack-handed ending
[11:33:04] Juski: eh?
[11:33:20] stuarta: Wed, new episode starts.
[11:33:26] Juski: stuarta: does that mean I have to stop trusting digitalspy?
[11:33:45] speedsix: I added an option to /etc/modprobe.d/bttv something like bttv option card=113 and it seems to have been that that has causes it to work
[11:33:58] stuarta: more likely the epg monkeys haven't been fed enuf peanuts
[11:34:25] ** Juski goes to look at abc.com **
[11:34:31] speedsix: Because it now says...
[11:34:32] speedsix: bttv0: using: Twinhan DST + clones [card=113,insmod option]
[11:34:59] ** stuarta cannot be considered a good source of Invasion info... **
[11:36:44] Juski: speedsix: :-/ – anyway – it worketh!
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[11:37:20] stuarta: we have to wait till July for filmfour????
[11:37:31] speedsix: Yeah rock on, thanks for your help dude much apreciated
[11:39:00] Juski: stuarta: yeh – so they have time to launch their tupperware gameshow channel
[11:39:02] Juski: :-P
[11:39:04] LLyric: Okay, f1 done, now motogp
[11:39:07] stuarta: germany needs a tv license for a net connection????
[11:39:19] DGnome: stuarta: wtf?!
[11:39:32] DGnome: that's just nasty
[11:39:42] stuarta: http://forum.digitalspy.co.uk/board/showthread.php?t=376187
[11:40:00] Juski: stuarta: technically we would aswell...
[11:40:27] stuarta: i know. i object to paying for it in the first place...
[11:40:32] kayelem: Juski, if the UK changes the meaning of it
[11:40:38] Zider: I don't pay tv license
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[11:40:50] Juski: 'any device capable of reproducing the effects of a 'magic lantern' or 'faerie box' will be subject to a new tax.... '
[11:41:12] kayelem: It's currently a licence for posession of equipment capable of reception – goes right back to the GPO licences for radio sets
[11:41:23] DGnome: stuarta: true nastyness
[11:41:37] Zider: kayelem: yeah samew here
[11:41:48] stuarta: yeah, evil incarnate. in the same league as the british library....
[11:41:57] Zider: kayelem: except they use the money for worthless shows and competing with commercial channels
[11:42:30] Juski: bring back Tomorrow's World!
[11:42:31] stuarta: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20060317044847293
[11:42:51] stuarta: takes a bit to get going, but an interesting read...
[11:43:14] ** speedsix chuckles at twelvetieth threating letter from tv license people saying they are sending da boyz round because I don't have a license **
[11:43:28] speedsix: that's because the house is unoccupied you morons
[11:43:47] speedsix: but your welcome to come out here and waste your time
[11:43:48] Juski: you are breathing, hence you must have a TV, therefore you need a licence
[11:43:57] speedsix: Juski exactly
[11:44:13] speedsix: they don't stop and think for one second there might not be a tv there
[11:44:23] speedsix: You have a house ergo you have a tv
[11:44:31] Zider: well, as long as they can't prove it you're safe, right?
[11:44:34] Juski: at least one!
[11:44:36] hashbang: speedsix: er, but you use MythTV with a tuner, right?
[11:44:44] speedsix: No, not at that house
[11:44:49] hashbang: right, OK.
[11:44:51] speedsix: it's being sold and is empty
[11:45:09] speedsix: Zider oh I'm not worried, I like wasting there time, idiots
[11:45:11] Juski: it's great isn't it?
[11:45:17] Zider: speedsix: :D
[11:45:20] speedsix: *their
[11:45:47] speedsix: the letters are getting really unpleasant, think I'll sue for mental anguish
[11:46:11] Juski: the bastard who damaged my car, okay... if he got caught & fined, but refused to pay the fine – he'd do time in prison (maybe). get caught without a tv licence, get fined, refuse to pay said fine, go to jail & STILL have to pay the fine!!!
[11:46:45] Juski: (the car damager wouldn't have to pay his fine anymore cos he'd done the time)
[11:46:55] Juski: that just isn't right
[11:47:14] DGnome: mmhmm
[11:47:39] Zider: you can't go to jail for not paying the tv license here
[11:47:42] DGnome: Wonder how many laws I'm breaking right now.. 1, 2.. too many :)
[11:47:47] stuarta: aren't the tv licenses tied to a person these days?
[11:47:50] speedsix: Juski did a reboot, card works fine! All I did was add bttv option card=113 to the modprobe thingy
[11:48:21] Juski: speedsix: cool. email the bttv list to update their card DB ;-)
[11:48:49] speedsix: I get confused with all the modules, the card list ok, just doesn't seem to autodetect the right one
[11:49:01] Zider: all they can do is re-list you as owning a tv.. and then you just call'em up and say you don't have a tv anymore, and you're safe until next time they get you ;)
[11:49:26] speedsix: bttv bt8xx etc. etc. so confusing
[11:50:15] Juski: speedsix: so you didn't need to add the dvb-bt8xx module to the autoload list?
[11:50:24] Juski: like I said – it's all good :-)
[11:50:33] DGnome: stuarta: here they are bound to a household
[11:50:34] speedsix: no, just the bttv card=113 option
[11:50:58] speedsix: what's i2c?
[11:52:22] Juski: i2c == a 2 wire bus for talking to things like tv tuners, temp sensors, eeproms & the like
[11:52:35] speedsix: o
[11:52:53] Juski: invented by those clever people at Phillips IIRC
[11:55:47] stuarta: hmmm, better get cracking on that HD support.
[11:56:03] stuarta: May 27th 7pm, 5 episode run of planet earth begins...
[11:56:10] speedsix: gah, now it's not creating the /dev/dvb stuff, lsmod doesn't show any dvb modules
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[11:57:00] speedsix: which modules create the dvb stuff?
[11:57:37] Juski: stuarta: niiice
[11:57:44] Juski: speedsix: dvb-bt8xx
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[11:57:50] speedsix: k
[11:58:12] Juski: unload bttv again though
[11:58:36] speedsix: works now
[11:58:53] Juski: so you _do_ need to add that to the list of modules to load at boot
[11:58:59] speedsix: so why is dvb-bt8xx not loading on boot?
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[11:59:24] Juski: because it's _still_ not being autodetected
[11:59:51] Juski: autodetection == slighty better than a chocolate fireguard
[11:59:59] speedsix: I see
[12:00:37] Juski: blim! bbc news site is super slow today
[12:00:55] stuarta: i got that info from digital spy
[12:01:03] ** stuarta lunches... **
[12:01:12] Juski: stuarta: yeh cheers
[12:01:14] speedsix: juski what is the dvb-bt8xx module exactly?
[12:01:34] Juski: it's the module you need for the card to work! well one of the cards anyway
[12:02:35] speedsix: do I just add the line dvb-bt8xx to my modprobe thingumy?
[12:03:22] Juski: I dunno
[12:03:33] speedsix: i 'll see what it does
[12:03:51] kayelem: I think I'm going to play with mythtv on slackware, I'll learn more
[12:03:52] Juski: in gentoo it'd be /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.x
[12:04:05] speedsix: ubuntu module loading is confusing
[12:04:34] Juski: speedsix: anyway – the dvb-bt8xx module is what is needed to talk to the dvb hardware on what is otherwise just a dumb old bttv card
[12:04:55] speedsix: I getcha
[12:05:24] kayelem: I assume the bttv driver is the one that supports the bt878a device on my dumb framegrabbers?
[12:06:03] hashbang: kayelem: should do
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[12:06:19] kayelem: So the dvb-bt8xx is needed in addition to the bttv driver to handle the dvb stuff on bt8xx dvb cards
[12:06:23] kayelem: I think i follow...
[12:07:04] kayelem: hashbang, I need to diddle about with the PLL configuration for the bt878a to get 405-line caprure...(!)
[12:07:13] hashbang: quite possibly!
[12:07:31] hashbang: some Bt cards need a fair amount of fiddling anyway
[12:07:36] kayelem: hashbang, I've looked at the datasheet, the '878a has a well funky pll that should work...
[12:07:53] hashbang: they are supposed to come with eproms which say which tuner etc. is included, but mine (a Pace model) doesn't
[12:08:08] hashbang: so it's down to a brute-force search in order to find the right combo of module params
[12:08:33] kayelem: ugh, language, hashbang! I used to work for P*ce and don't need reminding... <g>
[12:09:16] hashbang: heh
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[12:09:28] kayelem: I just need to get capture of 405-line mono working on the composite input...
[12:09:34] kayelem: the "just" could be fun...
[12:09:43] hashbang: it's not bad, though – it's NICAM and I picked it from Maplin for 40GBP just as Pace were going out of business
[12:10:06] speedsix: Juski just found a txt file in the dvb driver .tar.bz file that lists all the options i've spent the last hour twatting around with :/ *slaps head*
[12:10:15] kayelem: yup, the PC peripherals bit of P*ce was sold off and quickly went down the toilet iirc...
[12:10:24] speedsix: Has a section just for the card I've been messing with
[12:10:44] kayelem: They did a modem which caught fire, iirc. not a good reputation...
[12:10:48] speedsix: If that's not a prime example of RTFM I do not know what is!
[12:11:25] kayelem: hashbang, you see my pic from the show last weekend?
[12:11:27] Juski: kayelem: I know a lot of people who used to work at Pace.. did you ever work with Chris Boyce? He's now our marketing director here
[12:11:47] Juski: !trout speedsix
[12:11:47] ** MythLogBot slaps speedsix with a trout on behalf of Juski... **
[12:11:52] Juski: ;-)
[12:11:53] hashbang: kayelem: aye...
[12:12:14] ** hashbang wrestles with insight.com's website **
[12:12:19] kayelem: Juski, name seems to ring a bell; Pace was pretty big while i was there, though. I mostly knew R&D bods
[12:12:22] hashbang: sometimes it gives free delivery, sometimes not.
[12:12:46] Juski: kayelem: to hear the way he goes on here, he single-handedly came up with the idea for $ky Plu$
[12:12:55] kayelem: heh
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[12:13:25] Juski: not well liked, and even less so for that ;-)
[12:14:23] kayelem: Juski, I got the boot in 2002 when they got rid of about 300 R&D engineers; I was one of the ones they didn't like so got on the hit-list...
[12:14:41] kayelem: I do not play well with management ;-)
[12:16:10] kayelem: hashbang, that demo last weekend attracted a lot of interest; ran perfectly all day too. Lovely picture quality on a pro 405-line monitor, too :)
[12:20:43] DGnome: kayelem: maybe you'd be better of as management? :)
[12:21:24] kayelem: DGnome, now *that* is a terrifying thought...
[12:22:49] kayelem: DGnome, closest I get is *looking* a bit like management when I'm wearing my skirt-suit :)
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[12:27:16] DGnome: kayelem: you've seen 'office space' right? Just space out. :)
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[12:28:26] sphing: HES A PEOPLE PERSON
[12:28:55] sean33: anyone had problems with lirc setup not working ?
[12:29:21] Ryushin: sean33: What do you mean?
[12:29:52] sean33: i mean i run ./setup.sh and the menu apears to configure and it wont configure
[12:30:06] sean33: none of the options work
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[12:37:15] sean33: this menu relies on some other package maybe i need to update ?
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[13:23:43] ** laga_ happily rips Juski's head off **
[13:26:56] DGnome: :D
[13:27:09] ** DGnome falls asleep in the office **
[13:27:59] ** laga_ falls asleep on the couch **
[13:28:48] ** Merlin83b would like to fall asleep on the office couch. **
[13:28:52] ** Merlin83b has too much work to do. **
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[13:37:10] stuarta: the good news is I've managed to record a sample off bbc hd test mux
[13:37:25] stuarta: the bad news is it crashes the ffmpeg lib in mythtv
[13:37:42] laga_: nice
[13:38:00] stuarta: 450Mb for 3 minutes :)
[13:38:08] Juski_: how aboutffmpeg outside mythtv?
[13:38:26] stuarta: just about to test that... :)
[13:39:04] Juski_: playing a 1080i h.264 on a what?
[13:39:41] stuarta: who said anything about *playing*
[13:39:56] Juski_: ah
[13:40:22] ** stuarta goes looking for his ffmpeg cvs.... **
[13:40:35] _nero_: ahhh yes.. fixed my little video driver issue..
[13:41:05] _nero_: now to figure WTH is going on with ivtv.. (recorded streams have a bar that goes from the left, to the right across the screen..)
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[13:48:19] Ryushin: I seem to have one local over the air HD channel, that is showing it's listings as an hour advanced of what they really are. All the other channels are fine.
[13:48:48] hashbang: Ryushin: summertime screwup?
[13:49:37] Ryushin: Yea, I'm thinking some kind of daylight savings screw up. But I don't know where the culprit would be.
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[13:49:45] hashbang: Ryushin: "them"
[13:49:54] Ryushin: All the other HD OTA stations are fine.
[13:50:04] Ryushin: So probably zap2it?
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[13:56:13] sapbeast: how well developed is mytharchive lately... at least someone who uses it
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[13:58:26] Ryushin: I sent an e-mail to zap2it. Hopefully they will fix it soon.
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[14:10:24] Juski_: sapbeat: I think mytharchive should still be considered a heavy beta at least
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[14:13:27] sphing: Beirdo: you around?
[14:13:29] stuarta: barely beta or late alpha I'd say...
[14:14:12] Ryushin: Now, I'm streaming cnn to my computer which is at a remote location. Is it possible to multicast to the internet so my friend can also pick up my stream? I don't wish to double my outbound bandwith for his stream.
[14:15:28] Juski_: Ryushin: no idea. check out mythstreamtv – but remember that sharing recordings is NOT what mythtv is about
[14:18:00] Ryushin: I'm using vlc to stream directly from the pvr card. No myth involved. Works good too.
[14:18:47] Ryushin: Made a little script to use tune the channel and start vlc using the pvr-350 card. Works like a champ.
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[14:29:15] Juski_: bit of a waste of a 350 card if you ask me. do cnn not have online streams?
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[14:35:17] Ryushin: Well, I can change the channel to whatever I like. Really enjoyed seeing the Colorado Avalanche have their *sses handed to them.  :)
[14:36:07] Juski_: either way – rebroadcasting stuff over the net is naughty
[14:36:08] Ryushin: Sorry, I have to put that in perspective. I am an Avalanche fan.
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[14:37:11] Ryushin: How so? I just bring up the stream when I want it and then turn it off. I was tunneling it through ssh, but now that my friend wants to watch it too, and he's behind a proxy, he can't stream it through ssh.
[14:38:20] Juski_: ah so in your case you're more just narrowcasting – still legally grey
[14:39:59] Ryushin: Now on to the real problem for today. It "seems" that the stability issues of my box were due to my nvidia fx5200 card. I'll get it warrantied to get replaced. But I'm less than happy having a propritory driver. I was reading the the XV performance of the nv xorg driver is hit and miss.
[14:40:40] sapbeast: Juski: yeah im trying to figure out how to recode my shows to save space... although i dont like the options from the built in transcoders (no way to specify... size?). AFAIK there are no frontends for the transcode program other than dvd::rip which only does dvd...
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[14:41:46] Ryushin: So I was able to scrounge up a ATI Radeon 9000 card with a DVI out. Works like a champ using the stock xorg radeon driver. However, not when I play 1080i content. I get that pink bar. And from what I understand, this will be in all the ATI cards except the newer X**** cards, which also don't have xorg drivers.
[14:42:09] Ryushin: So what is a guy to do for a video card when they don't want binary drivers?
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[14:42:25] Juski_: Ryushin: suffer :-D
[14:42:35] Ryushin: I'm not caring about XvMC anymore (though that would be nice), because processors are cheaper then video cards now.
[14:42:57] Ryushin: Juski_: yea, the sympathetic ear I was hoping for.  :)
[14:43:44] Zider: you get ati, you suffer.. ;)
[14:43:45] Juski_: there's a proper OSS video card project going on
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[14:44:10] octan: hi all..
[14:44:43] Zider: Juski_: oh? tell me more :P
[14:44:46] octan: im trying to compile mythtv but i get this error i dont understand.. pls help me understand whats or missing..
[14:44:48] octan: http://pastebin.com/718779
[14:45:03] Ryushin: Zider: ATI support has been steller in XFree86 and X.org for the mach64 and radeon chipsets. I wouldn't choose any other video card over ATI for the older stuff. But for the newer stuff, there doesn't seem to much of an alternative.
[14:45:42] Ryushin: Juksi_: yea, but have they released anything yet?
[14:45:50] Zider: "steller"?
[14:45:58] Ryushin: excellent
[14:46:23] Zider: I have never seen any ati card work as well as nvidia cards
[14:46:26] Ryushin: spelling has never been my strong suit. Maybe I can get a spell check in xchat.  :)
[14:46:52] Ryushin: In Linux? Or windows?
[14:46:52] Juski_: nownow – lets not let this degenerate into a VGA war again
[14:47:05] octan: whats -lXv ?
[14:47:08] Zider: in general
[14:47:47] Juski_: octan: seems you're missing some libraries
[14:48:01] Juski_: xv-devel, perhaps?
[14:48:03] Ryushin: Well, I've been using ATI since the Mach32 days, and they have been the best Linux card for me. At least until ATI started producing their new chips.
[14:48:08] octan: Juski, hmm ok,, got an idea what lib?
[14:48:14] octan: ok,,
[14:48:23] octan: let me try installing that
[14:48:28] Juski_: octan: which distro? some have all the build deps you need
[14:48:29] Zider: I've been using nvidia since TNT1.. :P
[14:48:40] Juski_: e.g. apt-get install mythtv build-dep
[14:48:47] octan: Juski_ ubuntu "dapper"
[14:49:14] Ryushin: Okay, well anyway, what open alternatives exist now with a DVI output?
[14:50:13] Juski_: no idea – it's likely the DVI standard is yet another thing a manufacturer needs to pay a licence for
[14:50:50] Merlin83b: It is, VESA have made a (better) royalty free standard.
[14:51:46] Juski_: lol
[14:51:50] octan: Juski, ok,, i installed xv-dev.. but now i got another error
[14:51:53] octan: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXxf86vm
[14:52:48] ** stuarta swears at ffmpeg cvs **
[14:53:38] octan: ok.. fixed it :)
[14:53:55] Juski_: octan?: so you're on the ball then ;-)
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[14:58:16] stuarta: latest ffmpeg can't cope with the stream
[14:58:53] johnp_: stuarta, that's not so good then.
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[14:59:25] stuarta: no, mplayer can however identify them, throws quite a few errors.
[14:59:32] stuarta: no idea what the output looks like
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[15:05:06] sapbeast: i dont know if DVI is a licensing cost... more of a manufacturing thing for the encoder
[15:05:58] Merlin83b: DVI has a licensing cost if you want to include it in your product.
[15:06:42] Juski_: one for the monopolies commision :-P
[15:09:13] Merlin83b: The VESA one sounds on paper soooo much better but they may well have missed the boat launching it a couple of weeks ago, well after DVI has established itself.
[15:09:47] sapbeast: well it will only get worse with hdmi and whatever else standard they try to push in the future
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[15:17:56] aquarius_work: Juski: ping?
[15:18:39] Juski_: ?
[15:19:37] aquarius_work: Juski_: a /msg for you. :)
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[15:21:34] aquarius_work: Juski_: have you heard of LugRadio?
[15:21:42] Merlin83b: Heh.
[15:21:52] aquarius_work: Merlin83b: ?
[15:22:44] Merlin83b: Take it you've noticed MythTV is going to be there?
[15:23:25] aquarius_work: Merlin83b: naturally I have, I'm just not sure who's running the exhibition stand. Matt's sorting that out; I sort out the speakers. :)
[15:23:31] Merlin83b: Juski's the man with the stand :-)
[15:23:43] aquarius_work: ah, good good. I was hoping that was the case :P
[15:23:45] Merlin83b: So there's a fair chance he'll have heard of it ;-)
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[15:24:38] Juski_: aquarius_work: I'm in irssi so I don't get PMs
[15:24:44] laga_: uh
[15:24:49] laga_: well, i do :)
[15:24:51] aquarius_work: Juski_: aha, that explains a bit :P
[15:25:03] Juski_: I like not knowing how in this case :-P
[15:25:19] aquarius_work: (although irssi should do it? ctrl-N and whatnot to scroll through?)
[15:25:23] aquarius_work: anyway: would you be interested in doing a short demo of MythTV on the main stage at LRL2006?
[15:25:23] Juski_: oooo
[15:25:34] Juski_: main stage? yeah why not
[15:25:47] ** Juski_ is not micro-phobic ;-) **
[15:25:54] laga_: omfg
[15:26:05] laga_: please don't let him yell "shut the fuck up" at the audience
[15:26:08] Juski_: or should that be microphono-phobic?
[15:26:35] aquarius_work: we're doing an hour of quick demos of cool stuff
[15:26:42] aquarius_work: so you've got, like, 8 minutes to do the demo ;)
[15:27:20] aquarius_work: but you can show us much l33t latest-cvs stuff! :)
[15:27:34] ** Juski_ makes a note to get his box to stay up for 8 minutes **
[15:27:41] Merlin83b: lol
[15:27:48] Juski_: can I play a video instead?
[15:28:03] Juski_: ah sod it – live will do
[15:28:26] aquarius_work: Juski_: brilliant. Will pencil you in as a yes, then :)
[15:28:41] aquarius_work: you could, er, show myth playing a video if you lile
[15:28:43] aquarius_work: *like
[15:29:01] Merlin83b: heh
[15:30:05] Juski_: aye – pencil me in
[15:30:13] stuarta: all sounds like fun n games
[15:30:16] aquarius_work: brilliant.
[15:30:21] aquarius_work: stuarta: it will be :)
[15:30:25] Juski_: is the stand info up yet?>
[15:30:44] aquarius_work: juski_: don't be silly. we'd have to know the info before that. ;)
[15:30:51] Juski_: planning what to bring, so need to know how much space I have
[15:30:51] ** stuarta goes back to swearing at mplayer. **
[15:31:23] ** Juski_ makes a note not to demo live tv **
[15:31:24] aquarius_work: best thing to do there is to drop off a mail to Matt with an indication of how much space you'd like to have, and we'll do our best to accommodate
[15:31:34] Juski_: ah right
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[15:32:20] stuarta: damn ffmpeg libraries!
[15:33:56] sapbeast: damn these glasses!
[15:34:01] sapbeast: yes sir i damn thee!
[15:36:46] laga_: try contacts
[15:36:56] Juski_: laga_: I would never yell shut the fuck up at the audience. I'd yell shut the fuck up you fucking fuckers
[15:37:12] laga_: Juski_: oh, i'm terribly sorry for getting that wrong :)
[15:37:26] Juski_: I'll have beer, so I'll be nice
[15:38:14] Juski_: it's not as if lugradio listeners are averse to bad language anyway ;-)
[15:38:18] laga_: Juski_: i've connected the missing wires to the sync converter *cough*. however, the stupid adapter still doesn't work. looks like i'll have some fun with checking if everything is wired up correctly :P
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[15:39:37] Juski_: laga_: hmmm
[15:40:04] Juski_: thanks for reminding me anyway.. I need to borrow some more connectors
[15:40:06] laga_: i was thinking about skipping school so i can fix it, but that didn't seem worth it. ;)
[15:40:24] laga_: Juski_: if shipping is cheap, i'll likely buy a few from you ;)
[15:40:39] Juski_: I was thinking about skipping work today
[15:40:52] Juski_: phone in a holiday
[15:41:00] laga_: heh
[15:41:05] laga_: that's monday for you
[15:41:12] Juski_: yep
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[15:43:40] Juski_: ahh so _that's_ why this machine is crashing. bootloader is 10.6 and the app is 10.3 :-/
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[15:43:53] Juski_: stoopid damn thing
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[16:58:21] Sneaker: Hi! I have Nebula PCI dvb-t card and I was wondering that is there anyway for me to use video-in that the Nebula has?
[16:59:50] Juski: Sneaker: you could in theory, but you'll only be able to use it with software encoding which is, in my experience, crappy
[17:01:46] Sneaker: hmm
[17:02:04] Sneaker: ok, but in theory, how do I use the video-in with mythtv?
[17:02:05] Juski: it _should_ come up as a bttv device like /dev/video0
[17:02:09] Sneaker: how do I enable it?
[17:02:26] Sneaker: hmm
[17:02:34] Sneaker: so i just add another video source for mythtv?
[17:02:37] Juski: if you do it's likely it'll cause you problems with the DVB side of it
[17:02:38] Sneaker: ok
[17:02:59] Juski: you definitely won't be able to use both at the same time
[17:03:18] Sneaker: What would be better way to connect a dvb-s tuner to computer with mythtv?
[17:03:30] Sneaker: I just want to record some misc. progs
[17:03:30] Juski: buy a DVB-S tuner card
[17:03:39] Sneaker: It's not an option atm :(
[17:04:11] Juski: go into mythtv-setup & make sure the DVB part of the card is made 'on demand' so that it only open the DVB tuner when it needs to
[17:04:26] Juski: stop mythbackend first
[17:04:40] Sneaker: ok
[17:04:44] jake1932: anyone know how much bandwidth I should allow for playing one 1080i MPEG2 stream?
[17:04:49] jake1932: (streaming)
[17:05:02] Juski: while still in mythtv-setup, add another tuner card as a v4l device
[17:05:14] Juski: Sneaker: but I recommend you try it in tvtime first
[17:05:21] Sneaker: juski, ok!
[17:05:22] Sneaker: thanks
[17:05:36] Juski: jake1932: HDTV is around 15–18Mbits/sec
[17:05:49] jake1932: Juski: thanks
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[17:06:20] Juski: jake1932: if you're asking so you can budget for a wireless network, forget anything less than 'G'
[17:07:15] Juski: and if you're asking so you can budget for streaming over a WAN (or the internet)... ROFL – forget it altogether
[17:07:27] jake1932: Juski: i think it's G – but I need to confirm – sure would make sense if it's B why the video is not smooth
[17:07:50] jake1932: yep – not trying to do it over the net
[17:07:56] Juski: wireless if overrated IMHO
[17:08:03] Juski: *is
[17:08:18] laga_: wireless = bedroom porn
[17:08:30] Zider: wireless is nice for laptops
[17:08:39] Juski: nice for slow stuff yeh
[17:08:58] Zider: well, I get a couple of megs per second..
[17:09:06] jake1932: G should work though – right?
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[17:09:19] ** Juski has a polythene desk chair cover.. no need for wireless (kidding) **
[17:09:32] Juski: G _should_ be okay but YMMV
[17:09:47] Zider: depends on a lot of things
[17:09:59] Zider: distance, wall material in between, antenna sizes and so on
[17:10:23] jake1932: it's B – doh!
[17:10:26] Juski: neighbours
[17:10:41] Juski: whether you have a dog... etc
[17:10:44] Zider: a concrete wall in my old apartment lowered the signal power from 98% to 30% just taking one step behind it..
[17:11:09] Juski: that's concrete for ya
[17:11:16] Juski: steel bars inside it
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[17:11:23] Zider: probably yes
[17:15:39] Juski: laga.. any chance of you doing an English lagamyth CD?
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[17:16:27] laga_: Juski: well. why not use knoppmyth? you'd have to convince me ;)
[17:17:05] Zider: what is lagamyth?
[17:17:47] Juski: doh...
[17:17:55] Juski: mythdora it is then
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[17:18:40] Juski: actually by then I could have learnt about packaging my own distro
[17:22:30] GreyFoxx: Jesus some people are stupid
[17:22:39] GreyFoxx: I just got a call from someone whose email we host
[17:22:51] GreyFoxx: complaining that it's taking forever to download their mail
[17:23:06] GreyFoxx: turns out thei secretary sent out a 65 meg video to every employee (40 of them)
[17:23:20] GreyFoxx: so all 40 are trying to download it at the same time :)
[17:23:32] Zider: doh
[17:24:22] GreyFoxx: idiots
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[17:24:51] Juski: lol
[17:25:02] Juski: I hope the scc'y gets the sack
[17:25:04] GreyFoxx: that's like 2.6G of space :)
[17:25:40] Zider: what kind of connection is it on?
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[17:27:21] GreyFoxx: I have no idea what their office has
[17:27:36] GreyFoxx: we have 6 different providers, with I have no idea exactly how much bandwidth]
[17:27:51] GreyFoxx: they are feeling the effects, not us :)
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[17:30:53] sphing: GreyFoxx: you have asterisk running at home right?
[17:31:07] UBL: is nuvexport still usefull/usable with mythtv 0.19-fixes ?
[17:31:30] Juski: that's my dues paid.. I'm offski. laters, all
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[17:32:15] kormoc: Jarod! How goes the east coast?
[17:32:16] laga_: hi j-rod
[17:32:27] j-rod: howdy
[17:32:34] ** j-rod finally resurfaces... **
[17:33:28] j-rod: east coast is... wet
[17:33:55] j-rod: Mostly settled into the new house, finally getting some work done
[17:34:02] UBL: are you an alien?
[17:34:06] j-rod: mostly just same old thing in a new town
[17:34:09] GreyFoxx: sphing: Yup
[17:34:24] GreyFoxx: Well, it's off right now, but I've had it for a long time
[17:34:37] GreyFoxx: I loaned my X100P card to someone to try out :)
[17:34:53] sphing: so its connected to lan line
[17:34:59] sphing: not a voip service?
[17:35:19] GreyFoxx: right
[17:35:31] GreyFoxx: I am my own voip service ;)
[17:35:42] sphing: i'm trying to avoid a lan line
[17:36:06] GreyFoxx: but I've previously trunked my calls via IAX to a voip provider for some work related demos
[17:36:28] sphing: hmm.. any suggestions?
[17:36:47] sphing: for iax provider for cheap residential
[17:36:51] GreyFoxx: Not really I used the connection info I was given, I didn't evaluate services :)
[17:37:05] sphing: ok :)
[17:38:08] smithson: im trying to compile lirc but make keeps complaining about a missing lirc_i2c.o file ive googled, but the resolution a website with a patch is not up.. if anyone could help I would appreciate it
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[17:53:55] specialsauce: hello, I have been trying to compile ivtv-0.6.2 within slack 10.2, kernel 2.6.16.1 for a couple of days now but keep getting an error about missing videodev2.h, eventhough it is within /usr/src/linux/include/linux/? has anyone encountered a similar problem?
[17:56:10] specialsauce: well, I guess I am going to change my distro. Which is a better distro, knoppmyth or mythdora?
[17:56:16] sphing: special sauce is the file in /usr/include or /usr/local/include?
[17:56:19] xris: j-rod: question for you... you know anything about firewire + xen?
[17:56:46] j-rod: firewire + xen? can't say that I do...
[17:56:56] j-rod: though I now own all the firewire packages in FC... :)
[17:57:08] sphing: xris: you trying to get fancy with the hd setup?
[17:57:08] specialsauce: sphing, I have tried to move the file into /usr/include/linux because that is where it looks for the file, but once I do that I get an error about storage size of cap not being known
[17:57:18] j-rod: gunning for a xen guest backend, I take it?
[17:57:25] xris: j-rod: exactly
[17:57:28] sphing: specialsauce: right, cause your kernel doesnt have something enabled
[17:57:52] specialsauce: what would I be missing, all I need is video4linux & i2c right?
[17:58:09] xris: when I upgraded my wife's and my desktops, I got stuck with a p4 that I couldn't sell, so it's becoming my new "everything" server.
[17:58:10] sphing: no idea
[17:58:28] specialsauce: sphing, is there something else within video4linux that I need to enable?
[17:58:33] xris: and since I knew you were now the firewire guy at redhat, I thought I'd bug you about it.  :)
[17:58:53] sphing: specialsauce: i dont know, something is probably not enabled, but i dont know what it is that needs to be enabled, review docs etc.
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[18:01:33] kormoc: xris, ooh, I researched that for ya, basically the deal is, with Xen 2.0, you can pass the firewire/usb controler via the DomU direct access option, but currently with Xen 3.0, it can't be done.
[18:02:27] xris: kormoc: ahh, lame. so nothing a firewire kernel module tweak could fix.
[18:02:28] xris: oh well
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[18:03:06] kormoc: just the standard "it will be fixed soon"(tm) line on when it will change.
[18:03:49] Sneaker__: Where can I define the place for mtd logs?
[18:04:21] j-rod: I can certainly pick some people's brains internally about when it'll be fixed...
[18:04:53] Sneaker__: mtd daemon tries to put it logs in somewhere that doesnt excist
[18:05:00] kormoc: j-rod, that'd be nifty, as I would love to have the pci-passthough option back in 3.0, It would make it ever so more useful.
[18:05:02] Sneaker__: -c
[18:07:35] xris: heh. and xen guest backends all around.  ;)
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[18:10:13] stuarta: xris: as soon as I setup my xen stuff I'll be trying it :)
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[18:14:33] xris: stuarta: 3.0 won't work
[18:14:47] ** xris tries to figure out what year he got married in. **
[18:15:21] laga_: the year you lost your freedom? ;)
[18:15:41] stuarta: i do what I can without needing hardware access from the domU
[18:19:05] kormoc: stuarta, ooh? not planing to use it for capturing video?
[18:19:52] stuarta: no, quite happy with using the domO to do that
[18:20:20] stuarta: but I can use it for things like testing other systems, putting in pseudo slave backends
[18:20:35] stuarta: although, I probably will want to by the time they fix it :)
[18:21:03] kormoc: ahh, yeah, it will work fine for Dom0 :)
[18:25:12] stuarta: maybe oneday i'll have a domO with nothing in it :)
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[18:31:31] kormoc: Yeah, eventually, that's what I want
[18:31:50] laga_: why?
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[18:32:23] kormoc: laga_, so it's not tied to the hardware, completely virtual, and thus I can move it about on a whim
[18:32:46] laga_: oh, nice
[18:33:06] Sneaker__: Can anyone tell me about the quality selection when ripping a dvd with myth
[18:33:24] Sneaker__: there is this one choice called "ISO", does it do vcd?
[18:33:39] laga_: Sneaker__: no. i think it makes an image of the DVD
[18:34:16] Sneaker__: ok
[18:34:19] Sneaker__: hmm
[18:34:33] Sneaker__: finally got my myth box working
[18:35:00] Sneaker__: something is still wrong with it :( Live TV and DVD playback is choppy...
[18:35:14] Sneaker__: 1.6 ghz pentium 4 should be enough?
[18:37:34] Zider: for sdtv should be just fine
[18:38:14] Sneaker__: yep, I think so too
[18:38:54] Sneaker__: I wonder what the problem is
[18:39:33] Zider: bad gfx card driver?
[18:39:40] Zider: like vesa or something
[18:40:10] Sneaker__: I have asus pundit with SIS chipset
[18:40:24] Zider: and SIS driver?
[18:40:28] Sneaker__: and I use mythdora which comes with drivers for that
[18:40:29] Sneaker__: yep
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[18:51:44] xris: Sneaker__: install the winischoffer video driver
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[18:57:06] Sneaker__: xris, what is that?
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[18:58:00] laga_: see http://www.winischhofer.net/
[18:58:07] Juski: Sneaker__: it's a driver for SiS chipsets from what I can tell
[18:58:10] xris: Sneaker__: it's a third-party video driver for the pundit that's way better than the default one
[18:58:17] laga_: yep
[18:58:25] xris: still not great, but better than the fully open source one
[18:58:25] ** laga_ digs winischhofer **
[18:58:45] ** xris digs the new pci fx5200 card in his pundit more **
[18:58:58] ** Juski has had a revelation – he should sacrifice his most powerful machine & set up mythtv on it for the lugradio show **
[18:59:26] Juski: dual-boot it the old fashioned way
[18:59:38] Juski: i.e. unplug the IDE cable.. lol
[18:59:40] bammers: hi – does anyone know why mythbackend sometimes forgets all its Upcoming Recordings? (Its says "You haven't scheduled any Programmes to be recorded" – but when you restart mythbackend they all re-appear!)
[19:00:18] Juski: bammers: it _might_ be because you're using mysql5 with mythtv 0.19
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[19:00:35] Juski: (if indeed you are)
[19:00:40] laga_: it happens to me as well, and i use the mysqld that comes with debian sarge – likely not mysql 5
[19:00:45] laga_: mythbackend --resched helps.
[19:01:03] ** j-rod is using mysql5 without a problem **
[19:01:15] j-rod: slightly tweaked my.cnf though
[19:01:30] Juski: to stop the timeouts?
[19:01:35] j-rod: yeah
[19:01:41] kormoc: Yeah, as am I, but SlicerDicer- also had issues with mysql 5, mostly just it would forget to record things
[19:02:03] j-rod: well, I never actually ran into the timeout problems, but I bumped up the timeout times right off the bat
[19:03:11] Juski: how often does myth poll the DB anyway? any check-alive tests?
[19:03:44] bammers: yes – am using mysql5 with mythtv 0.19
[19:04:21] bammers: pardon my ignorance, laga – but what does mythbackend --resched do ?
[19:04:37] laga_: bammers: it makes mythbackend reschedule the recordings
[19:05:15] bammers: ok – is that just a flag I put in my rc script which kicks off mythbackend when I boot up?
[19:06:22] Juski: you could try reconfiguring mysql5 so it doesn't kill the connection periodically
[19:06:45] psofa: stuarta, have you looked at the broken sound stream issue?
[19:06:57] psofa: srry for beeing impatient i cant help it
[19:07:10] stuarta: got distracted by broken HD video handling :)
[19:07:53] psofa: greedy hd people! they have hd and they still complain :D
[19:08:07] Juski: all the guys waiting for EIT data to be fixed are turning blue, too :-P
[19:08:18] stuarta: !trout Juski
[19:08:19] ** MythLogBot slaps Juski with a trout on behalf of stuarta... **
[19:08:40] stuarta: fozi's been attacking that, i've been doing scanning (which is just about done)
[19:09:01] psofa: stuarta, dvb scanning?
[19:09:02] Juski: v. nice
[19:09:32] stuarta: psofa: yes.
[19:09:42] Juski: this is so frustrating.. I need to put a lunchbreak aside so I can buy a new video card
[19:09:42] psofa: stuarta, cool
[19:10:20] stuarta: Juski: mail order?
[19:10:21] psofa: when i tried scanning in 0.19 it missed some channels
[19:10:29] psofa: and was really slow too
[19:10:37] stuarta: psofa: yeah that's improved vastly...
[19:11:05] Juski: stuarta: do us owners of cards with 'broken' drivers still need daft timeout values?
[19:11:26] fozi: Juski: what's broken? or are you just speaking of the mysql load?
[19:11:48] psofa: i think he means about dvb cards that tune slow
[19:11:51] Juski: fozi: nova-t (& their ilk)
[19:12:14] psofa: Juski, god damn. are nova-t's considered broken?
[19:12:18] Juski: the v4l ML stuff is hard to wade through
[19:12:21] bammers: laga – you still there?
[19:12:24] laga_: bammers: yep
[19:12:40] Juski: psofa: they're not broken as such... just, not as good as other drivers
[19:12:53] bammers: trying to understand about this --resched thing – how to use it effectively?
[19:13:01] fozi: Juski: new or old model? and what mythtv version?
[19:13:08] psofa: Juski, my dmesg log is full of nova-t crap
[19:13:17] stuarta: Juski: you could always do some testing for us :)
[19:13:23] laga_: bammers: well, you just run it. i don't understand your problem
[19:13:32] Juski: fozi: actually lr6650 from leadtek – but it's the same chipset – cx2232 (ish)
[19:13:38] psofa: and also live tv on this card is way crappier (stuttering) than with my skystar
[19:14:00] Juski: stuarta: I'd be happy to do some testing – when I can get the box to stay alive more than an hour
[19:14:13] Juski: needs a new VGA card...
[19:14:39] psofa: Juski, have you considered getting a matrox?
[19:14:40] bammers: lage: the mythbackend which has forgotten my recordings is currently running. I just ran mythbackend --resched and then checked the upcoming recordings agin – no change  :-(
[19:14:57] fozi: so the new model, but what is exactly broken? you do not get any eit data, but everything else works?
[19:15:01] Juski: psofa: no, the box is only 800Mhz & I need xvmc
[19:15:13] laga_: bammers: oh. well, sorry then, dunno. it worked for me
[19:15:21] stuarta: my cx88 based card can't cope with the HD test mux...
[19:15:25] bammers: laga: thanks anyway!
[19:15:28] psofa: Juski, do you find performance acceptable with 800 mhz + xvmc?
[19:15:30] laga_: bammers: :)
[19:15:38] Juski: fozi: I had it getting EIT data last time I ran SVN – used greyfoxx's patch (pre 0.19)
[19:15:53] laga_: 800mhz should be fine even without xvmc for SDTV, imho
[19:15:57] stuarta: Juski: they were the dark ages....
[19:16:04] Juski: psofa: it's acceptable, yes... but it's a bit clunky
[19:16:15] Juski: my epia m10k pisses all over it
[19:16:19] psofa: on my 1200 + xvmc when i see letters scrolling horizontally they look like they stop every second
[19:16:36] laga_: psofa: playback is perfect on my 450 + xvmc
[19:16:43] psofa: and the strange thing is that cpu usage is pretty low
[19:16:47] Juski: stuarta: yes, but a lot of the good stuff didn't make it into 0.19 did it?
[19:16:52] Zider: laga_: PII 450?
[19:16:56] laga_: Zider: PIII
[19:17:05] psofa: so i tend to suspect its the 686b + sb live card
[19:17:15] Juski: eek – I still have my old 3d blaster banshee
[19:17:15] Zider: ah
[19:17:29] Juski: wonder if it still works...
[19:18:14] stuarta: Juski: 0.19 is best described as a checkpoint on the way to 0.20
[19:18:21] laga_: yep
[19:18:24] Juski: ROFLMAO! it's PCI!
[19:18:26] laga_: 0.20 will be nice. :)
[19:18:43] stuarta: almost good enough for 0.5!
[19:19:05] laga_: i hope we get an official mytharchive for 0.20
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[19:19:31] stuarta: laga_: my feeling is that is likely....
[19:19:45] laga_: stuarta: yay
[19:19:54] Juski: jeepers.. it boots!
[19:19:57] xris: laga_: should at least some time around then....
[19:20:04] stuarta: but not guaranteed
[19:20:08] xris: esp. if my mythexport project makes it into summer of code
[19:20:21] laga_: heh
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[19:21:48] Juski: ahhh I still have that AIW card... but hell will have to get icy before I try that one
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[19:22:29] ** Juski expects a kernel panic just as soon as umbongo modprobes nvidia **
[19:22:58] Juski: no?!
[19:23:41] Ryushin: Are there any Intel based AGP video cards? Are the drivers for the Intel cards truely open?
[19:23:50] stuarta: the ffmpeg people now have a sample stream to work on :)
[19:23:57] Juski: Ryushin: what would you expect?
[19:24:33] Juski: stuarta: nice!... but I'm concerned by your cx88 card not being able to cope with the new mux :-/
[19:24:48] Juski: in what way does it 'not cope' ?
[19:25:18] stuarta: doesn't return any data.
[19:25:18] psofa: btw has anyone noticed that when you mute the sound it doesnt really get muted?
[19:25:23] psofa: in both alsa and oss
[19:25:51] stuarta: it's also not a big fan of dvbsnoop and picking out useful tables...
[19:26:03] Juski: stuarta: eep! driver issues you reckon?
[19:26:03] stuarta: but works fine at SD data rates...
[19:26:29] stuarta: most likely, there are driver updates that I haven't pulled in yet...
[19:26:49] Juski: so erm... if whole mux recording happens.. that'd likely be bad too
[19:27:03] Sneaker__: xris, I think I already have winischhofer installed
[19:27:09] stuarta: I stopped at a kernel version that "worked at the time"
[19:27:20] psofa: when you say mux you mean transponder?
[19:27:35] Juski: mux == transponder (approx.)
[19:27:40] xris: Sneaker__: only if you installed it yourself
[19:27:41] stuarta: what he said
[19:27:59] Juski: can anyone remember who made banshee cards? 3dfx?
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[19:28:10] psofa: so is there support for seeing channels of the same mux at the same time?
[19:28:13] kormoc: Juski, 3dfx indeed
[19:28:14] psofa: in cvs
[19:28:18] psofa: *svn
[19:28:26] fozi: psofa: transponder is literally only correct for dvb-s
[19:28:26] stuarta: psofa: only trac atm
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[19:28:46] stuarta: ie. initial support has been started, but not committed
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[19:29:13] ** psofa wishes for a stable release with all the good dvb stuff in **
[19:29:47] psofa: im the only one able to cope with myth.the rest in family are like: wtf this thing takes ages to tune
[19:29:47] fozi: and that patch is not ready to merge
[19:30:08] Sneaker__: xris, I think it came with mythdora
[19:30:15] Sneaker__: xris, Is there anyway to be sure?
[19:30:42] SlicerDicer-: j-rod: actually mysql 5 would cause the "upcoming" recordings to vanish. This was due to mysql timing out so once I downgraded everything was fine
[19:30:47] SlicerDicer-: kormoc: thats what the deal was hehe
[19:31:00] stuarta: iirc, it's only the scheduler support that's been done...
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[19:32:04] Ryushin: xris: When you figured out the problem with the 1080i content showing the pink bar on the screen due to the ATI Radeon chip's XV buffer. Do that include the 9250 radeon chips?
[19:34:02] Sneaker__: hmm, top shows that ~70% of cpu time is free and still the picture is choppy
[19:34:41] Sneaker__: for a while the picture is normal then it goes fast for a while and then again normal and so on...
[19:35:01] fozi: stuarta: it's more but live-tv doesn't work etc.
[19:36:45] stuarta: btw. the eit & scanning fixes are converging. my latest scanning stuff is against the eit-branch
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[19:46:07] Juski: here we go... rebootifying umbongo with 3dfx
[19:46:18] Juski: bit of a comedown from nvidia but hey
[19:46:41] laga_: yeah, but 3dfx is the cooler company, so don't worry
[19:46:49] Juski: lol
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[19:47:04] Juski: aye – they went bust, so we favour the underdog
[19:47:14] laga_: heh
[19:47:49] Juski: arghhh X failed to start again
[19:51:08] ol_schoola: hey all, what's the best way to clean out the DB after eplacing all the capturecards?
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[19:52:20] LabMonkey: Anyone taken the Windows port SoC project yet?
[19:53:25] Juski: LabMonkey: closing date for applications is tomorrow, and then google have to allocate slots
[19:53:32] LabMonkey: hrm
[19:53:37] LabMonkey: not that I'm planning to take it
[19:53:42] LabMonkey: just wondering if anyone has
[19:53:45] sphing: xris: come back and play
[19:53:49] Juski: can't be too hard to write a _working) frontend
[19:53:57] LabMonkey: I can't even spell windows
[19:54:05] Juski: you just did, so you're the man!
[19:54:09] LabMonkey: OMG
[19:54:11] laga_: you rock.
[19:54:12] LabMonkey: I win at life!
[19:54:21] ol_schoola: maybe not HARD but certainly gonna take a chunk of time to do right
[19:54:33] Juski: hey it didn't stop winmyth
[19:54:37] LabMonkey: yeah I know absolutely zilch about win32 programming
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[19:54:57] Juski: LabMonkey: string of python stuff would do it – it's got all the libs you'd need
[19:55:06] LabMonkey: I don't know python either
[19:55:10] Juski: mysql, media playing, etc
[19:55:41] Juski: hell even something hackish that opens an external player would be better n nothing
[19:55:46] LabMonkey: I just want to record on my 550 athlon and play back on my winxp box
[19:56:04] Juski: just put linux on the other box – sorted!
[19:56:10] ol_schoola: pre-made picnic, even the forks are provided
[19:56:47] LabMonkey: besides
[19:57:04] LabMonkey: I don't have nearly enough time to do any SoC stuff this year
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[19:57:18] BlackShuck: Hi, I have a always on- linux headless PC, with no keyboard/mouse. It's connected to the VGA input on my Plasma, can I use it to play DiVX files on it, controlling plaback from my Windows PC via Putty or something?
[19:58:16] Juski: damn you 3dfx!
[19:58:19] ** Juski gives up **
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[19:58:28] ol_schoola: sure, I use VNC when i'm lazy and don't want to walk to the remote
[19:59:39] Sneaker__: If I add composite video-in of my DVB-T card to mythtv as analog video device, should I add video source for it in mythtvsetup?
[19:59:45] Sneaker__: I'am bit confused
[20:00:02] Sneaker__: mythtv asks for starting channel for it but it is not a tuner :)
[20:00:09] Juski: just say '3'
[20:00:21] Sneaker__: for starting channel?
[20:00:28] Juski: but make sure you have a '3' set up for it in your channels list
[20:00:29] sapbeast: did someone say damn 3dfx? i want to co-damn them
[20:00:51] Sneaker__: hmm
[20:00:53] ** LabMonkey co-damns them as well **
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[20:01:08] Juski: just tried for 20 mins trying to get umbongo & 3dfx working so I dont have to buy a new nvidia card yet
[20:01:17] ** LabMonkey spent $350 on a 5500 just 2 months before they went belly-up **
[20:01:24] Juski: time for Top Gear now :-P
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[20:02:18] xris: sphing: ? sorry, was eating.
[20:02:24] sphing: *yey*
[20:02:40] sphing: dsl/cable?
[20:03:09] xris: me?
[20:03:10] Sneaker__: Juski, how do I change between DVB-T channels and video-in in mythtv?
[20:03:23] sphing: xris: yea, youre in seattle right
[20:03:26] sapbeast: LabMonkey: man i remember that time too
[20:03:52] xris: sphing: yeah. digital cable for tv, comcast business cable for internet.
[20:03:55] Sneaker__: I should define "channel" for video-in so that every time I change to that channel mythtv will change to video-in source?
[20:04:24] sphing: xris: business cable... thats serious
[20:04:29] sphing: why?
[20:04:39] coshx: i've been trying for about a day to get sound working in mythtv, but no luck (tried all the suggestions / combinations i could find). saa1734-alsa with audio out going into the aux input on an SB Live! (emu101k). tvtime works when i unmute aux – any suggestions?
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[20:06:01] xris: sphing: because residential cable doesn't allow servers
[20:06:07] xris: or static ip's
[20:08:21] kormoc: coshx, http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-7.html#ss7.2
[20:08:39] Zider: xris: they do here.. at least non-commercial servers..
[20:09:00] coshx: kormoc: unfortunately, i'm too familiar with this page :( i've tried it, expect replaced Line with Aux
[20:09:16] coshx: s/expect/except
[20:09:34] kormoc: Zider, no, they don't, it works fine, but according to their terms of service, it's not allowed.
[20:10:12] kormoc: coshx, well, you sure you have myth set to record from the right sound card? Do you have more then one sound card?
[20:10:35] Zider: kormoc: what do you know of the cable companies over here?
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[20:10:45] kormoc: Zider, you're not talking bout comcast?
[20:11:11] coshx: kormoc: up until i rebuilt the kernel, i only had one card (even disabled on-board ac97 in the bios). now i have the tv tuner showing up as card 1, but mythtv is set to record from ALSA:default (also tried ALSA:hw:0,0)
[20:11:15] Zider: kormoc: no, cable companies over here
[20:11:23] Zider: kormoc: cable internet companies that is
[20:11:51] kormoc: Zider, well, given xris and sphing were talking bout comcast, I figured you were as well, given I didn't know you were not in the us.
[20:12:53] xris: Zider: some of the sites I host are commercial in nature, too
[20:13:11] Zider: kormoc: ah, no
[20:14:09] sphing: xris: business is expensive
[20:14:52] xris: sphing: $105/month for 5 static ip's... about $5/month more than I was paying for dsl
[20:15:14] xris: considering I host a dozen domains, it's cheap compared to hosting them elsewhere.
[20:15:22] Zider: xris: same here.. ;)
[20:15:38] kormoc: coshx, that's just odd
[20:16:22] sphing: xris: 100/month for residential or buiness dsl?
[20:16:36] Sneaker__: $105/month :O
[20:16:40] Sneaker__: omg
[20:16:45] coshx: kormoc: i know. i'm guessing that my .asoundrc isn't right, but i only found a very basic one on the forums, where i specify pcm.emu10k1 and ctl.emu10k1, and they're both the same (type hw and card 0)
[20:16:46] xris: sphing: residential sysadmin dsl from speakeasy... was about $90//month plus tax
[20:16:51] Sneaker__: with what speed?
[20:16:55] xris: Zider: occurs to me that there are a LOT of things about .se that make it better than being in the US
[20:17:05] xris: Sneaker__: 6M/768k, though I get more like 8M
[20:17:13] Sneaker__: ok
[20:17:17] Zider: xris: it has occured to me too ;)
[20:17:19] xris: Sneaker__: no caps, no monitoring, I can run whatever services I want
[20:17:23] kormoc: coshx, you might want to try not having a .asoundrc at all
[20:17:35] Zider: xris: especially when it comes to cheap broadband
[20:17:39] Sneaker__: I get 8M/~900k with 55e
[20:17:40] Sneaker__: DSL
[20:18:16] xris: Zider: and a good health care system, and hot women (though my wife is technically of swedish descent), and a good government, and ......
[20:18:21] sapbeast: it is 7m/512k here
[20:18:23] Zider: $60 for 4000/600 here.. and soon I'm getting 100/10 Mbit for more like $45.. :P
[20:18:56] Zider: xris: dunno about the women, I prefer asians.. :P
[20:19:01] sphing: Zider: where?
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[20:19:10] Zider: sphing: sweden
[20:19:20] Sneaker__: hmm, now that I got my Video-IN to work from Nebula the dvb-t tuner doesnt work :( It seems that they cant be made to work together?
[20:19:24] sphing: im getting ripped off
[20:20:19] Sneaker__: on startup I get lots of "MT-352 registry errors" which didn't occur until I added video-in as a analog device to mythtvsetup
[20:20:41] xris: Zider: I always went for the goth types, but ended up marrying a normal bright-color-wearing type. can't argue with love, I guess.
[20:21:01] Zider: xris: suppose not.. not that I get much of it.. :P
[20:21:21] laga_: xris: same for me, actually. i haven't married her yet, though ;)
[20:21:38] xris: Zider: you have to move out of your country for your accent to be "sexy"... then you get all kinds of women.
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[20:22:06] xris: laga_: wait, you've actually managed to keep a girlfriend?!?!  ;)
[20:22:10] Zider: xris: yeah, the same day hell freezes over and windows becomes stable.. :P
[20:22:11] coshx: kormoc: no luck.
[20:22:27] laga_: xris: 9 months now, i think ;)
[20:23:13] _nero_: do we need a calendar? The hottie wives/gfs who put up with Mythtv?
[20:23:25] ** laga_ won't share his **
[20:23:27] sphing: AHAHAHAH
[20:23:50] ** Zider don't have any to share.. since saturday.. :/ **
[20:24:03] xris: Zider: :(
[20:24:16] laga_: well, being a single ain't that bad sometimes
[20:24:21] _nero_: Hang in there Zider.. better fish in the sea, and all that jazz..
[20:24:26] Zider: laga_: I can't stand it..
[20:25:00] Zider: _nero_: riight.. lots of fish, basically none goes for my bait.. :P
[20:25:21] laga_: Zider: so, switch to the porn channel ;)
[20:25:37] _nero_: Zider, hence why I said it like I did..  ;) That line, and just about anything anyone says, wont really do anything for ya right now.. just takes time..
[20:25:38] Zider: laga_: uhh, even if I had one I wouldn't watch it
[20:25:53] ** laga_ snickers **
[20:26:33] stuarta: Zider: the trick is to not be looking...
[20:26:47] Zider: stuarta: doesn't help
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[20:26:56] _nero_: What is it? 5 days until Beirdo leaves the ranks of bachelorhood??
[20:27:05] laga_: stuarta: right. just get wasted and see where you wake up the next day
[20:27:05] kormoc: _nero_, the 20th
[20:27:17] _nero_: Look on the bright side Zider – you could be where Beirdo is.. ;)
[20:27:23] kormoc: so yeah, 5 days, lucky bas... :P
[20:27:24] Zider: _nero_: which is?
[20:27:28] xris: _nero_: I'd say Beirdo is in a good place
[20:27:35] _nero_: hehe.. I know.. he is in a good place..
[20:27:38] kormoc: _nero_, on a tropical island with his love about to get married?
[20:27:46] _nero_: trying to portray marriage as a bad thing to help Zider..
[20:28:00] stuarta: laga_: now that doesn't work, short term solution maybe...
[20:28:15] ** _nero_ married his love on a tropical island last year on May 20th.. and hasn't been happier.. though Zider doesnt want to hear that.. ;) **
[20:28:19] Zider: marriage is a pointless ritual only meant to chain the other.. ino..
[20:28:21] Zider: imo
[20:28:27] laga_: stuarta: well. it'd be really scary if it became a long term solution, right?
[20:28:39] stuarta: hmmmm....
[20:28:41] kormoc: Zider, even when both want it?
[20:28:49] xris: Zider: it's a great shelter from legal proceedings.  :)
[20:28:55] laga_: kormoc: how do you know what you want 10 years later? ;)
[20:29:05] Zider: kormoc: if both wants to be forever faithful, what's the point in signing binding contracts?
[20:29:17] Zider: xris: what proceedings?
[20:29:21] laga_: Zider: lower taxes?
[20:29:26] kormoc: laga_, I know myself well enough to be sure when I'm sure :)
[20:29:43] laga_: kormoc: you're a lucky guy :P
[20:29:50] Zider: laga_: nver heard of anything like that around here
[20:29:54] xris: Zider: spouses can't be compelled to testify against each other... same privilege doctors/lawyers get
[20:30:01] Zider: altho I barely know anyone that's married
[20:30:07] ** _nero_ was sure.. **
[20:30:13] xris: laga_: not lower taxes in the US
[20:30:36] laga_: xris: sad
[20:30:38] xris: though that may have been one of the ONLY good things that B*sh tried to do, was get rid of that messed up tax penalty
[20:30:40] _nero_: Zider, its amazing how quickly that changes.. 3 years ago, I knew one married couple (friends that is..) Now, about 3 of all my friends are not married..
[20:30:42] Zider: anyways, I'm screwed in any case.. I'm just not the boyfriend type..
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[20:31:01] kormoc: Zider, sure, overall it's meaningless, but it is a public commitment made in front of your family and friends. it's not a light commitment by any means.
[20:31:02] SirPageno: i think getting married should be as hard as getting divorced
[20:31:05] laga_: Zider: yeah, i prefer girlfriends myself, too
[20:31:10] kormoc: SirPageno, so dirt easy?
[20:31:24] Zider: laga_: I mean, I'm not the kind that becomes a boyfriend :P
[20:31:30] laga_: Zider: ah, k.
[20:32:01] _nero_: After my GF decided to come to NJ with me, I knew it was true love.. if she'd follow me to NJ, man.. THATS love!!
[20:32:03] Zider: laga_: I'm pretty much antisocial, I'm asexual and I hate kids.. for starters.. :P
[20:32:09] speedsix: Howdy all
[20:32:30] _nero_: hia speedsix – welcome to #theprosandconsofmarriage
[20:32:31] xris: Zider: makes it hard to keep a girl that way
[20:32:34] laga_: Zider: why do you need a GF if you're asexual? ;)
[20:32:41] Zider: xris: and even find one
[20:32:44] ** laga_ is antisocial and hates kids, too **
[20:32:51] Zider: laga_: to kiss and cuddle?
[20:32:53] SirPageno: i've been divored twice, and about to marry my third (and last) wife
[20:32:58] Zider: laga_: to spend the solitude with ;)
[20:33:04] xris: Zider: that's not asexual, that's celibate.
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[20:33:18] ivor: xris: lol
[20:33:37] Zider: xris: no, celibacy is choosing not to have sex.. I don't like it, even if I wanna like it..
[20:34:06] laga_: sex doesn't have to involve kissing and cuddling *cough*
[20:34:23] speedsix: _nero_, not the best topic for me going through a divorce LOL :;
[20:34:26] xris: Zider: asexual also means that you don't get turned on at all, which generally rules out the kissing stuff, too.
[20:34:35] _nero_: speedsix, doh!!
[20:34:41] Zider: xris: that's a different matter
[20:34:57] Zider: xris: altho I'm not all too fond of kissing either
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[20:35:15] xris: I can see how that'd be a problem for keeping a girlfriend.
[20:35:18] speedsix: /join angry_bitter_males ;)
[20:35:25] ivor: so.... mythtv.....
[20:35:26] laga_: living in sweden and being asexual. sorry, but that's casting pearls before swine
[20:35:32] Zider: xris: or getting one for starters. :P
[20:35:36] laga_: SCNR ;)
[20:35:36] xris: Zider: that, too
[20:35:46] Zider: laga_: casting what..?
[20:36:16] speedsix: Currently have 2 friends round, they've bought shitty archaic boxen each and want me to setup myth on each LOL funny guys ;)
[20:36:21] laga_: Zider: http://www.bartleby.com/59/3/donotcastyou.html
[20:37:10] Zider: laga_: hm.. I don't see how that's related..
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[20:37:31] speedsix: One of them scans fine in dvb scan but finds nothing in Mythtv, other box won't load frontend drivers!!
[20:37:38] jstew: Hi.
[20:37:40] laga_: Zider: never mind, i was just kidding ;)
[20:37:49] Zider: laga_: oooookidoki
[20:38:34] jstew: What do you guys think of the epia m10000 as a frontend/backend combo? I'm building a myth box for a relative. They don't dp anything but listen to mp3s and watch TV.
[20:38:45] Zider: hm, the irony with my girlfriend is that, one of the very few times we did have sex she got pregnant.. which lead to us breaking up.. :P
[20:38:53] Zider: so I'm even more antisexual now :P
[20:39:13] ivor: jstew: some people love them.
[20:39:32] jstew: Zider: you need to go screw ten other women dude :-)
[20:39:49] Zider: jstew: the thing is, I don't like sex.
[20:40:00] jstew: That's perfectly OK.
[20:40:08] Zider: not for the girlfriend :P
[20:40:12] jstew: true.
[20:40:15] laga_: Zider: you probably need to read up on contraceptive measures ;)
[20:40:24] Zider: laga_: contrawhat?
[20:40:28] jstew: maybe you could become a buddhist monk or something?
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[20:40:36] Zider: jstew: funny.
[20:40:42] laga_: Zider: stuff like condoms and the pill...
[20:40:46] ** ivor wonders what weird parallel universe he's stepped into. **
[20:40:54] Zider: laga_: used condom. it broke.
[20:41:02] jstew: I hear ya ivor.
[20:41:06] Doctor: heh heh heh
[20:41:08] _nero_: ivor- watch out, you might catch something.
[20:41:14] laga_: Zider: ouch.
[20:41:21] ** jstew thinks Zider needs to learn about the wonders of porn. **
[20:41:22] Zider: ivor: the wicked world of mythtv :P
[20:41:33] Zider: jstew: porn is pointless
[20:41:34] laga_: ivor: well, with mythtv, the wife/gf is always a factor, so i think it should be discussed in here
[20:41:54] ivor: you don't think we've wandered slightly off topic perhaps? :)
[20:42:08] jstew: Zider: so? it may be pointless, but so is going to work in the morning for some people.
[20:42:08] _nero_: the ever important WAF.
[20:42:15] Doctor: hmmm, shoutcast.com returns playlists in gzip format even to lynx
[20:42:20] ** xris thinks he may have finally come up with atrpms-free mythtv rpm specs **
[20:42:23] Zider: jstew: at least that gives some result; money.
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[20:42:30] _nero_: ivor, all of these problems stemmed from a frozen mythtv box..
[20:42:31] jstew: Well, my wife likes mythvideo/bittorrent/empornium.us
[20:42:42] kormoc: Zider, maybe you just need a female version of http://www.engadget.com/2004/09/01/boyfriend-arm-pillow/
[20:42:47] speedsix: _nero_, porn and 'WAF' don't really go
[20:42:56] jstew: My wife likes porn.
[20:43:03] _nero_: speedsix, depends on the wife..
[20:43:04] laga_: ivor: naw
[20:43:10] Zider: kormoc: hehe
[20:43:20] speedsix: indeed
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[20:44:33] jstew: So about the epia – can it do TV-out for SD without having to deinterlace? I know my sister in law will complain about the blur or fuzziness if I have to deint.
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[20:45:01] sphing: jstew: you tried hd on the epia?
[20:45:22] speedsix: gah compiling myth on an 866 :/
[20:45:28] xris: kormoc: found out something interesting.. 1080i with nvidia still gets interlacing glitches.. because sizing down the image blurs them together enough that the driver can't detect them for straight passthrough
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[20:46:07] jstew: sphing: nope. I don't have one yet, just evaluating a few options.
[20:46:08] kormoc: xris, ooh, that's quite interesting.
[20:46:38] jstew: I was also thinking about a box with a matrox g400 and doing directfb. I hear the picture is really nice.
[20:46:43] ivor: jstew: you don't need to deinterlace for tvout since you are spitting out an interlaced image.
[20:46:44] sphing: I think Juski was telling me yesterday that supposedly the cle266 can do 720p
[20:46:47] xris: kormoc: annoying, but understandable.
[20:46:55] ivor: sphing: yup easilly.
[20:47:01] enyc: meep
[20:47:11] sphing: ivor: and 1080i
[20:47:17] jstew: ivor: in a perfect world, yes. But on my nvidia, I still have to deint because the tv out chip does funny things to the field order.
[20:47:41] jstew: at least for svideo. HD is fine.
[20:48:14] xris: jstew: lame. most nvidia cards do that great.
[20:48:46] ** _nero_ is still in search of the ultimate nvidia res/modline, etc.. for svid out.. **
[20:48:57] jstew: It's better than my ATI card, but yeah.
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[20:49:08] sphing: ivor: 1080i?
[20:49:22] ivor: sphing: on a -pro yes.
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[20:49:25] sphing: m10k
[20:49:30] jstew: _nero_: you won't find one. you can't trick the hardware scalers in the tv-out chip.
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[20:49:34] sphing: so no
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[20:49:51] _nero_: jstew, doh!
[20:50:07] _nero_: guess that means I just need to go get a 50" HDTV..
[20:50:11] xris: jstew: you can at least switch between 480p and larger resolutions (on some cards)
[20:50:15] _nero_: (which, BTW factors VERY LOW on the WAF)
[20:50:18] ivor: sphing: indeed. no.
[20:50:33] sphing: m10k and 720p?
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[20:50:38] octan: howdy all.
[20:50:39] jstew: _nero_: sounds like a good solution to me :)
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[20:51:03] sphing: ivor: not svideo out, through vga?
[20:51:13] jstew: The best results I got from SD was opengl sync + bob deint + chromakey osd.
[20:51:29] ivor: sphing: what was the question?
[20:51:37] octan: i have a Q,. i can compile myth without lirc support and still be able to use lirc right? i can just use irxevent with lirc right?
[20:51:49] ivor: octan: yeah it just pushes keys.
[20:51:50] xris: octan: theoretically, yes
[20:51:55] jstew: How much of the mpeg2 processing is offloaded on the epais and how stable is it?
[20:51:56] _nero_: jstew, did you find that bob deint made your OSD shakey?
[20:52:00] octan: ok thxz :)
[20:52:02] _nero_: or is that what the chromakey osd is for?
[20:52:04] jstew: _nero_: not with chromakey.
[20:52:09] sphing: ivor: you said 720p was a go, but was that for -pro or a regular cle266 like m10k?
[20:52:13] _nero_: humm.. how does one do the chromakey?
[20:52:20] jstew: No transparency, but it beats flickering :)
[20:52:44] ivor: sphing: ah I was thinking 480p. wasn't concentrating. :) yeah, need a pro for 1280x720p.
[20:54:32] jstew: what exactly is VLD XvMC?
[20:55:04] laga_: _nero_: for chromakey, see #512 in trac
[20:55:24] octan: can i get some help? i get this error compileing myth http://pastebin.com/719475
[20:55:42] _nero_: thanks laga_ – will do!
[20:56:37] ivor: octan: did you make distclean after you changed configure not to use lirc?
[20:56:47] octan: ops... no
[20:56:53] ivor: jstew: the XvMC used ond the VIA boards.
[20:57:31] jstew: How is that different than MC and IDCT?
[20:57:53] jstew: I would assume that it offloads more of the processing to the decoder?
[20:57:56] ivor: yes
[20:59:18] jstew: Hmm... I think I'm gonna pick up an epia then and at least give it a shot.
[20:59:23] jstew: Thanks for your help ivor.
[21:00:10] ivor: jstew: if you're not budget constrained its worth looking for a unichrome-pro based board.
[21:00:40] octan: im compiling the svn source.. and im woundring.. does it support dvd menus?
[21:00:46] jstew: Yeah bugdet is a problem. Gotta keep it under $500. Looks like I'll have to be creative.
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[21:02:42] coshx: kormoc: do you think the problem might be that i compiled the tv tuner and emu101k into the kernel and not as modules?
[21:03:19] kormoc: coshx, doubtful, but worth a shot, given there isn't much else to try it seems
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[21:05:41] emes: xris (or anyone): how can in enable ffmpeg for mp4 output so i can export to ipod, on gentoo?
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[21:07:04] kormoc: emes, set the correct useflag and re-emerge?
[21:07:10] sphing: emes: use flags and reemerge ffmpeg
[21:07:28] emes: yeah, i know use flags, but which one
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[21:07:39] kormoc: emes, xvid perhaps?
[21:07:40] emes: there isn't a "mp4"
[21:07:48] emes: kormoc: enabled
[21:07:51] SirPageno: has anyone gotten mythmusic to play wma files (no drm)
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[21:08:04] kormoc: emes, why don't you just list the flags you have set/not set
[21:08:20] emes: media-video/ffmpeg-0.4.9_p20060302 -a52 +aac (-altivec) -amr -debug -doc +dts +encode -ieee1394 +imlib +mmx -network +ogg -oss +sdl -test -theora +threads +truetype -v4l +vorbis +x264 +xvid +zlib
[21:08:52] sphing: +divx
[21:09:04] kormoc: speedsix, there is no divx useflag for ffmpeg
[21:09:21] kormoc: is a52 required for apple's mp4?
[21:09:35] emes: a52 – Enables support for decoding ATSC A/52 streams used in DVD
[21:09:40] sphing: hmm i thought there was... i dont remember... not at home
[21:09:54] kormoc: emes, yeah, aac is the one that's requried, which you have
[21:11:10] emes: well, why is nuvexport not letting me use it? :)
[21:11:22] kormoc: donno
[21:11:33] kormoc: but your ffmpeg should be good for it
[21:15:02] emes: i guess we'll wait for xris
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[21:16:06] fiveiron: ok
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[21:16:12] corpix: hi
[21:16:31] corpix: how may i repair my database ?
[21:17:07] corpix: i think i devastated my settings table
[21:17:09] corpix: ;(
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[21:18:00] |rt|: hey guys I'm looking for ideas on why mythbackend woudl work as root but not as the mythtv user
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[21:18:40] |rt|: as mythtv the process dies the moment you try to watch live tv or record something with a permission denied error in the log
[21:19:11] |rt|: but the mythtv user has proper file permissions in the directories
[21:19:16] kormoc: |rt|, I would guess it would be a permission error that is explained in more detail somewhere in the log...
[21:19:19] SirPageno: |rt|, more than likely it's a permission setting on your /dev/video*
[21:19:28] SirPageno: or some other device
[21:20:12] |rt|: kormoc: the backend dies at that point and there are no more error meessages
[21:20:40] kormoc: I would imagine that it says slightly more then just permission denied and dieing.
[21:20:41] SirPageno: |rt|, can you play music?
[21:20:42] |rt|: SirPageno: ok i'll have a look at that...although I just su'ed to the mythtv user and got a permission denied trying to touch a file in that directory
[21:20:45] kormoc: try looking at the lines above
[21:20:52] |rt|: the user is in the video and audio groups
[21:20:52] fiveiron: holy crap... linux runs every last piece of hardware I own better than XP... lol
[21:21:04] |rt|: but let me look at this directory permission things closer
[21:21:42] |rt|: drwxrwxr-x 2 nobody mythtv 6 Feb 7 23:11 livetv
[21:21:42] |rt|: drwxrwxr-x 2 nobody mythtv 74 May 15 17:14 recordings
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[21:22:04] |rt|: but the mythtv user can't do anything in those directories
[21:22:11] |rt|: I be there's no mythtv group :)
[21:22:14] kormoc: is the mythtv user in the mythtv group?
[21:23:12] |rt|: there is a mythtv group and the mythtv user isn't in it
[21:23:28] |rt|: i knew it would turn out to be something silly that I over looked :)
[21:24:17] |rt|: thanks guys
[21:27:46] corpix: any idea how to re-initialize my "settings" table, i only got the table structure, no entries
[21:27:49] corpix: ?
[21:27:59] fiveiron: bleh
[21:28:21] fiveiron: i cannot figure out how to set up my sound cards/tuner so the sound is there when the tv is on, and not when i'm in the menus
[21:30:16] fiveiron: oh wait
[21:30:18] fiveiron: there we go
[21:37:00] fiveiron: how do you manually adjust the frequency of a channel from within watching tv?
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[21:46:45] Ryushin: xris: Are you still around?
[21:54:13] sphing: Ryushin: are you in seattle?
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[21:56:52] Ryushin: Nope, Denver.
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[22:00:25] speedsix: Howdy
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[22:00:58] fiveiron: what is the difference between us-cable, us-cable-hrc, and us-cable-irc?
[22:01:04] defi_: Whats the easies way to rip an .mpg file for viewing on a dvd?
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[22:02:06] SirPageno: fiveiron, hrc, and irc have channels on slightly differenct frequencies
[22:02:09] ol_schoola: fiveiron: hrc/irc are offset variations of the center frequencies used in some areas
[22:02:26] ol_schoola: most areas will use us-cable
[22:02:35] SirPageno: fiveiron, usually used in area's with more than one cable provider to avoid problems
[22:03:18] coshx: okay, this is weird – maybe someone's seen something like it before? I get no sound in mythtv, so i open up alsamixer -c 1 (my saa1734-alsa tuner) and change the capture device (any one, either on or off) and i get sound, but when i stop watching tv, and start again, no sound again.
[22:03:46] coshx: granted, the sound i get is mono, tinny, and very quiet, but it's something to work with
[22:04:41] ol_schoola: coshx: capture card?
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[22:06:06] coshx: ol_schoola: asus tv fm tuner (saa1733 chipset)
[22:06:11] ol_schoola: nvr mind, i see the ref and I don't have exp with them
[22:06:15] ol_schoola: lol
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[22:06:28] ol_schoola: sorry my bad
[22:07:15] armand: i wish i knew what was up with 0.19 and its disk io
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[22:07:49] armand: i delete i show from one of my frontends, as its being removed from the masterbackend (which is also a frontend) the frontend thats playing it skips and studders
[22:08:04] armand: its ext3, i know, not the best
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[22:08:08] armand: but this setup has been going for a year
[22:08:16] armand: of course .18 is fine ;/
[22:08:22] armand: s/is/was
[22:08:34] armand: and it seems to get worse as mythfrontend leaks memory
[22:08:39] armand: 457 root 15 0 203m 58m 26m S 24.6 11.6 5:11.68 mythfrontend
[22:08:51] armand: started may 8th
[22:08:59] armand: 7days of uptime, 200meg resident
[22:09:02] armand: thats terrible :)
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[22:09:13] armand: and thats 9878
[22:09:18] armand: not like, release
[22:09:23] armand: (which was just as bad)
[22:09:30] fiveiron: is there a way to dynamically adjust the frequency of a channel while watching it in the latest svn of mythtv?
[22:10:37] armand: strange that during all this crappy disk io that myth is doing, vmstat shows only moderate io traffic
[22:10:39] armand: its weird
[22:12:10] kormoc: armand, my 0.19-fixes is up for 19 days, any only 101M Virtual, 31M Resident, 10M shared
[22:12:23] Ryushin: I read this on a thread: the 1.0.1 version of xine-lib has a video option for the opengl driver called 2D_Tex_Fragprog that supposedly is as fast or faster than Xv on "modern graphics cards".
[22:12:25] armand: kormoc: then you have something different than me and several other people
[22:12:36] kormoc: armand, the first memory col is virtual memory, second is resident, and thrid is shared
[22:12:50] Ryushin: Can Myth do anything like this? I Daniel is work on some GL stuff in nvidia xvmc recently.
[22:12:56] armand: root 18929 0.0 11.6 208532 60228 tty1 S May08 0:00 mythfrontend
[22:13:06] armand: 208meg, thats WAY more than .18 ever used, with a 2month uptime
[22:13:16] kormoc: armand, so by your own poaste, it shows it as 58m res
[22:13:31] armand: with 140meg in swap
[22:13:40] armand: the frontend swaps like a bitch when you go through its menus, guides, etc
[22:14:07] armand: and its much slower when you choose to play a recording
[22:14:23] armand: takes a good 5 seconds or so to start watching a 1hr show, 2 or 3 seconds for a 30minute show (thats been recorded)
[22:14:41] armand: if i exit frontend and restart it, its back to normal speed, 1–2 seconds for 30minute shows OR 1hr shows, no difference
[22:14:56] kormoc: armand, virtual memory isn't swap memory
[22:15:16] armand: until the frontend is up for a couple of days, then its swapping like crazy, solid hdd light even though blocks/sec is only 4000–5000 and ive dd'd to the drive at 8000–9000
[22:15:43] armand: kormoc: let me guess, windows guy..
[22:15:50] armand: if its on disk, its swap
[22:15:56] kormoc: armand, hrm? I've been linux only for years
[22:16:05] armand: then why would you call it 'virtual memory'
[22:16:15] armand: and distinquish between virtual, swap, and real
[22:16:18] kormoc: armand, erm, I'm saying what top/ps/etc say is virtual memory, it's not swap
[22:16:31] armand: where do you think the virtual memory goes though :)
[22:16:31] kormoc: armand, http://virtualthreads.blogspot.com/2006/02/un . . . n-linux.html
[22:16:47] kormoc: armand, virtual memory is the memory shared by libs and similars
[22:16:58] armand: regardless of my understanding of memory, mythfrontend leaks
[22:17:00] armand: why its leaking, i have no idea
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[22:17:10] armand: how can i find out and what information do you guys need and where should i post it
[22:17:12] achew22: does anyone have an air2pc hdtv card (series 2) thats working?
[22:17:22] armand: because 1> im not the only person and 2> it hasnt been fixed in the numerous fixes for 0.19
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[22:18:01] armand: i could just say fuckit and buy the new backend box ive beenj playnning for a while with hardware raid5 and xfs, which would cure all this because it will be a dedicated seperate backend
[22:18:12] armand: but thats the retarded way, to throw hardware at a software problem
[22:18:32] Ryushin: Can Myth render HD using anything besides XV?
[22:19:46] armand: 08165000 8 rw--- 000000000011d000 008:00003 mythfrontend
[22:19:46] armand: 08167000 73072 rw--- 0000000008167000 000:00000 [ anon ]
[22:19:51] armand: mapped: 208940K writeable/private: 152440K shared: 16256K
[22:19:55] armand: with a 7day uptime, interesting
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[22:21:15] armand: i would have reverted to .18 a long time ago if i had known how many problems .19 within 7days of upgrading
[22:21:22] armand: since i cron backups and only keep 7days of the database
[22:21:38] armand: livetv used to lockup every hour on the hour switching between programs
[22:21:59] armand: fixes has corrected most of that, but there's still a chance (and it happens) that livetv will lock up and you have to exit and restart when it switches on the hour
[22:22:21] kormoc: armand, yeah, that writeable/private is the correct number, and that does indicate an issue
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[22:23:28] armand: kormoc: do you use xvmc?
[22:23:33] kormoc: armand, yes, I do
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[22:23:57] armand: i need to ask some of those other people that have mentioned memory issues on their setup in here too
[22:24:01] armand: i dont, because my gf4 doesnt like it
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[22:25:12] armand: my fx5700 also doesnt like it, i get black osd, which i saw was fix a long time ago, but -fixes never worked
[22:25:23] armand: and ffrwd/rewind in xvmc was unusually slow on it
[22:25:40] achew22: has anyone here sucessfuly put in a air2pc?
[22:25:52] armand: was useing 7676 drivers at the time, which was the right ones, but still no go. not a problem though, i dont really mind the 18% cpu mythfrontend uses heh
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[22:27:42] armand: the memory issue aside, the disk io is whats terrible
[22:28:21] armand: and i dont get why sometimes frontend cant even play a video, it sits there with a blackscreen for 30seconds or so, then drops back to recorded programs list... i'll select the same recording immediately, and it immedately plays
[22:28:40] kormoc: armand, the fix for the 5700 is a setting in the db now, so just set it and you'd get the color OSD
[22:28:40] armand: and the whole time, blocks/sec in vmstat on the backend s only around 2000, nowhere near max on the drive..
[22:28:58] armand: oh, sweet, is it on the wiki?
[22:29:12] kormoc: yeah, I also have been noticing very bad IO performance, but I havn't tracked it down yet
[22:29:15] kormoc: yeah, it should be
[22:29:27] armand: i cant figure out the io thing either
[22:29:33] armand: i know ext3 is part of my problem hehe
[22:29:50] kormoc: armand, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC#Gre . . . a_4_.26_5.29
[22:30:03] kormoc: I run ext3 as well, but it's way more then just standard disk io
[22:30:13] armand: ah thanks
[22:30:18] armand: yeah..
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[22:32:53] SirPageno: mythWeb looks great on my linux box using konqueror, but on my Win box with IE, it has no tables, or graphcis (hardly)
[22:33:11] SirPageno: any suggestions
[22:33:15] SirPageno: (besides, ditch IE)
[22:33:35] armand: hrm, come to think of it, ive never tried to use mythweb in ie
[22:33:45] armand: heh sorry
[22:34:00] SirPageno: well it used to work fine, until I went from .18 to the latest svn
[22:34:23] SirPageno: (actually the win box is what the gf uses...)
[22:34:26] SirPageno: ugh
[22:35:06] armand: should make her use firefox so there's less risk of bad-things-downloaded ;)
[22:35:20] armand: sorry that doesnt help you with ie though
[22:35:32] SirPageno: hehe...good advice still
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[22:36:01] armand: my gf cant tell the difference.. so on her laptop i installed ie and replaced her icons and that was that
[22:36:11] armand: but she dosnt use owa or any of that ie-required-stuff
[22:36:17] armand: er
[22:36:19] armand: i installed firefox
[22:36:23] armand: drrr idiot typeing today ;/
[22:36:52] Doctor: loller
[22:38:10] SirPageno: lol
[22:39:02] armand: i claim the long day at work excuse!
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[22:47:44] Juski: heh. commflagging works on itv4. starting to love those logos
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[22:51:55] psofa: does svn 9928 contain the dvb tuning fixes?
[22:52:29] Juski: psofa: check the commits list
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[22:59:11] Juski: SirPageno: you do realise that mythweb is actually proper css & html, whereas IE doesn't do _proper_ anything.. Ditch IE – you'll be better off IMHO
[22:59:38] SirPageno: thanks Juski
[22:59:47] psofa: ie is responsible for a shitload of incorrect webpages
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[23:00:58] Doctor: bah, why must shoutcast.com suck when i'm working on something
[23:01:51] Juski: you still need IE around sometimes though – for those fuck-ass pesky sites that refuse to work in firefox. I'm tempted to put some testing code into my site to make XP & IE er... not work with my site
[23:02:04] armand: or those fuckass pesky companies who choose to require you to use owa
[23:02:08] armand: or outlook
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[23:03:09] Juski: been surfin' bareback for 18 months now – ditched IE & OE... not a single virus/trojan/mal. Steering clear of dodgy sites helps
[23:03:33] Juski: AV software slows my system down too much so I'd rather run the risk of having to reinstall (err copy the working image back)
[23:03:50] armand: firefox+thunderbird and you're pretty safe
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[23:04:30] armand: unfortunately, some companies rquire you to use the exchange protocol for email, like the place i work at
[23:04:32] psofa: hm i just got an idea about my audio underruns
[23:04:36] armand: they dont allow imap, and they dont allow pop
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[23:04:48] psofa: irq sharing
[23:04:48] armand: evolution's exchange plugin doesnt work in 2003 with user@domain usernames
[23:04:55] armand: and thunderbird doesnt support exchange proto.
[23:05:07] armand: so you're, el-screwedo'd
[23:05:26] Juski: but if it's work's computer, let them deal with all the shite :-)
[23:05:32] armand: its your own laptop
[23:05:36] armand: and i dont do my job on windows :P
[23:05:43] Juski: ouchio
[23:06:11] armand: so i have to use owa in firefox, which lacks the ability to search your email if you're not useing ie
[23:06:12] CyberKnet: anyone have much experience with H.263?
[23:08:30] Juski: wooo! I got my old 3dfx card worky worky in ubuntu
[23:08:38] armand: hah nice
[23:08:40] Juski: CyberKnet: in what respect?
[23:09:21] CyberKnet: Juski: need to convert an avi that uses the H.263 codec to a DVD player playable DVD
[23:09:38] CyberKnet: preferrably in a batch... got a lot of these.
[23:09:41] Juski: avidemux not doing the biz?
[23:10:20] CyberKnet: For some reason it wouldn't pick up the audio stream in it
[23:10:26] CyberKnet: It's just PCM afaik
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[23:11:57] Juski: ffmpeg would tell you what it is, I think
[23:12:44] entropy|h: quick question, is there any reason I couldn't run apache1.3 instead of apache2 ?
[23:13:40] armand: no.
[23:14:09] entropy|h: k, thanks. I ask because the wiki only mentions using it with apache 2
[23:14:51] CyberKnet: hmm... I'll ftp it over to the myth box
[23:15:55] Juski: CyberKnet: if you're that desperate, a guy at work swears by DVDsanta (whatever the hell that is)
[23:16:30] psofa: Juski, isnt that a windows app?
[23:17:08] Juski: I guess it is, I dunno
[23:17:35] Juski: turning avi into DVD used to be one of my pasttimes, not now
[23:17:49] psofa: well there are many freeware apps that can do it i suppose
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[23:18:00] psofa: CyberKnet, you should check out doom9
[23:18:06] Juski: .org
[23:18:11] psofa: its a nice forum and tutorials page
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[23:19:45] psofa: btw i still havent found anything to bypass common dvd protection schemes in *nix
[23:20:01] Juski: apart from ****css
[23:20:04] armand: mplayer hehe
[23:20:10] psofa: Juski, apart from it
[23:20:21] psofa: a**os etc..
[23:20:26] Juski: why reinvent the 5 lines of code?
[23:21:06] Juski: ahhh mixing up the audio & subs streams.. I dunno if that's specifically to defeat ripping, but it does a good job anyway. you can't beat the manual approach
[23:21:23] psofa: Juski, yes i suppose this would work
[23:21:32] psofa: but it takes more time than pressing a nice button
[23:21:37] psofa: and be done with it
[23:21:48] Juski: so does installing mythtv, but hey who's counting?
[23:22:03] psofa: once you install mythtv you dont need to do anything else
[23:22:23] psofa: however ill need to do the same thing over and over again
[23:22:31] Juski: just grabbed 9932... have to see if it'll compile on this poor old box
[23:27:05] MORA_: "ld cannot find -lXext" any ideas, or is latest svn broken since I can compile -fixes fine
[23:28:09] kormoc: MORA_, you are missing that lib tis all
[23:28:27] MORA_: which lib is it ?
[23:28:46] kormoc: MORA_, libXext
[23:28:46] Juski: uh? ./configure --enable-dvb-eit doesn't work & the option isnt listed anymore – does that mean it's compulsory now?
[23:29:19] MORA_: and is it needed to modify settings.pro in svn versions to enable dvb, or is the --enable-dvb enough ?
[23:29:55] Juski: MORA_: I dunno, which is why I asked... always used to be an option before when I've tried this
[23:30:20] xris: MORA_: you usually need to point to the linux-dvbutils source directory, too
[23:30:50] MORA_ is now known as MORA
[23:30:53] Juski: try ./configure --enable-dvb – that should be enough
[23:31:06] Juski: I was asking about the EIT option which seems to have been removed
[23:31:23] Juski: ach I can live without it if it's not in there
[23:31:38] MORA: hm, yea, removeing my 3 lines in settings.pro skipped the error
[23:31:44] MORA: what did -eit do ?
[23:32:20] Juski: EIT is the over the air EPG we get on DVB in europe (mostly)
[23:32:30] MORA: ah
[23:32:48] MORA: my provider seems to only be carrying now and next :/
[23:32:57] Juski: it's spiffy – set top DVRs can use it to get totally bang-on recordings if a show is gonna be late
[23:33:14] Juski: MORA: you in Australia perchance?
[23:33:18] MORA: denmark
[23:33:28] Juski: ah
[23:34:00] Juski: as PVR ownership increases maybe the broadcasters will start providing a full EPG
[23:34:10] Juski: or maybe they already do & it's non-standard
[23:34:31] MORA: the reciever they delivered only shows now and next too
[23:35:19] Juski: ack
[23:35:30] Juski: they? a cable company?
[23:35:30] kormoc: MORA, if you don't libe libXext, myth may crash randomly, for your info
[23:35:45] MORA: viasat broadcasting stuff
[23:35:57] MORA: stupid closed encryptions systems = limited range of crap recievers to use
[23:35:57] kormoc: *libe = have
[23:36:16] Juski: heh. like cable over here then
[23:36:49] MORA: they have one box with hd in, and it dosent allow you to get the data off the box :/
[23:37:51] MORA: kormoc: no idea what it was missing, havent got it working with dvb yet, would prefer to have a full htpc rather than some dreambox as reciever though :)
[23:37:56] Juski: shoulda eaten the red pill
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[23:50:26] xris: kormoc: I've run into times where I have the thing installed and still get that error. I think sometimes a corrupt ccache can do it.
[23:50:46] kormoc: interesting
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[23:59:47] psofa: need to upgrade kernel but im afraid of breaking lirc and thats my worst fear :P

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