Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, May 11th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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Juski:

my 1ghz box can play 480p xvids just fine, so I doubt a 1.3ghz box would have issues with mpeg2

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Mattwj2005:

so I can play and record at least SD off of my cable with a 1.3 Ghz Celeron

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mchou:

Mattwj2005: forget it

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briand:

sure.

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Mattwj2005:

using firewire

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Juski:

in theory

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Mattwj2005:

mchou...what if I don't do them at the same time?

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mchou:

it doesnt matter

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Juski:

recording, when it's already mpeg2 uses very little CPU

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mchou:

not enough juice

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briand:

my 2.4GHz Celeron records 3 streams simultaneously while also playing (previously recorded material)

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Juski:

my 800Mhz backend could do PiP and record from a 3rd tuner.. albeit a little bit slow but video was smooth

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mchou:

Juski: most sd channels are even broadcasting 720p now

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Juski:

you could argue that depending on the video mode you've used, not having to deinterlace could free up a lot of CPU

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Juski:

and deinterlacing _is_ CPU intensive – most people have to do that if they're not lucky enough to have proper PAL or NTSC video modes supported by their VGA card

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Juski:

anyway Mattwj2005 – go ahead & try it. YMMV.. what do you have to lose but a little time? ;-)

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Mattwj2005:

well I will need to buy a firewire card and a cable

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Mattwj2005:

:P

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Juski:

there are folks with dual CPU 3Ghz machines who can't get even SDTV to play, so it's not all about the hardware

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mchou:

try what?? There is nothing to try

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mchou:

he got a cable STB. virtually all stations will pump out 720p over firewire

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mchou:

no fscking way 1.3 gonna decode that

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Juski:

I'll take yer word for it

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Mattwj2005:

does firewire only work with digital channels?

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mchou:

heaven forbid 1080i

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Juski:

do they upconvert SD? scandalous

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Juski:

Mattwj2005: yes firewire only works with digital

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mchou:

if you have ADS they work with analog too

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mchou:

Juski: STFU

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Juski:

mchou: hey! steady on there fella

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mchou:

you dont ever know wtf you're talking about

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Juski:

really?

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Juski:

I was gonna say I wasn't gonna even bother arguing this time, but I suppose...

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Juski:

put the dummy back in, mister smartypants

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Mattwj2005:

geez you guys

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Juski:

hey it's only the internet for chrissakes

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mchou:

lol

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Mattwj2005:

I appreciate both of your inputs pardon the pun

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mchou:

Juski: and the internet is your personal crapper?

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Juski:

mchou: leave it alone

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mchou:

Juski: I'll leave you alone if you stop bullshitting, how's that?

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Juski:

tell you what.. I'll just post everything I say with a preface of "to the best of my knowledge".. how's that?

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mchou:

no. saying that just mean's you ARE bullshitting

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mchou:

means*

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Juski:

after all – you can't go round believing everything you read on the net

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SirPageno:

ok folks, i just got the svn of mythtv, and I'm ready to compile, any suggestions like 'make distclean' etc.?

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Mattwj2005:

you can't believe everything you read in books either

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mchou:

Juski: right, which is why the inet doesnt need any more bullshit

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Mattwj2005:

you guys relax

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Mattwj2005:

:)

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Juski:

god – the 2 occasions I've tried to help and wasn't 100% correct you jump on my head.

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Mattwj2005:

no need to fight....why don't you download a podcast or something

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mchou:

2 occasions?

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Mattwj2005:

like I said I appreciate BOTH of your help

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mchou:

it's been so numerous that I lost count

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Juski:

yeh whatever mchou

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Mattwj2005:

*calls security*

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Juski:

believe what you want – it's not worth busting a blood vessel over

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Juski:

you actually managed to be civil earlier on – I was surprised actually

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mchou:

Juski: that's funny

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SirPageno:

ok folks, i just got the svn of mythtv, and I'm ready to compile, any suggestions like 'make distclean' etc.?

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Juski:

I'd suggest reading the documentation – it can usually be very illuminating

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Mattwj2005:

hey quick question....I got a Scientific Altanta 2100...will it still work?

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Juski:

the first step is to run ./configure I'd have thought

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Mattwj2005:

not a 3250!

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Mattwj2005:

:(

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mchou:

Mattwj2005: beats me

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Mattwj2005:

okay

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mchou:

Mattwj2005: worse comes to worse tell you cable co you need a firewire enabled box

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SirPageno:

i swear guys, i don't even know why I ask.....

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Juski:

damned if I know... the mailing list would be a good place to look for specifics

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Juski:

hell – another user asking questions about torrents of TV shows on the forum... argghh

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Mattwj2005:

cable and analog tv....that is my bittorrent ;)

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Mattwj2005:

*analog tuner

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jk1joel:

so with firewire set-top boxes, you can stream mpeg2 to myth? do they make restrictions on what you can stream?

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mchou:

jk1joel: depends where you live

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briand:

capability is there... but what, exactly, they do (if anything) is largely up to the cable provider

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mchou:

and whether your cable co rolled out 5C

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jk1joel:

5C?

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mchou:

DRM

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jk1joel:

oh

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jk1joel:

so even if it works for you now, they could clamp down in the future...

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mchou:

yup

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Mattwj2005:

you guys off the top of your hand....have an good sites for MythTV and firewire?

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mchou:

jk1joel: but meanwhile enjoy for $5/mo :)

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briand:

well, once they've found the scrotum, it's only a matter of time before they start squeezing...

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mchou:

briand: I bet you say that to all the girls :)

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briand:

well, no... not _all_ of them..

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briand:

Mattwj2005: have you tried 127.0.0.1:80 ??

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mchou:

jk1joel: it's worthwhile to rent STB for 1 month to find out exactly what you get and dont get

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Mattwj2005:

say what?

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jk1joel:

a friend and I are thinking about turning the directv tivo into a network-device that mythtv uses as a dual sat tuner to stream mpeg2

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jk1joel:

all this talk of cable boxes had me re-thinking whether to do it or not

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Mattwj2005:

I have looked at the web site for MythTV

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briand:

Mattwj2005: http://127.0.0.1:80

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briand:

;)

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jk1joel:

but if they can clamp down on drm in the future, I think we'll go ahead with our directv plans

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Mattwj2005:

oh my myth box?

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mchou:

jk1joel: directv has DRM for sure, iirc

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briand:

you should probably put some content there first, though.

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briand:

;)

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mchou:

jk1joel: huh??

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jk1joel:

mchou: sure, but we're using dirctv tivos that have been modded to decrypt the data, etc

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Mattwj2005:

I'll try it after Star Trek

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briand:

oh, so they're illegal boxes?

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jk1joel:

not really

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Juski:

you can be sure that any patches you submit to use them won't be accepted if they're hacked

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briand:

do they receive free pay television services, free ppv, etc?

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jk1joel:

no

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jk1joel:

we use our legit subscriptions

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mchou:

jk1joel: I dont get it

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briand:

then how, exactly, have they been "modded" ??

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Juski:

but modding to decrypt is against the DMCA – good luck & I hope you have a good lawyer

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jk1joel:

there are 2 encryptions... first the tuner decrypts what comes down from the sat using your access card. using the directv subscription that you pay for

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mchou:

jk1joel: you guys sure you know what you're doing?

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jk1joel:

normally, the tivo software then re-encrypts it and writes it to the disk. the tivo mod just skips the re-encrypt step

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Juski:

still very naughy

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Juski:

*naughty

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mchou:

jk1joel: is there a howto on this mod?

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jk1joel:

oh yeah, all the tivo users do it

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mchou:

jk1joel: linky pls

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jk1joel:

they copy the shows off their tivos to backup to dvd and such

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jk1joel:

I don't know, but I got all the info here: http://www.dealdatabase.com/forum/

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Juski:

just cos 'all the tivo users do it' doesn't make it legal

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jk1joel:

the point is, we're not getting any content that we didn't pay for with this mod

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Juski:

yeh but you're circumventing tivo's DRM

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jk1joel:

in fact, we don't need the mod at all for what we're planning with mythtv

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Juski:

right – so just save the 'stream' in whatever form it arrives in – i.e. just treat it as 'a file' ?

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jk1joel:

sure

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Juski:

so basically you'd just be using mythtv as a fancy NAS & scheduler

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jk1joel:

yep

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mchou:

I dont get it

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mchou:

why not just use direct tivo for that?

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mchou:

if there is a mod to "bypass"

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jk1joel:

so instead of going mpeg2->analog->mpeg2, we'd just grab the mpeg2 data after our access card has decrypted it and stream it

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jk1joel:

mchou: with directivo, you can only have 2 tuners per receiver, and there's no way to share scheduling, etc between 2 units

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jk1joel:

with mythtv, we could have several receivers that mythtv contorls and schedules

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Juski:

this is starting to sound like an unholy alliance

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jk1joel:

plus several front-ends can share the same shows, etc

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mchou:

jk1joel: bah......

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mchou:

jk1joel: I personally think that's lame

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briand:

i personally thought lame was an mp3 encoder

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jk1joel:

mchou: fine.. not everyone would be interested in this

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mchou:

you shouldnt need any D-A conversions

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jk1joel:

you do today

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Mattwj2005:

nope lame ain't mp3 encoder

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briand:

touche' matt

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briand:

;)

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Mattwj2005:

lol

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Mattwj2005:

:-P

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jk1joel:

mchou: how can you get shows from directv to mythtv without D->A->D?

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jk1joel:

without doing something like what I'm talking about

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mchou:

jk1joel: that's my point exactly :)

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briand:

why not just use a DVB-S card connected to your directv dish?

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jk1joel:

so you see why I want to do it now?

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mchou:

if you need a D-A conversion you might as well use svideo :)

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jk1joel:

briand: directv doesn't use dvb-s

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jk1joel:

they use their own thing

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Juski:

briand: I guess because directv is a closed system

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briand:

so then switch to dish network, then. ;)

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Mattwj2005:

so in Europe is anything encrypted in DBS-S?

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mchou:

jk1joel: with firewire there is no D-A :)

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jk1joel:

mchou: what I've been trying to tell you is that there's not D-A with what I'm proposing either

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mchou:

jk1joel: I understand

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mchou:

jk1joel: but why bother?

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mchou:

jk1joel: way too much hassle

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mchou:

jk1joel: and how will myth change channels?

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jk1joel:

well for one, directv is cheaper than cable, two, the directv box is 2 tuners per box, and three I already have hardware

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Juski:

Mattwj2005: plenty is encrypted

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Mattwj2005:

that sucks

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jk1joel:

changing channels is easy. they already have code that does that. it's just a tcl script that you run

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Juski:

there's a lot of unencrypted stuff, but not much worth watching

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mchou:

jk1joel: you run this tkl script on the myth box?

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Mattwj2005:

how much is a lot?

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mchou:

jk1joel: or on the directtivo?

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Juski:

and when DVB-S2 comes along, everyone skipping payment will be stuck

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Juski:

Mattwj2005: hundreds of pay-tv channels. for free, lots of shopping & quiz game channels

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jk1joel:

mchou: no, it runs on the tivo. so the service that streams data to the tivo would have to also run the script when the myth box sends a command or something

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Mattwj2005:

like the game show network?

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Juski:

Mattwj2005: no, like really shitty phone-in games

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Mattwj2005:

any news?

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Mattwj2005:

just curious....Europe generally doesn't screw stuff up like the us

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mchou:

jk1joel: as long as you're sure it works :)

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Juski:

stuff where they put an 'easy' question onscreen & you dial a premium rate number.. then find out that '4' wasn't what they had in mind for the question '2 + 2 ='

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mchou:

jk1joel: I still have my doubts :)

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Juski:

Mattwj2005: BBC news is free... so is $ky (fox) news

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jk1joel:

mchou: the channel change part is way easy. it's making sure the mpeg2 is in a format the mythtv handles well that I'm worried about

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Juski:

I think CNN & Al-jizz are available for free too

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mchou:

jk1joel: why would you worry about that?

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Mattwj2005:

how about Sky One?

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Juski:

Mattwj2005: subs only

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mchou:

jk1joel: just use xine/mplayer (if myth doesnt handle it)

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jk1joel:

Juski: Do you know if you'll still be able to use your own access card with DVB-S2?

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Juski:

jk1joel: AFAIK there aren't even any S2 drivers for linux yet

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Juski:

but I guess it'll still be semi-open like it is now

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jk1joel:

mchou: I'd much rather use Myth since then it'll support commercial flagging, osd, etc etc

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mchou:

jk1joel: doesnt directv use some mpeg-4 variant?

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jk1joel:

mchou: only for HD local channels, but I'll have the new HD-5500 for that

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Juski:

ooo I just found out that Tranquil, maker of nice HTPC cases are based close to where I live. Pity they dont sell the cases on their own though

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mchou:

jk1joel: how about for "other" channels?

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jk1joel:

mchou: mpeg2 for all SD chans, mpeg2 for non-local HD chans

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jk1joel:

of course, if they switch formats, I'd be screwed

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jk1joel:

but they can't switch without requiring millions of customers to upgrade their set-top boxes

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jk1joel:

not likely to happen in the near future

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mchou:

oh, they can switch

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jk1joel:

none of the current sd recievers support anything but mpeg2

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mchou:

how do the push out mpeg-4 ? :)

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mchou:

they*

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jk1joel:

only newer HD recievers support it

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jk1joel:

they only started doing mpeg-4 when they started offering locals in HD, so nobody had to upgrade if they didn't want to

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Mattwj2005:

so do you HDTV typically use Firewire?

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jk1joel:

it wasn't like they lost chans they previously had

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Mattwj2005:

I mean why do they put firewire on the cable boxes anyways

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Mattwj2005:

besides MythTV anyways ;)

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jk1joel:

there are HDTV sets that have firewire in (mitsubishi, for example)

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mchou:

cause cablecos pushed that as a std STB interconnect

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mchou:

and MSFT comes along and push HDMI

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jk1joel:

the mitsubishis didn't even have DVI or hdmi in (I'm not sure if they do now)

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mchou:

saying that firewire didnt have enough "bandwidth"

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jk1joel:

they were right

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jk1joel:

you can't use firewire with HD unless it's still compressed

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mchou:

jk1joel: true

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mchou:

but all video is gonna be compressed on way or another :)

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mchou:

one*

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jk1joel:

not with HDMI

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mchou:

mpeg-2, mpeg-4

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Juski:

not to mention that firewire doesn't have quite enough DRM for them ;)

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Mattwj2005:

lol

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jk1joel:

the point is, with HDMI, you don't care what compression format it was in originally

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mchou:

jk1joel: lol

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Mattwj2005:

DRM sucks! The MPAA is a bunch of jerks

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Mattwj2005:

RIAA too

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Juski:

you _do_ care about the key exchange though

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jk1joel:

Juski: true

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mchou:

jk1joel: you have field upgradeable decoders in your HDTV? :)

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Juski:

I sometimes wonder how much we are to blame for all this DRM shit (collectively I mean)

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Juski:

filesharing is out of hand – I can see their point in needing to do something about it. If it was my money that the P2Pers were leeching I'd be livid

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jk1joel:

Juski: true, but why punish the people that are paying you money?

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Juski:

they don't see it as that

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Juski:

they see it as having to buy compatible gear

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Juski:

I can imagine a lot of early adopters of HD stuff being pissed off though

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Juski:

those without HDCP in their equipment I mean

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jk1joel:

it doesn't matter how much drm they add... one person gets an unencumbered copy and it'll be on the internet, but all the real customers are getting screwed by DRM limitations just the same

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jk1joel:

so in the DRM harms the consumers, but still doesn't protect the interestes of the copyright holders

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Juski:

one argument but sadly the powers that be don't see it that way

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mchou:

and everybody foots the bill :)

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jk1joel:

yup

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Juski:

the DRM patent holder wins!

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jk1joel:

what they should do instead is vigorously pursue prosecution of copyright infringers

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Juski:

macrovision get it both ways – from manufacturers & consumers

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Juski:

same goes for DTS Labs

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Mattwj2005:

here is the basic problem with capitalism

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Juski:

yep

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Mattwj2005:

the only real goal is to make more and more money

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Mattwj2005:

that is why we have DRM

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Juski:

and the problem with communism is that we'd not have any of this stuff if it weren't for capitalists. Turnip lantern shows, anyone?

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jk1joel:

yep. so the moral of the story is: vote with your $$

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jk1joel:

buy the products and services that have the least DRM

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Juski:

I still maintain that if it gets really bad I'll just opt out altogether

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jk1joel:

me too

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Juski:

there are better things to do

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Mattwj2005:

eventually people are going to get so sick of DRM they are going to say so sue me

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Juski:

problem is you never realise til you pull yourself away from the cathode ray tit

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jk1joel:

nah.. I did it for 5 years while at the university

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jk1joel:

it's not that bad

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Juski:

I can't see many other people going for the abstention option

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Juski:

seen as so many folks think TV is some kind of birthright now

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Mattwj2005:

I buy used CDs....I'll never use iTunes to make a descent size collect because of the DRM

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jk1joel:

that's the only way to make your voice heard, right there

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Juski:

like I said – I can't see the proles going for it

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jk1joel:

Juski: I agree that most won't abstain completely.. that's why I say chose the one with the least DRM, etc

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Juski:

if they're rich enough they won't care. If they're too thick to understand they're being ripped off, they won't care

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jk1joel:

that's true too

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Juski:

that's how Sky TV have over 8 million subscribers in the UK

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kormoc:

well, if they are willing to pay it, is it really a rip off?

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kormoc:

or just supply and demand?

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jk1joel:

does Sky TV have lots of DRM?

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Juski:

jk1joel: they've got their own encryption

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jk1joel:

ah. like DirecTV in the states

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Juski:

something daft like 156-bit keys

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jk1joel:

so you can't use off-the-shelf DVB-S hardware, eh?

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Juski:

nope

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Juski:

it's funny – with their PVR, if you lose the signal you can't watch what you've recorded

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jk1joel:

is there a UK provider where you can?

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Juski:

jk1joel: nope

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jk1joel:

yikes!

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Juski:

we have the benefit of living within the footprint of some decent alternatives though

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Juski:

they're just not all English-speaking

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Juski:

the main terrestrial channels still get the lions share of all the ratings – and when you see what the fringes offer it's not surprising

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jk1joel:

do you get dvb-t chans for free there?

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Juski:

yeh – about 7 of them have decent content

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Juski:

the same channels are also on DVB-S

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xris:

Juski: you're in the UK, you don't get ANY free tv!

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Juski:

we also have pay-tv on DVB-T but that's mostly re-runs & 'lifestyle' shows

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Juski:

xris: I'd call the BBC great VFM though

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jk1joel:

true

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xris:

Juski: totally... but you guys still have to pay

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Juski:

we have the licence fee of about £140 a year.. plus subs on top of that

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jk1joel:

so can you get pay-tv on dvb-t with an access card?

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xris:

BBC makes great tv. I wish I got it here.. BBC America is vastly subpar

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Juski:

jk1joel: yes you can

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Juski:

but not in mythtv AFAIK

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Juski:

funny thing about paytv on mythtv is that nobody ever seems to talk about it – the _legit_, card carrying stuff

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jk1joel:

I've seen people talk about it.. there's the phoenix interface for dvb cards that lets you use your subbed access card to get chans that you pay for

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Juski:

thats naughty though

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jk1joel:

maybe from some people's point of view. not mine

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xris:

Juski: yeah. I'm kind of curious what the status of that is... since I know that there are EU providers that will give you a card for a dvb pci card

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Juski:

if it's not a proper hardware CAM in a CI, it's illegal

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Juski:

or at least against the provider's T&Cs in most cases

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Juski:

topuptv in the UK used to provide CAMs for their channels on DVB-T, but finding DVB-T cards with CI slots is something else

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xris:

jk1joel: the problem is that MOST people who want to talk about it here are talking about hacking dishnetwork in the US

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jams:

stupid msi board, its putting all the onboard stuff on the same irq

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Juski:

xris: totally depends what time of day it is I think.

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Mattwj2005:

firewire cards....linux support good or bad generally?

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xris:

Juski: could be. I haven't seen anyone ask about it here in awhile.

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Juski:

Mattwj2005: from the talk I've read, generally good depending on the chipset – some are surprisingly bad

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xris:

Mattwj2005: good

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jk1joel:

xris: there are people who want to get DN for free, which is naughty in my opinion, but I think we should encourage people to use their actual subcription card with mythtv

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jk1joel:

so they're not getting anything they're not paying for

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xris:

jk1joel: totally. but that removes the US market. there is no legal option in the US.

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xris:

well, except maybe c-band

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Mattwj2005:

would a wal-mart special work?

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xris:

Mattwj2005: might, might not... I have a $12 firewire card I bought years ago that works great.

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kazan:

*sound of boxing bell ringing* round 3

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kazan:

hey xris – i've confirmed that my LED works

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kazan:

9V battery FTW

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xris:

kazan: that's good

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Mattwj2005:

xris is it a cheapy? I am not even sure if this is going to work with linux

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xris:

Mattwj2005: yes, it was $12 shipped when I bought it like 3–4 years ago

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Juski:

Mattwj2005: I don't think there's much you can call expensive in firewire cards these days

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Mattwj2005:

okay firewire is a new thing for me

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Mattwj2005:

never used it before :P

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xris:

Mattwj2005: I think the issue is more of a "it depends on the chipset"... cost not going to be an issue.

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xris:

many cheap ones work, some expensive ones don't

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mchou:

if they carge over $20 they are ripping you off

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** xris gets ready to install his new fx5200 pci card... **

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mchou:

charge*

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Juski:

shit! I better be off to bed

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Juski:

night all

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kazan:

xris: so i cannot figure out why it won't transmit

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mchou:

wtf else is new

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JasonX:

ok bagpuss im off too

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xris:

kazan: that'd probably be "lirc not configured properly" or "pinouts wrong" or.....

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kazan:

i followed the schematic – althought my device is hybrid – it's both http://www.lirc.org/images/simple_transmitter.gif and http://lnx.manoweb.com/lirc/mids/components-color.png on one board

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kazan:

aye it would be, but i've been over every line of the documentation

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xris:

speaking of which... one firewire card into the mythbox....

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xris:

stupid pundit with the firewire in the FRONT, behind a DOOR.

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** kazan shoots, SCORES! **

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Mattwj2005:

hey you guys going to be around for a while?

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xris:

kazan: :)

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xris:

Mattwj2005: most of us are here all the time

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Mattwj2005:

I am going to buy a firewire card and I am going to give this a try :D

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Mattwj2005:

shouldn't this be pretty plug and play with Knoppmyth?

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Mattwj2005:

assuming my port is on

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xris:

Mattwj2005: does knopmyth use .19?

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Mattwj2005:

I am using the latest version of the CD...I just installed my first system last weekend

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xris:

Mattwj2005: dpkg -l mythtv

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xris:

I think that'll do it

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xris:

actually: mythfrontend --version

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scottder:

Is there a big difference between the HD-3000 card and HD-5500 (besides the number) :)

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kazan:

xris: it was actually the way i was testing it apparently

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Mattwj2005:

yeah version .19

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Mattwj2005:

sweet

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Mattwj2005:

newer is usually better

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kazan:

when i would point at my devices i was out of range, and it cannot pickup codes it is sending itself (or if it can it ignores them)

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Mattwj2005:

okay...be back later

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xris:

Mattwj2005: yeah, .19 is much better when it comes to firewire stuff

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xris:

scottder: there is no hd-3000

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xris:

pchdtv 3000 vs Airstar HD5000

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xris:

oh, wait... damn, pchdtv changed versions and added the HD

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xris:

*that* is going to be confusing

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xris:

scottder: http://www.pchdtv.com/hd_5500.html

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Phantom1000:

Can anyone give me a heads-up on what issues they have had on upgrading from .18 to .19. I'm using a Gentoo system and would like to try to limit my downtime as much as possible.

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xris:

Phantom1000: I didn't have any problems. but I did it incrementally over several months

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Varanger:

hello

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Varanger:

I need a remote control & receiver for my mythtv.... can anyone advise me one model??

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xris:

Varanger: depends on how much money you want to spend

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mchou:

damn, where do these pchdtv ppl think they get to charge these kind of prices?

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xris:

mchou: $130?

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mchou:

yeah, that's a rip

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xris:

$60–70 for an analog card. pchdtv cards used to be $200, too

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mchou:

sad thing is there is more electronics on analog than digital

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mchou:

so if anything, digital should be less.

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mchou:

and Fusion is ~$100

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Varanger:

xris: I don't care for the remote, I don't care if it is too basical... what I need is the receiver

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robthebob:

hi guys, how do i change the transcoding profile i want to use?

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Varanger:

xris: For instance, I use my PocketPC with TV as a remote control

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robthebob:

if i select a recording, how do i choose what quality to use?

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mchou:

xris: same NIM and PIC bridge too

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mchou:

PCI*

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xris:

Varanger: you mean a remote receiver? build your own.

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mchou:

Varanger: where do you live?

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xris:

robthebob: I don't think you get that many choices when transcoding..

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Varanger:

xris: hahaha.... I don't know anything about electronics and circuits

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Varanger:

mchou: Peru

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mchou:

lol

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Varanger:

mchou: South Amercia

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xris:

Varanger: really? I grew up in Lima

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Varanger:

xris: Are you lying to me??

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robthebob:

xris: what if i want to transcode different shows to different qualities?

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Varanger:

Hablas espanol??

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xris:

Varanger: nope.

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mchou:

Varanger: you going to buy inUS? :)

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xris:

Varanger: hace muchos años

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Varanger:

mchou: Yes, in Amazon, Buy.com or any online store that accepts International credit cards

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Varanger:

xris: Donde vives ahora?

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mchou:

Varanger: damn. that must be expensive

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xris:

Varanger: Seattle, USA

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mchou:

Varanger: you dont have to pay customs?

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xris:

Varanger: I don't know about what receivers you could buy... it's usually easier to make your own for this kind of thing... if money isn't that big of a deal the latest microsoft mce remote is pretty nice, and the receiver sort of works with linux

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mchou:

xris: only if electronics distributors are widely available in Peru :)

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xris:

mchou: would be easy enough if he's in a big city

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mchou:

TSOP might be hard to come by in Peru, I dunno

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robthebob:

xris: whats the point of the high/medium/low quality settings in recording profiles then?

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Varanger:

mchou: if the bill plus freight are below $100, I don't pay any customs

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xris:

robthebob: perhaps I'm wrong... I use lossless transcoding and that's it.

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robthebob:

hmm ok xris thanks, i just can't find it anywhere on the wiki or docs

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xris:

robthebob: well, it's pretty straightforward.. recording profiles -> transcoders

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xris:

and to transcode, press right-arrow to select the show and get a menu (or M for menu) and you'll get transcode options

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mchou:

Varanger: so are there well stocked stores w/electronic components by where you live?

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robthebob:

xris: under job options i only get "begin transcode"

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robthebob:

no mention of which quality to use

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mchou:

cause it will be much cheaper to build one yourself than $100

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xris:

robthebob: press right-arrow on "begin"

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mchou:

unless you make more than $100 per half hr.

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mchou:

Varanger: ^^^

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xris:

Varanger: more in the range of $10 to build your own

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xris:

esp. if you don't need a remote

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robthebob:

xris: that just starts the transcode

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mchou:

Varanger: well you have to include time in that estimate though :)

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mchou:

Varanger: the most time consuming part is to find components

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mchou:

Varanger: after that is debugging

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xris:

robthebob: not sure, then. I only use lossless transcoding. I use nuvexport if I want anything smaller

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robthebob:

xris: i see, you can set the recording profile on a show to be default/hq/medium/lq and it gets set then

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robthebob:

interesting decision

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xris:

robthebob: ah

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xris:

robthebob: not many people use the transcoder that way...

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robthebob:

k thx

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Varanger:

mchou: Do you mean I should try to build my own receiver???

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xris:

Varanger: yes, that's what he's saying

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robthebob:

do people tend to only use one profile then?

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mchou:

Varanger: yeah. it's not hard

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mchou:

Varanger: assuning you know which end of the soldering iron to hold :)

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Varanger:

mchou: I don't have the electronic-knowledge besides I've never built any circuit!!

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xris:

Varanger: it's not very hard... just soldering a few wires.

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mchou:

Varanger: you dont need any. Plus it's as good a time as any to start

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xris:

only remote I can recommend is: http://www.buy.com/prod/REMOTE_CONTROL_W_RECE . . . 1643775.html

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xris:

and I know it's not 100% perfect under linux

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mchou:

xris: what a rip

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mchou:

$10 for usb chip + $1 for TSOP

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xris:

mchou: it's actually a pretty nice remote.. and the receiver has 2 blasters integrated, and has better range than my RF remote does.

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xris:

Varanger: http://lirc.org/receivers.html

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xris:

that page will tell you everything you need to build a receiver.. pretty simple basic soldering

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mchou:

he'd be better off buying a hauppage pvr150 with the MSFT bundle

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xris:

mchou: except that pushes him over $100

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Varanger:

But it'll be great to build my own receiver

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Varanger:

Once I read one howto in lirc.org

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Varanger:

But I never tried

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mchou:

Varanger: give it a shot

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xris:

Varanger: it's one of the simplest things you can do... doesn't even have to look pretty, and will save you a bunch of money

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Varanger:

My only experience with circuits is that once I tried to build a PSX->LPT adapter

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mchou:

not really more than 7 components

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Varanger:

I only bought the parts but I never tried to build it

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mchou:

Varanger: haha, how did that o?

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mchou:

go*

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Varanger:

mchou: Got the parts, and...... I bought the adapter in the Internet.... so....

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Varanger:

:D

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mchou:

which adapter? the soyo KikiJoy-X?

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mchou:

or some hong kong make?

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Varanger:

I can't find it right now

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mchou:

Varanger: haha. did it work well?

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Varanger:

but I am sure it is hong kong make because I download the drivers from a *.tw site

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xris:

ok, time to go put in my new video card

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Varanger:

mchou: It worked great until I stopped to playing with PSX emulators and bought the real PS2

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mchou:

hehe

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Varanger:

Eventually, I have used it for SNES9x games

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Varanger:

Last year, I bought a logitech wireless pad to replace my very old Microsoft Sidewinder pad

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Varanger:

xris: The guide that you give me is for a COM receiver, isn't it ??

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mchou:

Varanger: USB is going to be much more complicated

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Varanger:

As the howto says, first, I need the infrared receiver

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Varanger:

mchou: Will I be able to use almost ANY remote control with this receivers???

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mchou:

an "universal" remote would work

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Varanger:

mchou: For that, I've got my pocket pc

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mchou:

huh??

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mchou:

a pocket pc is not a remote.

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mchou:

it uses IrDA

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mchou:

not compatible

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Varanger:

mchou: I use my PocketPC with my TV, I don't remember the program but it uses my ppc irda

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Varanger:

I'd love to use it too for my homebrew serial receiver

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Varanger:

xris: en que parte de Lima viviste?

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WAR_CH|LD:

http://pastebin.ca/54959 <--- just using myth and then the front end comes up saying it can not contact the back end, those are the backend logs. any ideas?

[03:00:52]

** kazan sighs as he configures a new remote because his fiancee managed to lose the other one in a clean house **

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WAR_CH|LD:

haha

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kazan:

i'll have to finish this tommorow

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kazan:

night everyone

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xris:

anyone know how to tell if xvmc is enabled?

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defaultro:

hi xris

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defaultro:

i got the dvgrab ang ffmpeg working on the fly :D

[03:25:34]

xris:

cool

[03:25:59]

defaultro:

i think, for you question, it does say on mythfrontend.log

[03:26:48]

defaultro:

do you guys know where we can buy an hdmi to rgb converter?

[03:28:40]

nero__:

anyone know if it is possible to have mplayer use ac3 passthrough if it is available, but if not, to just upsample the sound to 48khz, and send the normal sound?

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xris:

ahh, was missing some config file...

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defaultro:

nero, i guess you'd have to play with .asoundrc file

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xris:

ok, off to cook dinner.

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nero__:

defaultro, dont think it is in .asoundrc.. I can pass mplayer -ac=hwac3 which works fine for any files that have ac3 encoding, but get no sound for any files that dont..

[03:31:18]

nero__:

so I have to drop the -ac=hwac3 tag in order to get those files to work (which they then work fine)

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stealth:

I can record from my sa3250hd with test-mpeg2 BUT i cant change channels with sa3250ch; it says: "Could not find SA3250HD on the 1394 bus" .. ?

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Mattwj2005:

well that was a waste of time :(

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Mattwj2005:

I tired Wal-mart, Target, and K-mart and none of them care a firewire card

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Mattwj2005:

Best Buy, Circuit City, and Sam's Club were all closed

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Mattwj2005:

dang it

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Cardoe:

any LCD TV owners?

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Mattwj2005:

nope sorry

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Mattwj2005:

what is your question anyways?

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Cardoe:

opinions

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Mattwj2005:

okay cool...yeah no help to you

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Cardoe:

the one I really like has no PC inputs...

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Mattwj2005:

what type of inputs does it have?

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Cardoe:

HDMI x2, Component x 2, S-Video x2

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Mattwj2005:

okay

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Mattwj2005:

lots of inputs are good! :)

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Mattwj2005:

I take it your hooking it up to a MythTV box?

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SirPageno:

i gotta question bout mythmusic — does it play .wma files?

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SirPageno:

seems like it should...

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Mattwj2005:

hmm

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Mattwj2005:

wma with drm?

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SirPageno:

no

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SirPageno:

no drm

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Cardoe:

Mattwj2005: yes. I will. However... it's a PPC box... so S-video hasn't been working

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Cardoe:

SirPageno: it should afaik

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stealth:

anyone use a sa3250hd and sa3250ch.c (internal channel changing) ?

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Mattwj2005:

hmm

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Mattwj2005:

I found this web site but it doesn't mention wma....maybe that is what they mean by etc

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Mattwj2005:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythMusic

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Mattwj2005:

how big is your collection of wma? you might just want to re-rip them

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SirPageno:

yeah, i can't find any official docs that indicate which formats are supported

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SirPageno:

Mattwj2005, that is my final option

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Mattwj2005:

oh okay

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SirPageno:

rather not...

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SirPageno:

i guess I'll play around with it some more

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SirPageno:

anybody in here gotten the mythfm to work?

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SirPageno:

with a pvr-350

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Varanger:

SirPageno: http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythFeatures

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SirPageno:

well i'll be damned...

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SirPageno:

thanks Varanger

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SirPageno:

looks like the answer is no...

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Varanger:

MythWMA ???

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Varanger:

mplayer and xine does play wma

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Varanger:

Does anyone know where I can find old Documentation page??? (mythtv.org)

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SirPageno:

yes, i was really wondering why the myth team chose to write their own player, instead of using mplayer (et. al)

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SirPageno:

i'm sure they had a good reason

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SirPageno:

actually digging around in the source code they have an avfdecoder. which does seem to support wma

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cain297:

quick question – is there any way of starting mythfrontend without it going fullscreen??

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Varanger:

SirPageno: do you know where old Docs are stored????

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SirPageno:

Varanger, no, sorry

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SirPageno:

cain297, there is an option somewhere in the setups

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SirPageno:

lemme look

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SirPageno:

under setup/apperance there is box to check to run in window

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cain297:

SirPageno: Thanks – lemme give it a shot

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SirPageno:

i did some more digging on the wma stuff, and it looks like it is supposed to work...

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SirPageno:

so i guess i gotta debug now.

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cain297:

SirPageno: That worked – it did give me window – but for some odd reason i'm not able to resize it – the KDE right click menu has greys out the resize option

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SirPageno:

there is another setting somewhere where u can indicate the size

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SirPageno:

(i think)

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Bugatti:

Been reading a couple reviews of the pvr-500... Is this true?

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Bugatti:

"I also was not that impressed with the overall quality of the video this card captured. I have Hauppauge 250 and 350 cards in a couple of other PCs, and the video quality they capture is noticeably better than that captured by the 500 card."

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SirPageno:

Bugatti: idk... but my PVR-350 looks a lot better than my ATI analog capture

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Bugatti:

so many choices

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Cardoe:

Bugatti: it's a grounding issue for that guy

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Cardoe:

a 500 is 2 150s

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Bugatti:

thought it might just be the guy, you never know with reviewers

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Sedorox:

and at least using newegg as a pricing point.. 2x 150's are slightly cheaper then a 500... granted.. if you need more tuners.. then yea.. 500..

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UBL:

pvr 500 also has internal spliter, so only need one cable input

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Sedorox:

ah.. I thought it was two external..

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UBL:

i might be mistaken, as i have a pvr250 :)

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Sedorox:

ah

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Sedorox:

heeh

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Sedorox:

dunno.... honestly.. I haven't gotten mythtv up yet :p

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Sedorox:

all I have right now is some pos AverMedia USB tuner in my laptop.. which I can't get working anyway

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UBL:

under windows?

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Sedorox:

windows works fine... linux doesn't

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Sedorox:

but the only reason I go into windows is for gaming... which is rare

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UBL:

i only play 1 pc game and thats counter-strike :) and i can play that under wine

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UBL:

it's easier to play games on a console, plug and play

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Sedorox:

lol

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Sedorox:

me..

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Sedorox:

farcry, fear (not anymore tho.. finished it), and HL2

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UBL:

so is your soon to be mythtv box also dualbooting windows?

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Sedorox:

well.. I was gonna setup a front/backend thing to mess with... the backend is just a linux only box that I keep my music and crap on (and my 'test box' for anything I'm playing with)

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Sedorox:

then the frontend would just be my laptop for now

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Sedorox:

so front would dual...

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Sedorox:

but rarely :p

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UBL:

you can watch recorded shows in windows also (but can't auto skip commercials)

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UBL:

i have a xbox and ibook for my frontend

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Sedorox:

ah ok

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UBL:

pretty good setup, i can watch tv on laptop anywhere :)

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Sedorox:

yea... this summer I'm gonna get working on the msntv2 thing.. hopefully I can get that as a frontend (I know a few others are working on it too)

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Sedorox:

lol

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UBL:

whats msntv2?

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UBL:

tv station?

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Bugatti:

night

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Sedorox:

no... remember WebTV?

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UBL:

yea

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Sedorox:

its a newer version of that (msn bought webtv)

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UBL:

ah i c

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Sedorox:

its a celeron 733 mobile

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Sedorox:

with 128 ram.. modem.. ethernet.. etc..

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Sedorox:

so far.. and I might be off on this...

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UBL:

almost same specs as xbox

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Sedorox:

they got X.. with video excell working... just working on getting it out to the encoder so it goes out the composite

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Sedorox:

yea.. almost

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GreyFoxx:

I have it going to the encoder now

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Sedorox:

Ahh cool...

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GreyFoxx:

next is reprogramming theencoder to match the timings the x driver is using

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Sedorox:

did it working right going out yet?

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Sedorox:

ahh ok

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Sedorox:

still working on that part

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laga_:

xris: good luck

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xris:

laga_: looks like it works great

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laga_:

xris: awesome :)

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laga_:

xris: how's the picture quality compared to the sis chipset?

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xris:

better, I think

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xris:

just need to figure out how to adjust the overscan

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laga_:

xris: chutt once gave me a few hints: http://laga.ath.cx/~laga/tvout-nvidia_chutt.txt

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mchou:

I dont think it's the reviewer

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Captain_Murdoch:

huh?

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Juski:

mornin

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ivor:

aloha

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stuarta:

morning

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stuarta:

ivor: how was yesterday?

[08:27:03]

ivor:

Juski: ... reading the backlog.... 720p is not sdtv.. xvmc-vld can do hdtv on a 1Ghz processor.

[08:27:26]

Juski:

yeah I know. someone's an arsehole ;-)

[08:27:30]

ivor:

stuarta: been offered a role.

[08:28:09]

stuarta:

any good

[08:30:16]

ivor:

looks hard. :)

[08:30:32]

ivor:

should be very interesting

[08:31:19]

Juski:

anyway though – where would this channel be without the people who always know they're right whatever someone says?

[08:31:46]

stuarta:

and those who make up answers anyway :)

[08:32:31]

ivor:

Juski: indeeededey. very frustrating.

[08:32:37]

** SlicerDicer- screams bloody murder **

[08:32:41]

SlicerDicer-:

my internet is going crazy

[08:32:47]

SlicerDicer-:

excuse me internets!

[08:33:56]

stuarta:

got mine "working" again last night...

[08:34:15]

stuarta:

the downside to being upgraded to 8Mb is my SNR has gone to shit....

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SlicerDicer-:

ivor: my 1.4ghz handles xvmc hdtv without flinching of course I had to do the color hack :)

[08:37:45]

ivor:

been playing with google-trends, it's quite good fun.

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Juski:

my dad has swapped to 'talk talk' – and now can't get onto a lot of websites. not gonna say there _had_ to be a catch

[08:41:12]

ivor:

Juski: weird. any sort of pattern?

[08:41:58]

Juski:

yeh – basically the web's most popular sites. I reckon it's a transparent proxy issue

[08:43:33]

ivor:

not so transparent I guess.

[08:44:24]

Juski:

always said you gets whats yous pays for ;-)

[08:45:53]

Juski:

ivor, you know you just said xvmc-vld will do 720p – how is it with 1080i ?

[08:46:33]

ivor:

worked fine on the one 15 second hdtv clip I had available. :)

[08:46:46]

ivor:

all mpeg2.

[08:47:01]

Juski:

ooo. but I dunno what I'm getting all excited about since our hd will be h.264

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ivor:

indeed. no hd264 accel yet.

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Juski:

there'll be some nice streams available soon for some lucky londoners

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ivor:

hmm, wonder if there's any way to use h263 accel to help h264 in any way.

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k-man:

what could cause mythtv to record a program on a channel that doesn't exist?

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k-man:

what could cause channels to just re-appear after i delete them?

[08:59:09]

k-man:

is there a way to make one tuner have priority over another for a certain channel?

[09:10:12]

stuarta:

Juski: the test mux is running with 1 channel "BBC HD1" :)

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Juski:

yeh stuarta I know – one channel is all there's room for per mux AFAIK

[09:37:50]

Juski:

k-man: how can myth possibly record from a non-existant channel?

[09:38:02]

k-man:

good question

[09:38:07]

k-man:

i think i solved it though

[09:38:09]

Juski:

in mythtv 0.18, DVB channels would appear automagically

[09:38:18]

k-man:

i was deleting the channels from channels table

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k-man:

but not from the card0.xmltv file

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k-man:

so it kept putting them back

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Juski:

ah

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Juski:

that'd do it

[09:39:35]

k-man:

and it kept recording things on ABC that would be an empty file

[09:39:41]

k-man:

i dunno why but it was really annoying

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k-man:

anyway, i hope this solves it

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eiggirC:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx? . . . ;permanent=0

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eiggirC:

man some people are morons

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eiggirC:

:-)

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Juski:

ahh no, they have morons in NZ too. there goes my plan to emigrate there

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eiggirC:

Juski: -grin-

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eiggirC:

Juski: you don;t want to live here... only one DVB-T transmitter, and its doing three FTA channels plus some test shit. The single DVB-S satellite fell over last month for a couple days

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eiggirC:

and 256 kbit is "broadband"

[10:05:00]

eiggirC:

mind you cops don't carry guns either, so you win some and loose some

[10:06:02]

stuarta:

if you were welsh, half the population would be attractive too

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Zider:

any permanent connection is "broadband" here

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eiggirC:

Zider: where's that?

[10:06:29]

Zider:

sweden

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Zider:

on the other hand, broadband can be upto 100/10 :P

[10:10:28]

Juski:

I like the idea of any country that doesn't have strong political links to the US though

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Juski:

digital TV or not

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eiggirC:

Juski: :-)

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eiggirC:

Juski: afganistan? iraq? vietnam ? all countries that don't get along too good with USA :)

[10:18:11]

eiggirC:

anyway – my wireless is working again now

[10:18:33]

eiggirC:

you cannot bridge with vmware onto a wireless interface. You must NAT.

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Zider:

I don't even know if we have any links to Bushland :P

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eiggirC:

you speak english, and have reruns of MASH on tv

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eiggirC:

thats all they need to INFECT YOUR MIND!

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Zider:

;)

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eiggirC:

(I'm speaking shite again)

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Zider:

I don't watch MASH

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Zider:

it conflickts with the white house drama series

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Zider:

;)

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eiggirC:

Zider: so get another tuner

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eiggirC:

seriously – two tuners is the minimum I'd recommend

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Zider:

I don't even have one

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eiggirC:

and you're in #mythtv ?

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eiggirC:

:)

[10:20:22]

Zider:

yes?

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Juski:

he's also in #l337-torrenz I'll wager

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Zider:

hmm? *joins interestingly*

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Zider:

;)

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** Juski is nervous now.. my capex form is doing the rounds **

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Zider:

eiggirC: you know, mythtv can do more than record tv signals :)

[10:21:37]

eiggirC:

capex form? is that like a durex form ?

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Juski:

it's a form asking the company to pay out 16.5 thousand dollars

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speedsix:

Hi all

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adante:

can someone explain the aspect ratio settings in myth to my puny mind? i just upgraded from a 4:3 to 16:9 tv and i'm trying to figure out what's supposed to be best

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adante:

my dtv station broadcasts a 16:9 feed

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adante:

but when i put the ratio into 16:9 or 'off', it's letterboxed (everything extremely flat)

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speedsix:

I don't think you need to do anything then, mine seems to know the screen is 16:9, maybe from the xorg config, and the picture is correct

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adante:

well the fact that it's letterboxing a 16:9 feed for a 16:9 screen makes me think i do :]

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speedsix:

I expect you need to check your X config and tell it the screen is now a widescreen set

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speedsix:

I believe there's an aspect ratio setting in there somewhere

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adante:

hmm there's the displaysize if thats what you mean, its already set right

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speedsix:

Hang on a sec I'll try and look at mine

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Juski:

displaysize in my xorg.conf is 400 225 for a 16:9 TV

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Juski:

and mythfrontend is set to use '0 – fill' – it stretched 4:3 content to fit, but I'd rather that than watch stuff with black bars on most things

[10:45:12]

Juski:

don't forget that black bars are bad for your TV in the long run, especially if you own a plasma

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speedsix:

Hmm my xorg config doesn't suggest anything to say it's a 16:9 set except the 1360x768 res

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adante:

speedsix: would you mind posting your xorg config i've been trying to force my tv into 1366x768..

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adante:

(on an unrelated matter, heh)

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speedsix:

I have a dual screen, one widescreen and the other a standard 4:3 monitor. Programs seem to know the ratio

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speedsix:

yeah sure..

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speedsix:

http://pastebin.com/711160

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adante:

Juski: hmm.. what does fill do exactly? it seems to be the same as 'off' for me

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Juski:

what aspect ratio you need to use depends on the resolution you're using

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Juski:

I'm stuck with using 720x576, so I need displaysize set in xorg.conf

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Juski:

adante: fill 'fills' the screen whatever the aspect of the original material afaik

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speedsix:

Juski's right re stretching, mythfrontend stretches my 4:3 stuff

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Juski:

I sometimes use 4:3 zoom though

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adante:

Juski: hmm.. well i'm using 1280x1024 at the moment because the damn thing won't go do 1366..

[10:49:13]

Juski:

for stuff that's on a 4:3 channel but it's actually 'wide'

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speedsix:

adante, you need to add the modeline

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Juski:

if you're using a TV output there's no point at all using daft wide aspect resolutions

[10:50:04]

adante:

Juski: dvi, i'm hoping to do some web-surfing and other things on this computer

[10:50:07]

adante:

er, tv

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adante:

speedsix: thanks will give it a go

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Juski:

internet on the TV? forget it

[10:50:50]

Juski:

it's nigh on unusable

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speedsix:

It's alright @ 1360x768 ;)

[10:51:03]

Juski:

depends how close you sit I suppose

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Juski:

and how quickly you get sick of scrolling

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speedsix:

Yeah, it's a little wide so yeah scroll alot

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Juski:

stuff that for a game of doctors & nurses

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adante:

well i don't know, i've done it on my old crt @ 640x480 so i'm sure i'll manage :]

[10:52:03]

speedsix:

Juski is there an easy way to copy recordings to your video section?

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Juski:

yeh the cp command

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speedsix:

lol ok thanks

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adante:

um, so is there a way to scan for a modeline, or how does one generally go about finding them (sorry for the OT-ness)

[10:53:14]

speedsix:

do the standard .mpg myth records play ok without any faffing?

[10:53:26]

speedsix:

Yeah there are web pages that generate them iirc

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speedsix:

little javascript doobries

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speedsix:

google for one

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Juski:

speedsix: depends what you try to play them with. xine & mplayer work fine, as does vlc

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speedsix:

if I copy them to my myth video folder will mythfrontend play them ok?

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Juski:

if you have mythvideo installed yes

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speedsix:

Thanks

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Juski:

of course you'll be able to timestretch them if you use the 'internal' player

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speedsix:

mythvideo has an internal player? I thought it always used xine/mplayer?

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stuarta:

it does, under active development at the moment

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speedsix:

Oh right

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stuarta:

it's always been there, just now people are improving it.

[10:57:08]

Juski:

like adding dvd menu support & stuff ;-)

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speedsix:

I'd kinda expect myth to have a 'copy to videos' option

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Juski:

naw.

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stuarta:

they are working on that too.

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speedsix:

stuarta, working on what?

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Juski:

dvd menu support, not 'copy to videos' I guess

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speedsix:

Ah

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stuarta:

copy to videos, or in this case, archive to shiny medium

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Juski:

it might not be too hard to add that option

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speedsix:

Mytharchive?

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stuarta:

yep

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Juski:

I'm gonna punch the next guy who asks what he needs to do to get it working with 0.19

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speedsix:

Is mytharchive based on mythburn or is it rewritten?

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stuarta:

yes and yes

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speedsix:

Ok, because mythburn seems to make silent dvb burns for me

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stuarta:

no audio?

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speedsix:

Yeah, menu audio but no audio on the recording

[11:00:33]

stuarta:

basically taking the ideas from mythburn, reducing the deps, & integrating it

[11:00:40]

Juski:

projectx only selecting the first audio stream which turns out to be blank

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stuarta:

or audio described :(

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Juski:

speedsix: DVB recordings?

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speedsix:

Yep

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Juski:

why the hell they bother with that I will never know

[11:01:29]

speedsix:

Any workaround? Is it burning mpeg audio to the disc??

[11:01:41]

Juski:

'eastenders'.. some ugly bint gets it on with another ugly bint...

[11:01:46]

speedsix:

Both with what, mythburn?

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stuarta:

audio described? it's an access for the disabled...

[11:02:14]

speedsix:

Eastenders would be more palatable minus the audio I can imagine

[11:02:52]

Juski:

it'd be more palatable if it was no longer made

[11:02:56]

Juski:

:-D

[11:03:05]

speedsix:

You're not wrong

[11:03:19]

speedsix:

Chav tv at it's finest

[11:03:20]

Juski:

they should keep audio channel 1 as main audio

[11:03:33]

speedsix:

so is there a workaround for mythburn and dvb?

[11:03:46]

Juski:

not fanny about with the PIDs all the bloody time

[11:04:32]

Juski:

speedsix: not really. how would a script know which is the right audio track?

[11:04:46]

speedsix:

hmm, I see

[11:04:58]

Juski:

it caused problems for some recordings in 0.18 aswell

[11:05:31]

Juski:

the assumption that the 1st audio stream is the _right_ one doesn't always work

[11:05:33]

speedsix:

Next question then, how do I get mytharchive working in.. ;)

[11:05:52]

Juski:

easy. you don't :-P

[11:06:22]

speedsix:

U no likey then?

[11:06:59]

stuarta:

wait for 0.20

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speedsix:

You mean there'll be an official mytharchive plugin then?

[11:07:48]

stuarta:

maybe. it's not even with the rest of the plugins yet.

[11:08:07]

speedsix:

I see

[11:08:10]

Juski:

looking good from what I've read so far though

[11:08:36]

speedsix:

Juski do you use the uk xmltv grab thingy or EPG?

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stuarta:

going to try to fit in some testing of that, in between fixing everything else...

[11:08:58]

Juski:

tv_grab_uk_rt, til someone fixx0rs EIT

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Juski:

;-)

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stuarta:

oy, i heard that )

[11:09:36]

speedsix:

Damn radio times seems to think certain episodes of My Name is Earl only last 20mins, cut off at the end suprisingly

[11:09:38]

Juski:

I'll only use it for DVB radio though

[11:09:57]

Juski:

speedsix: so pad out recordings you care about

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Juski:

I got too used to having my time set with NTP, seeing the opening titles of a show at the start of a recording,.... like HOW cool – then being disappointed as hell when the schedule was off

[11:11:14]

speedsix:

How do you get the channel scan to include radio channels, mine ignored them?

[11:11:29]

Juski:

and with the world (fu)cup coming, and then Wombledon, you better pad your shows by 6 hours

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stuarta:

that's under development as well...

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Juski:

speedsix: you can still import a channels.conf or fuxx0r the DB yourself

[11:12:01]

speedsix:

what automatically padding shows by 6hrs when the world cup comes around? ;)

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Juski:

60 minutes would be enough for the world (fu)cup games

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Juski:

6 hours (or more) for wombledon though

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Juski:

or snooker

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stuarta:

for wimbeldon you need backup scheduling

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stuarta:

for when it rains, as it always does

[11:14:06]

Juski:

yeh – when they show an unscheduled gem

[11:14:50]

speedsix:

Is there anyway to listen to streaming net radio in myth currently?

[11:15:17]

Juski:

I wonder if they'll make full use of the DVB features when analogue is switched off...

[11:15:44]

Juski:

speedsix: mythstream (not to be confuzzled with mythtstreamtv) – but gooooood luck getting it to work with 0.19

[11:16:00]

adante:

can anybody spot anything wrong with this: http://rafb.net/paste/results/g0NZO472.html ? x still won't play ball

[11:16:14]

Juski:

someone on the ML has done a workaround to put stream playlist info into mythmusic

[11:17:26]

Juski:

adante: whaddya mean 'wont play ball' ?

[11:17:29]

LLyric:

adante: did you check Xorg.0.log? What does it say?

[11:17:42]

Juski:

Option "TVOverScan" "159"

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speedsix:

Does mythweb have some sort of stream tv/video plugin, I remember a previous version having it but not on my current knoppmyth install?

[11:17:57]

Juski:

# stupid overscan doesn't work, use nvidia-settings... not bloody surprised since overscan is a number between 0 and 1

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Juski:

speedsix: gawd. mythstreamtv

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speedsix:

Cheers chap ;)

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adante:

Juski: well for the record there wasn't much of a diff between 0 and 1 :]

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Juski:

there's a hell of a difference between 0.5 and 1

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ivor:

Juski: ooh thats a point... what would be a good way of specifying overscan parameters?

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Juski:

unless the naughty buggers have changed the parameter range again

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Juski:

ivor: depends what kinda range you can acheive

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Juski:

eeks: http://www.theregister.com/2006/05/11/tivo_adservice_launched/

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Juski:

tivo only has that many subscribers? I thought it'd be much more than that

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Juski:

4.4 million isn't as many as I'd have thought

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speedsix:

Juski do you autoflag commercials? I tried it but the detection seems to be a bit 'off'

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stuarta:

off is an understatement

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speedsix:

I was being polite

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Juski:

works great with most of my cable channels

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Juski:

didn't work so well on Sky one the other night though – but I bet that's mostly because of all the extra stuff under the logo lately

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Juski:

doesn't seem to work at all on channel4, 5 or ITV

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Juski:

it's about the only benefit to having those nasty DoGs on channels (logos)

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Juski:

oh fucking hell: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/05/11/gogs_hunt_dvds/

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sapbeast:

Juski: with all other problems solved too

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speedsix:

"when you consider that fake DVDs smell no different from legitimate items" LOL

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Juski:

I checked today's date, and it's not April 1 ;-)

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speedsix:

FACT = Idiots

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Zider:

"As part of a project promoted by the Motion Picture Ass. of America..." as in Assholes?

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speedsix:

Register always writes it like that :)

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Zider:

:D

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sapbeast:

Just somewhat funny they obviously have time to search our packages for DVDs but not bombs, explosives and nuclear devices

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Juski:

they don't need to search parcels for those – they have eschelon

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Zider:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/09/23/mac_l . . . _cd_players/ – amazing how ignorant and stupid people there are

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sapbeast:

he could get away with it though when you look at os market share

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haj:

Zider: s/consider purchasing a regular CD player/consider installing edonkey/ ? :)

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Zider:

why edonkey of all programs?

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Juski:

I reckon it's the most aptly named P2P program

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Zider:

aptly?

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haj:

Zider: actually.. because if you are looking music it's easier to find on the donkeynetwork, not that i know anything about that.. *chough*

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Zider:

easier than..?

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haj:

i mostly use good oldfasion LP records.. :)

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Juski:

people I know have used it – and I've seen it in action. looks pretty useless to me

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haj:

Zider: stuff.. :)

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Zider:

haj: you don't make any sense

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haj:

Zider: s/consider installing edonkey/<insert your preferred p2p application here>/ then? :)

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Zider:

that's better :P

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Juski:

I got told off by a forum user for telling him not to mention illegal stuff last night

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Juski:

he exploded, saying "what?! next thing you know people like you will be banning the internet"

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Zider:

haha

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Merlin83b:

Heh.

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Juski:

does that again, he's banned

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Zider:

ban him from the intarrweb!

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Juski:

if only

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laga_:

re

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Juski:

wb laga

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Juski:

how goes life?

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laga_:

uh, annoying ;)

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laga_:

and what about you?

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Zider:

I'm annoying too!

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Juski:

I'm pissed at the forum again

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Zider:

I'm pissed on.. by my rat.. :/

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laga_:

Juski: heh, awesome

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Juski:

haha

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speedsix:

Right I'm off chaps, everyone's getting dragged into a software meeting gah

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adante:

ok.. when i try to watch livetv on my 2nd card, myth kicks me back with some fail message about not being able to find a channel (the starting channel is set to the same as the 1st card which works fine)

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adante:

however, when i start recording something on this card, it works fine.. what's going on?

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adante:

http://rafb.net/paste/results/jxXVQP97.html

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stuarta:

does the same thing happen the 2nd time you attempt livetv on the 2nd card?

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C4T3l:

hello world

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C4T3l:

if anyone ever uses the minimalist-wide theme and gets stuck, I fixed my problem by changing settings directly in the database

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C4T3l:

its a long story, but i've got time if you do :)

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GreyFoxx:

You could just post it to the Wiki or mailling list :)

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GreyFoxx:

Especially to the list if it's a preproducable bug :)

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C4T3l:

well, its actually stupidity on my part

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C4T3l:

I wanted to try a theme i hadn't seen before

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C4T3l:

so i tried minimalist-wide. I didn't like the interface and I hava a reg TV set

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C4T3l:

the "settings" link on the frontend was missing. I only have a remote control.

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C4T3l:

i was told later that "page up" would have solved that problem but by that time I already fixed it

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C4T3l:

it was fun to play in mysql tho :)

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psofa:

do i need to have mysql installed on a frontend? maybe some libraries are needed?

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psofa:

because a frontend of mine doesnt work any more

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psofa:

and the only change i did was uninstalling mysql from the frontend

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RaYmAn-Bx:

you need QT with mysql support..the mysql support probably requires the mysql libraries

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RaYmAn-Bx:

so basically, yes

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psofa:

shit

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psofa:

:)

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RaYmAn-Bx:

it should be enough with just the libraries though..if that's possible on your distribution

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C4T3l:

psofa: what distro?

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psofa:

gentoo

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psofa:

theres a "minimal" flag but i wont risk it :)

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Zider:

don't, it doesn't work

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C4T3l:

psofa: steer clear of minimal!!!!

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psofa:

thank god

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psofa:

there was a unicode flag once

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psofa:

and it fucked me beyond belief

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psofa:

myth couldnt see the database etc

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GreyFoxx:

Well, not being a gentoo person, as long as "minimal" still installs the client libraries, which it would kind of have to, it might be fine

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Zider:

I tried with the minimal flag and it didn't work

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doc_:

hi there... does any one have a frontend with wifi ? :)

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GreyFoxx:

doc_: I use too

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C4T3l:

not me but that sounds cool

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GreyFoxx:

not anymore since I wired every room in the house :)

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doc_:

GreyFoxx: mmm ... do you know which is the minimal bandwith to watch live tv ?

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GreyFoxx:

but my laptop is an impromptu wifi frontend under vmware on occasion

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psofa:

wouldnt it be the bitrate of the video?

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GreyFoxx:

Well, that depends on what you set the bitrate of the profile to be

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doc_:

mmm from dvb-t :?

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GreyFoxx:

ahh ok

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ivor:

doc_: how fast is your wireless

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GreyFoxx:

1–2 megabits should be fine for SD recordings

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doc_:

ivor: 54g ... but mmm there is a lot of space between AP and future frontend...

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doc_:

ivor: so ... not very strong signal :/

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GreyFoxx:

I ran mine on 11b back when I had a fulltime frontend on it

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doc_:

GreyFoxx: but how strong was the signal ?

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GreyFoxx:

No clue :)

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ivor:

hmm. depends what speed you manage to get then. 54g should be fine for dvb-t. but 10b is probably not going to be fast enough.

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psofa:

im having a performance problem with the backend.Watching dvb-t from the remote frontend is fine.However watching it from the frontend running on the same machine as the backend results in many underbuffers

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psofa:

cpu usage is pretty low

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GreyFoxx:

AP was in the basement, FE was in the 2nd flood bedroom

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psofa:

20%

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ivor:

s/10b/11b/ :)

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doc_:

GreyFoxx: mm... not bad :)

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Zider:

cantenna <3

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Zider:

;)

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gbee:

doc_: did you get an answer to your question here?

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doc_:

gbee: something so, thanks :)

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gbee:

just checking, saw you ask in -dev and as I do have a wireless frontend thought I'd check :)

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doc_:

gbee: :)

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doc_:

gbee: nah... I was thinking about to use wifi from a frontend in the other side of the home

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doc_:

s/home/house

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gbee:

you'll need a 802.11g connection for it to be reasonably reliable, but you've probably heard that already

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gbee:

right, I'll retreat back to whence I came

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Juski:

merlin83b: you've got one of them tranquil cases for your epia haven't you? do you know if you can buy just the case?

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johnp_:

Does any know what you need to do to enable mheg in svn ?

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hashbang:

psofa: using Xv? XvMC? PCI latency tuned? hard disc DMA enabled (if using PATA)? CPU? VGA card?

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Juski:

johnp_: does the ./configure script not tell you with --help ?

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johnp_:

I didn't think so, maybe I missed something ......

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psofa:

hashbang, xvmc/i ll try changing latency to 64/dma is on/amd thunderbird 1200/nv fx5200

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psofa:

but its the same if worse in xv mode

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imperfect-:

Howdy.

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imperfect-:

Anyone know what I have to do to get Myth to transocde HD content

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Bugatti:

I have kind of a dumb question, if I get an amd 64, should I use a 64bit distro release (would I run into many driver issues?) or can I just use a standard x86 release?

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psofa:

Bugatti, from my experience the only thing i can tell you is use a standard x86

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psofa:

there are no driver issues that i have run into

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mmead:

Bugatti: I run deb x86_64, and at this point Im' considering going to deb x86

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psofa:

but many programs like mysql clients havent been ported

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Bugatti:

and I can do that with an amd64, right? It just wont utilize 64bit

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psofa:

not to mention that x86 has the most bleeding edge packages

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psofa:

sure you can do it

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mmead:

Bugatti: correct

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Bugatti:

good, thanks

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mmead:

Bugatti: start with x86

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Juski:

is any of the 64 bit stuff even nearly there yet? or is it still a case of much ado about squat?

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mmead:

Bugatti: if the hardware doesn't perform as you expect, *consider* x86_64

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mmead:

Juski: what do you mean?

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imperfect-:

Yeah, would transcoding be any better w/ EMT64

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mmead:

it should be

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mmead:

from what I understand, x86 on Athlon64 for equivalent code is about 40% less performance than x86_64 on Athlon64

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mmead:

mostly from scimark and similar benchmarks

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Juski:

mmead: I mean – is it worth going 64-bit?

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mmead:

Juski: when buying hardware or when picking x86 vs. x86_64 ?

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mmead:

wow

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psofa:

Starting up as the master server.

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psofa:

/mnt/store/recordings/nfslockfile.lock: Permission denied

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psofa:

Unable to open lockfile!

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mmead:

1080i working on my $900 laptop

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psofa:

but i run the backend with sudo!

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psofa:

and theres a recordings directory

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mmead:

too bad xv on this ATI card puts a pink bar on the right side of the screen

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Juski:

pink? nicer than green or blue though eh

[15:42:20]

mmead:

Juski: I'm not convinced a mythtv install works better under 64 bit

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mmead:

Juski: lol

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mmead:

Juski: I have seen people report this before

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ivor:

you could always change the colourkey to a dark colour.

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imperfect-:

you know

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mmead:

Juski: I may try my patch to for XV_PORT to blitter

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imperfect-:

Watching HDTV content on my laptop

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mmead:

the pink bar obscure part of the video

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mmead:

obscures

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imperfect-:

A macbookpro w/ 2ghz dual core

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imperfect-:

is like 56% cpu

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mmead:

if only this thing had nvidia graphics

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Juski:

mmead: I'm just wondering if the majority of stuff is working for 64bit now. my next systems could well be 64bit

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mmead:

Juski: everything works for me ATM

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Juski:

or is it a case of just use x86 for now?

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mmead:

Juski: firewire recording, air2pc gen1, airstar hd5000, pvr-350

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imperfect-:

So who wants to explain to me the finer points of multiple backends

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Juski:

ah right

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** Juski doesn't **

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mmead:

Juski: I get occasional glitches with specific 1080i content

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mmead:

Juski: mostly due to high cpu load with bob deint

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mmead:

Juski: that never happened to me with .19-fixes under athlon xp x86

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imperfect-:

I've recorded 2 shows in high def so far

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imperfect-:

and good god some of these stars have unfortunate skin

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mmead:

Juski: there is some issue with xorg and the nvidia drivers

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mmead:

Juski: causing high xorg cpu use

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mmead:

Juski: I find for those specific streams I am changing to linear blend and watching that way, then switching back for everything else

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mmead:

Juski: when this is resolved I will consider x86_64 myth a full success...

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Bugatti:

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=350015

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mmead:

Juski: other than getting the 5.1 analog output patch working and dolby prologic / prologic ii decoding / bypass (with LFE steering), I'm considering that the only outstanding item for my myth setup for the next 6 months

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mmead:

Bugatti: do you do HD or SD?

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Bugatti:

SD

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mmead:

imperfect-: yeah, a lot of stars are apparently complaining about that

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mmead:

Bugatti: I feel pretty confident saying you will not have issues if you go x86_64

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Juski:

cool

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hashbang:

Juski: I've been using CentOS 4 on EM64T hardware for about a year. The base distro is fine, but some sub-optimal external applications need some work to compile and/or port. Occasionally, some of the bugs are fairly tough to solve (e.g. time_t changes to a 64 bit value on 64 bit platforms)

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Juski:

as for the stars – they aren't important enough for every frame of video to be airbrushed? I pity them

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mmead:

Juski: once that 1080i bob deint cpu usage drops, I will be pretty darn happy with it

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Juski:

roll on 10GHz CPUs then. we'll need em to decode h.264 in 1080i

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mmead:

heh

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mmead:

my mac mini does h.264 1080p just fine

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mmead:

dual core 1.66Ghz

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Juski:

yeh but that's not in mythtv is it?

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mmead:

I'm relatively surprised this 1.5Ghz Pentium M is playing 1080i

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mmead:

Juski: no

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ivor:

Juski: are you compiling the openchrome driver from source?

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Juski:

mmead: playing 1080i, deinterlacing, and you don't have nvidia grphics? jees! I think you should consider yourself lucky if what I've read of people's experience is anything to go by

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mmead:

Juski: and no xvmc

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Juski:

ivor: no – I can't be bothered rolling my own. I just grab a new minimyth tarball once in a while

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ivor:

Juski: ok.

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Juski:

the current one (0.19-beta2 or something) works just fine for me so I've no reason to change it right now

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mmead:

Juski: 720p is playing perfectly

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ivor:

Juski: no probs. just current svn has arbitary mode support for vga out enabled for cle266.

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mmead:

Juski: it's just that this card's damn xv support will not scale 1080 properly

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Juski:

tell that to mchou when he comes in :-)

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mmead:

Juski: seems like that junk 5200 I have

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mmead:

Juski: why?

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Juski:

just tell him. you'll see why

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Juski:

or look in yesterday's log

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mmead:

Juski: he argued with me for an hour once when I told him 720p and 1080i were playing back on my athlon xp @1733mhz

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mmead:

said it was impossible, that I was lying

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Juski:

ah well, so it's not just me going mad then

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mmead:

claimed an fx5200 did not have the video bandwidth for 1080i

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mlehrer:

it's impossible!

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mlehrer:

jk

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imperfect-:

Is there anything special I need to do to encode hdtv content?

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Juski:

un-possible, actually

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mmead:

imperfect-: you probably can't encode it

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mlehrer:

imperfect-: from what source

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mmead:

imperfect-: or do you mean transcode

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imperfect-:

Cuz forwhatever reason anything recorded ananlog tran

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imperfect-:

i mean transcode

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imperfect-:

sorry

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imperfect-:

anything I record analog transcodes fine

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imperfect-:

but not the hdtv content

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mmead:

imperfect-: I'm having lots of trouble with hd content transcoding

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Juski:

capturing/encoding hdtv content is a little bit out of our (mere mortals) league

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mmead:

imperfect-: since I have plenty of disk I use the lossless, and it fails on most things I try to use a cutlist to reduce

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Juski:

though the conexant cx23416 chip is capable of working with 720p dontcha know... pity Hauppauge didn't put component inputs on the pvr150

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mlehrer:

what are you using to transcode it? avidemux2 should work

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imperfect-:

Yeah I just want to be able to get it small enough to stream;)

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imperfect-:

mlehrer : I'm just using the mythtranscode deal

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mlehrer:

ah, i've never tried that

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mmead:

Juski: I would get one if they had – I could pull the 1080i off the cable box for 5c channels

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imperfect-:

It works pimptastically w/ analog stuff

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Juski:

imperfect-: YMMV with mythstreamtv

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imperfect-:

Juski: nah... I'm just using VLC and feeding it a MythWEB .nuv link... works fine for analog stuff

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psofa:

imperfect-,can myhtweb create a livetv buffer of a said channel without a frontend running?

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imperfect-:

mythweb is just a set of php scripts

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imperfect-:

So I seriously doubt it ;)

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psofa:

ye me too

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laga_:

2

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psofa:

but i alsways hopw

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psofa:

*always hope

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mlehrer:

you can install the myth front end on another box though

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laga_:

oops

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Juski:

psofa: it wouldn't be impossible

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Juski:

within the mythtv protocol is the framework to make all the right calls

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Juski:

might even be able to say screw the windows FE effort – just make a web-based one

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Merlin83b2:

I like that plan :-)

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Juski:

if XBMC's python scripts can do it I don't see why a bunch of scripts couldn't do it

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** Juski wonders idly if you can buy IR translucent epoxy **

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Merlin83b2:

A lot of epoxy dries very transparent to visual light, no idea on IR.

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** ivor dreads to imagine what Juski is planning **

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Juski:

making a nice IR window for my case

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imperfect-:

I wonder if they make a soundproof car trunk.

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Juski:

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Juski:

(which isn't cuboid)

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ivor:

heh. I just cut a square in the front of mine with the IR receiver behind it

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imperfect-:

Are there better solutions than the remote w/ the PVR cards/

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Juski:

I think I might just pull the HDD LED out & enlarge the hole a bit

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Juski:

imperfect-: best of all is the IR receiver built into the box

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imperfect-:

Juski: Built into the box?

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Juski:

of course

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imperfect-:

Juski: I'm really just talking in terms of like "pressing key" watching things happen

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imperfect-:

as it stands

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imperfect-:

i've got to hit the key like 60 times.

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Juski:

lol

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imperfect-:

Know what I mean?

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Juski:

nope

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Juski:

get a better receiver

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imperfect-:

I'm using the one w/ the PVR CARD

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imperfect-:

what would you suggest?

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Juski:

the ones I've got (home brewed) work great even in bright light

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Juski:

also helps that my remote has 2 emitters

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imperfect-:

Juski: What are you using?

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Juski:

oh I'm also sort of planning to build a litle PIC board so I can power the machine on & off with the remote too

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imperfect-:

Do you use lirc?

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Juski:

imperfect: the basic serial LIRC receiver. a 3 pin IR chip & a couple of other bits

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imperfect-:

And couldn't you program a key in lirc to send a command to a program to at least shut it down?

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ivor:

Juski: hmm can't you trigger everything you need off lirc and acpi?

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Juski:

ivor: not waking the system up I can't

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ivor:

or is this for "hard reset" ability?

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Juski:

bit of both

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Juski:

I don't mind having to get out of my chair too much though

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ivor:

hmm, isn't there a wake up on serial interrupt configurable in the bios?

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ivor:

ah, although.. with lirc that would probably trigger all the time.

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ivor:

:)

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ivor:

yeah go for the pic chip.

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Juski:

yeh but any old remote pulse would turn it on if that was the case ;-)

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ivor:

yeah just realised that.

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Juski:

ickle 4 pin PIC jobby should do it

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ivor:

was a great idea while it lasted.

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ivor:

yup, would be very cute.

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Juski:

gonna play with lcdproc soon too – just for the demo machine though

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C4T3l:

lcdproc is cool

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C4T3l:

i used to send obscene messages to my girlfriend while she was at home watching tv

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Juski:

I thought that was what SMS is for.. anyway...

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C4T3l:

ha

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lcas:

or mythtv osd alerts :)

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C4T3l:

sweet

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Juski:

never played with mythnotify yet

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C4T3l:

that's not a bad idea

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C4T3l:

you guys ever use mythphone?

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Merlin83b2:

Personally don't see the point. I have a phone for that...

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Merlin83b2:

I don't want to use my TV as a phone. Convergence is all well and good but that (for me, ymmv) is a step too far.

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C4T3l:

really?

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Merlin83b2:

Um, yes.

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Juski:

I'd tend to agree

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** Juski has a cellphone which umm.. makes & receives calls... and it does text messaging **

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C4T3l:

hehe

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Merlin83b2:

Imagine drawing up a requirements list for a phone, and one for a TV. They would have very little in common.

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Juski:

I uninstalled SK-hype a while ago

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** Merlin83b2 heart his new phone **

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Merlin83b2:

My phone has wifi and Skype on it :-)

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C4T3l:

what brand?

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Merlin83b2:

Orange SPV M600, aka iMate JAMin.

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Juski:

is the camera/food mixer part optional though – that's the question

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C4T3l:

i thought the food mixer was standard

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laga_:

fuck cameras on cell phones. i want a friggin' phone

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C4T3l:

what about an internet browser on the fridge

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Juski:

what about it?

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laga_:

i've seen fridges with TVs included

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C4T3l:

or a mythfrontend on the fridge

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laga_:

i wouldn't spend enough time in the kitchen to use that, though

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Juski:

I don't even have a TV in the bedroom

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C4T3l:

me neither

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C4T3l:

its bad for business

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Juski:

or in the toilet

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Merlin83b2:

Cameras on phones are good if the quality is good enough.

[16:29:20]

Merlin83b2:

I support that convergence.

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Merlin83b2:

Phone/Camera/MP3 player in one is good imo.

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laga_:

i have a frontend in the bedroom, but i only use it when i'm sick (or not alone)

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laga_:

Merlin83b2: most camera phones suck, quality-wise.

[16:30:04]

Merlin83b2:

Most, yes.

[16:30:08]

C4T3l:

true

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Merlin83b2:

In general they are getting better.

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ivor:

heh. cool I thought it was just be being a luddite insisting on having a basic mobile phone and no tv in the bedroom. :)

[16:30:25]

Merlin83b2:

MP3/Phone convergence (NOT the ROKR) is here already.

[16:30:31]

Merlin83b2:

Sony have the camera side pretty good.

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laga_:

ivor: heh

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ivor:

most people (colleagues) are surprised.

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** laga_ is too cheap to afford any spiffy toys (besides pc hardware) **

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Juski:

I insist on mono screens & mono ringtones. the less chintz the better IMHO

[16:31:30]

** xris agrees with laga **

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Merlin83b2:

I threatened to leave Orange for Vodafone and they cut the price to zero.

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laga_:

xris: well, not exactly too cheap. "too poor" would be better :)

[16:31:57]

xris:

I have an old b&w nokia.. only feature I need is bluetooth (even though I rarely use that headset)

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xris:

laga_: ahh. I'm just cheap. heh

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laga_:

if i got myself a nice phone, the phone bills would kill me

[16:32:19]

Juski:

I threatened to beat the kid up who was playing the crazy frog ringtone last time I got a bus

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laga_:

i'd like to have a hiptop, though.

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Merlin83b2:

Good job that man.

[16:32:52]

Merlin83b2:

I use vibrate on every phone I've ever owned almost exclusively.

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Juski:

only mutterred it under my breath though – didn't wanna be set upon by a pack of hyenas

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laga_:

Merlin83b2: my cell phone doesn't even vibrate – it's set to "stfu" (i like how you can name your own profiles) all the time

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Juski:

lol

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Merlin83b2:

Heh.

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Merlin83b2:

to both

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ivor:

right hometime.

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laga_:

especially because i'd get into trouble if my phone went off during class :P

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laga_:

Juski: you better hope i have a lot of homework, otherwise i'm gonna bug you about the dbox2 later tonight :)

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Juski:

been thinking about staying away tonight. keep away from a certain trollish

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Zider:

sorry, I'll be quiet :/

[16:39:27]

Juski:

not you Zider

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Zider:

oh

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Zider:

:)

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laga_:

Juski: wonder if the nick starts with an 'm'?

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** scopeuk promises he will be godo tonight ;-) **

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Juski:

hmmm

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Juski:

better be orf now – I have itchy feet... hometime

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Zider:

Juski: have fun

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laga_:

OT: what does the english expression "monkey see, monkey do" mean? like, repeating someone else's behaviour?

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scopeuk:

yes

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scopeuk:

emmulation usually dumb immatiation also group think

[16:41:36]

scopeuk:

depending on circumstance

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laga_:

thanks a lot

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Zider:

like kids in the mall ;)

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scopeuk:

where you pick that one up laga_?

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laga_:

scopeuk: just some kind of lottery where you have to provide the correct german translation for that phrase in order to win

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scopeuk:

gotcha

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Zider:

so you cheat by asking others? ;P

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scopeuk:

Zider how else does one pick upa translation of slang

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laga_:

i'm not cheating, i was just trying to get someone to prove my assumption ;)

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Zider:

scopeuk: ummm..

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laga_:

i don't have my favourite english native speaker handy so i thought i'd ask in here ;)

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Zider:

..

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Zider:

screw you guys, I'm going home.. :P

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kazan:

if i shoot the customer, will they go away?

[16:46:05]

Zider:

no.

[16:46:11]

Zider:

they will haunt you

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kazan:

dammit

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Zider:

(if they die)

[16:46:27]

kazan:

here is one for the "Stupid Expectations" file

[16:46:36]

scopeuk:

shoot him in the foot

[16:46:42]

Zider:

or knee

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laga_:

or nuts

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kazan:

we have a php/mysql app that accepts job applications for them, and people can attach artbitrary files in a resume field

[16:46:49]

Zider:

ow

[16:46:52]

scopeuk:

knee is a bti harsh

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Zider:

scopeuk: harder to walk.

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kazan:

someone attacked a .wps (which is as far as I can tell a Microsoft Works, yes they still make that, file)

[16:47:04]

scopeuk:

yes

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kazan:

the county wants a .doc

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adante:

say is there a complete or semi complete or sort of up to date list of themes anywhere?

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scopeuk:

adante good luck

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scopeuk:

what you lucking for?

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kazan:

and they cannot manage to install the converter filter into Word, even their IT guys are clueless

[16:47:35]

kazan:

they wanted to know if we could convert files to .doc when they were uploaded

[16:47:40]

adante:

and where can i obtain a copy of the project grayhem theme? the mythtvtalk website seems to 404

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xris:

adante: wiki is your best bet

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laga_:

adante: huh?

[16:47:49]

** kazan wanted to shoot them **

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scopeuk:

kazan convert with open office

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Zider:

kazan: people still use Word? :P

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adante:

laga_: mm?

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xris:

adante: if the site is down, bug juski when he comes back

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kazan:

Zider: county employee's

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kazan:

-'

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laga_:

adante: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/

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Zider:

kazan: ew

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** kazan works for a government contractor **

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adante:

laga_: when i click on the link for the 16:9 theme it 404s

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laga_:

adante: indeed. please mail support@mythtvtalk.com

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scopeuk:

project greyham is on juski.co.uk

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Zider:

kazan: I've seen some daft customers too.. been working with hardware service..

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scopeuk:

damn its lining to talk

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kazan:

Zider: nothing beats state employees

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kazan:

back to work

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Zider:

kazan: weel, I dunno.. had a broken pc turned in once.. with cooling paste on the cpu socket.. and none between cpu and cooler..

[16:52:27]

Zider:

took a while to clean that up..

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Zider:

and the "mouse doesn't work with dust cover on" customers do exist.. sadly enough..

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adante:

scopeuk: which redirects to mythtvtalk now

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Zider:

adante: I get 404 on the widescreen theme too

[16:56:29]

Zider:

the other works tho

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adante:

rats.. just got my new widescreen tv, i want to pimp it up with widescreen bling

[16:56:55]

Zider:

;)

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adante:

can anybody recommend another widescreen theme?

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Zider:

adante: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/tarb . . . 1.3c.tar.bz2

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Zider:

adante: it's an _ and not -

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Zider:

misnamed file or link, that's all

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adante:

thanks zider

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Zider:

np

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adante:

mmm screen went a bit odd then

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Zider:

hum

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xris:

laga_: so the new card works great for tv out, but I still can't play HD.. eats up all of my cpu, even though I should have plenty of power with a 2.4G p4

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mlehrer:

that is not "plenty" of power

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mlehrer:

an x2 3800 is the beginning of plenty, imo

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xris:

mlehrer: 2ghz should be fine

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xris:

esp. when using xvmc

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mlehrer:

a 2ghz amd maybe

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mlehrer:

meaning 3200+ :)

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xris:

oh? 2ghz is generally considered "enough"

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mlehrer:

what is the symptom you're having

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mlehrer:

apart from a pegged cpu

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xris:

jumpy

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xris:

cpu is mostly used up... thought that xvmc was supposed to offload a bunch of that.

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imperfect-:

yeah I've got a dual macbookpro

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imperfect-:

and it's 56% utilization on the cpus when watching HD

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imperfect-:

It's no joke.

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xris:

yeah. I may just have to give up on watching HD (not that my tv can play it back, anyway) until I can get a new frontend.

[17:20:31]

imperfect-:

I'm trying to figure out how to transcode it into something else.

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mlehrer:

myth has a processor optimization that helps but processing hi def is just a tough job

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mlehrer:

especially with a lame intel cpu

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mlehrer:

redundant, i realize

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xris:

myth's processor optimization is overrated

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xris:

imperfect-: nuvexport

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kormoc:

mlehrer, my 2.4 ghz p4, I was able to play 2 hd streams (1080i and 720p) and a sd stream (720x586 or whatever it is) at the same time perfectly

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Twiggy:

Hey I accidentally borked the IP for my mythbackend and now it just sits at a gray screen when starting, so I can't get back to the config to change the IP, how can I manually change this?

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purplefrog:

clueless question, is there any maintenance I should do to mysql? It appears to be consuming almost 1G in /var/lib. I didn't realize I had accumulated that much data already (1+ years of mythtv)

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xris:

purplefrog: optimize_mythdb.pl

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purplefrog:

twiggy, there's a /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt, is that what you want?

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Twiggy:

purplefrog: maybe, lemme check

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Twiggy:

that was one of them yes

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Twiggy:

now I need to get into mythsetup to change the IP of the backend, not just the mysql server

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Twiggy:

except mythsetup and mythfrontend won't start, it just sits there at that gray screen when X loads

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kormoc:

purplefrog, it could also be binary logs,

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kormoc:

purplefrog, grep log-bin /path/to/my.cnf

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purplefrog:

I'm not sure how to deal with binary logs. postgresql had a "vacuum". I don't know if mysql has something similar. log-bin does show up in my my.cnf

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xris:

I guess I'll try it this evening with fluxbox instead of gnome.

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kormoc:

purplefrog, well, to just wipe them (as I doubt you want them), rm /var/lib/mysql/*-bin.*

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kormoc:

purplefrog, and might want to just comment out the log-bin in your my.cnf (put a # in front of it) and restart mysql

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purplefrog:

really, there's no way to tell mysql "clean this up for me" ?

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kormoc:

as far as I know, nope

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purplefrog:

hmm, it (binary logging) is mentioned in the gentoo upgrade guide:

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purplefrog:

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/mysql-upgrading.xml

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psofa:

does mythbackend run as user mythtv by default? or it just runs as the user it launched it

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xris:

just the user

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psofa:

i keep getting the damn error about the nfslock file

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psofa:

even though the launching user owns it

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psofa:

rw

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kormoc:

purplefrog, sure, but keep in mind, every night, myth modifys a lot of data to update the listings, all of that gets tossed into the binary logs (every query and some extra info), and every time things get recorded and deleted, it adds up fast.

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kormoc:

purplefrog, they are useful if you want to say, recover a partly trashed database from a older backup, if they are good, but still, for a mythbox, they tend to be rather useless

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Servo888:

Why does mythtv now 'save' everything it records during playback?

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jams:

because the people demanded it

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Juski:

it expires after 24 hours by default, so no sweat

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purplefrog:

That sentence seems very vague. "everything" ?

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purplefrog:

"playback" ?

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Servo888:

How do I disable it?

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jams:

you cant

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Juski:

all shows you watch in livetv are recorded & kept for 24 hours

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MORA:

so you can end up with 24hours useless data ? :)

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jams:

hi Juski

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Juski:

hi jams

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Juski:

no – it's so we get users whining about it in here

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jams:

Servo888- if you need the space it will delete them

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purplefrog:

Actually, that seems pretty cool. I pretty much never watch livetv.

[17:44:25]

Servo888:

jams, it has crashed twice on me when it ran out of space...

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purplefrog:

I suppose I should find the menu items where you can save or delete one of those thingies. Wait, it's not in 0.18 is it?

[17:44:55]

purplefrog:

As for running out of space, I cheat by buying 300G seagate drives from Fry's for $90.

[17:45:32]

Juski:

manage recordings > delete recordings. bit of a no-brainer. or use the right arrow in the 'watch recordings' menu to bring up a menu to let you delete a show/shows

[17:46:12]

jams:

Servo888- then adjust the amount of free space that myth manages

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Servo888:

I don't want to have to delete recordings that I didn't want recorded...

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Servo888:

jams, hmmm

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Juski:

so quit whining & stop using mythtv then, or learn to code & fork it – start a nice long journey of discovery

[17:47:22]

Juski:

poor developers can't win. first the users moaned that the ringbuffer got cleared when they changed channel, now this :-/

[17:47:25]

Servo888:

wow you are not a people person...

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MORA:

would mythtv mind a cron removeing the files ?

[17:48:02]

Juski:

MORA: yes it would because the metadata would still be in the DB for every live tv show recorded

[17:48:07]

Servo888:

Well I would imagine you could have left an option or something so we could not have to save the recordings

[17:48:23]

MORA:

right :/

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jams:

Servo888- nothing personal but you are not the first to complain about it.

[17:48:47]

MORA:

does dvb-s subtitling work ?

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jams:

no, it was a major change. An option is not an option

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Juski:

MORA: I know DVB subtitles work – the proper MPEG2 subtitle stream ones – dunno about teletext subtitles though

[17:49:44]

jams:

my video dir is 20gb never once had a problem with it running out of space.

[17:49:51]

Juski:

lol

[17:49:53]

Twiggy:

anybody know what file stores the data that mythfrontend uses to connect to the backend?

[17:50:08]

MORA:

not sure which I use, going to try again over the weekend with svn

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Juski:

Twiggy: mysql.txt, stored in ~/.mythtv ?

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Twiggy:

Juski: thanks

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Juski:

mythfrontend queries the DB to find out where the backend lives

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purplefrog:

my video dir is 230G.

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kormoc:

162 out of 165 gigs here

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sapbeast:

/dev/sdb1 280G 245G 36G 88% /opt/storage2

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sapbeast:

getting a bit full... again

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jams:

bah 20GB is all you need!

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Juski:

I deleted over 300GB of stuff the other day

[17:54:05]

** kormoc thinks this is a good excuse to upgrade with 2x320 gig drives **

[17:54:16]

Juski:

took a couple of minutes to get all that space back on ext3

[17:54:34]

kormoc:

Juski, did you enable the dir_index?

[17:54:39]

Juski:

what's the best price per GB these days?

[17:54:57]

kormoc:

I find that the 320 gb sata wd's for $110 is the best value

[17:55:01]

Juski:

kormoc: I dunno. I installed it about18 months ago following the gentoo install manual

[17:55:14]

sapbeast:

i paid $105 for my new 300gb sata2 ncq seagate

[17:55:32]

kormoc:

Juski, likely not then, sometime when you have a few minutes to spare of downtime and I'm around, I'll go over how to enable it. it's worth it

[17:55:36]

mlehrer:

250 ide for $65

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mlehrer:

the seagate one is 71

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Juski:

kormoc: I think I'd have to back everything up then re-do the mke2fs, or am I barking up the wrong tree?

[17:57:08]

kormoc:

Juski, not at all, you just can't have it mounted

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Juski:

ahhh

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sapbeast:

you can enable dir_index on an existing filesystem

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sapbeast:

with tune2fs

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Juski:

I'll have a look at my upcoming recording schedule then

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kormoc:

Juski, tune2fs -O dir_index /dev/hdx1

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Juski:

cool

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Juski:

thanks

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sapbeast:

i dont know if it really helps with large files though, my understanding is that dir_index speeds up small files

[17:58:04]

sapbeast:

i.e. say your gentoo portage tree

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Juski:

I have between 9pm and 11.30pm

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Juski:

does it take long?

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kormoc:

and then fsck it with a specific option to force the rebuild of the index

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sapbeast:

well i crated my myth storage fs using -T largefile

[17:58:51]

Juski:

I need to clean the portage cache out – doing a sync is taking waaaay too damn long these days

[17:58:53]

sapbeast:

so its "sparse inodes"

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kormoc:

ahh, fair nuff

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kormoc:

sapbeast, in my tests, it does shave a little bit of time off of deletes, so it can't hurt him to enable it

[17:59:39]

sapbeast:

well yeah its not hurtful to use it these days

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Juski:

all said & done I'm never in much of a rush

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sapbeast:

i use it by default... i have little faith in reiserfs personally for any of my filesystems

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Juski:

heard some proper horror stories about various fs after power-cuts

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sapbeast:

reiserfs 3.x is poor because it only has ONE superblock

[18:00:52]

sapbeast:

if anything happens to that, your in deep trouble

[18:01:22]

Juski:

bastard schedulers.. I keep getting duplicate recordings and I've figured out why.. bloody descriptions are always different

[18:01:50]

Juski:

I'll have to look into how easy it'd be to make the description matching a bit fuzzy

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Tobbe:

I'm thinking about formating and reinstalling Ubuntu + MythTV on my machine. Any thoughts on choosing Breezy or Dabber, 32bit or 64bit? Specs: AMD 64 3200+, 512MB ram, GeForceFX 5500

[18:04:12]

sapbeast:

64-bit support is pretty good lately i imagine?

[18:04:25]

Juski:

what's making you think of reinstalling? a bit drastic isn't it?

[18:04:30]

mlehrer:

i haven't tried it much, but i've been disappointed with 64 bit

[18:04:34]

mlehrer:

at least for media stuff

[18:05:28]

Tobbe:

Juski: The install I have now (64bit Breezy) was my first install ever, it's all a big mess.

[18:05:42]

laga_:

Juski: in mythweb, you can choose how the scheduler should match for duplicates – set it to "title" instead of "title & description"

[18:05:43]

Juski:

ah I get ya

[18:05:44]

sapbeast:

must depend on the distro then

[18:05:53]

Tobbe:

And I also need to upgrade the ivtv driver so I don't loose my remote all the time...

[18:06:04]

Juski:

laga_: that'd mean I'd miss new episodes though wouldn't it?

[18:06:14]

laga_:

Juski: uh, it wouldn'

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Juski:

these shows don't often come with subtitles

[18:06:32]

laga_:

Juski: oh. humm. yeah, i meant "subtitle" ;)

[18:06:59]

mmead:

anyone know how to get verbose error reporting out of mythtranscode?

[18:07:07]

laga_:

mmead: --verbose all?

[18:07:15]

mmead:

laga_: when starting backend?

[18:07:17]

Juski:

and I get a lot of " The Mythbusters, two special effects experts, set out to verify urban legends by applying modern-day science."

[18:07:25]

Juski:

fat lot of damn good that is ^^

[18:07:52]

Juski:

mmead: no – when starting mythtranscode

[18:08:02]

Juski:

I think...

[18:08:04]

RaYmAn-Bx:

mythbusters just plain rule :)

[18:08:14]

mmead:

mythtranscode (lossless mpeg2) seems to work perfectly for my ivtv recordings, but about 50% failure rate on HDTV captures and firewire SD captures

[18:08:23]

mmead:

Juski: is there a way to have the backend start it with those flags?

[18:08:30]

Juski:

mmead: I dunno

[18:08:34]

mmead:

thx

[18:08:47]

Juski:

you could make a user job though

[18:10:30]

mmead:

hmm

[18:10:38]

mmead:

maybe I can figure out how it all works and run it by hand to see what's happening

[18:10:55]

mmead:

I assume once mythbackend detects rows in the transcode table (or whatever), it launches mythtranscode

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Tobbe:

what's the recomended nVidia driver these days? the 0.19 release notes says 7676, but the XvMC page says 8756

[18:18:15]

mmead:

Tobbe: depends on a number of things

[18:18:17]

mmead:

Tobbe: what kernel?

[18:19:00]

Tobbe:

none yet ;) will get the latest available when I've decided if I'm going with Ubuntu Breezy or Ubuntu Dapper

[18:21:21]

sapbeast:

something about vsync issues being broken in older drivers

[18:21:56]

Tobbe:

mmead: looks like 2.6.11

[18:22:38]

purplefrog:

All modern nvidia drivers are broke on my old Dell laptop. I can't get them to make the svideo output work.

[18:23:01]

mmead:

Tobbe: I have heard that 7676 or 7174 work well, but they will not work with a 2.6.16 kernel

[18:23:09]

mmead:

Tobbe: 8756 is working reasonably well for me with 2.6.15.1

[18:23:30]

Tobbe:

ok, thanks

[18:24:59]

mmead:

Tobbe: I have a 6200 though, which isn't a very good card for myth

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kormoc:

mmead, why isn't it a good myth card?

[18:27:37]

mmead:

kormoc: it has issues with 8x agp

[18:27:52]

kormoc:

mmead, only with via chipsets...

[18:28:05]

mmead:

kormoc: xvmc is still not working well with nvidia drivers

[18:28:08]

kormoc:

mmead, I'm running my 6200 perfectly fine on 8x agp...

[18:28:20]

kormoc:

mmead, working fine here... again doesn't work well with via chipsets...

[18:28:33]

mmead:

kormoc: hmm, interesting... thanks for the clarification

[18:29:14]

kormoc:

Tobbe, I'm using 8756 quite fine with myth, I'd go with that if I was you

[18:29:36]

kormoc:

mmead, we went over this awhile ago, but I guess you forgot :P

[18:29:42]

mmead:

kormoc: I guess so

[18:29:50]

mmead:

kormoc: have a lot on my mind

[18:30:29]

kormoc:

mmead, in reguards to mythtranscode and HDTV, it's a bit flaky, xris thinks it's the main reason why nuvexport can't export 1080i videos.

[18:30:33]

mmead:

kormoc: I need to find a 5200 that will properly scale 1920x1080 to 800x600 with XV

[18:30:44]

mmead:

kormoc: hmm, interesting

[18:31:06]

mmead:

kormoc: it's all been 1080i content I've been trying to chop the beginning / end promos off (INHD 2)

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mmead:

kormoc: unfortunately, there is no motherboard out there that has 5 pci slots, two pata controllers, an agp slot, 2 sata controllers, a socket 939 and non-via chipset :/

[18:33:10]

sapbeast:

pci slots are beginning to dwindle in popularity

[18:33:15]

mmead:

yah

[18:33:18]

sapbeast:

i still remember the abit kt7 with the glorius 6 slots

[18:34:01]

sapbeast:

it doesnt help some modern video cards also take 2 slots

[18:34:12]

mmead:

heh

[18:34:30]

Juski:

heh I still have my kt7

[18:34:31]

Tobbe:

kormoc: ok, I'll try that then :)

[18:34:44]

mmead:

well, since I have two OTA hd tuners, a firewire card a PVR-350 and an extra ethernet card, I sorta need a lot of PCI slots

[18:35:10]

Juski:

since the kt7 of mine has had its caps renewed it's going great guns

[18:35:34]

kormoc:

mmead, yeah, tho you sure you need all 5 pci slots?

[18:35:52]

Juski:

if you run separate boxen, it should be easy to make up a backend out of older components with all the slots you need

[18:35:52]

mmead:

kormoc: I just listed 5 PCI cards :)

[18:35:52]

kormoc:

mmead, ooh, well, what about a mobo with dual onboard lans?

[18:36:05]

mmead:

kormoc: yeah, that's possible – how common are they – I've not looked

[18:36:19]

sapbeast:

well also getting into heavily integrated boards you save yourself that hassle

[18:36:21]

kormoc:

they are semi-common

[18:36:27]

Juski:

there are plenty around.. dual gigabit LAN

[18:36:27]

laga_:

i wonder if i should get the english cable plan from my provider. is BBC prime worth paying for?

[18:36:32]

mmead:

Juski: yeah, I thought about making the athlon64 a fe and making the old athlon xp a b

[18:36:33]

sapbeast:

mainboards with gb ethernet, 4 sata ports are common

[18:36:36]

sapbeast:

at least now

[18:36:45]

Juski:

laga_: dunno – if you don't get 'the office' it'll be worth it I guess

[18:36:46]

kormoc:

mmead, also with intigrated firewire, you're down to 3 cards

[18:36:51]

mmead:

kormoc: right

[18:37:05]

laga_:

Juski: heh

[18:37:07]

mmead:

kormoc: I could easily split to separate be and fe and not buy anything new

[18:37:08]

sapbeast:

sound is still a nagging issue, for audiophiles the onboard plain does not bode well

[18:37:17]

mmead:

yeah, I'm currently using onboard

[18:37:19]

Juski:

no guarantees the integrated firewire would be any good though

[18:37:22]

sapbeast:

even "high quality" onboard sound is iffy because of noise

[18:37:26]

mmead:

Juski: don't I know that one for sure :)

[18:37:29]

mmead:

sapbeast: yep

[18:37:37]

mmead:

sapbeast: and I want to move to 5.1 analog out

[18:37:37]

Juski:

for audiophiles the only way is digital with a good amp

[18:37:53]

sapbeast:

well even analog you need a decent soundcoard

[18:37:57]

sapbeast:

or SOME soundcard

[18:37:57]

mmead:

in my testing my Griffin iMic has as low noise floor as a digital connection

[18:38:05]

mmead:

my amp does not have digital input

[18:38:10]

sapbeast:

my onboard sound in my mythbox has an awful background noise if you turn it up

[18:38:11]

mmead:

damn nice amp, but it's 10 years old

[18:38:23]

Juski:

my last amp didn't have digital input either

[18:38:30]

mmead:

used to have an external AC3 decoder, but it died a few years ago

[18:38:35]

Juski:

nor was it the right colour

[18:38:39]

mmead:

heh

[18:38:39]

sapbeast:

some of the best amps are probably older than i am

[18:38:45]

mmead:

all of my crap is in a closet

[18:38:58]

mmead:

speakers, IR remote sender, projector and screen are the only things in the finished space

[18:39:09]

Juski:

thing is – consider what you're saying – real audiophiles don't have any truck with digital audio anyway ;-)

[18:39:46]

sapbeast:

well you still need a basic standard in sound quality... even the non-audiophile will notice bad background noise on crappy onboard

[18:39:55]

mmead:

sapbeast: might to with usb

[18:39:59]

mmead:

sapbeast: s/to/go/

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sapbeast:

which is barely -40dB on most onboard cards

[18:40:11]

sapbeast:

yeah usb isnt a bad idea as long as its supported

[18:40:24]

mmead:

sapbeast: I'm not sure if the one I've found out about is

[18:40:24]

Juski:

I remember when CD came out – loads of luddites complained about it only being 16-bit. Little did they realise that their beloved Radio3 was transferred round the UK on a 12 bit link

[18:40:28]

mmead:

sapbeast: it works well on mac os x :)

[18:40:37]

mmead:

Juski: hehe

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sapbeast:

16-bit is 90dB SNR... unless you want to go deaf they need to grow a brain

[18:41:11]

kormoc:

mmead, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813130484

[18:41:24]

Juski:

most TV never exceeds 30dB dynamic range anyway

[18:41:37]

Juski:

just about the only thing that does is DTS

[18:41:41]

kormoc:

mmead, would need to do some research on the firewire/lans, but if that would work, it should work quite well

[18:41:41]

sapbeast:

24-bit is something absurd like 140dB SNR so to use it to its full potential you risk hearing damage

[18:42:12]

Juski:

sapbeast: not to mention the heavy duty amp & speaker combo you'd need to produce 140dBA

[18:42:15]

mmead:

kormoc: hmm, thanks

[18:42:21]

mmead:

kormoc: would have to buy a pcie video card

[18:42:39]

Juski:

you'd prolly not have any space left in the room for a TV at any rate ;)

[18:42:40]

kormoc:

yeah, but they can be quite cheap, and then you can be sure it will work as well

[18:42:54]

sapbeast:

Juski: i truly believe that 16-bit is enough unless your mastering a big production

[18:43:04]

Juski:

course it is

[18:43:12]

mmead:

kormoc: pcie cards are cheaper than agp these days?

[18:43:15]

Juski:

all this 192khz shit is just a way to shift more boxen

[18:43:34]

kormoc:

mmead, let me link you a good one

[18:43:35]

sapbeast:

192khz is excessive also... but 96khz does have some advantage over 44khz for higher frequencies

[18:43:41]

sapbeast:

but not *much*

[18:43:47]

Juski:

SACD is nice, but not worth the expense IMHO

[18:43:56]

mmead:

Juski: I actually have SACD

[18:44:03]

sapbeast:

SACD is really just a way to make people re-buy the same music

[18:44:18]

mmead:

Juski: when looking for a DVD player with AC3/DTS decoders, the sony changer with SACD capability wasn't much more expensive than others I was looking at, so I got it

[18:44:22]

Juski:

if you're over 20 and you've experienced loud music, kiss goodbye to > 16kHz

[18:44:28]

mmead:

Juski: I just got Mussorgsky Pictures at an Exhibition and it is amazing

[18:44:34]

mmead:

Juski: no kidding

[18:44:35]

kormoc:

mmead, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130006

[18:44:44]

sapbeast:

Juski: what? i cant hear you? could you speak up?

[18:44:48]

kormoc:

mmead, if you don't mind turbocache, it uses main system ram for the gpu ram

[18:44:52]

mmead:

Juski: every few years I do slow sweeps to figure it out...

[18:45:00]

Juski:

I'm good to about 14k now

[18:45:00]

mmead:

Juski: I can not hear much above 18k

[18:45:08]

mmead:

Juski: 16k-18k is a bit weak

[18:45:27]

Juski:

I dunno if that's customers yelling in my ears or the loud musak to blame ;-)

[18:45:36]

mmead:

Juski: of course, with the sudden hearing loss I recently had in one ear (think it's from a viral infection I had), I'm not so concerned about >18k being poor

[18:45:41]

sapbeast:

i havent had my hearing tested lately... im not sure what state it is in

[18:45:46]

mmead:

now I'm just trying to figure out if I have to start converting everything to mono to enjoy it

[18:46:12]

Juski:

poor kids I know from a clubbing messageboard are starting to have tinittus problems – and they're only like 19 – 20 years old

[18:46:18]

kormoc:

mmead, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130266 or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814121014 for a full fledged standard pci-e card

[18:46:46]

mmead:

the tinitus I have is pretty bad

[18:46:51]

mmead:

that's the worst part

[18:46:58]

mmead:

I could cope with the amount of loss >=4k

[18:46:59]

Juski:

and mp3 player owners – forget about any pretentions to having preferences about audio quality

[18:46:59]

kormoc:

mmead, so you can look at say $30 to $65 or so for a pci-e card, I consider that rather cheap :)

[18:47:00]

laga_:

tinitus sucks :/

[18:47:07]

mmead:

but the tinitus makes *EVERYTHING* fatiguing to listen to

[18:47:13]

mmead:

kormoc: yes, that is very cheap

[18:47:20]

** Juski blames trance music for everything **

[18:47:26]

mmead:

kormoc: looking at your links

[18:47:27]

sapbeast:

thats why i use headphones alot, i rarely use speakers

[18:47:28]

laga_:

thanks god mine isn't that bad – especially after i got good hearing protection for that manowar concert ;)

[18:47:52]

sapbeast:

seeing how at 0dB the soundcard wont exceed 0.7 or whatever volts... it wont make me go deaf by design

[18:48:03]

Juski:

sad thing is, a lot of people like music to knock the air out of their lungs – including me

[18:48:09]

sapbeast:

and earbuds are the invention of satan

[18:48:19]

mmead:

When I do use a player I use Etymotic ER6is

[18:48:22]

Juski:

sapbeast: heh. especially those white ones

[18:48:24]

mmead:

and I usually stick to <33% volume on the ipod

[18:48:33]

mmead:

with the isolation more volume is not necessary

[18:48:37]

Juski:

the ones that have "rob me now!" written on them

[18:49:38]

mmead:

unfortunately my ER6is are white cord rob me now

[18:49:50]

Juski:

just go the whole hog like me & adopt the twattish look with Beyerdynamic DT110s

[18:49:59]

sapbeast:

where i live thats not neessarily an issue, but i still hate the headphones with my ipod

[18:50:13]

sapbeast:

as such i use my nice $100 over the ear enclosed type instead

[18:50:23]

** Juski has yet to find a pair of earbuds that fit his tiny, tiny impish ears **

[18:50:42]

sapbeast:

they just arent bloody comfortable thats my issue with them... let alone they are a quick way to hearing loss

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Juski:

many pairs fit, but only at 90 degrees attitude, so I end up looking a right twat anyway :-P

[18:51:20]

mmead:

kormoc: it looks like ram is what makes these cost differently

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mmead:

kormoc: would you recommend 7300, 6500, or 6200 PCIe to work best with myth

[18:52:05]

sapbeast:

better than side talking nokia n-gage

[18:52:06]

mmead:

kormoc: ?

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** Juski sounds a loud klaxxon type siren. someone said "thanks" on the forum!!!!! **

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kormoc:

mmead, they all should work well, but the 7300 would work the best.

[18:52:59]

mmead:

kormoc: because?

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mmead:

kormoc: bigger number works better? ;)

[18:53:20]

Juski:

at least Mac users have it easy

[18:53:26]

kormoc:

mmead, better gpu engine means that it can offload more hd load from the proc, in theory :)

[18:53:31]

mmead:

kormoc: ahh

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mmead:

Juski: we do?

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Juski:

fast RAM helps hdtv decoding too apparently

[18:54:11]

mmead:

that wouldn't surprise me

[18:54:20]

kormoc:

mmead, TC cards (Turbo Cache) do use up system ram, so if you really want to handle HD, you likely shouldn't get one of them, but it might not really help out *too* much

[18:54:21]

Juski:

mmead: yeh – try upgradifying an Imac GPU.. or a Mac mini...

[18:54:25]

mmead:

I think also that bad interaction between chipset, video card, and nvidia driver helps HD decoding :)

[18:54:42]

mmead:

Juski: yep

[18:54:45]

Juski:

you can't just use _any_ ole video card in other apple gear either can you?

[18:54:50]

Juski:

(or can you?)

[18:55:02]

sapbeast:

turbocache is fairly undesirable

[18:55:07]

mmead:

Juski: I think you had to pick mac versions of things

[18:55:08]

kormoc:

Juski, sadly you can't

[18:55:14]

Juski:

I think sometimes less choice is better

[18:55:25]

mmead:

Juski: given how macs tend to hold resale... just sell it and upgrade

[18:55:30]

mmead:

Juski: sometimes it is

[18:56:02]

mmead:

I bought a G4 mini last year... that's the shortest term computer purchase I've ever made

[18:56:12]

mmead:

however, it did a lot of things very well in that year, and it "just worked"

[18:56:19]

mmead:

I replaced it with an intel mini, and it's now doing that and more

[18:56:21]

Juski:

I keep looking at stuff, to try & figure out what I'm gonna do with my next upgrade – and it just blows my mind how much choice there is – and I'm damned if I know what most of the options really offer

[18:56:50]

Juski:

all the core names, chipsets, SLi-this-whatever...

[18:57:03]

Juski:

just gimme what I got now, only faster man

[18:57:22]

mmead:

the intel mini transcodes to 1500Kbit mpeg4 at 65fps

[18:57:41]

Juski:

that's pretty fast

[18:57:45]

mmead:

yes

[18:57:48]

mmead:

surprised me

[18:58:06]

sapbeast:

i almost bought a mac mini when they came out, but balked at the time because of upgradability

[18:58:11]

mmead:

but it's in a whole other cost world than putting together your own athlon x2 system

[18:58:15]

mmead:

athlon 64 x2

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sapbeast:

and probably a godo thing because of the intel switch

[18:58:48]

mmead:

sapbeast: my mom really needed something new to replace her ubuntu 800mhz amd desktop, so it got handed down – she's really happy with the mini

[18:59:21]

sapbeast:

not saying its crummy hardware, actually quite good and compact

[18:59:23]

mmead:

kormoc: got me wanting to drop $200 on this

[18:59:33]

mmead:

sapbeast: yeah, I know – just not easily upgraded

[18:59:54]

mmead:

sapbeast: you won't offend me if you think it is crummy :) to each their own

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Juski:

mmm I got me some bits to make that VGA-SCART thing I've been promising to build

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kormoc:

mmead, heh, yeah, I tend to do that at times.

[19:02:14]

Juski:

I hope a bc184 is a good step-in for a bc548

[19:02:39]

laga_:

i just got that bc548

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mmead:

kormoc: I'd feel ok about it if I hadn't just dropped $300 on what I have now

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mmead:

kormoc: as long as I switch to linear blend for the 1080i streams that cause me occasional headaches, I seem to be at a stable place, so I'm kind of wanting to JUST LEAVE IT ALONE for a few months :)

[19:03:52]

kormoc:

heh, yeah, fair nuff

[19:04:20]

mmead:

I am moving the video dir to a SATA drive and setting up more space on the existing LVM to make it a raid1 mirror

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Juski:

mirror, mirror (splattered) on the wall.. why did you to spoil all my data?!?!?!

[19:08:00]

mmead:

they are running some very cheesy 80s/90s movies on INHD2 in 1080i ... they look good, but I find myself questioning if they are just a reasonably good upconvert of a dvd transfer or a retransfer to HD

[19:13:36]

Juski:

mmead: who cares if they look good?

[19:13:39]

Juski:

;-)

[19:13:45]

mmead:

Juski: heh

[19:14:00]

mmead:

Juski: some are interesting because I liked them when I was a kid, when I had kid's taste in movies

[19:14:14]

Juski:

what kind of movies? like 'explorers' & stuff?

[19:14:20]

mmead:

mannequin

[19:14:25]

mmead:

max dugan returns

[19:14:31]

Juski:

who?

[19:14:31]

mmead:

freejack

[19:14:36]

mmead:

dark city

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mmead:

oops, dark city is S

[19:14:42]

mmead:

S

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mmead:

SD

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kormoc:

dark city?

[19:15:19]

Juski:

I remember going to see Darkman2 – that had 'TVM' written all over it, from the plot right down to the quality of the chromakeying

[19:15:34]

kormoc:

dark city is like from 1998 or so

[19:15:43]

mmead:

kormoc: yeah, I said 80s/90s :)

[19:15:53]

Juski:

can't say I've heard of dark city

[19:16:03]

mmead:

it's basically the original matrix :)

[19:16:09]

kormoc:

mmead, ooh, I saw the kid part, figured you were a bit older then that :)

[19:16:13]

mmead:

kormoc: ahh

[19:16:22]

mmead:

kormoc: every year up until my latest I was a "kid" I guess

[19:16:27]

mmead:

I suppose I was older when I watched that one

[19:16:29]

kormoc:

Juski, it's a good movie, it's worth renting

[19:16:35]

mmead:

definitely

[19:16:49]

Juski:

I'll look into it – long time since we rented

[19:17:10]

Juski:

oops I tell a lie – rented Kpax a while ago

[19:17:30]

mmead:

man is ipsec difficult to get going

[19:17:47]

sapbeast:

damn straight it is

[19:18:24]

sapbeast:

even on windoze there is a decent amount of work involved to get a basic setup operating

[19:18:34]

mmead:

Mac OS X doesn't seem to do anything but transport mode with its default gui

[19:18:44]

mmead:

which is not secure with nat traversal

[19:18:49]

mmead:

thinking of throwing in the towel and using openvpn

[19:19:00]

sapbeast:

for doing what? remote access?

[19:19:19]

sapbeast:

right now im using vnc over ssh, quite secure

[19:19:27]

mmead:

need to get roadwarrior access to some specific public (but DMZed) and private address space

[19:19:41]

mmead:

not practical to open TONS of holes in the firewall

[19:19:45]

Juski:

heh if the US military can't be arsed to use ipsec ;-)

[19:19:45]

mmead:

think 50+ ports per box

[19:20:08]

sapbeast:

not a very good piece of software then :p

[19:20:12]

mmead:

thought of building a public key enabled firewall editor for handling it, but it's just too much effort

[19:20:40]

mmead:

sapbeast: well, this is for a lot of testing effort – think 5–10 installs of particular software in different configurations to test interoperability on large scale where the different pieces must talk to one another

[19:21:02]

sapbeast:

yikes

[19:22:30]

mmead:

sapbeast: do you have ipsec working?

[19:22:56]

sapbeast:

no ive had to set it up for a few test beds before but not really anything production

[19:23:02]

sapbeast:

its not simple to say the least

[19:23:05]

mmead:

no

[19:23:08]

Juski:

oh bugger – no 68R resistors :-/

[19:23:09]

laga_:

anyone using mytharchive? how the fsck do i select a recording there?

[19:23:10]

sapbeast:

cos its a layer 3 encryption

[19:23:47]

sapbeast:

mmead: dont know if i can pm you

[19:23:51]

mmead:

sapbeast: ok

[19:24:05]

mmead:

sapbeast: curious if you know how to dump packets coming in via ipsec – what interface would you use?

[19:24:30]

sapbeast:

oh jeez... it would just all show up as ipsec traffic, complete gibberish if you are monitoring it

[19:24:34]

sapbeast:

like in ethereal or such

[19:24:48]

mmead:

sapbeast: but the packets have to get dropped somewhere, no?

[19:24:55]

mmead:

sapbeast: if the vpn endpoint is routing to a subnet?

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sapbeast:

oh its sending packets but because its layer 3 its means running it through a vpn or nat is extra difficult at best

[19:25:39]

sapbeast:

since its in a layer above tcp/ip

[19:25:45]

mmead:

right

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mmead:

so my vpn endpoint routing packets into the subnet should drop them on the wire somewhere

[19:26:20]

sapbeast:

yeah... i think it would point it to the mac or something at least

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sapbeast:

you can see the packets if thats what you mean, just they will all be labelled ipsec in ethereal and not much more

[19:27:45]

mmead:

sapbeast: doesn't ipsec on the endpoint unwrap the tunneled packets and then route them onto local interfaces as appropriate?

[19:29:11]

mmead:

aha

[19:29:39]

sapbeast:

yeah its all wrapped until it gets to the ipsec service

[19:29:54]

sapbeast:

good for encrypting everything down the line but a real pain to setup

[19:30:05]

mmead:

definite pain

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mmead:

and it looks to me like the implementors wanted to use it as a way to "force" the world to go to ipv6

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sapbeast:

uhhhh well just setting up the basic exchange taskes a bit of configuration, at least in windows ipsec

[19:31:28]

sapbeast:

quite a few boxes to tick and settings to adjust

[19:31:32]

mmead:

yeah, that will be my next task

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sapbeast:

i imagine there is a howto somewhere

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Juski:

aha! got some 75R SMT resistors – they'll do

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Juski:

evening Coume :)

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Coume:

hi all

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laga_:

Juski: BTW, the download link ot mythcenter-wide is 404

[19:37:04]

Coume:

evening Juski aka the designer :)

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Coume:

hiya laga_

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Juski:

hey what can I say- I'm good with crayola ;)

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** Coume wonders how long NTL will let him connected today... **

[19:38:14]

** scopeuk thinks not long if ntls normal offering is anything to go by **

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scopeuk:

i ma long term victim too

[19:38:32]

Juski:

no complaints about NTL here

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Coume:

scopeuk, eheh

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Coume:

everything was fine since july... but for a week, it has been hell :(

[19:38:55]

Juski:

my dad just swapped to Talk Talk – now he can only get half the internet or less

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scopeuk:

Juski mine will be fine for weks then the dns server /dhcp server/ my modem die and its screwwed for a cupple f weeks

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scopeuk:

my grandpearents are thinking of getting talk talk

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scopeuk:

Juski you tried putting him on a public proxy /dns server

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Juski:

nah

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scopeuk:

whould probably fix it

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Juski:

got as far as 'open firefox.. look in 'tools' '... lost

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scopeuk:

lol fair point

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Juski:

not that I can get him to use firefox

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scopeuk:

think you could talk him thoruhg a vnc server install ;-)

[19:40:10]

mchou:

xris: how the pci fx5200 working out?

[19:40:27]

Juski:

scopeuk: don't even go there. I have little enough life as it is

[19:40:39]

scopeuk:

heh i have opera as my default then firefox under it on my start menu then there is internt explorer some where further down yet anyone else that uses my pc zoom striaght to ie

[19:41:09]

Juski:

start menu? rofl

[19:41:18]

scopeuk:

yes im a windows user primerily

[19:41:23]

simcop2387:

well if this works i'll be creating a cool perlscript that will show me recordings on my zaurus and let me watch them

[19:41:24]

scopeuk:

linux does server tasks around here

[19:41:38]

scopeuk:

simcop2387 let us knwo hwo it goes

[19:41:50]

Coume:

for me it does everything for several years now

[19:41:58]

scopeuk:

yeh

[19:42:09]

scopeuk:

unfurtuantely im too addicted to gaming and its jsut easier under windows

[19:42:26]

simcop2387:

scopeuk: right now i'm encoding the video into mpeg2 (seems to work) with 150kbit video and 64kbit mp2 audio

[19:42:30]

scopeuk:

i have a few with full linux suppor t but the nvidia drivers are a sod to install on the other side of my dual boot

[19:42:46]

Coume:

eheh fair point. I have never been a gamer...

[19:43:09]

Coume:

i'm lying there! I loved day of tentacles and argh what was the name...

[19:43:45]

** laga_ is currently watching ffmpeg resizing his recording from 480x576 to 720x576. stupid DVD resolutions. **

[19:43:46]

simcop2387:

scopeuk: at the moment i'm having problems with mplayer on the zaurus

[19:43:48]

Juski:

I played counterstrike a while ago. didn't get far for a load of scousers yelling "noob" & killing everyone

[19:44:04]

mmead:

COD2 is fun

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Coume:

the first game on 2CDs with people filmed and lots of tricky things to solved...

[19:44:16]

scopeuk:

im on bf2 coutner strik source and ut2004 atm

[19:44:31]

scopeuk:

Juski counterstrike never changes

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laga_:

Juski: cheat0r!

[19:44:38]

scopeuk:

althoguh its mroe likely to be a 12 year old atm

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scopeuk:

with his 1337 h4x0r tools

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laga_:

heh

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scopeuk:

that let him see thorough walls in coutnerstrike

[19:45:04]

scopeuk:

liek anyone gives a damn rearly

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scopeuk:

they need toat to pick themselfs up they rearly orta get a life

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laga_:

on lan parties, we sometimes used to play with nifty hacks, like auto aim and transparent walls. and i still lost :/

[19:45:30]

scopeuk:

heh

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scopeuk:

aim bots are entertainign on lan

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laga_:

yeah. they should get a GF or something

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laga_:

scopeuk: especially if you're getting caught. heh

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Juski:

or an STD..

[19:45:55]

scopeuk:

heh

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scopeuk:

any one track the ut2004 seene?

[19:46:19]

scopeuk:

one of my friends got caught with an aim bot and some how managed to make front page on clanbase

[19:46:29]

laga_:

your friend is a moron

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Coume:

lol

[19:46:36]

scopeuk:

yup

[19:46:47]

scopeuk:

he protested his innocence for months/year

[19:46:51]

scopeuk:

we still dont belive him

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Juski:

som3b0dy sp00f3d my 1p !

[19:47:15]

scopeuk:

the story goes "some old ex clan leader (banned for hax) added me on msn sent it over and told me to have a look

[19:47:19]

** Coume wonders what is a aim bot... **

[19:47:33]

Juski:

sounds like a gay sex practice

[19:47:39]

scopeuk:

Coume a tool that makes twats thing there cool

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Coume:

lol scopeuk got it :)

[19:48:03]

simcop2387:

holyshit

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simcop2387:

its working!

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eiggirC_:

simcop2387: BACKUP ! NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111

[19:49:03]

simcop2387:

i'm watching stargate on my zaurus

[19:49:15]

eiggirC_:

bastard

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eiggirC_:

*envy*

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Juski:

if mythtv ever gets audio events, the first sound it ever plays should be "it's aliiiiiiiiiiive! it's aliiiiiiiiiiiiiive!!"

[19:49:29]

eiggirC_:

I have a palm TX that can play xvid/divx

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simcop2387:

with NO WIRES other than the headphones

[19:49:31]

laga_:

no.

[19:49:41]

laga_:

"it's aliiiiiiiiive, dr. frankenstein!"

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eiggirC_:

simcop2387: hahah I have wireless headphones too

[19:49:57]

scopeuk:

i was thinking "wtf it works?"

[19:50:05]

scopeuk:

pehaps jsut me

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simcop2387:

eiggirC_: my zaurus doesn't have bluetooth

[19:50:43]

eiggirC_:

simcop2387: my plm doesn't have a mythfrontend :)

[19:50:57]

Juski:

wooo – those 0805 resistors are tricky to place with no tweezers

[19:50:58]

simcop2387:

eiggirC_: neither does my zaurus, i'm using mencoder ATM

[19:51:21]

eiggirC_:

simcop2387: fjear :) Logitech wireless headphones are COOL.... $200 NZ though

[19:51:25]

eiggirC_:

they have a transmitter too

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simcop2387:

i need to make an interface through mythtranscode

[19:51:31]

scopeuk:

now if only i could aford mencoder i could start saving for the pda ;-)

[19:51:34]

Juski:

Coume: just FYI I've made a few serial lirc receivers

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simcop2387:

scopeuk: mencoder is free

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Juski:

also – am making a couple of VGA-SCart thingies

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scopeuk:

simcop2387 im aware of that hence the ;-)

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Coume:

Juski, really?

[19:52:21]

Juski:

yups

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simcop2387:

eiggirC_: doing that would be MORE to carry than my $2 earbuds

[19:52:33]

scopeuk:

Juski let me know hwo that goes its somethign id consider making over summer

[19:52:53]

simcop2387:

will mythtranscode do mpeg2 and mp2 audio output?

[19:53:00]

Juski:

scopeuk: I could let you buy one from my ebay shawp

[19:53:16]

Coume:

Juski, if you put some on ebay, let me know :) I will need one for my pundit and I have nothing in the UK to create one myself...

[19:53:18]

Juski:

or I'll do you a deal – print me out a couple of banners

[19:53:26]

scopeuk:

lol

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scopeuk:

i told you if i coudl i whould

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Juski:

I think 4 a3 prints should do it

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scopeuk:

hmm

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** scopeuk thinks devious thoughts **

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Juski:

might take a while though – that stupid damn printspooler at work is ridiculous!

[19:54:41]

scopeuk:

heh

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Coume:

4 a3 might do something bigger than the stand :)

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scopeuk:

i foudn that when facign it deadliens being the onyl guy in the school that knwos how to jump the printer que is handy

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Juski:

may as well be a fscking serial connection

[19:55:36]

Juski:

oh no – I know how to jump the queue, it's just so damn sloooow

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scopeuk:

yeh

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scopeuk:

i jsut foudn that being able to go after 1 side is far better than goign after someone pritns 1/2a ream

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mchou:

simcop2387: how long does 1 battery charge last on your zaurus?

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mchou:

simcop2387: looking for an average lifespan/charge......

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scopeuk:

mchou exscusemy stupidity btua quick ebay search turned up 5 diferent modals

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mchou:

scopeuk: that's why I asked simcop2387 for HIS zaurus

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scopeuk:

fair enough

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maniacxs:

hi, is paulh, coding the mytharchive code sometimes here?

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Juski:

maniacxs: can't say I remember ever seeing him here

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kormoc:

!seen paulh

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MythLogBot:

paulh has not been seen here

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xris:

maniacxs: sometimes (rare) in #mythtv

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maniacxs:

hm would be nice to contact him some way before opening bug ...

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xris:

maniacxs: email, or on the mailing list

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maniacxs:

xris: good idea ... ;)

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mchou:

xris: how is the pci fx5200 working out?

[20:31:05]

xris:

mchou: still can't do HD, but other than that it's great.

[20:31:26]

mchou:

xris: still not enough juice for 1080?

[20:31:31]

xris:

been getting some weird complete-system-freeze problems with the epg and/or HD channels, but not sure if that's related or not (I'm running mythfrontend as root)

[20:31:42]

xris:

even 720 seems to eat up my whole cpu

[20:31:55]

xris:

going to try fluxbox instead of gnome tonight, as well as prerecorded instead of live tv.

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mchou:

xris: good plan

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xris:

my deinterlacing problems completely went away, though, so it was worth the $30 right there.

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** Juski curses the $ == £ price of PC hardware yet again **

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mchou:

xris: hehe. you were using S3 b4 on pundit, right?

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laga_:

sis

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xris:

sis, yeah

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kazan:

hey xris

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kazan:

you're the mythWeb maintainer right?

[20:52:04]

xris:

yes

[20:52:17]

kazan:

did you see the item i put in the wishlist about changing the data source?

[20:52:54]

xris:

what wishlist? and what data source?

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Coume:

eheh

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kazan:

http://www.weather.gov/xml/

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xris:

kazan: not going to touch that stuff... mythweather is getting rewritten to store all that info in the db

[20:53:44]

kazan:

this wishlist http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Feature_Wish . . . #MythWeather

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kazan:

you still going to pull your data from weather.com?

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Traxtopel:

well here I am 2 days later still no luck with the pvr-500

[20:54:41]

Traxtopel:

Linux : fc5 with updates.

[20:54:41]

Traxtopel:

Kernel : 2.6.17-rc3-git18

[20:54:41]

Traxtopel:

Software : hg-v4l-dvb-639a712e9694

[20:54:41]

Traxtopel:

Ivtv : svn 20060510 (0.70 branch)

[20:54:46]

Traxtopel:

and still no joy kilroy

[20:55:01]

mchou:

Traxtopel: what chipset you got on your mobo?

[20:55:06]

kazan:

shouldn't you be using .6

[20:55:18]

Traxtopel:

TCPG_6121P30A

[20:55:20]

kazan:

what does dmesg say

[20:55:23]

xris:

kazan: I'm not going to touch any of that stuff. mythweather will do whatever it does, and I'll pull it from the db.

[20:55:33]

kazan:

xris: ooh.. right.. gotcha

[20:55:38]

Traxtopel:

I asked IVTV they suggested to go bleeding edge

[20:55:38]

xris:

Traxtopel: not using atrpms?

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mchou:

Traxtopel: huh???

[20:55:48]

kazan:

someone else had already requested nws as the data source for mythweather

[20:55:51]

Traxtopel:

they don't work for this

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kazan:

never us atrpms

[20:55:59]

kazan:

use*

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Traxtopel:

pvr-500 with Samsung TCPG_6121P30A tuner

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xris:

Traxtopel: ah

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kazan:

eww samsung tuner

[20:56:11]

kazan:

a newer pvr500

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** kazan pities the f00 **

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sapbeast:

Traxtopel: only using 2.6.15 here and 0.4.4 ivtv and mine works (although the samsung tuners are still an issue)

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Traxtopel:

just wondering if anyone has gotten it to work

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mchou:

Traxtopel: no, what chipset you got on your mobo

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Traxtopel:

sapbeast what do u have

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Traxtopel:

motherboard ah right

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sapbeast:

probably the same card you do

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Traxtopel:

ivtv-detect

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Traxtopel:

whatd does that sat

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Traxtopel:

say

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mchou:

sapbeast: what's the issue with samsung tuners?

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Traxtopel:

mchou what do u need to know

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mchou:

Traxtopel: chipset on Mobo

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sapbeast:

they work, but the fine tuning leaves some to be desired

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kazan:

mchou: they're poorly supported and give less-than-great image quality

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Traxtopel:

what chipset

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Juski:

samsung tuners – sometimes they work well, sometimes they don't

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sapbeast:

yeah quite a few channels are piss poor

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Traxtopel:

its a via epia mii 12000

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kazan:

the chipset on the motherboard traxtopel....

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mchou:

Traxtopel: ok.

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sapbeast:

http://pastebin.ca/55188

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sapbeast:

for you Traxtopel

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kazan:

VIA

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kazan:

Chipset, VIA CLE266 North Bridge; VIA VT8235 South Bridge

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sapbeast:

and mine is a nforce 2 chipset (ultra?) asus a7n8x-x

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Traxtopel:

kazan can u see that with lspci or dmidecode ...

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Traxtopel:

I am sure mine is differnt sapbeast

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Traxtopel:

if u do a dmesg | grep -i samsung

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Traxtopel:

what do u see

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mchou:

kazan: that's not saying much as all pvr-x50s have pretty bad PQ (from the tuner)

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sapbeast:

tuner: type set to 68 (Samsung TCPN 2121P30A) by ivtv i2c driver #1

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Traxtopel:

right

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Traxtopel:

TCPG_6121P30A

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Traxtopel:

different tuner

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sapbeast:

so there i an even newer samsung now?

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sapbeast:

or is that PAL

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Traxtopel:

its is PAL

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sapbeast:

well either way... samsung tuner then

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sapbeast:

probably the part number for the pal version, mine is ntsc

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Traxtopel:

right

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Traxtopel:

ivtv seemed hopeful that it would be fixed in 2.6.17

[21:02:50]

Traxtopel:

card is in there

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Traxtopel:

unfortunately just does not work

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sapbeast:

no they are hoping to have ivtv as part of the kernel in 2.6.17

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mchou:

you guys try looking at the image quality with the samsung tuners in windows for comparison?

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Traxtopel:

no

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sapbeast:

but as far as samsung tuners, thats up to samsung

[21:03:17]

Traxtopel:

the tiner support

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Traxtopel:

tuner sorry

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mlehrer:

they are adding ivtv to the kernel source? that rocks. will they ever add lirc

[21:03:51]

sapbeast:

as far as i know the goal is to try to get included in 2.6.17?

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Juski:

judging by some of the ivtv list activity quite a bit of stuff is dependent on the driver

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Juski:

re. quality

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sapbeast:

yeah i could try it in a windows box sometime, but thats not convenient right now

[21:04:20]

Traxtopel:

its one huge effort

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Traxtopel:

well thats what I am going to do

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sapbeast:

im certain the windows driver would look better, as it is the main intention of the device

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sapbeast:

for use in MCE or BeyondTV

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Juski:

aye – we don't all have access to cable boxes with firewire ;)

[21:05:19]

sapbeast:

im not crying over it for right now, i have my PVR-150 as the primary tuner for the time being

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mchou:

sapbeast: how does the samsung tuner compare to tuner on pvr150 PQ wise?

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sapbeast:

PQ? acryonym deficiency here

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mchou:

I mean is it significantly worse?

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mchou:

picture quality

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sapbeast:

well yeah

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sapbeast:

depending on the channel

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sapbeast:

lower channels are ok, but still worse

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sapbeast:

but say channel 45 here (TLC) is *awful* on the samsung

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sapbeast:

but just fine on the pvr-150

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Juski:

does an amp not help?

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sapbeast:

its on a distribution amp

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sapbeast:

ive also tried it as the only device in the house, its something with the tuner

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Juski:

so I take it that the 'quality issue' isn't one of grain then

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mchou:

linux tuner driver leave much to be desired

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sapbeast:

no there is like horrible ring bars on the pvr-500 samsung tuners

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BULLE:

hi! im having some problems with getting xmltv and mythtv work togheter, i just cant seem to get mythtv to link the channels to the xml output, so i dont get any tv program information

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Juski:

fair play to the ivtv guys though – they do the best job they can given the amount of data they have to work with

[21:08:17]

sapbeast:

yeah samsung has not given them any info yet

[21:08:23]

sapbeast:

im amazed it works at all

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BULLE:

i have a new install, and then just do "mythfilldatabase --manual" and i get to enter channel info etc for each channel

[21:08:40]

sapbeast:

but ill hold out for when it does get proper support

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Juski:

sapbeast: even the pvr150 looked touch & go at one point

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Traxtopel:

they'll fix it sometime

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BULLE:

problem is, that after that, it downloads next day, and it doesnt remember teh info i already entered, so it asks again, and when i enter it again, i get some nasty sql data error that stuff is already there

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sapbeast:

yeah i remember when about a year or two ago i first looked at ivtv and mythtv, the state was alot different than it was now

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Juski:

BULLE: are you running mythfilldatabase as the same user mythbackend runs as?

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sapbeast:

getting into it now is *far* easier

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BULLE:

Juski: jupp

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Juski:

have a peek in ~/.mythtv/*.xmltv – where * is the name of the video source you gave in mythtv-setup

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sapbeast:

maybe i should post some demo pics of my pvr-150, pvr-500 comparisons when i get home

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sapbeast:

there difference is pretty significant on some channels

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BULLE:

Juski: yeah, thats the xmltv config file that tells xmltv what cahnnels i want

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Juski:

maybe the tuning table for the samsung tuner hasn't been figured out just yet – it's possible that it's not completely linear

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BULLE:

Juski: the channels i want are uncommented, the rest are commented out, with #

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Juski:

I dunno if you can even comment channels out in the xmltv file

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sapbeast:

and speaking of getting home, my work time is up for the day

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BULLE:

Juski: its the way it does it, when i run the xmltc grabber config

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BULLE:

Juski: and i tried to run the grabber separately, and it grabs the channels im intreste in

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Juski:

BULLE: have you entered the xmltv IDs for all the channels in the channel editor or in mythweb?

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BULLE:

Juski: can i ask you to take a quick look at the output from mythfilldatabase --manual, then i think it will be clear

[21:13:31]

BULLE:

Juski: i will put it in pastebin or similar

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BULLE:

Juski: ### New channel found

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BULLE:

###

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BULLE:

### name = TV6

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BULLE:

sorry

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Juski:

BULLE: could you answer the question please? did you enter all the xmltv ids into the channel editor?

[21:15:30]

BULLE:

Juski: hmmm, nope, i havent come to that yet, im just following the howto

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BULLE:

Juski: perhaps im using a non up to date howto

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Juski:

I think you need to do that, because AFAIK that's how mythtv knows which data to use for which channel

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BULLE:

Juski: okies, i will try that

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BULLE:

Juski: that would be the field named "Callsign" in the channel editor ?

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BULLE:

argh, now i see it

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Juski:

no – that'd be the field called xmltvid

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BULLE:

sorry

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BULLE:

ye, on the bottom

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Juski:

;-)

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Juski:

if listings data is being downloaded but not attached to channels, that'll probably be why

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BULLE:

Juski: ye

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BULLE:

Juski: i will fill in all fields and see what happens

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jams:

anybody here have component out working with their nvidia card?

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jehuty:

have an eselect-mysql question trying to set up mythtv backend

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jehuty:

when i try to eselect the mysql version says (none found)

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jams:

I can get a picture but it has a blue hue to it

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jehuty:

btw this is on a gentoo machine with i386 arch

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jehuty:

and wintv pvr 350 card

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jehuty:

can anyone help me

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Gumby:

does anyone here know the mythconverg sql table well? I have a few dozen recordings that were moved over from another box that failed and I am trying to figure out which regardings they are by querying the sql tables somehow. Anyone have any idea how I'd go about doing this?

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kormoc:

jehuty, ignore the eselect for now, it's broken

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Gumby:

jams: I do. Pretty simple too

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Gumby:

jams: I'll point you to my current xorg.conf.. one sec

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Juski:

right eet ees time I vos not here

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jams:

thanks

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jehuty:

kormoc then how do i set up my backend kormoc

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Juski:

er.. hang on – component out from nervidia?

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** xris cranks up the Fuel.... **

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GreyFoxx:

Gumby: If what do you mean by "they failed" ?

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Gumby:

Juski: I think he means composite

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kormoc:

jehuty, just continue on, as if that step worked.

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GreyFoxx:

if you know the filenames there is a column in the recorded table that stores the filename, so you can search for it

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Juski:

nah I think he'll be meaning component

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jams:

no I mean component

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Juski:

bah I'll check the logs tomorrow... night all

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jehuty:

kormoc, can u explain what exactly eselect does with mysql

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jams:

Y Pr Pb

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jehuty:

kormoc, will mysql still work

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Gumby:

GreyFoxx: the drive the distro was installed to failed

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GreyFoxx:

ahh

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Gumby:

GreyFoxx: but the drive with all the recordings on it is fine

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xris:

jams: alas, I've never tried with mine. and the card plugged into my mythbox doesn't support it.

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jams:

three cables red,blue,green

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jehuty:

lol component

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jehuty:

nice

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Gumby:

hehe

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GreyFoxx:

Ok, well there is a basename field in the recorded table that stores the filename if you are trying to match a recording to a recorded table entry

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kormoc:

jehuty, yes, mysql will still work, eselect's mysql module only worked with the slotted mysql packages (which are old and being removed out of the tree soon, as it didn't work as well as people hoped). Currecntly, it does absolutely nothign, and so yes, it will all just work fine without that step

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Gumby:

jams: my card only has one composite output. so my xorg.conf is probably of no use to you

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jams:

Gumby- I have that working :)

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jehuty:

kormoc, cool do u have a gentoo machine with mythtv on it as well

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kormoc:

jehuty, yes, I do

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jehuty:

kormoc, cool thankx

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Gumby:

GreyFoxx: thx, I'll have a look

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jams:

maybe I will ask in #nvidia

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Gumby:

jams: probably a good idea :)

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** Gumby hasnt seen a vga type card with r,b,g outputs before **

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jehuty:

kormoc, will the mythtv set-up which im assuming is a gui work over an ssh session, with just a raw terminal — in this case PuTTy or not?

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kormoc:

jehuty, no, it needs a X server to run

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xris:

kormoc / jehuty: setup works fine with x forwarding over ssh

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jehuty:

kormoc, ok so bascially i have to do the setup straight from the machine in front of it

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jehuty:

xris, im not sure putty allows it tho?

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xris:

jehuty: yeah, if you're running cygwin X it should be fine

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GreyFoxx:

jehuty: You can export the DISPLAY, either directly to you, or over ssh

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jehuty:

xris, or if it does i dont know how to do it never figured out

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GreyFoxx:

OR run x11vnc and vnc to the box

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GreyFoxx:

Under *nix there are always a million ways to do the same thing :)

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jehuty:

ya, but im on a windows machine right now

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kormoc:

xris, he asked if it would work with just a raw terminal, hence my requires an X server statement

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jehuty:

so id be using putty

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xris:

kormoc: except that it does work with putty

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kormoc:

xris, without an X server?

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xris:

but yeah, I understand

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xris:

kormoc: no, it does require x. so we're both right. :)

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kormoc:

heh, kk

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jehuty:

but i could vnc to the machine correct and that would work fine?

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kormoc:

it sure would

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GreyFoxx:

jehuty: IF you don't have a X server on your windowsbox, and doing it from the machine itself is not an easy optioon, use vnc

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jehuty:

ya well right now its not an easy option being about 30 miles from it

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GreyFoxx:

then vnc should do it

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jehuty:

oj

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jehuty:

ok

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** kormoc sighs **

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kormoc:

that gentoo-wiki needs to stay cleaned up

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jehuty:

as well, does anyone know of a good guide to get a hauppauge wintv pvr 350 installed on gentoo as well

[21:35:42]

jehuty:

kormoc, i agree

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kormoc:

jehuty, I've changed it oh so many times and they keep reverting my changes...

[21:35:55]

jehuty:

kormoc, slightly confusing at first glance

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GreyFoxx:

jehuty: if you haven't bought it yet, you might wanna save yourself some money and hassle and not bother with a 350

[21:36:26]

jehuty:

kormoc, too bad its got enough info that the potential for a really good guide is there

[21:36:36]

jehuty:

GreyFoxx, why is that

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kormoc:

jehuty, http://dev.gentoo.org/~cardoe/mythtv/

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jehuty:

GreyFoxx, not much of a diff between 250 and 350?

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BULLE:

jehuty: have you looked at the mythv gentoo guides ?

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kormoc:

jehuty, ooh, it's imcomplete...

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jehuty:

yes

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GreyFoxx:

the only thing a 350 has over a 250/150 is the decoder/tvout which is not much of an issue unless you are really hurting for CPU power

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jehuty:

ya ive looked at that one

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jehuty:

kormoc

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jehuty:

GreyFoxx, thats kinda what im going for

[21:37:48]

kormoc:

jehuty, the main mythtv docs will be your best bet

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BULLE:

jehuty: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV

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BULLE:

jehuty: looked at that one ?

[21:37:59]

jehuty:

ya

[21:38:08]

jehuty:

a lot

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GreyFoxx:

jehuty: So your frontend is low on CPU power? :)

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kormoc:

BULLE, that's the one that is full of unneeded, broke, and useless info :P

[21:38:21]

jehuty:

u could say that

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BULLE:

jehuty: its pretty ok, was enough for me to get it all upp and running, with a 250 card, last thing to fix is xmltv

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jehuty:

i mean i want to conserve it as much as poss

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BULLE:

kormoc: darn, didnt know, it was kind of ok for me

[21:39:28]

jehuty:

very true

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jehuty:

kormoc

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kormoc:

BULLE, some of their changes (chmodding the nvidia drivers) are really not the right way to do things, and will break other packages, and similar, but when I update it, people just revert it back. it sucks.

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BULLE:

kormoc: ouch

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jehuty:

yep

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GreyFoxx:

conserve it? Why ?:)

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jehuty:

dont worry about

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jehuty:

i already bought the 350 anyways tho so

[21:41:32]

jehuty:

not really worth debating

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh

[21:41:51]

GreyFoxx:

well, if the money is spent yeah

[21:41:55]

jehuty:

ya

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BULLE:

the 350 tvout is nice though

[21:42:11]

jehuty:

is there any way to test if my card is installed correctly

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kormoc:

so's the nvidia's :)

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kormoc:

jehuty, mplayer /dev/video0

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BULLE:

jehuty: ivtv-detect is a good start

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jehuty:

ya

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GreyFoxx:

I've done side by side comparisions with what I have here. The difference was so minor that I didn't bother with the 350

[21:42:54]

jehuty:

it detects it when i tried to record something tho

[21:43:02]

jehuty:

the file showed up as 0 bytes tho

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jehuty:

this was over ssh putty tho not sure is that made a diff

[21:43:15]

BULLE:

GreyFoxx: i went for a 250 as i want more then just tvout, i want dvi-out aswell

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kormoc:

jehuty, I'd recommend ivtv 0.4.0 and kernel 2.6.14 for the best stability and ease of setup.

[21:43:33]

GreyFoxx:

BULLE: yeah, 250's here as well

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jehuty:

i got the 2.6.16 kernel now

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kormoc:

BULLE, huh? the 250 has no outputs...

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GreyFoxx:

no, but the nvidia/whatever likely does :)

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BULLE:

kormoc: no, so i went with a separate nvidia 5200fx card

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BULLE:

kormoc: passively cooled

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kormoc:

heh, kk

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GreyFoxx:

my cards will be busy tonight

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kormoc:

next upgrade is to a pvr 500 I think

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kormoc:

after the drives, that is

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jehuty:

is that dual tuners right 500?

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BULLE:

jehuty: avoid 2.6.16 kernels as they cause lots of problems currently

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kormoc:

jehuty, yeah

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jehuty:

dammit

[21:45:22]

jehuty:

how do i downgrade to the 2.6.14 source

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RaYmAn-Bx:

I have no problems with my 2.6.16 kernel, ivtv 0.6svn and PVR-500

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jehuty:

ya

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BULLE:

jehuty: i use 2.6.15-r gentoo and it works well for me

[21:45:38]

RaYmAn-Bx:

but it probably is easier with earlier versions

[21:45:39]

jehuty:

i havent really either

[21:45:48]

jehuty:

i use 2.6.16-r6 currently

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BULLE:

RaYmAn-Bx: ye, but you need the newest 0.6 from svn, and its a bit of a gamble

[21:46:03]

kormoc:

jehuty, mask newer kerenls ro emerge =category/package-version

[21:46:25]

BULLE:

RaYmAn-Bx: if he is using gentoo, there isnt even an ebuild for 0.6 last time i checked

[21:46:37]

RaYmAn-Bx:

BULLE: last time I checked there hardly were any cahnges in 0.6svn

[21:46:37]

kormoc:

I highly recommend 2.6.14 and ivtv 0.4.0 for ease of use and stability :)

[21:46:54]

RaYmAn-Bx:

BULLE: manual install isn't hard ;)

[21:47:07]

RaYmAn-Bx:

but yeah..kormoc is definitely right

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jehuty:

well

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RaYmAn-Bx:

I mainly use 2.6.16 because most of my hardware isn't supported in earlier versions

[21:47:26]

BULLE:

for what its worth, 2.6.15-r1 and 0.4.2 works ok for me

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BULLE:

RaYmAn-Bx: ouch, what hardware have you got ?

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kormoc:

jehuty, did you unmask mythtv 0.19 btw?

[21:48:24]

RaYmAn-Bx:

BULLE: Aopen i915GMm-HFS with PVR-500

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xris:

kormoc: why is .19 still maked?

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xris:

masked

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jehuty:

i dont think so

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jehuty:

how do i do that

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kormoc:

xris, donno... cardoe's never actually told me why

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jehuty:

figure out the packgroup mythtv is under and everything?

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xris:

and he's not around anymore to bitchslap. heh

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kormoc:

jehuty, I'd recommend echo ">=media-tv/mythtv-0.1.0" >> /etc/portage/package.unmask

[21:50:01]

kormoc:

xris, heh, yeah, he's busy working two jobs and college for the nearish future

[21:51:01]

jehuty:

isnt it package.keywords

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kormoc:

jehuty, depends on the mask

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kormoc:

jehuty, keyword masking is if there are known or possable problems with a certain arch (compter type, x86, amd64, sparc, etc)

[21:51:41]

jehuty:

do i need the >= ?

[21:51:49]

jehuty:

ahhh yes

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kormoc:

jehuty, standard masking is usually for unstable or untested packages. but I test the hell out of the gentoo one as does cardoe and a bunch of others, so they're rather good

[21:52:26]

kormoc:

jehuty, yeah, the >= will unmask all version, including future versions.

[21:52:31]

jehuty:

then just emerge mythtv normally after writing that to the file package.umask

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kormoc:

package.unmask, aye

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jehuty:

ya

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jehuty:

ya its compiling .18 tho

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kormoc:

ooh?

[21:53:54]

jehuty:

.18.1-r1

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jehuty:

ya

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kormoc:

crtl-c

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kormoc:

maybe it's arch masked as well...

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jehuty:

could be

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kormoc:

echo "media-tv/mythtv *" >> /etc/portage/package.keywords

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jehuty:

well u wrote mythtv-0.1.0 is that correct

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kormoc:

yeah

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jehuty:

k

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maniacxs:

oh ... is trac closed?

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jehuty:

nope still .18.1

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jehuty:

maybe its not stable yet for x86

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kormoc:

jehuty, uhh...

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jehuty:

or i386

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jehuty:

whichever

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kormoc:

try same line with ~* on the end rather then just *

[21:56:47]

kormoc:

or of course, I could just ssh home and take a look what I have...

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jehuty:

err oh u dont need to specify version do u?

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kormoc:

not for keywords, nope

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jehuty:

ahhh thats prolly why

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jehuty:

ooops

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jehuty:

i did

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kormoc:

media-tv/mythtv ~* is what I have it set to, maybe the ~ is needed after all

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jehuty:

ya

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jehuty:

!!! All ebuilds that could satisfy "=x11-themes/mythtv-themes-0.19*" have been masked.

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jehuty:

thats what emerge gives me

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jehuty:

should i just unmask this then too

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jehuty:

x11-themes/mythtv-themes-0.19

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kormoc:

yeah

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kormoc:

you do need to unmask everything it complains about

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sapbeast:

there is alot to unmask also

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kormoc:

shouldn't be too much

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georgek:

kormoc, in your /etc/make.conf, are you setting 'ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86' to unmask the testing packages?

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kormoc:

georgek, nope, just in the /etc/portage/package.keywords

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sapbeast:

updated my gallery with pvr-150 and pvr-500 sample images http://www.klystron.org/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=338

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sapbeast:

at least someone was asking me how my pvr-500 looked

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simcop2387-zauru:

kickass tv on my zaurus

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simcop2387-zauru:

now to get something more workable going with mythtranscode and i guess ill use php to stream it since mythweb uses it, then ive got to write a nice frontend for the zaurus

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georgek:

simcop2387-zauru, the pvr-500 is dual tuner?

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georgek:

er sapbeast ...

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sapbeast:

yeah, with samsung tuners

[22:41:55]

sapbeast:

soem channels are "ok" while others are noticeably bad

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sapbeast:

since i have my website setup i thought i would share :p

[22:42:27]

simcop2387-zauru:

yes the 500 has dual tuners

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sapbeast:

i need to get some shows recorded on the 2nd tuner of the pvr-500... really not pretty

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sapbeast:

bonus points if you can name all the movies in the screenshots

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AngryElf:

do HD recordings look better on NTSC screens than NTSC recordings?

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mlehrer:

not likely

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AngryElf:

DVDs look better than VHS/TV though

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mlehrer:

probably wouldn't look much worse though

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sapbeast:

dvd pretty much pushes ntsc as far as it can

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AngryElf:

or is it just wishful thinking

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sapbeast:

hdtv will look about the same

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sapbeast:

at least if your watching it on ntsc

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simcop2387-zauru:

i love my zaurus now

[22:50:06]

jehuty:

anyone know how i can unmask this package when tryin to install mythtv .19 !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your request:

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jehuty:

- x11-themes/mythtv-themes-0.19 (masked by: ~x86 keyword)

[22:50:19]

xris:

AngryElf: dvd's are still ntsc

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kormoc:

jehuty, add it to your keywords file

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xris:

AngryElf: hd doesn't look any better than a dvd. ntsc can only hold so much data.

[22:50:41]

kormoc:

jehuty, jehuty just like the main one in /etc/portage/package.keywords

[22:50:54]

jehuty:

i did in this string in package.keywords x11-themes/mythtv-themes-0.19 ~x86

[22:51:02]

jehuty:

still gives same msg

[22:51:19]

jehuty:

heres the whole error msg: --- Invalid atom in /etc/portage/package.keywords: media-tv/x11-themes/mythtv-themes-0.19

[22:51:19]

jehuty:

!!! All ebuilds that could satisfy "=x11-themes/mythtv-themes-0.19*" have been masked.

[22:51:19]

jehuty:

!!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your request:

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jehuty:

- x11-themes/mythtv-themes-0.19 (masked by: ~x86 keyword)

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kormoc:

jehuty, no version number in keywords, remember? :P

[22:51:29]

jehuty:

ahh

[22:51:32]

jehuty:

ooops

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sapbeast:

depending on the dvd at least

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sapbeast:

dvd's that are encoded as FILM can look better

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sapbeast:

dvd's encoded as NTSC/PAL are just straight from video

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sapbeast:

so a film dvd in a progressive player on hdtv, will indeed look better

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diamon:

Anyone happen to have an asoundrc/asound.conf file for a SB Live with spdif? I'm having hell trying to make one of my own.

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sapbeast:

dont use asound sorry :(

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mlehrer:

heh

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diamon:

I'll keep searching and asking then, I'm sure *someone* is using a SB Live for spdif output out there. It's just a question of where I can find the info I need...

[23:04:40]

diamon:

apt-get dist-upgrade

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mlehrer:

i found one for an nforce chipset

[23:04:44]

diamon:

Arrgh.

[23:04:50]

mlehrer:

not sure if it will help you

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diamon:

mlehrer: It sort-of helped, as I can see what they're doing and why. I have spdif out working physically, but I have no mute or volume control on it.

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kormoc:

diamon, http://www.knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=DigitalAudioHowTo

[23:06:23]

mlehrer:

you don't control the volume on s/dpif from the pc

[23:06:27]

mlehrer:

you would do that on your pre-amp

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mlehrer:

or receiver

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jehuty:

so for configuring my kernel for gentoo for a wintv pvr 350 does anyone know of a good walkk throught that will get the job done because right now dont htink it is rcording but ivtv-detect detects it

[23:07:31]

diamon:

mlehrer: Arrgh, are you serious? I thought it could be modified for volume at least.

[23:08:13]

jehuty:

im confused wat statements for modprobe card=nn and tuner=xx i have to use specifically for tuner=xx because i dont see hauppague listed in that doc

[23:08:19]

diamon:

Damn. My 'external amp' is a set of digital speakers that can accept a52/AC3 signal data. Fooey.

[23:08:24]

kormoc:

diamon, you can use the internal myth volume controls, but you'll lose the dolby digital stream (if it has one)

[23:09:02]

diamon:

kormoc: It laughs at all my attempts to use the internal volume controls so far.

[23:09:05]

kormoc:

jehuty, it should auto-detect it, and the reason oyu don't see happauge there is because they odn't make tuners, they use other company's tuners

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sapbeast:

only soundcards i know of that do dolby digital live are old nforce and x-mystique 7.1 (im sure they dont work in linux)

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jehuty:

kormoc: so do i have to add anything in the card=nn and tuner=nn statements for modprobe

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Mattwj2005:

okay guys I got a few questions about firewire before I give this a try

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kormoc:

sapbeast, that link I gave to diamon talks a little about getting dolby working on some cards with myth

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jehuty:

ivtv does auto-detect it

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kormoc:

jehuty, you shouldn't have no, no

[23:10:08]

Mattwj2005:

first and foremost....this is legal?

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sapbeast:

kormoc: i wouldnt doubt its possible as a software driver

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jehuty:

any ideas what i should do u see if it is recording correctly before configuring mythtv?

[23:10:28]

xris:

Mattwj2005: yes

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Mattwj2005:

I am not decrypting anything

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Mattwj2005:

okay

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xris:

Mattwj2005: it wouldn't be enabled if it wasn't required by law

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kormoc:

jehuty, easiest way to test is mplayer /dev/video0 and see if you get a picture

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diamon:

I have spdif output working in Myth, I just couldn't control the volume. If spdif isn't *meant* to have volume control, that would explain my problem, I just thought the digital data could be modified for volume.

[23:10:57]

xris:

and it wouldn't work if it was encrypted

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Mattwj2005:

okay....second....with Knoppmyth I just add this as a tv tuner?

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Mattwj2005:

I just use mythtv-setup

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sapbeast:

kormoc: well thats interesting, although nforce/nforce 2 dolby sound is increasingly hard to find because it was discontinued ages ago

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jehuty:

?

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jehuty:

kormoc will the picture just be black

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jehuty:

or what

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GreyFoxx:

Anyone remember what svn revision 0.19 was ?

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kormoc:

jehuty, it sould be a tv image, but might be black

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jehuty:

ok thats

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jehuty:

yet when i did try to test it out and record

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jehuty:

i issued these commands on the wiki (may be wrong) # ivtvctl -u 0x3000

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jehuty:

# ivtvctl -p 4

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jehuty:

# ivtvctl -f width=720,height=480

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jehuty:

# ivtvctl -v input=3,output=1

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jehuty:

# cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg

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jehuty:

and the file test.mpg i noticed was 0 bytes

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kormoc:

GreyFoxx, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/8926

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BULLE:

jehuty: what does ivtv-detect say ? does it say everything is hapy etc ?

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GreyFoxx:

thanks

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jehuty:

output ==

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jehuty:

driver: ivtv-0.4.2 (tagged release)

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jehuty:

card: WinTV PVR 350, bus info 0000:00:09.0, ivtv card #0

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jehuty:

hardware: saa7115 saa7127 msp34xx tda9887 tveeprom

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kormoc:

GreyFoxx, actually, it was the one before that, sorry

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jehuty:

driver: ivtv-0.4.2 (tagged release)

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jehuty:

card: WinTV PVR 350, bus info 0000:00:09.0, ivtv card #0

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jehuty:

hardware: saa7115 saa7127 msp34xx tda9887 tveeprom

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xris:

Mattwj2005: yeah, that should work.

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jehuty:

/dev/v4l/vbi4: VBI from MPG (links: /dev/vbi4)

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jehuty:

/dev/v4l/vbi8: VBI decoding (links: /dev/vbi8)

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jehuty:

/dev/v4l/video16: MPG decoding (links: /dev/video16)

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jehuty:

/dev/v4l/video24: PCM encoding (links: /dev/video24)

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jehuty:

/dev/v4l/video32: YUV encoding (links: /dev/video32)

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jehuty:

/dev/v4l/video48: YUV decoding (links: /dev/video48)

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jehuty:

there

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jehuty:

sry everyone

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BULLE:

urgh, use pastebin

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xris:

setup info is the same as the stuff covered in Jarod's fedora guide at wilsonet.com

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kormoc:

jehuty, for future reference, please use pastebin.ca

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jehuty:

sry

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jehuty:

i know

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jehuty:

forgot

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BULLE:

jehuty: so see, the driver doesnt mentionanthing about /dev/video0

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kormoc:

jehuty, and I have yet to get 0.4.2 working on my ivtv card, which is why I keep telling people that I highly recommend ivtv 0.4.0 and kernel 2.6.14 :)

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BULLE:

0.4.2 works on my 250 =P

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jehuty:

http://pastebin.com/712570

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jehuty:

there it does

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BULLE:

gentoo had some horrible hickups due to firmware loading issues with hotplug though, but that was not the drivers fault

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jehuty:

it lists a links

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BULLE:

jehuty: ahh, there you do have the mpeg encoding link

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jehuty:

link

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jehuty:

ya

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BULLE:

jehuty: ye, its most likely udev stuff

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kormoc:

BULLE, I worked though that fine, but my m179 (rebranded 250) would just do the same thing as jehuty's card. seem to work fine, but no data output

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jehuty:

hmm, problem?

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BULLE:

jehuty: hmm listen to what kormoc says

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** GreyFoxx is happily running 0.2.0rc3j **

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jehuty:

thought so

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GreyFoxx:

:)

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jehuty:

ya

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BULLE:

jehuty: try 0.4.0 then

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jehuty:

how do i mask .4.2 then

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jehuty:

so i can emerge 0.4.0

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kormoc:

0.4.0 requires kernel version less then 2.6.15 tho.

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jehuty:

hrmm i got the newest

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jehuty:

dam

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kormoc:

jehuty, echo ">media-tv/ivtv-0.4.1" >> /etc/portage/package.mask

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jehuty:

cool

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sapbeast:

i used 2.6.15 in gentoo but did the ivtv driver by hand... the portage tree doesnt have 0.4.4 yet

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kormoc:

jehuty, echo ">=sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-2.6.15" >> /etc/portage/package.mask to mask newer kernels (assuming you are using gentoo-sources)

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jehuty:

hmmm so 0.4.5 works then?

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jehuty:

yea yea, not genkernel or anything either, just build it manually

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sapbeast:

yeah im sticking to 2.6.15 because i dont think lirc supports 2.6.16 yet (??)

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jehuty:

oh really?

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sapbeast:

someone mentioned that to me the other day

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jehuty:

where do u guys get all this info from

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jehuty:

just on irc

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BULLE:

jehuty: lirc homepage, ivtv homepage ?

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jehuty:

mmm

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BULLE:

jehuty: ivtv homepage lists what driver works with what kernel version etc

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jehuty:

ok

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sapbeast:

0.6 is for 2.6.16 specifically

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BULLE:

ye

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kormoc:

I do wish ivtv would make it into the kernel proper

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sapbeast:

its being worked on

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sapbeast:

for 2.6.17 i believe

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sapbeast:

at least, being attempted

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kormoc:

sapbeast, it's been being attempted for months :)

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sapbeast:

well we just need to be patient

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kormoc:

Well, yeah, I'm quite glad of their work, just not much faith in it being there the next kernel release (tm)(r) ;)

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jehuty:

so u think the reason is that its not picking up the .mpg file or recording bytes to it is the kernel ver and ivtv ver descrepancy

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sapbeast:

well that can happen, if its not linked properly it will fail to load... also if its missing firmware in the right location

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sapbeast:

quite a few reasons ivtv wont intialize

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jehuty:

why would it be missing firmware tho

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jehuty:

just the kernel doesnt have it

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sapbeast:

well you need the firmware files for the driver to operate, they are not provided with it

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sapbeast:

either off the windows driver cd or that host that has them (linked on ivtv.org?)

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jehuty:

hmmm

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jehuty:

ya

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sapbeast:

i got it off the latter... worked fine

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BULLE:

jehuty: what does your log output say ? it should say if the modules loaded properly etc

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sapbeast:

you need to carefully read the docs, depending on the driver the firmware location is different

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BULLE:

jehuty: if the firmware isnt found, it will complain in the logs

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sapbeast:

and the naming different also

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jehuty:

ya

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BULLE:

sapbeast: and, it might even depend on the linux distribution

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jehuty:

well it didnt complain

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BULLE:

sapbeast: if you use the hotplug stuff

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jehuty:

it just doesnt write data to the test.mpg

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jehuty:

ya

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jehuty:

i will do that

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jehuty:

it didnt give me any output when i tried to write it to test.mpg

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jehuty:

just sat there

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jehuty:

until i controlled c

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jehuty:

ctrl+c

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jehuty:

whichever, it actually gives a file test.mpg tho with 0 bytes

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BULLE:

jehuty: sonds like the problem kormoc described he had

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sapbeast:

yeah if it was working the file size would slowly grow

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jehuty:

cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg thats the command i issued to record

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jehuty:

yea

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jehuty:

i know it doesnt work

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sapbeast:

i can give you a snip from my dmesg if it helps to compare

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jehuty:

i believe it is a compatibility issue of some sort with the drivers from the kernel im using

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BULLE:

jehuty: if you are using 2.6.16 then you need to use 0.6 driver, atleast according to ivtv homepage

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BULLE:

jehuty: and you are using 2.6.16 right ?

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jehuty:

wait .6 driver for ....?

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jehuty:

yes 2.6.16-r6

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jehuty:

ivtv .6 driver ?

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BULLE:

jehuty: 0.6.2 is the newest, yes

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BULLE:

jehuty: read the ivtv homepage!

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jehuty:

yes ok

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jehuty:

im just doing something else right now

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jehuty:

i will

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BULLE:

http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Main_Page

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jehuty:

brb

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jehuty:

ty

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sapbeast:

yeah just carefully read the output when compiling the ivtv driver, it should warn if anything is awry

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jehuty:

mmmk

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jehuty:

will od

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diamon:

From what I'm reading, it seems that a52 and ac3 are fairly related to each other? Is that right?

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