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Saturday, April 29th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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mchou:

wow, I just extended my sub at zap2it and there were no questions!!

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xris:

wow

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plb:

hrm i set the backend server to my box and its running but says it cannot connect

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plb:

connection timed out

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plb:

anyone got a clue?

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plb:

anyone running debian?

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plb:

no one using debian?

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nosun:

whats currently a easy tut to install mythtv if I got a PVR 150?

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laga:

nosun: what distro?

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nosun:

whatever is the easiest;)

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nosun:

all in one box

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laga:

uh, knoppmyth?

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nosun:

system = Athlon XP 2400+, 1gb ddr ram, 64mb geforce 4 440, TV Max PVR-150

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plb:

i just got a pvr-150 also

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nosun:

40gb hd

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nosun:

koolz

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plb:

hrm I think I need ivtv drivers?

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laga:

plb: yes.

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nosun:

so whats a easy tut?

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nosun:

;)

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laga:

nosun: what? TV Max? what's that?

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nosun:

for any distro

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laga:

nosun: www.ivtvdriver.org

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nosun:

WinTV rather

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nosun:

I was thinking about my old Zoltrix;)

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laga:

nosun: imho, there's noch such thing as a wintv pvr 150 ;)

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nosun:

ok PVR-150

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nosun:

that better?

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nosun:

so any solutions?

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kormoc:

nosun, so use the distro laga said, knoppmyth

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nosun:

mirrors aren't working for me;P

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nosun:

know what the images name is?

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kormoc:

no

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nosun:

k thanx non the less

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nosun:

:)

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kormoc:

you're welcome

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laga:

nosun: use bittorrent/edonkey

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mchou:

what bullshit

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mchou:

oh god

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laga:

sup?

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kormoc:

sup? sure I'll take some supper if you're buying!

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** laga blinks **

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mchou:

man, I'm boycotting on Monday

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laga:

are you still at work?

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kormoc:

aye

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laga:

heh. well, at least you guys have more of your weekend left ;)

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kormoc:

heh, indeed

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diamon:

Ahhh, finally I'm upgrading to MythTV 0.19. I read somewhere that in .19 that Myth has its own DVD player internally I think? Anyone have comments about how well or not it works?

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plb:

er do you need to copy drivers for pvr-150 off the cd?

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laga:

follow the instructions, it's described there

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kormoc:

diamon, no menu support, or track selection or anything like that, but other then that, it works well

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kormoc:

plb, no, read the info on ivtvdriver.org, they'll tell you what you need

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diamon:

kormoc: So the function is fine, just the features that are a bit lacking, eh?

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kormoc:

diamon, right

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diamon:

Maybe I'll try using Xine or something, mplayer didn't do menus or anything either.

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kormoc:

xine does menus rather well

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Slyboots:

evening

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diamon:

Good to know. Though I've just decided to simply install it and get it working, and then mess with options like that later, not do both at once. :)

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Slyboots:

Does anyonw know if those hybrid DVB/Analog PCI cards work with linux?

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Slyboots:

Like the Hauppauge WintTV-HVR 1100?

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diamon:

Dunno myself, but Hauppage has a better track record than most for having usable drivers... Tried google?

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Slyboots:

Yea, mostly people asking the same question

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Slyboots:

With noone giving an answer :D

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diamon:

Doh.

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diamon:

Not good odds then, I'd guess, but it's hard to be sure.

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Slyboots:

Yea, Im intrested in getting a card with DVB-T support, but also with more connections than just RF

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diamon:

So, as I'm upgrading from FC3 to FC4 and going from Myth 0.18 to 19, can I just dump the database entirely and restore it, or do I have to do anything fancy?

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Slyboots:

It just seems hard to do as most cards supported by linux, dont have anything beyond RF

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kormoc:

usually those dual cards are just a bt chip tossed onto a dvb card, so it's better quality to get a pvr 150 + standard dvb card or cheaper to get a bt chipset + standard dvb card

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Slyboots:

Cant do that

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Slyboots:

I only have 1 PCI slot

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Slyboots:

(Shuttle PC)

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kormoc:

ahh

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Slyboots:

Well, I suppose I could go for a USB Device + PCI card

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kormoc:

bt chipsets give rather crappy quality for the most part and eat up cpu to encode, so they tend to be rather... sucky imho

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Slyboots:

How does linux perform with USB tv-cards?

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kormoc:

depends on the card

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kormoc:

some work well, others, not so hot

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Slyboots:

which one's work well? ;)

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diamon:

Yeah, I used a BT878 card as a proof-of-concept, but once I realized what Myth could do I got a PVR-150 for it fast.

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mchou:

even pvr150s suck

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Goatz:

speaking of sucky is there something I should know about turner speed in pvr150's cause my bt was faster...

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diamon:

Meh, works fine for me. So what doesn't suck then?

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mchou:

all analog pc tuners suck by definition

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Slyboots:

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Slyboots:

I dont have that kind of money!

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kormoc:

Slyboots, there's a plextor mpeg 4 usb adapter that is supported under linux

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mchou:

I dont understand how ppl can stand for the crappy picture quality on analog tuners

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diamon:

Tiny CPU usage, good capture quality, good noise reduction, I'm happy as far as analog goes. Are there any supported digital TV cards that are linux-supported?

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kormoc:

ooh, well, you won't like the usb cost

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diamon:

mchou: Actually, when I see digital TV output, I usually notice far too much blockiness and pixellation vs analog, so analog is fine by me so far.

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Slyboots:

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mchou:

diamon: that's cause of crappy reception or digital tuners

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diamon:

Could be, but I have yet to find a good one that works with Myth, so...

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mchou:

diamon: lol

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mchou:

diamon: any STB with friewire would do

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plb:

ok I got ivtv setup but shouldn't I have a /dev/video0 or something??

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mchou:

firewire*

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diamon:

STB is...?

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Slyboots:

So how does the PVR150 differ from any other TV card?

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Slyboots:

Despite the fact it does not support DVB-T

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plb:

still trying to get mine to work

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Slyboots:

(we only get about 4 channels here, most of those arnt much good ;)

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Slyboots:

I dunno, Im starting to rethink this whole MythTV thing totaly

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diamon:

Well, as opposed to BT8*8 cards, the PVR-150 types have hardware encoding, so CPU usage to capture the signal is way lower. Higher res than most of the crap TV cards in my experience, too.

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Slyboots:

I mean, I only get 4 channels here, dunno if its worth getting a media center box

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plb:

is anyone on debian?

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Slyboots:

(And 3 of those arnt much good ;)

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diamon:

If you've only got 4 channels to work with and not a lot you like to watch, maybe just a BT878 would do fine, try it for a bit and get a PVR-series if you find you like it.

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Slyboots:

I've got a BT878 right now

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Slyboots:

Its a total fecking *nightmare* getting it to work

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Slyboots:

I get picture, but no sound

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diamon:

Does it have a 1/8" mic jack on it?

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Slyboots:

1/8"?.. You mean 3.5 mini-jack?

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diamon:

Get a cable to go from that to your line-in on your sound card, that's what I had to do for my 878. A friend had one that didn't need it, but mine did.

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Slyboots:

Doesnet work

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Slyboots:

I even tried connecting my headphones directy to the card

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diamon:

Do you get sound directly from that 3.5?

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Slyboots:

Nope

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diamon:

Is btsound loaded?

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Slyboots:

Tried it with and without

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diamon:

The kernel module.

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diamon:

Hmmm.

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diamon:

Checked all of your mixers? Some BT cards get a mixer that may be muted or lowered. /dev/mixer1 on most systems.

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Slyboots:

Yup, after I installed Alsa I got a mixer control for Brooktree BT878

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Slyboots:

Didnet have *any* affect on the card at all

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Slyboots:

Bout that stage I just got fed up and disconnected it

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diamon:

Then I think your BT878 is farked up physically, that 3.5 should put out sound even if the OS is shut down.

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Slyboots:

Im going to test it in my Windows machine later

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diamon:

I load the BT878 module, that jack goes live on mine and I can't shut it up except to mute it.

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Slyboots:

Lucky you :D

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diamon:

Yeah, that's probably a good idea.

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diamon:

Hmm, damn mysql won't start... What *are* you grumpy about, silly program?

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Slyboots:

Its mySql

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Slyboots:

Its always grumpy

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diamon:

Fill help tables? WTF? Bah. Silly program.

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Slyboots:

run fillbackend again?

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Slyboots:

Oh, sql wont start

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Slyboots:

ah

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diamon:

Yeah, I can't start mysqld yet. Something's narfed up in the initial FC4 config or the way I set the system up.

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Slyboots:

Fun, I had to install SQL 3 times..

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diamon:

Nah, that'd be too easy for me, I'll try hard to figure it out, even if it means the Myth system is down for a bit and my roommie tries to kill me in my sleep over it. :)

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diamon:

It aborted for sure, and says something about helpfiles. Maybe I should check the rpm lists, see if I'm missing a package.

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Slyboots:

Helpfiles.. hmm..

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Slyboots:

The only packages you need are mysql-server and mysql-common

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Slyboots:

Unless your not on Deb..

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plb:

did anyone else have to reinstall for pvr-150 to work?? I just read that somewhere I have no /dev/video or anythign in /dev

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diamon:

I don't see a mysql-common.

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Slyboots:

that might be debian.. whats your flavor?

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diamon:

Fedora Core 4.

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Slyboots:

Ah, your on your own there Im afraid

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diamon:

Not a problem, I'll figure it out eventually. Tenacity is something I have in bulk.

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sanmarcos:

anybody have experience with udev/ivtv firmware? the ivtv driver is supposed to load the firmware (which I have in /lib/firmware/ and usr lib hotplug firmware), but since I switched from hotplug to udev, I get ivtv0: unable to open firmware v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw, but the driver is *really* there? any ideas?

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diamon:

Sure the firmware file has the right permissions?

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sanmarcos:

global r

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diamon:

Hmm.

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sanmarcos:

i am totally lost, and udev has given me enough headaches

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diamon:

Yeah, udev is pretty fun.

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sanmarcos:

http://www.ivtvdriver.org/pipermail/ivtv-user . . . /002464.html this seems similar to what I am experiencing

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sanmarcos:

diamon: the new kernels dont use hotplug/devfs anymore

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sanmarcos:

I hate linus' decision to do main development on the 2.6 branch

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diamon:

Yeah, I have to admit I did like the old way better, but hey, for a free product of this quality and capability, I can put up with a lot.

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diamon:

sanmarcos: Are you getting a return code of -3? Do you have that file?

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sanmarcos:

yeah, -3

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sanmarcos:

I do have that file on the firmware dirs

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diamon:

anything in dmesg or your system logs?

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sanmarcos:

no diamon

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sanmarcos:

what distro/udev are you?

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diamon:

Hmm. I'm FC4, udevinfo -V shows udev 071.

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sanmarcos:

so, you got your firmware working with udev?=

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sanmarcos:

I have udev 091

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sanmarcos:

can you cat /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug ?

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diamon:

Odd. I installed mysql-bench and it's happy.

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diamon:

Yep, and it returns '/sbin/udevsend'

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sanmarcos:

yeah I added that too right no

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sanmarcos:

I dont think ti will change anything

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diamon:

Do you have default.hotplug and firmware.agent present on your system?

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kormoc:

is the problem that the firmware won't load?

[01:43:20]

sanmarcos:

/etc/hotplug/firmware.agent

[01:43:20]

sanmarcos:

/lib/udev/firmware.agent

[01:43:27]

sanmarcos:

default.hotplug no

[01:43:36]

sanmarcos:

kormoc: yes, switch from devfs/hotplug to udev

[01:43:40]

sanmarcos:

on debian sid, 2.6.16

[01:43:48]

kormoc:

hrm.

[01:43:50]

sanmarcos:

the firmware is in the right dir, but ivtv gives me -3 not found

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kormoc:

did you update ivtv?

[01:44:00]

sanmarcos:

I do not know what to do!

[01:44:02]

diamon:

You likely need that default.hotplug.

[01:44:05]

sanmarcos:

yes, 0.6

[01:44:14]

sanmarcos:

diamon: yes, but that is provided by hotplug, afaik?

[01:44:19]

sanmarcos:

and I *cant* install hotplug

[01:44:24]

sanmarcos:

it conflicts

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kormoc:

I've heard flaky things about newer ivtv versions

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diamon:

sanmarcos: So you are or are not using hotplug?

[01:44:45]

kormoc:

you might want to downgrade it and see if it still has issues with a known previosuly working one?

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diamon:

Just pure udev?

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sanmarcos:

I dont think this is an ivtv issue

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sanmarcos:

diamon: yes, hotplug not on my system, there are some stale files in there though

[01:45:15]

sanmarcos:

aparently udev relies on some hotplug files or whatever

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sanmarcos:

kormoc: ivtv0.6 is needed for newer kernels

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sanmarcos:

and 0.4 also has the same issue

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sanmarcos:

its an udev/hotplug problem

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kormoc:

kk

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Beirdo:

sanmarcos, I think you found the problem... "hotplug not on my system"

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sanmarcos:

hotplug isnt needed

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sanmarcos:

udev replaces hotplug

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Beirdo:

maybe it is

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diamon:

AFAICT so far, udev uses hotplug, or its own version of it. I'm still looking at that.

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Beirdo:

I can't tell you from my PVR as it's being shipped right now

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kormoc:

gentoo's ebuilds list hotplug as a depend

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Beirdo:

but I *KNOW* it is using hotplug, and it's a recent build of ubuntu

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Beirdo:

so...

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sanmarcos:

debian sid conflicts

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kothog:

hearing lots about ubuntu these days.. what's its gimmick again? i know gentoo's got portage.. CentOS is the free RHEL.. what's ubuntu?

[01:49:13]

Beirdo:

a better debian

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braniff:

it's debian candy-version

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kothog:

so.. using E, that kind of thing?

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Beirdo:

i.e. more timely upgrades

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kothog:

ah

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sanmarcos:

yes, a more polished debian

[01:49:48]

sanmarcos:

it is actually quite nice

[01:49:53]

kormoc:

kothog, more user friendly

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braniff:

it's pretty

[01:50:33]

kothog:

.. some people's idea of polished is puritan, like NetBSD.. others it's iPretty-inspired. ubuntu == pretty, clean, good looking desktop?

[01:50:35]

kothog:

ah got it.

[01:50:47]

kothog:

thanks. :)

[01:51:02]

kothog:

been hearing a lot about it recently.

[01:51:03]

braniff:

and the new version (dapper) has fast user switching like windows xp

[01:52:35]

sanmarcos:

thats a gnome feature

[01:52:46]

sanmarcos:

debian gnome and ubuntu gnome are 90% similar

[01:53:29]

sanmarcos:

the thing about ubuntu, is that they dont have an unstable branch

[01:53:33]

sanmarcos:

but its ok, I like releases also

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diamon:

I still need to try CentOS, I keep forgetting...

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kothog:

centos is pure.. the minimal install only takes the first CD and it works sooo well.

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** kothog drools. **

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kormoc:

kothog, well, if you want a small cd, gentoo's base stage 1 cd is around 30 megs... :P

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diamon:

Yeah, I liked that idea. I was going to use it as the base for my Asterisk@Home project, whenever I do that next...

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** braniff thinks there is also an asterisk package for openwrt (runs on linksys routers) **

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kothog:

kormoc: don't like all the compiling. :(

[01:59:50]

kormoc:

heh, fair nuff

[02:00:29]

kothog:

kormoc: I do like the idea of a minimalist install though.. and only using yum or apt or portage to pull in what I need when I need it.

[02:01:32]

diamon:

braniff: I think I saw that once. I haven't gotten brave enough to maybe brick my wireless router yet though, so no idea how well it works from me anyway.

[02:03:00]

braniff:

i loaded openwrt on a linksys wrt54g the other day

[02:03:11]

braniff:

it's very featureful

[02:03:35]

sanmarcos:

dont the wrt54g suck?

[02:03:42]

sanmarcos:

I mean, Ive heard tons of good things about it

[02:03:49]

sanmarcos:

but they replaced it with a crappier revision right?

[02:04:02]

braniff:

they don't suck with openwrt on them...

[02:04:19]

braniff:

i use a different router to control my home net tho

[02:04:24]

diamon:

Yeah, the mid-series ones were very nice.

[02:04:38]

diamon:

I've got a wrt54g, works like a champ.

[02:05:03]

kormoc:

I have a wrt54g and it's flaky

[02:05:48]

diamon:

Bummer! Mine is so stable and well-behaved I sometimes forget I have it on my network except for when friends need the WAP key...

[02:05:58]

Sebulba02:

heh

[02:06:10]

diamon:

Hmmm, time for a smoke break I think!

[02:06:40]

kormoc:

diamon, I have the fun experence that the wifi can't talk to the router, but can talk to other computers...

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braniff:

that's weird

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kormoc:

yeah...

[02:08:42]

kormoc:

it sucks cause the mythbox is on the wifi and it can't get to zap2it or anything else on the web.

[02:09:22]

braniff:

maybe you need to set the router as the "default gateway" on the mythbox?

[02:09:51]

kormoc:

did so

[02:10:17]

braniff:

"# route add default gw <router-ip>"

[02:10:19]

kormoc:

mythbox is 192.168.1.3, it can ping .4 and .2 but not .1 (router) nor anything on the outside world.

[02:10:22]

** kormoc nods **

[02:10:44]

kormoc:

router just acts like it doesn't exist

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braniff:

firewall issue maybe

[02:11:04]

kormoc:

no firewall

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braniff:

heh could route traffic through one of your other boxes

[02:12:39]

kormoc:

yeah, currently I just do ssh -D to the other box and use it as a proxy

[02:12:45]

kormoc:

it's just a pain

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braniff:

in ubuntu breezy i had a similar problem — until i turned off the firewall with Firestarter

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Dug02:

were can I get v4lctl in a yum repo for fedora core 5?

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Beirdo:

Dug02, that's hardly a topic many people here can help you with. Maybe try somewhere a bit more Fedora-based like #fedora?

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diamon:

kormoc: What brand router?

[02:30:38]

kormoc:

70% of the proc is in iowait...

[02:30:43]

kormoc:

diamon, linksys, wrt 54 g

[02:31:27]

diamon:

kormoc: And the router just won't talk to the myth system?

[02:31:45]

kormoc:

diamon, worst part, it used to work fine, when I rebuilt the mythbox, it just stoped working, aye

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Beirdo:

way to go ;)

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diamon:

Probably a bum route or netmask. Verify the netmask agrees between the router's side and the myth system.

[02:33:56]

kormoc:

both are 255.255.255.0

[02:34:36]

diamon:

And the default route for your myth system is...?

[02:35:06]

diamon:

Route -n and see what has UG in Flags.

[02:35:27]

kormoc:

eth0 and lo...

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Beirdo:

and?

[02:35:51]

kormoc:

yeah...

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Beirdo:

um, only one should be default

[02:36:01]

Beirdo:

and it ain't lo

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kormoc:

yeah... I know...

[02:36:20]

kormoc:

there's eth0 twice even

[02:36:52]

Beirdo:

WTF did you do to the poor machine to merit that mess?

[02:37:03]

kormoc:

http://pastebin.ca/52170

[02:37:17]

kormoc:

I have no idea... default base install, nothing different from my other box...

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Beirdo:

ahh

[02:37:41]

Beirdo:

that's not a default gateway

[02:37:49]

Beirdo:

just a gateway for 127/8

[02:37:55]

Beirdo:

that shouldn't be a problem

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kormoc:

ooh, okay.

[02:38:12]

kormoc:

I still donno why I have the first eth0

[02:38:39]

Beirdo:

the first one says anything in 192.168.1/24 goes out the ethernet with no gateway

[02:38:50]

diamon:

Heh, I bet my PVR-150 works better with the driver installed and loaded... Feh.

[02:38:51]

kormoc:

ahh

[02:38:55]

Beirdo:

the last line says anything else goes out eth0 with gateway 192.168.1.1

[02:39:02]

kormoc:

which is correct

[02:39:16]

Beirdo:

yeah, that looks "normal"

[02:39:40]

kormoc:

well, the other odd thing is, if I reset the router, the net connection works to the outside world for a few seconds (30 or so) before it just stops

[02:39:48]

Beirdo:

hmm

[02:39:57]

Beirdo:

what's the internet connection?

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kormoc:

Comcast Cable 8mbit/768kbit

[02:40:19]

Beirdo:

hmm

[02:40:21]

kormoc:

but the other two machines on the network work fine

[02:40:27]

Beirdo:

Ok, shouldn't be an MTU issue then

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diamon:

Mmm, I LOVE my comcast 8Meg pipe. 1020Kb/sec best bittorrent rate yet, a full meg a second.

[02:40:51]

Beirdo:

you can test to be sure by "ifconfig eth0 mtu 1400"

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kormoc:

kk

[02:41:04]

Beirdo:

see if the troubles go away, but I doubt they will

[02:41:18]

Beirdo:

that's usually a problem most often seen with pppoe setups

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kormoc:

should fix it right away?

[02:41:38]

kormoc:

if it will that is

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Beirdo:

any subsequent connections would have that MTU, yes

[02:41:53]

kormoc:

okay, still can't ping the router

[02:42:16]

Beirdo:

sounds like your wrt54g is being a bitch :)

[02:42:23]

kormoc:

heh, yeah

[02:42:42]

diamon:

Manually down that eth0 interface and bring it back up manually, then do the route for it and all. I bet there's something wrong with its config.

[02:42:44]

Beirdo:

what version is the router?

[02:42:51]

Beirdo:

usually says on the bottom

[02:43:20]

kormoc:

version 2

[02:43:27]

kormoc:

diamon, let me try that...

[02:44:02]

Beirdo:

hmmm, I know that some of the routers around that era do have a stability issue

[02:44:14]

Beirdo:

Linksys may have an updated firmware for it

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kormoc:

newest firmware already :)

[02:44:30]

Beirdo:

K

[02:44:42]

kormoc:

diamon, still seems to be doing the same thing, can't ping the router

[02:45:24]

diamon:

Beirdo: Yeah, linksys is really good about firmware updates.

[02:45:27]

Beirdo:

too bad you don't have openwrt on the router, you could run tcpdump there and see if it sees the packets

[02:45:32]

diamon:

kormoc: But all other systems can?

[02:45:36]

kormoc:

diamon, correct

[02:45:47]

diamon:

And all other systems can ping the myth system?

[02:45:53]

kormoc:

Beirdo, it must, as it allows connections to the other machines...

[02:45:53]

kormoc:

diamon, aye

[02:46:00]

Beirdo:

I wonder if itsn't something... stupid

[02:46:08]

kormoc:

Beirdo, such as?

[02:46:11]

Beirdo:

like a conflicting IP?

[02:46:21]

Zider:

bloody internet.. :P

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kormoc:

all my boxes are static, 192.168.1.1 router, .2 server .3 mythbox .4 desktop

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Beirdo:

hmm

[02:46:54]

Beirdo:

OK

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diamon:

kormoc: Try an arp -an, see what that says for the router's MAC.

[02:47:17]

Beirdo:

that would be a possibility if for some reason something else is on that IP, or that of the router

[02:47:24]

Beirdo:

arp -an would be good :)

[02:47:39]

kormoc:

shows the router and the server

[02:47:58]

diamon:

It shows your local myth system, or some other system?

[02:48:26]

kormoc:

other system .4 my desktop, not my server sorry

[02:48:33]

kormoc:

given I have active ssh session in, it makes sense

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diamon:

Ok, I'm game for that. Hmmm.

[02:49:08]

Beirdo:

and you didn't put any silly rules in the firewall part of the router, I hope?

[02:49:20]

Beirdo:

"block everything from this IP?" :)

[02:49:27]

kormoc:

heh, not at all :)

[02:49:44]

Beirdo:

or use MAC filtering in the router and have the MAC wrong?

[02:50:09]

kormoc:

mac is correct, but I've turned off filtering and encryption with no change

[02:50:31]

kormoc:

the thing is, if the router was actively blocking, I would hope I couldn't ssh in and all that jazz

[02:50:41]

Beirdo:

true enough

[02:51:50]

Beirdo:

something odd is happening, must be

[02:52:17]

Beirdo:

tcpdump on the mythbox doesn't show any odd responses coming back or anything of the sort?

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Beirdo:

like tcpdump -i eth0 ! port 22

[02:53:56]

Beirdo:

hehe

[02:55:41]

kormoc:

nope, nothing returned when tring to ping

[02:55:55]

Beirdo:

OK...

[02:56:06]

Beirdo:

you running iptables on the mythbox?

[02:56:08]

kormoc:

nope

[02:56:18]

Beirdo:

heh, OK, can't be THAT then

[02:56:20]

kormoc:

no iptables/chains/firewall of any sort

[02:56:55]

Beirdo:

I dunno, man

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kormoc:

Yeah, I've sorta just considered it the area I'm in, as wireless has always been flaky around here, but this is just strange

[02:57:52]

Beirdo:

that's absurd :)

[02:58:27]

diamon:

kormoc: Can you put the output of an 'arp -n' 'route -n' and 'ifconfig -a' in a pastebin for me to peek at? This is starting to bug me...

[02:58:41]

kormoc:

diamon, sure

[02:58:46]

Beirdo:

it might simply be a signal level issue

[02:59:26]

Beirdo:

as it will see the other box, but that signal would not be bouncing off the router

[02:59:38]

Beirdo:

it would be going directly between the two

[02:59:45]

kormoc:

Beirdo, it's the only wireless computer, the rest are wired to the router

[02:59:55]

Beirdo:

oooh

[02:59:56]

Beirdo:

heheh

[02:59:59]

Beirdo:

funky

[03:00:07]

kormoc:

diamon, http://pastebin.ca/52178

[03:00:14]

Beirdo:

you don't have spanning tree turned on in the router, do ya?

[03:00:26]

kormoc:

don't think so? it's all default settings

[03:01:08]

Beirdo:

sounds almost like the router somehow thinks the mythbox is out the switch ports or some lame thing

[03:01:47]

kormoc:

Yeah, the weird thing is, on reset, it works for about 30 seconds or so just fine and then just stops, as if it thinks it's okay, and then changes it's mind

[03:01:57]

Beirdo:

yeah

[03:02:05]

Beirdo:

most spanning tree setups are 45s

[03:02:15]

Beirdo:

so that's what made me think of that

[03:02:31]

kormoc:

hrm, what sorta option name would enable them?

[03:02:50]

Beirdo:

eek

[03:03:05]

Beirdo:

been a long time since I looked at linksys config :)

[03:03:15]

Beirdo:

spanning tree would be the obvious

[03:03:27]

diamon:

Linksys doesn't have an option for that, I think it's only on the fully Cisco-branded managed stuff.

[03:03:40]

Beirdo:

heh

[03:03:54]

Beirdo:

funny, it set it in the eeprom for me

[03:03:57]

diamon:

Power off the router, switch, and all computers maybe? Perhaps someone's propogating bad MAC/ARP info somewhere?

[03:03:59]

Beirdo:

no idea how

[03:04:29]

Beirdo:

check the arp tables on the other machines perhaps

[03:04:39]

kormoc:

http://pastebin.ca/52179 <-- linksys wireless settings

[03:04:47]

Beirdo:

if you can ssh to one, it should be working there

[03:05:01]

kormoc:

diamon, I've done the entire power down thing, and that's never changed.

[03:05:06]

diamon:

kormoc: You know, that lo interface's gateway bugs me. Mine doesn't have that.

[03:05:22]

kormoc:

diamon, yeah, my other boxes don't as well

[03:05:22]

Beirdo:

diamon, it shouldn't be an issue

[03:05:30]

diamon:

None of my servers do. Can you check other servers of yours, see if they have that?

[03:05:36]

Beirdo:

it's 127.0.0.0/255.0.0.0

[03:05:48]

kormoc:

arp tables on my other computers show the router and any active ssh sessions, which is correct

[03:05:53]

diamon:

Beirdo: Shouldn't and isn't aren't the same, especially with computers...

[03:05:55]

Beirdo:

but removing that route shouldn't bust anything either

[03:06:52]

Beirdo:

route del -net 127.0.0.0 netmask 255.0.0.0

[03:06:54]

Beirdo:

I think

[03:07:04]

diamon:

Yeah, I lack any route for lo or 127.* entirely, so I'd like to delete that route statement, make it so route -n only shows one interface with 'UG'.

[03:07:20]

kormoc:

kk, done

[03:07:40]

kormoc:

okay...

[03:07:43]

Beirdo:

dunno why it would be an issue, but hell, who knows sometimes

[03:07:46]

kormoc:

the router is responding to pings...

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** kormoc gives lo the evil eye **

[03:07:56]

Beirdo:

WTF?!

[03:07:59]

Beirdo:

OK

[03:08:00]

Beirdo:

heh

[03:08:15]

Beirdo:

that's pretty lame

[03:08:19]

kormoc:

yeah...

[03:08:27]

kormoc:

and I wonder what is causing it

[03:08:43]

Beirdo:

dunno, but at least now you know how to fix it

[03:08:46]

diamon:

Yep, I love me. Beautiful logic capabilities, and yet I make leaps of logic to illogic that may best be called 'gallavanting'... Anyway, so it works?

[03:08:58]

kormoc:

diamon, yeah, seems to be

[03:09:03]

diamon:

Yay!

[03:09:06]

kormoc:

diamon, thank you very much

[03:09:15]

kormoc:

and thank you mr. Beirdo

[03:09:22]

Beirdo:

I don't see any logic to that being the problem, but there it is :)

[03:09:43]

kormoc:

yeah... I wonder if I just have a bad package somewhere

[03:09:57]

Beirdo:

dunno

[03:10:06]

diamon:

No problem. I knew that lo route and gateway bugged me, but to be honest I couldn't see why it'd be a problem either, unless it's a second default gateway. I bet a tcpdump on lo would have had the damndest things back then.

[03:10:07]

Beirdo:

wonder what made that route :)

[03:10:28]

diamon:

Beirdo: Good question...

[03:10:45]

kormoc:

yeah... time to dig into gentoo's net.lo script a bit

[03:13:25]

Beirdo:

!trout gentoo

[03:13:25]

** MythLogBot slaps gentoo with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

[03:13:38]

Beirdo:

my only gentoo box is ALSO being shipped

[03:13:39]

Beirdo:

hehe

[03:14:08]

Beirdo:

and I think I'll likely be decommissioning it

[03:14:23]

Beirdo:

and running asterisk in a vserver on my devel box

[03:14:29]

kormoc:

huh, this version of baselayout has a fallback_route set, that the other two gentoo boxes don't seem to have set...

[03:14:42]

** kormoc ponders if it's just as simple as updateing the baselayout **

[03:14:43]

Beirdo:

kill!

[03:14:46]

Beirdo:

:)

[03:15:06]

kormoc:

heh, it's still cool, as I'm learning new things :)

[03:15:20]

Beirdo:

my fiancee will be proud of me for getting rid of a computer

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

as I won't be using FXO cards anymore, I can easily do this

[03:15:57]

kormoc:

Yeah, I've been wanting to get a 9xx intel proc for my server, so it can just use xen for the web server and friends

[03:16:10]

Beirdo:

I'm using vservers right now

[03:16:19]

Beirdo:

but I might convince myself to switch to xen

[03:16:36]

kormoc:

xen has some... issues

[03:16:37]

Beirdo:

AMD64 for me

[03:16:41]

Beirdo:

yeah

[03:16:46]

kormoc:

but it's nice overall

[03:16:59]

Beirdo:

vservers is pretty much chroots with context separation in the kernel

[03:17:03]

Beirdo:

it goes pretty well

[03:17:47]

kormoc:

nifty

[03:17:56]

Beirdo:

very little overhead

[03:18:06]

kormoc:

so it appears the updated baselayout fixed the issue

[03:18:16]

Beirdo:

and system RAM is shared between all contexts, you don't have to carve your RAM up

[03:18:24]

kormoc:

Yeah, that is annoying bout xen

[03:18:35]

kormoc:

at least it would be nice to be able to change it on the fly

[03:18:54]

Beirdo:

if you want to do guest systems for others to use, xen or vmware's methodology is decent

[03:18:57]

Beirdo:

or UML

[03:19:08]

Beirdo:

but for my own box, whatever... :)

[03:19:15]

kormoc:

heh, fair nuff

[03:19:16]

Beirdo:

vservers works great for my uses

[03:19:33]

kormoc:

my main reason for xen + a 9xx proc is to run xp in a vm

[03:19:41]

Beirdo:

yeah

[03:19:46]

Beirdo:

you could do vmware too

[03:19:55]

Beirdo:

vmware server being free nw

[03:19:57]

Beirdo:

now

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kormoc:

true, vmware requires a 9xx proc for 64 bit oses

[03:20:14]

Beirdo:

heh

[03:20:24]

kormoc:

yeah, I bought vmware tho :P

[03:20:35]

Beirdo:

so did I

[03:20:38]

Beirdo:

years ago

[03:20:48]

Beirdo:

bastards should refund us

[03:20:53]

kormoc:

hehe, yeah

[03:21:27]

Beirdo:

I'm thinking of maybe getting a dedicated server and running xen or vmware, etc on it

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Beirdo:

move stuff off my linode, and some of the stuff (trac) off my devel server

[03:22:03]

Beirdo:

of course, I need womanly approval for the expenditure first :)

[03:22:08]

kormoc:

hehe

[03:22:09]

Beirdo:

my linode is $30/month

[03:22:25]

Beirdo:

the dedi would be about $200/month for the one I'd want

[03:23:03]

Beirdo:

but then we'd have all the space we'd ever want for our gallery

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** kormoc nods **

[03:23:05]

Beirdo:

heh

[03:23:12]

kormoc:

heh, yeah

[03:23:26]

kormoc:

I wish gallery 2 didn't suck so bad

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Beirdo:

the one I want has 2 * 250G SATA RAID1

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Beirdo:

using 3ware card

[03:23:41]

kormoc:

nice

[03:23:44]

Beirdo:

yeah

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dtm:

kormoc: what makes you say it sux

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Beirdo:

and it's dual core

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kormoc:

dtm, I really like the look of my gallery 1 setup, and it just can't seem to duplicate that

[03:24:17]

kormoc:

Beirdo, nifty!

[03:24:22]

Beirdo:

I'm still using gallery1

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dtm:

kormoc: you're just talking about cosmetics?

[03:24:29]

kormoc:

dtm, yeah

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dtm:

oic

[03:24:34]

Beirdo:

yeah, the price is decent for what you get

[03:24:39]

dtm:

kormoc: not about functionality at all?

[03:24:45]

dtm:

not even gui functionality?

[03:24:48]

dtm:

just a skin?

[03:24:52]

kormoc:

dtm, aye

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Beirdo:

unfortunately, the choices are: RHEL3, RHEL4 and winblows

[03:24:55]

Beirdo:

hehe

[03:24:57]

dtm:

k

[03:25:28]

dtm:

what is a 9xx proc

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kormoc:

dtm, I love what it can do, and I would really love to update to get them, but I jsut can't get it to look good, so yeah, given it's reason is to look good, I can't really update

[03:25:39]

diamon:

And now I'm free from work! Time to go play!

[03:25:58]

kormoc:

dtm, a intel 920, 930, or 940 proc

[03:26:13]

dtm:

hmmm

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dtm:

diamon: o/

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kormoc:

dtm, they have hardware virtualization extentions built in, making it really nice for virtual machines

[03:26:34]

** kormoc waves to diamon **

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dtm:

kormoc: what is the functional difference between that and software based virtualization

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diamon:

kormoc: Glad we solved that route problem of yours!

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kormoc:

dtm, greater performance, allowing the sharing of hardware (share the video card with both os's at full speed), things like that

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dtm:

kormoc: oh my. video card? so you'd get 3D performance on two linux instances?

[03:28:40]

kormoc:

dtm, or windows and linux, aye

[03:28:49]

dtm:

kormoc: a 9xx is intel compatible

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dtm:

?

[03:28:59]

kormoc:

dtm, the hardware extentions allows that to be done, and xen is working on implimenting it, but it might take awhile

[03:29:12]

kormoc:

dtm, yeah, it's a intel processor, dual core 64 bit

[03:29:24]

dtm:

oh.

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dtm:

i assume that's what macintosh will move to

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kormoc:

nah, they'll likely move right to the conroe's

[03:30:02]

kormoc:

dtm, http://www.intel.com/products/processor/pentium_D/index.htm

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dtm:

kormoc: does it scale pretty high, to concurrent numbers of virtual machines?

[03:33:34]

kormoc:

dtm, yeah, xen is rather good at scaling, with only a 5% hit or so

[03:34:04]

dtm:

kormoc: i mean, could you run 30 concurrent virtual machines, one per user with thin clients, or what

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dtm:

given a flat 5% cost, maybe more like 5 huh?

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kormoc:

Yeah, it's not really designed for thin client style, but more for the hardware abstraction of servers

[03:35:55]

kormoc:

there is one company I know of which is using xen on all it's servers via a net boot, with many backups, so if a machine goes down, they just toss a backup onto a new box and off it goes, no hardware config needed for the new box or anything

[03:36:04]

dtm:

anyhow, any modern hardware is fast++

[03:36:12]

kormoc:

yeah

[03:36:17]

dtm:

so pffft ;)

[03:36:21]

kormoc:

hehe

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dtm:

it'd be in teh category of performance problems that you'd *want* to have

[03:37:17]

kormoc:

heh, yeah

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plb:

does pvr-150 need firmwire to install ivtv drivers or just pvr-250/350?

[04:05:28]

kormoc:

it needs firmware

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plb:

ok

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plb:

so I just copy all the files to /lib/modules?

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kormoc:

donno, what's the docs say?

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plb:

does anyone use debian unstable?

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diamon:

So I'm upgrading myth from FC3/0.18 to FC4/0.19. For the backup and restore portion that moves my data from my old setup to the new one, will I need to do anything fun to the database dump? Should I do my normal Myth setup stuff first, or just install myth and restore my data/database?

[04:34:54]

kormoc:

restore the database before myth, so myth will update the database

[04:35:50]

diamon:

Hmmm, ok. So just do the initial mysql database setup and password stuff, then restore my database dump?

[04:35:56]

kormoc:

yup

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diamon:

Then do the mythsetup and all after?

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kormoc:

aye

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Cardoe:

hey kormoc

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Cardoe:

Got anything good for me?

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kormoc:

heh, not yet, I'll have it this weekend tho :)

[04:37:12]

kristok:

so I think my database is corrupted, will mysqlcheck "do the right thing" if I tell it to repair the tables?

[04:37:20]

diamon:

Excellent, that's right what I thought I should do, and exactly where I am! Now if only I'd remembered to do my dump before swapping HDD's... Ah well, cable time!

[04:38:08]

diamon:

kristok: Might be a good idea to make a physical copy of the DB before you try. It's no more or less likely to do it right for Myth than anything else... Any idea how it got corrupted? Did you run totally out of space or something?

[04:38:31]

kristok:

diamon: I think i rebooted at while mythfilldatabase was running

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kristok:

the credits, program, and programgenres tables are corrupt

[04:39:11]

diamon:

Huh, that shouldn't corrupt it; mysql being shut down is part of the reboot process...

[04:39:50]

diamon:

Now if you'd pushed reset while mythfill was running, I could see that easy enough.

[04:39:52]

plb:

arghhhhhhh I can't this thing working for nothing

[04:40:30]

anxt:

my db went south too

[04:40:32]

kristok:

yeah, it got reset.

[04:40:32]

diamon:

plb: More description and better syntax is needed to see if I can lend a hand...

[04:40:50]

anxt:

i was thinking of retoring an old backup wo i wouldn't lose all the history of recorded programs

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diamon:

kristok: Oh, that's not good... Copy the database files entirely just in case, run mysqlcheck, and pray a lot.

[04:41:21]

kormoc:

anxt, any data that was newer then the backup, aye

[04:41:22]

plb:

I'm not even sure my tuner card is recognized or not

[04:41:25]

plb:

i dunno

[04:41:35]

plb:

ivtv-tune -c 4 -d /dev/video0

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plb:

Failed to open /dev/video0

[04:41:45]

plb:

I tried different channels

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plb:

same thing

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diamon:

plb: Check dmesg for the ivtv module load section. See if it's unhappy about something.

[04:42:27]

kormoc:

what's dmesg say?

[04:42:40]

plb:

ivtv: Unknown symbol tveeprom_read

[04:42:40]

plb:

ivtv: Unknown symbol tveeprom_hauppauge_analog

[04:42:40]

plb:

ivtv: Unknown symbol tveeprom_read

[04:42:40]

plb:

ivtv: Unknown symbol tveeprom_hauppauge_analog

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diamon:

Check lsmod for the ivtv module, even, make sure it's loaded at all.

[04:43:04]

diamon:

Hmmm, have you run depmod -a since installing the ivtv stuff?

[04:43:09]

plb:

ya

[04:43:26]

diamon:

What distro?

[04:43:32]

plb:

hrm ran it again and modprobed it...

[04:43:35]

plb:

FATAL: Error inserting ivtv (/lib/modules/2.6.16-1–686/ivtv/ivtv.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)

[04:43:37]

plb:

debian unstable

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kristok:

diamon: yeah, i'll back them up. but i think the tables that are bad are just the guide info, not my recorded stuff

[04:44:18]

diamon:

That's probably part of the problem, but oh well. It sounds like it's either missing portions of the ivtv driver, or there's a mismatch between the kernel and ivtv modules.

[04:44:40]

diamon:

kristok: Could be; I'm not clear on what the database tables and sections do.

[04:44:59]

plb:

I'll try installing it from source rather then debian pkg

[04:45:18]

diamon:

plb: That's probably worth a try.

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anxt:

damn this vodka rocks

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diamon:

Mmmm, vodka would be awesome... All that's left here is my roommate's scotch. Ick.

[04:48:44]

anxt:

mysql> drop database mythconverg;

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anxt:

Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.20 sec)

[04:48:52]

anxt:

hah, f__k you databse

[04:49:00]

anxt:

i am dr4inkin now

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anxt:

and getting puchy ;)

[04:49:10]

diamon:

anxt: Err, you feeling ok there? :)

[04:49:11]

anxt:

punchy

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anxt:

diamon, yeah

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anxt:

Check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'DATABASE mythconverg DEFAULT CHARACTER SET latin1' at line 1

[04:50:31]

anxt:

hmm

[04:50:34]

anxt:

bastage

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diamon:

So, to double-check before I get down to it, I'm changing from mysql3 to mysql4 by going from FC3 to FC4. I've given mysql the default myth db template, and I'm about to dump my old 0.18 mysql db, then restore it to the FC4 version of it. Any last-minute suggestions I should have or anything?

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anxt:

4.0.26 isn't liking that command

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anxt:

ALTER

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diamon:

Yay, my yum upgrade finished clean, and rebooting doesn't seem to have shown any errors so far! Let's hope my mojo keeps going with this db dump and restore...

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anxt:

is charset latin1 important to 0.19?

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anxt:

i see only one post on mailing list

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kormoc:

anxt, it's important if your db is set to UTF8

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diamon:

Dunno, I read something about it once but never again; I decided it probably wasn't.

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anxt:

kormoc, i will vhevk that

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anxt:

kormoc, do you happen to know the command to find that out?

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kormoc:

Sadly, when I tested that sql statement, it worked fine in mysql 4.x and 3.x, as per the mysql docs, but a lot of distros just didn't compile in language support

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kormoc:

anxt, it's in your my.cnf

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kormoc:

anxt, usually in /etc/my.cnf or /etc/mysql.my.cnf

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nosun:

I got my pvr working with the PVR-150:)

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anxt:

kormoc, thank you very much

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diamon:

nosun: Yay! I hope you love yours as much as I love mine...

[04:59:43]

kormoc:

anxt, you're welcome

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nosun:

trying to get it to work with 2nd card so can do pic in pic

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nosun:

:)

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anxt:

kormoc, i would assume "language = /usr/share/mysql/english" means language for shell to display, not charset of db?

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diamon:

kormoc: My my.cnf doesn't specify a language. Does it default to utf8?

[05:00:46]

kormoc:

anxt, correct

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kormoc:

diamon, uhh, shouldn't afaik

[05:00:57]

anxt:

diamon, defailt is latin1 as per mysql docs

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nosun:

the 2nd will be a frame grabber as I've heard it called:P

[05:01:03]

diamon:

anxt: Thanks.

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kormoc:

anxt, default-character-set is the setting in my.cnf

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nosun:

after that just tweaks here and there and its gonna be a full time pvr

[05:02:18]

nosun:

:P

[05:02:20]

nosun:

hopefully

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kormoc:

anxt, basically the main issue is utf-8 uses 3 bytes per char, and latin1 uses 1, and we have a key size of 512 or so, 512 * 3 is greater then the max key length of 1024

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anxt:

kormoc, my my.cnf is silent. i am fairly certain it is latin1, so that is likely why command failed out. you need to specify utf8 in configure options to change that behaviour

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diamon:

And now I lurk as I re-cable my original HDD and dump my database, like I should have done before I started. Silly me! :)

[05:03:04]

anxt:

utf-8 is THREE bytes?

[05:03:08]

kormoc:

anxt, no, it's likely that the charset support wasn't compiled in.

[05:03:10]

anxt:

geez i though unicode was two

[05:03:10]

kormoc:

anxt, aye

[05:03:11]

diamon:

anxt: Yep.

[05:03:16]

anxt:

wow

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anxt:

that might fill up my 2gb disk quite quickly!

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kormoc:

hehe, yeah, tho the db is hardly ever that large :)

[05:04:12]

anxt:

but i watch 7 soap operas a day

[05:04:22]

anxt:

and 6 infomercials

[05:04:35]

diamon:

InfoWHAT?!

[05:04:48]

kormoc:

anxt, I bet you're a huge hit at the social partys ;)

[05:05:09]

anxt:

kormoc, oh, yes. if only maw will bring me out on the pallette jack

[05:05:17]

anxt:

since i got mythtv i gained 270 lbs

[05:05:24]

anxt:

i wotch myth and eat KFC

[05:05:37]

anxt:

heh

[05:06:46]

anxt:

haha just occured to me this will be immortalized on the web

[05:06:57]

diamon:

anxt: Probably.

[05:06:58]

anxt:

what a contibution i have been to the community ;)

[05:07:52]

anxt:

it is cool the recordings are no longer called nuv

[05:08:02]

anxt:

my brother moves myth to his psp

[05:08:24]

anxt:

encoding software didn't like .nuv extension (he is on winders)

[05:09:43]

kormoc:

anxt, nuvexport can export to psp format, direct from myth, even renaming the files based on the meta data

[05:10:34]

anxt:

kormoc, i am aware. i just got him to use mythweb to pick his shows. he is a simple sort

[05:10:40]

anxt:

at ;east in computers

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kormoc:

heh, fair nuff

[05:11:41]

anxt:

actually that worked quite slick. he would drop http link into his psp program, and it would encode it right of the server.

[05:11:49]

anxt:

s/of/off

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kormoc:

nifty

[05:12:25]

anxt:

personally i prefer the 30" hdtv i am ircing on atm

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kavorka^:

anyone know when .20 is slated for release?

[05:15:12]

anxt:

you could check the trac page

[05:15:16]

anxt:

likely some time

[05:15:27]

anxt:

kavorka^, i will check for you

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kavorka^:

yeah probably next year huh

[05:16:24]

kormoc:

0.19.1 will be out soon

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anxt:

kavorka^, no date set. 84 active tickets.

[05:16:34]

anxt:

so no time soon kavorka^

[05:16:36]

kavorka^:

cool thx

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kormoc:

and could be say, 3 months or 3 years or 3 decades

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anxt:

i am am too shitty a programmer to take a ticket ;)

[05:17:07]

kavorka^:

so a ticket is a bug or a request?

[05:17:36]

anxt:

either

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anxt:

http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/query?status=close . . . lestone=0.20

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kavorka^:

well i cant see any new extra features that a required..its pretty good the way it is...they just need to clean up the bugs and make it faster

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anxt:

kavorka^, i thought about hacking in support for my non stanrd audio card. to control "mixer" from mythvolume

[05:20:08]

anxt:

i might do that later this summer

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anxt:

i dunno if it would help more than 4 ppl though so i am not super excited to bother

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anxt:

mythmusic export to ipod would be cool

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kavorka^:

yep

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anxt:

that i also though about, but i don't have an ipod

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anxt:

like to dump a playlist out to ipod

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anxt:

send me an ipod and i will work on it ;)

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mindwarp_:

Hi there, I'm a newbie to MythTv (Knoppmyth v.R5B7) and having an issue with mythweather, it appears to freeze on entering the setup. Is there a .conf file I can modify to set location paramteres etc?

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kavorka^:

cant u do it via the setup menu?

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mindwarp_:

It freezes on entering there...does not seem to do anything...though hitting ESC lots seems to get me out after a few minutes

[05:33:54]

mindwarp_:

Was working ok in an old attempt some time ago to get it going

[05:34:20]

mindwarp_:

rest of gui seems to work ok ???

[05:34:49]

mindwarp_:

need to check log I guess

[05:36:20]

kavorka^:

u sure u have an internet connection?

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kavorka^:

mine freezes when it cant update..ie a broken link etc

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mindwarp_:

just checked log...invalid ID or server error...hmm

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kavorka^:

there u go

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mindwarp_:

so how do I fix that? :-)

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kavorka^:

assuming u have an up maybe your location code is wrong or something

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mindwarp_:

internet connection is ok

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kavorka^:

pick a different locale and see if it works

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kavorka^:

up=ip*

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mindwarp_:

cant if setup wont let me...Is there a config file I can modify?

[05:39:50]

kavorka^:

how can it not let u? go into setup and change location?

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mindwarp_:

hmm...will give it a look...BRB

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kavorka^:

with the config it would have to be in the myth database

[05:41:23]

mindwarp_:

did you mean via the gui or console RE: setup?

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kavorka^:

gui

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kavorka^:

no the config would have to be via mysql if u wanted to hack it

[05:44:05]

mindwarp_:

thats my problem (gui)...locks on entering mythweather setup...just left for a bit and popped up with Myth unable to retrieve your weather..guess due to location issue...mmm not sure on the hack mysql. I'm a bit on the low side of the learning curve.

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kavorka^:

well let it time out, then u shoyld be able to change locale etc

[05:45:23]

mindwarp_:

has option to cancel or ok with escalating timeouts each time you press ok

[05:45:30]

diamon:

mindwarp: Yeah, mine behaved like that until I set it up correctly. I just had to wait for it to time out and then do its setup.

[05:46:59]

kavorka^:

anyone have issues with mythgame not finding any roms?

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mindwarp_:

ok just tried pressing ok...though it just pops straight backu up again with extened timeout....we are now up to 99757...jeezuz...not leetting me out aargh

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diamon:

mindwarp: Isn't there a cancel option there?

[05:48:47]

diamon:

If nothing else, try ctrl-break maybe?

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mindwarp_:

when hitting cancel takes me back to info setting screen

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kavorka^:

and u dont have a firewall blocking it or something? no idea what protocol or port it would use to update

[05:49:28]

j3g:

i am having trouble setting up a hauppauge 150 mce... xawtv isn't showing anything up, and tvtime says: card failed to allocate capture buffers: invalid argument

[05:49:38]

j3g:

i am just modprobing ivtv

[05:49:55]

j3g:

is there any additional configuration that must be done/

[05:50:07]

mindwarp_:

I do have a firewall...if its doing http get should not have an issue

[05:51:06]

mindwarp_:

I assume it is as getting info via weather channel ???

[05:51:07]

kavorka^:

well i think its http

[05:51:32]

mindwarp_:

I can surf from the box without a hitch

[05:51:33]

kavorka^:

but try turning it off for a minute and try ahain

[05:51:36]

kavorka^:

again*

[05:52:04]

mindwarp_:

hmm will take another look in log

[05:52:53]

mindwarp_:

I think the ID is wrong for a start...though not sure how to modify that

[05:55:06]

mindwarp_:

I tried going into mythweather and typing in a US zip code...that did not work either

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mindwarp_:

just found this on the web... http://tinyurl.com/hazv6 checking out now

[06:06:47]

diamon:

Man, I really wish I'd dumped my database *before* swapping the HDD out. :P Having the data handy would probably be ever-so-much faster... Ah well.

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mindwarp_:

there ya go... :-)

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diamon:

mindwarp: So what was wrong and how did you fix it?

[06:11:29]

mindwarp_:

Aint fixed it yet...plan to modify the DB with that last stuff I found..willl let you know BRB

[06:11:39]

diamon:

k!

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j3g:

anyone here got a mce 150 hauppauge working on linxu?

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mindwarp_:

arrgh windows!

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diamon:

j3g: Not MCE, but a normal one, what's up?

[06:18:11]

diamon:

mindwarp: So, any luck?

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j3g:

diamon: i can't find where in the kernel config to enable cx25840

[06:22:22]

j3g:

diamon: oh i found it :) support for additional

[06:22:25]

j3g:

rebooting

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j3g:

rebooting

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mindwarp_:

diamon, no luck yet still...sory got interupted...

[06:26:15]

diamon:

No worry, I'm still futzing with my systeem to get my myth videos and database copied off to my USB HDD. Even for USB2 200+GB of stuff takes juuuust a bit of time.

[06:30:27]

diamon:

Especially if you hit the reset button with your knee as you stand up... Arrgh.

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diamon:

j3g: Any better?

[06:31:09]

j3g:

diamon: I am getting card failed to allocate capture buffers on tvtime and no image on xawtv :(

[06:31:17]

j3g:

diamon: it is as it was before

[06:31:36]

diamon:

j3g: Do lsmod and see if ivtv is even loaded. If not, do modprobe ivtv and check dmesg for info.

[06:32:49]

diamon:

Formatting 300Gb drives over usb2 is more painful than I'd expected... All in a good cause though, more space for MythTV!

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diamon:

Love the LVM, instant additional space!

[06:33:28]

j3g:

it seems that it needs eeprom modules as well :) let me try that

[06:33:30]

j3g:

diamon:

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diamon:

j3g: What distro, by the way?

[06:34:29]

j3g:

diamon: gentoo

[06:34:44]

diamon:

Ah, no idea there.

[06:34:45]

j3g:

i had it working before with a bt878 card

[06:34:58]

j3g:

it's no problem :) i'm compiling the things the ivtv module needs

[06:35:05]

diamon:

You'll love the quality difference once you get that PVR-150 working...

[06:35:54]

diamon:

I tried a BT878 to mess with Myth, realized what it could do and went out to pick up a PVR-150 in less than a day. Now I need a PVR-500 for the dual tuners...

[06:39:19]

diamon:

Wow, my mythconverg database is 127Mb by itself. Bigger than I had expected!

[06:41:03]

j3g:

diamon: still no luck :(

[06:41:09]

j3g:

diamon: i'm getting this: http://pastebin.com/688245

[06:41:12]

j3g:

diamon: which seems fine

[06:42:35]

diamon:

Yep, that looks fine to me. Do you have a /dev/video* device?

[06:42:43]

j3g:

yes 3

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j3g:

vide0/video24/video32

[06:43:06]

diamon:

k, and it says it allocated the memory for all the functions... Hmmm.

[06:43:31]

** diamon ponders. **

[06:45:12]

diamon:

Try a 'cat /dev/video > /tmp/test-capture.mpg', count to 10, then do ctrl-c and see what size the file is.

[06:45:28]

diamon:

Are you NTSC, PAL, or what standard?

[06:45:43]

j3g:

PAL

[06:45:49]

j3g:

if did that cat

[06:45:55]

j3g:

the video plays static

[06:46:07]

diamon:

Like regular TV snow?

[06:46:17]

j3g:

yes

[06:46:27]

j3g:

close to it

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diamon:

That's a decent sign at least. tvtime still fails?

[06:46:42]

j3g:

yes

[06:46:47]

diamon:

Whatever TV app you're using to test, I mean.

[06:46:57]

j3g:

xawtv doesn't complaing about anything.. but shows a black screen

[06:47:07]

j3g:

i am using tvtime + xawtv

[06:48:11]

diamon:

Aha! Line 19, "tveeprom 3–0050: TV standards NTSC(M) (eeprom 0x08)". It's not set to PAL. That'd be our issue here I think.

[06:48:31]

j3g:

it even sounds like static

[06:49:02]

j3g:

hmm usually when I try playing pal as if it were ntsc I just get a bw image

[06:49:08]

j3g:

but i did try changing the standard

[06:49:40]

diamon:

Try 'ivtvctl -u 0xff', ivtvctl -p 4(the # may vary for your input and card), and ivtvctl -f width=720,height=576 then do that cat test again.

[06:50:30]

diamon:

There's some tuner control script available as well, to set channels, but I forget what it's called.

[06:50:40]

j3g:

ivtvctl -f width=720,height=576

[06:50:42]

j3g:

ops

[06:50:56]

diamon:

Aha! ptune-ui.pl!

[06:51:20]

j3g:

i did try setting the chan

[06:51:22]

diamon:

That's from my FC4/atrpm's Myth build, YMMV and all.

[06:51:30]

j3g:

ivtv-tune --freqtable=us-bcast --channel=10

[06:51:47]

diamon:

Change the standard, set the input, set the rez, THEN set the channel and try that cat /dev/video test capture again.

[06:51:52]

SlicerDicer-:

has anybody had it so mythtv just loses the recording data?

[06:51:57]

SlicerDicer-:

errrm not recording data

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SlicerDicer-:

upcoming recordings data

[06:52:07]

SlicerDicer-:

it just keeps blanking out

[06:52:21]

diamon:

Slicer: Upcoming stuff? Nope, haven't seen that.

[06:52:22]

j3g:

now instead of static i get a perfectly black screen

[06:52:30]

SlicerDicer-:

I restart myth with /etc/init.d/mythbackend restart and its fine

[06:52:44]

diamon:

j3g: Then try another input, the -p 4 thingy. SOme are 1, a few are 2, etc.

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j3g:

diamon: trying

[06:53:15]

diamon:

j3g: And I think a freqtable of us-bcast implies NTSC, are you sure your TV area uses that standard?

[06:54:10]

diamon:

slicer: That's odd. I'd check the system logs to see if there's something freaky going on in there.

[06:55:04]

j3g:

diamon: that's what I used with the bttv878... i think the freqtable is not related to ntsc/pal encoding.. just a freq-table

[06:55:28]

j3g:

i tried changing the -p to 1 thru 5 only getting the black screen

[06:55:31]

j3g:

then I changed to 0

[06:55:33]

j3g:

and got static again

[06:57:14]

diamon:

j3g: Could be, I can't recall. My brain's kinda getting melty at the edges... Let me try to think again.

[06:59:14]

diamon:

Arrr-har! "ivtv0: i2c attach to card #0 ok [client=(tuner unset), addr=61]" It doesn't know the tuner type. You'll probably need to find out what it really is and set it via an option to the ivtv module.

[06:59:29]

diamon:

Man, I am tired if I didn't spot that last time I read that pastebin.

[07:00:40]

diamon:

j3g: Line 29 says it knows the tuner, but the line 14 leads me to think it's only guessing. Or worse; the card is NTSC and has an NTSC tuner or something hideous.

[07:01:22]

j3g:

it's pal-m ... the hauppauge cards that support ntsc also support pal-m ... they just don't support other pal formats

[07:03:08]

diamon:

Ah, nifty to know! I'm still thinking you'll need to verify your actual tuner type and probably set one manually.

[07:03:15]

SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: you here buddy?

[07:05:48]

diamon:

j3g: Ok, my brain's totally melting down, I don't know how much more help (or lack thereof!) I can be...

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j3g:

diamon: how does your dmesg init ivtv looks like?

[07:14:05]

diamon:

j3g: I can't do a pastebin of it right now, my system's got its guts torn all out at the moment to copy data from my previous hdd...

[07:15:12]

diamon:

I think mine had a few extra lines and the tuner was totally unrelated, but it was pretty much the same.

[07:15:43]

diamon:

Oh yeah, my extra lines were for the remote, that's it.

[07:17:27]

diamon:

I can't even check my logs and do it manually, my 200-ish gig copy of my recordings is in progress, and I've started the system in single-user mode.

[07:17:48]

j3g:

hehe ok

[07:17:52]

j3g:

i'll try using ptune

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** diamon has officially degenerated to totally useless! Yay! **

[07:20:09]

diamon:

Yep, my brain has finally packed up and gone on vacation without me. It's really way past my bedtime.

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LLyric:

Do I need to do anything to myth, when I enabled console framebuffer, which moved ivtv-fb from fb0 to fb1?

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possie:

hi

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Juski:

jesus I just watched a MCE demo video... hell their UI is spiffy

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LLyric:

Juski: what's so good about it? Anything "we" can't emulate?

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LLyric:

url?

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Juski:

LLyric: it's on the alienware website

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Juski:

just the menu transitions & the cool 3d stuff

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Juski:

looks like they've not used bitmaps for their theming

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possie:

Juski, have you seen Apples frontrow ?

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Juski:

yeh I have possie – that's very spiffy too

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Juski:

I'm not saying I'd ever go over to the dark side, but I can see the attraction. It's not all about eyecandy though

[09:01:28]

Juski:

I might try SVN to see what the new UI stuff looks like

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** LLyric kicks his machine in the nads. udev is timing out on startup sometimes, rendering ivtv broken. Fook. **

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possie:

Juski, you also use hauppage card?

[09:05:31]

Juski:

possie: I have a PVR150

[09:07:09]

possie:

Juski, i've just got a PVR 500

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bookwood:

anybody from germany here that has got the de_tvtoday_grab script from xmltv to work?

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Neeesat25:

Can some one explain how I add games in xmame?

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Neeesat25:

I have install it by make and make install

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Neeesat25:

within Myth I can go to mythgames but I cant see any game in the list

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Neeesat25:

Anyone using mythgame?

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Hoxzer:

is it possible to manually "target" tv_grab_fi for certain channels, as now TV_grab_fi works only for manual channels altough DVB channels have same program guide

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Hoxzer:

:E my backend doesn't crash if I dont use EIT

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elprespufferfish:

Hello. When i try to go to the program guide from the menu, i get "UIImageType::LoadImage() – Cannot find image: /root/.mythtv/channels/espn_30.jpg" and it takes a very long time to load the guide

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elprespufferfish:

going to the guide from livetv also takes a long time, but does not give that error

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elprespufferfish:

the guide is also very slow to scroll down

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LLyric:

eleazar123: the first error message is because you haven't downloaded an icon for that channel

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LLyric:

And the guide slowness may be because of video/hardware issue. Is the guide (from the schedule->programguide) any faster?

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elprespufferfish:

LLyric, assuming that was for me, i have espn_30.jpg in that directory

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elprespufferfish:

and this all USED to work( like 2 days ago ). i was stupid and deleted my database though , so i effectively had to reinstall

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LLyric:

You're running myth as root? Ick. Also, check it's actually a jpeg

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elprespufferfish:

its running as mythtv, i think

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elprespufferfish:

whatever gentoo defaults as

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LLyric:

presumably user mythtv can't read /root/.mythtv/channels/espn_30.jpg

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elprespufferfish:

that would seem reasonable

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LLyric:

I don't know about gentoo in particular

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LLyric:

Those urls are configured in the channels

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Hoxzer:

How do I hit a women?

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elprespufferfish:

ugh,it comes to my attention that my iconmap is empty

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elprespufferfish:

and that mkiconmap.pl isnt working

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jvs:

hey, just upgraded my kernel because of alsa issues, recompiled all necessary modules and now I get no signal any more

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jvs:

this is what ivtv gives me

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jvs:

"tuner 1–0061: tuner type not set"

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jvs:

I'm on gentoo (ivtv-0.4.2)

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jvs:

the alsa issues are gone though :P

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Juski:

jvs: won't you have to rebuild ivtv because you've upgraded your kernel?

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jvs:

Juski, I did

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jvs:

its all fine, the modules load without any probs

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Juski:

oops... missed that part sorry – still not up to speed today

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jvs:

np

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Juski:

what did you upgrade the kernel to?

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jvs:

it can't be that my tuner is not supported since it worked before

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Juski:

>2.6.16 needs ivtv 6.x.x

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jvs:

gentoo-2.6.16-r3

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Juski:

sorry ivtv 0.6.x

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jvs:

I will need ivtv 0.6.x?

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Juski:

yeps

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jvs:

0.4.2 only supports till 2.6.15?

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Beirdo:

didn't I just ask the same question a different way?

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defi:

Anyone know the status on the patch for the "select timeout – ivtv has stopped responding" bug?

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jvs:

Beirdo, huh?

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Juski:

jvs: check www.ivtvdriver.org

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jvs:

already there :)

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jvs:

I overread the ">"

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Beirdo:

well time for me to go get coffee and stuff

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jvs:

k, I'm going back to an older kernel

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jvs:

until a new ivtv is in portage

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Juski:

jvs: building ivtv was pretty easy, i thought

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jvs:

it is

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Juski:

I'm on gentoo & I didn't even think to use portage

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jvs:

but I would have to change the kernel config, wouldn't I?

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Juski:

jvs: it's no big deal to reconfigure the kernel...

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Juski:

but I doubt you'd have to if you built it properly in the first place

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jvs:

lemme check if it works using the older kernel first

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jvs:

I just wanted to get my joypads working and solve an alsa problem

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jvs:

chances are good I need to use the 2.6.16 kernel anyway

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Juski:

true

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Juski:

it solved yer alsa problem.. so which do you want working properly? some or all of it? ;-)

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jvs:

nah, k

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jvs:

Juski, gimme a minute :P

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jvs:

...unmergin ivtv-0.4.2

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** jvs reboots **

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** jvs looks at Juski **

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** Zider looks at Juski **

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jvs:

k, disk check

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jvs:

75%...

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jvs:

77%...

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jvs:

ooookkkkaaayyy

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jvs:

lirc and ivtv are dead

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Juski:

that was a slow unmerge

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jvs:

I'm alread on 0.6.1

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Juski:

ah

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jvs:

what cards do you use?

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Juski:

how do you mean 'dead', jvs? dead as in not installed anymore, or not working dead?

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jvs:

not working

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Juski:

jvs: 2 Dvb-t tuners and a pvr150

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jvs:

do I need bt848 support in kernel?

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Juski:

jvs: your kernel mustn't have the modules that ivtv used to include in 0.4.x

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Juski:

jvs: time to read the 0.6.x documentation I reckon

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Juski:

you'll need msp3400 & stuff compiled as modules I think

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Juski:

msp3400, tveeprom, saa7115, tda9887, tuner ...

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defi:

Anyone know the status on the patch for the "select timeout – ivtv has stopped responding" bug?

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jvs:

yeah

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jvs:

thanks Juski

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Juski:

jvs: no problem :-)

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Juski:

defi: you tried looking at svn.mythtv.org?

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Juski:

or reading the dev-commits archive?

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defi:

sort of but I dont know what to do

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defi:

I have never used that system before

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Juski:

defi: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/9193

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Juski:

grab yourself a copy of 0.19-fixes & compile it as described in the mythtv.org documentation (or the wiki)

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defi:

hmm that easy hugh

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Juski:

prolly not, but YMMV

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Juski:

depends if you've ever built mythtv by yourself before or not I guess

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defi:

I use gentoo so I was thinking I could just add those lines to that lib and recompile

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Juski:

bit of a hacky way to do it, but it might work

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Juski:

but I think emerge will just grab fresh sources unless you use an option in the emerge command – can't remember which one it is right now

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Juski:

anyway it's time for me to go to the barbers

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Juski:

<afk>

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defi:

thanks

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jvs:

Juski, will I need SAA7134 in kernel?

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jvs:

hmm

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jvs:

I got no tveeprom.ko now

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Zider:

in kernel or as module should work just as well

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jvs:

Zider, I got these error messages about tveeprom_read and/or tveeprom_hauppauge_analog beeing unknown symbol

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jvs:

found it in the troubleshooting guide

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jvs:

umm...Solution: cd ivtv/v4l-kernel; make distclean

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jvs:

I have no v4l-kernel ?!

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jvs:

hmmm...

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jvs:

where should v4l-kernel reside?

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Disconnect:

anyone using the imon dpad successfully? I just got the silverstone 16m with it built in, and the remote works fine with off-the-shelf configs, but the dpad doesn't. I can't even get irrecord to learn anything that lirc/irw will later recognize. (Every now and then it'll see a dpad_south but thats about it)

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jvs:

Juski, well, nothing works :/

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jvs:

that has been a bad idea

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k-man_:

what are some good two player games for mythgame?

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jvs:

k-man, bomberman

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Zider:

I wish masterblaster was opensourced and ported.. :P

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jvs:

heh

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k-man_:

masterblaster?

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Zider:

bomberman-inspired game..

[14:14:17]

Zider:

faster, more fun..

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Zider:

we used to have masterblaster-contests on the parties I went to when I was younger :)

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k-man_:

cool

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blafd:

afternoon all.

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k-man_:

it says there is a freeware clone called dynablaster

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k-man_:

hi blafd

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** blafd hobbles off to download Fc4 cd2 ;/ **

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blafd:

boy was i pissed when i found out you couldnt install it properly with out it

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k-man_:

any other two player games you can think of?

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Zider:

k-man_: dynablaster = bomberman :P

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k-man_:

oh

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k-man_:

i see

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jvs:

oh man

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jvs:

why did I have to listen to juski

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blafd:

was it here that i saw the flow chart for all the distrubtions

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Zider:

flow chart..?

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jvs:

blafd, you mean the origins of the distributions?

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blafd:

yeah it showed all the distrubutions and there off spring

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jvs:

that ubuntu evolved out of debian

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jvs:

and so on?

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blafd:

thats the one

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blafd:

and debian begat knoppix

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blafd:

hehhe

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jvs:

I need to get after Juski

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blafd:

anyway i just need for the letter ive made for averemdia

[14:24:16]

blafd:

their educational suppliments

[14:24:26]

jvs:

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3370/2500/ . . . atedw4.0.jpg

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blafd:

wooot

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jvs:

what one?

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hashbang:

SuSE is actually derived from slackware, and that from SLS, IIRC.

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jvs:

*that

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hashbang:

Slackware

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hashbang:

and Mandrake/Mandriva was originally derived from RH, as was Fedora

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jvs:

where does the hotplug director reside in gentoo?

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Zider:

hotplug has been completely replaced by udev now, hasn't it?

[14:29:35]

bookwood:

Zider: nope. Hotplug has been replaced by coldplug

[14:29:45]

bookwood:

jvs: equery f hotplug

[14:29:57]

bookwood:

jvs: equery f coldplug

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Zider:

bookwood: oh? because udev conflicted with hotplug not too long ago

[14:30:22]

bookwood:

jvs: /usr/lib/hotplug

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jvs:

I found it

[14:30:35]

jvs:

thanks

[14:30:37]

bookwood:

Zider: :) hotplug is sort of unmaintained in linux

[14:30:42]

bookwood:

I mean, in gentoo

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jvs:

I does not exist

[14:31:23]

jvs:

I will have to create it

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bookwood:

jvs: yes

[14:31:38]

bookwood:

well

[14:31:39]

bookwood:

wait

[14:31:47]

bookwood:

jvs: do you have hotplug installed?

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jvs:

bookwood, yeah

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bookwood:

jvs: what do you need hotplug for in the first place?

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jvs:

ivtv firmware

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bookwood:

ok

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bookwood:

jvs: did you read the ivtv howto for gentoo?

[14:32:58]

jvs:

Juski tricked me into upgrading to 0.6.1

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bookwood:

jvs: hm

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Zider:

!tricked"?

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Zider:

"

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bookwood:

jvs: what kernel do you use?

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jvs:

2.6.16-r3

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bookwood:

jvs: if you use 2.6.15 and below, you can co with ther ivtv 4.x

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jvs:

thats why I need the new drivers

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bookwood:

ok

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jvs:

bookwood, I did so before

[14:33:47]

bookwood:

kernel 2.6.16 requires 0.6 and above

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jvs:

but I had some serious alsa issues

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bookwood:

have you got the gentoolkit package installed?

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jvs:

yeah

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bookwood:

jvs: alsa issues?

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Zider:

jvs: you know, the latest alsa drivers can be installed on older kernels

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jvs:

bookwood, I have two sound cards

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bookwood:

Zider: install the alsa stuff by emerging alsa-driver and take the modules out of the kernel

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bookwood:

jvs: so do I!

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jvs:

both use the same module

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jvs:

one has a gameport, one has none

[14:35:28]

jvs:

one has a SPDIF-Out, one has not

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bookwood:

bookwood: that's not a problem, as far as I know. You just have to set both in the config

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jvs:

talking to yourself?

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bookwood:

jvs: so you wanna use SPDIF-out?

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jvs:

bookwood, I am using it

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bookwood:

jvs: oh, sorry I meant jvs:

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jvs:

:)

[14:36:06]

bookwood:

jvs: so do I

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Zider:

bookwood: exactly

[14:36:21]

bookwood:

do you use a asoundrc file?

[14:36:38]

bookwood:

ok, what is your sound issue?

[14:36:47]

jvs:

asound.conf

[14:37:15]

bookwood:

on my box, I had to create an .asounrc file in my homedirectory

[14:37:28]

jvs:

did not work for me

[14:37:47]

jvs:

however

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bookwood:

jvs: so what is your actual problem with sound?

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jvs:

I could only record in mono and 8000Hz, and was not able to use the gameport

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bookwood:

jvs: h m

[14:38:45]

bookwood:

did you use the drivers provided by the kernel, or those deliverd with the alsa-driver package?

[14:38:51]

jvs:

after upgrading the gameport did work again

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jvs:

bookwood, kernel

[14:39:09]

bookwood:

jvs: the ones outside are much more up to date

[14:39:23]

jvs:

I had problems from the beginning with those from the package

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Zider:

jvs: why not just use an old kernel, that works with ivtv, and use the alsa-driver package for sound?

[14:39:36]

jvs:

I think this has something to do with the fact that both need the same module

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bookwood:

jvs: that is actually the reason why most gentoo people install the package instead of using the in-kernel drivers

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bookwood:

jvs: hm

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Zider:

the alsa in kernel is the exact same as alsa-driver, only slightly older :P

[14:40:26]

bookwood:

jvs: I really suggest, you use the alsa-driver package first and see what happens

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bookwood:

read the gentoo-wiki.com alsa stuff and even more important, the alsa doc provided by the gentoo-documentation

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jvs:

I always can return to the old kernel

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jvs:

I still have it :)

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bookwood:

jvs: as for the hotplug stuff, just issue: equery f hotplug and see wher it has its libs

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jvs:

k

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jvs:

equery told me to look in /usr/lib/hotplug

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bookwood:

jvs: on my system it returns this: http://pastebin.com/688645

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Zider:

woo, I have got hold of masterblaster :D

[14:44:08]

bookwood:

and in it you should have a directory called firmware

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bookwood:

there you put your stuff

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jvs:

right

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jvs:

:D

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jvs:

k

[14:51:17]

jvs:

doesnt work though

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jvs:

so, its not /usr/lib/firmware

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jvs:

so, its not /usr/lib/hotplug/irmware

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jvs:

I mean

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jvs:

*firmware

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bookwood:

hm

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jvs:

I restarted hotplug

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jvs:

ivtv0: did you put the firmware in the hotplug firmware directory?

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bookwood:

hm

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bookwood:

reemerge hotplug

[14:54:18]

bookwood:

mabe that works

[14:54:28]

bookwood:

and use coldplug

[14:54:33]

bookwood:

USE COLDPLUG :)

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bookwood:

emerge coldplug && rc-update del hotplug && rc-update add coldplug boot

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jvs:

thats what I did right now :D

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jvs:

hmm

[14:57:17]

bookwood:

:)

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jvs:

ok, did not help

[14:58:22]

jvs:

ivtv0: Failed to load module saa7115

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jvs:

ivtv0: unable to open firmware v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw

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jvs:

probably you are right and should stick to an older kernel :/

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bookwood:

jvs: hm

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bookwood:

wait a little

[15:00:02]

bookwood:

let me google for this

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Zider:

can lirc send keyboard commands to applications that doesn't have lirc support?

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bookwood:

btw, the saa7115 are not firmware modules

[15:00:41]

bookwood:

and belong into the right directory

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Zider:

jvs: it looks like you're missing a firmware file.. :P

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bookwood:

jvs: that is, you copy them over to the location where your inkernel drivers for bttv etc. are

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Zider:

"The firmware is provided in the windows driver, and needs to be extracted from there"

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Zider:

not even two minutes of googling found that.. ;)

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bookwood:

jvs: you are installing everything manually? withouth an ebuild?

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jvs:

Zider, what do you think I did the last 10 minutes?

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jvs:

extracting firmware and following the guide on ivtvdriver.org

[15:03:23]

Zider:

jvs: did you google for the filename that it can'? find?

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jvs:

play some more masterblaster :P

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Zider:

;)

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Zider:

I haven't set uae up yet

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Zider:

is the file in /lib/modules ?

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Zider:

or rather, have you tried that?

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jvs:

wait a moment

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jvs:

the firmware dir is /lib/firmware

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UBL:

Zider, yes lirc can do that

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Zider:

and it doesn't find it there anyway?

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Zider:

UBL: goodie

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jvs:

Zider, want to close zsnes?

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Zider:

jvs: what?

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bookwood:

a shame one cannot play zsnes withought a joystick

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jvs:

Zider, zsnes has no native lirc support, which sucks since you cannot close it using the remote

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bookwood:

at least, I didn't manage to do so

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jvs:

bookwood, why not?

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Zider:

jvs: who said anything about zsnes..?

[15:07:23]

jvs:

bookwood, sure you can

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jvs:

Zider, me

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bookwood:

jvs: I had this cool boxing game but I the keyboard was too stupid

[15:07:43]

Zider:

that made you comment it I mean

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bookwood:

jvs: I had a lot of problems with it

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jvs:

I was having the same questions as you, because of this fact

[15:08:22]

Zider:

no, I need to be able to close UAE somehow

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UBL:

you can bind a remote key to a small shell script to kill zsnes

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jvs:

linux does support m$ sidewinder, so you can connect four gamepads using one gameport

[15:10:05]

jvs:

well, meanwhile you simply could connect gamepads over usb

[15:10:05]

Zider:

jvs: so, you have put the file in /lib/firmware, right? checked that the filename is correct? restarted hotplug?

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jvs:

Zider, it now freezes when loading the firmware :(

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Zider:

jvs: okay, well at least it finds it :P

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bookwood:

jvs: check out dmesg with dmesg | grep ivtv

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jvs:

bookwood, how?

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bookwood:

see what it says

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bookwood:

dmesg | grep ivtv

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jvs:

it is stuck in the bootprocess

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Zider:

UBL: so it doesn't send any key command to the active window or something?

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bookwood:

oooooooooh

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UBL:

yes it can

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bookwood:

jvs: if that continues (which I'm sure it will) start the kernel with the option 1

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Zider:

I might be getting a new TV card with remote next week or so.. :D

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bookwood:

jvs: like: kernel /linux-2.6.11 1

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jvs:

k

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jvs:

hmm

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bookwood:

I'll be back in a minute

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Zider:

I'm off to find some food, and to try out uae.. :P

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Zider:

*gone*

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bookwood:

jvs: how far did ya get?

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jvs:

not far :)

[15:17:33]

jvs:

just put in the livecd

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bookwood:

jvs: didn't the trick with the kernel-command work for you?

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bookwood:

the grub command-line option given to the kernel

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bookwood:

jvs: if I was you i'd just start with the older kernel that is still lying around then, I would reinstall the kernel-modules with make modules_install and then reboot back to the 2.6.16er kernel

[15:21:57]

bookwood:

I assume you know how to change the kernel from withing grub ... otherwise you are out of luck

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bookwood:

within*

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jvs:

umm

[15:23:03]

jvs:

well

[15:23:09]

jvs:

removed ivtv from autload

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bookwood:

jvs: just use the older kernel until someone updates the ivtv ebuild to work for 2.6.16er kernels

[15:24:02]

jvs:

yeah

[15:24:26]

jvs:

wasted 4 hours on that now :(

[15:24:55]

jvs:

well, lets get an older kernel

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bookwood:

yep, its like bumping your head against the wall! That's something the ebuild-writer need to take care of

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jvs:

then celebrate :)

[15:25:27]

Juski:

re

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jvs:

hmm

[15:25:36]

bookwood:

I just switched from kde-3.4 to 3.5

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jvs:

now its stuck when coldplugging pci devices 8)

[15:25:57]

bookwood:

that is really a big difference in terms of look and feel

[15:26:17]

jvs:

hmm, I need to try it

[15:26:23]

bookwood:

kde-3.5?

[15:26:27]

jvs:

yeah

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Juski:

jvs: just scrolled up & seen ivtv couldn't find the firmware. I had that problem so now I have it in /lib/modules _and_ /lib/firmware

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Juski:

I dunno which one is loaded though – and never had time to figure it out

[15:26:59]

bookwood:

I waited so long for this to become stable but I just gave up on it. so I switched to testing but its pretty stable

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jvs:

hmm..

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jvs:

will try

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Juski:

jvs: did you back up the old kernel before copying the new one over to your boot partition?

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jvs:

Juski, sure

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Juski:

jvs: good!

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jvs:

but there is a newer 2.6.15 in portage

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jvs:

I will try that

[15:28:12]

jvs:

but first I'll try your suggestion

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jvs:

and copy it over to /lib/modules

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jvs:

but I think this will not change anything

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Juski:

if the machine isn't booting then your kernel really is borked

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Juski:

I mean if it gets as far as loading coldplug then hangs... pffft

[15:29:24]

bookwood:

Juski: the firmware made my kernel freeze during bootup on SUSE

[15:29:24]

Juski:

;-)

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Juski:

yeh, but SUSE isn't the best kind of distro for mythtv really

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bookwood:

Juski: the 4.xer Ebuilds on gentoo work fine though

[15:30:04]

Juski:

apart from the fact it's bloated as hell...

[15:30:08]

bookwood:

Juski: Yeah, I found this out the hard way

[15:30:20]

bookwood:

Juski: I am a long-time gentoo user

[15:30:44]

Juski:

I've been using gentoo but warming to ubuntu – though the next one I'll be trying is mythdora

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bookwood:

Juski: But the guy I installed this for was a newbie and wanted to try out Novell Suse so I said allright, let's do that

[15:31:06]

Juski:

building a demo machine for a linux show, so I want to give a few distros a spin

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bookwood:

Juski: Never heard of Mythdora but Gentoo is definetively the only distro that works for me

[15:31:52]

Juski:

I put ubuntu on a spare machine & had myth running in under 2 hours from a flat HDD – not bad going if you ask me

[15:32:30]

bookwood:

Juski: Yep. Sounds good

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Juski:

fair enough I didn't do all the plugins & configure LIRC but it was a working system nonetheless

[15:33:18]

bookwood:

Juski: Yet, Gentoo provides the most flexibility and is the most straight-forward distro

[15:34:19]

bookwood:

and I will never understand how other distros enable/disable optional Features without using useflags...

[15:34:42]

Juski:

bookwood: I have to disagree with you on that one. Gentoo changed the way apache is configured a while back & I'm still mad at them for that

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Zider:

they don't. :P

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Juski:

portage now takes bloody ages to update

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bookwood:

Juski: I remember that. You should have read the GWN

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bookwood:

they said how to update the stuff

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Juski:

bookwood: I did everything they said to do & still couldn't get php working

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bookwood:

Juski: I followed the tips and I could

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Juski:

ended up in #gentoo where even the guys there were scratching their heads. turned out I needed more entropy – needed to have a random number generator daemon loaded

[15:36:12]

Juski:

(!!)

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bookwood:

as of portage being slow, just delete the /usr/portage directory and do emerge --sync! That will make it lightning fast again

[15:36:44]

Juski:

I've made up my mind – I'll be switching distros at some point

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Juski:

generic packages do the trick for me in most cases

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bookwood:

Gentoo is a little unstable in this regard since it undergoes major changes from time to time. But on the other hand, this ensures thriving innovation and flexibility

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jvs:

well booting again

[15:39:20]

bookwood:

Juski, you didn't have the urandom init.script loaded at boot up?

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jvs:

bookwood, thats just because gentoo is pretty young

[15:39:28]

bookwood:

jvs?

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jvs:

and those changes are getting less

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bookwood:

I've been using gentoo for the last 4–5 years

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jvs:

if refer to php, for example

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bookwood:

jvs: Actually its not getting less. I think it's even getting more

[15:40:31]

bookwood:

because of all the new packages making their way into portage

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jvs:

bookwood, yes, at the moment

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bookwood:

portage is very largen now

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Juski:

bookwood: it was more than that I think, anyway it took a whole day to get to the bottom of

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jvs:

but they are trying to reduce these changes

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bookwood:

jvs: they should

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jvs:

at least they are trying to find a way to accomplish this

[15:41:32]

bookwood:

jvs: They should get rid of cruft

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bookwood:

jvs: just narrow down the ebuild-collection (in terms of versions, not packages)

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jvs:

right

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bookwood:

I am loosing my mind. This f***ing xmltv stuff just does not work for us germans (rather for us in germany. Thank god I am not a german :P)

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jvs:

bookwood, where are you from?

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bookwood:

jvs: guess!

[15:44:51]

jvs:

austria

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jvs:

american soldier in germany?

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jvs:

:P

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bookwood:

do I sound like a person whose mother tongue is english?

[15:46:08]

bookwood:

jvs: actually the opposite is true

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jvs:

german soldier in the states?

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jvs:

:P

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bookwood:

I am not a native english-speaker

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bookwood:

jvs: I am coming from a country which had been entangled in a fierce dispute with the americans

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bookwood:

jvs: do you need more hints?

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bookwood:

change the above statement to ... which has* been ....

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Zider:

who isn't in dispute with the americans ;)

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bookwood:

Zider: good point

[15:49:30]

Zider:

or rather, not the americans but America.. it's mostly the government that tends to f*ck things up

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jvs:

"I am coming from a country which had been entangled in a fierce dispute with the americans" – actually, that does not cut down anything :P

[15:49:41]

bookwood:

Zider: Yep, that's true

[15:50:34]

bookwood:

jvs: But the conflict I am talking about is taking place now!

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drdaz:

Iraq then?

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bookwood:

its turning into a crisis

[15:50:52]

bookwood:

god forbid!!!

[15:50:55]

drdaz:

lol

[15:50:55]

bookwood:

I am not an arab!

[15:51:00]

drdaz:

oO

[15:51:02]

drdaz:

ok then

[15:51:15]

drdaz:

... France?

[15:51:20]

drdaz:

heh

[15:51:23]

bookwood:

drdaz: Even though most of you will probably not know the difference between my country and iraw

[15:51:25]

bookwood:

iraq

[15:51:32]

bookwood:

:-D

[15:51:36]

drdaz:

i see

[15:51:53]

drdaz:

next guess: Iran

[15:52:02]

bookwood:

drdaz: You got it!

[15:52:02]

drdaz:

:p

[15:52:05]

drdaz:

heh

[15:52:10]

** drdaz bows **

[15:52:13]

Zider:

I know nothing of politics or current news, so I certainly don't know the difference ;)

[15:52:33]

bookwood:

bookdoowd: Who cares, I've been living in germany for the last 17 years ...

[15:52:51]

drdaz:

talking to urself?

[15:52:52]

drdaz:

oO

[15:53:30]

bookwood:

Zider: Iranians are persians: That means: of indo-european heritage. Arabs are semites and quite different.

[15:53:40]

bookwood:

drdaz: fuck, it happend again

[15:53:53]

drdaz:

heh

[15:53:57]

Zider:

bookwood: doesn't tell me anything.. :)

[15:54:05]

jvs:

verdammt

[15:54:14]

bookwood:

Zider: ask wikipedia oder so something better like fixing the mythtv bugs

[15:54:19]

bookwood:

jvs: was 'n los?

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bookwood:

jvs: Ich drehe gleich durch, wenn ich diese schei? Programm-Listings nicht abrufen kann

[15:54:44]

** drdaz farts vigorously **

[15:55:00]

Zider:

bookwood: I'm not a coder. :)

[15:55:17]

bookwood:

Zider: Then read wikipedia :P

[15:55:27]

jvs:

I once bookmarked a page where you could see with whom on the world America is in war

[15:55:31]

jvs:

several countries

[15:55:31]

Zider:

bookwood: got other stuff to do atm :)

[15:55:36]

Zider:

and I'm too lazy ;)

[15:55:37]

drdaz:

I've got a dvb radio channel that now only appears in mythweb.. cant see it in live tv or schedule recordings

[15:55:39]

jvs:

masterblaster?

[15:55:58]

Zider:

jvs: no, burning dvd's

[15:56:03]

drdaz:

and stuff doesnt record from it if i schedule them in mythweb...

[15:56:15]

bookwood:

jvs: There was an american president who once said "It is vital for the american society and Economy to have an enemy!"

[15:56:18]

drdaz:

any ideas wtf could be causing this? I'm not seeing any errors in mythlog

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jvs:

drdaz, I have a tiny green leprechaun only I can see

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** drdaz nods **

[15:56:36]

Zider:

jvs: I can't even get uae to start, so masterblaster has to wait.. :/

[15:56:37]

drdaz:

I hear ya

[15:57:02]

drdaz:

jvs, if he bothers you go see a psychiatrist

[15:57:14]

drdaz:

they have leprechaun guns

[15:57:34]

jvs:

really?

[15:57:39]

drdaz:

yeh

[15:57:46]

Zider:

leprechaunbusters

[15:57:48]

jvs:

he keeps telling me I should start the fire

[15:57:58]

drdaz:

like Ralph

[15:58:01]

drdaz:

in the Simpsons

[15:58:03]

jvs:

rofl, yes

[15:58:11]

drdaz:

gotta love Ralph

[15:58:25]

drdaz:

2nd best character after Homer

[15:58:38]

jvs:

hehe

[15:58:44]

jvs:

what about barney?

[15:58:47]

Zider:

comic book guy!

[15:58:52]

drdaz:

lol

[15:58:59]

Zider:

Best.. death.. ever..

[15:59:07]

bookwood:

2nd best character is "Hausmeister Willi — whatever his english name may be"

[15:59:07]

jvs:

"my other car i s a millenium-falcon"

[15:59:14]

drdaz:

nah... imho Ralph and Homer are head and shoulders above them all

[15:59:39]

drdaz:

but thats just mho

[15:59:44]

Zider:

sideshow bob :)

[16:00:02]

bookwood:

drdaz: Has anyone of ya seen the episode where Homer becomes a programmer and Bill Gates wants to buy his application?

[16:00:14]

drdaz:

hmm... dont remember that one

[16:00:18]

Zider:

*gasp* computers can do that?!

[16:00:54]

bookwood:

bookwood: I've seen pictures and heard a lot about it and even know the german name of that particular episode but I just can't download it .. :'(

[16:01:10]

drdaz:

why not?

[16:01:28]

bookwood:

http://www.delos.fantascienza.com/delos52/sigates.jpg

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drdaz:

lawl

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bookwood:

the download has been in emule for months but not a single byte has been downloaded

[16:02:04]

Zider:

bookwood: what's the episode name?

[16:02:06]

drdaz:

ahh

[16:02:14]

Professor_Frink:

emule. gawd. using that is just an invitation to get yo ass sued

[16:02:48]

bookwood:

Zider: I think, the english name is "Das BUS". It's a pun on the germany movie "Das Boot". But the german Title is "Der bl?de Uno-Club"

[16:02:49]

Professor_Frink:

btw you might like to read the channel FAQ again – the bit about talking about illegal stuff

[16:03:24]

drdaz:

is it wrong for me to talk about somebody else doing illegal stuff?

[16:03:32]

drdaz:

heh

[16:03:40]

Professor_Frink:

dunno. probably

[16:03:41]

jvs:

Professor_Frink, in germany it is not illegal to download, but to share

[16:03:54]

jvs:

he does not have a single byte of the episode, so he cannot share it

[16:04:02]

Professor_Frink:

people in the UK have been busted for using P2P

[16:04:03]

bookwood:

Professor_Frink: If the channel Pro7 decided to show it, I would not need to download it this way, so blame them!

[16:04:24]

jvs:

Professor_Frink, here too

[16:04:25]

bookwood:

Professor_Frink: Thank god, we are in germany!

[16:04:29]

Professor_Frink:

they should axe the simpsons anyway – it hasn't been funny for years

[16:04:38]

Zider:

it's always funny

[16:04:41]

jvs:

bookwood, in germany its getting worse every day

[16:04:43]

drdaz:

I think its prolly just hte idea of talking about obtaining media in any way other than off the TV in here thats not allowed

[16:04:45]

Zider:

you've just lost your humor ;)

[16:04:48]

drdaz:

but it has been axed

[16:04:58]

Professor_Frink:

have you seen the one where Tony Blair appears?

[16:05:04]

Professor_Frink:

that was lame.

[16:05:25]

drdaz:

the one where homer becomes a priest and marries gay couples is pretty cool

[16:05:26]

bookwood:

jvs: Well, let's see what the future holds. Maybe we'll be watchin Opensource movies a la "Orange Project" in a few years

[16:05:37]

Professor_Frink:

they've done everything that can be done with all the characters – now it's just silly things & celebrity cameos

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[16:05:57]

drdaz:

bring back futurama!

[16:05:58]

drdaz:

etc

[16:06:04]

jvs:

bookwood, we both have neoliberal goverments

[16:06:13]

jvs:

its getting worse

[16:06:16]

Juski:

drdaz: I read that futurama is gonna be coming back

[16:06:17]

Zider:

more drawn together!!

[16:06:26]

drdaz:

yeah.. there's gonna be some films

[16:06:33]

drdaz:

the series was a false alarm :(

[16:06:39]

Juski:

bah

[16:06:40]

drdaz:

last I heard at least

[16:06:41]

bookwood:

jvs: you can't compare a democratical government like germany with a dictatorship like the iranian one!

[16:06:48]

Juski:

american dad is funny – as is Family Guy

[16:06:54]

drdaz:

g2g... woman cooked f00d

[16:06:55]

bookwood:

american dad rules

[16:07:41]

Juski:

so long as money is involved, there's no such thing as democracy. hold the purse strings and you hold court over the people

[16:07:41]

jvs:

bookwood, did I do that?

[16:08:07]

bookwood:

jvs: well, not really :).

[16:08:18]

Juski:

we're all slaves of the system one way or the other – the sooner everyone realises & settles down we'll be better off ;-)

[16:08:36]

jvs:

Juski is a wise man :P

[16:09:02]

Zider:

or woman ;)

[16:09:13]

Juski:

wiser than I used to be, for sure

[16:10:11]

Juski:

time for a nap I think

[16:10:13]

bookwood:

Juskie: We shouldn't talk about politics. It leads to nowhere! Views on Polictics are like assholes. Everyone has one, noone likes the other ones

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jakeisawake:

Hey , anyone out there?

[16:11:55]

bookwood:

you know why I hate Gentoo-Users? No matter how much effort you put into a graphical Administration utility, they won't use it

[16:12:02]

Zider:

;)

[16:12:06]

jakeisawake:

if so anyone ever seen this ivtv0 warning: ENC: (0) DMA Error 0x0000000b

[16:12:11]

Zider:

don't hate me :(

[16:12:29]

bookwood:

Zider: I do unless you decide to emerge my application NOW!

[16:12:45]

Zider:

bookwood: what app? :P

[16:12:57]

bookwood:

it is a graphical rc-update replacement

[16:13:07]

bookwood:

with a few real cool effects

[16:13:18]

Zider:

as in opengl-effects? :P

[16:13:21]

bookwood:

it's better than rc-update in terms of usability

[16:13:40]

bookwood:

Zider: not quite, but you'll see if you decide to install it

[16:13:49]

Zider:

well, tell me the name then dag nammit! :)

[16:13:50]

bookwood:

its pretty simple if you already have Qt4 installed

[16:14:04]

diamon:

jakeisawake: I had that when I had my PVR-150 behind a PCI-OCI bridge that wasn't working right. I moved it up towards the AGP slot side of things and it was happy.

[16:14:20]

jakeisawake:

thanks diamon

[16:14:26]

diamon:

Or at least, I had a DMA error, can't recall what code it was.

[16:14:36]

bookwood:

Zider: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-456154.html

[16:15:13]

jakeisawake:

diamon, yeah, the thing is i only get the error with 2 150's

[16:15:29]

jakeisawake:

with 1, there is no trouble so just trying to find a way to make it work

[16:15:46]

Zider:

hum, just remembered.. I don't have qt4.. only qt3..

[16:16:43]

bookwood:

Zider: just do mkdir -p /usr/local/portage/sys-apps/servant && cd /usr/local/portage/sys-apps/servant && wget http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/~momesana . . . 0.1.2.ebuild && echo "sys-apps/servant" >> /etc/portage/package.keywords && emerge --digest servant

[16:17:53]

bookwood:

then do echo "x11-libs/qt" >> /etc/portage/package.keywords && emerge qt first

[16:18:13]

Zider:

I guess you'll just have to hate me.. :P

[16:18:29]

blafd:

next time i have to show neo the path I'm going to break his back.

[16:18:36]

bookwood:

Zider: X(

[16:19:49]

bookwood:

As I said, Gentoo folks don't appreciate the effort that goes into building gui-s

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bookwood:

they look upon it with suspicion

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Zider:

I don't.. I just usually have ssh access to the main system, so graphical apps are pretty.. useless.. :)

[16:20:36]

blafd:

and i thought i was the only person that felt like that bookwood

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HeMan:

[semi-OT] I have problem with my ATI Remote In Wonder RF-remote, it is a really short-range-unit, around 10–15 cm

[16:20:59]

bookwood:

blafd: You are a gentoo user?

[16:21:01]

HeMan:

over that it won't work

[16:21:05]

HeMan:

any ideas?

[16:21:06]

blafd:

hell no

[16:21:19]

bookwood:

blafd: :-D

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bookwood:

blafd: don't worry, I will fix that! I will turn them all into nice GUI Loving people!

[16:22:15]

** blafd made a menu system in the past regretably for the wrong OS and under the wrong langauage **

[16:22:39]

blafd:

any one with half a brain agreed it was atleast "good"

[16:22:47]

blafd:

99% of the moron couldnt fathom it

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bookwood:

blafd: :)

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Zider:

bookwood: are you ignoring /msg ? ;)

[16:24:19]

bookwood:

I once posted something on the gentoo forums. I asked the people whether they would use a STABLE, RELIABLE and USERFRIENDLY administration Gui for gentoo, if something like that was available. 55 % said "NO" straight out

[16:24:48]

bookwood:

Zider: No, I don't. Why? I can get your IM. Can't you get mine?

[16:25:18]

Zider:

bookwood: no, I haven't gotten any reply..

[16:25:20]

bookwood:

Zider: Actually I am a real newbie when it comes to #irc

[16:25:25]

bookwood:

Zider: hm

[16:25:32]

Zider:

bookwood: ah, maybe you're not registered with nickserv..

[16:25:37]

bookwood:

I replied quite a much and wondered why you don't answer any more

[16:25:39]

Zider:

I think that stops private messages

[16:25:43]

bookwood:

let me register

[16:26:29]

bookwood:

I am registered now

[16:26:42]

bookwood:

but you still don't get any messages right?

[16:26:45]

Zider:

nope

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bookwood:

Zider: hm

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Zider:

have you identified and everything?

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bookwood:

I did /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <mypassword ...>

[16:27:18]

Zider:

hmz

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bookwood:

oh

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Zider:

should work then

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bookwood:

sorry

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bookwood:

actually

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bookwood:

it did not work

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bookwood:

because this is the name of the user that lend me his pc to install mythtv on it

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bookwood:

my username is momesana

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Zider:

mkay

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bookwood:

how can I tell FreeNode that I want to login as momesana ?

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blafd:

user Momesana Momesana "momesana@blabla.com " : hi

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blafd:

nick Momesana

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jvs:

k, the joypads work now

[16:30:31]

jvs:

but still only mono :(

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bookwood:

blafd: thanx

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HeMan:

anyone using mythmusic with cd-burning and not using ide-scsi?

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wega_:

i lost all of my recordings b/c of LVM, how do i clean out the database of recordings?

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wega_:

someone please help

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wega_:

i dont think mythtv documentation goes over how to do that

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diamon:

How did LVM lose them for you? Drive failure?

[16:44:26]

wega_:

lost both superblocks

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wega_:

after reboot

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diamon:

Odd. My LVM setup has been running fine for months now.

[16:45:10]

diamon:

But hey, computers.

[16:45:10]

wega_:

yeah mine too

[16:45:17]

wega_:

its my own fault

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bookwood:

nick momesana

[16:45:37]

wega_:

an abrupt shutdown by switch

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bookwood:

blafd: ??? where do I execute that command? nick momesana ...

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diamon:

Ah, could have caught it writing needed data or something.

[16:46:25]

wega_:

yeah i should have putty'd over and rebooted

[16:46:27]

wega_:

oh well

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wega_:

i suck

[16:46:30]

diamon:

Remember it's /nick whatevermynameis .

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wega_:

i lost all of my recordings b/c of LVM, how do i clean out the database of recordings?

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diamon:

wega: Afraid I don't know how to clear the recording database, I'd probably wind up doing it manually, or with phpmyadmin or something.

[16:47:39]

wega_:

think i found it

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opello:

there's a way on the faq that i made, but you can 'delete from recorded'

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opello:

the way on the faq lets you remove them from the ui – which is probably better (it touches empty files so the backend can delete them, and think it's done something meaningful)

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wega_:

i dont think i can do that because it can't find the file

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wega_:

oh ok

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opello:

right, the script on the faq touches files : http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/wiki/index.php/FAQ#Ho . . . t_on_disk.3F

[16:51:17]

opello:

i wonder if it works for .19, but it probably doesn't :(

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wega_:

dont have 19

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opello:

well, good deal then :)

[16:51:53]

wega_:

i ran the script though and when i go to delete it does nothing and hte title stays on the gui

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wega_:

restarting myth

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wega_:

front

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opello:

did you run it from the recordings dir?

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wega_:

yeah /video/recordings

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opello:

ah, hrm – did it say anything in the log?

[16:52:58]

wega_:

backend?

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opello:

frontend

[16:53:47]

opello:

i think anyway

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wega_:

file missing

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wega_:

could restart frontend with verbose??

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opello:

hm, what file is missing?

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wega_:

any

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opello:

did that script make a bunch of files?

[16:57:14]

wega_:

YES

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wega_:

:)

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opello:

but not the right ones, apparently

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wega_:

guess not

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opello:

does it say the file "i tried to delete blah" or something?

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wega_:

i think that is on the backend log

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opello:

oh yeah – probably

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drdaz:

anybody know why one of my channels might not show up in livetv or schedule recordings? it shows up in mythweb..

[17:10:34]

drdaz:

heh... nm

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drdaz:

fixed

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scottder:

anyone have a recommendation of a cheap sound card?

[17:25:31]

Zider:

soundblaster pci

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scottder:

How about an Audigy SE

[17:28:07]

Zider:

dunno about the price on those

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scottder:

$29

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Zider:

sounds ok

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scottder:

I have a chaintech, but is is a totl pain in Linux

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Juski:

re

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Juski:

if you're looking for a soundcard for digital output stay away from the pricy end of the market – you get no benefit from spending more than $30

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Juski:

that is, if you only want to play TV recordings & movies ;-)

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scottder:

Yeah I think I jsut want something with optical output that is well supported

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ShockValue:

sblive is easy for digi output, but it doesnt have optical, just a dumb 1/4 mic jack

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ShockValue:

err 1/8? whatever the small one is

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Juski:

ShockValue: 1/8" or 3.5mm.. quite easy to add optical output though

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Disconnect:

any way to trigger commercial flagging on an existing recording?

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** Juski modified his SBLive! to provide digital connections it never had **

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ShockValue:

can you run mythcommflag from the command line? (never tried it, just noticed that was the proccess name in the past)

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Juski:

Disconnect: in the 'watch recordings' screen, select a recording & press the right arrow button. a menu will then appear – go into 'job options'

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Juski:

ShockValue: yep – mythcommflag <filename> (I think)

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Disconnect:

ahh. cool.

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ShockValue:

your way is better thouhg :)

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** Juski is sure that's in the FM **

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Disconnect:

that was easier than I thought. (course, that could be cuz I haven't got the remote 100% yet, so left/right aren't working.)

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Juski:

heh

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Disconnect:

(and if its in tfm I'd love to know where. the 'using mythtv' section seems to be a categorized list of keyboard commands...)

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Juski:

might be squirrelled away in the wikiwiki-wah

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momesana:

jvs: kannste mir mal bitte einen Link zu prisma geben?

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ck42:

thinking about setting up a system to use with my Series1 Directivo. Wondering though about how well the IR channel changing option works...or should I get a Series 2 for the data port option?

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Juski:

series 2, I guess – if you've got a spare serial port on the myth box ;-)

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Disconnect:

any way to find out the format of a currently-playing (livetv) show?

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Juski:

Disconnect: if you're using a PVR card or DVB, HDTV it'll be mpeg2

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Disconnect:

ck42: fwiw you can get a nic for s1. $60 or so last I checked.

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Juski:

otherwise it'll just be the format you set in the livetv recording profile

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Disconnect:

Juski: DVB/hidef format.

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Juski:

Disconnect: in that case, it'll be mpeg2

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Juski:

or mpeg2 ;-)

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Disconnect:

....and it'll be 420i/420p/720i/720p/1080i/(unlikely)1080p ...

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Juski:

oh _that_ kind of format

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Juski:

I don't think myth has a stream info button you can use

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Disconnect:

(hence the question of "format" vs "codec" ;) ..)

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Juski:

pardon me for assuming your question was dumb – sorry ;-)

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Juski:

we get a lot of silly questions in here at weekends

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Disconnect:

ok. it occured to me that (at least while I'm still debugging and logged in) I can use mplayer -identify. (fyi it looks like the stream is 1080i)

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Nath:

Where is the startmenu on mythtv?

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Disconnect:

Juski: :)

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** Disconnect isn't sure why weta needs to be broadcasting 1080i, gven that the current picture is a peanut field. with a guy talking in the middle of it. **

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Juski:

... so you can see all the stalks!

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Juski:

(or whatever)

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Disconnect:

given that it looks like it was recorded at 720i and scaled up (or worse) I can't even see all the stalks.

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** Juski doesn't see the point in broadcasters wasting bandwidth for quiz & shopping channels, but hey.. **

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** Disconnect would much rather contribute to a "free" discovery hd style channel than to the current weta mess. but such is life. **

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Juski:

Disconnect: if it's that noticable, maybe it used to be 480i

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gardengnome:

re

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Disconnect:

looks like a mix. but its 16:9, so presumably 720i minimum. probably mostly cheap cameras.

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Juski:

I've yet to be sold on HDTV. The clips I've downloaded don't look that much better than SDTV 720x576i, if any

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Juski:

wb, gardengnome

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Juski:

btw the clips I've seen myself weren't divx ;-)

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Disconnect:

thats cuz they've been recoded for download. discovery-hd is about my favorite hd source (unfortunately, I'm still on sat so I can't mythtv it :( ..) even at 720p (max for the tv) its absolutely amazing

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Juski:

if you can convert the HDMI to SDI, it'd be quite easy (but not cheap) to capture it

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Disconnect:

90 megs a second is excessive for download clips :)

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Juski:

they were clips of about 1GB I tried – all of them looked so-so – certainly not worth spending £1500 on a TV for

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Juski:

anyway HDTV is only 18Mb/sec, so I read

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Disconnect:

fair enough. its like anything though, depends on equipment (from the beginning to the end)

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Disconnect:

yah thats raw size. found the wrong rate calculator. ;)

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Juski:

that said, 720x576 looks spiffy on this monitor – I guess the payoff comes when you've got a big TV set – _then_ it looks better than SDTV at that size

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Disconnect:

actually, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG-2 says its 60/sec but still.

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Juski:

cos MPEG2 SDTV looks pretty good on a 32" TV.. surprisingly awful on a 42" plasma

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ck42:

Disconnect: Must have missed this in the docs....if I have a NIC in my S1, does this provide another way of having Myth control channel changing of my S1?

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Disconnect:

and yah. 56" DLP (it was $2k or so about 2 years ago, down from $3500 cuz an idiot failed to measure his entertainment center for it. took it home, wrapped it, unwrapped it, brought it back.) size matters.

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Juski:

ck42: we'd all have heard about it if it could be done

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Disconnect:

(well.. size makes hidef matter I guess.)

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ck42:

Juski: so only options are IR with S1 or move up to a S2 for the dataport?

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Disconnect:

ck42: it'd be easy enough to script it, with sendkey (tcl script on the tivo) or using tivoweb (save the scripting, just call wget to send commands)

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Juski:

http://www.cheezmo.com/blog/C2054552301/E1868077274/index.html

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patman:

hi ... i'm trying to edit and transcode for the first time, but cutpoints go away if I "esc" out. I am following http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Man . . . g_Recordings

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Disconnect:

for that matter.. actually.. ppp over the serial port could be used for that. $10 cable instead of a nic. you can't do extraction (well.. you can.. I did for a while.. but its unholy slow) but for sending commands it'll work fine

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dtm:

Disconnect: bravo. very brave!

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** Juski is amazed people have missed that one then **

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Disconnect:

Juski: given that "I once saw a tivo in the store" results in "oh my god, its so outdated, myth does so much of everythin gbetter!!" I am not surprised the myth community has no idea what tivos can do/have done...

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Juski:

the big catch would be whether or not the directivo offers the web interface

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Disconnect:

http://tivowebplus.sourceforge.net/

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Disconnect:

not sure if its got screenshots but I can grab some off mine (s1/s2 look the same, although my s1 is retired)

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Juski:

I use http requests to change channels on my cable box – much better than nasty IR blasters

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scottder:

How about an Audigy SE

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Disconnect:

yah. if you get ppp running to the tivo, you can do that also (with the bonus of accessing tivoweb) .. alternately, just use bash over serial to do it by hand (way simpler to set up)

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Juski:

OMG so _that's_ how all these new shows end up on the internet. That naughty Tivo box!

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ck42:

OK: other question I'm running into. I NEED dual tuners (massive scheduling conflcts otherwise). Better to stay with a dual tuner Dtivo or use two separate DTV STBs?

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Disconnect:

given how recently pc's (in general) got the ability to grab hidef and/or surround, thats more true than you think. :)

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Juski:

ck42: for mythtv use, 2 seperate STBs would be better

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** Disconnect was burning sopranos dvds back in 2000 with intact surround-sound. **

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Juski:

reckon it's salmon time. yum

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ck42:

Juski: less problematic?

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Disconnect:

yah. if myth is the driver, get stbs. if you want to split-use, I'd stick with what you have (its cheaper) .. what I'm running is a couple tivos (S2s), a hidef STB and a mythbox. myth handles the OTA hidef recording and deinterlacing the svideo from the directivo (added a tvtime menu option) and tivo handles SD recording.

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ck42:

wow....crazy setup :)

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Disconnect:

prolly gonna hack my freevo-tivo-extractor into mythtv one of these months so that everything is sourced from mythtv except for the actual tivo menus and such

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ck42:

I need something bulletproof and as close to an appliance as possible

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** blafd taps his foot waiting for fedora again **

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Disconnect:

ck42: then you probably want to go digital cable and put the tuners into the mythbox. as soon as you touch controlling another box it can start going wrong..

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ck42:

wish I could pump DTV raw signal into a Myth

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Disconnect:

ck42: we all do ;) afaik you can still get older PCI cards but the new access control cards won't work

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ck42:

Desparately wanting to stick with DTV (hate Dish...had them for years). Digital cable here is crap.

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** Disconnect is resisting the change to digital cable cuz comcast sucks a LOT (and is blindingly expensive, even comparing basic digital+hidef to my sat setup) **

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Disconnect:

er, resisting cuz of that and the directivo investment. 4 digital cable tuners is unlikely to be as cheap/simple as the 4 dtv tuners, even though I'll probably gain hidef (I'd be happy for SD digital cable tuners, but I'm not sure they exist. I'm a big fan of avoiding analog though.)

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mchou:

Disconnect: there is no need to upgrade. go to your comcast office and ask for a HDTV set top box. They may charge you $5/mo additional, but then you get all locals in HD, in addition to firewire recording

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ck42:

Disconnect: how much/often is it a problem when controlling external STBs?

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mchou:

Disconnect: and you dont even need to "upgrade" to digital cable for that. I have "limited basic" and get all locals in HD

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mchou:

I'm still waiting for SlicerDicer t find out if the dual HDTV set top box from motorola is indivually addressable via firewire.

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ck42:

possible to have 2 tuners for STBs and a 3rd for HDTV OTA?

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mchou:

that woud be sweet if the dual STB works with firewire

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Disconnect:

mchou: right. that doesn't cover the existing SD digital recordings though.

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mchou:

no need for 2 HD STBS

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mchou:

Disconnect: SD digital? I dunno what you mean

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patman:

mchou: what does the set top box give you? I'm able to get my local comcast HD OK without one (with basic cable).

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mchou:

patman: it gives you the ability to record over firewire

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mchou:

basically it it a HDTV "card" for myth

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mchou:

no need to buy an ATSC card

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Disconnect:

non-HD digital recording. keep surround intact, don't recode/transcode/alter the stream unless I tell it to.

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mchou:

Disconnect: I dunno what you're talking about. The HD STB allows you to record SD stations over firewire

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mchou:

so that "stream" is digital too :)

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mchou:

although it originated as "analog"

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Disconnect:

gotcha. so basically "yes but not while hidef is going on" .. so I'd still need 4 stbs.

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mchou:

Disconnect: huh??

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Disconnect:

(and a second frontend for upstairs, but I can rig that up easily enough since its SD-only)

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mchou:

Disconnect: you have conflicts on 4 TVs? :)

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Disconnect:

mchou: currently (not counting the OTA mythbox) I have 4 digital tuners for recording. to move to cable I'd need 4 STBs to match that. (well.. 3 plus the pchdtv 3000 I've already got)

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Disconnect:

not on a daily basis, but it does happen.

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mchou:

Disconnect: I think you're just being ridicolous

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mchou:

I mean if you're watching HD what's the likelihood you still nedd SD?

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Disconnect:

thats nice. doesn't change what is currently set up here or what it can do.

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mchou:

maybe 2 HDSTB max, that's it

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mchou:

Disconnect: lol. I think you're just too enamored of your toys to see the forest from the trees

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Disconnect:

mchou: ok. so 2 HDSTB and 2 of something else. if we're gonna fill in the something else with a digital cable tuner/recorder (digital being the important bit) what would that be?

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** Disconnect wouldn't mind getting rid of dtv, once myth is running properly and the box is stable. **

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mchou:

Disconnect: I dunno what you mean by "something else"

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Disconnect:

lets build the box. I've got 2 HD-STBs for HD recording (bonus, I can even record with conflicts or use them as SD recorders) .. now I need at least one more digital tuner – is it another HD STB (whee) or is it something else?

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mchou:

if you watch "prime time" most "conflicts" would HD only, not SD

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WereMook:

anyone have mythtv running on dapper

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Disconnect:

you're way more likely to find us watching discovery and history than american idol.

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mchou:

Disconnect: so??

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mchou:

Disconnect: Discovery always repeats

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mchou:

Disconnect: so I hardly see discoveryHD as "problem"

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** Disconnect accepts that myth can't do what I need it to do, lets get on with life. **

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mchou:

Disconnect: lol

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WereMook:

because my dapper packages seem to hang

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mchou:

Disconnect: yeah, go away, clueless troll

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Disconnect:

lol. "I need to do this" "No, no, nobody would ever need to do this" .. but I'm the troll. thats funny. (even funnier that I'm clueless, but you are going to tell me hwat I watch. clearly I'm clueless for watching the wrong stuff or something.)

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Disconnect:

so . can myth handle 4 HD STBs? if so, anyone know how much comcast is likely to bleed me for it?

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WereMook:

If someone else claims that the Ubuntu Dapper Multiverse packages are kosher I'll keep trying otherwise i'll wait from better .debs

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Disconnect:

(their website is being less than helpful as far as "what do I get for less than $80 a month")

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mchou:

Disconnect: that's cause you need to do your own homework.

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Disconnect:

WereMook: I'd help if I could, but unfortunately I'm a troll. (wait, thats not it. oh. its cuz I am using mythdora on my mythbox and debian elsewhere. only ubuntu box I have is a laptop.)

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mchou:

Disconnect: afaik myth has no limits to the number of simultaneous HD/SD streams

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WereMook:

Yeah, thanks Dis. I have myth up and running on Mandrivia

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WereMook:

I'm trtying to switch but myth is a must have

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mchou:

You need more than (say) 5, build another (slave) backend box

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Disconnect:

understandable

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diamon:

Ok, so I've dumped my database and copied off my TV files, now I drop that backup to mysql and restore the video files and that's about it? I found a doc that says to just do "mysql -u root -p mythtconverg < backupfile" to restore my backed-up data. Anyone have last-minute suggestions or comments? This is for a move from FC3/0.18 to FC4/0.19.

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WereMook:

I guess I can try compiling mythtv, but I'm a lazy RPMer

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mchou:

WereMook: switch to what?

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WereMook:

anyone know an IRC for xbmcmythtv?

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michthom:

EVENING ALL

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michthom:

Ouch

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michthom:

Sorry for shouting

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michthom:

I see from the mailing list that some other folks have also been having trouble reaching atrpms.net

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diamon:

And in goes the database backup... Now I pray a lot.

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michthom:

I'm with Blueyonder in the UK and some recent 'maintenance' took Axel's site off the air for me completely.

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michthom:

I had to update my router firmware to get traceroute working again, but still no atrpms.net

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michthom:

I know it's up as I can access it from work

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michthom:

Any thoughts?

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diamon:

When you trace, how far does it get?

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Igg-man:

Is there a place to see what protocol versions were available in the SVN builds?

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mchou:

michthom: I dont see how you expect #mythtv-users to resolver your router problems

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mchou:

resolve*

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michthom:

traceroute to atrpms.net (160.45.32.86), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets

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michthom:

I'm not *expecting*, I'm just hoping that others who regularly use atrpms might have fixed this already and can pass on the wisdom

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michthom:

Last link I see is: 18 physik.spine.fu-berlin.de (130.133.98.32) 46.214 ms 41.588 ms 43.465 ms

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mchou:

michthom: huh??

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mchou:

michthom: it's a routing problem on your end

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mchou:

michthom: atrpms.net is up. You said so yourself and I just checked

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michthom:

mchou: How so if the traceroute gets so close before barfing?

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michthom:

I am not denying that

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mchou:

michthom: buy a real router

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WereMook:

RealRouter (registered Trademark of michthom corp.)

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Igg-man:

am I in the wrong channel?

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michthom:

Sorry. I can see this is not welcome.

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Igg-man:

?

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Igg-man:

I guess I missed some stuff

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Igg-man:

Wow, what was he having trouble with?

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mchou:

Igg-man: he had trouble reaching atrpms.net and was ask for help here

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Igg-man:

hmm

[19:06:49]

Igg-man:

I'll have to remember that next time I have trouble getting there

[19:07:11]

Igg-man:

Do you know anything about the SVN builds?

[19:07:26]

mchou:

Igg-man: nope

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blafd:

jesus christ

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Zider:

yes?

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blafd:

i know why ive hated redhat all my life after reviewing fedora core of crud!!!!

[19:12:06]

mchou:

blafd: haha!!

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Disconnect:

(oh, and to sum up that disaster from earlier, for the google crowd: yes, you can probably use multiple fw-connected comcast stbs with myth without much issue. and it might be cheaper than directivos, depending on your setup.) :)

[19:14:03]

mchou:

Disconnect: you're daft.

[19:14:33]

mchou:

plenty ppl here have multiple HS STBs hooked up to there mythboxen here

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mchou:

their*

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Disconnect:

then why were you arguing about whether its possible or necessary?

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jshriver:

Can someone help me setup my hauppuage card?

[19:17:48]

jshriver:

All I get is a green screen with static at the top

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mchou:

Disconnect: when was I arguing? this is all I asked:

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mchou:

Disconnect: [11:35:32] <mchou> I'm still waiting for SlicerDicer t find out if the dual HDTV set top box from motorola is indivually addressable via firewire.

[19:19:29]

mchou:

Disconnect: just cause you're clueless dont be blaming me for your confusion.

[19:22:22]

Disconnect:

you tried to explain to me what I watch and that I wouldn't have 3 conflicts at a time. (it actually reminded me a lot of the conversations on -users recently. "No, nobody watches live tv. if you are doing that you are doing something wrong.") instead of answering that yes, if I felt like being nuts (or whatever commentary you want to add) I could have 4 STBs running.

[19:22:56]

Zider:

on -users ?

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Disconnect:

mythtv-users

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Zider:

ah

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jshriver:

anyone know if the FX5200 svideo out interferes with bttv?

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jshriver:

I have all of the modules and everythign setup but still can't get my hauppage card to work.. the only thing different is that I have a FX5200 card now

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nosun:

how do I go about setting the type of bttv card I have on knoppmyth?

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nosun:

cause I figure its whats wrong

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jshriver:

nosun, g'luck trying to figure that out too

[19:24:56]

mchou:

Disconnect: you didnt ask "How many STB tuners can I connect simultaneously?" Instead you blabbed on: [11:51:46] <Disconnect> (their website is being less than helpful as far as "what do I get for less than $80 a month")

[19:24:57]

nosun:

but I'm not sure

[19:25:20]

nosun:

jshriver... trying to find out too?

[19:25:30]

jshriver:

yeah

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nosun:

heh

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mchou:

Disconnect: who the hell gives a damn for what you could or could not get for $80/mo.?

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nosun:

I'm thinking I might just do up suse I think it was

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gardengnome:

play nice, kids

[19:26:25]

nosun:

that attomatically did up the drivers for the cap cards

[19:26:25]

nosun:

:P

[19:26:38]

nosun:

and just asked for a couple of specifics

[19:26:55]

nosun:

but then again then I'll have to deal with the settings for lirc

[19:26:55]

mchou:

Disconnect: and I do recall saying this: [11:52:44] <mchou> Disconnect: afaik myth has no limits to the number of simultaneous HD/SD streams

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gardengnome:

nosun: you probably need to fiddle in /etc/modprobe.conf – but there are lots of guides out there

[19:26:59]

nosun:

which is just as bad

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nosun:

:S

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kristok:

how can I clear the iconmap info in the database?

[19:28:35]

kristok:

I tried "mythfilldatabase --reset-icon-map" but that didn't seem to do anything

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** drdaz farts vigorously **

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mchou:

kristok: just populate the db manually with mysql and point the iconmaps.

[19:29:53]

kristok:

mchou: there's already stuff in there, but I've since changed the main myth user and the guide takes foreve now timing out looking for icons in the wrong spot

[19:30:00]

mchou:

kristok: I think the logic in mythfilldb with respect to icon maps is a bit screwd

[19:30:55]

mchou:

kristok: what I'm saying is change the db entried such that the iconmap points to the right spot

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kristok:

mchou: I don't know mysql very well

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nosun:

the world is fucked up;)

[19:32:29]

kristok:

one would think I could just "clear" all the current icon stuff.

[19:33:22]

kristok:

I suppose I could re-run setup

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mchou:

kristok: "update settings set icon=replace(icon, <old_path>, <new_path>);"

[19:33:54]

kristok:

mchou: so I would have to do that for every single icon?

[19:33:56]

mchou:

kristok: sorry, s/settings/channel

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mchou:

kristok: not if it's already populated :)

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mchou:

kristok: with stuff other than "none"

[19:35:06]

kristok:

mchou: the db already has all the icon info, but all the paths have changed

[19:35:25]

kristok:

I can think of alot of really hacky ways to fix it

[19:35:39]

kristok:

but there has to be an "easy" way

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mchou:

kristok: yeah, that single statement should work then in one pass.

[19:36:19]

mchou:

kristok: unless all the icons are in different (individual) directories :)

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kristok:

mchou: no, they are all in one directory. so I guess the path is its own entry then. good.

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mchou:

kristok: dont blame me if you screw up though :)

[19:37:17]

kristok:

yeah, i'm backing up the db first...

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mchou:

kristok: "update channel set icon=replace(icon, <old_path>, <new_path>);"

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nosun:

anyone know what type tuner the Zoltrix TV Max has?

[19:40:39]

nosun:

mine is NTSC but it don't say shit all if its phillips or what

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kristok:

mchou: should <old_path> and <new_path> be quoted?

[19:41:39]

mchou:

kristok: yup. single quote like '

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kristok:

mchou: thanks for your help. the guide was sooo painful to use

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mchou:

kristok: does it work now?

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diamon:

So I'm restoring my /var/lib/mythtv now, and I see a number of files and directories in there aside from just the recordings. Should I kill off anything aside from the *.nuv files, or leave them?

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kristok:

mchou: yes, it worked

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diamon:

Going from FC3/0.18 to FC4/0.19, for reference.

[19:46:20]

kristok:

diamon: what types of files are in there?

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bradd:

anyone familiar with nvidia tv-out configurations?

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diamon:

kristok: Sorry, ran afk there a bit. There's the .nuv video files, .png's of the same name so I assume that's a thumnail, and a bunch of directories.

[20:27:02]

thread:

so I installed mythfrontend on my gentoo, but it insists on connecting to 127.0.0.1 for the backend server

[20:27:14]

thread:

I've got it configured to go to the right host for the database

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thread:

but I can't find where to set the backend server host

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SlyChocobo:

Use.. "The Stick!"

[20:27:39]

SlyChocobo:

mythtv-setup ;)

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thread:

hmm yeah.. I just installed the frontend piece, and I don't have the setup program it seems

[20:28:06]

SlyChocobo:

Odd

[20:28:07]

thread:

is there an alternate method?

[20:28:13]

thread:

mythcommflag mythfrontend mythjobqueue mythlcdserver mythshutdown mythtv mythtvosd mythwelcome

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SlyChocobo:

Mythfrontend can do it as well, I belive

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thread:

that's all I got

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thread:

really?

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SlyChocobo:

Under setup

[20:28:41]

SlyChocobo:

I *Think *

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thread:

.... yea I don't believe so

[20:29:07]

SlyChocobo:

Im fairly sure I've seen it in there..

[20:29:21]

thread:

the error message about the backend server says is the ip in the "setup program" correct?

[20:29:37]

SlyChocobo:

Yes, Thats mythtv-setup

[20:29:43]

SlyChocobo:

Its realy weird you dont have that

[20:29:57]

SlyChocobo:

How on earth did you configure the mythtv setup?

[20:30:19]

thread:

the backend/tv card is on a different machine

[20:30:21]

thread:

it works

[20:31:53]

thread:

what's the deal? do I need to install all of mythtv?

[20:32:11]

thread:

doesn't seem right since they allow you to build frontend/backend only if you want

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SlyChocobo:

You only need to compile the frontend if its a control station

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thread:

right... but I still need to configure it to talk to the backend

[20:33:05]

thread:

it defaults to 127.0.0.1 and I can't find how to change it

[20:33:05]

SlyChocobo:

Yes, .. ffs..

[20:33:08]

SlyChocobo:

Hold on

[20:33:15]

** SlyChocobo boots up his linux box **

[20:33:22]

SlyChocobo:

This what you get for not building from source..

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thread:

I wonder if there's a config line I can just paste into a file

[20:33:41]

SlyChocobo:

Possably

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SlyChocobo:

Hmm..

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thread:

I don't really want to build the entire mythtv suite since I really shouldn't need to

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thread:

but I spose that's what I'm about to d

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thread:

o

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SlyChocobo:

Check the HowTo

[20:38:18]

SlyChocobo:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-9.html#ss9.3

[20:38:31]

cg:

Has any one got diseqc on dvb-s working in mythtv 0.19-fixes??

[20:39:04]

thread:

"Make sure that the IP addresses on the General setup screen are accurate."

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thread:

sounds like it should be in there...

[20:39:40]

Disconnect:

anyone got an imon dpad remote working? I can't get the dpad side to work (rest of it works fine) .. even irrecord won't record anything it'll later recognize

[20:42:41]

GreyFoxx:

thread: Why not build the entire base ? You can't be that low on disk space :)_

[20:42:54]

thread:

GreyFoxx: do I need to? I really didn't think there was any need

[20:43:10]

thread:

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV#Set . . . ent_computer

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thread:

they tell me all I need to do is set the DBHostName in mysql.txt and I'm set

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thread:

it's a different setting! my log says I've connected to the database just fine

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thread:

but it is still trying to connect to 127.0.0.1:6543 for the backend

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GreyFoxx:

thread: What exactly are you looking to accomplish that would make you not want to? And I'm not talking about the plugins of course

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thread:

I want to set up mythfrontend on this machine

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thread:

to connect to the backend across the network

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GreyFoxx:

the frontend only setting is only really for when compile for platforms that the backend isn't supported on

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thread:

um

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thread:

seems like I need mythsetup to configure the backend...

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thread:

so it's required either way

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thread:

I don't understand how I'm supposed to get away with using this 'frontendonly' use flag

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GreyFoxx:

Ok, back up a sec. Is the machine you are installing on a frontend OR a frontend+ backend ?

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thread:

just frontend

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MindHack:

anyone know of any commerical skip utilities for audio files?

[20:45:56]

thread:

another frontend+backend is on another machine on my LAN

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GreyFoxx:

ok. you would run mythtv-setup on the backend

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thread:

oh?

[20:46:15]

thread:

ohh.....

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thread:

so the database knows where the backend is

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GreyFoxx:

Your problem is that your backend is configured to have the backend listening on 127.0.0.1

[20:46:24]

GreyFoxx:

yes

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thread:

I see!

[20:46:43]

GreyFoxx:

So your frontend asks the database where to connect to find the backend and it's told 127.0.0.1:6543

[20:46:55]

GreyFoxx:

so you need to go to the backend , run setup and change it to the external IP of the box

[20:47:08]

thread:

how about I just edit the db directly and not go upstairs :)

[20:47:27]

GreyFoxx:

just use X anbd exportthe display from the other machine

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fozi:

cg: afaik should diseqc work.

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cg:

fozi: I have a nova-s-plus, and the latest v4l-dvb

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thread:

awesome! this is a first for using mythfrontend on a remote machine

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thread:

& it works even

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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SlyChocobo:

Im just working on how to install the Plugins, on a Debian box

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thread:

any way to make it window'd ? or is it really only meant for full screen playback?

[20:50:40]

SlyChocobo:

Using the pre-build Deb's

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GreyFoxx:

thread: It's meant for fullscreen, BUT you can make it windows

[20:51:02]

GreyFoxx:

there is a setting to enable windowed to give it a titlebar

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cg:

fozi: i can scan with dvbscan, at it findes the channels, but it dosen't work in myth

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GreyFoxx:

then you can manually configure the size ofthe window

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GreyFoxx:

IT's not a dynamically resizable thing

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GreyFoxx:

though I expect thatit will be eventually

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fozi:

cg: have set the diseq options in mythtv-setup

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cg:

fozi: under the tunercard i set the diseqc to a diseqc 1 4 port

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SlyChocobo:

Can you install old Plugins into MYth?

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kormoc:

SlyChocobo, no

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GreyFoxx:

Not usually

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SlyChocobo:

According to apt, I have version 0.19–0.6sa

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kormoc:

GreyFoxx, there's exceptions?

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SlyChocobo:

Latest plugin is 0.4

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fozi:

cg: can you recheck? there was a problem with setting thi options

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cg:

fozi: how do you mean??

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cg:

brb

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GreyFoxx:

kormoc: anything can be done with enough desire and effort :)

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kormoc:

hehe, fair nuff

[20:56:24]

fozi:

cg: check the setup screen again. iirc there was a problem with writing this settings to the database

[21:03:06]

Juski:

evening.. or whatever it is where you are :-)

[21:03:46]

cg:

back

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SlyChocobo:

Hn, Im having some problems compiling MythTV, with Alsa sound

[21:12:26]

SlyChocobo:

I've Alsa installed, and passed the --enable-audio-alsa to ./configure

[21:12:31]

SlyChocobo:

But its not.. enabling

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Juski:

maybe you don't have the alsa source

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Juski:

it'll be alsa-dev or something similarly named

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SlyChocobo:

Hmm..

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SlyChocobo:

Still not working..

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jvs:

I also have alsa probs

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jvs:

I only get mono sound

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nosun:

question..... on mythtv.... so its always recording what your watching..... does it delete those videos once the hd is full

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nosun:

or I have to go in and manually delete?

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nosun:

or what?

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dtm:

nosun: you can set things to autoexpire

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nosun:

oh ok

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nosun:

sounds good

[21:23:35]

nosun:

:)

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nosun:

now I'll I have to do is find out how to have it access my comp over network one of the shares

[21:24:11]

nosun:

and then how to access the recording folder as a share

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nosun:

:P

[21:26:55]

nosun:

can't wait till I get a 2nd cap card:)

[21:27:02]

nosun:

probably another pvr 150

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SlyChocobo:

Alsa config *still* wont enable

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bradd:

anyone have the monitor specs or a modeline for outputing hdtv signal to a philips pp559401?

[21:35:36]

Juski:

nosun: by default myth will autoexpire all livetv recordings after one day. If you press R during a show it'll treat it as a 'normal' recording, not a live recording ;-)

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Juski:

argh wtf is it about people who can't use punctuation or spell correctly? I've just been trying to read a forum posting to help me out with something, and the reply is 10 lines long without a single comma, full stop or capitals. @!"@£@

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nosun:

I'm tired

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jvs:

me too

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nosun:

I will try doing mythtv on ubuntu

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nosun:

I think that was the easy one I was told of

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nosun:

next to knoppmyth

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jvs:

I need to find out why myth only outputs to mono

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nosun:

but shit I dunno how I will get my remote working... but we'll see

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nosun:

samba..... I can share a folder to my windows comps right?

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nosun:

using samba that is

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nosun:

right?

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gboutwell:

yes samba is what you need for that

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nosun:

I'm gonna probably go take a nap and come back to this:P

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nosun:

but gonna put ubuntu going

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nosun:

who knows maybe if I figure how to use samba I will stick to knoppmyth

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nosun:

if I figure how in text mode

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nosun:

anyway

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nosun:

in the xterm rather

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Juski:

samba? easy

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Juski:

www.samba.org, newbs ;-)

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nosun:

thanx

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jvs:

nosun, be aware

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jvs:

Juski will trick you into upgrading your kernel and all will stop working

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SlyChocobo:

Hnmmm..

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SlyChocobo:

Okay, I ran ./configure

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SlyChocobo:

I think it might have crashed though..

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SlyChocobo:

make[1] *** [Sub-libmythuk] Error 2

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SlyChocobo:

make[1]: Leaving directory /home/slyboots/mythtv-0.19/libs

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SlyChocobo:

make: *** [sub-libs] Error 2

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SlyChocobo:

It it supposed to "end" like that?

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gboutwell:

SlyChocobo: No.

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SlyChocobo:

Doh..

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gboutwell:

Is there any errors before that? like an link or gcc error?

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SlyChocobo:

Okay, I think the errors.. start about here..

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SlyChocobo:

"In file included from mythmainwindow.cpp:22:

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SlyChocobo:

mythmainwindow.h:8:17: qgl.h : No such file or Directory

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SlyChocobo:

There are a stream of errors after that message

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kormoc:

qgl.h is a part of qt

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** SlyChocobo nods, thats what Im checking.. **

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gboutwell:

SlyChocobo: ok... Sounds like you don't have one of the dependancies installed

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kormoc:

SlyChocobo, I'd check to see if you have the qt-devel (or whatever it's called) installed

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gboutwell:

SlyChocobo: Or that the path to that files is wrong some how.

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SlyChocobo:

Aptitude should deal with all that..

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kormoc:

SlyChocobo, well, most distros split up the qt package into the main user used files and the developer used files, and you need the developer files to compile, which are not usually installed by default

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** SlyChocobo has the dev files installed though.. **

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kormoc:

ahh, fair nuff

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kormoc:

you can check to make sure it's in the same place as the configure script said, as gboutwell sudgested.

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gboutwell:

SlyChocobo: so then you need to find qgl.h and what path it is in and make cure that ./configure is find the right path, or force/specify that path to the ./configure command

[22:17:19]

SlyChocobo:

Hm.. "Libqt3-dev

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SlyChocobo:

Hmm..

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SlyChocobo:

How do I serach from the command line?

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kormoc:

SlyChocobo, locate is very common

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kormoc:

locate qgl.h

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kormoc:

if that doesn't work, you can do find /usr | grep qgl.h but it will take a bit longer

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SlyChocobo:

hmm..

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SlyChocobo:

locate : /var/chache/locate/locatedb: No such file..

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RaYmAn-Bx:

it might be saner to do find /usr -iname 'qgl.h' since this avoids seaching through output printed to the console, which is probably faster

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SlyChocobo:

No results..

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kormoc:

RaYmAn-Bx, very much saner, I just forget the syntax

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RaYmAn-Bx:

kormoc: fair enough :P

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kormoc:

SlyChocobo, locate uses a db to cache the file locations, so locate -u should update/create the db, but usually the distro does that for you

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carlmango11:

Hi, Could anyone help me with setting up LAME, It configures fine but when I type "make install" it begins, then returns "make: *** [install recursive] error 1" and quits. Can anyone help me?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

carlmango11: why not just use your distributions package management system to install it?

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SlyChocobo:

Okay, I had to run updatedb..

[22:29:15]

SlyChocobo:

Okay, the only file that matched that string was "ggl.html"

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carlmango11:

what's that?

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SlyChocobo:

*qgl

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carlmango11:

like Kpackage or something?

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achew22:

where is the cutlist stored in the database?

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SlyChocobo:

So there is no gql.h, which is weird

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RaYmAn-Bx:

carlmango11: uhm..depends on your distribution

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carlmango11:

Simply Mepis

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RaYmAn-Bx:

look at the documentation for it

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carlmango11:

k, I'll try that, thanks

[22:30:17]

RaYmAn-Bx:

I'm sure it says how you're supposed to install stuff for it.

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carlmango11:

Ok, I tried it but apparently it's not campatable with it, Could you tell me where you got your version? (If you have it that is)

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Darthy:

its somehow offtopic, but: is there a good barebone for use as myth-tv client, which is passive cooled, has 2 pci, good quality audio on board?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

carlmango11: I used my distribution's (gentoo) package manager to install it. (emerge)

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carlmango11:

k, thanks

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kormoc:

Darthy, might want to try new egg's power search to see what they have

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carlmango11:

Could you tell me where to get LAME, I have come to the conclusion I've gotten a bad file

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kormoc:

carlmango11, google will find it easy enough

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achew22:

kormoc the cutlist is stored in the db right?

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kormoc:

achew22, yes

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carlmango11:

yeah but there's so many different versions and alot are just for windows (.exe setups)

[22:38:20]

achew22:

where?

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kormoc:

achew22, the cutlist table?

[22:38:37]

achew22:

there is a table called cutlist

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SlyChocobo:

Aggh!

[22:38:52]

** SlyChocobo kicks Myth.. **

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kormoc:

carlmango11, here's what I'm gonna do, I'm gonna type in 'Lame Linux' into google, hit search, right click on the first link, and paste it here: http://lame.sourceforge.net

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carlmango11:

ok...

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carlmango11:

thanks

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achew22:

kormoc is it in mythconverg ?

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kormoc:

achew22, yes

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achew22:

hrm... I don't see it

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kormoc:

try recordedmarkup?

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achew22:

ahh

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achew22:

there itis

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Dug02:

I have my default device set to spdif and it works for my dvds but not my music on myth... my music comes out the line out

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Dug02:

any ideas?

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cgg:

when i try to watch tv i get this error:2006-04–30 01:09:21.910 RingBuf(/home/video/6630_20060430010913.mpg): Invalid file (fd 17) when opening '/home/video/6630_20060430010913.mpg'. 2 retries remaining.

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cgg:

2006-04–30 01:09:22.022 NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times.

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cgg:

2006-04–30 01:09:22.414 RingBuf(/home/video/6630_20060430010913.mpg): Invalid file (fd 17) when opening '/home/video/6630_20060430010913.mpg'. 1 retries remaining.

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cgg:

2006-04–30 01:09:22.862 NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times.

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cgg:

2006-04–30 01:09:22.918 RingBuf(/home/video/6630_20060430010913.mpg): Invalid file (fd 17) when opening '/home/video/6630_20060430010913.mpg'. 0 retries remaining.

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cgg:

2006-04–30 01:09:23.422 NVP, Error: JumpToProgram's OpenFile failed.

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cgg:

2006-04–30 01:09:23.422 NVP, Error: Unknown error, exiting decoder

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cgg:

2006-04–30 01:09:23.422 TV: Attempting to change from WatchingLiveTV to None

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cgg:

QObject::disconnect: Unexpected null parameter

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cgg:

2006-04–30 01:09:25.744 TV: Changing from WatchingLiveTV to None

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Dug02:

cgg use pastebin.com

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cgg:

Dug02: ??

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Dug02:

cgg: dont flood the channel, just paste your logs in there and reference it

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cgg:

ok, i will do that in the future

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Zider:

Dug02: I managed to solve that spdig thing.. had the same problem myself..

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Zider:

Dug02: you need to edit .asoundrc and make a default entry with the right hardware adress for the spdif

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Dug02:

Zider: do you have an example of your asoundrc you sould past

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Dug02:

e

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Zider:

well, I just shut down the mythbox since I'm on my way to bed..

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Dug02:

Zider : this is the mythtv user .asoundrc not a global one

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Zider:

the mythtv user .asoundrc yes

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nickv111:

Hey, guys. I just installed mythtv on my desktop computer which is sufficiently powerful to run the backend. I'm thinking of buying a tuner and using it as my mythtv backend for my house. I'm planning on using my Xbox running Xebian (Xbox Debian) as the frontend. Last time I checked, however, there was no debian repository with mythtv source packages or binaries. Has this changed?

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mythicness:

hey guys

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mythicness:

just installed v 0.18

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mythicness:

and when starting backend i get this error

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mythicness:

Starting MythTV server: mythbackendSession management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed

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mythicness:

any ideas?

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Juski:

mythicness: see the line below that

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mythicness:

k

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mythicness:

im trying to upgrade to latest version in ubuntu, ive added the lines in my apt source list

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mythicness:

but when i try and upgrade it says the updates have been kept back?

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mythicness:

nm – think i fixed it :)

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eiggirC:

nickv111: debian is a skanky hoe wrt mythtv.

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eiggirC:

nickv111: use the svn repository and compile the 0.19-fixes branch

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eiggirC:

works great for me

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Juski:

is 0.19 still not available for ubuntu? sheesh!

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blafd:

hm

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blafd:

trying to make fuckedup core 4 co-operate here

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Juski:

good ole dependency hell.. where'd we be without it

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blafd:

but when i start the backend it sais: error loading shard libraries: /usr/lib/libmythavcode-0.19.so.0: cannot restore segment prot after reloc: Permision denied

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blafd:

excuse the typo thats: libmythavcodec

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Juski:

soundy likey missing dependency

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blafd:

which fuck man

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blafd:

i shouldnt be dealing with this crap

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blafd:

its all from packages

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Juski:

welcome to FC

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blafd:

herm

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