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[00:00:38] eiggirC: RaYmAn-Bx: well that was easy :)
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[00:04:20] rawdlite: RaYmAn-Bx: FYI i finally got ivtv to load the firmware :-)
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[00:04:56] k-man: whats the plugin for myth that lets you burn dvds from recorded shows?
[00:05:04] k-man: from the mythui, not mythweb?
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[00:08:06] eiggirC: is this sort of error a bad one?
[00:08:07] eiggirC: ivtv0: i2c hardware 0x00000001 not found for command 0xc008561c!
[00:08:16] eiggirC: thats when loading the new ivtv module
[00:09:05] kormoc: oh gawd! Command 0xc008561c! My foe across the ages!
[00:09:19] eiggirC: kormoc: ummm pardon?
[00:09:49] eiggirC: I guess this is another recognised one?
[00:09:50] eiggirC: ivtv0: i2c hardware 0x00000020 not found for command 0x40345622!
[00:10:24] kormoc: eiggirC, I have no idea, it's just a bunch of meaningless numbers
[00:10:33] eiggirC: kormoc: oh – you're being a smartypants
[00:10:36] eiggirC: :-P
[00:12:04] kormoc: hrm, smarty pants. I should make them get a job, they've been slacking on the rent lately
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[00:23:13] test34: I have problems compiling lirc.. here is my error message: http://pastebin.com/680151 .. I have i2c compiled as a module, I cant find whats wrong..
[00:23:24] test34: anybody can help ?
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[00:29:31] pembo13: hey, using cable/coax works jsut fine for me...but how do I view and record from s-video?
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[00:39:09] pembo13: hello
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[00:51:10] pembo13: i can get S-Video input in Mythtv..but not the matching audio
[00:51:46] eiggirC: pembo13: s-video is just a picture – you need another cable for audio
[00:52:56] pembo13: eiggirC: everything works fine with TvTIme
[00:53:06] pembo13: ie. I have the audio plugged in okay too
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[01:13:14] nachoguy: I have an issue when trying to use the "live tv" function. I have a pvr 500 card, which seems to work fine, however, I can only view about 10 seconds of tv before the entire machine reboots.
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[01:42:41] kavorka: if my tv-out is set to 576i is it better to set my resolution to 640x480 or 800x600?
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[01:59:47] kavorka: and question number 2....i have a p4, is the mmx, sse use flag recommended?
[02:01:09] kormoc: sure
[02:01:31] kormoc: don't play with the cflags unless you know what you're doing, but use flags tend to be rather safe
[02:01:50] kavorka: ok i just realised i didnt enable mmx and sse
[02:02:04] kavorka: yeah i do use conservative settings
[02:03:47] cliffd: kavorka: take a look at this http://gentoo-wiki.com/Safe_Cflags
[02:04:07] kavorka: thanks cliffd
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[02:49:35] ShockValue: what would technically look better on a plasma.. 1080i or 720p?
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[02:54:17] mmead: SlicerDicer-: yt?
[02:54:49] mmead: SlicerDicer-: maybe you'll get this later – I got my firewire working
[02:55:06] mmead: SlicerDicer-: using modules for the 1394 code, 2.6.15.1
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[03:13:56] psymin: Anyone using mythtv under gentoo with the 'backendonly' flag?
[03:14:11] kormoc: psymin, why?
[03:14:30] psymin: oh no reason
[03:14:54] psymin: It keeps wanting to install X .. I was curious if I was just ignorant .. or if it was borked
[03:15:14] kormoc: the backend uses the xlibs and qt libs, aye
[03:15:20] psymin: doh
[03:15:22] kormoc: so yeah, they're still a requirement
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[03:17:43] eiggirC: well I've made progress!
[03:17:51] eiggirC: I got both tuners working and receiving
[03:18:14] eiggirC: but mythtv can't play live TV – it just returns to the main screen after ~1/2 second of black
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[03:31:57] eiggirC: I am so close to making this work
[03:31:58] eiggirC: then
[03:32:09] eiggirC: I swear I will never touch the bastard thing again
[03:32:15] eiggirC: I SWEAR!
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[03:32:33] eiggirC: seems that the new ivtv changed the names of the inputs
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[03:43:48] eiggirC: yay! Progress!
[03:46:51] kavorka^: do the brightness/hue/contrast controls work for you guys?
[03:50:25] jnunez: kavorka^: What Tuner?
[03:50:58] kavorka^: dvico dvb-t, this used to work on my previous pc...this is beyong irritating now
[03:51:05] kavorka^: beyond*
[03:51:16] kavorka^: for 3 weeks i havent been able to solve it
[03:51:35] jnunez: I had this issue with my PVR-150 but I upgraded to the latest IVTV
[03:51:59] kavorka^: for dvb tuners ivtv isnt required
[03:52:12] jnunez: I know
[03:52:37] kavorka^: hmm i know its a package thats at fault...something that i need to re emerge or something
[03:52:54] kavorka^: becuase it certainly isnt a setup issue...god knows ive tried everything
[03:53:21] kavorka^: i havent played with my key bindings either...in fact i reset them to default
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[03:55:56] eiggirC: where can I find the cause of this?
[03:55:57] eiggirC: 2006-04–25 15:55:18.792 ChannelBase: Could not find input: Tuner 0 on card when setting channel 8
[03:56:03] eiggirC: I know its Tuner1 now
[03:56:09] eiggirC: cos ivtv renamed things
[03:56:21] eiggirC: but nowhere in mythtv-setup can I find that setting saying tuner 0
[03:56:24] mishehu: hmm
[03:56:28] eiggirC: should I do it through sql >?
[03:56:59] mishehu: nobody ever really seems to be around on #lirc.... and I can't get my machine to work with both an irblaster and an sblive audigy 2zs midi remote
[03:57:09] kavorka^: u sure? i thought it was under the tuner selection??
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[03:58:08] eiggirC: kavorka^: yes you're right... but it says Tuner1 there like it should
[03:58:29] kavorka^: have i tried removing it and re adding it?
[03:58:34] kavorka^: i=u*
[03:58:36] Umaro: hi guys.. I'm trying to get mythtv/mplayer to choose the best available audio track when it plays a DVD. Ideally, it would choose a 5.1 DTS track if available, and if not, a 5.1 dolby track. instead, it chooses the stereo track. I can get 5.1 dts/dd if I find out and specify the aid, but that makes my remote less useful :/
[04:00:57] kavorka^: seems like im the only guy on earth with this problem
[04:01:08] Umaro: kavorka^: you too? :)
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[04:02:15] kavorka^: Umaro,is mythtdvd any good?
[04:02:29] kavorka^: ive heard it wasnt worth installing
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[04:07:46] eiggirC: is PIP really hard work for the front end machine or something? mine is a celeron 900 and just can't keep up with both pictures at once
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[04:13:50] eiggirC: seems I have six rows in cardinput, where I should have two. Is this the right command to delete some rows? delete from cardinput where inputname="Tuner 0"; <-- ?
[04:15:22] eiggirC: I don't want to screw up :)
[04:15:59] kormoc: eiggirC, yeah, PIP is hard work, you're playing two streams, take one and imposing it on the other after resizing and filtering it
[04:16:24] eiggirC: kormoc: right – so my machine is too gutless :)
[04:17:09] eiggirC: kormoc: know any sql?
[04:17:15] eiggirC: I know enough to be dangerous
[04:17:29] kormoc: Sure, I know some sql
[04:17:43] kormoc: as for your question, you can check what will be deleted
[04:17:54] kormoc: SELECT * FROM cardinput WHERE inputname="Tuner 0";
[04:17:59] kormoc: if it looks good, then delete away
[04:17:59] eiggirC: yeah – use "select" rather than delete
[04:18:04] eiggirC: ohhhh
[04:18:07] eiggirC: *fwap*
[04:18:16] eiggirC: mysql> select from cardinput where inputname="Tuner 0";
[04:18:20] eiggirC: missing the *
[04:18:24] kormoc: ahh, hehe
[04:19:21] eiggirC: WOOT!
[04:19:27] eiggirC: kormoc: see I know enough to be dangerous
[04:19:38] eiggirC: drop <-- dangerous command
[04:19:43] kormoc: hehe
[04:19:47] kormoc: yeah, it can be :)
[04:20:31] eiggirC: kormoc: actually I'm still wrong
[04:20:42] eiggirC: its "select * from table where something"
[04:20:48] eiggirC: and "delete from table where something"
[04:20:52] eiggirC: no * in the delete command
[04:21:09] kormoc: yeah, you had it right above
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[04:26:43] mishehu: kormoc: don't suppose you know anything about how to run an irblaster and an audigy 2zs platinum remote with lirc? I can only get the irblaster to work.
[04:27:12] kormoc: sadly, I donno, sorry mishehu
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[04:31:17] ShockValue: kormoc – so, i hooked up a straight vga cable today instead of dvi.. and threw in "Option "TVStandard" "HD1080i"" to xorg and voi-la. 1080i
[04:31:30] kormoc: nice :)
[04:31:47] ShockValue: just bugs me i cant use DVI though :(
[04:31:53] kormoc: Yeah, it's sucky :/
[04:32:05] kormoc: but in the future when you have a little cash to burn, you can get a new card
[04:32:09] ShockValue: when i have some spare cash, I'll look into a card that will do it
[04:32:13] ShockValue: lol
[04:32:33] kormoc: heh, I just got my mythbox up and running tonight
[04:32:50] kormoc: now the nice long transfer of video files over wireless...
[04:33:08] ShockValue: ew
[04:33:36] kormoc: I sorta forgot to before putting the drive over, and well, I don't want to bother swapping it out again
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[04:36:49] ShockValue: so, i called comcast today.. they verified that they use the motorola 6800 with firewire enabled in my area
[04:36:59] ShockValue: unfortunatly im locked into directv for another 4 months
[04:37:26] kormoc: Well, gives you plenty of time to plan the switch
[04:38:00] ShockValue: what i'd really like to do is split my backend/frontend so i can keep all the heavy gear in the basement
[04:38:18] ShockValue: can you get multiple 6800's and make it act like you have a few tuners?
[04:38:34] kormoc: yes you can
[04:38:37] ShockValue: nm.. i remember seeing xris(?) setup and he had like 3 stacked up
[04:38:43] kormoc: SlicerDicer- is running 3x 6800's
[04:38:49] ShockValue: ah slicer, ok
[04:39:00] ShockValue: wonder how much per month the extras are
[04:39:21] marcus2: hm. i added two tuners to my mythbackend
[04:39:34] kormoc: I think it's $5 for the box and $5 to update it to hd, so $10 per month per tuner box
[04:39:47] marcus2: they definitely work properly, i can run three live tv sessions at once
[04:39:54] marcus2: but recordings from the second and third tuner dont work
[04:40:05] ShockValue: can i just buy extra boxes, or do i need to activate them and all that jaz?
[04:40:18] kormoc: they need to be activated and all that jazz
[04:40:46] ShockValue: man, tv is expensive :)
[04:40:52] kormoc: heh, yeah...
[04:41:00] kormoc: hence why I'm on analog for awhile
[04:41:27] eiggirC: YAYAYYAY!!!!! I think I got my tuners both working!
[04:42:31] ShockValue: woot
[04:43:36] kavorka^: well done
[04:43:44] eiggirC: PIP doesn't work, but thats cos the frontend is too gutless
[04:44:00] eiggirC: turns out there were extra bogus entries in the cardinput table
[04:44:04] ShockValue: meh.. i tried to get into Morrowind:Oblivion.. but I keep wanting to /ooc "Where's the Inn"  :)
[04:44:18] ShockValue: oops, wrong chan :)
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[04:47:08] marcus2: hmmm
[04:47:15] marcus2: eiggirc; have you tried recording two shows at the same time?
[04:49:22] eiggirC: marcus2: yes – works okay
[04:49:27] marcus2: hmm
[04:49:28] eiggirC: I need a better RF splitter thats all
[04:49:33] marcus2: wish mine did
[04:50:01] marcus2: i can run livetv on three frontends at once, but i cant record three things at once :(
[04:56:41] marcus2: 2006-04–24 21:47:30.986 TFW, Error: Write() — IOBOUND begin cnt(2048) free(2047)
[04:56:48] marcus2: anyone have any idea what this means?
[04:58:13] kormoc: it means it couldn't write because you have a input/output blockage
[04:58:35] marcus2: what causes that?
[04:58:50] kormoc: perhaps your disks are very slow
[04:58:57] marcus2: i dunno
[04:59:10] marcus2: i dont think thats it
[04:59:31] marcus2: i mean, they are fast disks, and watching 3 livetv streams at once isnt a problem
[04:59:33] kormoc: well, something is blocking the IO, you have 2048 open active descriptors
[04:59:44] kormoc: well, least open
[05:00:01] marcus2: er
[05:00:21] marcus2: doesnt that mean i have 2048 total, and 2047 fre?
[05:00:32] kormoc: you have 2048 total out of 2047
[05:00:41] kormoc: hence the failure
[05:01:01] kormoc: check ulimit if you want, it'll show you have a max of 204
[05:01:02] marcus2: oh
[05:01:03] marcus2: hm
[05:01:04] kormoc: *2047
[05:01:21] marcus2: well, default ulimit -n is 1024, on this system
[05:01:32] kormoc: ooh? that's odd...
[05:01:33] marcus2: but, wtf has 2047 file handles open
[05:01:42] kormoc: you can check with lsof
[05:01:50] opello: ls /dev/fd | wc -l will show you the currently held file descriptors
[05:01:58] opello: the count that is
[05:02:07] kormoc: ooh, true
[05:02:15] marcus2: opello; that only shows them for the current process
[05:02:30] opello: really? i thought it was system wide
[05:02:40] marcus2: but /proc/[pid-of-mythtv-backend]/fd only has 25 fds open
[05:02:52] opello: aha
[05:03:18] marcus2: although hm
[05:03:38] marcus2: right now, alltogether mythtv processes have 1998 files open
[05:03:39] marcus2: interesting
[05:04:06] marcus2: odd
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[05:04:39] opello: ls -1 /proc/[0–9]*/fd | grep -v proc | grep -v ^$ | wc -l
[05:04:40] marcus2: almost all of them arent really files
[05:04:51] opello: streams count too, don't they?
[05:04:56] kormoc: yeah, they do
[05:05:00] marcus2: yeah, streams are files
[05:05:05] marcus2: well, streams and files are both fd's
[05:05:07] opello: well, heh
[05:05:16] marcus2: but most of the 1998 things reported by lsof are memory handles
[05:05:19] marcus2: shared libraries
[05:05:25] kormoc: they still count
[05:05:30] marcus2: wtf
[05:06:01] marcus2: another user on the same system has 4616 things open, according to lsof
[05:06:07] marcus2: and that user has no special privs
[05:06:25] kormoc: well, I don't think libs count towards that count.
[05:06:40] opello: but streams get fds?
[05:06:53] marcus2: yeah
[05:06:54] opello: memory handles don't ... right?
[05:06:55] kormoc: I have 2687 open based on lsof with X, browsers, irc, mplayer, konqueror, gaim, etc
[05:07:02] marcus2: but theres only a handful of streams open
[05:07:22] kormoc: opello, memory handles do, but shared libs count as one no matter how many times duplicated, and they don't count against the ulimit fd count
[05:07:33] opello: ah, interesting
[05:07:46] kormoc: least, that's my understanding
[05:09:14] opello: maybe: lsof -p `pidof mythbackend|tr ' ' ','` | wc -l
[05:09:26] opello: shows me 1306 while i'm watching tv
[05:10:18] kormoc: wow, that's a lot
[05:10:48] ** kormoc wonders if there's more of a expert in the house **
[05:11:33] marcus2: that shows 1657 when i'm watching tv
[05:11:48] marcus2: 1276 when nothing is going on
[05:11:51] dscoular: What makes you think it's file descriptors that the message relates to ?
[05:12:08] opello: i thought it was memory, but a '1 off' seemed a bit odd
[05:12:09] marcus2: kormoc implied it
[05:12:16] dscoular: uint ThreadedFileWriter::Write(const void *data, uint count)
[05:12:29] dscoular: ./libs/libmythtv/ThreadedFileWriter.cpp
[05:12:37] dscoular: VERBOSE(VB_IMPORTANT, LOC_ERR + "Write() — IOBOUND begin " +
[05:12:38] dscoular: QString("cnt(%1) free(%2)").arg(count).arg(BufFree()));
[05:12:39] opello: aha, that's what TFW is
[05:12:47] dscoular: Xactly
[05:13:38] marcus2: what is BufFree() ?
[05:14:12] dscoular: Presumably your IO buffer is filling up coz there ain't enough throughput
[05:14:19] marcus2: um
[05:14:21] marcus2: curious
[05:14:35] marcus2: its not the fastest i/o subsystem, but its fairly fast
[05:15:13] opello: wonder if there's a way to check the i/o rate, something like gkrellm from the console?
[05:15:21] marcus2: iostat
[05:16:06] opello: if it is a bandwidth problem, that would presumably show it – i would think
[05:16:40] marcus2: well, with a mythtranscode running and livetv, it says my disks are ~20% utilized
[05:16:46] marcus2: with a 8ms service time
[05:16:53] marcus2: so i'm going to say.. not really I/O bound
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[05:17:46] marcus2: top shows <3% iowait
[05:18:52] marcus2: i wonder if this is even related to my real problem
[05:19:10] dscoular: marcus2: what is your real problem ?
[05:19:16] marcus2: (which is that recordings on tuner 2 and tuner 3 don't seem to actually create files that i can watch)
[05:19:42] marcus2: i mean, all three tuners definitely work with mythtv, i can watch livetv on three seperate frontends simultaneously
[05:20:42] dscoular: marcus2: I don't know much about seperate frontends do they maintain their own local ringbuffer ?
[05:21:00] marcus2: i dont think so
[05:21:23] dscoular: marcus2: If the ringbuffer (or whatever the new scheme is called) is remote then there should be no diff between live and record methinks
[05:21:33] marcus2: thats what i would think
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[05:21:59] dscoular: marcus2: In fact live would be more of a strain since it has to stream to the net as well as write to the disk IMHO
[05:22:04] marcus2: yep
[05:22:11] marcus2: i really dont see how its a system performance issue
[05:23:25] marcus2: oh hm
[05:23:44] marcus2: 2006-04–24 22:20:59.318 ChannelBase: Could not find input: Tuner 0 on card when setting channel 4
[05:23:55] marcus2: that happens when the second recording starts up
[05:25:56] dscoular: marcus2: that doesn't sound too good... almost like your DB is confused.
[05:26:00] marcus2: yeah, wtf
[05:26:17] marcus2: basically it got that error and then stopped attempting to record
[05:26:23] kormoc: icky
[05:26:27] marcus2: but if i go out to livetv, it works just fine
[05:26:44] marcus2: (while its still recording another show on another tuner)
[05:26:49] opello: is your TFW really an error?
[05:26:55] dscoular: What happens when you watch livetv on thre FE then hit the record button ?
[05:26:57] marcus2: nope, i'm thinking thats not really related
[05:27:10] kormoc: Well, with 0.19, all live tv is recorded by default...
[05:27:48] opello: ok, i was looking more into the thing and it just says that it's only the number of bytes that can be written without blocking – but i assume it will just block to write when the lock is released
[05:28:04] dscoular: is this 0.18.x or 0.19[-fixes] we are talking about ?
[05:28:12] dscoular: I assume 19
[05:28:20] marcus2: dscouler, that seemed to work
[05:28:33] marcus2: (starting recording the current show)
[05:28:49] dscoular: marcus2: so you have, in effect, got 3 FE's recording ?
[05:29:07] dscoular: marcus2: curiouser and curiouser
[05:29:20] marcus2: nah, i had one previously scheduled recording running
[05:29:25] marcus2: then started a fe in livetv mode and hit r
[05:29:55] dscoular: marcus2: do you have all three now effectively recording ?
[05:30:09] marcus2: er, damnit, 10:30
[05:30:19] dscoular: huh?
[05:30:27] marcus2: oh, everything that was recording wa sa 30 minute show
[05:31:18] dscoular: marcus2: I'm just trying to see if we can get 3 FE's recording to prove that the IO subsystem isn't the issue.
[05:31:49] marcus2: well, i would think that if three FEs are running livetv succesfully, its not an IO issue
[05:32:11] dscoular: marcus2: so would I... just trying the options to see if we learn something new
[05:32:17] marcus2: ok, hold on
[05:34:09] marcus2: ok, there are now three things recording
[05:34:26] marcus2: since i'm just in front of one frontend right now, i basically went into live tv mode, started recording the current show, and then left livetv
[05:34:29] marcus2: and then did it again
[05:34:48] dscoular: Are the all the recordings watchable  ?
[05:34:57] dscoular: if you exit livetv
[05:35:56] marcus2: yes, they are
[05:36:07] marcus2: all watchable
[05:36:18] dscoular: Ok... we've proven that your h/w has the grunt and it's somethin else
[05:36:26] dscoular: As Eddie Cochran would have said
[05:36:44] dscoular: What version of mythtv are we actually talking about here ?
[05:37:06] marcus2: its a gentoo ebuild
[05:37:13] marcus2: media-tv/mythtv-0.19_p9163-r1
[05:37:27] dscoular: Ok... so it's from the 0.19-fixes branch.
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[05:37:43] marcus2: is that a good thing? =D
[05:37:47] dscoular: Yes
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[05:37:58] Chicago: marcus2: I'm runnin gentoo and am using the svn .19-fixes version (not from portage) ... it works pretty good
[05:38:01] kormoc: marcus2, what else is on the system?
[05:38:18] Neeesat25: What windows manager do you recomend?
[05:38:21] marcus2: what do you mean what else?
[05:38:22] dscoular: I'd consider searching through trac
[05:38:41] kormoc: marcus2, are you running any servers that might doing something odd?
[05:38:46] marcus2: nah
[05:38:50] marcus2: its just a desktop
[05:38:50] kormoc: marcus2, dmesg have any info that might be useful?
[05:39:07] dscoular: marcus2: you have proven that it is nothing to do with other services
[05:39:35] dscoular: marcus2: you have just shown that it has no problem recording and it's actually a problem with mythtv IMHO
[05:39:51] marcus2: dscoular; yeah, exactly
[05:39:55] Neeesat25: I am a new into this using debian and I have just install X-windows but what desktop manager do you recomend for myth?
[05:40:04] ** xris kicks apache and mod_auth_digest **
[05:40:11] marcus2: thats what i thought all along
[05:40:12] kormoc: Neeesat25, doesn't really matter, most seem to like kde or gnome
[05:40:13] dscoular: Neeesat25: it really doesn't matter too much.
[05:40:19] marcus2: since three livetv sessions always worked :)
[05:40:28] Neeesat25: Thanks
[05:40:44] kormoc: marcus2, it's just odd, given that live tv uses the same interface as recording.
[05:40:45] dscoular: marcus2: not so much that... more that the recorded instances of livetv also worked.
[05:41:06] dscoular: What did the select of cardinput look like ?
[05:41:23] marcus2: what do you mean?
[05:41:51] dscoular: If you connect the mysql client to your mysql server and query the cardinput table...
[05:42:02] dscoular: mysql -umythtv -pmythtv mythconverg
[05:42:05] marcus2: oh, hold on
[05:42:09] dscoular: select * from cardinput;
[05:42:14] kormoc: xris, what did apache do now?
[05:42:18] dscoular: or select * from cardinputG
[05:42:30] xris: kormoc: digest auth isn't working
[05:42:34] kormoc: ick
[05:42:38] marcus2: oh, huh
[05:42:45] marcus2: 5 rows
[05:42:49] marcus2: thats odd
[05:42:50] dscoular: oh dear
[05:42:52] xris: I'm now seeing why mythweb users complain about it.
[05:43:07] xris: it says one of the commands is unknown, but I know it's correct
[05:43:14] ShockValue: i like mythweb, but on my machine it is slow as hell for some reason
[05:43:18] marcus2: you know
[05:43:20] marcus2: heh
[05:43:34] marcus2: when i first put these two additional tuners in, they did not work
[05:43:50] marcus2: because the tuner chip on them was not recognized by the ivtv driver
[05:43:55] ** kormoc smacks his wifi **
[05:44:00] dscoular: marcus2: I'd be tempted to clear out your card db... but don't blame me if things go more pear shaped ;_
[05:44:03] marcus2: so they showed up in mythsetup with two tuners per card
[05:44:07] marcus2: yeah
[05:44:09] dscoular: s/:_/:)
[05:44:10] marcus2: i hear you
[05:44:12] Chicago: xris: well... apache 1.3x with Basic auth still works :)
[05:44:14] marcus2: i will try that in a second, good plan
[05:44:34] dscoular: marcus2: it must be a relief to know that the hardware isn't the problemo
[05:44:44] xris: Chicago: yeah, doesn't help me in this case... I've never had issues with digest before. plenty of systems are running it, too
[05:44:50] marcus2: i never thought it was ;)
[05:44:54] dscoular: marcus2: just a mythconfigured myth ;_
[05:45:00] dscoular: damn :)
[05:45:45] marcus2: see, even mythtv-setup shows only 3 capture cards
[05:46:11] Chicago: xris: the problem I had with the default .htaccess was there weren't quotation marks around the value for AuthUserFile. (this is when I was setting it up with digest)
[05:46:18] xris: ahhh.. apache 2.2 changes the keywords
[05:46:34] dscoular: marcus2: Maybe it checks for null displaynames or somesuch
[05:47:25] xris: ok, that's better
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[05:47:36] xris: great. now I need to put a caveat in the readme
[05:47:51] Chicago: xris: and the wiki's :)
[05:50:20] marcus2: ok, i cleared out all of the tuners and added them all back
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[05:50:53] marcus2: livetv still works ;)
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[05:51:12] xris: ok, now to figure out how to get xine or mplayer to play my streamed mpeg file
[05:51:32] dscoular: marcus2: phew!
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[05:51:48] Chicago: xris: I think you use a named pipe.. I don't remember the syntax though.
[05:51:56] marcus2: how do i cancel a current recording?
[05:52:04] kormoc: Chicago, named pipe over the web? :P
[05:52:08] xris: Chicago: can't just paste in the url?
[05:52:15] dscoular: marcus2: delete it
[05:52:21] Chicago: kormoc: guess not
[05:52:22] kormoc: xris, yeah, should be fine to do so, least with mplayer
[05:52:29] kavorka^: when using bob deinterlacing is it normal for X to take up 80%cpu?
[05:52:30] dscoular: marcus2: but then I can never get it to schedule again and have to do a manual record
[05:52:43] kormoc: kavorka^, depending on the cpu, yes
[05:53:14] marcus2: thats ok, they were just two random shows that i picked to record in livetv
[05:53:14] dscoular: marcus2: I mean a manually scheduled record (not hitting the R in live)
[05:53:17] marcus2: when we were testing
[05:53:20] kavorka^: karmoc, yeah its weird...ive got X on 80% and mythfrontend on 19%
[05:53:36] xris: kormoc: you'd think. I'm wondering if my self-signed cert causes issues
[05:53:52] kormoc: xris, perhaps, it should display any issues tho
[05:54:24] xris: Playing https://mythtv.forevermore.net/pl/stream/6035/1145609880.mpg.
[05:54:25] xris: File not found: 'mythtv.forevermore.net/pl/stream/6035/1145609880.mpg'
[05:54:28] xris: nice, no?
[05:56:48] xris: now if only I could get it working with non-secure
[05:57:10] xris: I'm apparently too tired to be working on this stuf
[05:58:06] xris: ok, yeah, it was the https. weird
[05:58:36] marcus2: ok
[05:58:52] marcus2: i have three shows scheduled to record in 2 minutes
[05:58:55] ** marcus2 crosses fingers **
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[05:59:32] dscoular: marcus2: how do you do that crosses fingers thing (i'm an irc gumby) ?
[06:00:03] marcus2: /me does something
[06:00:14] ** dscoular learns something new **
[06:00:26] dscoular: marcus2: many thx
[06:01:14] marcus2: no, thank you :)
[06:01:24] kormoc: xris, you should just go to bed :)
[06:01:33] marcus2: all three recordings are working right now
[06:01:36] Gumby: did someone say gumby?
[06:01:56] marcus2: such a stupid simple thing
[06:02:05] marcus2: thanks for suggesting i look at the card db :)
[06:02:16] xris: kormoc: probably. figured out my problem, though.
[06:02:21] xris: I think I'll go get some water, though.
[06:02:29] xris: maybe an ice cold cricket cola
[06:02:32] marcus2: of course
[06:02:37] marcus2: the audio gain is different on the different tuners
[06:02:39] marcus2: how annoying
[06:02:46] kormoc: xris, heh, maybe the other ones won't be so bad
[06:03:02] dscoular: marcus2: maybe you can do alsa magic in your .asoundrc or somesuch
[06:03:16] marcus2: nah, these tuners are all mpeg2
[06:03:22] marcus2: there is some thing i can tweak with ivtv tho
[06:03:26] marcus2: gotta dig it up
[06:03:54] dscoular: marcus2: ah... understood
[06:04:07] xris: kormoc: doubtful. they probably changed their recipe for good. sucks.
[06:04:10] marcus2: ivtvctl -d /dev/video2 -y volume=65000
[06:04:42] dscoular: marcus2: oh well, that's two outta three then ;)
[06:05:03] marcus2: but the bitch is gonna be figuring out the righ tlevels to get the two different kinds of cards sounding the same
[06:05:26] dscoular: marcus2: let me introduce my two good friends: trial and error
[06:05:32] marcus2: yeah
[06:05:45] marcus2: i think i need to get pip going with one of each type of tuner
[06:05:52] marcus2: both tuners on the same channel
[06:06:01] marcus2: and bounce back and forth while tweaking the levels
[06:06:08] dscoular: marcus2: do you think you will actually use pip ?
[06:06:23] dscoular: marcus2: ah... pip for debug
[06:06:25] marcus2: yeah
[06:06:30] marcus2: i cant imagine using it otherwise
[06:06:33] dscoular: marcus2: the first actual useful use!
[06:06:42] marcus2: yeah heh
[06:06:45] dscoular: lol
[06:07:15] xris: w00t, figured out this range stuff
[06:07:27] kormoc: yay!
[06:07:29] marcus2: hrm
[06:08:21] marcus2: jacking the gain up to max is no good
[06:09:06] kormoc: oh gawd. that was perfect. Filet Mignon wrapped in bacon and covered in sumac.
[06:09:13] xris: kormoc: this one *is* a little better
[06:09:30] kormoc: xris, nifty, maybe it was just the end of the batch or similar
[06:09:36] xris: maybe
[06:11:17] xris: I still need to find myself a good cola recipe
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[06:14:32] ShockValue: i made some cola from those home-brew kits.. it was pretty good :)
[06:17:25] xris: ShockValue: that's cheating... using premade flavor extracts, etc.
[06:17:42] ShockValue: 99.9999% of the people drink coke or pepsi, and you call me a cheater? :)
[06:18:16] dscoular: That makes me 0.0001%... ooh that feels good!
[06:18:27] ShockValue: i make my beer from all grain, if that redeems me in the eyes of the all-knowing xris at all....
[06:18:29] xris: whole reason I want to make my own cola is to have something that's NOT coke/pepsi flavored.
[06:18:40] opello: yay, a ten-thousandther
[06:19:05] xris: that's why I like Cricket.. a little extra lime, and green tea.
[06:20:14] dscoular: A ten-thousandther of one percent
[06:20:44] opello: a one ten-thousandther :)
[06:20:53] dscoular: :)
[06:25:32] ** kormoc considers this the best dinner he's had in a long itme **
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[06:30:41] xris: hahaha.. sweet. got multi-part streaming set up in mythweb
[06:31:06] kormoc: awesome!
[06:31:31] xris: mplayer works, gmplayer crashes, xine won't seek...
[06:31:33] xris: so weird
[06:33:19] kormoc: xris, this orange cream yougert is just grand
[06:33:27] xris: cool. I should have bought some
[06:33:28] dscoular: xris: how are you serving the stream... I find vlc is pretty good.
[06:33:48] xris: turns out we already had 3 plain ones in the fridge
[06:33:59] xris: dscoular: I'm reading the file and spitting it to the browser
[06:34:36] dscoular: xris: reading it with what... just apache ?
[06:34:41] xris: perl
[06:34:47] xris: apache freaks out on large files
[06:35:27] dscoular: Wouldn't vlc or ffserver give you free transcoding so that you could send low bandwidth versions too ?
[06:35:55] dscoular: Using vlc would also let you pause fastforward and rewind.
[06:35:56] xris: yeah, which I will eventually do
[06:36:05] kormoc: dscoular, doesn't ffserver require it's own port and all that jazz?
[06:36:13] xris: I won't use vlc. too much of a pita for people to set up
[06:36:18] xris: kormoc: yeah. so does ffserver
[06:37:06] dscoular: Why is vlc a pain in the ass ? It's just a long command line... it's already in mythstream methinks ?
[06:37:48] dscoular: ffserver and vlc are both difficult but probly worth it for the ability to realtime transcode
[06:38:02] xris: ffserver is just a wrapper to ffmpeg
[06:38:16] xris: would rather use my own wrapper and not have to have people install/configure ffserver
[06:38:19] ** dscoular realises he just contradicted myself **
[06:38:48] dscoular: xris: So how will you control bandwidth ?
[06:39:22] xris: dscoular: this isn't to that point yet. for now, it's just so people don't get the "file not found" errors when they try to download files from mythweb
[06:39:54] dscoular: xris: mythstream was pretty good IMHO
[06:39:56] xris: next step is to get flashvideo hooked up
[06:40:26] ** dscoular realises his bus is due... **
[06:40:26] xris: mythstream is a POS until the author keeps up with development (or bothers to contact me for info about integrating it better)
[06:40:56] dscoular: xris: ah... okay
[06:40:57] xris: er, mythstreamtv (not to be confused with mythstream)
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[06:47:00] marcus2: i love that even with 3 tuners, i still have recording conflicts
[06:50:34] eiggirC: marcus2: I only have four FTA channels to choose from
[06:50:53] eiggirC: my main niggle has been programmes that start just after one finishes, and I want record
[06:51:07] eiggirC: marcus2: erm... "When I want to record two programmes in a row" <-- shorter
[06:51:27] eiggirC: often theres a piece of one at the start/end of the other one
[06:51:30] marcus2: FTA?
[06:51:34] eiggirC: and two tuners fixes that
[06:51:36] eiggirC: free to air
[06:51:42] marcus2: oh, OTA ;)
[06:51:47] eiggirC: no satellite or dvb or anything here
[06:51:52] marcus2: my problem is !@#!$ law & order
[06:51:57] eiggirC: and I still have more stuff recorded than I can watch :)
[06:52:09] marcus2: sometimes there are three episodes on the air at once, and i want to record something else as well
[06:52:34] marcus2: 650GB isn't really enough space anymore
[06:53:31] eiggirC: marcus2: I have 120 Gb (three 40 Gb drives) and I nuvexport movies to my nfs server, which is ~200 Gb
[06:53:56] eiggirC: marcus2: at work I have a 2 Tb backup server, but the main server still only has 4 x 36 Gb scsi
[06:54:19] marcus2: i have a system that should end up with about 1tb usable, i really need to get around to spinning it up as a mythtv server
[06:54:35] marcus2: but man, its loud
[06:55:07] vallor: anybody know the deep juju necessary to get mythjobqueue working?
[06:55:20] eiggirC: marcus2: so make it a dedicated backend and use something small as a frontend
[06:55:24] marcus2: i have some systems at work with about 3tb of usable space on them, those sure would be nice for mythtv ;)
[06:55:30] eiggirC: marcus2: and put the backend somewehere else
[06:55:32] marcus2: eiggirc; i already use seperate frontends
[06:55:37] marcus2: i just have nowhere good to put the backend
[06:55:55] marcus2: maybe if i ran coax and cat5 out to the garage
[06:55:58] marcus2: but that would be a real bitch
[06:56:12] marcus2: tempting tho
[06:56:18] eiggirC: marcus2: do it over summer
[06:56:25] eiggirC: marcus2: its really *really* worth doing
[06:56:55] eiggirC: I have three links of cat5e external out to my garage.... at one stage the only switch was inside :)
[06:57:02] eiggirC: inside the house
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[06:57:45] marcus2: the garage is about 25' from the house
[06:57:57] marcus2: no good way to get wires out there
[06:59:36] marcus2: i was thinking about the attic, but i'm afraid it gets way too hot up there on warm days
[06:59:57] eiggirC: marcus2: one good way is to run the cable most of the way under the bottom rail of a fence
[07:00:13] eiggirC: remember you have 100 metres from end to end
[07:00:23] marcus2: yeah, unfortunately theres no clean way to get it from the house to the fence
[07:00:32] eiggirC: or you get some cheap pipe and a hat and spade and bury a length of it
[07:00:35] eiggirC: I did that too
[07:00:39] marcus2: there is a sidewalk between the house and the fence
[07:00:55] marcus2: i've already spent some time thinking about this :)
[07:01:38] marcus2: oh well, bedtime!
[07:03:26] eiggirC: marcus2: dig a deeper hole, or cut the concrete, or (last resort) string an aerial cable
[07:03:30] eiggirC: how does the power get out there?
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[07:10:39] offset: Is it possible to tweak the playback brightness/contrast in mythtv without using xv?
[07:22:16] kormoc: offset, sure, via the db
[07:23:05] offset: kormoc: iirc that is for recording, not playback
[07:24:27] offset: i've been looking around and it seems like using xv is the only way to change the playback contrast/brightness
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[07:33:10] kormoc: offset, well, if you change it for recording, playback would change as well...
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[08:38:51] blafd: damn
[08:39:07] blafd: in the long run i want to hook up my raid array for myth
[08:39:27] blafd: i was hearing you can get 120gb scsi drives for it from my pal as well
[08:40:11] ** blafd scoulds the puney 18s or whatever its got now **
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[08:49:16] linagee: why do user jobs only start when all recording is over? i want the job to start right after each show! :-/
[08:49:49] linagee: (pvr250 only takes 2% cpu. it can do transcoding and recording at once)
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[08:53:30] blafd: Man that fucking retarded company
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[08:53:41] blafd: how are you supposed to fixes sasser machines?
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[08:54:24] Dr_Barnowl: blafd: 1) Insert Ubuntu LiveCD ......
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[09:23:05] danst: Hi I have the following problem (using mythtv 0.19 on gentoo). my /etc/init.d/mythbackend is not working (i already tried zap) if i start mythbackend manually it starts without error but i am unable to do an manual database update with nxtvepg data (which worked for 0.18). it does not rais an error message just "attempting to contact the master backend for rescheduling..."
[09:24:59] Chicago: danst: did you unmerge the old version of mythtv? and then delete the mythconverg database? or did you just update it all?
[09:26:00] danst: i did a fresh start with the system and installed 0.18 first before upgrading i deleted the mythconverg database
[09:26:08] danst: (and reinitialized it)
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[09:31:46] danst: I just tried it again... my mythbackend say unknown socket closing after i ran mythfilldatabase (with an xml file supplied)
[09:34:45] danst: this is what i get from mythfilldatabase isnt this weired since i dont have a masterbackend (I have only one backend):| Attempting to contact the master backend for rescheduling. |
[09:34:45] danst: | If the master is not running, rescheduling will happen when |
[09:34:45] danst: | the master backend is restarted.
[09:36:26] stuarta: that's normal
[09:38:25] Chicago: What's this error from the backend usually mean? it repeats every couple line. 2006-04–25 04:36:48.487 TFW, Error: Write() — IOBOUND begin cnt(2048) free(2047)
[09:38:26] Chicago: 2006-04–25 04:36:48.491 TFW, Error: Write() — IOBOUND end
[09:45:27] danst: mythfilldatabase says: 2006-04–25 11:28:48.083 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost 2006-04–25 11:28:54.346 New DB connection, total: 2
[09:45:27] danst: 2006-04–25 11:28:54.349 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost 2006-04–25 11:28:56.527 Updating icons for sourceid: 1 Updated programs: 0 Unchanged programs: 0
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[10:10:38] blafd: hey
[10:10:44] blafd: heres a tip
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[10:12:03] blafd: you might even want to put it in the topic ... but the kernel has a option for in the DVB code for additional debuging infomartion, its advisable to have a go with it turned on if your experincing problems
[10:15:22] Calroth: or, live on the edge, run the linuxtv.org development drivers :-)
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[10:19:25] unicorn___: Hi all,is it poss
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[10:19:39] Calroth: yup :-)
[10:19:47] unicorn___: possible to play mp4 files using mythvideo?
[10:20:13] Calroth: i use mplayer with mythvideo and it seems to work
[10:20:24] Calroth: though i haven't tried in a long time
[10:20:39] unicorn___: I have a clip in mp4, video plays fine, bot now audio. IT complains it can't find the AAC codec, whcih I have
[10:21:09] Calroth: are you using mplayer?
[10:21:20] unicorn___: mplayer plays it fine, but I want to understand why mythvideo interal is failing to find the codec
[10:21:42] Calroth: oh, that i don't know, i just tell mythvideo to use mplayer
[10:21:46] blafd: hm
[10:22:45] blafd: something is dawning on me here
[10:22:55] blafd: excuse me for being a dumb ass
[10:24:31] blafd: it makes sense to get anomilys while running under a x64 processor/chipset setup, and then using a usb hub driver coded in 32bit times ?
[10:25:09] Calroth: i dunno that one
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[10:30:29] unicorn___: what aspect do you use when outputing to a widesrcreen tv?
[10:31:26] blafd: 16:9
[10:35:13] unicorn___: blafd, do you explicitly set the aspect to be 16:9, won't that output a 16:9 picture on a 16:9 screen (will have black bars top and bottom)
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[10:57:37] Calroth: from what I understand, you set the height and width of your screen in xorg.conf
[10:57:53] Calroth: and mythtv somehow reads that and figures out what aspect ratio you want?
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[12:06:16] stuarta: afternoon Juski
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[12:09:52] Juski: afternoon stuarta
[12:10:06] Juski: downloading mythdora at home at the moment
[12:10:32] stuarta: no idea what I'm doing. I must be at lunch :)
[12:11:33] Juski: heh
[12:11:48] Juski: it's cool to be able to download stuff at home while still at work
[12:12:12] stuarta: and compile stuff, saves quite a bit of time
[12:12:21] Juski: bastard! ebay doesn't have any fx5200 cards for less than the new price. what are people doing with old hardware these days?
[12:13:41] Juski: will any gf4 card do xvmc?
[12:13:46] stuarta: trying out different irssi themes, at least there's a bitchx theme
[12:14:08] Juski: irssi has themes? ooo
[12:14:11] stuarta: suspect so. you'ld have to check the website
[12:14:27] stuarta: look at the screenshot for c0ders theme :)
[12:16:40] Juski: heheh. found a gf4mx for under a tenner
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[13:17:05] Dibblah_: Hmmm... nbd-client --swap /dev/nbd0 ... doesn't work for swap.
[13:17:59] Dibblah_: But nbd-client /dev/nbd0 ... does. Wierd.
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[13:28:24] Juski: it's all gorn quiet
[13:28:47] stuarta: i've fallen asleep
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[14:25:53] drdaz: lo all... I was just wondering if there's some way of making mythmusic not display the .ogg extension on my music files. I'm using the 'Ignore ID3 tags' option, but while mp3s show the name of the song only, the oggs show the extension too...
[14:29:53] drdaz: presumably there's a helper script that scans the music folder and updates the database.. I'd imagine its just a matter of tweaking some regular expressions in there...
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[15:14:13] ** blafd OVER ARM BOWLS A GF fx5200 AGAINST THE WALL.. WITH EXTREME PREDAUCIOUS **
[15:14:30] blafd: take that sucker fewl!!
[15:14:34] drdaz: what did it do to you?
[15:15:27] ** blafd whilstles inconspiciously.. it wasn't me **
[15:15:35] drdaz: oO
[15:16:03] Juski: shoulda thrown it my way
[15:16:53] blafd: nah nvidia shouldnt of bothered with the 5200 though
[15:17:57] blafd: or it should of been graded from the 500 specs
[15:18:53] blafd: heh it did give me some gaming pleasure saying that
[15:19:04] blafd: but i only had it for like 2 mnths
[15:20:15] blafd: I mean really the same goes for that mx4000 thing
[15:20:39] blafd: there just gona make allot of end users sore disapointed with all this watering down they do
[15:21:06] Juski: and the users who don't care a rat's arse about gaming?
[15:21:43] blafd: hey they are sure to work smashingly for a htpc myth boxen ;)
[15:21:55] drdaz: they get decent-priced cards
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[15:22:23] Juski: hardware for game machines is a mug's game
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[15:22:59] blafd: the best card i baught was a gforce 4600ti and it broke my back man, but it rocked surviourly
[15:25:04] ** blafd makes a mental note: do not repeat do NOT over arm bowl 5200's at wall, save them for ebay instead **
[15:30:24] Zider: over arm bowl?
[15:32:12] scopeuk: cricket bowling
[15:32:29] Zider: what's that?
[15:32:35] scopeuk: clockwise throw startign near base of back over the head adn then releaseing at between 12 adn 3 oclock
[15:32:40] scopeuk: cricket is a sport
[15:32:50] Zider: never heard of
[15:33:01] scopeuk: where you from?
[15:33:05] Zider: sweden
[15:33:25] scopeuk: hmm weird probably te nordic conditions are not to friendly to it its a summer sport
[15:33:42] stuarta: all you need to know is the English invented it, exported it to the rest of the commonwealth, and haven't played it well since... :-P
[15:33:44] Zider: well, we have summers here :P
[15:33:57] scopeuk: steveb last sumemr was ok
[15:34:13] scopeuk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cricket
[15:34:37] steveb: huh?
[15:34:57] scopeuk: measnt stuarta sorry
[15:35:10] scopeuk: got wrong nick on auto complete sorry
[15:35:23] stuarta: damn shame we lost the ashes....
[15:35:38] scopeuk: eh now i see the angle ;-)
[15:35:43] scopeuk: not from my pov
[15:35:47] scopeuk: was a damn good last game though
[15:35:49] stuarta: :-P
[15:36:04] stuarta: ah well, going to see the match in Sydney in the new year.
[15:36:21] scopeuk: fantastic
[15:36:26] scopeuk: unfurtunately alot out of my budget
[15:36:31] Zider: scopeuk: looks like baseball or something
[15:36:37] scopeuk: although next match at trent bridge i can get tickets for im there
[15:36:50] scopeuk: Zider its kinda like a slightly more sivalised baseball
[15:36:57] stuarta: not due for one for 2–3yrs tho?
[15:36:58] scopeuk: civalised*
[15:37:13] Zider: civilized?
[15:37:14] scopeuk: england australia is a big matchand a fair way off i think
[15:37:20] scopeuk: nto sure may have to look into it soon
[15:37:35] scopeuk: zider bit genteler and less vicious
[15:37:37] Juski:
[15:37:41] Zider: k
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[15:37:46] stuarta: next ashes is in Australia at the end of the year
[15:37:55] scopeuk: yeh i knwo that much
[15:38:09] stuarta: then the one after should be summer +2
[15:38:19] scopeuk: yeh
[15:38:25] stuarta: ie. 2008
[15:38:35] drdaz: anybody here using the new nvidia drivers with PAL output to a TV and xvmc?
[15:38:56] drdaz: or in fact... any of their drivers for that matter
[15:39:51] Juski: drdaz: what's the big deal? tvout is easy
[15:40:20] drdaz: xvmc just doesnt work that well tbh
[15:40:36] Juski: sometimes it doesn't
[15:40:48] drdaz: I've dropped back to standard... and I can do that cos I've got a beefy CPU, but..
[15:41:06] drdaz: this is pretty consistent... choppy audio
[15:41:20] drdaz: I've tried the jazz on the wiki... no dice
[15:41:44] drdaz: sadly cant use nvagp since I'm using an ALi based mobo
[15:41:57] drdaz: they allegedly dont play nice together
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[15:43:24] drdaz: all of the 8 series drivers including the latest cause X to use massive amounts of CPU when I use deinterlace and a 50Hz mode
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[15:44:52] mmead: drdaz: what does nvagp do?
[15:45:06] drdaz: mmead, how do you mean?
[15:45:11] mmead: drdaz: what is the option used for?
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[15:45:19] Zider: nvidias own agp drivers
[15:45:23] Zider: instead of the kernels
[15:45:25] drdaz: oh it uses an... what he said
[15:45:53] mmead: so if I run the NVIDIA installer and have it install its kernel module and X modules, it doesn't use the nvidia unless I se nvagp=1 ?
[15:46:03] mmead: s/se /set /
[15:46:16] drdaz: agp driver != gfx card driver
[15:46:17] Zider: mmead: it tries the kernel agp drivers first, if they don't work it tries the nvidia driver
[15:46:25] mmead: Zider: aha
[15:46:26] Zider: nvidia agp driver even
[15:46:44] Zider: it's still the same driver for the gpu and stuff
[15:46:48] mmead: Zider: I see...
[15:46:51] Zider: just diferent agp chip drivers
[15:46:55] mmead: Zider: I will have to try nvagp then
[15:47:02] mmead: I still cannot get low cpu use for bob
[15:47:09] Zider: I don't use any tho ;)
[15:47:18] mmead: linear blend does alright, but bob goes >90%
[15:47:43] drdaz: mmead, I'm not sure if this is still the case, but you might have to disable agpgart from loading to use nvagp
[15:48:03] mmead: drdaz: hmm, thanks for the tip... what is agpart?  :)
[15:48:13] Zider: agpgart = kernel agp driver
[15:48:14] drdaz: the kernel agp driver :)
[15:48:23] mmead: ahh
[15:48:25] Zider: and you shouldn't need to disable it
[15:48:44] mmead: lsmod | grep agp turns up nothing
[15:48:55] Zider: it might be compiled in
[15:49:05] mmead: grep -i agp /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[15:49:05] mmead: (II) NVIDIA(0): Detected AGP rate: 8X
[15:49:24] mmead: no agp settings in xorg.conf
[15:49:27] drdaz: try dmesg |grep agpgart
[15:49:39] mmead: lots of them there
[15:49:47] mmead: looks like one each time X was loaded or unloaded
[15:50:37] mmead: hmm, wikipedia says agpart must be completely removed from the kernel to use nvagp
[15:50:42] Zider: cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status
[15:51:22] drdaz: mmead, yeah thats why I said it :) I havent tried it myself...
[15:52:16] Zider: it says if you have agpgart or not
[15:52:17] drdaz: mmead, what CPU and driver version are you using?
[15:53:13] Zider: have you looked at the other nvidia module options?
[15:53:24] mmead: Zider: yeah, it's on
[15:53:33] mmead: Zider: like which?
[15:53:38] Zider: modinfo nvidia
[15:53:45] mmead: drdaz: athlon 64 @ 1800mhz
[15:53:49] Zider: like; parm: NVreg_EnableALiAGP:int
[15:53:56] mmead: drdaz: 64 bit mode kernel, userspace, drivers
[15:54:04] Zider: dunno what it does, just thinking.. :)
[15:54:05] mmead: drdaz: driver ver is currently 7667, no xvmc, no vsync
[15:54:10] drdaz: kk
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[15:54:22] mmead: 7667 seems to achieve the lowest cpu use for me at the moment
[15:54:25] mmead: kernel 2.6.15.1
[15:54:42] Zider: mmead: I think there was some problems with 7667
[15:54:47] drdaz: Zider, I havent tried that option yet... they say its likely to cause instability
[15:55:18] mmead: Zider: I have worse cpu use issues with 8756 and 8178
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[15:55:50] drdaz: mmead, X uses all your spare CPU time right?
[15:55:55] drdaz: with the 8 series
[15:56:02] mmead: drdaz: pretty much
[15:56:10] Zider: mmead: oh?
[15:56:13] drdaz: I'm amazed other people havent reported that...
[15:56:32] dirk_: Hey guys I hope someone will be able to help
[15:56:36] mmead: Zider: yep
[15:56:50] mmead: Zider: with bob deinterlacing I get >95% cpu use
[15:56:54] Zider: I haven't really noticed the cpu usage myself.. one system is powerful enough for it to not show up and the other don't have a load meter ;)
[15:57:16] drdaz: Zider, I'd enable that option for the nvidia module in modprobe.conf presumably yeah?
[15:57:36] mmead: Zider: I see it by choppiness and prebuffering pauses creeping in
[15:57:42] dirk_: I'm trying to get mythtv up and going but for some reason mythbackend cannot connect to the database, any help would be greatly appreciated
[15:57:43] mmead: Zider: >90% and I start seeing that happen
[15:58:02] mmead: Zider: with 7667 and linear blend deinterlacing, I'm getting about 65% cpu use for 1080i, 40% cpu use for 720p
[15:58:14] drdaz: Zider, heh... have a look at it.. it doesnt cause stuttering for me, but it completely defeats the point of using xvmc...
[15:58:27] drdaz: heh... my problems are just with SDTV
[15:58:29] drdaz: lmao
[15:58:34] Zider: I've never used (de)interlacing or that bob thing tho
[15:58:46] mmead: when I have a cpu use issue with an nvidia driver, I also get near 100% cpu to bob deinterlace plain old sd
[15:59:10] drdaz: Zider, ahh... then you might not see it...
[15:59:17] Zider: drdaz: probably not
[15:59:26] Zider: I don't do hdtv either :)
[15:59:39] dirk_: this is what I get when I run mythbackend http://rafb.net/paste/results/Bb1b4W68.html
[15:59:41] Zider: I can't even go over 640x480 on this crappy card
[16:00:10] Zider: for some reason 800x600 has disappeared from the mode list for tv-out
[16:00:36] mmead: dirk_: it looks like you are missing the qt-mt-mysql driver
[16:00:41] drdaz: its those classy new drivers
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[16:00:54] drdaz: they managed to balls everything up
[16:01:02] drdaz: Zider, u in PAL land?
[16:01:05] Zider: drdaz: yeah
[16:01:08] drdaz: ahh
[16:01:14] drdaz: bugger
[16:01:21] Zider: they do have some weird 760x576 or something tho
[16:01:26] Zider: but I can't use it
[16:01:40] Zider: that and 1024x768 (max res) gets all white
[16:01:47] dirk_: ok, I'm running gentoo do I just emerge it
[16:01:47] drdaz: setting TVStandard to HD576i gives u 800x600 interlaced and nothing else
[16:02:03] Zider: dirk_: you need "mysql" as use flag for qt
[16:02:03] drdaz: which makes so little sense it gives me a headache
[16:02:45] Zider: drdaz: no hd on this card
[16:03:08] drdaz: 576i isnt HD
[16:03:22] drdaz: but the 800x600 is at 60Hz..
[16:03:23] dirk_: ok, I compiled qt before I added mysql use flag should I just reemerge?
[16:03:33] drdaz: so if u can live with that.. you'll likely be sorted
[16:03:43] drdaz: xvmc works well there too
[16:03:49] Zider: drdaz: 1024 and 640 is also at 60Hz.. :P
[16:03:52] Zider: so I don't mind
[16:03:53] drdaz: with deinterlacing and the whole works
[16:04:11] drdaz: heh... give it a bash..
[16:04:37] Zider: 576i isn't listed as a tvstandard value
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[16:05:42] drdaz: actually... mmead: you might want to give that a look too
[16:05:43] drdaz: HD576i is
[16:05:43] drdaz: you're using the new driver yeah?
[16:05:55] Zider: yes
[16:06:13] Zider: just "5761" worked, but no 800x600 resolution listed
[16:06:22] Zider: 576i even
[16:06:36] drdaz: no... but 800x600 was the only thing mine would use
[16:06:42] dirk_: thanks guys I'm reemerging with USE="mysql" emerge qt
[16:06:43] drdaz: its the nvidia-auto kacka
[16:06:54] dirk_: I hope this works
[16:06:57] drdaz: --> 800x600@60
[16:07:41] drdaz: custom modelines over tvout seem to be totally ignored with this driver
[16:08:24] Zider: drdaz: yeah it set 800x600 now, but the screen is just blue garbage..
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[16:08:33] drdaz: heh
[16:08:40] Zider: or grey at first, then blue
[16:08:52] drdaz: not the result u were looking for really
[16:08:55] drdaz: :-|
[16:08:56] Zider: nope
[16:09:12] Zider: I'd prefer to get 1024 working tho, but that just gives me a white screen
[16:09:22] drdaz: really dont get wtf is wrong with nvidia...
[16:09:36] drdaz: how hard can it possibly be to not break everything all the time
[16:09:40] Zider: I'd guess my card sucks tho
[16:09:41] ** drdaz sighs **
[16:09:59] drdaz: which card?
[16:10:10] Zider: gf2mx
[16:10:15] drdaz: :D
[16:10:37] drdaz: well they arent supported anymore..
[16:10:41] Zider: it does list 1024 as max res on the tv-out tho so the SPECS are fine.. just not the functionality :P
[16:10:46] Zider: drdaz: yes they are
[16:10:59] drdaz: nvidia say they are releasing a... really?
[16:11:11] Zider: it's listed
[16:11:18] drdaz: heh ok
[16:11:36] drdaz: weird... thought they were classed 'legacy'
[16:11:48] Zider: no, but the older geforce chip is
[16:11:54] drdaz: yeh..
[16:12:01] drdaz: I gotta go eat something
[16:12:04] drdaz: bbl
[16:12:12] Beirdo: lucky something
[16:12:19] drdaz: :p
[16:12:43] Zider: GeForce2 MX/MX 400 0x0110
[16:12:52] Beirdo: I SO don't wanna pack today
[16:12:53] Beirdo: sigh
[16:13:02] stuarta: last day?
[16:13:08] Beirdo: nearly
[16:13:12] Beirdo: leaving Monday
[16:13:24] Beirdo: got stacks of boxes and stuff to bring to dad's still
[16:13:42] Beirdo: and a HUGE pile of cabling to pack up for the computers
[16:14:07] Beirdo: and then there's the kitchen
[16:14:08] Beirdo: sigh
[16:14:31] gardengnome: sissy. :)
[16:14:56] ** Beirdo beats gardengnome with a 3D-cell maglite **
[16:15:28] gardengnome: heh
[16:15:31] Zider: maglite <3
[16:15:32] Beirdo: or is it a 4D-cell?
[16:15:39] Zider: 6D
[16:15:44] Beirdo: whatever, a good blunt object regardless
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[16:16:00] Beirdo: I don't have a 6D, those are for people who are trying to compensate...
[16:16:05] Beirdo: like the cops... hehe
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[16:17:06] Beirdo: maglites rule though
[16:17:07] Zider: 6 dimensions are pretty tricky tho :P
[16:17:49] Beirdo: make the average flashlight look like the POS that it is
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[16:18:06] Beirdo: morning, xris
[16:18:17] xris: morning
[16:18:22] xris: play with your air2pc yet?
[16:18:25] Beirdo: heh
[16:18:34] Beirdo: I installed it, then packed the computer :)
[16:18:43] Beirdo: ain't got no TV, so not much I can do
[16:19:21] Beirdo: wonder why they put SUCH a huge length on the antenna jack?
[16:19:34] gardengnome: to compensate?
[16:19:39] Beirdo: hehe
[16:19:41] Beirdo: must be
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[16:20:22] Beirdo: they have like 1.5" or so sticking out the back
[16:20:27] gardengnome: heh
[16:20:35] Beirdo: you only need about 0.5"
[16:20:51] Beirdo: 1cm for the non-Yanks
[16:20:52] Beirdo: :)
[16:21:06] Zider: metric <3
[16:22:11] Beirdo: well, I guess the van isn't gonna pack itself
[16:22:12] Beirdo: :(
[16:22:23] Beirdo: lazy-ass van
[16:22:54] Zider: lazy-ass weirdo
[16:22:56] Zider: oops, Beirdo
[16:23:14] Beirdo: I'm not lazy... just motivationally-challenged
[16:24:13] psymin: if anyone has experience using an osprey card (like the pci-x 230) I'd love some advice =]
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[17:22:19] drdaz: duh... looks like I had AGP disabled altogether (NvAGP=0)... that might explain why it sucked
[17:22:21] drdaz: time will tell
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[17:24:18] Blammo_Work: DrDaz: I discovered that when NvAGP was set correctly, I was actually able to turn XvMC off, and run with enough CPU power (AMD XP 3200@2200mhz).
[17:25:10] drdaz: ok... I have been able to run on CPU power... that's kinda what I'm trying to avoid :)
[17:25:35] drdaz: given that I've got a gfx card that should be able to do most of the work, I'd like to use it
[17:26:03] Zider: I think I'll get a gf6200 or something.. this card plain suck :P
[17:26:13] Blammo_Work: get a 5xxx series
[17:26:19] Blammo_Work: less lock-ups with XvMC
[17:26:23] drdaz: Zider, IIRC the 6 series have issues
[17:26:30] Zider: I'm not very interested in xvmc
[17:26:53] Blammo_Work: the drivers you have to have for the 6xxx series take you places that have XvMC stability problems during FF/REW on some machines.
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[17:27:22] Zider: like I said; xvmc is not what I'm gonna use
[17:27:29] dirk_: ok guys I reemerged qt with USE="mysql" and I'm still getting the same problem when I run mythbackend QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded
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[17:27:34] drdaz: Blammo_Work, do the new drivers not fix things?
[17:27:42] dirk_: what am i doing wrong?
[17:27:59] Juski: bloody stupid knoppmyth users, posting questions on a non-knoppmyth forum
[17:27:59] Blammo_Work: The new drivers, yes, can fix problems.
[17:28:01] Zider: dirk_: what use flags do you have for mysql and qt?
[17:28:31] Juski: USE="foo bar MYSQL QT foobar etc"
[17:28:56] Blammo_Work: DrDaz: overall, I've had the best stability on heavily used systems, if you want to use XvMC, on the 5xxx chipsets. (Additionally, you get color overlay with XvMC.. they removed the ability in the 6xxx chipsets)
[17:29:02] dirk_: for qt I used mysql and for mysql I used qt
[17:29:17] drdaz: Blammo_Work, what!??!
[17:29:24] drdaz: I'm using a 5200
[17:29:25] Blammo_Work: From a stability standpoint Non-XVMC > XvMC 5xxx > XvMC 6xxx
[17:29:40] drdaz: and the OSD is certainly B&W
[17:29:51] Zider: dirk_: mysql doesn't have a qt use flag
[17:29:54] Blammo_Work: DrDaz : there's a "beta-ish" fix you can apply. it's not on be default.
[17:29:58] drdaz: I'm using chromakey mind...
[17:30:05] xris: Beirdo: so I got partial-retrieval for mythweb hooked up.. can now skip around in the streamed files.
[17:30:05] Blammo_Work: DrDaz : It's a MySQL change
[17:30:15] drdaz: chromakey yeah?
[17:30:34] dirk_: its just in my make.conf file but for qt I used USE="mysql" emerge qt
[17:30:47] Zider: dirk_: I have no use flags for mysql and "mysql opengl" for qt
[17:31:21] Juski: drdaz: see the wiki entry on chromakey OSD
[17:31:30] dirk_: do I have t load the QMYSQL3 driver?
[17:31:32] drdaz: Juski, yeah :) I use chromakey
[17:31:58] Zider: dirk_: what you have in make.conf isn't interesting, it's what mysql and qt is actually compiled with that's worth knowing :P
[17:32:37] Blammo_Work: DrDaz: other suggestion, from a memory bandwith, if you're going to get a 5xxx card, get one of the "ultra" cards with DDR2 on it.. the memory bandwidth is a big help for HDTV resolutions.
[17:32:39] Juski: Zider: what? when you emerge anything, it takes your make.conf into account, I'd have thought
[17:32:48] Zider: Juski: yes, and some default flags
[17:32:50] dirk_: ok how do I make sure its compiled with mysql?
[17:33:03] Zider: Juski: some flags is "on" by default
[17:33:21] kormoc: Blammo_Work, wouldn't it be better to go with a 256 bit interface rather then 128 if you're going for bandwidth?
[17:33:22] drdaz: Blammo_Work, I've got a bog standard 5200... but I've only got a PAL CRT
[17:33:23] Juski: dirk_: the standard way is to have MYSQL in the USE flags within your make.conf
[17:33:29] drdaz: so HD isnt really a concern
[17:33:31] Zider: dirk_: do "emerge -pv mysql qt mythtv" and paste it to a pastebin
[17:33:52] dirk_: ok I'll try that
[17:34:17] Blammo_Work: Kormoc: You're not really working the card that hard.... playing back 1280x720px60fps takes some serious memory bandwidth, for example.
[17:35:17] dirk_: http://rafb.net/paste/results/wyc2Px28.html
[17:36:00] Juski: dirk_: qt4? myth won't work with qt4 will it?
[17:36:03] kormoc: Blammo_Work, sure, but gddr3 uses a 256 bit memory interface over the 128 bit gddr2, which helps memory bandwidth more, hence my saying, why limit yourself to gddr2?
[17:36:25] dirk_: I didn't relize that
[17:36:38] dirk_: what version should I use
[17:36:47] Juski: at least not yet anyway... it's planned to be supported at some point
[17:36:51] Juski: qt3.x.x
[17:37:06] Zider: no, qt4 doesn't work well iirc
[17:38:14] kormoc: qt4 isn't supported at all iirc
[17:38:27] dirk_: ok If I run emerge -p qt it says [ebuild R ] x11-libs/qt-3.3.4-r8
[17:38:54] kormoc: dirk_, what's the problem?
[17:39:11] Juski: so erm.. why did that paste you did have qt4.whatever in the list then?
[17:39:34] kormoc: Juski, gentoo can have both installed, so programs that want/can use qt 4 can use it, else defaults to 3.x
[17:39:40] dirk_: sorry thats after I take ACCEPTABLE_KEYWORDS out
[17:40:07] Zider: dirk_: that's a bad way to get "unstable" packages
[17:40:12] Juski: yeh but shouldn't qt3 be a dep of mythtv in the ebuild file?
[17:40:25] Zider: Juski: no, just "qt"
[17:40:28] kormoc: Juski, it is, the R he has there shows that it's already installed
[17:40:32] dirk_: should I remove qt4
[17:40:35] Zider: Juski: it doesn't check for qt3 specifically
[17:40:36] kormoc: no...
[17:41:04] kormoc: $(qt_min_version 3.3)
[17:41:06] Zider: dirk_: yeah, toss out qt4 and just go with qt3
[17:41:14] Juski: Zider: I think it _should_ check for qt3 since it won't work with 4
[17:41:21] dirk_: by the way thanks for the guys, I appreciated it greatly
[17:41:24] ** kormoc notes that it does check for qt 3.3 **
[17:41:31] Zider: Juski: yes, it should.. the ebuild is badly written it seems..
[17:41:34] kormoc: ...
[17:41:45] kormoc: Zider, what's wrong with the check?
[17:41:54] Zider: dirk_: http://pastebin.ca/51231 – these are my use flags.. in case you still have problems..
[17:42:12] Zider: kormoc: it should require at least qt3 but not qt4
[17:42:20] dirk_: thanks, I'm unmergeing qt4 now
[17:42:21] kormoc: Zider, it *does*
[17:42:29] Juski: blimey – that's a short USE flag list
[17:42:44] Zider: kormoc: it sure didn't complain here when I had qt4 only installed
[17:42:47] kormoc: Zider, line 40, $(qt_min_version 3.3)
[17:42:49] Zider: until the compile that is
[17:42:55] kormoc: Zider, ooh? it should...
[17:43:02] dirk_: ok I unmerged qt4 and still have the same problem
[17:43:04] Zider: kormoc: it should, but it didn't :P
[17:43:14] dirk_: I guess I will try to reemerge qt3
[17:43:19] Zider: Juski: well, it's a minimal system :P
[17:43:19] Juski: dirk_: you might have to re-emerge
[17:43:25] kormoc: Zider, what version of portage?
[17:43:43] Juski: I'm gonna evaluate mythdora when my new gf4 card arrives
[17:43:57] dirk_: can I just reemerge qt? or do I have to reemerge mysql and mythtv
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[17:44:09] kormoc: Zider, you see, under line 5, it inherits qt3, which requires qt3, and sets the min version to qt 3.3, hence why it requires qt 3.
[17:44:28] kormoc: dirk_, what's the issue?
[17:44:36] Zider: kormoc: portage 2.1_pre9-r3
[17:44:39] Juski: dirk_ emerging mythtv should pull everything it needs
[17:44:47] dirk_: ok
[17:45:05] kormoc: Zider, that should work fine... it is not a badly written ebuild, something is just borked on your system...
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[17:46:55] Zider: kormoc: it was a fresh install, just updated world and portage to latest version and masked the packages needed (and for some reason qt as well).. and mythtv wanted qt4 as a dependency..
[17:47:04] Blammo_Work: kormoc: RE DDR memory.. I guess I meant versus DDR1, which a lot of the lower end 5xxx 6xxx cards seem to have.
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[17:47:35] Blammo_Work: you're right about DDR2 versus DDR3
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[17:47:58] kormoc: Blammo_Work, ooh, well, you don't get upto gddr2 until the 5700 ultra, which is the same price range as a 5950 with gddr3, hence my confusion on why stay with the 5700
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[17:48:09] Blammo_Work: kormoc: I found a pretty good difference in DDR1 versus DDR3 when displaying HD resolutions.
[17:48:18] Juski: ffs... still more than 60% of the people wanting to download my theme are using windows.. suckers
[17:48:38] Blammo_Work: kormoc: I have 5200, 5600, 5700ultra, 6200, and am happiest with the performance/output of the 5700U
[17:49:19] Blammo_Work: kormoc: 6800GT/7800GTX don't really gain you much...
[17:49:37] Zider: Blammo_Work: how about the image quality? any major differences there?
[17:49:37] kormoc: Zider, emerge -p --emptytree mythtv shows that it's going to pull down qt -3.3.6, which is correct, and that's emulating a empty system...
[17:50:02] kormoc: Blammo_Work, fair nuff. I really like my 6200's quality and performance, and it was cheap enough, so I'm happy
[17:50:32] drdaz: kormoc, it handles xvmc nicely?
[17:50:38] kormoc: drdaz, aye
[17:50:42] drdaz: ok
[17:51:30] Zider: kormoc: yeah, does here too now.. maybe the ebuild for mythtv was fixed since then..?
[17:51:45] kormoc: I've had really good luck with XvMC tho, my same card going to xris's computer sucked with XvMC, but rocked in mine, it was strange
[17:51:55] kormoc: Zider, nope, it's been that way for a long time.
[17:51:55] drdaz: I might consider moving to a PCI-e 6200 if ALi's AGP causes issues
[17:52:08] drdaz: oO hmm
[17:52:11] Zider: kormoc: strange then.. because it wanted qt4 when I did it.. :)
[17:52:21] kormoc: Zider, you sure it wasn't going to install both?
[17:52:56] kormoc: Zider, it's more likely the QT guys screwed up then, with the qt3 base package.
[17:53:05] Zider: kormoc: no, just qt4.. and then it wouldn't compile with it, and I fiddled around a bit, finally I got the tip that I neede qt3 and it worked.. :P
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[17:53:20] Blammo_Work: Zider: Given all the same output interface, VGA, I really don't see any image diff between those cards listed. SVHS out, yes, it gets better as you go. And, some of those cards will do Componant out as well.
[17:53:39] Zider: Blammo_Work: oh you're using vga-out..
[17:53:58] Blammo_Work: Zider : no I'm using Componant, but I was answering the question. :)
[17:54:04] Zider: Blammo_Work: oh. ;P
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[17:54:28] Zider: Blammo_Work: well, I kinda guessed that VGA would be the same.. ;)
[17:54:34] Blammo_Work: Zider: I started SVHS, went to SVGA->converter, then to card with Comp out.
[17:55:08] Zider: I'll be using svideo, so I'm going with a later card.. like 6200..
[17:55:16] Zider: good 3D performance too.. :P
[17:55:20] Zider: well, goodish
[17:55:45] drdaz: u want 3D get yourself a 7 series :p
[17:56:01] Zider: drdaz: I want to afford food too..
[17:56:08] Blammo_Work: I have a machine with a 6200 using Comp out, and with XvMC off, the machine is solid.. With XvMC on, and heavy use, it liked to lock a lot on FF/REW. Swapped in a 5200 temporarily and all the stability issues went away... (long story)
[17:56:10] drdaz: there's AGP versions IIRC
[17:56:11] drdaz: oh
[17:56:14] drdaz: then scratch that
[17:56:15] Zider: drdaz: and that's the level of 3D I don't want
[17:56:17] kormoc: Zider, the 7 series has some cheap cards, around $100 or so
[17:56:17] Zider: or need
[17:56:43] Zider: Blammo_Work: I won't be using xvmc, so..
[17:56:52] Zider: kormoc: too expensive :P
[17:57:06] Blammo_Work: Zider: given enough horsepower, you should be fine then.. how much CPU are you throwing at it?
[17:57:15] Zider: Blammo_Work: celeron 2,6GHz
[17:57:17] drdaz: its a bit of a shame VIA dont release their IGP as a gfx card
[17:57:26] drdaz: they'd sell like hotcakes in these circles
[17:57:29] Blammo_Work: Zider: non-HD?
[17:57:37] Zider: Blammo_Work: yep
[17:57:52] kormoc: a 6200 on that celeron will do hd just fine
[17:57:54] Blammo_Work: Zider: you'll be just fine. You can probably even turn on Kernel Deinterlacing then. :)
[17:58:03] mmead: drdaz: what is HD576i?
[17:58:03] Zider: Blammo_Work: ..whatever that is.. :D
[17:58:05] kormoc: drdaz, why? linux drivers for the VIA IGP sucks...
[17:58:16] mmead: drdaz: I output directly to an 800x600 60hz projector
[17:58:25] kormoc: Blammo_Work, no need to deinterlace a signal going to a tv :P
[17:58:29] drdaz: mmead, its a TVStandard setting for the new nvidia driver
[17:58:32] Beirdo: xris: well done :)
[17:58:44] mmead: drdaz: ahh, that probably won't help me then given that I run 800x600
[17:58:59] drdaz: kormoc, ahh... I'd heard it was rather nifty at xvmc
[17:59:13] drdaz: mmead, for me that setting will only output 800x600 interlaced
[17:59:16] drdaz: so...
[17:59:47] mmead: drdaz: I have no idea what my PJ will look like if I send it 800x600 interlaced
[17:59:47] Zider: this card can't go over 640x480 so I really wanna throw it out asap.. :P
[18:00:52] blafd: lol
[18:01:01] mmead: I don't think it will deinterlace a vga signal
[18:01:03] blafd: wheres youre theme Juski?
[18:01:26] drdaz: Zider, it can :) its just nvidia's classy new drivers that are stupid
[18:01:26] drdaz: didnt it work with older versions?
[18:01:26] drdaz: mmead, only one way to find out >:-)
[18:01:29] drdaz: take cover when u do it :p
[18:01:40] Juski: blafd: www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem
[18:02:04] mmead: :)
[18:02:28] Zider: drdaz: nope, that's not it
[18:02:30] mmead: drdaz: it has the faroudja dcdi chipset, but I believe it is only active for video sources
[18:02:53] Zider: drdaz: I can get xorg to SET 800x600 and 1024x768, but I don't get any picture, just garbage or a blank screen
[18:03:07] drdaz: hmm
[18:03:21] Zider: drdaz: I'm starting to suspect some memory chips or something is physically broken :P
[18:03:28] drdaz: to the gfx card cemetary with it
[18:03:37] Zider: I need a new one first
[18:04:49] drdaz: bleah... need to get back to work... writing a context-aware shopping assistant and it needs to be finished by Thursday
[18:04:53] ** drdaz sighs **
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[18:07:46] Zider: huhu.. using vesa driver I can do 800x600 tho.. :P
[18:14:24] xris: Beirdo: means I can do it with mp3 files, too.  :)
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[18:19:31] Beirdo: stupid f'ing asterisk
[18:19:41] Beirdo: I forgot to set notransfer=yes
[18:19:48] Zider: I always liked obelix more
[18:20:00] Beirdo: so it tried to directly connect me to my fiancee, and it didn't work
[18:20:01] Beirdo: hehe
[18:20:46] Beirdo: but strangely enough, it worked fine yesterday
[18:20:51] Beirdo: I don't get it
[18:21:27] Beirdo: sigh
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[18:21:39] Beirdo: well, back to packing crap into the van :(
[18:21:56] Beirdo: I hate moving, it blows
[18:22:06] Beirdo: especially with nobody helping
[18:22:08] drdaz: then stay where u are damn it!
[18:22:11] Beirdo: no
[18:22:23] drdaz: stand up to the powers that would have you move
[18:22:26] drdaz: hmm
[18:22:27] drdaz: ok then
[18:22:29] drdaz: dont
[18:22:30] drdaz: :p
[18:22:36] Beirdo: hell no, I want to move ME
[18:22:42] Beirdo: just hate moving all my shit
[18:22:47] drdaz: ahh
[18:23:28] kormoc: Beirdo, well, you could always fush the shit like everyone else...
[18:23:32] kormoc: *flush
[18:23:37] Beirdo: hah hah hah ;)
[18:24:56] Beirdo: many years accumulation of stuff
[18:25:02] Beirdo: soooo annoying to pack and move
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[18:25:31] Beirdo: and realizing that I will not have almost ANY of it after I move as I'm NOT shipping it, I'm storing it at dad's
[18:25:31] kormoc: Least you'll get to go though it all and get to get rid of things that you just don't want and forgot you have
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[18:25:41] kormoc: icky
[18:25:46] Zider: get perpendiculaaar *sings*
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[18:26:06] kormoc: Beirdo, you should rent a boat and ship it yourself!
[18:26:16] Beirdo: rent a dumpster
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[18:26:20] Beirdo: fuck this
[18:26:22] Beirdo: :)
[18:27:10] Beirdo: so today I've decided that my asterisk at home can live on one of my other servers from now on as I won't be using an FXO card
[18:28:34] Beirdo: sooo... drive there and back today, or drive back early tomorrow morning...
[18:28:38] Beirdo: hmmm
[18:28:40] Beirdo: 2.5h each way
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[18:30:32] Beirdo: well, either way, I should get my ass in gear
[18:30:37] Beirdo: talk to y'all later
[18:31:17] mmead: ciao
[18:31:57] ** xris pokes SlicerDicer **
[18:32:12] ** mmead needs to tell him firewire is now working **
[18:32:50] xris: I want to know if he has access to both tuners in his dvr.
[18:42:29] kormoc: I don't think he does
[18:49:46] mmead: kormoc: I think my issue may have been running frontend with nice -n -2 vs. no nicing
[18:50:24] mmead: kormoc: that's the only substantial difference I can find between how I was starting mythfrontend (startx via an IR watch script) and how I am now starting it (X&;mythfrontend& via an IR watch script)
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[18:50:31] xris: mmead: nice of 2 is way below the default of 10
[18:50:35] xris: er, -2
[18:50:44] xris: actually.. how does that work?
[18:50:53] mmead: what?
[18:50:55] mmead: -2?
[18:50:57] xris: the space
[18:51:05] mmead: space?
[18:51:13] xris: does it take -2 as an argument or a value for -n?
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[18:51:25] xris: I usually do -n-2 (no space) or just --2
[18:51:27] mmead: "nice -n -2" command
[18:51:38] mmead: top would show it as prio -2
[18:51:47] mmead: I have also tried using rtprio semantics when starting mythfrontend
[18:51:49] kormoc: "-n, --adjustment=N add integer N to the niceness (default 10)
[18:51:49] kormoc: "
[18:51:49] xris: ok, so the -2 gets passed to -n
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[18:51:56] mmead: mythfrontend's busy waiting usually just kills the machine when I do that
[18:51:56] kormoc: yeah
[18:52:15] xris: kormoc: can also just pass in the number... "nice -2" (is +2)
[18:52:20] kormoc: mmead, odd, but can understandable
[18:52:39] kormoc: nice -n -2 should add -2 to the default of 10, giving 8
[18:52:49] kormoc: where as just a number statically sets it
[18:52:57] mmead: hmm
[18:53:00] mmead: that's not my experience
[18:53:04] xris: not mine, either
[18:53:06] mmead: -n -2 ends up at -2
[18:53:16] mmead: sounds like maybe the doc is wrong
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[18:53:25] kormoc: yeah, the man page must be wrong then
[18:54:39] kormoc: NOTE: your shell may have its own version of nice, which usually supersedes the version described here. Please refer to your shell's documentation for details about the options it supports.
[18:54:53] mmead: this is a /bin/sh script, though that's probably bash on debian
[18:55:34] SlicerDicer-: hi xris whats up?
[18:57:21] mmead: SlicerDicer-: firewire is working here
[18:57:33] SlicerDicer-: I see you went 2.6.15.1
[18:57:52] ** SlicerDicer- hates to be a i told you so but is going to do it anyway ;-) **
[18:58:54] xris: SlicerDicer-: mchou pointed out that the dvr box has 2 tuners... I'm wondering if you have access to both of them on your box.
[18:59:06] SlicerDicer-: I only get 1 firewire address xris
[18:59:39] xris: SlicerDicer-: what if you plug into both ports?
[18:59:47] SlicerDicer-: I havent tested that
[19:00:14] xris: google could help, too, but I didn't have the part number of the box
[19:00:19] SlicerDicer-: xris: mainly due to the daisy chained nature right now if I added 2 more tuners it would massively overload my harddrive
[19:00:21] SlicerDicer-: haha
[19:00:38] Anduril: Hello! I'm running MythTV 0.19 on Debian (testing). Do I have to download theplugin archive from the homepage or can I do it with apt-get? I couldn't find it with 'apt-cache search myth'.
[19:00:43] SlicerDicer-: I am afraid to mess with it too much other than testing addresses
[19:00:47] SlicerDicer-: and checking
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[19:01:10] SlicerDicer-: xris: I think its cheaper to get 2 seperate tuners vs the dvr right?
[19:01:28] xris: not for HD.
[19:01:45] xris: extra hd tuner is $10, upgrading my non-hd tuner to dvr is $10
[19:01:55] xris: I only need one HD tuner.
[19:02:31] xris: figured if I could get at both of them in the dvr model, I could avoid having a second box do plug in, etc.
[19:02:37] SlicerDicer-: hehe
[19:02:44] SlicerDicer-: understood
[19:03:03] xris: s/do/to/
[19:03:15] SlicerDicer-: the dvr is kind of noisy though xris
[19:03:22] SlicerDicer-: that harddrive is not very silent
[19:03:39] SlicerDicer-: and its setting in there in such a way I can read the 80gb seagate label through the grill
[19:03:58] xris: heh
[19:04:38] xris: well, will hopefully have some time tonight to upgrade my extra p4 to fc5.. then I can ponder turning it into a backend and moving that whole setup to the garage
[19:04:48] SlicerDicer-: I will test it for ya though xris
[19:04:55] SlicerDicer-: the addresses should be differnet aye?
[19:05:24] xris: SlicerDicer-: should be, yeah... but if you can daisy chain the port, then a second wire will likely do nothing
[19:05:32] SlicerDicer-: DAMN IT!
[19:05:36] SlicerDicer-: why does it keep doing this
[19:05:57] mmead: SlicerDicer-: I don't think 2.6.15.1 has anything to do with it. I'm going to play around a little to see what the ultimate issue was, but I'm kind of wary of messing with it. I'd like to just leave myth alone for a few months and have it work :)
[19:06:12] SlicerDicer-: xris: the recording schedule keeps getting blown apart
[19:06:17] xris: ick
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[19:06:41] SlicerDicer-: I was just checking when I would have free time to record
[19:06:47] SlicerDicer-: err from recording
[19:06:50] SlicerDicer-: and the thing was blank
[19:07:05] SlicerDicer-: any idea what would cause that?
[19:07:39] SlicerDicer-: that is the second time its done that
[19:07:51] xris: no clue
[19:07:52] mmead: SlicerDicer-: the recording is blank, or empty/
[19:07:54] xris: svn or .19?
[19:07:58] SlicerDicer-: 19
[19:08:06] xris: no clue
[19:08:10] SlicerDicer-: my upcoming recordings go blank
[19:08:18] SlicerDicer-: if I restart the backend they come back
[19:08:27] mmead: I had that problem.
[19:08:31] mmead: check your mythbackend logs
[19:08:41] mmead: does it claim the MySQL server has gone away!
[19:09:05] mmead: it would happen to me every morning when mythfilldatabase ran
[19:09:14] mmead: .19-fixes branch cured it
[19:09:39] SlicerDicer-: manually running it as a test
[19:09:42] SlicerDicer-: the mythfilldatabase
[19:09:53] ** xris ponders reinstalling his pvr-150 **
[19:10:01] mmead: grep -i 'mysql.*away' mythbackendlog
[19:10:05] SlicerDicer-: xris: whys that?
[19:10:17] kormoc: mmead, that's a valid warning/error at times tho...
[19:10:17] xris: veronica mars and scrubs are now on at the same time
[19:10:57] xris: but more importantly, it's tuesday night when my wife is in class so we can't just watch one while the other records.
[19:11:17] SlicerDicer-: did not blank out when I manually ran mythfilldatabase
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[19:12:08] Hoxzer: is there any manual way to get EIT?
[19:12:16] Hoxzer: so I could see why doesn't it ge tit
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[19:35:04] Beakster: anyone know how i can install qt-mysql on slackware?
[19:40:27] GreyFoxx: QT on slackware comes with it
[19:40:36] GreyFoxx: you just need to add a line to /etc/ld.so.conf to find the plugin
[19:40:46] Beakster: i dont have the plug in
[19:40:52] Beakster: did a search for it but no luck
[19:41:06] GreyFoxx: Stock QT that came with Slackware ?
[19:41:06] Beakster: its actually VectorLinux (based on slackware)
[19:41:10] GreyFoxx: oh
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[19:41:22] Beakster: can i download the plugin from somewhere?
[19:41:31] Beakster: or do i have to uninstall qt and recomplie from scratch?
[19:41:46] GreyFoxx: brb just asec, phone call
[19:42:55] GreyFoxx: run this
[19:43:04] GreyFoxx: find /usr/lib -name libqsqlmysql.so
[19:43:07] GreyFoxx: see if it finds it
[19:43:42] Beakster: nope =(
[19:44:15] GreyFoxx: where is your QT installed ?
[19:44:24] GreyFoxx: might not be under /usr/lib
[19:44:36] Beakster: it is
[19:44:40] GreyFoxx: ok
[19:44:40] Beakster: /usr/lib/qt
[19:44:59] GreyFoxx: then I'd check and see if there is a package from vector for it, or compile yourself
[19:45:06] GreyFoxx: the QT that comes with slackare already comes with it
[19:45:09] Beakster: cant find a vectorpackage
[19:45:21] Beakster: can i just complie the plugin?
[19:45:31] Beakster: or do i have to compile the whole of qt?
[19:45:33] GreyFoxx: Other than to look at the webpage I've never looked at Vector
[19:45:45] GreyFoxx: I would imagine you will have to compile the whole thing
[19:45:55] Beakster: :'(
[19:45:58] GreyFoxx: Or, might be faster to change distro's :)
[19:46:08] GreyFoxx: You could always try just grabbing the slackware package and install it
[19:46:09] gardengnome: and complain to vectorlinux :)
[19:46:12] GreyFoxx: it'd probably work
[19:46:18] Beakster: what if someone sent me their plugin, and i pointed to it with ld.so.conf?
[19:46:31] GreyFoxx: what version of QT ?
[19:46:43] Beakster: i cant find a slackware package for the plugin
[19:46:50] GreyFoxx: there isn't
[19:46:53] Beakster: cant rememebr now
[19:46:56] GreyFoxx: I was refering to the slackqware QT package
[19:46:58] Beakster: how can i find out what version i have?
[19:47:11] GreyFoxx: qmake -v
[19:47:46] Beakster: Qmake version: 1.07a (Qt 3.3.4)
[19:47:46] Beakster: Qmake is free software from Trolltech AS.
[19:48:27] GreyFoxx: www.phaze.org/mythtv
[19:48:36] GreyFoxx: libqsqlmysql.so is there
[19:48:57] GreyFoxx: for 3.3.4
[19:49:12] Beakster: ok
[19:49:18] GreyFoxx: put it in QTDIR/plugins/sqldrivers
[19:49:21] Beakster: so stick that in /usr/lib/qt/plugin ?
[19:49:27] Beakster: oh
[19:49:37] Beakster: ok
[19:49:38] GreyFoxx: and add that path to ld.so.conf and rerun ldconfig
[19:49:45] Beakster: i'll need to create the sqldrivers dir
[19:50:25] GreyFoxx: I'll be pleasantly suprised if this works :)
[19:50:34] GreyFoxx: but doesn't hurt to try :)
[19:52:19] Beakster: ok
[19:52:25] Beakster: there isnt any qt stuff in that file
[19:52:33] Beakster: should i add the sqldrivers dir?
[19:52:37] Beakster: or the dir+plugin
[19:52:42] Beakster: or just the qt dir?
[19:52:49] GreyFoxx: /usr/lib/qt/lib
[19:52:54] GreyFoxx: /usr/lib/qt/plugins/sqldrivers
[19:52:59] GreyFoxx: add those at least
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[19:53:12] GreyFoxx: and with that I'm outta here, gotta pick someone up :)
[19:53:18] GreyFoxx: good luck :)
[19:55:33] Beakster: thanks for the help, but didnt work
[19:55:34] Beakster: =(
[19:55:44] Beakster: guess i can try and install the slackware package
[19:55:48] Beakster: or install fron source
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[19:58:59] naturalblue: can anyone point me in the direction of setting up libcss on my knoppmyth to get my real dvds working
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[20:24:05] mirak: hem, why the hell mythtv use a database to store settings, and not xml ?
[20:24:44] Zider: mirak: xml is only a file format, mysql is a database engine
[20:24:52] test34: anyone know if you have to use gcc 4.0 to compile LIRC ?
[20:25:06] Zider: test34: no you don't
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[20:25:14] ** Captain_Murdoch says "cause xml sucks for doing relational SQL queries" and goes back to what he was doing **
[20:25:29] test34: thanks Zider, saves me lots of troubles
[20:25:51] Zider: Captain_Murdoch: well, xml is still not a database function of any kind, it's just a file format :P
[20:25:54] test34: I have problems compiling lirc.. here is my error message: http://pastebin.com/680151 .. I have i2c compiled as a module, I cant find whats wrong.. any ideas?
[20:25:58] Zider: or standard
[20:29:10] mirak: Zider: are you an informatician or something ?
[20:29:35] Zider: mirak: infowhat?
[20:29:48] mirak: Zider: if I talk about xml it means I don't exept the files to be read magically
[20:29:53] kormoc: Zider, well, if you want to get technical... mysql is a database interface to the myisam/innodb or similar database engines.
[20:30:01] mirak: Zider: are you a computer scientist or something ?
[20:30:55] Zider: mirak: no, hardly
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[20:31:38] kormoc: mirak, the reason to not use XML files is it's hard to share configs over the network when they're all local on the frontends. it's designed for one place you can change settings globally
[20:31:39] mirak: what justify the heavy usage of a database in mythtv beside, the fact it uses it, and just for the sake of using it ?
[20:32:04] mirak: kormoc: then what is the interest of having a backend interface ?
[20:32:11] Zider: mirak: the database is used for much more than just the settings tho :P
[20:32:21] kormoc: mirak, what do you mean?
[20:33:06] mirak: the backend should be the interface to a remote mythtv. Why accessing in plus to the database from outside ?
[20:33:49] mirak: well anyway it's like that, so it won't change, but I wonder
[20:33:54] kormoc: Ahh, that I don't know other then it's just how it is. I would assume it's because it would require a lot of work to switch it over.
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[20:34:31] mirak: probably the starter of the project didn't knew xml ;)
[20:34:42] Zider: why code a database engine when there's already one available (mysql)? :)
[20:34:49] kormoc: Chutt likely knows XML, he likely just doens't like it much
[20:35:04] mirak: Zider: xml just need to be parsed
[20:35:12] kormoc: mirak, not everyone is a XML fan, it's a bit much at times
[20:35:22] mirak: I don't think mythtv needs a lot of joints
[20:35:29] Zider: mirak: depends what you wanna do with it, and how fast :P
[20:35:39] mirak: jointures are the interest of relational database.
[20:35:39] kormoc: mirak, it does use lots of joins in places infact
[20:35:44] mirak: ah
[20:35:47] Zider: it's not like it's just a few settings that's stored in mysql
[20:35:59] mirak: what is in ?
[20:36:04] mirak: recordings
[20:36:22] mirak: I am not sure the library for mp3 uses mysql
[20:36:33] Zider: all the channels, playlists, movie info, game rom infos depending on what plugins you got..
[20:36:34] mirak: to have a tag database
[20:36:40] mirak: it would be the right usage though
[20:36:44] kormoc: sure does
[20:36:47] mirak: ok
[20:36:51] kormoc: mythmusic and mythvideo use mysql
[20:36:59] Zider: and mythgame
[20:37:27] mirak: well when I used mythmusic I wasn't satisfied with the player interface, but it might have changed
[20:37:51] Zider: I was far from satisfied until I discovered it actually had a search function ;)
[20:38:07] ** Zider smacks himself silly with a big RTFM-plaque **
[20:38:56] mirak: also I am not very satisfied of the integration of mythtv with the desktop or a single user
[20:39:02] mirak: (sorry)
[20:39:09] mirak: so maybe you can help me
[20:39:30] Zider: how do you mean?
[20:39:40] mirak: actualy it's made to be a desktop by itself
[20:39:47] Zider: yes
[20:40:00] mirak: so on a standalone computer that's fine
[20:40:09] mirak: with only that
[20:40:25] mirak: but if that's also your dekstop computer, well that's often not what you exept
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[20:40:50] mirak: for exemple what would be nice
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[20:40:58] kormoc: mirak, well, you can run it on a second monitor by itself, which is what I used to do
[20:41:04] mirak: is that mythtv uses kind of virtual folder
[20:41:22] mirak: that are made through a scanning of all your home folder
[20:41:29] ** kormoc raises an eyebrow **
[20:41:36] mirak: you could have a mp3 view
[20:41:40] mirak: a video view
[20:41:42] mirak: a mage view
[20:41:43] kormoc: why bother?
[20:41:44] mirak: image
[20:42:12] mirak: kormoc: because mythtv requiers that medias of each type are stored in a particular place
[20:42:37] mirak: for exemple if I download a video with emule it will be in a emule incoming folder
[20:42:38] kormoc: you have amarok as a awesome desktop mp3 player, or xmms or countless others, you have kuickshow or countless other desktop image viewers, you have mplayer, or xine or countless other desktop video players already
[20:42:44] mirak: if I download with bittorent in a bittorent folder
[20:42:52] Zider: mirak: symlink it then
[20:43:18] kormoc: mirak, why convert myth to do the job of a desktop program when there's desktop programs already there that do the job way better then myth ever can?
[20:43:25] mirak: Zider: well I think you get my point
[20:43:46] mirak: kormoc: well that's how I see mythtv
[20:43:53] mirak: or would like it to be
[20:43:57] Zider: mirak: yes, you want myth to do the symlinks for you :P
[20:44:00] mirak: the universal acces to all my medias
[20:44:15] kormoc: mirak, it does, just all in itself, not tring to be a window manager itself...
[20:44:54] mmead: wow
[20:44:56] mmead: I have a 6200
[20:44:56] mmead: http://pastebin.ca/51272
[20:45:01] Zider: it's supposed to be a settopbox system.. thus, it's made to run on a settopbox-like system :P
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[20:45:11] mirak: kormoc: not necesarily window manager, but at least something that gather all media types
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[20:45:31] kormoc: mirak, it does gather all the media types... myth music, myth video, myth gallery...
[20:45:38] kormoc: mmead, that's not entirely true
[20:45:52] mirak: kormoc: yes but not filesystem wise
[20:46:03] mirak: kormoc: as you said mythtv is used as a library
[20:46:07] kormoc: mmead, XvMC is *VERY* dependant on the motherboard chipset
[20:46:17] mmead: kormoc: I don't use XvMC
[20:46:27] kormoc: mirak, just set your home directory as the base, all the plugins scan subdirectorys....
[20:46:36] mirak: so well it could put all your media files in a database, and give you could have views of the medias by types
[20:46:53] kormoc: mmead, so what's your problem?
[20:46:53] mirak: kormoc: ok I will dig that
[20:47:03] mmead: kormoc: HIGH cpu use with bob on the 6200
[20:47:22] kormoc: mmead, what mobo chipset?
[20:47:27] mmead: kormoc: via
[20:47:58] kormoc: mmead, there's your issue, it's not the 8x vs 4x (and you can change that in the bios or via the nvidia driver, it has flags to set it), it's the via chipset
[20:48:04] mmead: kormoc: VIA K8T800Pro + VT8237
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[20:51:11] mmead: kormoc: are there ways to work around the chipset issues?
[20:51:45] kormoc: mmead, well, like I said, you can change the agp speed in the bios or the nvidia driver itself, which should fix some of the issue
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[20:53:01] mirak: lol
[20:53:11] mirak: why mythtv doesn't handle the mouse ?
[20:53:20] mirak: sorry for all that dumb remarks
[20:53:28] mirak: but well
[20:53:33] kormoc: cause it's not intended to be used via a mouse, it's intended to be used via a remote
[20:53:39] mmead: kormoc: I'll try changing it in the bios to 4x
[20:53:42] mmead: kormoc: but I also have a 5200
[20:53:45] mirak: in fact wouldn't mythtv profit better of GTK2 or something ?
[20:53:54] mmead: kormoc: you think the 5200 would be better suited?
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[20:54:03] kormoc: mmead, over the 6200? not at all
[20:54:06] mmead: kormoc: ok
[20:54:08] mirak: kormoc: that's too bad
[20:54:08] kormoc: mirak, are you on crack?
[20:54:08] mmead: kormoc: didn't think so
[20:54:20] mirak: kormoc: why ?
[20:54:29] mirak: you would have check box, lists and such
[20:54:30] mirak: lol
[20:54:30] kormoc: <mirak> in fact wouldn't mythtv profit better of GTK2 or something ?
[20:54:34] mirak: sorry
[20:54:55] mirak: mythtv gui uses it's own framework right ?
[20:55:09] kormoc: mirak, no, it uses the QT 3 framework
[20:55:13] mmead: kormoc: my 5200 will not do xv scaling from 1920x1080 -> 800x600 anyway
[20:55:21] mmead: kormoc: I have to hard code the xv port to the blitter to get it to do it
[20:55:33] mirak: kormoc: ah. doesn't look like KDE though
[20:55:38] kormoc: mmead, yeah, that's nutty. my 5200 could, but then again, chipsets
[20:55:58] kormoc: mirak, of course not, qt is a framework, not a skin
[20:56:04] mmead: kormoc: "mad dog multimedia"
[20:56:16] kormoc: mmead, I mean the via chipset
[20:56:28] mirak: kormoc: I guess mythweb is designed to use only a remote
[20:56:46] mmead: kormoc: is there a better amd64 motherboard chipset?
[20:56:58] kormoc: mirak, no, infact it's only designed to be used by sharp pointy sticks.
[20:57:06] kormoc: mmead, nforce 4's are rather good imho
[20:57:13] mirak: lol
[20:57:18] mmead: kormoc: maybe I'll look at a new mobo
[20:59:40] kormoc: mmead, might be a good idea, aye. Via chipsets have a long history of random screwups, I try to avoid them.
[21:00:14] mirak: hum if mythtv can easily help to copy cd's my mother will appreciate it
[21:00:37] kormoc: mirak, sounds like you should be running Windows MCE
[21:02:17] mmead: hard to find a nforce chipset with agp
[21:02:38] kormoc: mmead, the nforce 3 is AGP, if they support your cpu
[21:02:43] mmead: ahh
[21:04:33] mmead: heh
[21:04:37] mmead: finding one with sata :)
[21:05:06] mmead: I guess I need a PCIe graphics card
[21:07:12] mirak: kormoc: why not
[21:07:30] mirak: kormoc: I run linux. I don't want windows
[21:07:46] mirak: kormoc: but if MCE have great features there is no reason to spoil it
[21:07:47] kormoc: mirak, you want a intigrated solution, well, MCE is one that will do what you want
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[21:08:29] mirak: I don't know mce
[21:08:35] mirak: but mythtv seemed nice
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[21:08:53] mirak: at least I used a lot the TV features for time shifting and recording
[21:09:09] mirak: music playing was a bit less fun to use
[21:09:12] kormoc: mirak, sure, it's nice, it's why I use it, but you want it to do more, and it will never do all that you want
[21:09:38] mirak: because contributors don't want or because they are not paid ?
[21:09:45] simon_c: blehhh. 'x' outside of string in unpack at /usr/local/share/nuvexport/mythtv/nuvinfo.pm line 49, <STDIN> line 3.
[21:09:47] mirak: and do that on there free time
[21:09:48] simon_c: Anyone any ideas ?
[21:09:55] mirak: wich I respect imensely of course
[21:09:55] kormoc: mirak, both.
[21:10:11] simon_c: I'm trying to export a 4hr recording from a dbv-t source
[21:10:12] mirak: kormoc: so tey don't want mythtv to be nice ?
[21:10:23] mirak: kormoc: well I don't ask for drag and drop in mythtv
[21:10:27] kormoc: mirak, they don't want it to be your view of nice, no.
[21:10:40] kormoc: mirak, they like it how it is
[21:10:49] mirak: kormoc: that's of course not how you are supposed to interpret what I said
[21:10:51] kormoc: mirak, if they didn't like it how it is, they wouldn't have made it the way it is.
[21:11:08] mirak: kormoc: well objectively I doubt that
[21:11:52] mirak: I mean even if it must be used by a remote, point and click is more and more common on recent devies OSD
[21:12:09] kormoc: you know how easy it is to do mouse support for myth? it's dirt simple and there's patches for it, but why isn't it in the offical tree? because they don't want it to be there
[21:12:30] mirak: that's bad
[21:12:32] mirak: for me
[21:12:32] mirak: lol
[21:12:59] mirak: well some people would like it so much they coded it themselves
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[21:13:07] mirak: at least if it's optional it can't be bad
[21:13:11] mirak: imho
[21:13:18] ** kormoc shrugs. **
[21:14:25] mirak: # Feature Wishlist (7491 bytes)
[21:14:25] mirak: 77: * Mouse support. Would make it possible to use a touch sc...
[21:14:39] mirak: it appears on top when I search mouse on wiki ;)
[21:15:34] kormoc: sure, eventually it might get added, but the fact is, they like myth how it is, they think it's nice, so it's not a matter of them not wanting to make it nice, it's a matter of they don't see the point
[21:16:35] kormoc: mirak, in anycase, this is why opensource is great. if you don't like it, you can change it. So code away!
[21:16:37] mirak: it's nice because they have a ****ing remote
[21:16:39] mirak: lol
[21:16:42] mirak: sorry
[21:16:58] mirak: well I have a wireless mouse, that's not bad
[21:17:02] mirak: not that bad
[21:17:08] mirak: lack some buttons
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[21:17:38] mirak: kormoc: I agree open source is good, but well might be not fun to always see your patch rejected
[21:17:49] mirak: and do the builds yourself
[21:17:52] mirak: probably
[21:18:21] mirak: I will try to apply mouse patch though some days
[21:18:41] mirak: my god
[21:18:54] mirak: I used my home for video database, but that slow
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[21:21:28] mirak: Mouse support. Would make it possible to use a touch screen to control MythTv. – added in 0.20
[21:21:37] mirak: well, I got to find where the option is then
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[21:27:29] mirak: kormoc: seems there is mouse support already
[21:27:42] mirak: I will search how to enable it
[21:29:54] kormoc: mirak, there's the ability to unhide the mouse cursor, but not click support
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[21:31:03] Juski: yeh go on – take remote control support out of mythtv, mouse lover
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[21:31:33] Beakster: hi
[21:31:49] Beakster: can anyone recommand a distro to use for running mythfrontend on a P2 400MHz?
[21:32:06] Zider: anyone
[21:32:18] Zider: preferrably not gentoo, since it compiles everything :D
[21:32:29] mishehu: Beakster: just for viewing videos I assume?
[21:32:34] mishehu: not for recording
[21:32:42] Beakster: ive been trying vector but got fed up
[21:32:51] Beakster: yeah, viewing
[21:33:25] Beakster: i was thinking debian?
[21:33:48] Zider: debian should work fine
[21:35:30] Beakster: any particular iso?
[21:36:18] dtm: Beakster: one which is capable of executing binary instructions, is recommended
[21:36:30] Beakster: hmmm
[21:36:34] dtm: Beakster: well, of feeding them for execution by a cpu, for example
[21:36:56] Beakster: i was looking for something for my analog computer
[21:37:35] dtm: hmmm let's see.... we got octal linux... ...... hmm.... no analog yet... not natively anyway. i recommend emulation.
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[21:46:06] mirak: kormoc: what unhiding is for then ?
[21:47:36] kormoc: mirak, my old setup was a tripple monitor setup with one dedicated to myth, so it's useful so the cursor can move around without being hidden
[21:48:13] mirak: ok
[21:49:02] mirak: kormoc: probably with another X server could use a dedicated keyboard
[21:49:19] mirak: kormoc: probably with another X server you could use a dedicated keyboard
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[21:51:29] blafd: what in gods name
[21:52:19] blafd: just got to the end of repairing my lsass mangled machine, and I used erd to bust in to see what they had been up to , and i noticed this browser "Bon Echo"
[21:52:26] blafd: and god firefox
[21:52:31] blafd: its*
[21:52:46] blafd: wtf
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[21:53:01] blafd: ever herd of such a thing?
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[21:53:47] blafd: ah
[21:53:54] blafd: i did not even know
[21:54:02] blafd: what a dooogy name
[21:55:32] naturalblue: hi. can anyone tell me the libraries needed to playback my commercial dvds
[21:56:22] Beakster: if im gonna install mythtv on a 400MHz P2, should i usr kernel 2.4 or 2.6?
[21:59:06] Zider: I always recommend 2.4 unless it's a REEEALLY old system with very little RAM
[21:59:10] Zider: 2.6 even
[21:59:12] Zider: :D
[21:59:41] Beakster: so go with the latest kernel?
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[22:01:08] Reepicheep: Beakster: I am running a simalar machine as a frontend with 2.6.15 with out much problem
[22:01:57] Zider: Beakster: yes
[22:02:19] Beakster: Reepicheep, which distro?
[22:03:18] Reepicheep: I use Gentoo because I feel that I could tweek every little bit that I can out of the slower hardware
[22:03:44] Reepicheep: but if you haven't set up gentoo before any other should work fine
[22:04:37] RaYmAn-Bx: Reepicheep: with a comment like it's just impossible to not mention http://funroll-loops.org/ :P (and just for the record, I'm a gentoo user myself)
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[22:04:59] Zider: I use gentoo because I feel comfortable in the system.. the optimization gain is not noticable imo..
[22:05:09] RaYmAn-Bx: exactly
[22:05:58] RaYmAn-Bx: I can't help but compile everything myself whenever I use other dists so I might as well use one made for it =P
[22:06:09] dtm: Reepicheep: when you say "I feel that I could tweek every little bit out" the emphasis is almost exclusively on "feel"
[22:06:26] dtm: Zider: that's because it almost certainly does not exist
[22:06:56] RaYmAn-Bx: the biggest optimization seems to be that you can properly leave out features you don't want
[22:06:57] Zider: dtm: mostly, nope
[22:07:13] dtm: almost all apps are not performance sensitive to start with, and you're generating much larger code which takes longer to load and is almost certainly bigger than your L2 cache, causing bus thrashing
[22:07:14] RaYmAn-Bx: hard to do with binary packages
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[22:07:28] Zider: I'm sure there are some 0,001% gain somewhere, but I don't bother to look for it
[22:07:41] dtm: any given app will require completely different optimizations, if any at all
[22:07:59] dtm: and far more specific to your hardware than you realize... more than just that of the cpu's instruction set
[22:08:04] Reepicheep: I do you gentoo mainly because I am comfortable with it but it defenately is not slower then other distros ... yes probably because I have left out what is not needed
[22:08:30] dtm: thanks to demand page loading and shared libraries, almost all of what is not needed, is not executed
[22:08:40] dtm: on any modern OS from the last 10 years
[22:11:12] Reepicheep: Beakster: truth be told.. it's not really gonna make much of a difference what distro you use ... use what ever distro you are confortable with
[22:11:37] Beakster: i was using vector linux
[22:11:45] Beakster: but i cant get qt with mysql support working
[22:11:54] Beakster: and i think its package management interface is nasty
[22:12:06] Beakster: so thinking that putting together a debian setup will be best
[22:13:55] ** xris grumbles about ffmpeg not letting you specify a specific frame range for encoding. **
[22:15:09] mishehu: bah.
[22:15:34] ** mishehu grumbles about lirc not wanting to work with both an irblaster and an sblivedrive midi receiver... **
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[22:20:57] mirak: too bad music stops when you leave the music menu
[22:21:11] mirak: I guess I can't browse images and listen music
[22:21:28] mirak: also unfortunely, I put all my home folder for medias
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[22:22:00] mirak: but the symlinks that I have for folders like the one I have on my desktop produces duplicates file entries :/
[22:22:29] mirak: if there is a way to not follow symlinks it would be nice
[22:23:29] Shock[werk]: hey kormoc, you awake?
[22:24:07] xris: mirak: eventually... there's code to separate the music playing into a daemon, it's just not done yet.
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[22:24:44] Shock[werk]: hey xris, i hear kormoc has a card capable of 1080i out the DVI port.. that true? :)
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[22:25:13] xris: Shock[werk]: I don't see why it wouldn't be
[22:25:15] achew22: hey all!
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[22:25:28] xris: probably 1080p, though
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[22:26:25] Shock[werk]: seems 1080i out the DVI isn't a given. a lot of DVI ports only run at like half or less of the VGA pixel clock
[22:26:36] mirak: xris: and what about the symlinks ?
[22:26:56] mirak: something like not storing same md5sums
[22:28:20] xris: mirak: not a clue, I don't use anything other than mythtv
[22:28:24] xris: (and mythweb)
[22:28:46] achew22: xris, on the changelog it says that ajax mythweb has been implemented is this true?
[22:28:54] xris: achew22: tiny bits in .19, yes
[22:29:03] achew22: not full?
[22:29:11] xris: what is "full"?
[22:29:17] mchou: lol
[22:30:13] Shock[werk]: ooo cool. an irc plugin for firefox.. brb
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[22:30:31] achew22: xris: that would be 1 page without refreshes... javascript does all the refreshing
[22:30:36] mirak: xris: in fact an even simpler method would to watch inode
[22:30:40] mirak: to avoid dupes
[22:30:56] mirak: with an index on inodes it could be fast
[22:30:58] xris: achew22: that'll likely never happen
[22:31:04] mirak: and index in the database
[22:31:06] achew22: okay
[22:31:08] xris: refresh would be faster than jacascript
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[22:31:34] xris: what WILL (eventually) get hooked to ajax on that page is the loading of the mouseover/descriptive stuff.
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[22:32:02] achew22: so the listings page would update on the half hour unless it was viewing a different time slot
[22:32:11] achew22: and the status page would update every 30 sec. or so?
[22:32:32] xris: huh?
[22:33:24] mirak: my god
[22:33:40] mirak: I am not sure that using mysql database fasten think
[22:33:57] mirak: on acces probably but writting is awfull :-/
[22:34:14] simon_c: Hi all. Is there an easy way to convert a mpeg2 based nuv file (captured from a dvb-t card) to a standard mpeg2 file ? I would use nuvexport, but I think it has problems with > 8GB files.
[22:34:57] mchou: simon_c: huh??
[22:36:07] simon_c: mchou: I've got about a 4 hour recorded program in myth. It's a nuv file, but it's an mpeg2 format nuv file, cos it's captured from a dvb-t card, and hasn't been transccoded. I want a standard mpeg2 file out of it, and nuvexport crashes, I'm guessing because the file is > 8GB
[22:36:42] mchou: simon_c: the nuv is mpeg. just change the extension :)
[22:37:00] simon_c: mchou: Ahhh. That's an easy way then ;-)
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[22:38:59] achew22: is there a way to open your serial port and have it print its data to the screen or a file? like "cat /dev/ttyS0 >> ~/ir.txt" if I point my remote at the ir then will it print to the file?
[22:39:24] Zider: yes, should work just fine
[22:39:38] achew22: its serial so it will just output to the file without being initialized?
[22:40:35] Zider: I've done it like that a few times when testing serial ports.. altho I didn't pipe it to a file, and I didn't look for any readable input.. just any input.. :P
[22:40:47] achew22: where did you pipe it to?
[22:40:52] Zider: otherwise you could use minicom
[22:40:56] Zider: achew22: the screen
[22:41:03] achew22: is that dev/tty1?
[22:41:36] Zider: no, I mean I just did "cat /dev/ttyS0"
[22:44:21] achew22: ohh
[22:44:35] achew22: Zider, is there a way to check what ports have stuff plugged in?
[22:44:55] Zider: don't think that serial ports can sense that..
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[22:45:03] achew22: there are about 100 ttys in the folder and I don't know which one its plugged into
[22:45:07] dtm: achew22: some can...tehre's a tool but i forgot
[22:45:10] ShockValue: test
[22:45:13] achew22: test?
[22:45:20] achew22: lets see what man says
[22:45:31] achew22: thats not a very good tool
[22:45:35] achew22: ohh crap i feel dumb
[22:46:10] dtm: achew22: and it's setserial
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[22:46:21] dtm: achew22: that might be able to sense, depending on your hardware
[22:46:24] dtm: iirc
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[22:47:15] achew22: okay — setserial /dev/ttyS0 returned /dev/ttyS0, UART: 16550A, Port: 0x03f8, IRQ: 4
[22:47:23] achew22: that means I need to use irq 4 right?
[22:47:30] dtm: achew22: what do you mean by 'use'
[22:47:40] dtm: it *is* using it.
[22:47:41] achew22: sorry — for lirc ./setup.sh
[22:47:43] Zider: it means your serial port are using irq4
[22:48:03] dtm: achew22: i've never done lirc, but why woudl you specify an irq to an app? that's why device drivers exist.
[22:48:36] dtm: achew22: also, you are encouraged to just try things anyway
[22:48:42] achew22: yeah — i'm doing that
[22:48:47] achew22: its compiling as we speek
[22:48:55] dtm: oic
[22:49:00] achew22: its serial 1, and you were VERY helpfull....
[22:49:02] dtm: what does an irq have to do with lirc
[22:49:14] achew22: it litsts the port and IRQ in the lirc setup file
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[22:49:15] dtm: lirc is only in userspace, isn't it/
[22:49:16] dtm: ?
[22:49:26] dtm: really?! very odd
[22:49:28] achew22: you have to pick the port and irq in teh setup file
[22:49:35] achew22: when you do serial stuff....
[22:50:01] achew22: i finaly got distcc working :D
[22:50:40] achew22: ohh my god.... i'm going to kill myself — I compled the serial port into the kernel so I have to recompile
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[22:52:21] Juski: setserial, achew22, dumbass
[22:52:37] Juski: my serial ports are built into the kernel too but that doesn't stop me using lirc
[22:52:58] achew22: Juski unless there is a user in the channel named dumbass and they are a pro with serial devices thats not very nice
[22:53:15] Juski: damn I forgot the ;-)
[22:53:18] Juski: my apologies
[22:53:24] achew22: thats the difference
[22:53:29] ** Juski <- smartass **
[22:53:33] achew22: alright — lets check out the man page
[22:53:55] simon_c: mchou: Humm. it doesnm't seem to be a standard mpeg2 file, cos there's no sound when I play it back with mplayer.
[22:53:57] Juski: setserial /dev/ttys0 uart none  — something like that
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[22:56:28] achew22: Juski I see what you mean — it is telling me to do that when I compile but after I run setserial /dev/ttys0 uart none it still gives the error
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[22:57:23] achew22: http://pastebin.com/681974
[22:57:34] Juski: didn't I see something up there about a different port though?
[22:57:44] achew22: no — its on port 0
[22:57:50] Juski: ah
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[22:58:02] achew22: its okay — I ran it on 0–4 anyways
[22:58:07] Juski: I just did this a few days ago I _should_ be able to remember
[22:59:08] Juski: my com ports are definitely built into the kernel
[22:59:25] Juski: and setserial definitely worked, but it didn't work first time
[23:00:02] Juski: maybe the 's' needs to be a capital letter
[23:01:09] Juski: e.g. setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart none ;-)
[23:01:51] achew22: no — i corrected for that
[23:01:55] achew22: good try though
[23:02:31] dtm: Juski: "COM PORTS", you say?!?! >:-E
[23:02:32] dtm: hehehe
[23:02:52] achew22: dtm do you have any ideas?
[23:03:10] achew22: by the way I put 5$ usd on me being an idiot and having done something wrong
[23:03:12] dtm: i know nothing
[23:03:15] Juski: what? that's what they're labelled on the back of the machine, and I was brought up in DOS
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[23:03:30] achew22: you know how to type
[23:03:36] dtm: :-.
[23:03:45] dtm: Juski: fired
[23:03:49] achew22: Juski DOS == Disk operating system. you were brought up in MSDOS
[23:03:55] achew22: we all use dos
[23:03:58] Juski: same difference
[23:04:04] Juski: splitting hairs...
[23:04:08] achew22: i split hairs for a living
[23:04:17] achew22: you thought you were a smart ass ;)
[23:04:23] Juski: anyway... so setserial didn't spit any errors out...
[23:05:04] Juski: actually I remember it doesn't – even when you use the wrong port
[23:05:27] achew22: nope... but when I do setserial /dev/ttyS0 it returns /dev/ttyS0, UART: unknown, Port: 0x03f8, IRQ: 4
[23:05:34] achew22: which i think means its plugged in to that port
[23:06:13] Juski: yeh I get that
[23:06:31] achew22: and the light on the device is on :D
[23:06:37] achew22: isn't it pretty
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[23:08:16] dtm: o/
[23:08:25] achew22: dtm you got any ideas other than whatever that is?
[23:08:29] ** dtm basks in the glow of the IR device in swaddling clothes **
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[23:08:40] dtm: i have absolutely no idea what you're doing or how to do it, no
[23:08:59] dtm: i dont know what "that" is
[23:09:17] dtm: in fact i dont even know exactly what you're *trying* to do.
[23:09:40] jasta: kormoc: i'm gonna start having barbecues at my house soon :)
[23:09:58] jasta: bump a little ice cube and fresh prince out in the street :)
[23:10:23] achew22: dtm the "o/" thing
[23:11:12] achew22: Juski when you setserial /dev/ttyS0 does it say its UART is unknown or none
[23:11:21] Juski: says unknown
[23:11:52] Juski: and it's set to none already
[23:12:21] achew22: okay...
[23:12:29] achew22: is there a way to unload a module?
[23:12:57] Juski: modprobe -r
[23:13:03] Juski: or rmmod
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[23:17:01] Juski: yerrs I think you'll have to unload the lirc_serial module now, then do the setserial command again before reloading lirc_serial
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[23:23:11] kormoc: jasta, nifty, it's the nice time of year for it :)
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[23:41:05] test34: I can't get lirc to compile, I get those errors: http://pastebin.com/682040 .. any idea whats wrong ?
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[23:49:25] defi_: Anyone know the status on the patch that close and re-opens the ivtv device when the driver stops responding?
[23:50:14] defi_: Giving errors like: slect timeout – ivtv ...
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