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Monday, April 24th, 2006, 00:02 UTC

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banyan:

whatnow?

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banyan:

tuners that emit delta rays?

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Yazh:

does mythtv work with analog tv with no program guide in the country?

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Yazh:

like, manual tuning/frequency input?

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Agrajag-:

yeah but you'll miss out on a lot of the functionality if you don't have any guide data

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Yazh:

oh, like?

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Yazh:

is hmc a rip off of mythtv?

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Agrajag-:

like scheduling recordings

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Agrajag-:

dont know what hmc is

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Yazh:

www.hmc.com.au

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Yazh:

screenshots/video of it looks similar to mythtv

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Ryushin:

How do you specify a ATSC channel when using the front end? For example I'm trying to tune 6–1, but I don't know how to choose the dash. Typing 61 and pressing enter switches to the pvr-350 card channel 61 in sd.

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Agrajag-:

Yazh: hmm yeah looks a bit suspicious. btw what country are you in that has no program guide?

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Yazh:

I'm in India

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Yazh:

any help/guidance will be very appreciated :)

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Agrajag-:

hmm i guess search the -users list for any info

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Yazh:

sure

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Netslayer:

if i have two tuners in my system what's the key to switch inputs?

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Netslayer:

in livetv

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rhacer:

does anyone know if there's a case that has an IR receiver built in?

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Ryushin:

netslayer: Y

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Netslayer:

thanks

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Ryushin:

np

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Ryushin:

Do you know how to select the "-" in a HD station from the remote?

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Netslayer:

nope

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mrgoby:

i finally got xdriver working for my hauppauge 350... but the screen is just a little too big

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mrgoby:

can i set that in my xorg.conf ?

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mrgoby:

i've tried playing with the resolutions but that doesnt seem to help

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mrgoby:

the xsession is spilling over the edges of my tv screen

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mrgoby:

is there a way to resolve this ?

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mrgoby:

i have it set at 720x480

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deadlyninja:

when i run mythbackend with an empty db i get this: http://rafb.net/paste/results/jYPBLq37.html

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deadlyninja:

but when i run it again, i get this http://rafb.net/paste/results/3teFdh48.html

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deadlyninja:

anyone know what i can do to correct these errors?

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Wonker:

quickie: Anyone know how to disable the 'repeat' keyword in MYSQL 5? (Related to mythfilldatabase problems in mythtv 18.1 with mysql 5)

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Anduin:

Wonker: use a version (of myth) where it was fixed?

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Wonker:

Anduin, lol. I would like to fix the damn thing this week....

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Wonker:

Anduin, swtich versions is a serious PITA

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Anduin:

You did it with MySQL.

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Wonker:

Myth is a far cry from MySQL, complexity of install wise

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Wonker:

if I go to 19, I have to upgrade front end (major pain, usually)

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Anduin:

Wonker: Next you'll be complaining that the schedule query fails.

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Wonker:

if I go to 18-fixes, I have to recompiled the whole thing, involving a lot of new packages to download, etc.

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Wonker:

I am not complaining, I am lookin for a fix

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Wonker:

other then that one :)

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Anduin:

I'm wishing luck you way, hope it doesn't get intercepted.

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Wonker:

thanks ;)

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Anduin:

deadlyninja: did you use mc.sql to create the db?

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Wonker:

Anduin, I am guessing (possibly wrongly) that the previous message was aimed at me...

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Wonker:

DB has been in use a long time

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Wonker:

(about a year I think)

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Anduin:

Wonker: Nope, I was moving on.

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Wonker:

I could export it, downgrade back to mysql 4, and go...

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Wonker:

ah, well, it was an idea anyway

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deadlyninja:

Anduin, i tried that initially

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Anduin:

deadlyninja: And? Basically that error means the charset for the DB isn't set to what mc.sql would have done.

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deadlyninja:

same thing, i will do it again though

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Anduin:

deadlyninja: The second run is always going to suck though (as the first upgrade that sets up the tables isn't supposed to fail).

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deadlyninja:

lemme do another paste

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deadlyninja:

http://rafb.net/paste/results/Valzlk26.html

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Anduin:

deadlyninja: Ok, paste your mc.sql file as well.

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deadlyninja:

http://rafb.net/paste/results/rHmi2U53.html

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deadlyninja:

sorry im kinda slow but im sshing from a laptop with a really bad touchpad

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Anduin:

deadlyninja: which myth version?

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deadlyninja:

doh i think thats it

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deadlyninja:

0.18 something

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Anduin:

deadlyninja: Newer version of that file have: ALTER DATABASE mythconverg DEFAULT CHARACTER SET latin1; at the end.

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deadlyninja:

my mouse just completely died

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deadlyninja:

so i cant copy paste anymore

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BBlinkk:

i just realized today, i only receive channels 2–60 on my tuner... anyone else heard of this problem?

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deadlyninja:

ok im gonna try .19

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deadlyninja:

afk

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deadlyninja:

thanks Anduin

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Anduin:

deadlyninja: .19-fixes

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arcadies:

does anyone know how to set up mythtv for ZA users?

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arcadies:

for "dstv" ?

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Anduin:

BBlinkk: If the tuner module for your card is close but not exactly right you can see things like that.

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BBlinkk:

hmmm

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BBlinkk:

i got a pvr-150

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ShockValue:

blah

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Anduin:

BBlinkk: The model number doesn't actually tell you the tuner on the card.

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Wonker:

Anduin, ok, I gave in, moved back-end to 19.0. Went better then I thought, even my "add-ins" still work, db schema seems close enough. Now the front end (crosses fingeers)

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Wonker:

the debian 19.0 package is quite nice, gotta drop him a note of thanks...

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Anduin:

Wonker: Hope you went to .19-fixes

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Wonker:

heh

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Wonker:

I just took the 19.0 debian. Probably not all the fixes. I'll have a look at the changelog and see

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Wonker:

he lists it as 0.19–0.6, but this probably does not coorspond to a myth version (o does it...)

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Anduin:

I don't Debian, sounds like it has at least some fixes in there (there is only an official fixes branch, nothing really more than an SVN version that could be called official).

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Wonker:

any real killers in 19.0 non-fixes?

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Wonker:

new mythweb is nice

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Anduin:

Wonker: Yes, some MySQL 5 stuff (scheduled query "fix" so MySQL don't drop the client connection by default).

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mishehu:

it'd be nice if they started doing prepared statements while they were at it. ;-)

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Wonker:

ok, I'll see how it works and hope for the best...

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Wonker:

thanks for the help

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mrgoby:

hi all... having oversized image issues using xdriver and hauppauge 350... read something somewhere about an overscan hack... any one heard of this ?

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Anduin:

mishehu: That would mean raising the minimum MySQL version.

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mrgoby:

i know this is a bit off toppic, sorry

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mishehu:

Anduin: I know that heh.

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Wonker:

Any thoughts on why the back-end cannot change channels? "ivtv-tune -c" works find

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Wonker:

s/find/fine/

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Anduin:

Wonker: Change ivtv/kernel versions?

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Wonker:

ivtv is relatively recent

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Wonker:

kernel is recent

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Wonker:

ivtv works fine

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Anduin:

.16?

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Wonker:

2.6.15

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Wonker:

had problem with 0.18 too

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Wonker:

new problem

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Wonker:

I got lots of new problems :)

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Wonker:

maybe I'

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Anduin:

The backend logs should contain errors.

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Wonker:

it just says it cannot change channels

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Anduin:

pastebin that chunk of the log

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Anduin:

or review the three common causes 1) bad startchan 2) no guide info 3) ivtv version is new (0.6.x)

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Wonker:

sigh

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banyan:

what about the pvr500? It has two svideo inputs but just the one cable input, right?

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Wonker:

it seems impossible to cut'n'pase something on this set up

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Wonker:

2006-04–23 23:08:17.750 ChannelBase: Could not find input: Tuner 0 on card when setting channel 8

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Wonker:

2006-04–23 23:08:17.751 TVRec(1) Error: Failed to set channel to 8. Reverting to kState_None

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Wonker:

2006-04–23 23:08:17.751 TVRec(1): Changing from RecordingOnly to None

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Wonker:

gr

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Wonker:

http://pastebin.ca/50850

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Wonker:

ivtv version 0.4 something

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Wonker:

I guess I could just use the external change command with ivtv-tune -c to make it go

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Wonker:

would work around the problem

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Wonker:

mm... no, that doesn't solve it

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Anduin:

Wonker: ivtvctrl -a and see what the tuner is named

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Anduin:

or just -n

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Wonker:

Input 0 is called just plain "Tuner"

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Wonker:

Hmm

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Wonker:

If a literal "Tuner 0" was being looked for...

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Anduin:

run mythtv-setup and reconfigure the input.

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Wonker:

That is the thing, I did, and it selected "Tuner" (initially Tuner 0 was showing) but it doesn't seem to "take"

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Wonker:

where is that stored...

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Anduin:

Wonker: In the DB, was the backend running when you ran mythtv-setup?

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Wonker:

no, shut it down

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Wonker:

looking at the cardinput table, 2 are listed, one "Tuner 0" and one "Tuner"

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Wonker:

both for the same cardid

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Anduin:

Fun, do you see two in the list?

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Wonker:

no, just the Tuner ( plust te comp/s-video ones)

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Wonker:

nod in capturecard table, default input is listed as "Tuner"

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Wonker:

it is odd it is stored in 2 tables...

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Anduin:

It isn't stored in two, the one in capture card is the default input.

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Anduin:

When I renamed my inputs I just cheated and use mysql.

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Wonker:

hmm

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Wonker:

so, I swapped the names in the table (manual db edit), seemed to do the trick

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Wonker:

wow, front end works too

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Wonker:

hopefully it will work after a reboot too

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Wonker:

only issue is front-end can't see previously recorded files

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Wonker:

do they all have to be renamed?

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_ninja:

to get audio capture with a BT478 card, do I have to use the external cable to connect it to my soundcard, or is there a way to configure the kernel to read audio directly from the card

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_ninja:

i compiled all the drivers that i thought i needed, there IS an OSS bt driver

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_ninja:

anyone else still using a brooktree card for myth?

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Agrajag-:

im pretty sure you need a cable going to your soundcard

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Wonker:

Many thanks for all the help!

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_ninja:

alright im cool with that, i just thought it had built in audio capture

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Anduin:

Wonker: No renames should be needed.

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Anduin:

_ninja: Do you get audio off it?

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Wonker:

ah, it claims it cannot find the file

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Wonker:

tis ok, recording seems to work, I'll have to work on it tommorow, or at least later

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Anduin:

Wonker: When you do look at the host name, make sure all that stuff matches.

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Wonker:

on the back end, it is lookinf for a file called "...mpg", not "...nuv"

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Wonker:

back-end reports an invalid file, not surprisingly

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Anduin:

Wonker: It should only be doing that for new recordings.

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Wonker:

mm

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_ninja:

Anduin, no alsa devices showed up

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_ninja:

i dont know if im supposed to mess with OSS drivers or just use passthrough

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_ninja:

theres an nvidia ac97 on the board that i can use

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_ninja:

(the ac97 would require passthrough)

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Anduin:

_ninja: No ALSA input yet.

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Wonker:

Anduin, n/m, I am an IDIOT, it was the recordings that got pooched when the tuner was off, they are listed in the db but no files

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Wonker:

actual previous recordings are working

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_ninja:

does bt work with oss input?

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Anduin:

Wonker: That makes sense.

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Wonker:

Anduin, thanks again

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Wonker:

my g/f is very happy (she is serious PVR junkie)

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Anduin:

I know what that is like.

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_ninja:

Anduin, do you know if the brooktree oss driver works?

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Anduin:

_ninja: No clue, haven't played with those for well, a very long time.

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_ninja:

yeah they are old school

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_ninja:

i have 2 of em so i figured i might as well do something with them

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_ninja:

its cool that you can actualy get 2 to work simultaneously with pip and whatnot

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_ninja:

thats really great

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_ninja:

but i dont think they can both capture audio in that case

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Netslayer:

wow i've never heard so many swears...just turned on sopranos for the first time

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_ninja:

well turn it off for the last time

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Netslayer:

just did heh

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_ninja:

heh

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Netslayer:

i've watched dodgeball twice already

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Netslayer:

(today) :-P

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_ninja:

hmm in lspci i see this: 01:07.1 Multimedia controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Audio Capture (rev 11)

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_ninja:

so there must be a way

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_ninja:

i wish the wikis had more info

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opello:

!woot

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opello:

oh, i'm sorry

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opello:

recently closed a window in irssi, and haven't adjusted to the numbers :)

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banyan:

Hey, any idea why myt lan's throughput goes for crap when I'm watching video on my backend?

[05:16:31]

banyan:

It seems not to make any sense — the backend is the frontend and yet my network throughput goes south.

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banyan:

Like 7 MB/s to 500 kB/s.

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jnunez:

banyan: This is a obvious response but are you using 127.0.0.1 as your Backend IP?

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banyan:

I can't do that and have a separate frontend so no.

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banyan:

But the machine is smart enough to not actually transmit deal with its own ip address as equivalent to 127.0.0.`?

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jnunez:

Im sorry I thought it was the other way around

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jnunez:

What type of Hub or Router are you using

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banyan:

I mean, the backend's address is 192.168.0.4 and I have that configured as the address.

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jnunez:

but if you are using the frontend on the same box as the backend you should be able to use 127.0.0.1

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jnunez:

regardless of your network

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jnunez:

ip address

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jnunez:

brb getting ready to pass out

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banyan:

adlink 604

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Goatz:

If I may ask, Has anyone come up with a cheep mythfrontend hardware solution? Or is it still find / build cheepest smallest computer you can?

[05:42:50]

banyan:

The frontend settings are kinda mixed in with the backend settings. Not sure if I can tweak them independently.

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Goatz:

Err, I ment was has anyone came up with a cheep box that was just linux on chip / mpeg decoder / etc, like predone semi propritory hardware.

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gardengnome:

Goatz: mvpmc.sf.net

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Goatz:

dankee

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gardengnome:

kein problem

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simcop2387:

god i love the playlists on recordings

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ShockValue:

weird.. are "union bay" jeans usually only reserved for "boys" instead of "men" ?

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ShockValue:

what has this world come to.

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rory123:

anyone willing to take a stab at a lirc question? to prefix, its almost working, i.e. i get output from irw

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Juski:

morning

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ivor:

Juski: aloha

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ivor:

hmm, if I've got an archive of a dvd (i.e. ifo's and vobs) can I point mythdvd at it or does it want an iso?

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blafd:

what is "pypc TV"?

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blafd:

Goatz if your still arround theres a board the 810LMR by SIS i think, and its got a bios full of linux

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Netslayer:

what was the mplayer flag for ac3 pass through?

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blafd:

heh its just a +DOC, in theory if the mobo makers really cared about the consumers interests the would offered the details required to allow people to do go forth and do other mobos

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blafd:

that 810LMR is a shit pile from what i saw

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blafd:

but hey it was very cool seing linux boot in a couple of seconds

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blafd:

could be ideal for a HTPC if you could get a 1gb/512mb disk on chip

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eiggirC:

right – time to install second tuner card in mythbox

[08:55:04]

eiggirC:

oooo I'll have picture-in-picture support

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blafd:

http://www.linuxbios.org/index.php/Main_Page

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Goatz:

Blafd, What I was looking for was that other thing, mvpmc, I'm seting up my house wiht a few tvs and didn't want to have to build a front end box for each $$$ 8x90$ or 8x299$

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Goatz:

if only it was wifi ;) (I doubt tftp would be real reliable under wifi anyhow.)

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Juski:

morning stuarta

[09:02:30]

Juski:

the start of another thrilling week!

[09:03:20]

stuarta:

morning Juski, good weekend?

[09:03:50]

Juski:

a diy weekend but I got a lot done

[09:04:02]

Juski:

should finish the tiling tonight

[09:04:29]

SlicerDicer-:

anybody have any idea how to speed up mysql? I am doing a massive import and it bogs down after say 50,000 rows inserted from well over 3000 qpm to 400qpm

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rawdlite:

SlicerDicer: does the table have an index ?

[09:05:46]

SlicerDicer-:

you know honestly... I dont know

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stuarta:

suggest reading up on mysql website, they have doc's on tuning mysql

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rawdlite:

if there is an index, dropping it speeds up the import

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SlicerDicer-:

alright

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Juski:

stuarta: did you have a good weekend? or is it good to be back at w*** ? ;-)

[09:12:17]

stuarta:

1st anniversary with GF :)

[09:12:31]

Juski:

ooo congratulations :-)

[09:12:38]

stuarta:

thanks

[09:12:59]

stuarta:

still fit in a bit of diy on her flat last night :)

[09:13:41]

Juski:

I'm starting to see an end to the bathroom work at home (thank god)

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stuarta:

her place mainly needs a coat of paint, so it's just a bit of filling, drilling & painting

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Juski:

stuarta: not too bad then

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stuarta:

not at all. btw. mythtv 0.19 is in this months linux format magazine, haven't had a chance to read the article yet though...

[09:41:45]

Juski:

linux format.. lol

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stuarta:

not exactly a quality publication

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Juski:

it'll be a one or 2 side writeup, the summary of which would read "mythtv looks promising but difficult for mortals to install & use"

[09:44:05]

stuarta:

think it's one page.

[09:44:09]

Juski:

i.e. "we're too thick to make it work"

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hashbang:

Juski: you'd be surprised. Sometimes they go into quite extreme detail on setting stuff up from scratch, when any sane distro would just let you do '<emerge|apt-get|yum install> foo'

[09:51:04]

hashbang:

LXF is quite an enigma.

[09:51:47]

stuarta:

they had a reasonably good article on how xen virtualization works a few months ago.

[09:54:53]

hashbang:

if anything, I think they pander too much to the 'I like Linux 'cos it's difficult, and being able to do basic things in complicated ways proves how studly I am' crowd.

[10:06:28]

Dibblah:

Bah. Read any of the Gentoo docs if you need handholding. Or if you don't, even. They're all quite good, IMHO.

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arcadies:

does anyone know how to setup mythtv for ZA content

[10:14:51]

arcadies:

or even know where i could begin looking for such info?

[10:15:22]

Zider:

ZA?

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arcadies:

south africa

[10:15:38]

Zider:

oh

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Dibblah:

Well, tv_grab_za exists...

[10:22:17]

Juski:

well, it's true that the LF article is only one page long – they give it about 7/10 or something like that.

[10:23:12]

Juski:

standing alongside $ky plu$ I'd give mythtv 10/10. sure it's not the easiest thing in the world to configure but hell it whops the arse off every other pvr platform by a long shot

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port7:

mythtv gets my vote

[10:28:57]

Merlin83b2:

I think it probably gets the vote of most people in this channel :-)

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port7:

heh

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port7:

true

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ivor:

who was it trying to hook up a scart to their epia? ...

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Merlin83b2:

It wasn't me but I remember talking about it. Why, ivor?

[10:43:14]

ivor:

Merlin83b2: wondered who it was. wondered if they'd tried anything.

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Merlin83b2:

Oh, thought you might have found a howto or something :-)

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ivor:

hmm no search for MythLogBot

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Merlin83b2:

google and site: is about as good as I've found :-)

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stuarta:

!poke MythLogBot

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Merlin83b2:

stuarta: The debugging I need some help with is something where a glibc error makes it into the BE log about a linked list and the BE crashes there and then. Any ideas off the top of your head?

[10:53:28]

Merlin83b2:

I'd log in and get the exact error but for some reason I can't log into home :<

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stuarta:

-> #mythtv

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Merlin83b2:

Good plan

[10:59:25]

ivor:

Merlin83b2: oh well if you remember who it was let me know.

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Merlin83b2:

I have a rubbish memory so I wouldn't hold out too much hope :-)

[11:00:16]

Merlin83b2:

But will do if by any chance I do

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ivor:

perhaps I can get Beirdo to grep the logfile when he's around.

[11:01:26]

** Merlin83b2 looks in his logfile. **

[11:08:34]

Merlin83b2:

Can't really track it down, ivor :-/

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ivor:

:) no worries.

[11:09:00]

ivor:

I'll just mutter epia scart occasionally and see if he pops up.

[11:09:27]

Merlin83b2:

hashbang or cliffd seem to have talked about scart but can't fine the conversation.

[11:09:42]

Merlin83b2:

Juski said he was going to put a SCART output into his system at some point...

[11:09:51]

Juski:

still not got round to that

[11:10:03]

Merlin83b2:

:-)

[11:10:41]

Juski:

there's a bodge you can do with a modeline & a transistor fuddled onto the VGA output

[11:11:08]

Juski:

I also looked into how hard it'd be to modify the TV output to be RGB...

[11:11:40]

Juski:

turned out it'd be pretty easy if you're good with soldering wires onto fine pitch SMD

[11:11:53]

Merlin83b2:

Some guy around here made a VGA to SCART(RGB) thinger apparently.

[11:12:03]

Juski:

laga is (was?) making one

[11:12:33]

Merlin83b2:

I've closed the log now :-)

[11:13:44]

ivor:

Juski: aha. were you talking about putting one onto an epia chip?

[11:13:45]

Juski:

the wiki says "Instructions on how to make the circuit are here".. but there's no link :-/

[11:13:59]

Merlin83b2:

:-(

[11:14:27]

Juski:

the diagram is around here somewhere

[11:14:42]

Juski:

http://www.sput.nl/hardware/tv-x.html

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Juski:

there's another one on a homepage of a british guy

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Juski:

no it wasn't the venerable mr Brej...

[11:18:12]

Juski:

I remember this guy's page also features something called mythbayes

[11:18:50]

Juski:

thankyou again, google: http://www.nexusuk.org/projects/vga2scart/circuit

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** Juski goes to edit the wiki-wiki-wah-wah **

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Longkong:

Hi

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ivor:

Juski: ah but that relies on having an interlaced output from the VGA.

[11:20:37]

ivor:

thats why I was interested in whoever it was who was going to experiment connecting to the epia chip.

[11:20:43]

Longkong:

How can I switch the the channels, if I am in dual-channel Audio-Mode? (If a network sends one language at channel A (left) and the other at Channel B (right)

[11:21:26]

Juski:

ivor: they all do, unless you use an external scaler

[11:22:02]

Juski:

even the EPIA TV out isn't properly interlaced unless you run it in an unscaled mode

[11:22:18]

ivor:

yes it is.

[11:22:30]

Juski:

yes the output is always PAL interlaced (or NTSC)

[11:22:35]

ivor:

its just that if you're not unscaled the filsters blurr the picture

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stuarta:

Longkong: +/- keys

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ivor:

filters

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Juski:

but what goes into the TV encoder isn't necessarily interlaced

[11:22:54]

Longkong:

stuarta: does this also work with Windows? ;)

[11:23:11]

ivor:

Juski: not quite sure what you mean.

[11:23:20]

stuarta:

no idea, don't care, myth doesn't run on windows

[11:23:30]

Longkong:

stuarta: it does, there are Filters :)

[11:23:46]

Juski:

ivor: I mean TV encoders can take progressive input & always churn out interlaced

[11:23:56]

stuarta:

mythfrontend doesn't run on windows then

[11:24:11]

Longkong:

stuarta: I only need it to watch Live-TV ;)

[11:24:18]

Juski:

if the video mode you use in X is progressive, you still need to deinterlace even on a TV output

[11:24:32]

stuarta:

then why are you bothering with myth?

[11:24:59]

Longkong:

stuarta: is there a better solution?

[11:25:18]

Juski:

anyway Ivor – were you wondering how far I'd got? I found the datasheet for the TV encoder the EPIA boards use & I could come up with a circuit

[11:25:41]

ivor:

Juski: sure I just wondered if you'd got as far as getting the signals direct from the chip.

[11:25:53]

stuarta:

the whole point of myth is not to watch live tv, after using it for 6months you wont.

[11:25:53]

ivor:

since I'm rewriting the tv code at the moment.

[11:26:09]

Juski:

ivor: are you working on the epia video driver?

[11:26:22]

ivor:

Juski: yeah.

[11:26:25]

Juski:

ooo!

[11:26:32]

ivor:

google: ivor unichrome

[11:26:43]

Juski:

I'd say hedge your bets & leave an option in to set RGB out on the TV encoder

[11:27:06]

Longkong:

stuarta: so what do you suggest, I want to stream live-TV over the network (I have three TV-Cards in the backend)

[11:27:08]

ivor:

sure its easy to do and you can get both RGB and component out of the vt1622

[11:27:23]

Longkong:

(well only 2, one does not work :P)

[11:27:27]

ivor:

hence if someone's getting the signals out it'd be fun to play with

[11:27:43]

Longkong:

because there is not enough space for another Sound-Card :P

[11:27:56]

Juski:

from what I can remember the green & blue come out on the Y & C connections of the svideo socket

[11:28:11]

stuarta:

ah, well that's a different setup, where myth is entirely appropriate.

[11:28:13]

Juski:

the red connection is left at pin 12 (or whatever) of the chip

[11:28:36]

stuarta:

anyway, the original problem is solved using +/- in mythfrontend

[11:29:06]

Juski:

ivor: infact – you'd be the man for me to ask this.... how good is opengl in unichrome/openchrome? good enough for the new UI stuff?

[11:29:06]

stuarta:

if you are running some other frontend you'll have to do some coding yourself

[11:29:24]

Juski:

ivor: reason I ask is that I'

[11:29:30]

ivor:

Juski: sure I'm running it.

[11:29:40]

Juski:

ivor: and it'

[11:29:40]

ivor:

I was impressed.

[11:29:43]

Juski:

damn

[11:29:45]

ivor:

:)

[11:29:48]

Juski:

ivor: so it's ok then?

[11:29:57]

ivor:

Juski: move your right hand left about half an inch.

[11:30:14]

Juski:

damn cheap keyboard

[11:30:27]

ivor:

Juski: yeah it rocks. and the transitions in gallery too. myth is cool.

[11:30:42]

Juski:

ivor: hmmm... wonder why they segfault in minimyth then

[11:31:03]

ivor:

no idea. backtrace time.

[11:31:05]

Juski:

and the visualisations in mythmusic are disabled too

[11:31:27]

ivor:

perhaps minimyth needs updating?

[11:31:43]

Juski:

maybe it's better now, or maybe I have a bad memory & just never bother with mythgallery cos it doesn't get the aspect ratio right

[11:31:53]

Merlin83b2:

Did the UseOpenGLPainter making everything go painfully slow on EPIA get sorted?

[11:31:53]

** LLyric keen to do a bit of hacking on mythtv at some stage **

[11:32:46]

ivor:

Merlin83b2: if you have working opengl on unichrome, it works.

[11:32:57]

Merlin83b2:

:-)

[11:33:01]

Merlin83b2:

I have no idea if I do or not.

[11:33:02]

Juski:

I think minimyth is using openchrome now

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Merlin83b2:

I started to build a system using Debian, got the basic OS on there, got scared and returned to my happilly running KnoppMyth system :-)

[11:33:49]

Merlin83b2:

I've never used Debian so didn't know where to go next :-)

[11:34:19]

Merlin83b2:

On that note, I shall go to lunch.

[11:34:36]

ivor:

um yeah ahem, s/unichrome/openchrome/ :D

[11:35:01]

Merlin83b2:

I'm using whatever KnoppMyth R5A26 put on there :-)

[11:35:08]

eiggirC:

Do I need to tell "Watch TV" which tuner to use? I've just added and set up the second PVR 150

[11:35:33]

eiggirC:

however when I watch Live TV it sits black for ~10 secs then throws me back to the main screen

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Juski:

ivor: bit of a difference between the two – it's confusing enough as it is

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eiggirC:

no thats weird

[11:37:43]

eiggirC:

I get static on one tuner and a good picture on the other

[11:37:53]

eiggirC:

I think I have either firmware or ivtv problems

[11:37:56]

eiggirC:

*arse*

[11:38:24]

Juski:

eiggirC: either that or you've forgot to plug the antenna into one of them

[11:38:34]

Juski:

:-P

[11:39:31]

eiggirC:

Juski: no I didn't

[11:39:33]

eiggirC:

*checks*

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eiggirC:

BRB

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eiggirC:

definitely plugged in both aerial leads :)

[11:42:05]

eiggirC:

the two PVR 150s are slightly different... one's an MCE and the other is the full version

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Juski:

the tin thing (tuner) on the new card isn't a Samsung is it? I smell an ivtv upgrade being necessary

[11:51:54]

eiggirC:

Juski: nope, just checking

[11:52:14]

Juski:

oh shit – $ky TV have got a thing called Sky Net. The rise of the machines?!?!?!?! wahhhhh

[11:52:18]

** Juski runs for the hills **

[11:52:18]

eiggirC:

tuner 1–0061: type set to 0 (Temic PAL (4002 FH5))

[11:52:22]

eiggirC:

is that a samsung?

[11:52:31]

eiggirC:

tuner 2–0061: type set to 38 (Philips PAL/SECAM multi (FM1216ME MK3))

[11:52:39]

Juski:

eiggirC: check the ivtv mauling list ;-)

[11:52:40]

eiggirC:

the original card is a philips for sure

[11:52:49]

eiggirC:

ok thanks

[11:53:16]

Juski:

type 0 tuner... that's what mine's detected as. see I never got mine working – actually never bothered cos I only use Svid

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Goatz:

Hrumm wait a day and get a pvr250 or get a 150 today and get it built hrummm.

[11:56:15]

Juski:

get the pvr150

[11:58:37]

Goatz:

but but the hardware encoder .... grrrr

[11:58:53]

eiggirC:

150 has a hardware encoder

[11:59:18]

Juski:

ah hang on – my tuner type isn't 0

[12:00:48]

Juski:

eiggirC: I suspect your tuner is a samsung since it wasn't autodetected properly. try upgrading your ivtv

[12:03:13]

eiggirC:

Juski: doing that now – 0.4.4 is what I'm setting up

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eiggirC:

Juski: worse.... tveeprom 1–0050: tuner model is LG S001D MK3 (idx 60, type 38)

[12:07:10]

blafd:

[12:07:50]

blafd:

blanket supported*

[12:07:53]

Juski:

blafd: never mind, we're not getting HDTV in the UK for ages yet

[12:08:16]

blafd:

i know but im not buying a tuner with anything less ;)

[12:08:34]

Juski:

any dvb-t tuner will be able to pull in HDTV when it comes out, so long as it supports 8k transmission mode

[12:08:35]

blafd:

I should be holding out for something with dual dvb-t

[12:08:41]

blafd:

on a singal board

[12:08:53]

blafd:

ok

[12:09:00]

blafd:

that i didnt know

[12:09:13]

blafd:

n1 ;p

[12:09:18]

eiggirC:

blafd: nah – just buy what you need now.... by the time $NEWTECH is available you'll want something else :)

[12:09:56]

LLyric:

blafd: there are a couple of twin-tuner hdtv cards

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LLyric:

dvico twin something, and a brand new haupauge

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blafd:

what do i need now just freeview really

[12:11:43]

stuarta:

b1afd: just buy whatever 40quid card you get your hands on.

[12:11:45]

blafd:

what would be the best route for that i can always use it as a secondary when i get something more rowdy ;)

[12:11:52]

Juski:

dvico cards are shite, so I've heard

[12:12:10]

Juski:

dvico/twinhan/bollocks

[12:14:22]

eiggirC:

Juski: I think I got my cards loading, but Live TV now shows black for an instant then returns to the main screen

[12:15:20]

blafd:

I think this little Kworld usb tuner i got here must worked it self to death

[12:15:54]

blafd:

its totaly irratic in its behaviour, and was doing what you just described last time i had it half working lol

[12:16:20]

Juski:

kworld. ffs buy a decent make not just some crap the local computer junkshop sells ;-)

[12:16:23]

blafd:

It was heating up like a chevy v8

[12:16:54]

Juski:

that said I went & bought 3 leadtek dvb-t tuners from fleabay

[12:16:57]

Zider:

chevy chase :P

[12:17:15]

eiggirC:

just got bitten twice by the "lets rename tuner1 to tuner" change in ivtv :)

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Goatz:

One more thing and i'll shut up for the day, there is no support for the mce usb style remotes in linux right? stick with the i2c style on the cap card right?

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jave:

hello

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jave:

im looking for something like a device to send ir commands to things like tv sets, from linux. any hints?

[12:22:02]

blafd:

ermm

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blafd:

Goatz not quite

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stuarta:

jave: irblaster

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jave:

stuarta: thanks

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ivor:

aaah that's better. nice fry up for lunch.

[12:31:02]

stuarta:

and it's not even friday!!!

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gardengnome:

gah

[12:31:33]

gardengnome:

someone at school said to me: "have a nice weekend". such a bastard. getting my hopes up...

[12:31:46]

ivor:

stuarta: yeah didn't have one last week so I'm allowed two this week.

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stuarta:

:)

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eiggirC:

ahhh this is pissing me right off!

[12:35:02]

eiggirC:

one pvr150 works fine

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eiggirC:

the other one returns only static

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stuarta:

see what happens with the good one removed

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eiggirC:

stuarta: yeah – good idea

[12:36:20]

eiggirC:

has anyone got a pair of PVR150s working nicely together? they're not quite the same unfortunately

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LLyric:

I guess that's a pain – can't use module params like normal

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Beirdo:

blarf

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stuarta:

blarf to you too...

[12:51:40]

Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

so I redirected the webspace for all my stuff that's at home

[12:52:20]

Beirdo:

will finish redoing the asterisk config tonight...

[12:52:30]

Beirdo:

redirected my mail

[12:52:42]

Beirdo:

them computers are gonna be shipped shortly :)

[12:53:36]

Beirdo:

will be down to one laptop and the DSL modem for the rest of the week

[12:53:52]

Beirdo:

just rather shameful, really :)

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stuarta:

poor Beirdo, poor bot

[12:54:05]

Beirdo:

nah, the bot isn't at home

[12:54:09]

Beirdo:

it's on my linode

[12:54:40]

Beirdo:

but trac is at home.. well, was until last night

[12:55:01]

Beirdo:

now it points at the linode, and will give a "this domain is parked while I move the servers" page :)

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Beirdo:

and my sister now has my TV

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Beirdo:

:(

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Beirdo:

moving sucks

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arcadies:

can anyone help me here quick

[12:56:52]

arcadies:

how do i add tv_grab_za

[12:57:04]

arcadies:

to the mythtv setup?

[12:57:12]

arcadies:

or how do i add to to get the chans from there

[13:02:32]

Beirdo:

well, I guess I'd better get to work

[13:02:43]

Beirdo:

arcadies: sorry, I dunno how to help you with that.

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arcadies:

thx anyway

[13:03:19]

eiggirC:

fuckit – 1 am and time to speel

[13:03:21]

eiggirC:

sleep

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gardengnome:

arcadies: you can add it in libs/libmythtv/videosource.cpp and programs/mythfilldatabase/filldata.cpp IIRC

[13:03:50]

gardengnome:

eiggirC: time to speel correctly? ;)

[13:04:11]

gardengnome:

arcadies: or just replace one of the existing grabbers on your file system with the new one

[13:04:14]

gardengnome:

anyways, nap-time!

[13:04:32]

arcadies:

gardengnome : where do i do that?

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gardengnome:

arcadies: where do you do what?

[13:05:18]

arcadies:

3:05p) <gardengnome> arcadies: or just replace one of the existing grabbers on your file system with the new one

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arcadies:

that

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gardengnome:

on your file system?

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gardengnome:

sorry, i don't have the time to tell you how to use your linux system... afk.

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arcadies:

no man i mean were is the file to edit

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fatmatt:

I think I figured out why my pc is losing track of the time

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fatmatt:

which plays havoc with myth..

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fatmatt:

if I encode a 1gb .wav using lame to an mp3, it losing about 10minutes

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kavorka^:

has anyone experienced freezes when deleting a recording with 0.19?

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LLyric:

Sure.

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LLyric:

ext3 filesystem

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kavorka^:

so is it a bug?

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LLyric:

no, it's the normal behaviour for that filesystem. As documented.

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kavorka^:

i mean half the time when deleted a file 4–5gb myth will freeze on me and i need to kill it

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LLyric:

It should only freeze for a few seconds...

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kavorka^:

sometimes it does that...other times it doesnt recover

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LLyric:

A long freeze, no, that's not normal :)

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kavorka^:

damm

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LLyric:

It's not mythtv – that just makes a filesystem delete, afaik

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kavorka^:

so i should have used ext2?

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LLyric:

No, xfs or jfs

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Zider:

or reiserfs

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kavorka^:

reiser isnt recommend according to the mythtv.org site

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Zider:

it's recommended according to me ;P

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kavorka^:

ok

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LLyric:

See http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/File_storage

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Zider:

it doesn't say anything about reiserfs being particulary bad

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LLyric:

"although it doesn't perform as well with large files"

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LLyric:

what's myth? :)

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Zider:

myth is a program

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stuarta:

!trout LLyric

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** MythLogBot slaps LLyric with a trout on behalf of stuarta... **

[13:37:58]

LLyric:

but yeah :)

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Zider:

or rather, mythtv is a program

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** LLyric chuckles **

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kavorka^:

hmm ill have to dig it up...i remember it mentinrf somewhere

[13:38:28]

LLyric:

"In short, a good choice is ext3/Reiser for your system partitions and JFS or XFS for your MythTV storage. "

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kavorka^:

anyway im not too fussed...just a pia when it happens

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Zider:

mythtv doesn't necesaarily have to deal with large files

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stuarta:

mwahahaha!!!

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Zider:

LLyric: still doesn't mean reiserfs is BAD for mythtv

[13:39:06]

LLyric:

Sure

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Zider:

only that others might be sligtly better

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LLyric:

I'm too slack to use anything but ext3 anyway :)

[13:39:20]

LLyric:

I can handle a couple of seconds pause

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Zider:

I have never used jfs or xfs so I can't tell if they're good or bad, but I do know reiserfs always performed well and been stable for me

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kavorka^:

well i use reiser for my main pc and its never had a problem

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** ivor has no problems with his reiserfs and myth. **

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kavorka^:

damm had i known i would have selected it

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** stuarta agrees with ivor **

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kavorka^:

im tempted to backup and convert to reiser

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Zider:

I've been running reiser since it was barely in the kernel

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Zider:

in the 2.4.x age ;)

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kavorka^:

anyone use bob for deinterlacing?

[13:42:51]

Zider:

I have a friend called bob

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LLyric:

bob is evil, my HD weanies tell me

[13:43:22]

LLyric:

weave is groovy

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LLyric:

or something

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** LLyric shrugs **

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kavorka^:

why do u say that? its a lifesaver for me

[13:43:56]

Zider:

"who is general Failure and why is he reading my disk?"

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** LLyric doesn't know, uses pvr-350 for output **

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arc4dies:

well iv googled and wikied

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kavorka^:

a pvr-350 only does analogue..right?

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arc4dies:

and still cant see how to solve the problem

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arc4dies:

how do i add tv_grab_za as a grabber?

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arc4dies:

and so it comes up in myth-setup?

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arc4dies:

please someone help me

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arc4dies:

im about to pull my hair out

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arc4dies:

;/

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kavorka^:

arc4dies, have you downloaded the tv_grab_za script? if so, place it in /usr/bin

[14:00:27]

kavorka^:

and i assume you have installed xmltv and all its dependancies, yes?

[14:05:35]

arc4dies:

ya

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arc4dies:

i emerged it

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arc4dies:

and iv done that

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arc4dies:

but now i need to know now to add it as a grabber

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arc4dies:

since it doesnt come up after mythtv-setup

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kavorka^:

strange, it should appear

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arc4dies:

it doesnt

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kavorka^:

does the script work when you run it directly?

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kavorka^:

ie from the bash shell

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arc4dies:

and there seem to be alot of ppl with the same problem

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arc4dies:

ya works perfectly

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kavorka^:

thats as the mythtv user right?

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arc4dies:

ya and as root

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arc4dies:

and still nothing

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Understudy:

hello :)

[14:11:10]

arc4dies:

im really frustrated at this point

[14:11:11]

arc4dies:

;/

[14:11:33]

kavorka^:

damm...nothing in the gentoo forums?

[14:11:52]

stuarta:

so as yourself it works perfectly?

[14:12:10]

Understudy:

I have a very newbie question. I have directv, would I require two receivers in order to watch one show while recording another with mythtv?

[14:12:31]

arc4dies:

stuarta : it doesnt work at all

[14:12:32]

arc4dies:

ever

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arc4dies:

kavorka^ : nothing

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arc4dies:

0

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arc4dies:

i dont think many ppl in za use mythtv

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Merlin83b2:

No, Understudy. Also, we meet again! Mwahahaha!

[14:12:54]

stuarta:

arc4dies: script is FUBAR then

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Understudy:

Hi Merlin83b

[14:13:05]

Understudy:

:)

[14:13:10]

Merlin83b2:

Are you stalking me?

[14:13:20]

Understudy:

I can have one receiver ? really that is awesome :)

[14:13:23]

Understudy:

Yes I am

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Merlin83b2:

Well you only need to receive one signal – the other is just playing back :-)

[14:13:49]

kavorka^:

arc4dies, do a search for tv_grab* problems...dont limit it to za...im sure there are similar cases

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arc4dies:

stuarta : its the one off the http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/atta . . . _grab_za.bin

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Understudy:

Merlin83b2, but if one receiver is recording one program on one channel how would I be able to watch another?

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Merlin83b2:

Oh, you mean you want to watch two that are being broadcast at the same time?

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kavorka^:

arc4dies, but you said it works when you run it from the shell?

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kavorka^:

does it or doesnt it work?

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arc4dies:

kavorka^ : the script works

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kavorka^:

ok

[14:15:35]

arc4dies:

but it doesnt add it to mythtv-setup

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stuarta:

arc4dies: you just told me it doesn't!!!

[14:15:38]

kavorka^:

this is with mythtv 0.19?

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Understudy:

Merlin83b2, yeah I want to record scifi and watch HBO lets say

[14:15:41]

Merlin83b2:

Sorry, for that you do need two tuners.

[14:15:46]

arc4dies:

Well the script runs

[14:15:48]

Merlin83b2:

Misunderstood your original question.

[14:15:56]

arc4dies:

but doesnt do what it is intended to do

[14:16:01]

arc4dies:

if u understand what i mean

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Understudy:

Merlin83b2, that is what I thought

[14:16:17]

arc4dies:

/google tv_grab*

[14:16:18]

Understudy:

Merlin83b2, does thsi port to FreeBSD?

[14:17:06]

kavorka^:

arc4dies, well when you run the script does it populate the database?

[14:17:12]

stuarta:

be more specific, does it get any data? corrupt data? refused connections? make a cup of tea?

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Merlin83b2:

I gather it can be mde to do so but I run it on Linux (it couldn't when I started using it)

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kavorka^:

stuarta, you should see info about fetching data and connecting to the myth db

[14:18:43]

kavorka^:

arc4dies, sorry lol

[14:18:53]

arc4dies:

im having a look

[14:18:55]

Understudy:

Merlin83b2, cool, Slackwareis acceptable?

[14:18:56]

stuarta:

the script is broken. just ran it locally and it barfed

[14:19:07]

kavorka^:

well there you go

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Merlin83b2:

Understudy: I would guess so – any old Linux you're happy running :-)

[14:19:17]

arc4dies:

okay kewl

[14:19:21]

arc4dies:

so gg me then

[14:19:23]

arc4dies:

;/

[14:19:41]

Understudy:

Merlin83b2, it is the only one besides knoppix live and peanut I have ever run

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kavorka^:

well with the au script i had to hand edit that too

[14:19:48]

kavorka^:

its not lost

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stuarta:

they've probably changed the website from what the script is expecting...

[14:20:15]

arc4dies:

stuarta : http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php . . . vgrabza#5576

[14:20:23]

arc4dies:

i use that aswell

[14:20:27]

Understudy:

Merlin83b2 Now tha know you are in here I will be bugging you with lots of questions, when I start this project. :)

[14:20:27]

arc4dies:

and nothing

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kavorka^:

where does it fail? whats the error message?

[14:20:41]

arc4dies:

so i guess ill have to edit it myself then

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arc4dies:

and try

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Merlin83b2:

I'll bet, Understudy :-)

[14:20:56]

arc4dies:

ill have a look

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arc4dies:

and edit it

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arc4dies:

and see what i can do

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Understudy:

Merlin83b2, How is Joshua. ;)

[14:21:16]

kavorka^:

with the au one it was trying to download the data and write it to a non existant directory..so that was an easy one for me

[14:21:30]

kavorka^:

so i just changed it to /temp

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Merlin83b2:

Understudy: Replaced :-)

[14:22:27]

Understudy:

Merlin83b2, cool, Thanks for the help I will leave you be for now :)

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arc4dies:

BEGIN not safe after errors--compilation aborted at /usr/bin/tv_grab_za.bin line 72.

[14:24:18]

arc4dies:

/usr/bin/tv_grab_za.bin: line 1: kk: command not found

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arc4dies:

Unquoted string "kk" may clash with future reserved word at /usr/bin/tv_grab_za.bin line 4.

[14:24:18]

arc4dies:

syntax error at /usr/bin/tv_grab_za.bin line 4, near "kk

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arc4dies:

#!/usr/bin/perl -w

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Neeesat25:

Hello to all

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Neeesat25:

Anybody awake?

[14:49:00]

Zider:

no ;)

[14:49:28]

Neeesat25:

I would like to ask some basic questions since so far I am using VDR

[14:49:51]

Zider:

VDR?

[14:50:05]

Neeesat25:

yes VDR Video Digital Recorder

[14:50:14]

Neeesat25:

Running debian with frame buffer

[14:50:20]

Zider:

mkay

[14:50:21]

Neeesat25:

and Nexus Card

[14:50:36]

Neeesat25:

Do you need X windows tto run Myth?

[14:50:43]

Zider:

yes

[14:50:54]

Zider:

at least, afaik

[14:51:01]

Neeesat25:

You can not through frame buffer?

[14:51:05]

Merlin83b2:

You do fo the frontend.

[14:51:19]

Neeesat25:

But you need x?

[14:51:24]

Juski:

generally

[14:51:34]

Juski:

it's a PITA to use FB

[14:51:39]

Juski:

but it can be done

[14:51:48]

Neeesat25:

hmm, So whats the best system for Myth?

[14:51:52]

Neeesat25:

I use debian

[14:51:56]

Merlin83b2:

Debian is fine.

[14:52:03]

Juski:

how long is a piece of string? how big is your brain? :-P

[14:52:03]

Neeesat25:

Do you use dvb?

[14:52:09]

Merlin83b2:

Yes.

[14:52:28]

Neeesat25:

I am using gbox emu. Is this possible in Myth?

[14:52:41]

Juski:

before you ask, mythtv doesn't support naughty things

[14:52:45]

Zider:

gbox? is that like geexbox?

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Merlin83b2:

I don't know what that is :-)

[14:53:03]

Neeesat25:

It's an emulator we use in Europe for card sharing

[14:53:07]

Juski:

NO

[14:53:17]

Neeesat25:

just SC?

[14:53:20]

Juski:

NO

[14:53:28]

Juski:

hardware CAM or nothing

[14:53:46]

Neeesat25:

I know it does more but anyway

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Zider:

"we" use in europe? I'm in europe, and I never heard of it..

[14:54:05]

Juski:

no, it's hardware CAMs or nothing.

[14:54:17]

Neeesat25:

You never heard about gbox?

[14:54:22]

Neeesat25:

in Europe?

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Zider:

nope

[14:54:27]

Neeesat25:

Do you use DVB?

[14:54:32]

Zider:

nope

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Juski:

yeh in some parts of europe 'everyone' steals TV

[14:54:40]

Zider:

Juski: pirate cards?

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Neeesat25:

Thats why you didn't hear about

[14:54:58]

Neeesat25:

Anyway ok about that

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Juski:

so coming in here asking about stuff – a logged channel no less.. hardly doing mythtv any favours

[14:55:36]

Neeesat25:

Can you use the output of NEXUS for Myth?

[14:56:01]

Juski:

NEXUS? you mean like the NEXUS DVB-S cards?

[14:56:02]

Neeesat25:

Dont take me wrong I am using VDR and I would like to join you for MYTHTV

[14:56:08]

Neeesat25:

yes thats the one

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Juski:

oh wait – they have that video output on the DVB_S board. Myth doesn't support that

[14:56:38]

tfm:

.cy can hardly be called general europe ;)

[14:56:42]

Juski:

they're not even made anymore AFAIK

[14:56:56]

Neeesat25:

CYPRUS my friend

[14:57:02]

Neeesat25:

We are in Europe

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Zider:

is cyprus even a part of europe?

[14:57:09]

tfm:

its part ;)

[14:57:12]

Juski:

only recently

[14:57:14]

Zider:

k

[14:57:16]

Neeesat25:

yes

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tfm:

but it uses so many systems not known in europe

[14:57:29]

tfm:

or not generally used

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Neeesat25:

What systems you mean?

[14:57:44]

tfm:

DVB ;)

[14:57:45]

Juski:

anyway – your nexus-s video output will be useless in mythtv

[14:58:00]

Neeesat25:

What I can use for TV out?

[14:58:14]

Juski:

a video card, like nvidia fx5200

[14:58:28]

Neeesat25:

Does this give excelent TV-out?

[14:58:33]

Juski:

pretty much

[14:58:35]

Neeesat25:

For big tv's/

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tfm:

describe excellent ;)

[14:58:47]

hashbang:

Neeesat25: best TV output comes from a VGA->SCART or DVI

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maqe:

hi everyone, i got this problem with my cd/dvd. when i have watched a dvd i cant open it? can it be locked by mytthv?

[14:58:49]

Neeesat25:

Like dreambox output

[14:58:55]

Juski:

mine is comparable to a panasonic DVD player on a 32 inch screen

[14:59:18]

Zider:

speaking of tv-out.. is the tv-out on the gf6200 as good as the fx5200?

[14:59:33]

Juski:

depends on the tv encoder chip they use

[14:59:39]

Zider:

ah

[14:59:43]

Zider:

figures ;P

[14:59:43]

Juski:

the nv encoder is excellent but some aren't

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** hashbang hearts his VGA->RGB Scart cable. **

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Neeesat25:

So the best you recomend is FX5200?

[15:00:45]

Juski:

is there a list anywhere of which nvidia drivers support interlaced output?

[15:00:51]

hashbang:

Juski: 8756

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stuarta:

!trout hashbang for murdering the english language

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** MythLogBot slaps hashbang for murdering the english language with a trout on behalf of stuarta... **

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Zider:

"murdering the english language with a trout"?

[15:01:37]

hashbang:

Juski: and I think, maybe, 7176 or something of that era.

[15:01:38]

Juski:

hashbang: isn't xvmc borked in that version though?

[15:02:00]

stuarta:

needs a comma

[15:02:19]

hashbang:

Juski: Xv+GL Vsync is faster than XvMC for me, but Xv is sufficient for SD DVB-T

[15:02:25]

Zider:

Juski: I think all the drivers supports it as long as the card does..

[15:02:35]

Neeesat25:

Juski: Is the nvidia FX5200 the best for tv out?

[15:02:40]

hashbang:

Zider: nope. 8178 has broken interlaced output.

[15:02:57]

hashbang:

Zider: they keep breaking it then fixing it again.

[15:02:59]

Merlin83b2:

I'd like to do the VGA->SCART thing at some point.

[15:03:00]

Juski:

how do you know all this? like I said – is there a list somewhere?

[15:03:26]

Zider:

hashbang: I see

[15:03:37]

Zider:

Juski: www.nvidia.com? :)

[15:03:41]

Juski:

because nvidia never say which features are turned on or off in any particular driver version

[15:03:41]

hashbang:

Juski: don't think so – just experience. I've used 8178, which gave a 768x576 res. to X, but the actual output was non-interlaced. 8756 fixed that.

[15:03:57]

Zider:

Juski: the changelog should tell

[15:04:03]

Juski:

bloody snakeoil merchants

[15:04:05]

hashbang:

Juski: some earlier versions wouldn't even let you utter the 'interlace' keyword on the modeline.

[15:04:24]

hashbang:

nvnews.net forums are worth searching.

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hashbang:

Merlin83b: it works well. Picture quality is at least as good as my Samsung DVD player and Daewoo STB.

[15:04:56]

Neeesat25:

Juski can I PM you please?

[15:05:08]

Juski:

no you can't PM me

[15:05:14]

Merlin83b2:

hashbang: Then I def want one – the S-video output from the EPIA isn't quite there.

[15:05:18]

Neeesat25:

Why not?

[15:05:26]

Juski:

try it – see what happens

[15:05:36]

hashbang:

Merlin83b: the only gotcha is that your VGA card needs to be able to do dotclocks down to 12–15MHz.

[15:05:41]

Neeesat25:

Do you use Debian?

[15:05:43]

Juski:

if you can ask in a PM you can ask me in public

[15:06:11]

Merlin83b2:

hashbang: I have abolutely no idea if an Epia M10k will do that or not :-)

[15:06:13]

Neeesat25:

I dont have a problem to ask in public but there is a lot of trafic here and I am a newbee

[15:06:20]

Juski:

another reason is that I'm using irssi

[15:06:23]

Juski:

:-P

[15:06:34]

hashbang:

Merlin83b: check the X startup log. It should tell you the min/max clocks it'll do.

[15:06:48]

hashbang:

Merlin83b: failing that, build one and see. The parts are no more than 15GBP.

[15:06:55]

Juski:

everything is logged, so everybody benefits. that's why I never answer PMs for help on the mythtvtalk forums

[15:06:57]

** hashbang coughs **

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hashbang:

and, oh, 40 hours of your time, if you're as rubbish as me. :-]

[15:07:17]

maqe:

Does anyone know if there is a solution for problems generating this error message "Error was encountered while displaying video"

[15:07:18]

Merlin83b2:

lol, I'm probably more rubbish :-)

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hashbang:

maqe: DVB?

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Merlin83b2:

I'll revisit it when I have more time. Doing the software side at the moment :-)

[15:07:55]

maqe:

hashbang: yeah

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maqe:

im running fixes-release and twinhan dvb-t

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hashbang:

maqe: it happens here if I quit livetv whilst it's watching a channel that has gone away by the next time I try livetv.

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hashbang:

maqe: some of our channels in the UK share the same PID (?) on the mplex.

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mythabuser:

some of my setup screens go below my viewable screen, how can i fix this? i've messed with the screen size settings in the apperence menu, but that doesn't seem to fix it

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hashbang:

e.g. kids TV during the day, pr0n at night.

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Juski:

fucking stupid tv channel sharing. they should just have _less_ channels

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** hashbang shoots ITV Play, QVC and pricedrop. **

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maqe:

hashbang: okay i live in sweden and i dont think we got the same problem here

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Neeesat25:

Juski what do you mean by that?

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hashbang:

maqe: echo "use mythconverg; update cardinput set startchan=501;" | mysql -u root --password=<ROOTPASS>

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hashbang:

maqe: replace 501 with a channel that'll definitely always be there.

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Juski:

Neeesat25: I mean that in the UK we have too many shit TV channels

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Neeesat25:

In Cyprus we dont

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Neeesat25:

Why not having card sharing?

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mythabuser:

im i missing something somewhere?

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maqe:

hashbang: when this happens i just go back and restart tv on the same channel

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Juski:

Neeesat25: card sharing is illegal, so mythtv doesn't support it

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Neeesat25:

I dont have a problem with that

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Neeesat25:

I respect it

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Neeesat25:

I only what to get help to build my system

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Neeesat25:

what=want

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hashbang:

Neeesat25: not only does the *software* not support cardsharing, but *we* don't either.

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hashbang:

is what Juski's trying to say, I think.

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Juski:

so – you need like a nvidia fx card...

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Juski:

hashbang: right on :-)

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Neeesat25:

Ok that is over about card sharing

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Neeesat25:

Lets move forward

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Neeesat25:

I just ask a question about it nothing more

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** hashbang draws a line under it. **

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** Juski laminates the page **

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Neeesat25:

Does the latest kernel support fx5200?

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Zider:

Neeesat25: it's not a kernel thing

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hashbang:

Neeesat25: not a kernel issue, but an nVidia driver issue.

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hashbang:

gardengnome: that's gonna hurt in a few hours.

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mythabuser:

it's confusing, because not all of my screens are cut off

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hashbang:

gardengnome: you know what 'laminates' is, right?

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gardengnome:

hashbang: chili is worse. because it hurts two times.

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gardengnome:

hashbang: yeah, of course.

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hashbang:

laga: pah. You mid-europeans and your aversion to spicy food. :-)

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Juski:

wb laga. seen my post in the forum? big picture

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hashbang:

hmm... apart from the swedes with their weird ammonia 'candy'.

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Neeesat25:

What is the forum that you are using?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

hashbang: best candy ever! (us danes have a lot of that too)

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** hashbang shudders. **

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hashbang:

I need to try some, actually, just so I can say I have.

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RaYmAn-Bx:

lol. It's always incredibly fun to give it to foreign visitors without telling them what it is

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RaYmAn-Bx:

and then wait for them to spit it out and shout eww

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hashbang:

ammonium chloride, even

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RaYmAn-Bx:

I guess you do really have to have grown up with it to actually like it

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laga:

Juski: yeah, i saw it. i could feel the machine swapping. thanks a lot *grumble*

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hashbang:

RaYmAn-Bx: I was staying with some Germans over the new year. They seemed most disturbed by the idea of a christmas pudding.

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Hoxzer:

http://pastebin.com/679026 <-any idea how to fix this?

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hashbang:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_pudding

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RaYmAn-Bx:

hashbang: that doesn't exactly taste good though (my gf is english)

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hashbang:

see?

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** hashbang shrugs. **

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RaYmAn-Bx:

heh

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hashbang:

"I guess you do really have to have grown up with it to actually like it"

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RaYmAn-Bx:

indeed

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Neeesat25:

What is the forum for mythTV?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

on the other hand..I haven't actually met any UK people who liked it either =P (met as in real world)

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ivor:

Merlin83b2: btw what are you problems with the svideo out?

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laga:

Neeesat25: the web-based one? http://www.mythtvtalk.com/ – there also are mailing lists

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Neeesat25:

Thanks man

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Merlin83b2:

ivor: No problems as such, just not as clear as it might be.

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ivor:

have you tweaked it as necessary?

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ivor:

:)

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Merlin83b2:

Oh, there's tweaking to be done?

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ivor:

what mode are you using?

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Merlin83b2:

Erm, PAL native res.

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Merlin83b2:

720x576 iirc

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ivor:

the magic "720x576Noscale" modeline?

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Merlin83b2:

That's the one

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Hoxzer:

is there any so called "stable" SVN version of mythtv?

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stuarta:

Hoxzer: depends what day of the week you ask :)

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Merlin83b2:

0.19-fixes, Hoxzer.

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Merlin83b2:

Is probably what you want :-)

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Hoxzer:

Merlin83b2: I dunno but doesn't seem very stable to me

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Hoxzer:

backend crashes like once in the cuple of days

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stuarta:

Are you in a position to debug it?

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Merlin83b2:

That's not so good. What version are you using?

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Hoxzer:

stuarta: yeah

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Hoxzer:

http://pastebin.com/679026

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Hoxzer:

here is the logfile after crash

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ivor:

Merlin83b2: and Option "TvDeflicker" "0"

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stuarta:

that doesn't say much

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Hoxzer:

Yeah

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Merlin83b2:

I think so ivor. If I could log in to home right now I'd check.

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ivor:

Merlin83b2: worth checking tonight.

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Merlin83b2:

Will do – anything else to look for?

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ivor:

With those settings you should be getting pretty much the best that svideo is capable of.

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stuarta:

interested in backtraces when it crashes.

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ivor:

unless there's some sort of problem with saturation or luma being too bright for your screen.

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Merlin83b2:

I'll check them later but I do think I may just be as good as S video can give.

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mythabuser:

what is the command to see what version mythtv is installed?

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Merlin83b2:

40" screen shows up poor quality pretty well.

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stuarta:

Hozxer: you will need to build myth with debug enabled and run it under gdb till it dies.

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DaSkreech:

Is there a recommended book for MythTV?

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Merlin83b2:

No, DaSkreech. All online stuff.

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DaSkreech:

no one has written a book .. thats strange

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DaSkreech:

It's written in c++?

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Merlin83b2:

It is.

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DaSkreech:

Hmm Ok

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Merlin83b2:

It's also changing rather too rapidly for a book to be of any use.

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DaSkreech:

Hmm Ok

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DaSkreech:

It's GPLed?

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Merlin83b2:

I believe so. Didn't look what license but it's certainly open source.

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DaSkreech:

Hm

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DaSkreech:

I'm trying to figure out if it would be possible to have a credit line solution on the backend

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Merlin83b2:

I don't know what that is.

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DaSkreech:

Well imagine a bar type place with personal screens. MythTV keeps recorded shows and sports games on the backend and people can pay to watch shows and replays etc

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DaSkreech:

So they buy a credit line and then queue up shows. Sort of like a video jukebox

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DaSkreech:

Or if they like they can sit and watch regular TV through it

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Merlin83b2:

I suppose it could be done with a bit of hacking.

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DaSkreech:

Would that be a question for #mythtv?

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Merlin83b2:

If you want to talk about the specific coding needed in a you're doing it kind of way, I guess so.

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Merlin83b2:

However I would suspect the coding is the least of your concerns.

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DaSkreech:

Well yeah I would be doing it I just need to know first of all of the breakdown allows it to be done

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DaSkreech:

Ah?

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DaSkreech:

What would be?

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Merlin83b2:

Well you have the backed and several frontends, that part's easy.

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Merlin83b2:

How you do the billing etc. is down to you – I can't see anyone wanting to take that coding on as they wouldn't get to use it.

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DaSkreech:

Yeah still sorting out that system :-) but first need to make sure that it's technically feasible

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Hoxzer:

have you guys noticed that sime tastes very much like munkki?

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DaSkreech:

Without taking a year

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Merlin83b2:

Technically the infrastructure apart from the billing is there, I guess.

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DaSkreech:

Cool

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Juski:

ivor: regarding svideo out – what's the cause of the herringbone interference seen on saturated colours on the EPIA boards? that's something else I was going to look at, at work with all our video test gear

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Juski:

btw I've tried all the various de-flicker options, to no avail. doesn't crop up often. could even be my tv to blame

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Hoxzer:

Guys... how about if frontend wont get a connection to the backend and killall mythbackend doens't work?

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Hoxzer:

is there any way to shutdown mythbackend?

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Juski:

but judging by things I've seen on the net, the 'interference' is common to all EPIA svideo outputs, hence my wanting to look at making a proper SCART output for the board ;-)

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Juski:

sod it I'll just buy some BC848 transistors & build a cable

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mythabuser:

i upgraded to 19, but some of my screens are still cut off. is there any way to fix this?

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stuarta:

Hoxzer: kill -9

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Merlin83b2:

Juski: That the vga->scart thing?

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stuarta:

a product of Juski Industries (TM)

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Juski:

Merlin83b2: that'd be the one

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Merlin83b2:

Let me know how you get on. If it works for you I may well do the same.

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Juski:

if I manage to get one working I'll bring a couple to the lugradio gig with me

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Juski:

do a pints for cable swap shop :-)

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Juski:

in other news: I've got some small PCBs with IR receivers on them

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Merlin83b2:

Lugradio thing in wolverhampton?

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Juski:

Merlin83b2: that's the one

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Juski:

it's getting close now. I'll have to start pulling out digits soon

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Hoxzer:

:D

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Juski:

close? oops... nearer I mean

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Juski:

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ivor:

Juski: you'll always get some interference on s-video by the nature of the connection. guess it depends what you're seeing and what you mean by interference.

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stuarta:

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ivor:

Juski: naturally rgb scart will always be better.

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Juski:

ivor: I mean, line diagnonal lines just visible on saturated colours – most visible on music shows where they have strong coloured lighting

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ivor:

hmm, never noticed, be interesting to try to reproduce.

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Juski:

ivor: the technical term would be something like chroma/luma crosstalk

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Juski:

it's not the scart socket on the TV either – or the cable

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Juski:

I know what dot crawl is, and it ain't that

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ivor:

:)

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ivor:

it'd be interesting to try to reproduce, because there are luma and chroma filters on the vt1622 that can be tuned.

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Juski:

really?

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ivor:

yup

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Juski:

never got that far into the datasheet

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Juski:

maybe they're set for an NTSC signal when it's outputting PAL

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ivor:

if you can get a still image that highlights the problem that would be good.

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ivor:

btw 17.20... and you haven't gone home yet?

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Juski:

easy. I'll take a grab of wossy

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Juski:

10 mins left

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ivor:

:)

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Juski:

it might even be the chroma channel buffer being overdriven

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Juski:

hmmm... I think I need to put someone's test utility into my minimyth image

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Juski:

then I can fiddle with register settings (I hope)

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ivor:

Juski: I've got some code that lets you tweak the regs I'll tidy it up and throw it over.

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Juski:

just out of interest which mode do you put the tv encoder into? there doesn't seem to be one for 720x576

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Juski:

(going by the table in the vt1622 datasheet I mean)

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ivor:

Juski: the datasheet is shit.

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ivor:

the mode isn't on it.

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Juski:

ahhh

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Juski:

lol

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Juski:

why am I not surprised?

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Juski:

I take it that the one we

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ivor:

if you want a real laugh, take a look at where it describes how to calculate the PLL value.

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Juski:

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ivor:

I can't answer that.

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ivor:

:)

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Juski:

you know – the patterns I see might even be chroma/luma crosstalk

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Juski:

might experiment by making some test mpegs

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Juski:

use solid, flat fields

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ivor:

that would be really helpful.

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Juski:

(and easy)

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Juski:

actually my DVE disk looked fantastic apart from blues looking fuzzy

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Juski:

wait a minute

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Juski:

blue is a higher frequency chroma

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Juski:

something to think about in the car...

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Juski:

time to go

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Juski:

cheers ivor :-)

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ivor:

later.

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fdsd:

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crash-x:

lol wtf is wrong with you fdsd ?

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fdsd:

crash-x, ?

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crash-x:

of course _apples's_ laptop is shipped with _apple's_ operating system and not with the os of the competitor

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crash-x:

but you can install win xp on it

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fdsd:

crash-x, then why do they say it runs windows?

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fdsd:

oh

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crash-x:

it can run windows

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crash-x:

as it can run linux

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fdsd:

does it come with it for free/

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fdsd:

?

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crash-x:

lol shit no

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fdsd:

oh

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fdsd:

so they expect people to buy windows?

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crash-x:

no

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kormoc:

yes

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fdsd:

all other laptops come with it

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crash-x:

most people download it

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fdsd:

oh

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kormoc:

if you want to run windows on a apple laptop, they expect you to buy it

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fdsd:

oh

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kormoc:

crash-x, no speaking of warez in here.

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fdsd:

apple laptops use a different OS?

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crash-x:

well yeah, but they hope you download it

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crash-x:

;)

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crash-x:

yes

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kormoc:

fdsd, yes, it uses apple's os

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crash-x:

mac os x

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fdsd:

ah

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fdsd:

I thought macosx was software on top of windows

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fdsd:

like Media center

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crash-x:

http://www.apple.com/macosx/

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kormoc:

nope, completely a new os

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crash-x:

os x is much better than windows

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crash-x:

really ;)

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crash-x:

bbl

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kormoc:

I like linux more then osx myself, but lots of people love osx

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Zider:

anything is better than windows, evern crappy macosx ;P

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dtm:

fdsd: you have got to be trolling.

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dtm:

he says this

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dtm:

12:33 < fdsd> does anyone know if the macbook pro is using Macosx or does it

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dtm:

ship with windows?

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dtm:

and then says he thought macos is a windows app.

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frederikfdvp:

hi everyone

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frederikfdvp:

mythtv is working great on my desktop :)

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frederikfdvp:

but when i try mythfronted on my laptop , it says could not open /Mnt/store......mpg

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clintar:

anyone here have working firewire?

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dtm:

unless i'm yet again underestimating the sheer, world-destroying power of absolute stupidity

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clintar:

in particular i've read about some possible fixes with firewire making it not screw up the mpeg stream anymore in the fixes tree and wondering if anyone has tried it

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frederikfdvp:

anyone ?

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dtm:

frederikfdvp: oh even me?

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dtm:

frederikfdvp: you've opened up negotiations across the board, have you?

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frederikfdvp:

?

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dtm:

i'm glad to see that irc users can finally drop their prejudice... long gone are the days when people ask for help only from people whose nick starts with the same letter

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dtm:

or only from the last person who spoke

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clintar:

spam spam spam spam

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kormoc:

frederikfdvp, he's just being difficult for the sheer pleasure of it

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dtm:

nothing difficult about it

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Coume:

evening

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clintar:

myth isn't going to do subreleases anymore, is it, like 0.19.1?

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clintar:

it's all in the svn fixes branch, right?

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GreyFoxx:

fixes becomes a "release" only if there are real showstopper bugs fixed in it

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clintar:

i don't think anyone uses the firewire connection on cable boxes, 'cause it pretty much doesn't work in 0.19

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** Kazan barfs **

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Kazan:

anyone in here know how to debug problems with X Font Server?

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clintar:

dunno what determines showstopper, though. something like nothing works at all i guess.

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xris:

clintar: works fine for me — I'm pretty sure that nothing of that sort has been touched in svn since .19 came out

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xris:

SlicerDicer: you using svn or .19?

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xris:

clintar: fixes branch *is* .19.1 (or rather, will be when it's released)

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xris:

SlicerDicer: actually was going to ask you something else about that stuff... mchou mentioned that the dvr box comes with two tuners (duh) so we were wondering if you had access to both of them via firewire.

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clintar:

xris: so you are saying firewire record/playback works fine in 0.19 for you? you don't get the screwed up mpeg?

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xris:

clintar: I'm using svn, but it works perfectly

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clintar:

ok, that's what i wanted to know

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xris:

screwed-up mpeg sounds like encryption

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clintar:

i'll have to upgrade

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clintar:

no, not encrypted

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clintar:

that doesn't work at all

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Kazan:

atrpms is officially on my shitlist

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clintar:

it would just behave like part of the mpeg stream dropped out for a bit and give screwed up decompression

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xris:

Kazan: welcome to the club (well, not my shitlist exactly, just my "avoid at all cost" list)

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xris:

clintar: check with SlicerDicer first — he may be running .19, and I know he has like 3 firewire connections set up daisy chained.

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** xris pokes SlicerDicer **

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clintar:

recording from firewire?

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xris:

yes

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clintar:

heh, so he got 3 cable boxes?

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xris:

at least

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kormoc:

slicer won't be up for like a hour or so

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xris:

ahh

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kormoc:

lazy bum :P

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xris:

lazy unemployed bum.

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Kazan:

xris: atrpms just broke my work machine (Because i hadn't got around to disabling it on it yet)

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gardengnome:

lazy unemployed bum with three cable boxen? ;)

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clintar:

guess i'll try to make svn ebuild for the fixes

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Kazan:

xris: now i have to surgically remove the xorg-x11 packages and reinstall them with the last good version (atrpms now toasted on my repo list)

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xris:

Kazan: that's my main issue with atrpms — axel tends to replace core packages that he sees as incomplete/broken/whatever.

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Kazan:

and breaks them

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Kazan:

i was going to probably be here past 9 pm several nights already

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Kazan:

and now i have to fix broken packages because of his dumbassititude

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gardengnome:

!trout Coume

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** MythLogBot slaps Coume with a trout on behalf of gardengnome... **

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kormoc:

it's conversations like that that make me extra glad to run gentoo :)

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Kazan:

same thing could happen on gentoo

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Kazan:

it wasn't the official repositories that broke crap

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Kazan:

it was ATrpms

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Kazan:

which i will never use again

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Kazan:

and i will tell everyone i know not to use it

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kormoc:

sure, but it's easier to roll back with gentoo. echo "=package" >> /etc/portage/package.mash && emerge -u world and you're done

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Kazan:

if i enable rpm rollbacks it's easier too

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Kazan:

but it's not a feature that's enabled by default (disk space for the logs)

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** kormoc shrugs. **

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xris:

that reminds me that I still need to email matthias at freshrpms about adding a couple of the missing packages needed by mythtv that currently only atrpms carries.

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Kazan:

yeah

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Kazan:

get em in freshrpms

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Kazan:

or even better yet: livna

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xris:

livna won't

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xris:

I'm as pissed at livna as I am at atrpms at the moment.

[18:35:14]

xris:

maybe more so. at least axel knows how to build packages.

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Kazan:

what did livna do?

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** Kazan has never had a problem with livna **

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xris:

crippled packages

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Kazan:

oh?

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xris:

they won't touch anything patent-encumbered

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Kazan:

wtf

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Kazan:

ummm

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Kazan:

that doesn't make sense

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xris:

no, it doesn't.. since they have some stuff that is

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Kazan:

rpm.livna.org provides many useful packages that can not be distributed in Fedora Core or Fedora Extras for one reason or another, including multimedia applications such as xine and VideoLanClient, and video drivers for ATI and Nvidia cards.

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xris:

like the nvidia drivers.

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Kazan:

aye

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Kazan:

nvidia and ATI drivers

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frederikfdvp:

hi

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xris:

but can't even get them to host ivtv, which is completely open source

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frederikfdvp:

i have a mythtbackend on my desktop and mythfronted on my laptop

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** Kazan shrugs, that's why i compile most things when i have doubts about the repo **

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Kazan:

xris ok... wtf

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** Kazan thinks it's time we start our own repo **

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xris:

Kazan: that's what rpmforge was supposed to be all about... all of the third-party people working together.

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frederikfdvp:

i have run mythtvsetup on my laptop , and configured it , but when i wanna watch tv i get cannot open /mnt/store/file...mpg

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xris:

but a war developed between axel, anvil + warren, dag and matthias

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Kazan:

ah

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xris:

too many stubborn people.

[18:37:43]

Kazan:

maybe because they're all idiots in their own ways? :P

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xris:

it made me switch to ubuntu, but then ubuntu drove me nuts that I switched back

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Kazan:

grr fixed x.. now kdeinit doesn't want to go

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Kazan:

ubuntu made me barf

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xris:

I didn't mind it that much... but rpm is a *much* better package format than deb is when it comes to building them.

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Juski:

evening

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stuarta:

evening juski

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xris:

Juski: get a real timezone. ;)

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gardengnome:

xris: c'mon, you're annoyed because you can't have a drink yet. :)

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Merlin83b:

Evening, Juski.

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frederikfdvp:

anyone know what the problem could be

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Juski:

having a relaxing night tonight

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Merlin83b:

How much more real do you get than the place everything else is defined with reference to, xris :-P

[18:39:59]

Juski:

a night off the tiles :-P

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xris:

gardengnome: I'm more upset that I live in the US.

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Juski:

awww bless you xris

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gardengnome:

xris: uh, move to canada?

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** xris cranks up the .be music **

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xris:

gardengnome: would rather be in spain. :)

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** gardengnome cranks up the .us music **

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gardengnome:

xris: guay!

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Juski:

belgian techno? I hope not

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xris:

Juski: nah.. group called Urban Trad

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xris:

preferably eastern spain closed to the italian border... more vegetarian-friendly food that way.

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Kazan:

can i be mad that atrpms fucked up my machine? :P

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a1fa:

hi

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xris:

but without the horrific italian dmca-alike laws

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Juski:

actually you can be into any music you like & I'd forgive you – I couldn't use mythtv without mythweb </suckup>

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frederikfdvp:

anyone?

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kormoc:

Kazan, notice the trend, <insert random 3ed party repo> screwed up your machine.

[18:42:15]

a1fa:

who has that flash player?

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gardengnome:

xris: my parents have just returned from their trip to majorca. they're all tanned :/

[18:42:23]

a1fa:

for mythweb

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kormoc:

a1fa, you mean the one I've been playing with?

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a1fa:

yes

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Kazan:

kormoc: only time i've had a problem

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gardengnome:

Juski: you've got something brown stuck on your nose

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Kazan:

kormoc: i no longer use atrpms on new machines, now he's totally banninated

[18:42:52]

a1fa:

kormoc : is there any encoding needed or it is done on the fly?

[18:42:56]

kormoc:

a1fa, that one that's not done and won't be for a bit of time?

[18:43:04]

kormoc:

a1fa, it should be done on the fly

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a1fa:

kormoc : sweet

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a1fa:

url please ;P

[18:43:19]

xris:

a1fa: it's not even to that point yet

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kormoc:

but it needs a decently hefty proc

[18:43:32]

a1fa:

kormoc : we also need to figure out how to send urls to xbox xbmc

[18:43:34]

kormoc:

a1fa, like I said, the one that's not done and whon't be for a bit of time.

[18:43:45]

kormoc:

a1fa, xbox can't play FLV I don't beleive

[18:43:55]

a1fa:

well not flv, but mpeg, yes

[18:44:07]

a1fa:

we need to integrate their ajax script

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a1fa:

that sends urls to xbmc

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kormoc:

I'm not playing with mpeg encoidng on demand, I've been playing with FLV encoding on demand

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xris:

a1fa: flashvideo isn't mpeg

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a1fa:

xris : i know..

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a1fa:

xris : i am also talking about the mpeg part

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kormoc:

a1fa, and it's not going to be full res or full framerate

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xris:

I'll eventually get something like mythstreamtv integrated natively into nuvexport, though

[18:45:22]

kormoc:

a1fa, 320x240x15 fps is about the defaults I'm thinking of going with for my 2.4 ghz p4 webserver

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frederikfdvp:

pls,can someone tell me what it could be , on my laptop when i run mythfronted live tv , i get in the console : could not open file /mnt/store/...file...mpg

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kormoc:

frederikfdvp, short answer, noone knows offhand...

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a1fa:

kormoc : of course not ;P

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xris:

frederikfdvp: mythtv-setup and configure the video directory. and make sure it's mounted

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awilkins:

Bah, anyone else getting this ; frontend gets just past "Using OpenGL painter" and then drops dead?

[18:46:13]

kormoc:

a1fa, you want quarter res videos on your xbox?

[18:46:23]

kormoc:

awilkins, what videocard/drivers?

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frederikfdvp:

damn , i have to mount the backend /mnt/store on my laptop ?

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a1fa:

kormoc : not with mpeg, no

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** a1fa installs mythstreamtv **

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awilkins:

kormoc: nvidia onboard GF2, .7667 version

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awilkins:

kormoc: They've worked perfectly up 'til now, but I fear I have b0rked something.

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a1fa:

will they merge mythstreamtv?

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kormoc:

awilkins, yeah, might want to a. test 3d accell with glxgears, and b. run the frontend in a more verbose debug mode

[18:48:04]

xris:

a1fa: no, mythstreamtv is imho pretty crappy code.

[18:48:27]

Kazan:

mythstreamtv is trash unfortunately :/

[18:48:38]

awilkins:

xris: I'm sure everyone asked this already ; any chance that your perl stream module will seek in streams any time soon :-)

[18:48:39]

a1fa:

really?

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xris:

plus I've added a bunch of code that'll let me work around the need for vlc.. will use ffmpeg

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a1fa:

its not worth using it?

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xris:

awilkins: as soon as someone tells me how to do it

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Kazan:

hey xris

[18:49:03]

xris:

it's not really streaming at the moment other than spitting out data

[18:49:20]

Kazan:

i'm getting an unresolved external in the kde libs

[18:49:29]

Kazan:

but... it doesn't make sense that i am doing so

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awilkins:

xris: Maybe some poking around in the mplayer sources ...... *downloads*

[18:50:51]

xris:

awilkins: it's probably a simple GET parameter or something.. problem is, if it requests a timestamp or frame instead of bytes, I won't be able to do anything about it.

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a1fa:

xris : are you running mythstramtv?

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xris:

no

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a1fa:

why not

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a1fa:

poor code?

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xris:

because the author hasn't updated it to work with svn

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xris:

and I want to keep my mythweb tree clean so I don't accidentally commit code that doesn't belong

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a1fa:

cool

[18:53:18]

a1fa:

valid concern

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a1fa:

mofo needs to merge that

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a1fa:

so people can fix his code ;)

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xris:

I'd rather code a better solution. vlc is a horrible dependency to require

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xris:

anyway, afk for lunch.. later.

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a1fa:

xris : k

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Juski:

any news on how mytharchive is progressing?

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a1fa:

what is that

[18:55:58]

Juski:

what mythburn might turn into

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a1fa:

Tuesday, December 6th, 2005

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a1fa:

Myth2ipod – A script you can add to your job queue to create feeds for your ipod.

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a1fa:

woot

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a1fa:

:P

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a1fa:

respek' anyone?

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a1fa:

myth2ipod

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a1fa:

r

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Juski:

be nice to see that come out & not depend on projectx and mjpegtools

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Merlin83b:

Then we just all have to go out and buy video ipods :-)

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Juski:

ipod... pah!

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Juski:

ipoo more like

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Juski:

okay for people who use public transport I suppose

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Juski:

I mean those who _can_

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a1fa:

i am buying an ipod

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a1fa:

today

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a1fa:

just bcos of this script

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a1fa:

:)

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a1fa:

woooooooot

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a1fa:

;P

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awilkins:

I just copy them onto my laptop

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possie:

does mythtv have a OSX frontend?

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awilkins:

yes

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Juski:

does the pope s*** in the woods?

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possie:

i can't find it on the mythtv.org website

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Juski:

checka da wicky wicky wah

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Merlin83b:

possie: It's the same as the normal frontend, you just have to build it on OSX.

[19:00:22]

Merlin83b:

(I think...)

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awilkins:

possie: grab the sources and build it ; you have a subversion client?

[19:00:38]

possie:

awilkins, yes i have

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Juski:

there's peeps out there trying to build mythbackend for OSX (!)

[19:00:50]

possie:

awilkins, but does it run native cocoa then?

[19:01:08]

awilkins:

possie: I don't know, I'm running it on Linux...

[19:01:19]

possie:

awilkins, then how do you know it runs on osx? :-)

[19:01:32]

Merlin83b:

Juski: A Mac Mini as a combined be/fe would be okay by me :-)

[19:01:37]

awilkins:

possie: Because I see people fixing the osx build scripts all the time.

[19:01:49]

Juski:

well, just say that the lead developer has a mac mini FE

[19:02:21]

Juski:

so I heard anyway...

[19:02:44]

stuarta:

Merlin83b: faster at compiling than you epia? :)

[19:02:55]

Merlin83b:

Undoubtedly!

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Merlin83b:

Need to have it back up and running to record at 9 – limited development slot, this one!

[19:03:29]

Juski:

buzzcocks?

[19:03:32]

Merlin83b:

Sharpe

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Juski:

ah. Huey was presenting last week – hilarious

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possie:

awilkins, i do need the svn source though?

[19:04:01]

Merlin83b:

Didn't know a new series had started – will have to watch it.

[19:04:07]

Juski:

possie: no you can use 0.19-fixes

[19:04:14]

Merlin83b:

possie: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac – read up there.

[19:06:44]

a1fa:

120 GB HD for $69

[19:06:47]

a1fa:

120 GB HD for $60

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a1fa:

cheap

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a1fa:

ide7.2k

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Merlin83b:

And falling, fast!

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Juski:

and soon.. 750GB for... £0.00

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Juski:

:-D

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Merlin83b:

lol

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Juski:

almost worth buying a sata controller at that price

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awilkins:

xris: On first reading of the mplayer docs, it appears to use a bps-based seek algorithm for AVI. Thinking about it, it can seek using HTTP, so it must be using byte offsets ; apache isn't brainy enough to timecode mpg files.

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arc4dies:

sigh

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slight:

can anyone tell me what protocol version mythtv 18.1 uses?

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blafd:

ok

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blafd:

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.as . . . uctID=196756

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blafd:

what do you guys reckon?

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awilkins:

No idea. I'm using the Hauppauge ones. I've got one PCI and two USB 2.0 boxes.

[19:16:27]

awilkins:

But this one has analogue capture too....

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awilkins:

Ooooo.

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blafd:

hm i have a usb dvb-t but its lost the plot.. kind put me off usb now

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awilkins:

blafd: is it a USB 1.1 device?

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blafd:

nope

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blafd:

2.0

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awilkins:

Hmm. I was having real trouble with a DEC2000-t (USB 1.1)

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Juski:

blafd: sure that pci card has video inputs, but it'd only be software encoding capture, and you can't use the DVB bit at the same time

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awilkins:

awilkins: Was really stretching the bandwidth, esp. on the high quality streams the BBC are putting out.

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blafd:

Juski arrrhh

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blafd:

retched barnicals

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Juski:

blafd: unless you want to record a cable or satellite ($ky) box, you shouldn't be caring about analogue anyway

[19:19:21]

blafd:

yeah i dont its just allot cheaper then the cards available from local crack head retails maplin and pcworld

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Juski:

try ebay

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Juski:

I didn't pay more than £25 for my DVB-T cards – all work brilliantly

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blafd:

ok thats good to hear

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Juski:

last one was £12 including shipping!!

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blafd:

havnt crused the ebay iles for a while

[19:20:24]

Juski:

bought it from a college lecturer who never got it to work in his mythbox

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BBlinkk:

i cannot get channels higher than 60 on my tuner... i was told If the tuner module for your card is close but not exactly right you can see things like that. .... how do i check which module i have?

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Juski:

BBlinkk: experiment with different ones. sometimes they're not autodetected properly

[19:22:01]

Juski:

you could always look on the can

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xris:

awilkins: like I said, if you can figure it out, I can make it happen on the raw files. no idea how to deal with streaming transcoded files since that'd be happening on the fly

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BBlinkk:

Juski: this is a really dumb question, but how do i change the module, or see which ones are available?

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awilkins:

xris: Looks like a partial GET ; the byte offset appears to be the amount of file LEFT (those crazy HTTP guys)... I can paste you a few lines of my apache access_log?

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Juski:

BBlinkk: if you're talking about v4l devices, try the v4l wiki

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BBlinkk:

its my pvr-150, so i guess that would be v4l

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Juski:

no that'd be ivtv

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Juski:

so try www.ivtvdriver.org

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xris:

awilkins: create a ticket or I'll lose the info (mention that I told you to so someone doesn't close it)

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awilkins:

xris: roger that

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BBlinkk:

looks like ivtvdriver.org is down

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cliffd:

I bought the asus a8n-vm CMS board with an nvidia 6150, any idea how to find out if this can do DVI out – to component before I buy the cables or another video card?

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a1fa:

i wonder why does it take so much to convert from mpg2 to mp4

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** Kazan farts in axel (atrpms) general direction **

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meushi:

Kazan: don't forget to tell him to go away before you taunt him again

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stuarta:

and tell him his mother was a hamster...

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Kazan:

:D

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stuarta:

and his father smelt of elderberries :)

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Coume:

OMG, I'm watching Channel 4 about "Britain's Yobs" and it is like bad part of suburbs in France...

[19:45:13]

gardengnome:

people setting cars on fire?

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Coume:

more kind of drunk 14 y.o. groups fighting someone,

[19:46:16]

Coume:

damaging houses and making a mess

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stuarta:

they need to bring back stocks in town centres

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gardengnome:

that reminds me of my childhood :)

[19:47:22]

stuarta:

the stocks or the drinking?

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Coume:

stuarta, stocks? what is that?

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gardengnome:

stuarta: uh, drinking

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xris:

Coume: the thing that holds your head/hands at an odd bent-down angle

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stuarta:

lookup medaevel torture....

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xris:

lock you in there to humiliate/torture you for doing something wrong.

[19:49:18]

stuarta:

best thing is people in the village came and threw rotten tomatoes etc at you.. kick you up the arse...

[19:49:37]

Coume:

erm, I learnt a new word :) thxs xris and stuarta ... will have to say it at lunch tomorrow :)

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stuarta:

s/medaevel/medaevil/

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gardengnome:

stuarta: i'm afraid medaevil is still wrong

[19:50:09]

stuarta:

yeah, didn't look right.

[19:50:23]

gardengnome:

mediaeval*

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stuarta:

i was good at spelling once....

[19:50:42]

gardengnome:

or medieval for our yanks

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gardengnome:

stuarta: umm, i looked it up ;)

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xris:

Coume: actually, I'm wrong.. had stocks and pillory mixed up.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stocks

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JoeyJoeJo:

in which table of the DB does mythtv store your videos? not the recordings, but the videos from watch videos

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stuarta:

i was calling pillory's stock's as well

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Anduin:

JoeyJoeJo: videometadaa

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Anduin:

less typos

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gardengnome:

"Hence the stocks can be seen as a portable version of the pillory. "

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** gardengnome hums the intel jingle **

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JoeyJoeJo:

thanks

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stuarta:

who cares. public humiliation for arseholes is a good thing...

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xris:

gardengnome: yeah, it also says that people often mix them up...

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gardengnome:

xris: yep

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xris:

I also remember there being something about a sharp bench to sit on.. like a single 2x4 board on end.

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Coume:

same here... my French mind was translation stocks in a pillory image

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Coume:

eheh

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Coume:

s/translation/translating

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clintar:

this sure is confusing to us yanks

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xris:

?

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gardengnome:

what, british spellings?

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clintar:

mediaeval sure seems like something more modern

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xris:

oh, the æ character

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** xris is happy he finally figured out how to type £ and € **

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cliffd:

my video card has DVI-D out, can that be converted to component for an SD-TV ?

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xris:

cliffd: not unless your video card has a component adapter

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xris:

or you want to spend more than it'd cost to just get a card that does.

[20:05:44]

cliffd:

xris: I found a dvi-component adapter cable for 25 bucks

[20:05:48]

cliffd:

that wont work?

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cliffd:

because dvi-d is digital only?

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xris:

cliffd: might end up being high-def component. dunno, never heard of that.

[20:06:55]

cliffd:

ok thanks.

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xris:

most video cards these days have svideo/composite ports on them these days... component isn't THAT much better for SD stuff...

[20:09:39]

cliffd:

ok, because I was told that if you had an hdtv out compatible card with that special nvidia 10 pin svideo out connector you could use that with special component adapter

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xris:

cliffd: yeah. that depends on the card.. the svideo-like plug on the card isn't s-video but just a bunch of the necessary wires in a DIN style plug that connects to a breakout box...

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cliffd:

xris: can you use that plug for component out to SDtv?

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xris:

no, you don't use that plug for ANYTHING without an adapter

[20:14:34]

xris:

my adapter has component, svideo and composite plugs on it

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xris:

awilkins: looks from the logs like the info is in the request header, not the URL

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cliffd:

xris: nvidia makes an adapter that goes from that plug to component out.

[20:15:38]

cliffd:

is that what you are talking about?

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awilkins:

xris: Yeah, looks like that ; I think mplayer is responding to the response header as well by determining whether it can seek by reading the Content-Range header.

[20:16:55]

xris:

cliffd: yes. usually the adapter comes with the video card, though

[20:17:06]

xris:

awilkins: it'll be awhile before I have much time to deal with it, but at least I have a starting point

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cliffd:

yeah It does sorry.

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awilkins:

xris: If perl wasn't witchcraft and mummery to me, I'd have a go myself :-)

[20:17:52]

xris:

perl's not that bad! heh.

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cliffd:

so in general If i have just a "dumb" adapter, I still wont be able to go from DVI-D to component ?

[20:18:23]

xris:

cliffd: no clue what that $25 one does... I don't think you could, though... component is analog.

[20:18:37]

cliffd:

ok thanks

[20:18:51]

xris:

there would have to be some kind of chipset in the adapter for it to work properly, even if it was vga->component

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blafd:

HmmMMM

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blafd:

I just had my tuner running really well

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cliffd:

well it has tv-out

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blafd:

but then when i changed to a channel i couldnt get BBCi it segs the driver

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cliffd:

but I cant find out if its hdtv or just "tv"

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xris:

cliffd: hdtv is either component, dvi or hdmi

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xris:

for video cards, that's usually limited to dvi

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bammers:

hi – can anyone help with channels?

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cliffd:

xris: ok thanks.

[20:27:46]

xris:

bammers: I like scifi and foodnetwork... (aka, just ask the question)

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bammers:

when I run mythfilldatabase it populates the EPG with lots of channel info. However, when I do a channel scan I get a few channels with names like "E26" and "37". These are the 'real' channels. How do I associate these with their equivalents returned by mythfilldatabase?

[20:29:23]

Kazan:

don't use both functions AFAIK

[20:29:39]

Kazan:

i had problems when i used both

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Kazan:

had to blank it and rely on my datadirect info

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Kazan:

worked perfectly then

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bammers:

O...K... will try that. So I will not do the channel scan – just mythfilldatabase?

[20:30:24]

Kazan:

aye

[20:30:28]

Kazan:

blank your channels first

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bammers:

grand

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bammers:

thanks

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bammers:

by deleting from mysql?

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Kazan:

there is a button in mythtv-setup for doing it

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bammers:

OK

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awilkins:

I think I may have pinned down my "frontend just dies" problem (very annoying for me as frontend is started by an endless loop script so that it just reboots when it crashes). I think I rebuilt the frontend using a newer GCC but not the plugins. This is causing a segfault. At least, I hope that's what it is, or I'm fresh out of clue.....

[20:33:21]

Dibblah_:

Wooo. Soldering SO14s is _so_ easy after QFPs...

[20:33:45]

Kazan:

?

[20:34:22]

Dibblah_:

Oh dear. Must make this Myth related. Backups are good. Therefore I'm building a backup server from 'bits' lying about. It's quite entertaining.

[20:34:37]

Juski:

Dibblah: try soldering 0402 resistors

[20:35:25]

Dibblah_:

Compaq Proliant ML310 motherboard, 1820A 8xSATA adapter, standard small ATX case, some woodwork, 9x200Gb drives, 500W PSU...

[20:35:39]

Kazan:

NINE 200gb drives?

[20:35:57]

awilkins:

That's a lot of platen.

[20:36:01]

gardengnome:

9x200gb? is it amateur night again?

[20:36:11]

Kazan:

amateur?

[20:36:15]

Kazan:

what you got 20?

[20:36:17]

Dibblah_:

Stupid Compaq trying to make money on power supplies. 3.3v logic. Means that the motherboard can't switch on / off the PSU.

[20:36:21]

gardengnome:

heh, just kidding ;)

[20:36:24]

Kazan:

your number of hard drives is not your epeener size in inches :D

[20:36:27]

Dibblah_:

That's only the backup server.

[20:36:39]

Dibblah_:

8x 300Gb in the main media server.

[20:36:42]

** awilkins crosses fingers. **

[20:36:43]

Kazan:

jeebus

[20:36:54]

Kazan:

you spent more on harddrives than i did on my entire mythbox :P

[20:37:11]

** Kazan is just a 22 year old on his first real job with his fiancee still in school though **

[20:37:21]

** awilkins releases pent up tension (no, not that way, you pervs). **

[20:37:43]

awilkins:

I thought 2 * 300GB drives was a lot of space....

[20:38:02]

Dibblah_:

It is. Until you raid10 it.

[20:38:13]

awilkins:

I only have a fe/be box under the telly

[20:38:21]

awilkins:

No RAID

[20:38:33]

awilkins:

I just figure that TV is not strictly crucial data.

[20:38:57]

gardengnome:

Kazan: 22y/o with a fiancee? gonna ruin your life early, huh? ;)

[20:39:12]

Dibblah_:

It's not crucial – To me.

[20:39:16]

awilkins:

The only economic backup solution is .... another server with more drives.....

[20:39:38]

meushi:

gardengnome: could be worse... 22yo, married and 2 kids already

[20:39:54]

Dibblah_:

I can easily live without the current crop of docusoaps, etc... But SO is _slightly_ more demanding.

[20:39:58]

gardengnome:

meushi: *shudder

[20:40:05]

** meushi shivers at the thought **

[20:40:12]

Dibblah_:

If I lose a corrie, I'm for the high jump.

[20:40:29]

Dibblah_:

Or even (shudders) a Neighbors.

[20:40:30]

Kazan:

gardengnome: ha

[20:40:33]

Dibblah_:

Yes, it's that bad.

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Kazan:

gardengnome: if by "ruin your life" you mean "get laid nightly" then yes

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Kazan:

meushi: you're 22 w/ 2 kids?

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meushi:

Kazan: no, my cousin divorced and had to raise two kids at that age... I'm 32 and married :)

[20:42:03]

Kazan:

meushi: ouch.. married, 2 kids and divorced by 22y/o

[20:42:06]

gardengnome:

Kazan: i do have a GF myself, so you can't make me jealous ;)

[20:42:09]

Kazan:

sad

[20:42:24]

Kazan:

Dibblah_: even if my fiancee was inclinded to watch soap operas i'd prevent them from recording :P

[20:42:28]

meushi:

Kazan: yeah, sorta messed up his plans

[20:42:44]

Kazan:

that's what birth control pills and condoms are for

[20:43:20]

Dibblah_:

Kazan: Nah. Gives me some time to hack on Myth ;)

[20:43:35]

Kazan:

Dibblah_: i hope you have really sound blocking headphones

[20:43:36]

Dibblah_:

Well, it would. If hardware would stop being annoying to me.

[20:43:49]

Kazan:

soap operas.... oui

[20:43:50]

Dibblah_:

Big enough house ;)

[20:43:51]

Kazan:

what trash

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Kazan:

almost as bad as fucking romance novels

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** Kazan used to work at a library when he was in high school **

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Kazan:

we'd always ask if we could burn the romance novels rather then put them back on the shelves

[20:46:06]

awilkins:

Heh, that would make a good feature ; like a schedule rule, but it just refuses to record it....

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gardengnome:

bad GAF :/

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Kazan:

and you can only edit those NFW (No Fucking Way) rules raw at the database

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Kazan:

though that would harm the WAF

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Juski:

WAF? call it 'mythtaste'

[20:49:06]

Kazan:

Wife Acceptance Factor

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gardengnome:

Juski: is that similar to mythrepice?

[20:49:13]

Coume:

night all!

[20:49:14]

gardengnome:

mythrecipe goddammit

[20:49:16]

GiantPickle:

Hello all... can a mythtv-frontend-0.19 connect to a 0.18 backend?

[20:49:22]

kormoc:

GiantPickle, no

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Kazan:

my fiancee doesn't need mythrecipe :D she does fine without recipe books

[20:49:26]

GiantPickle:

kormoc: thanks

[20:49:32]

Juski:

gardengnome: nah – I call it taste when recordings of shite shows fail

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Kazan:

hahah lol juski

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gardengnome:

Juski: heh

[20:50:02]

Kazan:

"Sorry, i guess my mythbox barfed on the suck"

[20:50:03]

kormoc:

we're all doomed if computers start enforcing tastes on us...

[20:51:40]

** awilkins watches Eyes Wide Shut and considers marrying Nicole Kidman's bottom. **

[20:51:55]

Juski:

awilkins: Tom Cruise?

[20:52:01]

awilkins:

Yeah

[20:52:55]

Juski:

so long as the big red book of made up things allowed it, I'm sure Mr Cruise would be fine with that

[20:53:29]

awilkins:

He has no say with Ms Kidman anymore. Maybe he got his recipe for placental surprise from mythrecipe though......

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awilkins:

Disturbingly enough, it's technically the flesh of your newborn child (albeit a part that they aren't using anymore).

[20:54:22]

Dibblah_:

http://www.s2r.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/madcase.jpg

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awilkins:

I like the backplane

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meushi:

Dibblah_: not bad

[20:55:29]

Dibblah_:

Missed out the SO14 74CH14 doing power supply switch 3.3 -> 5v translation duty.

[20:55:32]

Dibblah_:

Backplane?

[20:55:43]

Dibblah_:

Ah. :)

[20:56:05]

gardengnome:

Dibblah_: nice job!

[20:56:13]

Dibblah_:

3x120mm fans at the front blowing over the drives.

[20:56:20]

Dibblah_:

Definitely not cat safe.

[20:56:30]

awilkins:

*slurp* Wrrooooowl!

[20:56:34]

gardengnome:

after a few times, it is...

[20:56:35]

Dibblah_:

You can just see the construction of the "cheap" drive rails.

[20:56:36]

Juski:

mmmm great idea having all those disks mounted like that :-/

[20:57:12]

Juski:

if the side panel is rock solid you'll have issues with vibration shortening the life of the disks

[20:57:22]

Dibblah_:

1 bit of ply, with "rails" cut out with a tablesaw.

[20:57:47]

Dibblah_:

The drives are mounted with standard drive mounting screws, screwed all the way in.

[20:58:05]

kormoc:

Dibblah_, might want to toss on some washers

[20:58:06]

Dibblah_:

So there's enough wiggle room to stop any resonance.

[20:58:34]

awilkins:

What kind of networking you plopping it onto? I can't even play some of the BBC DVB-T streams over my 54g... (largely because the box is on a wireless bridge too, for maximum WAF ; drilling for cables displeases her).

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Dibblah_:

Washers?!?!? You're implying that my construction tolerances aren't good enough.

[20:58:54]

Dibblah_:

Gigabit.

[20:59:13]

Juski:

hahaha wireless schmire-less (again)

[20:59:18]

Dibblah_:

This is the backup server – The media server, slave backend and frontend are in the attic.

[20:59:34]

kormoc:

Dibblah_, if it's tight like you said, the side is gonna vibrate, which is a bad thing

[20:59:57]

awilkins:

It'd be alright if it was just the outgoing traffic..... but it's too much to transmit the stream out and play it back for the poor router.

[21:00:11]

Dibblah_:

I think you may be underestimating the static mass of the disks.

[21:00:19]

Dibblah_:

ie the non-spinning bits.

[21:00:21]

Juski:

the new massive disks are better at coping with vibrations to keep them performing but it's still not good for them

[21:00:55]

Juski:

you might not even be able to _feel_ vibration but when you think that there are thousands of tracks in the width of a human hair...

[21:00:59]

kormoc:

Dibblah_, nah, my 320s can shake my entire case when they really get going, so a few washers and it's all safe and happy

[21:01:14]

Juski:

the right kind of damping can be good

[21:01:34]

Dibblah_:

Well, we'll see. I had 4 failures (out of 9 drives) in the last proper server case.

[21:01:46]

kormoc:

did you have washers there as well? :P

[21:01:55]

Dibblah_:

Thank goodness for Seagate warranties.

[21:02:11]

Juski:

and if you've ever had a disk to bits & you figure how much force is incurred to move the head assembly you know it takes a lot to shift the mass of the head arm quickly

[21:02:31]

** kormoc thinks that if any company gave me 4/9 bad drives, I'd be sorta pissed **

[21:02:35]

Dibblah_:

I've had ~250 drives to dismantle and play with.

[21:02:38]

Juski:

the presentations I've seen from disk manufacturers should be made public – they make fascinating viewing

[21:03:05]

Dibblah_:

Mind you, that was back in 40Mb / 5.25" drives ;)

[21:03:25]

Dibblah_:

Had a 4Mb 8" one. That took an age to spin up.

[21:03:42]

Dibblah_:

Never had a system that supported it, though :)

[21:03:45]

kormoc:

Juski, remember how many foot pounds of force those moters can push?

[21:03:53]

stuarta:

I remember 8inch hard sectored floppy disks :)

[21:04:16]

Juski:

actually – there's a point where stiffness is better than allowing movement – especially if washers etc aren't the right kind

[21:04:37]

kormoc:

well, I think it depends on damping of the material of the case/mount

[21:04:44]

Juski:

kormoc: I can't remember, but the actuator arm is one powerful machine

[21:04:54]

kormoc:

wood doesn't dampen very well iirc

[21:05:00]

kormoc:

plywood might be different

[21:05:22]

Juski:

wood probably has a lower resonant frequency than metal of the same thickness, so might be better

[21:05:28]

Dibblah_:

Wood dampens a damn sight better than thin sheet metal.

[21:05:46]

Dibblah_:

This used to be a $20 case...

[21:06:09]

Juski:

Dibblah_: I agree there. drive cages supplied with most modern PCs just aren't up to the job

[21:06:23]

Juski:

bits of 20 gauge bent tin :-/

[21:06:53]

Dibblah_:

Anyone else seperating the "Frontend" bits from the actual PC?

[21:07:07]

fdsd:

Kore wa Mythtv desk ka?

[21:07:20]

Dibblah_:

Que?

[21:08:22]

fdsd:

desu ka?

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** gardengnome needs more input **

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blafd:

Man

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blafd:

Im recompiling my kernel with Out preempt

[21:14:59]

gardengnome:

stuarta: thanks

[21:15:08]

arcadies:

has anyone got the LATEST xmltv ebuild?

[21:15:12]

arcadies:

or made one for themselves?

[21:15:16]

blafd:

i swear thats the root of alot of evil

[21:15:19]

arcadies:

since its not on gentoo portage tree

[21:15:26]

kormoc:

arcadies, check bugzilla

[21:15:34]

gardengnome:

is xmltv 0.5.43 out?

[21:15:38]

arcadies:

ya

[21:15:46]

gardengnome:

really? awesome.

[21:15:56]

arcadies:

and portage has like 5.3x

[21:15:59]

gardengnome:

darn, and i rolled a svn .deb a few days ago :/

[21:16:03]

arcadies:

its abit out of date

[21:16:04]

arcadies:

;/

[21:16:43]

arcadies:

Your search – xmltv ebuild – did not match any documents.

[21:18:06]

kormoc:

arcadies, http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=95166 5.42...

[21:19:32]

kormoc:

arcadies, and if you just rename the file to .43 it should work fine

[21:19:50]

arcadies:

no u see i NEED the newest one

[21:19:56]

arcadies:

it has tv_grab_za

[21:20:05]

arcadies:

and well thats what i need

[21:20:13]

** kormoc points at what he said **

[21:21:12]

arcadies:

so u want me to dl the ebuild and rename it to .43

[21:21:17]

arcadies:

soz im bign00b+++

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kormoc:

I don't want you to do anything, just stating that that might work

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kormoc:

tho, given .42 has a ZA useflag, I wonder if you really need .43

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gardengnome:

gah. please use portage overlay :)

[21:22:12]

gardengnome:

kormoc: ZA?

[21:22:19]

gardengnome:

oh, never mind ;)

[21:22:22]

** gardengnome opens eyes **

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arcadies:

the one in the portage tree is too old and doesnt have tv_grab_za

[21:22:30]

** kormoc sighs **

[21:22:39]

arcadies:

so how would u say the easiest way to do this would be?

[21:22:44]

arcadies:

:D

[21:23:24]

arcadies:

ill just try use .42

[21:23:28]

arcadies:

and see how it goes

[21:23:30]

arcadies:

:D

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kormoc:

arcadies, http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Installing_3rd_Party_Ebuilds

[21:23:38]

kormoc:

read that on how to use portage overlays

[21:23:45]

arcadies:

ya im kewl with that

[21:23:48]

kormoc:

and yeah, install .42 with the za useflag and see how it goes

[21:24:00]

arcadies:

kewl ill give it a shot

[21:24:22]

awilkins:

I just grab the source package, it installs really easily.

[21:25:16]

kormoc:

might as well keep it in the tree so it's updated automatically imho

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cliffd:

http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/388

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cliffd:

sorry, wrong window, but still good read

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Beakster:

hi, anyone tried mythtv on vectorlinux?

[21:35:40]

Kazan:

i haven't, sorry

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** Kazan uses Fedora Core (4 and 5) **

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Beakster:

or slackware?

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xris:

Beakster: GreyFoxx uses slackware

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Beakster:

what is qmake and where can i get it?

[21:41:30]

kormoc:

google?

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** LLyric tries an alternate tv_grab_au – ahhh, much better, a description **

[21:42:35]

blafd:

ok

[21:42:42]

blafd:

that has made a major difference

[21:42:50]

blafd:

i turned off preempt

[21:43:03]

blafd:

and as soon as my device detected unloaded the usb hub driver

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GreyFoxx:

qmake is partof QT

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blafd:

now the usb box is much happier

[21:44:00]

blafd:

Now its Myth front end having problems

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blafd:

the osd has obsconded

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blafd:

why does the osd disapear when i switch BBCi god damn it?

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eiggirC:

I think this is my ivtv problem

[22:25:12]

eiggirC:

tveeprom 1–0050: tuner model is unknown (idx 105, type 0)

[22:25:25]

eiggirC:

thats on a pvr150 retail version

[22:26:22]

arcadies:

kormoc : well i got it work

[22:26:34]

arcadies:

but now the tv_grab_za is borked

[22:26:35]

arcadies:

lol

[22:26:35]

arcadies:

;/

[22:28:41]

Beakster:

anyone know how to list isa cards in a system?

[22:30:45]

Zider:

Beakster: have you looked in /proc/bus/isa or something?

[22:31:03]

eiggirC:

Zider: nope

[22:31:09]

eiggirC:

Beakster: open it up and look

[22:31:15]

eiggirC:

thats the only reliable way with ISA

[22:31:29]

eiggirC:

isa bus is a bus and doesn't enumerate like PCI

[22:32:00]

Zider:

oki

[22:32:23]

Beakster:

i just got numbers in there

[22:32:45]

Beakster:

i got an isa sound card that cant be found by probing

[22:32:57]

eiggirC:

chuck it and buy a PCI one

[22:33:05]

Zider:

second that

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Beakster:

its integrated

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Zider:

bring out the saw then ;)

[22:33:36]

Beakster:

:'(

[22:33:42]

Beakster:

seems a waste of money

[22:33:53]

Juski:

blafd: delete BBCi unless you're using SVN

[22:33:57]

Zider:

I don't even have isa compiled in the kernel.. been years since I used any isa hw..

[22:34:16]

Juski:

BBCi and other MHEG interactive channels only work with SVN

[22:34:51]

Beakster:

hey, i got a compile error building mythtv

[22:35:05]

eiggirC:

hmmmm – should I upgrade my kernel to 2.6.16 to try and get ivtv 0.6.1 working to make my second tuner work ?

[22:35:11]

eiggirC:

or is that just getting silly?

[22:35:26]

Juski:

eiggirC: what do the ivtv people say?

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blafd:

to my astonishment its working very well Juski

[22:35:35]

eiggirC:

Juski: nothing yet.

[22:35:41]

blafd:

how do i get the guide comming up and stuff?

[22:36:08]

Beakster:

could someone take a look at http://pastebin.ca/51023

[22:36:14]

blafd:

and this svn stuff you mention

[22:36:15]

Beakster:

not sure what im missin

[22:36:23]

Juski:

blafd: are you using SVN?

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Juski:

press M when you're in live TV

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blafd:

hold on

[22:37:01]

blafd:

osd craped out again

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eiggirC:

Beakster: you're missing a library

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eiggirC:

Beakster: a qt library too

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Beakster:

hmm

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Beakster:

i just installed qt

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eiggirC:

Beakster: in debian its in the libqt3-mt and libqt3-mt-dev packages

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blafd:

is it mean to be automatically there Juski?

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blafd:

meant*

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blafd:

cause it just sais (unknown) (unknown) in every channel and timeslot

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Juski:

blafd: then you've not got any programme guide data

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Beakster:

do i need a QTDIR environmental variable?

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blafd:

ok

[22:39:45]

blafd:

we reaching the limitations of this hardware

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blafd:

;)

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blafd:

lol

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Juski:

you need to configure xmltv, or hope for the best with EIT EPG stuff which is currently not as good as it could be

[22:40:14]

blafd:

cant wait to go and swing it round like lasso

[22:40:48]

blafd:

hmm ok i saw the EIT EPG options .. heh it is meant to support it

[22:41:29]

xris:

http://civic.moveon.org/alerts/savetheinternet.html

[22:41:37]

blafd:

i cracked it open earlyer and is the exact right chip inside DibCom3000-M for the driver im using as well

[22:41:55]

blafd:

so im fairly confident this isnt craped out drivers

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Juski:

xris: they've got to be kidding!

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Juski:

blafd: did you import a channels.conf rather than do a scan in mythtv-setup?

[22:43:13]

xris:

Juski: alas, no

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Juski:

fucking ridiculous protectionist yanks!!!

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Juski:

to hell with nuking Iran... washington needs to get it

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blafd:

Juski yeah i imported the channels.conf

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blafd:

one i created with scan

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Juski:

blafd: ahh that'll be why the EIT EPG isn't grabbing the over the air programme guide

[22:44:41]

blafd:

o

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Thrawn:

Hey all. I have a hauppauge wintv-pvr-250. It works great by my channels are off by one. I've found a lot of docs on the problem, but no solution? Channel 2 says NO DATA and channel 3 is channel 2's information, etc. /var/log/dmesg says it detechs the win-pvr card properly, and a mythfilldatabase --do_channel_updates does not fix it. Any hints on an actual solution?

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Thrawn:

by=but

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Juski:

blafd: see this thread: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/199298

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** Juski recommends everybody reads the dev mail list at least once a week to keep on top of stuff ;-) **

[22:46:55]

scopeuk:

how mny sides does that list produce in a week?

[22:47:29]

Juski:

the dev list is pretty much free of lame stuff

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Thrawn:

another strange thing. THe channel names are correct, its just the program information thats wrong

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Juski:

unlike the users list where people ask what colour ram works in mythtv

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scopeuk:

honestly?

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Juski:

ok so I exaggerate. but the users list has a hell of a lot of lame traffic

[22:48:24]

scopeuk:

well thats generaly the sort of abuse its there for

[22:48:32]

scopeuk:

i honestly dont get alogn with mailing lists

[22:48:44]

Ryushin:

Have there been any known issues with 2.6.16.x, PVR-350, and the HD-3000 cards?

[22:48:53]

Juski:

forums are a little better.. and I get to delete stupid questions

[22:49:45]

Juski:

anyway – all you USA living folks – get signing the petition to keep the big cheeses out of our internet.. or we're all fucked

[22:50:14]

Ryushin:

Just wondering since I upgraded svn, kernel, and everything else. IVTV stopped working for a couple of days. Don't know what caused it. I'm going to keep an eye on it though.

[22:50:24]

scopeuk:

hell all us uk folks are too suprise supries dictator ship bush refuese to hand over control of the itnernet to a multinational co operation

[22:50:39]

Juski:

maybe we should all have a whip-round to help protect the cause – I mean those senators aren't gonna give a rats ass unless someone is lining their pockets

[22:50:57]

x30n:

Can someone help me to configure mysql with mythtv? Many tables are not being created

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scopeuk:

"comment sniped to preven nessasery logging of my connection"

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Juski:

x30n: drop the errors you're getting into a pastebin & let folks take a look

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LLyric:

Thrawn: your xmltv source and channel config are missatched

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x30n:

ok

[22:58:54]

LLyric:

Thrawn: each channel has an xmltv channel-id configured – that's where it loads the program information from

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eiggirC:

Beakster: do you have /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so

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hashbang:

Juski: the jim.neave/stuarta thing was pretty much what stuarta helped me with the other week.

[23:01:10]

hashbang:

Juski: (eit/channels.conf/networkid/transportid)

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x30n:

Juski: http://pastebin.com/680011

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LLyric:

Did you run the sql to create the tables?

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x30n:

yes but they're not all getting created, only 17 tables

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** LLyric has 67 **

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LLyric:

You should figure out why they're not getting created – look at the error messages

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arcadies:

OKAY now iv RUN tv_grab_za

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x30n:

I have no idea, I have dropped database mythconverg, and then execute # mysql -u root -p < /usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql

[23:04:11]

arcadies:

now im spose to run mythtv-setup

[23:04:37]

Juski:

hashbang: I worked it out a long time ago when I was playing with SVN (before 0.19 was released)

[23:04:38]

eiggirC:

tveeprom 1–0050: tuner model is unknown (idx 105, type 0)

[23:04:40]

arcadies:

but what must i add to the video source setup?

[23:04:41]

x30n:

and it only creates 17 tables every time

[23:04:43]

eiggirC:

AARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[23:04:44]

arcadies:

nothing?

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Juski:

x30n: you ran mythtv-setup?

[23:05:37]

x30n:

Juski: Yes, I can see many errors when I run it

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arcadies:

anyone?

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Juski:

maybe the mc.sql isn't complete, x30n

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hashbang:

hmmm

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hashbang:

night all

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Juski:

night hashbang

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michthom:

Evening all

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x30n:

Juski: I'll paste it

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Juski:

evening michthom

[23:07:07]

michthom:

o/ Juski. Quick question on 0.19 setup if anyone has time.

[23:07:26]

Juski:

we're not just here for the banter

[23:07:31]

michthom:

I'm using a bttv card (WinTV Go) that's detected just fine. PAL-I (UK)

[23:07:53]

Juski:

mmmyesss...

[23:08:01]

michthom:

Problem is that I can only get useful video in 'LiveTV' or recordings if I run tvtime before Myth?

[23:08:14]

michthom:

I'm scratching my head hard on this

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x30n:

http://pastebin.com/680015

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Juski:

michthom: how do you mean?

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michthom:

I am convinced my frequency tables are right

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Juski:

x30n: I'm not sure that's right

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michthom:

What I mean is that if I boot the box and go straight to Myth I get the famous green screen and static that says 'right source, not tuned'

[23:09:22]

michthom:

But if I fire up tvtime it works perfectly, and myth works fine until rebooted.

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Juski:

x30n: ok just looked at mine & it's ok

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Juski:

x30n: next we need to see the errors you get when you run mythtv-setup

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x30n:

Juski: All the errors I get when I run mythtv-setup have to do with tables

[23:10:43]

Juski:

x30n: post them into a pastebin.. nobody can help if we don't see the errors. sheesh

[23:11:35]

Juski:

michthom: sounds a bit strange. you selected 'europe-west' for the frequency table in mythtv-setup?

[23:11:43]

michthom:

Aye

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michthom:

Also tried using the override on the card settings just in case, same result

[23:12:13]

Juski:

michthom: my guess is that tvtime is doing something mythtv isn't (duh)

[23:12:15]

michthom:

(overridden to europe-west, naturellement)

[23:12:22]

michthom:

Yup I concur

[23:12:51]

Juski:

ordinarily I'd have said "no way!" but I've seen a few cases of this – normally to do with audio not working on bttv cards

[23:13:01]

michthom:

In my old Myth box (0.14) I was tuning to channel 52 to get the signal from my cable box

[23:13:11]

michthom:

Under 0.19 it seems to have moved to channel 123

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x30n:

http://pastebin.com/680026

[23:13:22]

LLyric:

OF COURSE YOU GET ERRORS!

[23:13:28]

LLyric:

If you haven't created the tables

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Juski:

michthom: maybe there's a v4lctl command you can use...

[23:13:35]

michthom:

(hugely different bttv driver, so I'm not too worried)

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kormoc:

x30n, what version of mysql?

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LLyric:

You can't just push on past that eerror

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michthom:

I'll look

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kormoc:

LLyric, there's an issue with 3.xx mysql versions that cause that

[23:14:15]

michthom:

I wanted something equivalent to the ivtv_ctl stuff I used on a PVR-350 – that dumps the tuner settings I think

[23:14:16]

x30n:

kormoc: 4.1.14-r1

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LLyric:

kormoc: he admitted he hasn't created his tables

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arcadies:

kormoc u there?

[23:14:29]

kormoc:

LLyric, ooh

[23:14:33]

arcadies:

u were helping me earlier?

[23:14:36]

LLyric:

kormoc: created 17, instead of the required ~67

[23:14:49]

Juski:

LLyric: he did the mysql -u root blah < mc.sql bit though

[23:14:50]

kormoc:

arcadies, maybe, what about?

[23:15:17]

arcadies:

well i got the tv_grab_za to work

[23:15:18]

x30n:

LLyric: How do I create them? I was following a HOWTO and it didn't mention that

[23:15:19]

arcadies:

100%

[23:15:21]

arcadies:

now

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arcadies:

when i run mythsetup

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Juski:

oh wait a minute... I'm sure mc.sql used to be way bigger

[23:15:39]

arcadies:

it doesnt give me the choice of ZA

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kormoc:

ooh?

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Juski:

x30n: methinks the howto you followed is out of date

[23:15:52]

arcadies:

is the right

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arcadies:

or am i borked?

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x30n:

It's this one http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV

[23:16:40]

michthom:

Juski: "v4lctl list" shows some stuff, but not the currently-tuned channel

[23:16:47]

eiggirC:

Right – I'm going to try 2.6.16.x with ivtv 0.6.1 to see if my tuners both work then

[23:16:52]

kormoc:

arcadies, it could be it needs recompiled with the new xmltv, or it could be it needs a update to the code. I don't know offhard. You can try recompiling, or perhaps put a ticket in on svn.mythtv.org and see what they sudgest

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Beirdo:

:(

[23:17:34]

kormoc:

icky :/

[23:17:38]

SlicerDicer-:

x30n: you should follow the offical docs not the gentoo one it can get messy

[23:17:46]

SlicerDicer-:

hello kormoc

[23:17:47]

SlicerDicer-:

and Beakster

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SlicerDicer-:

Beirdo: rather

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LLyric:

x30n: did you set the mysql password? did you update mythtv.txt to match? run mythtvsetup with "-v all"

[23:18:08]

Beirdo:

asterisk box is off

[23:18:10]

Beirdo:

PVR is off

[23:18:14]

Beirdo:

hmmm

[23:18:17]

Juski:

x30n: I'm not 100% sure that wiki is right.. running mythbackend before mythtv-setup... wtf?

[23:18:21]

Beirdo:

I guess the devel box is next

[23:18:24]

kormoc:

Beirdo, gonna head off soon?

[23:18:35]

Beirdo:

flying out next monday

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kormoc:

wow, so soon

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x30n:

LLyric: I did set the mysql password, didn't update mythtv.txt, didn't run mythtv-setup with "-v all" either

[23:19:32]

Juski:

michthom: hmmm... I've not dealt with analogue tuners in mythtv – at least not on the tuning in side of it (i.e. thru an aerial)

[23:19:33]

arcadies:

kormoc : thx ill do that

[23:19:37]

arcadies:

kormoc : thx alot

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LLyric:

x30n: check your ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt is correct

[23:20:36]

michthom:

Juski: Thanks anyway. I'm turning on debug for the tuner.o module and I'll see if I get anything when running tvtime vs myth

[23:21:04]

kormoc:

arcadies, you're welcome, hope you can get it worked out

[23:21:16]

arcadies:

kormoc : i hope so too

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x30n:

LLyric: It seems ok, what is this one: "DBType=QMYSQL3"?

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** LLyric shrugs – seems to work fine for me **

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** LLyric using mysql 5 **

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arcadies:

kormoc : when i run the tv_grab_za all it does is fetch the listings? is that correct?

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LLyric:

x30n: try starting again from the database stage, but I agree with other commenter. Starting backend before configuring? Wacky

[23:23:09]

x30n:

LLyric: I'm running mysql-4.1.14-r1, and I have "DBType=QMYSQL3" in ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

[23:23:25]

LLyric:

arcadies: you don't normally run the grabber manually – you get mythfilldatabase to run it

[23:23:46]

LLyric:

arcadies: but yes, it fetches program information, and writes it to an xml file

[23:24:00]

LLyric:

x30n: that's probably fine

[23:24:06]

arcadies:

LLyric : so i run the grabber, then the filldatabase then what?

[23:24:11]

arcadies:

the backend?

[23:24:15]

arcadies:

and it should work?

[23:24:19]

kormoc:

x30n, would you mind just disabling UTF8?

[23:24:24]

Juski:

omfg... man goes to hospital complaining of headaches.. turns out he'd tried to commit suicide with a nailgun the day before! ffs. doctors used a drill & pliers to remove the nails

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LLyric:

mythfilldatabase will call the grabber itself

[23:24:31]

x30n:

kormoc: How do I do that?

[23:24:55]

LLyric:

but you may need to have configured your channels first, so it knows what's going on

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kormoc:

x30n, edit your /etc/mysql/my.cnf and change the lines with UTF8 to latin1

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x30n:

ok

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kormoc:

x30n, then reimport the mc.sql and rerun the mythtv-setup

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arcadies:

LLyric : through mythsetup?

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x30n:

got it, brb

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LLyric:

arcadies: yup

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LLyric:

arcadies: you need to set up a bunch of stuff there, configure devices, sources, channels etc

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arcadies:

LLyric : so i must setup each chan manually?

[23:27:43]

LLyric:

arcadies: you can get mythtvsetup to use the grabber to load the channels for you

[23:27:57]

LLyric:

It may do that automagically

[23:27:59]

LLyric:

Just have a look

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arcadies:

ya so then ull have to select the grabber through the setup

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arcadies:

witch i cant do

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arcadies:

so ill enter them all manually

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arcadies:

and see if it works

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LLyric:

You shouldn't need to do that

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LLyric:

I don't know where myth gets it's list from, I've hacked around with this in the past

[23:29:59]

LLyric:

I replaced tv_grab_au with my own script, which called the grabber that I really wanted to use

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jonK:

greetings

[23:33:12]

jonK:

don't everyone talk at once...

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michthom:

o/ jonK

[23:33:49]

jonK:

help

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x30n:

kormoc: You rule!

[23:34:03]

kormoc:

heh, thanks, glad I can help :)

[23:34:14]

jonK:

was trying to type /help

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jonK:

wondered if /o was a command

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x30n:

Thank you so much, I've been at it for hours

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kormoc:

you're welcome :)

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jonK:

so I rode 172 miles over the weekend and raised ~1000 for MS

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michthom:

jonK: Well done!

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jonK:

leaving no time to get the new mythbackend working

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LLyric:

kormoc: good spotting with x30n

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Beirdo:

it is SOOOOO quiet in here

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eiggirC:

bugger – ivtv 0.6.1 supports only kernel 2.6.16 No other sub version

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BBlinkk:

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BBlinkk:

sorry that was my cat

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Zider:

meow

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eiggirC:

BBlinkk: suuuuure

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RaYmAn-Bx:

eiggirC: just a buggy makefile. Use the svn version of ivtv-0.6 and it should work

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eiggirC:

RaYmAn-Bx: no thanks :)

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RaYmAn-Bx:

eiggirC: suit yourself..I don't think there are actually any changes besides makefile ones though

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RaYmAn-Bx:

eiggirC: the fixed makefile is here anyways: http://ivtvdriver.org/svn/ivtv/branches/0.6/Makefile..presumably you can just copy the relevant parts

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eiggirC:

RaYmAn-Bx: thanks dude – this is getting seriously out of my comfort zone as is.

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RaYmAn-Bx:

eiggirC: heh. In any case ivtv-0.6 works fine with any 2.6.16.x kernel..it's just the version check that's messing up

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eiggirC:

RaYmAn-Bx: thanks – I'll give it a go then. I have a working tuner, but added a second one and the new one isn't working right

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eiggirC:

complains of "unrecognised tuner"

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RaYmAn-Bx:

eiggirC: I think you actually only need to copy the updated @UNAME= line from the svn one and it should work

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