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Tuesday, April 18th, 2006, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:20] bookwood: QMYSQL3: Unable to execute query
[00:00:20] bookwood: Database error was:
[00:00:20] bookwood: Table 'mythconverg.settings' doesn't exist
[00:00:41] xris: bookwood: sounds like you got an incomplete install... is this a fresh install?
[00:00:43] kormoc: bookwood, you need to wipe that database, and start again and it will work
[00:01:01] Dug02: I cant quite get the xorg.conf to work with my monitor... its in the right mode 1360x720 but just not far enough left
[00:01:02] bookwood: kormoc: Oh you are right, I forgot
[00:01:08] SlicerDicer-: xris: but its fun!
[00:01:15] Dug02: xris :^
[00:01:56] xris: Dug02: X -configure
[00:02:04] SlicerDicer-: http://rafb.net/paste/results/H4FiJX51.html xris good stuff
[00:02:06] SlicerDicer-: they are both there!
[00:02:22] xris: if that doesn't come up with something helpful, you'll need to dig into the driver options for your video card.
[00:02:45] xris: SlicerDicer-: cool
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[00:10:33] WAR_CH|LD: can anyone thing of a reason to why "Connection to backend server lost" sometimes/randomly appearing in the mythfrontend log? the backend is functioniny 100% on another box
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[00:12:50] xris: WAR_CH|LD: disconnecting the network cable from the frontend?
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[00:13:10] Daedalus_: Is there a way to remove a since video source?
[00:13:13] Daedalus_: err single
[00:13:59] kormoc: run mythtv-setup and remove it?
[00:14:16] Daedalus_: The only option I have is 'Delete ALL'
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[00:14:26] ** kormoc blinks **
[00:14:30] Daedalus_: Yah
[00:14:49] kormoc: Daedalus_, you're inside of mythtv-setup or is this a prompt going into it?
[00:14:55] Daedalus_: inside
[00:15:02] ** kormoc blinks **
[00:15:17] kormoc: odd, I could have sworn that it was different
[00:15:28] Daedalus_: options are '(New video source)', '(Delete all video sources)' and then the two sources I have
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[00:15:47] Daedalus_: Doh
[00:15:58] kormoc: press d on the one you want to delete?
[00:15:59] SlicerDicer: xris: do you have any problems getting signals
[00:16:04] Daedalus_: the 'd' key is for delete, not the 'delete' key.... *sighs*
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[00:16:09] xris: SlicerDicer-: nope
[00:16:11] Daedalus_: kormoc: right on
[00:16:24] kormoc: heh, glad you figured it out :)
[00:16:24] xris: Daedalus_: it's designed for mapping to a remote.
[00:17:01] SlicerDicer-: screw it I am daisy chaining them xris
[00:17:04] SlicerDicer-: peice of shit lol
[00:17:28] SlicerDicer-: http://rafb.net/paste/results/N0UnQk88.html
[00:17:31] SlicerDicer-: daisy chain ;-)
[00:17:50] Daedalus_: xris: yeah, I know... just not very intuitive for those of us non-remote users ;)
[00:18:19] WAR_CH|LD: xris, yeah funny man. everything network wise is 100%
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[00:19:02] xris: WAR_CH|LD: you'd be surprised what jiggling can do to bad wires, connections... just want to make sure everything's covered.
[00:19:31] xris: SlicerDicer-: daisy chaining the firewire or the cable?
[00:19:41] WAR_CH|LD: yeah, but this mythfrtonend also has cards in it, with a slavebackend connected all good to the mater
[00:19:43] WAR_CH|LD: master
[00:20:22] WAR_CH|LD: but the frontend, jus tseems to a) loose connection to hte master b) lock on on menu's for no apparent reason
[00:20:55] WAR_CH|LD: either viewing video, or just browsing through menu's it can and will pause/lock up
[00:21:40] WAR_CH|LD: is there a minimum ram requirement for the frontend?
[00:21:53] kormoc: not really
[00:22:00] SlicerDicer-: kormoc: I got bored
[00:22:04] SlicerDicer-: xris: yeah the firewire
[00:22:12] WAR_CH|LD: kormoc so, 256mb is enough?
[00:22:26] SlicerDicer-: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Tk4gCp62.html check it out kormoc and xris
[00:22:29] kormoc: WAR_CH|LD, it's what I have in my backend/frontend box
[00:22:33] SlicerDicer-: 3 boxes daisychained
[00:22:35] SlicerDicer-: lol
[00:23:16] xris: SlicerDicer-: SOOO overkill. heh
[00:23:18] SlicerDicer-: haha
[00:23:21] SlicerDicer-: xris: ;-)
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[00:23:25] WAR_CH|LD: ok, yeah.
[00:23:36] xris: WAR_CH|LD: that's a little low for running a slave backend, too
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[00:24:00] WAR_CH|LD: it has 3x pvr500's in it
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[00:24:11] WAR_CH|LD: amd2800+
[00:24:13] xris: WAR_CH|LD: that's a big slave backend.
[00:24:14] WAR_CH|LD: 256mb ram
[00:24:36] xris: my single-encoder frontend-backend has 512... I wouldn't run with less than that
[00:24:37] kormoc: WAR_CH|LD, well, check how much free ram you have on it
[00:24:38] SlicerDicer-: xris: now the question is does the daisy chain work!
[00:24:59] xris: SlicerDicer-: how'd you daisy chain the boxes? there's only an input port on the cable box
[00:25:24] SlicerDicer: one port input one port to daisy chain
[00:25:31] SlicerDicer: so you just slam them together
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[00:25:35] WAR_CH|LD: free, 13434
[00:25:45] kormoc: WAR_CH|LD, after buffers/cached files
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[00:25:53] SarahEmm: 3x 500s? *blinks* wowie :)
[00:25:57] ** SarahEmm is using one bttv *giggle* **
[00:26:00] kormoc: WAR_CH|LD, and how much swap is used?
[00:26:20] xris: SlicerDicer-: I'll have to check mine. I only say an rf out for going to an analog tv
[00:26:23] WAR_CH|LD: 1960300
[00:26:31] kormoc: SarahEmm, how's the closed captioning going?
[00:26:31] WAR_CH|LD: not much
[00:26:32] SlicerDicer: xris: there is 2 firewire ports
[00:26:37] WAR_CH|LD: I have a 2gb swap
[00:26:45] xris: SlicerDicer-: oh... thought you were daisy chaining the coax
[00:26:49] kormoc: WAR_CH|LD, yeah, fair nuff.
[00:26:58] SlicerDicer: wtf xris why would I do that? ;-)
[00:27:09] xris: SlicerDicer-: I have no idea. which is why I was curious.
[00:27:25] kormoc: SlicerDicer-, cause you're fruitier then a fruit cake? :P
[00:27:32] ** xris ponders installing a firewire card into his pundit so he doesn't have the wire poking out the front. **
[00:27:46] kormoc: one cablebox short of a cable company? :P
[00:27:53] bookwood: I'll go to bed now. Thank you guys, especialls RaYmAn-Bx and kormoc
[00:27:56] bookwood: N8
[00:28:01] kormoc: you're welcome bookwood
[00:28:01] WAR_CH|LD: man, this is nuts
[00:28:09] SlicerDicer: xris: well its sort of working
[00:28:10] SarahEmm: kormoc: .19 requires a 2.6 kernel for CC support. they added a call to query VBI support in 2.6, which .19 uses
[00:28:19] WAR_CH|LD: just getting some feedback from my client who uses it...... why would I get recordings with no bytes?
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[00:28:25] SlicerDicer: what do you have your input set to xris broadcast or point 2 point?
[00:28:26] SarahEmm: kormoc: i upgraded the box to the latest 2.6 (was on a very old 2.4) and now it wokrs :)
[00:28:30] SlicerDicer: do you remember xris
[00:28:34] SlicerDicer: maybe thats part of my problem
[00:28:39] SarahEmm: kormoc: you don't realize how much you rely on something until it's gone :P
[00:28:44] kormoc: SarahEmm, awesome :) Just bttv tho?
[00:28:44] xris: SlicerDicer-: whatever jarod's guide told me to use
[00:28:46] SlicerDicer: its obvious they are all seen in plug report so they are daisychained
[00:28:49] SlicerDicer: xris: link?
[00:28:50] WAR_CH|LD: and why would a recording change channel mid recording?
[00:29:05] SarahEmm: kormoc: anything v4lish
[00:29:08] xris: WAR_CH|LD: analog? weird.
[00:29:09] SarahEmm: so bttv, saaXXXX, etc
[00:29:15] SarahEmm: but not PVR-250/350
[00:29:16] kormoc: ivtv?
[00:29:18] SarahEmm: (150/500 isn't supported)
[00:29:24] kormoc: ahh, too bad
[00:29:30] SarahEmm: no, ivtv was only just added in .19, so i assume that'll work
[00:29:31] SarahEmm: err
[00:29:36] SarahEmm: i meant 250/350 didn't break kormoc :)
[00:29:39] SarahEmm: i didn't mean it doesn't have CC
[00:29:41] kormoc: ahh, cool :)
[00:29:46] SarahEmm: in theory as of .19 the 250/350 has CC :)
[00:29:56] SarahEmm: 150/500 doesn't unfortunately. i'd love to use a 500!
[00:30:01] SarahEmm: i'm pondering buying a 250 tho
[00:30:12] kormoc: One killer feature I'm interested in is CC on Mute
[00:30:20] ** kormoc nods **
[00:31:09] SarahEmm: ahh
[00:31:20] SarahEmm: i'm neutral on that. i have it default on and never turn it off *Shrug*
[00:31:36] kormoc: heh, fair nuff
[00:31:37] SlicerDicer-: but the FireWire port on my SoundBlaster Audigy works great, as does a Western Digital-branded PCI FireWire card (NEC OrangeLink chipset), which is what I'm using in production now.
[00:31:37] SarahEmm: kormoc: a -250 would decrease my load a ton, but i'm still limited to one tuner (only one pci slot)
[00:31:40] SlicerDicer-: rofl xris
[00:31:43] SlicerDicer-: he uses it too
[00:32:00] SarahEmm: kormoc: CC-on-Mute does sound like a really good feature for those that don't rely on it all the time :)
[00:32:00] kormoc: SarahEmm, well, you could setup a slave backend or two
[00:32:05] SarahEmm: should be simple to implement, no?
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[00:32:31] kormoc: I've heard there's been patches for it floating around, but nothing real that I've seen, but yeah, it /should/ be easy :)
[00:32:35] SlicerDicer-: xris: maybe its just 64bit being a pain in the ass?
[00:32:38] SlicerDicer-: kormoc: what do you think?
[00:32:49] SlicerDicer-: do you think the firewire and mythtv could be impacted by it?
[00:32:54] SarahEmm: kormoc: yeah :)
[00:33:12] SarahEmm: kormoc: well, the CC improvements lately have been much much appreciated by me :)
[00:33:23] kormoc: SlicerDicer-, doubtful in my mind, but it all depends on the lib.
[00:33:31] kormoc: SarahEmm, yeah, understandable :)
[00:33:40] SlicerDicer-: kormoc: xris seems to have it work all the time but mine is random
[00:33:49] SlicerDicer-: 2006-04–17 17:33:37.361 RingBuf(myth://192.168.1.60:6543/3663_20060417173316.mpg) Error: Waited 16 seconds for data, aborting.
[00:33:51] SlicerDicer-: thats what happens
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[00:34:22] kormoc: SlicerDicer-, sure, but's more likely the cable boxes are different or different signal levels more then 64/32 bit imho
[00:34:34] SarahEmm: kormoc: how long until myth has speech-to-text to auto-caption shows that aren't captioned tho? i think i'll put in a feature request. ;)
[00:34:41] SlicerDicer-: kormoc: it was doing it when there was only 1 input via firewire
[00:34:41] ** kormoc laughs **
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[00:35:05] SlicerDicer-: Cardoe: was i the firewire libs you added the ~amd64 thing for?
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[00:35:10] kormoc: SarahEmm, that'd be great, and I can imagine the funny bits it screws up on.
[00:35:13] SlicerDicer-: Cardoe: I cannot remember what I asked you to do
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[00:35:22] SlicerDicer-: Cardoe: or was it nuvexport?
[00:35:39] SlicerDicer-: kormoc: anyway yeah it was doing it with just 1 input so its weird
[00:35:42] nix4me: is it possible to have a myth box with 2 encoders, 3 video outs to 3 tvs in 3 different rooms, all controllable by web interface? I want a single box that my wife can control from her latop and I can control from my desktop.
[00:35:59] SlicerDicer-: kormoc: whats further weird is that I can go watch livetv, timeout, watch livetv and it works
[00:36:00] kormoc: SlicerDicer-, but like, firmware for the cable boxes, how long of a cable loop would all change how the signal works out
[00:36:17] SlicerDicer-: kormoc: and then sometimes it will just work the first try
[00:36:20] kormoc: nix4me, sure, with a bit of work and some code... :P
[00:36:21] SarahEmm: kormoc: there's enough of those with human captioners.. i love when the food network tells you ''heat the milk until it reaches about 15000 degrees.'
[00:36:29] ** kormoc laughs **
[00:36:34] ** SarahEmm has trouble finding a stove that goes that high! :) **
[00:36:41] SlicerDicer-: and like I said kormoc this was before with only 1 box attached not daisy chained
[00:36:52] nix4me: not possible with stock myth setup i guess?
[00:37:07] kormoc: nix4me, the webinterface is currently the part that is hardish
[00:37:22] kormoc: SlicerDicer, so? why would that matter to signal quality?
[00:37:28] nix4me: <kormoc>thats what i thought
[00:37:52] nix4me: would rf be better?
[00:38:07] nix4me: with remotes and repaeaters for her and I?
[00:38:15] kormoc: nix4me, a single interface would make it easier, aye
[00:38:28] SlicerDicer-: kormoc: I dunno I never had issues with signal quality.. and comcast says that the signal coming into my house is more than enough to drive 5 boxes and I am only running 3 there... I can drive like 12 boxes total in my house with no issue
[00:38:33] SlicerDicer-: kormoc: thats why I am confused
[00:38:52] WAR_CH|LD: how hard is it to update from 0.18 to 0.19
[00:39:08] SlicerDicer-: unless your talking signal over firewire kormoc
[00:39:16] Cardoe: SlicerDicer: not sure
[00:39:41] SlicerDicer-: Cardoe: know offhand if any issue could arise with amd64 and the firewire with myth and gentoo?
[00:40:27] kormoc: SlicerDicer, no, cable signal is what I'm talking bout
[00:40:44] kormoc: SlicerDicer, and how does 5–3=12?
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[00:40:49] Daedalus_: Fun warning for folks who are using mythtv under debian (and possibly it's derivatives). mysql binary logging is unlimited by default. It's a good way to fill your harddrive unexpectedly.
[00:41:08] kormoc: Daedalus_, that's default with all vanilla mysql installs :P
[00:41:58] Daedalus_: kormoc: well, but the cron.daily in debian has a logrotate feature that will keep the number down, if you enable it...
[00:42:04] SlicerDicer-: kormoc: there is 3 seperate feeds in my house
[00:42:18] SlicerDicer-: it would be 15 total but I have digital voice and internet so that drops it down a little
[00:42:19] kormoc: SlicerDicer-, oh, right...
[00:42:46] SlicerDicer-: so its not like the ones upstairs are on the same feed either sucking the signal down
[00:43:06] Daedalus_: kormoc: unless the logrotate is part of vanilla mysql... which would be cool, and annoying at the same time :)
[00:43:28] kormoc: Daedalus_, doubtful that it is
[00:43:44] WAR_CH|LD: anyone? what do I need to do to update from .18, to .19
[00:43:47] Cardoe: SlicerDicer: no idea.
[00:43:54] Cardoe: SlicerDicer: I got my first amd64 box at work
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[00:44:42] sphing: anyone use sock_raw before?
[00:46:31] SlicerDicer-: Cardoe: I am considering making my 64bit mythbox 32bit
[00:46:47] SlicerDicer-: transcoding is not faster with 64bit IMO
[00:46:58] ** kormoc blinks **
[00:47:01] SlicerDicer-: I can get my 1.4ghz to go faster than my 64bit box
[00:47:04] SlicerDicer-: thats whats really fubar
[00:47:07] ** kormoc double blinks. **
[00:47:21] kormoc: your install is just foobar imho
[00:47:24] SMDBlink: someone say my name?
[00:47:27] SlicerDicer-: I dont think the SSE and SSE2 instructions are working with 64bit
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[00:47:59] SlicerDicer-: kormoc: its very weird
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[00:48:30] SlicerDicer-: kormoc: I dunno I tried talking to several people about it said that its automagic compiled in support for it yada yada well I have yet to see it increase beyond the times of my 1.4 ghz and its making me angry
[00:48:34] SlicerDicer-: haha
[00:49:02] SlicerDicer-: its like damn... 1.4ghz thunderbird vs 3500+ AMD64 errrm right...
[00:50:01] Blinkk: You don't have permission to access /mythweb/ on this server.
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[00:50:50] WAR_CH|LD: if I upgrade from 0.18.1 to 0.19, is there anything that i need to do with the mysql database?
[00:50:57] WeezeyD: my hauppauge remote isn't working anymore
[00:51:05] SlicerDicer-: kormoc: least I have all the data stored on seperate disks for the recordings and so forth :) makes install easy heh
[00:51:34] SarahEmm: the .18-.19 DB stuff is done automagically
[00:52:09] WAR_CH|LD: SarahEmm, what does that mean? does that mean i can just ./configure, etc mythtv 0.19 and it will just work?
[00:52:17] WeezeyD: I upgraded ivtv to the latest, 0.6.1 and now it doesn't work, everything else, except the remote does.
[00:52:52] SarahEmm: WAR_CH|LD: the first time you fire up myth, it will upgrade your database.
[00:53:12] WAR_CH|LD: ah, ok. nice.
[00:53:24] WAR_CH|LD: thanks
[00:53:24] Cardoe: SlicerDicer: my PPC box is AMAZING fast compared to my intel box
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[00:57:04] SlicerDicer-: Cardoe: ppc backend?
[00:57:15] SlicerDicer-: or just transcoding?
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[00:58:28] Cardoe: ppc backend
[00:58:30] Cardoe: transcoding is fast
[00:58:36] SlicerDicer: way cool
[00:58:40] SlicerDicer: g4 or g5?
[00:59:51] SlicerDicer: Cardoe: say for 2 hours of video on doublepass whats the speed?
[01:00:00] Cardoe: no idea
[01:00:05] Cardoe: g4 like system
[01:00:06] SlicerDicer: hehe
[01:00:46] SlicerDicer: xris: well I can confirm the firewire daisychain works just its very tempermental just like my system has been from the getgo with firewire
[01:00:53] SlicerDicer: I think I am going to go 32bit
[01:00:55] WeezeyD: irw is showing the hauppauge remote signals, but nothing's happening in mythfrontend. What am I missing?
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[01:05:14] phoner: restart the frontend if you make any changes
[01:07:51] SlicerDicer-: mishehu: you around?
[01:08:22] phoner: hauppauge needs the .lircrc file
[01:08:25] SarahEmm: upgrading from kernel 2.4.x to 2.6.x has more than doubled my maximum volume from the sound card... o.O
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[01:10:09] xris: SlicerDicer-: cool enough
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[01:11:26] WAR_CH|LD: when configuring mythtv 0.19 do you still have to put in dvb support?
[01:12:00] GreyFoxx: well, you do if you want dvb support
[01:12:05] WAR_CH|LD: like, ./configure --dvb or whatever it was in 0.18.1
[01:12:24] Zider: woo, finally got ps1 and nes emu working properly :D
[01:12:30] WeezeyD: ooh, rebooted and we're all better.
[01:12:38] WAR_CH|LD: I dont see it i nthe ./configure --help
[01:12:45] GreyFoxx: --enable-dvb
[01:12:58] dtm: Zider: o/
[01:13:20] WAR_CH|LD: k, thanks
[01:13:31] Zider: epsxe is impressively fast considering my crappy gfx card :P
[01:13:38] WAR_CH|LD: ah, ok. I see it now
[01:14:36] laga: re
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[01:17:22] xanderp: one of these days i'll quit updating my mythboxes (and subsequently breaking them)
[01:17:32] Beirdo: where's the fun in that?
[01:17:36] SarahEmm: hiya Beirdo
[01:17:41] Beirdo: heya
[01:18:05] xanderp: Beirdo: if it werent' the "Production" box that we actually watch it wouldn't be such a big deal!
[01:18:06] Beirdo: suckered a couple of the webhosting guys into helping me move stuff into the UHaul on Friday :)
[01:19:04] xanderp: i came home tonight and my backend was locked up tight as a drum. I reboot and the channels only come in as static... odd...
[01:19:18] Beirdo: nice
[01:19:20] laga: webhosting. that's the nervous type of people, right? try and yell 'dude, a DDoS right behind you!' while they carry your TV and have them pay for a new one
[01:19:27] Beirdo: heh
[01:19:33] Beirdo: nah, these guys are cool
[01:19:49] Beirdo: it's the systems developers that are the squirrely ones
[01:20:21] laga: heh
[01:20:46] ** laga beers Beirdo **
[01:20:49] WAR_CH|LD: "If you plan to watch HDTV recordings you probably
[01:20:49] WAR_CH|LD: need to run ./configure with --enable-proc-opt
[01:20:51] WAR_CH|LD: why is that?
[01:20:52] xanderp: i wish i had been born like 10 years later than i was... not that I want to be 10 years younger, but the computers are 10 years better!
[01:21:17] laga: xanderp: well, how old are you?
[01:21:20] xanderp: 35
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[01:21:34] laga: xanderp: i'm 18. and the computers still suck. :)
[01:21:55] xanderp: try starting out for the first 10 years of your life and the best that there is is like a commodore 64!
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[01:22:09] laga: xanderp: well, i'd probably know more about computers then.
[01:22:27] laga: assembler on the C64 was cool. but on x86, it's not that cool anymore.
[01:22:31] xanderp: nope... your brain gets full and old and crusty and can't learn the new stuff :)
[01:22:56] laga: my brain feels quite liquid atm, but i'd rather blame that on beer.
[01:23:36] xanderp: hmmm i don't remember doing anything major to my backend box, but it seems to be FLYING now that I rebooted. (although it is a new kernel)
[01:24:20] xanderp: emerge --sync && eupdatedb both ran in like nothing flat...
[01:24:41] sphing: Beirdo: ... OT q?
[01:27:42] xanderp: crap... oddly enough I'm seeing alot of the old ivtv stuff in my lsmod. also the dmesg shows tuner 3–0061: tuner type not set what's that all about?
[01:32:30] xanderp: i wish mysql-administrator would return the "User Administration" tab for me... :(
[01:44:19] WAR_CH|LD: this compilin takes forever
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[01:45:57] WAR_CH|LD: dvbtypes.h:38:2: warning: #warning DVB API version < 3.1, ATSC over DVB will not be supported.
[01:46:02] WAR_CH|LD: should i be concerned about this?
[01:46:15] WAR_CH|LD: what's atsc?
[01:46:47] WAR_CH|LD: looks like a tv standard like ntsc and pal?
[01:46:55] WAR_CH|LD: good thing they dnt have atsc in australia then
[01:47:08] WAR_CH|LD: as far as I know eveyrthing here is pal
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[01:48:06] xanderp: would someone please help me reset my mysql passwords? I've tried what has worked for me in the past (from the howtos) but it's just not working this time.
[01:49:03] xanderp: i'm doing mysqld_safe --init-file=/home/mythtv/mysql-init (the script I created that tells it to reset the root password) and then try to get in but it says that root from localhost has no rights
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[01:53:52] WAR_CH|LD: what is the default password myth users for it's mythconverg database?
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[01:54:49] JoeyJoeJo: I just changed the hostname and domain name on my backend, and now I'm getting "Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTOCOL_VERSION" errors
[01:55:11] JoeyJoeJo: when I try to look at the list of recorded programs, it just says that it can't connect to the backend
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[01:55:51] JoeyJoeJo: Warchild: I think the password is just mythtv
[01:56:10] WAR_CH|LD: yeah, thats what I thought
[01:56:13] WAR_CH|LD: doesn't seem to want to work
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[01:56:46] WAR_CH|LD: anyway, just wanted to do a mysqldump before I started updating, just su – to root and ran it
[01:57:05] khemicals_: So... I upgraded mythtv to the latest in SVN today, and its now functional, except for recording
[01:57:08] khemicals_: livetv works fine
[01:57:15] banyan: Here's an lirc question that perhaps one of you fine gents has run into before — Microsoft media centre remote usb thingy. How does a person select that in the 0.8.1 build config?
[01:57:23] khemicals_: when I try to record something, it tells me in the media section that the recording is unavailable
[01:57:27] khemicals_: it cannot find the file..
[01:57:29] khemicals_: ideas?
[01:57:37] xanderp: crap... i can't get my mysql security straightened out.
[01:57:44] banyan: Hmm, are you running the frontend and the backend on the same pc?
[01:57:50] khemicals_: yes
[01:58:11] banyan: I thought maybe the front end was not looking in the same place as the backend was putting the recording.
[01:58:19] banyan: But that wouldn't be it would it...
[01:58:22] banyan: hmm.
[01:58:23] khemicals_: the path exists, and perms are fine
[01:58:33] khemicals_: I checked the value set in mythtv-setup
[01:58:38] khemicals_: and its still the correct path
[01:59:06] khemicals_: my older recordings still work without issue
[01:59:12] banyan: How about your mysql.txt file for the user that is running mythfrontend? I can't see how this could be wrong but...
[01:59:19] banyan: Can you physically find the recording files?
[01:59:38] khemicals_: 2006-04–17 21:48:59.983 Channel(/dev/video0): SetInputAndFormat() failed
[01:59:39] khemicals_: 2006-04–17 21:48:59.993 TVRec(1) Error: Failed to set channel to 6. Reverting to kState_None
[01:59:39] khemicals_: 2006-04–17 21:49:00.001 TVRec(1): Changing from RecordingOnly to None
[01:59:39] banyan: Oh! Did you stop and restart both the backend and the frontend?
[01:59:43] khemicals_: I see that in my log file
[02:00:03] khemicals_: only mucked with the backend
[02:00:23] banyan: Exit mythfriontend and restart it. That might have some effect.
[02:00:37] khemicals_: I'll give it a shot
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[02:01:12] JoeyJoeJo: I just changed the hostname and domain name on my backend, and now I'm getting "Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTOCOL_VERSION" errors
[02:01:18] AngryElf: what's the prefix for sending a command to a remote display over ssh? it's something like Device=0:0 ??
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[02:04:49] dtm: AngryElf: you log into it with 'ssh -X' and you just run the command.
[02:05:04] dtm: AngryElf: that's assuming it's not enabled by default
[02:05:10] dtm: AngryElf: did you try just running it?
[02:05:40] dtm: AngryElf: and just fyi, what you're thinking of is 'export DISPLAY=:0.0' but that won't work ^_^ good guess
[02:07:18] ** nick125 goes off to look at how much it would cost to build a little myth front/back end.. **
[02:07:20] AngryElf: -X requires somethin in ~/.Xauthority
[02:07:27] AngryElf: dtm^^
[02:08:05] nick125: I'm thinking of getting a small 80GB hd to put in it, and, just mounting the mythtv directory over NFS
[02:08:43] nick125: what do you guys think of that idea?
[02:09:36] nick125: I would probably soft mount it though, since it would be over wireless
[02:09:53] khemicals_: banyan: no dice
[02:10:02] mchou: nick125: mighty fine idea except for wireless
[02:10:23] nick125: mchou: well, I don't have ethernet to hte room I would like to put it in..
[02:10:25] banyan: very strange.
[02:10:36] banyan: I do not know about that.
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[02:11:08] nick125: mchou: I'm thinking of getting a shuttle box, putting a cheap celeron in htere..
[02:11:30] mchou: nick125: forget about that too
[02:11:37] mchou: way too loud
[02:12:07] banyan: OK, here is *my* problem... what do I have to do to make my irw say that my hauppauge remote is sending keys to it?
[02:12:14] nick125: well, I don't want to use anything that's fanless..hrm
[02:12:34] nick125: they have some nice CPU fans that are pretty quiet too..
[02:12:38] kormoc: nick125, lots of people use shuttles, it all depends on what you feel is too loud.
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[02:12:57] banyan: The same remote... different receiver.
[02:13:07] nick125: it would also be around..least 20 feet from where you would be sitting too..
[02:13:09] WAR_CH|LD: wow, this update looks to have gone well
[02:13:29] nick125: it woudl be nice to do this under $500 too..hrm
[02:14:05] mchou: nick125: that's easily feasible
[02:14:29] nick125: 2.53ghz shoudl be definatly enough CPU power..
[02:14:43] mchou: nick125: if you dont constrain yourself to sff
[02:14:45] banyan: I am now (successfully and rather painlessly) using the Microsoft thingy instead of the i2c receiver from the wintv pvr350.
[02:15:35] mchou: nick125: a mATX would widen options considerably
[02:15:53] nick125: shuttles are expensive though..htm
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[02:15:57] kormoc: banyan, you have the mce remote, right?
[02:15:58] nick125: *hrm
[02:16:05] banyan: With the exception of the fact that my irw does not return nada.
[02:16:18] banyan: Um, yes but I have no intention of using it.
[02:16:35] banyan: Though I get your drift — I'll see if irw begins working.
[02:16:39] kormoc: banyan, but you did get it working without it needing double presses, right?
[02:16:44] mchou: banyan: I think you should get rid of IR
[02:17:20] mchou: banyan: you're always complaining about how you have issues with IR
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[02:17:36] mchou: banyan: go serial or firewire :)
[02:17:40] banyan: Just since 2.6.16–1.2080 came out.
[02:18:27] banyan: usb.
[02:18:44] nick125: gah..I did find a nice barebones for $180, but, it doesn't have an AGP slot
[02:19:28] nick125: embedded ATI. eww.
[02:21:03] nick125: i think 512MB of ram should be good, right?
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[02:26:59] xanderp: ok, i got my mysql problems straightened out (actually it was working, i was broken!)
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[02:30:00] xanderp: i'm scanning channels, but when i try to watch live tv now i'm getting snow. worked fine before my latest updates to myth/ivtv/etc... :(
[02:31:51] banyan: Ah, just had one of the miscellaneous installs replace my lircd.conf
[02:32:59] xanderp: ivtv1 warning: i2c client addr: 0x44 not found for command 0xc008561c!
[02:32:59] xanderp: tuner 3–0061: tuner type not set
[02:33:07] xanderp: what is this all of a sudden?
[02:33:29] banyan: yayyyy! I have the old remote working.
[02:33:41] banyan: with the microsoft whatzit.
[02:34:01] banyan: which has the nice advantage of also acting as an ir transmitter.
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[02:35:53] banyan: Maybe something dumb about your it2c driver.
[02:37:05] xanderp: crap.. i don't think i recompiled my ivtv after i upped my kernel... will check
[02:37:47] Anduin: xanderp: You should get a version error if that were the case (assuming sane options), though it looks like you don't have saa7127.ko
[02:38:50] xanderp: ahh i am getting a 'warning: could not generate /etc/modprobe.conf!
[02:40:36] xanderp: not a mythtv problem.. off to the gentoo channel!
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[02:41:28] SlicerDicer-: kormoc: you said fomit frame pointer would slow down transcoding right?
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[02:43:39] SlicerDicer-: or was that funroll-loops
[02:45:02] kormoc: that was funroll-loops
[02:45:22] kormoc: fomit-frame-pointer should speed it up slightly, at the cost of no debuging being able to be done
[02:45:40] SlicerDicer-: ok
[02:45:53] SlicerDicer-: http://gentoo-wiki.com/Safe_Cflags#Opteron.2FAthlon64_.28AMD.29 kormoc checking that
[02:46:03] SlicerDicer-: for the info on what to do with k8 in 32bit
[02:46:31] kormoc: what bout it?
[02:47:01] SlicerDicer-: I am moving my 64bit AMD to 32bit
[02:49:20] SlicerDicer-: kormoc: was just making sure it was correct
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[02:58:41] khemicals_: banyan: problem I had, according to the ML (google didn't find it easily, guess it doesn't have it indexed as well as I'd think)... anyways, there were some stale values in the DB due to the upgraded ivtv driver; solution was to delete all instances of the cards and recreate them
[02:59:30] banyan: Oh, right! I remember, that comes with the new version of video4linux.
[02:59:47] banyan: But that was a change made a while back.
[02:59:54] khemicals_: queried the database directly before and after and that fixed it
[03:00:13] khemicals_: well, it shouldn't have been an issue, just updated from .19 to the version in SVN
[03:00:21] khemicals_: so, its not been too long, but it matterd
[03:00:38] khemicals_: it looks like the method the data was stored in the DB was modified a bit
[03:00:53] khemicals_: as the values looked entirely different in the fields before I did those changes than after
[03:03:06] WAR_CH|LD: ok, for the mythweb pluging for 0.19, I am getting a server error 500!? what does that mean?
[03:03:31] WAR_CH|LD: yes, I have overrideall on, and yes I have loaded the new modules
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[03:16:17] SlicerDicer-: mishehu: you here?
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[03:18:39] khemicals_: anyone know of any HD frontends that work with myth (similar to the roku, but on sale), aside from a full-blown computer?
[03:18:51] AlmtyBob: khemicals_: XBMC
[03:19:18] khemicals_: AlmtyBob: it supports HD?
[03:19:21] khemicals_: HDTV
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[03:20:54] khemicals_: looks like that answer is in the xbmc faq... not at > 10 fps
[03:21:40] AlmtyBob: really?
[03:21:44] jradford: installed myth on a stock fc 5 machine, fx 5200 video card via wilson's guide. playing video with mplayer causes x to lock hard, can anyone point me in a direction to troubleshoot?
[03:21:56] AlmtyBob: I stream high def media from my pc all the time with xbmc and it works great
[03:22:11] AlmtyBob: not mythtv, but avi's and such
[03:22:41] khemicals_: AlmtyBob: apparently you need an upgraded unit, the processor isn't fast enough
[03:22:50] AlmtyBob: hmm
[03:22:51] AlmtyBob: url?
[03:23:46] khemicals_: http://www.xboxmediacenter.com/info_faq.htm#HDTV
[03:24:45] AlmtyBob: oh well ain't that some shit
[03:24:59] AlmtyBob: maybe I was watching 720p vids
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[03:30:13] banyan: I borked my xbox trying to do the solder job. heh.
[03:30:23] banyan: Actually, not borked necessarily.
[03:30:50] khemicals_: I've got practice from recently adding composite output to my atari
[03:30:59] banyan: which atari?
[03:31:05] khemicals_: though, I bet the solder pads are a bit bigger on the atari
[03:31:07] khemicals_: 2600
[03:31:22] banyan: that's the 800-generation game console?
[03:32:20] khemicals_: not sure what that would mean
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[03:40:29] banyan: Around the same time as the atari 800, like 1981-ish.
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[03:44:22] khemicals_: banyan: yeah, its about that old
[03:46:37] AlmtyBob: ouch, shoulda got a solderless chiop
[03:46:46] AlmtyBob: they're just as powerful and about 11.3 million times easier to put in
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[04:03:09] JoeyJoeJo: I just changed the hostname and domain name on my backend, and now I'm getting "Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTOCOL_VERSION" errors
[04:05:59] banyan: Did you update the software version on the frontend and restart it also?
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[04:08:39] JoeyJoeJo: I didn't update the software version on my backend
[04:09:47] JoeyJoeJo: or the frontend for that matter
[04:09:48] AlmtyBob: he means update the hostname
[04:09:50] AlmtyBob: on the frontend
[04:10:31] JoeyJoeJo: I didn't know I had to specify the hostname anywhere.. let me check mythtv-setup
[04:11:43] JoeyJoeJo: I only saw a section for the IP of the backend, not the host name
[04:12:26] JoeyJoeJo: mythweb doesn't work either.. it just gives an error that asks if the backend is running, which it is
[04:12:58] JoeyJoeJo: I can bring the frontend up, but when I go to view recordings, it says that it can't connect to the backend, but the backend is running
[04:13:48] JoeyJoeJo: nvm, I just got it
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[04:34:06] mishehu: I just want to scream! I was able to record off of my motorola 6200 via firewire in windows
[04:34:15] mishehu: but the shit won't work in linux.  :-/
[04:34:21] mchou: mishehu: lol
[04:34:32] mchou: mishehu: you're to damn funny
[04:34:58] mchou: mishehu: May I suggest you switch to MCE :)
[04:35:46] SlicerDicer-: mishehu: hey
[04:35:54] SlicerDicer-: I daisy chained 3 boxes together
[04:36:14] mchou: mishehu: so you never got test-mpeg2 to work?
[04:36:31] mchou: SlicerDicer: Tell us how to get that working
[04:36:39] SlicerDicer-: mchou: I never got test-mpeg2 to work
[04:36:43] mishehu: mchou: it always reads 0 bytes. I'm going to try again now. I removed all but the audigy 2z firewire
[04:36:50] SlicerDicer-: its a peice of shit IMO as it wont let you specify as you need too
[04:37:05] SlicerDicer-: but if you use myth and specify in the firewire settings it goes
[04:37:07] mchou: SlicerDicer-: that's why u use the source :)
[04:37:26] SlicerDicer-: mchou: bah thats annoying I just had faith it would work and set it
[04:37:28] SlicerDicer-: and it did
[04:37:37] mishehu: SlicerDicer-: what speed do you have the firewire set at in myth's config.
[04:37:48] SlicerDicer-: mchou: I am rebuilding my system right now so once I get that done I will tell you some more info
[04:37:52] SlicerDicer-: I nuked the system hehe
[04:37:52] mchou: SlicerDicer-: so tell us how you chained up 3 STBs
[04:38:30] SlicerDicer-: mchou: firewire in the first port to computer, second port to another boxes first port, second port on the other box to the other first port
[04:38:37] SlicerDicer-: blammo all 3 show up in portmap
[04:38:38] SlicerDicer-: hehe
[04:38:42] SlicerDicer-: easy
[04:38:48] mchou: SlicerDicer-: and plugreport says??
[04:38:58] SlicerDicer-: I mean plugreport sorry
[04:39:01] SlicerDicer-: let me check rafb
[04:39:05] SlicerDicer-: see if I can find my history to show ya
[04:39:19] mishehu: isn't daisy chainging causing an io bottleneck though?
[04:39:39] SlicerDicer-: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Tk4gCp62.html
[04:39:39] mchou: SlicerDicer-: I mean how are the 3 STBs differentiated in plugreport?
[04:39:42] SlicerDicer-: daisychain
[04:39:59] mishehu: ah fuck, what I did forget to do was to try to record off of a non-local station.
[04:40:03] mchou: SlicerDicer-: ahh, ok
[04:40:11] mchou: SlicerDicer-: not bad.
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[04:40:16] SlicerDicer-: mchou: :)
[04:40:34] SlicerDicer-: next step is to get them operating off of host 1
[04:40:47] mchou: SlicerDicer-: you must be a rich guy to have 3 STBs
[04:40:48] SlicerDicer-: so I can use that TI chip insted of audigy 2 firewire port
[04:40:55] SlicerDicer-: mchou: its only 10$ extra a month
[04:40:58] SlicerDicer-: honestly haha
[04:41:16] mchou: SlicerDicer-: no, that's per box
[04:41:29] SlicerDicer-: no 5$ per box
[04:41:30] mchou: first box is $5
[04:41:41] SlicerDicer-: thats what they are charging me
[04:41:43] SlicerDicer-: 5$ per box
[04:41:58] mchou: 2nd box is $11 (here) $5 + $6
[04:42:10] SlicerDicer-: hmm who knows
[04:42:17] SlicerDicer-: they must messed up my billing or something
[04:42:21] SlicerDicer-: but its only 5$ for me
[04:42:28] mchou: $5 box rental and $6 "additional HDTV"
[04:42:31] SlicerDicer-: although I have a ton of services through comcast so that may be why
[04:42:46] SlicerDicer-: phone and business internet
[04:42:53] mchou: SlicerDicer-: what's your comcast bill/mo?
[04:42:55] SlicerDicer-: and maybe I get a bulk discount on boxes
[04:43:01] mchou: on avg.
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[04:43:05] SlicerDicer-: mchou: stupidly high due to my internet connect :)
[04:43:11] SlicerDicer-: thats 164$ a month
[04:43:15] mchou: lol
[04:43:20] mchou: you are rich :)
[04:43:30] SlicerDicer-: http://home.comcast.net/~slicerdicer/mythfront1.jpg take a gander
[04:43:32] mchou: is that a tax write-off?
[04:43:37] SlicerDicer-: no
[04:43:51] SlicerDicer-: its not that costly though to run 3 boxes like that
[04:43:55] mchou: sheesh
[04:44:00] SlicerDicer-: specially when they screw up give you the wrong equipment
[04:44:05] SlicerDicer-: and you dont get charged for it
[04:44:34] SlicerDicer-: hehe
[04:44:45] mchou: so the $150/month is not a tax write-off??
[04:44:50] Captain_Murdoch: doesn't sound too expensive for TV, business internet and phone.
[04:45:03] SlicerDicer-: Captain_Murdoch: the 164$ is just the internet connection
[04:45:07] Captain_Murdoch: oh. :)
[04:45:07] SlicerDicer-: not the phone or tv
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[04:45:20] SlicerDicer-: 12/1 speed though
[04:45:58] MooingLemur: oh, how fun, cox sent down a firmware update for their 3250HDs that altered the firewire channel-changing method
[04:45:58] Captain_Murdoch: I get 6Mbit down, 2Mbit up here for $50. non-business
[04:46:10] mchou: SlicerDicer-: so none of your channels are HDCP??
[04:46:26] Captain_Murdoch: that's the non-subscriber rate. I have dishnetwork for TV.
[04:46:34] SlicerDicer-: yeah Captain_Murdoch I got static and can run servers or do whatever I want with my line so its a big difference than residential
[04:46:35] MooingLemur: I was able to figure out what they did though, so I have a working sa3250ch.c file.
[04:46:44] SlicerDicer-: Captain_Murdoch: 6/2 on comcast?
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[04:46:48] Captain_Murdoch: cox
[04:46:52] SlicerDicer-: ahh not bad
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[04:46:59] SlicerDicer-: that 2 up has to be nice
[04:47:02] Captain_Murdoch: they have 15 down for another $15 a month I think
[04:47:03] mchou: SlicerDicer-: so none of your channels are HDCP??
[04:47:09] SlicerDicer-: HDCP?
[04:47:19] mchou: SlicerDicer-: encrypted
[04:47:23] SlicerDicer-: no they are not
[04:47:25] SlicerDicer-: nor is xris
[04:47:31] mchou: weird
[04:47:32] Captain_Murdoch: yeah, I can stream lower-bitrate LiveTV from my backend over a vpn to my desktop at the office if I want sometimes. :)
[04:47:34] SlicerDicer-: so I know its not just me
[04:47:44] SlicerDicer-: Captain_Murdoch: what do you use to stream it?
[04:47:52] xris: mchou: hdcp is only over the display connection.. and afaik NO ONE uses it yet.
[04:48:04] mchou: xris: huh??
[04:48:04] xris: there are no tv's on the market that support it.
[04:48:05] Captain_Murdoch: mythfrontend
[04:48:18] SlicerDicer-: haha
[04:48:31] xris: it's supposed to go into hd-dvd and blue ray players, but those aren't out yet.
[04:48:31] SlicerDicer-: Captain_Murdoch: it will stream direct data like that?
[04:48:31] mchou: xris: I cant record ESPNHD over firewire
[04:48:39] SlicerDicer-: how the hell can it handle that datarate Captain_Murdoch
[04:48:41] xris: mchou: you don't pay for it, either.
[04:48:45] mchou: xris: shows up on svid
[04:48:53] MooingLemur: I can record everything that I receive above channel 100 except TNTHD
[04:48:55] Captain_Murdoch: you mean the connection or myth?
[04:48:59] MooingLemur: but I don't get any movie channels
[04:49:00] xris: mchou: the cable company CAN turn that on/off....
[04:49:21] MooingLemur: (over 1394)
[04:49:27] SlicerDicer-: Captain_Murdoch: well what I mean is can your connection handle running it from backend to frontend over vpn? and if so at what datarate?
[04:49:42] mchou: MooingLemur knows what I'm talking about :)
[04:50:06] SlicerDicer-: mchou: moment
[04:50:11] MooingLemur: mchou: do you ever get random lockups of the master backend?
[04:50:13] Captain_Murdoch: I said lower-bitrate, I think it was running about 1Mbit or so. not talking hdtv here or anything. I think I was using 320x240 or so.
[04:50:19] SlicerDicer-: http://home.comcast.net/~slicerdicer/hdtvmax.png mchou
[04:50:26] MooingLemur: I get em about every 36 hours :(
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[04:50:31] xris: wow... I think I actually got my firewall to connect to both cable AND dsl... and it's working.
[04:50:42] mchou: MooingLemur: no, not yet. only upgraded to 0.19-fixes 2 days ago
[04:50:45] mchou: :)
[04:50:51] MooingLemur: even though now there are no tuners on the master backend
[04:50:54] SlicerDicer-: Captain_Murdoch: not bad at all
[04:51:07] MooingLemur: and there are two slave backends
[04:51:09] mchou: MooingLemur: heh, that may be why then :)
[04:51:13] SlicerDicer-: Captain_Murdoch: transcoding it down with nuvexport would be kinda nice with that I would bet
[04:51:24] MooingLemur: nah, I had this problem when the master had tuners too
[04:51:50] Captain_Murdoch: yeah, this was using ivtv so it wasn't as good as software encoding at that bitrate.
[04:51:59] MooingLemur: I'm using the latest gentoo package. 0.19_p9163-r1
[04:52:16] mchou: MooingLemur: there were issues that if slave backends crashed it would leave mbe hung
[04:52:32] SlicerDicer-: Captain_Murdoch: I was just wondering if you used mythstreamtv or something :)
[04:52:41] mchou: MooingLemur: I dont think anybody spent any effort to correct that
[04:52:50] MooingLemur: that may be what's happening.. slave backends are getting confused with firewire dropouts or what have you
[04:52:53] Captain_Murdoch: no, too many dependencies for me when I looked last.
[04:53:11] SlicerDicer-: Captain_Murdoch: my system did not like it
[04:53:18] Captain_Murdoch: anyone running recent SVN head with DVB (atsc in particular)?
[04:53:20] mchou: MooingLemur: so dont expect a fix anytime soon for that problem
[04:53:21] MooingLemur: and the other slave finishes what it's recording and then nothing else gets recorded until the master backend restarts
[04:53:24] xris: Captain_Murdoch: will hopefully be integrating something like it into mythweb natively soon
[04:53:37] xris: Captain_Murdoch: sorry, I just mailed my air2pc to beirdo today...
[04:53:41] mchou: MooingLemur: yup, that's the prob. I'm referring to
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[04:54:59] Captain_Murdoch: I need to find some more time to finish the recorder changes I was working on. With making NuppelVideoRecorder able to write out using avformat, you could potentially write out other containers other than nuppel or mpeg-ps/ts also.
[04:55:05] SlicerDicer-: xris: that is going to be awesome :)
[04:55:12] xris: SlicerDicer-: hopefully
[04:55:16] SlicerDicer-: hehe
[04:55:26] mchou: SlicerDicer-: nice
[04:55:30] ** xris ponders kicking SlicerDicer so he can type SlicerDicer- with one tab-complete **
[04:55:57] mchou: SlicerDicer-: MAXHD, eh? :)
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[04:56:35] MooingLemur: that rather sucks that the backends aren't all that resilient. Sometimes when I restart the mbe, the sbe's reconnect fine and I can see all the tuners.. other times no
[04:56:37] mchou: SlicerDicer-: how do you know that's not dvd rez :)
[04:57:03] ** MooingLemur dreams of the utopian minimal-single-point-of-failure system **
[04:57:17] mchou: MooingLemur: lol. a mbe restart means all bets are off on sbe's
[04:57:27] SlicerDicer-: xris: lol
[04:57:30] ** SlicerDicer- kicks SlicerDicer **
[04:57:37] SlicerDicer-: mchou: yeah
[04:57:42] mishehu: ugh.
[04:57:53] SlicerDicer-: mchou: that aint no dvd res haha
[04:58:03] MooingLemur: If it didn't hang, I wouldn't have to restart it, because often the slaves are fine and still recording :(
[04:58:05] mishehu: SlicerDicer-: what vers of libraw1394, libiec61883, and libavc1394 do you have on your system?
[04:58:18] mchou: MooingLemur: keep on dreaming. I dont think Isaac has much time developing/debugging HA :)
[04:58:29] SlicerDicer-: http://home.comcast.net/~slicerdicer/lostwall.png just like thats not dvd res mchou
[04:58:43] SlicerDicer-: mishehu: I tore my system apart and I am rebuilding it right now
[04:58:48] SlicerDicer-: give me some time to get it done and I will tell ya
[04:59:04] SlicerDicer-: I am doing xorg right now and flux then myth etc
[04:59:20] SlicerDicer-: xorg is almost done so it wont be but ohh a few hours hehe
[04:59:55] MooingLemur: and beyond that, being able to schedule shows on remote slow links with different lineups, and built-in BE to BE show transfers ;) *dream bubble pops suddenly*
[05:00:09] SlicerDicer-: xris: sorry about the clone :/ I asked if it was ok to be cloned in here and whoever it was I think Beirdo or you that I asked about it and I was told I could hehe
[05:00:17] xris: yeah, it's fine.
[05:00:23] mchou: so there is no reason with 1394 why a laptop cant be a backend
[05:00:38] xris: just drives me nuts when I'm talking to the one that doesn't tab-complete.  :)
[05:00:41] ** mishehu curses 1394. **
[05:00:44] mchou: even a very old laptop
[05:00:47] SlicerDicer-: mchou: umm I dont think it would be swift due to the speed of the HDD imo
[05:01:07] SlicerDicer-: xris: it highlights on this computer regardless what nick
[05:01:09] mchou: SlicerDicer-: nah, disk is NAS, not on laptop
[05:01:16] xris: ah
[05:01:30] SlicerDicer-: but only for SlicerDicer and SlicerDicer- no other form of slicer or slice
[05:01:33] xris: but gaim won't add the : at the end automatically without a perfect match. heh
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[05:01:45] SlicerDicer-: xris: damn them :'s
[05:01:58] mchou: itd be even better if NAS had a 1394 connection :)
[05:02:06] xris: yours isn't so bad..  – is easy to type. it's the ones that end in ~ or other stuff that's more out of the way to type..
[05:02:55] SlicerDicer-: xris: I refuse to talk to people for the most part who dont have a nick that starts with a reasonable character that does not require me to use substandard keys ;-)
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[05:03:21] mchou: MooingLemur: huh???
[05:03:42] SlicerDicer-: so xris this is going to be a interesting test
[05:04:08] SlicerDicer-: I am recompiling this system to 32bit not just for firewire to try to fix those issues
[05:04:12] ** mishehu cries. **
[05:04:15] SlicerDicer-: but to see if transcoding goes faster
[05:04:30] mishehu: you'd think that firewire would just fucking work.
[05:04:38] mchou: SlicerDicer-: I wanna know if mythtv channel change over 1394 is going to be robust on 3 STBs at the same time :)
[05:04:38] SlicerDicer-: mishehu: maybe its your chipset?
[05:04:46] SlicerDicer-: mchou: sure its fine
[05:04:48] mchou: mishehu: it does work
[05:04:51] banyan: Is there a howto for adding a frontend to a myth server?
[05:04:53] SlicerDicer-: they change fine I have done it already
[05:05:05] mishehu: SlicerDicer-: It works under windoze.
[05:05:09] mchou: mishehu: uname -a
[05:05:22] SlicerDicer-: mishehu: drivers? linux? borken possible ;-)
[05:05:27] mishehu: mchou: Linux indecision 2.6.16.5 #1 Thu Apr 13 22:31:15 CDT 2006 i686 unknown unknown GNU/Linux
[05:05:46] mchou: mishehu: well, the problem is not your kernel/drivers :)
[05:05:56] mishehu: SlicerDicer-: the thing is that you said you're using an audigy 2zs firewire...
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[05:06:27] mishehu: mchou: oh wait, I hope myth doesn't static link to the libs for firewire
[05:06:29] mchou: shit, I'm surprised audigy firewire even WORKS in linux
[05:06:41] SlicerDicer-: mishehu: hell if I know why the audigy works
[05:06:43] mchou: cause it doesnt work right in windows :)
[05:06:44] SlicerDicer-: it just does lol
[05:07:17] mishehu: hmm no, it's dynamically linked.
[05:07:52] mishehu: SlicerDicer-: I have the same result with another firewire controller that i've tried.
[05:08:00] mchou: mishehu: when was your last myth compil & install?
[05:08:05] SlicerDicer-: but mishehu the guide xris read of jarods for the firewire stuff says that some work and some dont
[05:08:05] mchou: compile*
[05:08:05] mishehu: SlicerDicer-: you didn't patch your kernel or anything?
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[05:08:22] mishehu: mchou: about 4 or so days ago I think. 0.18.1 -> 0.19.
[05:08:32] mishehu: *not* cvs/svn latest.
[05:08:40] mchou: SlicerDicer-: huh?? where does jarod say that?
[05:08:44] SlicerDicer-: mishehu: umm no I compiled everything in for firewire when I built the myth system on the idea that I would be building on firewire support
[05:08:50] SlicerDicer-: mchou: hang on
[05:09:25] SlicerDicer-: The on-board FireWire on an Asus board I have didn't work worth a damn, but the FireWire port on my SoundBlaster Audigy works great, as does a Western Digital-branded PCI FireWire card (NEC OrangeLink chipset), which is what I'm using in production now.
[05:09:28] mchou: mishehu: seriously, try another firewire cable :)
[05:09:32] SlicerDicer-: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php#video
[05:09:35] mishehu: be back in a min, need to brush my teeth.
[05:09:44] mishehu: mchou: seriously, I've tried 3 so far.
[05:09:45] mchou: mishehu: differntial signaling is a bitch
[05:10:07] mishehu: 2 I had laying aorun the house, the third I bought yesterday.
[05:10:16] SlicerDicer-: mchou: see where he said that?
[05:10:24] SlicerDicer-: mchou: but some onboard dont work apparently
[05:10:40] mchou: SlicerDicer-: you referring to 1394??
[05:10:43] mishehu: must brush teeth.
[05:10:45] SlicerDicer-: yep
[05:11:26] mchou: SlicerDicer-: please quote here if you can, cause I dont see it.....
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[05:11:36] SlicerDicer-: I quoted it
[05:11:47] SlicerDicer-: You'll obviously need a FireWire card in the box you want to hook your cable box to, but note that not all FireWire cards are created equal (or at least not all work equally well under Linux). The on-board FireWire on an Asus board I have didn't work worth a damn, but the FireWire port on my SoundBlaster Audigy works great, as does a Western Digital-branded PCI FireWire card (NEC OrangeLink chipset), which is what I'm using in production no
[05:11:47] SlicerDicer-: w.
[05:11:53] mchou: you quoted me "Video" section
[05:11:59] banyan: What do I have to do to the master backend to open it up to clients from other machines?
[05:11:59] SlicerDicer-: look above it
[05:12:00] SlicerDicer-: haha
[05:12:05] SlicerDicer-: I quoted then linked
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[05:12:39] SlicerDicer-: mchou: what I am getting at is not all firewire is created equal is what he said
[05:12:44] SlicerDicer-: so that may be the issue mishehu is having
[05:13:13] mchou: SlicerDicer-: that I agree with. but it's a stretch to imply some dont work :)
[05:13:31] mchou: even my crappy via 1394 chip works
[05:13:39] SlicerDicer-: mchou: understood
[05:13:43] mchou: and that has to be the shits
[05:14:02] mchou: cant imagine one worse :)
[05:14:31] SlicerDicer-: hehe
[05:14:32] SlicerDicer-: I can!
[05:14:34] mchou: SlicerDicer-: and keep in mind mishehu has three 1394 cards :)
[05:14:40] SlicerDicer-: mchou: I was not aware
[05:14:48] mchou: and he got them working in windoze :)
[05:15:04] SlicerDicer-: maybe windoze infectorized it ;-)
[05:15:05] mchou: at least one working in windoze
[05:15:24] mchou: that may be a DISTINCT possibility :)
[05:15:28] SlicerDicer-: lol
[05:15:45] SMDBlink: is there a tutorial for mythweb somewhere?
[05:16:16] mishehu: mchou: actually, it was an audigy 2zs firewire on another machine that worked. I forgot that I got a good test on a different machine... s lipped my mind that hte mythbox only runs linux. maybe it's the damn machine?
[05:16:45] mchou: mishehu: lol. you just lost all credibility
[05:16:51] SlicerDicer-: lol
[05:16:52] SlicerDicer-: indeed
[05:17:14] mishehu: hey, I'm working on about 3 hours sleep here
[05:17:17] mchou: mishehu: troubleshoot one thing at a time :)
[05:17:18] mishehu: gimme a break. heh.
[05:17:32] mishehu: mchou: yeah, I found out that the cable box appears to work.
[05:17:47] mchou: mishehu: dont be like GWB and go for the nuclear option :)
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[05:18:07] mishehu: nah, but I needed to eliminate the cablebox as the source of the problem.
[05:18:21] mchou: bah.
[05:18:48] mishehu: so at the moment in my mush mind, the problem is either that machine or specific install...
[05:18:51] mchou: mishehu: maybe the windows machine NUKEd the STB firmware :)
[05:19:06] mishehu: mchou: stb firmware?
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[05:19:18] mishehu: is there a firmware I've been missing all along?
[05:19:19] mchou: set top box firmware
[05:19:39] BBlinkk: apparently i suck at installing mythweb
[05:19:54] mchou: firewire is essentialy remote DMA :)
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[05:20:54] rawdlite: BBlinkk: whats yur problem ?
[05:21:36] BBlinkk: Database Setup Error
[05:21:36] mishehu: ugh. anyway, I am about to crash and burn again
[05:21:40] mishehu: must. sleep.
[05:21:42] mishehu: now.
[05:21:46] mishehu: 'night folks
[05:21:47] BBlinkk: The database environment variables are not correctly set in the
[05:21:47] BBlinkk: included .htaccess file.
[05:21:56] BBlinkk: but they are
[05:22:42] rawdlite: yes i remember i did a dirty hack and set them elsewhere
[05:23:00] rawdlite: you want me to take a look
[05:23:15] BBlinkk: for your hack?
[05:23:26] banyan: Hm, is there a way to set up a permanent but selective hole in my iptables for mysql?
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[05:25:08] dscoular: banyan: yes but I wouldn't... I just ssh when I need to.
[05:25:22] SlicerDicer-: woooo 112 deps for mythtv hehe
[05:25:24] rawdlite: i run in the same problem, now i try to remeber what i did
[05:25:29] SlicerDicer-: thats just part of it too lol
[05:25:35] banyan: Well, I need to make sure that the front and back can always connect.
[05:26:16] dscoular: banyan: you could just port forward with a long running ssh: http://chxo.com/be2/20040511_5667.html
[05:26:37] rawdlite: BBlinkk: one thing i somehow had a htaccess file but apache was configured to use .htaccess
[05:27:14] dscoular: banyan: opening up iptables means that you are only as secure as your mysql passwords. mythtv/mythtv@mythconverg ain't gonna cut it methinks ;)
[05:27:29] BBlinkk: but mines got a .htaccess file
[05:28:15] banyan: Can a person not tell 192.168.0.4 that it should allow access to 192.168.0.5 on port blah blah blah?
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[05:28:44] banyan: I don't completely get iptables. It's not something I have focused on.
[05:28:48] rawdlite: BBlinkk: and this is the one your apache is using ?
[05:28:58] BBlinkk: how would i check that?
[05:29:21] dscoular: banyan: Yes... but if your mysql passwords are weak it's not a great idea.
[05:29:35] rawdlite: BBlinkk: change something in the file and see if it has an effect
[05:29:39] banyan: This is behind a firewall.
[05:30:28] mchou: mythcommflag can be run from even a (remote) front end, correct? (assuming the recordings are accible over nfs)
[05:30:29] dscoular: banyan: not if you "set up a permanent but selective hole in my
[05:30:30] dscoular: iptables for mysql"
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[05:30:52] banyan: It's behind another firewall.
[05:31:22] BBlinkk: rawdlite: anything i change in the file wont effect that page
[05:31:42] banyan: I have two linux boxes running iptables, on a private network behind a dlink firewall.
[05:32:35] rawdlite: BBlinkk: you could change AuthName 
[05:32:43] mchou: heh, never mind. just found out it works :)
[05:33:34] BBlinkk: ah ok
[05:34:55] BBlinkk: the authname was commented out
[05:35:05] BBlinkk: and i uncommented it, and it still gives me the same page
[05:35:49] dscoular: banyan: ah... sorry... in that case you sure just open up the mysql port on the backend.
[05:36:06] dscoular: banyan: s/you sure/yeah sure/
[05:36:18] banyan: which is done by adding an accept rule...
[05:36:25] rawdlite: BBlinkk: are you asked for a password ?
[05:36:29] BBlinkk: nope
[05:36:29] dscoular: banyan: which distro are you using.
[05:36:34] banyan: fc5
[05:36:43] rawdlite: restart your browser
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[05:37:46] dscoular: Ah ok, just fire up system-config-securitylevel
[05:37:59] khert: hey, what's the best way to record from my tv to my laptop? is there a piece of hardware that i can use to digitize the tv signal?
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[05:38:44] khert: anyone?
[05:39:05] dscoular: banyan: open up port 3306 assuming this m/c will always be protected by your firewall.
[05:39:11] BBlinkk: still nothin :(
[05:39:12] khert: do i have to buy an external video card?
[05:39:52] dscoular: khert: usb would be the go methinks.
[05:40:00] khert: how so?
[05:40:07] rawdlite: maybe your apache setup is not configured to check for htaccess file ?
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[05:40:15] khert: usb to what?
[05:40:18] BBlinkk: it is, i just checked
[05:40:28] dscoular: khert: there are loads of usb based TV tuners. PCMCIA are few and expensive.
[05:40:32] BBlinkk: AccessFileName .htaccess
[05:41:05] rawdlite: you could try phpinfo in mythweb.php that gives you some info
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[05:42:41] ShockValue: anyone good with screen resolutions? Im trying to figure out how to get my xorg to do 1080i without blowing up my screen :)
[05:42:59] dscoular: BBlinkk: is php enable on your web server ?
[05:43:10] kormoc: ShockValue, what do you mean?
[05:43:45] BBlinkk: dscoular: yeah
[05:43:58] BBlinkk: dscoular: im checkin the allowoverride option in apache right now
[05:44:07] ShockValue: meaning, i'd like to run mythtv in 1080i
[05:44:17] ShockValue: but, im not sure what I'd need to put in my xorg.conf
[05:44:22] rawdlite: BBlinkk: that is a good trail
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[05:44:36] BBlinkk: freakin a
[05:44:38] BBlinkk: that was it
[05:44:40] BBlinkk: i think
[05:44:46] BBlinkk: its askin me for a password now
[05:45:01] rawdlite: BBlinkk: 8)
[05:45:55] BBlinkk: Error
[05:45:55] BBlinkk: data directory is not writable by apache. Please check permissions.
[05:46:01] BBlinkk: which directory would that be...
[05:46:29] dscoular: BBlinkk: the mythweb readme tells you that you have to make certain directories writable by the apache process.
[05:47:02] rawdlite: BBlinkk: check the errorlog
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[05:47:21] BBlinkk: sorry it didnt come with a readme, i got it from portage, and i just found a readme on the net
[05:47:41] ShockValue: am i SOL? :)
[05:48:18] dscoular: It's probably talking about '/var/www/localhost/htdocs/mythweb/data'
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[05:49:17] dscoular: BBlinkk: drwxrwxr-x 4 apache apache 240 Feb 18 18:24 data
[05:49:28] BBlinkk: ah ok the actual data folder
[05:49:37] BBlinkk: directory*
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[05:52:56] BBlinkk: hmm...
[05:53:03] BBlinkk: what keys are unmapped?
[05:53:25] AlmtyBob: Is there any sort of windows mythtv frontend?
[05:53:40] BBlinkk: is there like a string of them that are unused, or do i need to find individual ones
[05:53:48] dscoular: BBlinkk: no idea what your talking about, sorry.
[05:54:03] BBlinkk: keys that are unused that i can assign to other functions
[05:54:56] dscoular: BBlinkk: are you talking about your remote control keys ? you've moved on from talking about mythweb ?
[05:55:35] BBlinkk: well i needed mythweb to change keybindings for jumppoints
[05:55:48] BBlinkk: soryr
[05:55:52] dscoular: AlmtyBob: there was one on sourceforge.net but I'm not sure it works with the latest 0.19 mythtv.
[05:55:59] AlmtyBob: thanks
[05:56:14] rawdlite: BBlinkk: be carefull there easy to mess your system up
[05:56:25] dscoular: BBlinkk: Sorry, I dunno... I always hand edit the lircrc. I've never used the mythweb thingy.
[05:56:43] rawdlite: i find it easier to use a db interface
[05:56:58] dscoular: rawdlite: you da man!
[05:58:15] BBlinkk: ok well maybe u could tell me this, does ^S work for "control-S" in lircrc?
[05:58:46] Anduin: BBlinkk: QKeySequence format.
[05:59:03] dscoular: BBlinkk: are you trying to receive a ^S or send one ?
[05:59:11] BBlinkk: send one
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[06:01:37] dscoular: BBlinkk: The only control key mentioned in keys.txt is Ctrl+B.
[06:01:55] dscoular: BBlinkk: Sending a ^S wouldn't mean anything to mythtv as far as I can see.
[06:02:56] BBlinkk: if i set a jumppoint for it, it will
[06:03:47] dscoular: BBlinkk: so are you saying you want to RECEIVE a ^S and send it to a jumppoint ?
[06:04:45] BBlinkk: well i want to set a button on my remote to send a ^S but im not sure what to put in the lircrc for it
[06:05:12] dscoular: But a ^S is meaningless to mythtv according to keys.txt.
[06:06:27] BBlinkk: but if i bind ^S to LiveTV it will do something
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[06:07:05] Anduin: BBlinkk: Have you tried Ctrl+S?
[06:07:16] dscoular: BBlinkk: your ahead of me... sorry... dunno how to help... looking through the lirc source right now.
[06:07:41] Anduin: The text for the keys is handled by myth, not lirc.
[06:08:49] dscoular: BBlinkk: ctrl-s should work in lircrc
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[06:09:35] SeSphore: what exaclty is IVTV support help with myhttv?
[06:10:00] dscoular: SeSphore: It's the driver for the PVR-xxx series of analogue tv capture cards.
[06:10:39] SeSphore: ya i have the Hapuaggue pvr-350
[06:10:46] SeSphore: so you're saying it would be wise to install it
[06:11:17] dscoular: SeSphore: I would imagine yes.
[06:11:29] SeSphore: but isn't used just to "boot" using the S-VIDEO ?
[06:11:39] hashbang: Servo888: unless your distro's kernel already comes with an up-to-date version.
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[06:13:03] dscoular: SeSphore: I think you are confusing a couple of things: you need the ivtv drivers if you want to access your pvr-350. Mythtv can be configured to use the driver to output via the S-VIDEO port in case your video card can't do tv-out.
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[06:14:13] dscoular: SeSphore: First get your pvr-350 working via cat /dev/video0 > file as per the driver doco found at ivtvdriver.org
[06:14:42] dscoular: SeSphore: Then once you know it's working decide whether you need to output to your TV via your video card or via the pvr-350.
[06:15:11] dscoular: SeSphore: if you want to output via the pvr-350 (which can be a pain apparently)... then enable that in mythtv.
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[06:15:19] AngryElf: sometimes i want to break myth: right now i can irex start myth, but once inside the remote does nothing, but if i keyboard to dvd (which starts xine) then the remote works fine
[06:15:36] AngryElf: this is using the exact same ~/.lircrc and ~/.mythtv/lircrc files from another FE that works perfectly
[06:16:04] AngryElf: obviously it's something to do with ~/.mythtv/lircrc but the permissions are the same as the working box
[06:16:44] dscoular: AngryElf: could be an X focus issue perhaps
[06:18:40] AngryElf: all the stuff in ~/.mythtv/lircrc is "program = mythtv" so i doubt that :(
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[06:25:33] JoeyJoeJo: I've recently changed my backend's hostname, and I had to re-add my tuner card. The problem is that now I have 2 tuners, 1 of which doesn't exist. Mythweb says "Encoder 1 is remote on localhost (not currently connected), Encoder 2 is on mythtv and is not currently recording"
[06:25:48] JoeyJoeJo: how do I take off the one that it says is not currently connected?
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[06:30:38] dscoular: JoeyJoeJo: I think in mythtvsetup (or whatever its actually called) you can hit the "m" key in the card definition screen and a menu will pop up and let you delete the currently selected card.
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[06:36:56] Erol: morning
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[06:47:04] JoeyJoeJo: dscoular: the problem is that only the one working card is listed in there
[06:47:58] SeSphore: dscoular, but so itvtv is not needed if i'm not going to use the svideo output right?
[06:49:36] Erol: anyone here with two PVR-150 in the same box ?
[06:50:02] kormoc: SeSphore, ivtv also controls the recording from the card
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[06:55:00] SeSphore: ohh crap
[06:55:09] SeSphore: i guess i do need the recording aslpect
[06:55:11] SeSphore: aspect
[06:55:48] SeSphore: i think the linux machinge downstiars crashed, but i'm too lazy to go down and reboot it, must sleep
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[06:59:07] ip_goat_rodeo: that's what lights out management boards are for
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[07:12:47] Erol: got 2 pvr-150 cards, they are on different IRQ's but when watching with Picture in Picture I get ivtv warning: IRQ: IVTV_IRQ_DEC_DMA_ERR
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[07:23:35] k-man: anyone had trouble with mythgame since upgrading from 0.18 to 0.19?
[07:24:02] Erol: trouble like ?
[07:24:26] k-man: well... as soon as i select mythgame, the mythtv front end crashes
[07:24:35] hashbang: oopsie.
[07:27:58] k-man: what is a lights out management board for?
[07:28:54] hashbang: k-man: allows you to manage a computer whilst it's turned off
[07:28:54] hashbang: k-man: by having a frontend processor that's always on
[07:29:07] k-man: oh?
[07:29:17] k-man: weird
[07:29:21] k-man: is that a server thing?
[07:29:27] hashbang: not really, mainframes have been doing it for years.
[07:29:31] k-man: oh
[07:29:41] k-man: so what can you do with your mamagement board?
[07:29:42] hashbang: PeeCees are just catching up.
[07:29:44] k-man: like reboot it etc?
[07:29:59] hashbang: k-man: power cycle, check network interfaces, hardware diagnostics...
[07:30:07] k-man: oh
[07:30:08] k-man: ok
[07:30:10] k-man: nice
[07:30:22] hashbang: k-man: the Sun/Newisys Opteron systems have them. They're a MIPS processor running Linux. :-)
[07:30:29] hashbang: or was it ARM?
[07:30:31] k-man: are the management boards typicaly plugged into the network?
[07:30:31] hashbang: whatever.
[07:30:37] hashbang: or serial.
[07:30:46] hashbang: or a modem.
[07:30:49] k-man: oh
[07:30:50] k-man: i see
[07:30:54] k-man: interesting
[07:31:00] hashbang: out-of-band management is generally a good idea.
[07:31:42] k-man: yeah
[07:31:47] k-man: makes sense
[07:31:56] k-man: anyway, gtg
[07:34:34] AlmtyBob: just out of curiousity, could you pringles-can-antenna mythtv over a decent distance?
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[07:43:48] traxmac: anyone awake
[07:47:16] Erol: seems that everyone is sleeping
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[07:58:01] ivor: AlmtyBob: unlikely you'd get the speed over any distance.
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[07:59:20] SlicerDicer-: AlmtyBob: wifi sucks get a long ethernet cable :) I have 100ft cables to do wired around my house with gigabit far nicer hehe
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[08:07:35] Erol: I got 2 pvr-150 cards, they are on different IRQ's but when watching with Picture in Picture I get ivtv warning: IRQ: IVTV_IRQ_DEC_DMA_ERR?? any ideas please
[08:20:28] AlmtyBob: SlicerDicer: was thinking more like a quarter mile
[08:20:34] AlmtyBob: a little beyond Cat5's reach
[08:21:00] SlicerDicer-: ahh
[08:21:11] AlmtyBob: I really was just curious, I don't know anyone that lives within 5 miles of me or so
[08:21:15] AlmtyBob: definitely not in LoS
[08:21:33] AlmtyBob: anyone know why my xbmc is having issues playing files over smb?
[08:21:40] AlmtyBob: they play on my laptop over smb just fine
[08:21:57] AlmtyBob: but xbmc does nothing or crashes as soon as I select the file
[08:22:03] AlmtyBob: they play fine if I copy them to my xbox's hdd
[08:23:35] d64: i find it unlikely you would get sufficient speeds, at least with usual wlan systems
[08:24:05] d64: even though with antennas it is possible to get connections over fairly long distances
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[08:25:19] eiggirC: SlicerDicer-: 11 Mbit is not enough for myth.... you need 36 Mbit minimum normally.
[08:25:28] eiggirC: thats wireless
[08:25:30] AlmtyBob: really?
[08:25:34] eiggirC: 10 Mbit wired ethernet may be okay
[08:25:41] eiggirC: in my experience yes.
[08:25:42] AlmtyBob: I stream 720p video to xbmc all the time
[08:25:46] AlmtyBob: with no issues 8/
[08:25:54] SlicerDicer-: eiggirC: shooting wireless beyond 10ft sucks
[08:25:55] AlmtyBob: err nm
[08:25:58] eiggirC: good on ya.
[08:25:58] AlmtyBob: I'm 802.11g
[08:26:02] SlicerDicer-: it drops to 2mbit if your lucky
[08:26:11] eiggirC: yeah g is up to 54 Mbit
[08:26:14] SlicerDicer-: I have 2 access points that set around as garbage 802.11g
[08:26:21] eiggirC: g'ngith
[08:26:21] AlmtyBob: yah I spaced on that
[08:26:26] SlicerDicer-: wana buy them eiggirC they are still in the original boxes lol
[08:26:33] SlicerDicer-: they suck though
[08:26:42] SlicerDicer-: linksys access points
[08:26:47] eiggirC: SlicerDicer-: sure
[08:26:48] AlmtyBob: I need some more bridges
[08:26:53] eiggirC: SlicerDicer-: $2.50 NZ
[08:27:00] eiggirC: you pay freight to New Zealand :)
[08:27:06] SlicerDicer-: lol
[08:27:18] eiggirC: (probably $100 US each)
[08:27:37] eiggirC: anyway – g'night
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[09:18:46] Juski: morning
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[09:19:35] Erol: morning
[09:20:29] stuarta: morning
[09:21:05] Juski: good bank holiday weekend?
[09:21:15] stuarta: computer free :)
[09:21:22] Erol: juski, weren't you the one with 2 PVR-150's ?
[09:21:26] Juski: same here, more or less
[09:21:38] Juski: Erol: no. 2 DVB-T tuners & one PVR150
[09:22:00] Erol: sorry, case of mistaken identity :)
[09:22:05] Juski: at the weekend I was mostly doing hard physical labour ;-)
[09:22:26] Erol: anyone here got 2 PVR's and saw something like IVTV_IRQ_DEC_DMA_ERR in the logs ?
[09:23:13] Juski: Erol: Via chipset?
[09:23:22] Erol: nforce2
[09:23:39] Erol: both card's are on different IRQ's
[09:24:08] Erol: i think that having 2 PVR150's is the same like having one PVR500, so maybe someone had that problem ?
[09:24:37] Juski: I think it's a relatively common thing. search the ivtv mailing list
[09:25:25] Erol: did that allready, but couldn't find a thing, maybe my english is not good enough to find the right thing
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[09:28:12] Juski: http://ivtvdriver.org/trac/ticket/54
[09:28:54] Juski: and here: //www.mail-archive.com/ivtv-devel@ivtvdriver.org/msg02136.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mail-archive.com/ivtv-devel@ivtvdr . . . sg02136.html
[09:29:13] Juski: google for the exact message – that gets results ;-)
[09:30:22] Erol: tnx
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[09:32:33] Erol: unfortunately that didn't help, could it be that the problem is APIC ?
[09:33:06] Juski: Erol: the cards may well be on their own IRQs but sometimes they can still share IRQs with other hardware. disable all unneccessary features on your motherboard – that can help (parallel port, floppy, etc)
[09:33:15] Juski: APIC could also be the problem
[09:33:30] Erol: no sharing, one IVTV is on IRQ 20 the other is on 21
[09:34:11] Erol: i shuffled the cards until i got them on separate irq's
[09:34:27] Juski: ahhh
[09:34:53] stuarta: i wish I could achieve the same...
[09:35:05] Juski: hopefully PCI express will solve this kind of problem forever, but there still aren't many PCI express tuners yet
[09:35:31] Juski: and you can be sure that if IRQ problems are a thing of the past there'll be other issues to deal with ;-)
[09:35:42] stuarta: I'd like to know if you can stick proper PCI-X cards in PCI+X graphics slots.
[09:35:48] Erol: hehe, there's always going to be something
[09:36:13] Juski: PCI+X? PCI-X ?
[09:36:17] Juski: ???!?!
[09:36:29] stuarta: short for PCI express
[09:36:44] Juski: but there's a plus and a minus now? wtf?
[09:36:47] Erol: with one card everything worked fine, but when I put the 2nd in, I get these stutterrings and those damn kernel messages
[09:36:50] stuarta: sorry PCI+X was meant to be PCI-X
[09:36:58] Erol: is there maybe IVTV channel on the IRC?
[09:37:10] d64: hmm
[09:37:12] d64: "PCI-X changes the protocol slightly and increases the data rate to 133 MHz (peak transfer rate of 1066 MB/s)"
[09:37:14] d64: ie not pci-express
[09:37:38] stuarta:
[09:37:51] d64: to my knowledge pci-x cards look about the same as regular pci cards
[09:37:52] Juski: Erol: #ivtv-devel I think
[09:38:13] Juski: ghost IRC channel.. the mary celeste of IRC
[09:39:06] stuarta: d64: slots look the same too AFAICT
[09:40:44] Juski: it's funny. when I was in school, we were always told parallel was faster. now it's the other way round. I wonder if it'll ever go back
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[09:41:02] stuarta: i'd put money on it.
[09:42:14] Juski: how about fibre optical busses hmm? use cheap plastic lightpipes instead of all these daft jumper boards :-P
[09:42:35] stuarta: fibre is still parallel :)
[09:42:48] Juski: kind of
[09:42:54] stuarta: but then again so is copper.
[09:43:19] Juski: the protocol isn't though :-P
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[09:44:29] stuarta: blimey, pci-X-533, big step up from the original pci-x-66
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[10:38:08] stuarta: nice discussion of the various pci's http://tomshardware.co.uk/2005/11/23/pci_express_battles_pciuk/
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[10:44:54] Juski: pci-x etc is one thing – I need to get genned up on SATA soon
[10:45:11] Juski: as in the protocol & stuff – properly up to my eyeballs
[10:45:37] stuarta: http://www.pcisig.com/specifications/pcix_20/ <- start here
[11:00:04] Juski: ah, so PCI-X is still parallel but uses up to 4 data state changes per clock
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[11:00:41] Juski: as opposed to PCI-E which uses serial signalling with up to 4 'lanes' per backplane socket
[11:00:48] Juski: <penny drops>
[11:00:55] stuarta: 16 in the case of x16
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[11:01:26] Juski: d'oh yeh of course
[11:01:35] stuarta: just reading a comparison of SATA & PATA.
[11:02:07] stuarta: seems the clock rate was bumped up to 1.5G to "compensate" for the lack of parallelism.
[11:02:26] Juski: I've read one of them today – didn't go into much detail though. I have to evaluate a SATA protocol analyser soon so I need to know what's going on at a very low level
[11:02:53] Juski: this 'out of band signalling' bit is gonna cause me headaches I think
[11:03:08] psofa: can someone tell me why the time of the recordings is messed up? when i setup a manual record for example it records at the time i told it but when i watch the recordings or i see the scedule the time is completely wrong
[11:03:18] stuarta: how about the encoding that sends 10bits in 8bits??
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[11:42:06] hashbang: Juski: I'd say the future for fast buses is serial, as you don't have to contend with skew between the many data lines.
[11:42:35] applejack: hey guys,... anyone know how to get the remote control included with the dvico fusionhdtv adapter working?
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[12:07:41] Lycan^: guys can the lircrc file accept function keys? ie F1-F12?
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[12:09:45] Hotwheelz: is anyone here using the fusion dvb-t dual card? this POS is not working
[12:09:54] Hotwheelz: trying to get it to work in Knoppmyth
[12:10:11] Hotwheelz: just another windows n00b trying to use linux
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[12:11:51] Juski: I've heard that getting anything DVB working in knoppmyth can be a bit of a battle
[12:12:02] Juski: try in #knoppmyth – see if anyone can help there
[12:17:33] Merlin83b: Worked for me :-)
[12:17:58] Merlin83b: That said, I've failed ot transfer my existing installation onto a new hard disk so I think I'll install from scratch and probably something no Knoppy.
[12:18:24] Juski: Hotwheelz: http://www.itee.uq.edu.au/~chrisp/Linux-DVB/DVICO/
[12:18:52] Juski: looks like you'd need the DVB drivers from linuxtv CVS.. (probably merurial now)
[12:19:39] Merlin83b: Hi Juski.
[12:19:50] Juski: hiya Merlin83b :-) how goes it?
[12:20:11] Merlin83b: Pretty good thanks, yourself? Still hating the commute?
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[12:21:03] Juski: Merlin83b: we haven't moved yet. that happens in Auguest sometime
[12:21:15] Merlin83b: Oh right, thought you had, somehow.
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[12:21:34] Juski: busy at home renovating my bathroom. got the new suite fully functional on sunday night
[12:22:04] Merlin83b: Were you without amenities for any length of time?
[12:22:53] Juski: nah – we got the new loo in on Friday afternoon
[12:23:04] Merlin83b: Cool :-)
[12:23:09] Juski: were without bath & shower for a day
[12:23:29] Juski: still without a shower, but we need to put tiles up before that can be done
[12:23:38] Juski: it's plumbed & wired though ;-)
[12:24:06] Merlin83b: Nice.
[12:24:17] Merlin83b: Making a rough decision to move out of Manchester to the burbs next year.
[12:24:56] Juski: nice, yes. having to cut bricks to fit the waste pipes into new positions was no fun
[12:25:08] Juski: the burbs? didsbury? ;-)
[12:26:18] psofa: for some reason myth records a channel weekly and i dont know how to stop it
[12:26:26] Merlin83b: Was thining more Westerly, Monton or Walkden or Worsley – that kind of area.
[12:27:00] Merlin83b: Just inside the M60, just North of the M602.
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[12:28:26] Juski: I know the approx. area, Merlin83b
[12:28:40] psofa: can someone help me? how can i see what schedule does myth have for manual records?
[12:28:53] Merlin83b: psofa: Do you have MythWeb?
[12:29:23] psofa: Merlin83b, no
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[12:29:30] psofa: how do i do it from the gui
[12:29:35] Merlin83b: I'm not sure, sorry.
[12:29:35] Juski: psofa: prolly easier to deal with mythweb
[12:29:40] psofa: for some reason myth records weekly
[12:29:44] psofa: and i can stop it
[12:29:53] psofa: the gui is confusing
[12:30:26] ** Juski thinks **
[12:30:39] psofa: if i go schedule recordings
[12:30:46] psofa: and go manual schedule
[12:30:46] Juski: there's the upcoming recordings list
[12:31:01] psofa: i can only define new schedule
[12:31:09] psofa: if i go upcoming recordings
[12:31:18] psofa: i can only tell it not to record this day
[12:31:29] psofa: not to delete the entire weekly schedule
[12:31:33] Juski: you should be able to set it to _never_ record
[12:32:11] psofa: Juski, ok i set it to never record
[12:32:19] psofa: but i still have a list in the upcoming recording
[12:32:21] psofa: s
[12:32:55] psofa: hmm
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[12:33:14] psofa: never record wont work
[12:33:16] psofa: however
[12:33:21] psofa: if i go to options
[12:33:24] psofa: and set it from there
[12:33:29] psofa: i finally got rid of it
[12:33:30] psofa: :D
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[12:36:20] psofa: now the only thing to fix is the damn time. When i tell myth to record from 10.30–11.00 for example: the title will have the correct time .however the time details are completely wrong
[12:36:23] psofa: i dont get it
[12:37:16] Juski: how do you mean completely wrong?
[12:37:34] psofa: i really havnt found a pattern :D
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[12:37:53] psofa: but ill try now that ive cleared up the recordings mess
[12:37:56] mmead: so is there something inherently bad about using the XT-PIC instead of APIC? I'm seeing half the cpu usage for software decoding 1080i using "noapic", and I'm curious if doing so will cause any issues elsewhere
[12:40:01] mchou: mmead: trust me, XT-PIC is MUCH more reliable
[12:40:23] mchou: APIC causes inderteminism
[12:40:34] mchou: indeterminism*
[12:40:43] mmead: mchou: is that hardware issues or the linux kernel's inability to program the APIC properly?
[12:41:22] mchou: you can verify that by bzip2 -tvv somefile.tar.bz2 REPEATLY
[12:41:41] mchou: wont get the same results every time
[12:42:12] Merlin83b: Oh, Juski. I got our Dell rep to knock a pile of money off the 30" LCD monitors :-)
[12:42:20] Merlin83b: Just need a graphics card and computer that can drive it now...
[12:42:27] mchou: mmead: so far we are not clear if that's "bad HW" or "bad SW"
[12:42:52] mmead: mchou: interesting
[12:43:40] Juski: Merlin83b: heh. nice work if you can get it. what kinda discount did you get?
[12:44:09] mmead: mchou: gonna pick up a FW STB today
[12:44:11] Merlin83b:
[12:44:17] Juski: whoah!
[12:44:18] mchou: mmead: good deal
[12:44:28] mchou: Merlin83b: send some over here :)
[12:44:43] mmead: mchou: any general info on how you combine PVR-350 w/FW into a "single" tuner so you can capture svid or FW depending on channel?
[12:44:43] Merlin83b: Helps that I'm ordering about 7–8k of other stuff at the same time, and we're a regular medium sized order customer :-)
[12:44:58] psofa: Juski, shouldnt a manual recording appear in upcoming recordings?
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[12:45:14] mchou: mmead: oh, that will take me too long to explain.
[12:45:22] mmead: mchou: sigh :/
[12:45:31] mmead: mchou: it sounds like a nice solution
[12:45:32] Juski: psofa: I think so, but only as the show name.. don't know for sure
[12:45:39] mchou: mmead: basically you want two tuners to be at the same priority.
[12:45:44] Juski: ahhh.. manual recordings might be in a different group...
[12:46:02] mmead: mchou: oh, I think I see where this is going... nuff said – thanks
[12:46:06] psofa: Juski, lol im so lost
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[12:48:52] Juski: psofa: why can't you just use the programme guide normally?
[12:49:18] psofa: Juski, i dont have a guide
[12:49:21] psofa: :)
[12:50:24] Juski: why?
[12:50:32] psofa: btw about the time thing: it seems it types time 3 hours sooner than when i tell it
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[12:51:49] psofa: Juski, and ive found out that this is the reason they dont appear on upcoming recordings
[12:52:02] psofa: its because of the messed up time
[12:52:46] mchou: mythcommflag just seg faulted on my HDTV recording
[12:53:12] mchou: sigh
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[12:55:00] mmead: mchou: hmm, I have seen that too
[12:55:48] mchou: damn, I might just cave and get the comcast pvr of $5 more
[12:55:59] mchou: s/of/for
[12:56:33] mchou: myth has been fun but it's too much admin
[12:56:45] mmead: mchou: yep
[12:56:55] mmead: mchou: there is a point at which your time adds up and you wonder what the heck you're doing
[12:57:13] mchou: and if commflag if borked then there's lil point
[12:57:16] mmead: mchou: in man-years invested, I have far surprassed that point :)
[12:57:16] Merlin83b: But when it works it's great. I haven't had to admin it at all for weeks.
[12:57:21] mchou: s/if/is
[12:57:57] mchou: of course I've heard those STB pvr have issues too.
[12:58:17] mmead: mchou: let me dig something up on the dish one :)
[12:58:23] Merlin83b: And then you have zero opportunity to do anything about it.
[12:58:42] mmead: Merlin83b: yes
[12:58:43] mchou: but you know tou can upgrade the storage in the comcast pvr yourself.....
[12:58:48] mchou: you*
[12:59:04] Merlin83b: I'm sure you can :-)
[12:59:12] mchou: but you have to take a crowbar to the STB pvr :)
[12:59:13] mmead: the nice thing about myth is the content is legally obtained through a valid dist channel, and you can do whatever you want with it for personal use, subject to no-one's drm
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[12:59:33] mmead: mchou: http://feeds.feedburner.com/boingboing/iBag?m=693
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[13:00:01] mchou: mmead: yeah, heard about that one
[13:00:16] mmead: mchou: that guy is a hypocrite for having the audacity to even complain
[13:00:43] mchou: heh, he was just too dense to recognize the consequences
[13:01:08] mmead: I haven't followed up, but my guess is that he will not have the intellectual honesty to admit his position was wrong.
[13:01:36] mchou: mmead: bah, ppl rationalize all sorts of things
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[13:01:58] mchou: mmead: you ever watch that shoe "House M.D.?"
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[13:02:03] mchou: show*
[13:02:05] mmead: mchou: no
[13:02:13] mchou: mmead: ohh, watch it
[13:02:23] mchou: mmead: it's a great show
[13:02:32] mmead: mchou: the ads for it always make it look like contrived drama with forced "must rationalize" situations
[13:02:40] mchou: mmead: if you're into character studies
[13:02:49] mmead: mchou: yeah, I can see that perspective on it
[13:03:06] mchou: mmead: the ads are cheesy, but the show is great
[13:03:16] mmead: mchou: I need to start grabbing more HD content
[13:03:25] mchou: I think it's better than "24"
[13:03:30] mmead: mchou: hmm
[13:03:48] mmead: mchou: I have trouble with picking up shows mid-stream – would have to go get the previous series from the library and catch up
[13:03:53] mchou: The writing is much more high level
[13:04:01] mchou: and so is the acting
[13:04:07] mmead: mchou: had to watch 3 seasons of 24 from library before doing that
[13:04:25] mmead: mchou: hehe... isn't 24 just an excuse to let keifer sutherland point guns and yell at everyone?
[13:04:35] mchou: mmead: house you should be able to jump in midstream, no problem
[13:04:48] mchou: mmead: my point exactly
[13:04:59] mmead: mchou: what night is house?
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[13:05:13] mchou: Tuesdays, I think
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[13:05:42] mchou: mmead: it's directed by the same guy who did "The Usual Suspects"
[13:05:49] mmead: mchou: wow, now that's cool
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[13:05:56] mmead: mchou: doh, it interferes with the unit
[13:06:01] mmead: mchou: time for my 2nd hd card to get here
[13:06:07] mchou: mmead: in fact, house has much of the same "flavor"
[13:06:38] mchou: mmead: the unit?? I heard that's terrible
[13:06:48] mchou: for david mamet :)
[13:07:00] mmead: mchou: he's the only reason I want to give it a shot
[13:07:06] mchou: of course I havent watched it yet....
[13:07:13] mmead: mchou: me either
[13:07:21] mmead: mchou: now if only F1 would come in HD :)
[13:08:03] ivor: mmead: it does in the rest of europe
[13:08:05] mchou: david mamet writes great dialog, but somehow that kind of writing would be lost on actors playing "jarheads" :)
[13:08:17] ivor: it's just ITV are too tight to pay the extra cost to bernie
[13:08:37] mmead: ivor: F1 in HD ... gawd, can I drool?
[13:09:06] ivor: I mean ITV only pay for a 4:3 feed for chrissake.
[13:09:43] mchou: mmead: I think my favorite Mamet movie has to be "Glengary, Glenross"
[13:09:45] mmead: ivor: CBS is carrying Imola, but it will just be SD stuffed into a 1080i stream
[13:09:45] stuarta: how small & wide would the cars look in 16:9 :)
[13:09:59] mmead: stuarta: they look tiny in person :)
[13:10:30] stuarta: I know.... :)
[13:11:45] mmead: stuarta: at the USGP they usually have a static display of last year's Williams car – amazing to crawl over
[13:12:32] stuarta: went to the Aus GP last year, going to British this year
[13:12:54] ivor: stuarta: nice. I went to the british a few years ago.
[13:12:58] ivor: wasn't great.
[13:13:20] ivor: remember the year there was the "flood and mud fiasco" ?
[13:13:23] ivor: ho hum.
[13:13:46] stuarta: ah, no wonder you prefer the nice warm loungeroom :)
[13:14:01] mchou: mmead: you know why they dont do F1 in HD in US?
[13:14:17] mmead: mchou: because americans cannot turn left
[13:14:22] mchou: mmead: short answer: NASCAR
[13:14:29] mchou: rednecks :)
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[13:15:51] mmead: if someone gave me a nascar ride I'd do it
[13:16:04] mmead: I'd rather be doing road racing, but getting paid to race is getting paid to race
[13:16:12] mchou: mmead: that's easy
[13:16:17] mmead: what is?
[13:16:22] mchou: you can do better than that.
[13:16:26] mchou: ride nascar
[13:16:29] mmead: heh
[13:16:42] mmead: I'm certain it takes skill, and lots of luck
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[13:16:48] mmead: I still prefer the road racing I do though :)
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[13:16:51] mchou: pay $600 and go to those driving schools
[13:17:05] mchou: drove viper on track
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[13:17:13] furfurfur: hey all. SVN server down?
[13:17:22] mchou: thing was uncontrollably fun
[13:17:30] mmead: I'd rather be in control :)
[13:17:33] mmead: I race Spec Miata
[13:17:42] mchou: doing donuts all around the track :)
[13:18:24] mchou: Miata?? that's rather dangerous
[13:18:31] mmead: mchou: how do you figure that?
[13:18:40] mchou: Miata is paper thin
[13:18:57] mmead: mchou: well, you're racing with other miatas, and you have at least a 6 point cage
[13:19:17] mmead: mchou: heavy doesn't mean safe, it means either: slow, or expensive
[13:19:28] mchou: true that
[13:19:38] mmead: for speed add lightness
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[13:19:46] sphing: mmead: lol
[13:19:53] praet: is putting /sbin/ in your patyh a bad idea?
[13:20:02] mmead: praet: only if you use RH
[13:20:17] praet: this is fedora so i guess so
[13:20:25] praet: what issues will happen
[13:20:26] mmead: praet: no, it should be fine
[13:20:37] mmead: praet: RH doesn't like to put it in there by default to protect you from system commands, I guess
[13:20:48] praet: oh security stuffs
[13:20:51] praet: thanks
[13:20:55] mmead: praet: yep
[13:21:09] ** praet never drove anything faster than a jeep **
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[13:22:02] mmead: the miata isn't fast ... at least not the 1.6l I race... but it's quick in the turns and when everyone else is prepped the same, it's highly competitive
[13:22:07] mchou: praet: gas at $3/gal is gonna change that habit soon :)
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[13:22:33] mchou: these days I ride bikes :)
[13:22:58] mmead: mchou: bicycle or motorcycle?
[13:23:04] mchou: mmead: both
[13:23:10] furfurfur: is anyone else having a prob with SVN?
[13:23:12] mchou: but actually more of the former
[13:23:17] mmead: mchou: motorcycles are scary :)
[13:23:28] mchou: mmead: true that
[13:23:30] mmead: mchou: I used to do all my errands and commuting on a bicycle... great exercise without having to think about it
[13:23:41] mchou: mmead: exactly the reason I do it
[13:24:02] mmead: mchou: now that I work at home I don't get that benefit from trying to do it
[13:24:37] d64: i'm planning to build a house in a place which is in a very ornery place commuting-wise.. so i've been planning on going back to bike commute
[13:24:42] mchou: mmead: yeah, you have to watch it. health & exercise become more important as you age
[13:24:49] d64: at that point i'll be so broke too that it'll be the only option
[13:25:05] mchou: d64: heh, no doubt
[13:25:20] laga:
[13:25:51] mchou: laga: but germany has good mass transit. Most of US does not
[13:25:52] mmead: laga: but that's because of your government's tax structure :)
[13:26:10] mmead: and mchou makes a good point – most places have no mass transit that is useful :(
[13:26:21] stuarta: furfurfur: what sort of problem?
[13:26:45] laga: mchou: our mass transit may be better, but i still consider it shitty ;)
[13:27:07] furfurfur: stuarta, "svn: REPORT of '/svn/!svn/vcc/default': 400 Bad Request (http://svn.mythtv.org)"
[13:27:34] mchou: laga: move over to US and I'm sure you'll miss German mass transit
[13:27:42] ivor: furfurfur: fine here. that an update or a new checkout?
[13:27:42] furfurfur: doing "svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0- . . . ythtv". It's either something basic on my end, or a server issue
[13:27:49] ivor: ah
[13:28:01] furfurfur: ivor, it's a new co – I've used svn before, just not for myth
[13:28:07] mchou: laga: you're simply taking that system for granted right now :)
[13:29:36] stuarta: furfurfur: it's updating okay so it's not the server
[13:30:06] furfurfur: stuarta, thanks. Will try on a different machine here
[13:31:07] laga: mchou: heh.
[13:32:23] stuarta: furfurfur: IIRC that is a squid misconfiguration between yourself and the server
[13:32:44] furfurfur: stuarta, Aha.. blast my transparent proxy. :)
[13:33:10] stuarta: how to fix it is in the svn faq
[13:33:24] furfurfur: ah, yes thinking about it, last time I used svn it was svn://something not http
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[13:37:11] mchou: Is this a good deal? http://newspaperads.mercurynews.com/ROP/ads.a . . . 36&type=
[13:37:23] mchou: upper right hand corner.
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[13:50:01] mmead: mchou: no idea
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[13:50:18] d64: depends on the cooling.. some of those shoebox machines run hot
[13:50:24] d64: hot or noisy
[13:50:41] mchou: it's amd64, cool and quiet
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[14:15:21] mmead: mchou: is it possible the APIC just causes some sort of timing issue in myth?
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[14:18:26] mchou: mmead: that's like asking if APIC causes timing issues in bzip2 -tvv
[14:18:39] mmead: mchou: heh
[14:18:50] mchou: i.e. misses the pt. completely
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[14:19:13] mmead: mchou: I don't fully understand why the noapic fixes it, so I'm just wondering
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[14:20:17] mchou: I've seen a lot of unstable linux systems that crash and indeterminate when APIC is on, and run for eons when APIC is off
[14:20:32] mchou: only difference
[14:20:38] mchou: same HW.
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[14:22:46] mishehu: I've never had problems with APIC
[14:22:48] mmead: mchou: very weird
[14:23:12] mchou: mishehu: lol. but you sure have problems with firewire :)
[14:23:28] mmead: mchou: what kernel were you recommending for reliable fw channel changing?
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[14:23:43] mishehu: mchou: I'm sure it's not APIC causing that problem. heh.
[14:24:33] mchou: I dont remember when the patch went in, but anything >=2.6.16 should be fine
[14:24:55] mchou: mishehu: then you've never seen any machines then
[14:25:34] mchou: the ratio in my experience is close to 10 to 1
[14:26:10] mchou: 10 systems unstable for every 1 system stable with APIC
[14:26:11] mishehu: damn, linux-2.6.16.7 is out now. what's with this 2.6.16...
[14:27:40] mishehu: mchou: sure it's not your hardware?  ;-) I have 10 servers (server grade equipment, not "it was a desktop now it's a server") that have APIC enabled, and all my desktops have it enabled (about another 7) running with APIC enabled too... not one is unstable... I just have a firewire problem, but that machine is a piece of crap anyway...
[14:27:47] mchou: heh, 2.6.16.7 might actually fix some problems
[14:28:06] mishehu: mchou: yeah, I"m going to try it on the crap machine with the fw issues.
[14:28:11] mchou: mishehu: I happen to work at Intel
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[14:29:03] mmead: mchou: latest deb 2.6.16 kernel is -1
[14:29:07] mishehu: mchou: then I guess I shouldn't tell you that I prefer amd64's these days.  ;-)
[14:29:18] mishehu: though I am using a centrino at the moment.
[14:29:40] mchou: mishehu: then you havent been paying attention. I've been a strong supporter of amd64 here
[14:29:40] Zider: I'm an intel fan :P
[14:29:57] mishehu: mchou: man, the grin means I'm kidding
[14:29:58] Zider: (not the kind that blows air)
[14:30:42] mishehu: mchou: have you been able to identify the conditions that cause the instability with the APIC on those linux machines?
[14:31:01] mchou: mishehu: quite frankly that's not my job
[14:31:29] mchou: but I keep in close contact with ppl who have that job :)
[14:32:05] ** haj likes AMD64.. but dislikes the motherboards :) **
[14:32:58] mmead: the via chipset does seem to have some issues
[14:33:01] mmead: at least under linux
[14:33:08] mmead: but the amd64 is nice :)
[14:36:50] haj: mmead: Abit UL8 works like sh*t with PVR-500 as well..
[14:37:29] mchou: haj: so what mobo you finally settle on?
[14:38:15] mchou: haj: I think you should get rid of of the pvr500
[14:38:34] haj: mchou: MSI K8N Neo2-FX.. and it started crashing after 4–5 days, but i think it's just a bad motherboard.. it does it both with the PVR and without it.
[14:38:45] mchou: plenty of ppl seem to have issues with pvr500
[14:38:51] scopeuk: does anyone havea working copy of the tv_grab_rt_uk script knocking about
[14:38:52] mmead: haj: hmm, here's my issue with AMD64 mobos: I have an A8V – I can clock the CPU successfully to 2500Mhz (from 1800Mhz), I can get the HT up near 840Mhz fine this way, but if the ram goes any higher than 280Mhz, the machine gets unstable. The ram is DDR400, so I don't understand. Anyway, putting ram @280Mhz, cpu @2500Mhz, and HT at 840Mhz, scimark2 64bit will run for 24h without any issues, as will cpuburn
[14:38:58] haj: mchou: it works fine.. apart from the crashes.. :)
[14:39:01] scopeuk: mine apears to be broken and i dont seam to be able to fid a good one
[14:39:06] mmead: haj: but as soon as I start using pvr350, it gives me invalid mpeg streams
[14:39:21] haj: mmead: DDR400 == 200MHz
[14:39:37] mmead: haj: oh, hmm, doh!
[14:39:39] laga: clocking DDR400 at 280MHz is not bad.
[14:39:46] mchou: lol
[14:39:51] mmead: :)
[14:39:55] Zider: DDR = DUAL data rate
[14:40:00] Zider: 200MHz x2
[14:40:01] laga: mmead: and, umm, you should probably understand your hardware better before you do any overclocking ;)
[14:40:03] mchou: "not bad" has to be an understatement
[14:40:04] laga: Zider: double?
[14:40:17] mmead: so maybe I will pick up some DDR600
[14:40:23] Zider: laga: dual/double, same shit ;)
[14:40:26] mmead: laga: yeah, no kidding, derr
[14:40:43] haj: mchou: it's annoying having to install to PCI-cards instead of one
[14:40:56] mchou: haj: no doubt
[14:40:57] mmead: at least I now know why it wasn't overclocking well
[14:41:06] mchou: but it's even better to install 0 :)
[14:41:24] mchou: haj: just use firewire :)
[14:41:51] mchou: haj: make sure it comes on the mobo
[14:42:17] mchou: haj: or get a mac mini :)
[14:42:17] mmead: mchou: can you get SD over FW from these STB?
[14:42:34] haj: mchou: hm .. didn't think of that... but it's still annoying unless the card is supported in linux and comes with two tuners ;)
[14:42:42] haj: mchou: i don't want a minimac.. :)
[14:42:42] mchou: mmead: all streams so far have been 1080i
[14:42:54] mmead: mchou: but you get streams from SD channels?
[14:43:00] mchou: mmead: yeah
[14:43:03] mmead: mchou: whoa
[14:43:16] mmead: mchou: upconverted by the box and real-time encoded?
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[14:43:43] mchou: no. I doubt if the box does any upconversion
[14:44:06] mchou: it's the digital stream from the headend
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[14:44:24] dfccbn: hi, does mythtv allow playback of other type of video, ogm, avi etc, is there somewhere showing what codecs it's supports?
[14:44:49] mchou: which was probably real time encoded at the headend
[14:45:03] mmead: mchou: what about on analog channels?
[14:45:16] mishehu: dfccbn: you can use an external player program, i.e. mplayer or xine.
[14:45:19] mchou: havent tried analog channels
[14:45:41] mchou: mmead: what's the point? :)
[14:45:58] mmead: mchou: heh
[14:46:07] hashbang: dfccbn: so checkt he compatibility lists for those applications, rather than myth. :-)
[14:46:12] mmead: mchou: so for SD digital channels off the cable box you get a 1080i stream
[14:46:15] Zider: does xine support dvd menus?
[14:46:21] hashbang: Zider: yup
[14:46:32] dfccbn: mishehu: oh ok, do i have to exit mythtv, or is it integrated sort of thing?
[14:46:34] Zider: maybe I'll toss in that for dvd playing then
[14:46:55] hashbang: dfccbn: media->video
[14:47:09] mishehu: dfccbn: I'm sure it's in the howto. it will launch the specified player.
[14:47:23] mishehu: keeping mythfrontend open and spawning the new process
[14:47:43] dfccbn: ah ok, thanks for the help
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[14:49:26] Zider: hashbang: do you know if xine can be controlled with a joystick?
[14:49:36] hashbang: pass
[14:49:55] mishehu: Zider: I believe it can, but I've never actually tried so don't quote me.
[14:49:59] hashbang: at the very least, there's an input driver for X that'll let you use a joystick as a pointing device
[14:50:31] mishehu: though I'd rather configure up my audigy remote than use a joystick
[14:50:31] Zider: mishehu: k
[14:50:55] Zider: well, I don't have a remote yet.. and the joypad is always connected anyway.. :D
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[14:51:53] sphing: gratitous arps are amazing
[14:52:33] ** hashbang uses the remote that came with his Nova-T and a Ruwido IR Infraboard **
[14:53:15] stuarta: sphing: been playing with LVS?
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[14:53:30] sphing: stuarta: no, you familar with defcon
[14:53:32] sphing: ?
[14:54:02] stuarta: not yet... gimme a minute...
[14:54:42] stuarta: the convention?
[14:55:06] sphing: yea
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[14:55:13] sphing: they have a game called capture the flag
[14:55:28] sphing: where basically you have to take down other teams servers and protect your own..
[14:55:44] stuarta: cool
[14:56:07] hashbang: I counter your gratuitious ARP-fu with my static ARP entries! Ha-ha!
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[14:56:24] sphing: we're doing a similar game in my network security class so I made an arp generator in C that makes gratitous arps, so basically all the other machines will respond to my arp requests and i can then grap their ip
[14:56:39] sphing: my enemies arent that smart hashbang haha.. but good i dea
[14:56:49] hashbang: sphing: have a play with ettercap.
[14:56:55] hashbang: if you haven't already.
[14:57:06] sphing: hmm no... been using tcpdump and ethereal
[14:57:10] hashbang: though make sure your enemies really are quite stupid first.
[14:57:30] sphing: they're not dumb.. i mean they're going to be using snort and that kinda stuff
[14:57:35] hashbang: sphing: ettercap overloads switches, so that they failover into hub mode.
[14:57:47] sphing: THATS WHAT I NEED
[14:57:50] sphing: arp poisoning?
[14:57:57] hashbang: sphing: so don't let anyone tell you 'switches are more secure than hubs, because you can't sniff off them'
[14:58:11] hashbang: it's quite noisy, though.
[14:58:18] hashbang: so it's probably not suitable for hostile use.
[14:58:27] sphing: yea but in this senario its perfect..
[14:58:44] hashbang: there WILL be logs aplenty, if you use it.
[14:59:20] sphing: doesn't matter... i just change my ip and i'm gone
[14:59:37] sphing: (assuming i change my mac before we start )
[15:00:27] sphing: im just not sure how the administrators of the network will feel about it
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[15:01:53] cg: Can somone help me get my diseqc to work in mythtv??
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[15:07:52] NHIwerx: since I installed mythtv i can watch nuv videos with mplayer on that machine, on the other (same distro) I cant watch them with the same mplayer. with which package do I get the nuv codec ?
[15:09:20] mmead: NHIwerx: it's usually a patched version of mplayer capable of reading the nuv container format
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[15:10:18] Zider: NHIwerx: perhaps it's in the win32 codec pack?
[15:10:30] NHIwerx: Zider: ye maybe
[15:10:45] NHIwerx: I can see it looks for avisynth.dll
[15:10:57] NHIwerx: but I dont have that on the mythmachine either
[15:10:58] NHIwerx: hmm
[15:13:05] NHIwerx: how can I find out where mplayer expects the codecs
[15:13:11] NHIwerx: i downloaded the all codec tar.gz
[15:13:46] Zider: NHIwerx: the README/INSTALL file should explain it
[15:14:09] sphing: hashbang: now I need to work on a smurf attack
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[15:23:08] scopeuk: ok i patched my tv_grab_uk_rt
[15:23:28] scopeuk: but its still nto working its nto fetcign anyerors
[15:24:14] scopeuk: error 512 according to mythweb
[15:25:02] scopeuk: http://pastebin.ca/49728
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[15:27:36] scopeuk: stupid user error
[15:27:38] scopeuk: ignore me
[15:28:06] stuarta: chair to keyboard interface error???
[15:34:14] scopeuk: yup
[15:34:31] furfurfur: Anyone had any luck with doing a Full Scan for DVB channels? It finds all the channels but set the freq to 0 for all of them, Grrrr
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[15:35:48] Merlin83b: stuarta's the guy to talk to, furfurfur.
[15:35:56] Merlin83b: (Sorry stuarta ;-)
[15:36:02] stuarta: Merlin83b ;-P
[15:36:03] furfurfur: hehe, ok
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[15:36:49] furfurfur: I can do a tuned scan but it doesn't find all the channels. I guess I could scan on each mux
[15:36:51] stuarta: in 0.19-fixes it's 'suboptimal' but should still pickup everything with a few rescans
[15:37:19] furfurfur: stuarta, I've tried 0.19-fixes but *every* channel had 0 as the freq, and tuning of course failed :)
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[15:37:28] furfurfur: Trying svn head now though
[15:38:00] stuarta: it'll be better, but not perfect. I need to do some more coding on that tonight.
[15:38:31] stuarta: I'm actually surprised to hear about channels with 0 freq. not seen that before
[15:38:50] furfurfur: ah, ok. Well let me know if you need me to test anything. I have two independent myth setups so I can sod around and not lose my recordings :)
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[15:39:29] furfurfur: Tell you something, HEAD is a LOT slower at scanning than -fixes
[15:40:17] stuarta: where are you located?
[15:40:28] furfurfur: UK, you?
[15:40:34] stuarta: same.
[15:40:42] furfurfur: uk-Mendip
[15:41:16] stuarta: wonder if that's on of the transmitters using other frequencies.... :-/
[15:41:55] stuarta: can you post the output of 'dvbsnoop -n 1 -nph 0x10' to a pastebin?
[15:42:05] furfurfur: dvbscan generates a complete file (as far as I can tell) from the initial freq in dvb-t/uk-Mendip
[15:42:18] furfurfur: Can do. Do I need to stop the scan?
[15:42:37] stuarta: no hurry, do it afterwards.
[15:42:48] stuarta: but tzap to a channel first.
[15:42:51] furfurfur: ok, will do
[15:43:45] furfurfur: May kill this scan anyway – 15% in 10 mins
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[15:45:30] furfurfur: What packages contains dvbsnoop? I have dvbtraffic ...
[15:46:02] furfurfur: nm, got it
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[15:48:20] Niklas_E: is there any way to clear the recorded list if you move the recordings?
[15:48:37] Niklas_E: ir can you do something in the mysql table?
[15:51:22] furfurfur: stuarta, dvbsnoop isn't showing anything. (dvbsnoop -adapter 1 -nph 0x10)
[15:59:06] stuarta: did you do a tzap first?
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[16:00:02] stuarta: don't forget the -n 1 in the dvbsnoop command either.
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[16:02:59] furfurfur: stuarta, I tzap'd to BBC ONE, got lock then Ctrl-C
[16:03:18] furfurfur: dvbsnoop -adapter 1 -n 1 -nph 0x10 then hangs
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[16:04:09] Zider: damn, can't get xine to autoselect subtitles.. :P
[16:06:12] stuarta: erm did you tzap on adapter 1, it defaults to adapter 0
[16:06:27] furfurfur: stuarta, course, yup :)
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[16:07:25] furfurfur: Could my crappy USB DVB-T stick be not presenting the whole stream?
[16:08:01] stuarta: ahh usb 1.x or 2.0???
[16:09:05] furfurfur: It's "high speed" according to dmesg – I forget if that means 1.x or 2.0 :)
[16:09:17] furfurfur: 2.0 think
[16:09:34] furfurfur: damn silly convention, full/high speed
[16:09:41] stuarta: also dvbsnoop doesn't have and -adapter param, only -demux, -dvr & -frontend, so you must specify all of them....
[16:09:56] furfurfur: -adapter n: select dvb adapter/card no. <n> using default path
[16:10:05] furfurfur: is my dvbsnoop lying to me :P
[16:10:29] stuarta: might be a newer version than mine (1.3.77/api-3)
[16:12:04] furfurfur: Well, it's still hanging now I've specified all three devices
[16:12:16] furfurfur: dvbsnoop -demux /dev/dvb/adapter1/demux0 -frontend /dev/dvb/adapter1/frontend0 -dvr /dev/dvb/adapter1/dvr0 -nph 0x10
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[16:12:42] stuarta: that's normally a sympton of it not being tuned. did you get FE_LOCK when tzap'ing
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[16:13:13] furfurfur: Yes, I have a lock on BBC ONE
[16:13:41] stuarta: then it should work....
[16:14:04] furfurfur: How weird. It's not as if I have any other problems – I've been using myth for a year on this box :P
[16:15:48] stuarta: some usb parts buffer lots of data for efficiency, so just looking for a tiny table can take ages, as the buffer must fill up....
[16:16:06] stuarta: not a problem with a video stream
[16:16:37] furfurfur: If I leave dvbsnoop running will that impact tuning/recording, or is it passive like a tcpdump?
[16:17:28] stuarta: theoretically you could run it at the same time, never have though.
[16:18:46] stuarta: anyway, gotta go.
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[16:18:57] furfurfur: ok, well thanks :)
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[16:27:18] possie: i should first run mythtv-setup and afterwards mythfilldatabase?
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[16:33:31] xris: possie: yup
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[16:40:47] possie: xris, k :-), and mythtv-setup will fill my mythconverge database (and create tables etc)
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[16:41:15] xris: possie: pretty much
[16:41:31] xris: any myth app will on first-run, actually.. but you want -setup to set up tv cards, etc.
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[16:52:32] mortal5: hey folks, what do i need to compile in linux to support v4l?
[16:52:46] mortal5: i think it's like, base v4l and i2c support
[16:52:50] mortal5: or some such
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[17:12:39] allmanj: can anyone help me getting a pvr350 to tune in stations? i somehow got it working earlier but now all i have is static
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[17:26:17] praet: allmanj: check your table mappings in setup
[17:30:53] allmanj: you mean in channel editor?
[17:33:15] allmanj: everything *seems* ok. i have used the settings from http://www.ntl.com/locales/ie/en/athome/frequency.html to manually fill in some stations. A11 appears to correspond to rte1 for example. not that it's done any good
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[17:36:13] praet: allmanj: can you tune into a station with mplayer?
[17:36:23] praet: if you are using ivtv its ivtv-tune
[17:37:12] allmanj: i've tried ivtv-tune -t ireland -c A11 for example and then done mplayer /dev/video0 but still only static...
[17:37:46] praet: did it work before?
[17:38:22] allmanj: *something* worked before. but i don't know what:(
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[17:38:51] allmanj: i'm loading the tuner module with type=1. i'm fairly sure that's one of the things i did just before it worked
[17:39:08] Ruis: just an fyi for you guys, my pvr500 problem with the weak tuner #1 was because of a bad card.
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[17:40:25] jonK_: phew!
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[17:42:16] jonK_: what's the easiest way to get rid of 350–400 recordings?
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[17:43:42] joeygotz: is that all your recordings?
[17:44:07] allmanj: praet: any ideas?
[17:44:09] jonK_: it doesn't need to be, but it could be
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[17:45:16] jonK_: I'm moving two large drives from the old backend to the new backend and want to shrink the LVM volume group that has these two disks and some space on a third
[17:45:57] joeygotz: actually... I was going to suggest something.. but I'm not sure it will work and I don't want you to munge up your database
[17:46:08] traxmac: anyone using either a via epia or intel commell motherboard?
[17:46:29] lcase: i am using a via epia
[17:46:41] jonK_: munge away, once the backend has moved I don't care about any remaning mythdata from the old system
[17:46:49] traxmac: lcase, which one
[17:46:56] lcase: n9000
[17:47:03] lcase: m i men
[17:47:12] joeygotz: ok.. then just ssh into the box, go to the recording directory
[17:47:24] joeygotz: and type 'rm -rf'
[17:47:27] traxmac: is this a dedicated mythtv box
[17:47:38] joeygotz: but keep in mind that your backend will freak out if it wakes up
[17:47:45] joeygotz: because it will see 350–400 missing files
[17:47:51] lcase: it has frontend and backend on it -> all in one
[17:48:09] traxmac: any reason why you chose it
[17:48:20] jonK_: I know I can just delete the files, but was hoping for something a little more graceful --
[17:48:44] lcase: its small, quit and can decode mpg2
[17:49:07] joeygotz: you mean something using the backend? like a script telling it to delete all recordings?
[17:49:17] traxmac: I am looking at mii 12000, still not decided
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[17:49:39] ** laga certainly wouldn't want his backend whisper "i see missing files!" to him. **
[17:49:40] lcase: for what you will use it?
[17:49:54] joeygotz: LOL
[17:49:56] traxmac: just as a standalone box for mythtv
[17:50:00] jonK_: we most certainly would not
[17:50:22] joeygotz: I had an aunt who could see missing files... creeepy
[17:50:32] lcase: for living room the fans are a bit loud-> but thisyou can change
[17:50:56] jonK_: I once had handed to me a software flow chart where the first box read "count unknown elements"
[17:51:00] traxmac: well the 12000 from what I read is not so loud
[17:51:07] traxmac: what processor is in the 9000
[17:51:10] jonK_: I thought, if the're freaking unkown how the hell will i count them?!
[17:51:35] lcase: i have here an m9000 256RAM and 80GB HD and a DVD-ROM with an passive 60W
[17:51:51] joeygotz: LOL.. anyway.. getting back to your question.. if you don't care about the status of the backend, what's wrong with a simple file delete?
[17:51:58] traxmac: lcase what processor is that
[17:52:17] lcase: the via board has also opengl support for the new mythui :)
[17:52:26] lcase: its 900Mhz
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[17:52:39] traxmac: is that eden?
[17:52:40] jonK_: nothing, just wondered if anything else was available
[17:52:44] lcase: yes
[17:53:13] traxmac: ah ok
[17:53:28] jonK_: especially if I wanted to retain a 1/2 dozen recordings
[17:53:30] traxmac: u got the exact model info, having trouble finding it
[17:53:32] lcase: you want it no for hdtv or?
[17:53:46] WHiTE^^BOX: anyone having problems with transcoding?
[17:53:53] WHiTE^^BOX: mtd is up and running
[17:54:02] WHiTE^^BOX: ripping dvd goes fine
[17:54:16] traxmac: nope, not hdtv
[17:54:36] traxmac: I was planning buying a pvr-350 for it
[17:54:36] WHiTE^^BOX: but.. commercial flagging.. or edited programs.. doent get transcoded
[17:55:29] lcase: i have here used an pvr-250 before, you don't need an 350 for video-out
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[17:55:56] traxmac: ah ok, so a 250 will do
[17:56:00] lcase: i think its an c3 chip not eden :0
[17:56:02] WHiTE^^BOX: 500 ;)
[17:56:12] lcase: yes or cheaper :
[17:56:43] lcase: get the cheapest card with an mpeg encoder and ivtv support (avermedia?)
[17:57:03] traxmac: ok
[17:57:14] traxmac: do u use the onboard tv out then
[17:57:16] lcase: then the unichrome chip on epia board can decode it
[17:57:33] lcase: yes the unichrome tv-out
[17:57:44] traxmac: I did not know that
[17:58:08] lcase: search for openchrome and you will find the drivers
[17:58:19] traxmac: are there any eden processor boards with cardbus
[17:58:31] lcase: unichrome and ivtv are well support here in mythtv
[17:59:10] lcase: yes i think but my is two years old and so i am a bit behind with the models
[17:59:44] traxmac: ok
[18:00:18] lcase: just choose an board with the unichrome (CLE266 Chip) and it will be supported by myth and openchrome
[18:00:37] lcase: and perhaps not under 900 Mhz ;)
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[18:01:17] traxmac: ok
[18:01:37] lcase: has anybody here running svn-myth with DVB-S in Germany?
[18:02:08] laga: lcase: maybe #mythtv-de
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[18:24:07] Dibblah: Woo hoo! Dirvish saves the day.
[18:25:40] lcase: ?
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[18:34:44] stuarta: Dibblah: what are you talking about???
[18:34:58] mmead: mchou: got my SA-3250HD w/1394 ports
[18:35:41] ivor: lcase: for frontend only you're usually ok all the way down to 600Mhz
[18:35:58] mmead: mchou: we will see what is 5c and what is not
[18:36:38] mchou: mmead: hehe
[18:36:56] mchou: sa-3250??
[18:37:01] mmead: mchou: your experience with comcast is that locals and non-hd are not 5c?
[18:37:04] mmead: mchou: yes
[18:37:05] lcase: yes ior i heard that somewhere on he mailing list
[18:37:07] mchou: mmead: that sucks
[18:37:10] mmead: mchou: why?
[18:37:20] mchou: cause it's old
[18:37:29] mchou: I have dct-6200
[18:37:39] mmead: mchou: is that the dual tuner one?
[18:37:45] mmead: mchou: with the dvr?
[18:37:46] lcase: only channel changing is slow,when eit is crawling and the cpu try's to change the channel
[18:37:56] mchou: mmead: oh, no dvr on this one
[18:38:08] mchou: mmead: you got dvr?
[18:38:16] mmead: mchou: I had two choices for HD STB, SA-3250 and some other thing with an HDMI port and two tuners w/dvr
[18:38:19] mmead: no
[18:38:22] mmead: got the 3250
[18:38:50] mchou: I'm not sure if 3250 has 1394 channel change
[18:39:59] mmead: mchou: http://www.thegreenbutton.com/community/downl . . . ageID=104152
[18:40:46] mchou: mmead: ok.
[18:41:01] mmead: mchou: so the hw supports it, just a matter of getting it to work with the linux 1394 libs
[18:41:38] mchou: mmead: yeah
[18:46:03] mmead: mchou: so digital SD channels show up as a boxed 1080i stream for you over FW?
[18:46:30] mchou: I dunno what you mean by SD channels
[18:46:45] mmead: mchou: non-HD digital channels
[18:46:56] mchou: I only get Station XYZ-DT :)
[18:47:02] mmead: mchou: ahh
[18:47:07] mmead: mchou: the rest you grab with svid?
[18:47:31] mchou: yeah
[18:48:32] mmead: thx
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[19:10:10] stuarta: afternoon gardengnome :)
[19:11:15] allmanj: aha! i got my pvr350 to tune in using ivtv-tune but now i can't change stations with mythtv – anyone have any ideas?
[19:13:01] gardengnome: hi stuarta :)
[19:14:35] meushi: allmanj: use ivtv-tune as an external tuning script?
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[19:15:05] stuarta: hola Juski!
[19:15:16] Juski: hiya stuarta
[19:15:52] Juski: just building another touch switch thingy. rebuilt the original one too – works much better now :-)
[19:16:04] allmanj: meushi: i think i might just need to manually set the stations in mythtv-setup
[19:17:01] meushi: allmanj: well, I had to use an external tuning script with .18.1 and a pvr-250... with all the channels properly setup. Dunno if the problem is still there in .19 tho
[19:19:02] allmanj: meushi: i'll let you know in a few minutes. After restarting mythfrontend i was able to change between the stations i had manually set
[19:19:09] allmanj: so i'll try some more now
[19:20:06] joeygotz: Is the guy with the SA3250 still on here?
[19:20:18] joeygotz: I had some patches I had to make to get channel changes with firewire working
[19:20:41] mchou: joeygotz: yeah? linky pls
[19:21:04] joeygotz: First test to make sure your channel changing doesn't work
[19:21:15] joeygotz: On my box, it would just send the cable box to some random channel
[19:21:34] joeygotz: turns out my 3250 has a different VENDOR ID than expected
[19:21:46] mchou: joeygotz: heh, when you say doesnt work, that encompasses a wide range of behavior
[19:21:52] joeygotz: so I went into the contrib/channel_changer folder and modified sa3250ch.c to work with my box
[19:21:59] joeygotz: channel changing didn't work
[19:22:05] mchou: like not working reliably :)
[19:22:19] joeygotz: the box would change the channels.. just not to the channel specified
[19:22:27] mchou: joeygotz: so you have patch file?
[19:22:49] joeygotz: for instance, I think channels 1 to 9 sent through the command would just tune to 48 or something strange like that
[19:23:12] joeygotz: I don't have a patch file... but I can tell you what you'll need to modify
[19:23:37] mchou: joeygotz: diff -u :)
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[19:24:21] mmead: joeygotz: I'm the one with the new 3250
[19:24:26] joeygotz: I built it against the svn relase0.19-fixes branch
[19:24:27] mmead: joeygotz: "new to me"
[19:24:34] mmead: joeygotz: what changes are needed?
[19:24:59] mchou: joeygotz: I have the sa3250ch.c in front of me now
[19:25:19] joeygotz: ok.. so search for SA3250HD_VENDOR_ID
[19:25:29] joeygotz: should be 0x00001692
[19:25:32] mchou: ok, line32
[19:25:51] mchou: joeygotz: and that's it?
[19:26:00] joeygotz: You should use gscanbus and figure out what vendor id you have
[19:26:11] joeygotz: did you check that the channel changing doesn't work for you?
[19:26:16] joeygotz: that's not it
[19:26:26] joeygotz: now search for OPERAND_KEY_PRESS
[19:26:41] joeygotz: the nex line should read cmd[1] = CTL_CMD1 | (chn << 8);
[19:26:58] joeygotz: not dig[0] << 16 dig[1] <<8 blah blah
[19:27:32] joeygotz: then copy that cmd[1] and cmd[2] line right under it and paste it under the cmd[0] a few lines down right after KEY_RELEASE
[19:28:21] mchou: joeygotz: dude, this would be so much easier if you generated a "diff -u"
[19:28:41] joeygotz: true.. I should recheckout the orig file
[19:28:44] mchou: paste it in pastebin.com :)
[19:30:23] mmead: pastebin has gotten so slow lately
[19:30:23] joeygotz: ok.. giving that a shot
[19:30:49] joeygotz: http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=667855
[19:31:03] joeygotz: going for a smoke
[19:31:04] mchou: joeygotz: ok, thx
[19:31:06] joeygotz: cool service :)
[19:31:08] joeygotz: brb
[19:31:13] joeygotz: got some more questions about that box actually
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[19:39:56] joeygotz: back
[19:40:02] joeygotz: u still there mchou?
[19:40:33] joeygotz: so basically.. everything I've read seems to indicate that the cable boxes only deliver HD content over the firewire port
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[19:40:53] joeygotz: however, while testing with test-mpeg2, I was able to pull some SD content
[19:41:23] mmead: joeygotz: from digital or analog channels?
[19:41:55] mchou: joeygotz: you're supposed to :)
[19:42:17] mchou: joeygotz: get SD over 1394 on some channels
[19:42:18] joeygotz: it was from the Fox Family channel.. which my Tivo tuned to for some unknown reason :-P
[19:43:11] joeygotz: I think that's channel 54 or 58
[19:43:13] mmead: joeygotz: what type of stream was it?
[19:43:16] joeygotz: I have TWC in NYC
[19:43:49] joeygotz: not sure what type of stream it was
[19:43:58] mmead: weird
[19:44:09] mmead: I will be putting a fw card in my myth backend tonight and seeing what comes up
[19:44:31] mchou: mmead: what do you mean what kind of stream? mpeg2-ts
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[19:45:44] mmead: mchou: right, mpeg2-ts, but what resolution
[19:47:05] mchou: SD res, probably 480 or some such
[19:47:17] mmead: I woudl expect 720x480, but who knows
[19:47:32] mmead: if anything is non encrypted I will check it later
[19:47:49] mchou: mmead: I dont see the point
[19:47:58] mmead: mchou: because?
[19:48:08] mchou: 1394 for SD is not reliable
[19:48:16] joeygotz: if a channel is encrypted.. shouldn't it just send you an encrypted stream? I find that test-mpeg2 frequently returns nothing at all
[19:48:28] mchou: you never know whether you will get stream or not
[19:48:37] mchou: joeygotz: nope
[19:48:45] gardengnome: so, we're gonna give out modified knoppmyth discs on linuxtag. but the distro still needs a name. any suggestions?
[19:48:55] mchou: joeygotz: if 5C is on it sends you nothing
[19:48:58] mmead: joeygotz: sorry, I shouldn't say encrypted
[19:49:26] mmead: joeygotz: I should say "blocked" – if the firewire card doesn't advertise that it complies to 5C (and I don't believe any do), the set top box should refuse to send it the stream
[19:49:31] mchou: gardengnome: based of which version of knoppix?
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[19:49:54] joeygotz: mmead: thanks
[19:49:57] mchou: gardengnome: 4.0?
[19:49:58] gardengnome: mchou: knoppmyth R5B7.
[19:50:19] the-FoX: gardengnome: Spicy MythTv CD
[19:50:30] mchou: the-FoX: lol
[19:50:48] mchou: gardengnome: is it a cd or dvd?
[19:51:06] the-FoX: gardengnome: Little MythTV Distro
[19:51:15] gardengnome: mchou: CD
[19:51:17] the-FoX: gardengnome: MythTV4U
[19:51:28] gardengnome: the-FoX: hmm. yeah. that could work.
[19:51:38] mchou: gardengnome: I prefer LSD :)
[19:51:39] ** gardengnome ponders having a poll over at mythtvtalk **
[19:51:43] joeygotz: KnoppMythish
[19:51:56] gardengnome: joeygotz: no, not really.
[19:51:58] mchou: lil slick distro :)
[19:51:59] gardengnome: mchou: LSD?
[19:51:59] joeygotz: LOL
[19:52:01] gardengnome: oh.
[19:52:01] gardengnome: humm.
[19:52:06] gardengnome: no, sorry. ;)
[19:52:16] gardengnome: we don't want the police raid our booth, do we?
[19:52:31] mchou: gardengnome: more publicity is GOOD!
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[19:52:41] the-FoX: gardengnome: KnoppTV
[19:52:49] gardengnome: mchou: getting gang-raped is BAD!
[19:52:55] mchou: especially when the cops find out it's just a bunch of cds :)
[19:52:59] gardengnome: the-FoX: maybe something that involves "linuxtag"?
[19:53:13] mchou: gardengnome: gang raped??
[19:53:27] the-FoX: MythTV LTD = Linux TAG Distribution
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[19:53:40] gardengnome: mchou: prison.
[19:53:46] mchou: gardengnome: when the cops find out, there is no way you going anywhere near jail
[19:54:00] gardengnome: mchou: keep cool, i was just kidding ;)
[19:54:20] gardengnome: the-FoX: that sounds very good. MythLTD? MythTVLTD? which one is better?
[19:54:33] mchou: those are awful
[19:54:43] ** Juski has just put some snazzy lower thirds into the mythtv promo video **
[19:54:45] mchou: myth limited?
[19:54:56] mchou: sux ballz
[19:55:09] gardengnome: lower thirds? huh?
[19:55:36] Juski: fancy graphic that usually accompanies text on TV news
[19:55:42] gardengnome: oh.
[19:55:45] gardengnome: cool :)
[19:55:59] Juski: like when they're doing an interview, and the lower 3rd tells you the person's name ;-)
[19:56:11] Juski: they're animated too
[19:56:25] gardengnome: spiffy
[19:56:41] Juski: need to put my name in the credits though – can't have all this effort going unnoticed
[19:56:53] mchou: lol
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[19:57:12] mchou: Juski: you get assitant producer credit
[19:57:19] gardengnome: Juski: really? i was gonna remove every copyright line from my notmyth and put my name in there ;)
[19:58:28] Juski: gardengnome: would you _really_ want to do that? ;-)
[19:59:09] gardengnome: Juski: no. i wasn't even gonna put my name in there because i didn't feel like getting bug reports...
[20:00:00] meushi: gardengnome: wise :)
[20:00:01] Beirdo: fine upstanding member of the OSS community, I see, gardengnome :)
[20:00:45] gardengnome: Beirdo: s/OSS/SCO/
[20:00:53] Beirdo: heh
[20:01:40] gardengnome: :)
[20:02:12] SeSphore: is abarbaccia.com down?
[20:02:19] SeSphore: can anybody try to access it?
[20:02:46] joeygotz: I can't get to it either
[20:03:07] SeSphore: eehh i was in the middle of something from last night ,and i need to continue. damn nation.
[20:03:24] SeSphore: will try google cache
[20:03:38] Juski: maybe the guy got sick of lame users emailing him about notmyth
[20:04:12] gardengnome: Juski: abarbaccia.com is about ubuntu, btw
[20:04:12] SeSphore: notmyth?
[20:04:35] gardengnome: SeSphore: knoppmyth
[20:04:41] Juski: I know abarbaccia.com is all about umbongo. I used their guide to get myth running in < 2 hours
[20:05:10] SeSphore: ah ok
[20:05:32] joeygotz: ubuntu.. that's what I'm using too
[20:05:49] SeSphore: i'm was following the myth install guide, utnil the site went down =(
[20:06:09] Juski: I might give the other one a go soon.. mythdora
[20:06:28] Juski: or for the lugradio machine I could just clone my working system
[20:06:46] joeygotz: http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:AumF_LlUM . . . &strip=1
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[20:07:35] joeygotz: you could just google cache the entire guide
[20:08:32] Juski: you know that chromakey OSD thing? is it standard in 0.19 or did it not make it in? I'm sure I've asked before but I can't remember the answer
[20:09:31] laga: Juski: standard.
[20:09:39] laga: Juski: see ticket #512
[20:09:43] Juski: ahhh
[20:10:07] Juski: gonna take it fer a spin tonight then. editing shows with a mono OSD is confusing
[20:10:39] laga: Juski: chromakey osd is nice.
[20:10:55] Juski: reckon it's time to put my soldering iron down & watch the new episode of 24
[20:11:50] allmanj: meushi: works fine. can't get e4 for some reason but everything else is looking good
[20:12:00] meushi: allmanj: cool
[20:15:33] kormoc: OT: http://www.batteries.com/productprofile.asp?appid=375206 <-- for anyone looking for a cheap ups
[20:16:35] meushi: kormoc: wow, mad price
[20:17:11] kormoc: meushi, yeah, and free shipping
[20:18:26] meushi: kormoc: I'm not sure I'd get free shipping to here :) and it might not be very efficient to slap that UPS behind a converter
[20:19:10] kormoc: oh, hehe, a luxenburger! :)
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[20:19:22] meushi: soon :)
[20:19:52] kormoc: Tis a nice country overall I've heard, I'll likely visit my friend there one day, he owes me a few dozen beers :)
[20:20:19] meushi: kormoc: /msg me before coming... quite a few nice pubs close to my flat
[20:20:46] mmead: kormoc: thanks
[20:21:32] kormoc: mmead, you're welcome, tho it was xris who showed it to me :)
[20:21:33] mmead: kormoc: my 600va on my mythbackend is crapping out
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[20:21:50] mmead: kormoc: this will replace it and let the crapping out one handle the intel mac mini, which uses *much* less power
[20:23:56] mmead: kormoc: I wonder how much spam it will cost me :)
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[21:01:02] SeSphore: when running a ./configure (for compiling myth) i get some feedback of yes'es and no's, it says ALSA support no
[21:01:14] SeSphore: how can i get ALSA support so its compiled for it?
[21:02:30] SeSphore: nevermind, just found my own answer to my question -> just installed libasound2-dev package.
[21:02:35] SeSphore: =D
[21:02:42] eiggirC: -grin- docs are good.
[21:03:03] eiggirC: seems IRC has an aura – as soon as you ask, you find the answer yourself elsewhere
[21:03:04] SeSphore: yeap, stupid brain ran in panic mode for a sec lol
[21:03:06] eiggirC: :)
[21:03:54] SeSphore: its like the blackball, "the answer is yes"
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[21:20:34] luxcalo: Has anyone see the following DMA error: ivtv0 warning: ENC: (0) DMA Error 0x0000000b
[21:20:36] luxcalo: ?
[21:20:47] mmead: eiggirC: it's called the "contractor" effect – as soon as you get a contractor in to help you with your problem, you start thinking about it in a different manner, and suddenly the solution becomes obvious. Many times someone standing at my shoulder has just pushed me out of my normal mode of thinking and made me realize the solution to a problem.
[21:21:26] luxcalo: Just upgrade to FC4 with ivtv-0.6.1–109.rhfc4.at
[21:21:37] luxcalo: I have a 350 and 150 in my machine ...
[21:22:01] luxcalo: I found postings pointing to – http://ivtvdriver.org/trac/ticket/49 ...
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[21:22:20] luxcalo: Only problem is I can't get to http://ivtvdriver.org/trac/ticket/49 to see the workaround
[21:22:38] luxcalo: Any help would be greatly appreciated
[21:23:46] luxcalo: Anyone?
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[21:34:54] Beirdo: gah!
[21:35:01] Beirdo: final season of 7th Heaven?!
[21:35:03] Beirdo: not fair
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[21:36:18] SlicerDicer-: lol
[21:36:19] Juski: that bastard president logan! arghh!
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[21:38:29] SlicerDicer-: xris: one drawback to gentoo I am just now configuring mythtv hehe
[21:38:48] xris: SlicerDicer-: you could use binary gentoo for the initial install
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[22:20:17] mmead: anyone using firewire?
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[22:21:30] scopeuk: mmead whats your real question?
[22:22:03] SlicerDicer-: mmead: what do you need to know?
[22:22:06] mmead: scopeuk: plugreport shows something connected (hd cable box connected to one firewire port), but mythtv-setup is not giving me the option of picking firewire as capture
[22:22:19] SlicerDicer-: mmead: you need to compile support for firewire in mythtv
[22:22:26] mmead: SlicerDicer: I did
[22:22:36] SlicerDicer-: well it would show up if it was...
[22:22:42] SlicerDicer-: there are also dependencies
[22:22:57] mmead: SlicerDicer: it is linked against libraw1394, libavc1394, and libiec61883
[22:23:09] mmead: (ldd shows these)
[22:23:35] SlicerDicer-: no idea if you compiled it why it would not be there
[22:23:53] mmead: SlicerDicer: any particular kernel modules I must load?
[22:25:07] SlicerDicer-: mmead: I really dont have any solid answers right now as I am rebuilding my mythsystem
[22:25:24] mmead: SlicerDicer: k, thanks anyway :)
[22:25:55] SlicerDicer-: mmead: I will have the answers shortly though
[22:26:01] SlicerDicer-: I have 3 boxes daisychained together :)
[22:26:03] mmead: SlicerDicer: it should show up as a selectable type in the capture card setup window, though, right?
[22:26:10] scopeuk: yes
[22:26:12] SlicerDicer-: yep
[22:26:25] scopeuk: it does on my box and im resonably sure my myth box predates firewire
[22:26:31] scopeuk: although im usign a prebuild distro
[22:26:49] mmead: here is what plugreport says
[22:26:49] mmead: http://pastebin.ca/49798
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[22:27:21] SlicerDicer-: moment
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[22:27:44] SlicerDicer-: looks normal mmead
[22:27:45] mmead: it wouldn't be showing up as "Analog V4L capture card" would it?
[22:28:18] scopeuk: nope there the crappy things i use
[22:29:01] mmead: hmm
[22:29:05] mmead: maybe I need to upgrade kernels
[22:29:10] mmead: maybe the 1394 port is disabled on this cable box
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[22:29:29] scopeuk: you whould still have the option
[22:29:34] scopeuk: even if the box wasent conencted
[22:29:37] mmead: ahh, ok
[22:29:45] kavorka: when i watch mythtv i switch my view to 16:9 zoom/fill...but it keeps defaulting back to widescreen the next time i restart myth...does anyone know how to make this setting hold?
[22:30:12] kavorka: im talking about the aspect ratio
[22:30:18] mmead: wonder if I need video1394 loaded
[22:30:29] mmead: kavorka: there is a default aspect ratio setting somewhere
[22:30:32] scopeuk: kavorka i think its burried in the options somewhere (to set the defuault seting) not sure where though
[22:30:51] kavorka: hmm ok ill hunt around....so many config pages...its crazy
[22:33:26] SlicerDicer-: hmm anybody have a idea how long it should take for 250mb to import into mysql?
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[22:34:36] mmead: SlicerDicer: no idea :)
[22:35:01] kormoc: SlicerDicer-, depends on the db and the data, or in otherwords, you can't really say
[22:38:06] kavorka: sorry guys one more question...is there a way to change the channel without having to arrow up/down and hitting enter? the reason i ask is that i want to map my channel up and channel down keys..doesnt look like its possible in the key bindings section
[22:38:45] SlicerDicer-: kormoc: hehe well its taking forever
[22:39:03] SlicerDicer-: mysql -u root -p > foo.sql
[22:39:04] mmead: mythtv-setup still won't give me the firewire option
[22:39:07] SlicerDicer-: thats the proper format right?
[22:39:07] mmead: I wonder if I need to makedev a device
[22:39:36] kormoc: SlicerDicer, nope
[22:39:50] kormoc: SlicerDicer-, try < rather then > but you need a new foo.sql file
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[22:39:59] SlicerDicer-: haha
[22:40:04] SlicerDicer-: shit kormoc I nuked it LOL!!!
[22:40:13] ** SlicerDicer- hits himself on the head **
[22:40:33] mmead: always chmod 400 db backups :/
[22:41:08] SlicerDicer-: kormoc: least I keep backups now eh?
[22:41:16] kormoc: Yeah, indeed :)
[22:41:21] SlicerDicer-: I actually use cron to do them daily
[22:41:31] SlicerDicer-: daily sql backup onto my LVM
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[22:44:59] mmead: SlicerDicer: how do you have the devices setup for the fw?
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[22:47:11] SlicerDicer-: how? hell if I know I could never get any of the tests to work
[22:47:17] SlicerDicer-: I just compiled in the support in myth
[22:47:19] SlicerDicer-: did plugreport
[22:47:26] SlicerDicer-: found the nodes/adapter
[22:47:32] mmead: SlicerDicer: did you end up with /dev/video1394/* ?
[22:47:34] SlicerDicer-: entered that in myth and bingo
[22:47:36] SlicerDicer-: dunno
[22:47:39] SlicerDicer-: never looked
[22:48:13] SlicerDicer-: mmead: as long as all the support is compiled in it should work
[22:48:19] SlicerDicer-: and deps
[22:48:47] mmead: hm
[22:49:50] mmead: crap
[22:49:55] mmead: did mknod by hand and no dice
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[22:51:51] kormoc: mmead, right, that's the point of udev/devfs, if the device will work, it will make the nodes for you
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[22:52:17] mmead: kormoc: I'm not sure that debian 2.6.13 has udev setup properly
[22:52:32] kormoc: mmead, it likely uses devfs
[22:52:42] mmead: hmm
[22:52:48] kormoc: mmead, but in anycase, does dmesg tell you that the firewire is working right?
[22:52:58] mmead: yes
[22:53:04] kormoc: what's it say?
[22:53:21] mmead: pastbining
[22:53:34] mmead: http://pastebin.ca/49803
[22:55:18] kormoc: mmead, are they modules?
[22:55:24] mmead: yep
[22:55:48] mmead: ieee1394, ohci1394, raw1394, video1394
[22:55:55] mmead: and dv1394
[22:56:00] kormoc: mmead, might want to try rmmod video1394 and modprobe it again
[22:56:12] mmead: kormoc: thanks, tried that :)
[22:56:18] kormoc: mmead, heh, fair nuff
[22:56:29] kormoc: mmead, it would seem to indicate that it's not picking up the video device then
[22:56:35] mmead: kormoc: yes, agreed
[22:57:05] mmead: ahh
[22:57:07] mmead: no devfs setup for it
[22:57:12] kormoc: mmead, under /proc/bus/ieee1394 there should be info (I think that's the right path, not sure offhand)
[22:57:16] kormoc: ooh really?
[22:57:20] mmead: kormoc: yes
[22:57:29] kormoc: that's strange
[22:57:57] mmead: all I can find is /proc/irq/10/ohci1394
[22:58:26] ** kormoc blinks **
[22:58:38] mmead: yep, no /proc/bus/ieee1394
[22:58:48] mmead: maybe I will move to 2.6.16
[22:58:51] kormoc: ooh, oops
[22:58:56] mmead: ?
[22:59:05] kormoc: try /sys/bus/ieee1394
[22:59:24] mmead: it's there
[23:00:29] kormoc: well, if you want, I can look up the proper command line to get info from it, or you can update and enjoy udev :)
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[23:01:47] scopeuk: mythmusic is top notch gus got every ones cd rips folder smbed from windows and mapped to folders in myth/music very nice
[23:02:00] mmead: kormoc: what kind of command – to query the /sys fs?
[23:02:47] kormoc: mmead, yeah, there are utils to handle getting data from there
[23:03:23] mmead: kormoc: if you have that handy it would probably be helpful
[23:03:31] mmead: kormoc: does 2.6.13 -> 2.6.16 move from devfs to udev?
[23:03:56] kormoc: mmead, devfs was removed as of 2.6.14, so yeah, you have to move
[23:04:32] mmead: kormoc: that will likely break everything else I have working in myth :)
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[23:05:29] scopeuk: welcome to my world
[23:06:12] abarbaccia: hey all, if the frontend is on the same system as the backend, and i quit the frontend, will mythwelcome try to put the system to sleep?
[23:07:31] kormoc: mmead, udevinfo -a -p /sys/bus/ieee1394/devices/fw-host0/
[23:07:39] kormoc: mmead, replacing host0 with the host you want to look up
[23:08:10] mmead: kormoc: hmm
[23:08:15] mmead: kormoc: guess that needs udev first :)
[23:08:36] kormoc: mmead, you likely have udev installed, it just needs the toolkit, not the actual running of udev :)
[23:08:48] mmead: kormoc: there is an /etc/udev, but no tools
[23:08:59] kormoc: no udevinfo command?
[23:09:04] scopeuk: juski got my xmltv working (my stupid mistake and a broken script that had to be patched) so no more stupid questions :D
[23:09:11] mmead: no
[23:09:20] kormoc: mmead, ooh, that sucks :/
[23:09:31] kormoc: mmead, udev is awesome tho, so you might just want to do the update
[23:09:36] mmead: yeah
[23:09:46] mmead: kormoc: I need to, just worried about the hell it will put me through :)
[23:09:59] mmead: kormoc: not sure if a stock deb 2.6.16 image will do or not
[23:10:19] mmead: or if I need to build the kernel myself
[23:10:50] mmead: building isn't hard or anything, it's just a pain to do all the make oldconfig etc.
[23:10:53] RaYmAn-Bx: if you use ivtv, you might want to be careful upgrading to 2.6.16...Seems a fair amount of people are having problems..especially with PVR-350 cards
[23:11:18] mmead: RaYmAn-Bx: in fact I do use ivtv w/pvr-350
[23:11:18] mmead: doh!
[23:11:21] SlicerDicer-: 2.6.13 sucks with ivtv
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[23:11:38] SlicerDicer-: and lirc
[23:11:42] SlicerDicer-: in my experience anyway
[23:11:43] rabies: is there a list i can find somewhere with usb sound cards that have hardware mixers?
[23:11:46] mmead: my experience would bear that out
[23:12:25] mmead: lirc seems a bit glitchy in 2.6.13
[23:12:40] mmead: and ivtv definitely has issues for me, though since I built the svn integrated with the v4l drivers, it seems ok
[23:12:40] kormoc: mmead, I stick with 2.6.14 myself with udev
[23:12:47] kormoc: mmead, and ivtv 0.4.0
[23:12:58] mmead: kormoc: do you use firewire at all?
[23:13:06] kormoc: mmead, not for video at all
[23:13:23] mmead: kormoc: mchou warned me today that firewire channel changing before 2.6.16 was a bit flaky
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[23:13:58] kormoc: mmead, most poeple are fine with the latest ivtv and 2.6.16
[23:14:13] mmead: kormoc: what distro do you use?
[23:14:25] kormoc: gentoo
[23:14:29] mmead: ahh
[23:15:00] mmead: 2.6.16.1 appears available
[23:15:03] mmead: as a stock deb kernel
[23:15:06] SlicerDicer-: ze only distro eh kormoc? ;-)
[23:16:01] kormoc: hehe, for me :)
[23:16:04] mmead: kormoc: any reason to use 2.6.16.6 over 2.6.16.1 ?
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[23:17:21] kormoc: mmead, fixes mostly, but not much, aye
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[23:20:00] mmead: kormoc: thx
[23:20:06] mmead: kormoc: here goes nothing :)
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[23:33:03] mortal5: anyone here using a pvr with a recent linux kernel?
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[23:34:37] Juski: mortal5: nope. 2.6.12-rc4 with ivtv 0.4.2 here
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[23:35:26] mortal5: Juski, what do i need to compile into my kernel to get v4l and ivtv working?
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[23:36:02] gardengnome: Juski: http://laga.ath.cx/~laga/lagatv-alpha1-screenshot.jpg :) )
[23:36:03] Juski: mortal5: erm... v4l. as for ivtv, go see the ivtvdriver.org website for instructions
[23:36:11] mmead: doh
[23:36:15] mmead: ivtvdriver.org is offline
[23:36:23] gardengnome: ggoogle cache?
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[23:36:33] mortal5: booooooo
[23:37:47] Juski: laga: heheheh
[23:40:42] gardengnome: Juski: SCNR ;)
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[23:42:01] mmead: ugg
[23:42:06] mmead: no way to get ivtv without ivtvdrivers.org!
[23:42:18] gardengnome: mmead: maybe some gentoo mirror?
[23:42:33] mmead: gardengnome: hmm, don't know their structure, so I'll have to dig, but good idea
[23:43:19] kormoc: mmead, sadly, gentoo doesn't mirror ivtv...
[23:43:24] mmead: gah
[23:45:06] gardengnome: kormoc: so, emerge gets thar tarball from ivtvdriver.org?
[23:45:20] mmead: looks like I might have ivtv-0.4.3 sitting around
[23:45:27] kormoc: gardengnome, aye
[23:45:36] gardengnome: kormoc: sucky.
[23:46:03] kormoc: gardengnome, only very well used ebuilds get mirrored, sadly
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[23:46:27] gardengnome: kormoc: i wonder if it's the gentoo crowd's fault that ivtvdriver.org is down that often
[23:46:29] kormoc: gardengnome, 0.2.0-rc3 was the last stable enough ebuild to get mirrored
[23:46:52] gardengnome: kormoc: gee. 0.2 is for whimps ;)
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[23:47:17] kormoc: heh, they'll mirror up 0.4.x whenever it stays in the stable tree unchanged for 3 months or so :)
[23:47:39] gardengnome: so, likely never
[23:47:43] mmead: heh
[23:47:55] kormoc: gardengnome, when 0.6.x is the stable branch, it'll get mirrored! :P
[23:48:22] gardengnome: 0.6.x is only for 2.6.16, right?
[23:48:41] kormoc: I thought 0.6.x worked with .15+ iirc
[23:48:56] mchou: I still don't understand why ivtv has a different version for kernel 2.6.16
[23:49:34] gardengnome: mmead: that's explained on ivtvdriver.org. it's related to that they want to get it merged into the kernel. or so.
[23:49:39] Juski: oh nice... text to speech... http://192.20.225.55/tts/speech/d2b9cd2c41316 . . . 86abbb32.wav
[23:49:51] mmead: gardengnome: yeah
[23:49:58] mmead: gardengnome: it's to integrate with v4l I believe
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[23:50:09] Chutt2: kormoc, xris, hey
[23:50:11] mchou: gardengnome: you buy that bs?
[23:50:18] kormoc: Mornin' Chutt2
[23:50:18] Chutt2: i got my data back (mostly) =)
[23:50:22] kormoc: yeah? :)
[23:50:25] Chutt2: yeah
[23:50:30] xris: ?
[23:50:30] Juski: mchou: it's about time ivtv got pulled into the kernel
[23:50:32] mmead: ugg, now lirc 0.8.0 won't build
[23:50:33] mmead: joy
[23:50:34] xris: Chutt2: cool
[23:50:39] Chutt2: bought a new drive, created a partition almost exactly the same size as my original one
[23:50:51] Chutt2: and reinstalled with the same ubuntu cd
[23:50:55] mmead: mchou: upgrading to 2.6.16 since 2.6.13 mythtv-setup did not even give me the fw card as an option
[23:50:58] mchou: Chutt2: what happened? your disk died?
[23:51:04] Chutt2: yeah
[23:51:16] mchou: Chutt2: any warning?
[23:51:19] gardengnome: hi Chutt2
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[23:51:25] Chutt2: the disk didn't die
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[23:51:32] Chutt2: the group descriptor block tables were wiped out
[23:51:37] Chutt2: disk itself is fine
[23:51:40] mchou: Chutt2: ahh
[23:51:44] kormoc: so strange
[23:52:01] Chutt2: kormoc, the original install must've been doing something funky when it made the fs
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[23:52:10] Chutt2: i couldn't ever reproduce the options to make it have the same layout
[23:52:17] Chutt2: (with mkfs.ext3)
[23:52:20] mchou: hehe
[23:52:28] mchou: non-determinism
[23:52:34] kormoc: Chutt2, very strange.
[23:52:39] Chutt2: but the new install seemed to match up
[23:52:43] xris: Chutt2: I had a lot of issues with ubuntu's formatter....
[23:52:55] xris: lost two drives' worth of data to it for separate reasons.
[23:52:56] Chutt2: kormoc, the inode tables were a block different
[23:53:14] Chutt2: offset from the start of the group, nfc why
[23:53:23] mchou: weird
[23:53:29] ** kormoc nods **
[23:53:38] Chutt2: fixed things by copying over the new group tables to the backup copy
[23:53:46] Chutt2: and everything started working
[23:53:49] xris: nice
[23:53:51] kormoc: Nifty :)
[23:53:54] mchou: heh, nice
[23:53:55] Chutt2: well, i can mount it at least and copy data off
[23:54:05] kormoc: I was thinking that might work, but I didn't realize you had enough space to work with to do that
[23:54:18] Chutt2: well, i bought a 300GB drive today at bestbuy
[23:54:29] Chutt2: so now i do =)
[23:54:36] kormoc: Hehe, nifty :)
[23:54:41] mmead: kormoc: you using lirc and ivtv?
[23:54:48] kormoc: mmead, aye
[23:54:54] Chutt2: i was trying the mke2fs -S thing to try and rewrite those tables last night
[23:54:55] mchou: gah! you were obviously desperate if you had to shop at worst buy :)
[23:54:57] mmead: any troubles building lirc ?
[23:54:59] Chutt2: and it _almost_ worked
[23:55:12] kormoc: Chutt2, Yeah?
[23:55:14] Chutt2: yeah
[23:55:24] Chutt2: stuff in the first block was fine (ie, root dir, lost+found dir)
[23:55:39] Chutt2: but the inode tables were all garbage for all the other blocks
[23:55:59] Chutt2: ah well
[23:56:03] mchou: sheesh
[23:56:04] Chutt2: yay!
[23:56:16] kormoc: Yeah, but it worked, which is great :)
[23:56:37] Chutt2: got an error copying my inbox off, but i haven't run e2fsck on it yet
[23:56:39] kormoc: Tho that it ever happened is a bit scary.
[23:56:48] Chutt2: yeah, nfc what went wrong
[23:56:58] mchou: exactly. might happen again
[23:57:01] kormoc: Chutt2, Might want to make a second copy before running e2fsck on it, just in case it wipes it again
[23:57:01] Chutt2: i'm not going to trust that drive again
[23:57:12] Chutt2: oh, i have 3 copies, and the untouched original still =)
[23:57:19] kormoc: good :)
[23:57:22] Chutt2: 300GB drive =)
[23:57:29] kormoc: Yeah, might as well use it up :)
[23:57:35] mchou: Chutt2: what make was the "bad" drive?
[23:57:41] Chutt2: seagate
[23:57:48] Chutt2: and i really doubt it was a problem with the drive
[23:57:49] mchou: PATA/SATA?
[23:57:52] kormoc: that reminds me, I think I have like 3 copys of old drive images that can get wiped.
[23:57:53] Chutt2: every other partition on there is perfectly fine
[23:57:57] ** kormoc nods **
[23:58:06] Chutt2: mchou, sata, 250GB
[23:58:08] kormoc: Could check the smart log and see if it thinks there were any errors
[23:58:12] Chutt2: smart's clean
[23:58:24] mchou: Chutt2: hmm....
[23:58:26] Chutt2: ah well
[23:58:42] Chutt2: time to relax =)
[23:58:45] mchou: hehe
[23:58:47] kormoc: Indeed :)
[23:59:03] mchou: Chutt2: exciting easter weekend, eh? :)
[23:59:13] Chutt2: mchou, this only happened last night
[23:59:22] mchou: Chutt2: heh
[23:59:23] ** gardengnome spent the whole easter weekend remasterin knoppmyth **
[23:59:36] gardengnome: i'm quite happy now, i'm upload the first version :)
[23:59:47] Juski: ... or knepprath, as google likes to call it
[23:59:47] mmead: should lirc 0.8.0 build against ivtv 0.4.3 ?
[23:59:51] Chutt2: back later

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