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Sunday, April 16th, 2006, 00:03 UTC

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Robert1968:

Hello everyone

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Robert1968:

Question

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Robert1968:

I am looking for a solution that emulates a cable box

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Robert1968:

decrypting of cable signals

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laga:

Robert1968: that's illegal and won't be discussed here

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Robert1968:

ok

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Robert1968:

ty

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Robert1968:

not illegal in my part of the world but thanks just the same

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laga:

Robert1968: yeah, but we don't want the RIAA special forces raid people's places, do we?

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Robert1968:

I wouldnt want that to happen to you

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laga:

;)

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laga:

but there are other ways. you could always get a cable box and control it with an irblaster.

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Robert1968:

im listening

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Robert1968:

is that linux based?

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scopeuk:

hmm id pay good money to see riaa special forces visions of an army of pop drones dresed in grey suits with brief cases

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scopeuk:

Robert1968 yes

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laga:

Robert1968: well, it'd work with mythtv. the irblaster sends signals to the box to have it change channels, and you record with a normal tv card with composite in.

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Robert1968:

ummm....i need something to decode

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laga:

Robert1968: a cable box would work

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Robert1968:

hehehhe

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Robert1968:

ok...circular arguments are great

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LLyric:

In some places/systems, you can get a CAM for cable as a pc peripheral

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scopeuk:

how is bermuda these daysanyway Robert1968?

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Robert1968:

very nice thank you for asking

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scopeuk:

good good

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scopeuk:

ip tracing is so easy these days lol

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scopeuk:

any way im gonan go sleep

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scopeuk:

night all

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AngryElf:

hey all, i'm having a problem with my ati drivers.....i've tried both the official drivers and the open ones and neither will play video at 1152x864 or higher without dropping frames......any suggestions?

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psymin:

anyone using a hd-3000 card?

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xanderp:

my mythbox started having problems with recordings recently. there were errors that looked like the mtd was hanging. the shows would show up in the listing with astronomical file sizes. I rebooted and it was having serious problems. I tried to do an emerge -uD --newuse world and let it get everything up to date, but it was mad about some libungif problems. i think i've fixed those, but when I try to /etc/init.d/mythbackend s

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xanderp:

database not open is the mythtv log error

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psymin:

xanderp: libungif was blocked ?

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xanderp:

psymin: i think it was wanting to change it from libungif to the new one. (can't remember the name). I think that is fixed, I sym linked the new stuff with the libungif names. the error i'm seeing now is starting mythbackend it complains that the database is not open

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psymin:

xanderp: unrelated to mythtv, I remember weird libungif issues with emerge a while ago .. I just unemerged libungif .. emerged the thing that it was blocking .. then revdep-rebuild

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xanderp:

i unemerged libungif then tried to revdep-rebuild and it wanted to build stuff with libungif and then dies. I did a few different options of revdep-rebuild (-X) etc... After i symlinked the stuff to the new lib (gif something) it got past that, but the mythbackend still won't start.

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psymin:

sounds like libgif is the new one

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psymin:

can you emerge that?

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xanderp:

i have that... i then had to symlink that with libungif to get past the revdep-rebuild stuff.

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psymin:

ooh .. I hear you now .. sorry ..

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xanderp:

in getting the libungif stuff worked out i had to remove kde. it is currently building again :(

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psymin:

ugh

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xanderp:

but it's 3.5.2 :)

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psymin:

interesting

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xanderp:

build 27 of 79

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psymin:

Anyone know what voltage a Hauppauge WinTV PVR 150 MCE wants to run at? (5 or 3.3?) ..

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xanderp:

ok, quick system maintenance question for my mythbox. if i want to remove a package from my gentoo box, i emerge unmerge <package>. Should I follow that up with anything to make sure my system is happy? Should I revdep-rebuild after each thing i unemerge?

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xanderp:

can someone walk me through some mysql checks to see if my mythconverg database is still there?

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xanderp:

hmmm... Access Denied for user 'root'@'localhost' trying to access mysql

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kormoc:

xanderp, after unmerging, revdep-rebuild can be run, and won't hurt, but no need to do that really unless it was a lib file

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kormoc:

xanderp, you sure the password is correct

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xanderp:

kormoc: thanks

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xanderp:

i'm resetting the passwords now

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xanderp:

(stopping mysql, reset password, then setup all mysql passwords again from scratch)

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mythicness:

my hauppage card isnt showing up when i run cat /proc/bus/input/devices

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mythicness:

could anyone give me some advice?

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kormoc:

mythicness, try lspci, given it's not really a input device...

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mythicness:

well wouldnt my remote be considered an input device?

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kormoc:

mythicness, perhaps, perhaps not, but likely doesn't it require the lirc stuff to be loaded?

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mythicness:

trying to get lirc setup up

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mythicness:

following this article

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mythicness:

http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu2.php

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mythicness:

know of any better ones?

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mythicness:

I have loaded the lirc stuff

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kormoc:

/proc/bus/input/devices only shows registered input devices, so it likely wouldn't show up until lirc is working

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mythicness:

oh ok

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mythicness:

well i have basically just installed lirc, where do I go from here?

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kormoc:

and given that page is for a entirely different tuner, it should only be taken as a rough guide

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banyan:

so, here I am back with the goods, about to put the mobo in the case.

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kormoc:

mythicness, might want to try this:

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kormoc:

http://www.wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php#lirc

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kormoc:

banyan, cool :)

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laga:

mythicness: maybe the one at abarbaccia.com or however you spell that

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laga:

dunno if it covers lirc, too

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mythicness:

yeah i read this one

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mythicness:

http://www.abarbaccia.com/content/view/18/33/

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banyan:

heh, ya know you're a geek when! I've got to download fc5 isos.

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mythicness:

but i dont like it, cos "make modules" in ubuntu is bad apparently

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Glasswalkr:

Hey, quick question, somehow I noticed my program guide was offset by one channel which is odd (stuff that was playing on channel 51 was showing as being on channel 50)

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Glasswalkr:

So I went into mythtv-setup and rescanned the channels from the guide provider (zap2it)

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Glasswalkr:

and it scanned correctly, and correct channels show up, and so I went in and searched the guide, and now the right stuff was showing... but when I did a search for programs to schedule a recording, I noticed that for TODAY it was right, but the rest of the week was still offset by 1 day.

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Glasswalkr:

so how do I completely flush the guide out and re-run mythfilldatabase?

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kormoc:

Glasswalkr, shutdown mythbackend, mysql -u root -p mythconverg, DELETE FROM datebase;, mythfilldatabase, start mythbackend.

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kormoc:

Glasswalkr, the database should be table, and the actual name I don't know offhard

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kormoc:

Glasswalkr, someone else would have you tell you which one

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Glasswalkr:

what is the root myth database password?

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Glasswalkr:

my root password doesn't work :)

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kormoc:

well, with -u root -p it wants the root mysql password, which you should have set when you installed mysql

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kormoc:

you could do -u mythtv and use mythtv as the password

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Glasswalkr:

ok

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Glasswalkr:

that worked

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Glasswalkr:

this is knoppmyth so the os configured that for me, it never asked for root sql pass

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kormoc:

fair nuff

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Glasswalkr:

Anyone ever had problems with mythweb not scheduling stuff? I added a bunch of recordings from mythweb, and later on when logged into mythweb it listed them, I cleared cache, cleared cookies, and it still listed them, yet on the actual box if I check nothing is scheduled...

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Glasswalkr:

Hey kormoc, sorry your connection looked like it died, let me repeat my question

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Glasswalkr:

Anyone ever had problems with mythweb not scheduling stuff? I added a bunch of recordings from mythweb, and later on when logged into mythweb it listed them, I cleared cache, cleared cookies, and it still listed them, yet on the actual box if I check nothing is scheduled...

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kormoc:

That would tend to indicate that there's two different myth databases, one mythweb is looking at and one mythbackend is

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kormoc:

and actually, my connection died, cause I killed X by writing bad shader stuff to the gpu :P

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Glasswalkr:

lol

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Glasswalkr:

hmmm

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Glasswalkr:

how can I tell which database each is pointing at?

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kormoc:

Glasswalkr, edit .htaccess in the mythweb directory, and ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt for the backend usually, or /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

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Glasswalkr:

ok thanks

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Glasswalkr:

nope

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Glasswalkr:

both set to same database

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Glasswalkr:

"mythconverg"

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Glasswalkr:

same username

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Glasswalkr:

same password

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Glasswalkr:

same hostname

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kormoc:

Glasswalkr, different computers?

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Glasswalkr:

nope

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Glasswalkr:

it is all on one box

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kormoc:

huh

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kormoc:

that's really strange

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Glasswalkr:

frontend,backend, the whole deal all on one box

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Glasswalkr:

also another wierd glitch... the brightness/contrast/saturation controlls needed tweaking, so I tweaked them with ivtvctl at commandline as root... which worked fine. But every time I do "Watch TV" it resets them... where is that coming from so I can fix the config or whatnot so it automatically uses my tweaked settings

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xanderp:

i'm having a hell of a time getting my mysql passwords reset and getting access to my data...

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xanderp:

i've followed the instructions from dev.mysql.com but it doesn't appear to be working

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mythicness:

i just installed mythtv

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mythicness:

how do i use/enable mythvideo ?

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kormoc:

well, you need to install it first

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mythicness:

using the plugins?

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kormoc:

hrm?

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mythicness:

eg: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-19.html

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mythicness:

?

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mythicness:

where should i put the mythplugins directory ?

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gurft:

you have to build and install the plugins

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gurft:

they will go into /usr/share/..... depending on the rest of your mythtv install

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mythicness:

ok

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mchou:

xris: you around?

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xris:

sort of

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mchou:

xris: ok, in the firewire setup, I know what the node value is (correspond to plugreport), but what is the plug value?

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xris:

you read the firewire section in jarod's guide? I think he covers that

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mchou:

yeah, I just read it again. he doesnt say what plug value corresponds to

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mchou:

xris: what did you put as your plug value in myth?

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xris:

I left it at the default

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xris:

so, I guess that's zero

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xris:

the other one was 2

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mchou:

xris: so node=0 and plug=2?

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xris:

node 2 plug 0

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xris:

that's what plugreport says

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mchou:

xris: paste your plugreport in pastebin pls?

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psymin:

Is anyone running a hauppauge card in a 3.3 volt or 64bit slot?

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xris:

http://pastebin.ca/49468

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mchou:

xris: ok, thx

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polpak:

I'm going insane with this nonsense

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polpak:

I cannot for the life of me get my nvidia card to output to the TV

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Anduin:

polpak: How exotic is your setup?

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polpak:

Not very

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Anduin:

Prove it.

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kormoc:

polpak, stats?

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polpak:

I have the mythtv box 2 PVR-150s, a nvidia geforce 3, with the tv plugged into the composite out

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kormoc:

and your x config is?

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polpak:

kormoc, I've tried both twinview, and just specifying the monitor as being the tv

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kormoc:

polpak, put up the x log and the x config up on a pastebin like pastebin.ca and we can go from there

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polpak:

kormoc, when x starts I see the tv flash, but then the display switches to the standard monitor

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polpak:

kormoc, k, one sec

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kormoc:

it is possable that your card can only handle a single output at a time

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mythicness:

once i have media in my videos folder how do i make mythtv go and update the tags for the movie?

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polpak:

kormoc, that does seem to be what's indicated in the X log when I tried twinview

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kormoc:

polpak, well then you can eather switch directly to the tv only or get a better card

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polpak:

kormoc, but I don't want/care if it displays on the monitor

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Anduin:

mythicness: Go to the video manager (in Setup)

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kormoc:

polpak, have you tried setting it to tv only and unplugging the monitor?

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polpak:

kormoc, I tried configuring only the tv as the only display.. And it flashes, but then turns on the monitor

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polpak:

kormoc, I'll pastebin the xorg.conf

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kormoc:

polpak, you see, the nvidia drivers try to autodetect the displays, and if there's a monitor on it, it defaults to that as the primary display, hence the unplug the monitor sudgestion

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polpak:

kormoc, ok, I'll try it

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polpak:

http://pastebin.ca/49470

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polpak:

nope, no luck

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kormoc:

polpak, try a powercycle?

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polpak:

kormoc, you mean just boot it w/o the monitor?

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kormoc:

aye

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SlicerDicer-:

hey kormoc

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SlicerDicer-:

slacker! ;-) hows it going havent talked to you in a while heh

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kormoc:

goin well, how are you?

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SlicerDicer-:

not bad

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SlicerDicer-:

you busy?

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polpak:

lol

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polpak:

one sec

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polpak:

booting, but it looks like it may work

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer, a bit, why, what's up?

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SlicerDicer-:

ahh I will pvt msg you :)

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polpak:

kormoc, ok, well

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polpak:

kormoc, booting w/o a monitor plugged in caused the display to show up on the tv

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polpak:

kormoc, but when X starts the screen flashes a few times, then turns off

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kormoc:

polpak, huh, what's the xlog say?

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polpak:

kormoc, this is I think the relevent section http://pastebin.ca/49471

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polpak:

kormoc, I guess I should try one of the mode it's suggesting.

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kormoc:

Yeah, should

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kormoc:

I've found 800x600 was the best

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** nick125 needs to figure out why his ivtv card is being evil.. **

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nick125:

brb..I'm ognna try to reboot

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polpak:

kormoc, I think the problem is the horizontal refresh

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polpak:

kormoc, I've tried just about everything.. it won't display

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kormoc:

polpak, well, there's sudgested monitor setup in the nvidia readme for tv's and the refresh rates

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polpak:

kormoc, I don't have a copy of the readme

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kormoc:

polpak, it's on their site...

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banyan:

I'm having rubik's cube flashbacks trying to fit my power supply into the case.

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polpak:

kormoc, I've looked before. Do you have a link?

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kormoc:

polpak, http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/ . . . endix-h.html

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banyan:

And they're both Antec!

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kormoc:

banyan, amusing

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polpak:

kormoc, yeah, those are the rates I'm using...

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kormoc:

polpak, here's my xorg.conf for my tvout: http://kormoc.homelinux.org/xorg.conf.nvidia.tvout

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nick125:

blah

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nick125:

something still isn't right..

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nick125:

tveeprom 0–0050: i2c eeprom read error (err=-121)

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nick125:

tveeprom 0–0050: Encountered bad packet header [00]. Corrupt or not a Hauppauge eeprom.

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polpak:

kormoc, It flashes several times then goes black.. Very frustrating

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kormoc:

polpak, very strange... care to put up the entire log? or at least the log grepped for -i nvidia?

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Samsonpwnz:

can someone help me with lirc, im getting ARNING: Error inserting lirc_dev (/lib/modules/2.6.16–1.2080_FC5/updates/drivers/lirc/lirc_dev.ko): Invalid module format

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Anduin:

Samsonpwnz: did you build it yourself?

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polpak:

kormoc, sure

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Samsonpwnz:

i tried, didnt quite work. So i cheated and installed with yum

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Anduin:

Samsonpwnz: from where?

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Samsonpwnz:

atrpms

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Anduin:

Samsonpwnz: Are you sure that is the atrpms one?

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polpak:

http://pastebin.ca/49473

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polpak:

kormoc, ^^ this is what I get when I use 800x600.. All the other settings are the same as yours

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kormoc:

polpak, here's the key

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kormoc:

polpak, (--) NVIDIA(0): Interlaced video modes are not supported on this GPU

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polpak:

kormoc, ok, so how do I disable it?

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Samsonpwnz:

Anduin: let me double check

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kormoc:

polpak, you can't do interlaced tvout, so you'd need a tv that can handle non interlaced video in modes

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polpak:

kormoc, oh

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kormoc:

polpak, and given you get a picture, yours seems to be able to

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kormoc:

polpak, but I donno why it's changing/getting confused

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polpak:

kormoc, I get text on boot, but I can't get a screen in X

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kormoc:

polpak, honestly, I would post about it here: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=14 and see if one of the nvidia devs reply

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polpak:

ok, thanks anyway

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Samsonpwnz:

Anduin: guess not its the FCP rpms, CVS

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Samsonpwnz:

FC5 i mean

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Anduin:

Samsonpwnz: Yeah, remove that stuff, depmod -a, should work then.

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Samsonpwnz:

remove all traces of lirc?

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Anduin:

Samsonpwnz: No, just make sure the atrpms stuff is the only source.

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Samsonpwnz:

ah ok

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** xris curses nvidia's headers **

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Samsonpwnz:

Anduin: ok i removed everything, what exactly shoud i install, or better yet how can i get it to compile from source

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Anduin:

Samsonpwnz: atrpm should have an rpm install it (if you build from source grab from CVS).

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Anduin:

Samsonpwnz: I don't use atrpms, you may need to enable some bleeding repo.

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Samsonpwnz:

i see a lirc 0.8.1-cvs-20060325

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Anduin:

That should be good.

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Samsonpwnz:

what about for the devel, theres no cvs of that

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Samsonpwnz:

will the regular 0.8 work?

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Anduin:

For the lirc client header, should.

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Samsonpwnz:

hrmm.. still not working

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Anduin:

How?

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Samsonpwnz:

i dont need the kmdl;s?

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Anduin:

Samsonpwnz: You would.

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mythicness:

myth's media scripts dont seem to be pulling down movie data

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mythicness:

i am under the commands section now, what should i be looking for?

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Anduin:

mythicness: Go run the command and see what it does.

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mythicness:

ok

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Samsonpwnz:

Anduin: wow! it works, thanks alot. Let's see if I can get everything else working now. I've been through mulitiple distros just trying to get mythtv up

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Anduin:

It is seldom a distro issue.

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Samsonpwnz:

what do i need to do to get mythtv to build lirc support

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Samsonpwnz:

thats what i really want

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mythicness:

Anduin: how shoud i run the command? Just copy the text and run it in shell ?

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Anduin:

Samsonpwnz: rebuilt it with the necessary lirc stuff available (./configure)

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Anduin:

mythicness: Yes.

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Samsonpwnz:

Anduin: im doing configure, says no lirc support., what do i need for it to work?

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Anduin:

Samsonpwnz: It needs to find the client lib and header.

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mythicness:

"/usr/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/imdb.pl -M tv=no;video=no"

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mythicness:

returns nothing

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mythicness:

I tried changing tv=yes and video=yes – same thing

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Anduin:

Samsonpwnz: liblirc_client (lib) and <lirc/lirc_client.h>

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Anduin:

mythicness: It expects a video title

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mythicness:

whats the syntax to add that im?

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mythicness:

im/in

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Samsonpwnz:

should i worry about XvMC support no

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Anduin:

Samsonpwnz: Only if you care about XvMC

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Anduin:

mythicness: did you escape the ;?

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Samsonpwnz:

Ok, compiling mythtv, wish me luck.

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Anduin:

Samsonpwnz: It found lirc?

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Samsonpwnz:

yup! thanks a millionb

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Anduin:

Samsonpwnz: Why not use atrpm for myth as well?

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mythicness:

i must be putting in the wrong syntax here

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mythicness:

Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/imdb.pl line 217.

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Samsonpwnz:

i tried that last week, didnt work very well

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mythicness:

/usr/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/imdb.pl -D 'test'

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Samsonpwnz:

ive decided to do stuff from source if at all possible

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Anduin:

mythicness: Look at what the params actually do

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mythicness:

i am trying

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Anduin:

mythicness: -P and -D takes ids, not names (ids returns by -M)

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mythicness:

oh right

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mythicness:

sorry

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mythicness:

aah ok its working now :)

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mythicness:

-M is for searching – makes sense

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mythicness:

so would myth append the fuzzy moviename at the end of the command?

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mythicness:

Or do i need to put a $1 or something in there?

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Samsonpwnz:

i had it up and running on FC5 last weekend, then by my stupidy i broke lirc somehow, couldnt get it working decided to go to a different distro

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Samsonpwnz:

now im back at square one

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Anduin:

mythicness: No.

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mythicness:

Anduin: Hmm, its still not working though when it updates?

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Anduin:

mythicness: And using roughly the same name to -M works?

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mythicness:

I am checking the log, I see a few errors like "UIImageTy[e::LoadImage() – could not find image: No cover"

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mythicness:

yeah it works

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mythicness:

it works when i run it in the cmd line

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mythicness:

maybe myth is running as wrong user?

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Anduin:

mythicness: So the search returns an empty list?

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mythicness:

no search returned resulsts

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mythicness:

I searched for "test" and got 3 results using -M

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kormoc:

So is anyone here a mpeg 1 expert?

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Anduin:

mythicness: Ok, I'd check your poster dir

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mythicness:

k

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mythicness:

lol

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mythicness:

the folder doesnt exist

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mythicness:

my bad :(

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mchou:

what a PITA

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mchou:

found out my problem was wrong perms on /dev/raw1394

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mchou:

sheesh

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Glasswalkr:

Just a question... If I have a recording scheduled, will it record no matter what I am doing? (playing a dvd, or sitting at the root menu, or watching another recording, or whatever?)

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mythicness:

which is best interface/skin guys?

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Anduin:

Glasswalkr: Yes (unless you are watching tv using the only tuner and answer wrong)

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Anduin:

mythicness: MythCenter

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kormoc:

mythicness, I like G.A.N.T, but it's all up to you

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Samsonpwnz:

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mythicness:

cool thanks andiun

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mythicness:

are these settings sufficient for the default player "xine -pfhq --no-splash"

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Anduin:

Samsonpwnz: Qt, all over, you learn to ignore it.

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kormoc:

Samsonpwnz, unless you really pwnz at c++ coding, then yeah, ignore it

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mythicness:

surely it needs a %s in there for the filename like mplayer had?

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kormoc:

mythicness, are you using 0.19?

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mythicness:

yes i believe so...

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kormoc:

you can just set it to use the internal video player and not use xine/mplayer

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kormoc:

I beleive it is just "Internal" to do so

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mythicness:

oh ok

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mythicness:

so what would i set in teh default player settings? Just leave it blank ?

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mythicness:

nm

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mythicness:

cool its working :D

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mythicness:

hmm, but not for all files

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mythicness:

prolly needs codecs?

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kormoc:

it uses libav, which plays like 90+% of all files.

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mythicness:

heh and the other 10%?

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kormoc:

very few other things play them :)

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mythicness:

kk

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mythicness:

my posters are still not appearing in their folder

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mythicness:

could it be bad permissions on the folder?

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kormoc:

sure could

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mythicness:

should i chown the MythVideo folder to 777 ?

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kormoc:

could try

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mythicness:

i must be doing something wrong

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mythicness:

"chown MythVideo 666"

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mythicness:

"invalid user" ?

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Anduin:

wrong ch

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kormoc:

sure, try switching the 666 with MythVideo

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kormoc:

mythicness, and try chmod rather then chown

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mythicness:

oh sorry

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mythicness:

ok let me try

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mythicness:

thanks

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JustinS:

grumble .. K, so my mysql server runs on my server (it's got all the movies) .. I fire up mythtv-setup and feed it the info .. then it hands me "Unable to connect to database" No error type from QSql server? Strange... Failed to init MythContext, exiting.... .. and on the server the data base mythconverg exists .. help?

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** JustinS mythtv-setup runs on my media computer .. mysql runs on my server .. **

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Samsonpwnz:

Justins: you have the qt-msql driver?

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JustinS:

Samsonpwnz: Yes .. I emerged mythtv with mysql and re-emerged qt for mysql support ..

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Samsonpwnz:

i had that same error, and that fixed it for me. but i dont run gentoo so im not much help

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JustinS:

aha .. I think it's a data base thing .. but I'm pretty ignorant about mysql .. I have several sites using it for their galleries but it was cake to setup ..

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mythicness:

hmm, my MythVideo folder is still empty

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mchou:

xris: do you have /dev/video1394 in your device tree?

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xris:

nope

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mythicness:

i ran 'chmod -c 777 MythVideo'

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kormoc:

mythicness, try -R instead

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kormoc:

just to make sure everything below it also changes

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mythicness:

so: 'chmod -c 777 -r MythVideo' ?

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kormoc:

chmod -R 777 MythVideo

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kormoc:

or if you really want, chmod -cR 777 MythVideo

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mythicness:

k

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SlicerDicer:

lucky number 7!

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SlicerDicer:

;-)

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Samsonpwnz:

crap

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Samsonpwnz:

./usr/lib/qt-3.3/include/qgl.h:80:21: error: GL/glu.h: No such file or directory

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mythicness:

where do I put custom themes?

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kormoc:

check the readme that is with the theme

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mythicness:

k

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liran:

i got myself a tv_grab_il script that downloads the tv channels and exports them to tv.xml – how do i now make use of it?

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applejack:

Q: is it possible to set up a mythtv backend to stream the currently tuned channel so that you can watch TV on a system without mythtv?

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mythicness:

kormoc: the readme just says who the creator i

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mythicness:

i/is

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mythicness:

nothing about installation

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applejack:

using mms:// for instance

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kormoc:

applejack, not really, no, as the backend streams to frontends.

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kormoc:

applejack, you could just say share the video directory via samba and watch it that way

[05:06:03]

mythicness:

found it – /usr/share/mythtv/themes/

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Samsonpwnz:

ok, i have mesa installed, whats with the missing glu.h

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mythicness:

still having no joy with this imdb perl script :(

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mythicness:

i tried running mythfrontend as root

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mythicness:

I suppose it may be the backend though that access's the pl script ?

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mythicness:

any ideas?

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mythicness:

I know – ill check the backend log file :D

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MindHack:

would anyone happen to know how to connect to a unix domain socket in bash?

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kormoc:

MindHack, don't you just read/write to it as if it was a file?

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MindHack:

I certainly assumed this, redirects nor pipes with either echo or cat dont work

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applejack:

hmmm,.... it might be possible to achieve what I was after by using VLC to stream /dev/video0

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MindHack:

telnet bitches about it

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kormoc:

MindHack, then I would assume you just can't, as it would require the connect function

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mythicness:

i dont get this...

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mythicness:

if i manually enter the imdb number in then it loads the movie data

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mythicness:

but it refuses to search for it?

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mythicness:

the parameters seem to be 100%

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Juski:

mythicness: depends on the search terms and what the imdb site has for it

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mythicness:

yeah – but if i run the query manually with the title it finds it

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mythicness:

using the pl script)

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Juski:

maybe the metadata has non-printable characters in it

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Juski:

or CD2 after it

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rtsai:

mythicness: I think the search is based on the filename of your movie file

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rtsai:

so if you have weird filenames (like me), then the search won't work

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Juski:

your.video.pdtv.xvid.blah.xvid.f0zi.warez.naughty ;-)

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Juski:

instead of just your.video

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rtsai:

well, even something like 2003_moviename.iso breaks the script :P

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** kormoc loves the guy who does movie.1.mpeg movie.2.mpeg movie.3.mpeg **

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mythicness:

hmm, you may be right jutski

[05:37:59]

mythicness:

does myth ever do a global auto search?

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Juski:

what the imdb.pl script needs is an un-leet function

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mythicness:

dont really want to manually try and search for each title in the video manager :p

[05:38:46]

Juski:

mythicness: that's what the list & gallery modes are for.

[05:39:10]

Juski:

it's not really designed for huge numbers of videos.

[05:39:27]

Juski:

putting movies into categories can be good for you though

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mythicness:

there must be a script out there to do a batch retrieval

[05:39:37]

Juski:

you can set viewing filters

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Samsonpwnz:

from mythmainwindow.cpp:22:

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Samsonpwnz:

/usr/lib/qt-3.3/include/qgl.h:80:21: error: GL/glu.h: No such file or directory

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Juski:

so you'd be able to filter on years, etc

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Samsonpwnz:

why am I getting this error trying to compile?

[05:40:20]

Juski:

Samsonpwnz: you're missing the Qt GL libraries

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rtsai:

Juski: I think mythicness is trying to import lots of stuff into MythVideo, not navigating an existing collection ...

[05:41:16]

Juski:

Samsonpwnz: google the error you got, or at least the error: GL/glu.h bit

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mythicness:

Juski: Filters? how you mean? I just want all my movie files in the media gallery to have info for them preloaded

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rtsai:

Samsonpwnz: you need libglu1-mesa-dev

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mythicness:

type=[fuzy] looser search

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mythicness:

I wonder if that will help?

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Samsonpwnz:

rtsai: i have that

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Juski:

mythicness: you can hit m in any of the display modes & bring up a filter menu

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Juski:

anyway – it shouldn't be hard to make a script to automate adding the metadata

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mythicness:

yeah

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mythicness:

type=[fuzy]

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mythicness:

can I just set that to "type=fuzy"

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mythicness:

?

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Juski:

but the problem is, you'll have stupid filenames screwing it up

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mythicness:

doesnt seem to make a diff when im testing it in the prompt

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mythicness:

yeah

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Juski:

just how many videos are we talking about here?

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Juski:

worth spending an afternoon doing them manually – at least they'll all be right

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Juski:

and you only ever need do it once

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mythicness:

around 500

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mythicness:

and counting :D

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Anduin:

delete some

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mythicness:

gonna be looking ar around 4TB of movies eventually once my RAID card is sorted out

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Juski:

500 videos, all of DVDs you own? I doubt that somehow

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mythicness:

lol, ill email you then andiun

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mythicness:

:/

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Juski:

500 vids won't take that long to do

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Juski:

you wanna try re-tagging 150,000 MP3s

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Samsonpwnz:

i cant find a qt-gl package

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mythicness:

yeah but its gonna be a mission hitting i under the vid manager each time i get a new movie

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mythicness:

i want it to be automated

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Juski:

course you do

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Anduin:

mythicness: Make a good patch.

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mythicness:

yeah maybe i will

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mythicness:

definitely something that would be useful eh?

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Juski:

Samsonpwnz: try something like libglu1-mesa-dev

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Juski:

or (ahem) libglu-dev

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Anduin:

mythicness: Only to insane people, but if it did a better job at guessing...

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Juski:

it already does a good job at guessing. It's just downloaded files that throw it off

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bsf:

hrmm

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Juski:

probably just another way mythtv doesnt support filesharing :-D

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Anduin:

It does very little work to improve guessing.

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mythicness:

http://www.imdb.com/find?q=miller;type=fuzy

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Samsonpwnz:

thanks Juski, that worked, actually it was mesa-libGLU-devel

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** Samsonpwnz continues compiling :) **

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mythicness:

dont support anyone knows that "fuzy" needs to be set to – that doesnt seem to make any difference in the search

[05:50:43]

mythicness:

that seems to open the query up: http://www.imdb.com/find?fr=c2l0ZT1kZnx0dD0xf . . . 0x;lm=0;nr=1

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mythicness:

but what parameter do I need... hmmm.

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mythicness:

(sorry for thinking out aloud)

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Juski:

so just edit the metadata for the video, edit the title to what the film title _really_ is, then search on that

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Juski:

I find if the title's close it'll get it or at least narrow it down to a few I can choose from

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Juski:

this isnt rocket science – you're just being lazy IMHO

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mishehu:

grrr... I don't get it, I just rented a dvd that won't play in either my toshiba or plextor dvd drives on the computer, but will play on my older toshiba dvd player.

[05:52:06]

mythicness:

i think you can set an option in the pl script to auto loosen up the query

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mythicness:

not being lazy,just trying to automate and see what the things capable of :D

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Juski:

probably capable of getting the mythvideo plugin noticed by imdb.com

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Juski:

it's already on thin ice

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mythicness:

but its just an http request? How can they tell ?

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Juski:

depends on what the request looks like

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Juski:

might just look like PERL

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mythicness:

yeah, well if u make it intelligently then its full proof

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Juski:

you know.. the 'browser' bit of the request

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mishehu:

the toshiba dvd drive doesn't even recognize a medium in the drive, and the plextor plays but I get all sorts of crap in the picture.

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mythicness:

you just set the user-agent to appear like a browser and you're sorted

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mishehu:

any of you guys encountered any disks recently that do this?

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Juski:

mishehu: sounds like the disk is borked

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Juski:

mythicness: in the time this has taken you coulda edited the metadata for at least 10 videos by now

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liran:

im attempting to run tv_grab_il but its complaining about "Can't locate XMLTV/Capabilities.pm" which i cant find anywhere... any ideas?

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mishehu:

Juski: it does to me too, i just don't know why the toshiba player is able to read it and not the toshiba drive

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Juski:

mishehu: different laser mechanisms. they used to make them better

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mishehu:

Juski: and i'd have thought they'd improve over time.

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mishehu:

heh

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Juski:

liran: you're missing a PERL component, maybe

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mishehu:

liran: looks like you *are* missing a perl module

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mishehu:

Haser lcha!

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Juski:

mishehu: nah – CDs used to be fully opaque – now if you hold one up to the light you can see through it

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mishehu:

heh.

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liran:

yeah but which? i mean, i cant find anything like the name xml capabilities on the web

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mishehu:

Juski: DVD's have always sported 2 layers in them.

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Juski:

not always, mishehu

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mishehu:

ok, at least for the past 10 years they have.

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mishehu:

heh

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Juski:

they've always had the capacity to have 2 layers but not all discs came with 2

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mishehu:

Juski: I meant the capacity

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Juski:

since now we get a 1.5 hour movie & 16 hours of shite shot on mini DV

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mishehu:

some discs made today are two sided instead of two layered

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Juski:

only extras thing I ever enjoyed watching was the Matrix DVD's explanation of 'bullet time'

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Juski:

unseen footage etc... who cares? if it wasn't good enough to be in the movie I don't give a damn

[06:00:24]

Juski:

anyway...

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mishehu:

Juski: cut scenes are sometimes good

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mchou:

mishehu: so was HDCP turned on for your premium channels?

[06:01:29]

mishehu:

mchou: I don't actually have any premium channels.. . (no hbo, no skinemax, no nada)

[06:01:50]

Juski:

hey with HD-DVD they can have extra content on the disk but you might have to pay to unlock them. now there's a cool idea :-/

[06:01:55]

mchou:

mishehu: so what package are you subscribed to?

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mishehu:

mchou: xris claims that they are required to provide it on "all" channels that are subscribed, but the resolution only needs to be 480p

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kormoc:

Juski, some directors cuts are rather nice

[06:02:17]

mchou:

mishehu: thats HDCP for ya :)

[06:02:23]

mishehu:

mchou: I have standard digital cable... you know, typical stations like comedy central, scifi, tlc, discover, etc...

[06:02:49]

Juski:

still though – 480p is better than 480i. and anything's better than ntsc

[06:02:55]

mchou:

mishehu: so comedy central, can you record HD or only 480?

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xris:

mishehu: all subscribed HD channels

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mchou:

mishehu: as an example

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mishehu:

xris: ah, that's what I was trying to clarify with you yesterday

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mishehu:

miscommunication

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mishehu:

mchou: I get nothing at all on comedy central, and on hd channels I get a picture, but it's quite choppy and still no audio.

[06:04:14]

mchou:

mishehu: no audio still??

[06:04:17]

Juski:

anyway – 7am, time for breakfast & more bathroom renovating

[06:04:26]

mishehu:

mchou: no. the popping is gone, but now nothing.

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mishehu:

just video

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mchou:

mishehu: you know you can used "mplayer -identify" and it will tell you whether audio stream is present and what kind

[06:05:18]

mishehu:

xris: do you get video and audio on, say, comedy central, when using the firewire?

[06:05:34]

mishehu:

mchou: no mplayer here. can that be done with xine?

[06:05:36]

mchou:

mishehu: might help you to narrow down the problem

[06:05:59]

mchou:

mishehu: yeah. think so. the "verbose" option

[06:06:18]

mishehu:

mchou: I was trying to use libiec61833's test-mpeg2 program, but it doesn't let me specify the port *and* the node.

[06:06:23]

mchou:

mishehu: but the info is not well organized in xine

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mchou:

mishehu: hih???

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xris:

mishehu: everything except vh1

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xris:

afk

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mchou:

mishehu: huh*

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mchou:

mishehu: you have more than 1 firewire card in the system??

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mchou:

or chip

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mishehu:

mchou: my audigy 2 zs platinum has 2 ports on it, one in back and one on the front panel unit, and then I tried another firewire card. plugreport does tell me which port/node is online, so that's how I even get the video.

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mishehu:

so 2 cards, 3 controllers I guess

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mchou:

mishehu: bah. I think plugctl lets you spec both port and node simultaneously

[06:10:18]

mishehu:

I wanted to hook up my one windoze box that i did some video editing in the past with and see if I can dump anything from it since I can't get test-mpeg2 to work.

[06:10:43]

mchou:

mishehu: test-mpeg2 works here

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mchou:

make sure your download the latest from linux1394.org

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mishehu:

mchou: yeah, libiec61833 1.0.0.

[06:12:22]

mchou:

lol, that's ancient

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mishehu:

that's what was on linux1394.org I believe

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mchou:

I have old ones and they are more recent thann that

[06:13:08]

mchou:

I have 1.1

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mishehu:

mchou: look on linux1394.org...

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mchou:

mishehu: use svn

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mishehu:

Latest libiec61883 release is v1.0.0 (md5sum)

[06:13:34]

mishehu:

ah, well, nobody said use svn ;-)

[06:13:45]

mishehu:

mchou: what libraw and libavc1394 do you use?

[06:14:06]

mchou:

what do you think "latest" means?

[06:14:18]

liran:

ok i think i managed to tweak the tv_grab_il script to work

[06:14:22]

penticlex:

where is the xml that controles key mapping?

[06:14:41]

kormoc:

penticlex, it's not xml I don't beleive, I do beleive it's stored in the database

[06:14:48]

mishehu:

mchou: latest is an adjective, and if it's not clear that you're using it as a noun, I might think you meant "latest release" ;-)

[06:14:52]

mchou:

raw=1.2, avc=0.5.1

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mishehu:

liran: are you uable to do me a favor?

[06:15:33]

mchou:

mishehu: what's your beefiest system?

[06:15:46]

penticlex:

I have everything on my remote working but the power and ther channel up and down buttons

[06:15:55]

mishehu:

liran: I need to give a presentation to my music class on israeli music, and it's a bitch to find music videos from the USA... do you have any good recordings off of the israeli music channel on cable?

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mchou:

mishehu: lol

[06:16:20]

mishehu:

mchou: my best machine is a dual core opteron 270, but it's a server ;-) the desktop is a ahtlon64 3700+

[06:16:38]

mchou:

mishehu: Isael doesnt have RIAA equivalent?

[06:16:50]

mchou:

Israel*

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mishehu:

mchou: educational purposes heh.

[06:17:01]

** mishehu mashtin (pees) on the RIAA **

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penticlex:

dI decided yo use xbindkeys for keymapping cause I could not get lircd working with my tuners ir reviever

[06:17:35]

mishehu:

mchou: anyway, the mythbox itself is an athlon xp 3200

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mchou:

mishehu: 3200, is that backend or fe?

[06:18:06]

liran:

mishehu: dont think so, i dont listen to israeli music so i dont have any :P

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mchou:

liran: haha!!

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mishehu:

liran: nu, how old are you? heh. well, what capture equipment do you have?

[06:19:34]

penticlex:

any one know how to get a better picture?

[06:19:59]

mishehu:

mchou: common phase for folks in their teens over there... most grow out of it when they realize that the feeling of "it's bad if it's israeli" isn't true...

[06:22:58]

mishehu:

hmm that was a conversation killer

[06:25:06]

penticlex:

sorry

[06:25:12]

mishehu:

hmm svn log for libiec61883 has one entry from this year and the next most recent are from nov 2005... sounds like I didn't get the right one... the repository is at rev 68

[06:25:25]

mishehu:

penticlex: I thought I killed the conversation

[06:26:06]

mchou:

mishehu: take a look at this. click on the "listen" link: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5134530

[06:26:25]

mchou:

mishehu: great story

[06:27:25]

mishehu:

mchou: ichs klezmer

[06:27:32]

mishehu:

ghetto/shtetl music.

[06:27:38]

mchou:

mishehu: listen to the story

[06:27:45]

mchou:

dont just read it

[06:28:38]

mishehu:

can't, I'm not able to concentrate on that much right now

[06:29:08]

mishehu:

but jsut to clarify, klezmer is not the music style that depicts modern israeli music.

[06:29:37]

mchou:

mishehu: I swear you will be impressed (and so will the class)

[06:29:43]

mishehu:

mchou: is your libiec61883 at rev 68?

[06:30:08]

mchou:

I dont know what rev it is

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mishehu:

mchou: there goes konqueror.....

[06:31:09]

mishehu:

*crash*

[06:31:28]

mchou:

mishehu: the story is a "dont miss"

[06:32:04]

mchou:

especially towards the end when they interview Dick Dale

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mchou:

you should take this story to class

[06:32:44]

mishehu:

mchou: it might be, but konqueror doesn't like it... and even if it does, I bet xine would take a shit because half of the wma/wmv v8 or higher doesn't work well on my ahtlon64

[06:33:06]

mchou:

mishehu: use the realplayer version

[06:33:25]

mchou:

mishehu: stop with the lame excuses. Use windows if you have to

[06:33:39]

mchou:

I play it with konq and helixplayer fine

[06:34:44]

mishehu:

./test-mpeg2 -r 1 >>

[06:34:44]

mishehu:

libiec61883 warning: No plugs exist on either node; using default broadcast channel 63.

[06:34:53]

mishehu:

it's port 2 node 1...

[06:35:28]

mishehu:

bah bad copy & paste, it's ./test-mpeg2 -r 1 > /tmp/bah.ts

[06:38:18]

liran:

where do i set that im working with xmltv and a local tv_grab_il rather than the zap2it account

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liran:

im on the mythtv-setup -> video sources -> video source setup -> and im seeing the xmltv listings grabber combobox option to choose from existing scripts but i dont see the tv_grab_il as one of them while i did copy it to the /usr/bin/ and /usr/share/xmltv

[06:42:26]

mishehu:

grrr

[06:44:56]

mchou:

mishehu: try "xine rtsp://real.npr.org:80/real.npr.na-central/we . . . _14.rm"

[06:45:13]

mchou:

mishehu: should work w/ no problem

[06:46:10]

mchou:

mishehu: you need a break anyways

[06:48:17]

mishehu:

jeezuz fucking kryst, it only takes in 2 chars and atoi's them... how the hell could I specify port and node for test-mpeg2 ???

[06:50:19]

mishehu:

mchou: if I take a break it'll just be to go to sleep.

[06:50:32]

mishehu:

which looks likely because I can't get shit to work on this.

[06:50:54]

mchou:

mishehu: trust me, you dont want to miss this story

[06:51:05]

kormoc:

would anyone be willing to give me a 15 second, analog clip, raw yuv format video clip?

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kormoc:

well, even 5 seconds would be fine

[06:51:58]

mchou:

kormoc: what are you trying to do?

[06:52:15]

kormoc:

mchou, I need a test clip to mess with yuvdenoise

[06:52:31]

kormoc:

mchou, and right now, my mythbox is down, so I can't just grab it myself

[06:52:45]

mchou:

kormoc: ok. sorry I cant help ya there

[06:53:30]

kormoc:

mchou, oddly enough, yuvdenoise seems to deinterlace, denoise, and encode, as the code claims the output is a progressive mpeg1 stream

[06:53:42]

mchou:

mishehu: paste your plugreport in pastebin

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mishehu:

mchou: sec

[06:54:13]

mishehu:

that pastebin.com?

[06:54:23]

mchou:

yeah

[06:55:34]

mishehu:

mchou: http://pastebin.com/662663

[06:56:14]

mchou:

mishehu: you have 3 firewire chips??

[06:56:31]

mishehu:

mchou: 2 on the audigy, 1 separate controller card.

[06:56:46]

mchou:

talk about making life complicated

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mishehu:

mchou: I didn't have the separate controller card in there until I wanted to see if there was a problem with the audigy

[06:57:27]

mishehu:

and I've not removed it because it's a little pain to get at the box right now.

[06:57:31]

mchou:

mishehu: paste "ls -al /dev/raw*"

[06:58:22]

mishehu:

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 2006-04–15 00:04 raw1394 -> raw/raw1394

[06:58:28]

mishehu:

crw-rw-rw- 1 mythtv users 171, 0 2006-04–15 00:03 raw1394 (in /dev/raw)

[06:59:19]

mchou:

where the hell is rawctl?

[06:59:45]

mishehu:

good question.

[06:59:53]

mishehu:

I didn't know there was supposed to be a rawctl device

[07:00:05]

mishehu:

I'm using udev btw, in case you couldn't tell

[07:00:32]

mishehu:

udev 064, kernel 2.6.16.5

[07:00:55]

mchou:

anyways, everything is working

[07:01:11]

mchou:

dunno what you screwing up

[07:01:27]

mchou:

modify the test-mpeg.c sourc if you have to

[07:01:55]

mchou:

to point to the right port

[07:02:19]

mchou:

it aint difficult at all

[07:05:07]

mchou:

in your case I'd say change line ~ 120 "raw1394handle_t handle = raw1394_new_handle_on_port (0);" to (2);

[07:05:20]

mishehu:

I just saw that

[07:05:33]

mishehu:

kinda dumb for them to have hardcoded that in the first place.

[07:06:06]

mchou:

mishehu: you're welcom to submit a patch :)

[07:06:11]

mchou:

welcome*

[07:06:54]

mishehu:

maybe tomorrow.

[07:06:57]

mishehu:

in the meantime, still getting 0 bytes.

[07:07:27]

mishehu:

libiec61883 warning: Established connection on channel 0.

[07:07:27]

mishehu:

You may need to manually set the channel on the receiving node.

[07:08:03]

mchou:

those msgs are normal

[07:08:17]

mishehu:

ok

[07:08:22]

mishehu:

still nada though.

[07:08:30]

mchou:

getting 0 on the other hand is not

[07:08:51]

mchou:

mishehu: paste lspci output

[07:09:05]

mishehu:

mchou: sec, pastebinning

[07:11:07]

mishehu:

odd, some things that I thought I had disabled in the cmos are still showing up

[07:11:14]

mchou:

and you need to make sure you are using the test-mpeg2 you just compiles

[07:11:22]

mchou:

compiled*

[07:11:54]

mishehu:

http://pastebin.com/662683

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mishehu:

yeah, I rm'ed the original test-mpeg2 and reran make on it.

[07:12:38]

mchou:

lol

[07:12:52]

liran:

mishehu: are you working with a tv_grab_il script?

[07:12:57]

mchou:

I dunno what the hell you need 3 firewire chips for

[07:13:17]

mishehu:

liran: I'm not in il these days

[07:13:26]

mchou:

the is the nforce2 one, the audigy one, and the via one

[07:13:36]

mishehu:

mchou: I can yank the extra one in the morning.

[07:13:38]

liran:

mishehu: ahh ok

[07:13:45]

mishehu:

but 2 controllers are still on the audigy I think.

[07:13:45]

mchou:

why dont you just use the nforce one?

[07:13:59]

mishehu:

mchou: that was is supposed to be disabled in the cmos.

[07:14:00]

liran:

i got the tv_grab_il script working, and it's outputing an xmltv format xml file but i've no clue how to set this up on myhtv-setup

[07:14:05]

mishehu:

the nforce one.

[07:14:37]

mishehu:

that one was

[07:14:42]

mishehu:

gah I can't type already.

[07:14:52]

mishehu:

tomorrow is another day... we can pick this up tomorrow.

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liran:

anyone still up?

[07:41:50]

kormoc:

nope

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liran:

just a general question, heh

[07:47:06]

liran:

i was just wondering about audio grabbing...

[07:47:31]

liran:

i've tested with the pvr150 that i can record the movie, but what about sound? has does that work?

[07:47:45]

liran:

cause ill be using either rca-svideo or the rf input.

[07:48:11]

Anduin:

liran: What do you mean by how?

[07:48:28]

liran:

lets take the rf input for example first.

[07:48:37]

liran:

does the rf signal carry both video and audio on it?

[07:48:48]

Anduin:

liran: Yes.

[07:49:16]

liran:

Anduin: ok so i dont have to worry about the rf if sound on my system is configured properly.

[07:49:48]

liran:

Anduin: now what about rca-svideo? if i connect the yellow rca cable from the dvd to the capture card it's only capturing video right? not sound.

[07:50:04]

Anduin:

liran: Correct, it should all be on the coax, unless you do svideo, then use the audio in.

[07:50:32]

liran:

Anduin: the audio-in on the computer or the capture card?

[07:50:45]

liran:

(im asking cause i dont think the pvr150 model has an audio-in input)

[07:50:55]

kormoc:

computer, aye

[07:51:20]

liran:

ok. so for that, don't i need some driver for audio-in or program to record? like im using mplayer to play dvds.

[07:51:23]

Anduin:

liran: The 150 has no audio in?

[07:51:34]

kormoc:

Anduin, nope

[07:52:07]

kormoc:

liran, you need a driver for your sound card, and yeah, if you don't use myth for the svideo, then yeha, you'll need another program that can grab that

[07:52:17]

kormoc:

Anduin, rather sure it didn't...

[07:52:45]

kormoc:

ooh, so it does!

[07:52:45]

Anduin:

kormoc: weird, as all the others do (I don't actually have a 150)

[07:52:49]

kormoc:

http://www.hauppauge.com/images/pvr150-250_ep_bg.jpg

[07:52:53]

liran:

kormoc: im using mythtv ofcourse. just wondering if i need to do something special or is myth taking care of it :)

[07:53:10]

Anduin:

Yeah, I was going to say it would suck a bit to have to get the audio back in the mpeg.

[07:53:20]

kormoc:

liran, so yeah, you just need a converter from the rca jacks to the audio in plug

[07:53:30]

kormoc:

Anduin, yeah, too many bttv cards on the brain :)

[07:53:36]

Anduin:

Yup :)

[07:53:43]

liran:

and then all the work is done by the pvr? no need to worry? :)

[07:53:48]

kormoc:

righto!

[07:54:00]

liran:

ahh ok

[07:54:06]

liran:

thanks then.

[07:54:12]

Anduin:

The way nature intended.

[07:54:18]

liran:

hehe

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mchou:

anyone know if xvmc is used during the commercial detection? I mean does commercial detection take less cpu if xvmc is eabled and compiled into myth?

[07:55:26]

kormoc:

mchou, Xv/XvMC is playback only, so no, it doesn't

[07:55:26]

mchou:

(as opposed to not having xvmc)

[07:55:30]

ivor:

no, just used for playback

[07:55:45]

mchou:

bah, that's really too bad

[07:56:02]

ivor:

feel free to make a patch. :D

[07:56:11]

mchou:

so much for using a low end box as a backend for flagging

[07:56:27]

Anduin:

just watch the commercials

[07:56:33]

mchou:

screw that

[07:56:46]

mchou:

that's the whole point to myth

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ivor:

Anduin: no but then he'll be lured into buying stuff he doesnt need and won't have enough cash for a faster backend.

[07:57:01]

mchou:

if I wanted to watch commericals I'd get tivo

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eiggirC:

here's a related question – on a low-CPU backend does it make sense to commflag while recording? or is that better batch-processed later?

[07:59:24]

mchou:

eiggirC: best to do it while sleeping

[07:59:36]

eiggirC:

mchou: even with a hardware encoder card?

[07:59:51]

eiggirC:

I was wondering if it would mean loading the data once less

[08:00:04]

mchou:

eiggirC: no, I meant if you had low end cpu

[08:00:40]

mchou:

if you have beefy enough cpu commercial flagging while record is fast and good

[08:00:43]

liran:

im gonna have to ask for help on this one

[08:00:57]

eiggirC:

mchou: I need more CPU... my nuvexports take a week sometimes

[08:01:11]

kormoc:

eiggirC, it likely doesn't matter, as the cpu load shouldn't harm the recording

[08:01:16]

eiggirC:

mchou: whats the minimum CPU for commflagging while recording ?

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mchou:

eiggirC: I have that same proc, and I flag while record with 2 pvr150's :)

[08:01:45]

eiggirC:

mchou: does the same box rum nuvexport at all?

[08:01:46]

mchou:

eiggirC: sometime 2 streams at the same time :)

[08:01:57]

eiggirC:

okay mchou I'll try turning it on

[08:01:58]

mchou:

eiggirC: hell no to nuvexport

[08:02:07]

liran:

i've got a tv_grab_il for my country but i've no idea how to add it to the video source listing on mythtv-setup... its just not there.

[08:02:08]

kormoc:

eiggirC, even when commflag while recording is set, it doesn't do it live, it just starts the process at the same time, it can still be fine taking longer then the recording to flag

[08:02:16]

mchou:

eiggirC: what's the point to nuvexport anyways?

[08:02:19]

eiggirC:

mchou: the other problem here is that commercials are only detected reliably about 60% of he time

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eiggirC:

mchou: to store the recordings in smaller size so I can pack more in, and they don't take up space on my mythbackend.

[08:02:56]

mchou:

eiggirC: I get a much better rate. I'd say 85–90%

[08:03:00]

eiggirC:

mchou: I have a nfs share on my main server for that

[08:03:12]

eiggirC:

mchou: yeah – the local TV companies like using fades.

[08:04:17]

mchou:

crap, I'm going to build a new backend tonight

[08:04:27]

mchou:

more beef!!

[08:04:36]

eiggirC:

mchou: cool – do me a couple while you're at it.

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mchou:

eiggirC: screw you dude :)

[08:05:01]

mchou:

eiggirC: I got enough problems :)

[08:05:20]

eiggirC:

mchou: I'll give you my old backend to use as a doorstop

[08:05:46]

mchou:

eiggirC: yeah, but that P3 cant be beat for QUIET

[08:05:56]

eiggirC:

mchou: who cares – its in the garage

[08:06:02]

mchou:

that's the only reason I kept it

[08:06:22]

mchou:

your garage is wired for lan?

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eiggirC:

mchou: bloody right – all my servers are out there

[08:06:39]

eiggirC:

was too loud in the house

[08:06:50]

mchou:

eiggirC: you have AC in the garage??

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eiggirC:

mchou: no – I'm at latitude 42 south

[08:07:14]

mchou:

during afternoons garages get super hot here :)

[08:07:29]

mchou:

well into the evening too

[08:08:17]

eiggirC:

Mine gets hot in January, but no more than 30 degrees.

[08:09:01]

mchou:

Celsius??

[08:09:29]

mchou:

30 degrees aint hot at all. nz must be cold during summer :)

[08:09:54]

eiggirC:

mchou: I think the hottest my drives have reported is around 55 degrees C

[08:10:08]

eiggirC:

(sorry should have remembered the units :)

[08:10:14]

eiggirC:

then I put a fan on them

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mchou:

my computers seem to be multiplyig during Easter

[08:11:10]

eiggirC:

mchou: you have a virus

[08:11:15]

eiggirC:

its called the pregnancy virus

[08:11:22]

eiggirC:

often hits groups of computers socially

[08:11:32]

eiggirC:

etc etc

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eiggirC:

g'night all

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mchou:

I dont notice any bulging bellies

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liran:

i got myself an xmltv file (tv.xml)... how do i populate it to the program guide on mythtv?

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Agrajag-:

liran: mythfilldatabase with --file

[08:21:47]

liran:

ok it doesnt seem to work

[08:21:49]

liran:

Unknown xmltv channel identifier: Hot

[08:21:50]

liran:

Skipping channel.

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mchou:

liran: sound like a pr0n channel

[08:22:39]

liran:

lol

[08:22:43]

mchou:

looks like myth got parental smarts :)

[08:22:46]

liran:

it's out cable company name, hot.net.il :)

[08:23:38]

mchou:

liran: proves my point. cable cos are the biggest peddlers of smut

[08:24:14]

liran:

ok im trying a different script and it seems to go through just fine (i think)

[08:25:17]

liran:

at first it said alot of 'Ignoring empty timestamp' and then

[08:25:18]

liran:

removing existing program: 31.yes ???? ????? ??????? 2006-04–16T07:00:00 – 2006-04–16T07:00:00

[08:25:19]

liran:

inserting new program : 31.yes ???? ????? ??????? Sun Apr 16 07:00:00 2006 – Sun Apr 16 08:00:00 2006

[08:27:07]

liran:

i restarted myth-backend and mythfrontend but in the program guide i still see like 120 channels all 'unknown'

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liran:

ok i see the problem

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liran:

the tv_grab_il script doesnt assign channel numbers automatically

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timbo_:

can anyone help me track down why I have sound pausing while the video seems to be OK, in the frontend log there's continually rebuffering messages

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Coume:

morning laga

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sean33:

how do i start the web interface i had it working once before but havent added the start up command oviously ?

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LLyric:

it's just some scripts for a normal httpd

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LLyric:

"service httpd start" (under redhat/fedora)

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LLyric:

something similar for other distros

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SirPrize:

When I'm watching LiveTV, and decide to record the program I'm currently viewing by hitting the 'r' key, I'd expect to be able to hit the 'ENTER' key at some point to save the position, so that when I start viewing the recording, it skips the parts I've already seen. This doesn't seem to work. Can anyone else confirm this?

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port7:

anyone using mythphone with fwd?

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port7:

wondering what server you put for the registration

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port7:

and the username is it your number or somthing else?

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chinamill:

any Canal digital users around?

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defi_:

I have a frontend and seperate backend and I keep getting frequent lockups when watching livetv, any ideas where to look for the problem?

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gardengnome:

defi_: i'd suggest that you take a look at both frontend and backend logs.

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defi_:

gardengnome Where is the frontend log?

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gardengnome:

defi_: just start it in a terminal and watch the output. you can also redirect the output to a file, see mythfrontend --help

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defi_:

gardengnome ok just did that, to bad the frontend dosent have its own log

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gardengnome:

defi_: mine has one ;)

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defi_:

gardengnome you redirect to a file?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

defi_: -l /path/to/mythfrontend.log

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defi_:

RaYmAn-Bx thx I was just reading that only, I use mythwelcome and it dosent take those options

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defi_:

although I did run mythfrontend and my problem went away...

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defi_:

maybe mythwelcome is the culprit

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defi_:

Yup I think its mythwelcome

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hashbang:

heya

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chinamill:

Hello; is it hard to set up a dvb system with CI and CAM?

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hashbang:

chinamill: I suspect you're somewhere out on the bleeding edge with that. :-]

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mrWeemen:

ghehe

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mrWeemen:

is there a good easy way to check a tv cable, cause I've lot of noise and I have already have a signal amplification device (do't know the right woord for it). When I set the frequency on the same frequency as the tv downstairs then I have a shitload off video noise. Sound is perfect

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hashbang:

mrWeemen: you mean a 'video sender'?

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mrWeemen:

uhh yeah I think so

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mrWeemen:

no it's not, asked my dad :P it's signal amplifier, when cables are long then they lose their signal this device just should amplifie the signal

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mchou:

ok, I just upgraded to 0.19, and all the sudden I have a lot of .png thumbnails inmy recordings directory. Do those get deleted automatically?

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hashbang:

mrWeemen: easiest way to check a cable's basic integrity is with a multimeter or continuity tester

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hashbang:

mrWeemen: failing that, a small bulb and a small battery

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mchou:

hashbang: bah, for coax that's virtually uesless

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mchou:

useless*

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laga:

mchou: that's normal, imho. these are the preview thumbnails

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hashbang:

mrWeemen: that won't reveal all faults, but it'll let you know if the cable is /really/ shot.

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mchou:

laga: but they seem to stick around even if the recordings get deleted?

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mchou:

laga: it there a thread lat laters deteles them?

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mchou:

s/lat/later

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mrWeemen:

ok thnx hashbang

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laga:

mchou: probably, dunno

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hashbang:

mrWeemen: failing that take things out of the loop, use shorter cables, etc.

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hashbang:

mrWeemen: note, that if your original signal has noise, the amplifier will amplify that as well as the signal.

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mchou:

mrWeemen: problem with bad coax cables is termination, loss, and reflection

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mchou:

mrWeemen: sound like a 12 step program :)

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mchou:

mrWeemen: also how is this amplifier powered?

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mrWeemen:

on the regular powernet

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mchou:

so AC power?

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mrWeemen:

yups

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mchou:

that aint cool

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mrWeemen:

the tv from my brother which is 1 room further works perfect

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mchou:

sigh. I still havent figured out why xine uses only 60% cpu while myth takes 90% cpu playing 1080 (both using xvmc)

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mchou:

mrWeemen: then it's easy to isolate :)

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laga:

mchou: different deinterlacing algos?

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mchou:

laga: dunno what xine is using, but myth is using bob

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mrWeemen:

that's why I think my cable broke or something, I just had the latest drivers for my PVR 150, mythtv works, sound is ok, it's just video. otherwise I'm thinking, if the cable is bad shouldn't the sound be bad too?

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mchou:

afaik that's the only one that works with xvmc in myth.

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mchou:

mrWeemen: no

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mchou:

sound is much more tolerant than picture

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mrWeemen:

ok

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mchou:

you can have pure static picture and still get ok sound

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mchou:

happens all the time

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defi_:

OK when I watch live tv it will always freeze up and give me NVP prebuffer errors, I can change the channel and it will keep going, any reasons for this?

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mchou:

defi_: yeah, dont watch livetv

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mchou:

at least not with myth

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defi_:

mchou I guess you havent been too lucky

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defi_:

Maybe I should get rid of some of the smaller errors before I tackle this

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defi_:

Any ideas why when I bring up the EPG I have all my channels listed twice?

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mchou:

defi_: any you call me the one w/ bad luck? :)

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defi_:

lol

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defi_:

I just split up a FE/BE system

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mchou:

defi_: cause you proabably have multiple sources with the same channels

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defi_:

your right

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defi_:

I have two tuner cards using the same listings

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mchou:

defi_: no, that's not what I mean

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defi_:

?

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mchou:

two sources as defined by mythtv

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defi_:

in mythtv-setup

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defi_:

?

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mchou:

like what we yanks call channel lineups

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defi_:

ok so where are the settings for this?

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mchou:

sigh... in the DB via mythtv-setup, where else

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defi_:

under video sources?

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cato:

hi

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laga:

hi cato

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defi_:

Maybe im setting it up wrong, but I think you need a video source for each card

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defi_:

So I have wo identical video sources labeled channel channel1

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defi_:

*two

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** eidolon awakes. **

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cato:

I just need some hints on how to put mythtv on tv-out. I have a matrox g450 and "mplayer -vo dfbmga" works, but i couldn't get X working on tv-out

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eidolon:

cato: did you modify the X server config file to support tv-out?

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eidolon:

my knoppmyth has /etc/X11/XF86Config-nvidia-out

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hashbang:

cato: seeing as you're in .de, build a VGA to RGB Scart adaptor, is my tip. :-)

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eidolon:

ew. :)

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hashbang:

best quality you're gonna get.

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cato:

hashbang: i could watch movies with mplayer on tvout vi dfbmga

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cato:

so all cables are present

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hashbang:

well, unless you've got one of those new-fangled TVs that takes DVI or VGA or HDMI...

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eidolon:

is this a tvout port? or s-video out?

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cato:

i use composite

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eidolon:

yuck.

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eidolon:

composite is about he -worst-0 quality video you can generate.

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eidolon:

spend the $30 and get an nvidia card with s-video out and be happy.

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cato:

that would not improve quality much. my tv: http://images.xenim.de/getimage/schreibtisch/600/fernseher.jpg

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mchou:

eiggirC: forget about it. as far as nvidia is concerned, there is no difference betw. composite and svid. they are both awful

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cato:

the matrox does also have s-video

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mchou:

in fact any vga card

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cato:

but my question is, how to get mythtv running on dfbmga

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laga:

cato: umm, dfbmga, that's directfb stuff, right?

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cato:

yes

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laga:

cato: there's a directfb output driver in mythtv. you'd better search the mailing lists on it. btw, there is also a german channel: #mythtv-de

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cato:

laga: is there no wiki-page or anything like that with a short tut?

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mchou:

cato: you need to compile the dfb into myth

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mchou:

short tut is ./configure --help

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mchou:

laga: that's a nasty looky tv set :)

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mchou:

looking*

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laga:

cato: muhaha. no :) it's a PITA. you'd better use regular TV-out via X

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cato:

its almost 20 years old and still works

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mchou:

cato: is that a firewire port on the lower right hand corner? :)

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cato:

no, its some kind of logo

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mchou:

cato: is this an east german design? :)

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cato:

exaktly

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mchou:

lol

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laga:

don't let them know you're watching our TV!

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cato:

them = MIFI?

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laga:

wtf is that? ;)

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mchou:

cato, laga: you ever watch this? http://start.mandriva.com/default.html

[16:03:42]

mchou:

oops, sorry. http://imdb.com/title/tt0301357/

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cato:

yes

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** hashbang was in Prenzlauer Berg between Xmas and NY for 22C3... **

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mchou:

cato: I found it extremely funny

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laga:

mchou: sure.

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mchou:

I liked the helicopter with Lenin

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hashbang:

mchou: "Goodbye Lenin" perchance?

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hashbang:

great film.

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laga:

mchou: i liked the coca cola ad. that rocked

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mchou:

hashbang: exactly

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mchou:

laga: yeah, that too :)

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cato:

mchou: you maybe should have a look at http://imdb.com/title/tt0177242/

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mchou:

cato: hmm, that looks intersting too. thx for recommendation

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hashbang:

$ sensors | grep 'CPU Temp'

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hashbang:

CPU Temp: +66°C (low = +127°C, high = +80°C) sensor = diode

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hashbang:

eep!

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mchou:

Danger! Danger!

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hashbang:

heh

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hashbang:

This is my P4 Northwood, rather than the Celeron.

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Deathwish`:

66 at load?

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hashbang:

I've been experimenting with blocking vents to try and force more air over the HDDs.

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Deathwish`:

or idle :D

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hashbang:

sadly, the case doesn't have any room for an intake fan. :-(

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hashbang:

$ w

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hashbang:

17:11:55 up 9:44, 13 users, load average: 3.54, 3.53, 3.16

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hashbang:

it's /quite/ busy. :-)

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mchou:

damn

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Deathwish`:

ah

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** hashbang tries removing some tape. **

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Deathwish`:

66 at load would be fine for a Northwood

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mchou:

almost 4 process waiting in queue

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hashbang:

cdparanoi + lame + xmms

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hashbang:

still totally responsive, but I'm beginning to see the light re. multi-core. :-)

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JeffH:

anyone here run Debian? Which version? stable, unstable or testing?

[16:52:49]

Deathwish`:

does KnoppMyth count?

[16:53:17]

JeffH:

haha

[16:53:27]

Deathwish`:

;(

[16:53:35]

JeffH:

not really. trying to decide which version stable, testing or unstable to use for my setup.

[16:53:57]

Deathwish`:

fair enough :D

[16:54:20]

hashbang:

JeffH: Myth kinda needs some newish components to work well, I reckon

[16:54:40]

hashbang:

JeffH: so you'll probably end up building lots of stuff yourself, unless you use unstable, I'd have thought.

[16:54:42]

Zider:

I can't seem to get alsa's bt87x driver to work.. is anyone else here using it?

[16:54:56]

hashbang:

JeffH: I use FC4 with 0.19-fixes, if that helps.

[16:55:16]

hashbang:

JeffH: use a distro you're comfortable with, though, as you'll need to do some fairly hairy things at times. :-)

[16:55:48]

JeffH:

I'm very comfortable with debian

[16:56:21]

hashbang:

JeffH: cool. Go with that then. Comfort/experience is probably more important that the specific flavour of distro.

[16:56:25]

** laga runs mythtv on sarge **

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hashbang:

JeffH: also, once you've got it working, it's probably unwise to chase updates regularly. Treat it like an appliance (but keep it firewalled etc.)

[17:00:04]

JeffH:

gotcha.

[17:00:33]

JeffH:

is it better to have a dedicated HD for the recordings? Or is it okay to have the linux files on that drive as well.

[17:03:49]

kormoc:

doesn't matter

[17:03:58]

kormoc:

depends on your future plans

[17:04:24]

kormoc:

you can partition off the chunk dedicated to videos and set it up as a LVM so you can extend it in the future

[17:04:41]

kormoc:

you can just put in a second drive, lvm the entire thing so you can extend it in the future

[17:05:10]

kormoc:

you can just not use LVM at all and don't have a good way to extend the drive size

[17:05:42]

JeffH:

I think I'm gonna bite the bullet and build a machine.

[17:06:07]

Glasswalkr:

Does anyone know where the config for ivtv is that runs every time you press the "Watch TV" Button? Because I had horrible color quality, but noticed that the default saturation,brightness,contrast was very low, I reset it with commandline ivtv, and it worked great, but as soon as I went back to menu and hit watch tv again, it reset...

[17:06:58]

Glasswalkr:

(I don't mean the brightness/contrast/saturation on Xv, that is just the output settings, I am talking the actual input settings)

[17:08:19]

kormoc:

Glasswalkr, those settings are stored in the database per channel

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JeffH:

Can I use MythTV with just my tv speakers?

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kormoc:

well, you do tend to need a computer and all that...

[17:13:11]

JeffH:

huh?

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Deathwish`:

heh

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kormoc:

You said with just your tv speakers. I didn't know speakers had processors, nor that they had capute cards, nor hard drives

[17:14:40]

dtm:

they will once absolute DRM is federally mandated.

[17:14:45]

JeffH:

as opposed to stereo speakers.

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[17:15:10]

dtm:

kormoc: you're talkin about the wide open free range of the analog hole, son. what you're talkin about is complete anarchy.

[17:15:10]

kormoc:

JeffH, certainly, you can output the sound to the tv

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Zider:

so you have mono speakers in the tv?

[17:15:18]

kormoc:

dtm, hehe

[17:15:25]

dtm:

kormoc: free software should be illegal

[17:15:38]

dtm:

etc

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** kormoc laughs **

[17:15:53]

dtm:

cats and dogs living together, etc

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[17:16:26]

Zider:

"freedom" is just a fashion thing.. it'll pass.. :P

[17:16:36]

JeffH:

just trying to decide what to do first..put together my myth machine or get a 7.1 home theater setup.

[17:17:00]

Zider:

JeffH: myth first imo

[17:17:30]

JeffH:

what makes you say that?

[17:17:53]

Zider:

myth can be used with just the tv, but a stereo can't very well play sound from thin air. ;)

[17:17:55]

kormoc:

you'll get more entertainment with myth?

[17:18:02]

Glasswalkr:

kormoc: I am confused... the settings in the channel database look to be totally different numbers... for example if I use ivtvctl -y brightness=100 it sets it to 100 (Globally I think) it uses a range from 0 to 127 for each setting...

[17:18:04]

kormoc:

Zider, lies! Radio!!!

[17:18:14]

dtm:

Zider: w h a t

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Zider:

kormoc: if you have a receiver yes

[17:18:28]

Zider:

I haven't had a radio in years

[17:18:41]

kormoc:

Glasswalkr, yeah, but myth resets it to that value on each channel change, so you'll need to play with it and then set them all to it

[17:18:46]

Glasswalkr:

so where do the numbers from the channel database come from? they are all in the 32000 level

[17:18:58]

Glasswalkr:

ok

[17:19:08]

Glasswalkr:

so what is the MAX setting in the channel list?

[17:19:08]

kormoc:

Zider, all full setups come with a receiver, that I've seen at least

[17:19:19]

Zider:

kormoc: define "full setups"?

[17:19:24]

dtm:

being able to convert the air itself, or even perhaps invisible carrier waves therein, into sound?!?!

[17:19:46]

dtm:

gentlemen, i think i've already illustrated my point regarding anarchy and the domestic pet population

[17:19:56]

Glasswalkr:

they are all set to 32768 right now... I want to crank up color and contrast, and crank down brightness... (because the default it keeps resetting to is 127 brightness, 50 contrast and 50 color)

[17:20:08]

dtm:

now surely we can change the subject before Eschelon arrives

[17:20:14]

dtm:

AT A VERDICT

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Zider:

kormoc: a stereo to me is just an amplifier and a speaker setup, nothing else

[17:20:28]

kormoc:

Zider, A/V receiver (built in radio) and speakers

[17:20:57]

kormoc:

Zider, show me a stereo without a builtin radio

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Glasswalkr:

kormoc: I have 1 or 3 stereos without builtin radio

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Glasswalkr:

err 1 or 2 :)

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Zider:

kormoc: I could show you several if you come over here. ;)

[17:21:39]

kormoc:

Glasswalkr, ooh? what's it do?

[17:21:46]

Glasswalkr:

they are quite common in higher end hifi or audiophile stuff...

[17:21:48]

kormoc:

given a stereo is a stand alone unit to play sound...

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Glasswalkr:

correct... it plays sound

[17:22:01]

Glasswalkr:

provided to it on it's inputs

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kormoc:

stereo systems tend to be stand alone

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Glasswalkr:

not in the higher end stuff... they come modular... the "Reciever" as it was commonly called, rarely had a radio tuner, that was the "Radio" or "Tuner"

[17:23:03]

Zider:

audio/video-in, speaker out, volume/bass/treble controls, that's what a "stereo" is to me..

[17:23:13]

JeffH:

well, this afternoon I'll spec out my hardware.

[17:23:19]

kormoc:

Glasswalkr, yeah, a receiver is different then a stereo is...

[17:23:35]

JeffH:

is wireless G networking still a PITA in Linux?

[17:23:46]

kormoc:

Zider, yeah, that's a receiver to me, quite different from a stereo

[17:23:47]

Zider:

the things with radio in them are those tiny kitchen radios with casette, cd and no line-ins..

[17:23:51]

mishehu:

JeffH: depends on the chipset.

[17:23:57]

Glasswalkr:

kormoc: not neccisarily, a stereo simply refers to a box capable of outputting stereo sound to 2 speakers... normally containing an amp, and that's about it :)

[17:24:25]

kormoc:

Glasswalkr, every stereo system sold here includes a radio, in common stores at least

[17:24:36]

JeffH:

mishehu: what's a chipset that is well supported? The last thing I want to do is get non-supported hardware.

[17:24:38]

Zider:

interesting that it's still called "stereo" when they can squeeze out 8 channel audio :D

[17:24:44]

Glasswalkr:

but I do agree that 90% of the *average* "stereos" you buy at like future shop, or bestbuy, or radioshack, are all like Sony, Panasonic and such, which all have tuners in them, and cdplayers, and tape decks, and the whole shebang

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Zider:

Glasswalkr: ..and no lineins.. ;)

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kormoc:

JeffH, just get one of the wireless network devices that you plug into the eathernet port, but you won't like the speeds if you're gonna send video over the link

[17:25:09]

Glasswalkr:

Zider: correct :)

[17:25:34]

kormoc:

that's not true, every cheap stereo system I've seen includes a line in and has for a long time

[17:25:49]

mishehu:

JeffH: I personally have a centrino notebook with the intel 4220 chipset, and it's supported by the ipw2200.sf.net project (and is a part of the 2.6.x kernel tree since 2.6.13 or 2.6.14)

[17:26:10]

mishehu:

JeffH: and with wpa_supplicant you can use WPA/WPA2

[17:26:12]

Zider:

maybe I'm used to high-end stuff then.. haven't seen any decent stereos with radios in them..

[17:26:15]

JeffH:

well, I had figured my PC in my office would be a front end as well so I would need to send video over the network.

[17:26:39]

Glasswalkr:

Anywhoo, but anyway :) I just want to know, what is the range for the settings in the channel database? it is set to 32768 for all of them right now, how high or low can I crank that setting? (as I said on the commandline I can over double saturation and contrast, while I want to turn down brightness to almost half what it is set to by default)

[17:26:39]

hashbang_:

Zider: some AV amps have FM receivers.

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Zider:

hashbang_: none that I have seen

[17:27:23]

hashbang_:

Zider: e.g. Yamaha

[17:27:28]

kormoc:

Zider, Glasswalkr, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Receiver_(radio)

[17:27:35]

kormoc:

"As an appliance, "receiver" refers to a tuner, a preamplifier, and a power amplifier in chassis."

[17:27:36]

AngryElf:

hey all, i'd like to transcode some recordings to lower bitrate....does anyone know a good how to?

[17:27:37]

Glasswalkr:

lmao

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JeffH:

wish I could just wire my house for network.. that would rock!

[17:28:01]

kormoc:

so that would tend to indicate others feel receivers includes radios by def

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Glasswalkr:

JeffH: why not? go buy a couple KM of cat5 and go to er ;)

[17:28:32]

Glasswalkr:

kormoc: ok :) I just smoke alot of crack... I will bow out on this one :)

[17:28:38]

JeffH:

Glass: this house would be a PITA to wire.

[17:29:03]

Glasswalkr:

But does anyone know the range of values for the brightness, contrast and color settings in the channel database? :) lol

[17:30:15]

JeffH:

Is here any reason to not have other services running n a myth box? I was contemplating putting my e-mail server on there.

[17:30:47]

mishehu:

JeffH: working with media files can be very io and/or cpu intensive.

[17:31:09]

mishehu:

JeffH: depending on how utilized this mail server will be.

[17:31:17]

hashbang_:

JeffH: security, make sure non-realtime processes are niced accordingly.

[17:31:18]

kormoc:

and how utilized the myth will be

[17:31:34]

hashbang_:

JeffH: that said, my Myth box is my firewall, DNS, privoxy proxy and DHCP server also.

[17:31:35]

JeffH:

mishehu: not much.. it's just my personal e-mail server.. I get maybe 20 e-mails a day.

[17:31:43]

mishehu:

plus with big media files, you can use XFS and it will work quite well, but for email using Maildirs, you'd want to use reiser or reiser4

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hashbang_:

I'd be cautious about putting email on there, though.

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mishehu:

though media files will work with reiser and reiser4.

[17:32:07]

hashbang:

especially as I'm using mbox, still.

[17:32:24]

mishehu:

hashbang: my condolences ;-)

[17:32:32]

JeffH:

the other thing I was considering was setting up the box so my main computer could network boot Linux/X86..

[17:32:51]

mishehu:

JeffH: network booting is not intensive.

[17:32:54]

hashbang:

mishehu: I keep meaning to convert to maildir, but...

[17:33:11]

mishehu:

hashbang: why do today what you can put off forever, right? ;-)

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** hashbang nods, enthusiastically. **

[17:33:53]

hashbang:

the thing really is converting my existing mboxes to maildir, and making sure nothing got lost in the conversion.

[17:33:55]

mishehu:

hashbang: I've converted to maildir a few years ago. I even have a maildir folder with over 80k emails in it, on reiser4, and it is still quite responsive...

[17:33:59]

hashbang:

and the longer I leave it, the worse it gets.

[17:34:24]

mishehu:

hashbang: there are scripts that will do it for you, and I've not lost any email as a result. I think I used a perl one.

[17:35:06]

hashbang:

mishehu: also, of course, I'd need to shift some space from /var to /home

[17:35:12]

mishehu:

JeffH: for ~20 emails a day, you should have no problem running myth and email and network booting.

[17:35:14]

hashbang:

excuses, excuses.

[17:35:33]

mishehu:

hashbang: what mta do you use?

[17:35:38]

hashbang:

mishehu: postfix.

[17:36:21]

mishehu:

hashbang: don't know much about postfix other than it's good. I use qmail, and using vpopmail with qmail I could specify the vpopmail homedir to under the /var mount...

[17:36:41]

mishehu:

I'd imagine that postfix has support for something similar to vpopmail

[17:36:46]

hashbang:

postfix probably can do the same.

[17:36:49]

JeffH:

I used to use qmail. then I switched to postfix

[17:37:16]

mishehu:

anyway, I need to go out and grab some lunch and return some movies.

[17:37:29]

hashbang:

return... movies... ?!?

[17:37:40]

hashbang:

I think I remember what that is.

[17:38:22]

mishehu:

hashbang: after ripping one because I didn't get to watch it in the 2 day limit.

[17:38:24]

JeffH:

I'll probably end up keeping my e-mail and webserver on the machine it's one.. and use m myth box as a file server.. that way I can keep outside traffic off my myth box.

[17:38:35]

hashbang:

2... day... limit...

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hashbang:

easycinema++

[17:38:51]

mishehu:

hashbang: we rent like once a year...

[17:39:02]

hashbang:

heh

[17:39:17]

hashbang:

yeah, I can see my rental rate declining now I have a Myth box.

[17:39:39]

JeffH:

can you rip dvd's and still watch the ripped image?

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mishehu:

anyway, I'll be back later when I have taken care of that stuff and am ready to work on getting that firewire working to the cablebox

[17:40:31]

mishehu:

JeffH: it doesn't make an iso, but it does pull out everything without altering the vob files.

[17:41:01]

mishehu:

which is quite useful if you're making backups.

[17:41:17]

JeffH:

mishehu: I'm just wondering if I had a myth box if I could just rip all my dvd's and then be able to watch them on demand.

[17:41:24]

JeffH:

'backups'? :)

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JeffH:

is 512M memory enough for a typical myth box? or would I be better with 1G?

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kormoc:

512 is fine

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kormoc:

more is always better tho

[17:43:25]

JeffH:

yeah

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JeffH:

geez.. I haven't looked at memory prices in a while.. talk about cheap.

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hashbang:

kormoc: depends; there comes a point when you can't really make use of extra buffers/cache

[17:48:28]

hashbang:

JeffH: 512M is enough for me, my Myth box doesn't swap and has plenty of buffer/cache

[17:48:45]

kormoc:

hashbang, ooh? I have 2 gb in my main box, and while 1.5 gb of it is usually cached files, it makes apps starting nice and speedy, which I like

[17:48:56]

JeffH:

that's cool. I'll probably buy one stick of 512M.

[17:49:04]

kormoc:

hashbang, I wouldn't mind having the entire 320 gb drive cached to ram to be honest :)

[17:49:20]

JeffH:

then if at a later point I need/want to add more I'll have the ability.

[17:49:41]

JeffH:

that's the next thing I gotta look at is drive size.

[17:49:53]

kormoc:

JeffH, my mythbox has 256 megs and is fine with KDE even.

[17:50:03]

hashbang:

JeffH: 300G drives are probably the sweet spot for value right now.

[17:50:11]

JeffH:

guess I should decide on a motherboard first though since it will dictate the interface.

[17:50:32]

kormoc:

JeffH, hashbang, I found the 320 gb Western Digital Sata drive was the sweet spot

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AngryElf:

does anyone know of any frontends for transcode?

[17:50:46]

kormoc:

AngryElf, nuvexport

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JeffH:

hash: all my hardware is going to be in the sweet spot. I just dont' see the point of paying a premium for hardware that is obsolete/outdated in a few months.

[17:51:10]

hashbang:

JeffH: SATA seems to work OK these days.

[17:51:12]

psofa:

im still getting audio buffer underruns

[17:51:16]

psofa:

what can i do

[17:51:23]

hashbang:

JeffH: though you can't get S.M.A.R.T. info out of 'em, yet.

[17:51:26]

psofa:

i enabled the extra sound buffers

[17:51:31]

psofa:

and still nothing

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hashbang:

JeffH: too right.

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kormoc:

JeffH, sata is no longer a premium, prefectly stable and pata is going to be stoped being made

[17:51:58]

JeffH:

do most of the mini mobos support SATA?

[17:52:00]

hashbang:

JeffH: and even bottom-end stuff is pretty good, these days.

[17:52:11]

kormoc:

JeffH, it's nice getting an extra 50% performance out of a drive at a cheaper price :)

[17:52:19]

kormoc:

JeffH, a lot of them do, aye

[17:52:29]

JeffH:

good

[17:53:13]

JeffH:

is it good/bad to get built-in video?

[17:53:34]

kormoc:

you should try to get a nvidia card of some sort and just ignore the bulit-in video

[17:53:48]

kormoc:

6200 is what I'd recommend to get

[17:53:51]

JeffH:

good to know.

[17:54:14]

JeffH:

I'll probably be back here later this afternoon when I'm actually specing out hardware.

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JeffH:

where's the sweet spot on AMD cpus?

[17:56:25]

kormoc:

JeffH, Semptron 2500+ tends to be a good one

[17:56:44]

JeffH:

is Semptron 64bit?

[17:56:56]

laga:

sempron*

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kormoc:

don't think so

[17:56:58]

mchou:

dont get sempron

[17:57:17]

kormoc:

least, the 2500+ isn't 64 bit

[17:57:30]

JeffH:

why do you say that mchou?

[17:57:36]

mchou:

it's not 64bit and most importantly it doent have CoolnQuiet

[17:57:49]

kormoc:

JeffH, the sweet spot for 64 bit amds tend to be the a64 3000+

[17:57:58]

mchou:

the 64bit part is not a big deal imho

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mchou:

but CnQ is

[17:58:13]

JeffH:

I guess the question becomes whether 64bit is needed for a myth box.

[17:58:29]

kormoc:

JeffH, if you're gonna transcode a lot, then it's nice, but not needed at all

[17:58:30]

hashbang:

JeffH: don't worry about the CPU; I'm using a Celeron 1.7

[17:58:36]

mchou:

JeffH: not really, but it doesnt hurt

[17:58:55]

hashbang:

JeffH: if you're doing DVB or have a TV card with on-board encoder, the CPU is almost irrelevant, IMHO.

[17:59:14]

JeffH:

komoc: what's transcoding? I don't know anything about video right now.. all I'd do to start is watch.

[17:59:16]

mchou:

JeffH: what is this box destined to be? a front/back end?

[17:59:43]

mchou:

hashbang: bullshit

[18:00:00]

JeffH:

mchou: both. backend and frontend for my living room TV

[18:00:12]

mchou:

hashbang: if you want commercials cut (especial HD) it becomes important

[18:00:16]

kormoc:

JeffH, it's converting it from myth's format to a format that's you can backup or put onto your video ipod or what not

[18:00:31]

hashbang:

mchou: works fine here, though I've only got SD

[18:00:47]

hashbang:

mchou: the commercial cutting process here isn't CPU bound, but IO bound.

[18:00:53]

AngryElf:

kormoc is it possible to use nuvexport with vids that are not in mythconverg?

[18:01:01]

kormoc:

AngryElf, nope

[18:01:10]

AngryElf:

can I add shows into the database

[18:01:12]

JeffH:

ooh.. that brings up a good point.. the only inputs my TV has is the coax cable input and the three (or is it 4, can't remember) inputs that the DVD player uses.. will Myth be able to use one of those?

[18:01:18]

AngryElf:

they were originally recorded by myth

[18:01:21]

kormoc:

AngryElf, if you're looking for help with things outside of myth, you might want to try #transcode or similar

[18:01:25]

hashbang:

mchou: takes about an hour to prepare a DVD full of shows with commercials edited out.

[18:01:33]

mchou:

hashbang: it is CPU bound if you intend to watch 15 minutes into the show :)

[18:01:52]

mchou:

hashbang: w/o commercials that is :)

[18:02:04]

JeffH:

is it easy to edit out commercials?

[18:02:15]

AngryElf:

i remember there was a tool that allowed you to add shows back into the database, i forgot what it's called though

[18:02:20]

mchou:

JeffH: it gets done automagically :)

[18:02:22]

hashbang:

mchou: hmm... I have automagic commercial detection disabled as it doesn't work reliably with UK TV.

[18:02:32]

JeffH:

SWEET!

[18:02:37]

hashbang:

mchou: so I edit them out afterwards.

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JeffH:

so what type of TV out signal does Myth provide?

[18:03:05]

mchou:

hashbang: if comm detect doesnt work why bother using myth at all? :)

[18:03:11]

kormoc:

JeffH, none, that's all done by the video card

[18:03:21]

hashbang:

mchou: PVR functionality, jukebox, emulators...

[18:03:24]

mchou:

hashbang: I guess you brits dont have tivo :)

[18:03:32]

kormoc:

mythweb...

[18:03:48]

hashbang:

mchou: we do, but I want to be able to have control over what I do with my media, rather than TiVo Inc.

[18:03:55]

mrWeemen:

I'm back again

[18:03:56]

JeffH:

komoc: okay..so I guess I gotta watch that when I buy the video card.

[18:04:08]

mchou:

JeffH: you get cable?

[18:04:17]

JeffH:

yeah

[18:04:25]

mchou:

JeffH: what cableco?

[18:04:28]

kormoc:

JeffH, if you get the 6200, it will be able to do svideo or composite and there's a chance it can do component

[18:04:33]

JeffH:

comcast

[18:04:38]

hashbang:

JeffH: presumably the 3/4 inputs that your DVD player uses are component (are they labelled YUV or something?)

[18:04:41]

kormoc:

JeffH, in ntsc format for north america

[18:04:50]

mrWeemen:

I replaced my cable and it is much better now

[18:05:01]

mchou:

JeffH: then seriously go get a HDTV STB from comcast for $5/mo

[18:05:17]

JeffH:

komoc: is composite the one that come as 3 separate RGA connectors?

[18:05:26]

kormoc:

JeffH, no, that's component

[18:05:28]

mchou:

way better than any analog capture card you can get

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hashbang:

http://www.smarthome.com/777060.html

[18:05:56]

JeffH:

mchou: I don't have an HD compatible TV

[18:06:17]

mchou:

JeffH: you dont need one. It has excellent svid out

[18:06:36]

mchou:

as well as composite

[18:06:41]

hashbang:

JeffH: composite is usually a yellow RCA, with Red (Right) and White (Left) audio connectors

[18:07:04]

JeffH:

mchou: is composite the regular cable style?

[18:07:09]

hashbang:

I don't know what YUV component connectors look like. Bayonet BNC, maybe?

[18:07:20]

kormoc:

JeffH, composite and svideo are the standard ones, aye

[18:07:24]

mchou:

JeffH: there is Coax, Composite, Svid

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JeffH:

well, my TV only supports coax and component

[18:07:55]

mchou:

Coax is the one that is thick and stiff (TM)

[18:08:07]

kormoc:

JeffH, so just get a 6200 with component out

[18:08:28]

kormoc:

JeffH, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Composite.jpg <-- Composite

[18:08:30]

mchou:

JeffH: yeah, the comcast STB has component out

[18:08:33]

JeffH:

cool komoc.. thanks for clarifying the various types.

[18:08:35]

mchou:

too

[18:08:54]

JeffH:

mchou: is the comcast STB a video card, or what?

[18:08:56]

kormoc:

JeffH, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Component_video_RCA.jpg <-- Component

[18:09:03]

mchou:

as well as composite, svid, dvi, firewire... and a few others I forget

[18:09:17]

mchou:

JeffH: google STB

[18:09:21]

kormoc:

JeffH, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:SVideoConnector.jpg <-- Svideo

[18:09:31]

mchou:

better yet google DCT6200

[18:09:41]

kormoc:

JeffH, STB is a Set Top Box, it's the tuner you get from comcast for their digital tv and similar

[18:09:49]

mchou:

cause that's the one you gonna get :)

[18:10:01]

hashbang:

ah, so 'component' is american for RGB over 3 phonos, these days.

[18:10:30]

mchou:

component=HD, composite=SD

[18:11:21]

JeffH:

what's the point of a myth box if I'm just gonna have a STB? Might as well get an STB with DVR

[18:11:37]

hashbang:

JeffH: Freedom!

[18:11:43]

mchou:

JeffH: you can do that too but to notomagic commercial cutting

[18:11:56]

mchou:

automagic*

[18:12:05]

kormoc:

JeffH, more space for recordings, mythweb, comm cutting

[18:12:35]

mchou:

in fact if there is an STB that does comm cutting I'd ditch myth

[18:12:36]

JeffH:

I'm gonna go without a STB

[18:12:48]

mchou:

JeffH: you gonna regret it

[18:12:49]

JeffH:

mchou: never gonna happen though.

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mchou:

JeffH: trust me on this one

[18:13:07]

kormoc:

JeffH, the good thing about a STB is if you get HDTV, you can capture direct from firewire on the box and don't even need a tuner in the mythbox

[18:13:11]

mchou:

computers and RF dont mix

[18:13:53]

JeffH:

mchou: I don't currently have digital cable. Not really interested in paying the extra to get it either.

[18:14:08]

mchou:

you dont even need firewire (because that requires a good cpu to decode)

[18:14:23]

mchou:

JeffH: you dont need digital cable

[18:14:37]

JeffH:

alright, I gotta get ready for a date. Catch ya later.

[18:14:40]

mchou:

you get all local stations digitally

[18:15:53]

mchou:

analog pc tuners are for the birds

[18:16:04]

mchou:

completely useless

[18:16:51]

hashbang:

mchou: I need to configure mine up – I'd like to use it to convert a few important VHS tapes to DVD.

[18:17:24]

mchou:

hashbang: I was just referring to the tuner stage. svid in is fine

[18:17:28]

Zider:

I would be recording shows right now if I could get the sound capture working :/

[18:17:52]

mchou:

Zider: that's well covered in myth docs

[18:18:08]

Zider:

mchou: not about the driver outside myth..

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Zider:

well, not that solves this at least'

[18:18:31]

mchou:

Zider: what driver outside myth?

[18:18:39]

Zider:

mchou: alsa bt87x

[18:18:47]

mchou:

huh???

[18:18:58]

Zider:

bttv audio capture driver

[18:19:03]

mchou:

Zider: you mean btaudio?

[18:19:06]

kormoc:

Zider, that's a very bad driver, and highly depends on your card if it will work or not, and most often, it doesn't work

[18:19:18]

kormoc:

mchou, thats the oss version, there's a alsa version as well

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mchou:

kormoc: bullshit. the driver is fine.

[18:19:34]

kormoc:

mchou, sure, if the card supports it

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Zider:

mchou: there is no info on btaudio anywhere I have looked except for the mythtv docs.. nothing in kernel and nothing in alsa, only that bt87x driver

[18:19:45]

mchou:

it's lame cards that dont have the sound decoder

[18:19:47]

kormoc:

it's bad in that it can't autodetect if it will work or not

[18:20:16]

kormoc:

cause of all those cards that have the chip, have it wired up, with just the actual input leads not wired up

[18:20:30]

mchou:

kormoc: it's pretty good considering everyone wires gpio differently

[18:20:48]

hashbang:

Zider: does your Bt878 card have a CD-style audio out header?

[18:21:26]

JeffH:

ooh.. I see.. if I get a STB then instead of an analog receiver I get a digital receiver?

[18:21:32]

Zider:

hashbang: 3,5mm plug yes'

[18:21:39]

mchou:

JeffH: bingo!!

[18:22:06]

mchou:

and the STB converts it to ananlog (if you wish)

[18:22:26]

mchou:

way better quality than any crap pc analog capture device

[18:22:29]

hashbang:

Zider: weird. Ah well, pipe that into your sound card's line in.

[18:22:46]

Zider:

hashbang: so where do I plug the audio cord from my vcr?

[18:22:57]

Zider:

hashbang: I'm recording via composite-in

[18:23:15]

JeffH:

then if/when analog tv goes away I'm not stuck with ancient hardware.

[18:23:15]

kormoc:

Zider, you can still tell myth to record the audio from the soundcard

[18:23:33]

hashbang:

Zider: you'll need to disconnect the TV card's audio output whilst you're doing that. You might want to get an audio switch.

[18:23:39]

mchou:

Zider: and that definitely is covered in myth docs

[18:23:59]

hashbang:

Zider: usually TV cards have a header on the internal part of the card that can connect to a CD/Aux In header on the sound card

[18:24:00]

mchou:

Zider: what brand of bt card is this? lspci

[18:24:06]

Zider:

kormoc: the linein on the soundcard is played in the output all the time, not only when recording

[18:24:25]

Zider:

02:0a.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture (rev 02)

[18:24:26]

kormoc:

Zider, sure, that's why you mute the caputure playback

[18:24:28]

Zider:

02:0a.1 Multimedia controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Audio Capture (rev 02)

[18:24:36]

kormoc:

Zider, as per the myth docs

[18:24:38]

Zider:

kormoc: doesn't that make it silent when recording?

[18:24:43]

kormoc:

Zider, nope

[18:24:51]

mchou:

Zider: congrats. btaudio will work for you :)

[18:25:05]

kormoc:

Zider, linux uses two different mixers for recording and playback, so you can mute the playback and still capture

[18:25:14]

Zider:

mchou: and where is btaudio? all the docs say is "modprobe btaudio", but I don't have that

[18:25:24]

Zider:

kormoc: ahh

[18:25:26]

kormoc:

Zider, it's the same as your alsa version, just for oss

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kormoc:

mchou, and that doesn't mean anything, I had a pixel view standard card that had that, but the actual leads from the plug to the chip were never placed on the board, the rest of the chip was hooked up tho.

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mchou:

Zider: modinfo snd-bt87x

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mchou:

or modprobe, if you like :)

[18:26:46]

kormoc:

mchou, so it would act like it was working, and would get static, and with two wires, I got the sound in working, but out of the box, it would never work

[18:27:17]

JeffH:

Is there a good front-end client for windows?

[18:27:21]

Zider:

mchou: the driver is loaded all right, but alsamixer can't find it..

[18:27:21]

mchou:

kormoc: shush. You dont definitively know it doesnt work for him

[18:27:29]

Zider:

mchou: and the modinfo doesn't tell me much

[18:27:37]

kormoc:

JeffH, there is no frontend for windows really

[18:27:55]

kormoc:

Zider, what's dmesg say?

[18:28:04]

Zider:

kormoc: nothing at all

[18:28:04]

mchou:

Zider: try alsmixer -c 1

[18:28:15]

Zider:

mchou: invalid -c number

[18:28:29]

Zider:

or; wrong -c argument '1'

[18:28:31]

Zider:

to be exact

[18:28:44]

mchou:

that's a one

[18:29:00]

mchou:

not an el

[18:29:06]

kormoc:

Zider, under modinfo on the module, there should be a debug param, try modprobe module debugparm and see if you get any more info?

[18:29:06]

Zider:

that's the number 1

[18:29:32]

mchou:

Zider: do ls -al /dev/dsp*

[18:30:07]

mchou:

and also /dev/mixer*

[18:30:15]

Zider:

mchou: ok to flood the output here?

[18:30:22]

kormoc:

Zider, pastebin.ca

[18:30:24]

mchou:

no. pastebin

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Zider:

http://pastebin.ca/49529

[18:30:59]

Zider:

:P

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mchou:

Zider: dump dmsg output there too while you are at it

[18:31:19]

Zider:

mchou: there has been nada dmesg output when loading the driver

[18:31:28]

mchou:

Zider: your sound is hooked up

[18:31:30]

Zider:

not a single line

[18:31:46]

Zider:

mchou: /dev/dsp is the onboard soundcard

[18:31:59]

mchou:

Zider: I asked for all your dmesg output, not a single line

[18:32:09]

Zider:

mchou: ah

[18:32:11]

kormoc:

Zider, you really want to give us ls /dev/snd/

[18:32:23]

mchou:

yeah, but there are also dsp2 and 3

[18:32:33]

Zider:

hmm.. hold on a sec..

[18:32:38]

mchou:

so unless you have 3 soundcards.....

[18:32:50]

kormoc:

mchou, they are not linked up, they're from the generic static /dev nodes

[18:33:07]

JeffH:

So if you have an STB do you need a remote for your myth box? Or will your STB remote suffice?

[18:33:20]

kormoc:

JeffH, you need a remote for the mythbox

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kormoc:

JeffH, with myth hooked up to the STB, you won't touch it, myth will

[18:33:35]

mchou:

JeffH: bet to use firewire to change channels

[18:33:42]

mchou:

best*

[18:33:56]

mchou:

or you can use irblaster.

[18:34:03]

mchou:

no serial port control

[18:34:51]

mchou:

Zider: also put output of lsmod in pastebin

[18:35:15]

Zider:

mchou: I think I might have got something here now..

[18:35:41]

mchou:

Zider: lol

[18:36:04]

mchou:

Zider: tell kormoc to stfu :)

[18:36:12]

Zider:

hm, ok?

[18:36:20]

mchou:

dude is annoying :)

[18:36:25]

Zider:

geg

[18:36:29]

Zider:

heh

[18:37:32]

Zider:

I got /dev/dsp and /dev/dsp1 now, symlinked to respective sound/dsp sound/dsp1

[18:37:37]

Zider:

and alsamixer finds the card

[18:37:47]

mchou:

well no shit

[18:37:54]

Zider:

I wonder what I did..

[18:38:01]

Zider:

it hasn't worked before.. :P

[18:38:19]

kormoc:

given alsamixer doesn't even check /dev/dsp*, it checks /dev/snd/*...

[18:38:21]

mchou:

now stop being a dumbass and enjoy

[18:38:34]

Zider:

mythtv don't get any sound still tho.. *starts digging docs*

[18:38:57]

Zider:

kormoc: well, at least I get some result.. :P

[18:39:26]

mchou:

kormoc: you're the king of negativity

[18:39:27]

kormoc:

Zider, heh, yeah, good to hear :)

[18:39:39]

mchou:

on Easter Sunday no less

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jegade:

Hi

[18:47:20]

port7:

anyone running mythphone behind a draytek router?

[18:47:21]

jegade:

could i control the network-bandwith-usage of the mythfrontend

[18:48:58]

GreyFoxx:

jegade: Well, you can set the bitrate of the record which will lower the bandwidth needed to send data to the frontend

[18:49:24]

jegade:

GreyFoxx: whats about the live-streams?

[18:50:05]

GreyFoxx:

You can set the bitrate used by all recordings, include livetv which arealso recordings

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jegade:

is 1Mbit usable for DVB-T?

[18:50:48]

kormoc:

jegade, doubtful

[18:51:14]

GreyFoxx:

Well, I should clarify, you set the bitrate of analog recordings, you have no control over the bitrate of digital recordings

[18:51:32]

GreyFoxx:

you could transcode the recording after it's finished to lower the bitrate

[18:51:44]

GreyFoxx:

but the stream off the card you have no bitrate control over

[18:52:08]

jegade:

ok – i understand DVB-T was send with the full bitrate over the network

[18:52:50]

kormoc:

jegade, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVB-T

[18:52:59]

GreyFoxx:

not really "full bitrate". IT's just already recorded. You are only reading and writing the mpeg to the drive

[18:53:07]

GreyFoxx:

the bitrate can vary from show to show

[18:53:14]

kormoc:

jegade, there's a chart with the bandwidth the streams use, the lowest is 4.976 mbit a second

[18:54:15]

jegade:

i yust wonder because my networktools shows only 384kbs for the stream to the client

[18:54:39]

GreyFoxx:

Is it reporting in kiloBITS or kiloBYTES ?

[18:54:53]

jegade:

bps

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kormoc:

jegade, that's very odd

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jegade:

GreyFoxx sorry that was bytes

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GreyFoxx:

So that's like 4 megabits

[18:56:45]

jegade:

yes

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kormoc:

ahh

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jegade:

:-)

[18:57:15]

GreyFoxx:

Unless you are running on some nasty old 10Meg nic's thatshouldn't be a problem :)

[18:57:15]

jegade:

but mythtv are very cool

[18:57:33]

jegade:

i try my wlan-connection

[18:57:38]

jegade:

this still works

[18:57:40]

kormoc:

GreyFoxx, well, he did ask about 1 mbit connections :)

[18:58:01]

jegade:

i ask 1Mbit because my dialup only 1MBit SDL

[18:58:08]

jegade:

SDQL

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GreyFoxx:

Wireless B tends to be a pain, wireless G is usually fine

[18:58:22]

kormoc:

jegade, might want to keep in mind wlan has more overhead, the wireless packets and then encryption.

[18:58:24]

GreyFoxx:

you are looking to stream it out to the net ?

[18:58:39]

jegade:

yes – a simple way

[18:58:52]

jegade:

i try vlc but it painless setup

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GreyFoxx:

Then you will likely want to look at mythstreamTV or vlc

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jegade:

ok – mythstreamTV looks nice

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jegade:

i try to install it

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GreyFoxx:

I just use VLC from the commandline when I Do that

[19:00:25]

jegade:

did you use DVB-T too?

[19:00:44]

GreyFoxx:

no

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Zider:

hum.. I still don't get any sound, even on the regular sound card..

[19:01:36]

AngryElf:

is it possible for myth to use more than one dvd drive?

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mchou:

Zider: cat /proc/asound/cards

[19:04:06]

Zider:

0 [ICH5 ]: ICH4 – Intel ICH5

[19:04:06]

Zider:

Intel ICH5 with AD1985 at 0xfebff400, irq 7

[19:04:19]

Zider:

(I disabled the bt87x)

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mchou:

Zider: wth for??

[19:04:42]

Zider:

mchou: to see if it helped?

[19:04:52]

mchou:

Zider: are you daft??

[19:04:57]

Zider:

mchou: no?

[19:05:29]

mchou:

you disbled bt to see if what helped?

[19:05:44]

Zider:

to see if I could capture audio on the normal sound card

[19:06:30]

mchou:

Zider: of course you should be able to capture on normal card, but wtf would you want to if you have btaudio??

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Zider:

mchou: I didn't get it to work, so I tried the soundacard instead, but none of them works

[19:07:19]

mchou:

Zider: that's cause you are a retard

[19:07:20]

Zider:

mchou: so I disabled bt to see if it disturbed the other card somehow

[19:07:27]

Zider:

mchou: how kind of you

[19:07:39]

mchou:

Zider: not put snd-bt87x back

[19:07:44]

mchou:

now*

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Deathwish`:

hmm

[19:12:07]

Deathwish`:

some of my recordings are at 50fps and get quiet blurry with fast moving images

[19:12:17]

Deathwish`:

yet some are fine

[19:12:18]

Deathwish`:

:/

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Zider:

mchou: it's loaded

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mchou:

Zider: cat /proc/asound/cards

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mishehu:

bah.

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mishehu:

I can't take down my myth box until I get the gf to stop watching dvds of 'friends'

[19:13:37]

Zider:

mchou: http://pastebin.ca/49533

[19:14:10]

mchou:

Zider: now do "alsamixer -c 1"

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Zider:

mchou: yes, I see it there, and I've unmuted it

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mchou:

Zider: now lsmod in pastebin, and also contents of /etc/modprone.conf

[19:15:17]

byco:

i'm having some problems getting mythfrontend menus to display on my intel macbookpro. the menu's dont show up unless i switch out/in (command-tab or dashboard). from the wiki/mailinglist it looked like i should have just needed to grab a snapshot of qt3.3.6 but this is having the same problems. any thoughts?

[19:15:44]

mchou:

/etc/modprobe.conf*

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AngryElf:

what are the prerequisites for enabling transcode with mythdvd? because when I ./configure --enable-transcode it doesn't give me any errors but it says that it will not be included with mythdvd

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laga:

AngryElf: you need to have transcode from www.transcoding.org installed, i believe.

[19:16:59]

AngryElf:

well yea i have that installed

[19:17:02]

defi_:

I keep getting an error saying that ivtv not responding any ideas?

[19:17:22]

defi_:

It causes my livetv to freeze all the time.

[19:17:28]

Zider:

mchou: http://pastebin.ca/49534

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mchou:

Zider: wtf is your modprobe.conf so big

[19:18:56]

Zider:

mchou: don't ask me.. it's created at boot from a set of config files in modules.d/

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mchou:

Zider: you have website to post screen shots?

[19:25:25]

Zider:

mchou: from the mythtv system? no..

[19:25:46]

mchou:

Zider: well, get one

[19:26:07]

Zider:

I can't take screen shots on the mythtv system, I can't even switch to console

[19:26:23]

mchou:

Zider: huh???

[19:26:43]

mchou:

wtf do you need to switch to console?

[19:27:00]

Zider:

to type in commands? like tell it to take a snapshot..?=

[19:27:08]

mchou:

Prt_scr does screen shot

[19:27:23]

mchou:

key right next to F12

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Zider:

in standard X?

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mchou:

yeah

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Zider:

I thought that had to be binded in the window manager to imagemagick or something

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mchou:

Zider: why do you insist on being a retard?

[19:28:14]

Zider:

mchou: why do you insist on calling names like some little kid?

[19:28:37]

mchou:

Zider: ok. go get help elsewhere

[19:29:16]

kormoc:

Zider, you can also use the import command to take screenshots, which is part of imagemagick

[19:29:18]

Zider:

mchou: well, at least I'd get some help and not being called names

[19:29:34]

kormoc:

Zider, /usr/bin/import -display :0.0 -window root ~/screenshot.jpg is the command I use

[19:29:45]

mchou:

Zider: wtf do you think I've been doing the last hr?

[19:30:04]

Zider:

mchou: mostly calling me names just because I don't get sound working

[19:30:20]

mchou:

Zider: ok, no good deed goes unpunished

[19:30:35]

mchou:

Zider: go get help for kormoc

[19:30:40]

mchou:

from*

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Zider:

kormoc: I don't have imagemagick or anything except what's needed to get mythtv running

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kormoc:

Zider, you'll need to install something, as prt-scr is a gnome thing, for kde there's ksnapshot, you can use gimp or imagemagik

[19:33:15]

mchou:

prt-scr is not a gnome thing

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kormoc:

Zider, there's xwd as well I beleive

[19:33:21]

Zider:

what is it I need screenshot of?

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mchou:

it's an X thing

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kormoc:

Zider, donno, whatever you want?

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Zider:

kormoc: I'm not the one who wants screen shots

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mchou:

lol

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kormoc:

mchou, other people seem to think it's gnome specific, see http://www.techwr-l.com/techwhirl/archives/05 . . . 6-00462.html

[19:34:00]

mchou:

kormoc: they are wrong

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Zider:

hrm, I pressed prt-scr on my laptop, and it starts printing on the printer..

[19:34:39]

kormoc:

mchou, and I'm in xfce, print-scr and paste into gimp and kolour and imagemagik, and they all claim there's nothing there, so what format does it store it as?

[19:34:44]

mchou:

that's one fancy printer

[19:35:33]

mchou:

png

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Zider:

I've pressed prt-scr on the mythtv box, and nothing happens.. oh, I forgot, it's because I'm a daft retard I suppose..

[19:37:15]

mchou:

you bet something happened, it saved the image to disk with tmpname or some such thing

[19:38:02]

Zider:

nothing with tmp or png in the name exists in mythtv home dir

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kormoc:

mchou, it is a gnome thing, gnone's keyboard shortcuts the printkey to gnome-panel-screenshot. It works perfectly fine in gnome, but not in kde or xfce unless I shortcut the key as well

[19:39:44]

Zider:

windows however has prt-scr as screenshot function

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mchou:

it's not a gnome only thing

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kormoc:

see http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Make_a_Screenshot_ . . . NOME_and_KDE and http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/Gnome_Screenshot.shtml

[19:40:33]

kormoc:

mchou, kde has it mapped to ksnapshot by default, xfce has it unmapped, by default

[19:40:39]

kormoc:

but it is not a X specific thing

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Zider:

fluxbox doesn't have it mapped at all afaik

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mchou:

Zider: aumix-text -q

[19:42:11]

mchou:

after this you are on your own

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Zider:

no such command

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mchou:

Zider: then install it

[19:43:23]

Zider:

another mixer? ooooki..

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kormoc:

Zider, just wondering, you did set the capture device to the line in, right?

[19:44:07]

Zider:

kormoc: how do you mean?

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kormoc:

Zider, in alsamixer, f2 is playback modes, f3 is capture modes. You need to tell the sound card you want to capture form line in, and not say, mic in

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Zider:

kormoc: hm, the f keys just quits alsamixer

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kormoc:

Zider, ooh?

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Zider:

kormoc: tab circulates between playback and capture tho

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kormoc:

Zider, http://kormoc.homelinux.org/gallery/ScreenShots/screenshot_001

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kormoc:

Zider, as you can see, F keys should do things, but cool that tab works

[19:50:30]

SMDBlink:

alsamixer

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Zider:

kormoc: I got to capture section, that's what counts ;)

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Zider:

kormoc: and it's set correctly

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Rsx024:

any one know where i would find info on making a channel changescript i need myth to tune to svideo input when i schedule recording but it just says channel not found

[19:53:49]

Rsx024:

in log

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kormoc:

Zider, yeah, donno

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Zider:

kormoc: the tv card doesn't seem to get any audio at all from the input, the sound card can pass it thru but not just activate when I select "watch tv".. weird..

[20:03:18]

Zider:

I think I'm gonna start going thru pci audio cards to use instead.. :P

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Juski:

evening

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laga:

hi Juski u

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laga:

s/u//

[20:13:54]

laga:

Juski: nice video, BTW :)

[20:14:15]

Juski:

er... I thought I was tired the other day, but no, I'm really tired today

[20:14:53]

Juski:

just finished tidying up after a 12 hour shift – doing pipework mostly

[20:15:12]

Juski:

how's you weekend been laga?

[20:15:49]

laga:

Juski: it's been weekend? uh. didn't realize that. parents are out of town, i'm in easter break *shrug* there's a lot of empty bottles in here, though

[20:16:18]

Juski:

I got smashed on 2 big glasses of wine last night – thats how knackered I was

[20:17:35]

laga:

hehe. it took me two small beer yesterday before my postings stopped making sense.. ;)

[20:18:08]

Juski:

so it's pretty safe to say you've been catatonic. I'm damned if I'm gonna do much besides fill 2 holes on the outside wall tomorrow

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Juski:

it's all worth it though – my bathroom is gonna be really nice

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laga:

heh. work is baaaaaad. ;) though i wrote a few emails to CD duplication enterprises and spent all day today fiddling with knoppmyth

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Juski:

heh

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** laga needs to clean up soon **

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Juski:

lol

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laga:

i got a new couch and it sits now in the middle of my room. it's full of cat hair.. ;)

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Zider:

kormoc: got sound :D

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Juski:

I'd like to have a cat, but all my couches are leather

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laga:

Juski: our *new* couch is leather and so far, they didn't do anything to it.

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Juski:

brave!

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Juski:

or !sensible – one or ther other ;-)

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laga:

Juski: well, what's better: scratch marks or dirt marks?

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laga:

hrhr

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sphing:

anyone done any level2 network programming?

[21:01:09]

defi_:

anyone using gentoo with vanilla sources and have trouble emerging ivtv

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psymin:

defi_: Yes .. I just unmasked the ~ one and it worked fine.

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psymin:

defi_: I assume you configured the proper stuff in the kernel though .. yes?

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rawdlite:

when i set a programm to record the change does not show up in the epg. It is set in the database though.

[21:41:12]

rawdlite:

after a restart of mythbackend its fine again

[21:41:36]

rawdlite:

after a day or so same story. any pointers ?

[21:41:59]

rawdlite:

did not find anything in the logs.

[21:42:02]

Anduin:

rawdlite: Sometimes it takes several seconds, what is the quickest you've seen?

[21:42:30]

JeffH:

hardware wise, is the only difference between a frontend machine and a frontend/backend machine that the frontend doesn't have a tuner?

[21:42:50]

Anduin:

JeffH: It can be.

[21:43:09]

rawdlite:

anduin: the quickest change in the epg is almost instant after a mythbackend restart.

[21:43:14]

jx:

Hi – just wondering if someone could help clear this up. The channel change lag (4 secs or so) is to buffer live tv so you can pause it. Is that right?

[21:43:51]

Anduin:

rawdlite: Even waiting a few seconds (maybe even existing the EPG and returning) doesn't work?

[21:44:11]

rawdlite:

anduin: yes, and i see the same behaviour in mythweb

[21:44:13]

Anduin:

jx: That is part of it.

[21:45:59]

Anduin:

rawdlite: In the bakend logs, how long does the scheduler take (Should see an entry like "Scheduled X items in Y")

[21:46:03]

jx:

Anduin: What is the rest of it? I am curious because on the same hardware, other PVR software has quick live tv channel changes, yet similar functionality. I'm still loving Myth, would just like to understand : )

[21:46:58]

Anduin:

jx: Timeouts and buffer sizes mostly it you use identical hardware.

[21:47:02]

Anduin:

er if

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jx:

Anduin: Are these config changes, or code changes?

[21:48:32]

Anduin:

jx: They would be code changes, or you could give up on live tv.

[21:48:59]

Anduin:

jx: There is currently someone complaining about exactly this on the -dev issue (and not even the first).

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rawdlite:

anduin: not sure what you mean by backend log.

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jx:

Anduin: Reading around, it seems a common complaint. Giving up on live tv doesn't seem feasible right now, but saying that, I'm a recent PVR convert.

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rawdlite:

there is nothing in the mythbackend.log

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Anduin:

rawdlite: If you are using a good init script to start mythbackend it should be writing a log somewhere.

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rawdlite:

anduin: okay that would be /var/log/myth/myhtbackend.log

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Anduin:

jx: In time you devolve into some create who cares not what is on right this second as you have hours of stuff you actually want to watch. (The sporting events argument though is ok, but why would you flip channel then?)

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Anduin:

rawdlite: Probably.

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AngryElf:

does anyone here use xine as their dvd player? do you know of a way to make xine jump to the main menu?

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jx:

Anduin: That's an interesting point – I'll bear it in mind.

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Anduin:

AngryElf: The menu key?

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kayelem:

Hmm... is there a #knopppmyth somewhere? Or anyone using it with an nvidia driver about who's been playing knoppmyth for more than about 2 days..?

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Anduin:

kayelem: They have their own channel yes.

[21:55:59]

kayelem:

I'm trying to get an older nvidia driver on as the one it came with doesn't want to interlace.

[21:56:35]

kayelem:

only it keeps putting the later driver back on reboot... which is... not helpful... :-}

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Anduin:

kayelem: No clue, try their channel.

[21:58:19]

kayelem:

Anyone else found nvidia 7174 doesn't interlace but 6629 does, incidentally?

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rawdlite:

anduin: no entry like "Scheduled X items in Y" in mythbackend.log . In scheduled recordings it says "no recordings scheduled" .

[22:00:11]

rawdlite:

i restart mythbackend and everything is fine again

[22:00:31]

rawdlite:

after a day or so – same thing again

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Anduin:

rawdlite: running 0.19 (not -fixes) and MySQL 5?

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rawdlite:

anduin yes

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Anduin:

rawdlite: No idea what it could be then :)

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AngryElf:

hmm, i guess that was an easy one :(

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rawdlite:

anduin: should i try svn ?

[22:02:02]

Anduin:

rawdlite: Either go to -fixes or set the fancy mysql option (sorry can't remember exactly, it is in the -user archives).

[22:02:38]

rawdlite:

anduin: any keywords i should search for ?

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Anduin:

rawdlite: You should see an error in the backend about the mysql server going away, use that.

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AngryElf:

btw, if anyone's interested, i found out why my native lirc support never worked in either of my mythfrontends......it's cause in ubuntu aliases belong in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases which i didn't know existed – that's all it was :(

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Anduin:

AngryElf: You never tried it manually?

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rawdlite:

anduin: mysql server going did not go away. No entry in the log and i can connect to the database from the commandline.

[22:06:41]

AngryElf:

i didn't think that was the prob......i had the alias in /etc/modprobe.conf.......but ubuntu doesn't check for them there

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Anduin:

rawdlite: Yeah, it is a packet size thing that kills the client connection from myth, not a real mysql server going away thing.

[22:07:34]

rawdlite:

anduin: that makes sense. okay i try the archives. thanks a lot

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Anduin:

rawdlite: You might want to check the channel FAQ (I've never read it, but it may be there).

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rawdlite:

ok will do

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Samsonpwnz:

If I built mythtv with lirc support, what do i need to do to get my remote working? It wont respond to any commands.

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Anduin:

Samsonpwnz: does it work with irw?

[22:14:19]

Samsonpwnz:

yes

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AngryElf:

is it pretty typical that a self-irrecorded remote will work differently at different distances from the ir receiver?

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Anduin:

Samsonpwnz: Make a ~/.mythtv/lircrc file, do it right, and it should work then.

[22:15:24]

Samsonpwnz:

lircrc, and not .lircrc ? that may be my problem

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Anduin:

Samsonpwnz: Yes, not a typo on my part.

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Samsonpwnz:

Anduin: Ok I did that, still doesnt work.

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Anduin:

Samsonpwnz: restarted the frontend?

[22:19:04]

Samsonpwnz:

yes

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Cromz:

Samsonpwnz, check the button names in lircd.conf and that lircrc file, make sure they are the exactly same.

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Anduin:

Samsonpwnz: I have to go be social, that should have done it, check that things match, that perms are right, etc.

[22:19:48]

Samsonpwnz:

Anduin: Ok thanks.

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rawdlite:

ok, i found it : http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 88086#188086

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rawdlite:

it is a mysql 5.0 thing

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rawdlite:

will install 19-fixes then

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AngryElf:

using native-lirc, where do i put config info for xine........i've tried in .mythtv/lircrc but that doesn't seem to be working

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kristok:

i think xine uses ~/.lircrc

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Cromz:

yeah it does.. ~/.lircrc

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kristok:

i have ~/.mythtv/lircrc linked to ~/.lircrc

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Cromz:

you can make a symbolic link to the one in ~/.mythtv/lircrc

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kristok:

so you can have them all in the same spot

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JeffH:

what's a good digital tuner to base a myth box on?

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hashbang:

JeffH: Hauppauge Nova-T PCI works well for me.

[22:44:51]

JeffH:

is it hardware based rather than software based?

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hashbang:

in what way?

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Juski:

JeffH: dvb cards just take mpeg2 out of the air & put it on the pci bus

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JeffH:

encoder/decoder. I don't want a card that is going to put the burdon on my cpu

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hashbang:

JeffH: what Juski said.

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Juski:

so in a sense it's like a HW encoder

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JeffH:

ok

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hashbang:

...just the encoding happens at the broadcaster's end. :-)

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JeffH:

hm.. nothing comes up when I put "Hauppauge Nova-T PCI" into pricewatch.

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hashbang:

JeffH: oh, hang on – terrestrial broadcast, satellite or cable?

[22:50:21]

JeffH:

cable

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hashbang:

try Nova-C

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Juski:

right it's bedtime... night all

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JeffH:

hm.. still doesn't come up with anything.. not even just 'hauppauge nova'

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Deathwish`:

they do exist, I use a Nova-T :E

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JeffH:

what's another site like pricewatch?

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hashbang:

hmmm looks like they only do DVB-T and DVB-S

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hashbang:

sorry for duff info

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JeffH:

this is bizzar..

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defi_:

Has there been any resolution to why the ivtv driver just stops responding?

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JeffH:

why am I not even seeing the card on Hauppauge's website?

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JeffH:

there it is.

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JeffH:

that's not gonna work for me anyway is it since they don't seem to have a 'cable' version.

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JeffH:

hm.. all they show on the home page are 'european' versions.

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Zider:

can mythvideo "queue" or build a playlist somehow?

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hashbang:

Zider: not yet

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Zider:

hashbang: but is being worked on?

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JeffH:

so what's a good digital tuner for use in the US?

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kristok:

My program guide is horribly slow – is this a known issue or is there something wrong with my setup?

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kristok:

it takes well over 15 seconds from the time I select "program guide" to the time it actually shows up

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scopeuk:

whats your hardware where is the program guide data coming from what country are you in?

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kristok:

im in the us, hardware is a geforce4 mx 440, AMD turion64 1800 MHz

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kristok:

so it's plenty fast enough

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scopeuk:

and where is it pulling the chanel guid from xmltv/datadirect or whatever its called/over the air

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kristok:

datadirect

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scopeuk:

hmmmmm i dont rearly know

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kristok:

it got slow around the time i upgraded to 0.19, but i also changed hardware around that time too

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kristok:

so i'm not sure which one it is

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scopeuk:

heh i do that too amaing how many things you can change at once

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achew22:

Hey All!

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achew22:

how are you doing this Easter?

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AngryElf:

isn't there some tool that can restore or add files back into mythconverg?

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fozi:

AngryElf: look in mythtv/contrib

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